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This podcast episode explores the purported connections between the band Phish and Bitcoin. The hosts, Fundamentals and Jason, discuss their shared passion for Phish and their belief that the band's lyrics and overall ethos contain hidden messages about Bitcoin's decentralized nature and its potential to disrupt traditional finance. They analyze specific Phish lyrics, drawing parallels between them and concepts in Bitcoin. The podcast also touches on the shared countercultural aspects of both Phish's fanbase and the early Bitcoin community. Finally, they introduce their goal to expand the discussion to a wider audience, engaging both Phish fans and Bitcoin enthusiasts.
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Welcome to the inaugural episode of the Bitcoin Connection Podcast, where we explore the intriguing intersections between Bitcoin and the music of Phish. I'm your host, Fundamentals, joined by my co-host, Jason. Together, we'll navigate the cosmos of these two seemingly disparate worlds and uncover the connections that bind them.

In this episode, we delve into our personal histories with Phish and Bitcoin, sharing how these passions have shaped our lives. We discuss the cultural significance of Phish's music, its impact on fans, and the unique subculture it has fostered over the decades. Jason recounts his first Phish show experience in 1997, while I reflect on my journey from a Phish fan to a Bitcoin enthusiast.

We also explore the parallels between the Phish and Bitcoin communities, highlighting their shared values of decentralization, innovation, and counterculture. We draw connections between Phish's lyrics and the principles of Bitcoin, examining how the band's creative expressions resonate with the ethos of decentralized finance.

Join us as we embark on this journey to uncover the hidden links between Phish and Bitcoin, and consider the possibility that these two worlds are more intertwined than they appear. Whether you're a Phish fan, a Bitcoiner, or both, this podcast promises to offer fresh insights and thought-provoking discussions.

Stay tuned for more episodes where we'll dive deeper into the lyrics, music, and cultural phenomena that connect Phish and Bitcoin, and perhaps even catch the attention of the band itself.

[00:00:17] Unknown:

Welcome everybody to the Bitcoin connection   podcast.   This podcast explores the deep   and many numerous connections between   Bitcoin and Fish's music as it's been expressed since the beginning in 1983.   My name is Fundamentals,   and Jason and I will be your tour guides through the cosmos.   And we are up and running.   Hey, everybody.   We are starting a new podcast   right now. Got that giddy feeling.   My name is Fundamentals,   and I'm here with Jason.  

[00:01:05] Unknown:

Hello. Hello, Fundamentals.  

[00:01:07] Unknown:

So you go by Jason?   Yeah. I'm just gonna go by Jason. Just Go by Jason. Okay. Yeah. So fundamentals and Jason,   and we're talking about fish   and Bitcoin.   So,   let me kick this off   for the audience. Most people who know me know that,   I have a stupid obsession with fish.   They know you know, you know I'm a Bitcoiner.   And   I've written a couple of blog posts   about,   you know, what I believe to be,   absolute connections   between,   between Fish and Bitcoin.   So and let me be clear about it too. I don't think Fish ever knew what the hell Bitcoin was. I don't know if they have any idea what it is now.   Your guess is as good as mine. However,   it is my strong,   strong   view that   whatever creative force was guiding them   was inspired by this,   and it's the only way to explain why   certain views were expressed in 1986,   and for over 40 years   from the time the band was created   right down to the name they get they unintentionally   gave themselves   that has meaning in both worlds.  

So   the purpose of this podcast   is I found a I found a great partner here   to really navigate   this. You know, we're gonna be your tour guides through the cosmos   once again.   And,   you know, the purpose is to expose   these ideas,   get them out,   talk about them.   And   it is my intention that eventually the band hears this and   opines   and says opines honestly. Says, you know what?   I never thought about it before, but I can't I guess I can't ignore it.   And, you know, the other thing I thought over the years was   when I say over the years, I mean over the last couple of years.   Well, I'll get into my fish history.  

Sure. But   over the past couple of years since I've been having these thoughts,   my   the thought has occurred to me that if the band if any of the band members, you know, do get into Bitcoin,   I would want them to find this.   Right? I would want them to   at least consider   that   you know, it's like a past life regression. Like, I would at least want them to consider that they were inspired by it   without realizing it, and I would want that to inform their journey.   Sounds good, man. Yeah. So that is, like, that's the objective. And,   you know, I'm having like, I'm reminded of one of my favorite podcasts that I've ever listened to and ever had.  

Mhmm. It's called the Analyze Fish podcast.   And when I   when I met Jason, we I was we were talking about,   we were, you know, recalling that podcast and all the great moments   that from that podcast. And for people who don't know let's say people in the Bitcoin space who have no idea what the hell that is. Yeah.   There was an early in the game podcast where Harris Whittles and Scott Aukerman,   who are accomplished comedians, you know, very accomplished comedians at the time.   The point was,   Scott   saw Harris as a very promising, talented comedy writer who was wasting his life going to fish shows.   And   so the point of the show was for Harris to convince Scott as to why to like fish, which is a very Bitcoin y thing. It's like almost like imagine a podcast   where somebody tries to orange pill in no corner,   and it's only funny because it never works.  

Right. And we have 2 of the really the funniest people on the planet   going through this charade. And it was really funny because,   you know, Harris tried so hard.   He tried so hard, and all he did was go basically we're talking, like, 2011, I wanna say. 2012. Yeah. 2011, 2012. Yeah. Like, he would just go to the message board   that was hosted on the website, I guess, the Comedy Bang Bang website,   and just see nothing but hatred from Phish fans. Like, you are the worst. You are the worst at doing this. You pick the worst songs. You're horrible at explaining this. And, no, I think it actually affected him. He was very funny.   But   eventually so this was called Analyze Fish, and it was a take on Analyze This.  



[00:05:55] Unknown:

Yeah. The movie. Chris Popular.  

[00:05:57] Unknown:

Bobby De Niro.   And, eventually, the band like, they they went to a fish show as part of that. It culminated.  

[00:06:05] Unknown:

Was it New Year's Eve, or was it just a random show? It was a show at the Hollywood Bowl in Okay. It was in California. 14  

[00:06:12] Unknown:

or something like that. Summer tour, regular old summer tour. Maybe you and I go to a fish show. Mhmm. But,   you know, they it did culminate with the band,   meeting them.   And, actually, Tom Marshall, who is the song, who's a very key character in this story,   right, he is the lyricist   for   Fish.  

[00:06:34] Unknown:

And arguably Trey's best friend since childhood.  

[00:06:37] Unknown:

Yes.   And so you're talking about the guy who basically with Trey and Estacio, the leader of Fish,   at   you know, one of them was 8, and the other one was 9   when they met.   And, they started writing songs together and dreamt of having this band. And Tom is the word writer who I'm referring to in most of these lyrics.   He from he, basically, he became a podcaster because of that podcast.   So he credited   he credited   analyze Fish with him starting Under the Scales, which is a podcast where he goes into detail   on a lot of the lyrics he wrote.   None of it has to do with Bitcoin,   I should say. Spoiler alert.  

However, I would say I'm thinking of the Homer Simpson meme, where none of it has to do with Bitcoin   yet.  

[00:07:31] Unknown:

Right.  

[00:07:32] Unknown:

Yet. So, you know, you just they haven't heard from me   on this yet.   And so, you know, when I came   so I I'll just say I got into fish. My first fish show was Wurster   1993, New Year's Eve.   And it was love at first note   for me.   And,   you know, I've just   fish has been a dominant   thing in my life for   I'm doing the math. Better part of the last 32 years.   My life absolutely changed   that winter, that New Year's Eve.   I went to I went back to school the next   semester just   like it was night and day. You know? I was   I I basically was unsuccessful   before the fact and was successful after the fact. And   there's a lot that went on over that weekend in Worcester   that,   you know, on another podcast, maybe I would talk about or maybe on another episode.  

But Yeah. Just suffice it to say,   you know, at the age of 19, seeing Fish for the first time in 1993   had   a massive mark on my life, and it's been a larger than life feature   for me   up until you know, certainly up until today   and up until the last show I attended, which was February of 2022.   So Mhmm.   All the Fish fans are rolling their eyes now saying he hasn't been to a show in a couple of years,   and it is what it is.   But I,   you know, still still listening. I've been to trade shows. I've been to, you know, some things. You gotta understand. Yeah. We're, like, 50 year old guys now. Yeah. And,   you know, it's just a different   it's just a little bit of a different ball game. It's very difficult. And maybe, you know, maybe Jason having you in,   locally in my life will actually get me to go to shows more often. I'm the kind of guy that always needed a crew. I always needed, like, buddies to push me. Yep. You know? I mean, I've probably gotten just under a 100 shows.  

Probably more than half of them were just being motivated by friends. You know? Yep.  

[00:09:47] Unknown:

100%.   I'm,  

[00:09:49] Unknown:

lazy with inertia. So, anyway,   Jace yeah. Maybe, Jason, you wanna talk about your  

[00:09:55] Unknown:

fish history. Yeah. I mean, I I think I'll start where you kind of ended in the sense of,   you know, there's a few there's a few I've always been attracted to subcultures,   called them some of them you would call countercultures.   Fish and Bitcoin, I think, both both belong in the counterculture   bucket. But I've I was into,   in the in the early nineties,   American   made   car stereo equipment was really hot,   and I loved I always loved music.   And, you know, Rush was, like, my my my favorite band is, like, a 12 year old. I call them my gateway band. Without without Rush, I I don't know if I would have ever found Phish.   Mhmm.  

But   as far as having an impact, you know, the car stereo thing, I, you know, I'm still into I'm still into high end equipment, home, 12 volt car stuff.   I then got into,   you know, we talked a little bit about, like, the weed culture. You know, I spent summers in Amsterdam in the late nineties.   Was just very attracted to the stuff that was kinda going against the grain. Once something became popular,   I kinda lost interest. Like, for example, the car stereo thing led into,   import tuning. This is before way before Fast and Furious.   As soon as that movie came out,   I stopped being into it, like, almost overnight   because if then I knew it became mainstream at that point. But,  

[00:11:30] Unknown:

did you go to Dent shows? Sorry. Did you go to Dent shows at all? No. No. So I always,  

[00:11:36] Unknown:

my   brother, who's 7 years older than me, was definitely in had a huge impact on me from a music music taste standpoint, Pink Floyd,   Zeppelin.   He wasn't a dead guy,   and he wasn't against the dead, but it just wasn't something that ever kinda came up. And by the time I was you know, you're you're a little bit older than me, at least when as far as going to concerts is concerned,   that had already passed. You know, Jerry had had passed away   and and, you know, really, you know, Phish was in the right place at the right time. They inherited a lot of that   a lot of that culture   that, you know, stemmed from the late sixties.  

And, you you know, you you could, you know, fit   people used to call fish a drug band.  

[00:12:25] Unknown:

And They still do. They still do. Yeah. That's not a lie.  

[00:12:31] Unknown:

And the Grateful Dead scene, I think, was   was you could also call   although   the the older hippies that were huge Dead fans would probably argue with you about that, but,   you know, they got handed the baton. Fish did. The Fish scene did.   And from my perspective, I think it was   if for if for nothing else,   that that organism that was the hippie scene, that kind of psychedelic scene   needs   needs a safe space,   and the dead used to provide that safe space where kind of anything goes,   musically   and culturally.   The scene is very welcoming.   Now I'm talking, you know, more about fish, more more about my personal experience.  

You know, it it's like, you know, the water's warm. Come on in. But guess what? We do have a little bit of immune system. If you act out, if you don't if you behave in a way that isn't   isn't acceptable, that isn't isn't tolerant,   you will get rejected by that scene. You you know, you will have an experience that will probably lend you to not come back to another show.   And for people like us that   were thirsty for that,   it's just the best thing ever, and it changed our lives forever.  

[00:13:52] Unknown:

Do we have a book we have a book called Heads?  

[00:13:56] Unknown:

I heard you mention it  

[00:13:57] Unknown:

on a recent on a recent rep on a different show. I have another goal, which is to get the author of that book, Jesse Jarno, to come and talk to us.   And I did just see he is on Noster, so, like, he may actually start to get closer to the scene. I am gonna reach out to him. I used to be friends with him, when he was, like, in high school. He was in high school going to concerts. Right?   And he was one of those kids that, like, you didn't realize had a family and a home. You know? He just showed up at shows.   But he was, like, 14, 15, just hanging out. Like like, he was,   you know, part of it.  

Anyway, he wrote a great book called Heads, which is really the it's like a   I think the tagline is a bio an autobiography of psychedelics,   but it's Okay. Really about the dead scene and how it was just meant to be an economy of,   ideas.   And it's true that Fish inherited it. I don't know that there I don't I don't think I think it's been a long time   since, culturally, Fish has ever carried that torch. And   it may be that, you know, it may be inside of Bitcoin   Right. Where that fire is burning.   Mhmm.   And it may not have nothing to do with drugs.   Right? And so that's but it has everything to do with   network effect   and   sharing   ideas. And so that's what I I find that interesting when we talk   about the connections, and we'll get into it, you know, we'll get into it in the podcast. Right? This has been a lot of context. So,   what was  

[00:15:36] Unknown:

you know so you've been so when was your first fish show then? So when when did you get into it? Yeah. So you mentioned you needed a kind of a group to pull you around, and and I I I am very similar in that regard. So I   I went to Clemson University in South Carolina,   joined a fraternity, not for really fraternity's sake, but more of, like,   what's this hazing about? Like, it was almost like I just wanted to see I just wanted to experience it firsthand rather than hear about it. Once I was in, I was like, this is kinda stupid, but whatever.   Made some good friends. And then there was a pocket there was a pocket full of, I think, kid maybe a year older than me as far as class   that were huge fish fans. You know, at that time, you know, they were probably in the, you know, 60, 70 show count, and this is 1997,   98 ish.  

Yeah. And I happen to be a roommate of one of these guys for a summer, just one summer,   and he would always play fish tapes in his bedroom.   And I wasn't listening to them, but they were on.   And I was never adverse to fish. I, you know, I was exposed to the the, you know, their first studio album right in high school. I just never   never you know, it's it's kinda like Bitcoin. You need a few touch points before you actually  

[00:16:51] Unknown:

dive in. For a little context too, I will say that   1997   fish was sort of like Bitcoin is now. Like, you may know you may or may not   care, but you've definitely heard about it. You've, you know, you've been exposed to it, and you know at least a few people that are insanely into it. Yep. That's   where you were now in Bitcoin.  

[00:17:15] Unknown:

Yeah. Very, very true.   So   that summer,   you know,   because we had been living together maybe 8 weeks at that point,   Lakewood Amphitheater, Atlanta, Georgia, which is about an hour and a half drive in Clemson.  

[00:17:31] Unknown:

Legendary for for their fishes.  

[00:17:34] Unknown:

Yeah. And, yeah, it was July 3rd 4th, and he's like   he did mail order tickets. That's when he did fish ticket. You know, you actually submitted an envelope, and he was a graphic designer. And I don't know if you remember this. There was a time where people would decorate their envelopes   in very elaborate ways to get the attention because there was a human being on the other side of it that was processing requests.   And so he did I I mean, the whole thing was just, like, kinda like, what is going on? Tape trading and   and getting exposed to all that in a very analog way.  

Sending envelopes in via mail, He requested extra tickets, one for me, and I and he he he landed them, and I was at a fish show. It was about a 100 degrees both days.   And   he was a guy that sold t shirts.   He was a graphic designer. Like I said, he worked at that Clemson T shirt shop, and he had this really cool T shirt that I still have. So it's a marble   a marble red pack design. So it goes goes great with there are no k y c cigarettes for sure. Yes. And instead of Marbo, it said Maca Supa. Nice. And then policeman where it says Zoom normally says cigarettes, and it said 4420   dank cigarettes in, at the bottom. Like, it was really, really well done. So I was selling   I was a little bit under the influence, but I was selling t shirts in the lot even though I even sold the shirt that I was wearing.  

So I went into the show with no shirt on.  

[00:19:01] Unknown:

That's awesome.  

[00:19:02] Unknown:

And   so so that was my July 3rd first show experience.  

[00:19:07] Unknown:

Wow. So, yeah, you Jesus. So your first show, you already got into vending?   Like,   I guess okay. So 1999   was already, like   the the scene was very developed.   You had shakedown street. Yep. You had   probably a lot of cops. It's just like you know?   It was already   way, way, way in full full swing. Like, so when I think of   the development of the little things in the scene,   I'd start in 96 with Clifford Ball. That was, like, their first big festival, and that was where they   that's kinda where, you know, you had 50,000 people show up, and then all of a sudden these economies   got created and developed. Yep.  

I mean, you had lots scenes prior to that, but not   as developed and as big   as you would have after that. So   you are now in a developed lot scene at a legendary venue   and ran into   basically, got caught up with   t shirt vendors and ran into the show shirtless.  

[00:20:09] Unknown:

Correct.  

[00:20:10] Unknown:

Yeah. Just I wanna paint this picture for, like, mostly for Bitcoiners who didn't, you know, who weren't alive in the nineties, actually. Just don't even understand,   you know,   what this was. Right? Yes.   Okay. Cool. So   so there's your entree. And what about, like, I mean, I guess, when did   maybe,   talk for a minute about just Muscial. Ly when you when it just grabbed hold of you forever. It's perfect. Because it was that it was that day.  

[00:20:42] Unknown:

Now mind you, it's midsummer, so   I think the, you know, the solstice is in that is in that ballpark. Correct? Yeah. So   anyone that's been to an outdoor concert or a fish in general, you know, they they have a typical timetable, which is, you know   you know, 7 o'clock or 7:30 ticket time, which they usually start, what, like, 33 to 34 minutes after that, whatever the ticket time is, give or take.   But almost the entire first set, because of the time of year, was in the daytime before the lights come on. So there was basically up the whole the whole daytime set was,   the sun was up. Or or sorry. The whole first set, the sun was up. But I can I can point to a very   an exact moment   of when   I it clicked for me?  

And that was   they played taste   somewhere,   you know, latter third of the first set.   And   I'm getting into the music, but then I turned to my left. And the song, you know, the song is kind of an emotional song. It kinda has a a real a real climactic kinda peak and and, you know, a lot a lot of polyrhythms. A lot of it's a lot of cool textures.   Yeah. Right? I look to my left, and there's   a kid who also doesn't have a shirt on,   who's,   you know, dancing to a high degree and is, like, I think almost in tears. He was too far away for me to tell if he was actually in tears.   But that's when I was like, wow. This this music, this scene,   but the most importantly, the music   is connecting with people on a level that I had never seen before.  

And,   it just made me   that much more curious to,   take a look at how that was even possible.  

[00:22:35] Unknown:

It's in yeah. I hadn't thought about this in a really long time, but, like,   I guess I first experienced it at Dead shows. I went to a couple of Dead shows before   before going to my Phish concert.   And, you know, like, what struck me was so was how freely   you could dance.   Like, how freely. And because in our   culture at the time, you just   you know, well, let's just say this. If you were, like, semi autistic,   like, certainly like I am,   you couldn't dance in public without just getting absolutely just brutally destroyed. You know?   And, like, what the fuck are you doing? Is something wrong? Do you need medication? What is going on with you? What part of the what the hell are you doing? And it's not like, you know, you're not dancing. You're not doing, like, the electric slide, or you're not doing any like the cha cha or any known dance move. You are literally like   you put yourself in a space where adventurous music is playing, and you're just moving in rhythm to whatever that is that's going on.  

And, like,   there's something so back from, you know, for me going my whole life worrying about what everything looked like, you know,   as a 19 year old,   being able to be in a space to just   not only not only dance like that, but then   realize at fish shows   that how much I love that music and how much that music meet just is resonating. Like   so one thing I'll just tell Big Horners, I don't know if this is common for fish fans. I think it is. But, like, I feel as though   my brain   was developed in a similar way to Trey's. Like, I just feel that a very connection. I feel like he plays notes that just are direct puzzle pieces   into the kind of sounds my brain looks for. Yep. Okay. It's the only way I can   explain why I've been doing this for so long and why it means so much to me. There's really very few things in the world that I see that look tailor made for how I was built.  

You know, like, I see my children who clearly, like, confront me. Right.   And with the it and when I say love at first note, like, I was in a dorm room and I heard Reba,   and it was   I'm pretty sure it was the   beginning part of Reba. Like, it was the weird beginning part,   and it just first like, it's one of these things. The lights turned on. It made so much sense, and I was like, what is this? Why does this make so much sense?   Like, I think there are some folk songs that had that effect on me. Mhmm. And I think they're just so beautiful, and that's why that happened. This isn't   particularly beautiful music.  

Right?   Like, I really gravitate towards the weirder   I'm a first set guy.   Mhmm. K? It's like, I'm not really a second set guy. I'm a first set guy, and I like a foam. I like Right.   Rip. I like the things like, these things felt like they were rearranging my brain the way it needed to be rearranged, like it was, you know Right. But you're focusing on on the actual songwriting as as as opposed to the type 2, improvisation,  

[00:25:49] Unknown:

2nd set.  

[00:25:50] Unknown:

Yeah. Which I appreciate, and I love being around. And I but for me, like,   when I get FOMO and when I think about the experience, I'm looking to have it at a show.   It's really hearing those brilliant those composed songs that   hit my they you know, that's drugs to me. Right.   It's a certain and very unique way. Just so just so just so you and audience can understand Yeah. You know, who I am in this. And then maybe that explains why I can I'm so analytical about the lyrics and what maybe   it means and what's going on. I am sure something special is happening. So that's what I get you need to understand. Right? Mhmm. I'm sure that's I'm sure something special   like, so I guess you go back in time and you look at these lyrics and you, you know, if you were there in 1992,   1993,   or 1999,   the common,   thought was that these lyrics are nonsense,   and that's part of the aesthetic.  



[00:26:53] Unknown:

Right. It's like 311.  

[00:26:55] Unknown:

Right? It's like, oh, goofy science stuff. Oh, you know,   like Zappa.   Who knows? Maybe we find out one day Zappa was tapped into something lyrically that we never understood, but there's no there's no version of me somewhere really trying to think through it, push through it.   Whereas   I'm you know, I am certain   that   it wasn't nonsense.   And the other yeah. I was just the nonsense is just something we haven't made sense of yet.  

[00:27:26] Unknown:

Right. Yeah. And and, you know,   like poetry sometimes like that. But but let me ask you this as it relates   to you you mentioned,   like, you felt you felt like the music was, like,   made for you,   And   I've drawn some parallels. You've do you think that it has anything to do with the fact that you play guitar, that you're a musician?   Because I I'm Yes. I I wanna draw a little bit of a parallel to Bitcoin. I mean, I will say the answer has to be yes. However,  

[00:27:58] Unknown:

I knew so many non musicians   that felt the same way. Right.   But maybe they   were   they experienced it to the   maximum of their ability, and maybe   maybe I didn't even experience this as much as I should have   had I been a better musician.   Right? Right. A more if I was a more capable and skilled musician, who know I'd probably who knows? I I think the what the   what went on in my head when I heard this,   I don't think necessarily   is because I was a musician.   Okay. Right? Maybe the ability to listen very actively for long periods of time, I think that probably comes from being a musician. And I I get when I say I don't know how non musicians   do it,   okay. Yeah. They they they do drugs. Okay. I get it. Right? But, like, I think a lot of people,   first of all, a lot of people listen to fish that don't are not drug users.  



[00:28:57] Unknown:

Mhmm.  

[00:28:58] Unknown:

My first five shows, I probably was, you know,   smoking a lot of weed. Mhmm. And then   at some point,   it was almost never.   And Yep. I go to   June 23, 95,   Waterloo Village, New Jersey. That was, like, the first show I decided. I, like, I didn't wanna I wanted to be sober and experience it like that.   And I think that let that that started a run of, like, probably 50 shows where   it was like that. And it turned like, you know, that was one of those shows where John John Popper showed up. They did a harpua with him Mhmm. And, pretty legendary.  

[00:29:35] Unknown:

The country horns were around. Right? There was always all kinds of weird things happening. Yeah.  

[00:29:40] Unknown:

So all I'm saying is it wasn't a   drugs were not a central part of the experience for me   at all. Right.   I can think of some moments where they were.   But over the course of 31 years   or however I don't know don't know the math anymore. Mhmm.   Over the course of all that time, I'd say not,   you know,   not a big part of the experience.   Yeah. So   it's but so the ability to focus on   really actively listen.   I watched a video today.   I don't know if you know who Michael Palmasano is.   He's a well known guitar  

[00:30:25] Unknown:

teacher. I should watch I just sent this video to my friends yesterday in their group chat. I know exactly. And and and and he went to his 2nd New Year's. So, yeah, I'll let you continue.  

[00:30:34] Unknown:

So,   I guess   I'll throw in the show notes, I guess, but like it's worth checking out. He's a great he's really good guitar player and really I've been watching him do reaction videos   for I want to say 10 years, and I remember him doing a thing with Humphries. McGee was one of my favorite bands, and he sat in with Jake Sinegar, their guitar player, and they had a really   incredible   conversation, and he reviewed one of their shows, and he's really good at this.   And he's reviewing the Harry Hood from,   12,032,024,   which is a couple weeks ago. Right? Yeah.  

And, I guess the only reason I bring it up is because   he reminded me of something, and it's it's funny watching non people who aren't, like, super engaged when they   when they get some of these little nuggets. Mhmm. He had to pause the video at a certain point, and he said he just, like, sighed. He's like,   He realized that his channel was mostly normies and people who don't don't know Phish, and he just, like, you guys have to understand something about this band.   They require more out of their listener than I think any band that's ever existed.   And I, like, heard that, and I was like, I never thought that.  

I never realized that because it's but it because I'm always   so fucking engaged.   And it's the reason everyone hates fish is because when they're on and I'm listening to it, I just like, shut the fuck up. You know? It's like the watching The Wire or The Sopranos. It's like, dude, why are you trying to talk to me?   Why when this is going on? What the fuck, dude? Right?   So, yeah, this act this notion of active listening. Yep.  

[00:32:14] Unknown:

Well, it's so funny. I actually pulled up my post because   you and I are on the same timeline in a lot of lot of regards. It's it's weird.   So I sent the link to my friend. This is, like, 20 this is my crew that I go to fish shows with. There's, like, 20 people. They're they're all over the country. They're not at every show, but but I I cross paths with them regularly.   And I and I wrote I remember when this guy listened to fish for the first time on his channel. Glad to hear he's been to the last two New Year's Eves.   And,   and then I wrote after after a few minutes, I was like, fish is one of a handful of subcultures   slash experiences that once it clicks   and you finally walk through the door, it closes behind you.  

Every new entrant has a similar experience,   and the OGs radiate sympathetic joy   for it can only happen once for each individual.  

[00:33:09] Unknown:

Yeah. It's pretty cool.  

[00:33:12] Unknown:

And that's Bitcoin too.  

[00:33:14] Unknown:

It does when it gets you, when it grabs you, and I think it's very personal. And you just yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna rewind a little bit and just add a little more   context from my personal history. And so   in 1994,   like, the Internet happened for people on college campuses.   Like, we all found we figured out the Internet existed.   And I was on the IRC   IRC channel called,   pound fish. We didn't know what hashtag was back then, so it was the pound sign.   And we were on EFnet,   and then we had to move to the under net.   But I was my, screen name was Golgi, g o l g I, and that was   it's how a lot of people knew me.  

And that was my email address. That was, like, everything. I just I just went by Golgi, like the way I go by fundamentals. Now I went by Golgi. People at shows would scream Golgi. People there would be signs, like, looking for me. Hey, Golgi. You know? And, like,   it was a beautiful time. I just have to say it was a beautiful time, but, like, being on,   like, IRC   and Usenet, it just like, all of that stuff reminds me of, like, what it is to be in Bitcoin now with the primitive tools.   And,   so it's just very interesting now going through this because I feel like I'm going through this again. So I got into Bitcoin in 2022,   January, right before I went to Mexico.  

Bullish Case with for Bitcoin with me. That was the book I was reading.   And,   you know, that's all I talked about in   Mexico. And,   you know, it it and then that was just the beginning of,   the beginning of this merge this merge, right, of   and maybe it's a torch being passed from in my soul from one to the other, perhaps.   I mean, I still actively listen to Phish. It's just you know? You know?   I sent you a text about a friend of a friend of ours,   a friend of, you know, and I said he's a big Humphreys fan. Somebody who, just somebody who I know in the podcasting game. Right? And then I I kinda thought about it for a second. I'm like, to somebody who is into fish and somebody who goes to fish shows, I guess the next question would be like, well, how many shows has he been to? And but if you're like outside of that group, you just can love a band and go to 0 shows.   Right? Mhmm. But, like, that makes no sense to us.  

So all I'm saying is I'm at this point where maybe I'm not going to fish shows,   but I'm still very much engaged in what the band is doing musically Right.   To the point where I think when I first met you at my meetup,   you talked a lot about 2024   Mhmm. And how I was observing something very new.   At least maybe I was seeing it for the first time, but for me,   this thing about Fishman   really just   something changed for me, and I listened to it. Yeah. And so, you know, we're we're we're still very engaged.   Just in case, you know, the fish guys out there are thinking, like, who's this LARP? It doesn't even go shows anymore.   You know, I'm like, you guys have to understand. So I started this podcast called Rock Paper Bitcoin, and it   really is   this,   it's the spiritual question of, like   I found   discovering Bitcoin made me question every single thing I thought I understood in in life. And   Phish is a big   one. I had you know? So it's just one of those things. I have to it's not the reason I'm not going to shows. It's probably more that I'm 50 years old, and I don't have anybody nudging.  

But, like,   the reality is everything is getting reevaluated. Everything has to get reevaluated   in the system. In Phish, I went through a very deep reevaluation,   and I think that's just sort of what made me relisten   to all the lyrics   and do what I do, which is I find the meaning. I I guess I do find the meaning I'm looking for.   I have very large confirmation bias with regards to that. And so,   you know, look, in order to the way I hold that accountable is I wrote a couple blog pieces. I put it out   for people to read and criticize, and now we're doing a podcast because I it's either going   you're all either gonna tell me I'm a a fucking moron,   and then maybe   it ends there until the band finds it and says, you guys were   you guys were wrong. He was right, which I'm sure that will happen. Right. Or, you know, we at least, it's just a layer of accountability on my mind   and, a fun conversation.  



[00:37:55] Unknown:

Yeah. It's great to chronicle.   You know, we're   trying to keep   at least from my perspective, and I know this is your approach on some of the other stuff that you create is it should be timeless. Like, people should be able to come back to this at any point. It shouldn't be kinda limited to to whatever year, whatever day we're in now.   And   if you don't mind, I do wanna go back to the,   the music part because I I think it's interesting as it relates to fish.   I noticed   when we first started talking,   about the band, about the music.   Yeah. You play guitar. I'm a drummer.  



[00:38:42] Unknown:

Yep.  

[00:38:43] Unknown:

So   I don't know if I could even say the lyrics to any song,   like, entirely   ever.   Like, I'm so not I'm so not I don't care I don't care. It's just something I've just never been naturally drawn to is lyrics.   I've never found meaning in them. I just, like, kind of for me, it's like what Mike what Mike and John are doing   on stage.   That's just where that's that's like, Fishman is what is what made me a fan as a as a percussionist. He's   he's unique to be able to play   improvisationally   with such a talented   cohort   and never   it's just hard as a drummer to follow,   you know, to to to be listening while you're playing. It's just one of those things that is not   not all drummers have the ability to do.  

And,   you know, for me, I there's always something like and I think for Bitcoin, there's,   you know, the early adopters. Let's call us early adopters to fish,   if you will.   There's something about us Certainly 1.0.   Yeah. I think that's I think that's fair. You're you are much earlier than me, and I I I don't wanna take that.  

[00:40:02] Unknown:

Let's say that's not Yeah. For people that don't know. Deep meeting. For this, like, 4 known epochs of fish. 1.0 is basically from their birth up until,   their first hiatus   in 2000.   2.0 was this   kinda comeback from hiatus in 2003, but did not go   well and went to 2004, a permanent hiatus.   And this is relevant because epoch 3 is when Phish comes back in,   2009,   and,   3.0 is basically 2009 through 2020   through the lockdowns, and then 4.0 is where we are now.   I don't have a lot to say about 3.0.  

[00:40:41] Unknown:

Yeah.   4.0 is post COVID. Right? That's the mark. Yeah.   But I think or if you if you wanna look at, like, the early because I think we're in that early like, you mentioned, like, right now is, like, 97   equivalent in 97   fish, the Bitcoin scene.   And I just think it's interesting   because there are certain there are certain archetypes.   There's, you know, the people that were really into fish   were either carryover from the dead.   They just loved the hippie scene.   Some of them are just really into drugs,   and then you had the people that were really there for the music.  

[00:41:20] Unknown:

Yep.  

[00:41:22] Unknown:

And on the Bitcoin side, you had,   because of Silk Road, there's also this kinda drug component.   Yeah.   Some of the early adopters just happened to hold coins   from that from the Silk Road era and and maybe forgot about them. And next next thing you know, they, you know,   the values are up and they're back kind of in the scene. But,   then you have the libertarians,   right, the sound money people, basically.   And I just think it's funny, sound money, and then we're talking about music. It's I just I think that's kind of interesting. But Sound.  

[00:41:55] Unknown:

Sound   Sound of Music.   Refinery. Interesting too. You have engineers. Engineers were early adopters of both. Yeah.   You know, my whole community in FISH was engineers. I was friends with all the tapers,   and they were insane engineers.  

[00:42:12] Unknown:

Right. Yeah. And And you're a math and you're a math guy. I'm a I'm an engineer by degree.   Yeah.   So, again, I just think the parallels are interesting.  

[00:42:22] Unknown:

And the the other parallel the thing that Fish had and that Bitcoin had that, like, the dead and prior didn't have was the Internet.  

[00:42:30] Unknown:

Right.  

[00:42:31] Unknown:

Right. So that and really, I when I came into Bitcoin, I I really thought to myself, like, this community could could use   the experience and the lessons from   what Fish's fans did. And   my   assessment of where we are in Bitcoin is more like 95, and I'm gonna say I'm gonna tell you why.   We are on the like, because we're on the precipice   of   95.   I did 6 shows this summer 95, and I think about it all the time. I think about   so the final show was Sugar Bush in Vermont   on July 3, 1995.   K? 4 years before your first show. Right. How about that? But more interestingly,   about 35 days before Jared Garcia died Mhmm. Nobody I think about all the time how none of us really knew what was about to happen   during that summer tour. We just had no idea   that Jared Garcia was about to die.  

I mean,   everybody knew he was gonna die soon all the time for probably, you know,   the 8 to 10 year period that preceded that, but   we didn't you know, we're sitting there not knowing   that things are gonna change   so drastically.   K?   And I feel like that's where we are   right before the inauguration   of   the blah blah blah, the president,   all that stuff. But, like, you know, there are things happening in the world that is   looks like it's about to unleash   a massive cohort of people interested in this thing, which is sort of where we were sitting   summer 95   without realizing. That's the last beautiful, innocent times.  

And maybe, like, when our meetups are sort of like that right now before things get   truly, truly crazy.  

[00:44:24] Unknown:

Right. Where where, like, Bitcoin is then ubiquitous. Right? Like, every as the as the meme goes, then every company is a Bitcoin company. Right? It's just it's just it's not.  

[00:44:35] Unknown:

Yeah. And it's also, like,   Bitcoin hasn't really figured out   mastery yet of what it's doing.   You   know? 95 was the road   to,   I think, achieving their dream.   Right? Mhmm. It it was   the culminated in Madison Square Garden headlining   to, you know, and,   probably one of the great tours they've that's they've ever had.   But what's and, you know, the contrast with Bitcoin, though, I think is, like, Bitcoin is global. It's FISH is distinctly not global.   FISH was strictly a US   phenomena.   Not that there haven't been   you know, 90   96,   97, those European tours were great. Mhmm. But   fish was not a thing in really anywhere outside the US, not even in Canada.  

So I just find that's a you know, I'll just say that's a interesting   nugget.  

[00:45:40] Unknown:

You know, you know, I've thought I I have some notes that   I I think I shared with you since we've talked about   this idea of getting together, talking about fish,   and maybe some Bitcoin   related stuff.   I've been I just had random thoughts that I've been opening up my phone and writing down.   Mhmm. But one of them was the fact   it's funny you mentioned that Fish is not they didn't have an Internet. They didn't have global success.   They're not globally known, where Bitcoin is clearly   a global money. Like, no ifs, ands about it. And it's Right. It's it's a it's a it's a it's a bottom up,   you know,   network.  



[00:46:21] Unknown:

You could take people everywhere. Out of it, and it would make no difference.  

[00:46:26] Unknown:

Right.   And but I the fact that music   if you take lyrics out, music in general,   there's a few there's a few things on earth or that humans   there are few there are very few things that that   humans use that is universal   no matter   where you are.   And I and I guess we could break it down in, like, communication. Right? We have we all have language.   Music is every there's music in in every culture   right there. I don't think there's there's any that doesn't, even the indigenous ones that are, you   know, insulated from modern modern civilization.  

[00:47:08] Unknown:

Probably plant even the plant kingdom.  

[00:47:11] Unknown:

And then there's money.  

[00:47:13] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[00:47:14] Unknown:

You know, that's a communication method. Right? You're communicating value.   You know, obviously, all the Bitcoiners and the libertarians, you know, know the, you know, the time value of money and   and, the coincidence of needs and, you know, what   what what it serves.   And I you know, to comment on your thing about Phish not being global,   yeah, I think if they tour because there's such a   you know, they just like Bitcoin, Phish doesn't really have a marketing department.   You know, there's no CEO of Phish.   Where   some some bands, you know, they they kinda do, whether it's the record label   or or,   you know, they start,  

[00:47:53] Unknown:

Yeah. Like, the Red Hot Chili Peppers,   like,   have massively   sold out shows, like, on the deepest corners of the world. Right.   So you right? Somehow.  

[00:48:06] Unknown:

And I think if Phish continued to do that, and I just don't think that's the lifestyle they wanted to lead as they got older, You know, nineties but they didn't they did Europe 97, 98, and they were playing small clubs for the most part right under a 100 I mean, under a 1000 people. Too. Yeah. Yeah. The Japan thing was a big deal.   Yeah. That, yeah, that 2,001's amazing.   So I don't know. Like, I I I think if if  

[00:48:29] Unknown:

it's It's more of a fact. It's just more of just a statement of contrast  

[00:48:33] Unknown:

Yeah. That,  

[00:48:35] Unknown:

it wasn't in the cards.   And it and but you know what?   It's not over.   Like and may it's it mean it could be that Bitcoin is the thing that makes them a global band   one day.   But, you know, the 41 year history so far is that they're not. They're not. That's correct. That's all. And Bitcoin is very it's a it's it's a more of a just a statement of contrast.   Like, you know, look. Like, I talk about with the Grateful Dead, like, fish will never ever have the cultural significance of the Grateful Dead.   Dead. And they're because that's just not what they were there to do. Right.   You know? They were there. In my opinion, it's just it's basically they were there   to be for   to to be for each other and their friends   and to make this thing as great as possible and last forever for them and their friends.  



[00:49:30] Unknown:

Right.  

[00:49:30] Unknown:

And,   like, the choices they made   in the 2000 reflect that. Right? The choice they made to stop touring in 2004 and go on permanent hiatus,   and, eventually, whatever it was they all went through   Yeah. Reflected a desire to live.   Right? Whereas, you know, like, the dead never made those choices.   The dead were, like,   you know, like Chris Farley's agent. Like,   you know, show doesn't stop. We nothing stops. Nothing stops this train. Right? Right. Right.   And,   you know,   say what you want about there's a lot of dead projects, but, you know, the Grateful Dead died with Jerry Garcia. And, you know, as far as I'm concerned,   I've enjoyed some of them. You know? I've have enjoyed a lot of it, but   the soul of Jerry Garcia   is something that is is not is irreplaceable.  

And they be they then became something else. Yep. So   and, you know, I haven't put a I put a little bit of thought into the Grateful Dead and their lyrics in Bitcoin. I'm not seeing   I'm not really seeing it. K? But I am seeing it with fish. And,   you know, maybe with all of that   setup,   if anyone is actually, you know, if anyone's actually still with us here, 50 minutes in,   why don't we get into should we get into a little bit of content maybe, and we'll sort of tease out the kinds of conversations we're gonna have? And I'm gonna be mostly   referring   to, the 2 blog posts that I've written on this that, you know, anyone can go read.  

Mhmm. And,   I think maybe I'll just hit a couple of   couple of big ones   before we   before we sign off and, you know, figure out what we wanna do here. What do you think? Sounds good.   Okey dokey.   So I'm go going right into the first thing in my blog post because   it's the first thing   that hit me. It's the first like,   there was a genesis moment for me   when I said, wait a second. This could be a thing.   Okay?   For, you know, for for the most part, I'd never thought much of their lyrics.   Right?   And when I got into Bitcoin, I certainly wasn't listening for any signal there. But something hit me like a ton of bricks,   and maybe it's because my name was Golgi,   and that was my identity. That was my NIM. That was my NIM for a really long time.  

You know, we just go right to it. I look into the finance box just to check my status, 1986.   You know,   what's a finance box? Yeah.   What is that? Right? Is it I mean, in 1986,   you the closest thing that would be   would be you go to a bank and look in a safety deposit box. Mhmm. And so We're we're like one of those metal, like, with the little shitty key that right? The  

[00:52:42] Unknown:

the Yeah. Where you'd see at, like, a   a little league baseball game where they're selling snacks.  

[00:52:49] Unknown:

Yeah. A strong box or something or a safe. Right? You might you might open a safe and say, oh,   it's a cool lyric. I look into the finance box just to check my status.  

[00:52:59] Unknown:

I never knew that was the lyric until you pointed that out to me. I didn't know. I you know, just to just to point out, I I I didn't know what they what that lyric was.  

[00:53:10] Unknown:

And checking my status,   like, when you put it in the context of a Bitcoin node, right,   you know, you truly do know your status. It's just I don't know. There's something   kinda   universal and truthful that just hits me with that lyric. But then it's it was the next line   that got me, and I'm gonna lose everyone when I get when I go into   this. Whatever.   The next line is I look into the microscope.   I see Golgi apparatus.   Okay.   So you've got   this first line that's something you can't really do, right, until   until you have a decentralized,   immutable   money that can be that every unit can be audited at any moment in time. Right? So, like, that's   you can't have that until you have this. And then you have this connection   to   looking in a microscope and seeing Golgi apparatus.  

Right?   So,   you know, it's like, you know, maybe you got Trey just he saw Golgi apparatus. He's like, I wanna write a song.   I wanna write a song   that uses that word.   Right? So what what rhymes Golgi apparatus?   Status. Okay. So maybe that's what happened. Right? But,   you know,   Golgi apparatus   is part   of mitochondria,   and mitochondria   is   the decentralized   network of   cells.   It's a it's a decentralized   network inside ourselves, inside our body that makes energy.   And,   you know,   there's an incredible parallel with Bitcoin and the Bitcoin mining and what Bitcoin does all over the world, which is decentralized   power gen you know, really   searching for,   search for cheaper power and and decentralized   prioritization   of value around cheaper power   around the world. Okay? So you have mitochondria   doing this,   you know.  

I don't know if most people know this, but mitochondria has its own DNA.   So, like, most people think that your DNA comes from both your parents. Right?   And it's true. That's called nuclear DNA. That's the DNA inside your cells.   But mitochondria has its own DNA that you only get from your mom.   And what mitochondria does, by the way, not to you know, mitochondria is is   has its own DNA that adapts   to what's going on in the environment.   And it may actually   it's kinda   like your nuclear DNA is your central g n DNA. That's like the government. Right? That's like Washington DC, you know, fig you know, with instructions on what happens in Ames, Iowa.   Right? Mitochondrial DNA is like more like the mayor of Ames, Iowa  

[00:56:09] Unknown:

Mhmm.  

[00:56:10] Unknown:

Trying to figure out really what's best over there.   And that's what that's what goes on inside of our body. Okay?   And so I see these two sentences together. I look into the finance box just to check my status. I look into the microscope and see Golgi apparatus.   So, like, I see a decentralized   network   of energy now   somehow related to looking into a finance box and check my status. I'm sorry. I'm not ignoring this.   I mean, am I I mean, you know, feel free  

[00:56:43] Unknown:

to feel free to tell me how stupid that is. No. I think it's great. I'm just trying to limit my, my tendency to go down go down the, you know, the mitochondrial health rabbit hole, which isn't isn't the scope today. So we'll just we'll just leave it there. Okay. I'm gonna continue in the song. So the next they call him lysosome  

[00:57:01] Unknown:

because he runs so fast.   So this was like I mean, I could tell you. It's it was a lot of fun hearing words like this in fish songs.   You know, in the nineties,   if you if you grew up, you're Gen X, and you were born in the early seventies,   you went through   a period of time where lyrics, for the most part, in songs were pretty serious.   You know? You had bands that wanted to be socially conscious,   and, like,   it was almost like,   you know,   ESG, DEI, and stuff, like, before all the formal stuff. Before really political correctness came through, you had bands that just felt pressure to,   you know, say things. Like, U2 is really known for Mhmm. Being socially conscious. Right? And, you know, you had all this this MTV generation.  

The songs were really serious.   And then you had Phish coming in with, you know,   just total what occurred to be nonsense. It was refreshing. There was something that contrasted with what was going on on in the world.   It was very, like, refreshing.   So what about this line about lysosome?   Right? Because you run so fast. So I just make the point in the paper that,   you know,   beneath the surface is you have money that moves the speed of light.   Right?   I'm reading I'm, like, reading off my blog right now, but I said, with Bitcoin, money can be sent instantly from Trey's barn in Vermont to Club Quattro in Japan   with no government in the way to stop it.  

And the signal is brought home in the chorus, I saw   you.   I saw you   with a ticket stub in your hand.   So, like, you know that line. Right? I saw you with a ticket stub in your hand. That is the bringing home   of everything going on in Golgi apparatus   is   this accusation   that I saw you with the ticket stub in your hand. Right? Like, I caught you. Yeah. I caught you red handed.  

[00:59:02] Unknown:

With the emphasis,   at least the way I always interpret that lyric is, like,   it's a accusatory.   It's like you cannot get to I saw you.   Like, I got you.   Yeah. I caught you with a ticket stub in your hand. That's right. Like, you you got got.  

[00:59:21] Unknown:

And,   basically,   I validated this.   Right?   This was something I can validate. I have so much conviction that I'm gonna accuse you of this now. Right?   And I write, in 1986, you had to physically possess an asset to own the right to use it. And a ticket stub   is a claim of ownership,   and it's the ultimate form of currency at a Phish concert.   You know, this I saw you with a ticket stub in your hand is it speaks to the Phish culture. Right? It's like the thing that we   understand   from a   from a currency standpoint. We understand ticket stubs.  

[01:00:01] Unknown:

Yeah. It was your permission to enter the the concert.  

[01:00:05] Unknown:

Right. So Right.   So now, like, they bring in this notion   of,   like,   almost physicalness. Like, I am proving. I am I have a statement of truth, and I'm I can prove it. Right?   And then,   finally, it's these last little throwaway   line where he says, under the light, middle of the night, couldn't get it wrong.   So,   you know, we have under the light, meaning we can now see it. Right?   Like, now it's on you   know,   so Bitcoin,   their money the money like, we can shine a light on the money now, and we can see it. We can see all of it. We can see all the Bitcoin in the world. Right?   I would say middle of the night maybe refers to the fact that Bitcoin could be traded in the middle of the night, and your own money cannot.  

Right? Markets are closed   almost all the time, and Bitcoin is not. You can trade peer to peer   any time of day,   even in the middle of the night. And then that last little line, couldn't get it wrong.   Couldn't get it wrong.   In trays like testosterone   filled voice,   right,   which is just like conviction.   Right?   Absolute certainty.   I say here it's the icing on the cake. It represents the certainty and the conviction associated   So good. With Bitcoin. Right? With owning Bitcoin. So,   you know, Golgi apparatus is,   right now, it's my magnum opus of this subject.   And I think it gets   it'll continue to get interesting.  

I think we will continue to delve into the blog. I would encourage people to go read it.   You know, this is the first episode.   I don't know what we'll do if we put music around it. I feel like fish pod people who listen to fish podcasts expect to hear clips.   You know? Yeah. And I would like a way I would love Bitcoin people   to hear some fish clips too. I just   no. That's   it's unclear right now. It's unclear to me how to do that.   I feel like I gotta throw a Golgi apparatus. Maybe we'll throw a Golgi apparatus to Throw a Golgi apparatus. In the show.   Yeah.  

You know, anything you wanna   you wanna hit here before we wrap it? No. I I just wanna say,  

[01:02:36] Unknown:

this is a lot of fun. And,   you know, I think we   I think it's important that we I think it's important for everyone in a way   in whatever way that you're able to   get the message out to a new a new audience   about this technology that, you know, fundamentals and I believe is literally going we're on the precipice of it becoming   a global   sort of tipping point as it relates to human flourishing. And,   you know, study Bitcoin. That's my message.  

[01:03:11] Unknown:

Hell, yeah. Alright.   Peace.   See you.