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[00:00:04] Unknown:

This is the rock paper bitcoin podcast,   and I am business cat.   Hello, friend.   It's lovely to be right here between your ears.   You it seems like a nice place here, so I think I'm gonna hang out as long as you let me. And if you're enjoying it, you can support us. We have no ads. We have no sponsors   because a very small percentage of our audience chooses to listen using podcasting two point o software.   And that's let those let that lets those special, special listeners, our dearest of dear listeners,   they can stream us ads per every minute listened. They can pick us amount, zap it our   direction. They can leave us comments with boostograms   and let us know their thoughts.  

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I imagine fading   into the beginning of the podcast and I started acting like radio man.   Radio man is here. Hello. Hello, listeners. Welcome back to Rockford Bitcoin podcast.   Yeah. 72 degrees. Southern California. Yeah. Episode 74.   Welcome back. Is this 74?  

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Yes. This is episode 74.  

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Yeah. We're gonna have, like, I mean, I'm   we're gonna have a lot of interesting   connections with the numbers in this,   little decade   of decade of numbers. You know? So '74 is the year it's the year I was born. It's also the year that,   the it's the year ERISA was coded. What is ERISA?  

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No clue. What is ERISA?  

[00:01:47] Unknown:

It's called the employee retirement   income security act   of 1974.   It's what really codified what a defined benefit pension is and what the promise is, but it's the it's the most long standing   and strangulating,   entitlement program.  

[00:02:04] Unknown:

'74 to now. Sir. It's 50 years old. So '74 till now is 50 years old. 51 years old. Yeah. Yeah.  

[00:02:13] Unknown:

Pretty wild. I mean, you know, it's like one of the first things I ever wrote about was that the,   like, in the twentieth century,   right,   the,   the enduring meme was   that the pension promise was like the enduring meme, and then too big to fail really came and   knocked it on its head.  

[00:02:37] Unknown:

And now that, you know, the pension promise is like, nobody believes in the pension promise anymore, really. Right? Yeah. There's never been a moment in my life that I thought that a pension was a realistic opt option for me.  

[00:02:49] Unknown:

No. Well, you well, and essentially, we talked about this with Gary, right, a little bit.   It's funny because a lot of the comments we got were about   were about, you know,   Gary's plan with the US Postal Service, which is pretty funny. Now ERISA, for whatever for the record, ERISA doesn't apply to, like, government   pensions. It only it it's was created for corporate pensions.   This isn't the history lesson of ERISA, but just   fun fact, guys.   It was created for   corporate pensions because of,   a bankruptcy   by this car company called Studebaker.   I'm sure people have heard of it.  

If you haven't go watch like the Muppet movie.   Studebaker is featured in there in in that, you know, it's like it was an old  

[00:03:36] Unknown:

old car, you know. Yeah. Back when cars used to be like boat level cars,   giant.  

[00:03:41] Unknown:

Yeah.   And,   yeah. Also, it was, I mean, I know, like, I read something I read something in the Bitcoin space in some literature saying there's never been any kind of, like, rugging of   there's never been any kind of rugging of a pension plan or something like that, and I was just kind of beside myself. Like, people just write   shit. But, anyway, this company went bankrupt, and so they created this thing called the PBGC,   which is like the FDIC for pensions,   which, you know, did nothing but encourage companies to take a lot of risk with their pension plans because they know they'll be really backed up except the thing is not it's backed up in a in a foolish way.   You know? Anyway, the whole thing's a disaster. There's a piece on my blog. I wrote it long before I started this podcast,   and I think it's called   pensions   finally come of age, and it was wrote it right after The UK pension   bailout of twenty two,   the one in which my book describes as the catalyst for BlackRock coming into Bitcoin. Right. Okay.  

Well, absolutely. Started and landed that plane very unexpectedly.  

[00:04:46] Unknown:

I'm trying to think of anything else that's like, I always like, is seven 74 is definitely not a prime number because it's because it's divisible by two. Oh, guess what else? Not gonna be prime.  

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Guess what else '74 is? It's the year Hayek won the Nobel Prize.  

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Oh, okay. Excellent. That's that's a great a great,   everybody loves Selma Hayek. Yeah. That's right. She she really got her recognition. She's she's just the best. The best economist we've ever had.   Great.  

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There you go.  

[00:05:15] Unknown:

I've been building a rifle.   I think I talked about a little bit. It's, my new suppressor has come in, and it is amazing, folks. I'm sure you don't care about it that much, but I'm probably gonna get into producing some gun content at some point. So   if for people that follow business cat, like, there's gonna be some business cat gun content being produced very soon.  

[00:05:34] Unknown:

Damn, dude. So the salivary glands are already  

[00:05:38] Unknown:

getting put into motion. I'm trying to figure out, like   and I was having a conversation with,   the wife of a grand contrarian about vlogging and, like, because they're, like, homesteaders   and they find themselves in, like, the vlogging area. It's it's a very crowded vlogging area to be a homesteader  

[00:05:55] Unknown:

and, like, trying to, like Okay. Yeah. Well, because you wanna show people your land, is that and all the things you do on it.  

[00:06:02] Unknown:

Yeah. And it just there's there's a lot of other people out there that have already had that idea, so it's a very crowded market for homesteading vlogs. Mhmm. So, like, there so we were having that conversation, like, my like, our vlog is essentially just our family vacation so far.   And so we were just having a conversation. That's not a crowded space? It is kind yeah. It is kind of, but I mean, like, our topic is, like, I mean, yeah. It is it is a little bit of in there. You throw some, you know, you throw some suppressors in there. It's not such a crowded space. I'm looking like, okay. Well, I don't it's obviously not going to just continue to be our family vacations. Like, okay.   This is going to pivot into   it's like probably gonna make bread. I don't know. I've been looking at other other types of content to produce, and I keep coming back to firearms.  

Like, YouTube is not at all friendly for firearm content, but, I mean, we have Nostra now, and I've got nostra.build.   So I can, like, not I can host my content there and share it on Nostra. Anyway, that's   it feels like the it feels like we're living in a new world now, like post Charlie Kirk and, Iriana.   This is I I'm I'm embarrassed I can't pronounce their last name. The first name? It's just keep it make it make it easy. Yeah. Arianna and Charlie. It's a feel we are in a new like, this it feels like we're in a post nine eleven, like, kind of that level pivot. It's like we're in a new era. Time this is your first time on mic since it happened, I take it. Yes. Yes. It is. Yes. And well, I guess, no. It hasn't been, but I didn't talk about it last time. I was okay. Yeah. Dear listeners, I was on an episode of Ungovernable Misfits. It has not been released yet, but I guess, technically, I have been on mic since it happened, but we definitely did not talk about it. Yeah. I can't wait for that.   Yeah. That was a nice pole shift conversation   and, based on based on Karim's. But anyway, that's,   dear listeners, that's where I've been, like we're all in a new era now and, like, I'm   I'm both waiting for episodes to drop of other people's podcast right now. Just kind of cool. Well, I mean, I feel like you and I do a very similar job to what Charlie Kirk did. It's like we what we put our opinions out there into the world and   that's I mean, he was much more high profile than us, but it's   like I mean Yeah. I mean, that's His assassination hit very close close to home for me and my wife. Yeah. So okay. Let let me, frame something for our friends out there.  



[00:08:14] Unknown:

Business cat and I had had lunch last week, which was awesome and kinda surreal. Right? Because we don't really get we don't get to do that that often. Yeah.   You know, we I went out to the meetup   and,   you know, we went out for lunch and   I have to tell you, like, it is a surreal experience   having lunch in physical space with business cat.   In fact, like,   you know, my wife was texting me, like, what time are you gonna be home? You know, it's a long drive. It's like you know, she wanted to know. She's planning dinner. And I was like, didn't have lunch with business cats. It's crazy. Like, how how am I thinking of how am I, like how's my mind on, like, driving home at this point. Right? Like, this we never   ever ever get to do that.  

And it was it kinda   I was,   you know, I thought a lot about   the first thing like, the first thing you said to me when you saw me was, I'm glad we're not   going on I'm glad we're not going on the air today. And this was last Saturday, which is, you know, two or three days removed from the event.   And I think, you know, I I guess it's cool that we had a conversation off off mic because we never have off mic conversations about things either. Right. Yeah. Right? Very rarely. Nine out of 10 conversations we have are recorded.   Yeah. And if something happens in the world, we're we typically don't, like, call each other and be like, oh my god. Do we believe can we believe what happened? If anything, we would talk to each other about what we would do about it with the show, but we wouldn't, like, share it was a unique opportunity for you and I to be in a moment having to share what is going on with each other about the thing.  

Yeah.   So now I think it's okay. So here now here we are on the podcast   a week later.   Right?   And, I feel no differently, to be honest. I feel I feel no differently  

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a week later than I did a week ago. I'm less shook shaken than I was a week ago. But, I mean, yeah, my it's numbing, I guess, is the yeah. I'm a I'm a bit more numb to the raw emotions I was feeling   a week ago. I didn't follow Charlie that closely. I mean, he he was I didn't either.   He he was   slightly outside of, like, my Venn diagram circle. It's like I follow people that were very close to him, but, I mean, really, his his stance on Israel really kept me at arm's length from him. He he just supported them too much. I didn't even know this. I I so it's like, I didn't even know that about him. I didn't know  

[00:10:45] Unknown:

I didn't know really anything about him. And I'll say, I guess I've been I did forty hours of Charlie Kirk videos   in the last week and a half. Yeah. Me too.   And,   at this point, I do feel like I I do feel like I know and understand his view. I mean, really, honestly, I was   looking for   the things that people said about him. I was like, okay.   I'm sure there's a moment where he   exposed his hatefulness.  

[00:11:12] Unknown:

And Yeah. I realized that I I think I had been psyched by that too because part of my it was like, oh, well, people hate him, so there must be a reason for it. Like, he loved that too. I don't I don't think I was psyched by any of that necessarily. I just was like, I didn't know him even well enough to be psyched into your thinking. He was a little bit of fire kinda kind of thinking.  

[00:11:33] Unknown:

I mean, like, you know, it's more like,   the thing that I'm vulnerable to is still, like,   can the rest can the entire world just be so fucking wrong? Like, there must be some reason everyone's screaming this. Yeah. Right? Right. That's what I get sucked into.   And then so for after forty hours of these videos, dude, it's like,   what the fuck, man? This guy Yeah. Was actually   you know, he so that's where I get to the point now after after, you know, after that experience,   I get to the thing you said where it's like, I do see myself   I see myself in him in one particular way, which is,   you know, a, we're talkers.  

This is what we do. We also like, we talk   to talk. In other words,   yeah, I don't know about you in particular, business cat. Right? But for me, like, there's not I I think you would agree with this, but, like, there's, like, nothing more important than   public dialogue.   Right. Yeah. And the complete,   I mean, complete   complete freedom of speech.   And,   I think there's a lot of thing I think it's so perverted.   You know, I'd say the last fifty years have perverted a lot of a lot of speech,   and it only got, like, exponentially worse   as the decades went on. Like, I remember in the nineties, so I was in college and everyone said, oh my god. This is now really things have really tipped. And it's probably true. Things did tip and got really bad.  

But   a lot of people thought it was tipping at the peak and that it would eventually come back. The pendulum would swing back, and it never did. It just kept swinging further   into the February when we got the Patriot Act and then into the twenty tens when we had cancel culture and into where we are now where things are just absolute where people are being murdered for   having the conversations. Right? And, like, there's to me, there's nothing more important than this conversation   and having them because   pea the our ability to communicate is so Tower of Babel   screwed up. I   I feel like we're definitely gonna get into,   a lot of examples of that.  

But, like, we can't communicate with each other, and there's certain things we absolutely have no ability to communicate with each other on. And sometimes just having the conversation or just exhibiting   exhibiting a conversation   about it is enough to, like, melt the ice a little bit.  

[00:14:03] Unknown:

Yeah. And I really feel like that's what he was doing. I feel like he was just out there having a public conversation. He was one of the best of us. And, like, I real   I I realized now, I mean, in hindsight that I I mean, he he was kind of getting big in the college space after my wife and I graduated college. So we he he was around when we were in college, but we kind of missed him.   He he was never on our campus or anything, but I was aware of him that there is this guy who is making waves at college campuses, like, by being   by bringing right right wing politics into a mecca of left wing wing thinking.  

And now in his high like, now at his death and people are saying   horrible things about him. It's like, okay. I great. Show me this. Like, why are why did you hate him? Show me this video of him saying these things. And   all, like, all the video is, like, this was the most loving human who he was incredible. Like, he would have been president.  

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It's possible. I mean, I don't wanna  

[00:14:56] Unknown:

I I I know why he upset people like that. I can see that. Challenge people. We we live in a world that we don't want to be challenged, especially college students, young people. Yeah. They nobody wants to be challenged on their opinions. And enter this guy who is okay. No. Like, that's great. Let's have a conversation, but I'm going to challenge you on your thoughts. And, like, that is a Let's say too far. The reason so the reason I see myself in him a little bit and what scares me about that,  

[00:15:23] Unknown:

like, we didn't we did not share a lot of views, and I hate having to say that. It's I'm so tired of it. I made I made a say the line Bart meme just to, like, oh, we didn't agree on everything. You know, it's it's just like, I hate having to say that.   I only say it to,   you know, to illustrate this one point, which is that   the thing that   we have and that we do that he had and that he does   was,   complete conviction.   And that's the thing that, like, that's the thing I feel like if anything's gonna get you fucking killed in this world,   if there's anything that alienates   people that they will dehumanize you because they don't understand this one. They don't understand this human quality you have.  

It's the   absolute conviction you have in your beliefs, and you could be wrong.   And you could be,   you could be off. Right?   This guy   had I don't know how at this at the age he had like, most people at that age with the kind of conviction he has are really ignorant.   Right? There's almost no way to, like, there's almost no way to have such conviction  

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And to correct?  

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With and have, like, the foundation underneath you. Right? But somehow, he was also   like, he was encyclopedic about the readings he about the about what he read about. So he could back it up. Like, he could back up everything   he's he was convicted about.   And   I have to tell you, man, that's the thing that, like,   that's what I noticed. Like, when you and I get, we have gotten a little bit of pushback   by, you know,   a much smaller much, much, much smaller audience. And what we get because our audience is smaller, what we that comes in the form of polite complaints.   You know, when you're at Charlie Kirk's level that   a lot of people don't think they have access to him. And so   at some point, that just results in   if you believe this was actually   organically and maybe we maybe that's   if you believe this was somebody that was so upset  

[00:17:35] Unknown:

and did something Yeah. That's the I mean, that could lead us to that to another conversation, but, yeah, like, it's interesting watching that. And I you know, I mean, I  

[00:17:41] Unknown:

I tend to believe that's a part of this. Right? I tend to believe that that somebody was, you know,   manipulated certainly into being this upset, but, like, I I tend to believe this happened because somebody was this upset and felt they couldn't they couldn't,   access him. And fact is when you have conviction like that, you know you're not gonna change some you know you're not gonna change his mind.   Right?   And,   you know, it   that's the thing I guess if, you know, I wanna just put attention on, it's the conviction. And that's like for Bitcoiners on for Bitcoiners out there, if you wonder, like, what is it about you that's actually alienating,   that's alienating   the people in your life. Right? It's not Bitcoin, and it's not because,   you know, Harvard will one day have Bitcoin or, you know, all the things that'll validate Bitcoin in society, and it won't change the way your parents talk to you. It won't change the way your wife talks to you because   what they're still dealing with is your conviction   about it. People just don't want you to have it. People wanna have access to you. They wanna have access in to your frame. I think this is the most mold you. This is the the largest parallel that Bitcoiners can have with Charlie Kirk,  

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is that   we all exist in this world of this fiat world   that of humans, the the NPCs that want to   receive their ideas from a centralized tower somewhere.   And then you have us Bitcoiners. We we are not living our like, our morality does not come from some third party somewhere. It comes because we've discovered this thing that is stronger than the world we live in, this fiat world called Bitcoin.   Charlie   had this had discovered the stronger foundation of Christ. It's like he lived by by the morals that of his religion, and that put him   Well at eternal odds against this fiat culture that we live in. And so, like, as Bitcoiners, I feel that we can kind of appreciate that in a in a small way that we are not also not living by the same moral standards of the rest of society, and that causes friction.  



[00:19:47] Unknown:

Yeah. I I I think I would expand   on this that   I mean, I don't believe I got it. I don't believe Bitcoin has given me necessarily any, like, conviction, but what Bitcoin has given me access to is my relationship to God.   And that's what gives us conviction   is our relationship our ability to basically   it's like, what is it? It's our ability to think for ourselves.   Right?   And I don't I did not like,   I don't get my, like, my own conviction from the same place that, like, Charlie Kirk did. And so, like, you know, whoever's informing me is not who's informing him, and that's where we probably were apart on a lot of things. Right? But we were like, I relate to him   on the fact that we both are informed by our by our creators. Right? And which may be the same creator, but, like,   it's different for different people. And that's it's like Bitcoin made sense out of a lot of this for me. Like, it made sense out of a decentralized   source of,   a decentralized source of authority. It does come from somewhere. It comes like, it's hard to explain   that you like, you it's hard to explain that you have conviction because you believe in your own natural you you have conviction in your own reasoning and your own like,   you know, this is a hard conversation to have, and people will think you're crazy. And I think anybody listening to this podcast,   if any any of my friends or   you know, I just found out, like, my daughter's friend, she just said, oh, she's a new friend. They just moved in to the neighbor to they just moved into the area from, like, somewhere in the world. And she's like, yeah. Her dad's listening to your podcast now. I was like, what? Oh my god. You know? And if they happen to pick this one that we're having right now, they'll probably think we're batshit crazy or assholes, and that's fine. This is very hard. It's some things are really hard to discuss,   and that's why it's another reason why it's so important to just sometimes you just go around having the discussion because it's just so damn hard   to do.  

Right? Like, you ever get in these political arguments and they they think they're settled? Like, oh, I just gave you this statistic, and I just gave you this fact, and therefore, this whole thing is settled now. We'll never never to be talked about again. And maybe some things are just meant some things are just meant to be talked about, like, forever until we get it.  

[00:22:01] Unknown:

I think that something that   is easy to   gloss over also is the amorality of technology.   Like, technology has no morals   in it. It's how we implement it in our society.   And so for like, again, before Bitcoin, before I had   my own value structure   to to live by. I mean, like, I I Tucker Carlson talks about, like, we I mean, not Tucker.   The Bible talks about we all have souls, and, like, our soul   is in constant contact with the divine. And that, Tucker Carlson   has the opinion that, like, truth rings differently   in your ears than lies do. And you may not always be immediately   cognizant that something is true or lies, but your soul knows. When you hear truth, it resonates with your soul. And when someone lies to you, it has an invert like, it it that also resonates with your soul. And so, like, I think there is that reads truth to me. Like, that like, my soul hears that. It's like, oh, that's real. Like, if you are in con if you are in contact with the divine,   you have access to   this   tool that like, to to measure the truthfulness   and, like, it's, like, your gut like, it's But it's an enormously costly tool to wield  

[00:23:17] Unknown:

because it requires a life   of not lying.  

[00:23:21] Unknown:

And Right. Those people lie to yourself either. You have to tell the truth to yourself. But, like,  

[00:23:27] Unknown:

you know,   we   people are in various   shape of being able to do that, and   it's really alienating   to the if, like, you know, if you're, like, five percent of the population that just won't do it,   it's incredibly   alienating   because people expect you to do it. It makes it's part of what makes the world work.   You Most people most people like that. Makes the world work for the 95% of the people who do it. I'm just again They're lying. 95% of the people moralities versus the moral. Statistics are made up on the spot. Right? Of course.   But, like, I don't know if that's true. I'm just let's just say the majority of people   are lying are lying beings.  

Right? And they expect me to do the same thing to make everything work.   And when I don't do that, it's a real problem. And the more conviction I have that I shouldn't do that and this is what I mean. Like, this is like the you know, the more conviction   not everything requires,   not everything requires   connection to God, but the conviction to not lie does.   Right? That comes from that comes from, like, fun like, that comes from a life of lying and finally experiencing   what it is to be on the, you know, just to be clean   and then realizing you never want to go back to that and you never want to have that kind of life. That's usually that's how it was for me at least, you know, like I probably I think kids need the lie probably to survive.  

Right?   Mhmm. In in in fact okay. Here's an insight. Okay. Tell me whether you agree with this or not. Alright?   Sovereignty is like a lifelong   it's like a lifelong   effort   to a life of not lying.   In other words, if,   you know, you work a fiat job, let's just say. Right? You're working a job. Yeah. You forced. You must. You it's like that's just even that.   Like, if you are required   to,   withhold yourself, you're you're required   to acknowledge   you know, lying isn't just saying I did this when you didn't do it. Right?   Like, the the kind of truth that gives you the antenna to detect lies and truth. Right? That kind of truth requires,   you know, it's not purity so much, but it requires your best.  

And   this is like I talk about integrity as not a, again, not a not a moral concept.   Integrity is a structural concept, which is like how much can you handle?   Are you   how much can how much weight can a bridge support?   And so, you know, if you can   handle a very you can handle a little bit of truth. You have access to a certain amount of power. Right?   If you can then handle,   you know, the more you can handle,   the more  

[00:26:24] Unknown:

the more weight you can take on and the bigger dreams you can have. But that's sort of the way it works. Yeah. But, yeah, it starts with, like, the truth telling starts with telling truth to yourself before you can tell truth to anyone else. And, like Yeah. All of us wanna want to lie to ourselves. Well, it's mostly the truth of are you who you say you are.   Yeah. Alright. Yeah. Are are you putting on a face? Are you a are you a theater major?   Like, are are you trying to project something, or are you being honest?  

[00:26:51] Unknown:

That's oh, so, obviously, sovereignty begins   at really how truthful you are with yourself and the world.   Your sovereignty with yourself   begins with how truthful you are to yourself. And then you think about it like a circle that just concentric circles   that extend outward. So you start it starts with yourself,   and then it goes to the peep the people closest to you, and then it goes to maybe your community, and then it goes to,   you   know, bigger organizations, and then it goes to eventually, it goes to society itself.   Right? And it's this will determine the,   this will determine   the scope of where you can lead   because you can't lead   unless you have sovereign power over the air you know, over these basic areas.  

You can't be lying to these areas and then truly leading. And people are probably thinking, well, our leaders lie all the time. Like, no. Those aren't that's not the kind of leadership I'm talking about.   Right? I'm talking about being a leader of men,   true leader of men.   So, you know, the path to sovereignty is truthfulness   with with that, and it's hard. Like, you you people have to, like, understand. Like, you did you're probably   unknowingly   or unwittingly   in a position where you're having to lie all the time.  

[00:28:21] Unknown:

Yeah. Absolutely.   And, like, the the world we exist in forces us to lie. Just having a fiat job forces you to lie to yourself. And, like, the idea that it's impossible to to convince a man of something that his paycheck depends on him not understanding, that cognitive dissonance is built into our society.  

[00:28:37] Unknown:

So who the fuck are you to think you should get to have get to be exempt from that? That even you get to pursue that. Who the fuck are you? I mean, I I'm I'm just someone who tries to be honest with myself. I'm saying that's what people that's how people   if you really wanna understand the alienation   and the ire   of what we, you know, kind of what we pursue and I don't mean just you and I, like, probably everyone listening to this is pursuing this at some level. Right?   You wanna understand that alienation. It's really who the fuck are you to be free?  

[00:29:08] Unknown:

Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, I forget I don't know who who I'm quoting, but, like, the the idea that people are much more comfortable   with being surrounded by liars. It's when they're when you have somebody around you who refuses to lie and tell the truth, that's those are the people that really stick out and aggravate and get shot in the throat.  

[00:29:26] Unknown:

Well yeah. I mean, look. It's it's a basic human it's almost a social contract to say, I won't hold you   accountable   for your lives if you don't hold me accountable for mine. Yes.  

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Yeah. And right. And and like like I was like I said earlier,   the world   for people that don't have an external   source of morality to import for their lives, like, the Bible is like, the Christianity has one that was that was Charlie Kirk's route. Bitcoin I mean, Bitcoiners are living with   a different set of moral standards   than   what the fiat world tells us that we should be valuing. And if you some are. Well, I mean, that that's Bitcoin is a tool that encourages us to become less dependent   on importing our morality. And   in a world that, like, the vast majority of people, like, are okay with lying because   their morals are based on the life they're living. And then but that's that is, like, what Bitcoin and the Bible flips.  

Bitcoin potentially can flip the Bible, definitely flips if you crock crock Christ. Is that, like, okay. No. My morals are first. Like, my life has to be downstream of my morals. I can't be bending my morals to fit the life that I'm living because that's that is building your foundation on sand. Like, there there is no foundation. Like, you are gonna get blown away when the tide shifts. Well, look. People think that like, there's people that think they add value, and it's they don't know it's a lie.  

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They have no idea   that it they don't they don't think they're lying. They believe they add value. Yeah. What the Kramer is? It's not a lie if you believe it. That yeah. That's George.   That's George.   But it's it's not believing the lie to in order to get away with it. It's just that there are people that really genuinely believe they're being honest, and they think that what they do adds value.   And   the truth is they it doesn't,   let's just say. Right? I'm sure I'm sure the shooter people and it's people that are   value. Well yeah. So okay. Well, this goes into a whole another point of, like this is so   this is this goes into a whole another point of why I have a personal   I have, like, a personal objective in the Bitcoin space to not to amoralize   Bitcoin.  

Okay. And so   part of it is that I'm being very triggered, but I I I happen to have to be not that I have to be, but I'm reading   I'm reading LePard's book,   The Big Print.   And  

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It's gonna be a fun  

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conversation. I'm hearing, like, I'm just re it's just like   once I started reading, I feel like I have to read it. I'm gonna be on stage with the man in a in a month,   and I'm   I'm looking for common ground   and a high I'm looking for high signal a high signal access conversation.   And   I'm getting so much like, I get a lot of morale moralizing   from him reading this book. And if you read his tweets, which I don't because he blocks me,   but if you read his tweets, you get you you get a lot of moralizing. And I'm not I'm only picking on him right now because that's the book I'm reading, but there is a lane a big lane of certainly influencers   and a lot of followers that look just look like   this.  

They believe Bitcoin they want   to moralize   Bitcoin. Right? Sound money is moral.   Fiat money is immoral. And then I'm look. What I wanna tell you is I don't I'm not telling you that's untrue. I'm telling you that that's a,   it's an unproductive,   like, it's an unproductive framing.   And I don't that that's a that's a losing framework   even though it's true. Like, there's a lot of losing frameworks   that are true. Right?   There's things you're like, you know,   just like Charlie Kirk's conviction was a bit of a losing framework because it got him killed.   So even though it's true, he   we probably, at some point in the next ten years, will start   pondering   whether or not his framework maybe   for those of us who don't wanna get killed doing what he did, right, we'll start pondering,   you know, maybe the different  

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a different strategy or a different framework. I mean, yeah, I'm not I'm probably not running out to have these conversations. But But, like,  

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in so in bit like,   I don't like the moralization   of Bitcoin. I actually really dislike it.   And, I think Bitcoin like, you said technology is amoral. Amoral, by the way, isn't immoral. It's just amoral. It's not it's without morals. It's like the it's without it's not moral or immoral. It's neither.   Or take the case. Take this framing.   That, yeah, that Bitcoin's no more moral or immoral than a gun   that's found on the street or   no more moral or immoral than the bacteria   in my body   that is trying to survive or trying to find it the most efficient power source   for its own survival.  

Right? It's like   it's these things are not moral. These things just happen. And that's just sort   of like, people, I feel like, fail to realize that Bitcoin is just a,   you know, it is just a protocol   that propagates   through humanity.  

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I definitely fall into that that,   trap of thinking. It's really Bitcoin is is so significant whenever you really wrap wrap your mind around it that it's it is easy to fall into the it's like, oh, yeah. Well, sound money is clearly moral and fiat is clearly immoral.   But   it's like, once you get further down the rabbit hole a bit, it's like fee they're in in of itself, there's nothing inherently   immoral about fiat. And then in fact,   the largest threat that could exist to Bitcoin   is if we had   a responsible government that could use Fiat responsibly. Like, that would that would be a real threat to Bitcoin.  

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And it's like that I'll put it differently. And I'll tell you, the reason it's a losing framework is because Bitcoin any if if you're a Bitcoiner and you're you're relying on people to be moral for this thing to work, you're you're dead. You're lost.   Right? I mean, I I don't care who you are. Right? If you are if if your   hopes and dreams,   right, and your life savings that you put behind this thing   are,   your your hopes and dreams are dependent on people   doing the moral thing,   this isn't what Bitcoin was created to do at all. Bitcoin was created to do the opposite, was to basically say it doesn't matter.   It doesn't matter whether people   become moral or not.  

We now have something   that transcends morality.   It does. It transcends the morality of a human being.  

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Humans are always going to be   serving   themselves and their families before their neighbors. That that is just human nature, and Bitcoin is a technology that figured out how to harness that to improve security for the network.  

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Yeah. I mean, there's gonna be a lot of immoral we are we've I mean, the majority of   the fifth first fifteen years of Bitcoin   has been   pretty immoral   in my opinion. Right? But who that's not the point. Right? The point is we have to let people   be free   to do to   discover their morals   as they   as as they emerge.   Right? But they're the if the money is hard, I'd say this all the time. Right? I say this about racism, discrimination, and things like that. If the money is hard and money is sound, then people can get immediate feedback   and get held accountable for being right or being wrong. Right? People will win if they're right, and people will get wrecked if they're wrong.  

And we don't it's that's not possible   in a world fiat money.   K? And that to me is the that that to me is the biggest problem of fiat money is that it just doesn't allow the value signal   of what works or what doesn't. Oh, yeah. That's the whole purpose of fiat is that they can muddy that signal. It's like, oh, we can put it like, you can you can put your fingers on whatever part of the scale you want to. So people are people have been sort of brainwashed into thinking the only way to win in the world is to convince people to be moral. And this goes back to the first thing you said, which is that   every,   like, failed revolution   or, actually, every atrocity  

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that we've ever had in this world has been from somebody who believes that they're they're gonna make a world a better place. We just get rid of these  

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darn people over here in this yeah. So that's why look. It's a that's why it's a losing losing losing losing   losing framework.   And, you know, I   man, I've never felt more like a high signal podcast than I do right that right now in this moment for people listening.  

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It's interesting watching   the society like, it's it's it's interesting watching us conspiracy theory come together in real time. It's like there there's, like we we don't know   what happened. And, like, oh, I certainly know that I don't trust the FBI and the c like, whatever the the feds are putting out. Like, okay. I have the asterisk of you guys are not trustworthy to begin with. It's, like, it's great that we have some physical evidence, and it's it's really great that we have individuals out there that are definitely, like, gonna pound the pavement and put their own research into this. Like, Candace Owens is definitely going off on, on   some interesting theories here that I I'm glad that she's doing that. Like, because it's the FBI doesn't seem to be doing this. You know,  

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it's pretty it's it's this is you're right. It's interesting to see it form because it's so   to me, it's totally typical and obvious   that we know nothing.   Right?   Nobody knows anything.  

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Well, we we know a few things. It's like we we know that we we know what the FBI has told us. We we know that We know that we can't trust them. Right. But, like, they've showed us a picture of a gun and told us it was a 30 at six, but that rifle does not go chambered in 30 at six. Like, that's interesting. That that tells us something. Like, we already know we're being like, at some like, it's crossed my mind a couple of times that he's not even dead, that this was a stage. This was I thought about Atlas Shrugged,  

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like, a lot in the last week. Mhmm.   You know? And for anyone who hasn't read anyone who hasn't read Atlas Shrugged, get the fuck off your ass and read that book,   especially now   because in that basically people were disappearing like this where it looked like they were getting, you know, like, they were faking their deaths.  

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Disappearing to goldsmiths. And and I mean,  

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you know, like you can't have a good conspiracy theory without   being, you know,   being complete   on the creativity.   You know, I find like it's like if you're gonna do if you're gonna be very uncreative on one spectrum which is like Israel, Israel, Israel and I'm not, you know, it's like   like the obvious the obvious culprit, right,   of everything. Mhmm.   And I'm not saying that to deflect from like the fact that they wouldn't   do it if they thought they wanted to or anything like that, but I'm just it seemed it's one of those Yeah. I I consider it on day one, I consider it pretty you know, it's like, duh, dude. Duh. I do not doubt at all that Israel would murder somebody  

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that they disagreed with. But at the same point, like, I I'm not seeing any evidence of that yet, and the people that are yelling that is that's interesting. It's like every third episode of Sopranos, an Italian guy  

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kills somebody and talks about how they made it look like a black guy did it   because that's who we think would do it. That's always who we think would do it. And, of course, you're gonna like, I I would just say whoever did this.   If it's   if there's somebody above   the shooter,   right,   they're definitely leaving some breadcrumbs out there to make it look like.   And, you know, and the beauty, you know, the beauty of Israel is they they, like, they're a constant breadcrumb leaving machine on themselves.   So, like,   they, like, you know, they never they never stop creating these breadcrumbs for themselves. Like, you know,   like, I just sometimes I do wanna shake these motherfuckers and be like, dude, you guys can if you guys take a week off,   right, you'd stop creating evidence for why you're, like, you know, why you're the obvious culprit for everything.  

They're like crackheads,   you know, that act like crackheads all the time.   And, you know what I mean? Like, they're it's they're not hard. They make it easy is what I'm saying. They're they're easy.   They they do. Right? So, like, it's, you know, but I do I I don't like I maybe it's the contrarian in me that I just don't like the obvious knee jerk. Like, let me see let me, you know, let me see some something actual. Like, okay,   you know, something actual   to point to. And, you know, frankly, I'm still   I'm not ready to stop   discussing   conspiracies   from eighty years ago.  

Okay?   I'm not ready to put those to bed. And let me tell you something.   The the people out there very much want to want you to not look at those look at those conspiracies.  

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Well, for the second half of the show, we're we're on the topic of conspiracy theories. I figured it like, I I have a list. I like, I've been making a list of the past couple days of, like,   my favorite cons maybe not I shouldn't say my favorite, but, like, conspiracy theories that I that   on both sides of the aisle for me, ones that I buy into and ones that I I think are   government,   government jobs. It's like they are trying to distract us. And I'd like, so I I think it would be fun to go like, I have a like, just I'll go through them, and, like, I won't say anything. I'm curious to hear your thoughts on each of these as I go through, and then, like, I will obviously give my thoughts, but I I I think that would be fun to go through.  

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Sorry. I think so. And you know what? So,   I had a shout out to shout out SolEx.   He gave me a great idea for one of my other podcasts, which is just like, if you're in the audience and you really just wanna, like,   say some you just wanna, like, agree or disagree. Right?   Boost, like, between like, think about giving a between a one and ten set boost. It's just like you just on on these things just to, like   if you wanna, like, hold and you don't feel like the burden you want the burden of sending a boost or something like that, but you wanna communicate.   You know, think about think about it like that with because there's I feel like this is gonna be a nice list, and we're gonna be across across the spectrum on a lot of So, yeah, so I will state the the theory, the conspiracy theory, and then you can go. First one, the moon landing was faked.  

We've talked about this on the podcast already. But We have, but this is If we're gonna have a list of conspiracy theories, you gotta start here. It's true. I I am, not on board with that one. I I I think they would've I think they were ready to do it.   I I I just happen to think we did we executed   the moon mission. But I I believe they were fully ready to fake it,   but I think we happen to have  

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actually gone to the moon. Yeah. That's, I'm on the same page. I think that's one of the more,   contrarian   theories I have at this point is that we've been to the moon, but, yeah, the moon landing was real. It would have been harder for them to fake it than than it was for them to do it for real.  

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Agree with that. And it's like, yeah, we just we   you know, I'm glad we waited for the second half because, you know, for people to stop listening and be like, fuck these guys. Yeah. Nine eleven was an inside job.   Oh, well, we know we know a lot. We know a lot here. I mean, I think I I don't like   so I my autism is kicking in here, and I want a little bit of rig I want a little bit of rigor around   the phrasing of this. Right? So I'm a can I say a few things about nine eleven? My god. It's like this is gonna get me fucking   whatever.  

We know I I know for a fact. I remember listening   to mainstream media discuss how we had   we we knew about nine eleven before we had the information. In fact, that was the pretext for creating the Department of Homeland Security, which is because we weren't we did you know, what they what they said publicly was we did not share information between agencies, and we needed one to,   you know, coordinate all that. So all I'm saying is that inform like, the information that we knew   about it  

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was out, like, immediately. Okay? Alex Jones was talking about it months ahead of time. Yeah. It's not a revelation.  

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Right? It's not a revelation that that we have foreknowledge of it.   Now,   there's a really good documentary. I'm a hopeful I'm gonna try to dig it up. It's like a thirty it was like a I feel like a thirteen hour documentary, and it had it showed the connection between Pearl Harbor and nine eleven.   And, I was pretty convinced after watching this that   we did lean into you know, we   we certainly leaned into the information to allow it to happen. So was nine eleven a false flag? Yeah. I do believe it was a fault. Did, you know, did it happen?   Did it you know, was it some was this a planned attack against The US by foreigners? Yes. Was it but then once we figured out that it was,   did we use it? Yes.  

Totally. Yeah. And now, you know,   there's a lot more to this too. I don't I don't know about I don't know We can't spend any too much time on any one of these. I got a lot of listeners here. I get it. But, like, okay. It's like, you know, Building 7  

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clearly, like, with The dancing Israelis, there's a there's a lot of questions about yeah. There's definitely I I so I agree with all of that. I would lean to this this was a real threat that was weaponized by   somebody in order to advance their agenda. And, yeah, like, Tower 7 falling down. Like, okay. That no. That that was clearly a demolition.   It oh, it burned from the inside and fell in. Okay. Yeah.  

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Dude, I mean yeah. And I I like, this is happens to be one where I mean, dude, I was in the World Trade Center, like, every day. Like, I can picture I was able to picture pretty much every aspect of this thing   in my mind when it happened,   including Building 7. That's where I used to go get my coffee. There was a there was a Starbucks down there. You know? Like, dude, it there's no fucking way the whole thing was so surreal. The only here's the nugget. The best nugget before we move on, I'll give you from the, Pearl Harbor   documentary was, on both 09:11 and Pearl Harbor, there happened to be an air force training exercise that may that sort of ensured that no no air force was anywhere  

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Anywhere.   Day that the owner of the buildings was ever late was the day it was in September 11. Okay. I know a lot of people who didn't go to work that day  

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that were not part of the conspiracy. I mean, I just I'll I'll just throw that out there as well. That that is a normal thing, and there were there are hundreds of thousands of people that went through that building.   And   I'm not I'm you know? So I just wanna add a little bit of balance there too. But, yes, it's weird that the peep there's certain people we know that didn't didn't show up that day   and,   including Howard Lutnick.  

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Oh, yeah. There there were shorts put on airlines, but I I let's let's continue on. The Earth is flat.  

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That's I don't even wanna, like, I don't wanna waste time on that one. That's a control. I didn't I guess I respect the troll   of it, but come on. I mean, I guess you can't really be a moon landing guy and have any have any  

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any credence for that. Although, maybe you'll surprise us here. Def okay. I definitely agree. The Earth is not flat.   The Earth is hollow.  

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Never heard of that one.  

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Okay. That's, that it's there's several movies at this the the most recent,   King Kong movie had the hollow Earth. The King Kong went inside the hollow Earth to make to fight with the other dinosaurs. But the hollow Earth idea is that at the at the, top at the north and south axial points of the planets, north and south poles, there are holes which lead into the entire interior of the planet. And then inside there, there's a variety of potential things including up and up to and including a   star that is like our or our planet's actually a Dyson sphere kind of thing.  

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If there's literally any truth to that, then, all physics is a SIOP.  

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Yeah. Yeah. No. Okay. So   yeah. Hollow Earth is   how about okay. How about the moon? Is the moon hollow?  

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I I mean, again, if physics is not a PSIOP,   then none of these you nothing would orbit nothing would orbit these things if they were hollow, if they didn't have mass. Oh, see. Yeah. Alright. So we're we're we're deviating here because I absolutely believe the moon is hollow. Not not hollow to the point there's no mass there, but I believe that there are massive internal voids to the moon. Interesting. Okay? I mean, yeah, again, I'm not familiar with these. These are not, like, again, you know, to me to me, you're skirting around the big ones.  

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Although maybe you're starting small. You're starting small. I'm starting here. We'll get there to this. Yeah. We'll get into some other stuff. And then I'm cur like, at the end of it, I'm curious if you have any that I missed. You started strong with nine eleven here. You know? And And you didn't get Pearl Harbor. You know? We're we're still in the moon, though. So okay. There's Nazis on the far side of the moon.  

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I could I could believe that.   I   I could believe that one.  

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Maybe you're okay. Yeah. Me too. Like, I maybe not Nazis, but, like, I've it's I am prepared to believe that there could be if there was a breakaway civilization, like, the far side of the moon is a good place to put it. You tell me the Nazis are anywhere. I'll I'll sort of be like, yeah. I guess. You know? I mean, they had to go somewhere. Next step is not somewhere. Nazis are at the South Pole.  

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Oh, fuck you. Yeah. I agree too. Like, fuck you. For that one. And that's that's thanks to you. Of evidence for this. That's thanks to the learning of Antarctica and, like, you know I mean, not not it's more of just what opened me to absolutely believe that that why they had to go somewhere. Yeah. Right?  

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A lot of went to South America, but, yeah, there is a lot of evidence that there was a lot of Nazi activity   at in Antarctica because they were looking for oil.   Anyway, the alright. So alright. Now,   JFK wasn't inside job.  

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Well, of course. I mean, that's I don't even think that's   that's conspiracy anymore.  

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I'm I'm okay. No. I I agree with you there. Like, I think I think he was murdered by the CIA.   But no. But alright. No. It's still on the list of conspiracy theories. I'll tell you this. The JFK the fact  

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there's another conspiracy out there with that I am hoping you'll get to at some point, that is probably the reason we haven't we still don't know of the JFK assassination.  

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The first Trump shooting, so crooks, was CIA.  

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Yeah. That's I mean, does that even   is that a question?   I mean, it's it's a theory. It's like he he was I mean, I don't know what agency I mean, maybe I say I won't know. He was certainly a deep state   actor.   I don't know what age. I won't claim to know what agency. It's really suspicious to me that Trump has not investigated   this at all. Well, I mean, if he has, he has not been public with it. Like, that's really fascinating to me. Did we talk about this? Like, when did we I know we had the conversation about Trump when he didn't go to release the FCEN files and how fucking despicable that was. And did we did I talk about the context that I thought   that,   like, once they like, they didn't kill him, they they got to him, but they proved that they got to him and, you know, he must have made some concessions  

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at that point. That's my read of it too. Yeah.   Area 51 has aliens in it.  

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Yeah. I believe that.  

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Do you? Yeah.   I think I don't even really know what Area 51 is, and I really don't even know what an alien is, but I do One point. I'm fine with that one. I don't know. I'm not I think that it's possible there could have been a like, alien technology at Area 51. My read on Area 51 is it's an area for advanced weapons   testing,   may up to and including alien technology, but aliens are not at Area 51. The and the alien   technology that we've recovered is at Wright Patterson Air Force Base. It's not Air 51.   Okay. Yeah. I'm not that close to that stuff. How about how what are your thoughts on the Roswell UFO?  

What was that?  

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Again, not close to it, but, yeah, I'd it   alien activity   that we're keeping from the public? Yes.  

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I do believe that. Okay. Well, that's that's the next one. The alien cover up. Is there is there a cover up of aliens going on right now? Yeah.  

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I for sure. And they should.   What's your read on the alien? They should cover it up because do you think the public is can handle can really handle   an alien conversation?  

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I think we're capable of more than the state thinks we're capable of. Oh, I understand. I understand why they would cover it up too.  

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I mean, before you know it, they can't explain they can't like, that would really hamper their ability to lie to us about a lot of other things because people would just be like, no. That's just alien shit. They're lying.  

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There is a   concerted effort among world governments to usher in a new world order. Yeah. What I mean, that  

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I thought you were gonna talk about conspiracies.   These serve these these feel like known facts.  

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Interesting. So, I mean, I had a conversation with my wife this morning and going back, like, what like, I just I listed these off and then I got her thoughts on them. And it's it's an you you're you're saying that these are known facts. These are not necessarily known facts. I mean, I guess I was I'm pretty I guess I was pretty clear in the things I thought were absurd. You know? But then the these are absurdly   seeming true seeming. So I definitely agree. There's definitely like, new world order has been mentioned by way too many presidents and statesmen for it to not be an actual agenda.  

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I'm surprised these these I really am surprised these are characterized as conspiracies, and may and that, I guess, just goes to show what the public can handle.  

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The Titanic was swapped with its sister ship, the Olympia.  

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Oh,   that I I have a hard time believing that. I didn't think that I didn't think that was the Titanic one you were gonna go with. I thought you were gonna go with the one that the fucking, you know, Aster   and the the people who would have opposed the creation of the Fed were on the Titanic. Something like that. That is also because that's my next one. Yeah. But like So okay. That first one, I don't know. I don't I mean, what like, I guess it's like if I'm gonna if I'm going to even suggest in the slightest that, like, Charlie Kirk got Atlas Shrugged and golf sent to golf's gulch, I'd have to I'd have to you know, what the fuck do we even really know about the Titanic anyway? Right? And, you know, Ayn Rand wrote that book in the fifties. Had to be based on something.  

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So maybe. There definitely was a suspicious amount of people that were opposed to the creation of the Federal Reserve that died on the Titanic.   So that   that's a circumstantial   interesting thing.   Geoengineering  

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is is being Yeah. That's total. I mean, again,   this  

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this is blatant. Again, yeah, I agree. It's this has been established multiple times now, but there are there's this is still a conspiracy theory to some people that do how about chemtrails? Chemtrail, like altering   what what it what are chemtrails? Right.  

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This well,   is it not the byproduct of geoengineering?  

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Right. They're related. That's what my my read on chemtrails is that we know that that, cloud seeding is, like, is a real tech there's a lot of real technologies involving weather that involves spraying various things into the atmosphere.   I don't know. The I am hesitant to go full tinfoil hat with chemtrails   of, like, the  

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I guess I don't know what chemtrails really are. What are what what My read on different? That's that that's not the same as  

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Generally,   growing up, all of the chemtrail conspiracy theory talk I heard was all related to people misunderstanding   how,   contrails work in the upper atmosphere.   And so that was just like, oh, well, the the con the the I I've heard that, like, conflated together. Contrails, which is just moisture   condensing on dust particles coming out of the engines is like that that is What's the conspiracy of chemtrails then? What is it? Chemtrails are every pretty much every any airplane you look up that has turbines, you look up and at least see it leaving a huge trail behind it. Like, that   the conspiracy theory is that that trail should not exist. Those if if that was a contrail, it would dissipate much faster   than we see them. And the fact that they're just hanging out in the sky for hours afterwards is evidence that they are spraying us with something.  

Yeah. So That makes sense. Yeah. But I which yeah. I can believe, but, yeah, I got I I don't go I don't know why I would  

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why I would,   it would seem to contradict the blatant truth of geoengineering.   Yeah. Like, I don't know why I would dis dispute that.  

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Like, the, floods in Texas that that washed away that kids' camp a couple months back was  

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potentially downstream of a bunch of cloud seeding that was done without air. Hurricanes the hurricane like, you know, the the hurricanes in   North Carolina   and Right.   Yeah.   The other side of the Gulf Of Mexico, the wrong side, Gulf America. Sorry.  

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Crude oil is abiotic.  

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What does that mean?  

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So the the commonly accepted   theory is that crude oil is a petroleum is a fossil fuel. It is the result of,   like, a very long drawn out process of organic matter being processed deep in   the earth under high pressures and heat, and crude oil is a byproduct of that. So but it's coming from plants and animals.   The theory is that no. Crude oil is in fact, this is this is the working theory of the Soviet Union and Russia still. Like, they developed their own theory of crude and that no crude oil is abiotic.   It is I would tend to believe that. Yeah. I I am a 100% in this camp. Crude oil is a natural   prod product of planets. It's like, in fact, Titan, the largest moon of Saturn, has oceans of hydrocarbons on it. It's more hydrocarbons on that moon than we have on our planet. Yes. I would tend to tend to agree with that.  



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Okay. That's very sensible.  

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Crude oil is a I agree. But that that that is a massive problem for the petroleum industry saying that, like, selling the idea of peak crude oil and that we're gonna run out is like that's like, oh, well,  

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if, like because if it was abiotic, then these fields will refresh themselves. This is the so the the conspiracy would be it's bio like, the it's biotic.   That would be the conspiracy. Well, I mean, I I would say so. Industry is interested. The industry wants to keep it, though. So today. You know what I mean. Right? It's like   I feel like some of these conspiracies are flipped.  

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Malaysian Airlines flight MH370   was did not crash in the ocean, but in fact was teleported away to a secret governmental location.  

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I'll just say I buy it.   That was never what it looked like,   and we have no answer still to this day. And so that theory is as good as any.  

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Okay. Yeah. I was we're   Well, this one really is, like, the edge of my conspiracy theory thinking because if this is real, this breaks my entire understanding of physics. This this means that time travel is real. This this means a lot of things  

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if teleportation technology is real. It's I have to believe it's like, I'll just say the theory is pot like, you know, why not?  

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The guy on Twitter who is, like, the lead of the he's, like, pushing I can't think of his his name is escaping your his handle is escaping me right now, but, like,   his work alone is the reason why I'm as far down this like, he has shown a lot of very   curious evidence, I'll say, that that like, alright. Like, I can't I can't say conclusively, but it's definitely not the story that the fed the the government told us about this. Mhmm.   What's going on with the Loch Ness Monster?  

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Oh, man. Is that a thing?   It that's that's my is it real? Is it a thing? Is it is it a story, or is there a critter in Loch Ness? Conspiracy, I guess. It's like I get, like, I got with nine eleven. It's like, okay. The conspiracy is we wanted to go into the Middle East, and we wanted to do the Patriot Act, and we wanted to, you know, expand all you know, and that's why we that's, like, that's the reason we,   you know, did such an atrocity.  

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Right? Or that we conspiracy theory for the Loch Ness monster   is that in in the Loch Ness, there is which is what? Scotland,   I think. Yeah. It's it's this very, very deep,   lake, which is really, like, kind of geographically isolated from other things. The theory is that because of its, like, isolation isolated environment, there was some kind of dinosaur level critter   that survived and survives in the depths of this lake. And it's so large that it we've never been able to, like and not not the critters. Like, it's it's large enough that there's, like, a couple famous photos of the Loch Ness that you're you're you've probably seen. Yeah. Yeah. But, like, the Loch Ness devil would the Jersey devil be sort of similar?   Yeah. Yes. Similar to anything. My next one after this is Bigfoot. But, yeah, there's there's a lot of, like, critters out there that,   that the theory is that just because of   the amount of area to search that we're just never gonna have a conclusive answer. Anyway, so that's the theory of Lockcast. What are your thoughts?  



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Interesting.   I mean, I guess,   I I don't know how,   you know,   a being survives.   Do you mean you're this theory would be that its species survives. Correct? Enough of it that it's, yeah, that it could It's pretty implausible. Incredibly  

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long lived or there's enough of a breeding population?  

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It's kind of implausible,   but  

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it's fun. I agree. It's implausible, but,   you know, he's there's definitely a Loch Ness out there who's looking for three fifty.   How about Bigfoot?  

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Yeah. I mean, I guess it's I guess it's all similar. I guess I put that all in the same camp, and it's like, what's the conspiracy again anyway? Like, why what like, that we don't wanna acknowledge these past civilizations,  

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so we just make Big the bigfoot theories these things.   There is a a large uncatalogued   primate, bipedal primate,   in the in the, like, very similar to in the fossil record, we have the gigantic Gigantopithecus,   which was something very much like Bigfoot, like seven, eight foot tall bipedal walking hominid.   But the so the theory is that, no, Bigfoot's out there. And  

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what yeah. So I think the people that built the pyramids and built Atlantis,   some of those people would be around too   if any but if any of these species   survived.  

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Dude, I'm, like Bigfoot,   I gotta leave the door open on Bigfoot. Like, for for one thing, my mom swears that she's that she has seen Bigfoot. Like, my parents my parents live in the middle of the middle of super rural Appalachia, and my mom swears that she saw Bigfoot one time, which really, really bothers my uncle, her brother, because he's a state he's, like, a state ranger. And it yeah. He's just he's no nonsense about this stuff. But, yeah, like, the idea the Pacific Northwest is where it's, like, traditionally, like, where Bigfoot is thought to exist, and it's just   it's so big   that, like, I can I can believe it? I don't know. I got I gotta leave the door open. It's It's like the Yeah. If in the Pacific Northwest, Bigfoot is a fentanyl addict now.  

Oh, that's sad. Maybe.   He's got he's only the look. But there's   a birth control in all of our food now because of, like, it's just He shoots it into his big fucking giant So he's he's drinking water, and he has, like, he's human birth. Yeah. He's being his his whole environment is being corroded. But anyway, there's   there's enough other things that, like, Bigfoot esque things that we know are real, that we have,   like, archaeological evidence for that, yeah, I can't close the door on Bigfoot.   Are there clones among us?  

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It's hard to dismiss it entirely,   but I want to.  

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I'm of the opinion that clones are 100   like, we have cloning technology that has been like, we know it's real already because, like, the what? There's there's goats back in the nineties or the sheep. That's true. The theory is that humans are being cloned, and there's copies of certain it's kinda like in, Battlestar Galactica. There was, like, the models. They're silent number six, silent number seven, like, the different models. That's kind of this theory. Like, there are a couple different models of humans  

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that if you look around, you see them repeated here and there. But It's a good point. Majority of us are good old fashioned like born from mom and dad. It's been covered in enough sci fi. It's gotta come from somewhere. And, I guess this wouldn't be a true conversation if I didn't,   build in a fish reference   here. That's what I'm going to for sixty seconds. Do it. In 2019,   the New Year's Eve New Year's Eve twenty nineteen show   going into 2020.   So every New Year's Eve, they do this big produced gag, and you never know really what they're they spend a lot of money on a big, big gag. They hire all of, like, the top theater people in New York to do it. It's like a big, big production,   big theme.  

And in 2019, their theme was clones, and they created all these clones of the guys in the band. So, like, every member of the band had, like, 20 clones on stage dressed up like them.   And and people weren't that impressed with that particular gag,   but,   I find all these things always relevant. The fact that they you know, it's just the things that go on in their head seem to be connected to something. Did a really similar thing at the VMAs back in the early two thousands for the real slim will the real slim steady please stand up? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.  

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Yeah. He was really great with costumes and stuff. It's definitely been established in entertainment that clones are so I I am a 100% on board with this. Like, there's no doubt in my mind that there are clones walking around right now. Can I can I ask a variant of this, though? Like Yeah. The,  

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like, the high profile, like, the high profile trans   conspiracies   that are out there are, like,   related to maybe people be thinking people faking their deaths or thinking they're murdered, and then they just show back up as the wife of a president.  

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Right? There. Okay. I've I've got that I've got that one on here. Because I feel like that's related  

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to the clone thing.  

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And maybe some of these clones are are, some of the some of these people are actually clones, I mean, maybe. It's possible. I mean, right, like, if clones are real, then like, and trans people are real, then there must be some tiny percentage of clones who are trans. Like, it just they're, like, statistics   dictates it. But,   my evidence that I hold out for that clones are 100% real is Haley Lujan is is a social media influencer who got really popular back in the year, like, 2022, '22, '23. Very, very,   recent.  

And she is a part of the army psychological operations   center.   Like, she's puts it out there, but, like, what she what she called like, she is the army's e girl. She like, what she does is she is glorifying   the army and army lifestyle. They're like, hey. If you if you join join the US military, check out all the hot girls that are gonna that are there, and you can come hang out with us. Like, that that kind of psyop.   And if you look at   to look at her face and look at a picture of Hillary Rodham Clinton in her youth, they are   incredibly similar.  

So my reason Trudeau was a clone of Castro, not actually Castro's son. I don't think that's Kate. I don't think that's that's that's my very next one. But, like, Justin Trudeau is the actually, no. That's not that's the we'll we'll do that next one. But yeah. So, like, the idea that I I am a 100 on board with certain people   are in like, in the elites in the in club, like like Hillary Clinton Yeah. Have been have been identified that your genetics will be cloned. Like, we're gonna Can you imagine? Versions of you. Oh my god. And so, like, I'm just Can you imagine? So here, Justin Trudeau is the illegitimate son of Feducco. That's right. Sorry. Whoever whatever scientist is working on cloning Hillary Hillary Clinton has got to be worried for his life. Like, there have to be just a you wanna talk about being  

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like, god. The clip Like, there would have to be a lot of people that once they got wind, like, they just took no further away. I mean, it's not necessarily.  

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Like, a lab tech gets some unfertilized eggs or, like and some some sperm or, like, what whatever. Like, a lab tech gets just these things, and they combine them together. They don't know where they came from. I can you mentioned lab tech. So it's funny you mentioned a lab tech because, you know,  

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we have to get to Oswald as as the lab tech at some point here. Right?  

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The,   anyway, so, like, the it's like let's Justin Trudeau. Justin Trudeau is the is the bastard son of Fidel Castro.  

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Yeah. I'm all in on that one. 100%.  

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Yeah. There's   way too like, I don't think he's a clone because of all the evidence we have of his mother being super   flirty, let's call it, with Castro during her visits down there. It's like, yeah, 100%. He is he is the illegitimate son of Fidel Castro. Since we're talking and now Castro is also involved in the conspiracy, I'm hoping we get to. Castro,  

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Oswald,   lab tech.   Let's continue.  

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Alright.   Tupac is alive.  

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No.   I mean, he's just too irrelevant   anyway.  

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Yeah. I agree. He's he's definitely dead, but it is interesting how he keeps releasing,   new songs and, like, holograms and everything. It's like some whoever owns his likeness is like, they're they are making hay while the sun shines, but, yeah, I agree. I I don't think he is. I don't think he got cloned.  

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No. But, Larry Lapar got hacked again, and his,   they basically just redid his profile as Tupac Shakur. It's really strange and funny. This happened last week.  

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Epstein didn't kill himself.  

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Yeah. Okay. Come on. Yeah. Of course. Of course, he didn't kill himself. Why the fuck would he? Okay. Well,   so I agree. I don't He was clearly I mean I mean, let's just put it this way. In the absence of any evidence,  

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the Occam's razor is overwhelmingly that he was fucking murdered. Shut him up. And and Epstein didn't show himself also mean, like, if he did kill himself but was coerced to kill himself,  

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then that also counts as he didn't kill him. Somebody made him kill himself. Kind of thing. So ever been coerced to kill himself? Hey. You know, you can you just be cool and do it?  

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So my well, I I mean, I I think people absolutely have been coerced to kill themselves. Like, it would be a shame what's gonna happen to your family   if you don't do this, if you don't work with us here.  

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I don't think he I don't think he was coercive in that way. I think he's still  

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alive.   Fair. My read my read of the cadaver that we saw in those things. He's not gonna go to the heat. He's no he's   no he's he's flew back to Israel or who were he was like, he's somewhere, but like his island is still active   and they're still actively kicking people off the sun. And so, anyway, so I don't think he's dead because the the cadaver that we saw   right, like, when when this was happening,   you know who else died who looked very much similar to,   to Epstein at the time was Tony Rodham, the sister of Hillary or the sister the brother of Hillary Clinton.   Interesting. He died within a month of Epstein, and he looked   really similar. Like, there he doesn't like, it it's not exactly the same, but I've seen like, people have, like, zoomed in on, like, the face of, like, the the cadaver that's supposed to be Epstein, and certain things don't quite match up. Like like, the his earlobes and his teeth. It's like there's little things where it's like this  

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yeah. I I alien, like, you know, I've talked I don't remember which podcast I talked. Maybe it was a high hash rate one where I talked about how I thought Dennis Rodman was definitely an alien. You know? And they made up a story about how he grew a foot in a year,   and everybody bought it.   And, he came out of nowhere and became this NBA all time great player.   And it's like, well, where was he? Where'd he go to college? Oh, he grew a foot while he was in college, and then he turned out to be the weirdest fucking   the weirdest   unfitting person ever. Like, I pretty like, that sometimes they can't find somebody their height  

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to switch these people out. We we saw that with Biden. Remember, like, some of some of the body doubles with Biden, and, like, they're just dramatically the wrong height.  

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Yeah. And next thing you know, he's, like, in North Korea trying to find his way back home somehow. I don't know. It's really, really strange. Didn't he also defeat like, win over AIDS?   Is that Magic Johnson? That's Magic Johnson, and he did not he did not win.   Alright. Well, we'll get to that. I've got I've got Aid. And that's by the way, you've now you've now hit a fourth rail literally. Like, you keep mentioning things that are part of this granddaddy.  

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Alright.  

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Aid is also part Aid's Castro,   Oswald. This is a great grab bag.  

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Former president Obama is, is gay.  

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It seems   it definitely seems,   that that's got some heat to it.   Yeah. You're you're skating around the other one. Right? The big piece His his chef?   His chef,  

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I guess. Did his chef commit suicide or he drowned? Or No. I don't believe that for a second. Yeah. Definitely his personal chef,  

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was definitely murdered. Doctor, basically.  

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Yeah. And it's yeah. He was he was definitely murdered. Obama definitely seems to be gay and is okay. So what what about big Mike?  

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I guess I shouldn't phrase it that way. What Let me put it this way. It's a I think it's a valid conspiracy. Well, I guess that's, like, the most nonalienating   way I could put it. I do think it's a valid   it's a valid conspiracy.  

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Okay.   What are your problem with it?   What are your thoughts about the Denver Airport?  

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It being the biggest and best airport in the country that what's the conspiracy there?  

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The so the architecture and our and the art that is in it is incredibly satanic. Like, the entire architecture. Yeah. The the Denver Airport has, like, hallways that don't go anywhere. It has incredibly amount of very satanic,   imagery in the in the the   the three d art and the two d art on the walls.   There are and, like, the idea is, like, okay. Well, this has been the Denver Airport is where the elites will arrive, like, in this when whenever they decide to reset the world, like, Denver Airport is where they will be arriving and, like and so attached to the Denver Airport is gonna be some kind of bunker system with a high speed electric rail that goes wherever these these elites are gonna so, like, they will be flying to the Denver Airport where they arrive at, oh, yes. Here's our airport that was made for us and all the things we worship. I think it's plausible.  

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Okay. I'm not against I'm not against that.  

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It's plausible. Yeah. I agree. It's plausible. That's  

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look up the look up some of the imagery from the it's it's kind of crazy how It was made to be the best by like, it was made to be by far the best airport, like, in the country.  

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What are your thoughts on the Georgia Guidestones?  

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What the fuck are they?  

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The Georgia Guidestones were a it was a series of monoliths in Georgia that had a bunch of things like,   like,   the directions to a future civilization on how to live, how to live and maintain. It's like, keep keep the total speed it's it's that things like, keep the total species total number of your species, like, under a million, under 3,000,000 to to maintain harmony with,   harmony with nature. All of these things,   and then they they were dynamited,   like, last year or the year before. Somebody dynamite blew them up, and then they were immediately destroyed. Like, the they and there's some kind of there was also there was a time capsule that was under it that was immediately dug up and taken after somebody blew it up.   Never heard about any of this. Interesting. Alright. Interesting. My my read on so the the Georgia Guidestones are tied into the new world order. That that was my read on it. And then when they were getting too hot and too like, then they were they were disposed of. Like, it was meant to look like some ancient knowledge?  

Well, I mean, it wasn't made to look like ancient. It was definitely very recently made. It wasn't, like, made to look ancient, but it was it was made these were things that were made to survive   something like a pole shift apocalypse.   Do we have are there have you ever heard of nuclear drilling machines?   Nope.   Alright. My so I am a 100% on board with nuclear drilling machines.   What so we have the deep underground military base network is something that has there's a lot of evidence for all over the nation.   And   a problem with that of, like, at some point when they were excavate, like, whenever they were excavating the, the high speed rail between DC and Harrisburg,   there's like, you can you can drive that, like, that,   that that district goes kinda it kind of curves up through York towards Philadelphia then comes over towards Harrisburg. And all along there, like, there are predictable places where they disposed of all of the,   soil that they that that they dug out of ground. It's like as you're digging like, the boring company has this problem. It's Elon's boring company. Like, as you're digging out a tunnel, you have to do you have to, like, physically cart out all of the material you're removing and then do something with it. It's like modern modern,   like, what we think of as modern boring and drilling technology   just uses a bunch of liquid, and they they turn all of this dirt into a slurry and then just pump it out. And then you have to do something with it. So, like, the like, among the older parts of this nation, like, the East Coast,  

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there's places like, if you go along the Turnpike, the Turnpike it's really likely there is a high speed electric rail that is under the turnpike, and that's why they put the turnpike in where it does where where it is. Talking about the New Jersey Turnpike or the I'm talking about the turnpike. Is is that the same thing as the New Jersey Turnpike? No. Not the same thing. I was thinking the New Jersey Turnpike because it is like, I've I've been watching a lot of videos about how Jersey or that, like, the area I grew up in Jersey was, like, massive military. It was just massive had no I had no idea. Right? It was massive, massive, massive ill military   installation   and, you know, it's known for dumping, like, a lot of toxic shit, but it's never connected to that. Anyway Well, yeah. So it's, like, we there's so there's  

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we know of certain deep underground military bases and some a certain, like, certain ones of them have been declassified at this point because they're obsolete.   Like, the Greenbrier   in West Virginia,   has is is one of the this was where the senate and congress was supposed to go in the event of a nuclear attack. And it's like they just it's it's now you you could just go there and get a tour of the of this massive bunker system because this Where in West Virginia?   I can't it the the hotel is called the Greenbrier. I I it's it's in the it's in the mountains of West Virginia. It's in a place that would seem survivable from pole shift and definitely as far enough away from DC that if DC was nuked that you would this was a great place. But then they they have a new place to go now, so the Green Briar has been declassified.   And, like, you can go there and stay and then get tours of this whole bunker area. But and the same thing. Like, basically, the the older you go back in   getting back to the boring technology, the older you go back in American history, like, you see evidence of these massive underground   dig out projects. Like, Raven Rock is between Pennsylvania and   and Maryland. It's right there down there by the border. And there's all around Raven Rock, you will find remnants of all of the stuff they dug out of that of that   of that tunnel system.  

But then okay. That is a mass that is a failure mode for like, if you wanna big dig massive deep underground,   bunkers and mines and stuff, but you don't want your adversaries with satellite imagery to tell to see that, oh, look at all this they're digging out. Alright. So there there must be some massive project going on around here. It's like, okay. Enter the okay. You another way you could dig a tunnel and not have any   debris coming out that you don't need is a nuclear boring machine. So So you you put a new a small nuclear reactor inside a boring machine   and then put all of that electrical energy into   heating elements upfront, and you basically turn the rock into lava,   like, at the at the beginning, and you just bore right through that. And as it solidifies around the,   like, where you're coming, like, you don't even you don't have to even put in any, like, walls or shell, like like the   physical walls to keep out the water because you are vitrifying and turning all so new if the there is a a certain point as as these tunnels were going west that these,   giant   the giant evidence of tunnels stopped appearing. So, like, it's very likely that a nuclear type a nuclear boring machine was invented and is in use now, but, like, we don't there's   anyway, so that that is a long way. We we stay on this one too long, but, yeah, nuclear boring machines is like Alright.  

The it's makes sense that a nuclear something like a nuclear boring machine exists, the technology. Like, I can imagine it. I mean, like, other people can imagine. Like, there's no reason it shouldn't exist, and it's far superior to what we're using now. So it's likely it exists.   Alright.   The French president's wife is a man.  

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Seems that. Seems real likely. Bridget Macron. I you know, again, that whole category of conspiracies, I'm fine with.  

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You know? Totally fine with. Yeah. I I was very much,   like, very skeptical of this until I actually took the time to listen to the evidence that Candace is putting out. I was like, oh, no. This is, this is absolutely real. And it's fascinating now that Candace is being sued by the French government and, like, are are we gonna see some resolution in this in court? Because that would be amazing. Yeah. I think I joked that the  

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there was some story said, like, oh, she's gonna present absolute evidence that she's a woman, and I think I joked that, yes, she's gonna describe word for word   what her mother-in-law said last Thanksgiving. The  

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I I saw that. Yeah. Yeah. It was like it's it's really okay. You wanna prove you're a woman? Let's spit in a cup. Spit in a cup. Like, dude, do you do you have a y chromosome? Or, excuse me, do you do you have a then you're a man. Like, that's like, it's there's a really simple thing for them to to solve, and yet she's like fine with, like, these theories just because it's like it's the same, like, fake Toshi theories. Like, just let's let's actually  

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normalize proving it and move on.  

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We're we're into the, the final stretch here. We got some health care related ones.  

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Yeah. Well, those are those are the ones. The COVID shots cause turbo cancer. Yeah. Okay. I mean, these are not theories.  

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Okay. Like, I I'm sorry. Of  

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you know? Yes.   And it's actually related   also to the granddaddy.   Dude, yeah. I'm terrified of this. To what I keep referring to is the granddaddy. This is a another subchapter   of it, and,   it's real.  

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Part of it is the mRNA, and part of it is the fact that now we found SV 40 in the in the COVID vaccines. That's okay. We'll we'll end with that one. That one's coming up very soon, but I'll there's three after that. I'll just make that one the last one. We'll we'll end with that one because because I'm not familiar with that one. I wanna hear I wanna hear you go into it. But okay. COVID shots caused turbicancer terrifies me because I've I had two of those shots. They can.   Yeah. No. It it right. It see it seems that there were, like, hot shots and then shots that weren't as hot. And so it depends on your your prognosis really seems to depend on what version   of the   of the Moderna or   Pfizer or, like, what version did you get? And then what was it hot or not? And it's like, yeah. Like, I have friends. Like, I just had a family friend this last week, went in for a routine elective surgery and died there on the table. Like, they they found a mass on his spine. He went in for a gastric bypass,   and they found a mass on his spine. Messed up, man. And so yeah. Like, he he he woke up from the gastric bypass surgery and was paralyzed. Couldn't move his legs. So they did an MRI, and it's like, oh, there's a mass on your spine. Let's go back and take that. And he never woke up. Yeah. That's like a turbo cancer.  

It's like I like, was this turbo cancer? Was this unrelated?   It's like, I haven't died of cancer yet, but, like, I've lost   a not insubstantial amount of weight in the past year. Like, maybe that's because I'm, like, an active dad with two young kids, or maybe I have cancer, and I'm losing weight because I'm a like, I've got cancer. It's, like, it's definitely in the back of my brain, and I hate it.  

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Yes. I mean, I've I have arthritis now.   And is that, like, yes. Literally yesterday, it looked like a hammer was growing out of my finger.   Is that and, yeah, you'd have to ask the question, but   the reality is,   so so you wanna really get conspiratorial.   The the cleanliness   of the shot   was related   to lawyers per capita in the ZIP code you live in.  

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You're right. Yes. Like, yeah, I've thought about that too. Like, I I think   I may like, come like, Cumberland County   probably is like a satellite of Harrisburg. Like, it's got they've got a lot of, like, super left people here and, like, it's well connected politically. It feels like it feels like if they were gonna pick places to give, like, let let's keep the cancer out of here. Like, I'm I wanna say that I've I'm in a lucky place for that, but I don't it's I hate that I have to run this daemon process in the back of my mind at all times now.  

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Yeah. You do. But it's unfortunate, and it goes back a long time. You have a lot more things to worry about in addition to this. So that's the business.  

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Five g is, will shred your DNA.  

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Five g is very, very harmful.   So that's I don't, you know, I don't know about shredding your DNA. I think,   you know, I think people are getting it con are getting confused about what actually happens,   but it's very it's very harmful.  

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My I've I've had a very hard time   accepting that five g is dangerous just because of the difference between ionizing and non ionizing radiation.   Like, my my understanding like, again, like, I'm everything comes back to my understanding of physics. And my understanding of physics I mean, I would say it's it's like, McCullough  

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wrote a great book about EMF,   and it's before five g existed, but I think it provides a good framework. And it sort of,   my memory of it my memory of it is not great, but I remember that's where I that's where I finally, like, was like   the psyop   of ionized like like, that one is healthy for you and one is not. You know? Like, that psyop got destroyed reading that book.  

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Fluoride   is put in our waters it put in our water because it makes our teeth stronger.  

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Fluoride   is,   well, let me put it this way. Whatever the conspiracy is, fluoride is fucking,   very harmful   neurotoxin,   and I don't believe it's put in the water for our teeth. Yes.  

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Alright. Yeah. We're large than the same. Like, I I agree. I think there there was a case in, like, the the in the the eighteen hundreds, nineteen hundreds. There was a case out in Colorado. I think there was a a town that had naturally fluoridated water, and those people had incredible teeth, And that was essentially the basis of the like, oh, well, we should add this, like and there's a big difference between natural fluoride and industrial fluoride,   and we just I the explanation I've heard is that based on this one town, they were like, oh, well, clearly fluoride's good for you. We better put it in all the all the water everywhere so that everybody has good teeth. And, yeah, that's yeah. Fluoride is a very toxic actually it's actually one of the worst things you can pot you like, you like, you're gonna have in your body.  

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And if they wanted us to have good teeth, they would put they would put grass fed butter in our water.  

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AIDS is a bioweapon.  

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Granddaddy.   Lyme disease is bioweapon. Related to the granddaddy. AIDS is not a well, well, I don't think AIDS is a bio well, it was it   Does AIDS exist? I'll bring I'll bring Is AIDS real? Let me before we talk about the granddaddy thing, let me talk about AIDS real quick. We're gonna go two hours here. Right? I assume.  

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Yeah.  

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Whatever. The big conspiracy, I think, the big psyop that most of the country is under right now is that HIV and AIDS are, like, the same thing.   Right. HIV  

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leads to AIDS. HIV causes AIDS. Right. No. I put it the other way. I thought AIDS leads to HIV. No. It's that it's HIV was like the thing.  

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Oh, right. Right. Okay. HIV is what they invented PCR testing for. Okay.   Okay. And,   and then they decided that   there was a very high correlation   between HIV and AIDS and so and AIDS was the death sentence.   So if you have HIV and we can test for it, then you can take medicine to help you prevent AIDS. This is what Manchin Johnson got caught up with   and this is what hundreds of thousands of now dead   people got caught up with who died from medication.   And then it turned out there was no correlation really at all between HIV and AIDS.   And that was actually that which was that that communication was delivered by the two people who discovered AIDS who were competing for   the recognition.  

Yeah. The On a on their best day, it was, like, in the thirties, the correlation. What? Fauci being involved with the the HIV and AIDS epidemic, like, just  

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puts everything into question. Like, I don't really wanna believe anything of it.   It's like Yeah. I don't.   Yeah. How about Lyme disease?  

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Oh, Lyme disease is legit.  

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What you know? I mean, I it's what it's real, but, like, is it a bioweapon?  

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If it is, it's not being used enough, I guess. And why it's only being used, like, in the Northeast. You know? So so my read on limes from what I Lyme disease is is it was a bioweapon  

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designed, like, back in the forties.  

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And then Oh, okay. So is it was it in other words, was it again, this goes back to the granddaddy.   Was it a accidental,  

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Accidentally released. Yes. Is there an accidental release of what was supposed to be a bio weapon? The first examples of Lyme disease That I believe show up right outside the bioweapon facility where it was which the name is escaping me, but it's up in the Northeast, and it was the the Lyme disease showed up from  

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biting ticks right outside of this weapons research area. Yeah. That's absolutely plot. I mean, fuck yeah. By the way, let's go back to five G for a sec.   Just for one can I just hit one now to the doctor Mary's monkey because, like, that was the last one? Let me just hit 5 real quick just to give you a fun fact. Okay. Do you know where the do you know where, like, the first five g where five g was first turned on and when? Nope. It was turned on in October 2019 in Wuhan.  

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Oh, right. Right. Okay. Yeah. I've I've heard that before. Fun fact. That I mean,   I would have to see a citation on that. I can't like, 2019   seems an awful late for five g techno. Like, five g had to have been developed They still haven't it's still not wasted. Like, it's actually still not really implemented.  

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Five g was really created for all, like, the you know, it was, like, for, like, the short range smart meters to communicate with each other. Yeah. It's millimeter wave technology.   Yeah. And it's like it's still not really fully it was supposed to be rolled out, though, roughly around that time. That's Okay. That was the plan rollout and  

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they, you know anyway. Let's get to the granddaddy.   Because   whenever I mentioned this, you you responded back with the the doctor Mary's monkey,   which I I clicked on. I I I went to that link and was checking it out. I was like, oh, interesting. Okay. This is outside of   the ones that I've heard about. So let's talk about the granddaddy of them now. Okay. How how does that all these things connect? You'll get a better you may  

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you may get a better explanation   on, like, go check out, like, when Jack Cruz is on Breedlove's podcast. He gives a very he talks about it for probably two hours. Let me I'm gonna hit the highlights.   That was that was one of the things that got me to read the book, Doctor Mary's Monkey.   So the author of the book, Ed Haslam,   his,   his father   was   his father worked they were in   Louisiana New Orleans,   and I think his dad was part of the team that was working on a, a bioweapon to kill Castro.   And   his dad was on by the this this all took place, you know, fifties and sixties mostly. Right?   Coincided with   coincided with the polio vaccine.  

But in I think it was maybe '71 or '72, his dad was on his deathbed.   And the author of this book, Ed Haslam, is a young boy, maybe nine years old. And he tells him,   son,   If ever if ever in your life you see   a virus or any kind of mass   sickness that's attributed   to monkeys,   you have to know it's you have to look into it. And it is me. It is this thing I was working on, and it was this thing that it was this thing.   That's the that's, like, sort of the impetus of why he existed and why he spent his life   researching this. Okay?   So now what happened was what   this goes sort of goes back to,   in the fifties.  

They were working   they were working on a bio weapon to kill Castro.   K?   And the   I don't know what the relation is   to,   you know, to polio, but what they they were taking simian viruses,   and they were using this machine called the linear it's like a linear accelerator machine called the LINAC.   And they were irradiating,   like, SIV,   which is the simian   version of HIV.   Right? They were   they were fucking with it. They were irradiating it, giving it different properties.   Mhmm.   And it occurred at I guess at some point, it occurred to them that   they were fucking with something they didn't understand. At some point, it did it it it's like   and that they had a problem on their hands.  

And that really when that happened was the polio vaccine   initially  

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killed much people. Right. And it gave him polio too. Right? Or  

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Well, yeah. But it it would, like, literally, like, cause, like, death.   And the head of, like, the project, this guy, Alan Ochsner, was, like, the head of the project of the bio weapon for Castro.   And he was like the most one of the most powerful medical guys in the world   down in LSU.   He basically said this is all hogwash and he had all his grandkids take the polio vaccine and two of them died immediately.   You know? So like they knew that there was a problem on their hands,   and then the whole thing became   it's like a   it was like either fix it   and clean up the cover up. Right? Fix it and cover it up. Right? And the turn so   so they were running this project over time now. Right? And they were putting, you know, putting mice in blenders and shit. Like, they were trying everything they could to try to basically now fix   this fix this polio problem. Part of it was this thing, SV forty, semian virus. SV stands for semian virus.  

So SV forty got into the polio vaccine, and it was like,   you know, I don't know how much of the country got it, but a lot it was a lot.   You know?   And maybe it stayed dormant in a while for a while, but it turned out that Pfizer kept all the s p four. In fact, they were put   s v forty   is,   it's still around.   And,   basically, what they figured out was it got it was still it was getting into the COVID shots. And if you saw s v forty in the polio shot and then you got it again   in the COVID shot, you were you're just like instantly you were you were you were deleted. Mhmm.   You know?  

This guy Kevin McKernan was like a big is the today, like, the guy championing this research showing   the SV 40 still around,   in the COVID shots. He was on Marty Benz podcast maybe six months ago.   Anyhow,   go back they go back to Mary Shannon was the lead was, like, the lead scientist on this project,   and Oswald was, like, one of her main lab techs. And,   you know, Oswald was Oswald had defected, like,   supposedly. Right? But in his story, he defected. He moved to Russia.   Okay?   And then he was allowed back into United States. I read I learned all of this reading this book. I didn't k. So he was allowed back in The United States   by some decree. Right?  

And, you know, it's like the conspiracy around   the JFK assassination,   a lot of it and the conspiracy around this lab,   a lot of it revolves around what theory you're willing to accept as to why The US allowed allowed him back.   Right? Did they allow him back so that he would be an asset   to CIA? Right?   And who, you know,  

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who did he owe who did he essentially owe the giant When you say allowed him back, was there was there, like, a no fly list back then? Like, what was the mechanism Yeah. He was a fucking he was a, like, a no he was a registered  

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communist living in The USSR.  

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Right. But, I mean, like, there was this was the He wasn't allowed back. And, like, he had to be pardoned. This was the sixties. Right? Fifties, I think. Late is it either, like, late fifties or it was, like, late fifties. Or but it's like even that, like, okay. That would be alarming now, but, like, there was, like, a national communist wing of politics back then. Like, that I guess it was less   Well, I was like I don't know why he wouldn't let somebody fly in because they're communist. He, like, he, like, had officially defected. Did he, like, renounce his citizenship and stuff?  

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I believe I believe he didn't. The stories   the stories are all that he did it so that that this was all orchestrated so that Castro would trust him. Okay.   Got it. Well, like, he's he's yeah. But this is a big long game that,   you know, he was and when he came back, he was, you know, he was, like, lead you know, involved with communist groups. Okay. He was all to supposedly build trust with Castro.   This whole thing is so fucking wild. Right?   There's a lot more to Lee Harvey Oswald than people fucking understand, though. Right? I mean, he And when he came back, he was also immediately, like, in with the with the very powerful mafia in New Orleans, right, was known to be one of the most more powerful   mafias,   in the in the country.  

And so the questions then were, like, who really who was he loyal to?   Did he do did he murder JFK for them?   That's a big question. But anything I   so first of all, any   if you ask why haven't the JFK files been released,   the going theory would be that it's because there's a lot of information about him, his work   in this,   his work in this lab, which is thought now to have unleashed,   soft tissue cancers,   AIDS, potentially, like and they blame the monkeys, you know, for for them. Mhmm.   Mhmm. You know, if that's all true, it   does make sense as to why it's the most covered up thing ever.  

Yeah. And nobody will ever be held responsible. It's like the the people that are wasn't what you thought it was. Yeah. Pol like, polio was the polio vaccine was fucking deadly. Okay? And it does actually you know, most people now accept the fact that it was the banning of DDT that ended that ended   what was not what was thought to be polio. And that polio was really really by people who understand thought to be basically you the use   of chemicals in medicine and agriculture for  

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a couple hundred years. Did you get a polio shot when you were a kid? I don't I don't think so. My my parents, like, my parents all had them, and they they always, like, would show, like, that, like, they have a circle on their on their arm where they got it because it left a massive scar.  

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It's the, it's that's the granddaddy psy op. Right? Polio is the granddaddy psy op,   and I believe this is the granddaddy conspiracy   of all conspiracy. And I believe, like, to the point where I would just say, like, when you see Whitney Webb out there, it's because they're like, well, this is gonna get people not this is yet another thing to get people to stop thinking about s p 40.  

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Mhmm. Mhmm. Yeah. So, again, Whitney Webb is interested. What's your read on Whitney Webb?  

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Like, is is she organic or is she Definitely not organic. Okay. I'm not saying she's wrong about stuff. Like, she's probably right about things, and I, like, I don't doubt the veracity, but that there's no way. There's no possible way that they that she's allowed   to like, if you believe she's correct, which I guess I have no reason not to, then there's then then there's a reason why she's allowed. Yeah. Why would they stopped her? Yeah.   Okay. And, you know, and I I I tend to think that reason is demoralization   at this point.  



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Well, yeah. My my re   similarly, like, demoralization, and they're like, there is something too. Like, the birds are I didn't bring up the birds are drones. No. Like, because you're big because you've talked about it so much in the podcast in the past 73 episodes. That's your thing with your brother. Right? Your brother. Well, it's like there's certain ideas out there that I feel are propagated and pushed by the powers that be because they drive a certain amount of pop the population just absolutely batshit crazy.   And, like Yeah.  

I don't know. Like, I Whitney is an incredible researcher. I I cannot like, her books are so hard to read and, like, listening to her interviews, she's she's so abrasive, but, like, boy, is she driven by  

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She may not know   why she exists.   Like, I'm not even saying she's part of   you know, she may be organic in and of herself. Right.   But there is no   way on earth that she's just some gumshoe reporter,   getting the truth out. You know? It's just it's just no way.   She's being allowed for a specific reason, and I'm guessing there are limits   whether she knows them or not   as to what gets into public.  

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She exists in a similar part of my brain as Alex Jones. It's like I I I believe that both of them are   like, I I don't believe that either of them have, like, a a boss who is, like, scheming and mad and, like, but, like, I yeah. I both I think voracious readers that Both of them have been put in, like, co opted. Not not I mean, not co opted, but, like, they've been identified   as useful   ways to disseminate  

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counter stories. Absolutely. We'll just leak this to them and then their audience can can get this out there. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, that is yeah. Again, I guess maybe that's the granddaddy of conspiracies because this is what we're dealing with every day.   Right? This is just what we're dealing with now. Like, you can't   there's nobody with, like, over a 100,000 followers that isn't co opted in some way whether they know it or not.  

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So so, when do you think that we'll get the call?   Like, we're not we're not I've never gotten a call to be like, hey. Hey. Hey, mister And like I said, it may never happen. On board this train. It it may never happen.  

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You may I'm not like, I don't I am not saying Whitney Webb has gotten a call.   Right? She may not she may not even know, but she knows like, she's smart enough to know that probably   she's only being only, you know, only a portion of what she discusses is being seen.  

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Well, I bring up the call because, like, recently, Dave Smith and Nick Fuentes   have both, like, taken the side of, like, we don't know that this like, there's a lot of people on the Internet who really seem to be lining up that   Charlie Kirk was killed   because of Israel. Like, is Israel did it. Okay. It doesn't matter if this kid did it. Israel is the ultimate. And, like, two of the most   prominent naysayers of Israel, Dave Smith and Nick Fuentes, have both, like, okay. We we need to be clear. Like, there is no evidence for this. This is this is a theory, and, like, we and a lot of their audience have been, like, oh, look. Nick and Dave, both they got the call. Like, they're they're like, what I mean, again, but it's it's like  

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this goes back to that the public isn't ready   to know that Israel reports to a bunch of people.   Yeah. Of course. Like, the public is not ready to know that clearly because they're they're so, you know, they're so in love with Israel. Like, it to me, Israel is like BPA in plastic.   Okay?   It's like we're meant to think that's the only thing in plastic, and if it's the b if it's BPA free, it's all good.   You know? Like, we're not like, we are not ready to know that there's, like,   a lot of other things   in there as well and that it's   we're just not ready to know that Israel   takes its orders too from from others in there. That's Israel is definitely another, like, the  

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what are the themes that weave a lot of these conspiracies together? It's like it's unfortunate how often it comes back to some kind of state of Israel. What kind of psych what what kind of low thinking person thinks that,  

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would think that Israel is sovereign, but yet The US isn't and we report up to it, like, Israel? Like, what kind of honestly, what kind of low thinking   psychotic person, honestly, would think that those two things   are true? Like, that Israel somehow is the king of the jungle   that has reports to nobody, and yet we, as The United States, are not like, we're totally un sovereign and totally under their control, and they're, like, some   you know, they're the kings.  

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I am definitely uncomfortable with the amount of deference that my government gives to the government of Israel. The the amount of 100%.  

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Yes. Yeah. We Yeah. I mean, we could do an entire episode about that, and we probably maybe we should one of these days. I am very uncomfortable  

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with   pictures of, like, Donald Trump pulling out the chair for Netanyahu   and, like, the the amount of   Netanyahu hasn't won an election in thirty fucking years. And Right. Yeah. No. Like, I mean Somehow, you can't get rid of this motherfucker. The pre yeah. Like, I it's it's it's like it's one like, the the lowest hanging is, like, okay. Well, it's the Jews are probably like, no. Not really. It's State Of Israel. No. It's not State Of Israel. It's Masad. Like, really, it's the Likud party. It's, oh, that's Benjamin. That's Bibi's party. It's like a real yeah. It's he's of a central weird how decentralized  

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that thing is too. And it's just,   like I said, we could do an entire episode on fucking Israel. I mean, I think the the APAC thing is a pretty shitty thing.   It's pretty obviously shitty.   Right? APAC k. You didn't by the way, so you didn't mention the APAC Conspiracy and JFK assassination. Right?  

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No. No. I I kind of yeah. I there I thought about going into some of the yeah. There Which is a higher signal. I'll say that's a higher signal,  

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conspiracy than   the fact that the the one I hear from Bitcoiners that it was like he was trying to that he was somehow related to,   wanting hard money   and being assassinated for that, which is I think is the it's absurd.   You know? Like, it's absurd that that would be the reason   of all the reasons that people had to want to assassinate him. And I think the APAC one is   not terrible. That's not you know? Because look look. Like, you have to understand what,  

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and Israel isn't one thing either. You know? Yeah. There's they're not one thing and, you know, the was, he he had he this was shortly after he had he was really upset about them stealing nuclear technology. Is that is that right? Like, Israel stole nuclear technology,   and then he was like, they wanted to start APAC, and he was like, absolutely not. You have to register as a foreign agent. And then he was killed, and then immediately APAC was approved.  

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Yeah. Okay. And all these years late I mean and, you know, like, I think I've said this on the show before. Like, the one when when Trump   refused   when he refused to release the JFK files, I thought it was because there was just so much   damning shit on Israel about it that he   couldn't do it. And then after I read doctor Mary's monkey, I thought, okay.   There's another reason.   How did everything get so fucked up?   Do you want   to   change   your mind?   You can   always change   your mind.   You and I could quit this thing.   Build a town and then succeed   like