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PAUL ENGLISH LIVE #101 · paulenglishlive.com
Thursday August 21st · 8pm UK · 3pm US eastern

Thomas Anderson returns from the fatherland.

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In this episode, we dive into a lively discussion about the cultural and political climate in both England and Germany. We explore the recent surge in national pride in England, marked by an increase in flag displays, and the mixed reactions it has sparked. Our guest, Thomas Anderson, provides insights into the political landscape in Germany, highlighting the ongoing challenges with migration and the socio-political dynamics at play. We also touch upon the historical narratives that shape our understanding of past events, questioning the established stories and considering alternative perspectives.

The conversation takes a turn towards the future, as we contemplate the impact of AI and automation on society. We discuss the potential for AI to transform industries and the implications for human creativity and labor. The episode wraps up with a reflection on the value of human effort and the essence of creativity, pondering whether technology can truly replicate the soul and spirit that define human achievements. Join us for a thought-provoking exploration of past, present, and future challenges.

[00:00:09] Unknown:

Hi, everyone. Welcome back. It's Thursday, August 21.   This means that August is nearly over.   I I mean, I know it's only just started, but it's nearly over.   Unbelievable. Anyway,   we got a good guest rolling up who's not been around here for ages in about half an hour's time. Thomas Anderson's gonna be joining us later in the show. We've got the usual crew here ready to talk genius wisdom level communication.   Let's start the show.   And the whole of, England and the, and Great Britain's gone jolly old flagtastic   bonkers over the last few days.  

See, we do a show about flags, everybody's catching on.   Yep.   Flags, flags everywhere,   even edged on people's underwear or something like that. It's just been a flagtastic sort of time of it over here, much to the chagrin of the usual suspects. People are getting quite worried.   I'm hoping that most of you have seen   some of the sorts of worried looks and comments from the usual chattering classes. What's going on? The English seem to care about their own nation. What an amazing what an amazing turn of events. So I think, we're way ahead of the curve here on this show. As you remember, we had Hannah on about four weeks ago, or is it three weeks ago, or is it five weeks ago? I can't remember. A week's not very long around here, is it, these days? And, we were talking about that white Anglo Saxon   dragon flag,   which I haven't seen many of yet. So it shows you there's a huge market for it, but it's been very encouraging to see the Union Jacks and the Saint George Crosses,   going up all over the place. I got a phone call,   yesterday,   actually, from Gary. Shout out to Gary.  

Maleficus Scott knows him. You might have heard Maleficus reference Gary a few times. He had him on his show a few months ago or a few weeks back. And Gary,   is   based in and lives up and around Birmingham. And,   he called me yesterday, the other day, to,   oh, hang on just a minute. I've got a little problem. I always have a tech problem. Why is it doubled up?   Why is it doubled up?   It's doubled up, is it?   That doesn't make sense. Sorry about this everybody. We've got a little   we've got a finagling thing going on. Oh, hang on just a minute.   Let me just check.  

Sorry, we've got a doubling up of sound for some reason and I don't quite know why but these things do happen.   I was hoping to make a completely silky start of things today but apparently not. Let me just check a few things. You might hear me coming back at myself in a second. Five times   this sort of thing happens. Doesn't make too much sense to me, but there we go. Let's have a look.   Bling up of sound for some reason. I don't quite know why, but these things do happen. No. It seems alright. I was hoping to make a completely silky start of things today, but apparently not. Let me just check.   Let me just have a look here. I wonder what's taking place. Sorry about this, everybody.  

These things sometimes do happen. Let me just check a couple of things here.   What could possibly be causing that? I haven't changed anything. He said, honest.   Yeah. Hi, Paul.  

[00:04:25] Unknown:

To this show was so hilariously   joyful,   and it just set the tone for probably the most enjoyable   show that I've ever been a part of. So I just wanted to thank you for that Right. For that hiccup at the beginning. It's all downhill. Oh, I know what's doubling up. Sorry.  

[00:04:44] Unknown:

Just found out what it was. Thank you. I think that should have, nipped it in the bud, Patrick, if you can let me know. I'll bring you in in a little while.   Thanks very much. Sorry about that on Soapbox. We were doubling up. I just found out what it is. My brain's actually still working. Got so many screens open here. I say this all the time. You must be bored of hearing me say it. I'm bored of actually saying it. So this is a much more sober start. It's not as hilarious and as hectic as the other week. I was actually hoping that we we should start the show completely mad and bonkers with the whole thing. Anyway,   yeah. We're down to we're down to one presence on it right now. Cool. Fantastic. We've got the okay. Sorry about that. I I just want you to know that I'm not the only person cursed with this stuff. Anybody that, if you tuned into Ria's show on Sunday, shout out to everybody on WBN by the way.  

There was a bit of a technical moment there with dead air for five or six minutes or so, all to do with hardware letting us down. So   anyway, it just comes with the territory. I guess you're all kind of used to it now. So   good job. I've tidied it up. Now where was I? Oh yeah. I was just talking about Gary   and,   had a chat with him the other day about t shirts, these t shirts and things for getting white dragons and stuff on them.   The flags are still a work in progress trying to find a high quality flag maker. They do exist, of course. I've just not really fully got around to it. But I was asking him what it was like in and around Birmingham. This would be Thursday morning.   No. Wednesday morning. It's Thursday today. Yesterday morning.  

And, he said there were a lot   a lot of flags around. So I'm just letting you know.   So we're on the cutting edge here. I I don't think you need to be a genius to understand the power of flags, but it's really hit home again. Somebody actually sent me a really inordinately silly flag today that's apparently going to be the replacement union jackets full of all these rainbow colors and all this kind of stuff. It's a spoof or something by, you know, the usual suspects, I would imagine,   but it's great. It's put the wind up on. I think this is really rather fantastic stuff.   Anyway,   welcome everybody to the show. Welcome to the crew that are on the show, if I can just find you because I've lost you now.  

Hang on just a minute. Here we go. There we go.   Yep. Hi. So, Eric, anyway, good evening and welcome to the show. How are you? You've you've been out not having fun, I understand. Is that right?  

[00:06:58] Unknown:

Greetings. Yes. Yes. I was gonna go out for an evening,   where,   where was it? Where when you, use,   refined water in there. Bloody what's the word? Like a pendulum you used to find,   anyway, I was gonna do Dowsing.   You were wrong. That's the word I was looking for. Dowsing. You're off hand for a bit of dowsing. Okay. I was gonna go for a bit of dowsing,   to a place,   from 06:30 to 08:00.   Yeah. And, I was a bit late on what I was working on, and I thought, spot it.   I think the Paul English show is far more important than dowsing, so I decided decided to be a good boy and come on your show.   If you believe that bullshit, believe anything.  



[00:07:43] Unknown:

Of course. And you you know, you took a leap before the show, so you found water quite easily that way, didn't you? Yes. So they they were all in the same boat. Yeah. That's cool. Yes. I gave my, I gave my contribution at Birmingham's water supply, so there we go. Are there is there such a as you were saying, the word dowsing, I thought, yeah. Now I want some dowser   trousers. There's gotta be dowser trousers. If you because you're a dowser. Right? So if you go dowsing, you're a dowser. So are there such things as dowser trousers? There ought to be. There might be.  

[00:08:12] Unknown:

Well, actually Just sounds grand. If if you go barefoot on the land, there's one bloke who's a scientist who's looked into it, and he reckons that we are like batteries. And one leg is negative, and the other leg is positive. And we sort of charge up from the Earth. So there we go. Which is which? Is it the left that's positive or the right?  

[00:08:33] Unknown:

So so Yeah. I know. I go barefoot. I sometimes in the wheat fields, I go bare naked at 08:00 at night and terrify all the local residents. No. I don't really. But   Yeah. I do a reggie. So do I. And You do a reggie parent. Really? Yes. Yes. I do occasionally, and my case comes up next week. Does it?   They actually if outside of this conversation, if you don't know what Reggie Perrin is, there was a, a very witty and slightly surreal   British comedy series in the when would it be? Was it late seventies, early eighties, something like that? It was about mid seventies, and it's cool. Was it was it the fall and rise of Reginald Perry or a rise and fall of Reginald Perry? I can never I think it was the yeah. Maybe the rise and fall. And then they did a a sequence which was the fall and rise or whatever. But the opening sequence, he comes down to a beach. He's basically it's the it's all the opening credits, and he's a bit naffed off with life or at least you find this out as the epic the opening,   episode unfolds. And he comes down to a beach. He takes all his clothes off and puts them yeah. All of them. You know, it's a bit bit risky, really, all this kind of stuff. Yeah. You don't see any of the naughty bits, thankfully. Good grief. No. Not particularly after you've had Yorkshire pudding and stew. It's just it's it's a frightful sight. And, he runs off into the sea, swims about a bit, and comes back out again. And, basically, this was him faking his own death. What I would like you to know is that that sequence was shot on the very beach that I've been walking by this evening. How about that? Really? Yeah. Really? And it was mid It looked like   midwinter where they did it because he looked bloody cold. Yeah. I think it it probably was. It probably was. And, so yeah. So if I were to go Reggie Perrin,   there's history around here for that sort of thing. It happens. They even sent a film crew down here to do it. Yeah. So all that kind of stuff. And and he worked for Sunshine Desserts.  



[00:10:18] Unknown:

And in his boss's room, the boss had a flash alert seat, didn't he? So every time he sat down, that's a CJ.   CJ. Yes. CJ.   I loved CJ. I remember that was it. Great. Super.  

[00:10:32] Unknown:

Oh, yeah. The sick of that sick of   that super CJ.   Super great. Fantastic. So what was the guy that he was Yeah. And then the other one he used to say, that's that's what did he either when he said, that's so Arizona City fantastic or something really garbage like that.   Remember that? He used to come out with that track. He did. And then CJ was always getting hold of Reggie. He goes, Reggie, I didn't get what I am today by not looking a puppy fox in the mouth, Reggie. That kind of thing. I loved CJ. He was brilliant, wasn't he? At the most evil of the set. Was  

[00:11:07] Unknown:

yes. He was an actor. And what I like about Richard Perron is he owned a a load of shops called,   Grot Shops where he sold grotty stuff to people that lacked taste,   and it was a success.  

[00:11:22] Unknown:

I know.   But isn't that kind of what we talk about here? Like, counterintuitive   cultural marketing. So Yes. Yeah. He opened this shop. It was Grott, g r o t t, and it was just full of crap.   And people loved it.   They loved it, didn't they? And it just took off much to his chagrin. He was a bit cheesed off about this. And he couldn't stop it being a success. He was trying to sort of ruin everything.   And then Grot became an, a multinational corporation   with with tentacles or is it should I say testicles all over the world doing the yeah. It was pretty cool. I quite like that. I think they did a remake, but it wasn't gonna be the same.  

[00:11:56] Unknown:

It wasn't the same. No. But, oh, the the the full that that Reggie Perrin, that that I I was a bit of a real fan of that. The remake was rubbish. I'd I'd you saw about hundred minutes. I mean, that was it. Mhmm. But, well, I was it he he he was a success most of his life, and he wanted to be a failure. That was the thing, wasn't it? Or something like that. It it it's Yes. But everything I I kind of I can kind of identify with that. It's it's the other way around, really. I can sort of I think I've managed to achieve that quite naturally without without even trying, frankly. I don't know what you think. I mean, it's kind of effortless in some of us all that.   What I like though is, I mean, with CJ,   they're all crawling around him, wouldn't they? All the time. Oh, yes, CJ. Yes.  

And and,   CJ says, right. We're gonna expand our marketing to the continent. And the the two two sycophants,   great. Super.  

[00:12:53] Unknown:

You do that too well. We're gonna have to get some scripts to read and redo it. Billy said by the way, shout out to everybody in Rumble chat and YouTube chat. Good evening or good afternoon to you depending on what part of the world you're in or even good middle of the night if you're an Australian.   Billy Silver writes, the Martin Clunes version was actually quite good. Okay. I'm gonna have to defer to you because I never got around to watching it. I think it's by the time that came around, I'd kinda stopped watching TV much when was that? About twenty years ago? Maybe it's even older than that. The interesting thing about Reggie   Perrin,   and this taps into what we were talking about on Monday,   is that Reggie Reggie Perrin was played by the actor Leonard Rossiter, who appeared in many Stanley Kubrick films.  

Did he not?  

[00:13:37] Unknown:

He did. I think, I think that the only one he didn't appear in was The Shining.   I'm not I might have had a walk on party. That is where he didn't notice it, but he was on all of all the English ones. He he he was he's in, wasn't he? Yeah. As as we're saying on Monday, I still think, Kubrick's   finest film   was,   I'm like, I forgot the bleeding name of it. That one. But it's so good. That one. Oh, it's so good. By it. You can't remember. Yes. I can't remember the bleeding now. Yeah.  

[00:14:06] Unknown:

It's the one with Ryan O'Neil and Leonard Rossiter.  

[00:14:09] Unknown:

That's it. Yeah. Yeah. And,   Yeah. Oh, hang on. Put the bleeding now. Do you know? It's just gone I'm in general. I'm enjoying your discomfort. I'm quite enjoying   it. I can just hear your brain reaching for it. It's fantastic. My my my prompts has come to the rescue. Thank you, Patrick. It's Barry Lyndon. Yes. Yeah. One of the I just think that was the best   Kubrick film there was. I don't think,   you know, some people say it's a shiny no. I think it's Barry Lyndon. It was perfection. The nearest to to it you could get.  

[00:14:42] Unknown:

Yeah. There'll never be another Kubrick. I don't think. Well, you know what? I've got the joy of actually watching all of that because I think I've only ever watched the opening twenty, twenty five minutes then for whatever reason. But it it it does look pretty cool. I think there was a new recut of it done about 2016   or something   or an enhanced version of it, you know, where they   played with all the quality of the images.   But one of the things that I didn't mention the other night when we touched upon this was that this project that he had to do the life of Napoleon.   I I think I just touched on it briefly, and I went off and read a bit more about it. So this was and I have to say, I wished he had done that, although it it couldn't have been one film. It would have had to be at least a trilogy as we've mentioned before, because there's there's just too much to cram in. It's sort of silly.  

But, he read,   by way of research,   because I think that was the next project he was about to do because he died, I would say, relatively   young at the age of 70.   As we said, only a day or so after this private screening of Eyes Wide Shut.   But he'd read 200 books on Napoleon   as part of his research.   Wow. And that's how you do it. It's got to be done like that. And I don't know if you here's another interesting quirky fact.   There are two people in recent history of whom more books have been written than anybody else, like off the charts. One is Adolf Hitler and the other one is Napoleon Bonaparte, and they're both in excess of 100,000   books   each.  

Different titles all. It's amazing, isn't it? Yeah.   Yeah.   And I've just,   interesting for people that are into all this kind of stuff, and I am sort of I think the whole thing with the French Revolution, that period of history is   repeating itself. You know, what goes around comes around, different form, but same sort of essence to the whole thing. I'm sure many of you are aware of that.   What was I gonna say? Brain's gone. Look, I've got I'm having a scene in a moment.  

[00:16:40] Unknown:

Patrick has just just just the, my number one prompt has just said he's looked this up and said Barry Lyndon Yeah. Is a 1975   historical drama   film written, directed, and produced by Stanley Kubrick based on the 1844   novel, The Luck of,   where is it? The screen just got a bit. Barry Lyndon,   by William   Makepeace   Thackeray. What a name. William Makepeace Thackeray. You can just imagine William Wakepeek, you know, writing it with his,  

[00:17:11] Unknown:

quill, you know. And, so there you go. Well, Makepeace is quite nice, actually. Maybe we should all adopt it as a middle name and go around going, hey, man,   and flower power and all that. I tell I know what I was gonna tap into. I was talking with,   Malefika Scott last night   and,   he recommended a book to me. So I looked it up online and I managed to get a copy there and then for £3.75.   They'll call me Tommy Tightwad for nothing including postage and packing from Amazon, a used copy but in very good to excellent condition, it said. I'm going good grief. It's called, it just sounds amazing and I'll let I and Maleficus was telling me, he said it's absolutely fantastic.   It's called the Letters of Private Wheeler.  

And Wheeler,   fought at Waterloo   and was part of the British army across Europe in the Peninsular Wars. And and it's his letters that he wrote. Apparently, they're of a literally very high standard,   and they revealed things about the soldier's life two hundred years ago, which of of I saw some of the comments that it's not too dissimilar to today.   He's crawling on his belly to get sort of, like, within eight feet of a listening post where there are French troops, all this kind of stuff. And then I I although I haven't even got it yet, it's it's due to be here, they were saying that after after the Battle of Waterloo, they went to Paris. Right? The British British Army. Many of them went to Paris and were treated great.   They went to these restaurants and everything. Yeah.  

Yeah. Oh, it's just weird. It's like, oh, are we not fighting? We can't fight all the time. We've got to eat. I just it's just a different world, innit? It's,   yeah. So I'm looking forward to getting into that because anything that's written firsthand, you know, from people involved in it can be gripping in a way that other things often cannot be. So,   not that this necessarily has to be a show about Waterloo, although it's a fascinating event for really for the a bit like World War two because of the run up to it and all that kind of stuff, you know. Yes. Yes. And apparently, when they were charged, when they had cannonballs,  

[00:19:09] Unknown:

they could actually see the balls coming towards them and sort of duck out of them and move out of the way.   But then the enemy got wiser that, so they put they tied two cannonballs to a chain. Yep. So you had two cannonballs coming towards you with a chain, and that that would be even more lethal. But apparently, you could. You could actually   very quickly, you could move out their way Yeah. If you're quick.  

[00:19:30] Unknown:

Well, I re I remember reading a report of a guy. I don't know whether it was at Waterloo. I think it was. I mean, it sounds, you know, like a I'm bound to say that. There were loads of battles, so it might not have been. But I'm pretty sure in this case it was. A British guy was talking   to his colonel who was stood next to him about five feet away. A bang went off. He said, I looked over and the colonel's head had disappeared.   It it basically I cannonballer just literally take his head clean off.   This sort of stuff was going on all the time.   Yeah.  

Quite great. What about, It's not like shopping at Aldi. It's a little bit calmer down there. Just a little bit.  

[00:20:07] Unknown:

What about a bloke who had his, leg shot off?   And he's one of the high ups? I don't know who it was.   And he said,   to the general, he said, oh, is it the leg's gone? And general ran and said, oh, yes. So it has.   As calm as that. The leg's gone. Yes. So it has. You know? The the the they were made of something else in those days. I can't understand what it was, but bloody tough.  

[00:20:30] Unknown:

They really were. I don't know. Or maybe these are just apocryphal tales where they big themselves up for their I I can't imagine it was all super pleasant. I mean, I just can't really. But, yeah, it was different. I think, you know, we've said this, but people were just leatherier, weren't they? They would be generally in life more leathery.   Yeah. You would. You're out in the you're out in the you know? Oh, oh, you'd be you'd be pleased with me today.   Well, I don't know if that's the right thing to say, so I'm just a good school kid. I, I think I mentioned I had to go to the dentist today.   And Oh, yes. Yes. Yeah. And it's Did did you give him a mouthful?  



[00:21:07] Unknown:

Sorry.  

[00:21:09] Unknown:

No.   But I'll remember that next time I go, which is gonna be September 11. How about that? What a date they pick for me.   And, yes, September 11, they're taking two teeth out. No. They're not. I just made that up. And,   so I was not kind of really looking forward to it. Yeah. Because I've I've had I anyway, I just I'm I'm furious about my teeth, really. Give me such grief. It's exhausting really. So   and I was in a lot of pain over the weekend. Yeah. Anyway, I goes up there   expecting to see the same crew I saw before, but but I was in for an extremely pleasant surprise.   There was a new dentist there, a lady dentist who was fantastic.  

I mean, she was pretty. She was young, but her energy was just brilliant.   And because I'd been planning to go private, I'd looked at the costs. I can't afford it, but I want my teeth doing that bad. I'll remortgage the house or whatever I have to or rob old ladies to do it. It's that bad. Right? I would never do that, of course. This is a sick, evil joke that I just told, and it's not even funny. But,   so I go in, and she was just brilliant. It was absolutely fantastic. Really good. She went through all the teeth, and she said, actually, she said, your teeth are not that bad. I said, oh, that's nice to hear something. She said, there's just this one at the back, and I know which one it is.   And, she took a photograph of it with this little camera,   which seemed to be even neater than the ones I'd seen before. It was like a little light   on the end of, like a pencil. She just said, oh, I'm your cake, girl. I went, alright. And she took a picture of that, and then there was a little scan on the cheek, and she said, look. Here's where all the inflammation is. So I've got a bacterial infection above this tooth, and this is what causes me to get an abscess every now and again. And I'm kind of figuring there's gotta be some way. There's gotta be some strange weird food or something that I could take that would hammer that. I don't care what it is. I there's gotta be something that can get into my blood system and get all of that bacteria at the top of the tooth and start kicking shit out of it, excuse my French, but I really want it to happen. And one of the problems is,   I always like talking teeth, everybody. A root canal is £1,100.  

Good job. I had five of them. Oh.   No. I haven't had five. I've had three. So that'd be cost me three I wouldn't advise it.   I wouldn't advise a root canal. Well, I I I mean, I have a told you my my classic root I'll tell you it in a second. I've said it here before, but I've I've got an amazing root canal story where it went badly wrong. But today,   it just went well. What's happened is I had a tooth extracted about   seven or eight years ago below this tooth that's causing all the problem.   Mhmm. And you don't realize this before you have your teeth taken out. I mean, I should do. I'm more a thick out. But because there's no tooth at the bottom pushing back against the tooth at the top, the tooth at the top just keeps bloody growing.   It's got no kickback pressure to keep it in place. It just keeps and this is causing it to become more infected as it were. It's just an absolute booger. I've also got a gap between two teeth,   which when when I go out to a restaurant, I'm if I I always go with floss. I have to because of this one particular gap because half of my meal ends up stuck in this gap and pulling a huge lumps of steak afterwards. Good lord. Keep me, you know, all this, that, and the other. So, anyway, I've got a little plan. It's all sorted out. I'm not having mercury fillings. I want them all removed. I've got about,   five to come out. This is the first one. There's another four in my mouth I've gotta go. I've got a gold tooth because I did want to look like a pirate, and I do, but it's not at the front. It's at the back, so I have to really up my mouth wide   as pirates often used to. That's right. And, yeah. So it no. But I came out of there. It was great. I went up on my bike. That was what I wanted to tell you. I was late, so I jumped on the bike. It was a lovely morning, and I felt invigorated   going onto the bike. And I thought, oh, I need to I need to really start my biking out and get back into this because it was just yeah. It was good. You feel like a every time you get in your bike, you feel like a big kid. Right?  



[00:24:59] Unknown:

Oh, crumbs. It's it's it's fantastic. And and also what I like is being a tight fisted get. You're cycling on thinking this is free. Yeah. Another thing I like I like cycling next to traffic jams because,   I was cycling down a bus lane once, which we're allowed to do, it's quite legal. Yeah. And there was a Porsche sitting in this traffic jam, and he's just going along very very slowly, and I'm sort of going sneering going   straight past him.   The other good funny thing to do is,   break the speed limit on a push button. If it's 20 miles  

[00:25:34] Unknown:

on our zone. That's another fun one. Well, you're gonna be breaking it all the time if they have their wicked way. It's gonna be 20 miles an hour everywhere, isn't it? Isn't that what they're gonna do? Yeah? Well, I think it's be on the motorway, isn't it? You know, you I think it'd be,  

[00:25:46] Unknown:

be a 20 mile motorway thing.  

[00:25:49] Unknown:

But, Anyway, can I tell you my root canal story?   I'll tell you my root canal story. We're gonna go to a song in a few minutes then we're gonna bring our guest in just after the half hour mark. Thomas Anderson is waiting in the winks chomping at the bit.   This would be in the nineties when I was,   living in Wimbledon,   and it was a Friday   and, I was in a lot of pain. So I went to see the dentist and they said root canal. I said, yeah. Okay. Get on with it. Said we can do it now because I'm free all afternoon. Everybody's, you know, we're not booked in. I said, get on with it. This is about 01:00.   So they do a root canal,   and I go home,   and the Novocaine is work wear wearing off,   and I'm in agony,   and they'd done the wrong tooth.  



[00:26:33] Unknown:

Oh, no. Yeah. I'm serious.  

[00:26:36] Unknown:

I'm serious. So I go back. I I call him up and   said, I'm not gonna be able to get through the weekend unless you actually give me whatever it is, you know. Can I cut my own head off? I said, I can't even think it's that bad. It was awful. Right? It was really I hate it. I really hate it. I sound like a big baby, don't know where I am. When it comes to toothache, I just I'm I'm not particularly manly about it. It's gonna be nuts. I've been there, seen it. I can't stand toothache. Bloody hate it. It's just I can't think. That's what I'm going I'm not in charge of my brain anymore. It's just a big thing going on. So I go back at 04:00.   Because my mouth was all swollen from the previous one,   it was a a tremendous challenge for the dentist to get the needle back in to stick more novocaine and to renumb it and the needle, I'm not kidding, I was counting on my figure, went into the skin   26 times before she got the nerve.  

That was great. It was. It was. But it don't end there. So then she does the second one, and it was the right tooth. I can although I didn't know at the time. I go home. I'd not eaten all day because you don't you're not supposed to eat for all these things. Right? I'm full of Novocaine. I didn't know any of this stuff. I go home. I'm knackered. I think I need a bath. So I get in the bath.   Big mistake. I get out of the bath. I'm in the bath for about half an hour. Nice and warm. Felt brilliant. Yeah. I got out of the bath. I sat on the chair next to the bath and I collapsed. That's the last I remember of it. And   Kath came in   and,   she would tell me she was panicked because I was just completely unconscious. And, they had to call for the horse for the ambulance. How traumatic is this? It's pathetic, isn't it? Yeah. And,   they came and saw me and they measured my blood pressure. She said, you've barely got any blood pressure. I said, oh,   what's be and they asked me what had been happening. I told them about the amount of Novocaine that I go into my body. They said,   right. They said, well, what Novocaine does is it lowers your blood pressure. I said, okay. And then you got into a warm bath. I said, yeah. She said, well, that spreads the blood out even further across your entire body, so your blood pressure dropped even further. And then when you go out of the bath and you sat upright,   your heart went to pump something to keep you conscious and there's nothing there. Bang. And I tell you the really weird thing. How about this? You know, you see those sequences in films where everybody's life, their entire life flashes before them.  

You know that thing? Yeah. I know what you mean. Yes. They say that. This happened to me, and I'll tell you how it happened visually.   You know, when you see those calendars in films that turn over with the dates, like sheets of paper getting torn off and they're just on a big sort of Rolodex type thing. Yeah. Well, I was looking at a wall as I was unconscious in my sort of last vestiges of consciousness.   And on this wall, there must have been a grid of about a 100 of these things, like 10 by 10, a big square on the wall, and all of them were all turning over at once and they all had images of my life and I could just it was like a blur, a download   of everything that had taken place. That's pretty cool, really, isn't it? I'd not thought that that would be a way in which you could see it. Well Yeah.  



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Yeah. I suppose it keeps you amused while she's snuffing it, don't it? I mean, you know, you got something to do then. Yeah. You know what I mean? It does.   It does. Yes. But,   did I ever tell you the time when I went to the see, when I was young and the same with you? Did you know that dentists used to get, a bonus for how many fillings they gave to so that's why when you went to the dentist to get things here, like, this morning. I was telling her. I said, you know, because we were talking about mercury fillings. I said she said, do you want a mercury filling £70,  

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or do you want a white one 200? I said, £200. I said, I'm loaded. Hang hang on. Yeah. Hold on. I paid £80 for my my my Oh, you need to get your teeth done down here where Reggie Perrin used to get his teeth done, mate. It's right. It's cheap as shit. So £73.  

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£73.   That's that's not bad.   And does she do it without an anesthetic? Because I I don't have an anesthetic when I have the fillings done. Yeah.  

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And And Sally writes it. She says, what Paul is describing sounds like a near death experience. I guess it was. Yes. It was. Yeah. It was. What   and what happened to, you know, Miles Be careful if you go for a root canal, everybody.  

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I I Talk about root canal. Killed me.   Well, what happened with Miles,   he he went into,   a mate of his who's a dentist Yeah. And he went there.   And,   he said, oh, sir. He said, I don't have an aesthetic. It's perfectly okay. Mhmm. And he didn't realize   that the bloke was giving him a root canal. And he said   he went,   ah. He said, hang on a minute.   You've done a root canal? I said, yeah. Well, so not like that. I said, little local now. Yeah.  

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Yes. She said, I thought it was a bit odd, please. I I tell you what, the actual root canal operation, Harry. I didn't find it squeamish at all. I just I knew what they were gonna do. It's just like a big farting around filling. I went, that's alright.   But one of the teeth, I've got gold capped as I said now at the end. Anyway, let's go to a song.   You know this song. Just a moment.   Oh, Paul. Yes?  

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Let me see, let me see if I can help you with with your,   with your, infection in your gum.   Yeah.   I had   a Wi Fi router that failed.   Mhmm. And when I got that router six years ago, I told the tech to remote into it and turn off the five g radio, which he did. Yeah. Well, that router failed. And when they sent the replacement,   I called the tech and I said, turn off the five g radio. He said, we can't do that. Mhmm. Within three days of having that five g router within five feet of my head,   I came up with a tooth infection   that infected my entire upper jaw. My   my upper lip felt like I was a supermodel and I had taken Botox injections or whatever, collagen injections.  

It was absolutely horrible.  

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Right.  

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The pain,   unbelievable.   Chewing aspirin left and right. The short story   that I   shouldn't have made long is   I rinsed out my mouth with three drops of chlorine dioxide   in one ounce of water   for sixty seconds,   twice a day, and that infection was gone   in fewer  

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days than it took for it to show up. Okay. I'm gonna I'm gonna call you after the show about that. I need to make a note of that. I mean, what I've been doing I wanted to actually   I want what I've been doing, just to let you know, and I mentioned it to her, I brush my teeth with coconut oil.   That's one thing. And the other thing before that is I put salt water in a glass of distilled water and do a ma a mouth gaggle. I've been told if you do the salt thing and then do the coconut thing, those two things kill off loads of nasties in your mouth. But I need to attack   bacteria that's in the root of the tooth   that's inside me. It's not on the out you can't get to it from the outside. I need something in my I need sort of, like, you know, Kryptonite for I need some liquid Kryptonite that kills bugs at the top of teeth,   so because it's cracked. This tooth is cracked, and that's why it gets infected. Garlic garlic will will kill it. Garlic will will it's marvelous. I know. But let's go to a song. Well, look, we can carry on talking about teeth afterwards because I wanna bring Thomas on. Let's go to this song. This is you all know this song. It's an intermediary song. It's a German band singing about a great English chap. We play this quite regularly but you can't resist. This is the man with the big cigar and then we're gonna bring on the man who has written a lot of books. Thomas Anderson will be with us after this song. See you all on the other side of this.  



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Who is that man   with the big cigar?   Whose greatest   friend is the USSR.   He's known around   from near and far.   That actor man   with the big cigar.   He pops away every night and day with a twinkle in his eyes.   And all the while behind that smile lurks many an untold light down white hallway.   You'll see his car.   He's   here. He's there. He's everywhere.   The friend of the USSR.   Be sensitive.   It's the slogan of his land.   And he'll fight until it's finished.   And there's no one left to stem.   He'll keep the red black lion,   no hammered black and blue,   for he's getting more than he bargained for that fat friend of the dew.  

So keep your chins up one and all, and remember what I say.   If Britons were to have ridden through,   they'd sent that man away. Who is that man   with a big cigar?   He's here. He's there. He's everywhere.   That man with a big cigar.   34  

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And welcome back. And that wasn't a top of the hour of break. We just take the breaks whenever we feel like it because it's mayhem around here. We couldn't bear too much talk about teeth. But, anyway, welcome back to the next part. And, Thomas Anderson has joined us. And, Thomas, were you enjoying all the chat   about teeth?  

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If you read my comments, you see that I was listening very good, and and and then I liked some of the   stories.   The the listeners cannot,   of course, read what I I just wrote in the chat. You were talking about inflammations of of your teeth, and and, for those who who listen to our show, I would like to add that,   I had the same experience some months ago. Yep. And before that, some,   like, I don't know, half a year ago or something, I read about,   oregan oil   having   better   anti inflammation   efficiency than normal anti antibiotics.   Right. So I just bought my some some oregano oil, and and and it stood here for doing nothing. And then I recognized that that, it was   it,   it was hard to to   make some some fights in in, for example, hard bread, etcetera.  

It hurt. It hurt. And   then I took,   as it was described,   a very small glass with oil of olives,   two or three centimeters only, and then only three drops of this oregano oil   and and stuck it in between my teeth and and and around in my mouth. And within only one night, this inflammation was gone.  

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Right.   Oregano oil or oregano, as we say over here in the jolly old   England thing.   Yeah. I know.   Yeah. Oregano.   Yeah. Do you call it oregano, Paul? What do they call it in America? Is it called oregano?  

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It's it's oregano.   And,   the way I did it, I did three drops of chlorine dioxide. You rinse your mouth out with it, swish it around particularly in the area even if you have to tip your head down.   So it it's in contact with every part of your gum.   And   some of the chlorine dioxide soaks in through the skin and goes to attack the infection immediately,   directly.   And then after you've swished it around in your mouth, I know it's gross, but do it anyway,   swallow it. That gets it into the stomach, it gets it into the blood bloodstream, and then it goes everywhere.   And all it took was three days.  

No antibiotics,   no nothing, and I could barely talk.   My, my lip was so my lip and my jaw was so swollen. I could feel it in the roof of my mouth. Well, I'm gonna have to get around to looking at the oregano then as I will pronounce it.  

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But yeah.   I know Eric was mentioning about the garlic. The garlic has been my lifesaver.   I've got bulbs of it here,   And I've been,   last earlier in the week, I had the clove,   and I cut it in half so that there's a big sheet of freshly exposed garlic. I had it in my mouth all night while I slept. I just trapped it in the gum, so it was in there for, like, eight, nine hours.   I did that for a couple of days and it works. It's the most phenomenal antibiotic.   Anyway, I I'm trusting Thomas that your teeth are okay then. Your teeth are fine. Yeah. Mhmm. Cool. Yep. Fine. Good.   And, it's some months since you were here. Now, I I think probably mistakenly, the last time we spoke was about the bell,   but did we speak after that? I mean, my mind's scrambled. I can't remember whether we did. I just remember the bell episode as being so interesting. It's you came on afterwards, that doesn't mean to say that it was dull. It's just that the bell one really sticks out in my mind.  

But maybe you did. Maybe you came back after that. How puzzling.   I don't know. I'm sorry. I don't remember. Yeah. Well, none of us remember. This is a good sign. I'm glad that I'm not the only one that's incredibly forgetful about what we've all just done recently.   Have you anyway, how have things been for you? Have you been doing much writing recently or is this something that's not as big a part of your day to day   situation, or are you on with books? Because I am. Many people won't know that you are a prolific   producer of books in the German language, obviously,   covering many of the areas that we cover here on the show.  



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I would like to add that they're also available in English, if you know that.  

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English?   What's that?   They're phasing that out, aren't they?   Yes.   I do.   I do I do know about English. Yes. I've got quite a bit about that. Yeah. They are in English as well, everybody. Thomas Anderson. You're on, Amazon. Is that right? You're still on Amazon, your books? Yes.   Cool.  

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Yeah. So Yeah. So I I I've I've I've not been to in in much writing. There there is one book on the way that it that is taught   tell like that, but,   it it will be a very long way.   From from time to time, let's say,   six months,   and and then again, six months pausing, then then I perhaps write some lines, translate something, and then then   add some two or three pages, but it will it will take an awful long time to finish that book.  

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Right.   Should   do I dare ask what it's addressing, what it's covering,   or is this secrets world? It it covers  

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it covers a topic that was covered already by a British author,   very long ago.   It is about   some   inner   world,   populations   which have been discovered   by German and British researchers   around 1600   1,700.   So it is very, very long ago,   and, those populations   have been there already at that time and and are still there today.  

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So dwellers of the inner earth,   is that roughly what it's about?  

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No. There's just simply populations within the inner Earth. They don't have to dwell something. There are there is there are many caves   as big as taxes or even bigger,   so there there's lots of space to to live in.  

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Do you think there's enough space for for us to go there? What do you think?   More than enough, but I don't know if they want us there. But if you could get a map and something, get something sorted out, Thomas, this might be coming quite useful. We could,   we could go off on a hiking expedition and get down to these caves. That's the first I mean, I've heard obviously or read,   intimately   about the inner earth and all these other things. I remember the one I always remember is The Smoky God,   which is about this,   the trip of a father and son, Norwegian father and son in the '18   I think it's thirties or forties,   to the Lofoten Islands where they get knocked off course, basically, or all their their little simple compass   in their fishing vessel goes completely wonky, and they end up literally   floating their boat inside the earth,   where there is a giant sun,   wreathed in smoke, which the people that live down there, who are about nine feet tall,   refer to as the smoky god.  

So   I'm intrigued. I'm intrigued by what you're about to write about, but it's gonna take a long time. So I better not get too intrigued, had I? I'm gonna  

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To go.  

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Sorry. We you just broke up there. We're not quite picking you up as fully as we would like to.   Are you there?  

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It it it will definitely   take some some more years to finish that book. Yep.  

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Anyway,   what's the situation like in in good old Germany? I don't think you directly live there, but I'm assuming that you've got a very close eye on it.   What's the,   are there any sort of markedly interesting   or even uninteresting but marked things that are that are springing up in   in German public discourse or in terms of the,   whoop and woof of German life?  

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I guess, for for those who didn't wake up already, it's business as usual and the normal disgusting politics.   For those who woke up already, it's it's   the same. It's still the same old disgusting politics   and, nothing   very new.   The the politicians in Germany   before the elections   promised to to lower taxes, to lower prices here and there. But, of course, after the elections,   they forgot all these promises. And and now the prices are rising again, and and the tax   system is still the same, and and they won't,   put them down on on electricity, for example, which they have promised and and   and some more. Next year, on on January 1, we will pay €1   per every liter of diesel and and and oil for heating   more,   because it's it's €1   plus on every liter beginning in January.  

So the the people are   are more and more recognizing   that this system   will not,   help them, will will not them save them their money. It's still the same old story. Yeah.  

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So same as same as the other company. I must  

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Yeah. I I must confess, every time I I take a look at at at the Great Britain,   I I I am very surprised because I was taught in the past.   I I at least I feel a little bit better.   In the past, I always thought that that Germany is really the worst place in Europe,   but   it seems that in Great Britain that the situation is is even worse. Meanwhile,   I read a lot and I I I hear a lot about,   let's let's call   it migration problems.   Yeah. And,   it it seems even worse than in German cities. In in German cities, we we hear   more and more about,   some some smaller riots.  

We hear from time to time when it's   when accidentally some of these stories   gets into some of these   newspapers.   We hear from from from knife attacks. And knife attacks, there's even a website in Germany,   where you can   read a map and and you have a a statistic   and on what day you have, how many knife attacks in Germany and what in which city.   I think there are some some   some 100 every day meanwhile.   So it's it's not a very small number,   and we hear   about   rapes of   young women   and even very small children,   and the rapists   are the usual suspects.  

Yeah. Let's call it like that.  

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The Eskimos.  

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I   the Eskimos. Yeah. I even heard one very disgusting story about one of these guys   raping   an 80 year old lady   on the burial side of her husband.   So that that was really   out of of any frame of of discussion.   Mhmm. But things like this happen now in in Germany and I guess also in Britain.   Yeah.   We have to deal with it somehow.  

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Yeah. We do.   I think, you know, I was mentioning there in the in the first bit, we've had a big,   a big uprising of flag flying over here over the last week or so.   I don't have   I haven't noted any directly new ones in my area. Although, about   a mile from where I'm sitting going west,   the the houses there   are always flying them anyway. They've been flying them for years.   But I'm looking at my street and the surrounding area and I'm thinking it's time to get everybody flagged up. But I'm expecting that if we do that, we will all start to get little visits from the wet people,   and their little emissaries coming around saying you can't do this. I mean, I saw there was a discussion. I got a clip earlier today. I'm not gonna play all these clips. There's a lot of them. But there was a a clip I saw, some English guy   saying that this was really bad, you know, because it's making other people feel uncomfortable.  

And it's literally, you know, it's it's a it's a the people I would suggest   who appear to be on our side and ought to be traditionally,   who are   so soft and have lost all sorts of sense of proportion about things, they are the main problem.   There's a huge number of them unfortunately. They completely succumbed   to a kind of nonsense ideology about happiness and all this other stuff which clearly is not being achieved   and yet they're so addicted to their ideology that they literally they'll never ever back down. It's in they're incapable of doing it. I mean, I'm assuming you've got a similar sort of   cultural divide there. Let's call it that for now. Is there is it is it sort of quite clear about the people that are loyal to Germany   and the traditions of Germany and the sort of newly created Borg people that are that are not. I'm assuming you've got something similar.  



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Yes. Of course. It's it's quite the same. Yeah. Yep.  

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Yep. So coming out and supporting everybody. People getting very worried about people actually showing a little bit of passion and interest in their own people. I got sent a document the other day.   I don't know by who who,   who originally and I was thinking it might be   quite fun to read a bit of this out. Where is it now?   This just comes from a a clandestine meeting somewhere in,   in deepest darkest Cornwall, I believe.   So I'm not going to attribute it to anybody because I think it's sensible, but it it was a little document   called,   what is nationalism?  

And there's about nine points on it. I quite liked it and I'm stop me at any point. Any any anybody if you want if you want to stop me on this because it it really addresses, I think, in good part   those sorts of sentences that need to be said more. We talk about this a bit around here about how to say certain things and is it possible to get them across. It's it's title, it says, what is nationalism?   So immediate, a lot of people get worried by even reading that word. It says this,   nationalism is to be proud of who you are.   It is to have an unconditional   love for your homeland   and your people.  

Everybody okay with that?   Say I. Yes. Yeah. Cool. Yes. That's the first one.   Next one. It is someone with a powerful sense of belonging and loyalty to their tribe.   Yeah. I'm I'm on for that. That's cool. Whichever your tribe is, doesn't matter.   The next line. It is someone who honors and seeks to preserve   the unique set of racial and cultural characteristics   handed down to them from their ancestors.   Count me in.   Yeah.   Yeah. I'm assuming, Thomas, that you're just nodding but very quietly in case it's gonna cause trouble. Okay. Very quietly. If anybody's just shout it's probably best if you shout out no or if you've got a query with any of these things. Next one.   It is someone who knows they must defend the last   all that they hold dear   but must also extend respect and wish peace upon all other sovereign nations.  

I like that one a lot. I do. I think that's absolutely spot on.   The next one. It is someone who believes in the right of your people to govern themselves   solely in their best interests and in a manner entirely free   from foreign control.   Well, well, well.   So both of our nations are currently enduring   interference from foreign interests. Let's put it that way, I would suggest.   The next one. It is someone who wants to leave their children a better world,   cities with beautiful buildings,   architecture you see, you can never get away from this, cities with beautiful buildings, and happy   high trust societies free from debt slavery and violence.  

Well, very difficult to not agree with that one.   Next one. We're just over halfway through. It's nice and simple and to the point this. It's someone who wishes to see an end to mass immigration and enforced multiracialism   and the authoritarian,   assault   on our freedom of speech. Yes, please. That would be quite good. Although, we're having a bit of a struggle with freedom of speech over here, Thomas, as you probably are aware.   The people that don't really sort of go in for it too much.   The next one, it is someone who believes in traditional family values. Yep. Top of the tree for me, that one. And wants to raise healthy, honest, and productive children   free from the poison of degenerate   cultural   Marxism. But, I thought it was so good.  

I mean, John McTernan, who I mentioned last week, was proud to be called a Marxist goon. But then, he is the man that said that, we should do to the farmers what Margaret Thatcher did to the miners, which is to beat them up, basically, because we don't need farmers according to this Marxist genius.   Used to be in the government, by the way, Thomas, under Tony Blair about twenty years ago. That's how that's how wonderful some of these chaps are. It is someone it goes on, it says, it's someone who hopes to see a wonderful sense of national spirit and collectivism, I don't know about that word, rise   and guide everything we do   and for the nation in return to once again truly protect and serve the individual.  

It just sounds great. I want all this stuff too. To be a nationalist is to be someone who realizes that life doesn't have to be like it is today.   That something much much better is possible. Now ask yourself this, are you a   nationalist?   Well, I have to say yes, I am, if that's what nationalism is all about.   Comments anyone?  

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So far.  

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No. It's it it it it's all logical, isn't it? When you come to think about it. It is. It is. Because what we're dealing with is insanity.   Total and utter insanity.   Yeah. And I think we've got to ask ourselves the question,   what has caused that insanity?   Because previous generations, if they could have locked into the future, they wouldn't have believed what they're seeing.   I mean, it just is bonkers   what we're seeing. Total and utter bonkers.   I really do think that communism   is a mental illness,   and it's I think it derives from what,   professor Edward Dutton was saying   that,   people survived   after the, and they're not saying it's a bad thing. They survived   after the rev, natural revolution.  

Childbirth, where before the industrial revolution, they wouldn't   have because we got a lot cleaner. We learned about cleanliness   Yep. And   hygiene.   And that's why and then when you think about it, when was it eighteen forties that Karl Marx was around? Mhmm. He was the,   fore of thinking up communism.  

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He was also very dirty.  

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And very dirty. Yes.   So I don't know what about it.   Yeah. But well, that's it. But when you think about it Yep.   He was   born in a sort of the first of the kind of industrial revolution   type   generation. And it's the city folk,   who don't like countryside, who tend to be the Marxists and the communists. There's something about countryside they dislike. They love ugliness   and they yearn for ugliness all the time.   Something wrong in the brain. That's my take on it. Yeah. Any anyone any any questions on that?   One man at the back, please.  

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Well, I know it's a regular theme that we return to here. I'm just wondering, Thomas, in your neck of the woods, have you got lots of beautiful buildings going up?  

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Well, if you take a look at at the German cities when you go around,   nearly no matter where and and which German city, you see a lot of very modern buildings build up, of course, after nineteen forty four five, and and,   the the nearly all the cities have been bombed to the to the ground, and so quite everything is new.   Of course, it had it had to be built in a very short amount of time, so they didn't care a lot of for beauty.   They they they took care for   just building some space no matter how it looks like. And and so   the the modern German cities are not very pretty.  

The architecture   is not very lovely,   compared to, for example, Vienna or Paris.   Of course, also there, you have a lot of very ugly buildings, but but at least there are some older   buildings there in in the in the city   where you can see how it looked like in the earlier days. Mhmm. When you take a look, for example,   Holtenburg Ob Der Tauber, it's it's a city in in in German southern part.   It's a very   quite medieval   kind of of city, beautiful buildings   from 1,500, 1,600, 1,700,   made of wood, etcetera.   Very, very pretty.   In   in Hilisheim, I know that they have a marketplace   which had been restored to the original building structures   I think it was 1,700,   1,800, something like that. So very old buildings, very good looking, but but it was only the marketplace and   nothing more.  

So   I think if if we would have the money,   one of the very good things to do would be just   make something pretty out of of the cities again.  

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Yeah.  

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I can We talk about this a lot. We do talk a lot Local architecture.   Yeah. Yuck.   It's funny. I don't know whether it's something that you really begin to notice the older you get. You're kind of indifferent to it when you're young because you everything's just a blur. It doesn't really matter. And you can just sort of make do with any sorts of stuff. But there is something fantastic   and you notice it more and more about having an environment   where the buildings where the builders of the buildings you know were making a great attempt to actually create beauty   and to put it into your eye line and to have it be part of your life because it is like an extension of your clothing in a way. It's all part of it. We're covered in all of this kind of stuff and we've got I mean the onslaught is in every single area with,   the migrant thing,   the violence that's come with that, the indifference   of the government,   the hideous   useless wretched buildings that they're putting up, the hideous useless wretched people that are employed in positions of power providing a hideous wretched service that nobody wants,   interfering with everybody's life.  

Well, we've we I had a guest on a few weeks ago, Hannah Badder. We were talking about flags.   That was the sort of simple side of the of the conversation, but the more,   detailed side was and I think we touched upon this in a previous show as well, Thomas. We were just talking about law. You were talking about German law and whether Germany actually exists and this is something that,   certainly, Hannah's looking at. We the conversation over here really is,   or one of the conversations, a key one, is to do with the law that we are compelled   to   be under the jurisdiction   of.  

And when it's looked at, we don't like it, basically.   It's not for our benefit. It's for the benefit of the lawmakers and the law controllers in simple terms.   And so the the the thought here is,   that we have to get back to the law of the land, which is to do with the traditions of English common law and of Magna Carta and those things. Do you have anything sort of similar   over there? A kind of, I don't know, back to the land, back to the laws of the land type movement in Germany or in Central Europe   that you're aware of? Is there anything like that going on?  



[01:02:42] Unknown:

We have the original constitution in Germany of the year   1871.   Right. When I remember it right, this was the last   fully   legalized constitution in Germany.   Astonishingly,   the same here as in The United States and, I guess, also in in some other European countries.   So this was all this was where the mess, in all the countries began.   In The United States,   they   they raised up a company,   and in in Germany, they had,   they had the beginning of   of some some   law systems which were not based   on   on on a real legal state.   So   this is all the the legal   for their existence.  



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Right.   I just wondered if there was something similar. We think I feel, you know, we've got this tradition over here, for want of a better word. There's a history of,   the English being kind of,   sort of   dynamically involved with the law is a funny thing because,   you know, when you go to school and stuff, it's the most it's literally the most boring topic ever. No one wants to talk about it. You can't talk about it anyway because they don't teach it to you. Of course, as the years go by, you realize that you should have been taught this   and it should have been explained to you exactly what it was and your condition in relation to the state and all these other words that we use all the time. But in simple terms, you know, we have a we have a service company over here called the government   that's crap.  

They've always been crap. They've never been good.   They run a big sort of distraction scam called voting every four or five years.   Everybody thinks, well, if we vote the right people in, it's going to improve.   They've thought that for my entire lifetime that I've witnessed personally and from reading the history books, this seems to be the case going back hundreds of years   and it never ever works.   It never ever it doesn't produce much. There have been intermittent periods of history where people have come along   and, of course,   although it is not   actually, it is it's not got the resistance it used to have. Although, it's not a popular idea to suggest it.  

That doesn't mean to say it's it's not true. It is true in my view that obviously your nation enjoyed something closer to that than any of us have done even though it ended in a disaster during the nineteen thirties.   Maybe I've got that wrong because I'm speaking at it from a distance and I can only learn it through the books and the history books that I've read. But certainly that runs that runs counter to the established training that we get over here about how we're supposed to think about that. And we've mentioned it here, not only mister Hitler but also mister Gaddafi and others. Whenever they have put the interests of the people first,   historically, it seems to end unfortunately   in a great disaster for the nation that does that.  

You know? Well, it just does, doesn't it?   I mean, I can't think of any current example. Yeah.  

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When you take a look at the German example,   of course, yes, there are many things, many details where you   could confess that that Hitler has done some something very good for the German people. But, of course, there's all the rest where the the,   at least, his government around him or perhaps also himself   has done some some very dramatically   bad things for the German people. And and when you take a look at his origins,   you might be aware of of some several books,   several of these 100 thousands about him,   telling that,   he was   an an illegal son of of the the,   one of the of Rothschild's   offsprings in Vienna.  

Yeah. From where his family got some some monthly payments,   to to cover all the costs.   So  

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you you never know think about that. Do you think that that's likely to be true? I'm interested to know. I don't think it's true, by the way. For I've got my reason. Neither do I. Neither do I. I don't think it's true. Do you know why I think I'll tell you why I don't think it's true, Thomas. Because,   and it's not just that case. I think what occurs   is you get   established history. Everybody knows it. Then some researcher goes off and discovers something else which runs counter to that. And to certain ears and hearts and minds, like mine for example, and many people here,   you go, that's got the smell of truth about it far more than what the guff I was given at school.  

In other words, we're getting to hear the account from the other side.   Then there comes the next phase when that idea starts to take root. I think that there's then like other organizations   paid for   to run counter   narratives.   And one of the things in history,   if you view it from these   counter counter narratives as it were that comes out, this is my take on it, is you'll find that we as a people have never done anything.   Nothing at all. Every everything's been rigged all the time   and there's always some new story coming out to invalidate some some new thing. And you end up in sort of like some permanent   tunneling   expedition to try to get to the base of it when in fact, I suspect   you hit the bulk of the truth   when you were first introduced to the alternative narrative and you suddenly see and it makes so much more sense. This is not to sort of I don't assign right or wrong to any sides in this stuff   but I just can't trust the establishment history that was poured into my head. It's not possible anymore for me to do that. Not that I was that interested in it when I was young.  

So I mean with specific reference to that, I don't go along with that for all sorts of reasons. I just think it but it's very convenient that it exists as a story   for certain people. Yeah. Well,  

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when when you start reading some books and you read more and more books, you you   certainly   end up in a point where you can trust nobody.   And, when you take a look at this special certain detail about Hitler,   that that may be true and that may be not true. It it may be not true because of what you were just telling, but that may be true because it it includes the usual suspects.   Mhmm. And when we take get the look, when we take a look at the younger history and and the actual political landscape, what we are looking at, we see that   most of the politicians, if not all of the politicians, come into place because of their network,   not because of their competence. Yes. And because of the network and bloodline   and and their families, and and so   that   that kind of fits into this picture and the story about Vienna and Rothschild and Hitler's background,   but maybe true, maybe not true. I don't know. I don't trust either side,   but I I have to take into account that it may be possible and and that fits somehow   into the the usual   pattern we we see in history.  

But is it important?   No.   Not not really. Because   we have the results,   of office politics,   we have the results of of history,   of the official history and the inofficial history,   and,   we have to deal with it.  

[01:10:04] Unknown:

You do. You do. I mean, I I think it is important. Maybe not because of the content of it, but because of understanding the principle behind it. So what you were saying I agree. It it is about networking.   And it is about actors being placed before the crowd.   And it is about the crowd,   you know, going along with whatever they've been indoctrinated into because,   and it's very difficult.   It is difficult. I'm not saying it's easy.   Of course, you put yourself out of kilter with the rest of your tribe for a while   when you're going around saying, I don't I don't think so. I don't believe my own leaders. I don't think my leaders are trustworthy.  

The thing is   that there is so much corroborating   other evidence that people have tunneled out. This then, of course, is dismissed. Oh, no. That's all made up. Everything that that creates   a fuller picture,   is generally sort of later on. Once they've realized that this fuller picture has emerged   in a small but growing group, they then go all out to sort of whack that too. I mean,   since you were on last time,   I think it was since you were on last time. I don't know. I mentioned. I headed up to London at the back end of last year, September,   and met with David Irving. Now, had we talked about this? I don't know if we had. No.  

Ah, so it is that long ago. It is. Well, I went to see he's still alive. He's not in a good way. Very tall gentleman.   Really tall.   Six foot three or something. Really big guy.   And,   I went up to see him and to just thank him and,   Adam, his   grandson, who's in charge of the publishing side of of all his work,   said to me, he said, oh, you can have some books if you like.   So I,   I got a copy of Hitler's War because and I still haven't read that one. I'm sort of saving that for   several rainy days,   apart from which if you immerse yourself in this sort of stuff week after week after week,   it's,   I don't know. It's a bit like sort   of drinking neat vodka all the time. You need to soft you need to loosen up a bit because it's quite intense. But one of the books I picked up is the book on Goebbels.  

And I'm assume I mean, I'm assuming it's in German because he's proficient in German.   And you might not be familiar with it. It's an astonishing book. It's one of the most riveting things I've ever read.   He's not a good man. You probably knew that already.   He's not a good man. But some of the situations that they're in and the revealing   of   the relationships between the people that were making doing the decision making is   it's revelatory if you've not, you know, for anybody that's coming from normal history to read this stuff, it's amazing. And I don't know if you're aware of this. The the reason why he was able to put this together   is that he discovered Goebbels diaries on microfilm   or micro photographic plates   that were held in Moscow.  

And he could read them   because Goebbels kept his notes in a kind of variant shorthand   and there were 70,000   pages of diaries   which he read.   And it's it   it produces the most amazing book   because it's as if you're sat with him from about 1928   through to the end in 1945.   It's quite amazing. I mean, at times, he's horrible. He's really very unpleasant man,   but he's also quite brilliant.   And I wanted to read it to see what he did in terms of actually   dealing with the propaganda that they needed to deal with at that particular time. Now you could say that our situation is different. It is in many ways.   The sorts of that we're not the same sort of people that existed seventy, eighty, ninety years ago. We're not for all sorts of reasons. We've you could say we've been softened up. Maybe that's not such a bad thing where you could say we're even a more peaceable people, but maybe that's a worrying thing because we are a bit of a soft touch over here for things and people are finding it difficult   to re engage. I just wondered whether you are familiar with that book.  

Probably not, I suppose. No. But I just wondered. No. No.   I need to get you a copy in German. I think you'll find it I found it mind blowing. It's a big, but I did. It's it's absolutely amazing. An amazing book.   Particularly things like,   the discord in between the,   the the the the top level staff there.   They're   all, it's not this unified group at all. There's a lot of internecine   warfare   that's taking place between them. And,   astonishing, actually. Particularly the bombing, you know, when the bomb goes off under the table and all that kind of stuff,   how it even happened.  

It's   it's a it's a remarkable read. It's better than any film I've seen about it.   And, it's I I put it down as a must read for anybody that needs to know a bit more about that history. It's it's not only,   reveals all the things that are rarely ever addressed, but it also gives you a sort of   a real life view of the   colossal amount of work that we're doing. Just to let you know as well, we played that song earlier, didn't we, about mister Churchill?   And,   the one of the sort of running themes within the book is,   is mister Goebbels competition with Churchill to see who could be the best propagandist.  

He's fully aware of this, and some of his notes are quite witty about this. He even grudgingly acknowledges that Churchill's done a good one at certain times when he pulls certain wool over certain people's eyes and all this kind of stuff. So it's it's quite fascinating about how how on an intellectual level they were dealing with one another and the sorts of communications that they were making at the time.   So I'm I'm just recommending it to you.   Not that you've probably got too much. It's a bit of a biggie. I've forgotten now. It's about it's it's worth it. I really I think I recommended it a few months ago when I was at when I actually read it and I'm recommending it again really. Even though this show is not necessarily about that, but it is come it's useful.   The other you could say the   another thing that's that's really bearing full fruit I mean, I saw I don't know if you anybody here saw this. There was a video clip the other day of some American guy   verbally really haranguing the US government,   in all the right ways, I would suggest. And you could translate those to any,   Western nation and, say them about those governments too. But his t shirt was gray because on it, it just said Churchill was a big shit.  

And,   yes, I agree with that. Do you see that? Do you see the t shirt? I thought, I saw it. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, Churchill was a shit.   And this is really getting across. There was also that interview that, Tucker Carlson did with that historian a few months ago.   Did you see or hear or aware of that, Thomas? Did you see that   that interview?   I saw I I saw several interviews, but I don't know if I saw that one with Tucker Carlson. Alright. Okay. I mean, he got hammered for it, this this guy. Everyone said, he's not a historian at all. Well, everybody's a historian. You start reading history books, you're a historian. You might not be a deeply read one, but you're on your way.   They're a very snotty, you know. Oh, well, you know, he didn't go to universe. I saw these criticisms of him. It's a fantastic interview.  

He's talking about,   more of the underlying reasons for the conflict, which I would suggest is still the same underlying reasons that are manifesting itself in the conflict that we're enduring now.   You know, my take really is that the government is waging our government is waging war   on my people. They just happen to be mine. I don't know if you view it over there in Germany in the same way. Do you think your government's waging war on German people?  

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I I see it the same way. But but it's not only on on our selves, but it's also waging war on on all of us.   The UK government is waging war on all of Europe, and the the German government is waging war on all of Europe, not only on the German people.   They are they are trying to to heat the situation up in in   Ukraine, trying their best to deliver   more missiles, more long range missiles.   The UK does it, talks about it and does it.   British soldiers are in the field. German soldiers are in the field. French soldiers are in the field. And even if we do not talk about that,   it is a fact. German soldiers have died on on-site.  

British officers and soldiers have died on-site.   French, etcetera,   all all of them.   And,   we are de facto   in a hot war there on-site, but but nobody talks about it.  

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No. What is the price? Some senior  

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ranks have we captured three of them, weren't they? Apparently,  

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a couple of people. More more of them. More of them. Yes. Much more. But it's you see, it's overlooked  

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that   Churchill, during World War two, going back to World War two,   was generally hated.   Absolutely   hated. And I know for a fact that in cinemas   in Glasgow, and it's, well, basically in Scotland,   whenever they showed you a newsreel Churchill, people started booing   because I hated him so much.   He was not liked. And it's only the hype that's what hyped him up. And and I I also know for a fact that when he went to the East End and said we can take it, he was pelted with eggs, and women came out with rolling pins and chased him away.   And from there thereafter,   most of the scenes of him walking around, bombed out buildings   was, set places away from the East End. He couldn't walk into the East End Of London. They he was really detested there. So   that is a different sort of,   on these if you read the history books they'll say oh Churchill the official ones I mean Churchill was loved by the people he wasn't he was detested   my parents detested   him that's one it were that's my 10p worth  

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yeah   That's ace. I I  

[01:20:08] Unknown:

Yeah. Sorry, Eric. Well, I was I was gonna say, sorry. I don't I don't mean to jump, but I was gonna say, Thomas, I guess they don't teach modern history in German schools, do they? Do they do they teach much about it when you was at school about modern history?  

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What do you call modern history? Times like like Third Reich, etcetera?  

[01:20:25] Unknown:

Yes. Yes. Do they do they do they say much about it? They  

[01:20:30] Unknown:

well,   this situation has two sides. They teach a lot of this time, and they talk a lot about this time. But what they talk about and teach about this time is nonsense.   No. They they of of course,  

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just take you I'm shocked. Way.  

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Of   of course, the the pupils there in in in in the school have to learn about the the cruelties   and the cruel crimes of of the German Third Reich government and and the people here in in concentration camps, etcetera.   And and they have to remember all the numbers and and the the cities and and,   where it took place and that that Germany started the war World War one and Germany started the World War two and and all what what they learn about it is the official history,   and this is the history of of the so called winners of of the the the World War one and two. And and we we all know meanwhile that it's historically be seen nonsense.   We we see   similar situation right now.  

Right now, I think,   when when you take some   parallels   to to to history, we see that Russia   has taken   this the the position of of   German,   the Deutsche strike. At those days, the Russians didn't want the war. The Germans didn't want the war. The Russians started to in invade some other country to to protect their own people. The Germans invaded some other country to protect their own people, and there   there are there are lots of similarities   there,   when when you when you look at it.   Yeah.   And what's   well, what the situation in the school is that that,   since   1945,   we are in Germany   under a constant   professional, very professional reeducation of all of the   people. And   the teachers who teach now at school have all undergone the same reeducation   and and also their teachers already have undergone this reeducation. So   we have gone through several generations of reeducated   anti German   teaching generations   and teachers' generations.  

And so so the outcome is very clear. There's   not nothing much left from from,   the official   realistic   historical picture   of Europe, of Germany,   and and and   about German tradition, for example. Yeah.  

[01:23:08] Unknown:

Do do you know who is was responsible for that reeducation,   what they call the denazification   of Germany?   Do you I because,  

[01:23:16] Unknown:

The denazification   is not the same as the reeducation.   I have in my in my first book, I I think that there's a picture of of the official order, the military order of the German reeducation.   It's about one one US letter format page where where it is written, all teachers, all pupils have to be in in the way of blah blah blah blah. It's a very long military order,   and,   the denazification   is is something,   apart   from that.  

[01:23:49] Unknown:

That's interesting because, I mean, I, discovered that it was the Frankfurt   School who relocated,   to America. They were welcomed with open arms to America.   That the American government actually,   asked for their advice and used them for their their advice   on,   you know,   and their their advice   was to,   spread mass guilt   throughout Germany.   That's exactly  

[01:24:18] Unknown:

what they're saying. Yes. The the the so called mass mass guilt   complex   was also invented and invented much earlier,   because of of the the British bombings of Dresden,   because the Germans, of of course, were shocked about this bombing, and and the British government and and especially   the Tavistock Institute,   they,   worked on on an efficient strategy   to somehow get out of this mess.   And their strategy was to to spread mass guilt complex among the German people. They invented some horror stories about what the Germans did,   to to just cover up their cruel crimes against the Germans.  



[01:24:59] Unknown:

Yep.   Well, it's like our our jolly old was it our jolly friend Sefton Delmer,   the, propaganda man Yes.   Who who said, I can't repeat it verbatim. You might be better at this,   Paul than I am. What he said about,   propaganda being like a a neatly kept   British   lawn, and you must stop the weeds of truth coming through. That's right.  

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You must stop the weeds of truth. That's what we are, everybody. You're the weeds of truth.   It's nice. I like being with the weeds of truth.  

[01:25:37] Unknown:

But yeah. Apropos weed.  

[01:25:40] Unknown:

Yeah   when I was a child I used to watch these   flickering black and white propaganda films which they still put on the television now I won't be on a television   I no longer have a television I hasten to add but   now when I was a kid, they used to always have these, propaganda films on, you know, sort of what was it now?   The Great Escape and all that old crap. And as I say, even though I don't have a television, I know for sure they're still putting them on. And I used to think as as when I was a very young child,   if if if mister Hitler was so bad,   why aren't the German army surrendering   absolutely,   you know, why they carry funny on? Why aren't they surrendering to my jolly nice,   allies?  

You know, why they keep fighting?   Now I thought that from a child's mind.   Surely, they'll be will be,   surrendering on mass, but they didn't.   So,   you know, when you look at it from a child's point of view as I as I I was, that that   it it doesn't make sense because if things were as bad as what they said, you know, people wouldn't have the will to fight   on. How what's your view, Thomas?  

[01:26:55] Unknown:

I I have a family   remembering,   regarding this special detail.   One member of my family who was they were all soldiers, of course. But but one of these soldiers,   had the situation one time in in Berlin   and and,   had the   chance to to to shake hands with Hitler.   And he wasn't a great fan of Hitler before, and he wasn't a great fan of Hitler afterwards. But   after shaking his hands and after meeting him in person,   he was somehow fascinated   of him,   because   he was   well,   I didn't meet him, so so I can only guess.   I guess he was so charismatic,   and his   his appearance   and his, maybe, his eyes,   were were so intriguing that that,   he he got everybody on his side.  



[01:27:53] Unknown:

Alright. Can we bottle that?   Do, do we need any of that? Do we need some of that back?   It's,   it's almost impossible to think   certainly over here of having anybody charismatic come to the fore.  

[01:28:07] Unknown:

It's interesting that they're not taking that route. Oh, hang hang on. Hang on. Paul, we've got Keir Star. I mean, he's about   charismatic charismatic   as a flat as a fault isn't he really I'd say well that's an insult to a fault isn't it really sorry are they especially slated for their complete absence  

[01:28:25] Unknown:

of personal magnetism and and charisma. Yes.   No. I'm serious. I mean, it's it's like it's a design   tool   that they must be the most mediocre dullards   and   because they've been selected. It's obviously that they're compliant with an ideology whether they know it or not, which makes them putty in the hands of the people behind the curtain. I mean, it's just   these are ridiculous   people.   They're ridiculous. And, of course, the really terrifying thing is you you talk to other people and they get used to it. They think, oh, they're quite good   because they got nothing to compare it to.  



[01:28:59] Unknown:

He makes John Major look interesting, doesn't he?   He does. I thought John Major was John Major was dull enough, but I mean   Yeah. Bloke. I mean, I mean,   I I actually do think he's had some treatment done on him mentally.  

[01:29:15] Unknown:

Seriously. I really do. Yeah. Some, those Who's in Thomas, who's in charge of your neck of the woods right now? Who who's in charge of Germany right now? Who's the boss?   I don't even  

[01:29:28] Unknown:

know. I don't know who really is the boss, but I don't know. You live there. Who calls Who you're near?   Nobody knows. I I know   I know who who calls himself chancellor. It's it's Merz. But,   well, at the moment, we we we see in in Europe,   a situation where all of the,   so called professionals and politics and and and political science and universities that they they are talking about,   democracy   is the best thing we can have, and democracy   lives from,   the situation that you have many parties,   perhaps not too many because this makes a kind of a mess.   Perhaps two or three,   perhaps   four or five, but but not more, three.  

And, in in The United States, we have two parties generally.   So right or left or or republic   republic no. No. How do you call them? Democrats and  

[01:30:29] Unknown:

what is the Republicrats and Republic. And and democritants   or whatever they're called. Yeah.  

[01:30:35] Unknown:

Yeah. Republic.   And   Hello. By Germany, we  

[01:30:40] Unknown:

Sorry sorry sorry to interrupt the show. This is Patrick just checking in. Hi, Patrick. Hi, Patrick. Hi, Thomas. Hi. Hi, Patrick.  

[01:30:48] Unknown:

Yeah. Well, in in Germany, we have the the SPD, the sort of the left, and and we have the far left, the linker.   We the former,   PDS, the the the former German Democratic Republic States party. This is the the today called linker.   So,   we we have on the on the middle side, the the FTP, which is close to zero points at the moment,   and we have the CDUCSU,   which   who call themselves   Christ Democrats.   Yeah. And and on the on the on the right side, we have the AfD.   The AfD has ketchup   really good, and and they are, at the moment, on the same level as the CDU and and perhaps even more.   And when we take a look at the situation at the moment, of course, we we can't we we could say that that the AfD   could be a very good alternative for Germany because   at least they they seem to   talk   and and say what might be useful and right for Germany. They they talk about remigration,   they talk about, less taxes, etcetera.  

When we take a look at the history of the AfD, we we we can find that the AfD AfD was founded by a general   who was close to the   CIA and and and general Petraeus. And   so it the AfD is is an invention, innovation of of the   the American side.   And  

[01:32:22] Unknown:

No doubt run by a lesbian, I've heard. Yeah. Which morally is is,  

[01:32:28] Unknown:

makes sense. Yes.   That that that that comes on top. You you you never get all the good things on one side. You have to have at least one point where you have to to struggle with.   She lives with her her wife in in Switzerland, by the way.   Right.   Well,   so at at the moment, the AFD seems to be a good alternative, but but when you take a look at the history, you might doubt   that in the long run,   they are really a good thing. Mhmm. For the moment, I would say,   we should work   on the very basics for Germany.   And from my point of view, that would be we need in a constitution   because we don't have one. And and for all those listeners who might think, well, you do. Of course, you have a constitution.  

Gazettes, but the gold gazettes, when you take a look at the last paragraph   in an article, it's clearly   written there. It's not a constitution. It's a gold gazette.   And the basic law is only for occupied countries. And so   next to all this, okay, Germany is still occupied.   So perhaps we could work on the very basics, give Germany   or the Deutsches Reich, because Germany is not a German word. Germany   calls it itself in German, Deutsch Deutschland or or Deutsches Reich or,   for example, Federal Republic Of Germany. But   but, officially,   German politicians,   in this case, it was Wolfgang Friedrich,   registered   the German   country, the German government   under the name of Germany, not Federal Republic Of Germany or not Georgeland, but Germany. So in an English word,   in in into the international   listings at the United Nations, for example. So everything   was   was away from from the good old German   words and and   the German state.  



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Become anglicized.  

[01:34:30] Unknown:

Yes. Which,  

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makes sense because in the United Nations, it's really you're talking about Manhattan and New York City,   which is quite a ways away from Europe or any of these other places. The same with NATO,   which was its charter was based on the United Nations charter.  

[01:34:49] Unknown:

So they're a function of the United Nations, essentially. And that's I just I just talked to a to a friend of mine about NATO and and the   the the, its origin.   For us, NATO   is like the western military   organization.   When you take a look at at the history of NATO,   you get a completely different picture.   I don't know if if you are aware of that. We we talked about this in in an earlier show, I guess. Perhaps, Paul, you remember   Mhmm. Admiral Bill,   going to Antarctica,   coming back and   and and telling about,   him facing a military power that was so powerful, much more powerful than than his weapons weaponry was,   that they had   machines that that could fly from pole to pole within thirty minutes. It's a and he came back after three weeks or six weeks. I don't perhaps it was three weeks.  

It was planned for for going down there for for for six months, and he came back after some weeks,   having lost   a great part of his 4,000   men Yeah. And and and ships and and and airplanes, etcetera.   And   after that incident, after that so called military expedition to Antarctica,   all the western governments   started to,   make some treaties amongst them. So so   Great Britain with France, France with Great Britain, France with Belgium, Belgium with France,   Spain with Italy, Italy   all of them.   And and   out of these   bilateral   contracts,   in between nearly all Western governments,   they then made the so called NATO, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization,   because they wanted to have more structure in it and and not so many different contracts, but only one. It was it was simply to make it simple.  

And and all of these bilateral   contracts were,   contracts to, you help me when this military power from Adarctica attacks me. Yeah? We you will? Okay. Thank you. I will I will help you too.   So they they feared   this military power from Antarctica,   and we we all know of whom they were talking. Yes. And, so this is the origin of NATO,   and and it didn't change.   NATO is a it is an anti   anti German   organization,   and and the the Federal Republic Of Germany even is member of the NATO. So so a German   country is member of an anti German   country, treaty organization.  



[01:37:32] Unknown:

And that's because the United Nations itself, if you go back to the I I listen to a lot of the old   World War Two era radio broadcasts   of Churchill talking about the United Nations as an effort of the Allies   during the war.   And as a consequence,   since they,   you know, were the victors, or the perceived victors,   they just determined what would be the new world order   after after the math, you know, after World War II was said and done.   So that makes perfect sense. And by the way, I'm I'm a historian   on the Paul English Live   pod   home. Apparently, the last time,   mister Anderson was on was with Monica Schafer and Dennis Wise for the eightieth anniversary of the bombing of Dresden on February 13 this year.  



[01:38:23] Unknown:

Wow. Just as a reminder. Okay. I remember the show. Thank you very much, Patrick. That's good for us forgetful types. Thanks.  

[01:38:30] Unknown:

Yes. Would,   would you think, Thomas, that the World War two is really about usury? Because that's my view. It is really boiled down to usury,   because Germany was not allowed to get away with abolishing usury in 1933.   What's your feel what's your view on that, sir Thomas?  

[01:38:51] Unknown:

I think,   when we take a look at,   what was his name?   That this, a Freemason   who did all these plans for the three World Wars  

[01:39:04] Unknown:

Mazin? Oh, no. No. One in 1860,   wasn't it? It was So it was it was the Albert Pike with Mazini. Albert Pike. That's the one. Albert Pike. Exactly. Thanks, mate. Yes. Thanks, Patrick. You always come up with the goods. Thanks. Yeah. Sorry.  

[01:39:18] Unknown:

Albert Pike. Yeah. So when when he,   invented these plans,   they also invented all the very complex situations   behind it, and and and Germany, unfortunately,   was in in their way because of many reasons, and and therefore, they used   Germany. It was   mainly for the reason that they they were very good tools.   They were very good in what they were doing. And,   the second reason was because Germany was on their menu, or the Germans was on their menu, were on their menu.   We we talked about this one already,   some some several shows ago,   why   history is always about Germans and Jews.  

And the old fight between   the the Germans and the Jews,   has some some origins far, far, way back in the past. And but but they are still an actual conflict   and and with which have to which has to be somehow   solved   somewhere in the future   at some point   of time.   So when these plans were invented,   the the plans are are still on their in their realization now. We are living in the in the middle of of having these plans realized.   There are many,   sub plans. For example, the Morgenthau plan, the Kaufmann plan, the Hooten plan, they are out   ruining Germany,   making   the hold of   migration, the German people disappear   because of dissolving and and and mixing them with with,   every other type of of of humans on this planet   and,   ruining   the the the Mooangtau plan, the the,   mixing them with with marriages,   having migrations in in the millions,   giving all the money away out of Germany. One the the Joschka Fischer,   he was once foreign minister. He he once said,   no matter what the German government spends the money for, it doesn't matter. Just give it away for some stupid reasons,   no matter to which country. Just give it away, and and as long as the Germans don't have the money, the world will be saved.  

So so this is the kind of government we had and have in Germany. He was being sarcastic when he said that, was he?   No.   No. He was very truthful.   Yes. At at the moment, for example, there there is a very popular example for for   wasting German tax money.   Germany paid   €260,000,000   to the country of Peru   for bicycle   pathways.   They they built some Excellent. Bicycle   Yeah. Ways   yeah.   It's it's in Peru. Yeah. And and they they spent money for for the   for the better living of of some trans people in Uganda,   for some,   pro trans people and catch   fights in in Africa.  



[01:42:37] Unknown:

Money well spent.  

[01:42:39] Unknown:

Yeah. Money well spent. So no matter  

[01:42:44] Unknown:

No metro is ridiculous  

[01:42:46] Unknown:

projects the money is spent for. The money from Germany is spent for every  

[01:42:54] Unknown:

stupid thing you can think of. Yeah. Any goofy idea. The the the money's there.  

[01:43:02] Unknown:

But I think I mean, they do it over here, but in a slightly different way. Or maybe they're doing it the same way everywhere. I mean, we've got   of everywhere you look, is it meant to be like it's obviously meant to be like this. I mean it's meant it's by design.   I think we've got so much capacity to produce wealth.   We produce so much of it that they've got to make sure it's squandered so that we can't get strong. That's one way of phrasing it. But there's all these different aspects. Every   I mean, I've mentioned it before but, you know, you repeat these things. There's a 1,400,000,000   pound wind park out in the ocean here. Well, the sea. Right? It's not the ocean. It's not far away. It's off the coast. You can On a clear day, unfortunately, you can see this completely pathetic piece of engineering   and that's £1,400,000,000.  

It produces enough electricity to recharge an electric moped, I think, once a week or something. It's a joke. When it is. It's it's a literal joke and it's meant to be a joke. Surely, it's meant to be a joke.   It's the it's the conversations about realism that don't exist.   Everybody talk   they're always talking about this mythical thing called progress.   Something that we've actually had far too much of.   I just I'm sick of progress. It's tedious. It doesn't deliver anything.   I I wanted to ask you, is Ursula von der Leyen one of yours,   Thomas? What nationality is she? I don't know where she comes from. Is she German or Dutch? I'm a bit pathetic with this. No. No. Unfortunately, see, she's German.  

Oh, right. Okay. Well, never mind. That's good. It's nice to know that you've got I'm sorry. You've got credit. She's almost equivalent to Keir Starmer. She's unbelievable. She's absolutely hilariously stupid.   And,  

[01:44:42] Unknown:

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Sorry. You cannot compare these   two. Keir Starmer is a very poor guy from Britain.   Ursula von der Leyen has managed to get some personal as as far as I was informed, I must convert I must say this. As far as I was informed, Ursula von der Leyen managed to get some personal kickback on on the COVID nineteen,   vaccinations, and I guess it was some billions for her personally. Oh, nice. This is what I heard. Yeah.  

[01:45:12] Unknown:

Yeah. Isn't it So so to his neck here or something? He's all wrapped up in the whole thing, isn't he, or something?  

[01:45:20] Unknown:

You should not compare amateurs with professionals.  

[01:45:23] Unknown:

No. You're right. Yeah. You win.   Yeah. She's definitely much more wealthy   than Keir Starmer,   who who is not only fiscally poor, but spiritually and intellectually bereft of anything. He's just a remarkable   sort of shell of a human being. He he literally is.  

[01:45:42] Unknown:

But he he but he's one of the boys. He's not gay, but his boyfriend is. So, that's how I actually but he's not gay. He's all. It's just his boy. He's one of the lads. He's one of the lads. You know, the boyfriend that he sleeps with each night,   mate, he's gay, but he isn't. So he so there we go. Yeah. So I hope that's trans things up.  

[01:46:03] Unknown:

Yeah. He's a trans queer lesbian or something.  

[01:46:10] Unknown:

No.  

[01:46:14] Unknown:

I mean, I've I the this whole thing is so bizarre. It's difficult enough dealing really with the English insanity without even taking on board what's happening in Europe.   This, I I I'm assume obviously, you your country must be a member of the European Court on Human Rights,   which this country needs to get out of as fast as possible. This is part of the problem. And they use all these sort of administrative   excuses for not being able to get anything done. Apparently, it's impossible   to stop migrants coming here.   It's impossible. It just can't be done, apparently.  

There's nothing that we can do.   So that's that.  

[01:46:53] Unknown:

No one can actually take proper action to correct the situation. Can't do it? Won't be allowed. There are there are countries who are very good in rocket science and who who stop migration. There's Poland. There's,   Hungary.   And and and, fortunately, and and luckily, they have found the solution. We should look at those countries and and do what they do.  

[01:47:13] Unknown:

Yeah. Don't they put up a big fence? Isn't that what they did?  

[01:47:18] Unknown:

A fence. Yes.   This is this was the innovation, I guess. Yeah. A fence? Maybe. Yeah but we got natural one it's called the English Channel  

[01:47:27] Unknown:

but you know what they're probably trying to erect a fence in the middle of the channel   that's a government idea yes there any trouble is it's it's at the bottom of the ocean so it's not stopping the dinghies but it's it's a bloody good fence I can tell you that   even though you can't see it   but   can you imagine though Thomas if it be possible for us to get into a time machine   and go back in   time, say the first or second World War, and show everyone   how their respective countries are gonna turn out   in, you know, eighty years' time or a hundred years' time. I wonder what their reactions would have been.  

[01:48:10] Unknown:

Well, if we could reach   really all of them,   let let's think about theoretically.   If we could reach all of Yeah. Those soldiers,   giving them a one or two hour lesson in in the local cinemas, showing them what the world would look like today.   I guess it would take another three or four hours, then we would have a worldwide revolution.  

[01:48:34] Unknown:

Yes.   I agree with you. My father said my father was in the full six years of World War two.   And before he died, he said, if only we had known how this country is going to turn out, we'd have thrown down our rifles and given up.   And he said that whilst being means tested.  

[01:48:55] Unknown:

Well, part of the problem though is, like,   in you in Ukraine, you have a war going on and those borderline countries like Poland and Hungary,   there's press ganging going on, and it doesn't get any sort of coverage from the media Really? Mobilization.   Really?   Yeah. They'll kidnap people and bring them to the front lines just like they do in mainland you know, in the   over the border in Ukraine.   I didn't know that. What in Poland, they're doing it? Well, people from yep. Well, from Hungary, I know at least.   I've heard reports of that happening   where they'll get dragged over   and brought to the front line.  



[01:49:36] Unknown:

So, again, let let me,   ask you again. They they are going to Poland? They they catch Polish people and get them to the front end of Ukraine?  

[01:49:44] Unknown:

I'm I'm not quite sure. I haven't heard any reports about Poland so much. But mostly   what I've heard is from Hungary.   Usually young men.  

[01:49:55] Unknown:

They they catch Hungarian people in Hungary and bring them to Ukraine to the front?  

[01:50:01] Unknown:

Yes.  

[01:50:03] Unknown:

Oh, okay. Didn't know that. Didn't hear about that. I I saw I saw many videos about the Ukrainian   military,   catching the the Ukrainians,   in the city from from where they came from buying some bread in in the morning or or going around with their dog and and then being caught and and and directly brought to the front line, not coming back, of course. And and yesterday, I read the number that they meanwhile, they lost 1,700,000   people.  

[01:50:33] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[01:50:36] Unknown:

Yeah. It's it's terrible. They don't they don't give it any press, though, because the the   at least over here,   everybody's all, you know, pro Ukraine. Let's go. You know? That that was a big thing after COVID stopped. Then it was all Ukraine this and Ukraine that, and it still is for for the most part. It doesn't get any coverage, though.   That type of press gang mobilization,  

[01:51:00] Unknown:

as they call it. Well, the British did that in the   eighteenth century.   They would have the, to get people onto ships because Britain had a huge navy and a small army.   And,   they were the they used to have press gangs going around   the the pubs and that waiting till people got drunk   and   next moment next morning they'd wake up on board a ship and that would be it they'd be in the they'd be in the navy   And that was very famous in this country so it's it's not new, you know. Just sort of put my 5p   5p was in there.  

[01:51:37] Unknown:

So do you think, there's a theme here which is that the real enemy of all people   is their own government,   he said, stating the bleeding obvious for the five millionth time. Yes. Don't you think is it not self evident to the Yes. But it obviously isn't to a huge number of people, is it?  

[01:51:56] Unknown:

Well more people have been killed by their own government than all the wars put together.  

[01:52:01] Unknown:

You know, I I talked about a guy here. We're coming towards the end of our stint on on, WBN   in about five or six minutes. We're going to carry on for an hour after that. So if you want to carry on tuning in, head on over to paulenglishlive.com   and you can pick up the YouTube and the Rumble and the Radio Soapbox links. We we run on till 11:00   here in The UK,   whatever that is in US eastern time, 6PM US eastern. But I've mentioned here a few times, I'm gonna mention another one, another post here,   from legal man.   And I need to send you the link to his film actually, Thomas, called Barnum World.  

I've been talking about it for the past few days. I started watching it for the second time. It's absolutely wonderful. It's an hour and thirty six minutes. It's very funny.   But this is a post he's just put up about six or seven hours ago. They're all of a similar theme but they're worth saying. I want to say this one. He says because they're brief and you can read them out. Imagine having had the internet for twenty five years   and still believing that The US is the good guy in the world,   or the official September 11 story,   or the October 7 narrative about hang glider attacks,   or that COVID was a worldwide pandemic that threatened us all,   or that the COVID jab saved lives,   or that your vote matters,   or that the constitution   protects your rights, or any of the other ridiculous official narratives running around out there. But people do.  

Hundreds of millions of them do believe them. So much so that if you try and open their eyes, they attack you. Lol.   So with a population still this brainwashed after twenty five years of access to information,   what makes people continue to think that we can somehow turn things around? Now, of course, it is a bit black pillion, a bit negative,   but I that's why I go and read it. It's just I I go and read this stuff every now and again as a sort of slightly sobering moment to stop me getting carried away with the fact that we can turn things around. Although, I wake up the following morning and think that we can simply because I prefer it as a thought over the more realistic one. But is it the case that I I mean, I do think it's it doesn't matter how much truth you show to people.   For a huge swathe of people, it's never gonna make any difference, is it? Is it? I don't think it would.  



[01:54:19] Unknown:

You mean having  

[01:54:20] Unknown:

oh, go ahead, Thomas. No. No. Go. Go.  

[01:54:23] Unknown:

I   just having a constitution, I don't I don't know if that's gonna   make a difference even in Germany. I know you were mentioning that earlier. It's like, what what will it do?   And   my big thing lately has been looking it back into inheritance with primogeniture   laws that used to exist in Christian countries.   Yeah. That's biblical based, where you inherited   your father's wealth and the firstborn son got a double portion,   and it wasn't all taken by the state   and taxes and all these other   communist type, you know, Karl Marx type,   systems that have been set up to drain the wealth of the nation and the land, take dispossess people.  

So   that that's my 2¢.  

[01:55:12] Unknown:

I agree. I I would I would also agree that that, putting up a constitution would would not be the solution for everything, but but it's more the thought about doing this. So if if more people would be aware of that we do not have a constitution,   they perhaps   might be also to become aware of that we we have some serious problems here. At the at the moment that we talked about this last show,   in the last, show about the the German basic law, if we do not have a valid basic law, all the laws in Germany are not valid anymore because without the basic law, they they miss an area of validation.   So at the moment, we are living in in a in a country without any law.  

If more people would be aware of this, if for example, bad people, they have to try me because they they would say, fuck you. I I don't you you don't have a law to to   to to judge about me. Yeah. And, if if more more good people would be aware of this, perhaps they would think, okay. Now let let's work on the basics. We have to put a legal system on their way on on the way because   we need some some law system around us to to   to take care of of all the daily trouble we we might   get into with with our neighbor, our our our   employee, etcetera.  

And then,   of course, the constitution is not the solution for everything, but but it's more the thought behind it. If if if they would recognize   that there is a problem,   perhaps they would also see the other problems.   And and so so work on them step by step.  

[01:56:46] Unknown:

You actually need a law, don't you? You actually need to get one first. Is that right? Can we have some law, please? Is that what you're saying in Germany? Could we could you possibly see your way to giving us some?  

[01:56:57] Unknown:

Well, we we have we have some law. We have the international law. We have the uniform   commercial code. We have the Canton law of of the Catholic church with which is available everywhere, but but   we have French law. We have British law. We have Russian law. We have everywhere there's a law system,  

[01:57:15] Unknown:

but but not in Germany. So we we should have one too just to have one. It's nice. You should. Yeah. Let let's get the Germans some law. You need to get some lovely law, some good stuff. Anyway, we're we've come to the end of our stint here at WBN. I'm gonna play a couple of songs. You you know Werner Herzog, don't you,   Thomas the German film director?   So I've got a few silly little tracks to play here. The first one is a comical   thirty second clip from Werner Herzog talking about chickens which I quite like And then we have a humorous English song which is gonna take us over the next three and a half minutes or so. So we'll be back after this. If you want to carry on listening, as I said, head on over to paulenglishlive.com.   We'll be back here on w b n three two four same time next week 3PM US eastern,   8PM in The UK. Have a cracking week you UBN,   people and, WBN people and, we'll be, we'll be carrying on after these little tunes. So if you want to come and join us, head on over to Paul English live. Here's Werner Herzog.  

Very quiet Werner Herzog.   Let's start him again.  

[01:58:34] Unknown:

The countryside and you see chicken.   Try to look a chicken in the eye with great intensity   and the intensity   of stupidity that is looking back at you   is just amazing.   By the way, it's very easy to hypnotize a chicken.   They're very prone to hypnosis   and in one or two films I've actually   shown that.  

[01:59:11] Unknown:

In a little town where I belong, there's a most accomplished fellow.   He's the leader of the village choir, and his voice is warm and mellowed.   Treat to hear him say, hey.   Fruits in season, plenty of berries, apples, plums, and the old raspberry.  

[02:00:09] Unknown:

Hey, Taco Falls. Everything is special  

[02:00:19] Unknown:

Every Friday night when work is done, he never wastes a minute.   To the village hall, he hurries around where he sings just like a minute   Get ready and do it now.   It's easy when you know how.   Though it isn't very pretty,   you've got to admit it's cute.  

[02:02:08] Unknown:

And if that's not the sound of England, I don't know what is. So there we go. Welcome back, Thomas. Welcome back everyone to, our final hour.   And, there you go. Werner Herzog, I think, we, I cut a bit of the clip off there, but it's about chickens. I've played it before, thirty seconds. You can find it on YouTube.   It's, it's quite amazing. There's also a wonderful clip where he's talking about suicidal penguins which is definitely worth looking up for those of you that are interested in suicidal penguins.   Werner Herzog is your guy.  

Anyway,   welcome back. What what we we were probably talking about something quite serious then. So that's why I thought a few raspberries wouldn't go amiss,   because   because that's what we do around here at times. That's really what we do, you see.   So,   yeah. Absolutely.   It's a wind of change, isn't there? Let's face it. There is a wind. Yes. Yes. I am eating more fruit   and, it's important.   I do I mean, it's a it's it would be a good song really for any of these political rallies that they have over here. It's actually a bit too good for Keir Starmer. It's actually such a charming song that I don't really want to waste all this really great old material   on these,   these little rank creatures that are running around wrecking everything. But,   still, you know, we we gotta start somewhere, don't we? We do. Absolutely.  



[02:03:29] Unknown:

But so the idea, you know, I mentioned about this,   putting, filling whoopee cushions   with gravy and shoving them on the seats of the House of Commons for a laugh. Could we do that in German,   parliament as well? That'd be a laugh, wouldn't it? It would. What do you think? What do you think, Thomas? Good idea, Ren?  

[02:03:49] Unknown:

Yeah. I think you like it. Yeah. Is there a good Is there a good There's a good German sense of humor in there. We don't we don't buy into all this humorless German nonsense, you know. We're you're probably very vulgar people. This is what we suspect.   We suspect that secretly you're actually not all together at all and there's a lot of fart gags floating around in Germany. This is what we would expect really. Yes. And, so we're planning to laugh our way out of this prison. We're going to be laughing our way to it all,   blowing raspberries and flying flags and just generally being quite English about the whole thing.  

Yeah. Why not? Yeah. Why not? Actually, I caught a film the other day   which was very English and very funny and rather recent. Simon Pegg film called The World's End.   Anybody here familiar with it or seen it?   Heard of it? No? No.   No? You heard of it, Thomas? The World's End? No. No. Well, as an allegory for our, I watched it years ago. It's bloody funny. It's very English. Right? So I don't know whether it'll actually travel very well. But   what it's a it's about a few things and it ends up becoming an allegory really for our for our situation.   Simon Pegg pays this the he wants to get all his mates to go back on a pub crawl.  

Right? So you know what a pub crawl is? Thomas, do you have pub crawls in Germany? You must do. You must have a pub crawl. Right? Do you know what a pub crawl is?   No. Okay. So it's very important that everybody understands exactly the technical specifications of a pub crawl. Basically,   groups of usually men, although there might be a few women as well that start off early in the evening, will meet at a pub, say, at 6PM   with closing time, say, at 11:00, if it's an evening pub crawl. And there'll be a whole series of pubs marked out for you to go and drink a pint in. There'll be quite a few of them.  

[02:05:38] Unknown:

Generally private time here, Paul. What's that? Paul, they have them here where people dress as zombies and they have a zombie pub crawl. Do they?  

[02:05:47] Unknown:

We don't well, we don't need to dress as zombies because after about eight pints of English beer, you actually act like a zombie, really. People will be they'll be staggering alright. So that that's basically what you do. You go to every pub and you drink a pint or you're supposed to because a few lightweights like me would always try and skive off,   drinking one in every single thing. But after about half a dozen pubs, by the time you've got to about 08:30 or 09:00,   you're not fit for anything and people don't really know where they're going. They'll just move to another pub. So the whole of the thing falls apart. It's called a pub crawl and you end up crawling home, generally. This is just the English way or is used to be. Okay?   So what's this film about?  

The World's End is a pub   in this village that they all grew up in and they're now all middle aged. They sort of become accountants and real estate agents and car salesmen, and they've all got settled lives,   apart from one character played by Simon Pegg. I've forgotten his name. Jack, is it or something? Anyway,   and   he wants to take them all back to this village on a Friday and do a pub crawl. So they go back to do this pub crawl, but the pub crawl turns into something.   It's immensely weird because   they find that this village,   and this is you could say by some not even by a stretch. This is kind of an allegory for what's taking place with us here in in civilization right now or or the remnants of it. When they get back when he gets back to the village, they go to these pubs and nothing's changed   and nobody recognizes them and they should. They should be recognizing them. He's been all he goes, who are you? He goes, I'm so and so, you know, you remember me? He goes, what do you want to drink? And all this kind of stuff and there's there's a lot of beer drinking in the film. A lot.  

Right?   And,   they discover,   whilst there he goes to the urinal   and he ends up in a fight with this young guy   and he   literally smashes his head clean off   because he's a robot.   And it turns out that the whole town has been taken over by robots from an alien force that are trying to make us all peaceful and happy.   It's   there's not much more I can say about other than to watch it because it's all in the detail, but it's it's a bloody funny film. And in the end,   they've taken over nearly all the humans, the the just these drunkards are left, this is very English, they're drunk surrounded by them in this big sort of pit talking to them and the sort of head guy is trying to persuade them about why they need to join the peaceful universe,   but these drunk English guys don't want anything to do with it. They're not interested   and it's quite a funny sort of exchange. And I think it sort of shows the belligerent attitude that we're gonna have to take that we don't want your help, basically.  

So,   I don't I don't know whether I've bigged the film up, but it's bloody funny. This is what I would say. It's very very funny. They're also responsible for   Shaun of the Dead, which if you haven't seen, he's a great zombie Oh, it's a classic.  

[02:08:45] Unknown:

That's absolutely brilliant. Classic. It was Especially at the beginning, but Yeah. Where he doesn't notice all these bodies around. He's so preoccupied   with with his daily duty. He just goes at the shop, you know, if I get something, just blood up the wall if it doesn't know it's a thing. No. Sorry. I I I can't even have No. It's cool. Shaun of the Dead's great. The other and they also did Hot Fuzz, which I think is one of the funniest films ever made.  

[02:09:10] Unknown:

It's just absolutely   astonishingly mad and funny and silly. But but, yeah, The World's End is kind of they're saying as they're going through it, they're saying, well, everybody kind of quite liked being peaceful.   And it's what they're doing is literally people have gone dormant. They so like being taken over and being replaced by robots that they just allow it to happen.   Is that not what's taking place now?   Are not people becoming slightly robotized?   And the AI thing   is,   it's almost freaky and spooky. It's weird. It's not like any other sort of changeover. I heard something today.   They were talking about people think, oh, it's not gonna change too much.  

Are you kidding me? The more you think about it, you realize. I mean, the middle classes are gonna get devastated. Those office manager jobs. Right?   They're gonna be gone inside five or ten years, are they? Who's gonna do anything?   And they were talking about a farming,   app or a farming robot or an AI robot that they've got that picks   wheat or, you know, harvest wheat. And they were measuring it against a human being doing it.   And the machine,   in the same period of time gathered up 20 times the amount of wheat.   This is someone with a combine the machine was just quicker   at everything.  

So Plus there's there's a huge chunk of work that we have   for millennia   part of, you know, in our bones being used to doing   that people I don't know quite where we go. I mean, I've said that I'm a neo Luddite but I don't know quite what's gonna happen with all this. I don't know what your thoughts are because   it's it's weird. I I find this one super weird Yeah. Because we've been   well, yeah. We've been moved towards becoming more and more efficient. You go, look how efficient it all is. I'm going, yeah but there's no life left. What am I supposed to is it literally a case of what am I supposed to do? I mean,   I'm obviously seeing this wrong because I guess if you recreate it in your head, you say well there's loads that you actually could do   but are people equipped to do it?  

Is it gonna be a case that the population will literally watch not 250   games of football on Sky Sports this year but in about five years 10,000.   They'll be watching football   three hundred and sixty five days a year, twenty four seven.   What's going to go on? Any guesses, anybody? I'm   I'm all ears on this one because it's the the the other fact was, apparently, at the moment, like, 50% of all websites are basically auto builds by   AI and they reckon by the end of this decade it'll be nigh on 95%   of all websites.   So that's web designers out of a job. I've seen some of these apps online. You can just basically type a few instructions. I think I mentioned it here before. I went into one about three weeks ago, very simple.  

I said, what do you want?   So a website, an app builder. You can just play on it for a few hours. I went, oh, build me a radio station, pick up this feed, do that, this, that, and the other one. Okay. About five minutes later, get ready. Bang. It just came up. All working.   It's just nuts.   It's like that,   it's like Jarvis in the Iron Man movies that will just do anything for him. If we've all got one of those, what's gonna go on? What's gonna happen?  

[02:12:27] Unknown:

Are we gonna go mad? I could see us going mad, losing our minds. Well, that What do you think? They're talking about a gizmo that you just put in your car and it'll drive you wherever you wanna go. Just you just sit as a passenger at 20 miles an hour though  

[02:12:39] Unknown:

and not and not outside your fifteen minute trap zone  

[02:12:44] Unknown:

oh that's fine yes yes you keep get just go round around round round about that's probably what happened yeah but no it's it's it's   everything is a double edged sword isn't it really when you think about it   things to make our life easier whilst the time making it more complicated   that's that's the problem  

[02:13:03] Unknown:

I mean what if they were to send Elon Musk is is these robots, I forgot what they're called. Have you seen these robots, Thomas,   that Elon Musk is making?  

[02:13:12] Unknown:

Yes. I have seen them.   Not only those from from Elon Musk, but also the this this very big order coming from Amazon. I think they talked about 750   robots   Yeah. Which, were ordered by Amazon too.   I think they want to fire   200,000   or 250,000   employees,   instead of them   then ordering these these 750,000   robots.  

[02:13:41] Unknown:

Right. Well,  

[02:13:44] Unknown:

if if I I guess,   I I've I've tried this AI for for myself, and I'm I'm surprised   to what it can do meanwhile.   I tested it some some years ago, and it was nothing. But meanwhile, it   it seems to be a very nice tool for for certain   tasks.   Let's   try to see a very good chance, a very good possibility.   If   AI and robots will will exchange   humans   in in a very wide area of examples,   those humans have more free time, of course. Of course, they they can then   enjoy some some computer games or some football games on on on TV, but perhaps at least some of them will   spend their time creating something, creating, perhaps   doing some arts,   sculptures,   paintings.  



[02:14:44] Unknown:

Will they will they do it without AI, though?   Will they do I mean, I'd love the idea, but what happens if everybody is as good as Michelangelo?   There's something weird. I've been thinking about all these things. I mean, why is it that we Yeah. Well, if  

[02:14:58] Unknown:

you use AI for for creating a picture like Michelangelo, of course, it it will be in the quality of Michelangelo, but this will not be a painting. If you use a   if you try to use AI for a painting, you should you should at least have a robot who could paint with with the help of AI.   But I guess   real quality   in in the real painting   will also in future come from a real human.  

[02:15:24] Unknown:

How will we know?   I'm paying   the advocate character. How will we know? Will we know?  

[02:15:31] Unknown:

I no. I I think, at some point, we will reach a state where you cannot decide whether painting   was painted by human or robot.  

[02:15:43] Unknown:

I I think I don't know if I want to be in this world. It's super weird. I can't get what's left of my brain can't get my brain around it.   It's like taking away, you know, if you think about when you wake up on a morning,   most mornings, if if it's a good waking up process,   you will leap out of bed with a big grin on your face,   possibly not. I accept that in these circumstances but you'll you must have had mornings where you do because there's a task ahead of you that you are gonna do.   A little goal, some aim. You have to, you know, I don't know, whatever it is. Build a shed or take a shed down or something like that. Little these little tasks come up. If   if it is the case that robots are doing everything,   I mean, I saw the ones that I mean, Musk is planning on selling these robots. They've really got the cost down. He's saying it'll they're under $11,000.  

That's about £8,000,   I think, by current things, 8 and a half thousand pounds. He was talking about he said, oh, certain houses will buy more than one or two. He said they'll have, you know, it's like having butlers everywhere, robot butlers.  

[02:16:50] Unknown:

Well, I I just I I just listened to to a video,   where some people are talking about some some experience with so called extraterrestrials.   Mhmm. And this,   special person   talked about,   society from another planet   where they have   a far more advanced technology   technology than than here on Earth right now. And they would have technology where they would think about something and then say, oh, yeah. This this I would like to have, like like   like talking to Alexa. Alexa, I would like to have a chair now. And and this technology,   is able to produce   everything out of nothing. So if you   are are if you stand in an empty room and and say, okay. I I would like to have a conference now here with eight people. We need a chair,   for everybody. We need a big table,   nice looking, made of wood. We need some tanks cold hot. We need some cookies, etcetera. Please do it now. And it will be there just in a in a in a blink of an eye. It's, like, ready there.  

If we would think about the technology like this, of course, this technology has to do something with AI   and with   three d printing or three d   materializing,   whatever you will call it,   this would be something   else that we are we have right now here.   And this would be even more advanced   than the the so called problems we are talking right now.   Yeah. I I guess situation like that would   produce   a very   fast paced   environment for all of us because no matter what you think of, it will be there in in the next second.   And it will disappear if you want. Isn't that worrying?  



[02:18:44] Unknown:

I'm worried, but I think I I think I'm about to hit my sell by date.   I I because   there's something I'm really into slowness.   The faster everything's got,   the more slowness   is becoming appealing   with   moments of beingness   instead of doing stuff.   It's really I'm finding I'm personally finding it a very weird idea to think about. I can't I just think that some of the sort of frustration of life might go out of it, and I think that's a bad thing.  

[02:19:16] Unknown:

I I think But even in in in but even if it if it, in a technology,   if it technologically,   advanced society like that, where we'd have everything in the blink of an eye, you could celebrate your slowness   just in in going into your backyard and then creating something out of an an odd piece of wood, for example. Just   slowly,   step by step, taking a knife, doing it yourself. Why not? Just a kind of meditation, for example. And if you are not happy with it, then then let the technology, let it disappear and start a new one.  

[02:19:51] Unknown:

It's a super weird it's one of the weirdest thoughts that's ever sort of I've had run through my head. I find it But we could Yeah.  

[02:19:59] Unknown:

Yeah. But we could have sorry. I didn't mean to cut in. No. No. No. Could have,   skills come back because people have the time to do these skills   I mean for example near where I live not far there's a restored water mill and when you went there all long time ago and when you're in there and it's working they're actually grinding   flour there and you can actually buy bags of flour   now this technology is what from the eighteenth century   it's the beginning it well basis beginning the industrial revolution It's so relaxing.   You get this thing going boom boom boom boom. It's it's it's just a relaxing pace. And the noise of what's going on in there is not irritating. When you go into any factory and there's   all four noises putting your nerves on end but this isn't it's all wooden everything's all because everything is timber in there so it it's more like a sort of   I don't know more like a human body working it's it's really strange You feel very relaxed when you walk out of the place.  

And it's a living, working,   mill.   You know, it's it's it's marvelous. It really is. So So you realize that years ago, people weren't stressed out like they are today.   It's very much   strange.  

[02:21:19] Unknown:

I just   the idea of not being stressed out really stresses me out.   Yeah. It's no. I'm just I I I'm trying to think about it in a constructive way and I've not found a way to do it yet. This is me. This is my my personal I'm not finding a constructive way to think about it. I suppose if you think about many of the tasks that could be done on the Earth   like,   reforesting the deserts, which could be done, I suppose battalions of robots   out there   doing it could work because, you know, I from what I understand, if you if you get an area of land with plants in it about   I think it's about 15 or 20 miles in diameter,   that becomes a self sustaining ecosystem. So the idea I mean, why couldn't the deserts be completely   reforested?  

It might enable a control of the environment,   which I mean, I'm sure it's gonna to some degree. That's just off the scale.   I mean, this is why the migrant thing, the movement of it, just sort of switching tack a bit,   is obviously not for anybody's benefit.   If the concern is, and it's a good concern,   that you don't like the idea of other people suffering economic deprivation whatever that might mean or certainly food and hunger. People are still starving from hunger in the world and there's no real reason for it. Then shouldn't the resources, our resources be going to actually   enhance   the natural fertile land that these people have at home? Shouldn't shouldn't we be involved in some kind of   large scale project? Instead of that large scale project being colonialism which is what it was in the seventeen and eighteen hundreds,   shouldn't it be in the sort of restoration of these nations? There'll be certain people who want to go and help. I think it'd be I mean, that kind of excites me. I think that that's a stimulating idea. I'm sure there's a much more elegant and eloquent way of putting it. But   that would be the way to help people, wouldn't it? And is it is it is also the plan here. I'm just asking it as an open ended question. This is what it appears to me to be like. This whole globalization process has to be about the destruction of individual distinct cultures   because that is what it's   about. You know, we've got all high streets across Europe, North America beginning to resemble one another. We've got these identikit buildings that are boxes with steel and glass going up everywhere. They're miserable. It's wretched. It's awful.  

The the thing that's always sold to us is economic efficiency, but economic efficiency for whom?   It's as if the the very people that have put us into the shit   are now saying, we're the people to get you out of it. And I'm going, I don't think  

[02:23:58] Unknown:

so. Why would I They're, you know They're interested in regime change like they did with Muammar Gaddafi. Yeah. He was standing in their way, especially in Syria   from going after Assad. They they needed him out of there and then you opened up the floodgates of all the boat people coming over to Europe. Mhmm. After you got rid of Gaddafi, he was preventing that. He was trying to actually make Africa better   and make it bloom, like you said, with the desert. Make it bloom.   Grow fruit, food and fruit, and all the things that people want and need.   And   take care of people there in Africa instead of having them be desperate and   sinking in boats trying to reach the shores of Europe   Yep. As a consequence. I know. But they didn't want they want regime change. He said as much, didn't he?  



[02:24:46] Unknown:

There's statements from him basically saying, if you get rid of me, all this goes. He said, you're gonna create a massive problem for yourselves. But, of   course, we didn't create that problem for ourselves. Something else did. That was obvious this is obviously part of the plan. Now, it can't be controlled or stopped but, of course, getting rid of Gaddafi was to open the floodgates in great part to make that happen. He's not the only one, of course. This is all by design, obviously.   I'm just saying, you know, can you trust the spirit. Can you trust the arsonist to run the fire brigade?  

[02:25:17] Unknown:

It's a revolutionary spirit like here in America. You know, that we got to have a revolution. Well, no, we don't. I wish I wish it had never   happened the way it did. Because what they did is they got rid of Christian primogeniture.   And the the property going to the sons, and the sons pass it on to their sons. And you have people   connected to the land rather than,   everybody in a desperate democracy   trying to,   you know, make make profit   wherever they can,   out of this whole usury system we're under. Yep.   Whereas if you own your land and you know that you can   put food on it and and you know you're not gonna have it taken away so that you can go and pay for some   indoctrination, false indoctrination center for children   called public government schools,   you'd you'd have a society that could provide for itself and be fruitful   and not have to worry about people coming in, invading from other countries,   and all of these   far flung   adventures, you know, with NATO and all these other countries.  

NATO was another one responsible for Gaddafi being   taken out. Yep.   I just recently listened to an old speech by Christopher Stevens who got killed during an operation, and he gave away the beans of what they're trying to do. They're doing regime change.  

[02:26:43] Unknown:

Everywhere.  

[02:26:44] Unknown:

Same   same thing happens everywhere. This same same thing in Ukraine. They wanna get rid of Putin.   Same thing in Gaza. They wanna get rid of the people in Gaza.   And the flags thing that that's interesting you were talking about that in previous shows with that lady   in your neck of the woods. Yeah, Hannah. And now it's a big thing where they're raising the,   the St. George's Cross and that sort of thing. And yet at the same time, they can always whip out with a flag. The problem is with flags and protests, you always got these,   people who run to the top or to the beginning of the parade   with their banner, and then they make it seem like everybody else is marching under that banner.  



[02:27:28] Unknown:

There's just no stopping it, is there? No. I don't know. Stupidity just, is obviously   one of our closest allies.   We can't seem to shake it off.   But, yeah, I   all of this thing, I mean, you know, who would possibly argue against economic efficiency? I mean, it's just that   if you look at it, how much of that economic efficiency transfers into a a better quality of life for the people? I mean, that aside, apparently, we're living longer   but the the psychological   sort of disturbance that we have to live under   is the bit that's unsound. I mean, maybe it's going to turn out fantastic. It's just that at the moment, I'm not equipped enough to see it. Personally, I'm not. I can't see it.  

I understand why the Luddites started smashing all the looms up,   you know, because they were concerned about losing their jobs. This makes sense. Why? Because they need to get   paid. So, I mean, is it in a way, it's a wrong it's a muddled way of thinking about things because people are working basically for the bank and the economy, and the bank and the economy   does not work for the people.  

[02:28:37] Unknown:

And maybe every Labor's the source. Yeah. Labor's the source of all value.  

[02:28:42] Unknown:

What happens though when we've got AI robots basically making a labor workforce or a huge chunk of it   irrelevant to the to the operation of the provision of food and the transportation of stuff.   That's what I'm getting at. It's sort of like, oh, he's only a truck driver. Yeah. But he quite likes being a truck driver. I'm not arguing that everybody should be a truck driver nor am I a guinea. I don't know. It could be, you know, some people I'm very happy doing this, you know. There's human happiness involved.   How do you create meaning in your life? I can't imagine that everybody's gonna turn out to be an artistic talent. In a way,   it's kind of worrying if everybody thinks they can. This is one of the issues I have with the so called pop music industry and all these other things. People have got all these electronic gadgets. They press a few buttons. They use auto tune and they crank out crap.  

I mean, it's is it is it not the case? I'm just I don't know. I don't know what you guys think. That when you know that a bloke or a woman sweated really hard over something like some embroidery work or a painting   or the design of a staircase and you know that human sweat and men with hammers did it and nails had to be driven in. Somehow to me, this is obviously because I'm from the old world, it just seems to have more value. There's a poem about that somewhere. It's almost as if modern stuff that speeds it up,   reduces the love that we have for the thing.  

Or am I wrong? Maybe I'm wrong. I mean, I, you know, when I look at modern buildings, I can't love them at all. They're just unlovable.   They're all about function, aren't they?   What's that thing? That's what they got into. Form reflects function. We're not into function. It's just boring,   you know. We want, you know, why did they make beautiful buildings? Why did they have columns and couplers and domes and arches and all the engravings? Why? Why did we do all that? Because they're yearning to actually sort of add beauty into the world. It it's  

[02:30:32] Unknown:

it's it's good. We feel good about it. Yeah. Sorry. Paul, think think of another situation. You talked about architecture and modern cities being ugly.   If we would have   lots of people,   having nothing to do and and if those people might have the idea of, hey, let let's do something pretty,   they would not be able to do   the job, for example, on on on London. Make make London pretty again.   Exchange all the ugly buildings with with pretty ones.   Make some some nice marble   sculptures there,   huge with two or three meters height,   like like in The Vatican or on the Peter's Dome, for example.  

There are not enough and there are not enough art artists of this world to to do a job like this within a few years, for example.  

[02:31:33] Unknown:

Would it convince the people that it was of any value if they knew a machine was is doing it?  

[02:31:39] Unknown:

If if if the result   would be the same   quality as, for example, the older ones of Michelangelo,   it would be the material, it would be hand   robots handmade.   It would be   of the same height, would would be of of the same   details, etcetera.   Why not?   It's pretty.  

[02:32:02] Unknown:

Because I think that I think there's something missing.   I can't even describe what it is. I think there's something missing.   It just   it seems like a plastic world.   It it just doesn't I'm not if if I really felt that, I'd be getting excited about it, and I'm not.   I'm I'm in a state of mild dread about it. It's as if   all that quality, like I was saying, of of literally human touch   that's connected with old buildings. This is why the old stuff is good because momentarily   you are like envisaging what the builders actually had to go through. There's great tales about it when you see these photographs of them with their wooden scaffolding or the fact that they made those enormous bells across Europe. But if there's a machine shop just cranking this stuff out, would we value it? We go it was, you know, value is to some degree driven by its rarity. You go, well, the reason why that Michelangelo statue is so amazing is there was only one Michelangelo.   It's astonishing   and I like to be astonished. Am I gonna be astonished by what I know a machine can produce flawlessly? I don't think I am. It's as if some emotion   that's connected to life is no longer gonna be present to the degree that it could be through human effort. Maybe I'm talking out my backside.  

I mean, I can't stop it anyway. Personally, I don't know how we're gonna stop it. I don't even know whether it's sensible to stop. I'm just saying I'm personally confused by it. I think there's something missing in it. It feels empty,   and I'm not impressed. And And we've got a photograph for today's show which is Charles Dickens with his pen.   It doesn't mean anything by the way. I had to get all the, we've haven't talked about Charles Dickens once, have we? But it's a nice picture and, I've mentioned Dickens before. So there's a guy who literally probably bought ink by the gallon, probably had a big vat or a pump of it in his house and had a personal deal with the paper merchant to ship in, you know, 10,000 sheets of paper every six months because that's how much he was going through. Now, I'm sure maybe if you said, well, if I had a dictation machine, I could have just spat it out. But could he? I don't really know.   Times change. Things change all the time. I accept all that. There's nothing we can really do about that. But this one feels   to me different.  

It feels it's like a complete replacement   of huge areas of work that currently vast numbers of people do.   And is that gonna be a good thing? You know? And how fast is it gonna take place? I don't know. I just I, you know, I really don't  

[02:34:35] Unknown:

dome in Rome.   Think of you going now into this huge church and then looking at all those beautiful sculptures.   Okay. You go out again, and then   the paper stone will be   renovated, and all the sculptures will be exchanged with some   AI robot   produced ones, which are exactly the same. Same material, same size, same height, same works,   only made by robots.   You will not see the difference.   And if you will not know it, you will still have the same feeling within this church. Maybe.  

[02:35:14] Unknown:

I don't know.   Because I think I would know it.   I think we'd all know it. You'd see the change. But maybe this generation would know it, but maybe subsequent generations wouldn't because they'd be just born into it, I suppose.   Maybe it's a bit like being born into the TV age and your parents really couldn't get used to it or were not that interested.   Took a long time to catch on. But if you were born in the late fifties or the early sixties, you were the TV generation. That's what you got. And you didn't question it. You just absorbed  

[02:35:44] Unknown:

it. What you're talking about is something like, you're talking about, venues   in in the earlier times, then the compact disc, the CD, and now we have the m and   and and it's it's still the same music.   Plus,   some experienced listeners, some experienced musicians will hear the difference if it's a m p three file or   a a CD or even   all the   Yeah.   Maybe that's the case. Yeah. But but on the other side, maybe the AI and the robot technology will make some more advancements,   which will then come to the output that the result   will will not you will not be able to see the any difference because it's really done   in the same way. There will be a robot which works like Michelangelo   with a hammer,   with with all the same tools.  



[02:36:35] Unknown:

Oh, no. I'm not happy about it.   Anybody else get a good feeling about this? I just I'm interested in what everybody else and maybe I'm a weirdo or something. I just,   it's a bit like, you know, back to teeth again, but maybe I'm just too long in the tooth to be able to take it on board. I suppose I've got slightly romantic view of life. I just like the idea of people struggling hard to produce something amazing.   That's in in great part that's why it's an amazing thing.   That somebody would bring something if everything's about computer calculation,   oh, we know how to create new art movements or whatever. Not that I'm necessarily looking for them.  

Does it mean anything? Is it just a big sort of is it is it is it just slightly different from watching it all on video knowing that it was electronically made and all this, that, and the other? It's human beings that that we're really interested in, not robots. And it just seems I don't know if they're,   you know.  

[02:37:29] Unknown:

It it could be that we come to an to a marketplace   where where the where the sculptures will have two different prices, whether this is a sculpture made by AI and Robert's and and and and Robert's. This sculpture is made by a real human. May   maybe   the other one the the real human one,   will have perhaps will will cost 1,000,000,   and and do the AI thing maybe be cost 10,000 or something. Maybe. But but if they still look the same, why not having both of them? Because   for for me, I I would like I I would rather love,   to have all the cities being beautiful again rather than accepting that that would take two centuries to rebuild all this.  

If if we could make all this within a few years with AI and and robots,   why not?  

[02:38:19] Unknown:

The the problem is man's fallen nature and just the idea of, like, people getting envious of other people's work, and and and it's always the computer   programmer that sets the tone for the AI.   And you're talking about Rick Beto and the copyright thing, you get people like that involved where you have copyright violations, so it dictates what the AI model can actually do. That's the problem.   If you could trust,   and that's a big big if Yeah. These AI models,   then maybe that you you have a do you do have a point, Thomas. I I I see potential for it. But if we could   trust it, yes. The problem is, do you trust an AI model enough to put your life in its hands and and fly an airplane?  

That's that's the question.   And then policing that   process so that you know it. I don't know. Like a book. Like, can it write a book as good as,   Charles Dickens?  

[02:39:20] Unknown:

A little bit like like like my problems with translations   or or the these Alexa systems. When when I when I take a look at these Alexa and and what was the Google name?   Google. I I don't know. So we we have these AI voice recognition systems for for for the homes,   and and I don't like them because every word which is spoken there will be computerized and and sent to another server,   will be stored, will be transformed, etcetera, etcetera. So   I don't like these systems.   But when I think of an Alexa like system,   which   only works localized, for example, only on my phone,   where they are there there's there's no data sent to to any server outside.  

It   it's only working on my phone, personalized within a firewall. Nobody else has access to what I'm saying, what I'm compute what I'm   working on my computer, etcetera. Then this this kind of system would be very interesting. Hey, Alexa, switch on the lights, switch off the lights, switch on the music, etcetera.   Those those are really nice and and and and and and and useful features,   but only without the surveillance.  

[02:40:35] Unknown:

Yeah.   It's funny. Have you seen that film, The Incredibles?   The cartoon thing. The CGI thing.   Anybody seen that? The Incredibles? Parts of   it. It's marvelous. It's absolutely marvelous film. I recommend it very highly. I mean, it's quite old now, but it's brilliantly   it's just great. It's a really good film. Very it's a good family film. Seriously, it's very entertaining,   funny,   moves along at a real lick. It's brilliantly directed even though it's a CGI thing. Taps into all the James Bond movie,   music. It's it's very lots of scenes will remind you of certain sort of James Bond things and all sorts of stuff.   But the baddie in it is a guy called Syndrome   who, when he was young was slighted by the main character, mister Incredible, and is in a war against they're called supers, these superheroes. They're all called supers. Right? And he's just a normal guy. He's like, well, not he's not really a normal guy. I suppose he's a great technologist. Although, he never goes into all this. He just makes all these weapons and things. Right? And there's a bit where he's talking to mister Incredible about stuff because he's got a bee in his bonnet. And he says   he said, I beat you and I don't have any superpowers because he just created all these gadgets. He said he said, what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna build all these machines   and I'm gonna give them to everybody.  

And then everybody will be a super. And when everybody is a super,   nobody will be. That's part of the thread I'm coming at. If this thing if you can't differentiate between   people I've got you see, I love the idea that there's only one Beethoven.   People go, I'm all gonna be Beethoven. No. You're not.   You're not. It's unrealistic to even think about it. But if machines can sort of mimic this stuff, echo it. I mean, I I'd heard that they're trying to use AI to finish off and no doubt it'll be effective.   Finish off unfinished symphonies by Tchaikovsky and people like that.  

It's gonna probably be able to do it.   You know, what's the I don't know what it means. It's just weird. So if everybody's got this stuff   then and everybody's got the same sort of and, of course, we won't. They will always have more grunt power somewhere. Okay. So be it. You know, if they're benign   I'm not holding my breath on that one. But   doesn't it sort of take something out of life? That's what I'm is is it poetry that I'm addressing?   It's something like that. There's something about struggle. Even the thing about saving money. You see, we don't do that now because everything's so fast but,   not that I'm loaded or anything, you know. But in the past, when you're sort of young and you're moving into earning money and you want something,   it suddenly used to be like this in the seventies. I must sound like a chronic old fart, I suppose, to some people now. But you would save it up.  

And when you've waited six months of saving, you finally got that thing. It was pretty cool to get it.   Now it's not gonna be like that. Everybody goes, oh, no. I I I made one of those yesterday morning and then I then I destroyed it. I just make them and destroy them all the time. Are people gonna go mad having their,   first level of desires, which are usually material,   just instantaneously   satisfied?   Is that gonna be a good thing? It's these things that's the sort of impact back on us. Yeah, Eric. But what about Randy,  

[02:43:54] Unknown:

robots that like humans?   I mean, he won't be able to walk down the road unless you got got one touching you up or sort of chatting you up? Are they gonna make those? Get off me, you bloody robot. Is that what Hello, darling. How are you? You know? And that do you ever see,   the Daleks in, Pakistani   doll Daleks robots on Spike Milligan?   You ever Spike Milligan had a Pakistani   good morning, darling. You know?   Yeah. You think about it. You're gonna have round the robots out chasing you. You know, chase me. Chase me.  

[02:44:28] Unknown:

Mhmm. I mean, Billy Silver writes here, the difference between a beautiful painting   and a perfectly   executed painting by AI is that one came about by a powerful impression with the desire to convey it and one did not. That's what we're touching on. You could call it soul or poetry or the aspiration of the spirit to achieve something higher. And I don't think that the sort of   the the the pragmatic solutions to perceived problems,   in terms of the physical universe is not gonna satisfy that desire.   It it leaves me cold thinking about it.   I'm not arguing for pointless   misery and struggle and physical hardship. There's been plenty of that.  

But in a way, even that is a positive.   You you get crap in your life no matter what age you're in. We've got a we've got a different type. We don't have so much physical hardship, although I've got trouble with one of my teeth right now. We'll go back to that. We do get those things and, you know, I've griped about it this evening enough. So there's stuff like that and we still feel pain physically.   Robots won't be feeling pain, I'm assuming,   or they'll be pretending   to. The people relate to these. I mean, I've seen these geeks talking about these things as if they're gonna sort of have a relationship with them. They're deranged   in my view.  

It's and it's it's just odd. I find the whole thing odd. I mean, if if we get sort of going back to basics, what is you could say, what is the purpose of life? Well, there are many involved in it and they sort of reveal themselves to you and change with time as you move through the years. I'm sure of it. Your priorities shift. You may be calm down. Sometimes, you don't want to calm down. You get even worse maybe for a cantankerous   old git, which is no bad thing.   But love,   particularly the love of a woman if you're a man and vice versa if you're a woman is a big deal. I'm not saying that AI is going to stop that happening   but somehow, a lot of the sort of details that are involved in all these processes   may just evaporate. You know, like, well I haven't got her an engagement ring because I haven't got enough money yet. But if you've got a machine that just makes all this stuff, does it become it's such an effortless, appears to be, a thing without effort and you can't show your commitment to other people. I I haven't really even thought this through. I'm just saying the repercussions of it, I think are gonna be colossal.  

Every time I start thinking about what's gonna happen to people who think they've they're securing their jobs, you look at what AI is gonna do. And I want to love it. You go, this is great. It frees people up. Let let let me add something. But does  

[02:47:07] Unknown:

it? Let let me add something. Yeah. Please.   You are talking about   every every materialistic   thing you can think of, no matter if it's a wedding ring or a painting or sculpture   or, you know, new TV, new car, whatever.   Everything materialistic   could be there   with this kind of technology with within seconds,   so it becomes worthless.   Yes. I agree. It it becomes a kind of kind of worthless because it maybe the technology is so good that you do not even have to pay something for it. You don't use resources, etcetera.   Maybe it becomes worthless. But but then   the society and the people within this kind of society will automatically use   a search for for something   of value.  

And maybe they will then come to a very different point of view. They will then perhaps find something   else which they value, perhaps   knowledge No. No. Or wisdom.  

[02:48:09] Unknown:

Yeah. I I think Or love. You could well be right. I think what I'm saying is that I I feel as though I'm about to hit my cell by day.   I'm serious.   Like,   so I followed technology and got onto computers in 1984. I had a Mac in 1984 when I was in my early twenties. Never really been away from it. Loved it. Loved all the developments of it, particularly when all the information space started happening with the web   and all these documents that, as I've said before,   we never even knew existed,   topics, fields of thought that were basically never ever came up so you never thought about them. They suddenly started to come up and there's this colossal rich field   that's been effectively hidden, veiled from us by all the alternative writers through history. People have got hold of these things. I know we're in a relatively small pocket, but for someone like me and I suspect for people like you, it's been an absolute joy. It's been hard as well and you you realize that you're out a kilter with such a huge number of other people who appear to not be questioning anything much. That's the main problem.  

But this one   is like   too much for my tiny little northern brain really at this moment to take on board. I'm just being quite honest about it. As I look at the repercussions, I'm thinking, yeah, but all the things I like,   this sort of   stops   if it removes all of the sort of I don't know. Sometimes certain bits of struggle are actually satisfying when you overcome them.   This provision of instantaneous   material organization   or for want of a better phrase, you know, the instant acquisition of no that table's too big. It's to make another one for me in five minutes, will you? I don't know what I don't know whether I'm gonna get much of a buzz out of that. Maybe I'll just think it's brilliant.  

[02:49:55] Unknown:

I don't know. Mark and you look for the other Yeah. Go on. Yeah. It's sorry. But look at the other thing. There's a picture of, Charles Dickens with a quill. Yep. We can now create a book   umpteen times quicker than Charles Dickens could. We got pens that can write far more efficiently than a quill.   So that is a bit of advancement which has helped us because in Dickens days,   only a very, very, very, very small minority could write books.   They had the education to. Nowadays, anyone can write a book, and look at what's happened I mean when I published my dad's book in 1999   Amazon didn't exist   the problems I had to get in that book pub I'd publish it myself because publishers wouldn't touch it yeah but nowadays   I've updated it. It's now on Amazon   and,  

[02:50:47] Unknown:

it's a total. Done. I mean, what Easy. I suppose what I would say to that, Eric, we we just go back to the quill and the pen thing.   And I'm just making this stuff up as it jumps into my head, it might be bunk really, is that was about a matter of degree.   In other words, you still have to pick up a pen. You still have to create solitude for yourself.   You have to be a thinker. Writers are basically first and foremost thinkers.   They're thinking this stuff. And then the writing is the final act. It's the symptom of the inner turmoil as it were. It comes out, you know, but it's not a you need a pen, obviously, because you gotta make markings down on a sheet of paper so that people can visually see them and read your thoughts.   Yeah. But this this to me strikes me as being something of a completely different order. As if something is gonna literally produce all this stuff permanently because, oh, we can anticipate your intellectual progress in the next three years. So we've got a whole array of 500 books lined up that we're gonna release over the next six years and it'll bring you to this point. I'm going, who's driving this thing anymore? Is it us   or is it this external thing? And if it and I think it's gonna be this external thing and it may well be this external thing and that's where I'm feeling like I'm past my cell by day. I'm going it's a space that I can't   I can't associate with at the moment. Maybe I'll change and go, this is great. I love it. But I don't, you know, personally, I don't want stuff. I want less stuff in the world. I I'm sick of stuff. I want less stuff and I want it to be better quality. I don't want tons of stuff. Maybe everybody just goes, no, I really do want a helicopter. I got this machine. I made a helicopter this morning. I flew around a bit,   because it had a a it had a robot pilot in it, and we went all over the place. That was cool. And then we destroyed the thing, and we've turned the helicopter   into a chicken shed. Oh, I don't know. But somehow, I'm going, will we all go will we get blitzed out on instantaneous gratification? I kinda think we will, but this is from my viewpoint as I sit here tonight. That's it. It might be different tomorrow or yeah. Paul, please jump in.  



[02:52:48] Unknown:

I I've got to say that I'm completely on board with you.   It is certainly sure that   if a   AI could rebuild a city   or rebuild architecture,   AI is not going to possess the solar, the creativity   to come up with truly beautiful and unique original works.   They will be copies.   They will be counterfeits   of whatever existed before.   There will be no soul. There will be no individuality.   There will be no humanity in that city,   in that town.   Anybody that looks at it and thinks it's beautiful   is going to be about as empty inside as the AI that created it.   Humans have been bred   and conditioned to be lazy.  

We have to fix that first. And if we're rebuilding towns and villages in ugly architecture,   we do it one building at a time with truly unique   individuals,   and when the appreciation   for those buildings spreads,   it will overtake   the boundaries of the village.  

[02:54:03] Unknown:

That's currently where my thinking is at, but I guess it's gonna get shifted as our thinking always does with things. That's the way I I tend to agree with what you're saying. I just think that humans will sense, even though you say, there's no way you could possibly know that this is different. I think there's something else. And in a voice that go, this ain't right. That's that's what I've got going on with you. This ain't right. This ain't what what we're we're supposed to struggle.   Struggle's part of that kind of furnace   in life that forms your character.  

If you if you take a huge area where much struggle takes place, you know, like, it's like when we look back at these engineering feats,   these buildings,   you know, we're just going, wow.   Some guys did this.   It's stunning, you know. I and I like that feeling of being stunned and being   impressed   by what I know therefore,   even though I might not fully express it in this life, some of that must be in me and in the or if it's not directly me because I'm I'm a klutz with a hammer, the guy down the road, look at what he can do. This is, you know, and you wanna clap him. It's that I'm not gonna clap a machine, am I? I'm gonna go, you're a fantastic machine. You can just do anything. I'm not interested in it. I can't have a relationship with it that counts. It's meaningless. It's just more matter, moving matter around.   It's without that spirit of   stuff and maybe we'll be fooled. That's an anxiety, I guess, to use a stronger word that I've got about it. We'll be so deceived. You only have to look at the way people have become literally hypnotized by smartphones   courtesy of the blue screen   and,   and everything that's going on. And we become habituated,   do we not, to a way of life.  

And you and you go, I can easily change that. Try.   It's not easy.   You don't realize it, but it's like subtly embedded in every part of you that you've I I've got a ritual here and I've looked sometimes I look at it, I go, this is stupid. I need to break this. Like, going on the bike this morning broke the moment for me. It sounds ridiculous, but it did. And I came back really happy that I've got finally jumped on the bike. I was forced because I'd have been late to to have the great tooth moment, with the new dentist this morning. And it all turned out it was fun. You know, does   do robots get a thrill out of anything? They don't. They're just mimicking having a thrill. This is why I'm just   you know, so I'm just struggling I'm struggling with it, personally. You might not be, but I am.  



[02:56:27] Unknown:

Yeah. But once upon a time, for example, in the seventies, clothing was quite expensive.   So with shoes now, they're   dirt cheap.   When the spinning jenny, we had them,   you you   well, to clothe yourself, it was a phenomenal price because it all had to be done by hand. But once they brought out the big loons and that, clothing became cheaper.   And when you look at what you've got around you, look, for example, we got this computer.   Now that probably be that's most of the computers made by robots.   It's brought the cheap price down. Otherwise,   nobody it would be just be prohibitively   expensive to have a computer. Yeah. It isn't.  

They're cheap.   Smartphones.   I mean, alright. They've got child labor doing it in in in China, but they probably have robots doing it, so a child labor.  

[02:57:16] Unknown:

Sorry. So that No. No. It's I think it's a I I I'm struggling with as a topic which I quite like.   I don't feel in control of this at all, you know.   And,   we've all got stuff going on. We're coming to the end of the show anyway, just to let you know. You'll hear the little guitar player any moment now. He's just about to kick in. Thomas, any final words from you this time around?  

[02:57:43] Unknown:

Have a good night.  

[02:57:46] Unknown:

It's been good to have you back on. It's we've moved around a bit, haven't we? And, it's been nice being in your beer, Keller,   for a few,   a few jars and a bit of a chat this week.   And,   we'll be   I can see the AI theme being   something that we're gonna return to quite frequently or maybe I   am until everybody gets driven crazy   about the whole thing. It's all gonna turn out great. We've got fantastic people in charge of the world. They love us, and all their plans are great, and it's gonna make the world lovely. And if you believe that, oh   oh, dear.  

Oh, dear.   Thanks to Thomas this evening and to Eric and to Paul and Patrick. Thanks for being with us. We'll be back again same time next week. Have a jolly good week. Learn about AI and maybe you come on this next week and call in and just blast our ears out about how brilliant it's gonna be or whatever your anxieties are. Maybe I'll have to become an AI agony ant or something. I'm worried about this. We'll see you all next week anyway. Bye for now, everyone. Keep good. God bless. Bye for now.