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In this thought-provoking episode of the No Pill Podcast, we delve into the intricate connections between politics, theology, and the pervasive influence of sin in our society. We explore the controversial topics of AI's impact on cognitive functions, the ethical implications of gene therapy, and the unsettling truths behind vaccine development. Through a critical lens, we examine the role of deception and control in modern education and healthcare, questioning the narratives that shape our understanding of these fields.

We also take a deep dive into the theological perspectives that challenge conventional beliefs about salvation and the nature of evil. Drawing from early Christian teachings, we discuss the concept of spiritual warfare and the dominion of Satan in the world, contrasting it with modern interpretations of atonement and salvation. This episode invites listeners to reconsider the spiritual and moral dimensions of contemporary issues, urging a return to foundational truths and a deeper understanding of the spiritual battles that influence our lives.

[00:00:48] Andrew Hoffman:

Hello, everybody. Welcome to episode 16 of the No Pill Podcast.   We're gonna call this one the political power of sin,   the reason the friends of Epstein are servants of Satan. And that will   ring some bells for for those of you that came over from the Revelations Radio News Days.   And,   we're   we're trying to tie some seemingly   disparate things together in this episode.   I do have a, I guess, a a political theory,   to expound, a political slash theological theory,   to put out there at the end of the episode.   Hopefully, it   you know, the the dots along the way connect, and it it all makes sense at at the end.  

But if you're if you're a little bit lost, hopefully, I can, you know, wrap it up at the end in a way that makes sense. So,   it's it's been a little while. Today is, what is it, the July   5?   So just after Independence Day,   which here in Oklahoma was a a good time. Time. A little further south in Texas,   was a a really tragic Independence Day for those,   dealing with the the floods and and what have you down there. I'm not gonna   I don't have too many stories   on that.   I would all be speculative   on, you know, is this just a natural occurrence? It is areas that have had flooding before.   Is it weather weapons?  

I really don't know one way or the other, but I know it's it's certainly tragic for   for people that lost,   lost little girls and and others in in those floods. So,   definitely be be praying for them.   And,   as far as what we will be talking about in this episode,   it's kinda some stuff that will will probably be relevant for quite a while. So if you're listening to this   this at a future date,   probably stuff still going on.   I've I've been meaning to   talk about some of these articles for a long time,   in the Revelations Radio News   Telegram group.  

Eric has   has faithfully   put stuff in there for me to to talk about the podcast   and,   you know,   great stuff, and I I usually manage to put out an episode and forget to look at it.   So thank you, Eric, for that.   We do have them in the in the show notes today, and we'll we'll talk a little bit about it.   One of the Eric articles,   chat GPT's impact on our brains according to an MIT study,   And I'll you know, who wants to read a whole article? So we'll just summarize it here.   Yes. If you sit down and to write an essay, if you use chatGPT,   you're not activating   activating the parts of your brain that you would normally have to activate in order to write an essay.  

I   don't really need to   to have MIT to tell me that.   It all makes sense.   We've just got a a new   era   of,   of, you know, cheating, a new era of cheating in school,   instead of copy pasting something from a   an actual human author,   which is   generally pretty easy to spot for for teachers and professors.   Now it's a ChatGPT   written essay,   which may be copy and pasted, which   at this point, may even be easier to spot. I mean, it's very distinctive,   the actual writing style. So I I don't recommend   using ChatGPT   for your schoolwork.   But if you are, just know that your brain is not not working the same way that it's designed to   in a actual literate society where we read and write and and have   used words   to communicate ideas rather than just images.  

And AI is just kind of the   the newest,   degradation   of that process. You know? We've   we've talked about that before.   We've   gone from a a world that read and could   sit and listen to two people debate for three hours, and that was a presidential debate. And now we've got, you   know, just warring sound bites and images and,   just very   short,   unintelligent   snippets, and   all of that has happened by design. And that's   designed to control people, and   we will talk we'll connect that back at the end there.   Another story from Eric,   this product called Sarepta,   They make gene therapy, the wonderful gene therapy. This is not   one of the more well known ones,   but it should theoretically   be an easier   mRNA therapy   to have work.  

And what they've   found as they're doing testing is, it's killing people with liver failure, so not not great.   We'll just kinda you you probably didn't hear about that, and it's a Reuters story.   Unless you're an investor in the   stock paying attention, we don't need to talk about that. Let's   we'll just ignore the continual   failure of these mRNA products   and just believe that it's gonna start working better someday.   And   that actually does relate back to the AI because   in a similar way, it's always the promise of what's coming and and also the   kind of   the the promise of what's coming from the people hyping it, but also the fear of what's coming from the people saying AI is gonna take over everything and and what have you. Like, it doesn't work now, but the idea is, well, what if it keeps getting better and and starts working better?  

Well,   I'll I'll believe it when I see it. I'd I haven't seen it yet. So   and with mRNA,   there are   actual reasons why   none of this stuff will work.   And the main reason is that   genetics does not equal   computer software code. It just doesn't.   We've talked about this on the the podcast previously,   the kind of   Watson and Crick   version of genes, and, this gene   translates into,   you know, this problem   later in life. And this is a cancer gene, and that's a, you know,   whatever, an autism gene.   All this is is how it was presented, and the Human Genome Project was supposed to find all these genes,   never did,   because that's not how   the human body actually works.  

But their excuse is, oh, we just need to spend more money, study it more. Spend more money,   do more research. It's just, you know,   we're we're still looking for those pesky genes even though we supposedly   mapped out the entire human genome.   So that's a good article. You're welcome to check that out as well.   And,   from NPR, good old NPR, a promising genetic treatment tailor made for a baby born with a rare disorder. So this is the CRISPR   gene editing. And look at this. We can   we can make look at this cute little baby with this   this terrible,   sickle cell disease, or let's see what what does this particular child have.  

I'll read a little bit of it. For the first time, doctors have treated a baby born with a rare life threatening genetic disorder with the gene editing therapy scientists tailored to specifically repair his unique mutation.   The baby received three infusions containing billions of microscopic gene editors that homed in on a mutation   in his liver and appeared to have corrected his defect. Doctors need to follow the boy longer to determine how well the treatment is working, but so far, the bespoke therapy appears to have at least partially reversed his condition, reducing his risk of suffering brain damage damage and even death. It's really exciting, said doctor Rebecca Arens Nicholas, an assistant professor of   pediatrics and genetics at the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia   and University of Pennsylvania who treated the child. He's a pioneer.  

This shows the potential that we can really open the door for these transformative treatments for patients who have who really have no other options.   It's sort of limitless   in terms of what the possibilities   are. Okay.   So   they'd   okay. They   very interested. Very few details on, okay, what was the genetic defect and what,   you know, what did they actually fix?   Basically,   at this point, the the baby has   has survived the treatment, the initial treatment. That's all that we know actually know so far despite the the hype from NPR.   So,   yeah, maybe maybe not so promising.  

Let's go   so this this whole the CRISPR gene editing thing   that Human Genome Project has been going on for a long time,   never I mean, we we talked about it in the context of Moderna,   you know, being this big hype company that never delivered and was basically on its way to bankruptcy until wow.   Look at   that. COVID happened, and we just happen to have a COVID vaccine already, you know, already in the hopper for it. And   and, yeah, never mind. We won't won't worry about the   toxicity   and the issues with that'll come out in testing because we'll just kinda skip the testing part and just give it to everybody because it it's an emergency, and then we'll we'll claim it safe.   And I did not throw a clip in there.  

I should put it in the in the show notes, but   James Corbett had a an episode a couple weeks ago   with a gal who worked in medical coding,   and she talked about how there was literally   no code for vaccine caused death   for the from the COVID vaccine,   which is really genius if you think about it. So and then she said that was the case case for over a year from the from when the vaccines rolled out until there was actually a code for, you know, oh, the vaccine killed this person.   Because it   it it's kind of like a a way of controlling language. You know? If you don't have a word for something, it's very,   very difficult to convey it.  

So the WHO   slash, you know,   all the   CDC, all the American versions of the the WHO there,   the medical codes,   you can only put something that exists that is available. So,   if   vaccine caused death does not exist, you can't code it as such,   then you can turn around and point to the fact that there's   no one that was coded by a hospital as having died of the COVID vaccine as evidence for the safety of the COVID vaccine.   It's some some evil genius   at some level there. So,   that's   a little bit that's related, but a little bit off track here.   Let's talk about   oh, boy.  

Let's let's play   doctor Suzanne Humphreys.   She had   she was on Rogan a while back, did a great job   there,   and she   did a children's health defense interview, and this they put out a a clip from that.   No such thing as a safe vaccine, so let's play that clip first.  

[00:13:17] Unknown:

My current opinion about vaccinations is that they have never been safe.   Never has there been a safe vaccine.   Never will there be a safe vaccine, and it is not possible to have a safe vaccine.   The reasoning for that is that the the actual   process of vaccination   defies the natural function of the immune system   of living beings.   It thwarts the immune system into a balance that's very unnatural and that leaves it susceptible to,   more things   than just what you've maybe vaccinated   supposedly for. Putting a disease matter into a body and thinking,   that the manner of which it's going in, I e usually through a muscle, through the skin using a very,   unnatural   thing, a needle   combined with all the chemicals and antibiotics   and   things that   the manufacturing companies may not even know about at the time that they're being injected into a muscle. There's no possible way that that can be safe.  

Now when you're bypassing the normal immune system by putting this disease matter into a muscle,   you are stimulating   yet another abnormal response   at the site of the injection,   pooling of all sorts of metals and things that call in the,   immune cells in this very unnatural way.   And the result that these manufacturers   or designers of vaccines often look for is simply an antibody, which is one small thing in the,   cascade of immunity.  

[00:14:58] Andrew Hoffman:

Inject some poison,   The body reacts   in part by creating antibodies.   Point to the antibodies. Look. There's immunity.   So there's no no actual evidence of,   hey. This prevents the disease we're vaccinating against.   Because, again, like we've what we've talked about before,   that same disease shows up, and you just call it something else. Well, are you vaccinated? Okay. Well, it can't be that because you were vaccinated against it. So it's just, it's a polio like illness. You know? It's a   it's, oh, it's something else that we we know   you don't have because we vaccinated you for it and vice versa.  

Same exact symptoms.   Oh, you're unvaccinated?   Well, you have   look at you. You've got you've got mumps. You've got measles. You've got rubella or what whatever it is.   So the   there is,   you know, the those shenanigans   going on as as far as   just naming things differently. And like we talked about,   well, if there's no code for vaccine caused   death, then no one died from the vaccine, did they? At least not in in the bureaucratic sense.   So we've got   we've got that going on, but it it gets even darker. So she's a 100% right.   No safe vaccines.  

Doesn't matter if they're the old school vaccines, the m   mRNA vaccines.   None of them are safe. None of them are effective either,   and this is   very importantly relevant now.   So during the COVID vaccine era   I thought what they were   angling towards   is okay we're   we know people are upset about the COVID vaccine, the mRNA vaccine, so we're going to try and save   the whole vaccine program   by throwing this under the bus and just saying, well, this is totally different   than   those good tested vaccines   that you can trust.   Right? So   that's the direction I thought they were going.  

I was actually a 180   degrees,   wrong on that.   What they're actually doing is they're gonna throw the old school,   vaccines under the bus,   and they're gonna push these new mRNA vaccines. Oh, these no. No. Not like the bad mRNA   vaccines, the good mRNA vaccines.   Great thing.   And this is why they came out recently, okay, we're   we're no longer recommending flu shots that have mercury in them. Okay, great, you   know? How about not recommending   flu shots at all because they don't work and they're they're harmful and and everything else, but okay, we gotta get rid of those mercury containing vaccines.   Well, this is this   was theorized   as a main problem   a number of years ago, decades ago. Right? That was the the original RFK   Jr. Moms coming to him and saying, well, what about all the mercury that's getting injected in vaccines? You're worried about it, you know, people consuming it in fish, but what about   getting it injected into to little babies and and small children?  

So I'm   I'm not saying,   mercury isn't a problem, but what I am saying, it is far from the only problem with vaccines.   So this is   it's a limited hangout, and it's a,   quote, solution or victory   that very quickly   it's   very quickly clear that this is not a real victory.   And Robert Malone, you know,   there's good things and bad things from Robert Malone,   different analysis on on where he's coming from. Is he   a good guy or bad guy? It's usually not not quite that easy,   but   this   he he got appointed to the,   vaccine advisory board, so RFK Jr fired all the pharma shells that were on there before   and hired supposedly   good people for it. But he's he   said no one is going to be explicitly   anti vaxxed. Like,   what what was the term? Ideologically   anti vaccine.  

K?   I don't know why not. Can can we have one anti vaxxer on there? One person who who, you know, has a vaccine damaged child and and questions the safety of vaccines?   Just inherently,   apparently not. But we get people like Robert Malone.   And so, yes, they   they say we need to,   stop giving all these mercury containing vaccines to to children, stop recommending them.   But   does he keep going? Is there are there any other issues with the vaccine, safety issues? You know, can we can we even talk about the COVID vaccines being bad? He's talked about that in the past, but doesn't seem to be a a focus of the new panel.   And in in fact, let's play this clip for for this, flu block   product.  



[00:20:29] Unknown:

Regarding the flu block product,   this is truly an innovative technology. It involves the use of insect cells   to rapidly manufacture   the product. This is a cell based influenza vaccine   that represents,   really a great example   of   innovative biotechnology,   in my opinion.   The,   this   this technology   offers key advantages   relative to historic influenza vaccine products   in that   egg and other cell based products   require   adaptation of influenza strains and their antigens   to the,   cell culture or egg culture environment. So you end up with a vaccine product that is,   in some cases,   potentially   clinically significantly   different from the actual circulating antigen. Whereas with the flu block technology, with baculovirus technology in general, they're able to go straight from sequence   to manufactured   protein in a much shorter time frame   without the need for adaptation.  

This is a key advantage.   The other  

[00:21:46] Andrew Hoffman:

Does Robert Malone sound like a   anti vaxxer to you in that clip? Yeah. I don't think so. So we've got this   this fake fight   where, you know, we get thrown a bone   with the techie   requiring no mercury   in childhood vaccines.   And at the same time, we're getting stabbed in the back with with garbage like flu block, all the new expensive stuff, all that's still getting approved and and hyped up.   And this is   the role of the mainstream media and   and big pharma is to pretend they're losing.   Right? Oh, no.   We're we've got a we can't use this wonderful   mercury ingredient in vaccines anymore. Oh, it's so terrible. It just won't be safe without it. You know, it it stuff will get be contaminated. It's just such a terrible   vaccine companies might stop making vaccines because this is just so terrible. Please.  

It's all it's a fake fight to make you think we we accomplished something when,   I mean, it it's good. I'm glad there's they're   requiring mercury to be taken out. But But if someone gets a vaccine for their kid because they think, oh, they're safe now because the vaccine's out, well well, that's a loss, not a win.   So this is   you know, it's it's gonna be an ongoing   sucker punch   whipsaw environment,   and we see that all all areas   of the current political climate.   But   there's one thing that we we talked about on Revelations Radio News, the connection   of   abortion to   to vaccines.  

And you   you literally cannot be   truly pro life,   and pro vaccine.   It's   just how would you   justify,   abortions,   you know, to even let's say vaccines are actually   wonderful,   safe products. If they if they involve aborted babies as   a   as a part of the development process, how could you possibly support that? You can't.   So there's   and there's a lot of people who,   who are,   you know, at least nominally Christian and and pro life,   who do still support vaccines and think vaccines are great. And the reason is because they don't know about all the   all the   role that abortion plays in it and in the process. So   this is finally you know,   this has been known for years and years,   but for some reason,   you know, when Tucker Carlson has someone on to talk about it, it it means it can be talked about now.  

And I have a theory for why that is,   but this is still I mean, regardless of why this information is coming out now and not not ten years ago,   it's still good that it's it's coming out. And so So this is Aaron Suri.   He's part of Children's Health Defense as a as a lawyer, has done a lot of cases,   and he's talking to Tucker about,   about this this process.  

[00:25:07] Unknown:

Let me explain to you why some people oppose the MMR vaccine.   In every single dose of an MMR shot, there are literally   literally   millions of pieces   from the cultured cell line in aborted fetus   in every single injection.   Now, again, that might sound crazy,   but I could literally pull up right now the CDC's   own ingredient list for the MMR vaccine. Anybody can do this at home. Just Google MMR,   excuse me, vaccine excipient list, CDC, and you could pull it up and you could see. It has MRC five, w I 38.   Those are cultured cell lines from aborted fetus because   you have to grow viruses in a cell. Viruses won't just grow. They have to grow in cells. That's how they replicate. They take over the machinery of a cell. So you have to grow it on a cellular substrate.  

So how do they grow to the rubella   virus? They grow it on these cultured cell lines from aborted fetus. Where do they get aborted fetuses?  

[00:26:05] Unknown:

From baby babies that are aborted. From abortion clinics. Well well, and,  

[00:26:11] Unknown:

well, the it's it has to be you you don't you you can't use,   you   so the cells need to be alive.   K?   So you understand, like, the board of fetal tissues   has to remain alive to be used.   And so, you know, I I depose, for example, the,   and,   the world's leading vaccinologist, doctor Stanley Plotkin.   That deposition is actually available on,   iCAN the highwire.com.   The whole deposition, nine hours is available there. K? Parts of it are available on x, and,  

[00:26:45] Unknown:

I I watched part of it in preparation for this interview   and was, you know, so   shocked and revolted by it.   I was already on your side,   obviously,   as a parent of a child who was vaccine injured.   So I'm I'm in tune with everything you're saying, but that deposition with doctor Stanley Plotkin, who's still alive, 93, I checked,   was one of the most shocking things I've ever seen in my life. You watched the whole thing? No. I watched select collections of it. Okay. Yeah.  

[00:27:13] Unknown:

And so then you know about what the clip I'm about to talk about, which is relating to just one study that was done that involved over 70 normally   normal healthy   fetuses, right, that would've   there there was nothing wrong. There were abnormalities   that were aborted for the purposes of this one study. I mean Past the first trimester,   but they're all older than three months, you said. That's right. That's right. And some of them absolutely. And what they do is they take they take those in that one study, those 70 babies, and they, then,   they chop them up into little cue each body parts. They take the tongue, the lung, the liver, the every body part,   and they chop them up into little little cubes.  

And then they try to culture viruses on them because they wanna see which part of the body   can be is the best suited   for growing the virus used in the vaccine. And so this is, you know,  

[00:28:02] Unknown:

in any event, and there's a lot any and anybody wants can research about this. There's So this is answering the question, why is this a religion for some people? There is a   I mean, there's some heavy stuff stuff going on. You mean for folks who don't wanna receive the vaccine? No. No. No. For people who support them.  

[00:28:17] Unknown:

Well, you have to sacrifice quality here. Sorry. That that was my takeaway from that interview, and I think you actually asked him, are you an atheist? Yes. I am. Yes. Be well, the case was about a religious belief that our client had a you know, contrary to the practice of vaccination, they didn't wanna vaccinate her kid. And he decided to volunteer for reasons I will never understand to be an expert, and he came to the deposition. He didn't come to trial.   He he did not show up for trial. We even sent him a subpoena to just take him after the the deposition.   If you ever see the deposition, he says, oh, well, there's there is this or there's that. And so I sent him a document request saying, hey. You said there's this and that. Give it to us. And then he brought a collateral lawsuit to quash that subpoena, believe it or not, because he did not wanna give because he doesn't they don't have it. It doesn't exist. Just like this polio petition. You know, it's not I don't ask for things, you know,   you know, we we we do I try to do my homework beforehand.  

In any event, there's a So but this,  

[00:29:18] Unknown:

vaccines are grown   with the cells of aborted baby tongues.  

[00:29:23] Unknown:

Well, no. No. No. No. No. Let me be clear about that.   In that study, they were trying to figure out   which body part was best to use.   So the one that they ended up with was actually from the lung of the aborted   baby,   aborted fetus. So it's it's it's it's lung fibroblasts   are the,   where the cells they end at the substrate that ended up working. So they tried with tongue.   It didn't work as well.   And there's a number of qualities they're looking for. How well does the virus replicate?   Are there other potential, you know, viruses back you know, and so forth and and so forth and so forth. Well, what's the best median to do it in? And so,  

[00:30:05] Unknown:

there's But you said that the the cells have to be alive. So where do the bodies come from? Do we know?  

[00:30:11] Unknown:

I mean, when they when the baby is   aborted for the purposes and they're typically aborted for the scientific purpose. Right? I mean, they   they have to know beforehand for the most part because if the if the baby if if they abort   the baby   and,   they don't immediately   act to   make sure that   the tissues don't die, then you you can't use them in these experiments.   So,   and this is,  

[00:30:38] Unknown:

and this is as bad as uncomfortable as I've ever been in an interview right now. This is, like, really beyond   beyond that this happens.  

[00:30:47] Andrew Hoffman:

So with that clip, we're starting to be able to talk about the role of abortion,   in in this case, the MMR vaccine.   Right? So,   again, I thought they were going to try and save   the good traditional vaccines   and sacrifice the MMR,   but they're gonna they're gonna do the opposite. So it's all of a sudden, you're gonna be able to talk about how these   the old way of making vaccines.   Wow. You know? We had to had to   abort   and and chop up little babies to to make vaccines? Well, that's not great. Good thing now we've got all this technology, and AI can determine which, you know, animal   or plant protein to to grow this on, and it's all, you know, kinda   de,   ichified.  

We got got less ich factor, I guess. Although, you know, you're injecting something that was   as Robert Malone,   was so gung ho about, oh, he uses insect proteins. Well, isn't that great?   But we've got   this whole very clearly demonic I mean, what do you call chopping up can you imagine   participating   in that?   Like, the most of us aren't medical people, and medical people do a lot of things that are the rest of us find gross.   But, you know,   regardless, I mean, can you imagine   chopping up a baby into little cubes   for use in research and being okay with that? It's   it is it's clearly a demonic   sacrifice.  

And the fact that there's no actual   science behind   you know, there's no truth to the fact that, oh, we can grow viruses.   They can't grow viruses on any of them. It's all skin. We've been through   all those examples where they they claim, oh, this is the the virus when   it it definitely isn't.   But so there there's no justification. There's no ends to justify the means,   which means the means is the point,   and the end is the demonic sacrifice   element. So I'm,   you know,   I'm they're gonna keep chopping up babies   for vaccines as long as they can get away with it.   But I think they're they're willing to   allow the narrative to come out a little bit, you know. Tucker, he's not on TV anymore, but, you know, he can do interviews   like this, and we can   can leak little stuff out, like, okay, well, maybe it's not crazy to be against the MMR vaccine, but, you know,   don't worry, we're gonna have something better for you, something   more   patented   and   and more a   AI driven and and what have you. So   that was a disturbing clip,   and Tucker kinda brings up the abortion clinics. And while   what Aaron   Siri was was saying is true, you know, these are cases where you pretty much have to schedule the abortion   with the intent of,   you know, chopping up the baby for the for the vaccine research.  

But   you you can definitely   organ harvest on a more, you know,   more regular basis there.   And there have been undercover clips of,   you know, Planned Parenthood clinics talking about selling body parts and how much they're worth and what have you.   So along this those same lines, I've just ran into this random clip.   I haven't really   dug into verifying everything, but it kinda makes sense. So let's let's play the organ harvesting   on a 13 year old in a hospital clip.  

[00:34:38] Unknown:

So I was talking to my dad yesterday, and he's a retired doctor now. He has retired. And like I told you, I stopped nursing. And we both kinda chatted it up, and I'm like, dad, what was the breaking point for you? And the crazy point is it was pretty much the same breaking point for me. We had a family friend whose 13 year old daughter unalived herself.   My dad was there,   in the room with her when they declared her legally brain dead. Being a good person that she is, the mom stated she could be an organ donor. And my dad's like,   I'm gonna go up there with her. So my dad went up there while they were organ harvesting.  

So then my dad said that   they made her sign the papers. They did everything. They took her skin, heart, lungs, everything.   The next day, she texts me, my brother, my dad, and she's like, Hey, can you guys come by the car wash?   We're doing a car wash for her funeral.   And my dad said, You know what, Kip?   That hospital   just took over $20,000,000   in funds that they're gonna make. They're gonna take those free organs and charge somebody else   a million or 2,000,000   per organ.   The heart is higher.  

[00:35:46] Andrew Hoffman:

You can see why the medical scam of   being, quote, brain dead was invented.   I mean, $20,000,000   from from one 13 year old,   suicide victim there. So you've you've got a society   that will hype up suicide, push   push girls into into it, you know, and boys into it as well. But, you know, boys are usually,   you know, and boys into it as well. But,   you know, boys, it usually   usually gets us later on after, you know, military or what have you. But,   well and look at these organs.   You can sell those off, but   you can't give the money to the parents. I mean, that would be barbaric. Right? Like,   we can't give you money for your kids' organs.  

And that,   to be fair, that would create a   a very, very   the   potential for a disgusting set of   of,   you know,   priorities   or   motivations, I guess, you could say. Like, oh, well, you know,   we think your kid's brain dead. We can give you 20,000,000   if we if you agree with that. All of us I mean, that's that sounds terrible, but the hospital just doing it for free,   all of a sudden   yeah. That's that's a whole lot better.   So   the the level of evil to participate in that system   is is not trivial. You know?   And the gal   talking in the video, she quit being a nurse. Her dad just quit being a doctor.   And   seeing that little window into what's going on is was enough for them.  

But, man, it it goes so much deeper. I mean, you think   the demonic nature of of abortion is even on a a whole other level from what the hospitals are doing.   So this is   it is deep. It is spiritual.   And   towards the end of the episode, I'm gonna try and tie that in   why   why sin and evil and just this kind of demonic   death worship, death, you know,   promotion   is is a huge part of our society. And,   you know,   why   when you ask me who who runs the world, well, it's friends of Epstein, servants of Satan. And that's not   you know, it's a   a simplistic way of putting it,   but it is it is also true.  

Doctor Suzanne   Humphreys,   also put out a tweet that says,   this is why they we they can now remove mercury and make you think there's a victory. There's a new golden era of vaccinology   that the vaccine journals have been referred to for the past fifteen years, and she's got a picture of   twenty twenty five   EU Biologics   Global Vaccine Forum.   They're happening in South Korea, and she links to an article   put together by Nicholas Hoelscher,   mRNA mania, biopharmaceutical   complex convenes to advance global genetic manipulation   agenda.  

And so he goes through   06/19/2025,   over a 180 global operatives of the biopharmaceutical   complex gathered in Seoul for the twenty twenty five,   Global Vaccine Forum to to discuss present and future of mRNA and other vaccine platform technologies.   The primary topics included self amplifying replicon mRNA injections,   microneedle patch,   quote, vaccines,   AI engineered genetic injections, and the race that's kinda like what we talked about   earlier with the CRISPR one,   and the race to accelerate mRNA development   sponsored by   so and then he he goes through each of the sessions and kinda gives a a summary.  

So I'll just read some of the summaries.   MRNAs   is the future, not just for pandemics, but for everything, autoimmune disease, cancer, cancer, etcetera,   and then promoted the   extremely   dangerous self amplifying mRNA   replicon platform.   What could go wrong there?   Next, they   revealed plans to use mRNA to prepare for future outbreaks,   I. E. Preauthorized   genetic vaccines waiting for the next declared emergency.   Emphasize the need for speed when developing mRNA shots.   Okay. Now we had a guy from Harvard who says,   vaccines saved twenty million lives in 2021.   Look. There's a chart. They saved twenty million lives. Okay. Sure.  

Then pitched correlates of protection to fine tune future mRNA updates for respiratory viruses,   including potential for routine intranasal or seasonal gene injections.   And just as an aside,   the wonderful vaccine advisory board well,   I should've looked more deeply into it. But did they   I don't believe they approved the mRNA RSV   vaccine.   Maybe they did,   but there's   or they recommended it or something. There's that thing is not as   as dead in the water as it should be.   So   keep an eye on that one as well.   Alright.   Another one. AI designed vaccines, merging artificial intelligence with synthetic biology to design shots in days, not years. Oh, so wonderful. That's,   that's the whole,   Operation Stargate thing.  

Moderna's Robert Paris pushed expanding mRNA to chronic diseases. Another mass market expansion.   Hey. We're not gonna ask where where all these chronic diseases are coming from all of a sudden. We're just gonna use mRNA to treat it.   Mobile mRNA manufacturing   projects presented as decentralization,   but really a global template for on demand gene shot production in every region. Yes. Bill Gates always talks about that. Oh, we need these mRNA,   you know, vaccine manufacturing places everywhere in the world to just whip out a new vaccine right away.   And then talking   about microneedle   patches and self amplifying RNA,   the microneedle   array patch, this might look familiar   if you saw the James Corbett,   Future of Vaccines   documentary,   you've got the little spikes on the little patch, and, oh, just stick it into your skin,   and the whole Gates Foundation,   deal there.  

And then, new lipid nanoparticles,   oh,   presented as ways to penetrate more tissues more efficiently.   What's not said, easier penetration also means greater biodistribution,   including to the brain and reproductive organs,   which is where   it's the problem with the toxicity of the current   lipid nanoparticles.   So just, more more toxicity is kinda what they're advertising there.   Panel okay. And then it goes on from there. So he   they link to the entire if you I mean,   I'm not putting my hand up, but if you wanna sit through the entire,   panel, it's it's available.  

It can be watched on   YouTube. So,   I guess I guess you can talk about vaccines if you're if you're big pharma, but not if you're anyone else on YouTube.   One other   sort of related story,   Sometimes pediatricians   apparently,   kill their own kids, not just not just the rest of our kids with vaccines.   Oklahoma pediatrician accused   of staging a four four year old daughter's drowning in in Miami   pool. Okay. So,   she's based right here in Oklahoma City, and doctor Neha Gupta   accused of,   basically staging a drowning of her her daughter,   and   police didn't definitely didn't think the story added up and arrested her for murder.  

You can   I don't really wanna get too deep into that story? It's just, you know, the   the propaganda is, like, oh, the greatest person in the world is a pediatrician, and   not always the case there.   Alright.   So let's talk about how does this relate to   theology,   of all things,   and then political power.   And let me try to set the stage for that. So,   anyone who's listened to Revelations Radio News or this podcast   knows that I'm a big fan of Chris White's work,   and he has done   I mean, this is   this goes all the way back. The   Frank and and Chris show, I mean, it was around, I think, before 02/2008, but I remember listening to it in in 02/2008,   and they kinda looked at news stuff, financial crisis stuff, and   just general conspiracy stuff. And and Chris went into   to making what he called   debunkumentaries,   debunking ancient aliens debunked, kind of that whole thing.  

He's   done stuff on a whole variety   of   issues and topics, conspiracy   Christian.   And, he's got Bible Prophecy Talk as another podcast. He's going through one of the,   his books that that he wrote   on that podcast, just kinda reading the different chapters.   And he's also got   a section on   what he's calling the Deformation   series. So the Deformation,   basically looking at what happened   during the reformation   from the,   from the Catholic church during the Protestant reformation.   Did we because I I think kind of the idea,   at least,   that I was taught   or   expected was was true is that   so that we've got the early Christianity, everything's going good, and then,   the Roman government gets in   gets involved,   Stuff gets corrupted over time.  

Eventually,   the Catholic church gains   way, way, way too much power.   Power corrupts,   becomes   just, you know, way off base from from original Christianity,   and then the Protestant Reformation happens, and we kinda kinda went back   to the original. That's kinda the idea of the Reformation is let's let's go back to   actual Christianity.   We'll read the bible for ourselves,   figure out what it plainly says, and and go from there.   And that was,   kinda it's kinda the thumbnail   sketch that I would have given.   And Chris has been through,   a few different   kind of he's been   a personal   spiritual journey as you as you could say, but   he came to the conclusion that,   he had drifted   far enough away from god that he really felt like god was telling him, like, look. You're either   going to obey me or   you're going to hell.  

That's the   kind of what what he felt like, and he he chose to obey and and kinda re he recommitted to   to Christ.   But as part of that experience, he started looking at some of the   assumptions and beliefs that he had that led him to believe that he couldn't lose salvation. Because he's   a 100% convinced that he was a Christian. He saw true to the spirit, believes he he was saved, you know, and there's certainly a lot of evidence to that   that effect,   and   also believes that he could have   chosen to walk away and no longer   be no longer be a Christian, no longer be saved.  

And that does not fit with kind of the once saved, always saved,   version, which is a very common belief   either   either spoken or unspoken   in in current evangelical   Christianity.   So he   he looked into that and that this defamation series   comes out of that. So let's I'm gonna play some clips. This is part four.   And this,   I found this section really,   really worthwhile to listen to. It addressed some of my,   kind of my questions, like, well, you know, what   if the reformation was bad, does that mean the Catholic church was good? And and definitely not. But   he he goes through some of the issues that   that I had,   in particular   in this episode. So I've got   three clips to play. Let's go ahead and play the first one. The first Christians  

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did not believe the purpose of Jesus' death was to satisfy god's wrath for payment for our sins. Instead,   they believed that the primary problem humanity faced in seeking reconciliation with god   was our bondage to Satan   because of our sin. They would quote passages   like Hebrews two fourteen b, which says, so that through death, he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is the devil.   This verse suggests   that at least one of the reasons Jesus died was to defeat the devil, who in some way has the power of death. Another very plain verse is in first John three eight b, which says, the son of God appeared for this purpose,   to destroy the works of the devil.  

More or less, the idea was that in the Garden of Eden,   Satan, after getting man to sin, was granted legal rights in some way over death. This was a problem for mankind because the wages of sin is death, as it says in Romans six.   Therefore, the result of this situation   is that sinning puts us under Satan's power. Romans six sixteen says, do you not know that when you present yourself to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey,   either of sin resulting in death or of obedience resulting in righteousness?   If sin leads to death and therefore to the bondage of Satan, who has the power of death, it explains why Satan is so intent   on tempting people to sin because it gives him more power. In the early church's view,   Jesus' death, among other things, broke that bondage and set believers free   by cleansing them with Jesus' blood   just like the temple was cleansed on the day of atonement. And this allowed them to receive the Holy Spirit   which empowers them to live a life free from the bondage of sin and therefore death. As Romans eight says, the spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus   from the law of sin and death.  

Their views on the atonement are sometimes referred to as Christus Victor   or the ransom view or classical atonement theory. They did not believe, as we do today,   that God can't forgive sin unless his wrath is satisfied.   And they certainly didn't believe that God poured out his wrath on Jesus.  

[00:51:48] Andrew Hoffman:

When I was listening to Chris's podcast, it it was really kind of an   moment for me.   And   our world,   our political system   makes   a lot more sense. And   the reason that is is, okay,   why do we have a kakistocracy,   a rule by the worst people possible? You know, why I mean, why do we have a a vaccine   system, you know, with big pharma being one of the most powerful   forces out there where they chop up babies when there's no, you know, there's medical benefit to that whatsoever,   it's just   demonic and and evil.   Why are we always at war? You know, why why are   why are we always attacking Christians?  

This is all of those factors that don't make sense,   it   all those factors don't make sense if this world that we're living in   is the best possible world.   And what I mean by best possible world   goes back to   a class I had in college that was very kind of instrumental in the in the way that I think   it was called atheistic argument from evil. And there's an atheistic argument from evil   is that evil exists, therefore,   actually, sorry, not evil,   suffering.   So because suffering exists,   it shows that there's not an omnipotent God,   therefore, God does not   exist. That's kind of the the basics of that argument.  

And the   counterargument   from a,   kind of Calvinist perspective   is that, oh, no, God exists.   This is the   and he's all powerful.   Everything that happens is the   best possible   scenario for things happening. So even if there's apparent suffering,   it's not as bad as,   if if the world was different.   And there's also   we we get into, you know, some people being preordained, either saved or damned. You know, God can make a vessel forever to   whatever he wants, all all of that stuff.   And the,   the atonement theory that Chris is referring to there   and which is, you know, well beyond   Calvinism   is,   Jesus died to   in our place to satisfy God's wrath. God's wrath was poured out on   Christ rather than us. He was a substitute   us with was the only way to,   to reunite us.  

So there's really no role in that theory for   for Satan. There's no kind of other party involved. It's just   a we're separated from God because of our sin.   Jesus re   reconciles that through his sacrifice,   and the   that's not what the early Christians believed and that's kind of what Chris is talking about in this podcast   and   I think their   the early Christians worldview  

[00:55:14] Unknown:

makes a makes a lot of sense with what we actually see in our world today. So let's go ahead and play the second clip here. But for now, just know that the early church historians would more or less agree with what has just been said. The early church had a totally different view of the atonement   than we do today.   So what changed?   It all began with a guy named Anselm of Canterbury,   a theologian who became archbishop of Canterbury in October.   He wrote an influential book called, Cur Deus Homo,   where he rejected the atonement theories that came before him, which emphasized Christ's victory over Satan.   Because, in his view, this diminished God's sovereignty.  

After all, he reasoned, if God was absolutely   supreme,   then he owes nothing to the devil and need not negotiate with or defeat Satan in order to redeem humanity.   This was Anselm's main reason for looking for an alternative   atonement theory.   Anselm laid out two main premises   that have shaped the debate ever since.   The first premise,   God cannot   simply forgive sin without satisfactory   payment. Anselm proposed that if God did not receive satisfaction   or proper repayment for an offense, he could not forgive   because to forgive freely without repayment   would be unjust.  

William Hess, in his book, Crushing the Serpent,   explains the situation this way. Quote, to Anselm, it was wrong for God to just freely forgive   without some form of recompense   because, quote, to remit sin in this manner is nothing else than not to punish. And since it is not right to cancel sin without compensation or punishment,   it can be concluded that it is not proper for god thus to pass over sin on punished. The second premise that Anselm came up with was related to the first.   If God cannot forgive sin without payment,   then our problem is not Satan.  

Our problem is God.   If God's mind cannot be changed about us without payment, the whole issue that humanity faces in Anselm's view was where to find payment   sufficient   to satisfy   God's demand for justice.   And thus, change God's mind about us so that we could go to heaven. Interestingly,   Anselm did not conclude   from his premises   that the father punished Jesus to satisfy   his required justice.   The idea that Jesus was actually punished by God to satisfy his wrath only came much later with Martin Luther.   Instead, Anselm proposed that Jesus restored   God's honor   because he lived a perfect life, and so he had a lot of stored up merit.  

And Jesus willingly offered his over abundant   merit to restore and satisfy God's honor for the sins of humanity.   So it was not punishment of Jesus exactly,   but rather Jesus paid off God with merit, which Jesus had a lot of.   Anselm's theory became the dominant view of the Catholic church for the next five hundred years. But, like always happens with bad doctrine,   it created more problems than it supposedly solved. For example, Anselm's theories led directly to the formation of some rather infamous Catholic doctrines   like purgatory,   self mutilation,   and eventually   indulgences.  



[00:58:49] Andrew Hoffman:

I didn't realize that that   view of atonement, that view of salvation came along so late, you know,   ten centuries into into Christianity there. So that was   eye opening to me.   And then we've got,   well, I'm I'm just gonna move on to the next,   or to the final Chris White clip, and then we can kinda in   include talking about the issues that were brought up in this one, after we listened to that that final clip.  

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It's also true that scripture   consistently   portrays the devil as having a measure of dominion or authority in this world. First John five nineteen says, the whole world   lies in the power of the evil one.   When Jesus was tempted in the wilderness,   Satan was not rebuked when he said that the kingdoms of the world had been given to him. And he led them up and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said unto him, I will give you all this domain and its glory for it has been handed over to me and I give it to whomever I wish. In Colossians, it says that in salvation,   someone is essentially transferred   from Satan's dominion   to God's kingdom.  

He has delivered us from the domain of darkness   and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved son. And, of course, one only needs to read the first chapter of Job to see that Satan is allowed in the presence of God to accuse Job.   Anselm may not have liked it, but scripture seems to suggest that God has some kind of legal agreement with Satan, which results in Satan having some kind of earthly dominion.   Scripture does not spell out the exact nature of this agreement. But as I said earlier, it can be inferred to be related to the power of death,   which Satan would have gained after the fall when death entered the world.  

Another important point is about the opening of man's eyes after eating from the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, which is equivalent to the law entering the world which led to guilt for sin. Which is why God said that if Adam ate of that fruit, he would surely die. After the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil was eaten,   this new found moral awareness   made humanity   accountable for its sin, and sin leads to death.   Satan is easily able to tempt men to sin, which enslaves them and leads to spiritual death. And because Satan has been granted dominion over death, he effectively became the ruler of this world since all men would eventually sin. This is more or less what Paul means in Romans when he says, when the commandment came,   sin spring to life and I died. Or in first Corinthians, the sting of death is sin and the power of sin is the law. This is all very complicated to explain and I will try my best to unpack   exactly how it all works in a future chapter.  

But for now, let it suffice to say that Anselm was obviously wrong to say that freeing us from the devil's power could not be the reason that Jesus had to die.   Because it seems transparent that at least part of the reason that Jesus had to die was to free us from the devil's power.   According to passages that say things like, so that through death, he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is the devil.  

[01:02:25] Andrew Hoffman:

If you look around at the world   and what's going on, and I'm I'm talking about   both on a kinda   large scale, but also local.   And you see the   the pain, the suffering,   the sin, the corruption.   Is this a world where god has   has   predetermined   every single thing that happens?   Or   are we wrong about that view of the world and is this in fact a world that's   under the bondage   of sin and death?   That's ruled by ruled by   Satan,   manipulated by Satan,   where   we are constantly   we're in the middle of a war,   and, you know, I mean,   the devil's greatest trick was was convincing the world he didn't exist. Well, he convinced   Christian theology he didn't exist. He's not even a factor.  

I mean, he   how many,   I guess, different church, you know, church backgrounds would be very different if it if you're more of a, let's say, a Pentecostal   background, you you probably did   get a lot of spiritual warfare type type teaching and and the influence of of Satan on the world.   But coming from,   you know, been in a lot of Baptist churches or nondenominational   churches, and there is not a lot of Satan talk going on. There's a lot of,   let's keep it, you know, here's   here's the gospel, and we're   we're   basically gonna disconnect   everything from   the real world.  

And that's where,   man, I I've been burdened about the kind of the state of   the church in in America in particular,   and   this really kinda crystallized why that is. And it I thought for a long time, I'm like, is this,   you know, kind of the   the new age   kind of modernization of the church where you don't say where it's kinda woke and you don't say sin.   And is that what's going on? But I I think it's   goes far deeper than that, and it's this attitude a   spiritual   problem. You know, you're you're destined for hell. That's your spiritual problem. It's solved by   accepting Christ as your savior   and believing the correct   correct theology, and then that's it.  

And that's, you know, game over. And then you're kinda   well, you know, I'm I'm still going to church, but   but   what's the point? Well, you know, you should tell other people about Jesus.   Try to give them the same   same message and   but wait a second. Is that is that it? Is that all we're doing here? This is we're just kinda playing out the string,   tell you the the rapture till we die.   And I think the,   you know, the early church's view of kind of the ransom view of of atonement makes a lot more sense.   And this is why   I mean, when you start to look for it in the New Testament   is you have to throw out   you don't have to throw out verses, and that's kind of the point.  

One of the the people that Chris White cites in some other parts is David,   Bersaw.   I used to think it was pronounced Burcotte, but it's Bersaw.   And he has a a YouTube channel,   where   a lot of his stuff is at is on this YouTube channel anyway. It's called   Sound Faith   on YouTube,   but he is a former,   Jehovah's Witness   and then went in he was an Anglican priest after that and then,   is now,   I guess, I guess you would say Anabaptist   or almost,   Mennonite by choice there.   So very interesting. And his   the way he got there was,   he he did an interview because he was a a former Jehovah's Witness,   and the Christian radio show said, you know, well,   we try not to, you know, pick fights between denominations, but we really feel like Jehovah's Witnesses have departed from the historical faith. The   historical faith. And he he thought, well, that's that's true. And then he thought, well, what is the historical faith? And so that started him down   a journey of what did the early church believe, and he's got lots of books that he's written on on that subject.  

And it is,   it will be surprising if you haven't looked into it before.   And if you're assuming   you're going to a typical American church,   and you believe what the early Christians believed,   that is definitely not true. And so that's what what Chris White series is about,   and that's, the Sound Faith Channel's another resource for for looking into   that. And   I I mean, there's there's a lot of verses where all of a sudden it's like, oh, well, maybe that maybe Jesus   didn't mean what,   what we explained away, and may maybe the beatitudes   are actually,   you know, he meant what he said   when he went through those.  

And we've got   you know, I I said earlier, you can't be pro life   and   and pro,   you can't be pro life and pro vaccine.   And I would also say you can't be pro life and pro war, like we talked about last week.   And so   and the early church was not. You know? You had people,   coming to Christ and leaving military service.   And, you know, paying in some cases, it was mandatory military service and and paying the price for that,   in some cases, martyrdom.   So what   view of you know, what views on the way the world works and our   our role,   our duties as as a Christian,   what did they believe differently than we believe   currently today? I think that's a there's a whole,   you know, wealth of material to to dig into on that front.  

And, before we go, though,   I I thought this clip was   very interesting on on a number of levels,   but I want to play,   play the Peter Thiel clip. You may have seen it already.   But Peter Thiel talking about   basically trying to   create a transhumanist   salvation,   and I've talked about that in the past, but it it's interesting that   I think he points something out about Christianity that maybe we didn't even realize ourselves. So   I will,   play that clip and then comment on it, and we'll be   we'll be done for this episode.  

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You would prefer the human race to endure. Right?  

[01:09:39] Unknown:

You're hesitating. Well, I Yes? I don't know. I I would   I would,   do you do this? Hesitation. There's so many there's so many questions and questions. The human race survive?  

[01:09:54] Unknown:

Yes. Okay. But but,  

[01:09:57] Unknown:

I I also   would,   I I I also would like us to to radically solve these problems. And, and so, you know, it's always I don't know.   You know?   Yeah. Transhumanism   is this you know, the ideal was this radical transformation where your   human natural body gets transformed into an immortal   body. And,   there's a critique of, let's say, the trans people in a sexual context or, I don't know, transvestite   is someone who changes their clothes and cross dresses, and a transsexual   is someone where you change your   penis into a vagina, and we can then debate how well those surgeries work. But, we want more transformation than that. It's the critique is not that it's weird and unnatural. It's man, it's so pathetically   little. And okay, we want more than cross dressing or changing your sex organs. We want you to be able to change your heart   and change your mind and change your whole your whole body. And then Orthodox Christianity, by the way, the the critique Orthodox Christianity has of this is these things don't go far enough,   like, that transhumanism is just changing your body, but you also need to transform your soul, and you need to transform your your whole self. And so, this is Right. But the other Wait. Wait. Sorry.  



[01:11:22] Unknown:

I I generally   agree with your,   what I think is your belief,   that   religion   should be a friend to science and ideas of scientific progress. I think any idea of divine providence has to encompass the fact that we have progressed   and achieved and and done things that would have been unimaginable   to our ancestors.   But it still also seems like,   yeah, the the promise of Christianity in the end is you get you get the perfected body and the perfected soul through God's grace, and the person who tries to do it on their own with a bunch of machines   is likely to end up as a dystopian character.  

Well,   it's   let's articulate this. And you can have a heretical   form of Christianity,   right, that says something else.  

[01:12:16] Unknown:

I   don't know. I think the word nature does not occur once in the Old Testament. And   you know, if you, you know,   and there is   a word in which a sense in which   the way I understand,   you know,   the Judeo Christian inspiration is   it is about transcending nature. It is about overcoming things, and, you know, and the closest thing you can say to nature is that people are fallen   and that that's   the natural thing in a Christian sense is that,   you're messed up. And that's true, but,   you know, there's some ways that,   you know, with God's help, you are supposed to transcend that and overcome that.  

[01:13:10] Andrew Hoffman:

It's easy enough to point out where Peter Thiel is wrong.   And, no, Peter Thiel, you're not gonna, you know, transhumanism   brain chip,   you know,   biohack and everything else your way into salvation.   We   we can clearly see that's that's not gonna happen. Right? He's gonna   he's he's gonna die and go to hell. I mean, that's that's the future for Peter Thiel on the the course that he's on.   But even he, as someone who does not claim to be a Christian and is clearly not,   knows that Christianity   is supposed to be   about something drastic   and where you where you are transformed.  

And this is   it's not a   it's not about a a thirty second prayer and then do whatever you want. I mean, it just isn't.   And so that's   you know, if if we could draw some   rebuke from even Peter Thiel knowing that Christianity is supposed to be transformational   and you might not be hearing about that in in church on Sundays,   well,   I think we we should learn from that. So what what   then shall we do? Right? This is the   every every every time someone interacted with Jesus, it was   Jesus pointed out usually   the one thing they were holding on to that was keeping them from following him. So with the wealthy young ruler, it was,   well,   go sell everything you have.  

Give it to the poor. Come follow me.   With the another,   you know,   oh, I need to go   go take care of family responsibilities. I've gotta go bury my father. No. Let the dead bury the dead.   Come follow me. You know, whatever it is, whatever we prioritize   in front of following Christ is what we have to give up, and that's the that's the only way forward.   And that, as the early Christians saw it, was not a   not just a one time   commitment. It was living out that commitment   constantly   every day for the rest of your life, whether that   meant,   you know, being martyred in some horrific fashion   for refusing to   to,   you know, disavow Christ. I mean, why would you put yourself through martyrdom if it didn't impact,   if it didn't impact your   your future in in heaven or hell? Right? I mean, the the martyrs the fact that people are willing to be martyred for it   shows the level of commitment   to it.  

Like, this is not something you can just,   try for a little while and then forget about, and it's it's okay. You're still going to heaven.   That's just not it's not what Jesus taught. It's not what   the apostles taught. It's not what the early church taught. And so this is,   you know, hope hopefully, it's   convicting for you.   I'll try to leave on a a little more positive note.   You know, what   what then shall we do?   Second Chronicles seven fourteen.   If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves   and pray   and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways,   then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.  

So that's,   I mean, that's what we need. We need   forgiveness, and this this land   needs healing. So I hope   hope that made sense a little bit. Hope, hopefully, that spoke to you, and,   thank you so much for listening to the whole thing and for for supporting   this little tiny niche podcast.   I'd also like to,   especially ask you to pray for, Chris White's   wife, Connie, who has cancer. And so this   latest,   you know, video or,   this latest podcast that he put out   and the work he put into it, he's doing that in the midst of   of watching and supporting his wife   go through cancer treatments and what have you. So if if it's important enough to,   for him to spend time on   while his wife's going through cancer, then I would say it's important enough for us to   look into and and to   kinda figure out if   we agree with where he's coming from or not. So that's what I'd   like to leave you leave you with. Please play pray for Chris, pray pray for Connie, and,   pray for those down in in Texas as well. A whole whole different type of tragedy there. So,   thanks again for listening, and I will talk to you soon.