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Morning. Morning. Morning. So would we. We're gonna attempt to do a little bit of that,   here today again on the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales. It's the   thirteenth.   Well, it's Thursday, the thirteenth.   And,   here we are. We got some other friends that help us,   extend our reach around the globe, El Mundo.   And,   we wanna give them proper credit, so we bring out one three b. That is Big Ball's Beaner.  

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And Yep. That is an issue.  

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Yep. He as he even admits to it, and then, he's the one that is the keeper   of said platforms. And,   we want to always give them not only recognition, but, of course, credit   for hepin hepinus hepinus, as they say down south. So if you would, please, 3 B, hit it on.  

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Hey. I will do that.   Thank you. Good morning.   We're, of course, on eurofolkradio.com.   That is our flagship station. Thanks to pastor Eli James. He brings that one to us.   We're on Global Voice Radio Network.   The links for   Eurofolk   and   Global Voice Radio Network are on the   matrixdocs.com,   as well as the link to join us, using free conference   call that is FCC.   That's the good FCC,   not the bad one, not the bad evil, rotten   DSO or whatever.   We're also on one zero six point nine WBOU   FM in Chicago, terrestrial radio,   and we're on   Euro Folk Radio.  

No. Not Euro Folk. We're on radiosoapbox.com.   See that? You know, you think I'd I'd have this handled. I've been doing this every day for, like, two years.  

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Right.  

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Anyway,   we're also thanks to WDRN productions and the NET family of broadcast services, Fort Collins, Colorado.   We're on homenetwork.TV,   freedom nation TV, go live TV, and stream life Tube. They they bring all those platforms to us as well.   Don't forget today is Thursday. It is Thursday, the thirteenth. Thank god it's not Friday, the thirteenth,   because I just don't think I could handle any more drippage.   I just don't. No drippage. And I would expect that to happen.   Don't forget PaulEnglish live 3PM   Eastern today.  

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Busy today. Englishlive.com.  

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Yep. Busy day today. Yeah. Go to PaulEnglishlive.com   for all the links   to get there. Yeah. Absolutely.  

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Well, that's good. Thank you, Paul. And,   I guess there's there's obviously a lot of things happening. I did, so it will let me know when you can open that up and we can dip in. And I've got a little bit. Thanks, Tom. Thanks to Tom Dee,   on the latest Andy Shechtman interview with Dumagin. They're done again.   About the things that are shifting. Well, his his name's Dumagin, but he could be   he could have a slip and say dumb again.   But he's pretty sharp guy.   Anyway, he's going over some of these things that we've mentioned earlier this week on things that like, Shekman's very,   very successful in this industry. You know? If you're not familiar with it, he   started this with his father,   thirty five years ago. And,   his father, of course, passed away, and he's   done excellent. He does good business, and he really knows what's going on. And, I've really enjoyed listening to the guy when he's interviewed.  

So we've got the latest. It was done yesterday, as a matter of fact.   And I thank Tom for   bird dogging that out and sending it to me this morning.   But we're gonna play that whenever Paul can get Skype open with his limited resources and,   get that. We'll probably listen. We'll listen to the whole thing, list the first twenty minutes or so. Twenty, twenty two minutes.   Mhmm. Paul, you know that a bunch of your folks there were indicted overnight. Did you know that?  

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Oh, yeah. Yeah. A bunch of them because they're refusing to,   to to let loose the goods on the, identities of people in New York that may be illegal.  

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Yep. Oh, yeah. And, it was,  

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it was that bitch, the the black bitch attorney general,   and I   what's her name? Did anybody do you remember it, Paul?  

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Not a client.  

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She's the one of the I just need a client.   What go ahead. Again, please?  

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Leticia James.  

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Yeah. Leticia James. Thank you, Joe.   That bitch, well, he she's one of them. Hochul's another one and   maybe a couple others. I'm not sure. But I know that Pam Bondi came out and brought one of the mothers who'd lost her daughter to   a murdered 13 victim,   up there to talk for a minute. It wasn't a very long press conference that I saw.   But, anyway, so that's going on. And already, boom, two weeks. She just got confirmed a couple of days ago and and,   is already thrown out indictments.   Good for you, Bondi.   Her only   blemish   appears to be that when she I think she was the attorney general of Florida is,   how she, came to recognition.  

And, one of the things that one of the shootings down there, I think the school shooting,   she was in favor of red flag laws, and that's what people say she somewhat compromised on   second amendment.   I doubt if that would be the same   now, but we'll see.   Anyway,   that happened overnight. I thought that was interesting.   And,   gosh, there's just so much going on, and   I think, Robert Kennedy is about to be confirmed today.   Oh, boy. That's gonna shake the monkeys up. You know? And I keep thinking about I keep thinking. Oh, are y'all always gonna shake them up bad? See? I keep thinking about Andrew Hitchcock's book, you know, synagogue of Satan,   and he's the one that found the quote in there if you've never heard this. Or we don't hear from Andy too much. I think he's taken care of his,   of his mom.  

We he used to be right on before us here on EuroVoke, and I could hear a show every day.   But that has,   gotten adjusted around, and I think he's taken care of his elderly mother now. But Andy's a great guy. I've interviewed with him a couple of times.   And,   he is the one on the synagogue of Satan book   that found the quote,   Paul, of, when the Spanish Jews in 1898,   I guess, the ones that were still in Spain after the inquisition   in 1492,   Columbus, the Jew Columbus left.   And, they wrote to the Sanhedrin, one of the I guess, the Sanhedrin still exists as in the Jewish community.   It was just one of the ruling bodies that was around when Jesus was fighting them.  

He mentions them. And, the Sanhedrin   who which was at this point located in Istanbul,   Constantinople,   and said, well, what do we do about this dilemma we've got here? And they wrote them back, and they said,   make your children apothecaries   so they can kill Christians.   That that was 1498.   Okay?   So that's what we're dealing with, and, Robert Kennedy is gonna shake up those monkeys pretty good at Peterson.   Good good on him. And and I think they're gonna   try and get Cash Patel in maybe tomorrow.   But it looks like all three of those, the real controversial ones, and, of course, Tulsi was   installed yesterday,   sworn in, and, by Bondi who just done it before she did that press conference. It's the reason she was late, actually.  

So,   yep. The times, they are a changing   as mister Bob Dylan would say, and it appears now   that they're changing for the positive.   So, does anybody have any by any chance, we you know, the show really is for new students.   And but I I don't usually, we don't have a lot of them that wanna step forward, but I always want you to know that the show's for those folks to try and get them   started off in a confusing situation and get them get them unconfused and on the straight and narrow a little bit. So if there's any of you guys, you new newer folks that have got a question, let's entertain that now.   And,   we'd love to hear from you, meet you, and find out what you got as a question and help you get straightened out. And if there's not any of those, then we   kinda go off onto other events that are topical and timely.  

And, boy, we certainly got a lot of those.   I just   every day that goes along, I like Elon Musk better. K?   And, I used to not have any opinion on him. They say he's the richest man in the world. Come on. I hope none of our people buy that. I was at lunch or somebody at lunch the other day said,   oh, but he's the richest man in the world. I said, you don't believe that crap, do you?   Come on. You know? He's probably pretty wealthy, but he's far from the richest man in the world.   Paul, I did have an interesting experience.   I forgot to tell you all about it after yesterday's brisk conversation show.  

But, we've got a guy down here. He's a nice guy. I've talked about him before a little bit. He's got a real a great name, Lars.   I mean, that's a great male name. Right? Lars.   Like, oh, there's several that are that are good. That's a good one. Anyway, his name's Lars. He was raised   above, one of the towns on the coast there above San Francisco on the on the Left Coast. So, obviously, he's lefty oriented.   Just a nice guy. You know? He's retired.   I I'm gonna tell you from where in a second. He's married to a gal.   I think she's Ecuadorian, but she got a gig here at the United Nations. It's got a UN's got   a office up in Quito, and she works with them. So they're they're married. And,   Lars used to work for USAID.  

And so I've known that for a long time. We've I think, I've told y'all that. We get in discussions on something that come up, and I told him one time. I said, you know, Lars,   I could I could beat you like a baby seal on this. Okay?   But I just like you too much. I don't wanna cause that adversity because he's a really nice guy. He's he's a guy that if you met him and just start talking with him, you go, boy, that guy make a really good diplomat. You know? And, that's what he was for all these years. He hadn't he hadn't lived in The US in over thirty years.   K? And so, he doesn't come often   occasionally to the lunches. And,   so we Tuesday, he was there. And there's a seat opens next to him. And so I went in and put my hand on his shoulder and came up behind him. I said, that sure is a bunch of scoundrels you worked with.  

And he didn't even turn his he didn't even turn his head. He said, it would appear so.  

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Okay.   I did get Skype up.   I don't have a message from you,   since Saturday.   So double check and make sure that that it sent it.   Really? So and and if it didn't work that way,   I don't know. I can see. Hold on. Alright. Hold. Hold. Oh. Oh. Let me see if I can get it. Okay.   Well, Skype was really reluctant to run it. Seeing  

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it. Inside  

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Skype is   Yeah. In Transcendental. Declare.  

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Okay.   If not, it isn't there.   Well, you got some problems with Skype then, Paul.   Let's see.  

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Of course. I do.  

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Okay. Well, there it is. See if it   Hello? Yes, sir?  

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There's a link in the chat.  

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Okay. There's a link in the chat to it, too, Paul. If you didn't get us, send it twice to you.   So if not, I can send it by email. Check the chat room. It's insiders   demand   gold back   from   London. Insiders demand gold back from London is the title of the video.  

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Okay.   Which chat is it in? FCC or what?  

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FCC.  

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No kidding. I sent it twice to you, and it didn't. Now why then would I come back and use Skype? Well, it's got the link that we hook up with, and I use that every day, and that works fine. But do you Yeah. You didn't get either one of those two?  

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I didn't know. I didn't get Don't You didn't get either one. Don't Here we go. I just love Bill Gates. I just love Bill Gates. Welcome back to Liberty and Finance. We're always delighted to have this wildly popular returning guest. Andy Schechtman is the CEO of Miles Franklin Precious Metals. He joins us for this weekly market update. Today is Wednesday, 02/12/2025.   Andy, thank you for coming back on Liberty and Finance. Good to see you, brother. Thanks for having me, Don again. There has been a lot breaking loose in our world.   I mean, you just know don't know where to start politically, geopolitically, financially, monetarily, etcetera. One of the things we need to focus on here with our with our gang is the the group of changes that are all coming at this at us at the same time, and this is relating to   outflows, physical outflows like we may have never seen before from both the London Bullion Exchange, the Comex in New York, and all kinds of cover stories perhaps that are being floated as far as why this is happening, but a lot of those don't hold water. It may be that something a lot bigger is going on. We've spoken with both Alastair MacLeod, former bank director, as well as Gregor Mannarino, training coach, and they both say they think that this is spelling the the end of the ability of these exchanges to function   in a orderly manner given the amount of scramble for physical gold that is happening from the top of the food chain all the way down while at the retail level. The ordinary,   moms and pops are fairly oblivious still. Sleep still sleep well. Fairly. That's a nice way of saying it. Yeah. Fairly well anesthetized,   by the siren song of just, you know, nothing to see here, folks. Go back to sleep. While the the those at the top of the food chain are gobbling up the physical precious metals.  

We'll talk about the implications of that on ordinary people's opportunities,   later on. But right now, we wanna get your view because you study these things and you have a a very deep, pool of ways of connecting the dots and looking at,   intuitively   at what's going on behind the scenes. So can you bring us into   the inner circle of Andy Shechtman,   thinking on what's going on on this scramble for physical between London and New York and why people need to be aware of that so that they can make good decisions as a little man? I appreciate the kind words.  

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Yeah. My head hasn't stopped swimming   about this for a couple of days, and   I don't know. Either I'm on something or I'm on to something. I don't know. I I don't think it's I think the Trump tariff thing is a ruse,   honestly.   I think it's a scheme   that he is using for other reasons. And if you'll indulge me, Dunnigan, you know, once in a while on your show, I get on these rants, and it's hard for me not to rant about this to in order to set the stage properly. I I and for those people who've heard me talk about this over the last twenty four hours,   well, this will be redundant because this is all I'm focusing on right now,   and I think it's much bigger than people think.  

Let me look at the moves that he's been making that are shocking everyone. Right? And and rightfully so.   So much of of what he is doing   is bringing back   the ideals of this country largely, you know, meritocracy   over lifestyle and all the things that I have ranted about as someone who's   built success by outworking and and doing it from nothing, from scratch, that the concept of lifestyle over merit bothered me. And these things are ingratiating   him, and and I think people are shocked   at what they're seeing. And   part of me feels like we haven't seen anything yet in terms of shock.  

So let's kinda set the stage just a little bit and work our way through it, and you tell me if you think these dots connect as well.   On your show,   for a very long time   since 2020,   I have spoken with you about,   the tier one revision of gold. That's where it all started. Late twenty nineteen, we're talking gold being revised as tier one and the significance of that.   Along the lines of tier one revision, we talked about the central banks that front ran that.   Obviously, they were told by the BIS that gold will be revised. In 2017,   starting with the Bundesbank, we had all the central banks repatriate their gold. The Bundesbank,   Bank of Hungary, Turkey, Poland, the Czech National Bank, the Dutch National Bank, the Bank of Austria.  

They all brought their gold back and then went on a buying spree, buying more gold in 2018 than they did combined in the sixty years previously.   And then 2019, they doubled that amount, and then, lo and behold, miraculously, gold was revalued. And and it was revalued as the only other tier one asset in the world.   And that's really the bottom line why the central banks have been buying it and repatriating   it is that it's it's on par with treasuries, but doesn't have the drawbacks of the treasury market, largely inflation risks,   default risk, sanction risk, which have all proven to be wise decisions by the banks   and the big central banks that have accumulated gold and shed   US Treasuries, and that's been going on for quite some time. We've talked about that. Now I'm gonna warn you. Get out of there, little guy. I have a puppy that likes to pull on the cord of my monitor. Hopefully, I don't have to go grab her because I hear her back there. Anyways,   so largely   through all these years through the stupidity of our suppression, The United States has been a net exporter of gold.  

The gold was leaving the COMEX, and so was the LBMA   leaving.   And we surmised, and it's funny when when there was a huge,   amount of gold shipped out of the exchanges in in 2024,   I think, might have been '23.   The article from Bloomberg is, like, about 40% of it, we're not sure who who bought it. Well, the same thing is happening here today. They say a lot of the gold that's flowing, the majority of it, they don't know who's buying it. And a lot of that is because these countries are buying through sovereign wealth funds, which don't need to be reported to the IMF the way that it would if the,   the PBOC bought it or the the, you know, any of the central banks. They have an obligation to report it, and we've we've talked about how they've been sidestepping and skirting that by not reporting it. Oh, sorry. We made a mistake. Saudi Arabia and China,   articles say they've been buying 10 times the amount of gold,   than they report. And, of course, we've talked a lot about the rise of the others, and I discovered that in 2020 with you, how the commitment of traders report that comes out of the COMEX, the publishing of the largest traders on the COMEX, has always been two sided. One   was the the the speculators or the hedge funds and the other was the commercials. Commercial specs. One goes long, one goes short. And we saw in 2020, all of a sudden, the COMEX published a third   branch or through third group of reportables called the others, sovereign wealth funds, and they've been slowly draining these exchanges.  

We've talked about that ad nauseam   on your show. And   so for the past several years, due to the stupidity of the previous administration,   letting the metals continue to be suppressed,   they had created a situation where the cupboards were being emptied in very creative ways. And we see the creativity where China goes directly to the the miners and buys dore and concentrates, so it's not recorded. And through sovereign wealth funds or if the People's Liberation Army buys, it's not reported.   We haven't updated our gold holdings since or audited since '56. No one wants to tell anyone   how much gold they're buying, but by and large, it was   undisputable.  

The United States was a net exporter of gold.   Something   is changing   at a   level that I have never seen   ever   in thirty five years of business, ever. Never. And I think it's really important that we kinda dig into it and look at a bigger picture. Before I do that,   let's remember what   a few things that we've also talked about. We talked about   Judy Shelton   and her book. And I interviewed Judy, and and she talked about her desire to make fifty year treasuries   backed by gold.   And that she said, you know,   Trump and I discussed it in 2016   as she was his,   nominee to run the Federal Reserve, although not confirmed, still was an adviser.  

And I suppose she'll probably end up being on the Federal Reserve Board during his   administration, maybe even taking over   for,   Powell. We'll see. But she said, Andy, Trump will issue most likely fifty year treasuries backed by gold   in July 4 on 07/04/2026,   the two hundred and fiftieth year anniversary   of, the country.   And of course, I asked her about auditing Fort Knox and she said it should be done. The the excuses that have been given are stupid where The United States spend a few million bucks. Their their their quest or their concerns over logistics are stupid. Let's get it done. It will inspire confidence. She said that. I said, Judy, do you know gold is held in in an account called the gold revaluation account? We've talked about this on your show a lot. That's the name of the account that all these central banks hold their gold in, the revaluation account. We've talked about how the head of the Dutch National Bank says give us give us the ability to revalue gold to offset our liabilities.   Members of the Bundesbank, give us the ability to revalue our gold to,   normalize our balance sheet, offset our liabilities. Cynthia Loomis,   the senator from Wyoming who advocates for revaluing gold in the gold revaluation account   to pay for the strategic Bitcoin account. She said that in Tennessee, all of this should not be new news   to everyone.  

Scott Pesent, the treasury secretary, just came out the other day and said, you know, gold is my largest personal holding. We've talked about that. But what we haven't talked about is he said, I wanna monetize the asset side of the balance sheet. He just said that yesterday or the day before. Now   what we have talked about on your show is the stupidity and the and the nausea,   the that that   washes over someone when they look at The United States balance sheet. Our government has about 5,000,000,000,000 in assets, the largest of which is student debt. We've talked about that. About 40% of the asset base in The United States is the debt of our children, which you can't even bankrupt yourself out of. A law was passed half a dozen years ago or so that says even if you file bankruptcy, they'll take your Social Security.   So that's our largest asset. We can't monetize that. Well, next is military, military bases and planes and bullets.  

Can't really monetize that. Next is land. I suppose we could. But how about the gold held in the gold revaluation account? And I asked Judy, do you think they'll revalue gold? She's not in so many words, said yes. I do. I do think that they will. And and and others that I've asked that I've interviewed with or or interviewed and usually, the question I ask, do you think it'll happen all at once or slowly? Most of the people say slowly like we've been seeing up and up and up and up, which is gaining no attention by anyone mainstream   whatsoever. Maybe we'll see. But let's now talk about what you're talking about. I wanna lay the the foundation.  

How many people know that   since November,   the unite since November. What happened in November? Oh, yeah. It was the election. Right?   Since November,   the United States has become a net importer of gold.   Not since   the inauguration,   but since November.   Are people in the know understanding what's coming? So since November, we've become a net importer of gold. JPMorgan is set to deliver 4,000,000,000 in gold to the COMEX for the February contract,   one of the largest shipments ever. Now who's got that kind of bread? Now Blythe Masters used to run their trading desk, and there are videos out there of her saying JPMorgan does not buy for a house account. They buy for clients. What kind of clients got 4,000,000,000 to drop on gold? Could it be   the Federal Reserve or the US government?  

One of the largest shipments ever.   Since November 12 and a half million ounces of gold and over 40 to 45,000,000   ounces of silver have moved   from the London vaults to The US vaults because everyone is saying it's tariffs.   To me, it appears that the Federal Reserve is accumulating federal excuse physical gold and silver   for a bigger reason, maybe part of a sovereign wealth fund strategy,   maybe something bigger. Now we talk about London, and   we look at London,   and they are supposed to be t plus one settlement. They're now t plus six to eight weeks. That's not that's a default. Give me my gold in one day. No. It's gonna be six to eight weeks. What? What what do you mean six to eight weeks? It's t plus one. Sorry. We're backed up.   BS.  

They're backed up. Something's bigger   happening right here in front of us. Get this.   When you talk about signs of stress in the paper gold system,   The February contract on Comex   has seen deliveries,   stand for delivery of 59,296   contracts.   That is by far   the largest delivery ever   at Comex. The previous record was in the middle of the QE to to Infiniti nausea in June 2020. It was forty seven thousand one thirty two.   This is 12,167   contracts   more than the largest ever. That's 5,929,600   ounces. Try multiplying that times 2,900   and your your calculator will go e. It's too big for your calculator   to tell you what the number is.  

$2,740.07   silver contracts in February, '4 hundred and '20 '7 tons, 13,735,000   ounces, all coming   to New York because of the tariff threat, or is it the tariff that could it be a ruse perhaps?   Along those same lines,   somewhere in the neighborhood of November, you know, I always bitched about the fact that JPMorgan paid a $920,000,000   fine for manipulating the metals market and somehow   still got to be the custodian of the world's largest silver trust, SLV, they in BlackRock. Amongst other ETFs that they own in London and around the world,   gold and silver ETFs. It was HSBC Bank that always controlled GLD, but guess   somewhere in the last few months   who just took control   of GLD. Oh my goodness. It's none other than JPMorgan,   the fox guarding the hen house. So you have JPMorgan and BlackRock now in custody   of the largest silver trust in the world and one of the largest gold stockpiles in the world amongst other ETFs.  

And what have I always said when people say, do you think gold will be confiscated? I said, no. I think they'll take the ETFs because we can't take possession of the ETFs. The commercial banks can. I'm gonna talk about that in one second.   But instead, they could take all of that gold and silver, look the world in the face, and say, look. We didn't default on anything. We didn't take gold from our citizens. It's not illegal to own it. Physical gold ownership is just fine. All we did is close ETFs. The prospectus gives us the right to do that. No law is broken. No civil liberties infringed.   Sorry. And they could do that   like that. JP Morgan in two vaults, one in New York and one in London, now hold more gold than the majority of the g 20 countries.  

Just like that. And it's the largest pretty much largest silver stockpile   in the world or one of them on top of what they already own. So let's just stop for a moment and and reflect before I finish. So we have Scott Bissent saying we're gonna monetize the asset side of the balance sheet. What assets other than land and gold? We have him saying it's his largest holding. We have Judy Shelton saying the only way this will ever work to maintain demand for the US treasuries to back it by gold. What is gold? But the only other tier one asset in the world. Who's been buying it and repatriating it? The central banks. Are they front running something? What did the BRICS say? Oh, Delmaroussoff, the president former president of Brazil, Head of the new development bank. We've agreed in principle   to a new settlement currency called the unit. 40%   gold backed,   60%,   bricks plus currencies traded over Enbridge. Now there was a hiccup with Enbridge. We've talked about that. It's now called the bridge. They will continue moving forward. But the moral of the story is what did Zoltan Pozart tell us? Used to run the the New York   Fed, understands the plumbing better than anyone of the system. He said it's Bretton Woods three, a system that will be described by transparency, blockchain, and commodities.  

Gold. So what did they say they were gonna do? A a settlement token pegged to gold, deliverable upon request,   and 60% basket   of currencies. So what did Judy Shelton say? We're gonna issue fifty year treasuries and then issue stable coins. Hopefully, the private market issues stable coins   backing off the treasury.   They said no CBDC,   but they will start doing stable coins pegged to gold and pegged to the treasury market   third party like Ripple or like,   Tether who are already loaded in US treasuries   almost entirely. Their balance sheet is US treasuries supporting the legacy system. They'll issue these two, not the government, the control of the of the central bank digital currency, but they will still control the on ramp and the off ramp. It's the same thing in a different hat issued by a third party instead of by the government. It's genius. So she wants to issue fifty year treasuries backed by gold, says Trump will issue them in 07/04/2026,   and then stablecoins come off of it.  

She said that they need to audit the gold. Maybe they'll even revalue the gold just like Loomis said in the Dutch National Bank and the Bundesbank held in the gold revaluation account, the only other tier one asset. But Trump says tariffs, so we gotta bring all the gold and silver back   to backfill all of these   rehypothecated   naked shorts. BS.   I believe in my soul.   I believe in my soul something bigger is in store for gold. I truly do. And all of that gold and silver is coming back to The United States. We are now a net importer   because we realize   the only way   to inspire confidence and maybe front run the bricks.  

You know, he's having meetings with Xi Jinping   and Putin. Is he discussing this? Is he saying let's just massively revalue gold that will benefit you guys. It'll devalue the dollar. That's what he wants. It'll devalue the dollar against gold. Gold goes to the moon.   Every every thousand or or $4,000   increase in the price of gold gives a trillion dollars free and clear to the treasury general account, peg it to treasuries,   reinspire confidence,   pay off some of the debt.   Now one last piece, you know, at the same time that our retail market is very slow as you paid reference to,   16 tons of gold have recently exited GLD. And that's the talking heads would say, well, that's profit taking and people buying Nvidia and Bitcoin and looking to the Trump euphoria and the risk on trade. No. It's not, folks. It's the insiders,   the big commercial banks redeeming their shares for the physical gold before something happens.  

They're taking all the metal out   of GLD in physical gold and moving it where? The JPMorgan's   account? Maybe,   don't know. It's share redemptions out the back door, it's not people selling. One last piece, when you talk about the potential for a silver squeeze,   there is right now   on SLV,   where did I put that? On SLV,   there is a 953,000,000   ounce short position.   Talk about as stupid as a mud wall,   and you have to borrow shares to short it. Right? The cost of borrowing SLV shares over the past couple of weeks have gone from 0.5%   to 12 percent.  

Seems a little daunting, don't you think? And the number of shares over the past roughly two weeks that are available   to borrow   went from 10,000,000 to 10,000. That's a 99.9%   reduction.   How do these   short positions cover?   You're talking a short squeeze potential of of supreme   proportions. I'm not saying it's gonna happen, but it's a little bit scary. So when you see these massive   vault movements from London to New York,   they're signaling a market event.   And the physical silver and gold demand is accelerating   with the biggest players in the world scrambling for direct ownership. And instead of t plus one in London, it's now t plus six to eight weeks. Mhmm. That's almost a default as far as I'm concerned. They can say whatever story they want about being backed up or having to refine 400 ounce into 100 ounce. You know what? Send us to 400 ounce, we'll refine it ourselves.  

Something   is happening. And my guess, if I had to guess, is that Trump basically knows, his people know what we've been talking about all these years that the idiots who have been suppressing the price of gold and silver and all of the commodities   are playing right into the hands of the people who are trying to devalarize.   And if you wanna win,   you need to bring it all home and beat them to the punch. And I'm telling you, all of these things coming together at once.   So this is what I did with the bricks, and I said it out loud, and people thought I was crazy. Put all these dots together. In and of themselves, each one is kind of interesting and impressive. Put them all together and say, man,   could it really be that it's the fed or the treasury that just bought that 4,000,000,000 in gold from JPMorgan and had it delivered to the COMEX? Could it be that the 12,000,000 ounces that have come in have all been part of a bigger plan rather than just   not over alerting the rest of the world to to this is what we're gonna do, but call it the Trump threat.  

I believe it is. And I will go on record as saying, I believe this is the beginning of something massive   for the price of gold, and it's stupid of me to do that. I know that. I don't normally put any type of definitives on anything, but all I can tell you is that I've never seen anything even remotely   close to this. Not even by a hundred yards   as to what we're seeing right now in real time. And then when you take a step back and look at what he's doing and uncovering   and exposing,   I don't know, man. It just seems to me like this is bigger than just the Trump tariffs.   This is signaling something that we should all pay really   close attention to. And the greatest contrarian indicator of it all is that the people in this country are asleep at the switch as the most well funded and well informed traders   on the on the planet   are are moving in hyperdrive   to not only accumulate it, but to bring it home. Like the 40 banks that took it home from the Bank of England and the New York Fed,   they're all repatriating and accumulating. And the paper scheme,   which always has allowed the banks to manipulate because no one ever stood for delivery,   It's now changing. And all of these countries, as I've said on your show, are are motivated, coordinated, sophisticated, and we know what you're doing. And we'll stand for delivery. Thank you. So now I think Trump is doing the exact same thing. This is not about Trump tariffs. He will not put tariffs on silver. It is a in a massive deficit in this country. 80% of the silver we need for industry, we import. He won't do it. Gold? Maybe. Or maybe it's just a threat so he can suck everything here before he says we're not gonna do it because now we own so much of it, and we're gonna   reevaluate it because it's held in the revaluation account, and it is the only other tier one asset. And all the central bankers are calling for the same damn thing, and let's peg it to the treasuries   to   inspire confidence and issue   stable coins off of it. Is that what's happening?  

If I had a gun to my head done again, I would say, yes. That is what is happening. So I'm gonna go out on a limb for the second time in my career and say this ain't the Trump tariffs. This is something bigger, much, much bigger.  

[00:38:44] Unknown:

Well, what you Paul, you wanna back it off there?   That's plenty of it. You get an idea of,   not only how well he knows what he's talking about,   but a sense of what's coming. I know there's a lot of technical stuff in there,   that most goes over most people's heads. Yeah. Hold on a second, Julie.   But I wanted to play that to buttress what we covered earlier in the week. And when we were talking about the outflows of gold from London, I think it was yesterday or day before.   And the fact that the London Bullion Metals Exchange   has all of the gold that's in there has been shipped to New York.  

And the gold that they hold for other people   as a depository,   the the holder has been informed   that they will pay them   16%   per month   on the value of their holdings   if they will loan it so they can send it to New York.   Something big   is happening. Okay? And I just want to play that because it buttressed everything we talked about to give you some sense of the scope of the size of this. Yes, Julie?  

[00:39:55] Unknown:

Am I too loud right now, or is this a problem? No. You're fine. You're fine. You're fine.  

[00:39:59] Unknown:

Okay.   So, the total national debt as of January twenty third of this year is 36,220,000,000,000.00.   And of the total debt, 80%   is public debt, which is basically treasury holdings by foreign countries.   This is a coup by Trump right now. So the largest   foreign holder   of public United States government debt is Japan.   He has not threatened Japan   with tariffs.   Who's number two? China. He's threatening China with 100%   tariffs because what he wants to do is restructure   the debt that they hold   to fifty years.   And he's also doing this with The UK,   Luxembourg,   and The Cayman Islands, which are basically the top five,   holdings   of treasuries by foreign countries. So this is a poker game by him and a move by him to restructure   our our debt   with these countries so that we can, again, like like Andy Schechtman is saying, I've spoken to him over the phone many times,   back our treasuries by something,   like gold and silver and commodities so that we're they're not worthless anymore. So it's it is a poker game by him, and it's a threat by him. If you don't Well if you don't restructure to fifty years, then you're gonna have % tariffs, and he's really going after China right now.  



[00:41:25] Unknown:

Well, there's some very interesting aspects of this. For one, you should tell mister Shekman that what really backs the treasuries is us.   And explain what we know here that, as you can see, he's one of the experts in the field. Nobody knows what we know here, folks. Not only no, we're not speculating. This is proven.   Federal government's agreed with us for fifteen years with no backlash. Okay? So a, that's number one. To give you some idea   of what I felt is the significance of our message here to the impact on the globe,   not only from getting passports and and not having agencies over you, but this right here.  

Because nobody knows this but them. Okay? Now, I wanna bring out something that has just it's interesting that it developed. We talk about it occasionally.   The very first   document that I ever found, none of this stuff was on the Internet when I got into this. Okay?   Ninety two oh, summer of ninety two. And,   so I was just, like, hungry like many of you are. When you stumble, you're just hungry for truth   because you know something bad's there. You can't,   get get it figured out in your mind. You're looking for some way to figure it out. And that's where I was. I went down to the Cobb County Library. It's right across the street from a   very serene Confederate   graveyard with a bunch of headstones in it, beautiful rolling country there.  

Anyway, I went to the   reference section,   and and I'd I'd already read Phil Marsh's book. I had a little bit of knowledge under my belt. And so I kinda knew what I was looking for, and and I'd already read and understood some of the shenanigans of the Federal Reserve System, etcetera.   So I went to the reference section, and there was a a book, a red book,   and it said, love,   famous historical legal   documents.   And so I I grabbed that, and and I opened it up into the years in the early part of last century around the Federal Reserve.   And there was a, a a a very important, man, is it important,   document in there. You can go look it up on the web right now if you're new and you haven't heard this before.  

It's called Woodrow Wilson's   Repudiation   of Dollar   Diplomacy.   Woodrow Wilson's   Repudiation   of Dollar   diplomacy.   It's a very short document, but it's the blueprint for the new world order.   And I even recognized it back then at that early stage because I had enough, like I said, information already.   It just I just saw it like as if with neon flashing signs. Other people see it, and they don't see it. You know, that's why I say we're different. Okay? But, anyway, it's a very short document, couple of paragraphs, and he says, it must have been early in his administration because they hadn't got their hooks in him yet,   obviously.  

So, they say I was approached by consortium of bankers   who wanna loan a hundred million dollars to China.   And, they were gonna for Rothschilds   behind it where they were building railroads   in countries all over the world, allowed them to get their hooks in these countries. You know?   And, they wanted to loan them a hundred million dollars, and they wanted Wilson to, cosign it.   And that's what he's repudiating.   I'm not gonna cosign this.   Okay? And so, of course, what they wanted   him to cosign it for was to get the muscle to collect the taxes.   K? And they don't say that in there, but you can read between the lines and how these guys work.  

But he goes in there and he talks about,   specifically, one of the things that's identified in there   is, one of the reasons they he,   repudiated the demand, and that was   because of the the whole scheme   potentially could go to the heart of the country's political system   just as it is awakening to its capabilities, something. His his language is pretty eloquent in there.   But he says when he describes the tax system   now get this. We've talked about this. Many of you heard this before.   The tax   proposed tax system is burdensome   and antiquated.  

Now that is a perfect description   for the tax code. Burdensome,   antiquated,   and   administered   by foreign   agents.   There's your blueprint.   Remember, now we understand the tax system is the important   Achilles heel of this whole thing.   They could get everything in   the rest of the whole system if they don't get the tax system in that brings the the payments back and pays the bondholders off. They don't have a a closed loop system.   Okay?   So,   you can see the importance of that. I always thought that was extremely interesting.   And,   so   I used it a lot. I tried to get people to see it in the early days and this, that, and the other. And,   so here when we start COVID,   I start getting very interested in China.  

And there there still is, I guess, it's abbreviated. Maybe it'll be expanded now that Trump's in there. On YouTube called China   tonight or China today, I think.   And and they're the people the there's a Chinese billionaire that, owns and runs the epic times.   And   he's counter the Chinese Communist Party and   of,   the the there's got a young   guy that's his spokesperson   and whatnot. But, anyway, and this guy I can't remember Phillips, maybe his last name.   I'm watching one night, and he's interviewing a gal   that's the head   of the bond association   in The US.  

And what they do is they have all these bonds, all this debt from all these countries,   and they she said, well, every day, that's what we do is we cancel out debt, trade bond debt for debt, and this, that, and the other.   And,   so it came up about this hundred million dollar bond issue that Wilson   would not undersign.   Of course, the greedy ass bankers went ahead and loaned the money to China.   K?   And   China never paid one payment   on it.   Not one. And so what happened was when they got Hong Kong, evidently and I saw this gal twice.   And,   when they got Hong Kong and made that deal with Hong Kong and gave it back to the Chinese,   part of the contract was, from her information,   was that they paid off all the English bondholders   on that bond on that loan.  

But they hate America, and they'd never paid any payments to America.   Not one nickel. K? There's 20. And this from, again, from this lady. Don't remember her name. She's a lawyer, and she's the head of this bond association. Well, don't remember the name of it.   K? But she said that there's 20,000   bond holders from that issue in The US.   So they did the bonds, and then they sold it to investors. Well, The US people have never gotten a single penny out of it and probably never will. Okay?   But that half,   the 20,000   bond holders in The US   with the   compound interest, and we've talked about compound interest being the eighth wonder of the world,   the compound interest on half of that hundred million dollar loan is now valued at $1,800,000,000,000.  

Now this was three or four years ago. K?   So we only owed China at the time. Our debt with China was 1,200,000,000,000.0.   So our bondholders in The US of this bond issue   have more value in the bond that the Chinese have debt from us.   And she said, I met with president Trump. He knows about this   from her mouth.   Okay?   So here's what I've never heard anybody bring this up except that woman. And and here I am knowing from the origins of that. I can put this whole story together. It was like freaky, freaky deaky kinda stuff. You know? So Trump could have feasibly   gone and still could   go to those 20,000   bondholders   and pay them a nickel on the dollar.  

Beep a dime or nickel on the dollar. Hell, they're never gonna get a cent out of China on it.   And then own those bonds   and feed them back to China as our bond payment with their debt.   But that's never come up. Never heard anybody that understands this or knows about it even float the idea.   Okay? But that's sitting out there right now.   Alright?   So that, Julie, is what I wanted to insert because it's incredibly   insightful and very interesting.  

[00:50:44] Unknown:

Yep. Roger, breaking news?  

[00:50:46] Unknown:

Breaking news, Dave.  

[00:50:48] Unknown:

Yep.   Just on your money now, they just announced that JPMorgan   is laying off.   I didn't catch the numbers. I heard a thousand, but for, like, six or eight months in a row,   they'll be laying off massive numbers.  

[00:51:05] Unknown:

Yep. Ralph, something's happening, and you got a little bit of if you're just stumbling into this,   you got a little bit of cash sitting around that you don't have earmarked for anything. Now   it'd be a very wise thing to go find. By the way, later on in that interview,   Shekman   and his   company   and Dunnigan, they work together very closely. They've got junk silver. Okay?   And I think is one some of the spots the premium is pretty low. Well, for some of the   junk silver coins, just like   $1.46,   premium, dollar 46.   So, if you're in that condition, that may be the best thing to buy.  

Whatever. If you are purchasing metals, try and buy the smallest.   Unless you're just very wealthy and you got plenty of wherewithal, You don't wanna go buy bars. You wanna buy the smallest units you can get ahold of. Alright. Don't go to those little don't go to those cards or you can break off a gram because those things you'll pay through the nose and they're just easy to lose and somebody might it's just not a wise buy to me. But if that's what you wanna do, you go do it. But I would say to get the smallest size coins you can get. And in these types of situations, savvy buyers   know to buy the small coins.  

Okay? That's why they've got a higher premium. There's more work involved in producing one, and,   and a lot of them are are are gone, long gone. But find what you can if you're in that condition, and I wouldn't let any grass grow under your feet. Now comments?  

[00:52:42] Unknown:

Yeah. Roger?  

[00:52:43] Unknown:

Yeah. Hi, Wayne.  

[00:52:46] Unknown:

Hey, bud. Hey. I just wanna say that,   I think it's utterly ridiculous to say Trump is pulling some kind of coup on our monetary system. The coup happened four years ago when these creeps got in and been limiting the Treasury   for the last four years.   Even before that, when Obama was then even Clinton.   So   what Trump's trying to do is rescue our monetary system Absolutely. Because we're already  

[00:53:14] Unknown:

I'm I sorry. Yeah. I was yeah. I can hear you now. I said absolutely. That's what he's trying to do. He's not trying to steal anything. He's trying to build it back. And some of Musk's comments lately is, if we don't do this, we don't have a country.   That that's how close to the precipice we are on this financial thing that these bastard international bankers have got us in this condition.   They're the ones that most of that $37,000,000,000,000   is owed to.   Well, absolutely. Plus we have  

[00:53:44] Unknown:

what? Over 200,000,000,000,000   in unfunded liabilities for Medicare and everything else. So you know, it's a heck of a problem to have to deal with. But,   again, I believe I'll go back to what Besson said and a few other people that we they're gonna re monetize   part of our, our assets for the country. And if gold was so under   $35,   they got a lot of room to monetize that and help shrink down some of the deficit. So that's all I I believe  

[00:54:12] Unknown:

I was listening to part of an interview with this gal who lives in Chile, Whitney Webb, who's is real sharp journalist,   reporter.   And she was talking about how Larry Fink and them and what they're talk talking about and evidently doing is monetizing natural resources. In other words, they'll go, well, that tree there should be worth so much, and they'll go in and monetize a tree.   So what bet what the secretary of the treasury said is right along with that path of Fink.   Okay?   So what they're doing, what they're having to do is look for new collateral.   They've pledged all the collateral away.  

They're having to find new collateral so they can expand the monetary system again.   So, anyway, it's a very wise time   to,   to   to be at your best and in some kind of a situation   where you have some holdings of something real if you have the capability to do that.   K? Now, Wayne, our our good buddy Wayne here,   you you study this monetary system a lot too, and you watch all these guys Schechter and hold Holden and Holder and all the all these fellas.   So what what's your read on this, Wayne?  

[00:55:28] Unknown:

Well, again, I think they only have so many things they can do, but,   we do have a lot of natural assets in the country like, you know, uranium and coal and a lot of that. So even if they create a a basket of,   resources, including gold and silver,   I believe what they could do is figure out a way to shrink down some of the debt, pay off some of those,   bondholders   and everything else. So, again, it's my pay grade, but I feel like you're anybody thinking they're gonna monetize it, I believe is on the right track. And Shekman was talking about this months ago, that he felt like something would would happen with the revaluation of gold. So that's one of the most undervalued assets we have as far as I can tell. Thanks, Roger. Silver's the silver's the most undervalued  

[00:56:12] Unknown:

asset probably in history,   quite frankly. Certainly,   currently.   K?   And,   who knows? Nobody even knows what the price of silver could be, but it'd be way north of 600 an ounce.   K?   So these are the things that are coming. We know about it, and and, we know how the system's structured. None of these other people even know how the system's structured.   You know, they think that they're loaning money. They're nothing but credit. It's these promissory notes,   and all these shenanigans by these damn bankers. So who else has got something to add on all this?  

[00:56:51] Unknown:

Nobody?  

[00:56:54] Unknown:

Project? That's where yes, ma'am.  

[00:56:57] Unknown:

Oh, yes. Julie, again, if people want junk silver, there's   another person I know personally named Bill Holter. He holds them out of junk silver as well.  

[00:57:06] Unknown:

Is he selling it?   Yeah. He has Will you, Will you can you wanna give out his information on the air here for his contact information and his name again?  

[00:57:18] Unknown:

You his his email address is b holter,   b as in boy for Bill Holter, h o l Oh, Bill Holter. At hot   yeah. At hot mail dot com. You I think he works for Andy Scheck. He he works with Scheckman. Yeah. They're very close. Yep. Yep. And,  

[00:57:34] Unknown:

he's the one that used to work with Jim Sinclair that I've talked about so much. He's now dead, you know.   Believe me, Sinclair knew where the skeletons were buried.   Okay? He was part of that crowd.   He's the guy, Holter's ex partner   is the guy that Paul Volcker in the early eighties   hired as the head of the Federal Reserve   to unwind the Hunt Brothers silver position. That was Jim Sinclair.   And he and on he and Holter had a program. I mentioned this the other day.   And here's the here's the juggling act. What we're doing is we're trying to guess and approximate how much circulating currency is out there and then how much gold is here and assign a price difference of each ounce of gold is worth so much of this circulating paper. But we're at a severe disadvantage   because these sorry bastards   have been have been printing money that isn't about currency, that isn't,   accounted for on any kind of ledger. Like the printing press they found in the basement of the US Embassy   in Tehran   when the students overthrew the shop. Okay? Well, they found a whole print offset printing press down there.  

If you don't know about Russia having the ability to print $100   bills, go find on the in Internet a thing called Major, Colonel,   Colonel Jordan's Diaries.   I believe is the title of it.   Major Jordan Jordan's Diaries.   Is anybody in the audience familiar with that work?   Isn't it Major Jordan's Diaries?   None of you guys know?   Okay. Well, if you've never heard this story,   go find it. Okay. Well, sorry,   Chicago. You're gonna miss out.  

[00:59:23] Unknown:

Paul, you wanna tell these folks bye bye?  

[00:59:26] Unknown:

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[00:59:59] Unknown:

Bye bye.   Be safe up there with   a idiot governor and a communist mayor.   Okay. Good luck to the Chicago folks.   Anyway, as now I'm gonna ask this question to the audience.   Is nobody in this audience familiar with Major Jordan's diaries?   God, I'm shocked.   Okay, this is your homework assignment.   Go look up   on the search engine Major   Jordan's   Diaries, just exactly like it sounds, it's spelled.   The story is, and I don't remember his whole story, but he was one of those guys that was in the   quote unquote right place at the right time.   And after World War two, he got,   attacked by the Pentagon   to help with this   operation.  

And what they were doing was they were taking planes out on the C 1 Thirties or something   and filling them full of stuff and sending them to Russia. And he tells the story,   and and they were he was supposed to supervise and all this stuff and everything.   And he went to one of the planes, and they had some of the cargo. He they wouldn't let him see. And I think he pulled a 45 on them and said, you're gonna show me what's in there. And what they found   was an offset printing press or three pieces of it going to Russia   with all of the printing   plates of the bills.  

So all the way from the forties,   Russia has had an offset printing press. So we don't have any idea how many of these hundred dollar bills floating around the world are counterfeit or even legitimately   tied to a bond, which they're supposed   to be. Okay? But,   all of you should go listen to Major Jordan's Diaries.   Now he is giving this story   to a group of   probably military people or conservatives   in LA.   So this is a recording of a live event,   Major Jordan's Diaries.   I encourage all of you to go listen to that. K?   You'll get a much better scope   of where we are and why   on the things that they were doing all the way back thereafter   World War   two.  

Or as some people call it, big mistake big mistake big mistake too.   Yes, Julie. And then there's a guy I'll get to you next. Go ahead.  

[01:02:31] Unknown:

The only other thing the only other thing I wanted to add is that it's not just   the shorts and the naked shorts that are manipulating   the   gold and silver markets as well as, like, the stock markets and the bond markets. It's also the derivatives   that are suppressing the price of gold and silver.   And then, you know, it's not just The United States, I've said, in debt. I think there's over $400,000,000,000,000   on the global debt right now and we're a little under 10% of that. So,   it's just the fact that the international bankers have   globally owned everybody for so long, and now their time is coming to an end because everything's bankrupt.  



[01:03:10] Unknown:

And they're scrambling, see, because they they've tried to set up this,   basal three accord for this so the banks can remain solvent.   And,   and I know that's true because my my very good friend who I haven't had a good friend named Tom Cloud. He was in Atlanta. He's one of the top 20 corn dealers in the world. Okay?   And,   I called him one day on something. I said, how are you doing? He said, man, I'm busy as hell. I'm I got banks,   just one phone call after another and selling gold. Okay? And that was, that was that was a number of years ago. Alright?   So they've known this. The guy that was interviewed used to be the head of the BIS.  

I believe they said it was Dutch. I wish I could recall his name. He had retired,   and he was being interviewed in the nineties, and he was the one that kinda tipped the hand on this. He said, yeah. We're gonna go ahead and and raise gold to a tier one asset   and then have the banks buy it. And then when everything goes south, we'll revalue it and that that will cover the losses of the paper.   You heard Sheckman refer to that in this talk there, one of the guys. Well, that's been cooked for a long time. That was in the nineties, that interview folks.  

[01:04:23] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. And,   Roger, just to to add on to your nineties, you know, Bill Holter was telling me when I was talking to him on the phone that in the early nineties,   they should have let things go, but now there's too much bad debt. And he told me the central banks and the sovereign treasuries are leveraged to the max and they're basically insolvent. So if they allow the whole system to come down, then everything goes worldwide and everything is worth nothing.  

[01:04:49] Unknown:

Well, that's that whole thing, and somebody sent me the latest on that the other day. Joan did. I haven't had a chance to watch it yet, but that's what's coming. That was their plan. Now they're   something's changed. Okay? There's there's things have changed,   and, we'll just have to wait to see. I I I like to speculate on it. I really enjoy   personally   this, area economics and   how to make yourself and get yourself in a better position, all that kind of stuff.   It's fascinating to me.   And but there's there's some things that have changed with Trump. Now this gal that he mentioned twice in there, Judy Sheldon, are you familiar with her, Julie? Judy Sheldon?  

[01:05:29] Unknown:

Yeah. I've heard of her before. Yeah.  

[01:05:32] Unknown:

She was, she's a real gold bug, and she's the one that Andy Shechtman evidently just interviewed. And Donegan   later on in that interview. He's got her scheduled in two weeks.   So you folks that watch this channel, man, when that Judy Sheldon interview comes along, please alert us about that Wayne or or or Tom d or whoever.   She was,   trying he was trying to appoint her to the Federal Reserve Board. She's a real gold bug back in his first term, and she didn't get appointed.   But,   the guy that he did appoint as the chairman has given him so much crap now, and I can't think of his name right off the bat.   He flew down to Mar A Lago and had a meeting with Trump yesterday or Washington or something in the last day or two. He's the one that says, I I won't step down. See, Trump's getting to get trying to get him to lower the interest rates right now, and he won't do it.  

And,   so, we'll see if he doesn't find a way to fire him and,   replace him, maybe possibly with Judy Shelton.   And That was your own pal.   Your own pal. Thank you, Joe. And her idea, as you heard Sheckman say a time or two, was to back fifty year bonds with gold.  

[01:06:51] Unknown:

Yeah. Did you know, Roger, that her her nomination was withdrawn by   Joe Biden in February of twenty twenty one?  

[01:06:59] Unknown:

No. But I knew she was, they they yanked her out real quick. They don't back then, especially, they didn't want any they don't want anything tipping the people to buy gold. They're buying every bit that's offered hand over damn fist.   The wealthy people are putting their money in gold, folks. They're not putting it necessarily   in Bitcoin.  

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Well, did you see what, Elon Musk,   tweeted   yesterday about Bitcoin?  

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I don't know if I did or not. Julie, why don't you enlighten us?  

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Sorry. I take this back. He tweeted this on December twentieth of twenty twenty, and he tweeted Bitcoin is almost as b s as fiat money because backed by nothing.  

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Well, I don't I don't agree with him there. It is backed by something. Those computers that mine it are are very expensive. You gotta invest there. You got the highest the biggest component   of the cost is the electricity. That's why these guys move to the cheapest places of electricity in the world. So there is something that backs it. Okay? And the blockchain and the way it's developed and everything   give it a really, really good secure surface to me. But and I don't own any of it. Okay? But I'm just saying that those kind of comments are not correct because, well, you try and just go and start mining Bitcoin.   Well, you'll find out real quick there's something behind it.  

Yeah. But there's cheaper stuff to to mine now. Like, x r p is way cheaper to mine than Bitcoin. Yes. Yes. And those all have differences from Bitcoin, and it's a very complex field. I just look. I'm, for me personally, I'm 76 years old. I've got no heirs. I am not interested in upside.   Okay?   It's like Will Rogers said. He said, I'm not interested in the return on my money. I'm interested in the return of my money. Okay?   But some of you Have anybody heard about the Google new quantum chip?  

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That means your Bitcoin could soon be hacked.  

[01:09:09] Unknown:

Well, I don't have any, so I'm not worried about it. Okay? And if you people that have got it and you don't have it offline in a cold storage wallet, you're probably making a mistake,   but that's your problem. K? Just so you know, all we do is go around and okay. There's Tom. Hey, Tom. Thanks for sending me that. We played the first twenty minutes or so if you didn't know that.  

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Yeah. I just jumped on, like, seven minutes ago, and I was gonna remind you to take a look at that. But I guess from what I've heard in the last six or seven minutes that you must have, received it. We we played the first we played the first twenty minutes or so in the first half of the show.   Yeah. It was it's really good. And,   I was listening to Glenn Beck this morning, and they're talking about that there's a huge, huge massive amount of gold being repatriated   to The United States   and   they think something fishy. Oh, by the way, you cannot mine XRP, by the way.   There's only certain coins you can mine like Litecoin, Bitcoin.  

There's a few other ones, but I wish you could mine XRP.   But,   yeah, I just wanna make sure that you guys, you know, that you saw that because it was a really good interview. And I know yesterday you were talking about it at Shekman, and I said, oh, look at this perfect timing.  

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Yeah. It was good because it was just done yesterday. It was real fresh   and, very topical and timely.   And, what what for the audience that may wanna finish the rest of it because there's other discussions in there.   If you wanna finish the rest of it, the link is in which chat?   The FCC or the,   tango   chat?   Somebody know, Paul? Would you remember which chat you got it out of? It's in  

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it's in the FCC chat.  

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Okay. For the people on the board,   alright. What's the for people in the audience that might not be, attached through FCC, what's the name of it?  

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It's on YouTube. I'm having  

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I'm actually having trouble bringing it up. Part of my,  

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part of my What what do you have? Part of my network is down.  

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Okay.  

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The But what are you asking for?  

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The title of the YouTube piece that we listened to on Done Again and Oh, okay. Just a second.  

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I have it. Just a minute.  

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Insiders   scrambled to get their gold back.   Andy Shekman.   And it's on YouTube.  

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Yep. Insiders   scramble. You should be able to get it from just those two words   to get their gold back. Anyway, there's interesting information there.   Shekman is just very reliable, very dependable, very honest, very straightforward. Okay? So that's my experience of listening to him for over the years. His track record at, I think it's Miles Franklin,   is the name of his company. And I believe his track record there is impeccable.   And,   so another good source, Kirk Elliott, another good source.   And they talk about the ratio trading later on in that interview, by the way. And that's what Kirk Elliott specializes in with his clients.   So there's number of choices if you're in that position,   and,   it it would be   well, you'd be real wise to move on that. But I'll leave that Gotcha. In your hands. Yes. And there's Joan right there. Hey, miss Joan.  



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Hey. Do you know if,   Kirk Elliott sells junk   silver?  

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No. I don't think he does. He really deals in bullion.   Okay. But but Julie just said the guy that had his junk silver there,   she just   where   Julie, where'd you put did you give out his email? Oh, it's about Holder.   Yeah. The and Miles Shekman,   it works with Holder.   He works with them again.   Oh, yeah. Bill Holder. He he works with this guy that interviewed him on. Dumb again. Done again. Done again. What he's not dumb. He's pretty smart. Done again there. And they reference that they have some junk silver, and they even go over the prices.   They're pricing an individual coin.  

Like, a dime is so much over premium and a quarter so much. And you you can go listen to it, contact them and do your own. But that's where I would send you, Joan. Okay?  

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Thank you.  

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Yep.  

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Anybody else have any questions or comments? Kitty cat?   Yes. Kitty cat you dripped on? There's somebody. Yes. Who's that? I'm kidding. Yes.  

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When, back when, Bill Holter and, Jim Sinclair's,   discussions,   they'd have some some discuss pretty good discussions.   I think, they were discussing what gold would be valued at   if it really was an honest system and I think he came up with over $50,000  

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an hour. No. No. No. No. He said approximately a hundred and 85,000   would be his guess.  

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There you go. Okay. Yeah. My recollection is not as good as yours, so I appreciate that.  

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And that's speculation   because we don't know because we don't know how many hundred dollar bills are floating around from these presses that they let get out of the country with the plates.  

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Right.   Right. Understood.  

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Now you all I'm telling you, I don't often give homework assignments around here. Major Jordan's   diaries.  

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You go find that. Listen to it. It's in the chat. It's in the chat.   Okay. Good. Thank you. And I just,   Checkman,   discussed the self sovereign   wealth   fund   software   and the secrecy involved.   Now   Yes.   So,   you know, I sent you I did send you a link about,   the,   David Sachs   press conference on cryptocurrency   and   Catherine's,   mentioned   that,   she believed that   that somehow the sovereign wealth fund that Trump is setting up   and,   with Lutnick that,   they're gonna do some   hanky panky with Bitcoin   and,   you know, they have the   valuation of The United States at, like, what,   with them including the minerals and all the real estate is, like,   dollars 47,000,000,000,000   or something like that.  

And,   I think that's,   possibility   that they're gonna send some shenanigans and then they're gonna bankrupt The United States again somehow in another tier,   and and get rid of the Bitcoin   somehow,   so they, you know, they can move it on shore and then here, let's let's switch   this Bitcoin for land. You know what I'm saying? And,   I'm just  

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it it'll be interesting to see what happens. I yield. Well, there's no telling. They could do anything, and all these things are viable for them to accomplish. They could be shadowy and shady, but get get into the all the baseline. Get into something personally for yourself that's solid.   That that's my but   gold's been used as money and silver for five thousand years. Bitcoin's what? Ten years old? Something like that?   A little little more.   If you got extra and you wanna play with that and you can get past all the technical jargon and all the   stuff over there, then you go do it. Okay? And you got kids or grandkids and you wanna get something for them to give them just second Samuel and you want something for them when they, get a little bit older and you're gone, you go do that. Alright?  

But   my situation is just I want something solid. Yeah, Samuel.  

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So whatever happened to one and a half grams equaling a dollar?   What? Isn't that the constitution?  

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Oh, that's   yeah. But, well,   but that constitution didn't have the fourteenth amendment in it, Samuel.  

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That's the Right up to Nixon. Right? I bet but still,   you know, bonds   the the first scheme of bonds really came up with Lincoln,   and it really hit the pedal hit the metal in World War one. So bonds have always been a way to kill people.  

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I don't know that he just did he didn't do bonds. He turned down the Rothschild bonds because they were looking at 20 something percent interest, and he went with just the greenback,  

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which is just United States. That was one of the schemes. He had several. Bonds were one of them, and the $10.40,   it was actually one of them that he used.   And that's how we got our ten forty IRS form.  

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Now, you know, that's interesting. You should bring that up because I heard David Strait talking about that, that Lincoln was selling $10.40 bonds,   and I ridiculed him. I went and looked up $10.40 bond 8, you know, $10.40   US bond. You you can't find anything in any search engine on it, but I could. I couldn't anyway.   So where are you getting that information?  

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They reference that in the book of the hundreds when they're talking about Lincoln's term.  

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Okay. Well, I don't know anything about the I'll find it. I'll  

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Okay. But I do know I'll go back later if I see if I can find a little more information on it. There was a guy in Illinois  

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that knew Lincoln   that I read a long article on it when I was in Argentina. Somebody sent me. And he is the one that turned Lincoln on to The United States notes.   Okay? And the thing is is that will work. Alright?   You don't have to back it with anything,   really.   But you have to make sure there's no excess in circulation.   And what you do is you print United States notes just like John Kennedy tried to do,   and you spend them into circulation.   This would be   along the lines what FDR did with the all the Judeal stuff. He would spend all that money in the new Federal Reserve notes into circulation with the workers on the new programs under the WPA   and all that kind of stuff. So you spend it into circulation,   and you tax out   what you've spent in.  

That's the key point. You gotta tax out the amount   that you spent in. Because all money or currency, any of it should be, is a medium of exchange.   Okay? So we're just looking for something where I can buy those eggs I wanna eat, and you get something that is equivalent in wealth that satisfies you. It's a medium of exchange   because it takes out barter. Now I don't have to say,   how much how many potatoes you want for them eggs? I don't have to do that. I'll just give you a bill. Okay?   But you've got to tax out what you spent in. So there's no excess   for speculation.  

If you do that   and follow that, that system will work.   Okay?  

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So that was   the  

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green greenbacks, but the problem is is man's heart is dark. No man shall know it and they didn't tax out what they spent in. Now, back then, also, by the way, was the first income tax. And who owed the income tax on that issue of United States notes?   Federal employees   only.   Now who was trying to say something? Tom, was that you or is that Brent?  

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This is Rick. A dollar is a unit of measure, like a pound or a gallon. Right. Dollar what?  

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Right.  

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So, anyway, those are all monetary theories and things that have happened, and,   we're on this cusp of a big change.   Just protect yourself. That's what I'm trying to talk about. This is extremely interesting.   And you're sitting there, oh, poor little old me. I can only have 2 nickels to rub together. Well, try and get something and in the future, you'll probably be in a better condition. Don't know when, don't know by how much, but I know things have got to change.   K?   So other comments here   on this?  

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No?  

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Well, I wanna change the subject.  

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Okay. Yeah. We can change the subject. Hold hold on. Yes. Let's let here, Julie, and we'll go ahead and change the subject. Yeah. K. Hold Yep. Julie, you got something to button this up with?  

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Yeah. I just was basically saying that you can't there's no way to save the system that we have here and the dollar bill dollar. So, you know, the other thing that people are not talking about is that we have 2.5 quadrillion in derivatives,   and there's absolutely,   no way that   those are going to bring everything down because   those are basically two parties that trade with each other and one side is a bet that something will go up and the other side bet that will go down.   And   the problem   is that the side that loses is going to lose so badly   that they're going to go bankrupt and they're not going to be able to pay the winners.  

And this is what happened with AIG and Goldman Sachs.   So,   you know,   that's brewing again right now behind the scenes and,   and that's gonna that's very bad high yield.  

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Julie,   are do you know who invented derivatives?  

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I can't remember. I read about that a long time ago. Refresh my memory, please. His his name is Larry Fink. He's the head of BlackRock.  

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Yeah. And and that's how he got there, obviously.   Oh, I I have a friend whose brother was the   head guy.   He's in Virginia, actually. His brother was the head guy of Swiss Re.   Do you are you familiar with them? They're a reinsurance company.   I'd never heard of such things. But in the end, I think   that all reinsurance,  

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all the reinsurance companies right now are based out of Bermuda.  

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Well, I don't know. He I think he would go to Switzerland. Anyway, he, when derivatives first came around, he he didn't fly commercial. They, you know, they'll take their people and go rent   a a seven forty seven or something and have them all on a private plane over there. So, anyway, he he told his brother that they took him over to Europe, I don't know where,   and on derivatives in a whole week in school on derivatives.   And he came back and said, John, I didn't understand the damn thing they were telling me. Okay? This guy was the last guy to sign a check before it went out at Swiss Re North America.   Okay?  

So, anyway,   hell, I kinda forgot where I was going on that. Something important too. I hadn't forgot about my   I hadn't forgot about you over there. I I'm just saying, oh, wait. I liken them   to a teeter totter   in the playground   at school. You know? Teeter totter, I'm talking about where you're on one end and the guy's up in the air and you're on the floor and then he goes down and you go up. Well, the derivative is like putting that teeter totter   and the up end into a financial   institution   and the end on the ground   has a bucket tied to it. And when this thing breaks, that teeter totter is gonna go down and all the money out of the bank is gonna come down and go down that teeter totter and end up in that bucket. And they're gonna give you   a worthless share of a bankrupt bank, and they're gonna run away with the derivatives because they've got first call after bankruptcy or an event is my understanding. K? I I may be wrong. I think it's fairly correct.  

Anyway, they're gonna get everything when it goes down, and you're gonna get oh, you'll get something.   You'll get a you'll get a worthless share of a bank.   Where is all that? It's still good. Yeah.  

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If you have a phone number. I'm double good. That's good. Good. Good. Good.   (208)   301-9135.  

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can you find out whoever does I went on muted there, please?  

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This is Ricky. Yeah. It's all, it's all really derivatives, Roger, though.  

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Yes. Well, I understand. That's what they've done, is they've used it like scaffolding   to prop up all these institutions that have been bankrupt   and on life support for decades.  

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Right. And I think we can return all the all the, debt to them because it's really The United States trust. It's their their debt. It's not ours. It's like,   you know, what what came out of what  

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the name didn't come out of my mom. I I as a human man came out of my mom. You know? No. You didn't. No. You didn't. You did until your feet got out of the birth canal, and then you're a person, and then you're a surety for a fraudulent bankruptcy.   No. You're not correct.  

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No. They created a document twelve days after my birth called a birth certificate.   It did register to that. They registered the name as an event, and then they confused us in school by making us think we're that name. We're not that name. And  

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and that birth certificate   represents your servitude.   It doesn't create it. It represents   it. And then throughout your entire adult life, they've asked you if you agreed with it. And every time they did, I guarantee you said yes and signed something. They said, are you a citizen of United States? Are you a citizen?   You signed something. You didn't enter the contract knowingly, but you agreed to it.  

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Correct.  

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Okay.  

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So I think we can return everything to them. Like, anybody who's in debt and all that stuff, just return it back to The United States. I mean, it's not it's been done   it's been totally been done, you know, like you're saying, by fraud and subterfuge and give them back the revisionary interest. I don't know who you are, but what do you think we do here?  

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We file an affidavit and inform the IRS. How are they gonna connect this debt and collect it through the IRS? Well, we're not beholden to this anymore because it's fraud and it's a scam. I don't have to return Right. To them.  

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Who's talking?  

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I don't know. Well, you  

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you you do have to you still have to, like, if you stop paying something, you still have to notify them. You know? Yeah. Well, you do that. Do that. Stop paying my mortgage.  

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Sir, what's your name? You know, I still have to. What's your name? No. Sir, who are you?   What's your name? George Idaho.   Oh, George. Okay. Well, that's what we're doing when we put the IRS on notice.  

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Yep. But a mortgage company still has to be put on notice because they're part of the they're part of the fraud as well.  

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Okay. Well, I don't know about that. I I I just know that that's what we do here, and that's what I teach. And that's my specialty, and I'm the expert in the world on it. Okay?   Except for their side.  

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Roger.  

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Yes.   Larry.  

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Hey. It's Larry. Can I get your opinion   and Julie's   opinion on   if the financial system were to   explode like you're in your teeter totter analogy,   what would happen to the wealth in all of the four zero one ks?  

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It's already been replaced with bonds, big boy.   You think one of these Wall Street hungry Jews is gonna see some big pile of cash and not go in and steal it?  

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Larry?  

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Larry?   They take the bonds I'm listening. And go back and take up to they take the bonds to the four zero one k and take the cash over and put it in their account.  

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I don't know if it's that easy. I mean, these are our accounts,  

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you know. I know. But then you but you don't handle it unless it's just one that you do all the trading and stuff for. They're done by some kind of supervisor.   And those are the people, they go out and buy bonds and sell bonds and everything else.   So Roger?   Yes.  

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We're going to an all digital financial system   and it's going to be overseen by the Bank of International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland.   And it's all owned by the New York Fed. Those are   Basel is owned or Bank of International Settlements is owned by the New York   Fed and the Board of Governors.   They're the shareholders   in it.   And   they're going to be implementing I mean, I hate to say this, instead of central bank digital currencies, it's still a central digital banking system that's going to be controlled, tracked and traced. Basically, your new control grid  

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will be actually  

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right now.  

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Yep.   But see you got a fly in the ointment like Ecuador and some of these countries here. See they they tried Correia, the communist guy. He tried to institute a a a a a coin here,   and the people wouldn't accept it. They wouldn't use it.   And then the next government came in and said, if you take Bitcoin at a retail   establishment, you're going to jail.   So nobody here wants anything to do with Cybercoins.   And we're on the dollar. And there are other countries, including Argentina   now is going in that direction. So as long as those countries are in the system, they'll still be printing dollars.  

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It won't be 20 digit. The problem the problem with that, Roger, is that everything has already been digital, digitized right now with the smart homes and the smart cities and all the data centers have been set up. And so basically with AI coming out, you won't be able to go on to the the you won't be able to go on to the Internet without your digital ID. And you won't be able to buy things without your digital ID. And with that will come your digital money.  

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Well, that's right, Julie. And that's their plans. And the best blade plans of mice and men often go astray, Julie.   Right. Well,  

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they Yeah. They just rolled out.  

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I think they bit off more than they can chew here, girl.   Okay. It was alright. Hold on. There's all kinds of extra noise in the background.   People don't have   They're doing shit. It's very distracting from the program.   If you're not talking, please hit your mute.   We don't need extra conversations   on the side.   Now who wants to say something?  

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This   is sketch, and and please mute if you're not talking   because it it ruins the show.  

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It does. Please.   Go ahead. Alright. Who's next?  

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I   is this sketch?  

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Yeah. Alright. Did you wanna say something sketch? Yes.  

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Yes. I did. Yes. I did. I I was trying to get in there with a a comment and, change the subject. But,   on on your South South American   stuff, you know,   El Salvador   just changed their laws about Bitcoin.   Now they changed,   Bitcoin   currency. It used to be legal tender. It's no longer legal   tender.   And but bit,   private businesses   can,   receive it or it's voluntary. Now I wanted to bring up to Julie that everything's voluntary in this life.   So just because you're saying, well, it's all digital and stuff, well, that's gonna be voluntary. You you you you you don't have to do that. Okay?   But, also,   Bitcoin is no longer currency,   but remains   now now hold it. I I get confused.  

Down in El Salvador,   Bitcoin is no longer currency,   but remains   legal tender in some form,   but not in force.  

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Okay, Skag.   What is legal tender? Define legal tender for us, please.  

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I,   please do it for me because,  

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Okay. That means that you pay your taxes with it.  

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Right. Right.   Exactly. But   private businesses   can accept Bitcoin, and it can still be legal tender or it has no force? It's about voluntary.  

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Right? Well, legal tender means that's what you you could pay your taxes with it. Okay. I gotcha.   And I Yeah. Alright. Hold on, Joe. Go just a minute.  

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Before we end here, I'd like to change the   the the topic. So please go ahead, Joe, but get back to me, Rogers. Alright. Just a quick do my best to remember you. Just get go ahead, Joe.  

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Just a quick comment.   It's nothing more than a medium of exchange.  

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Yep. And  

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it's   pardon me. But it's a form of barter.   If you accept it,   that it's   simple trade, but the government doesn't accept it as payment   for your taxes, like you say.   Right. Right. And I did and I do disagree with not   just let me make this one comment.   I do not agree with Julie   that you're gonna   be screwed if you don't have all this digital stuff and all this kind of crap because There's always a different way.   There's always a different way. And Yep. One way to get out from under them is to not have a credit score.   Yeah.  

And you get don't have a credit score if you don't owe any money or you don't own a credit card.  

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Yep.  

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Thank you, Joe. They they don't like you. They don't have anything to do with you. Thank you.  

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Alright. Okay.   Larry, what Dwayne on  

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alright. Hold hold on. 23 Larry wants to talk. Dwayne wants to talk. Somebody's talking in the background.  

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Sketch who who Don't forget sketch.  

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Yeah.   Go ahead, Sketch. Joe.   Holy Joe. He's finished. He did.  

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Okay.   I have a, a quick question to change the subject. Is it okay if I do that, or should we stay on this   this, monetary  

[01:36:50] Unknown:

Dwayne, what was your comment? Larry, what was your comment on what topic?  

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Alright. I I'm multiples.   I I my I don't use credit. Haven't used in about at least fifteen years. They won't even give me zeros.   So,   and I so I agree with that. You got to stay out of that particular system.   But what I was the gentleman that brought up about the stock accounts,   if we don't have an actual stock certificate in our possession with the name and the number of shares in the public corporation   that we think we own, we do not own it.   The DTCC,   the Depository   Trust and Clearing Corporation   actually   has   ownership of that share that we think we own.  

All the stock brokerages   have actually swept   I'm going to use the word swept up that's not the legal term, but swept up our accounts   and   have the big banks have used it.   What we think we own in the stock market and our shares,   is being used as collateral   for the derivatives trades.  

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Probably.  

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So what we have, it is, it's a fact. It's in that this is the fact of that this guy David Webb brought up. What we have is beneficial use of   these shares. We do not own them and we are in the lowest priority   contractual position that one can be   in any bankruptcy.   When we analogous   simultaneous   concept,   when we put our cash, what we think is money in the bank, our currency in the bank, we become a creditor to that bank. We do not own that anymore.   And that deposit actually becomes a liability   to the bank and they will they're supposed to issue shares, non voting shares in that bank should there be any   bail ins or bankruptcies.  

So,   anyway,   that's what's going on with the shares. We don't know what we think we own. It's just like your car, you don't have beneficial use of that car once you register it. You don't own it. Same thing with   the stocks and it's actually been done at every state level for the last probably twenty five years   to go in and   orchestrate what I've just described at the state level in the UCC codes of the state   regulations,   statutes, codes, regulations.  

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That's all I'm saying. Thank you. Well, if you're if you were in paper,   it might be a good retrospective   to look back and see that the highest performing asset in the last twenty years  

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is gold. Larry? Is gold?  

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Yes. And there's no counterparty   risk.  

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Correct.  

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Larry? Is that what you what what that student just explained,   is that what you mean by   they being the powers that be can go into your retirement fund and and seize it?  

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Well, they they they're they're I don't know if they're gonna seize it. They're gonna take and sell something into it like bonds and take the money out.   And they do that all the time, Larry. That's nothing new or unusual. Your your name is connected to that money.  

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It it like, the the gentleman that was just speaking, what was his name? Dwayne. And they've already done it. You do not own what you think you owe even though it's showing up on your statement. You have beneficial use of those shares.  

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In a contract,   you're still connected to it and does being a national make a difference?  

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No. I can't answer that. I don't think it does because that's their system and not ours, not the organic Okay. Jurisdiction. In any of those in any of those systems, to my knowledge, you can go in and get that amount out. Okay?   That you owe,   and it would be,   it would be very prudent if you've got some sitting in and can get your hands on it to get it out of there where it's probably gonna get stolen or mostly and go put it into something that you control and own and hold.   But the again, that's your decision.   Everybody's   financial situation is different. K?  



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And and so Julie's Julie's opinion was,   opposite of what what you and Dwayne   are advocating?  

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Larry, Larry, can I say something? Can  

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I say something here? So Larry, you have an option. If you don't want to liquidate what you have in your retirement, in your 401, your IRA or your Thrift Savings account or whatever you have, you have the option to convert what you have in there to gold and silver. The problem with that is that you cannot take physical possession of that gold and silver. And people say if you don't have it in your hands, you don't own it. And so, basically, I don't know how it would work as a national if you were to liquidate your IRS and IRA and these retirement accounts. That's an option. My understanding is that even though we are a national, you would still have to pay a penalty on it because it's a retirement account and you're not supposed to have access to that until you reach a certain age. So, I would ask Mark something about this on if you're interested in getting out and doing something with that and using those funds to buy physical   gold and silver and how that would work as a national because he would have the answer to that, I yield. Oh, well. Well, I I think that you can go there and they should Try to have an understanding. That's all.  



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My thoughts is that if you're a national, you should be able to go in there and get out   and all of it, not pay the 30%   or whatever percent is.   But but, you know, I've never put any money in any of that crap my whole career. Because I knew if I did, they were gonna steal it. Okay?   But,   you might want to check on it, Larry.  

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If they   if they steal all of our bank accounts and they steal all of our four zero one ks and retirement accounts, people are gonna see civil war on the streets like they've never seen it before in their entire lives. I think that people would lose paycheck to paycheck.  

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I think that was a much better possibility of happening a year ago than it is now. Okay? Now, Dwayne, we got Larry. I think Samuel's wanting to say something, Samuel. And we still got sketches change of subject here. Samuel,   what's your are you on this topic or off?  

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Well, I feel a little more on the greenback and the bonds. He said   that the use of the greenbacks in the bonds financing had significant   consequences for the economy with greenbacks funding 15% of the war's cost,   but also causing inflation   with prices raising by 14%   in 1862   and twenty five percent in eighteen point six three and eighteen point six four.   In contrast,   bond financing allowed the government to raise funds from investors   with Jay Cook, a   a   financier   selling over $500,000,000   of bonds in individual investors   and country bankers.  

Overall, the choice between greenbacks   and bond financing   was a critical decision for Lincoln and his administration   with   significant implications for the economy and the outcome of the war.   But he was also working with Samuel   Chase, his   Treasury   secretary, to create the first really   national banking system,   and that's what we got after the war. So this whole bond thing   just really goes back to killing people  

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because the next we hit we get the bonds in the World War two or one. Why was there inflation at fourteen and twenty five percent subsequent years?  

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It wasn't backed by gold,  

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agreeing back. No. It's because they didn't take out what they spent into circulation. Circulation. They didn't tax it back out, and the amount of dollars chasing goods grew and prices went up. Okay.  

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But it also wasn't backed by gold.  

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That's a that's a No. No. There's no gold backing, and there wasn't any 28%   interest on Rothschild bonds either. K?  

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Yeah. Which is probably why you don't bonding is poor and stupid. We can go back and and get get justice? I just don't see it.  

[01:45:19] Unknown:

Get justice?  

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Yeah. We do a bond system.   We got the the federal government, now an international   government,   wanting to create   bonds again  

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and and and use all this different terminology  

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when Well if we would have stuck with the gold standard to begin with and never gotten off of it, we would have paid the piper when the piper needed to be paid, and we wouldn't be in this situation now. Well, I it's  

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all what if. Okay?   Sketch, what what if you had a chance to change the subject?  

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Yes. And it is,   it is basically a different subject,   and it is, your opinion. I'm gonna ask your opinion and, hypothetical about that.   Do you believe that the birthright   citizenship,   that, is happening,   will go to the Supreme Court?  

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I'm pretty sure I would think it would, if if they continue to challenge him. And and the democrats are gonna continue to challenge him.   It's a very interesting question, this birthright citizenship   stuff. So Yes. I don't Yes. I don't go ahead.  

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And,   so I'm wondering   by any chance,   I've I think it's amicus or a friend of a court or something.   Amicus curiae. Is there any way that we could attach our issue   after they agree   to hear the case?  

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Is there any way attach our issue you could we could we could submit an amicus case. We could we could submit an amicus jury brief that's called friend of the court, and there's all kinds of people that do it, different entities and organizations   all the time. It's nothing unusual.  

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Okay. So   if we were to do that, it would benefit us?  

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I I don't I don't know if they'd even   read it or pay any attention to it, you know. See, our little deal here, if it gets into some kind of a big forum like that sketch, it has the ability to overturn the whole system.   Right. That's what I'm talking about. Well, the Supreme Court ain't gonna the Supreme Court ain't gonna listen to that.  

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Okay.   Thank you for your opinion. Now I yield. I don't need need I mean, I know it's not opinion.  

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They've already proved it. We've had two cases from American Samoan that went to well, one out of two, one that went to the tenth circuit and got overturned   out of Salt Lake City, and one went through DC and went to the Supreme Court and they did not grant certiorari.   They've already had the chance to hear it.  

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I got you. Alright. So so,   we have to do it through,   the court of pub public opinion  

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is the only way we could change things. Well, that that's the, the only way I figured out this. I've been hack hacking at it for fifteen years.   I I can't get anybody's attention. I talked to people like Todd Callender for two hours. He doesn't get it. I I talked to other people. Larry Beecraft, he doesn't get it.   What the No. F am I supposed to do?  

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I didn't I will I'm not here to piss you off, Roger. I was just asking the question. Okay? So we can change the subject again because you're getting mad. I don't wanna get you mad. Well, it gets me. It's not mad. It's aggravation  

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sketch.   Larry Beacraft   and Todd Callender   can't understand this when it's explained over two hours.   Please.   That's what I say. You people are so I hear you, Mark. You people are so special because you're the ones that resonated to this.   They didn't resonate to it. They're trained, highly skilled attorneys. It went right over their head, man. They can't think outside the box.   You can. This resonated with you. I love you.   Okay? You're the people I've been looking for and trying to aggregate around this for fifteen effing years.   And you see the progress we've made. We've made progress, but it's nowhere near it should be. Yeah, Mark. How you doing, buddy?  



[01:49:47] Unknown:

Hey. Doing well. Got a busy day. Just,   tuned in to catch on what's going on. I I just tuned in. We're talking about the Amicus Curie.   They don't let anyone submit Amicus Curie.   You have to show that you have standing or have an interest a direct interest in that case. In the case. Yeah. And the court right. And the court will   will, grant you,   or or authorize you to go ahead and submit a amicus curie brief.   So you can't not just any Tom, Dick, and Harry can throw in an amicus cure. You gotta have standing. We just recently had   We had to get lead. Maybe somebody hold on. Maybe somebody could remind me. There was, one of the cases, I don't know if it was against Trump or   anyway, it was in the federal courts and the state I think it had to do with, immigration.  

And all these other states were wanting to to pile in.   And the federal court is like, no. This is a federal matter. You don't have standing. You have you don't have a direct interest. And they denied these other states from wanting to put submit amicus curies.   Or even join the case. A lot of them are wanting to join the case. I'm like, sorry. You you don't have standing. You'll be joining this case.   So anyway, just wanted, you know, touch on that. And as far as getting the word out there,   you know, I I feel like   we we really need and I'm gonna do this. I'm just gonna take the bull by the horns. I'm gonna build   a more user friendly website.  

And what we have is okay,   but it's a little outdated   by now.   But we need to make it a little bit more user friendly. Oh, and let me say this.   It took me two weeks.   I'm trained in law and it took me two weeks   to catch on to what Roger is talking about. To have that epiphany moment where you go,   oh my gosh. This all makes sense.   And and the that final piece of the puzzle was when Roger laid down the feudal system. Because I was going around thinking, well, I was born,   you know, an American. I didn't I didn't know the word national at that time, but I was a citizen of The USA,   not just The   US. And I said that from birthright saying, well, they messed up my, you know, for my birth, they misidentified   me. No. They didn't.  

I was born in one of the 50 states   and according to their laws at this time,   or at that time,   I was considered a US citizen. So I gotta change that on my own   and Roger is giving that away for free. But I feel like if we update our website, put some videos on there   and they don't have to be face visit videos, but some of your   there's a little different style of presenting the videos and   and your interviews. What? And then it's a matter of getting on social media and blasting   short little clips,   that would be a hook for somebody who wanna come and learn more.   And if you want to grow,   that's how it will happen.  



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I,   I think Devin and Paul were working together on maybe redoing   the website somehow, Paul. Isn't that right? I don't know if y'all have made any progress on that or if you're still doing it but Mark, plug in with Paul and   and you guys, if you wanna see if you can do something, that's probably the way to do it, okay?   And it was showing up overnight. You don't know the story of this, Mark. I don't think. The Sarah Westall interview, which I still maintains the worst interview I've ever done,   ironically, got the most response of anything I've ever done.   And part one of them was Paul. And so that night after that interview aired, I stayed up all night sending out packages, information because we didn't have a website with it. And so Paul was one of the people that landed here off of that interview and with his skills, and he said, well, I'll put one up. So I didn't I could just send him a link now. I didn't have to stay up all night attaching stuff and all that crap. So anyway, that's literally this has been built by the seat of the pants, folks.  



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I understand. But we if we wanna make that next leap   and really get a wide audience,   we're gonna have to update the website and we gotta do social media marketing. Well, and see, here's another I gotta talk to so many people in a day. Every everybody here can only talk  

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to so many people in a day, but we can reach literally millions Well by putting out short videos. Well, see, here's the other problem. I I feel like we ought to be on x. Okay? But I don't wanna oversee the damn thing and be tied to the computer all day answering questions and everything else. But No. We don't. Some sort of a presence.   Well, we need some sort of a process. You don't have to be answering  

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or posting.   We got we got software. I got software   that I can plug in, and it'll make automatic post. I can load it up a month at a time.   And every day, it can go out and make a, you know, a pre   a premade setup, post. So Okay. Well, I've chosen to let it that you won't have to do anything more than what you're on. Well, and see, and that that's probably my fault because I've become a lead eyed. I don't wanna learn all that crap anymore.  

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But that's one thing that we could really use. The next big step might be some sort of a presence   on on on x. But there's an awful lot of people over there, folks.  

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Bruce.  

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Roger, Mark, I have you. Alright. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Let's get Bruce. Bruce.  

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Thank you, Roger.   I think I've told this story before.   First,   time going to art school in in Louisiana Tech, and,   I was in the classroom,   and,   every desk was taken up. And   and he gave lectures and told what he was in the class and all this stuff. It was the beginning class,   first class in our   area.   And,   at the very end of the hour two hours that we were there,   he said, I gotta give you one advice.   Keep it simple, stupid.   Keep it simple, stupid.   And we all looked at each other. I would never heard that before.   But he was right.   Keep it simple. Well, that's And that's what you do here. Well, that's I try to, Bruce.  



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Okay?   Mark. Alright. We're running out of time. We're running out of time real quick. You you you got more to add to that?  

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Mark, can I have a question?  

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Yes. Go ahead. Go ahead, please.  

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Yeah.   If you closed out an IRA, would it be taxable   No. To a national?  

[01:56:54] Unknown:

No.   No. I don't think so either. Thank you.  

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Now when you Okay. You gotta be careful. Now they might those hold hold on just a second. You gotta be careful when you withdraw those funds   because if you're not careful, they'll do a withholding   right there, and then you'd have to apply for a refund.  

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You gotta get it in for the next year. So that you get all the funds.  

[01:57:16] Unknown:

Yeah. You wanna make sure that you try to get all your funds without any withholdings.  

[01:57:20] Unknown:

Yeah. Fidelity doesn't do withholding.  

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Okay. Good.  

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Okay. Thank you. I got a follow-up, Mark. Yeah. Hold on, Roger. I had something to add to that.  

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I was just gonna say   you might have to file a ten forty and r if they won't agree to do that the next year, and you can get that back. Okay? So who else  

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Yeah. Let me just tie on to that. Yeah. If   don't fret. If something happens and they're just not gonna release funds to you without withholding, there's no way around it.   Don't fret about that. Just follow   ten forty n r   that next tax period and ask for a full refund. I mean, we're getting full refunds.  

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Yep. So that's not a big deal. Don't don't worry about it. Alright. Sketch, were you wanting to add something?  

[01:58:07] Unknown:

Yeah. Well, I wanted to ask Mark,   so   is it your belief that   nationals don't have any standing in a birthright   Supreme Court case?  

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Oh, that's a good question.  

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It is. I think it depends on who who's involved,   you know. I I think it it it depends on the facts of the case.  

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You may or may not have it. You just have to look at the Yeah. And You know? And this is not Trump's not challenging birthright citizenship overall.   He's he's pursuing it where it doesn't apply to the 20 to 40,000,000   people they've let in here in the last couple years.  

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I gotcha. I gotcha. And one last question is,   so you talked to Paul about   revamping   the the website?   Well, him and Devin were already talking about it, for a while ago, and I don't know I was talk I was asking Mark if he was talking to   to to,   Big Ball.  

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All fake.  

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I'm not talking to anybody about the website until I stop all these scam leaks.  

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Okay. Fair enough.  

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Roger. I have a question. God's sake. Alright. Hold on. God almighty.  

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Hi, Roger. I have a question about on this circus. Go ahead, Julie. You're the female. Come on. No. It's Sherry.  

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And it's about the standing. Since all authority   of, governance comes from the people, wouldn't the people, and especially as the national always have any standing in any court case?  

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Standing is according to Barnes, standing is a bullshit doctrine, and we're the only country in the world that has it, Julie. And it's a way years ago that the judges   decided that they could avoid hot potatoes.   K?  

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Hey, Roger.  

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Yes, sir. Yes.  

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Yes. Roger.   Hi. I'm just dropping in. I'm too late.   I just want to yell at y'all. This is me.   Oh,   Everybody.   Martin.   Martin.   We're ready to hear you.   I've I've got to come back on. I mean,   I've missed you guys so much.   There you go. We missed you. With all of these plane crashes and,   ship crashes.  

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I don't I well, I hadn't need well, the the plane crash you're referring to is probably that one in DC. We still don't have the answers for that.  

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K? Okay. And Yeah. Goes on to take a look. Tomorrow.  

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Okay. If you come back, well, Brent will be   Brent will be here, tomorrow, but you're certainly welcome, Nadine. We'd love to have you. And we're just about finished with the show here.   Very we've had brisk shows lately.   I know one today. And,   tomorrow, of course, is Brent. And, usually, I just turn it over to him. He'll take me wherever he wants, but there's no telling what we'll do. But I know right now, we're off the air. Doctor Paul three b is gonna hit the button, and we're done. See you soon.   Alright. Thank you so much. Now what yeah. Hold on, lady. We're not gone yet. That's just off the broadcast   side. Okay? Okay. We're still here. Okay. Alright. Well, it's good to hear your voice. How are you doing?  



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I'm doing   fantastic.  

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Yeah. You sound really good.  

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But I do fantastic. Whatever. Yeah. The clock.  

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Your audio sounds really good too. Your voice sounds really good. It's really good.  

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God is good. Good. Well, I've got Nadine's one of these folks that used to be around here, has had different challenges and stuff, and now   she's back again. So we're tickled to death to hear her voice.   Welcome, lady. So we got a bunch of new folks on here. You tell them hello. They don't know who you are yet.   But she might be   whose comment.   That go ahead, Joe. Let's see what you got.  

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From the ticker on the news.   USS Harry Truman   collides with   a merchant vessel in the Mediterranean.  

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Oh my god. Jesus.  

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It must be a satellite down. It's not I didn't know. It's DEI, baby.  

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It's that diversity, equity, inclusion.  

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Ew.  

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I was not liking to stop those ships. You can't stop those that ship when, you know, like a car in a hundred yards   or less. Put you on a hundred feet. You can't just slam the brakes on it and you're done. No. No.  

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They got a they got a a a tranny, and there's a captain probably.   They got him promoted on the fast track under DEI.   I didn't know about that, Nadine. I haven't seen that yet. I think that's the correct statement, Roger.   Do what now? No. I think I think your comment is correct.  

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Hi, Joe. How are you doing today?  

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Is she with you?  

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Do do what now? Are you  

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are you talking to us? With you on the broadcast. She used to be with you on the broadcast. Maxine just went in the other room.   Oh, okay.  

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Yeah. Okay. She just texted you to make dinner.  

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Joe, I didn't hear her. I said hi.  

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I will. I bet you're hunkered down up there in Northern Oklahoma. It is really good. Bright sunny day, but it's a cold time again. Yeah. Is it? Okay.   Next week, they're talking about breaking record lows in Oklahoma.  

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Really? It's 51 here in Atlanta.  

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Okay.   Well, we're about in the upper seventies,   here in Ecuador. It's clouded up here. So we don't wanna know that.  

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Well, it is. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.  

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It'd be warmer. It'd be higher when the sun was shining. There's, there's Bori. Hey, Bori. What you got?  

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Hey. How are you, Raya? I'm good. How's it going? Maybe eight.   Hey. Roger, I wanna tell you about, Kurt Elliott. The only thing bad about him that you had to buy an increase of $500,   you know. That's the only thing that is kind of  

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hard, you know. Who who is that? But Is this one of the gold dealers for us?  

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Yeah. The one day it's an Alex Jones. Yeah.   Kurt Elliott   is his name.  

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Kurt Elliott? And they got a minimum of 500?   Yeah. That's the only thing that yeah. He got a minimum of 500. Okay. Yeah. Well, I take if if you don't have over 500, I'd take that. Go buy some junk silver from Andrew,   Miles Franklin.   That'd be another really good option. Possession of it.  

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Well, I always buy an APNets, my junk server, and they always get it real nice and on time. Where are you buying from?   A p   max. It's a as in apple, p as in Peter,   m e x. I gotcha. I gotcha. P max. Okay. Thank you very much. Them. There's a number of very You're welcome.  

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Valid dealers out there.   But the the point is do something   or or else you're gonna I think you'll regret it down the line, but you do what you wanna do. Okay. So what else do we got going on here that we need to discuss today, or can I go? Roger,  

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is that is that   aircraft carrier a Gulf Of Tonkin incident or  

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not is the question.  

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Do what now? Is this collision you're talking about?  

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Yeah. Is it a Gulf Of Tonkin incident?  

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False flag? I no. It   doesn't doesn't I don't know. I have no idea, man.   I just found out about it. First time I heard about it was a few minutes ago. I got no idea.   It's unusual, though.   It wasn't an aircraft carrier. It was a destroyer. Right?   Yes.   Okay.   I don't know. We'll find out more here after yesterday.   It was an aircraft carrier.  

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Yes.  

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Yes. It was Harry Truman's aircraft carrier.  

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It was at night.   Oh, it was at night too.   Yes, ma'am. I hear you. I'm trying to get to you. Couple come on.  

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Thank you, dear.   Good news. RFK   is our,   our manager.  

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Yeah. 5052  

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40 8. I've been wanting to say this since noon, but it's been a lively conversation.   And the nationalstatus.com   is a marvelous website, and the, Radio Ranch is linked to that.   How would, Mark, Devin, and Paul's,   new website,   connect with the nationalstatus.com   website.  

[02:07:11] Unknown:

I'm sure that we're doing it now.   Yeah. I mean, just like we're doing now, we'll have links   to go to Merca's Telegram channel. We'll have a link going to   national status and   those those secondary,   I shouldn't call them secondary, but these these other tools   that people can use,   you just have, like, links right from our from the main website.   Correct. I thought the links already existed from what I probably can do. I don't know if Nash I don't think national status is on the current   the matrixdocs.com.   I don't think it's on Oh, that's the same. That's the same because But I know I know yeah. We really need to get that updated. So,   or add it to it. I could add it to it, but I don't have access to it.  

So,   but, anyway,   we'll we'll get there. We're getting there working on it.  

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Very good. Thank you, Mark.   Have a good day. Thank you, Linda. Thank you, Linda. You. Alrighty.  

[02:08:12] Unknown:

Anybody else, please?  

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Mark? Roger. I know you gotta go to lunch,   Roger. I just wanna tell Mark, I'm sorry. I've been really busy, but I'm gonna contact you about my home.   Whatchamacallit?   What do you call that? Okay. Or something. I love the truck? Or  

[02:08:33] Unknown:

Yes. Okay. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. Alright. You're welcome. Now who was trying to say something there otherwise?  

[02:08:41] Unknown:

It's Larry. I was trying to ask you this during the show,   but I guess you forgot about me, but that's okay.  

[02:08:47] Unknown:

I can't understand why.  

[02:08:53] Unknown:

The two you mentioned you talked with Larry Beacraft and   Todd Callender for two hours. I guess those were separate interviews.   Were those recorded?  

[02:09:04] Unknown:

Beecraft has been aware of this for a long time. I mean,   John spoke with him about the tax issue on the phone for over three hours, and Larry still didn't get it. It that tax is his specialty.   Okay? And and   John's comment, I thought was pretty prescient. He said Larry's been lawyering too long. Okay?   Larry went around going around the country with a guy that's supposedly a constitutional   attorney,   ex military JAG officer, and they were doing seminars.   And when people would ask him about my process here, they said it didn't work in in in open student meetings.   Okay? These two guys right there can't think outside the box   or they've never really sat down and had it explained to them. Well, all of us know how confusing this is.  

Okay? Even for studied attorneys. Look at recently Barnes and   Levin   were within a gnat's hair of it, all over it on this birthright citizenship   thing, and they couldn't see it.   Todd Callender, I personally spoke with for for two hours. He didn't get it.  

[02:10:10] Unknown:

Did you see Todd Callender late recently? He's   very sick. He's wearing   oxygen, and he doesn't look like himself.  

[02:10:19] Unknown:

No. I saw him on an interview with that Veith gal he works with, and he well, I didn't see that, Nadine. That was about maybe a week ago. But if he is, I'm really sorry. He's a really nice guy. I thought he'd get it. I I explained it as good as I could. I really wanted him to get it. Well, he just didn't get it, Larry.   You know, part you know, part of the reason was part of the reason because he's already been contaminated   with Anabon righteous crap.  

[02:10:53] Unknown:

Right. But you say the the,   Sarah Webster   interview was bad,   but I was listening to Espinola,   interview the other day. And I'm here because Sarah Webster and Tim Brown and   the one from,   Espinola,   I really   don't get it as much as when you say it right there with, Sara Wester or Tim Brown.   What you say that one was better, but I found that one day better.  

[02:11:24] Unknown:

You know, Bori, I think it's beauty's in the eye of the beholder. Right?   I I I mean, she was constantly interrupting me. I couldn't hardly ever get a thorough thought out, but the audience evidently liked it. Okay? I mean, I've never had a response   to anything I've done like that Sarah Westall interview. And honestly, I thought it was the worst thing I'd ever done. What, Mark?  

[02:11:47] Unknown:

Well, she has a large audience.  

[02:11:49] Unknown:

You know? So,   you know, who whoever her audience is, they're loyal,   you know, they I guess they can handle her interruptions.   But,   you know, might be time to reach out to her. You got a lot more information now. We've got some success stories to add and   and, and maybe just say, hey, you know, we had some   people say that, you know, I was being interrupted.   And and maybe give give me a little bit more space to to get my thoughts in before you jump in. I could I could reach out to her. I've got her email.  

[02:12:23] Unknown:

Sarah is kind of flitty.   You know, she flits from one topic to another and what's hot and, you know, all that stuff. So I think she's left this national thing in on the back burner and just moved ahead, but I could reach out to her.  

[02:12:39] Unknown:

Well, she she She and I love it. Really like But we're if we're gonna do that, Roger, I'd really like to wait till we have our up our website updated, ready to handle   new people coming in. And then the other thing, when we start doing that, when we go back to, like, touch base with people we've already been interviewed by, Let's give them some stories upfront that can see where our national status   has recently had effect.   And we got one with Child Protective Services. We got another biggie coming up,   and another government agency that are just,   you know, have been jackbook thugs,   in the past. So it's gonna be really surprising when the audience hears   what's happened in this recent story. You know who I'm talking about. Yeah. So we're we gotta get ready for   that next launch and collaborating and get you on some new interviews   and update people. And I think, once we have our our ducks in a row, this thing will grow. Hey, there's my new slogan. You know, you realize that  

[02:13:43] Unknown:

when I did the Sarah Westall interview, we didn't even have a website. That's what Paul put together a couple of days later. So,  

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anyway, we'll see what it says. Day by day deal.  

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And I'm not opposed to any of that. I'm not opposed to firming up our our foundations wherever we need to.  

[02:14:01] Unknown:

So, Roger, here's here's your new slogan. When our ducks end the row, we will grow.  

[02:14:07] Unknown:

We will grow. Okay.   Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna grow on into the bathroom and do a little break here for a minute   because I get on there. I have two cups of coffee and a and my health drink, and then I don't do anything for two hours. And Yeah. That's what I need to do. So, anyway, I will, see y'all tomorrow with Brent. Good show today. Thanks for your contribution if in fact you did. And and, I hope you got something out of it, and we'll see you tomorrow. Is that good? Blessings, Robert. Thank you, Robert. Thank God, Lord. We love you. Alright.  

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Hey. Hey, Boris.  

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Yes, sir.  

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I don't know if you've,  

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watched or heard,   God's trump card with   his interview with   Badass Uncle Sam. That's one of Rogers, one of one of Rogers' favorites. So it's on Rumble,  

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and it's with Badass   Uncle Sam.  

[02:15:05] Unknown:

Okay. Okay. Yeah. I I could you know, it's it's not really for me. It's for the people that try to   get into this, you know, the   I I think the, you know,   it's it was much better, the one from Sarah West and Tim Brown than the one for, you know, Espanola was like chewing and everything and choking with food, you know. Yeah. I don't know. You know?   I think that the one that he say it was bad, it's the best.   But, you know, that's my opinion.  

[02:15:38] Unknown:

Well, as Roger said, you know, beauty's in the eye of the beholder. So whoever   listens,   you know, it's up to them. Oh, yeah. That that helped me  

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explain the  

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the the information.  

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I yield. Yes, sir.   Good.  

[02:15:58] Unknown:

Always good to hear the glass is half full, Mark.   Roger,   Sketch, et al.   We're at the golden the golden age right now. We just don't realize   that we can give everything back to them. We don't need to own everything.   I yield, except for silver.   Blessings, Idaho. Blessings, Oklahoma.  

[02:16:20] Unknown:

Blessings to all of you.   And something that I don't agree with Roger is about Donald Trump.   He don't have authority to take Gaza or doing much of the stuff that he's doing with Israel,   you know, but a lot of people is blind to it, you know, and that's my  

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opinion. Trump is just a trustee.  

[02:16:52] Unknown:

Hey, can anyone out here, will you give   a thought on,   what about becoming priority creditor through a UCC process?   Go ahead and file a bond   in with Treasury   as it relates to   your all caps name,   the principal.   Has anyone heard of that?  

[02:17:17] Unknown:

Yes. I've heard of some   of what   you're basically returning the use of Fruct because whoever has the use of Fruct is   so fuked.   So,   and there are some different I don't know all the instruments to use or that specific one, but   you can you didn't do that in court court cases where you turn the judge into, you know, you basically   turn back every like the name and everything, all their interests back to The United States. So instead of you being on the receiving end of the brunt of all the   all the issues including debt   and high yield?  



[02:17:54] Unknown:

Yeah. It's something of that nature. I've gone through on the SPC process,   not having gone through it. I've just been reading through it. And Yusuf L on on YouTube swears by it, and a bunch of people are are swearing by it at this point.   So I don't know if anyone else had any thoughts on all of that. I mean, since we go and get our our our,   what you call it, our passport and stuff, we do it's not like we zero interact with State Department or Treasury. So   since we since we don't have a zero interaction policy with them in certain ways, why not   finish that loop and close that loop by doing an SBC process   to become   the priority creditor   as a UCC   filing with Treasury.  

But  

[02:18:45] Unknown:

no one knows much about what's that possible. Right. Yeah. I don't I don't, I'm just really investigating it now based on,   the study of the the whole use of rough concept.   But, yeah, part of that is   you do want to deal with treasury because the Federal Reserve obviously is not   treasury,   but there still is a treasury there and you can return   all   the debt to them, all the interest in The United States   back to them.  

[02:19:14] Unknown:

Basically, in each new debt that comes in, you   treat your account like a checkbook. You have a $250,000,000   bond and you pay off your mortgage. You take $250,000,000   put a negative sign under it and put the amount that was paid off. Now that's deducted from your bond.  

[02:19:32] Unknown:

Yes, I don't know the actual mechanics, yes.  

[02:19:35] Unknown:

That's   essentially the mechanic that ends up being in play afterwards and it sort of makes sense   as we are the actual contracted beneficiary   and our posterity, right?   And so it does make a certain sense.  

[02:19:52] Unknown:

Yes, that I've heard that about that. I don't know the mechanics of it, but the one that I was recently learning about was they were actually   making I think filling out the UCC and putting the hospital where you were born   as   the and then basically the mortgage disappears because the mortgage cannot be attached to property at least in Florida. I don't know. I haven't I just started looking at the law in Idaho where I am, but I'm not sure. You're in Massachusetts, right? Massachusetts,   yes. I'm not sure about that, but I know that the mortgages are just securities and they can't   be attached actually to the property. The property is just basically pledged. Right?  



[02:20:32] Unknown:

Yeah. Chances are we're going to find lots of help inside of,   inside   of, 15 USC   you   know, fair credit reporting and all of that. I love the song that's on, by the way.  

[02:20:47] Unknown:

Yeah. Who's playing that? Yeah. I don't know.  

[02:20:53] Unknown:

It's really nice, man. Paul, are you playing now?  

[02:20:59] Unknown:

No. I think it's somebody's hold music. I think it's, I think it's lady Linda Louise's hold music.  

[02:21:06] Unknown:

You know what? Could very well be.  

[02:21:09] Unknown:

Hey. I have a question for everybody.   Since USAID   and the funding has been shut off,   has anybody noticed if there have been chem trials or not in the sky?   Because I've been under cloud cover   for seven to ten days. For the first day, it looks like real clouds and no chemtrails  

[02:21:32] Unknown:

are yield. I've seen chemtrails yesterday. I'm in the Atlanta area.  

[02:21:38] Unknown:

Okay. Thank you.  

[02:21:40] Unknown:

I listen to the movie, and I don't look up.  

[02:21:44] Unknown:

That was Sherry? I haven't seen them yet. So Sherry has been pummeled pummeled with them all day long, all all morning, and all day yesterday as well. Every day, we're pummeled with them nonstop.   Yield.  

[02:21:56] Unknown:

This is bullshit and I hope somebody has helped address this.  

[02:22:01] Unknown:

I have a question about U. S.   ID also. Does that mean the real ID is going to be canceled?   I yield I yield.  

[02:22:11] Unknown:

Mhmm. So I don't think that got to do with the real ID. I don't think so.  

[02:22:17] Unknown:

Yeah. I tried to put put  

[02:22:20] Unknown:

Yeah. I kinda doubt it does.  

[02:22:22] Unknown:

That was a joke for  

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it. Jones and   Oh, yeah. Hi. Hi.  

[02:22:29] Unknown:

Yeah. It's hard to say. I I I don't know if it would be I don't know if they're fully related, although, technically, everything's related. It's just the federal government.  

[02:22:38] Unknown:

Yeah. And all the money that they save you with US ID   and all those   they don't stop the Israel money. They keep sending money over there.  

[02:22:48] Unknown:

Yeah. They got some plan with Israel, dude. I don't appreciate what's going on. Just like you were saying, bro.   I forgot your name, but  

[02:22:56] Unknown:

I'm sort of with you. Yeah. Body. Body. Body. Yeah. It's okay, buddy, man. Yeah.  

[02:23:01] Unknown:

Yep. So yeah.   Rumbling.   Rumbling.   Yeah.   Have you heard that ongoing   low rumbling   thunder?   It could be raining. It could not.  

[02:23:18] Unknown:

Who? Of course. That's why I've been in under rain for five days in a row in here.  

[02:23:24] Unknown:

That that rumbling you hear is is Elon's boring machine going down below your house.  

[02:23:31] Unknown:

That's too funny.   Hey, guys.   Since since we're talking here, do do what kind of trust do you feel like you have in that, in that team, in in the Donald and the Elon and the DOS? Do you guys actually trust it? I mean, I part two and I part half of the I don't trust none of them.  

[02:23:49] Unknown:

Fair. Oh. Okay. Elon   Elon's company is called SubEx, the one that goes underneath.  

[02:23:55] Unknown:

Yeah. I'm not sure. I've seen them all, so I didn't to. Into his family. Oh, another thing, you know,  

[02:24:04] Unknown:

he haven't take the vaccine now or nothing like that.   And I don't know. He had to do good things,  

[02:24:13] Unknown:

but he's doing a bunch of vaccines in the back. It seems like that that's entirely possible, and I didn't take that vaccine either, by the way.  

[02:24:23] Unknown:

So I take it nothing has changed as far as Elon is concerned?   He might be a good guy. He might be a bad guy.  

[02:24:33] Unknown:

I have a feeling that you guys can go ahead. Sorry.  

[02:24:37] Unknown:

I was just gonna say that in any event, we're all vessels for the almighty.   And the almighty,   the word says,   anything done in the dark will be brought to the light, and that is what is happening.  

[02:24:51] Unknown:

Okay. It's like an insurance policy. I agree.  

[02:24:54] Unknown:

I   it doesn't rain.  

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That's movie.  

[02:25:01] Unknown:

Yeah.   Okay. Yeah. K. So that's what's wrong with it.  

[02:25:09] Unknown:

And they asked him if what jurisdiction   what power that he got to take,   Gaza,   and he don't   answer the question. He just keep bouncing around telling him   everybody how good it will be. But, you know, he don't say nothing about   with war law on the war law he's taking that country. You know?  

[02:25:35] Unknown:

Without looking at it. Well, yeah. But but it he has the experience on the line.  

[02:25:41] Unknown:

The switch or the power supply to the modem. I don't know if the switch or the guy in the heck  

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is required.  

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I don't.  

[02:25:59] Unknown:

Hey. Can someone hit me on what does usurp mean again? I I I remember the sovereign living guy. I love him. I love that guy. Forget his name.   I got that definition from him when he went over it. Can someone tell me?  

[02:26:13] Unknown:

Only with him. The one from Australia?  

[02:26:16] Unknown:

I don't even I don't even happen. You know, I met him at a car wash and he was  

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All around me.  

[02:26:31] Unknown:

Yeah.   We went to us,   and we were   you know, you know me. I share stuff I know. Mhmm. Okay?   He got turned up or I don't know what happened. He was gonna rent one of my properties and   I think he just feeds me.   Okay. Whatever.   You know, I'm done with you. Right. You know? Because I don't receive anything. Paul, can you mute that?  

[02:27:00] Unknown:

Hey, Cheryl, and I don't think she realizes   that she is unmuted.   Cheryl, we're hearing your private conversation.  

[02:27:09] Unknown:

After telling me, I can fix it all.   Mhmm. Okay. He moves in, and he goes, oh, this is broken. I said, can you fix it? Yeah. I'm an handyman and I can do this and I I've   I've I've repaired home  

[02:27:27] Unknown:

Hey, Gigi. You're unmuted.  

[02:27:30] Unknown:

Thank you.  

[02:27:32] Unknown:

Thank you.  

[02:27:33] Unknown:

Somebody mute her.  

[02:27:38] Unknown:

Sherry, this is Arianna Jacksonville.   Who's the student   that was explaining about use of front?  

[02:27:48] Unknown:

Yeah. It's George from yes. I yield. Yep. Use of the fruit while you retain the right to disposal.   So   the idea is that when you are   registered   with the,   with the birth,   it takes the event and then they use that name and   then   they use that   and then   we're we're trained in school and whatnot to believe we are that name.   And so   it's like a a perfect parallel. We believe in Santa Claus.   So we're believing in something that they created.   So   the idea is that you whoever   is the,   has the usufruct is so   fuked.   So that's kind of the   basics of the slaves of the Roman Empire, they had all the skills,   all the labor,   but they were just being used by the politicians   and so   there's a there's tools   that   for remedy that were created as part of this   so that it wouldn't be involuntary servitude   and what is talked about like at UCC level and within the IRS different forms, you could basically return what's called the reversionary   interest back to the trust that is called The United States. Is it the giant   trust. And, Boris has that usufruct loop. She might have to use Yandex to find it.  

I think Sovereign Living might have posted it on his YouTube channel,   but you can go through   the explanation of what usufruct is and then how even down at the court, case level,   you can basically   return things so you don't become,   you know, you're not the usufruct anymore, which they can jail or fine or do all those things with.   So that's that's what I know about it so far.  

[02:29:43] Unknown:

It's coming up to 02:00. We've got about sixty seconds before the top of the hour, so I'm taking the station down.   Thank you for joining us for this episode of the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales. Catch us here Monday through Saturday, 11AM eastern,   to 1PM   eastern time. Don't forget Paul English live coming up in literally sixty minutes and thirty five seconds.   Thank you so much for joining us today. We will catch you right back here hopefully tomorrow   for Brent Allen Winters and Roger Sales for the Friday edition of the Radio Ranch. Thanks so much again. I'm out of here. Have a great day,   and,   be sure and catch the archive. You can find the links on the matrixstocks.com.  

Bye now. Blasting the voice of freedom worldwide, you're listening to the Global Voice Radio Network.  

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Bye bye, boys. Have fun the  

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king.