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Broadcasts live every Thursday at 8:00p.m. uk time on Radio Soapbox: http://radiosoapbox.com

We talk with Darren Nesbitt, editor of the Light Paper, a physical newspaper. Darren talks about his journey as a musician, his hit song, and how it led to his involvement in the truth movement. They discuss the challenges and successes of the Light Paper, its role in spreading truth, and the importance of professional presentation in media.

[00:00:26] Paul English:

Well, hello.   Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, good middle of the night to you, and all that kind of stuff. It is,   Thursday the 30th November. November's nearly over.   This is Paul English Live.   And hello, and welcome back. A week's a long time in something or other, somebody once said.   It's certainly a week in which it's got a lot, lot colder over here. This is Paul English Live. We're with you every Thursday from 3 PM to 5 PM US time, 8 PM to 10 PM for listeners in the UK.   And, later on tonight, I've been doing a little bit of promotion for this show. But when I say later on, not too late on. Hopefully, in 15 or 20 minutes once he's rocked up. We'll be talking to Darren Nesbitt, who is the editor and big cheese of the Light Paper,   a physical   newspaper. You remember those? We'll be talking quite a bit about physical newspapers.  

I won't be talking about Napoleon this week. Oh, I just have. Actually, well, I won't be talking about the Napoleon film in the preamble that opened in 15, 20 minutes.   I've got a few little facts about him that I picked up from elsewhere.   Yeah. Well, I think I'll just cut that short for this week. Hello. Welcome to the show. This is,   week 13, isn't it? And,   I keep saying I should stop numbering them. I can't seem to get out of the habit of doing that for some silly reason. I hope you're nice and cold. I am.   I don't see why I should be any colder than anybody else. It was quite balmy this time last week, not with an r, but with an l.  

And,   today I woke up, and it was 4 degrees. It's a little bit little bit crisp actually.   So, not crisp and deep and even. There was a sort of complete absence of,   of all sorts of, little things. And,   so we were hang on just a second. I have a little task to do. Let me just,   let me just,   oops. Just a minute. Just do that. Oh, hang on. I've got a new toy today.   Yeah. You can't see it, but I can.  

[00:03:54] Darren Nesbitt:

There we go.  

[00:03:56] Paul English:

Where is that? Oh, that's a Oh, that's a that's a bit much, isn't it? Hang on just a minute. Hang on just a minute. So there we go. Anyway, that's a preview of all the fun and games we're about to have. That's, my, that sounded a bit lively than than where I am.   So I hope I hope you didn't lose your breakfast or your supper or whatever when you heard that. So,   yeah, with you for the next couple of hours. That was a a preview of of the   of something or other. I wanted to talk a little bit before we bring Darren in in a little while.   I wanted to talk to you a bit   about the Irish situation,   which is heavy,   which   is, been brewing for some time, not just in Ireland. In fact, we have these   moments, do we not, of these   explosive bits of violence which occur,   and then are brushed over, and then are swept out of the consciousness. It happens repeatedly.  

All sorts of   terrible things happen, and yet we are pushed on to the next the next thing. Here's a little clip from a comment. I can't make out whether she's really Irish or American, but,   this is just a little comment which will probably strike a chord with you.   Oh, I can see what I've done there. I've done something stupid.   You know, I do this every week and one day   day one day I won't do it anymore. So and it's always stealing my thunder by pressing all the wrong buttons,  

[00:05:25] Unknown:

and then I tell you that I pressed the wrong buttons. Here's the clip. The stabbing in Dublin, you know, it's not the first time at all that we've had a a migrant come into   any of our countries, really, in Europe and stab random people, stab children, stab women, or elderly. Usually, they go for, you know, like, easy targets, so to say. And the list of of of people who were sacrificed on the altar of of multiculturalism   or diversity   is endless, you know. And you would never hear about it really in the media because they would like to cover that up, obviously, you know. Because God forbid that people know the truth  

[00:06:00] Paul English:

and actually hold the establishment Hang on just a minute.   There we go.   That's fine. So just welcoming   someone else into the studio, and I think you can both hear me in the studio. So I've got a new toy this week. It's all a little bit different.   Unless, let me just check on this, see if, somebody wants to say something.   Hi. Well Pail, was there a bit feedback you wanted to give me at this stage or what?  

[00:06:27] Unknown:

Just tuned in. I'm looking forward to the show.  

[00:06:31] Paul English:

Alright. Cool. Yeah. Alright. Cool. New interface is good.   Super. That that's great. I thought I was maybe not going out, but I am going out fine. I'll just put you on mute for a while. Just hold on for a second.   So   yeah. Oh, back to the Irish situation. I've got too many buttons here, haven't I? Back to the Irish situation.   I saw that Conor McGregor had stepped in, and I came across a post as well. And I   you know, many of us, of course, have felt   that these events have got to keep moving in this   unpleasant   and challenging   situate direction. And the reason is, it seems to me, is that the powers that should not be   absolutely want this. The whole situation is designed and has been brought to a boil slowly and inexorably   to result in events like this.  

And,   the really strange thing, or the really I can't say humorous. I mean, I have sort of   thought of it in a humorous way, but it's not humorous because people are getting stabbed. There's nothing humorous about that at all. This character   who is the Tausich,   I had to go and look that up. I think I pronounced it correctly. If anybody thinks I pronounced it massively incorrectly, you can let me know.   But, the Taoiseach,   is a gentleman who is not Irish.   Or am I missing something?   And his speech,   with regards to the events,   was ridiculous,   of course, but what do you expect?  

And I also came across a post which I don't have here. It doesn't matter because I didn't really want to read it out verbatim.   But the situation,   as he expressed it, or that someone had put in the post,   was that a senior politician in Ireland had been responsible for the arrival of this particular individual who has carried out this attack. You may be familiar with the attack or at least remember the attack that took place in France about 6 to 7 weeks ago with some maniac, again,   an immigrant or whatever words we want to use, in a playground stabbing children there. And,   but in the Irish situation, I understand that there is a a prominent politician   who is directly responsible,   for this individual. And if his name comes out,   then the link will be made. The article seemed to imply that the responsible or the political individual in Ireland that was responsible for this guy was actually mister Varadkar himself. I do not know. I cannot confirm that, but I did see it in a post elsewhere today.  

So,   one of the points I used to make, and I'll I guess I'm just gonna repeat it again. Actually, I was talking to a good friend of mine earlier today, and he brought it up. So he's reminding me, so he can he can take credit for this getting lodged in my head.   But I've often talked about this analogy with who is responsible   for these situations. Obviously, there is an individual that's run around with a knife, and he is directly responsible for those actions.   But the simple truth is that if he were not there, if we were not in that location, and whatever reasons that are gonna come up to explain his behaviour, and we will get the usual sort of pap from the mainstream press to explain it.   The simple truth is that if he were not there,   this event literally could not have happened.  

I used to talk about tigers in Trafalgar Square. Maybe I've already talked about tigers in Trafalgar Square once here on this show, even in the first sort of, you know, 3 or 4 months of it. But the situation if you dropped off 4 or 5000   tigers in Trafalgar Square,   what would you expect to see in 3 or 4 days? Well, you know, considering that nobody was really defending themselves,   you'd expect to see a lot of well fed tigers and a mess.   And but who do you blame? Tigers?   The tiger's just tigering,   in a new environment. Got a lot of, a lot of food to go at. He's gonna tiger. They're They're all gonna tiger, aren't they? They're gonna do what tigers do. Well, it's the same with these people here.   And the whole idea of so called multiculturalism,   and we're all gonna get on,   is maybe possible,   but not under these circumstances, and certainly,   not in such a way done so rapidly that it literally   causes these events, which of course was by design. So if   not if. There are definitely people   involved   who've enabled these situations and continue to enable them to take place.  

And of course within the public space,   here in England and Ireland and Scotland and Wales and Northern Ireland and also across North America,   Canada, the United States, Australia and New Zealand, the people of these nations   have been denied a voice. In fact, we don't have here in England   anybody   communicating   on behalf of the interests of the actual people of the islands. This has been going on for a long time.   And, this has led to, well, situations like this.   Absolutely. I was listening to,   I was listening to Jeff Rents the other day. I played a clip from him last week. Listen to this. This is just another little thing that augments   I know this is a direction that many of you know things are taking,   but it's useful to hear this from different quarters.  



[00:11:43] Unknown:

I think all of you understand   now   the basic mechanisms by which   Western civilization   is being destroyed,   all at the hands of its alleged   governments.   These are not governments of, by, and for the people at all.   These are instigators   of communism   and Bolshevism   and Zionism   forced   forced into the Western white Christian culture.   Just understand it. You all get that. Alright, here's a quick story. I'm not going to read the story, but headline.   UK,   this is the national government,   to advise   that schoolboys   be allowed   to dress as girls   going to school.  

Now, this is just another   nail in the coffin of white Western Christian culture and civilization.   The war on civilization   is intensifying   all the time.   You see what they're doing? They're gender confusing   the whole next generation.   Well, go ahead and dress up as girls if you if you identify as a girl today, that's fine. This is poison.   It's unsurvivable.  

[00:13:07] Paul English:

Poison.   Unsurvivable.   What do you think?   Is it? I think it's survivable, but it's not good.   It's definitely not good.   And,   sorry. I'm just fiddling with so many things. One day I'll get a I'll get a chief fiddler to come here and do fiddling for me. I really will. Hang on, let me re fiddle here.   There we are. I fiddled away.   Yes. So we go from stabbings   to allowing, it's an interesting word, allowing boys to dress as girls to go to school.   So the question is, are there any schools in England? I'm going to suggest to you strongly that there are not.   There aren't any schools.  

There's no point having any schools.   Why would you send the most precious   gift you have, if you're a parent, you will know what I mean,   into the clutches of people who are basically drivers of nothing but an ideology   that is   sick and unwell and is going to harm your children.   So this whole promotion of this stuff into these young   completely   vulnerable minds,   is   how would we describe it? If I get going,   I'll start to run out of adjectives to describe the whole thing,   and,   we don't really want to kind of do that, do we? But the   the situation with the schools is that they're a joke, a sick joke, an evil joke, and it's being told at the expense of, in this case,   English British parents. Why would you even send them there?  

So instead of I think to a great degree, instead of just looking at the political forces as something that's gonna correct our problems,   and I suspect most of you don't look at them like that at all anymore,   It's taken quite a long while, hasn't it? Even for me, I suppose,   to let go of the idea   completely and utterly that the political class is   there to assist with the management of the nation and to see them literally for what they are. Of course, it's been a euphemism for years.   The oh, the bloody government   or whatever or however you may say it in your part of the world.  

You know, the government's this and the government's that.   But all of the governments of all of the nations of the remnant of the Western Christian Nations as we see them today, all of them   are acting in the same way.   They're all got the same types of characters involved.   They're all there to undermine the benefits and interests that are attributable to the indigenous people of each nation,   and they have created situations where antagonisms and conflict are bound to arise because that was their plan all along.   Absolutely,   it's a it's a skull, duggorous form of warfare where we have been undermined   and chewed up, and where we are given no voice to communicate back. And of course the political process may may   may provide a route back into that, but I am   what's the word? Sanguine about it?  

Disinterested in it? Don't think it's possible?   I don't think it's possible.   So all of those all of these events that are taking place across all of these nations, there's obviously a pattern for those of us that are looking for it. You see it. You see the demoralising effect, which is a key part of the whole thing, and we have no voice.   I mean, why is it the case? I don't know where it is where you live, but here in England,   I can't recall one politician speaking out against any of this   at all for the last 2 or 3 years.   Ever since, you know, the COVID   the COVID machine   rolled into town 2 or 3 years ago, we've had nothing   but,   silence really from the political class. There is no   actual genuine communicators in the political class, as I see it anyway. I just can't see any of that going on.  

So that's the only shot. There was one other little thing I wanted to mention to you   and,   that I just wanted to bring up before I bring Darren in   And if I can just find it   and I probably will find it.   Oh, I know. I can't find it because I'm looking at the wrong   the wrong thing. This was just a little something that came across my desk a a little while ago. I've been talking about this,   a few to a few people.   It's to do with   oh, dear. Sorry. Hang on. I'm kind of losing my mind here at times,   which is probably not such a bad thing. Here we   go.  

If I mentioned this last week, I want to mention it again.   So, it's called the degradation of a fan base and hobby.   And I may have gone through it, but I'm gonna go through it again very very quickly. I don't know if you've ever been involved in a hobby, but this is a little this is a little sort of schematic about how a group is broken down.   And although this is done in the context of a game,   and I'm not going to read all the words out. I'm just going to take you through the process again.   You have, say, 2 or more players that are keen on playing a particular game. It doesn't really matter what it is. I suppose in modern terms it would be a video game. Game. You get the idea. And these things got a build up to get their own little cult and fan base or whatever. And then somebody new joins. They don't really fully understand the game, but they come along and they seem to be reasonably keen, and they're kind of learning as they go.   They tell their friends, who are now 2 or 3 levels away from the original players, and they turn up. They turn up because their pal turned up. So it's getting a little bit watered down, but it's still pretty much the same sort of game.  

Then you get members of the opposite sex turning up because they're quite interested that there's a gathering of people of the other sex there, and they think that, you know, maybe there's some pickings to be had.   And then   they attract further people who turn up and go, well, this game's rubbish actually, but we can take advantage of these people that are here.   Slowly but surely, the arrival of new and more and more people as the thing expands in a kind of uncontrolled way   reduces   the quality   and the intensity of the original game. The original players hang on for as long as they can,   but they've kind of lost everything that they sort of built.  

And in due course,   they leave the game, often to go off and privately maybe start up another one. It's the way   human relations tend to work in groups. A lot of times, no doubt, you've been part of things that have grown   and then,   you know, slowly expanded. It's got quite exciting,   and then people slowly come along and disagree, and this sort of builds up and away we go. Well,   although that is although that is a process for a game,   is it not also really the process for the nation?   If you look at what happens to nations, if they're not guarded well, all of them, it doesn't matter which one you're in, what race you're in, what culture you've got, if that happens slowly but surely and inexorably,   the root kind of value of the cultures gets pared down and pared down and pared down. And in in the end or towards the end,   the actual original players of the game, the original people of the culture   feel what's the word? Disenfranchised?  

Moved out?   Ignored?   I think you could say here, certainly I can speak for England, that the English are completely ignored in all of their   political sort of movements or responses,   and they're not heard at all. So,   obviously, it's an analogy about a game,   but it it stems very well,   or moves over very well in terms of looking at the nation and how we, as a culture,   operate.   There you go.   Preeting. You're listening to Paul English Live here at wbn324.com.   We're also on wbn324.zill,   and we're also on,   FreeFall Radio South Africa, and a few other platforms which I will mention  

[00:21:15] Darren Nesbitt:

this.  

[00:21:19] Unknown:

You can stick your new world order up your ass.   You can stick your new world order up your ass.   You can stick your new world order where the sun don't shine but alter.   Stick your new world order up your ass.   Ass. Singing we are the 99%.  

[00:21:40] Unknown:

Singing we are the 99%.  

[00:21:44] Unknown:

Singing   we are the 90.   Together, we are mighty,   we are the 99%.  

[00:22:11] Unknown:

Corporation   up your arms.   Yes, sir. You can stick your corporation   up your arms. Upside.   You can stick  

[00:22:49] Paul English:

Now,   Darren, are you with us?  

[00:22:54] Unknown:

I am.  

[00:22:55] Paul English:

I am indeed. Can you hear me? Can we hear you? You're blowing my head off. Hang on just a minute. Let me just,   speak again.   Okay. Hi there. It's okay. I've I've changed things here a little bit. Speak to me again. Say something lovely.   Good evening. Thanks for having us on the show, Paul. Fantastic, Darren. There we go. You were you were blowing the speakers out. You're so loud, but you musicians are all the same.   Now, Darren, that that song that we were just playing,   that song, that little intro from that song, you might have something to do with that. Is that right?  

[00:23:30] Unknown:

Yeah.   Yeah. That's my song.   That's my song. That's my production.   And, Yeah. It got to number   got to number 1 in the down in the Amazon download. It was number 5 in the national download starts   back in Christmas   2021.   Thanks to, again, the same way that the white paper continues to exist every month. Thanks to people power. Thanks to people going, yeah. We want, you know, we wanna make a statement. So,   great fun. Great, great, great fun.  

[00:24:02] Paul English:

And was was the song was that record how you   kicked off,   your sort of connection to all of this movement, or was the paper   something before that?  

[00:24:15] Unknown:

No. The song the song was written   at the end of 2013.   So my my,   resume,   my story is that,   back in 2011,   I just suddenly got bored of the life that I was leading. Just out of the blue. Stopped going to the pub,   sat down,   and, you know, decided that I was gonna get really serious with the guitar. So, you know, to spend, like, 9 till 5 learning all my favorite songs.   And then I yeah. I had no idea what I was gonna do do with it either.   You know, presumably go busking. I did go busking a bit.   And then in 2013,   I woke up people say 2012. You know, I remember the, the main calendar, December 2012.  

Not the end of the world, but the end of the age. There's no such thing as the end of the world, not even in the bible. It's always the end of the age, aion. The the Greek is aion, which means age. Everybody knows it as eon. That's not the cosmos. It's not it's not world.   There's ages. There's there's there's you know?   Anyway, so so, at the end of that year, we transformed my songwriting because there was so much to write about when you obviously when the veil is lifted and you and you see the world as it really is and all the deceptions and all the just just incredible,   you know,   you know,   difference   and how they're good at it and everything else, which I presume most most of the most of the audience could already relate to.  

For a songwriter,   who's great at, you know,   putting,   getting getting riffs together and, you know, putting the music together. There's, oh, you know, getting getting the actual words. What do we write about? And and now it's like, you know, everything. So that song,   although it's obviously, you know, from from Should We Come Around the Mountain, which all itself has an interesting story,   Obviously, it was a chance for me to put,   you know,   just as many things as I could,   you know, into one song and and try and kinda kinda, a, wake people up, but also say, listen, when you are awake about it, don't don't be scared.   Stand up. Give them 2 fingers.  

You know, we're not we're not having it. Right?  

[00:26:21] Paul English:

No. It's all I mean, I always find it really rather,   exciting to hear masked people saying the word arse. It's quite useful really, isn't it? It's sort of   Yeah. By the way, I'm sorry to be pernickety. Have you have you got something playing in the background there? We got a bit of sort of background noise coming coming back into the   into  

[00:26:42] Unknown:

the mix as it were. Like Yes. It's miss it it's miss Rachel.  

[00:26:47] Paul English:

Is it miss Rachel?  

[00:26:48] Unknown:

And and that's the reason why you don't have a lot louder  

[00:26:51] Paul English:

young young boy in in in the microphone as well. So Alright. Okay. Alright. So Well, it's a bit distracting. Is there anything we can do about it? I mean, I know I'm being a bit punnickety. Is there anything we can do? Because it's a bit sort of getting in the way. I don't know how to sort I can't sort of take that out. What do we do there? Anything we can do? No. You beat me up.   Would he?   Okay. Let me see. Alright. Well, we'll just we'll just have to cope with it, I guess.   Yeah.  

[00:27:20] Unknown:

Yeah. Sorry. I thought I thought it was I thought it was starting at 9 o'clock. So I was kinda hoping he'd be in bed by now, but I am Oh, well, that's alright. That's okay. Well, that's fine.   It probably it probably just fall asleep, at which point I can't I will be able to switch it off.  

[00:27:36] Paul English:

I'm with you. Okay.   Yep. Okay. That's cool. So the the   okay. So we've got we I think what we call that in audio terms, that's called atmosphere. Right? So he's bringing some atmosphere to the proceedings. Okay. I've got  

[00:27:50] Unknown:

you. Exactly.  

[00:27:51] Paul English:

Yeah. There's a bit of a party going on. It's rock and roll and all that. You know what I mean? Yeah. So so the rock and roll stuff, you you're basically you're a musician first. Your your first love, your first sort of area is Yeah. Is musicianship.   You write that   10 years ago, whenever it is.   The the COVID gave   basically gave it a background to to get it launched and push it out. And you were saying, I think, something there that it it got to number 1 or something. What does it is that right? I don't quite I'm so out of touch with how the recording industry and music actually works these days. I mean, I remember singles   back in the sixties and the seventies, 45 RPM singles. I know someone who's obsessed with them. And of course, top of the pops and all that kind of stuff. But do they still have charts and top singles? I mean,   I'm completely out of touch, aren't I?  



[00:28:43] Unknown:

Yeah. It's all streams.   Yeah. But it's all streams. And obviously, the the big record companies can have 1,000,000 and 1,000,000,000 and trillions of streams. So,   whether or not we would have got on the old top of the pops or not, I don't know.   It might might might be down to some some, you know,   anti establishment   BBC producer. But obviously, with the song and the time and all the rest of it, absolute absolutely no chance.   Yeah. So it's it's it's basically streams and downloads.   So in the downloads chart, so people actually buying   buying the thing to own rather than just listening to it and going, oh, this is the latest song by blah blah blah blah. But going I I want to buy this record,   we were   I'm pretty sure we were   we were number 1 on the Amazon chart Yep. And and number 5 on the national chart. So all of the all of the everything together. So that's not bad. We have it's basically a top you know, it was it was a number 5   number 5 download hit, if you like.  

Yeah. Which to be which to be honest with you was 4 and a half 1000. It was only 4 and a half 1000 downloads to get to number 5.   So, you know, you really you really don't need that many. But,   but to us, we're, you know, we're, you know, there's nobody behind us. Was again, it's it's just the movement. That's just the movement. That wasn't that wasn't even our moms and dads and brothers and sisters and what happened. You know what I mean? Yeah. So   so,   you know, testament to them. It's just like I say, it's the same for me. I mean, obviously, whether I'm doing whether I'm doing a record, whether I'm doing a newspaper, whether I'm doing a a festival or whatever or a meme or a poster or what have you,   it's always about, you know, trying to trying to sow seeds and try to send a message and trying to give people a jolt,   and a little glitch in the matrix so that they if they're already questioned, if they're already curious, if they're already ready to drop,   then, you know, it might make them, you know, go go and ask go and ask further questions or, you know, what have you. Yeah. And yeah.  



[00:30:44] Paul English:

So at at 4 and a half 1000, am I is it right for me to assume that you're not driving around in a pink convertible Rolls Royce?  

[00:30:53] Unknown:

Even if it's 4 and a half million   Yeah. I would I I would have a pink I wouldn't have a convertible.  

[00:30:59] Paul English:

Boom. No. And Not in Manchester, you wouldn't. No. That would be very unwise.  

[00:31:04] Unknown:

Yeah. That would be very unwise.   Certain parts of mine, so you'd be absolutely fine. But,   and and I am not I'm no longer there anyway. But,   you you know what? It's really it's really because because because if I was 17   or 20 or whatever and knew that I was gonna have a song that would go around the world and be and be, you know, world famous if you like or what. That that would be like that is success, and that is success.   So I think so. I don't I I don't need to, you know at the end of the day, you know, what what you know, unless you're gonna sell your soul to the devil, you know what I mean, and and it's and it's way too late for me and and and, you know, and and my friends, but, then you you're not gonna make money from music. You're gonna make you can make a little bit of money. If you're solo artist, you can and you really work hard and you've got some great talent, then you can you know, if you're doing it all, you put it all together, you can get a little career going out of it. You don't have to go and sell yourself to to a corporation.   You know what I mean? We have to be, you know,   yeah. Yeah. I'd say you have to work hard, know know what you're doing, know what you want, and and and and and and get really good at it. But,   it's not like I said, it's not about that for me. And and and you know it's not about that for most artists anyway. I don't think anybody's got this this this wild notion,   of of making it big,   even even to even to get, like, a really good decent living wage like a builder would get or or, you know, like a or like a tradesman would get, should we say. Yeah.  

But like I said, for an activist, for an awake activist, don't give a fuck. The only thing the only thing I'm interested in is,   are people playing that tune and all and, you know, and and all people aren't awake hearing them wondering what the hell is going on. And the answer is yes. Yes. Yes. It's not just that tune. It's it's obviously, you know, for for us with the Dazs band released an album,   in August, I think it was. September. I can't remember because because the September, I think. Is about. And I'm doing it for you, but I think it was September.   And there's and there's and there's and there's 10 all the great songs on there as well. You know, we've got a bunch of great truth freedom,   await rock and roll type songs.  

And,   yeah. And and, again, that, you know, that that success is, you know, be   be having written them, get gotten them down, and and have them recorded,   You know? It's all about,   you know, what what do those what do those songs say. I mean, for me, I don't know about you. I I I can't it's very hard to listen to anything mainstream apart from pretty much Bob Marley.   It's it's very hard because it the the the message is so   pants.   Even even though the the music's, you know, you least love the music. It's got that familiarity to it. It's it's it's vacuous. It's you you kind of you knew that that music was there to distract you or to or to get you to rebel against the wrong things or just whatever. You know what I mean? Yeah. So it's very, very hard if you're awake to listen to that now. But, fortunately, we've   got we've got, you know,   obviously,   for myself, I've got, you know, gazillion songs which is wonderful, you know, for for again for a writer and performer. But,   I don't know how many I mean, it's growing. It's ridiculously growing. And we we've got 25 artists for the stand in the light festival next May.  

And that's like a drop in the ocean. You know what I mean?   So so there's more and more coming on board and more and more because I I only wanna listen to a weak artist,   you know, people that get it. People that get the and and then, obviously, I do. You know, I don't want to say everybody the same, but,   like I say,   there's there's so much to say. There's a such a huge   reservoir   of of of,   of, you know, lyrical and creative content when you when you you've lived your whole life,   you know, in in in one frame of mind and see the world as it is. And then you, you know, like I say, the veil is lifted.   And, you know, you can marvel at what they've done, how they've done it, the way they've done it, you know, the psychological   aspect, or just all of it. I mean, you know, it's like I say, it's it's it's a huge resource. It's a huge wellspring   of creativity, of of, you know, lyrical and artistic creativity for,   anybody that's, you know, looking to looking to tap into that.  

And it's you know? And and I see it all over the place. It's not just me. I see I see it all over the place, Paul. It's wonderful.  

[00:35:22] Paul English:

It is. I I guess I've been kind of out of touch with it. You're talking there about the   what's what word should we use? I'm gonna use the word the decay   in the quality of so called popular music. I mean, I think,   I think there's all sorts of factors at play for it. I don't think that there's a lack of talent,   but I I suspect that the talent well, I'm not more than suspect. The talented musicians   are not the ones that they're looking for.   These are not these are not the musicians that you're looking for, that kind of thing, you know, to paraphrase Star Wars. They they don't the industry doesn't want that.   And it's that's the problem with it. It's become an industry   in many ways, you know. I don't sit around analyzing the music industry, but I I think   music runs deep with everyone. It's a very,   it really does run very deep. It's,   you know, view certain views on life and education, which I was talking about earlier, you know. People are quite   quite keen to talk about   education because there are things that we've all got in common. But music, of course, becomes your   emotional guideline when you're a teenager. It certainly did for me in the seventies, you know. And I Yeah. I just sort of look back, you know, because I'm very, very old now. And maybe some of the listeners are very old. I don't feel very old. But it's all very strange because   the   something occurred. This is just my perception. Either I got older and just became completely disinterested in it. But   that something   got too sort of,   it's all too produced.  

And one sense that the people that were in I mean, the idea of things like   like boy bands and all this other stuff is ridiculous.   I mean, the thing's being done to death   and everybody was kind of tapping into kind of what   and maybe, you know, in retrospect, it wasn't even natural. In fact, there's a lot of reasons. There's a lot of evidence to show that that what was supposedly this spontaneous rising of hippie music in the sixties and all this other stuff, of course, was nothing of the sort. It's not spontaneous in the slightest. The CIA and all the other sort of mind control agencies   are completely involved. I remember,   Alan Watt, the, the Scotsman who   shuffled off this mortal coil a couple of years ago, He was a very skilled musician.  

And he I remember him saying in one of his shows   that in the early sixties, maybe 64,   65, he was kind of a studio musician or part of the studio band at the legendary, and ultimately,   you know,   Risible because of Jimmy Savile and all these other things, top of the pops.   And he was saying that there were certain people on the floor   who he didn't know should have been there. He didn't know who they were.   Who were these people? And they were talking. They were having some kind of a little conflab   about how to embed   certain lyrics within songs   to continue to amplify, as it were, the role of the teenager.  

And one of the things I've mentioned here, I mean, my dad was born in 1925.   He's no longer alive, but he had a great long innings.   But, in the 19 thirties, he wasn't a teenager,   because they hadn't been invented yet. They they didn't invent them until after World War 2.   And then, of course, this whole culture builds up around the teenager, because I actually was one in the 19 seventies. They were official. We really existed back then. And,   they built all this sort of music market to tailor to it, and it kept on separating to a great degree, you know, the connection between sons and daughters and their parents. And that was definitely part of the plan, I think.  

[00:38:48] Unknown:

Yeah. Help helping to break up the family. I mean,   you know, it it it's it's disappointing   as a musician,   who, you know, loved all all that stuff. I mean, and whether it's 50, 60, seventies, eighties, nineties, they do make a difference,   you know, whichever area you're from to know that all of it has been chosen and molded and guided to to to get young generations to believe, you know, Exactly. To to to disrespect your parents,   to,   disrespect I mean, it's just part of that progression, that progressiveness.   It's it's it's it's cultural marxism. It's Frankfurt   School. Yep. It's it's it's Lenin's, you know, handbook of communism.  

You know, there's no, you know, there's no conspiracy theory here, unfortunately. Like I say, the point is that it's disappointing.   You know, where where seeds inside the canyon is one book, and then Mark Devlin's musical truth,   is another which exposes,   you know, how how how it's been used, but and and there are and there are a few more, but, obviously, you know, again, once you're awake, it it it just becomes obvious, you know, what they've done with the culture because it's there in film.   I mean, you know, I I think films more probably more varied. There's probably, you know, probably a lot more films made in the sixties seventies, you know, for for different reasons, but in terms of the Hollywood blockbusters and the big ones, I mean, I I tell you, you know, if you ever if you've ever, you know, come come across the cosmology question,   where you realize, well, you know, not only are the moon landing straight, but but, you know, obviously, they they took this picture of the ball earth on the way back halfway back from the moon landing in 1972, which they obviously never went on. So what what's the picture all about? Well, the pictures to get us to convince us that we're in a big universe and all the rest of it. And then when you go, I don't know. That's what Star Trek and Battlestar Galactica and Star Wars and all those were about because they never show you. They show you the rocket's going up, then then they've got to CGI or whatever or they're they're on the moon, they're on the space or whatever it is. And then in between, you've got you've got 20 years or 30 years of watching space movies where you see outer space and all the rest of it. You know, as it as and you see outer space as it almost is from Earth because every single shot from of space, from the moon, the spaces where you can't either call us these stars, or they don't look any more amazing than they do in the epicardly pheasant.  



[00:41:00] Paul English:

So, I love the space movies, Star. I mean, I I was I do. I do. I was in the target market for space movies. I mean, basically, I think the previous generation, my my cousin who was 10 years older than me, so he was born in the fifties.   He was a cowboy kid. Cowboys. Right. Because he was cowboys in the fifties and the early sixties.   And then then Neil Armstrong comes along, and it's all spacemen. I remember there was a toy I got when I was about 12 called Oh, major man. Barry.   Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Space Odyssey. Yeah. It's a good song, though. You know, and, even though he's a Multimedia.  

[00:41:36] Unknown:

Multiconicap.  

[00:41:37] Paul English:

It's very interesting, David Bowie, you know, because,   obviously an odd fella, but wonderfully bright. And so so he's a a great contradiction, and that's all part of it.   My dad, of course, came from a very traditional upbringing and didn't like pop music at all, and I'm really rather proud of him for that. I think that he he took he took the right and he would bad mouth this stuff to me while I was 12 or 13, and he did right. But it Was it a classical or jazz or what though?   You know what? We we had one of those little sort of dance set radio,   gram players in the house. Yeah. Yeah. All I ever remember was my mom's collection of musicals, which I couldn't stand. There was one of South's goddamn musicals. No. No. I just you you know, film, I like. Music, I like. Mix them together. I'm out of here. I just don't wanna know. It just doesn't  

[00:42:24] Unknown:

work. It just doesn't work for me. And I I know that's a person that, you know, that for, that's a personal taste. If you're rather going, oh, yeah. I love musicals or what have it. And that's fine too, you know. It's not. You're right. No. I'm with you. You're right. You're right. My my wife's my my mother-in-law,  

[00:42:40] Paul English:

she's no longer alive either. This is like an old anecdotal gasbag session, isn't it? But   she she spat feathers at musicals. She would she absolutely detested them, and I said, oh, we're gonna get on great. You know, when I first heard her. She really liked me. I said, I hate them too. I couldn't stand it. But my mom used to sing around the house a lot. They and they had certain pieces of music. I mean, there was Dave that Dave Clark,   not Dave Clark,   Brubeck, you know, Take 5. That was that's a fantastic piece of music. It's just great. Yeah. So in spite of the industry controlling it, there's always been certain things that have come through   that they weren't in control of. I think there were certain massive bands that they weren't in control of really,   as well. So   and I never really listened to the American stuff. I was only listening to,   you know, British bands, really, and then got into listening to blues music later on, and that sort of took over my life for a bit. So I'm not a musician now, but I was pretty active when I was about 19 to 23, something like that. And we used to play in pubs up north and stuff, and all these sweaty farmers would turn up and   and and they would never react to anything that we did.  

And I I   I was no. They're really hilarious. It's very funny. It's like some sort of deadpan situation. We would play for sort of 40 minutes. And I remember playing at this place in Ilkley. Now Ilkley, more Bartai. If you're outside of England, you won't know what I'm talking about. But there's a place in Yorkshire called Ilkley.   It's a lovely place, and,   it wasn't so lovely back in 1982   or whatever it was when we were there. And there were all these incredibly gruff farming types at the back of the road with a pint of mild sat on their stomach looking at us, not moving, nothing. We played for about 40 minutes. I said, we're gonna take a break now because I was the guy doing the singing and everything.   And,   I go to the bar and this bloke comes up to me. He didn't come up. He just sat   next to me. He said, that was quite good that was. Something like that. That was it. I thought, oh, we're in.  

That was a big thumbs up. I thought we're in here lads, you know. We're we're we're going to go down well. So   but,   yeah. Music is a very very powerful thing. I,   it just is. And I get I get pretty obnoxious about it, actually. I don't know about you, but I do. I I was pretty obnoxious, you know, people would say this is good and I would really go,  

[00:44:57] Unknown:

it's not good at all. It's worse than bad. It's atrocious. This is really, really bad. I I I did I did used to be I did used to be really bad with it, but, you know, I it's it's just probably side of age, you know, and and just just and and just and also seeing the world as it isn't and make it make it an effort to let let people be and even with music even with music, which is like, you know, like like probably you, the the core of my life and anyone that knows me, you know, you know, from when I was younger, would be like, get off that stereo.   Yes. It's mine. Yes. Don't do that terrible story and but not but honestly now, it's like, just just let people be because, you know,   you know, they're all in the division. Well, obviously, just turn my music up louder than theirs, obviously. You know what I mean? I'm I'm not completely giving up. I know. It's a I think it's very funny. I mean, you know,  

[00:45:45] Paul English:

it just is. You're making me go all sort of odd now, and I'm I'm sort of 17   again at parties. I remember   fights breaking out at parties.   Ah. Because someone had come up and changed the music,   and people had kept really hacked off. It was serious. It's very heavy. Who put this crap on? You know, that's what would fly around. And then we go, uh-oh. Something's gonna kick off. And and people would be out in the garden, you know, because they don't put this on. It's my party, and all that kind of stuff. So garden, you know, because they don't put this on. It's my party and all that kind of stuff. So it was, yeah. I think, you know, part of it as well,   you know, I was moaning like a sort of good old middle aged fart   that modern music is not that good. But that's it's been that way for a long time. But I think, I mean, there are all sorts of reasons. One of them Yeah. I mean, look. Yeah. I think one of them is the arrival of computers.  

If you think about all the talented the talented people from each generation have kind of got something going on. Now I got   I got the music of the seventies as a teenager. I think I got quite lucky. That's what I think. Because it was a real event. You know, albums were coming out. We used to buy albums. This was our life. I didn't have a computer. I read books. I listened to LPs. I sat around in my mate's house. We couldn't get in the pub. We used to drink coffee and play table tennis all day Saturday listening to every album he'd got, you know. This is what we did. Yeah. And people go, I've just bought this one. It was like a badge. So there was a whole culture around that, which I loved. Yeah. But it was the only choice you know, it was the only game in town. That's what we did. But now,   you know, the obviously, the Internet has has changed   everything in such a way,   and I've been, you know, in it and on it. And I'm pretty up to speed with it for about, you know, 30 years now. It's absolutely ridiculous.  

I can't believe I've been 30 years. I've been online since 1993. Is that right? No. Yeah. It's true.   So I don't know where the time's gone, but I  

[00:47:30] Unknown:

it's it's I know. The cultivation of power.  

[00:47:33] Paul English:

I don't know where's it gone,   You know?  

[00:47:36] Unknown:

They're alive.   There's a there's a there's a real addiction in in not only being able to communicate,   and but but but also just connect and share   with people of the like mind everywhere. Because you go to the local pub, you're say, you we used to go to the local pub, you hang out with your mates from and your mates if either from school or from work or your family knows their family or whatever. You know what I mean? Just some kind of local connection somewhere.   Now you can do that with a 100 or a 1000 different people all over the world. And, obviously, you can't sit in the same room with them, not right away.   Yep. You have developed that obviously through the through the truth movement. We recognize the importance   of developing   real local networks and friends that you hang around with, you know, all the time. And that was one of the reasons why we started,   the light we started the light, baby, because we we want we wanted to do a,   you know, put a proof of truth paper out there and and and let people know what was going on. You know what I mean? We were doing flyers. We were doing protests, etcetera, etcetera. This was something, obviously, like a step on. But I also realized that if we're gonna do it kind of relay in a relay form, so people were gonna meet each other and and get together and and it was gonna form helpful local networks.  

You know, absolutely right. So we're kind of we're kind of going helping it go full circle because that's what we need to do really. I mean, obviously,   views online for as much as we possibly can. Until we bring in digital ID and and and, obviously, you know,   screw screw everybody over.   Stop stop stop you going on it, basically,   unless you have one of these things. Mhmm. At which point at which that is the point, you know, hopefully that that that all these activists are gonna go, yeah. Okay. I've had enough of it.  

[00:49:18] Paul English:

So I'll cover that 27 things in in one go there from No. No. It's great. I I I I'm the same way. I like that. I think it's good. You should cover everything. We can dart around all over the place. I think it's important. Cool. Okay.   I'm not we're not here to sort of give a lecture or anything. The idea is to is to really just sort of, you know, express ourselves, I   guess, in the face of complete organized, you know, evil. I mean, there's no other way to describe it. That's exactly what it is.  

[00:49:43] Unknown:

Well, you know what? What's what's funny is it's evil at the top but it's using it's using humans   best and worst. It's it's human human all human's qualities   to do to do to, you know, to direct them in in in the wrong direction. And,   I mean,   it's it's the whole society. We we need to give our heads a complete wobble. You know what I mean? Because you kind of accept that, and and, you know, the the oh, the you know, pop music today is is is definitely terrible. My you know, pop music in my day was was was better, and and we all think that. But compared to Mozart or Beethoven or Bach or or any of that stuff. You know what I mean? In any way, shape, or form, apart from, say, yeah, lyrically.   And I I actually I can't stand off for it. I've got to say I'm still I'm still not a fan of it. But in terms of actual musicality,   in terms of, you know, quality and depth and and all the creativity. I mean, we still we still know where where where we're near 2, 300 years ago, and that's not just music, though, is it? That's art. I mean, it was about modern art. It's just lines on it. I'm not painting that, you know, we we pay you know, sold for a 100 it's a blue splash law or a red splash law. I can't remember now. Just shy, basically. It's shy. Whereas whereas, you know, you've got Rembrandts and and vermichellis and all the rest of it from the 16th, 17th, 18th centuries. And and, you know, and and and they're they're incredible works.  

We've purposely been degraded.   We've purposely been denigrated and sending us backwards because it's it's true of architecture as well. You know, look look at the buildings, the amazing church. Look at the look at the Westminster Abbey from 17th century and all. And then nowadays, we've got this these glass concrete   horrible prison type looking buildings but just square flat or or uninspiring buildings. And it's all there on purpose. They've transformed the world   into   a shithole, if you like,   on purpose because that also helps denigrate   all the population as well.  

Which shows you all of this I'm just gonna finish this point off. All of this. I mean, you want the poisoning and blah blah blah. All all of it. Right? Bad music, bad architecture, all of it. But it shows you   how amazing   mankind must actually be, how amazing you   you you and I must actually be   for them to go to all this trouble,   to screw the environment, to screw   our natural to screw with our electromagnetic   waves and just everything, just to keep us down so badly,   you know, so they can control us and and do what they wanna do. But that shows how amazing we actually are. So if you can, you know, on an individual level,   you know, filter your water, eat right, avoid, you know,   to EMFs and and all the rest of it as much as you possibly can, then, you know, you're gonna be okay.  



[00:52:26] Paul English:

We I think we have a lot of work to do to maintain   okayness. You covered a lot there. I mean,   as you were talking about architecture,   people have listened to me over the past few weeks. My jaw was tightening like this, and I would my face was turning to granite.   And,   because   I view I view that obviously, brutalism is what it's called. The sort of, you know,   we it first arose   under communist rule in Russia, all this kind of Eastern European miserable   cities or shitties they should be yeah. But, of course, it's designed exactly for that effect. And when people are running around championing this spurious non existent condition called equality,   it's a condition never ever yet witnessed in the whole of creation and it never will be. Nothing is equal to anything else. It's you know, I've said this before. The only place in which the word equality is useful is in the realm of mathematics.  

Then it works. But that's that's an abstract language for describing things and it's very very useful, of course. I'm not denying that.   But the idea that people say, well, we need more equality.   You realize you're dealing with someone who's only thought of things at the very first level of thought. They've been taught that.   They're saying, well, equality is a thing worth pursuing and, of course, it can't be attained. So you're a maniac for even wasting your life trying to do it. And what you're talking about there in terms of   art   and all of these things I mean, if you look at the sort of societal structures going back to a 300 years,   the the the people that were let loose on a canvas,   I remember saying something about Michelangelo. They wouldn't let him loose on a canvas for 5 years.  

He wasn't allowed to do that. He had to study, you know, with someone else, with an established master,   and would fill in or do backgrounds or do stuff and then talk and do things. After 5 years, yeah, we'll let you have a go now. Of course, he turned out to be rather good. But this this whole process of raising   the highest is something that, of course, the equality mongers, the globalists, don't want. They don't want people being exceptional.   And what they've also created is a culture, a false culture of jealousy   that we should all be equal and all have a same chance. We don't have a same chance. We're not equal, but we managed to find a way to look at the best of the people that we produced   like Rembrandt,   like Shakespeare,   like the great architects and go, I am so glad these people have done this. That's how I respond to it. I'm so glad that this stuff is here,   that these people have exceptional tonnage to get something done, and we can see it.  

I mentioned,   yeah, go on. Sorry.  

[00:55:06] Unknown:

I'm just gonna say, you know, you need to keep raising the bar.   You know what I mean? You need to keep raising the bar. But at at some point in the future, if if we, you know, let it let this carry on, it's not it's not gonna get carried on because, you know, it it it will just end. It it will end when enough people know that that day is coming soon. But,   sorry. I forgot the point. I don't  

[00:55:26] Paul English:

It's alright. I do that all the time.  

[00:55:28] Unknown:

Yeah.   Yeah. But it it flashed in the flash  

[00:55:33] Paul English:

all It's fine. It's because you've got 5,000 thoughts whirring through your head. I mentioned earlier This is a good thing. I've been you you might you would have heard it, but I've been drowning on about the French Revolution and Napoleon as a sort of little sub narrative for the past few weeks, actually, probably ever since it started.   And, I've not got around to actually seeing the Napoleon film just yet, which I was kind of hoping to, but it was good that you you turned up on. We got this going this week. Maybe next week. I'll I'll have seen it by then. I don't wanna talk about it. I'm not reading the reviews. I've heard certain awkward things about it. But,   with regards to art, I came across a wonderful documentary   on YouTube,   made about 5 or 6 years ago. The narrator is Jeremy Irons, the actor, which people might be familiar with.  

And it's,   I forgot the title of it actually, but it's Napoleon, the art of blah blah blah. He was the greatest looter of art in all of military history.   And it's really interesting. Yeah. The basis of his looting, he he looted   absolutely practically everything they had from northern Italy when they when he decide, well, I I'm the emperor of France, but I I really do need to be the king of Italy as well. So he became that too.   And he understood,   he understood the power of art,   in   a in a very exacting sort of way. And yeah. And they showed you some of these canvases that they brought. But   one was the one of the biggest canvases ever painted. It was the Last Supper. It was absolutely amazing. I've forgotten who painted it now.  

Obviously, in Italian. Amazing. To tran yeah. To transport it back to, Paris, they had to cut it in 8 parts. So we're quite happy to quite happy to do it. It wasn't Michelangelo. No. It's you it's not a common name, but it's really quite a brilliant painting. And, they cut it into 8 parts, shipped it to Paris,   And and, the Italians have kinda wanted it back. They said, well, we can't ship it back. If we if we cut it into 8 parts, you'll never be able to put it back again. We we can only cut it into 8 parts once. If we do it again, you won't be able to stitch it back. You won't be able to stitch it back. Think of it. Yeah.   But, It is Da Vinci. Right? No. It's not. No. I I can't remember the name. What an oaf. Right? And I was only watching it this afternoon. I just, you know, I haven't had time to read things. So when I'm doing certain stuff, I'll I'll sort of try and get some documentary on and sort of, you know, get my head filled that way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's yeah. It's   it's astonishing   stuff. And, you know, the   that thing that Dostoevsky   said, beauty will save the world. He's right. This will become   much more obvious to people as we go through, as they seek to surround us with all this ridiculous misery. And   they're very, very dangerous people, the people that champion mediocrity.  

They're very dangerous,   because they go, we can appeal to the crowd. And, you know, that was one of the things that that came up,   that's very   obvious in reading   about the French Revolution. I'm re I've been going through this book by Nestor Webster.   It's wonderful. It's very easy to read, so I'm still gonna keep recommending it. It's called literally the French Revolution.   And,   as I've mentioned here before, what's obvious is that to get a revolution going,   it doesn't come from the people.   It absolutely did not come from the people. It was a totally organized,   orchestrated,   agitated event,   which cost the lives of I know you're a big artist.  

Absolutely.  

[00:58:57] Unknown:

And, Okay. Cool. Well, I'm on the same page then.  

[00:59:01] Paul English:

Yeah. It's all, you know, it's that kind of thing where where everything is orchestrated and organized by agent provocateur, whatever you want to say. Yeah. And this is true also of the English Civil War and   so called. All of these events   are bad apart from you were mentioning there about your education. Was it you you were saying that the peasants revolt, right, at school?   Well, that one to me   seems to be real. And I would say that what we are kind of involved with is the Peasants Revolt 2.0   because it's what Tyler and those guys, that's genuine. That's really out of the root   of the land.  

And they were being oppressed bad, really bad. And so they just had to kick off, you know. And they had far less resources than we did.  

[00:59:43] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. And the and the chartists.  

[00:59:46] Paul English:

And the chartists.  

[00:59:48] Unknown:

I mean, that was that was later on. And and the I mean,   what the the glorious revolution,   for for me is is the beginning of our of our modern,   our modern,   liberty or I don't know. I've I've got I mean, I don't wanna say the liberal democracy because there there was no the the parliament was nothing in those days, but parliament was there to stop parliament was there   to to reign in the government. You know what I mean? The the MPs weren't weren't weren't with the government. I mean, that's that's obviously become a, a a, you know, quite quite quite a modern thing. You know? But they do things they do things generation by generation. You know what I mean? Decade by decade. It's They do. You know? So so so you forget. You don't notice. I'm I'm throwing so many things at you. And, obviously, now they have the means to do it, We can do a new thing every day,   and people get distracted. It's like, you know, we need to fight this. We need to fight that. We need to fight yoga. We got you know? I mean   Mhmm.  

The the idea is to confuse,   is to overwhelm, is to demoralize, which is why   it always comes back to   sticking to your gums. Now that's on everything. So you as an individual,   yeah, don't care   what anybody else thinks, does, or wants you to do. Yeah? If you wanted I mean, somebody comes through the suggestion. It's a great idea, and you, you know, you you you you're excited by it. Go do it. You know what I mean? But but unless that's the case,   you know what I mean? You you I do. We we can't we we can't we we can do more than one one thing. Absolutely.   And, again, the the the tries to get us from from schooling from the Prussian Prussian education system. And then you you do one thing, and that's it. And, you know, the rest of your time you're just filled with pointless leisure.  



[01:01:30] Paul English:

So you can do more than one thing, but we we certainly can't do more than 20 things or 15 things or what have you. I'm I'm happy to go. We can't. I'll tell you what, Darren, though. There's one thing I need to do right now because we're, we've just gone past the end of the first hour, so we're gonna take a little break. You might recognize this   too. Okay? So here's a little song by Well, it's by you actually. Here we go.  

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[01:07:08] Paul English:

And welcome back to part 2. This is Paul English Live. We're here every Thursday 8 PM to 10 PM UK time, 3 PM to 5 PM   US Eastern Time.   My guest tonight is Darren Nesbitt, the editor of   well, it might be a bit more than the editor, the editor and Big Cheese, I've called him, of the light paper, the light paper dotco.uk.   And, maybe we'll just end off our little musical chat, and then we should start talking about the newspaper here. But what was that that we were just listening to, Darren, during the break? That was, that was People Got the Power by, my fantastic band called the jazz band,  

[01:07:44] Unknown:

and which is, the   sing what was it? It was the first single off,   the album that we just released,   which is called time of the signs, which is available from our sonic, dazband.com,   and on Amazon and Itunes and all the rest of it as well.  

[01:07:59] Paul English:

I quite like that. I thought it was pretty Thank you. Pretty meaty. You do the singing too, do you? You're the tonsils there?  

[01:08:06] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm the I'm the the the the the the singer and the writer.   I I I yeah. Yeah.  

[01:08:13] Paul English:

Yeah. Good stuff. I've I've I've been I've been a show off for a long time. Have you? Okay. Well, maybe I suppose we all need a little bit of that inside us to to sort of do these sorts of things. But,   so we've covered music quite a bit in art and culture. We've actually barely scratched the surface actually. An hour is not long enough. About 50 hours might just about get somewhere headway with it. We need we need a whole radio station, Paul. Well, I think I think we might be getting one of those for the whole of the UK. I think we're gonna put one of those together, Darren. I think that's gonna happen.   Certainly, in the early part of the New Year, we need we need more platforms for people to communicate.  

And speaking of communication, let's go now over to print. The matter of print, physical newspapers,   and the lypaper.co.uk.   So my first question is it might not be my first one. I might have asked them in the first hour.   Is it connected with or is is this a completely   sort of original event and stuff like that? Or is it I I got confused at first when I saw it because I'd been made aware of the light paper in Ireland.   Is there any connection or have I just put your nose out of joint? What what have I said?  

[01:09:19] Unknown:

No. We started the light paper in September of 2020.   Yes. And then,   famous international award winning,   Irish journalist, Gemma O'Dockety   Yeah. Approached   me   a few months later Oh, wow.   And said, hey. Can we do an Irish version of the paper? I was like, yeah. Cool. Sure. Okay. Go for it. And that was that.  

[01:09:43] Paul English:

Brilliant. I didn't know that. So there you go. That's been but it's been worth it for this to let know that. I didn't know that. I I was under a completely   odd impression of what had happened. You know, if you've got a connection with Gem, I'd love to get her on at some point. So that would be great. So but before we before I catch favors off you on air, which of course is disgusting and wrong,   you know, particularly kind of trying to corner you,   what what caused you? How come you decided to go into print? What was happening before you actually got the first issue out? What had happened? I'm interested to know.  

[01:10:17] Unknown:

Okay. Yeah. Let's well, let's set the scene because, obviously, you know, it start it starts with the song,   and then, you know,   through through March, April 2020, it started getting, you know, started getting lots of notifications on YouTube that people were leaving comments and stuff, and it was it was just going crazy and taking off. So it was quite obvious that people will with this COVID thing was wake was waking people up. Yeah.   You know,   all the response to it, everything, basically. They will go and resort all the time at home, so they they were going research and all the rest of it.   It wasn't long before you know, I mean, I I went on my first anti lockdown protest in on it in May of 2020,   and then I went to a couple more, and, you know, the the when I met you there, then the the like, I don't know how these organizations came along, but,   they they started organizing these big protests. So,   we started organizing coaches from Manchester for all for all the people that we knew, and and, you know, we'll fill it up very, very quickly. Mhmm.  

And then we started crowdfunding for flyers. You know? So when, with the with the coronavirus attack 2020, I I drew up a leaflet, designed a leaflet,   that was explained to people, you know,   you know, what what they did and what it could do and all the rest of it, but, obviously, I haven't been on the telephony. You know? Yeah.   And I think we did   I I'm not sure how many we did. A 100,000, 100,000. Just a ridiculous amount. But it was crowdfunding these flyers and leaflets. And then I don't know where the suggestion came from. I don't think it was mine, but but but we've seen the sovereign independent, which is which is an, a, obviously, a similar free freedom paper in Ireland back in the 20 in 22, 2011.   The late there's a lady in Manchester who was who was showing us copies of it.  

And and it was just, you know, very sort of kind of prompts and what have you.   So we went, yeah, let's let's do a paper. There was there was there was 3 of us initially. Was was kinda coming along, and then the 4th guy kinda turned the other 2 people around even though I've been working with them, organizing coaches,   doing these leaflets and everything else. And, you know, they end up sending the messages going, oh, you're the devil. You're terrible and all that stuff. I'm like, what is the what is all that's going on? Yeah. I mean, it was crazy. This is this is the last week before I was trying to get it trying to get it published, and and we didn't have the I did have the funds or,   anything else. So, you know, like on the last day,   you know, some we came through with the fact that, it was it was Hemp Avalon. Hemp Avalon, the guy, free cannabis, he's called. They actually changed his name in Glastonbury. He's got a shop in Glastonbury.  



[01:12:45] Paul English:

Free cannabis? What kind of he's not a hippie, is he? What's going on? He's he's not he's got he's he's got short hair, actually. And he and he Oh, I like him already. He will let you use his  

[01:12:53] Unknown:

He's he's not he's got he's he's got short hair, actually. I mean, I mean, he's I like him already. He wouldn't let you use his electricity for for our gig industry town center one time. But other than that, he's a great guy. Yeah. So so, yeah, this it it it was crazy. It was   but if if you see you saw how it started, how we how we got I was just determined to get that first issue up because we talked about it and to not to not do it, especially in this movement,   to to do to to promise a lot of stuff and all the rest of it and and then and then not deliver. It's like, you know, it's a real disappointment. It's really demotivating,   but also,   you know, there's too much of that. Too much of that goes on. Yeah. I mean, that's changed nowadays, which is great. I think people people   people are now more confident   and that they can do that. I think it can actually pull stuff off.  

And again, that was that's that's, you know, for me, that's one of the big positives of the light paper as well. You know, I say it shows what we can do,   together as a as a network. Not no. There's no big sponsors. There's no big there was no big organization behind it. It's just, you know, it's me. It's it's, you know, the the obviously, the core team and all the people across the country that that that distribute   warehouse and and and all the rest of it, get involved, donate, obviously, and come together in in groups and and give them out roundabouts and all the rest of it.   It's all of us working together, but it also shows that if you've got a good idea,   yeah, and you can tell people about it, you get people that that explain it to people and what have you, and it's it's straightforward. They will get involved. They will get on board. So good good ideas. Have legs. Don't be afraid to to, you know, to push them. But but it's also got to be you. I'll tell you what else to come across quite a bit is, you know, oh, I've got this great idea to such as do you know anybody? Because I'm just thinking it's gotta be you. You're the only person that can do it. And even though you've not done it before, and, again, I hope the people know in 2018,   I was driving the van for Royal Mail. Yeah. Right. And, you know, 3 years later, a national newspaper and and and all the rest of it as well. So,  

[01:14:51] Paul English:

doing things is key. I mean, to just Do do the right thing for the right reasons. Yeah. Yeah. To it's to just do something because   I know there are a lot of people. I've been thinking about this. It's you know, I go through little sort of 2 week periods where something becomes really important to me. I, you know, mull over it and I'll move on to something else. But for the last period, I just keep thinking that   any any project that can be built that provides a place for people to contribute is a good thing. Even if it means things like, yeah, we're meeting at this place, and will you do the washing up afterwards? Yeah. You you see, it's not a matter of kind of what it is. It's the fact that you provide a place for everyone to say, I can do a little thing here to add to the whole. Great. I don't care what it is. We just gotta start doing things in that way. And, of course, you are doing things. And the thing about print I mean, I'm from a sort of print background. I was involved in sort of,   copywriting and stuff in the eighties and got involved in doing a lot of print work for   corporate clients. It sounds awfully posh, doesn't it? But, it was great, actually. I really enjoyed it. And I was involved in business to business marketing, and then I kinda went freelance a bit in the early nineties, and then I bumped into people know this story, but I bumped into a guy, 93, 94, who taught me all about banking and my life changed completely. So this has been sort of like a 30 year   kind of moment really that's that's changing all the time. But print,   the   is very powerful.  

And I like the look of the paper. And I like, you know, so,   of course, if anybody wants to get copies and become a distributor, they go to your website. Right? The lightpaper.co.uk.   I'm assuming that's what everybody should be doing. Right?  

[01:16:28] Unknown:

Yeah. You can, I mean, you you can subscribe, just to get a a, you know, a copy posted to you between 1 5 copies every month, and you can order bulk between,   25 copies for a tenor up to, you know, 1,000 and 1,000 of 10 per copy?   You can actually, do something called wake up.   All that stuff on is on is on the website. Yeah. The light paper dotco.uk.   All and all that stuff, we we need to think about it before. You know what I mean? It was like, I wanna subscribe, and I wanna subscribe for more than 1 copy, and I want I want I want I want I want to be able to buy 10 copies instantly of the of the current issue, and I want to be able to do this. So it's all been added by by by by it's by the people, for the people. And then and then the other,   accusation or what have you that we get is, why do you never cover such and such? And it and, you know, to be honest with you, after 40 issues, 39 issues,   we we have done. You just haven't haven't haven't actually read read much of them or or gone gone research. You just wanna accuse. But,   in the past or or even now, if we haven't covered it, the the answer will be no problem. Do us 800 words on a word dot, you know, on a word dot format type and and email it to us. It's by the people for all the people. So every single month,   we'd get   22 well, we've got about, you know, 30:30 odd articles in and 20 to 25 of them are are are just are just great for the paper.  

For that month as well, which fit it all fits together.   Obviously, I write a few and then, you know, some some get, you know, I asked to, you know, fill in and what have you. But,   obviously, there's there's no I mean, I always I kind of imagine that I I imagine that, you know, we we don't get together in some boardroom, in some meeting room, and hammer out what's gonna be the front page and, you know, kinda like we do with the films and stuff. But now, it's just it's just it's just me and a couple of little folks over the Internet.  

[01:18:11] Paul English:

Well, you know, so well, you don't get into a boardroom yet. I mean, that's what you're saying is that you don't get into a boardroom yet. You'll you'll have a boardroom and there'll be all the all the trappings of a publishing mega empire. Of course, there won't. I'm just sort of hemming it up. There won't be any of those sorts of things. I mean, the thing about,   you know, what you're saying that you basically or what you just said to me was that from the beginning to now, you've been you've been winging it, really. And and you didn't know all the things that were you were gonna have to do. And when that comes along, you go, oh, it looks like we're gonna have to do this now. So we better I mean, that's generally how you you have to start something and just get going. And it's the fact that you're actually doing it. It's just brilliant. I I made up with some people   locally   who I've sort of got to know more fully over the past 2 or 3 years. It might be even longer than that. In fact, I'm seeing them tomorrow night in the pub. Do you remember the pub? I kind of remember the pub. Anyway, so we meet in the pub and,   they,   one of them, or maybe a 2, are distributors of yours because they've always got stackfuls of of copies. And they always give me a copy, which is great. Yeah. And it's in the foyer of their house. It's a nice house and things like this, you know. And I keep coming across it, and it's and it's building up and building and building. And these things are very important to create some sense of connection between people.  

Because, you know, I've talked to people who,   I suppose a lot of people have been pushed into this space obviously or have come to it   because they've smelt that there's something seriously wrong with the COVID   thing,   which they're right to. Of course, not everybody has smelt that, but a huge number have.   And it seems very much to be the basis of this whole sort of   change in, well, mood. I'm not saying it's always good, of course. You know, people have suddenly realized, like I was saying earlier, that just bad mouthing the government is no longer a euphemism. It literally is true that they are   working against our interests 247.  

It's just impossible to deny that. And,   you know, denying people a voice doesn't help and you're giving them one. So I guess   any budding writers or essays or or, you know, bloggers out there, they need if they think they've got articles that would add or complement to your editorial input, you probably wanna hear from them, wouldn't you?  

[01:20:22] Unknown:

Yeah. Completely. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just get get in touch with us by by via the website. You   know, the more the more the more writers, the better. That's how it's gone. You know?   People have said, you know, the the quality has has has improved, the quality of the journalism, the quality of the writing, the quality of the presentation, thanks to,   you know, Mickey who designs it.   And and just all aspects of it is is is is continue to improve.   And, you know, you know, it's important. It it may maybe it didn't used to be.   But   in this information war, how we present the information is is is is almost as important as the information that we're presenting because,   you know,   if it comes across as a fanzine or a rag or here's here's just a piece of paper that printed off, it just doesn't have the same gravitas. It doesn't have the same impact. It's not as likely to get people to look at it. Yes. Yeah. The more professional it is. Same same with the video. If the first 10 seconds, 20 seconds, 30 seconds look great, they look you look professional, looks like it's gonna be interesting, then great. If it's one guy in his camera, then, you know, people aren't generally even though you might be full of the the the best stuff ever,   people are generally aren't gonna aren't gonna pay attention to it. Great memes, great art, great music,   and obviously, you know, great papers, great flyers as well. Just, you know, if you're gonna do a flyer, get, you know, get get somebody to help you design it, get get it to look great, or just fill it with text because, honestly, you'll spend all the money on the printing and people most people won't bother reading it. You're probably better off putting 4 words   on in in in or, you know, on a really colorful, eye catching fly fly you know, flyer with a Yep. With with a nice picture on it.  



[01:22:01] Paul English:

Yeah. It's the wonderful world of marketing. I know it's a dirty word, but it's really,   it's just about effective communications, really. And, you know, trying to get your communication in front of the right sorts of people at the right time and and your everything about it. I mean, you know, there's really heavy topics that I've that I'm pretty knowledgeable about that I don't cover really on this show. I don't think it's necessarily appropriate at this sort of time of the day,   not the evening. I mean, I could do. We could have some out of the hours conversations because there's a very there's historically a very dark and long rooted aspect to all of this and it moves into areas that I've noticed this when I'm talking to people, you know.   This little group, I may have said it before, they're great people and we get on so well. One of them said to me the other week, have you been using as a market research sort of thing? And I went, yeah.  

Absolutely.   Because,   you know, so you must have done this. You start talking to someone,   and things have come on so well, in terms of everybody's understanding. It's getting very interesting. But you you can often be talking to someone and you go a little bit too far with a piece of information, and you can see   that the conversation just ended.   It just ended then. And I got, drat. I wasn't sensitive enough to that. You know, the other part that I have is I'm thinking,   I'm sort of looking at my metaphorical sort of wristwatch going, how much time have we got to get with this, you know? But you've got to just keep doing what you've got to do. I think, you know, it's a grind. I think publishing is, you know, it's not a particularly attractive word, but it's a grind. I know, you know, in pouring over brochures and typesetting and all this stuff, it's about detail work. And if you get it right, although you think, well, nobody's gonna notice, they certainly notice when you make an error. And it and it and it detracts massively, as you were saying, from your brand to use the jargon. It does.   It takes away from it. So the fact that you cover it yeah. Sorry.  



[01:23:51] Unknown:

I always imagine sorry. I   always imagine,   somebody reading on the train, somebody picking up on the train or wherever the chippy, it doesn't matter, wherever.   And, you know, they've never seen it before,   and they might look at the front cover and go, oh, that's interesting, and then see something for okay. I'm gonna return to page 12. Right? So they put it to the special because that's their area of expertise. That's something they know about. It's it's about nuclear power or it's about, you know, the the climate change, climate crisis, where, you know,   and they read it and it might be just information but but there's a typo or there's a or there's a grammatical area or there's, you know what I mean? Or there's there's there's some problem with it and it's like, it just it just takes away that professionalism, that gravitas, that, you know. So for me, honestly, I pour over even though it goes through proofreaders,   it goes through sub editors, It goes through, you know, all kinds of processes   for the last 2 or 3 days of the paper before I read through it almost twice word to word. And I still miss stuff as well. I should pretty well think so. You have to. And you will miss stuff. Yeah. It's, you know, you actually go to a daily. What are you gonna do then?  

No. I'm teasing. Yeah. Well well well well, what yeah. Once it did, you know, well, it wasn't once it did, but we yeah. We're talking about weekly and stuff, and it was like, it just works so well as a monthly as well, but it also   means it's it's it's not necessarily, hey. We're we're breaking news exclusive. Although, for for the people that aren't awake Mhmm. Mhmm. Our our our our issues from 3 years ago will will be exclusive and Absolutely. Yeah. So Yep. So so, you know, so that's great. But the point is that it's a monthly, so rather than trying to, you know, trying to, you know, be be right ahead of these what's what's most happened. Really, what I do is look back over the last month, try and cover as much of the main   things that have gone on, the main developments as well behind the scenes. Obviously, what legislation's process.  

It's it's not just you know, it it's like I say, it's it's a monthly monthly journal if you like, but it's but it's also and we wanna get the news out to people, tell them what's happening, tell them what's coming in the future, but it's also been a record of what's gone on so far, and we'll continue to do that for Yeah. And and the thing is it's it's it's in people's attics. You know what I mean? It's it's locked away in people's cupboards and stored away. Obviously, people got online versions or that's what the actual physical versions. People have made great efforts to make sure they've got either every copy or almost every copy of it. So there's so there's a there's a printed record somewhere because they know what's coming with online. You won't be able to find this information anywhere. Anything that's gone on. Know what I mean? They will they will they will remove it or or it will be I mean, it's already it's already non searchable. You know what I mean? Unless you know exactly what you're looking for. So,   you know, it does provide it it it it works on it works on a few different levels, which obviously you only discover as you go along   live with the thing.  



[01:26:36] Paul English:

Yeah. I mean, I think, obviously, the fact that you're a monthly is not really too critical in the sense that, for now,   the the electronic media that we have available can fill in on a day to day basis. You have a Telegram group. There are articles coming through there and other things. That whole aspect of providing sort of immediacy   can be served. And also, I'm   I'm not so negative really about the technical future. I see people saying this,   but I don't necessarily buy into it. There are technologies out there that are running   decentralized networks using   block chain and other technology augmenting it, which make it imp literally not possible for people to remove these documents from online.  

Of course, what you're saying, the key thing is search. And and what has happened with search engines is everybody goes to them all the time. I remember Yeah. I remember   in the early in the early days of the old steam driven Internet back in the 19 nineties   when things took a little bit of time to arrive, the idea of using search engines, in the early days was completely pointless. There was nothing on them. And, of course, the tech the the the experience at that time   was and this is still my strong experience, where the technology really comes into play   is when you're actually using it to communicate with people that you actually know in real life.  

This is it's actually quite brilliant and it's not that nothing beats that. The whole idea that social networking is somehow   what the Internet is all about is to me, because I'm an old duffer, is a nonsense. It's absolutely not. When I get emails and things from people that I know, these things take up all of my attention in comparison to some waffle   or some, you know, fear plan Yeah. Of course. Which has been amplified all over the place. So, you know, I think I think you're in a good position and there and and we shouldn't be so negative about it. I think also this idea that there's a thing called AI, I don't buy into it, you see. I don't think there is such a thing. It's not actually intelligence is not the right word to use. You've got these colossal processing systems that appear to be intelligent,   but they're not. They're just today's version of a souped up tape recorder,   very sophisticated,   will begin to detect that as well. You can smell it on certain websites. And I think,   a huge part of the so called alternative   information part of the web is not alternative at all. It's It's serving the same purposes as the mainstream media in that it's fear mongering and never providing constructive actions and directions to people saying this is what you need to do. And it and we all have to hang out with people that want to do things, because then it rubs off. I want to do this. Right? Let's do something. And then it doesn't matter if that didn't work. It don't matter. Let's do something else then. Let's keep doing things for us and how we want our world to be. Not wasting our time analyzing the crap that comes out of the orifices of these goofballs, you know. I mean,   it's exhausting. It is. And, you know, they've got the capacity to produce so much of it so rapidly. And and because they got all the money. I mean, this is the key thing. They can pay drones to do all this dog leg work, which is where, you know, currently we're we're gonna fail in that in comparison to them. It's like World War 1, you know. It's just complete barrage. They've got 8,000,000 guns and we got 3. And it's it's difficult, but there's other ways of dealing with them. I feel very much so, you know. Quality over quantity.  



[01:29:48] Unknown:

Again, going back to how how the thing is presented. I mean, look, we're starting with the truth. I've been starting with people, people who've got good intentions, who are doing real work, who are trying to get truth out, and all the rest of it. So that's that's, what's it called? You you unique selling proposition, what the hell of thing, you know that? Yeah. The USP. Yes. Your ultimate selling point. Yeah. That that's number 1. That's that's that's that's number 1. But then if we also   tart it up a bit and market it and blah blah blah. And that's just like, you know, putting fancy colors on it and thinking about, you know, the best words to use and stuff, which is not, you know, that's all it is.   And we need to do that. We we we we absolutely do need to do that because, look, you know, they're they're used to hands face space. They're used to, you know, simple but effective messaging going the other way. Now imagine if we do that, but with the truth and not and not with fear, but with hope and and inspiration. You know what I mean? The the response already. You know what I mean? The the response is is is already   is already there. And I think   I I honestly think we're we're people are way more aware than than we're led to believe because of the echo chambers of of social media and everything else on media, obviously.  

And those that are away can access those that I do want to do so, do feel like doing something, should do something because when people see it every time, you know, whether it's like paper with, you know, we are 99% what have you, but,   it inspires them, and and they're glad. And we need to give people   permission   to,   rebel if you like, to change their lives, to be individual, to not go along with loads, to speak out, to join us, and it's not joining us. You know what I mean? I don't I I don't wanna I don't wanna live in a hippie community or anything. You know what I mean? But but, you know, whatever. Our our network, our scene, whatever whatever you wanna call it. Yeah.   And because it's real, because it's honest, because it's because I mean, don't be wrong. You know, it's it's not like everybody in the truth movement's real honest, but   but you can't half sniff them out really quickly if they're not. You know what I mean? You just Yeah. I think I think it's all worthwhile.  



[01:31:48] Paul English:

I think you're right. It's all worthwhile spending time   perusing and pursuing these sites because your bullshit detector is improved all the time.   There are people that turn up on video things with the most fantastic studios. They come out of nowhere and they suddenly got a huge following on YouTube and they never get taken offline. I'm going, hello, how does that happen? You know, do people know what it takes to do these things? It takes a lot of people. Where's the money coming from? Oh, we're selling beans or something. Right? Yeah. Right. It's, you know, they're allowed to now to do that, and they control the opposition.   So my sort of terrible rule of thumb for this, and it really is awful, is this. The only people you can really trust are the ones who are completely broke and work in a garret.  

Hello. That's me, everyone. You know, I   I heard someone today moaning about the fact that they were involved in sort of something parallel to this,   in the States saying, you know, I only get $48,000   a year. I'm going, what?   What are you talking about?   Hello? Oh, yeah.   It'd be terrible. I couldn't do with that. Anyway, so this is this is the penny pinching Englishman you Americans are listening to. This is what we're like. We're really tight and horrible, you know, about stuff. We're a third world country. We're in a third world country, so it's fair enough. Well, we don't. We spiritually, we don't in in terms of there are many things that are still brilliant. And I guess, personally, I feel attached   to a vision of England, which currently doesn't exist. This is true. And I want it back. And it involves a lot of politically incorrect communication to get it back because it's gonna run totally counter to the way things are being pushed. I mean, I mentioned to just normal people, you know, you say, well, do you go along with the global homo woke agenda? And people go,   no. No, I don't. I don't think it's very good at all. I said, well, that's good. I said, you do know that makes you a Nazi? They said, no. It doesn't. I said, it will do. I said, because   anybody at any casual level that opposes that, that's what they're gonna call you. They're gonna call you everything. That's what they do. Study history. You're gonna be called this. You're gonna be demonized. They're gonna build linguistic cases against you to chew you up. That's what they do. And your job is to laugh at that and is to and to have colleagues that stand with you because you only need 2 or 3, and your strength goes through the roof.  

Being completely isolated is not good.   And because, you know, we are going to build a future whoever we think is involved in this we. And of course, it's not everybody that you live with. There are some people as you said that are certainly not gonna necessarily make the transition over to saying,   I think probably everything I've been taught in my life is a load of crap.   But the more people that do that, the the better it gets, you know. I accept it's an uncomfortable process for most people, but that's what we've been invited to play, the listeners.   That's what's happening in on our watch right now. We, you know, we probably don't recognize that we asked for it and we probably didn't, But it's certainly what's turned up, you know.  

I mean in terms of the writers that you have on the paper,   do you have any do you have any sort of polarized views? Do you get any sort of conflict sort of article a on page 3 is slightly, you know, running at odds with article b on page 17 or whatever? Do you have you do you come across anything like that? Or is it generally everybody's just pushing to provide information and and it hasn't got to that stage yet? Or or will it ever, do you think?  

[01:35:05] Unknown:

Oh, I mean, there's there's definitely differences of opinion, especially over over law,   but also economics and and, you know, cryptocurrency   or all that kind of stuff. So Yep.   I wouldn't say within the issue necessarily, but certainly issue to issue.   I purposely put   a a controversial   one in that said, you know, look, common law doesn't make any difference. These are tyrants. They're gonna ignore the law anyway, so your piece of paper is a bit of a waste of time.   And there was quite a lot of, you know, pushback from that. And one guy wrote a great article on,   yes. Kind of. You you don't need to go through all this process. You know, it goes through all these three letter pro and and all that stuff that it's all about. He said, I I just ignore them, and they and they and they go away because you know what I mean? Because of the law, though, because, you know, the bill of rights and all the rest of it as well. So,   I I like having those. Obviously, I'm a big fan of gold and silver.  

I, you know, I I I got Bitcoin at the start,   you know, all rather when a when a woke up.   I I I never held on to it. I wouldn't wait until it got to 20,000 or anything like that but I understood it,   I understand it well I've only I've only started a newspaper with it or something but   I I understood its potential,   but but now, you know, at the end of the day, no matter what, if you want to pay me with bitcoin, Bitcoin, you still have to switch your phone or device off, which needs power, and then you need to connect to the Internet Oh, yes. And blah blah blah and then Oh, yes. Transfer it. So it's not direct. It's not peer to peer. No matter how secure it is and how great a protocol, blah blah blah, everything else that goes along with it,   it's not as easy as me saying, thanks for doing the windows and and the and the washing and the blah blah or whatever the hell it is. Yeah. Or, you know, here here's here's a silver coin whether it's half a silver coin or a quarter or whatever. Here's here's some actual silver. There you go. That's a direct trade that the government can't interfere with and has no has no business in Yes. They don't like that, do they? They want to interfere with everything. I mean, there's that Everything.  

Everything. And   and for me, bit Bitcoin seems like a bit of a a bit of a software for for the CBDC. But but like I say, it it's it's it's not necessarily relevant because if people wanna use Bitcoin, and they can, then they should. I but, you know, straight. People wanna use gold and silverware, if they wanna use fiat cash, if they wanna use shells   or or just direct trade barter or do the time bank thing for time hours or   whatever they want   in my world, my ideal world, you know, when the revolution happens, etcetera, you know, Tom and G, that that that's what will happen. Years   of of of trading history, as it happens over thousands of thousands of years of of of trading history,   we ended up with gold and silver as the as the most as the best possible commodities.  

You know? You know,   nobody nobody enforce it. Nobody impose those as as currencies. So you're asking,   you know, do we have do we have opposing opinions? So this month sorry. The next month in in December's issue,   is an article all about Bitcoin. I'm not sure if it's been written been written or or or sourced from Dominic Frisbie as well, who people   people should know. Yeah. But it but, obviously, it's public one because I'm open to it. You know what I mean?   We've gotta be open to these different ideas. I'm not I'm not I'm I'm I'm obviously completely anti abortion.   I know we should be forced to either have an abortion, I suppose.  



[01:38:32] Paul English:

Well, I mean, I think many of the many of the problems that we face in in like that one and others at scale now   are a result of, them not being opposed for a long time or dealt with properly. And it's also to do with the lack of a clear   vision   reinforced   permanently through the mainstream media because you and I don't own it. I mean, this is the problem. And of course, the forces that do own it have a very have a decidedly different view of what a good life is. A good life for them is us all being held down and then being on top of it. It's such a low grade vision.   It really and,   that's, you know, the key part of the issue. I think the money, you know, people here that have listened to me and I've I've gone on for years about this. The money thing is the key thing in that in the sense that,   everything that's   marshalled against us, the people in these organisations, NGOs, whatever you want to call them, they get paid.  

And because they get paid, they keep turning up at work and they're quite happy to absorb   really what is a hideous   cultural and psychological,   teaching that they get. And they end up becoming deranged like this story earlier about   boys will be allowed to go to school in girls' dresses.   No, they won't. I mean, my my my thing is that's no longer a school. It just stopped becoming 1, so don't go.   And and it's providing, however, a voice for people who are,   maybe not fully equipped with the information and stuff. It's alright, you know, I read a few things, people listening here are knowledgeable about stuff. If you go out and look at normal people, a lot of people who are not up to speed, they're going to be browbeaten and cowed into that. This is sick,   but it's all part of the way of ruining a people. And you know,   the cultural stuff as well, what's that thing? The surest way to destroy a people is to remove them from their history and to sever it. And of course we see these attacks going on all the time such that for you and I to talk about our true history is now deemed very closely to being racist, you see. So we're dealing with an escalation of derangement with each passing week. It just gets worse. And that's what it will do for those people who, you know, who understood what happened sort of psychologically during the so called Russian Revolution. These are the same tactics. It's the same playbook over and over again, you know.  

It's it's older even than that. But that that's kind of what's taking place.  

[01:40:55] Unknown:

They get better at it and the perfect it as they go along for sure. Yeah. They do. I mean, they yeah. All I was all I was thinking there was, I changed certainly changed in my attitude, obviously, since I, you know, since I first woke up and and,   you know, look. You can go you know, this is terrible. We've seen what they're teaching at school.   You've seen seen it, you know, all that stuff. You know, we need to, again, you know, we need to protest throughout it. We need to do something about it. Yeah. You don't. All you need to do about it is is stop sending your children to these places. It's like, well, I haven't got time because I've got to work. Who do you work for? Why do you work for them? You know what I mean? I mean, you can you can point is that you can reexamine your whole life when there is a way, there is a path,   you know, even if it takes a little while to to be able to do that, obviously.  

Everything is a personal choice, and for me, it's a battle all the time. The whole   the whole philosophical   battle   on earth   within humanity right now is between   collectivism   in all its forms, so everybody's gonna take take the shot, Otherwise, we won't be safe. No one's safe until everyone's safe.   Or,   I mean, it really doesn't veganism is a good one, You know? Obviously, because veganism doesn't work unless everybody's a vegan,   you know, in in in sense of their their their goals,   or or, obviously, you know, that that individuality,   you know, which is what should be champion, which is impossible to control, obviously, if you can't put people in a box or or what have you and certainly get to feel that they belong to a group and get and get them to feel the either the joy or the or the pain and get them to reward and punish,   you know, with social engineering,   then you can't control them. So that's why they spent all this time putting people into groups,   what   what what do they call it? There's a name for it in in   in   intersectionality or whatever. I I can't I can't remember. I hate all the the the universe. I've got I gladly don't know all the technicals of the universe terms for for everything, to be honest. I look at things from a layman.  

I can see them. I can okay. I understand them from from the point of view of just a regular person, and hopefully, sometimes when I get my head to go, certainly get writing,   I can explain them in a in a in a really,   and they're really straightforward points of view as well. I don't really need flower language to to to explain everything. Well, I I think I mean, the creation of this flowery language is just another weapon.  

[01:43:15] Paul English:

Oh, you don't know those words? Oh, you can't come to our club and talk about these things in such a detailed way.   Yeah. You know, I'm not a jargonist. Jargon. You know, I don't like Churchill. I'm not a fan. But the problem I have with him is that he kept saying very intelligent, sensible things. And he said one thing he said about words, he said,   short words are best and the old short words better still. And it's true.   You don't it's true. I mean, he was a master of language. Same's the law. Yeah. It is. Same's the law. The old the old the older laws are better,   obviously. Well, it is because I would, you know, I tend to view it and say, well, that is the law. These are unchanging principles of life. They do not change. They just stay that way.  

What you've got here is a lot of rules being applied by rulers   to augment it, and they run many of them, most of them now run contrary to the actual law,   and therefore they're not law.   But but they've got such a machinery   behind them because all those judges and barristers and lawyers and solicitors,   they get paid.   They well, they believe and they get paid. They're not gonna do something that's gonna cut them off from their paycheck. I understand that. I'm not no one's asking them to cut themselves off. Yeah.  

[01:44:25] Unknown:

For me, if they're away, it doesn't matter.   Yeah. If I would if I would have been going along,   doing whatever,   Yeah. When I when I woke up, being successful at it, whether it was in the public sector, the private sector, whatever. And I woke up. I got the jolt that I got, the dollars I got. But my life could have changed no matter what. It wouldn't make it wouldn't make it difficult. I would stop being a judge or or a lawyer or a government subs or whatever the hell it was whatever it was doing. I as I've had to change I've met I'm actually gonna try to be, you know, a a dissenter for a bit and a trojan horse for a bit, but, you know, knowing my personality, it'll be like, right. I'm I'm yeah. I have to get out of here now. I I don't you know, I've I've I've unfriended every single person   face to face in this whole place.  



[01:45:09] Paul English:

Yeah.  

[01:45:12] Unknown:

So, you know,   like I say, individuality   is is massively important,   and and it's weird how we we you know, look. The light paper is a is a super example of it because it's obviously got it's a unique thing, it's a you know it's a it's got a unique vision and and it stayed true to its course from from the start, obviously improved as well, But also, it couldn't work without the community, without people working together. So working to get you know, lots of individuals working together in association, but nobody's on the contract.   Nobody nobody has to do anything. You know, even though that that get paid every every every month, they're not under contract. They can they can leave whenever they want,   and nobody has in 3 years. Probably one person which is, you know, right after the 1st few weeks.  

But everybody that started with us is still is still is is is still with us. And, obviously, we we we brought more people along That's great. As time as time's gone on. Now I'm It's because I would suggest probably in great part, Darren, is because it's meaningful work, you see.  

[01:46:09] Paul English:

In fact, when it's like that, it's not really work at all. They're not working. I don't feel as though I'm working because you're doing something   that you're completely, you know, taken up by. And I mean, just thinking about the paper and the advertising and stuff, I guess to some degree, we could say that the paper   is part of well, what's the word? Parallel economy? But this   sub economy that needs to develop I know that they've got the powers to do all sorts of things. But if if we keep growing, and it is   this mythical we, but it is growing in all sorts of ways. You know, I see people doing things and go, no, you shouldn't be doing that. And I'm going, yeah, but they're doing something. So it it is disorganized.  

It is fractured. It's decentralized.   I think that makes it much more tricky. You know, I'm I tend to think organizationally, well, we need to build this big thing. And in some cases, you do need to build little central points or communication things like you've done with the paper   to guide people in. And then you have to and then it fractures and splinters. Okay. But if if the movement, as it were, the thought movement is going in the right direction.   And that's really you know, I come back to that a lot. I go, the current situation's bad. But the thing that's really bad is that it's still going in the wrong direction. It's changing that. It's it's   not even slowing it down. It's going, we aren't staying on this train anymore   because I've noticed, I've looked down the line and it's going off a cliff, Really? Yeah. I know you're sat in a really comfortable chair and the waiter keeps bringing you drinks and the TV's great and the company's really lovely, isn't it? Fantastic. But I'm gonna jump out of this train at 40 miles an hour into the snow now. Really? Yeah. I'm I'm gonna do that. Anybody wanna come? Why are you doing that? Well, you see, I don't wanna go off the air there. I I'm kind of interested. I think in spite of all these challenges of falling in the snow, I'm choosing that. You want to you want to play?  

And that's really where we're and so people are doing it in all sorts of different ways. So people I had David Fleming on here a few weeks ago, and, I'm continuing to speak with David, and maybe you'll get to to meet him as well. He's he runs this thing, you know of it, don't you? Because you've got you've got a a testimony on there, the Independent Alliance.   And,   he's doing something   slightly over there, and it's and it's good. I wanna talk to that. And there are other people. There's the Republic of England,   which is another group, and people are trying different ways. And it's almost as if no one knows exactly what's gonna strike. That's the way I feel about it. And I don't think that's a problem. I think it's good that there are all these different things.  

And, Absolutely. You know, because if someone had found it by now, we'd have done it. It's like kissing frogs, you know. One of them is gonna turn out to be a prince one day. We're gonna kiss the right one. Believe you me. We'll get that frog. We'll get it. We'll feel that  

[01:48:48] Unknown:

Here's the thing, Paul. It'll feel like,   oh, you finally kissed the right frog. Mhmm. But that's not exactly what that's not what happened.   We needed to kiss a 1,000,000 and 10 Yeah. We did.   I know. You know what I mean?   And and and, you know, literally, look. We'll we'll we'll produce the live baby next month and then the month after, and we're doing the they're doing this hardback on you, which I'll tell you about in a second.   And, you know, people will do their outreach and they'll do their marches and do do   not just awake people but determined away people are gonna do something. They're gonna be active and they're gonna, you know, stand against people to change their lives and blah blah blah.  

We'll go and go. On one day, just one day and we don't know where that day is and it doesn't matter, you know, because obviously it's before 2030 or so. But one day there won't be enough people who've told the government to go screw and won't comply and, you know, become self employed and taking the kids out of school and all the rest of it. And and the next and the next day of the world. The next day of the there'll be a tipping point, and there's and there's more people. There was enough people that that that there's just you know, people are like, oh, aren't you taking it to school today? No. No. We've sacked it off. Why? Well, sit down. Let me tell you. Grab a coffee.   You know?  

So so so it will be that, you know. Oh, wow. You kissed the last frog, the 100th monkey kind of thing, but it but it's not that. It's all the work that we we have been doing already   and all the work that we do now between now and that day whenever it comes,   it it it's all it's all kissing frogs, it's all helping, it's all working. Now, again, just going back to the   how how, you know, the light paper is obviously organized, otherwise, we wouldn't be able to hit our deadlines and everyone do what we do.   But the fact that it's not just me   and and, you know, I I you know, it it really is a group a group group effort.  

Late you know, the testament to that is is the new hardback book that's coming out.  

[01:50:45] Paul English:

Yeah. Tell us about that then. Tell us about all this work that you're doing. What's this about?  

[01:50:50] Unknown:

Wasn't my it wasn't my idea. The point is that, a great a great writer, a great friend from Stroud, Richard House,   had the idea of doing, like, a a compilation of the first three years.   So we call it the brightest of the light. He's he's got him and Mickey, who's the guy who've done most of the work with it, so I'd like to take credit,   and I probably will at some point. Yeah. Go on. I would.   So he's he's compiled, you know, what what, you know, his his his, you know, the the best the best articles from the 1st 3 years, split them into 16 sections. So you've got, like, science and truth and big tech and medicine and climate crisis, kind of geology and blah blah blah. All all the different sections.   And, yeah, it's a 200 page hardback book. Full it's got glossy color outside, full full color on the inside as well.  

The idea is that it makes a brilliant gift for activists to give their,   unaware friends and family for Christmas   so you don't have to have arguments over the dinner table. You can, you know, talk about the football or or, you know, the the the Napoleon film or whatever. I I I was supposed to start come out with a Napoleon film because I did you know did you know the face revolution was the first   success? Anyway,   but the but the point is, you can give them this hardback book, and they will look at it.   They will they'll open it. Maybe they'll open it straight away. Maybe they'll open it on Christmas day. Maybe they'll open it. It doesn't matter. They'll open it. They'll go, oh, god. It's that thing. Oh, okay. And they'll but they'll see they'll see the, you know, what it says on the back. They'll see the recommendation.  

And they'll they'll open it and they'll go to the section   that they're interested in. Yeah. That they're specialized. If they're a scientist, they're gonna hit their size. They're they're a doctor or whatever, whatever they're involved with. They're gonna have a look and they're gonna be curious. And it might just not gonna say, oh, every single copy that's given up, you know, that's that's given us a gift or whatever is gonna do something. But it is a great research tool for us as well. It's gonna be indexed.   So again, if you're having those conversations, you know, not able to keep all the copies of the paper out. You still need to know what's in what, but it's indexed. So it's a handy resource to have as well, but but we think it makes it really great present practice to get, especially at 20 quid plus postage, plus postage and packing.  

People are buying, like, fours in it and eights and tens of them as well. Good on them. Which   is great. I'll probably have to get actually, my my local distributor will probably get copies, but I might have to do it. Can can it be ordered directly from your website then right now? Is that the place to go? Only. It can only be ordered direct from our website and only for another couple of days. I think it's till the end of the weekend. So you've got you've got till you've got till Sunday. We're we're extending a couple of days because there's no point in getting in turning it to print on Friday. So we're printed on Monday. So if your order's in not in not in by Monday, we won't be printing anymore.   Alright. It will be a it will be a limited run thing.  

You know, again, making it nice as you know,   a nice thing for people.   So yeah. So,   you know, we've done we've got we we've we've it's exploded. It's a lot of work for somebody who's gonna gonna send out all these books to people,   but we're we're printing them. We're gonna be sending them out, obviously, you know,  

[01:53:52] Paul English:

by by December 14, 15th, so you'll have them inside for Christmas. I think it's a great I'm gonna I'll get one. I'll I'll get one ordered tomorrow. I think,   Lovely. The thing about physical   there's something about physical. It it operates in a different way. I mean, I've read a lot of   very long articles, even books almost online on screen over weeks and things like this. But if I'm sort of serious, I the physical book,   is fantastic technology, is books.   Printing really is. It's absolutely fantastic. Because if you've got a pencil and you're quite willing to ruin your book, you can put notes in the margin. These things become you sort of interacting with it in a way that's So yeah. Extremely human.   And and also, the thing I've noticed personally, I I've got books unfortunately that they're not ordered. They're in different parts of the house and in the loft and all over the place. But the ones that I see,   they're like resell their ideas back to me. If I walk past them on a morning, I'll look at the spinous and be, oh, yeah, that. And it'll it'll spark other things off. It's like the   it's not like, oh, I read that book and I've forgotten it. No. I read that book. There it is. Oh, I've just read the I I remember it all now. I remember the key bits, the bits that I got from it. Let's talk about it. You know? So it's it's very powerful technology. We need, we'll need to re reestablish, of course, like, parish libraries across England. You know, we need 10,000 libraries, 1 in each parish, and people can come to I'm getting carried away here. But That banks, post offices.  



[01:55:14] Unknown:

No. No. Most of us are still here just about what what the banks have put put obviously put inside the Oh, the people's post office sounds quite nice to me.  

[01:55:22] Paul English:

Or something like that. That sounds quite good.   And,   yeah, there's there's lots to do to restore those things that have been broken down for the sake of centralization   and all that all that kind of stuff. So that sounds   that's really good. Are you gonna do that kind of maybe once a year, a kind of best of thing? Or is is this for, you know, this is this is this is enough, is it, for now?  

[01:55:44] Unknown:

Well, for you know what? Because I know what I said after the first issue, very first issue of the light paper. I was like, yeah. That that's it. I'm only gonna do the one, and here we are for too late because it's obviously been so been so popular and useful for people.   So we we definitely won't do another annual next year. The the load would be obviously 12 12 new months if you like or maybe 16 new months to to do it. So,   maybe every 2 years.   So Oh, that'd be good. Maybe maybe yeah. If we're still going, we're all in the Google ad by then or what have you. You know what I mean? Or or we or we won. So every paper is a light paper. Every paper becomes a tooth paper, and we're not unique anymore. And that'd be fine as well. I can carry on I can carry on concentrate on the music.   But, yeah. So so the the the annual will be it's all it's almost a one off. It's a special.  

And just before just before we go, because I've now got a a baby Mercedes. I've got a very sleep sleeping boy in my arms. How nice. How old is he?   He he is nearly 2, and I'm I'm talking away and expressing myself, and he's got he's completely conked out now, which is wonderful.  

[01:56:45] Paul English:

So new lullabies, this is what it is. It's the new modern lullaby. You do a radio gig. Paul. Yeah.   It's not a great recommendation for you, mate. No. It's alright. It's alright. I can take it. I'm made of strong stuff. That's fine. Wake up, young lad.  

[01:57:01] Unknown:

No. It didn't work.   So yeah. So just just fine, and we haven't really covered it very much. But, the light paper also getting together with the stand in the park,   and we are hosting an amazing,   4 day festival of truth music and freedom next May 24 to 27 in the Lake District.   Yeah. And we've got Danny we've got Danny Ramblin, Mobius Loop,   Out of Karma, the dead fighter time, Philharmonic.   Jazz band are playing,   and a lot just loads of others. You can call yeah. There's stand in the light dot u k is the website, and there's a link to it from from the lightpaper.co.uk.   It's a camping.  

You can bring dogs if you're on leads. There's gonna be loads of food vendors,   just tons of stores, a huge shopping street, and bouncy cat stores and hopes us to doing the the the children's entertainment.   And at the moment, it's half price. I mean, it's and if you buy a ticket in the next month before the end of the year, it's £20   plus booking fee. Some people are like Hey. Well sold. That's   that's just it's just ridiculous, but obviously,   it's it's gonna be a great gathering of the truth movement.  

[01:58:07] Paul English:

It's gonna be it's it's gonna be a lot of fun. You know? Oh, I'm tempted. I I my my logistics are really I used to ride my bike around the Lake District in the seventies when I was a teenager. I lived on my bike and listened to records. I'd like to get back up there. My son was up there the other week climbing Scafell Pike   and, did it great. Hey, look. There's the outro music. Your timing was pretty good.   What about? Brilliant, Darren. I want I'd love to have you back. You've been listening you've yeah. Brilliant. You've been listening to Darren Nesbitt, who is the editor. Is that right? And the head cheese, I've called you. I don't know if you are. Are you the head cheese, Darren? Chief chief cheese. I'm the chief cheese. You're the chief cheese of the light paper, a physical paper   produced and distributed here in the UK once a month. Many of you might be familiar with it. If you're not, get over to the light paper dot co.uk.  

You can find connections and leads to many of the things we've been talking about here tonight.   And, thanks for being with us. Darren, we'll have you on again. And, you know, we'll make sure that your little lad stays through the whole thing. A bit bit cheesed off that he failed there right at the end. There's a bit of a lag. He did too badly, to be honest. He did too badly at all. Not bad as hell. He didn't do too bad at all. It was better better than my gigs.   Absolutely.   Darren, thanks very much. We'll see you real soon.   Listen. You too. Listeners, thanks very much for staying with us. We'll be back, same time next week here on wbn324dot   com, wbn324.zill,   FreeFall   Radio South Africa, Speak Free Radio, Global Voice Network, Rumble, Odysee, and Uncle Tom Cobley and all. Go well.