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PAUL ENGLISH LIVE #109 · paulenglishlive.com
Thursday October 16th · 8pm UK · 3pm US eastern

Hour 2 guest Eli James.

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In this wide-ranging episode, we begin with a lively riff on language and comedy (from Stanley Unwin’s “Unwinese” to Ronnie Barker’s wordplay), then wander into catapults, simple self‑defence, fires and log burners, and the beauty of Victorian engineering. We contrast creativity with bureaucracy through the lives of Sir Frank Whittle, Sir Stanley Hooker, and the Harrier jump jet, before leaping to Marlborough’s logistics at Blenheim and today’s need for practical community resilience. I also recount an hour-long seaside conversation with two Jehovah’s Witnesses that sparks a bigger discussion about covenants, translation, and why “testament” frames Scripture as a contract. In hours two and three, guest Eli James joins to examine faith, law, and language: the difference between being “born again” and “born from above,” the role of concordances, and the comfort and power of Psalm 27. We explore discernment, demoralisation by modern institutions, the nature of psychopathy, and why cultivating chivalry, craftsmanship, and clear speech matters. Along the way we touch on Patrick Moore, Joerg Sprave’s Slingshot Channel, Shroud of Turin research, and a couple of boogie‑woogie cuts—before closing with a call to think and live like practical engineers of the good in our own communities.

• 'Keir Starmer — UK Parliament profile': https://www.parliament.uk/biographies/commons/keir-starmer/4521
• 'Stanley Unwin (comedian)': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Unwin_(comedian)
• 'Ronnie Barker': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronnie_Barker
• 'Sir Patrick Moore — BBC The Sky at Night': https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/profiles/28TqD0c7n8G7lSss8R6k3f6/sir-patrick-moore
• 'The Sky at Night (BBC programme)': https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006mk7h
• 'The Slingshot Channel (Joerg Sprave) — YouTube': https://www.youtube.com/@JoergSprave
• 'Jehovah’s Witnesses — Official site': https://www.jw.org/
• 'Harrier jump jet': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrier_jump_jet
• 'Rolls‑Royce (aerospace and engineering)': https://www.rolls-royce.com/
• 'Sir Stanley Hooker': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Hooker
• 'Sir Frank Whittle — RAF Museum overview': https://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/research/online-exhibitions/jet-age/frank-whittle.aspx
• 'Messerschmitt Me 262 — Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum': https://airandspace.si.edu/collection-objects/messerschmitt-me-262a-1a-schwalbe/nasm_A19600312000
• 'Jaguar E‑type — Jaguar Classic': https://www.jaguar.com/jaguar-classic/e-type.html
• 'Porsche — Official site': https://www.porsche.com/
• 'Battle of Blenheim — Britannica overview': https://www.britannica.com/event/Battle-of-Blenheim
• 'Westminster Confession of Faith — Text': https://opc.org/wcf.html
• 'Strong’s Concordance (reference hub)': https://biblehub.com/str/
• 'Psalm 27 (KJV) — Bible Gateway': https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm%2027&version=KJV
• 'Shroud of Turin — Shroud.com research archive': https://www.shroud.com/
• 'Ladyva — Official site (boogie‑woogie pianist)': https://www.ladyva.com/
• 'The Fabulous Thunderbirds — Official site': https://www.fabulousthunderbirds.com/
• 'Ronnie Earl — Official site': https://www.ronnieearl.com/
• 'Kim Wilson — Official site': https://www.kimwilsonblues.com/
• 'Arsenic and Old Lace (1944 film)': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenic_and_Old_Lace_(film)
• 'G. Edward Griffin — Reality Zone': https://www.realityzone.com/
• 'Suidlanders (civil defence organisation, South Africa)': https://suidlanders.org/
• 'Jethro Tull — Official site': https://jethrotull.com/

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The disappointment of others. Who knows? But,   yeah.   Well,   do do you know who I think   Starmer sounds like?   Who do you remember?   Stanley   Unwin. Now do you remember, actually going back a few years I do.   Professor Stanley Unwin. Mhmm. Sir, Professor Stanley Unwin makes more sense than Keir Starmer Yep. When you hit listen to him.   He does.   He does. Yeah. Well, I quite look, if I'd known, I would have got some Stanley Unwin clips. Because I would imagine our American listeners wouldn't have a clue what we're talking about.   What was he called? It's like He got rid of it. Unwinese or something. I mean, he literally Something like that. Yeah. It was very He was brilliant. It was brilliant. It wasn't always funny, but you were sort of it's a bit like with Ronnie Barker, although Ronnie Barker was always funny. And it's sort of a more surreal version of what Ronnie Barker used to do with language. It's extremely strange, isn't it?  

Well, I'll tell you another one is an interview that Patrick Moore did with a bloke that could speak,   was it the Venetian? Not Venetian. No.   For what's a planet now? Plutonium. Oh, yeah. Oh, good grief. I've seen that. Oh. Oh, I know. He's actually That's a classic.   That man would be And he's just making this crap up. Yeah. Brilliant. Yeah. That that man   Mhmm. Should be the Foggom cultural attache if he's still alive or even the prime minister   Foggom. Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. He's a he's a bleeding fruit cake.   Yeah.  

Nice.   By the way, just to let you know everybody who's tuning in here for the first our first hour usually is a sort of rambling monologue dialogue. We just do our thing here as, which I've got a couple of things I wanna bring up, but we're we've got a guest scheduled in to join us for hours two and three. Eli James is due to return with us, which I'm quite looking forward to. I've got a very interesting story to recall. Well, actually maybe a tedious story,   about my, my little walks yesterday when I sat down and spoke to some Jehovah's Witnesses. But that's for after the top of the hour. I could hear everybody going, right, I'm off. Yeah. It was yeah. It's fun. But I don't wanna say anymore about it. It was it's I'll talk to anyone, me. I'm serious. Anybody because I'm just going right. Don't prejudge   stuff like that. But,   so just to let you know, yeah, Eli James should be with us for hours two and three or at least sometime after the first hour. So that's cool. All depending on what your schedule is like. Yeah.  

And we were also talking,   I was looking to get Nathan Lucius on for today. Obviously, he's not here right now and, Eric has been chasing him up a bit. So Nathan, I don't know if you're listening or whatever, but we do understand that you've got slight connectivity challenges currently. But Nathan's due to be with us next week. Nathan, works a great deal with Steve. He's the author of the book Fake Awake and they also run, a Telegram group called the OCCL Academy which is excellent. I just joined it recently. I still don't get enough time to actually scour all these different information sources I've got. I don't know what it's like for you guys out there but there's just so much.   And finding, you know, sorting the wheat from the chaff is tricky but it looks very wheaty over there. Steve has written some excellent posts and I know Nathan's involved and he gave me a big welcome when I signed up. I'd been looking for it for ages. So the Occult Academy, a quick shout out to that if you're looking for a good Telegram group. I know you've probably already if you're on Telegram, you're probably in thousands of groups already,   but there's some really really good stuff in there. Very pointage,   constructive, sharp stuff   really about dealing with morals and ethics and good behaviour. Things that obviously we touch upon here,   in in all sorts of ways.  

Steve also runs another group called Survive the Apocalypse.   He has a lot of, advice   on, you know, sim simple things like, for example, when he was talking about self defense,   And your people are gonna laugh now. He showed how women can use this, how you can defend yourself, and this is a 100% true, with a toothbrush.   And it's quite amazing what he said. I thought he I thought he's having a laugh. But he meant it. And he showed you, And what you do,   you gotta get, he reckons the bamboo handled ones the best.   He said, the police can't do you for having a toothbrush on you because it's not an offensive weapon. So you can carry it in your top pocket.  

And he said, if you punch someone, you can actually do serious damage to your wrist because you're not trained to to do it. But he said, if you got a toothbrush handle in your hand,   that hit somebody. He said, it's really painful.   He said, it really is.   And he said,   and it won't damage your wrist.   So Actually, well, that's about I can understand. These little in supposedly innocuous things and bits and bobs that you have about your person.   I heard him talking about a a I suppose when you're using the toothbrush and you're sort of inflicting a little bit of pain on someone, you're also smiling at them and showing them just how clean your teeth are at the same time. That's right. And you get that they can get also they can get fluoride poisoning. If If if you put fluoride toothpaste on the tight on the up on the, toothbrush beforehand, you see? So Who knew? Little bit of a thought The dentistry would apply in a particular way would be so devastatingly   awful. It's just a redness. Yeah. I like that. That's it. And it's got it's got me into catapults as well, which is interesting because did you know that catapults   are   or can be more powerful than air guns?  

I did, actually. I've seen some of them, you know, those. And I also saw a post after he'd mentioned it the other week where they're beginning to nibble around it looking at legislation,   you know, to restrict catapults. But I think maybe you put a comment in somewhere or maybe you sent it to me.   They're buildable at home. I built some at home from Yeah. When I was a kid. Busy.   Plywood, which was really of some I had some really strong plywood all glued together, sort of, 12 layer plywood. That that went pretty well. Not as good as something made out of steel. Anyway, and we could form the catapult club. And you can have the fucking catapult championships,   a bit like Robin Hood.  

We gotta hit a bell. You're doing a peanut from a 100 yards, something like that. That'd be cool. And have you seen the, Slingshot Channel   with the German bloke who speaks like this? And he said, let me show you its features.   And   what he doesn't know about slingshots is not worth knowing. That's for the Americans, and it's catapults over here. Mhmm. And,   he actually proved it. He had a camera showing this missile going from this catapult.   But what you can do, if you make your own, you can use,   push by inner tubes   for the rubber to expand.  

Like that, you see? So there we are. A little bit of a vice there. You don't have to go out and buy all the top stuff, and you can make the catapult from tree branches or anything like that. Really simple to do. Yeah. It's fantastic. Well, I I look, I'm I'm happy to have a go at doing these things and and getting your own principles. I've had a bit sort of an outdoor I don't know if it was mentioned on Monday. We burnt a big fire here at the weekend,   because I had all these trees in the garden that I'd cut down over the I've got a lot more to cut down, believe you me. But the ones that I had cut down, I just left in the   in what   used to be called a garden. It's really going through its,   it's going through its desert period.  

I'm fine with it. I've let go of it. I can't I can't bring it back to its former glory, so it's got to go back to base and we're gonna rebuild it from scratch. But they'd all dried out over the summer because we've had a very long dry summer. We've had a few days of torrential rain, but it was wonderfully dry.   And so we burnt an awful lot on Saturday afternoon,   and all we got was flames. No smoke,   which is good from my point of view because it means I won't be getting a letter from the council saying we've had a complaint from your neighbors,   that smoke was going through all their lovely delightful washing and now they all smell like a bonfire, you know. I was stood right next. It was fantastic. We it was there's something satisfying about burning stuff. Isn't it? Is it a bloke thing or is it a human thing? So we were sat around Oh, no. About seven or 08:00 at night just and I'm just looking at the embers, you know, when the fire's crackling down, you're looking at all that. And I'm I'm thinking Oh, it's gorgeous. It's the most fantastic thing. I don't have a fire in the house. I keep on thinking about getting one of these log burners put in. I was talking to someone about it last night. They said, well, yeah. You can do it. They said they'll try and sell you on a stainless steel sleeve to go inside the flue because I've still got a chimney stack here, but it's all been sealed up. Really?  

Yeah. You're lovely because my house was built in the seventies, and there's no chimneys. Uh-huh. It's it's centrally heated, which I I don't like. So I'm thinking of building,   a conservatory   and putting, a log fire in there.   You're really serious to think about it. Yeah. Well, we've got our conservatory needs a new roof sometime in the next three years or so before it gets blown away in the next strong wind.   It needs to be redone. Maybe I'll put one in there. I don't know. I just remember you you know that your priorities are changing in life, Eric, don't you? When Yeah. What you get most excited about or what you're thinking about is a really comfy chair   with a with a real fire so that you can stare into the embers late at night listening to a grandfather clock ticking. I'm serious. I mean, that's really where I'm at. I I 100% agree with you. And and Richard Vobes, I think, has got to that stage. He smokes his pipe, doesn't he? And, you know, through his books. And I I really do think there's something in that. And that what you sent me about the old designers,   this bloke, you know, days when people have white coats and pencils beyond areas. Something about that as well. It had a   I wouldn't say a dick to it, but they really did enjoy their work.  

And look how creative we are. And that's another thing. Where there's governments, there's no creativity.   I'm gonna send that link to the chats, actually.   What Eric's referring to I sent you a link, didn't I, a little bit earlier today.   Yeah. It's a twenty six, twenty eight minute video. It's called The Quiet Genius, the man behind the Merlin Concorde   and the engine that saved Rolls Royce. And,   it's it's quite he's called Stanley Hooker.   He was born in Kent about 2500.   And as soon as he got he wasn't actually trained as an engineer, he's a mathematician,   very well qualified,   and then just suddenly started to become an engineer, and he's responsible for   almost, like, all the best jet engines and everything. He was involved with,   what was the he designed the Pegasus jet engine, didn't know what to do with it. They ended up putting that in the Harrier jump jet,   Sydney Cam from Hawkers.  

But the I I tell you what impressed me the most, Eric, in the video was the manner of their speaking.   Do you know what I'm talking about? The manner in which you spoke. Right? And,   it's just fantastic.   You're in the presence of people that can communicate simply, easily, and crystal clear. This is the thing. It's not all this,   you know, our ears have been bombarded with this politically correct horseshit communication   for decades.   And people think that this is some sort of sign of intelligence. It's a sign of utter stupidity   and,   when, when he was getting a bit cross and recounting   certain things,   he goes through a list, doesn't he? At one point, there's a brilliant illustration of the completely   sick nature of the way that we do things now. And he was saying that when he first got involved with all of this kind of stuff, the engineers were basically given free rein to just go crazy in the workshop. Yeah. That's why they made up all this brilliant stuff.  

And,   he said that the first thing you do is you look at the concept then you write out,   all the things that you've got to do, you look at the what's the purpose of it, then you look at how long it's gonna take for drawings to be prepared, then the costings, then the material availability and this that and the other, you know. What was the first top of the list? Horsepower. How how powerful is it gonna be? That's right at the top of the list. Right? What am I building? Right? And then he goes through the whole process. Right at the end, you've got,   testing and accounts and then he and then he just reversed the whole list. He said, now we live like this. First, the accounts wanna know how much is it gonna cost. It's I don't even know what you're gonna bloody build yet. What? And he just goes into the whole thing. And I think,   you just look at this and you go, this is that's why it's very, very useful video. Even if you're not into all this kind of stuff, I suppose it's a bit of a boys thing again.  

I've just sent the link into YouTube and I'm sending it into Rumble for those of you that you wanna pick it up, even during the show if we get a bit too tedious for you. It's twenty six, twenty nine minutes long.   Hooker's just absolutely fantastic the way he comes across. He's absolutely brilliant   guy   and,   he was also responsible for he saved Rolls Royce. He retired. Rolls Royce had this engine. I forgot what it was. It it it bankrupted the company. The company went bust. I remember.   Yeah. Well, I can't Well, I can't went bust. They called him out of retirement. They said you better come back because and he he said he went in and all the engineers were completely demoralized.   Shorthand for this country. Right? It's it's illustrated in a in a macro level.  

There's little twenty six minutes, a lot more to me. I went,   wow. Wow. And you you've got guys literally, you've got guys with pipes,   right? And they all talk properly and they get to the bloody point and they make things happen and they pick the phone up and they go, we're doing this now and it's done and it don't go, oh, we're gonna have to have a review that takes six months. It's this   bureaucratic   machine in the middle   that is risk that is the thing that's waging war on us right now. And they've waged war on these outstanding   British engineering companies. I mean, off the charts, brilliant, these guys. And the I agree with you. They're these mavericks, aren't they? He just came out of a shedding of something. It's amazing. That's right. The communist has to regulate everything. Mhmm. And that is part of communism. When you look at put typically, look at East Germany under communism.  

What what car did they produce? The Travant.   Mhmm. Some of the power loads of blue smoke coming out the back. It was   horrible. That's the that that that is the peak of creativity.   Then you look across the water in The United States. What look what they were producing. Look across what we were producing. The e type Jag. Porsche Merrick Germany. Porsches.   Things like that. And it just went off the scale. And this is the trouble. Our creativity isn't being allowed.   People are not allowed to be creative anymore. It's it's the it's the commie plan. Bureaucracy. It is. And we're not being paranoid here. This is what happens when these bureaucracies   get infiltrated with people who are more keen on their abstract ideology than they are on actually achieving something in the real world.  

And this is why these engineers with pipes, and I'm using them as a shorthand metaphor for this approach to life,   are to be looked at and respected.   They were obviously in a cultural environment that rewarded that. I just I'm just going yeah that's how it's supposed to be is that you just pick up the phone and go we're doing this. Shut up. Put the phone out and crack on with it and they just did this I mean, the jump jet is still this amazing piece of technology. Nobody ever really got on top of it. Oh, I've designed this engine. What can we use it for? Oh, we'll make a vertical takeoff   airplane. And they just That's right. Oh, we'll do that. We'll just do it. You just go, yes, please. It's that attitude, Eric. Don't you think this can do I I I agree.  

And look how marvelous it was because they used to do a maneuver. And in the Falklands War, when they come up against the Argentinian Air Force, they'd flip a lever, and and the thing would just flip over on itself. And it shot the living crap out of Argentinian pilots because they never come up against anything like it. They could do incredible maneuvers   with this Harrier jump jet. Yeah. But, again, no creativity, no positiveness,   just bland   I mean, look at Frank Whittle. Frank Whittle,   he when he put he he he came up against bureaucracy, and eventually, he went to America because he was so sick of this country the way they treated him. Yeah. And he said, when he submitted   all these facts and figures about the jet engine   to the ministry,   the top civil servant said that that would blow the skin off of rice pudding. That was his exact words. I know. A jet engine wouldn't blow the skin off of rice pudding. Yet the Germans   are not only perfected it, they had the Messerschmitt two six two. And it's because of that   that that Whittle, they managed to give him the go ahead to do the first pioneer.  

But we were years ahead of Germany,   but they it wasn't allowed.   It's it was unbelievable.   It it it is. I think that this is a I know that my dad used to talk this way about these things. Like, you can never get bloody get anything done in this country. You know that? I mean, maybe others have similar recollections of their fathers or mothers talking in this way. Oh my Yeah. Look at this. It's oh, it's like living in a lunatic. But it's true. It never really changes. And it's to do with a certain personality type that's attracted to bureaucratic   control.  

And, of course, Hooker comes across these people's way to walk out. I can't deal with this.   I've got all these skilled guy. But when he goes back and he said they were all demoralized, and the and the guy that worked with him, he said, look, he came back in. Everybody's demoralized. He said, within inside two weeks, everybody's jumping around like firecrackers   because he just said, you're doing this. You're doing that. Get on with it. I need this. Buy this. Sort it out. And this is this organizational   brilliance. I'm gonna suggest it right now. I'm gonna blow the our our organizational brilliance is off the charts when it's not interfered with. It I mean, it's it's astonishing. You know, I was listening to something the other day about the Battle of Blenheim.  

Right? Now, unfortunately,   this does tap into the Churchill family. I'm terribly sorry about this, but this is before it all went rotten in the in the latest last century.   John Churchill,   very interesting guy, very tough guy,   ended up sort of being commander. I'm gonna this is gonna be a really mashed up mangled version of it.   But, we had an alliance at the time with the Dutch. This is the early seventeen hundreds   and the big concern,   both for the Dutch and for many other countries was the union between France and Spain, which would have blown everybody else out of the water,   because   Spain had an awful lot of gold. You probably know this. And France had an awful lot of sort of horsepower and land and stuff, and together they would have been really unstoppable on Mainland Europe at the time.  

So they formed these alliances and,   I'm not even gonna talk about the battle. I'm not I don't want to talk about that.   What's really interesting is that Churchill deceived the Dutch. So I I suppose this is maybe where where his great great great great great great great great great great whatever it is, grandson got the same thing. But it was, you could say, the ends did justify the means and basically the Dutch just wanted to defend Holland, understandably so.   But he understood that there was this battle to be fought over in Austria. It's a bit of a way away. Right? Something like that.   Yeah. Oh, through Germany. So what he did was he lied to the Dutch. He said, look we're just gonna go down here to the south and defend this river.  

So they went, okay. And off they went. And then he pushed them a bit further. And after a few more days, after they clocked on what was going on, it was they were so far away. They couldn't go back. So they had to go through with it. So that was that was a deception that he had to run. It all turns out brilliant in the end. However,   the bit I was going to say was that,   he had planned   and this is this logistics thing about   about war or this combat situation.   They planned the entire route with horses. They even had cobblers. He had cobblers stationed   along the route at certain towns because all of the troops had to be fitted with new shoes. They were marching 25 miles a day. The highest speed an army of that time ever achieved. Right? It was really fast. Bloody. Yeah. They were doing 25 miles a day, right, in these boots. And after two days in these boots, they were completely shot to bits. Right? So they needed a new set of boots. He pre planned the lot. Food supplies for the horses, for everything. And it really got me thinking I'm I'm tapping back into the food thing that we were talking about earlier on.  

We actually are in a war.   We're in one. There's no two ways about it. Our governments, not just in this nation, are waging war on us by, as Frederick Blackburn would say, fourth generation warfare. That's exactly what this is. In other words, there's only a few of us that are really fully seeing it for what it for what it actually is. And most of our neighbors, like we've mentioned before,   are not fully up to speed, although their senses their hackles are going up. This is a good sign. So I'm not being completely doom and gloom about all of this. But I thought, you know and this is why the food thing that Mark was talking about, the bullheaded farmer with you on Monday in such a constructive way is so important because we are going to live on our stomachs. And if we don't, we won't.   And that's and so I think it's such a constructive thing for us to do. It's not an overt declaration of we're gonna pick up axes and do this kind of stuff. But these people are smashing our lives up,   the this other side. They're smashing it to pieces. Everything that we love and cherish that gives us kind of a motivation to be alive and to smile and to interact with people and to live a life of inquiry,   it they're they're smashing it all. And that's war. I didn't I didn't invite them to do this. I don't think you did, Eric. I don't think any of our listeners did. We didn't invite them, did we? So we're gonna have to be as cunning, logistically,   as Marlborough was, as Churchill was back in the Battle of Blaat. I'm just using it as an analogy. You can make a bit what you will, but I think we do. I think we need to start thinking logistically like engineers about how we run our lives,   and how to become more efficient as a people and to create that sort   of esprit de corps. And I think food I I really do think food meetings and food dumps is definitely could be a massively important part of all that.  

I I agree with you. And there's a place in South Africa, I think they're called Sundlanders.   I may have got that plan. Sudlanders. Yeah. S u I d. Sudlanders.   Sorry. Yes. I pronounced it wrong. And they're planning   for when the balloon goes up. And it's very, very wise because   we need protection against   again, to call them government, they're not government. They're the mob.   We need protection against the mob.   And there are, another thing. I think it was was it Mark that said it was it survival   Steve? Something called The Shield,   where they're like our own police force   that arrive on scenes and tell the police, who don't know anything about law, the law, and the police generally go away with their towel between their legs.  

Because it takes six months to train these people up Yeah. To literally come on like minute men. You got trouble, bailiffs,   long they come   and send them on their way. You know? I I think it's all worthwhile, Eric. Yeah. I I think it's almost as if   this the feelings and the things that we're expressing here from time to time in this show and others comparative shows,   it's as if there's lots of little pockets all over the place. Okay. So be it. Yes. Maybe those of us that are in Little Pockets wish, well, we wish we were all massive. You know? Yeah. Okay. We do. However, may we probably are massive.   It's just that the connections have not yet been made. And it might seem a little bit sort of wonky for me to say this, but   I feel personally that when I talk to strangers and do this thing, this is part of this,   establishing of the human glue between us again. It needs to be reestablished.  

I was thinking of something really radical today, which would be impossible to pull off.   But it really got me thinking about the repercussions of it. How about we have a a day, I think that's the most you could ever ask for everybody, we have a day where nobody uses the Internet or or switches their smartphone on. Can you imagine what that would be like?   That would be interesting.   Yeah. Well, look what they did in, New Zealand. I think it was in the eighties or nineties They had a terror ticket day. Mhmm. And the government in one of the towns, they implemented   parking charges   just to make more money. So everybody deliberately parked where they shouldn't park. Yeah. And   when they got their tickets, they just threw them up, and the government couldn't do anything about it because nobody paid. And this is the thing. You want unity. You know? And so no. We're not not gonna do it. We're not prepared to accept it. I mean, when we're brought into this Earth,   had   you   or me or anybody   listening in, did you choose to have a government over you? No. It's just imposed upon us. Did we choose to have local councils? No. It's been imposed. And we accept that they say, oh, we gotta have a government. Have you? Have you really?  

You know? No.   I don't think so.   It would take several generations   to wear that out of our minds. But where there's government, there's bureaucracy and there's problems.   There is. I don't think it's necessarily that the idea of a council   or of an organizing principle is necessarily a bad thing. I think   circumstances have brought it upon people. You know, if we go back a long time, Vikings are coming.   There's 50 boats.   Right? There's 20 men in each boat. They're gonna be here in four hours according to what we've got. We need to light these lanterns on the top of these hills up and down the South Coast Of England,   and I'm in charge of this tribe. Oh, go see Eric. Go see Bob. Whoever it is, you better get down there. Otherwise, your wife and your children are gonna be taken. Right. Yeah. I'm all for that. So it's not the intent. It's what happens is that these things have become malignant.  

They've they they run out of purpose for existing once that kind of emergency has gone away to some degree   and they've become a sort of self perpetuating   ruling system   that that basically much of what they rule over they were never invited to. They've expanded their power base like all sort of human organizations do Yeah. To justify their continued existence.   Anyway, fortunately,   no one should be too worried over here because we're about to pay a lot more tax to pay for all this and And I think that's a jolly good idea, Eric, because I'm certainly a very satisfied taxpayer. I think I get tremendous value for my money and no doubt everybody else here thinks that too. It's just delightful, isn't it? It's delightful   and they should have as much money as possible to sort our problems out in in the and carry on in the way that they have been doing. Sarcasm.  

Sarcasm. Sarcasm. Sarcasm. Okay.   So,   yeah. I mean, that's it. And then they they become so entrenched and separate culturally from us as people, as individuals.   And your point that you repeatedly make and should continue to repeatedly make is is well made. They are city dwellers. And it's shorthand for   people that have they begin to occupy an area, I think, in their own minds   that is disconnected   from real life. They're not actually connected   to how you and I live.   They don't meet real people. They don't laugh properly.   They they are the first sort of line of the automaton.  

And that's what we've that's what we've ended up being guilty by. It's a diseased system, literally.   They think, you know, if you say to them, where does meat come from? They say Tesco's.   They wouldn't think it comes from cow or sheep or any yes.   But, no, they are they are dumb. And you notice that they they like   blandness.   Now I don't know if you saw that, video I sent to, but as the chap said that the Victorians,   discovered   how   to do beautiful,   cast iron works. When you look at the,   beautiful buildings that the Victorians built, for example, the House Commons and things like that.   And they found how how how to mass produce beautiful things.  

How comes we've lost it now?   We can do it if we want to. I mean, look. He showed you the lights on the embankment of the Thames Yep. Which looked like some sort of fish or something.   And it's it's and it's cast iron. And the Victorians   were so skillful at it, we have not got that skill today. We just can't match what the Victorians did with cast iron.   So why can't we do that type of thing? Cast iron is relatively cheap.   You know, we could make a lot of beautiful things. There's also that pumping station.   I think it's at Stratford   for pumping sewage.  

And you go in there, and it is just   like well, it it it's just   it's just an incredible piece of artwork.   A beautiful place to have worked. And the Victorians   wanted to make the world a beautiful place. Well And look what's happened now. They gave they gave engineers their head. They allowed them   to come up with creative solutions and to think outside of the envelope. The envelope now is so permanently sealed with regulations.   And that's, you know, just going back to that little video about hooker and all the engines are designed. In a nutshell,   it's a it's a lot more than about that guy's life. It's almost it's literally a metaphor for what's happened. You can just see it. I mean, it's not even about that but I saw that in it. I saw a lot of things in that little video which were I found rather inspiring actually. You just go look at what can happen when intelligent men and women are put together and you go, here's the task. How are we gonna fix it? And and, and the accountant's not in charge.  

Well, precisely Why would you need an accountant in charge? I mean, you wouldn't need one if we had a if we had a monetary system that supplied the money to where it's needed because we don't have that. And it's because the monetary system is warped. I know I always keep bending back to this, but this is one of these knock on effects of it. Because everything is about the economy,   then there isn't an economy of wealth, of actual wealth in terms of real stuff and the things that we create.   There just isn't. There just isn't one. And,   so the actual buildings that we put up and all this stuff that, you know, we drone on about and we're gonna keep drowning on about, we're we're talking about the symptoms of this disease that's that's psychological. There's a psychological   behavioral disorder   in the governing class. We can call it communism for want of a better word,   and currently modern liberalism.  

Yeah. They're they're I as well as ideologies. It's got nothing to do with resources   anymore. The education system is, oh, you need no level in this and no level in this. No. The Victorians got it right. Mhmm. That is, if you wanted to be an engineer, you could have no qualifications at all.   You would go on a requent apprenticeship   to learn to be an engineer or anything you wanted to do. And if you were crap, you'll be you'd be thrown out of it within the very early stages. And it's the same with doctors and nurses. You served an apprenticeship, and if you were rubbish,   I mean, you think the amount of rubbish,   doctors and that that are in the NHS, and they get away with it.  

Whereas,   in a normal world, people just wouldn't go to them. And it's like in the third world.   Lots of blokes I've worked with, contract blokes that worked in in sort of places like Nigeria   and all these different places, they said they'd never ate the food in the hotels. They always went down where the locals went and ate street food. And they said if anybody on those street vendors served for dirty food, someone had a stomach upset,   Nobody would go to them. And he said, you get on the longest queue. Yeah. And that is the wisest thing to do. I don't believe in driving licenses. I don't believe you should have a,   a driving test. If you're good enough to drive, you drive. What what do you need licenses for? It's all a money making racket. That's all it is. Money money money all the time. And I really do think I mean, if you listen to G. Edward Griffin, he comes out with a lot of sense.  

And   we are responsible adults,   and we should and we've lost our responsibility   because these bloody governments   because you're leaving your part of your life to be run by a complete wazock.   You know? I love that word. I haven't heard that one in quite a while, Eric.   That's a good one. I like Wazak. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what it means, by the way, but we know it's a bit sort of insulting. You don't want to be called one.   Anyway, look, we're at the first hour.   We're at the end of the first hour. So it's time for a little musical interlude. We're gonna have a musical interlude. Oh, that's jolly spiffing, isn't it? Jolly spiffing.   I'm going a bit of boogie woogie R and B on this thing. In fact, I'm gonna Oh. Two. Yes. I'm gonna play two tracks because they're both just a couple of minutes long. So we're gonna take a little break.  

And we'll be with you, in about four or five minutes time. So, go and get your drawing pencils out and your pipes and practice being engineers,   and we'll see you   in about four or five minutes time on the other side of this couple of little tunes.   Oh, babe.   What you gonna   I get up in the morning, pick you something to eat. Before I go to work, I even brush your teeth.   I come back in the evening. You stand in bed.   Got a rag tied around your head. Oh, baby.   What the shit going to do?   I'm sick and   before you find yourself   by side all day.  

What's you gonna do?   I'm sitting and tired,   fooling   I get up in the morning, fix you something need.   Before I go to work, I even bless your team.   I come back in the evening. You're still in bed.   Got a rag tied around your head. I'll be   waiting you're gonna   Oh, we're all bloody sick inside of everything and fooling around with certain things.   Anyway, there you go. A couple of, boogie woogie r and b tracks.   My, my record collection is stuffed with things like that.   So I just   Same as mine.   Similar to mine. Oh, yes. I like all that sort of stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Was that Chubby Checker the last one? No. That was,   I used to sing that in the band that I used to play in, actually. In fact, I last sang Is that something? No. No. It's, Ronnie, you won't have heard of any of these thing. I've got the most obscure record collection. It's Ronnie Earl and the Broadcasters.  

How about that?   Ronnie Earl and the Broadcasters.   And vocals was Kim Wilson from the fabulous Thunderbirds was guest starring on that particular   album.   That musical bum as, as a is that what Benny Hill is saying? Roy Orbison's musical bum. His music album. Oh, sorry. Yes. Music album. Yeah. Yes. Absolutely. And,   the   the station with the biggest tits.   That's steady. Oh, good lord. Oh, mind you, that's the worst.   Go wild now. But, yes, the gas That's what that's Clint Eastwood used to say. He said, this is a station with the biggest tits.   Biggest hits, h I t s. Is that it?  

Yeah. Yeah. It is. Anyway, we we've been joined here in our team by our good guest, Eli Hello, Eli. James. Eli, hello. Good afternoon. Welcome to the show. Hello. How are you doing?   Yes.   I'm doing I'm good. I understand you Britishers don't pronounce your h's too well.   No. Eric doesn't. He's terrible.   We roll our arms. Yeah. And   we're yeah.   And, it's, you you don't you guys just don't know how to speak English. You gotta get the Chicago manual of style Yes. To,   pronounce everything correctly.   Right? Cannot speak English correctly. News, guys. It's all gone very, very bad for us, Eli.   Yeah. Yeah. At least you're not as bad as Boston.  

Boston.   What? The Boston I don't know how to   yeah. Yeah. It's it's crazy.   But, yeah, the one good thing about Boston   is that speech that,   JFK made about conspiracies.   Yes. And he did that a few months before he was murdered. Okay?   That,   we do not believe   in,   covert means   of, running the government.   But he said, covert means. Okay?   It's it's worthy of playing in Britain because,   it it basically under tells the the world why   he was assassinated.   Okay?   As, and Abraham Lincoln did kinda the same thing. He said, when he freed the slaves, he said, I'm not freeing the blacks   to make white people slaves of the international bankers,   but they never quote that either.  

Right.   So You know you know So how's it how it goes it? It goes well, we've had we've had a fun opening hour. We've got lots of I'm sure we'll talk about all sorts of things. The,   just to head up a little question from the chat here. Etta Volk says, what did you   play? What did I just play? Well, I'll tell you what, the the second song was Ronnie Earl and the Broadcasters   with Sick and Tired. Not an original I think that's an old R and B classic from the fifties.   I think it was. I can't remember originally. Right? The first one,   what was the first one? Actually, I stumbled across the first one today on YouTube and I just thought, oh, well, I mean, just something in the middle. It's called it's called Boogie Woogie Explosion. How about that for an original title?  

And it said the pianist   is a lady.   How about that? A lady. She's Perfect. Yeah. She's very beautiful as well. No. I've got to let you know. She's What's that? And she's a brilliant and she's called oh, the name on it was Ladyvar,   all one word, l a d y v a. If you look up, you'll find stuff. I think she might be Spanish, actually.   And the band was a Spanish   band, and it was, I quite, you know, every now and again, a good blast of that is great.   And the way you keep that music going is you play the hell out of it. You just get up there and really go for it and it's it cuts across I think it cuts across all the ages. We've got a piano in the house   and not that either of my lads can read music, but they play all the time. And then and last half of six months, it's boogie woogie stuff, and they're doing all this stuff. And, of course, it's that left hand. You gotta get that left hand going. I can't play piano for toffee. Right? But if the left hand's not thumping out that rhythm, you lost it. Oh, yeah. She's brilliant at it. She's very good. So Lady Vahr, l a d y v a, for those of you that wanna go and do a quick search and find some more stuff by her. Yeah. Yeah. Cool.  

You mean that second song was not by Beethoven?   Apparently not. No.   Okay.   What was the title?   Was the title Black Fatigue?   I've got black fatigue.   I don't think so either. I've got black What have you been drinking?   I've been drinking before you came up. Have you been drinking before you came up? Very What's going on?   Very very stiff coffee. Very stiff coffee. Yeah. So yeah. What black fatigue is the rage in America. I mean, if if you guys do you guys get YouTube?   Yeah. We've got you. I think we've got YouTube, don't we, Eric? Do we have YouTube? Yeah. We've got YouTube.   Just Yes.  

Yes.   Just search for black fatigue. It's all the rage on YouTube. A lot of black people even are making black fatigue videos of how,   shit. Can I use the n word?   How how Nazis have taken over the world. Right? No. No. No. No. That's a different subject. The the the Negroes   Yes. Are rowdy and contemptuous and,   smashing things and burning things down and all and the good Negroes are tired of it. Even the good Negroes are tired of it. So are white people. So search for black fatigue. It's some of these are hilarious. What you're referring to. It has been called n fatigue as well, hasn't it? But we can't use that sort of language over here, but everybody knows Oh, right. Okay. Yep. But it has. Well, we could use that language, but we, you know, we want to keep on doing the show at least for another week if we can. So Yeah. Right.   You'll get Alison Chablode if you don't if you don't watch your p's and q's. Yeah. Well, maybe.  

Well, sort of. Yeah. I get I mean, it has got it's unhinged.   It's definitely unhinged over here. There's no two ways about it. It's a it's a ridiculous sort of situation that we're in. Actually,   there was a a judge I'm just trying to find it if I can. Yeah. There was,   bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum where did I stick it?   Here we go. Okay. So   this was,   a recent judgment.   I think it should play,   in a British court. I think this is only about fifty seconds long. Let me just play you this. Went on to say that you did not There's just your money Here we go. Going to immigrants   who, quote, rape our kids and get priority,   end quote. This is your opinion. Is so serious   that an immediate custodial sentence is   unavoidable.  

Would you stand, please?   Amen.   The sentence that I pass has been reduced by one third to reflect your guilty plea.   The sentence is one of twenty months imprisonment.   And that's for a Facebook post. That's England, Eli. Wow. Just to let you know. That's for a Facebook post. Yeah.   And for cutting people to pieces,   no no charges filed.   No.   If it's done by immigrant,   so   called. Yeah. Immigrant fatigue. Oh, man. Let let's definitely   I just got I I should do the rework the lyrics for immigrant song.   Coming from the end of the ice and snow.   Gotta get away from from those immigrants.  

You've definitely Oh my god. You've definitely been taking something before you came on here on the show.   You're through the roof. It's brilliant.   But, yeah. Well, you could you could rewrite the lyrics if you wanted to. But, yes. I remember That'd be awesome.   I don't have I don't have it anywhere. You know when you see things, you go, I should have kept a record of that and, I saw something years ago. I'm sure many listeners will have read things like this. It was like an internal memo. It's probably a commie thing, actually, from years ago, where it talks about literally reversing   everything within the power centers. For example, the thing that they talked about was,   with regards, of course, to courts of law, is that the victims of crime   will be treated badly and the committers of crime will be treated so leniently as to basically confuse the gallery. But it's by design.  

It is by design. Yeah. There is. Yeah. These the courts that we have, I'm saying courts   loosely,   are all part of this process of wearing bureaucratic warfare and psychological warfare on the people of these islands, but it's not going on just here.   It's it's everywhere. So, you know, the idea that you could I mean the whole thing about hate speech and hate crime   is   is a relatively   recently coined phrase. There's, you know, as to the avoidance of all doubt, I've   hate is defined in my dictionary. I use several but I'm quoting Chambers which is I've got a great Chambers dictionary. Hate is   an aversion to   or intense dislike of.  

That's what hate is. Mhmm. An aversion to, you wanna you wanna avoid it. You don't wanna be around it. Or an intense dislike of. That's what hate is. Yeah. Therefore Right. I'm not aware of any human being that's alive now or that has ever lived that didn't hate.   Mhmm. Simply You know Jesus Christ hated. Of course. He he he hated Pharisees.   He hated Pharisees. He hated he hated banksters,   money changers. He did. He absolutely hated them. Yes. He he didn't he he didn't love everyone. You know, I I I was saying to Eric in the first hour before you were here, Eli, that I had a little anecdote to tell, and it taps into the comment you've just said. Everybody's getting worried now. Right. The other day I was out walking on the seafront. It's every day I'm on the seafront and I'm walking along. We've got these lovely,   Eric would know them very well, these cast iron old Victorian   sort of seating areas on the front of the sea. They're lovely, actually, and they shield you from the wind and it's pretty windy down here at times. And you can sit comfortably in these things. And I'm walking along and I see some Jehovah's Witnesses.  

Okay? Oh.   So I think Okay.   I'm I just think I'm gonna have a chat. I just thought I'd have a chat. I'm completely owned. Did they roll up on the shore?   Did they roll up on the shore or did they walk by? No. No. They were they were I thought they were only in America. No. No. No. We got them all over the place here. They're everywhere. There's nine and a half million of them in the world. I I learned from my little exchange. Really? Oh. Yeah. Nine and a half million. Okay.   And,   the there were two ladies. There they often are ladies. Certainly, the ones that are out on the streets. I've had,   many of them knock at my doors and I'm sure many people are in The UK are familiar with this, the knock on the door from the Jehovah's Witness. Right. And I always treat them well. I don't really mind. I'm always interested to know quite where their   thinking lies. Yeah. That's right.  

Yeah. We ended up talking for about an an hour. Oh, I did anyway.   And,   they were very nice. They They were very nice because they gave me a mint. They gave me a mint. And,   Gwen, who was one of the ladies, she said, would you like a mint? I said, I'd love a mint. It was great. So we had a mint bonding process Yeah. Which was really good. But Ah, there you go. It was I'm just I wasn't trying to sort of confront them over things. Obviously, I disagree with much of what   the analysis is, let's put it that way, of what scripture says and what it's really driving at.   But I wanted to hear it from them and also to try and throw a few little   question marks into their thinking.  

I wasn't particularly successful   at doing that. I mean, I quite enjoyed my little stay with them and the reason I wasn't successful is   I or the thought I had at the time was I'm talking to really decent people. They really work good. Right? Right. Their hearts are absolutely in the right place. They want to work toward a better world. I can't knock any of that. I'm thinking this is better than sitting around doing nothing at all even though I think   they're off being with some regards.   But that they were definitely glass   full people. There's no room. There was no room in my communication   for the for them to even consider really. I mean they were very polite, but I could see that I wasn't I wasn't actually leaving them with that funny look on the face, which I'm looking for. The bit where they go Okay. Oh, I'd never thought of it in that way before. Yeah.  

I've got a suggestion for you. The next time the Jehovah's Witnesses knock on your door or they come by your what what is what do we call that? That's like the bus stop.   Yeah. The the on the seashore.   That shelter that bus stop shelter, there's a word for that. Anyway,   have a copy of Nord Davis's,   article   where where he actually tells a story. He he was confronted by two Jehovah's witnesses Yep. Or they might have been LDS. I'm not sure   which. And and he starts explaining the meaning of the word contract.   Well, Eli So did he say that? That's exactly my pitch. That was exactly my pitch. Okay. I didn't I didn't mention Nordea. It's interesting that you bring her. So for those of you that don't know what what Eli's just referred to, there's a document out there,   called Star Wars   by Nour Davis Junior. And I think he chose it because it was written in the eighties and, of course, Star Wars was a big cultural event at the time. But it actually does mean something because it's the war between the six pointed star, which is the bad guys. Mhmm. The the Empire. Yeah. The evil empire. Good. And the five pointed star. There you go. The five pointed star, which is gonna be the right way up, by the way. Not an inverted five pointed star because that's another satanic. Anyway, getting into the sim I don't wanna get to all the symbol and stuff, but but,   the anecdote you're talking about is that   it's wonderful the opening part of of Star Wars, isn't it? It's really tremendous.  

By the way, If you don't have a copy of it, Eric, I'll send one to you. It's the most it's one of the best introductions to this sort of   way of looking at these documents that come from Christian identity. Yeah. It's very accessible   and it's it's laid out in terms for normal people. And,   he's basic what did he say? Yeah. He's in he's in this street somewhere   and there are two guys Even Jehovah's Witnesses can understand it. Yes.   Okay. And these two guys have just spent five years in a seminary studying everything and have just qualified, want to talk to him about scripture.   So he goes along. He plays kind of dumb and he's listening to them and everything.  

And they say a few things and he starts to ask a few questions. I won't get to the whole thing. It has to be read. But the questions that he starts to put to them begin to put a little puzzle on their face   and he suggests he said, do you want to carry on the conversation? They say, yeah. So, well, we're going to a cafe and we'll have a coffee. But as he's walking over to the coffee shop, he leans in to the glove compartment of his car and he pulls his Bible out, which is covered in post it notes and stick it and and absolutely littered Right. Notes like it's crammed as a study Bible. Yes. And and then he sits down and talks to them and and this is   so he he talks to them about contracts and I've mentioned this here before. It's interesting Eli that you mentioned it because also   I was on with Rhea this Sunday just gone, not knowing quite what I was gonna talk about before I went on. But the last half an hour,   I wanted to talk about this. I think it's it's just it's a point that that's worth mentioning. And what and what I was saying to these to nice ladies yesterday, I said, I listened to what they'd said about this and they were talking about, you know, the kingdom's gonna come and all this kind of stuff. And I know that this can be toe curling stuff. If you're listening to it and your toes are curling, I know exactly what you're going through. Right? Because you feel as though you're in in front of people that have got such a rosy picture that it can't be right. And it isn't right, by the way. It's not that I'm against the rosiness.  

It's just such a small part of it that I believe that they have   amplified to push everything else out. It's the strong meat for men that we're in that I'm interested in. And so   I said to them, I said look, I said   can can I just can you give me a few minutes to just say a few things? They said sure, you know, they were really good. In fact, Sheila the the Yeah. The the main talker, she was a lovely lady. She'd actually been to,   she'd studied in Leeds, which is my hometown. She came from she'd stood at Leeds University. She'd be probably about ten years older than me. Really nice. Great communicator. Excellent. Very good listener. I really enjoyed her company.   And,   she'd been a spiritualist, like a medium when she was younger.  

And then,   she realized when she was about 18 or 19, she was going absolutely down the wrong path,   as she was telling me. And she moved towards looking at scripture and found her home. I said, well, that's fantastic, you know. Whether   I'm sure we disagree on lots of other points. But,   I went into this thing. I said, look, this this word testament,   I said it I think it's   immensely important. I said, you know, I view it as one of the primary context setting words for the whole thing. If Pete and most people, I'm gonna suggest to you, that come across this word testament, don't understand what it means.   And therefore, to paraphrase Henry Ford or what Henry Ford says, you know, most Christians read their Bible through Jewish spectacles and therefore read it wrong.  

And,   because they don't understand that it's a contract. So we go into the whole of the contract thing and I'm going through the pitch and I'm saying, look,   contracts are exclusive.   Right? I said, if you if you and I have a contract   to for me to mow your lawn, this is the one I always use, you know. I said, it's only you and me. I said, you're you're I said, Gwen here, the the lady that gave me them in, I said, she wouldn't be included, would she? She says, no. I said, okay. It's just you and me. Right? So contracts   inherently mean   that if you're not on it, you're not in it. I said, and so I'm gonna suggest   yeah. So And you don't have and you don't have anything to do with it. You you don't have anything to do with it. I know. I said, you know, right now, in this town, there could be the reading of a will, for example. Okay? There you go. The contract. There you go. Yep. I said, now you and I could go down there and hang around out the back and say, we're on that. We could try and pretend. I said, but we're not on there, are we? No. I said, and this is very very important. It's only going to apply to whoever's names are on that stuff.  

And and they got this bit. Of course, they get confused because they think it means the Jews. And I said, I understand why you think that. I said, I'm gonna I'm gonna suggest to you that that's a mistaken that's a mistaken Yeah. Understanding as well.   And, because my language is very soft. I'm very soft. I'm not going in there. There's no point. There's literally no point. That's very, you know. That's very un American of you. It is. Well, I mean You have to be loud and raucous. Yeah. We don't do that. Okay. We're diff we're diff You're doing fine. Eric. Eric, we're diffusing. Yeah. And calm, aren't we, Eric? We're very You're officially Yes. That's right. Yeah. Because, Yeah. But did I did I have to tell you, I I went to a seance once.   Yes.  

And,   the woman, yeah, the woman running it, yeah, she started laughing, so I hit her. Because I always like to strike a happy medium. So Yeah. You actually pronounced your h that time. You didn't say I hit her. You hit   her. I know I know it's   12 proper nouns. It's h is two.   A half hour, not a half hour.   Have you ever invited that? I can do h list talk. I can   I can go along with that in half an hour and all that kind of stuff? Half an hour. There you go. That's half an hour. Half an hour. But nobody says hower, do they? They say hour. No. Half an hour. Half an hour. Yeah. What was that what was that British,   comedies? I mean,   pretty good. The Sunday funnies.  

It was Andy Capp? I think it's the right one. Andy Capp. Yeah. McDaniel Murray. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He he never pronounces h's.   Right? No. No? Never. Never. Because it was Cockney. Cockney accent. Yep. Right? There you go. That's right.   Anyway, that's off the subject.   Have you have you ever invited,   a Jhovers witness in? Because if you do, they go silent. And you say, well, why are you going so long? He said, they usually say, well, we we haven't got this far before. So I'm sorry.   Well, I didn't I meant it was really it was very You're you're not gonna you're not gonna hit me, are you? No. I mean,   I   think, Eric, if you'd been there or anybody, we just sat doing it. It was a lot of fun. It was. It was a really Yeah.  

A very warm communication because   there's there's literally all I was trying to point out, I said, look.   Christ did not   come back forever. And I started talking about certain incidents   from it. I I think it's so important this.   It's the most important part of it because obviously their approach is they said and this is when they said, well, there's nine and a half million of us worldwide. I said, okay.   And wherever we meet, we all get on because of this shared understanding. I said, that's absolutely fine. I said, but this in my view,   I said, that's not what this document's about.  

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. And they were great. They didn't react badly. They said, they quite liked it that I didn't agree with them on a lot of what they said because of the way I was trying to handle it. I said, I don't think that's true, but you tell me what you think. You're such a   Yep. You're such a gentleman. That's why. You've got to find a way, Eli. There's got to be a way. I that's it. I I tell you. I think that there's a challenge. You've got to be a way. You've got to suss people out and go, what is this sort of person? So these were sensitive,   sweet ladies of a particular age,   very sincere of heart,   and you couldn't help but like them. These are people who who help their neighbors and do stuff. I'm going, these are the sorts of people I want to live with. But I'm just all I'm saying is I think that some of the things you're saying   and what you're you've been taught are not correct. But it's not just an opinion. I want to tell you why I think they're incorrect. Okay? And so just going through certain aspects of it,   that didn't really go down that well. They didn't react badly, but I could see it didn't make any dent whatsoever. Yeah. You know, everybody's included. They're all this, that, and the other. And and they were saying, you know, the whole Earth's gonna be destroyed. There'll only be a few people left, and that's gonna restore everything. I said, well, I understand that. Jehovah's Witnesses.  

Mhmm. Now wait a minute. Wait a minute. The Bible says only a 144,000   get into the kingdom.   So if there's nine and a half million,   Jehovah's Witnesses,   what happens to all the rest?   Yep. I don't know. I didn't bring that down, but I wish you'd been there. You could have acted as the accountant for communication. Oh, boy. Been fun. Yeah. Yeah. He he he would have been a nice cop. I would have been a bad cop. Yeah. We would have had real fun. No. No, ladies. You're not gonna get away that easy.   Put the cops on them.   Do you remember that line in the in the,   what was that now?  

Oh,   Dire Straits LP,   which is,   two men say they're Jesus. One of them must be wrong.   Yeah. Right. Dire Straits. Yeah. What what is it there? Yeah. Two men say they're Jesus. One of them must be wrong. And the trouble with our father Jehovah's Witness is is is that,   I don't wanna sound rude to them, but it is a cult because they they don't   open their brains to believe it. And I find it a bit creepy, actually. They're the nicest people you could ever wish to meet, but I find it extremely creepy. Me too. I I know exactly what you mean. There's that   sense. I'm completely aware of it. I'm totally aware of that, Eric. And you I know you are too as it's going on. But I'm thinking, what's the point? What's the point of me remonstrating with them? It would have achieved nothing. I mean, I've actually worn them out on the doorstep. I've worn them out on the doorstep. I've had them knock on the door and they go, have you seen this bit in the Bible? And they go, which Bible are you reading? I said, I've got eight in the house. Which one do you want me to go get? They've got eight. I'm going, yes.  

Why have you got eight? And she asked me this as well. I said, because they're all slightly wonky.   They're all slightly Because seven of them are wrong. Yeah.   That's right. I said, they're wonky. I said, you've got to, I said, this is a challenge. Right? They've it's been interfered Right. As a text for at least two thousand years, and possibly longer than that.   Oh, man. The challenge to all of us is, is it possible to read it and understand what it specifically is saying? And it does operate.   Right.   It does operate on several levels. It operates on the pragmatic level. And all I was trying to get accustomed, I said, look,   this is a book of law and someone's just asked me, said Paul didn't finish the bit about the testament. So let me just made in Cornwall. So let me just sort of address that.  

The so testament   comes from this Greek word diatheke   and and a diaphyche and you can go and check a book called Strong's Concordance. We've gone all very learned here right now, but this is appropriate.   We'll tell you that a diaphyche is a contract. That's what it is. It's a contract.   And as Nour Davis expresses it No. It's a it's   okay.   Well, it is. As Nord Davis expresses it, he said a contract, which is a great way to do it, is it's a formal agreement between two or more parties to do and or refrain from doing whatever is itemized and detailed in the terms of the contract.   And, when you think about your life,   you are forming informal contracts   all the time. I'll see you at the so and so at 03:00. Oh, it's like a trust. Right? They're similar sorts of things. It's an agreement   where you say, I'm gonna be honorable. I said I'd meet you at 03:00. You're five minutes late. I'm sorry. And we forgive one of them at all. Right. You got nobody writes you a whole day. You make a date. You make a date with a nice lady Yeah. And then you don't show up. That's right.  

And she and she gets mad. Mhmm. Why did you not show up, you so and so?   I don't make any dates with Lady Eli these days.   Thursdays are long gone. But, Yeah. Neither do I. Yeah. Good. I'm glad to hear it. And, it's Yeah. This saves me a lot of time.   Good. I'm pleased about that. For good for that. Yeah. You know, I was trying to make this I did make this point with them. So that that it's very, very simple sort of proposition, but the implications are considerable. As Nour Davis expresses.   They are enormous, these the the implications of this word.   Because churches, organized religions, have may have talked like this about it in the early days. I don't fully know. All I know is for the last few hundred years, the whole thing has gone completely out of whack. Now they were really interesting when we were talking about   the structures of organized priesthoods. We were pretty much   in alignment with all of this kind of stuff. I mean, I just wanted to know really where their thinking was. And I said look the the main problem as I see or one of them there's loads   one of them is that you know priesthoods that organize a religion around this document which is really what's happened. I said first of all it seems to me that they're ignoring what Christ instructed which is he didn't leave any instructions   for an organised priesthood. Not that I can find. He just basically I said what we're doing here, the three of us talking,   is exactly what the instructions he left for us to do. Isn't that right? You know, these are the terms of the contract that you meet and you talk. You have an ekklesia, it's a big word, to basically get together. It's what this radio show is right now at this moment in time because we're specifically addressing this stuff.  

And, that's right. And they were they said, yeah they understood everything about priesthoods going wonky and all that kind of stuff and I said I said it's not that they start off with bad intentions, it's just that if we look at all human organizations, just like we were talking about the bureaucracy over here,   You start off there's an actual need for it but as the thing matures it becomes a servant to its own self. It becomes its own   self fulfilling prophecy because we must maintain this structure going, yeah, but you're not actually teaching the truth anymore. You're just keeping the structure going. I I think, you know, the decay sets in and it seems to be,   you know, I mentioned I said there's over 2,000 varieties of Christianity supposedly. So what does that mean? I said it just sounds bonkers to me, you know. And,   Yeah. It was good. It was a good it was Yeah. Well, I mean, the the there was a contract at Mount Sinai in the Old Testament Mhmm. Between Yahweh and the the the 12 tribes of Israel.  

Mhmm. And they said, we will obey your law.   Yep.   Okay? Mhmm. So why haven't we?   Right?   Jehovah's Witnesses, do they obey his law?   Well, technically, most Jehovah   if they're white, they would be a party to the contract,   but even they don't obey his law.   Yep. Okay? That was the first contract,   right, at Mount Sinai. Well, it was never   conveyed that way to Christians. Never. No. Okay? No. And, of course, they did they did bring up that little phrase, the human race. And I said, I don't know what you're talking   about. This I said, what? They said, the human race. I said, I don't know what that means. And so they told me I said, there's no such thing.  

I said, it's a it's a contradict you can't have that. There's no such thing racist.   Yeah. I said Right. I don't know what I don't know what you people talk about with race. I said, but I said in sort of layman's terms, I look out into the world and I see that they exist.   And they go, yeah. I said, so they're different. Right? Yeah.   Yeah. And then they said, but we're all the same because we've all studied this stuff. I said,   hang on just a minute. Okay. So then the next question is, so why are all all these non whites from other countries   slashing Brits up into pieces? I didn't go into that. That would make them cry. I didn't want to make them cry. It looked bad.  

Oh. Even though I'm not a young You would have. Yeah. I I'm considerably younger than both of them, and it would look like I was sort of verbally berating them in the public. I didn't wanna Oh, yeah. I mean, I could go, but they were not the audience to talk to in that way. I didn't want to do that. It didn't seem appropriate. Right? I mean, I just have to be Yeah. Okay. You're looking at the people you got in front of you going, how far can I go with this right now in this conversation? But,   it's useful. I mean, I suppose I'm using it to sort of sharpen up the way that I talk to different people about this. I think it's a very important issue. It was interesting as well. On Sunday,   when I did the bit with Rhea,   Rhea's guest on in the second hour is Katie Daly, and shout out to Katie if she's hearing this. And anyway, she does a great lot. And she'd been talking about certain things and she sent me a comment anyway afterwards   saying   that she really started to look at this now   in terms of it being the law. And I said, this is, you know, I said, this is fantastic. This is really good.  

You know, because she's just   seeking and this is all you can do. You do have to keep on inquiring about these things. But I use that phrase again. I said, this is the strong meat for men. It's not milk for babes.   And it's really true Yeah. To really get down to it that the there are laws and, you know, they use God's name so they call him Jehovah. Right? And I said, well, Yahweh. And they went, well, Jehovah. I said, I'm not gonna argue with you. I'm not reasonably sure. Right? That Right. You know, when I was Jay until the sixteenth century. I mentioned that too. But I might as well have been talking to a I might as well have been talking to a To a wall.   To a spiritual wall. Yeah. Yeah. Well, here, I I've got a I had a similar experience with,   when I was, coming back from Vietnam, I had a store at a store a job at a hardware store.  

And, one of the employees   behind the counter,   was a black guy,   who was a Jehovah's witnesses.   And we would talk a bible every so often, not a whole lot. It's hard hard to talk about the bible when you're working at a hardware store. Yep. But he was the most perfect gentleman I ever met. Mhmm. Even even more so than most of the white people I know. Okay?   And he was very kind, considerate,   but I think Eric is right   that he there's an attitude   Is it smugness?   Would smugness be the correct word? It's close to it.   Yes. Yes. I'd say so. Okay. Very Okay. Very sort of, Yeah. Well, it's self righteous. They won't listen. Yeah. Self righteous. They're not they're not really interested in anything that that that you That that they're all already believe in. Yeah. They know everything in other words. They they know that's it. They they don't want to know.  

And,   I mean, I was gonna give one a fuck, Bob, but I thought about it. Not you know? Because,   it it's in the right place. You know? But, you know, it that that they're sort of just not interested in   Right. Anything but Jehovah's   Yeah. Jehovah's Twitter. World of their own.   They're in a world of their own. Well, they are. There's no They are. Yeah. I mean, it's it's not such a bad world in comparison to everybody else, but you're right, Eric. This   I mean, it's a you know, I guess all of us have behaved that way when we were younger. I know this. I'm right. I'm not listening to you. You don't know what you're talking about. Right?   And, it's not a sign of intelligence, really. You think it is when you're younger, but it isn't.  

And I was you know, one of the things I'm banging about here and I talk to my lads about is that really, in terms of people's attitude towards everything,   you you really need to keep, figuratively speaking, the question mark in the front of your head at all times.   You know, there's no point in the back.   Yeah. Everywhere. You just go hang on. Just a minute. Can I ask a question about this? And if you ask it in a in a civilized way Nice way. You've you've got a better chance of actually   maybe doing things. But I agree with you. I that what you've described is pretty much the sort of they were better than most. They were better than the guys that have knocked on my door. They at least appeared to be listening to what I was saying, which of course kept me happy, I suppose, even though I thought sneakily they might not be. They were just handling me. That's okay too. Right? This is you don't know. I've the people I've never bumped into in my life were just talking spontaneously   and I valued that to be quite honest. And they said to me, they said, you know, we don't meet many people that ask questions. I said, well, that's sad. Isn't it really? Right. I said, yeah. I said, look at all these people. I said, they've they've been given life. It's an amazing thing. We're in a lot of trouble in this country and not enough people   are questioning it. I said, and this is the most important thing. Even if the answers that they get to their questions are incorrect on day one, don't stop. That's the key. Keep Right. Doing it because that willingness to participate   is key. Inspires others others around you, I think. I think it's a very important thing. Mhmm. I I think it's a form of immaturity though. Sorry. I didn't mean to chime in. No. No. No. I think it's it's it's a form of immaturity in a way because when we were very young,   everything   our parents said was correct. So if anybody says anything that's contrary to what your parents said, they were incorrect. Your parents are correct. And then you get a bit stroppy when you get to your teenage years and think, well, I'm perhaps they're not also correct Yeah. And everything. And that is part My parents aren't right about anything.  

That's right. Because   a a a young child, that's right,   can only see   that's right. And and I mean, the young child can only see what's directly in front of them because they have no wisdom.   And that's why Just a certain a child that is overweight   or has got a slight   temperament or anything like that,   they will go for that child like bees in a beehive or wasps in a wasp nest. Now I actually believe that these showbiz witnesses and the cults like that,   they are looking for a parental figure.   And they're looking for a substitute   mother and father   to lead them through their lives.  

And Yeah. Yeah. I'd I mean, this I know it sounds a bit repetitive. Great. In part partly, their mind has not matured.   I think in many ways, it hasn't matured enough. Yeah. Because Well, what still. Paul   yeah. When you started talking about these two old ladies   Mhmm. I immediately,   flashed on Arsenic and Old Lace.   Have you ever seen that movie? Yeah. It's brilliant. Arsenic and Old Lace? Brilliant movie. Yeah. Where the two of where where the two old ladies,   you know, are are so sympathetic.   They they invite these lonely old men who are just very unhappy,   right, into their confines.  

And this oh, he's so unhappy.   Should should we get him into the kingdom and feed him some arsenic with with the wine? Right? It's it's so ours arsenic in all ways. So but they they determined these men are so lonely that they're ready to go go to heaven.   And so they   They help them. Grease the skid, so to speak. And it's yeah. Help them. Right? And the the two women who played, the the two old ladies   were so absolutely   fantastic.   Oh, so happy that he's going to heaven tonight.   And they have all these bodies buried in the basement,   you know, like,   who was the the guy   in in Chicago? He played the he was a a a clown. He dressed up as a clown and and murdered little boys. Right? And he buried them in the basement. Okay? Mhmm. But at least those two old ladies did it with a smile on their face, and they thought they were doing the right thing.  

Are you you you've sparked are you suggesting, Eli, that because I've been slightly   feeling slightly under the weather today that they loaded the mint that I that they gave me.   Maybe   maybe   I they gave me a load of You are   a you are a bit gabby today.   Dear me. That was the first thing that crossed my mind.   They loaded the mints.   The and they've destroyed   me. Oh, no. Never never take mints, everybody, from old ladies on street corners.   I've learned that. I hope I hope I've got a chance to learn it, and then they haven't done me in with the mint.   Yeah. Especially   if they're oozing with arsenic.  

Well, I didn't ask them that. It seemed impolite. Be be be rude. Yeah. Right. You're not poisoning me. Yeah. You're It seemed like the right thing to say, Eli, at the time.   Yeah.   But, it it brings up a major question about Christianity and virtually all religions, actually.   How do you overcome   your, indoctrination   Mhmm. And, come to the truth? That's really what the Bible is all about, overcoming indoctrination.   That's what Eve you know, she was indoctrinated by Nakash, and he said to her, you shall not surely die.   Mhmm. Oh, yeah? Oh, okay.  

And she believed it. Right?   And she took the poison. That that's what that poison apple is all about.   You know? And virtually all of the,   certainly the German,   you know, stories,   Hansel and Gretel and all the all those, they're about they're they're they're parables about the Bible. You know? Don't fool around with these witches.   Right? Yep. Don't get caught off guard.   Don't get caught off guard. You have to know the law and and and act accordingly. Right?   So, the here, if there's a Westminster confession,   if you run into these ladies again by the way, maybe offer them some real mint.  

Okay? From, but from a German from a German chocolatier.   Yes. And, offer them the paragraph nine of the Westminster confession,   which is very, very succinct.   And it says,   the only way you can tell whether a verse, a particular verse, whatever Bible they use,   is authentic   is if there's a problem, you have to consult   the original Hebrew   and the original Greek.   Translations   are always problematic.   Okay? So if you can suggest to them that, well, your version of this verse is incorrect   and then quote them the Westminster Confession and tell them, okay. Here's the Greek word. Here's the Hebrew word. Here's what these words mean. This verse has been incorrectly translated.   Oh, really? Mhmm. Maybe they'll get it. Well, for for for example is Apollumi.  

Very, very famous verse, I come not but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.   Okay.   Eric and Paul, all all all you guys, what would you how would you react   to the word lost? What do you think the word lost means in that verse?   And I know you know, Paul, maybe maybe Eric and Paul I do know. I won't I won't spoil your party. It'd be wrong. Yeah.   Yeah. Would you mean sorry. Did you say do you mean l o s t or l u s t?   Well,   your your mind is on well, never mind.   The big hits.   Oh, big hits. Yes. Yes.   Well, we is it Okay. Well, there's a a lust for glory. There was a there was a film No. No. No. L o s t.   Lost.  

That's where I am. Getting.   Lost. Alright.   That that's where I am most of the time, actually. Right. So,   we're all lost in many ways.   Yes. Right. That's why most of our our most of the time. Okay?   Yeah. So okay. So lost, like the lost and found.   Right? Yeah. Something got lost, and I'm looking for it. Okay.   Paul, the American Paul.   What would what's your first impression of the word lost in that verse?   What did you think it means?   Behind. Left behind.   Okay. Well, yeah, you could get lost by being left behind. Yeah. No no doubt. Left left behind.   Yeah. That that's what happens to the people who get saved. They're the ones who are left behind, not not the ones who get taken up into outer space. Okay? So that brings up the rapture, but the word lost is Greek   for exiled   to be put away in punishment.  

It   it means nothing like what the average person actually   yeah.   So it's only a reference to the Israelites because only Israelites   were put away in punishment. So there is your covenant   contract.   They broke the contract,   so they got exiled for breaking the contract.   Yeah. Okay? Mhmm. So once you learn what these words mean, then you get understanding.   But the way the Christianity works in the world today, you can't get understanding   because you don't know what the words mean. They've been horribly translated   horribly translated.  

And, you know, like, the the passage where,   Nicodemus confronts Jesus and he says, you know,   did you say you have to be born again?   Born again.   No. No. No. No. No. I   I I didn't say born again. You misunderstood me. I said born from above.   You have to be born from above. I didn't say born again. Yet, invariably,   the churches teach born again instead of born from above.   Okay? It was, misunderstanding, and now it's a deliberate   mistranslation.   So the there's nuances   that you get through into in the New Testament, it's full of these mistranslations   deliberately mistranslations.  

And unless you know what the true translation is, it's hard to explain it to anybody. Okay? And that's deliberate. Okay?   That's that's the way the Bible has been translated by the King James people   and, and Jews and because the Jews have their own version of the New Testament, which is just as bad as the King James. So you really have to have a concordance by your bedside.   Right?   Have you got one, Eric? Great.   Of course. Of course. Yeah.   Yeah. Yeah.   I think it's interesting in even when you use, like, when you use the word concordance. Right? It's a big word.   And Yeah. Right. It's a it's a barrier to learning. It it just is. I I I suspect that's what's going on with people going, oh, I've got to study this stuff. Well,   it's worth it once you've got the yet. Once there's something's bitten you   in terms of a field of inquiry. I mean we inquire into everything else, do we not? We certainly do here. But all of them tap into this sort of first field of inquiry and of course what you're saying, Eli, is absolutely true because so many   factions of so called Christianity have been built off of   one or two words being completely misunderstood   and an entire sort of new world view is created on the basis of that. So when you talk about born again Christians, I imagine everybody's toes just curled up as they rightly should.  

It's a worry. Yeah. You you feel as though you're dealing with an instant   issue. Too. Yeah. Someone who's gone completely   sort of right up to the point of understanding it and then just veered off like a maniac and gone out into some sort of what you talking? Yeah. And it's worrying. Yeah. It is because people get infused with all this energy. Like, they they say they're talking in tongues and all this other words, and you're going, will you just calm down? Oh, I mean, yeah. I often say to people, look, this   is a book of law. It's an engineering document, actually. It's it's really what it is. It's okay. It's about how you behave and but you're you've misread it. So I understand why you're behaving like a nut job, but I can't be around this stuff. I mean There there has to be a new word. There has to be a new word   to describe what we're talking about, like, in these two old ladies, the two old ladies from Arsenic and Old Lady,   they're they're have they they have   a tremendously   they're they're good people. They're happy people,   but yet they're deluded.  

You know? And it's a kind of delirium   in which they're so happy   that they never will understand that they're they're making serious mistakes.   Right? So it's like they're in an asylum,   a mental asylum   that they can't break out of because the walls, the mental walls are so   tight that their toes curl up.   Well, well, when you think about And they don't know that.   They when you so sorry. I'm just choking to death that you're on a mitt. Bless you. Bless you. I shouldn't have taken all those mitts from that. Exactly.   If you think about, you know, people's attendance in congregations and things,   they're very comforting.  

I'm looking at it from a positive point. I know that people go there   for the company, the fellowship of other people. They're very comforting. And if the group agreement is along these mistaken lines that we're addressing, it don't matter what variation of it is. People get absorbed into that mistake and just take it on board and don't question it because the the spaces should really be a space of questioning   and, allowing everybody to talk. This is why I've always got a problem with priests.   Look, I don't want you to do all the talking.   Can I do a bit? Can I ask you some questions? Because I'm absolutely stuck on this bit. And it's that. It's that lack of real just genuine group talk. At least we're getting it going here. Good questions coming actually by the way. Oh, an interesting one, Eli, which I'm gonna send to you on the chat. This is from Alice Gorgeous. Hi, Alice.  

She says, does the old testament tell us to do away with non believers?   Does it tell us to do away with non   believers? No.   No. That's that's Islam   and Judaism. It is.   Yes. It's a bit. It is. It is. It is. It is. No. No. No. But, you know, the Catholic church went across the world slicing up, of Amerindians   until they behaved themselves. Right?   That's called conversion by the sword. That is not promoted by the Bible, nor did Jesus Christ ever well, but, however,   when we're attacked,   we have to defend ourselves. Otherwise,   our   our movement is our race can be destroyed. Just like King Alfred the Great said to those pesky   Vikings, alright. If you guys don't straighten up, we'll we'll just cut you to pieces.  

And, and the viking said,   oh, really?   Oh, and they converted.   Okay? They did. So they they lived among the English   name. I forgot. I don't know the name of the final battle, but, I mean, this must have been quite amazing. So he defeats them.   They're captured. Yeah. And then he invites them. He doesn't then torture them or treat them badly or anything. He says stop. We want to go to the campground.   To a pancake breakfast   with syrup. He did. And apples. Invited them in and they thought this is such a no. Because it taps into the what we now call chivalry.   And,   which is a part of honor. All of these things, these are qualities that are an inherent part   of the good aspects of scriptural knowledge as it were. But they are they are born out of this.  

They're born out of this. But when people, of course, are clueless about what the law is and they end up breaking it through ignorance or having ignored it, you know. So Oh, let me just qualify, you know, the question because there's so many   Judeo Christians and regular Christians who don't understand the Old Testament.   You know, when Yahweh sent the Israelites in to destroy the Canaanites,   that was those were very specific people because they were the progeny   of Cain.   Mhmm. And in the Old Testament,   Abel's blood cries out from the grave for vengeance   for Cain's murder of of Abel. Right? And so then there's a prophecy of Genesis three fifteen. It says, I declare enmity between these two bloodlines   until I return and straighten this mess out. Okay? And so the Canaanites were offspring of the fallen angels   in Genesis chapter six,   vis a vis all the giants that were living in Canaan land. And they were such an awful evil people that they were deemed by Yahweh to be irredeemable.  

Yep. Irredeemable.   Okay? Mhmm. And Paul   Paul confirms this in the New Testament   where he says, these Edomites   are vessels fit for destruction.   Okay?   But we're only talking about one particular group of people that came from Cain down through the Canaanite down through the Edomites, which we today know as Jews.   Well, so we're defending ourselves. Yeah. I mean, we might lose all our channels tonight, Eli, but don't worry about it.   It's, it's fine. I think, I mean, I I mentioned this Uh-huh. When I was talking to these, people who were trying to poison me, let's call them that now. When I was speaking I was speaking old lace the other day. Poison apple? Yeah. Well, I brought this up. I did bring this aspect up. I said, look, you know, obviously, it's it's pretty heavy, the Old Testament. And I've had this from people that go, oh, it's a terrible book. I mean, what do you mean? Well, it's just all that death and brutality. I said, yeah. Yeah. It's really it is it's rough. One of the things that they did, I said, you know, when we were talking about the times that we live in right now and I mentioned this here before,   not that I know whether anybody's necessarily gone off and read it, but the book of Jeremiah is pretty heavy.  

It's as heavy as these times. It's it's absolutely   Yes. It's very very bad.   And, I think, we had an exchange, didn't we Eric? A few weeks ago, we were talking about a phrase. My dad used to use it. Oh, he's like an old Jeremiah,   which meant someone was banging on and banging on and banging on. And that really is the story. Boring the hell out of people. Driving them crazy going on and on like we do. Hang on. I've got to pin you down and you're like those guys that you meet at parties that won't let you go because they want to tell you about their new curtains and things. You just go, oh my god. I've got to get away from this.   So it is a I mean, I know if you have it in The States but it's a common phrase over here that I grew up with from the lips of my dad and my uncles. They would, you know, if someone was really banging on and boring everybody to tears, they could he's like a bloody he's like an old Jeremiah just banging on about things all day long. You had that, didn't you, Eric? Yeah. Yes. Yeah. We had that. Yes. Yes. And, was it a Joe's Comforter? That was another one. Always a right Joe's Comforter. It's like a bloke who,   a bloke who's dying in bed, and I said, look. Whatever you do,   don't mention anything about death. You know, he's very close to it. So as he walked in, he accidentally bashes his head on the top of the, door head. He goes bloody hell. He said they're not gonna get a coffin out of this place. Oops. Sorry. That is a Joe's Comforter, you know.  

Right.   But I have a question.   Can I have that drink in a coffin, please? Paul, just hold that question for a second because,   we'll bring you in after the sun. We're we're coming up to the end of our time slot here on WBN.   So well, we're at fifty seven minutes, but I'm just gonna wind up now because I've got a little song to play in the in the interim which sort of taps into some of the things you've been talking about guys. Yeah. And I'd and I'd also, Paul, I'd like to answer the question that you sent me in the chat on, on Teams.   Okay. Because I think it's very important for the lady. Okay? Alright. Okay. But maybe not on air. Let's just okay. What whatever. Okay. Yeah. I don't think so because she's not I think she probably wanted to talk to you directly. But,   anyway, we've listened to Paul That could be arranged. You've been listening to Paul English live here on WBN for the last couple of hours. We hope. We trust. We believe.  

We'll be back again at the same time here on WBN next week, 3PM US Eastern, 8PM in The UK. We're gonna carry on with the show over on Rumble and YouTube and a few other stations.   You can find all the links to the continued show over at paulenglishlive.com.   So if you want to carry on listening, please come over and join us. Lots of activity going on in the chat rooms. I'm gonna play a song here from Katherine Ashcroft   and Morris Dickenson,   called In Your Blood.   How about that? This is one of these sort of things with a bit of chanting from a live audience as well. So it runs for about four minutes. We'll join you after this one. Thanks for listening on WBN and for everybody else, the show goes on. We'll see you in a few minutes time.   Beautiful.  

Do you like the sound of the ocean?   Do you like the roar of a river and fill flood?   Do you like the feeling of the wind on your back? Is it in your blood?   In your blood,   in your blood,   yes, in your blood.   Don't you love the pipes as they call through the earth? Are they in your blood?   In your blood?   In your blood? In your blood?   The silver of the moon, she holds me.   The sound of the sea, she calls me.   But the voices of the wind, they didn't warn me that they're in my blood. You're in my blood.   In my blood,   you're in my blood.   You know you want to.  

Do you like the sight   And I would love to fly with her if I only had the wings. She's in my blood,   yes, in my blood.   In my blood,   yes, in my   In your blood, it's in your blood.   In your blood,   it's in your blood.   In your blood, it's in your   blood. In your blood,   it's in your blood.   We hope you had a good time.   We'd like to say good night.   On the pipes,   Catherine Ashcroft.   On the pipes, Catherine Ashcroft. That was In Your Blood, by Catherine Ashcroft and, Morris Dixon Dickinson. And,   I love that stuff. Anyway, so there you go. We hope they had a good time.   I think they did have a good time. I hope you're all singing along.  

The Eulian pipes. They made that Oh. Epic. That wasn't Jethro Tull?   It wasn't Jethro Tull.   No. It wasn't. Oh, okay. It wasn't. Absolutely not. No.   Oh, Ian Anderson is is is commonly known, isn't it? Jethro Tull. That's a full name, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Amen.   Yes. Why aren't there any Jews named Jethro?   I don't know. I don't know. Why?   Because they're not Israelites.   Okay. I had to slip through it. Actually, Eli, I just wanna before I just bring Paul in because I know he's got a a question. He's just about to say something. Just to promote your show, that track was called In Your Blood.   And your show Yeah. Your main show, your flagship show is Bloodlines, which runs every Sunday   at,   what is it, 3PM in The UK No. Yeah. 9AM   central, 10AM eastern.  

So we can although we're gonna go out slightly out of whack when the clock change in a little while, but you'll still be going at that time, but it's okay. It's whatever. Yeah. But yes. So if you wanna catch more of Eli every week, he's on Radio Soapbox,   and Eurofoot radio and elsewhere every Sunday 3PM to 04:30PM,   often accompanied by Michael Swede. And I love the way Michael speaks English and I mean that. I just it's the way that as a Swede, he's he pronounces things, almost like makes them mean different things. It's wonderful. I love it. It's really good. So if you're into this song and you wanna keep studying, Eli's show on a Sunday is a good show for you to tune into. 3PM on Radio Soapbox. Amen. Yeah. Amen. Cool. But I think I finally I answered my own question,   or I said, we need to have an expression for   people who saw are so nice, but yet,   not really here. Right? They're not really here. And, I think Starmer box. What I came up with what?  

What? Starbucks?   Starmer box. No. Starmer box. But he's not nice. No. What Star Or   What about Right. People   or people What about them? They're here to be nice.   But if you could hear them after that,   you'd hear them say I'll get you my pretty and your little dog too.   Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the idea I came up with is sickeningly nice.   Sickeningly nice. I know we got one called sickeningly sweet, but that terminology can be applied to people,   to,   like, what do you call it?   What   what's the word?   The the, sweetener the the fake sweetener.   I think that would be too. But the word that springs to mind   the word that springs to mind that we use over here that I think Eric will be, you might have it too, is smarmy.  

Smarmy. Smarmy?   Smarmy. But they're nicer than they're known   As bottom lickers. But they're   Ass kids. Well, yes. Yes. Well, the smarmie always sucking up to toadies, we call them. They're sucking up to teacher and everything. And they're always incredibly Yeah. You know, they're revoltingly   thankful for things. And it's just completely insincere. They're not, these people weren't that bad. They weren't smart me, but they were a bit Right. No. They weren't. No. They weren't that bad. They weren't brown. Sickeningly nice. No. They weren't that bad. Either.   We have ladies Sickeningly nice. We have ladies that have, multicolored hair and piercings, things like that. And I call them members of the low IQ pride movement.  

They're they're they're they're they're showing that people with a low IQ can can get somewhere in life, you know, the low IQ pride. Yeah. So I don't   know. Well, they you know, you see them on marches and things like that. I think they have to be taken there because they get lost otherwise. But so I look on left, it says low IQ pride. That Oh, for sure. Low IQ.   Yeah. Well, they're not nice. They're not nice people. Oh, they're not No. They these latest Whoopi Goldberg.   What was that? Oh, yeah. Goldberg line.   Oh, look. A tropical fish and its mate.  

Are you talking about the Whoopi Goldberg on Star Trek?   Talk about a sickeningly nice   sickeningly nice psychologist. No.   The Whoopi Goldberg   on jumping jack flash, the movie.   Oh, oh, oh, I think She comes across somebody with multicolored hair on the street. I love everyone. I know. Oh, look. A tropical fish and its mate.   Yeah.   Yeah. But these people aren't sarcastic. They're not being   yeah. They're not being sarcastic.   But, I was reminded of the two old ladies in Arsenic and Old Ways. But, yeah, I just wanna mention that, Cary Grant, or Archibald Leech   was fantastic in that movie   because his role well, he thought he was he had the blood   of, his two aunties, her aunties,   and, at the climax at the movie and who is the American   blonde who played the girlfriend?  

And he's debating whether he should marry her   because he thinks he's part of that bloodline,   and he doesn't want her children to be crazy.   Right? Wacko.   Jail bait for,   the Wacko Farm. Right? And then during the conversation, he real oh, you were adopted.   What?   Adopted?   Oh my goodness. That's the best news I ever heard in my life. Oh, I can get married now and I won't have sick babies.   This is kinda where we're at. Yep. I mean, looking it up, Eli, I was looking the film up. One of the reasons probably why it's so good   is that it's directed by Frank Capra who went on to do it's a wonderful movie a few years after that.  

I mean, it's a brilliant I now that you've mentioned it, I'm gonna go and watch it probably tomorrow or something or over the weekend. I love these old productions. It's so fantastic.   Yeah. It's a brilliant film. It really is brilliant. And,   so there there is one Yeah. Yeah.   That's interesting. Okay. So,   American Paul was gonna say something,   before I interjected that   question or something. But I do wanna address the, lady's question and not necessarily,   her particular circumstances,   but, you know, it's something that all Christians need to know.   And probably the Jehovah's Witnesses don't know it even though they they supposedly follow Jehovah.  

Mhmm. Okay? And,   it's, Psalm 27. Whenever you're in a very serious situation, it just   you just can't seem to get out of it. You know, like, you're losing all your money, you're losing your home, all of this stuff.   And, and Psalm 27 just nails it. It's very short,   and I'll just read the whole thing. Psalm 27 verse one,   a Psalm of David. Yeah. And I use the name Yahweh because,   Exodus three fourteen and fifteen tells us his name is I am that I am, and that is my name forever, and then it translates to Yahweh.   That's the way it's pronounced   by in Hebrew, actually. Okay. And Yahweh is my light and my salvation, and whom I shall whom shall I fear?  

Alright. So if you trust in the Lord as most Christians put it, and but the only way you can really be in his favor is to obey his laws.   And because Christians aren't obeying his laws, they're in this happy, lucky,   twin anti   phase of life where they think everything is just hokey dory and it's not, and it's gonna bite you in the ass one of these days.   Yahweh is the strength of my life.   Of whom shall I be afraid?   When the wicked,   my even my enemies and my foes came upon me to eat me up, eat up my flesh, they stumbled and fell. Alright? If you obey his law,   they can't touch you.  

Though an host should encamped against me, my heart shall not fear. Though war should rise against me, in this will I be confident.   One thing have I desired of Yahweh that I will I seek after that I may dwell in the house of Yahweh all the days of my life to behold the beauty of Yahweh and to inquire   in his temple. So you gotta fixate your consciousness   on your creator.   For in the time of trouble, he shall hide me in his pavilion.   In the secret of his tabernacle shall he hide me. He shall set me up upon a rock. And now   shall mine head be lifted up above mine enemies.  

Round about me, therefore, will I offer in his tabernacle.   Sacrifices of joy, I will sing. Yeah. I will sing praises unto Yahweh and for deliverance, of course. Here, oh, Yahweh, when I cry with my voice, have mercy also upon me and answer me. When thou said seek ye my face, my heart said unto thee, thy face, oh, Yahweh, will I seek.   Hide not thy face far from me. Put not thy servant away in anger. Thou has been my help my help.   Leave me not, neither forsake me, oh, god of my salvation.   When my father and my mother forsake me, then Yahweh will take me up. Teach me thy way, oh Yahweh, and lead me in a plain path, etcetera, etcetera. You can finish that, you know, on your own. Psalm 27.   If you find yourself   in serious trouble and don't know what to do, pick up Psalm 27 and read it. What I've done,   I just type it out and post it on my refrigerator door. Okay?  

Okay. That's that's the power   of the Psalms of David.   But, you still,   he Yahweh does not hear the prayer of a sinner. So   whatever is going wrong, you have to correct your your end of it. Okay?   So, for example, in a marriage situation, it's usually a two way street.   Okay? It's usually a two way street, and you have to do everything you can to show love to your partner even though you're disagreeing mightily on this and that. Okay?   And,   etcetera. Okay. So I just wanted to get that out there. No. That's a good it's a good one. I the the Psalms, if you get past the word because I think when people hear that word,   this is my this is me. Right? This is how I always used to respond to that word. Used to make me think of cold, drafty churches and some vicar boring me to death about something that he never set a context for. And me looking at all these pasty face clap happy sort of people. And it makes me there's a part of me, the old part of me would shudder on it. But in terms of it simply being   an intelligent,   almost prose   poem, they are immensely powerful. And I sometimes just flick through it   and just see which one comes up and read them. They're it's very almost like as at right here. Let's just open the page. Let's see what comes up.  

It's nearly there's nearly always something compellingly valuable in it. And I think it's, you know, again, I'm I mean, although this is moving into a more sort of serious area with the whole thing,   we understand intellectually that we die. But when you get   it, when you know it,   and this doesn't occur to you when you're young, and it probably shouldn't. Not if your life is a buoyant one and you're being productive and making all your errors, which you're subsequently hopefully gonna learn from, which is basically what I think all the process is about.   It's not in the forefront of mind, but when as you get older, I just realized I talked to someone the other day and I said well, here I am in my mid sixties and I suppose many other people who are in their mid sixties must have lost people by now. They must have. Right. They must have lost them. Like one of the ladies that I was with yesterday,   she was off to see her mum who was 90 which is pretty good but she'd lost her husband when he was young. She'd lost her daughter at the age of daughter died at 30.  

Everybody's got   something in their everyone has got something in their life like a little cross, a burden, some sort of tragedy, we would call it, that they're carrying around. And it happens to everyone, it seems to me. And yet,   of course, the, those in power seem to be   impervious to this. It doesn't happen to them because they're so obsessed with their ideology and are completely I I think they're almost like in denial of this, which is what makes them so dangerous as well.   They don't have any respect for the fact that they've been created by something which they don't understand, and I think they hate that. I think they hate the idea   that they can't explain it all away with science because you can't. Okay. You can't. It's the wrong tool for them. Okay.  

Yeah. I finally came up with the correct terminology.   Oh. And as,   One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, I was thinking about that movie. Yeah.   Jovially   oblivious.   Jovially oblivious.   Well, they can't. Excellent. Yeah. That's a good one. Yeah. It is a good one.   What's your   feeling,   Eli, on demonic   possession?   People have been possessed by demons because I actually come up I've come up against this   where   somebody has got two personalities.   And they'll flip and they'll flip from one side to the next one   like Jekyll and Hyde. One minute and you're you're completely   stressed out trying to understand what's going on. It's front Well, here's what you do. You just tell that person to turn over.  

Alright?   You turn over, please.   Mhmm.   Too bad it's not that easy. That's jovially oblivious.   Yes.   There there's a lot of people like that in the insane asylum.   You know, the they have no no care in the world. They're just sort of floating around like the two aunties   in arsenic and old lace.   Okay? It's,   it's hard to believe. There are people like that.   Yeah. But the psychopaths that that I mean, the government, I believe, are psychopaths   because they do not Oh, yeah. Well They do not understand,   love. They don't understand   loss. And at funerals, they can't understand why people are crying.  

You know, that type of thing.   And Yeah. I mean, if you've read the book Puzzling People, I don't agree with everything in there.   But, there's quite a bit in there that's quite it's very truthful.   Yeah. And I think doctor Hare, who's a leading authority on this, has come, much from my personal view, very close to admitting that psychopaths are not human.   They are a Could be. Form of human.   They have demons. Yeah.   Well, I'm thinking demons.   Maybe. But what they do, they try and infect others   with their demon demon their demons are trying to look for recruits.   And this is what I found. Oh, yeah.  

Yeah. I think I think you're right, Neil. With all of that kind of stuff, it definitely takes place. You know, you've heard of Madame Blavatsky,   ISIS Unveiled Yes. The Secret Doctrine. Yes. A few years before she died, I was only I I haven't really I've got these books and I haven't read them, but I will at some point. I'm I mean to because they kind of augment things. Again, all this other stuff has to be read with a careful eye. In fact nearly everybody   all the intelligent people have put me onto these books say, you know,   question it as you go through and you find,   one of the one of the silly habits or one of the errors I used to make in the past maybe something you might recognize. You'd come across a new block of information. It could be about anything and you think, that's it. I know this. A few years go by and you start to see,   other views coming in and you go, oh, it wasn't exactly as accurate   I thought. I think nearly that there   probably has never been one book that has been wholly accurate.  

The Bible could be it, but as we've said it's been mangled so much that you've got to be very careful with how you read it. You need these sort of keywords.   But she I think a couple of years before she passed, she passed away in New York, I think it was in the eighteen nineties.   At one of these meetings where she is communicating with an ascended master or however they are described because   she's looking out onto the street in New York, I think it is, and they're looking down.   And inside every individual,   she sees like a glowing light.  

Like, I would say this is like the ember of God. This is this is the everybody's got this little ember inside. And part of being here is to fan that, to become wiser, to learn from your experience. We've it's the most amazing sort of,   thing that we've been given. It's it's extremely challenging as well, but it is an amazing thing to actually live through, to be given life and to be able to question things and to sort of do all this stuff. So the vast majority of the individuals that she saw   while she was accompanied by this spirit or this presence,   that they looked at had this light in them. But she noticed   that there were a small minority that did not.  

That had nothing in them at all. That was they were completely absent. And they they it goes on in the narrative to explain what we would really call psychopaths.   That these were individuals that had all the outward appearances of being human,   and that they were very good at mimicking   the behavior of what they considered to be the agreement within society.   But there was actually really nothing there. And there's a letter, I think, that she'd received from a woman in America,   who had read this and wrote to her, or it might have been someone I can talking about her husband. And she said, when I read this,   I I was struck.  

You know,   the impact on me was immense because I realized my husband who I've been with for twenty seven years is exactly the way that you've described this.   For some   reason, I cannot get close to him. There's something missing. Something seriously not there that should be there   and, he he doesn't connect with me in the right way. And they were going through all these attributes, these things like they don't laugh properly.   You know when you laugh uncontrollably   and you can't actually get on top of it and it's fantastic, when you get slightly hysterical and you really get a fit of the giggles,   can you ever think of psychopaths getting a fit of the giggles? You can't. They don't do that. No. They can't. They don't fall apart uncontrollably and lose complete control and just get the sheer   sort of, at times, the unbelievable joke of life because it is at times you've got to laugh about it. You know, we we study seriously, but every now and again, you go, oh, boy. This is so bonkers and out there. You kinda they don't get like that. They're always serious   all the time. They're never not Oh, yes. Serious. You're right. And I tell you what, I found the psychopath that came into my family,   when my uncles and that was all laughing around, having a right old laugh, he would go   as if it was painful.  

Absolutely. It's like it's like pain to him. Yep. And,   it because he didn't get it. He didn't   get it. It's not even here. It no. It was no it was it was literally you could see him go all cringing as if as if it's so painful that we're all laughing, and he couldn't   he didn't laugh. He couldn't get into that. That's what I meant. Yeah. Didn't mean he wouldn't get any jokes intellectually, but yes. Right. That's right. Yeah. And when they seem to be vacant, it's because the the demon is off to the side   while that person is still standing   off to the side. And then when you're not focusing on her, the demon comes back.  

And, also, he knew all the techniques. Like, for example, if he walked into the house,   he would remain standing and say, well, come and sit down. You look uncomfortable. I said, no. I no. I prefer to stand. And the reason why it put people on edge, and psychopaths Yeah. Feed   on stress.   They love stress.   So Yeah. Fear.   Yes. That's right. Fear, stress, anger. Yeah.   And,   quite honestly, it's horrendous.   This character married my sister and didn't change my sister from   and by. Yeah. Well, I wrote a book about it, and I didn't publish it because I   believe that people wouldn't believe it.  

You know, it's so incredible what happened. But I I Well, there is a possibility. I won't mind reading that, Eric, if you still got a copy.   If you think Well, I'm rewriting it. Alright. Okay. Well, that's alright. I'm rewriting it. And the reason why I'm rewriting it, and it's taking a time because I find that it gets to me, and I have to I'm writing two books at once, a comedy book   and this book. I have to go to the comedy book because I can only write in small   it's taking a hell of a long time. I can see that. Yeah. I can see that. Because,   it get it it gets me depressed, and it gets me into a horrendous mood because   it comes back. You have to relive it what went what happened. But it is quite something. It's it's something that unless you've been through it, it's very difficult to explain.  

But the what it was, it was a microcosm   of the way governments work.   Absolutely. By demons.   Right. Precisely. Exactly. What they what this character did, he set up suspicion   every to make Yes. Everybody suspicious of each other   and then started rumors and used my sister   as   a loudspeaker.   So Right. He would let her tell certain things. He tried to split my parents up.   He tried to destroy my life.   And unbelievable. It really is unbelievable.   And,   what would happen if you tell tackled him on something evil that he's made up about you? Oh, yeah. He would deny it. He would deny it and say, I don't know what you're talking about.   And also, I've noticed   Benjamin Netanyahu,   he has what I Oh, there you go. Oh, he's great. Clinical speech. And all psychopaths have clinical speech. And that is they pronounce   everything correctly   and look you in the face as if they are   absolute Yes. The the the the extreme of everything. And then behind your back,   when you've left, they'd say,   they've got this obsession about mental illness.  

And it's, like, well, you know, have you you've been are you a little ill in the mind? Because, you know, it's it's not not a thing to say about Right. You know. And all that absolute and twist everything round.   Twist and turn. Twist and turn. And the other one he put into my sister is she used to question what is normal. What's normal?   Yeah. And you think that Me.   What's normal? Right. And and and you think,   what is it? And   it was it was absolutely   a a microcosm of the way governments   It is, Eric. Yeah. It really is. It was a very, very true insight. It is. It's like Yeah. They live. The literacy of psychopaths. It really is. There's there's that book by that Polish guy called Lobojewski.   I can't forget his name. Obviously, I didn't. Lobojewski   Oh, yes. Called I know the one. Ponerology.  

And ponerology is Ponerology. Study of sister   systemic evil, organized evil Yes. Particularly as displayed through government.   It is a it's a form of systemic evil about all the conventions that they use. Yeah. They are.   And, you know, I actually my yeah. Sorry. Please finish. What sorry. I didn't mean to but what was I saying? When my sister was doing one of her flipping backwards and forwards   of two personalities,   he was standing there grinning in the corner.   Just grinning. Yeah. And say, hey. What's going on? What what what what's the joke? What do you find so funny? Don't bring me in that precise talk. Don't bring me into   it. It's to do with your family. Right? Yeah. And Yeah. And it's all And he started off on it. Correctly. He started it. Yeah. He started he started it. Yeah. And he's pretending to be standing off to the side. Yeah. And no. He he Well, there's a they act as as if they are the masters as if they are the only,   Israel does this. They say it was just the only democracy   in The Middle   East. Yeah. And they are the only   level minded person   in the situation.  

They they are the rock of of of,   honesty. They are the they are the,   you know, to look up to. And they're actually gaining strength from that. And when you left that situate   situation Yeah. It took you about three days to get over visiting them. That's how bad it was. Right. Yeah. It's a psychic vampires. They suck your energy. They were. Yes. They suck your energy.   There's a there's a fantastic book   called Eros on crutches,   and I'm trying to find a summary of it, but it is available online. Let me just,   while I'm looking for this.  

But, but, yeah, there's, there's these people who are are partially psychopathic,   but they they have the inability. They cannot feel love.   That's right. They have no no warmth or tenderness toward anybody, even themselves, obviously. Okay?   And that describes,   Netanyahu, Satan Yahoo as we like to call them. Yeah. Yeah. And and and when and when they I'm speaking of Jews in general, especially the liberal ones who are protesting   that they are, you know,   such good people,   they they for example, if they criticize Christians or make fun of us, they will say, oh, we're we're just being irreverent.   Okay. We have a right to be irreverent yet, don't we? But if if you're irreverent toward them,   all hell breaks loose. Right? You're a hater. You're a Nazi. You're this. You're that. Yeah. Mhmm. They can't take it. They can't take it. They dish it out, but they can't take it. I found that book, Eli, that I'm, certainly as a PDF. Eros on crutches on the nature of the psychopath by, great name, this, Adolph Guggenbule   Craig. Adolph Guggenbule   Craig. What what a name.  

Anybody named Arlf. Anybody named Arlf was good by the book.   Yeah. Yeah. Alright.   Looks good. It looks fast. Well, it's it. What does it say?   Well, I've just got it as a PDF. I'd have to read the I mean, that's I can't find a sort of a summary of it at the moment. But just I mean, tapping back in, there was something I forgot to mention as well in that Blavatsky,   thing that I was mentioning. Okay. When they talked about it more, she was asking, she said, how do these people come about?   Right?   How do they exist? What's going on? Right?   Because we operate I operate on the basis. You know, I've talked about this before. When when the baby is in the womb, the pineal gland gets to a certain size and when it functions, that's when the soul comes in and ignites. That's my word. Ignites the physical body.  

That's when you actually came down and that's when you kick in the womb. That's the first kick is when you're present,   you know, you're in the womb, but that's what happens. So this spirit guide says to Blavatsky,   he said it's to do with Atlantis.   And Uh-huh.   There are all sorts of stories about Atlantis, but the scientists   there were mucking about with life. Hello? Look at today. Yes. They were. They're   mucking about Right?   And they were keen to create a slave race. Hello?   Look at what's happening, bureaucratically.   Keen to create a slave race that they could give orders to that would just obey what they wanted to do and therefore was not were not imbued with a soul. They were looking to create some fleshly replica like the Frankenstein thing. This whole sort of Right. We're gonna create life even though we don't even understand what it is. And what he said was that when it went down, some of those along with some Atlanteans survived. I'm reese I I work on the basis that when Atlantis did go down,   these   the the brilliance of that civilization,   even though it got corrupted,   these are the people like Quetzalcoatl   that went to South America and Egypt. The pyramid stuff is is Atlantis transferred to the Middle East after this great calamity that happened.  

And,   he said, they survived. And these are the descendants of these   soulless   beings,   which Eric, unfortunately, had one in his life. And, certainly, I I mean, we could now we might want to look at politics. I've said this before, or the political   class   as really useful to us. Because it's a homing beacon, a magnet   for this dead person class. The people of death. They're not fully alive. Spot on.   And you could say, you know, like people said, well, the houses of parliament are full of 650   idiots. I go, yeah, but look how useful it is. It's drawn them all into one space and one place I'm never going to go or people I'm never going to interact with are those sorts of people. I don't want them in my life.   And it says this in scripture, if you're confronted with evil, get away from it. You can't deal with it. Oh, yes. Just get away from it and we can get That's what I to do. Right. Yeah. You have to get away from it. I agree. And Yes. I tell you something. If you have   a a psychopath present in your family, you will attract other psychopaths.  

Seriously. Uh-huh. Yep. Right. You will you will attract them because   there's something I don't know quite what it is is that they give out. But,   and you've just got to get you gotta get Nothing. You're fucking stuck in. Humanly possible. That's right. You gotta get as far away from them as humanly possible.   They are Oh, they'll give out meth and, cocaine   and heroin. Right? That's what they'll give out. Yeah. Pain.   Oh, crap. But they always blame somebody else. Yeah. Always blame somebody else. This is why I've got no time for any MPs, even ex MPs,   because why would they be attracted to that dung heap in the first place? Yes. Right. Yeah. And there's you know? Yeah. Do you think, you know, when,   when Christ is   on trial and he's in that confrontation scene, and he's addressing them and giving them   the greatest verbal lashing   that could ever be given to them. Is it could we not possibly guess that the crowd that he's lashing are exactly in that condition or have got an element of that aspect to their nature because   they literally have no kindness in them at all. It's just completely   off the charts.  

It's an evil. You just look yeah. This whole thing   is is really it's very very strange. Actually, with the just going back to the, arsenic and the old Lace people on the seafront. Oh, I wish I'd not had that mint.   The,   I mentioned about the Shroud Of Turin,   and I I don't know if you've seen this, Eli. Roger Sales, Paul knows Roger. We all know Roger really well, and Roger bullied me. That's not that's a bit heavy. He didn't. He pestered me a couple of times and said, you need to watch this interview between Tucker Carlson. Yes. I've got question marks about Tucker Carlson too. And this chap that has, it's about eight weeks ago. There's a couple of months back now. An hour and a half. It's extremely,   packed with information. It's you have to sort of stop it every day and to digest what he's saying. But he has analyzed that shroud and looked at the whole thing and I I brought this up with them and they said, oh, we don't really go in for that sort of stuff. I said, I completely understand. I said, I didn't either. I said, but I would recommend you view this. I think it will have   rather,   a dramatic effect on your thinking because he musters data about the physical nature of that shroud which is astonishing. I didn't know anything about this. Yeah. He also goes into the scientific cover up of releasing this information. The British Museum is, of course, involved because they can't let this stuff get out. Right. And how the shroud was not under the control of the Catholic Church until the nineteen eighties. It was in this family. I forgot the name of it. And they'd had it for over a thousand years.  

And when they first did the analysis when it came out,   they were told not to analyze the top left hand corner because it had a piece of replacement cloth that had been put on there in the fourteen hundreds, I think,   after the shroud had been in a castle that had been set on fire and there's smoke marks on it in parts of it. Right? And so,   some nuns or whatever had repaired this top corner of the shroud. What did they do in the nineteen eighties? Which bit of cloth did they analyze? The bit in the top left hand corner. And they said, oh, it's only 14 it comes from the fourteen hundreds. So it's not genuine. This is complete. And he goes into all of this and how it's been   mangled. I'm this is a completely different topic. We don't need to go into it. And and I'm sort of sissing with it, but it's a very compelling interview. And I think if you go into it with an open mind, you're gonna probably come out with a slightly different view, a con a very different view. He's excellent   in terms of in mustering all the scientific data. Like, one of the things that,   that really leaps out. They've analyzed the cloth and they found the pollen from something like 58 plants. So pollen is emitted during the spring, the time of the year when it the event took place.  

But the pollen from these 58 plants, these 58 plants are only found in that part of the world.   I mean it's remarkable stuff. There's tons of things like this and you go okay okay he just builds it up with evidence from a scientific point of view.   Also that science cannot recreate the markings on that,   on that linen at all.   And linen 2,000 years old, it's amazing stuff. Amazing.   Yeah. It's a very compelling   it's a very compelling presentation. Let me put it that way. You might not be convinced, but I think it'd be worth your while if you're interested. Very much so.   Tucker Carlson did an interview with a guy about the shroud, and he was amazed. Absolutely amazed.  

Yeah. That's what we're Yeah. And I agree.   It it is oh, okay.   The all this information is being suppressed.   You would think, wouldn't you, that the church is,   with all the scientific verification   that this is, in fact, the body of Jesus   being in a negative format   as his,   soul   passed through the shroud. It's only the upper layer that contains this negative, the inner per, you know, threads don't, which is really incredible.   Yeah. And all these kinds of things, And the churches are not promoting this at all. You think it would be something that would increase the faith of Christians?   It would. But it would would it not diminish the power of the church?  

That's what happened.   That's possible too. Right? But yeah. But you'd think that they would attract more followers and say, hey. Listen to this. Watch this. That this is proof that Jesus actually lived and rose from the dead. Yep. Oh, no. We we don't need that. We don't need that. I know it's a big ask. With our fairy tales. It's a massive ask for people and you get you see people debating all this and go yes and no. And I'd not really and they were saying, well, we don't really sort of look at it from that point of view. I said, look. For most of my life, I haven't either. I said, I only stumbled across this a few months. I've been I've had plenty to think about with regards to all this information   without that. I said, but I think   you should spend your time watching it. But it is it's an yeah. It's definitely worth watching from they they were saying what he said? He said science literally cannot recreate   markings of anything   like this on linen using anything at all Uh-huh. Because the temperature that they estimate was so high or so low   that if you if they were to do it the whole of the linen would just burst into flame. And it happened in some he says like something like a forty billionth of a second they've analyzed. Now I don't know where he gets this one. Yeah. And   I'm sure people listening are going blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. And you're right to do that. But if you want to spend a little time having your mind opened up a bit more, possibly, then it's definitely well worth an hour and a half of your time invested, I would I would suggest. I can think of some   I can think of some psychopaths who would not want this information to come out.  

Well, yeah.   Alright.   Okay. That's right. Yeah. But, but the the church world has become psychopathic too with all the the fluff and and fodder they put out instead of real scripture. Right? It's just incredible. This is incredible. And, you know, you know what's happened to the Church of England. Yeah. Well, listen, you can't have a lady.   The graffiti have a lady in charge now, don't they? And, they they were, the arsenic and old lace.   I should stop calling them that. The couple I met yeah. Terrible, Eli. I've said I've never got a few sort of ladies.   Twisted. It's kind of twisted exactly what I was doing yesterday. Oh, God.  

Oh. But they   they were completely in agreement. They said, yeah. It's ridiculous. I said, oh, good. They know what the traditions are. They know they know much that is right. And, of course, we disagree on other things. And you find that with probably everybody in this arena   to some degree. But,   you know, it was definitely worth my while me spending a while with them. Because I got a free minute out of it, even if it has poisoned me. So   Right? Yes. Poisoned your mind. It has.   It has. But   but truth poisons the mind of the oblivious.   Mhmm. They just have to eat the pill.  

Yep. Eat that red pill.   Come on. Come on. Eat that red pill. It won't hurt you. And then, oh, you might be born again. Right? Yeah. Peneal Glenn might just open up.   Yep. Yeah. What do you was absolutely right.   Yeah. What's your view of, born again Christians, Eli?   They're the jovially oblivious.   That's what they are.   Because they're fed all these lies that all you have to do to get into the kingdom so they use the word saved,   is just believe in Jesus.   That's all you gotta do. Well, happy happy joy joy.   What was it,   what was that cartoon character   that that went around being happy happy joy joy?  

I don't know. For no reason. Right? You know, the world's crumbling around. Happy happy joy joy. And then, of course, the,   the safe from the 90 Ninth Floor crashes on its head.   Right. Right? It's the world is a dangerous place, and you need to know that. Stop believing all these lies of the goody two sheets pastors who say you don't have to obey the law. You you don't have to we'd be concerned about rapists and psychopaths   and   child trafficker   and child molesters. You don't have to worry about that. No. Just believe in Jesus, and you'll be fine.   Well, the Bible doesn't say that anywhere, and that that that idea, that ideology   will you will give us the kingdom. You know? That's, it's the,   happy go lucky   well, born again is is good. Born again is a false concept.  

Okay?   It's it's born from above. And so they have this very false concept   that that it's an emotional high. That's all it is. It's an emotional high. It's done. Well, you're spot on. Pentecostals.   Yeah. Spot on. I mean, I've Yeah. People with true faith keep it to themselves. They don't make a big deal about it. And I've found the That's right. Ones. The baller grain ones I've come up against have been the most obnoxious people I've ever met   because they they have Spoke Kids Syndrome.   And it's all me me me. Aren't I marvelous? Look Look. I've I've seen a person from sin. Oh, I'm so superior. I'm so marvelous.   I'm saved. I'm And they're very, very selfish.  

They're very, very selfish. Yes. They are.   I found that Oh, yeah. It's it's furry.   And very,   very wicked as well. They can be very wicked people. Yeah. They can be. They can be. My nephew's, wife,   who shall be named, unnamed.   Phew. It's just like I I keep on send yeah. Yeah. I keep on sending her,   videos of how awful people in the world are, and she routinely replies, oh, I'm not concerned with that. I'm saved.   Really? Yes. That that's it. That's that's the exact mentality.   Yeah.   And there is a lot of evil under the sun.   There is a lot. Mhmm. Everywhere you look, it is a distress. The more you the more you've looked, and that's why it is strong meat for men, as it were, to use that phrase. You've got to look at this stuff, and it does affect you. But if you don't look, you don't know, you remain. You choose to ignore it. And and that really is, I think, the only sin, the sin of ignorance,   where you know that something bad is going on and you say, oh, that's got nothing to do with me. What? And it just and you ignore it. You ignore it. Christians are being trained to ignore the evil in the world and pretend they're going to heaven.  

Mhmm. That's what they call saved. That is what they call saved.   Okay, gentlemen. It's been a pleasure. We started out being, talking about what? Arsenic and Rolla's.   We did. Come full circle. It's a psychopathy   or psychopathy, however it's pronounced. Okay.   Yeah. And yeah. It's a crazy world we're living in, but it's all where your head is at. Where your head is at. Can you can you experience   real love,   not just pretended love?   That's where it's at. And Jesus experienced real love and tried to share how you're supposed to do it. Right? And you don't allow evil into your household.   No. Precisely.  

Spot or not. You need this knowledge to be able to identify it more rapidly and deal with it and get it out of your life.   I think when you're young, you think, oh, we can combat it all. You you can't. They're   they're operating without a code. They don't have a code. They're not aspiring to the their only purpose is to pull you down.   Yeah. I've, Exactly. It really is. And look what the government's done. They're pulling everybody down. Just look at the government. They're pulling everybody down in this country. Even each other. Even each other. That's what happens to liberals too.   The competition of psychopaths.  

Right? Okay, gentlemen. I've got to go. My landlady has some kind of serious problem. So but, I'll leave you with She's she's not she's not a landlady of the arsenic and old lace variety, is she? No. No. Not that type. Oh, no. Well,   actually   actually,   she is.   She is.   Okay. So but I and I've got to calm her down. Okay? So Eli, you've been wonderful. Have you? People can catch you on Bloodlines, can't they? Pleasure. It's a pleasure. 10AM   eastern Yeah. 3PM. UK.   Yeah. Absolutely. Eurofoot radio also on Radio Soapbox and elsewhere. Okay. It's been great having you. Really enjoyed it. We'll have you back in a few weeks time. Brilliant, Eli. Thank you very much for your time and your and everything you've said. Really enjoyed it. Yeah. Thank you, guys. And I'm just gonna I'm just gonna cry in my beer.   Okay.  

Okay, guys. Take care. Bye. See you, Eli. Bye. Bye. Yeah. See you. Bye.   All good stuff.   All good stuff. Excellent stuff. Excellent. Excellent. We'd love to get Eli on to talk about his Vietnam experiences.   We can do that. Yeah. We can do one of those. We can definitely do one of those.   Because that he's got a very interesting   very, very interesting view   in that. Because let's face it. Here in Britain, we were kind of sanitized from it   in many ways.   Because I I remember it very clearly. Every night when the news came on, it was Vietnam,   you know, all the time.  

But All of these things, they're like staging   points, aren't they, in this systemic decay that's been injected into,   Western Christendom.   I'm just gonna use that word. You know what I mean? I'm not talking about the organized religions, but   it has all of these things. Now they're at absolute fever pitch with all the,   the technocratic control. I think one of the things I also I remember another comment from Blavatsky is that she was saying that   she saw that   Christianity,   and this is not a bad thing I would suggest in the sense that these organized religious versions of Christianity   are mangled beyond repair anyway.  

Like, you know,   I can't I don't know what they've done in the Church of England. I don't even worry about it. People get concerned about this stuff. I just view it as another symptom of the loss of the whole thing, of it being silly. Yeah. It's incredibly and dangerous.   It's definitely broken the hearts of a lot of people, but it's not mine because I don't really view it in that way. But Well, what's broken my heart is County Cathedral. There's graffiti up the wall Yeah. Deliberately put there by some geyser wearing a frock.   And that to me is vandalism. And that geyser in the frock,   it should well, quite honestly,   they should be given a scrubbing brush and a bucket and say, right. You stay there until that's all cleared off. That's all wiped off. It's absolutely disgusting what they've done. All that beautiful architecture   just   well, it it it's taking the mic, isn't it? It really is taking the mickey. It's to it's completely   it's the and every single area,   just like when you're talking   about the psychopath being present in your family, is a sort of demoralization   and confusion process on purpose.  

And and, you know, that sort of   cliched view of demons,   glee is the word that cut springs to mind. Yes. There's a glee in them   creating a downfall.   They've got nothing to build themselves, but those that want to build   and bring beauty in the world, they are to be abused and demeaned and verbally run down. And they've managed to gain a control of the communication spaces such that they're able to bombard these messages out everywhere and convince a lot of people who don't think about these things critically. Because most people have not been trained or have lost the muscle to think critically. It's kind of educated out of them at school. They come out of it not capable of really functioning as a a questioning individual. These people get over of   stuff, you know. So all the things that we rant against are all kind of aspects of this decay, you know. We've talked about the loss of men with pipes and engineering and and the hideous buildings and all of this stuff. The removal of beauty from the world.  

I think you sent me a video about it the other day, didn't you, Eric? And somebody That's true. I   haven't got around to watching it. Well Yeah. Sorry.   Sorry. No. I didn't mean to cut in there, but what I was gonna say is that,   I could normally,   show me a house or show me a building, and I could give you within about, oh, couple of years either way, roughly when the house was built, because you can tell by the era.   But anything from about nineteen seventies onwards,   no, you can't. Because it's just a load   of pouch patch of nothing.  

It's just,   I call it amnesia architecture.   That's basically what it is. It's just there's no style,   where, for example, if you went to the Cotswolds, you see beautiful Cotswolds stone being used on the buildings.   That's no longer the case. They're getting bricks from almost here, there, and every anywhere.   So you can't really tell.   I mean, once upon a time, a building   so a house was   building materials   came from local. So it blended in   with the rest, like, feng shui. You know? Everything sort of blends in. Not now. You know, bricks has probably come from Denmark   or Germany or   Mongolia or wherever.  

Horrendous. It really is. Mhmm. And there's a state going up around where I live. And, again, it's just a bland nothingness.   Absolutely   vile.   How I I just don't know how   what's happening to society. I really don't. You do. I think you do. I think I think we do. I think the listeners here do know. I think the challenge again is to know how to behave   to,   overthrow it or to or to assist it   more rapidly to destroy itself from within. I think that's the way I always that thing about is it Genghis Khan or Attila the Hun? One of them who took everything over. While he was out there doing his stuff, back at court,   so much power was accruing in terms of administering this colossal empire that had been acquired very rapidly.  

That the guys back at court began to fight amongst themselves   and destroyed it from within. This is what happened to Rome. It happens to all of them. Yeah.   I remember Oscar Wilde, not that I'm necessarily a great fan, but he he did make a very good point about the empire when he said that the problem with it is, he said, is that all the geniuses and brilliant people went out there   leaving a bunch of idiots back at base who've destroyed it from within. And that's kind of if you look at the nature of   yeah. It is. Yeah.  

But but I I think that we need to do counter subversion.   And with subversion, what you do, you don't stop your enemy. You help them to destroy themselves.   And that's what they've done with us. So we got to counter that by helping them to destroy themselves.   We have to Sounds weird.   No. It doesn't. It makes a lot of sense. Maybe we need to keep,   invoke Napoleon's statement. Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake.   I mean, I think these people are walking twenty four seven mistakes as as human beings. Everything about them. It's not really a mistake because they're doing it consciously. They know what they're doing. I don't know whether they know exactly what they're doing it for. I suppose to give worship to their God, which isn't the one I know. But I can't see it. There has to be something   really foul at the very base of it. And and if you study sort of ancient religions from Babylon onwards, there is this this counter opposing force of darkness.  

And, you know, it's it's simply true. We we're fighting spiritual wickedness in high places. That's exactly what we're having to deal with. And We are. But   Yes. Sorry. Paul, carry on. Carry on. It's okay. No. I'd But I was gonna say is they they seem   to be with psychopaths I've come up against, especially the one I'm married in my family, extremely   naive   on the other hand. And that is the chink in the armor.   I mean, he would repeat what they said on the adverts like British Gas. A lot of people are going back to British Gas now, so I've heard. Yeah. Because he's seen it on the advert. Incredibly naive. An insurance   salesman would have a field day with them.  

That's the weirdest thing about it.   You know?   This naivety they have. Their brain really does think in a completely different way to ours. It's alien to ours. And, I often said, if you wanted proof   that aliens are   living amongst us, he would have been it.   Seriously. You know? Do have you noticed, Eric, as well,   that these people do not have any shame?   Oh, that's right. Yes. There's no embarrassment or shame at all. No. They don't get embarrassed   at all. That that's the most amazing thing.   It's be there's like no inner conscience   about a standard of grace and decency towards others. It's I've got all these ideas. I rightfully should be in charge. Nothing that you say is relevant because I know far more than you.  

I'm better than you. You will do what I say. There's some aspect like that. And when you point out their mistakes,   I mean, Starmer's perfect for this. He's literally he's impervious   to other people's communication, which means he's not a communicator. I mean, I always operate on the basis that we've been given two ears and one mouth. I mean, it's rich coming from me, and we should be using them in that proportion. Of course, when communication really works well, that is kind of what's happening.   That you listen more   and and, maybe I'll talk less as I get older. I don't know whether that's very useful for a radio show.  

Oh, no. I I talk talk more talk more. We need more talk. But quite honestly though, Paul,   I got sorry. Talking to someone once   who,   she,   works in I think it's BBC.   Mhmm. Local radio. Had quite a top job. Not on the air, I hasten to add, but in the office.   And someone came in who was a psychopath   and   started   a rumor   that she was stealing soap out the loo   and   started trouble.   And it got it's a long story, but I'll dince it right down because I know we've only got a few moments left. But eventually, what happened   is the girl was frightened of going to the loo, so she went over the road to the loo over the road, and then   the psychopath started the mentally honest routine.  

That's what they do. Right. And,   it's this psycho   drove her out.   And the way this psychopath did it, she,   was making out that she was stealing soap   about the ladies loo. And   that sounds a bit weird.   And the girl was in the ladies loo, and then the corner of her eye noticed that this psycho was slipping soap into her handbag.   And she caught you. Gotcha.   And she said and then she then the psycho turned it around.   No. I wasn't. I was trying to help you. Look. You really are not well. And it was gaslighting all the way through. And eventually, the girl just left. She just couldn't handle it anymore.   And, of course, the psycho got into the senior position.  

Mhmm. Amazing. There's a there's been a I've not read anywhere near enough comments out from all you guys and gals in both the YouTube and Rumble chat, so forgive me. We've just been having a bit of a a field day here with with talking and stuff. A good one in here from John Pontes, if I've pronounced your name correctly,   on YouTube says, until British and Americans repent of what was done to Germany in World War two, nothing will get better. It's definitely a key part of it. I think we are repenters here. We do fully understand. It's always a topic worth bringing up with anybody.   Certainly, for most of the Brits I meet, they're completely clueless as to the as to the real positive force. I actually did bring this up, as well yesterday with these ladies talking about these conflicts, And I said, you know,   we weren't the good guys. You do know that. Right?  

Of course, they look at you. They don't really know.   And then what that's another problem that they have is that because they're focused almost exclusively on looking at this message that they want to get across, They're not including, I would suggest, certainly from my point of view anyway, enough sort of contemporary knowledge of recent times that show   the sheer serious nature of what actually happens. You can't just keep thinking well if we'll wish it better. No. There are certain actions that have to be taken.   And we've been involved in some terrible terrible things and to a great degree, you know, we have to say it's because this country was overthrown a long time ago. America was overthrown almost at its inception. Nearly all of them have been overthrown   by forces that pretend to be representing you but are secretly working to undermine everything that you're trying to build and we're now at the sort of culmination of that in many many ways. It's,   this is the   tragedy of our times. Is that what we call it?  

Yes. And, Etta Volk has come out the call. She said World War two was the last   true battle.   Yes.   And we lost.   We did. The European people as a whole across the whole of Europe and in America lost.   Yeah.   Because the strings were being pulled for other purposes. And of course, the   the wretched offspring of these people is now here running the European Union and the United Nations and all this other manure that we've got to deal with. All this other manure that we've got to deal with. Yeah. Eric, it's been tremendous tonight. I've really enjoyed the whole thing. It's been fantastic. I always enjoy it. Thanks.   Thank you very much everybody that's been tuned in and listening to us. We had Eli James on for a couple of hours there. Had a great time with Eli, so that's good.  

Next week, fingers crossed, Internet technicalities and connectivity issues being in order. Nathan Lucius will be joining us,   the author of Fake Awake, and, look forward to having Nathan on. It's been a few weeks since he was here,   and we'll be back with you then next week. So thanks, Eric. And, you've got a show coming up on Sunday as well, haven't you? So That's right. Look forward to that. A Buddhist monk coming on. So there we go. Bit of peace. We'll do a bit of peace. That would be fantastic. Alright. Brilliant, Eric. Okay. Thanks, everyone. We'll see you again same time next week.   Go well.  

And, we look forward to being back with you next Thursday. Bye for now. Yeah. Many thanks. Thanks. Bye.