In this episode, Joe is bringing a packed show featuring a special guest, Charley Johnson. Charley, a trailblazing Chief Consciousness Officer, discusses the importance of consciousness in business and politics, explaining how this new role can help bridge gaps and reduce division. The conversation delves into the concept of consciousness, its impact on organizational dynamics, and how it can lead to more effective leadership and decision-making.
Additionally, the episode covers the controversial topic of Afrikaner refugees from South Africa being granted asylum in the United States. Joe discusses the political and racial tensions surrounding this issue, highlighting the persecution faced by these farmers in South Africa. The episode also touches on President Trump's successful economic agreements in the Middle East, showcasing his administration's efforts to strengthen international relations and boost the U.S. economy.
(00:01:09) Introduction and Housekeeping
(00:08:01) Interview with Charlie Johnson: Chief Consciousness Officer
(00:52:17) Discussion on South African Refugees
(01:49:29) President Trump's Middle East Trip and Achievements
(01:57:26) Homeland Security Hearing and Political Commentary
(02:03:10) RFK Jr.'s Testimony on Health and Human Services
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(00:01:09) Introduction and Housekeeping
(00:08:01) Interview with Charlie Johnson: Chief Consciousness Officer
(00:52:17) Discussion on South African Refugees
(01:49:29) President Trump's Middle East Trip and Achievements
(01:57:26) Homeland Security Hearing and Political Commentary
(02:03:10) RFK Jr.'s Testimony on Health and Human Services
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[00:08:04] Unknown:
I can hear you. How about can you hear me? There you go.
[00:08:08] Unknown:
Came in a little hot there, but alright. That's good. Oh, boy. That's good. Folks, so let me introduce Charlie to you. Charlie Johnson is a this is now this is from your, this is from your profile. Alright? So I'm gonna read this here. So, Charlie Charlie Johnson is a trailblazing chief consciousness officer who's gonna help us explore why every company and every political party needs a CCO. Charlie unpacks what it means to lead with awareness and intention in both business and civic like life. Well, Charlie, welcome to the podcast. It is great to have you here. I know we had a couple of misfires, you know, scheduling issues. But, I'm really glad we got that all straightened out. I was really looking forward to this because, I've never heard of a chief consciousness officer.
I have a regular job. I work I work in a in a corporate setting as well, and I was asking around a little bit to some of the higher ups, and, they're not really too familiar with this. So this is this something new? Is this something that, that's unique with, with you? Is is this your creation?
[00:09:13] Unknown:
Yes. So it's it's brand new. It's, it's just a couple months old. Luckily, individuals like yourself are allowing us to talk about this and spread some, some awareness about it. I've done to to see how quickly time is speeding up on this planet, to see how quickly consciousness is shifting, I've done 60 of the close to 60 of these in just the past four weeks. A lot of hosts, have admittedly said that I would not had you on as soon as three months ago. So there's quite a shift happening on this planet. They're very interested kinda like yourself. They've not heard about this. They hear chief consciousness officer, and they think of CEO. Basically, it gets the CMO, CFO, chief human resources officer, chief people officer.
But this is this is brand new. There was a lady who tried it about fifteen years ago. I've, spoken with her. She's kinda passed the baton on. She did it specifically with, a friend of hers at an organization her friend owned, and it was more of a, like, a marketing. Like, she wanted to come in with consciousness in marketing to better understand the customer. This position now is a a secret weep a secret weapon to everyone within the organization.
[00:10:22] Unknown:
Okay. So so, what exactly would a chief consciousness officer do in the corporate setting?
[00:10:32] Unknown:
Everything is consciousness. Okay. Everything physical and nonphysical consciousness itself has been within the organization since the beginning of time. What has happened is we have all had a blank check and businesses and individuals and organizations have cashed it for a hundred dollars. If I had a blank check, I assume you're the same. If I had a carte blanche, I'd be cashing that thing for a billion, 10 billion. I I would just cash it and it would just be unlimited. Right? Unlimited resources. Easily. Everything we've ever known, been taught about, worked on, learned with, the only tool we've ever known, the only thing that anyone's ever talked about is this.
This mind of ours is as Einstein put the same mind that creates a problem can't solve it. This is the middle man. This is the divided tool that is continuously saying I'm Republican, you're Democrat. I don't like you. I'm Catholic, I'm atheist. Constantly creating the conflict and division within this organ within the world. Right? And just by simply looking at the world today, we've never had so much division and conflict. The inside of business, the division between the gap between executives and employees is continuously widening. Burnout, retention rates, stress, people trying to find their purpose, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
We have had twenty years now, probably twenty five years of wellness programs. Right? Mindfulness, meditation, tai chi, yoga, etcetera. My question behind that is is how is it working? It's it's created incredible amounts of conflict and vision. The people's heart have been in the right place. HR did it for the right reasons. The executives did it for the right reasons. But one thing we did not bring into the discussion is consciousness, is the levels of consciousness. Is when we brought in a wellness program with the kindness of our heart. Here in the West, we've got a lot of Catholic and Baptist and atheists. As soon as they were asked to meditate, they thought it was Buddhist and they were immediately turned off by it. Yeah. Right? Yeah. We've got to better understand the individuals. We got to better understand their beliefs. We got to better understand what consciousness is at a very neutral level.
This position becomes a secret weapon for every c suite, becomes a secret weapon for customer service. It expands the awareness, so everyone's here. Mhmm. It expands the awareness for marketing, for sales, for HR, for the CFO, for the CEO, for customer service, everyone. As soon as the company starts to under understand the neutrality of this position, that this man or woman does not have a dog in the fight, does not care if you're Republican or Democrat, Catholic or atheist, it becomes a very powerful position.
[00:12:57] Unknown:
So how how would a company actually find a a chief consciousness officer?
[00:13:02] Unknown:
Well, being so new, through podcasts such as yourself, and that's why I'm doing so much outreach with this, kind of pioneering this position. The best way to relate it is to thirty years ago when technology took over business. Right? Everyone knew the Internet was gonna be a big thing. Everyone wanted a new website. Every every intelligent person within the organization knew technology was gonna be massive moving forward. Did anyone in the organization know how to put a website up, code, or create a URL? Absolutely not. Right. So they looked into the corner like, oh, you know those weird dudes over there that we paid no attention to? Shit. Let's hire them. We needed a CTO. Now a CTO is a staple within the c the c suite because of technology. Well, technology is gonna be there. It's always there. It's AI now. Right? It's expanding.
The center of humanity is going to be consciousness. It's always been consciousness, but now we're becoming aware of it. Okay. Because this middleman is creating all the division and conflict, and we're trying to understand what's past the mind. Where did the mind come from? How can we expand our awareness? Well, you don't expand the awareness through the mind. You expand the awareness through consciousness. I'm gonna have to assume the companies, just like a CTO, are gonna want someone on staff, like a chief consciousness officer who's neutral and understands both sides of the story and understands consciousness at a very high clear level. Okay.
[00:14:20] Unknown:
So how would you how would you, I guess, integrate consciousness into the day to day business and into business operations?
[00:14:30] Unknown:
Very simply, it's already been there. So just they're gonna say, what is consciousness? And I would say, well, there's a wise fish swimming through the ocean. He swims by two young fish and says, hey, boys. How's the water? The two young fish look at each other and say, what the hell's water? That's consciousness. You and I are swimming in it right now. Your listeners are swimming in it right now. Consciousness is everything physical and nonphysical. Okay. Whether they understand that, whether they believe with that or not, it's something they can unhear, it's something they can unlearn. Right? Okay. And then we bring attention to this thing, this brain of ours, this mind of ours that is continuously saying, that individual may have the best answer in the world and may have something that works for me, but the Republican, I can't trust them. I'm Democrat.
Catholics and atheists. Right? We've been doing this same shit since the beginning of humanity. We have 10,000 books on happiness. We've never been so unhappy. We have every book and every individual and every coach and professional and expert talking about life hacks. We've never had more access to information and knowledge. We've never had more access to everything we think we need. We never we've never spent more money on obesity. We've never been so fat. Mhmm. We're missing something here. Okay. We're missing something. We've done this since the beginning of humanity. We truly believe at some point in the future, so one side's gonna win, the other side's gonna lose, and we're just gonna go off into this utopic ideal. No. We're continuously dividing each other. It's gotten worse currently right now.
We gotta go past the mind. We gotta use the mind, not have the mind use us like a slave. We've gotta go into the source. We gotta go into consciousness. And just bringing awareness to that, which everyone already is, it doesn't matter their intelligence, it doesn't matter their level of clarity, just understanding that is kinda like the four minute mile. Four minute mile is absolutely impossible. Someone ran it. Oh, shit. Then a thousand people ran it. We just gotta bring awareness to what this is. Okay.
[00:16:23] Unknown:
Okay. So now say for example, someone like myself. Alright. I'm I'm a I'm a small business technically. Okay. I'm I'm mainly with the podcast and such. How would I bring the consciousness approach into what I do without having a chief consciousness officer? Does that make sense? Yeah. These conversations.
[00:16:48] Unknown:
Googling consciousness, understanding consciousness. Just the simple fact that we're having this conversation, bringing your awareness to it, your listeners to it. From this point forward, you're going to look at consciously consciousness differently. Right? You're going to see it differently. It's going to pop up in your awareness. It's gonna be something you talk about. It's gonna be something you Google. It's gonna be something you see in a book that you didn't see before. Maybe something in an article you're like, oh, shit. That's what he was talking about. Right? And all it's gonna do is it take you from here, and it's gonna slowly expand your awareness. Now if all you've been is here, which is the vast majority of the planet is here, the only thing you see, your solutions, your problems, your answers, your questions are only in this little tiny purview. You expand, you have access to the whole.
So if we're looking for solutions, if we're looking to be better with the planet, better humanity, better spouses, better kids, better parents, better whatever, Everything we've done is right here, and it doesn't seem to be really working out too well for us. If we get more people to expand their awareness, compassion, empathy, access to knowledge, access to different solutions, different problems, different questions, We're just looking to expand awareness, and that happens through consciousness.
[00:17:56] Unknown:
Yeah. And that it actually does make sense because as you were talking, I I was thinking about how when I first came across your information, and I was kinda looking through studying what consciousness officers are, trying to do some background research on it, see if there's any information out there on it. And then, of course, looking up, well, what exactly does that term mean, consciousness? You know, it did. It it did kinda open my mind up to to which is the reason why I wanted to sit down and talk to you. You know, I wanted to to bring this out and what I wanted the the audience to hear this. Yes. Thank you. This is the this is to me, it's very interesting. I I've I've I'm fascinated by these these topics, you know. Not not in the same vein as what you're doing, but, like, I'm very interested. I don't know if you're familiar with doctor Steven Greer and and the work that Yeah. I love his shit. Uh-huh. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
You know, I'm I am extremely interested and fascinated by, you know, his CE five, protocols and Mhmm. And things like that. And that all kinda goes into this. And believe it or not, it'd be funny when you when you actually research consciousness, how many references come up to doctor Greer in the work excuse me? Well, that's that's that's what I mean by the future. Yeah. So when those boys from the sky come down and it's official, which is gonna be very soon. Mhmm.
[00:19:13] Unknown:
K? You you you see how normal we're talking about this. Yeah. I mean, you you understand consciousness. You understand that every sci fi movie that out there is just a coming attraction. Of course. It starts as a thought. Mhmm. Everything doctor Greer is talking about is as as normal as you and I talking on a podcast, is as normal as driving a car, eating food. We we think it's so magical and mystical because it's unknown to most people, but everything is in consciousness. Everything is consciousness, physical and nonphysical. Knowledge is structured in consciousness. Anything we've ever learned, anything we've ever thought of, anything we've ever read in a book or someone's opinion, studied by Doctor. Greer, watched him on YouTube, is consciousness.
We're it. So we have access to all of that. So when it comes to doctor Greer, when you when you listen to him for the first time for some people, and and it doesn't sound like you or your listeners, whatever, you probably been listening to him for quite some time. I have. Yes. That's that's as normal as it gets. Just normal as me sitting right here because it's all consciousness. Nothing is impossible outside of consciousness. We just have a very limited perception. So anything outside of it, like, wow, that's God, I don't know if that's real. It's real.
Everything's everything is literally real. Everything is a starts as a thought. Everything's structured in consciousness. It becomes reality. That's just the way it is. That's amazing. I,
[00:20:32] Unknown:
I just had a thought and I lost it. It'll it'll come back. That's what happened. I'm getting old, so, you know, I'm gonna be I'm gonna be 55 this year, so I'm starting to catch up to me here. But, but but, but I guess another way of describing consciousness would be awareness. Would would you say that's accurate fairly accurate?
[00:20:54] Unknown:
Awareness is, a part of consciousness, meaning it gives we're aware. I'm I'm looking at you right now. Mhmm. Right? We awareness is there, but we've been given these five senses through consciousness to touch touch, see, smell, touch whatever you wanna say. Right? Awareness is, our thoughts, our processes, being aware, seeing, hearing stuff. Consciousness birthed it all. Consciousness birthed everything physical and nonphysical. And the big difference is is a lot of people will think of consciousness and conscious. You and I are conscious right now. If we get hit in the head, we go unconscious. Correct. Yeah. That is a verb. That's a I see, I'm conscious, I'm unconscious, I smell, I touch, I feel. Consciousness to me is a noun because it has created everything, the universe, our galaxies, our planets, our aliens or not aliens, the physical body, the thoughts, everything. Consciousness to me is a noun.
Conscious
[00:21:45] Unknown:
is a verb. It's not the same thing. And how long have you been studying this?
[00:21:50] Unknown:
Probably about fifteen years. And the the greatest thing I had going for me is I had no clue. Mhmm. I did not have a religious or spiritual background. I had no understanding of it whatsoever. So when I cross when I cross paths with my teacher, I mean, an individual that, I can't understand this. I can't overstate this enough. He's he's he's someone people would leave their their world behind, leave their their family behind and go to India and just live this best rest their life with. Right? Okay. And most people who do cross this path will never be seen again.
Something in my karma in this incarnation brought me back to bridge the gap between that and business and the vast majority of the humans that don't give two shits about what you and I are talking about. I see. But we can help them go from second to third, fourth grade to help all the whole. Right? Mhmm. What he did to me when he started having me read all of the books and showing me all the powers and showing me everything like that was not to fill my mind, kinda like that cup of yours. You know, the old Zen story of, the teacher pouring the cup of tea and the student's like, hey, man, the the cup's full. And the teacher's like, yeah, I can't teach anything new when your mind's like that cup. He wasn't filling my mind. He was stripping it all away. He was allowing me to get to the point on my own to see, I just read every book on every religion in the world.
My god. They're all the same thing. Why is there so much? Why are we killing each other over this? How can we not see that it's all coming from the same source? How can two Harvard grad one seventy IQ individuals be at each other's throats because one one's Republican and one's Democrat? Mhmm. How is it that when I ask the question, what's better heads or tails? And people say, well, they're the same. No shit. How are we not understanding that since the beginning of time, we've created division and conflict. And we are we we claim to be very advanced right now with technology and everything else, yet we've never been so divided and conflicted. That's true.
So he stripped every bias and condition away so that I could see this conversation that we're having, take very complex issues, simplify it and say, hey, We're we're something's missing here because you're the heads, they're the tails, and you guys are fighting over each other. It's the same coin. What are we missing? So kind of bringing awareness to that.
[00:24:06] Unknown:
Now you you mentioned politics earlier, and you mentioned it again here now. How would a chief consciousness officer, impact politics or political organizations?
[00:24:18] Unknown:
So again so think about it. Think about politics. What do they always claim? They're trying to bridge the gap, trying to go over the aisle, trying to be bipartisan, trying to create less division and conflict when they're one of the worst divided and conflicted, organizations within the world, within the planet. Right? Mhmm. Imagine having someone on staff that legitimately day in and day out is talking about this, Talking to the chief of staff, talking to the congressman, talking to the to the people in the White House, talking to anyone in politics no matter state or local, state or federal level. Having someone on staff that just brings in different questions is neutral. Truly doesn't have a dog in the fight. Imagine someone on either side of the aisle bringing in someone who's neutral.
Their message is they want to be neutral. They want to swing. They want to help. Humanity's moving that way. This division and conflict, people are sick of it, right? Now, we keep creating it because we're not in the understanding of how we create it, we really think the other side's creating it, we're just angels over here and vice versa. But having a CCO on staff in the political environment is gonna do the same thing it does in business. It's going to start to take here, this awareness, and start to expand it. Once you expand it, you can't close back up.
You can't have someone talk to an intelligent person and say, please tell me if the heads or tails of the coin is better. I see. Just they can't unhear that. They can't unlearn it. That's gonna change everything. Truly, I know it sounds childish. I know it sounds simple. We always like complexity. We always like really intelligent big fat words to make us feel like we're smarter. No. The intelligence on this planet is very limited because we we silo ourselves off. The intelligence is getting in intelligence gets in the way of our expansion of consciousness. Isn't there because we have beliefs. Isn't there a saying that that says something to the effect of, I'm gonna mangle it, but, sometimes the the simplest answer? Occam's razor is the best. Yeah. It's the best answer. Yeah. Yeah. So NASA did a study. They followed a few thousand kids. At the ages of four and five, 90 eight percent were considered genius. By the time that those kids were adults, it was two percent.
If you don't think that applies to 8,000,000,000 people on this planet, you're out of your mind. So we have this vast resource of consciousness, which is everything, which is neutral, which has the understanding that both sides are doing the same thing. And then we I'm this, I'm that, I hate this, I don't like this, I'm in this country, I like my religion, my politics. We take this vast resource, we cram our minds into this tiny little box, which is restricted, and then we just create conflict. Pretty simple.
[00:26:45] Unknown:
It is. So we just gotta bring awareness to it. Yeah. You make it sound simple. Mhmm. Yeah. But but for someone who this is completely a new world to Oh, yeah. I know. It's it's gonna be going, like, through growing pains now.
[00:27:01] Unknown:
No. I I completely understand. But let's let's let's bring levels of consciousness into this conversation. So it does it's not going to be a massive shift when it comes to that. But if I'm a CEO and I come up to you and say, would you rather have fifth graders as employees or second graders? They're going to say fifth because they're more self sustaining. They can communicate better a little bit more emotionally stable. They can feed themselves. Maybe they're a little bit smarter with math. Right? Mhmm. There are different levels of consciousness on this planet. And it's like saying, we don't get mad at an eight year old for being in second grade, and a 16 year old in tenth grade is not better than the eight year old. Just different levels. That's just just the way it is.
Okay. We can subtly shift someone from second to third or fifth fourth grade. On a universal planetary scale, that is absolutely massive if we take 10,000,000 people that way. Right? So it doesn't really matter if it's new. It doesn't matter if they understand it. It doesn't matter if they're completely against it. But just like the four minute mile, as soon as they hear it, the seeds planted, the universe is an incredible gardener. It will grow, and it will expand their awareness no matter what. Alright. I see where you go. I see where you can go with that.
[00:28:11] Unknown:
Yeah. I I get it. I get it. Now, when when it comes to, kinda wanna stick with politics for a little bit because politics is kinda like Please. My other, Please. You know, background there. If you if you were to be hired as a chief consciousness officer for a political party, what would your top what would your top priority be? What would be the first thing that you would wanna bring to the organization?
[00:28:41] Unknown:
Neutrality. Okay. And not to not to the specific specific side because that's unreasonable. But if the individual, whatever side chose a chief consciousness officer, they would at least be open to it. That's all I need. I just need I just need to stick my toe on the door. Mhmm. And then I'm just on staff. I'm hanging out. Maybe in most meetings, I don't say shit. Maybe I've just observed. Maybe I get to better understand that party. Maybe I get to better understand the chief of staff. Maybe I get to better understand who that politician is. And I start to get to understand who they are, what books they read, what they really like. Right? And then I'm gonna start asking different questions because I'm not gonna come from I'm for them or against them. They're legitimately gonna have someone on staff that is just sitting there neutral trying to help them expand what they said they wanted to do. They wanted to make the world better. They wanted to make their constituents better. They wanted to make their party better. They wanted to see if they could bridge the gap and be truly bipartisan because I truly believe that both sides do. They just don't they don't really understand how to. Right? They don't have the knowledge that we're talking about. But if they have someone on staff, maybe we could inch our way along. Okay. And maybe what if both sides start hiring chief consciousness officers?
So it's kinda like, in Moneyball when, Billy Beane almost gets hired by the Red Sox Oh, yeah. Yeah. And he says the first one through the wall always gets bloody. Okay. I'll get bloody because my history of my business, my nonprofit, my ten years with my teacher obviously put me into a position here. And as much as I spent ten years trying to suppress this aggression and passion I have and tried to be like my teacher where it was cool, calm, and collect, and it's all love, obviously, it didn't work because it wasn't authentic to me. So as as much as everyone has a certain skill they bring to this world, my skill is complex issues, bring back to simplicity and being neutral.
I mean, my question always is, do you know someone neutral? I haven't yet to have someone say no. I haven't You know what? So many people claim to be neutral and and
[00:30:39] Unknown:
but No. There there really isn't. Everybody has everybody has some type of political leaning in one way or another, and I and I think that would be a challenge for somebody as a as a, chief conscious consciousness officer to to even put aside their own, I don't wanna say biases because I know biases has, like, a negative connotation to it. But Mhmm. But there is a you know, everybody does have a political bias in one way or another. Everybody thinks a certain way. It it would be wouldn't I I guess, would come with training, wouldn't it? Well, let me let me say this. Let me say this.
[00:31:12] Unknown:
Like the fish and water, what's water? Okay. You know, when you say everyone had no. All we've paid attention to is who's against us and who's for us. There is a group of individuals that no one pays attention to because you know what neutrality does to people? They don't know what they don't know what to do. Someone came up to me one time, and this has happened many times, someone came up to me, he's like, so did you hear what Trump did? I was like, no, I don't give a shit. He's like, oh, you're a Biden guy? I'm like, no, I don't give a shit about that either. He's like, oh, you're like my son, you're an anarchist. I'm like, no, not that either. He literally looked at me like a like his computer in his vent froze.
He turned and walked away. Yeah. Because he couldn't process beyond that. He couldn't process that I didn't I I didn't care. I was I I was not on one side and have a dog in the fight. I see the whole picture. I see the division and conflict created. Right? So I do understand that people would say you're gonna have some type of bias and conditioning. There are a group of individuals in the middle that no one pays attention to. They're not religious. They're not spiritual. They're not Republican. They're not Democrat. They're not Catholic. They're not atheist. They're kinda just hanging out. They're just there. Basically waiting for a time like this. And if I have to be the person that brings this position to the forefront, then that's that's what I've been chosen to do. That's perfectly fine with me. But it sounds like a dream job to a lot of people because I've had hundreds across my past saying, holy shit, man. This is exactly what I've been looking for. Cool.
Let's see if we can bring enough awareness to business and corporations and politics to to have someone,
[00:32:43] Unknown:
bite on it, which I assume is gonna happen soon. And I I would also imagine that there's gonna be people, like like you said, oh, this is, like, the dream job, you know, that will kinda grift off of this too. I mean
[00:32:54] Unknown:
Yeah. Like, the take chief technology officer, there was good ones, and then there was really terrible ones. Yeah. Yeah. So so in in in their realm, when they hear chief consciousness officer, there's a lot of spiritual people like, I knew it was gonna work, bro. Like, they got loose fitting white clothing, wearing mala beads, hugging a tree thinking this is spiritual. It's not. Yeah. Right. Let me let me make that very clear to your listeners watching or listening. This is not spiritual because when people tell me I'm not religious, I'm spiritual, you're the heads to the tails of the coin. You know the dogma you left behind in religion you didn't like? You think it was freedom and spirit? You created the same amount of dogma and boxes and structure. Spirituality is just a new religion. Right? I don't have a problem with that. I'm just bringing I'm just saying what it is. Right?
This is not a spiritual thing. This individual has to have a business background because we're not trying to tear down capitalism and stop money and take the structure, capitalism, businesses, all of that. That's not the problem. The people are the problem. It's not evil. Money's not evil. None of that stuff's evil. And all the people who wanna tear the system down, they have nothing to rebuild it with. So what are we gonna do? It's the world's gonna be even worse. Right. What we can do is Trojan horse this and take the clarity of the planet from a level three out of 10 to a level four or five. That is a massive shift for 8,000,000,000 people. Trust
[00:34:13] Unknown:
me. Yeah. And and like you said, you know, money is not evil, but it's No. It's but it's a necessary evil. There you go. You know? And that's and that's unfortunate. That's the way it is. And, I come from a I come from a, a born again Christian background, and, you know, one of the one of the main verses that that I learned very early on is, like, the if the love of money is the root of all evil. There you go. Okay. So, and that's in the book of Proverbs. So, so, yeah, I I can I can totally relate to what you're saying with that? But and the that now okay. Well, take it from from, from someone in in with my background, because because, you know, in in in most Orthodox Christian, Orthodox Catholic, born again backgrounds, when they as soon as somebody hears the phrase consciousness and, again, meditation, meditating, because you mentioned that very early on, You know, all of a sudden, the red flags pop up that this is some kind of a new age, you know, quote, unquote religion that that is is, like, almost like a brainwashing type thing that they're gonna, you know, try to suck you into this thing and to get you to paganism and and all that nonsense.
Now now for for me I know that's so weird. But but for me, like, like, I'm not afraid of the word meditate.
[00:35:37] Unknown:
Alright? Because Well, hold on one sec. They're not the same. So so when when I talked about meditation and mindfulness, I was just talking about how the mind the wellness programs has alienated the group that you're talking about. I like it. Consciousness consciousness is Christian, is atheism, is Buddhism, is Catholicism. It consciousness is everything. Right. This is not new age. This is not spiritual. As humanity moves forward, everyone on this planet is going to understand what consciousness is. This will not take you away from God. This will not take you away from Catholicism. This will not upend your beliefs. That will not stop anything in your world.
Your beliefs, your Catholicism, your Buddhism, your atheism, your politics all came from consciousness. The reason why red flags go up is because the people they probably heard it from don't know what they're talking about. They confuse consciousness with conscious. They confuse consciousness with spirituality. They confuse consciousness with a select group of people who are on the spiritual path and wearing mala beads and thinking that meditation is the only way to save the world. Right. That's just another construct. Consciousness as, Hoffman and Bernardo Castro and and Catholics talk about and atheists talk about and scientists talk about and philosophers talk about, it's everything.
Everything you could possibly think of mentally, physically, your thoughts, your mind, your body, it's all consciousness. So if you wanna be closer to God, understand consciousness. If you want to be better at your job, understand consciousness. If you want to expand your awareness, understand consciousness.
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Alright. So oh, now so what what advice would you give somebody that, that that does come to you? Like, I was kinda leading into the question, but that does come to you and says, hey. Look. You know what? I wanna be a chief consciousness officer. What what advice would you give them as far as under, for for for training, education in it, preparation for it? What would what would the best advice that you could possibly give them be?
[00:37:48] Unknown:
Oh, I just start talking to them and ask them questions. I'd wanna find out their level of neutrality, and that's very easy because they can't hide it for long. They can't hide their political views or religious views. They can they can, like you said, and that, like, the podcast before this, you know a lot of people who say and act neutral, but you know where they stand. Of course. Yeah. Right? You you know where they stand. They need to understand consciousness. They need to understand the spiritual and religious path because that's the that's everyone on this planet is either spiritual or religious. They need to understand business. They need to, to have a business background. They need to know both worlds, Right? And to train for it, they need to really understand that any bias or division or conflict, any side they've chosen when it comes politically, religiously, or anything that they think is right or wrong, because one side thinks something's right and the other side is wrong, vice versa, they need to really take a hard look at that and see if they can let that go. Because if they can't, they're not gonna be that good of a chief consciousness officer. Right.
[00:38:51] Unknown:
So I have a just talking about that neutrality thing for a second there, I I thought of something. Like, I have a I have a great friend of mine. I I know this I know this guy for since I'm in first grade, I think. And, you know, we still after all these years, we still keep in contact. And, you know, I I would I would try to talk to him every now and then, you know, get his political sense. Because I like to talk politics. It's it's it's fun. You know? And most of the most of the time, I I try to take a contrary position just to piss somebody off. Just just for the hell of your family, I've got it. Just for the fun of it. Just just to watch them react, you know? Because that's, you know, that's that's the way I grew up. My my family were were like, they were they were ball busters and, you know, they like like, I always tell this story, like, my my dad and I just as an example of, you know, being contrary. My my dad, when he was alive, my dad was this huge New York Yankees fan. Alright? I'm Okay. Alright. I live in Texas now, but I'm originally from New York. I was born and raised in Brooklyn. I I I worked Okay. Worked for New York City for twenty five years, and, you know, I retired, came down here to Texas, you know, working second career and all that stuff. But Okay. But, but my dad was this huge Yankees fan.
So, of course, I had to be the opposite. I I was a Mets fan. My dad Mets fan. Just just the hell of it. My my my dad was an Islanders fan. I was a Rangers fan. My dad was a Mets fan. I was a Nets fan. My dad, you know, all that whatever my dad did, I did the opposite of. And again, mostly be a just to be a ball breaker. You know? And, there was one one Father's Day that, I I wanted to it really kind of twist them a little bit. So I went to, I bought them this beautiful field jersey. I bought them the the fitted cap, the whole nine yards, packaged the whole thing up, took it over to the house, and my my dad was sitting there in the living room with my mom and gave him the box. Hey, dad. Just happy Father's Day, dad. I love you. So he goes, oh, you don't have to do that, you know, old Italian family. You know, Joseph, what are you doing? You don't have to do this, you know. Takes the box, opens it up, and he holds up this beautiful travel jersey that says Boston on the front with his name stitched on the back with a big number one with a fitted Boston Red Sox hat, the Red Sox tissue paper. Now you know the rivalry between the Yankees and the Red Sox.
So my dad my dad picked it up, he looked at it, and and he was like, Joseph, this is beautiful. Thank you. No. Really. Thank you. And I was like, you're welcome. And I goes, no. I'm serious. Thank you. Because he gives me a big hug and a kiss, and he puts it all back in the box, and he walks out of the room. Takes the box with him, walks out of the room. So I'm sitting there with my mom, and I was like, well, that didn't go exactly the way I thought it was gonna go. K. So she goes, no. Yeah. He's been a little off the last few days. I'm like, oh, okay. And we're sitting, we're having conversation, and and and, I'm like, it's been a half an hour. Where is he?
[00:41:46] Unknown:
He starts smelling fire or something. Yeah.
[00:41:49] Unknown:
I got up. I went and looked I looked out into through their kitchen to their backyard. My dad's sitting out there. He's sitting by the fire pit in the backyard, and he's reading. He's got his book. So I go out there. I'm like, dad, what are you doing? I came to see you. What are you what are you doing? And I look in the fire pit, and there's the jersey, there's the hat, there's the box, the tissue paper. And I was like, dad, what are you doing? I said, yeah. Do you have any idea how much this cost? And he just looked at he just looked at me with a dead straight face and goes, who's more the fool? Just like that. You know? So that that's just an example of of being contrary. You know? That's that's that's how that's how we always work. But, and that's something I'll never I'll never forget. You know? It's just one of those great stories.
But, but I have I have this friend, and he always says he's apolitical. Alright? Mhmm. And I'm like and and then you talk to him. And then all of a sudden, he starts spouting out, like, all of his opinions on all of these political issues that he's supposedly apolitical about. Yep. And I'm like, are you sure you're apolitical? Because you certainly sound like you are further left than AOC. Yep. You know? Yep. No. No. I don't I don't believe in politics. I think it's, you know, it's just brainwashing for the masses and all that stuff. And yeah. But you have deaf you have definite political points. So that's that's so that's why I say that, you know, a lot of people, you know, they may claim to be apolitical or politically neutral, something like that. But but somewhere inside, they do have that those political leanings.
[00:43:22] Unknown:
So so imagine how priceless it priceless it would be Sure. To truly have someone on staff, politically, business wise, or some type of organization.
[00:43:33] Unknown:
Yeah. No. Absolutely.
[00:43:34] Unknown:
When when it comes to what you're talking about, we at some point, we thought we were the center of the universe. Mhmm. We really believe that. And then someone said, no. We're not. And what happened? They were the they were the first ones through the wall, and they got bloody. Right? Right. So all we're doing right here is just bringing awareness to to this position and to I love these stories because it is continuously pushing the boundary of neutrality, pushing the boundary of there are individuals like this pushing the boundary of the stories that have been cemented in our minds. Even in sports, we gotta pick a team. If it's New York, man, Boston, I'm gonna I'm gonna tear you apart and vice versa. Right? Yeah. Absolutely. Just bringing attention and awareness to the division and to the individuals who say, I don't care. Well, you know what? Trump's an asshole. Well, okay. Well, you do care then. Yeah.
[00:44:21] Unknown:
You do care then. You're not apolitical. Or the person who gets offended. Bringing awareness to what true neutrality is. Right. Or the person who gets offended when someone says that.
[00:44:29] Unknown:
Okay. That's the thing I was thinking before you when when you you wanna know when you said how can people understand that what's a good position for chief conscious officer? Mhmm. If if someone starts talking politics or religion, nothing changes. I have nothing to defend. I don't care what side you're on, how pissed off you get at the other side, literally. Like, there's nothing in the neutral stance to defend. There's nothing to defend. If someone says, what side are you? I I'm not. I don't have a side. You're an idiot.
[00:44:59] Unknown:
Great. So would a CCO kinda be like, a mediator?
[00:45:06] Unknown:
They're a secret weapon to the c suite because what they're gonna bring with that neutrality is like I told you about that NASA thing, we are when we're kids, 98% of us are considered geniuses. When we become at all, it's less than 2% because we've severed our tie from consciousness. We've alienated a lot of solutions. Imagine bringing the level of consciousness and clarity up for the CEO who's looking over strategy. Imagine the HR being, being able to hire higher consciousness individuals or the marketing who needs to come up with new ideas or their the CMO is gonna get fired. Well, they're here. You're gonna get fired here. The chief consciousness officer becomes a secret weapon and says different questions expanding the awareness. Oh my god. Look at all these other ideas.
They're a secret weapon. Once people really understand the new the neutral stance and how much that expands the access to knowledge and answers and solutions,
[00:45:53] Unknown:
the CCO will not have enough time in the day because everyone will be coming looking for them or him for him or her. Right. Because I because as we're as we're talking about this, I'm kinda picturing in my mind, in the in the corporate setting, you know, two two opposing viewpoints on this thing and and the CCO, you know, figuratively in the middle of it, trying to bring out the best ideas from both and showing them how there there really is you know, ultimately, you're working toward the same end. It's just you're coming from two different directions and trying to put those two different directions together to make it to one direction.
[00:46:24] Unknown:
Sure. Yeah. It could be it could be partly that. Right? Or, that position also, it's not really, like, some people will call it a psychologist or a mediator like you're saying. Sometimes they'll just observe. And then after the meeting, they'll talk to both sides and say, how how are you coming to that? How are you coming to that, perception of what you think is right and wrong? And when the CCO comes to them and they understand neutrality, they know they're not formed against them. They know they're not trying to swim or manipulate them in any way. And that type of understanding means the next time those two individuals meet, they're gonna have a little bit less division of conflict.
[00:46:57] Unknown:
A better idea is gonna come out of that. Guarantee. See, that that's that's kind of the direction I was thinking as well. Yes. And that's and that's and that's the key, I think, too, is is is getting to to understand where your ideas and perceptions come from, you know, you know, what's the root of that? How did how did you how did is it your is it how you were raised? Is it how you were educated? Is it is it your life experiences that brought you to that point? And then and then trying to use that as a tool to to to make a connection between the two opposing parties.
[00:47:35] Unknown:
Yes. And, again, it's gonna be subtle. So even just the question maybe a day later, an hour later after the meeting when they couldn't figure out a solution. Gotcha. Just asking them like, okay. So you, Ed, and you, Susie. Ed, you don't like her idea. Susie doesn't like your idea. Yeah. That's not gonna work. What's better? Heads or tails of the coin? They're the same. Right. It doesn't really matter. Mhmm. Just that simple understanding, whether that pisses them off, it's not gonna change their their perception. It's not gonna change their beliefs.
But that type of learning, that type of awareness, that type of realization, just something subtle like that will bring even if it's subtle on their awareness, there will be a better solution. There will be a if it's not a better solution, it's a less conflicted and divided solution. I will guarantee that. Wow.
[00:48:24] Unknown:
Well, you definitely did open my mind to this. I mean, I like like I said, at the very beginning when I was when I was doing the research on this thing, I was I was intrigued by it, and I saw a lot of lot of interesting things in there that made me wanna really get into the conversation here with you. So this this has been absolutely great. And, let me just check and see if there's any live chats or any anybody asking any questions? No. No questions there. And let let's check that on here. I'm new use new to using the Rumble Studio app. So Oh, cool. Navigate That seems pretty cool. Yeah. I have to navigate my way kind of through these things and see if there's any okay.
Awesome. Alright. Well, Charlie, believe it or not, we're almost done with the hour. Okay. Perfect. Yeah. It goes by pretty quick. It it really does. This is this has been a great conversation. So folks, we've we've been we've been sitting talking with Charlie Johnson, chief consciousness officer, and, I I hope that that that the folks that are listening, whether it's on the audio or watching on the video, really been able to get something out of this because I I know I certainly did. I I came into this trying to keep as open as a mind as I possibly could. And, again, in doing the research beforehand really prepared me for the type of conversation we were gonna have.
And, and you really did you made a very compelling case for it. And and and I gotta tell you that, I definitely would like to talk to you again about this at some point. Okay. Perfect. On a more one to one, like a personal level. Okay. We could do that at some point. So I I can Yes. I can get you all my contact information and we can we can get in touch with each other, you know, when you have time. It's it's no rush on this one. I'm very curious to learn more about this. So, so I I think that would be fantastic. So, So, Charlie, why don't you give us an idea as to, where we can all find you and get more information from you and about you?
[00:50:20] Unknown:
I like to take everyone to, LinkedIn because it's a live conversation of what a chief conscious officer is, but specifically what it's not. Okay. Because we have constructs and we're human. We immediately think chief consciousness officer and think some again, some tree hugging hippie that's gonna have everyone meditate. No. It's not. So, link LinkedIn backslash c j consciousness, I think it is, or just look me up with at Charlie Johnson. But I I don't like to drive people to a website static. I I want them to message me on LinkedIn. I want to talk to them live on LinkedIn. I want them to see the post and see the all the podcasts we've done so they can understand what this position is because everyone listening, whether they're customer service, have a company, or don't,
[00:51:06] Unknown:
there it's gonna plant in their seed. And it's it's something every company needs, and it's gonna be it's gonna be quick. I I agree with you, actually. And then then, again, part of the reason why I wanna talk to you outside of this is because I wanna kinda bring some of this information to the company that I work for. Great. Okay. I'll find you on LinkedIn. We could talk there. Well, I don't have a LinkedIn right now. I'm gonna go I'm gonna have to get one. I know, Bob. I'm gonna have to I'll get one. I'll get one. But, I do have your LinkedIn address. I'm gonna include all of the information for you in the show notes. Thank you. So that so folks can reach out to you. I know you've been you've been, messaging with Angela, my producer Perfect. Yes. Through LinkedIn. So, once I get that, I'll I'll I'll I'll find you on LinkedIn, and we'll connect that way.
[00:51:46] Unknown:
But, Charlie I'll shoot you my I'll shoot you my cell on a, an email. Oh, perfect. That'll be great.
[00:51:51] Unknown:
K. I'll I'll do the same back to you. So folks, this has been Charlie Johnson. Charlie, thank you again for taking the time out of your day to, to chat with us. And this has been Yeah. Really eye opening and I really do appreciate it. And, hey, keep up the great work, man. This is this is good stuff. This is really Thank you for helping spread awareness, man. Thank you, Joe. Hey. No problem. You have a great one. I'll talk to you soon. You too, man. Alright. See you. Alright, folks. So Charlie Johnson. So I hope that, really do hope that that was something that was, interesting to you and and maybe you did pull something out of that. And, again, like I said, you know, at the very outset, I, I wasn't sure the direction this conversation was gonna go because, again, I had not heard of this, particular position or the or the, or or the functionality of a chief consciousness officer in a in a company. But it is very interesting and, you know, I definitely do wanna learn more about this.
Alright. So what we'll do here is we're gonna take a break just for a couple of minutes. This way, I could kinda reset everything, and then we'll come back into the second hour, and we'll get into some of the headlines for today. Some really interesting things that I wanted to talk about and bring out, that that went on today, especially about, these, these, South African, refugees that arrived in The States, today. Or today. Yeah. It was today. And, so some of the reaction that you're getting, from the left on this is which is just utterly ridiculous.
But, so we'll we'll get to that when we come back from this very, very short break. Just maybe about two or three minutes, like I said. Just wanna refresh the coffee and change the set change the set up here for the, for that show. Alright. So, folks, this is the podcast, and we are really happy to be with you tonight, and we'll be back right after this. Just stay with us. Alright, folks. We are back. Welcome back to the Joe Ruse Podcast. My name is Joe Ruse. Welcome to hour number two of the podcast. So this is a new setup for us. First time we ever tried this. I hope that hope it went off somewhat okay. I know we have a little blooper at the beginning there, where the camera went on, then it went off, and then kinda weird. Not sure what happened there, but we got through it. We made it through. We're alive. We're in one piece, and we're all happy and peppy and bursting with love. Right? Right.
Alright. So, we had, Charlie Johnson on with us in the first hour, and, that was a a really fascinating and interesting conversation, and I really did appreciate that. And, so I'm looking forward to talking to Charlie outside of the show. This way, we can get some more information on this, and maybe we'll have him back on again, if he's if he'd be interested in doing that. I think that would be, be a lot of fun, actually. Alright. Now, also wanna let you know, I got the AC kicking in the background here, so I'm sorry if, if you hear that, back there again.
The problem is is that, today it hit a 11 degrees here in Eagle Pass. And, right now in the studio, even with the AC running I got the AC running and I got a cooling fan going. It is still right now 84 degrees in the studio. So it's a little uncomfortable. So if I look a little a little wet here, you know, it's because a little misty maybe, it's because of that. It's it's it's warm. And it doesn't help also that I'm drinking some really hot seventeen seventy six coffee. So but it's delicious, and it's worth it. $70.75 coffee. I'm sorry. 76 coffee is Alex Jones coffee. I'm not drinking that yet. Haven't tried it. Alright, folks. So sorry. So what's been going on here now? So we have so we have these afric these South African, refugees that have, have arrived here in The States.
And, it's it's it's actually incredible. The reaction that you're getting from the left. I mean, the left and I know this is we kinda just talked about some of the stuff with with, with Charlie Johnson, you know, about, you know, politically left and right and being in the middle of all this stuff. Well, I I lean right. I'm a conservatarian. You know that? I'm a small r Republican, if I can put it that way. I believe in Republican form of government. I believe in, I believe in a a a small central government, and I believe that, the power really resides in the in the state and the people.
So, you know, I'm not in a big r Republican tent. Having said that, I really cannot believe the reaction that you're getting from the left over this. Now, just just to give you some background on this, You had, I think, it was sixty sixty South African Africaners. These are these are white South African farmers who have been undergoing some incredibly difficult persecutions, in South Africa over the last, over the last several years. Where I think it was, hundreds hundreds of of these white South African farmers have been have been brutally executed and killed murdered in front of their families.
Whole families have been wiped out. It it's it's an absolutely horrible persecution that's being that's taking place in South Africa. And there and, of course, the South African government is doing that in as a, as a way of, of, well, what they're doing is they're taking away the land from the farmers, that have been farming these lands for half a millennia, basically, and, and and just decimating the farming population. It is it is absolutely terrible what is going on there. And I'm looking for a, I'm looking for a, a specific piece
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here.
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I may not have I may not have pulled it. Let me check this here. Alright. Well, I don't I don't have that particular one. But, so again so so you have 50 or 60 South African farmers that have been farming the land in South Africa for for over four hundred years. Alright? And they're being pushed off the land by the South African government, and the South African government is calling it a transformation. Alright? So what really gets me though is how the left who is, who who never found an immigrant that they didn't that they didn't like, or an illegal immigrant that they didn't like, has been on the warpath about these refugees coming here to The United States.
This this is from, from MSNBC, today.
[01:03:00] Unknown:
Well, in my view, what makes it different is that they are white South Africans. The president, in my view, has not hidden his racism behind a bushel. In fact, you know, in his policies, whether it's removing government workers or, in this case, admitting white South Africans while denying refugee status asylum seekers, from other countries, principally, Central and South American and and black nations to come into this country. And so I think that, you know, this policy, while it's not surprising in this action, really speaks of the underlying message in this that, disrespects and shows disdain for people of color, while embracing these, Afrikaners now and and also expediting the process by which they can come into the country while denying that same process to other refugees.
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Now the problem is, of course, that the quote, unquote refugees that she's talking about, the other refugees, she's talking about the illegal aliens that had that had illegally crossed into the country, under the under the previous administration. Alright? No legitimate refugee is being deported. No legitimate asylum seeker is being deported. Who are being deported are those folks that have come through this through the border illegally under the previous administration. So, that's what they're talking about. Now, of course, they're screaming racism because that's all the left has is scream racism.
But this, Let me let me go back to this. So the but this is not this has nothing to do with racism. This Donald Trump signed an executive order, back in, I think it was February, that, that, that that basically designated them as in need of asylum because of the persecution that they're undergoing. These people are being killed. They're being killed and their land is being taken from them. And if they're not being killed, their land is being taken from them without any kind of compensation. There is no compensation being given to them by the by the by the, South African government. And the reason why they're doing this is because they are white.
They are white, and the government of South Africa is trying to take the land away from them, to make them, you know, pay for, settling on the land four hundred plus years ago, their their ancestors. This this is absolutely disgusting, the left reactions for this. So that was, what was her name? That was, Donna Edwards from MSNBC, talking about how this is racism to be granting asylum to these white refugees. And then you had, then you have this.
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So the Trump administration, they're saying that essentially these white South Africans assimilate better, and they're also not as much of a security risk. That's really, causing a lot of of of people to be appalled, frankly. And I also should tell people that this violence that they're talking about that are dealing with these Afrikaans. I've been hearing from people that say there is violence in South Africa, but it's affecting everybody of every single race, Katie.
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Well, it's not. It's not affecting every single person of every race. This is affecting these white Afrikaners. That's who this is affecting. And then over on at CNN, you had, Ashley Allison, who's the, she was the the National Coalition's director for the 2020 Biden and Harris campaign. And basically who said that if these Afrikaners don't wanna be in South Africa, they can leave.
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And part of that is that the people who are native to that land deserve their rightful land back. That is not what the Afrikaners actually want to have happen, which are the white Africans. And so, who are not originally from Africa, who colonized South Africa also. And so, that is what they are saying is discrimination. Now, if the constitution in South Africa is discriminatory, they have their Africaners don't actually like the land, they can leave that country. They are. They're leaving to come here. No. Because these refugees are coming here. They can actually even go to where their native land is, which is probably Germany. Are you a guest in coming here? Holland probably. Holland?
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Avoided the avoided the question of, whether or not they were whether she didn't want them here. Now, what I was looking for earlier was this. The Afrikaners are mostly descendants of Dutch, settlers who who began to arrive at at the Cape Of Good Hope Colony in 1652. Alright. So that's before the ancestors of even many of the current black residents of the country, were there today. And regardless of that, why should they go back to Holland or Germany or or some other, you know, distant place of, quote, unquote, origin after four centuries?
If you think about it, that that's that's really, that's a that's a pretty extreme type of of of blood and and soil nationalism. Don't you think? I mean, the left here in this country tells us that we're we're at fault, and we're wrong for for being nationalistic in defense of our country, but you just heard it right there yourself. They can go back to their country of origin from four hundred years ago, which, by the way, they probably have never even set foot in. Why? Because South Africa was their home. South Africa was where they were born and raised. South Africa is where they have been for the generations. They have as much right to be in South Africa as as as, black Africans have to be in America.
So what's the issue here? These are people that are being killed. When we were talking with Charlie earlier, he was talking about the, the political and and racial divisions in this country are are are at the worst they've ever been, and you're seeing it right here. The the left is saying basically that, you know, this administration is racist, and we're all racist because we don't want these illegal aliens here. That they say that we are anti immigrant. No. Not anti immigrant. I'm anti illegal alien. I am anti you coming into this country illegally. That's the difference. These people are not coming here illegally. These people are being granted asylum. They're refugees coming from a, from from a government that is set out to kill them, to exterminate them.
How do you know that, Joe? How do you say that, Joe? How do I say they say it themselves. Look. Now that's Julius Malema Malema. He leads the, the EEF, the, the economic something fighters. Kill the boar. That is the white Africaners. Kill the farmer. Did you heard
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that? Shoot to kill. Kill the poor, the farmer. Kill the poor, the farmer.
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So the and that's exactly what's happening. They are killing these people. Probably probably, you know, the most interesting thing out of all of this is, is senator Chris Van Hollen, who who is so pro refugee that he went to El Salvador to do a photo op with a Salvadoran that was deported back to his home country who is credibly being accused of, of being an MS thirteen member, a human trafficker, a wife beater. But this senator, of course, demands that he gets returned to The United States. But here's what Van Holland had to say about the Afrikaners.
This is very, you know, where is it? Trump and Trump and Musk are about to give refugee status to 60 white South African South Africans who do not need it, while Trump locks up and deports refugees here who face genuine dangers in other countries. This is sick global apartheid policy being adopted by this lawless administration. Gilmore Obregon Garcia is here illegally. He crossed the border illegally. He's been accused of human trafficking. He he's a wife beater. He was caught by the Tennessee State Police trafficking human beings across the state?
Elon Musk posted on x. Very few people know that there is a major political party in South Africa that is actively promoting white genocide. The video below was just yesterday, a whole team, a whole arena chanting about killing white people. A month ago, the South African government passed a law legalizing taking property from white people at will with no payment. Where is the outrage? Why is there no coverage by the legacy media? Starlink can't even get a license to operate in South Africa simp simply because I'm not black. How is that right?
And then I I played the clip for you already. That's this one.
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Alliance.
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Shoot to kill Yamasa. Kill the poor, the farmer.
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Now the part of the clip that clip that I don't have is is the shot of the of the stadium that they're in, the arena that they're in, packed to the rim. Totally packed.
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This is a this is a clip of the South African president
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Saying that those people who are being enticed to go to The United States don't fit the definition of a refugee. He says they're not being persecuted.
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As we speak, 49 white African refugees are on their way to The United States. They will be received by the government of president Trump. What is your reaction to this?
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Well, we've raised our own concern because those people who are being enticed to go to The United States do not fit the definition of a refugee. Refugee is someone who has to leave their country out of fear of political persecution, religious, persecution, or or economic,
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persecution and That's what The United States says they're undergoing in South Africa. That's why they've opened the door for them. Yes. And and they don't fit that bill. They don't fit that description.
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And I I had a conversation with president Trump on the phone, and I he asked, he said, what's happening down there? And I said, president, what you've been told by those people who are opposed to transformation back home in South Africa is not true. And I added to him, I said, we were well taught by Nelson Mandela and other iconic leaders like Oliver Tambo on how to continue to build a united nation out of the diverse groupings that we have in South Africa. We're the only country on the continent where the colonizers came to stay, and we have never driven them out of our country.
So they are staying, and they are making great progress. It's a fringe grouping that does not have a lot of support, that is anti transformation and anti change, that would actually prefer to see South Africa going back to apartheid, type of policies. And I said to him, I would never do that. I learned at the feet of Nelson Mandela, and we intend to proceed with the implementation of our constitutional architecture. And I thought in my conversation with him early in the morning at 04:00 South African time, he understood that. And I said, I'd like to come and meet him so that we can discuss this matter further.
So those people who have fled are not being persecuted. They are not being, you know, hounded. They are not being treated badly, and they are leaving ostensibly because they don't want to embrace the changes that are taking place in our country in accordance with our constitution. So we think that, the American government has got the wrong end of the stick here, but we'll continue talking to them. So face to face meeting is coming up.
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So he says basically that, you know, no. Nothing's wrong. Everything's okay. Everything's fine. They just don't want to be they they they don't want to embrace the transformation that's taking place. Well, the, the government of South Africa posted this up on x. And let me let me put put a better shot of that up there. There you go. Now what's really interesting about this is that part that's bracketed in red. What that says is what the instigators of this falsehood seek is not safety, but impunity from transformation. They flee not from persecution, but from justice, equality, and accountability for historic privilege.
Let me read that to you again. What the instigators of this falsehood seek is not safety, but impunity from transformation. They flee not from persecution, but from justice, equality, and accountability for historic privilege. That line alone should chill you to the bone. No rhyme intended. So he keeps he's saying that the the well, the government of South Africa is saying that, these refugees that are claiming that their lives are in danger are lying, right, because of falsehood. Why? Because they don't want to face justice, accountability, and equality for historic privilege that they supposedly have had.
Gee, what kind of justice are they talking about? Are they talking about what Malima was talking about? Killing the farmer? Killing the boar? I would be concerned about that too. I would look to get out of that country too. And on Monday, they arrived here in The States. Deputy Secretary Troy Edgar posted this on x. He said in February, POTUS signed an executive order that Afrikaners fleeing persecution had a place in The United States. Today, I joined deprec deputy sect state in fulfilling that promise and welcomed 23 Afrikaner families to The United States.
Boy, these look like real hardcore racist people, don't they? Don't they? Because, you know, that's what they're accused of. They're accused of being racist and and, they're accused of, of of they're the ones that are being accused of committing violence. These folks are farmers. You know what they're they're like? They're like there there are two sects of of of, the white South Africans. There's the Africaners, who who are these folks, and then there's the ones of, of, European descent. Okay. You think you gotta think of it like this, These people, they don't enter they don't bother with anybody. They're they they're peaceful people. They're they're farmers.
They pretty much stay to themselves. You you could think about it in in the likes of, Mennonites and, the Amish here in in The States. There's no there's no conflict with the Amish or the Mennonites that they don't crime is extremely low. They stick to their own. They don't bother anybody. They live their lives. These are these are Christian people, these Afrikaners, and they're being killed because of the color of their skin and their ancestry. And when they left the country to come here, the president who who said they're not under any persecution, they're not you know, no nothing's happened to them, nobody's killing them, said this about them. When you run away, you're a coward,
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and that's a real cowardly act.
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Talking about the Afrikaners leaving to come to The United States under refugee status. They're cowards to him. Where's the clip I had of I guess I don't have the clip. Let me see if I have it here. Donald Trump had a had a statement about this. Okay. So let me let me let me screen share this one because I didn't I don't have the clip for it, but this is this is Donald Trump.
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Claims discrimination in their home country or heading to The United States Right. Where your administration is going to welcome them as refugees. Now Now this comes as you faulted virtually all refugee admissions for people fleeing famine and war from countries like Sudan, The Democratic Republic Of Congo. Why are you creating an expedited path into the country for the ponders but not others? Because they're being killed, And,
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we don't wanna see people be killed. Now South Africa leadership is coming to see me, I understand, sometime next week. And, you know, we're supposed to have a, I guess, a g twenty meeting there or something, but, we're having a g twenty meeting. I don't know how we can go unless that situation's, taken care of. But it's a genocide that's taking place that you people don't wanna write about, but it's a terrible thing that's taking place. And, farmers are being killed. They happen to be white, but whether they're white white or black makes no difference to me. But white farmers are being brutally killed and their land is being confiscated in South Africa. And the newspapers and the media, television media doesn't even talk about it. If it were the other way around, they talk about it. That would be the only story they talk about.
And, I don't care who they are. I don't care about their race, their color. I don't care about their height, their weight. I don't care about anything. I just know that what's happening is terrible. I have
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Alright. Well, I thought there was more of a clip than that, but but that's but that's the fact. And nobody can explain it any easier than than Donald Trump does. They're being killed. It's a genocide that's taking place, and and he and he and he put the he put the the heat right on the right on the mainstream meter right there. He said, and you people don't wanna write about it. South African president, that we just heard from, it sounded so reasonable. You know, no one's getting hurt. No one's being persecuted. Well, he signed a bill into law this year that allowed the state to appropriate private property without compensation.
He also signed an education bill, which detractors feel destroy Africans' immersion schools. And then, of course, you have all the murders that that that, were being directed against, quote, unquote, deserving Afrikaaners. You saw the video I played for you chanting kill the boar. And, of course, the New York Times defends that saying that it's a it's a one of the many battle cries of the anti apartheid movement, and they say that shouldn't be taken literally. Well, you should take it literally. You absolutely should, especially when there when when you have hundreds, hundreds of these farmers slaughtered.
As a matter of fact, I'm gonna try to I'm gonna try to pull this up really quick. I want you to see this. I tried to load it up into the, into the player, but it it wouldn't take. It was too big. Let me get this here for you. This is, I pulled this from from, Alex Jones, Band.videos. This is a a report pulled out by, put out by John Bowne, and, I'm gonna screen share this with you. Not that. This. Alright. Again, this is from Infowars, band.video, and this is the truth about the Africaners the Africaner refugees. It's a long one. I'm not gonna play the whole thing now.
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I I I don't know what's going to happen in the future. I'm saying to you, we've not called for the killing of white people, at least for now. I can't guarantee the future. Yeah. But, I mean, you'd understand somebody watching that, especially as it gets shared on Twitter, they freak out. It sounds like a genocidal
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cry babies. Shoot to kill.
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If things are going the way they are, there will be a revolution in this country. I can tell you now. According to the Transvaal Agricultural
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Union of South Africa, approximately 635 farm murders occurred between 2014
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and '24. Each one of those white crashes
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is still filed for a year, with 50 recorded in 2023 and thirty two in 2024. AFRI Forum, a minority rights group, reported 49 farm murders in 2023,
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aligning with TAO SA's figures. And at that point, my husband got up for the last time. And the the the one attacker said, just kill him, brother. And they shot him in the head, execution style in front of us, and he literally fell at my feet on his face. The government dismisses it. The government denies that it's happening. Our own president came to New York in September, and he stated in an interview with Bloomberg. There are no
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killings of farmers or white farmers in South Africa. There's no land grab in South Africa. We are involved in a process of discussing land reform.
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South African police service statistics indicate that 12 farm related murders occurred between October December '20 '20 '4. These grim numbers are a small fraction of South Africa's Nineteen Thousand plus annual murders illustrating that the land of Zeph is wrought with a variety
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of chaos. Americans don't understand that the rest of the world is not like America. You know, we we have a lot of very difficult things happening in the world today and it was very complicated because there are 27 tribes, black tribes. There are really two white tribes, Afrikaans and English, and they hate each other more than the black or white situation. The there were the history of the the fighting between the Dutch and the English just it makes most wars look tame. And then the the black tribes all hated each other for their hundreds of thousands of years of history.
And so the the the level of violence was just extraordinary. I remember getting to this concert and the the train doors open. And there's two black guys. And there's one black guy, or I would just caught the end of the fight, takes a knife and stabs it into the side of this guy's head, like, right like, right there. And this guy just drops dead. Boom. And you just you're on the train, got a whole bunch of people behind you wanna get off the train, but you've just got this dead guy in front of you. A 2012
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Reuters report noted a one third decline in white farmers since 1997, emphasizing robbery as the primary motive, not race. Yet the brutality, torture, machete attacks, and prolonged Mad Max level assaults continued to fuel a Western
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Afrikaners don't actually like the land, they can leave that country. They are. They're leaving to come here. No. They can These refugees are coming here. They can actually even go to where their native land is, which is probably Germany. So the Trump administration, they're saying that essentially these white South Africans
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assimilate better, and they're also not as much of a security risk. That's really, causing a lot of of of people to be appalled, frankly. These are the descendants
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of the people who created the most diabolical system of white supremacy in in human history, apartheid. About the white Afrikaners who were allowed into the country
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and what that means for the black folks and the black farmers. Well, Don, this is a slap in the face to America's Black Farmers right now. Unfortunately,
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the mindless underbelly of American history isn't rolling out the red carpet either, regardless that these refugees are a tiny number, mainly families waving the American flag, a sight for sore eyes.
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Good morning. This is for the South Africans who are going to be entering The United States. Our president, he he has secret service,
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and you will not. So what's gonna happen is that these people will start getting their ass whooped because they think it's okay to talk to us any old kind of way that they did out there in South Africa.
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Afrikaners have entered a country where a tragic suspected murder involving Texas black and white teenagers continues to tear at the seams, and disregard for human life has sunk to new lows.
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James Norman, known as Jim to his family and friends, was getting ready to go to dinner with his daughter and son-in-law. Authorities say the 79 year old had been vacuuming the back of his Chevy Trailblazer at the car wash. The engine was still running. That's when investigators say 29 year old Ryan Hewitt jumped into the driver's seat and took off with the victim still hanging out the back door. You kill one of us. You kill five of you. You kill one of us. You kill five of you. You kill one of us. You kill five white people. We'll kill the children. We'll kill the women.
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John Bowne reporting for Infowars.
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Alright. There was more to to the video too. There's another two minutes or so to it, but, I think you got the idea of what this video was about. And like I said, every one of those white crosses that you saw lining the road, those were for a white farmer, an Afrikaaner, that was killed and their land taken. I really I I I don't under I don't know what's wrong with the left in this country. It really is a mental illness. I say I've said it many, many times, and I'll keep on saying it. I'll say it over and over again. South African president Cyril Ramaphosa slammed Afrikaner refugees who left The United States on Tuesday saying it was a it was cowardly for them to leave racial discrimination and threatened expropriation.
I already played that clip for you. They may be feeling excited. They left the country. They've got somebody like US president Donald Trump, but in the end, it's a group of South Africans demonstrating that the changes and transformation that we are embarking upon here, they are not favorably disposed to it, and that's why they're running away. Now don't forget transformation refers to South Africa's policy of redistribution of wealth by race under penalty of law. Here's a here's a clip with, of, Joel Pollock, on the danger of white South Africans on the danger that the white South Africans are currently facing.
And, there it is. There it is. And that, president the president is accurate that members of the group are facing racial discrimination and threatened of expropriation.
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Here we go. You know, I'd love to start with what president Trump had to say. He said these people are suffering from land confiscation, discrimination, and genocide. Tell me about what's happening in South Africa and if that's an accurate description.
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Well, over those three terms, genocide might be a bit premature. But when you look at the statements of leading South African politicians, notably Julius Malema, who held a rally on South Africa's Human Rights Day in March and proclaimed, kill the farmer, shoot the farmer, kill the boor, boor being another term for Afrikaner, a member of the group you just described. That ought to have been taken up by South Africa's judicial system, but the courts decided not to intervene. Even in this country, that would be outlawed. It's not protected speech under the first amendment if it's incitement to immediate harm or violence. And that's what that is. So members of that group certainly have good reason to fear.
The government, the South African government passed a law called the expropriation act, which allows property, not just farms, to be taken without compensation. And it is circulating regulations that restrict the percentage of white employees that can work in various industries. So the president is accurate that members of that group are facing racial discrimination and the threat of expropriation.
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So there there's abundant evidence. There's abundant information out there that that is that is demonstrating this particular threat to these white farmers, these Afrikaners. And I firmly believe that the Trump administration was was was correct in extending the executive order that they did back in February and welcoming these refugees here to The United States. And you know what's gonna happen? They're gonna come in. They're gonna assimilate into the country. They're gonna farm their land, and you're not gonna hear from them because these are not violent people. Like I said, these these people are akin to, like, the Amish and the Mennonites.
These are deeply religious people. These are people who are Christian, keep to themselves, and just work the land. And that's exactly what they're gonna do here to the detriment of South Africa. Because before you know it, when enough leave, they're gonna be reaching out to the United Nations. They're gonna be reaching out to other nations around the world for money because they're gonna need it for food. It's gonna happen. I guarantee it. I guarantee it. Then you had the Episcopal Church that made a statement, that basically says that the Episcopal Church is not gonna help the Afrikaners.
In light of our church's steadfast commitment to racial justice and reconciliation and our historic ties with the Anglican Church of South Africa of Southern Africa, We are not able to take this step. Accordingly, we have determined that by the end of the federal fiscal year, we conclude our refugee resettlement grant agreements with the US federal government. That wasn't the quote I was looking for.
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Let me see if I can get that.
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This is the letter. Dear people of God in the Episcopal Church I'm not gonna read the whole thing. Oh, maybe I will. We'll see. I'm writing today with some significant news about Episcopal Migration Ministries, the organization that leads the Episcopal Church's refugee resettlement ministry. Since January, since January, the previously bipartisan US refugee admissions program in which we participated essentially shut down. Virtually no new refugees have arrived. Hundreds of staff in resettlement agencies across the country have been laid off, and funding for resettling refugees who have also who have already arrived has been uncertain. Then just over two weeks ago, the federal government informed Episcopal Migration Ministry that under the terms of our federal grant, we are expected to resettle white Afrikaners from South Africa whom the US government has classified as refugees.
In light of our church's steadfast commitment to racial justice and reconciliation and our historic ties with the Anglican Church of South Southern Africa, we are not able to take this step. Accordingly, we have determined that by the end of the federal fiscal year, we will conclude our refugee resettlement grant agreements with the US federal government. I want to be very clear about why we made this decision and what we believe lies ahead for the for the Episcopal Migration Ministry's vital work. It has been painful to watch one group of refugees selected in a highly unusual manner now just listen to this. It has been painful to watch one group of refugees selected in a highly unusual manner receive preferential treatment over many others who've been waiting in refugee camps or dangerous conditions for years.
I am saddened and ashamed that many of the refugees who are being denied entrance to The United States are brave people who worked alongside a military in Iraq and Afghanistan and and now face danger at home because of their service to our country. I also grieve that victims of religious persecution, including Christians, have not been granted refuge in recent months. As Christians, we must be guided not by political vaguarities, but that's exactly what they're doing, but by the sure and certain knowledge that the kingdom of God has revealed to us and struggles of those in in margins. And the letter goes on.
So the long and short of it is that the the Episcopal Church is not going to be helping these refugees. It's it's it's disgusting. I know I shouldn't leave, you know, no no sound for for a bit there. I understand that. So then the White House, of course, condemned the Episcopal Church on Tuesday after it withdrew from the federal refugee program in a in a Monday letter, which we already read. And then, deputy press secretary, Anna Kelly said this at the White House. The Episcopal Church's decision to terminate its decades long partnership with the US government over the resettlement of 59 desperate Afrikaner refugees raises serious questions about its supposed commitment to humanitarian aid. Any religious group should support the plight of Afrikaners who have been terrorized, brutalized, and persecuted by the South African government. The Afrikaners have faced unspeakable horrors and are no less deserving of refugee settlement than the hundreds of thousands of others who were allowed into The United States during the past administration.
President Trump has made it very clear refugee resettlement should not refugee settlement should be about need, not politics. Not politics. But, of course, there is no hope for the Episcopal church. They have gone so extremely woke and so extremely to the left that they are gonna play politics with this, and that's exactly what they're doing. But I'm sure that there are other organizations that are gonna pop up, they're gonna take care of these folks, and, you know, I I welcome them to The United States. I pray they do well, and I hope more come.
I hope more come. We should be farming. We should have experienced. I mean, the Dutch are known to be some of the best farmers in the world. It's our benefit to have them here. Bring them all. At least they'd be providing something to to our culture and our society. I really have a few more minutes before we have to wrap this thing up. So let's, let's just talk really quickly about some of the achievements, of president Trump's trip overseas to the Middle East. You know, you you know that that you're respected in the world when the crown prince in Saudi Arabia.
Well, first of all, you should have seen if if you didn't see the news, which I'm surprised they actually showed, but the motorcade that was provided to president Trump with the Arabian cavalry escorting it was unbelievable sight to be seen. And then you had, Mohammed, well, they call him MBS. I I can't say his whole name. Tongue ties me. Totally breaks protocol and greets president Trump personally and escorts him personally. Not sure what happened to the sound there, but but there he is. You know you're not supposed to touch the crown prince. Right? Just patted him on the shoulder. That's Donald Trump, boy.
But that's breaking protocol. That's respect. The Saudis wouldn't even take Joe Biden's phone calls. Just think about that. They wouldn't even take Joe Biden's phone calls, and yet here, you have the crown prince breaking protocol to to personally escort Donald Trump to the table where they signed a $1,200,000,000,000 economic commitment in Qatar. Let's see if that's gonna work.
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It's my honor to announce the signing of a joint declaration of cooperation between the state of Qatar and The United States Of America. Signed on behalf of the state of Qatar by his highness, Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, a mayor of the state of Qatar, and the honorable Donald j Trump, president of The United States Of America.
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So another victory for Donald Trump. So, the the fact sheet that was released today from the White House, president Trump signed an agreement with Qatar to generate an economic exchange worth at least $1,200,000,000,000. Trump also announced economic deals totaling more than 243,500,000,000.0, between The US and Qatar, including an historic sale of Boeing aircraft and GE aerospace engines to Qatar Airways. Since taking office, his commitment president Trump's commitment to American manufacturing innovation has attracted trillions of dollars in investment in global commercial deals. Allies like Qatar are partnering in The United States' success.
The following represent just a few of the many groundbreaking details secured in Qatar. Boeing and GE Aerospace secured a landmark order from Qatar Airways, a $96,000,000,000 agreement to acquire up to 210 American made Boeing seven eighty seven Dreamliner and seven seventy seven seventy seven x aircraft powered by GE Aerospace Engines. This historic agreement will support a 54,000 US jobs annually, totaling over 1,000,000 jobs in The United States during the course of the production and delivery of this deal. McDermott has a strong partnership with Qatar Energy in advancing critical infrastructure with seven active projects worth 8,500,000,000.0.
Parsons has successfully won 30 projects worth up to 97,000,000,000. Quantinium finalized a joint venture agreement, and Qatar will invest up to $1,000,000,000 in state of the art quantum technologies. Folks, this is this is what we voted for. The United States and Qatar have a long history of trading, strong commercial relationships, including significant long term aviation, critical infrastructure, information technology, and consulting deals. Qatar's strategic goals outlined in Qatar National Vision 2030 create opportunities for US businesses in multiple sectors. The United States had a $2,000,000,000 surplus with Qatar, a trade Qatar a trade surplus with Qatar in 2024 and has had a positive trade balance with Qatar since 02/2003.
In 02/2004, US Qatar traded trade totaled 5,600,000,000.0 with 3,800,000,000.0 in US exports and 1,800,000,000.0 in Qatari imports. Folks, another victory, another win for this administration. This is this is a big deal. This is big. This is really big. This is exciting stuff. This is this is making America great again. This is making America wealthy again. This is making America strong again. This has been a total success for this administration, and this is wonderful. This is just absolutely wonderful. And this is, this is, president Trump leaving, Saudi Arabia after, after this incredible, incredible trip abroad.
The hands of the hearts. Everybody's happy, smiles everywhere, successful trip. Now back here at home, there was, there was a, a hearing at the, the House Homeland Security, hearing on Wednesday. That would be today. And, it was supposed to be about the budget, but the Democrats, of course, decided to go after, Christy Noem, the the Homeland Security secretary, with questions about Gilmore Abrego Garcia, you know, the Maryland man, you know, the the the illegal alien who was who who was deported back to his home country in El Salvador. And, the exchange really did not go very well for, for for Dan Goldman.
And, let's, because, basically, Kristi Noem, I I think personally, ended his career Right here. Twenty five second clip. Go. Mister Abrego Garcia,
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pursuant to this court order. It's gotta be extremely dis discouraging to be one of your constituents. To see you fight for a terrorist like this and not fight for them is extremely,
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alarming to me. I'm fighting for due process. Constituencies. And that's under the constitution. Gentleman's time has expired due process. The gentleman's time has expired. I now recognize miss Green for five minutes of questioning. Thank you, mister chairman. The gentleman there. We'll we'll get we'll get to Marjorie Taylor Greene in a second. But
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I want you to hear that that he that first of all, the groan in the in the crowd when she said that. Well deserved. Well deserved comment. But you heard him say that he was fighting for due process. Due process applies to American citizens. It is a protection against the government for the American citizen. Kilmore Abrego Garcia is not an American citizen. Therefore, he does not protected under the under the fifth amendment in the process of in in due process. So that line is is is is absolutely ridiculous. He is not protected by the United States Constitution.
He is not an American citizen. He's an illegal alien who was deported to his home country. And then Marjorie Taylor Greene gets into this this sparring match with, again, Dan Goldman as if he hasn't already learned a lesson when, when when, Marjorie Taylor Greene tried to enter information from, attorney general Pam Bondi, which basically listed all of the evidence exposing Abrego Garcia as an MS thirteen member. Let's take a look.
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An appellate board agreed. I saw You are misreading what they lies and reliable Mister Goldman, the performance. The clock is not yours right now. She has the floor. Please continue answering the question. Thank you, mister chairman.
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A Maryland County She's not answering the question, sir.
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No. She's gonna answer the question, and then you can object and make sure that she answers the question.
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Finish answer you just said please finish your your answer. A Maryland county police gang unit agreed that he's MS thirteen. A reliable confidential informant agreed that he's MS thirteen. ICE officers agreed that he's MS thirteen. An immigration judge agreed that he's MS thirteen. An appellate board agreed that Kilmar Abrego Garcia, your Maryland man, is MS thirteen.
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Okay.
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I object, Flor. What do you wanna say? I object because she is misstating
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the record and the facts that is not accurate, and therefore, I object to that being introduced. No. Can I explain? You you let her go on. Yep. She you you go ahead. There is no final court order establishing that he's a member. Maybe he is. So you should put all that evidence before a judge, and if he is MS 13, he should be deported.
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That's that's what we're talking about, but you're misstating Mhmm. What the all of that evidence is. No. I I I think I'm gonna make an appoint here. You basically just read what the attorney general said. Correct? Yes, sir. You didn't assert that this was a court order, did you? Did you assert that this was a court order? I read the the attorney general of The United States have a right on our committee to submit for a unanimous consent or a vote if we wanna put it to a vote.
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This for the record. Correct? Is that Yes. That is correct. Okay. Mister chairman, can I review can I review what whether what she is No? She can submit something to this committee, but it matters that she she just said she represented exactly what the attorney general said. She has a document there. I would like to keep a document. Let's make a copy for everybody. Representative. And we'll vote on I'm gonna deal hold on. Hold on just a second. We're gonna hold. We're
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you're calling for the question? We're calling for the question. The clerk, we're gonna need to set hold on just a second. Brief reset.
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Wait. Let's let's get this off the store. Yeah. No. This is great. We're voting some
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water. Alright. There's Higgins. I'm just asking. Hold on. You the document. I have I I have before. Alright. So we have a motion to vote on the submission of this, for the record. That's all that has been stated. And so I am do not interrupt me again. We are on the vote on whether or not this can be entered into the record, and a motion has been made, and we will vote on that motion. All of those in I have a I have a
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Christy Noem had it absolutely correct that it is absolutely discouraging to see to for his constituents to see him fighting for a terrorist the way he's fighting for a terrorist and not for them. So more fireworks over Kilmar Abrego Garcia, which should really be just a zero issue at this point and, just absolute just a a waste. So I I just wanna close the show out today with, some RFK stuff. We haven't really covered too much. But, but RFK was up on the hill today, and, he was giving testimony before senate. And, this is what he had to say in number 15. Here we go. The budget for my agency
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increased by 38% over the Biden administration, and Americans got sicker, and more Americans overdosed, and more Americans died from cancer. And we have now an epidemic of colorectal cancers in our children. And the chronic disease rate has now gone up to sixty percent. The autism rate has dropped to one in thirty one children. And all that money that was supposed to cure those diseases or avert them, none of it worked. All we need is leadership and a new vision, and I'm bringing that to my agency. So we're actually doing more with less, and we are gonna continue to do that. And what I'm doing at my agency is I'm realigning all these preferred incentives, and I've driven up cost and driven down health.
I'm realigning so that people can make money in this country and markets can make money.
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And then he and then he was talking about, how the how it it how a little more detail, I think, about how it expanded over 38%, and there was no improvement.
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This my department grew by 38% over the last four years. I would say that's great if Americans got healthier, but they didn't. They got worse. So what we're trying to do is go back to the, you know, pre night the pre COVID levels and to start making the department function as it would if you, you know, in a rational universe and to bring in, you know, modern AI and telemedicine and all the opportunities we have now. These new efficiencies and for medical delivery to the American people and for patient care, and we're not able to take advantage of any of them because there's so much chaos and disorganization in this department and everybody who's gone up against it in the past has thrown their hands up and given up.
Yeah. What we're saying is let's organize in a way that I can quickly adopt and deploy all these opportunities we have to really deliver high quality health care to the American people.
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RFK Jr is doing a fantastic job at HHS. I am so pleased with what he's doing. He's he's bringing transparency, and he's he's bringing, clarity. He's exposing things that that have gone under the table for so many years. You know, the the the department expanded 38% over four years of Joe Biden, but yet nothing improved. And his solution to this is not to throw more money at it. His solution is to scale everything back. How refreshing is that to hear from a government agency? I don't want more money. I don't want more money. More money is not gonna help. It's not gonna solve the problem. We have to do this smart. We have to address the issues through policy change.
We have to address the issue through staff change. We have to address the issue through education. We have to every other way to make improvement without adding extra money to it. That's the way it should work, and that's the way it has been working under this administration as a whole and particularly under HHS secretary Robert f Kennedy junior. It's a home run, and I am very, very, very thankful that he is there. Alright, folks. That's gonna do it for us for tonight. Shout out to our executive producers, Wayne and Rosanna Rankin, also to our producer, anonymous Angela. Thank you all so much for what you do. Folks, don't forget to check us out on our socials.
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I can hear you. How about can you hear me? There you go.
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Came in a little hot there, but alright. That's good. Oh, boy. That's good. Folks, so let me introduce Charlie to you. Charlie Johnson is a this is now this is from your, this is from your profile. Alright? So I'm gonna read this here. So, Charlie Charlie Johnson is a trailblazing chief consciousness officer who's gonna help us explore why every company and every political party needs a CCO. Charlie unpacks what it means to lead with awareness and intention in both business and civic like life. Well, Charlie, welcome to the podcast. It is great to have you here. I know we had a couple of misfires, you know, scheduling issues. But, I'm really glad we got that all straightened out. I was really looking forward to this because, I've never heard of a chief consciousness officer.
I have a regular job. I work I work in a in a corporate setting as well, and I was asking around a little bit to some of the higher ups, and, they're not really too familiar with this. So this is this something new? Is this something that, that's unique with, with you? Is is this your creation?
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Yes. So it's it's brand new. It's, it's just a couple months old. Luckily, individuals like yourself are allowing us to talk about this and spread some, some awareness about it. I've done to to see how quickly time is speeding up on this planet, to see how quickly consciousness is shifting, I've done 60 of the close to 60 of these in just the past four weeks. A lot of hosts, have admittedly said that I would not had you on as soon as three months ago. So there's quite a shift happening on this planet. They're very interested kinda like yourself. They've not heard about this. They hear chief consciousness officer, and they think of CEO. Basically, it gets the CMO, CFO, chief human resources officer, chief people officer.
But this is this is brand new. There was a lady who tried it about fifteen years ago. I've, spoken with her. She's kinda passed the baton on. She did it specifically with, a friend of hers at an organization her friend owned, and it was more of a, like, a marketing. Like, she wanted to come in with consciousness in marketing to better understand the customer. This position now is a a secret weep a secret weapon to everyone within the organization.
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Okay. So so, what exactly would a chief consciousness officer do in the corporate setting?
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Everything is consciousness. Okay. Everything physical and nonphysical consciousness itself has been within the organization since the beginning of time. What has happened is we have all had a blank check and businesses and individuals and organizations have cashed it for a hundred dollars. If I had a blank check, I assume you're the same. If I had a carte blanche, I'd be cashing that thing for a billion, 10 billion. I I would just cash it and it would just be unlimited. Right? Unlimited resources. Easily. Everything we've ever known, been taught about, worked on, learned with, the only tool we've ever known, the only thing that anyone's ever talked about is this.
This mind of ours is as Einstein put the same mind that creates a problem can't solve it. This is the middle man. This is the divided tool that is continuously saying I'm Republican, you're Democrat. I don't like you. I'm Catholic, I'm atheist. Constantly creating the conflict and division within this organ within the world. Right? And just by simply looking at the world today, we've never had so much division and conflict. The inside of business, the division between the gap between executives and employees is continuously widening. Burnout, retention rates, stress, people trying to find their purpose, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
We have had twenty years now, probably twenty five years of wellness programs. Right? Mindfulness, meditation, tai chi, yoga, etcetera. My question behind that is is how is it working? It's it's created incredible amounts of conflict and vision. The people's heart have been in the right place. HR did it for the right reasons. The executives did it for the right reasons. But one thing we did not bring into the discussion is consciousness, is the levels of consciousness. Is when we brought in a wellness program with the kindness of our heart. Here in the West, we've got a lot of Catholic and Baptist and atheists. As soon as they were asked to meditate, they thought it was Buddhist and they were immediately turned off by it. Yeah. Right? Yeah. We've got to better understand the individuals. We got to better understand their beliefs. We got to better understand what consciousness is at a very neutral level.
This position becomes a secret weapon for every c suite, becomes a secret weapon for customer service. It expands the awareness, so everyone's here. Mhmm. It expands the awareness for marketing, for sales, for HR, for the CFO, for the CEO, for customer service, everyone. As soon as the company starts to under understand the neutrality of this position, that this man or woman does not have a dog in the fight, does not care if you're Republican or Democrat, Catholic or atheist, it becomes a very powerful position.
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So how how would a company actually find a a chief consciousness officer?
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Well, being so new, through podcasts such as yourself, and that's why I'm doing so much outreach with this, kind of pioneering this position. The best way to relate it is to thirty years ago when technology took over business. Right? Everyone knew the Internet was gonna be a big thing. Everyone wanted a new website. Every every intelligent person within the organization knew technology was gonna be massive moving forward. Did anyone in the organization know how to put a website up, code, or create a URL? Absolutely not. Right. So they looked into the corner like, oh, you know those weird dudes over there that we paid no attention to? Shit. Let's hire them. We needed a CTO. Now a CTO is a staple within the c the c suite because of technology. Well, technology is gonna be there. It's always there. It's AI now. Right? It's expanding.
The center of humanity is going to be consciousness. It's always been consciousness, but now we're becoming aware of it. Okay. Because this middleman is creating all the division and conflict, and we're trying to understand what's past the mind. Where did the mind come from? How can we expand our awareness? Well, you don't expand the awareness through the mind. You expand the awareness through consciousness. I'm gonna have to assume the companies, just like a CTO, are gonna want someone on staff, like a chief consciousness officer who's neutral and understands both sides of the story and understands consciousness at a very high clear level. Okay.
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So how would you how would you, I guess, integrate consciousness into the day to day business and into business operations?
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Very simply, it's already been there. So just they're gonna say, what is consciousness? And I would say, well, there's a wise fish swimming through the ocean. He swims by two young fish and says, hey, boys. How's the water? The two young fish look at each other and say, what the hell's water? That's consciousness. You and I are swimming in it right now. Your listeners are swimming in it right now. Consciousness is everything physical and nonphysical. Okay. Whether they understand that, whether they believe with that or not, it's something they can unhear, it's something they can unlearn. Right? Okay. And then we bring attention to this thing, this brain of ours, this mind of ours that is continuously saying, that individual may have the best answer in the world and may have something that works for me, but the Republican, I can't trust them. I'm Democrat.
Catholics and atheists. Right? We've been doing this same shit since the beginning of humanity. We have 10,000 books on happiness. We've never been so unhappy. We have every book and every individual and every coach and professional and expert talking about life hacks. We've never had more access to information and knowledge. We've never had more access to everything we think we need. We never we've never spent more money on obesity. We've never been so fat. Mhmm. We're missing something here. Okay. We're missing something. We've done this since the beginning of humanity. We truly believe at some point in the future, so one side's gonna win, the other side's gonna lose, and we're just gonna go off into this utopic ideal. No. We're continuously dividing each other. It's gotten worse currently right now.
We gotta go past the mind. We gotta use the mind, not have the mind use us like a slave. We've gotta go into the source. We gotta go into consciousness. And just bringing awareness to that, which everyone already is, it doesn't matter their intelligence, it doesn't matter their level of clarity, just understanding that is kinda like the four minute mile. Four minute mile is absolutely impossible. Someone ran it. Oh, shit. Then a thousand people ran it. We just gotta bring awareness to what this is. Okay.
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Okay. So now say for example, someone like myself. Alright. I'm I'm a I'm a small business technically. Okay. I'm I'm mainly with the podcast and such. How would I bring the consciousness approach into what I do without having a chief consciousness officer? Does that make sense? Yeah. These conversations.
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Googling consciousness, understanding consciousness. Just the simple fact that we're having this conversation, bringing your awareness to it, your listeners to it. From this point forward, you're going to look at consciously consciousness differently. Right? You're going to see it differently. It's going to pop up in your awareness. It's gonna be something you talk about. It's gonna be something you Google. It's gonna be something you see in a book that you didn't see before. Maybe something in an article you're like, oh, shit. That's what he was talking about. Right? And all it's gonna do is it take you from here, and it's gonna slowly expand your awareness. Now if all you've been is here, which is the vast majority of the planet is here, the only thing you see, your solutions, your problems, your answers, your questions are only in this little tiny purview. You expand, you have access to the whole.
So if we're looking for solutions, if we're looking to be better with the planet, better humanity, better spouses, better kids, better parents, better whatever, Everything we've done is right here, and it doesn't seem to be really working out too well for us. If we get more people to expand their awareness, compassion, empathy, access to knowledge, access to different solutions, different problems, different questions, We're just looking to expand awareness, and that happens through consciousness.
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Yeah. And that it actually does make sense because as you were talking, I I was thinking about how when I first came across your information, and I was kinda looking through studying what consciousness officers are, trying to do some background research on it, see if there's any information out there on it. And then, of course, looking up, well, what exactly does that term mean, consciousness? You know, it did. It it did kinda open my mind up to to which is the reason why I wanted to sit down and talk to you. You know, I wanted to to bring this out and what I wanted the the audience to hear this. Yes. Thank you. This is the this is to me, it's very interesting. I I've I've I'm fascinated by these these topics, you know. Not not in the same vein as what you're doing, but, like, I'm very interested. I don't know if you're familiar with doctor Steven Greer and and the work that Yeah. I love his shit. Uh-huh. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
You know, I'm I am extremely interested and fascinated by, you know, his CE five, protocols and Mhmm. And things like that. And that all kinda goes into this. And believe it or not, it'd be funny when you when you actually research consciousness, how many references come up to doctor Greer in the work excuse me? Well, that's that's that's what I mean by the future. Yeah. So when those boys from the sky come down and it's official, which is gonna be very soon. Mhmm.
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K? You you you see how normal we're talking about this. Yeah. I mean, you you understand consciousness. You understand that every sci fi movie that out there is just a coming attraction. Of course. It starts as a thought. Mhmm. Everything doctor Greer is talking about is as as normal as you and I talking on a podcast, is as normal as driving a car, eating food. We we think it's so magical and mystical because it's unknown to most people, but everything is in consciousness. Everything is consciousness, physical and nonphysical. Knowledge is structured in consciousness. Anything we've ever learned, anything we've ever thought of, anything we've ever read in a book or someone's opinion, studied by Doctor. Greer, watched him on YouTube, is consciousness.
We're it. So we have access to all of that. So when it comes to doctor Greer, when you when you listen to him for the first time for some people, and and it doesn't sound like you or your listeners, whatever, you probably been listening to him for quite some time. I have. Yes. That's that's as normal as it gets. Just normal as me sitting right here because it's all consciousness. Nothing is impossible outside of consciousness. We just have a very limited perception. So anything outside of it, like, wow, that's God, I don't know if that's real. It's real.
Everything's everything is literally real. Everything is a starts as a thought. Everything's structured in consciousness. It becomes reality. That's just the way it is. That's amazing. I,
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I just had a thought and I lost it. It'll it'll come back. That's what happened. I'm getting old, so, you know, I'm gonna be I'm gonna be 55 this year, so I'm starting to catch up to me here. But, but but, but I guess another way of describing consciousness would be awareness. Would would you say that's accurate fairly accurate?
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Awareness is, a part of consciousness, meaning it gives we're aware. I'm I'm looking at you right now. Mhmm. Right? We awareness is there, but we've been given these five senses through consciousness to touch touch, see, smell, touch whatever you wanna say. Right? Awareness is, our thoughts, our processes, being aware, seeing, hearing stuff. Consciousness birthed it all. Consciousness birthed everything physical and nonphysical. And the big difference is is a lot of people will think of consciousness and conscious. You and I are conscious right now. If we get hit in the head, we go unconscious. Correct. Yeah. That is a verb. That's a I see, I'm conscious, I'm unconscious, I smell, I touch, I feel. Consciousness to me is a noun because it has created everything, the universe, our galaxies, our planets, our aliens or not aliens, the physical body, the thoughts, everything. Consciousness to me is a noun.
Conscious
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is a verb. It's not the same thing. And how long have you been studying this?
[00:21:50] Unknown:
Probably about fifteen years. And the the greatest thing I had going for me is I had no clue. Mhmm. I did not have a religious or spiritual background. I had no understanding of it whatsoever. So when I cross when I cross paths with my teacher, I mean, an individual that, I can't understand this. I can't overstate this enough. He's he's he's someone people would leave their their world behind, leave their their family behind and go to India and just live this best rest their life with. Right? Okay. And most people who do cross this path will never be seen again.
Something in my karma in this incarnation brought me back to bridge the gap between that and business and the vast majority of the humans that don't give two shits about what you and I are talking about. I see. But we can help them go from second to third, fourth grade to help all the whole. Right? Mhmm. What he did to me when he started having me read all of the books and showing me all the powers and showing me everything like that was not to fill my mind, kinda like that cup of yours. You know, the old Zen story of, the teacher pouring the cup of tea and the student's like, hey, man, the the cup's full. And the teacher's like, yeah, I can't teach anything new when your mind's like that cup. He wasn't filling my mind. He was stripping it all away. He was allowing me to get to the point on my own to see, I just read every book on every religion in the world.
My god. They're all the same thing. Why is there so much? Why are we killing each other over this? How can we not see that it's all coming from the same source? How can two Harvard grad one seventy IQ individuals be at each other's throats because one one's Republican and one's Democrat? Mhmm. How is it that when I ask the question, what's better heads or tails? And people say, well, they're the same. No shit. How are we not understanding that since the beginning of time, we've created division and conflict. And we are we we claim to be very advanced right now with technology and everything else, yet we've never been so divided and conflicted. That's true.
So he stripped every bias and condition away so that I could see this conversation that we're having, take very complex issues, simplify it and say, hey, We're we're something's missing here because you're the heads, they're the tails, and you guys are fighting over each other. It's the same coin. What are we missing? So kind of bringing awareness to that.
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Now you you mentioned politics earlier, and you mentioned it again here now. How would a chief consciousness officer, impact politics or political organizations?
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So again so think about it. Think about politics. What do they always claim? They're trying to bridge the gap, trying to go over the aisle, trying to be bipartisan, trying to create less division and conflict when they're one of the worst divided and conflicted, organizations within the world, within the planet. Right? Mhmm. Imagine having someone on staff that legitimately day in and day out is talking about this, Talking to the chief of staff, talking to the congressman, talking to the to the people in the White House, talking to anyone in politics no matter state or local, state or federal level. Having someone on staff that just brings in different questions is neutral. Truly doesn't have a dog in the fight. Imagine someone on either side of the aisle bringing in someone who's neutral.
Their message is they want to be neutral. They want to swing. They want to help. Humanity's moving that way. This division and conflict, people are sick of it, right? Now, we keep creating it because we're not in the understanding of how we create it, we really think the other side's creating it, we're just angels over here and vice versa. But having a CCO on staff in the political environment is gonna do the same thing it does in business. It's going to start to take here, this awareness, and start to expand it. Once you expand it, you can't close back up.
You can't have someone talk to an intelligent person and say, please tell me if the heads or tails of the coin is better. I see. Just they can't unhear that. They can't unlearn it. That's gonna change everything. Truly, I know it sounds childish. I know it sounds simple. We always like complexity. We always like really intelligent big fat words to make us feel like we're smarter. No. The intelligence on this planet is very limited because we we silo ourselves off. The intelligence is getting in intelligence gets in the way of our expansion of consciousness. Isn't there because we have beliefs. Isn't there a saying that that says something to the effect of, I'm gonna mangle it, but, sometimes the the simplest answer? Occam's razor is the best. Yeah. It's the best answer. Yeah. Yeah. So NASA did a study. They followed a few thousand kids. At the ages of four and five, 90 eight percent were considered genius. By the time that those kids were adults, it was two percent.
If you don't think that applies to 8,000,000,000 people on this planet, you're out of your mind. So we have this vast resource of consciousness, which is everything, which is neutral, which has the understanding that both sides are doing the same thing. And then we I'm this, I'm that, I hate this, I don't like this, I'm in this country, I like my religion, my politics. We take this vast resource, we cram our minds into this tiny little box, which is restricted, and then we just create conflict. Pretty simple.
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It is. So we just gotta bring awareness to it. Yeah. You make it sound simple. Mhmm. Yeah. But but for someone who this is completely a new world to Oh, yeah. I know. It's it's gonna be going, like, through growing pains now.
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No. I I completely understand. But let's let's let's bring levels of consciousness into this conversation. So it does it's not going to be a massive shift when it comes to that. But if I'm a CEO and I come up to you and say, would you rather have fifth graders as employees or second graders? They're going to say fifth because they're more self sustaining. They can communicate better a little bit more emotionally stable. They can feed themselves. Maybe they're a little bit smarter with math. Right? Mhmm. There are different levels of consciousness on this planet. And it's like saying, we don't get mad at an eight year old for being in second grade, and a 16 year old in tenth grade is not better than the eight year old. Just different levels. That's just just the way it is.
Okay. We can subtly shift someone from second to third or fifth fourth grade. On a universal planetary scale, that is absolutely massive if we take 10,000,000 people that way. Right? So it doesn't really matter if it's new. It doesn't matter if they understand it. It doesn't matter if they're completely against it. But just like the four minute mile, as soon as they hear it, the seeds planted, the universe is an incredible gardener. It will grow, and it will expand their awareness no matter what. Alright. I see where you go. I see where you can go with that.
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Yeah. I I get it. I get it. Now, when when it comes to, kinda wanna stick with politics for a little bit because politics is kinda like Please. My other, Please. You know, background there. If you if you were to be hired as a chief consciousness officer for a political party, what would your top what would your top priority be? What would be the first thing that you would wanna bring to the organization?
[00:28:41] Unknown:
Neutrality. Okay. And not to not to the specific specific side because that's unreasonable. But if the individual, whatever side chose a chief consciousness officer, they would at least be open to it. That's all I need. I just need I just need to stick my toe on the door. Mhmm. And then I'm just on staff. I'm hanging out. Maybe in most meetings, I don't say shit. Maybe I've just observed. Maybe I get to better understand that party. Maybe I get to better understand the chief of staff. Maybe I get to better understand who that politician is. And I start to get to understand who they are, what books they read, what they really like. Right? And then I'm gonna start asking different questions because I'm not gonna come from I'm for them or against them. They're legitimately gonna have someone on staff that is just sitting there neutral trying to help them expand what they said they wanted to do. They wanted to make the world better. They wanted to make their constituents better. They wanted to make their party better. They wanted to see if they could bridge the gap and be truly bipartisan because I truly believe that both sides do. They just don't they don't really understand how to. Right? They don't have the knowledge that we're talking about. But if they have someone on staff, maybe we could inch our way along. Okay. And maybe what if both sides start hiring chief consciousness officers?
So it's kinda like, in Moneyball when, Billy Beane almost gets hired by the Red Sox Oh, yeah. Yeah. And he says the first one through the wall always gets bloody. Okay. I'll get bloody because my history of my business, my nonprofit, my ten years with my teacher obviously put me into a position here. And as much as I spent ten years trying to suppress this aggression and passion I have and tried to be like my teacher where it was cool, calm, and collect, and it's all love, obviously, it didn't work because it wasn't authentic to me. So as as much as everyone has a certain skill they bring to this world, my skill is complex issues, bring back to simplicity and being neutral.
I mean, my question always is, do you know someone neutral? I haven't yet to have someone say no. I haven't You know what? So many people claim to be neutral and and
[00:30:39] Unknown:
but No. There there really isn't. Everybody has everybody has some type of political leaning in one way or another, and I and I think that would be a challenge for somebody as a as a, chief conscious consciousness officer to to even put aside their own, I don't wanna say biases because I know biases has, like, a negative connotation to it. But Mhmm. But there is a you know, everybody does have a political bias in one way or another. Everybody thinks a certain way. It it would be wouldn't I I guess, would come with training, wouldn't it? Well, let me let me say this. Let me say this.
[00:31:12] Unknown:
Like the fish and water, what's water? Okay. You know, when you say everyone had no. All we've paid attention to is who's against us and who's for us. There is a group of individuals that no one pays attention to because you know what neutrality does to people? They don't know what they don't know what to do. Someone came up to me one time, and this has happened many times, someone came up to me, he's like, so did you hear what Trump did? I was like, no, I don't give a shit. He's like, oh, you're a Biden guy? I'm like, no, I don't give a shit about that either. He's like, oh, you're like my son, you're an anarchist. I'm like, no, not that either. He literally looked at me like a like his computer in his vent froze.
He turned and walked away. Yeah. Because he couldn't process beyond that. He couldn't process that I didn't I I didn't care. I was I I was not on one side and have a dog in the fight. I see the whole picture. I see the division and conflict created. Right? So I do understand that people would say you're gonna have some type of bias and conditioning. There are a group of individuals in the middle that no one pays attention to. They're not religious. They're not spiritual. They're not Republican. They're not Democrat. They're not Catholic. They're not atheist. They're kinda just hanging out. They're just there. Basically waiting for a time like this. And if I have to be the person that brings this position to the forefront, then that's that's what I've been chosen to do. That's perfectly fine with me. But it sounds like a dream job to a lot of people because I've had hundreds across my past saying, holy shit, man. This is exactly what I've been looking for. Cool.
Let's see if we can bring enough awareness to business and corporations and politics to to have someone,
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bite on it, which I assume is gonna happen soon. And I I would also imagine that there's gonna be people, like like you said, oh, this is, like, the dream job, you know, that will kinda grift off of this too. I mean
[00:32:54] Unknown:
Yeah. Like, the take chief technology officer, there was good ones, and then there was really terrible ones. Yeah. Yeah. So so in in in their realm, when they hear chief consciousness officer, there's a lot of spiritual people like, I knew it was gonna work, bro. Like, they got loose fitting white clothing, wearing mala beads, hugging a tree thinking this is spiritual. It's not. Yeah. Right. Let me let me make that very clear to your listeners watching or listening. This is not spiritual because when people tell me I'm not religious, I'm spiritual, you're the heads to the tails of the coin. You know the dogma you left behind in religion you didn't like? You think it was freedom and spirit? You created the same amount of dogma and boxes and structure. Spirituality is just a new religion. Right? I don't have a problem with that. I'm just bringing I'm just saying what it is. Right?
This is not a spiritual thing. This individual has to have a business background because we're not trying to tear down capitalism and stop money and take the structure, capitalism, businesses, all of that. That's not the problem. The people are the problem. It's not evil. Money's not evil. None of that stuff's evil. And all the people who wanna tear the system down, they have nothing to rebuild it with. So what are we gonna do? It's the world's gonna be even worse. Right. What we can do is Trojan horse this and take the clarity of the planet from a level three out of 10 to a level four or five. That is a massive shift for 8,000,000,000 people. Trust
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me. Yeah. And and like you said, you know, money is not evil, but it's No. It's but it's a necessary evil. There you go. You know? And that's and that's unfortunate. That's the way it is. And, I come from a I come from a, a born again Christian background, and, you know, one of the one of the main verses that that I learned very early on is, like, the if the love of money is the root of all evil. There you go. Okay. So, and that's in the book of Proverbs. So, so, yeah, I I can I can totally relate to what you're saying with that? But and the that now okay. Well, take it from from, from someone in in with my background, because because, you know, in in in most Orthodox Christian, Orthodox Catholic, born again backgrounds, when they as soon as somebody hears the phrase consciousness and, again, meditation, meditating, because you mentioned that very early on, You know, all of a sudden, the red flags pop up that this is some kind of a new age, you know, quote, unquote religion that that is is, like, almost like a brainwashing type thing that they're gonna, you know, try to suck you into this thing and to get you to paganism and and all that nonsense.
Now now for for me I know that's so weird. But but for me, like, like, I'm not afraid of the word meditate.
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Alright? Because Well, hold on one sec. They're not the same. So so when when I talked about meditation and mindfulness, I was just talking about how the mind the wellness programs has alienated the group that you're talking about. I like it. Consciousness consciousness is Christian, is atheism, is Buddhism, is Catholicism. It consciousness is everything. Right. This is not new age. This is not spiritual. As humanity moves forward, everyone on this planet is going to understand what consciousness is. This will not take you away from God. This will not take you away from Catholicism. This will not upend your beliefs. That will not stop anything in your world.
Your beliefs, your Catholicism, your Buddhism, your atheism, your politics all came from consciousness. The reason why red flags go up is because the people they probably heard it from don't know what they're talking about. They confuse consciousness with conscious. They confuse consciousness with spirituality. They confuse consciousness with a select group of people who are on the spiritual path and wearing mala beads and thinking that meditation is the only way to save the world. Right. That's just another construct. Consciousness as, Hoffman and Bernardo Castro and and Catholics talk about and atheists talk about and scientists talk about and philosophers talk about, it's everything.
Everything you could possibly think of mentally, physically, your thoughts, your mind, your body, it's all consciousness. So if you wanna be closer to God, understand consciousness. If you want to be better at your job, understand consciousness. If you want to expand your awareness, understand consciousness.
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Alright. So oh, now so what what advice would you give somebody that, that that does come to you? Like, I was kinda leading into the question, but that does come to you and says, hey. Look. You know what? I wanna be a chief consciousness officer. What what advice would you give them as far as under, for for for training, education in it, preparation for it? What would what would the best advice that you could possibly give them be?
[00:37:48] Unknown:
Oh, I just start talking to them and ask them questions. I'd wanna find out their level of neutrality, and that's very easy because they can't hide it for long. They can't hide their political views or religious views. They can they can, like you said, and that, like, the podcast before this, you know a lot of people who say and act neutral, but you know where they stand. Of course. Yeah. Right? You you know where they stand. They need to understand consciousness. They need to understand the spiritual and religious path because that's the that's everyone on this planet is either spiritual or religious. They need to understand business. They need to, to have a business background. They need to know both worlds, Right? And to train for it, they need to really understand that any bias or division or conflict, any side they've chosen when it comes politically, religiously, or anything that they think is right or wrong, because one side thinks something's right and the other side is wrong, vice versa, they need to really take a hard look at that and see if they can let that go. Because if they can't, they're not gonna be that good of a chief consciousness officer. Right.
[00:38:51] Unknown:
So I have a just talking about that neutrality thing for a second there, I I thought of something. Like, I have a I have a great friend of mine. I I know this I know this guy for since I'm in first grade, I think. And, you know, we still after all these years, we still keep in contact. And, you know, I I would I would try to talk to him every now and then, you know, get his political sense. Because I like to talk politics. It's it's it's fun. You know? And most of the most of the time, I I try to take a contrary position just to piss somebody off. Just just for the hell of your family, I've got it. Just for the fun of it. Just just to watch them react, you know? Because that's, you know, that's that's the way I grew up. My my family were were like, they were they were ball busters and, you know, they like like, I always tell this story, like, my my dad and I just as an example of, you know, being contrary. My my dad, when he was alive, my dad was this huge New York Yankees fan. Alright? I'm Okay. Alright. I live in Texas now, but I'm originally from New York. I was born and raised in Brooklyn. I I I worked Okay. Worked for New York City for twenty five years, and, you know, I retired, came down here to Texas, you know, working second career and all that stuff. But Okay. But, but my dad was this huge Yankees fan.
So, of course, I had to be the opposite. I I was a Mets fan. My dad Mets fan. Just just the hell of it. My my my dad was an Islanders fan. I was a Rangers fan. My dad was a Mets fan. I was a Nets fan. My dad, you know, all that whatever my dad did, I did the opposite of. And again, mostly be a just to be a ball breaker. You know? And, there was one one Father's Day that, I I wanted to it really kind of twist them a little bit. So I went to, I bought them this beautiful field jersey. I bought them the the fitted cap, the whole nine yards, packaged the whole thing up, took it over to the house, and my my dad was sitting there in the living room with my mom and gave him the box. Hey, dad. Just happy Father's Day, dad. I love you. So he goes, oh, you don't have to do that, you know, old Italian family. You know, Joseph, what are you doing? You don't have to do this, you know. Takes the box, opens it up, and he holds up this beautiful travel jersey that says Boston on the front with his name stitched on the back with a big number one with a fitted Boston Red Sox hat, the Red Sox tissue paper. Now you know the rivalry between the Yankees and the Red Sox.
So my dad my dad picked it up, he looked at it, and and he was like, Joseph, this is beautiful. Thank you. No. Really. Thank you. And I was like, you're welcome. And I goes, no. I'm serious. Thank you. Because he gives me a big hug and a kiss, and he puts it all back in the box, and he walks out of the room. Takes the box with him, walks out of the room. So I'm sitting there with my mom, and I was like, well, that didn't go exactly the way I thought it was gonna go. K. So she goes, no. Yeah. He's been a little off the last few days. I'm like, oh, okay. And we're sitting, we're having conversation, and and and, I'm like, it's been a half an hour. Where is he?
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He starts smelling fire or something. Yeah.
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I got up. I went and looked I looked out into through their kitchen to their backyard. My dad's sitting out there. He's sitting by the fire pit in the backyard, and he's reading. He's got his book. So I go out there. I'm like, dad, what are you doing? I came to see you. What are you what are you doing? And I look in the fire pit, and there's the jersey, there's the hat, there's the box, the tissue paper. And I was like, dad, what are you doing? I said, yeah. Do you have any idea how much this cost? And he just looked at he just looked at me with a dead straight face and goes, who's more the fool? Just like that. You know? So that that's just an example of of being contrary. You know? That's that's that's how that's how we always work. But, and that's something I'll never I'll never forget. You know? It's just one of those great stories.
But, but I have I have this friend, and he always says he's apolitical. Alright? Mhmm. And I'm like and and then you talk to him. And then all of a sudden, he starts spouting out, like, all of his opinions on all of these political issues that he's supposedly apolitical about. Yep. And I'm like, are you sure you're apolitical? Because you certainly sound like you are further left than AOC. Yep. You know? Yep. No. No. I don't I don't believe in politics. I think it's, you know, it's just brainwashing for the masses and all that stuff. And yeah. But you have deaf you have definite political points. So that's that's so that's why I say that, you know, a lot of people, you know, they may claim to be apolitical or politically neutral, something like that. But but somewhere inside, they do have that those political leanings.
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So so imagine how priceless it priceless it would be Sure. To truly have someone on staff, politically, business wise, or some type of organization.
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Yeah. No. Absolutely.
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When when it comes to what you're talking about, we at some point, we thought we were the center of the universe. Mhmm. We really believe that. And then someone said, no. We're not. And what happened? They were the they were the first ones through the wall, and they got bloody. Right? Right. So all we're doing right here is just bringing awareness to to this position and to I love these stories because it is continuously pushing the boundary of neutrality, pushing the boundary of there are individuals like this pushing the boundary of the stories that have been cemented in our minds. Even in sports, we gotta pick a team. If it's New York, man, Boston, I'm gonna I'm gonna tear you apart and vice versa. Right? Yeah. Absolutely. Just bringing attention and awareness to the division and to the individuals who say, I don't care. Well, you know what? Trump's an asshole. Well, okay. Well, you do care then. Yeah.
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You do care then. You're not apolitical. Or the person who gets offended. Bringing awareness to what true neutrality is. Right. Or the person who gets offended when someone says that.
[00:44:29] Unknown:
Okay. That's the thing I was thinking before you when when you you wanna know when you said how can people understand that what's a good position for chief conscious officer? Mhmm. If if someone starts talking politics or religion, nothing changes. I have nothing to defend. I don't care what side you're on, how pissed off you get at the other side, literally. Like, there's nothing in the neutral stance to defend. There's nothing to defend. If someone says, what side are you? I I'm not. I don't have a side. You're an idiot.
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Great. So would a CCO kinda be like, a mediator?
[00:45:06] Unknown:
They're a secret weapon to the c suite because what they're gonna bring with that neutrality is like I told you about that NASA thing, we are when we're kids, 98% of us are considered geniuses. When we become at all, it's less than 2% because we've severed our tie from consciousness. We've alienated a lot of solutions. Imagine bringing the level of consciousness and clarity up for the CEO who's looking over strategy. Imagine the HR being, being able to hire higher consciousness individuals or the marketing who needs to come up with new ideas or their the CMO is gonna get fired. Well, they're here. You're gonna get fired here. The chief consciousness officer becomes a secret weapon and says different questions expanding the awareness. Oh my god. Look at all these other ideas.
They're a secret weapon. Once people really understand the new the neutral stance and how much that expands the access to knowledge and answers and solutions,
[00:45:53] Unknown:
the CCO will not have enough time in the day because everyone will be coming looking for them or him for him or her. Right. Because I because as we're as we're talking about this, I'm kinda picturing in my mind, in the in the corporate setting, you know, two two opposing viewpoints on this thing and and the CCO, you know, figuratively in the middle of it, trying to bring out the best ideas from both and showing them how there there really is you know, ultimately, you're working toward the same end. It's just you're coming from two different directions and trying to put those two different directions together to make it to one direction.
[00:46:24] Unknown:
Sure. Yeah. It could be it could be partly that. Right? Or, that position also, it's not really, like, some people will call it a psychologist or a mediator like you're saying. Sometimes they'll just observe. And then after the meeting, they'll talk to both sides and say, how how are you coming to that? How are you coming to that, perception of what you think is right and wrong? And when the CCO comes to them and they understand neutrality, they know they're not formed against them. They know they're not trying to swim or manipulate them in any way. And that type of understanding means the next time those two individuals meet, they're gonna have a little bit less division of conflict.
[00:46:57] Unknown:
A better idea is gonna come out of that. Guarantee. See, that that's that's kind of the direction I was thinking as well. Yes. And that's and that's and that's the key, I think, too, is is is getting to to understand where your ideas and perceptions come from, you know, you know, what's the root of that? How did how did you how did is it your is it how you were raised? Is it how you were educated? Is it is it your life experiences that brought you to that point? And then and then trying to use that as a tool to to to make a connection between the two opposing parties.
[00:47:35] Unknown:
Yes. And, again, it's gonna be subtle. So even just the question maybe a day later, an hour later after the meeting when they couldn't figure out a solution. Gotcha. Just asking them like, okay. So you, Ed, and you, Susie. Ed, you don't like her idea. Susie doesn't like your idea. Yeah. That's not gonna work. What's better? Heads or tails of the coin? They're the same. Right. It doesn't really matter. Mhmm. Just that simple understanding, whether that pisses them off, it's not gonna change their their perception. It's not gonna change their beliefs.
But that type of learning, that type of awareness, that type of realization, just something subtle like that will bring even if it's subtle on their awareness, there will be a better solution. There will be a if it's not a better solution, it's a less conflicted and divided solution. I will guarantee that. Wow.
[00:48:24] Unknown:
Well, you definitely did open my mind to this. I mean, I like like I said, at the very beginning when I was when I was doing the research on this thing, I was I was intrigued by it, and I saw a lot of lot of interesting things in there that made me wanna really get into the conversation here with you. So this this has been absolutely great. And, let me just check and see if there's any live chats or any anybody asking any questions? No. No questions there. And let let's check that on here. I'm new use new to using the Rumble Studio app. So Oh, cool. Navigate That seems pretty cool. Yeah. I have to navigate my way kind of through these things and see if there's any okay.
Awesome. Alright. Well, Charlie, believe it or not, we're almost done with the hour. Okay. Perfect. Yeah. It goes by pretty quick. It it really does. This is this has been a great conversation. So folks, we've we've been we've been sitting talking with Charlie Johnson, chief consciousness officer, and, I I hope that that that the folks that are listening, whether it's on the audio or watching on the video, really been able to get something out of this because I I know I certainly did. I I came into this trying to keep as open as a mind as I possibly could. And, again, in doing the research beforehand really prepared me for the type of conversation we were gonna have.
And, and you really did you made a very compelling case for it. And and and I gotta tell you that, I definitely would like to talk to you again about this at some point. Okay. Perfect. On a more one to one, like a personal level. Okay. We could do that at some point. So I I can Yes. I can get you all my contact information and we can we can get in touch with each other, you know, when you have time. It's it's no rush on this one. I'm very curious to learn more about this. So, so I I think that would be fantastic. So, So, Charlie, why don't you give us an idea as to, where we can all find you and get more information from you and about you?
[00:50:20] Unknown:
I like to take everyone to, LinkedIn because it's a live conversation of what a chief conscious officer is, but specifically what it's not. Okay. Because we have constructs and we're human. We immediately think chief consciousness officer and think some again, some tree hugging hippie that's gonna have everyone meditate. No. It's not. So, link LinkedIn backslash c j consciousness, I think it is, or just look me up with at Charlie Johnson. But I I don't like to drive people to a website static. I I want them to message me on LinkedIn. I want to talk to them live on LinkedIn. I want them to see the post and see the all the podcasts we've done so they can understand what this position is because everyone listening, whether they're customer service, have a company, or don't,
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there it's gonna plant in their seed. And it's it's something every company needs, and it's gonna be it's gonna be quick. I I agree with you, actually. And then then, again, part of the reason why I wanna talk to you outside of this is because I wanna kinda bring some of this information to the company that I work for. Great. Okay. I'll find you on LinkedIn. We could talk there. Well, I don't have a LinkedIn right now. I'm gonna go I'm gonna have to get one. I know, Bob. I'm gonna have to I'll get one. I'll get one. But, I do have your LinkedIn address. I'm gonna include all of the information for you in the show notes. Thank you. So that so folks can reach out to you. I know you've been you've been, messaging with Angela, my producer Perfect. Yes. Through LinkedIn. So, once I get that, I'll I'll I'll I'll find you on LinkedIn, and we'll connect that way.
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But, Charlie I'll shoot you my I'll shoot you my cell on a, an email. Oh, perfect. That'll be great.
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K. I'll I'll do the same back to you. So folks, this has been Charlie Johnson. Charlie, thank you again for taking the time out of your day to, to chat with us. And this has been Yeah. Really eye opening and I really do appreciate it. And, hey, keep up the great work, man. This is this is good stuff. This is really Thank you for helping spread awareness, man. Thank you, Joe. Hey. No problem. You have a great one. I'll talk to you soon. You too, man. Alright. See you. Alright, folks. So Charlie Johnson. So I hope that, really do hope that that was something that was, interesting to you and and maybe you did pull something out of that. And, again, like I said, you know, at the very outset, I, I wasn't sure the direction this conversation was gonna go because, again, I had not heard of this, particular position or the or the, or or the functionality of a chief consciousness officer in a in a company. But it is very interesting and, you know, I definitely do wanna learn more about this.
Alright. So what we'll do here is we're gonna take a break just for a couple of minutes. This way, I could kinda reset everything, and then we'll come back into the second hour, and we'll get into some of the headlines for today. Some really interesting things that I wanted to talk about and bring out, that that went on today, especially about, these, these, South African, refugees that arrived in The States, today. Or today. Yeah. It was today. And, so some of the reaction that you're getting, from the left on this is which is just utterly ridiculous.
But, so we'll we'll get to that when we come back from this very, very short break. Just maybe about two or three minutes, like I said. Just wanna refresh the coffee and change the set change the set up here for the, for that show. Alright. So, folks, this is the podcast, and we are really happy to be with you tonight, and we'll be back right after this. Just stay with us. Alright, folks. We are back. Welcome back to the Joe Ruse Podcast. My name is Joe Ruse. Welcome to hour number two of the podcast. So this is a new setup for us. First time we ever tried this. I hope that hope it went off somewhat okay. I know we have a little blooper at the beginning there, where the camera went on, then it went off, and then kinda weird. Not sure what happened there, but we got through it. We made it through. We're alive. We're in one piece, and we're all happy and peppy and bursting with love. Right? Right.
Alright. So, we had, Charlie Johnson on with us in the first hour, and, that was a a really fascinating and interesting conversation, and I really did appreciate that. And, so I'm looking forward to talking to Charlie outside of the show. This way, we can get some more information on this, and maybe we'll have him back on again, if he's if he'd be interested in doing that. I think that would be, be a lot of fun, actually. Alright. Now, also wanna let you know, I got the AC kicking in the background here, so I'm sorry if, if you hear that, back there again.
The problem is is that, today it hit a 11 degrees here in Eagle Pass. And, right now in the studio, even with the AC running I got the AC running and I got a cooling fan going. It is still right now 84 degrees in the studio. So it's a little uncomfortable. So if I look a little a little wet here, you know, it's because a little misty maybe, it's because of that. It's it's it's warm. And it doesn't help also that I'm drinking some really hot seventeen seventy six coffee. So but it's delicious, and it's worth it. $70.75 coffee. I'm sorry. 76 coffee is Alex Jones coffee. I'm not drinking that yet. Haven't tried it. Alright, folks. So sorry. So what's been going on here now? So we have so we have these afric these South African, refugees that have, have arrived here in The States.
And, it's it's it's actually incredible. The reaction that you're getting from the left. I mean, the left and I know this is we kinda just talked about some of the stuff with with, with Charlie Johnson, you know, about, you know, politically left and right and being in the middle of all this stuff. Well, I I lean right. I'm a conservatarian. You know that? I'm a small r Republican, if I can put it that way. I believe in Republican form of government. I believe in, I believe in a a a small central government, and I believe that, the power really resides in the in the state and the people.
So, you know, I'm not in a big r Republican tent. Having said that, I really cannot believe the reaction that you're getting from the left over this. Now, just just to give you some background on this, You had, I think, it was sixty sixty South African Africaners. These are these are white South African farmers who have been undergoing some incredibly difficult persecutions, in South Africa over the last, over the last several years. Where I think it was, hundreds hundreds of of these white South African farmers have been have been brutally executed and killed murdered in front of their families.
Whole families have been wiped out. It it's it's an absolutely horrible persecution that's being that's taking place in South Africa. And there and, of course, the South African government is doing that in as a, as a way of, of, well, what they're doing is they're taking away the land from the farmers, that have been farming these lands for half a millennia, basically, and, and and just decimating the farming population. It is it is absolutely terrible what is going on there. And I'm looking for a, I'm looking for a, a specific piece
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here.
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I may not have I may not have pulled it. Let me check this here. Alright. Well, I don't I don't have that particular one. But, so again so so you have 50 or 60 South African farmers that have been farming the land in South Africa for for over four hundred years. Alright? And they're being pushed off the land by the South African government, and the South African government is calling it a transformation. Alright? So what really gets me though is how the left who is, who who never found an immigrant that they didn't that they didn't like, or an illegal immigrant that they didn't like, has been on the warpath about these refugees coming here to The United States.
This this is from, from MSNBC, today.
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Well, in my view, what makes it different is that they are white South Africans. The president, in my view, has not hidden his racism behind a bushel. In fact, you know, in his policies, whether it's removing government workers or, in this case, admitting white South Africans while denying refugee status asylum seekers, from other countries, principally, Central and South American and and black nations to come into this country. And so I think that, you know, this policy, while it's not surprising in this action, really speaks of the underlying message in this that, disrespects and shows disdain for people of color, while embracing these, Afrikaners now and and also expediting the process by which they can come into the country while denying that same process to other refugees.
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Now the problem is, of course, that the quote, unquote refugees that she's talking about, the other refugees, she's talking about the illegal aliens that had that had illegally crossed into the country, under the under the previous administration. Alright? No legitimate refugee is being deported. No legitimate asylum seeker is being deported. Who are being deported are those folks that have come through this through the border illegally under the previous administration. So, that's what they're talking about. Now, of course, they're screaming racism because that's all the left has is scream racism.
But this, Let me let me go back to this. So the but this is not this has nothing to do with racism. This Donald Trump signed an executive order, back in, I think it was February, that, that, that that basically designated them as in need of asylum because of the persecution that they're undergoing. These people are being killed. They're being killed and their land is being taken from them. And if they're not being killed, their land is being taken from them without any kind of compensation. There is no compensation being given to them by the by the by the, South African government. And the reason why they're doing this is because they are white.
They are white, and the government of South Africa is trying to take the land away from them, to make them, you know, pay for, settling on the land four hundred plus years ago, their their ancestors. This this is absolutely disgusting, the left reactions for this. So that was, what was her name? That was, Donna Edwards from MSNBC, talking about how this is racism to be granting asylum to these white refugees. And then you had, then you have this.
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So the Trump administration, they're saying that essentially these white South Africans assimilate better, and they're also not as much of a security risk. That's really, causing a lot of of of people to be appalled, frankly. And I also should tell people that this violence that they're talking about that are dealing with these Afrikaans. I've been hearing from people that say there is violence in South Africa, but it's affecting everybody of every single race, Katie.
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Well, it's not. It's not affecting every single person of every race. This is affecting these white Afrikaners. That's who this is affecting. And then over on at CNN, you had, Ashley Allison, who's the, she was the the National Coalition's director for the 2020 Biden and Harris campaign. And basically who said that if these Afrikaners don't wanna be in South Africa, they can leave.
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And part of that is that the people who are native to that land deserve their rightful land back. That is not what the Afrikaners actually want to have happen, which are the white Africans. And so, who are not originally from Africa, who colonized South Africa also. And so, that is what they are saying is discrimination. Now, if the constitution in South Africa is discriminatory, they have their Africaners don't actually like the land, they can leave that country. They are. They're leaving to come here. No. Because these refugees are coming here. They can actually even go to where their native land is, which is probably Germany. Are you a guest in coming here? Holland probably. Holland?
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Avoided the avoided the question of, whether or not they were whether she didn't want them here. Now, what I was looking for earlier was this. The Afrikaners are mostly descendants of Dutch, settlers who who began to arrive at at the Cape Of Good Hope Colony in 1652. Alright. So that's before the ancestors of even many of the current black residents of the country, were there today. And regardless of that, why should they go back to Holland or Germany or or some other, you know, distant place of, quote, unquote, origin after four centuries?
If you think about it, that that's that's really, that's a that's a pretty extreme type of of of blood and and soil nationalism. Don't you think? I mean, the left here in this country tells us that we're we're at fault, and we're wrong for for being nationalistic in defense of our country, but you just heard it right there yourself. They can go back to their country of origin from four hundred years ago, which, by the way, they probably have never even set foot in. Why? Because South Africa was their home. South Africa was where they were born and raised. South Africa is where they have been for the generations. They have as much right to be in South Africa as as as, black Africans have to be in America.
So what's the issue here? These are people that are being killed. When we were talking with Charlie earlier, he was talking about the, the political and and racial divisions in this country are are are at the worst they've ever been, and you're seeing it right here. The the left is saying basically that, you know, this administration is racist, and we're all racist because we don't want these illegal aliens here. That they say that we are anti immigrant. No. Not anti immigrant. I'm anti illegal alien. I am anti you coming into this country illegally. That's the difference. These people are not coming here illegally. These people are being granted asylum. They're refugees coming from a, from from a government that is set out to kill them, to exterminate them.
How do you know that, Joe? How do you say that, Joe? How do I say they say it themselves. Look. Now that's Julius Malema Malema. He leads the, the EEF, the, the economic something fighters. Kill the boar. That is the white Africaners. Kill the farmer. Did you heard
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that? Shoot to kill. Kill the poor, the farmer. Kill the poor, the farmer.
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So the and that's exactly what's happening. They are killing these people. Probably probably, you know, the most interesting thing out of all of this is, is senator Chris Van Hollen, who who is so pro refugee that he went to El Salvador to do a photo op with a Salvadoran that was deported back to his home country who is credibly being accused of, of being an MS thirteen member, a human trafficker, a wife beater. But this senator, of course, demands that he gets returned to The United States. But here's what Van Holland had to say about the Afrikaners.
This is very, you know, where is it? Trump and Trump and Musk are about to give refugee status to 60 white South African South Africans who do not need it, while Trump locks up and deports refugees here who face genuine dangers in other countries. This is sick global apartheid policy being adopted by this lawless administration. Gilmore Obregon Garcia is here illegally. He crossed the border illegally. He's been accused of human trafficking. He he's a wife beater. He was caught by the Tennessee State Police trafficking human beings across the state?
Elon Musk posted on x. Very few people know that there is a major political party in South Africa that is actively promoting white genocide. The video below was just yesterday, a whole team, a whole arena chanting about killing white people. A month ago, the South African government passed a law legalizing taking property from white people at will with no payment. Where is the outrage? Why is there no coverage by the legacy media? Starlink can't even get a license to operate in South Africa simp simply because I'm not black. How is that right?
And then I I played the clip for you already. That's this one.
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Alliance.
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Shoot to kill Yamasa. Kill the poor, the farmer.
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Now the part of the clip that clip that I don't have is is the shot of the of the stadium that they're in, the arena that they're in, packed to the rim. Totally packed.
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This is a this is a clip of the South African president
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Saying that those people who are being enticed to go to The United States don't fit the definition of a refugee. He says they're not being persecuted.
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As we speak, 49 white African refugees are on their way to The United States. They will be received by the government of president Trump. What is your reaction to this?
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Well, we've raised our own concern because those people who are being enticed to go to The United States do not fit the definition of a refugee. Refugee is someone who has to leave their country out of fear of political persecution, religious, persecution, or or economic,
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persecution and That's what The United States says they're undergoing in South Africa. That's why they've opened the door for them. Yes. And and they don't fit that bill. They don't fit that description.
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And I I had a conversation with president Trump on the phone, and I he asked, he said, what's happening down there? And I said, president, what you've been told by those people who are opposed to transformation back home in South Africa is not true. And I added to him, I said, we were well taught by Nelson Mandela and other iconic leaders like Oliver Tambo on how to continue to build a united nation out of the diverse groupings that we have in South Africa. We're the only country on the continent where the colonizers came to stay, and we have never driven them out of our country.
So they are staying, and they are making great progress. It's a fringe grouping that does not have a lot of support, that is anti transformation and anti change, that would actually prefer to see South Africa going back to apartheid, type of policies. And I said to him, I would never do that. I learned at the feet of Nelson Mandela, and we intend to proceed with the implementation of our constitutional architecture. And I thought in my conversation with him early in the morning at 04:00 South African time, he understood that. And I said, I'd like to come and meet him so that we can discuss this matter further.
So those people who have fled are not being persecuted. They are not being, you know, hounded. They are not being treated badly, and they are leaving ostensibly because they don't want to embrace the changes that are taking place in our country in accordance with our constitution. So we think that, the American government has got the wrong end of the stick here, but we'll continue talking to them. So face to face meeting is coming up.
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So he says basically that, you know, no. Nothing's wrong. Everything's okay. Everything's fine. They just don't want to be they they they don't want to embrace the transformation that's taking place. Well, the, the government of South Africa posted this up on x. And let me let me put put a better shot of that up there. There you go. Now what's really interesting about this is that part that's bracketed in red. What that says is what the instigators of this falsehood seek is not safety, but impunity from transformation. They flee not from persecution, but from justice, equality, and accountability for historic privilege.
Let me read that to you again. What the instigators of this falsehood seek is not safety, but impunity from transformation. They flee not from persecution, but from justice, equality, and accountability for historic privilege. That line alone should chill you to the bone. No rhyme intended. So he keeps he's saying that the the well, the government of South Africa is saying that, these refugees that are claiming that their lives are in danger are lying, right, because of falsehood. Why? Because they don't want to face justice, accountability, and equality for historic privilege that they supposedly have had.
Gee, what kind of justice are they talking about? Are they talking about what Malima was talking about? Killing the farmer? Killing the boar? I would be concerned about that too. I would look to get out of that country too. And on Monday, they arrived here in The States. Deputy Secretary Troy Edgar posted this on x. He said in February, POTUS signed an executive order that Afrikaners fleeing persecution had a place in The United States. Today, I joined deprec deputy sect state in fulfilling that promise and welcomed 23 Afrikaner families to The United States.
Boy, these look like real hardcore racist people, don't they? Don't they? Because, you know, that's what they're accused of. They're accused of being racist and and, they're accused of, of of they're the ones that are being accused of committing violence. These folks are farmers. You know what they're they're like? They're like there there are two sects of of of, the white South Africans. There's the Africaners, who who are these folks, and then there's the ones of, of, European descent. Okay. You think you gotta think of it like this, These people, they don't enter they don't bother with anybody. They're they they're peaceful people. They're they're farmers.
They pretty much stay to themselves. You you could think about it in in the likes of, Mennonites and, the Amish here in in The States. There's no there's no conflict with the Amish or the Mennonites that they don't crime is extremely low. They stick to their own. They don't bother anybody. They live their lives. These are these are Christian people, these Afrikaners, and they're being killed because of the color of their skin and their ancestry. And when they left the country to come here, the president who who said they're not under any persecution, they're not you know, no nothing's happened to them, nobody's killing them, said this about them. When you run away, you're a coward,
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and that's a real cowardly act.
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Talking about the Afrikaners leaving to come to The United States under refugee status. They're cowards to him. Where's the clip I had of I guess I don't have the clip. Let me see if I have it here. Donald Trump had a had a statement about this. Okay. So let me let me let me screen share this one because I didn't I don't have the clip for it, but this is this is Donald Trump.
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Claims discrimination in their home country or heading to The United States Right. Where your administration is going to welcome them as refugees. Now Now this comes as you faulted virtually all refugee admissions for people fleeing famine and war from countries like Sudan, The Democratic Republic Of Congo. Why are you creating an expedited path into the country for the ponders but not others? Because they're being killed, And,
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we don't wanna see people be killed. Now South Africa leadership is coming to see me, I understand, sometime next week. And, you know, we're supposed to have a, I guess, a g twenty meeting there or something, but, we're having a g twenty meeting. I don't know how we can go unless that situation's, taken care of. But it's a genocide that's taking place that you people don't wanna write about, but it's a terrible thing that's taking place. And, farmers are being killed. They happen to be white, but whether they're white white or black makes no difference to me. But white farmers are being brutally killed and their land is being confiscated in South Africa. And the newspapers and the media, television media doesn't even talk about it. If it were the other way around, they talk about it. That would be the only story they talk about.
And, I don't care who they are. I don't care about their race, their color. I don't care about their height, their weight. I don't care about anything. I just know that what's happening is terrible. I have
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Alright. Well, I thought there was more of a clip than that, but but that's but that's the fact. And nobody can explain it any easier than than Donald Trump does. They're being killed. It's a genocide that's taking place, and and he and he and he put the he put the the heat right on the right on the mainstream meter right there. He said, and you people don't wanna write about it. South African president, that we just heard from, it sounded so reasonable. You know, no one's getting hurt. No one's being persecuted. Well, he signed a bill into law this year that allowed the state to appropriate private property without compensation.
He also signed an education bill, which detractors feel destroy Africans' immersion schools. And then, of course, you have all the murders that that that, were being directed against, quote, unquote, deserving Afrikaaners. You saw the video I played for you chanting kill the boar. And, of course, the New York Times defends that saying that it's a it's a one of the many battle cries of the anti apartheid movement, and they say that shouldn't be taken literally. Well, you should take it literally. You absolutely should, especially when there when when you have hundreds, hundreds of these farmers slaughtered.
As a matter of fact, I'm gonna try to I'm gonna try to pull this up really quick. I want you to see this. I tried to load it up into the, into the player, but it it wouldn't take. It was too big. Let me get this here for you. This is, I pulled this from from, Alex Jones, Band.videos. This is a a report pulled out by, put out by John Bowne, and, I'm gonna screen share this with you. Not that. This. Alright. Again, this is from Infowars, band.video, and this is the truth about the Africaners the Africaner refugees. It's a long one. I'm not gonna play the whole thing now.
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I I I don't know what's going to happen in the future. I'm saying to you, we've not called for the killing of white people, at least for now. I can't guarantee the future. Yeah. But, I mean, you'd understand somebody watching that, especially as it gets shared on Twitter, they freak out. It sounds like a genocidal
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cry babies. Shoot to kill.
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If things are going the way they are, there will be a revolution in this country. I can tell you now. According to the Transvaal Agricultural
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Union of South Africa, approximately 635 farm murders occurred between 2014
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and '24. Each one of those white crashes
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is still filed for a year, with 50 recorded in 2023 and thirty two in 2024. AFRI Forum, a minority rights group, reported 49 farm murders in 2023,
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aligning with TAO SA's figures. And at that point, my husband got up for the last time. And the the the one attacker said, just kill him, brother. And they shot him in the head, execution style in front of us, and he literally fell at my feet on his face. The government dismisses it. The government denies that it's happening. Our own president came to New York in September, and he stated in an interview with Bloomberg. There are no
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killings of farmers or white farmers in South Africa. There's no land grab in South Africa. We are involved in a process of discussing land reform.
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South African police service statistics indicate that 12 farm related murders occurred between October December '20 '20 '4. These grim numbers are a small fraction of South Africa's Nineteen Thousand plus annual murders illustrating that the land of Zeph is wrought with a variety
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of chaos. Americans don't understand that the rest of the world is not like America. You know, we we have a lot of very difficult things happening in the world today and it was very complicated because there are 27 tribes, black tribes. There are really two white tribes, Afrikaans and English, and they hate each other more than the black or white situation. The there were the history of the the fighting between the Dutch and the English just it makes most wars look tame. And then the the black tribes all hated each other for their hundreds of thousands of years of history.
And so the the the level of violence was just extraordinary. I remember getting to this concert and the the train doors open. And there's two black guys. And there's one black guy, or I would just caught the end of the fight, takes a knife and stabs it into the side of this guy's head, like, right like, right there. And this guy just drops dead. Boom. And you just you're on the train, got a whole bunch of people behind you wanna get off the train, but you've just got this dead guy in front of you. A 2012
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Reuters report noted a one third decline in white farmers since 1997, emphasizing robbery as the primary motive, not race. Yet the brutality, torture, machete attacks, and prolonged Mad Max level assaults continued to fuel a Western
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Afrikaners don't actually like the land, they can leave that country. They are. They're leaving to come here. No. They can These refugees are coming here. They can actually even go to where their native land is, which is probably Germany. So the Trump administration, they're saying that essentially these white South Africans
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assimilate better, and they're also not as much of a security risk. That's really, causing a lot of of of people to be appalled, frankly. These are the descendants
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of the people who created the most diabolical system of white supremacy in in human history, apartheid. About the white Afrikaners who were allowed into the country
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and what that means for the black folks and the black farmers. Well, Don, this is a slap in the face to America's Black Farmers right now. Unfortunately,
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the mindless underbelly of American history isn't rolling out the red carpet either, regardless that these refugees are a tiny number, mainly families waving the American flag, a sight for sore eyes.
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Good morning. This is for the South Africans who are going to be entering The United States. Our president, he he has secret service,
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and you will not. So what's gonna happen is that these people will start getting their ass whooped because they think it's okay to talk to us any old kind of way that they did out there in South Africa.
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Afrikaners have entered a country where a tragic suspected murder involving Texas black and white teenagers continues to tear at the seams, and disregard for human life has sunk to new lows.
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James Norman, known as Jim to his family and friends, was getting ready to go to dinner with his daughter and son-in-law. Authorities say the 79 year old had been vacuuming the back of his Chevy Trailblazer at the car wash. The engine was still running. That's when investigators say 29 year old Ryan Hewitt jumped into the driver's seat and took off with the victim still hanging out the back door. You kill one of us. You kill five of you. You kill one of us. You kill five of you. You kill one of us. You kill five white people. We'll kill the children. We'll kill the women.
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John Bowne reporting for Infowars.
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Alright. There was more to to the video too. There's another two minutes or so to it, but, I think you got the idea of what this video was about. And like I said, every one of those white crosses that you saw lining the road, those were for a white farmer, an Afrikaaner, that was killed and their land taken. I really I I I don't under I don't know what's wrong with the left in this country. It really is a mental illness. I say I've said it many, many times, and I'll keep on saying it. I'll say it over and over again. South African president Cyril Ramaphosa slammed Afrikaner refugees who left The United States on Tuesday saying it was a it was cowardly for them to leave racial discrimination and threatened expropriation.
I already played that clip for you. They may be feeling excited. They left the country. They've got somebody like US president Donald Trump, but in the end, it's a group of South Africans demonstrating that the changes and transformation that we are embarking upon here, they are not favorably disposed to it, and that's why they're running away. Now don't forget transformation refers to South Africa's policy of redistribution of wealth by race under penalty of law. Here's a here's a clip with, of, Joel Pollock, on the danger of white South Africans on the danger that the white South Africans are currently facing.
And, there it is. There it is. And that, president the president is accurate that members of the group are facing racial discrimination and threatened of expropriation.
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Here we go. You know, I'd love to start with what president Trump had to say. He said these people are suffering from land confiscation, discrimination, and genocide. Tell me about what's happening in South Africa and if that's an accurate description.
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Well, over those three terms, genocide might be a bit premature. But when you look at the statements of leading South African politicians, notably Julius Malema, who held a rally on South Africa's Human Rights Day in March and proclaimed, kill the farmer, shoot the farmer, kill the boor, boor being another term for Afrikaner, a member of the group you just described. That ought to have been taken up by South Africa's judicial system, but the courts decided not to intervene. Even in this country, that would be outlawed. It's not protected speech under the first amendment if it's incitement to immediate harm or violence. And that's what that is. So members of that group certainly have good reason to fear.
The government, the South African government passed a law called the expropriation act, which allows property, not just farms, to be taken without compensation. And it is circulating regulations that restrict the percentage of white employees that can work in various industries. So the president is accurate that members of that group are facing racial discrimination and the threat of expropriation.
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So there there's abundant evidence. There's abundant information out there that that is that is demonstrating this particular threat to these white farmers, these Afrikaners. And I firmly believe that the Trump administration was was was correct in extending the executive order that they did back in February and welcoming these refugees here to The United States. And you know what's gonna happen? They're gonna come in. They're gonna assimilate into the country. They're gonna farm their land, and you're not gonna hear from them because these are not violent people. Like I said, these these people are akin to, like, the Amish and the Mennonites.
These are deeply religious people. These are people who are Christian, keep to themselves, and just work the land. And that's exactly what they're gonna do here to the detriment of South Africa. Because before you know it, when enough leave, they're gonna be reaching out to the United Nations. They're gonna be reaching out to other nations around the world for money because they're gonna need it for food. It's gonna happen. I guarantee it. I guarantee it. Then you had the Episcopal Church that made a statement, that basically says that the Episcopal Church is not gonna help the Afrikaners.
In light of our church's steadfast commitment to racial justice and reconciliation and our historic ties with the Anglican Church of South Africa of Southern Africa, We are not able to take this step. Accordingly, we have determined that by the end of the federal fiscal year, we conclude our refugee resettlement grant agreements with the US federal government. That wasn't the quote I was looking for.
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Let me see if I can get that.
[01:44:34] Unknown:
This is the letter. Dear people of God in the Episcopal Church I'm not gonna read the whole thing. Oh, maybe I will. We'll see. I'm writing today with some significant news about Episcopal Migration Ministries, the organization that leads the Episcopal Church's refugee resettlement ministry. Since January, since January, the previously bipartisan US refugee admissions program in which we participated essentially shut down. Virtually no new refugees have arrived. Hundreds of staff in resettlement agencies across the country have been laid off, and funding for resettling refugees who have also who have already arrived has been uncertain. Then just over two weeks ago, the federal government informed Episcopal Migration Ministry that under the terms of our federal grant, we are expected to resettle white Afrikaners from South Africa whom the US government has classified as refugees.
In light of our church's steadfast commitment to racial justice and reconciliation and our historic ties with the Anglican Church of South Southern Africa, we are not able to take this step. Accordingly, we have determined that by the end of the federal fiscal year, we will conclude our refugee resettlement grant agreements with the US federal government. I want to be very clear about why we made this decision and what we believe lies ahead for the for the Episcopal Migration Ministry's vital work. It has been painful to watch one group of refugees selected in a highly unusual manner now just listen to this. It has been painful to watch one group of refugees selected in a highly unusual manner receive preferential treatment over many others who've been waiting in refugee camps or dangerous conditions for years.
I am saddened and ashamed that many of the refugees who are being denied entrance to The United States are brave people who worked alongside a military in Iraq and Afghanistan and and now face danger at home because of their service to our country. I also grieve that victims of religious persecution, including Christians, have not been granted refuge in recent months. As Christians, we must be guided not by political vaguarities, but that's exactly what they're doing, but by the sure and certain knowledge that the kingdom of God has revealed to us and struggles of those in in margins. And the letter goes on.
So the long and short of it is that the the Episcopal Church is not going to be helping these refugees. It's it's it's disgusting. I know I shouldn't leave, you know, no no sound for for a bit there. I understand that. So then the White House, of course, condemned the Episcopal Church on Tuesday after it withdrew from the federal refugee program in a in a Monday letter, which we already read. And then, deputy press secretary, Anna Kelly said this at the White House. The Episcopal Church's decision to terminate its decades long partnership with the US government over the resettlement of 59 desperate Afrikaner refugees raises serious questions about its supposed commitment to humanitarian aid. Any religious group should support the plight of Afrikaners who have been terrorized, brutalized, and persecuted by the South African government. The Afrikaners have faced unspeakable horrors and are no less deserving of refugee settlement than the hundreds of thousands of others who were allowed into The United States during the past administration.
President Trump has made it very clear refugee resettlement should not refugee settlement should be about need, not politics. Not politics. But, of course, there is no hope for the Episcopal church. They have gone so extremely woke and so extremely to the left that they are gonna play politics with this, and that's exactly what they're doing. But I'm sure that there are other organizations that are gonna pop up, they're gonna take care of these folks, and, you know, I I welcome them to The United States. I pray they do well, and I hope more come.
I hope more come. We should be farming. We should have experienced. I mean, the Dutch are known to be some of the best farmers in the world. It's our benefit to have them here. Bring them all. At least they'd be providing something to to our culture and our society. I really have a few more minutes before we have to wrap this thing up. So let's, let's just talk really quickly about some of the achievements, of president Trump's trip overseas to the Middle East. You know, you you know that that you're respected in the world when the crown prince in Saudi Arabia.
Well, first of all, you should have seen if if you didn't see the news, which I'm surprised they actually showed, but the motorcade that was provided to president Trump with the Arabian cavalry escorting it was unbelievable sight to be seen. And then you had, Mohammed, well, they call him MBS. I I can't say his whole name. Tongue ties me. Totally breaks protocol and greets president Trump personally and escorts him personally. Not sure what happened to the sound there, but but there he is. You know you're not supposed to touch the crown prince. Right? Just patted him on the shoulder. That's Donald Trump, boy.
But that's breaking protocol. That's respect. The Saudis wouldn't even take Joe Biden's phone calls. Just think about that. They wouldn't even take Joe Biden's phone calls, and yet here, you have the crown prince breaking protocol to to personally escort Donald Trump to the table where they signed a $1,200,000,000,000 economic commitment in Qatar. Let's see if that's gonna work.
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It's my honor to announce the signing of a joint declaration of cooperation between the state of Qatar and The United States Of America. Signed on behalf of the state of Qatar by his highness, Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, a mayor of the state of Qatar, and the honorable Donald j Trump, president of The United States Of America.
[01:52:58] Unknown:
So another victory for Donald Trump. So, the the fact sheet that was released today from the White House, president Trump signed an agreement with Qatar to generate an economic exchange worth at least $1,200,000,000,000. Trump also announced economic deals totaling more than 243,500,000,000.0, between The US and Qatar, including an historic sale of Boeing aircraft and GE aerospace engines to Qatar Airways. Since taking office, his commitment president Trump's commitment to American manufacturing innovation has attracted trillions of dollars in investment in global commercial deals. Allies like Qatar are partnering in The United States' success.
The following represent just a few of the many groundbreaking details secured in Qatar. Boeing and GE Aerospace secured a landmark order from Qatar Airways, a $96,000,000,000 agreement to acquire up to 210 American made Boeing seven eighty seven Dreamliner and seven seventy seven seventy seven x aircraft powered by GE Aerospace Engines. This historic agreement will support a 54,000 US jobs annually, totaling over 1,000,000 jobs in The United States during the course of the production and delivery of this deal. McDermott has a strong partnership with Qatar Energy in advancing critical infrastructure with seven active projects worth 8,500,000,000.0.
Parsons has successfully won 30 projects worth up to 97,000,000,000. Quantinium finalized a joint venture agreement, and Qatar will invest up to $1,000,000,000 in state of the art quantum technologies. Folks, this is this is what we voted for. The United States and Qatar have a long history of trading, strong commercial relationships, including significant long term aviation, critical infrastructure, information technology, and consulting deals. Qatar's strategic goals outlined in Qatar National Vision 2030 create opportunities for US businesses in multiple sectors. The United States had a $2,000,000,000 surplus with Qatar, a trade Qatar a trade surplus with Qatar in 2024 and has had a positive trade balance with Qatar since 02/2003.
In 02/2004, US Qatar traded trade totaled 5,600,000,000.0 with 3,800,000,000.0 in US exports and 1,800,000,000.0 in Qatari imports. Folks, another victory, another win for this administration. This is this is a big deal. This is big. This is really big. This is exciting stuff. This is this is making America great again. This is making America wealthy again. This is making America strong again. This has been a total success for this administration, and this is wonderful. This is just absolutely wonderful. And this is, this is, president Trump leaving, Saudi Arabia after, after this incredible, incredible trip abroad.
The hands of the hearts. Everybody's happy, smiles everywhere, successful trip. Now back here at home, there was, there was a, a hearing at the, the House Homeland Security, hearing on Wednesday. That would be today. And, it was supposed to be about the budget, but the Democrats, of course, decided to go after, Christy Noem, the the Homeland Security secretary, with questions about Gilmore Abrego Garcia, you know, the Maryland man, you know, the the the illegal alien who was who who was deported back to his home country in El Salvador. And, the exchange really did not go very well for, for for Dan Goldman.
And, let's, because, basically, Kristi Noem, I I think personally, ended his career Right here. Twenty five second clip. Go. Mister Abrego Garcia,
[01:57:23] Unknown:
pursuant to this court order. It's gotta be extremely dis discouraging to be one of your constituents. To see you fight for a terrorist like this and not fight for them is extremely,
[01:57:34] Unknown:
alarming to me. I'm fighting for due process. Constituencies. And that's under the constitution. Gentleman's time has expired due process. The gentleman's time has expired. I now recognize miss Green for five minutes of questioning. Thank you, mister chairman. The gentleman there. We'll we'll get we'll get to Marjorie Taylor Greene in a second. But
[01:57:52] Unknown:
I want you to hear that that he that first of all, the groan in the in the crowd when she said that. Well deserved. Well deserved comment. But you heard him say that he was fighting for due process. Due process applies to American citizens. It is a protection against the government for the American citizen. Kilmore Abrego Garcia is not an American citizen. Therefore, he does not protected under the under the fifth amendment in the process of in in due process. So that line is is is is absolutely ridiculous. He is not protected by the United States Constitution.
He is not an American citizen. He's an illegal alien who was deported to his home country. And then Marjorie Taylor Greene gets into this this sparring match with, again, Dan Goldman as if he hasn't already learned a lesson when, when when, Marjorie Taylor Greene tried to enter information from, attorney general Pam Bondi, which basically listed all of the evidence exposing Abrego Garcia as an MS thirteen member. Let's take a look.
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An appellate board agreed. I saw You are misreading what they lies and reliable Mister Goldman, the performance. The clock is not yours right now. She has the floor. Please continue answering the question. Thank you, mister chairman.
[01:59:46] Unknown:
A Maryland County She's not answering the question, sir.
[01:59:49] Unknown:
No. She's gonna answer the question, and then you can object and make sure that she answers the question.
[01:59:55] Unknown:
Finish answer you just said please finish your your answer. A Maryland county police gang unit agreed that he's MS thirteen. A reliable confidential informant agreed that he's MS thirteen. ICE officers agreed that he's MS thirteen. An immigration judge agreed that he's MS thirteen. An appellate board agreed that Kilmar Abrego Garcia, your Maryland man, is MS thirteen.
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Okay.
[02:00:25] Unknown:
I object, Flor. What do you wanna say? I object because she is misstating
[02:00:30] Unknown:
the record and the facts that is not accurate, and therefore, I object to that being introduced. No. Can I explain? You you let her go on. Yep. She you you go ahead. There is no final court order establishing that he's a member. Maybe he is. So you should put all that evidence before a judge, and if he is MS 13, he should be deported.
[02:00:53] Unknown:
That's that's what we're talking about, but you're misstating Mhmm. What the all of that evidence is. No. I I I think I'm gonna make an appoint here. You basically just read what the attorney general said. Correct? Yes, sir. You didn't assert that this was a court order, did you? Did you assert that this was a court order? I read the the attorney general of The United States have a right on our committee to submit for a unanimous consent or a vote if we wanna put it to a vote.
[02:01:20] Unknown:
This for the record. Correct? Is that Yes. That is correct. Okay. Mister chairman, can I review can I review what whether what she is No? She can submit something to this committee, but it matters that she she just said she represented exactly what the attorney general said. She has a document there. I would like to keep a document. Let's make a copy for everybody. Representative. And we'll vote on I'm gonna deal hold on. Hold on just a second. We're gonna hold. We're
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you're calling for the question? We're calling for the question. The clerk, we're gonna need to set hold on just a second. Brief reset.
[02:01:57] Unknown:
Wait. Let's let's get this off the store. Yeah. No. This is great. We're voting some
[02:02:04] Unknown:
water. Alright. There's Higgins. I'm just asking. Hold on. You the document. I have I I have before. Alright. So we have a motion to vote on the submission of this, for the record. That's all that has been stated. And so I am do not interrupt me again. We are on the vote on whether or not this can be entered into the record, and a motion has been made, and we will vote on that motion. All of those in I have a I have a
[02:02:38] Unknown:
Christy Noem had it absolutely correct that it is absolutely discouraging to see to for his constituents to see him fighting for a terrorist the way he's fighting for a terrorist and not for them. So more fireworks over Kilmar Abrego Garcia, which should really be just a zero issue at this point and, just absolute just a a waste. So I I just wanna close the show out today with, some RFK stuff. We haven't really covered too much. But, but RFK was up on the hill today, and, he was giving testimony before senate. And, this is what he had to say in number 15. Here we go. The budget for my agency
[02:03:29] Unknown:
increased by 38% over the Biden administration, and Americans got sicker, and more Americans overdosed, and more Americans died from cancer. And we have now an epidemic of colorectal cancers in our children. And the chronic disease rate has now gone up to sixty percent. The autism rate has dropped to one in thirty one children. And all that money that was supposed to cure those diseases or avert them, none of it worked. All we need is leadership and a new vision, and I'm bringing that to my agency. So we're actually doing more with less, and we are gonna continue to do that. And what I'm doing at my agency is I'm realigning all these preferred incentives, and I've driven up cost and driven down health.
I'm realigning so that people can make money in this country and markets can make money.
[02:04:21] Unknown:
And then he and then he was talking about, how the how it it how a little more detail, I think, about how it expanded over 38%, and there was no improvement.
[02:04:38] Unknown:
This my department grew by 38% over the last four years. I would say that's great if Americans got healthier, but they didn't. They got worse. So what we're trying to do is go back to the, you know, pre night the pre COVID levels and to start making the department function as it would if you, you know, in a rational universe and to bring in, you know, modern AI and telemedicine and all the opportunities we have now. These new efficiencies and for medical delivery to the American people and for patient care, and we're not able to take advantage of any of them because there's so much chaos and disorganization in this department and everybody who's gone up against it in the past has thrown their hands up and given up.
Yeah. What we're saying is let's organize in a way that I can quickly adopt and deploy all these opportunities we have to really deliver high quality health care to the American people.
[02:05:41] Unknown:
RFK Jr is doing a fantastic job at HHS. I am so pleased with what he's doing. He's he's bringing transparency, and he's he's bringing, clarity. He's exposing things that that have gone under the table for so many years. You know, the the the department expanded 38% over four years of Joe Biden, but yet nothing improved. And his solution to this is not to throw more money at it. His solution is to scale everything back. How refreshing is that to hear from a government agency? I don't want more money. I don't want more money. More money is not gonna help. It's not gonna solve the problem. We have to do this smart. We have to address the issues through policy change.
We have to address the issue through staff change. We have to address the issue through education. We have to every other way to make improvement without adding extra money to it. That's the way it should work, and that's the way it has been working under this administration as a whole and particularly under HHS secretary Robert f Kennedy junior. It's a home run, and I am very, very, very thankful that he is there. Alright, folks. That's gonna do it for us for tonight. Shout out to our executive producers, Wayne and Rosanna Rankin, also to our producer, anonymous Angela. Thank you all so much for what you do. Folks, don't forget to check us out on our socials.
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Introduction and Housekeeping
Interview with Charlie Johnson: Chief Consciousness Officer
Discussion on South African Refugees
President Trump's Middle East Trip and Achievements
Homeland Security Hearing and Political Commentary
RFK Jr.'s Testimony on Health and Human Services
