Join us on the Tech for Climate Action Podcast as we chat with Mary de Wysoki, Cisco's Chief Sustainability Officer, in Washington DC. Mary discusses her role and strategy for embedding sustainability across all functions at Cisco.
Key topics include decarbonizing business practices, fostering product circularity, and the challenges of diverse global policies. Discover how AI, cybersecurity, and IoT are shaping Cisco’s sustainable future. Plus, gain insights into how organizations can start their journey towards tech-enabled sustainability. Tune in to learn how Cisco leverages technology to create a more inclusive and resilient future.
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Welcome back to the Tech forClimate Action Podcast, and this time we're out on the road. We're in America. We're in Washington DC, and we'reobviously talking about climate. I'm delighted to be here at theCisco office with Mary de Wysoki. Thank you very much for inviting us. How are you, Mary? Wonderful and welcome toCisco in Washington, DC. So you are Cisco's chiefSustainability Officer. Can you just tell me a littlebit about what that means and what your day-to-day is like? Sure. So I'm actually the firstChief sustainability officer at Cisco, which is cool in theway that you can define what's.
Most needed right now. We've actually, as a company though,been investing in this space since the early 2000, but we did in a verycollaborative space with folks in supply chain and folks in corporateaffairs and workplace resources. But as. The kind of regulatory environmenthas been shifting and changing. We felt it was really importantto create the office, but still in a very collaborative way. So one of the first things that Idid is developed a sustainability council with representatives acrossthe company, because the goal of any Chief Sustainability Officer,quite frankly, is to really embed sustainability into all functions,into every decisions employees make.
And so it's a combination of howdo we decarbonize our own business? How do we reach our net zero goals? How do we foster circularity? How do we think about the way wedesign our products, manufacture them? How do we help our customers leverageour products in a way that deliver their business outcomes, but alsounderstand how it can help them achieve their sustainability goals as well? So in some ways, it's really. How do you harness the capability, thetechnology that Cisco creates to deliver both on the business side at the sametime, on the sustainability as well. And you are known, I mean foranybody that doesn't know Cisco, if you are in the tech world, youbasically have connected the internet.
You are the market leader. I would say for the past 30 odd years. So certainly people working intelecoms, which is where I originally worked, Cisco was a big name. What are your customers saying to youat the moment about sustainability? So we've got ai, we'vegot increased data usage. I don't think that's going away. And we also want more and moreconnectivity and faster connectivity. So what does that mean for you? I still think it still starts withthe business requirements that the technology leaders that the businessexecutives are grappling with, how are we gonna deliver ultimately the businessoutcomes their customers are looking for?
It starts there, but as you think about. The additional questions they're askingme is, how can we design our products in a way that is the most energy efficient? How are we designing in circularity,which is really thinking through more modular products, designing out waste,thinking about multiple life cycles. They want information from us, and oneof the big things that they're looking for is help me understand what the. Carbon footprint of our products are,they're looking for us to come in and help them design the most recentarchitectures, which allows them more often than not to decrease theirfootprint, which lowers their costs, which lowers their energy requirement.
So in some ways, they're looking forus to show up as trusted partners to help them achieve multiple goals. You mentioned circularity. I'm fascinated by that. So to me as an engineer circularity,the idea of reusing, fixing things, being able to make things moreinteroperable was something that probably my grandfather taught me actually. And then it seemed to go away. Like we could just buy things socheap, we didn't really worry about it. But you mentioned it. So is that something youare really focused on? Re the circularity idea? It is a huge part of oursustainability strategy.
When I think about our strategy, itstarts with how do we accelerate? The transition to cleaner energy. But the second major pillar is howdo we further transition to circular? And to your point, I grew up ina world which was linear, which was how do you make something,you use it and you throw it out. And in reality, as we're nowthinking through the implications, we realize there are finite resources. So how do you reuse, how do you reallythink about those precious resources in a way that you are maximizing the value? But you also are grappling with thisidea of instead of that linear concept, can I actually design more of a closedloop that we think upfront how to design our products in a way that couldhave multiple life cycles, that as you're even thinking about end of life.
Is it more easily disassembled? Is it more easily recycled? Even if you think about recycling, howsustainable is that motion as well? So what we're seeing, especially Iwill say in some of our colleagues and customers in Europe, they're requiring usto really understand how we're doing it. In fact, we are. At a point where a hundred percent ofall new products and packaging include these circular design principleswill be across all our products as we start our next fiscal year. Now our audience a lot of themare actually policy makers. So both here in the US andparticularly in Brussels or in Europe.
Do you struggle with differentpolicies in different places? Or do you have a message for po policymakers what really they should be thinking about from your point of view? 'cause it must be a bit confusingto be told, now we've got this priority, now we've got that priority. How do you deal with policy makers? I think that we have such a strongpartnership with policy makers when I think about really understanding howdo you create an environment where you've got innovation, where you'realso thinking about the kind of current. Competitive environment, which I know iscritical in so many parts of the world.
At the same time, you'redesigning for the future as well. It's a really interesting space that Ithink we really align well is envisioning. What the world looks like today,but then what incentives, what information will help you create a moresuccessful, innovative, competitive environment into future as well? When I think about one of thekey areas that we really, I think really have in common is. What came to mind is likehunger for information. How do we know what we know? What is the data that willallow us to create insights and inferences moving forward?
So for example, when I think about evenour net zero commitment, the ability for us to model it out, the abilityfor us to think through, what do we see the product evolution to look like? What do we see the customer demand? And then ultimately, how do wereport it out in a way that all of our global audience can understand? So to me, it's, it really isaround how we incentivizing. Kinda economic opportunity for all. How are we creating an environmentwhere it's understood what information really means. And I think that's where some of thevoluntary reporting that we produce is really helpful because it givesyou a little bit more information about what we do in communitiesand how at the end of the day.
You can trust us, whether you're acustomer, whether you're a policymaker, whether you're an employee. It really comes down to deliveringthat trusted partnership. Now, you mentioned AI as well. I'm fascinated, I think,as most people are by ai. It feels like we're justat the start of a wave. But what does AI mean for Cisco, andactually what does it mean for your role as the chief sustainability officer? I think first some people think it's new. But actually we've been using forms ofartificial intelligence for a while. I always talk a little bit abouthow we use it in our collaboration capability, our WebEx system.
It allows you to have really meaningfulcollaboration across continents across. States across countries, and oneof the easy ways that I think about how we use ai, for example, in thatsituation is the ability for it to cancel out noise that you may notwant showing up in your meeting. So for me, I always think about my rescuedog who's barking in the background and be able to cancel that out. The ability for it to provide transcripts,the ability for it to help me with some of my note taking right off the bat. Some of these things are really.
Optimizing that collaborative environment. But where we're really seeing ittoday is how are we building out these larger language models? We being the world, differentcompanies, different organizations, and how Cisco shows up is designingfor AI ready data centers. And when you think about that,it really comes all the way down to how we design the products. AI ready. Chips. So one of the things that maybe peopledon't realize is we create our own chips. A silicon one is a bespokechip that really is use base. And what is great about designingchips specifically for a particular use case is you can reallyensure that you're maximizing the performance at the same time you're.
Decreasing the energy consumption. And then on top of that, as you'rebuilding into the product, you end up often seeing maybe less optical,or the fact that it's more modular can decrease the overall footprint. So when I think aboutai, I. It is the future. How are we designing ourproducts to harness it? How are we anticipating the energydemand, designing for it in the product, designing for it in the field? I'll tell you, there are examples wherewe work with a customer and when you look at their current data center footprintand then you enhance it, you modernize it, refresh it with the latest capability.
It's often half the footprint,which right there you're getting increased performance, but loweringthe footprint, which means lowering the cost of energy the loss, thedecrease in the need for cooling. So what I see AI doing iscreating more product innovation. We see it as we explore in thedata center of new forms of cooling and liquid cooling capability. But I also say where. Am I seeing the biggestuse cases right now? So I'd probably point out too,obviously we're all experienced maybe more of AI agentic agentsas we talk to customer service organizations now around the world.
And so we're seeing and using thatinternally as a first line within our customers CX organization as well. But I see a huge use case rightnow, one of those critical areas, which is cybersecurity. Imagine you've got this hugenetwork around the world and you've got information coming and going. How can you identify potentialthreats as quickly as possible? How can you ring fence that threat? How can you offer up to thatciso, that security officer information about what you couldpossibly do as quickly as possible? So it provides not only the kindof the capability to secure more and more critical infrastructure.
But it offers up those suggestions. I think it's gonna change the way we work. Yeah, I think I think it alreadyis, which is fascinating, isn't it? That we're moving into a new. Area. Cybersecurity, that'sa big thing for Cisco. It's a big thing inthe media all the time. I've just come from the UK, asyou probably tell from my accent. And I think we've had four majorretailers hacked in the past two weeks, and it literally means thatthere's not as much food on the shelf. One of the, one of the top brands now hashalf empty stores because of a cyber hack. So is that the bigchallenge of the moment for.
Clients that you are talking to. It's certainly not goingaway is a problem, is it? I do think it's a huge opportunity. I do think this is one of the areas wherewe're always working with our customers to really think through when is theright time to refresh their technology. I think it's one of the areas that, thatpeople may not understand how critical it is to make sure that you're using thelatest software that often has all of the most important cybersecurity elements. One of the things by embedding. Cybersecurity into the network, right? You're touching more partsof the technology as well.
And I think then leveraging AI on top ofit, I think this is one of the areas where more and more of our lives are digitized. When I think about it from thesustainability perspective, I think about grids and I think about utilityproviders and how those are critical. Infrastructure for so manycommunities and do they have the right cybersecurity as well. So I do think it's a critical areathat especially I think small, medium businesses may not be as well equippedas I think they need to be in the future. I. Another area that you touched uponis also iot, the internet of things.
So these are all the little devices,like the smart thermostat in the room that were in your home security cameras. It can be all sorts of differentthings, but they're all intelligent. They're all connected. Potentially they're all also a threator could be turned into a threat. So in that area, are you also trying tohelp maybe your partner organizations with their sustainability strategies? 'cause it's not alwaysCisco equipment, is it? But. But often it's very closepartners who are providing that. You mentioned you started in the telecomside of the house and so did I. And remember there was that one room, theswitch room where all of that information was, and you kinda had to secure that.
But you're absolutely right. As technology moves more and more into theedge you need to be able to secure that. It's also providing a tonof information back as well. I think about whether it's devicesin a building like we have here in our Washington DC office, whetherit's our access points that allows for our wifi, but it's also pullinginformation about how how we could control lights or who's in the officeis prepping a lot of information that is in your hands as well, but even onthe sustainability side, imagine these. Devices out there in the wild or inthe field, the information that it's providing, whether the health of a soilor more early warning for severe weather.
So to me, the combination of IO OTprovides so much information, and this is again, where the ability of. Information gathering, the ability tohave observability to see information. This is where, quite frankly,our acquisition of Splunk has been so powerful. The ability to get all types ofdata pulled together and making sense of that is so critical becauseonce you have the information, make sense of it, it allows you tomanage, it allows you to take action. So for example, you may say the sun isnow shining in from our southern windows. Let's pull down the blinds, whichdecreases energy consumption, or there's part of this building,no one's in the office.
Let's turn X, y, Z off. Again, we grew up in a time wheretechnology had to be always on, and that's not the case now. Now it's really about how do youprovide that information and manage it to the best business outcome, andquite frankly, the sustainability. Where we're seeing it with ourpartners is they're such a big part of how we work and partner togetherto support our end customers. And they're looking to really designthe end solution that really provides the highest level of performance,the ability to manage it, the maximum security, the ability to understand.
Where workloads are happening andbeing able to take actions as well. A great example that we probably thinkabout every day is just making a choice of, do I download this new update,whether it's on my mobile phone or my WebEx device or a particular server? Even that kind of informationputs more power in the hands of a technology leader who can make theright choices for their environment. As we come towards the end of thisepisode, it's absolutely fascinating, but if somebody's listeningto this and they're thinking. Where do I start with mytechnology and sustainability?
What are your top three tips thatyou would give an organization thinking about these things? I think just like anythingelse, you probably need to understand where are you today? It's probably one of the most importantthings for people to understand their current technology environment. What is it delivering in terms ofthe capability that allows you to also understand what is the currentcarbon footprint of your environment? I think it's. Understanding the businessstrategy and how the technology can enable that business strategy. And more and more often you see inthat business strategy, there are elements of sustainability as well.
I would also suggest that technologymindfully deployed can really deliver some amazing outcomes for a customer. A company, but also the communitiesthat we also live, work, and create in. When I think about our purpose, it'sa power and inclusive future for all. And when I think about what doesthat inclusive future look it really is an environment wherewe're closing the digital divide. We're creating equal economic opportunitythat we're helping build the skills needed for now and the future, butwe're also creating resiliency. In that environment, the abilityto anticipate whether it is an economic shock or a severe weatherevent that we're thinking through what are the skills that communityneeds as we move into this AI age.
It's about helping them adapt tothe shifting and changing of the weather patterns that they'reseeing in their area as well. At the end of the day, I wouldsay come partner with Cisco. Good. Good way to end. Mary, thank you so much for coming onthe Tech for Climate Action Podcast. Thank you also for supporting our events. I should also say if you wantto meet Mary and other thought leaders like her, please do cometo a tech for climate action event. But for now, thank you somuch and great conversation. Thank you. A pleasure as always.
Welcome back to the Tech forClimate Action Podcast, and this time we're out on the road. We're in America. We're in Washington DC, and we'reobviously talking about climate. I'm delighted to be here at theCisco office with Mary de Wysoki. Thank you very much for inviting us. How are you, Mary? Wonderful and welcome toCisco in Washington, DC. So you are Cisco's chiefSustainability Officer. Can you just tell me a littlebit about what that means and what your day-to-day is like? Sure. So I'm actually the firstChief sustainability officer at Cisco, which is cool in theway that you can define what's.
Most needed right now. We've actually, as a company though,been investing in this space since the early 2000, but we did in a verycollaborative space with folks in supply chain and folks in corporateaffairs and workplace resources. But as. The kind of regulatory environmenthas been shifting and changing. We felt it was really importantto create the office, but still in a very collaborative way. So one of the first things that Idid is developed a sustainability council with representatives acrossthe company, because the goal of any Chief Sustainability Officer,quite frankly, is to really embed sustainability into all functions,into every decisions employees make.
And so it's a combination of howdo we decarbonize our own business? How do we reach our net zero goals? How do we foster circularity? How do we think about the way wedesign our products, manufacture them? How do we help our customers leverageour products in a way that deliver their business outcomes, but alsounderstand how it can help them achieve their sustainability goals as well? So in some ways, it's really. How do you harness the capability, thetechnology that Cisco creates to deliver both on the business side at the sametime, on the sustainability as well. And you are known, I mean foranybody that doesn't know Cisco, if you are in the tech world, youbasically have connected the internet.
You are the market leader. I would say for the past 30 odd years. So certainly people working intelecoms, which is where I originally worked, Cisco was a big name. What are your customers saying to youat the moment about sustainability? So we've got ai, we'vegot increased data usage. I don't think that's going away. And we also want more and moreconnectivity and faster connectivity. So what does that mean for you? I still think it still starts withthe business requirements that the technology leaders that the businessexecutives are grappling with, how are we gonna deliver ultimately the businessoutcomes their customers are looking for?
It starts there, but as you think about. The additional questions they're askingme is, how can we design our products in a way that is the most energy efficient? How are we designing in circularity,which is really thinking through more modular products, designing out waste,thinking about multiple life cycles. They want information from us, and oneof the big things that they're looking for is help me understand what the. Carbon footprint of our products are,they're looking for us to come in and help them design the most recentarchitectures, which allows them more often than not to decrease theirfootprint, which lowers their costs, which lowers their energy requirement.
So in some ways, they're looking forus to show up as trusted partners to help them achieve multiple goals. You mentioned circularity. I'm fascinated by that. So to me as an engineer circularity,the idea of reusing, fixing things, being able to make things moreinteroperable was something that probably my grandfather taught me actually. And then it seemed to go away. Like we could just buy things socheap, we didn't really worry about it. But you mentioned it. So is that something youare really focused on? Re the circularity idea? It is a huge part of oursustainability strategy.
When I think about our strategy, itstarts with how do we accelerate? The transition to cleaner energy. But the second major pillar is howdo we further transition to circular? And to your point, I grew up ina world which was linear, which was how do you make something,you use it and you throw it out. And in reality, as we're nowthinking through the implications, we realize there are finite resources. So how do you reuse, how do you reallythink about those precious resources in a way that you are maximizing the value? But you also are grappling with thisidea of instead of that linear concept, can I actually design more of a closedloop that we think upfront how to design our products in a way that couldhave multiple life cycles, that as you're even thinking about end of life.
Is it more easily disassembled? Is it more easily recycled? Even if you think about recycling, howsustainable is that motion as well? So what we're seeing, especially Iwill say in some of our colleagues and customers in Europe, they're requiring usto really understand how we're doing it. In fact, we are. At a point where a hundred percent ofall new products and packaging include these circular design principleswill be across all our products as we start our next fiscal year. Now our audience a lot of themare actually policy makers. So both here in the US andparticularly in Brussels or in Europe.
Do you struggle with differentpolicies in different places? Or do you have a message for po policymakers what really they should be thinking about from your point of view? 'cause it must be a bit confusingto be told, now we've got this priority, now we've got that priority. How do you deal with policy makers? I think that we have such a strongpartnership with policy makers when I think about really understanding howdo you create an environment where you've got innovation, where you'realso thinking about the kind of current. Competitive environment, which I know iscritical in so many parts of the world.
At the same time, you'redesigning for the future as well. It's a really interesting space that Ithink we really align well is envisioning. What the world looks like today,but then what incentives, what information will help you create a moresuccessful, innovative, competitive environment into future as well? When I think about one of thekey areas that we really, I think really have in common is. What came to mind is likehunger for information. How do we know what we know? What is the data that willallow us to create insights and inferences moving forward?
So for example, when I think about evenour net zero commitment, the ability for us to model it out, the abilityfor us to think through, what do we see the product evolution to look like? What do we see the customer demand? And then ultimately, how do wereport it out in a way that all of our global audience can understand? So to me, it's, it really isaround how we incentivizing. Kinda economic opportunity for all. How are we creating an environmentwhere it's understood what information really means. And I think that's where some of thevoluntary reporting that we produce is really helpful because it givesyou a little bit more information about what we do in communitiesand how at the end of the day.
You can trust us, whether you're acustomer, whether you're a policymaker, whether you're an employee. It really comes down to deliveringthat trusted partnership. Now, you mentioned AI as well. I'm fascinated, I think,as most people are by ai. It feels like we're justat the start of a wave. But what does AI mean for Cisco, andactually what does it mean for your role as the chief sustainability officer? I think first some people think it's new. But actually we've been using forms ofartificial intelligence for a while. I always talk a little bit abouthow we use it in our collaboration capability, our WebEx system.
It allows you to have really meaningfulcollaboration across continents across. States across countries, and oneof the easy ways that I think about how we use ai, for example, in thatsituation is the ability for it to cancel out noise that you may notwant showing up in your meeting. So for me, I always think about my rescuedog who's barking in the background and be able to cancel that out. The ability for it to provide transcripts,the ability for it to help me with some of my note taking right off the bat. Some of these things are really.
Optimizing that collaborative environment. But where we're really seeing ittoday is how are we building out these larger language models? We being the world, differentcompanies, different organizations, and how Cisco shows up is designingfor AI ready data centers. And when you think about that,it really comes all the way down to how we design the products. AI ready. Chips. So one of the things that maybe peopledon't realize is we create our own chips. A silicon one is a bespokechip that really is use base. And what is great about designingchips specifically for a particular use case is you can reallyensure that you're maximizing the performance at the same time you're.
Decreasing the energy consumption. And then on top of that, as you'rebuilding into the product, you end up often seeing maybe less optical,or the fact that it's more modular can decrease the overall footprint. So when I think aboutai, I. It is the future. How are we designing ourproducts to harness it? How are we anticipating the energydemand, designing for it in the product, designing for it in the field? I'll tell you, there are examples wherewe work with a customer and when you look at their current data center footprintand then you enhance it, you modernize it, refresh it with the latest capability.
It's often half the footprint,which right there you're getting increased performance, but loweringthe footprint, which means lowering the cost of energy the loss, thedecrease in the need for cooling. So what I see AI doing iscreating more product innovation. We see it as we explore in thedata center of new forms of cooling and liquid cooling capability. But I also say where. Am I seeing the biggestuse cases right now? So I'd probably point out too,obviously we're all experienced maybe more of AI agentic agentsas we talk to customer service organizations now around the world.
And so we're seeing and using thatinternally as a first line within our customers CX organization as well. But I see a huge use case rightnow, one of those critical areas, which is cybersecurity. Imagine you've got this hugenetwork around the world and you've got information coming and going. How can you identify potentialthreats as quickly as possible? How can you ring fence that threat? How can you offer up to thatciso, that security officer information about what you couldpossibly do as quickly as possible? So it provides not only the kindof the capability to secure more and more critical infrastructure.
But it offers up those suggestions. I think it's gonna change the way we work. Yeah, I think I think it alreadyis, which is fascinating, isn't it? That we're moving into a new. Area. Cybersecurity, that'sa big thing for Cisco. It's a big thing inthe media all the time. I've just come from the UK, asyou probably tell from my accent. And I think we've had four majorretailers hacked in the past two weeks, and it literally means thatthere's not as much food on the shelf. One of the, one of the top brands now hashalf empty stores because of a cyber hack. So is that the bigchallenge of the moment for.
Clients that you are talking to. It's certainly not goingaway is a problem, is it? I do think it's a huge opportunity. I do think this is one of the areas wherewe're always working with our customers to really think through when is theright time to refresh their technology. I think it's one of the areas that, thatpeople may not understand how critical it is to make sure that you're using thelatest software that often has all of the most important cybersecurity elements. One of the things by embedding. Cybersecurity into the network, right? You're touching more partsof the technology as well.
And I think then leveraging AI on top ofit, I think this is one of the areas where more and more of our lives are digitized. When I think about it from thesustainability perspective, I think about grids and I think about utilityproviders and how those are critical. Infrastructure for so manycommunities and do they have the right cybersecurity as well. So I do think it's a critical areathat especially I think small, medium businesses may not be as well equippedas I think they need to be in the future. I. Another area that you touched uponis also iot, the internet of things.
So these are all the little devices,like the smart thermostat in the room that were in your home security cameras. It can be all sorts of differentthings, but they're all intelligent. They're all connected. Potentially they're all also a threator could be turned into a threat. So in that area, are you also trying tohelp maybe your partner organizations with their sustainability strategies? 'cause it's not alwaysCisco equipment, is it? But. But often it's very closepartners who are providing that. You mentioned you started in the telecomside of the house and so did I. And remember there was that one room, theswitch room where all of that information was, and you kinda had to secure that.
But you're absolutely right. As technology moves more and more into theedge you need to be able to secure that. It's also providing a tonof information back as well. I think about whether it's devicesin a building like we have here in our Washington DC office, whetherit's our access points that allows for our wifi, but it's also pullinginformation about how how we could control lights or who's in the officeis prepping a lot of information that is in your hands as well, but even onthe sustainability side, imagine these. Devices out there in the wild or inthe field, the information that it's providing, whether the health of a soilor more early warning for severe weather.
So to me, the combination of IO OTprovides so much information, and this is again, where the ability of. Information gathering, the ability tohave observability to see information. This is where, quite frankly,our acquisition of Splunk has been so powerful. The ability to get all types ofdata pulled together and making sense of that is so critical becauseonce you have the information, make sense of it, it allows you tomanage, it allows you to take action. So for example, you may say the sun isnow shining in from our southern windows. Let's pull down the blinds, whichdecreases energy consumption, or there's part of this building,no one's in the office.
Let's turn X, y, Z off. Again, we grew up in a time wheretechnology had to be always on, and that's not the case now. Now it's really about how do youprovide that information and manage it to the best business outcome, andquite frankly, the sustainability. Where we're seeing it with ourpartners is they're such a big part of how we work and partner togetherto support our end customers. And they're looking to really designthe end solution that really provides the highest level of performance,the ability to manage it, the maximum security, the ability to understand.
Where workloads are happening andbeing able to take actions as well. A great example that we probably thinkabout every day is just making a choice of, do I download this new update,whether it's on my mobile phone or my WebEx device or a particular server? Even that kind of informationputs more power in the hands of a technology leader who can make theright choices for their environment. As we come towards the end of thisepisode, it's absolutely fascinating, but if somebody's listeningto this and they're thinking. Where do I start with mytechnology and sustainability?
What are your top three tips thatyou would give an organization thinking about these things? I think just like anythingelse, you probably need to understand where are you today? It's probably one of the most importantthings for people to understand their current technology environment. What is it delivering in terms ofthe capability that allows you to also understand what is the currentcarbon footprint of your environment? I think it's. Understanding the businessstrategy and how the technology can enable that business strategy. And more and more often you see inthat business strategy, there are elements of sustainability as well.
I would also suggest that technologymindfully deployed can really deliver some amazing outcomes for a customer. A company, but also the communitiesthat we also live, work, and create in. When I think about our purpose, it'sa power and inclusive future for all. And when I think about what doesthat inclusive future look it really is an environment wherewe're closing the digital divide. We're creating equal economic opportunitythat we're helping build the skills needed for now and the future, butwe're also creating resiliency. In that environment, the abilityto anticipate whether it is an economic shock or a severe weatherevent that we're thinking through what are the skills that communityneeds as we move into this AI age.
It's about helping them adapt tothe shifting and changing of the weather patterns that they'reseeing in their area as well. At the end of the day, I wouldsay come partner with Cisco. Good. Good way to end. Mary, thank you so much for coming onthe Tech for Climate Action Podcast. Thank you also for supporting our events. I should also say if you wantto meet Mary and other thought leaders like her, please do cometo a tech for climate action event. But for now, thank you somuch and great conversation. Thank you. A pleasure as always.
