In this episode of the Joe Rooz Show, Joe welcomes back Andy Campbell, an inspirational author and survivor of numerous personal tragedies, including cancer and the loss of his son. Andy shares his 15 core beliefs that have helped him overcome setbacks and build resilience. These beliefs include embracing humility, following one's heart, and persevering through challenges. Joe and Andy discuss how these principles can be applied to everyday life, offering listeners valuable insights into personal growth and resilience.
In the second hour, Joe discusses the recent U.S. military strikes on Iran's nuclear facilities, which were carried out with precision and no American casualties. He reflects on President Trump's decision to authorize the strikes, despite initial reservations about U.S. involvement, and emphasizes the importance of peace through strength. Joe also highlights the subsequent ceasefire agreement between Israel and Iran, marking the end of the twelve-day conflict.
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(00:00:59) Introduction and Housekeeping
(00:08:50) Interview with Andy Campbell
(01:30:15) Discussion on US-Iran Conflict
(02:08:29) Conclusion and Upcoming Episodes
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Now, Andy Campbell is a survivor. He's an inspirational author. He's overcome some incredible life altering changes. He's he was the victim of child sexual abuse. He was a victim of bullying. He lost his mom at at a very early age. And then, there was this eventual, this estrangement that, took place with his father. And then and then, his battle with stage four pancreatic cancer. And while struggling with stage four pancreatic cancer, he lost his youngest son to suicide. So, we spoke to Andy last week, and, we invited him back to continue talking about, some of the things that, that he that helped him get through all of this stuff. And, look, you know, despite going through all of these surgeries, therapy treatment, chemotherapy treatments, and all the loss, Andy has come through in a remarkable, strong way.
And through all of these experiences that he's been through, he's developed a very unique perspective on resilience and the power of his 15 core beliefs. And that's where we left off with him last week, and that's where we're gonna pick it up now. So, Andy, if you're, if you're there, if you're ready to go, just, turn on your camera, turn on your mic, and let's get crack a lacking. There he is.
[00:10:21] Unknown:
Yep. How you doing? I'm doing great, brother. How are you? Good. Chrome was giving me a fit tonight, so I apologize for flashing in and out. And everywhere it wouldn't let me in, you know, enable the camera. So I apologize for the interruption. That's alright. It was a little confusing. I kinda fumbled my way through the opening.
[00:10:38] Unknown:
So it it was alright. It was okay. But we have persevered. We're here, man. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Your your 15 core beliefs that that don't outrun the universe, you know? So You gotta work inside the boundaries, man. There you go. You gotta work inside the boundaries. And you gotta remember, there are no hard decisions. That's right. There aren't. So I'm just we're just going through the list right here. So I'm looking at them I'm looking over them. So, how was your week, man? How how you how you been?
[00:11:02] Unknown:
It was good. You know? It was a good week. You have these things that happen along the way that raise up something. You know? I had, last night, I had a a young man, probably 12, 14 years old, young guy. And, I just take my dogs for a walk. My wife was with me, and he comes walking up to me and, gives me a car to start at a business to, you know, pick up dog poop in your yard. But, he had the same haircut as my son. He had the same, like, look like, it just, it was one of those emotional things. And I think a lot of times, life is like that. It just comes out of nowhere. And you really need to we we need to be able to be firm enough to, you know, take those things that happen that are unexpected even you know, that that's that's not something, like, it's not like I'm losing him again, but it it's something that brings up a lot of memories. And and I think that happens across a lot of different emotions, a lot of different experiences for people. And we have to learn how to just roll with that, understand what's gonna understand it happens, and understand that there's emotions tied to it. Mhmm. And, you might break down and cry about it. I mean, I think we've all been through things that they just flash across our mind and they affect us. And I think that's just part of being a human, being alive. And so we can't let those things stop us every time they happen. Right? We have to we have to kind of persevere even through the small things. Perseverance just in about the big things. Right? That's right. Yeah.
[00:12:45] Unknown:
Absolutely right. Now, So a good week overall. That was one way of saying it. A good week overall. Yeah. That's great, brother. I'm I'm glad to hear that. I I've I've shared your story with a number of people, over the course of the last week. And, we were really looking forward to to having you back on because, we we we stopped around the core beliefs the last time. And, what I'd like to do, because each one of these, we could sit and talk about them for a while, you know, for each one of these, these individual cores core beliefs that you that you've put together here. And, maybe just for folks that maybe hadn't checked out the other episode, but they were on with this, can you just kinda run us through, how you came about with these core beliefs and and what spurred what brought them upon?
[00:13:29] Unknown:
Yeah. Through so I guess I would start with saying I kind of see words and pictures. You know, some people hear words and they understand them as words. I if you say something, I see a picture. And so for me to it can get kind of a complex picture or complicated, so I have to be able to break things down into for me to remember them, I have to remember, you know, what I what I I tend to think of them as metaphrases. You know? They're they're little phrases that mean a lot more, underneath than what the phrase says. And so as I've gone through things in my life, I don't know why, but along the way, I would just write down these little phrases.
Things that I believe I've observed, things that I believe are true. Generally speaking, there's always an exception to a rule, but I I needed things that I could kind of hang on to between the moment that an event would take place and when I eventually felt like I couldn't move forward from that event. I need something in between that would kinda help guide me and keep me from, you know, losing it, right, or making bad decisions, which I've made a thousand up. Right? So so these things became, like, aspirational for me. Like, I would I would write them down, and then when something would happen, I would think about, I would think about these things. And over time, I thought of them as kind of, beliefs that were core to me. They became, like, ingrained over time. So I started to refer to them as my core beliefs. I I I got five to get you know, I've written down. I got to five. I thought, okay. Well, that'll be and eventually, five turned to ten and ten turned to 15. And, so that's how they kinda came to be, which is a way for me to remind myself very quickly of big topics and how I should, use those phrases to help me, you know, what became the title of the book, which was overcome setbacks. Like, how can I overcome this setback? I can look to these core beliefs and kinda have an anchor, that can help get me through. So that's the purpose.
[00:15:40] Unknown:
Alright. Now we're gonna go through these core beliefs. And and, folks, if you if you if you haven't checked him out from the last episode and you haven't looked these things up, I mean, these things are pretty they're pretty, all encompassing is, I guess, the way I'm looking the word I'm looking for for this. And, you start off with no one outruns the universe. Yeah. So give us an idea. So that's what we do. So we're gonna go through these one by one, and, I'm gonna I'm gonna throw it out to you. You're gonna take the time to explain it.
[00:16:12] Unknown:
Yeah. No one outruns the universe is, that one's about arrogance because I've been arrogant before. And, I have seen people who are they are arrogant enough to think they have thought of something for the first time. They have been through something the first time. They're smarter than everybody else. And and eventually, you know, the universe catches up with you. It was designed, I believe, in a cert it functions in a certain way. Right. And, it it is no one outruns the universe is a reminder to me, do not be so arrogant that you think you're smarter than what the creator created. You're not. You live inside what the creator created.
And so those rules that he put in place, when the creator put those rules in place for the universe, they apply to you. Don't be so arrogant you think you can get away with it. You're not gonna get away with anything. So it's just it's a reminder to me, to be humble, which is difficult. But, you know, I mean, I you know, like you there's always some time where we could have been had a little more humility. Okay. And so, and to be accepting things work the way they work. The universe works the way it works. And I think a lot of times when we don't accept the way the universe functions, then we become disgruntled.
We start, looking for ways around it. We think we can, you know, help. In a sense, what I would say, we think we can outrun it. Right? Like, and I think it's kind of the foundation of what, you know, it has been taught about, forgiveness and, you know, when people say moving on, I think some of it is, realizing that no one else outruns it either. It's not just you. The universe will catch up with you, you and and it will corner you. And some of us have had those experiences where we have we have gotten to a place through our own making, and and it has caught up with us and helped us see that there is a more optimal way to live. Mhmm. Maybe that's alcohol, drugs, a lot of other things I've experienced. I've experimented or either used heavily all most of them, you know, to deal with some of the childhood stuff that I didn't really realize until later in life, but I thought that was an example.
You know? Like, you don't outrun it, face it, man up, face the problem, and deal with it.
[00:18:40] Unknown:
I like what you have, on, your your your bio. It says, that's for no one outruns the universe. Embrace humility and acceptance knowing you're part of a larger plan.
[00:18:51] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. I like that. That that's a pretty good summarization of it. Alright. Well And you are. I think that's big in a lot of these things. How do you come back from these things? I think it's important to believe. I read a thing, a post that a guy did today, and it it told a story. But the the the end of it was, he wants he wants to be seen. He wants to know that god sees him. And I think that, you know, knowing that you're believing that you're a part of a larger plan and approaching it with humility, kind of instills in us that we are seen by the creator. Like, we we are there's something bigger than what we're going through at this moment. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. That makes a lot of sense.
[00:19:34] Unknown:
What about, there are no hard decisions, only hard consequences?
[00:19:40] Unknown:
I found when I I had decided to stop doing chemotherapy when, I think it was, like, round 15. And I felt like I was coming apart on the inside. Like, I was gonna actually, just one day, it was gonna be like a baseball with its with the strings coming, you know, coming down and the and the leather starts to come off the ball. And I felt like one day, I was just gonna bleed out. You know, like, I'd just be walking someplace, and I would just start bleeding out. So I I had this, like, this really soft voice in my head telling me that I needed to stop chemotherapy. Now it wasn't like a quitting, like I just wanted to die. It was just this voice that was saying it's time for you to stop.
And I had really bad reactions, like, from the twelfth to the fifteenth, really bad reactions. And so I was ready. But then there was this really loud voice that was telling me all the things that would go wrong, all the bad stuff that would the consequences of making that choice, of following that that kinda still soft voice. And without going through all the details, what happened was some events happened over ninety days from the day I decided to stop chemotherapy. I followed the still soft soft voice, not the loud one. And ninety days later, I was in a trial. And that was six years ago, and I'm still here. Okay. Praise the lord. And I and when I first got diagnosed, my prognosis was, you know, six to eight months, something like that. But at at at the outside, you know, somewhere between four and six months, maybe eight months if for some reason I suffered and and lived that long.
So what I did looking back on that, I wrote this one down because I realized my mind could only process the negative consequences. It didn't really think about any positive consequences because I hadn't experienced positive consequences yet. So I'm limited in what I can think. I could not think that, okay, just give it ninety days. Because in ninety days, this trial is gonna come open, and your daughters your oldest daughter is gonna find it, and then your wife's gonna work it out so you get into it. And then they're just gonna say fly up. And then, you know, in ninety five days, you're gonna be sitting in a trial, and you're gonna you you're gonna continue to live. I couldn't think of that as a consequence of the decision because it hadn't happened yet. K. So all I could think of was the loud, hard consequences that my mind was telling me would happen if I made this decision.
And what I reason I wrote that down was because actually I real I realized that actually, people say it all the time. I've said it before. Wow. That was a hard decision, or I can't make up my mind because that's a hard decision. And that one moment showed me and, again, it's it's it's for me, it's a belief. It's not an absolute rule. I'm sure there are exceptions. But it reminds me to separate what I anticipate a consequence of a decision to be from the decision. Because if I listen closely, I believe that that still small voice will tell me the right decision. What'll happen is my mind will then come up with all the really the things that I think are probable, but they're probably not probable. They might just be possible.
But it will take all these hard consequences. And then what we do as human is, humans, we take the hard consequences that we imagine will happen, and we pick them up and put them on the decision. And then we call the decision hard when really if we separate the consequences from what we, you know, what that still that quiet voice is telling us we should do. If you can separate those two, then it becomes a choice of the courage to face the possibility of those consequences, but do what you know is right. And so that's that's how that one came around. Right?
Follow your heart, face the consequences with courage. Listen to that still small voice, and don't give in to the loud potential hard consequences. Keep those two separated. I think that makes decision making easier. Well, it makes the decision
[00:23:35] Unknown:
more clear. It still doesn't make it easier. You still have to have the courage to make the decision you know is the right one. Yeah. No. I I get you. I totally get you. And I like I like the little caption you put here. It's, follow your heart and face the consequences with courage.
[00:23:49] Unknown:
Yeah. Your mind's gonna tell you all kind of bad stuff. I mean, look, is there ever, like, those times, but I've I've had people come back to me and say, you know, I was having this really difficult decision, and I thought about it. And, actually, I did know what to do. I was just afraid of the consequences. And once I got rid of those, or once I set once I separated them, the decision acts really clear. And I think it gets muddled when you let the two come together. Right? Like, muddy is the water. Like, separate those two out and make the decision based on what you know the right thing to do is and have the courage. Because what I have found is that it takes courage to get to the other side of the decision to realize that the consequences you were afraid of were not as likely as you thought they were.
Maybe something much better will happen. Yeah. That's a that's actually a great point.
[00:24:39] Unknown:
That's a great point. A lot of times we kinda go into things with just like blinders on, you know. We're not really looking at what the outcomes of those problems are. And I think that when you do focus on them, and you and you do, if you're always keeping your your your mind focused on what those the consequences to your actions are gonna be, you know, you're not gonna step out of the comfort zone that you live in. You're not gonna step out of, of of the routine that you follow, and you're not gonna take those chances. And I think that you have to take chances sometimes. You have to step outside and, even and and as far as decision making goes, I mean, we all come across, hard decisions every day, every single day.
Sometimes harder than others, in some circumstances harder than others. But the reality of it is is if you hide yourself from the consequences of at least that's the way I'm taking it is. Is if you hide your if you hide from the consequences of things, you're never gonna take a chance. You're never gonna step outside your comfort zone, step outside your boundaries, and you might be very surprised at what you can accomplish if
[00:25:52] Unknown:
you got it Well, I think that's true. If you put that aside. And it happens all the time. Right? Like, we, yeah. Like I said, it's to me, the the practice is, I don't do it always, but what I work to practice is when I'm when I'm thinking about a decision, if my mind goes to, oof, this is a hard decision Mhmm. I work to immediately have myself separate out what I think are the consequences. And then through prayer, meditation, or just a breathing exercise, just something to quiet my mind and listen for that softer voice Right. That you can't really hear because the damn consequences are so loud, like it's yelling at you. So you can't hear this little soft voice. Then if you can if I can separate those two and I can get quiet for a couple minutes, usually, like, that thing, you know, it it kinda works its way through. Or maybe it takes ten minutes or maybe it takes a day, but the idea is to become disciplined in separating away the consequences. Don't let the don't let the fear of the consequences, you know, keep you from your dream. Don't let it stop you from doing, you know, a livestream. Don't let it stop you from doing these things. Right? You know, like, set the consequences aside for a moment and just think about whether what is the right decision irrespective of the consequences. Right.
[00:27:10] Unknown:
Which makes a ton well, to me anyway, makes a ton of sense. It it does. What about, let's see. This one was interesting. Always fall forward.
[00:27:21] Unknown:
Yeah. So, again, I'm very visual. I think of as of, you know, I mean, if you play play football or contact sports, you've always been hit so hard, you've gone backwards. Somebody has hit you hard enough that you've gone backwards. Oh, sure. And I think that's, kinda metaphorical for some of these difficulties in life that, you know, that happened when I was diagnosed. When I got the diagnosis, a pancreatic cancer the day before, they told me they found lesions on my liver. And I I sent my doctor a message and said, hey. Liver cancer is bad, but at least not pancreatic cancer. And then the next day, they got the MRI results, and it was pancreatic cancer. And so I think, for me, always fall forward. I go back to, you know, if you're a linebacker and somebody runs over you or you're running back and you just get leveled, you know, one of the things I think you always wanna do is as best you can, if you get knocked backwards, get back towards your hands and knees as fast as you can, but get your head pointed back toward the line of scrimmage. It's kind of the visual. Right? Like Yeah. Right yourself. Whichever way you got hit, you got knocked back, you've been hit so hard, you lost your breath, you've had this terrible thing that's happened, and you're not really sure what to do, then don't try to do anything except get your head back toward the line of scrimmage. Right? At least get your head turned around Yeah. In the direction that you were going before you were, before you were knocked down or before you were, hit with this event.
And so that one is there to remind me, you're going to have these things that happen, but that doesn't mean your goals change. And to reach your goals, you need to get your head back toward the direction that you were headed that you were going before you had this event occur. And so I think a lot of times after an event occurs, we get kinda sidetracked. Like, we we get disoriented, and we're not exactly sure which way to go and what do we do. And and it's just a reminder to me, you know, keep moving towards your goals even when you fall. You know? Get your get yourself turned around and remember the goal before the event happened. Yeah. It's funny with with because,
[00:29:27] Unknown:
like you said, you you visualize things with with words, and you you know, and I'm looking at always fall forward. And I don't know why, but for some reason, it reminded me of a quote that, general Patton was known to say. And that is that, they they don't like he doesn't he doesn't like to retreat because he didn't like to pay for the same real estate twice. Yeah. Yeah. You know? So I don't I don't know if that exactly falls in line with always falling forward, but for some reason, that's that's what came to my mind when you were as you were talking and I was looking at at my notes here.
[00:30:02] Unknown:
Well, let's see. That that's kind of the point of it. And, actually, I think it is, you know, appropriate. Right? It is there will be setbacks. The the objective is you had a goal when you started. You continue to push toward that goal in spite of or despite the setbacks. Right. And so I think it is, I think that, you know, I don't like to pay for the same real estate twice. Sometimes in life, we might have to. We've, you know, been, you know, he didn't say he never retreated. He said he didn't like to. Right. But even when he retreated as quickly as he could, he got his head turned back around, and he remembered the objective. Right? So I think it's it's look. You're gonna have these things that set you back sideways.
They they knock you flat. But the idea behind that core belief is, remember your goal before that thing happened. Yes. You had a set rate. Yes. This thing occurred, but you still had a goal when you started. Now get back on track. Right.
[00:31:06] Unknown:
Which makes ton of sense. These are great, man. These are really good good like, I'm looking at them, like, I I could see things in my life in every one of these so far, you know, which is which is great. Have an insatiable curiosity.
[00:31:23] Unknown:
Yeah, man. Don't, I think, I like to be around people who are insatiably curious. I like my so I have this, this way I look at professionals, you know, like, what we think of as, like, the professionals, doctors, lawyers, whatever. And I tend to think there are doctors and then there are physicians. There are, you know, lawyers and there are counselors. And I like the counselors more than the lawyers, and I like physicians more than doctors. And I think what separates those, you know, in in that example, what separates them is an insatiable curiosity. They're never quite satisfied with what they know today.
You know, they they they see everything as as something else to learn. And when that happens, they or we will end up finding new options to solve problems, new ways of thinking about a problem that we never thought of before. That makes sense. And I have seen, you know, physicians who just when they came out of medical school, what they knew when they came out of medical school is all they knew. And, I've seen people in the finance world that whatever they thought, the markets would do thirty years ago, that's what they believe today. And so I just think it's it's it is a reminder to me, you know, I said you know, the the the subtitle is let your desire to find wisdom guide you through life.
And I think that's kind of my grandfather used to say experience is what you get just after you needed it. And I think, you know, wisdom is kind of built
[00:33:02] Unknown:
on the experiences that we have. There's a lot of truth in that.
[00:33:06] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. It is. I mean, it's it's basically like that is one of the like, if you if you look for a truth in the universe, like that one would be it. Yeah. Experience is what you get just after you needed it. Yep. And I think, if your desire is to find wisdom, maybe not to become wise, but to become wiser than you are today, the only way you can do that is to be insatiably curious. Right. You have to be curious about everything. When you're when you're talking to people, you have to ask them questions. When you're, when you're facing a situation, you can't take it for granted. You have to you have to, you have to ask questions about it. You have to want to know. Mhmm.
And so that one is really just, you know, seek wisdom and, and let and let the seeking of wisdom kind of guide your life.
[00:33:59] Unknown:
What about, compete only with yourself?
[00:34:04] Unknown:
You know, this is one where I think so let's just take dealing with a traumatic event. You know, how would you how you deal with that? You know, you you're gonna deal with things like grief. Okay? There is there is no timeline for dealing with grief as an example. We just use grief as an example, but it applies to a lot of things. You know, they say there's, what, five stages of grief? Yes. And, I think it's five stages of grief. It is. And, you know, then they'll say, well, you don't go through those linearly. You know, you you might go, you know, you might get to stage three and then back to stage one and then back up to stage five and then back to say, you know, like, you move all around. And you look at people who are going through that. So let's say you join a a a group with people who have suffered a loss similar to yours.
And, you know, because you want kind of camaraderie. You wanna know that you're not the only one. Maybe somebody will understand what you're going through. And then there was this little thing that slips in your hand because, wow, how are they doing so much better than me? You know? Like, how are they doing so much better than me? Now whether that's in a support group or whether that's in your work life, or whether that's somebody who's, you know, pursuit, you know, they they seem to be ahead of you financially. Somebody has become a vice president while you're still on the line working.
None of that really matters. You know? You you have different goals than everybody else. Right. And, you know, this came true to me when I when I made a decision. My wife and I made a decision that she would stay home with our children and raise them. She would be a homemaker. That was going to be her job. And my job was going to be providing for the family. That's what my job was. Okay. And did but to spend time with my children, I made a decision. You know, I I didn't play golf as much. I didn't you know, even though customers wanted to play golf, I didn't play golf that much. I didn't go out with the boys on Friday night and drink. That was my time to hang out with the children. Right. I didn't take, promotions that would have gotten me that would have required me to be on the road. Now I didn't know at the time I made those choices that, you know, nine, ten, twelve years later, my son would take his own life. But because I didn't because I I stayed to my own my own goals, what I wanted, and I didn't compare myself to people who started their careers at the same time and now they're vice president. So they're on their way to being senior vice president.
Because I didn't shift away from my goals, I only competed with me, not them. When a tragedy struck, I had nothing. I I was I did not have to look back and wonder, could I have done it differently or better? Right. I put everything I had into it, and I stuck to my own goals. And I think that is, I think it's super important. If you're in business, your business competes with other businesses. You don't just compete against yourself. Right. You you know, you do compete with other people, other businesses. But in life and in in your personal endeavors, know what your goal is so you can measure success by your own progress.
That that's the objective. If you know what success is, and if you're not, then spend time figuring out what success is for you, and then only measure yourself against that goal of success. So whether it's grief and you think, wow. You know? Or or you just got you know, there's a couple that you and your wife know, and they just seem so much happier than you. Dennis Prager's mother, I heard this probably thirty years ago, and it stuck with me. It might be where I wrote this one down. He said that his mother he was complaining one day about how these other families seem so much happier than his family. And his mother reminded him that the only happy people she knew were the people she didn't know well.
And I think, you know, it just kind of stuck with me that everybody has problems. And don't compare yourself to what you see because you have no idea what's going on behind the scenes. No idea. That person is on his way to being a senior vice president. They could be the most unhappy. Watching my language, but they could be very unhappy. Okay? And, and you don't know because they're you you look on you look on social media, everybody's having happy. Okay? Everybody's having Yeah. Yeah. And they all got the great selfies. And then they, you know, they put the filters on. Life is wonderful. When they turn the camera you you seen people do this. Like, they put the camera up. They got this huge smile, and they're like, oh, that's great. And they turn it off, and they're just as pissed off at the world as they're and it's like, so people on social media see those people, and they're, like, comparing themselves to them. You know? They should be comparing themselves only to themselves. Yeah. Only to only to themselves because they don't any idea what's going on with somebody else. Yeah. That's why I call it fake book, not Facebook. Yeah. It is. It is in a lot of ways. Yeah. You have no idea what's going on in people's lives. And it and, you know, and where I work too,
[00:39:01] Unknown:
I come across that a lot because I'm I'm dealing with elderly folks and Yeah. And whatnot. And, you know, you just you you could you you you build up relationships with them. You you talk to them a little bit. And it's it's funny because that dynamic you just described, I mean, out among the community when they're out in the in the in the building itself and all that stuff, they're they're, you know, smiles all happy and and, you know, you know, getting along with everybody. But then, you know, you have those occasions where you go by their rooms, and they're sitting there in tears because Mhmm. You know, nope, they don't have anybody coming to visit, or they don't get visited often, or or whatever the sit the particular circumstance or situation is. You know, you don't know what goes on other people's lives. Absolutely true. Absolutely true.
[00:39:46] Unknown:
You just know about yours and, you know, whether it was the passing of my son and how we came through that or still going through that today. You know, we would see people and and it was like, how how are they doing so well? Mhmm. And it was just a reminder to myself, like, you have no idea how they're actually doing. You just know how they're presenting. Right. There's a big difference between presenting and doing. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I I could use myself as an example too. I mean,
[00:40:17] Unknown:
you know, when, when I lost the whole top end of my family and, you know, went went to my divorce and and all that stuff, you know, I I there there were times where I I didn't show it. I didn't wear it on my sleeve, and there were times where I couldn't hold it in, you know, and I was so obvious that there was something wrong. But, but, yeah, I mean, there there were, like I said, there were days where, you know, I would go to work, and I'd be joking around with everybody and having a grand old time, and couldn't wait to get home to open up the bottle and drink and pass out and, you know, forget about everything and move on to the next day. Thank god I'm not in that situation now. I'm, you know, things are a lot better. But but, you know, so I I I totally can relate to that completely, you know. And then you have, thinking versus knowing.
[00:41:05] Unknown:
Yeah. You know, it kinda ties back into the have a sensible curiosity and compete only with yourself. Right? So, I, you know, I know there was, was it Rumsfeld's quadrant of, like, the known knowns, the known unknowns, the unknown knowns, and the unknown unknowns. You know? And so, kind of kind of not directly aligned to that, but the idea is, when making a decision or when even communicating with someone, when you're going to when you think you know their motivations, when you when you're working on a project at work, when you're, you know, when you're dealing with a loss, when you're, trying to when you're working to figure out what you're gonna do about your cancer diagnosis, there is a difference between thinking you know an answer and knowing you know an answer.
Right. And a lot of times, I think and and there are going to be plenty of times when you have to make decisions. You you've gotten as much information as you're gonna get. You still have to make a decision based on what you think. Right? I think this is, the inform I think, you know, this information is correct. I don't know, but I think it is. I'm gonna make this decision. But we should not be lazy about it. If there are things that we should know, then I wanna know those things because it helps inform my decision making.
What that requires is that I don't pay people. I stay focused on my goal, kinda working my way back up. I stay focused on my goal. Some people will move faster to a decision than me. I move a little bit slower, but I move with what I think is a little more certainty Mhmm. Because I've spent a little extra time separating out what I think I know from what I do know. And then I go find out what I know because I'm insatiably curious. If I identify that there's something I truly do not know, I just think I know it. I might have told myself for a long time that I know it. But if I really examine it and it's based on an assumption, then I wanna be insatiably curious and go find out because we can now. It's not like, you know, it's not like this is 1975, and you gotta go to Encyclopedia Britannica. You gotta wait till next year to buy another copy or you gotta work off, you know, five year old information. You could just go buy me information. So, I think those kinda tie together. Be insatiably curious, compete only with yourself, move at your own speed. Mhmm. Stay focused on your goal. Right. And then make sure that whatever you know, separate separate in your mind truthfully, Be ruthless in your truthfulness about what you think you know versus what you really know. And it even applies to communication. You I may think I know what you what your intent was behind something you say, But I don't actually know unless I ask you what your intent was. Right?
So ask somebody what they really meant by that. You might be surprised. They might be looking at well, no. I meant this other thing, and now you've gotten all pissed off and, you know, you're, like, ready to throw hands, and they didn't even mean what they said. You know? Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:44:08] Unknown:
You know, when I was reading this originally, thinking versus knowing, it made me think of a of a of a another little silly thing that was, it was the difference between knowledge and wisdom.
[00:44:22] Unknown:
Mhmm. Alright?
[00:44:24] Unknown:
Knowledge Big difference. Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is knowing. Wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad.
[00:44:35] Unknown:
Exactly. Exactly. It's a great one. Yeah. I like that. I'm gonna steal that one, man. I'm gonna steal that one. Well, I stole it from somebody else. So Yeah. I don't know where I got it from. I've heard it somewhere else. Obviously, somebody has some they got experience just after they needed it, and that's how they got that reason. Right? Exactly.
[00:44:51] Unknown:
Yeah. Exactly right. Well, this is this is a great one too. I I like this one. Every challenge has a chewy nougat center made of opportunity. First first of all, where the heck did you get that from?
[00:45:06] Unknown:
So I used to there was a time when I really liked milk chocolate, and there was a couple of candy bars, as you can imagine, that I was a big fan of. Mhmm. And I don't like the saying every cloud has a silver lining. Okay? I don't like that because visually to me, if there was a silver lining, why the hell would I go inside a dark cloud? I would just hang out in the goodness around the darkness. I wouldn't go into it. But that's not how life is. Life is that you go into these dark places. You go into these difficult times. And when you're in it, I think I think, like, that silver that silver line is actually like that. It it's down at the center of that problem. Now I don't believe that problem exist because you know, to show you that chewy nougat, so that opportunity.
But, like, let's take, you know, whether it was a cancer diagnosis, one of the opportunities that was there was it gave me a really good reason to change the way I was eating. Right? It gave me a reason to look at the the nutrients, the nutrient depletion in soil and highly processed foods and think, well, if I can't get all the nutrients I need, maybe that's a valid reason for taking these supplements and these vitamins and minerals is to give my body what it needs. Maybe that's part of my cancer problem. I'm not giving it. It doesn't have the ability to fight back. So, you know, I made a I made a a decision to eat differently. Not perfectly, differently.
And, and so, you know, that's like a little opportunity that's inside that problem that as I didn't die along the way, eating better made life a little more enjoyable. Like, that that was an opportunity. Or when my my son took his own life, you know, through the process of grieving, we ended up going through this, EMDR type therapy, and that helped me deal with some of the things from my childhood, you know, from all the way back to sexual abuse that I thought had I had dealt with. And I had kinda put in a box and and sorted out, and I didn't. So that was an opportunity in that darkness.
An opportunity presented itself, and I had to make the choice to take that opportunity. Right? I could have easily seen that there were things I I needed to have the courage to confront. And I could have easily made the choice not to do that. It was too painful. I don't wanna do that. But I think by making the choice to face those things, I have been able to take an opportunity out of this really tragic situation. Doesn't justify the situation, doesn't make the situation any better. But it seems to me to be kind of a waste if you're gonna get the, you know, the poo kicked out of you.
You've you should at least walk away with some kind of consolation prize. Right? I mean, you should at least walk away with something, out of these really terrible situations. And, you know, I think that the idea is we have a choice to look for those, not as a reason for this bad thing to have happened, but we're there. I think the thing is, look, there's opportunity. Anybody can see opportunity when everything's going great. Of course. You see opportunity. It's like, you know, today's a great day. You know what I did? I found this thing, and I did this thing, and it was wonderful. The question is, when everything goes wrong, can you still find the opportunity in that day? Alright. That's the catch.
Yeah. And so that's that's what that one's about. It's just a reminder to myself that, you know, you're gonna go through this bad thing anyway. It might help you get through it if you could take your mind's focus and put it on searching for something that you can take away from this.
[00:48:50] Unknown:
Alright. Never be waiting.
[00:48:54] Unknown:
No. I mean, I learned this one early, early, early on in my sales career. Probably thirty something years ago. I had a sales manager who did not like to hear that I was, waiting for the purchase order to come in. And he was he was adamant that no one should be waiting around for a purchase order. And I thought, you know, to get him off my back, other salespeople didn't understand or or couldn't quite figure out how to deal with what he was saying. And so if he came to me, I never told him you know, after the first time, I never told him that I was waiting, for a purchase order to come in. I said, hey. While they're processing the purchase order, while I'm working on that, I'm also working on my sales pipeline. I'm also working on my next opportunities. I'm doing I'm working on these things, or I'm working to get the purchase order in. I'm doing these steps to do it, and he just loved that. And I thought, well, that's easy enough. You know? Why don't you just do that? And so then that became like a practice.
And then I noticed that in other parts of life, it kinda worked out the same way. Right. You know? We we always, you know, never just be waiting on something to occur. There is, you know, always find something to do and remain proactive. Right? That's kind of the subtitle of that one. Like, just find something to do and remain proactive. And I think too many times people will say, I I just I just don't like the phrase. You know? It's just like, well, what are you doing? Well, I'm waiting on this to happen. Mhmm. Well, really?
Like, what is the universe just supposed to like, it it's it's just gonna show up. You don't have to do anything for it. Now you're just waiting. And I think that's, I don't think that's a good approach, to anything. Like, when we when we were grieving the loss of my son, we did not just wait to get better. We did something to get better. We did something to stay alive ourselves. Right? When it was I did not just wait to die. I did not wait for the doctors to come up with the next thing. I worked at I I pursued the next thing. Right? And they would come to me and they go, well, why you know, how are you getting better? We don't understand how you get better. It's like, well, I'm doing this. I'm doing this. I'm doing this. I'm doing this. Right? I have to do something between the time you give me the chemo. This this week and three weeks from now when I do the chemo again, what are you gonna do? I'm not just gonna sit around and wait for the next chemo treatment. Right. You know, there's things I can do. Maybe that's doing nothing but taking a few supplements or, you know, meditation or acupuncture, but there's gotta be something I can do. I can't just sit around and wait. Yeah. I I actually I follow that,
[00:51:31] Unknown:
principle, you know, in my job. You know, I don't like to sit around. I have things I have to do. I can't be sitting waiting for stuff. And, you know, you you take that you take that and you try to improvise other ways of if you if you are waiting for something like parts or whatever, you know, you you improvise. You try to come up with another way to do the same thing, you know, in another way. You know, you make whatever adaptations you have to make in order to, to to see the end result. Don't like to sit around. I don't like to to not be doing anything. I always have to be doing something. And yeah. And as a as a boss, as a manager myself, I don't I don't wanna hear from people that work with me that that, I'm just, you know, I'm waiting for this to happen. I'm waiting for that to happen. No.
And then and and in the same regard too, in in my personal life, you know, in in dealing with the losses that I've dealt with, it's the same same exact thing. You know, you and this is why it resonates with me is because, you know, I see myself in a lot of these these steps that you have here. In in my in my life when I was going through the grieving process, and and, you know, I'm still kinda going through the grieving process of Sure. All of that loss. You know, I found things to do to occupy my mind and occupy my time, whether it was I think that's it, Joe. Right? Like, you you need you
[00:52:53] Unknown:
you're a lot of times our future is where we put our focus. Mhmm. And, you know, if your focus if you if if you're waiting, there's a lot of negative thoughts that can come into that space when you're going through that kind of thing. Right? So if if you can do something to occupy your mind to put it on something else Mhmm. And I'm not saying that you do it so much to avoid the actual, you know, thing you're going through. But there are times when if you don't if you're just waiting for the next thing to happen, it can be very, very discouraging. Yeah. Right? And and you might just decide to quit. Yeah. Absolutely.
[00:53:24] Unknown:
One of the things that I I was working on is, I was doing another podcast at the time, and, it was it was more of a bible study podcast than than politics and such. And through the whole process of everything that I was going through, the greeting process, I really didn't realize it at the moment. I didn't realize it till after the fact that a lot of the things that I was studying and I was teaching through the Bible study wasn't really for the audience. It was really for it was really for me. And, you know, that that that just that just blew me away when I realized that, and I was like, wow. You know, I really put myself into this, and, so so, yeah. I mean, you you always always find something to do that and and it was therapeutic in a lot of ways too because, you know, I was I understand. I was able to to deal with what I was dealing with a lot easier because I was telling stories about it without realizing it and putting myself in that whole situation. So,
[00:54:27] Unknown:
never try, always work. Yeah. I don't like the word try. I just decided somewhere along the way that, the word try to me and I know people use it all the time, and I'm not criticizing other people using it or how they apply it. This is just for me. I work I've done it twice during this conversation. I've started to say the word try, and I've packed up and replaced it with the word work. Mhmm. And I do that intentionally because to me, words matter, and try sounds like, it it sounds like I'm attempting. You know? Like, I'm gonna try. It's just the way it feels to me. It just feels I give it my best shot. You know? And work to me sounds like something, like, I'm just gonna keep grinding at it, man. I'm just gonna keep grinding and grinding and grinding, and I'm just gonna work at it. And there's not gonna be a place where I just say, well, you know, I tried.
You know? If if if I fail at it, I'm gonna say I worked and worked and worked, and then it didn't work out. But I don't know. It just that's just one for me that's, you know, you know, just it's, you know, like, the the subtype, so it is commit to action and avoid complacency. To me, try just sounds it kinda goes with with never be waiting. You know? Like, you know, it's like, well, I'm I'm trying to do this. I'm waiting for this to occur. I don't know. They just feel like they go together. And so to me, it's like, never be trying. I mean, never be waiting and never try, always work. Like, those two just kinda fit together for me. Yeah.
And it's and it's just a reminder to me that words matter what we say and what we think we hear. If we say it, we hear it twice. We hear it on our head, and then we hear our own voice going back through our ears. And I I work to reinforce to myself words that purposely
[00:56:30] Unknown:
whether I believe them at the moment or not, they will they're I do it to purposely convince myself of things. Right? I wanna hear those things more often. Yeah. No. That makes sense. I I say all the time that, you know, words mean things. You know, you have to you choose your words very carefully. And in some sometimes in the context, that word try like, I understand where you're coming from with that because sometimes to me, again, in context, sometimes try really means I give up.
[00:57:00] Unknown:
Yeah. That okay. So I mean, we're we're kind of aligned to it. Right? I mean, that's I don't you know, it's like, well, I tried. You know, it's not even like I'm trying. Well, I tried. You know, how hard did you try? Did you really work at it? You know? Like, you know, how much effort? How how much of your shoulder did you put into that grindstone? Like, you know, what did you what did you really do about that? And so, like I said, it's again, it's not meant to be it's not meant to be like a, you know, a hard and fast, you know, the word try means this for everybody. Anybody could replace those words with whatever matters to them. My my point in that core belief is, in this case, is exemplified to me by never try, always work. There's other things that kinda have that never do that, do this. And it's usually between a display of effort versus effort. Mhmm. And that's really what it's trying to say. It's like, are you displaying effort or are you actually efforting to get this done? Right. Yeah. That makes sense.
[00:57:59] Unknown:
The 38 special rule.
[00:58:02] Unknown:
Yeah. I wrote this one down for two reasons. One, you know, I, music from the eighties was just better. And, seventies, eighties, and nineties were just better. It just was. But, you know, obviously, you know, the song tells a story, and it's got its it's got its, meaning to it. But I remember my oldest daughter was about I think she's about six or seven, and, she was at school. And so they had this, like, pond out on the school campus. And so they would do, like, this little field trip thing. Not a field trip, but like an outdoor thing. You know? And, she was there. It was like a parent's day or whatever. Actually, I wasn't there. I was worship, but my wife was there. And, and my my my oldest daughter picked up this tadpole.
And, and she did not want it to drop on the ground because she knew it would die out of the water. And so she held on to it. And when my wife told her, you know, she needed to put it back in water when she opened up pan, tadpole was dead. You know, it had died in her hand because she was holding on to it so tightly that it ended up killing it. And so I think between the song and between thinking of that story, there's many things that we want to save. There's many things that we think we are helping, but we can hold on to those things too tightly. Yeah. We you know, my son was something that no matter how hard I held on, you know, it it takes two to be part of that process. Right? So, I can't control things to the point of forcing them to happen.
You know, I have to I have to understand that I have to remind myself because it is in my nature to to work, to kinda control things, to to brute force something, right, and and make it happen. And it's just a reminder that, you can actually make it worse by doing that. Right? You you can show that you care about something without, without suffocating it. Yeah. And, that's a that's an aspirational one for me. I've you know, I think because of the way I grew up and some of the things that happened, that was a real challenge to me. So for me personally, that one's just a reminder that, you know, you kinda gotta go along some with the universe. You can't control everything.
[01:00:20] Unknown:
Be religious, only about religion.
[01:00:24] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm all about, you know, religion. I'm I'm a I'm I'm a Christian myself. I believe in, in the tenants of the faith. But I don't believe that having a dogma, like a a religious dogma, should apply to everything. Okay? Like, you know, should I bring the same passion, that I have for, say, you know, a belief in what Job was trying to communicate, what he was working to communicate. Right? Should I bring that same passion to a discussion with my spouse? Mhmm. Probably not. Not helpful. You know? Might wanna be a little less dogmatic.
Should I bring that to my boss? Should I bring that to the people I work with? Should I be so dogmatic as if this is this belief is the be all and end all, my eternal existence, rest or falls on my sticking to this belief. That's kind of religion. Right? You know, it's like, well, I wanna go to heaven. I wanna live with you know, I wanna I wanna be I want these accomplishments. That's my religious dogma teaches me that if I do these things, that, you know, this will be my reward.
[01:01:35] Unknown:
Mhmm.
[01:01:37] Unknown:
You know, so in that case, you know, like, religion is like, it's a do or die proposition. It's a it's an eternal proposition. But I don't really think arguing with my wife is an eternal proposition. I don't think, you know, arguing with my son is an eternal, proposition. I don't think, you know, whether the the business I work for does what I think it should do or not, is that is that an eternal proposition? You know? Should I bring that kind of weight to the problem? And I am I contributing a, an air or an energy of peace and calm and, you know, and, good decision making? Or am I bringing it like this it this decision determines the fate of my eternal soul?
And it probably doesn't, you know. I mean, it's it's like, are we gonna where are we gonna eat tonight? You know. And so I just think it's a reminder that, it's a reminder to me to check myself when I start to get into an argument or I start to go down a path. You know, am I treating this like it's important, or am I treating it like your eternal soul depends on it? There's a difference. Yeah. No. You're right. Absolutely right.
[01:02:49] Unknown:
Equations are constant. Variables are constantly changing.
[01:02:54] Unknown:
I got this one. I majored in finance in college, and, I noticed that, you know, if if you you know, mathematics, same thing, economics, finance, statistics, all those things that basically, the equations that you learn, you know, to, to work through a particular financial decision, the equations are always the same. Mhmm. Like, the equation just works. And then what changes are the variables in the equation. And depending on the variables, it it changes completely the summation of the equation. And one day I thought, man, I wonder if life is like that. Like, you look at your life, and would I be less depressed if I thought that I don't actually know the summation of my life? Like, today, if I looked at the summation of my circumstances, it would not be very positive. You know, like, when I'm in the middle of something, it might not be very positive. Like, the summation of my life, if it ended today, it would just, like and I thought about that when I was, you know, diagnosed with cancer. Right? It's just like Of course. Yeah. And and if you take that, the equation for pancre stage four pancreatic cancer works, like, this way. Now we're all gonna die, but the variables changed. And so the summation of that equation changed. Like, my life has been extended almost seven years old now. And so I just think it's it's also a reminder, to give the creator an opportunity to move the universe in your favor. Mhmm. Just because you think you you know, you see this way your life's gonna work out, and for me, let's just call it an equation, your life's equation.
You have no idea what he's gonna do to the variables in your equation. None. All you know is what you can see today. You can't see one second into the future. So if you sum your life today, it would only be what has happened and what and what happens at this moment and then the next moment. But you don't know what's gonna happen thirty days from now. You don't even know what's gonna happen ten minutes from now, let alone a year from now. Yeah. And I think, you know, this applies. I I was speaking to someone one time, and she was so we're talking about my son's, suicide, and she was talking about she'd had suicidal ideations, but then she had decided against it. And I said, well, how did you decide against it? And she said, well, I was 16, and I just decided that, I would give myself until I was 19.
And I would see how things worked out and I'd make the decision then. And she goes, you know, by the time I was 18, my life was a lot better. Yeah. And it was like, okay. So in my world, she just she waited for the variables in her life to change. She gave it a little time. The variables changed, and then also the summation of her life was like, well, this isn't that bad. I think I can keep going. Right? And so just because the equation stays the same, just because and you think you know the outcome, give life a chance. You know? Let let give time, the universe, the creator, the higher power, the whatever you call it, give it time to change the summation of your life's equation.
[01:05:59] Unknown:
That's, man, I as you're explaining that, I I had just pictured many, many things going through my in my mind of things in my life that, and that's what that's what I love about these because I can apply these things to my life, and I see just as you're going through them, I just I just see how how it all applies. The, you know, you know, talking about that, you know, the variables constantly change. It's very, very true because, three years ago when when I was contemplating just, you know, ending it all and just, you know, just giving up.
You know, plenty of times I sat there with with the means and the ability to do it and just, no, I'm gonna wait. No, I'm gonna wait. I'm gonna wait. I'm gonna wait. And then, look, here I am three years later. I'm in a much better situation than I than I had been. You know, I I really I mean, I have my complaints about life, but you know what? It's nowhere near as difficult as it was three years ago. And, I would have missed all these opportunities that I've had over the last three years had I pulled the trigger. A 100%. You know? So A 100%. So, yeah, the variables do change, and and that's and that's and I guess that in a lot of ways, that's that's that's a that's an important message to get to people who are in circumstances like that, you know, in in my estimation.
Like, if you Look, I I'm sorry. And I was gonna say, if you if you're so if if if you're listening to this, you're watching this, and you have these thoughts in your head that, you know, that you don't wanna continue on. I mean, you heard our stories here. Things change over time. You gotta give yourself that time and get give yourself that space to to breathe and to understand the circumstances that you're going through, and you will come through it. You will come through it.
[01:07:49] Unknown:
Yeah. And look, and if you don't have the if you're uncertain about it right now or you don't think you have the wherewithal to, to fight this demon any further or to struggle against this life any further, call one of the help lines, talk to somebody. You know, find somebody who would just listen. You know? Yeah. But I think, when you're in that moment, I imagine I mean, I've only I've only been close to that moment maybe once, that I remember, that I'm aware of. Mhmm. And I think when you're in that moment, you probably don't care about anyone else. Right? You're just in in in some people say it's selfish, but I think in that moment, it's just kind of it it is paradoxically paradoxically self preservation even though it's like it's ending your life. It's like, I'm only concerned in this moment about removing this pain from myself. Right? Like, getting out of this life.
But I think, you know, people should at least come to terms with that pain that you're feeling is not gonna go away. It's gonna stay, and it's gonna affect the people who love you. It's gonna impact the people who know you, and it's gonna affect people that you never knew. And the better choice, is to stay here and work to reduce or eliminate the pain because now you're you you can and you are changing the variables. Right? You're changing the variables. And every day you stay, every minute you stay, you are changing the outcome of the summation of your life. That's right. And if you can string together, if you can get help, if you can rely on other people when you can't rely on yourself, or if you can just give it time, then I think by just inherent to the universe, the variables will change.
They change every month. They have changed because you took another minute. Right? Because you didn't quit today. So, yeah, I think it's it applies to many, many things in our lives.
[01:10:02] Unknown:
Right? Yeah. Absolutely. Alright. So history doesn't repeat itself. Humans repeat history, and I I have a comment about that. I have a old, I have an old, preacher friend who used to say, if there's anything that man doesn't learn from history, it's that man doesn't learn from history.
[01:10:19] Unknown:
I think that, yeah, I think that's very accurate. You know? I've I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to keep that one. Because it's you know, everybody would say, oh, history repeats itself. And I'm like, no. It doesn't. History doesn't repeat itself. You know, we just keep making the same stupid errors. We just keep doing the same stupid things. So we just keep making the same even if it's not ignorance or stupidity, we just keep Maybe it's because of things that happened to us long ago. Maybe it's events that have happened. Maybe people have been, untrustworthy. Maybe they've, you know, done things that would that have caused us to see the world differently.
But, you know, if you don't want history to repeat itself, the then don't repeat history. History just is what it is. Right? Like, the timeline just rolls on. Mhmm. And, you know, I think it's a cop out to say, well, it's history repeating itself. No. It's just you doing the same thing over and over again. Right? It's like, I I think it's just and for me, you know, this isn't about someone else. All of these were, like, things that I would look at personally. Right? So it's just like, you know, if my life is repeat like, some bad bad outcome is repeating in my life, it's not history repeating. You know, it's like face the music, Andy. You are repeating the same errors. You're getting the same outcome because you keep doing the same mistakes. You keep committing the same mistakes.
So it's just a reminder to myself to be to learn from my past errors and to take responsibility for not committing those same errors again. I'm gonna make plenty of other errors. Why keep making the ones I've already figured out? Why keep making those again? Like, make some new errors. Yeah. Yeah. That's the that's that's that's a good point.
[01:11:59] Unknown:
Let's see. The the necessity of perseverance.
[01:12:04] Unknown:
Yeah. What what good is everything else if you don't persevere? And it really kinda goes to the last one. Just to jump ahead a little bit about finishing. To me, you know, Paul said, I have finished the rest. I have fought the good fight. Mhmm. I I just think there is in every successful thing we see, if it's if it is in the Christian faith, it is that Christ went all the way to the end. Like, he did not give up before, his, you know, his his spirit left his earthly body. Like like, there's a there's a finishing. That's right. And to get to finishing, you have to persevere. That is the necessity of you don't get to finish if you don't persevere. So you gotta carry that cross and you gotta walk up that hill. Like, that's just the way it is, and you gotta persevere through that. Sometimes somebody will have to help you. You can't do it on your own. Great point. My goal is to finish.
Right? Like, I want to finish wherever that finish line is at. I don't wanna be waiting. I I don't wanna be trying. I wanna work to finish, and I wanna I wanna I wanna I wanna put focus on that. I want to finish this race. I don't know where it's gonna take me. I don't know what's gonna happen, but I want to finish. And the only way to do that and, yes, sometimes it's all uphill. And, yes, the cross is hard. And, yes, you're barefoot and the road is rocky. And, yes, you've been punched in the gut or punched about the head and face it literally or or metaphorically. And, you know, all those things occur.
But the necessity of perseverance is because if you don't persevere, you cannot finish. And I don't think I think it's one of the reasons why, you know, I think it has helped me in some very dark moments where I thought maybe I would just finish the race earlier. Mhmm. Right? Like, if you're if you're gonna terminate your own life, you're finishing the race before the end. Right. And and that to me flat that is against the necessity of perseverance. Right? Like, you you have to persevere to finish. And that's, you know, it's just again, in in in some really, really difficult situations, I want to be able to say, I have finished the race. I have I have I have ran the race hard. Mhmm. I never quit.
And this is the end. This is the point at which my body can no longer support my soul. But I don't wanna make that decision on my own early, and I don't wanna just be sitting around waiting for it to happen. You know, I asked my father one time before we didn't speak for a long time, long, long time. Actually, I didn't I mean, he passed away not too long ago, and we hadn't spoken in years. But I I asked him, his life kinda fell apart after my mother passed away. There were she was kinda like the tether that kept him, anchored. He'd had a terrible, terrible childhood and just some really awful things that happened to him.
Then he went to Vietnam and had some really bad experiences there. And, you know, it kind of it's never good when somebody wakes up screaming in the middle of the night speaking Vietnamese, you know, but it's thirty years later. And, but I asked him one time, I said, well, what do you wanna what do you wanna do? Because it'd been, like, ten years since my mother passed away. I said, what do you wanna do? And he said, Andy, the only thing I'm doing is waiting to be buried beside your mother. And I said, well, what happens if you live another twenty or thirty years? Like, then what are you gonna do?
And it turns out he lived about thirty years. Wow. And the whole time, he was just sitting around waiting to be buried. Like, all his decisions were about how am I gonna be buried beside, you know, my my wife that passed away. And so I think, you know, like, a lot of these things start to kinda meld together. They start to kinda build, like, a momentum of their own. Mhmm. When you start putting one, two, three of these concepts in action together. So, you know, had he not been waiting around, had he been working to build the next life, continue on with the life he had after my mother, had he had he not been religious about everything that was ever presented to him, and he had he realized that the the equation would you know, the variables in the equation would change.
And maybe he wouldn't have made the same mistakes over and over again that ultimately just kinda caused him to not persevere. You know? Right. So I I think they all kinda fit, together. I think the necessity of perseverance is that it is the foundation of all the other beliefs. The other ones don't make any they they don't they're not useful if you're not gonna persevere. Mhmm. Right? The the reason for the other ones is to help you persevere. For me, the reason for all the, you know, the other 13 before you get to perseverance, the reason for those beliefs is to help me persevere so I can do the fifteenth one, which is to finish.
[01:16:58] Unknown:
Which which makes total sense. And I was actually gonna ask you if, if when you I know you said you you did, like, five, and then you went to 10, and ultimately 15. But the way you have them broken down here, is that is this the order in which you came up with them, or did you rearrange them to get into that order?
[01:17:18] Unknown:
I mean, at one point, I kinda thought about, you know, they kinda they kinda build one on the other. You know, it's like, hey. The place you start out is don't think you can outrun the universe. You know? Like, be be be humble, accept where you are, deal with those things. And then, you know, you know, being being humble about it, and it will help you realize that there aren't any hard decisions that'll help you look better, or look more clearly about the consequences and not take the potential consequences and put them on the decision. You know, so certainly there are some that work. Like, perseverance always has to come before finishing. Right? Like, you have to persevere to finish.
But I think to me, yeah, that to me, I can make an argument that they make sense, you know, in my life, kind of in the order that they're in. But I have bounced around between all of them and picked you know, find myself in a situation where these three make perfect sense and the rest of them are, like, less useful at this moment,
[01:18:18] Unknown:
you know. And they and then and they may not be in order, you know. Gotcha. And I I like the fact that you used the analogy of a of a race, of running a race. Because as you as you read through these this list, and as we've been talking about it, one thing really kind of stuck with me. And and that is, nowhere in here do you really reference looking back. Everything seems to be going forward. And if you've ever run track, you've ever run races, or ever watched, like, the Olympics marathon races and and or sprints, whatever, or any kind of track and field, event, the one thing that's emphasized over and over and over again, while you're running that race, don't look back. Always keep your eyes focused on the end.
Yeah. You know? Yeah. Because when you look back, then you fall back.
[01:19:13] Unknown:
Yeah. And I think, you know, that that kinda goes to the one about, you know, always fall forward. Right? Like, keep your eyes toward the goal. And I, you know, I I had there was this lady that came to speak to a group that I was in, and she was it was a big group. It's like 20,000 people. It was a big sales meeting thing. And so they wanted to get somebody who was, you know, like, inspirational to speak. And, and and they had this lady that was, I don't know. I think there was a show called The Race. And so it was basically like these people who would do these massive, like, long overland races in teams of four. And, like, they would have these really long races, like, through the Andes to the end of Argentina kind of stuff.
And, or across the Sahara, you know, something like that. Right? And and so she had she had been on a team that had won, a few of these titles for, like, these really long distant, like, you know, like, month long races. You know? I can't remember the exact name of the show. I'm sure listeners will remind us what the name of it is. But, it was actually, it was created by the same guy who created Survivor. And she said that in this one race, they were in the lead. And so, they had they had they had to do this, like, spelunking thing in this cave. And so they had to climb up, like, they had to secure their ropes and then climb up this, like, 100 foot face and get to the top. And then there was a ledge. And when they when they they were way ahead of the team that was in second place, way ahead. So they got to the top, and they decided to rest for a few minutes.
And then they looked around, they looked down, and and they had just rested for a minute. And all of a sudden, this team comes, you know, comes running into the cave, and they are headed toward, you know, securing their ropes. And so they're like, oh, man, we gotta go. Like, we thought we had this big lead, now we don't. Mhmm. So they run out of the cave and they get to the next place. And the next place where, the race changes is they have to get in, this raft, these four man rafts and they have to raft down this river. Okay? And, you know, it's got white water and all that kind of stuff, rapids. But they get in, and now this this team that they thought they were significantly ahead of, they get in, the first team gets in their raft, and they're paddling.
And she is sitting, in the front pair, and the team leader is sitting in the back pair directly behind her. Right? Two two and two, four man team. And so they've only gotten, like, a 100 yards out down the river and, bam, team behind them hits the water. And she kept looking over her shoulder to see where they were. She's paddling, but she's looking over her shoulder to see where they were. And what she said next has never let like, I I just I remember where I was sitting, and I remember where I heard it, what she said. She said the team leader behind her, she looked behind. She was looking over her shoulder, and all she felt was his hands on both sides of her head.
And he forcefully turned her head back to the front, And he put his he put her his arm past her ear so that she could see his finger. And he said, winning is that way. And I thought, man, that's a strong story. And they ended up winning the race, but she never looked back from that moment forward because she's like, his words never left my ear. Like, he just, you know, he wasn't mad. He didn't yell or scream. He just he put his arm over her shoulder where she could see his finger out in front of him. And all he said was winning is that way. Right.
And I think that is finishing is that way.
[01:22:55] Unknown:
Amen. Amen. Alright. Well, Andy, thank you again for this. This was this was great. This was a blessing for me. Hope it was for anybody else too. But, so what's next for you? What's on the horizon?
[01:23:08] Unknown:
Doing, you know, just sharing with people the stories and, doing some, you know, I got a full time job. I do this, do some of these kind of interviews, you know, some to share the story on different topics, whether it's cancer or, childhood sexual abuse or, suicide. And, you know, in the hopes of helping one person not quit, you know, at least sharing the story and being transparent about it. So someone will think, well, that you know, he's been through a couple things and he didn't quit. Maybe I can make it one more day. Yeah. And, and doing some speaking engagements around, you know, encouragement
[01:23:47] Unknown:
and and the 15 core beliefs. Alright. And where can we get your book?
[01:23:51] Unknown:
You know, the easiest place it's on Amazon. But the easiest place is just go to my website, askindycampbell.com. You can, find a link to the book there and, you know, sign up for, for email list and that kind of stuff. But, yeah, you can find it there. You can also if you go to Amazon, you can search on the main search bar if you search for Andy Campbell. I'm the second one. Okay. I'm just I'm just beneath, yeah, I'm the second one. You'll know why I say the second one when you see the first one. I'm not the first Andy Campbell. I'm the second Andy Campbell. Okay. So now I'm curious. I'm gonna have to Yeah. But it but it's, it's probably just easier to go to my site and and take the link there. It'll take you straight to,
[01:24:30] Unknown:
straight to the Amazon site. Alright. Outstanding. And I'll make sure that we have all that information available in the show notes, like, like, just like we did the last time. And, we'll we'll steer the traffic over your way. Alright. Andy, thank you again so much for for joining us and for being with us. And God bless you, and I look forward to talking to you soon.
[01:24:48] Unknown:
Thanks again, man. Much of gratitude for the opportunity to share time with you. Anytime, brother. Anytime. You take care. Bye bye. Alright. Bye.
[01:24:56] Unknown:
Alright, folks. Well, Andy Campbell. I hope you guys found that to be really interesting, and and those 15 core beliefs. I'm I'm telling you, as you go through them, you know, try to put yourself into that. Try to put yourself into those core beliefs right there, and you're gonna see exactly how it applies to you in every situation that you're gonna come across in your life. And it's it's a great great list. It's a great set of beliefs to follow, and I think you should really check them out. Alright. So here's what we're gonna do. We are going to take a short break here, and then, when we come back from the break, we're gonna get into some of the news for the day. And, this will give me a chance to get some coffee, use the restroom, and and all that great stuff. Alright, folks. So, to the folks that are watching right now on YouTube, Twitch, Facebook, and x, this is where we are gonna part our ways, and, we will see you guys. Hopefully, you'll you'll make the transition over to Rumble and join us over there. That's, that's where we wanna be. That's where that's where we're gonna do, the the rest of the live show. And don't forget, folks, this is a live show weeknight 7PM, Sundays at 6PM.
And, we look forward to, following you along, having you guys follow us along on this, on this trip and this journey that we're making through the through the world and through the news and all that great stuff. Alright. So having said all that, we'll be back right after this. This is Joe Russo. Don't forget to like, subscribe, share the show with all of your friends, your family, and your followers. And like I said to the folks over on YouTube, Twitch, X, and Facebook, go to your App Store, download the Rumble app. It's free. Sign up. It's free. Follow the show. It's free. And, we will talk to you guys, tomorrow night. We have another guest, mister Whiskey. It's gonna be a lot of fun. Alright? So take care, folks.
Alright. To, to our Rumble family, again, we're gonna take our break here. And when we come back, we'll get into the, news of the day. Very important stuff. We're not gonna keep you too long though. Okay. We'll be right back. Stay with us. Alright, folks. Hey. Welcome back to the Joe Ruse Show. My name is Joe Ruse, and it is great to be with you. Hope you guys enjoyed Andy Campbell. It's our first actual ever return guest and has a lot of fun and enjoyed that conversation. And like I said, if you take those 15 core principles, you apply them to your life, you will find that they work.
Alright. So something you need to take a look at at some point. Alright. So, we have some very interesting things to talk about, right now. So, you guys know over the weekend, Saturday, there were strikes made, air strikes by the, by The United States against some strategic and tactical nuclear facilities and locations in Iran. And, of course, you know, and I'm I'll I'm gonna be very honest about it and very direct about it, and I have been in the past, and I'm gonna continue on. I did not agree that The United States should be involved in this in any way. And I understand the arguments being made on on all sides.
You know, Iran could have had possession of a nuclear weapon that could have reached Mainland United States or it could have affected, American interests in the region. It could have possibly taken out, Israel or it could have been any number of, things. However, the we The United States did not initiate the conflict, that was done by Israel. And I I've said it many times, and I'm gonna continue to say it, that, we should not have been involved in this. This is Israel's fight. We do not have a dog in this fight. But but I trust my president.
You know, I think Donald Trump is probably the best, greatest president that this country has had in modern history. I fully support the president. I fully support him on everything he's doing both, domestically, fiscally. I think his foreign policy has been solid and and and and and direct and right on. I just don't I just didn't agree with this. I was looking at it as seeing another forever war, another involvement in a fight that, again, that's not ours. And that's okay. We can disagree. You know, we're not a we're not a mindless cult. You know, folks of a the folk folks like us, like myself, that consider themselves to be MAGA, that consider ourselves to be, conservative and and a a supporter of the president.
You know, we're not in a cult. We're not like the Democrats. We're not, you know, where we walk lockstep with whatever the party says is is what the what we do. We are free thinkers, and we will have disagreements. And having a disagreement does not mean that the president has lost my support, he has not. That does not mean that we, you know, we've we've turned our back on MAGA. It absolutely does not. I just don't see how our involvement or I didn't see how our involvement was putting America first. But again, like I said, he is my president. I voted for him. I voted for him twice.
And if I had the opportunity to vote for him again, I absolutely would. You know, our system of government doesn't allow that, but if it did, I would definitely vote for him again. So on Saturday, well, we'll backtrack that a little bit. The administration gave Iran sixty days to, to to come to the table and make a deal. They didn't do it. They basically told The United States to, you know, screw it. Screw you. And, they didn't do it. President Trump warned them that they're not gonna be happy with the, the results of not coming to the table and making a deal, over their nuclear, capabilities.
And on the sixty first day, Israel struck Iran, very effectively, I I will add. Now, our role in this, and the president had said that, you know, he wasn't looking for a long term engagement. He wasn't looking for any boots on the ground. He wasn't looking to have an endless war. It was gonna be quick, decisive, but quick. And then he said that, he was he he was gonna make his decision. He approved the, the strike plan. He everything was in in ready to go. And then he said that he was gonna it was gonna be sometime within the next two weeks. Well, the next two weeks actually turned out to be two days, and he and, he gave the okay, he gave the authorization, gave the go ahead, the green light, however you wanna put it, to, to conduct the air strikes on Saturday.
And, it was, you know, I was surprised when I, when I heard about it. But, again, I support my president. And if this is the decision that he came to based on whatever intelligence that, they had been given, and he felt that this was something that was that needed to be done, for the safety and security of of The United States, I'm gonna support them. I am incredibly thankful that there were no lives lost, that our our planes returned home safely, our pilots returned home safely. And then, of course, you know, the worry and the concern comes up with retaliatory strikes.
Retaliatory strikes, you know, again, I'm sure the president had intelligence and he had information that was not made public. I'm I'm pretty I'm pretty sure of that. But, of course, the concern goes out of of, retaliatory strikes in in the region. And what was more scary was the idea of the activation of sleeper cells here in The United States. Now remember, under the previous administration, you had over 20,000,000 people cross into this country illegally. A lot of them were god aways. A lot of them and if you remember, if you saw the videos and the pictures of those folks that were coming across the border, you saw that the majority of them were, military aged young men from The Middle East, from China, from Haiti, from, you know, all over the world.
How many of them are Iranian agents. I'm trying to think of the right word. How many of them are Iranian agents? How many of them are part of a terrorist cell that is now set up around the country? I mean, we knew they were here. They've been here for a while, but how many more are here now? And then, of course, on Sunday, you had the attack in Minnesota at, at a church, or is it Michigan? It was Michigan. In Michigan. At the church where someone got in someone came into the church and, opened fire and was summarily dispatched by a deacon of the church and a, a gentleman exercising his second amendment privileges and rights.
Is that part of some terror network? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know yet. I'll be honest with you. I wasn't planning on even bringing it up because I'm not up to speed on the whole thing, but it came out. So there were a lot of things that that had been swirling around since the since since the attack. And so I'm gonna go back in time just a little bit. I'm gonna play for you just a couple of, couple of things. This is from, the this is from Saturday night. This is, the president addressing the nation.
[01:40:49] Unknown:
A short time ago, the US military carried out massive precision strikes on the three key nuclear facilities in the Iranian regime, Fordeaux, Natanz, and Esfahan. Everybody heard those names for years as they built this horribly destructive enterprise. Our objective was the destruction of Iran's nuclear enrichment capacity and a stop to the nuclear threat posed by the world's number one state sponsor of terror. Tonight, I can report to the world that the strikes were a spectacular military success. Iran's key nuclear enrichment facilities have been completely and totally obliterated.
Iran, the bully of the Middle East, must now make peace. If they do not, future attacks will be far greater and a lot easier. For forty years, Iran has been saying death to America, death to Israel. They have been killing our people, blowing off their arms, blowing off their legs with roadside bombs. That was their specialty. We lost over a thousand people, and hundreds of thousands throughout the Middle East and around the world have died as a direct result of their hate. In particular, so many were killed by their general, Qasem Soleimani.
I decided a long time ago that I would not let this happen. It will not continue. I want to thank and congratulate prime minister Bibi Netanyahu. We worked as a team like perhaps no team has ever worked before, and we've gone a long way to erasing this horrible threat to Israel. I want to thank the Israeli military for the wonderful job they've done. And most importantly, I want to congratulate the great American patriots who flew those magnificent machines tonight, and all of the United States military on an operation the likes of which the world has not seen in many, many decades. Hopefully, we will no longer need their services in this capacity.
I hope that so. I also want to congratulate the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, general Dan Raising Caine, spectacular general, and all of the brilliant military minds involved in this attack. With all of that being said, this cannot continue. There will be either peace or there will be tragedy for Iran far greater than we have witnessed over the last eight days. Remember, there are many targets left. Tonight's was the most difficult of them all by far and perhaps the most lethal. But if peace does not come quickly, we will go after those other targets with precision, speed, and skill.
Most of them can be taken out in a matter of minutes. There's no military in the world that could have done what we did tonight, not even close. There has never been a military that could do what took place just a little while ago. Tomorrow, General Cain, secretary of defense, Pete Hegseth will have a press conference at 8AM at the Pentagon. And I wanna just thank everybody and in particular, God, I want to just say we love you God and we love our great military. Protect them. God bless the Middle East. God bless Israel and God bless America. Thank you very much. Thank you.
[01:44:25] Unknown:
So the president giving, the, the rundown of the, days activities. And, what I found particularly interesting in that whole thing was, and I've heard other people comment on this, specifically mentioning that, specifically mentioning, Pete Hegseth, Marco Rubio, and JD Vance in the background, as flanking him. And, I just wanna say what an incredible projection of power right there. Some people commented that they looked sick to their stomachs, they looked, you know, unhappy, they did did not look like they really wanted to be there. Perhaps in some circumstances, they didn't wanna be there under that particular circumstance, of course. But but just looking at that that scene right there, that was a projection of power.
President Trump, secretary of defense, HECSeth, secretary of state, Rubio, and the vice president, JD Vance. Another thing that I that I caught very interesting in that is when president Trump thanked God. I don't know if you caught it, and I I don't have the abilities to just isolate that one spot without having to go through the the entire clip again. But when he mentioned God, his voice cracked. That was from the heart. That was from the heart. That wasn't a prepared comment, or may have been a prepared comment, but it it affected him. And when I heard that, it it it affected me too. I I you know, president Trump's heart is in the right place.
This isn't a decision that he made lightly. This is not a decision that he really wanted to make, but one that had to be made. And what I also found interesting is, you know, when when when president Trump says he's gonna do something, he's gonna do it. And this was an absolute clear message to anybody in opposition to The United States that, this administration is not gonna be played with. President Trump talked frequently on the campaign about peace through strength. Peace through strength. And I think what he did yesterday, Saturday in ordering these strikes was a clear demonstration of peace through strength.
He put on display what the what the American military is capable of. Oh, you know, another interesting thing that did just kinda crossed my mind. Did you notice though there were no leaks? These plans didn't get out, and because of that, no American lives were lost, and it caught the Iranians completely off guard. Again, I I don't think that this is something that we should have been involved in in the first place, but unfortunately, we were. I stand by my president. I support him and everything he did, and I'm thankful, very, very thankful that it went well.
Now the president also, sent out a flurry of of, of posts on truth, today, yesterday, rather. So this was, this was after the, after the bombing took place as monumental damage was done to all nuclear sites in Iran as shown by satellite images. Obliteration is the accurate term. The white structure shown is deeply embedded into the rock even with it with even its roof well below ground level and completely shielded from from flame. The biggest damage took place far below ground level bullseye. And then he also, he also sent out a message.
And look, I I've I've been a critic on this too. I mean, ultimately, this has to do with regime change. And I've said that, and, you know, it's been said all across alternative media. It's been said direct indirectly by, the the Israeli government and and and our own government that that a lot of this has to do with regime change. President Trump sent this out, yesterday as well. It's not politically correct to use the term regime change, but if the current Iranian regime is unable to make Iran great again, why wouldn't there be a regime change? MIGA, m I g a. Now some people have said it's make Israel great again, and then some to say make Iran great again. I I I tend to lean on make Iran great again because that's the context of the message of the post.
If there is gonna be regime change, it it has to be done by the people of Iran. They have to be the ones to make that decision. I hope they do, but I don't think that it should be done militarily by, by The United States anyway. Now having said all that, then before I move on, I forgot about this one. And then, president sent out this. And this was, early this morning. Did I hear former president Medvedev from Russia casually throwing around the n word nuclear and saying that he and other countries would supply nuclear warheads to Iran? Did he really say that or is it just a figment of my imagination if he did say that? And if confirmed, please let me know immediately.
The n word, nuclear, should not be treated so casually. I guess that's why Putin's the boss. I guess that's why Putin's the boss. By the way, if anyone thinks our hardware was great over the weekend, far and away the strongest and best equipment we have, twenty years advanced over the pack, is our nuclear submarines. They are the most powerful and lethal weapons ever built, and they just launched 30 Tomahawks. All 30 hit their mark perfectly. So in addition to our great fighter pilots, thank you to the captain and the crew. Alright. Now, the reason why the president mentioned the submarines and what they were capable of is in response to what Medvedev said about supplying nuclear weapons to Iran.
I don't think that's gonna happen. The the I know that there were some some, governments had indicated that they were going to, explore that, like North Korea, I think Turkey as well, and Medvedev from Russia. But Putin himself said that he has no he has no interest in in getting involved in this. He said that there are over 2,000,000, Russians living in that region in that area, and he's not gonna do anything that's gonna put them in harm's way. So, so I I I don't I don't see that as something that's going to, that that would happen. Well, today, pretty much expected. I mean, because, you know, they did, you know, if if you get punched, you're expected to punch back, and so they did.
Iran today launched an attack against, the, the, the military installation in Qatar, which really, they launched 10, 10 missiles, and I think they were all destroyed and one flew out into the ocean. But this was on, Real America Voice today, on Iran's response.
[01:53:38] Unknown:
I don't think that the president of The United States wants to get involved with the regime change. He mentioned it in in a truth social post, but really I don't think that that's the job we're in. We've seen how that works out in Iraq. We've seen how that works out in Afghanistan, and the American people have no appetite for it. Having said that, I believe that they're completely in support of destroying a a country's nuclear capabilities that would have been targeting us, our homeland. What do you make of this? Is as far as destroying their nuclear capabilities? And when president Trump says something, apparently, he means it.
[01:54:11] Unknown:
Oh, you're absolutely right. And, you know, 1979, I was just a freshman at University of Tennessee when, the the whole thing, the Iranian episode in this chapter got started. And let's not forget October the twenty third of nineteen eighty three when Hezbollah, backed by Iran, killed 234 marines, sailors, and soldiers there in the Beirut barracks bombing. And the explosive force penetrators that Iran introduced into the battlefield on in Iraq and also in Afghanistan. So they have been targeting and killing Americans, like you said, for some forty six years. So it's about time that we got away from the feckless leadership that we saw from Jimmy Carter, from Barack Obama, and also from Joe Biden to once again understanding Ronald Reagan's peace through strength because the last president to take on Iran was Ronald Reagan, Operation Prem Mattis in 1988. Regime change is not our business. That's the business of the Iranian people, but I do find it very interesting that the Israeli Air Force went after the command and control headquarters of the military unit that is in charge of putting down domestic insurrections and, uprisings.
So I think that, the conditions are being set for the Iranian people to do what they feel is necessary for their liberty and freedom.
[01:55:24] Unknown:
Which is exactly what I said. It's up to the Iranian people to do this, not The United States. And then, another response, same the same panel in, let's go to this clip here.
[01:55:41] Unknown:
Well, I'm gonna start with you today because I want you to outline what was a remarkable mission. We've been talking about it at length. Thirty seven hours round trip for these b two bombers from Wyman Air Force Base in Missouri all the way over and back. As many as a 125, maybe more, Air Force planes involved in this incredible operation. It was incredibly precise, and there were no leaks about it ahead of time. That's what's remarkable to me, sir. Describe this mission the way you saw it.
[01:56:12] Unknown:
Well, you know, it's an amazing feat, and what the Air Force can do is, is incredible. The logistics involved in, performing that was was incredible, and the deception that we that we, that we did, going, you know, from the East to the West and, you know, putting bombs on target, all without having the land, all with air refueling. So the whole the entire leg of the operation for all that air refueling had to be coordinated. So it's a it's a great deal of effort to get all those people involved, and to maintain the classification. So, it's incredible.
Some great patriots,
[01:56:53] Unknown:
and all I'm sure all the services were involved in that entire operation. Yeah. Yeah. A remarkable undertaking to say the least. Also joining us today, bringing to your general, former commander of the West Virginia Air National Guard, Chris Walker. General Walker, welcome you to the conversation now as well, because I want to hear from you. You are somebody who has, lived and breathed the Air Force, and to watch this unfold, to see how this came together, how coordinated, refueling, other f 30 fives and f 20 twos running, as blockers, if you will, for the b twos that went longer than I can even imagine. Thirty seven hours in the air, general. This is a remarkable achievement, isn't it?
[01:57:41] Unknown:
It's what we would call a football game. We had the blockers and tacklers. We had the quarterbacks. We had the receivers. Well, Iran was the receivers, and they didn't like, getting that ball. But nevertheless, that's how we do it. That's how we train, and that's how we get things done. And I have to give some props to the Israeli Air Force for also softening the battlefield and taking out a lot of the air defense artillery.
[01:58:10] Unknown:
Yeah. Also joining me, Lieutenant Colonel Allen West, I mentioned a moment ago. Colonel, I mean, when you saw this happening and you realize what we were pulling off, and then to hear that they made it all the way in and out would be and being completely undetected. A satellite imagery coming out now. It looks like the the infliction of damage in Iran is it's significant. If it's not something that ends their nuclear program altogether, it sure sets it back for a couple of years anyhow. How did you see it?
[01:58:40] Unknown:
Well, first of all, you have to give a lot of credit to the, Israeli intelligence service, the Mossad, to be able to give us the, granularity that we have without a doubt on the ground. I think another thing that, as the general alluded to, the fact that the once, touted venerable s 300 surface to air missile systems were completely decimated and destroyed. We had not just air superiority and air supremacy, we had air dominance over Iran going in. And I think that's something that, shows the an incredible cooperation between the IDF, their air force, and also ours to be able to go in. But without a doubt, this was an incredibly, precision attack. And I think the thing that the American people need to be very happy about is we knew what the end state was, and it was about taking out the Iranian nuclear capability and capacity, and that's exactly what it was accomplished.
[01:59:33] Unknown:
And then today, like I said, the, Iran's government launched a missile strike at, at, US military installation in in Qatar. This very much reminded me of what happened in 2020 when, when the Trump administration then took out, the, Iranian general Soleimani. Iran notified the White House that they were going to retaliate and, that, they were gonna do it in a way that there wasn't gonna be any any injuries or fatalities, and they launched these missiles over into the desert. And, you know, they got they got a response. So and they, you know, saved face to, you know, their people.
Well, something very similar happened today. The Iranians let let us know that they were going to be launching a strike and, a retaliatory strike, and, they launched, I think it was 10 or so missiles, and which were all destroyed. And I think one, like I said earlier, slammed into the ocean instead. Alright. And there were no fatalities, no injuries, no Americans were hurt in any way, no Qataris were hurt in any way, And, this was, president Trump's message today. Iran has officially responded to our obliteration of their nuclear facilities with a very weak response, which we expected, and have very effectively countered. There were 14 missiles. Okay. I was wrong.
There have been 14 missiles fired, 13 were knocked down, one was set free because it was headed into a non threatening direction. I'm pleased to report that no Americans were harmed and hardly any damage was done. Most importantly, they've gotten it all out of their system and will hopefully, and there will be no and there will hopefully be no further hate. I wanna thank Iran for giving us early notice, which made it possible for no lives to be lost and nobody to be injured. Perhaps Iran can now proceed to peace and harmony in the region, and I will enthusiastically encourage Israel to do the same. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Donald j Trump, president of The United States Of America.
And then later, he went and continued to post, I'd like to thank the highly respected Emir of Qatar for all he has done in seeking peace in the region. Regarding the attack today at the American base in Qatar, I am pleased to report that in addition to no Americans being killed or wounded, very importantly, there have been also no Qataris killed or wounded. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Well, the, Israelis, of course, continued to, to strike even though president Trump has just communicated that it's time for peace. So which is really frustrating, you know, which is, you know, now is it okay. It's it's done.
If if the whole thing was about their nuclear capabilities that's been effectively eliminated at this point or at least greatly, greatly set back. Why are they continuing to strike? So, of course, that puts a lot of things into, you know, on edge. And, let me see where do I wanna go here. President Trump then also posted this message, congratulations world. It's time for peace. That was, shortly after he posted about, Iran's retaliatory strike. And then we got some really good news. Some really good news. The president sent out this message.
Congratulations to everyone. It has been fully agreed by and between Israel and Iran that there will be a complete and total ceasefire in approximately six hours from now when Israel and Iran have wound down and completed their their in progress final missions. For twelve hours, at which point, the war will be considered ended. Officially, Iran will start the ceasefire, and upon the twelfth hour, Israel will start the ceasefire, And upon the twenty fourth hour, an official end to the twelve day war will be saluted by the world. During each ceasefire, the other side will remain peaceful and respectful on the assumption that everything works as it should, which it will. I would like to congratulate both countries, Israel and Iran, on having the stamina, courage, and intelligence to end what should be called the twelve day war. This is a war that could have gone on for years and destroyed the entire Middle East, but it didn't and never will. God bless Israel. God bless Iran. God bless the Middle East. God bless The United States Of America. And God bless the world, Donald j Trump, president of The United States Of America.
And, probably the best thing was that, JD JD Vance was actually a was actually on his way to, a sit down with Brett Baer when the news came out, and, this is that clip.
[02:04:51] Unknown:
Seconds ago, the president went to Truth Social and typed this. It has been fully agreed by and between Israel and Iran that there will be a complete and total ceasefire. Complete and total ceasefire is what he typed. Yep.
[02:05:06] Unknown:
What does that mean? How did it come about? What's the development there? Well, we were actually working on that just as I left the White House to come over here. So that's good news that the president was able to get that across the finish line. I think what it means, Brett, is quite simple. First of all, the president without knock on wood, having a single American casualty obliterated the Iranian nuclear program. We are now in a place where we weren't a week ago. Week ago, Iran was very close to having a nuclear weapon. Now Iran is incapable of building a nuclear weapon with the equipment they have because we destroyed it. So that's a very, very big thing. Now what that means, I think, is we have to talk to Iran and, of course, to Israel about what the future holds. Because while we have obliterated the Iranian nuclear program, our hope and our expectation is that they're not gonna try to rebuild that program. And I think that's what the president is really trying to figure out here is to build a long term settlement here to where we can have peace in the region, where our regional allies and, of course, the American people most importantly can be secured, but where we can ensure that the destruction of the Iranian nuclear program that has already happened is not something they try to rebuild.
[02:06:14] Unknown:
Which of course is is is the end goal. Right? If you wanna separate it from regime change, which again, really has to be on the on the Iranian people people, not another country, not United States, not Israel. It has to be their decision. Alright. And then, the vice president also went on to talk about hitting a reset.
[02:06:42] Unknown:
When I left the White House, I thought that we might be able to get it across the finish line before this broadcast, and it looks like the president has been able to do that. I mean, look, he's been working the phones constantly. Frankly, before the twelve day war started, but certainly over the past twelve days, the president's been extremely clear about America's national objective here. It is to create a world where Iran cannot build a nuclear weapon. We, of course, destroyed the nuclear program that they had, and the president told the entire team we're gonna work to make sure that they don't try to rebuild that nuclear capability in the future. And it's look. This is a great thing. For Israel, think about this. They've accomplished an important military objective. They've helped us destroy the Iranian nuclear program. They've also destroyed the conventional missile capability of Iran that threatened the country of Israel. For the Iranians, I think this is a new opportunity to actually pursue the path of peace. As I said yesterday, what the Iranians have showed through their support of terror networks, through their now failed effort to build a nuclear weapon, is that they're just not very good at war. And I think the president really hit the reset button and said, look, let's actually produce long term peace for the region. That's always been his goal. I actually think when we look back, we will say the twelve day war was an important reset moment for the entire region.
[02:07:56] Unknown:
And I totally agree. And I hope that this is the end of it. I hope there's not gonna be anything else that comes up. I'm hoping that both sides be able to keep this, ceasefire into a permanent peace and a permanent truce, and, we don't have to worry about, sleeper cell activities here in The United States. So let's, let's let's keep that in prayer. Let's let's go to the Lord for that. And, you know, just thank God that this is, at least for the moment, done. Alright, folks. So we're gonna we're gonna call it quits here tonight. Don't forget tomorrow, we have another guest on the show tomorrow, the first hour. We bring a guest, his name is, he goes by the name of Mr. Whiskey. So that should be an interesting conversation. Looking forward to it, And, hopefully, you'll be able to join us. Alright. Well, with that said, shout outs to our executive producers, Wayne and Rosanna Rankin, and to our producer, anonymous Angela.
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Now, Andy Campbell is a survivor. He's an inspirational author. He's overcome some incredible life altering changes. He's he was the victim of child sexual abuse. He was a victim of bullying. He lost his mom at at a very early age. And then, there was this eventual, this estrangement that, took place with his father. And then and then, his battle with stage four pancreatic cancer. And while struggling with stage four pancreatic cancer, he lost his youngest son to suicide. So, we spoke to Andy last week, and, we invited him back to continue talking about, some of the things that, that he that helped him get through all of this stuff. And, look, you know, despite going through all of these surgeries, therapy treatment, chemotherapy treatments, and all the loss, Andy has come through in a remarkable, strong way.
And through all of these experiences that he's been through, he's developed a very unique perspective on resilience and the power of his 15 core beliefs. And that's where we left off with him last week, and that's where we're gonna pick it up now. So, Andy, if you're, if you're there, if you're ready to go, just, turn on your camera, turn on your mic, and let's get crack a lacking. There he is.
[00:10:21] Unknown:
Yep. How you doing? I'm doing great, brother. How are you? Good. Chrome was giving me a fit tonight, so I apologize for flashing in and out. And everywhere it wouldn't let me in, you know, enable the camera. So I apologize for the interruption. That's alright. It was a little confusing. I kinda fumbled my way through the opening.
[00:10:38] Unknown:
So it it was alright. It was okay. But we have persevered. We're here, man. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Your your 15 core beliefs that that don't outrun the universe, you know? So You gotta work inside the boundaries, man. There you go. You gotta work inside the boundaries. And you gotta remember, there are no hard decisions. That's right. There aren't. So I'm just we're just going through the list right here. So I'm looking at them I'm looking over them. So, how was your week, man? How how you how you been?
[00:11:02] Unknown:
It was good. You know? It was a good week. You have these things that happen along the way that raise up something. You know? I had, last night, I had a a young man, probably 12, 14 years old, young guy. And, I just take my dogs for a walk. My wife was with me, and he comes walking up to me and, gives me a car to start at a business to, you know, pick up dog poop in your yard. But, he had the same haircut as my son. He had the same, like, look like, it just, it was one of those emotional things. And I think a lot of times, life is like that. It just comes out of nowhere. And you really need to we we need to be able to be firm enough to, you know, take those things that happen that are unexpected even you know, that that's that's not something, like, it's not like I'm losing him again, but it it's something that brings up a lot of memories. And and I think that happens across a lot of different emotions, a lot of different experiences for people. And we have to learn how to just roll with that, understand what's gonna understand it happens, and understand that there's emotions tied to it. Mhmm. And, you might break down and cry about it. I mean, I think we've all been through things that they just flash across our mind and they affect us. And I think that's just part of being a human, being alive. And so we can't let those things stop us every time they happen. Right? We have to we have to kind of persevere even through the small things. Perseverance just in about the big things. Right? That's right. Yeah.
[00:12:45] Unknown:
Absolutely right. Now, So a good week overall. That was one way of saying it. A good week overall. Yeah. That's great, brother. I'm I'm glad to hear that. I I've I've shared your story with a number of people, over the course of the last week. And, we were really looking forward to to having you back on because, we we we stopped around the core beliefs the last time. And, what I'd like to do, because each one of these, we could sit and talk about them for a while, you know, for each one of these, these individual cores core beliefs that you that you've put together here. And, maybe just for folks that maybe hadn't checked out the other episode, but they were on with this, can you just kinda run us through, how you came about with these core beliefs and and what spurred what brought them upon?
[00:13:29] Unknown:
Yeah. Through so I guess I would start with saying I kind of see words and pictures. You know, some people hear words and they understand them as words. I if you say something, I see a picture. And so for me to it can get kind of a complex picture or complicated, so I have to be able to break things down into for me to remember them, I have to remember, you know, what I what I I tend to think of them as metaphrases. You know? They're they're little phrases that mean a lot more, underneath than what the phrase says. And so as I've gone through things in my life, I don't know why, but along the way, I would just write down these little phrases.
Things that I believe I've observed, things that I believe are true. Generally speaking, there's always an exception to a rule, but I I needed things that I could kind of hang on to between the moment that an event would take place and when I eventually felt like I couldn't move forward from that event. I need something in between that would kinda help guide me and keep me from, you know, losing it, right, or making bad decisions, which I've made a thousand up. Right? So so these things became, like, aspirational for me. Like, I would I would write them down, and then when something would happen, I would think about, I would think about these things. And over time, I thought of them as kind of, beliefs that were core to me. They became, like, ingrained over time. So I started to refer to them as my core beliefs. I I I got five to get you know, I've written down. I got to five. I thought, okay. Well, that'll be and eventually, five turned to ten and ten turned to 15. And, so that's how they kinda came to be, which is a way for me to remind myself very quickly of big topics and how I should, use those phrases to help me, you know, what became the title of the book, which was overcome setbacks. Like, how can I overcome this setback? I can look to these core beliefs and kinda have an anchor, that can help get me through. So that's the purpose.
[00:15:40] Unknown:
Alright. Now we're gonna go through these core beliefs. And and, folks, if you if you if you haven't checked him out from the last episode and you haven't looked these things up, I mean, these things are pretty they're pretty, all encompassing is, I guess, the way I'm looking the word I'm looking for for this. And, you start off with no one outruns the universe. Yeah. So give us an idea. So that's what we do. So we're gonna go through these one by one, and, I'm gonna I'm gonna throw it out to you. You're gonna take the time to explain it.
[00:16:12] Unknown:
Yeah. No one outruns the universe is, that one's about arrogance because I've been arrogant before. And, I have seen people who are they are arrogant enough to think they have thought of something for the first time. They have been through something the first time. They're smarter than everybody else. And and eventually, you know, the universe catches up with you. It was designed, I believe, in a cert it functions in a certain way. Right. And, it it is no one outruns the universe is a reminder to me, do not be so arrogant that you think you're smarter than what the creator created. You're not. You live inside what the creator created.
And so those rules that he put in place, when the creator put those rules in place for the universe, they apply to you. Don't be so arrogant you think you can get away with it. You're not gonna get away with anything. So it's just it's a reminder to me, to be humble, which is difficult. But, you know, I mean, I you know, like you there's always some time where we could have been had a little more humility. Okay. And so, and to be accepting things work the way they work. The universe works the way it works. And I think a lot of times when we don't accept the way the universe functions, then we become disgruntled.
We start, looking for ways around it. We think we can, you know, help. In a sense, what I would say, we think we can outrun it. Right? Like, and I think it's kind of the foundation of what, you know, it has been taught about, forgiveness and, you know, when people say moving on, I think some of it is, realizing that no one else outruns it either. It's not just you. The universe will catch up with you, you and and it will corner you. And some of us have had those experiences where we have we have gotten to a place through our own making, and and it has caught up with us and helped us see that there is a more optimal way to live. Mhmm. Maybe that's alcohol, drugs, a lot of other things I've experienced. I've experimented or either used heavily all most of them, you know, to deal with some of the childhood stuff that I didn't really realize until later in life, but I thought that was an example.
You know? Like, you don't outrun it, face it, man up, face the problem, and deal with it.
[00:18:40] Unknown:
I like what you have, on, your your your bio. It says, that's for no one outruns the universe. Embrace humility and acceptance knowing you're part of a larger plan.
[00:18:51] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. I like that. That that's a pretty good summarization of it. Alright. Well And you are. I think that's big in a lot of these things. How do you come back from these things? I think it's important to believe. I read a thing, a post that a guy did today, and it it told a story. But the the the end of it was, he wants he wants to be seen. He wants to know that god sees him. And I think that, you know, knowing that you're believing that you're a part of a larger plan and approaching it with humility, kind of instills in us that we are seen by the creator. Like, we we are there's something bigger than what we're going through at this moment. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. That makes a lot of sense.
[00:19:34] Unknown:
What about, there are no hard decisions, only hard consequences?
[00:19:40] Unknown:
I found when I I had decided to stop doing chemotherapy when, I think it was, like, round 15. And I felt like I was coming apart on the inside. Like, I was gonna actually, just one day, it was gonna be like a baseball with its with the strings coming, you know, coming down and the and the leather starts to come off the ball. And I felt like one day, I was just gonna bleed out. You know, like, I'd just be walking someplace, and I would just start bleeding out. So I I had this, like, this really soft voice in my head telling me that I needed to stop chemotherapy. Now it wasn't like a quitting, like I just wanted to die. It was just this voice that was saying it's time for you to stop.
And I had really bad reactions, like, from the twelfth to the fifteenth, really bad reactions. And so I was ready. But then there was this really loud voice that was telling me all the things that would go wrong, all the bad stuff that would the consequences of making that choice, of following that that kinda still soft voice. And without going through all the details, what happened was some events happened over ninety days from the day I decided to stop chemotherapy. I followed the still soft soft voice, not the loud one. And ninety days later, I was in a trial. And that was six years ago, and I'm still here. Okay. Praise the lord. And I and when I first got diagnosed, my prognosis was, you know, six to eight months, something like that. But at at at the outside, you know, somewhere between four and six months, maybe eight months if for some reason I suffered and and lived that long.
So what I did looking back on that, I wrote this one down because I realized my mind could only process the negative consequences. It didn't really think about any positive consequences because I hadn't experienced positive consequences yet. So I'm limited in what I can think. I could not think that, okay, just give it ninety days. Because in ninety days, this trial is gonna come open, and your daughters your oldest daughter is gonna find it, and then your wife's gonna work it out so you get into it. And then they're just gonna say fly up. And then, you know, in ninety five days, you're gonna be sitting in a trial, and you're gonna you you're gonna continue to live. I couldn't think of that as a consequence of the decision because it hadn't happened yet. K. So all I could think of was the loud, hard consequences that my mind was telling me would happen if I made this decision.
And what I reason I wrote that down was because actually I real I realized that actually, people say it all the time. I've said it before. Wow. That was a hard decision, or I can't make up my mind because that's a hard decision. And that one moment showed me and, again, it's it's it's for me, it's a belief. It's not an absolute rule. I'm sure there are exceptions. But it reminds me to separate what I anticipate a consequence of a decision to be from the decision. Because if I listen closely, I believe that that still small voice will tell me the right decision. What'll happen is my mind will then come up with all the really the things that I think are probable, but they're probably not probable. They might just be possible.
But it will take all these hard consequences. And then what we do as human is, humans, we take the hard consequences that we imagine will happen, and we pick them up and put them on the decision. And then we call the decision hard when really if we separate the consequences from what we, you know, what that still that quiet voice is telling us we should do. If you can separate those two, then it becomes a choice of the courage to face the possibility of those consequences, but do what you know is right. And so that's that's how that one came around. Right?
Follow your heart, face the consequences with courage. Listen to that still small voice, and don't give in to the loud potential hard consequences. Keep those two separated. I think that makes decision making easier. Well, it makes the decision
[00:23:35] Unknown:
more clear. It still doesn't make it easier. You still have to have the courage to make the decision you know is the right one. Yeah. No. I I get you. I totally get you. And I like I like the little caption you put here. It's, follow your heart and face the consequences with courage.
[00:23:49] Unknown:
Yeah. Your mind's gonna tell you all kind of bad stuff. I mean, look, is there ever, like, those times, but I've I've had people come back to me and say, you know, I was having this really difficult decision, and I thought about it. And, actually, I did know what to do. I was just afraid of the consequences. And once I got rid of those, or once I set once I separated them, the decision acts really clear. And I think it gets muddled when you let the two come together. Right? Like, muddy is the water. Like, separate those two out and make the decision based on what you know the right thing to do is and have the courage. Because what I have found is that it takes courage to get to the other side of the decision to realize that the consequences you were afraid of were not as likely as you thought they were.
Maybe something much better will happen. Yeah. That's a that's actually a great point.
[00:24:39] Unknown:
That's a great point. A lot of times we kinda go into things with just like blinders on, you know. We're not really looking at what the outcomes of those problems are. And I think that when you do focus on them, and you and you do, if you're always keeping your your your mind focused on what those the consequences to your actions are gonna be, you know, you're not gonna step out of the comfort zone that you live in. You're not gonna step out of, of of the routine that you follow, and you're not gonna take those chances. And I think that you have to take chances sometimes. You have to step outside and, even and and as far as decision making goes, I mean, we all come across, hard decisions every day, every single day.
Sometimes harder than others, in some circumstances harder than others. But the reality of it is is if you hide yourself from the consequences of at least that's the way I'm taking it is. Is if you hide your if you hide from the consequences of things, you're never gonna take a chance. You're never gonna step outside your comfort zone, step outside your boundaries, and you might be very surprised at what you can accomplish if
[00:25:52] Unknown:
you got it Well, I think that's true. If you put that aside. And it happens all the time. Right? Like, we, yeah. Like I said, it's to me, the the practice is, I don't do it always, but what I work to practice is when I'm when I'm thinking about a decision, if my mind goes to, oof, this is a hard decision Mhmm. I work to immediately have myself separate out what I think are the consequences. And then through prayer, meditation, or just a breathing exercise, just something to quiet my mind and listen for that softer voice Right. That you can't really hear because the damn consequences are so loud, like it's yelling at you. So you can't hear this little soft voice. Then if you can if I can separate those two and I can get quiet for a couple minutes, usually, like, that thing, you know, it it kinda works its way through. Or maybe it takes ten minutes or maybe it takes a day, but the idea is to become disciplined in separating away the consequences. Don't let the don't let the fear of the consequences, you know, keep you from your dream. Don't let it stop you from doing, you know, a livestream. Don't let it stop you from doing these things. Right? You know, like, set the consequences aside for a moment and just think about whether what is the right decision irrespective of the consequences. Right.
[00:27:10] Unknown:
Which makes a ton well, to me anyway, makes a ton of sense. It it does. What about, let's see. This one was interesting. Always fall forward.
[00:27:21] Unknown:
Yeah. So, again, I'm very visual. I think of as of, you know, I mean, if you play play football or contact sports, you've always been hit so hard, you've gone backwards. Somebody has hit you hard enough that you've gone backwards. Oh, sure. And I think that's, kinda metaphorical for some of these difficulties in life that, you know, that happened when I was diagnosed. When I got the diagnosis, a pancreatic cancer the day before, they told me they found lesions on my liver. And I I sent my doctor a message and said, hey. Liver cancer is bad, but at least not pancreatic cancer. And then the next day, they got the MRI results, and it was pancreatic cancer. And so I think, for me, always fall forward. I go back to, you know, if you're a linebacker and somebody runs over you or you're running back and you just get leveled, you know, one of the things I think you always wanna do is as best you can, if you get knocked backwards, get back towards your hands and knees as fast as you can, but get your head pointed back toward the line of scrimmage. It's kind of the visual. Right? Like Yeah. Right yourself. Whichever way you got hit, you got knocked back, you've been hit so hard, you lost your breath, you've had this terrible thing that's happened, and you're not really sure what to do, then don't try to do anything except get your head back toward the line of scrimmage. Right? At least get your head turned around Yeah. In the direction that you were going before you were, before you were knocked down or before you were, hit with this event.
And so that one is there to remind me, you're going to have these things that happen, but that doesn't mean your goals change. And to reach your goals, you need to get your head back toward the direction that you were headed that you were going before you had this event occur. And so I think a lot of times after an event occurs, we get kinda sidetracked. Like, we we get disoriented, and we're not exactly sure which way to go and what do we do. And and it's just a reminder to me, you know, keep moving towards your goals even when you fall. You know? Get your get yourself turned around and remember the goal before the event happened. Yeah. It's funny with with because,
[00:29:27] Unknown:
like you said, you you visualize things with with words, and you you know, and I'm looking at always fall forward. And I don't know why, but for some reason, it reminded me of a quote that, general Patton was known to say. And that is that, they they don't like he doesn't he doesn't like to retreat because he didn't like to pay for the same real estate twice. Yeah. Yeah. You know? So I don't I don't know if that exactly falls in line with always falling forward, but for some reason, that's that's what came to my mind when you were as you were talking and I was looking at at my notes here.
[00:30:02] Unknown:
Well, let's see. That that's kind of the point of it. And, actually, I think it is, you know, appropriate. Right? It is there will be setbacks. The the objective is you had a goal when you started. You continue to push toward that goal in spite of or despite the setbacks. Right. And so I think it is, I think that, you know, I don't like to pay for the same real estate twice. Sometimes in life, we might have to. We've, you know, been, you know, he didn't say he never retreated. He said he didn't like to. Right. But even when he retreated as quickly as he could, he got his head turned back around, and he remembered the objective. Right? So I think it's it's look. You're gonna have these things that set you back sideways.
They they knock you flat. But the idea behind that core belief is, remember your goal before that thing happened. Yes. You had a set rate. Yes. This thing occurred, but you still had a goal when you started. Now get back on track. Right.
[00:31:06] Unknown:
Which makes ton of sense. These are great, man. These are really good good like, I'm looking at them, like, I I could see things in my life in every one of these so far, you know, which is which is great. Have an insatiable curiosity.
[00:31:23] Unknown:
Yeah, man. Don't, I think, I like to be around people who are insatiably curious. I like my so I have this, this way I look at professionals, you know, like, what we think of as, like, the professionals, doctors, lawyers, whatever. And I tend to think there are doctors and then there are physicians. There are, you know, lawyers and there are counselors. And I like the counselors more than the lawyers, and I like physicians more than doctors. And I think what separates those, you know, in in that example, what separates them is an insatiable curiosity. They're never quite satisfied with what they know today.
You know, they they they see everything as as something else to learn. And when that happens, they or we will end up finding new options to solve problems, new ways of thinking about a problem that we never thought of before. That makes sense. And I have seen, you know, physicians who just when they came out of medical school, what they knew when they came out of medical school is all they knew. And, I've seen people in the finance world that whatever they thought, the markets would do thirty years ago, that's what they believe today. And so I just think it's it's it is a reminder to me, you know, I said you know, the the the subtitle is let your desire to find wisdom guide you through life.
And I think that's kind of my grandfather used to say experience is what you get just after you needed it. And I think, you know, wisdom is kind of built
[00:33:02] Unknown:
on the experiences that we have. There's a lot of truth in that.
[00:33:06] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. It is. I mean, it's it's basically like that is one of the like, if you if you look for a truth in the universe, like that one would be it. Yeah. Experience is what you get just after you needed it. Yep. And I think, if your desire is to find wisdom, maybe not to become wise, but to become wiser than you are today, the only way you can do that is to be insatiably curious. Right. You have to be curious about everything. When you're when you're talking to people, you have to ask them questions. When you're, when you're facing a situation, you can't take it for granted. You have to you have to, you have to ask questions about it. You have to want to know. Mhmm.
And so that one is really just, you know, seek wisdom and, and let and let the seeking of wisdom kind of guide your life.
[00:33:59] Unknown:
What about, compete only with yourself?
[00:34:04] Unknown:
You know, this is one where I think so let's just take dealing with a traumatic event. You know, how would you how you deal with that? You know, you you're gonna deal with things like grief. Okay? There is there is no timeline for dealing with grief as an example. We just use grief as an example, but it applies to a lot of things. You know, they say there's, what, five stages of grief? Yes. And, I think it's five stages of grief. It is. And, you know, then they'll say, well, you don't go through those linearly. You know, you you might go, you know, you might get to stage three and then back to stage one and then back up to stage five and then back to say, you know, like, you move all around. And you look at people who are going through that. So let's say you join a a a group with people who have suffered a loss similar to yours.
And, you know, because you want kind of camaraderie. You wanna know that you're not the only one. Maybe somebody will understand what you're going through. And then there was this little thing that slips in your hand because, wow, how are they doing so much better than me? You know? Like, how are they doing so much better than me? Now whether that's in a support group or whether that's in your work life, or whether that's somebody who's, you know, pursuit, you know, they they seem to be ahead of you financially. Somebody has become a vice president while you're still on the line working.
None of that really matters. You know? You you have different goals than everybody else. Right. And, you know, this came true to me when I when I made a decision. My wife and I made a decision that she would stay home with our children and raise them. She would be a homemaker. That was going to be her job. And my job was going to be providing for the family. That's what my job was. Okay. And did but to spend time with my children, I made a decision. You know, I I didn't play golf as much. I didn't you know, even though customers wanted to play golf, I didn't play golf that much. I didn't go out with the boys on Friday night and drink. That was my time to hang out with the children. Right. I didn't take, promotions that would have gotten me that would have required me to be on the road. Now I didn't know at the time I made those choices that, you know, nine, ten, twelve years later, my son would take his own life. But because I didn't because I I stayed to my own my own goals, what I wanted, and I didn't compare myself to people who started their careers at the same time and now they're vice president. So they're on their way to being senior vice president.
Because I didn't shift away from my goals, I only competed with me, not them. When a tragedy struck, I had nothing. I I was I did not have to look back and wonder, could I have done it differently or better? Right. I put everything I had into it, and I stuck to my own goals. And I think that is, I think it's super important. If you're in business, your business competes with other businesses. You don't just compete against yourself. Right. You you know, you do compete with other people, other businesses. But in life and in in your personal endeavors, know what your goal is so you can measure success by your own progress.
That that's the objective. If you know what success is, and if you're not, then spend time figuring out what success is for you, and then only measure yourself against that goal of success. So whether it's grief and you think, wow. You know? Or or you just got you know, there's a couple that you and your wife know, and they just seem so much happier than you. Dennis Prager's mother, I heard this probably thirty years ago, and it stuck with me. It might be where I wrote this one down. He said that his mother he was complaining one day about how these other families seem so much happier than his family. And his mother reminded him that the only happy people she knew were the people she didn't know well.
And I think, you know, it just kind of stuck with me that everybody has problems. And don't compare yourself to what you see because you have no idea what's going on behind the scenes. No idea. That person is on his way to being a senior vice president. They could be the most unhappy. Watching my language, but they could be very unhappy. Okay? And, and you don't know because they're you you look on you look on social media, everybody's having happy. Okay? Everybody's having Yeah. Yeah. And they all got the great selfies. And then they, you know, they put the filters on. Life is wonderful. When they turn the camera you you seen people do this. Like, they put the camera up. They got this huge smile, and they're like, oh, that's great. And they turn it off, and they're just as pissed off at the world as they're and it's like, so people on social media see those people, and they're, like, comparing themselves to them. You know? They should be comparing themselves only to themselves. Yeah. Only to only to themselves because they don't any idea what's going on with somebody else. Yeah. That's why I call it fake book, not Facebook. Yeah. It is. It is in a lot of ways. Yeah. You have no idea what's going on in people's lives. And it and, you know, and where I work too,
[00:39:01] Unknown:
I come across that a lot because I'm I'm dealing with elderly folks and Yeah. And whatnot. And, you know, you just you you could you you you build up relationships with them. You you talk to them a little bit. And it's it's funny because that dynamic you just described, I mean, out among the community when they're out in the in the in the building itself and all that stuff, they're they're, you know, smiles all happy and and, you know, you know, getting along with everybody. But then, you know, you have those occasions where you go by their rooms, and they're sitting there in tears because Mhmm. You know, nope, they don't have anybody coming to visit, or they don't get visited often, or or whatever the sit the particular circumstance or situation is. You know, you don't know what goes on other people's lives. Absolutely true. Absolutely true.
[00:39:46] Unknown:
You just know about yours and, you know, whether it was the passing of my son and how we came through that or still going through that today. You know, we would see people and and it was like, how how are they doing so well? Mhmm. And it was just a reminder to myself, like, you have no idea how they're actually doing. You just know how they're presenting. Right. There's a big difference between presenting and doing. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I I could use myself as an example too. I mean,
[00:40:17] Unknown:
you know, when, when I lost the whole top end of my family and, you know, went went to my divorce and and all that stuff, you know, I I there there were times where I I didn't show it. I didn't wear it on my sleeve, and there were times where I couldn't hold it in, you know, and I was so obvious that there was something wrong. But, but, yeah, I mean, there there were, like I said, there were days where, you know, I would go to work, and I'd be joking around with everybody and having a grand old time, and couldn't wait to get home to open up the bottle and drink and pass out and, you know, forget about everything and move on to the next day. Thank god I'm not in that situation now. I'm, you know, things are a lot better. But but, you know, so I I I totally can relate to that completely, you know. And then you have, thinking versus knowing.
[00:41:05] Unknown:
Yeah. You know, it kinda ties back into the have a sensible curiosity and compete only with yourself. Right? So, I, you know, I know there was, was it Rumsfeld's quadrant of, like, the known knowns, the known unknowns, the unknown knowns, and the unknown unknowns. You know? And so, kind of kind of not directly aligned to that, but the idea is, when making a decision or when even communicating with someone, when you're going to when you think you know their motivations, when you when you're working on a project at work, when you're, you know, when you're dealing with a loss, when you're, trying to when you're working to figure out what you're gonna do about your cancer diagnosis, there is a difference between thinking you know an answer and knowing you know an answer.
Right. And a lot of times, I think and and there are going to be plenty of times when you have to make decisions. You you've gotten as much information as you're gonna get. You still have to make a decision based on what you think. Right? I think this is, the inform I think, you know, this information is correct. I don't know, but I think it is. I'm gonna make this decision. But we should not be lazy about it. If there are things that we should know, then I wanna know those things because it helps inform my decision making.
What that requires is that I don't pay people. I stay focused on my goal, kinda working my way back up. I stay focused on my goal. Some people will move faster to a decision than me. I move a little bit slower, but I move with what I think is a little more certainty Mhmm. Because I've spent a little extra time separating out what I think I know from what I do know. And then I go find out what I know because I'm insatiably curious. If I identify that there's something I truly do not know, I just think I know it. I might have told myself for a long time that I know it. But if I really examine it and it's based on an assumption, then I wanna be insatiably curious and go find out because we can now. It's not like, you know, it's not like this is 1975, and you gotta go to Encyclopedia Britannica. You gotta wait till next year to buy another copy or you gotta work off, you know, five year old information. You could just go buy me information. So, I think those kinda tie together. Be insatiably curious, compete only with yourself, move at your own speed. Mhmm. Stay focused on your goal. Right. And then make sure that whatever you know, separate separate in your mind truthfully, Be ruthless in your truthfulness about what you think you know versus what you really know. And it even applies to communication. You I may think I know what you what your intent was behind something you say, But I don't actually know unless I ask you what your intent was. Right?
So ask somebody what they really meant by that. You might be surprised. They might be looking at well, no. I meant this other thing, and now you've gotten all pissed off and, you know, you're, like, ready to throw hands, and they didn't even mean what they said. You know? Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:44:08] Unknown:
You know, when I was reading this originally, thinking versus knowing, it made me think of a of a of a another little silly thing that was, it was the difference between knowledge and wisdom.
[00:44:22] Unknown:
Mhmm. Alright?
[00:44:24] Unknown:
Knowledge Big difference. Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is knowing. Wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad.
[00:44:35] Unknown:
Exactly. Exactly. It's a great one. Yeah. I like that. I'm gonna steal that one, man. I'm gonna steal that one. Well, I stole it from somebody else. So Yeah. I don't know where I got it from. I've heard it somewhere else. Obviously, somebody has some they got experience just after they needed it, and that's how they got that reason. Right? Exactly.
[00:44:51] Unknown:
Yeah. Exactly right. Well, this is this is a great one too. I I like this one. Every challenge has a chewy nougat center made of opportunity. First first of all, where the heck did you get that from?
[00:45:06] Unknown:
So I used to there was a time when I really liked milk chocolate, and there was a couple of candy bars, as you can imagine, that I was a big fan of. Mhmm. And I don't like the saying every cloud has a silver lining. Okay? I don't like that because visually to me, if there was a silver lining, why the hell would I go inside a dark cloud? I would just hang out in the goodness around the darkness. I wouldn't go into it. But that's not how life is. Life is that you go into these dark places. You go into these difficult times. And when you're in it, I think I think, like, that silver that silver line is actually like that. It it's down at the center of that problem. Now I don't believe that problem exist because you know, to show you that chewy nougat, so that opportunity.
But, like, let's take, you know, whether it was a cancer diagnosis, one of the opportunities that was there was it gave me a really good reason to change the way I was eating. Right? It gave me a reason to look at the the nutrients, the nutrient depletion in soil and highly processed foods and think, well, if I can't get all the nutrients I need, maybe that's a valid reason for taking these supplements and these vitamins and minerals is to give my body what it needs. Maybe that's part of my cancer problem. I'm not giving it. It doesn't have the ability to fight back. So, you know, I made a I made a a decision to eat differently. Not perfectly, differently.
And, and so, you know, that's like a little opportunity that's inside that problem that as I didn't die along the way, eating better made life a little more enjoyable. Like, that that was an opportunity. Or when my my son took his own life, you know, through the process of grieving, we ended up going through this, EMDR type therapy, and that helped me deal with some of the things from my childhood, you know, from all the way back to sexual abuse that I thought had I had dealt with. And I had kinda put in a box and and sorted out, and I didn't. So that was an opportunity in that darkness.
An opportunity presented itself, and I had to make the choice to take that opportunity. Right? I could have easily seen that there were things I I needed to have the courage to confront. And I could have easily made the choice not to do that. It was too painful. I don't wanna do that. But I think by making the choice to face those things, I have been able to take an opportunity out of this really tragic situation. Doesn't justify the situation, doesn't make the situation any better. But it seems to me to be kind of a waste if you're gonna get the, you know, the poo kicked out of you.
You've you should at least walk away with some kind of consolation prize. Right? I mean, you should at least walk away with something, out of these really terrible situations. And, you know, I think that the idea is we have a choice to look for those, not as a reason for this bad thing to have happened, but we're there. I think the thing is, look, there's opportunity. Anybody can see opportunity when everything's going great. Of course. You see opportunity. It's like, you know, today's a great day. You know what I did? I found this thing, and I did this thing, and it was wonderful. The question is, when everything goes wrong, can you still find the opportunity in that day? Alright. That's the catch.
Yeah. And so that's that's what that one's about. It's just a reminder to myself that, you know, you're gonna go through this bad thing anyway. It might help you get through it if you could take your mind's focus and put it on searching for something that you can take away from this.
[00:48:50] Unknown:
Alright. Never be waiting.
[00:48:54] Unknown:
No. I mean, I learned this one early, early, early on in my sales career. Probably thirty something years ago. I had a sales manager who did not like to hear that I was, waiting for the purchase order to come in. And he was he was adamant that no one should be waiting around for a purchase order. And I thought, you know, to get him off my back, other salespeople didn't understand or or couldn't quite figure out how to deal with what he was saying. And so if he came to me, I never told him you know, after the first time, I never told him that I was waiting, for a purchase order to come in. I said, hey. While they're processing the purchase order, while I'm working on that, I'm also working on my sales pipeline. I'm also working on my next opportunities. I'm doing I'm working on these things, or I'm working to get the purchase order in. I'm doing these steps to do it, and he just loved that. And I thought, well, that's easy enough. You know? Why don't you just do that? And so then that became like a practice.
And then I noticed that in other parts of life, it kinda worked out the same way. Right. You know? We we always, you know, never just be waiting on something to occur. There is, you know, always find something to do and remain proactive. Right? That's kind of the subtitle of that one. Like, just find something to do and remain proactive. And I think too many times people will say, I I just I just don't like the phrase. You know? It's just like, well, what are you doing? Well, I'm waiting on this to happen. Mhmm. Well, really?
Like, what is the universe just supposed to like, it it's it's just gonna show up. You don't have to do anything for it. Now you're just waiting. And I think that's, I don't think that's a good approach, to anything. Like, when we when we were grieving the loss of my son, we did not just wait to get better. We did something to get better. We did something to stay alive ourselves. Right? When it was I did not just wait to die. I did not wait for the doctors to come up with the next thing. I worked at I I pursued the next thing. Right? And they would come to me and they go, well, why you know, how are you getting better? We don't understand how you get better. It's like, well, I'm doing this. I'm doing this. I'm doing this. I'm doing this. Right? I have to do something between the time you give me the chemo. This this week and three weeks from now when I do the chemo again, what are you gonna do? I'm not just gonna sit around and wait for the next chemo treatment. Right. You know, there's things I can do. Maybe that's doing nothing but taking a few supplements or, you know, meditation or acupuncture, but there's gotta be something I can do. I can't just sit around and wait. Yeah. I I actually I follow that,
[00:51:31] Unknown:
principle, you know, in my job. You know, I don't like to sit around. I have things I have to do. I can't be sitting waiting for stuff. And, you know, you you take that you take that and you try to improvise other ways of if you if you are waiting for something like parts or whatever, you know, you you improvise. You try to come up with another way to do the same thing, you know, in another way. You know, you make whatever adaptations you have to make in order to, to to see the end result. Don't like to sit around. I don't like to to not be doing anything. I always have to be doing something. And yeah. And as a as a boss, as a manager myself, I don't I don't wanna hear from people that work with me that that, I'm just, you know, I'm waiting for this to happen. I'm waiting for that to happen. No.
And then and and in the same regard too, in in my personal life, you know, in in dealing with the losses that I've dealt with, it's the same same exact thing. You know, you and this is why it resonates with me is because, you know, I see myself in a lot of these these steps that you have here. In in my in my life when I was going through the grieving process, and and, you know, I'm still kinda going through the grieving process of Sure. All of that loss. You know, I found things to do to occupy my mind and occupy my time, whether it was I think that's it, Joe. Right? Like, you you need you
[00:52:53] Unknown:
you're a lot of times our future is where we put our focus. Mhmm. And, you know, if your focus if you if if you're waiting, there's a lot of negative thoughts that can come into that space when you're going through that kind of thing. Right? So if if you can do something to occupy your mind to put it on something else Mhmm. And I'm not saying that you do it so much to avoid the actual, you know, thing you're going through. But there are times when if you don't if you're just waiting for the next thing to happen, it can be very, very discouraging. Yeah. Right? And and you might just decide to quit. Yeah. Absolutely.
[00:53:24] Unknown:
One of the things that I I was working on is, I was doing another podcast at the time, and, it was it was more of a bible study podcast than than politics and such. And through the whole process of everything that I was going through, the greeting process, I really didn't realize it at the moment. I didn't realize it till after the fact that a lot of the things that I was studying and I was teaching through the Bible study wasn't really for the audience. It was really for it was really for me. And, you know, that that that just that just blew me away when I realized that, and I was like, wow. You know, I really put myself into this, and, so so, yeah. I mean, you you always always find something to do that and and it was therapeutic in a lot of ways too because, you know, I was I understand. I was able to to deal with what I was dealing with a lot easier because I was telling stories about it without realizing it and putting myself in that whole situation. So,
[00:54:27] Unknown:
never try, always work. Yeah. I don't like the word try. I just decided somewhere along the way that, the word try to me and I know people use it all the time, and I'm not criticizing other people using it or how they apply it. This is just for me. I work I've done it twice during this conversation. I've started to say the word try, and I've packed up and replaced it with the word work. Mhmm. And I do that intentionally because to me, words matter, and try sounds like, it it sounds like I'm attempting. You know? Like, I'm gonna try. It's just the way it feels to me. It just feels I give it my best shot. You know? And work to me sounds like something, like, I'm just gonna keep grinding at it, man. I'm just gonna keep grinding and grinding and grinding, and I'm just gonna work at it. And there's not gonna be a place where I just say, well, you know, I tried.
You know? If if if I fail at it, I'm gonna say I worked and worked and worked, and then it didn't work out. But I don't know. It just that's just one for me that's, you know, you know, just it's, you know, like, the the subtype, so it is commit to action and avoid complacency. To me, try just sounds it kinda goes with with never be waiting. You know? Like, you know, it's like, well, I'm I'm trying to do this. I'm waiting for this to occur. I don't know. They just feel like they go together. And so to me, it's like, never be trying. I mean, never be waiting and never try, always work. Like, those two just kinda fit together for me. Yeah.
And it's and it's just a reminder to me that words matter what we say and what we think we hear. If we say it, we hear it twice. We hear it on our head, and then we hear our own voice going back through our ears. And I I work to reinforce to myself words that purposely
[00:56:30] Unknown:
whether I believe them at the moment or not, they will they're I do it to purposely convince myself of things. Right? I wanna hear those things more often. Yeah. No. That makes sense. I I say all the time that, you know, words mean things. You know, you have to you choose your words very carefully. And in some sometimes in the context, that word try like, I understand where you're coming from with that because sometimes to me, again, in context, sometimes try really means I give up.
[00:57:00] Unknown:
Yeah. That okay. So I mean, we're we're kind of aligned to it. Right? I mean, that's I don't you know, it's like, well, I tried. You know, it's not even like I'm trying. Well, I tried. You know, how hard did you try? Did you really work at it? You know? Like, you know, how much effort? How how much of your shoulder did you put into that grindstone? Like, you know, what did you what did you really do about that? And so, like I said, it's again, it's not meant to be it's not meant to be like a, you know, a hard and fast, you know, the word try means this for everybody. Anybody could replace those words with whatever matters to them. My my point in that core belief is, in this case, is exemplified to me by never try, always work. There's other things that kinda have that never do that, do this. And it's usually between a display of effort versus effort. Mhmm. And that's really what it's trying to say. It's like, are you displaying effort or are you actually efforting to get this done? Right. Yeah. That makes sense.
[00:57:59] Unknown:
The 38 special rule.
[00:58:02] Unknown:
Yeah. I wrote this one down for two reasons. One, you know, I, music from the eighties was just better. And, seventies, eighties, and nineties were just better. It just was. But, you know, obviously, you know, the song tells a story, and it's got its it's got its, meaning to it. But I remember my oldest daughter was about I think she's about six or seven, and, she was at school. And so they had this, like, pond out on the school campus. And so they would do, like, this little field trip thing. Not a field trip, but like an outdoor thing. You know? And, she was there. It was like a parent's day or whatever. Actually, I wasn't there. I was worship, but my wife was there. And, and my my my oldest daughter picked up this tadpole.
And, and she did not want it to drop on the ground because she knew it would die out of the water. And so she held on to it. And when my wife told her, you know, she needed to put it back in water when she opened up pan, tadpole was dead. You know, it had died in her hand because she was holding on to it so tightly that it ended up killing it. And so I think between the song and between thinking of that story, there's many things that we want to save. There's many things that we think we are helping, but we can hold on to those things too tightly. Yeah. We you know, my son was something that no matter how hard I held on, you know, it it takes two to be part of that process. Right? So, I can't control things to the point of forcing them to happen.
You know, I have to I have to understand that I have to remind myself because it is in my nature to to work, to kinda control things, to to brute force something, right, and and make it happen. And it's just a reminder that, you can actually make it worse by doing that. Right? You you can show that you care about something without, without suffocating it. Yeah. And, that's a that's an aspirational one for me. I've you know, I think because of the way I grew up and some of the things that happened, that was a real challenge to me. So for me personally, that one's just a reminder that, you know, you kinda gotta go along some with the universe. You can't control everything.
[01:00:20] Unknown:
Be religious, only about religion.
[01:00:24] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm all about, you know, religion. I'm I'm a I'm I'm a Christian myself. I believe in, in the tenants of the faith. But I don't believe that having a dogma, like a a religious dogma, should apply to everything. Okay? Like, you know, should I bring the same passion, that I have for, say, you know, a belief in what Job was trying to communicate, what he was working to communicate. Right? Should I bring that same passion to a discussion with my spouse? Mhmm. Probably not. Not helpful. You know? Might wanna be a little less dogmatic.
Should I bring that to my boss? Should I bring that to the people I work with? Should I be so dogmatic as if this is this belief is the be all and end all, my eternal existence, rest or falls on my sticking to this belief. That's kind of religion. Right? You know, it's like, well, I wanna go to heaven. I wanna live with you know, I wanna I wanna be I want these accomplishments. That's my religious dogma teaches me that if I do these things, that, you know, this will be my reward.
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Mhmm.
[01:01:37] Unknown:
You know, so in that case, you know, like, religion is like, it's a do or die proposition. It's a it's an eternal proposition. But I don't really think arguing with my wife is an eternal proposition. I don't think, you know, arguing with my son is an eternal, proposition. I don't think, you know, whether the the business I work for does what I think it should do or not, is that is that an eternal proposition? You know? Should I bring that kind of weight to the problem? And I am I contributing a, an air or an energy of peace and calm and, you know, and, good decision making? Or am I bringing it like this it this decision determines the fate of my eternal soul?
And it probably doesn't, you know. I mean, it's it's like, are we gonna where are we gonna eat tonight? You know. And so I just think it's a reminder that, it's a reminder to me to check myself when I start to get into an argument or I start to go down a path. You know, am I treating this like it's important, or am I treating it like your eternal soul depends on it? There's a difference. Yeah. No. You're right. Absolutely right.
[01:02:49] Unknown:
Equations are constant. Variables are constantly changing.
[01:02:54] Unknown:
I got this one. I majored in finance in college, and, I noticed that, you know, if if you you know, mathematics, same thing, economics, finance, statistics, all those things that basically, the equations that you learn, you know, to, to work through a particular financial decision, the equations are always the same. Mhmm. Like, the equation just works. And then what changes are the variables in the equation. And depending on the variables, it it changes completely the summation of the equation. And one day I thought, man, I wonder if life is like that. Like, you look at your life, and would I be less depressed if I thought that I don't actually know the summation of my life? Like, today, if I looked at the summation of my circumstances, it would not be very positive. You know, like, when I'm in the middle of something, it might not be very positive. Like, the summation of my life, if it ended today, it would just, like and I thought about that when I was, you know, diagnosed with cancer. Right? It's just like Of course. Yeah. And and if you take that, the equation for pancre stage four pancreatic cancer works, like, this way. Now we're all gonna die, but the variables changed. And so the summation of that equation changed. Like, my life has been extended almost seven years old now. And so I just think it's it's also a reminder, to give the creator an opportunity to move the universe in your favor. Mhmm. Just because you think you you know, you see this way your life's gonna work out, and for me, let's just call it an equation, your life's equation.
You have no idea what he's gonna do to the variables in your equation. None. All you know is what you can see today. You can't see one second into the future. So if you sum your life today, it would only be what has happened and what and what happens at this moment and then the next moment. But you don't know what's gonna happen thirty days from now. You don't even know what's gonna happen ten minutes from now, let alone a year from now. Yeah. And I think, you know, this applies. I I was speaking to someone one time, and she was so we're talking about my son's, suicide, and she was talking about she'd had suicidal ideations, but then she had decided against it. And I said, well, how did you decide against it? And she said, well, I was 16, and I just decided that, I would give myself until I was 19.
And I would see how things worked out and I'd make the decision then. And she goes, you know, by the time I was 18, my life was a lot better. Yeah. And it was like, okay. So in my world, she just she waited for the variables in her life to change. She gave it a little time. The variables changed, and then also the summation of her life was like, well, this isn't that bad. I think I can keep going. Right? And so just because the equation stays the same, just because and you think you know the outcome, give life a chance. You know? Let let give time, the universe, the creator, the higher power, the whatever you call it, give it time to change the summation of your life's equation.
[01:05:59] Unknown:
That's, man, I as you're explaining that, I I had just pictured many, many things going through my in my mind of things in my life that, and that's what that's what I love about these because I can apply these things to my life, and I see just as you're going through them, I just I just see how how it all applies. The, you know, you know, talking about that, you know, the variables constantly change. It's very, very true because, three years ago when when I was contemplating just, you know, ending it all and just, you know, just giving up.
You know, plenty of times I sat there with with the means and the ability to do it and just, no, I'm gonna wait. No, I'm gonna wait. I'm gonna wait. I'm gonna wait. And then, look, here I am three years later. I'm in a much better situation than I than I had been. You know, I I really I mean, I have my complaints about life, but you know what? It's nowhere near as difficult as it was three years ago. And, I would have missed all these opportunities that I've had over the last three years had I pulled the trigger. A 100%. You know? So A 100%. So, yeah, the variables do change, and and that's and that's and I guess that in a lot of ways, that's that's that's a that's an important message to get to people who are in circumstances like that, you know, in in my estimation.
Like, if you Look, I I'm sorry. And I was gonna say, if you if you're so if if if you're listening to this, you're watching this, and you have these thoughts in your head that, you know, that you don't wanna continue on. I mean, you heard our stories here. Things change over time. You gotta give yourself that time and get give yourself that space to to breathe and to understand the circumstances that you're going through, and you will come through it. You will come through it.
[01:07:49] Unknown:
Yeah. And look, and if you don't have the if you're uncertain about it right now or you don't think you have the wherewithal to, to fight this demon any further or to struggle against this life any further, call one of the help lines, talk to somebody. You know, find somebody who would just listen. You know? Yeah. But I think, when you're in that moment, I imagine I mean, I've only I've only been close to that moment maybe once, that I remember, that I'm aware of. Mhmm. And I think when you're in that moment, you probably don't care about anyone else. Right? You're just in in in some people say it's selfish, but I think in that moment, it's just kind of it it is paradoxically paradoxically self preservation even though it's like it's ending your life. It's like, I'm only concerned in this moment about removing this pain from myself. Right? Like, getting out of this life.
But I think, you know, people should at least come to terms with that pain that you're feeling is not gonna go away. It's gonna stay, and it's gonna affect the people who love you. It's gonna impact the people who know you, and it's gonna affect people that you never knew. And the better choice, is to stay here and work to reduce or eliminate the pain because now you're you you can and you are changing the variables. Right? You're changing the variables. And every day you stay, every minute you stay, you are changing the outcome of the summation of your life. That's right. And if you can string together, if you can get help, if you can rely on other people when you can't rely on yourself, or if you can just give it time, then I think by just inherent to the universe, the variables will change.
They change every month. They have changed because you took another minute. Right? Because you didn't quit today. So, yeah, I think it's it applies to many, many things in our lives.
[01:10:02] Unknown:
Right? Yeah. Absolutely. Alright. So history doesn't repeat itself. Humans repeat history, and I I have a comment about that. I have a old, I have an old, preacher friend who used to say, if there's anything that man doesn't learn from history, it's that man doesn't learn from history.
[01:10:19] Unknown:
I think that, yeah, I think that's very accurate. You know? I've I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to keep that one. Because it's you know, everybody would say, oh, history repeats itself. And I'm like, no. It doesn't. History doesn't repeat itself. You know, we just keep making the same stupid errors. We just keep doing the same stupid things. So we just keep making the same even if it's not ignorance or stupidity, we just keep Maybe it's because of things that happened to us long ago. Maybe it's events that have happened. Maybe people have been, untrustworthy. Maybe they've, you know, done things that would that have caused us to see the world differently.
But, you know, if you don't want history to repeat itself, the then don't repeat history. History just is what it is. Right? Like, the timeline just rolls on. Mhmm. And, you know, I think it's a cop out to say, well, it's history repeating itself. No. It's just you doing the same thing over and over again. Right? It's like, I I think it's just and for me, you know, this isn't about someone else. All of these were, like, things that I would look at personally. Right? So it's just like, you know, if my life is repeat like, some bad bad outcome is repeating in my life, it's not history repeating. You know, it's like face the music, Andy. You are repeating the same errors. You're getting the same outcome because you keep doing the same mistakes. You keep committing the same mistakes.
So it's just a reminder to myself to be to learn from my past errors and to take responsibility for not committing those same errors again. I'm gonna make plenty of other errors. Why keep making the ones I've already figured out? Why keep making those again? Like, make some new errors. Yeah. Yeah. That's the that's that's that's a good point.
[01:11:59] Unknown:
Let's see. The the necessity of perseverance.
[01:12:04] Unknown:
Yeah. What what good is everything else if you don't persevere? And it really kinda goes to the last one. Just to jump ahead a little bit about finishing. To me, you know, Paul said, I have finished the rest. I have fought the good fight. Mhmm. I I just think there is in every successful thing we see, if it's if it is in the Christian faith, it is that Christ went all the way to the end. Like, he did not give up before, his, you know, his his spirit left his earthly body. Like like, there's a there's a finishing. That's right. And to get to finishing, you have to persevere. That is the necessity of you don't get to finish if you don't persevere. So you gotta carry that cross and you gotta walk up that hill. Like, that's just the way it is, and you gotta persevere through that. Sometimes somebody will have to help you. You can't do it on your own. Great point. My goal is to finish.
Right? Like, I want to finish wherever that finish line is at. I don't wanna be waiting. I I don't wanna be trying. I wanna work to finish, and I wanna I wanna I wanna I wanna put focus on that. I want to finish this race. I don't know where it's gonna take me. I don't know what's gonna happen, but I want to finish. And the only way to do that and, yes, sometimes it's all uphill. And, yes, the cross is hard. And, yes, you're barefoot and the road is rocky. And, yes, you've been punched in the gut or punched about the head and face it literally or or metaphorically. And, you know, all those things occur.
But the necessity of perseverance is because if you don't persevere, you cannot finish. And I don't think I think it's one of the reasons why, you know, I think it has helped me in some very dark moments where I thought maybe I would just finish the race earlier. Mhmm. Right? Like, if you're if you're gonna terminate your own life, you're finishing the race before the end. Right. And and that to me flat that is against the necessity of perseverance. Right? Like, you you have to persevere to finish. And that's, you know, it's just again, in in in some really, really difficult situations, I want to be able to say, I have finished the race. I have I have I have ran the race hard. Mhmm. I never quit.
And this is the end. This is the point at which my body can no longer support my soul. But I don't wanna make that decision on my own early, and I don't wanna just be sitting around waiting for it to happen. You know, I asked my father one time before we didn't speak for a long time, long, long time. Actually, I didn't I mean, he passed away not too long ago, and we hadn't spoken in years. But I I asked him, his life kinda fell apart after my mother passed away. There were she was kinda like the tether that kept him, anchored. He'd had a terrible, terrible childhood and just some really awful things that happened to him.
Then he went to Vietnam and had some really bad experiences there. And, you know, it kind of it's never good when somebody wakes up screaming in the middle of the night speaking Vietnamese, you know, but it's thirty years later. And, but I asked him one time, I said, well, what do you wanna what do you wanna do? Because it'd been, like, ten years since my mother passed away. I said, what do you wanna do? And he said, Andy, the only thing I'm doing is waiting to be buried beside your mother. And I said, well, what happens if you live another twenty or thirty years? Like, then what are you gonna do?
And it turns out he lived about thirty years. Wow. And the whole time, he was just sitting around waiting to be buried. Like, all his decisions were about how am I gonna be buried beside, you know, my my wife that passed away. And so I think, you know, like, a lot of these things start to kinda meld together. They start to kinda build, like, a momentum of their own. Mhmm. When you start putting one, two, three of these concepts in action together. So, you know, had he not been waiting around, had he been working to build the next life, continue on with the life he had after my mother, had he had he not been religious about everything that was ever presented to him, and he had he realized that the the equation would you know, the variables in the equation would change.
And maybe he wouldn't have made the same mistakes over and over again that ultimately just kinda caused him to not persevere. You know? Right. So I I think they all kinda fit, together. I think the necessity of perseverance is that it is the foundation of all the other beliefs. The other ones don't make any they they don't they're not useful if you're not gonna persevere. Mhmm. Right? The the reason for the other ones is to help you persevere. For me, the reason for all the, you know, the other 13 before you get to perseverance, the reason for those beliefs is to help me persevere so I can do the fifteenth one, which is to finish.
[01:16:58] Unknown:
Which which makes total sense. And I was actually gonna ask you if, if when you I know you said you you did, like, five, and then you went to 10, and ultimately 15. But the way you have them broken down here, is that is this the order in which you came up with them, or did you rearrange them to get into that order?
[01:17:18] Unknown:
I mean, at one point, I kinda thought about, you know, they kinda they kinda build one on the other. You know, it's like, hey. The place you start out is don't think you can outrun the universe. You know? Like, be be be humble, accept where you are, deal with those things. And then, you know, you know, being being humble about it, and it will help you realize that there aren't any hard decisions that'll help you look better, or look more clearly about the consequences and not take the potential consequences and put them on the decision. You know, so certainly there are some that work. Like, perseverance always has to come before finishing. Right? Like, you have to persevere to finish.
But I think to me, yeah, that to me, I can make an argument that they make sense, you know, in my life, kind of in the order that they're in. But I have bounced around between all of them and picked you know, find myself in a situation where these three make perfect sense and the rest of them are, like, less useful at this moment,
[01:18:18] Unknown:
you know. And they and then and they may not be in order, you know. Gotcha. And I I like the fact that you used the analogy of a of a race, of running a race. Because as you as you read through these this list, and as we've been talking about it, one thing really kind of stuck with me. And and that is, nowhere in here do you really reference looking back. Everything seems to be going forward. And if you've ever run track, you've ever run races, or ever watched, like, the Olympics marathon races and and or sprints, whatever, or any kind of track and field, event, the one thing that's emphasized over and over and over again, while you're running that race, don't look back. Always keep your eyes focused on the end.
Yeah. You know? Yeah. Because when you look back, then you fall back.
[01:19:13] Unknown:
Yeah. And I think, you know, that that kinda goes to the one about, you know, always fall forward. Right? Like, keep your eyes toward the goal. And I, you know, I I had there was this lady that came to speak to a group that I was in, and she was it was a big group. It's like 20,000 people. It was a big sales meeting thing. And so they wanted to get somebody who was, you know, like, inspirational to speak. And, and and they had this lady that was, I don't know. I think there was a show called The Race. And so it was basically like these people who would do these massive, like, long overland races in teams of four. And, like, they would have these really long races, like, through the Andes to the end of Argentina kind of stuff.
And, or across the Sahara, you know, something like that. Right? And and so she had she had been on a team that had won, a few of these titles for, like, these really long distant, like, you know, like, month long races. You know? I can't remember the exact name of the show. I'm sure listeners will remind us what the name of it is. But, it was actually, it was created by the same guy who created Survivor. And she said that in this one race, they were in the lead. And so, they had they had they had to do this, like, spelunking thing in this cave. And so they had to climb up, like, they had to secure their ropes and then climb up this, like, 100 foot face and get to the top. And then there was a ledge. And when they when they they were way ahead of the team that was in second place, way ahead. So they got to the top, and they decided to rest for a few minutes.
And then they looked around, they looked down, and and they had just rested for a minute. And all of a sudden, this team comes, you know, comes running into the cave, and they are headed toward, you know, securing their ropes. And so they're like, oh, man, we gotta go. Like, we thought we had this big lead, now we don't. Mhmm. So they run out of the cave and they get to the next place. And the next place where, the race changes is they have to get in, this raft, these four man rafts and they have to raft down this river. Okay? And, you know, it's got white water and all that kind of stuff, rapids. But they get in, and now this this team that they thought they were significantly ahead of, they get in, the first team gets in their raft, and they're paddling.
And she is sitting, in the front pair, and the team leader is sitting in the back pair directly behind her. Right? Two two and two, four man team. And so they've only gotten, like, a 100 yards out down the river and, bam, team behind them hits the water. And she kept looking over her shoulder to see where they were. She's paddling, but she's looking over her shoulder to see where they were. And what she said next has never let like, I I just I remember where I was sitting, and I remember where I heard it, what she said. She said the team leader behind her, she looked behind. She was looking over her shoulder, and all she felt was his hands on both sides of her head.
And he forcefully turned her head back to the front, And he put his he put her his arm past her ear so that she could see his finger. And he said, winning is that way. And I thought, man, that's a strong story. And they ended up winning the race, but she never looked back from that moment forward because she's like, his words never left my ear. Like, he just, you know, he wasn't mad. He didn't yell or scream. He just he put his arm over her shoulder where she could see his finger out in front of him. And all he said was winning is that way. Right.
And I think that is finishing is that way.
[01:22:55] Unknown:
Amen. Amen. Alright. Well, Andy, thank you again for this. This was this was great. This was a blessing for me. Hope it was for anybody else too. But, so what's next for you? What's on the horizon?
[01:23:08] Unknown:
Doing, you know, just sharing with people the stories and, doing some, you know, I got a full time job. I do this, do some of these kind of interviews, you know, some to share the story on different topics, whether it's cancer or, childhood sexual abuse or, suicide. And, you know, in the hopes of helping one person not quit, you know, at least sharing the story and being transparent about it. So someone will think, well, that you know, he's been through a couple things and he didn't quit. Maybe I can make it one more day. Yeah. And, and doing some speaking engagements around, you know, encouragement
[01:23:47] Unknown:
and and the 15 core beliefs. Alright. And where can we get your book?
[01:23:51] Unknown:
You know, the easiest place it's on Amazon. But the easiest place is just go to my website, askindycampbell.com. You can, find a link to the book there and, you know, sign up for, for email list and that kind of stuff. But, yeah, you can find it there. You can also if you go to Amazon, you can search on the main search bar if you search for Andy Campbell. I'm the second one. Okay. I'm just I'm just beneath, yeah, I'm the second one. You'll know why I say the second one when you see the first one. I'm not the first Andy Campbell. I'm the second Andy Campbell. Okay. So now I'm curious. I'm gonna have to Yeah. But it but it's, it's probably just easier to go to my site and and take the link there. It'll take you straight to,
[01:24:30] Unknown:
straight to the Amazon site. Alright. Outstanding. And I'll make sure that we have all that information available in the show notes, like, like, just like we did the last time. And, we'll we'll steer the traffic over your way. Alright. Andy, thank you again so much for for joining us and for being with us. And God bless you, and I look forward to talking to you soon.
[01:24:48] Unknown:
Thanks again, man. Much of gratitude for the opportunity to share time with you. Anytime, brother. Anytime. You take care. Bye bye. Alright. Bye.
[01:24:56] Unknown:
Alright, folks. Well, Andy Campbell. I hope you guys found that to be really interesting, and and those 15 core beliefs. I'm I'm telling you, as you go through them, you know, try to put yourself into that. Try to put yourself into those core beliefs right there, and you're gonna see exactly how it applies to you in every situation that you're gonna come across in your life. And it's it's a great great list. It's a great set of beliefs to follow, and I think you should really check them out. Alright. So here's what we're gonna do. We are going to take a short break here, and then, when we come back from the break, we're gonna get into some of the news for the day. And, this will give me a chance to get some coffee, use the restroom, and and all that great stuff. Alright, folks. So, to the folks that are watching right now on YouTube, Twitch, Facebook, and x, this is where we are gonna part our ways, and, we will see you guys. Hopefully, you'll you'll make the transition over to Rumble and join us over there. That's, that's where we wanna be. That's where that's where we're gonna do, the the rest of the live show. And don't forget, folks, this is a live show weeknight 7PM, Sundays at 6PM.
And, we look forward to, following you along, having you guys follow us along on this, on this trip and this journey that we're making through the through the world and through the news and all that great stuff. Alright. So having said all that, we'll be back right after this. This is Joe Russo. Don't forget to like, subscribe, share the show with all of your friends, your family, and your followers. And like I said to the folks over on YouTube, Twitch, X, and Facebook, go to your App Store, download the Rumble app. It's free. Sign up. It's free. Follow the show. It's free. And, we will talk to you guys, tomorrow night. We have another guest, mister Whiskey. It's gonna be a lot of fun. Alright? So take care, folks.
Alright. To, to our Rumble family, again, we're gonna take our break here. And when we come back, we'll get into the, news of the day. Very important stuff. We're not gonna keep you too long though. Okay. We'll be right back. Stay with us. Alright, folks. Hey. Welcome back to the Joe Ruse Show. My name is Joe Ruse, and it is great to be with you. Hope you guys enjoyed Andy Campbell. It's our first actual ever return guest and has a lot of fun and enjoyed that conversation. And like I said, if you take those 15 core principles, you apply them to your life, you will find that they work.
Alright. So something you need to take a look at at some point. Alright. So, we have some very interesting things to talk about, right now. So, you guys know over the weekend, Saturday, there were strikes made, air strikes by the, by The United States against some strategic and tactical nuclear facilities and locations in Iran. And, of course, you know, and I'm I'll I'm gonna be very honest about it and very direct about it, and I have been in the past, and I'm gonna continue on. I did not agree that The United States should be involved in this in any way. And I understand the arguments being made on on all sides.
You know, Iran could have had possession of a nuclear weapon that could have reached Mainland United States or it could have affected, American interests in the region. It could have possibly taken out, Israel or it could have been any number of, things. However, the we The United States did not initiate the conflict, that was done by Israel. And I I've said it many times, and I'm gonna continue to say it, that, we should not have been involved in this. This is Israel's fight. We do not have a dog in this fight. But but I trust my president.
You know, I think Donald Trump is probably the best, greatest president that this country has had in modern history. I fully support the president. I fully support him on everything he's doing both, domestically, fiscally. I think his foreign policy has been solid and and and and and direct and right on. I just don't I just didn't agree with this. I was looking at it as seeing another forever war, another involvement in a fight that, again, that's not ours. And that's okay. We can disagree. You know, we're not a we're not a mindless cult. You know, folks of a the folk folks like us, like myself, that consider themselves to be MAGA, that consider ourselves to be, conservative and and a a supporter of the president.
You know, we're not in a cult. We're not like the Democrats. We're not, you know, where we walk lockstep with whatever the party says is is what the what we do. We are free thinkers, and we will have disagreements. And having a disagreement does not mean that the president has lost my support, he has not. That does not mean that we, you know, we've we've turned our back on MAGA. It absolutely does not. I just don't see how our involvement or I didn't see how our involvement was putting America first. But again, like I said, he is my president. I voted for him. I voted for him twice.
And if I had the opportunity to vote for him again, I absolutely would. You know, our system of government doesn't allow that, but if it did, I would definitely vote for him again. So on Saturday, well, we'll backtrack that a little bit. The administration gave Iran sixty days to, to to come to the table and make a deal. They didn't do it. They basically told The United States to, you know, screw it. Screw you. And, they didn't do it. President Trump warned them that they're not gonna be happy with the, the results of not coming to the table and making a deal, over their nuclear, capabilities.
And on the sixty first day, Israel struck Iran, very effectively, I I will add. Now, our role in this, and the president had said that, you know, he wasn't looking for a long term engagement. He wasn't looking for any boots on the ground. He wasn't looking to have an endless war. It was gonna be quick, decisive, but quick. And then he said that, he was he he was gonna make his decision. He approved the, the strike plan. He everything was in in ready to go. And then he said that he was gonna it was gonna be sometime within the next two weeks. Well, the next two weeks actually turned out to be two days, and he and, he gave the okay, he gave the authorization, gave the go ahead, the green light, however you wanna put it, to, to conduct the air strikes on Saturday.
And, it was, you know, I was surprised when I, when I heard about it. But, again, I support my president. And if this is the decision that he came to based on whatever intelligence that, they had been given, and he felt that this was something that was that needed to be done, for the safety and security of of The United States, I'm gonna support them. I am incredibly thankful that there were no lives lost, that our our planes returned home safely, our pilots returned home safely. And then, of course, you know, the worry and the concern comes up with retaliatory strikes.
Retaliatory strikes, you know, again, I'm sure the president had intelligence and he had information that was not made public. I'm I'm pretty I'm pretty sure of that. But, of course, the concern goes out of of, retaliatory strikes in in the region. And what was more scary was the idea of the activation of sleeper cells here in The United States. Now remember, under the previous administration, you had over 20,000,000 people cross into this country illegally. A lot of them were god aways. A lot of them and if you remember, if you saw the videos and the pictures of those folks that were coming across the border, you saw that the majority of them were, military aged young men from The Middle East, from China, from Haiti, from, you know, all over the world.
How many of them are Iranian agents. I'm trying to think of the right word. How many of them are Iranian agents? How many of them are part of a terrorist cell that is now set up around the country? I mean, we knew they were here. They've been here for a while, but how many more are here now? And then, of course, on Sunday, you had the attack in Minnesota at, at a church, or is it Michigan? It was Michigan. In Michigan. At the church where someone got in someone came into the church and, opened fire and was summarily dispatched by a deacon of the church and a, a gentleman exercising his second amendment privileges and rights.
Is that part of some terror network? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know yet. I'll be honest with you. I wasn't planning on even bringing it up because I'm not up to speed on the whole thing, but it came out. So there were a lot of things that that had been swirling around since the since since the attack. And so I'm gonna go back in time just a little bit. I'm gonna play for you just a couple of, couple of things. This is from, the this is from Saturday night. This is, the president addressing the nation.
[01:40:49] Unknown:
A short time ago, the US military carried out massive precision strikes on the three key nuclear facilities in the Iranian regime, Fordeaux, Natanz, and Esfahan. Everybody heard those names for years as they built this horribly destructive enterprise. Our objective was the destruction of Iran's nuclear enrichment capacity and a stop to the nuclear threat posed by the world's number one state sponsor of terror. Tonight, I can report to the world that the strikes were a spectacular military success. Iran's key nuclear enrichment facilities have been completely and totally obliterated.
Iran, the bully of the Middle East, must now make peace. If they do not, future attacks will be far greater and a lot easier. For forty years, Iran has been saying death to America, death to Israel. They have been killing our people, blowing off their arms, blowing off their legs with roadside bombs. That was their specialty. We lost over a thousand people, and hundreds of thousands throughout the Middle East and around the world have died as a direct result of their hate. In particular, so many were killed by their general, Qasem Soleimani.
I decided a long time ago that I would not let this happen. It will not continue. I want to thank and congratulate prime minister Bibi Netanyahu. We worked as a team like perhaps no team has ever worked before, and we've gone a long way to erasing this horrible threat to Israel. I want to thank the Israeli military for the wonderful job they've done. And most importantly, I want to congratulate the great American patriots who flew those magnificent machines tonight, and all of the United States military on an operation the likes of which the world has not seen in many, many decades. Hopefully, we will no longer need their services in this capacity.
I hope that so. I also want to congratulate the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, general Dan Raising Caine, spectacular general, and all of the brilliant military minds involved in this attack. With all of that being said, this cannot continue. There will be either peace or there will be tragedy for Iran far greater than we have witnessed over the last eight days. Remember, there are many targets left. Tonight's was the most difficult of them all by far and perhaps the most lethal. But if peace does not come quickly, we will go after those other targets with precision, speed, and skill.
Most of them can be taken out in a matter of minutes. There's no military in the world that could have done what we did tonight, not even close. There has never been a military that could do what took place just a little while ago. Tomorrow, General Cain, secretary of defense, Pete Hegseth will have a press conference at 8AM at the Pentagon. And I wanna just thank everybody and in particular, God, I want to just say we love you God and we love our great military. Protect them. God bless the Middle East. God bless Israel and God bless America. Thank you very much. Thank you.
[01:44:25] Unknown:
So the president giving, the, the rundown of the, days activities. And, what I found particularly interesting in that whole thing was, and I've heard other people comment on this, specifically mentioning that, specifically mentioning, Pete Hegseth, Marco Rubio, and JD Vance in the background, as flanking him. And, I just wanna say what an incredible projection of power right there. Some people commented that they looked sick to their stomachs, they looked, you know, unhappy, they did did not look like they really wanted to be there. Perhaps in some circumstances, they didn't wanna be there under that particular circumstance, of course. But but just looking at that that scene right there, that was a projection of power.
President Trump, secretary of defense, HECSeth, secretary of state, Rubio, and the vice president, JD Vance. Another thing that I that I caught very interesting in that is when president Trump thanked God. I don't know if you caught it, and I I don't have the abilities to just isolate that one spot without having to go through the the entire clip again. But when he mentioned God, his voice cracked. That was from the heart. That was from the heart. That wasn't a prepared comment, or may have been a prepared comment, but it it affected him. And when I heard that, it it it affected me too. I I you know, president Trump's heart is in the right place.
This isn't a decision that he made lightly. This is not a decision that he really wanted to make, but one that had to be made. And what I also found interesting is, you know, when when when president Trump says he's gonna do something, he's gonna do it. And this was an absolute clear message to anybody in opposition to The United States that, this administration is not gonna be played with. President Trump talked frequently on the campaign about peace through strength. Peace through strength. And I think what he did yesterday, Saturday in ordering these strikes was a clear demonstration of peace through strength.
He put on display what the what the American military is capable of. Oh, you know, another interesting thing that did just kinda crossed my mind. Did you notice though there were no leaks? These plans didn't get out, and because of that, no American lives were lost, and it caught the Iranians completely off guard. Again, I I don't think that this is something that we should have been involved in in the first place, but unfortunately, we were. I stand by my president. I support him and everything he did, and I'm thankful, very, very thankful that it went well.
Now the president also, sent out a flurry of of, of posts on truth, today, yesterday, rather. So this was, this was after the, after the bombing took place as monumental damage was done to all nuclear sites in Iran as shown by satellite images. Obliteration is the accurate term. The white structure shown is deeply embedded into the rock even with it with even its roof well below ground level and completely shielded from from flame. The biggest damage took place far below ground level bullseye. And then he also, he also sent out a message.
And look, I I've I've been a critic on this too. I mean, ultimately, this has to do with regime change. And I've said that, and, you know, it's been said all across alternative media. It's been said direct indirectly by, the the Israeli government and and and our own government that that a lot of this has to do with regime change. President Trump sent this out, yesterday as well. It's not politically correct to use the term regime change, but if the current Iranian regime is unable to make Iran great again, why wouldn't there be a regime change? MIGA, m I g a. Now some people have said it's make Israel great again, and then some to say make Iran great again. I I I tend to lean on make Iran great again because that's the context of the message of the post.
If there is gonna be regime change, it it has to be done by the people of Iran. They have to be the ones to make that decision. I hope they do, but I don't think that it should be done militarily by, by The United States anyway. Now having said all that, then before I move on, I forgot about this one. And then, president sent out this. And this was, early this morning. Did I hear former president Medvedev from Russia casually throwing around the n word nuclear and saying that he and other countries would supply nuclear warheads to Iran? Did he really say that or is it just a figment of my imagination if he did say that? And if confirmed, please let me know immediately.
The n word, nuclear, should not be treated so casually. I guess that's why Putin's the boss. I guess that's why Putin's the boss. By the way, if anyone thinks our hardware was great over the weekend, far and away the strongest and best equipment we have, twenty years advanced over the pack, is our nuclear submarines. They are the most powerful and lethal weapons ever built, and they just launched 30 Tomahawks. All 30 hit their mark perfectly. So in addition to our great fighter pilots, thank you to the captain and the crew. Alright. Now, the reason why the president mentioned the submarines and what they were capable of is in response to what Medvedev said about supplying nuclear weapons to Iran.
I don't think that's gonna happen. The the I know that there were some some, governments had indicated that they were going to, explore that, like North Korea, I think Turkey as well, and Medvedev from Russia. But Putin himself said that he has no he has no interest in in getting involved in this. He said that there are over 2,000,000, Russians living in that region in that area, and he's not gonna do anything that's gonna put them in harm's way. So, so I I I don't I don't see that as something that's going to, that that would happen. Well, today, pretty much expected. I mean, because, you know, they did, you know, if if you get punched, you're expected to punch back, and so they did.
Iran today launched an attack against, the, the, the military installation in Qatar, which really, they launched 10, 10 missiles, and I think they were all destroyed and one flew out into the ocean. But this was on, Real America Voice today, on Iran's response.
[01:53:38] Unknown:
I don't think that the president of The United States wants to get involved with the regime change. He mentioned it in in a truth social post, but really I don't think that that's the job we're in. We've seen how that works out in Iraq. We've seen how that works out in Afghanistan, and the American people have no appetite for it. Having said that, I believe that they're completely in support of destroying a a country's nuclear capabilities that would have been targeting us, our homeland. What do you make of this? Is as far as destroying their nuclear capabilities? And when president Trump says something, apparently, he means it.
[01:54:11] Unknown:
Oh, you're absolutely right. And, you know, 1979, I was just a freshman at University of Tennessee when, the the whole thing, the Iranian episode in this chapter got started. And let's not forget October the twenty third of nineteen eighty three when Hezbollah, backed by Iran, killed 234 marines, sailors, and soldiers there in the Beirut barracks bombing. And the explosive force penetrators that Iran introduced into the battlefield on in Iraq and also in Afghanistan. So they have been targeting and killing Americans, like you said, for some forty six years. So it's about time that we got away from the feckless leadership that we saw from Jimmy Carter, from Barack Obama, and also from Joe Biden to once again understanding Ronald Reagan's peace through strength because the last president to take on Iran was Ronald Reagan, Operation Prem Mattis in 1988. Regime change is not our business. That's the business of the Iranian people, but I do find it very interesting that the Israeli Air Force went after the command and control headquarters of the military unit that is in charge of putting down domestic insurrections and, uprisings.
So I think that, the conditions are being set for the Iranian people to do what they feel is necessary for their liberty and freedom.
[01:55:24] Unknown:
Which is exactly what I said. It's up to the Iranian people to do this, not The United States. And then, another response, same the same panel in, let's go to this clip here.
[01:55:41] Unknown:
Well, I'm gonna start with you today because I want you to outline what was a remarkable mission. We've been talking about it at length. Thirty seven hours round trip for these b two bombers from Wyman Air Force Base in Missouri all the way over and back. As many as a 125, maybe more, Air Force planes involved in this incredible operation. It was incredibly precise, and there were no leaks about it ahead of time. That's what's remarkable to me, sir. Describe this mission the way you saw it.
[01:56:12] Unknown:
Well, you know, it's an amazing feat, and what the Air Force can do is, is incredible. The logistics involved in, performing that was was incredible, and the deception that we that we, that we did, going, you know, from the East to the West and, you know, putting bombs on target, all without having the land, all with air refueling. So the whole the entire leg of the operation for all that air refueling had to be coordinated. So it's a it's a great deal of effort to get all those people involved, and to maintain the classification. So, it's incredible.
Some great patriots,
[01:56:53] Unknown:
and all I'm sure all the services were involved in that entire operation. Yeah. Yeah. A remarkable undertaking to say the least. Also joining us today, bringing to your general, former commander of the West Virginia Air National Guard, Chris Walker. General Walker, welcome you to the conversation now as well, because I want to hear from you. You are somebody who has, lived and breathed the Air Force, and to watch this unfold, to see how this came together, how coordinated, refueling, other f 30 fives and f 20 twos running, as blockers, if you will, for the b twos that went longer than I can even imagine. Thirty seven hours in the air, general. This is a remarkable achievement, isn't it?
[01:57:41] Unknown:
It's what we would call a football game. We had the blockers and tacklers. We had the quarterbacks. We had the receivers. Well, Iran was the receivers, and they didn't like, getting that ball. But nevertheless, that's how we do it. That's how we train, and that's how we get things done. And I have to give some props to the Israeli Air Force for also softening the battlefield and taking out a lot of the air defense artillery.
[01:58:10] Unknown:
Yeah. Also joining me, Lieutenant Colonel Allen West, I mentioned a moment ago. Colonel, I mean, when you saw this happening and you realize what we were pulling off, and then to hear that they made it all the way in and out would be and being completely undetected. A satellite imagery coming out now. It looks like the the infliction of damage in Iran is it's significant. If it's not something that ends their nuclear program altogether, it sure sets it back for a couple of years anyhow. How did you see it?
[01:58:40] Unknown:
Well, first of all, you have to give a lot of credit to the, Israeli intelligence service, the Mossad, to be able to give us the, granularity that we have without a doubt on the ground. I think another thing that, as the general alluded to, the fact that the once, touted venerable s 300 surface to air missile systems were completely decimated and destroyed. We had not just air superiority and air supremacy, we had air dominance over Iran going in. And I think that's something that, shows the an incredible cooperation between the IDF, their air force, and also ours to be able to go in. But without a doubt, this was an incredibly, precision attack. And I think the thing that the American people need to be very happy about is we knew what the end state was, and it was about taking out the Iranian nuclear capability and capacity, and that's exactly what it was accomplished.
[01:59:33] Unknown:
And then today, like I said, the, Iran's government launched a missile strike at, at, US military installation in in Qatar. This very much reminded me of what happened in 2020 when, when the Trump administration then took out, the, Iranian general Soleimani. Iran notified the White House that they were going to retaliate and, that, they were gonna do it in a way that there wasn't gonna be any any injuries or fatalities, and they launched these missiles over into the desert. And, you know, they got they got a response. So and they, you know, saved face to, you know, their people.
Well, something very similar happened today. The Iranians let let us know that they were going to be launching a strike and, a retaliatory strike, and, they launched, I think it was 10 or so missiles, and which were all destroyed. And I think one, like I said earlier, slammed into the ocean instead. Alright. And there were no fatalities, no injuries, no Americans were hurt in any way, no Qataris were hurt in any way, And, this was, president Trump's message today. Iran has officially responded to our obliteration of their nuclear facilities with a very weak response, which we expected, and have very effectively countered. There were 14 missiles. Okay. I was wrong.
There have been 14 missiles fired, 13 were knocked down, one was set free because it was headed into a non threatening direction. I'm pleased to report that no Americans were harmed and hardly any damage was done. Most importantly, they've gotten it all out of their system and will hopefully, and there will be no and there will hopefully be no further hate. I wanna thank Iran for giving us early notice, which made it possible for no lives to be lost and nobody to be injured. Perhaps Iran can now proceed to peace and harmony in the region, and I will enthusiastically encourage Israel to do the same. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Donald j Trump, president of The United States Of America.
And then later, he went and continued to post, I'd like to thank the highly respected Emir of Qatar for all he has done in seeking peace in the region. Regarding the attack today at the American base in Qatar, I am pleased to report that in addition to no Americans being killed or wounded, very importantly, there have been also no Qataris killed or wounded. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Well, the, Israelis, of course, continued to, to strike even though president Trump has just communicated that it's time for peace. So which is really frustrating, you know, which is, you know, now is it okay. It's it's done.
If if the whole thing was about their nuclear capabilities that's been effectively eliminated at this point or at least greatly, greatly set back. Why are they continuing to strike? So, of course, that puts a lot of things into, you know, on edge. And, let me see where do I wanna go here. President Trump then also posted this message, congratulations world. It's time for peace. That was, shortly after he posted about, Iran's retaliatory strike. And then we got some really good news. Some really good news. The president sent out this message.
Congratulations to everyone. It has been fully agreed by and between Israel and Iran that there will be a complete and total ceasefire in approximately six hours from now when Israel and Iran have wound down and completed their their in progress final missions. For twelve hours, at which point, the war will be considered ended. Officially, Iran will start the ceasefire, and upon the twelfth hour, Israel will start the ceasefire, And upon the twenty fourth hour, an official end to the twelve day war will be saluted by the world. During each ceasefire, the other side will remain peaceful and respectful on the assumption that everything works as it should, which it will. I would like to congratulate both countries, Israel and Iran, on having the stamina, courage, and intelligence to end what should be called the twelve day war. This is a war that could have gone on for years and destroyed the entire Middle East, but it didn't and never will. God bless Israel. God bless Iran. God bless the Middle East. God bless The United States Of America. And God bless the world, Donald j Trump, president of The United States Of America.
And, probably the best thing was that, JD JD Vance was actually a was actually on his way to, a sit down with Brett Baer when the news came out, and, this is that clip.
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Seconds ago, the president went to Truth Social and typed this. It has been fully agreed by and between Israel and Iran that there will be a complete and total ceasefire. Complete and total ceasefire is what he typed. Yep.
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What does that mean? How did it come about? What's the development there? Well, we were actually working on that just as I left the White House to come over here. So that's good news that the president was able to get that across the finish line. I think what it means, Brett, is quite simple. First of all, the president without knock on wood, having a single American casualty obliterated the Iranian nuclear program. We are now in a place where we weren't a week ago. Week ago, Iran was very close to having a nuclear weapon. Now Iran is incapable of building a nuclear weapon with the equipment they have because we destroyed it. So that's a very, very big thing. Now what that means, I think, is we have to talk to Iran and, of course, to Israel about what the future holds. Because while we have obliterated the Iranian nuclear program, our hope and our expectation is that they're not gonna try to rebuild that program. And I think that's what the president is really trying to figure out here is to build a long term settlement here to where we can have peace in the region, where our regional allies and, of course, the American people most importantly can be secured, but where we can ensure that the destruction of the Iranian nuclear program that has already happened is not something they try to rebuild.
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Which of course is is is the end goal. Right? If you wanna separate it from regime change, which again, really has to be on the on the Iranian people people, not another country, not United States, not Israel. It has to be their decision. Alright. And then, the vice president also went on to talk about hitting a reset.
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When I left the White House, I thought that we might be able to get it across the finish line before this broadcast, and it looks like the president has been able to do that. I mean, look, he's been working the phones constantly. Frankly, before the twelve day war started, but certainly over the past twelve days, the president's been extremely clear about America's national objective here. It is to create a world where Iran cannot build a nuclear weapon. We, of course, destroyed the nuclear program that they had, and the president told the entire team we're gonna work to make sure that they don't try to rebuild that nuclear capability in the future. And it's look. This is a great thing. For Israel, think about this. They've accomplished an important military objective. They've helped us destroy the Iranian nuclear program. They've also destroyed the conventional missile capability of Iran that threatened the country of Israel. For the Iranians, I think this is a new opportunity to actually pursue the path of peace. As I said yesterday, what the Iranians have showed through their support of terror networks, through their now failed effort to build a nuclear weapon, is that they're just not very good at war. And I think the president really hit the reset button and said, look, let's actually produce long term peace for the region. That's always been his goal. I actually think when we look back, we will say the twelve day war was an important reset moment for the entire region.
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And I totally agree. And I hope that this is the end of it. I hope there's not gonna be anything else that comes up. I'm hoping that both sides be able to keep this, ceasefire into a permanent peace and a permanent truce, and, we don't have to worry about, sleeper cell activities here in The United States. So let's, let's let's keep that in prayer. Let's let's go to the Lord for that. And, you know, just thank God that this is, at least for the moment, done. Alright, folks. So we're gonna we're gonna call it quits here tonight. Don't forget tomorrow, we have another guest on the show tomorrow, the first hour. We bring a guest, his name is, he goes by the name of Mr. Whiskey. So that should be an interesting conversation. Looking forward to it, And, hopefully, you'll be able to join us. Alright. Well, with that said, shout outs to our executive producers, Wayne and Rosanna Rankin, and to our producer, anonymous Angela.
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