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Thursday March 6th · UK 8pm · US 3pm eastern

The Crusader's Return
High deeds achieved of knightly fame,
From Palestine the champion came;
The cross upon his shoulders borne,
Battle and blast had dimm'd and torn.
  - Sir Walter Scott
(complete poem at https://shorturl.at/6cHJa)

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Welcome to episode 79 of Paul English Live, recorded on the 3rd of June, 2025. In this special 'grotty' edition, Paul, despite battling a persistent cold, dives into a fascinating discussion about the Crusades. Joined by Patrick from Wisconsin and Eric, the conversation meanders through historical insights, personal anecdotes, and the peculiarities of language and culture.

The show explores the motivations behind the Crusades, the logistics of medieval warfare, and the socio-political dynamics of the time. Paul shares insights from the book 'God's Battalions' by Rodney Stark, highlighting the surprising facts and the enduring impact of these historical events.

Amidst the historical discourse, the episode also touches on contemporary issues, including the nature of modern warfare, the role of propaganda, and the pervasive influence of usury. The hosts discuss the challenges of addressing these issues today and the potential for a return to moral and ethical governance.

In a lighter vein, the episode features humorous interludes, including a poem about a Crusader's wife and a comedic clip from Spike Milligan. The conversation also delves into the intricacies of language, the power of storytelling, and the enduring relevance of historical narratives.

Join Paul and his guests for a thought-provoking journey through history, culture, and the complexities of modern life, all delivered with a touch of humour and a dash of British wit.

[00:00:13] Unknown:

Well, hello,   good evening, and all that kind of stuff. What day is it? It's Thursday, isn't it? Oh, gosh. I'm grotty. This is gonna be a special grotty edition of Paul English live.   But, of course, even though it's grotty, this means that it's just way, way ahead of all the non grotty sort of shows.   This is episode 79.   What's the date? 03/06/2025.   Welcome to the show.   And although we're not gonna be focusing on it exclusively   this evening, I'm hoping that a little goodly chunk of the show we're gonna talk about, the Crusades.   You remember those? I don't. And the Crusaders,   and, the Crusaders, of course, are gonna be joining me in the studio.  

Oh, I do like a good mute button, don't you?   Mutus   and all that kind of stuff. I'm sorry for sounding so grotty.   I was grotty actually a couple of months ago.   I got grotty from about December   through to,   mid January. That was my first grotty period, a bit like a postmodernist period for a for   a painter. And of course then everything was just marvelous, but   around about a week back, just over a week ago, I picked up something or other. And I've just been having a lot of fun really.   Showed up on   Ria Bose show this Sunday, quite grotty then. Still a bit grotty. It's taking quite a bit of time to shake off. So I know these sorts of things possibly don't irritate you, but they bloody well irritate me when they're going on. And, I can't believe I've had two. It's a bit like that proverbial bus situation. I hadn't had any for about five years. Now they're rolling up all the time. So something strange going on. I'm gonna blame the fog.   Not that we get much fog,   down here. Actually, you'd think we would. Although yesterday, we did. I just wanted to automatically contradict myself right at the beginning of the show. We had your English traditional p super. It really was   you couldn't see your hand in front of your face. Actually, that's a bit of a lie, but vision was down to about 10 yards. It was that,   it was that tight was the fog. I haven't seen one for a long time. It was pretty weird, really.  

So I was driving very slowly trying to avoid all the other cars that were driving much, much quicker than me because I'm very, very careful. So that made for an interesting evening. Last night's evenings of fog,   coughing, and all that kind of stuff. So anyway, enough about me.   Welcome, everyone to the show.   Loosely the theme of this of today's show is we're gonna talk a bit about the Crusades.   Not necessarily   completely historically in a totally precise and accurate type of way, not that we're seeking to make any errors.   But I just wanted to talk about,   a book I've been reading recently and to possibly   mention a a few possibly hopefully more than a few depending on how well my brain's gonna work this evening. Salient facts from it. Very surprising things actually. They were to me.  

But before we get into all that, let me introduce to you   the crew or the crew the crusaders   maybe for tonight. Although it's a little bit awkward and a very thin connection.   Anyway,   over in over across the water on the other side of the world, almost nearly, or the other side of the flat plain depending on what you like.   Patrick in Wisconsin. Good evening or good afternoon, sir. How are you?   Oh, I'll tell you what. We cannot hear you because I've got you all on mute. So let me do that again. Are you ready? Good good afternoon. How are you?  

[00:04:31] Unknown:

Good evening, Paul. I'm doing quite well. How about yourself? Yeah. Yep.  

[00:04:36] Unknown:

The the the whatever you've got there. Apart from the lurking. Yeah. The cough. Yeah. I actually don't feel that bad. It's just sort of I don't really. I don't sort of feel but,   I thought wasn't I talking to you earlier about, I was thinking about recording, you know, my voice, because I'm very vain. No. For these, to get a voice profile for these AI robots and all that kind of stuff. Well, I can't record it right now. Otherwise, everything I do will just be read out by this literally by this snotty Englishman, which of course is not really what anybody wants. But No. I'm not too bad. I've got lashings of water   and,   lashings of,   lashings of tissues, you know, just in case I have to really have a good English nasal pop.  



[00:05:18] Unknown:

And, my finger's not far from the mute button. But other than that, I'm not too bad. How are you? You chugging along okay? Yeah. I'm chugging along okay. We got a bunch of snow a couple days ago, and it's gradually melting, but it was a pain to get it all   plowed up and   out, you know, get out and about.   One of our neighbors had the unfortunate,   accident to   fall into the ditch and hit a tree. And I I hope they're okay. I think they're okay. They didn't look too bad, but you never know with people. It looked like they walked out of it   alive. So Yes. Yeah. You gotta be careful out there when it comes to Is that a technical term, Patrick? A a bunch of snow. Is that A bunch of snow. Yep. A bunch is  

[00:06:02] Unknown:

Is it a bunch? Is it a bunch, Eric? Eric, is it a bunch? I don't know whether it's a bunch or not. Is it a bunch?  

[00:06:08] Unknown:

I don't know. I've never heard of a bunch of snow, but I remember,   many years ago, and I'm going back to when I was about five Yeah. My, parents went into a supermarket. There was a Canadian supermarket   that sold Canadian goods. Didn't last very long in this country. And they picked up a sauce bottle, and the instructions said, put a dollop of sauce on your meal. And they thought that was very amusing. Put a dollop of sauce on your meal. Yeah. We know what a dollop is, don't we? We know what a dollop is. Yeah. We like dollops. A dollop of potted cream. Yeah. Yeah. Of it. Right?  

[00:06:43] Unknown:

I I thought it may be in Americanism. I always remember there's a isn't there a clip in sort of,   one of these Monty Python documentaries? Because,   what's his name? Terry Gilliam was the American.   They always used to refer to him in very sort of patronizing, but very sort of endearing and funny way. He's from around here. He's a Minnesotan.   Oh, this explains it. This explains it because they said they were flying   over the Great Lakes, I think. All of them. Yeah.   And Terry Gilliam looks out of the window and says, look down there. There's a great bunch of water. So it's obviously   a Wisconsinism.  



[00:07:17] Unknown:

This thing about bunches of snow and bunches of water or bunches of lakes. Is that right? You know you know, this whole area used to be called New France before it was America. So   a New French ism. I don't know what you would call it. But, yeah, bunch bunches of grapes, bunches of Bunches. Yeah. Apples. I don't   yeah.  

[00:07:35] Unknown:

Snow. Well, I never It's like ever make a snowman with It's a bit like the woman that rushed into a police station. She said, help. Help. I've just been griped.   And the bloke said, be griped. She said, surely, madam, you mean raped? She said, no. There's a bunch of them.   Sorry.  

[00:07:54] Unknown:

And that   and that after only eight minutes of broadcasting. Tremendous.   That is fantastic.   I see that Paul's with us, although he might only be there in graphic,   representation only. Paul, are you there? Are you are you communicative or are you not? Let's listen. I'm actually here. Hey. Hi. There you are. You're kinda quiet as well.   You're kinda quiet at the moment. A little quiet there. Well, I'm gonna have I'll I'll definitely have to fix that. Yeah. Yeah. Just I can possibly fix it. Don't worry. We've got we've got volume controls in England as well, you know. We have got them. Oh. I think we do. Turn it off off the phone. Just don't you adjust anything. Just stay there. Go on. Keep talking.   I'm going to Yeah. You're there now. I've got you. Don't worry. Well, you're cool. We got you.  

Yeah. I had you really cranked down. I don't know why. Your mic settings were very low at my end. So my fault. There you go. But at least we got to talk about microphones for a few seconds, didn't we? Which is always a good thing. But but but but but but why? But why? What? Oh, I know. It was probably like one of the other shows.  

[00:09:01] Unknown:

I had a mic open or a line open, and there was, like, an obnoxious noise, and you went in there and attenuated  

[00:09:06] Unknown:

me. I think it was from last week, actually. You were bloody loud. I but I never say things like bloody loud on the radio and,   except then when I have to describe it as bloody loud. So that's really what it was. But, anyway, how are you? How's the ice going?   How's the guttering   bearing up? What's going on? We want to know. We're very keen to know   Paul's fight against the guttering. Has  

[00:09:30] Unknown:

the ice has yet to succumb to gravity.   I'm I'm just saying. Really? It has yet to get into gravity. It's still up there. It's a big bunch of ice, is it? That's where it'll be. It's a big bunch of ice. And I could say that because I'm from Minnesota, and I did go through Wisconsin on on my way to New York.  

[00:09:49] Unknown:

So, you know, I I had a few hours to pick up the lingo on my way through the state. You know? It's it's good. I don't mind bunch. That's good. And I know I've we've we've all spoken here, but a quick, more than a quick, actually, a good shout out to everybody,   in Rumble.   Welcome,   Rumblers. So just to let you know, you're listening here to Paul English live on WBN,   three to four. We're here every Thursday, 03:00 US eastern, eight o'clock in The UK for a couple of hours. And, our main home for chat whilst we're rolling out over the radio airwaves is on Rumble. If you feel as though you have to type things and probably probably if you don't feel it now, you will do at some point soon in your life. It just comes upon all of us. Head on over to, paulenglishlive.com   and click the Rumble link. It'll bring you into the Rumble channel,   and you can join all the other   rumble grumblers there who are always making pithy and rather withering comments every week. So shout out to all of you. I'm not gonna do it all by name, but   that's,   great to see you all here this weekend and, this week, in fact. Actually, today.  

Oh, god.   And,   today's picture image. Now if you're on radio, you haven't seen the image. But,   for my sins, I run around and try and pick up a good image for the week. And I just want to let you know,   who that is in in today's picture. It is in fact, of course,   Richard the Lionheart. Sorry. He also had a very bad cough. And, Richard the Lionheart, as painted by the great American illustrator. Look at how I offer out peaceful donations here. NC Wyeth, who I've used for   other illustrations in the past. And if you're not familiar with the illustrations of N. C. Wyeth, spelt w y e t h,   you should be. If you like even if you don't like good illustrations,   you will if you look at his. The fantastic book illustrator   from about a hundred years ago, actually. Maybe a little bit older than that. Maybe a little bit younger than that. He had a long career anyway.  

Did a great illustrated version of Treasure Island, and this, I think, is his illustrated it's a book called The Crusades.   And this is, of course,   mister Lionheart out in the desert about to chop someone's head off, which he did quite regularly. So there we go. How about that? Now before we sort of jump on yeah. Who said that? Who said that?  

[00:12:12] Unknown:

Nice  

[00:12:13] Unknown:

guy. Nice guy. Chopping people's heads off and stuff. Well, he wasn't alone. Head chopping off was the order of the day no matter what sword your sword or even side you were on. No matter what side of the sword you were on even. So,   your lot of chopping off of heads and propelling of them through the air using catapults.   All of that stuff's absolutely true. I'm assuming,   most of you here, maybe you haven't, but certainly many of them   will have seen the, Lord of the Rings trilogies   from good grief twenty five years ago now. Can't believe this. And, you will have probably remember that certain   battle sequences where the,   the city is it Minas Tirith? I'm not a nerd with all this stuff. I can just remember a few things. Right?  

Is under siege and heads are being fired into the inner city.   Heads chopped off of their soldiers who obviously have lost their lives and are in the process of losing their heads as well. So this is quite that's based on historical precedent. Certainly, the, the Crusaders   and the Saracens   or the Moors or the Muslims, however you want to refer to them,   they all indulged in a bit of head throwing. So probably the probably the origins of the shot put. I don't know.   But,   they were grisly times anyway. But before before I even sort of shoot onto that, just as an open question to all of you, don't really mind,   who do you know anything much at all about the Crusades?  

It's not a I'm not it's not a trick question at all. I'm just trying to find out, you know, what What oh, Robin Hood.  

[00:13:45] Unknown:

Yeah. Most people know about Robin Hood. So They do? Yeah. That time period Yeah. Is what we're talking about.  

[00:13:52] Unknown:

You got any knowledge of it, Eric?  

[00:13:55] Unknown:

None whatsoever.   Absolutely. Draws a blank.   At school,   we didn't cover that. We we just covered the kings and queens and,   Yeah. You know? And I was so bored at history. I love history now, but when I was at school,   I actually got one of my old school books. I found   found one a couple of years ago. And,   I actually   repeated wished to have to copy down what the teacher written on the blackboard.   And I'd actually copied it down three times. I didn't realize it. I was so bored. I was so asleep.   Just used to just write, and it just went in one ear and out the other, unfortunately.  

[00:14:31] Unknown:

Which ear did it go in first, though? Which Which ear do you think it went in first? The right ear or the sorry. I'm always interested in direction flow. Yeah. I know what you mean. I think I absorbed a lot of history stuff in the background without really paying attention to it. I always remember having a book about was it? I think it was the English civil war or it's about Charles the first and all that kind of stuff, you know. And I opened them. There was a they were illustrated with illustrations from the day and there was a picture of someone pointing an accusing finger at somebody else.   And, it looked quite good apart from the fact that some others wag, some other schoolboy had put a speech bubble in there.  

And the speech bubble   caused me to become very distracted because what was coming out of the mouth of the man with the pointing of finger was, it just said, because one doesn't forget things like this, chop his balls off.   And,   I think that history book was probably   rude was probably ruined. Yeah. I that was my response at the back of the history lesson. Mister Simmons was not well pleased. What are you laughing   at there, boy? Yeah. Sorry, sir. Nothing much. No. It's fine. Absolutely nothing.   Please go on, sir. I'm fascinated.   So, yeah, chop his balls off. Now, actually, testicles are gonna come up a little bit later, actually, in an amazing clip that I've got for you, so bear that in mind.  

It's all relevant.   So   so you know about Robin Hood, Patrick.   Which you might do, I suppose. And we know about that. That period, you know, I mean, the bit that I wanna talk about with regards to this book, which is, God's Battalions by Rodney Stark.   And if you want a good book to read, everybody out there, I think I might have mentioned this last week. I've finished just about the bulk of it, and I couldn't be bothered to sort of wait another week,   because this is not meant to be a sort of precise book review. It's more like a kind of, just a blast, a kind of blast through it, and I wanted to sort of mention certain points.   It's an ama it's an it's a book, Eric, for you because   ten days ago, I would say that my knowledge of this period of history or the meaning of it and all that kind of stuff was at the same level that yours is at right now, which is the very reason why I've been sort of jumping on the book and wanted to actually have a look at it and, and and get to grips with it. And what I will say about it in its,   in a positive way,   because I don't have enough information to be hypercritical about it, which is really rather nice, you know. Yeah. I hate it when you sort of panicky about things, is,   the author Rodney Stark,   who I did go off and try and find because I thought, oh, this is fantastic. I've gotta get him on the show. Right? Of course, he's not alive.  

He actually wasn't in the crusades. He's not that old.   He died just a few years ago actually. American author, which,   and he's written quite a few books about this period and formations of church systems and things like this.   Not necessarily   a religious man himself from the little bit I've been able to glean about him so far.   But he says in the foreword that he's written this for the layman,   and I think you can't write books better than that. I'm quite serious about this. I think books that are written for the layman   are always the ones that I've tended to remember the most. They're the ones that are the   easiest to get to grips with, and he does a brilliant job of laying out a lot   of key facts about this event.  

And I'm just talking about the first one that happened under Pope Urban. Funny name. I always thought it was odd. U r b a n, Pope Urban.   The second, was it? Patrick would know better than me. I don't have a big popometer.   Have you got a popometer, Eric? Have you got one?  

[00:18:05] Unknown:

I don't.   Well, actually, I did have one, but it fell off. So, the wheels fell off. So, I I you know?  

[00:18:14] Unknown:

No. You've lost your popometer.  

[00:18:16] Unknown:

Where's the popometer gone? Popometer.  

[00:18:19] Unknown:

Bloody   hell. They have been right since, actually, since we pop oh, wait. So the wheels fell off. You know? Well, I think Frankenm Hall should get back get those back into production, the popometers.  

[00:18:29] Unknown:

They'd be highly popular at Christmas, wouldn't they? I don't know. Maybe they wouldn't be. Fun for all the family. Well, actually, no. Actually, I've got what I've got for next Christmas is the  

[00:18:38] Unknown:

Observer's Book of, Venereal Diseases.   That's a really good one for Christmas mealtime, isn't it? For fun for all the family, you   know. I  

[00:18:47] Unknown:

thought it was pretty easy to sort of observe. I don't want to observe that sort of thing. Why would I want to observe it, Eric? This is the main problem.  

[00:18:57] Unknown:

Good   Lord, Eric.  

[00:19:00] Unknown:

Good grief. Bloody hell.  

[00:19:01] Unknown:

Of spluttering here. Am I transmitting the disease? Oh, Lord. Can.   Am I transmitting coughs everywhere?  

[00:19:09] Unknown:

And and I don't know. The the mental picture that that it just just tightened my throat. Just   oh, I can't believe he just said that.   Oh, gooey.  

[00:19:22] Unknown:

Actually, I've got a good cure for both your colds if you both got a cold.   May have said it before.  

[00:19:29] Unknown:

But I didn't have one before you said that. Ah, well I'm just going on record. It comes from a bad one before you said that.  

[00:19:37] Unknown:

After the, flu thing in me, Bob, in 1918   or if you believe it or not, I don't know. But, anyway, the American government put out a tender for any company that could find a cure for the flu.   And Arm and Hammer won it.   And they came up with an idea because arm and hammer are the people that do the toothpaste and the bicarbonate of soda,   where you put half a very very stingy half   of, of a teaspoon full   of water,   in a beaker, and then put half a teaspoon full of baking soda or bicarbonate soda in it. And drink that every two hours,   the first signs you get a cold.  

And then   next day, every four hours, and then the third day, once in the morning and once in the evening.   And, apparently,   it, turns your body from acid to alkaline, and a cold   cannot survive in an alkaline environment.   And people took it out. It's fantastic. This is in the early twenties. Oh, because only big pharma went   and put a squash on it, and nobody heard of it. Pharma went dysapoptic.   And there's medical papers on this as well. If you wanna look them up, they're actually online. There's medical papers. I did medical research into it. And I said it was very good. So there we are. Eric, yeah. That's Is that a good one? Get a when I get a cold like that, I take Alka Seltzer,  

[00:21:00] Unknown:

and that seems to do quite well. And I suppose that's where you get the Alka the Alka line from.  

[00:21:06] Unknown:

Hey. I like that.   I like that. My grandma used to give me an alka seltzer or Andrews, which is a similar sort of liver salts as a treat on a Sunday. We were very exciting when I was young, but I loved it because the bubbles used to go up your nose. You know that? Do you have do you have a Yes. It's great. Very exciting. You're about five. Oh, I've got bubbles on my nose. Yes. But Michael had the best cure. He'd always advise he said, if you got a cold,  

[00:21:30] Unknown:

you should go straight to bed with a hot woman, and I think he's quite a good idea, isn't it? Yeah. I'm sorry. Although you you may remember a few weeks ago, I played those clips of all those,  

[00:21:41] Unknown:

British types telling you their wonderfully wacky and very interesting,   cures for a cold. I've I, of course, have had a sock. Socks. Yeah. I've I've got an old sock around my neck,   secured in place with a with a clothes peg.   I don't know what good it's doing, but it's keeping everybody away from me. I can tell you that. So I've got quite a bit of peace and quiet. It's not too bad. Yeah. I understand.  

[00:22:04] Unknown:

That's that's very similar to the the whole thing,   like garlic necklace.   It, you know, keeps vampires and everybody else, you know, away. But, Patrick,   question for you. You're a member in the seventies, eighties. I don't know how old you are, but in the seventies and the eighties, the Alka Seltzer came out with an Alka Seltzer plus cold and flu.   Yeah.   And   you could drop a couple of those tablets in a glass of water and drink it down, and it would   literally   eliminate your cold much much sooner   than one would normally expect. You know what? I have not seen that  

[00:22:46] Unknown:

Yeah. I think well, they still have   it. I've I've used   it back Well, I've seen it. Few months ago.  

[00:22:53] Unknown:

Obviously, I'm not looking in the right place, but that but that just struck me. You know, with Eric's thing about the, the Alka Seltzer and and the the   baking soda   and all that.  

[00:23:05] Unknown:

Oh, and then there's You learned something new every day. Slogan was plop plop fizz fizz. Oh, what a relief it is. Oh, what a relief it is.  

[00:23:12] Unknown:

Oh, I like that. Let's ping back. Plop plop fizz fizz. Oh, that's a good one.  

[00:23:18] Unknown:

Yeah. That's good. Yep. What were we talking about? Their, Oh. Do you remember was it Mackasan? No. Was it was it, what was that drink,   Paul? Looks good, tastes good, by golly, it does you good. It was Mackasan.  

[00:23:31] Unknown:

It was a stout. It was a it was the stout competitors of Guinness, wasn't it?  

[00:23:36] Unknown:

That's right. And what happens   is every night, this fellow will come on the television and say, looks good, tastes good,   and certainly does you good. And then one evening,   he said, looks good, tastes   good, looks around at looks straight into the screen and says, yeah. That's right.   Because he knew everybody would say, does you good.   That was a very clever piece of advertising.  

[00:23:56] Unknown:

Looks good, tastes good, and by golly, it does you good. Yeah. That's it. Yes. Well, of course, it's it's prescribed for pregnant women,   isn't it? Is it? Yeah. It is. Yeah. But Guinness is. It's okay for finished. For you get yeah. Well, Guinness, anything simply because the iron content I mean, I don't know how they brew it these days, but it was to do with the iron content  

[00:24:17] Unknown:

in stout. The malt the malt in it is good for they they used to give malt syrup as kind of a a vitamin   rich,   elixir.  

[00:24:27] Unknown:

That's why most of the babies up north are born drunk,   I suppose.  

[00:24:32] Unknown:

Slightly drunk northern babies. Well, it doesn't need to be fermented. It's just straight malt syrup.  

[00:24:37] Unknown:

Yeah.   Yeah.  

[00:24:43] Unknown:

Anyway   So so the popes. Alright?   I I I'm  

[00:24:48] Unknown:

trying to think of the popes, the particular ones that would have started. You said urban, one of the urban Well, let me read you this opening paragraph from the introduction to the book. It just sets the tone for a few things.   It just says this. This is just give you an idea of the dates. So this is just thirty years after the Battle of Hastings. Right? Ten well, just under October. It it says this.   On November   1095,   pope Urban the second, u r b a n, because he wasn't born that. I forgot it. He was a Frenchman, actually. He was he was French or a French cleric or whatever.   His name pops up somewhere on later on in the text, but we don't need to remember that right now because there's not gonna be an exam.  

Mounted a platform set up in a meadow outside the French city of Clermont,   surrounded in all directions by an immense crowd. A vigorous man of 53,   Urban was blessed with an unusually   powerful and expressive voice   that made it pass possible for him to be heard at a great distance. On this memorable occasion,   addressing a multitude that included poor peasants as well as nobility and clergy, the pope gave a speech that changed history.   Urban had arranged the gathering in response to a letter from   Alexius   Komnenos,   emperor of Byzantium,   who had written from his embattled capital of Constantinople,   or is it Istanbul,   to the count of Flanders,   requesting that he and his fellow Christians send forces to help the Byzantines   repel the Seljuk Turks,   recent converts to Islam who had invaded the Middle East, captured Jerusalem,   and driven to within 100 miles of Constantinople.  

In his letter, the emperor detailed gruesome tortures of Christian pilgrims   to the holy land and vile desecrations of churches, altars, and baptismal fonts.   Should can Constantinople   fall to the Turks, not only would thousands more Christians be murdered, tortured, and raped, but also   the most holy relics of the savior gathered over the centuries would be lost. Therefore, in the name of God, we implore you to bring this city   all the faithful soldiers of Christ.   In your coming, you will find your reward in heaven, and if you do not come, God will condemn you. So pretty clear.   And that's how the book starts.  

And, this speech was colossally successful. And he goes on to explain why it was colossally successful.   And a lot of the background as to why they couldn't, for example,   raise,   a crusade, I think, round about August   because there was just as much reason to do it then.   The dates being that,   Mohammed having arrived in the world, I think, early six hundreds,   by within the next a hundred and eighty years, by the late seven eighties,   they had taken over vast swathes of formerly Christian   towns, cities, and coastline all around the Mediterranean   and murdered a considerable number of Christian people Charlemagne. Along along the way.  

Charlemagne. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.   And there is a there's a an immense battle, the Battle of Tours,   which took place, I think, about July.   This is the one in which Charles Martel,   basically defeated a colossal   Islamic army   pretty bit now by colossal. I think it was colossal by their times, but it's still pretty big. It's something like 25 to 30,000.   The Battle of Tours, nobody knows exactly where it is, but,   it was a 50   miles south of Paris.   That's how far they got in. A 50 miles south of Paris.   Yeah. And one of the comments was that had he not won that battle,   right now, we wouldn't be speaking English. We probably would be speaking Arabic or something else. And America would have not been called America, would have been called The United States Of Arabia or something like that. I I don't know what it might be called.  

Yeah? Highly likely. Highly likely. And so these are pivotal events, which, of course, we do take for granted because you're just born into the world that you're born into. You find out how it works later on, don't you? But,   yeah, that's how the book starts.   That's how the book starts. And,   it's just it's full of spectacular facts and details. For for example, let me give you one.   I think that really struck me. One of the reasons why,   the previous ones hadn't been successful, the previous sort of   appeals to the nightly class   to get on their horses and go down there was that there was never really any promise of booty,   and they needed it.  

And,   so it wasn't there. So they were they didn't think that they could really drum up support, but this one was different. There were no promises of booty either,   but it worked.   And it worked because of the ongoing   battles that they were all now aware of that had been happening, particularly with the Moors, I. E. The Moroccans. That's how they get their name just like from Morocco,   working their way into Spain.   And they were defeated by the Franks in Northern Spain,   and much of the Franks moved over to, I guess, what is kind of Northern Portugal really to as an enclave to see that out.   But many of them went down and of a of all the knightly class   and France, in this case, supplied the bulk of the this for this first crusade because there are many. I think there are there are men there are reckoned to be nearly eight, I think, according to those things you sent over to me a bit earlier, Patrick.  

Of all the knights that were available,   just 15%   went.   15%.   And the reason it was just 15%, and they were all really on for it, and they were all going without the idea of actually picking up loads of booty. Now towards the Middle Crusades, they did start to pick up booty   because it was around because of these cities that they went into, but that's another story.   And,   the cost of sending   one night down there   was so considerable,   that many of these families who had several sons that were knights and would send them all, they were completely devoted to the defense of Christendom.   This is really what inspired them. They weren't just sort of some colonialist thugs at all.  

The cost was through the roof. So,   one of the things there's a very interesting bit where he's going through the economics of it all   about what you would need.   And a knight would need at least three horses,   at least   three. There's the battle horse and they they were big with the European battle horses because we had farriers. They've been fitted with shoes.   And,   not that the shoes made the horses big, but it made the horses much more formidable,   in terms of the sort of ground that they could fight on and do on and all this kind of stuff. And they were bigger than the Arabian horses that they were about to encounter.   So you have to have at least one battle horse. And if you're fortunate, you'd have two because the first one's probably gonna get shot out from underneath you at some point.  

And you need two other horses to carry your armor and all your other supplies.   Then you need,   servants to look after the horses and feed them along the way.   Then you need your money which at the time was metal coin, which was heavy.   And so you'd go down in groups of knights and they one of the little groupings would be the treasurer as it were with a big casket, you know, and that needed guards against it as well. So you start   to tot up all the logistics   and it's and then you go, how fast are we gonna be able to get down there? Oh, that'll be walking pace. So you've got to plan for all of that and it's two and a half thousand miles away.   So you'd have to say that anybody that took that was determined to the nth degree and   one of the really amazing statistics of the first one again is that 60,000   infantry and knights set off. There were more way more than that, but the main body of 60,000   set off. And by the time they got down to,   into that territory,   it may even I thought I think it would it's probably Jerusalem, but there's actually it's Antioch, I think, to get as far as   that. Only 15 big thing. Yeah. Only 15,000   had made it.  

45,000   of them died   before they even got to the first battle. I mean, that's serious. And why did they die? Well, they died from disease along the way. Some died from starvation.   Many died from fighting,   not with one another. This is being mad. Right? Although that did kinda happen as well. But as you've got this large body of armed men building up from all these different sort of trails and then moving through Romania and Hungary, I think particularly,   the kings of Romania and Hungary were naturally very anxious. When you you don't think about these things until they're laid out in front of you on a sheet of paper, you start thinking about it.   And, they were, I think, very anxious because tens of thousands of armed blokes with swords who were extremely proficient at at killing. This has to be born in my right. These were knights. They were trained from an early age to just fight   all the time, and they were up for it all the time. That was their entire life.  

And, they were rightly concerned, so there were a lot of battles along the way   and obviously,   thousands killed.   Some horrific things between forces that really should have been unified,   but everybody's protecting their own stuff, which is another thing that happens as well.   So,   quite astonishing,   really, the fortitude that they had to show and the determination to get down there.   There's even talks about crossbows and crossbow teams.   Although, I don't know if it was in this particular book, but I went and looked up a bit on crossbows   because they fire a bolt,   and, absolutely lethal, the crossbows.  

The pope tried to ban them, didn't he? Probably did ban them for a bit, Patrick, didn't he? I I think you're right.   He did. It was deemed to be unsporting or something, not gentlemanly to kill people with a crossbow,   For the simple reason that you didn't need to be highly skilled to use it because it was so accurate a bit like a rifle really whereas a longbowman   had to understand   also a lot of other different things.   But a longbowman could operate solo whereas a crossbowman, they were in teams of three, at least two,   but usually three. So they'd have   the guy firing the crossbow,   they'd have another guy with the second crossbow loading that up. He was the reloader   and looking after the bolts, which are shorter than an arrow shaft.  

They don't travel as far, but they're incredibly accurate,   like a rifle, really. That was the whole thing about them and and carried such force behind it. And the third guy with a huge shield be behind which all three of them were there trying to make sure that a bolt didn't go through their neck or head.   So,   yeah, these crossbow teams went down there. A lot of crossbowmen as well.  

[00:35:44] Unknown:

Paul, the thing with the crossbow is the Bolt   travels so fast.   It's not   as formidable   as a long narrow Mhmm. Because it doesn't have the weight, but it has momentum.   Like, no tomorrow.  

[00:36:00] Unknown:

I know. I know. I mean, I was looking up crossbows over here. I really wanna go fire one, actually. We've got a rifle range around here for shotguns and things like that, and I keep meaning to set my lads up there. Maybe when the spring comes and it's just about upon us, we'll go do that.   I I last went clay pigeon shooting about thirty years ago and nearly put my shoulder out, but it's a lot of fun. You know, it's like you don't shoot. Do, Paul? You get one of those pistol crossbows?  

[00:36:25] Unknown:

Yeah. And then and then you just get, like, a big thick phone book, and you you practice indoors.  

[00:36:30] Unknown:

Yep.  

[00:36:32] Unknown:

Yeah. I won't mind. I mean, it's You can make your own, actually. There's loads on t on YouTube that show you that. More skill. Yeah. It's a little bit more. But the thing is that the other advantage is the,   the crossbow head was that with a bow and arrow,   once you pulled that, shall we say, ready to fire, you couldn't hold for very long. For example, if the enemies enemy's coming, you had to draw and then fire. But with a crossbow,   you could have it ready to fire, and you could wait as long as you want before you fire it. And that was an advantage.   And the French use them a lot because you could have, you didn't need much training. Well, then you could you could see why that,  

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you it it would be frowned upon because with the longbow, you'd have more time to consider   what you're shooting at.   Whereas if you already have it loaded and ready to go, rock locked and loaded,  

[00:37:25] Unknown:

you could just shoot at anything and it doesn't you know? Oh, something moved. Boom. That's it. That's it. That's it. And the other thing is that it was called the war bow. It was the Victorian. Sorry. I'd be, a bit pedantic here. They called it the long bow, but it's actually called a war bow.   Apparently, so I've found out, unless anybody wants to prove me wrong, but a historian was saying that that it was actually,   from about eighteen forties. It was known as a longbow, but it's actually a war bow. So there we go.   So   I could be wrong. You never know. But  

[00:37:58] Unknown:

Either way, it was supposed also   Sorry. Also have more force   because   to cock the bow,   you can use both arms,   and you   can pull against a great deal more back pressure   than you could with a long bow.   Compound bow,   now that would be a different story   because compound bows are easy.   Peasier,   anyway.   Certainly not available in those days.  

[00:38:31] Unknown:

What about the modern ones? Yeah. They're actually,   you can act You don't have you just cock a bit like a rifle. You can fire about five off. You know, semi automatic long, crossbows now.   And,   you you know, you they should go fire. Bang. Bang. Bang. You know? Do about half a dozen,   shots within about thirty seconds.  

[00:38:53] Unknown:

Yes. I I mean, I've I've been on YouTube   every now and again just looking at these things. And,   I mean, the speed of the bolts is,   when you they tell you what it is, you know, 550   feet per second.   I mean, that's fast. 550 feet is 50, hundred and 60 yards. I mean, it's just boom. That's very, very quick. It's quick enough. Let's put it that way, isn't it? So these things I mean, it's a formidable weapon even now. So we're talking about, you know, a thousand years ago that we're using them. Obviously, I don't expect they were necessarily getting the force that we can get with modern, but you you but you never know. I don't know what they had.  

[00:39:32] Unknown:

Ah. But but have you seen that those tests that, the slingshot channel? Sorry to chime in there, but there's a thing called the slingshot channel. It's a German chap. Very interesting on YouTube. I've seen that one where he's got a magazine of yeah. Bolts. It's a The cult.   Clever. They they they went against different,   shotguns.   And there's a target, and the Colt bullet just bounced off the target. And the crossbow just went straight through the bloody target. What up? Yeah. And it's more powerful than a Colt.  

[00:40:02] Unknown:

Incredible. Mhmm. Yeah. So I'm looking at some comments in Rumble with, Warren. He's talking about it being impossible   to go from   Achan to Jerusalem   even today.   I think a lot of them what they did   because I've I've read the life of Saint John Cassian who was   a Palestinian   monk   that the Pope sent from Marseille, France   to   the Theobad monasteries   in Egypt   in about, I think it was the year March around that time, fourth century.   They'd go by ship typically.  

[00:40:39] Unknown:

Yep.   I have my 2¢ about that. Well, I can't answer Warren's question right now. Warren, you need to read the book and then you can dismiss it, I guess. I'm gonna stick with the book for now because it's the only one I've got at the moment. So as I said, this is just my first sort of,   putting in, my toe in the water with the whole thing. There's a there's a lot of descriptions actual   dotting   around and their movements to get wherever they   got to,   and their motivations and what they had to cope with and deal with, which is they're quite amazing. And also the distrust between,   them and Alexis Komnenos who was the emperor of,   Byzantium.  

And they had a lot of reason to be distrustful of him because he reneged on many agreements,   to turn up to certain meetings to or to allow certain things to happen. And often they would get hungry.   And you can I I could understand why people would be   worried with large amounts of nights all over the place?   One of the things about the lifestyle of the night, like I was saying earlier, that comes across in the book is that they were just out there fighting all the time. They were just there out there fighting a lot. There's this little bit   here right in the early part of the book where he says,   at this point, Pope Urban raised a second issue to which he and his illustrious predecessor, Gregory the seventh, had devoted years of effort, the chronic warfare   of medieval times. The popes had been attempting to achieve a truce of God among the feudal nobility, many of whom seemed inclined to make war even on their friends just for the sake of a good fight.  

After all, it was what they had been trained to do every day since early childhood. So there was a lot of fighting going on,   a great deal of it. And so what this did for the first time is it got them to instead of devote their energies to actually killing one another,   to go off and defend   Christendom as I guess it must have slowly been imagined in their minds as it was communicated to them and repeated. Some of the communications challenges are amazing as well in terms of getting the word out across all these monasteries and everywhere and,   wherever Urban went, he would gather groups of people together,   to get the word out so that as they went along the trail, many just joined them. And this, of course, was a massive problem because there were these things called,   Peasants Crusades.  

One's called William the Peniless   and the other one's called Peter the poor or something.   And they got huge crowds. Peter the poor apparently was a very smelly dwarf with bad teeth but apparently a captivating   speaker,   which is difficult to sort about it all up but it's true apparently. And   they all decided that they wanted to go and defend,   Christendom too.   And this was very very bad for them. In fact, it couldn't have been more worse because practically all of them got killed either either going down there on their way back. They were easy prey for   all sorts of other armed groups and got picked off in regular raids by   Saracens, Moors,   Muslims, whatever you however you want to label them, as part of their journey. And this is detailed. I'm not gonna go through all this, but it's it's detailed   considerably as they go from one city to another and getting the word out and having to make this agreement about food. And if you don't give us this food, we're gonna have a battle right now, and these will be with people that should have really been on their own side.  

So the whole sort of logistical mess of it,   or the challenge of it is, considerable. And the way that they sort of dealt with it, you know, plowing their way through battle after battle really to get down there.   Another thing that comes up, not that it's a central part necessarily of the story, but technically, he talks about the technical advantage   that the crusaders had,   which,   you know, we don't think of it in terms of technology, but it's it's true. And as I said, you know, I was mentioning earlier on, the horses were bigger. This really counted, although they were often outnumbered in these fights.   One of the things he mentions, of course, is that the the scale of the armies   mentioned throughout the historical records on both sides, he said, are ludicrously exaggerated. I mean, they're absolutely colossal.  

He said that it's realistically just not the case. We're talking not 50 and a hundred thousand of battles. We're talking, like, ten and fifteen, but it's still, you know, plenty of plenty of plenty of battle, if you know what I mean.   Excuse me. But there was a thing that he talks about called Greek fire.   And,   I don't know whether this is him making a supposition on this.   It's sort of kind of a gluey, gloppy liquid that they would put into,   clay,   bowls.   And,   they would set fire to it and it would burn   a lot. I guess the modern equivalent would be napalm. Yeah. But it was glue, like a big gluey thing, which is what napalm, isn't it? And, they would fire these at the,   at the, Corsair boats,   using catapults,   up to a distance of, I think, he says about 500 yards, which is considerable. So I guess these are sort of deck mounted, maybe they're trebuchets or whatever, I don't know.  

And,   once they hit the, the other boat, that was it. They would go up in they would go up in flames. So,   that was a massive advantage, and they'd use those not from boat to boat, but really in terms of defending these   coastal   castles and towns,   they'd build walls and do all that kind of stuff. So,   it's from a sort of technical point of view, not that I'm necessarily obsessed with all that, it's fascinating. The the other thing as well that's definitely worth mentioning is   the supposed,   high level of,   culture of the Muslim invaders.   This is not to denigrate it totally. And in fact, someone could probably, you know, talk in great detail about the things that they did do. But the point he makes   is that they had taken over so many   areas that were Greek Christian and Byzantine   Christian that they'd absorbed these people   into the whole of their,   let's call it culture, their effort. These people basically had a choice. You either work with us and we will let you do a few things or we chop your head off.  

And many of them across this yeah. Spain particularly.   And,   so for example, all the all the boats that they had, all the galleys, if that was the correct term, the galleys that they had, and there's one battle where they had a thousand, they didn't build any of them,   because they're not boat building people. You know, you know, if you look at the logistics of it, they didn't build any of the boats. They were all built by Italian and,   Byzantine   shipwrights   that they'd acquired   by going through all these islands and they   took over a lot of islands. I think they took over Sicily and a couple of others as well. All of this stuff just kept going on and on and on all around the Mediterranean.  

And,   they acquired these people, brought them into their camp.   And this is also,   explains some of the architecture   that we laud them about in Spain   because it wasn't designed and built by them. It was designed and built by Byzantine,   Italian, and Greek architects   who came from the classical tradition traditions out of certain cities where they had this great knowledge base. And they were so it's attributed to them, but they were the ones that actually designed it. And much of it is in the sort of Byzantine pattern, not that I'm familiar with this. I'm just quoting from the book or remembering sort of in certain phrases. So,   the the idea of the kind of yet again, it's this thing about the noble savage with the red Indian. When you really look into it and if you look into,   Tom Goodrich's book, Scout Dance, you'll find out that this is a nonsense. It's not really true. I'm not saying they were all evil, but,   in terms of the unleashing of bloody hell,   the Red Indians were very good at that, and it's the same with this story as well. Certainly, there's that similar   there's a very similar line that it's not quite what we've been   told. And did anybody here see that film that Ridley Scott made about twenty odd years back? Twenty years back 02/2005?  

What's it called? Something of Heaven.   Yeah. The Kingdom of Heaven or something. Kingdom of Heaven. And the I mean, visually, in parts, it's absolutely spectacular,   and amazing, but there's a lot of goof in it. And I knew there was goof in it when I first watched it. Yeah. The plot was kind of forgettable.  

[00:48:50] Unknown:

Yeah. It was very visual and and dramatic   action.  

[00:48:54] Unknown:

Yes.   It was. It was. It meant to be a crusading type thing,   but very highly romanticized   and stylistic.   But, you know,   kinda got certain points across and obviously embellished others, and it's got the beautiful what's her name? And it's Sarah Green, isn't it? That French actress. She was in the James Bond movie later on. She plays Queen Noor, absolutely   ridiculously beautiful   woman at the time. I don't know why I'm saying this. It's just something that I remembered going through the the clips today and looking at certain things.   So,   yeah.  

I would recommend the book. I would definitely recommend it.   If you want   a fast   and good overview read, which is what he says it is, it's the case for the crusades and I think he makes it well. Now this is I've just read one book, so this is not a lot to recommend it, is it? But,   it's it's got a good feeling about the whole thing. It really does.  

[00:49:53] Unknown:

Yeah. It it's interesting because I've I've recently been reading and recording,   a audiobook that I'm making of, Saint Alphonsus   de Liguori's   book, The Victories of the Martyrs,   which comes from all of the early Christian martyrs   close to the time of Jesus   up until the Japanese martyrs of the sixteen hundreds   that, and and everything in between. But   you were dealing with the,   Roman Empire and its decline   and its international   scope. And you had the Eastern Empire,   which was represented by the Greeks or the Byzantines.   And then you have the Western Empire, which was the Latins or the Italians and   and, Franks. And Yep. Later on, the British.  

Like, you you read Canterbury Tales, you you hear a lot about   returning Crusaders and what they went through,   that sort of thing. But   what they were doing,   you'd have,   you'd have the Roman Empire,   and the emperors would have   the Christians   you'd have soldiers in that that converted to Christianity.   You even had emperor,   Constantine, which Constantinople   is named after Constantine.   He was the first Roman emperor to convert to Christianity.   And then his son,   Julian, they call him Julian the apostate,   converted back to paganism and then started persecuting the Christians again and killing   them if they didn't worship the the gods or the idols.  

Yep. That sort of and   then it goes on into   the Muslim period   say, France   say, France,   which Marseille is, like, the main hub,   and then Italy and Rome,   to Syria   and the and   down into Egypt and all those places   where   it got taken over   and   gradually that became the battle was between   the the Muslims   rather than the pagans.   And as far as the that period of time, you know, the thousand year span, which is quite a lot of time if you think about it between Yes. Jesus' time and then the beginning of the Crusades.   And then it just kind of kicks off until   from there till, you know, later on. There was the Battle of Lepanto in the fourteen hundreds,   which was basically   if if you read about the Battle of Lepanto, it's fascinating because you talk about the ships and all that kind of thing, how how they   looted Roman ships   and then Yeah. Use them and repurpose them.  

You should you should look into the history of Lepanto because that was another battle where   the the Muslim forces were coming in through Crete. They had a base of operations there and then going into the Adriatic Sea. And they were gonna go in through Venice and and take over, but they were   they were beaten back by the pope's forces. I think it was,   Pius the fifth   that led that.   And you could call these things crusades, but there were really only, like, eight like,   before I sent you that,   eight crusades   up until, like, December   from, like, 10/1020   to   December.  

Yes. And December was Saint Louis,   king of France, the only king of France to be canonized, the,   Christian saint.   But, the one in Lepanto was later in the fourteen hundreds,   and they almost came up   and defeated them   defeated the Christians.   But they didn't. They didn't. And it was a miracle that they didn't. But it's when you go into the funding of the Muslim side,   it was actually this rich Jew,   Jewish merchant   named   Joseph Nazi   Really? Who was funding them to go in. It's just an odd name for What years what year are we talking about here, Pastor? Fourteen hundreds.   Quarterly fourteen hundreds. Right. Battle of Lepanto.  

Mhmm.   But that was a pivotal   battle there too be to   push back   the the,   you know,   Christians pushing back on the Muslims, but us also then you have this other aspect because it's   there's there's the Jewish,   Christian, and and,   Muslim   part, which when you look at it   and who's considered a heathen isn't one of those three. Those are, like, the three main European   religions   that   have a big consequence in   in the two two thousand year span of history   after paganism   in the Roman Empire was   more or less replaced by monotheism.   So it's just a fascinating history if you if you really go through all of this and   and spend the time.  

I think it was the last show or the show before that, I mentioned   a homeschool book   that I had had,   taken taken a course called Seton Homeschooling.   And the woman who developed it, her name was Anne Carroll. She wrote a book called   Christ King of History   with   Christ as the focal point of all history   even to the point where our calendar is based off of Christ.   So, you know, from the time of Christ, which is the year zero Yep. To now.   But, that's well worth the read too if you wanna learn more about the crusades.   I I remember reading it. I don't remember all the details. There's so much so much   that went into it.  



[00:55:54] Unknown:

There is I mean, the thing that kind of the the bit that I'm one of one of there's so many aspects of it. Like, if you use the word interest as if it's an academic thing, I don't think this is academic. I think it's highly relevant to our times right now. That's what's drawn me to it.   What's   the dates are important in this, and I don't have them in my head because I don't know them yet. But when Islam began, when Mohammed said, woah, I've just had all this stuff from you know, I've had a visit from what does he say? The angel Gabriel or something? Yeah. Yeah. Gabriel.   It don't take long before the swords are out.  

It's all that's my understanding. It doesn't take long,   before this we take over the world by force approach, in putting it in simple terms, begins. It's almost immediate.   And this   the the founding story of Islam   for me is highly suspicious.   Yeah.   And I'm saying that not knowing the whole thing. I've just always it doesn't sound or even feel right in any way, shape, or form.   It's too it's too instantaneous,   the willingness to get bloodletting.  

[00:57:03] Unknown:

And this This history of the martyrs that I've talked was talking about Yep. Goes into that because it it there's a trade off around that time   when you had the pagan persecution of the Christians, and then it switched over to the more the Muslim,   Mohammedian,   persecution.   Because   what had happened, there was there were all sorts of internal disputes in Christianity that took place. One was the Arian heresy   where   in Egypt,   I think is where it took place,   where you had the group   that believed that Christ was both man and God.   Right.  

And then you had   Arian who   who   believed that   he was just a man.   So Yeah. And that's more of the Muslim,   type ideology.   It ended up developing. He was pre pre Mohammed,   and that that whole thing developed into that. And   the rebellion against the Romans   was part of that too because the Romans were coming in and having people sacrifice to the gods. And if they didn't do it, they would kill them   and persecute them. And there were Christians that said, well, we should go and we should kill them.   I mean, I mean,   heretics,   so to speak, like,   the the eye for an eye type of justice.  

And that Yes. They split off. They split off. Like, Arianism   was one of them that split off.   And then it developed into   a rebellion reaction to that and a warring faction   that the Mohammedians   took over   and thrived   in especially in the old Roman Empire that goes in through Northern Africa   and up into Spain   and then even into the, what we call, you know, Western Asia,   Turkey.   But,   it's fascinating because it tells you a lot about what's happening in our present day because,   obviously, Europe has a lot more   Muslims than it did even fifty years ago.   So  

[00:59:09] Unknown:

Exactly. And, of course, it's   it's politically an an almost verboten,   are using the word, you know,  

[00:59:16] Unknown:

topic. Because you're talking about Muslims, Jews, and Christians. And then anytime you start naming people   based on their religion,   it ends the people get sensitive to it. And there's that whole history   there that if you know about it, you can you can talk about it. But if you don't know about it, then it becomes, like,   you know, then violence happens because people get offended, but they don't know why they're offended. They just and then it leads to more violence, and it's not good.  

[00:59:43] Unknown:

Yeah.   Well, you know, we we have don't even know why.   It's true.  

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They're   offended, and they don't know why. You ask them, why are you offended? They say, I don't know, but I am. Yep.  

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There's definitely that. There's definitely and we've had a thing here recently in contemporary communication with the last sort of twenty four, forty eight hours   about two tier judgments over here   for people that are from so called minorities.   I mean, I'm beginning to think that the English, of course, are the   designated minority of today or tomorrow,   on the way. You've got,  

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right now, you've got crusader Kyrie   going to Ukraine and and getting your boys all,   you know, all riled up, ready to go, and join the crusade to go and fight  

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evil Putin. That's a that's a It just doesn't stand up though. You're right. But it just don't stand up. It's a completely No. It isn't it's   it's so idiotic. You can't believe that they're even willing to keep on saying these things.   And there are so many voices even in the   mainstream media that are aware of this. I mean, there are many dorks, of course, that just go along with it. You know, Putin's really bad. No one ever really talks about the fundamental background to any of these things. This is why you if you don't know   the history to just about anything and and history can mean what happened over the what's happened over the last six months because it's all in the past. I mean, you know, it's we're not talking necessary. You gotta go back thousands of years.  

Although sometimes even that is valuable because, you know, as we've mentioned before, human nature never really changes.   And,   they're just saying things all always out of context.   I heard someone today saying, oh, you can't trust the Russians. What does that mean?   Stop talking nonsense. You can't trust the British government. You can't trust any of you. You can't trust the Byzantines.   Yeah. Yeah.   You can't trust any of you. You're not trustworthy people. Don't you understand? They say it as if, well, we are trustworthy, but the Russians aren't. No. None of you are. Come on. Get a grip. What are you talking about? I have an idea.  

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I have an I have an idea. An idea, do you? You wanna if you wanna figure out if you wanna continue any conversation with somebody, you just ask them a question.   And if they come up with with an emotional response or with a response to your question,   ask them why. If they can tell you why, that means that they're working from an analytical   and logical headspace   and that they actually have the ability to enunciate   why they have that why they hold that position.   If they cannot, if they say, I don't know. I just don't.   Yeah. Or I don't know, but that's just the way it is, then they're working from a reactionary,   emotional headspace,   and that is probably a thought that was put in their cranium by somebody else. And you can immediately turn around   and say, thank you so much. Enjoy the conversation. Have a nice day.  

Now bugger off, will you? And No bugger off. Yeah. Absolutely. Go on to the next   Yeah.   There's your basic rule of thumb. There is there is readings from the words of wisdom by Paul in The United States.  

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And, it's gave you a bunch of time in conversations. You know, you're it's spot on. I mean, somebody sent me something today about definition of a psyop,   and it's basically you know, the basic thing of a psyop is when you're not allowed to respond.  

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Yeah. It's a breakdown of communication  

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between two subjugated groups. Yeah. So when they say you can't talk about that, a psyops imply. What are you on about?   You   know, free speech involves free inquiry. They go hand in hand. They're inextricably linked. It includes free questioning,   I. E. Freedom of mind to actually ask questions. And when someone says you can't,   the fix is in. And I know it's stating the bleeding obvious, but we need to remember this kind of stuff. And they're doing it now or they're trying to do it now. But I just think this current crop of people that are communicating   are so pathetic. I mean, I it's just I can't believe that anybody believe anything that they say. And yet,   you find that supposedly because the mainstream media wanna paint and create this sense of agreement that they do. Oh, yeah. You know, those tricky Russians. What are you talking about?  

Yeah. They're all tricky all the time. Well, of course, they bloody are. So did anybody see,   I know we've kind of moved away from it. I might hop back to the Crusades every now and again. But,   have you seen that? Oh, gosh. Everybody's name is jumping out of my head. I'm gonna put it down to this coal. I can't seem to recall names at the moment. I've got all sort of foggy.  

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You need you need some recall  

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recall? Do I?  

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You you get that? Yes. Do you have that over there? By the way, if you check the private chat, there is a link to a song that was put in there by Patrick.   Yeah. I grabbed it, recoded it, and then dropped it in Telegram. So the link to the That that that song has a new meaning nowadays with Elon Musk.  

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It used to mean   about   XER, which is the big border blaster down in Mexico Alright. Where they Yeah.   I that's a whole story with,   what was his name? Romulus Brinkley.   Alright. John John Brinkley. He's one of the  

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first Jeffrey Sachs.   Sorry. I just had to say the name while it jumped into my head. Sorry. Anyway.   No. I was That's okay. That's okay. I'm sorry. I just I I did it the other day. I was trying to think of oh, that was it. Yesterday, I was doing a thing,   with Karen. Shout out to Karen and Wise Women Weekly. We were talking about the holocaust,   very guardedly,   and I couldn't remember Fred Leuchter's name at all   until the word report came into my I said he did a report. I'm gonna suddenly got it. Leuchter report.   K. So, yeah, I definitely think I'm getting I'm getting frilly around the edges in terms of name recall. I can see their faces all the time in my head. But, unfortunately, their faces didn't come with their name tattooed on the forehead, so I can't read it. It's very difficult in my image systems. But, yeah,   just going back to Jeffrey Sachs,   because there's been a lot of fun in,   the political panto world recently. It's just been mad.  

Sachs was in Europe. I think it was where are we now? Thursday? Was it the beginning of last week? I think it was.   If anybody's familiar with it, you'll know what I'm talking about. Twenty five, twenty six minutes long.   He's in Europe and he's talking to, an agglomeration   of, I suspect,   it's one of the most,   valuable communications   around this entire Russia Ukraine debacle,   because he basically   he gives everybody the history lesson that they don't wanna,   remember or recall. And the the essence of the whole problem here,   is to do with the expansion of NATO up to the borders of Russia.  

That's it.  

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Yeah. And how they promised not to move an inch back in the September or whatever it was. We we we will never do that. We're all settled. This is, of course, turns out retrospectively  

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to be complete manure.   Oh, yeah. Well, NATO and the Americans, the Europe, they're all Trixie. Yeah. You are. That's why we don't support any of you because you're all liars.   And, of course, you got that Bint Newland who then in 02/2014   started horsing around out there doing whatever nonsense she was up to.   And, yeah, all the time, the Russians are painted as evil, and I think the Russian tactic is spot on. They just stay silent. I don't know how they do it, you know, because they've lost a lot according to the reports that we've read, they've lost an awful lot of men having a dispute with people who are fundamentally their people.   And I never see a reminder or two for not doing anything about it. Yeah. Because There's never ever a reminder about the slaughter of those fifteen, twenty thousand Russians in the Donbas region, which is what caused this to start.  

Hey. You're killing all my people here on the border between the two of us. That's not on. We're coming in,   because you're using force, so we're gonna have to counteract that. Sorry. That's the way it goes. You know?   No one in their right mind would allow sections that people in a sort of, say,   certain section of England like Cornwall. I've mentioned it before to just if Chinese didn't have to start killing me, it's alright. It's not   alright. It's not alright.   And yet they talk as if the Russians have got absolutely   nothing to complain about. And it's bizarre as well, this relationship with buying their energy. They're not buying it. They're blowing up that whatever is that Nord Stream thing or whatever, which is obviously an American thing apparently now. It's all come out. I'm not bothered who did it, whether they're Americans, Brits, or whoever. Basically, they're nutters, the lot of them, and we're all supposed to buy their lies, aren't we, over and over again. Yeah. And then, yeah, last week, SUAPS, they they blew up the the Russian Black Sea port where they did most of the  

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LNG refinery   refining and and oil refinery   type stuff. It's there's an import for that in the Black Sea.   They blew it up just before Zelensky came in to the White House.  

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So that was Just to completely break the mood, do you want a poem about a crusader?   There we go. It's very short.   It's by Ogden Nash. There you go.   A crusader's wife slipped from the garrison and had an affair with a Saracen.   She was not oversexed or jealous or vexed. She just wanted to make a comparison.   There you go. I quite like that.   Maybe I'd need to read it.   What's that? Where's Eric? I don't know. Yeah. Where's Eric? Eric, are you here? I don't know. Is he? I'm still here. Yeah. She is. I'm still here. Yeah. Listen. I'm gonna read it again. A poem. Now that you've heard it once, I'm gonna read it again now so you can get your logos. And with it, it's only five lines, and it's a it's a limerick.   A crusader's wife slipped from the garrison   and had an affair with a Saracen.  

She was not oversexed or jealous or vexed, but just wanted to make a comparison.   I think that's quite good. Ogden Nash, quite good. Very quirky poet Ogden Nash. Great name though. Always makes me think of tobacco though because there used to be a tobacco over here called Ogden's best rubber, something like that and all that kind of stuff. So there you go. Don't, you know, we can't don't say you can't write witty poems about the Crusades. You can. Or at least Crusaders' wives.   Paul, you mentioned something about a song or something. Did you send me a track somewhere?  

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Yeah. The link to it is in the private chat.  

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The private oh, the private chat here. Okay. I'll just puddle around because we haven't had look at me. My timekeeping's terrible. I'm gonna put it down to my cold. I'm gonna blame everything on that   today.   It's the best thing to do, isn't it? So,   where's it all gone? Okay. I'll dig it up. It might just gonna take me a second or two to,   excuse me, find it and load it.   But, yeah, the,   the other funny thing,   the highly amusing thing was the Three Stooges   on Friday.   The White House lads,   Donald and JD Vance   and JD Zelensky,   doing a soap opera bit.  



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I'm assuming everybody's caught this. Yeah. You you call it that. Brilliant acting. I think so. As Oscar winning performances, weren't they? I mean,   spot on. Yeah. It's all an act as far as I'm concerned. Total act.   Yeah.   And now they're saying on the, I was in the car yesterday, and I put the radio on,   classic FM. And then and the, I won't quit news, but shall we say the propaganda   came on. And they said that,   things are getting back to normal with America.   Zelensky is getting back to normal within America. Is he really?   Good day, Liz.  



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Well,   the COVID era, new normal, you mean? Yeah. Yeah. New normal. A new normal. Yeah.  

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Yeah. Well, I started writing a little thing. I thought I ought I was gonna if I had enough time and I felt so grotty Oh, yes. What I thought would have been what   I thought would have been good was to write an alternative   script for that.   So I was writing this sort of mock broadcast. I've got a bit of notes here. It just said, last Friday's episode of the White House lads, starring Donald Trump, JD Vance, and special guest star, Volodymyr,   penis piano player Zelenskyy,   was a big hit across the international networks. Many viewers who enjoyed that show wrote in to ask us if there will be any more episodes. Well, we can't guarantee that there will be as the actors are all very busy during this political panto season, which doesn't seem to end. You may be pleased to know that some alternative scripts have come to our attention. And what I thought we could do is we need to write those scripts and reenact them lads every week. So I don't know what roles you would play. I don't know who we could get to play Zelensky. We need someone obviously   that sounds like Count Dracula or something. He he just  

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won the Oscar for best actor. Did he? He wanted to do it. Yeah. He was he won it twice.   Once for the pianist.   And then his new film called The Honest. Yeah. The the new film is called The Brutalist.  

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So   Oh, boy. Yeah. I mean, it's just It's   unbelievable.   Sequels.   It was unbelievably   mad that. I've never heard any what we were supposed to do? There's obviously   some psychological   abuse that we were receiving that we can't yet work out. Seriously, they wouldn't have done this by accident, would they? Someone didn't say just leave the cameras on. I mean, it's a joke.  

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So this is what They had the vice president there Yeah. You know, tag teaming with Trump. It's like a WWF   match from back in the eighties with Hulk Hogan and Macho Man or something. It was you go.  

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You have a go.   You have a go. Yeah. Listen, I'm gonna play a song. It's not the one you sent, Paul, because I don't like Zed Zed Top. That's not true. I do, but I don't really wanna play it right. It's too much for my delicate little brain. I played this some   weeks ago then somebody asked me about it. This is by I'm gonna I'm just gonna play it again. I'm just in a repetition mood because we only play songs once anyway. This is Port Arthur Blues by Wade Frucci.   And then I've got a couple of little audio clips one from a film that I want to talk about in relation to banking   and another one which is Spike Milligan,   Eric. So that'll be Oh. Oh.  

That'll be quite fun. So we're gonna go here we go. We'll play this song. We'll play a little station   your favorite music. Go on, admit it.   Yes.   You're listening to Paul English live here on WBN. We're here every Thursday, 03:00 US eastern, eight PM in The UK. Now, chaps, that music just then, I think that would have made good accompanying music to the, the soap opera last Friday. That would have been pretty good. The Three Stooges.   There was something slightly surreal and wacky about all that kind of stuff.   And,   so yeah. Anyway, for those of you that like Zydeco and I'm one of them when it's good like that, although I've got his entire album and that's the standout track.  

That's Poor Arthur Blues   by Wade   Fruge.   American people, am I pronouncing that correctly?   What say ye, Patrick or Paul?   Is that correctly pronounced?   Oh, everybody's gone quiet.   Hi, Cars. I don't seem to be able to hear you. Hang on just a minute. Maybe the,   maybe the,   studio went to sleep or something. Let's just have a look.   Oh, yeah. Oh, cool. Okay. Well, there we go. May I don't know. Maybe   maybe Patrick had to go out. I can imagine. Alright. Okay. Wait. It's Patrick. Maybe he had to go out. Would Edgar would prefer wood. Yeah. Maybe he went to gather in the cheese. Anyway, Paul, Fruge, f r u j e, with an accent. How do you pronounce that? How do I pronounce that, Patrick?   Wade Fruje.  

Fruje. Fruje?   Fruje?   I I like to pronounce it Fruje because I know that that's wrong.  

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You play Zydeco and now we're talking creole.  

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Yeah. Only only momentarily. I don't this is not the Creole show. That's next week, of course. Okay. Me and Eric are practicing like mad.   We've been Oh, no. Yeah. Yeah. It's gonna be very, very bad then. Look bad.   Anyway, whilst I'm playing clips in an odd and zany order that have not got anything to do with one another, here's another one. This is Spike Milligan.   Just a little chat with Bob Monkhouse who is a British host from a few I came across this the other day, and I just liked it. And it's got nothing to do with anything that we're talking about, but it's just good life. Here we go. Here's Spike and Bob. How did you join the army?  

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Put the right to me.   They,   I received what I call   a a cunningly worded invitation to get killed.  

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And,  

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I know it the,   I remember the day it was a it's a really I suppose my military family, it was a really, I suppose, a very proud day for me and my family is   eight military policemen dragged me screaming out the house.   Ripped off my mum's disguise   some nasty habit you got there one of them sits   I went to   Bexhill Station a great bar sergeant there one of these sergeant with these very white stripes, you   know.   And up here though.   Oh, yes. I I said,   I said good morning to him, and he was stuck for an answer.   He said, never mind all them witty London sayings.   He said, he said, no. Okay. He said, you look intelligent. I said, well, I, I do impressions.  

I said, you look in television. He said,   would you like a commission? I said,   no. I just I'd rather have a weekly wage.   It might be a very very very short war, you know, with very little interest.   In fact, I think I've lost interest already.   And this sergeant said, sergeant said silence when you speak good officer.  

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And the and  

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the the, I remember the the food crushed  

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food. It's the one they didn't call for volunteers to eat it.   I had my mess in at once and something went in and I said to this gentleman, what's this? He said, it's, bean stew. I said, never mind why it's bean. I said, why is it nasty?   After after it was all over, after being in the trenches for five years and shot at boatswides, guess what they give you for surviving it? £50.   If you got killed, you got 500, You know?   My mother and father get sending me back.   How'd you go and get killed, send me? You were   tuned.  



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Oh, those days will be back with us if we don't watch it. If we don't watch it with these lunatics.   Quite like that.  

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That was a humorous interlude. And a humorous interlude for the show. Yeah. We gotta throw these things in when you come I don't know where to fit these things in, so I just want to play it. It's great stuff. Really good stuff. Well Wonderful. Farbetch, Adam Zelensky playing the piano with his, ding dong in it, really. Because he gets a bit upset about that because of one I know one of the women interviewers brought that up, and he gave her a mouthful. He really did. He was, very upset about it. Sorry. Rosie.   One. Yes.  

Oh, Eddie.  

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Was that anything rude then? No. No. Of course not. I don't know what you're talking about. It's clean as a whistle. I think That's right. Yeah.   I I still find it remarkable that they oh, gosh. We can't keep going on about this. It's just obviously bizarre.   I mean,   these people that actually say these things as if he really is the leader of the Ukraine,   it's just   it's tragic, isn't it?   This world leader. What? He's just a nonce. I mean, just look at him. He's a joke. He's like Macron and the rest of them. All of these Wow.   They're all you know, I heard a thing today.  

I've got an interview. Someone just sent me and I I don't have time to watch it today. Looked really good. Never heard of the guy, some kind of an analyst of European politics. He's basically they're all shot to bits.   So Blair,   all of them, Mendelssohn, the whole lot, the entire sort of European superstructure of politicians   are all, you know, they're all finished. And I my thought is I didn't even realize they'd started.   I mean, I've I've never taken these people seriously. I mean, it's just gloss on the mainstream media for thirty years   of these buffoons   who think because they've been put in this role, they're all jacked up and full of it and think that they're world leaders. And you wouldn't put them in charge of a tobacconist.  

I mean, would you? Not that you can have a tobacconist, but it's an unlawful to have a tobacconist these days. But, I mean, there's no degree to the amount of abuse verbal abuse that we can give them. I mean, there's no limit to it. It could just go on for days. We'd all get bored of it.   It might be funny for a while, but it's a sad state where this,   complete male bimbo,   who was obviously a a goofy sort of tar of a bloke, is pouncing around, you know, looking like an idiot and speaking like an idiot and whining and then doing Three Stooges with JD Vance and Donald Trump, possibly his finest hour, I suppose, as an actor   and all that kind of stuff.  



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Has he ever heard of a suit, though? I mean, he looks if he's just coming from sort of clean air and dry He did wear a suit for Netanyahu.  

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Oh,  

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yeah. That's a question there. Oh, yes. They did. Yeah. Bosses in town,  

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Volodymyr. You better get your suit on.   I mean, just yeah. You wouldn't you wouldn't actually pay him the time of day or anything. He just looks weak. He is weak. He's got a weak mouth,   and he's just weak. He's not a brain or anything. It's just nonsense. And, all of this theater   stops us getting to the point of,   discussing what's really going on. Oh, that's why I say Jeffrey Sachs was an actual adult communication   about it. And you realize that they don't exist in mainstream media until you actually reengage with one like he did. So he was thoughtful.   He was informed. He was articulate.  

He made his case. He spoke for twenty five minutes. If you haven't seen it, you need to look it up and watch it. Maybe many of you here will already know all this stuff, but as a little I've been sending it to a few people who don't know, and I say, look, this is twenty five minutes well spent. And that's not bad, is it? You're not saying here's a three hour video. Sending three hour videos to people is completely not on. It's totally useless. We need short, sharp things, but that's TikTok.   Yeah.   That's too short.  

That's too short, I think. But,   no. It's,   you've gotta sum these things up. The expansion of NATO,   they got they don't like it.   No. Really? Yeah. No. Paul. We don't we don't like it. You know? So   Paul. Yes. Paul. TikTok.  

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What about TikTok? It is the closest   the closest   video   social media platform   to the approximate length of the attention span of the global population.   TikTok.   Yep.   I'm on board.   You you try and add you ask them to listen to anything longer than two minutes long. You lost them at a minute and a half. I'm sorry. Excuse me. Well, supposed to be a cat. Put down TikTok and pick up a book.  

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Read a book, everybody.  

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Well, they didn't even hear you say that. This is the problem, Patrick, isn't it? Yeah. Well, maybe. Is it not the case that if,   all those wonderful rock and roll and pop bands   of the nineteen thirties were constrained by the single to run for a maximum of three minutes and twenty five seconds or whatever the plastic the vinyl would hold? Isn't that our challenge then to actually start coming down with two minute   pithy glue things to get the point across? I've gotta get around to doing stuff like this. I mean, it's just it's not really my style. I was talking earlier to someone today about   really I'm not spending as much time in the news cycle. Probably someone's gonna say, yeah, the show shows it. We're not really but actually, I'm not attached to it at all,  

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because it's You're saying that's why. Yeah. It well that stuff drop if you you follow it too much, it just you you can't it it's attention deficit disorder, ABC.  

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Yeah. It is. I was noting how much time   is consuming out of things, and it leaves you,   dissatisfied because you don't grow in it at all. You don't strengthen your vocabulary, your understand nothing happens.   You just have a bout of being alarmed   or getting everybody else's view. And one of the things about you know, there's a phrase that someone said years ago, it's probably true that if you were to spend and this applies to all of us, and this is why, you know, I guess shows   like this or whatever are always having to move around to try and find a new sort of path for x number of months, weeks, or whatever, even the next ten minutes sometimes, you know, is if you were to sit at the feet of a guru,   after three years, you'd know everything   he knew.  

That's it. Most of us could probably download everything, all your experience that you've built up your entire life   in about three years   if you're just communicating on a regular basis.   And I think for the communicators, they kind of get drained. And if you look, you know, I've often thought about this with regards to Alex Jones.   I'm just picking him up because he's the most obvious one. How does he   why is he motivated to do what he does in the morning? Is it, you must do this, Alex, otherwise, we'll kill you. Is that going is that what's going on? You've been doing it for twenty five years, even longer than that.   Is this kind of approach is the excessive amplification of the news cycle doing us any good at all? And I would say I was gonna I was I had a question for you about one of your politicians,  

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George Galloway. What are your thoughts about him? Because he's been getting more prominent lately.  

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He seemed he's a very good political opportunist.   He has a way of communicating that at time and he said good luck. He's a bit like a broken clock. They all are, I think. Every now and again, they're gonna say stuff that you're gonna go, that's right. But are any of them consistent? He what does he do, Eric, these days? I know he runs around being a Scot.   He's bright. Wasn't he?  

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Yeah. Making out he was I don't know what he was doing there, but looked a bit revolting in that. But he is,   well,   he's like most politicians. He's an actor. He's a very good actor. Yes. And he tells people what they wanna hear. And that is a role of a good politician to tell people what they wanna hear. And then once they're elected, they do the complete opposite. So that that's it, really. Yeah.   He comes   across as sincere, but as I say, what kind of person would want to work   in a building like,   Westminster, where it's full of criminals,   pedophiles, and, well, the the the worst scummy could ever not wish to meet. So, no, I haven't got much time for anybody like that.  

Part of the system as far as I'm concerned. And you gotta be part of the system to get there. You do. So, you know You do. You absolutely do. To me, government is mafia. No ifs, no buts.   In fact, the mafia do more for the community than probably the government.   This sounds a bit weird. In South America, you know, they have a lottery system, which is absolutely scrupulously honest, which is run by the mafia.   So,   really,   now when people say to me, math mafia, a government rather, I just think mafia. That's all they are,   because more people have been killed by their own governments and all wars put together. I think mafia is it, Eric. I think that too. It's like turf war.  



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Yeah. It's just a turf war between the Capone gang and whoever it was that they shot on the Saint Valentine's Day Massacre. The deep instead of the deep state, it's the mafia state. Yeah. You know? Well, you mentioned anything about usury. If any of them mention anything about usury,  

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they have a nasty accident.   Or,   what happened to, Nick Griffin?   They had it part of their I probably said this before, but the BNP,   it was part of their,   what do they call it?   I can't think of a word now. When they put out all what they're gonna do. Platform.   Platform. Thank you.   And,   they're going to abolish usury.   Yep. Manifesto. Sorry. That's the English one, a manifesto.   And he had a little,   knock on the door by the men in suits from the special branch. And I think no. Sorry. Secret Service who said, take that out of your manifesto or we destroy you   and your   political party.  

He didn't.   Who's heard of Nick Griffin now? And we're at a BNP now.   That's it. Yeah.  

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Well, you you touch on something Yeah. You touch on something there, Eric, that I know I,   I like to touch upon as well, and we all we all should, is the methodology of how we would bring it about. Well, I I think about this quite a lot. You know, we've mentioned before that if a political party were to come along with good people in it with policies like that,   how would we defend them? Because the people that wanna take them out are really good at killing people and destroying their lives. You need an institution. You need you need a crusade.   Yep. So even if you have these men in abeyance   and you don't need to be the the other thing, of of course, with these things is you don't need so called geniuses. That's all part of their, oh, you're not good enough to be in politics nonsense and all this kind of stuff. Not that you'd want to be because it's just a pit of vipers.  

You need confidence.   Yeah. But you need protection, you know. I meant Chromalady's iron sights for a damn good reason because it's it's all about violence at the top level. That's what it's about. It's about violating the other people. You're not getting your way. I'm getting my way. That's that.  

[01:32:44] Unknown:

All you need to have effective government   is people in it   that understand what the people   the voting   population has to go through just in daily life.   And that politician   just has to think, well,   what would I want?   You know? What would be good for me? Because if it's good for me, it'll be good for them, you know, because we're all cut from the same cloth. And I don't think we have a mafia.   I don't. I mean, I'm sorry, Eric. I'm I'm gonna have to disagree with you.   We don't have a mafia. I think they would have to step up their game to   even equal   a mafia because mafias,   they're organized,   they have an understood   hierarchy of power,   and they respect family,   and they understand the value of a good cannoli.  

I don't think any of these guys in DC or anywhere   in in any governmental parliament  

[01:33:44] Unknown:

could say the same thing. None of them. Well, I can't even say the word cannoli. What is a cannoli? Come on.   Start laughing at me.  

[01:33:52] Unknown:

What pastry did die  

[01:33:54] Unknown:

for? Is it? It's a cream filled croissant.  

[01:33:57] Unknown:

Yes. Think of it that way, a hard croissant. I don't wanna go off on a big food tangent here. We'll never come back. We'll be lost   in the realms of patisseries and boulangerie and all this kind of stuff. It'll be terrible. I'll end up talking about   curd tart and things like this. I don't wanna do that. Not in this show right now. But talking about usury   and, political control and power and all that kind of stuff,   look at how I'm making a segue here. I know the first bit was about the Crusades. I wanna keep returning to that, certainly about that book. By the way, just quick reminder, God's Battalions by Rodney Stark is what we were talking about. And it's, you can pick it up pretty cheap secondhand. I think I paid only about £8 for mine.   And,   for those of you that know nothing about it, I think it's a great introduction. Anyway, so there we go. Now,   some of you may be familiar   with a drama series that the BBC have been doing. I can't tell you exactly what the years are. Based on,   a trilogy by a woman called Hilary Mantel,   and the first one is called Wolf Hall. And, Eric, living in England, have you heard of this?  



[01:35:00] Unknown:

Nope. Because I don't have a telly.  

[01:35:03] Unknown:

Right. Okay. But you and you've not heard of the books either?   Paul No. And Patrick, are you familiar have you ever heard of of this book called The Bull's Hole?  

[01:35:12] Unknown:

Refresh my memory, please. Well, I think,  

[01:35:15] Unknown:

Patrick, particularly, you'll find it probably very I haven't read the book. I just happened to   stumble across the,   TV series. I think they've just done I don't watch much TV.   I don't watch sort of entertainment   stuff like that.   And, it's a BBC license plate. It's a BBC production. Yeah. And   and it   it's harks back to when they really could screw a thing together well. So whichever department has done it, it's good.   I mean, I I think it's absolutely outstandingly good, and it's obviously outstandingly good because it's based   on these books by Mantel who is   she's unfortunately no longer alive. She died at the age of 70 only about four or five years ago.  

And,   she obviously is thorough in her research.   Now, Wolf   Hall is a place called Wolf Hall, but what it's about is a chap called Thomas Cromwell   who was pivotal,   during the Reformation because he ends up   becoming Henry the eighth's right hand man.   And,   he is a lawyer basically, but a very well connected one in all sorts of ways.   And I was I've only watched, now this is how bizarre it is, I've watched two and a half episodes   of it.   The interesting thing about it is, obviously, the world back then was quieter. There are no cars in it or trains or jet engines.   Nobody has got a radio because they didn't have them. No one's playing music. All you've got is dialogue   and gatherings around flagons of wine from time to time and this that and the other. And horses.  

And horses. Yeah. And men at arms and that kind of stuff. And it's the build up, the tension, the build up of this   situation for Henry   and, his advisers and the spats between them and so on and so forth. I'm just giving a very general overview. It doesn't sound different to anything else and maybe it's not. But,   there's a guy called Mark Rylance   who plays the role of   Thomas Cromwell.   And, he's he was the voice actually of the giant in the BFG.   What he's got a very interesting voice and he's a very   still sort of actor.   He's he's a bit of a scene stealer,   because he doesn't do too much and and therefore, he's doing loads, if you know what I mean. He's still.  

So he plays this role. Anyway, there was   a a scene has just developed because I'm gonna play it to you because although it's about the drama itself, it also addresses   these early days of financial control of individuals, which is quite a thing.   And,   just by way of a bit of background, Cromwell in his earlier days,   was based in Italy and, Venice   and knew all of the   accountants and bankers and the counting houses and all this, that, and the other. He's connected with all of those people. He's very sharp.   And this is how he rises to power because he's as a communicator and as a manipulator,   although that might be a bit heavy. But as a as a person who can see the way through with things, he's very good. And he was loyal to cardinal Wolsey, which may ring a bell for you, Patrick Wolsey.  



[01:38:25] Unknown:

Yeah. And he he he's also the reason Thomas More was put to death. That's right. He is. Absolutely.  

[01:38:31] Unknown:

And,   the,   Wolsey, he defended Wolsey, staunchly did Cromwell,   but Wolsey couldn't get Henry's marriage to Catherine annulled by the pope. So Wolsey had to go, and Cromwell stayed loyal to him even after he'd gone and been and he died   in the early fifth in in his early fifties. And there's some amazing reports about Wolsey again from Venetian ambassadors. If you're into this sort of thing, I obviously am. If you go and read these reports written by these guys at this time, you can tell that you're dealing with individuals that are astonishingly bright,   really, a very, very bright people. They must have been the small, you know, that naught point 3% of people, but they're the ones that are doing the writing.  

Anyway, at this point,   two and a half hours into the whole thing,   middle of episode three,   there's a guy called Henry Percy   who had been betrothed to Anne Boleyn. Here we are. We're getting an English history lesson. Right? And as many of you will know, it was Anne Boleyn that was causing Henry to want to throw Catherine   out of the bus. Right? That's basically what was happening. And,   it took quite a few years for them to finally get together and and sort of push it. Anyway, she'd been betrothed   to a guy called Henry Percy.   And Percy's a bit of a loush and,   had been given an earldom by the king   and,   but not doing a good job and has been going around shooting his mouth off   about Anne being free,   I. E. Free with her favors that was the implication of it.  

This is a this is a clip of about two and a half minutes but addresses the money thing as well,   and it's also got quite an ending to it. And I just wanted to play it to you because I saw it yesterday and I showed it to one of my sons. I said watch this. And he said I said, it's it's kind of got a bit of impact.   And I said, that is a very important communication, and we're gonna play it for you. This is so this is Mark Rylands as Thomas Cromwell from this middle of this episode three, and he's addressing   a slightly drunk Henry Percy. He's about to confront him over the way he's talking about this woman he was betrothed to, Anne Boleyn, who is due to become   the queen of Henry.  

Just couple of this.   And it's not playing. Why is it not playing? Hang on. Sure. There's one more Alright. There we go. I know why it's not playing. Just a minute. I had the I had the channel on mute. What a great introduction and a cock up. But here we go.  

[01:40:57] Unknown:

Oh, you're wasting your time. I was pledged to Anne.   She allowed me such freedom with herself as only a betrothed woman would allow.   Cardinal bullied me out of saying anything last time.   I'm not afraid to speak the truth now.  

[01:41:14] Unknown:

Good. My lord, you've said what you have to say.   Now   listen to me.   You're a man whose money is almost spent. Spent. I'm a man who knows how you've spent it. You're a man who's borrowed all over Europe. I'm a man who knows your creditors.   One word from me, and all your debts will be called in. And what are they gonna do? Bankers don't have armies.   Neither will you without any money.   Now, lord, you hold your earldom from the king.   Your task is to secure the North to defend us against Scotland. If you cannot insure these things, the king will take your land and your titles and give them to somebody who will do the job you cannot do. No. He won't. He respects all ancient titles.   How can I explain this to   you?  

The world is not run from where you think it is,   from border fortresses,   even from Whitehall.   The world is run from Antwerp, from Florence, from Lisbon, from wherever the merchant ships   set sail off into the West,   not from castle walls, from counting houses, from the pens   that scrape out your promissory notes.   So believe me when I say that my banker friends and I will rip your life apart.   And then   when you are without money and title yes. I can picture you.   Living in a hovel,   wearing homespun, spun,   bringing home a rabbit for the pot,   your lawful wife Anne Boleyn skinning and jointing that rabbit.  

Yes. I wish you all happiness.   You were never pre precontracted.   Any understanding you think you have,   you didn't have it. And if you think lady Anne loves you, well, you couldn't be more mistaken. I've just come from her.   She hates you.   She despises you.   She wants you gone.   So if you say one more word   about Lady Anne's   freedom   with you,   I will come and drag you out of whatever hole you're cowering in, and the duke of Norfolk will bite your bollocks off.   I do hope that's clear, my lord.  

[01:43:43] Unknown:

Yes. Yes. It's quite clear. I don't want them bitten off.   So that was Thomas speaking there? That was Thomas doing the threatening. Yes. Yeah.   It was. Oh. So that's how yeah. I I just thought it was extremely   that's kind of the force that's in the situation that we're up against, and it needs to be reminded. Obviously, not as well. They're not as good an actor as Mark Rylance,   but it's it's it's got a lot of power purely because he's so   quietly but clearly spoken with a lot of intention about these things. And I just thought these make it you know, I know we've talked about it a lot,   but this is obviously the, you know, part of that chain of the control of people.  

We know where your debts are. And me and my mates, we can rip your life to pieces. And it's that force,   that sort of combined force from   the international usurers   that we're dealing with all the time and,   which is why usury has to go, but this is how it manifests in this particular way. So I'm assuming that Henry Percy probably from that point forward kept his mouth shut and retained his bollocks,   which is probably the wisest thing that he could have done. But, I just wanted to sort of throw that in there.   Yeah. How about that?  



[01:45:00] Unknown:

Yeah. Earlier, I was talking about the,   Joseph Nazi in the Battle of Lepanto. That was later than I thought. It's actually 1570.  

[01:45:09] Unknown:

Yep.  

[01:45:10] Unknown:

And it was to create a trade route between the Ottoman Empire and Venice   Right.   At the time. So it has something to   do with usury   in in that sense because the merchant ships like you mentioned there. Those those were the people that were the usurers that would come and collect their debts. You know, the debts from the paper that they would create a loan for someone and then   basically   you have your debt. The the instrument of usury is debt. It's the interest paid on a loan.  

[01:45:44] Unknown:

Yes.  

[01:45:46] Unknown:

And   that's that's all it is. It's   nothing nothing more or less than theft,   people's hard earned labor.   And that's what we're facing right now. It's like, what what are we gonna do about it? That's that's  

[01:46:00] Unknown:

it's a good question, Paul. And what what are we gonna do about it? What yeah. What behavior pattern could we enter into is the one that we could enter into that has not been entered into before,   that has not been identified,   or that has been identified but wasn't fully executed properly that would win through?   And,   because   I played that clip because that is the attitude at the heart of the beast that you face.   They will kill anything that comes near it. They'll kill it. That's right. And they have the power to do it. And and I know I've drowned on about this before, but when I was in court twenty five years ago, that was the sense I got   after about half a day of being in there, even though it was something absurd   in comparison to what I've just played in terms of its it was ridiculous and my new. But   it was as if you are actually about to crush their testicles.  

That's the way they no one's doing that to us. There was this sense of an extremely aggressive hostility towards anything that's gonna tamper   tamper with their ultimate control mechanism,   which is their private ownership of the central bank of this nation and of yours and of the whole of Europe and elsewhere where this nonsense goes on. So how do you combat it? You can't combat it, it seems, by forming a political party. I mean, if you do, you're gonna have to employ a lot of violence.   A lot.   You're gonna have to be willing to do that.  

[01:47:29] Unknown:

And, return to the moral order.   Yep. Because at the heart of it is it it just there with Henry the eighth, it it tells you that it was a moral problem that he was dealing with,   divorcing his wife   and then beheading the original wife, Catherine of Aragon,   which would have been a blessing to both Spain and England   and the rest of Europe if it had continued on. But he was stubborn   and clung to that   notion that he he's in charge.   No one's gonna be the boss of him. Yep. This pope isn't gonna tell him what to do. But that's not And that's that's sort of the problem. You can't you can't get a coalition if you can't you can't,   follow the moral order to begin with.  



[01:48:16] Unknown:

Go ahead, Eric. Sorry. I'm sorry, Patrick. I didn't mean to bite him, but what I was gonna say is our enemy   has the best propaganda   that our money can buy,   And that is what we're up against.   Really, really good propaganda. And that's what won World War two. Well, sorry. I don't think the word is won. That's how the allies   beat the axis   in World War two because our propaganda was better than their propaganda. It's So simple as that. Far superior.   And how do you what do you do against this massive   propaganda? It it  

[01:48:50] Unknown:

you know, a key in use of times the amount of propaganda you want. We have to create more. And how could we create it? I mean, we can't create it using   channels and avenues that they've set up even though we've got rumble and we've got these places to do it. And this is a really tiny show in comparison to some of these huge figures that are achieved. But the bigger the figures that you get in the alternative space, the more mainstream the message. It's more of to me, it's more of that   shock, fear porn news, we're all gonna die type stuff. Okay. Fine. So we're all gonna die. Now between now and then, anybody wanna try and do something constructive?   On for it? But what? That's the thing that I keep coming back to. What is it that hasn't been done or that succeeded even momentarily?  

And   part of the problem,   because it's so it's such a seasoned   field of decay that we're operating in. I think that's that's generally what I wherever you look,   you find   rottenness   everywhere. The law's shot. You know, the other week, we were talking about common law, weren't we? And I was out with some people last night talking about it. And and again, coming back to this very simple point about the   supreme,   I think this is a correct use of the word, the supreme power of trial by jury because not only is the crime   or the the accused   being viewed by the jury, but the very law itself on which the individual has been brought before them is also under review. And like you said, if they say that this law is complete crap,   it's been designed to confer privilege on people like, usury has. Yeah.  

I mean, wouldn't the first case, you know, if I were able to convene one or we were or whatever that you so the first case is the people versus the banks,   which I'm paraphrasing,   Lord Acton. You know, the great challenge that's come down the great conflict that's come down through the ages and which must be answered   is the people versus the banks. And of course, we we're not gonna hear it on mainstream media ever because that's an aspect of the bank. And we're not gonna hear it anywhere. We're not gonna hear it from the political class,   because even those that know about it forget about it because they're dealing with the drama of the day. And that's all it ever is. It's the drama of the day. They're horrific dramas as well. I'm not trying to make light of them, but they're still fundamentally   not on target.  

We have no idea of knowing how things should operate until we get trial by jury back, and we completely annihilate usury. It's got to be a capital crime.   It's gotta be it's gotta be I agree with you. The penalty's got to be so heavy for it. You go, no. You're gonna get destroyed. Or you've gotta pay whatever you've ripped people off for, you gotta pay 10 times back.  

[01:51:29] Unknown:

What? Yeah. Well, it it is. Yeah. It's what it's what's called the, sin that cries to heaven for vengeance.  

[01:51:37] Unknown:

It does.   But it has to say, can we get heaven down here to can we get the heaven police for? It's knowing where we get the power from and what we and how we define that power. How do we define the type of power? You know, a bit like that Cromwell was,   educating Percy about the fact Percy's thinking, well, all the powers in armies and forts. No. It ain't.   Just like we're talking about with the Crusades. You're not sending any knights down there. If they ain't got enough money, I don't know if I'd mentioned. These guys sold their family farms   and everything so they could send their sons down, and they disappeared for two years and came back with nothing, and they lost everything they got, but they wanted to do it.  

So that you need some resources to act, and it's this, the entire sort of everywhere we look. And if we translate it, of course,   to how people are living today,   we've got the we get the symptom chat. We're part of it, and we have to be. Like, the symptoms   are canceled. Tax is going up. What do I do about it? Oh, apparently nothing. Why? You haven't got any power.   They're gonna start making cars. Got 20 miles an hour. What do I do about it? Nothing. You haven't got any power. This continually again and again and again. And they feed it in, and we're in a drama, a communications drama, which we have to play a role in. And yet I'm looking at this going, this is still horseshit that we're involved with.   How do we take ourselves away from this momentarily and with ever greater amounts of time to say this is a line of behavior that we have to enter into. And it's a combination of things. And then you go,   oh, wow. There's so much to communicate. How may I hold the guy's attention? And then we're gonna get this into a two minute TikTok video,   which we do.  

It seems to me we gotta do that to some degree. We need  

[01:53:18] Unknown:

to mortify ourselves and get ourselves disciplined to accept suffering   because it's gonna entail suffering.   It it already is a   a thing. It's like a parasite   only   only harms you enough so that you don't react   because then it can feed off the host. If it were to just kill it right away, then it's then what what good is that? It's like, why would you kill your donkey if it if it's serving you?  

[01:53:43] Unknown:

So you That's  

[01:53:45] Unknown:

right. But the trouble is is that these   usury scammers, they can pay anybody off. They've got so much of our money that they stole That's where we need a moral code to follow. That says, otherwise   bounty hunters to go out and bring them back.   That's the only way. Not police or anything like bounty hunters.   And they're gonna be brought back alive.  

[01:54:06] Unknown:

That's I just think we're not if you think about doing that, Eric, it's not that you I disagree with you.   But what if you really start to fine tune it down about what that would actually look like tomorrow morning, for example, what what it would look like,   we're so outgunned that that's not an option at the moment. Well, I just it I don't think it's even an option.  

[01:54:27] Unknown:

Yeah? It's the marriage   of the state, which the state is just face it. The state is the militia.   The state is the militia power.   It's the marriage of church and state.   Just like the crusades,   you had that perfect marriage where you could actually accomplish something, where you had the moral code   up and it's upheld by the militia, by the state.   And that's where it comes down to, and it's   not fearing what men can do to you at a certain point. You almost have to have the martyrs attitude, like the early martyrs   that led to these crusades.  

And their ability to stand up for what's right and just, and to to set an example to other people is more than anything because they were the ones that set the example. Hey,   this person's willing to suffer and die   so that you could be free and   and not have to worship   idols of of these power rich and powerful people. Because they don't like it when you don't offer incense to their idols. And it's just   same today as it was back then.  

[01:55:32] Unknown:

It's no different. It's absolutely not any different. I completely agree. You know, we've mentioned before human nature down through the millennia   doesn't change. We're dealing with the same problem that Caesar was dealing with when he went back to Rome and wanted to sort things out for the common people. He got stabbed to death 50 times.   That's Caesar.   I'm not Caesar. He was pretty cool apparently with armies and things. Kick shit out of the Gauls, right, and all this kind of stuff. Not nice stuff. So these are guys that are used to bloodshed,   used to killing people directly, personally themselves, and ordering other men to kill people. They still get wiped out.  

It's something is   is there a way to deal with it? I mean, it's just you think, oh, it's been going on so long. No one's really cracked it. And like we've pointed out before, when a nation has done it, like Libya most recently,  

[01:56:19] Unknown:

Gaddafi is now dead, and they blew it to bits. And obviously, last century, we think of National Socialist Germany. Well, you still have the tribute to it from back in the Middle Ages. You have all these cathedrals. You you talk you talk about England and its glory days. That's you go back to it. That's where that's where you had it. Those times when you didn't have usury.   Yep. And it was a matter of of returning to God   and   his law versus man's law and whatever man says, the statutes of the   the the state, whatever they are, you know, the immoral   things that they make us do and Yeah. Hold.  

You know, police if if we didn't have police enforcing usury, we wouldn't have it. But that that's the consequence. You can't bring it to court. Like you said, we need a trial   and a jury to try the people who are involved in this   and do it in a just manner so that you have people that willing to do that, to enforce it.  

[01:57:15] Unknown:

Are you talking about, Patrick, the three hundred years, give or take, between,   Longshanks, Edward the first, and Cromwell   when that we didn't have usury?  

[01:57:27] Unknown:

Yeah. Well, even even before then, but, yeah, roughly about that time because that's what Henry the eighth and the the Protestant   reformation got rid of the indulgences where, you know, you you would have a field,   a landowner with a field, and then you have a shepherd and the shepherd   needs a place to feed his sheep,   and he would go to the the landlord and say,   Lord, I'll, you know, I'll pray for your soul. Let me graze my sheep, and he'd that was the deal. You'd you'd it was based on that type of transaction   where   it benefited both parties and   the money was kept out of the hands of bankers and and money you know, the   the the money changer   role,   you have to have  

[01:58:13] Unknown:

the sovereign who is a moral person being in the money changer role. And that Guys, do you wanna carry on talking for a bit longer? Keep the show running for a bit on this topic?   Sure.   Because we're just coming up to the end of our time slot here on WBN, so I'm just gonna sign out with a little song here.   And I thought I was gonna call it a day at this time, but I'm not. I'm I'm actually on for pushing this through because I think we've hit a good little patch here. I don't know how long we'll run for, but we're gonna carry on running. So thank you for listening to us here on WBN.   You wanna carry on listening to the show and the conversation, head on over to paulenglishlive.com   and click, I guess, the Rumble link or the soap bot links or whatever you want if you wanna listen to it. It. But Rumble is the place online where we've got a lot of chat. We've got a lot of people in the chat. I'm gonna go over there and look at it after the break. Here's a little song called the Magic Piper of Love   by Edwin Collins from a few years ago. It's about three and a half minutes long. We'll be back with you after  

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this.  

[02:02:55] Unknown:

Yes. Edwin Collins and the magic piper of love, and these are the magic communicators of our three. Welcome back Paul, Patrick, and and Eric.   And we were talking there just before we were pleasantly interrupted by a very wonderful pop song, if you like wonderful pop songs, but it's pretty good I guess.   About   how do we deal with this? What sort of behavior should we enter into to, to deal with it? And, you know, it's a combination of looking at the return of trial by jury   and dealing with the usury class. And what kind of consumer pressure group situation   needs to be created to do that?  

Or should it be something else? You know?  

[02:03:37] Unknown:

It's a I'm gonna say it's a return to Christianity that's gonna save it.   But that and an example is actually Russia because look at what the Bolshevik revolution did to the destruction of the of Christianity   in Russia,   But then they could never really destroy it because it's with the people. And then the rebuilding afterward,   I don't think they like it. And that's why you have people like Starmer going after Russia. Because they don't like the fact that the Christians   have a voice in the government there.   Whether whether you like Putin or not or you think it's a contrived thing where, you know, the bankers are playing both sides, which they are.  

I'm not arguing against that. But   the fact is, in Russia,   there's an upholding of the moral code and the moral law. And I see it here in America, the hatred of Russia as a consequence.   You have open sodomy being promoted here to school children,   and it's those type of people   that are on the Ukrainian side in this in this war, as they call it. It's not really a war in the classical term, I don't think. But it it is   it is a moral   battle going on,   and you have to take sides. It's not something you can just sit back and say, well, let's let you know, who are the powers that be   handle it. We you gotta be able to step in and and you've got a wisdom there, Paul, with this idea of the usury,   and showcasing it because that's at the root of the society crumbling because you can't   do things. Your your labor is taxed to the point where you   become a slave to somebody else and you can't ever get out of debt as a consequence. And if you can't get out of debt, you're not free.  



[02:05:20] Unknown:

Yeah. I think most of us around the microphones here know this.   Many other people know it.   Working people   are completely hamstrung by it, know that something is wrong, don't know about it technically.   We don't really need a technical pitch.   We do need,   you see, the Christian thing is   charged and requires its work as well because,   you know, in terms of talking about Magna Carta and trial by jury, these are things that are founded out of common law.   And common law was around   a long time before Magna Carta was formulated. Of course, this is viewed rightly   as a pivotal point. You see, the laws of and I've actually found a thing called the Magna Charter Society in certain things and a and a proper translation of it. And I think we'll do a show on it pretty soon   just on that one document.  

But that for hundreds of years prior to that over here,   these laws would be this way of behaving   was the natural law. And one of the interesting things as well about trial by jury, and this comes down to the force that is required to correct unlawful behavior. That's what we're talking about. We're saying that usury   contravenes   one of the prime laws of God. The one one of the laws of nature. It creates as we are all witnessing a totally dysfunctional society   held down you know, we've kind of held it altogether because of technological advances and bankers sort of say, oh, well, we're responsible for all that because we funded it. No. Everything that's been achieved has been in spite of usury, in spite of political control, in spite of so called political leadership.   It's all been done   with that   in opposition to us. They lay claim to it. Oh, we did all that. They're always quick to step in and seek all the glory. And whenever things go wrong, it's always the peasants.  

This continual sort of bending of the narrative   away from the truth, which they have to do because the truth is gonna hurt them bad if we can get it out there, which it needs to.   But the so the basis of Magna Carta and the basis of trial by jury is based on sound principles   of   Christian law. This is what I say. If people think of Christianity as a law and a way of life that comes out of that law, we're off. The other interesting I was with some people last night as well.   Even the word, you know, this this word stuff,   we've got law, l a w, and we've got law, l o r e.  

And we're really referring to it as law, which is the received   the law   is like the myth, the ancient story of the people, which is a gathering of our natural behavior.   And going over to to juries and trial by jury, it says you would be tried if you were a defendant.   You will be tried by a jury of your peers.   And the word peers is really important   because for example,   let's try and just do a sort of comic book exam explanation of it. If you're a car mechanic   and you've been accused of doing faulty maintenance on a car I'm just trying to pick something up. The jury of your peers would have to be other car mechanics. They're the only people who know whether you've been up to it or not.   That's what it means. So, you know Someone with knowledge.  

Yes. Someone who is in that line of work who you know, you go, this is exactly   what it is. So   that's that's the tradition of behavior.   Common law is the received behavioral application of God's law   as we've applied it in pragmatic living. That's what it means. We've actually this is how you do it. Right? What what does it mean to be charitable? It means this. This is how the English did it. The French did it slightly different or whatever. It doesn't matter. You've gotta do it your way within your tribe. And if it's law, it will work.   And, of course, l a w, as I understand it, stands for these and this we were talking about this last night with some really good with a guy that I'd love to get on the show at some point as I get to know him a bit better.  

It's it's addressing the division of law.   So law is law. It's one thing, and it's all in there, and it's in the bible for those that can read it right, which is made more difficult by the fact that they keep translating it wrong. And, of course, the power structures of churches, blah blah blah blah. We know all about this. Right? But at at its core initial intent, that's what it's about. But LAW   has split the law into these three dominions. Land   for the l,   a for air,   and w for water. This is where you get the admiralty law and the law of the land and the law of the water, the law of the air. And then they create all these divisions. I see where you're going. You're kind of doing a night.  

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What do they call it? The esoteric?  

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Well, it is, but this   yeah. What we were talking and this is fantastic   last night. Really good. So, kind of,   several steps away in this field from where my knowledge is I don't know all this stuff yet.   But this thing to do and England's pivotal in this. It's absolutely pivotal particularly to do with that period of history around Magna Carta 12/15. There were crusades going on at the same time. Right?   And, That's toward the end of it. Yeah. You've got feudalism on the first day. We have feudalism as this structure, you know, the lord and all that, and you're working as a peasant on the land and all these other things,   which got, where the and then we've got the peasant's revolt in 1381.  

And once you start filling in your history, suddenly, you see the line that you're in right now. You're in it. We're in exactly the same line. It hasn't changed one bit. It's exactly the same thing.   And,   this sort   of situation with Magna Carta is that and this came out yesterday. The Inns of Court   which we know of as like Lincoln's Inn, Grey's Inn, I forgot the note. There's two more. There's four of them. They were formed about 12/20   To begin to   control,   they ended up controlling these three divisions of law, land, air, and water,   which is a way of getting more control and complexity into it.  

Why do you need a barrister? In fact, someone's given the definition of the word barrister.   It comes from bar oh, I can't remember what it is. It's, it means to lie out of your mouth. That's literally what it mean. I can't it's from some French words or Flemish words. I'll have to go back on all of this kind of stuff. So the whole of the language in front of us, as many people now know, is a double meaning language   intentionally.   And   the the King James the first Bible and Shakespeare   play a role   in this amplification of the English language because courtesy of Shakespeare and other people at the time,   they introduced something like an extra 20 to 30,000   words   into language, many of which then take on this complex   understanding.  

And you're talking about minds like Francis Bacon, John d, which we we did a show on him, didn't we? Well, not much of a show, but the double o. You did you did a show a while ago. That was one of your first shows. It was double o seven. It was the seventh show. That's why we did because that was his handle as he went around all these. So there's something about this period of history, which they call the dark ages. There's no dark about it at all. It needs to we have to illuminate it if we wanna get back to trial by jury because   that's 12/15.  

Here we are 02/2012.   Eight hundred and '10 years,   they've been hammering away to knock that thing out of all of it because it's it says quite clearly that it is in perpetuity.   That is the law. Tony Blair, for example, cannot turn around like he did and said, oh, this thing is no longer a treasonable offense. That what he just did was treason,   and he needed to be arraigned before a common law court and tried by his peers. Oh, that's really worrying, isn't it? When you think about them, we don't, you know, the definition of who actually forms the jury. But that's what's out of order. All these multiple decisions   that we are enduring at the tail end of the chain of command, they're all bent. I know I'm only stating the bleeding obvious, but it's I'm just stating it to look at how it is to be corrected.  

And,   yes, I am saying that, XO. Shakespeare and others added an awful lot of words. Shakespeare probably being Edward de Vere   and others. I think there's possibly probably both media of the day. Yeah. Shakespeare.  

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Well, it was. You talk about ability to to   communicate to large crowds of people.  

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I mean, I guess we got to look at who his contemporaries were and what was going on with plays at the time, but the whole the theme of stories and all these other things   that we take for granted,   they're laid down in Shakespeare. I know people find it difficult because the language is a barrier. It is. There's no two ways about it. It's very difficult at times. But the the I see where you're getting at it, though. It's it it is the communication to masses of people because you would have a theater and then you would have an audience. Yeah. That's how you'd introduce the new words. You introduce them through that. Yeah. People hear them go, what does that mean? And, you know, we take words for granted, don't we, all the time? So your assumed   understanding of a word, the court works on that guy. And what's the Roman thing? Let let I'm paraphrasing.  

Let those who will be fooled be fooled. Sorry. Well, that's   us.   That's us. We are fooled all the time.   I don't want it to get too fine detail on this stuff, a, because I'm not properly knowledgeable on this at all. It's the words and then the response to the words  

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that you're acting out. Because in a in a play, you're you're showing   behavior   and you're talking.   Yep. It's kind of the the whole deal with,   Hollywood and its effect on the war effort back in World War   two when it was young.   Yep. You had you had this ability to of mass communication   to reach   lots of people and a lot of ignorant people for that matter.   Not everybody was an intelligent person watching these things getting whipped up to go to war. A lot of them are just they're naive in believing.  

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Yeah. Yeah. These people are evil. We need to kill them at all costs. Of course. The demonization of the opposition out of nothing. Suddenly, everybody hated Germans   because as Eric has pointed out of the willing. Yeah. The propagandists   overnight. Yeah. It happens almost overnight. Yeah.  

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Yeah. It did. But the the thing is the other thing that's overlooked is that   the suicide rate of,   men of military age went through the roof in 1939,   and the newspapers   were printing   lists and lists and lists of poor souls that have committed suicide.   Because remember, the first World War had only been over twenty years prior,   and,   they knew what was gonna happen. Yep. That's something that's left been swept under the, shall we say, the,   historical carpet. You don't hear about that.  

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Do you remember when you do you remember when you Dennis was on, Dennis Wise. I think one of the first shows or maybe I don't know when it was. We ended up talking about John Dee and the Spanish Armada   or Armadas.   There are more than one. Yeah.   I think Dennis says there's three. I think last time I spoke to him, he even suggested there might be four. It's difficult to know with this stuff because everything's tampered with to such a degree.   Dee is probably a pivotal figure in much of this. I mean, this is a guy   who ended up becoming the court magician to Elizabeth the first, who is the daughter   of Henry the eighth.  

And her mother was Anne Boleyn, who was just referenced in that clip about fifteen, twenty minutes ago.   And Boleyn, of course, she did get her head chopped off. I don't know why at the moment. I probably do, but we don't wanna go there. We can do head chopping off another time.   But d is in Mortlake, near Barnes And Mortlake in a district of London. This is in the fifteen hundreds   along with, forgot the name. Is it Kelly or something, his assistant?   And,   legend has it that he summoned a demon   in some way. His private library   was 36,000   books   in fifteen hundred and odd.  

Do you know anybody do you know anybody in your life,   alive now, who's got their own private library of 36,000 books? Maybe Lord Toffino is up the road. Maybe Lord Fockham's got that amount of books, I suppose, in the Fockem Hall Library. Probably way more than that. But just looking back at that time and the expense of a book, books were extremely expensive. They're hand built.   Right?   Although there would have been, obviously, you know,   some printing press work by then. When's Gutenberg   crack it? Was it fourteen hundreds Gutenberg? I can't remember now.   But this is a a big array of knowledge. And   one of the theories floating around this is all it is. It's just I'm speculating here, spitballing, as they say,   is that whatever   Dee summoned has been there's something in league with these islands as something bad. I think there is. I think Churchill was part of that. He was a Druid. There's something dark   at a certain aspect of it.  

We've got the fire of London in 1666.   You've got Sabotage V and the Saboteans hanging around London at the time.   The Saboteans   and worldwide jury were having a big discussion at the time about who was the new messiah because they they definitely had one. I've seen messiahs in my mate, and you're definitely one, you know. I'm going back to that thing. And the choice was between Sabotage V from Smyrna, who'd created the Sabotean cult or subset,   and Oliver Cromwell.   How about that?   Not a lot of people know that, but it's true.   And after they burnt after they burnt London down and it was obviously a, an organized event, it didn't happen in just Pudding Lane or whatever it is. There were people around there setting fire to things.  

It gave them the opportunity, how convenient,   to rebuild the city along Masonic design lines, and all the plans for it were ready practically the next day.   They were just, oh, we just happen to have some plans that we ought. It's a bit like Blue Peter. Well, here's a few plans that we've, that we prepared earlier. We can crack on with it. I'm just throwing a line up and down from here. Paul, you reminded me with John Dee. I've been reading  

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a week or so ago about,   him   just by chance because I was looking up,   the material   of obsidian   and how they used it back in the day to make knives and mirrors. It's volcanic  

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obsidian rock. Yeah. What color is obsidian? Is it dark? Black. Very dark. Black. Jet black. Right? Yep. Yes.  

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And, apparently, Cortes, who is the conquistador   that took you know,   defeated the Aztecs. Right?   The ones, you know, involved in ritual murder and all that kind of thing. He had given an obsidian mirror to John Dee   at a certain point.   I just thought I just thought I'd put that in there because, you you know, the the occult type stuff   that he was involved with and then the stuff going on here in Mexico with the ritual human sacrifices. There's something   something fishy in   to the whole   story that went on there. I don't I don't know enough about it to be able to put it There is. And also the there is something very fishy. And the  

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relationship between England and Rome   is ancient.   There are all sorts of other additional piece yeah. Because   I don't know who they sent here first, the Church of Rome, to turn England Christian.  

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Well, it goes back to the Druids, and Julius Caesar wrote about it in his He did. Book that he wrote. Well, I can't remember. When there was someone came here, whenever it was,  

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and said, I don't need I can't turn them into Christians because they already are.   And the first church in the world was down in Glastonbury in thirty five AD. I've got a book on my shelf called Saint Paul in Britain. It's amazing.   Written by reverend somebody other than eighteen forty two or something like that. Right? I've shown it to Christian people. Of course, they all laugh and go, this is complete rubbish. I go, yeah, alright.   But to me, these things,   there's no smoke without fire. And that story is   of the,   disciples coming here after Christ's death   and coming down to Glastonbury   and establishing the first church   here.  

And   the Druids didn't have a problem with it it because all of the structures of law that are inherent within scripture and what they were talking about are Druidic as well. So you know although we use the word Druid, everybody goes oh they're evil and bad and it's like every other organization.  

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There's evil creeps into all know about it. Yeah. The oldest record is Julius Caesar talking about it. Yeah.   And as far as I know,   and as and as far as most people know. Mhmm. Julius Caesar's description   of the the pagan druids, you know, with their human sacrifice and that sort of thing Yeah. Come from that description.   I mean, what Or Yeah. So as far as the church history though, that's that's a little bit different. I'm I'm not so much familiar with it. I've heard some of the stories, the folklore   Yeah. Like you were talking about with Glastonbury.  

I've heard some of that. And then, what is it?   Who is who is it, one of Nicodemus or one of these these,   Pharisees that had convert you know, been friends with Christ,   making his way up there too. I don't  

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Yeah. I don't exactly know. But if there's where do these come from? Where do these stories come from? Is it local? There's a there's a messing up of of the story lines, I think. I don't I can't tell you exactly how it's messed up, but this something doesn't feel   right. And I don't know if,   I think they're all intertwined.   You know, a point here, just getting back to this thing about how do we behave to bring about this   hellish,   a correction to this hellish situation, which it is,   is this trial by jury stuff because   they wrote it down in 12/15, but it'd been going on for a long time before that. Been going on under Alfred the Great.  

How do you actually deal with lawbreakers in your village? How do you deal with it? Yeah. Well, that goes back to the old testament even to Moses  

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to Deuteronomy   where it said you have your judges in consultation with the Levitical priesthood, the priests of the Mhmm. Tribe of Levi.   They would consult each other and then be informed because you would have people who knew the law   that could apply it with using the the judges being the the the military police force Yes. More or less. In in consultation   with that priesthood   that knew the scriptures, knew the commandments, and then could apply them. And   two two and and they've informed each other. It was a marriage. It wasn't something where one was stronger than the other and that it's supposed to be informed   by the the good moral code   that if, you know, you don't you don't kill people, you don't commit adultery,   you don't steal, you don't lie.  

Yep. Those sorts of things.  

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Yep.   Well, the the knights just hopping around a bit, the knights in these crusades,   they were   sinners big time. Oh. Oh, boy.   And they knew it. And half of them went down for absolution of their sins for repentance purposes. They'd done you know, these were really tough hairy lads. There's nuts always about it. I know we've got this picture of knights in their shining armor being full of shiver. It's not always like that. But  

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it shows you that the there was commerce going on between east and west at the time and that they wanted to reestablish that. There was a desire to have that put back in place where you could you could then grow civilization as a consequence of it because they saw   Christendom is good.   We need to spread this. We don't need, you know, we don't need to just hide in our and build up our castles. We need to go and   go on an adventure.   And the young men, you know, they have their sponsors, like you were talking about. They'd have three horses and their servants and not all their goods Yep. To go along with them on that pilgrimage, which is interesting.   You you talk about English history and,   The Canterbury Tales by Shasser   Yep.  

Talks about that. His his role,   besides being an author,   was customs officer.   So any goods coming into England   at the time, he would be in charge of going through them for the sake of the king   and making an accounting of them and that's where all these stories come into play that he learned about and then were was able to to write down.   And that's why it's such an interesting story to to read that   that old English, you know. I don't know if it's old English or what kind of English it is, but you start reading it in the original English. Yeah. I've which I've done. Right. And and it's   it's fascinating because you see how words are formed, it's crude, but at the same time there's a meaning to it.  

And you Yes. You get the gist of it even though it doesn't sound right to modern ears just like Shakespeare you listen to that you   you people don't talk like that but  

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it's meant for an audience. Or we could try we could have a Shakespearean show we all practice like mad don't we? But I'm done.  

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Good luck. It's tricky. Good luck in everyday conversation.  

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I know. I know. How to be completely impenetrable, but it's, Eric could do it, but I'm Yeah. Eric does it all the time. We're always hanging out at Fockem Hall having a Shakespeare chinwag.  

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Yes. Yes. I I I mean, we're there's   a big problem we got at Follamore at the moment with dogs cocking their legs up. And, you know, we it's, questions to pee or not to pee. That is the question.  

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It is. Actually, by the way, I I actually took the opportunity during the last little music to do just that very thing and feel much happier for it. Nature called in a in a wonderful way. Was by Paul. Yeah. Yeah. You're right.   Yeah. Absolutely.   Oh, the thrills of live Internet broadcasting in a shed.   So yeah. No.   It's like it's what it's all about. But I I mean, I think all this although we're zooming I'm zooming around a bit here, it's all relevant because the purpose of it is to track this line that we're supposed to get onto to correct this   severe crime that we are having to live under. Usury is the severest of all crimes because it infects everyone with this disease. And we know from what we've talked about here on and off,   that all of these civilizations   go down the toilet because of it along with the emancipation of women's sexual liberation. It's a it's a terrible thing. You can't hold it together. The the center just starts to fall apart because people lose a focus for purpose.  

And, you know, when you look at the bills that are coming through,   it's making life meaningless because no one can plan anymore. No one is planning. People will stop to plan. If you can't measure where your expenditure is gonna go because the electricity bill is gonna double   and there's no comeback, we have no sort of consumer pressure group response go, you can't do that. And if you do do that, we're gonna chop your balls off or whatever we're supposed to say or you're going to court.   It's this, and we've all we've got to sort of reacquaint ourselves maybe with a litigious   gene. And it's not really litigious. It's just   the there are crimes taking place.  

People are behaving dishonorably.   They're breaking the moral and ethical code. Here's how they're doing it. The government is saying you will pay more for this, and we will use your money to go and wage war against Russia. And we're going, these people need to be brought to court immediately   and to a common law court with a trial by jury of their peers.   And now we're a long way off from that. But at least getting the conversation go begins to get the images popping up into people's heads of the it should exist.   And should becomes could, becomes would, becomes will, and here it is. Right. Here we go.  

Because it's in our past. This is the wonderful thing about the history. You go, look. They used to do it like that. What went wrong?   This guy turned up with a lot of money, and he paid those and that chip chipped away that little bit. And then fifty years later, that chipped away that little bit. And eight hundred years later, it's all been chipped away. And you've all lost sight of this wonderful thing   that your forefathers   demonstrated to you and left to you, which is when they were much more closely aligned. I'm not saying perfectly aligned by any means. I wasn't alive at the time, but much more closely aligned   with the laws of God that are supposed to be carried by an organized religion that should be saying, we're the safe keepers of the law. Because   if we're not safe keepers of that, we're safe keepers of nothing. There's no point having us. It's the law that protects you and enhances your life and stops usurers   performing their filthy business in your village.  

Because if we find them, we'll bite their bollocks off, to paraphrase Thomas Cromwell. We'll send Claude Norfolk around, and he'll bite your bollocks off, mate. And he does it literally, you know, that's exactly what's gonna happen. It's gotta be that heavy because it kills people. Usually, it kills people. It kills civilizations. That's what it's doing. We all know it. Well How how to correct the disease.  

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Well, whenever a usury has been stopped, the country goes from bust to boom literally overnight. Oh, yeah. Because you're not paying out   billions or trillions of money   into thin air. Yep. Yeah. It goes back to the people. Oh, it's interesting. You meant yeah. You mentioned people, like,  

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break away from the usury   system and start their own government based on a a fair   wage system   of value.   The I was listening earlier today to the d day,   broadcast of Fibber McGee. You know Fibber Fibber McGee and Molly, Paul?  

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Yeah.  

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That that little broadcast, the That comedy duo. Yes. They're they're wonderful. It's wonderful, actually. It's wonderful show. Well, but at the same but at the same time, it was propaganda   for the war Yeah. To to get people involved in that. Yeah. And   they in fact,   where they broadcast that from was Rockefeller,   30 you know, they call it 30 Rockefeller Center, the building, the big building.   And,   it's just interesting trying to get people   revved up to go fight the evil Germans who had defeated usury and and and bring them back into the fold of usury,   usurious,   loans and that sort of thing. Yep. And the same   same place   that they did the Fibber McGee type stuff in Rockefeller Plaza   is where they have MSNBC, which is Bill Gates operation now.  



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Oh, Bill. Nice lad. Just to give his mother flowers on it.  

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Yeah. Exactly. And all of this stuff with the co with COVID and the clot shots and all of these things that they tried to to push on people. It's the same group of people.   Yeah. When you think about it, it's the same place, same group of people   pushing the propaganda.   They have the microphone. They have the megaphone.   People's attention. Because most people, like you said, like Paul Beiner was saying, their attention span is a TikTok video,  

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and then they move on to something else. How do we summon the evil spirit of Sefton Delmer?   Eric and get him to work on our side. Yeah. Sefton Delmer was black ops for British propaganda during World War two. Oh, yes. Good comments here in the in the chat.   XO votes for forceful lobotomizing.   I don't know how forceful it is, really. If you set up a lobotomization   center and you can get the lobotomies, is that what they would be called, to turn up and be lobotomized,  

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I guess we might have a think a thing going. I've got a question. Eric, have you heard of Charlie and his orchestra?  

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Yes. Oh, okay. Because I I I heard that from  

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thanks to Paul. Here. It was a few weeks back. Couple of weeks ago. I'd never heard of it before then, and, you know, I'm absolutely hooked on it. I I I think they're bloody good. You know? Well, Sharon Charlie needs orchestra. Absolutely. From my end, shout out to to Maleficus who actually brought that to my attention a couple of years back. So Maleficus, that's a biggie. Yeah. They're fantastic.   And there's a there's a whole,   sort of catalog of music that needs to be completely AI ed and cleaned up and audio enhanced, it would be just amazing. And we get around to that at some point. All the toys are out there to do all this stuff and to really make things sparkle in a way that they probably haven't sparkled for many a year. But that's,   a question here as well from Alvin Kurt.  

How do you normally deal with a parasite infestation?   Do you starve it? Do you introduce something that is toxic to it? I don't know. It's a very good question because that's what we've got.   Usury is parasitism.  

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There's no two ways about it. We're fighting ignorance because you ask anybody in the street what usury is, they shrug their shoulders, they haven't got a clue. Yeah. Even the people who think you think are educated, they don't know what usury is. And once you start to explain it,   their eyes go up in the sky, and they just couldn't give it   monkeys.  

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It's Well, it's it's down to us to get them to give those monkeys up, Eric. I want their monkeys.   We've got to well, if it's not down to us, who's it down to? I mean, I'm I'm just trying to say, you know, I'm gonna wake up tomorrow morning. I'm gonna do certain things. I pretty much know how my day's gonna go, but it won't be right. I'll get the end of the day and go, there's something I should be doing   that's gonna make a much bigger impact with regards to all of this that I'm currently doing. I'm I'm, you know, I'm not trying to beat myself up. I'm just saying   you need to get to the end of every day and go, I could've done better because it's always true, and it's a motivator for tomorrow. So that's really But You know?  



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The the big problem, though, is people are it's true what George can't do. And I don't wanna sound smug by saying this, but people are stupid.   And I can almost guarantee that   they will have to do a false flag to get this country involved in a war, and it'll be the most probably ridiculous false flag you think I ever think of.   And there was, a chappy talking the other day.   I can't remember his name. And he was saying that,   Ukrainians have got,   drones which will go a thousand miles.   So from Ukraine, they could hit London. They could get anywhere virtually in Europe.   Yeah. And all they have to do is,   paint it in Russian   colors and that and say that it's from Russia.  

And suddenly, and people would believe it. And they could even say it's got a nuclear, was it a a chemical   warhead on it? Yeah. So we'll all have to have the jab   to protect ourselves from these terrible chemicals that don't exist.  

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You're missing your calling, Eric. You need to be worse working in the Ministry of Propaganda, sir.   Probably a good salary.   How many drones do you think the British military have got?   Oh, we've got some really good ones. Just listen to I bet they've got loads. 11. I bet the British ministry have got bloody loads. I don't buy I don't think we can buy anything that they say about anything.   Nothing.   Not a thing. Drone warfare   invalidates   aircraft carriers.   They're finished. Aircraft carriers over. Well, you you can you can build 10,000 drones for £50,   and that's it.  

What are you gonna do with that?   There's there's I mean, it's just it's changed the whole nature of how they deal with this stuff.   So but, I mean, you're right. Maybe they will do it. I mean, I was just thinking then when you were talking about a false flag operation. So maybe they'll have a Cossack   running around the car park at the Houses of Parliament letting all the tires down.   Evil Russians. Yes. Letting down the tires, burning cars. Look at it. And he'd be all cackling with a big beard, and he'll have those boots on that you've been talking about, Patrick, those big Russian boots.   And they'd be dancing.  

Yeah. Blinky.   Yeah. It's just, you know, let's really ham it up. I mean, it's just But it reminds me of the three stooges we were talking about.  

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Zelensky,   threatening   when, JD Vance, oh, you'll feel the pressure, our pressure. You'll feel it. You'll feel it. Yeah. It's like a threat. It's   like getting people all riled up and angry.  

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Yep. Well, Godfrey   Bloom   sorry. I didn't mean to talk over you, Pat. Go ahead. Go ahead. Sorry. Yeah. But Godfrey Bloom, he is an military bloke. It's quite interesting. I don't agree with all what he says, but he is interesting.   And he said that, nowadays, in the navy,   there's submarines and everything else as a target.   And that's it. He said the idea the days of aircraft carriers and ships are gone because all you need is some drones and that's it. You've lost them. Yep. So he said it's it's pointless. And he reckons that,   some of these,   extremist groups, they could actually sink   an American aircraft carrier with ease. Now   it can be done.  



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Oh, yeah.   The the the whole miss hypersonic missiles and and torpedoes and that cavitation torpedoes, they can just easily do that kind of thing. And there's no need for the aircraft carrier. Maybe the people's defense bringing things right round full circle  

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against drones is to form crossbow gangs.   We just take them out with crossbows.   Right? You go,   it's all back.   That's what you do.  

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They're   starting up because, whenever you see,   some time ago, there's a picture of a cat with a crossbow bolt through its head. And what they would do, they always show animals and that.   I think I mean, they've taken all our all the other weapons away from us, and I think the crossbows   are the next on the list. But what they don't realize is that they can be made. You can make them.   With guns well, yes. But they'll be very, very difficult. But with crossbows,   they are I wouldn't say they're simple to make, but anybody that's good at DIY could knock one up with ease. Yeah. And,   there's a chat that shows you how to make one just using a Stanley knife, the minimum of tools.  

Yeah. So it can't be done. Yep.  

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Okay. Well, maybe we do a show on how to make your own crossbow. We'll have to do a video for that. Right. We've got some bit of sticky back plastic and some rubber pads.  

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The thing of it is though, is it really necessary? Is it is it ever gonna, you know   I think we can do accomplish a lot with just talking.  

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That that's the thing. I think we have to I think we violence. Me too. I think we have to accomplish it all with talking   and structured talking. And I I think, you know, coming back to what you were saying, Eric, about   people being ignorant of things,   it's not surprising that they are. The question, you know, you can talk yourself into doing nothing here. It's very easy. You just say, oh, well, they'll never be able to work it out anyway. I think this is down to the teachers.   I think they can. I'm serious. I I actually we're not talking about something complicated, but we're talking about a field where whenever it has been talked about, it's been talked about by experts who do talk about it in a complicated way, which makes it inaccessible   to the layman. That's why I was talking about this. Writing for the layman is the highest form of writing. I mean it. I'm not mocking about. If you can't get things across simply and easily, you're not you're failing at what you're doing. If you look at copywriters that write   advertising, they really know how to use words to get things across quick and so that you understand it. One of the things that   I looked at years ago, one of the things that's brilliant   is comic books for teaching complicated   mechanical tasks. I think in the US military, they used to have them. Many things, you know, you you're having to train maintenance engineers and stuff like that to take engines apart. No. No. They used it over here. It's a brilliant medium.  

You just have a character talking, and you just explode things through a series of illustrated,   still pictures, which gives the reader time to absorb each one at their own speed. They go you can teach really complicated stuff. What what we require even before that, it seems to me, maybe,   is   is to get that fire burning in people. Some kind of mild but really serious alarm   Optimism. Has to be sounded inside every frame, every individual   body. They have to go. There's something they know that there's something wrong, and it's introducing them to the room just off to the left that they never noticed before. He said, there's a meeting taking place there in three minutes. You wanna come in? Only last ten minutes would be great. Yeah. Alright. Coming. Free cup of coffee. That sort of stuff. It's that sort of stuff. Spot spot spot on. It's what and it also has to be,  

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I think, although I haven't got much time for Gandhi,   peaceful,   completely,   civil disobedience.   Peaceful civil disobedience. That is really what is necessary. Don't they have a monument?   Goes nowhere. It it never has proved anything. Never will prove anything. Isn't there a Gandhi monument at Westminster?  

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There may be. Or or parliament? Probably is. Yeah. There may be. Yeah. There may well be. Yeah.  

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They they generally have a lot of traitors there, you know, monuments to them. But   the the thing is is is that   this idea that we've got that we need a leader, that is the the other thing. We see we've been like sheep schooled to believe that we look for a leader. No. If we look for what I look for is You're gonna be in the mirror. Yeah. Exactly. You've gotta be it. Yeah. I mean, you look at I'm probably repeating myself here, and I am. I know I am.   But you look at the Boers when they fought the British.   Now the Boer War, they were South African farmers,   and they didn't really have a structured rank or anything like that. They're all very much individuals.  

Yet,   they pinned down the British army, which was the one of the most advanced armies in the world in those days.   They actually the British army, it just couldn't couldn't beat them. They literally were unbeatable.   Look at the yellow vests before they got infiltrated.   Almost unbeatable.  

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This is what we need. Something like that. It's something about this movement locally. I mean, it for example,   you're in a meeting, Eric, and you start talking about usury, and you're talking about it because nobody else in the meeting can. In fact, they didn't even know what the word was until you brought it up, that kind of situation.   Now at that moment, you're you're leading the conversation.   I think leadership, you see, is an event. It's not really I've always thought it's an event. I think it naturally happens.   It's happened here when one of us has been leading the conversation with whatever topic or field we wanna take it into. It's important. And we're   useful space where people are able to listen,   we would call it say microphone discipline around here in this particular situation. It works.  

When you've got when you go too far with certain individuals, it doesn't. I don't think the idea is too complicated.   I I've boiled it down at the moment to the fact is you live in a nation.   Yeah. You have a government. Yeah. You do working and spending and tax paying and dying here. Right? Yeah.   Why do you not own   the bank of your nation?   Why would I need to do that   to stop someone else owning it? Because someone else does own it and they own it to their advantage   and to your colossal disadvantage,   and that's breaking the law. And we've got to find, you know, even that's not good enough. I accept that. But it's drilling down into really simple things. I I actually did get a lot of traction when I would say to people,   do you own shares in the Bank of England? And they would have a quizzical look come across their face, which is good. And they go, can you own shares in the Bank of England? I said, well, some people can, but not people like you and me. Don't you think that's a bit weird? A bit queer. With the highways in Palestine, you have the the Palestinian Highway, and it's segregated from the Jewish highway. And Yep. It's it's no coincidence that in Tel Aviv they've got a Rothschild Avenue.  



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Yeah. So it's the same group of people you have ruling over you there making the same type of rules excluding you.   You're essentially   Palestinians   in your own country.  

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Then shouldn't we be making rules? Could we make rules that excludes them?   Actually, those rules have already been made. It's just that they've been breached.   So I mean I was asking those questions purely you   know to just begin to get people to think of the sentences it's literally that basic   it's no wonder people believe what they believe when you look at what they consume down the television   right   so   there's no point even blaming people. I we're talking about the, you know but the yeah. They're all gonna be idiots. Yeah. So what? That's what you've got. That's that's how it is. It's like this now. That's who we have to work with.   And,   also, each of us, in a process like this, are gonna get embarrassed when when we trip up because it's gonna happen.  

And,   it just will. And somebody bright is gonna come into the room at a particular point of conversation, at a particular aspect,   and you gotta be always be humble enough to go, you. What what are you right. This guy's in charge for the next fifteen minutes because we're talking about this. And you have to sit back and you've got to be in a student. It's that. That stuff doesn't happen in politics because it's a matured permanent position nonsense.  

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Oh, no. I do this. Yeah. I never get it wrong. The Zelensky like like the Zelensky and Trump thing. Yep. Then nobody's admitting that they're wrong. They're all right. There's no there's you know, all that's and it's worse. Getting in the way. Absolutely.  

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It is. And it's a key part of human makeup. Nobody likes to be witnessed to be an asshole,   but you're gonna be be a fool. Yeah. No one wants to be, but guess what? You're gonna be.   And once you get used to it, you go, hey. It's not too bad. No. It's alright. And if particularly with a forgiving what happens is once it happens,   in a group situation, everybody else knows that they're possibly in line for an embarrassing moment too. So they will treat people   are your peers. Yeah. And they will treat people who are exposed in that in a kindly and more compassionate way because, hey, it could be me next. It probably will be, but don't worry. We're not gonna give you it in the neck either because now we've all admitted that we've we're we're all, you know, a sandwich short of a picnic. And we are, all of us. We're all I mean, if we weren't, you wouldn't get up tomorrow morning and go, I know everything,   and I can't be bothered to do anything now. I can't I don't wanna do that because I know everything. Well, you're never gonna get to that point, thankfully. It's never gonna be like that. I think  

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I think the most awake time, and I don't like using that word awake,   was after the first World War because people knew about usury then   and knew all about it. And this country was literally   on   on the till almost   was gonna be a revolution. Almost.   And that's where propaganda came into play.   And I can see the similar things happening in this country again,   but it won't be the same as after the first World War because there was lots of associations,   veterans veterans associations   that were militant.   And, of course, you had a lot of young men that were military trained, and you could buy firearms   over the,   table,   virtually the same as you can buy in some states in America today. Yep. We're in a different situation.  



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And then the way they get get at those groups, Eric, is they corrupt them morally.  

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Correct. And they infiltrate it. And not only that,   they use the same things. Like, there's going to be a spiritual awakening.   That was all invented by the,   secret service.   And all this is gonna happen. Oh, you know.   It was   they're using this exactly the same techniques.   Very clever. Very very clever. But simple in the other way.   But no. They infiltrated the militant groups and destroy them from within. That's what they do  

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today. This is what they do with most of these groups. Well, I think talking about, I you're right. I think talking about the local   resources   is important.   Like I mentioned, I went for a walk the other day. Did I mention this last week? I don't know.   I was there's a church yard. You know where I walk? And I went in, and I sat down in the church for about maybe I mentioned this last week, but it's worth mentioning again. I sat down You did it. Yeah. Ten or fifteen minutes is great. And I was passing it again the other day. I didn't go in this time. I didn't need to, but they've got a big scout hut there.   They've got a fantastic parish hall. And I'm I'm when I walked past it, the other day, I thought, oh there's a good courthouse.  

I'm just you know why not?   Why why can't so many things be tried locally by local juries and people be involved in these things? Of course you've then got the challenge of how do we find the jurors?   Is there gonna be jury rigging?   Is somebody gonna try and rig juries? Of course they are. Gonna be your neighbor   Yep. Ultimately.  

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It's gonna be somebody that you, you know, you it should be your neighbor. Someone who knows you knows what you're up to   Yeah. And and and can judge   one way or the other about what you're doing. But what you're talking about I'll give you an example of what I'm trying to do here   is I have have my neighbor down the road from here. We've been having meeting at his house   for bible study and catechism every Wednesday.   Yeah. And it's just recently we we got permission to go to our our parish   and   and start it there instead of at his private house. We have it at the church so that then we can   get more people involved.  

Yeah. Get more people in learning the the morality   morality in the scripture   and learning   proper behavior, learning about things like usury because that's how you're gonna be able to present it is this isn't something we're just coming up because we're pissed off about some some Yep.   Bank that we got didn't get along with. No. This is a historical precedent that's been along   since the dawning of man. You know, you had Cain and Abel. One was jealous of the other. And that's, you know, they thought they should have the glory. And and that's kind of what it boils down to with   money and that kind of thing. It's like one person wants it all. They want all the glory. They want all the the Yep. Treats and, like, the Yeah. They do. And they'll to hell with that one. We got three minutes left, lads, by the way, to talk. Right. Because I'm gonna hard we're gonna hard end at eleven. Bang on. So Okay. So very quickly, I had deleted through my post because there's local elections soon,  

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from the anybody heard of the British   Democratic   Party?   Now this is new, and I looked No. Through it. It's about immigration,   and I recognized some faces there.   I think I think it's an offshoot of the BNP,   the old BNP. I think the peep people started What's it called again, Eric? The the British,  

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Democratic Party Party. British Democratic Party. Yeah. I'm I'm familiar with them. Eric is it Eric Luthwaite who is the head of us? Yeah. Yeah.  

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Yeah. Do you know much more about I mean, I don't know much about them. No. I don't. Are they BMPs?  

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I think some of them must yeah. There must be all sorts of overspill with with that kind of stuff.   I mean,   it's difficult to say.   If I know Nick Griffin now is completely   closed   off, rightly so, I think, to the idea that there's a political solution in terms of political parties. I agree with that. But maybe political parties could be useful, not in terms of the fact that they're gonna get elected on these things. I don't think that's the case. But if they become   much more sophisticated in terms of their communication   pitch to highlight these things, I'm still more interested in things like consumer pressure groups because it sounds softer, and it is.  

And and it and it's gentler, which it is. Of course, the worry is, is it gonna be is it gonna move quick enough?   But it is about if we are classed as consumers, which is how they, you know, useless eaters. Okay. Fair enough.   You know, like about, oh, you really hurt my feelings, you fat assholes. This is the way I think about it. It's like, oh, that's good. Oh, aren't you rude?   It's so funny. They sat around thinking of terms for all this kind of stuff, pathetic little gits. But I think,   we softly spoken stuff   is the way to go. It it and and with kindliness and warmth,   but with that barb in it of truth because it will feel like a barb.  

And,   you know, Mark Rylance did a pretty good thing there as Thomas Cromwell. I was pretty heavy what you send that guy,   but he he said it in a very polite and clear and measured way, and that's what makes it so effective.   That is what makes it effective.  

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You know? I think we have to act as signposts   where people,   how can I explain it? It's a bit like tribes, the jungle. What they do now, where there's these tribes that don't realize that there's other   humans around,   they let the tribe discover them. They don't walk into the tribe. They got to and I think we got to let people discover for themselves.   Let them   we just give them enough information   for them to discover these things themselves.   Yes. Because,   I I I mean, I was speaking to a girl once who   I was talking to her about modern history. And he could tell, as I was talking to her, the penny was dropping.   So I didn't go too heavy. I just backed off a little bit. And suddenly,   this was, the, truth group that I used to go to. Suddenly,   she came along. She's, you're right. I've been looking it up. So sometimes it happens like that. But it's best not to go too heavy. You just act as a signpost all the time. You're just pointing people in the direction.  

And I'm just keeping it light all the time. I think there's something happens that that goes  

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where it bursts out of all of this earnest   ground laying work.   Because whilst you're in this process, you're looking around and there's still the same people for years and years. You're thinking that we're not going anywhere. And it's often the case that people don't go anywhere, but they can occur and it does occur that suddenly for whatever reason, three or four extra people come along one week   and another 10 the week after that. There's nothing, then another eight, and suddenly   it's of a different size. And when it gets to a different size, the communication challenges change   and,   the power of the group goes up exponentially   all the time because what's being generated is subconscious agreement for something. People will walk into the room and won't even know what you're talking about. But because a lot of other people are in there   and there's an energy, a certain type of intensity about it, the thing begins to motor and go. Of course, ultimately, I suppose these things often get out of hand, you know, without serious levels of control, and that's when you'll get your infiltrators in public spaces.  

So knowing how to structure that is difficult, but   then again, I have no idea what other option we've got. We need to we want to speak to our fellow man   because we actually need them if we are to get back to a a place of decency, and we believe, rightly,   that they will be positively   changed by this as well. And, so you really don't have too much of the choice. You know, the thing it has got to get to a certain scale, it seems to me to have power. And when it does, it comes along with all sorts of other additional sorts of little problems and issues and things like this. So   we've got, we've got about a minute left to chat, lads. I'm gonna play the song in about a minute. So any   little closing words for this week? I'm hoping to be far less coffee next week, but you never can tell. But   a lot I really enjoyed tonight, actually.  

Tremendous stuff.  

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Thanks for inviting me on. Very kind. Yeah. Good. Sure, Paul. Yeah. Good. Yeah. Cool. I've really enjoyed tonight. It's it's excellent. I I mean, I've found a lot  

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my knowledge of the Crusades has increased because I knew absolutely zilch about them. Me too. Yeah. Me too. I'm sure we can get more detailed about it, but it's relevant to now.   Quite do we need another crusade? Well, we need the true crusader spirit,   which is an honorable thing. You will think that if you read that book. It's an honorable thing they did it. Of a martyr. It is.   It's the spirit of saying my people really count. And without them, I'm nothing. And therefore, I'm prepared to do this.   Under this these arrangements, this has to be done if we are to have a future. And we've got a lot of   crusading   actions to fight. We've got to fight against the usurers. We need the we need the restoration of true law under the ordinance of God.  

We need these things. And when it gets clear with people, they go, why were we not using these things in the first place? Well, we fell asleep on them.   Gentlemen, thank you very much,   and thank you everybody for putting up with my slightly coffee approach this week. And I'm glad we did go on for three hours. I wasn't so sure we were gonna do that. We will, of course, be back again next week at the same   time. And,   if I dig up some more stuff and lads and lasses, I'll keep you informed ahead of time.   We maybe take a, more of a dive into Magna Carta and these sorts of things because I think they're relevant.   They are being offered back to us, and we need to pick them up, dust them off, and look at how we can apply them to,   to get Keir Starmer to, not turn up for work anymore. Just bugger off, will you? And all your mates too. You're not wanted. You're no good, and you know it. So,   and we'll see if there's any more episodes of the Three Stooges. Anyway, keep well, everybody. Thanks everyone in the chat.  

We'll be back again same day next week. Bye for now.