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Broadcasts live every Thursday at 8:00p.m. uk time on Radio Soapbox: http://radiosoapbox.com

Debt forgiveness and the works of Michael Hudson and the ancient practice of Jubilee years. This leads us into a deeper conversation about the Peasants' Revolt of 1381, highlighting the courage and resilience of figures like Wat Tyler and John Ball. We explore the oppressive conditions that led to this uprising and draw parallels to modern-day economic struggles.

Our conversation also touches on the insidious nature of Central Bank Digital Currencies (CBDCs) and the potential return of barter systems as a form of resistance. We discuss the importance of reconnecting with local farms and communities to build a more sustainable and self-reliant future. 

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Well, how about that? Like, that little music just stopped there. Hello. Welcome back. It's Thursday 18th April 2024.   The weeks get quicker and quicker and quicker. We're nearly into May. Good grief. A whole, is it a 3rd of the year gone by? Could be. This is Paul English live here on wbn 324 every Thursday 3 PM to 5 PM US Eastern,   8 PM to 10 PM in the UK.   Well, my last week was pretty much the same as the week before, except   busier.   Now we got plenty of clips and chat and talks.   This week's show is gonna follow pretty much the same format as last week, actually, for all sorts of reasons.   And last week's went pretty well, so fingers crossed we'll, we'll pull off a good one tonight too.  

Here we got clips of plenty.   I'm gonna try and get a poem in tonight, not on my own, so you don't need to get worried or start cringing.   Yeah. Hello everybody and welcome back to Thursdays.   And it's,   they're getting more and more disorienting because it's lighter all the time. Here we are. We've just gone 8 o'clock. I can actually see some lights left. Not too much, of course. It's been   wonderfully grey and dull and dreary down here for the last few days. People come up to me and say, are are you watching the chemtrails?   And I never do. I think I've probably sort of experienced most of,   most of my life through grayness anyway here in the UK. The weather's just generally gray, so maybe it's gonna take an awful long time   for the Brits to cotton on to this more fully.  

But, yeah, every now and again because I'm on the coast, we do get clear skies. Then they sort of cloud over really rather quickly. But then I'm thinking,   am I being overly paranoid?   And I might be being overly paranoid. I don't know. So,   those sorts of things do   do crop up from time to time in conversation.   One of the things one pointless and really rather silly conversation is something for you to think about throughout the show, I think, maybe tonight.   Oh. Oh, look at that.   Go away. There we go. I just wanted to do something silly right at the beginning, you know. That's that's my style.   Quick shout out to everybody in Rumble. I've got to find out how I can actually see everybody in Rumble. Do I click something somewhere?  

Probably do,   but to Kathy 7 and to Eric and anybody else that's piling into the chat or is listening over there in Rumbel. Big shout out. I'll have a look again as we go through. So hi, Warren. Good evening or good afternoon, depending on where you are. Welcome back.   So I'll be watching out,   in the, in the chat tonight. I I put a little note in actually about 40 minutes ago because I was early fiddling around with my,   you know, technicals, as you do prior to a show. And, although we can pull music out of a hat round here,   I actually haven't put any in the hat, so far for the show tonight. So   if you,   if there's a tune, if you get the urge, you know, and you you think, well, there's a tune I'd like to hear,   and you think it might be palatable and won't distress people too much,   then, lob it in to the chat over on Rumble.  

And that's probably the best way to go about dealing with these things.   Paul b will be joining me shortly. He might even be here, but he'll be joining me shortly. We've got a few things to go over. Well, I've got loads of clips actually and little,   poems, as I said. You might get more than 2 poems tonight. I just thought we'd have a bit of a change of pace.   And also Patrick Chanel,   should be joining us a little bit later. I've just got to sort him out a little bit technically,   because he just sent me a message just before this show saying, how do I join it?   Or how do I come into clean feed? Patrick, actually, if you're listening to   the way you get into the show look at this. I'm I'm sort of covering myself. The way you get into the show, if you head on over to   paulenglishlive.com,   and at the bottom of the page, you'll see a green link there that says something like studio or when the show is live to join the studio, or to call in. I think that's what it is. If you click that, it'll pull you into the show. Anyway, if you didn't hear this, you won't know what I'm talking about, but there we   I've got more stuff this week about the environment   until we all go crazy with it. But it is funny some of these things.  

Some of these comments,   really looking at them   effectively saying all the things that we're saying, but, of course, putting a negative spin on it as if they're still pushing this whole nonsense about carbon dioxide being well, there's just too much of it, isn't everyone? There's far too much carbon dioxide,   and yet and yet, you know, the trees still love it. They still love the carbon dioxide.   Now I was   talking just there about a poem. I'm gonna start us off with this is a good one though. This is a good one. By the way, when when I come to actually plan these things out,   the golden rule is there isn't much of a plan. I've got a splurge of, like, tabs open here with all sorts of   things that I just generally find interesting. And so this is why we hop back and forth across the topics, which I think is fine, really. It's a bit like being in a pub, isn't it? Slowly losing your thread after 15 minutes, then you start talking about the same thing about an hour later.  

Stuff like that.   Where was my little screen of loveliness? Okay. So I wanted to   you might have heard of a chap called   this is really rather chunky. I love this. I might have read this out before, but I'm gonna read it again. This is Rudyard Kipling.   You may have heard of him. He was quite famous. In fact, he won the Nobel Prize for Literature back in the 19 twenties. But, of course, he's slightly frowned upon these days and pooh poohed.   But he wrote I don't know when he actually wrote this one, and it's not long. And I'll tell you the title of it afterwards, because it's best to just read it. And many of you may have already heard it. I don't know. You may have already heard this poem. It's 1, 2, 3, 5. Five verses, each verse 6 lines. So there you go.   But this is   this has force to it.  

Here we go.   He wrote one day, I guess somewhere   in wonderful   Sussex, which is where he was.   The stranger within my gate,   he may be true   or kind,   but he does not talk my talk.   I cannot feel his mind.   I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,   but not the soul behind.   The men of my own stock, they may do ill or well,   but they tell the lies I am wanted to. They are used to the lies I tell,   and we do not need interpreters when we go to buy and sell.   The stranger within my gates, he may be evil or good,   but I cannot tell what powers control, what reasons sway his mood, nor when the gods of his far off land   shall repossess his blood.  

The men of my own stock, bitter bad they may be, but at least   they hear the things I hear   and see the things I see.   And whatever I think of them and their likes,   they think   of the likes of me.   This was my father's belief,   and this is also mine.   Let the corn be all one sheaf   and the grapes be all one vine. Ere   our children's teeth are set on edge,   by bitter bread   and wine.   Somebody said there that they remember mister Kipling's cakes.   Well, there is a brand over here called Kipling's Cakes. It might still be chugging along.   I've read that poem on and off for years. It seems more and more apt with each passing moment here in the UK, in Europe, and elsewhere.  

Kipling, of course, is classed as a highly politically incorrect writer now, and so that's why he's not given too much credence, but he's,   bang on with this.   And I would say whichever   race or nation you're in, this poem is appropriate for you, wherever you are.   You could read it with regards to your own people and the and the outcome of your own people and the strength of your families,   whichever race you're from. This is the key thing, it seems to me.   And, of course, it lends,   a lot of force against the lie that is always thrown at   us. People that are concerned about their own nation that they're racists.  

So I'm trying to find different ways, you see, to address this very thorny problem, which apparently we're not allowed to talk about too directly because otherwise it's going to be, whether we like it or not,   interpreted as hate.   This is what occurs. It's going to be interpreted as hate,   and we are going to be cast as haters.   Oh, well. Never mind. What can you do?   The real haters, of course,   and I'm gonna I guess I'm just gonna keep reemphasizing this point, and we all need to keep reemphasizing it, I guess, in our own thoughts,   is that those who seek to   create   this   world of diversity,   who say things like diversity is our strength.  

They're not lying, by the way, when they say that, but   that they don't mean quite what the audience thinks it means.   The people that are pushing that are, it seems to me, the biggest haters of them all.   So how come how come that we are not able   to have them in courts   answering for their hate crimes   against all the different races of the earth as they seek to admix them together to destroy   all of them? That's really what they're doing. And just going back to that little phrase, you know, you've Tony Blair used to drone on about this, but he's not the only one. They all got their hymn sheet, I suppose, sent through in the mail, didn't they?   Diversity is our strength.  

The code there is when they use the word our,   they're referring to them and their of   psychopathic no. That didn't do it, does it? I'm fed up. I'm bored with that word.   Their coterie of   whatever. You insert your own   adjectives. Okay? Because we're going to run out of them to describe their behaviour.   Very very bad naughty people. How about that? That's pathetic, isn't it? They're talking about their own peer group.   Diversity is our strength, they say. Of course it is. It's their strength   because what it does is it depletes   our strength. People over here on the other side of things. And,   I know last week I was mentioning,   a little bit about   the ownership of land here in the UK. I mean, Paul were discussing it. He might step in at some point, which is fine. You can do, Paul. Anytime you feel like piping up, just jump in.  

But I'm gonna repeat a fact from last week as well because I think it's worth repeating.   When the   the sold out tremendously,   he found   that   landowners,   people owning 3,000 acres and more,   4,000 families owned 50% of the UK or England. Maybe it included Scotland too. It probably did.   4,095   percent of the people   owned   nothing,   and that's,   what, a 150,   160 years ago? It's not too far off. It doesn't seem too far off to me in these hectic times.   So that,   that line, that division between them and us, which we've all known has always existed,   there is sitting there right royal and pretty, right in the data. And, I've yet to get through any more of that particular book,   but,   I will be doing. I'll probably bring you more information from it as I get through it. I'm about 60 pages through the thing. It's about 250 pages or something. So I'm trying to jump around and mark it all up with biros as we go,   but I think this is key stuff. It's absolutely key stuff.  

So let's just have oh, we got some little flurry of comments coming in.   No. Oh gosh. Yeah.   Yes.   How about that?   I can't read that one out, Kathy. We can't we can't talk about Adolphe's birthday being in 2 days time. I'll get locked up for that. They'll probably be the birthday police. There's got to be a division formed for that as well.   Eric writes: So when people accuse me as of being a racist, I deliberately misunderstand   and take it as a compliment, thinking a racist is a person that looks young and fit and does racing. Well, that's one take on it, Eric. I guess that is one take on the whole thing. But   how about this one as a take? How about this? So people that love   capitalism are known as capitalists. Right?  

And people that love   communism,   boo. I should have said boo after capitalism as well, really, because they're both a bit of a mess.   Communism, of course, is a savage mess. They're known as communists. People that love communism are known as communists.   And,   people that love their nation   are known as nationalists. So   people that love their own race are racists. Right?   Except, of course, we all know,   do we not? For we are reading the press, and we are being formed and taught by our masters, courtesy of the mainstream media,   that   only white people can be racist,   which is a bit of a puzzle. I mean, that seems to be as if they're giving a privilege. I mean, is it a good thing to only be racist? I don't think it is, you know. I think all people naturally must be racist.  

I don't see what the problem is,   But, of course, they spin it in this negative light. This is the thing that Kipling was addressing in many ways, you know, in this poem about the stranger.   The fact is that if there were these tremendous examples throughout history   of the ad mixing of races on the same bit of real estate for permanent living cheek by chow working,   actually working, then it would have naturally occurred a long time ago. It would have just come about.   But it doesn't work. It's not designed to work. Not only is it not designed to work, it's not actually required.   It's a total it's totally surplus to the requirements of nature.  

Nature doesn't want it. In fact, nature,   of course, operates in such a way as to push against it and to stop it, and it gives you instincts   about these things,   which, of course, I suppose we could say since World War   2, courtesy of the mainstream media,   these instincts of people   have been massively overwritten by the permanent 247 indoctrination   courtesy of TV media   and the monkey thing. You know, what we we do, we see what monkey monkey see monkey do. That kind of thing. So   we can't underestimate the drip drip drip permanent power of that stuff. And I'm sure most listeners here don't underestimate it, actually. But,   we're also in this positive space as well, are we not? Courtesy of the COVID   attack,   the wedging of war, courtesy of COVID, where many people have been aroused,   to see this and to slowly engage with topics which pre 2020,   a lot of people would have been out of the room like a shot. In fact, I used to do it as a test. I might have mentioned it before.  

How fast can you clear a room? How fast do you want to clear a room? Well, you're going to polite company. Just start talking about race. It'll clear pretty quickly. Even now, I would have thought it would. It's probably the fastest way, you know, if you've got a doorway   that's jammed with people, you've got a bit of a people float problem, just stand on the corner and start talking about race. They'll all clear off faster than you can say Jack Robinson, whoever he may be.   And speaking of monkeys.   Okay?  

This is a really important conversation I was having earlier this week with someone in my family, one of my sons.   We were discussing what's the best ever monkey film.   What do you think is the best film that's got a monkey in it?   Right? I don't know why we're talking about it but there's something about monkeys, isn't there? Or is it about King Kong? So, of course, that might be the first one that leapt into your mind or roared into your ear. I don't know.   He seemed to think that the monkey from,   night at the museum was the best one. There's a little capuchin monkey in that. I've forgotten his name. That slaps   somewhat like crazy.  

So, you can see we're gonna we're gonna be covering some really important and deep topics tonight, but maybe you wanna have a think about that. If anybody thinks they know, what's the best film ever with a monkey in it?   What's the top monkey film ever? I suppose you could say it may be one with the monkeys in that pop group that was manufactured in the 19 sixties. But then so were the Beatles, weren't they? And so were many of the other sorts of things, manufacturers   as well.   Paul, are you there?   I've done my opening shot. Are you there? Would you like to step in and say hello?   Oh, you you are saying hello, but I've got you muted. So this is great. Watch me press the right button there. Yes. You do. There we go. Hi, Paul. Welcome to the show. Did you press the right button? I did. I did.  

I did. I've got too many buttons and not enough fingers, and I'm also I've got one of my fingers is deformed viciously. It isn't really. I just always hang it up, but Oh. Yeah. So what kind of a week have you been having?  

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Oh, I've been having a pretty good week.   It's,   well, there've been rolling blackouts,   in the area where   the host of the show that I do 6 days a week,   Oh, yeah. Those rolling blackouts have have basically   meant I'm playing archives, and he's   just fuming because his lights are all out. But   I don't know   what my favorite monkey movie is. I'm keen to hear it. I do know   I do know that that it it was a   it was it was almost a premonition. It was it was almost like,   one of the great prognosticators   of the world, and and it was a person that wrote a book   that actually,   predicted   Biden   being elected   as president.  

And, of course, the book that I'm talking about is Curious George Goes to Washington.  

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Yeah.   Now was that That's my favorite book. That was turned into a film, was it? Yeah? Yeah.  

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No. No. It's no. It's my favorite book. Alright.  

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Yeah.  

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No. I It was almost like an Edgar Cayce moment   when that book hit this hit the shelves. I mean, that's why I mean, it's  

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I've got I've got a great Edgar Cayce book somewhere floating around the house.   It's been one of the rooms because the every room I've got in the house is full of books.   I liked Cayce, very interesting guy. He's one of those things that just grab your attention. I don't think he wrote much about monkeys though, did he? I don't know why we got carried away about monkeys. Completed it. Why is it what is it with them when they come on to you know, when is it David Attenborough or Richard? No. Richard was the director and the actor. David, who's still chugging along, good old chap, even though they've kind of hijacked him and roped him into the environmental bullshit business, which which they wanted to do. So they must put a bit of pressure on him. But,   he's I mean, there was that great one where he was, I don't know if it you saw it over there. There's a great one where he was rolling around with gorillas. I think that was in the late seventies or early eighties. He went out and just hung out with gorillas, fascinating   things. And,   there's something captivating about monkeys. I don't know what it is. I mean, this is not a really heavy or deep topic. We don't have to spend the whole evening talking about monkeys, but it did.  

It came up the other day and I just thought,   yeah, there is something about them really.   There really is. I've always I've rented some in the garden for some time. Did I mention this to you?  

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No. No. You didn't. But but I think the amazing thing about monkeys is that they   they're in some ways so similar to people, but in other ways so completely   different.   So they really do hit both sides of the spectrum, and you really don't know what to expect out of them at any moment.  

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No.  

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I think that might be it.  

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I think Eric might have actually piss   picked   the best   the best monkey film. He's very close. Although, Paul, you're gonna you're probably gonna wanna put a stake in this from your side of the pond.   Eric writes the best monkey film is the daily televised UK parliament, Chimps Tea Party. He might be right, Eric. You're actually pretty close to that. Although, that's a bit of an insult to monkeys. Right? We have that.   Yeah. Do you? What do you have? We have that on C SPAN.  

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Yeah. We we have that on C SPAN. So, you know Yeah.   I don't know. Yeah. Warren's right. Did make a song choice.   Yes. Yeah. Eric made a song choice, but I don't think we're gonna be able to get to that because, the shortest version I mean, that's an that's an actual   orchestral   work, and it goes anywhere from 15 minutes to an hour.   Now, unless we wanted   to put on the 58   minute and 5th Wagner's tonhoser.  

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You're a troublemaker.   It's outrageous.   We can't have that.  

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Yeah. Well, we could put on the 58 minute version and just head down to the pub for a cold one and then come back by the time it ends. You know? We could do that.  

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Yeah. Okay. Probably a little bit too long this night. Maybe we'll do a special Wagnerian edition, and we can do The Rings of the Nibelung and all that kind of stuff. And, yeah, we'll do the whole lot, you know. And we'll make it a a full one day show.   The whole the whole lot. Few comments about David Attenborough here here, Paul. David Attenborough is a global warming pusher, complete muppet.   Well,   not complete. I actually I can't help but have a soft spot for him for all the good work he's done. And I think, like I was saying, I think he's just been roped in. They put pressure on these guys. How old is he now? He's 90 odd.   He's still doing coherent work. But they started to make him introduce this nonsense with regards to climate and this, that, and the other.  

When did I first notice it? I don't know. I don't watch that much TV, but I suspect it's been happening over the last 5 to 10 years, basically.   And they're always banging on about this stuff. And of course, if they can get it coming out of his mouth, well, it it carries so much more weight.   It carries so much more weight Mhmm. With the with all that kind of stuff. But Yeah. Well, maybe there should be a fight between   oh, we need a competition. Maybe one of these TV things, you know, where people vote for which is the which is the most silly   communication space. The the UK houses of parliament or wherever your guys talk. Where do they talk? What's the place where you your guys shout at one another? Do they have one?  



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Just the House.  

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The House. Senate.  

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But you can catch it all on Seaspan.  

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Yeah. You're not selling it to me, Paul. I'm not too keen to do that.  

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Well, hey,   don't shoot the messenger. Jeez.  

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No. Absolutely. I'm just trying to find I must have   a pretty,   let's I must have an environment. Oh, here's one. Look. Here, this will do. It's 1 minute and 20 seconds. Let me   this is from   Boris Johnson's   dad, everybody. Ray, Boris Johnson's dad. Now Boris Johnson was the guy that was   apparently the prime minister.   Let's  

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listen to this if we can. Let's see what he says. This report which you've just referred to, Nala, is so extremely important because the idea it is getting across is that there's a global carbon budget out there. You know, it is 40,000,000,000  

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tons, gigatons a year and if we don't keep to that, actually, we gotta go we we gotta shave that down year after year. We run out of steam by by 2030, you know, so it's absolutely vital. But this is all kind of based on modeling, isn't it? So we sort of do these modeling stuff. Don't we have to be careful that that our modeling is actually correct? Because a lot of the modeling so, for example, the modeling during the pandemic, we got that completely wrong.  

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And it was so way off the mark. Don't we have to be careful in our modeling? Because the outcome that we're predicting using our current modeling. Well, you've got 100 100 top scientists out there behind behind this report. And one thing is not modeling, which is actually measuring the increase in in in the presence of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. That is a that is an absolute fact. I mean, well, I think we're on about 418   PPM, and the pre industrial level was half that. So that is a that is a fact. Now, it's the implications of that which, of course, does does require modeling. Right. And and I think they pretty much got it right. You see it, I travel around the world the whole time, and you can just see the effects of it, the floods,   the the the drought,   the melting of the glaciers. So it actually means that   countries need to divvy up this carbon budget between them, and then they need to divvy up the sectors. And then they need to have the measures which deal sector by sector with getting the and if that means, actually, some of us are told, well, you can't go on a plane, that's fine. That's part of the part of the national plan. I travel around the world the whole time.  



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This report which you've just referred to. Oh, that was very weird, wasn't it? Anyway, that was Boris Johnson's dad talking,   manure. I was going to be very vulgar then. But,   so many of the what did he refer to there? A 100 scientists. I wonder who pays them.   They can't be very good at science, can they?   I mean, really. I know we were talking about this last week, Paul, but it's worth just coming back to on a regular little basis. The whole idea   that they're pushing out this permanent lie, this total nonsense by wheeling out gimps like this guy, Johnson's dad. He wrote a book, you know, some years ago. I can't remember what it was. Was it about a virus wiping loads of people   out? What these people are are they ever happy? Why do they have some sort of intelligent ideas? But, of course, they're not really going to do that, are they? They're not really gonna have intelligent ideas. I don't think they are. I don't think they're gonna have any intelligent ones at all. That was Boris Johnson's dad talking rubbish.  



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Yes. We're actually   short of c o two. Plants need it,   and when the plants don't have it, the plants die. When the plants die, they don't create oxygen. And when there's no oxygen,   we die. Yep.  

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It's not difficult, is it? I think,   yeah. So he's he's crying about a 114   parts per million. Not enough.   I want a 1000000 parts per million. We want nothing but carbon more carbon dioxide.   There's a great Simpsons thing where he was   Bart was trying to be popular at school, and he started coming up with a channel about more asbestos, and they call all the class.   It was just being counter against whatever was being put out. But that clip   leads me to this quote from a gentleman called Frederic Bastiat. If you're not familiar with him, you are now. I'll spell that surname, b a s t I a t, Frederick with a c, just one c, Frederic Bastiat,   fantastic guy, wrote some brilliant stuff, French excellent stuff. Here's a little quote from him that's kind of in in line with that. He says,   if the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad   that it is not safe to permit people to be free,   how is it that the tendencies of these organizers, like Boris Johnson's dad,   are always good?  

Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race?   Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind?   Well, Frederick, I think you answered your own question. It's the last one. Yes. They do think they're made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind.   Do you not think, Paul?   Oh.  

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Yeah. Yeah? I actually do. And You do. I was I was muted,   but my my assistants poke up just as you called my name, and I'm going, okay. If I mute if I unmute now, everybody in the world is gonna know that I have Alexa in my living room.  

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Is that what was going on?   Oh, actually, I'm glad you did me because that would have been very weird. I wouldn't have been able to think for 3 or 4 minutes after that. I'm finding it hard enough as it is, absolutely, to do that. Bastiat wrote some tremendous things. Absolutely brilliant. I gotta give you this other quote while we're here. I might even do this twice in the show. It's that good. And if you don't know this quote, you'll know it now and you may have seen it before. This is fantastic.   This describes our situation   so spot on in terms of the legal constraints or so called legal constraints that are placed upon us. He wrote this.  

When plunder   becomes a way of life,   men create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and the moral code that glorifies it.   You must have heard that before, Paul. I think you must have heard that.  

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No? Oh, absolutely.   It's so  

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small. You can't wheel these things out often enough, really. I mean, it's just absolutely so the moral code that they're glorifying right now, they're doing that courtesy of the mainstream media because they are so moral and so much better than the rest of us. And they are, are, you know, really looking after us. And we all feel that, don't we? We really feel the love coming from these people, and their kindliness,   and their warm vision for a good   earth and for all the different races on the earth. We don't feel   anything like that at all.  

I see   that we are joined by Patrick Chanel. So let me bring him into the into the room   and hopefully be fine. Patrick,   hello. Good afternoon.  

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Yeah. Hey.  

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Hey. You can hear me. Good. Yeah. We can hear you. You sound fine. Yeah.   I might even give you I might even give you an extra decibel, you know, which is quite quite nice, isn't it? You're getting an extra decibel like that.  

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Oh, yeah. Yeah. For free? Yeah. For free. Extra. I feel slighted.  

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You're free.   So, everybody if you've not heard, Patrick Chanel, he does a few shows and is a good friend and we're part of a look, everybody's name here in the group begins with p. I just thought you ought to know. If you if your name doesn't begin with p, you can still call in later on. Don't worry. But right now, we got Paul, Patrick, and Paul. So   or something like that   is the is the thing. But, Patrick, are you out in the field then,  

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Literally. No. No? No. No. No. No. I'm at my broadcast desk. Right? No? Oh, wow. I didn't wanna I didn't wanna call in on my phone because I had bad service, you know Yeah. Bad signal. So   yeah. Cool. I figured I'd call in   and, respect your audience enough so you're not always asking, hey, are you there? Hello? Hello? You know, kind of thing.  

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Wow. No. It's good to hear you, Paul. Yeah. You too, Patrick. It's good. It's been a busy little week. So,   those of you I don't you've not been on before, have you? Did you oh, actually, I did that group thing   a few months ago. Were you on on that? I'm sorry for forgetting. I think you you might have been. There was quite a large cluster of us around a Christmas show, I think. Did you were you in on that show, possibly? Yeah. Karim? Oh, cool. Yeah. With Andy?   Yeah. That's right. That's a few months ago, and I'd spoken to Andy Hitchcock as well earlier this week. I hadn't spoke to him for quite a while. A very long call. Lots of fun. We didn't talk about monkeys. We've been we've done enough talking about monkeys already. There was no no monkey chat in that call, which was   which was which was fine.  

And   oh, okay. And this message in chat   is   No. What's that?  

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Sorry. Anthropomorphizing,  

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making monkeys out to be men. Well, there is that. Monkeys. Yeah. Well, we were trying to discuss what's the best film that's got a monkey in it, you know. And, of course, everybody probably thinks King Kong or Mighty Joe Young. Do you remember that thing from the fifties or whenever it was? I remember seeing that one about 7. I cried when the when the big monkey was it was not a good day. I don't really want to talk about that again. It's really rather embarrassing.  

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Was that a Ray Harryhausen animation?  

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I think it was. Yeah. One of those stop motion things by Ray with Ray Harryhausen. Very captivating,   And someone here, there's a troublemaker's written, is actually watching football on the TV whilst listening. Hi, night and day. Fantastic. Welcome to the show. So catching the show, but also watching Liverpool versus Atlanta   in the Europa Cup. Well Who's he who's he rooting for? I don't think we watch. Atlanta. It's all very sad, really. People watching football. What's going on? You know, I have no idea what that's all about. Absolutely bizarre behavior. Isn't you'll you'll never walk alone? Isn't that the Liverpool theme?  

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It is. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. How'd they come up with that? Isn't that an American song?  

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You'll Never Walk Alone. I don't know. Is it? Was it? I think so. Well, it was released by some band in the sixties. And then they adopted it as an anthem up at Anfield. And they all sing it. But Night and Day, I believe, is a Spurs supporter. But we don't want to go there. The whole chat will just turn into a big   football thing. This is terrible. It's gonna get hijacked. I don't know what to say.   Yeah.   So, Patrick, anything interesting going on with you recently?  

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Oh, besides work? Well, work is kind of interesting.  

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Yeah.  

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You know, what what do you what do you do when,   the work you're working for is selling to,   a country that's, bombing people.   You know? Is that what when yeah. That's kinda what's going on with with my work. It's like, what do I do? You know, do I continue to work there or do I give it up? Really?  

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You're in a bit of a trap, are you? You don't need to explain, but I understand. It must be it is a kind of yeah. You you won't be the only person in that. Do we call that a moral dilemma? Is that what it is? Yeah.  

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Mhmm. I'd say so. Yeah.   But, yeah, besides that, pigs.   We talk about pigs.  

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And I've got to tell the viewers something about about you and the pigs. So you have to forgive me, Patrick. I gotta go. So when I first connected up with Patrick, probably, what, 5 or 6 months ago, maybe, summer of last year, something like that.   And,   other people had told me what a terrible person you were, but I didn't let that put me off. And we ended up talking, didn't we?   And then the first photographs you sent me were of these,   because of yours you'd just been killing me. A repertoire.   Yeah. You'd been out there. You're a man of the earth, aren't you? You're a man of the of the farming world. You're a man of the livestock world. And you've been out there   making pigs meet their maker in a in the  

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not so bad.   It's it's an occupation I could take with me anywhere in the world and have work. I guess you could. Well, as long as they still allow pigs to thrive.   Well, it's not you don't have just pigs. You know, it could be sheep. It could be cattle. Yeah. I've done plenty of cattle. So that's yeah. It's not   I'm not limited in that regard. So yeah. No. But once you know how to do it, it's, it's quite the skill to have, I'd I'd say.   Because you could go anywhere. You can barter. You can trade. You could be in, like, tribal areas of some remote,   you know, jungle and you could still get by.  



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I guess the the bones. Yeah. I guess the,   the more earthy aspect of farming such as,   or livestock farming, such as slaughtering animals, you know, to go to market   is something, of course, that we're all so distant from now because we buy all our food or have been or maybe we very soon won't be able to buy all our food in these delightful   plastic packages courtesy of the supermarket. So we've become very distanced from the   the actual   natural,   you know, condition of meat. It's much better really, I think, in a butcher's where you used to get everything all laid out. Even as a kid, it was like, oh, what's that? You know, but,   most of us, of course, are completely, oh, I couldn't possibly do that, and we get quite squeamish about it. And yet, without it,   there wouldn't be any steak on the plate, would there, once a month?  

Or whatever it is.  

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Yeah. Bacon.  

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Oh, yeah. Bacon, though. I get I've given up on bacon. I had to stop. I'm not allowed to eat pigs. So I stopped eating them. You can read into that, listeners, what you will.   But,   yeah.   And now get chicken sausages.   How about that? Anyway,   chicken sausages.   Do you wanna hear something about the Federal Reserve and and Central Bank currencies? So here we go. Here's a little clip. And,   this is quite revealing, again, about CBDC.   They're going to hop around on the thing. This is from, well, a few weeks ago,   President of the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis,   Neil Kashkari.  

It sounds it's almost like but it's Kashkari, not with a c, k a s h   k a r I. Let's just listen to this. It's not very long clip. I think it's about Central Bank Digital Currency. Do you think that that is something that you all should be looking into seriously?  

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Had to to what degree should you be looking into it seriously? Just what what are your thoughts on CBDC?  

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I mean, as, my colleagues at the Federal Reserve have talked about, we are examining it. I'll tell you my personal bias is I'm pretty skeptical. I keep asking anybody,   anybody at the fed or outside of the fed to explain to me what problem this is solving.   I did I can send anybody in this room $5 with Venmo right now.   Right? No, seriously. So what is it that a cbdc could do that Venmo can't do?   And all I get is a bunch of hand waving. I get a bunch well, maybe it's better for financial inclusion.   Maybe it's better for cross border remittances. Maybe. Is there any evidence that it is? And, you know, they say, well, what about China? China is doing it. Well, I can see why China would do it. If they want to monitor every one of your transactions   You could do that with the central bank digital currency. You can't do that with benmo   If you want to impose negative interest rates, you could do that with the central bank digital currency. You can't do that with Venmo. And if you wanna directly tax customer accounts, you could do that with the central bank digital currency. You can't do that with Venmo. So I get why China would be interested.  

Why would the American people before that?  

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Wow.   Didn't he say the truth there? What do you think?  

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Yeah. I think he's he's,   but what what is the ultimate goal of him? You know, what is what does he want? That's the Federal Reserve head of the bank Federal   Reserve Bank of Minneapolis, which is near me.   Well,  

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I don't know. He seems to be telling the truth there, doesn't he? They're gonna, you know, they are gonna be someone to tell the truth. Maybe maybe they already  

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control Venmo as a CBDC.   Maybe Bitcoin is a CBDC and it would just be a, you know, further,   confusion.  

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What is Venmo, by the way? It's the first time I've ever heard of it. Is that a payment system or something in the States? Some yeah. It's like an online payment type system like PayPal.  

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Alright. I think it might even be related   somehow to PayPal.   Yeah. But it's also a swift swift system.  

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Right.   Okay.   Well, the insidious nature of it   is,   every everybody has probably heard of geofencing.   So geofencing is this technical thing,   where, you know we'll use the mobile phone because, apparently, it is a phone that you carry around with you, although people aren't as mobile as they used to be because they're all just sitting in our houses for the last 4 years. But let's assume you still move around a bit with your phone.   They can actually set it up so that, for example, if they don't want it to work in Staffordshire,   for example, and who would want it to work in Staffordshire? No. I don't know why it's even said that. Sanctions.  

Yeah. They can they can stop you being connected.   They can switch things on and off on your phone. All of this kind of stuff.   And, of course, we kind of know that this is what they want to do.   But that's really the main purpose of a CBDC.   If it gets in, it's nothing to do with actual   improved banking,   because the only way to improve the bank is to burn it to the ground   and start again.   But, it's to micromanage every aspect of your life. I know I'm probably preaching to the choir here, but   at least he said something sensible. Whether whether he is just a sop to us to keep us happy. Oh, look. Like me, I'm doing right now. Oh, look. Here's a really intelligent man   from the Federal Reserve in Minneapolis   telling us that there's really no purpose of CBDCs at all, yet the argument will still keep drifting in their direction because it isn't really a genuine argument. It's this condition that we're in where   we have no opportunity   to really   have them work for us. They have assumed, you know, full total   spectrum control over everything because   as Bastiat said, you know, they they're better than us,  

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aren't they? I think I think there should be some regulation,   in regards to these, cryptocurrency   exchanges because what happens if a cryptocurrency exchange   doesn't want to give you your money   and they just lock you out and you have no way of communicating with them? Because many of these don't have a physical address tied to their their business. It's all all over the place.   So I think there should be some sort of regulation on that state by   state. Yeah. But, you know, like, you do you remember Stephen Mitford Goodson and the idea of having a state bank like North Dakota State Bank is Yes. Like, one of the few state banks   in the United States, if not the only one Yep. Where they could print their own money if they wanted to.  

And of course  

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Yeah. They have a very   solid   account book, don't they? So this is North Dakota. Yeah. I've been aware of this. North Dakota.  

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Yeah.   So a lot of oil and farming.  

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Mhmm. And very few people are aware of this bank in North Dakota because   the other banking systems don't want you to be aware of it. But it exists. Yeah. And it was started in 1919.   Yeah.   And it works.   It's and you know, I,   I've got a book on the way,   from,   I've got 4 or 5 now. I'm going mad, actually. I won't be able to move again soon. But there's actually, Patrick, we were talking about this gentleman earlier in the week. Michael Hudson, an an economist over in your neck of the woods.   Yeah. New York. Yeah. Very bright guy. Where is he? Yale or something like that or Harvard. He's one of those. He's he's out of that space, and he works with a a kind of peer group. He's one of the few people that basically spotted 2,008 before it happened with the great   long term capital management meltdown of everything.  

He's written a book called And Forgive Them Their Debts, and I'm gagging to get this book. Although, there's a sort of little reverse story in it as well. But,   what he's talking about,   is a connection between   scriptural   economic law,   let's call it that,   and why it worked in the past.   And, actually, also the the main sort of,   focus, what he's saying let me read you this thing from the blurb on the book or the littles on his site. And his website, by the way, for those that are interested,   michael dashhudson.com.   Okay?  

The book is called, And Forgive Them Their Debts, Lending, Foreclosure, and Redemption from Bronze Age Finance to the Jubilee year, and you'll have heard me talk about jubilee and other people talk about jubilee.   He says this, in and forgive them their debts,   renowned professor of economics, Michael Hudson, and one of the few who could see the 2008 financial crisis coming,   takes us on an epic journey through the economies of ancient civilizations.   For the past 40 years, in conjunction with the Harvard Peabody Museum, he and his colleagues   have documented the archaeological   record and history of debt and how societies have dealt with or failed to deal with   the proliferation of debts that cannot be paid.  

In the pages of and forgive them their debts, readers will discover   shocking historical truths   about how debt played a central role in shaping ancient societies.   Perhaps most striking of all is that in a nearly complete consensus   of Assyriologists,   and I personally don't know any Assyriologists, so we'll have to go along with that, and biblical scholars,   here's a here's a line for you. The Bible is preoccupied   with debt not   sin.   So I'm very keen to get my hands on this, and and if it turns out to be as good as that little blurb has got me salivating about, then I'll be talking about it quite a bit in this show in the weeks to come. It's I won't have it for a few days yet, and it's going to take me a little while to get through it.   But as I've mentioned before, my entire connection   into looking at scripture,   for me, personally, came through looking at banking. I've always thought it was a bit odd. So a book like this is like, oh, you wrote this personally for me. Did you? That's what I thought when I saw it.  

You know?   Yeah.  

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His his main claim to fame was a book called Super Imperialism   Right. From the seventies. And   that's basically telling us about the World Bank and IMF system and how it's,   an extension of the American military. Like, certain IMF or World Bank chiefs have always been,   high ranking chiefs of staff of the military here.   Mhmm. And   loans to other countries,   a a lot of times, are stipulated based on,   military,   needs   Yes. So to speak.  

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Well, are they the biggest purchaser and expander of money, the military? They're a pretty big part of it, aren't they? Yeah. So many industries feed into it. Education. Yeah. Yeah. And the education goes hand in hand with it.  

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As far as his new book, I've I've heard him talk about it before, Michael Hudson. He Yeah.   He does a lot of talking about the Byzantine Empire   and the banking in that in that structure, but it it predates it in the code of Hammurabi. I think he kind of starts there and then works his way through the Byzantines,   which are kind of the ideal   in his his   his outlook   as far as forgiving debts, the 50 year jubilee cycle Yeah. As a way to clear clear debts and   and create peace without having to go to war to collect debt,   which has been the cycle we've been in through the 20th centuries   going in Yes.  

You're basically a debt collector at a certain point. And if you have a system based on usury,   it's it's never gonna balance out. So you're always gonna be in a perpetual war state if you don't forgive the debts. Yeah. Like you said, it's biblical because the Jesus,   the our father prayer mentions   forgive us our debts as we forgive those who have a debt to us as we forgive our debtors.  

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Yes. So  

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we say trespasses. It's just another way of saying it.   But, yeah, like you say, it's just sin is debt   in a in a regard, in a way.  

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Well, you mentioning the Byzantine   situation has got me   drooling even more. I've realized just how old I am.   Don't you think it's a bit strange? It's kind of esoteric to most people out here. But I think it's absolutely key. Well,  

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modern day Russia is based on the Byzantine Empire.   A lot of it still to this day, you know, in the church. Their church is more Byzantine than the the Western churches   Yeah. Tend to be.  

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Well, there is this fact, this truth about the the Byzantine Empire that it's, a, not talked about much at all.   It's certainly not taught.   There was no mention of it at all during my history   classes at school, not that I was paying too much attention. I was spending most of my time drawing little things on the pictures inside the books because   you opened them up, you found that lots of graffiti had been going on in all these books for years, and you just wanted to add to it. So, of course, it's very wrong. I should have been paying attention. But I'm pretty sure we didn't do anything about the Byzantines or the or Byzantine or or anything like that. And yet it is   the longest lasting empire we know of   longer than Egypt or anything. It's from about 300   to 1500 or something. It's about 11, 1200 years  

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all the way through. Constantinople   turned into Istanbul.  

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That's right. Is it Istanbul or Constantinople?   There there's a song, Paul. We need to dig that one up. Who was that by? Do you remember that one?  

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American Band. Yeah. The  

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Who's did that?  

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Is it Istanbul? Oh, I I know who's talking about. Is it Istanbul?  

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Sorry. I liked it. It was a very good song. I can't remember the name. You find it, send it to me. I'll convert it. It's my brain. Will my brain find it, Paul? It's not working very well. I can't anybody know the song I'm desperately singing badly?   Yeah. There are I've been trying to get  

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in here for a minute. Yeah. Go on, please. Blast away. Kick us off. Come on.   Okay. Well,   I'm   I was listening to that clip, and I I picked absolutely the wrong time to go make a pot of coffee. Because I was listening to that clip, and I was loaded for bear by the time I got back to my computer. However, there wasn't any way to get in because my mute was stuck. Anyways,   I think it's very, very interesting that he used the word Venmo,   like, 5 or 6 times. Yeah. Because not what a whole lot of people know is Venmo is a PayPal company.   Okay? And PayPal   is so far about the internal revenue service, the,   the individuals   representing Satan's backside,   that   if,   you don't have actually a a business EIN number attached to your PayPal account, they'll just go ahead and and withhold   24%   of any funds that come into your PayPal account, and they'll they'll happily send it right off to the IRS.  

Now Venmo   is exactly the same as PayPal. They're two sides of the same bent coin.   So the reason,   I've gotta wonder,   he would use the word Venmo 5 times. He's trying to put it in people's heads.   It's soft conditioning.   Oh, wow. He's saying that Venmo is better than cbdc   or cbdc.   I'd better go get a Venmo account right away.   Why?  

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It's a PayPal company. Yeah. They already own it. They already control it just like Bitcoin, in my opinion.  

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So you say that he's just another evil banker. Is that what you're saying? Is he another one? Absolutely.  

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Yes. He's a I thought we'd   He's not even controlled opposition. He's he's Great. He's daft.  

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Paul, I sent you a song. I've found the song. I found the I found there's someone in the chat, right, has found the song, and I've got it. You haven't got time to process it, Paul, because we're coming up to the break. We only got 5 minutes, and I'm gonna play it. Is it the 4 lads?   No. No.   Who do you think the band is? I'm Vin Van Landerson   has, has given us the clue. Okay. Well If I had some toffees, Van Landerson can send it to you. It ruined your teeth. But there we go. I'm forwarding it to you, Paul.   What are you what are you sending to me? The 4 lads.  

I don't The version I found. I I found the version. What Patrick just sent to me.  

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Yeah.  

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I honestly No. No. It's not the 4 lads. Okay. It's not. Alright. So it might be great what you found, but that's not what I'm going to play in about 5 minutes time.   So Okay. There we go. It's it's really good. I've got it here. Anyway, I just found the song. Got it. It'll sound this is gonna be good. So it won't be 432. We can't put Paul to work right in the middle of the show. Maybe what we should do is do an album of the show later on at the end of the year. The, you know, the Greatest Hits of the Paul English shows. The 432 b mix, Greatest Hits throughout the year. And we'll start doing it. We can sell it for 6 months, and then we can get settled,  

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by somebody. Oh, yeah. That'll put us on the radar right quick. Yeah. Let's do that.  

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Yeah.   That that,   anyway, the Hudson book, I'm very keen.   I'm very I can't wait to start reading it. The problem is, I've mentioned this before, when I start reading,   I start buying more and more books because of the footnotes.   I just ordered one today on,   the peasant's revolt of 1381 because I needed a more detailed stuff. I've got some information on that actually or a little poem about that to read or parts of it later on in the show. Actually, it's a fantastic thing.   And   so I I buy one thing. I don't know if you do this, but I buy one thing. I see a footnote. There's a bit in it. It sparks an idea off. I go and check another Yeah. I do that too. Dear. It's terrible. Yeah. I'm just tripping over books all over the place that I can't get read. I've got bookmarks in them all over. Me too. Yeah. I've I've got bookmarks all over and then it's just like I pick up one and then I'll pick up another and it's it's like you you become ADD  

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after a while. Yeah. It's hard it's hard to concentrate.  

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It is.   It is. It's like overwhelm. It's being, you know, totally over I wanna read a bit more out this little Hudson blurb. I put the link, by the way.   Anybody wants to see it, I put the link in the chat over at Rumbledon. It Rumbledon.   It's like Wimbledon. We need more readers. We need more people reading. You know, many hands make light work, and then you can just catch get people up to speed real quick if you know it. Yeah. Absolutely. That we're we're not talking to your audience right now. Don't go off and start reading things now. We don't want that. We want you to stay here. Read afterwards.   But the lot there's a bit more that's worth reading out from this blurb. Seriously,  

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the big It's like doctor Johnson in his dictionary.   He's got all these other people looking up the word definitions for him and then compiling them all together. We need structure like that, like a university.  

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Hey,   That's a good idea.   Somebody should do that one day. That would be quite good.   How about this? He writes, the big economic question is and has always been,   what will happen if debts cannot be paid?   Will there be a debt write down in favor of debtors as has been done for large corporations?   Oh, yeah. They get that. Don't they?   Or will creditors be allowed to foreclose   as is always done on personal debtors and mortgage holders,   leading to their political takeover   leading to their political takeover of the assets of the economy   and the government's public sector.  

Good question, Michael. Yes. So let's see. The banks get bailed out, but we don't.   I know I'm only   preaching to the converted and singing to the choir, but it's quite fun, isn't it, every now and again. So the the banks, they get bailed out, but we doubt. That seems to be the way it works. Is that right?   Yes.   He says and he goes on. He says, the problem of debt backlogs, this won't be new to anybody,   was created with the invention of interest bearing loans,   I e, usurious loans, I e, the arrival of the usury industry.   In agrarian,   3rd millennium BC, Mesopotamia I knew it was the bloody Mesopotamians. They've got a lot to answer for. Are they still around?  

The remedy of record, he says here, was the royal   Clean State Proclamation   or Jubilee Year of Debt Forgiveness. And   they had 3 these Jubilee years had 3 functions.   They restored and we want all of these things. Right? So you see, it's completely relevant. And I haven't even read them yet, and I know we want them. 1, they restored financial balance by annulling the backlog of crop debts that had accrued.   2,   they liberated indebted bond servants. That's you and me, everyone. Okay? And their families. And 3, they restored land tenure rights,   enabling debtors to continue living productively on the land, pay taxes,   and be available for military service and corvee labor. What does corvee mean? Anybody know what that means? I don't know what it means.  

C o r   v e with an accent over e. What's cor v or cor vay?  

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Move?   It'd be my guest to move labor from one place to another.  

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Mobile labor. Alright. Maybe it does. That's a guess. Yeah. No. Maybe you're right.   Anyway, it looks like a a cracking sort of thing does that.   And,   if he's got stuff on I mean, I've come across a podcast about, a history podcast on Byzantium. It's excellent. Really good. I was out for a walk the other day   listening to it. Some English guy,   tremendous   tremendously well researched and put together   because, you know, why is it not taught? Ezra Pound, who,   whose face should actually go on the pound. And if you think it's a bit odd an American should go on a British pound, no. It's not because he spent a lot of time in England, and he he he understood absolutely the nature of the banking system better than anybody because he's the guy that basically charged,   Mullins to go off and do the whole book, the first real big book on the Federal Reserve.  

But it was through pound that this Byzantium   policy,   was discovered.   That's what I know. Maybe somebody else found it. But but Pound found that they barred   aliens   from occupying any positions of power in government, banking, education, and the law.   And that's that's why he suggested it lasted   1200 years or whatever it is. And I think that there's probably a great deal to   do with it. In other words, the Byzantiums are basically a living example that diversity is not anybody's strength. It's a complete menace to everybody. And   stability   is based on a complete lack of diversity,   which is what we're all very interested in. There was also a  

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symbiotic relationship between church and state   as well   that existed in the Byzantine Empire.   That doesn't exist anymore   and hasn't since really the, like, the Bourbon Monarch had its head chopped off.   It it's  

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it's not I mean, maybe it doesn't some heretical way. When did the Bourbon Monarch get his head chopped off? Do you know when that was? French revolution. It was 18/18/93  

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or somewhere around there. Yeah. Yeah. Some sometime around there. It's interesting that you're mentioning  

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it's interesting you're that you're mentioning the French   because corveeing   is French.   It's a form of unpaid forced labor that is intermittent in nature, lasting for a limited period of periods of time. Typically, only a certain number of days work each year,   where statute labor is a corvee imposed by a state for the purposes of public works.   As such, it represents a form of levy or taxation.   Unlike other forms of levy such as tie, the corvee does not require   the population to have land,   crops, or cash.   The obligation for tenant farmers to perform corvee work for landlords on private landed   estates was widespread throughout history before the industrial revolution.  

The term most typically used in reference to medieval   and early modern Europe, where work was often expected by a feudal   landowner   of their vessels   or by a monarch of their subjects.  

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Wow.   Can you read that again? No. I don't think right now. That was really good. Where'd you read that from? Was that, like, Black's Law? From, Paul?  

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Wikipedia.   Oh,  

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boy. Well, there's a short drinking with a grain of salt. So Avatarin has put a little shorter version here.  

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Unpaid forced labor that is intermittent in nature. So you have to go back do it every now and again, I suppose, lasting for limited periods of time. Typically, only a certain number of days work each year.   Statute labor is a or   imposed.   Wow. Unpaid   and forced. Would that be like conscription?  

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in military, it says? I guess it is. Maybe put in No. They pay you when they're in the military, though. They do pay you. Yeah. They do pay you. Yeah. But you might die.   Yeah. Probably not what it's worth. They have pittance and what it's worth just to keep you. You might die. Okay. We just we just come past the halfway mark here. So I'm gonna play I'm gonna play this song and then you can guess the name of the band afterwards. You'll probably guess it halfway through.   You're here listening to Paul English Live on WBN 324.   We're halfway through. I'm here with Paul. Yeah. Another one. Very confusing.  

And Patrick. So everybody in here is just it's the 3 p's at the moment. There we go. Let's have a song,   and we'll join you. We'll be back in about 3 or 4 minutes. Here we go.   Except, of course,   oh, there we go.   You hit the wrong button. No. I didn't. It's coming. Can you hear it coming?  

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There it is.  

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Even old New York   was once New Amsterdam.   Why they change it I can't say. People just like it better that way. Don't take me back to Constantinople. No. You can't go back to Constantinople.   Ben, along, gone, gone. Constantinople,  

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why did Constantinople   get the worse? That's nobody's  

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better that way. It's done, Vol, Wisconsin, to Noble. Now it's just done, Vol, the Constant, to Noble, but a long time gone. The Constant, to Noble, why did Constant, to Noble get the works? Let's go, bud. This is about the Turks.   So take me back to Constantinople. No. You can't go back to Constantinople. Been a long time gone. Constantinople. Why did Constantinople  

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And welcome back to part 2. I'm here with,   Patrick and Paul. So Paul, Patrick, Paul, welcome back. And the song. There you go. What was the name of the band?  

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They Might Be Giants.  

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They might be.   Absolutely.   Yes. 10 points. Toffees to you too as well. Thanks very much for throwing that in. I was so glad. I used to listen to that loads. I don't know what year it is. It used to just come up a lot. A friend's house used to play it non stop.   And, someone wrote the music. It's funny. It is. But it's very apt, considering that we were talking about Constantinople. So there you go. We're nothing if not It was written in 1953.  

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It was the 500th anniversary of the fall of Constantinople.   Was it? It's written by Jimmy Kennedy.   Yeah.   And the 4 lads, they were the first to do it to perform  

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it. Yeah. So So I don't don't have a listen to that on you when you can. No. We might Oh, is is that the one that Paul sent over? Have you sent over the 4 lads version? Okay. Yeah. Look, we'll do that later. Maybe it's just Istanbul night. I'll have to retitle the show or something. We've all gone carried and crazy crazy and carried away.   So,   wonderful. Actually, there's a question in here a little bit earlier,   from Night and Day. Said,   to the best of your knowledge, this is to all of us. Right? How far back in years can we go with recorded evidence of debt forgiveness if such a thing really exists?  

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Hammurabi.   I think he makes the case that Hammurabi did.  

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Yeah.   What we're talking there? 6, 700 BC?  

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Or is it more recent than that? Yeah. Court of Hammurabi?  

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Yeah.   It'll be interesting to see it.   It will be interesting to check it out. It'd be,  

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7   1,755   BC.   Oh. Yeah. Quite a quite a ways ago away almost 4000  

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years ago. We're gonna have to work hard on this one, lads. Now, does everybody remember the Jubilee?  

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Yeah. Wasn't that what the Jubilee was all about? Yeah.  

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It was.  

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Yeah. Yeah. I I'm really They're around forever. It's just they forgot about it. They forgot about it because they were so greedy. They didn't wanna forgive anybody's debts. They just oh, well,   you know, the monetary the the global monetary system is gonna melt down eventually anyways. Why not why not we make them a bunch of shekels in the meanwhile? Yeah.  

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I'm just saying. You're so cynical, Paul. I mean, you know, maybe it was just a, an honest mistake that they made and, you know, they were just I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. Who's gonna pay the creditors?  

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You know, have you said this Well, usually there were wars to to settle the debt too, you know. If they didn't wanna do it then they'd have a big old war. And, and then finally someone would have would have to beg for mercy   and they'd have to have mercy on them.   But modern wars are kind of mercy lists. It's not something that you really talk about. It's easy just to ignore them cause they're distant. Usually they're not here anymore. You know? World War 2 is the last time   any of us really had to deal with it in our cultures.  

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I know Well, then   they used,   fictional   they used fictional paper,   these, dead instruments,   promissory notes.   Mhmm. And I I had a question in, in another conference from earlier today. I had a question. You know, if if   the government is so bad   and and they want   they don't want us to have energy independence,   Why do they subsidize   people putting solar arrays and off grid   power systems in their homes?   Well, they don't subsidize it, first of all, because you've got an agreement that you sign when you purchase a solar system for your house.   And your signature   on that,   which is essentially a promissory note, gets monetized   and   and the government pays for your solar system using the very paper you created. They didn't put anything into it, And then they give   you 25%   on the dollar or 50¢ on the dollar as a payback   on this solar system that you got so you would be grid inter independent.  

But then the system is set up grid tied,   so it gets its pilot signal from the grid. So if the grid goes down, so does your solar system.   You've got fully charged batteries. You've got boogoo solar panels on the roof, but yet you have no power because the grid isn't there. They shut you off. It   they do   they do nothing for you. They give you nothing.   You enable them   to make money. And what did they do? They took 20 or $25,000   that you created, and they put it back into the economy and bolstered the economy. They put a few people to work. They made some tax tax money.   The whole thing is just way too crazy.  



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You seem a bit cynical about government, Paul. I'm a bit shocked,   frankly.   I'm sorry. Well, I know I know as a Catholic  

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on Thursdays.  

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As a as a Catholic, I learned about the jubilee jubilee year.   The most recent one in the church was,   during the the millennium transition from 99 to 2000.   Was it? I remember they have a special ceremony they do where   certain churches, cathedral churches, they have a a door called the jubilee door where they open that only during the jubilee every 50 years.   Yeah. And it's a special ceremony. It it goes back,   you know, for as long as the church has been around.   So I'm I'm picking up some background audio noise. It's Paul's having a party in his flat. Is that a party point? What's going on? He's having a party.  

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Maybe that was,   I'm I didn't know that at all, Patrick. That's really Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I  

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was in Rome. I was in Rome actually at Saint Peter's during the whole jubilee where they were opening the the doors to the to the cathedrals   and basilicas.   And they would   yeah. They have a special door. You go to Italy I and most most any cathedral Catholic cathedral, they'll have a special door you usually,   and they'll they'll keep it closed except during that jubilee year that they'll open it.   And then once the jubilee year is done, they close it.   And I I wonder what that has, you know, what the sim you know, what   what the history of that is actually,   like, going back to say medieval times, feudal times,   Byzantine times. What what the significance   of that would be?  

Like, did they keep stock or or how how did that work? But Mhmm. Yeah. That was the last one.   And then shortly after that, that's when we had the whole September 11th thing, 2001,   which was the year after that, which, you know, might have been   the powers that be saying, nope. We don't wanna have a jubilee.   And here's what we'll do to you if you don't pay up.  

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This,   you know, this permanent   conflict, as it were, between   the rulers and the ruled,   it's   human nature never changes, does it? It's quite   this aspect of it doesn't. They become ensconced in a worldview that we cannot.   It's it's not possible for us to shake that worldview out of their heads. I'm talking about the rulers here.   The the it seems to come in cycles. I mean, all of this high-tech CBDC stuff that we've, you know, that we'll continue to talk about because it's obviously gonna be a theme for several years yet until they've,   hopefully not got us under the cosh with it. But it's about creating,   you've all heard this as well, sort of high-tech neofeudalism.  

That's really what they're seeking to recreate. Is it not? What do you think?  

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It's kind of an intransigence   of not wanting to bend. You know? You you pay us what what you owe us, and we're not gonna   give you any sort of slack, you know. You're our servant. You're our it's that mentality of enslaving people because you deserve   their labor,   you know. They're   Yeah.   They're they're not in control. You're the hub, you know, that's the group. The group the bankers that are in control are kind of the hub   and everybody else is a node in the hub, you know, being controlled by the hub.   It's it's just   2 different systems, 2 different, you know, so to speak, races   going on. Like, the literal word for the for race is you you have a goal that you're trying to achieve and it's a competition to see who gets there first.  

But if you don't have the same goal, then you're running a different race.   And I think that's what's going on. You have you   have one group here   Mhmm. Running running their race and the other running their race, and   they try to confuse matters by getting you to believe that, hey, you're playing by our game rules. You hear hear, you know, when we should be having our own   race.  

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Yes. Well, we should.   And I think actually conversations like this and what's been going on over the past few years is part of that process of us   rediscovering   that we do have our own path, and we have to get back on it because there's no way we can get them to change the path down which they seek to go and and drag us to.   I mean, there's no   they're not going to change.   Like I said, you know, I'm I'm very keen to get hold of this book by Michael Hudson. And I'm and it will be very useful to me and it will energize me, I'm pretty sure, just having read the blurb. And to get to grips with some of these things, which I currently don't know, I love it when I come across stuff that I'm not aware of, and there's a lot of that.   So that's gonna be helpful. Yet, the proviso that I have ringing also in the back of my head is is that very point that   there have been and there currently exist in the world systems of reorganizing   the economy,   which from our point of view, from our race,   as it were, the race that we want to run   up our way, way better than this system that we are encumbered with, that we are compelled to use because of their control of courts,   their   centuries, if not millennia old,   you know, deceptions that they've written to the law to get people confused.  

The idea of being born almost as a bondservant. I know that this is what Roger,   who has been suffering the power outages that Paul was referring to. That's what he's talking about, and he's right to talk about it because it's correct to look at that.   I mentioned,   I read a bit of I read that poem out by Kipling. I've got I'm not gonna read the whole of this out. This is huge. If I read this   out, maybe I should record it even though there's an English guy has recorded it. And I've mentioned it here on the show before.   It's called The Red Dagger by Heathcote Williams.  

And, this also taps into this book I'm about to receive about the peasant's revolt, because that's really what this poem is about. But I'm just gonna read a couple, 2 or 3 verses from it, just to give you a feel for it, because it's relevant   to what we're talking about. It's also really rather wonderful as well.   Here we go. It just he he begins as as follows.   London's   symbol   for the hub of global finance in the city,   shown on the city's flag to convey heraldic grandeur,   comes from a blood soaked dagger that killed the rebel Wat Tyler.   For Tyler had challenged London on behalf of the poor.  

The dagger survives and is on display in fishmongers   hall, in the city's secretive   mini state within a state. And   like a trophy, its red silhouette is on the city's coat of arms, as if Tyler's murder was something to celebrate.   But the 100,000   marching on London in 13/81   were serfs objecting to being kept as virtual slaves   by the feudal equivalent of corporate power,   whereby people were caught and taxed to death just for being alive.   A 100,000 of those on whose exploitation the wealth of feudal society depended,   from plowmen to carpenters to cowmen to sheep shearers, trapped by a bondage that only death   ended.  

So their spokesman, Watt Tyler, demanded equality.   All men should be free and of one condition.   We will be free forever, our heirs and our lands. But instead of sympathy,   he aroused   suspicion.   What Tyler would rock England's power elite to the core   through his opposition to the statute of laborers?   A law which kept free born Englishmen tied to landlords   whom Tyler exposed   as procurers   and plunderers.   And I could go on because I think it's really rather one of the most marvelous things I've ever read actually,   but it's,   that gives you a flavor   and I've I've said that what we actually one of the things I've thought about for now is that we are in need of Peasants Revolt 2.0,   and we're all What Tyler now,   or we need to become What Tyler,   because as you know, it's an astonishing fight back,   and   the rest of this the poem is kind of a prose poem in a way, isn't it? Goes through   what he and these so this is serious times 13/81.  

And, Paul, you remember last week I was talking about that book, Who Owns England?   By Guy Shrubsole.   He there's a section in there where there was an event happened in 13/77,   I think. It's about 4 years before the Peasants Revolt,   which was instrumental in kicking this off because they'd had the Black Death,   and there were only about half the amount of men or laborers in England to work the same bits of land. And they were being basically worked to death.   It's   and that attitude,   even though the forms different, that attitude   between the owners and the owned because that's how they view it,   has not died regrettably.  

And we're we're kind of living in all the turmoil of that to this day. Right now, these very times are sort of, you know, redolent with it.  

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Right.   I do believe that I found that. I I think that I found that last week. I'm I went and got it.  

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What? The red dagger?   No. Who owns England? Alright. You got a   Oh, you mean the the one by John Bateman? The one in archives.   Yes?  

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Yes.   But there's also   I'm I'm looking.   I'm digging around. I'm still trying to find the red dagger.   Well, this is I don't know. My they this is what I do. Yeah. You talk about cool stuff, and I just see you're feverishly typing on my keyboard with my mic muted. So Do you you know, I'm taking for all this stuff. No. That's cool. That's great, Paul. If that it that it's fantastic.  

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I mean, there are there are things later on in this prose poem.   I'm trying to just find a section where it's taught   the landowners.   Of course, he's going to express it way better than I am because it's it's a thoughtful expression. I wish I could find it.   Yeah. They basically, it started at fobbing,   right, in Essex. So shout out to you there, Eric. In your neck of the woods, it all kicked off at fobbing. And there's a phrase in English now. Basically, they were sending out tax collectors   to,   what did he use this thing? To find out about their impudent lack of respect or something for the taxes.   What's going on with all the plebs, basically? So they send all these thugs out. They get their ass kicked.  

And, this happened in a town, a little village called Fobbing. And in the English language over here, fobbing someone off   is to put off payment. If if they're fobbed off. And it's come to mean a lot more than just that now. But, yeah. Always fobbing you off means, you know, he's telling you a porky pie, a   lie, to delay the payment or or whatever, you know. It says here, in the village of Fobbing, the tax collector was met by the inhabitants brandishing   long bows and axes.   The people of Fobbing would only pay him with arrows, instead of their coins of the realm for royal taxes.   It's quite a thing. There's a thing as well called a muniments room in all these castles, which they would go to, which kept all the deeds of their enslavement   in the muniments room, and they would get and burn these things.  

This is I mean, it's a 100 the population of England at the time is about 3,000,000.   So a 100,000   is a lot. It's huge.   It's absolutely enormous. I mean, of course, everybody was working on the land unless you were a lord this, that, and the other.   But it's,   it's such a vivid account of something,   and I'm hoping to, you know, I've got, as I said, I've got something else on the way to read it in in sort of long form version and to really get to grips with it. Marxists and communists have jumped all over this saying, you know, blow it up. Well, of course, it's complete rot. It's got nothing to do with that. We're not interested in your nonsense.   It's to do with peasants basically being abused in such a way. So,  

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Well, a lot of that gets passed off as communism too to a certain extent. Yes. And by the west, you know, by these   by the bankers here, they they like to use that term communism to go after their enemies because it's been demonized so so much. So Absolutely. So usefully.   Yes. Just like in Latin America. They are communists.   Yeah. Well, true. Yeah.   It's but it's a yeah. It's a in wizard wizard of Oz, don't pay attention to the man behind the curtain. You know, they put up the curtain of of Right.   Capitalism   to hide their communism. It's classic narcissism.  



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Demonize that which they are guilty of and then accuse somebody else of it. Mhmm. Narcissism.  

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Yep.  

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Oh, and the warehouse receipt, the birth certificate,   they do that in America too.   But,   when   the certificate of live birth when the birth is registered by the hospital,   that   generates the birth certificate, which is used as a warehouse receipt,   and that warehouse receipt gets stored in a safe under 247   armed guards.   It's exactly the same thing. I mean, the And that's the system of old.  

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That's that's a system that supplanted the church which used to baptize   infants into the church and then you would thus become a member of the church.   Right. Whereas nowadays Property of the church. Well, yeah, in a sense, property of God, you know, returning to God's   dominion.   But,   yeah, in in a way, they've perverted that and secularized it, whatever you wanna call it,   and made it into birth certificates and the it's the whole   medical industry,   military complex of just getting everybody into the system   that alienates us from our   our god given rights and our god given Yes. Freedom.  



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Yeah.   Very much. I mean, this is not a new battle. Right. Obviously, it's not a new battle. It's biblical,   which I've always said and which anybody can say. And if you say that, you're speaking the truth because it is. It's ancient, is this. There's a there's a few books on this,   Red Dagger page. There's a few books that it takes some quotes from before the prose poem begins. These are worth reading, actually. Now the book this is from Alastair Dunn, The Peasants Revolt. This is the book I've just ordered the earlier today, actually. So that should be fun. He writes, what Tyler? John Ball. Now John Ball is the mendicant priest. What a guy. I mean, I probably need to we might keep going back to this. John Ball, b a double l.   He was a priest. He was kicked out of every single church and the people loved him. And he would preach wherever he was stood and gather a crowd almost instantaneously.  

They all met a very bad end, these people, because of this. But so it shows you their ferocious courage which was considerable.   But he writes Don Don's little quote is,   what Tyler, John Ball, and the leaders of the County Risings   were the first ordinary men in the British Isles to mount a credible attack on the political and economic structures of their day.   It's a major event because it really is a genuine,   There aren't many, in recent times, genuine uprisings of people. They're all being orchestrated by the  

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lords. Now this is the peasant revolt? When when was this? This was at the protestant?  

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1381.   13?   1381.   Yeah. Oh, okay. Long time back. Yeah. It was after the black it was after the black death.   So he said, attack on the political and economic structures of their day. The rebels of 13/81   succeeded   in giving a voice to those who had hitherto lacked any means   of expressing their common political grievances.   We've got the means of expressing them courtesy of this technology, but now we are systematically not listened to,   whilst they pretend to listen to us. There is no dialogue taking place.   So that was that. Then there's another one from,   a book called The Conquest of Bread   by Peter Kropotkin. Now this must be old from the writing style, but I won't mind getting a copy of this. It says,   weary shame on the feudal baron who forbade the peasant   to turn a clot of earth unless he surrendered to his lord a fourth of his crop.  

We call those the barbarous times. But if the forms have changed, the relations have remained the same, and the worker is forced under the name of free contract under the name of, it's not actually Right? Under the name of free contract,   to accept feudal obligations.   For, turn where he will, he can find no better conditions.   Everything has become private property, and he must accept or die of hunger. That's interesting. And here's one from Tolstoy, Leo Tolstoy, the guy that wrote War and Peace.   Obviously, not relevant to this, but this is it is relevant, but not specifically first and very brief. At the foundation of every great fortune lies a great crime. And under this quote in brackets, it says referring to the ownership of common land as robbery.   So   this thing about the land and the commons and and land in common,   I think I might have mentioned last week   that forest the word forest, we think of it, obviously I could be wrong about this. But, certainly, the implication from the book was   that the word forest, we think of it, obviously, as this large gathering of trees and shrubs and so so on and so forth because that's what it is. The woods? Yeah. The woods. The large woods.  

But when William the Conqueror came here, he was very keen on hunting wild boar, and forest became the word for these private estates that the king seized so he could hunt boar with his pals. This went on for 100 of years, of course.   In fact, the last wild boar was killed in England sometime in the 1700, Patrick. So there's no wild boar killing for you, I'm afraid to do it.   You couldn't you couldn't do that over here. So, they lasted longer than I would have thought. But that's how they began to seize all the land.   And   common commoners   who had been farming the commons, if they were found on this land would be killed. They'd be hung.  

That's how much they thought of people.   This is like 2 different species. It is 2 different races.   There's a lack of consideration and care. These are supposedly Christian kings.   I think not.  

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It was after the Magna Carta that took place then. And it, so it's kind of maybe a way to haul back on the the crown made from the Magna Carta?  

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I don't I wouldn't know. I've got to read a lot more about it, but it's it's a it's an amazing piece of period of history. Again, not taught much, if if at all now. I suppose not taught at   all in schools.   And yet,   I'm not aware of a genuine people's uprising like this. I mean, they've got to be them. There there have been them. But in English history,   this is real. This really happened on the ground. People just got hacked off. And, of course, you look at the situation.   They're not being monitored by telephone calls and mobile phones or anything like that.   They're all strong.  

Those that were alive would have been strong. They're workers on the land. They would have had physical fortitude of a type that they don't have. Right? They would have been wiry. They might not have been 6 foot 4. They might have been 5 foot 4, but they had it's not the size of dog. It's the amount of, you know, it's not the size of the dog in the fight. It's the amount of fight in the dog, and they would have had a lot in them. And, there's some great there's a wonderful heroine as well in it called Joanna Feroar,   who was an archer ladies.  

And, she shot these tax collectors death to death with a bow and arrow. It's just fantastic. And I'm going,   hey, this seems so healthy. What a great way to express yourself  

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and get back at them. It's it's quite a it's quite a thing. It's an amazing story. Reminds me of what Michael Hudson talks about was happening in Latin America as a consequence of their World Bank loans that they were granted. They would basically get into debt, into usury debt of 40% or greater loans that would be paid to the rich in the country   and to Wall Street.   Yeah. And you as a consequence, they would constantly have to export the goods that they created and then buy dollars,   US dollars, in exchange for buying bread,   or corn corn or wheat from America, from North America. Yes. From the US   farmers.  

And   there were ways that there were the Catholic church was getting around it and it it was demonized by the CIA as this thing called Liberation   Theology,   where essentially it was demonizing what the church was doing down there with the missionaries and and the priests and nuns,   where they were going to the farmers and they were saying, hey, farmers, trade amongst yourselves. You don't need to deal with these u the US dollars and plant wheat, plant corn. Here's how you do it. Here's how you you start a farm and and keep it going. Yeah. And the CIA   and the US military didn't like that so they would send military   guys down there to start wars, guerrilla warfare amongst them, and just go and kill these priests and nuns.  

And there was one martyr,   Oscar Romero,   which Mhmm. You know, it was now Saint Oscar Romero, but he he,   yeah, they were basically saying, hey. You're gonna starve to death under these conditions. You need to farm for yourselves and create a barter.   And they were doing this, but they were also getting these guerrillas   hired by the CIA to go down there.   They'd have assassination   squads going to the farms   and killing farmers   and and these priests and and   nuns that were teaching them how to do   it. You know, how to how to have a sustainable,   economy without using the US dollar.  



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Well, that's the direction that we got to move in. Don't you think? I, I meet up with people. I've mentioned it here before. Yeah. In in real life I feel at the pub every couple of weeks. We went to a different pub this week. It was great. I had a pretty good steak. Anyway,   I,   it's like,   a little mini farm market slowly growing. I pick up my eggs there. I got 3 dozen eggs, which come direct from a farm, and we have to reconnect with all the farms. We've got to do that. What you've just outlined is exactly one of the things that we've got to start including in our behavior and building it back up again because because I don't see what else we're going to do. And I want to go direct to the farms, and the union between the consumer and the farmer direct, cutting out the middleman,   will do so much because it creates these community spaces in which the communication has to take place. So you're meeting up with people of like mind and creating solidarity in a sense of encouragement, literally.  



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And and you'll have better digestion.  

[01:33:42] Unknown:

Yes. And better eggs. Too. And better eggs. Everything's going to be better.   So I've been instructed not to throw away my egg cartons, which I don't now, because they're going back to this farm because the one thing they can't produce is egg cartons. So they're gonna have them for, you know, shifting more eggs to people as the circuit builds up. And it's wonderful. It makes me feel good.   And they're no more expensive than in the supermarket. In fact, the prices that they're doing the supermarket the the egg producers are getting practically nothing, and yet the supermarkets are still keeping the prices up at that level. These things,   these little nibble actions,   even if you may think that they're not gonna produce too much in the short term, although you never can tell with stuff like this, I think they're very good for you as an individual. They encourage you. They do me.  

They do me very much. I've just come across, Patrick, another 6 verses here from this poem, and I wanna read them because they're so good. It's it's still tapping into this thing.   This is jumping ahead a bit. It says and I've mentioned a couple of these things in the last 10 minutes, but it's worth just reading them as they were laid down in the poem. He says,   since the black death,   so that's pre 13 81,   the population had been halved, and so the workforce began deserting its feudal cage.   But an upper and middle class parliament felt threatened   by their agricultural   slaves demanding a living wage.  

The peasants or villanes, which, you know, people that live in villages, villanes.   This cruel statute declared,   do menace their lords in life and member,   and gather themselves in great routes, and agree by such confederacy   that one should aid the other. Oh, that's us then.   I agree.   I agree by such confederacy that we should aid one another by going direct to the farms, for example.   Therefore, it goes on, laborers were forbidden to withdraw their labor   or even to discuss their conditions.   Combining together to ask for better wages was now illegal.   And if you escaped your feudal lord, you faced prison.  

In his poem, Piers Plowman, the poet William Langland   depicted life for manual workers who were landless.   They cursed the king and all the king's justices   for making laws to grieve laborers.   They'd no rest.   On May 30th 13 81, an insurrection was kindled in Brentwood. This is where it kicked off then. Not fobbing, but fobbing is part of it, I think. May 30th 13 81. Oh, it'd be May 30th soon, won't   it? Essex villages were refusing to make poll tax returns,   So Royal poll tax commissioners backed by soldiers were sent to inquire   after their subjects impudent lack of concern.  

I love that line. It's fantastic.   The unexpected result was that Royal Clarkson soldiers were ejected from half a dozen villages as hundreds of poll tax defaulters bonded together to fight what they regarded as state sanctioned pillage.   England's villages were tired of working morning till night for the benefit of the lord of the manor, unable to buy or sell, move or marry, or grind their own corn without fines and fees and permission from   the master.   Yeah.   So it's, it's quite a bit The Malevolent Master. The Malevolent Masters.   Yes.  

And Tyler must have had the courage of a lion because there's a bit later on where he's actually meets with the king and he's just completely not phased by the king.   Much to the chagrin of the mayor of London, who was absolutely seething and coming out of his mind with it, apparently.   Because it's so And also a place oh, go ahead. No. It's just so impudent. By by the way, the mayor of London was running a brothel in, the House of Parliament, just to let you know, at the time. Wait.   This is still the peasant revolt you're talking about? Yeah. This is still the peasant's revolt. Or wherever the meeting place was for parliament at the time, he was running a bat, a brothel.   Yeah. I don't know whether this is in the poem or not.  

But,   yeah, these are wretched people. They really are.  

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Well, and it seems like the church has also had a less less important   role as time's gone on, but it used to be that they would have holy days   where you would have time off to to celebrate a feast day or to celebrate some martyr's day,   and you would have time off of work. Either people worked   less   hours and and had more time of leisure and and time for devotion.   Yes. That's, that's where I assume we get the the word holiday, which is holy   day, without I instead of   a a y.   Or or so it's   it's it's something that   we we lack today. Like, I as if you're working for the government or you're working for just any anyone here as an employer, you get very few   actual holidays   Yes. Of paid time off or time to just go off and,   have have leisure time to do your household work or whatever it   might be. Even to this day, it's becoming less and less important. It's and you're you're working more and more hours and making less and less money as a consequence too   because you don't know how to use leisure time   to put yourself in a better position.  



[01:38:55] Unknown:

Yes.  

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And that's what's lacking. We're all men of action, but not leisure. And they need like Aristotle said, you need that priestly class It's just dependent on the leisure so they can understand how things work   so you're not wasting your effort when you're working.   Yes. And most people, they don't even get to think about it. They're just little drones in a factory somewhere doing the same thing over and over again without   knowing what they're doing.   And, yeah, you can be like a Henry Ford and have an assembly line and everybody   has a has a purpose, but   you need a bigger grasp of what   the totality is   in order to appreciate your work. And  

[01:39:36] Unknown:

I think that's missing. It needs to be found again. It is. Although in defense of Ford, he did design his his factories so that his workers could actually buy one of the cars that they made.   Didn't he?   So I get I mean, this is all part of the process. I'm not I'm not for mass production of things, but that was the period that they went through at that particular time, obviously. But everything you said the idea of digestion time,   an idea of leisure time   to digest ideas and to consider them more fully and to not be rushed. I mean, you know, I was saying earlier this thing about like ADHD about buying books and stuff. It is a bit mad.   And of course, when you look at some of the technology that we've got in our hands on the phone, like Telegram in particular, it's just a flood of stuff and it's very it's very difficult at times for me to wanna pull it because most of it is so relevant. There's so many articulate people pulling good things up. But it just   it does consume time and take away from thoughtful pipe smoking time in the garden. You know, those sorts of moments, most people don't have them anymore. They don't seem to exist, do they?  

And you mentioning about   this hecticness with the economy,   I'm gonna another thing that I've said before, we'll keep saying these things again.   If we go back   to when I was, you know, in the fifties sixties in the UK, it would definitely been the case in the States.   The man, the husband could go out and work,   and the woman could raise the children at home.   And they lived well.   They didn't have too much debt because they were allowed to get debt. There were no credit   cards. The, the food was direct much more direct from the local farms. It was where I grew up. It would come into local butchers and greengrocers. It was only a few miles away. My dad knew where the farms were, where the food was coming from because he was in the food industry to some degree.   And and all these things just added up to make things simpler, more direct, and you had a much stronger bonding   of a local community because of all these factors, which have all been systematically broken down   to be replaced by centralized,   systemized control, which is dull as ditch water. It's what they want   because they're running around, I guess, in fear of us or something. Also, maybe they're not. Maybe they don't have fear at all. They just want us to think that.  

But,   there's definitely  

[01:41:52] Unknown:

a parting of the ways. We've got I I think they fear yeah. I think they do fear fear the the common man   Mhmm. That if he if he did understand what he's has been done to him, he would rise up against it.   And it's just   the and and the man's work would be close to home. He wouldn't be commuting 3 hours away, 2 hours away to some No. City   in order to make a a living to support both him and his wife without the wife having to go to work.   Because that that's another thing is this idea that you have to go far away from your home in order to make Yeah. A decent wage   Mhmm. Is ridiculous as well. It is. And it and it breaks families up. Same with the education system.  

The government schools   are basically raising your children as orphans.   Mhmm. You you give them up as orphans to the state to run them   and to indoctrinate them with false doctrine   Yeah. That does is not conducive to a family life, and then they end up doing radical things to themselves. They go off to the university and   learn Marxism and   all the other stuff that goes with it,   the the cultural crap.   And,  

[01:43:07] Unknown:

yeah, that's not just different for the parents.   Excuse me. I'm sorry. It wasn't just different from for the parents. It was different for the children as well.   Because in the twenties and the thirties and the forties,   how many   people listening to this program are remember the Meccano Magazine,   m   e c c a n o Magazine?   McConnell  

[01:43:33] Unknown:

Magazine. Yeah. We we say McConnell over here, but Meccano. Right? Okay. Okay. I don't know what we're talking about. Yeah. Okay.  

[01:43:41] Unknown:

Right. The twenties, the thirties, the forties,   wait. That was a magazine for construction projects and   and toys for kids.   Yeah. Okay? And children, you know, not baby goats.   Children.   Yeah. And in there,   they had the original erector set.   It taught,   taught young,   lads and and girls engineering   and and construct and structures.   They had model airplanes   that actually had to be assembled, and you knew you got it right if it flew.   You were learning   aerial technology   Yes.   Aeronautics.   The way   the children   played   was   preparing them   to enter the workplace   with a very, very marketable skill.  

Mhmm. It was playing.   Now it's Beanie Babies   and,   Candy Crush   on their phone. And and if their battery goes dead,   well, the world is coming to an end. Standby. Mommy. Mommy. Mommy. I can't play candy. Cross my charger   broke. Mommy.   I'm gonna lick my butt.  

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We gotta get you to the right side.  

[01:45:03] Unknown:

Phone.   That's very good. It's it's absolutely ridiculous. I mean, we used to teach the children how to think.   We don't teach the children how to think.   Of course, they're gonna be idiots when they make their twenties.   We certainly don't teach them anything of value in the public indoctrination. So I oh, I'm sorry. School system. Yes.  

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Well, I guess that's a lot. Lot of 180 degree turns  

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to to get back   to   I'm sorry. I'm I'm I hate it when I get on my soapbox, but No. I love it. You push my hot button. I love it. No. It's it's it's Reach a call. On there.  

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It's really it's right in there because maybe the only question they've got to ask is,   should I go to school? And the answer is no. Don't go. It's pointless. It's completely Exactly.   That but you see, if they're not intelligent enough to even ask that question, they're gonna go into that space and then they're gonna get lost because they come out without this ability to to question with a good heart. There's a there's a quality, there's a kind of   attitudinal quality in a person that's asking questions honorably. There's a way to ask questions honorably and soundly   in such a way that the answer is bound to come to you if you answer if you ask them in the right spirit. But if you look at say what passes for communication in the political sphere where they're all saying they're asking questions, they're not.  

They all know the answers. They're just set up for punch lines and all these other sort of manipulation in the communication. It's a joke. It's why they're so sort of   retarded   and yet they can't they can't see that they they lack wisdom either. They just can't because look, I'm very clever. Yeah. You're clever, but you, you are not wise.  

[01:46:49] Unknown:

So they can wear a mask and shoot up. That's that's what it that's what it teaches them. It does. Just wear your mask   6 feet apart,   put the needle in your arm.  

[01:47:00] Unknown:

Are those the lyrics to a song?  

[01:47:03] Unknown:

Yeah.   I think it's Neil Young's song, Needle in the damage done. Is that right? Yeah.   Yeah.   Mhmm.   Yep.  

[01:47:12] Unknown:

Night night and day writes here in the chat. I'm just going to read this out. It says, the art of barter will almost certainly return if the powers that be forces down the CBDC   routes. Your thoughts, guys? What do   you think? Paul?   The art of I think so.  

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Yeah. Barter and trade.  

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Yeah.  

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You know,   you're in the public.   If you're in the public, you,   you engage in commerce.   And if you're on private, you engage in trade.  

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Stop paying attention to the media, the the,   you know, the CBS   AB, the 3 letter media,   Mockingbird Media. Mhmm. Just turn that stuff off. Don't ignore it. It it just just leave it alone. You don't need that   messing with your brain and, you know, you end up contemplating the things you listen to.   So turn that off, open up a book.   Yep.   Buy a Michael Hudson book, buy any book, you know, for that matter from, you know,   people who who actually think about how to get out of this whole system of   control and mind manipulation.   What don't you find, Patrick, that  

[01:48:26] Unknown:

just conversations like this and being part of them every now and again,   I find it anyway, it provides all that bedrock of motivation   to keep ploughing on with things. It's massively important   to know that without other people, all of this is completely pointless,   which is why families are   the most important thing   because they are the most important thing. It's not even debatable. With without families and no children,   there's no point as all being clever. There's gonna be nobody around to carry anything on. It just gets crushed. And, of course, we see   nearly all of the things that we've been talking about the last 10 minutes, you know, from working and this are all designed incrementally to destroy families. Even this encouragement, you know, to move away from home. I mean, even if it wasn't for economic reasons,   certainly in the sixties seventies, it was to go to London because it's much more glamorous and interesting.  

Actually, in my case, this is true. It actually actually was.   It was where I came from at the time. But,   you you've you often don't see the the treasure on your own doorstep when you're growing up. You kind of miss it because, you know, you get bedazzled by other things, which is quite exciting and it's gonna happen. And there's something to be said of a pilgrimage,  

[01:49:37] Unknown:

you know, like you you have the famous, English   author of Chaucer and then you talked about a pilgrimage.   Mhmm. And that's a way to go see what the the world is like   and and have respect for what you're looking at. And and then come back and you'll have that much more   knowledge of how things actually work. You do. So there's, you know, that and and to have that sense of,   of,   adventure and journey, you know, go off go off and   find out what the world's like, but then come back and realize you have a family. You that care about you.   That's the thing that's that everybody's got this pressure. Oh, you gotta go and have a career. You gotta you gotta think about your education.  

It's just like   no. You you you need to have a family   support structure   because that is your bank of sorts, you know, that you can rely on it when you you reach troubled times.   And it's okay to be poor   and and not have to have the material goods   there to always satisfy your every craving   and be able   to think and have skills   that that you can build on, like farming. Farming's a perfect example.   You you learn how to raise animals. You learn how to keep   vegetation because you have to feed the animals.   Yeah. And then learn what products you can use in your day to day life. Milk and eggs,   meat. It all goes together.  

And support people who are doing the same thing you're trying to do and trade trade with them.   Because they might not might have something that you need, and you might have something they need. Learn how to think.   They don't teach   proper in these government schools, they don't want you to learn how to manage   your wealth. They want you to rely on somebody else and pay, be a debt slave to them.   Go go on to further education, further debt.  

[01:51:34] Unknown:

It's all so subtle, isn't it? But there's so many hundreds of nibbles at us.   And I guess the glue that they've used that's worked perfectly is TV, has held everything together   because it sets the tone, unbeknownst to you, for what your expectations   in life are expected to be. This is the sort of thing you should be thinking about.   And it's,   it draws people into   supposedly advanced,   education. I I mean, when I left school in 78,   by gum,   I never wanted to go to university   and I didn't.   But people aged 18,   at that time, that left English schools, whatever they were, comprehensive or grammar schools or whatever was kicking about,   only 3% of them   went on to university.  

That seems about right to me. I could probably even name that 3% in my year. There's a half a dozen guys or whatever it was, you know.   I can't remember. There's about a 120 in the years, probably half a dozen guys, maybe a dozen or something.   Few   really very very bright astonishingly bright people, you know, got in Oxford and Cambridge.   For them, you go, yeah, absolutely. You can see that they've got certain gifts mathematically or their scientific minds were exceptional.   You know, I'm   crap at certain things in you know, I think one of the first thing is to admit where you're weak and look where you might be strong and play to those strengths and so that could be your weaknesses. But now, I understand that 33%,   it might be even higher than that, go on to university. So I'm expected to believe there's been an 11 fold increase   in the sorts of people who have an intellectual aptitude   for the refined training and specific thought fields that come with universities.  

It's simply not true. I mean, it's it's been part of that's why they've got all these idiot courses, you know, whatever it is, duck hypnotizing of some stupid nonsense. I mean, you just see these sort of idiot courses that they're taking.   Half of them are always about diversity, equity, inclusion, all these other stuff. It's very, very sad. Just complete In the military,  

[01:53:40] Unknown:

it was how they differentiated officers was they had the education. They would go to the universities to pick out who would be the officers in the military here.   Mhmm. And then gradually,   as time has gone on, they got rid of the draft. And now that the main way to get draft, you know, instead of having a draft, they they have student debt.   And   that the debt collector then becomes   the military   recruiter   because it's then, well, we'll pay off your debt. Just join the military for this amount of years, and you'll get all your student debt paid off. And that's You paid it. That's been the main way of of collecting,   you know, soldiers to go fight these wars,   these unjust wars.  

And they do it with these because   they know, oh, well, they advertise you. You're not you're worthless unless you get a higher education,   and you need this. And so they get these unqualified people in there because they know, oh, this will be perfect cannon fodder for our war to go collect more debt from another country.   I know. Well And that's why here here the the   the government is the main source of student loans. You you basically pay it back to the federal government. There's only one bank   and that's Wells Fargo   that's allowed to give out student loans. Otherwise, it's all through the federal government.  

And if you don't pay back your debt, then   you're screwed.  

[01:55:06] Unknown:

So go to university,   learn some ridiculous topic that's got no practical use in the world at all and that you could do as a hobby for the rest of your life if you're so inclined.   Run up a huge debt   and then spend x number of years paying that debt off, which means that reduces your chances of being able to buy a house.   I don't know why I even said that. They're building 2 houses near me,   which are this, the same design on the same site that was built 25 years ago,   which was before we arrived here. And I was watching them put them up the other week. They these things are going to go for half a 1,000,000 quid. They're detached houses   because there's only a 4 foot gap between each house, about 4 foot. It might not even be that. This is allowed under planning permission. And the first floor is made out of brick.  

But the upper floor, which is eaves, is made out of wood. The whole thing is just wood. I was looking at this. Oh, that looks really cheap to put that up. So the the foundations and the first floor are, you know, a proper building. But the bit on top? I don't think so. And so young couples are faced with what?   Not being young couples. Is there any   are we surprised why they don't get together with a view to becoming parents and families? It's absolutely   it's completely bonkers and broken. But, of course, this is just another aspect of this systemic   destruction   by all these agents effectively   that we're having to, you know,   deal with or find ways of dealing with them. That's really what we're looking at.  

We're coming towards the end of the show. I've got this other song. I'm gonna play out with this other version of   Istanbul, not Constantinople   by The Four Lads. Okay. It's 2 minutes and 20 seconds   long. So I'm gonna have to play oh, pretty soon, actually.   We've got 2 now. Any any last little words for the show, Paul? Got anything you'd like to just wrap up with?  

[01:56:59] Unknown:

I'm gonna have to be careful not to say too much because every time I open my microphone,   one of my computers here suffers a packet storm   after my,   after my my my rant about the, solar Yeah. Subsidies.   One of my computers that   I named Studio C had 19,000   packet hits. Right.   19,000   packet hits within 3 minutes of my saying that.  

[01:57:30] Unknown:

Right. Well, I say,  

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don't lose hope. Have to be careful not to say too much.  

[01:57:35] Unknown:

Don't lose hope.  

[01:57:37] Unknown:

Thanks, Paul. I'm gonna have to be careful. Thanks, Patrick. Thank you. Thank you, Paul. Thanks, everyone in the chat. It's been brilliant. Really good free flowing thing all over the place this week. We're gonna play out with Istanbul, not Constantinople by the 4 lads. I'll be back here again same time next week. Thanks everyone in the chat. Here we go. Oh, not Constantinople.  

[01:57:54] Unknown:

Been a long time   Even all New York,   plus what's New Amsterdam?   Why they changed it, I can't say.  

[01:58:22] Unknown:

People just liked it better that way.  

[01:58:25] Unknown:

Take me back to Constantinople.   No. You can't go back to Constantinople   now. It's Istanbul.   Now   Constantinople, why did Constantinople   get the works?   That's nobody's business but the Turks.   Istanbul.   Istanbul.   Even old New York   was once New Amsterdam.   Why they changed it, I can't say.  

[01:59:24] Unknown:

I just liked it better that way.   Take me back to Constantinople.  

[01:59:30] Unknown:

No. You can't go