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Broadcasts live every Thursday at 8:00p.m. uk time on Radio Soapbox: http://radiosoapbox.com

 This week, Paul welcomes Christopher Sparks, who joins us to discuss his monumental work, the Keys of the Kingdom Bible. Christopher shares his journey from a life-changing spiritual awakening to dedicating 27 years to translating the Bible with unparalleled accuracy. 

 The episode delves into the intricacies of biblical translation, the importance of understanding the original texts, and the pitfalls of traditional translations. Christopher explains how his translation aims to restore the original scriptures' organic purity, free from the distortions and inaccuracies that have plagued previous versions. 

 Paul and Christopher also touch upon the historical context of biblical texts, the significance of the 12 tribes of Israel, and the often-misunderstood concept of sin. They discuss the importance of having a family Bible to record births, deaths, and marriages, and how this tradition can be revitalized with the Keys of the Kingdom Bible. 

 This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in biblical studies, historical accuracy, and the quest for spiritual truth. Don't miss out on this enlightening conversation that promises to challenge conventional wisdom and offer fresh insights into the Word of God.

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Wow. That cuts off abruptly, doesn't it? Hi, everyone. Welcome back. It is Thursday   9th of May 2024.   Springtime is fully upon us. It's lovely. It's even light as I look outside   my window. This is Paul English Live. We're here with you every Tuesday. Let's crack on with the show. Every Thursday, of course, not every Tuesday. Every Thursday.   Yeah. Hi, everyone, and welcome back.   Another week in the bag. Lasted about 35 minutes, this one seems to me. Although today's been nice and long,   probably something to do with the sunshine.   And if you've seen the ad for tonight's,   show or this afternoon show, depending on what part of the world you're in,   My guest is lined up. He's ready to go. He's got brand new pair of trousers on. Christopher Sparks is gonna be joining us momentarily.  

And, greetings and, good afternoon, good evening to everybody in the Rumble chat. If you wanna participate in the chat whilst the show is running   running through, always a good move. If you feel a bit typey or a bit, chatty,   then head on over to Rumble. You can find the link to the Rumble room atpaulenglishlive.com.   The link is on the left hand side of the page there,   and, it's a good place to hang out with all these other reprobates.   Yeah. Hi, everyone. Welcome back. As I said, it's, Thursday. I always seem to get my days muddled or something muddled at the beginning. I have no idea what that's all about. It's just, just one of those things. But, yeah, Thursday 9th May.   We're here on WBN 324. We're here every every Thursday for a couple of hours. Sometimes, there's an after show that runs on a bit if people are feeling a bit chatty. But, we will see. And as I was saying there in the intro, coming up momentarily, Christopher Sparks,   we're gonna be doing   a a really good   interview with him. I hope we're gonna be doing a really good interview. In fact, I feel that we are, is to really get a background of a spectacular project.  

You might be able to throw in some other adjectives as well, but a really immense project that he's been involved with for the last couple of decades and more, which has all been bearing fruit quite recently.   Before I bring Christopher on, though, I wanted to talk a little bit again about Julius Caesar, as you do. I'm sure most of you during the week have been thinking a lot about Julius Caesar. I know I do.   Actually,   my silliness aside, last week,   when I was on with Paul and Patrick, we were touching upon some of these figures throughout history that had a problem, you know, with the banking system. You may remember in part of the show, we were talking about Stephen Mitford Goodson's book   about the history of central banking,   which I've just about finished probably for the 4th time.  

It's a great   thing to read,   because it's a it's a very easy book to read. It's a blast to read, and it's full of really cogent and useful arguments and insights into,   well, the mace the basic theme or one of the primary themes down here on planet Earth for the last 2 or 3000 years.   During the week, however, and   Mullins'   report about Caesar kind of contradicts,   and Mullins' report about Caesar kind of contradicts   the assessment that Goodson made.   So I just wanted to mention this, you know, because I'm like that. It's a bit like last week's news.   It may have happened 2000 years ago, but really it's only last week that we were talking about it, although I was. So there we go. You know, it's all quite recent.  

Anyway, Goodson just to recap, Goodson mentioned that, when Caesar   came into Rome with about I think he was only there for 4 years. But when he arrived, there were about 300,000 people living on the streets,   and, he ended up,   making adjustments to the way that the banking system worked. You couldn't pay more interest than the actual sum of the capital, and so on and so forth.   And these had spectacular effects. But as we all know, courtesy of history, courtesy of William Shakespeare, courtesy of many sources,   he was assassinated   on the, on the steps of the senate,   having made his bodyguard stand down that morning.  

And Goodson's line was that because of these steps that he'd taken against the patrician, the lander earning, the creditor class, they they were very cross with him about this and decided to do him in and so did. So that's that approach.   But Mullins writes something slightly different, which I just wanted to mention.   He talks about the influence   of the Jewish community of Rome on Caesar,   and this is very interesting because I'd not read this before. Actually, I did, but years ago. I'm just going over some of his works as well again, sort of with a new eye, a refreshed eye after many years of looking at these things.   And it turned out that he was pretty much their man.  

He'd,   he started off as a lawyer,   went off, did all the battle stuff, did very well at that, of course.   But when he came back, he he did a lot of things   favorably for them. One of the things that allowed them to do is that they were exempt from military service.   And another thing, this is according to Mullins in in his book,   he also allowed them to send gold back to Jerusalem for religious rites and ceremonies and all this kind of stuff.   And it turns out, according to Mullins I'm just throwing this in as counterpoint to what I said last week,   that Brutus and the other 53 people or whoever it was, there was about 50 of them that confronted Caesar on the steps,   they were hacked off with Caesar, according to Mullins, because of these privileges   that had been granting to this particular class of people. And so   they killed him.  

How about that? Now which one's right?   Both Goodson and Mullins are no longer with us, unfortunately, so we can't have them have a fight.   And, possibly, I think it's a case where maybe both stories are true. It just needs to be retold or re thought about a little bit. But I wanted to just drop that in, because, you know, a little bit of history is always a good thing. Isn't it? It seems to me it is.   So that was it. That's my opening little salvo. No current news this week necessarily because nothing's going on, is it? Only some local elections, ruination of the nation, that kind of stuff. You know, things that have been going on for a long time.   Anyway, so there we go. That's the wrap up of the intro.  

My guest is Christopher Sparks, and, if you've seen the, the little picture,   for today, it's a wonderful picture. I think I'm I don't know if we've used him before. I might have for a previous show, but yes I did actually. It's an illustration by Gustave Dore,   which has been colored,   a colorized version. The original, of course, is black and white. I don't know if you've ever seen any of Dore's original black and white etchings and drawings, but I would strongly   recommend them if you want to drift off into another world because they're quite breathtaking anyways.   And many of you will have noticed   that the image is of the tower of Babel.  

How about that? And because Babel, of course, is concerned with the confusion of languages   and the misinterpretation   of languages, it seemed like an appropriate theme for Christopher.   So, Christopher,   are you there, and welcome to the show?  

[00:08:38] Unknown:

Yes. I am. Are you hearing me?  

[00:08:40] Unknown:

Loud and clear. You sound marvelous. Yeah. How are you this fine early summer evening? Are you okay?  

[00:08:47] Unknown:

Yeah. Never been better. Thank you, Paul. Yes. Yeah. Rejoicing in the Lord God. That's,   all the glory to him. And, you put him first, and then your way will be,   light. There will be lamps and lights   ahead of you.  

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Yeah. So   now we we've actually met face to face, haven't we? We met about   a month ago. Would it be about a month back? I think it was, wasn't it? Yeah. Rather chilly. Beginning of April. It was. Yeah. Absolutely.   And, In Stenning.   In Stenning. Absolutely. In the back I went there yesterday.   Did you? So the cream tea was that good. It drew you back, did it?  

[00:09:29] Unknown:

Well,   I was a little bit late for the green tea, but  

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yeah. But so you're back. I've had some  

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other things to do that.  

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So you're you're headed back. So, yeah, I just want I remember I think I spent more time talking day out. Yes. Sorry.  

[00:09:49] Unknown:

Yeah.   It's alright.  

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Yeah. I was just,   I I think we had a lot I had a lot of chat about cream teas afterwards, really. I kept on sending pictures of cream teas to people, which is a bit sad, isn't it? That one was okay, the one that we had that day, but it was great to meet you.   And the reason we got together, and course, that's really been the the preamble to this,   getting you here today for this,   was to do with   the work that you've been involved with for the past two and a half decades, 25, 26 years,   which I became aware of probably not so long ago, maybe only about 2 months back, I think. Probably about a month before we met. And   I thought I thought it would be a good place to start at the beginning, really, because very few people will know of your work. Actually, a lot more will know of it,   now than knew of it 2 months ago, because obviously or whenever the book first came out, which is maybe a year, a year or so back, couple of years back.  



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2 years.  

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2 years.   So Yeah. I'd be very interested to hear your backstory.   Who's Christopher Sparks, and what is he doing writing these books? What   what is it that has brought you to this point, Christopher?  

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Yeah. Does anybody really know?  

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I don't know. You would.  

[00:11:10] Unknown:

Yes. The man with no name, lons lons sont non.   Well, my parents met through cricket.   My dad was captain of the college cricket team, and,   my mother used to do the scoring for the army cricket team. And so she asked my dad if his team had and he said, no. And she said I could do it, so he did. Her real motive was that, she fancied him.   Alright.   So, so she scored.   And Oh, wow. And,   yeah. So,   my mother was,   she   a teacher, primary school teacher. She played piano and sang a bit   and read everything and every,   nonfiction and fiction.   And, my father was also a teacher, English and drama teacher,   and, he acted and produced plays and wrote plays, and he wrote poetry and published poetry reviews in the national paper,   and I have some of the still have some of the books he reviewed.  

And,   Yeah. He he could just play anything on the piano. We couldn't read music, and he had a wonderful singing voice, and,   he painted and, drew cartoons,   which I still have, and he published   probably about 200 essays, and I've still got all those.  

[00:12:31] Unknown:

So What year is this, Christopher? What what decade are we talking about? Yeah? That sixties Well, I was born in 1951.   What a wonderful year. Okay.  

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Right. Yeah.   It was a good year. It was. And my brother, 2 years later Yes. And so   we just grew up my brother and I just grew up with this   in this environment   of piano playing and paintings   around. My grandfather was a a wonderful professional watercolorist   in the tradition of John Constable.   Oh, wow.   Very rich then in that field. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. And all this writing and acting, my dad used to,   pull off skits to make us little boys laugh in the kitchen, and I can still remember exactly one of them. And I   reenact it sometimes or used to reenact it for my children.  

So then there was also, you know, cricket.   So that's what we do in the in this in the Sparks family. We teach   and, we do all the arts and we play cricket.  

[00:13:35] Unknown:

And no It sounds almost English and idyllic, Chris. That's what it sounds like. Yes. Is that what it was? Could be English. Yes. Yes.  

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And so then   oh, I guess when I was,   maybe about 7 or 8,   my parents started going to the local Catholic church.   And so,   Martin my brother Martin and I were taken along, but,   then the then the Beatles appeared.   She loves you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that Twist and shut. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. And,   so, I mean, this was a kind of division,   between the generations   and was created deliberately to be so.   And,   so I stopped going along to this church, but I believed in, you know, that   God in Christ certainly did. And then my brother stopped going, then my dad stopped going, and then my mom stopped going.   And,   so then it was in around,   well, I'd say at school. I went to a Catholic school,   and I was a loner, but there was a chapel there and I used to go in there sometimes.  

I just sort   of didn't feel I quite fitted in.   And so, yes, sculpt around on my own writing a little notebook. And one day, I dropped dropped my notebook down a moat, but but no water in it. And there's a building called the castle in the school, and so we weren't allowed to jump down this moat, but I had to get my notebook back. So so I did jump down and get it. Right.   So then,   1979   was it 79? Yes. It was. I was in a wine bar listening to a folk band, and in the interval, I got talking to the leader of this folk band, and he was a Christian,   bible believing Christian.  

And so because he was also,   totally immersed in the arts,   in the same way,   So we had a lot to talk about. So then we became really good friends, and he asked me to join this band. So we used to do various things, music   and   poetry   together.   And   and   then   one   day,   and   it was December 8, 1979, I was in Brighton at a friend's wedding,   and I was with,   the bridegroom's best man in a pub, and I was telling him about   God. And,   and then I rang this Irish musician,   and I said, would it be alright if I appeared in your one of your services tomorrow?   And, of course, this is what he'd been praying for.  



[00:16:16] Unknown:

And, so As a musician, it was interesting. To turn up and be a musician at one of his services or or in another cabaret just to attend it? Yeah. No. It wasn't to go and blow my harmonica in the middle of the summer.  

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No. It was just to attend a service. You know, it was a little tin shack building.   I was only living about 50 yards from it. Right. And so,   on Sunday mornings, I see these people and they looked interesting. They didn't look like ordinary church people, you know. They look like Oh, now what do ordinary church people look like, Chris? I know what you mean, but we've all got our own view, but I I think I know what you mean. Yep. Yep. That's that's a good question. So if you like a little bit more bohemian. So that that appeal to me. But Right.   But I've become very good friends with this   musician.  

He's Irish, and a lot of my most of my best friends have been Irish.   And,   so I went into the service, and I heard hymns being sung. And I hadn't heard these before, and prayers,   and the Bible   absolutely   absolutely intrigued by this, and I was loving it.  

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And So this is many years after you'd after you'd drifted away in the sixties, I guess. This is what? 15 years after that? Something like that? So this is 1979,  

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which come on.   28.   Yeah. And,   so   writing and reading all the time,   and, of course, playing cricket and county league squash.   And,   but when I came out of that church,   I felt   different.   And somebody had given me a lift,   In the car, I just couldn't stop talking. I was so excited,   and   I well, I walked in that church not wanting to serve God, and I walked out wanting to serve God.   God changed me, he got me, by the scruff of the neck, if you like. No. But what he really did is breathed his Spirit in me.   And the old Christopher Sparks was dead, and I would say good riddance and adios, and a new Christopher Sparks was born.   And, I was managing the family book business at this time, and   I just couldn't wait to get into work and get myself   a a discounted Bible, and this immediately was what everything was about, being a Christian.  

Serving God, it was reading the Bible, and So on Sunday afternoons, I would just be lying on my bed reading this Bible,   writing out passages,   and,   making notes in the margin, underlining   things, making my own index of subjects,   and just   an obsession with the Bible. That was it, instantly.   And this was God drawing me. This was the early thing, you know.   And it was a New International Version, which I now know is   a very weak paraphrase,   but at least it contains the Word of God. It's not the complete Word of God, but it contains it.   And then the following year, I was,   working in the south of France on a boat,   and, in a wonderful   hot summer.  

And I was going with the Matalot stand at the the beach and,   sitting there on a on a French beach   in the summer   reading the bible,   and I was just absolutely   obsessed.   You know, I already   read so much sort of English classical poetry and Yes. Classical literature,  

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but this was something else. Why was it something else, Bruce? What what was this?   Is there sort of was it just an experiential feeling, or was there some sort of, I don't know, intellectual   guiding light or some   sort of focus that had come to you that you didn't I know obviously hearing you talk about it, that's obviously what happened. And in fact, you reminded me Yeah. There's an account of,   it reminded me of somebody else in English church history,   which is this guy Spurgeon,   who was,   you know, I'm just not saying I necessarily agree, but I know he's prolific in terms of the amount of, sermons he wrote. But, he was I think he was out in Essex in the 18 sixties or seventies, something   like that. He he he built this huge sort of church up in London that went and he became world famous. Yeah. But there's a story of him that he went into a church when he was,   I think, younger than he wasn't he was younger than 28. He was probably a teenager or something. And he went in, and they they count is that as soon as he went in, he knew that that was gonna be his life. That was it. It was, like, an instant Right. Sort of eureka moment, which is what your sort of,   you know, your your tale appears to be pretty similar to that. Obviously, it's your tale and it's different, but it's a similar sort of one of these galvanizing moments that came out of from the way you're talking, you're completely unexpected to you. Yeah?  



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Yes. Yes. It was unexpected. Well, because you can't understand it until it's happened to you. Mhmm. Now how can you explain to somebody what it's like to know God and to see things from a divine perspective? You understand your sinfulness   and you understand what Christ's death and resurrection are really about. So this was the other thing.   Instantly, it was to me   that   the cross was the center of history.   Now this is what I was understanding straight away. I would I'll tell you the truth. I always hated the other religions. What   What do you want to know about those for? And, but this   cross no. And it you have to work out the understanding of your own salvation.  

As,   you know, it's just   our our understanding of it just,   develops,   and   you have to increase so   that Christ may you have to decrease so Christ may increase.   And so you understand more and more your wretchedness. And so   if you,   say, cleaning a garage wall, you see little bits of dirt, big bits of dirt, and you clean those, and you think, now that's done. Oh, no. Then you see some smaller bits, Mhmm. And then it keeps on decreasing, then you keep seeing the dirt. Well, that's how I mean, using that because that's how I was thinking of myself. I keep   seeing more more   Dirty clean.  

Yes. Yeah.   And,  

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yeah. Well, you know, they never ends, does it? I I I suppose as you become more sensitive   to certain aspects of one's life, your character, your inequalities. It's just never ever ends. You know, I could make that a little bit better, you know, and all these I remember there was a story I was told years ago about you know these gurus when they that want to break people or whatever or get them kind of obedient to things, and this guy had a car. Yeah. He might have been one of these   sort of gurus that were talking The Beatles. One of those sorts of people, right,   at the time.  

And so he was   the the acolyte or the student was told to go and clean this guy's car, so he did.   And he came back half an hour later or whenever it was and he said to me, is it clean? And he said, yeah. So he leant down and he put his   finger behind the mud guard, as it were, you know, the thing, and he pulls out this dirt. He said, I don't think so.   He said, so he goes away. He does it again,   and he comes back this time. He really goes to town and everything. He said, is is it clean? You know, sounds like there's not a punch line to this because it sounds like there's a punch line.   And, again, he said, yes, it's clean. But he found another part of dirt somewhere else. And he came back the 3rd time Yeah. After Same analogy as well. Yeah. And he said, is it clean? And he went, no. Yeah. And he went, oh, good.  

That's okay. You can go and Yeah.   It's never clean, but it's it's less dirty than it was, is the truth. It's less dirty than it was. Yeah. You know? So it's Christ constant refining  

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the the refining in us. But I just had this obsession about the Bible, and everywhere I went, no.   I had it in my bag, and   eventually, it fell to bits, and I had to get another one. I chucked it away. I wish I hadn't anyway   because   it'll be a bit of a memento now. But,   so then I went to Switzerland and studied and,   studied in England.   You don't know if you've heard of the the brief fellowship?  

[00:24:46] Unknown:

No. Have you heard of It's all new to me. This whole world that you're talking about is something that I am completely unfamiliar with, really. Yeah. Alright. Well, it's as an an American Christian philosopher called Francis Schaeffer and his wife, Edith  

[00:25:00] Unknown:

Mhmm. And in fact, their   daughter,   who's in her eighties, lives in this same town as me right now. That's just a coincidence.   Alright. But,   I I, studied   Switzerland,   under Francis Schaeffer and others, and then in England,   in the English branch.   So it was all evangelicalism.   You know, Trinity,   Satan,   hell, go to him when you die, immortal soul,   Calvinistic.   But Schaeffer   was,   a bit deeper than that   in his intellect.   And so he gave lectures and wrote books on the arts and as others did. So I was studying all this,   you know, the arts from a Christian perspective and,   and reading these books.  

But I would say,   throughout the eighties   1980s   my utter obsession was with the Bible   but   it was for me,   it was a lot of head knowledge,   and I wasn't really   living by faith.  

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And It was what? Intellectual   Christianity, do you think it was?  

[00:26:16] Unknown:

Do you think is that Well, no. It wasn't. I mean, I was born again and,   but,   I mean, I'm not blaming anybody. I'm blaming myself   that I was not living by faith. I was living   by knowledge and and not waiting on God in faith and in prayer,   making my own decisions, you know, as they put it in cliches of doing it in your own strength.  

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Mhmm. And,  

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so, you know, when you do that, you,   you make make a lot of mistakes,   and, I found myself   tangled   up.   And then   the beginning of the nineties, I started discovering some things.   I was going to a different church, and,   in the meantime, I had lived in Oxford for for some time, and I hated that and   moved back.   And,   but then,   I discovered that there are issues about the New Testament texts. That was the first big thing.  

[00:27:18] Unknown:

And is it is it was that your first was this your first   sort of moment of   looking at the source material from   a more a deeper questioning point of view? Was this the period where   you had a different type of inquiry into what it was that you were studying?  

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Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yes. Right. Started our started asking some You started to asking some tricky questions. You became a troublemaker. Did you do I made people feel awkward. Oh, no. But what I've been hearing   in this evangelical   circle was we must get back to the doctrines of the reformation.   So I was taken up with that. I was right. This is what I was saying. Let's go and read these, and let's teach these and learn these. But, of   course, the reformation is,   is a trick.   And,  

[00:28:04] Unknown:

yeah. So they're refer they're referring to the period under Henry the 8th and,   all of that period with the   supposed   natural splitting of the Catholic church and the forming of the Church of England and the Protestant Reformation and all these things. I mean, I don't know if we talked about it when we met, but and I'm gonna cover this guy. I'm just gonna throw little things in every now and again that are gonna take us off beam, and then you can pull us back on. But,   there's a chap over here, an unknown,   an unheralded Englishman who's really one of the best ones ever called William Cobbit.  

He came from Surrey. Cobbit railed against every justice.   Yes.   Absolutely. A tremendous guy.   And and he wrote 200 years ago, and yet his writing is so accessible to the modern mind. It really is. It's   full of fire and spit. And he never called it the ref I've got his book on the reformation, and I've read about half of it. And I'm it's one of these other things that sat there next to my you know, ready to finish off. But he always referred to it as the devastation,   and I'm kind of with him.   Yeah. It was very good because he was raised in the Church of England,   and yet his entire disposition was, this is absolutely ridiculous the way that,   these people were basically all friends 1 week,   and a month later they're all killing one another.  

It's Exactly. It's insane.   You look at this and you go The King James Bible translators would have been Catholics  

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if it hadn't been for the so called if Henry the 8th hadn't booted the Pope out, they'd have all been Catholics.   Mhmm. And so,   the the doctrines remained.   Far one or 2 little things like celibacy of priests   and, transubstantiation,   but the rest of it, you know, all the the Babylonian   infiltration,   it just carried on just the same.   And   so   I'd yeah. I discovered   that there are 2 groups of New Testament texts, the Byzantine,   majority texts   and the Alexandrian   minority, which are frauds.   And   so this fired me up. And then I discovered   I just walked into a little Christian   bookshop, and there was this, a book called How TO Enjoy the Bible. Well, that sounds like sort of something at the back of the church glossy little paperback,   you know, Sunday evening reading.  

Oh, my. This was wonderful.   And I, you know, I flipped through it. Hebrew words, Greek words,   doctor Ethelbert William Pullinger.  

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Now now say this again. Slow down. We want to get the full impact of this gentleman's name. Say say   theatrically, please. Sir, sir. His name was  

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William   Bullinger.  

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Great. I like him already. Fantastic.  

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Yeah. And this is a deep book, how to enjoy the Bible.   And   he,   is   turning upside down a lot of tradition   and a lot of translation issues.   Oh, my.   So   no grammatical,   structures   misrepresented.   And so then,   you know, you look at his bibliography and you see the Companion Bible.   So I got myself one of these. And,   so it's the the King Jimmy,   but with all his margin notes, thousands of them, and a   197   appendices,   and I read them all.   Yeah. And in his preface, there's a tiny little footnote,   and it says something like, from these notes, the student may make his own version.  

[00:31:38] Unknown:

Same such a tiny little sentence. When when when was when did he write this? What what age was he of? I mean, his birthday Yeah. He died about 1913,  

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1912, something like that.  

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So he's part of that period of the mid 19th century where people really could write. I know it seems a bit unfair because people still but there's some tremendous writing. Literary man. Right. Yeah. He was a literary man and a musician.  

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And sometimes 1 or 2 of his hymns appear in,   hymn books. Right. E w Bullinger   with a tune.   And so   well, I used to sit in my front garden in the in the in the sun   just reading these margin notes   and underlining.   I mean, I read every one of them, and I read them more than once, underlining them,   and the ones that now really   were impactful.   And there was also an appendix, appendix number 6, about figures of speech.   Yes. Oh, and who'd ever told you this, that there are figures of speech in the Bible?   And, in fact, he published a book as big as the Bible called Figures of Speech Used in the Bible,   and I paid a lot of money for it. It was published in 18/98,   and I wish I'd had it when I was at university because it would have,   you know, been a mighty   thing to have in studying of language.  

So I began   making my own   list   of important   passages,   and,   in the Bible that   he was correcting, or if not correcting, enhancing   and explaining.   I was typing up my own list.   Right. So I had that, and I had this knowledge of the texts.   And,   I knew then that this is taking me on a different path.   So then the next thing was I was in a library in Scotland,   well, in Barrack on Tweed. It's on the England Scotland border.   And I was just sitting at the desk   reading, and I heard 2 elderly gentlemen   talking about   a book they'd pulled off the shelf, and they were saying something about immortality   of the soul.  

Well, I'd been trying to find out, work out for myself what this Gehenna was all about,   and I couldn't find anywhere, you know,   but these 2   elderly gentlemen,   I had to go and interrupt them. Now, excuse me. What are you talking about?   And one of them, he looked a bit like my maternal grandfather,   sort of tall,   stiff backed,   formal man. Well Yeah. Immortality to the soul, it's not right, is it?   And so I said, why not?   And he said, well, I've written a book about this, your Path to Immortality.   You can have a copy.   And, so he gave me a copy of this Path Through Immortality,   and I was on holiday out there on my own. And,   so,   well, this just blew my world.  

Read his book. I can't remember. I've still got it, but maybe   I I would say maybe a 100 pages or so. But just proving   that there is no such teaching in the Bible as you die and you go to heaven, and you die and you go to hell.   The soul is the person.   And oh, yeah. That's the thing he said.   Ezekiel 18 verse 4. The soul that sinneth, it shall die.   And I said,   well, yes.   So it does. Yes. So the soul dies.   Right. So straight away,   adios amigo to the eternal soul teaching, as if the   soul that sinneth, it shall die.   That's, you know, a KGB version.  

And so he produced   so much evidence in this book.   Still available, The Path to Immortality,   Roland Wicks,   w I c k e s. Okay.   And,   so then there was another foe the other fellow with him was   called Errol Palmer,   and he was related to the Victorian,   med medic murderer, Samuel Palmer. But this man, Errol Palmer, was a lovely guy's gardener,   knew the Latin names of plants, and I went for a walk with him around the so called Holy Island, there in Scotland.   And although he was not an academic, this man, Errol,   he knew a lot about William Tyndale. And, you know, I had already got Tyndale's New Testament,   and had read some things about him. But   this, Aron knew more.  

And actually,   walking around that Holy Island,   we had no interest in anything of the history.   It was just this Tindale   burning inside us. I'd like to go back to   Holy Iron now and see what I missed, but I certainly didn't miss   getting this fire of William Tyndale.  

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Mhmm. And,  

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so and it really was   burning,   burning, burning.   Then   so on the,   choo choo train back home to England   on the Chattanooga Express.   I was   meditating on these things, looking out of the window,   and,   you know, the the effect of this so of of all this, so that if,   the soul go you know, is the person, and when we die, we go in the grave, and it's a gospel of resurrection.   Why did the   prophets and apostles and the Lord Jesus preach resurrection   if you go to heaven when you die. It's pointless. So all this, you know, going on in my head, and I thought, well, then,   if there's nothing   left after death,   no other bits,   that go up in a silver casket,   to the feet of God or something, Mhmm. Well then, hell can't be true.  



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It doesn't make sense. I can see you are a troublemaker, Christopher. Yeah.  

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Yes. Always have been.   Yes. Okay.  

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Yeah. Yeah. But that's I can follow your logic. I started looking at  

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Yeah. Yes. That's exactly. Yes. Logic. It's one of my translating principles. Logic.   And, you know, people don't use it and, don't apply it. Not   methodical and consistent   in their application.   You've got to see it right through.   And,   so   then I found,   other books by Doctor. Ethelbert William Bullinger.   Mhmm. And,   found out then, actually, Gehenna   means the Valley of Hinnom.   And the The Valley of Hinnom. Jerusalem. Valley of Hinnom. Yeah. The Valley   of Hinnom.   Right. And it was Jerusalem's,   burning rubbish tip.   Now the valley of Hinnom first occurs at Joshua 15:8   in the Hebrew,   Gehinnom.  

And then it occurs,   several other places,   Jeremiah, Isaiah, and the Valley of the Sons of Hinnom.   And then you come to the New Testament, and it's not Gehinnom   anymore, because it's Greek, and it's Gehenna.   So Gehenna means the Valley of Hinnom.   So   when Jesus was rebuking the Scribes and Pharisees in Matthew 23,   and he said, you know, you're fit for the fire of the Valley of   Hinnom, not you're fit for hell fire.   Mhmm. That's,   just an idle insult. He was saying you are fit for the fire of the valley of Hinnom. You're fit to be chucked on the city's burning rubbish tip, where the corpses of criminals are thrown.  

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Now isn't that better? So Well, doesn't it change the entire picture?   It changes something again.   Yeah. It changed all these little the things I know because we've spoken before. But   these   what appear to be   a small number, but an ever increasing number of small what appear at first to be small changes, turn out to be nothing of the sort. They shift the entire picture of what   you are now reading.   You know, because I've often thought the quest the challenge is, can you read any book? But certainly with regards to this one, can you read these documents   and understand them? And it would appear that apparently that's a bit of a challenge. What would there supposedly being over a 1000 different flavors of so called Christianity running around the planet that, obviously, everybody reads   it, apparently, slightly differently. I can't get to the get to the meat of the whole thing, but that does change it. Well, they do. It's a wonderful insult Yeah. As well. It's tremendous. I'm like, you're you're only fitting me through another council rubbish tip. Yeah.  



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Yeah. Absolutely. Isn't it perfect?   And so and then that's in Matthew 23. And in Matthew 5,   Jesus is talking about the Sanhedrin.   You know, if you call your brother a 4, that sort of thing. Well,   then people say, the hell teachers say, here's Jesus talking about hell. Jesus believed in hell, and people say to me, no one talked more about hell than Jesus. Well, actually, if you read Matthew 5 properly,   what Jesus was saying   was   to be warned   about the Sanhedrin,   because they were so vicious in their punishments,   and for small crimes,   you could be thrown, like insulting somebody, you could be thrown in the city rubbish dump, dump convicted as a criminal.  

And yeah. So,   but people don't read all that. They just see hell. Oh, there's Jesus talking about hell well, he was saying   about the valley of Hinnom for a start and it wasn't his own punishment, it was the Sanhedrin's   So you see the tricks they pull off. Oh, look. There's hellfire,   mister.  

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There's God for you now. Call the sort of mumbo jumbification   of the whole thing. I   I you saying what you've just said is something that I didn't know prior to you saying it, yet it illustrates   something that I felt personally with regards to a lot of this,   how can you put it, the ceremony of churches and things. It's always left me cold. It worries me. I've often thought that the actual plain messages you've just presented it is I actually warm to that   as well. I it seems to make such so much more   pragmatic sense. And, of course, people say, say, but you're robbing it of all its majesty. Hardly. I think it actually makes it more majestic in many ways because I think it's it's something I can now relate to. I understand it more fully, and I can see why he would say that. And, of course, there are lots of other historical evidence to back up exactly what he's saying with regards to these cruel punishments that were visited on people that were perceived   or actually had broken whatever the law was at the time. Yeah. Yes.  



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Yeah. Well, for example, Jesus hadn't done anything wrong towards that cruel punishment. Yes.   So, yeah, I I got back on the   Chattanooga Express and, back to,   happy England.   And   all this, you know,   just turning my word upside down.   And all this stuff I've been learning from evangelicalism,   just not right.   And   about a week or two later, I was one afternoon sitting by a lake   in the sun,   and thinking on these things and about particularly William Tyndale   making his translation, and, you know, I knew the history of that by now. And,   I just thought   I've got all these notes.  

Mhmm. You see, there are these implications of eternal soul in the King James.   There's this hell,   it hasn't been done properly.   I've got to translate the Bible.   It was just like that.   And, you know,   I just absorbed this, and I got up,   walked home about a mile, walked past a wine bar, and I could see in through the glass   my brother at the bar with all his,   drinking bread lined up. And, yeah. Yeah. And I thought,   brother Martin, I'm going on to translate   the Bible.   So,   then the right people   just started,   being brought before me by the Lord God because he wants his word translated properly.   He doesn't want it done by unregenerate   people, and by people who are prepared to   change the grammatical forms of words and grammatical   structures.  

And   so,   1 by 1,   now the Lord sent people my way. And,   so I had had, this to start with, you know, that   no hell, no soul,   and, let's get the right text.   Then the following summer   1998,   I was on holiday   in Llandudno,   North Wales,   and,   went to see a Welsh male voice choir there. It was, wonderful.   I don't know if you know that the song Sarah, do you?  

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So I I guess maybe if I hear it, I would, but I can't say that I do. Right. I've if it's if it's well known the name of the yeah. Yeah.  

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Oh, it's just wonderful. It's on YouTube. If you type in Welsh male voice choir,   Sarah, it will come up, and it's about hearing the voice of God. Oh, it's just stunning. And so I've transcribed it and   the music, you know, so I've got the music written   and I   got the English words.   But in this,   I was staying in   a Christian   bed and breakfast   place in Llandudno called Beth Eden.   So the House of Eden.   And wouldn't there just happen to be there   a Hebrew and Greek scholar who was also a Christian?   And at university   he got a 100% for his,   Greek and 98%   for his Hebrew or something like that. Right. And,   and he believed in the Lord Jesus.  

And so   we had some very animated   conversations, and he didn't understand   this issue about the New Testament texts.   So I did.   So I said, you need to get the writings of John Bergan   of Chichester, dean of Chichester.   And he was writing in the same time of Bullinger.   And then,   but then this fellow   wrote out for me a list of books. I told him when I was doing it, he wrote out for me a list of books that I'd need to do this translation work.   So then we were communicating,   you know, and I went home and got each other's phone numbers, etcetera, and communicating   regularly.  

And, he lived in the centre of Surrey somewhere, and he came down. And I took him to a bookshop in Southsea, where he'd be able to a secondhand bookshop, where he'd be able to get some of the writings of John Bergan,   concerning the New Testament text   and revision revised as his masterpiece.   And so this train, Graham,   well, he really took up this textual,   scholarly   study,   and he's taken it to another level, I mean, sort of world class now.  

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Right.  

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But now he   introduced me to all these books, which I,   and I bought every single one of them.   And then   he, you know, was instructed me how to write Hebrew and Greek   and all the classic mistakes to make, like the final s in Greek is different   and these kinds of things. And,   so then he decided to do a translation himself.   So   we were bouncing off each other and,   that went on for a while until   I said,   I don't believe that when you die you go to heaven. There's no   no going to heaven.   Mhmm. Even,   he didn't believe   in the   immortal soul either, eternal soul,   but he had some notion of being taken up to some super heavens.  

And,   but when I said no, I believe it's our   calling is on Earth. Blessed are they make for they will inherit the land.   Mhmm. Not the Earth, actually, the land.   Reminder of the patriarchal promises.   Yes. And,   so then it got a bit awkward. And, of course, then   I started saying that I don't believe Jesus is God.   Mhmm. So then I was on my own for translating   work. And,   but I did learn an immense amount of him. I really did. And he of me, he credits me on his website with having edited his New Testament.  

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Right.  

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But so, 1 by 1, you know, these things were coming. So first of all, the texts.   Then the eternal soul, and then hell, and no going to heaven,   and then   the time of Jesus' death and resurrection,   Friday   afternoon to Sunday morning is not 3 nights.   This one by one, these things kept coming   at me.   And,   so   then I started thinking,   well, who's gonna take any notice of Christopher Sparks?   Not one person in the world. And I looked at the Greek of John 11 26,   and it says,   who, in the English, whoever is living and believing in me will most certainly not die throughout the aeon. That's not difficult Greek.   Mhmm. And throughout the aeon,   occurs many, many times,   and sometimes with variations. But in the church bibles, they put whoever is living and believing in me will never die.  

So they pitchfork in, never.   The Greek for never is,   and it's not in John 112 6. It's just not there. Not in any Greek text I've ever seen. Right. And then,   so they've added a word,   and then they omit 5 words.   So there's,   an adverbial phrase called who may, and it's a strong negative, and it means, definitely not. Certainly not. Mhmm. Would you like some would you like would you like some more eggs? Who may? Definitely not.   And then   there's this other phrase, and   as I say, it's not difficult Greek. They're frequent expressions,   but they cooked it, to make it seem as if whoever is believing in Christ will never die, so when you die, you go straight to heaven. Therefore, immortal soul is true.  

But Jesus, you know, he was talking to Martha about   the resurrection and the last day, and   whoever is believing in me will most certainly not die throughout the eon.   And this word, eon,   it occurs in Hebrew and Greek,   over 600 times,   as an expression for the coming age.   So that's when you won't die, when you've got your resurrection body.   And like Martha said, I know he will rise in the last day.   So that's what it's about.  

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So the the difference? Yeah. I do. So the what your how shall I phrase this? What your narrative is   because I have to think about this as well, you see, but I'm not going to think about it too well in the middle of a show. But, it's   I don't have too much problem. What when you   the the death does not mean we're all off to heaven.   It means you're put into some,   what, limbo space waiting for resurrection to come, and then and then we kick off again and do something in the next age when it's ready. Something like that. No. Go into the go into the grave and await resurrection. It's the gospel of resurrection.  

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Mhmm. John 528   and   29. The days are coming when those in the graves will hear the hear my voice.   Right. It's so simple. Mhmm. You know? God raised Christ from the dead out of Joseph's   Joseph of our of Arimathea's   tomb,   so he will raise us   out of our tombs and graves   and boneyards.  

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What about those poor unfortunate people like in Dresden who are literally, you know, turned to dust?   Is it a metaphor? Do you have to have a physical   skeleton left? I mean, I know the Egyptians believed that you did,   or at least operate in that particular way. And I've I've heard people tell me, don't. Whatever you do when you shuffle off this mortal coil,   you know,   get burnt up. You need a proper you know, we refer to it, don't we, as a Christian burial that you were buried, you know, in a casket in the ground. Is that a a key part of this? I mean, I don't know. Is it, or is it not? There's a trouble there's a trouble with that though, isn't there? What about William Tyndale and his friend John Rogers burned at the stake? Yes. And in 15/19,  

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a Christian woman   was burned at the stake with 6 Christian men   for teaching   children the Lord's Prayer,   and the children were threatened with death   if they,   recited any of it.   So people get burned. So they turn to ashes. So resurrection,   what it is, is a re creation.   That's what it is. A recreation into the new body, and it's a stage. It's in 1 Corinthians 15. It's in stages.  

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These words, they they   there's so many layers to it. The more I look into sort of other,   what should we call them, philosophies or value systems or cultural   the Egyptians, of course, operate on the basis   I say, of course. I'm not fully familiar with them either. But they I've read in parts that the soul is not considered to be in you.   It's not here,   but you have a connection to it. It's a bit like, you know, I've often thought of the the brain as your physical organ. The mind   is the thing that is what it does,   and I tend to think of the mind, as it were, as a radio tuner.  

And, the the thought  

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analogy. Yes. Yeah. It's not really in your head. It's the whole person. Yes. The soul that sinneth it shall die.   So in,   my version,   the the soul or the person  

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who commits sin will die. What's your definition then of the word sin?   I've got one in my head, but I'd be very interested to hear what what you're gonna say. Genesis 2 verse 7, you know, God breathed his spirit into Adam, and then  

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he became a living soul.   Mhmm. So it's just   the person the soul is the whole person.   But what this Rowland Wicks man said to me in Berwick and Tweed, and his friend Errol Palmer,   look it up in a concordance,   and see how many occurrences there are,   and all the different   meanings it has. And so in Hebrew, nefesh,   sometimes it's used for corpse, and so is the Greek equivalent   used for   corpse.   And so   it's just not   one   word that you can translate   one way and get it right every time. You've got to all always consider the context.   And so this,   alas, is not what happens.  

But the whole system, you know, that they teach   about this, immortal soul, the whole thing is wrong   because it's death you go into the grave. And if you're William Tyndale or John Rogers, Christian woman in Coventry 15/19   Mhmm. Go in, you know, into ashes,   and God or Christ will recreate   you. Because I mean people who've been dead for   3000 years, you know there's   not much left. So resurrection is a recreation.   That's what it is.  

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So and and the indication is that that recreation   period   is at some point yet to arrive, that it would happen, what, for everyone that's currently   shuffled off this mortal coil, they will be recoiled up and ready to rock and roll again. Is that the idea? I don't know.  

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Well, there are passages,   and I've got a list of them, and they're footnoted in Keys of the Kingdom Bible,   which talk about some who will not be raised.   And so, no, it's not a universal   resurrection. I do not believe it is. Mhmm.   Right. And and also the whole   system in the   word of God is about the 12 tribes of the sons of Israel.   And so in Revelation 20 where it talks about the resurrection,   it's,   you know, it's not talking about other peoples   because it's just a book about the 12 tribes.  

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Yes.   Now that's enough to get you into hot water, Christopher. You know that, don't you? Yes.   Well   I've been in it for years too. A hot bath in the evening. Yeah. Me too. This is so refreshing. In fact, I feel as though I need one right now. It's still light as I look out of my window here, which is really rather encouraging.   And but,   yeah. I mean, the word sin,   this, you know, you sinner.   My understanding,   one of the understandings I have, because I'm always, you know, I'm I'm quite prepared to let go of a thing if someone says, no, look, you chump. You've missed this, you know, because I think the one thing about inquiring into stuff is you realize that it's it is really a process of 2 steps forward and one step back. And it it couldn't really be anything else but that, because you need to get your reference points. But I understood sin to come from Greek. I don't know what the original word was. And connected with archer.   Right. And and Yes. That's right. Missing the mark. That's right. Classical Greek as well. Right. To miss the mark, to sin. In other words and then I I think, well, does that mean, like, not getting the point?  

Like, you don't get it. Like, you've missed the mark, you know, because that but maybe I mean, it's not literally just about bows and arrows, is it? It can't be about that. I mean, it's to not isn't it to not get if you sin,   you're basically  

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you're doing it you're you're failing to actually get the point of what's taking place, something like that. How do you Yes. Well, people use the expression of living in sin, that 2 people are living together who aren't married, and they think of this and smoking and drink driving or something.   Yeah. But sin   is very clearly   defined.   It's breaking the commandments of God.  

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Transgression of the law, as Sussex man has just so kindly thrown into the chat. Thank you, Sussex man. Yeah. Transgression of the law. Yeah. Failing to get the law. Failing to Exactly what it is. Be on the mark of the law. To not to not perform to the to the law.   Right. Yeah. Quite a thing.  

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So the law is a tutor to bring us to Christ.  

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Yeah.   Christopher, you mentioned a few moments ago because we're just at look at that, first hour gone. How about that? Bang. Just like that. Alright? 10 minutes it lasted, didn't it? You mentioned Sarah by, and I know you didn't send this to me earlier, but I've looked it up and I'm gonna play it, you see. I think we need to play this. Oh. So I found it. Oh, it's just glorious. Yeah. Yeah. Here we go. So this is by the London Welsh Mail Voice Choir.   Sarah, I hope I've got the right one. It's about 3 minutes long, from what I'm looking at here. Yeah. And, here we go. I think this should go. As a business owner, you have a blank one. Oh, we don't want that. Isn't that awesome? Digital marketing tools do the heavy Just a minute. We'll get rid of that in a second. There we   go.  

We'll be back after this short song.   Yeah.   Well, a lot of applause there at the end of that, and that was,   Sarah by the London Welsh Mail   Voice Choir.   Now normally I have that hullabaloo of a sort of, station ID, but it seemed very inappropriate to play after that. So I'll just announce this vocally. You're listening to Paul English Live here on WBN 324,   which is in the first hour. Just gone 4 PM US Eastern   and, just gone 9 PM here in the UK and still a little bit of light left. And, I'm here every every Thursday, 3 PM to 5 PM US time,   8 PM to 10 PM in the UK here on WBN 324. My guest this week is, Christopher Sparks   and, so is, somebody wants us to do a little bit singing. Let's just stop them doing that just for now. There we go. That's that's helpful.  

And,   we're here talking about, well, Christopher's work, the run up to his work.   And, Christopher,   second half, here we go. I think we need to, possibly, if we can now move on to your   move on to your your big work, which has now been underway for 26 years, and as you said right at the beginning of the show, you got it. It was published 2 years ago. This is the keys to the Kingdom Bible. Yeah? Keys of the Kingdom Bible. Keys of  

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keys of the Kingdom Holy Bible.  

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And why did you pick that sort of   descriptor for it? Why was why was it the keys of the kingdom?  

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Yeah. When I first started, I was going to call it the Believer's Bible, and it was going to be apostrophe s believers as if to say that,   you know, you've got to study this on your own.   And,   that this is not a big church walk, but this is studying out the word of God for yourself.   And,   you've got to make it your own.   But then somebody found that there was already one called, Believer's Bible,   So I had to ditch that. And so then,   excuse me.   I just was thinking   for,   several years now. What can I call it? What can I call it?   And, it was only about a year before it was published that I started thinking about keys of the kingdom and various,   varieties of that. But, then I came on keys of the kingdom, and I just thought this is perfect because that's exactly what it is.  

And, you know, you can't get into the kingdom   without the knowledge of the road to the kingdom, the narrow road, and the narrow gate.   And so   when I finally settled on that, it was just so obvious that that was god given, and it was perfect. And, of course, you know, biblical phrase.   And,   so,  

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are there of these keys I mean, I'm just this is almost facile the way I'm gonna answer this, but ask this.   Are there sort of   in your mind or even in the narrative the way that you've put it all together, are there a certain clutch of key keys, as it were,   that you think   are the ones that really need to be brought to people's attention as rapidly as possible? Are there certain things that   that really need to be got across as quickly as we as you possibly can?  

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Well, the first thing is you know that you have to have the spirit of Christ, because it says in Romans chapter 8 verse 9, if anybody does not have the pneuma Christi, the spirit of Christ, he is not his.   So we've gotta have the spirit, and, Jesus said, no. God does not give out a spirit in a measuring jar.   But it's not something if you're,   in unbelief, it's not something that you understand   to know to ask for, but then on the other hand, if you haven't got it,   you cannot enter the kingdom.   And so   then,   you know, obeying the commandments   and,   following Christ and submitting yourself whole wholly.  

It's not there's not any kind of one place in the whole of work word of God that I can think of that,   you know, it's just here, and you understand the whole thing from this one sentence.  

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Yes.   I mean, you said something   before the break there or towards the back end of that first hour   about   who these documents are addressed to. This is something we touched upon here maybe a few weeks ago. I think maybe when I had Eli James on a couple of months back.   About,   you know, as as I understand it, Christopher, the word testament deriving from the Greek word diaphike   means contract.   And,   I've said this before, but I'll say it again. I sound like a politician really. But   given that it's a contract, it means that   certain entities, people are excluded.  

There are those that are on the contract,   these 12 tribes, and there are everyone else who's   not of those tribes   isn't in it or on it or part of it.   Is that a view that you put across in this narrative? Is that something that's that aligns with your your work?  

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Well, I can tell you 3 passages straightaway. Exodus 19 verse 3 on Mount Sinai,   say to the sons of Israel, tell the house of Jacob.   Mhmm. So it's to the 12 tribes of the sons of Israel.   Jeremiah 31:31,   the days are coming when I will make a new covenant   over the house of Israel and the house of Judah,   and then the same words in Hebrews 8 verse 8. So that's who the contract is with,   and no contract has been made with anybody else. However,   that does not mean that   somebody else cannot come to Christ.  

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And and What does that mean? God What do what does that   why can't they?   Alright.  

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Why can't why can't finish. Alright. Sorry. No. I haven't finished it. It it doesn't mean that   somebody else, you know, cannot come and beg for forgiveness and receive it, and   and it just seems undoubted that   there are others, not of the tribes,   who live an,   you know, much cleaner life   and pray to God and read the Bible and sing songs and   restrain themselves.   But   the point is nobody gets it like we do,   and this   is just so crucial   because, you know, it says in the law,   of the covenant that the law is written on our hearts,   and we've got this memory, this handed down memory.  

And, where I live   within a 10 mile radius,   a few months ago, I calculated   about 80 churches,   a 10 mile radius of my home.   And, well, you know, the Anglo Saxons, they were building these churches here, and some of them still stand.   And so, you know, they don't do this in other   countries outside   the Commonwealth of Israel, which is the Christian Nations of Europe, which is the kingdom   that Christ assigned   After 80 17, now the destruction,   Jesus told them people, you know, come out of Babylon.   They had to go somewhere, and so there was a new kingdom, and they wandered,   west and northwest, and founded these Christian nations of Europe, and this is our kingdom.  



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I agree with you.   I agree with you. I mean people have said that can't be right, but I've said, well you find   the people then who do fall under the this description.   And I mean and studying it from this point of view seems a bit bizarre, I suppose, to most people who consider themselves Christians. I mean,   the idea of contracts, of course I take your point, what you were just saying there a few moments ago, that there are definitely people outside of our race that behave way better than many of the people in it.   And I I I tend to the view that that's still not really relevant.  

Not that I'm against these people   because   it's a bit like, you know, it's like the reading of a will.   And we've seen these films where there's the reading of the will. Right? And,   you've been clued in as to who's in the room. There's son a and b, and there's daughter c and d, and then there's these hangers on, and all this and the other. And I guess in the preamble to this scene, in this sort of, you know,   normal standard cliched thing that I'm talking about, We've already made our minds up about who the rotters and the cads are. Right? We know who they are. We know we know the ones that are just after granddad's   fortune and nothing else, and hated his guts whilst he was alive, and he hated them or whatever. Yet, there they are in the realm   on the contract, on the will.  

Of course, in these things, usually, there's a great then disputation about the will because, you know, evil son b wants more than what granddad was prepared to leave him or whatever, this kind of stuff. But, nevertheless,   it it being a formal thing   and there having to be structure and there being structure, that's the way   you know, so I accept all that. People have said to me, so but somehow, people are terrible. I know.  

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Yeah. I have. I have and Jezebel.  

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Absolutely awful. Terrible. I mean, people go, oh, no. We're really really good. The sun shines out of our bottoms. It does not. It absolutely does not do that. Yeah.   And, you know, I don't go around beating myself up for all the errors I've made. I just wish I'd never made them. That's that's the main thing. But then there's no point sitting around regretting it and going, right. Well, here I am today.   This is where I've got to. I don't know where I'm gonna end up to. You know, every day becomes more of a sort of journey the older you get. It's less I don't know what's gonna happen tomorrow. Well, I suppose the sun's gonna come up because it does that anyway. So I'll take that for granted. I'm usually pretty right about that one. But there's so many other inner things that keep springing up the more seasoned you are in your years that you couldn't possibly anticipate.   And that's you know, it's like that freight. It's it's the least worst solution to things that I'm looking for, like removing the dirt.  

I accept I'm not going to get rid of all of it. And as you increase your consciousness about what you're doing, you see more of your own faults, don't you? And, of course, the faults in others. It's very easy to get to get to go that way. But it's about removing beams from your own eye before you start taking splinters out of everybody else's. That's always quite a challenge, of course, I think. I remember sitting in a car park  

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and   Borden. It's a little military town, or it was a military town in Hampshire,   and thinking over that very passage   and think this was, well, 30 years ago,   and applying this to myself.   I've got to get this beam out of my own eye if I'm thinking I'm gonna have any effect on   preaching the gospel to anybody else. But you know this matter of the kingdom and the contract is with the 12 tribes of the sons of Israel? In Revelation 21 verse 12, John says he sees   a vision   of the city, and I saw the names of the 12 tribes of the sons of Israel   and the names of the 12 apostles of the lamb.  

Yes. And so there are 3 gates into the west, 3 gates into the east, 3 gates into the north, and 3 gates into the south. And that song Joan Byers used to sing, and I sing it sometimes, you know, 3 gates into the east,   3 gates into the west.   And so this is all about Israel.   And,  

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but But not the Israel of today.  

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It's not the land. No. It's not the land.  

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It's not about what's going on today. That the the acquiring of that name for showbiz purposes and other things from 1940 odd.   It's not about that. I mean, just going back to this point we're talking about,   with who we are, you know, and it links in I'm just looking at a few comments here,   worth reading out really from the chat.   So 6 men writes, we are born with the spirit. That's why race mixing is a sin,   which it is.   And Yeah. Ether comments it's in our DNA. It is. It's in our bones. It's in our blood and our bones Amen. To behave like this. Lovely.   So that even people you see, this is the thing.  

Of course, there's great viciousnesses and cruelties that are built up within our own people as, you know, you've been commenting on some. The idea that Tyndale should be burnt for writing a book is deranged. Right? But we're talking about people who have already made a commitment to a deranged way of life. I mean,   current times we're surrounded by these people, unfortunately. Many of them from our own race, unfortunately. Regrettably,   easily, whatever you want to say. They really are. And,   and yet normal people you see, I I thought for a long time it's not really about intellectual capacity. You were talking earlier in the first hour   about, you know, all these detailed expositions of it. So whenever I've tried to read those things, I've not I've never really been enthusiastic   about doing it. I've just stumbled across them from time to time.  

I find they kill it dead. That what do I mean by it? The the very life of this whole thing is killed dead by these cold intellects. They kind of strip everything down to nothing. I don't   I'm never satisfied even with the sort of arguments that they have. It's a conviction   that you look at your own people and you go, I'm this I'm in the right place. These are my these are my people.   And that's why, as you were saying, all those churches are around you.   You know, you'd have to be brain of Britain to put up a church or anything, but, of course, you have to be under circumstances where you're allowed to do it. Maybe you do now. It's all planning authorities and all this kind of stuff.   But,   that it's it's just the whoop and woof of our life. Like,   it is in our DNA. It is in our blood to be the way that we are, and the vast majority of our people   are great.  

Even the ones even when we all behave a little bit badly, which we do, all of us, from time to time. It's still I go, great. Okay. I get that. Come on. Let's try and correct it tomorrow or whatever we're gonna do. Whatever we're gonna  

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do. My My neighbors are Israelites, but they don't know it. But they're wonderful people. I love my neighbors to bits. They're fantastic  

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people. Yeah. Yes. I I think that illustrates it. People say, well, I'm a Christian because I go to church. That old thing. I don't know. What's that got to do with anything?   Whereas I've got a neighbor over the road or just around the corner from me, a construction guy. He's fantastic.   I I don't even bother talking to him about this, not because he would pooh pooh it. I just never got around to it. But if I was to say if you were to ask me, Paul, do you know anybody who's just really helpful like a hymn?   He's amazing. He's fantastic.  

Yeah. He's really, really just helpful. He just want because, you know, I I've got certain challenges here at home with my wife and certain things like that. He's always saying, can I give you a hand with this and that and the other? It's just it's brilliant. That's it. There's more in those moments than there is in all the intellectualism,   But we do need to know this stuff. It seems to me it's the most, it's the big key.   This thing, you know, when I was asking you about the keys,   the big one is that this is a contract with a specific   group of tribes of people of the same race. They're in these different tribes   but they're one type of people. So the next question is well who are they?  

I mean you know. I know. Some people say you don't know nothing. Who would disagree with that? That's fine. I'm not spending time in those conversations.   But there's no other people that actually fit fit the profile at all. They don't even come close.  

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Isaiah talks about the islands of the oceans. That's what the Romans called the British Isles.   Insulae,   Oceania,   this Roman,   name for the British Isles And so there it is right there in Isaiah.   And then the word British is,   covenant man.   And Britain,   covenant people.   And so, you know, it's written in   in our name.  

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Yes.  

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But the trouble is, you know, we've got troubles, haven't we? Our kingdom has been stolen.   And,   Psalm 83,   the tents of Esau and the Edom and the Ishmaelites,   and they're stealing our kingdom, but it's not just that. It's the it's within within   the within the house because these Bibles,   like King Jimmy and others,  

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the Scoff field, as I call it, and others don't change. That's not even a Bible, that thing, is it?   It's just basically it's toilet paper masquerading as a Bible. Let's be honest about it. I don't want to even use it for that because I'd be fearful about what it might do to my rear end. I mean, it's basically it's a joke, that thing. It's a sick, evil plotted joke, Scofield's nonsense, isn't it? And yet look at the amount of people that have been completely suckered into it. It's dreadful.  

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Yeah. Well, that's why I call it a scoff filled. But they change   this word Greek   to Gentile,   and there are other words they change. This is why   these committee made Bibles   are not the reliable Word of God.   And for example,   if you say to any question about, well,   the letters of Paul are written to Jew and Gentile,   Well, Paul never wrote such a phrase,   and so somebody will bring out the King James Bible and tap the finger on the page and say, here it is. Yes. He did. And I say, look at the Greek.   So when in Romans 116,   it says to the Jew first and then to the Greek. It says that in the King Jimmy. Right? It should be to the Judahite,   that is the Judean,   the House of Judah   Mhmm. Then to the Greek.  

Right. So they at least put Greek there, but over the page,   chapter 2 verse 9 and 10, they change it to Jew and Gentile, but it's the same words   as in Romans 116.   Exactly the same words, and it should be again, Judahite and Greek.   Now   so Judahite stands for the southern kingdom, and the Greek   stands for the dispersion.   Right. 2,   justifications   for that.   1, John 735.   Now the king Jimmy fiddled this, but I'll just tell you what it really says. Is he about to go to the dispersion of the Greeks and teach the Greeks?   So there we have this phrase, dispersion of the Greeks. Mhmm. And in, the study of linguistics,   that is called a genitive of apposition,   and it means the dispersion,   that is to say, the Greeks, and the Greeks, that is to say, the dispersion.  

So it tells you who the dispersion are and who the Greeks are.   It's like saying the city of London, it tells you which city.   And so the dispersion of the Greeks. And then read Acts.   Well,   where Paul was going? He was going to Greek speaking peoples.   So match that up with John 735,   and they were meeting in synagogues. They had the law, the scrolls, the prophets, the Sabbaths.   And so when Paul was citing the prophets to them, it wasn't a mystery to them. But if these people were that g word I don't like, Gentiles   Yeah.  

What are you on about? Who's Hos Hosiah   Anemos? What are you on about? Yes. But they knew because it's in their history. Mhmm. So all Paul's,   letters are addressed to Israelites.   Yes. And there are a lot of,   translation issues throughout Paul's letters   where they fiddled it.   And,   for example, Ephesians chapter 2 verse 12,   Paul   addresses the Ephesians as   of those   having been made alien to the citizenship of Israel.   Having been made alien.   But the others, like the Scofield and the jit Jimmy,   put being aliens.   Well, that's a lie.   Yes. That is an absolute lie. It's just it does not say that. Having been made alien   is having been kicked out. Therefore,   those people who   are the stock who were divorced   from God. Jeremiah   38, and Hosea issued   also issued the divorce certificate to them.  

So you see how they change it. And so all the Christian world,   apart from a few people who are more educated, you know,   and biblically literate,   know,   so believe that all Paul's letters and all that we,   Europeans, we're the Gentiles and   the Jews, you know, those are the gods chosen. Well,   they ought to watch some of their behavior,   but this has been pitch brought in   by evil   men, evil translators.   The Greek word for Greek is Hellenese,   and it occurs 27 times in the New Testament.   Wherein the King Jimmy, they change it. They get it right 20 times. The other 7, they change it to Gentiles.   Very same words. They score 20 out of 27.  

But you just thought having got it right the first time,   they didn't write the other 26.  

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Is it not the case? Do you not think, possibly, Christopher, that these two words that you've just been addressing over these last couple of minutes, Jew   and Gentile,   should they appear   at all in scripture?  

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No. It should be Judahite and Greek. Jew and Gentile is a   a fake. It does not occur anywhere in the word of God from Genesis to Revelation.   It's just not there.   It's Judahite   and Greek.   Every single time, except once, it's Greek and Judahite.  

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So the the keys of the Kingdom Bible   does not have those words in it then. It does not have the words. Not. No. Because I'm not prepared to defraud the word of God.  

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And it is it is fraud to change a legal document.   I and I don't know   how they can have the desire to, let alone the nerve.   But, you know, you add to the word of God or you take away from it, and you suffer the plagues.   That's what it says. Revelation 22 18 and 19. Yeah. And so Nothing shall be added to it. Nothing taken away.  

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Absolutely.  

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Yes. Well, you just suffer the curses and the plagues.   So they're inviting plagues upon themselves. And,   so, you know, let's have the words   spoken by That is magnificent.  

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I I always struggle with, well, don't struggle with them because I understand it. But my concern has been when I've read,   I don't sit down and read it through and through. I'm often I'll I'll read an article about something that might have a sort of biblical reference in it. I'll go and check that and look at things, and slowly I've not been any rush, because I felt that I've known what the basic context for the document is. It's addressed to one particular   you know,   if you do not know that, and most people don't, they go to those documents,   the badly translated ones as well at that.  

Although, hopefully, that's imminently going to change as they buy more and more copies of yours.   But they go there, and without this context of knowing that this document is addressed to one specific   race of people in these tribes only,   and you don't know that, you're gonna get it   it's bewildering. And, basically, most people that go to churches and come out of churches are in a state of ever increasing bewilderment, whether they know it or not,   because they've not been given   the plain   sort of context for the document at the beginning.  

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And Yeah. Well, the trouble is, you know, these preachers, they're they're teaching this   teaching European people that they're Gentiles.   Yeah.   So that not only is the kingdom being taken away from us by our enemies,   but also from within, from these fake translations,   and from teachers,   who are prepared to stand up with these fake translations on their pulpits   and teach this Jew and Gentile   nonsense.  

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But where do they learn that, Christopher? Where do they learn you see, I feel it's like a big sort of echo chamber. It's a big echo chamber that's been going on for 100 of years, hasn't it, whenever it started?   And they it just I suppose they go to seminaries or wherever they get trained in this stuff, and no one there has got to the root definition of the words either. So people are basically talking,   well, babble really, aren't they, to some degree. That's why I use the image for today's show really.   Isn't that what's going on? Yeah.  

I mean, it's so you think, oh, it's such a dry topic, the definition of words. It's absolutely vital. It's like bad code in a computer system. It's gonna go wrong and it's gonna go wrong permanently, repeatedly forever and ever and ever until someone says this code ain't right. And that's in in a way, you know, I'm using a modern frame of reference, but this is what you've been doing. You've been   restoring the code back to its true intent and to its true operating standards as it were. Yeah? 27 years.  

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27 years. Yes.  

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You use this word organic, Christopher, to describe your Yeah. Your translating   process. Would you like to just talk a little bit about what you mean by that? What do you mean by the word organic?  

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Okay. You go in a supermarket and you get processed food. You go to a farm and you can get organic food. I get a box of organic food delivered once a fortnight.   An organic food is much better for you. Now what why do I use that? As I say, it's, you know,   an organic translation, so it's richer fruits from the garden of God.   You're getting the real words. Now how does that work?   I'll give you one example   that should be enough.   John 13.   Now that all the church bible say all things were made through him or something like that. Mhmm. Well, first of all, it should be it, logos. It's not him.   And second,   there is no word in John 13 that translates   as were made.  

The verbs for making and creating in Greek are and   But what you've got there in John 13 is.   And it's so,   all things   through it.   Now   it doesn't matter whether or not you understand grammatical terms,   but this is just to make a point.   Were made is passive,   plural,   imperfect,   dynamic,   transitive.   But what   again ito means it's singular,   active,   aorist,   intransitive,   stative.   So they've got naught out of 5.   John 13 has nothing to do with anybody, anywhere,   creating anything. It's to do with what arose   through the Word of God,   and John is making his testimony.  

All these things have arisen through the Word of God, and at the end, he says the same again. He gives his testimony that these things are true. So that's how he starts, and that's how he ends. But these church Bibles, like the King Jimmy, they wrecked that, and they made the John's prologue, that is the opening of John's gospel.   Mhmm. A statement to say that in the very beginning, Jesus Christ was the creator.   Well,   so I've given the grammar, naught out of 5. Yep. They got   they got the meaning wrong, naught out of 6. They've wrecked John's prologue, naught out of 7, just with one Greek word. That's how bad it is. And what I'm saying about this grammar, it's not opinion.   This is linguistic   grammatical fact. Yes. And so they have pitch brought in this word made.  



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And therefore reigneth the confusion  

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and the Yeah. Yeah.   And so you say to someone,   someone says, do you believe in the Trinity? I say, no. John 1 1, John 1 3, Isaiah 96, Colossians 116,   and they just got this. As if, oh, yes. I've been translating the Bible   27 years, and I've never noticed John 11.   I'll kick myself in the shins like Charlie Chaplin.  

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Well, I don't wanna upset anybody. I've never gone for that Trinity lark. It didn't mean I did I I find it's just a sort of little I I wasn't intellectually gifted when I was young in in that sort of way. Or, you know, when you're at 9 or 10 or even 15, I'm not paying too much attention to that kind of stuff. But I always found that whenever ever you're overly elaborate, these ideas and all this is happening, all that, I just sort of well, I don't think so. It was just my it just didn't feel right. I think it's at its mightiest when it's at its most pragmatic. This is a pragmatic it's it's a description. This is me. You might disagree, you know, of the mechanics of how we are supposed to operate and live in line with the law.   And we are   instructed,   ordered, whatever word you want to use to do that because   something's available to us that is only available to us if we do that. And I don't think it's rocket science.  

It can't be.   Well, you know, you've got to be what? A profound   you know,   you're an exception, Christopher.   It struck you in a particular way. You've spent   a great part of your life, certainly, you know, the bulk of your   intellectual working life and are continuing to do so on researching this   and providing this tremendous service of removing   a lot of the dirt,   maybe all of it. I don't know, but a lot of it. Right?   Such that we're now seeing a different thing.   We oh, look. It is not what I thought it was. No. Because Christopher's taken all this dirt off it. Look at this now. It's this.   And that transforms them because it creates this much simpler. And what we're talking about here,   the complexity   is having to unwind all the complex lies and bullshit that's been laid around these documents.  

That's what takes the effort is to actually strip it of all this camouflage   that's been put on it down through and has been repeated by people who never questioned it. But when it gets down to the basics of it, it's a very direct   and therefore, I suppose, slightly intimidating message to all of us because it's saying,   sort yourself out.   You're responsible for this. Right? Get yourself sorted. Here's the guidelines.  

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You know, do them. Obey these guidelines. Let's see what happens. I'm Well, yeah. You say about clean cleaning the dirt out. I'll tell you some more things. Mhmm. Jesus said,   Luke 2444,   he referred to the law, the prophets, and the Psalms. Now that is a division   of 3 collections of books of the old covenant writings. Mhmm. The law, the prophets, and the Psalms.   Now the Psalms, it's not just the Psalm 150 Psalms we know. It also includes other books like Daniel,   Ruth, Ezra, Nehemiah,   1 and 2 Chronicles.   And so   it should the old covenant should end in 2 chronicles.  

That's where it ends, not Malachi.   Mhmm. So this is wrong.   Internally, you can see it's wrong.   And   so can you find a version   that,   Old Testament ends in 2 Chronicles?   No.   Very hard to find 1.  

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So you've gone and re you've gone and reordered them, haven't you? You've put them in the Yeah. Yeah.  

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Yeah. But then the yes. I have. I've been obedient to Jesus' description.   Yes. And there was a moment, I would say, about   maybe 6 years ago when I got this into a certain state on my PC,   and it felt clean.   I thought, oh, thank God. This is it. This is very different now.   Yes. And then there's another thing.   The I mean,   believe me or not, but I can tell you this is, again, fact.   The prophecies of Ezekiel are in the wrong order.   So Ezekiel made 13   dated prophecies.   Right now, if you're keeping a a a diary,   you don't write, you know, the,   20th   May,   after 9th August,   you put them in chronological   order, your,   arrangements,   your, commitments. You put them in chronological order, and Ezekiel made 13   prophecies, and they're all dated.  

And yet,   they are not put in the chronological   order. So in these church Bibles,   Ezekiel ends with chapters 40 to 48,   as if Ezekiel is offering   a prophesied   future   temple system of priests,   animal sacrifices,   circumcision,   Passover,   and   a   re,   reenacting   of the whole law system.   But this is just false, because   Jesus Christ died once for all, and when he died, you know, the curtain temple was ripped from top to bottom,   that system was finished that day.   It was over once for all, and Hebrews says Jesus was sacrificed once for all. There's not going to be a future temple. There's not going to be future animal sacrifices.   No. Now Isaiah   11 speaks about animals being safe in the coming kingdom time.  

Mhmm. And so, you know, the wolf lying with the lamb.   And so this is totally fake. And, you hear about, you know,   oh, well,   you know, isn't it wonderful the Jews   are breeding red heifers now, and they're constructing the temple? Well,   the fact is in about the 4th or 5th century, they tried to do this and fire came out of the ground  

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and destroyed I mean, it's just part of that, of a, to me, it's part of an ongoing, ever escalating, and ever more elaborate,   theatrical production.   It's a total   it's,   you know, like look at us we really are these people. Well, you're not. Will you stop it already? Yeah. Well, by your feet you should know them Of course.   You know, although a lot of people don't notice that, do they? People aren't noticing the fruits. They're dissuaded from noticing them. They see something else. It's that old phrase. What are you gonna believe? Your own eyes or what you're or what they tell you? Unfortunately, it's the latter for an awful lot of people. Oh, I better believe what they tell me because otherwise, I'm in trouble with they.   And of course, this is true to some degree, but it still doesn't make it right. It's certainly not gonna help.  



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Have you heard of the English poet Thomas Hardy?  

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Ah, Tess of the Durbey Wolves. And Storsett.   Yeah. That's The Return of the Native.  

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Yeah. And all that Yes. Good. Yes. He wrote a poem called The Conformers,   and it's just wonderful.   It's about a young man and woman, before they're married, going out in the country   views.   And all that's  

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all that seems so Well, they sound sound so reassuring, Chris. I want to have soundbarish   views. And you have scones and tea and happiness and everything. It's not a withering phrase. It is. Absolutely withering.  

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Wonderful. It is. Yeah.   Yeah.   So people are too many. You know, they're satisfied as Sam Powers feels, But I'm always excited by finding out that Sam put in Sam Powers' views are wrong. And, I mean, I sort of schooled myself with,   Alexander Solzhenitsyn, the Russian dissident who became a Christian in the,   communist labor camps.   And   his mind was one of the greatest minds.   And he wrote novels, plays, polemics, poetry,   And,  

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I've found this poem by Hardy, by the way.   I've found it, and it's only 4 verse verses. Let's give it a go. Are you ready? Here we go. Yeah. Are The Conformers by Thomas Hardy.   Yes. We'll wed my little fay, and you shall write, you mine.   And in a villa, chastely gray, we'll house and sleep and dine.   But those right nightscreened   divines, stolen trysts of heretofore,   We of   choice ecstasies   and fines shall know no more.   The formal faced Cohu   will then no more upbraid   With smiling smiles and whisperings too, Who have thrown less loves in shade.   We shall no more evade the searching light of the sun.  

Our game of passion will be played, our dreaming done.   We shall not go in stealth, to render view unknown.   But friends will ask me of your health, and you about my own. When we abide alone, no leapings each to each, but syllables in frigid tone of household speech.   When down to dust we glide, men will not say askance,   as now, how all the country side rings with their mad romance   but as they graverly glance, remark,   in them we lose a worthy pair who helped advance   Sound Parish   views.   That's pretty good.   That's pretty good, isn't it? There's only 4 verses. I'll tell you. I don't know what Cohu means at all. C o I I think it means  

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Yeah? U e. I think I think it means the general populace,   I think. Alright. Okay.  

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But isn't that just withering, you know? And too many Thanks for introducing me to it. I always like a good poem. I like to throw them in every now and again. I do. Seriously. They make you they push you into a different space, the poems, even if you're not comfortable with them. It's good being pushed a bit with those things. So that Alright. Well, my my favorite  

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short poem outside narratives   is Edmund Waller upon a lady fishing with an angle.   A woman fishing. And, of course, Edmund Waller is a is just, got a passion on this woman called Corinda,   and, he sees her as,   fishing, but it's appropriate that   he feels fished for but just flirted with, and,   so   he can't get this woman he's so desperately in love with. That is my favorite all time poem because the language is exquisite.   Edmund Waller. Wonderful.  

[01:42:11] Unknown:

Oh, it is. I can't do 2 poems in one show but it's only 4 verses. That's really cool. Upon a lady's fishing with an angle. Is that right? Something like that. Yeah. Edmund Waller. Oh, I'm tempted to, but I think we'll probably we'll probably blow the poem quotes out of this out of the show. No. Let's keep on let's keep on about the word of God. Yeah. We'll keep that one in abeyance for your return trip at some point in the future. Yes. Thanks, God. Thanks for that. I just wanted to bring in this phrase, sound parish views, because this is what's destroying our house. You know, these people, they're preaching out of Bibles translated by unregenerate  

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committees   that have come out of,   seminary or cemeteries and and morgues.   Mhmm. They're just peddling the views of the reformers,   particularly   the 39 articles of Cranmer and Ridley and the Westminster Confession   of the Westminster   Divines, so called. Mhmm. They weren't divine at all.   So these people, they are controlling these,   colleges and training camps   Yep. And with these views. Because unless you pass their exams, you can't get qualified.   Oh, no. And you need to be approved of by them, surely. Yeah. Yeah. Mhmm. And so I was saying to my my son rang me up this morning. I was saying to him   about this that,   it was under the 39 articles illegal   to,   preach without a license.  

So I said I said to my son, so   imagine if a carpenter   say   oh, I don't know why I thought of a carpenter   it would be illegal.   Yes. And so this   this was the environment, and now the great hymn writer, Isaac Watts, praise shall employ my nobler powers. His father was imprisoned   and would write home wonderful letters.   And so this was   in the 16, 60, 50, 60, 70s.   And,   so this persecution went on   for those who were preaching outside the system.   And these people   still control the you know they are,   what should I say, modern training camps for these ministers.   They're just inheritors or successors   of,   Cranmer and Ridley and the Westminster Divines.  

They're peddling the same stuff.   And so out of the pulpit,   you know, the just teaching the things that have come out of committee made Bibles Yes. And this is destroying the house of Israel. And I'll tell you, it says in Romans of of some,  

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their mouths have got to be stopped. And that's what it is with these people. Oh, I like that. Say that again. That's my kind of language. Their mouths have got to be stopped.   Correct.   With you on that one. Yeah.  

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Yeah. They do. And so all these places should be disassembled   and, if, you know,   it could be,   a reversal of what Cranmer and Ridley wrote, that they should be banned. And do you know what Cranmer and Ridley wrote in the 39 articles? In the 26th article   26th paragraph.   It's titled, Of the Unworthiness   of Ministers,   and they admit that some ministers   are unworthy and evil men, this is their phrase, evil men,   but we may use them in their ministry of the teaching of the word of God.  

[01:45:54] Unknown:

Well,   I think   I might take issue with that. That's what it says. Yes. Look it up. The 39 articles. Article 26,  

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evil men. We may use them.   So, yeah. They were themselves, Cranmer and Ridley, therefore,   evil   men, forbidding   the preaching of carpenters and fishermen.  

[01:46:16] Unknown:

You know when we met, Christopher? When we when we met and we were   there plowing through   that English cream tea, or at least I was. I can't remember what you had. Do you have an omelette or something? You had something nice. Anyway, it looked pretty good. Yeah. I can't remember that. We were I was I'm sure at some point when we were we were talking about   this tradition, it's more than a tradition, but certainly the history of the English and probably no doubt across   northern Western Europe too.   The retention of what used to be called a family Bible   That   births, deaths, and marriages   would not be registered because it got nothing to do with the king. They would be recorded by the family in the family bible, and it would be handed down from, you know, father to son. I don't know what you do if you've got several sons. Maybe they all fight over the Bible or something. I have no idea what would happen there. Maybe you have to make copies of all these records and pass them on. But,   your Bible   and this,   removal   of fog that you have been involved with, this removal of the, you know, confusion Yeah. Let's call it what it is. Yeah. Lies.  

Yes. The removal of the lies, which have been laid in there   surreptitiously and sometimes overtly.   Is it would you see your Bible as being the basis maybe, possibly, you know, to restore,   which needs restoring, the tradition amongst families   to get a Bible, to have lots of sheets in that, and to begin to use it and record their births and deaths because this also taps into,   our traditions here of common   law, which are supposed to be the pragmatic application of biblical law for the English and certainly anybody else that, you know, that uses it,   even though we know that courts today are keen to not have that go into there. Of course, all of these things get bound in in terms of the management of the land, the abuse of the monetary system,   our statuses,   has been forced upon us to be like feudal serfs   within a system that's got nothing,   to do with our our true purpose, which is to, you know, obey these laws   so that we can   turn in the people that God intended us to turn into.  

Do you think your book could form the basis of that?  

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Excuse me. I I love your vision of having a family bible, the Keys of the Kingdom.   On the,   title page of Keys of the Kingdom, it has   underneath the title   in italics so that times of refreshing might come from the face of the Lord.   And then   on the back of it, it's got the re the organic restoration of the original scriptures, and this is what we've got to have. So   times of refreshing, and this is restoration.   And so, you know, the prophet Elijah,   Jesus said, will restore all things, and all things have got to be restored. So everything in the word of God   has got to be restored. It's got to be harmoniously   and grammatically   pure and perfect.  

Now I'm not saying   that,   I've been totally without error. That would be foolish and arrogant and,   but and every day, every day I continue my studies.   How can I make this better? And I I state in the preface that I want perfection in the sanctuary   of the word of God for my Lord God and savior,   my for my savior, Jesus Christ.   I want perfection,   and this is what I've been striving for laboring   my fingers.   My fingers ache, and I just want this perfection   because nothing else will do. And these other Bibles, they will not be in the sanctuary. They cannot be.   And when I read them,   I can smell there's a dead spirit in some of them, you know, because they're coming from these unregenerate   committees.  

You read the prefaces. They give themselves away. I've been saying this for years. They give themselves away.   The NIV   says in its preface   that it undoubtedly   falls short of its goals.   Well, why did you publish it then? Mhmm. And they all say things like this, and,   and, and I financed this whole thing myself,   and I haven't received,   big advances from publishers.   I've done I've been learning on faith to do this, and   so it has to be,   with without   any adding or subtracting   that's going to alter.   And the Word of God has never been translated properly in the English language until now. We have been handed   thin things, some better than others, yes, and some wonderful phrases here and there, yes, and it amazes me   that people I know have found out what they have found,   considering   how much I know about the inaccuracies   of them.  

But now,   you know, we're going to have proper restoration of the word of God, and that's what this is, and it's nothing less.   And   it has to restore all things.  

[01:51:34] Unknown:

Yes.   Well, of course, there is there is this way of all this   this way needed   to bring this information to the young.   And maybe in the past, the parents knew well, they knew whatever they knew.   And you could say that with all the errors that were present, even that system, maybe the one that was running in the 17, the 1800,   was better than nothing at all. But, of course, it's always been declining down to this point that some great clean out was required,   because,   you know, the churches basically have become a business for one of the better word. I mean, they're quite prepared to let anybody in. And my observation been but these people are not in the contract, so what's the point? Why are you selling them a bill of goods that you can't deliver? In fact, it's not even your right to sell them that. You can't deliver it. This is a complete nonsense.   Oh, no. Jesus loves everyone. I don't well, I've read it. I don't see that. I don't see that, I'm afraid. That's not what you know, is it not the case that if you love me, keep my commandments. These things are really Yeah. Direct, very short sentences. They're not like I was saying earlier, you don't need a degree in rocket science to work it out.  

There's   a they work for us. They might not work for other people. They might work for other people. And if they do, jolly good luck to them. I don't mean anything against any other people. But the people that are really in trouble is us  

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more than anybody else. Yeah. And it's it's not just   that the,   the people who aren't on the contract aren't aren't or loved, but it's people who who are on the contract.   Psalm 5 verse 5,   it says so alright. Does   does Jesus love everybody? Psalm 5 verse 5,   you hate the workers of iniquity.   Yeah. That's not Jesus. That's Yahweh. Yeah. You hate the workers of iniquity. Now this can be just as much an   Israelite as any other race. Yes.   So It's true. Yeah. Their workers are And we're surrounded by them. We're surrounded by them. Yeah. They they dare to alter the word of God to make it say what they want it to say. I mean, this is what happens.   And so, oh,   John John 1, oh, it's about Jesus Christ in the world. Right,   again, I tell you right. WERMAID.  

Well, and word. Oh, word. It's capitalized in the King James. Right? Capitalized word. Yeah. That's what we do, and they're just following, and they're not thinking for themselves. I labor. It took me a long time to understand even John 11,   what it really means.   And,   so you know you have to labor in these things, and I've written over 400 documents, 15 book length studies,   got 2 book length studies published, and,   and others I could publish.   So   I've   laboured, and this is what you have to do, but they don't. They just repeat and regurgitate,   and it's all,   a bad inheritance from the reformation,   and then before that, the creeds,   of the church fathers, and before that,   the Latin Vulgate.  

And the King Jimmy,   it's,   it's just an echo of the   Latin Vulgate   in many passages concerning Jesus. And I did a made a table of these. It's about 80 pages long, and every single word in the Latin,   then lined it up with the words in the King Jimmy,   and how   the   latter was affected by the first. And sometimes they pitchforked in their own changes.  

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You just used the word pitch,   Christopher, I'm sorry to interrupt you, but yeah. Well, you use pitch for it, but we're down to the last 3 or 4 minutes here. So I'd like you to make your pitch   in the sense of if people want to get a copy of your book or books, because I know there's where do they go?   And, what can they expect to find out? Because you've also got a YouTube video channel where you're,   providing more exposition on your field of study. But where do they go if they want to get a copy of the book?  

[01:55:45] Unknown:

Alright.   My website is called keysofthekingdombible.com,   and on there you will find the 2022   hardback   and,   2023   paperback edition,   and then the new 2024   leather edition. Now I've paid for all these. I'm not making a big scam out of these.   Not making money.   Mhmm. So,   the 2024   leather edition   is   due to be delivered to the publisher on   Tuesday. I had an email from the printer this morning. We're we're delivering on Tuesday to the publisher.   And so this is the one I would recommend,   this new leather edition. It's beautiful,   it's lovely to hold,   And the interior design is all myself,   of of my own.  

And so you'll also find in there my study companion   guide, which is 200 pages,   of why there is a need for a proper organic translation,   and many of the lies and bad things are exposed.   Grammatical   facts,   internal harmony,   where it's broken.   And there's also my new booklet, which came out last month, Searching For Hell.   It's it's a booklet of 90 pages,   and when you've read that, the hell teaching is over forever.   It's all exposed and explained, and there's no further way to teach   hell.   And so that's the website,   and now   there are various purchasing options with this new leather edition. So you can get the   hell book for about £2.50   or something if you buy the leather edition. So,   it's not on Amazon, this leather edition.  

And   this is,   you know, a really generous way   of   presenting   his purchasing options and the study companion.   You can get them   for much cheaper.   And,   so I've done this to outwit Amazon.   We're not putting it on Amazon anyway. And then I have a YouTube channel called Keys of the Kingdom Holy Bible, which is the title of the book.  

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Christopher, your timing was perfect. That's why I'm just getting the   intro of the outro music. We've got about a minute and 20 seconds left. So I hope you'll come back and join us again at some point in the future.   You've been listening to   Paul English live here on WBN 324. I'll be back again next week at the same time, 3 PM US Eastern, 8 PM here in the UK. I've been talking   for the last 2 actually, I've been listening, hopefully. I've done a bit of talking, but, I've been listening to Christopher Sparks whose   Keys of the Kingdom Bible is now out available at his website. You can find the link below the rum entry for this show.  

I'll be back again next week probably with,   Paul b and Patrick c, the 3 p's in a podcast as it was called the other week.   And,   hopefully, be able to join us then. But, Christopher, thanks very much for being here. We'll have to do again and maybe we'll have to meet up for another cream tea at some point soon as well.  

[01:59:13] Unknown:

That'll be good. Meat is standing again. Thank you very much for inviting me onto your show, Paul. God bless you. God bless you too, Christopher. Wonderful to have you here. Be back again next week, everyone. Bye for now.