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Broadcasts live every Thursday at 8:00p.m. uk time on Radio Soapbox: http://radiosoapbox.com

 Thomas Anderson joins the show, sharing his journey of discovering hidden truths about history, politics, and health. He talks about his books, which serve as comprehensive summaries of alternative viewpoints and discusses the challenges of publishing controversial material in Germany. The episode wraps up with a discussion on the current state of farming protests in Germany and the potential hidden agendas behind them.

Join Paul and Thomas for an insightful and thought-provoking episode that challenges mainstream narratives and encourages deeper inquiry into the world around us.

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That ended suddenly, didn't it? Just like the show starts quite   quickly. Hello. It is Tuesday the and it's not. Look at that. It's Thursday again,   the 14th   March   2024.   This is Paul English Live. Welcome to the show.   And on tonight's show, we're gonna be joined by Thomas Anderson.   I hope   therein lies a tale.   We're here with you for the next couple of hours.   Although, of course, who we turns out to be is looking quite interesting right now.   I'd like to tell you that it's been a fun week in Blighty, but,   I can't tell you that. It hasn't.   Yeah. Hello, everyone, and welcome back to, Paul English Live. We're here, every Thursday.  

I have to put an error in at the beginning. It's my, it's my trademark stamp. We're here every Thursday   at 8 PM UK time   and, usually 3 PM   US Eastern Time. But, old   dung for brains here today got it wrong on the little poster that I sent out   and I still left it showing 3 PM.   So if you've been sat out there going, oh he's not turning up. It's all gone a little bit pear shaped. Well, he goes pear shaped anyway really but,   apologies for that. We'll be, US time wise for the next 3 weeks, including this week. So that's what 14th,   21st, and 28th   March,   the Ides of March, the Winds of March.  

We're gonna be starting at 4 PM US Central Time,   and this is, of course, due to the wonderful cockamamie   relationship that we all have with the clocks.   As I've mentioned here before, I think it's a bit bonkers that we actually even adjust them in the first place. But if we're gonna do that,   you would think it might be prudent, sensible, wise. Yes. Qualities that are, in very, very short supply these days for us to all do it at the same time in the northern hemisphere. But no. No.   So I kind of, I kind of envy the Americans a little bit because, you get a whole month extra of, summertime, I think. You   you start your clocks or you put them forward 3 weeks before we do.  

It's not always 3 weeks. Sometimes it's 2. But it's 3 weeks this year. It's a long stretch through.   And,   then you run on for an extra week afterwards. So this always makes it fun. And some of the schedules that I'm involved with, of course, are reading all wrong, which makes it even more interesting.   And, of course, I could do a fantastic show about timekeeping.   In fact, I mentioned the other week,   about The Watchmaker's Apprentice. I don't know if any of you actually followed it up. I put a link in, I think, on that show. It's the one with the clock on   a couple of weeks ago.  

And,   my gosh, choking as well. I would, I'd recommend it very much. If you're into seeing somebody make a watch, you might not think you're into that sort of thing, but I suspect that if you start watching it, you will be. It's a wonderful film,   about, yeah, making watches from scratch.   So there we go.   Anyway, welcome to the show. My guest tonight is Thomas Anders, or it will be if if Thomas exists.   I can turn up. So I've got one of those moments. I haven't had one of those moments yet. There's always something to talk about. We can talk about why Thomas here. Of course, he's he's letting the side down with, the German punctuality side of things. I did speak to him the other day. I had a wonderful chat with him. And, we've put links through to his books on the Rumble chat and to some of his articles recently. I think that, I suspect he will turn up at some point, but if he doesn't it's just me   stroking my beard. Yes. I do have one now because I haven't got shaved for a few weeks, and possibly a few of you joining in and pitching in. So,   until Thomas arrives,   I wanted to, I've actually got a little clip lined up. I was hoping to play this a little bit later in the show,   but we'll we'll start it now, shall we? I think we're probably better.  

This was something oh, I know. There's some other things. So let me just do another shout out here as well. I'm I'm a bit dopey on all this kind of stuff. Here we are. We're on wbn 324.   The links to the streams can be found on paulingdishlive.com.   There's all the little links there,   which you will find.   We're also being carried on Rumble, which is the main place for the chat. So if you wanna actually immerse yourself in with lots of chatters and it's been getting livelier and livelier each week,   along with little hidden voices like that that pop up into the mix from time to time,   then head on over to Rumble.  

Hello, Paul. Hi. How are you?   No audio on Rumble. That's that's what they're seeing in the chat. Oh, okay. Oh, that's, hilarious. Okay. Hang on. Let me have a look.   Wow. Really?   Hilarious. No?   The   good grief. No audio at all. Yep. It's there now. Is it really?   Hey, thanks for the shout out. That's fantastic. Thanks, technical support man.   Paul, great name, of course. Fantastic.   Yeah. I I didn't actually do anything wrong with that this week, but I tell you what. It's been a day of, technical trousers being on fire in other departments. I've had all sorts of nonsense going on. So which I'm not gonna bore you with. Well, I might do later on. I know everybody loves it. Let's talk about technical troubles.   We're going out on Rumble. We are going out on Rumble, and apparently the sound is coming through. Loud and clear on Rumble here, says Eric. Thanks, Eric, for the shout out. That's great. Much appreciated.  

And bum bum bum bum bum bum. Okay. Yep. So there seems to be some intermittent problems with sound on Rumble. We're also going out on Dlive. You could always try that.   I only added that the other week,   because, it was suggested to me even though I've had an account there for years. Normally, used it as a little test account.   So we're also running out on DLive. You'll find a link to that as well   on the website. So, yeah, we're we're on WBN 32 4, and, just by way of personal little anecdote, the last few days have been quite interesting. A lot of new people have,   started following me on Rumble, and that's courtesy of I'm reasonably sure. In fact, I know.  

I was kindly invited on   to the WBN 324 Flagship show. I think we can call it that. In fact, I know we can call it that because it is that. Sunday long live radio with the host, Rhea Bo. Rhea kindly,   contacted me a few weeks ago and said, would you like to come in   and talk during the 4th hour,   which I did. And,   that was fun. I talked a lot. I tend to do that, particularly in the first time environment. But Ria was fantastic,   and,   quite a bit of   positive feedback, I think, from some of the people listening in there. Shout out to Joss as well for your kind comment,   elsewhere on Rumble, I think it is. So that was good. So that all turned out pretty well. And if I didn't upset too many people, I may be back to them once a month, I think, something like that. Anyway, it's not a fixed gig at the moment, but I really enjoyed my stay there this, Sunday just gone. And thanks everybody for sending the positive comments through as they came in. That show runs on WBN 324   every Sunday,   6 AM to 10 AM   Eastern usually,   but yet again with the cockamamie, cockamamie stuff that's going on, it's currently, for the next few weeks, 7 AM to 11 AM. US Eastern   Time. That's US Eastern. So,   very long show, of course, hence the the title 4 hours, but it does tend to sort of zoom by. So it's become   part of my regular listening week as that show. A lot of fun. A lot of good comments. A lot of sharp comments as well from time to time. So it's a it's a really good mix of things over there. I would recommend it. I am recommending it. So there we go.  

Now, now that we've cleared our technical trouser department and got everything sorted out, as I said, I've got a little clip for you. And I was actually hoping   at some point to get this clip into my little spot with, with Rhea at the at the weekend.   But, there was so much to talk about it being the first time. It never it didn't really come up. Now you may recall a woman   called Liz Truss.   Probably, you don't recall her too much because   she was a parachute prime minister, which is what I call them. Most of them Who was the last one to actually be voted in? Was it Boris   or Doris or whoever it was? But,   they've all been basically replacing one another as the Conservative party. Yes. What do they conserve? Not much. As the Conservative party been trundling through the months and just dropping them in. So we've had we had Liz Truss, and she, I guess, was the most,   stark example of a a brief prime minister. As I said, she was there for, I think, about 49   days or maybe 47.  

And, she's   slightly,   I don't know what to say. You've probably got your own view about it. But, you know, obviously, at the time,   nobody really thought too much of it. She didn't last very long. Although news has started coming out that she was trying to ruffle feathers and do things. Anyway, I stumble across this very brief clip, but it's notable,   for all sorts of reasons. Let me just   where is it now? Here it is. So she was on with Steve Bannon. You may be familiar with Steve Bannon.   He,   was a well, not a running mate. Was he a PR guy for Trump in the last election? He's got his own radio show now.   War Room, I think it is. A couple of hours every day of the week. I don't know what network it's on. But if you're into that sort of thing, you've probably caught it. But this is a one minute clip. She was on a little sort of podium addressing people.  



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Listen to this. What I found out when I got into number 10 is I thought that if I got to the top of the tree,  

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I would be able to implement those conservative policies. So you think once a prime minister Yeah. I As a little girl, I was thinking, if I get prime minister, I'll be like Churchill, change the country. That's not how it works. Exactly. And what I discovered  

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was that I was not holding the levers.   The levers were held   by the Bank of England, by the Office of Budget Responsibility.   They weren't held by the prime minister  

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or the chancellor. And I think that's a massive Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. That's a massive problem. Hang on. You're saying the Central Bank, the Bank of England is one of the things that controls. Are you a conspiracy theory person?   You almost sound like Gorham. You're you're MAGA. What what I'm saying, Steve,  

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is that if the Bank of England governor   can't be sacked and the prime minister   can be sacked,   then the Bank of England governor is gonna have more power than the prime minister. And that is a problem in a democracy   because the fact is the left have succeeded in infiltrating our campuses.  

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The left have succeeded in infiltrating the campuses. That's actually not the key point that.   Now, I'm I could be mistaken here, but I'm not aware of any Prime Minister. Okay.   Ex prime minister. So recently, ex. When was she prime minister? A couple of years ago? A year ago? I don't know. During the COVID malarkey.   Actually   spilling the beans. She spilt the beans there.   And, of course, there's been no follow-up on this.   As many of you know, my main sort of   foundational point with all of the troubles that we face is the bank for the simple reason that we have to,   if we want to sort everything else out, sort out the bank. We've got to sort out the bank. And in fact, it's just reminded me of a little book I've got got somewhere on the in the other egg over at some point during the show, I suspect.  

So,   answers on a postcard, please. When was the last time you heard somebody who had recently been Prime Minister   actually point their finger, at last, in the right direction of the spigot, the faint point of all of the problems that we face.   Now,   of course, we have all the dramas to talk about.   We have Steve Bannon, of course. He's part the drama monger,   news cycle, and it's very entertaining, and you can get sucked into that and think you might be able to affect global affairs by participating in it. I'm not one of   those people. I don't think you can. But on our own, in our own back,   garden, as it were,   up the road for me, maybe down the road for you. We have the city of London in which sits, he said in a Dickensian way, like the Lord Mayor of London, the High Court of Chancery.  

We have the head of the Bank of England.   One of the things that, Ria pointed out when we were talking about banking on Sunday,   and it's worth repeating,   is that, you're not allowed. It's against the law to find out who the shareholders   are of the bank.   This is a very quick sentence to say, but the implications of it are,   long standing, considerable, and extremely damaging. I may have, you may have heard me say in the past, when I was having my   fandango,   my wonderful interaction with the Bank of England about 24, 25 years ago now,   afterwards, after the fallout of that, when I was very cross about what had happened,   I made 2 or 3 phone calls. I think 3 was enough for me,   to the bank to try and get a list of their shareholders.  

I wasn't expecting to get a result. I just wanted to see how I was handled.   And, so I called them   and said, hello. You know, I'm, I'm Billy Nowmates here out in the hinterlands of of England.   Could you could you tell me how I can get a list of the shareholders of the bank?   Oh, we don't give out that information, sir. I said, no. I said, but you do have shareholders.   Oh, we don't give out that information either. I said, well, you already have, haven't you really? And,   so here we have this private institution   that Liz Truss, the prime minister bumped right into, and her point is extremely   valid.  

If we believe,   and it does require an awful lot of belief, if we believe that we live in a democratic society with freedom of speech,   cough cough,   And we, supposedly,   the electorate,   are electing   a political party with a leader that then becomes the prime minister   to supposedly   manage the interests of our nation,   yet the person that we have elected   has no power,   control, or influence over the bank.   What is the point of having 1?   In technical and pragmatic terms, there is no point   in my view. You might disagree.   I mean, there is a point in terms of them providing the ongoing theater of politics and all that kind   of stuff. But in terms of their actual ability to change things,   not very good. And she also, in saying these things, she she actually does form a pattern of other individuals, but not prime ministers that I'm aware of. I think Disraeli, although I won't count him either all sorts of other reasons,   said something similar. He said something along the lines of, you know, people would not know who it's people behind the scenes that actually control things. That was in the 1800.  

And we also had sir Josiah Stamp. He was,   at one point, the head of the Bank of England. I think in the 19 late twenties, early thirties. This is in the 1900.   When they retire and they're out of the loop and they're not on the, the gravy train anymore,   sometimes they have a sort of pang of conscience. They start to sort of spill their guts. And if you look up Josiah Stamps, sir Josiah Stamps, you will find some pretty blinding quotes from him, where he's basically saying that if you allow bankers, which we do I'm afraid,   to continue to create the money that we use out of thin air,   and you take it all away from them, It's something like this. He said, with a flick of a pen, they'll buy it all back.  

So   in terms of what's coming up for elections this year in America, has anybody talking about the Fed and how they're gonna hand it over to the American people?   No. Have they ever talked about that? No.   Have any attempts that have been made to do that resulted in a success?   Absolutely   not.   And, although it's part of the reason, I would suggest, why he met an untimely and violent end,   JFK   was or is rumored to have been part of a process that was to make the Treasury of the United States   the fount, the spigot of issuing the currency   based on silver   and not the Federal Reserve.  

So these so called central banks are in fact private businesses owned by private individuals,   the shareholders of which we cannot inquire into. We are not allowed to know, and yet we have prime ministers and politicians running around on the stage   saying,   we're going to sort out the economy.   Yeah. Usual sort of nonsense, I think, recently with a budget, haven't we? I don't pay any attention to this stuff because I actually think we'd be just as well served   listening to the news   from, 35, 40 years ago. What's the point? It just run it around on a big loop. It doesn't really matter who's saying it. None of it comes to anything   because, as Liz Truss points out, you go to the bank, and if they say no, they go, alright, and they walk off.  

Where's the power?   It's with the bank.   And,   I can't really get off this topic actually because I do I mean, I will. Don't worry. We're not gonna need to talk about banking forever. I you know, it's a very good cure for insomnia, talking about central banking. It's pretty good. I mean, stay awake out there, please please, if you can. It's it's a tricky one to keep plowing on and on about because we meet this kind of,   this terrible wall of indifference from the bankers   and also a great power base that they have. Now if you if you want to know what the sort of power how it works, it works in very subtle but but entirely   thorough ways.  

We know, for example, that they can control trade.   There was a big,   there was a big movement in the nineties. There was a guy called Stephen somebody or other. I can't remember his surname. Probably a professor. He wrote a book about interdependence,   and, I'm not into it, interdependence.   I think it's just part of putting yourself in a compromised,   position.   And, bankers rely on it. A whole chain of   of events and effects come to bear on this,   on their management of the economy. So if you want to move goods from certain countries   to other countries and they don't like that, they have the ability to stop it happening.  

And, I'm just reading a couple of comments. A comment here from Eric. He said, in the 19 thirties, the city of London paid off Churchill's debts   to the sum of £19,500,   which would have been quite a bit of money then. It's actually be quite a bit of money now, wouldn't it? We could all do with a spare 19 and a half £1,000.   Churchill simultaneously   got into power in 1940.   Joined the dots. In indeed, joined the dots. Dot joiners. There we are. That was a quick shout out and a little subtle reference to a group called the Dot joiners that I know about. But, that's kind of what we're up against. Now I don't know if I've, here on this show, mentioned,   the people that fought back.  

The people that fought back is a salaratory lesson for us because whenever it's done on a national basis,   it has always ended up in bloodshed or ruin for the individuals of those nations that have been seeking to get it across.   So we have a very very difficult task in front of us. First of all, it's a pretty long winded at times and tedious sort of body of information that you have to acquire.   Although, I I personally found it thrilling, and still do, because it it links into every other sort of major historical event that we've been subject to certainly since the advent of the Bank of England and really before that.   So for those of you who are keen on dates, that was 1694   that the Bank of England came about. And that really was the beginning of the end   of the autonomy of the British people in terms of having a say in the outcome of your life.  

You will have noted that since that date   1694,   I think there's only been   3 or 4 years   in which this country, this nation has not had troops or navies   or military men going around in the world   imposing force on others. And in nearly all cases, it's to extend the economic hegemony   of the bank.   So there wasn't   a British Empire.   There wasn't one. There was an Empire of the city of London,   and that Empire still exists. And, of course, along with their banking   Samuelia,   because there are influences at play there to adjust, reshape   the condition of our nation. We're not alone in this, of course. It's going on all over Europe,   and in North America as well. And they're very brazen about it now. There's a kind of   vacuous   stupidity about the political response to all of these things because,   I don't see a political response. Do you? Is there one?  

So it's a pity that Liz Truss couldn't have said that when she was in power, but you've got to give her a due. She only had 47 or 49 days, whatever it was. And I suspect that because she was prying around into those things,   that probably would have been a major causative reason   for why she   only lasted a very brief time.   The little comment that she made at the end there, of course, about the left   infiltrating everything, well, of course.   Absolutely. This has been the,   the long march through the institutions   we've had over here. What have we got? We've got lots of little societies all intertwined,   interdependent,   you could say,   pounding away at this stuff. You've got the Fabian Society,   using a very long slow approach, which is devastatingly effective, unfortunately, because these institutions   become,   worldview.  

And then if you ever were to have the opportunity to speak to any of the individuals in these institutions,   you're not really gonna get anywhere.   Why is it not a major concern to them?   The bank.   And if you want to know what the solutions are,   you can look at National Socialist Germany in the   from 1933   to 1939.   It's not simply a straightforward job of them   replacing bankers' money. There's lots of other influences, and there were major investors in that country,   such as the Ford Motor Company,   and a lot of Wall   Street, was involved,   as covered by Anthony Sutton.  

Those books are very useful. I don't agree with Sutton on all points, but his research is fantastic in terms of getting a lot of the detailed stuff down.   So you begin to see that,   wherever money is, there's a similar sort of pattern repeated over and over.   And sadly, sad to report,   the end result is usually   that the nation that's instigating   these sorts of   just economic steps on behalf of the people that elected it, those nations tend to get bombed to smithereens,   literally.   Somebody sent   excuse me.   Somebody sent me the other day,   a clip of Louis Farrakhan. You might be familiar with him.  

He's an outspoken   communicator for,   is it the Brotherhood of Islam? I probably got the name wrong, but,   he's part of that movement in the States.   Much of what he says is absolutely spot on. And he was giving a little report.   I'm going to just have a little you know, and the announcer says, I've got to have a glass of water. Here we go.   It was water, by the way.   Shot through with a little bit of apple juice. Nothing naughty.   He was talking about   Gaddafi   and Libya,   and I think   that's the most recent   example I can think of   where the leader of a nation   put the economy   at the service of the people.  

And it's it was a major major   thing.   By way of reminder, many of you might already be familiar with this. I don't know.   If you got married in Libya,   they would set you off on your way to have a family, which is what it's all about. Remember?   It's very difficult with this drama going on, but that's really what it's about. No families. No children.   No small people running around. No future. It's really that simple.   And, he would, make this money available to couples   so that they could,   raise families,   in economically   supportive conditions.  

They were also paying for university educations for people that came forward, and this was because   they had great revenues from a certain type of oil that they have there. I think it's light oil, which was   a very type,   sorry, a type of refined oil that became almost like a sort of gold standard of oil. It was the the oil against which much of the other oil prices were measured, and they were producing this. So it had a lot of surplus revenues,   and he built also what is known as, Gaddafi's   Folly, which turned out to be not a folly at all. That's what it was called   during the construction project. This is this immense you've probably seen pictures of it.  

This immense,   pipeline, this water pipeline,   that he put in place,   to effectively irrigate parts of Libya and make them fertile, and it worked.   So I don't know how long it was. It's about   1400   miles, this thing. I mean, it's a colossal engineering project,   but they had the money and the resources and the backing to do to do it.   And the country was thriving.   Of course, he's portrayed in the West, aren't they all, as this evil dictator? And I'm sure   he must have had to be a strong man. Let's put it that way.   Most of us, of course, are never going to experience what it's like to be in a position of power like that. Unfortunately, I can hear as many of you mutter yes.  

Probably it's probably not gonna happen in these times that we've got. Although, you never know. Things can come out of nowhere. But,   by doing what he did, of course, he was portrayed   in the way that he was portrayed,   which was this evil person.   So on many points, he was doing good things. He also,   which I'm sure many of you will recall, said that   if,   if Libya went down,   that Europe would be engulfed   in a stream of migrants   and other people piling through from that part of Africa.   Hello. Hello. Hello.   To overwhelm Europe.   1 could say then, if we sort of look at it logically and want to draw a few conclusions,   that   the taking out of Gaddafi was to do just that thing.  

Why wouldn't it be?   Because the very people that are threatened, I. E. The central banking mob,   that are threatened by a nation   putting its economy at the service of its people   are also the ones that are threatened by a restoration of Western Christian civilized values. They don't want to see that back. Very difficult, you see,   to have a one world government   if you've got a lot of people still running around on the good fumes of Christianity, which I think is probably a good description of it at the moment.   Although maybe those fumes are   building up to something a bit more substantial in a way.  

And when I use that phrase,   I'm not talking about organized religion. That's not what I'm talking about.   I'm talking about law and the principles of it, including,   and we touched on this as well, including   economic law, the laws of economics   as laid down in those old scriptural books,   which are a darn sight better, that's an understatement,   than what we're having to endure right now.   If you've been   exposed to the economic news, it's exactly the same as it was, as I said, 40 or 50 years ago. Worry, worry, worry.   Inflation, deflation, this, that, and the other.  

Now we've got to worry about the banks owning,   global currencies,   digital currencies,   which is what they're after.   They've always been after this kind of stuff.   Bitcoin, however, may still prove to be a fly in their ointment. I don't quite   know, with that. I don't spend too much time looking at it. Although,   any of you out there that are,   invested is that the right word in Bitcoin?   Or taking a punt might be a better phrase on it. If you've had a if you had some that you bought a couple of years ago or a year back, you're probably laughing right now. Isn't the price something like $70,000   a bitcoin? It's just peaked at its highest   peak ever. Something like that. So,   I had a little bit of the stuff around, but I just got a little bit tired with the whole thing.  

Because I wouldn't be tired for a few bitcoins. So if you want to send me a few, you know, just anybody got a bitcoin that they don't want? Yes. A whole one, please.   Just contact me in some way or other, and, I won't say no to it.   So there we   go.   And,   just to let you know,   here we are. We're half an hour in. Looks like my guest,   Thomas Anderson so I won't refer to him too much more. But, Thomas,   it's a bit of a mystery to me actually.   I did speak to him the other day.   It may be that he has got his times wrong like I did. But,   I did tell him 8 o'clock UK time, which was 9 o'clock.  

He's based in Central Europe, so I think it's Germany or Austria or somewhere like that.   So I was expecting him to show up. So if if he doesn't, we'll have to reschedule that one for a later date.   What I'm gonna do the only thing I didn't do,   was prep any other stuff, you see. Because,   I've done him for quite a few years, and he's so reliable.   He's so reliable. But this is I think this is in keeping with my week. This is good. I'm gonna play you a song by Kevin Coyne here because I like this song, and I'm just gonna take a breather,   and, that's what we're going to do. Fire some text in the Rumble thing. We'll start reading them out. Oh, and because the show is going this way,   if you want us, if you say, I want to hear a song, stick it in the rumble chat. We'll get we'll get on with it. Here we go. This is Sea of Love. You'll know the song, but by Kevin Coyne,   sung in a particularly,   I think, haunting way. Here we go.  



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Hi, and, welcome back. We're   halfway through the first hour, just over the first hour. And if you're just joining us now, this is, Paul English Live. We're here every Thursday.   I say we. This is currently a Billy No Mates production, courtesy of yours truly.   Just to let you know, the show is built to have a guest called Thomas Anderson.   He must be at home writing another book or something like that. So if he does show up, obviously, we'll bring him in. But,   so far and I was just doing a few little, shout outs to him there during the music, see if I could find him, but he's been lost   in the wires of the Internet. This is very much in keeping with my week, actually. I've had, all sorts of lovely little things happening like that.  

Just looking at a few comments as well in the, in the chat here.   Eric says I can have a few Fockbobs,   the currency of his country. Thanks very much, Eric. I I don't know what I could buy with them,   but I would keep them and preserve them, and they can go into my money collection of all those sorts of things.   Somebody else was also talking about   bitcoin and the whole of the digital currency thing being a bit of a scam.   I tend to that view,   I have to tell you. It doesn't mean that people aren't gonna speculate on it and make   a short term, fast, immense book if you're in on the loop.  

I always felt that I'm the sort of person that never would be in on the loop. I had to sort of let go of all that kind of stuff, but if you've succeeded, well done.   My sort of observation about it you may you may recall,   now this would be about   when?   2015, 16? I think something like that.   A court case came up   in New York, a district of New York. I can't remember the name of the judge. Nice man. Nice to dogs. All that kind of stuff. I just made all that up. I have no idea who he was.   And, it was to do with, at the time, the large exchange makers for digital currency.   I can't remember the names of them now. They probably disappeared. Maybe they're not. Maybe they've gone to even bigger things.  

But they were turning over quite a lot. Anyway,   the case had come up that,   they shouldn't be allowed to do this or something like that, you see. Because,   obviously, the reason   why Bitcoin is communicated is that, and I did it earlier, people communicated   in terms of its pricing model, which is   as dollars. I told you, I think, or I said that it's just hit a new high   of $70,000.   But conversely, we could say that the dollar has now hit a new low   against Bitcoin, if you get my drift.   Why do we quote everything in dollars? Because that's the currently it's hanging on by its bare fingernails as you can see, and that will all be to plan as well.   That's the exit currency. That's the world's default currency. It used to, of course, be the British pound, which was marvelous, of course, because it's a pound, you see, and it's just better   because,   because, bankers in London say that it was. But,   it was decided to move the epicenter of world economic management to, to America   over the course of World War 2, which was part and parcel   of one of the reasons for that conflict.  

There was a guy called,   the American representative. I think there was a big meeting with,   John Maynard Keynes,   who some of you may have had to endure in economics classes at school.   I did.   John Maynard Keynes and his theories about this, that, and the supply and demand curves and all that kind of stuff,   I didn't pay too much attention to economics.   Although my, my economics teacher, mister Fils,   that was his name, f I l s. I suppose that's,   is that French for sun or something like that? Anyway, he's also a French teacher, so he did French and economics.   Poor mister Fichte. He was actually really rather fun, but I didn't pay attention to either of those lessons. First of all, I didn't want to speak French because my father instructed me that it was wrong,   to learn French because, you know,   there'd be nothing but trouble for us and this that and the other. And, of course, being a northern I immediately,   I I warmed to that instantly. So I remember I think on my French exam, I intentionally   did as bad as I possibly could. I put something in, but I got 6%, and I was rather proud about that. Although, I was hoping to get down to about 2 or 3%.  

They said you've failed. I said, good. I've not. I've succeeded. So, of course, it's a bit of a Philistine attitude, isn't it?   And I have to say my   my feelings to toward the French have changed and evolved as have I, as   as has my waistline.   So   some years later, I actually was in France,   out in a rural district. The people were absolutely marvelous.   And, of course, their country is way, way bigger than ours. But,   yeah, mister Fies, he taught French.   So I hope you're all taking notes on this. It's very important world news.   And, he was a very jolly man, and he taught us,   he also taught us economics.  

And the only lesson I really remember   was about a thing in economics called marginal utility.   Yes. Stay awake at the back there. Yeah. I was like that too. What?   And,   he but he illustrated it brilliantly.   He used,   a product   which as 17 year old boys we were all very interested in using and were using a lot back then. And it's called beer. You may have heard of it. Beer.   And, he talked about the marginal utility you get from drinking beer. So it's to do with, like, a satisfaction rating.   This is not going to be of any use after I've said this, by the way, but I'm just saying it.   And,   so if you want a beer imagine you're 17, and you wanted a beer. I can I've just imagined it then. I can remember those days. I don't drink the stuff much these days, but back then you just did.  

And, if you were to give it a rating out of 10, 10 being unbelievable,   right, like a pint of Timmy Taylor's hand pulled,   if you were to,   you might say that the first one was an 8.   He said the we'd give it an 8 because you really wanted that beer, and it's pretty good. Right? Now the second one, and we all heartily agreed on this because we wanted to show that we were good beer drinkers. He said you'd probably give that a 9. You might even give that a 9. Often the second   one was better than the first. The marginal utility on the second one was great.   But then began the great rapid steep decline in marginal utility.  

The third one would drop alarmingly probably down to 6.   The 4th one,   by which time, of course, I'm   much the worse for wear, so, of course, it's just an academic   discussion really.   The 4th one you would get to about 4.   The 5th one you're down to 2.   The 6th one you're down to 0.5,   and on and on and on. Of course, we were trying to add up what happens to these people that are able to drink 25 pints.   I was never one of those people,   thankfully, which I thought was pretty good. But that's marginal utility for you. Okay? The more you have of a thing, the less fun value satisfaction   you get out of it. A bit like politics really and, and politicians. The more we have of them, the less interested we are in what they're saying and what they're doing, which is, of course, not a lot, is it?  

So there you go. That was that was the economics class that I remember more than any other. But we did,   discuss John Maynard Keynes,   who was actually   yes. He was a compromised individual in that he was   a willy wofter.   I'm using nice language.   Right. So he was a compromised individual, but he also did some really interesting work. And they had a thing you may have heard of this called the Bretton Woods meeting towards the end of the war. Was it 1946?   In Bretton Woods in upstate New York, is that?   Any American people can correct me, but I think it is.   And,   Keynes was sent as the representative of the incumbent system. Hello. I'm the British pound. And, a guy called Harry Dexter White turned up on behalf of the Federal Reserve.  

Keynes had come out with this idea called a bankor, an international currency unit, to settle the economic differences as it were,   the exchange of balances between nations, bancor,   really rather a brilliant device for the time. It was, of course, thoroughly trashed and rejected   by Harry Dexter White who said, no. No. No. No. We're not going to do that. And, they just moved everything over to the US dollar,   and said this is now the world's currency. And no one really was in a position to argue against that,   because of the complete   obliteration   of Europe and the ruination of its industrial base.  

And, Britain, of course, wasn't doing too good.   In fact, that's   tremendous understatement. We were completely knackered,   by that totally avoidable idiotic conflict.   And so, he got his way, did Dexter White. And Wall Street was very happy. And that's the situation that we've been living in   up until   still just barely now.   So they've been looking,   to replace the US dollar with the digital bit.   It's   not to be trusted in my view. Going back to that thing I was talking about, because I I I've just realized I've come away from the point,   about this court case,   and these exchange makers with Bitcoin back in 2015   or whenever it was.  

The judge   could have, at that point,   shut them down.   And if he'd shut them down   and said, I'm not allowing this because it's a threat to the US dollar, which you would think he would say. Right? Given that he's working for the team.   No. He didn't say that. He let it go. And at that point,   when I read about that decision,   I knew I'm going to say that I knew this. Of course, in retrospect, it might turn out that I was in error. But my decision was this is a complete fit up job   because,   there had been other currencies,   sort of online digital currencies that had flourished   round about the turn of the century,   1999,   2000, 2001, 2002. So we're talking 20 years ago   now. It doesn't seem like 20 years ago. This this century seems like just one big long year. I've still not really got used to it beginning with 20 myself. Don't know how you're you're fitted up with that.  

But,   there was a currency called e egold. Maybe you remember e hyphen gold,   and   that was to digitalise   stocks of gold,   and it was very   effective.   It was very effective.   It became   a currency that was used by a lot of network marketing   and affiliate programs, that kind of thing at the time. This is before Amazon had really kicked in with its big affiliate program. We're talking 2,000, 2 1,000 and 1.   So,   and then there was a thing called Seagold, which was pretty much the same, and there was a couple of others. They did the Digital Silver.   And Egold was run, I think, by 2 brothers, 2 American brothers,   out in Barbados or somewhere lovely like that. Not Boundsley   or Tad Caster or Cleck Huddersfax or anywhere rough like that. No. It was in Barbados, so they looked the part.  

And it all panned out really rather well for them until,   their offices got raided by the thugs   and they were completely shut down and obliterated for,   now. What did they accuse them of? Oh, yeah. They were saying something like, you know, that the money has been used to,   fuel pornography   or something like that. You you can get the drift, whatever it is.   Bitcoin,   But bitcoin,   bitcoin was not shut down. So I think that's the conclusion I've come to. You might come to a different one.   This is not to invalidate the idea of of digital currencies.   They're here.  

I suppose it's as much a sort of affront to what we think is money as paper money was   to people who actually valued gold and precious metals.   And,   gold and precious metals are very intriguing. In fact, I've   done so many crazy things with money. After   after the,   after my,   fandango with with the bank   circa 2,000, 2,000 and 1, it all got cleared up by about 2,002.   And I've mentioned this before.   I spent quite a bit of time   really researching   a lot of the sort of hardcore old money stuff, and looking at the Austrian School of Economics, that's the von Mies Institute,   and Gold, they are champions of precious metals, and the arguments made by people that champion precious metals are,   very   seductive in many ways, and I   was kind of attracted to that. So much so,   that I   sat I was contacting gold dealers trying to find out how many sovereigns there were in the world.  

Now, if you don't know what is a British sovereign   is a there's a lot of them. I can't remember what the number is now, but I was going through some charts and everything.   100 of thousands of these things exist, and of course, there's a just under   a quarter of an ounce of gold in them.   And I was thinking, I thought, wouldn't it be interesting if we could mobilize that gold instead of it saying in people's sock or whatever it they keep it, why couldn't we start to,   move it around? You see how naive I was, but it was so exciting at the time, and there's a mint. It's still there to this day,   called the Sunshine Mint in Idaho.  

And I believe   now that George   Soros, you might have heard of him. I think Soros is possibly a major shareholder in it or something like that. Maybe I've got my facts wrong, but he's involved in something   up there, and I'm thinking it's that. But, we contacted the,   I was working with a couple of guys, some guys in the States, they were out in Connecticut doing some amazing stuff, actually. Of course, all the good stuff gets shut down.   So I've I've banged into a lot of very creative financial people   whose goal was to try and help us, the little guy, you know, get some strength in this game. It's very difficult as you can see.   But we contacted that mint,   and   we started minting 1 ounce gold   coins,   and they were fantastic.  

It was it was very exciting. And at one time,   about 2,005,   I had 6 of them, 6 ounces   of gold. Now we were a little bit dense when it came to actually making these things. If you've had,   if you ever held a krugerrand in your in your hand, a krugerrand in your hand is worth 2 in the bush or something like that. If you've ever had a Krugerrand,   you'll know that it's, it's not it's not as shiny as you would think, and that's because there's about 2 or 3% copper   in there. This always used to put me right off, and I don't want any copper, but there's a very good reason for it. What it does is it creates a kind of alloy,   around the gold,   and you can still get the gold out of it, you know, if you take it to a proper place and you want the actual gold in there. But it makes it very durable, which means people can put them in their pockets. I know your pockets have often been full of Krugerrands,   mine haven't.  

And,   from South Africa, of course.   And we failed to do that. We failed   to think that we needed to do that.   So what happened was that,   flecks of gold would come off the corner where the edge was milled, and, we didn't actually put one of those little bevels on the side either.   Talk about not knowing what you're doing, but boy were they shiny. And, I just moved to this,   the place where we   are now, and, I bumped into a guy here who was, peep I just kept on bumping into people as you do.   And he was,   rather rather taken with this stash that I had.   And, we were in the pub one day,   and, he knew everybody there. He said, can I can I just take these 6 ounces of gold off you and go around the pub and show them to my friends? And I went,   yeah.  

Yeah. I mean, I looked at him. He couldn't run that quick, and I knew where he lived, but that that wouldn't have helped me anyway. You know what it's like when people get their hands on things.   So, but it was very interesting because   I'd never really handled gold before,   and I could see him he was going up to these people, and he was saying, look. Here's the gold,   And then if you've ever had 6 ounces drop into your hand, boy, it's it's heavy. You could just feel it. And there's a sort of connection, a visceral connection that this really is valuable. Of course,   it is, actually, for all sorts of reasons. It's an amazing substance. It's gold. It's the only thing that,   that doesn't rot in the earth's atmosphere. You can destroy it using a certain type of acid, but you have to, you know, really work at it.  

And I their faces were   I asked him afterwards. I said, what did they say? He said they were all a bit thrilled,   And, it wasn't out of greed. It was just that nobody handles gold, do they, anymore?   And so there's this whole subculture of gold dealers and stuff like that. And I guess maybe they're gonna disappear too.   But in terms of,   you know, it'd be great to go and buy your car with a few ounces of gold, wouldn't it? You know, I don't know what an ounce is these days. 2,000 quid is it? Something like that.   So,   yeah, that was that was a lot of fun. Sunshine Mint in Idaho. They're still going strong, probably doing a lot of silver stuff as well.  

But that was part of a yet again, another sort of   a currency   idea   to try and furnish us directly with a currency that you earn. And, of course,   one of the things about holding gold   is that it's in your hand,   and you actually do own it. And if you look into the whole of the history of gold, well, not the whole of it, but some of it, you come across all sorts of odd little stories. There's   there's a I think they're still going. There's a gold dealer in England up in in and around Liverpool,   and they were set up, I think, in the late 19 fifties early 19 sixties. And the guy there that ran it, it was called taxfreegold.co.uk.   It's probably still there, I think. Tax free gold,   and you could buy any sort of coin from him. But he was very helpful to me. I was trying to get the history of gold and stuff like   that, and he said, because then they were looking at these,   what are these things?  

Gold not gold exchange funds. The the they come up with some new instrument, a kind of gold backed instrument that, of course, the banks would hold safely   for you on your behalf.   And he said, that he wouldn't trust them with a barge pole. He said the only stuff you've got is the stuff that's in your hand.   And it's full of this kind of skullduggery. So this is 2,022,003,   and the skullduggery I'm referring to   there is Johnson Matthey.   Now,   you may recall that Johnson Matthey   were lying about the amount of gold that they held,   which is what a surprise. I mean, who would ever think that bankers   would would not tell the truth about what their true asset base is? I don't know. What is the world coming to? A ruinous, it seems to me. And then there was a case,   I think, about 10 years or so ago. I don't know. It was Johnson Matthey, maybe another one of the big gold dealers.  

They were told,   they got a tip-off that some of the gold that they had in their vaults was probably not gold.   And they were sawing through these bars to discover that they were gold covered tungsten.   Oh, yeah. The criminal mind, I mean, bankers ought to know about it. So, so that was kicking off all around so that was kicking off all around then looking at the gold stuff. I think the Internet at the time being a kind of really   a wonderful Wild West of information, it really was actually, and it still is, I guess, if you stick your nose into the right places.   The,   there were just so many ideas and pieces of information floating around.  

If you lived in England at the time, if you were alive back then and paying attention to things, you may recall a dreadful individual who was   the chancellor of the exchequer at the time called Gordon Brown. Do you remember him?   I'm sorry to remind you about him. It's not a nice thought, is it? But there you go.   There was Gordon Brown. This man with all these   strange sort of facial ticks and odd verbal delivery, and, trying to tell us he was gonna make Britain great again, and all this other nonsense. But I always thought that was gonna be a bit difficult for him, because he ended up selling off huge chunks of our gold   way below the market price,   or at least that's the story we were told.  

I suspect he did do that,   but winding back to that little clip from Liz Truss a bit earlier here in the show,   this would indicate, I think, to anybody with a kind of probing mind that he was under instructions to do just that, and to dump the government's gold,   which is really   our gold, you know, yours, apparently. So you're told,   but you never get to go and see it, and you've just got to trust us. Trust me.   I'm a banker.   So,   Yeah. The the gold thing is still,   oh, alright. Okay. Got a music request in here, which is good. Actually, it's very   that's very apt. I better go find it and try and talk at the same time, and anybody that knows me knows that I'm not very good at that sort of thing. This is called multitasking.  

I did it once.   So,   yeah. Gold.   Absolutely. Why can't we all just start spending gold again? And on that note,   let's see if I can find this musical note.   I can. Alright. So here we go. This is a request in. It's top of the hour.   You listen to Paul English Live here on WBN 324. The Billy No Mates   edition of the show.   This   request oh, I'll play it, and then I'll tell you who made the request. Okay. We'll we'll we'll do that.   You'll all know this one, and this taps into, oh, lots of things.  

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Golden words he will pour in your ear,   but his life can't disguise what you feel.   For a golden girl   mister   Goldfinger.   Pretty good.   Beware of this heart upon?   This heart is cold.   He loved only  

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And welcome back to the show. Just gone 9 o'clock here. We're in the second hour and shout out there to, Warren.   Very apt choice.   No, mister Bond. I expect you to die.   That line. Fantastic.   And,   I would like to also bring you some positive news. Although it might not turn out that way.   But, I've been joined, by our guest, for tonight, Thomas Anderson,   who, I understand used to play the role of Goldfinger in amateur theater productions in,   Germany.   And,   Thomas, welcome to the show. How are you?  

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Paul, first of all, a big apologize.   I know this is life and shit happens, you know. German highways are not as good as they used   to be. So I was on the highway. No? Lots of construction sites. I I didn't expect them. And and and they were so long and so huge, and there were so many cars on on the highway. I I simply couldn't move   anything  

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forward. So Well, this is just no good. I'm sorry. We booked another guest now, Thomas.   It's I was saying, I said Have a nice evening. What was that talking to you? Yeah. We were I just said, this is not right. This is not due tonic efficiency. What's going on? Absolutely amazing. So I actually I didn't want to get all dramatic about it in the show, but I thought, oh, something must have happened to him or something. But he did. You met you met Roadworks. How how thrilling for you. Fantastic.   Wonderful. How thrilling. Yeah. Okay.   Anyway, look, welcome to the show. Fantastic. Welcome to the show. I'll just do the little we're here on WBN 324. We're here every,   every Thursday. I've just been joined by the on time Thomas Anderson. Thomas, welcome to the show for part 2. There's an after show as well, Thomas. So if you wanted to talk, you could or whatever. I don't know. Because I really want hear more about your traffic exploits. I think they're really good. That's very very interesting over here that you you have to suffer that stuff as well.  

And, it it's actually not been too bad because it gave me an hour to monologue,   which I don't do too much.   And, of course, I've got to keep doing that because the idea is just talk and talk and talk and talk. So   anyway, welcome to the show. I'm,   most of the people here will never have heard of you or not know of you.   I sort of know of you, unfortunately.   Don't I?   We we kind of go back a few years. But what what would be a good place to start, I think, is for you to do the standard thing, because it really works. Is to give a bit of your backstory.   Who you are?  

Why you write the books that you write, your fields of interest,   I. E. Why you're why I'm talking to you tonight. What is the the backstory that's brought you into the show here this evening? I have no idea why you're talking to me.  

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Well,   well, first of all, I'm I'm just a normal German guy.   I was educated by by German school system,   which   used to be very good, which is now extremely bad.   I grew up in a very normal family.   My father   educated   me and   taught me things   that might   be,   put in a   little bit more right angle than a normal angle.   So I was more conservative.   And at some point of time later after I visited university,   I got to know   an older man,   on   on a private party,   of and I talked to him in a very nice way, he was around his, let's say, middle 70s and,   of course, as you can imagine, when you're talking to older people,   you're talking very, very fast about topics like, 2nd World War and time after the war, etcetera. Yeah. And then   it was it was a really nice discussion with him and,   around 2 or 3 weeks after this party, I received a letter from him,   which was a very nice letter and and   I I liked him, so I wrote back. We exchanged some letters and at some point of time, let's say, 4th or or 5th letter   from him, there was something in his letter which I   regarded as as highly political   incorrect.  



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I like him already.   I didn't even meet him.  

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I I I just   I I liked it very much, so I answered him and and and discussed this matter,   and it got even worse. So the next letter was was filled up with things   I couldn't accept with my normal education and   in me   arose this feeling that,   on the one side, he could be one of those my parents and my teachers always warned me about,   to not touch, to not go with them, to not talk to them.   On other sides,   I I regarded him as highly,   well educated man and and   if he was right,   I asked myself   or I told myself,   then everything what I learned at school was bullshit.   So,   I,   took out simply one of of his arguments there in his letter and checked it and I found out he was right.  

I took the next one, took the next one and I found out he was right in everything.   Although,   everything   what he wrote contradicted everything what we learned in school   and   from this,   first   exchange   of some,   let's say, alternative   facts or alternative views,   arose a friendship over the years and   he filled me, he fed me with lots of lots of books,   information,   background knowledge,   which he had collected over the years   and   that was in the year of 2000.  

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Right.  

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And, so I started rather late,   to open my eyes. Well, I had the feeling,   I met him then once in a city where we had an afternoon sitting on an ice park bench,   near a lakeside and   on that day, he opened my eyes really very wide   and I went back, by train and and I sat on the train and I remember that very well and then   and said to myself, well,   if if this is really everything true, then then   my my view of the world, my of   the way we are living of of the of the society we are living is is is completely,   damaged,   is worth nothing and I have to rebuild everything.  

And that was for me the the starting point   to   really research,   that was a time   where I I read 2, 3 books a week,   and and after several months,   I had a first, let's say,   wide overview   about what he was telling me and and   then I started to scan some of these books because   most of these books I found were forbidden in Germany.   You couldn't get it on the market.   You couldn't even get it in archives and   there was only one archive in Berlin which   had those books,   although they were forbidden, and then I went there, used the wrong name, and then,   took with me my laptop and my scanner and   secretly   behind   the shelf there sitting in the last corner of that archive, I scanned book after book after   book. And that is the reason why why many of those books are now available on the net.  



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Because you did it. It's you. Got you. We found  

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1. We found 1. We found it. Finally. There he is. Fantastic. Yes. So   that started a period of around,   let's say, 10 years of research like this with with reading books and books and books and books and and you can imagine when when you are reading those books,   and you'd only do this reading and and nothing else,   you you can't think about anything else. You are talking about this, you are dreaming about this,   you are thinking about this and and there is   not   any place for anything else in your life. And the reason why I I know that one. The reason the reason why I then started to to write my first book was simply   the attempt, the hope   that by writing a book,   I could somehow   write these things out of my mind.  

So so that I perhaps may have a chance to to think about something different.   So so I wrote this first book.   I   put it on the net for free.   I don't know know how many people downloaded this stuff. I have no idea.   And then after some years, I   I had the wish to do   this more professionally.   I took this book   and   visited some publishing companies in Germany,   most of them in the area of   alternative   information   of   let let's call them politically correct right wing publishers   and   all of them had   great fear.   They told me,   Tom, you're right. I know, but I want to have a publishing company tomorrow.   So   I will not publish your book.  

And the only one who was,   let's say, who had the balls to publish this was   Jan van Herzing. This is in Germany, a very famous publisher.   Yes. In the area of of those,   of of this kind of books.   He he wanted this book. He's a good friend of mine and   and we published it   and   after publishing this book, it it was a huge amount and of of work,   to to get this book on a professional level regarding formatting and and pictures and and sources. Everything. They're hard work, aren't they? There's a lot of detail. They're very hard work. It took me many months. Yeah. Yeah. And and after finishing this work and having published this book, I really had the feeling, wow,   it it my mind is free of these things.  

I finally have a chance   to live a normal life.   That's great. That's really fine.   And,   of course, the devil is in the detail. 3 weeks later,   I got a call from a   Chinese woman,   of, with with   whom I I was in contact for for several years already.   I think you might know her or her name, Nancy.   I might But I don't know if you recall her name. It was of of  

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an a friend of our common friend. Alright. Okay. Yes. I think so. Yes. I know who you're referring to, I think. Yep.  

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And and she gave me a link to the Internet,   to some videos of some   American whistleblowers about secret space programs   and that   I found that quite interesting. I watched some of these videos and   it really got me.   I spend around, let's say,   I don't know, 500 hours watching videos,   video after video after video. And   I couldn't resist. I had to do my second book because   what I wrote in the first book   is already,   a very good summary of the history   leading to the situation of today. But the situation of today   what what is really happening now in the background   was not covered   and and the second book puts it all together in in in one complete package.  

So so   I think the best way to describe these first   these these two books is   when you're interested in   in alternative   and other news than on the mainstream. And when you want to dive really deep into this,   but you don't have the time because you're you're having you have a family, you have a job and you have a household,   dog, whatever, hobbies,   then you cannot spend 500 hours watching videos. So, you need a kind of summary   and my books are this summary.   This is why I wrote them and and, the both books are full of sources. So if if anybody,   has the wish to to dive even more deep, well, you're welcome. I have 40 pages of sources with different other books and   and every single book of of these sources   has a certain   main topic   in in which this book dives very deep and   which I can't do in my books because   there's simply a limit. 400 pages is already a bigger book, but but you cannot do 2,000 pages in one book.  



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Yeah.   The,   the culture of the in So this is in Germany. Yes? About 25 years ago. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Mhmm. And   in the So you you talked about these publishers and I can understand exactly why they responded the way they did. Yeah, obviously, they would like to have a publishing business the next day. But has there been a kind of   because most of us here are are of course completely unaware of what's actually happening on the ground with German literature because guess what? We we can't read German.   But   is there is there kind of a lot of books in this field now? Were you one of the first ones at the time? Or or is it still a sort of relatively thin area because of the problems with publishing?   What's the sort of state now?  



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I cannot tell exactly. There are there are several authors,   writing books,   on a regular basis,   well known names and and   there is a bigger company called the Kopferlak,   publishing company   for alternative   books   like in in topics of health issues and   preppers   and   you name it. So,   there are books on the market.   The real hard stuff   is not covered,   simply because it's forbidden.   On a regular basis,   there are books in Germany,   basically, there there are   scenarios like there's an author who publishes a book which is not wanted on the market,   the best thing   that could happen to him is that   somebody somehow manages to buy all his books on the very first day.  

So his book simply disappears by buying it out.   That's the best thing. It happened.  

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Right. Rarely.  

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Yes. I can imagine. The more normal the more normal thing is,   it's simply forbidden.   It's, the police will will visit the publishing company,   take all the books with them, and and that's it.  

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Yeah. There's nothing new with that. I mean, that sort of,   excessive   governmental editorial control of what   the populace is allowed access to is, is not a new event. But it's interesting to hear that, that,   it's obviously still a strong part of, the control system over there where you are. This,   this gentleman who taught you so much, and when you were talking about that, I thought, my my kind of path is pretty similar. I bumped into someone who taught me a lot of things that sort of bent my head out of shape at the time.   The the gentleman that taught you, I has he shuffled off this mortal coil? I'm assuming he probably has by now.  



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Yes. He died,  

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4 years ago. Alright. Okay. And and was the So the information that he was bringing to you,   was it to do I get I'm just gonna guess it. Maybe it was to do with the true history of your country over the first half of the 20th century, that kind of stuff?  

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Yes. That that is the most,   that was the most intriguing part for him because he he was a young boy,   experiencing   Hitler time and and, the wartime and the time after the war.   So he tried to correct this picture in my head at first.   The next   bigger topic was,   bringing this in a bigger framework.   Why did this war happen?   By whom was this war,   provoked? And and and,   who,   had the advantages of of this war and and of the First World War II.   So,   that was a,   a second part. The third part was more of   a kind of health issue.   He came from,   let's say,   a job in the health branch.  

He did his job very good and and,   that was his   problem because,   of his very good work, the   sugar industry   lost   around 1,000,000,000   in the 1st year   and that was   his,   that was for him the end of his normal life.  

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So he was actually helping, he did something really silly. He actually helped people.  

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Yeah. Silly. Really silly.  

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Yeah.  

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He took his job very seriously. He he did it, very good and,   you know, then then that was the beginning of all his problems.  

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Yes.   Well, I mean, it's such   a humongously   huge and,   awful part of history,   that period in European history.   And I would imagine, I guess, from your point of view, because   obviously, when we were young here, we were exposed, and we're still exposed to it, to the data, sort of a complete battering ram of propaganda, nonstop, even today. I mean, not   not that I look at it every day, but there are programs on here on some of the so called history channels. There's there's   one called   the buildings that fought Hitler.   You you you know, I'm  

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Okay. Alright. Okay. In Germany, we we have a a series called bad buildings.   Right. And it's it's referring to to to everything what the so called Nazis built there at the time in Nuremberg,   in in Munich, in in Berlin,   wherever.  

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They're bad. Are they bad buildings? Is that what they're called? Bad buildings. Yeah. Bad. Very naughty buildings. It's the buildings that did it to us. It's asinine. I mean, you don't even know where to start. But, of course, you see the presenters and they're completely into it. They're sort of having histrionics when they're going through all these   things. And,   one waits for the calm voice, but it never comes. But it's obviously come to it came to you in the form of this guy, this chap that that brought this information.   His story must have been quite a thing. I mean, did he have colleagues   from that period who had taken the same path of inquiry as he had? Or was it that because he'd moved into the medical area and looking at health, that kind of amplified his   his knowledge base and he saw things in an even bigger light than he had done just simply from living through that period. Were there other people around him or was he a bit of a lone operator?  



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I I can only guess. I guess he he raised in a normal family, in a normal way, and and he didn't really care about what was happening in history. He started his job, his career as a medical,   professional,   and at some point of time,   he he recognized that something   went really bad for for the   public   health   Yeah. And,   then he started his work, then he got his problems. And I guess this he told me once,   when when when those problems began suddenly   whistleblower came to him and then offered him   archives   loads of boxes   with several documents showing that   whatever, this politician got so much for that and that politician   got a house or a farm in Canada for for doing this kind of thing.  

Everything.   And,   that was the point where where he started to to put this all together in in a in a in a wider perspective and in a bigger   framework?  

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Yes. I guess it's a path that many people listening here will recognize, certainly even if it's not for their own life. They'll know it from reading the lives of others that have gone down a similar sort of path. You know, at the path of inquiry and being outside of the herd, and then running counter to the general view and of the populace, which is   really what you're all about, you naughty person. And I guess it's what I'm about, and it's certainly what many of the listeners are about is to actually keep tunnelling into these, forbidden areas of knowledge to find out of course, when you go into them, you find out why they were forbidden. Because they reveal so much of the true state of affairs that we're having to cope with.   And, of course, more dangerously, the individuals responsible for doing it, which is,   why I guess he had to be very careful as I understand your caution around certain things as well.  

In terms of free speech now in Germany, have you got any?   Do you have any left?   I wondered if you might have some. Because if you got some, you could send some our  

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our way because they're using all ours up. So I I can answer that question very very fast. No. We don't have.  

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You can say 9 if you want to. I don't mind.   Somebody somebody actually wrote in the thing. I I shouldn't tell you this because it's gonna make your head swell but we we better do it because they said, we're talking about German people. He said, German people this is from Eric. Thanks, Eric. German people, he says, he's talking about you, of course,   speak fantastic English. Well, they don't all do that, Eric. Of course, some of them are hooligans. But Thomas is not it says, Thomas speaks English better than most English people do. So there you go. You've always got a job at the BBC, Thomas, if things go bad for you over in Germany. I'm sure.  

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But I get I guess the reason for this is because I like the musical My Fair Lady so much and because I could sing it all with them. And and one of the the best songs in this musical is why can't the English learn to speak?  

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It's a good it's   a good lyric. Why can't they? It all well, it all depends where you go in England. I mean, you can go to certain parts. You won't understand a word they say. And that I include myself. There's so many I mean, do you have a lot of different dialects and different sounding German people in Germany? Oh, yes. Of course. Of course. Many many different. Yeah. Going from from from east to west, from south to north,  

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let's let's say 10 minimum.  

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Yeah. Easy. So are there parts of Germany where you could go and you wouldn't understand what they were saying?   The   the accent is so strong. Is it anything where it's difficult? Well,  

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when you're talking to to very old people, you might end up in ostrichsland in in the far   western   northern part of Germany,   where the old people   speak a language which I really don't understand. It's   I I can't.   It it's it's you you you can get the same when you go to Switzerland or to Austria to some   very remote   countryside   areas,   talking to the farmers there,   there you will   experience the same, I guess. Yeah.  

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There's a region over here in England called Tyneside   where there are people called Geordies.   And,   I'm from the north of England, so I ought to have really been able to understand them. They're not much further north than me. They probably about 80, 90 miles. And I I loved them. I used to spend a lot of time up there on New Year's Eves in the late seventies, early eighties. A lot of fun up there.   But their accent is almost impenetrable at times, particularly after several beers. It's absolutely completely I have no idea what they're saying at all, but they're very very buoyant sort of people. So I'm glad to know that you have that same sort of thing as well. England is just full of dialects or wars. I suppose we're all we don't all speak like the BBC, although we, of course, we all want to. No, we don't really.   Listen, we're we're half an hour in. This is a good opening shot. Shot. I think we should play one of your one of the songs that I asked you to send him. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. Let let's do that. So I'm just going to pick the shorter of the 2 right now. You can do 1. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to do that. So I'm here with Thomas Anderson,   and we're discussing his books and his work and the background to all of that. And here's,   here's a we're gonna raise the cultural tempo a little bit here. Here we go.  

Oh, we're not. Look at that. You know what you know what happens?   I load these things up, and then if I leave them for a bit, they, they don't wanna they don't wanna play. I this happens to me a lot. It's very embarrassing actually. You can you can feel my embarrassment at your end. I hope you can, Thomas. It's terrible. Let me just find this thing again. Where has it gone now? Dum dum dum dum dum.   Uh-huh. Yes. This is of course, remixed as they all are at 4:32, courtesy of our in house, mixing man,   the b mix.  

Here we go.  

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Yes. Sounds like some sound of techno.  

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Yeah. Let's let's play this. This is the longer of the 2. This is what we're gonna do.  

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Okay.  

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How marvelous was that?   Thomas, what was it that we were listening to?  

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So first of all, that was, Verdi, the opening of the opera La Traviata.   I had lots of stops in in in the transmission of of the music file. I hope you the   listeners didn't have them.   It was very nice listening to it in this   new   transformed   converted version to to 432   hertz.   It it even brings   more   more temperature, more warmth,   into this music.  

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I choose it. It was beautiful. It's really fabulous. Absolutely fabulous. I I it's just this is a little thing that that happened quite spontaneously   where,   you know, given that there's a guest on there, to ask you for a song or a couple of songs or tunes, melodies, pieces, whatever we want to call them, and to get the back story of it. But that was just   delightful. It's fabulous. And I'll send you a copy of the actual file afterwards. So you can You're right. Like that. You can have the 432 hertz naughty version. That's what we call them. It's all part of,   you know, wherever we can take advantage of the system, that's what we're here  

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to do. So fabulous. Okay. Yeah. Great. Wonderful.   You told me upfront that you would write a huge   unimaginably long list.  

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Yes.   Now you've got to ask me now you say, did I? Go on and ask me. Say, Paul, did you do that?  

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Paul, did you do that?  

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No.   You got to say no earlier, so I wanted to say no now. I I didn't think there would be any reason to. And so far, it's being proven right. There is no reason to. I've got certain topics in my head. Next one,   farming in Germany.   Okay. We're obviously we remain this is what I I was talking about the French earlier in the in the in the first part when somebody was on the motorway. You see what I did there? And,   the,   how I was trained as a young boy to not really get on with the French. But I I actually there's certain aspects of them that I I really do admire. The ability for their farmers to fire silage all over public buildings is very impressive.   Do you have anything any counterpart to that going on with the farmers in Germany? What's because I've seen certain   things and there are things happening here as well. So your view of what's happening with regards to what is obviously an attack on farming   in all the Western Christian nations? How is it in Germany? What does it look like?  



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So I start with the official,   point of view. What what I see in the mainstream   is   several demonstrations,   small demonstrations,   here and there, and some   jams on the highway because there are some farmers   going in very slow motion   over this highway. But but nothing really about,   the background,   nothing about   why they are doing this,   and it is not covered   on   a bigger in a bigger way in the mainstream media. What we see on on Telegram and and and Rumble and and YouTube,   this is very much different. So we see that everywhere in Germany there are farmers going on the street   with their tractors,   they are blocking streets, they are blocking,   government buildings, local government buildings,   blocking ministries,   they are blocking uh-uh   the the big   central warehouses that the logistic hubs   bigger supermarket companies,   market leading companies,   which   then led   to partly empty shelves in the supermarkets.  

But that was for for for me as an end customer. When I when I went to the supermarket, I saw   some empty parts here and there, but it was no big deal because everything was still somehow to get.   What what troubles me when when looking on these,   farmers protests not only in Germany, in France, in Spain, in Italy, in in in Greece, everywhere   is that   we had this kind of   so called independent   and and free coming from people,   protests also in Germany in 1989 when we had the the   shortly after that we had the so called reunion of the 2 German states,   and it you remember very well the   we are the people,   the people on the street shouting these   words in the 100 of 1,000,   and   now we know that   this was very well orchestrated in the background.  

You have to organize this this kind of thing. Buses have to have to be rented,   the buses must must drive from somewhere to to these places to bring the people there. The people must somehow be collected and motivated to go there.   Many of them have to be paid.   The same with with so called Antifa also, they get paid very well paid.   Mhmm. You might be,   you might want to add.   So I I think   we are looking at the the same picture here. I assume that this   protest is very well organized from the background,   for a certain reason,   of which the farmers are are not   aware   and they have no background knowledge and no clue why they are   abroad there to protest against the EU. They are doing it because they have a reason.  

The farmers, I guess it's it's everywhere, it's the same. The farmers work from from 5 in the morning   to to 10 in the evening, and let's say €2,000,   can perhaps pay their   their bills from that, but but nothing else. No holiday,   no no gold ounces   on the side. Nothing. Right. And,   of course, they are angry with this kind of situation. And when they want to get,   when they want to do some, let's say, biological farming,   not using the   the the seeds of Monsanto   or any other company,   of course, they they   get then,   some trouble with, the local authorities   telling them, hey, you have to do this, you have to do it this way, and and when you don't do it this way, then you get some   bad echo from our side. Yes.  



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Yes. It's not dissimilar, I guess, to what's going on here. We've had, I've seen a few   tractor rallies over here and I think you're right that the I mean,   some kind of a you see, the whole thing about getting organised is, you you know, historically, when you look at it, these organisations always get infiltrated. But what what are you supposed to do? I think you still need to probably go ahead and do it and try and spot the infiltrators but they have they have great ability   to turn things over because, you know, you're talking about them getting paid. It's a great motivator for people who are generally disinterested in things. And there's nothing new under the sun with this approach. I   mean, although I have Perhaps   Yeah. Sorry.  



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Perhaps we we we should   give our listeners a bigger perspective   why this might   be a wanted protest and and and why   somebody in the background,   for whatever reason   want to want to pay for this.   When you think of these protests,   and and when they are becoming   worse than they are now,   simply   logical   follow-up would be that we we start to get empty shelves in the supermarkets.   What I read about the UK is that that it's already   it already has begun there. Mhmm. That you have supermarkets with empty shelves. So,   when we have that   kind of situation,   Who's gonna get that blame? Also,   yeah, who's gonna blame? And then also the normal people will start to ask questions   and   of course, when there's no food, the people will start to get angry   and this is a perfect scenario for somebody   who might have a so called solution,   behind his hand and   my fear,   because of everything what I learned and read and know is that we are facing exactly this kind of situation,   that the people   who earned 1,000,000,000 and 1,000,000,000 and 1,000,000,000 with forced vaccinations, etcetera.  

Are now in the situation that they invested   and and and now also   go investing,   1,000,000,000 in building up some plants for   so called   indoor farming,   of let's call them biological plants, vegetables, etc.   What I heard from from a whistleblower in Germany who posted the video some some   weeks or months ago   is that   the plan is   to   have these huge   farming plants,   built up. They are now nearly finished, so they are nearly in operation.   And and and the vegetables   planted and grown and there will have,   genetically   manipulated.  

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You don't say.  

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Yes. No. I don't say.  

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It's an English phrase.   May suggest an English turn of   oh, really? Well, that's a that's a shock. So yeah. So,  

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the simple plan is you you you grow some some   vegetables like like cucumbers,   tomatoes,   potatoes, whatever, you name it, with some,   alternated   genome in them which forces them to,   grow a certain bacteria   within these plants.   And it's indoor farming, it's biological farming, yes, okay, and then it comes to the shelves at at as a normal food, as a biological food, maybe,   and you buy these,   vegetables and you eat them, and what you get is not a normal cucumber, but a cucumber with bacteria X.   Mhmm. And this bacteria X, you might have heard about it, is the reason for the so called disease X,   of which,   Bill Gates and other people are talking,   that   that's somehow a certain pandemic disease x might come in the future,   and they want to be prepared for this. Well, I know that they are very well prepared for it. Yeah. And and, so I guess this is the real background reason for for these   protests of farmers.  

I know that the farmers have every right to protest and and have every reason   and and have also my   my my full   admiration for for what they're doing. But,   the real reason why they are   organizing   their protest there is something completely  

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different. Yeah. We're being continually I mean, this is a thing that's worked very effectively is to be divided over some issue,   so that we can never get to a point of actually seeing that we've all got the shared interests. I mean,   working with the farmers, obviously,   it's where it's where the it's where those people come from that enforce these authoritative dictates. Why do they exist? I mean, I know that they exist. I was told years ago that the the people at the top are not gonna be your problem. It's your next door neighbor who puts on a uniform   and because the order set is now   programmed into his or her head, they become your enemy because they will enforce things   to get paid. That's the way I in very simple terms, they will do this because they still are obviously tightly linked   with that, because they're gonna pay their mortgage. This is understandable. It works.  

I've mentioned here before,   I haven't mentioned it for a few months yet, but there's always plenty of time. I'm always talking about the French Revolution update. It's still the same, everybody. I haven't done an update on the French revolution recently.   But if you look into that one, it's not French.   And again, it's a case of dividing   people that were effectively unified and could have easily achieved a peaceful outcome to a whole thing. But agitators were in there,   whipping them up, working very hard, and paying the necessary people off to bring them into a state of hysteria,   which then exploded. All, you know, it was touch and go whether they brought it off, but they did bring it off. And, of course, France was the worst for it in my view, quite clearly, I think, when you look at this stuff.  

So in terms of of look the food situation, of course, is a major threat. And we are aware, of course, of the Holodomor   in the Ukraine in 19 thirties. So this is not a new tactic. And I think even Churchill employed it in parts of India to sort of starve a lot of Indians, you know, big tough guy that he was.   So though, you know Not for  

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not to forget the 12,000,000   Germans who died of starvation after the 2nd world war. Absolutely. In the in the so called Rheinwiesenlager   people   alone, 12,000,000  

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Yes. Starved. Well, as we've discussed before, I mean, on what's not known by most people is that more Germans died immediately after the war than during it,   which which reveals exactly what the plan was. And of course, all these sentences that they come out with about other groups being the target for extermination   turn out to be the complete farmer   to   farmer to to contact.   I'd like to talk to more than 1. I don't know what it's like when you get what's a collective of farmers, I suppose. I'd like to get some farmers on,   a gaggle of farmers or a herd of them or whatever, but I would, to see what their ideas are about trying to form some kind of,   supportive relationship with the consumer because   people will when thing when the food dries up And of course, you   see, the thing is that there's no reason for it to dry up. But of the psychological   message that they're putting out is that it might.  

And that's having the necessary effect of inducing the fear causing people to become slightly dysfunctional in the way that they think and do things. I've said this before. It's not as if the actual event has to take place.   The mere fact that they say it's going to and propagate it through people's heads achieves a huge part of the desired result in terms of making people slightly defenseless against things.   So   it's,   I mean, we've got a champion farmer over here on TV,   Jeremy Clarkson.   He's not really a champion farmer. He used to run,   he's known as a sort of forthright guy who used to do this great show about cars.  

Top Gear, it was called.   And, it was it just developed into a kind of witty spontaneous   group ensemble. But he's also a farmer. He's been doing a series that's been on Amazon. And I I even had my suspicions about that.   I don't really have my suspicions about him. But in the grand scheme of things, the idea that they're putting farming across is almost like to get people looking at it more and more and more, which we need to.   And then you realise that for most of your life you've been unconscious about it because the supermarket. Right? The supermarket. Everything's always in the supermarket.   When you were talking earlier there about,   empty shelves in Britain, I found it's intermittent,   actually.  

There'll be times when it just appears normal. And then other days, I've gone in and certain things that were nearly always there,   they just don't seem to be there. So   we still have to find some sort of methodology for dealing with the problem. I mean, does everybody start growing their food at home? It it wouldn't hurt.   But then they'll probably come up with a law that I think they're looking at. Oh, you can't grow things in your own garden. That that that is already the point. That is already the point. Because when you think about this this plan which  

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which may be reality that we're talking about food plans delivering   genetically manipulated   food and vegetables which we then were will   will be forced to eat, then the only solution, the only two solutions I can think of is either you have a a local farmer in your village,   whom you trust, of whom you know that it doesn't   use Monsanto seeds but but a natural older salts   and and where you can get your food   locally   and of whom you know that that he will deliver, he is able to deliver and he wants to deliver   and the other solution   is, you must do it yourself, at   home.  

And   what we already heard from our famous friend Klaus Schwab   is that,   local   farming at home,   leads to global boiling.   So, it will be forbidden. This is exactly the plan,   because of,   CO2 footprint, whatever,   and,   so the the only possible solution will be eliminated   by this.  

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Well, we don't want too much CO 2, do we? I mean, it's very very bad for us because Klaus says and he is our friend, of course. He's really thinking of others. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course he is. He's a lovely man. If he is a man, I don't know what he is really. I mean  

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You you never can be sure. I I just just yesterday,   I read that, Emmanuel Macron's   lovely wife,   forgot to say, to tell us something.   I saw a picture which was very similar to the wife of   our American friend,   Barack Hussein Obama.   His wife, Michael,   Michelle, sorry,   also forgot to tell us something. What's the heck do we talking about?  

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Mick. Call him Mick. Sorry.  

[01:50:00] Unknown:

Mick. Mick. Yeah. Call call her. You call her. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.   It's it's it's every everywhere are the same. It's Emmanuel Macron's wife. It's it's Obama's so called wife.   It's it's chair. Even even chair.   I couldn't believe when I saw the picture.   There are so many.  

[01:50:21] Unknown:

Well, it's part of the isn't it part of the sort of demoralization   attack?   The idea is literally to subvert every single area of our lives that we've come to rely upon as possibly having a modicum of truth in them. And suddenly, you find out that   together, I don't know whether it's a combination of money, threats, bribery, corruption, whatever, the whole lot,   they all appear to be, you know, calmly saying the same things. There's too much carbon dioxide. It's not possible.   I've seen some of these interactions with these muppets that say this. To actually get their brain to work properly and understand that we need more carbon dioxide. That it's lovely. It's great. The trees love it. And they give us lots of oxygen. So what are you talking about?   So there's nothing.  

None of the arguments are arguments really. They're not meant to actually make any sense because they don't.   And this sort of introduction of, what would you call it? Marxist rhetoric,   idiotic ideology   has just been ramped more and more and more this century. It certainly wasn't after 911, but the last 5 or 6 years or so, they've just gone absolutely bananas on it. And, of course, we tap into these agendas that The UN have got, you know, 21 and 2030.   They're on track to sort it all out.   And the main problem or a key aspect of it is that there are   no characters in the media,   not that I watch it anymore,   who actually stand up to these people and start giving them a verbal tongue lashing and mocking them. They've all been moved out. There's there's literally no journalists left. I mean, you know, that's, it's not saying too much. Yeah.  



[01:51:57] Unknown:

In in Germany, we have,   that sometimes we have the situation that that a formally   very well known,   speaker of   of ZTF, the 2nd German Television   or the AID, the first one,   goes,   leaves his job   and enjoys his pension. And then after he quit his job,   suddenly he changed his mind completely and   and then pops up in in some independent areas   and channels and telegram, etcetera,   speaking about   what the mainstream media   does wrong   and,   what he partly was forced to say,   about certain things.   There was also, I remember it was   5 or 6 years ago, there was,   a weatherman   Yeah. Who suddenly spoke about chemtrails,   life on television. He was fired the very next day.  



[01:52:57] Unknown:

Wow. Who was who was that journalist?   Was it Udo? Was that his first name? Blonde hair, glasses.  

[01:53:03] Unknown:

Udo Ulfkate.  

[01:53:04] Unknown:

That's Ulfcutter. Yeah. Now, they did away with him, didn't they? He came out and just said, look, I've been basically an asset of the CIA. I've been lying to you most of my life. I've had enough of it. I remember that.   He he didn't make 60, did he? I think he was gone sometime in his mid fifties. Of course, keeping these stories alive for us is tricky. We don't have all these resources. When you look at sort of news organizations, they've got thousands of people working in them, basically,   full on lying, non stop. All of them, of course, thinking that they're telling the truth, which is very bizarre.   You know, they're very odd individuals. Meanwhile,  

[01:53:37] Unknown:

since since last, let's say, 40 years, the the people in charge all went to the same,   school education with with the same lies   and and part of those   former pupils   became teachers, and and those teachers again taught the same lies to more and and new pupils. And so we are talking   about what 4 or 5 generations   who have gone through these schooling systems   being fed only with lies. Lies   about everything about about   history,   economy,   science,  

[01:54:13] Unknown:

everything.   Everything.  

[01:54:16] Unknown:

Where wherever you look at, you find lies   and and lies on on on very important   details. Yes. It's not only history. History is of course, the   the the best thing what you can can look at when when you want to target lies easily.   But but when it's about science, it it's it's not very much different.  

[01:54:37] Unknown:

It's not really. I mean, science is, you know, it's it's   on its way or wants to be on its way to becoming the new god for everything. Technology, this is gonna solve our problems. But of course, it isn't gonna do that. I tend to think of science as a discipline that's very useful when applied to the tools that we need. We're great toolmakers,   you could say.   But my definition of it is, science is a skill set that aims to be less wrong tomorrow than it was today because it's continually adjusting where its focus is. And that's fine. I'm not actually using it as a criticism. I'm just observing it. But some of these people in that field go, we know the absolute truth. And I go, you absolutely do not.   Wouldn't you if you look at the history of science, doesn't that show you that all those previous scientists prior to you, they were they were all saying it wrong because you've discovered this new particle or you've discovered this new force.  

There's so many different aspects of things that get discovered. It's very useful that people do that. But it's when they say, well, you know, what's that thing? When you've got a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. I often think that they're like that science is going to solve everything. I no. It's not.  

[01:55:39] Unknown:

That's that's only one one one side of it because,   what what you are now telling is is that the the normal,   evolution of knowledge.   Now, it's it's very much visible for for nearly everyone that we do not have only the evolution of knowledge but only also the   the deformation,   and and the the crippling of knowledge, by force, by will, by agenda.   Mhmm. So,   the so called scientists,   who now claim that that,   CO2 is a bad thing,   I guess   many of them   think that they are right.   That may be true. Yeah.   Yeah, they shouldn't be named scientists, but but some of them know that they are lying and they are lying   because they are told to do so or they are paid or both to do so.  

And some of them even have the wish because they think   there is a higher reason,   and and justification for what they are doing. Yes. And and   there can't be a justification for telling a lie. No. They can't.  

[01:56:51] Unknown:

They can't.   It's a these are the strangest times, that I could think would have ever befallen us. They're very odd. They're not quite how any of us, I suppose, expected things to go. And the main thing or a key aspect is the compliance of so many people with ridiculous   instruction sets. It's to me, it's bizarre. It's also extremely it's scary   because then it's it's about the people around you actually sort of getting out of kilter. Thomas, we're coming towards we're coming towards the end of,  

[01:57:18] Unknown:

the the formal part of the show. There there is usually That that you you might give me the the chance to to remind you of what we were, talking about just before,   2 or 3 days,   about,   citation.   And what you were telling just now reminded me of that. Yeah.   We were talking about truth and and and lies, and and I told you,   who doesn't search the truth will not find it.  

[01:57:46] Unknown:

Yes.   This is true.   It's all about an attitude. I think it's definitely about an attitude.   I've been talking here. We're coming to the end of our stint on WBN, 324. We'll be back again at the same time next week, which will happen to be 8 PM in the UK and 4 PM US Eastern because we're still on a time lag. So apologies for not letting everybody know that. My guest tonight has been Thomas Anderson, and he may be hanging around for a post show.   We'll still be talking a little bit on Rumble, but we're coming off the main radio stations now in about 45 seconds.   So,   I'll wrap it up in a formal way. Thomas, it's been great that you got here and, of course, because we only got half of you for this part of the show, the the the invites are open to come on and finish the other half. Maybe you could come for the first hour and another one and then shoot off or something. I don't know.  



[01:58:36] Unknown:

I don't mean that. So I will leave for the motorway then the next next part of the second hour. That's fantastic. Okay. Brilliant.  

[01:58:43] Unknown:

So that that's I'm here with Thomas. If you wanna carry on listening, we're gonna be on Rumble for a little while, just a few minutes, and then we'll give you indications of where there's a post show taking place in another in another format. Thanks very much, Thomas.  

[01:58:55] Unknown:

Thank you.