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Thursday October 23rd· 8pm UK · 3pm US eastern


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A lively, unscripted night from Sussex to the Sistine Chapel. I kick off with grim British weather, grimmer Windows 11 nags, and Eric’s glorious £39.99 army trench coat, before we pirouette through Halloween mania, fasting, and even the pragmatic (if eyebrow‑raising) uses of urine therapy and turmeric‑coconut oil for teeth and toes. We chat fabrics, vintage trousers, and the price of fish and chips, then tumble into our favourite nostalgia rabbit hole: The Avengers, Diana Rigg, Patrick Macnee, Purdey and Department S. From there, we get serious: control systems, “nudge units,” media conditioning, and why building local resilience (think farmers and food drops) matters. I recount street‑level conversations with Reform UK volunteers, and why any real fix must confront banking, usury and captured institutions head‑on.

Author Nathan Lucius joins to unpack his book Fake Awake—on psy‑ops, cult dynamics and the pitfalls of the ‘truth scene’. We dig into how to seed ideas without preaching, fear as a catalyst (but not a destination), and the need to think from “above the board” instead of inside the echo chamber. We then examine religion, politics and money as ancient control grids, the Church vs. Scripture, William Tyndale’s courage, and why genuine assembly beats priestly gatekeeping. We close with a timely note on King Charles III praying publicly with Pope Leo XIV—an historic first in 500 years—before signing off to Iron Horse’s bluegrass spin on Enter Sandman. Buckle up: humour, history, heresy, and a few sacred cows all get a gentle prod this week.

• Iron Horse (official site): https://www.ironhorsebluegrass.com/
• Metallica – Enter Sandman (official song page): https://www.metallica.com/songs/enter-sandman.html
• The Avengers (1961–1969 TV series): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Avengers_%28TV_series%29
• Department S (TV series): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_S_%28TV_series%29
• Morons from Outer Space (1985 film): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morons_from_Outer_Space
• Diana Rigg: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diana_Rigg
• Patrick Macnee: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Macnee
• Peter Wyngarde: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Wyngarde
• Joanna Lumley: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joanna_Lumley
• AC/Shelby Cobra (background on the car we mention): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_Cobra
• William Tyndale (translator and reformer): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Tyndale
• King James Version (context discussed): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_Version
• Nathan Lucius – Fake Awake (ISBN 9781068505904) on AbeBooks: https://www.abebooks.co.uk/9781068505904/FAKE-AWAKE-Cults-Psy-Ops-Psychosis-1068505907/plp
• Reform UK (official party site): https://www.reformparty.uk/
• United Nations – Sustainable Development Goals (Agenda 2030 overview): https://sdgs.un.org/goals
• Reuters (news agency homepage): https://www.reuters.com/
• Associated Press (AP) – News: https://apnews.com
• Royal.uk – The King (official biography of King Charles III): https://www.royal.uk/the-king
• Pope Leo XIV (overview): https://www.britannica.com/biography/Leo-XIV
• The Guardian – “King Charles makes history by praying publicly with Pope Leo”: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/23/king-charles-prays-publicly-with-pope-leo
• Vatican News – King Charles attends ecumenical prayer service in the Sistine Chapel: https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2025-10/sistine-chapel-ecumenical-prayer-service-with-pope-king-queen.html
• Sales at Dr Myhill (official shop for Dr Sarah Myhill): https://www.salesatdrmyhill.co.uk/

[00:00:09] Unknown:

You know, darkness really has fallen across the land here. It's very dark tonight.   It won't be dark for you necessarily in America because it's just gone 03:00 eastern time but it's pretty dark here. And, of course, it's not just darkness of a meteorological   type. This is a very dark nation now. Anyway, we don't really care about that. Welcome to the show. Hope you've had a cracking week. This is Paul English live episode a 110. Here we go.   Lots of fun things happening here in England.   I can't see them though. It's so dark and rainy and gloomy.   Maybe we'll just talk about the weather all night tonight. We usually do.  

Oh, my computer's been playing up a bit, you know? Yeah. Did you just get a little jump there? Just got a little jump. I don't know what it is. I think it's groaning.   I'm running one of those dreadful Windows machines and I think,   I think it I'm one of the people that is targeting. I've got to move to Windows 11. Are you in a similar position everybody or many of you? Yes. It's dreadful, isn't it? I don't like all that kind of stuff. Grinding away, really looking at Linux and things like that.   That's gonna take forever because I can't be bothered to do it even though I used to run it about ten years ago. Anyway, hope you've all had a cracking week. We got a I've got an amazing show   lined up for you tonight as long as I don't keep choking all the time.  

We might have an amazing show. We never really know, actually. It's, it's always jolly good. Anyway, we've got a guest rocking up at some point during the course of things. Nathan Lucius is due to be with us.   I think he was quite keen to get here. I did send him a message saying, you just need to lay off because me and Eric have got to talk a bit of horseshit to start off with. Speaking of which   well, we do, don't we? Nothing like a bit of horseshit, you know. It's an additional round draw that we have to kick it off with the the verbal football around a bit. How's your week been, Eric? How have you been doing?  

[00:03:08] Unknown:

Must mustn't grumble.   I got myself a good bargain, though. I bought myself a flasher coat, commonly known as a trench coat, and it has instruct full instructions inside.   It says, do warning to   do not flash in the wind to just jump out from a bush and describe yourself. So there we go. No. It doesn't actually no. Joking aside, I got myself   an American   army trench coat   Yeah. And it's brand new   for $39.99   pounds. Not bad, And it's gabardine and a 100%   wool.   And I'm absolutely delighted because it doesn't look like an army surplus. One, it just looks like an ordinary trench coat. Put it on, it's like putting a radiator on. It's really warm. Beautiful. Wait. Did you did you get it from an actual physical shop? Did you go into a shop and buy it?   No. I bought it on eBay.  

But, that's alright. No. If it fits Yeah. Does it fit you? I mean, that's fine. Perfectly. Does it? Not a glove. It really fits perfectly.   And it's I think it's   I don't know. It's World War two, Korean War, or something like that.   But it does look out of place. It means just an ordinary trench coat.   But when you look at it, because I'm going for wool   and and cotton. I'm not I'm getting I'm I'm trying to do away with all these,   synthetic fibers.   Yeah. And you notice a difference.  

[00:04:34] Unknown:

You've disappeared.   Where have you gone? I'm still here. I'm still here. Oh, that's Hang on. I'll just have a look. No. You're alright. Yes. Yes. Synthetic fibers. I I was looking at trousers today online. How about that? Someone's just waiting written in. How about this? They said, aren't there statistics   on how important the first few minutes of a podcast are to retaining listenership? There probably   there probably is. Yes. Forager.   Yeah. There probably is. Well, we've blown that one, haven't we? I'm sorry that we certainly take Yes. On two or three minutes.   What a bugger. Damn.  

Oh, well, that's nice, isn't it? You know? Spend all week toiling over a hot computer trying to get everything ready, and then you cock it up right at the beginning. A quick shout out anyway to everybody on WBN.   Hi. Good afternoon to all you American listeners and everybody in The UK there. Although, you can't get WBN directly in The UK due to IP banning and all this kind of stuff, which is very intriguing.   And shout out to everybody in YouTube and Rumble Chats and on, Radio Soapbox and elsewhere, Eurofut Radio and this, that, and the other. So, welcome to this week's show.   I was looking at trousers anyway,   after we've messed up the start.  

Wide trousers today, I was looking at. But online, it's not the same as actually   touching them with your bare hands to see whether they fit and everything. And I was, I I don't know what centimeters are to this day. Do you know a centimeter is? I haven't a clue what it is really. I think it's about I think it's about as long as a piece of string actually.  

[00:06:01] Unknown:

So that that that would be about a centimeter I think. So you just find a piece of string and say, yeah that's about it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's just ridiculous. So when they say 94 centimeters, I'm going what on earth? You know, I have to buy them for my waist, you know, thirty two.  

[00:06:16] Unknown:

No. Not really. When I when I was 16. No. I'm I'm looking. I'm actually I'm down to thirty six now, which I'm quite pleased about waist size. Good. Anyway, yeah. It's not too bad for a fat lad. Got that. And,   anyway, yeah. Ninety five centimeters, something's thirty seven inches. I don't know. But they would I was looking for nineteen fifties style trousers,   and you can actually still buy them that were made in the nineteen fifties. It's what I'm thinking.   75 years old for a pair of kegs. I don't think so. Yes. I don't think so. I mean, I'm keen, but I'm not that I'm not that keen. You know, you'd be sharing them with all the creatures that had inhabited the the microthermos and all this, wouldn't you? It's just a bit worrying. Yes.  

[00:06:57] Unknown:

Especially if the, original owner had running saws or something rather embarrassing, you know. I think the car but   Because  

[00:07:05] Unknown:

I think there was a subdivision, you know, when you choose which type, I think there was one previously owned by owners with running saws. I think you could actually select  

[00:07:14] Unknown:

you could select that from the drop down list. 10% discount. 10% discount. Yes. Yes. And, if you start scratching, is the sort of NHS number, that sort of thing. You know? But some now I noticed in the shops today because I I do have sometimes my servants had a day off so I had to go   and believe that bullshit believe anything I went ahead to do my shopping   and it's devil worshiping all around the shops now isn't it It's Halloween,   a day that,  

[00:07:42] Unknown:

when I was a kid, it was just a day like any other day. Oh, it's Halloween. So what? You know? That was it. Well, I I guess maybe we could touch more. I don't mind talking a bit about it now. But next Thursday, obviously, is the thirtieth, which is still not Halloween, is it? Or, which is which will be but it's the nearest this show is gonna get to it as being close on the mark.   We've got a, we have a couple of houses around here that go crazy at Christmas, you know, with all the lights and all that kind of stuff. It's actually, it's not a bad contribution even though it's a bit naff in some regards and I'm sort of indifferent to it. But they really do I don't know where they get all their money from, but they obviously spend it a lot on all these lights. But apparently well, not apparently. In actuality, they also go crazy for Halloween now. And I went past this one house,   Tuesday, I think it was, on my little walkabout, my gadabout.  

And it's just tons of skellingtons   all over that. That's right. Life size skelling. The people are going bonkers. There's another garden about a 100 yards away where they've got gravestones that they put in and everything and I'm going, what's up with you? Are you daft? It's just it's one of the daftest days on the calendar.   It really is. I it just used to bore me to tears. It was about scooping out a turnip, wasn't it? Putting a candle in it and going, is that it? And he just  

[00:08:54] Unknown:

Yeah. But we never used to I mean, the only thing we had the fifth of, November, which is Guy Fawkes. Yeah. And that was it, really. And I remember when, trick and treat, I hate that trick or treat,   first came into this country, and it's some kids came out of American Air Force Base and did some trick and treating around the village and they called the police   out because villages   nobody knew knew what it was in this country   and,   the kids were chased away the police came came along What are you doing van lazing around here? You know, all that. Because they didn't realize we didn't know what it was. It wasn't part of our culture. And then the next year, what did you get? Trick or treat. And it's all to do with money.   And,   I mean, I just think it's it it is something rather,   sinister.  



[00:09:41] Unknown:

Smekerbout about it. I don't think Well, I think there is actually. And maybe maybe we can make Thursday and and sit on this one a little bit longer than, a week today. But I think,   yeah, I mean, you read   I never know whether I'm just reading clickbait these days half the time. I don't know about you. You just go, good grief. Everybody's got a really interesting story to tell and I'm thinking there aren't that many. Yes. Maybe there are but,   I've always, I think over the last five or ten years, there have been a lot of articles that keep popping up at this time of the year saying, yeah, we know that there's a sort of front end commercial aspect to it. The back end is that a lot of bad things take place on this night. And that would not surprise me because we're dealing with people that, you know, they're doing a lot of bad things anyway. And I mean really bad things. I've I had reports here. There were some people that we knew over in East Sussex, I'm in West Sussex,   who were saying that they'd stumbled across sort of like,   you know, gatherings of people in the middle of the night in woods burning things and stuff. I'm going, really?  

Yeah. How daft can you get? You know, I'm sort of like Yes. A thick knob of   shit. Stuff. I'm just are you what's what's up with you? You know, but the thing is that these convictions run deep with these sort of,  

[00:10:45] Unknown:

I guess,  

[00:10:47] Unknown:

generational families. They run very deep, don't they?  

[00:10:51] Unknown:

Sandy in Bedfordshire is the place. I knew somebody that moved down from Newcastle to Sandy   and couldn't wait to get out of the place because it was a very   creepy, strange place. And if you've ever been there, it is a very creepy, strange place. Right. And they said,   the local vicar, he was from Newcastle, and he said to this woman, be careful.   Keep your doors closed on certain nights. They're very strange around here. And she witnessed this bonfire on a hill and some very strange things going on. There's a lot of incest apparently went on there during World War two. Because all the men were away sort of fighting and things, and lots of really weird things.   I found it a creepy place.  

But,   now with with with, Halloween,   well, it's the usual thing. Some money, mate, in racket. A load of old crap coming in from China, and the next day, it all goes in the bin. And that's it.  

[00:11:49] Unknown:

Yep.   Yeah. I don't get it really. I never What you were saying there about trick and treat as a kid, it was just embarrassing.   I would never do anything. Well, we never we never had it. No. We never had it as a kid, did we? I mean No. Kids and you just come in in the nineties. Yeah. It's and we we have we've had not that I'm expecting any now, because all the children have been knocking on our doors over the past well, maybe,   I suppose, eight or ten, fifteen years ago that they've all, of course, been eaten by now because they're all part of a covenous no. I'm making that bit up. They,   even when they knock on the door and say trick or treat, there's no real conviction in it over here. It's got no traction. It just doesn't mean anything.  

I I I just find it of all these nights that they've created, it's the most bogus one of the lot.   But I think in serious circles, it's serious. And,   I think, you   know, what is that creepy feeling? Is it your instincts actually working properly or is it are you just mentally   suffering a psychosis and getting spooked?   It's probably a bit of both. I I actually think it  

[00:12:52] Unknown:

I think the government is a death cult. I really do believe that. Go all government is death cults. Mhmm. And I actually think the government is probably behind it. I really do. It's to work on the subconscious.   Yeah. I might be going into it's a little bit deep but,   you know, when you look at the amount that more was put put this way, more people have been killed by their own government than all the wars put together. Yeah. So they're deadly.   And that's all they're obsessed with is death. You look at the government. It's all negative doom and gloom and death. That's all it is. That's all we're interested in. Well, they're definitely obsessed with with control, I think. And,  

[00:13:28] Unknown:

I've got there's all sorts of little I don't there's things I'm gonna talk about tonight. I don't know when to start talking about them because they might take over the whole show. I don't I mean, or we'll keep coming back to them. This whole thing about control systems in human affairs   is,   it's fascinating. That's not even the right word. It's compelling stuff because I don't know about you, Eric. When you're sort of reading about the way that governments, for example, operate or structured religions,   right, there's a parallel in all of these things,   or the way that the law societies work, or the way that the educational authorities operate, or those in charge of the media, etcetera etcetera.  

They all conform to a similar pattern. You've got hierarchies, you've got positions of power. The higher up you go, the bigger the hat you get. I've I used to say that That's right. Yes. The whole world runs on hats, basically. If you can get the biggest hat, you're in charge of the whole world. And,   something like that. These are all these sort of ancient signifiers of who's in charge, you know in human affairs and they all they're all modeled like this.   And of course the people that are supposed to be served by these institutions   may have been in the early days because I think nearly all of these things do start off with good intentions. I could be wrong about that, of course.  

But let's give them a benefit of the doubt. But in due course, every single one goes more than pear shaped and ends up really   controlling   and limiting these of the people that they're supposed to serve. Don't you think? I mean, the health care things Yeah. They're all the same.  

[00:14:58] Unknown:

They're all the same. That's right. Yes. I mean, let's face it. The health care well, it's not care. They're just a load of, I call them,   the Muppet Show because they're just a load of zombies. They're a load of robots that go around and,   it's not care at all. It all it is is it's, a big business. Yep. And, they're drug pushers.   And that's why I keep as far away from them as humanly possible.   I think that   Yeah. But, you know, I mean, today in my little walk, my little gallivance to the local supermarket, which is about forty minutes walk away, I had to pass by a chemist. And I saw people coming up with little doggy bags or goody bags, NHS goody bags full of toxic   poison and muck and rubbish Mhmm. And,   throw down their throats. And this is a question that I I always put, and that is, if the pharmaceuticals   are so good why do you have a repeat prescription surely you just take them they cure you wouldn't they   so   there's there's a little thought and also   low there's bit companies set up that will deliver your toxic muck to you   for free of charge. How about that then?  

So,  

[00:16:10] Unknown:

I mean, we're we're kind of a tail end or at least it feels like the tail end of a long slide   into ruin as it were in all of these areas and of course the pharmaceutical thing is,   the Rockefeller family as we well know loom large Right. With how they sort of overthrew the American medical the actual genuine healers in America.   And no doubt the pattern's been repeated here. You see all this guff and people, you know, have to look at all the government ministers championing the pharmaceutical companies. They're going to solve all these problems. Really, are they? You know? So it's,   it doesn't really come across like that, does it? Well It really it really does not.  



[00:16:49] Unknown:

Look at Richard Nixon. He's,   what is it? He's war on something beginning with c.   Mhmm. And that was, oh, years ago. Fifty, sixty years ago. It never won, did it? Because,   the fact of the matter is what they've got to look at is your diet. What you eat. What goes in your mouth.   Mhmm.   And as someone once explained to me, if you put a teaspoon of sugar into the petrol tank of your car every day, what will happen to the engine? It'll seize up. They said, well, just think what that sugar is doing to your body. It's true. It's very, very true. Yeah. And,   because   up until   about a 100 just over a hundred years ago, most people only ate one meal a day. And if they ate more than two, they were considered   a gannet.  

But it was thanks to the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds   and,   this cereal makers, I won't mention their name,   that said, oh, you know, you've got to have three meals a day and start with cereal, which is one of the worst things you could ever wish to have first thing in the morning.   You know what I mean? Yeah.   But this is the thing.   It's all for money because if you have three meals a day, you're spending more money. And also, you're eating more of their muck that they're they're trying to sell you in the supermarkets.  

[00:18:01] Unknown:

Yep. So No. You're right. You know? One of my sons came to me today, Eric, and said,   dad, I'm I'm thinking of going on a three day fast and I think you should join me. I said, okay.   I'll need three days to think about that.   Not that I'm a guinea. I I I think I've fasted twice. Can you hear me okay?  

[00:18:22] Unknown:

Yeah. I can hear you, but you gotta prepare your body for it. You can't just go straight into it. I mean, I do eighteen hours a day, basically, between sixteen and eighteen hours a day.   And,   you will find that in two weeks, I mean, I lost a stone and a half. You if the white just drop off of you. But you've got to be a bit strict on yourself.   And, I don't eat anything from half past one onwards  

[00:18:45] Unknown:

or 02:00. I know. Apparently, when you fast as well,   Belgian shortbread cookies with chocolate in, is not you you're not allowed to eat them, and this is a major challenge for me. Yeah. It is. Isn't it? It's quite a problem.  

[00:19:00] Unknown:

Mhmm. I mean within the eight hours.   You can when you're not fasting. Yeah. Yeah.   Mhmm. Yeah.  

[00:19:06] Unknown:

So I am, of course, teasing a bit. I actually went three and a half I think when I was in my twenties, I went three and a half, four days without food.   Was working at the time.   In fact, the company that I was in, the entire company had a week long fast.   How about that? Really? Yeah. 250   people. And everybody was going around with,   deodorant.   Lots of deodorant flying around. Just because as their bodies began to decompose,   because we're all working pretty hard as well sweating over a hot piece of paper, you know, with a pen or typing away on computers and all that kind of stuff. Yeah. It was quite interesting. Yeah. Quite interesting really.   I can't say I was too keen at the time. I mean, people can sell you the intellectually the benefits of it, but I wasn't really I'll tell you one thing I did do this morning that you'd be quite impressed with. I, I peed on my toes.  

I'm serious. Yeah.  

[00:19:57] Unknown:

I did. Well, it does that does happen when the wind changes direction, doesn't it? No. I was doing it on my toes. Especially if you're in the woods. I was on focus. It wasn't just to improve my aim, although it did improve slightly because of that. No. It's  

[00:20:12] Unknown:

I was out with some   I was out with some chums on,   Tuesday evening,   and,   lots of talk about urine therapy. Yes. Urine therapy.   And, so we bought I was really tired of me in it. We didn't order any wine. We're just everybody just I said, I'll be back. Give me a jam jar. I went back. And everybody got stuck. No. We did bother with wine. But one of the things that came up was, you know, toe fungus. Do you ever get it under your nail? No.  

[00:20:38] Unknown:

No. I don't. We never get that. No. Because you can get rid of it with apple cider vinegar.  

[00:20:43] Unknown:

Okay.   What? You put that you put that on, it's ectopic, is it? Or you drink it? Yeah. Which of those? Well, you but both. Both. But apple cider vinegar will get rid of that. Yeah. And,  

[00:20:56] Unknown:

yeah. I mean, I've never something I've never really had a problem with,   toe fungus or anything like that.   But I think it is,   it's probably the vitamin deficiency. I don't know, but we better see, Barefoot Foranger would probably have something for that. Let's have let's have a little bit bit see if Barefoot Foranger's got anything for it.  

[00:21:16] Unknown:

See, when you're a bloke, you see, you can basically put your urine wherever you want to.   Yes. It's not difficult. It's not difficult. And it there's something really satisfying about improving your aim, isn't it, Eric Hued now? I mean, it's not the sort of thing to do all the time. Because,   Yeah. No. I mean, I don't have it bad. I've had it for donkey's years. It's just on my big toe on my right foot, everybody. I know you're all absolutely incredibly keen to know where it was. But it it just it it just won't go away because it's buried under the nail, you know. So the rest of my feet Yeah. Are reasonably okay. I'm quite a bit walking. I don't have sort of much else, but  

[00:21:49] Unknown:

I just thought it'd be better to go Yeah. In Apple cider vinegar. Mhmm. And pee will do it. I mean pee, that's what they use to actually wear in army boots, wasn't it? They soak their,   leather in pee.   Yeah. This is in the first world war in particular, and I think in the second world war they did it. Yeah. I mean, my dad did it. And it'll make this leather all nice and supple. And also people won't go near you because you stink the piss. But apart from that, it'll be alright. But Well, apparently, I've been told you don't. And I have actually drunk my own about four or five years ago. I I did it it two days in a row and that  

[00:22:22] Unknown:

I I've still got the psychological thing of going, good grief. What are you doing? And you know, it's all right reading stories about sailors that are sort of clinging onto a life raft and having to drink their own to actually survive and I can understand why you would do it. And all the sort of logic and the science behind it make a lot of sense. Apparently, it stimulates   stem cells.   Also, it's literally   pure filtered water from your body. So it's totally matched   up to the way that your body actually works. You don't be drinking anybody else's, by the way. That's not what we're saying. No. It's your own,   and there's a lot going for you know that thing, of course, when you're a child, when you're in the bath and you pee in the bath and your mum gets cross, all that kind of stuff. Yes. Don't do that. Right. It's dirty and all that. But apparently, it's really good for you because, obviously, the water that's coming out of the tap   is full of whatever it's full of, chlorine and all these other things. Yeah. When you actually pee in the bath   and,   I don't mean for everybody to stop listening to this show and go off and do that right now. It's just, you know, next time Aunt Sally, make note, please. Yeah. Aunt Sally, please make note. Yeah. She may well know this, but she's such a lady that she's never wanted to talk about it. And rightly so, we don't want to know about all this kind of stuff. But apparently, you know, like,   what's that? The Japanese guy who did all the studies about talking to water and giving it good emotions and that the molecules   Yes. Well, it's the same with your urine. And basically, what happens when it goes into the bathwater, it changes all the water, like, through, you know,   instantaneous connected memory through all the water molecules and it gets rid of all the crap out of the bathwater and it's actually good for your skin.  

So It is. That's it. So I'm planning now to drink gallons of water about 05:00 then go for a bath at seven and just go billy o crazy.  

[00:24:03] Unknown:

Yes. It says on your water bill as well. But Seriously. No. Seriously.   Eli would know this. In Vietnam, when a bloke got injured, they'd pee on the wound.   Because in the jungle Yep. That that was the that that was pure water that they and there's something in urine which has got lots of healing properties. And they're written if you cut yourself,   bathe it with urine, and that will that that is a sort of,   natural disinfectant. And it'll actually be especially for you because it's it's got blood in it and all kinds of things like that. So, yes, it's it's very good for you.   And I know that once it there was one chap who went for a couple of months drinking his own pee. And, he reckons it. He's you know, after a while, you don't notice it. And there's a was it Sarah Miles? I think she did it as well, didn't she?  



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But Oh, yes. She did. Yes. She was yes. Yeah. She was on a lot of TV shows. And I think she was one of the first prominent people, sort of a celebrity as it were, to talk about it. And of course, a lot of people were were at the time this'd be in the seventies and eighties, wouldn't it? They were kind of repulsed by this. I would have been one of them, you know,   how dirty and all that. But,   yeah. I think I mean, it might even be in scripture as well. I could be wrong about this, but I know in certain ancient documents, is it not referred to as the water of life?  

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I think so. But I I know that,   in the first World War, the French used garlic   as an antiseptic,   and then they did an extract of urine, which was an, which was an antiseptic. I think the British did it. But that's really a lot of these antiseptics   are,   urine. But Barefoot Forringer in chat has said that for nail fungus, and she's actually got the technical name, which I'm not even gonna begin to.   Was it Onikomikososis   or whatever it is? Apple cider vinegar, as I said, baking soda, hydrogen peroxide,   garlic, coconut oil, tea tree oil, oregano, aloe vera, Epsom salts.  

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Aloe vera.  

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Aloe vera.   Yes.  

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So there we go. I just came across some hydrogen peroxide in a bit of a cupboard clear out today. I don't have much of it, but, I know that that's pretty good for you. Yeah. And one thing I've been doing this week as well, seeing as I were on a healthy look at those gentlemen. We're really trying to look after ourselves. Very unbloke like. I clean my teeth with coconut oil anyway,   and,   it might have been on the Telegram chat, so shout out to whoever did it. I'm sorry. I can never I can't keep on top of all these things, but,   somebody sent in a clip   of That's it. A woman talking about brushing your teeth with coconut  

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oil, but adding turmeric to the coconut oil. Yes. But the trouble is is that yellow stains every bleeping wear and it goes all over the place. Sorry. It did. It did because it went into my beard. Right?  

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I mean, basically, I shave about once every six weeks   and my beard sort of considerable I'm actually in training really to try and get a job as father farmer father Christmas, you see.   And,   so you know you know the guys that used to smoke a lot of cigarettes and they'd get all these Yes. Yeah. All that kind of stuff. And,   I had that. My my   mouth below the bottom part of my beard had gone the sort of bright   curry yellow. Yellow. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. That was quite fun.   Here's how that works.   It does work. Yes. Hello.  

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But,   it it does work.   But,   I actually found,   salt as well. That's that's a good one. Bicarbonate soda, I use. Once a week, I brush my teeth with bicarb and the toothpaste.   But,   yes,   Lidl's doesn't pay us for this, but that those jars of organic,   coconut   oil,   excellent in Littles. You get, it's just over two pounds.  

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You're not bad. No. Organic. And I think you get it, don't you? Don't you Paul? I think I do. I actually just sent my son off the other day. I yeah. Littles, I got him to get 12 jars. I buy by the dozen, so I buy bucket loads. It's so useful. We're frying it. Look, it's just like things have changed, Derek. Here we are talking about all these domestic things, but it's important actually. So, yeah. I don't cook with olive oil anymore. We used to fry things in olive oil, but I understand that goes carcinogenic, so you don't wanna be doing that. So,   I tell you one thing I do. We we sort of boil potatoes up, leave them for a bit, and then I'll slice them and fry them   in, coconut oil, make them golden brown. They're absolutely fantastic with a bit of Oh. Meat or whatever you've got going. Yeah. Yeah. It's great. It's really, really good. It really is. But I'm eating less these days anyway. So I would go to the chip shop, you buy chips, it's sort of like a kilo of chip. I mean, it's just tons, you know. I go, I actually don't want four pounds worth of chips. Well, that's all we sell, you know, you just come out with this huge amount of them. It's not that. And of course, they're cooked in whatever they're cooked in. But whatever. Whatever. Whatever.  



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So Well, there there's something about fish fish shops that I mean, there's very few fish real fish and chip shops around nowadays.   A lot of them gone bust. And what you've got is these ones that sell Kentucky fried not Kentucky fried, but, you know, chicken and god knows what. And they don't know how to do proper fish and chips. You know, like a traditional,   fish and chip   shop. But regarding your nail fungus, I'll not only have a word with Miles about it. Mhmm. At the, Fockemall   doctor, but Doctor. Mayhill is coming on this Monday, plug, plug, plug.   And I might have a word if I can, I'm not sure, about her because it is something inside. It's a vitamin deficiency,   which is causing it. So if you can find what that deficiency   is,   it might be something like iodine or something like that. But, you know, I've actually got some iodine from doctor May Mayhill, and I put just one   little little droplet   of of of that in my tea every day, and that does mean, and that's very, very good for you, iodine.  

And,  

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that also cleans your urine as well. That's another another one that does. And you mentioned fish and chips there. I was on with, Yeah. Was Was it the other week? I can't remember. Or maybe this week. I was listening to, Joss, who's nearby to me, and he's on Ria's show every Thursday. He was saying that he'd had some guests around, and he'd ordered fish and chips for all of them. I think it was about 8.   Yeah. What what do you think he paid?  

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But 8 lots of fish I would I ate lots of fish and chips. I think you'll probably be touching about £50, something like that nowadays.  

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Try 80.   Bloody Nora. Hey. And I bet he has a little tiny bits of fish, little bits of few handful of chips. Well, I don't know. There'd be a riot if you pay at £80 and get any food at all. But I mean, it's just unreal in it. £80 for fish and chips for,   basically, like two families worth, I suppose. So that's probably why people are not going there so often. But enough of this, Gabe. Have we talked enough manure for the opening half an hour? I think we've done pretty well, haven't we really?  

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We haven't. I mean, we have. And the Barefoot Foranger is actually talking about going for a job as, Christmas   Christmas. Well, I actually got a smack around the face because,   I   round in their local town center last year, they had,   Santa's Grotto. And that these lovely scantily dressed ladies,   you know, sort of, like, acting as I don't know what they were. Dwarves or something. I don't know. Yeah. To usher the people in to see Santa Claus. And I said, it must be fun.   Do you do you help Santa to empty your sack every day every evening? And I mean, what did I No.   What did I say wrong?  

What did I say wrong? I just I just don't know. I just put my foot in it every time. I mean, I went into a shop to buy some felt. Excuse me. Can you tell me where I can get felt? Smack around the face again. I just don't know what it is. I just don't know what it is. I just don't know what it is. I've misplaced my Reader's Digest handy book of double entendres, and I can't actually kind of figure out exactly  

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what you just said.  

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I'll get it after the show.  

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Anyway,   we we have a we have a guest who we've been trying to bring in. I know he was with you on Monday, but,   Nathan Lucius is, is here, with us. I think he's currently muted. Let me just have a look. I've just brought put him on the stage. I'm gonna oh, he's he's not muted now. He's not now. He's he's unmuted now. Oh, we love it when you're unmuted, Nathan. It's so much it's so much more interesting for the listeners. This is great.   Well, I was just wondering why nobody was responding to me while I've been talking for the last half an hour. It's just, now now now I understand it's because I've been muted all the time. Well, it's a tactic. What we do is we like to dump people in the side part of the studio and let them talk to themselves. Right? And then they get in the mood with the whole thing. That's what we do. So, yeah, that's what we do. Anyway, it's great to have you on board. How how have you been? I know we've sent a few messages and everything. And I know you were looking around with Eric on Monday. I caught some of that show, but not all of it. But it's great to have you here. How have you been doing? Not heard from you in a little while.  

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Have you not? It can't have been that long, surely. No. It's been that long.   It has. Well, I've been I've been gallivanting away with, miss Barefoot Forager over there. So, you know  

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Well, this is a family show, Nathan, and we can't but that's, we're very pleased for you. What? We're happy to keep it clean.  

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So how long is it now? It's the same size as it's always been. Sorry. The the lump doesn't pop up. I mean, to be fair, when you when you said you were gonna spend the first half of the show talking about shite, I never expected you would literally go into urine therapy. I mean, that's that's an it's an interesting one.  

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Yeah. Well, I never know quite we never quite know what we're gonna end up talking about. I've got a few sort of things to peg on. I wanted to talk a little bit about your book. Oh, really?   Yeah. Yeah. I wanna talk a little bit about your book tonight because we've   Nice. You know, we we just wanna do that. I've got the chapter headings here because I've been going through it.   I haven't been reading it. I don't have a copy. Well, I just, you know, a kick I still haven't sent you a copy. Oh, god. I'm I'm the worst. I'm the worst salesman ever. Right? It's my own book and I'm the worst one at selling it, honestly. I know. Well, this is the whole reason for getting on to the show. This is the whole reason we're getting on, is to embarrass you about that. But I I can't do it now because you've you've preempted me. I was gonna embarrass you about it, but you you beat me to the punch. I don't think you'd I'm probably gonna get a Kindle version.   I'm a I'm a big Kindle guy, and I think Kindle's gonna work for me, with your book. That's why I was checking it out. I don't have a copy just yet. I've been reading so much over the last week that I've not I don't even know really what's going on in the news, which is really fantastic.  

It's great.  

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It's really good. Liberating. You're freeing your mind, mate. Because there's nothing good in the news. And honestly, is it even news or is it just propaganda at at this point? I don't know. I think there's a song in there though. Is it news or is it propaganda?   I don't know. There gotta be a song in there. I I ain't singing for you. I mean, people keep trying to get me to sing. I ain't doing that, especially on No? They're doing that. What a pity.  

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I know. Yeah. It is. It's a And what about Atlas?  

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What about Atlas? Have you heard about that? That's   that's a UFO or something. Yeah. Little spade green men that are supposed to be coming through to us, and it disappeared.   Yes. Apparently, it's just gone. So that's alright. So we yes. So we all take  

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a sigh of relief. The bleeding thing's gone. So I think they were saying, Eric, though, that it's gone around the backside of the sun. Isn't that what they've been saying?  

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Yes. And it should have come out, and it hasn't.  

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So Or should it? Oh, you've you've completely lost me now, Atlas. I mean, what what what's what's the oh, good. Okay. So What's the news?  

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Alright. So what Eric's referring to is that there is an object that they've been tracking and talking about for the last three or four weeks, I guess. You see a lot of   posts on it on Twitter and place or x and this that and the other. And they're trying to ascertain whether it's got   whether it's under its own   direction or whether it's actually conforming to the   standard logic of an object flying through the universe. And there's some dispute about this.   And it's supposed to be emitting some kind of a signal which they can't work out because it's not like supposedly not like a signal that's emitted by any other   solid bodied or gaseous object floating through the universe.  

What was the difference?   All this talk   Sorry. There. Sorry. Good reset. Yeah. No. No. No. It's fine. That's why we that's why you're here. And, Exactly.   I know that Cliff High I don't know if you've are you familiar with Cliff High? Yeah. I'm familiar with yeah. I'm familiar with Cliff. He's intriguing. I quite like some of Cliff's stuff. I don't go along with all of it. But he writes about it with such passion and conviction and it's very compelling and his study of all these statistics and stuff. Anyway, I I mean, I don't want to put words in his mouth. I get the idea that he thinks that there is something big about to happen.   But even if it doesn't,   first of all, I've got to tell you, I'd like it to. I think a lot of people would. I've seen a lot of posts say, it's so boring down here. There's nothing going on. This would be cool. And I'm going, that's the sort of comment I would make. Yeah. Go on then. Rock up. Tell us what's been going on because, you know, everybody else we've got down here is clueless and they're just lying to us all the time.  

Because what happens thing about alien abduction, isn't it? I mean, it's like, you know, all the aliens are coming. So, oh, thank god for that. You know, take us two leaders. No. We're gonna spare you the details. Just just get rid of the leaders, and we'll we'll accept whatever you replace them with because they couldn't get much worse at this point. You know? I mean Please please send down the ships. You know? Yeah. I mean, what happens though if they rock up and they're just like the people that are in charge down here? They just start to bullshit us all the time. Would we even know? Yeah. It's a bit like look. I understand that you're really clever and you've flown all across the universe and everything, but really, are you how do we work out whether you're actually talking through your backside or so telling us straight? I suppose there might be some But they might say minute. They might sorry. I didn't mean to chime in there. No. They might say something very boring. They might sort of get out of their spaceship and say, great things.  

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I've been traveling 20,000,000   light years. I think you know what's coming up.   Could I use your toilet, please? You know, it could be something like that. You know?  

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They could.  

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They could absolutely do that. If they're not intelligent, they'd probably come here and thank god I'm leaving. Don't forget that. We're just gonna skip this one and go, well, there's a bit of intelligent life, you know? It's a bit Yeah. Well I think I think, you might I mean, they might be intelligent and articulate, but they could be like this, couldn't they?  

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And and, of course, if they if they were, they're gonna get on really well with Keir Starmer because he talks. Oh, you beat me to it. I was gonna say that's Keir Starmer.  

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I I   I   I I I  

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Oh, the old clips are the best. Yeah. So maybe they've come to have a chat with Kier. I don't know.   And then we can get it all sorted out. Everything can be sorted out and made neat and tidy. Yeah. Brilliant. Absolutely fantastic.   Yes. Yes. But, I don't know. Did you ever see hope it's real? I want it to be real. I know, Eric, you're cynical about it, and you're right to be. And I can put my cynical hat on as well. Sometimes, though, I put my gormless, naive, blue eyed idiot hat on just to see what it's like and go, oh, this is gonna be great. And it's quite fun to play that role, you know, because I don't know one way to do it really.  

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I hope it I hope it's real as well. But, I mean, have you ever seen that film? It came out, I think, in the eighties or nineties with Jimmy now called Morons from Outer Space.   And it was a send up of Close Encounters. It was absolutely   hysterical.   Done on a budget. And it was about,   about   some people there was a there was a planet called plop   that's the opposite side the sun which is absolutely identical to earth   and these morons got in a pink spaceship they're real thick as anything a landed ear   It's it's absolute you're off your seat with laughter.   It really is a good film. You never hear of it now. It might be free on YouTube. I don't know. It's old enough. But I don't think anything's free on YouTube, is it? There's always a price to pay on YouTube. I don't know.  



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Maybe it's too close to the truth, Eric, which is why we don't hear about it right now. Maybe it's actually one of those   programming films that's actually sort of predictive programming. You say, this is really what it's gonna be like. Well It might be just underwhelming when they come out. Oh, we don't know how we got here. We found this rocket on another planet. We just came here. Hello.  

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Right. Well, there's a marvelous scene   Yeah. Which, Nathan, I think you were to hone in on it. It's it's it's classic.   It's supposed to be comedy, but it's really serious in a way.   Because this tart that comes from the planet plot, she's being taken there by a limousine towards,   a, television studio to because they want to interview his alien. But they they they look exactly like us. And, she's putting some lipstick on on this car. It goes over a bum. And she actually does it. It goes, oh, and it got cheek, you see, this lipstick.   And so she goes on television with this line up my cheek. And from there on, we're all the women that go up meter. I've all got I'll put lipstick on with a line going up the cheek going, oh, look. Look. Hello. You know, I'd always sort of showing off this line going up the cheek. And that just goes to show the people's mentality.  



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You know? Okay. But you know what I think, though? I think I think the nudge unit's probably beyond that. Just to see how many people I can get wearing lipstick up their cheek.  

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It probably is. Well, it's What is a nudge unit?  

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What I know I know what it is, but I'm I'm inviting you. One of either. Yeah. What's a what's a nudge unit? Let's talk about nudging.  

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Nudging is  

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would would you wanna go first, Nathan, or me? I don't know. Well, I don't well, you've already started. I mean, I've I've I've written about the nudge unit in the book. So, I mean, we can You got you got your heart's content. So it's,  

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what A certain magazine,   which I'm not going to mention the name of,   what they do, if you're trying to introduce an agenda,   you make that agenda look normal   whilst   amusing people or go or or or,   attracting the people, being like a pied piper. So you attract them with things they want to hear, like comedy and things like that. And then you gradually nudge in   the agenda   that they so for example, suppose they wanted to, nudge   in boat people to accept boat people, you would have a boat person telling a joke   in part of this comedy that they'll do. So that you accept that these people coming over by boat. Oh, that's but they're perfectly okay. Little things like that. That's nudge. Mhmm.   So, over to you, Nathan.  



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Well, I'm just gonna go in for the for the for the main, like, theme of what it is, which is social engineering, isn't it? But it's a subtle form of social engineering that's that's almost below threshold so that it becomes more effective.   You know, if you if you try and if you try and openly tell somebody what to do, you're gonna have an open rebellion. There are people saying, nope. We're not doing that.   I don't wanna do that because somebody's telling me. But if you if you do it discreetly, if you do it subliminally and and, you know, it's very, very effective.   So that's effectively what they're doing is is they they are   engineering society in a certain direction by by little tweaks every every, you know,   bit down the line. It's it's it's like you're saying that they they use multiple media forms and   it they're very clever at it. Yeah. I think it's like soft kill. Did it almost.  



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Well,   doors those little swing doors as you walk into a supermarket.   Now why they're there, I don't know. Because they used to have an open concourse. You could just walk in and walk out with ease. But now they've got these swing doors   to get people so it registers in your subconscious. You go through this little swing door, which automatically opens when you get there. So when they introduce this digital ID,   which I hope they don't, you'll have to put your digital ID  

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on this little scanner, and the door will open for you to let you in. Oh, well that would be nice. That'll make life easier, won't it? And I can't For your safety. Yeah. I I want to be safe, and I want more convenience.   So that sounds good. Yeah.  

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Great. Yeah. But you you could see them bringing this in five years ago when the when the start of the barriers, and you have to use your receipt to get in and out. And people like yourself and and me and people in the chart well, you know, I'm not being funny, but this was kind of obvious. You could see where this was going. You know?   And anyone who was surprised by the whole digital ID thing, have have you been living under a rock? I mean, you want microchips into you. How do you think they're gonna get to the microchip stage without going through through this little bit where they're gonna get your digital ID? And then it'll be on your phone, then it'll be on your wrist, then it'll be in your wrist, and then you'll be a slave to the system. Isn't that wonderful? But so but I mean, to be fair, it is it is overtly obvious to anyone paying attention. And, you know, when when it you know, the whole, are we allowed to say that word now, that naughty virus, when they brought the pass out for that when you had to,  

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Divots. What? Measles?  

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You mean measles? Yeah. Oh, yes. That's the one. That's the one. Yeah.   But,   you know, when as soon as they were doing that, it's like, well, we know where this is going. This is entrainment. This is trying to get people to   accept it subconsciously so that when they do bring it, it'll be like, oh, well, it was easy, and it's probably for our benefit because, you know, why wouldn't it be for our benefit if it's coming from,   our benevolent   overlords?   Yeah, something like that.  

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So No. You know that you know   sorry. Nathan? No. No. Carry on. I was just gonna hop back to what Eric was saying about doors and this conditioning on doors. Do you think that you know those great buildings that were built in the early part of the nineteen hundreds that had rotating doors? Do you think that that was basically trying to send out a message to people that your life is about going around in circles?   Maybe the people at the time would have thought. Although, they didn't have the Internet then to actually work that one up. Half of the condition, you know, we actually provide it back to ourselves, don't we?   In the sense that,   when you're sort of resisting or analyzing all the stuff that you're doing, you're actually am we're continually amplifying their message. This is why Mhmm. To some degree, we're not actually really resisting it. Not that I'm into resistance because I've you know, it's the judo thing. Whatever you resist kind of persists. Persists.  

But but we we do. We actually participate to some degree   in really picking up all this detailed knowledge about what they're doing to us, and it almost, like, makes it more real. That's part of I think that's part of the psychological   processes that they've worked out that we do. We're we're right to respond to it. We're right to look at it. Mhmm. But but when we get excessive about it, I mean, I suppose that's like when you get nerdy about it, you know, which is this obsession with minute details about certain things.   It it it tends to act to reinforce the programming. Oh, I'm really against that. What you against? All this and then someone will tell you everything about something. You go, okay fine, but maybe we should go off and build something else, you know, which is a which is a much bigger sort of challenge, I think.  

And on the nudging thing as well yeah. Just going back to that on the nudging stuff,   the one that leaps out at me the most in terms of,   or the one that I   that I respond to more and see more often because I'm looking for it, is the placement of people outside of our race in advertising.   This is I think I got some statistics through the other day that these people are still in the minority, but,   when these aliens from Atlas arrive, and look they may well. It could be absolutely an amazing thing if they do. Amazing is probably not the word that people are going to use but,   they would get the impression that everything's sort of fifty fifty around here. It isn't.  

But the conditioning is to actually create that impression in everybody's head so that people are just used to this,   which is of course part of the convenience conditioning   program.   Of course, by me voicing that, I've now just gone on some other particular lists somewhere   or whatever.  

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But, I'm not the only one Probably on a fair few of those. I mean, let's be honest. We're we're already on the list. They know we are. They know we are just by by by observing us on CCTV and what we say on social media. Not that I use social media, but, you know, they've they've got us they've they've they know who we are. They know where we are, which which then   which is why I keep saying to people, so you can't hide anymore. So why don't you just do the right thing? You know, figure it out and do the right thing. Mhmm. It's it really is that simple.   Yeah. It is. It yeah. It's unfortunately it's it's it's one of those things where it seems now as if   because we've got convenience, because we've got comfort, because it's, you know, okay. Some people love their their smartphone, their their devices, their tech, their their Lexus, and stuff like this. To them, some people will love it. I know some of these people, you know, and and they're so called   awake,   and they're bringing it in. They're they're they're actually,   pushing that particular agenda, and it's like, well, at some point, it's gonna become real uncomfortable, and you're going to have to   part with some of this or at least   get vocal about it. Get some conviction, you know?  



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I I've had, since,   your show a couple of weeks back, Eric, when you had Mark on the bowler headed farmer, which was   Oh, yes. A really a really good show. I think I mentioned that I've been, on my walkabouts   talking to people,   and I talked to quite a few on,   was it yesterday or Tuesday?   It was a fine day. I went out for a quick jaunt. And within about 200 yards, I spoke to three neighbors because they just happened to be   within target range and I saw them. And it's,   just talking about the idea of   trying to build something here.   Listen, I'm not even sure whether it's really gonna work. I'm just out there doing sort of sussing out people and where their emotional   or critical level is at. Not with a view to judgment, just to try and find out what you've got to work with.  

Just like they're trying to suss out, you know, who am I and why am I speaking to them? And,   the the responses are good. There's a guy actually nearby,   he's fantastic with his he's a mechanic and he's basically rebuilding or has rebuilt an AC Cobra. It's absolutely magnificent, this vehicle that he's put together. Right? I mean, it's just brilliant.   It's,   metallic blue. The only thing I don't like about it, which I haven't got the heart to tell him, is the wheels that he's chosen for it. They're far too ornate. They're not right. They need to be simple. But I I don't have his confidence enough to be critical of his work because the rest of it is just absolutely awesome. And he it was a sunny day. It was out there. He had the bonnet open. He's got the engine ticking over, and it's just his pride and joy. And I'm just I love it. It's a contribution, you know. You just walk past someone doing things like that. You just think this is cool, and it is.   I I just,   so I said hi because we've been saying hi to one another for three or four years really and,   I I said, do you mind if I have a word? And he said, you know, I didn't say it so formally but I said, listen, I just want to run an idea by you. And I said, look, I said, I don't know what you think about the country but I said,   you know, and I mentioned I just used the word politics. I wasn't I didn't want to talk to him about politics. I really want to talk to him, but it was interesting his response because I could see a slight ripple of anxiety run across his face   and he went, that's a really touchy thing. I mean, he was concerned straight off. I said, oh good, I'm glad you're aware of that. Yes, it is. I said I said, I don't mind what your politics are. I said, you're quite safe with me. I've never voted for a party in my life and I'm not going to.  

But we had a good little chat. It was the people's responses are very they're interesting. I spoke to another   person who thought it was just a good idea, but I could tell from the way that they were talking that that was it. This was just, oh, that'll be a nice thing to do. That's all it was. It wasn't   it didn't sort of lean into other parts of a conversation which were, yeah, we ought to be doing something to sort of look after one another, which is really what I think is what is what I feel strong that we have to do. I'm trying to find a way of doing it. And then   and then I talked to another guy I've known for a long time. He was great. He's just shooting off to Australia for a holiday for three months. I said, well, you've picked a good time. He said, my daughter's down then. So there's summer and he's going down to Perth or somewhere like that. But he was kinda on for it. It was good. He was quite lively. He's probably a little bit older than me, but very practical sort of guy out there looking after his house every day, painting it. It's very well presented.  

Everybody's house around here is well presented compared to ours, but they forgive me. They don't sort of abuse me verbally. Well, not yet anyway.   And,   he was much more sort of he was warmer and into it, but it just got me thinking about the sort of logistics of it. I I was thinking, well, we could have a food drop at this parish hall, and then I'm thinking,   yeah but if all those people come together you know what it's like, right? When you get people together and then do people actually want to be disturbed?   But, the the last guy I spoke to had kind of sussed in on this. He said he said, that'd be nice. He said, you know, you look around and everybody's just in their house all day. I said, yeah.  

He said, and what do they do? He said, they go out, they come back,   so they're in a box all day. I think he said something like that, you know, working away at stuff. He said, I quite liked all that because I liked being in with the team most of my life. It was good to sort of go to a place and have office banter or whatever he was doing.   And, he said, but they could just come out and plonk in front of the TV.   And as he said that, I'm thinking, I'm probably talking to lots of people who are doing just that every night and that there isn't much level of inquiry   or curiosity. But the truth is I actually don't know so I'm being curious to find out how curious everybody is. I think I think that's really what's going on with me now. I like that. Yeah. Well, it proves that you're still thinking though, doesn't   it? Yeah. It's just to see to see if we can get some connective glue no matter how thin it may be.  

If there's some form of connective glue and then I thought, well, people are gonna   apparently, there's a WhatsApp group for where I live and I'm not on it, but some of my next door neighbors said, you don't want to get on that. I said, why? It's just people looking for their cats.   They've all lost their cats. Right? I'm going,   okay. Well, it's a needed service if you're a cat lover and you're sad that you've lost your cat. You get these little posters everywhere, you know, Timmykins,   dear pet lost four days ago and stuff like this.   And,   but it's some kind of a connection. It's whether people   you know, then I think about people like us, and I think, are we maniacs? And I think in risk in relation to most other people, we are gonna be sort of viewed like that. So   my conversations are not heavy at all. They're just sort of like, could we do something constructive together? Like, maybe sort out an alt an additional source of food to support the farmers. That one strikes a chord, actually.  

Everybody I spoke to is aware that the farmers are under the cosh and they think it's wrong.   That was that's a really good thing to know.  

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A very, very good thing to know. Just just, looking at the comments here, there's a couple of things.   And, well, one of one of the things I was gonna break up break up, not that, bring up,   is what Barefoot forager e has just said. I wonder if there's a link between phone and TV hours. Right. So I'm I'm gonna say yes to that because   you've mentioned there that you're curious about watching people and stuff like that, which which is great. But   what what you're seeing now is everybody's glued to their phones. I mean, I know I've I've spoken about this. I mean, it's not it's not isn't a secret these days, is it? Everyone can see it. But if you if you go and, you know, go anywhere, everyone's on their phone. If you go to a restaurant, a coffee shop, pub, supermarket,   even in a park, everybody's glued to the phone, whether that's the kids, the adults, the kids sat with the adults. Yeah. It's it's it's just a constant stream of   people walking around and transpire by by their black mirror device. Right? I mean, that's effectively what it is. And so that I I genuinely think, and again, along with TV,   I I think that that was what kinda brought this in. I think, again, it's all entrainment. It's all to get us used to it. Things get smaller and smaller and, you know, the black mirrors become more more personalized   to you.  

It's   to me, it's it's just overt at this point that that they're hypnotizing us with this,   you know, the these devices, they're getting us hooked. And it's it's it's stopping people from communicating. It's stopping people from,   thinking, being aware of the outside world, being aware of each other. It's it's actively you know, when we talk about gender twenty '30, it's pushing that agenda, but but it's not so much that they're pushing it. We are we are promulgating it for them. We we are pushing it on their behalf because We're being smothered by it gently nudged into it. You're absolutely right. It's  

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this guy that I was speaking to noticed that. I said, what do you think about the I said, you go out for a walk? He said, every now and again. I said, what do you think about the, you know, the energy and exuberance of the people around you? I I was being intentionally sarcastic. He said he said, they're funny, aren't they? I said, yeah.   He said, it's just not like it used to be. I said, well, everywhere we look, the congregation spaces I was thinking just, you know, even from this food drop thing, if that's what I end up doing, it might be something else.   It might be just too much trouble or whatever.  

I thought, if we do it, say, once a fortnight, then people know that they rock up at this place, and it's open for a couple of hours to pick up their order or whatever we do,   and they might talk to one another.   They might actually   talk to one and it does I don't care what it is. They can talk about bloody football if they want to. It doesn't matter. It's the mere fact that you're getting together and doing it, you know. How how long? I've just just as a curiosity thing here. Right? So let's let's say if we did break away from our phones. Right? And and  

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and, you know, how how long do you think it would take for society   to   go back into that communicative space where they where they can,   you know, be social again, where where they can   inquire about things, where they can be curious, where they, you know, where they can talk about things that doesn't require,   propaganda   media telling them what to think or or, you know, what what today's subject is. How how long do you think it would take to undo the programming,  

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you know, from from smart devices and things like that? That's a good question. Maybe we need to run a a lottery or a book on it and take bets on it. I think it would be a long time. I mean, if you think about people even prior to smartphones.   Right? Mhmm. Although people congregated more and spoke more, they they weren't really ever talking about these things.   Now one of the reasons they weren't talking about them is that the huge the vast majority of people have sort of come into this space courtesy of the measles  

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epidemic. I don't mind saying COVID. Do you get banned if you say it or something? I don't I don't even know what it is. I think it depends on the context, doesn't it? If you if you say, certain stubby things, even yeah. I think I think it changes the, the context of it. It's ridiculous. So   It's absolutely ridiculous. Well, it is stubby things, isn't it? It is. I mean, you could be saying talking about little pricks or something. I mean  

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Yeah. Yeah. That covers a lot of ground, that one, that phrase. It does. It does. It could have been so many avenues to go down for that one. It does. But they weren't I mean, they'd not been exposed to these things, but most people, I suppose, throughout their life would   have never, sort of, pursued a line of inquiry into the things that they don't know.   I don't know if I was mentioning we've got a song coming up in a few minutes. I've gotta play a song we're at the end of the first hour, but I was just thinking Well, I I didn't know coffee, sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You make a coffee and all that kind of stuff. Yeah.   Did I mention that I I was talking to some people from the reform party   the other day. No. Well, not not not that I'm aware of. Yeah. That's that's a good one. So look, we'll hang it there because we're just coming up to the end of the first hour. I'll talk about reform afterwards, all these people that I met which I was much more interested in. Anyway,   you're listening to Paul English Live here on WBN three two four. We're halfway through the show with our WBN slot because we roll on for days and days on other formats, but,   I want you to imagine that Eric is the nineteen sixties.  

Eric's smartly dressed   and he's just going down to the pub and he needs some music. We need some music to create a dramatic backdrop to this and there's all these   this is it. Alright? So it it sounds something like this. We'll be back after   this.   Lay off those bloody bongos.   Yes. Eric, you know that theme tune?  

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Yes. From the Avengers, one of my favorite programs, and I used to fancy   Diana Rigg because she had nice big   teeth teeth. That's yes. That's what it was. Yes. She And, I'm glad you took it in that direction. I'm so glad. Yes.   She didn't.  

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Actually, she didn't. She wasn't voluptuous.   No.   But she was, I just realized the other day. So yes. Actually, somebody did guess it. Who guessed it?   Alice Gore just got it. So I've just she got 10 points and she gets a free Fockem Hall pencil, except we don't know where you live. And it's not your real name, so it's almost impossible to give you the gift. So you'll have to have a sort of metaphorical pencil, something like that. But,   yeah. So Diana Rigg played,   Emma Peel. Right?   That was her name. That's right. That's right. Yes. And I was thinking about this the other day. I don't know if this is true, but obviously, it's it's m   appeal, as in man appeal, appealing to men. Yes. You think that they did that  

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in that way? I think they probably did. Yes. Because what was her name now? Missus,   oh,   in this is Emma Peel, but, a name in the show was missus Emma Peel. It was Emma Peel. That's it. Diana Rigg played Emma Peel.   You should play Emma Peel. Yeah.   But there,   but there was another name they gave her.   Missus something or other. Missus Peel. Was married, wasn't she? Yeah. You know, she was she was actually yeah. Missus Peel because that was it. Because   that's right. That's right. She was married, and her husband had got lost or something. And and she was married. And there's a scene where,   what's his name?  

Oh, look. It was looking out the window,   and it seemed a little bit sad that her she is really nicely with her husband.   And,   then the next one came in who I didn't really like, that Canadian woman. I don't think she was there's something about her, but I prefer I think Diana Rigg was the best, missus Peel. Yeah. I think she I think, actually, she it's one of the,  

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just it was my favorite Steve. That was it. Kid. It was Same here. Same here. It was just my fave I think those opening credits as well, which is what we took that theme. If you go on what they're just the most fantastic opening credits to a a TV series. They're pouncing around,   shooting one another, popping champagne corks. It's full of all that. Yeah. And drinking champagne out of those champagne glasses. Somebody's written Oh. My dad used to dance to this and never spilt a drop. Good on him. Fantastic. Somebody else wrote sounds like a gay James   Bond theme. No. It doesn't.  

We don't do that sort of thing, but I know what they mean. Well, Steven, to be fair, it kinda does a little bit. Let's be honest. Little tiny bit. I was a young man at the time. I wouldn't have even known that. That's right. It was just enchanted. You ruined him all my memories. Stop it, the lot of you.   If  

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do you remember when Stede he he was always debonair, but he said he never ever had a gun.   He always used with different weapons because he was against it because, he didn't like using weapons. So you notice he always used his bowler hat or a walking stick that turned into a   sword or something like that, but he never used a gun in that. He used his brolly, didn't he? He used his brolly gun. That's right.  

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And he also used,   he was dressed very well. He definitely was a sharp dressed man. Yes. Dressed immaculately.   I think he used,   polite language, devastating weapon, incredibly polite and charming all the time. That's right. When he's talking to the villains as they're holding a gun on him, he was just soft. I mean, the whole thing, of course, he's mad. By the way, one of the writers for that is a guy called Brian I suppose he must have passed off passed away by now. Brian Clemens. Yeah? I don't know if you it was by Albert Fennell. They were the screenwriters for most of them and Brian Clemens.   Interesting   nerdy fact about Brian Clemens.  

I think he was the great great grandson   of Samuel Longhorn   Clemens,   better known as   another 10 points in Vekimod pencil. Anybody here? Takers?   Samuel Longhorn Clemens is more popularly known as Mark Twain.   How about that? Oh.  

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And the most of it is filmed around near where I live.   Was it really? It's in five o it was filmed in half a shit. No. It's that's right. Fuck it. Yeah. And the Bentley. Do you remember? He always drove an old Bentley, didn't he? A nineteen thirties Bentley.  

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He did in the early episode. Yeah. They he did. Yeah. He drove that Bentley. And,   I just think I think Diana Riggs'   performance is just amazing, and she's the most   fantastically feminine woman. I mean, she became a figure, didn't she, for the,   sort of feminists and everything, which I think she rejected. I wasn't particularly interested in. But just everything she's so charming you think,   oh, yeah.   Yeah. That's really just she was ridiculously charming. She they gave her some great lines. They paid her peanuts, you know. That's why she left. She got paid nothing.   And then she got offered that role in the Bond film,   with, Lazenby.  

And that's why she left the series. Broke broke Patrick McNeese heart, he said in an interview. He said it was awful when he found out about And also Yeah.  

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And the the the other one was, who was before Diana Rigg? It was on a black man, wasn't it?  

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Yeah. In the black and white version. And before that, there was another version. God, we're really going nerdy now. Which was before me. There's '25. Well, it wasn't. I was around but I wasn't watching TV when I was zero   or one or something like that. They had the first version was really heavy. It had Ian McShane in it and it was, not Ian McShane. Some other guy went on to be no. It's not. Ian McShane. I've got that wrong. He's too young for that. There was another guy. It was very heavy. Yeah. It was like a cop thing, the Avengers, and they worked with the cops. But it it morphed into this real sort of swinging sixties slightly surreal thing. Yes. One of the things I used to love about it is that they have these huge sets and there'd be nobody on them. It had this sort of eerie empty   thing, but the dialogue and the crazy plots really made it work.  

Remember Mother?   That guy that used to Oh,  

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yeah. The bloke he he he's a bit of a natter. He he he was always in weird position paces, wasn't he? Sort of in the middle of a swimming pool or a boat or something or Yeah. Pick up a phone and answer it in the middle of nowhere. It was just wonderfully weird as a kid.  

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Playful,   incredibly creative and playful, but not,   and just joyous, really.   You know, the plots were kind of secondary. It was just all the quality of the actors. Anyway, enough of this TV nostalgia unless you want to carry on for another hour. Well, now what I was gonna say is God, no. No. No. No. No. They could do all my  

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time with this stuff. Would you remember Purdy? Because,   because   Stede,   he admitted,   that he,   he said he shouldn't have been in the second series. He said second series was fine to go ahead, but he shouldn't have been in it. He said I realized, he said I shouldn't I shouldn't it should have just been Jonah Lumley, the other geezer, who I can't remember what what his name was. Gareth Hunt.   And him as well. Yeah. And I think it was. No worries. Like Why am I remembering this? This is tragic. It's this the amount of crap is in my head. I don't know how it even got in there. I never watched that. It wasn't classic. But I I didn't like the second one. I I like the first series, but do you remember the, copy   of the Avengers, which was a complete failure   that was department s   with Peter Wingard,   who was late to found in a public he was found in a public lavatory doing something doing a Tony Blair.  



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He was the fop of fops, wasn't he? He was absolutely  

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That's right.  

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That well, actually,   let's end on this because Nathan's completely excluded because he's very, very young.  

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Yes.  

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The the infamous   episode of The Avengers,   that they wouldn't air,   they never aired it,   is where   Jason Wyngarde is what's it called? The Hellfire Club.   So it's got Oh. The one   with China rigging leathers. I've seen that's on YouTube. Right. It's actually leather. I thought you might not forget that. Yeah. And he and he whipped the yeah. And they said this is too kinky even for ITV in the nineteen sixties. So they Yes. They didn't show it. But enough of this tish tosh about, about TV themes. See, we only have to play one theme. We go off on a big old man's sort of, well, I remember when I was a boy. Yes. That kind of stuff. Yeah. But, yeah. They were I I think they were a bit more special really, TV shows back in the sixties. They were a bit more they were definitely more upbeat and playful and fun. They really were a lot a lot of fun, but then they had better writers back then anyway. Now, before we just went off into memory lane like old Duffers often do or are doing more often, I was mentioning wasn't I just before that that   I think it must have been this Saturday if I've not spoken to you about it.  

My son sort of had been out in the morning. He came back. He said, hey, dad. There's some reform people up on the street chatting with people. I thought, well, I've got to go and buy some coffee.   And I thought I could do with the chat. So I went up to see them and they were good. Obviously, I must have been their last customer of the day because they were taking the tent down when I arrived. As soon as I got there, I went oh we better start taking the tent down but no. I ended up speaking about fifteen twenty minutes.   They were kind of keen to know whether I would vote for them. I said, no. They said, no. I said, well, I don't do that.  

And, I said, don't worry. I said, I don't vote for anybody else either.   But they were good. They They were just good English people and and I as it was going on, I'm thinking this is actually interesting in a in another way. Interesting is possibly not the right word, but it's captivating. Why? Here we are a year and a half into this disaster.   Actually, we're much longer into that, but the current version of the disaster, this Labour version of it. And you've got people out on the streets talking to the public   about correcting the whole problem. I can't remember when that sort of happened. I mean, maybe I'm goofy because I don't go out. Out. Maybe political parties do this all the time. But these were just decent sort of housewives and business owners. They were all good blokes and good women. There were probably more men than women there, I think. About four or five women, about 15 blokes,   all part of this reform party here locally.  

Had a great chat with them. And when I started talking about the food thing,   they they got really interested. They said, that's good. I said, well, it's not a rocket science idea. People have done that sort of as because what they were saying to me was they said, look. We know the nation's obviously got a problem as a whole, but we're really concerned about what's happening locally. I said, now I'm interested in that. That I'm interested in. So they said and I started talking about banking, Eric, because she got to. Right? You've got to. Excellent. Excellent. You know, because they they they asked me and I said, well, look. I said, Nigel Farage. I said,   I'm not trying to be hypercritical. I said, but I won't mind a beer with him   but seriously, if you get him in, he won't be able to do anything. I said, I know you think this is an awful thing for me to say but he's not in charge. I said, do you know that he just had his first meeting with the Bank of England about three weeks ago? They said, no. I said, oh, you don't know about that? I said, no. I said, that's where they're actually lining him up to do it. I said, I don't think you've got any concerns. He's their man. He's already been earmarked to move in   because they've created him as the populist and this is what they want. I said, but it's I said it will be an absolute miracle if we could do things that you really want him to do without getting killed.  

And they looked at me and they said and then one of the women, this was really interesting.   She said,   I just mentioned a bit about the bank. I said, look, you you know, I do my usual thing. You went to school. Yeah. You don't know anything about banking? No. I said, don't you think that's a bit weird? Really? Seriously? I mean, look, all these people I don't have a clue where all all the money works at all. I didn't go into a big sort of detailed thing of it but I went into enough to get their curiosity and then a woman said to me, she said, you know, I've just been reading about the Fabian Society. I said, you have? I said, what have you read? She said, well, I don't know much about it. She said, but it's extremely worrying.   I said, oh.  

I said, I I think I'd be able to worry you to death, actually,   if we really get into it. I said, when did you start looking at that? She said about four or five months ago. She said, I wasn't aware of all this other stuff. I said, it's fantastic that you now are. Brilliant. Really. I mean, when did a woman or anybody say, I now know about the Fabian Society.   I said, you know that they're all in it. She said, well, I'm discovering this. She said, but it's very concerning.   I said, I'm glad you're very concerned. That's absolutely the appropriate response, you know. And they said, could you help us? I said, well, I don't know. She said, well, we have meetings. We have some really lively chats. You'd be more than welcome. We'd love to hear what you've got to say. I said, count me in. So I'm gonna I'm probably gonna sign up just so that I can go along and listen. I want to hear it's like, you know, I'm curious to know what these people are actually saying   and also to see how fast it takes when the shutters come down when you start talking about banking. It's pretty quick, but it's not as quick as it used to be.  

So that's I you know, any place to do a bit of on the street market research is a good thing, I think.  

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That's excellent. But if you say usury,   they look at you as if it's a new washing powder or something. Usury? What's that? Nobody knows on the street what usury is. No. And that is what's ruling our life. Usury. It's a So we have a we have a communication challenge, don't we? We have to find a way of delivering  

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these extremely   serious topics, and,   actually, it's the serious implications of them, to a neophyte audience.   You know? I mean, I I view it as a sort of protective shield for me. The more people that know these things and at least begin to gently we wanna nudge them in this direction. You know, if we're if we're gonna use nudging, how do I how do I nudge them in this direction? So Well, take take a copy of Nathan's book, Fake Awake along, and say and, actually, I was wondering, would it be possible to make a pamphlet  

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to promote Faker Wake, which are a lot cheaper, and you can give them out to people to to to, you know, to sort of get their mouth watering a little bit, you know, a little bit of a temptation there. Just a thought. What what do you what do you think, Nathan?  

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Oh, hi.  

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How was your coffee, by the way? Did you have a good coffee?  

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Well, to be fair, it is a bit late for coffee because I'll I'll be jittering if I if I drink that. So Yeah. I've got a little bit of a go. Yeah. Yeah. I know. So I went for some juice instead. Well, I've gone boring in my old age.   Well, you're right. So so what sorry. What was the question, Chris? Because I'm I'm thinking about what you were speaking about there about about the whole   reform thing and and join it. It's it's to me, that's just a way to get you involved. Never really gonna see any of the machinations, but it you know, what's  

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happening behind the curtain Completely agree with you. I know exactly what you're gonna say. Nobody sucks me into anything. Honestly, I'm just I go in. I I adopt a different act.   And and I'd say this to everybody.   You have to act and behave differently depending on who's in front of you. This is not underhand. It's completely appropriate. It's about creating empathy to start off with. You've got to find some common ground where you've got overlap and that's the place to start off with. Otherwise, you just get rejected by anybody. You'd cock up to a stranger and say, by the way, have you got ten minutes? I wanna really pin your ears back about central banking systems. They look at you. They think you're mad. So it's a matter of easing in. I'm just interested to know where people are at. That's why I'm speaking.   It's just a habit I've had most of my life. I I I like to know where people's thinking's at because I'm gonna say stupid things to them otherwise. What why you know, you don't get in the do you wanna learn about, you know, Chinese history? Not really. What are you talking about? Gotta say things that are appropriate. I mean, I'm picking a ridiculous example there. But these were good people. That's what I got. I thought, this is these are just genuine normal English people, you know, or obviously,   we're moving towards the minority with that, but they're there and they're concerned and they were willing to put a tent up and talk. I know they think reform is gonna solve all their problems. Okay. That's fine. I ain't gonna change that view in a five minute conversation with them. But to go and find out a little bit I mean, if if their meetings are tedious beyond belief and I see that there's so many sort of communication blockers in the room and there are many of those, You get them all the time. Mhmm. Then you just go, this is not this my timing with with these people is not now. It might never be ever, but it's certainly not now. I'll go away and come back in six months and see if they've moved on a bit, you know. Whether we've got that amount of time or not, I don't know. I'm I'm just I'm I'm of the opinion. Again, I see what you're trying to do there. I'm just of the opinion that anything political is a waste of time because the the political system in and of itself  

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is part of the problem. That's right. Right. So I I talk about psyops a lot.   And   the three main psyops throughout history   are are pretty pretty mundane if you come if you if you think about it like this. The first one is religion. So I would say it's probably the biggest.   Second one is politics, and the third one is money.   Mhmm. And if you combine all three of those together, well, you've got modern modern day society. So it's it's kind of it's what like, what you were saying earlier. If you're buying into the narrative and if you're if you're speaking about it, you you you're promoting it at the same time. I'm not I'm not saying don't do what you're doing. It's just to me, it's   I I just think barking up the wrong trees, you know, especially with,  

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I know what you're saying. But if you the new conservatives.   If you think about a marketing company or an advertising company, right,   which is the way I think. Right? Who sells messages better than anybody else? Advertising companies. I kinda worked in it and I worked in marketing. I'm not an expert. It's a long time. It's thirty odd years since I was involved in all that. But you have these little lists like who, why, what, where, and when. Who am I talking to? What What am I selling them? Why should they buy it? Where are they? When when do they make us all the all the w's. They're really useful. And I use them as a little guide. I'm I'm trying to find out if there's a route to nudge these people. I don't view them as members of reform. That's not the way I viewed them. I know that they are and they want to push that. And, you know, they said, are you gonna vote for us? And I said, no.   They were disappointed. Why not? So   I said, well, because voting doesn't make any difference. I said, but I'm interested in your passion to fix things locally. And we we met on that ground and it was good. It's a very polite,   good conversation. I don't want to go in there and sort of create a fraction   or friction with them. It's just market research. You don't go off and sort of sell stuff not knowing who your target market is. Now I don't know how people are operating. The mere fact that they could be bothered to get off their asses and go and stand in a street,   Right? Championing what they think is good. I understand why they think that. Right? The fact that we know that they're mistaken in that is not particularly useful to introduce, in my view, in the first five or ten minutes of meeting someone. You don't wanna be making them wrong even if they are incorrect   from our perspective in what they're doing. I completely agree with you.  

But how do you get these difficult messages across? I mean, this is nothing new under the sun. You mentioned religion. This has been going on for thousands of years. How do you bring people around to a certain view? And how do you stop your message getting corrupted?   Which is the biggie because it always gets corrupted. There's always interjectors coming in. What I'm gonna say. Yeah. Go on.  

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Nudge them.   That's Maybe we need our own version of the nudge unit. Right? So so we need to nudge it in in a different direction because it's like right. Okay. Go go back to the beginning of of, well, I'm just gonna say five years ago. And everyone that was aware of what was going on worked worked, including myself, who were like, right. We've gotta we've gotta wake people up. We've gotta tell them this. We've gotta tell them what's going on. Bang. Bang. Bang. Bang. Bang. Do you know what the most effective way of doing it was?   Dropping little seeds in places and letting them figure out for themselves, and then they'll come back to you, and then they start explaining things back to you. And I think I think that's the way we're supposed to nudge it. You know? We use our own techniques. We we we figure out how they do it and invert it like they do it, but we're inverting it back the right way. Bingo. It can be done. We we know it can be done because they do it. Yep. And they're nothing special. The only the only thing special about them is   they they've been doing this for a long time. They they've got the, you know, bloodline education or whatever you wanna call it.  

They they've been doing this for a very long time. They've perfected it. They've kept it all secret. They've kept it hidden. They've looked at the psychology and philosophy and history, and and they're relentless with it.   But they're focused,   which is what we lack. Right? So so what I'm gonna say is we nudge it back the other direction, which which is what theoretically we're doing here. Yep. Drop the seeds and let it just keep watering it. Just keep watering it, and they'll figure it out for themselves.   You know? But but in terms of   you I've got I've got to ask. Right? So you you were talking about   speaking to reform.  

And   the last time I spoke to canvases,   they came out with all the usual,   you know, agenda based stuff, climate change. And I'm like, well, I'm sorry, but I'm not gonna vote for that because I know it's a lie.   Yeah. Right. All of that. Did they right. So were they actively pushing whether they're aware of it consciously or not? Were they actually pushing   the agenda? Whether whether talking about the same old stuff,   but from a different perspective.   As if as if, oh, well, yeah. But we're we're gonna do it differently as opposed to, yes, we know it's a lie because it because that that's what I've got the problem with. Oh, yeah. Well, I think you're right to have a problem with it. I've got a problem other problems not the word I would use.  

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I'm trying to emotionally disassociate   myself from myself. I've got this judgmental me. Right? So have you. Right? Which is based on your discernment and your education that you've given yourself over the last x number of years. So I've got all this stuff in my head.   But I'm lucky.   I I'd mentioned it as well. I completely agree. This is me doing nudge research.   Whether it will actually you know, sometimes people come to market with a product or this, and they think it's absolutely brilliant. And they they go out in the chest and they go, no one wants it. You know, why? You know, you know, you've missed this. This is Yeah. You're missing this. We what you've created is fantastic. But the reason why they don't want it is that there's this thing here, yeah, that's a tenth of the price and they're quite happy bumbling around using this thing. You'll get a few sales but we suggest you don't sell your house and put your life savings into this business. Of course many people do do that. They set up shops. That's a typical example. They go, it's the English thing. If I set up a shop, people are gonna come in and buy my stuff and you see the high street now littered with people with shops that just are up for eighteen months, they burn through their entire bank loan and they're stuffed.   It's that kind of stuff and you're right. They'd the other side have got all the research and the analysis about how we operate.  

But we can't attack them, if that's the right word, directly. We we just can't. I think, you know, for in terms of I've got all of us. You wake up in the morning, you've got a day to use and I'm thinking,   right. Did I use yesterday as effectively as I could? And the answer is always no. It's always no. Right? It's never it's never yeah. That was an absolute banging day. I got everything sorted out. But it's just trying to build up that, build up some momentum in terms of connections with people.   There are all sorts of hidden brains in every single town.   They they exist. There are people like us all hanging around   all over the place probably a little bit lacking in courage to speak out in little groups and I go there as well to train myself in that to speak to complete strangers in a little group and see if I can engage them and and analyze where I'm failing. Right? It's down to me. It's not their fault. It's it's my responsibility   to try and fix it. That's at least that's my mantra back to myself. I'm not trying to sort of say I'm the big I am and be cocky about it. I fail loads in these communications. People just shut down. I go, okay. Well, that didn't really work. And try to figure out how to engage people, you know.  



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Yeah. But but I'm with you because I I tried this as well. It's it's almost like   it it there's a desperation to get the information out there. So so then you're kicking a panic mode, and so that that then promotes you into, like, really hammering away at it. And all you're doing is is is turning people off. Yep. Unless unless they're genuinely coming to you and asking you the question,   you you can't just go in there all guns blazing because they're they're gonna see it as an onslaught and they're gonna be like, oh, right. It's one of those who were were out of here. You know, we we don't wanna be preached at.   And, unfortunately, I think I think we all do that,   especially from time to time, especially if it's something that we're passionate about and that we can see is a very clear present fucking,  

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issue that needs resolving. I've just sworn that. I don't know what your policy on swearing is on you. I don't know. I'm embarrassed, really. I probably just lose the show now, Nathan, but it was it's been night. We've had a good run. That's right. And somebody had to blow it out of the water. So it's okay. You'll get a special pencil if it'd be alright, I think. I'll get a special pencil. I've come over where I'm necessary. It's it's You get you get a full effing pencil for being I get when it's Can I get two so it can stick them both up my nose and pretend to be mad like like, you know, the version on Blackadder? And then maybe maybe they can get me off the planet and,   send me home or something like that. I mean, but not to make too big a point of it. The fact that a woman   just raised the the top of Fabian society. It could have been a bloke. The fact that one of these people, the gender was not actually important or their sex was not important, that she mentioned that she was doing that. I thought that was a I just took that as a really good sign because I decide to take it as a good sign. Some people might say that doesn't mean nothing. It does because   this woman didn't even know the word Fabian until six months ago, and the vast majority of people don't even know it. And they're beginning to sniff around and go and when she said it's really worrying,   that's the intro   to start Yeah. Putting the other stuff in. I mean, I said, well, you know, the problem is   nobody here really. I said, do you know anything about banking? They went, no. I said, well, it I said, I'm I'm not blaming you. It's completely understandable, you know, because you went to school and you've not been taught anything, have you? They went, no. I said, okay. I said, everybody else is like this.  

I said, but you found out about the Fabian Society,   which is a fantastic start. The fact in other words, what she was saying to me, forget that it's Fabian, she's got initiative to find out. That's what we're looking for in people. It's to put that question mark in people's hearts and go, you're not asking enough questions. And even if the first questions you ask are crap and try and surface because you're too scared to ask the big ones, keep asking the simple ones. You'll get onto the meaty ones as you go. Don't be bothered about the answers. Just get that spirit of questioning things   all the time because the universe will give you the answers. If you ask things in the right spirit of genuine concern and I got that these people were genuinely concerned. I found that encouraging for me personally. Even if they're clueless   about the details today,   possibly, if I talk to them all, they'll be less clueless in a week's time and and in a month, even, you know, it's I don't know what else to do really. I mean, I wish there was a magic button. You go, look, bang that, and everybody's everybody just their brains light up on a Thursday evening. They just go, got it. Right. Great. Now what do I do? So so well, think think about it from this perspective. So I know I know there's a lot of fear out there, especially in the mainstream media, but if you if you look at fear from a different perspective,  

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you've just mentioned that that you got through to them or that or that the conversation started and that they were concerned over the issue, which is the which is the same reason that I got into this because it was like, you you look at it and you think, well, something's not right. What's not right? Where do I, you know, oh my god. What they're doing? Oh my god. That's that's a thing as well. And then it leads you into more and more things.   And the more you the more you investigate and uncover, the more the more concern, the more fear ramps up. And that then   triggers you into finding even more. But at that point, you you you're so concerned that you feel an obligation to do something. So so for that reason, I'm gonna say that   the fear response to this is actually quite good to start with. Right? So it's it's the fear response that's putting people into a mental state that's saying, right. Something's not right. I need to do something about this, and that's great. That's great for it to to get into this because I think it's the fear that that triggers that that reaction. I I see. The only thing is Yep. Yeah. But but   then once you've once you've delved into it, once you know who's behind it, what's happening, why it's happening, how it's happening, once you've done that, once you've you've you've gone down that rabbit hole of fear and pain and suffering,   you've got to come to a point where   the fear is no longer useful. Right? So at the point where you become, I guess, competent in the in in the subjects that that people are delving into,   in order to make that productive, in order to find the solutions, you've gotta you've gotta get to the point where it's like, right. I've done the fear.  

It's led me down to the to to where I need to be. Now what do I do with it? Because if you stay in fear state, it's it goes from being a catalyst for change   to a catalyst to step you down and make you stand down and do nothing about things because she's so afraid at that point   that you think that that that you become disempowered by it. That's not what we need.   We need the opposite. And again, it's people I I say to people, we've got to learn from the bad guys. Right? And people say, oh, yeah. No. No. Think about what I'm saying there. If they're doing something and it works,   right, we need to figure that out. If they've got information that we don't have, we need to figure that out. And then we need to use it to our own advantage. We need to turn the tide to this because otherwise, we're learning nothing.  

The idea as well as to what you're saying there about,   curiosity and people getting, you know, thinking for themselves and being critical and challenging their own beliefs and challenging what other people say. That is the best way to be   because it proves that they're thinking. It proves that there's a genuine compassion there, that there's genuine care about the state of affairs and the and the world and nature and human society and all of these things. Mhmm. And if we don't if we don't deep, like, you know, delve into that corner of our brain that's actually   questioning things and and curious about things. You want you make you you know, if you want to know something,   that's when you really learn because that's when you're gonna push yourself to find out. If you don't wanna know it, if it's you'll you'll lose interest and turn off.  



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Yeah. Well Well, if we look at your book, Nathan, and the title of it, Fake Awake   Yeah. You know, you you there's been this huge glut, and you you please   feel free to speak about any aspect of it that you want. Someone said that. By the way, I've put a link in the chat. So there's actually a link in the description   for this show on YouTube and Rumble.   There's a link over to Nathan's book on Amazon. You should click it.   Even now, click it and and look at the preview of the Kindle version which I've got on my screen right now because it's got all the chapter headings and it's really user you don't have the whole book but you can see the layout, the framework of the book and it's very, very useful. You think about these people have come in that are still not asking questions, not the right ones. In other words, you know, one of my observations, not that I've done stand in the park, Eric's, you know, provided all the insight onto that and it's broadly speaking true. It has become like a trend. It's like, oh, well, people used to be hippies in the sixties and now we're stand in the park people. This is nice. This is a nice middle class sort of thing to do. Right? And then you say, do you wanna really ask some serious questions and people back off? Now Yeah. Also when you think about, say, a class or education, you know, that wonderful thing school that we all went to, There are people at different levels of aptitude at different times in their life. You might have started off as a particularly dopey student. I know people when they were sort of five to eight because they were just as boys, you want to climb trees? I'm not listening to you. But sometimes later on in life you get a trigger. Now the problem we have   is that that's a lot of time from five to 18, that's thirteen years.  

Yeah. We've got like thirteen minutes.   So I'm going, this is a bit of a communications challenge. It's not that we don't have the truth or parts of the key information. It's knowing how to package it right and that's what advertising agencies do rather brilliantly. Of course, they are backed up by colossal budgets   for this repeated exposure to get the messages and the conditioning across which is what it's all about.   So, you know, I am fully aware that it's a bit like sort of, you know,   taking a leak in a rainstorm what I'm doing. I've got that. That. You're like a drop of water in the Pacific Ocean, but you go, well, that's the situation that I we happen to find ourselves in. Can we get bigger? I think we can. I I'm absolutely convinced that we can and little signs like that from this woman tell me that we can. It's just a matter of becoming more effective as individuals when we talk to other people, you know, who are not in the loop as close to the hub as necessarily we are. I know there are people even closer to it. They can tell you everything and all that kind of stuff but I don't think we need to know it to that level, you know. I mentioned to this woman, I said, look. I said, the Fabian I said, do you know the history of them? She said, no. I said, well, you know, 1884. I said, that's why Orwell's book is 1984. It used to be in it. She said, did he? I said, yeah. I said, but he was telling us a good thing as well, you know. I said, and it didn't start off bad. It started off from just like the Labour Party didn't start off bad and all this. All of them have been invaded,   you know, by this force that basically takes control of these things. And I said, we're we're kinda living through a rerun, I said, of the communist revolution a hundred years ago, she said, really. I said Yeah. But you've been living on the communism   your entire life. It's just being dressed up. Now you're beginning to see it for what it is. I said, and this is why you're concerned about what's going on locally because this is not the way we are designed or want to live. We're not happy. And she said, no. I said, and you're unhappy. Yeah. So so we're introducing   people   to discomfort.  

This makes the message even more difficult, you know, because advertisers got a promise of all these benefits. You're gonna feel better if you buy this and all that. Whereas, actually, if you listen to us, you're gonna feel worse.  

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Oh, you you will, I'm afraid. Well, do you're away. So this is the problem, though. Yep. This is the problem. We don't want people to feel worse. We want them to feel motivated. Right? So so, again, it just just feel work initially. Yes. It does. It gets people's attention. But then you've gotta twist that and say, right. Okay.   You know the problem. So so keep digging and keep looking. Take it back as far as it'll go. Take that problem back as far as it'll go, and it'll take you to the calls, the initial causes. And that's that's where you need to go. And this is where this is why I keep bringing up things like science, religion, statism,   you you know,   money and things like that. If you can take it back to its common cause, you can probably figure out what the solution is. And in this case, you can figure out what the solution is. But okay. What what we've we've talked about yeah. You can't know everything, but I think it's I think it's healthy to want to at least investigate   as much as you can   initially, and then and then pick something that that's that you're most passionate about and and and lead with that. Mhmm. Just but but the problem with that is a lot of the things that people are leading with   are in themselves psy ops.  

Right? So so they'll they'll say, oh, I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna pick on flat earth for this one. So if there's any flat earth as I'm sorry, but, you know, just tear me out. If you go down that rabbit hole and a lot of people have and you decide that that's the truth, then you're gonna push that as your truth, as your passion, and yet there's no   there's no guarantee that what you're selling is actually truthful. It's just you have   fallen for another sign up whilst thinking that you are now awakened. Right? Mhmm. So what I so what right. I I'm going off tangent. Right? What I'm I'm gonna bring it back to where I wanna take that.   One of the things that I tell people and that I told people early on is, first of all, the seed planting thing, that that's fine. Plant the seeds and water them occasionally. The other thing is,   don't look at this. Don't look don't look at life. Don't look at all of the agendas,   as if it's in front of you and behind you. Take yourself up above it   and look down upon it. Right? And that's that's when you're like, oh, right. That links to that. That links to that. That, oh, that's going there. If that happens, then that will happen. And if that happens, that will happen because we know that because of human psychology, because of sociology.  

You can figure things out.   Just, again, just by looking at at at psychological responses, societal responses. So don't look at it as,   you know, this stuff is all around you because you're gonna feel overwhelmed. Take yourself up above it and look down and say, right. How does all of this fit together?   And then and then what you're doing is the thing that all of the,   truth brigade will say, oh, well, I'm a critical thinker. Well, unfortunately, no. You're not. You're not thinking critically because to think critically requires that you are being critical of your own thoughts, and you're challenging your own beliefs. You're challenging your own ideologies. Right? And most people don't do that. They latch onto an echo chamber and they go round and round and round in circles and they and they form purity spirals where, you know, you've gotta outdo each other on how much you know about the subject that you're in your echo chamber for.   Forget all of that. Forget all your beliefs. Forget all your ideologies.  

Just just go straight up and look down on it and start questioning everything, genuinely questioning everything, including and especially your own beliefs   Because that's when that's when the magic starts. That's when the real progress, the real change starts. Because if you can say, well, hang on a minute. If I was wrong about that, what else have I been wrong about?   And it's only when you realize that you're wrong about things   that you can start to fix them, and you can start to really investigate the subject. I mean, you you know, so this is where we we we look at the things like Dunning Kruger effect Yeah. Which is where people have I mean, we've we've discussed Dunning Kruger effect in the past, haven't we? Which is where We have. But these things are always worth repeating because in their own ability. Yeah. There's a clutch of core bits of information that really cover an awful lot of ground quickly. I think the other thing is that different people that you speak to, because they're different, they respond in different ways. I'm sure there's some sort of psychological categorization  

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chart. Right? Some people,   their fear will get the better of them. You can't really work with them now. That's all I say is, you know, when people disagree with me, my internal thing is currently.   I always add this thing currently. And I will say to people, my current understanding is this, but if we meet again in a month, I might actually augment what I've said or even retract some of it because this is an ongoing process of permanently   questioning   every single thing that has been sent into my head. And the the problem   yeah. It is. And, of course, what school unfortunately produces   and what most people go through life with is literally no intellectual defense mechanisms against this stuff that's coming into their head, particularly over the phone.  

This is my phone. I claim this. I do this and everybody else is reading it, so I guess it must be true. Well, it becomes a sort of perverted truth or or the the agreement of society that this is how we all behave. We all do this sort of stuff.  

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So Because it's a perceptual truth. It's perceived as truth because it's accepted as truth because it's popularized, which is another thing. And sorry. Sorry. Just to go off from another tangent. That's another thing I used to tell people. If you can make the truth trendy and fashionable,   it'll catch on.   And I think that's the process that we're seeing now. It it it it's become trendy, which is why we're getting another sort of, like Yeah.   Movement behind it. Anyway, sorry. I didn't I just just that that should popped in my mind as well. Barefoot Forager says something very interesting chat.  

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She said, Gareth Ike recommends using the phrase   weird, innit?  

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Now that's a good one, innit? Weird isn't it? Because yeah. But okay. But but why is that? It's because it's getting near the person to think, isn't it? It's like, oh, that's weird. And then and then so they'll be like, is it? Why is it weird? Right. Okay. So, yeah, that that's a that's a good one. Sorry. I'm not gonna go   through the chat for a bit. But,  

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a big problem, I mean, especially around where I live,   Mhmm. They sit in front of their massive televisions watching the BBC, telling them the truth, inverted commas. And,   and, I mean, my neighbor decided to tell me, oh, what's going on? Because he reads the Daily Mirror.  

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As if I didn't know what's going on, you know. It's not. At least it saves you the trouble of having to buy a copy,  

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Eric. Well, that's right. Yes. Yes. Well, here is one for you. So so a good a good couple of years back. Say, I don't know, seven or eight years ago.   I had a friend who was so brainwashed and bought into everything, and I and he and he's saying, well, you you you're just naive. You're believing in all these conspiracy theories. And I'm like, well, is it still a theory if it's got evidence to back it up and and, you know,   and one of the things is he said, well, you keep talking about the mainstream media. He said, I'll read the Guardian. I don't know. It's just   it was like  

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you you kind of   I think you I mean, it's just crazy. I mean, it's like, oh, yeah. That is a audio that's totally all I read the newspapers. I think that's hilarious. I love that. Yeah. I I actually quite admire someone who said that to me. Well, I watch the TV news. Oh, yeah. Alright. Yeah.  

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Oh, yeah. And well, I said this is another one that I've come across. Well well, I watch the news. I'm informed. Are you really? No. You you you're conditioned, mate. There's a different I used to think that way. I used to think it's an intelligent thing to keep the the the the conditioning on twenty four seven so that you get the same message repeated at your 2,000 times a day. And then you realize, oh, hang on a minute. They're all doing the same message. They're all doing it on repeat one, and it's all for five five second focus,   you know,  

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And they all get their news from Reuters. And who owns Reuters?  

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Well, it's it's it's our friends, the, the Red Shield, isn't it, as far as I'm aware?   That's right. And, that was There's two in the Associated Press and Reuters, and they're the they're the ones that basically dictate the news, I I e, they make it up and give it to you.  

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Yeah. I mean, we're we're dealing   we're dealing with crowd control   crowd control   technologies. Let's call them that. Which are embedded in that group for thousands of years.   These are people whose ancestors were kings   or bureaucrats or ambassadors or this, that, and the other. They have a much more finely tuned   ability to observe the behavior patterns of the people that are in front of them. And the thing about face to face communication   is that you can suss people out lightning quick in terms of where their emotional biases and this, that, and the other. Yeah. When we're doing the broadcasting stuff here,   we can't see everybody, but we get a good indication really from the comment that that's what makes the chat with this stuff so dynamically important to the whole process of what we're doing. And I am looking at it, by the way. It's just that I'm talking so much. I can't get to read it out, but Eric's doing a good job.  

But that's why it's useful. I I do it also to have real it sounds sad. To have real life communication moments.   In other words, it's alright me going around telling everybody they're not going out and talking to people. If I'm not doing it, I'm a joke. I I want to do it. I'll and I I speak to whoever's coming down the road when I'm out walking. They're gonna they're gonna get at least, hi. Nice. I'll make piffle chat with them. I speak to literally everyone I meet. So on a walk, I'll probably connect with 20 people and I say something to every single one of them. And some of them, you know, I don't know what I'm gonna get back, but I do it to keep my tonsils, you know, to keep my voice box going. It's important this stuff. I because even if you don't reach anybody, what you're doing as the communicator is you're strengthening yourself   and you're showing a commitment to this all the time. I have to keep sending signals back to myself   that this is serious stuff. I am serious about it and that means I can joke about it. That's what we do around here. It's that serious that we can tell jokes about it because we need to. We go bonkers otherwise, you know. We are in a war situation. We are,   you know,   in a trench, and we are getting shelled. And we've got to find a way of dealing with that.  

So Well, the first thing that I think people are wonderful. I really do. And I don't blame them. I think they're absolutely amazing. A lot of people that I meet, they're really, really good hearted,   and it's not to be taken for granted. But the other side of taking advantage of the good nature of our people, and   this breaks your heart. You can see it all the time. And I used to be a naive naive idiot when I was a teenager, but it didn't matter because I wasn't participating in this adult world and didn't want to, frankly. You know? Why would you wanna do that when you can kick a football around and just talk   idiot stuff with your mates? It's just such a laugh. It's fantastic.  

And that sense of sort of, we can do what we like, but we can't do much because we ain't got any money. Yeah. But we go for a walk over that field and throw something at that cow. It's really pretty cool, really. But people don't have any sense of there's not a spontaneous element in people's lives,   but people are concerned and I think   this is a good sign. It means that there is there's good fertile ground on which to build and it's only gonna get more fertile,   unfortunately, as the situation gets worse.   The main thing is I I think part of this as well is it assists each of us and people like us to not shut down ourselves.  



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You gotta Well, we can't. We don't we don't we're not sorry. Just to to cut it again. We don't have the option of doing that anymore because if if we shut down and back out of this, then we become culpable in what happens afterwards.   And I'm not comfortable with that. And so so I used to be quite shy and, you know, I'd be careful what I said. In some in some regards, you know, if you you read the room a little bit,   but I'm   if I see something, I'll I'll just call it out, you know, in conversation. In fact,   I upset a neighbor of mine,   about a month ago. He was walking his dogs, and he was he was talking about, you know, all the flags and   how, Starmer is the enemy. And I just said, so I said, look. Begging your partner. I said, Starmer is just a cog in the machine.  

I said, this this what you're seeing here   is going to take over the world. I said, it's every country is doing this. I said, they're doing this. It's It's the same agenda that's being pushed. It's nothing to do with it with it, this political party against that political party, then it's sure as hell nothing to do with Starmer. He's just the front man of it. He's just the face of it. And and and, unfortunately, for this chap, I really drilled into him, and I thought, what am I doing? You know? I I I I kinda felt horrible afterwards. I said, look. I'm gonna apologize for having a go. You're a horrible person, Nathan. Where where Well, I know, but it's just I I did I did feel horrible in the end. I'm like, right, mate. I said, look. It's not it's not personal against you. I said, but you really need to figure this out now. I I said, because we're running out of time. And he's like, no. It's just this country. I said, no. It's not. I said, the same agenda, the same. I said, just watch. All the different countries are gonna do it, but they're gonna do it. They're gonna call it something slightly different. They're gonna bring it in at a slightly different time. They're gonna, you know, they're gonna try different things in different places. I said, just watch. I said, if you don't take my word for it, I said, go on the United Nations website and just type in agenda twenty thirty and agenda twenty fifty, and you you tell me   what you find there. I said, and don't just don't skim it. Press the bullet points. Find out how they're gonna do this. Right? Look at how they're gonna do it, and you tell me that that's not being applied everywhere. There is no escaping this, and that's not that's not me trying to put the fear of god into him. It's me trying to say, look.  

You you're only seeing a portion of this.   Look at the bigger picture, and the whole thing will click into place. And then you'll be fighting the right battles as opposed to, oh, Starmer's the bad guy. Starmer might be a bad guy, but he's not the bad guy, and he sure as hell not not the focal point of our attention. He's the errand boy du jour. That's all he is. Yeah. He's not errand and he's a bad one. He's a nasty little errand boy and and he's been picked for those qualities. Now, one thing I failed to mention to everybody is that I've,  

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I've dropped the telephone calling thing with the numbers because,   frankly, technically, it was pants. It was just not working right. So if you want to come into the show, you can do so but over tintinet only. I think the message is saying that. So you go to paulenglish live dot com forward slash call. It'll bring you through into the studio and guess what?   The enterprising Etta has done just that. So Etta, hi. Welcome to the show.  

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Welcome for having me. Yeah. For letting me on. Hello, Etta. Hello, Etta. How's everybody across the pond?  

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We're we're happy Englishmen as you can tell, Etta. We're having a lovely time. How's everything across the pond on your side of the pond?  

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Well, it's probably about the same as what we just saw in Ireland with all the riots and and all that good stuff.   But I have to get handed to the Irishman. They know how to,   you know, they're at least they're fighting back for the right causes. You know, we don't have,   the I haven't seen yet, you know, the the fake no kings protests and all that crazy stuff. But I wanted to add on to what you guys have been talking about. And   I remember when I was first waking up, if you will,   and I probably went through at least a two week   kind of   dark night of the soul,   realizing   just how bad and how much   I've been lied to, and my whole world view was flipped upside down.  

So it was really a very   difficult pill to swallow.   And I've been asking myself the same questions you guys have been,   presenting   and, you know, how to   how to how to inject the truth and the information to people who aren't quite there yet. Yes. And because they will   automatically just block you out.   They they do, unfortunately. After again, we've all seen this. The more you try and push it on people, the more they reject it. Right. Right. Well It Doesn't work. It doesn't. So you I was thinking to myself, I've been doing this for a few years now. You know, how can I present the truth and the real information, what's really going on   in a way where people will consider it because they don't   a beautiful lie is easier to digest than the ugly truth? Right? So Mhmm.  

What I found   is pretty effective   is I will   maybe talk about something   that people don't normally know about, but   more than likely will come up on mainstream news eventually. Some you know, at some point in the near future.   And then when they start seeing it   on mainstream news, then they'll be like, wow. I didn't realize she was right. You know, like, for example, my own father.   He's like, you know what? You were right. I'm like, see?   So   or I use historical context.   Well, this back, you know, and, you know, during this time period, this happened, and that was the outcome. And then I'll make a correlation to what's going on now,   and then so they could see   well, yeah. You know, that does make  

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Common themes. Again, history, people say it didn't, you know, didn't repeat it wrong. So so history has got common themes there that if you can   if you're familiar with it, you can you can then say, well, look at what happened, say, during the the the Soviet revolution and, you know, how that is similar to what's happening now   and draw some coin, you know, not coincidences, but but similarities and synchronicities between the world. Right. Yeah. Parallels. Thank you. Brilliant.   But but yeah. Sorry. Carry on carry on. That's  

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No. And and I found that,   a lot of times people will   be more much more open to what I have to say.   And, you know, and then, of course, drop in the seeds and water and that would be, I guess, watering the seed, you know, when when you kinda drop the seeds and they they start seeing it for themselves.  

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I've that's that's one technique I found that, you know, is I I think it's a good way to go, Etta. Absolute I mean, I you know,   I I think another thing about talking about historical examples, like French Revolution, whatever it is, and I throw these things in all the time, is you're distancing   it it's less personal so the people can listen to it. It's almost like, oh, history is quite interesting. It is if you tell it right.   But you can use it to illustrate these dynamics and say, well, you know, they were facing a similar thing. Were they? Yeah. And this, that, and the other. And to just get it rolling without it being your you, sir, are directly in the biggest pile of shit you ever knew, but you don't know about it because it's a bit too much. It's like, yeah. I know you've been eating cornflakes all your life, but here's some caviar. Get stuck in oh, I think it's a bit beyond my palate. It's a bit too intense. So, we here on this side, I guess, we have to become ever more sensitive about where we're at. Because if you are well stocked with knowledge, one of the things that you have to sort of this is why face to face is very useful, is where the other person is at. You can't over it doesn't work to overload people like you were saying because they do shut down and we don't want that. The other thing I was thinking as well is there's this thing about little groups teams of three like a little cell.   Like this woman that mentioned the Fabian Society. Now she knew all the other people in that group way better than I'm ever gonna know because she'd been hanging around with them for x number of months or whatever. The idea is to get her to get a couple of of those people around her   so that you feed some person who then takes it off to another group and all these other these things happen naturally as well but I'm I'm thinking of these things all the time   Because when they congregate and they're and then you realize, oh, yeah. We got together and we talked about that on Monday. You're going, this is good. This is really, really good. And it will work. It's like a ripple effect.  



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Right. And then sometimes sometimes   sometimes people want to prove you wrong. Yes. Right? And then I'll I'll respond, well, prove me wrong. Go ahead. Look it up. Can I can I just interject it here? That that that is brilliant what you've just said there because that  

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when when people I mean, and they do, they get really head up on certain things and it's like, well, you're wrong. I've gotta prove you wrong. Yes. Please do. Because because   if if you're genuine and you do do the research and investigation, you're gonna find out whether I'm right or wrong and or whether you're right or wrong. But at least you're doing the work then. Right? You're going off. You're thinking you're investigating, and that that's the best thing they can do. And if they come back to you, they're gonna say, well, actually, you are wrong. In which case, then you can learn from it. Or actually, you were right. In which case, they have now been brought to scratch by their own, curiosity.  

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Right. And and and that's half the battle. Yeah. Right. That's half the battle right there. Absolutely. Yeah. So no. That that's a great point. But I've also noticed a few establishment people, like, well, I wouldn't say it's that establishment. Have you heard of a chap called,   Colonel MacGregor?  

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He's In The States.  

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That's right. Now he was talking about the French Revolution,   and he was obviously a colonel.   And, he's saying things as they are on what's happening.   Very interesting man, and he was   I I he knows how far to go, but what you were saying, Paul, was similar to what you were saying about the French revolution,   but not sort of so much. Just keeping back   about, you know, what   I I I was thinking, hang on a minute. Has you been watching has has you been listening to our show?  

[01:54:53] Unknown:

Of course he has.  

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Hi, Colonel McGregas. Oh, you might agree. This week's episode. Of it. Yeah. Yeah. But he he might have been listening to the show. You you know, I mean, again, it's it's it's another seed, isn't it? And then somebody else might take it and think, right. Okay. Well, I can do something with that, and then and then I can do my own show. And why the hell not? Anyway, I think that's the topic of it. Little little I mean, I've actually found leaflets help. And those fock bobs, they help as well. Because  

[01:55:19] Unknown:

people can read it when you walked away. There it is. It's in front of them. This shows you acting like a signpost.   And I think acting like a signpost is probably better. Well, you don't say very much, but you just could say and you know I say to people in groups say yeah sure we'd like some money and they said look at you with a funny look so yeah I'm giving away money today   and then when I I've got I've got a posh wallet which I use for the fuck bobs to get that out of my pocket   and I can see the top of them. I think bloody hell he is really giving money. Then when he get out, you know, they realize it's a fake.   But it's got information   on the back, but in very small amounts. And if they wanna know more, they'll look on the Internet. And I think that is the way I'm trying to get it over, but with humor,   laughter, comedy.  

But I found that a small percentage will just throw the note back at you. So I don't know what this is. It just wouldn't wouldn't even know what it is. Don't wanna look at it. You know? That's when you hit them, Eric. Let's Eric, that's when you hit them. Okay? That's right.   Yes. What what what how how would you do that? When you say that's when when you hit them, are we worrying about physical violence, though? Or Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's Well, we actually need to we need to watch the, self defense post program. Yeah. That's why you should need to take a so toothbrush with you when you go out talking. Have you thought of that? Because if you saw was it, the Monday before last, I think it was? That was survival Steve.   And he said,   self defense.  

He said, and he got out a toothbrush. I I thought, hang on a minute. He's taking the wee wee, isn't he?   He knows how politely I said it. And he said, no. He said, if you get one which is a bamboo handle, which is particularly hard, and you keep it with you, put that clench your fish around it and go wallop to it, someone. He said,  

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that's a problem. You could do it on the street. Yes. I anyway, I've got to interject because we're just coming up to the end of our time slot here on WBN.   So we're nearly at the top of the hour. I'm gonna sort of do a crossover song as I usually do. We'll play a little bit of music.   Thanks everybody for tuning in here on WBN for the last couple of hours. We'll be back again at the same time next week and if you tune into Ria's show on Sundays, I'm gonna be with her in the last hour which will just tootle three in The UK.   What's that in? It's nine oh, actually, no. It's not. It's weird because our clocks go backwards, don't they? I don't know what's happening with the time. I'm just on the last hour with Ria's show. I think it might start an hour earlier. Might be 5AM start this week. Anyway, we're gonna play out with a little bluegrass song. How about that? You know, because because we are we'll be back. I'll be back here with, Nathan and, Eric and Etta. If she's still here with us, I hope she is, after this little song.  



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Say your prayers, little one. Don't forget my son to include everyone.   Tuck you in one within. Keep you free from sin till the same any comes.   Something's wrong, shut the light. Heavy thoughts do not in the yard of Snow White.   Dreams of wars,  

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land.   Now I lay me down. Now I lay me down to sleep. Pray the  

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little baby don't   say   a  

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word.  

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Never mind that  

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In your closet,   in your head.   And that was, of course, Enter Sandman by Iron Horse, a song that I think Metallica picked up a little bit later on and did their version of it.   I had to say that.   So yeah. Anyway,   I'm a bluegrass guy at times, and that was one of those times. So there we go. Anyway,   welcome back to the last hour of the show here on Rumble and YouTube and, Radio Soapbox and Eurofoot Radio and elsewhere and Global Voice Network.   We're here with the crew and with Nathan and,   currently accompanied by Etta, which is nice.   Where have we got to? I actually, I might want to just change the tack a little bit.  

One of the things you said   early on when you came on, Nathan, you were we were talking about organizational structures, and you talked about religion Mhmm.   Which is always fun. And,   those of us in England may be aware,   because I read The Guardian too,   of course. So you must be an alternate reader then, I do. I I I love the groigniad,   which is,   which is how it should be pronounced. It's the groigniad.   And, this, item from today, Thursday '30 October 23,   This is a fun one. King Charles makes history by praying publicly with Pope Leo.   Everybody  

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okay? I thought it was a Muslim now. Well, that's me. Cut from me confused.  

[02:03:37] Unknown:

Oh, no. Well, are they I think they're planning to blend them all together into one world religion, you see, because that's obviously what the world needs.  

[02:03:45] Unknown:

Oh, yeah. New religion. Yeah. As opposed to none of all. Yeah. It took time to call   it.  

[02:03:51] Unknown:

Did I hear that? That was the very that was the very first time that King Charles had met with any pope. Isn't that isn't that true?  

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Oh, it's the first time any king since Henry the eighth   has actually had any formal state connection with the, with the Vatican. Yes. Yeah. So I I think that's pretty significant.   It is. It is. It's fantastic. It's brilliant news if you're into this religion lark,   but possibly not. I won't read the whole article. In fact, I shouldn't really read any of it, But I think it is very interesting. They've been moving to all this stuff. I mean,   there was,   there was there was some resistance,   came from Northern Ireland,   which was, the son of Ian Paisley. Do you remember Ian Paisley back in the seventies?  



[02:04:38] Unknown:

Yeah. Paisley.   Paisley.  

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Quite a ferocious you.  

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Good morning. You know? And, did you do you hear about the little fellow in, America   was heard about Ian Paisley when he's alive, you see? And he saved up all his money to go to Northern Ireland to listen to   Ian Paisley preaching, you see. Mhmm. Eventually, he gets the money to gather, and he goes to Ian Paisley's congregation.   And Ian Paisley's re really laying on, and the heavens will open up, and he'll open hell, and all this. And this fella's going, oh, brilliant. And he stands up and shouts, hallelujah.   Praise the Lord. And Ian Paisley comes and shouts back, well, I've done a lot in this church. Sorry.  

Yeah.  

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Let me let me read you a little bit about what his son had said. This is techno, of course, from the Groigny ad. It says a pro a prominent Protestant cleric from Northern Ireland said Charles should abdicate, good grief, that's a bit harsh, isn't it, if he prayed with the pope.   Kyle Paisley, a reverend with the Free Presbyterian   Church and son of the late unionist politician, Ian Paisley senior,   told the BBC that the joint prayers would break the king's oath to uphold the Protestant faith. Quote,   the Protestant faith historically and theologically is a world apart from Catholicism.   I don't for the life of me see how we can engage in that kind of corporate worship. I quite like him saying that. Asked if Charles should abdicate if the service went ahead, Paisley said, yes. Because I don't think he's being true to his oath.  

Another interesting quirk of all of this going all the way back to Henry the eighth's time which makes it even sort of dafta the whole thing. By the way, I'm no fan of either of the churches. They're daft as a brush as far as I'm concerned, the whole lot of them. But, Henry the eighth,   was an ardent Catholic. He used to take mass six times a day.   This is whilst he was riding and hunting and everything. Right? Really into the whole thing until he couldn't get his way and get his marriage annulled. Basically, the Pope said, no way, mate. And then, of course, lots of heads started getting chopped off and all this, that, and the other. Right? But,   he,   what was happening is there was a great attack at the time on the,   Martin Luther and all these other,   this force was rising up in Germany   attacking the Catholic Church for what appeared to be good reasons at the time. They probably are good reasons, but I don't want to get enmeshed in all of that. And,   so Henry was a bit cross about this, him being an ardent Catholic and everything. So he wrote this   like epistle,   this huge thing called the defense of the faith   and the Pope got a copy of course and he thought it was so magnificent. He said, this is the best defense   of the faith I've ever read. I'm going to give you a title. I'm gonna call you the monarch of England, the defender of the faith. Now interestingly,   after he split with the Church of Rome, he didn't want to lose   that title.  

And every monarch in England since Henry the eighth up to Charles right now is known as the defender of the faith.  

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Yeah. How about that? This is whacked out. And the the the But all the jobs, a lot of them. But Henry the eighth was never divorced. Did you know that? He never he never divorced. Yeah. He wanted to divorce his marriage an old or something like like that? They were an old. That's right. Yeah. And he,   yes. Sorry. They were an old, and I think that,   was it one of the he was widowed   once because one of them died from natural causes. So, yeah, he he this is the it's a bit of a myth that he was divorced. He didn't divorce. That's it. He's an old. So there we go. Yeah. Not many people know that. Not a lot of people know that. No. They don't. That's right. Yeah.   They don't know. I still think Charles Laughton was the best one acting in King Henry the eighth but showing throwing chicken legs over his shoulder. Remember that? Yes. I do. In the film? Yeah. Yes. Yes. Very good. He very he very good, he wasn't there. He's also very good with an amp, wasn't he? He had the amp a lot. He was the hunch back of Mount Locksmith.  

Bloody good actor. Well,  

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interestingly,   it's I I didn't know he was gonna do that this week, but, I was listening. We had Eli on, didn't we, last week? That's right. And, it's a cracking show, and I've spoken to Eli since briefly. He really enjoyed himself as well, and he has promised, Eric, to come on at some point in a few weeks time and do a Vietnam special for you. Okay? Oh, I'll look forward to that. Message. I said, oh, Eric will be happy. He'll be very happy about that, so we'll cover that. We'll get some scriptural stuff in as well, but he he he's quite happy to come on and do some more   Vietnam anecdotes and give you his insights about that. I think it was a big part of his life in the sense that he really understood that that war was being fought to be lost intentionally, but that's that's for when when we get him on next time.  

But Could we not get him on to Chris's show as well? Would he would he not go on to Eric Vonaisicks? I can ask you. He's a very busy guy. He's out and about, you know,   in real life, meeting people, spreading his message, and and communicating people just in much the same way that we are. So but, yeah, I'll speak to him about that.   And just as a as a reminder, he's on Radio Soapbox, by the way, every Sunday at 03:00 till 04:30.   And if you're into learning more about the aspect of things, he's as good a source as I know of. He's he's brilliant, very lively guy as you can tell from the show that we had with him last week. It's amazing for a guy that's had a quintuple heart bypass, so it's astonishing really, but there you go.   Anyway, he was reading from a website, an article from a website on his show this Sunday, and I happened to be listening to it. I sometimes sort of join him on Sundays if if I've digested all the roast beef. You know what I'm talking about, Eric. Okay? So everything's gone down nice and properly.  

And he was reading from a website called wickedshepherds.com,   and there is an article there,   the main article that's gone up relatively recently,   which is about the distortion   of the church or the church's distortions and it's quite brilliant. I don't want to go the thing's quite long. I've spent the last few days reading. It's about sixty eighty pages long something like that.   But I want to talk about briefly about William Tyndale.   This is just amazing stuff. But basically, the the the aim of the article and so you would have to read it to make take your own view. I know what mine is. I'm not here to sell you that necessarily right now, although I want to. But,   what he's basically saying   is the word church does not appear in scripture at all,   which might be a surprise to you all, but it doesn't appear once. It's not in there.  

But if you go and read the King James version of the Bible, you will find it in there all over the place. Now William Tyndale,   who is not known as much as he ought to because this is a real hero of English   resolve. Talk about asking questions.   Tyndale translated the Bible alone solo in the early fifteen hundreds. Right? Before   and during Henry's reign. Right? In the early fifteen hundreds.   And he wasn't liked for it very much. That's putting it mildly,   because it was forbidden   to actually   communicate   those documents in English. And some of the stories that are embedded within the essay are horrific. For example,   a woman and her children,   who she had been teaching scripture to in English,   they were all burnt at the stake for doing that. This is before Tyndale had finished the full translation.  

Just to give you an idea, right? Anybody who thinks the Church of England is absolutely,   no. I don't think so. They've it's just they've all got skeletons in their closet and that's a bad one. But Tyndale basically had had enough   of being   preached to, as it were, by, all the people in the hierarchy, the organizational   corporate structure to use Paisley's, quote Paisley.   He'd had enough of this and I I think one of his phrases is I'm gonna translate the Bible so that the plowboy of England will know more about scripture than the high prelates and the priests, which is fantastic.   Right?  

Unfortunately for him,   this didn't go down too well the with the authorities. So he lived the last few years of his life. I don't know what I mean by few. It was quite a lot of them. In Holland,   skulking around all over the place As he continued to translate it, he did complete a complete translation of the New Testament and was well on with the Old Testament,   but could not get around to do it because   a pal of his invited him over for a Sunday lunch at some house in Holland where he was sprung upon by six agents of the clergy from over here or the power structure of the church.   They threw him in prison for eighteen months and then they strapped him to a stake with loads of wood around it and the executioner   throttled him to death.  

Strangled him.   What kind of an execution is that? So throttled him to death. Then they set fire to him, in front of a gallery of all of these priests that had come over from England. I was gonna say flown over but they didn't have jets or airplanes back then, but they'd come over for the whole purpose.   It's an excellent article. It's really if you if you want to do more tunneling into this, because what it's talking about is the same organizational   disease   that we have in politics and elsewhere that we've been touching upon here. These things get carried away. It's as if the intermediaries   and that we don't need any. This is the whole thing.  

Scripture doesn't talk about an intermediary priestly class at all. There's not one bloody word in there about it.   It's about a totally different arrangement. I think I mentioned this before on the show. What we're doing here,   talking freely, congregating and discussing things is exactly the instruction set from scripture. But most not a lot of people know that. They think you've got to go to a church and all this and this is an absolute tirade,   an absolute   massively wonderfully critical article about that, about why there's literally no authority for them to behave in the way that they do. And so bringing it full circle to today,   I think Paisley's view of it being corporate is true. I'm not here to defend any of them because they're all   basically they're like fan clubs that have got beyond their station   and have made themselves the object of everybody's attention whereas in fact and that's why they don't teach anybody any truth from it. I just thought I'd let you know. And doesn't government operate in the same way? Keeps you stupefied.  

Be loyal to the government, otherwise, you're a bad person. All that kind of stuff. So  

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just thought I'd throw that Okay. Let let well, let's let's look at that then, shall we? Because what what what is it that the government and the church or religion or the priestly authorities all have in common? What what is it that they capitalize on?  

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Your stupidity.  

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Yeah. No. I would I'm not I'm not sure stupidity is the wrong word. I would I would say wolf pack. Maybe a bit now hold on a sec, mate. Naivety as opposed to stupidity. I'm not I'm not sure.  

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Well, they've kept people stupid. I mean, if you think about the people of England. Right?   They couldn't actually access they couldn't access the documents because they weren't in English.   They were compelled   to go to these places called churches   to be told what it was.   Where and when they were there, they were compelled to put money on the plate.   For example Mhmm. I think if you go back to the original documents,   there's a strict command that nobody gets paid for this, ever.   Think about that. You can't set yourself up as a pray as a pastor or whatever you want and get money for gobbing off about what you think is in the book. It's completely out of order. It's totally against the actual instruction set. Well, they're not likely to tell you that, are they?   They're not like and there's nothing about fancy pews or singing at all. And I don't know what it was like for you if you've ever went to church as a kid. I did. I think you did, Eric, didn't you? I I I have often said.  



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But my instinct by the way, I I I I do go I do attend churches. I've just over the years various churches, and I'm not I'm not   a traditional   I I don't think I I can't I can't feel comfortable calling myself a Christian, But I know that you say that. But I but I at the same time, I'm not not a Christian. Mhmm. But I'm I'm I'm a Christian in the esoteric sense of the word, the true sense of it.   But I I understand, Joe. I'm in the agreement with you. Fascinating places.  

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Because and I think I understand what you I think I understand what you're saying. When when you say that to people, are you a Christian?   What people hear is, do I attend a church?   Well, if I read the documents,   you're not told to do that. So if you don't attend one, you're much more likely to be a Christian than those that do.   Seriously, I'm not making this stuff up. It's so, you know, and we look at the money stuff. We're talking to people about money and usury, any of these topics. The reason why people are controllable is that we've not been given the correct truthful information by design. Exactly.   That's why I meant what's what I meant by the word stupid. We have been bred to be stupid in the face of certain bodies of information.  

So that we're very very easy to control. No. You go and talk to the priest about that. And as a kid, I was going, why? Well so you know. I can read it. I'll do it myself. Thanks very much. I never invited you to act as an intermediary.   And that's what they've done. They've set themselves up and the the whole Right. There's there's so much stuff in there. There's an absolute in the scriptures, there's a total tirade against this sort of nonsense.   This is the very thing   that most  

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most of the teachings in the scriptures are about. They're saying, this is what you don't do. You don't do any of this stuff. Cherry pick mate mate, a lot of them, they right. Even in in seminary school and things like this, they are told   to cherry pick certain phrases, certain certain, you know, bits of the bible to to to   preach, but they're also   told what not to to, like, disclose to the public. They're also told what to avoid disclosing. Right? You don't oh, you don't say,   this bit from that book because it'll contradict that bit from that book or or because it'll contradict, you know, it'll it'll cause too many people asking questions, and they'll they'll they'll wanna know why that was okay there, but it's not okay.   It's it's things like that. But   going going back so so, again, my issue is not with   Christianity. My   it's not it's nothing to do with the spiritual nature of this stuff. It's my issue is with religion as in the organized body that is that is cherry picking, nitpicking, and controlling. So you I asked just just then. I said, what what have they all got in in common, like religion and politics?  

It's   they they offer it. Right. So first of all, they take away your sovereignty. Right? This is the first thing they do. It's like, right. There is a higher power than you. You you're at the bottom of the pyramid.   Know your place.   Get on your knees and and look up. Well, if you're looking up at somebody, they're automatically looking down on you. So you you you have then   subjected yourself to what to what is now an authority. Right? So so both politics, religion, and even money, again, the three the three basic psyops, the three fundamental psyops of all time. They've all got authority figures. And these authority figures use things like fear,   ignorance. And by ignorance, I'd I'd, you know, I'm literally meaning ignorance, right, to it, which is to ignore information, to ignore signs, to ignore symbols, to ignore,   you know, knowledge as a put in, you know so so they use that against you, which is why I say it's probably more a case of keeping people in the dark as opposed to them being stupid. It's more   about naivety   in not knowing because you've not had access to certain information, you know, things things like that. Mhmm. So so you've got we and the third one, so you've got fear. Fear. Right? And they come to I mean, again, going back to what we're saying earlier about fear. It's one hell of a motivator,   but it also it's one hell of a step down. So it's it's a it's a way of keeping you in your place. If you don't do this in our policy, if you don't do this according to scripture, you're gonna go to hell. You're gonna or or you're gonna   right. There's always a punishment. Right? So so then we use enforcements.  

Do this, and we'll reward you or don't do that, and and and you'll be punished.   And and this this is what they've all got in common. It's a way it's a control system. It's a control grid. Right? I don't I don't have a problem with with with spirituality.   Not at all. And I and I would consider a lot of the aspects of of many religions in the world to be spiritual at their core.   And I've got no problem with that because I think there's an underlying, you know, trunk of truth going through all of them that they there is. I mean, that that otherwise, it would never work in the first place.   But   it's it's the construct. It's it's the the mechanism of control and authority. That's what I've got the problem with because as soon as you give your power away, and I think we discussed this the other day, you're giving away your independence, your autonomy. You're giving away your free thought. You're giving away your critical thinking. You're giving away your questioning ability and all these things to somebody that has has a perceived   elevation above you. It's not right. That that's that's my issue with it. And so, you know, talking about churches, yeah, come together and discuss and and and, you know, be spiritual and try and connect with with the the god force of the universe and things like this. Ask questions. Don't be afraid to, you know, of of punishment. And it it's that that's not the right way to do things. Avoiding avoiding questions, avoiding certain information is not the right way of doing it.  

But, equally, the reason I do attend churches and, you know, I mean, I want I want to show each one of them at at the minute.   It's very interesting. The people there are lovely.   I would actually say it was one of the better ones, actually. But, you know, I've been to Jehovah's Witness churches. I've been to,   well, halls, if you wanna call it, you know, how they refer to it. Yeah. Just just various, you know, even local churches that have been set up in in, I think there was one here about four years ago that was set up in a community center at nighttime.   There seems to be a lot of that going around where where there's they're doing it in community centers, which is a shame because there's a lot of church buildings going empty and I actually like the buildings.  



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I think it Oh, the buildings are fantastic. But that's part of the problem as well. I'm I'm sort of I've got two hats on here. First of all, I agree with you. The buildings are wonderful. Nice.   They took a lot of money to build those things and good things came out of that. So the workmanship the actual quality and architecture of the buildings is great. But what was the purpose behind it? Beautiful. It's to it's to enthrall people more fully   to a to a binding in religious   system. Yeah. And, you know, the three things that you touched upon there, which we've talked about all the time, government, banking Yeah. And religion,   most of those, as far as we know, although it's probably even more ancient than this, but their origin is in Babylon.  

Babylon is known for the development of usury and banking practice,   for the religious structure systems and priesthoods.   Yeah. For for all of this kind of stuff. And therefore, you know, that thing I was saying about half an hour ago that they've got access to knowledge that's ancient about how to crowd control, this is where it's all come from. So there's this intermediary class. You gotta listen to Bobby. He's read it better than you. Everybody else show up. Yeah. Whereas what scripture actually says is, no. Everybody gets to talk.   You all talk.  

And someone's a guide, but they're not like the official thing. What's that got to do with it? You know? Yeah. I don't know about I've always said, look, I don't need I'm not inviting you to tell me what it is. I want to read it myself and make my own mistakes. And if I get stuck, I'll come and ask you, but not as a priest, as a bloke that I know. Right? You're a bloke. Yeah. And it's it's talks about things like no titles. None. No titles at all. Yeah. Because what what happens when you put titles in the mix? You you you create in a matrix. You're you're creating a power of matrix. You're creating a  

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you know, a pyramid skin where there's always somebody above you. And they've again, it's it's perceived helplessness. It's perceived ignorance. It's perceived,   you know,   what what you know, inferiority, I guess.   So you're right. What why should there be a priest? Did a learned person who knows the book better than you or knows or or or has a, you know, vast amount of information that you can turn to and say, well, how does that work? Yeah. Fair enough. But for somebody to to claim to be the authority over it, it's a bit suspicious to me that. Me too. And I think it breeds that culture  

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so that you see, it's not how much you know. It's if if you're in discussion with someone about anything Mhmm. It's it seems to me that a key part of that in terms of being gracious and kindly to the other person,   is to provide them to the best of your ability with what we were just talking about an hour ago, to get them questioning it.   That's the whole thing, isn't it? And you go so I said, look. I'm really stuck on this bit. What does that mean? He go, well, I think it means this, but so and so's got a different view. Let's go and talk to him. There isn't an official thing. The truth will come out in terms of the attitude and relationship between the people inquiring into it. That's what's fantastic about anything. Whether it's scripture or how the government operates or that the law is crooked or that the banking system's crap. Everybody's going, no. This is an expert. Woah. Hang on. Just a minute. Who says he's an expert?   But then you're gonna you make your own evaluation   with what people say. And all of these things are interlinked.  

So I thought, you know, I think the observation you made that religion is the oldest one in terms of control is absolutely true because you've got this mystery  

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in everybody's hearts. What am I? Where is this place? Is it flat? Is it round? I know. They've just been having a discussion about that. What shape is it? Are the stars really there? On and on and on and on and on it goes. Where do we come from? Where did it all start? What what's it all all about? What's the purpose of it? Why? Right. There's so many questions. And and, okay, maybe we never get the answers to some of them or at least in this realm. Doesn't mean we shouldn't investigate it. Doesn't mean we you know, that it it's it's asking these questions that gets you to think about the other things that they're they're attached to. Can I can I just sorry? There's a comment just a little bit further up by, truth is our reality.   I've got a little anecdote here. He said that's the energy that you feel when you go into an old church. So   I think it was about fifteen years ago. So I was I was going through an atheistic   I I was an atheist fifteen years ago, basically.  

And I went to Pisa, you know, in Italy, you know, the Leaning Tower and all that stuff.   Now the the the tower itself didn't bother me. I was just like, well, it's a tower. It's lit. I'm not I'm not paying to go in there. But, anyway, the right next to it, which is what a lot of people tend to miss, is a massive cathedral.   And and it's a beautiful building from the outside, but I walked in,   and I just looked up. And I said I said to the people that were that were with me, now I get it. Now I get why   people would go into a cathedral or a church and be absolutely overwhelmed because you're you're looking around at the architecture of this thing of of the of the artwork in it, the architecture, the masonry,   the acoustics, the size of it, the all of the stuff that's in there, even even the symbolism on the walls, the cloth, the books, the bike writing, the smells that go with it. I mean, my god, you walk into that and it's like, right now I get why people fall for this. Right now I understand because Yep. Because it is it is I mean, it's beautiful. Again, I I I don't have a problem,   with churches and and cathedrals, things like that. In fact, I love going into them, most of the time, especially the old ones. But it's it's it's overwhelming almost. And you you do get that sense of, wow, there's something here. There's some there's some connection to spirit. There's some connection to God here. Right?  

And but if you can then capitalize on that and and then lead what what do they call it? Leading the flock? Mhmm. You know?   Then that's the bit that I've got a problem with. Well, who's I think we're right. If I'm a sheep Yep. Yeah. Sorry. Just just to finish that up. If I'm part of the flock and that makes me a sheep and if I'm part of if I'm a sheep, then I'm following,   where am I being led   to? You know? Because lambs generally get led to the slaughter, don't they? By by the shepherds. I think that's why that website's called wicked shepherds  

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because that's what it's about.   Because power corrupts and they get power in the priesthood class and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Right? To paraphrase Lord Acton, which is spot on and we've got this in all these man made structures. But how about this? Let's if we let's suppose we were around five hundred years ago. I mean, we won't be talking like this because this technology didn't exist. You and I probably couldn't even read and write.   We'd be looking after sheep or pigs all week or planting crops or, you know, putting shoes on horses or whatever we did. Getting by, making barrels. We're doing that stuff. Once a week, you're going to that place. It'd be mind blowing.   It'd be mind blowing. Yeah. Right? It would would would put you enthralled. You would go into a different state of consciousness. And what they're doing is they're harvesting that and not giving you the full deal. So when you think about Tyndale,   and I do, he's a bloke out there, goes to Oxford, very bright, right, really bright guy, and he goes, this is wrong.  

I've read this because he could read it in the original Greek and the Hebrew. I've read this. People need to know this directly. The plowboy of England   needs to so that he, the plowboy, as he goes through life, can ask his own questions.   What's that a threat to? Wicked shepherds. Yeah. It's a bit it's basically the sheep say, hey. Thanks. Thanks. But I don't need you anymore. And they've done everything they can to stop you leaving their   conditioned flock. That and that's what governments are doing. Every single one of them do this.  

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It's the same. And then what else did they do? Here's another one that they they so again, money,   church and state. There there's another thing that they do as well, and this this one's a bit tricky to to and once you spot it, you'll spot it there. They create polarizing dialectics. Right? There's always   an enemy. There's always an another side that we don't like. Right? There's always, oh, well Yep. We are this and therefore, the other side. So then it's so then that's in that's basic psychology. That's hacking basically psych psychology. That's putting you into, what's referred to as splitting or mental, like, cognitive myopia and things like that. It's it's creating   us and them red and blue, which it which look at the cover of of my book. That's deliberate. That's a polarizing dialectic. There's always a red and there's always a blue because they're the opposite end of the spectrum. And they're always fighting one another. And yet, if you, again, look at it from a a from an above perspective and you've got the puppet master. Right? That's the that, you know, go up and look down and you'll see what what they can see. You then then and then you'll start to see how they do it, why they do it. You know? And it's you mentioned there about a priest class,   knowing this stuff and using it against us and, you know, but in in Babylon and things,   they they were ancient psychologists. Right? The the one thing that they do   is is tap into psychology. And then and once you figured that out, you can control society. You can control individuals.  

You can put them in cults. You know? It it's it's very, very clever. I'm just sorry. Just I'm looking at the comment there. Look at the color of my walls. Leave you leave my walls alone. Red Red and blue. Yeah. I've got red and blue walls in my bedroom, but I bloody love them, and they're great.   But I put do you know what though? It has a I'm completely segueing. The red and the blue, it has a strange effect on on on consciousness.   It puts you in if it's if it's balanced correctly, it puts you into a a calm alert state. And that sounds contradictory,   but it it's it that it's very deliberate. If you can contrast the red and the blue in in in a good balance, you you can get both both sides of your brain working simultaneously.  

And and it's so it's I've I've done this for a reason.   If you can balance it out,   it's interesting things happen. But you but you look at how red and blue are are used throughout society, the news, especially, look   at the news and the media and things like that. Look at   supermarkets. Look at political parties. Look. I mean, I mean, jeez, it's everywhere. Red and blue, red and blue, red and blue. And I know all these other colors used by corporations and stuff, but just look at the the prominence of the red and blues out there. And and   it's and it is mind blowing.  



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And it's it's very, very telling. It is. It's it they create   an adversarial   condition,   which they thrive off as the middlemen.   This is this is the middlemen that are doing they need that conflict to earn their living.   They need you to be in a state Yeah. Of   off balanceness.   You start reading it directly that you they can't do it as well. This is why they went crazy and strangled Tyndale.   And the the Yeah. It's important coming through to the King James Bible in this particular example because,   he having read it, did not put the word church in his translation   once   because it's not in there, because it's not a Hebrew or Greek word. It doesn't   exist. Right? The actual word is is assembly   or congregation.  

A gathering. That's what we have assembled here behind microphones. Right? This is what we're doing. That's what I'm trying to get. It's not this there is a mystical aspect to it. But if you don't get the basics right, like how do you run the meetings, you're stuffed. I mean, when they when it first got started,   right, after Christ's death, they were basically   like we are right now. There were clubs, let's call them that, all over France particularly and in Switzerland and all of these places who were getting together and discussing this stuff. This is before Constantine rocked up and basically   politicized and nationalized it. Yep. That's what he did. He turned it into this power structure. They moved the services into these big buildings that the Romans and then you've got this whole heritage of these magnificent buildings which we love, but they were to project state power across the peasant's head. Yeah. And it works. That's why it's all there. Right? They get all this money. They come. They rob you. They take all your money. They put up a big building, and then they control your mind for the rest of your life, and you can't ask any questions about it. So Tyndale   refused   to put the word church in. Would not do it, but absolutely refused to do it because he says it's not in there. So he was brought initially, he was brought before a sort of gathering of local bishops who basically got very heavy with him, but they released him with a warning that he should never ever do that and he didn't. He said stick it up your backside. And he went off and did it right. He did it right. This is why he came to grief. This is why he's he's an absolute he's one of these guys   that nobody talks about much and you won't get much talk about him from the church system because he's the guy that basically began to prize it open for the people because he said, hey, this is supposed to go direct to just like supposedly democracy is. Right? And all these other systems that they've come up with, these are just the front end to get you suckered in. Suckered in. Oh, I live in a free and democ I've got the vote and all this kind of stuff without seeing the results of it. And the results are that you're not Yeah.  



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Yeah. I was just gonna say all democracy means is mob rule. Mhmm. And, you know, so, I mean, so so is it mobbers in, you know, the plebs and the people, or is it mobbers in, you know, gangsters and mob rule? You know? Yeah. It it's you you're being mobbed. You've been you've been it's it's just I mean, to tell you, they're they're using the language and, you know, some people say spelling and it's yeah. Okay. Word magic, spelling, stuff like that. Yeah. Absolutely. They've been using this against us for millennia.   I know. They're experts  

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at it. I mean, they really, really are. Yeah. Because they don't get any opposition. They've got the wealth and everything. They get bodyguards literally,   but also psychological bodyguards now, which means people don't speak up in meetings.   So this is another thing about church services, only one guy gets to speak. What's that all about?   I wonder I wanna hear what that bloke sat over there says. I don't wanna hear you every week.  

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Right? Why do I wanna hear you every week? You know a better stuff. Fine. Fair enough. Why you every because I went to a seminary and learned all this stuff. I don't give a crap about that. That's me as a kid. I'd I'd tell you, I'd I'd love to do that. If somebody said to me, we'll we're gonna put you through seminary school. We're gonna fund you, and you can go through seminary school, and you can get you you can be educated as a priest or or a, a preacher or something like that. I'd do it. My god, I'd do it. And I'd I'd put I'd put all my effort into it just to see. And I'd, you know, I'd be respectful to it. I wouldn't I wouldn't be a, you know, I'd I'd I'd do it respectfully, but I'd want to learn from it. I'd wanna know everything.   I wanna know what they know so that when I come out, I can say, you know, when they do that thing or when they say that, what they're not telling you is bang, bang, bang. Right? Yeah. That's what I wanted. So and just just to, sorry. The the comments are coming thick and fast again. I like it when it does that. But Steve, six blade, and it's he's a good friend of mine as as Yes. Hi, Steve. Hello.  

Yep. So he's just said that, religion translates to to hold back. So so in   in the Latin is to bind back. Right? It it actually if if if we look at it from another perspective, it's to rebind back. Right? It's to hold you back from from from progress.   It's to it's to effectively, it's to keep you in chains. It's to keep you in your place peasant. You know? It's that it's that kind of mentality.   Know your place. You are not the top of the pyramid. You are not the the patriarchy. You are not the,   the church authorities. You are not the the the senate, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. And   Yeah. Again, like church like the word church, I think it comes from Kirk, doesn't it? I think it's a Scottish word Kirk.  



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Do you have Yeah. I mean, I think it originally meant circle because gatherings would take place in in circles.   And from all I can Kirk. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That makes sense.   You know, we've all grown up with them everywhere, and you didn't question it at this level of detail when you were 10.   And if it not been for someone like Tyndale and others, no one ever nobody ever would have. I mean, when they were putting the King James   Bible together,   right Mhmm.   James insisted that the word church went in.   So he didn't that's why it's got the word church in it all over the place. It shouldn't be in there. Why? Because someone's got to be the head of it, right? Who would that be? Oh, James.   Oh, that's nice. Isn't that neat? And then he can control all these priestly classes.  

This stuff,   the actual reading of scripture is a warning against this stuff, but people go, oh, you don't read that Bible thing because you're gonna end up going to a church, and you go, holy moly. You see how it gets? That's not what it says. But because nobody could read it back then because it's all in bloody Latin, you had to go listen to some bloke who'd been, you know, this, that, and the other. And this dynamic here, just in this arena, is exactly the same dynamic in politics. It's in banking. We end up with these,   self appointed   elites that have assumed authority over the whole thing. They go through all these training systems where they learn their obedience to the power structure because they're okay with that. They're gonna be in charge of it and get paid well and get to talk a lot and their egos get fed. And this is the very stuff that the scriptures warns against. You don't have any titles. Right? None of you. None of you. Forget all that kind of stuff. And is this not what we fight against is spiritual wickedness in high places? The high place. You know, one of the things I used to say as a kid, I did say this when I was really young when I was about 14. I'd say,   if you were the devil, if you go for that just this as an analogy. Right? If where would you hang out?  

I go, where would you hang out? You'd hang out in the last place anybody would think of looking. Where's that? Church.   Wouldn't you? Wouldn't you? I sent you a ticket there. Yeah. Because you want It's soft kill. It's nudging. They've nudged Yeah. For 2,000.   And and everybody's become accustomed to this, and government have been nudging us with democracy for four hundred years or however long this garbage has been going around. And all it is, state and church are the same thing.  

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And they're both Can I give you another example? Yep. Can can I give you another one which which is in the same vein. Right? Heaven and hell.   Yes. Heaven and hell. Right? So Christians think that there's a heaven in the afterlife and there's a hell in the afterlife.   Right? Nowhere in the bible, old testament or new does it mention heaven or hell is a place.   Heaven or hell and and you look. Anyone can read the gospels and and confirm this. Right? The the the the Jewish, the old testament, things like that, there was Sheol. In other words, when you die, they put you on the ground and that hole in the ground. Right? That that's Sheol or or or Hades as in they put you on the ground. They bury you. Right? That's that's it. That's it. That's the afterlife. They put you in the ground. They put you in the earth.   Heaven and hell   correctly interpreted from from from all scripture, old testament, and new testament is a state of mind.  

It's it's a perception. It's how you project your mind out. And Jesus,   many times, they they provide you with the solution. The solution to to what you're looking for is to change your perception.   Right? You don't wanna go to hell, which is very good advice. Change your perception. Change the way you think. What is he saying?   Be critical in your thoughts. Right? Be mindful of your thoughts.   Go out there and and employ care and compassion and things like that. Yes. But also be critical.   You know? He didn't he didn't get the reputation that he got by being noncritical.   You know? I'm just thinking of the the the money changes and overturning the tables. That was a bit critical, wasn't it? That was a bit do you know what I mean? So so, you know, there's things like this and and just like the word church has been has been added into the did it come through in a Volgate or something like that? I think it was added and then and then the King James version after that. Yep. I'm not I'm not certain of that. But It's a great way to control your congregation to get them fearful.  



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Yeah. Right? Yeah. So it's just they it's not that those conditions don't exist, but they amplify for their own ends. And I agree. It's like directions. You create a hellish day or you create a heavenly one. And and if you're in charge, you'll learn from that. You go, oh, god. I'm getting my ass kicked again, but I bloody well deserve it because I've I've I've sloped off. I went to sleep. I decided to not pay attention. I just thought I'd just, you know, eat some cookies instead of actually dealing with what I am supposed to do. That's one of my problems. Right? Cookies get in the way. But,   it it it's just it's the case.  

And and the thing about, you know, you you mentioned Jehovah's Witnesses. I was talking about it last week or something. I think I was. I actually bumped into some the other day. I thought, well, they're always knocking on my door. I'm gonna and they were down on the seafront, so you didn't hear the show. So I thought, I'm gonna knock on yours, you know, metaphorically. So I sat down at a checkpoint. Oh, they'd love that, though. They want you to do that. You just Oh, I was struck. I loved it. I had a different hound. Right? I didn't go in there all steaming and all that. I put a different hound. I I go, right. I'm gonna play a different role now. It's like an actor. Yeah. You gotta do it. It's like it's like when you're on about the reform thing. You're gonna go to the meetings. It's I guess that's what I do with the churches because of   I I wanna see how it works, how they're doing it, how they use the psychology to We're we're spies. We're going in there to research. It's what they do to us. Right? You gotta go in and suss out why they're thinking the way they're thinking and why they can't see the results of of what we consider currently today to be poor thinking. And and it's because they're not examining their thinking. They don't they don't question it. They just go it's there. And and, you know, I got the line from one of them. It said, well, you know, Jesus said he loves everyone. I said, well, he don't love money lenders, does he? I said, what? I said, he whipped them. I said, you ever whipped a banker? And she started laughing. It's wrong. Said, no. I said, well, you know, if you're open for it, I'll give it a go with you. I'll join you. Let's get up there and let's just get some whips and let's get to it because I said, we'd we'd be, you wanna be in favor of God? He'll smile upon you for doing that. I said, because these are, you know, it's all a different aspect of it. Money,   your spirit with the religion thing, the law,   these are the rules. They're all man made. What's the thing that Christ bangs on about? Rightly so. He's talking about he's attacking those   that have basically put all their loyalty in the traditions of men.  

Well, that's what we're talking about here. It is a tradition. This is authority, basically. Absolutely. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying   because you're not my sheep. You don't understand this because you've not got to a point of basically casting off this man made crap.  

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Right? Which is causing all the problems. You'll never see it. They go, well, no. We're priests. We get paid loads of money. Why would we? Exactly. Well, hold on. Hold on then. Here's another one for you then. Right? Again, sorry. This is this again, this is not an attack on Christianity. This is an attack on on the church. It's on and it's an attack on that system. Right? What what is it that that he says repeatedly,   that you can only come through the father through, like, sort of sorry. I'm I'm pickling the words now. No one go comes to the father except through me. Right? So so where did the priestly plus   get the idea that they then can represent God? Look look at the, you know, the bishop of Rome, the pope. Right? You know, he's God's representative on earth. Well, hang on a minute. That's not what was said. I don't recognize your authority, mister Pope, because that is not what I'm about. Right? I'd I'm if I seek Christ, I'm not gonna go with your church and your authorities and your and your, you know, miter wearing   well, I gotta I gotta be careful what I say. I'm gonna offend the bloody church now. But again, it's it's things that have been massively taken out of context   and and and usurped. It's being usurped. I thought I I think we'll go for that one. You know?  



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I I completely accurate in my in my view. I have to keep tagging that on there. But I think Yeah. Yeah. You know, it it's just about getting   if Tyndale's a good one for everybody. I've got a little booklet of his to download where he attacks all the priests. I can't wait to read it. It's about a 100 pages and I ain't got it yet. But I'm gonna I'm gonna go into that because he's awesome. I mean he also wrote this thing where he said,   the Hebrew and the Greek agreeeth with the English 1,000   fold more than doth the Latin.   Oh. It's got no you see, my view of,   is   the the Roman thing is the Roman Empire. Instead of centurions   Yep. They just basically morphed into a psychological conditioning system and they used   Constantine said I I mean, when they had the thing he said, it's gonna be like I say it again. Who the hell are you?  

Who the bloody hell bugger off. We're not interested.   And that's why they had to do it and then they rope everybody in. It's a bit like with software, right, and the Internet. I'm serious, right? If you think about the early days of the Internet, everybody was doing their own thing. It was brilliant, right? News groups, email groups, the lot. Just completely   wide open. Absolutely fantastic.   Now, all these companies have come in and go, we are the official deliverers of email. Oh, your email's unsafe. That you're you're a threat to everybody else. The whole fear conditioning has come in. Now it's got it's morphed to exactly where they want it to. You need an ID, a digital ID, which we've secretly been building in the background all the time to be able to exist   on this system, which was given to everybody freely in the nineties, and they've now decided that it's theirs. And this is the same thing with Christ's teachings given to everybody that's got ears to hear, and they go, oh, no. You actually need us because we're we've read it better than you. And, it needs to be like this, and you need to pay us for it as well. And I need a big hat, and we're gonna sing songs and all this other stuff, which will get you not thinking about the what's actually in the documents. So people don't know what it is.  

They don't even know what it is. Their their instruction manual, they don't even read it. What's the bloody point of having it? You can't it's amazing.  

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But it's true it's true in so many areas. But then that was the idea, wasn't it? You can't confuse their tongues and confuse the life out of people, you know. Things like that that Mhmm. They know that that works. And, I mean, speaking about the Internet, though, just segueing off again. I mean, I think the whole idea is, you're right. It was brilliant in the beginning because there was free, free thought. There was there was free ideas. There was, you know, creativity.   Then the big companies come in. Again, I'm gonna use the word usurped.   Mhmm. Again, it's not like it was deliberate or anything. It definitely was. The everything is now commercialized and compartmentalized   and censored.  

Right? So as much as, you know, I mean, we're on we're on a platform. I I I like YouTube. I don't I don't like the company. I don't like Google. I don't like alphabet. What they're doing. I don't like the censorship. I do like the access to the information that that with it being easily accessible. And, yeah, okay. There's a lot of crap out there, but, equally, there's there's still a lot that you can learn from from platforms like this.   But   the more it becomes censored,   the less access to information we've got, the less enlightened we become.   And and I've got a massive problem with that, especially when they are now effectively selling it to us. Right? They're selling us censorship, and we're buying into it. They sell us antiviruses   for viruses that that that the operating system creators produced so that they could sell you an extra product to reinforce their existing product. Right? This this is not   these things don't happen by accident. They are all planned well in advance.  

They know that the Internet was gonna be successful   if they could get people invested into it. So so all of the website designers came in, all of these small corporations, and and there's still a fair amount out there. Just unfortunately,   the shadow band, they're they're they're they're difficult to find, and we're told that it's dangerous if it didn't have a lock on the bloody on the search screen and stuff like that. It's exactly the same principle as what we're talking about with with statism and religion and money and all of the rest of it. They've took something. They've got people invested into it, and then they bring in the big boys. And then they're like, oh, well, for your safety,   we have to do that. And for and, you know, and, oh, for your security, we'll just bring in these measures. And don't worry. We know that it's a problem having 6,000 different password and log on things. So now we're gonna get you hooked on your phone to give you a one time password that you can't log on without.  

It's ridiculous. I could go on and on and on about this because it drives me up the bloody wall. Where did people think this was gonna end up? Of course, it was gonna lead to digital IDs.  

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That was the whole point. That's what it's been structured around. You know? Of course. I mean Yeah. It has. We've had a we've had a good run. We've had a very good run for our money, and we won't be having this conversation if it hadn't been for that initial period of being able to connect people with all this stuff. And some of us, many of us Yeah. Have used the Internet really for what I always thought it was, which was to tunnel into this hither to hidden information   and start to go, bloody hell, I don't know what's going on. And in other words, you people like us and and the listeners here are people, I guess, in the in the main are prepared to say, you know what? Yesterday, I was an idiot. I didn't know this stuff. I'm prepared to be wrong.   I'm prepared to be wrong. Okay. We've been you proved me wrong. You'll be doing me a favor cause I don't wanna be stupid. And if you can educate me out of my stupidity, thank you very much. That's a different answer. Most people go, no. I'm right. You can't tell me anything. You go, well, you're right. Yeah. Yeah. That's gonna come true.  



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And you're stuck at that level of intelligence for forever. We've discussed this before though. Yeah. Probably. Yeah. But it's it's alright. So well, okay. Let's I think Etta mentioned this as well, you know, prove me wrong. Right? Which is great. It's that that's brilliant.   What's wrong with being wrong?   Right? Do we not learn from mistakes? Is is that not how how learn you know, learning is a difficult thing. Right? If it's not if it's not difficult, you're not doing it right in my opinion. That if you if you're doing it the lazy way, you're not really learning. You're not challenging yourself. You know, I I used to be, afraid of being wrong because it's, oh, I'm gonna get embarrassed. I have to be right. Well, hang on a minute. If if you take the mindset of I cannot be wrong because me bad or me embarrassed. Okay. Well, then you're not gonna learn anything, are you really? You've you've stunted your own growth at that point.   I don't mind being wrong because it leads to better outcomes because then I can learn from that. And this is the this is the thing that everybody,   especially   in the truth movement, needs to get their heads around. It's okay to be wrong. It's it's not a crime. Right? It's not a it's we've got to get over this. And I know we've discussed this on, in previous shows as well, mate. And I think it's absolutely right. But isn't that all part of the whole process of critical thinking, learning, and evolving? Isn't that all point? Yeah. I I totally agree. And, also, to admit that you may not know, that you don't know the answer, but you're willing to find out Brilliant. Or if whatever of whatever evidence they may want to provide,  

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you'll consider,   look it up, and then you could come back and say, you know what? You were right. And people like and see the it gives you, the person who's admitting, hey. I may not know everything. It gives you more credibility   Yeah. When you're open to say, okay. Yeah. I I may not agree with you on 99% of what you're saying, but that 1%, you are correct. I agree with you on that or whatever. You know? If you've got if you've got humility  

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and honesty and and you're genuine and you your integrity pokes through, if you can prove that that you've learned from your mistakes, everyone makes mistakes, everyone screws up, everyone's got a past, everyone right. Okay. Let's let we're all human,   but it's okay because we're all in that boat together, literally. Right? Right. So Absolutely.   And and so, I mean, the points that you've raised tonight have have been absolutely fantastic. And, again, if people can just get their heads around that,   we can we we can we can turn this around.  

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You know? Yeah. I I think so too. I think so too. I just wanna let you know my phone's gonna die, so I do have to go. But But it was great meeting you all. Thank you for joining us, buddy. Lovely to have you with us as a you're welcome anytime. Thanks. Anytime for your call. Thank you for having me on, Paul. Okay. Alright. Brilliant. Take care, you guys. You too. Take care. Fantastic. Okay. Bye bye. Bye for now. Bye bye.  

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So that that was good. I I like that. I like it when when we get people to to join in because it it it adds, like, another dimension to the conversation. It can it it's nice to to get a bit of insight as well. So that was brilliant.  

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Yeah. It means what we can get to be wrong about things, which is good. Maybe the phrase is is right to be is right to be wrong,   and,   something like that. But,   yeah, I I I it's it's as if the complications   that are given to us by priestly classes, whether in the field of religion   or democracy,   so called in politics and banking,   are Yeah. Intentionally complicated so that you can't understand it. I mean, if you want to talk to people about banking, you just watch the blood drain from their face.   I don't blame them.   If you I mean, anybody that's even looked at economics papers and what they're talking about, you're going, what the bloody hell is all this about? Well, it's a justification   for their continued salaries.  

We need brainier and brainier people to keep over complicating the issue. There isn't a problem with the economy. There's a problem with the banking system. Oh, you whoever talks about that? No one. Yeah. When? Never. Just  

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just before we sorry. I know we've got about six minutes. Yeah. We got six minutes to go. Can I bring can I bring something else up? Which is it's linked into all of this, which is AI. It's AI. Right? And so, again, it's like technology. I technology is not the problem. It's who's using it and what it's being used for and how it's being used against us. That's the problem, not not not the technology in and of itself. And it's the same with AI. Right? AI is not the problem.   It's what is being used for and how it's being used. And so what I'm gonna say here is we we talk a lot about critical thinking and mind traps and and the psychology behind all this, and we're looking at science. Okay. That that's great.   What are we what are we doing with AI? And, you know, you know, ten years ago, twenty years ago, no. People like David Icke was saying, you know, they're gonna bring in AI, and it's gonna do your thinking for you. And people are like, no. No. No. That that's that's not gonna happen.  

What are you doing, people? Right? You chat GPT. Yeah. Okay. I see the benefits of it. But, unfortunately, now now everything is is, oh, I'm just gonna ask the AI. I'm gonna ask Alexa. I'm gonna ask chat GPT. I'm gonna ask blah blah blah blah blah. It it's doing your thinking for you. Right? And and it's like, oh, well, I can produce an AI book and publish it overnight. Well, that's very nice, but you're not thinking. It's not really an intellectual property. You're not making any strides forwards.   That's not a good thing. Right? Fine. Get statistics and stuff from AI. I don't I don't mind that, but but people are now relying heavily on AI, for answers.  



[02:54:36] Unknown:

But then what's that really like? The people, Nathan, that have relied heavily on guidance from human authority systems. Yeah. You see, I I think it's an attitudinal thing with certainly with me. It's like, I ain't listening to no one who says that they're my boss.   That's it. Yeah. Sorry. But I'll talk to you as an equal even if I'm the thicker of the two communicators.   I I don't mind being thick, but you if you won't let me ask questions, I've never used an AI.   I don't even know what it is. Well, I have I've used a few things in sliced bread. That's how completely wonky I am. What's the point of it? I saw something today about the the damage that is people are getting sucked in. There was a guy testifying   in the in The States that his son had been talking to this chat GPT thing that as it or whatever it was, one of them. He got to such a state, he actually advised him and told him how to kill himself, and he did.  

Yep. Yeah. 11 or 12 years of age. This is this is sick. Yeah.   But it's gonna keep happening because people keep assigning authority to somebody else outside of themselves. Yeah. And this is you just don't need all this stuff until you're after 14.   When up to 14, you're a different kind of animal altogether.   You're wide open. Yeah. It's brilliant, but you can't that's why they interfere with kids from five years. What's that? Give me a child from five and he's ours for life. Oh, thanks very much. Great. That's good. That's gonna help. That was the Jesuit. That was oh, I forgot his I forgot his name.   It's It's one of them. It don't matter. You don't need to know his name. We don't even bother to do his call. Do you know? Probably at the time. Embarrass on myself now.  



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Right. It'll come to me, but, obviously, not not tonight.   But, anyway, it was it was a Jesuit. You know, give me a five it give me a child   until the age of, like, seven, and I can I can show you the model or something like that? Yeah. So but, effectively, what it's saying is give me an impressionable child that hasn't figured things out for himself, and I and I'll mold them to to to my particular philosophy. And and, you know, it's it's it's manipulative.   But just just going back to the AI AI thing. Sorry. I'm speaking because I'm aware of the time running out.   It's again, look at who's programmed the initial algorithms into AI. If if you think AI is is your friend and it's and it's doing, you know, it's giving you all the stuff that you need, remember who put that together. Remember that there is still a set of programs running in the background   that tells it what it can and cannot tell you or what it could you know, I mean, it's it's it's it's malevolent. And I'm not saying don't use it. I think we're we're far too late to say that now. Just be mindful, and don't rely on it. Don't rely on it. Yeah. I I agree with you. I think each individual is gonna have to deal with that the way they go. If you think about the way our life goes, you you and you think of the  

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the economic imperative, you see, is we need more efficiency. We need more speed, and people bought into this thing. We don't. Yeah. You think and and if you Ignatius   Loyola, I think, was the guy. Yeah. I don't know what they have. Ignatius Loyola? Is that Yeah. I don't think he said it, but he's the founder of the Jesuit order, but I I I it don't matter who said it. Some one of them said it. Right? That's bugging me now. Who's bothered what his name is? It don't matter. We all know the quote. And I think but if you think about this thing about   this economic imperative so everybody's bought into the idea   that we're supposed to keep speeding things up and and it's for economic efficiency. None of those efficiencies translate into bettering your life. They never ever have. It's got nothing to do with it. And so people are thinking, well, I've got to get on AI because everybody else is on it. If you wanna sort of for me personally,   if I wanna be in the presence of people who think, I go and read things that were written in the eighteen hundreds.  

I'm serious. Yeah. Why? Because people are still going around on horses.   What does that mean? It means things were slower.   The thoughtfulness of people back in those years, the ones that could write, is off the charts compared to the thoughtfulness   of today. Everything is trite and everything. We're at the end anyway. We can carry this on the next because Nathan It's been brilliant having word. You've got you've got fifteen seconds. Okay? There you go. I'll just just look at the word thought fullness. Right? I'll I'll just leave it at that. Anyway, thanks, mate. Thanks for having me on. Sorry to Relax, everyone. Wonderful. Thank you, everyone. Thanks, Etzer. Thanks, everyone for being here. Yeah. It's been brilliant. Really enjoyed it tonight. Oh, good afternoon. I've got to get you back again in a few weeks, and we'll get Steve on as well in a few weeks time as well.   Fake Awake is Nathan's book. I put the link up. Look for it on Amazon,   and get whatever version you like. Thanks very much, everybody. We'll be back again same time next week. Thanks, everyone. Okay? Keep good. God bless, everybody.  



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Good night.