In this episode of The Joe Rooz Show, In the first hour Joe introduces his special guest, Mark Motsenbocker, a storyteller and author of "Searching for Father," who shares his journey of overcoming personal loss and finding purpose through giving and mentorship. Mark discusses the impact of losing his parents at a young age and how various mentors shaped his life, emphasizing the importance of giving and living a life of purpose and generosity.
Joe and Mark delve into the themes of connection, the power of giving, and the significance of living intentionally. They explore how personal pain can be transformed into meaningful impact and the role of faith and mentorship in navigating life's challenges. Mark shares anecdotes from his life, highlighting the influence of mentors and the lessons learned from them. The episode also touches on the importance of time management, the value of intentional living, and the impact of small acts of kindness. Joe concludes the episode with reflections on the importance of family, faith, and the legacy of giving.
After a short Break, Joe returns for the second hour and addresses the latest information regarding the Jeffery Epstein filles and the coincidental suspension of six Secret Service agents connected to the attempted assassination of Donald Trump in Butler, PA last year, and took the life of Corey Compretore.
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(00:00:59) Introduction and Housekeeping
(00:02:28) Guest Introduction: Mark Matzenbacher
(00:07:41) Mark's Personal Journey and Book
(00:14:58) Turning Personal Pain into Impact
(00:21:37) Mentors and Life Lessons
(00:33:48) Designing Days to Inspire
(00:38:45) Overcoming Obstacles to Fulfillment
(00:42:23) Generosity and Its Challenges
(00:52:37) Embracing the Gift of Giving
(01:02:45) Quotes and Inspirations
(01:07:47) Thomas Jefferson and American History
(01:12:56) Influential Figures and Mentors
(01:18:47) Show Break and Transition
(01:28:04) Epstein Case and DOJ Controversy
(01:59:19) Secret Service Suspensions and Timing
(02:08:15) Connecting the Dots: Epstein and Secret Service
(02:10:53) Conclusion and Audience Engagement
- Wayne Rankin
- Rosanna Rankin
- Carolina Jimenez
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We'll save the remainder of our promos for a little bit later on. And, but right now, we have in our waiting room, we have, our guest tonight is Mark Matzenbacher. Alright. Try saying that six times fast. Mark Matzenbacher is a storyteller, a seeker, an author. His book, Searching for Father, a powerful journey of loss, growth, and transformation. After losing both parents at a young age, Mark set out to fill the void his father left behind along the way he discovered mentors, life lessons, and everyday heroes who shaped his view of what it means to live a life of purpose and generosity. His story is one of connection, how one gesture, one conversation, one gift of time or energy can change a life.
If you've ever wondered how to turn personal pain into meaningful impact or how to design your days to uplift others without losing yourself, this conversation is gonna be for you. And Mark is right here with us. Let me just shut off that banner. We don't need that thing running right now. Let me introduce Mark Motzenberger to you folks. Welcome aboard, sir. Welcome to the Joe Russo. It's great to have you here.
[00:08:45] Unknown:
Joe, great to be here, and enjoyed some of your podcast. I I I will tell you, the accolades and marvelous reviews speak of your wisdom and the consistency of what you do. Oh, thank you. And, there's I to me, there's no more tremendous character trait than those, and I really believe that. So I'm excited and really honored, wholeheartedly to be here tonight. So thank you so very much. Well, thank you. I mean, you made me turn red here.
[00:09:15] Unknown:
That's great. Well, thank you. I do appreciate that sir. Thank you. And you know, so we were supposed to get together last night. We had a little bit of a scheduling kerfuffle there, but we got all that worked out today, and I'm really glad you were able to get on with us here today. Now, one of one of the things that I like to do before we kinda dive into the the more serious questions, I like to I like to throw a couple little, you know, if you wanna call them icebreakers, we could do that. But, one of my favorites is, what's something most people don't know about you but should?
[00:09:44] Unknown:
Jeez. I don't you know, I would say many people don't know because I don't ride as much, but I have a full dress, Honda Gold Wing that I bought brand new in 1983, and I have over a 100,000 miles on that bike. Nice. Very, very nice. Did some serious riding at one point in time in my life for about six years, that was really all I did. Lived in Southern California, so the weather wasn't too horrific, but,
[00:10:12] Unknown:
took a lot of good trips on that bike. Oh, that's great, man. I've always wanted to ride, you know, I haven't had the opportunity to do that. Every relationship I was in, every time I said I wanted to get a bike, it was, are you crazy? You're gonna kill yourself. Don't do that. Well, you know, if I'm gonna do it, let me do it. You know, what's the problem? It's no big deal. Well,
[00:10:31] Unknown:
the classic to that point was I started off on a scooter, was a little Honda 90. They had them on sale, and, actually, I the only reason I bought it was I could park right next to the classrooms, at college where parking was just at a a print sometimes I drive around for twenty minutes trying to find a spot to get to class. I could ride right up to the classroom, park my bike, and go in. Right? And then I thought, well, I need to get a bigger bike. This is really you know, it's not really it's purposeful, but it's not really fun. And everybody said buy the biggest bike you can buy, and so I bought the biggest bike Honda made. And Nice. Yeah. So Really nice. My wife broke into it pretty easy. You know, she she went from watching me drive away on a scooter to then climbing on the back of a bike saying, wow. This is big. Well, you already bought it, so you shouldn't have much of a choice. That's true. You know, so but that's that's the way guys should be. You know, just just grab on, just take control and say, I'm getting that bike.
[00:11:26] Unknown:
And that's it. Right? Or do we have to defer? Okay. Alright. Listen, I I am tired dude. I I have I have I have done I've been doing shows every night since last Thursday. So it's it's been it's been a long week, and, so I'm looking forward to some quiet time on Saturday. Because we got we got a double header tomorrow, and then, Saturday we're gonna chill. Oh, no. Actually, no. That's not true. Saturday. I have an 11:00 show to do Saturday. I forgot. Okay. Alright. Well, you heard it here first folks. I was gonna announce it tomorrow, but, since I slipped because I'm a little little weary here. But hey, that's alright. So, I I have to ask. I have to ask. Matzenbacher, where does that originate from?
[00:12:13] Unknown:
Yeah. So my my grandfather and his brother, immigrated from Germany in 1897. And, we we think it was anglicized when they came because they actually came through Staten Island, like, you know, you were supposed to do. They're That's what Ellis Island. I'm from
[00:12:27] Unknown:
Island, like, you know, you were supposed to do. They're That's what Ellis Island. I'm from Staten Island originally.
[00:12:32] Unknown:
Well, Ellis Island. Yeah. I guess it is Ellis Island. Right. Yeah. And, and so we think it was anglicized there, but but supposedly, from my grandfather's account, you were Moschenbacher. And he said, you know, historically, the family was the baker of matzo bread. Oh, nice. I've been pulling my leg 20 ways a Sunday. I don't know. But that that was the story. Oh, you never know. I mean, like, my family came to The United States around the same time yours did.
[00:13:01] Unknown:
And and my family came from, from Sicily. Well, one part of my family came from Sicily, one part came from Northern Italy. And, when my father's family came through, his his came from Northern Italy. His their last name wasn't what mine is now. My full last name, you know, my audience knows is Rusciello. And, when my family first came through Ellis Island, it was actually Rusiello, which means red sky. So, and they were fishermen, which it makes sense. The old saying, you know, red sky and fisherman's delight or something like that. So, I'm not much of a fisherman these days, so I I don't remember those things. But, so yeah. So then they anglicized it when they got here. They changed it because it was spelled R U S C I E L O, and then they added they took a c out, they put an s in, they made it work.
[00:13:49] Unknown:
Not not overly definitive on that, but, and not every day, but,
[00:13:53] Unknown:
you know, I don't know why it's just refreshing. Since I've been asking that question, you are the first guest to admit that they drink some type of alcoholic beverage to unwind at the end of the day. Yeah. Sorry. No. Don't be sorry, dude. No. No. I'm just being honest and truthful. That's it. I mean, I'm I'm a bourbon guy, my friend. I love my bourbons. You know, I I have my favorites, and I have my go tos, and every now and then, I like to I like to take something really nice, and just sit out in the backyard, and have, have have a nice drink with a nice cigar, and just relax, and just count the blessings, you know? That's just the way you gotta do it. Enjoy the life.
[00:14:34] Unknown:
That's, that's a living the dream moment. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. My my kids asked me what that means. They kept saying, what does that mean dad? I said
[00:14:44] Unknown:
I said, well, it cannot, will not, and could not get any better. And if it does, don't wake me up. I'm enjoying the dream too much. Hey, man. I like that. That's really good, man. I like that. I'm gonna I'm gonna remember that one. I gotta yeah. I'm gonna clip that part. I'm gonna save it, so I can get it. Alright. So let me ask you this. So in, in in searching for father, you open up about the loss of both your parents at a very young age. And what made you decide to to turn that particular deeply personal journey into something that you would wanna share with the world?
[00:15:18] Unknown:
You know, it's it's probably a combination of a couple things. One is, I could tell people today that I lost both my parents at eight, and and people get very they they have a hard time wrapping their head around that. Mhmm. Right? And to be quite honest, I did. There were five siblings. I had a brother that was ten years older than me, a brother that was, eight years older than me, a brother that was five years older than me. I was eight years old, and my sister was three. Okay. And so we were we were literally on the front of newspapers all across the world. We had people send us money from Europe, from Asia, from South America, from Canada. They felt sorry for us. Right? I mean, my dad was a pastor, and he he really left us nothing.
The 1957 Chrysler was the only thing he really owned, the car. The car that they were in was totaled, so we didn't get that. You know? I mean, we got some money for that, but at that point in time, that was the minimalist, to be quite honest. So so it's it's a lot of people have a hard time reflecting on on that process. And and my thought process really around that was, how do I tell people that things can happen to you that, good can come out of? Right? Right. I I I'm I'm I'm a big believer in quotes. My kids can tell you half a dozen quotes that dad said over and over and over again. But but, you know, I I kinda grew up with the understanding that, life is neither good or bad, but thinking makes it so.
You have a choice every day in life, whether it's a good thing or it's a bad thing. I can tell you from personal experience, it's much life life is much better when you think good than when you think bad because bad just, kinda freaks out your psyche, to be quite honest. I think it was, Marcus Aurelius said, the things you think about determine the quality of your mind. And and for me, that becomes a that's an important thing. Right? Because as I think is how my life goes. And so, I I yeah. So that that's one piece of it. I wanted to help people understand, you know, your darkest nightmare can still be a great morning the next day. Yeah.
And and that's easier said than done. I I get it, but but that's that's part of the reason. I wanted people to see that there's hope when you walk through this thing called life even in and amongst things that you can't explain, because I can't explain it. I, you know, I can't. Why were they taken from me? And that's such a And how old were you when when your parents passed? I was eight years old, and and we got no counseling. My mother's mother is 64 and widowed. That grandfather had passed away before I was born, and she took all five kids, and convinced a judge in court. They were saying, you know, you're a nice lady, but, you know, 64, and nobody else to support you and help you. And she said, this is what God wants me to do. I know that this is what God wants me to do. So and so that that that was it. And and we didn't get any counseling.
Nobody came and sat with us and said, you know, how are you feeling? And, you know, here's some things to think about as you work through the process of overcoming this. So so that that was that's a part of why I wrote the book. The other part is I really wanted to pay a tribute to all the men who had touched me, and, and they they all touched me in just what I could say is miraculous ways for no apparent reason. They just saw a need in my life and said, I will let me help. Yeah. And I was more than receptive. I was more than willing. I needed somebody to give me affirmation. I needed to some have somebody like coach coach Holland, junior high PE coach. I need that I needed to have him say he was proud of me. You don't know what that means.
[00:19:16] Unknown:
Well, sure. I mean, you you you lose your you lose your dad at at such a young age, you know, you you you do need that father figure in your life, and I think that's part of a lot of the problems that we have in in our in our social structure today is that the dad's really not around in a lot of circumstances. And so a lot of kids lose that. And, so, of course, it was it's natural that you would seek that out. It's natural that you would want that.
[00:19:40] Unknown:
Yeah. And and and and it, you know, it it was a series of blessings, unsuspected, really, I wasn't really much of a seeker. I'm more of a giver type person. That's the way my grandmother was, and that's what I became. And I and I do I do believe that if you wanna put meaning into your life, give meaning to your giving. That's awesome. Make it make it something of value. Right? You know, I wake up in the morning, I'm very purposeful about my day, and I'm looking for opportunities to give. Right? Somebody has a flat tire and and I've got the time, I'll pull over and help them change the flat tire. Sure. You know? Just those are little things in life that you think, what does that mean? But, but they do mean something. Well, those
[00:20:26] Unknown:
those random acts of kindness that that you do. I mean, you don't know really exactly how that impacts the person that you're helping out. I mean, yeah, of course, you're getting something out of it. You're getting that that feeling of of of of providing for a need. You're you're getting that feeling of, I don't wanna say accomplishment, but, you're getting that satisfaction of knowing that you helped somebody, you know, have somewhat of a better day. It taking the example of the flat tire, I mean, that that that's enough to send anybody off off the edge, you know, for for part of the day at least, and to be able to help somebody out and do that. And then on the other hand of it, you don't know what that person that you're helping out, whatever that random act of kindness is that you do, you don't know what that person is dealing with at that particular moment. That person could be contemplating, you know, this might be the last thing I do before I take my life.
And that simple thing that you do to help them, you know, gives them that little bit of hope that there that there's something worth holding on to. You know, so that that's that's that's that's what that's what giving is all about. That's what and then that's a lot of what, you know, Christianity is all about also. I mean, it's it's giving of yourself. It's giving without expecting anything in return. Exactly. That's that's the whole definition of charity. You know, people think charity love the same thing, it's not the same thing. Because a lot of the new a lot of the modern bibles, you know, they I'm I'm a King James guy. I love my King James, and, you know, I think the King James is very specific on very specific words, and we shouldn't go around messing with them. But that's the difference between charity and love. They're two different things.
You know? Charity is is is giving without any without expecting anything in return. Loving without expecting anything in return. And love is love. Love is brotherly love, familial love, emotional love. So, yeah, I mean, that's that's that's amazing. That's amazing. So this journey that you that you're on led you to discover father figures, like you said, mentors, unexpected places. What were some of those defining moments or relationships? And if you wanna talk about something like that.
[00:22:27] Unknown:
So, you know, interesting, my father's best friend, We ended up buying a home about three blocks away from him. His name was John Hager, but he actually became uncle John and Anna Lame. They they weren't family, but Oh, we've we've had those. Tend to call them when I came over. You know? You can call me uncle John for a moment. European thing, because because we did the same thing in my family, Italian family. We had people that were just close to the family that we called
[00:22:53] Unknown:
aunts and uncles, but they had no cousins. They had they had no relation to us whatsoever. But, yeah, I know. I understand.
[00:22:59] Unknown:
So uncle John was a Finnish carpenter and, just a a fantastic man, and, he had a fairly nice work workshop in his two car garage. And, so I, from an early age, would ride over, and we would talk, and, he he showed me everything. He invested a lot of time into me. He talked to me a little bit about my faith and how important that was. And, I think probably maybe the biggest thing there's a couple of things he did early on in life that were really instrumental, but he said never mistake choices for just, oh, well. Always make choices that are, good. You know, good choices, great choices, excellent choices. And so I think he kept me out of a lot of trouble in that sense. I was a pretty straightforward kid and I didn't really do anything wrong, so to speak. My brothers, on the other hand, gave my grandma some grief and I did not wanna give that to my grandma. I saw what that did and I thought, okay, we'll just cut cut to the chase, and I'll just be a good kid. And I was. So but uncle John really helped me, and I became a giver. In junior high, I was awarded the, Rotary Club, Service Above Self Award.
And, because the the vice principal there at school said, hey. Why don't you come and help us do this and help us do this? And I and I kinda went with the flow and and helped. And when I came home with that, I took it over to show it to uncle John because it was a plaque, and he goes, this is great. You need to come speak at my men's group Nice. And share what God did with you, your gifts and your talents and your giving. Right? So I I would say he had a big impact. And then there were a couple of neighbors, that did. But then, you know, coach Holland in junior high, I was a skinny kid. I mean, I'm I'm I'm telling you, stick and bone. There was there was no muscle on me at all. And so I would show up for PE class, and I would always have to get picked, but I would be the last guy picked, and I never got to play. Right? You know? I say, can I go in? No. No. Wait. Wait. We're we're gonna win if we if we just let us finish. And and and once we're ahead, then you can get you know, you're like, okay. Whatever. Anyway, one day he walks it, walks up to the class, and he he gets everybody set up. And he taps me on the shoulder, and he says, I want you to come with me. And I said, okay. So I follow him. We walk out in the field.
He's brought some golf clubs, and, he's got a bucket. He dumps some golf balls out. He shows me how to hit a ball and says, go ahead practice. Let me see what you're gonna do here. And he corrected a few things on my stance. Anyway, he says, okay. I'm gonna leave you. So you get to stay out here all day or all the whole rest of the period. And he says, you can just take golf balls. Just chase them around the field out here and just have a good time. Nice. I'll come back and see you before the end of the day. So that formulated in almost a daily ritual. I would go to his office, I'd get the clubs, I'd get the balls, I'd go out there. And, he'd come out and he'd put, he would just take a jump rope. There were these big jump ropes. He'd lay them out there and he'd say, see how many you can hit over that? Then he'd move them over here, see how many you can hit over that.
Anyway, at the end of that semester was the end of the school year, this was my seventh grade year, and he he, had the vice principal call me out of class. And when I went to the vice principal's office, I'm thinking, jeez, what did I do? I didn't do anything wrong, I didn't say anything wrong to anybody, I don't know. You're just nervous, right? Right. Anyway, I walk in there and there's him and Mr. Holland, and Mr. Holland says, Look, I wanted Mr. Symonek and I to share something with you, we got you some clubs to take home. Oh, okay. And he says, I'm gonna set you up with a little golf course not too far from your house, and they're gonna help you. And so, you know, what can I say? I mean, I was overwhelmed, I was overwhelmed. And when I came back at the end of summer, he took me out on the field and he said, show me what you can do, and I hit balls, and he said something to the thing, You've done very, very well, and I am so proud of you son. Wow. And I was, I don't know, I was just overwhelmed by the moment, right?
That kinda hit you though, right? Yeah. Yeah, nobody had said that to me before, right? My grandmother loved me dearly and cared for me dearly. But, yeah. And so he, yeah, he just he met a need, and he said, the reason you're doing so well is because you practice and you're determined. And those two words became etched in my mind, and I I came to the conclusion, like, practice doesn't make perfect, only god is perfect, but practice does make permanent. My kids heard me say that many, many times. And then it takes determination then if you wanna be a person that has that permanent. So I'm so I'm you know, giving for me is more than just an act.
So so I would say we are what we repeatedly do. Mhmm. So excellence or goodness is not an act. It's a habit. And so our our relationship in the Christian world is to be what god designed us to be. Now if you really want my deep thoughts on this, I'll I'll I'll just share with you real quick. Yeah. Please. Yeah. Go ahead. You you go to Genesis and you begin to extrapolate Genesis, and God creates everything in the universe for us. And you know what is common denominator for everything in the universe? They all give. The waters and the rivers, the streams, the lakes, the snow, they don't drink their own water.
The the vegetation of the world that produces fruits and vegetables, they don't consume what they produce. The flowers don't suck in all the aroma and take it in for their glory. The sun and the moon come out to give us light, you know, and none of those things have any choice. They're all giving. Wow. And so we, as human beings, are built in the design and image of God, in the likeness and creation of God. And and Jesus says the profound statement, for God so loved that he gave. That the core premise, I believe, for every human being in the world is to give. And if we all gave if we all gave everything whenever we had to or whenever the opportunity arise, then then I believe we would be purposeful in what we do because you make your life meaningful by applying the meaning of giving.
Oh, that's interesting. And to me, that that's profound. That's just profound. You know, as Susan b Anthony said, the older I get, the greater power I seem to have to help the world. I'm kinda like a snowball. The further I enrolled along, the more I gain. And and so those kind of notions just grab me by storm. Right? And and they it becomes me. It becomes a part of me. And I begin to think, that's it. That's really what I wanna be a giant snowball when my life is over. Right? I wanna be the image of people saying, he did everything he could for others. And and I've had I've I've had bosses who say you're just too good to people.
And they said, how does that not work? Right? I mean, I believe the more high-tech our world becomes, the more high touch our our world needs. It's it's the inverse. Right? It's one of those paradoxical things. Right? This is this is knowledge, this is learning, this is opportunity, this is this is AI is blowing the, you know, world apart, and I'm reading all that stuff trying to stay ahead of it and thinking about it and understanding it. But at the end of the day, assets make things possible, people make things happen. It's it's it's really humanity.
So I I'm
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I'm deep deep in the weeds here maybe on you guys. No. That's great. No. I I you know, because you said something very interesting. Now I, you know, I I I've been I've been I got saved February, so I've been saved almost twenty five years now. I I've I've gone to bible school. I've sat under a lot of teaching, some great teachers. I I served as an associate pastor of a church. You know, I've done street preaching, taught bible studies. I did a bible study podcast for many, many for about three years, many, many episodes over three years, Sunday school teacher, all that stuff. And you said something about the act of creation as being a giving act, and I never saw it that way.
I never picked up on that, and that is absolutely fascinating. I made a note of it because I am going to study this out, and I think I might try to steal it from you and, and and do a little bit of a bible study out of that at some point. It's not mine. Trust me. I
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I I so I I do a men's bible study once a month at my church. Nice. We spent thirty seven months doing Proverbs.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. Easily. Easily. Everything We're now on Genesis,
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and and so I'm in chapter chapter seven next month, but that's eleven months in Genesis. So so I I got
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if you want them, I'll send them to you. I got I appreciate it. Yeah. I'd love to hear. 37 pages of notes on Genesis one through six. Oh, I'd love to see them. Yeah. That'd be great. I'd appreciate that. Just Yeah. See, right now, on on my Sunday show, I'm teaching, well, I just I started really three weeks ago on this one, but, sort of laying the foundation for this, talking about America's Christian heritage.
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Mhmm. And,
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I started out with talking about, how the Bible is actually a very political book, if you really look at it. Absolutely. Because really what the whole book's about is about who's gonna who's gonna rule who. And, I know it's not proper English, but, you know, you know what I'm saying? So Gotcha. So it so and then I went from that, I went to, a message that I called the Christians Bill of Rights, and where are they, how many are there, and, kind of explain those. And then this past Sunday, I started with America's Christian heritage. So, so I I don't know why I'm telling you all this. I completely lost the idea of why I'm telling you this. But, but I I I about bible studies, I mean, there's so much in the bible that that people don't catch, and, I love it when somebody brings something forward that, you know, after all the studying and that I've done myself, I mean, I the the the the more I study the word of God, the more I realized how much I don't know the word of God. Absolutely. You know? And Absolutely. I know that's maybe a cliche saying, but there's nothing more true than that. And, so so I appreciate that. That would be great. I would love to take a look at those.
Sure. So, you speak about designing your data to inspire. Right? What does that look like practically for you? Especially, you know, when when life kinda gets really, like, busy and overwhelming and you're just tired at the end of the day, how does that look practically for you?
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Yeah. So, you know, my morning starts in prayer, and that's my opportunity to hold people up that I love and care about and, and then to, you know, really prepare myself for what god may bring my way. And, you know, the fact of, well, here's a quote that I do love. I really love this quote. Live as if to build as if to last a thousand years. So everything you do should have longevity to it. Yes. In my mind, it should be eternal. Mhmm. Right? But live as if to die tomorrow. So you have to do today with such urgency that and and I feel this way to some degree because I lost my parents that way. Sure.
It was just like that. It wasn't expected. It wasn't planned. There was nothing to prepare me for that. It just happened. So so I I I the premise there is I wanna be where god wants me to do what he wants me to do, provides that opportunity. So I I I kinda have to be on the outlook. So, you you know, we'll take I walk. I walk every week. I walk 35, 40 miles every week. Wow. That's good. And and so I'm walking by a girl, and she's trying to change a flat tire, and she's actually tightening the bolts. Right? So I stop and I say, excuse me. I don't mean to interrupt you, but I said, it it the bolt will not come off that way. You need to do the other way. She goes, yeah. I said, yeah. It's right. If you wanna take it off, it's to the right. If you wanna put it on, it's to the left.
And so, right for off, left for on. Right? So, and she's and she's looking at me like, are you kidding me? Right? So I I walked over and I showed her. I said, look. Here. And I said, boy, you put this one tie tighter than I thought. Right? And then I popped it loose and I started spinning off. And then I said the next one, and she goes and then I said the next one, and she's and and I said, you know, I can help you change the tire if that's what she wants. She goes, no, no, no. My boyfriend's on the way, and I I don't wanna call him now and tell him he doesn't have to come. I said, oh, okay. So Protecting the ego. I loosened them all up, and I said, so when he gets here, at least, you know, you'll Protecting the ego. They'll loosen them all up. And I said, so when he gets here, at least, you know, you'll say, see, I knew it was right off. There you go. That's gone. Right. Right. So whatever. And and, but but so we had a a brief conversation and, I said, you know, flat tires are a bummer. And she goes, yeah. Yeah. Actually not. I wasn't I didn't know if I was gonna see my boyfriend today, and so I'm gonna see him. And I said, well, you know, God works in mysterious ways, so take that one as a gift from God. And we you know, we said hi, and she said thanks again, and I walked away. Right? It's a great witnessing opportunity, sir. Yeah. It it you know, it's not I could have walked right by her and just thought, glad I'm not in that position. Right? Sure. But when I saw her tighten in the thing, I was like, oh my word. She's never gonna go anywhere. She could be there all day, and it's just gonna be worse. Right?
So, so I I think there's opportunities like that. And and then, you know, I I do some mentoring, so I have some people that I meet with pretty consistently. I try and stay in touch with a core group of people, so I I have lunch or breakfast every week with somebody typically. The last gentleman in the book, he's a lawyer, he's still practicing. He's just, he's an absolutely amazing guy. And we get together for lunch once a month. And so That's nice. Those are those are and I don't know. We don't really talk faith much. We talk about a lot of stuff. We don't really talk faith. But but he's had problems with an Achilles heel, and I've told him I'm praying. And he goes, thanks. I who couldn't use prayer? I said, oh, we can all use prayer. Right? Oh, sure.
So so it's kind of like that, to be honest with you. I have I have four kids. They all live, Denver, Dallas, and, two of them live in Virginia still Okay. Because I moved around in my career. So I I, you know, I go to help my kids. I'm leaving this Saturday to spend four days with my son to fix his garage and make it more manageable. And leaving that and coming home for a couple days and changing out my suitcase, and then I'm a week with my daughter in Virginia because they just bought a chicken farm, and she's moving on to a chicken farm, so I'm gonna come out and put boots on and drop her on the chicken. I don't know. I don't know exactly what I'm gonna be doing when I'm there, but she's asked me to help. So Well, you'll be doing something. That's that's the that's the main thing. You're there to help. You're gonna you're gonna let you know. I'll be giving. I'll be giving. So And something something you said about prayers, like, one of the things that when when people say that they're gonna pray for me, I usually say thank you. I need all the help I can get.
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Absolutely. You know? Absolutely. And it's true. You you really do need prayer. Prayer prayer is very very important in your life. So what what are some common fears or obstacles that prevent people from living life to the fullest? And how does your message in particular help people move beyond that?
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You know, I I think we become too busy. And and and I'm not saying busy is a bad thing. Mhmm. I just think we become busy not purposefully doing this and purposely doing that and purposely doing this. Yeah. And so, I was mentoring a young man from the master's program at Biola University, and, I we had to talk in about you know, he asked me some questions, very thought provoking. He's got a dad, but I think, you know, he was here's an outsider. Here's a guy who's done life pretty well. He's got great kids. He's got and we have 11 grandkids, six and under. So I don't know what happened with my kids, but all of a sudden, they all just started kids, kids, kids, kids, kids, boy, girl, boy, girl, boy, girl, six, six boys and and five girls. But but I said to him at one point in time, I said, so, you know, in my thinking, the most important commodity we all have, it's the most valuable thing. Love is good. All these things are good, but time.
Time is the one thing that you experience as you walk through this earth, and you get one shot to do it. That's it. You can't go back. You can't redo it. You can't save it up and say, well, I'll save all this time up, and then I'll do that for this day, or I'll do that at this point in time. It's a one shot deal. Then they said, so you need to think about what you do with all your time. Where do you spend your time? What does that look like? And is that and I told him flat out, is that honoring to God? So I we meet ten days later.
First thing he sits down and says, so I I I wiped out, like, four apps where I was just scrolling and scrolling and scrolling. He says, and I can't believe how much time I was spending. I said, well, you know, my phone tells me how much time I do that Yeah. Every week. They can kinda monitor that from my phone. And if I think it's going south, I just same thing. I just flip some stuff off. I just say, well, I'm not doing that anymore. I'm not doing that anymore. You know? Because it's all just busy work. So so I I think to be a person that has the opportunity to be giving, you really need to think about where you're spending your time.
Right? And and and I do think Marcus Aurelius is right. What what goes into our mind is who we become. Right? So garbage in, garbage out. Mhmm. Busy in, busy out. Purposeful in, purposeful out. Right? So it's a it's a it's a process, and that's why I am a big I am a fanatic about habits. Right? When we take a vacation, I go to the gym. My wife's like, we're on vacation. I said, I know. But one day without the gym is not a big deal. Two days without the gym is a big deal. Three days without the gym is a habit. And now I'm changing the habit. Right. Yeah. I'm I'm I'm just altering something that
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that shouldn't be altered. I gotta give you credit for that one, though, because I I if I'm on vacation, man, I'm not looking to do anything.
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Yeah. Well That's
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but that's You know, but but but in my mind, habits breed habits. So when I begin to get really serious about working out, I begin to change my diet, I begin to change some sleep habits, I begin to change some not as much alcohol, not that I was prolific with alcohol, but I begin to say, I'll go two weeks without alcohol just to see, you know, how much difference there is on that. So those are just habits that you're changing, not good or bad sometimes. Right? Mhmm. But but habits do breed habits.
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That's a good that's a great point. That really is a great point. The habits I'm gonna gotta write that down. Habits breed habits. So let me ask you this. What happens because because giving is is central to your message. Right? So what happens when generosity isn't reciprocated or or it's perceived to to not be appreciated?
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So the same thing that happens with God. Jesus gave, God gave, Jesus gave his life, and some people are never gonna they're you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make a drink. That's right. Yeah. So some people are not gonna and they're not gonna be reciprocal, and that's okay. Now I do think there is a guidance of of wisdom, there is a guidance from the holy spirit that says you need to be prudent about what you do. God gives you so much time, and he wants you to use that in a godly way for godly purposes. Right? Mhmm. So, you know, you don't want somebody to take advantage of you over and over and over again. So then that that's just gonna require the difficult discussion for some people of, I'm more than willing to help you, but I'm not gonna do everything for you. Mhmm. And I I can give you a prime example. I have a brother, the one just older than me. My parents' death wrecked his world more than anybody else. He believes that today, at 72, 73 years old, he believes today, everybody's been out to get him in life. Everybody. Wow. Everybody. And he's just got he's sideways on that from my perspective.
Right? But I used to help him financially. Why? Because he lived beyond his means. He just he would spend more than he made, and and and I'm not that way. And my wife's definitely not that way. Right? But she was supportive and said, yeah. Okay. I agree. Let's give him this. Let's help him here. Let's help him here. And then there was just a time when I said, I'm not doing it anymore. Yeah. I want you to know this is the last buck I'm gonna give you. And in the future, don't embarrass me by asking me. Don't insult me by going around me and asking my wife because, you know, she's probably even kinder than I am. But I've been generous enough, and now it stops.
Now it stops. And so he knows not to ask me for money anymore. He'll call and whine with me about, this is tight and I got this and I'm doing that and I'm doing that and I, you know, and I say, you know, discipline is all what it's all about, man. And I said, so your habits and and he's a gambler. Right? And I said, you wanna do that, It's your life. I'm not here to judge you. God's gonna do that at some point in time. Someday you're gonna stand before him and you're gonna have to say, well, you know, everybody was against me and God's gonna say, no. What did you do? What did you do? Right. So it's not everybody else. Yeah. Yeah. So it you know, so I do think there's prudence about that, but I you know, Jesus says pretty not pretty. Very emphatically says, greatest in the kingdom, the servant of all. And he says in one other place, greatest in the kingdom is a slave. Mhmm. Well, let me tell you something. There is nothing coming back to a slave. You're lucky to be alive. I'm putting food in your mouth. I'm keeping you clothed. I'll keep you alive because I'm gonna use you, but that's all I'm gonna do is use you.
So that's a little bit about if I went to the deepest, deepest toll with you, I would say at the end, God's gonna honor what you do. Absolutely. Whether you're taking advantage of or not, Absolutely.
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That. So I'm trying to I'm trying to remember the because I don't have I don't have my bible in front of me. Usually, I have it nearby. What's what is the verse in Luke? Was it give it shall be given unto you, press down. I I can't remember the exact verse. I'm it's gonna kill me now. I'm gonna have to look at it later. And I'm gonna have to come on the show tomorrow and read it to make sure I get everybody right. But, but the whole point of the verse is the fact that, you know, if you're gonna give and you're gonna do these things, it's gonna come back to you tenfold. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, for whatever measure you you met with all, it'll be returned unto you. So, so it yeah. I I understand exactly where you're going with that. And, yeah, I've I've I've come across certain circumstances in my life too. Like, in my younger days, my dad took a very similar approach to you. My dad was always there willing to help and, you know, whatever it was.
And, you know, there was just one day I was and I wasn't looking. I wasn't asking for help or anything like that. I just went to him and say, hey, dad. So and I I said, what do you think about I said, I'm having this this this this this problem. I'm not sure exactly what to do. He goes, Joseph, I can't help you. The ATM is closed. Was, I wasn't asking for anything. I was just asking for your advice for crying out loud, you know. He goes, really? I was like, yes. That's it. I just wanted your advice. So, my my my dad didn't get saved until, three days before he passed away.
Oh, praise the lord. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. I I he he was we we knew he was he was he was dying and, he was in the hospital. And I had witnessed to him so many times, and my dad always would say, Joseph, you forget I I know you. And I'm like, yeah, I know, but you know that Joseph, you don't know this one. And he was like, you're the same person, you just put you just put a fresh change of clothes on, that's all. I was like, okay. So I called, so I called a pastor friend of mine, and, he went and he shared the gospel with him and my dad got saved, and and that was a blessing, and then passed away three days later. But I find myself thinking back over those conversations that I had with my dad, and and he had so much wisdom. You know, even even as an unsaved man, he had such godly wisdom. I don't think he even realized some of the things, some of the very very scriptural pieces of advice that he gave me that since he's been gone, I go back to and I say, well, you know that was that's right there that says Luke chapter six. That's that's that's Proverbs 13. That's Proverbs that's Proverbs 15.
You know? And he had no clue and, you know, it it it it it's amazing. And now I have a son who is 25, and Lord willing, he'll make it to 26 if I don't if I don't correct that. But but, he's a great kid. I'm I'm super proud of him. He's he's overcome so many things in his life, in his short life as it is. And, he's he's doing really well for some very proud of him. But I find myself giving him that advice that my dad gave me. Like, he'll call me his dad. His dad, you know, because he has a very deep voice, deeper than mine. He's like, duh, you know, I don't know about this. Alright. First of all, you're not Sylvester Stallone, so get the marbles out of your mouth. Alright. That's number one.
And number two, I said, I I Matt, his name is Matt. I I can't, you know, you gotta figure this out for yourself, dude. I got I've helped you so much. So I'm like, I'm not asking you for anything, dad. And it's just the same exact conversation that I remember having with my dad at some point in my life. And, you know, that's a blessing though to be able to part that kind of advice and counsel onto your kids and and to and and and onto your other other family members as well like you did. And that's that's important. It's important and and what you don't really don't understand either is well, did you mention I don't know if you mentioned it. Was he was he a Christian? Did he get saved? Or or the the the one you tell the the story you're telling?
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I'm thinking about
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I'm I was kind of sucked into your Oh, okay. So so I was so I was put I was putting you to sleep, basically. Okay. That's fine. No. No. No. No. No. No. I was listening very gently. I I No. No. No. I'm kidding. But, the person that you were talking about in your story, in in the story you were saying was now did they get saved? Were they Christians or did they get saved? Or were they not So
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if you're talking about the coach, coach Holland,
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or was it after that? After that. The the one that you said that you couldn't help anymore.
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Oh, no. No. That's my brother. Your brother. No. No. My brother believes he's saved. So, yeah. No. No. No. He he believes he's saved. Okay. And he believes that god is gonna open his eyes, and he will. But, so, you know, I don't again, he he knows I don't, you know, I I I don't judge him. Right? He he said, but you know I've given the best I can give. And I said, I I yeah. I've heard everything you've said, and I know where you've been and what you've done. And but I said, god knows your heart. So I said, you know Sure. It's, so I did did he make a profession before my father died? Yes. I'm sure he did that. I did that before my father died. So, so I'm sure he did that. But, and and all my brothers are, you know, they they are who they are. And Right. You know, it it it I can tell all my brothers I love them. I stay in contact with my whole family.
That's not true between siblings. Right? I got two that haven't talked in twenty two years or something. And and then I got another one now who hasn't talked to one in four years, and and, you know, but I don't counsel them on that because I I I think, you know, it, I don't I don't wanna preach to them, I guess, is the best way to say it. I I can tell you, you're wrong, go go be what you need to be, say you're sorry, get things right, square it up, you know, but That's good. Yeah. It it's tough. It's tough. We the death of my parents affected us all differently. That's That's all I can tell. Well, yeah, but everybody's different. So, like,
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when when my parents passed away, my my dad passed away, then, two years later my mom passed away. You know, it affected the my sister, and it was just me and my sister. You know, it affected it affected us both very differently. Different circumstances. My my sister still lives up in New York, and, you know, she was still taking care of mom and dad, you know, and she was the one that was there. I was down here. So so she had a different view of the whole process, and so she, of course, handles it a lot differently. Right.
I don't wanna say I felt kinda detached from it because I I I love my parents and I miss them incredibly. As a matter of fact, July 8, just two days ago is, the second anniversary of my mom passing. So, you know, that was a very tough day for for the both of us and, you know, we took some time together to talk and and to kinda counsel each other and console each other through it. And it's very important, you know, you have that relationship with your family and to keep them close to you. It's it's it's it's so important, especially in those things, and it does affect everybody different. I see how it affects my sister and it affects me somewhat differently as well. But, that's that's no truer statement could be made. Now in in in practical everyday terms, what does it mean to embrace the gift of giving? And how can someone stuck in routine begin?
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So I I really think it's considering every moment in your day, and, you know, at the I I did HR for about thirty years of my career. Right? So Something told me that. Hug people. I couldn't with a clear conscience, I couldn't hug anybody because it just takes one person to say, I thought there was an affectionate rub there. No. No. It was just a hug. Right? You know? So I didn't hug women, and and I I was very cautious. I I know some very funny jokes. I couldn't tell any of those jokes because somebody would take offense to some portion of that joke Yeah. Somehow, someway. But but I think the reality is you said it earlier, and I think it was a very, very valid point.
One, everybody's different, but everybody goes through things differently. Mhmm. And and so you may do something wrong at work, And how can I give to you when I've gotta sit you down and tell you you did something wrong? So I'll tell you how you can give. First question I usually ask people is how are you doing? How are things at home? Mhmm. How are you feeling? And there's always a whole series of questions to try and delve into the world and say, what am I not seeing? What do I not know that or see I can then give and help support them because of that. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah. You know, I saw I I and I had issues. You know, I had somebody that was a stellar stellar employee, and all of a sudden, they started showing up late. And I was a stickler I found out early in my career that if you just monitor three or four things very, very conscientiously all the time, nobody really messes around with you as a boss because they think he watches everything. Right. He knows everything. Right? So so time and attendance, I was a thing. You know? And I brought her into my office, and I said, you know, you gotta be here on time. She says, I know. I know. And you you how often have I been late? I said, not many times, but it can't keep happening. This is the second time. This is why we're talking. She goes, I know. I know. I know.
Said, you know, usually three strikes and you're out is in my book. I do not wanna have that connection with you. Mhmm. And so she just sat there, and she looked at the floor. And I finally said, you know, if you wanna share something with me, it'll stay right here. If you don't, I totally understand. But make no mistake about this conversation. You can't be late again. I'm gonna suspend you. And and I don't know where that's gonna go. And I and I was shocked. Right? Because I'm thinking, oh, jeez. Poke the bear. Yeah. The bee's nest is stirring. And she proceeds to tell me that her mother's dying of cancer, and her sister can't deal with it anymore. And so she's having to do everything. Take her her dad's despondent. He's trying to figure out how this works, and what does this mean.
And and I said, you know, Nancy, I needed to know that because let's let's let's arrange for you to do a different schedule. Let me help you with that. So I'm giving now, sharing. Let me do and and so I alter her schedule. Everything was got better, but then her mom got worse. And then I said, you know, Nancy, let me share this with a few people. I know that that's a risk for you and who you are and what you stand for because you're you're the kind of person that always wants to be good, and right, and stellar. And I ended up having several women that said, I'll work her shift.
I'll come in and cover for her, and you pay her. I don't want the money. Oh, wow.
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That's That's unusual.
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That's unusual. Yes. She is she is I worked with her for a couple more years, and then we parted ways career wise. I've stayed in touch with her. She knows how much I love her in that sense, right, of just wanting so so those are the kind of things, but I think you need to be kind of intentional about that. In in other words, it's kinda part in your mind. Where do where can I give today? What does that mean? What does that look like? And and it changes. Right? I mean, the the thing about life is it changes, but there's certain things there's certain things that have to be constant within us.
There's certain things that have to be so truth is always truth. Mhmm. You can't change truth. That's right. And I've gotta live to the truth, and I've gotta represent the truth. And and when I do that well, life is good. Right? Yeah. Jesus said the truth will set you free. You know? You're not you're not burdened. You're not bound down. You're not trying to figure out now how do I tell another lie to cover up for the last lie that from the lie before to the lie that, you know, it just it yeah. And and living a deceitful life doesn't work either. So Sure. So it's really about thinking conscientiously
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about where's my opportunity to give today? What does that look like? Yeah. Living a deceitful life reminds me that verse of scripture that says, you know, surely your sin will find you out. Oh, yeah. And it it really is true. It it absolutely is.
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It that I think the funniest the funniest example I can give you real quick on this one, I lived in a neighborhood in New Jersey, and all the homes were set 75 yards from the street. Beautiful neighborhood. I'm just telling you. It was absolutely gorgeous. And, you have to shovel that one time, and you think, that guy was a nut that put the house at 75 yards from the street. That's a ton of shoveling. Right? But Yeah. But but I came home one night, from work, and we had to wheel our trash cans down to the street where they picked them up. Right? And they knew the guy across the street was out of town for the week, and her trash barrels were out there. So I took her trash barrels in. I got out of my car and took her trash. I came back and I was walking towards my house, and I noticed that something down at the end of the street were out. And I thought, oh, shoot. I should take theirs back too. Let's let's do it all. Right? No. You know? And I come in, like, fifteen minutes later. My wife was like, I saw you pulling the driveway. What are you doing? I'm like, well, I took everybody's trash cans in. Right? She goes, what? I said, well, you know, Janice's husband's gone, and, you know, she doesn't need to go out here. It's winter. Right? So, anyway, I I I started making that a habit, taking everybody's trash cans. Well, Christmas comes up, and there's a Christmas get together for a street, and and everybody's walking around saying, hey. Who's taking up the trash can? You know, who's we're we're on a cul de sac, so there's only six holes. Right? It's not like it's an undue burden. Right? It's a long walk, though. You know? I probably did, like, 600 yards doing everybody's, you know, like 75 yards a clip. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. So, so anyway and I I just kinda played yeah.
I I don't know. Who would do that? Right? You know? And, the trash can. Somebody saw me a few weeks later. Somebody I don't know. Maybe they were sitting out there, you know, looking for me. I don't know. Anyway I'm gonna find out who that is. Yeah. It's the February, and I have three cards in my mailbox. And each one of them is a thank you card from a neighbor, and there's a gift card in there. Oh, that's sweet. And I'm thinking, look. That's not why I did this, folks. Right? You you're totally kinda destroying the whole point. Right? You know? So but but those are the kind of things where you're giving.
It's taking my time and effort and energy. And and that that really was prompted more from love your neighbor as yourself. I was really kinda working through that whole, what does that mean? What what does that look like? Sure. And how do I share that? Right? And that was seemingly a simple way to do it. But, yeah, I was the the you know, from that point forward until we moved. Hey. Hey. It's the trash guy. What's up? He says, you know, you've made life miserable for me because my wife's told me a couple times, Mark must not be home this week. You need to go turn their trash cans in. Right? So it's one of those things. Right? Sure. Those random acts of kindness have have have those benefits, you know. Yeah. But but and and you and when you say that, I want you to think about they're not random. It's purposeful. Right? True. It's it's not I'm I'm not forking $5 to a guy that I'll never see again.
If I'm gonna stop and help a guy I so I did for a while. I did I've I've done it lifelong, but I used to go and buy $10 gift cards at McDonald's. So if a guy was panhandling for money, I'd hand him a gift card and say, here, go to McDonald's and get a good meal. Right? I don't know if that's a good meal. You know? My one of my buddies tried at me and says, that's like just trying to you know, that you're just feeding them garbage. I'm like, oh, come on. I mean, that's that wasn't paying for their their drinking habit. But not only that though, I'm pretty sure they're not eating anything better than that either. Yeah. Well, that could be true. That could be true. I'm sure I'm sure that garbage is better than the garbage out of the dumpster.
[01:01:33] Unknown:
Yeah. You know? Yeah. Cool. But Oh, yeah. Yeah. I I I get you in that. But that's that's beautiful. That's a beautiful thing. Like, I had a I had a preacher friend who used to who, used to do things like that, like like what you said. And I do it too with my neighbors every now and then. If I if I know they're not around and I see their pails out in front after the collection, I'll I'll bring it in. Especially if I'm bringing in mine, it's supposed to take an extra two seconds to do that. So it's no big deal. And I don't I don't look for anything in return. I'm not expecting them to do it for me. I just want nothing like that. I don't care. It just take me a second. But the thing is is, I had a an old preacher friend who used to say anytime he would do something and somebody would come over and try to, like, compensate him for the gift that he that he provided, he would say, hey, hey, hey. Don't rob me of a blessing.
Right. You know, because I'm gonna I'm gonna get what you're gonna give me is temporal, but I'm gonna get from the Lord for doing that that that one little act of kindness is gonna be eternal. You know? So don't rob me of the blessings. Just let me let me enjoy that blessing. You keep what you got. And, and that's something that I follow myself too. It's like, you know, I I don't like when people do things for me. I don't like when people give things to me. It bothers me, and I'd rather be the one giving. You know? It's just that blessing.
So, so, let's see. So so I'm just gonna couple more questions for you, then we're gonna we're gonna wrap it up for the hour. So, you share a lot of thoughts in your book. You said earlier that that you're a man of quotes. You love your quotes. What's one line or phrase that still sticks with you the most?
[01:03:05] Unknown:
You know, Thomas Jefferson. So I did my bachelor's and master's in history. Mhmm. And I I I did quite a bit on church history in America, but I did a lot. I'm I actually did a lot of the reformation, and I ended up working on catechisms. It was really an obsolete, but I had a the chair of my master says, Mark, you you could write the definitive work on catechisms historically. Nobody's ever done anything from before Christ died through today. Right? And he says, you could do this, you know. So he he he's in my book, Charlie Frazee, and he just gave me tons of affirmation. I I was like, if he said chew on this, man, I I nod on that thing for weeks before we had a good discussion around it. And Yeah.
But but but Thomas Jefferson was a mentor for me for a number of years. A brilliant man. Absolutely. You know, lost his wife early in life, raised his two daughters, was very committed to that relationship. He's probably of of the founding fathers, he's probably the only universal man in that group. Ben Franklin would be close, but, he plays music, he writes music, he corresponds, with all the prominent players in the world, at that time, western world anyway. Mhmm. He he brings grapes to America for the first time and starts making wine. He's a horticulturalist.
He doubles America. He, he almost goes broke funding everything while he's the president because he's not getting any pay and there's no governmental regulation over that. So he has a party or a get together. He has a banquet or a dignitary from outside. He funds the whole thing. Yeah. So, I'm I'm teaching a western civ class part time at a junior college, and I have a a lovely little girl. Her name is Eva, and, she's just overwhelmed by how much she learned in my class, blah blah blah blah blah. Anyway, the last night of class, she comes up and she gives me this wrapped up gift. And I'm like, what is this? And she goes, you know, my mom and I look look for this. And when we found it, I was so excited. Can you open it, please? I'm like, you want me to open it right now? And she goes, yes. And I'm like, okay. So I open it, and it's here in my living room, but it's a, an etching, of Thomas Jefferson's bust.
And, and then my favorite quote, and I'd said this favorite quote a couple times in class. Right? His his quote is, I'm a great believer in luck, and I find the harder I work, the more I have of it. Wow. That's good. I like that. And I I I was just overwhelmed by that. Right? Because it that's his tenacity about life. Right? Mhmm. He he's he's not saying that luck is not outside of God's it's all God's providence. Sure. But he's saying, you work well enough, work hard enough, work deep enough, dedicate yourself, and and you'll have it. You'll have what, quote, unquote, everybody says, oh, he's lucky.
And not luck. It's a lot of hard work and determination. Right? Yeah. Absolutely. So, so that that's kind of my, yeah. That's yeah. I my kids will tell you that my favorite quote though is the only place success comes before work is in the dictionary. Because I said that to them so many times growing up. I said, you know, you wanna be successful. This is gonna take work. God designed us to be workers. We manage the world. He put us in charge of this whole thing. And everything that we come to knowledge of, and everything that we do, the understanding we possess, and eventually the wisdom we hopefully have all comes from work.
There's no there's no angles in the kingdom of God. There's no shortcuts. Yeah. That makes You have to go through the process to achieve and assimilate and then give.
[01:07:00] Unknown:
That makes a ton of sense. It makes more sense than you probably realize. That that's that's a great nugget of information there, brother. I appreciate that. And let me tell you something about Thomas Jefferson. I voted for Thomas Jefferson twice. You did? Yes. I did. Yes. I did. I wrote him in on a ballot when, Obama ran the first time, and I wrote him on the ballot when Obama ran the second time.
[01:07:21] Unknown:
Well, I I I don't know if you wanna hear it on the air or off the air, but, but I can I can tell you a story about him that's probably amazing thing? And I spoke to a group of when I finished my masters, we had to make a presentation. And so I made a presentation to it was about 40 professors, and not one of them knew what I told them. These guys all had doctorates. They were all, you know, smart guys. They really were. Go ahead. Drop it. Let's hear it. Oh, do you know why we celebrate the birth of America on July 4?
[01:07:53] Unknown:
Go ahead. Tell us. Do you know why? No. I know. I because I don't think we should. I think we should be because I don't because the declaration of independence wasn't really really all signed on July 4. It was signed sporadically during a period of time because Philadelphia was under was under the threat of siege. So the delegates weren't all in Philadelphia at the same time. So they they would come in, they would sign it, and go, to prevent that. But, actually, independence was voted on and, and, I guess, ratified in, July 2. So that should actually be Independence Day.
[01:08:28] Unknown:
So go to 1812. Okay. Do some research. Congress calls Thomas Jefferson to meet. They're already celebrating, George Washington's birthday. Mhmm. And so they decide to celebrate Thomas Jefferson's birthday. They bring him up front and they make the announcement, standing ovation, twenty minutes. He keeps saying, oh, thank okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank eventually, after about twenty minutes, they they they get silent. He says, parenthetically, I am so blessed. I am so overwhelmed. I am so in awe, and I am so humbled that you would think that I'm that important to this country.
And then he leans forward and says, but I'd rather have us celebrate the birth of our nation than my birthday. Birthday. And the crowd goes euphorically crazy for, like, they say forty minutes. That's everybody's running around going, yeah. Yeah. The birth of the nation. The birth of the nation, buddy. And then somebody finally stops. They slow down and they stop, and they say, what day is that? And he says, July 4. And he picks July 4. Actually, John Adams writes him and says, you know, it's a good thing they didn't do that to me because I would have said the third. Right? So on the third, they they actually ratified unanimously that the declaration of independence was good to go. Mhmm.
On the fourth, they sent it to the printers. And in his mind, the moment that document left them, it was it was a done deal. They were either all gonna be successful or they were all gonna be dead. Yep. And, supposedly, the day that they sent that on the fourth, Benjamin Franklin stands up and says, gentlemen,
[01:10:01] Unknown:
we must all hang together on this, or we will certainly all hang separately. Right? That's a famous statement. Very famous. Yes. It's about when I when you were starting to tell part of that story there, that's exactly what I was gonna say. I was gonna interject the quote.
[01:10:14] Unknown:
Yeah. So so Jefferson picks the July 4, and that's why we celebrated on that day. Pretty That's interesting. Yeah. I didn't know that. Just just a genius guy. Right? Yeah. Absolutely. Not so much that he picked that date, but just a genius. Just, no, just in general. He he you
[01:10:29] Unknown:
know, I I I make this point a few times, and and I always preface it with, like, I'm not trying to disparage any particular generation, but, you know, we have what they call the greatest generation. Mhmm. And they usually apply that to the to the generation that that that fought, served World War two. Right. I disagree with that. Great great generation, yes. Absolutely. But the greatest generation was our founding generation. Because you did not you will not find men more intelligent and committed to truth than you did those men.
And to me, that's our greatest generation, and there will never be a generation as great as that ever again. That was a
[01:11:18] Unknown:
I agree with you wholeheartedly. They forged a republic, a democratic republic that nobody else in the world has dared to touch. Mhmm. A lot of people pick and choose little pieces of what we do. Mhmm. But nobody said, you know what? America put together is pretty and it's pretty that whole process, the different forms of government Mhmm. Different powers, the checks and balances that are all the way through leading up to the supreme court who can shut down or change their mind or you know? That that is all what makes us a great nation. It truly is. We we in America have the greatest freedom of any nation in history. Agreed. Any empire in history. Nobody's had what we have here. Nobody.
And and we're a small experiment in the scheme of history. Absolutely. And, We wrote down our thirteenth centuries. The you know, I I I use the illustration in class all the time. I would say, you know, what's the greatest institution in all of history? And I would say it's the Catholic church. Mhmm. Right? It doesn't really make any difference what happens in the world. It stands firm. It stands there. It it it and that's what represents, right, God. Right? So he good or bad, you can figure all that out however you want. There's been waxes and wanes in in every theological premise that's been presented by man since the beginning of time. But what I'm trying to make is, we have a great place.
It's there's no place like this place. Right? None at all.
[01:12:56] Unknown:
Someone That's never been someone you deeply respect right now, and what are they doing that we should pay attention to?
[01:13:03] Unknown:
You know, I can tell you Bernie Simons, but I I I will fall back on a man that I truly do love, and it's Chuck Swindoll. Okay. He, and he's 90 now. He recently stepped out of the pulpit. He said, I'll stay here until I die, but, his eyesight has gotten to the point that he says it's just too complicated, and I can't, like, I can't hardly read. I have to enlarge everything. And so, a a great man. I served on staff at his church for a short time, then he he he's in my book. He's a father figure. Mostly from the pulpit, although I do have a personal encounter in there that really meant a lot to me. That's brilliant. But, he's
[01:13:47] Unknown:
he's a brilliant man of God. That's all I can say. There was a there was a pastor that I that I know or knew. He he's he's with the Lord now. Pastored a church in Ohio for many, many years. He actually planted the church in Ohio, pastored the church for fifty years. And toward the end of his life when he he his wife had passed away, his kids were taking care of him, he still, at 90 years old, would go out and street preach. Wow. He was blind. He could not see anymore. He would read his bible every day. He would read, if I remember right, he would read 10 chapters every day without fail, But his eyesight was so bad that he had to have a very bright spotlight shining right down on it, and he had one of those big magnifying lenses that he would just so he could read it.
And he would and again, at 90 years old, he would still go out, and he would stand on a street corner and preach his heart out to anybody that would listen. And I didn't know him for very long. I I I met him through my my current pastor. He my current pastor actually, studied under him for for a period of time, and, he's a great mentor to my pastor. Mhmm. And I met him through him. And when I was going through a very, very dark period, right around the time when my parents, had died, very quickly I went through a a year and a half of just total loss. I I lost my mom. I lost my well, in order, I lost my dad, my grandmother, my little buddy, my dog, while I was burying my grandmother.
My my wife and I ended our marriage, shortly after that, and then my mom died. And that pastor warned me every step of the way what was gonna happen just based on what I was telling him, and was so prescient in the whole thing that when it was all said and done, he he didn't he he never said, well, I told you. I warned you what was gonna happen with your wife. I warned you, you know, just on, you know, my years of experience that he could have very easily said that, and he didn't. And he counseled me. He cried over me. Mhmm. Prayed over me. Cried with me through the whole thing, and never met the man face to face once.
And Wow. He's just an incredible man of God, and I appreciated him so much. So I understand what you're saying about Chuck Swindoll. Your relationship with him is, like, you may you may have only had a few random experiences with him throughout the course of of your life, you know, in knowing him, but those moments are incredibly profound. Correct. And I've and those are the moments that I've had with this with this pastor, and I I will forever remember those things. I will forever be grateful for those moments. So that that's and so I I, yeah, I I can understand. Alright. So where can the audience get your book, learn more about you, websites, anything?
[01:17:05] Unknown:
Yeah. The the the, book is available on Amazon. Okay. And, and but it's also available through Barnes and Noble and Books a Million and several other places. I do have a website. It's, called New Dimensions International Co. So you can go there. And, I I say in the book, if you wanna contact me, I will I will spend time with you. I'll I'll make that investment. So, I mean that sincerely. I don't know that anybody's gonna take me up on that. But if you go to my website, there's a calendarly, and you can plug in and say, hey. And I'll contact you. We'll talk. And
[01:17:45] Unknown:
all I wanna do is help. That's all I wanna do. I praise the Lord. You know, there needs to be more people out there willing to do stuff like that. And that's that's that's amazing. That is absolutely amazing. Alright. Well, all the information that you gave me
[01:18:01] Unknown:
Sorry. Sorry. I turned
[01:18:03] Unknown:
it off. You're fine. You're fine. So all the information that you put out there, we have on on our our files here. So we're gonna put all of that stuff in all of the show notes. I think it's already in the audio stuff. I just gotta add it to the to the video links. So, as soon as we get that up there, I'll let you know. And, Mark, I really do appreciate you spending the time here with us. I'm really glad we were able to reconnect after the the little scheduling issue yesterday. And, this is a tremendous blessing for me. I would love to sit down and talk to you again some point, so we gotta work on something with that. And, so folks, this has been Mark Matzenbacher.
Right? Got it? Got it. Got it. Alright. Thank you so much, Mark. I really appreciate it. God bless you, and you have a great, great, great weekend ahead of you. You too. Thanks so very much. You're welcome. Take care. Take care now. Bye. Alright, folks. So what we're gonna do here at this point is we are going to take a short break. We're gonna come back and, just got a got a couple things I wanna talk about regarding the show yesterday and some of the some of the things we mentioned and some things that really happened, over the course of, of today that I I find very very interesting in relation to the stuff we talked about yesterday regarding the Epstein, files.
Alright. So folks, don't forget, this is a live show. Weeknights. It's becoming weeknights instead of just a Monday, Wednesday, Friday, but it's becoming and it's it's alright. It's fine. I I I like doing it. It's a lot of fun. And I'm telling you, like I said yesterday, if it wasn't for doing the shows like this, some of these great people that we've spoken to over the especially over the last few days, never would have an opportunity to meet them, and to talk to them, and hear their story. And this is a blessing and a half, and I love it. It's great. So I don't mind doing the shows every single night.
I am tired though, but that's okay. Anyway, so we'll be back in just a few minutes. I gotta go get a refill on the coffee, use little boy's room, and gets things switched around to talk about, some more stuff with, Jeffrey Epstein, and some of these very interesting moves that took place with, the firing of some Secret Service agent. Not the firing, should have been firing, but this suspension of some secret service agents. Alright. So folks, don't forget, this is a live show weeknights, 7PM central time. Saturday, we have a special Saturday show we're gonna be doing, 11AM central time. I'll get you more, excuse excuse me, I'll get you more information on that tomorrow.
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[01:25:12] Unknown:
Up and down, counting out, smiling through the taste of blood in my own mouth. I got bruises and broken bones, but they don't know I ain't in this ring alone. I'm a fighter. No one can back up. That's what I do. I didn't soldier on this far. Just a nudge. Stick your shot.
[01:28:05] Unknown:
Alright. Hey, folks. Welcome back. This is Joe Roos. Welcome back to the Joe Roos Show. Mark Matzenbacher. What'd you think of that? That was a I really enjoyed that conversation. That was a lot of fun. What a smart guy. That was that was really a blessing. Really appreciated that. Looking forward to getting in contact with him again and talking about a few more things. So that was, I hope you guys enjoyed that. Hey, drop a comment down below. Let us know what you think about the, the interview and and, your thoughts going forward. Any comments on that whatsoever? Anything about how the show is going? Any direction whatsoever? Anything you have in mind?
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[01:29:20] Unknown:
Stuff that I grew up with.
[01:29:23] Unknown:
I know. Shut up, Joe. Right? Alright. Well, we're gonna have to take a serious tone here for a moment because, got something that's going on here, in the news, of course, you know, that's very, very troubling. We talked about it last night. When we started talking about it last night, this whole thing with the, the Jeffrey Epstein files, and, so we have some updates on that. We also have some interesting developments with the, US Secret Service, which, I don't know. Something about it doesn't sound too right to me. So here's the question.
Are the events connected? Are these events connected? This issue with the Jeffs the Jeffrey Epstein files, DOJ's reversal on the so called client list, plus the sudden suspension of the six Secret Service agents tied to last year's, assassination attempt on president Trump. So are they connected? Is one a distraction just to bury the other one? Well, last night, what we did is we we kinda dug into this, Epstein saga, if you would. And I don't know if you missed that. You can you can always go back into the the the, the show archives there and get caught up and, you know, specifically, you check out the show from last night. That's where we really started talking about it. We had a a full segment that on that, and we, you know, we talked a lot about the initial file release.
So, what we're gonna do tonight here was we're gonna talk a little bit more in detail about that. We're gonna try to put some things together. So what you need to do is, if you haven't done it already, grab yourself some coffee, maybe an adult beverage, and settle in because this is gonna be pretty interesting. Now, the first thing we wanna start with, we're gonna start off with the whole Jeffrey s Epstein thing. Alright? That's, Jeffrey Epstein is that disgraced financier and convicted sex offender whose connections to, some of the most rich and powerful and famous people have kept his case alive years after his death. Now for those of you new to the story, and I don't know how you could be new to the story, and this is pretty pretty much been all over the place for years already.
Epstein was arrested on, in February on federal sex trafficking charges. He was accused of abusing dozens of underage girls, and then, of course, you know, he died in his Manhattan cell, months later. And, his death was ruled a suicide, which we anyone with common sense can tell you it wasn't a suicide. But of course, you know, the conspiracy theories have have never stopped swirling around this thing, and I personally don't believe it's conspiracy theory to say that Jeffrey Epstein did not, in fact, kill himself. He had ties to very, very important and powerful figures in politics, in finance.
He had connections to Bill Clinton, Prince Andrews, and and and so many others. And those connections, of course, have fueled the speculation about a client list of these elites that were involved in his crimes. Now, last night what we did is we broke down, how this case has become kind of a like a lightning rod for, of distrust in the institutions, like the DOJ, the FBI. Remember back in February, Pam Bondi set the expectations really extremely high. She invited a bunch of, conservative influences like, like Rogan O'Hanley, also known as DC Draino, Kaya Rychik of Libs of TikTok, Scott Pressler, Liz Wheeler, and Chad Prather, and and and and others.
Brought them over to the White House, handed them binders. I don't know if you remember that, but handed them binders that's that, that said, that were labeled the Epstein files phase one. I don't know. Have you remember this? Do you remember that scene outside the White House? And Bondi called this a step forward in lifting the veil on the disgusting actions of Jeffrey Epstein and his co conspirators. But what happened? They opened the binders, and those binders contained about 200 pages of information that were mostly already public record. Flight logs, a redacted black book of contacts.
It was the point. And then also an evidence list from the the Ghislaine Maxwell 2021 trial. There were no new names, no bombshells. And then, representative, Ana Polina Luna, who leads the task force on transparency, took to to x saying, this is not what we or the American people asked for, and a complete disappointment. But you know, Pam Bondi didn't stop there. In a Fox News interview, she claimed that the Epstein client list is sitting on her desk, ready to be reviewed.
[01:35:17] Unknown:
Yeah. I saw your appearance at CPAC with Bannon and with Ted Cruz, and one of the things that you've alluded to, and this is something Donald Trump has talked about, the DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients. Will that really happen?
[01:35:31] Unknown:
It's sitting on my desk right now to review. That's been a directive, by president Trump. I'm reviewing that. I'm reviewing JFK files, MLK files. That's all in the process of being reviewed because that was done at the directive of the president from all of these agencies. So so have you seen anything that you you said, oh my gosh? Not yet.
[01:35:52] Unknown:
Okay. Well, we'll check back with you.
[01:35:54] Unknown:
So she teased a lot of names and a lot of flight logs. Even even even basically alleging that the FBI was withholding thousands of pages including tens of thousands of videos, some potentially showing child sex abuse. She ordered FBI director, Kash Patel, to investigate and deliver all these documents by February 28, and then conservative influencers cheered expecting a reckoning. And we covered all this yesterday, so I'm not gonna jump too far into details that we already covered yesterday. But I want you to fast forward now to this week. Alright? The DOJ has done a complete one eighty, basically leaving president Trump's base and and really anybody that's paying attention to this thing feeling betrayed, confused.
On February, the DOJ and the FBI released a two page memo. You remember this one? They reached a two page memo that was absolutely outrageous. It stated that there was no incriminating client list, even though Pam Bondi just said that there was. It it it said that there was no evidence that Epstein blackmailed prominent individuals and no basis to investigate anyone else in connection with his crimes. They also reaffirmed that that, that Epstein's 2019 suicide backed by hours of jailhouse footage showing nobody entering or exiting the cell that night. But now, here's the red flag that we pointed out last night.
Here here here's the thing that we need to to to pay pay attention to. There's a missing minute in the footage from 11:58 fifty eight PM to 12:00AM. And Pam Bondi claimed that it was just a routine clock reset by the Bureau of Prisons. Well, that's not exactly reassuring, at least not to me. Then you had White House press secretary Carolyn Levitt, who I love. I think she's doing a great job. Clearly uncomfortable in this press conference with this particular issue. She tried to clean it up by saying that that Bonnie was was referring to the entirety of the paperwork in February, not a specific list.
[01:38:44] Unknown:
DOJ and FBI have now concluded there was no Jeffrey Epstein client list. What do you tell MAGA supporters who say they want anyone involved in Jeffrey Epstein's alleged crimes to be held accountable? This administration wants anyone who has ever committed a crime to be held accountable, And I would argue this administration has done more to lock up bad guys than certainly the previous administration.
[01:39:04] Unknown:
And the Trump administration is committed to truth and to transparency. That's why the attorney general and the FBI director, pledged at the president's direction to do an exhaustive review of all of the files related to Jeffrey Epstein's crimes and his death, and they put out a memo in conclusion of that review. There was material they did not release because frankly, it was incredibly graphic and it contained child pornography, which is not something that's appropriate for public consumption. But they committed to an exhaustive investigation. That's what they did, and they provided the results of that. That's
[01:39:39] Unknown:
So the DOJ and if there's a problem with the audio again on the video clips, let just drop me a note and let me know because I was watching it on the monitor and it looked like it was skipping and jumping a little bit. So let me know about that. That's, an issue that we're working on with with, the Rumble developers. So the DOJ admits that they're sitting on 300 gigabytes of material, hard drives, CDs, photos, videos, allegedly depicting child sex abuse. Bondi says, of course these are too graphic to release, and I get that. I get it. Totally get it. I don't wanna see it.
Okay? I I I do not wanna see that and I and and and man, I pray for those agents, those officers that have to sit there and look at that stuff. That that that must be I can't I can't even imagine. But when you've hyped a client list for months, if not more, only to turn around and then say it doesn't exist, well then people start asking questions. They start asking, what are you hiding? You had, Miami Herald reporter Julie k Brown, who's been working on this case for years, says that the client list is a myth. But she does admit that there's that that there's thousands of FBI documents that remain sealed, including details on why the feds failed to, prosecute Epstein earlier.
Tucker Carlson, on his podcast, said that Bondi is covering up crimes, very, very serious crimes.
[01:41:44] Unknown:
The people don't matter in this case. Man, I think this for a bunch of reasons,
[01:41:49] Unknown:
it's so obvious. It is salacious. People have followed it for years. The president promised to reveal the truth about this. Ben Bondi, as you said, went on television, so we have the truth, and we're gonna give it to you. Yes. I think this is kind of I think this is a big deal. It's a really big deal. It's bigger. I well, I hope so too, actually. So let's just assess this logically. They're covering up they're the DOJ the current DOJ under Pam Bondi is covering up crimes. Very serious crimes by their own description. Mhmm. Why are they doing that? Yeah. So there are really only two potential explanations that I can think of. Maybe you've got another. The first is that Trump is involved. That, you know, Trump is on the list. They've got tape of Trump doing something awful. I don't believe that for two reasons. One, I've talked to Trump about it a lot, and I well, I know him. He's not that, you know, for whatever his sins. I don't think he's that guy, actually. I don't think he likes creepy sex stuff. That's my view. But moreover but more, I think, convincing is that this is all information that the Biden administration had. And if there was evidence that Trump had been involved in illegal sexual activity, you you think the people who made up Russiagate wouldn't have leaked it? Right. Come on now. So So the only other explanation I can think of again, maybe you've got another, is that Intel services are at the very center of the story, US and Israeli,
[01:43:11] Unknown:
and they're being protected. I think that seems like most obvious. They have a history of this. There have been multiple documented cases of pedophilia inside of the CIA perpetrated by CIA officers, documented that in many of those cap, I believe, over a dozen cases, this was a BuzzFeed news piece years back where the CIA specifically did not want to prosecute those individuals in federal court for fear that they would reveal sources and methods if they were pulled into open court, and they basically just made it go away. The only time they actually prosecuted somebody, for child pornography was whenever he had already being prosecuted for mishandling classified information. Well, when they want to crush you, they put kiddie porn in your computer. I don't have a computer. It has no don't own one. If you're an important person, you should be careful. No computer in my house. This is an important thing, though, is that we already have documented cases of them covering this up with I believe the CIA inspector general. I forget the exact quote, but he said something along the lines of you wouldn't even believe the amount of child born, you know, that I've seen while I'm on this job. I mean, these are depraved. This guy. Look, I mean, it's a large organization, a small percentage of The US you know, I we can make that argument. I think there is, like, something pathological, you know, kind of in the minds of the people who excel in this type of environment. Of course, it's based on lying. Yes.
[01:44:27] Unknown:
And then you had Steve Bannon on War Room calling the DOJ hand the DOJ's handling of this thing a mismanaged mess. And then, of course, he questioned, Trump's commitment to transparency saying this is not what we were promised. And he's absolutely right. This is not what we were promised. And then Alex Jones went absolutely nuclear. I don't know if you saw it. He posted it up on x. I I was gonna play the clip for you, but it's it's it's over over ten plus minutes long. I don't wanna do that. But he went nuclear in a tear filled video claiming that the DOJ is running cover for the CIA and Mossad. Next, they're gonna tell us that Jeffrey Epstein never existed.
I don't doubt that. I don't doubt that that's gonna come out somewhere that Jeffrey Epstein was just a cover for something else. He called out Bondi Patel, the the FBI director, deputy director Dan Bongino, saying that they that they're losing their souls on live TV. Laura Loomer demanded Bondi's resignation tweeting that everyone is laughing at the Trump administration today. Robbie Starbuck asked, so s s so Epstein was trafficking these girls to nobody? Is Pam Bondi serious? And I don't know if you if you're familiar with Cat Turd. I I can't believe I'm saying that on the show. Cat Turd two with 3,700,000 followers posted on x.
Quote, so all the girls who testified about being raped on Epstein's Island were lying, and Jolaine Maxwell is imprisoned for being the madam for nobody? You gotta think about that, folks. You need to think about that. I'm gonna pause here for a second. We we have we're gonna have some more information on this Epstein fallout and the secret service suspensions and all that stuff coming up, but I have to do a read here. So Pod Home, my host platform for my audio. Host, pop yeah. Okay. I'm tired. Podhome.fm is the most modern and easy to use podcast platform out there.
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So folks, this Epstein case is just a black hole of unanswered questions, and the DOJ's claim that, that there's no client list hasn't even calmed it. It if they intended that to calm the storm, well, it didn't. It it did the exact opposite of it. It just stirred up even more. One of the loudest voices that you've heard recently is Elon Musk. Now we all know that Elon Musk has been feuding with president Trump since leaving the administration back in May. Musk went on to on to x, and he posted and then deleted the claim that Trump's name is in the unreleased Epstein files, suggesting the DOJ's reversal is about protecting powerful figures including president Trump. He didn't offer any evidence to back up the claim, and Trump fired back on Truth Social citing his his, his former lawyer, David Shone, who said the DOJ has nothing tying Trump to Epstein's crimes. Now think about this logically. If Donald Trump was actually involved in any of this, don't you think that the Biden administration of all administrations would have done everything in their power to make sure that you, the American public, knew that Donald Trump was involved with Jeffrey Epstein?
Don't you think that those things would have been released? Of course. And then Elon Musk put out a meme mocking the DOJ, and their their their no list claim, and that went viral before it before he pulled it down. But of course, that sparked a spark a firestorm. Everybody watches what Elon Musk does. Other other users are next piled on, you know, some accusing Musk of pushing a narrative to undermine Trump, or others, you know, praise them for keeping the pressure on. But let's talk about some of the names. Let's talk about some of the names in the files that we do have.
I gotta I gotta do something really quick. Hold on. Let's refresh this because Let's see if that cleared up at all. No. We are once again experiencing, the stream degradation. Oh my gosh. That's terrible. Look at that. Horrible. But let's talk about some of the names, shall we? Court documents from Virginia Giuffre's 2015 lawsuit against Gilane Maxwell, unsealed in January 2024, named over a 150 people. A 150 people connected to Epstein, including former presidents Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew, Alan Dershowitz, and and I can go on.
But here's the catch. Most of the mentions were incidental. Alright. Not at not any indications of of any kind of wrongdoing. And then, Giuffre, coincidentally, died by suicide. I think it was last week. She alleged abuse by Prince Andrew, and that led to a settlement between the two of them. Bill Clinton appears in the flight logs, taking multiple trips to Epstein's pry on on Epstein's private plane called the Lolita Express, but he's denied visiting Epstein's little Saint James Island. Donald Trump's name shows up, one time in a, 2001 casino visit.
But Giuffre testified that she was never alone with him, and she never witnessed him doing anything inappropriate. No misconduct. Alan Dershowitz was accused by Giuffre, but settled in a defamation suit with her in 02/2022. Then you have, Jean Luc Brunel. He faced serious allegations. Brunel was indicted for rape, but then he died in 02/2022, and his death was ruled a suicide. So that's what we have. What's really frustrating is what we don't have. That's what's frustrating. The DOJ's 300 gigabytes of material, hard drives, videos, phones, all of that remain under wraps.
Bondi says that some of it's too graphic, citing child sex abuse material, and and I respect that. I I hey. I don't wanna see it. Like I said earlier, I don't wanna see it. But all that does is it fuels the secrecy. Well, all the secrecy does is fuel the suspicion. In 02/2008, Epstein received a very lenient plea deal in Florida thirteen months in county jail. Thirteen months with work release. If that doesn't just smack of a lead protection, I don't know what does. Brown's reporting suggests that the FBI had evidence of interstate trafficking years earlier, but didn't act. Well, why is that?
Why? Those sealed documents might tell us, but now he can't, because they're still locked away. Glenn Beck on, his Blaze TV show tweeted this. The Epstein files are a total joke. The Epstein files are a total joke. Who's subverting POTUS? And then Roseanne Barr got involved in this. She took a direct shot at Trump on on ex posting this. Mister president, yes. We still care about Epstein. Is there a time not to care about child sex trafficking? Read the damn room. Then you had Charlie Kirk, Attorney Point USA, called the DOJ's memo a slap in the face to every victim demanding, where are the arrests?
Where are the arrests? It's a great question. Another post, the DOJ wants us to believe that Epstein ran a trafficking ring for nobody. Sure. So as you look at social media, it's it's pretty clear. People feel like they're being gaslit. People are not buying the no list line, especially after Bonnie's promises. Another person posted, this has left the base blackpilled. We're done with the games. And then, of course, you know, the missing footage from the from from the from the jail doesn't help. The DOJ said it was a clock reset. But when you've got a case this explosive with with a dead financier and elite connections, every single gap looks suspicious.
Alex Jones said that missing minute is where the truth lives. They're mocking us. Bannon said on on his war room show that the DOJ's reversal is a deep state move to protect the machine even under a Trump administration. If there's nothing to hide, why hide the 300 gigabytes? Show the files. What's if there's nothing to hide, why are you hiding it? And you know, it's not it's not just the conservatives that are that are are are complaining about this. You know, all across social media, all across the spectrum, people are demanding transparency.
A a a a hashtag that's been trending on x now is release the files. Now we're not done with the s Epstein stuff yet, but we're also we're also gonna be diving into some of the secret service suspensions, which some where some folks are calling a distraction from all this mess. But folks, before we get into that, I wanna tell you a little bit about our affiliation with the Alex Jones store. Alright. Head over to the alexjonesstore.com/joe, and shop from a wide variety of vitamins, supplements, and patriotic apparel. You guys know I've been taking the ultimate iris sea moss, I've been taking the turmeric, I've been taking the, the, ultra methylene blue. Stuff is amazing. Now, I've added the Shilajit to it, And, folks, when I tell you this stuff is amazing, it works, you need to check it out for yourself. Head over to the alexjonesstore.com/joe.
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This incident that and, you know, using the term incident such a an understatement. But this incident which left president Trump's ear grazed by a bullet and firefighter Corey Compreter dead was an absolute catastrophic security failure. Back in December, there was a bipartisan house task force that called this preventable. Slamming the Secret Service for unacceptable security lapses, including poor coordination with local law enforcement, failure to failure to use available technology to spot the shooter, a 20 year old named Thomas Matthew Crooks, before he fired. The funny thing is is that the people because I was watching the rally on TV when this took place. I was stunned by what I saw.
And then the follow-up investigation work that took place, not by professionals, but by the citizenry. Compelling, making reports that they saw Thomas Crooks walking around with a gun, climbing up onto the top of the roof. They reported it, but nobody did anything about it. Deputy director Matt Quinn told CBS News that the agency, of course, is now gonna be deploying military grade drones and mobile command post to prevent future failures. Great. Beautiful. Wonderful. Very happy about that. But you know what? Let's cut to the chase here. Okay? Let let let's get down to to where the cow can grab the cabbage. Why suspensions and not firings?
And why now? A year later. The Secret Service internal review found that operational failures took place. Operational failures, but only six agents are facing discipline? And and and don't you think that the penalty seemed a little on the light side for an incident that nearly killed a former president and a presidential candidate? And also took the life of an innocent bystander? You know, there there are differing opinions on this. You know, some so there are some people out there that that praise the suspensions as, you know, a step forward, a step toward accountability.
You know, one post read that I that I saw said, finally some consequences for the Secret Service incompetence. Other people see it just as a slap on the wrist. There's one person commenting suspensions for letting a sniper almost take out Trump, fire them all. But for me, I don't I don't know about for you, but for me, it's the timing of this whole thing. It's the timing that's making me question it. It's just come it comes just days after the DOJ's Epstein memo, and and logically people are calling it a distraction. Another another person on social media commented Trump the Trump administration is rolling out suspensions to bury the Epstein flop. Classic misdirection.
Again, Tucker Carlson, on his podcast, linked the suspensions to to, to to to to broader government failure saying, quote, the Secret Service botched Butler just like the DOJ botched Epstein. This is what happens when institutions protect themselves over the public. These suspensions are just a pathetic attempt at accountability. That's all it is. That's all it is. If Trump wasn't the president, would we even see any of this? It's all theater, folks. All of this is theater to distract you from the Epstein cover up. The DOJ and the Secret Service are hiding the truth about Epstein and about Butler, and they are doing it in lockstep.
What you are seeing being played out in right in front of you is deep state damage control. That's what you're seeing. Having six agents suspended, is is that is that is that justice for Corey Compertor's family? Would you consider that justice for them? Suspensions? First they hide the first they hide the Epstein files, now they toss in a few suspensions just, you know, basically just to shut us up. I may look dumb, but I'm not. So are the secret service suspensions a distraction from the Epstein fallout? Well, let's take a look at that. Let's try to connect the dots here. The Epstein case is a master class in eroding trust.
Masterful. Master class. Bondi's February hype about a client list, of course, set the expectations high, only for the DOJ to deliver 200 pages of rehashed documents and now claim that there's there's no list, there's no blackmail, no further probes. The missing minute in Epstein's jail footage and 300 gigabytes of unreleased material, hard drives, videos, photos just fuel the suspicion of cover up. The MAGA base, the conservative base, already frustrated, feels betrayed. Don't you? Laura Loomer has been very vocal about calling for Bondi's resignation. Charlie Kirk demands for, his demands for arrests.
And then, of course, as all of this outrage peaks, the Secret Service announces suspensions for an incident from a year ago. The timing is perfect and suspect. I mean, why? Why now? Why act now when when the Butler report was out in December? December. Why suspensions instead of firings? Why? They should all be fired. They should all go to jail. You know, the the DOJ the DOJ's Epstein memo and, you know, and all the stuff with the Secret Service, all of it points to a crisis of trust. I'm gonna ask you again. If there's nothing to hide, why withhold 300 gigabytes of Epstein material?
Why the light penalties for a near assassination? You know, there are some theories out there that, you know, the Trump administration is orchestrating distractions to shift from from bondage missteps. One social media post that I saw said, Epstein files fizzle, so they toss us secret service suspensions. Same old Washington game. Now look folks, I'm not saying that this is like some grand conspiracy, but if you connect the dots and you really look at it, the pattern's hard to ignore. It's hard to ignore. Remember, the Epstein case has names like Clinton, Prince Andrew, and that there's no accountability.
There is no new accountability. The Secret Service The Secret Service failure cost a life, and only six agents face temporary discipline. When the government hides documents and delays justice, it's not an accident. It's a choice. Steve Bennett said the deep state doesn't need to conspire. It just needs to stonewall and and Alex Jones. I love Alex Jones, and I think he hits the nail on the head. He said this, this is a unified front to protect the elite from Epstein's Island to Butler's rooftop. So folks, I wanna leave you with this. Is the DOJ hiding Epstein's truth to protect powerful people?
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[00:08:45] Unknown:
Joe, great to be here, and enjoyed some of your podcast. I I I will tell you, the accolades and marvelous reviews speak of your wisdom and the consistency of what you do. Oh, thank you. And, there's I to me, there's no more tremendous character trait than those, and I really believe that. So I'm excited and really honored, wholeheartedly to be here tonight. So thank you so very much. Well, thank you. I mean, you made me turn red here.
[00:09:15] Unknown:
That's great. Well, thank you. I do appreciate that sir. Thank you. And you know, so we were supposed to get together last night. We had a little bit of a scheduling kerfuffle there, but we got all that worked out today, and I'm really glad you were able to get on with us here today. Now, one of one of the things that I like to do before we kinda dive into the the more serious questions, I like to I like to throw a couple little, you know, if you wanna call them icebreakers, we could do that. But, one of my favorites is, what's something most people don't know about you but should?
[00:09:44] Unknown:
Jeez. I don't you know, I would say many people don't know because I don't ride as much, but I have a full dress, Honda Gold Wing that I bought brand new in 1983, and I have over a 100,000 miles on that bike. Nice. Very, very nice. Did some serious riding at one point in time in my life for about six years, that was really all I did. Lived in Southern California, so the weather wasn't too horrific, but,
[00:10:12] Unknown:
took a lot of good trips on that bike. Oh, that's great, man. I've always wanted to ride, you know, I haven't had the opportunity to do that. Every relationship I was in, every time I said I wanted to get a bike, it was, are you crazy? You're gonna kill yourself. Don't do that. Well, you know, if I'm gonna do it, let me do it. You know, what's the problem? It's no big deal. Well,
[00:10:31] Unknown:
the classic to that point was I started off on a scooter, was a little Honda 90. They had them on sale, and, actually, I the only reason I bought it was I could park right next to the classrooms, at college where parking was just at a a print sometimes I drive around for twenty minutes trying to find a spot to get to class. I could ride right up to the classroom, park my bike, and go in. Right? And then I thought, well, I need to get a bigger bike. This is really you know, it's not really it's purposeful, but it's not really fun. And everybody said buy the biggest bike you can buy, and so I bought the biggest bike Honda made. And Nice. Yeah. So Really nice. My wife broke into it pretty easy. You know, she she went from watching me drive away on a scooter to then climbing on the back of a bike saying, wow. This is big. Well, you already bought it, so you shouldn't have much of a choice. That's true. You know, so but that's that's the way guys should be. You know, just just grab on, just take control and say, I'm getting that bike.
[00:11:26] Unknown:
And that's it. Right? Or do we have to defer? Okay. Alright. Listen, I I am tired dude. I I have I have I have done I've been doing shows every night since last Thursday. So it's it's been it's been a long week, and, so I'm looking forward to some quiet time on Saturday. Because we got we got a double header tomorrow, and then, Saturday we're gonna chill. Oh, no. Actually, no. That's not true. Saturday. I have an 11:00 show to do Saturday. I forgot. Okay. Alright. Well, you heard it here first folks. I was gonna announce it tomorrow, but, since I slipped because I'm a little little weary here. But hey, that's alright. So, I I have to ask. I have to ask. Matzenbacher, where does that originate from?
[00:12:13] Unknown:
Yeah. So my my grandfather and his brother, immigrated from Germany in 1897. And, we we think it was anglicized when they came because they actually came through Staten Island, like, you know, you were supposed to do. They're That's what Ellis Island. I'm from
[00:12:27] Unknown:
Island, like, you know, you were supposed to do. They're That's what Ellis Island. I'm from Staten Island originally.
[00:12:32] Unknown:
Well, Ellis Island. Yeah. I guess it is Ellis Island. Right. Yeah. And, and so we think it was anglicized there, but but supposedly, from my grandfather's account, you were Moschenbacher. And he said, you know, historically, the family was the baker of matzo bread. Oh, nice. I've been pulling my leg 20 ways a Sunday. I don't know. But that that was the story. Oh, you never know. I mean, like, my family came to The United States around the same time yours did.
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And and my family came from, from Sicily. Well, one part of my family came from Sicily, one part came from Northern Italy. And, when my father's family came through, his his came from Northern Italy. His their last name wasn't what mine is now. My full last name, you know, my audience knows is Rusciello. And, when my family first came through Ellis Island, it was actually Rusiello, which means red sky. So, and they were fishermen, which it makes sense. The old saying, you know, red sky and fisherman's delight or something like that. So, I'm not much of a fisherman these days, so I I don't remember those things. But, so yeah. So then they anglicized it when they got here. They changed it because it was spelled R U S C I E L O, and then they added they took a c out, they put an s in, they made it work.
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Not not overly definitive on that, but, and not every day, but,
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you know, I don't know why it's just refreshing. Since I've been asking that question, you are the first guest to admit that they drink some type of alcoholic beverage to unwind at the end of the day. Yeah. Sorry. No. Don't be sorry, dude. No. No. I'm just being honest and truthful. That's it. I mean, I'm I'm a bourbon guy, my friend. I love my bourbons. You know, I I have my favorites, and I have my go tos, and every now and then, I like to I like to take something really nice, and just sit out in the backyard, and have, have have a nice drink with a nice cigar, and just relax, and just count the blessings, you know? That's just the way you gotta do it. Enjoy the life.
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That's, that's a living the dream moment. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. My my kids asked me what that means. They kept saying, what does that mean dad? I said
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I said, well, it cannot, will not, and could not get any better. And if it does, don't wake me up. I'm enjoying the dream too much. Hey, man. I like that. That's really good, man. I like that. I'm gonna I'm gonna remember that one. I gotta yeah. I'm gonna clip that part. I'm gonna save it, so I can get it. Alright. So let me ask you this. So in, in in searching for father, you open up about the loss of both your parents at a very young age. And what made you decide to to turn that particular deeply personal journey into something that you would wanna share with the world?
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You know, it's it's probably a combination of a couple things. One is, I could tell people today that I lost both my parents at eight, and and people get very they they have a hard time wrapping their head around that. Mhmm. Right? And to be quite honest, I did. There were five siblings. I had a brother that was ten years older than me, a brother that was, eight years older than me, a brother that was five years older than me. I was eight years old, and my sister was three. Okay. And so we were we were literally on the front of newspapers all across the world. We had people send us money from Europe, from Asia, from South America, from Canada. They felt sorry for us. Right? I mean, my dad was a pastor, and he he really left us nothing.
The 1957 Chrysler was the only thing he really owned, the car. The car that they were in was totaled, so we didn't get that. You know? I mean, we got some money for that, but at that point in time, that was the minimalist, to be quite honest. So so it's it's a lot of people have a hard time reflecting on on that process. And and my thought process really around that was, how do I tell people that things can happen to you that, good can come out of? Right? Right. I I I'm I'm I'm a big believer in quotes. My kids can tell you half a dozen quotes that dad said over and over and over again. But but, you know, I I kinda grew up with the understanding that, life is neither good or bad, but thinking makes it so.
You have a choice every day in life, whether it's a good thing or it's a bad thing. I can tell you from personal experience, it's much life life is much better when you think good than when you think bad because bad just, kinda freaks out your psyche, to be quite honest. I think it was, Marcus Aurelius said, the things you think about determine the quality of your mind. And and for me, that becomes a that's an important thing. Right? Because as I think is how my life goes. And so, I I yeah. So that that's one piece of it. I wanted to help people understand, you know, your darkest nightmare can still be a great morning the next day. Yeah.
And and that's easier said than done. I I get it, but but that's that's part of the reason. I wanted people to see that there's hope when you walk through this thing called life even in and amongst things that you can't explain, because I can't explain it. I, you know, I can't. Why were they taken from me? And that's such a And how old were you when when your parents passed? I was eight years old, and and we got no counseling. My mother's mother is 64 and widowed. That grandfather had passed away before I was born, and she took all five kids, and convinced a judge in court. They were saying, you know, you're a nice lady, but, you know, 64, and nobody else to support you and help you. And she said, this is what God wants me to do. I know that this is what God wants me to do. So and so that that that was it. And and we didn't get any counseling.
Nobody came and sat with us and said, you know, how are you feeling? And, you know, here's some things to think about as you work through the process of overcoming this. So so that that was that's a part of why I wrote the book. The other part is I really wanted to pay a tribute to all the men who had touched me, and, and they they all touched me in just what I could say is miraculous ways for no apparent reason. They just saw a need in my life and said, I will let me help. Yeah. And I was more than receptive. I was more than willing. I needed somebody to give me affirmation. I needed to some have somebody like coach coach Holland, junior high PE coach. I need that I needed to have him say he was proud of me. You don't know what that means.
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Well, sure. I mean, you you you lose your you lose your dad at at such a young age, you know, you you you do need that father figure in your life, and I think that's part of a lot of the problems that we have in in our in our social structure today is that the dad's really not around in a lot of circumstances. And so a lot of kids lose that. And, so, of course, it was it's natural that you would seek that out. It's natural that you would want that.
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Yeah. And and and and it, you know, it it was a series of blessings, unsuspected, really, I wasn't really much of a seeker. I'm more of a giver type person. That's the way my grandmother was, and that's what I became. And I and I do I do believe that if you wanna put meaning into your life, give meaning to your giving. That's awesome. Make it make it something of value. Right? You know, I wake up in the morning, I'm very purposeful about my day, and I'm looking for opportunities to give. Right? Somebody has a flat tire and and I've got the time, I'll pull over and help them change the flat tire. Sure. You know? Just those are little things in life that you think, what does that mean? But, but they do mean something. Well, those
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those random acts of kindness that that you do. I mean, you don't know really exactly how that impacts the person that you're helping out. I mean, yeah, of course, you're getting something out of it. You're getting that that feeling of of of of providing for a need. You're you're getting that feeling of, I don't wanna say accomplishment, but, you're getting that satisfaction of knowing that you helped somebody, you know, have somewhat of a better day. It taking the example of the flat tire, I mean, that that that's enough to send anybody off off the edge, you know, for for part of the day at least, and to be able to help somebody out and do that. And then on the other hand of it, you don't know what that person that you're helping out, whatever that random act of kindness is that you do, you don't know what that person is dealing with at that particular moment. That person could be contemplating, you know, this might be the last thing I do before I take my life.
And that simple thing that you do to help them, you know, gives them that little bit of hope that there that there's something worth holding on to. You know, so that that's that's that's that's what that's what giving is all about. That's what and then that's a lot of what, you know, Christianity is all about also. I mean, it's it's giving of yourself. It's giving without expecting anything in return. Exactly. That's that's the whole definition of charity. You know, people think charity love the same thing, it's not the same thing. Because a lot of the new a lot of the modern bibles, you know, they I'm I'm a King James guy. I love my King James, and, you know, I think the King James is very specific on very specific words, and we shouldn't go around messing with them. But that's the difference between charity and love. They're two different things.
You know? Charity is is is giving without any without expecting anything in return. Loving without expecting anything in return. And love is love. Love is brotherly love, familial love, emotional love. So, yeah, I mean, that's that's that's amazing. That's amazing. So this journey that you that you're on led you to discover father figures, like you said, mentors, unexpected places. What were some of those defining moments or relationships? And if you wanna talk about something like that.
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So, you know, interesting, my father's best friend, We ended up buying a home about three blocks away from him. His name was John Hager, but he actually became uncle John and Anna Lame. They they weren't family, but Oh, we've we've had those. Tend to call them when I came over. You know? You can call me uncle John for a moment. European thing, because because we did the same thing in my family, Italian family. We had people that were just close to the family that we called
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aunts and uncles, but they had no cousins. They had they had no relation to us whatsoever. But, yeah, I know. I understand.
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So uncle John was a Finnish carpenter and, just a a fantastic man, and, he had a fairly nice work workshop in his two car garage. And, so I, from an early age, would ride over, and we would talk, and, he he showed me everything. He invested a lot of time into me. He talked to me a little bit about my faith and how important that was. And, I think probably maybe the biggest thing there's a couple of things he did early on in life that were really instrumental, but he said never mistake choices for just, oh, well. Always make choices that are, good. You know, good choices, great choices, excellent choices. And so I think he kept me out of a lot of trouble in that sense. I was a pretty straightforward kid and I didn't really do anything wrong, so to speak. My brothers, on the other hand, gave my grandma some grief and I did not wanna give that to my grandma. I saw what that did and I thought, okay, we'll just cut cut to the chase, and I'll just be a good kid. And I was. So but uncle John really helped me, and I became a giver. In junior high, I was awarded the, Rotary Club, Service Above Self Award.
And, because the the vice principal there at school said, hey. Why don't you come and help us do this and help us do this? And I and I kinda went with the flow and and helped. And when I came home with that, I took it over to show it to uncle John because it was a plaque, and he goes, this is great. You need to come speak at my men's group Nice. And share what God did with you, your gifts and your talents and your giving. Right? So I I would say he had a big impact. And then there were a couple of neighbors, that did. But then, you know, coach Holland in junior high, I was a skinny kid. I mean, I'm I'm I'm telling you, stick and bone. There was there was no muscle on me at all. And so I would show up for PE class, and I would always have to get picked, but I would be the last guy picked, and I never got to play. Right? You know? I say, can I go in? No. No. Wait. Wait. We're we're gonna win if we if we just let us finish. And and and once we're ahead, then you can get you know, you're like, okay. Whatever. Anyway, one day he walks it, walks up to the class, and he he gets everybody set up. And he taps me on the shoulder, and he says, I want you to come with me. And I said, okay. So I follow him. We walk out in the field.
He's brought some golf clubs, and, he's got a bucket. He dumps some golf balls out. He shows me how to hit a ball and says, go ahead practice. Let me see what you're gonna do here. And he corrected a few things on my stance. Anyway, he says, okay. I'm gonna leave you. So you get to stay out here all day or all the whole rest of the period. And he says, you can just take golf balls. Just chase them around the field out here and just have a good time. Nice. I'll come back and see you before the end of the day. So that formulated in almost a daily ritual. I would go to his office, I'd get the clubs, I'd get the balls, I'd go out there. And, he'd come out and he'd put, he would just take a jump rope. There were these big jump ropes. He'd lay them out there and he'd say, see how many you can hit over that? Then he'd move them over here, see how many you can hit over that.
Anyway, at the end of that semester was the end of the school year, this was my seventh grade year, and he he, had the vice principal call me out of class. And when I went to the vice principal's office, I'm thinking, jeez, what did I do? I didn't do anything wrong, I didn't say anything wrong to anybody, I don't know. You're just nervous, right? Right. Anyway, I walk in there and there's him and Mr. Holland, and Mr. Holland says, Look, I wanted Mr. Symonek and I to share something with you, we got you some clubs to take home. Oh, okay. And he says, I'm gonna set you up with a little golf course not too far from your house, and they're gonna help you. And so, you know, what can I say? I mean, I was overwhelmed, I was overwhelmed. And when I came back at the end of summer, he took me out on the field and he said, show me what you can do, and I hit balls, and he said something to the thing, You've done very, very well, and I am so proud of you son. Wow. And I was, I don't know, I was just overwhelmed by the moment, right?
That kinda hit you though, right? Yeah. Yeah, nobody had said that to me before, right? My grandmother loved me dearly and cared for me dearly. But, yeah. And so he, yeah, he just he met a need, and he said, the reason you're doing so well is because you practice and you're determined. And those two words became etched in my mind, and I I came to the conclusion, like, practice doesn't make perfect, only god is perfect, but practice does make permanent. My kids heard me say that many, many times. And then it takes determination then if you wanna be a person that has that permanent. So I'm so I'm you know, giving for me is more than just an act.
So so I would say we are what we repeatedly do. Mhmm. So excellence or goodness is not an act. It's a habit. And so our our relationship in the Christian world is to be what god designed us to be. Now if you really want my deep thoughts on this, I'll I'll I'll just share with you real quick. Yeah. Please. Yeah. Go ahead. You you go to Genesis and you begin to extrapolate Genesis, and God creates everything in the universe for us. And you know what is common denominator for everything in the universe? They all give. The waters and the rivers, the streams, the lakes, the snow, they don't drink their own water.
The the vegetation of the world that produces fruits and vegetables, they don't consume what they produce. The flowers don't suck in all the aroma and take it in for their glory. The sun and the moon come out to give us light, you know, and none of those things have any choice. They're all giving. Wow. And so we, as human beings, are built in the design and image of God, in the likeness and creation of God. And and Jesus says the profound statement, for God so loved that he gave. That the core premise, I believe, for every human being in the world is to give. And if we all gave if we all gave everything whenever we had to or whenever the opportunity arise, then then I believe we would be purposeful in what we do because you make your life meaningful by applying the meaning of giving.
Oh, that's interesting. And to me, that that's profound. That's just profound. You know, as Susan b Anthony said, the older I get, the greater power I seem to have to help the world. I'm kinda like a snowball. The further I enrolled along, the more I gain. And and so those kind of notions just grab me by storm. Right? And and they it becomes me. It becomes a part of me. And I begin to think, that's it. That's really what I wanna be a giant snowball when my life is over. Right? I wanna be the image of people saying, he did everything he could for others. And and I've had I've I've had bosses who say you're just too good to people.
And they said, how does that not work? Right? I mean, I believe the more high-tech our world becomes, the more high touch our our world needs. It's it's the inverse. Right? It's one of those paradoxical things. Right? This is this is knowledge, this is learning, this is opportunity, this is this is AI is blowing the, you know, world apart, and I'm reading all that stuff trying to stay ahead of it and thinking about it and understanding it. But at the end of the day, assets make things possible, people make things happen. It's it's it's really humanity.
So I I'm
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I'm deep deep in the weeds here maybe on you guys. No. That's great. No. I I you know, because you said something very interesting. Now I, you know, I I I've been I've been I got saved February, so I've been saved almost twenty five years now. I I've I've gone to bible school. I've sat under a lot of teaching, some great teachers. I I served as an associate pastor of a church. You know, I've done street preaching, taught bible studies. I did a bible study podcast for many, many for about three years, many, many episodes over three years, Sunday school teacher, all that stuff. And you said something about the act of creation as being a giving act, and I never saw it that way.
I never picked up on that, and that is absolutely fascinating. I made a note of it because I am going to study this out, and I think I might try to steal it from you and, and and do a little bit of a bible study out of that at some point. It's not mine. Trust me. I
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I I so I I do a men's bible study once a month at my church. Nice. We spent thirty seven months doing Proverbs.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. Easily. Easily. Everything We're now on Genesis,
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and and so I'm in chapter chapter seven next month, but that's eleven months in Genesis. So so I I got
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if you want them, I'll send them to you. I got I appreciate it. Yeah. I'd love to hear. 37 pages of notes on Genesis one through six. Oh, I'd love to see them. Yeah. That'd be great. I'd appreciate that. Just Yeah. See, right now, on on my Sunday show, I'm teaching, well, I just I started really three weeks ago on this one, but, sort of laying the foundation for this, talking about America's Christian heritage.
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Mhmm. And,
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I started out with talking about, how the Bible is actually a very political book, if you really look at it. Absolutely. Because really what the whole book's about is about who's gonna who's gonna rule who. And, I know it's not proper English, but, you know, you know what I'm saying? So Gotcha. So it so and then I went from that, I went to, a message that I called the Christians Bill of Rights, and where are they, how many are there, and, kind of explain those. And then this past Sunday, I started with America's Christian heritage. So, so I I don't know why I'm telling you all this. I completely lost the idea of why I'm telling you this. But, but I I I about bible studies, I mean, there's so much in the bible that that people don't catch, and, I love it when somebody brings something forward that, you know, after all the studying and that I've done myself, I mean, I the the the the more I study the word of God, the more I realized how much I don't know the word of God. Absolutely. You know? And Absolutely. I know that's maybe a cliche saying, but there's nothing more true than that. And, so so I appreciate that. That would be great. I would love to take a look at those.
Sure. So, you speak about designing your data to inspire. Right? What does that look like practically for you? Especially, you know, when when life kinda gets really, like, busy and overwhelming and you're just tired at the end of the day, how does that look practically for you?
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Yeah. So, you know, my morning starts in prayer, and that's my opportunity to hold people up that I love and care about and, and then to, you know, really prepare myself for what god may bring my way. And, you know, the fact of, well, here's a quote that I do love. I really love this quote. Live as if to build as if to last a thousand years. So everything you do should have longevity to it. Yes. In my mind, it should be eternal. Mhmm. Right? But live as if to die tomorrow. So you have to do today with such urgency that and and I feel this way to some degree because I lost my parents that way. Sure.
It was just like that. It wasn't expected. It wasn't planned. There was nothing to prepare me for that. It just happened. So so I I I the premise there is I wanna be where god wants me to do what he wants me to do, provides that opportunity. So I I I kinda have to be on the outlook. So, you you know, we'll take I walk. I walk every week. I walk 35, 40 miles every week. Wow. That's good. And and so I'm walking by a girl, and she's trying to change a flat tire, and she's actually tightening the bolts. Right? So I stop and I say, excuse me. I don't mean to interrupt you, but I said, it it the bolt will not come off that way. You need to do the other way. She goes, yeah. I said, yeah. It's right. If you wanna take it off, it's to the right. If you wanna put it on, it's to the left.
And so, right for off, left for on. Right? So, and she's and she's looking at me like, are you kidding me? Right? So I I walked over and I showed her. I said, look. Here. And I said, boy, you put this one tie tighter than I thought. Right? And then I popped it loose and I started spinning off. And then I said the next one, and she goes and then I said the next one, and she's and and I said, you know, I can help you change the tire if that's what she wants. She goes, no, no, no. My boyfriend's on the way, and I I don't wanna call him now and tell him he doesn't have to come. I said, oh, okay. So Protecting the ego. I loosened them all up, and I said, so when he gets here, at least, you know, you'll Protecting the ego. They'll loosen them all up. And I said, so when he gets here, at least, you know, you'll say, see, I knew it was right off. There you go. That's gone. Right. Right. So whatever. And and, but but so we had a a brief conversation and, I said, you know, flat tires are a bummer. And she goes, yeah. Yeah. Actually not. I wasn't I didn't know if I was gonna see my boyfriend today, and so I'm gonna see him. And I said, well, you know, God works in mysterious ways, so take that one as a gift from God. And we you know, we said hi, and she said thanks again, and I walked away. Right? It's a great witnessing opportunity, sir. Yeah. It it you know, it's not I could have walked right by her and just thought, glad I'm not in that position. Right? Sure. But when I saw her tighten in the thing, I was like, oh my word. She's never gonna go anywhere. She could be there all day, and it's just gonna be worse. Right?
So, so I I think there's opportunities like that. And and then, you know, I I do some mentoring, so I have some people that I meet with pretty consistently. I try and stay in touch with a core group of people, so I I have lunch or breakfast every week with somebody typically. The last gentleman in the book, he's a lawyer, he's still practicing. He's just, he's an absolutely amazing guy. And we get together for lunch once a month. And so That's nice. Those are those are and I don't know. We don't really talk faith much. We talk about a lot of stuff. We don't really talk faith. But but he's had problems with an Achilles heel, and I've told him I'm praying. And he goes, thanks. I who couldn't use prayer? I said, oh, we can all use prayer. Right? Oh, sure.
So so it's kind of like that, to be honest with you. I have I have four kids. They all live, Denver, Dallas, and, two of them live in Virginia still Okay. Because I moved around in my career. So I I, you know, I go to help my kids. I'm leaving this Saturday to spend four days with my son to fix his garage and make it more manageable. And leaving that and coming home for a couple days and changing out my suitcase, and then I'm a week with my daughter in Virginia because they just bought a chicken farm, and she's moving on to a chicken farm, so I'm gonna come out and put boots on and drop her on the chicken. I don't know. I don't know exactly what I'm gonna be doing when I'm there, but she's asked me to help. So Well, you'll be doing something. That's that's the that's the main thing. You're there to help. You're gonna you're gonna let you know. I'll be giving. I'll be giving. So And something something you said about prayers, like, one of the things that when when people say that they're gonna pray for me, I usually say thank you. I need all the help I can get.
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Absolutely. You know? Absolutely. And it's true. You you really do need prayer. Prayer prayer is very very important in your life. So what what are some common fears or obstacles that prevent people from living life to the fullest? And how does your message in particular help people move beyond that?
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You know, I I think we become too busy. And and and I'm not saying busy is a bad thing. Mhmm. I just think we become busy not purposefully doing this and purposely doing that and purposely doing this. Yeah. And so, I was mentoring a young man from the master's program at Biola University, and, I we had to talk in about you know, he asked me some questions, very thought provoking. He's got a dad, but I think, you know, he was here's an outsider. Here's a guy who's done life pretty well. He's got great kids. He's got and we have 11 grandkids, six and under. So I don't know what happened with my kids, but all of a sudden, they all just started kids, kids, kids, kids, kids, boy, girl, boy, girl, boy, girl, six, six boys and and five girls. But but I said to him at one point in time, I said, so, you know, in my thinking, the most important commodity we all have, it's the most valuable thing. Love is good. All these things are good, but time.
Time is the one thing that you experience as you walk through this earth, and you get one shot to do it. That's it. You can't go back. You can't redo it. You can't save it up and say, well, I'll save all this time up, and then I'll do that for this day, or I'll do that at this point in time. It's a one shot deal. Then they said, so you need to think about what you do with all your time. Where do you spend your time? What does that look like? And is that and I told him flat out, is that honoring to God? So I we meet ten days later.
First thing he sits down and says, so I I I wiped out, like, four apps where I was just scrolling and scrolling and scrolling. He says, and I can't believe how much time I was spending. I said, well, you know, my phone tells me how much time I do that Yeah. Every week. They can kinda monitor that from my phone. And if I think it's going south, I just same thing. I just flip some stuff off. I just say, well, I'm not doing that anymore. I'm not doing that anymore. You know? Because it's all just busy work. So so I I think to be a person that has the opportunity to be giving, you really need to think about where you're spending your time.
Right? And and and I do think Marcus Aurelius is right. What what goes into our mind is who we become. Right? So garbage in, garbage out. Mhmm. Busy in, busy out. Purposeful in, purposeful out. Right? So it's a it's a it's a process, and that's why I am a big I am a fanatic about habits. Right? When we take a vacation, I go to the gym. My wife's like, we're on vacation. I said, I know. But one day without the gym is not a big deal. Two days without the gym is a big deal. Three days without the gym is a habit. And now I'm changing the habit. Right. Yeah. I'm I'm I'm just altering something that
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that shouldn't be altered. I gotta give you credit for that one, though, because I I if I'm on vacation, man, I'm not looking to do anything.
[00:41:41] Unknown:
Yeah. Well That's
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but that's You know, but but but in my mind, habits breed habits. So when I begin to get really serious about working out, I begin to change my diet, I begin to change some sleep habits, I begin to change some not as much alcohol, not that I was prolific with alcohol, but I begin to say, I'll go two weeks without alcohol just to see, you know, how much difference there is on that. So those are just habits that you're changing, not good or bad sometimes. Right? Mhmm. But but habits do breed habits.
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That's a good that's a great point. That really is a great point. The habits I'm gonna gotta write that down. Habits breed habits. So let me ask you this. What happens because because giving is is central to your message. Right? So what happens when generosity isn't reciprocated or or it's perceived to to not be appreciated?
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So the same thing that happens with God. Jesus gave, God gave, Jesus gave his life, and some people are never gonna they're you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make a drink. That's right. Yeah. So some people are not gonna and they're not gonna be reciprocal, and that's okay. Now I do think there is a guidance of of wisdom, there is a guidance from the holy spirit that says you need to be prudent about what you do. God gives you so much time, and he wants you to use that in a godly way for godly purposes. Right? Mhmm. So, you know, you don't want somebody to take advantage of you over and over and over again. So then that that's just gonna require the difficult discussion for some people of, I'm more than willing to help you, but I'm not gonna do everything for you. Mhmm. And I I can give you a prime example. I have a brother, the one just older than me. My parents' death wrecked his world more than anybody else. He believes that today, at 72, 73 years old, he believes today, everybody's been out to get him in life. Everybody. Wow. Everybody. And he's just got he's sideways on that from my perspective.
Right? But I used to help him financially. Why? Because he lived beyond his means. He just he would spend more than he made, and and and I'm not that way. And my wife's definitely not that way. Right? But she was supportive and said, yeah. Okay. I agree. Let's give him this. Let's help him here. Let's help him here. And then there was just a time when I said, I'm not doing it anymore. Yeah. I want you to know this is the last buck I'm gonna give you. And in the future, don't embarrass me by asking me. Don't insult me by going around me and asking my wife because, you know, she's probably even kinder than I am. But I've been generous enough, and now it stops.
Now it stops. And so he knows not to ask me for money anymore. He'll call and whine with me about, this is tight and I got this and I'm doing that and I'm doing that and I, you know, and I say, you know, discipline is all what it's all about, man. And I said, so your habits and and he's a gambler. Right? And I said, you wanna do that, It's your life. I'm not here to judge you. God's gonna do that at some point in time. Someday you're gonna stand before him and you're gonna have to say, well, you know, everybody was against me and God's gonna say, no. What did you do? What did you do? Right. So it's not everybody else. Yeah. Yeah. So it you know, so I do think there's prudence about that, but I you know, Jesus says pretty not pretty. Very emphatically says, greatest in the kingdom, the servant of all. And he says in one other place, greatest in the kingdom is a slave. Mhmm. Well, let me tell you something. There is nothing coming back to a slave. You're lucky to be alive. I'm putting food in your mouth. I'm keeping you clothed. I'll keep you alive because I'm gonna use you, but that's all I'm gonna do is use you.
So that's a little bit about if I went to the deepest, deepest toll with you, I would say at the end, God's gonna honor what you do. Absolutely. Whether you're taking advantage of or not, Absolutely.
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That. So I'm trying to I'm trying to remember the because I don't have I don't have my bible in front of me. Usually, I have it nearby. What's what is the verse in Luke? Was it give it shall be given unto you, press down. I I can't remember the exact verse. I'm it's gonna kill me now. I'm gonna have to look at it later. And I'm gonna have to come on the show tomorrow and read it to make sure I get everybody right. But, but the whole point of the verse is the fact that, you know, if you're gonna give and you're gonna do these things, it's gonna come back to you tenfold. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, for whatever measure you you met with all, it'll be returned unto you. So, so it yeah. I I understand exactly where you're going with that. And, yeah, I've I've I've come across certain circumstances in my life too. Like, in my younger days, my dad took a very similar approach to you. My dad was always there willing to help and, you know, whatever it was.
And, you know, there was just one day I was and I wasn't looking. I wasn't asking for help or anything like that. I just went to him and say, hey, dad. So and I I said, what do you think about I said, I'm having this this this this this problem. I'm not sure exactly what to do. He goes, Joseph, I can't help you. The ATM is closed. Was, I wasn't asking for anything. I was just asking for your advice for crying out loud, you know. He goes, really? I was like, yes. That's it. I just wanted your advice. So, my my my dad didn't get saved until, three days before he passed away.
Oh, praise the lord. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. I I he he was we we knew he was he was he was dying and, he was in the hospital. And I had witnessed to him so many times, and my dad always would say, Joseph, you forget I I know you. And I'm like, yeah, I know, but you know that Joseph, you don't know this one. And he was like, you're the same person, you just put you just put a fresh change of clothes on, that's all. I was like, okay. So I called, so I called a pastor friend of mine, and, he went and he shared the gospel with him and my dad got saved, and and that was a blessing, and then passed away three days later. But I find myself thinking back over those conversations that I had with my dad, and and he had so much wisdom. You know, even even as an unsaved man, he had such godly wisdom. I don't think he even realized some of the things, some of the very very scriptural pieces of advice that he gave me that since he's been gone, I go back to and I say, well, you know that was that's right there that says Luke chapter six. That's that's that's Proverbs 13. That's Proverbs that's Proverbs 15.
You know? And he had no clue and, you know, it it it it it's amazing. And now I have a son who is 25, and Lord willing, he'll make it to 26 if I don't if I don't correct that. But but, he's a great kid. I'm I'm super proud of him. He's he's overcome so many things in his life, in his short life as it is. And, he's he's doing really well for some very proud of him. But I find myself giving him that advice that my dad gave me. Like, he'll call me his dad. His dad, you know, because he has a very deep voice, deeper than mine. He's like, duh, you know, I don't know about this. Alright. First of all, you're not Sylvester Stallone, so get the marbles out of your mouth. Alright. That's number one.
And number two, I said, I I Matt, his name is Matt. I I can't, you know, you gotta figure this out for yourself, dude. I got I've helped you so much. So I'm like, I'm not asking you for anything, dad. And it's just the same exact conversation that I remember having with my dad at some point in my life. And, you know, that's a blessing though to be able to part that kind of advice and counsel onto your kids and and to and and and onto your other other family members as well like you did. And that's that's important. It's important and and what you don't really don't understand either is well, did you mention I don't know if you mentioned it. Was he was he a Christian? Did he get saved? Or or the the the one you tell the the story you're telling?
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I'm thinking about
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I'm I was kind of sucked into your Oh, okay. So so I was so I was put I was putting you to sleep, basically. Okay. That's fine. No. No. No. No. No. No. I was listening very gently. I I No. No. No. I'm kidding. But, the person that you were talking about in your story, in in the story you were saying was now did they get saved? Were they Christians or did they get saved? Or were they not So
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if you're talking about the coach, coach Holland,
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or was it after that? After that. The the one that you said that you couldn't help anymore.
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Oh, no. No. That's my brother. Your brother. No. No. My brother believes he's saved. So, yeah. No. No. No. He he believes he's saved. Okay. And he believes that god is gonna open his eyes, and he will. But, so, you know, I don't again, he he knows I don't, you know, I I I don't judge him. Right? He he said, but you know I've given the best I can give. And I said, I I yeah. I've heard everything you've said, and I know where you've been and what you've done. And but I said, god knows your heart. So I said, you know Sure. It's, so I did did he make a profession before my father died? Yes. I'm sure he did that. I did that before my father died. So, so I'm sure he did that. But, and and all my brothers are, you know, they they are who they are. And Right. You know, it it it I can tell all my brothers I love them. I stay in contact with my whole family.
That's not true between siblings. Right? I got two that haven't talked in twenty two years or something. And and then I got another one now who hasn't talked to one in four years, and and, you know, but I don't counsel them on that because I I I think, you know, it, I don't I don't wanna preach to them, I guess, is the best way to say it. I I can tell you, you're wrong, go go be what you need to be, say you're sorry, get things right, square it up, you know, but That's good. Yeah. It it's tough. It's tough. We the death of my parents affected us all differently. That's That's all I can tell. Well, yeah, but everybody's different. So, like,
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when when my parents passed away, my my dad passed away, then, two years later my mom passed away. You know, it affected the my sister, and it was just me and my sister. You know, it affected it affected us both very differently. Different circumstances. My my sister still lives up in New York, and, you know, she was still taking care of mom and dad, you know, and she was the one that was there. I was down here. So so she had a different view of the whole process, and so she, of course, handles it a lot differently. Right.
I don't wanna say I felt kinda detached from it because I I I love my parents and I miss them incredibly. As a matter of fact, July 8, just two days ago is, the second anniversary of my mom passing. So, you know, that was a very tough day for for the both of us and, you know, we took some time together to talk and and to kinda counsel each other and console each other through it. And it's very important, you know, you have that relationship with your family and to keep them close to you. It's it's it's it's so important, especially in those things, and it does affect everybody different. I see how it affects my sister and it affects me somewhat differently as well. But, that's that's no truer statement could be made. Now in in in practical everyday terms, what does it mean to embrace the gift of giving? And how can someone stuck in routine begin?
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So I I really think it's considering every moment in your day, and, you know, at the I I did HR for about thirty years of my career. Right? So Something told me that. Hug people. I couldn't with a clear conscience, I couldn't hug anybody because it just takes one person to say, I thought there was an affectionate rub there. No. No. It was just a hug. Right? You know? So I didn't hug women, and and I I was very cautious. I I know some very funny jokes. I couldn't tell any of those jokes because somebody would take offense to some portion of that joke Yeah. Somehow, someway. But but I think the reality is you said it earlier, and I think it was a very, very valid point.
One, everybody's different, but everybody goes through things differently. Mhmm. And and so you may do something wrong at work, And how can I give to you when I've gotta sit you down and tell you you did something wrong? So I'll tell you how you can give. First question I usually ask people is how are you doing? How are things at home? Mhmm. How are you feeling? And there's always a whole series of questions to try and delve into the world and say, what am I not seeing? What do I not know that or see I can then give and help support them because of that. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah. You know, I saw I I and I had issues. You know, I had somebody that was a stellar stellar employee, and all of a sudden, they started showing up late. And I was a stickler I found out early in my career that if you just monitor three or four things very, very conscientiously all the time, nobody really messes around with you as a boss because they think he watches everything. Right. He knows everything. Right? So so time and attendance, I was a thing. You know? And I brought her into my office, and I said, you know, you gotta be here on time. She says, I know. I know. And you you how often have I been late? I said, not many times, but it can't keep happening. This is the second time. This is why we're talking. She goes, I know. I know. I know.
Said, you know, usually three strikes and you're out is in my book. I do not wanna have that connection with you. Mhmm. And so she just sat there, and she looked at the floor. And I finally said, you know, if you wanna share something with me, it'll stay right here. If you don't, I totally understand. But make no mistake about this conversation. You can't be late again. I'm gonna suspend you. And and I don't know where that's gonna go. And I and I was shocked. Right? Because I'm thinking, oh, jeez. Poke the bear. Yeah. The bee's nest is stirring. And she proceeds to tell me that her mother's dying of cancer, and her sister can't deal with it anymore. And so she's having to do everything. Take her her dad's despondent. He's trying to figure out how this works, and what does this mean.
And and I said, you know, Nancy, I needed to know that because let's let's let's arrange for you to do a different schedule. Let me help you with that. So I'm giving now, sharing. Let me do and and so I alter her schedule. Everything was got better, but then her mom got worse. And then I said, you know, Nancy, let me share this with a few people. I know that that's a risk for you and who you are and what you stand for because you're you're the kind of person that always wants to be good, and right, and stellar. And I ended up having several women that said, I'll work her shift.
I'll come in and cover for her, and you pay her. I don't want the money. Oh, wow.
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That's That's unusual.
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That's unusual. Yes. She is she is I worked with her for a couple more years, and then we parted ways career wise. I've stayed in touch with her. She knows how much I love her in that sense, right, of just wanting so so those are the kind of things, but I think you need to be kind of intentional about that. In in other words, it's kinda part in your mind. Where do where can I give today? What does that mean? What does that look like? And and it changes. Right? I mean, the the thing about life is it changes, but there's certain things there's certain things that have to be constant within us.
There's certain things that have to be so truth is always truth. Mhmm. You can't change truth. That's right. And I've gotta live to the truth, and I've gotta represent the truth. And and when I do that well, life is good. Right? Yeah. Jesus said the truth will set you free. You know? You're not you're not burdened. You're not bound down. You're not trying to figure out now how do I tell another lie to cover up for the last lie that from the lie before to the lie that, you know, it just it yeah. And and living a deceitful life doesn't work either. So Sure. So it's really about thinking conscientiously
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about where's my opportunity to give today? What does that look like? Yeah. Living a deceitful life reminds me that verse of scripture that says, you know, surely your sin will find you out. Oh, yeah. And it it really is true. It it absolutely is.
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It that I think the funniest the funniest example I can give you real quick on this one, I lived in a neighborhood in New Jersey, and all the homes were set 75 yards from the street. Beautiful neighborhood. I'm just telling you. It was absolutely gorgeous. And, you have to shovel that one time, and you think, that guy was a nut that put the house at 75 yards from the street. That's a ton of shoveling. Right? But Yeah. But but I came home one night, from work, and we had to wheel our trash cans down to the street where they picked them up. Right? And they knew the guy across the street was out of town for the week, and her trash barrels were out there. So I took her trash barrels in. I got out of my car and took her trash. I came back and I was walking towards my house, and I noticed that something down at the end of the street were out. And I thought, oh, shoot. I should take theirs back too. Let's let's do it all. Right? No. You know? And I come in, like, fifteen minutes later. My wife was like, I saw you pulling the driveway. What are you doing? I'm like, well, I took everybody's trash cans in. Right? She goes, what? I said, well, you know, Janice's husband's gone, and, you know, she doesn't need to go out here. It's winter. Right? So, anyway, I I I started making that a habit, taking everybody's trash cans. Well, Christmas comes up, and there's a Christmas get together for a street, and and everybody's walking around saying, hey. Who's taking up the trash can? You know, who's we're we're on a cul de sac, so there's only six holes. Right? It's not like it's an undue burden. Right? It's a long walk, though. You know? I probably did, like, 600 yards doing everybody's, you know, like 75 yards a clip. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. So, so anyway and I I just kinda played yeah.
I I don't know. Who would do that? Right? You know? And, the trash can. Somebody saw me a few weeks later. Somebody I don't know. Maybe they were sitting out there, you know, looking for me. I don't know. Anyway I'm gonna find out who that is. Yeah. It's the February, and I have three cards in my mailbox. And each one of them is a thank you card from a neighbor, and there's a gift card in there. Oh, that's sweet. And I'm thinking, look. That's not why I did this, folks. Right? You you're totally kinda destroying the whole point. Right? You know? So but but those are the kind of things where you're giving.
It's taking my time and effort and energy. And and that that really was prompted more from love your neighbor as yourself. I was really kinda working through that whole, what does that mean? What what does that look like? Sure. And how do I share that? Right? And that was seemingly a simple way to do it. But, yeah, I was the the you know, from that point forward until we moved. Hey. Hey. It's the trash guy. What's up? He says, you know, you've made life miserable for me because my wife's told me a couple times, Mark must not be home this week. You need to go turn their trash cans in. Right? So it's one of those things. Right? Sure. Those random acts of kindness have have have those benefits, you know. Yeah. But but and and you and when you say that, I want you to think about they're not random. It's purposeful. Right? True. It's it's not I'm I'm not forking $5 to a guy that I'll never see again.
If I'm gonna stop and help a guy I so I did for a while. I did I've I've done it lifelong, but I used to go and buy $10 gift cards at McDonald's. So if a guy was panhandling for money, I'd hand him a gift card and say, here, go to McDonald's and get a good meal. Right? I don't know if that's a good meal. You know? My one of my buddies tried at me and says, that's like just trying to you know, that you're just feeding them garbage. I'm like, oh, come on. I mean, that's that wasn't paying for their their drinking habit. But not only that though, I'm pretty sure they're not eating anything better than that either. Yeah. Well, that could be true. That could be true. I'm sure I'm sure that garbage is better than the garbage out of the dumpster.
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Yeah. You know? Yeah. Cool. But Oh, yeah. Yeah. I I I get you in that. But that's that's beautiful. That's a beautiful thing. Like, I had a I had a preacher friend who used to who, used to do things like that, like like what you said. And I do it too with my neighbors every now and then. If I if I know they're not around and I see their pails out in front after the collection, I'll I'll bring it in. Especially if I'm bringing in mine, it's supposed to take an extra two seconds to do that. So it's no big deal. And I don't I don't look for anything in return. I'm not expecting them to do it for me. I just want nothing like that. I don't care. It just take me a second. But the thing is is, I had a an old preacher friend who used to say anytime he would do something and somebody would come over and try to, like, compensate him for the gift that he that he provided, he would say, hey, hey, hey. Don't rob me of a blessing.
Right. You know, because I'm gonna I'm gonna get what you're gonna give me is temporal, but I'm gonna get from the Lord for doing that that that one little act of kindness is gonna be eternal. You know? So don't rob me of the blessings. Just let me let me enjoy that blessing. You keep what you got. And, and that's something that I follow myself too. It's like, you know, I I don't like when people do things for me. I don't like when people give things to me. It bothers me, and I'd rather be the one giving. You know? It's just that blessing.
So, so, let's see. So so I'm just gonna couple more questions for you, then we're gonna we're gonna wrap it up for the hour. So, you share a lot of thoughts in your book. You said earlier that that you're a man of quotes. You love your quotes. What's one line or phrase that still sticks with you the most?
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You know, Thomas Jefferson. So I did my bachelor's and master's in history. Mhmm. And I I I did quite a bit on church history in America, but I did a lot. I'm I actually did a lot of the reformation, and I ended up working on catechisms. It was really an obsolete, but I had a the chair of my master says, Mark, you you could write the definitive work on catechisms historically. Nobody's ever done anything from before Christ died through today. Right? And he says, you could do this, you know. So he he he's in my book, Charlie Frazee, and he just gave me tons of affirmation. I I was like, if he said chew on this, man, I I nod on that thing for weeks before we had a good discussion around it. And Yeah.
But but but Thomas Jefferson was a mentor for me for a number of years. A brilliant man. Absolutely. You know, lost his wife early in life, raised his two daughters, was very committed to that relationship. He's probably of of the founding fathers, he's probably the only universal man in that group. Ben Franklin would be close, but, he plays music, he writes music, he corresponds, with all the prominent players in the world, at that time, western world anyway. Mhmm. He he brings grapes to America for the first time and starts making wine. He's a horticulturalist.
He doubles America. He, he almost goes broke funding everything while he's the president because he's not getting any pay and there's no governmental regulation over that. So he has a party or a get together. He has a banquet or a dignitary from outside. He funds the whole thing. Yeah. So, I'm I'm teaching a western civ class part time at a junior college, and I have a a lovely little girl. Her name is Eva, and, she's just overwhelmed by how much she learned in my class, blah blah blah blah blah. Anyway, the last night of class, she comes up and she gives me this wrapped up gift. And I'm like, what is this? And she goes, you know, my mom and I look look for this. And when we found it, I was so excited. Can you open it, please? I'm like, you want me to open it right now? And she goes, yes. And I'm like, okay. So I open it, and it's here in my living room, but it's a, an etching, of Thomas Jefferson's bust.
And, and then my favorite quote, and I'd said this favorite quote a couple times in class. Right? His his quote is, I'm a great believer in luck, and I find the harder I work, the more I have of it. Wow. That's good. I like that. And I I I was just overwhelmed by that. Right? Because it that's his tenacity about life. Right? Mhmm. He he's he's not saying that luck is not outside of God's it's all God's providence. Sure. But he's saying, you work well enough, work hard enough, work deep enough, dedicate yourself, and and you'll have it. You'll have what, quote, unquote, everybody says, oh, he's lucky.
And not luck. It's a lot of hard work and determination. Right? Yeah. Absolutely. So, so that that's kind of my, yeah. That's yeah. I my kids will tell you that my favorite quote though is the only place success comes before work is in the dictionary. Because I said that to them so many times growing up. I said, you know, you wanna be successful. This is gonna take work. God designed us to be workers. We manage the world. He put us in charge of this whole thing. And everything that we come to knowledge of, and everything that we do, the understanding we possess, and eventually the wisdom we hopefully have all comes from work.
There's no there's no angles in the kingdom of God. There's no shortcuts. Yeah. That makes You have to go through the process to achieve and assimilate and then give.
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That makes a ton of sense. It makes more sense than you probably realize. That that's that's a great nugget of information there, brother. I appreciate that. And let me tell you something about Thomas Jefferson. I voted for Thomas Jefferson twice. You did? Yes. I did. Yes. I did. I wrote him in on a ballot when, Obama ran the first time, and I wrote him on the ballot when Obama ran the second time.
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Well, I I I don't know if you wanna hear it on the air or off the air, but, but I can I can tell you a story about him that's probably amazing thing? And I spoke to a group of when I finished my masters, we had to make a presentation. And so I made a presentation to it was about 40 professors, and not one of them knew what I told them. These guys all had doctorates. They were all, you know, smart guys. They really were. Go ahead. Drop it. Let's hear it. Oh, do you know why we celebrate the birth of America on July 4?
[01:07:53] Unknown:
Go ahead. Tell us. Do you know why? No. I know. I because I don't think we should. I think we should be because I don't because the declaration of independence wasn't really really all signed on July 4. It was signed sporadically during a period of time because Philadelphia was under was under the threat of siege. So the delegates weren't all in Philadelphia at the same time. So they they would come in, they would sign it, and go, to prevent that. But, actually, independence was voted on and, and, I guess, ratified in, July 2. So that should actually be Independence Day.
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So go to 1812. Okay. Do some research. Congress calls Thomas Jefferson to meet. They're already celebrating, George Washington's birthday. Mhmm. And so they decide to celebrate Thomas Jefferson's birthday. They bring him up front and they make the announcement, standing ovation, twenty minutes. He keeps saying, oh, thank okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank eventually, after about twenty minutes, they they they get silent. He says, parenthetically, I am so blessed. I am so overwhelmed. I am so in awe, and I am so humbled that you would think that I'm that important to this country.
And then he leans forward and says, but I'd rather have us celebrate the birth of our nation than my birthday. Birthday. And the crowd goes euphorically crazy for, like, they say forty minutes. That's everybody's running around going, yeah. Yeah. The birth of the nation. The birth of the nation, buddy. And then somebody finally stops. They slow down and they stop, and they say, what day is that? And he says, July 4. And he picks July 4. Actually, John Adams writes him and says, you know, it's a good thing they didn't do that to me because I would have said the third. Right? So on the third, they they actually ratified unanimously that the declaration of independence was good to go. Mhmm.
On the fourth, they sent it to the printers. And in his mind, the moment that document left them, it was it was a done deal. They were either all gonna be successful or they were all gonna be dead. Yep. And, supposedly, the day that they sent that on the fourth, Benjamin Franklin stands up and says, gentlemen,
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we must all hang together on this, or we will certainly all hang separately. Right? That's a famous statement. Very famous. Yes. It's about when I when you were starting to tell part of that story there, that's exactly what I was gonna say. I was gonna interject the quote.
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Yeah. So so Jefferson picks the July 4, and that's why we celebrated on that day. Pretty That's interesting. Yeah. I didn't know that. Just just a genius guy. Right? Yeah. Absolutely. Not so much that he picked that date, but just a genius. Just, no, just in general. He he you
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know, I I I make this point a few times, and and I always preface it with, like, I'm not trying to disparage any particular generation, but, you know, we have what they call the greatest generation. Mhmm. And they usually apply that to the to the generation that that that fought, served World War two. Right. I disagree with that. Great great generation, yes. Absolutely. But the greatest generation was our founding generation. Because you did not you will not find men more intelligent and committed to truth than you did those men.
And to me, that's our greatest generation, and there will never be a generation as great as that ever again. That was a
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I agree with you wholeheartedly. They forged a republic, a democratic republic that nobody else in the world has dared to touch. Mhmm. A lot of people pick and choose little pieces of what we do. Mhmm. But nobody said, you know what? America put together is pretty and it's pretty that whole process, the different forms of government Mhmm. Different powers, the checks and balances that are all the way through leading up to the supreme court who can shut down or change their mind or you know? That that is all what makes us a great nation. It truly is. We we in America have the greatest freedom of any nation in history. Agreed. Any empire in history. Nobody's had what we have here. Nobody.
And and we're a small experiment in the scheme of history. Absolutely. And, We wrote down our thirteenth centuries. The you know, I I I use the illustration in class all the time. I would say, you know, what's the greatest institution in all of history? And I would say it's the Catholic church. Mhmm. Right? It doesn't really make any difference what happens in the world. It stands firm. It stands there. It it it and that's what represents, right, God. Right? So he good or bad, you can figure all that out however you want. There's been waxes and wanes in in every theological premise that's been presented by man since the beginning of time. But what I'm trying to make is, we have a great place.
It's there's no place like this place. Right? None at all.
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Someone That's never been someone you deeply respect right now, and what are they doing that we should pay attention to?
[01:13:03] Unknown:
You know, I can tell you Bernie Simons, but I I I will fall back on a man that I truly do love, and it's Chuck Swindoll. Okay. He, and he's 90 now. He recently stepped out of the pulpit. He said, I'll stay here until I die, but, his eyesight has gotten to the point that he says it's just too complicated, and I can't, like, I can't hardly read. I have to enlarge everything. And so, a a great man. I served on staff at his church for a short time, then he he he's in my book. He's a father figure. Mostly from the pulpit, although I do have a personal encounter in there that really meant a lot to me. That's brilliant. But, he's
[01:13:47] Unknown:
he's a brilliant man of God. That's all I can say. There was a there was a pastor that I that I know or knew. He he's he's with the Lord now. Pastored a church in Ohio for many, many years. He actually planted the church in Ohio, pastored the church for fifty years. And toward the end of his life when he he his wife had passed away, his kids were taking care of him, he still, at 90 years old, would go out and street preach. Wow. He was blind. He could not see anymore. He would read his bible every day. He would read, if I remember right, he would read 10 chapters every day without fail, But his eyesight was so bad that he had to have a very bright spotlight shining right down on it, and he had one of those big magnifying lenses that he would just so he could read it.
And he would and again, at 90 years old, he would still go out, and he would stand on a street corner and preach his heart out to anybody that would listen. And I didn't know him for very long. I I I met him through my my current pastor. He my current pastor actually, studied under him for for a period of time, and, he's a great mentor to my pastor. Mhmm. And I met him through him. And when I was going through a very, very dark period, right around the time when my parents, had died, very quickly I went through a a year and a half of just total loss. I I lost my mom. I lost my well, in order, I lost my dad, my grandmother, my little buddy, my dog, while I was burying my grandmother.
My my wife and I ended our marriage, shortly after that, and then my mom died. And that pastor warned me every step of the way what was gonna happen just based on what I was telling him, and was so prescient in the whole thing that when it was all said and done, he he didn't he he never said, well, I told you. I warned you what was gonna happen with your wife. I warned you, you know, just on, you know, my years of experience that he could have very easily said that, and he didn't. And he counseled me. He cried over me. Mhmm. Prayed over me. Cried with me through the whole thing, and never met the man face to face once.
And Wow. He's just an incredible man of God, and I appreciated him so much. So I understand what you're saying about Chuck Swindoll. Your relationship with him is, like, you may you may have only had a few random experiences with him throughout the course of of your life, you know, in knowing him, but those moments are incredibly profound. Correct. And I've and those are the moments that I've had with this with this pastor, and I I will forever remember those things. I will forever be grateful for those moments. So that that's and so I I, yeah, I I can understand. Alright. So where can the audience get your book, learn more about you, websites, anything?
[01:17:05] Unknown:
Yeah. The the the, book is available on Amazon. Okay. And, and but it's also available through Barnes and Noble and Books a Million and several other places. I do have a website. It's, called New Dimensions International Co. So you can go there. And, I I say in the book, if you wanna contact me, I will I will spend time with you. I'll I'll make that investment. So, I mean that sincerely. I don't know that anybody's gonna take me up on that. But if you go to my website, there's a calendarly, and you can plug in and say, hey. And I'll contact you. We'll talk. And
[01:17:45] Unknown:
all I wanna do is help. That's all I wanna do. I praise the Lord. You know, there needs to be more people out there willing to do stuff like that. And that's that's that's amazing. That is absolutely amazing. Alright. Well, all the information that you gave me
[01:18:01] Unknown:
Sorry. Sorry. I turned
[01:18:03] Unknown:
it off. You're fine. You're fine. So all the information that you put out there, we have on on our our files here. So we're gonna put all of that stuff in all of the show notes. I think it's already in the audio stuff. I just gotta add it to the to the video links. So, as soon as we get that up there, I'll let you know. And, Mark, I really do appreciate you spending the time here with us. I'm really glad we were able to reconnect after the the little scheduling issue yesterday. And, this is a tremendous blessing for me. I would love to sit down and talk to you again some point, so we gotta work on something with that. And, so folks, this has been Mark Matzenbacher.
Right? Got it? Got it. Got it. Alright. Thank you so much, Mark. I really appreciate it. God bless you, and you have a great, great, great weekend ahead of you. You too. Thanks so very much. You're welcome. Take care. Take care now. Bye. Alright, folks. So what we're gonna do here at this point is we are going to take a short break. We're gonna come back and, just got a got a couple things I wanna talk about regarding the show yesterday and some of the some of the things we mentioned and some things that really happened, over the course of, of today that I I find very very interesting in relation to the stuff we talked about yesterday regarding the Epstein, files.
Alright. So folks, don't forget, this is a live show. Weeknights. It's becoming weeknights instead of just a Monday, Wednesday, Friday, but it's becoming and it's it's alright. It's fine. I I I like doing it. It's a lot of fun. And I'm telling you, like I said yesterday, if it wasn't for doing the shows like this, some of these great people that we've spoken to over the especially over the last few days, never would have an opportunity to meet them, and to talk to them, and hear their story. And this is a blessing and a half, and I love it. It's great. So I don't mind doing the shows every single night.
I am tired though, but that's okay. Anyway, so we'll be back in just a few minutes. I gotta go get a refill on the coffee, use little boy's room, and gets things switched around to talk about, some more stuff with, Jeffrey Epstein, and some of these very interesting moves that took place with, the firing of some Secret Service agent. Not the firing, should have been firing, but this suspension of some secret service agents. Alright. So folks, don't forget, this is a live show weeknights, 7PM central time. Saturday, we have a special Saturday show we're gonna be doing, 11AM central time. I'll get you more, excuse excuse me, I'll get you more information on that tomorrow.
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[01:25:12] Unknown:
Up and down, counting out, smiling through the taste of blood in my own mouth. I got bruises and broken bones, but they don't know I ain't in this ring alone. I'm a fighter. No one can back up. That's what I do. I didn't soldier on this far. Just a nudge. Stick your shot.
[01:28:05] Unknown:
Alright. Hey, folks. Welcome back. This is Joe Roos. Welcome back to the Joe Roos Show. Mark Matzenbacher. What'd you think of that? That was a I really enjoyed that conversation. That was a lot of fun. What a smart guy. That was that was really a blessing. Really appreciated that. Looking forward to getting in contact with him again and talking about a few more things. So that was, I hope you guys enjoyed that. Hey, drop a comment down below. Let us know what you think about the, the interview and and, your thoughts going forward. Any comments on that whatsoever? Anything about how the show is going? Any direction whatsoever? Anything you have in mind?
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[01:29:20] Unknown:
Stuff that I grew up with.
[01:29:23] Unknown:
I know. Shut up, Joe. Right? Alright. Well, we're gonna have to take a serious tone here for a moment because, got something that's going on here, in the news, of course, you know, that's very, very troubling. We talked about it last night. When we started talking about it last night, this whole thing with the, the Jeffrey Epstein files, and, so we have some updates on that. We also have some interesting developments with the, US Secret Service, which, I don't know. Something about it doesn't sound too right to me. So here's the question.
Are the events connected? Are these events connected? This issue with the Jeffs the Jeffrey Epstein files, DOJ's reversal on the so called client list, plus the sudden suspension of the six Secret Service agents tied to last year's, assassination attempt on president Trump. So are they connected? Is one a distraction just to bury the other one? Well, last night, what we did is we we kinda dug into this, Epstein saga, if you would. And I don't know if you missed that. You can you can always go back into the the the, the show archives there and get caught up and, you know, specifically, you check out the show from last night. That's where we really started talking about it. We had a a full segment that on that, and we, you know, we talked a lot about the initial file release.
So, what we're gonna do tonight here was we're gonna talk a little bit more in detail about that. We're gonna try to put some things together. So what you need to do is, if you haven't done it already, grab yourself some coffee, maybe an adult beverage, and settle in because this is gonna be pretty interesting. Now, the first thing we wanna start with, we're gonna start off with the whole Jeffrey s Epstein thing. Alright? That's, Jeffrey Epstein is that disgraced financier and convicted sex offender whose connections to, some of the most rich and powerful and famous people have kept his case alive years after his death. Now for those of you new to the story, and I don't know how you could be new to the story, and this is pretty pretty much been all over the place for years already.
Epstein was arrested on, in February on federal sex trafficking charges. He was accused of abusing dozens of underage girls, and then, of course, you know, he died in his Manhattan cell, months later. And, his death was ruled a suicide, which we anyone with common sense can tell you it wasn't a suicide. But of course, you know, the conspiracy theories have have never stopped swirling around this thing, and I personally don't believe it's conspiracy theory to say that Jeffrey Epstein did not, in fact, kill himself. He had ties to very, very important and powerful figures in politics, in finance.
He had connections to Bill Clinton, Prince Andrews, and and and so many others. And those connections, of course, have fueled the speculation about a client list of these elites that were involved in his crimes. Now, last night what we did is we broke down, how this case has become kind of a like a lightning rod for, of distrust in the institutions, like the DOJ, the FBI. Remember back in February, Pam Bondi set the expectations really extremely high. She invited a bunch of, conservative influences like, like Rogan O'Hanley, also known as DC Draino, Kaya Rychik of Libs of TikTok, Scott Pressler, Liz Wheeler, and Chad Prather, and and and and others.
Brought them over to the White House, handed them binders. I don't know if you remember that, but handed them binders that's that, that said, that were labeled the Epstein files phase one. I don't know. Have you remember this? Do you remember that scene outside the White House? And Bondi called this a step forward in lifting the veil on the disgusting actions of Jeffrey Epstein and his co conspirators. But what happened? They opened the binders, and those binders contained about 200 pages of information that were mostly already public record. Flight logs, a redacted black book of contacts.
It was the point. And then also an evidence list from the the Ghislaine Maxwell 2021 trial. There were no new names, no bombshells. And then, representative, Ana Polina Luna, who leads the task force on transparency, took to to x saying, this is not what we or the American people asked for, and a complete disappointment. But you know, Pam Bondi didn't stop there. In a Fox News interview, she claimed that the Epstein client list is sitting on her desk, ready to be reviewed.
[01:35:17] Unknown:
Yeah. I saw your appearance at CPAC with Bannon and with Ted Cruz, and one of the things that you've alluded to, and this is something Donald Trump has talked about, the DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients. Will that really happen?
[01:35:31] Unknown:
It's sitting on my desk right now to review. That's been a directive, by president Trump. I'm reviewing that. I'm reviewing JFK files, MLK files. That's all in the process of being reviewed because that was done at the directive of the president from all of these agencies. So so have you seen anything that you you said, oh my gosh? Not yet.
[01:35:52] Unknown:
Okay. Well, we'll check back with you.
[01:35:54] Unknown:
So she teased a lot of names and a lot of flight logs. Even even even basically alleging that the FBI was withholding thousands of pages including tens of thousands of videos, some potentially showing child sex abuse. She ordered FBI director, Kash Patel, to investigate and deliver all these documents by February 28, and then conservative influencers cheered expecting a reckoning. And we covered all this yesterday, so I'm not gonna jump too far into details that we already covered yesterday. But I want you to fast forward now to this week. Alright? The DOJ has done a complete one eighty, basically leaving president Trump's base and and really anybody that's paying attention to this thing feeling betrayed, confused.
On February, the DOJ and the FBI released a two page memo. You remember this one? They reached a two page memo that was absolutely outrageous. It stated that there was no incriminating client list, even though Pam Bondi just said that there was. It it it said that there was no evidence that Epstein blackmailed prominent individuals and no basis to investigate anyone else in connection with his crimes. They also reaffirmed that that, that Epstein's 2019 suicide backed by hours of jailhouse footage showing nobody entering or exiting the cell that night. But now, here's the red flag that we pointed out last night.
Here here here's the thing that we need to to to pay pay attention to. There's a missing minute in the footage from 11:58 fifty eight PM to 12:00AM. And Pam Bondi claimed that it was just a routine clock reset by the Bureau of Prisons. Well, that's not exactly reassuring, at least not to me. Then you had White House press secretary Carolyn Levitt, who I love. I think she's doing a great job. Clearly uncomfortable in this press conference with this particular issue. She tried to clean it up by saying that that Bonnie was was referring to the entirety of the paperwork in February, not a specific list.
[01:38:44] Unknown:
DOJ and FBI have now concluded there was no Jeffrey Epstein client list. What do you tell MAGA supporters who say they want anyone involved in Jeffrey Epstein's alleged crimes to be held accountable? This administration wants anyone who has ever committed a crime to be held accountable, And I would argue this administration has done more to lock up bad guys than certainly the previous administration.
[01:39:04] Unknown:
And the Trump administration is committed to truth and to transparency. That's why the attorney general and the FBI director, pledged at the president's direction to do an exhaustive review of all of the files related to Jeffrey Epstein's crimes and his death, and they put out a memo in conclusion of that review. There was material they did not release because frankly, it was incredibly graphic and it contained child pornography, which is not something that's appropriate for public consumption. But they committed to an exhaustive investigation. That's what they did, and they provided the results of that. That's
[01:39:39] Unknown:
So the DOJ and if there's a problem with the audio again on the video clips, let just drop me a note and let me know because I was watching it on the monitor and it looked like it was skipping and jumping a little bit. So let me know about that. That's, an issue that we're working on with with, the Rumble developers. So the DOJ admits that they're sitting on 300 gigabytes of material, hard drives, CDs, photos, videos, allegedly depicting child sex abuse. Bondi says, of course these are too graphic to release, and I get that. I get it. Totally get it. I don't wanna see it.
Okay? I I I do not wanna see that and I and and and man, I pray for those agents, those officers that have to sit there and look at that stuff. That that that must be I can't I can't even imagine. But when you've hyped a client list for months, if not more, only to turn around and then say it doesn't exist, well then people start asking questions. They start asking, what are you hiding? You had, Miami Herald reporter Julie k Brown, who's been working on this case for years, says that the client list is a myth. But she does admit that there's that that there's thousands of FBI documents that remain sealed, including details on why the feds failed to, prosecute Epstein earlier.
Tucker Carlson, on his podcast, said that Bondi is covering up crimes, very, very serious crimes.
[01:41:44] Unknown:
The people don't matter in this case. Man, I think this for a bunch of reasons,
[01:41:49] Unknown:
it's so obvious. It is salacious. People have followed it for years. The president promised to reveal the truth about this. Ben Bondi, as you said, went on television, so we have the truth, and we're gonna give it to you. Yes. I think this is kind of I think this is a big deal. It's a really big deal. It's bigger. I well, I hope so too, actually. So let's just assess this logically. They're covering up they're the DOJ the current DOJ under Pam Bondi is covering up crimes. Very serious crimes by their own description. Mhmm. Why are they doing that? Yeah. So there are really only two potential explanations that I can think of. Maybe you've got another. The first is that Trump is involved. That, you know, Trump is on the list. They've got tape of Trump doing something awful. I don't believe that for two reasons. One, I've talked to Trump about it a lot, and I well, I know him. He's not that, you know, for whatever his sins. I don't think he's that guy, actually. I don't think he likes creepy sex stuff. That's my view. But moreover but more, I think, convincing is that this is all information that the Biden administration had. And if there was evidence that Trump had been involved in illegal sexual activity, you you think the people who made up Russiagate wouldn't have leaked it? Right. Come on now. So So the only other explanation I can think of again, maybe you've got another, is that Intel services are at the very center of the story, US and Israeli,
[01:43:11] Unknown:
and they're being protected. I think that seems like most obvious. They have a history of this. There have been multiple documented cases of pedophilia inside of the CIA perpetrated by CIA officers, documented that in many of those cap, I believe, over a dozen cases, this was a BuzzFeed news piece years back where the CIA specifically did not want to prosecute those individuals in federal court for fear that they would reveal sources and methods if they were pulled into open court, and they basically just made it go away. The only time they actually prosecuted somebody, for child pornography was whenever he had already being prosecuted for mishandling classified information. Well, when they want to crush you, they put kiddie porn in your computer. I don't have a computer. It has no don't own one. If you're an important person, you should be careful. No computer in my house. This is an important thing, though, is that we already have documented cases of them covering this up with I believe the CIA inspector general. I forget the exact quote, but he said something along the lines of you wouldn't even believe the amount of child born, you know, that I've seen while I'm on this job. I mean, these are depraved. This guy. Look, I mean, it's a large organization, a small percentage of The US you know, I we can make that argument. I think there is, like, something pathological, you know, kind of in the minds of the people who excel in this type of environment. Of course, it's based on lying. Yes.
[01:44:27] Unknown:
And then you had Steve Bannon on War Room calling the DOJ hand the DOJ's handling of this thing a mismanaged mess. And then, of course, he questioned, Trump's commitment to transparency saying this is not what we were promised. And he's absolutely right. This is not what we were promised. And then Alex Jones went absolutely nuclear. I don't know if you saw it. He posted it up on x. I I was gonna play the clip for you, but it's it's it's over over ten plus minutes long. I don't wanna do that. But he went nuclear in a tear filled video claiming that the DOJ is running cover for the CIA and Mossad. Next, they're gonna tell us that Jeffrey Epstein never existed.
I don't doubt that. I don't doubt that that's gonna come out somewhere that Jeffrey Epstein was just a cover for something else. He called out Bondi Patel, the the FBI director, deputy director Dan Bongino, saying that they that they're losing their souls on live TV. Laura Loomer demanded Bondi's resignation tweeting that everyone is laughing at the Trump administration today. Robbie Starbuck asked, so s s so Epstein was trafficking these girls to nobody? Is Pam Bondi serious? And I don't know if you if you're familiar with Cat Turd. I I can't believe I'm saying that on the show. Cat Turd two with 3,700,000 followers posted on x.
Quote, so all the girls who testified about being raped on Epstein's Island were lying, and Jolaine Maxwell is imprisoned for being the madam for nobody? You gotta think about that, folks. You need to think about that. I'm gonna pause here for a second. We we have we're gonna have some more information on this Epstein fallout and the secret service suspensions and all that stuff coming up, but I have to do a read here. So Pod Home, my host platform for my audio. Host, pop yeah. Okay. I'm tired. Podhome.fm is the most modern and easy to use podcast platform out there.
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So folks, this Epstein case is just a black hole of unanswered questions, and the DOJ's claim that, that there's no client list hasn't even calmed it. It if they intended that to calm the storm, well, it didn't. It it did the exact opposite of it. It just stirred up even more. One of the loudest voices that you've heard recently is Elon Musk. Now we all know that Elon Musk has been feuding with president Trump since leaving the administration back in May. Musk went on to on to x, and he posted and then deleted the claim that Trump's name is in the unreleased Epstein files, suggesting the DOJ's reversal is about protecting powerful figures including president Trump. He didn't offer any evidence to back up the claim, and Trump fired back on Truth Social citing his his, his former lawyer, David Shone, who said the DOJ has nothing tying Trump to Epstein's crimes. Now think about this logically. If Donald Trump was actually involved in any of this, don't you think that the Biden administration of all administrations would have done everything in their power to make sure that you, the American public, knew that Donald Trump was involved with Jeffrey Epstein?
Don't you think that those things would have been released? Of course. And then Elon Musk put out a meme mocking the DOJ, and their their their no list claim, and that went viral before it before he pulled it down. But of course, that sparked a spark a firestorm. Everybody watches what Elon Musk does. Other other users are next piled on, you know, some accusing Musk of pushing a narrative to undermine Trump, or others, you know, praise them for keeping the pressure on. But let's talk about some of the names. Let's talk about some of the names in the files that we do have.
I gotta I gotta do something really quick. Hold on. Let's refresh this because Let's see if that cleared up at all. No. We are once again experiencing, the stream degradation. Oh my gosh. That's terrible. Look at that. Horrible. But let's talk about some of the names, shall we? Court documents from Virginia Giuffre's 2015 lawsuit against Gilane Maxwell, unsealed in January 2024, named over a 150 people. A 150 people connected to Epstein, including former presidents Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew, Alan Dershowitz, and and I can go on.
But here's the catch. Most of the mentions were incidental. Alright. Not at not any indications of of any kind of wrongdoing. And then, Giuffre, coincidentally, died by suicide. I think it was last week. She alleged abuse by Prince Andrew, and that led to a settlement between the two of them. Bill Clinton appears in the flight logs, taking multiple trips to Epstein's pry on on Epstein's private plane called the Lolita Express, but he's denied visiting Epstein's little Saint James Island. Donald Trump's name shows up, one time in a, 2001 casino visit.
But Giuffre testified that she was never alone with him, and she never witnessed him doing anything inappropriate. No misconduct. Alan Dershowitz was accused by Giuffre, but settled in a defamation suit with her in 02/2022. Then you have, Jean Luc Brunel. He faced serious allegations. Brunel was indicted for rape, but then he died in 02/2022, and his death was ruled a suicide. So that's what we have. What's really frustrating is what we don't have. That's what's frustrating. The DOJ's 300 gigabytes of material, hard drives, videos, phones, all of that remain under wraps.
Bondi says that some of it's too graphic, citing child sex abuse material, and and I respect that. I I hey. I don't wanna see it. Like I said earlier, I don't wanna see it. But all that does is it fuels the secrecy. Well, all the secrecy does is fuel the suspicion. In 02/2008, Epstein received a very lenient plea deal in Florida thirteen months in county jail. Thirteen months with work release. If that doesn't just smack of a lead protection, I don't know what does. Brown's reporting suggests that the FBI had evidence of interstate trafficking years earlier, but didn't act. Well, why is that?
Why? Those sealed documents might tell us, but now he can't, because they're still locked away. Glenn Beck on, his Blaze TV show tweeted this. The Epstein files are a total joke. The Epstein files are a total joke. Who's subverting POTUS? And then Roseanne Barr got involved in this. She took a direct shot at Trump on on ex posting this. Mister president, yes. We still care about Epstein. Is there a time not to care about child sex trafficking? Read the damn room. Then you had Charlie Kirk, Attorney Point USA, called the DOJ's memo a slap in the face to every victim demanding, where are the arrests?
Where are the arrests? It's a great question. Another post, the DOJ wants us to believe that Epstein ran a trafficking ring for nobody. Sure. So as you look at social media, it's it's pretty clear. People feel like they're being gaslit. People are not buying the no list line, especially after Bonnie's promises. Another person posted, this has left the base blackpilled. We're done with the games. And then, of course, you know, the missing footage from the from from the from the jail doesn't help. The DOJ said it was a clock reset. But when you've got a case this explosive with with a dead financier and elite connections, every single gap looks suspicious.
Alex Jones said that missing minute is where the truth lives. They're mocking us. Bannon said on on his war room show that the DOJ's reversal is a deep state move to protect the machine even under a Trump administration. If there's nothing to hide, why hide the 300 gigabytes? Show the files. What's if there's nothing to hide, why are you hiding it? And you know, it's not it's not just the conservatives that are that are are are complaining about this. You know, all across social media, all across the spectrum, people are demanding transparency.
A a a a hashtag that's been trending on x now is release the files. Now we're not done with the s Epstein stuff yet, but we're also we're also gonna be diving into some of the secret service suspensions, which some where some folks are calling a distraction from all this mess. But folks, before we get into that, I wanna tell you a little bit about our affiliation with the Alex Jones store. Alright. Head over to the alexjonesstore.com/joe, and shop from a wide variety of vitamins, supplements, and patriotic apparel. You guys know I've been taking the ultimate iris sea moss, I've been taking the turmeric, I've been taking the, the, ultra methylene blue. Stuff is amazing. Now, I've added the Shilajit to it, And, folks, when I tell you this stuff is amazing, it works, you need to check it out for yourself. Head over to the alexjonesstore.com/joe.
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This incident that and, you know, using the term incident such a an understatement. But this incident which left president Trump's ear grazed by a bullet and firefighter Corey Compreter dead was an absolute catastrophic security failure. Back in December, there was a bipartisan house task force that called this preventable. Slamming the Secret Service for unacceptable security lapses, including poor coordination with local law enforcement, failure to failure to use available technology to spot the shooter, a 20 year old named Thomas Matthew Crooks, before he fired. The funny thing is is that the people because I was watching the rally on TV when this took place. I was stunned by what I saw.
And then the follow-up investigation work that took place, not by professionals, but by the citizenry. Compelling, making reports that they saw Thomas Crooks walking around with a gun, climbing up onto the top of the roof. They reported it, but nobody did anything about it. Deputy director Matt Quinn told CBS News that the agency, of course, is now gonna be deploying military grade drones and mobile command post to prevent future failures. Great. Beautiful. Wonderful. Very happy about that. But you know what? Let's cut to the chase here. Okay? Let let let's get down to to where the cow can grab the cabbage. Why suspensions and not firings?
And why now? A year later. The Secret Service internal review found that operational failures took place. Operational failures, but only six agents are facing discipline? And and and don't you think that the penalty seemed a little on the light side for an incident that nearly killed a former president and a presidential candidate? And also took the life of an innocent bystander? You know, there there are differing opinions on this. You know, some so there are some people out there that that praise the suspensions as, you know, a step forward, a step toward accountability.
You know, one post read that I that I saw said, finally some consequences for the Secret Service incompetence. Other people see it just as a slap on the wrist. There's one person commenting suspensions for letting a sniper almost take out Trump, fire them all. But for me, I don't I don't know about for you, but for me, it's the timing of this whole thing. It's the timing that's making me question it. It's just come it comes just days after the DOJ's Epstein memo, and and logically people are calling it a distraction. Another another person on social media commented Trump the Trump administration is rolling out suspensions to bury the Epstein flop. Classic misdirection.
Again, Tucker Carlson, on his podcast, linked the suspensions to to, to to to to broader government failure saying, quote, the Secret Service botched Butler just like the DOJ botched Epstein. This is what happens when institutions protect themselves over the public. These suspensions are just a pathetic attempt at accountability. That's all it is. That's all it is. If Trump wasn't the president, would we even see any of this? It's all theater, folks. All of this is theater to distract you from the Epstein cover up. The DOJ and the Secret Service are hiding the truth about Epstein and about Butler, and they are doing it in lockstep.
What you are seeing being played out in right in front of you is deep state damage control. That's what you're seeing. Having six agents suspended, is is that is that is that justice for Corey Compertor's family? Would you consider that justice for them? Suspensions? First they hide the first they hide the Epstein files, now they toss in a few suspensions just, you know, basically just to shut us up. I may look dumb, but I'm not. So are the secret service suspensions a distraction from the Epstein fallout? Well, let's take a look at that. Let's try to connect the dots here. The Epstein case is a master class in eroding trust.
Masterful. Master class. Bondi's February hype about a client list, of course, set the expectations high, only for the DOJ to deliver 200 pages of rehashed documents and now claim that there's there's no list, there's no blackmail, no further probes. The missing minute in Epstein's jail footage and 300 gigabytes of unreleased material, hard drives, videos, photos just fuel the suspicion of cover up. The MAGA base, the conservative base, already frustrated, feels betrayed. Don't you? Laura Loomer has been very vocal about calling for Bondi's resignation. Charlie Kirk demands for, his demands for arrests.
And then, of course, as all of this outrage peaks, the Secret Service announces suspensions for an incident from a year ago. The timing is perfect and suspect. I mean, why? Why now? Why act now when when the Butler report was out in December? December. Why suspensions instead of firings? Why? They should all be fired. They should all go to jail. You know, the the DOJ the DOJ's Epstein memo and, you know, and all the stuff with the Secret Service, all of it points to a crisis of trust. I'm gonna ask you again. If there's nothing to hide, why withhold 300 gigabytes of Epstein material?
Why the light penalties for a near assassination? You know, there are some theories out there that, you know, the Trump administration is orchestrating distractions to shift from from bondage missteps. One social media post that I saw said, Epstein files fizzle, so they toss us secret service suspensions. Same old Washington game. Now look folks, I'm not saying that this is like some grand conspiracy, but if you connect the dots and you really look at it, the pattern's hard to ignore. It's hard to ignore. Remember, the Epstein case has names like Clinton, Prince Andrew, and that there's no accountability.
There is no new accountability. The Secret Service The Secret Service failure cost a life, and only six agents face temporary discipline. When the government hides documents and delays justice, it's not an accident. It's a choice. Steve Bennett said the deep state doesn't need to conspire. It just needs to stonewall and and Alex Jones. I love Alex Jones, and I think he hits the nail on the head. He said this, this is a unified front to protect the elite from Epstein's Island to Butler's rooftop. So folks, I wanna leave you with this. Is the DOJ hiding Epstein's truth to protect powerful people?
Is that what this is all about? Are the secret service suspensions a genuine reckoning or just a distraction from the files? I wanna know what you think. Let me know what you think. Drop a comment down below in the comment section, or email me @infoatjoeroos.com. Joe roos [email protected]. I really wanna know what you guys think about this, and, we'll pull some of those comments out in the next show, and we'll talk about those comments, but, you gotta send them. So send them on over to us, let us know what you think about it. Alright. Well, folks, I think, I think we should, wrap this up. We're over two hours, and, two hours on a night I wasn't planning on doing a show. So, alright. Well, with all of that said, my friends, I just wanna give our shout outs, of course, to our executive producers, Wayne Rankin, our executive producer, Rosanna Rankin, our executive producer, Carolina Jimenez, and our producer, missus producer, anonymous Angela.
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Introduction and Housekeeping
Guest Introduction: Mark Matzenbacher
Mark's Personal Journey and Book
Turning Personal Pain into Impact
Mentors and Life Lessons
Designing Days to Inspire
Overcoming Obstacles to Fulfillment
Generosity and Its Challenges
Embracing the Gift of Giving
Quotes and Inspirations
Thomas Jefferson and American History
Influential Figures and Mentors
Show Break and Transition
Epstein Case and DOJ Controversy
Secret Service Suspensions and Timing
Connecting the Dots: Epstein and Secret Service
Conclusion and Audience Engagement
