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In this lively episode of Paul English Live, we delve into the fascinating world of English heritage and law with special guest Hannah Bader. Despite the gloomy weather, the conversation is bright and engaging as Hannah shares her journey from a legally trained barrister to a passionate advocate for reclaiming English counties and empowering the people through trial by jury. Her insights into the historical and legal frameworks that have shaped England, and her vision for a future where people reclaim their rights and heritage, are both enlightening and inspiring.

We also explore the power of symbolism, particularly through the use of county flags and the ancient white dragon flag of England, as a means to unite and empower communities. The episode is filled with humour and lively discussions, including the potential for new roles like sheriffs and the importance of community assemblies. With contributions from listeners and co-host Eric von Essex, the show is a spirited call to action for reclaiming English identity and law.

[00:00:05] Unknown:

Hi, everyone. Welcome back. It's, Thursday   July   24.   Calendar in head still working.   This is Paul English live episode 97. We've got a fun and interesting show lined up for you tonight. Welcome to the show.   And although the weather's gone a little bit gloomy round here over the last   ten or twelve hours, started off sunny but it's gone a bit gloomy, we're going to have a bright  

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and   cheery   show   for   you   tonight.  

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I'm, of course, joined,   by the ever present and ever amusing Eric von Essex. He's in tow. He'll be here shortly.   And in a few moments after that, we'll be joined by our guest of tonight, Hannah Bader. Looking forward to this one.   Well, hi everyone. Welcome back. As I said, it's, it's good old Thursday. A little bit gloomy here this evening which is, which is fine. We get a little bit of gloom. It's nice and warm though and muggy. I don't know where it is where you you've been, but, nice and warm and muggy around here.   And, I'm joined, of course, by Eric von Essex. Eric, hello. Good evening to you. How are you doing this fine Greetings. Of fine evening. Greetings. How are you? Well well, at,  

[00:02:08] Unknown:

Fockem Hall Towers, it's a little bit cooler up here up in the you know, we're a little bit more north than,   you are, Paul. And,   yes. It's, it's not I wouldn't say it's cold, but it's a little chilly in the air. As you know, I think it's due to the, Japanese air conditioning. There's a nip in the air. Is there?  

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Yes. Yes. See, sir. Yes. Slightly. I bet it's it's okay, you know. I mean, it's not freezing cold, but it's it's just right, actually, but not muggy. It's strange, isn't it? Yeah. I guess. Yeah. It's not too bad. I've just been out I went out for a little saunter as I often do pre show, just down to the beach, you know, for a sort of gazing off into the distance there, looking to spot yachts and things and all that kind of stuff. Quite nice, though. Not a bad evening. Of course, nearly knocked over by a couple of runners. These people always running around destroying their knee joints and things like that.   But,  

[00:03:00] Unknown:

well, look, you get knocked over by people's scooters here. You know, those those those sort of,   illegal scooters, but they they still use them. But, often like and I struck because you're close to the sea, and so am I. I'm just a,   40 miles away,   which in Australia would be living on the beach. Yes. Yes. It's a beautiful coastline. I mean, the,   South South End On Sea is the no. Actually, no. It's Malden On Sea is the is the closest coastline to me. That's,   about 35   miles away. So there we go. So not that far. Yeah.  

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A couple of little things to bring to everybody's attention as well. I'll kind of more we'll get the gloominess out of the way. It's not I mean, it what it might not necessarily always be gloomy, but,   some of you will know that, there was a a dear old chap used to call in here,   Sussex man. He hasn't called him for quite a few months.   And, he's been struggling a bit. He had, as many of you know, I I passed on that he'd had a stroke towards the back end of last year. He's been a long and dear friend of mine, for a long time. But sadly, he passed away this Sunday, just gone.   I went to visit him last week in hospital over at Eastbourne,   and he didn't seem too bad actually. At least he was understanding everything that I was saying,   but obviously things turned for the worst. And, he, shuffled off this mortal coil on Sunday at the grand old age of 86 plus x number of months. I don't know when he was exactly born.  

And I've just been over there today, really, with his family and helping them sort a few things out. He was,   a wonderful chap. I've known him since about 02/2013.   So although there is a generation gap between us and and we had considerably different cultural tastes as you can imagine,   there was a tremendous shared   interest in English history and the law, which is gonna be very much the theme of tonight's show. Something that he would have enjoyed very much, of course. Maybe he's enjoying it anywhere from where he is. But, Chris, wherever you are, have a fantastic journey onto the next leg of whatever it is that's coming up.   You know, it's funny that you sort of bump into people so much older than yourself courtesy of this technology. That's what brought us all together   many years ago and just end up with a tremendous shared interest. So I was just over there really making sure that parts of his vast library,   don't disappear into the ethers and I managed to,   secure that which was being good.  

And it reminds me of that phrase. What's that thing? When an old man dies, a library burns to the ground. And I think in Chris's case, it's probably three or four libraries because he was,   he was very well stocked and curious right up to the very end. It was   tremendous really. Very open minded about things, always looking to ask questions and throw out   any sort of false understandings that he may have picked up. And I only discovered today, I didn't know this, that his real profession he was a horticulturist   and he'd worked down at Kew Gardens for years. So,   this vast book collection that he had, it turns out that the vast majority of them were all about plants. And I don't have a green finger in my body, Eric. I don't know about you, but I'm sort of green fingerless.  



[00:06:09] Unknown:

Very well, I I I don't know. I mean, you know, I kinda like gardening, actually. Because,   apparently, my star sign is an earth sign. See, I'm Taurus, the bull. So I'm for the bull, you see. So there we go.   But,   I thought to But Arturians' home builders, but maybe that explains it. You're you're DIY in the garden and all that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. I I kinda like being in the garden. I like being next to nature.   But I'd like to say something for Chris. We only spoke briefly on your show. Bless you, Chris.   Thanks for making a mark on on on this earth, and,   you know,   good luck where where you're off to now. So, you know, it it was an honor to speak to him.  



[00:06:50] Unknown:

Much appreciated, Eric. There's a fine thought. So, I was I was with the vicar today because they're getting organized, and he said to me, he said,   now would you would you say a eulogy at the service? I said,   yeah. An hour? I said, teasing.   An hour. I said, no. No. We don't want it that long. Really? Two hours then.   Because I did all the you've got to bring cushions. This is going to be a long haul. We're gonna be going through an awful lot of things here. But, yeah, I don't know when it is. It'll be a few weeks' time. But,   lots of people around the house who all have really sort of, you know, been rather charmed by Chris's sort of demeanor and everything. He had a handyman who'd been redoing all his house right up to the very moment. And I think it was,   he just it it looks like he got some kind of an infection.  

And it it was, after the stroke, it was just a bit too much. And there we go. Anyway, at least I got to see him on Wednesday and shake his hand a bit, and he he didn't seem too bad then, but, obviously, there we go. 86. It's not about innings. It's not about innings. Bad, but I just hope he didn't suffer. I don't know if he just I don't think he did. We did did he have much of a family? Did he have a family at all? Yeah. That well, some of them were down there, but,   they'd flown down from Invernessence stuff. He was pretty much his own man. Let's put it that way. I don't think we need Yeah. He was pretty much, you know, he cut his own cloth and he was,   he had a very different view of of things as as the vicar noted to me today. Although the vicar's pretty good. He was great. He wasn't one of those hello. He wasn't one of those. He was quite a nice   sort   of guy. Yeah. He was great. He was pretty good, really. And I I think Chris had gone down there even though Chris didn't fully agree with organized churches.  

He would sort of get involved in all sorts of things and and make his contribution, let's put it that way, you know. So that was always good. That was always good. Is this the very old Bicce? He in his nineties, as you were talking about? Yeah. I think he is. Yeah. Yeah. I I said that to him. He seemed slightly offended or something, but he looked fine.   So I said Are you the guy that's 98?   I said, no. I thought, well, you don't look a day over 91. No. I was just this is all running I don't say those things, but they're in my head all the time. And I have to get an editor on for all that. Of course, the other person that's passed away today or this week was Ozzy Osbourne of Black Sabbath.   We were Black Sabbath fan Eric.  



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No.  

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How did how did a man who could   well, let's put it this way.   Any passing is a sad experience. I mean, I feel sorry for his family, etcetera etcetera.   But quite honestly, I think he was just a talentless   nothing that was put up as an icon.  

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Oh, it's a little congoshed.  

[00:09:27] Unknown:

And for the for the drugs industry, I think he did lot for promoting   the illegal trade in drugs which of course the government is heavily into.  

[00:09:37] Unknown:

But we won't go into that but, no, I mean He's a I think he's an intro he was a funny sort of character in a way. Not that it wasn't really my sort of thing either. I understood I mean, I knew a lot of people in my sort of age group that were really into it. It didn't really sort of get me. There were a couple of things they did that were okay. But I think as an individual not I've read his autobiography. Apparently, his autobiography is an absolute hoot because he's actually just a,   a working class lad who's pretty sweet in real life. Actually, this is how he comes across. Everybody says that in normal life, he's quite a sweetie.   But when he got him on the stage, he turned into this other persona. You know, some people do that sort of thing and, look at Alice Cooper. Yeah. Alice Cooper,  

[00:10:19] Unknown:

wears a suit and tie and is very sort of businesslike.   Very posh when he comes off of stage. But when he's on stage, it's completely differently. Different. You know? The the idea of Chris and Ozzy Osbourne being fellow travelers to the new destination  

[00:10:33] Unknown:

is really quite bizarre.   That's what I was bringing up. They're they're about as as far as on the cultural sensitivity scale   as you could possibly imagine. So anyway, there we go. Anyway, good luck to both of them. Good luck to both of them on their journey. Anyway, Eric, as you know, we have an interesting guest this evening. Yes. Hannah Badder, who's,   just hopefully, she's here. And, we've got her on the line. And, Hannah, are you are you with us this evening?  

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I am.  

[00:11:03] Unknown:

Wonderful. Nice to have you. So we've got through all we've got through all the introduction bit. We've we've learned about a few things this, that, and the other. So,   yeah. No. It's great to have you here after our conversations earlier on in the week and and last week. Mhmm. And,   Yeah.   Really sort of, you know, ever since I spoke to you, as I mentioned, that it's been running around in my head all of these little ideas and thoughts on what you're up to and what you're doing with the English County's Assembly   and what you might not be doing with them and what you might be doing yourself and all that kind of stuff. But many people I'm sure there's quite a few people here that do know you, but many don't. And also, a quick a quick thank you to Lisa. Lisa, thank you very much for making the, connection for me with Hannah. Yeah. Wonderful. Thank you very much, Leith. That's how you ended up getting here, didn't you? So but, you know, you've probably been asked this loads of times, I suppose. But if you were to be able to give us a quick preamble   about how you've got into this position, is there you have a little sort of  

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Oh, dear. Right.  

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This position as in,  

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do you would you like an elevator pitch of my life story? Is that what you're sort of Do you want to give us one? It's up to you. I don't mind. If you want to, we've got plenty of time. Yeah. Give us an elevator pitch. It's easy.  

[00:12:24] Unknown:

I well,   I'm I'm gonna start   of, so I am a working class woman   from an industrial town called Widnes,   right next door to Warrington, the home of the very infamous David Baron Ward. Mhmm. And,   I was raised as a Roman Catholic   and,   participated in the various   rituals,   shall we say, of that particular religion.  

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Yeah.  

[00:12:53] Unknown:

And, well, I mean, women in my town, it was, you know, finish school and start having children. It was there was no, I mean well, I mean, my mother was quite modern. She, used to sell Tupperware in Avon, so she was quite a businesswoman for an industrial town. But there wouldn't have been,   you know, high expectations   of of myself,   other than,   you know, to to marry and and have children. And and and actually, if you think about it, that's quite old fashioned really because   you know what I mean. I mean, I'm 56   and it's quite old fashioned if you think about your your late sixties,   early seventies.  

And you'd think   many people would have progressed, but a small industrial town that's,   you know, quite religious   Yes. Haven't progressed much at all.   So   I was into,   acting. I was a bit of a wild card as   having spoken to me, and the people on the line will probably know.   And, I was lucky because my teachers allowed me to,   be fairly self expressed.   And, so I was a bit of a sort of character, you know, when I was at school, and,   I played many acting roles. And I wanted to be an actress. And   when I left home,   I went to drama school   and did quite well. I was a theater actress for many years   and,   Shakespearean   and, toured around UK and sorry, England. Oops.  

There I go again. Rambling.  

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Yes.  

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I am in England. And,   and, really, that was my life until,   I got married and had my first son and realized that I probably needed to do something a bit more sensible because,   touring with, a young baby is not really   something you can do, not not easily.   And so I decided to do a law degree. I think also because I haven't done well academically when I was at school,   I suppose I wanted to prove that I could do,   something,   academic, you know, because my drama degree was, you know, arts arts based and dance and performance and all that. So it wasn't really academic.  

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Right.  

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I absolutely loved it. I went to London Metropolitan University.   They have a law school over there in Highbury Field. It's amazing. It's a little old,  

[00:15:20] Unknown:

building, and it was just fantastic. I absolutely loved it. What what what year would that be then when you went when you were going there Oh. Roundabout? '34, '44. I was 34. So it's my second, degree. So So this is the '19 when? The '19 when is  

[00:15:35] Unknown:

Oh, gold. Don't ask. I don't know. But anyway, I mean, I did it. And I and I   this I mean, it's quite crazy really because I had no GCSEs or anything because I left school without any qualifications. All I wanted to do was was be an actress.   Right. And then I did acting and did very well at the at that.   And I got into,   London Met as a mature student.   And,   so I was really lucky, but I touched I I just I just loved it, and I read tons and tons of books.   And I was a top student in trusts.   I actually got the highest grade in the in my year, in my cohort for,   my trust exam.  



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Right. And  

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then I thought, well,   because of my performance background, it just seemed like a no brainer to me that I would go to the bar and become a barrister.   And, that's what I did. So I,   I went to inner temple   in,   oh, Crikey. I think it's just off Fleet Street in London.   And, spent a year  

[00:16:41] Unknown:

across the loads when I was in London years ago. But yeah. Yeah. I know that neck of the woods. Spent a year there doing more rituals, which brought me back to my, Roman Catholicism,  

[00:16:51] Unknown:

very much so. And, those rituals were more based on things like ego and gluttony.   I spent twelve months,   in sumptuous dining halls   sitting next to titled   people,   trying to sort of, you know, fit in.   Always felt feeling slightly awkward even though I had my northern accent knocked out of me at drama school. I still you know, it was still kind of there. Do you know what I mean? The working class kind of, you know, sort of, inferiority, somewhat inferiority.  

[00:17:27] Unknown:

Out of the North, but you cannot take the North out of the less. Is that right?  

[00:17:32] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. So,   and   I   I couldn't get into, I couldn't get a pupillage, and it was bizarre because as I said, I was, I was a very good student, and I used to get side with glances from   judges and and lawyers and things, and I I didn't really understand why.   And it wasn't until actually two decades later that I understood why. Mhmm.   But I wanted to do human rights and social justice   and couldn't get in. Ended up in a criminal set.   I started a pupillage in a criminal set, did about six months, and I was out because   during that time,   I bore witness to the horrendous,   environments that people who have been charged with,   criminal offenses,   are are, you know, subjected to. Going down to, the old courts and the magistrates courts.  

And they have, these,   I mean, it's like, I suppose, going into, the London Dungeons, but they're real. You know?   And it's it smells of urine and people are in tiny little cages and it's just disgusting.   And this is before they've even been found guilty, you know. And there were all these,   young barristers and and lawyers with their, you know, with their posh suits and their   suitcase with all their books and notepads and all the rest of it in, taking notes behind the bars,   of these,   poor creatures,   and it just made me feel ill.  

[00:19:02] Unknown:

It almost sounds Dickensian, doesn't it? It was. It was totally fine. That differentiation   between   the scum and those who are not the scum. Yeah?  

[00:19:13] Unknown:

Yeah. It totally was, and I just wasn't comfortable with it at all.   And it was it's really hard taking a statement from somebody when their face is kind of split up by bars.   And,   one day, I asked if I asked if they could take this guy out so that I could speak to him at a table, And they thought that was really funny. Everyone started laughing.   And, and I just knew I it was just awful. And then one of my first cases,   where I was,   I had my master, which is the sort of, you know, the head honcho of the chambers.   Mhmm. And,   it was a rape case. And, we were representing the rape   rapist, and   I could see from the evidence that he was guilty.  

And I just it just made me really ill. I've just thought I can't do this because, obviously,   there are always two sides to every story, but   there's a line where you go, yeah.   No. The evidence was just overwhelming.   And,   my,   master was saying to me, well,   you know, you're gonna do this and you're gonna do that. Telling me, how it was all gonna go.   And, and I said, I can't I can't go in there. I can't I can't I can't I just can't defend this guy.   And, he said, well, you will. You'll do as you're told. And, you know, he sort of marched me off to the court. And,   I just remember opening the doors and the the first,   the first individual that I saw was the woman who had been raped. Right. And, you know, she was this pathetic little fragile woman,   with mouthy blonde hair and glasses. And I just I just closed the door and walked, and that was my last day at the bar. I just couldn't do it, you know? No. So,  

[00:20:52] Unknown:

I really I Were you were you expecting to sort of have that response in yourself? Had you thought about that beforehand, or was this just like No. Well it just hit you?  

[00:21:01] Unknown:

I I well, no. I didn't. I I   am I,   being a northerner,   I have, I have, an inherent naivety,   and and and honesty,   to my being. And so,   I,   passionate believed that what I had been taught was correct.   100%.   I was totally brainwashed.   But at the same time, my gut was telling me something different,   and that's what I was struggling with.   Mhmm.   And, there was also, of course, moments where I understood   that I could   there's something quite egotistical   about the idea that somebody could have committed a crime   and that you could get them off it. You know? There's there's something quite,   addictive   about that. And I think that a lot of, barristers, certainly the ones that act for criminals,   they get, you know, they get a high off it. It's it's like getting away with it on behalf of the client type thing. Yeah. And they're not liable they're not liable if it all goes wrong for the lie on the care. No. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. They did. Yeah.  

So,   I went back to university.   I thought I would become a lecturer,   and, I started doing a master's   in international law.   And, and then something,   shocking happened. I had   two sons at that time or male three, actually.   And, one of my sons,   was five, and, he was at a play park.   And, it was a stay and play place for the summer holidays.   And, and he did he was only there three days, and it was just there was something really odd about what was going on there.   And, and he had a love bites on his body, and I completely freaked out being a lawyer and, you know, and all that. So I called,   London Metropolitan Police and reported it. And I said, I want the park investigating. I want this I want this,   lad investigating. He was 16 or 17. He was a young, you know, lad working at this park.  

And,   the result of that was I had all three of my,   young boys removed from my care.  

[00:23:16] Unknown:

Purely for making the inquiry.  

[00:23:18] Unknown:

That's correct. For well, I it was I was reporting a crime. Yeah. And it was because the park was a local authority Park,   and it was the time of the, Baby P case   and at that time if those listening can remember,   the social services and GPs and everyone involved were absolutely   slaughtered   And this was a backlash. So they were taking thousands   of children into care for nothing.   And I was warned by the police, and and looking back on it, they were trying to actually help me. They said to me, just leave it. Just leave it. And because I was a lawyer,   I was like, I I will not. I want justice. I want this investigating.  

You know? Yeah.   And so I pushed I pushed and pushed. And the and the impact was,   on me and my sons.   So   I, they told me that I'd made the whole thing up and that I was, psychosic.   I went I had to have two psychiatric exams. I had to do parenting,   courses,   all sorts of things.   And they were in the care system for seven months while,   while I jumped through hoops. Now at the time, remember, I'm totally brainwashed, and I think that all this is right. So I'm just in a state of guilt feeling that I've done something terribly wrong.   Mhmm. And,   and so I did everything. I was I was what I now perceive as a good little slave.  

I got all my sons back. There were no orders.   Believe it or not, the psychiatric report said I was perfectly normal,   though somewhat,   eccentric, well, would be with a theatrical background.   And, you know, they were dropped off as if they never took them just like that. Boom.   And hated law,   completely,   disrupted my masters, so I never completed it. I never wanted to do anything to do with law ever ever again. Hated it. Hated it. Hated it.   And,   so spent the next kind of decade plus of my life as an entrepreneur, set up a cleaning business, organic cleaning business that was very successful,   wrote a book,   moved from London to Devon to finish my book. And then I think around that time,   COVID,   hit.  

And, 2020  

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then. We're up to about 2020. Yep. Yeah. And,  

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I   I got into a bit of a   an argument with the local council over   travel,   passes for my sons.   And,   I just thought, you know what? I'm can I swear on your show?  

[00:25:59] Unknown:

You can't f.  

[00:26:01] Unknown:

Oh, right. You want to say I'm gonna say I'm You could do it after 09:00. If you want to store them all up, you could let them all go after 09:00. I'm gonna say I'm gonna I'm gonna use the word funked. I was funked off. Right? Yes.  

[00:26:14] Unknown:

I quite like that. That's very good. I like that. Did you like that? Yeah. We quite like that.  

[00:26:19] Unknown:

Okay. So,   so, basically,   I   happened upon this chap in Canada called John Little.   And,   John Little,   taught me something called sui jures, which is the law of I.   And,   John has about seven kids. I've never met him in person.   Only ever spoke to him, you know, like, I'm talking to you now. Mhmm. But this guy,   he took the, you know, he, he took the blindfold off.   And, wow,   when he explained to me,   about the,   if you understand the legal fiction, the mister, the miss, the miss,   the surname,   and   and and and the slave system that we are all currently in. Yes. I was   I I was absolutely,   shocked and   just   but at the same time, absolutely   clear.  

Everything just suddenly dropped into place. You know? I had three beautiful sons.   I was causing a little bit of problem ten ten years or so   earlier. And, of course, they'd want to take my sons because they could sell them, couldn't they? They could have them adopted. They could put them into foster care. Three beautiful boys. Yeah.   And, I suddenly saw everything completely   and utterly different to what I have perceived it to be. Right.   And from that point, really, I became   I I believe that   I was, it was it was like a spiritual awakening for me.   And I realized that if I had been subject to all of that tyranny,   the chances are that I wasn't the only one,   and that I had a duty,   knowing,   the legalese   like I did because I've been legally trained, and then starting to comprehend the lawful side of law,   that I had to,   do everything possible to alert people.  

And that's what I started doing. So you you began, like,  

[00:28:24] Unknown:

an education   self education process part two,   really, on the, let's say, the right side   of things now. That's alright. Now Yeah. The veil had been removed, and you're suddenly going, oh, this is the real stuff that underpins it that they've been using to abuse us. And so you've been in that space, I guess, for the last five years or so, four or five years. Yeah? Yeah.  

[00:28:47] Unknown:

Yeah.   I've tried to I've tried to escape it once because it's hard. You know, we're in a war here, and and there's no mistake about that. We're we're completely in a war.   And, and, of course, a lot of people have no idea that we're in a war.   And,   yeah, I   it's hard. It's it's,   it's just shocking what's going on.   And   I think   that I was so raw when I started to get this knowledge, and I've read many, many books. I mean, I've crikey. I mean, I've studied so so so many things, including what I'm doing now, you know, researching and reviewing other people's work and just everything.   But   what I did is I started,   I created,   a court.  

It's called a community law court.  

[00:29:38] Unknown:

Now let's just stop there. How do you Okay. I'm just gonna ask a naive question.   How do you create a court? It's a word, isn't it? You just said the word. Yeah. And, of course, when you say the word court, we think of buildings and things like this.   But what does what what did that process involve? I'm gonna create a court, you you said to yourself, and off you went and did it. What what did you do then? How did you create it?  

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Yeah. Well,   you know, as as everyone,   who's listening can imagine, nothing's ever quite as simple as that. I I happened across,   I think there were three lovely, lovely ladies who'd all been   burnt, let's call it burnt by the system,   one way or the other, you know.   And we came together, and we used to meet once a week.   And,   and we discussed how we could, get remedy for for the wrongs that we had all been subjected to.   And I took somewhat the lead on that just because I've I had a legal and then lawful background.   And as the thing,   developed and evolved to the point where we thought we could have our first trial by jury,   they all kind of backed out of it. And,  

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and I was left sort of on my own. Now did they back out because they I'm assuming they just didn't have us any sense or any kind of experience with regards to   sup supposed lawful processes. I mean, even as you're saying it to me, I'm knowing I would find that an alien idea. Look, Paul. We're just gonna do a court next week around the back of the bike sheds. It must have been quite a thing for them. They wouldn't have had any way  

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you know.  

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Well, let we've been meeting up at each other's houses over   about   six weeks or more. Okay. Yeah. There have been long discussions. It it was a build up, and it there was agreements all around, and, people took on different roles.   One one of the ladies was was very good at building websites, so she started   creating some sort of semblance of a website.   Somebody else was a former accountant. You know? So,   there was everyone had designated roles and it and it wasn't,   it wasn't sort of something that that just, you know, was was created overnight. It was something that had a genuine buildup, and we discussed whose cases we would do and how we would go about doing it. And there was a lot of discussion,   and there was a plan. But I think what happened, and I think that this is what we're struggling with even now,   is that   we,   when when we have to take accountability,   for something that seems so much bigger   and,   is more powerful in terms of resources   than ourselves. Mhmm.  

Fear comes in.   And the closer we get to action,   the more the fear comes in.   And   I think that my theatrical backgrounds,   I'm used to being in action. That's what actors and actresses do. You know, they move. You know, they move around the stage.   Whereas,   these women,   were used to   a designated   kind of area of expertise,   possibly sitting more and using their head, which I know you will relate to because you and I were talking about. But,   you know that chap who, did the TED talk   the other day? You were talking  

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Yeah. I don't I don't know I don't know if listeners are familiar with sir Ken Robinson.   I ought to,   I ought to Sir Ken Robinson. Sir Ken. He I I looked him up, you know, he he actually passed away in 02/2020, which was a great disappointment to me. He died at the age of 17. Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah. Why? He said cancer, so I don't think it was he he'd been struggling with it for some time. But,   there's a speech that he gave at a TED talk about 2012   or something like that. It's twenty minutes long. It's one of the funniest   and most informative twenty minutes you can ever spend. Maybe some of you are familiar with it. But he's it's absolutely marvelous. It's, I I have a a cousin who,   was in the   training. He's over in Toronto. I think he's retired now, but he's over in Canada. He he's the sort of guy that gets up he was a sort of sales motivational speaker for hundreds of Pepsi Cola reps. He He sent me a photograph once where he was actually sort of revving up about a thousand of them in this hall somewhere in the middle of America. Right? He's a bit of a he's an actor like you. He's got a very   strong thespian aspect to him. Actually, he's got Tourette's. I'm serious. He's got Tourette's syndrome.  

And he's managed to sort of handle it and, it it's given him a kind of an explosive energy. But I showed I showed him   the Ken Robinson thing and he said, this is just amazing. And it will it is. It's a wonderful thing. We'll dig it out. Well, I'll I'll have to play it sometime on the show. It's too long to put in here because it's twenty minutes and it could take over completely. But it it's it's a brilliant communication. I think the key point he's saying is about valuing creativity.   There's a great line where he says about school systems and he's saying,   we've strip mined people in the same way that we take resources out of the earth for for one particular commodity, which is we call intelligence.  

He said, and that's the way the whole system is built. Wherever you go around the world, the public school systems are built on mathematics and languages and sciences   all the way down. He said, and nowhere is dance this is very interesting when you were talking about movement there. He said, nowhere is dance placed anywhere. And he said, why not?   Why isn't this? He said, people like to move. Look at us. When you're children, we all move around. It's all skipping around. I know all the blokes are oh, our toes are curling. Oh, good grief. Don't remind me of that. But it's true. There's a sort of natural sort of spring and life in you. And,   the great anecdote he told, I don't know if you saw it, about, for Gillian Lynne,   which was absolutely amazing because,   I'll just tell you this one, sort of paraphrase it very simple for those of you haven't heard it. Gillian Lynne's a choreographer   and she's responsible for cats and things like this.  

Hardly anybody, I think, at the time even knew her. Maybe her name is new or new. But when she was young,   she was a fidget at school.   He talks about this and that that would be in the nineteen thirties, I think so. I think it was nineteen thirties he was saying.   And he said,   if if they had her today they'd probably say she had ADHD,   but they couldn't give it to them because it's not a condition that had been created at that point. They didn't they couldn't actually ascribe it to her, you know. And, one day her mother brings her in to see   a teacher and that   her mum's explaining   to the teacher all the problems that Jillian's having at school.  

And he's listening and he comes over to said, 'look me and your mum are gonna go into this room. We need to talk about a couple things. You just stay here   and we'll be back in a few minutes.' And as he walked out of the room, he turned the radio on   and he and,   they came out of the room and he turned to her mother, he said, just watch.   And they looked back into the room   and Gillian Lyn had just stood up immediately   and begun dancing.   And he he turned to her mother and he said he said,   he said, Jillian Jillian's not,   it's not that Jillian's a problem child. He said, she's a dancer.  

It's just the most fantastic thing. She's a dancer. You need to take her to dance school.   And Ken Robinson had spoken to me and said, and I asked her what that was like and she said it was absolutely amazing   that they took her to this dance school and she learned tap and ballet. I know this is a thing for certainly for most blokes to find very difficult to relate to, but it's definitely part of the culture even though it's a off there somewhere, you know, it doesn't get too much prominence in our culture these days. But she learned all these different skill sets and he said to what was it like? She said it was absolutely amazing.   She just changed my childhood.  

I I was with everybody was moving around. I was with people, she said, who had to move to think.   It's just amazing thought. They had to move to think. And and he was saying Yeah. Creativity   is this thing and he said we're educated out of it. And I actually, there was another clip I heard from him. They have all these charts for measuring   your ability to be creative. And when we're all three to five, it's off the charts. But what happens is is that the education system, of course, shuts or puts tram lines in. Many people conform to that and then you end up with this kind of hive system, which of course we're all battling against most of our lives from that point onwards. But anyway, there you go. I hogged the mic a little bit. But,  

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anyway, where where were we? Thank you. Thank you for that. Well well, in a nutshell,   what that chap was saying to my understanding   was that   professors,   and what what the education system   aspires to   only use their heads.   They literally   their body,   just become,   something that carries their head around.  

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A transport mechanism for taking their head to meetings, I think he said. That's it.  

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And so I think what happened with these,   wonderful women   is that they were in that space. I was ready to to move   and take those steps,   and they just couldn't. They were quite happy to sit around and talk about it and make notes   and,   quite happy to reflect over it and come up with great ideas and build websites and do all the, the technical   things. But when it came to actually standing it up,   they just,   they just couldn't do it. And,   interestingly, some of them went off and went back into the legal system   and, lost even more money and wasted even more time.   And, in the meantime,   I,   took over the, community law court because it was my title in creation anyway.  



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The community law court. Yeah. The community law court. Yeah. And that's what? 02/2122,  

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something like that? No. I think it was earlier than that. I think the first I I can't remember exactly, but I I think the first court was possibly   in '21,   I think.   So   I,   basically,   I I just made things happen very, very quickly,   and I'd started,   doing paperwork for people across the country.   I I didn't   really   understand   how powerful I was, to be honest.   And there were things happening like,   courts were shutting down,   because of my work.   The police were coming in and filling public galleries if people had my paperwork in their hands and was reading it out. Mhmm.   The   it was across the country as well because,   I have and I think I hope that Neil's   listening to the show just now,   but Neil,   Neil Feinsilver   joined me as an assistant,   and, and he was a great help to me and my son Darcy.  

And we basically,   ran the community law court. So it was just it was just a joke because we're getting phone calls from people all over the country desperate, you know, for help. And For justice? It was,   yeah. And it was, at times, it was quite full on.   And, Neil is,   Neil's done the knowledge, and he's a brilliant driver.   So, we'd we'd we'd be going off, you know. We we we did, courts in different parts of the country for   family court and just just different things. And there was there was no,   there were no obstacles in the way. We just got on and did it.   And,   we had,   what I realized   through,   we so we put up public notices in the area where we were convening the courts.  

We would invite the people that the,   that was the,   that that should be defending the claim. It didn't matter if they didn't show up. That was their choice. I mean, it's just like you get a summons. A summons is an invitation to court.   You don't have to go. Right? And, if you don't go, then, obviously, they can do they can make of that what they want. And in the same way, a trial by jury,   can do the same.   And so,   we I started serving public notices on the council.   I served an eviction notice   on the Exeter Law Courts,   in Devon.  

There were hundreds and hundreds of police vehicles and terrorist police and   all sorts of things. I mean, it's crazy because all I was doing was delivering a bit of paper to the court. So when you say for example, when you just said then you served a public notice on a council,  

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what what specifically   was that? Or can you say? I don't know. What what would that Well well, it was it was yeah. Well, it was,  

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it was, a claim that I made against them with regards to harm that they caused myself and my sons   as a result of them, them not, being willing to provide my sons with transport to education.  

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Right.  

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So,   I I I think that the actual topic is less significant, but the process is is very significant. Yes. Because what we had is we put out notices publicly   for people to,   participate,   in this trial by jury.   We invited,   the leaders of the council.   Everything was done just as just as you would find in a proper court apart from we didn't wear silly wigs and black coats. No? Oh, how disappointing. No. And we weren't using codes, acts, and statutes.   And,   the law   public law   is made by the trial by jury. I don't know what the law is. Only a trial by jury can tell. Tell me what the law is because they create the law. That is real public law. That is customary law, and that may be even perceived as being common law. I don't like to use the word common law because the legal system has bastardized the word and,   treats it as, judge made law, which is, usually one old crony who,   you know, who's, full of ego and wants everyone to believe that everything he says is absolutely correct, and therefore, everyone has to follow his lead. Well, that's not common law.  



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They tend to throw it in, don't they? They tend to throw in common law when they're describing what they've just done as if that makes it to sort of appease a certain part of the of the listening audience. I I heard it the other day and it's this and it's that and it's under common law. And I'm going, yeah, but you don't enact that. It's just almost like a   a bit of window dressing that they actually put over to sort of keep everybody. Oh, then it must be okay and based in the roots of this, that, and the other. But they don't apply it at all. It doesn't mean anything. It's just a sort of bit of truth that they  

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That's it. They steal they steal our words. They steal our words all the time.   And that's and that's a lot of the things that are going on now is wordplay. It's all word trickery,   and that's that's really important for people to understand what what's that word mean. I'll give you an example. The word registration.   Whenever you see whenever you are required to register something,   you're transferring title.   And the first thing we do when we have a beautiful newborn baby   is take it off to register it. Well, there you go. You've just handed your baby over to the state.  

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Right? So Can you, can you deregister your babies?  

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Can they do Yeah. Well, kind of. I mean,   so just to kind of just to sort of   finish   this Yes. Sorry. The the the community law court thing off. Yeah. So that that's not sort of open ended. Basically,   what people really need to understand   is the power of a trial by jury,   the power   of the people coming together   and creating the law.   And,   I want to talk about the the variable levels of success   because they have been variable.   Mhmm. And the reason that they're variable well, certainly, in the case of the community law court, the reason that it was variable at the time   is that,   in effect, it was me, Neil, and my son, Darcy.  

Can you imagine? It's crazy. And we were convening cases   all over the country. It was us.   And it was good. It was very good work. But the results were variable. And there were other people that helped us, don't get me wrong, on the tech side, you know, people that   live streamed and and, of course, all the jury members. And there were lots of other people involved, but I'm saying that the administration   of that court was done by   by my son Darcy,   my friend Neil, and me. Right?   And so what we lacked is we had no we we had the structure of the court, but it didn't sit within anything.   And   and although we had lots of support,   people came in and out as and when they,   were involved,   which is completely normal. Yeah. Mhmm.  

And so the powers that be   were somewhat   concerned   about what I was up to, but at the same time,   slightly   somewhat reassured   because they knew   that I didn't have,   I didn't have it didn't have consistent, backing   from anyone or anything   because it was a fluid and very new   spontaneous   reaction.  

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So they they sort of looked over in your direction and went, okay. Well,   that's of some concern, but not of great concern at the moment because it's not fully organized effectively. That kind of thing. Is that really what they're I believe so. Yeah. Yeah. I think that I think that's I think that's a pretty accurate summary. Yeah. And so  

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but I I really caused Mary help in Devon.   I mean, all of the pals that be in Devon know exactly who I am,   and in other parts of the country.   And so for one woman,   I,   you know, I I caused   a huge disruption to their system.   And that's how I know   the power of a trial by jury. Because in effect, it wasn't me.   All I did was create a title,   and all I did was invite people to participate   in action in something.   And they did. And the result was incredibly powerful   such that they came out in force   and hammered   me,   absolutely   hammered me and my family.  

And so   at the time, I had no I I didn't fully understand   the nature of the beast.   But now, obviously, again,   I didn't realize that what I was doing was so powerful.   You see, you know, sometimes we take actions. Right? And we and we don't really fully get what we've done until we're in the impact. Right? And that is part of our that is, I believe, part of,   the reason that we're here. Because if we're not here for that reason, then what the hell are we doing here? There there can't be any other reason but to make mistakes and to do you know what I mean? Not not I mean, not stupid, but but sort of   test things out and see what happens. All entrepreneurs,   you know, all creative people, if they don't if they don't push the boundaries,   you know, then then they can't expand. They can't we we don't create anything. You know, it's coming back to the children, the the three year olds, how creative they are and how that gets knocked out of us. Well, that's purposefully done because if we're creative, they can't keep us in our box. They can't keep us enslaved,   and we wouldn't be in the pickle that we're in now. Right? Yeah. But because   our creativity   has been bashed out of us, and I I was one of the lucky ones that I went I during my school years, I was allowed to,   express myself. I was the, you know, the quirky kid at school, the creative, the the drama,   queen, whatever you wanna call  

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it. So I didn't have that. You don't get stage fright. You don't get stage fright. Right? Yeah. Or if you do, you know how to contain it and deal with it, and you accept it as part and parcel of the process. Right?   I mean, when you were selecting a jury, the jury selections, the the juries, how did you go about was there some criteria,   some kind of, you know, I don't know, framework for going who's gonna be on the jury? Do you just go out and find people at the chip shop or I didn't I didn't go out and find anyone.  

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Right. I don't select the jury. Yeah.   They select themselves.   So, basically,   there was notice put out.   Everyone and anyone was invited. And when people came through the door,   we would basically make an announcement. Okay. Look. We need 12, jury members. Would anyone like to be on the jury?   And people who wouldn't like to be on the jury can sit in the public area and it was just like that. Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. Okay?   And there was,   there was   a sort of   oath, if you like.   There was an agreement,   that everyone who was,   on the jury would do their best to be aligned with each other   and, and reach, a verdict,   to uphold,   the orders or not as the case may be.  

And that was it. It was it it it's such a beautiful   experience to be. I've never been   in a jury trial myself because, obviously, I've been the one that's organized it. You know? Yeah. But watching people come in   with all their with with all their, repression,   that that is on us, the controls,   You see them all there, and you see people nervous and excited at the same time. And then you see them unraveling during the process,   and they really get that it really is down to them.   You know, I am there as an adjudicator.   So my role is to make sure that things are going smoothly,   that people have put forth their evidence, the evidence is on the table,   to encourage the jury trial members to ask questions.  

Everyone on the jury trial has a notepad,   to, oversee their discussions,   when they break for, you know, to make their decisions   and all of that. And you see people just literally   coming alive   during that process.   And by the time it gets to the the head,   a judge, which will have been selected by the jury members,   speaking,   their verdict,   these people are just shining. It's just incredible.   And and all of them,   you know, without   we've never ever had anyone   who has completed jury service,   not be happy.   They've they've they've they've been shaking. They've been excited. They've said they've never had an experience like that before.   They've done jury service in the legal, and it was rubbish.  

Yeah.   They are they are empowered.   They get their power back because they've had to make decisions over often very complex,   cases and, you know, situations.   They've had to,   listen carefully to everybody else in the group.  

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You know, it's just amazing, and it and it was so it was such an incredible Yeah. As you're describing it, I'm getting a sort I'm getting I'm feeling sort of slightly nervous as I'm listening to you. I'm getting a real sense of what it must be like for people to to do it sounds it's not like those wonderfully contained jury things that you see in all the detective things in TV series and stuff like that. Where they're all sat there polishing the nails and they're all a bit bored. Yeah. It's it's like I was just thinking it's like raw law. It's just direct. The people turn up. They're guided. They get together. They go, oh, boy. We're really in charge. I mean, that really comes across as you're describing that.  

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They really It's wonderful. Honestly. Yeah.  

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I'd like to see that. It's beautiful. I would. I wouldn't mind being on a jury. It is something  

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yeah. It is something to see. And, you know, people came from across the country. I mean, that was the wild thing as well is that everything I did I'm really bad at marketing.   And,  

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obviously not.  

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You got at least 12 jurors.   Obviously not.  

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You know? That's what well, yeah, but I have this thing where,   it's it's it's kind of like people just I I say I'm like a magnet. You know? If I do something, people just turn up.   And,   it's nerve wracking because if you've done your marketing, right, if you've done your social media and if you've done your this and your that, you know, you've got some sort of guarantee even if it's not a complete guarantee. You know? Mhmm. But I was just completely flying by the seat of my pants in terms of people showing up.   But they always did, and it always you know, and things always work. And we'd go to different places, and we went to Brighton. We we we we,   convened a trial by jury court in Brighton. We didn't know anybody there. We didn't have any contact. It was just crazy. And we just put the property in I missed out. It's just down the road from me.  



[00:55:06] Unknown:

I do I feel as I've missed the best show in town, the way you're describing it. Well, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's just,  

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really   just amazing how people come together. And it's so different because, obviously,   in the legal system, well, for a start, you're you're you're only a legal fiction. You're not you're not actually well, actually, you're not a legal fiction. You're what's called a natural person   Yeah. Which is,   a legal fiction with, some rights, duties, and obligations.   You're given a level of agency because they want you to do something. They want you to do, what the judge tells you to do, and not what you think   largely.  

So this you know?  

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You can make your own mind up as long as the judge agrees with that. So it goes along with what the judge wants.  

[00:55:51] Unknown:

Exactly.   That that goes yeah. Exactly.   So it's just completely different. You know?   And it's it's super exciting. So what's happening now   in, this country   is that Sue Carr, who's the lady chief justice,   she wants to get rid of all trial by juries.   Boom to Sukar. Yeah. Boom. She wants to get rid of all trial by juries, and her,   and her justification   for doing so   is they have 80,000   criminal case backlog,   and there's absolutely no way that they can get through them. Therefore, they're going to rely on a single judge   who will be,   entitled,   probably not really a judge anyway.  



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Mhmm.  

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And who wants to launder   every man and woman that comes before him on the whole.   It then I mean I mean, that just sounds so fantastic. What could possibly go wrong? What could possibly go wrong with it? Possibly go wrong. Not to what could possibly go wrong. Right? We'll end up with twenty five percent of the population in jail like they have in America.   So,   yeah, scary, scary times. But Wow. The exciting thing about   Sue Carr and her proposition is   that it's she's given us a golden opportunity here.   And that golden opportunity   is for us to   revive   every county   across England   of of which every county   has a wonderful flag   that  

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we know Now you hold on to that. Yeah. Hold on to that because we're in the after the break, we're gonna just take a short musical interlude.   Mhmm. Yeah. It's the top of the hour. We're just getting to the end of the first hour, and I think that's a natural   sort of that's that was just such a am I almost exhausted listening to you? Honestly, that was such Can I can can I ask the audience to do something while we're on? Of course, you can. I don't know whether they'll do it, but but you've asked away. Set them a little task. I'm gonna set them a little task. I want anyone who's listening  

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what county they're in Mhmm. And what their flag looks like. Because I bet there'll be some people watching that do not know, because I didn't know. I didn't even know I was in England. I thought it was in The UK. I'll leave it there.  

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That's a good one. So those of you who are in the rumble chats, hi, everyone. I've been looking, but I've just been so absorbed listening to Hannah. And in the YouTube chats, type away like Billio.   We're gonna take a short break. I'm gonna ask Eric because Eric's just been sat there, probably just his eyes are melting or whatever. So Eric, I'll bring you I'll bring you in after the break. I'm sorry about Okay. Are you okay? Are you okay? My county.  

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Yeah. I know what my Hartford flag is.  

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And then That's good. We got we got to bring that in. We we we're gonna take a little short musical interview from Daniel Bostock. You inspired me, Eric, with your song selection the other day.   This is Britney. Oh, yes. And, I'm I'm here with Hannah Badder. You're listening to, WBN three two four. We'll be back after this short musical interlude and break.  

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And hi everyone and welcome back. The wonderful Daniel Bostock there. I played that before but I play it a lot because it's such a groovy little tune and the lyrics are fantastic. I'm here with Hannah Badder and with Eric von Essex. Eric, how are you doing? You okay?  

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Mustn't grumble. And I've been looking for looking for the art for sheer flag on the main, avenue that you got for the show. And it's not on there, I don't think.  

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Oh. Because it's Oh, look. It's a state. Well, that's a rich that's a mistake. We we put it together as quickly as we could, but we will get into all the flags, I think, in this second half. There've been a few people commenting   in the thing. Norfolk says, Stephen.   It's fifth from the bottom right. Well done. That's fantastic. You can find the Hertfordshire one.   And Gary,   over in YouTube says, hi Gary. Says Warwickshire. Crikey. I don't even know.   He doesn't even know.   Of course,   Hannah being a Yorkshireman. I know that ours is the dirty great white rose right in the middle of the flag and but I'm down in Sussex. We have, I think it's three birds that Sussex has. Although, they have a different flag for West Sussex   over East Sussex.  

So I've been in both of the Sussexes today. I'm currently in the West, but I was in the East earlier this morning.   So there we go. And I have to tell you, after we we talked the other day with regards to flags, and we're gonna get into this flag thing. This is bringing it right down into sort of, you know, right onto the high street. We we've got a couple of really pretty nice avenues here in this little town.   One's actually called Grand Avenue. And I suppose for a little seaside town, it is pretty grand. It's about the road's about   from house to house is probably about a 120   feet wide. It's pretty big, you know. And it it was it's obviously a street that was done probably the late eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds. It's got these many of these sort of fine old Victorian Edwardian houses still there that are looking grand. Of course, they've knocked a few down and put up the,   usual square blocks of flats, the sorts of things that drive me and Eric and many of our listeners crazy, this sort of monolithic, you know, brutalist architecture. So, unfortunately, they've wrecked a bit of it. But as I was walking up there the other day after our conversation, I'm looking at this and I'm thinking,   good grief. If we had a flag   fluttering in every single one of these gardens at the end, it's gonna change it. And just to let you on a personal level, I'm in the process of,   trying to stop my son with a chainsaw wreck all the trees. We've got to trim all these trees down in our garden. But I'm looking at them and I'm thinking, okay.  

I need a flag on each of the three corners because we're on a corner plot. So I'm getting all flaggy after I've talked to you. I'm getting very flaggy in my head. So  

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let's talk Sorry, Paul. Yeah. I'm wrong. I'm wrong. It's Yeah. Top right second in. I'm terribly sorry. It's my fault. Yes. It's top right second in. It's the stag in a shield with the wavily waggly lines, but you haven't got, but although isn't a county, the Fockem flag there. So there we go. No. Well, it's a separate country. It is. Well, we'll just have to get the Fockem County flag. Yeah. It is. The Fockem Hall flag, of course, will will have to flutter in the breeze somewhere if that's the correct  

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phrase for it. We'll have to get it fluttering. A bit of a fucking flutter. Yeah. Absolutely. We've got to get that sorted out. It's, it's an unusual flag. It's a pair of bloomers. Is it really? Yes. That's the fucking flag. You salute to a pair of bloomers. Yeah. It's got a picture of Kenneth Williams on it grinning, going not half or whatever. It's all nitrene.   It's a typical English county flag. They are wonderful. Look, there someone wrote early on as well, it's great to see the English flag, which is the white dragon. If anybody wants to go and do a search, you find out an ancient Anglo Saxon flag, the white dragon.  

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Yeah. It is. I thought it was Welsh. I absolutely love it.  

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Oh, they have a Welsh star. Green.  

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Yeah. Yeah. The green They're red on green, aren't they? Their dragon's red on green,   and ours is white.   White dragon. Yes. Yes. Yeah.  

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Love it. Absolutely love it. Can I just say, Eric, your bloomers would be your family crest for Fockem Hall?  

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That would be your family crest. So yeah.  

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Yes. You have That's a good idea. Have your  

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you can have your family flag, and then you can have your county flag, and then you can have your English flag. So you can have three flags all flying at the same time.  

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And mine costs half a nigger, you know? You can have a half a flag and you can fight for half a nigger. I mean, and if I wanted to be a sort of South Coast embassy for Fockemall, you could I could get a Fockemall flag and we could, you know, we could say that we're an embassy out here down here on the South Coast for you and everything. That's right. That's right. Yes. Excellent. That'd be good, wouldn't it? But the thing is, when we rode into battle years ago,  

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we had the,   coat of arms, didn't we? And and the crests as as their That's that's it. Yep. Yeah. That's a good idea. I like that. Well, that don't you think that they instantaneously  

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switch so many circuits on the flags?   And, you know, we talked about it here not in any one particular program, but there's that phrase that symbolism will be their downfall. You know, they've buried a lot of their lies.   Sorry. They buried a lot of their lies in symbols expecting you to not figure it out. It's like a hidden language that they put in coats of arms and everywhere, but   the symbolism is it's key because it's so fast to sort of switch circuits on in your head and in your heart particularly. And, you know, with the battle flags, it's synonymous with staying alive,   literally. I mean, if you didn't rally around the flag in the past where the rest of your mates were, you ran a very strong winds of getting hacked down, you know, you as you tried to Try it. It was about Yeah. You you had to get there.  

You had and you had to defend the flag because it's a signal going out across the battlefield. I often used to think about this. I mean, with modern warfare, they've got telecommunications. Suppose everybody calls each other up on their mobile phone and go, hey, say, Larry, we're getting shot at over here or whatever they say, you know, but in the old days, there was none of that. Right? There's none of that. Right?   And there's just And everyone being shot at. Yeah. Imagine it. You're in a field. There's there's 25,000   men hacking pieces at one another. If you can't see that flag, you're gonna. You've gotta see it. That's why they used to hold it up. You go, you've gotta have it over here because we don't know what we're doing. Otherwise, we're all lost. So it's Yes. It's terribly  

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fired. So it's alright. You know? Terribly sorry. We just shot you. Sorry. You know? Sorry about that. Yeah.   Sorry. Got the giggles tonight.   But what about I've had an idea. Strictly. What about   what about selling a bandana?   Which wrap around your head like the Absolutely. Japanese do. Love it. So when you go into cult Mhmm. You put your bandana   with your county sign on the front.   Mhmm. Wrap it around. You think how intimidating   that will be?   Very intimidating.  

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There I mean, there's a lot to it. So We've done some of that. We've done some of that. Yeah. We've mentioned we've got a national flag,  

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which is the white dragon, which is just fantastic that it taps into all the old stuff. I love that. It's really, really good.  

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And it's Kids would love the kids would love the dragon because it reminds them of Harry Potter. And regardless of what you think about Harry Potter and the Lord of the Rings and that kind of thing,   We've got to appeal to the offspring, the younger generation. We we we want them to get involved   in this,   you know, in this   reconvening to land and   And we start with the flags, and we start with   creativity.   And the the dragon flag is just such an exciting flag.   I definitely would have one of those flying in my garden.  

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I'm What about national anthem, though? Because we're gonna need a new one without royalty.  

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And I was thinking of the goons. Are we? The, Are we getting rid of royalty, are we, Eric? When did that happen? Are we getting rid of them? Are they going? Well, when I become, when I'm, when I become the overall  

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dictator I mean, leader,   yes. They will be going. Yes.   So,   it won't have Charles the turd there. No.  

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No. No.  

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We we'll find out who is the descendant of Harold because he's buried quite close to where I live. Harold, apparently,   Allegedly in Waltham Abbey.   So Harold, you know, so we find out his relatives.   I mean, you must have had relatives. So we find out who's the descendants of them. It's probably some bloke who's a lavatory attendant or something. Yeah. Oh, no. We don't have a lavatory attendants now. It could be,   could be missus missus Ethelbert up in up in sort of Tyneside or somewhere who's a direct descendant.   So she'd be the queen.  



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So so including Fockem, we well, we've got 39 counties, and then we've got the Principality Of Fockem or whatever it might be next week, because it might be something else next week, which is fine. It's got a fluid sort of status, which we don't mind. So we've we've got county flags.   We've   got family   flag.   Mhmm. And and we've got a West. Yeah. We've got the flag of England.   That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Not The United Kingdom because   there is   no. We don't have that. No? No. No.   We don't have it, do we?  

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No. Would you like to know why?  

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Yes. Hannah. We would like to know why. Hannah, we would like to know why. Please tell.  

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Oh, god. Right. Okay. Don't quote me on this because, you know, I'm I'm only a lowly workwoman from the North. But,   well, to my understanding,   I have been looking at the amazing work   of a lady called Anna Von Ritz and her team.   And,   I've learned lots and lots from her. She's got a   well, it it it looks like a book, but it's not a book that you can buy. It's a sort of PDF that,   was printed out for me to read.   And,   she,   is talking a lot about America   and, their situation. However,   a lot of the things that she talks about can be,   you know, sort of,   interpreted to situation   here.  

Right. And so   what I learned from this amazing woman and her team is that   The UK   is a political   union.   It is not a landmass.   And so there is no   land   called the The UK,   or even called The United Kingdom.   It is nothing more than a political   union.   So anyone who thinks that they're in The UK   or they've spent their life living in The UK,   they they have been they've spent their whole life   believing that they live somewhere that in fact they do not live because they live on England   or Ireland or Scotland or Wales or, you know, whichever,   country,   that they were,   born on or whichever country that they,   are living on.  

And,   this is clearly,   absolutely ridiculous situation   where,   The UK,   corporation   have tried are trying, actually,   to   foreclose   on the land   of I'm gonna just focus on England for the moment because, you know, that's that's where I am. Mhmm. But they're trying to what they're trying to do is, they're they're in in legal terms. They're in adverse possession,   which means that because they've brainwashed us all into thinking that we live in The UK   and that we're   UK citizens,   which,   we are, but that's something that needs to be   sorted,   they,   what they're aiming to do is   absorb   England   and then,   make it their land, really, and take it from us.  

That's the,   the the the plan.   Mhmm.   And every time   somebody goes to register   their newborn, their little bouncing bundle of joy,   when they do you remember I said earlier the word registration,   transfer of title?   Yeah.   So so when you're born   on a land,   you are naturally entitled   to a share of the land   and mineral rights to that land. And I would assert that about three acres wouldn't be an unreasonable amount   to be given   to that newborn, for that newborn one day to build a house,   to grow some veg, to have some animals,   and to share the natural mineral rights of this beautiful country.  

Now through the process of birth registration,   we transfer   those land rights   to   a mixture   of the monarch   and the governments of the day.   And in exchange,   the,   the people who do the registration   take the birth certificate to   a treasury, which is any bank   acting as a treasury.   And they roughly I I reckon they get about a million pounds,   for the, birth registration document.   And they're told that they have to pay that money back. So they go and invest it on the stock market,   in our in our similar titles.   And then when they've made the million pounds, they give the money back,   and that million pounds   is the crumbs of our estate.  

So our NHS,   our education,   our,   prisons, our everything   comes out of those out of those digits, that that million quid that that came back.   And   that is a very poor deal   because I have no doubt that that, let's say, three acres of land   would be far more,   valuable   than digits, especially given   since 1933,   we came off the gold standard,   and we're using debt notes   issued by the Federal Reserve,   which has no value   other than   what we give it.   So it's a very bad deal that we've got.   And   not only that, but   because it's   but because we've registered   to this UK corporation,   we are considered   employees   of it.  

And that then   minimizes   our rights,   gives us duties and obligations,   and,   makes us basically enslaved by whatever the government of the day happens to be.   And the monarch's laughing all the way to the bank because   that's how the monarch owns so much of the land. Because every time we register a baby,   we've just handed over   our portion of the land   to a combination   of the monarch   and,   and this government   to,   to manage   without really our consent or agreement because we were not given full disclosure.  

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This process of   denying people   land,   did it not begin   with the arrival of William the conqueror?   Was that the beginning of that process? Because he said,   did he not, all this land's mine. I'm having it now. It's all mine.   And did they use the term crown property   at that point? Is that what it is? Yeah.  

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I mean, I can't I'm sure you're you're absolutely right. And, ultimately,   anyone who gives themselves a title that they are king,   they are, all of that all of all of that they have done   is they've come in with with,   a a gang and taken over land and claimed it as their own. Right?   And, you know, and since then, they've become more sophisticated because, obviously, as we've got,   well,   I can't really say more educated because I don't know if that's actually correct. But Yeah. As we've become, let's say, more aware   of our rights and more and more,   more demanding of equality,   it would have got more and more difficult for them to sustain   their theft of   land,   their greed,   for taking more land than they could possibly ever use.  

And so the mechanisms   by which they have,   robbed us of the land   have become,   more sophisticated.   And the one that they're using at the moment is, fantastic   because it's kept us all in bonded slavery,   for a very long time.   I'm not quite sure how long, but if you look at there's an act called the Seskevy Act. That's 1666.  

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That year. They love their numbers. Yes. We know about the Seskevy Act. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. And it coincided with the burning of the city of London, and they loved that too. Said. I would love to see it. Nicely.   It coincided with it coincided with the most amazing new plans for London just spontaneously arriving just a couple of months afterwards to relay out the entire grid of the city along masonic lines. But this is all coincidental nonsense that I'm saying. Very coincidental. That's it. Yeah.  

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And of course, prior to that,   all births, deaths, and marriages had been registered in the in the, parishes.   So everything was going to the Vatican.  

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So even before that Yay. Vatican.  

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Other yeah. The other people were getting, you know, whatever we were entitled to, which is why they had all the poor houses because, you know, we we we have nothing.   But then as as we've come up, you know,   through, you know, over the the hundreds of years and, you know, through the system, and we've become more aware that, hold on a minute. This isn't quite fair. It is it? And, you know, more perhaps expecting of our share.   I don't know if you recall, but they used to be sayings like you're worth your weight in gold.   Mhmm. Yep. So when we were on the gold standard, when there was still gold around, we would actually be worth our weight in gold.  

So if you were a seven pound born baby, you you ought to have got seven pounds worth of gold. That's a lot of money. How much how much Eric, how much did you weigh at birth? Got any idea? How much we how much did you weigh?  

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I haven't the foggiest idea. I know I was there, but I can't really, you know, but I I I I can't say I can remember much about it. I'm sure I was about three stone. I must be owed loads.  

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That's   a lot. I don't think you would be that big. Oh, I think so. No. I was about thirty pounds. Oh, I was over. I was nauseous. No. So I'm sure if we look at the records, we'll find out. I'm owed tons. Oh, I got Yeah. Where all No. I was ditty. I think I was very ditty.   Well, what we've I mean, as an aside Orlando. As an aside on the gold thing, Hannah,   we there's a little the, they've got this technology. You know, there's always this perception about gold that there's not much of it about or that they give you a figure in the world, but   it's it's off the charts, the amount of gold that there is. It's absolutely there's colossal   amounts of it in in and around I think it's Thailand.  

Thailand has got is just about I've heard this. Yeah. Four or 5,000   islands and they have this technology called   is it lidar or something? It's a scanning technology from satellites that can beam into the earth. It measures the frequency coming back and they can detect mineral deposits. So, you know, mining companies are using it for this that and that makes complete sense.   Apparently, in Thailand, the amount of gold is trillions of tons.   Trillions. There's just ton there's so much of but of course, they couldn't they they don't want to bring it back out because it's gonna go back into this warped system   which you're describing.  

And it's great to hear you describe it. I mean, possibly many of the listeners here are familiar with it. I'm familiar with it but it's I like to hear the way you're describing it. It's it's very useful, all these sorts of things. The United Kingdom. Let's come back to this. The United Kingdom. Yeah. So is this about the union.   Is the active when did that is this the union between England and Scotland that began the formation of The United Kingdom?  

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Is is that what if it's England, Scotland, and Wales.   Mhmm.   So, yeah, there was,   yeah. There's it's an active union. But what I'm saying is, it's it's not about that. It's a fact that The UK does not have any land. It's not a landmass.  

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It's a political entity for control purposes. Yeah.  

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Yeah. Yeah. But That's frustrating. If you go out and you go out around you and you ask people, where are you from? And they go, well, I'm from The UK. And you go I do. Not anymore.  

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I go Yorkshire. But people  

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but you know what I mean? People   people don't know, and people don't know what counties they're in. They don't they have no they don't know about their flag. So these are all the things that I'm   really keen. And   Mhmm. The reason that the reason because it it people may be thinking, what what's the link between trial by jury courts   and flags?   Right?   But it's huge because   one of the one of the difficulties that we have in what I call the true movement is there's too many chiefs and not enough Indians.   Everyone wants to do things, you know, their way. And and   to be honest, probably, I I have to include myself in that. No. But  

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yeah. Yeah. But but there is a way. And the I I I think your point's well made. It's true.   The I mean, there's just a every every single person is fantastic as well, but we're we're hitting sort of another challenge now. So the the the challenge was hardly anybody knew this stuff. The Internet's been kicking around now for thirty years   and in full force really since 09/11, you know, it kicked an awful lot of things after that. And so there's a huge number of people now have really   been shaken up, particularly the COVID thing did that as well. Of course, it's slightly an alarming thing because we we can see their plans in action. But this is a good thing. Now we're at the stage of actually finding   which is why I was so interested in having you on, you know, and the conversations   is Uh-huh. We have to act. There have to be actions. And although it might sound   simplistic, get a flag,   it's the it's something   and it is, but that's its great strength, isn't it? That everybody could do that and then they say they begin to bind in with it spiritually, psychologically, intellectually, mentally, however you want to describe it.  

Because what it signifies is that in the county of   Sussex where I am or West Sussex or in the county of Lancashire or whichever county you're in,   the people of that county are now becoming again we. When they say we, Lancastrians   can say   we Lancastrians.   I want Lancastrians   to say that even though I'm from Yorkshire. I still want them to say that.   And, you know Yeah. We lads from we are the people of Warwickshire, and so on and so forth. And this is something tried. Yeah. Because you you said something in in our pre show chat earlier last week, which is Yeah. Right in this sort of bailiwick, I think, which is   when people bind together in this way,   given that they start to wear t shirts and flags and get Fockham Hall pencils and Yorkshire pencils and Sussex pencils or whatever whatever tut. It doesn't matter what it is. Yeah. It doesn't matter. Right. I think it will absolutely   stir the other side up a lot. They will not be happy about that. It will make them very very unhappy   because it's the I'm nervous.  

Yeah. They need to be. Like they've made us for hundreds of years. The anxiety that they actually poured into our people over hundreds of years is off the charts. But as they control them and people have still got that and that anxiety of course is understandable but it's also the force that tends to hold a lot of people back from   acting. Whereas if the action is, can you buy and fly a flag? Could you buy a t shirt with your county flag on it? That's it. But well, I've got one of those anyway. Yeah. Not one like this though. This is this is moving in this is signifying something else. You need to find out what this is all about. This is something so cool It's it's it's and so and it so involves you.   This is your county, mate. You own this. You're a steward of it Fries. Whilst you're alive. Fries.  



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England.   Yeah. England.   The football matches. Yeah. Mhmm. These are this is Joe Public.   You see, the thing is with the true movement, we've got all the intellectuals, and we've got the people who've been burnt. We've got plenty of those. Right? Yeah. But what we haven't got is Joe Public.   And without Joe Public,   it's not gonna work   because we need the numbers.   We need everyone to have flags in their windows, to be wearing a T shirt, to having having it in their garden or on their balcony.   Yeah. Because   the significance of that flag, the significance of that county's flag is tribal.   It depicts the fact that they're on the lands, they're on that county, that they're claiming it. Now at the moment,   many,   corporate police services   and councils   are using   the county's flags.  

Okay? They're using those flags because we   have not used them ourselves.   And why wouldn't they? Right? Because they know   things that we didn't know.   But now   we know the power of the flag and the power of the land and the power of the people in the county.   We could start to,   you know, merchandise.   It lit literally, I believe. I see this   war   as   something like a Trojan horse, you know, where there's something that seems so   insignificant.   Oh, yeah. You know, they they got a flag. You know? Oh, yeah. You know, he has his mug of tea with his, you know, Norfolk County flag on the front. You know, big deal. Right? But Yep. If you've got thousands of them across every county,   suddenly you've got a problem because   that will impact the consciousness   of the powers that be in a negative way because they'll start getting nervous that we know more even if we don't. Right? Because some of us won't. But we know more than,   than we did before. Yeah. And that will make them feel incredibly   nervous because we'll be reclaiming   our counties   and the the wonderful flags, and it's,   it's an interactive   process. We are a consumer society,   so it sort of, you know, it it kind of, it it it kind of connects with that.  

Now there are many other things that we can do. We can do a declaration to say that we're not UK citizens. We are English nationals. Fantastic.   Amazing.   Right? Some people may not be ready to do that initially,  

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but they might be ready to buy a I'm I'm quite ready to do it, Hannah. Eric, are you quite ready to do it? I'm quite ready to do it. Yes. We're quite ready.  

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Yes. And are you actually saying that,   we have council meetings,   but   without the councils   and without the BS of the councils.   So we are already telling them that they're they're not in a fit state to rule, but we're taking over. X x. That's why I  

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Yeah. Well, they don't the thing is they can't they can't ever rule because,   basically, the legal system is in the sea in the air.   So the court system   that that that we're running on at the moment is,   merchant law.   And, funnily enough, merchant law started with custom,   customary rights.   So you get these foreign boats coming to the shores of England selling their wares,   and you'd get people that couldn't speak each other's language.   So they'd have to use sign language. You know, how many oranges do you want? You know? And it would be thumbs up, and it would be smiles, and it would be this, and it would be that. And what happened is the Vatican again,   thought, oh, this is a fantastic   system.  

Why don't we,   codify it   and,   and, put it under something called Unidroids   and create something called the Uniform Commercial Code, which is all based on merchant law.  

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It's The UCC.  

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The UCC. Yeah. Yeah. It's commerce. Right? But so what we're seeing there is that the most beautiful system in the world can be corrupted.   Right? Because merchant law between seamen was, was lovely, and it was really nice and simple.   And, again, what we're seeing in the in in the marketplace of Old England is, let's say you have a woman who bakes a loaf of bread and another woman who provided the flour,   And, they're having an argument that, oh, she said she was gonna give me a loaf of bread if I provided the flour, and she hasn't given it to me. And the dispute is resolved in the marketplace. That's a trial by jury. That's a public   trial by jury where the people come. They obviously wanna know because we're all naturally nosy. What's going on?  

Oh, well, you know, I know Sandra. She's very good. She wouldn't lie about such a thing and, you know, this, that, and the other. And and, ultimately,   the people around make a decision as to what's how this is gonna be resolved.   And the two women agree that whatever, you know, whatever they decide, they'll go with it, and they shake hands on it, and that's the end of the matter. Right? So that's customary rights, that's customary law, that's public law, and that's customary,   rights, customary law over there, down at Seaport.   Okay. So what these people do is they,   they inflate   and they,   create these systems   and and and steal from the people and make it their own   and and have this exclusivity   with the bar   and, all the rest of it and wear these ridiculous wigs and clothes to make it look make themselves look very, very important. Well, they do look very lovely, don't they? They do look lovely. Don't they look lovely? They look ridiculous. I know. And and and they and and, well, they look like sheep, don't they? They look like sheep in wolves, you know, sheep. How rude. Wolf wolf wolf in sheep's clothing How rude. Which they definitely are. Yeah. And and the funny thing is they're pirates. They are pirates. And what they do, they operate in salvage.  

So every time,   one of our ships come in because we're considered to be kind of like ships, corporate entities,   missus Bader. Yeah. Mhmm. And, so they treat us,   like,   you know, a bad crew member   and, somebody who is, gonna get thrown overboard,   and then they take salvage, which could be anything you they can get their hands on, whether it's your baby,   your   house, your car.   You know, they might put you in what I call the bank, which is a jail. Because when they put you in jail, they have unfettered access an an indirect access to your trust. When they take your babies, they have direct access to your trust. So these are the real reasons why all the shenanigans are happening.   And the people that are helping to turn   this monstrous wheel,   some of them know,   some of them don't know, and some of them don't care.  

And the only way that all of this is gonna change is for the people   to   to recover their,   their   national English national and county,   status.   Yep.   For the people to,   recognize,   the distinction   between being a UK citizen,   and a UK,   sorry, English national,   or or English,   national   citizen, I think you can be,   or or   Norfolk,   national,   or whatever. Yeah. Mhmm. And so for people to do their declarations,   and to be sending them to the foreign secretary, which is currently David Lammy,  

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for people to Can he read, though? I don't know if he can can he read.  

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Well, I mean, they probably don't read this stuff, you know. I mean, I've I've I've sent them a lot of stuff, and, I've sent stuff to Charley Boy. I've sent stuff to Starmer.   You know, I've done a lot of stuff, over the years. I've been very, very busy in the in the whole legal and lawful system. Right. But, ultimately,   we, the first step, I do believe, is a conversation   about where you are.   Where are you? You know, what's your county? You know, it it's it's really I think I do believe that it's simple steps, and we can drown ourselves in, complex,   ideologies   and theories and this, that, and the other.  

But what I have come to, and I've done all of those things,   is that everything's really simple,   and everything is really achievable.   And what it takes is,   I believe, a business plan,   involving an ecommerce site and lots of merch for the counties.   I believe that there should be a declaration   which people can,   purchase   and how and get help to complete.   I believe that there should be initially   one central court,   for all the counties.   I believe that it should be a court that they, that has to, that that that makes a charge,   a substantial charge.  

The reason for that is on a psychological level.   I've had people come into my community law courts before   and, try to sabotage them on the basis that,   they're not proper enough.   And They're not proper learned They're not proper enough.   Are they? What would make them proper? What do they want to make it proper? Wigs and cloaks. Probably wigs and cloaks and things. Oh, who knows? Yeah. But what I got from that is that sometimes you have to make people pay for something   for them to respect it. And so there's there's there's a psychology,   you know, involved in this in this plan that I'm, you know, that I'm ruminating   on.  

And it is,  

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Yeah. The it's very easy. But as you say, we live in this mercantile world. That's fine. We've got stuff. People have been trained on the Internet to just buy stuff and, you know, the delivery vans are all over and they're just dropping all sorts of bits of toot off with everybody.   The thing Yeah. You know, it's a great in, though,   for, let's say, the neophyte moving into the space. Just get some stuff. Is that it? Yeah. That's it for now. Just get a hat, get a shirt, get something, get something.   And and they're beginning feasibility. It is. Yeah. They're beginning the binding process   of turning of of literally becoming we again. I've you I've talked about it. You know, whenever the word we is used, like, from the other side, they go, we are gonna do this. I'm gonna well, you're only talking about you. You know, obviously, they want the whole audience to think that we're all included in this great plan, but it's complete horseshit.  

Yeah. You know? So Yeah. We are gonna sort this out. We're gonna yeah. For your benefit, it's got nothing to do with us. I'm not even I'm not included in we is a very you know, misleading word. Everybody just assumes you're included.   You're not you're not included.  

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It's just that it's that little game. That's it. Yeah. Have you have you heard of a chap called Graham Moore of the English Constitution Party?  

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Yes. I have. Heard of him. And yeah. I have. And what I,   my thought about Graham Moore is that, obviously, he   you know,   everything we're seeing, the media's controlled. The mainstream media's controlled. Right? So every message   is designed   to, make us feel guilty, make us feel wrong,   makes us feel bad, whatever whatever. Right?   And anyone who forms any sort of political party within The UK   is a franchise of The UK.   So it doesn't matter what form it takes. It's a UK franchise, and that means that The UK corporation controls it.   No matter how different it seems to,   it seems to be. You know, the saying,   same same   sift, different package.  

Notice how I didn't say the the the full swear word there, but I think everyone understands what I mean. Yeah. So, you know, it's Well, it's that old adage as well. It doesn't matter which party you vote for. The government always gets in.  

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Always. It's always there. Is it Well And we've we've talked about it here regularly that there is no political parties   cannot solve it because they don't have the power to deliver any of their promises. They're they're all about to find out that there's a force above them like these permanent secretaries I was hearing about today. There's 23 of them. They're in charge of so much. No one even knows who they bloody are. You know, all this kind of stuff. And what's the point of going into their system, which they've built, thinking that you can change it without it changing you. It corrupts every single person that goes into it is consumed by that demon. They just get completely absorbed into it. Yeah. It's a good gone in there and died. Satanic. They go in there and die. Satanic system. It is. To answer your yeah. To answer your question, Eric, because you you made a very good Mhmm. You raised a very good question, but I didn't fully answer it. In fact, I don't think I answered it at all, which was, are we gonna form our own,  

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kind of county councils?   Right. Well,   Anna Von Ritz uses the word assembly, and I've had mixed reviews on the word because people remember going to school assemblies and they're not being particularly pleasant experiences.   But,   it's about the lawfulness   of people,   coming together.   And so from that position, the word assembly,   is quite a useful word.   Ultimately, it is the people,   that control the service providers.   And The UK,   corporation   is nothing more than a service provider.   And what has happened is because we,   have lost our way for whatever reason,   we've allowed our service providers to become our masters.  

And we now need to recover   our counties,   recover our status on the land,   and, and start,   putting pressure on them   to make changes. And if they don't make the required changes,   and that will be something that grows with numbers and people becoming   more sophisticated   in terms of, you know, going from perhaps buying a flag to doing a declaration,   perhaps from   doing the declaration to leading an assembly   whereby   they take responsibility   for making sure that there's perhaps a monthly talk,   where they can   meet with other people in that assembly and say, right. You know, we're not happy about paying,   for this or that.  

We're going to,   we're gonna raise some money and hold a trial by jury,   for the, the land the land court and, you know, with all the, bells, whistles, and all the rest of it.   And we're gonna invite   this council to our court.   And if they don't come, well,   that that doesn't matter. We'll still carry on and do it, and then we will let them know what our orders are. Now I did that. If we go back to the first hour of the show, this is what I did.   And it was hugely, hugely powerful, but what I didn't have is the numbers backing it up.   And that's what we need. We need the numbers. We need some level of structure.  

I think the most   important thing   that Anna Von Ritz's work   has taught me   is,   I I did something called an affidavit in Demura with a good friend of mine, Stuart. I don't know if he's watching, listening to the show today.   He's brilliant. His knowledge of,   law and legal is just amazing.   And,   we did this document that we sent to,   the prime minister and the birth registrar, lots of different people. And it was good. It was a very, very good document. But what I've seen with the Anna Von Ritz declaration is it just goes that   10 steps further,   and you've got various,   references   to,   various pieces of legislation   that prove   that we are considered legal fictions or natural persons   and that this, trust exists.  

And the process is a reconveying   from The UK citizen status, which which was which has been put on us from our birth   back to the land.   And so I think that that's a really powerful document.   And I think that enough people do it,   it will start to,   level things up   quite quickly Yeah. In this country.   And the fact that they're getting rid of trial by jury courts in their in their in their merchant courts, in their admiralty courts, in their ecclesiastical   canon,   based courts   is really great   because it gives us the perfect excuse   to reconvey trial by jury courts on the land. And if they have anything to say about it, well, for a start, they cannot stop us because they've got limited jurisdiction.  

And,   ultimately,   we can turn around and say, well, oh, well, you don't have trial by juries anymore, and we don't think that's right. So, you know, we can start transferring. Can you imagine this? We can start requiring transfers   from the family court where they're stealing babies day in and day out   to a trial by jury court.   Names and all of that can be protected. You know, it can be child a,   child b, whatever, you know. So that can be dealt with. And you get a whole trial by jury,   deciding   on   that family's,   position   rather than one judge and a whole team of people   that have an economic interest in that family's demise.  

That's a game changer. Yes. So that's what I'm envisaging, you know, for the future.   And it I can't do it alone. You know? People need to   connect with what I'm saying and say, yeah. I want that too. I want this to happen. I want it to happen in my lifetime.   This is possible,   and help me to make it happen.  

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If you want told. Yeah. If you I would just if you wanna call into the show, by the way, I'm I'm just letting everybody know. I I know I say this each week, but we've got the lines are open. I opened them up at the beginning of the second hour. If you wanna call in and you're in The UK sorry. If you're in England or Scotland, bloody hell. Old habits die hard. If you're in the problem. If you're in the disunited   kingdom   place, the complete mess,   then you can call in. The number to dial is always gonna come around on the screen in a second. I'm just waiting for it to come. I can't even read it out. Where is it? It's actually on the screen right now on Rumble and YouTube. You'll see it. Okay. The UK number is 03330110616.   That's 03330110616   and then you have to enter in, a little sort of code at the end of it which is 5 432323Hash.  

I know it's a bit complicated but that's the way you can do it. Or if you want to come in over the Internet,   go to paulenglishlive.com   forward /call.   That's the easiest way. Paulenglishlive.com/call   on your browser and you'll come in. We're looking at the screen now and there were some people rocked up in the first half but we were taking calls then. But if you wanna come in and put a question to Hannah or make a comment or whatever, you're more than welcome to do so.   And if you need those information Absolutely. Again, yeah, head on over to YouTube and Rumble and just have a look at the screen. It's running across Excellent. The screen right now. Eric, sorry about that. I just wanted to get that out there. No. That's okay. No. No. No. It's just it's your show, you know, and it's important you got that out. Well, I'm glad to say my granddad, when I was very young, used to say to me,  

[01:46:44] Unknown:

watch out for the infiltrators.   And when I was young, I didn't quite understand what he meant because,   he was born in 1888,   And I think he joined the Labour Party in nineteen o seven when it was set up.   And he saw how it was infiltrated in the nineteen   twenties and thirties.   Wow. And it's only when I got a little older that I realized what he was trying to tell me. Because when it was first set up, it was really not much to do about socialism   because I think that was going to tackle usury.   And that went straight out the window when it was infiltrated.   But he he he actually saw the infiltrators. And my,   Jarro Marchers.  

So he tried to help in that.   What about infiltrators?  

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What are we gonna do with them? Oh, well. How are we gonna iron them? Well, Well, they're all they will always be, Eric. They'll always be infiltrators.   You know? I mean,   they'll always be it it's it's kind of interesting, isn't it? But, I mean, I I believe that I I've   gone through my life believing that most people are good, and I still do believe that.   I think there's a lot of good people doing bad things as well. You know? Like I said, there's people working in councils that have no idea what they're participating in. There's people that work in the, judiciary.   And what they've done now is they've put all those sort of people,   in offices well away from the courts.  

There's there's people,   even judges, no doubt,   that really   are deeply unhappy   about what they are   participating in. There's gotta be some people out there that, you know, really, really,   are kind of trapped.   There's the the the the police. I mean, the police are nothing more than private,   foot soldiers.   They're carrying weapons, which is against the law of this land,   and,   they have no clue,   who they're working for. They're certainly not working for the people. Their role is a peacekeeping role, and they are definitely not peacekeeping.   No. So, you know, it's it's all pretty screwed up, and there's a there's a lot of people that are being misled, including myself. I was one of them. I did my law degree. I was completely brainwashed.  

You know, I have my children,   taken because I reported a crime. I jumped through every hoop. I was a very good little slave, got my kids back, had no idea   what what actually was going on. You know? So I have no doubt there are thousands of people,   millions of people in that position.   Now it is the duty of the people that do know to start to have gentle conversations with these people and let them know what they act who and what they actually are because somebody is gonna wake somebody else up. It was John Little for me. John Little said to me, you know, this is what's actually going on.   And, you know, the the the blinds were off, and I start seeing things as they really are. There's always a few bad people at the top of every system I know. You know, who will you know what I mean? It will twist it. But,   I genuinely believe I believe that we can reconvey   half of the police force of this country   to the land jurisdiction,   and that will completely destroy the legal system. It will completely destroy   the the the debt slave, the,   bond slave system that we're currently in. It will shrink it to nothing.  

So there's there's some really   big potential   with this declaration   and with the reconvening of these,   people and,   you know, taking up these counties. It's huge. And it's so simple.   And I'm I'm up for that because I've done I've done all the headbanging stuff. I've done all the complex stuff. I've been to every,   you know, the highest courts in this country.   I still work in the courts,   and, I do lots of things. And I always look for where there is remedy.   And, you know, I believe the remedy is with the people, 100%. It is with,   it is with the ones that are shouting England, where they go to the football matches,   you know, ordinary people   that,   are are are have been in this   in this   mire throughout their whole life   and deserve better.  

And, you know, all we need to do is start it's it's just talking to them about where where simple conversations. What county do you live in? Oh, have you seen the flag? Do you know what it looks like? You know? Simple, simple things. And I I I believe Optimism.   Rapid turnaround.  

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Yeah. I think what you're promoting is optimism, and this is what we need  

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because Oh, we do. Social engineers  

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have have actually   drained us of optimism. And this is why we see so many people walking around   looking shabby,   looking sort of uncouth, looking just down all the time. But one thing I was going to ask you,   am I right in saying that   gypsies   do not register their children at birth, and that's why they can drive around in vehicles   untaxed, un MOT'd,   no insurance,   and get away with it. Am I am I talking am I talking a load of profiling excrement? No. No. No. Is that correct? No. That well, the well, basically,  

[01:51:57] Unknown:

the traveling community,   because some of them don't like to be called gypsies, but the traveling community   are the freest people on the land.   And I absolutely love the traveling community because they actually teach us how we should be living.   Now Mhmm. Some people,   treat them like vermin, and I think that's a disgrace because these are people that have their own culture.  

[01:52:19] Unknown:

And, they're amazing. But you're talking about hang on a minute. You're talking about this difference between sorry. I didn't mean to cut in, and please excuse me if I sound rude. But there are Didicois and there are Gypsies.   And the Gypsies can't stand the Didicois and vice versa because the Gypsies are are a culture. The Didicois are just the ones on the edge.  

[01:52:38] Unknown:

That's the thing. Well, I I I don't know. I I can't say I I could differentiate, but all I can tell you is that my experience   of, the Gypsy community or the traveler community,   depending on what they what their preference is to hear,   is that their offspring   are so free. I mean, I I love nothing more than to see   40 caravans coming up onto a public park   and, you know, and all the kids are out all to all hours of the day and night, and they're dancing and it's radios on and, you know, it's just alive.   And I think that we need to take the lead from these people because they are free. And I tell you what, they know the law better than any of us because they are the law. They are the we are the law. And so what you did you have you seen them with the police? I mean, they they they railroad the police because the police know that they know. Right? So when the police go to visit them, when they've, you know, when they've all pulled up at some public park somewhere,   they're they're so careful.  

And,   and, you know, the the the men and the women and the and the the offspring, you know, they come out, and they talk very directly, you know, with the police. And the police are like, well, leave them alone because the police know in that moment that they are outnumbered.   They're they're outnumbered   because there'll be a lot of them, a lot of caravans, a lot of, travelers or gypsies   and offspring. But they're also,   they're outnumbered   in terms of skill   because those people know the law. And they'll say to them, oh, you know, we yeah. Obviously, you know, we were entitled to you know, we can we can stay here. We can we can do what we want here. And and and there and this this it's that balance because, of course, that park will also be used by the people in the community.   And and it's a we all have equal rights to use that park.  

But they usually will move on. And,   you know, their caravans are usually immaculate.   Sometimes they will leave rubbish. Sometimes they won't. But perhaps some of that is about how they've been treated by society. You know? Mhmm.   Something something I right. Yeah. Yeah. Something I really wanted to do actually when I yeah. Sorry. Go  

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on. No. Please carry on. I I I I I just got a little comment to make about gypsies, so please carry on. Okay. Yeah. Well, something that I was really passionate about doing,  

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when I, left a bar and when I got derailed on my university thing, I wanted to   lead,   a traveler community. It was a charity.   And I wanted to,   be the, spokesperson,   spokeswoman   for that for that charity.   But, unfortunately,   they were the they were offering me a ridiculous amount of of money. I just couldn't, you know, couldn't manage on that money because I'd spent so much money on my law degree, you know, going to the bar and everything. I was hugely in debt. It's like $60 debt. They offered me, like, $12 a year, which I was like,   I won't be able to do that. But I really wanted to do it, you know, because I felt, just had a kind of instinctive connection   to the fact that somehow these people were doing something right   and, you know, that they were free.  

And, and that that was exciting, you know, for me. But, unfortunately, I wasn't able to, you know, to, follow that through.   But, yeah, I I you know, they're they're  

[01:56:04] Unknown:

really, are hopeful for the future, I believe. Can I just how are you fixed for time, Hannah? How how do you wanna play this? We're coming up up to the end. It's nearly 10:00. You're more than welcome to stay. More than welcome. I mean, you know, but I'm just thinking of you and your time. So if you want to keep on talking, we can we can definitely allow you to do that. I'm absolutely loving this. But,   how are you fixed for time? What would you like to do? I have to be civil about it. I I I I just want to, ask a few questions.  

[01:56:30] Unknown:

Is this is this, is this recorded, this interview? Yes.   So is are people able to,  

[01:56:37] Unknown:

listen to it after the There are. There'll be a full recording on YouTube. There'll be a recording on Rumble. There's a podcast that gets published on paulenglishlive.com   about forty minutes after we've finished. The whole show will be as an audio file for people to listen to. So, yes, they can listen to it  

[01:56:54] Unknown:

and download it and consume it Yeah. At their leisure. Yeah. Amazing. Amazing. Yeah. I'm sort of what I'm what I'm sort of present to right now is that I hope that this has been largely,   given that we're we're clear that we are in a war with our, with the people that we employed to,   look after us. They have become,   our masters,   and that the fact is that the only way   that we can, re reverse,   back to the right order, which is that that we are the master   and that they are the service providers.   Right? Yeah.   Is by the people,   doing their declarations   and, you know, engaging with their counties and engaging with their flags and other merchandise.  

I think that,   I think that's a good place to kind of end because   not end, but just just for now. Because what I'm thinking is we've given people a lot of food for thought,   and I hope that we will,   you know, that we will have,   other opportunities   to,   to move the conversation forward. And in in terms of, the work that I'm doing with the,   what I'm doing with the English Council Assemblies is I'm actually   reviewing,   the structures,   which come from,   most most of it, as I understand, comes from the work of Anna Von Ritz over there in The States. Yep. And,   so that's what I'm doing at the minute. And and where I've where I've ended this kind of conversation is where I'm at in terms of my, knowledge. I've got three or four chapters   of her,  

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of her work left to review. I just have to interrupt you briefly. Okay? Yeah. So we're just at the top of the hour. So I just wanna say goodbye to all the listeners on, WBN three two four. We're carrying on here running for another hour, probably not without Hannah,   but, on Rumble and YouTube, myself and Eric will be having the, the after show. But we'll be back here on WBN same time next week, 3PM US Eastern,   8PM in the UK. Hopefully, you'll be able to join us. Have a cracking week, everybody.   And, we look forward to you all learning how to buy your flags.   And, that That's it. Yeah. That's it. So we've just said goodbye to the UBM. They've just dropped the feed, but we're we're still here. You can still wrap up for a bit. We don't we are not Amazing. Thank you. So what I was what I was thinking  

[01:59:19] Unknown:

what I was thinking would be really, I think, really good is that you and I,   Paul, are gonna have continue having conversations.   And Yeah. And I have a talk,   on the August 11, which I hope that you will plug for for,   for us.  

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Fish Riley, that's gonna be Monday, August 11, 7PM   star. I'll put the details in the show description when I edit the YouTube and the rumble files. Amazing. And we'll put it Amazing. We have a we have a Telegram group with a couple of 100 people in it, so I'll publicize it in there. Fantastic.   There are other groups on task that that need to know about it. Yeah. And and I might even meet Eric in real life. He will, of course, be dressed in the Fockem Hall customary costume. I don't know quite what it is, but I'm looking  

[02:00:08] Unknown:

I would love to see his crest. Yes. That would be amazing.  

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Yeah. Really? It could be embarrassing, though.  

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I  

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got I might get arrested.  

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What I would really love to do I mean, there's so many things I can talk about. Obviously, I think you kinda got the idea. Right? Mhmm. But what I would love to do is,   maybe book another session in, you know. When I've completed the book and I've kind of,   completed my analysis and and really kind of crystallized my thoughts in terms of,   you know, whether I'll be joining the English county's assemblies, because that's where I'm at at the minute. I'm on the sort of, you know, I'm on the sort of threshold, and I'm thinking, well, do I come in? And if I if I go in, then I've gotta follow the structures that they have in place. Yeah. Or,   do I say, well, I'm not sure about this, this, and this. And if it doesn't change, I can't,   participate in that system. However,   I'll take the bits that I'm aligned with  

[02:01:10] Unknown:

and and take it from there. It's it's great to know that you go through that similar process because we're all looking for something that ticks every box.   And we're and it's almost as if we're never gonna find that. And there's some inside every single one of us, there's a there's a sort of cutoff point. You go, that's too I can't be around this anymore. That's too much. But there's there's many things that people can contain   and I think that it's required in these early stages because it's not gonna go the way that it works in the picture in our head. I know how I want it in the picture in my head and and I want it to go that way but I want I'm not gonna meet it that way. I'm gonna meet it in different forms. They're gonna be people at meetings that I think are amazing. There are other people I will have a lesser opinion of because of what they're saying. There are people that do disrupt in meetings. There are people that make them flow. It's all these sorts of things. It's very delicate when you're gathering us together, our law together. Yeah. We're so stubborn. We're all right. We all know better than everybody else. I include myself right now. He's wrong about that. Yeah. Yeah. And and in the end, you go, it's irrelevant to some degree whether you're right.   Because if we do not come together, we're not even gonna have the opportunity to argue with one another. These   arenas, these these conventions, the places our meeting places   won't exist. I just wanna argue with my own people on England. I'm quite happy to argue with them and be proven. Absolutely agree with you. It's fabulous. It's not a problem. Good grief. You just taught me something. I was so stupid. I couldn't see it. Thank you for beating me around the head with a bit of wood and getting it through my thick head. I need to know this stuff. And I think with that attitude, there's there's nothing that's in the way of stopping us   coming together Move moving forward. As the English in England and as the Scots in Scotland, as the Welsh in Wales and the Irish in Ireland and the Northern Irish in Northern Ireland. All of these things need to be done because it's it's universal to everybody. I mean, we look around, don't we, at the news that's going on. And every single one of our nations, including most of the nations in Europe and elsewhere, they're getting hammered by this UCC   cult,   this mercantile cult, this banking cult, whatever you wanna call it. We all know. The hidden hand Yeah. The money power, I call it generally, because Yeah. That's the great their favorite tool of their favorite weapon to to wage against us. And this route through and I mentioned it here before on the show and I think I said it to you when we were talking. The guy that taught me a great deal about banking, Ray, said to me very early on, he said, the way that we lick this system   is through law. And, obviously, it's through the the right law, the righteous law, this one. The land of the people.  

Yeah. The law of the people. Yeah. There is. And there's another chap that I need to I've actually just you know him because I mentioned him to   to you the other Alan of Salisbury. Now I met him briefly. Alan of Salisbury is my lovely friend, Alan. Yeah. He's great. Yeah. Very nice. I met Alan of Salisbury very briefly at someone's house a few months ago, and it was just a general chat. So I didn't really get to know him, but I've got his contact details, and I know someone who knows him really well. And, Yeah. One of the things that came through in the conversation I just had from a third party was this,   link between the word law, l o r e, and law. For law   is the tradition of our customs, is it not? It becomes custom. Yes. It's our law.  

And Yeah. This way that words are just shifted to one side and then create a a completely different impression in the crowd so that you can control them is key. Yes. And I know he's very strong on words.   We had a wonderful discussion about the team that was Shakespeare, the group that was Shakespeare,   to bring into the English language so many new words which didn't exist.   And it's it's absolutely it's unbelievably   fascinating and compelling. It's also very important because it's affecting our lives every moment of the day with all this Yeah. Their misuse   of these spells. Literally, every word is a spell and they've they're casting a spell on us. Yeah. And you Spelling is I mean, it's been fantastic tonight, Hannah, because you've you've laid things out   in layman's terms. And this is the great challenge, and people, I don't think, understand what a challenge it is. It's to pare this knowledge down.  

I've said this here repeatedly. So You talk to the guy in the pub. You go, you got this? You got that? Yeah. You wanna do something? Yeah. I'm in. Great. That's what we need. Bang, bang, bang. Yes. Let's get going. I know. I don't understand it all. Neither do I. But does it feel good? Does it feel right? Does your is your gut telling you that this is the right thing to do? And it is. That's what's going on with everybody right now. They're outraged because it's their experience that this is absolutely sick what's taking place and they're right. And that's, you know, flags Yeah. Any sort of symbolism that we can use to harness that energy amongst people. Yeah. Is gonna be a mighty thing. Very powerful. It is indeed. I I agree with you. I'll tell you something. You've done a fantastic job, Anna, tonight because you've explained it so simply Yes. By describing  

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them as pirates.   Fantastic.   It's it's one of these things. It's a bit like the invention of the paperclip. You look at it and think, what did neither think of that? But it's it's a fantastic   simple description. I mean, I call government mafia.   In fact, I think the mafia is probably more honest because at least they give something back to the community. Government doesn't give anything back to the community. So really Yeah. What's the difference between government and mafia? There isn't any.   In fact, I'd say the government the real mafia are more honest.  

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You know? I mean, I think they'd probably do a better job.   Yeah. But, no, really,  

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the   I think you're right. The power of people, and it's motivating the people. Motivation.  

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That's what people haven't got. They're lost. Inspiring and rolling. Yeah. And making things   yeah. Making things easy step by step. You know? People worry about stuff. They worry about losing the the few crumbs of the state. You know? Some people may may be in financial difficulties, maybe single mothers or fathers and, you know, different things and, you know, relying on the crumbs of the state, pensioners, and all the rest of it. But it's it's it's our credits. It's our money. There's there's so much. You know, we're we're all actually really quite rich. And and one of the things that I deal with is the breaking is is is shattering the illusion because I I deal with people that believe that they are rich, and I deal with people that believe that they are poor.   But, actually, we're all equal   because, you know,   they're just digits. Right? And to me, it doesn't matter if you've got 10 digits or you've got 10,000,000 digits. It's just digits because it it has no it has no gold it has no gold value. But what we all have is our equal share of the land. And this process that I've been talking about tonight is about recovering   our land   and standing on our land   and, making decisions on our land as a people   and getting we we are actually the government ourselves, but what it is is that we've allowed,   the separation   between we've we've allowed it's it's the master and servant thing. You know? The the servant has become the master,   and that needs to be corrected. And it will be something that will always need correcting because people will always try on. Some people will always try on. Right? And so this is a wake up call   that has to happen in our time   because moving forward,   there always has to be a trial by jury because a trial by jury   makes the law.  

Whatever   those whatever that sort of cross section of society in that jury is   is whatever the law is at that time because they're creating it. So it's always evolving with society.   So it never ever is something that we need to look back on and go, oh, what was the what what was that bloke that wrote the Magna Carta, or or was it the barons, or was it the people? Forget all of that. It's gone. It's his story.   Right? What we have is the land. What we have is the people living on the land. What we have is the counties. What we have are the flags, which I believe according to,   my good friend, Dwight,   1842,   these,   county flags roughly,   around that around that era were established.  

And, they're not going anywhere, and it's they're ours for the taking.   And it's time for us to take them and take back our land.  

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Brilliant.  

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Absolutely brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.  

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I'm hoping to have a whole series of other little short conversations with you, Hannah, going forward. You don't Yes. You know? And when you're ready to come we can do another long one when you're ready. But I thought Yeah. You know, if I'm speaking to you during the week, I may well record fifteen, twenty minute chats, and I'm gonna drop them into the show here as an insert saying, I've just been having a chat with Hannah. Here's, ladies' thoughts on things that have been Yeah. Been wonderful tonight. I've I've really, really enjoyed it so much Oh. Because it it just attaches to all of this positivity   that's required   and a can do ness, and we can do this. We can do it. We totally can do it. We can totally do it. Yeah. We can do it. Yeah. And I'll tell you another thing, humor. My attitude is our greatest weapon  

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is humor because   this is why they're trying to destroy our humor because they're frightened of it. They don't understand it.   And it's surprising what you can get over by humor. Now for example,   I did a planning objection,   25 page report, but I put humor in it.   And, and, you know, and and little things like,   you know,   it is rumored   that, the counselors,   are closet violinists.   Why can't we, the public why can't their residents see them openly on the fiddle?   There's nothing wrong in that. So   I love it. It is. I understand   all that.  

Yeah. And and and things like,   and putting the,   for   example,   where there was open rubbish   bins   and that. Don't complain. Observation.   They're in you know, they're helping nature by creating,   more   flies, which is is good for nature.   Feral pigeons and things like that. Just keep praising them. You know?   And and and and and say,   this is what I do. I do the opposite to what they think. You know. I love it. Invent the name. Yeah. Invent a sort of a society.   Yeah. Like the, you know, the the the   the the, the fly conservation   society, you know. How marvelous it is to have flies around us pollinate the plants.  



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Yeah. Head of head of the blue bottle society.  

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The blue bottle Yes. Yes. That's right. And I mean, I I said there was this new estate.   I said What? Yeah. You know,   so watching, at the moment, we've got fields around us, you know, and,   seeing animals mating and eating each other   upsets granny. But if it's built on,   then we can control the nature by leaving,   rubbish bags around and that. And that will whether we can see pigeons, which people like, flies,   wasps, those type of things are controllable. So I'm looking at the the positive points of of of an estate, you know, around us. Uh-huh.  

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You should get a job as a counselor, Eric.  

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Oh, never. Never in a million years.  

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Head of Fuckingham Hall Council.  

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Absolutely. That's Yes. So you could become a you could become a county assembly leader   and do monthly talks   and start challenging   council head on with your with your new  

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No. No. You're allowed to say   that.  

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Yes. But I I like what you said, Paul, about the blue we could start the blue bottle society.   Good. Them for not emptying the bins. You know? Because they're gonna have another two weeks. Yeah. Gonna have three weeks about bins now. Not two weeks. Three weeks to have bins. So, you know,   a king fisherman will like the markets crawling out of the bins.   So that's gonna be good, isn't it, for fishermen? Look at all the positive aspects, you know.  

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Well, I think, Eric, you you as the head of the council, the idea that you've got a toilet chain around your neck, you know, they all have chains down there.  

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Don't you think that would be a problem? They pull it, I'll flush. Charlie, every time they pull it, I'll flush.  

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Oh. Sorry, Paul. It's terrible. Can I come in? Oh, dear. Certainly. We have a little voice coming in, Hannah. You see, we sometimes get other voices coming in. I don't know where they come from. Actually, I do know where this voice this is Paul who another Paul, to confuse you Oh. Who's in who's in America right now. And because this show is also picked up by other networks of which Paul handles and goes out to another audience of knowledgeable types. Paul would like to say something. Hi, Paul. Welcome to the show.  

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Hi there.   I love that. I love that idea, Eric. That is delightfully cheeky   because the biggest problem with these guys is they are,   overinflated,   with their own egos and their own sense of self importance. And when somebody   actually   shows them   that just a a cheeky   response to the crowd they come out with. It's it's delightfully wonderful. I love that. I love that. Yeah.  

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Yeah. Yeah. Well, I can give you a link to the report I did. And, if you suffer from, you know, if you if you if if,   you wanna get off to sleep at night, that'd be good good reading. But, yeah, you'll you'll have a good laugh. And in fact, the local press picked it up, and then the national press picked it up because they said they do ever see the report like it. But the council was so impressed that when I went to the council meeting, they completely ignored it. Seriously. They just didn't even read it. And, yeah. And, apparently, you're not allowed to speak.  

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Yeah. All controlled. You know? It's it's like the judge in the court. Yeah.  

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Well, who knows? Maybe maybe in our relatively   imminent future,   Eric, and others that are listening Yeah.   The role of a juror is coming into your life. It would be   what you said earlier on about the jury and about the animation of the people and that they are rising up to the highest possible qualities of their behavior.   This is extremely inspiring because it's in everyone. It's just completely sealed off and they're demeaned and put down and it's complete crap.  

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Crap. You know? They take it very seriously. They take it really, really seriously. They are amazing. They're just brilliant.   When they step into that role,   something happens to them, and they are rigorous   with the questions.   It's just it's completely different from,   obviously,   a maritime,   court   Mhmm. Jurisdiction.   And,   they really come into their own, and they're so diligent in their work.   No no stone is unturned. You know? No stone is left unturned with, you know, with their questions and everything,   and they just do such amazing work. Yeah.  

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Wonderful. The thing that I find, though, I mean, local councils, joking aside, I I find them very   immature.   You know, lady speaker,   I mean,   I I was,   I was in a debate. I was one not in a council, but someone said, you've got to address the chair. So I said, well, hello, chair. Where are you from? And I said, you're taking the mix. Yes.   But I mean, that's it.   You know? You're a nice chair. But, no, seriously, though,   I find counselors to be exceptionally immature in an embarrassing way. I find it embarrassing. Oh, absolutely. Immature. Absolutely.  

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Oh, that's just We we we have another caller. We have another caller coming in. How about that? Oh, brilliant. Brilliant. Yeah. I think it's Eli. I think it might be Eli Eli. Eli, I can you hear us? Are you there? Can you hear us? Are you there?   I can hear you fine. I'm hoping my sound is okay. We can hear you. Yeah. That's fine. Yeah. So another American Hello, Eli. Another another chap from America. Very good dear friend of mine. Eli, hi. Good afternoon to you. Yeah. Welcome to the show.  

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Yeah. Yeah.   Greetings. Well,   you you guys really started a problem here in America   when you gave us the idea to have a county sheriff.   Okay?   Who who was not   right? Who's not controlled by the government.   Right? Here in America, the county sheriff basically rules the roost   that he can tell every,   federal bureaucrat to go fly a kite,   and he could he can prohibit any federal bureaucrat from even entering his county.   I don't know if your counties have it. Like, sheriff of Nottingham.   Was he that kind of guy?   Well Anna, was he that kind of guy?  

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Probably. There was, there were sheriffs.   There is, there's a peacekeeping act. I can't remember the year. But basically, there were sheriffs,   were created,   after the French revolution,   in England. And there were,   French soldiers wandering around the country, and they created these cherries,   to go around. They still exist in Scotland, but not not so much here. They're only ceremonial.   But at the time,   they were created to go around the country   and disarm,   these French soldiers that had been in the revolution.   And that was their role. Oh. It was a peacekeeping role. Yeah.  



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Would there be room, Hannah? Sorry. Hannah, would there be room for sheriffs in the new county system, do you think? Could we bring them Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I believe so. Yeah. Yeah. Six shooter maybe. Nice star. Big hat.  

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Is it is it true, Hannah, that, we do the Brit The Us,  

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English do have the right to bear arms? Is it true? Well, well, of course. It is. We we our home is our castle. We have the right to protect   our property.   But, obviously, we know the repercussions of that would be immense.   So at this stage, I would I would air on the side of caution, and I would say, let's get the   the flag going and let's get the counties going and then ease into it. Do you know what I mean? Mhmm.   I would like to see the, police officers, which as I said, they're nothing more than privatized,   weaponized soldiers   for the corporations.  

Oh, really? I'd like to see them disarmed   under that act, that peacekeeping,   that peacekeeping act.   I can't remember the date of it. But if you put in peacekeeping act, something will come up, and you'll see what I'm talking about. It is there, and it's never been repealed.  

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Well, they're a private corporation, aren't they, the police?  

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Yeah. But there are peace officers. There there's a group that set themselves up. PEACE   Peace Officers. Yes. I don't know if you know anything about that. I I was I was gonna go along I do. To, see some see something about it. But unfortunately, the person didn't turn up. So so   I went to this place. And the first person was to speak about it, they did turn up. So it's pretty good, actually. So we all sat around our conversation and went home.   Oh,  

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yeah. There's so much noise. Peace.  

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Yeah. Yeah.   Peacekeepers. Yeah. If you can do peacekeepers. Well,  

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it's peace on, and then next bit is peace off. Rumors and doubting him. Eli, yeah. Would you like to say something? Sorry. We're we're all speaking at once here. It happens. It's we're all getting very excited. We're having too much fun. Please speak. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. Well, the first thing I'd have the sheriff do is go over to Rotherham and disarm the illegal aliens.  

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Yes. That are Yeah. Rotherham. White girls.   Yep. Yeah. Rotherham. Yeah. Not not knocking not Nottingham. Rotherham. Right? It's not that far from the town.   Oh, that is okay.   But, I I have some,   attire suggestion   for your your county movement. Like, you're you're  

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Or an American giving English people fashion advice. Gosh.  

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Yeah. That's right. That's right.   I sent over a photograph of Danielle Smith,   the premier of Alberta   Mhmm. Who is leading a secession movement there to get to get away from socialist Canada and globalist Canada. Right? Yes. And she looks fantastic in a cowboy hat.  

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Does she? Okay. Are you saying that maybe Manchester.   Are you are you suggesting that cowboy hats become a universal signature of of this of all our I don't know how it's not gonna look good in England, though. We've often thought that in England, we should all wear bowlers.   We're all gonna wear bowler hats. We thought we thought bowlers were all gonna wear that. It's the Yorkshire. The Yorkshire lot could wear caps. We wear flat caps up north. Okay. Hi. We'd have flat caps.   Yeah.   Yes. I wonder if there's I wonder if there's shirt shirt shirt shirt. Yeah.   Yeah.  

Well, may maybe there's a hat for each county. Maybe certain counties are associated with certain hats. Hannah, are we just keeping you here forever? Have you got a bottle of Shabli to go to? I'm I'm I'm sort of sensitive to the fact it's so much fun that I don't really wanna let you go, but you might need to go. You know? It's just we're all being very rude now and sort of imposing on your time. No. You're not. Honestly, no. I am gonna get off. It's really interesting to hear the American accent and, you know, the the guys coming in from America because, obviously, one of the big themes is,  

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you know, the global connection, the global family with Anna Von Reets'   work   and the American connection and the fact that in truth Oh, common law. Us English us English us English people screwed over the Americans big time.   And, you know, we we actually really have to put we have to put things right because we've we've not only screwed ourselves over, but we screwed the Americans over too,   or what are the powers that be. And so if we can sort if we can get our ducks in order, that's gonna help the Americans big time. And so it really is our duty to sort this out. You know? It is our duty. It really is. It is. It's our duty. Yeah. It is. Yeah. Yeah. So Might I suggest one more Yeah. One more Yeah.  

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Might I might I suggest one more fashion statement, Abolo.   You know what Abolo is?  

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No. What's that?  

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Sounds rude. A bolo is   a bolo is a Texas necktie,   which can be used for various purposes.   But it's basically like a a sleeve and a a couple of shoestrings,   and you can have any kind of image, metallic image, say, the cross of Saint George, your your county symbol, and it would be right in the middle of your neck. Instead of a necktie, it's a bolo. I send you images for all you can show to people. Yeah. Can you send us a photograph, please?  

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We'll we'll add that to our   list.   Yeah. Yeah. We we we can start we can I mean, anything with the county,   flag   on it, we can turn it into anything? Tote bags,  

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you know, brooches, what you're what you're suggesting. Really anything anything. Cravat, scarves. Cravat would be nice. Along with my cigarettes and my cigarette holders, we can all be incredibly posh. What about a deer stalker? Handkerchiefs.  

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A what? Deer stalkers. A deer stalker.   That's a hack. Like a deer stalker hat, which,   that's what,   I will Sherlock Holmes sported. Sherlock Holmes would yeah. Sherlock Holmes with his pipe. Yeah. But I was a deer stalker.  

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It's a weird looking hack. Yeah. It's nice to know that we're moving on to serious topics now, so in such a late hour of the show. Yeah. No. I'm not. It's Making a good impression. We are we are talking about the most important thing, the merchandise.  

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We're talking about the merchandise.  

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And that is the Trojan horse, the merchandise. That's right. Amen. And the question that we never we didn't address tonight is   the state of Donald Trump's trousers.   Is there a tailor in the house that can sort him out? Because I've never seen a man with such a bad pair of trousers.  

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There's about four yards of material there with nothing in it, isn't there? Yeah. That's what  

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in the wind. Jersey's walking along.  

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That's what we notice over here, Eli and Paul. We we notice trousers a lot. We've got a very keen eye on trousers.   And, it's just it's a national bias. We're always looking at people's trousers and say they're not right.  

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How about braces? How about something under trouser braces.  

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What were the with the county emblem running down the brace? Yeah. That would be great. Of course, in America, they call them suspenders. So I'd  

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they do.  

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Oh, so yeah. Okay.  

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Yeah. That's that's more cowboy attire. But one more item, though. I'm really partial to Robin Hood's hat.  

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Oh. Really partial to that. Actually, in your Eli, with your beard, it would possibly suit you. You can you might have a nice feather that goes with it. You want one of those sort of, you know, merry many green in the forest hats. We could probably get one sorted out for you. I'm sure. Yeah. Yeah. You'd look good. You might be slightly closer to Friar Tuck, I suppose, but that that wouldn't be fair of me to say such a thing, but I just did.  

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No. No. No. We're tiny in here for a while. But,   but, yeah. I mean, all image is everything, said another American of tennis player. Andre.   Andre. What's his last name? Not Dawson. Andre.   Andre.   Yeah. No. No. Andre. He he won a couple of titles.   I just can't think of his last name right. Andre Agassi. Sounds French, but he's actually American. Yeah. So yeah. Every   there's everything. Yeah. You impressed me. What's that? You know, that that's a conversation story. What do you what is that? It's oh, it's a bolo.  

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Well, maybe, Eli, when you when you next visit   when you next visit England, not The United Kingdom, you never visit you never ever visit. No one's ever been to The United Kingdom. It's just an ethereal nonsense concept. It doesn't exist. Yeah. But when you next come to England, maybe you'll be going driving through streets with flags flying everywhere, people wearing hats covered in county flags,   and a completely different sense of purpose about the English because it's required. It's absolutely required. It's our duty to bring it back. And we're gonna bring it back. We're gonna bring it back. It's coming back. But the, union union flag Union Jack flag will be defunct. Won't won't won't it, Anna? Surely, we'd have to have another flag,  

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because union jack is I've  

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yeah. I well, I kind of like I like the flag that Paul,   had on the, on the radio station, you know, photo. I think that's amazing. I think the the the, I think the younger generation will really take to that. They will. And I think that I mean, you know, there would be some people that said would state that it was never,   truly an official flag for England.   But,   as we're as we're starting,   with a new beginning,   I'm I I think that we could get away with it. You know? And,   and why not? Because it's just so much more fun than the,   than the other flags. You know, like the gold star.  



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The description of it. It says this, the white dragon flag   is a historical symbol associated with England, particularly the Anglo Saxons and early English kings.   Is often depicted as a white dragon on a red background symbolizing strength,   resilience,   and the spirit of battle.   While not the official national flag, who cares about that,   it holds   significance as an ancient emblem and is sometimes used to represent English heritage. Bingo.   What else do we need? Bam. And you're right that the youth will love it. It's fantastic in t shirts And I'm I'm as I said, I'm clearing my garden. I'm gonna get the most enormous   versions of this, and I'm gonna have them flying   at three corners of my garden.  



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They're just gonna be there, and I'll take I'll take some video footage and show you all in a few weeks when I've got them up because I want them. I cannot wait. I can't wait. We need to talk to your son as well. Yeah. And, because I think we need to involve the youth with all of this. We need to we need to we need to be empowering the youth,   and and let it let them bring all their skills to it,   because that's how we reconnect them with the land and sword jurisdiction,   and we empower them. So this this this ridiculous situation that we're all in now, where we're in a debt slave and we're all bonded slave system   is gone. It's just gone forever. You know?  



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It's history. Can see football I can see football crowds taking this up if we can get it in with leaders in football crowds so that they're all carrying this white dragon. All no matter what team you support,   what county it is, it doesn't matter. You've got two flags. You have a white dragon for for the Anglo Saxon flag as it were of England, and you've got one for your county or your team. It doesn't matter. We can get into all of that stuff. All of that stuff we can get into. Love it. Love it. Love it. Be fantastic. Hannah, it's been absolutely brilliant. Brilliant, Abby. Alright. One last comment from Paul. Anybody wanna say last words before Hannah goes over to a bottle of Chablis or whatever's occurred? Yes. One one last comment.  

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It's   as far as the sheriff's, the sheriff's, yes, most of them are,   they're elected   by the people, but there are a number of places in The United States where the sheriff's are actually appointed.   There are other places in The United States where there is no sheriff at all.   There are other places in The United States where the sheriff is duly elected by the people, but they are shuffled off to Washington DC for two weeks   for indoctrination   and whatever else they do. And when they come back, they're wearing the badge of the people and the stripe on the pant, but they are absolutely no better than the policy enforcers that are at the behest   of the bankers and  

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the corrupt government and the government   judiciary. Same with all the police constables. Same as all the police constables in this country. They start off with good intentions, wanting to, keep the peace and protect the people.   They're trained somewhere,   and they're brainwashed, and then they come out as nothing more than corporate soldiers, armed corporate soldiers,   yet weaponized. They come out as weapons. Dangerous.  

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Yeah. Yeah. Yes. So so talk to your local sheriff. Find out find out if he actually took his oath to the constitution   of your land   seriously.   Find out if he's actually there to protect and serve the people or if he's there to enforce policy.   And if he's there to enforce policy,   you go to work campaigning against him to put somebody in that office that Paul Paul. Amen. We do not we do not have  

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any sheriffs now in England. They exist in Scotland.   In England,   there are ceremonial   sheriffs of the county,   which are absolutely ridiculous. They have absolutely no powers,   or if they have any powers, they do not use them.  

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And it's it it they just don't exist here at the moment. So that's something that we will definitely be looking at. You know what? They're gonna sport the English sheriffs, don't you? And the Americans, of course, have the star, but ours are gonna have a silver   dragon. That's what we'll do. That white dragon.   And I've just thought that's the badge. You're gonna get a silver one. Silver's very   Wow. There you go. So we got that, and you can get you get your sheriff's badge. It's the gear.   They'll all fear the gear. We get the gear out there Yeah. And it's just sending signals out everywhere. Everywhere. Absolutely. It's what we need. Absolutely.  

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Well, lovely. Well, now, we'll let you go, Hannah.  

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Now, gentlemen, we've got to let our dear friend go now because because it's the it's the right thing and polite them to do. Hannah, wonderful. I look I look forward to speaking to you in the weeks to come. I'll try. And we'll do some highlights and stuff like that. And, hopefully, I'll look forward to seeing you up in London on August 11 on that Monday.  

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Amazing. I really enjoyed  

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it. Thank you. Wonderful. Can't wait to have you back. Fantastic. Absolutely wonderful, Hannah. Bye. Really enjoyed it. Bye for now. Bye. Bye bye.   Bye.  

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I was just gonna tell Hannah that god bless. That's all I was gonna say.  

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Well, we'll we're gonna have plenty of opportunities. Yeah.  

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Yeah. You guys will be so,   spiffily attired   that everybody will be envious of your whole movement and wanna join. Yep.  

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Yep. They will. That's a good point. That's a very good point. You know?  

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I think Well, we've talked about this, haven't we, Eric? We've talked about dress.   We've talked about dress. The Freemasons even. Yeah. You you've mentioned regularly, Eric, the fact that people dress like slobs and stuff like this, and I'm not even blaming them. It's just that they do right now. It's not good. If we   provide it's just true it's it's not good you know we dress like children I include myself at times I'm in tracksuit bottoms too after because it's convenient and easy but I'm telling you if I've got a silver   dragon sheriff's badge to put on, it might sort of come out even as a brooch. I could see women wanting one. Don't you think? You know those glittery brooches that lay on the all of this is a signaling system to one another that we are   back, you know. This is England. We're having it back as our forefathers built it connected into all of those good qualities that we come from that are being crushed   by this UCC system, the merchant system, the money power, whatever word we want to use to describe it,   that's being pushed out. So we've got I think, you know, the fact that this is so simple and direct and emblematic   is very important. Symbols have got I think we've kind of covered it. You get everybody's energy going just discussing it. It's just it's not rocket science. It just makes sense. It's an exciting proposition. I agree with you.  



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But, I mean, I find that when I put my whistling flute on sorry. That's Cockney Rhymes laying for suit. You mean you're not wearing it now? Trick for the show. Well,   I'm afraid  

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I'm I'm in shorts as well, but You're in a string vest, aren't you? I know what's going on. Oh, hell.  

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But   peep  

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people actually No. No. No kilts, please.  

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Oh, bloody hell. No. I won't wear skirts, you mean, not kilts.  

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Steady. We've got some proud Scots here listening. They go crazy.  

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Skirts and shirts. Skirts and shirts. There you go.  

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But, no, people actually treat you differently. When you got a whistling flute on, people do treat you differently.   Mhmm. It's it's quite surprising.   But,   I think also what they did in Sweden,   which they said was extremely powerful,   there was the minister of,   oh, it was in who was wanting more and more migration to Swinney   Sweden.   So what they did is they made, like, a,   a dummy up   of this minister,   complete with a face of him and everything in a suit.   And they did you know what they did to Mussolini? Well, they hang him up upside down. They put this dummy   upside down   on a lamppost outside the Parliament building. And it was a it was a January   gray day,   and it was really sinister to see his dummy just hanging there.  

You know? And Yeah. It sent a big message to those inside the building.   A big message. There you go. And things like that. Yeah. Yeah. It it's quite surprising. Yeah.  

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But But if you got the tie, I got the feathers.  

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Yes.  

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Can I sneak in?  

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Sir, hello?   Certainly.  

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Yeah. Am I actually on here? You actually are on here. Hi, guest.   Hello, guest.  

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Paul. Hello? Paul, this is Samuel from Rogers Show. Yeah.   I would like to point out a book for you gentlemen and for the lady that was just on Hannah.   Mhmm. There I actually got my copy. It was the last one I bought on Amazon.   Yep. And it came from Yorkshire   County Library.  

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Right.  

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It's called the Book of the Hundreds, and it's from Helen Cam.   Yep. And she was a medieval   historian   and scholar   that talks about your wonderful country   before and after October.  

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And I've got a copy, Samuel. In the Bay Samuel, I've got a copy. Okay. It's just behind my head.   I mentioned it to her in passing. I've not I've not got around to reading, but you're you mentioned it, I think, on Rogers' show some time ago.   And, I went off and got it. Yep. So absolutely, you know yeah. Well, we will   I'll I'll we'll big that up. We might I'll jump into it. Came from your library.  

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Yeah.  

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I I find that quite quite funny. It can come from Yorkshire County Library. Oh, alright. We've got libraries up there, Samuel. They've got books and things up north as well as whippets and flap caps. We've got books. No. They're very bookish people, Northerners, actually.   But then we all are over it. I suppose we're quite bookish. Listen. Can you just hold the line a second? Because we've got another I've got another person. King Lion is lined up, and I just wanna bring him on too. Okay? Here we go.   King Lion. Hi. Welcome to the show.  



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Hey, Paul. Fantastic show, mate. I had to call you.   It's the first time I've plugged in, and I've got to commend you guys for a sterling show.   Absolutely kicking.   Wonderful. You for for   for the the the information that Hannah dispensed this evening was absolutely   fabulous. It was. Very much required.   Yeah. Absolutely brilliant. Do you know what I mean? So Mhmm. I do hope that, you know, give her another   opportunity to come and keep us updated in relation to developments.  

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But So I won't be leaving her alone. I'll be pestering   her all the time. I've had two fantastically long phone calls even before this, which were nearly as long as this show.   And it's just trying to pair it all down and getting it into little bite sized lumps. But the idea   is hitting everybody that this is simple and direct and there's something that everybody can do that's not gonna cost a fortune but must cost something because that's your kind of commitment into the thing, and we're gonna get away. We're gonna get going with this. It's absolutely key. It'll work. You can feel it's gonna work just in the conversation.   It's gonna   work  

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this. Yeah. And what what is true in terms of what she's saying in terms of the cost, she's absolutely right. Because people only value things if there's a price on it. If you give it away to them for nothing, they don't really appreciate it. So That's right. It must be a cost to your intrinsic,   your intrinsic input into the thing to support the things so the thing can grow and thrive and keep on growing. And we definitely need this. So, again, I'll just take my hat off to you guys.   Fantastic show. I'll be listening in on the regular, and I just wanna say keep on keeping on keeping doing the great work you're doing. We're gonna keep doing that, King Lion. Thanks very much for calling. It's much appreciated. Thank you very much. Thank you.  

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Lovely.  

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Bye bye.   Lovely. Certainly a show tonight, ain't it? Ain't it Paul? Yeah. It's because it's lit the touch paper that we've been nibbling around for two   this is the stuff.   It has. It is. It's It has you it's spot on. It has lit it has lit the touch paper. Mhmm. It really has. And I I wanna thank Lisa again for setting it all up. Lisa, thank you so much for setting this up because she just sent me a message about two or three weeks ago. So do you know about Hannah? I said, no. You need to get in touch. I think she'd be really good on the show. And it's just taken it right into that space of pragmatics, simplicity,   but all rooted the fact that obviously that she has the background that she has, that she comes from the world of the barristers   and found out what it was all about and has gone through certain I mean, she didn't go into all the details, but she was with me the other day.  

Many of the sort of harrowing situations she's had to deal with to get up to this.   It's like what's that phrase? She's got skin in the game. We all have. And I think when you realize that and get it, it it gives you that fire and that urgency about what we're involved with. And that's the thing that's the thing that's to be transmitted and it ignites the spirit literally. This has been a very spirited conversation, I think. It's been high energy all the way through and it was absolutely right, I think, to let Hannah hold court for the first hour. It was I was kinda worn out after that first I don't know what it's like for the listeners. I went, oh, wow. But it was absolutely perfect thing, and we've just moved it on. It's been, a tremendous use of time tonight. It really has.   Can forget all the other shows. This is the only one that counts up to press.  

I don't mean that, but it's,   it's been quite a thing. Yeah. Really has.   So,   a very interesting as well what she said. I thought about that she's not   fully involved with the English counties assembly.   So I don't know how I feel about the word assembly but I'm it'd be very interesting to see us speak   on that Monday. So if you do go along, Eric, there'll be no show that night unless I was even thinking I might be taking my laptop along. We might even be able to pick it up and stream it out over radio soapbox at least and get it sent out that way. If not, yeah, I'll try and get a recording of it because I yeah. It's like tapping into an event, you know. We could just do a live recording. It's just sort of like, and then we go over and, you know, our local reporter, Eric Von Essex, is in the hall and bang. We can go to the well, why not? There he is with his toilet chain and wearing the Fockem Hall garb, which is bloomers in the wind or whatever it's gonna be, Eric.   I don't mind. You know?  



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Yeah. Brilliant. Actually fantastic. Have it all? I see. You do. The thing is not everybody has the whole picture.   And Yvonne writes, she does have some good stuff. She's got a lot of information.   Yeah. And   she's a prolific writer.   However,   she hasn't figured out how to keep the IRS at bay. I mean, they have a full blown judgment for $1,200,000,   and they're selling   they're selling off her property.   So she doesn't have everything, but she has a lot. No. Well, I'd you're right. Doesn't have everything,   you know, with, like, the all caps name and this, that, and the other thing, but he has a lot. He's got the he's got the feudal system and the basis for that. Mhmm. It's   it's gonna take   going back to the county level to the people,   the people as the authority,  

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and, we're just gonna have to rebuild from scratch, I think, because I don't think there's any way to fix the mess. I think you're right. But the blueprint's there, the framework's there, so much good work has been done. It's it's an acknowledgment of all the good work in the past.   Now that it's unearthed and seen for why it was good, you go, well, we want it back. So we're gonna have it back because it turns out that we are the ones that have the power. And I thought particularly when she was talking about the jurors and the experience that they go through, that is so compelling. When she told me on the phone the other day, I just thought this is just a it's so brilliant because you can see people in your mind's eye as she was talking about it   behaving at the highest possible standards they can achieve. And I just thought, you know, I've mentioned here about over here when she said that there's 80,000 trials, they're using that as an excuse to say, well, we can't run jury trials because there's 80,000. So you've gotta let judges decide. No. That means we've now got 80,000 opportunities to run to to build up jury,   experience and expertise in the nation and to and to look at that. That's what we're gonna do. And it's like parking tickets. Every single thing that goes into court, there should be a jury there. It's only a parking ticket. I don't care. Listen to it. So it only took five minutes. Yeah. You can go to the bar now. Let's get on with it. Let's rattle through it. Let's deal with it. Make it alive.  

Whereas what they do with their wordiology,   these colossal documents that nobody can read, no one's got the time to read this stuff. I mean, you've mentioned   before, Paul, that I think in the senate or whatever, they get these bills that come through, nobody reads them. They can't. They're 500 pages long. 100 pages. Yeah. Anybody read this? No. I've just signed it off. What's the point? It's insane. Yeah. And  

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and if anybody has to read it, is to you have to vote on it before you can read it. Once you vote on it, you can read it all you want. Yeah. And, of course, there's absolutely no time. But the the thing is,   80,000   cases, that's absolutely ridiculous because it's all done under statutory   administrative   law, and that is how they are funding the government   through the judiciary.   You gotta get rid of the statutory law and go back to the common law,   and   that is where the juries come in because there actually has to be an injury.   There has to be a loss or a harm   inflicted.  

Who cares if if   you're walking a dog on a beach and there's a municipal code that says dogs aren't allowed there. Yeah.   You get dragged into court for that.   It it's it's absolutely ridiculous. The law is completely  

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out of control.   It's completely absent.   It's not present in our life in terms of the way that it needs to be. You know, I've mentioned a guy here on the show. I just wanna read you a quick thing. I actually put a repost on my, Twitter or x feed the other day. There's a guy, he's called Legal Man. He does,   a podcast called the Quash'. I mentioned it before. It's brilliant. I think it's brilliant. It's definitely US centric. It would be. He's a US lawyer. I might have got his term, but he's a legally trained man.   And,   you got you need to subs if you're on x, he's definitely worth subscribing to and I think he's just opened up his his account so that you can comment on it. Before, up until recently, no one could comment on it but they can now. He wrote this the other day. This is about The US situation   but it really extends here because it's about a principle. He says, I've never heard a single actual explanation for how this system is supposed to work   when the population   openly and obviously totally disagrees with each other about what's even supposed to happen.  

How can such a population ever come together and make it happen? It makes no sense. Then you layer on top of that the fact that the entire government structure is a criminal enterprise   that operates without any actual consent of the people.   Then you layer on top of that the fact that the entire society   is forced to run on a completely fake money system   that's controlled by a small group outside even any ostensible control   except the criminal enterprises of government.   And still people think we can turn things around if we just come together and vote the right way. Lol. How exactly can any of that happen? The delusions are so deeply embedded. It's fascinating to watch. Well, he's absolutely right on that. But I think today we've touched we've more than touched upon,   certainly for here, for this neck of the woods,   At least something that would applies to our culture and our people and that's what's needed. It's got to be local, I. E. National, each nation tapping into their roots of all the good strong men and good men of the past and saying, look, this stuff that was put together   has just been shunted aside, overlaid. We are distracted, you know, the great distractathon,   but we've not been distracted tonight, I would suggest. I think for three hours, we've been absolutely on it. It's been just wonderful.  

I've really enjoyed myself   tonight. Been fantastic. The guy was spot on. Everything he said was absolutely true. It is. And it he's definitely worth subscribing to because it it's all of his posts are shot through   with a complete pragmatic realism about how things actually work   and why you are encouraged to do things which will continue to make it not work, like vote harder. You know, that one. If we wanna, we vote. Right. Yeah. It's just insane. It's nuts. I was,   I was on a feed. I mentioned it, I think, Eric, on your show on Monday. I was on a a live feed from the reform party the other day, and there's lots of good people in the comments. It was on YouTube.   The interesting thing was that after the stream had ended, there were still 500 people on there for three and four hours later banging messages in and out to one another. And of course, you've got people saying, well, I'm voting for them and this is our only chance. And other people saying, no. No. It's no chance at all. He he won't be able to do anything. I'm not blaming him. It's just a matter of, you know, taking this process apart and saying stop doing the voting crap. It's insane. You don't need to do it. It's a waste of time. And the best way we can demonstrate to people that it's a waste of time is by giving   ourselves and them something constructive to do. And I think we've more than touched upon   some very simple steps that many many people could do and, you know, we've talked here about numbers. The fact that Hannah is absolutely onto the numbers thing. This is why when I first started speaking to her, she's saying all these simple things. I'm like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is it. This is it's about numbers. So if you if you get hundreds or thousands of flags   flying in towns, if you get a lot of people turning up doing things, it's a completely different ballgame. It's suddenly go, oh, wow. There's power down there on the street. Yeah. There is. It's in every home and these people are getting clued up. And we've now got something, I think, to put all this communications   technology   behind and say, look. We can we can speed up the process of people, you know, going from a position of I don't know what's going on but I like it. Well, that's good. So get involved. Right? Go with your gut. Right. To, you know, after three months, I now know a little bit more. After a year, I know everything. Right? Good. I know all the real pragmatic   things about how we do it and I even when she was touching on the travelers, it's so true. We are distanced from that. Over here these people are hammered in the culture,   and it's only the negative aspects push. She's right about them being free.  

They their children behave like I used to be able to behave in the sixties just running around in fields and chasing cows and hitting cow pats with golf clubs and, you know, knocking shit all over my that's what I used to do. My mom didn't worry about it. Just be back at seven or six. Your tea's ready. No mobile phones. Nothing. Just life. Absolutely brilliant. Sitting under trees, dreaming about things,   getting creative. That we need all that back. That's what they've crushed out of this thing, obviously, you know. There is one thing that voting does.  

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The voter registration and the voter turnout, the one thing that the voting does is it reaffirms to them that they're bullshit,   that their their fakery and their lies is working, and the bulk of the people are buying it. Yep. That's the problem.  

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It does.   It absolutely does that.   It absolutely does do that.   Anyway,   look, we got a few minutes to go. Eric, I'm looking forward to seeing you in your ball and chain or whatever it's gonna be. It's gonna be good. Oh, yeah. Sheesh. Me me toilet children in my neck. Yeah.  

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I mean, what Yeah. I I One of the things I meant to bring up,  

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so I'm saying this now in case I forget when she's on next or whatever, is about over here public notaries.   I'm interested in the role of public notaries. It's a a downplayed role. But again, as far as I understand,   although this is likely well, obviously still in their system,   public notaries have the power to convene juries.   They can they can do that   within the but, of course, if they're not gonna hold any jury trials, it's a power that's irrelevant if they're not gonna exercise it.   So the idea that we don't even need their system at all and I just this is   such a release of energy because I, you know, absolutely, we don't need any of this stuff. Like you've said, we don't need a government   because it's a menace.  

We would be better off without it. It's an absolute damaging   influence and, you know I I I that's why I keep listening to all the news stuff. I'm trying to hear their language change. It's getting very close but there's someone in the editorial department. They're going they're still saying things like, it's awful what they're doing. This is terribly outrageous. Blah blah blah. Can you believe the management of this country? And whereas the actual communication is the government's our enemy and it's destroying our way of life. It needs to be overthrown. We need to remove it completely. That's the language we're gonna go to. That's the language we've got to go to, you know.  

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Yes. And also using the word treason.   People don't use the word treason very often, but we don't hear it at all now. These people in power are traitors.   Mhmm. And and there's nothing more nothing more to be said. Treason. That's what that it is.  

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Yep.  

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You know? So,   yes.   I think that,   I'm very optimistic  

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after tonight. Very optimistic. And let's keep our fingers crossed. You know? What's your flag like anyway for Essex? What's What's the Essex flag like? Is that what is that what you'd get, or do you get another one? Which one's yours? No. No. Hertfordshire. Because I'm in Hertfordshire, and I.  

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So my one is the stag with the wavy lines underneath.   Stag?   Oh, right. It's a stag. Yes. A bit of a stag. Yes.  

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Nice to say. Yes. I say ladies. Yes. Eric, you stirred muffin.  

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Got a stag party. You   know?   Yeah. A bit of a laugh, ain't it?   Anyway,   I don't know about you, but I've been up early this morning. I'm a bit of cream clackard.   By the way,   are you coming on on Monday?  

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I don't know what we're gonna talk about. Everything's gonna be completely, like, we're gonna have to rev it up now. We're gonna have to gonna have to take extra pep tab tablets. We've gotta I wanna stay on this really big time. So,   but I think it Which about what Well, we can't everything that we talk about dovetails into this, but this sort of gives an action point and that's so useful. And I know that there are there are other people working with her on other sides. And when she was talking about my son and stuff like that because I just mentioned I said look if you want us to develop shops to sell this stuff I'm happy to help. I really want to do it because   we can we these flags are already being made. You can get that flag right. You can get the flag with the white dragon on it. There are people making them. All sorts of so there are flagmakers everywhere. Yeah. That whole thing. I just I like the idea of a pencil though.  

I'm just nicking your idea, mate. We like a pencil. The pencil is mightier than the sword, you know. It is. And we can use it to work things out, can't we? So get your pencil and we can work anything out with a pencil and a piece of paper. Easy peasy lemon squeezy. So And I also like the idea what the kamikaze pilots wore. That's a bandana tied round with the county logo on the front of the bandana.  

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That's another powerful thing.   And also in the back of your car.   The county sign in the back of your car.   Yeah. Just you could print that off and stick it stick it in your window.   See? So there's a thousand one things we can do.  

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That's right. I can't wait for my flags to end here. I'm telling you. We get a lot of wind here.   Of of all of all varieties. No. It's it's it was the home of,   where I'm reasonably sure, you know windsurfing when they put sails on surfboards? Yeah. Yeah. I think it started here. I'm serious,   because there's no surfing. You can't go surfing,   even though they've tried to build artificial,   reefs down the coast, which they have, I think. They put sort of the, you know, 8,000 tons of concrete or something and it Yeah. Causes it to kick up.   But all of the windsurfing stuff where was I going with this? I've got completely at my rear end. Oh, yeah. We it means we've got a lot of wind. We do. And the flags down here,   there's a Canadian flag that flies all the time because it was a staging point for World War two. Lots of Canadian troops here. Here. It gets all the flags get shredded in the wind. You only have to go back after two or three weeks and they're just torn to bits because the wind gets really strong. It's just blowing and they just get it's quite good. So probably a lot of resale of flags around here. It's probably a thriving little business   busyness.  

But, you know,  

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But but you can actually get flags easy. They're they're made on the Internet. It's surprising what you can get on the Internet. You know? Tinta net. I eBay.   EBay.   That's my favorite. I don't really go much on Amazon, but eBay is my my fave. And you well, that's where I got the pencils from. Dirt cheap, and they got machines.   But, anyway,   excuse me. I'm gonna zoom off now. I'll speak I'll speak to you probably sometime tomorrow, Paul.  

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Been great,   Eric. Been great, Paul. Been great, Eli. Thanks. Fantastic, Hannah, even though I know you're not here. And for everybody   that's been   typing away like mad, as you can tell, it was difficult to read things because we were so in it and on it tonight. It's been quite a show, different sort of energy level, which has just been fantastic.   We look forward to talking about a lot more and making flags available as soon as we can get our act together. I'm I wanna get all that sorted out and shirts or any other ideas. We're gonna go into the tut business, and it's gonna be the most powerful tut you ever saw in your life. So Yeah. It gives us something to focus on. Wonderful. Fantastic. Have a cracking weekend, Eric and everybody else, and, we'll be back same we'll be back same time next week. Eric's here with Fulgham Hall on, Sundays and Mondays at 8PM, so tune in for that.   And,   if you want the Telegram channel, you'll find the link on paulenglishlive.com.  

God bless you all. Here we go. A bit of fun coming up and a bit more than that. See you next week. Bye for now. Bye.