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PAUL ENGLISH LIVE #102 · paulenglishlive.com
Thursday August 28th · 8pm UK · 3pm US eastern

Behold A Pale Horse with Monika Schaefer, Eric Von Essex and Nathan Lucius

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In this lively episode of Paul English Live, we delve into a variety of topics ranging from the peculiarities of modern football stadiums to the philosophical depths of films like The Matrix. Paul is joined by Eric, Nathan, and special guest Monica Schafer, who shares insights into her brother Alfred's recent experiences and the broader awakening she perceives in society. The conversation touches on the importance of nationhood, the impact of indoctrination, and the need for communities to engage actively with the system to reclaim their rights.

We also explore the cultural significance of traditional sports and the influence of media on public perception. The discussion extends to the role of alternative media and the importance of building parallel systems to counteract mainstream narratives. The episode is peppered with humour and personal anecdotes, making for an engaging and thought-provoking listen. Join us as we navigate the complexities of modern life and the quest for truth and community.

[00:00:14] Unknown:

Well, I hope you're still all taking a look around yourselves.   It's,   Thursday, August 28. It has just about gone. In fact, this will obviously be   the very last show in August   2025.   I was just out for a walk today but we'll talk about the weather in a minute. This is Paul English live edition 102.   I'm joined tonight by Eric. Nathan's with us tonight. We're gonna have a continuation sort of conversation but some other stuff as well to be thrown in. Welcome to the show.   Hi. Hey. Welcome back everyone.   Just noticed something really strange there which was that,   the, our studio just reset.  

You see? I spent I got everything set up forty five minutes in time but the studio   reloaded itself and kicked everybody out of the studio. How about that? That was fun. So you probably didn't hear my opening bit or much of the opening music. I'm sorry about that.   But these things do happen. Anyway, it's the 08/28/2025   and this really is, I guess, the last show for August.   I've just been out for a   a little hoof this afternoon.   I started off in wonderfully sunny weather,   if not a bit Billy Blisteringtons.   In fact, very Billy Blustrington's, but lovely warm air. Don't know what the weather's been like where you've been, but it's been hot sweaty nights here recently, really has.  

And,   but by the time I got back on the walk, the weather had taken a decidedly   nasty little turn and,   I'm now sitting in the gloom with a sweater on or a jumper as we say over here in The UK. I think there's sweaters in America   and, it's all gone rather dark   and there have been leaves blowing around and it's only August. Though, I think we still got some good weather to come and we always like to start off with a bit of a weather shot, don't we? We always like to start off. But let me welcome into the studio this evening,   a continuation   of lots of jibber jabbering that we were doing on Monday to some degree. There's Eric von Essex. Eric, good evening, and and how are you tonight? Good evening.  



[00:03:38] Unknown:

I'm very well. Thank you. And I've just seen a rainbow.   An an a proper one. Not not one of these, well, I type rainbows. It's a proper.   And, two of them, in fact, one next to the other one. Haven't seen a rainbow for years.   And, the sky,   to the south looks absolutely   jet black.   So it's, we we in with rain, you know. Just Have you you mean you've just seen a rainbow this evening? This evening as you've just sort of Yes. Yes. Yes. About, oh, half an hour ago.  

[00:04:09] Unknown:

So that's just outside the Fockem Hall Recording Studio, is that, is it? That's just That's right. Yes. Fockem Fockem Hall Towers. Yes. I've just looked out.  

[00:04:16] Unknown:

Double rainbow. So there we go. Hey. That's a nice idea. Proper one.   Yes. I like proper rainbows, not the not the artificial ones, the real ones. You know? Yes. No. I mean, when's the last time you saw a rainbow? I was gonna get me shovel out because if you they say if you dig a hole at the end of a rainbow, you will find a pot of gold.   So there you go.  

[00:04:37] Unknown:

Well, go on then. Find one. It would be it might come in quite handy.   That's it. I know. I always used to love it as a kid though. My mom used to enchant me with that. Oh, you've got to go find it. There's a pot of gold at the wherever it's coming out of the ground, there's a pot of gold. It's the most lovely sort of ridiculous thought. And, of course, later on when you understand physics, you go, mom,   you weren't telling me the truth about that, were you? But then there's a bit of either always wants to believe. I think we always want to believe in that kind of stuff, don't we? So Mhmm. Well, that's nice. Well, it's very dark here as well. It's really dark here. I wonder what the weather's like with Nathan.   Nathan, good evening. Welcome to the show. How are you this fine evening? We don't know what it's like where you are.  



[00:05:19] Unknown:

Hi.   Hi. Thanks for having me on on the show.   I'm I'm just gonna say it's the usual mix of, you know,   chemtrails,   clouds, darkness,   blanketed stuff, you know, all all the usual goodies that I think we're used to in the Northeast. It's quite grim, really. We've had this as a blue sky. I feel like a weatherman now with with, rays of sunshine poking through   on the hour. No. Something like that, anyway. That's good. High.  

[00:05:47] Unknown:

We like that. That's what we like. We like weather. We like to talk about the weather. We really like to talk about the weather a lot. Actually, I think I had a few weather. Oh, really? I had some   lovely weather forecast. I can't remember where I've put them all now. Never mind. I'll I'll dig some up. We've got some lovely thing, but generally, the result is usually breezes.   But, yeah, do you get a lot of chemtrails up there then? Do you always get that? Do you get them?  

[00:06:08] Unknown:

Constant bombardment, mate. We get the odd day where we don't get any because that's totally how airplanes work, isn't it?   And then most of the time, it's just like a a blanket across the sky.   Today's been a bit of a mix of both, but, you know,   we've had a thunderstorm. We've had a rainbow. Now you you know, so, Eric, you mentioned your rainbow there. Oh. Yeah. But,   this is a weird one. So usually,   where I am, the rainbows usually appear in the same place. I don't know how that works. And they've they've got a certain arc. Right? They've got a certain degree.   This one, the one that I saw today seemed flatter, and it was it was in a different location. It was actually over the hills as opposed to to the left of the hills, which is  

[00:06:48] Unknown:

I don't know how you explain that. I'm not I'm not a physicist, but it just looked a bit odd. That It's because the Earth's flat. That's it. That's that's it. We cracked it. I'm feeling a bit let it out here. I'm feeling you get a rainbow. Eric gets two rainbows. I've got nothing. We got nothing here today.   Oh. It's a bit much, really. I I sit on my on my way scooting back home after after I'd headed out and go to the wheat fields or the ex wheat fields because all the wheat's being gathered in by the busy farmers and the combine harvesters or whatever. So it's all sort of rather naked. I was I was walking back and it's very very windy   and down here, Windy Worthing, I'm reasonably sure is the home of,   windsurfing.  

It sounds like an awfully big claim, doesn't it? Even now I'm not quite so sure about it, but a lot of people around here told me that when we first moved there twenty five years ago. And though it really was   very blowy today, and you couldn't see the sea for   men in wet suits flying through the air. The whole thing that there must have been about a 100 of them on the water today. Just couldn't move from just flying around all through the all through the air. When I got back my next door neighbour was, him and his brother are builders.   His brother's 75, right, and, still working   and I had a chat with him   and his younger brother has just had a new hip   and I said, how are your hips? He said, no, I'm fine. He was all cocky about it. I said, oh well, that's good.  

I said, you know, how's it going on, you know, with your brother and everything? And he still he's not doing too bad. I I actually bumped into him about a week ago. He's out there on the seafront with a walking stick slowly recovering,   but he puts it down to, to windsurfing because his brother basically has been bouncing around on surfboards for fifteen, twenty years, and he thinks he smashed his hips up that way. So he's got a got a brand new hip just breaking it in, getting an MOT for it and everything like that. And,   yeah, there's a lot of hip operations around here. Hip hop operations, not hip hop, but hip operations. So, yeah, there's quite a bit of that. But don't don't get, don't get Eric started on, you know, windsurfing because we know where that ends up, don't we? Well, I I I can't swim, so I would be literally windsurfing.  



[00:08:51] Unknown:

Ah.  

[00:08:52] Unknown:

I didn't even see that.   I think, actually, Nathan, I think Eric's already perverted your mind. You're going to see this in  

[00:09:00] Unknown:

everything. Oh, he he he's twisted my fragile little mind, you know. It's it's it's a shadow of its former self now. I know. Well, I there's be I mean, I I I if we,  

[00:09:10] Unknown:

just to let you know, if you didn't tune in on Monday, I rock up on Monday and I'm on Eric's   show. I basically, I get a pass, and they allow me into Fulgham Hall on a Monday. It's Nathan too. We have to get a visa and everything to get in there. Yeah. And, And a passport. Yeah. It got a little bit toiletly and taught Tory. In fact, I understand that a few a few people were a bit upset and possibly left the show. So I don't know what to say about it. So I is that what you call blowback? I think I think it is. Sorry. Oh. Oh. Well done. There's no end to this. There's no end to this. There's no end to this. There's no end to this. There's no end to this. There's no end to this. There's no end to this. There's no end to this. There's no end to this. There's no end.  

[00:09:42] Unknown:

Just just some old fart. Took it took it personally. That's all. Oh, good lord. Sorry. Don't  

[00:09:46] Unknown:

don't go doing that. Chris,  

[00:09:48] Unknown:

do we know you as Chris or Eric on this on this Yeah. Call me anything you want as long as you're not too late for me dinner.  

[00:09:54] Unknown:

I just spoke over this. No. I was just I was just I was reflecting, on just, you know, how well we did at offending people in the last couple of shows. I think it's like,   I've I've been looking into this all day today, the psychology   behind,   you know, when we were talking about mind traps and cognitive biases,   and there is a definite link, there is a definite link between cognitive biases, mind traps, and offending people. And it's and it's very, very telling. I've got five pages worth of research I'd like to share with you at some point tonight. Oh, no. That's cool. Very, very enlightening.  

[00:10:27] Unknown:

Please, sir. That's really good. So far   Yep. My list of offending people is, tattoos.   Yes. I offended lots of people, by views of tattoos because I don't like them. Mhmm. And, what's the other one? And,   political views. They don't like that. Because I'm not but I'm not political because I don't vote. But they just don't like my views.   And,   I think the I think people sometimes just like to complain   for a sake of complain?   I don't know. Complaining.  

[00:11:00] Unknown:

I think it's in England. You know, we're kind of winging it in a space where you don't know quite we don't know quite exactly what you lot are like out there. I mean, we've got a sort of idea, really. You get a good sense of feedback. Certainly, if you're in the Telegram group and you're posting there, and again, shout out to everybody   who puts posts and tons of them in,   the Telegram group for this show. It's very lively.   And,   one of the trend one of the trends that's been happening recently, which is really good, is that more and more of you're actually sort of writing your own post in there. It sounds like I'm a school teacher, but you know what I mean. We've all we've all done it, the copy and paste stuff and bombarding one another, but it's great to see comments and people sort of opening up about this, that, and the other and just sort of push it on. I think I've drowned on here about how I used to love. In fact, I'm thinking of setting one up again.   I used to love discussion email lists the best and I still do.  

I don't know if you ever used to be you know, you you send them you send a post off and everybody gets a copy and about twenty five minutes later, two or three people might respond to it. There's something extremely intimate and much more direct about email and I think also   on a list, you get found out quicker because if you start copying and pasting stuff, people go stop doing that.   Right? Stop copying and pasting things. I don't need to know, but some people just sort of get into the habit and think that that's a contribution. I used to get a bit cross about that. But the best list you're ever on is where you've got, you know, you get little clusters of people and you sometimes get people into a,   a spat about things. And as long as it's conducted well, they can be really constructive. You can sort of cover an awful lot of ground.  

Do you by the way, this is gonna sound really sad. You know you know when email first well, when I first started you, email must have been what?   '92.   It's a long time ago.   Thirty three years ago. It must have been, I think, on '91, something like that. Yeah. Oh, you've you've said '33 now. You're gonna you're gonna trigger all the, the Mason haters. All the numb all the number guys. Lay off with the numbers. I don't do the numbers stuff, by the way. I just don't do it. I just think it's labyrinthine. I'm sure there's something in it, but I'm just going enough already. I've got enough with, you know, dealing with milkshakes and and other really complicated things about getting stuck in with all these numbers and stuff. But I used to be the case do you remember this? When you got an email, it was really really exciting.   Do you remember that? Yes. When you first got an email, somebody would say you I've and then they they call you up on the phone to let you know this. And it was like overlap all the time. I've just sent you an email. Do you want me to send you a fax to tell you that I've sent you an email? No. Stop. Because fax machines, they're gone, aren't they? Poor old fax machine.  



[00:13:33] Unknown:

Yes. Yes. And do you met do you remember also,   because people, if they got your telephone number, you get rogue faxes coming through. So I had an office next to my bedroom, and about sort of 02:00 in the morning, you get   Oh, yeah. Open the door in the morning. There's loads and loads of bloody paper all over the floor of crap that you don't really want.   And   do you remember   text us before   mobile phones? We had text  

[00:14:00] Unknown:

Yeah. Things, bloopers. Do you remember them? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Those I never got one of those. Well, no. But I know what you mean. I remember that. Yeah. Texting. Well, faxing was really really important. Possibly still is. I don't know. In the banking world for certain contracts, they were actually,   valued as proper legal documents and you could sign them and if it was, in other words, if your signature was on it at your end, it was therefore, I think, assumed or presumed   that you'd put a wet ink signature on the document, and therefore it was binding if you sent a fax of it. But it it probably I'm talking out of my bum, I guess, right now with all that kind of stuff, but I I just remember all that. I know that when mobile   phones, came out where was I working? I was in Whitechapel at the time about 1990.  

There was a guy there chain smoked all day long, Another Paul,   a really nice guy. I'd be surprised if he's still alive. Seriously, I'm not trying to be negative about it. He drank. He was really nice guy, very bright, just smoked   non stop. I mean, I'm going   how do you get any work done? You've always gotta go outside for a cigarette or something like that. It must have been on 40 to 60 a day and I just can't sort of get my brain around that. But he was into all the gadgets. He got one of those bricks, you know, the first mobile phones, the bricks?   Yeah. The the the car phones. The big The big those big things? No. Yeah. And he Okay. Well, it's it's a lot of noise. He used to get a nosebleed. He said, oh, yeah. It's not good, is it? I'm going,   no.  



[00:15:25] Unknown:

Why are you doing that? Just shortwave, you know, shot in his head and everything. And you you had to have, like, a big bag next to you, didn't you? Which was a battery. Bloody great thing. Yeah. You did. You had to have a shoulder bag with it. Yeah. And,   oh, it it was quite amazing. And,   but to think how small they've got now   and, you know, the phones that you was it smartphones   and things like that? Mhmm. My first phone was a Motorola,   and that was quite a big size, you know, about the size of a shoe.   I  

[00:15:55] Unknown:

know. I don't really think about tech much these days because I think, you know, I just tend to not think about it. It's kind of all been done really and it goes I think the bulk of it has.   It's a ridiculous thing to say because I gotta program everything up. But I know when we used to shoot off down at Wimbledon, this is about   fifteen years ago, we used to go camping down there and get in on the sort of day ticket. I had a fantastic time. This is when my family was growing up. It was just brilliant. And, we had one of those little Ericsson phones which wasn't a smartphone. We still got kicking around the house. Now look at it. I'm sure it'll work. I keep on thinking I probably need to go back to that to stop, you know, all this sort of screen grazing and stuff. Not that I do a lot of it actually. I don't even take my phone out when I go walking these days, so there's all that kind of stuff.   But yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Anyway, today's image, we always have an image for the show. We generally don't talk about it at all, actually, or even what I've titled it.  

It's, I think somebody, was it David or somebody in the chat, maybe a couple of you over in Telegram group, guessed who it was. It's actually,   William of Orange.   How about that? William of Orange. Yeah.  

[00:17:03] Unknown:

It's a very nice, it's a very nice painting, but he's he's very policy looking, isn't he? Yes. He  

[00:17:09] Unknown:

is. In fact, the subtitle I had for the painting was,   fag on a nag with hags.   But seeing as I thought that was a bit vulgar, a bit wrong of me to say apart from which in England, we don't actually really use the word fag. I know it's an American word. We don't use that. We're not allowed to use that language. Brutal language than that. It's a little bit more vivid, which I couldn't possibly utter on a family show, but it's a little bit more robust. Let's do it that   way. And,   but, yeah, anyway, because he was on a pale horse, I just thought, right, I'm gonna call it behold a pale horse, which, of course, is that biblical line from the book of Revelation,   you know, death on a on a and actually there is a sort of tenuous connection there   with that. So although I can't actually spring this question as a surprise,   so this is a bit can't it is like telling a joke badly what I'm about to do. But if I were to ask you when was the last time   that England was invaded   prior to that me just telling you about that picture, what would you have normally said? When was the last time that what would most people say? When was the last time England was invaded?  



[00:18:20] Unknown:

I think most people would say October,   which is not true.   It's not? No? As far as I'm as far as I'm aware, it's not true. It I mean, we've been invaded a few times after that, especially in the middle ages by by the French, which we we apparently had a French King Louis for a year or two.   There you go. Oh, nice. From most history books. 1940.  

[00:18:43] Unknown:

The Germans marched into,   the Channel Islands, which was   English. I guess it was really. Yeah. So they they invaded in. And then 2025,  

[00:18:53] Unknown:

of course, then we got all the rubber boats coming across. Yeah. That's what I was gonna say. The actual answer is this afternoon.   Yeah. The last time I was I'll be sorry. I spoilt your gag. No. It wasn't really a gag. It's fine. It's okay. It was just a sort of lead in. But 1688,   right,   is known as the Glorious Revolution.   There's all sorts of threads out of this.   And, Dutch troops   were on the streets of London for over a year. Armed Dutch troops during that period. Really? There wasn't any massed field battles or anything like that.   But in terms of the complexities   of this invasion,   so called it's called the Glorious Revolution because nobody shot anybody, right? But it was slightly by   oh the amount of deception that's going on in this thing. It's just incredible really.  

So William of Orange was married to   someone's daughter Charles the second was it or James the second something like that.   And,   they they did this big deal to get him to come on over and become our king.   The   you know, as well this period of history which I don't know a great deal about, I've actually just plunged into this because I was just cribbing something the last few days. There's a somebody's been interacting with me on, Twitter the last few Blah b l a h, great handle, sent me some cool stuff through,   which we won't go into today because it will get bogged down in too much detail, but a speech in the House of Commons in 1940   about the money system,   which is really very interesting particularly   as the speaker says,   we need to go back to the monetary system that we had before William   of Orange   binned it all. Right? This is this lad on the horse right now. Okay.  

And   also,   it connects through to a guy called George Downing,   and George Downing   lends his name   to Downing Street.   How about that?   And in the sixteen   sixties, Downing was going to set up like a foreign treasury office which was a forerunner of the Bank of England because he'd been liggling around in Holland for a long time. Okay?   And the connections between England and Holland at that time are once you step back and think about it, they're considerable. You've got Van Dyck doing all those paintings. You've got Peter Paul Rubens.   You've got a lot of the sort of kings of England painted by Dutch painters. And there was also a massive exchange of scientific knowledge between the English and the Dutch at that time because,   the Dutch I've forgotten how many states they had. They were like a republic. Yeah, they were actually. They were kind of like a republic.  

Very wealthy,   very high standard of living. I think the highest on Continental Europe at the time for all sorts of reasons.   And so there's all this Wasn't there something like the the sorry. I'm just Yeah. Go on. Potavian Republic or something like that. Is that Maybe. Yeah. Maybe. Thing? Yeah. You could well be right. Be your old, but they Yeah. I don't have any details in my head. This is not sort of like a big sort of detailed pitch. It's more sort of a just a general overview.   And there's a book called Going Dutch by Lisa Jardine,   which is reference, which I've got a copy of on PDF. I'm not going to read it all because it's because I'm not. I'm just looking for the salient bits myself.  

But it's to do with this very deep connection between England and Holland. It's immense. Much much bigger than we've probably ever been taught. A bit like everything else, you know. It's really considerable.   But the key thing is to do with, as far as I'm concerned, the reason why I stuck my nose in turn got drawn in, is to do with this thing with finance.   Now,   people will be aware that the Bank of England was formed in 1694,   but the run up to that began really in the mid sixteen sixties.   Downing was known   by Cromwell.  

He's also got a terrible reputation as being an absolute liar. There's all the there's all these other people. This is the guy whose name that was Downing Street, right, he's named after. Okay. George Downing.   And he was a bit of a conniving, manipulative, intelligent, cunning sort of weasel of a guy.   And the Americans will be very interested to hear that he spent his many of his formative years in New England,   with a guy called John Winthrop.   There's a big,   a lot of ships, the Winthrop something or other. In fact, I played a song about it a couple of months ago. I might even play in this show later on because it seems appropriate.   He from the age of 15 to 22,   he spent those seven years in New England and was very well connected in New York. Then he comes back to here, then he hops on over back and forth to Holland and all this, that, and the other. There's a kicker in all this, of course. It's not really Dutch, guys.  

Okay? But,   he was instrumental in forming all this and and at Dutch finance   is where the state   basically issues bonds in modern terms, issues bonds and basically   your tax   your tax liability is gonna redeem those bonds down the line.   And this is why since 1694   here and slightly longer in Holland,   the debt is permanently designed to be unrepayable.   It's by design. It's intentional.  

[00:24:04] Unknown:

That makes sense to be fair. Yeah. It's completely intentional.  

[00:24:09] Unknown:

And in the nineteen thirties over here, a law was passed that stops the government   issuing its own money completely.   Can't do it.   It's just not allowed.   Right?   And, Eric, you're aware obviously of the, the Bradbury pound mid World War one.   That's probably the last time they ever did it. Of course, it was spectacularly   successful.   And I'm just saying these things, if you're a regularist and you have heard us touch on this frequently, this whole show is not gonna be about banking again. I just like to drop a few nuggets in whenever I come across them that are worth sort of raising up. But I think,   you know, we've mentioned it repeatedly there are solutions to the economic so called crisis because it's entirely bogus, totally artificial, and has been for hundreds of years.  

And   the main one would be that with an honorable government, you can all stop laughing now,   an honorable government I was gonna say what's one of those? I don't know. I don't think you can put those two words in the same sentence, really, can you? It's wrong. You should be locked up to It's a joke. It's an oxymoron, isn't it? It is. It's absolutely mad. It's like the maddest thing I ever said.   Yeah. Should be issuing its own money to just get us out of the doo doo in three to five years. It'd be   it'd be a cinch,   apart from the fact that all the politicians will get assassinated. So that's probably why they don't wanna do it. Yeah. But,   Yeah. But the the back so this is part of it. This system   of   permanent debt was designed in Holland.  

But I'm gonna suggest to you not by Dutchmen. And the reason is we've got to back track. A couple of months ago, we did a Really? Yes. Honestly, that might fly. I know. It's really quite What a surprise. It's quite queer, this. And you'll see how I'm gonna tie this all up as well.   So,   a couple of months back we did,   we discussed in part is we'll always hop back to it, a book or a booklet called The Nameless War by Captain Archibald Maul Ramsey, and anybody that's called Captain Archibald Maul Ramsey is alright in my book, and it's a great name.   And, The Nameless War is about this, let's say, the undermining of Western Christendom for   the last five or six hundred years. And the root of it, I believe, really does start with Henry the eighth with Venetians coming into so called Venetians. Okay?  

Coming into his court and and laying all sorts of foundations for this, and it culminates really,   with the Bank of England in 1694.   Just as an aside, he brought 20,000 troops with him, did William,   and they, they must have gone past where I live here because they were spotted heading   westward   past the Isle Of Wye and they landed at Torbay.   This is where and then they marched up to London. 20,000 of mercenaries. Very well paid, very well equipped.   500 ships.   It's quite a lot in it. 500.   Yes. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. 500. Of course, the question is who paid for them? Well,   answers on a postcard, please. I'm sure those of you who listened here will be able to work out probably   who paid for them. I don't have his name in front of me. It wasn't it wasn't Carver Howell, the guy that had funded   Cromwell's   new model army. It was a come another guy also   of the same people   funding many of the armies across Europe at the time to get us to kick 10 bells out of one another. Same old, same old right now with Ukraine and Russia. It never changes. Same same plan every single time. So it's the same it's the same, Hegelian dialectic all the time, isn't it? Every time. Every single time. But it works.  

It it does because nobody spots the Eargo in the mix.   They never ever spot it. They just they go to sleep again,   and they don't spot it or the politicians communicate in such a way, you know, as to as to not make it happen. But,   what Ramsay covered in his book,   is it just we'll just hop back to Spain. I nearly finished this little bit really.   Ferdinand King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella kicked the Jews out of Spain.   And where did they go? Well, they went all over Europe, but a huge number went to Amsterdam.   This is why Amsterdam became a commercial center because of the   tendencies, the proclivities, the skill set of those people. Let's put it that way. And this is why there were these stock joint stock companies and everything got sort of designed there.  

So the people that put the money up for William were those same people   and they put the money up and said they would make him king and they could do this through corrupt people over here as well who were quite happy to receive money, yeah, as well,   As long as when after he'd settled in 1688,   so it only took six years,   they get he gave them the keys to the bank.   That is that's it.   Now, the interesting thing about Lisa Jardine is she's the daughter of Professor Branovsky, the ascent of man.   Okay. Yes. So work it out.   You know?  

So,   the book, Going Dutch, great title for it by the way, is probably from my perspective,   it's not worth the 540   page riffing and I'm not plowing into it, but someone fortunately has done. It's the salient bits about this.   So wherever you see the word Dutch, you might want to replace it with some other words or whatever you get my drift, okay?   Because it's just more disguise of the same old principle in action and effectively William was an agent through which they worked. And so coming all the way back to the title of the show 'Behold a Pale Horse' in a way it's kind of true   because,   his arrival, not him personally, but his arrival and all these events did spell   effectively the death   of the way that we managed   our fiscal lives, our monetary lives. It was it ended in 1694.  

It took a long time for people to see it, and it took them a couple of hundred years to really make the whole system mature into the almost iron grip they have on everything. Well, it's not iron enough, is it? That's why they want to sort of institute   cryptocurrencies and all this other kind of stuff. But it's the same old Yeah. But that but that  

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I was I was gonna say all that because it just keeps things moving or or it gives the appearance that things are moving so that,   you know, people can't catch up to it. As soon as they start to understand the system, they've gotta change it or or at least modify it or to make it sound different, to make it work a little bit different   so that it takes people longer to cotton on and, you know,   realize what's really going on.  

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Absolutely.   Yeah. It does. It just does that.   So there you go. That's today's little hitch. Theft, isn't it? Yeah. I It's basically theft. Yeah. It is.   It is.   It is. And this is why, you know, when they talk about bond markets,   being teetering on the edge,   this is to do with the sort of the final levels of leverage out of the tax base that they've been able to achieve.   Now what they're doing, I would suggest, the game plan is   if you say let's just look at the operations of BlackRock, for example,   and the idea of thinking that Larry Fink is a business genius is just a joke. None of them are that. What they are is they're people who have literally got limitless pockets because their mates are running the credit bureaus and everything else. They don't have to compete in the way that you would have to build a business up from scratch. It's just completely insane. Any guy that's worth more than a billion is a crook.   It's just can't you can't earn that in a lifetime.  



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I mean, you might say, well, if you're under four obscene amount of money. It is. Why why do you even need that kind of money? I mean, you know, it's it's it's what are you gonna do with it? Oh, that's right. Buy people's affections, buy their loyalty, and take over the world. Yeah. You know? It's almost like   well, I mean, you just mentioned BlackRock there. I mean, there's there's there's three, isn't there? There's three main policy makers of the world, and BlackRock's pretty much the leading one at this point. Neither one is,  

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Vanguard, and then there's another one, Park Place. I'd I'd I'd I'd is it something like that? I've heard of Vanguard. I haven't heard of Park Place, but so thanks for that. Yeah. They're probably There's probably a few more. Confused with something. Nah. Yeah. It's alright. I don't think we need to remember all the names. We got the principal really at play. I think that that's the key thing. So,  

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yeah, so I'm not make sure this this is the fun part. This is the fun part. All those all those three investment firms,   they fund one another. It's like it's like a triangle of doom. It's like one funds the other, funds the other, funds the other. Whilst all three of them have basically got, like, 10%, 20% shares in all the other major,   corporate markets around the world. I mean, it's it's you mentioned they've got an iron grip. I I would say you're absolutely bang on. They do have an iron grip, and they don't intend to let go of it. No.  

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They don't. And if you think I mean,   I think once you get these sort of big movements clear in your head about the force that was behind them, and then you look at all the other compare the history that was going on like,   like the, the commons over here when they sort of removed the commons from everybody.   And then it's all to do with land rights and who owns the land. You've also got, you know, William the Conqueror coming over here and saying all this land's mine. You've got to pay me rent to stand on it. This kind of stuff.   All of those things incrementally building up over the last thousand years basically, they're   just part of a sea they're part of an asphyxiation   of our natural way of life.  

I and it remarkably   I think people like us and people that are listening   you still feel I think in your bones   this connection to this old way of life   which is better. It's like honorable, it's right, it's the way that we would actually normally live. The machinery of state, the machinery of so called civilization   is not a benefit.   It's because   it's   it's completely built on stripping you of everything that you've got   and your ability to do stuff. I mean, I still can't you know, I never even bothered looking at things like house documents before and I still find all this stuff so boring instinctively. It's just like, why am I even looking at this stuff? I've obviously, you know, we bought this house. It's ours and the land would do with it what we like. Oh, no. You won't,   sir. This lack of a low deal title in what you're purchasing, and it's it's so they can aggregate it and just control things more and more. I know I'm only stating the bloody obvious,   but I still think it's worth what's radio if it's not repetition. We need to repeat these things. I do think we do.  



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Well, that's how it goes in. That's how you learn, isn't it? It's like thrice repeat. You know, it's like the the first time it goes in, the second time it it it kinda refreshes it, third time it stays. So it's a learning technique. I think I think especially if it's important, I don't see the problem with repeating stuff.   People need to know this stuff,   but, I mean, I find it fascinating. I find all of all history fascinating because, you know, it's it's kinda there. Yeah. It is. It's fascinating in its own role, but it's also there that we've got to learn from it. Because if we don't, we're gonna keep making the same mistakes. And the same unscrupulous powers that are   behind the show, are gonna keep taking control and then, you know, taking everything from us and claiming it all for themselves and claiming billions of pounds and finding new ways to   claim authority over us and, you know, keep us in serfdom or whatever you did this, you know and and what better way to keep people in serfdom   than to institute a financial system that you can never win against unless you're in the club. Yep. You you can't you can't get out. You know, I mean, debts are a perpetual cycle, especially at the minute.  

You know? I mean, I there's there's so many times, especially in recent years, and, you know, I've I've just got out of debt, and the next thing you're in it. And you think, well, how have I got back in it? I've just I've just got out of it. And yet   it just happened, and I'm back in it. And I it's it's so it's a constant struggle to get out of debt. But but they've got everyone doing it now, you know, especially with a load deal ownership and stuff like that. Most people have never even heard of the term. I know you don't own anything unless you got a low deal ownership, and how many people know that? No. They don't. They don't. I'm I'm I'm beginning work on the little law dictionary that I personally need. A low deal title's got to go in there,  

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and jurisdiction. These other fancy words that people oh, I don't what you're talking about. And I understand why they don't, you know, they're not really exposed to these things. It's almost like the words themselves are charged with that evil space called the law and all those evil barristers in black and everything. I mean, it just signifies all these things. You don't wanna be anywhere near them, really. But,   what you just said there as well, the   when when this stuff first sort of got poured into my ears about thirty years ago now I can't believe I just said that. It's weird.   Thirty years ago, madam boy.  

I pretty early on went,   oh. Oh, it is pointless me trying to do anything. That's that was my view. And look, I'm not saying that people can't make successful businesses. They obviously have.   But when you're talking about really making an impact on the world financially, forget it. The games the game was stitched up hundreds of years ago,   and that's why they have all these rituals and all these weird other things that go with it to make sure that once you're in that club,   you ain't ever leaving it except in a coffin. Right. That's it.  

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Seems to me. Every politician with the exception of a few, Lloyd George was one of the few that didn't that has implemented   debt free currency. He's ended up in a wooden overcoat every time. Yep.   Slowly, ain't it? You know? I know. And and then we got asked that question, why?   And why is it when you start to explain about usury to people in the street or anybody, their eyes sort of gloss over it, and you might as well be speaking Swahili because I don't understand a word what you're talking about, even though it's exceptionally simple.  

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Have you found Part part of that, Chris, I think I think a lot of that is to do with technical jargon. They make it sound as boring as possible.   They give the most boring definitions and they and they they draw it. I mean, you know, if anyone   wants to see a good example of this, go and look at Oxford Publishing because they they can make even the most interesting subjects sound boring and laborious. Right? So if if they do that,   then less people look into it. Therefore, less people understand it, and then it becomes a stunted subject unless, again, you're you're one of them. In which case,   you know, it's it's fun and games. It's a monopoly to you, isn't it? Yeah.  



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It is. It's it's a bugger. I still don't really know what the answer is simply because people with considerable power   and financial influence have participated in trying to   restructure it, to reconvey it back to the good.   And as we've said before, in all cases,   in modern terms, their nations have literally been bombed   into ruin.   Mhmm.   It's that desperate a thing. So it seems to me the only way would be through some   I don't know why I'm just talking hot area.   I was gonna play a raspberry then.  

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You know You've got I mean, you've got to do it occasionally, you know, just to keep just to keep the audience,  

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you know Is this all a load of You know?   Is it? Is that what it is?  

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It is. It's tricky. It is.  

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Is it? Because,   you know, because the only other thing really is to try and get across to millions of people   that it can be done. But then we've had I don't know how many flags have gone up. Was it over a million that have gone up? I saw a figure here today saying that these flags have gone up.   And I have to tell you, even though it's possibly a psyop   or it's a a sprout to catch a mackerel, I accept that. I've had that going on. As soon as it started out, we go, how do you ship a billion flags to people in a week? How do you do that? Is everybody ready? Have they got got a million lying around? You know,   all these things, people don't pay attention to that stuff. It's a bit like when those rent a mob turn up, you know, with their   immaculately printed cards  

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and and banners and placards. You go, who did that then? Somebody could be bothered to do that. I don't think so. I mentioned this to somebody earlier as well. It's like, yeah, you know, David likes to got this phrase where it is if it comes out of nowhere and suddenly it's everywhere, it's part of the agenda. And I was thinking about this this this flag thing and and painting in the in the potholes and the bins and all of this stuff. I'm thinking if that was a I'm gonna I'm gonna sound like the mainstream here. If that was a grassroots   operation,   or, you know, if that was if it was a grassroots movement, that would take months to get off the ground. Right? Yes. It would. Shut it down before it even got time to to grow. So this suggests   to me that they're trying to trigger the hell out of people to get them all, you you know, some some kind of nationalistic fervor to make us all look like a bunch of racists. Not that I'm doing that, by the way, because I'm, you know, can't afford a flag or towards money.  

But I I I genuinely suspect some something very malevolent behind this, and people will fall for it. They'll fall for it, and they'll go ahead with it. But equally, I can understand why,   you know?   Yeah. It's  

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well, I'm I'm gonna leave it there because, obviously, you know Well, I can. I I was over in East Sussex yesterday. I went over for Sussex men's,   memorial service yesterday. So,   I mentioned him before.   And anyway, this show's   dedicated to Chris because he's left us now. And, about 20 or 30 people turned up to say goodbye to him, and I gave a little I did a eulogy there, which I really enjoyed giving.   And,   he he called in there a couple of times before things went slightly pear shaped for him. Of course, he's no longer around for now, but good luck on your journey, Chris.   And,   while while we're over there, we're at the pub afterwards because that's what you do. Right? You go to the pub.  

And outside the pub, literally outside of the window, there were three St. George's crosses. And although there's a part of my brain going, okay, that's pretty cool.  

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How did you do that? And I was looking at what they're all fastened on with, what they call them, those ties, those plastic ties. Zip ties. Zip ties. Yeah. Zip ties. And they got yeah. And they're all pierced in the corners. They have all been professionally done, and they're all the same size, all for the same place. Yep. It's organized.  

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It is organized. It's organized. Well,   can the average person afford a flag? Because they're not exactly cheap, are they? Well, that's what I mean. You know, I don't think it's the financial cost, Eric. I actually think it's just the effort of ordering and receiving and all that and putting it into your life. Mhmm.   Well Yeah. Things are really you look how slow it is in this space relatively to that.   Right? I mean, what we really want is we want a campaign where everybody starts marching on the streets saying, shut down the Bank of England. We're not gonna use it no more. That's what I really want. But, you know, I'm living in La La La. Yeah. But but now see that would never get off the ground, would it? They'd shut that down before it started. Yep. Yeah. They would.   And and lots of the roundabouts,   this is the other thing. Those little mini roundabouts, I must have passed about eight, I think it was. I I stopped counting,   that got the two red crosses sprayed on them. Really done well. And I was trying to look at some of the equipment they were using in this stuff and I'm thinking,   how do you all get organized this fast   to do that? Yeah. I mean, look, I'm just a normal block. I think it's a good idea.  

I got time to even, you know,   to get things done and I'm thinking, well, I've got to get some equipment and I need to get some paint. Doesn't it have to be the right paint so that if it rains it doesn't wash off? What paint do I need? How I'm set, you know, you go this is so boring. Yeah. But, somebody   thinks about all these things when a building gets painted. They go, well, you gotta use the right paint, mate. You can't just put you know? So it's all it's very, very   oh, it's a bit too fast.   It's but I like it as well.   Yeah. I know. It or it really does feel like we're being set up. It's to kick some to create some causative reason   for some rook Yeah. That they will then be able to bring in some other   statutes or something. Well, or maybe we're all being distracted with the flags while they're doing something else around the back of the legislative body. Do you know what I mean? It's something like that. They all do that anyway. I mean, it it Yeah. Exactly. I mean, all of these sinister,  

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censorship laws that they brought in over the last couple of years, you know, the ones that are limiting our rights and freedoms galore. I mean, there's always something,   you know, some some distraction in the media, some some major event that's taking place in the country. And before you know it, it's like, oh, well, nobody opposed us, so we just we just let it through. You never said anything, so you should really you're all naughty people for not taking, you know, not paying attention.   But, again, it it just seems too quick, too organized, too professional, and I think   perhaps this is to,   I'm gonna say activate   certain people into   and and it's gonna trigger a civil war if we're not careful. I'll I'll leave it at that. Again, I know we're on YouTube, so I'm gonna try and curve my language a bit. But, you know, it would be a surprise. You need to actually, Nathan, because YouTube's littered  

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with that phrase.   Now there's an American   analyst who lives over here who started talking about this about a year ago, forgotten his name, he's pretty bright guy. And he he's a guy that looks at   civilizations   or nations, countries,   and starts to look at certain signifiers that indicate that there's something fundamentally wrong inside the country, that that there are at least two groups. Right?   My view really of the left is it's completely held up by our tax money. Right? It doesn't really exist on the scale that it actually exists because it's it's it lacks any common sense. I know there are people who have goofily gone completely gone gaga on this and are lost.   And and it's difficult. Yeah. I mean, really, I I'm I'm I was thinking today on the walk, I thought I've got to practice.  

Maybe I've got to practice being able to sit down with one of them   and not say anything and try and listen.   But you see, I don't think we're really talking about politics with these people or I think we're talking about something before that, Like, are you mentally stable or not?   Like, do you have any comment which is a really cocky thing to say. But that's the impact that they have on me, their behavior, the way that they talk,   is that the common sense circuits have been so completely dulled inside them.   Yeah. I don't know where the com where the shared ground is. Do you sort of feel something like that? What do you think?  



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Yes.  

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Well, with with I Are we are we sorry. Just to clarify, we're not talking about the, the walk movement. Right? Yeah. Let's call it the woke movement, you know.  

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Something that is so alien to me. I'm as unwoke as you could possibly get. Not that I would even call myself that. I just literally go,   you know, I'm looking at me and go, you're deaf as a brush, lad. I mean, you know, you haven't worked out out. I I just got all northern and sort of belligerent about it and simplistic   because it actually makes it cheers me up. It's my way of coping with what I see as sort of mass rank stupidity or what's that other thing, mass formation theory.  

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That's really what's kind of going on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a Again, it's a crazy cold it's a cold mentality. It it is. I mean, you know, again, we're gonna be bloody careful now because if we if we call this a mental illness, we become just, you know, some kind of discriminatory   monsters that but I'm not being funny. They they do tend to act a little bit unbalanced. Let's be honest. And they get awfully offended that we're back to the offense thing. They get awfully offended awfully quickly, which tells me that there's something not quite right there. Now you can call that poor parent and poor poor schooling, poor,   you know, societal   models of morality or whatever you wanna go for, but something to me is not right with that whole thing. You know, personal opinion,  

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but there you go. But I think the offending thing that you'd hinted at as well earlier on when, you know, half an hour ago when we first started talking,   I think it's I think it's key   because it's used as a communication tactic of, like, oh, don't your you know, to make you look as though you're bullying someone simply because you actually want to have a calm, emotion free, as best you can,   communication based on sort of a coherent understanding of actuality,   not in terms of fantasies and daydreams and all this other stuff. Yeah. And, of course, we all have those. We go, I wish it were like this. I go, yeah, but it's fine. It's a nice wish, but it isn't. You know, it's not like this. You know, the hard work now is to find out why it's not like that, what caused it. You know. In other words, like doctors of society, can we find the root cause, not the symptoms, you know. The symptoms are all this sort of jumping around and shouting. Why are they jumping around and shouting? And when you actually I've often feel that when you dig down into it, there's actually not much there.   But that's just me or they're so they've decided that they're so sensitive to life   and everything's got to be looked after and you're hurting my feelings,   but they're trained to overreact and there's,  

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you know, it's not how are you supposed to have a conversation with that? That's the main problem is about anything. This is this is the genius of it, mate. You can't have a conversation with it because they shut it down and it's usually being,   predatory or offensive or   aggressive or or making microaggressions   and things like that.   I mean, I I I'd like to think I'm still part of a generation that was semi sane growing up. Whereas they they used to tell you to, you know, grow a thick skin, take it on the nose. Right? Take it on the cheek. You you kind of people are people are always gonna,   take something that you've said wrong. There's always gonna be somebody that disagrees with you. Stop being so sensitive. You know? What happened to that mentality? That was that was a strength mentality. That that was telling you to toughen up. You're going into the world. It's not all rosy. And, you know, somebody out there is gonna say something that you don't like, and you can react to it   emotionally   and get all offended and and do that. But it's not really showing a maturity level. It's not really showing   intellectual prowess or or, you know, it's it's demonstrating   that we have become an immature,   overly emotional,   regressive, subjective   people   worldwide   that that panda to that mentality   because we've been bullied into   effectively not being able to speak our mind   for fear of upsetting somebody's feelings. What the hell? When did that when when was that a thing?  



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Have you noticed, though, these people always come from crappy parts of cities?   All of them.   They're city folk. They're not country folk because country folk are a different mindset.   And I've noticed this time and time again, it's always city folk that are like that. They're not from around these airports.  

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They're not. They're not. But it's easy Yeah.   It's it's easy to condition people in the city because you've got close proximity. You've got large population density, and you've got you've got, you know, schools. You've got you've got all these metro metropolitan schools. I don't even know if I if I'm saying that right anyway. But, you know,   where where this they can they can have a bigger, quicker effect on on the people's minds in a city.   Whereas if you're in a rural area, people tend not to put up with that so much. Precisely.  

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Precisely. Yep. And, you know,   but look what happened. We was talking about this,   the other night   about that,   mouse utopia   that's in your book. Yeah. Make or bake.  

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I didn't know you'd covered that in your book, Nathan. That's brilliant that you covered it. It's really good. Yeah. Sorry. It opens up with a mouse utopia. It's,  

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yeah. Sorry. Sorry, guys. Two minutes. No. It's alright.  

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And No. Carry on, mate. Carry on. It's okay. What I was gonna say is look what happens.   And the society of the the mice   is actually we're doing the same. We're going to stay on the same road as the mice.   And it was it was pure socialism   that they're doing. And I think, not sure. Nathan would be able to correct me on this. He ended up with just one mouse left. It's just one male left.   That was it. The the the whole,   fabric of their society just broken down   because   the females,   all they wanted was sex,   and   they they destroyed   their young   because they couldn't be bothered to because they're in luxury. And what they did, they just ate a lot, destroyed their young.  

The mouse were wasn't that interested in sex. They're more interested in preening themselves and make themselves look, you know. And  

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They they they referred to them as the beautiful ones. The ones the outlying mice. The ones that They did. The ones that legged it to so basically, it's like, right. We're getting hell out of here.  

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We can see what's happening. We don't wanna get devoured. Let let's sod this arm off. The parallels are are freaky and very uncomfortable. If if you don't know what kinda what we're talking about, there was a guy what's his name? I can't remember. A behavioral   John  

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John b Calhoun? Or Calhoun. Calhoun.  

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Doctor Calhoun. Yeah. And you look at look at mouse utopia, you'll find a lot. He basically ran these experiments three or four times all with the same result.   He create an environment where the mice literally had no predators. They had   food supplied to them, so they didn't even need to forage or do anything like that. They had a maze to run around in to keep them entertained.   It was at the perfect temperature for mice all the time, and he starts off, I think, with about six or eight mice, and off they go doing what mice do. And after a few weeks, there's 7,000 of them or something, you know. But they go pretty quickly at this stuff. As the thing builds up and space gets a little bit   tighter,   their behavior patterns start to change considerably   and   like, you know, Nathan was just saying there by the way, Nathan, just let you know, Alice Gorgeous writes, Paul, your guest voice has a lovely Scouse twang. Now do you want to be outraged now or later?  



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I mean, I can do I can do a Scouse accent quite well, but,   I mean,   Alice, you're you're slightly at the opposite end of the country. I'm I'm Northeast, not Northwest, but there you go. Thank you for the for the compliment. That's very nice. Yeah. It's good. So let's go. Twang. She's just saying you've got a good twang. We'll forget about the scout's bit. Thanks, Alice. What? I mean, you know, it's a good job she didn't say good anyway without the tea. Let's let's carry on.  

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Yeah. So   wow. It's funny. Eric really has had an effect on you, Nathan. It's getting terrible. It's getting well out of order. Oh, I know. I know. I'm trying to be good. You know? It's really bad.   Yeah. Mice. Anyway, it was it was bliss. It was literally nothing, and it all went   basically to mouse shit instead of dog shit. It just went really, really bad. So there were these there were these, you know, lone male mice would go off and just preen all day. I think we know what that's referring to. They just sort of sit there, sort of tighten themselves up. Didn't show any interest in sort of going out with the opposite sex, like incels. Isn't that the thing? Voluntary incelibos or whatever it is these days. All this jargon stuff.  

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Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You got me excited there because the the so the right. So the whole red pill movement, the mid toe movement, or manosphere. Right? You link that in into the whole feminist thing. I'm not I'm not gonna go with men or women. I'm just saying that Oh, go on. Have a massive style.   No. Not just yet. Not just yet. This this book, we'll do this later, but there is a massive sign up in operation.   And and it's they I mean, you you compare   those movements, both of them, which are now actively fighting against each other.   You compare that to the mouse utopia,   and it's you could you could you could overlay it on top of it and say that's happening. That's happening. That's happening. And, oh, god. What comes next? We're gonna start devouring each other. And so the beautiful ones, they're like, nah. We're getting out. So they're they're the incels. But that's not really gonna solve the problem, is it?  



[00:54:47] Unknown:

You know? Well, no. I mean, it's not. I but the parallels are freaky, and that's why it's worth everybody going off and taking a look. By the way, big shout out to everybody in the chat on Rumble and YouTube. Great to have you guys and gals as usual. It's great. And I'm looking at it now. We We just had the opening sort of chat bit, so I'm trying to sort of keep up and and and what's going on. But,   it's definitely worth everybody looking into. Of course, what you were just saying there about devouring one of the the female mice started to kill their own children.   This did happen. Yeah.  

And,   it just became hell,   basically.   Now, I I think that, you know, not the way mice actually, I think you could probably make a good case that some people have got the moral courage of mice these days, which is a bit sad. I don't even like saying it, but, you know, it sounds awfully cocky. We've all got our weak moments and our weak parts where we could easily be sort of, you know, bent over a bit and sort of, you know, corrupted, but,   I think it's to do the commonality to me is the lack of challenge.   They literally had no challenges in their life at all. Nothing. They didn't have to lift a little mouse paw   or whatever they're called. Their mouse have paws? I don't know what they have. Little mouse foot.  

They didn't have to do anything   Yeah. To just get by. They slept great, it was always the right temperature, never any rain, never got cold, they never had to get out of the cold, they never had to go off and run away from a predator or hide in a bush and learn mouse things which are instinctively built into them. Look at us. We don't we're sort of in, you know, like Eric's you say, Eric, you're absolutely right. Cities breed. You don't realize this. They're kind of attractive when you're young. You think, well, that's where the money is. I'll go in there. I'll become Bob Big Nose or whatever it is, you know, and all this kind of stuff. But the more you look at it and stand back and look at cities, it produces a kind of aberrated behavior.   And all the major cities of the West have got it going on. Berlin, London, Toronto, New York, Chicago.  

You know, it's Los Angeles. It gets it degenerates. It becomes a mouse There's a song about that for more.  

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Is there?  

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Well, if there we'll write our lyrics and we'll make a million, lads. Let's release a hit single.  

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But The shoes he's from else something like that. It'll be equivalent to a tenor.  

[00:57:00] Unknown:

It would. Was was there any frip? Yeah. But it doesn't say. Was there any, Freemason mice  

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in there? Was there did they did they start on Masonic? I think you I think you've just found your next research project, Eric. Go find it. Yes. Sorry. Can can you repeat the question there? Right. Hold on. Repeat.  

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Are there any freemason   mice?  

[00:57:20] Unknown:

Yes. Basonic mice. Yeah. With a little  

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Bisonic mice. Smoke   in the bullshit. I mean,  

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Well You don't need to. Yeah. I'd I'd some I had some funny mushrooms today. Probably that's the reason why.  

[00:57:39] Unknown:

Well, I mean, you probably shouldn't be saying that online. Let's be honest. I think when you eat breakfast regularly at Fockem Hall, things get into your blood stream, and you're thinking that none of us can really contemplate it. I think there are strange things that are occurring internally with Eric.   And we're we're all a little bit of a disadvantage because we're not on the Fockem diet, and we need to be. I think it would be really good. That's right.  

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Anyway, look, we're at the end of the minute. I'm now planning to say what's food?  

[00:58:05] Unknown:

Yeah. We're we're gonna take a little short break. Actually, it's gonna be a little bit longer than usual. What did I what was I gonna do? We're gonna do the station ID. Look at this, making it all boring. And then I'm gonna play a song,   which we haven't   we've heard we haven't heard in ages and I'm dying to play it. So we're gonna do it only once this time, but I'm gonna play. And then there's a little sketch coming up. Okay? An amusing sketch. Ah.  

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Okay. I hope it's a sketch that you put on, by the way. It was bloody funny.  

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I'm sorry to respond to it, but it's really cool. Might be an amusing sketch. Might be. Anyway, so we're gonna go station ID,   song, sketch, and we'll be back. It'll be about six or seven minutes. Okay? So if you need to make a cup of coffee or go do your ablutions or whatever you need to do or threaten the kids so you know jumble the cats. Waterfall time. Yeah. Or go and stand at the moon and contemplate eternity.   Now might be a good time, or you could just stay listening. Anyway, we'll be back in about five or six minutes after this little lock.  

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Are you embarrassed easily?   I am.   But it's nothing to worry about. It's all part of growing up and being British.   This course is designed to eliminate embarrassment,   to enable you to talk freely about rude objects,   to look at awkward and embarrassing things, and to point at people's privates.   The course has been designed by doctor Karl Gruber of the Institute of Going a Bit Red in Helsinki.   Here, he himself introduces the course.  

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Hello. My name is Karl Gruber. Thank you for inviting me into your home. My method is the result of six years work here at the institute   in which subjects were exposed to simulated embarrassment predicaments   over prolonged thought. Period. Time.   Sorry.   Lesson one,   words.   Do any of these words embarrass you?   Shoe,  

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megaphone,   grunties.  

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Now let's go on to something ruder.  

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Wankle rotary engine.  

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Now lesson two, noises.   Noises are a major embarrassment source.   Even words like tits, winkle, and vibraphone cannot rival the embarrassment potential of sound.   Listen to this if you can.   How do you rate your embarrassment response?   A, hi. B, hello. C, good evening.   F c. You are loosening up and will soon be ready for this.   Well, how did you rate?   A. Embarrassed.   B, hello. C, good evening.   Now lesson three, in which these rude and dirty sounds are combined with smutty visual suggestions into an embarrassment simulation situation.   You are the waiter at this table.  



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Charles,   I've got something to show you.  

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Score five for no embarrassment,   score three for slight embarrassment,  

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and one for good evening. Any of it. The Good evening. Modem repeats, obviously, begin repeating shortly.   Port?   Good evening, and, welcome back. So there you go.   I thought we'd get all the smutty stuff into one big block there to get it out of our system.   It seemed not only right, fair, and proper. I hope it's not goaded you into more stuff, but,   there we go. That was, of course,   happy days are here again, and that was, the embarrassment sketch with, doctor Karl Gruber from Going a Little Bit Red in Helsinki.   Obviously, from the pythons, one of my favorite sketches ever to which I've drunk Same here. Tens of cups of coffee in my life while playing Risk and laughing my socks off,  

[01:05:55] Unknown:

in my teenage years. So that's what that's what we used to get up to, and it's still very, very funny, rude, and smutty to this day. So I I've gotta be honest, Paul. I I thought I thought some of the voice acting was genuinely like Eric. I thought I thought the laugh and and, you know, some of the voice because it's just he says some of this stuff. Anyway, I'm thinking, oh, this is clever. He he's managed to mishmash some kind of weird,   like, in interlude with with Eric Von Essex as the main actor. I was I I didn't know whether to be,   Porsche's I mean, it was it was it was a bit bizarre, though.  



[01:06:26] Unknown:

Yeah. Well, I think it's our generation, Nathan. It's pretty sad.   I I suppose it is quite sad. It's kind of almost embarrassing but schoolboys of which I was one and I'm assuming Eric probably was one, maybe two. I don't know. Yeah.   School, the sixth form common room was just full of people reciting these sketches, and and did you see the show last night, and all this kind of stuff. Right? It went on for years   and years because it was just   way way better than anything. It was just mad. And do you know? It was brilliant. Do you know where else?  

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Had a huge following.   You at Monty Python, I had a huge following in Germany.   Seriously. That that, like, a cult following   to it. And,   but I love that, Peter Cook and W Moore sketch that you sent to me. The,   days ago. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I had that one. Yeah. But thanks for sending. Sorry. I didn't I noticed I didn't respond to it, and I should have done. But, I respond to it now. It was bloody fantastic. I was off my seat crying with laughter.   I I actually  

[01:07:27] Unknown:

what happened is I choked on my cup of coffee, and I stroking coffee all over the place. I'm laughing so much. Well, we could dig it up later, but I don't we might just simply get a reputation. We just really should probably call it instead of Paul English like the toilet humor show or something or, you know, extra added toilet humor with every episode, although not as much as Fockham Hall. I don't really know what to do about it. We're gonna get locked into this space, and we're never gonna be able to move out. It's just people tune in purely for the fart gags,   and we're gonna have to rein in. I mean, I'm probably gonna get a phone call. I mean, you've got a station   the station controller any minute now, and they're just gonna say stop that. Cut that out right now. That's enough. Sorry if you're offended anybody out there.  



[01:08:08] Unknown:

That's pretty humor for you. Because I was thinking you're gonna get offended by something.  

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Yep.  

[01:08:14] Unknown:

Yeah. Absolutely. Well So I've I've offended so far. What was it? Tattoo people have tattoos. People that are fat. I don't know where that one came from.   What is it now? Oh, and,  

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I'm fat. P   I'm right offended. I used to be. Offended you.  

[01:08:32] Unknown:

Hey. Hey. I I genuinely used to be fat. Did you? Not now. I'm I'm kinda trim now. So yeah. Seriously. I I was, sort of You were a baby goat away. At one point. Yeah. Yeah. And and do you know do you know the funny thing is a lot a lot of, let's say, overweight people, like, they they don't like to take the blame, whereas I'm like, yeah. I did this. I I ate way too much. So now I've gotta fix the problem myself. Yeah. A bit like that. I have no idea how this happened. To you. Well, you are eating three gin donuts every morning for breakfast. You still I have no idea how it happened. Yeah. You've been doing it for ten years.  

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That's how it happened.   Yeah.  

[01:09:07] Unknown:

I mean, a lot of it nicer.   A lot of it could be down on, you know, mental illness and and, you know, what? Yeah. I did with me, it was just like, oh, oh, this has got out of control. I've gotta I've gotta pull this in because otherwise, it's just gonna get worse and worse, isn't it?   So,  

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you know, anyway so I'm kinda trim again now. I I I think I'm doing alright. Oh, yes. Yes. There you go. Yeah. That's it. But, actually, peep people are astounded when I tell them my weight.   Nine stone.  

[01:09:36] Unknown:

That's a I mean, that that's like that's like feather featherweight, isn't it? Yeah. That's like being barely alive, Eric. I don't even know what that means.  

[01:09:45] Unknown:

I'm not a vegan. I assure you, I'm a meat eater. I'm just thinking, sir, when you're on your bike, if it's a strong headwind, you're just going nowhere. But if you gotta go up a hill, you'd go up it like a jackrabbit, I assume,   at nine stone. Well,  

[01:09:58] Unknown:

yes. And also the wind carries him. No. He's that light. The wind does the the cycle for him. It's like he put a sail on the end of it. He's got no problems. Yeah. But, yeah, but I'm five foot seven, which is I don't know. It's it's a bit short, innit? Five foot seven. Yeah. I'm eight foot three. That that can So it's it's a real problem. Oh. Oh, he's he's he's an he's an anonarchy.  

[01:10:18] Unknown:

Yeah. Hi. Yeah. I've got this big elongated brain hanging over the back of my collar. Nice. It's really exhausting. Gives me neck ache, bloody massive brain in there.   Yeah. So oh, hi. Yeah. I come from a long line of Anunnakis.  

[01:10:33] Unknown:

Anonakis?   Oh, dear. Can't be an Anonakis.  

[01:10:36] Unknown:

Yeah. I I should've gone for Nephilim. Shouldn't I for that one? Yes. There were there were giants on the earth in these days, and it's called Paul English.  

[01:10:45] Unknown:

Yeah. I'm not that big. There's   a wonderful Python sketch about height that I've got to actually, I think it only works visually, really. It's ridiculous.   It's   my mate showed it. I'd I'd missed it for years. I first saw it about 1995,   so that's what, like, twenty five years after the show ended or something, and, or twenty years.   It's about an archaeologist and he's   attacked. He keeps laughing at this other guy because he's not high he's not tall enough.   It's   very funny. It's very, very funny. Ridiculous.   It's archaeology all based on how tall the archaeologists can be. It's got nothing to do. Anyway, you've got to see it. I'll shut up. Let's move on because you've got to sort of show the You think you can see the senses there. Yeah. Well, it's just, you know, it's a bit lame, me describing a joke that you can't see. I was just thinking I thought, could I dig it up and play it? But, actually, I don't think it'd come across audio wise. I'll check it out maybe for next week. I'll have a look. It's the thing that really does require the visuals.  



[01:11:45] Unknown:

I don't know. I just wanna pull you up on sorry. Two two seconds. I just wanna pull you up on something you said about five minutes ago there, Paul. You said about, you you apologized about your generation being a bit weird. I I think compared to today's generations, that can be very much forgiven. I I don't think you're weird in retrospect. I mean, you know, it's 2025   now. You've got a lot of competition, haven't you? I mean, so if your generation's weird, what do we call this one?  

[01:12:08] Unknown:

Yeah. I suppose what weird's the wrong slightly what's the word? Eccentric. I mean,   I don't know. I was kind of to some degree yeah. It was it was good.   It was good. And I went I mean, I actually think as well schoolboy humor for me came about because the school I went to had nothing but boys in it. That's the first thing.   I went to an all boys grammar school and, So I'm gonna say how boring was that then? It was fantastic. I mean, that must have been a bit It was absolutely fan oh, yeah. I I didn't wanna go to a school with girls. Okay.   It's not I didn't like girls. It's that I just thought I'd end up liking them too much.  

And,   Yeah. Distractions.   Yeah. I actually just thought this is just me being a a sort of an because I I sat in 11 plus and got through that And then, so I could go to a grammar school if I wanted to, and my cousin had been. And I was kind of impressed my with my cousin who is six foot four. Right? Really, just enormously, even to this day, in his seventies now. A big lad. And, he was sort of full of life and everything and and played rugby for the school team and all that kind of stuff, and I hated rugby. I ended up playing in the school team for two years, didn't even know the rules. I was playing rugby for two years. Every time we scored a try, I'm going, is that it?   I was, like, so underwhelmed by it. I hear. But you get shouted at so much.  

It does you good. It's alright. It's a game that you play just to get beaten up and then roll in the mud for a bit, isn't it? That's what I mean. As well. Oh, yeah. Everything, actually. Yeah. I got to be spat at all the time. Yeah. And you learn some interesting words in the scrum, and everybody's sort of thumping one another and stuff like that. Oh, it's like this, is it? I spent two years under Dave Kelly's armpit on the second row, and I tell you, that was I won't wish that on anybody. It came to me.   He was a nice lad, very quiet, but huge. Absolutely enormous guy. Right? Massively bigger than the rest of us. He sort of burst into adolescence about six months before everybody else. He was massive,   and his armpits were sort of the signature tune of him really.  

Anyway, so there we go. Yeah. It's sort of fun and, anyway, some people were really into it and loved it and I want one of them. I was I said, can we play football? What's that for? Puffs. It was like that. So that was it really. Yeah. You just had to go and then there was a every year, there was a sixth form versus the Masters rugby match and that was seriously heavy. The Masters really got stuck in. So it was a bit like it it sort of taps into that sort of public school thing. It wasn't a public school. It's just boys grammar school. I have to tell you that if I was in charge, they'd come straight back and I'd I'd create single sex education again. Because I think the awkwardness between boys and girls is a rare   time in life   and, I think girls need it just as much as boys because girls can acquire all their power   at that time. I just think it's way way better whereas I mean look I don't know quite what I'm talking about. I just think the overt wearing of makeup which was going on and stuff is all of just a bit too young. What's the rush? Honest really what is the rush? So I'm just no fart when it comes to that kind of stuff, but I can't see how mixing everybody you see, the reason I'm suspicious of it is that it's post war. Therefore, it's crap.  

It'll be commie. There'll be a commie reason for it for creating comprehensive education,   and it's not comprehensive. So  

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is is that, like, is that this for this country only? Sorry. Because this this is this is interesting to me. So,   like, pre pre war,   are we saying that all the schools are, like,  

[01:15:30] Unknown:

like single sex schools? Or No. I don't know. Because my well, I don't know. Because I don't know when high schools came out. My I think there was just school. My dad just went to school. I don't know when he started. I'm assuming five, maybe six or something.   So he would have gone to school about 1930   and he left at the age of 14,   which would have been 1939.   And I don't remember him telling me he went to two different schools.   He just so he left at 14. He didn't even stay on school after 14. All in time to leave school, isn't it? Sorry sorry to interrupt there. I'm just thinking it. So he left school at nineteen thirty nine. I mean, that's that's that's just bad timing, isn't it? Well, not really. Well, it was because he wanted to get in the war. So he had to wait till he was 17 till 1942,   and then he enlisted immediately and went into the navy because that's what So he wanted he wanted to go in? Yeah. I think, you know, I never talked to him about it too much. I think maybe he thought maybe if the world's all gonna get blown up, if I get in a boat, I might see some of it before it's all gone. I don't know.  

You gotta remember I mean, back then, there were no airlines. There were no jets. Nobody went anywhere. It was expensive. Nobody had cars. My dad grew up, you know, nobody had them. Not in the nineteen thirties and forties really. Not working class people. And that's, you know, that's what I've come for and all that kind of stuff. They just most people just didn't have that gear. They didn't have a phone at home.   You've got the postal service. You're writing letters to Auntie Lille in Bournemouth or whatever you're doing back then. You're reading books and newspapers.   And in my dad's case, he was working in the co op from the age of 14. He got some great tales from that. I mean, I think he just had such a laugh in the co op working with these blokes that were in their twenties and thirties, you know, serving missus Ekman Dwight fruit and stuff. I just love it. It just sounds great to me. So it's a real life training from 14 to 17 and then it yeah. He was a great swimmer,   which I mean, sort of ridiculous. He was like a human cork. He could float in two feet of water. It was ridiculous. I how do you do that? I remember being a kid. I've said this before. They they owned a swimming pool in Leeds called the Olympics   and the really asshole thing about the Olympic pool is it was one meter short of being Olympic standards, and they'd spent tens of millions, and it was useless. They couldn't use it because they'd measured it up wrong.  

But my dad used to go in the kiddie pool when I was there. He used to flow in two feet of water, and I was just sinking it. And I'm going, how do you I was But but really cross with him. I just couldn't do it. Really? But by the by the way,  

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did you know that Monica is in the studio? Monica Schafer.   Paul.  

[01:18:00] Unknown:

Is she?   Oh, wow.   Fantastic. It's a good job you alerted me because I'd sent a message to my well, I've not even builder and everything, so this is awkward for me, isn't it? I'd actually sent a message to Monica, but it doesn't Monica, if you can hear me, we love you dearly and I'm gonna bring you Sorry about that. It's good job you spotted that, Eric. I didn't really know. So let's bring Monica in. We're still waiting. Little conversation.   We can. Absolutely.   So Yes. Dum dum dum dum dum. Oh, yeah.  

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Now you think you never met Monica, but but I I have met Monica. We've we've had an interesting chat. Yeah. Yeah. We've we've, only once though. So Yes. Yeah. We've Hi, Monica.  

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Hello, Monica.  

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Well, hello there. I've been eavesdropping   to eaves what's the word? Eavesdropping?  

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Yes. Eavesdropping. Eavesdropping.  

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Eavesdropping. You have? Eavesdropping.  

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Or rabbit droppings. In which case, someone's gone wrong.  

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Yes. And, you know,   at the top of the hour, you had that comedy sketch on. That was Eric laughing, wasn't it?  

[01:19:02] Unknown:

Yes. But he wasn't I only thought he was.   Yeah. It was just coughing. I was laughing the head off. Yeah. That's what I thought. Right. Okay. I'm just being slow then, Alan. I'm just I'm just I'm blaming it on the pale ale that he told me to bring along. I I I am genuinely drinking the pale ale, by the way.  

[01:19:17] Unknown:

There's only one one   Eric that that one Eric laughter guy. Like,   that that's the only one of the kind. Like, you couldn't have duplicated that.   It's good. Anyway, yeah. I've been eavesdropping   and and,   I didn't get that message from you, Paul. I looked in the usual places, but who knows who knows what happened. But I I did have it in my calendar last Thursday of the month. So  

[01:19:41] Unknown:

here I am. That's all good. I I let's not talk about it because I've all I this will be the second relatively embarrassing thing that's happened to me today in terms of   arrangements and timekeeping and stuff like that. I had a disastrous start to my day today, which I can't talk about on air because I'm still recovering from it, but it was ridiculous.  

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And, Oh, things things do happen in threes. You know that, don't you? Oh, no. What's gonna happen next? Like this. Oh, god. Yeah. Exactly.   That's what you gotta   make it be something   trivial and small so that you can avoid, you know, the the bigger sort of thing that might happen.  

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I will. Anyway, how how are you? It's yeah. It is a month since we we saw you.   And,   I hadn't sent a message through to you, but let's not talk about that because it's, you know, it just adds to my embarrassment, really, which is considerable.   It's a good job I don't have a webcam right now because I I am the color of a small beetroot.   But,   yeah. How are things in jolly old are you flying any flags in Canada? They've gone berserk over here, you know, with flags. Everybody's going bonkers with it. Oh my goodness.  

[01:20:44] Unknown:

Yeah. No. I've been I've been seeing some of that stuff that's going on in England, and and it's just unbelievable.   Some of the craziness over there, like, somebody got arrested for   saying I love bacon or something in front of a mosque. Is that Oh. Correct?  

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Oh, you're like, I wish you'd not said that. This this video is gonna get banned now.  

[01:21:04] Unknown:

Oh, is that right?   Well, I happen listen, I happen to love I happen to love bacon myself. So   we'll just say it's all about, you know, the menu. That what was on the breakfast menu today. Yeah. So  

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And the sausages. Don't forget the sausages too.  

[01:21:22] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.   But there are some pretty crazy things going on in Canada at the moment in terms of, you know, these,   indigenous   peoples. They call themselves first nations, but they're not really. But   it's getting pretty insane here. They're they're starting to   roll it out now and setting the the precedent of,   okay, give us our land. That's what they say, and and they've already done that in Richmond, BC. That's a kind of a heavily populated area near near Vancouver there. And they've just declared it's theirs, and that's what happened. So I'm not sure exactly what's gonna happen now, but,   yeah.  

Near Vancouver. How it's going over here.  

[01:22:06] Unknown:

My son was just over at Niagara Falls the other day   and was telling me other end other end of the country. I know. Yeah. So he was at Niagara Falls and was was letting me know that you can run across it and see lots of jolly Canadians, and you can just go into Canada a bit and then, you know,   steal your way back. And that there was a whole bunch of water there. We don't say that in England, of course.   But,   Terry Gilliam of the Python team once referred to lots of water, all the Great Lakes as there's a big bunch of water down there. But he had been in Toronto. That was the relevant point. He'd been in Toronto,   and he was telling me that   they'd come out of was it the airport? I think it was. Or maybe some bus station. They'd got a bus from the airport and gone into Toronto,   and they came out and   he found   parts of it fine and another bit that they were in he thought was not fine at all. Was it actually quite menacing? In fact, there was a guy, he said about eight yards behind them,   who was obviously out of his tree,   who was just shouting very aggressively at the world. Nobody in particular couldn't even focus on anybody. And the next thing he was kicking 10 bells out of a brick wall. The the brick wall won, of course.  

So that he said it was over. I'm not too bad, but he thought if that guy comes near me, I'm gonna have to get stuck in,   of which goes probably very unwise. You don't really know about these things. But I just thought I'd mention   that to you about Toronto. I've never been to Toronto,   and, don't know if I ever will get there. But, overall, he had a cracking time. He had a really good time sort of flitting around in that part of the world, and,  

[01:23:41] Unknown:

that was kind of it. That was good. Yeah. It does seem that there's a lot of unhingedness   unhinged folks these days just all over the place. It's just a bunch of unhingedness   going   on. I I wonder why. You know? Do you think it might have something to do with the nonstop   war that's been waged against us in the, you know, last few decades   and really accelerating these days. So   a lot of people are getting pretty unhinged.  

[01:24:07] Unknown:

Well, what we were discussing,   the the whole unhinged I mean, people are massively unbalanced these days, which   I I I'm just gonna stick to what I said earlier. I think it's all very deliberate, and I think it's very effective.   We it's you know, we've dropped we've dropped in immaturity. We've dropped in common sense. Our IQs have dropped. I wonder why.   Education standards have dropped, and and people tend to get, you know, a little bit upset too easy, you know, these days. And I think it's all linked. In fact, I know it's all linked because the research I did recently, but there you go. All part of the smart agenda.  

[01:24:40] Unknown:

Yes. I think you're right. And hello. Greetings, by the way. I haven't really said hello. I just kinda stormed into the room here. But Oh, sorry, Monica. It's good to see you again. Well, I'll speak to you again. I like you that you stormed in. It's good. Storming in was good. It was the right thing to do.  

[01:24:57] Unknown:

How is your brother? By the way, is your brother still is he okay? Because, I mean, if he   says if he says I like bacon, he and they say did you say that? He could've said, no. I'm telling porkies. Sorry. It's a terrible one.  

[01:25:09] Unknown:

No. My brother is doing great, actually, and we just did another   episode of our,   show yesterday. Those darn Shafer kids, we did another one of those on over on FTJ Media yesterday, and   and, he he just spent that month in jail and got out just maybe two weeks ago. Yeah. I I think it's exactly two weeks ago. The judge let him out even though he gave him a sentence of ten months for, you know, some more words and stuff that that that they don't like us to utter. Naughty words. Naughty words. That's right. And Like they were saying on that thing, was was it to shoe or,  

[01:25:45] Unknown:

one called rotary injuring that you were saying? I'm just wondering. I have any  

[01:25:50] Unknown:

Anyway, but Alfred is just higher than a kite, doing great,   very spirited. He said that month in jail that he just spent there recently was the best month,   you know, most important month in his life.   Most recently because he he just sees the,   not only are things accelerating in terms of, you know, what's being done to us, but   the awakening   is just in overdrive. And he says the experience he had in prison for a month there recently just proved that to him in spades. Like, anybody with   more brain cells than your average fence post   was just getting it right now. Like, they see the picture clear crystal clear. It's almost like that's where the clear thinking people are now   more so, and then he comes back out into zombie land in the open air prison that we call the so called free world. So that he found very interesting. And and I   asked him, you know,   are you talking about the prisoners or the guards? He says both. Both. Both. Both. Like, it's it's just incredible, you know, this,   general understanding of what's going on, which means that it's an it's an energizer force. I mean, that's the first step is understanding what's going on. And and he said this is gonna   it it's kinda like a volcanic   eruption that you can't hold it back.  

So   people are you know, the the response is gonna be like a volcanic reaction. I mean, he calls the whole thing like a, you know, the biological   there will be a biological response to a biological problem.   So, anyway, that's he's he's really doing well, I would say.  

[01:27:34] Unknown:

Do you think action. Would would,   does he recommend then that it might be good for all of us to spend   a short spell in prison? Does he does he think that that might be quite good? We might get revived and revitalized back?   Al Alfred Schaffer's head tips. One, say some naughty words   and take a few weeks off from civilization   in a nice prison   and associate with other people who have got nothing else better to do than to wake up and to talk to one another. One of the most electrifying atmospheres I've ever been. I could just see it. Alfred Schaeffer says Yeah. Go to jail. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.  

[01:28:11] Unknown:

You know? Well, I mean, I guess everybody has to   confront this issue   the way they deem   fit. And everybody will have a a different way of confronting what's going on. Yeah. And so we're not gonna prescribe that for anybody. Put it that way. However,   people do need to   shed   their fear of consequences because you see,   when people say, oh, well, I might lose my job or I might this or I might that. Well,   if we don't get this right,   we're all going to lose all of those things that we're all trying to hang on to and that we're just kind of   going along being super ultra careful   and and, you know, afraid that we might lose our job or might lose this or might lose a few friends or this or that. Well, it's gonna soon be turning around to the point that   you're gonna lose friends if you do not   confront the system. Whatever way you deem   you, the general listener out there, that you deem fit, and everybody does have   their own role to play. It's not gonna be identical to each other's role.  

We don't prescribe that for anybody.   So, you know, it it your role might be a very small role, but something.   Everybody needs to do something. We really are   in  

[01:29:35] Unknown:

of the eleventh of the eleventh hour, whatever it is. Can I say? Yes. Can I back you up there, Monica? Because because this this is the problem that I'm seeing now. It's alright saying that we need to get the information out and wake people up and okay. We've done that, and I think we've been relatively successful doing that.   So so as the information is now out there, now they're trying to censor us to curb that. Okay. That that tells me we've been relatively successful.   So now we need people to stand on conviction and and and actually do something about this. Because as you say, the longer we wait before we before we take action, the longer we wait before we start to, you know, assert our rights and freedoms and   and stop complying with this tyranny,   the bloodier it's gonna get, the worse it's gonna get, the tougher the fight is gonna get. And and, unfortunately,   I just don't see   people having the conviction until they're pushed into a corner where it's like the corner dog syndrome. You know, you've gotta eventually, it'll bite. But at what at what cost? I mean, surely,   is it not better to bite when you've got the high ground?  

You know? Yes. And and the ground is being taken from us,   rather rapidly at the minute, and so that's that's what concerns me.   You know, how how do you galvanize that?  

[01:30:46] Unknown:

Very, very good, Nathan, what you're saying. And and it's like, in in three words, engage the system. That's Alfred's phrase. Engage the system whatever way that may be.  

[01:30:59] Unknown:

So yeah. That's yeah. I just wanna underline what you said. Thank you. I just I just thought you said it really well, actually. The I mean, it's again, it's it's on point and it's up and people need to pay attention to this because it's not gonna solve itself.   You know? No. The the the bankers and the politicians and the round tables and all of the people pulling the strings behind the scenes, they are not just gonna relinquish power. They're not gonna relinquish control. They have worked for centuries.   I I would argue millennia,   in a long long game. But, you know, they they haven't done all this just to say, oh, well, never mind. We'll just give it back to no. They're gonna take everything.  

They won't stop. That's right. They won't stop until we stop them. Right. It's a satanic mindset. I mean, the the the whole idea of of satanism is service to self. And unless somebody stops that, they see that as tacit consent. They see that as as a as a green light. It's like, okay. Well, if we can get away with it, nobody's gonna stop us. Alright.   They they say that's fair game. It's not,   but, you know, people need to get off their asses and and I'm I'm not saying   do anything violent, nothing like that. I'm not advocating for violence. I'm advocating for for common sense. I'm advocating for a little bit of,  

[01:32:10] Unknown:

the box clever, you know? Well, I I think I think regular meeting and talking with local people is a must   because   it reinforces   that little thread of courage that people have can grow   because people require to see agreement   amongst a group. They just do.   No one wants to be isolated or stand alone   at all,   although they might admire those people that can do that. The   it's this cohesive thing, the sort of unwritten agreement that builds up. It has changed. We were saying earlier, Monica, that the flag thing, although it's,   in one way,   I there's a part of me that says this is really good   because, there's a lot of flags going up. There's the other part of us rightly saying, how do you put up a million flags then in a week? How do you organize that? We think,   seriously, that a very strong possibility here is that there is an organizing hand behind this. I mean, I don't think that's too difficult to see. When you when you look at the amount of energy it takes to organize things,   to transmit them to people. It's too efficient. It's too quick. Yeah. All those people are doing things. They're all doing things. And yet for a long period of time, no one's done much at all. And then suddenly,   thousands of people are putting flags up. How did that all happen? It's quite and the dialogue that's going around it is interesting. I mean, I at first, I thought, is it just a pressure valve release   for the summer? Let's give them something to think about over August or whatever. It's, you know, lots of people are off. The kids are off off school.  

People are they've probably come back from their holidays. They're twiddling their thumbs. Yeah. We'll get them to put some flags up, raise a bit of hope, then we'll find some way to squash it. This tends to be the way that it goes. You know, we go we've just made them go one step back, but they're they're they're planning on that or they've organized that so they can go the next two steps forward with their sort of thing,   which sounds I don't wanna be cynical about it. I wanna be I want it all to work out like it does in a comic book, but it it's never worked out like it does in a comic book. It always works out like it does in a history book, the proper history books. That tends to be what happens. So we've gotta watch for that. Yeah. But but it's a Gaelic dialectic, isn't it, Paul? I mean, if it I mean, I think we mentioned it earlier. Hegelian dialectic, you know, they're setting up the problem  

[01:34:24] Unknown:

because they know how the people are gonna react, and then they can just march in with their solutions as if as if they're they're, you know sorry. I'm I'm looking at the white horse on the screen. You know, they can they can ride in on a white horse and kind of say, look. We're the heroes.   We've got the solutions to this. No. You created the problem in the first place. It's just time people start getting wise to your tactics because it's getting a little bit old at this point. But I'd rather they keep using the old tactics because that means we've got a better chance of figuring them out and sussing them out quicker. Yeah. I think you're right. And I think another another thing I observe  

[01:34:55] Unknown:

almost as a default   position with so many of our own people, and this is why I sort of engage with them at supermarkets   and when I'm out walking and stuff. And if I see an in to just go slightly political, I'll always take it. They think I'm into nothing but politics. I'm not. I'm really only into the politics of our race.   But it's really interesting that most of our own people that I speak to   are not they don't want to be seen to be or don't want to support their own people.   I can't describe. It's really odd to me. They're always concerned about the other and the way that they appear in terms of how they talk about others. They don't talk about   how do we get together and do stuff because that's all that it that's the starting point. Yeah. You go, well, just to get together for to play Domino's, you do that. Are you doing are you getting together with anybody to do anything at the moment? No. Well, that's the first step. You need meeting need to meet, you know, and and connect   and get and there will always be someone. There's enough people now I I suggest.  

Out of this two or 3%,   someone's just put a comment in there, Exo said I think we're down to dealing with about 2% of the population. I might be right. I don't know what it is but it will be a small minority. But history shows that that small minority has always been the one that's act acted as the fulcrum point to swing things through, you know, a huge arc to get things going. So it's complex though. They've got so much sophisticated   infotech on us, so many databases, so many means of   disrupting your life subtly and quietly.   You know that quiet war It's that stuff. This is what Frederick talks about, fourth generation warfare. That's what we're dealing with. This permanent sort of off balances with the bills,   they're going up, then there's this distraction,   then we're being invaded again today. And, oh, don't worry. Someone said that they're gonna have a much tougher policy, then that's forgotten. And two days later, somebody says this is nonsense. And then we've we find out that, apparently,   we're about to spend £2,000,000,000   on some Israeli company training the British military, which is enough to make anybody puke.  

You know, like, hang on. Why do we need them training us in anything?   Why do we need that?   And none of it's spoken about. And I think that there's probably lots of little dirty deals going on out of the public eye while we're all slightly distracted with flags, possibly.   It wouldn't put it you won't put it past them, would you? Yeah.  

[01:37:18] Unknown:

Can I can I tell you another thing? So I I had for one of a better word, a massive download yesterday, just like a massive epiphany. And I just thought, oh, I see how all this fits together with the, you know, the smart agenda and the whole, mind traps, the cognitive biases, all of that, and it just fit into place. And one of the things that that dawned on me was   the social engineers, whatever you wanna call them, they're not even doing it anymore. They've they've simply programmed   a a bit of software and and allowed the AI to basically use the programs and, you know,   parameters   to basically,   force well, not force people, to guide them into echo chambers   and then and then get them to form into these just various little psychological traps, you know, and then and then divide the groups against each other and then,   you know, get the echo chambers to grow so that they can reinforce their delusions or their erroneous thinking. The AI is doing this. The algorithm is doing this. This is this is what the smart tech is for. This is what your smart meters are for. This is what your phones are for. This is, you know, TikTok, Facebook, all of those things. They are now conditioning your your your likes, your wants, your they it's probably not even the things that you're interested in, authentically.  

They're given to you now. You just think they're your own. They're conditioning your behaviors.   They're giving you your,   your fashions, your fads. All of this stuff is now given to you by an AI algorithm,   and and it's it's very, very cleverly turning turning the different echo chambers, all these different, social groups, all these erroneous,   delusional   sorry. I'm trying I'd I'm trying to repeat myself, and I'm just repeating myself. But but now it's effectively   turning people against each other. And while it's doing that, we can't unite and fight the real problem, can we?   You know? And this this is all this is what all the smart tech is. It's just being programmed by psychologists.  



[01:39:06] Unknown:

Yep. It's like I'm I'm personally always looking for something really firm.   It's got to tick every box. Like I saw, there's a guy,   I'm gonna try and start picking up his YouTube feed. He's a young English lad. Walks he's been walking around in all these cornfields or wheat fields or whatever they are, you know, around Epping and places like that. Just walking with his dog, talking to camera.   He's so word perfect. I'm immediately suspicious.   I can't help it. But he's really good. He's very good. He's so lucid. Never says   or once, which I always find a bit odd, you know, when we're doing things. But Oh, I I do that far too often.  

Yeah. Well, it's just you can you can slowly train yourself out of it. It it's just that I find that when I get excited or my energy goes up, I I don't know quite what's gonna come out my mouth next, really, sometimes, which is kind of half the fun of it, isn't it? You know? But,   maybe there's also some technology people might know where you've got a webcam or a camera looking at you. You can put sort of like a screen over it with a a scroll, you know, a bit like newscasters have. The the camera doesn't see it, but you've got something to read   because pre scripting stuff does work if you're talking about serious things because you don't wanna make an error or something that could be used against you, you know, in the slip of a of a heated little line of verbiage.  

But he's quite teleprompter   you're talking about. That's what I'm talking about. I think there must be some kind of a thing like that even for just, you know, these good stuff. For sure. Yeah.   And I was think and we're watching him doing this and I thought, I need to maybe I need to do something like that. Maybe that would be really cool because I walk in some fields, so it's all gonna get dark soon. But   he's making some really good points and covering things about just the ongoing   friction.   And so it's it's useful and and there are a lot of people out there doing this they're doing it very well   and yet this what I'm always looking for, he he's not the one I had in mind. He actually played a clip or someone was playing a clip. Actually, it was Paul Joseph Watson, who I don't really watch much, but he's obviously got a huge following because he was with Alex Jones and he's oscillated all over the place. And I'm not a fan was for years. Yeah. I'm not a fan or anything like that, but he's, you know   and he was just he played a clip from some   UK,   news thing.  

And   in the studio the guy that was speaking is,   a gay guy to use the modern parlance. Right? And he's a show host. He was talking   and saying things   which from our point of view are very tame.   And he's sort of pushing the conversation into these people have kind of got to go back,   which is actually a big deal for mainstream morning   coffee TV, right? It really is. It wouldn't it wouldn't you would just sort of laugh at it here because it's so far off. But in the studio with him there was an African guy and two women and I looked at it I said there's not one man there,   not one English man there. That's the first thing. We always end up with people speaking for us who don't tick every box. There's a few that do. I think Rupert Lowe does. They've got a but for me, he does. Talks like a bloke. He's responsible.  

There are loads of people who say he's a right wing Nazi fascist. Okay. Big deal. You know? Isn't that what they say about all of all of the, the alternative voices? So Yeah. Yeah. We might as well just declare and go, yeah. Yeah. We're all Nazis. Then what else have you got?   You know? Can can't you come up with some new terms? Come on. Come up with something really nasty. Call me a communist. I'm really gonna I'm gonna kick off. Right? But   it's that kind of stuff and you never get somebody that cleanly addresses it. Right? They're all equivocating.   Always. They're always   too guarded. I know the sort of speech that I want to hear and everybody else does. We all know what it sounds like. We know what it would it'd be really simple and direct   and it would be driven by a kind of command mentality.  

Like this is our   right? We don't hate you, but you can't stay.   That's what I want to hear. And the reason you can't stay is it's going to turn bad for all of us   and,   of course that marks me out as what's that? I'm I've got to be shot now for saying something like that. But that is the truth. That's really what's going on with most people. The ones that that find their voice are just a little bit of courage.   It's not that we dislike these people. It's the situation. I don't I'm never going to get to know them.   It's a ridiculous idea and of course this is all so you're frog marched into this space.  

Oh, you hate everybody. You're a racist and all this kind of stuff.   I go and what's your point exactly? Do you want a peaceful world or do you just want to have this get worse? Because the the conversation never gets to that point where you go   no one ever says, well, how many people coming in is enough? Is there in your mind, is there a limit to this? They never even mentioned this.   They just say, yeah. More people are coming in. What does that mean? More people for how long?   There's nothing precise. It's all emotional vague generalities   to whip crowds up and to make them oscillating to go one side or the other. So the divide to conquer thing is in full flow.  

I even, you know, I go over to The Guardian. I did last week. I'm sorry about this everybody.   You know, to see how they were reporting the flag thing and it's exactly how you would imagine it. There are these extreme right wing elements that are gonna create all this terrible distress. Not   people are genuinely upset. It's not an actual real reporting. It's always an ideology that's been expressed through their words.   So Don't don't look at the cause whatever you do. Just just always, you know, deal with the effects. I'm sure that'll fix the problem, won't it? That's right. Just look at the surface of it. These are these are terrible people. They don't brush their teeth. One of them said the word bacon.   This is just shocking. You know, what can we possibly do with these awful people who say bacon all the time and don't brush their teeth or whatever piffle it is that they come up with. So it's not adult. The space is not Yeah. It's not adult at all. It really isn't.  



[01:44:54] Unknown:

Earlier, you were saying, Paul, about our people are afraid to gather together with our people.   And this is a a result of the lifelong   indoctrination   that our people have   been,   programmed with.   That   that somehow would make us racist or evil or, you know, all of a bunch of Nazis, you know,   putting that word in big   quotation marks.   And so what   and it you know, they've really,   capitalized   on our empathy   and   our always caring about   other people.   And then, of course, our high trust, so they've capitalized on that. I should say weaponized those things. They have weaponized those things against us so that we ourselves, you know, our people have been now   conditioned to not   want to actually meet with each other to,   you know, discuss how do we   combat this situation.  

So I think what we need to do for people and to try to help our people come out of this conditioning   is,   yes, we can use that   empathy and say, you know,   we we care about others, and we particularly always look out for the underdog. It seems to be a trait that is very   prevalent among our race Yes. People that we   look out for the underdog. So now   let us look around   and   look at who is   now the underdog.   And you cannot but reach the conclusion, even   those who are still pretty much   tuned into the mainstream, you know, the the   the mainstream papers and the Guardian and all this stuff, but still you cannot help but look around and say, gee.  

I think it's our   white brothers and sister who   and sisters who are now the underdog. And so let us now   focus our empathy   on   our   plight. That's how we have to, perhaps,   frame it Yeah. For our people that  

[01:47:07] Unknown:

yeah. So I just wanted to put that in there. I think it's an excellent point. I think there's I think there's a lot of complex   or interweaving   kind of emotional   things going on with people.   I think that there's an attachment by certain people to be seen   as the do gooder.   I think, particular, you know, like look at me. I'm benevolent to everybody. And you, you horrible white person,   you just want to think about you and your own. Well, right now, if the white people do not start to think   predominantly about their own people, they won't be around. This is what I keep pointing out. It's great discussing this stuff,   you know, should we do this or should we do that? But I've said, you won't even be having these discussions. There won't be anybody here to hold   them. And what they're also saying is, oh somehow   we're not worthy of being alive and   and asserting our own interests.  

Well that's really all you should be doing. It's because they associate with it with harm to other people or something. Certainly this is that's certainly the sort of underlying narrative of the so called left or the woke people or whatever.   And I think I was saying earlier,   I think person I've got to take it off. Not that I'm in a space where I'm with these people because I obviously don't seek it out because I can't see there being   much value in it to me. But I probably do need to try and spend some time and try and figure out just what's happened. But I then you go, well, is there enough time? Is there enough time to correct all this? I mean, what you were saying Monica about   the sheer scale and the length of the brainwashing   and the slowness of it is what has made it so effective. People don't think   that they're not they all think that they're thinking very accurately about things and can't see that they're seeing it through a lens   which has distorted things for them and they've their priorities   are they don't have any real priorities.  

And and the the conversation never gets into sensible   actions that we could take. I've mentioned it here before. We're spending something like, in this country, 4 to £500,000,000,000   a year on supporting the migrant people are in here.   Right?   Oh, yeah. In terms of seven or eight million, they're all on Social Security or whatever you want to call it. I don't know what it's called. Right? But they get some handout. Yeah. Now,   you go and they go, well, we can afford this. Well, of course, the bond market makes sure that we've got permanent hundreds of years of debt to pay this off and all this kind of stuff. Right? Which is all part of this nonsense. We we touched on banking a bit. I'm not gonna go back there tonight, but this is part of it. But an alternative idea, this is so simple. You just go, oh, look. Well, we'll still spend the same amount of money, but you only get it when you're back home.   We'll help you. We don't mind.  

But and you go, can we afford it? Well, we can obviously afford it now   and we're not getting anything back for it. It's not making this nation stronger. In fact, this nation won't be able to help anybody soon because there'll be nothing left here that produces a surplus to help anybody with.   It's just simple logical. I'm I mean, I think to me that's logic. I just go   and then Yep. And what I would say is this shows that I actually care about them more than you do if you wanna have a competition about it because everybody knows   that that individuals, races, and tribes operate best in their traditional ancient cultural   homelands. They just do.  

They harmonize   and they also conflict in a natural way. All people do that. I'm not expecting that if everybody left, the English are all suddenly gonna get on with one another. We've always got idiots and people that are causing trouble, people that are overly ambitious, and people that bend the rules. That won't go away, but we can deal with that. But what we're dealing here with something much more horrific. It's a systemic, you know, attack at the very foundations of our entire way of life being replaced by some automated system, which of course is, you know, I know everybody here can kind of see that. But there are some positive,   there is another way of redressing this, but but we need the media. And, you know, I'm talking about talking we have to I still think I mean, sometimes it seems like an insurmountable thing, but it's to try and build and accelerate   and improve the scale of this. And I think also here in this show and with what you do Monica and Frederick and others, what Eric does, we're in a kind of subset of that.  

We're not in that thing where we're likely to get   50, you know, 15,000   live viewers on YouTube. I mean, I kind of I was thinking about this the other day. I thought, that'd be great. And then I'm thinking, would it? What would it be great? What what what am I thinking about? Is that really useful? Is it gonna be useful? I see what people go towards,   that are moved into the truth movement as it were. You know, it's a funny and what they get attracted to and what they think is is really good. But in nearly all cases,   it's kind of a situation where   it's a salve to the problem.  

That's nice. Yeah. I get that. It provides a bit of comfort and encouragement   but it's still not causing people to act and do and that's   that's really the thing. It's more work that's literally more   work. It's more work that's that needs to be done.  

[01:52:16] Unknown:

But the big trouble, as I see, is that people are in their own mind prisons.   And these mind prisons,   the keys are in front of them, but they can't quite understand   it. And when I'm talking about a mind prison, I'm talking about, you know, you speak to some. Do you you think they've got it? But then they go over to send, oh, yes. Well, old Farage, everything's gonna be right when he comes to power. And Tommy Robinson, oh, what a marvelous bloke he is. And that's all within their mind prison. What they don't realize is once they open the door and get away from all that and look back on it, they realize they were in prison. But they don't realize it because their their mind has been put in this little prison cell.   And all the and they don't really get it that government is not there for you. It's our greatest enemy because more people have been killed by their own governments than all the wars put together. Yep.  

That's it, basically. You know?   I know. Do you do you come across this a lot, Monica, this mine prison that people have where they're in a kind of  

[01:53:14] Unknown:

Yeah.   Yes. I I would say and on that subject of I I think it's related.   You I think, Paul, it was you who said a few minutes ago   that people think that they   are thinking for themselves.   And it within my own family,   it's my other brother, not Alfred, but my other brother,   whom Alfred calls our ex brother, sorry to say, but anyway, that's how it is.   He really genuinely   thinks and believes that he thinks for himself and that he thinks outside the fox and that he absolutely   is independent minded. And actually   quite the contrary is true. Like, he is so stuck   in all the things that he's been   indoctrinated with all his life. And I never forget,   this is years ago before I was really onto World War two history when I was just talking about nine eleven stuff. Yep.  

And he was saying   but I was starting, starting on other the other thing, you know, and that that forbidden subject about those certain people we're not supposed criticize.   But anyway,   he said, you mean to tell me that all the university   professors were wrong?   And you really you really drew that out, you know. And at the time, I didn't know nearly as much as as I know now because   if I had, I would have said, yes, indeed. And here's some examples of how they keep the university professors in line.   And and I would give the example of my friend, professor   Anthony Hall or Tony Hall from the University of Lethbridge, Alberta.  

I don't know if you've ever heard of him or his case. I have heard of him. Yes. You have.   Yeah. We were good friends. We I mean, we still are are in in in touch with   each other. But anyway,   he was,   kicked out. He was a fully tenured   professor.   He did wage a a formidable battle. I think they regretted who they took, who they attacked there because he's a fighter. Let me tell you. So he did first, they kicked him out without pay. Just fired him one day to the next verbatim to go back into the classroom.   And,   and it was all based on spurious allegations.  

And   in fact, one of the allegations was an outright   equivalent of if you were to put   to plant   a bomb into somebody's handbag just before they go through airport   security.   You know, somebody else plants this bomb in there, and then you go through security and you can guess what would happen.   So that was the equivalent of that. They planted a Facebook post on his Facebook page that was not put there by him. And it was clear that it was somebody else that put it there, but they still   just dragged him   into the slime mud with this allegation that, oh, will he let it be on his page and blah blah blah. You know, and they did it while he was traveling, so they knew darn well he wasn't gonna be checking his Facebook every ten minutes or whatever. You know? And they the the organization   of the launch of the all the, you know, thousands of complaints   to Facebook and all this stuff. I mean, it was just phenomenal. There's only one group of people who are that good at coordinating things,   like, you know, reminding me of what you're saying before about perhaps the flag thing was coordinated and organized, you know, maybe to as a valve, you know, a a release valve. But, anyway, back to Tony Hall's case,   they and they they accused him also of   associating with Alford and Monica Schafer, I guess. I mean, this concept of somebody being demonized just for their mere association   with me, and I'm thinking, what? I'm just I'm just this nice person that's going around, you know, living life. And and suddenly, I'm dangerous to be associated with by this university professor who was a professor of history no less.  

Anyway, he he was criminalized,   and we were all criminalized. Actually, Alfred and he and I were criminalized for our participation   also in this four minute actually, less than four minute video   called   why do you it was put out by the commit CODO, which stands for Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust. And it we were just answering the question, why do you support open debate   on the Holocaust? Now we didn't say this or that happened or this or that did not happen. That's not what it was about. You could replace that word,   that forbidden   subject with any other word, like, why do you support open debate on the moon? Or why do you support open debate on any number of other things? And and it's you're gonna go, well, of course, you know, we should be able to debate anything and everything.  

And Tony's contribution to that little four minute video was excellent. He said, well, you know, especially when there are such   consequential things in our history, of course, we should be able to discuss this and look at it, look at new evidence as it arises and and all this stuff. He was criminalized for that. He was just basically, they wanted him out because he also talked to his students about 09:11 and who might have actually done that and the false flag nature of it and all these things that they just didn't want him around. He was actually encouraging his Sorry to interrupt you, Monica. Just hold on to that thought because we're just coming to the end of our slot here on WBN. We're just coming up to the top of the hour.  

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So,   we'll be back again on WBN same time next week, 3PM US Eastern, 8PM in The UK. We look forward to your company next week. Hopefully, you can make it. We're gonna play a little song now. We'll be carrying on on Rumble and YouTube and Radio Soapbox and other places. You wanna get a link, go to paulenglishlive.com.   We're gonna play a little song now with the Eulian pipes   and, we'll be back with Monica Schafer and Nathan and Eric after this wee little three minute song. Thanks for your company this week. We'll see you next  

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week.  

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This is really rather marked.  

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Thanks very much.  

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That was,   Catherine Ashcroft on the Eulian pipes, which are a kind of variant of the bagpipes,   with Morris,   Morris Dixon on guitar. That was it. Just the two of them. He was providing the drums by beating away on the guitar there in the early part. I can't even   tell you the title because it's in Gaelic. It's,   I'm gonna muller this. 'Mochaira times Si, I'm hodlach king of the pipers'.   How about that? I'll try and print it into the thing but if you look up Catherine Ashcroft and Morris Dixon, you'll find it on YouTube.  

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I absolutely love that stuff. It I go goosebumpy with it. It's, fantastic. You do. And you did a good job of the that name. I mean, I wouldn't know if it was wrong, but it was pretty pretty good sounding there that how we pronounce it that time. The first word's spelled mochara, which is m o c h a r a.  

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And then the second one is tamesi or tamesa. I don't t a I, and the a's got an accent over it, m s e,   im,   mokara tamesi im, and then the next word is   c h o d l a d h.   Chodla, king of the pipers, I guess, is what it is in English, but it's mokara tamesi im chodla.   Probably billeted it or   I don't know. So somebody anybody who speaks Gaelic or Celtic, come on. Call in and say you,   idiot,   if I get it wrong.   But, I think she's absolutely   if you catch the video, there's another bit on it. It's a bit longer. I just cut that little bit out of it, but,  

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oh, I love that instrument. It's fantastic. Me too. It just it just it it's just thrilling, actually.   I love it too. It is.  

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Yeah. It really is. Anyway, we rudely interrupted you there to exit the second hour and begin the third. I'm here with,   Eric Von Essex   and, and Monica.   And, we're here ready to rock and have has our other guest returned? Have you are you back?  

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Is he back? Are you talking about Nathan?  

[02:04:48] Unknown:

Yeah. He's he's he's yeah. He's he's he's now stocked up and biscuited. I've had my biscuits, and I've got I'm I'm gonna get shouted up for this. I've got a good biscuit.  

[02:04:58] Unknown:

Have you had   I might be good to just read a few of the comments out. There's been lots piling in both on YouTube and Rumble. I've I've caught a few here on the YouTube. Oh, for good you're on Rumble as well. God, I I haven't even checked that. Yeah. Go ahead. How are we going? Everywhere. You're stuck with me. It's all over the place.   It's good. No. It's good. And I thought I still need to get all my a, and then when Here we go. See, you had a scape.   You had a scape. Alright. Alright.   Oh, so actually speaking before just I've got to go back to the things. I saw a clip. Was I banging on about this on Monday?   I wasn't banging on about it necessarily to the to this audience when I was on with Eric. I saw this video of this new football ground that's been built for Everton Football Club,   and   I didn't know what to say about it. It's one of these modern things. It just looks like a big giant refrigerator to me. It's absolutely   dreadful.  

All the fans, of course, love it because they were in some old state stadium at Goodison Park which, of course, had only been there for a hundred and three years because they tore that down and I'm going I just wanna throw up really when they do things like this. Why are you tearing it down? It's like when they tore Wembley down. It called? You you   you've just said a refrigerator. I've gotta look at it now. You said it looks like a refrigerator. What are they called? It's just like it just I don't know. I don't know what it's called. It cost an absolute bomb. And this lad Absolutely. It was all enthusiastic. I mean, I sound like a right sourpuss. I'm not into football because I think it's a cultural irrelevance. I think it's there to sort of say, you know, but, it didn't used to be. I think that's why I got a bit cross about it. Red bread and purposes. Right? It is. Yeah. It's just Bread and purposes.   Anyway, Monica, he shelled out £240.  

What's that in US dollars? $300,   right, for one match. It only lasts an hour and forty five minutes with a break. Right? But he had unlimited beer but, of course, you can't drink unlimited beer. You gotta watch the football. Right? It's just ridiculous.   And I think they were all happy with it. It's all very comfy and the sound's amazing and all that. But as a pea as a building,   it it's just   it's no good. One of the things I love about American baseball grounds yeah. The the American baseball grounds that I love, particularly the old ones before they started to modernize those, they had to be built in sort of city spaces. So they ended up with wonky outfield,   outfields and all sorts of funny shapes like the what is it? The Boston Red Sox, they play at Fenway Park and it's got this thing called the Big Green I just love the fact that it's like that. And if I went to Chicago, I'd have to go to Wrigley Field, if it's still called that,   which is the home of the Chicago Cubs purely because there's you've got all this tradition in it. Why?  

I think there's something really good about keeping old buildings. That's why they destroy them because they connect you to those generations of people that built that And you can smell the rattles and the shouting and the beer from a 100 years ago. It's still in the atmosphere, if you know what I mean. You imagine it works on your imagination. These things just suppress it. It's all   digitized. It's like digitized entertainment. It's tedious beyond belief. So if you're an Everton fan, I'm not having to go at your football club because I'm sure they're lovely and all that kind of stuff. But, yeah, they're all scousers from Everton and stuff like that. Oh, they got a slightly different accent to that. You know?  

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Yeah. You're right about all that stuff that you said about old places that they tear down, and and there's it's very deliberate, you know, to disconnect us from our ancestors. But, you know, I I I have another comment just about the bread and circuses nature   of the sporting world. And I'm not talking about your community   community league where the children are playing games with each other. That's just great. But, no, it's this big stuff.   So years ago, when I was quite naive about all of this, my friend,   he took his son to a hockey game in Edmonton, and this would have been from Jasper, and it was a big deal. Mhmm. And he bought tickets,   and he was saying something about their price. And and I said, well, how much were they? And he didn't want to tell me. He he knew I would be absolutely shocked.  

And so it took a bit of, you know, commit. Well, just tell me how much you pay. And this was I'm telling you, this was about,   almost twenty years ago, I think. So   be for the tickets for himself and his son, two tickets, I think he spent $400.   Now that would be a lot more now   with inflation, probably $600   or maybe even more. I'm not sure. Game. And that was that was at a time yes. And that was at a time when I thought I was listen to this, this comparison.   I had bought tickets for the Edmonton Symphony Orchestra   to go to a concert. And this would be a big deal to make the big trip to Edmonton because it would be, you know, a four four to five hour drive. Meaning, I'm gonna stay overnight. It's gonna be it's a big outing. Right? It's not just go out for the evening in your local town. So it's a big deal. And I thought   Symphony tickets were already expensive at something like gosh. I think they were, like, $40   at the time, and that was for maybe up up in the the, you know, the up upstairs   second balcony or something. But,   you know, and and his was, like, 10 times as much for a game, and   I was so blown away. I I really was shocked and he knew I would be, but I I couldn't imagine   what was the reason for this. But there is quite a hype, isn't there, about these sporting games and somehow, what is it that this cultural event that you would think would be worth more   was only, you know, 10% of the price? Like, that tells you something about how we value stuff,  

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doesn't it? I'd well, I think it tells you how things are marketed and how they've been I mean, what's occurred over here is   this Premier League thing has become an investment   magnet for people all around the world. So the clubs are now owned by,   massive American corporations.   The corporation that owns the Boston Red Sox also owns Liverpool, which is a massive club.   It's the most probably it's the most successful club probably in English football history in terms of its European   dominance at times.   A club really rooted in the local area there with a great tradition, fantastic team really,   And it's all been sort of pumped up. They've invested lots. The money the price of tickets has gone up. All the equipment's gone up. It's boring. They all sit down now. You have to sit down. What what happened was that they the stadiums used to be that working men would rock up. This is in the eighties. Right? And they'd stand up for the whole of the two hours. And standing's better for football. It's not a long event. It only lack maximum two hours.  

It's forty five minutes each way with a fifteen minute break. So with a bit of, you know, shenanigans, it is. So it's two hours. Easy to do. And I've always made the reason why standing up is better is the energy comes up from the people's boots right through their body and out of their because they're very loud at football games.   And,   I'm sure they are in The States as well but they're it's non stop in English that they're singing non stop. It's like a big release pressure valve and that's I'm okay with that. I think that's pretty cool.   And   if I got a recording of some of the chants, I wouldn't be able to play them on the show. They're that vulgar. They're off the charts. Right? It's like it's where the English just behave abominably.  

We love them for it And, that's what but they they what they did was there was a big disaster. So they said, right, all stadiums have to be seats now. And although they're still loud and everything, it just ain't the same.  

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To me, it's not the same. It it it seems a little bit bizarre to me, though. Sorry. I mean, I'm I'm sat here listening to you thinking, are you seriously telling me that you've got to sit down at a football game? Isn't isn't that pushing compliancy to, like, an an extra level? It's been like that for decades,  

[02:12:31] Unknown:

Nathan. It's been like that for decades. Yeah. They they they caused them to so everybody has to sit down. I mean, they don't. They stand up, but you've got to provide seats.   So they've then this has led to rebuilding of all these stadiums because in a smaller one where people were standing, you could cram them in like sardines. And, of course, it was a big cash. I'm not saying it's been a healthy sport. There's all been lots of bungs under the table, you know, money floating all over the place, and people do it also. You know, dodgy businessmen used to get involved and buy their local football team to do all sorts of stuff. It's just a known thing. So what? You know, big deal. But for the working guy, it was better.   I mean, I'm just talking about something that's not there anymore. But the amount of money that's in it's just ludicrous the players just get paid. It's ludicrous,  

[02:13:13] Unknown:

mate. What's this all about? It's silly. It's just really silly. Well, do you know do you know what I think's ruined it? I mean, so I I as a kid, I used to enjoy football. I mean, you know, of course I did. I was a, you know, I was a I was a lad and Yeah. Of course. You're English. Right? And it's just everywhere I did. I loved it as a kid. It was fantastic. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But then but then they've ruined it. I mean, surely, if you're going to support your local team, shouldn't that be your local team? Not not like foreign United. Not all of this exchanging players for down south and up north and then Oh. East and west. It doesn't make sense to me. You got troublemaker. You commercialized it. You probably know small minded localist you.   You look. I had to stare it up somehow. But it's just it it just for me, when it started getting commercial and and all about the money and the transfers, and I didn't it just lost all of its appeal. I'd I'd I'd I'd just completely went off it, and   it's just nothing now. I mean, I've got the only football I would watch is the World Cups, but even it I mean, COVID kind of finished that crap off, didn't it? It was just like, well, they've even ruined that now. So I've took I've  

[02:14:14] Unknown:

banged on about this before. I still I still think football could be a great sort of connection point for people like us. Although, I don't mean in terms of talking about who really runs the country in the banking system. I'm not really expecting to get too much traction there. But one of the things that I posited as an idea   is to have a People's World Cup,   a proper one. Right?   And this is all to do with race and nations.   Right? I maintain that England have not fielded a team since about 1977.   They haven't fielded one.   And, of course, this immediately marks me out as a Nazi. Okay. Whatever.  

What's your point? You know? Yeah. Because you've got to get down, you know, and, like, a nation is a tribe of people of the same race. I'm not making this up. That's what it is. My dictionary tells me that. It's written down there   and, okay. So that's cool. So that's what nation means. So if you're gonna have an international   sporting competition, surely   everybody that plays for the team should be of that nation.   Which basically means  

[02:15:14] Unknown:

But I I You know? I I was on my own for, like, sort of no. I don't know. For the World Cup, though, isn't it? Isn't it doesn't it have to be from your nation for the World Cup and for, like, for the European games? But on I'm not on about, like, the the the European League games. I'm on about the the international ones. I thought it was   a stipulation, but they again, shows how much I know because of Well Just just If you look at the if you look at the teams, look at France, most of it comes from Africa.  

[02:15:42] Unknown:

Now these are good footballers,   but nobody Everybody goes: oh you're a racist. I go: no you're the racist. You're missing the point. You've got these people that they are. It's the other side that are racists. They're the worst of them all because they want to destroy all the races.   If you just work it out, look at logically where they're taking this thing, there won't be any distinctive races left. That's the whole game plan. Right? They're just hammering those first because Christendom, for want of a better word, is where we've originated most of the law and done most of the things. They don't like that. We're we're kind of of the old world which of course I'm in love with not entirely. I mean lots of faults in it of course. You could say the flaw was in a long centuries ago that's brought us unfortunately to this dreadful point.   But,   those Africans,   their football skit, say for France, just to kind of sort of take the heat out of it,   they're denying their own nation their considerable footballing talents.  

Why are they not playing for their actual nations? It's wrong. So my idea anyway, instead of getting all to the details of that, is you have a People's World Cup,   every national team can apply,   but they've got to be a national team by race.  

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Okay? Wow. And you got I mean So where were we holding? What's the race to the top of the high? I'm talking about. The man out of the TT.  

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Right? Yeah. And and you said you wouldn't get a TV contract. Sorry, man. You wouldn't get they go, you wouldn't get a TV contract. Go, booger that. Everybody turns up with a mobile phone and just puts all the highlights up on YouTube every day, which of course YouTube would pull down and I tell you, I bet you what'd happen. It'd be absolutely fan I reckon the fans would absolutely love it. They'd get on with one another.   World Cups used to be like that. They were amazing. People would come from different parts of the world Yeah. And all of the national the whole of the German side were Germans.   All of them. The whole of the English team was English. The whole of the Scots team was Scots   and so on and Holland and everywhere.  

It was fantastic. They all played a slightly different way. It was genuinely a every nation had its own different way of dealing with it. The Brazilians were better than anybody else and they were amazing and nobody turned around and went oh, they're all Brazilians. We hate them because they come from Brazil.   Nobody says that. Nobody said like about Cameroon that we're all Africans who were really entertaining in the eighties. Oh, but they're all from Africa. We don't like them. It's just deranged. Nobody even says things like this, but it's made out that we do. It's the it's the pushing togethers destroying everything, and then they go, but you're opposing this, so you're a racist. No, mate. You are.   You're  

[02:18:14] Unknown:

these people It's it's more inversion, though, isn't it? It's basically Yep. They they I think, in the last ten years, especially,   the powers that ought not to be have now they've they've I think racism was largely   dead.   You know, I think it was I think it was do you know things were so and I'm sorry. Barking of accused the non racists of being racist   just to make it a big issue so that, again, it's a Gaelian dialectic on steroids as far as I can see. But Yeah. You know, it used to be fun. I mean, you just mentioned Cameroon there. I remember the nineteen ninety World Cup. And and so even even in the school that I was in, we we couldn't wait to see Cameroon because it was it was so vibrant and colorful, and they they had a  

[02:18:51] Unknown:

there was a uniqueness to it, you know? And and I don't recall that the school that I was in, we weren't racist. We didn't give a shit. We just Nobody even thinks about it, do they? That's not what we're nobody even thinks about it. You see, I think there's a different my take, there's a difference between helping people and then saying someone says, well your help should take the form of allowing them to permanently live with you   and conduct their own religions and everything. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. You don't do that. That's really that's really silly.   But that's what we're in. Oh, if you resist that, you're a racist. No, mate. You're trying to destroy both of us. You're trying to force these people to behave in a way that they're not naturally accustomed to. This will cause the home pit. It don't matter which group you take. I mean, obviously, I'm talking about ours because but yeah. Monica, yeah.  



[02:19:39] Unknown:

You're being far too logical.   I know. What's wrong with you? I'm sorry. I still don't know. This thing about   nation and nationhood   is a very, very important concept, and we need to   to really,   hammer this   home   to people. And here in Canada, you know, I think there's a little bit of a,   hypocritical thing going on or just a little bit, you know, just a little bit of hypocrisy.   The the first nations, they want they are now calling themselves I mean, they're they keep changing their labels. You know, at one time, they all called themselves Indians, and everybody else called them Indians. And   they say, oh, no. You can't call us Indians. We can call ourselves Indians, but you can't anymore. And then they say, aboriginal people, then maybe they say   the I don't know what else. They've they've used all kinds of labels. Well, first nations.  

Well, what do they mean by nations?   They do mean a racial thing   about their   people's rights.   Cool. But and but but but the first nation thing is a lie, basically, is what I'm wanna say with that. But I'm just saying there's this double standard about using that word   nationhood. And if we use it to for our own people, oh, no. We can't do that. That's   racist. And, you know, your your nation supposedly is is comprised of all these other races too. You know? That's what they're I mean, there is a big huge confusion. I would say that your average Joe  

[02:21:10] Unknown:

and Jane on the street don't actually understand that definition of nation that you No. They don't. Earlier. They don't. They get very angry with you when you when I bring the they get angry, and I understand why they do given what they think I'm saying.   But it's it's to do with this lack of understanding about nations. What we're actually pitching here for is a much more buoyant,   interesting,   and vibrant world than we've got right now,   based on actually respecting people's inherent received cultures.   Race creates culture. Multiracialism   creates   no culture. It's called culture but it isn't one. It's a problem. It's oil and water   oscillating around one another and people say, oh, look. They're all getting on. Hang on just a minute.  

And this doesn't mean that we hate them. It's about I know. It's about put it's the stance is permanent living is the is the mistake, but it's an intentional one. It's not a mistake at all. It's part of the plan. Right? Of course. As as we well know. But in their parlance, that's how it is. But most of the people that we speak to about this will never have thought to it just in terms of, can I just ask a couple of more questions and you're gonna get there? But they don't. They never ask one. This is the problem.   The lack of the inquiring mind is is part of this sort of conditioning that people have got. They've they don't realize they're closed down and it's like you you when you were talking about your other brother,   he's receiving his opinions from the media   and if you do that for five or ten years you begin to think that they're yours having failed to recognize that you never questioned one of them as it was taking up residence in your head.  

You didn't nobody goes hang on just a minute.   Let me have a think about that. No one goes, I want to have a think about people don't like thinking. It's hard work. I'm glad  

[02:22:59] Unknown:

yeah. I'm glad you brought my brother my other brother up again because I just wanted to wrap up that that Yeah. You know, that thought and that what I was talking about when   and, you know, he really thinks that he thinks outside the box, that he thinks independently. And so it's not just the   that, you know, the university professors, and and I gave one example of how they keep them all in line. And so when he actually asked me that question in a very   sarcastic way, oh, you mean to say all the university professors are wrong, you know.   But he also was   well read. Well, maybe I should see say badly read. I mean, he had read a lot of books, and so he also thought, well, he knows everything because he read a lot of books. But, you know, you can read a lot of books, but if you're reading all the Whole Therapeutics. That are pretty pretty yeah. No. They're pretty one-sided. They're always gonna confirm your your stance. Like, you might read a lot of books from these so called survivors or whatever, you know. And and you're gonna get this big   story in your head just hammered in because these books might elicit emotions and just different responses. Right? So but, you know, and then you you try to present them with   other kind of books. And they all know, I don't I'm not gonna read that. I don't have time to read that, or I don't I don't wanna read that. And they they do do put up a resistance to read other kinds of books, you know. So they're not that well read, but still, what why do people think that they can think for themselves?  

But really they're they're they are being shaped by   their   what they are exposed to all their lives. And I mean, our school system is the worst because the teachers have been, you know, they've been through the cultural Marxist   education system themselves, and and it's the worst.   The teachers have been sort of targeted because they know that then the children are targeted and that's how,   you know, our opponents, our enemy, which wishes us gone and dead and gone,   they have gone through the the education system,   like, to attack us. Right? To attack our children and whatnot. And so, really, yeah, that's I just wanted to kind of,   wrap that up with what I was saying about my other brother that people think that they think for themselves, but they really have to check those assumptions. And then for us who have actually learned and we kind of opened our eyes,   and then they call us rigid. Honestly, I've been called rigid that you wouldn't believe how many people. Oh, you're just stuck in your  

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viewpoint. You're stuck in your ways, Monica.  

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Is is isn't it kind of the opposite? Opposite? You know, I'm the one who actually was able   to undo a lifetime of indoctrination   once I   let that   go into my head. Like, let my eyes be opened by different evidence   and stuff. Like, it's   it's not easy actually to do that. I know I felt ill for a few weeks. I felt nauseous for a few weeks when I was first learning about nine eleven   because and that was harder for me than learning all the other stuff that was actually way, way bigger than nine eleven. But, anyway,   it's because it was the first   the first,   sort of just cracking of and and throwing my world upside down. And so I felt nauseous for for several weeks   because it was undoing   this   feeling of, oh, well, you know, we live in the best country and the government is by the people, for the people, of the people. Everything is great here, and we've got freedom of speech and freedom of the press and all of that would be.  



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Can I live there? So that's great. I wanna live there too. Yeah.  

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Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. That's what we learned all our lives in school. We were it was drilled into us, you know. So this fairy tale was coming to an end and it made me feel sick, you know. But then   once I got through that   and I'm saying this to people who,   you know, if they're just   coming to this now,   it's probably   quite a bit harder because it's gonna hit you all that much faster.   So it's gonna be like, you might have to vomit actually.   You know? I mean, I felt nauseous for a few weeks, sort of a steady feeling of nausea, but I didn't actually vomit. You might have to vomit because it's gonna hit you all at once because the things are so much   more in our face now that once you do let it in, once you open your eyes to the fact that we've been deceived on a massive scale,  

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wow. It's it cannot help but then, you know, hit you like a It is. It's disturbing. You know, let it happen. It it is. The older a person is when they hear this stuff, the more disturbing it is, particularly if their life has been  

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pretty sad. It's not only that. It's that the things are accelerating now now, Paul. So   even a young person coming across this now that's finally opening their eyes,  

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after the you know, it's it's just so much more now that to take in in such a much faster way. That's what I'm thinking. But you're right about the age too, I think. Well, I I think particularly if they've been successful in the current system. It's, you know, that they've got no real reason to ask questions. They go, I did, you know, I I played the game. I played it well.   Many people have done really good things with their lives. They have.   And so it's unfortunate that you're turning up and saying, oh, I'm gonna say some things that might upset you. You don't mean to upset them but it's that thing. There's a quote from   Dostoyevsky   which I'm going to muller. It's something like,   better to be unhappy and know the truth   than to be unhappy and not have a clue. I've changed it. I've put it into my parlance, but he's right. Better to live your life unhappy knowing the truth   than to be a happy fool.  

And at least that's the stance that most of us here take but others have chosen   foolishness. You only have to read some of the comment you know some of the articles by H. L. Mencken from a hundred years ago to know that he was right on the nail with so many of his observations about boobus Americanus and was that thing he said, you know, one day the American people will get exactly what they wanted,   a complete idiot in the White House. Well, they've had many of them. They've had many of them. I I mentioned I was gonna read some of the comments out here. Let me just hop on over and read a few.   Barefoot Forager says we need to build the alternative systems.  

We do. I think they already exist in many cases. It's a matter of dusting off particularly things to do with law and,   standing on the land and these sorts of things. They're a bit sort of jargonistic at the moment but there is real meat to those things. They need to be clarified and made simple for even audiences like ourselves because you can get bogged down in it. Oh, here you go. Here's an 800 page book read that not many people do that sort of thing. But part of the problem with that is what I I agree. I think I think we do need to build that alternative society that that runs parallel to the to the to the main ones because eventually, if it gets enough traction, it'll start to,  

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I think, be more successful. People people are getting bored of the the mainstream stuff now. I I think I'm getting bored of it a lot of it. The problem is it's what you said the other day that,   people are getting fatigued. I think   Truth fatigue. I think we're seeing a little lull. Yeah. They've got truth fatigue. But but it isn't it. It's it's Yeah. But but it is truth fatigue in in a lot of ways because it's like, oh, you know, even even alternative ways of living fatigue. It's like we had this massive   push in, say, like, 2020, 2021. We had this massive, motivational drive   to, you know, get shit done and to to galvanize, to come together, to to, you know, research all these new topics and subjects. And then and then suddenly,   what we've what we found is massive,   amounts of information overload, information overwhelm, which I think,   it contributes to fear and anxiety, and it we you know, confusion because we can't keep up with it all. And then people start to feel overwhelmed by it. They they they they get confused by it, which allows the social engineers to come in and then sow the seeds of,   you know, you know, to to tear us apart. Sorry. It's getting late, so my brain's not working too well.  

And   and what that then does is puts us it puts us into a an emotionally   manipulative state   that they can take advantage of. And again, use the algorithm, use smart grid, and they can mold our tastes and mold our   our wants and desires and take advantages of the lull in the drive and, you know, and suddenly, they've got us. They've they've controlled our behavior. They've controlled our,   innermost thoughts, and we think they're our thoughts. We think these are our behaviors. I don't think they are at all. I I'm I'm thinking at the   minute, probably 90% of what people think that they're interested in that comes from social media. I think that's all fed to the mind. I don't think that's their own interests at all. No. I agree with you. Actually, you got going back to the so sorry, mate. Just just going back to the comment there. Yeah. We do need to to, you know, remotivate people to to to, you know, keep building these alternative economies, these alternative interest areas, alternative media.  



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You know We do. It's about it's about work. What did we It's about work. It really is about work. Alice Gorge is right. She says, we need to officially rescind our consent to be governed. Canadians can do that too. So you're included, Monica.   All countries can.   Local spokesman voted for by small communities is my suggestion. It's the way to go. It is. I think the root of this, you know, I'm just going back to the show we did a few weeks ago with Hannah with regards to the law of the land   and a declaration.   I haven't got a copy of it yet but when I do I'll be sticking it up and we'll be doing a show on it as soon as I've got side of it,   to get ourselves out of their jurisdiction.  

It's not being we need to not be involved with them. But the other thing as well is, you know, when you were just talking about nationhood, Monica, there,   that they demonize us for that. In a way, this is obviously true and it's very effective on ears that have not got any defenses, which is still the great majority of people. But when you acquire a bit of defense knowledge which is what we're acquiring here,   we've probably got more than enough to be quite honest. It's just a matter of picking the best sort of stuff.   I think,   to me the focus is to have everybody   be able to sort of laugh at that in a way and to go,   well, yeah, alright whatever. I'm actually working with my own people   and to be able to do that without feeling guilty that they're not helping all the other people which they've been trained into.  

Don't you care about other people? I do actually. But you see it just so happens that I'm one of you and therefore don't you think first port of call is to sort out your own backyard?   It really is. We we're not gonna be in a position to help no one at all if if people think of themselves as the helpers of others. The vast majority of people, of course, don't and don't do that. They're so busy just coping with the bills and dealing with all all that kind of stuff.   Is it's a challenge for people in terms of their capacity and mine too. And I suspect,   Nathan, just coming back to what you were saying about all the stuff on social media, no doubt. Right? The there is absolutely riddled with agents from the other side   providing spurious stories nonstop. They've got little factories that just do it, and it's just anything and it's all phrased a certain way. The and and you see these items coming through, they're gonna do this. Who's right? What what they're gonna do? Stop stop thinking about what they're gonna do. You maybe need to think about it 5% of the time, not 95 of the time. The other 90% needs to be for your own people. What are you what are we gonna do? Well, I want I want to make my declaration to not be in the system, and I want to sell that idea   to my kith and kin and the people that I live with literally in the street. That's why I talk to people. I want to see if I can get through. You you  

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just mentioned something else there. Well, I don't, you know, kind of hinted at it briefly, which is which is,   all of the   the the agents or the the, you know, people who were embedded to kind of sway the the narrative or or put us off certain things. There's there's a lot of that, but I find one of the other problems with social media is the utter amount of doom scrolling. I mean, you know, I get accused of being negative, and I can I I can be to be fair? It's a fair comment.   But the amount of people that I know who just sit on their phones,   you know, I'm on about truth and conspiracy,   you know, researchers, whatever. You know, you know, our friend base. Let's let's call it our social circle. And they sit there day after day after day, and all they do is they look for the negative stuff. Oh my god. They're gonna do that. Oh my god. Look what's going on. Oh my it's just yeah. Okay. Well, where's that getting us? Because to me, that that's just adding to the fatigue. It's adding to the mental health issues that people are getting.  

It's standing people down. It's putting them into into a, like, you know, negative,   I got I'm gonna use the word vibration.   It is fear. It's fear and anxiety, and it's standing people down. You know? That's no good. And, again, I don't wanna I don't wanna sound like a hippie and and a and a No. But you make  

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You make excellent points. You you've made excellent points, Nathan, about this this whole situation. And and I do think that there are a lot of   these disinformation   agents or whatever that are pretending to be part of our   people,   our truthers and truth tellers that   are   sowing,   confusion as well. Because then, you know, these these are, like, they'll put out straw man   scenarios or whatever so that then Absolutely. When that gets blown down, then people get frustrated. And they say, oh, well, you can't really believe anything we read or hear anyway. Or they just get so demoralized. Like, there's just so much   like, you say that people scrolling and and just getting demoralized   and hopeless.  

That's a big one. It's just so this   notion of hopelessness.   No no future, no hope. Right? This   a few years ago, I remember watching a film. It was in I was part of the film club in Jasper once a month. They'd bring a film from the TIFF. That was the Toronto   International Film Festival, and they'd bring them to our small town theater.   And these films, I used to just love them. And then I started to notice maybe concurrently with my waking up that, jeez, they were driving agenda too. And   but, anyway, one of these films, it was, you know, Canadian   best, like, won the best Canadian film of the year award and all this stuff. And it was so I I only sat through it because I kept thinking, well, surely something's gonna happen now. Like, surely something's Yeah.  

Exciting or good or something's gonna happen. But it was, first of all, very dull and boring. But the main character was this young,   graduate,   woman graduating out of high school. She had everything going for her. She had beauty. She had smarts. She had athletics.   She could have had, you know, a a wonderful man in her life if she just had everything going for her, but yet she was kind of this apathetic, wasn't gonna do anything with her life. Just   it was so hopeless. And I thought, you know, why did this film get an award?   It's because they wanna put that message out there that there's no hope because there's no future. That's how she felt. Well, why should I do anything? There's no future.  



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That's what they want. They pat themselves on the back for the messages in these movies that they want us to absorb. Because then people get, oh, best film. Let's go see this film. And then they go and watch this film, and they absorb this message of no hope. But have you noticed on on top of that? So so even going back to all these award ceremonies, you know, I've I mean, I've I've never watched any of them because it's never appealed to me. If it's a good film, I'll watch it. If it's not a won't, I don't I don't care what other people think of the film. I care what I think. But a lot of the the, you know, the best film and best actor, not all of these. I you know, they they're awarded it before the film's even released. It's like, well, it's clearly not audience based then, is it? So you're telling us that this is a good film based on what you are telling us to believe. That's not what the audience thinks. It doesn't matter what what you're, you know, the the people watching it. It it's nothing to do with that. So so they're giving us all of our tastes constantly. They're giving us our heroes. They're giving they're telling us. I mean, it's it's quite embarrassing to think that we are are this,   easy to manipulate and condition. I mean, it is quite embarrassing. You know?  

What what was the other point I was gonna raise there? Well, I think, Nathan, there's so much firepower  

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against us. It's it's colossal.   And until   people make that decision to detach from what they're told is current popular culture,   that's the first you just gotta unplug from it. It's ridiculously silly. I was trying to think about films recently that were relatively uplifting.   Even though this has a kind of negative a few actually. Well, yeah. I'm going back quite a few years really, but I caught The Truman Show the other day. I've seen it once or twice. Right? And there's something grim and slimy about it in the in the sense that it's all a bit weird, but the thing is it ends right. He gets   away. It's got a positive,   uplifting ending. You can get out of this control grid if you want to interpret it that way. It's good. It's not bad. I saw some on YouTube every now and again they do these sort of video reels where they say upcoming films for summer two thousand and twenty five. They're nearly all science fiction stuff. They're all dark. They're all shot through a blue lens. Everything's grim. It's always people just running around ripping people's arms off and everything. Apparently, this is profan it's tedious beyond belief. It's just complete junk. And they tell you, oh, there's some real hidden meaning in this. Really?  

Yeah. The hidden meaning is you're wasting your time watching. You want hidden meaning. I mean,  

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I I I still defer back to the matrix. All three well, it's four of them now. You know? I mean, I can watch that over and over again. It might seem like a negative film, but it isn't because it's it's not well embedded with esoteric and occult meaning and and and, you know, allegory and things like that.   And and yet it does it does have a a bit of a dark tone going through it, but, actually, the ending is quite optimistic. It's like, well, actually, this can still be done by going within. I mean, there's there's so much,   stuff embedded within those films, but,   you know, it it again, just   just how   you   I know what I'm trying to say with with the the film stuff. It's like, you know, stop telling me what I like and and and let me decide what I like. Stop telling me, you know, stop pushing your agenda. Stop stop and you're right, Monica. I mean, some of the stuff that gets awarded, it's like, my god. I watched,   I I watched The Machinist about ten years ago, you know, with with I think it's Christine Bale.  

Yeah. I don't know that one. I don't know. The most boring one. Oh, it's it's horrible. It's it's like it's the most commie,   boring,  

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depressing crap And it probably won won lots of awards. Right?   Yeah. Probably. Probably. That's yeah. That's like there was a film called Nebraska,   which won all kinds of awards, and Alfred alerted me to this. I happened to be visiting him. This was a number of years back   before our our episode and all that with with their their so called justice system. But, anyway,   he said, oh, we borrowed this from the library because, you know, we we it won all these awards, and we wanted to see what it was all about. And we gotta see this.   And and, it was the most dull, boring Yeah. Film, and it   it it project. Sorry. It,   prove it oh, what's the word? It made these white men look like a bunch of dullards. They were   fat and kind of lazy and and just very   they were   just incompetent   dullards,   and it was these white guys.  

And this was what they're portraying. And and, again, this movie won all kinds of awards, like best best this, best that of the year, whatnot. And   but, yeah, I guess, how do we do that to not let these films   form our thoughts? I suppose one way is to unplug.   Yeah. Well, so so just television.  

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Just well, there's two comments there. Right? So tell people they don't watch films or TV, and it's even less socially acceptable than being t total. Right? That's one of them. The next one is I have no TV, and people ask me what I do with myself. Right? And so so I I I am an old Yeah. I I like my films.   No. So so I like, you know, I like I like watching films. But I have noticed that in recent years, it's like I'm liking them less and less and less, which means which is good for me   because, that means I buy less and less and less. That means that that I don't need to subscribe to all these streaming services. You know, if if they keep making entertainment as crap and as woke and as boring as they are doing at the minute, that's great for me because it means that people are gonna actually do other things like going into nature, going for walks, getting involved with their community, doing their own projects, building things, building alternative, you know,   all of this, including me. Because I again, you know, give me Braveheart and Gladiator. Yeah. I I I'm happy to watch that kind of stuff. It's it's entertaining even if it's not historically accurate. But Yeah. I I these days, it's act sorry. I I cut you off there. No. It's alright. No. Carry on. Carry on. Well, I was gonna say these days, it's actually quite interesting to,  

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get older films and watch them just for the for research purposes. Like, let's see how they how they molded our thought patterns   then   and whatnot. And and I for example, what was it called? Fire   I don't know if the movie was called Fire. It was a whole big Hollywood film that not a single word was actually spoken in it. So it's quite incredible that they actually, you know, created a film that held held your interest without any words spoken, but it was oh, Quest for Fire. I think that's what it was called.   So I watched this with a friend years after it came out.  

I I hadn't seen it at the time, but it's quite a few years ago that it came out. Anyway,   the one thing I observed is that   the tribe of people who were more kind of with it,   and they even had a language of their own. Of course, it wasn't something that we could understand. That's why I would still   hold that what I said that there wasn't a single word that you could understand in film. And the they they were the ones who   found out how to make fire, but the tribe who was   kind of just grunting   and, you   know,   they were white.  

But the other tribe was kind of African looking, the ones that were kind of more sleek bodied. Well, I never   And I know. And I thought, wow, they were really putting this kind of a notion into people's heads. Look who's the more advanced here. You know, this because there this is a film about life, you know, thousands and thousands of years ago before we had fire and then all these people they invented or figured out how to make fire.   Oh, and this stupid white tribe, they were kind of on this little island surrounded by rising water, didn't really know what to do with themselves other than grunt. You know, it was just unbelievable   how they were portraying the the different prop tribes and who was the more advanced there and who was not   on unreal. But I wanted just to say before I hand back the microphone   about the matrix.  

Mhmm. I didn't I didn't see it when it first came out. And then years later after I woke up to 09:11 being a false flag event,   one of the people that I was on these weekly calls   with about that, and this would have been probably 2012 or 2013. It was 2011 that I woke up about that. Right? Ten years off. But anyway, this guy said, hey, Monica, have you seen the Matrix? I said, no, I haven't. And so how you gotta see the Matrix? You gotta see the Matrix. So I rented it, the just the first one, the original,   with a   friend. And, you know, it was made in 1999.  

Right? And two years before 09/11.  

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And Yeah. Yeah. I  

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at the end, I just   was saying, oh my goodness. They are rubbing it in our faces. Are they not?   Because you notice that,   in the matrix, like, well, first of all, it's it's kind of like two realities   exist. Right? And Yes. And that's what we actually although it's just science fictionalized, but that's what we actually have is two realities. The reality that everybody well, the majority of people think is reality. And then when we wake up about stuff, we realize, oh my goodness, we're being deceived about everything pretty much.   And so in that way, the film is is quite accurate, only it's science fictionalized. But do you do you notice what they called the real place in the movie? Do you remember? The desert of the real.  

It it was called Zion.  

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Oh, you oh, so you're on about the last city. Yeah. Is there any way what the   Something like that. Yeah. But this it's it's better than that. So so well, I mean, obviously, we we know where that's going. I I get the pronunciation. Saw the sequels, Nathan. I never saw any other. Oh,   Right. Can I I'm gonna I'm gonna suggest you do? And the reason because a lot of people say that the second and third one, even the fourth one, they say, oh, it's not as good as the first one. Alright.   Maybe maybe it's not as novel as the first one. Maybe it's but but if you were interested in the occult, if you're interested in reality, if you're interested in this whole philosophical   debate about what's what's real and what's not and the idea that, you know, we could have a holographic reality. We we've got a matrix within a matrix and things like that.  

My god. The second and the third films, it's so   deeply embedded in in a cult law. You know, and I don't mean evil. I mean, a cult as in, you know, hidden knowledge.   You've you've gotta see I mean, they're they're telling that there's so much they're telling you now. I mean, it wouldn't surprise me, and I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna try and work this carefully.   The Wachowski brothers made the matrix one, two, and three.   The Wachowski sisters   made the fourth one. I'm wondering   well, one one of the sisters   I'm wondering if   part of the reason that that's a thing is that they were and I'm and again, sorry if I'm, maybe I'm speaking out of term and I'm not trying to offend anyone with this, but maybe that was their punishment for,   revealing too many secrets. And if I'm wrong, that's fine. I'm I I don't have a problem with that. That's that's that's not where I'm going with that. It's just to Maybe it's the other way around, Nathan. Maybe it's to show that when you do profound things, your real desire is to actually, if you're a bloke, become a woman.  



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You never know. Well Oh, I made these great films. I must become a woman. To answer that.   Yep. Never answer David Lean. Thank you. I don't know.  

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I mean, just just look at I mean, just look at the characters in it, the architect.   You know, that is that is so clearly the Gnostic Demiurge. Right? That is   it just the the the merovingian in there is it's, you know, we're no. Just watch Monica, if you've not seen the second and third one, seriously, watch the second and third one. There's so  

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so much in there that you'd that you'll click with. Anyway, I'd I'd I'm gonna shut up because I'm getting a bit passionate with that one. But Yeah. Well, no. That's interesting. About I've never heard heard anybody, you know, to promote that show strongly like you have. So I will, I will think about that, doing that, renting it out and   watching that, or maybe I can find it online. I don't have no idea.  

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I I would even suggest, and I know the fourth one didn't go down that well. But, again, it's like it's it's kind of like a it I think it's an instruction manual at the minute, even the fourth one, you know, with horde mode, you know, where where, you know, instead of having agents taking over people, they basically they basically switch the population   into zombies. And it's like, gee. I wonder what what they could be inferring with that particular,   you know, move in the in the film. You know? What what could they mean by, turning the population into hordes of zombies?  

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That's it's an interesting one. Anyway, so should we have some should we have some more comments? Because I'll I love going through the comments. We're going down to our last nine minutes just to let you know. We we had we had end at top of the hour. Sorry. That's the way it is. It causes you to speed up and release or something. There are some cracking comments. Sorry, mate. No. It's alright. Talk past her. Yeah. Okay.  

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I think Eric's all asleep, by the way. You seem No. I'm still here. No. I'm still there. No. I'm still there. Yeah.  

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I'm still here. Yeah. There were Joel coming in and I think, where's Eric got his past his bedtime or something. I thought you were probably watching Carrie on the couch.   A bit of the antidote. So the Matrix stuff. I've got a couple campers.  

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We we missed your laugh. We we did. We missed your laugh.  

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Yeah. No. I'm still here now. I was, you know, I was list listening. Very, very, very interesting.   But,   do when do you think it's all gonna kick off? Because I send oh, it's 03:00 Sunday afternoon, usually, Eric, for football matches. Yes. 3PM this Saturday.   And they're off. Ah. Play up Rovers. Yes. One nil. Yes. Because in the in the seventies, you used to watch a,   a fight and a football match would break out, wouldn't it? Yeah.  

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That's when football were grand. That was almost as inverted as the satanist, mate, that one.  

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Would you remember when they were we used to kiss each other and my dad used to say, look at that little poofs.   You know?  

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Oh, that's this show getting stripped down.   You had to do it, didn't you?   Well, that's a big joke, isn't it?  

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Yeah.   I mean, Barefoot Forager writes, people are looking for a tribe.   And,   yeah. I guess they are looking for a tribe. I agree with that. Of course. It's right in front of them. But, oh, we couldn't wait. You mean my young people? Yeah. Yeah. That's how it works. Nature's already sorted out. With that though Yeah. So sorry sorry to interrupt. The thing is with that, we we kinda did this in 2020 and 2021.  

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Right? We did   this. And then   I I seriously think that we got infiltrated in more than one way, whether that's through actual people being present or whatever,   and we ripped ourselves apart. And I'm without without going down the usual,   roots that me and Eric usually go down with with, you know, certain groups turning on each other. But, I mean, we did. We ripped each other apart. Yeah. Seriously. So so now I I find myself   seeking that thing that I want my tribe. But, again, it's just I'd rather we didn't rip each other apart next time, you know? Can we not come together and Well, I think I, you know, I think it happens because don't agree. I think it's happened because people don't have a  

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a common context in their head. They think it's everybody's got slightly different ideas about what's going on. And to simplify it, for me, I just simply say it's the law. You find that in scripture. That's your starting point. If you're not familiar with that, you're gonna get lost.   And I'm not talking about going to churches. I'm just if if every if we look at everything here that's happened to us,   it's about something tunneling into the structure of of the civilizations that we've built repeatedly over the past two thousand years.   And it attacks these power centers and it chews them up and the people are persuaded or get lax and forget to follow the law. When you do that, you do become sovereign. You've got to be responsible.  

It's not like, oh, we wanna get rid of the government. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. We do. But that's not actually the goal. The goal needs to be, in my view, that we have to adhere to the law. If you do that, you can't get governments that spring up and abuse you. You're too busy   doing good stuff, doing the right stuff, becoming strong.   And so there are these ground rules about behavior. Being conscious of your race is really important.   We know this   simply because it's the one thing that they hammer us on more than anything else. Therefore, it's massively important. Bingo.   Bingo. You know, so all the forbidden topics, the verboten topics are the ones to go for. They're absolutely it. That's the absolute nub of it. And you find that we're pushed away, and so people lose a sense of tribal community. And it's and you need it. We're hardwired for it, but that tribe to be effective has got to operate under some basis of law. You could say, we can all do what you like. Well, I don't know if I'm quite happy about that. I don't think the law is that onerous. I know apart from which it's actually in line with our true nature. We actually do like to work hard, but we don't like to be ripped off. We've got people working hard. We've got some people not working at all, and the people that do work are getting ripped off. There's an agency that's always gonna make it better for us. You just give us that money, and we'll protect you. There there's a disconnect and then an imbalance,  

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society here. I mean, it's it's very, very out of out of,   harmony. You know? Very out of harmony.  

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Yeah. And and, you know, people say, well, we should all start going to church again, and I get very worried about that. I'm going, well, if they were sound, possibly. But you see, this gathering here is much more in line, I would suggest,   with the instructions from scripture.   It's to gather together and to discuss the affairs of state. Isn't that what we've been doing for three hours? We're discussing   the state of our lives.   And what we found is that there are man made governments that always   seek to assume that power over us always because they're gonna help us. And, people are dissuaded from the fact that they plunged us into wars, they rob us through taxation, etcetera, blah blah. There's a huge list I could go into. You know what it is. So it's all there Yeah. And they're the enemy. They're the enemy. Whether they're nice or they act they harm us. We don't need them, but we do need a goal. You have to wake up blokes, particularly, you have to wake up in the morning with a mission.  

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You have to have one. Oh, you have to have one.   Purpose. But, again, this this is the mouse experiment again, though, isn't it? This is the the the the solution to that was purpose. Yeah. In in what you're saying in there about the scriptures and stuff, I mean,   okay. Church isn't the answer, but equally, I mean, again, I'm not I'm not a Christian in a typical sense. I   go into the reasons for why I say that, but I still enjoy churches. I I I love going into churches in Cathedral. I'm the same. Yes. I think Yeah. Me too.  

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Place. Oh, yeah. I still enjoy it. You know? If if they just actually got back if they actually read their own bloody book and applied it, we might be able to get somewhere.   I'm serious. It's not that they're annoyed. Showed us. There's some fantastic people.   Yeah. Sorry, Monica. Yeah. They they  

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just showed us that they were   not,   with   God's law when they all shut down during COVID.   Yep. You know, they just acquiesce to this   state telling them, oh, we got a distance.   Everything's shut down except liquor stores and cannabis stores. That's okay. Those stay open, but, you know, churches, they all shut down with very, very few exceptions.   So they showed us. But I I agree with what you the rest of you said, you like going into the buildings. They're beautiful. There's wonderful acoustics in them, and I absolutely love love love to be able to   play   my violin in one of these big   place Yeah. Big cathedrals. The the acoustics are just  

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second to none. It's beautiful. There's a theory that a lot of these cathedrals were healing centers. They weren't to do with religion.   Wow. Because when you look at the seating, it doesn't look quite right.   And,   it they were built mainly on ley lines, which is very interesting.  

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What's a ley line? Yeah. They they were built upon upon the, the older, like,   groves and things like that and older temples.   Sorry. I've I've cut you off again. But Alright. Hang on. Well  

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Can you hear that? Can you hear that sound of the guitar player?   Yes. Yes. It's just coming in. This means we're down to we're down to one minute and ten seconds, so we gotta wrap up. I think next week,   if I can be reminded,   I'd really like to do a a big jump into scripture and, and all that law stuff and everything because it's a lot of fun or at least make it a good section of the show next week.   Anyway, Monica, it's been fantastic that you rocked up and didn't see my messages earlier and saved me even more embarrassment than I already had. And it's been a cracking   it's been fantastic. And we'll have you back again in a month. That'd be great. It'll be it'll be officially autumn this time next month. We'll have gone past September 21, so the leaves will be falling and all that kind of stuff. But to Nathan and to Eric and to Monica, thanks everyone for making it a cracking show tonight. Everybody in YouTube and Rumble Yes. Brilliant.  

So many good comments and we don't read out enough. I apologize for that. I read them, but I can't always get them in because it's all these other buggers talking so much.   Oh,  

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okay. Sorry about that. Yeah. It's alright. Thank you, Paul. It was my pleasure to join you all  

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and thank you, Nathan. Thank you, Eric. Always a pleasure. It's a play always a pleasure. Yes. Always a pleasure. We'll see you all next week, everyone. Go well. Cheers. See you soon.  

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Bye bye.