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PAUL ENGLISH LIVE #096 · paulenglishlive.com
Thursday July 17th · 8pm UK · 3pm US eastern

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In this episode of Paul English Live, we delve into a myriad of topics, starting with a technical hiccup that briefly interrupted the broadcast. Paul shares his pre-show routine, which includes a walk to the seafront, where he observes sailing boats emerging from the mist, likening them to ghost ships. The conversation meanders through the weather, the peculiarities of rain patterns in Southeast England, and the atmospheric conditions that amplify the sound of rain on his conservatory roof. Paul also shares a personal story about a friend, Sussex Man, who is currently in hospital, highlighting the challenges faced by the elderly and the healthcare system.

The discussion shifts to broader societal issues, including the impact of mass immigration on local communities, with a focus on a migrant centre in Epping, Essex. Paul and Eric explore historical parallels, such as the Peasants' Revolt, and the potential for civil unrest in response to government policies. The episode also touches on the role of AI, with a focus on Elon Musk's Grok 4, and the implications of artificial intelligence on society. Eli James joins the conversation, bringing insights into the historical and biblical significance of serpents, the pharmaceutical industry's role in modern society, and personal anecdotes from his time in the Vietnam War. The episode concludes with reflections on the interconnectedness of global events and the pervasive influence of powerful entities.

[00:00:06] Unknown:

It's,   it's,   it's Thursday July 17. Paul English live number 96. We're here with you and you're here with us for the rest of your lives. Now for the next few hours,   welcome to the show.   And that was a that was a quiet one for me. We just had a little technical thing there.   Patrick, thank you very much for the, the update. We had a little failure there   Sending the signal out to Radio Soapbox, but here we are on WBN three two four. We're also on rumble and YouTube.   So welcome back. Hope you all had a wonderful week.   Weather's been fantastic again, although,   I've just been out for my pre show   preamble and ramble down to the seafront which was,   so it's very warm again today. It's quite muggy. We always like to start off with the weather or at least I do. I'm always I'm always sort of very comfortable talking about the weather   and, just trotted on down to the seafront, which is a mere couple of 100 yards away,   to see these,   little what do you call them?  

Sailing boats.   There's got to be a proper name for them. There must be a proper name for the type. They're they're like dinghies, you know, two or three guys in them, that kind of thing zooming around. But they were all coming out of the mist. It was quite wonderful actually. So the fog, there's a sea fret in right now and it's almost up to about 20 yards from the shoreline. So they just they were zooming in and out like ghost ships, which was very very pleasant anyway.   And   full of English people. I just thought I'd let you know that. I know some of you are probably getting worried straight off. No, it wasn't. There weren't those sorts of boats even though I guess we're not a million miles from where many of them crash land,   which would be where?  

Kent,   on the Kent Coast and down places like that and maybe all along the South Eastern Seaboard or whatever whatever it's called these days. But they don't they don't tend to sort of float down here. I have no idea why and, we're all relatively glad of it. Although, you know, I love everybody as you all know. Anyway,   that's, so that's just set the scene for this evening. But, we're here with you hopefully for the next few hours and you are with us too. You can catch us of course, or tuned in on WBN three too far. We're going out on Radio Soapbox,   Holyland Radio,   Eurofolk Radio,   Rumble and YouTube. So if you're chatting away on Rumble and YouTube, we should see you as we thunder through an amazing array of topics which none of us are really aware what we're going to talk about. I've got a few things in mind of course. We always have a few, but I found that,   if we plan things too tightly, it's kind of pointless because we end up talking about something else anyway.  

Anyway, welcome to the studio, Eric. How are you this fine,   Essex evening? I'm assuming you're having a pretty good evening.  

[00:04:13] Unknown:

Yes. Excellent. We had a a little bit of rain earlier, but let's say rain, you could count the spots that came down as hardly anything. Because there's something weird happening.   The rain keeps missing us. This part of Southeast England, the clouds are apart   in in sort of Kent and go either side of Hertfordshire and then join up after Hertfordshire. Isn't that a bit weird? That's very weird. Yeah. Very strange.  

[00:04:38] Unknown:

Yeah. I mean, I was, I'm always sort of mentioned it? No. No. That's interesting. Could it be 5 figures from it? I don't know. Could be. Did you have oh, look. I'm I'm losing track of time. Was it this Sunday just gone?   It might have been where there was the most enormous   opening of the heavens. There may have been around here. It was   I think it They didn't have anything. Oh, we did. I don't think we had anything. Yeah. We did. It was liter it was literally bouncing off the road. It's I love it when it's like that. So it felt like it was yeah. Yeah. Absolutely amazing. And I've got this conservatory at the front of the house still, just barely. It's hanging on. It says I still want to exist. It's, it's definitely seen better days, but it it acts as a weather amplifier. So the volume of the rain on the roof is it's quite a thing really. It's like being in a, I don't know, a gothic   film horror story where the rain's thundering down to signify the arrival of hell   or something like that, you know, that kind of stuff.  

Yeah. Wow.   So all jolly good. And,   so, just by way of, to let you know what we've got in store tonight. We think we've got it in store anyway. I got a message from,   Eli James, who some of you will have heard before. He was last on here about a month ago.   And, Eli's   bouncing around full of energy and all sorts of stuff which is remarkable considering some of the surgeries he's undergone over the last three or four months or is it four or five months? Whatever. He's doing really well. But he sent me a message just before the show to say that he's been called out on an emergency but he is expecting to be back by   4PM   US eastern time. That's 09:00 here tonight our time. So about an hour in from now, just under an hour.  

So he might be a little bit late, he might be a little bit early, I don't really know.   We, I had a chat with him   the other day talking about   such interesting words,   as pharmacia,   which is to do with sorcery,   and of course we will all know about that with regards to pharmacy. It's why, by the way, there's a snake or a serpent in today's image. Of course, if you're on the radio you can't see the show image but we tend to knock one well, no we don't tend to, we do. I not get one put together every week for the show.   It's the most wonderful illustration by,   NC Wyeth   and, who's we've used some of his illustrations before for the show. I'm kind of into all this kind of stuff and,   it's actually,   I don't know if you've seen the image, Eric. You may well have seen it but it's of No.  

It's Charlemagne. That that's supposed to be Charlemagne. I mean, not that I'm necessarily Yeah. I'm at yeah. Charlemagne having a pop at some symbolic serpent.   I mean, should we call them serpents or snakes? I always quite like the word serpent. Is there a difference? No. But Is there a difference? What what?  

[00:07:22] Unknown:

No. I think I think a snake is a serpent, isn't it? I don't know. I'm showing my ignorance here. But, why they're always called Charlemagne? What kind of people called Fred or Bert or or, you know,   Sid? Well, maybe there was.   The serpent slayer, you know? I mean,  

[00:07:38] Unknown:

there was There was Elsid.   In Spain. There was Elsid Yes. In Spain, but spelled c I d. So it has a more sort of, I don't know, Mediterranean flamboyant romantic look to it when you look at it spelled c I d. Yeah. You know, of course, not to be confused with the c I d over here.  

[00:07:54] Unknown:

Strapped into his horse when he was dead, you know, and then he can charge it out, you know, when he's a bit of a stiff, you know. So there we go.   But, no. It's it's funny you're talking about serpents and these because   I was looking at,   the rocker fiddlers.   Sorry. The ro ro ro you know what I mean.   Ains,   they they started Big Pharma.  

[00:08:18] Unknown:

And how it was The the Rockefell are you sure? But I mean, I know you are. I'm just setting you up. Yeah. The Rockefellers.  

[00:08:25] Unknown:

Yes. Did they? Did they do they fit? Did they interfere with the medical practices of the West in a big way? Did they do that? I know. It's I'm shocked. It's a rumour. I it's terrible, isn't it? It is. But,   no. They they they actually paid   doctors to to lie, basically. And they struck people off before practicing natural medicine.   And they   turned natural medicine into sort of voodoo, made it look like voodoo.   And, of course, the rest is history   because,   a brat in in in shall we say inverted commas, our health service is now,   oil based medicines,   which, are castogenic.  



[00:09:09] Unknown:

Yeah. Well, it's really morphed, has it not, into a hell service. Yeah.   It is. I mean, I had a direct emotional   experience about that yesterday. Yeah. Wednesday.   So some of you may know, a few months ago,   we used to get a few calls in from Sussex man, an elderly gentleman over in East Sussex who I've known for many years.   And, Sussex man, unfortunately, has been going through it a bit recently. He had a stroke towards the back end of last year and he fell over last week and he was in the hospital again. And he's in there right now. Oh, no. Yeah. It's all a bit much really and,   you know, he's a seasoned   veteran of life. He's about 86, 87. He's very bright, a very knowledgeable, very intelligent fella. But, of course, if you're, if you're physically sort of incapacitated,   no one can tell that. And unfortunately, he is a bit so he's he's he's a bit banged up again and I went to see him but he wasn't really much of a fit state to talk. Well, he was. He was making noises but I I literally couldn't understand him and I had to tell him this. And he looked at me slightly disappointed. I said, you know, you're having difficulty speaking and I can't understand a word you're saying. It's difficult because,   it just is. You know, I feel for the guy and, I've known him for a long time and I've learned so much in discussions with him and I hope he's learned a bit from me as well, but it's probably more the other way around.  

But he's a wonderful chap and, I'm wishing him all the best. So, you know, to just send that out on that whole babes. Yeah.   Yeah. Has he got any family or anything or is he on his own? I don't know. This is part of the problem really for me. I mean, I'm a bit of a distance from him. I'm about 40 miles away, something like that. I don't mind hopping over because it's always rewarding, you know. So I've been going over maybe every couple of weeks at least once a month for for many years now to just go over and have a chat with him and hook up with other friends. So he has got a circle of contacts around him.   But they're all quite elderly as well. I don't know who they are and there doesn't seem to be a sort of an emergency plan.  

And,   but there's another good friend,   Karen, who's been doing fantastic. She's sort of on top of it,   but she's even further away. She's sort of up in Norfolk and Suffolk, and so it's much more difficult for her to get there. Yeah. Yeah. It's just all a bit tricky. But I was informed I mean his local vicar knows.   Right? And I don't know the name of the vicar, but this is just to give you an idea of kind of the   human landscape here that his vicar's 91.   Right?   Wow. Yeah. There is something slightly comic about it as well. I know there isn't really in real terms, but there is still. There's something slightly very sort of a grim what? And he's looking after his wife who's got dementia who's a bit younger than him. So I'm going, okay. I I think people here are a little bit, over   overstressed in terms of their capacities to get things done. And of course,   I under I think I'm probably gonna be this way as well, but I'm trying to make a note not to be. It doesn't matter what how old you get. You always think you're 25 when you're a bloke, don't you? Do you know what I mean? Yeah. You just do it, don't you? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And,   Sussex man's definitely got a bit of that going on.  

I mean, I know that two weeks ago before he had this fall, he was say, oh, I've got to go out and do the gardening. I'm going, what are you talking about? It's not that I'm trying to make him become an invalid, but the thing is you have to cut your cloth to suit in life. I think you do, don't you? And it's very difficult when you're a guy because   your your sort of your entire persona is wrapped up with your ability to be active and to do things. I mean, I was just up a tree the other day with the old chainsaw.   I got several massive branches out. I was absolutely knackered because I haven't done it for about eight years you know. Yeah. And, quite enjoyed the thing but then might I've had a good excuse since then because the the chainsaws   are just pouring oil all over my highly expensive shorts and legs. No. They're not right. I just thought this is no fun. I'm up here up a tree,   you know, getting   I don't mind getting caught up with twigs. I can't like it in a way. Sort of, you know, you're gonna have a shower after you think, oh, that's good. I can sleep and bleed all over the bed or something like that. But,   yeah. So little things like that. I'm I'm fully aware of myself and I'm sure most of the gentlemen listening in here will probably recognize some truth in this too. But I was just gonna say about the atmosphere in the hospital. It's, I've spent too many days in hospitals over the last few years, far too many,   and I'm almost I I don't like going. I'm really I'm really unhappy about being there.  

It's something to do it's it's not to do with the individuals. It's to do with the constraints   that they behave and communicate under.   It's there's   something extremely disconcertingly   artificial about the space.   That's how it impacts. Although everybody's incredibly kind but the the speed with which things happen is so slow that, you know, really a snail could probably do it better and it's nobody's fault. I'm looking and going, this system here is so messed up.   There's no sort of sense of spontaneous dynamic decision making by anybody because nobody dare because they're under so many, oh, you can't do this. Oh, you can't do this. It's all about what you can't do. It's as opposed to sort of,   you know,  

[00:14:19] Unknown:

what you can do. But it's all box ticking. It's all it's sorry. I didn't mean to cut it, but it's all tick boxes. You know, you have to tick the boxes. All paperwork.   Yeah.   And I I think the know when my parents were in hospital, the nurses were robotic, just like robots.   Yep. And, do they still got this thing where they're not allowed to cut people's fingernails?  

[00:14:39] Unknown:

And, you get elderly pet with nails that have grown about sort couple of inches long. They may they may well do. I don't I mean, Sussex man's not got to that point and hopefully won't. I mean, he's fully conscious,   and he understood what I was saying, but he can't he's very short on oxygen so they've got and,   you know, he he has respiratory challenges anyway from time to time. He's he's prone to getting a bit asthmatic and wheezy. I think he has been most of his life.   And,   so, you know, and the staff are great. They're very helpful and very thorough but there's just this sense of, I mean, I lost I was kind of I'd been in there an hour and fifteen minutes and that was about as much. I mean, the the reason was that there was nothing I could do to help him and that's really frustrating as well you go, there's nothing I can do. I'm just sat here like a spare part at a wedding And I hate that, you know. So I was I'm a bit I get a bit short-tempered, but we're not like that. And, I thought this is silly. I'm just wasting everybody's time. I'm gonna go back and see him hopefully in a few days' time and he will have recovered. But it's Oh, I wish him.   Yeah. Yeah. It's a bit of a problem. It's a bit of a problem. He's   he needs to make a a few more you see, I just don't know if he if he's given power of attorney or anybody or anything like that to anybody. And it's difficult,   and to to comp   compound the problem,   he's had builders in his house which has been a puzzle to me.  

I don't know why but he well, I do know why but it just seems a little bit excessive at this time in life. That's kind of my feeling. But then, who you know, he tarred or something. But it looks like they've stolen his car off the drive as well. So this is turning into a bit of a drama,   and,   I was trying to get the the registration number out of him in conversation, but I just he couldn't communicate it to me. I gave him a pencil and a piece of paper. He's just not strong enough to even do that. So it's very frustrating because if they can get I don't know what his reg is or anything like that. Anyway, this is all a little bit sort of personal sort of Coronation Street y, isn't it, in a way? Well, I understand. Yeah. But it's it's an insight. It's just an aspect of what's probably he's he's probably not the only person undergoing such sort of did he you go, well, this is, you know, happens to people all the time, but the knock on effects are extremely vexatious.   They really are. So Yes. And anyway, good luck to you, sir Sixman. I want him to get well. Yep. I think the old Chinese idea of hospitals was far superior.  



[00:16:50] Unknown:

And that is,   they were built   where the,   where is it now? From where you get winds blowing through   with they had windows and corridors.   Yeah. The winds blow through and they had herb gardens. So the smell of herbs,   smell went through the the hospital.   Right. And they made sure that the patients that were well enough were got out and smelt the herbs and got into the garden and got sunshine and got fresh air.   And that was,   you know, when when Mel was around and before him, and it goes back years.   And now big pharma's going to China, and then that's all going out the window. But, apparently, you know, the way they work was,   they paid the doctor   until they were ill, and then it stopped panning. And   they were not   sure that they will Yeah. All the time.  

And that that that was the way it the way it worked. And they treated the doctor very, very well. But there's something that might be helpful for your listeners. Now I I don't know whether you're like this, Paul, but I put shorts on,   and I'm eating alive with bloody midgies and Christ knows what. Aye. You've got tasty legs. Is that what you're saying? Taste I've got tasty legs.   Essex legs, do they? Yum. Yum. Yum. Well, it's not only that. I mean, my leg has already been to rape counseling from my neighbor's bleeding dog. I mean, it's I'm glad to hear that. At least you're at least you're doing something about it.   That's right. It's shaking like a lead here as we speak. And,   anyway, I went to see Miles. It's not about my neighbor's dog, but about,   to get a top up of tablets and that. And I just,   as I cycled through the Lee Valley, I had to wear long trousers because I knew that my legs would just be full of nap bites.  

And he said,   ah, vitamin b one. So I got some vitamin b one Yeah. And I've taken it. I haven't been bit I haven't been bitten since. So there's a little bit of a word of advice. Vitamin Is is that a condition then that you get? Is it is that a known condition then? Lee Valley legs. Is that what it's known at? The name of Lee Valley legs. Yes. Yes. I get Lee Valley legs.  

[00:18:55] Unknown:

Oh, he's got a bad case there.  

[00:18:58] Unknown:

There's been sightings of Bigfoot in in in,   in Big Valley, you know? So you gotta be careful.  

[00:19:05] Unknown:

Sighting. Lots of sightings of Bigfoot in my life actually because I'm 12   my size feet are over twelve.   Bloody hell. Yeah. I'm only six foot. I've just got the most enormous hands and feet. It's like that. It's quite useful because when it's very windy, I'm like a weeble. I just can't fall over.   Yeah. It's good. Yeah. This is probably not true. I'm exaggerating a little bit, everybody. I am exaggerating a wee bit, you know. But, yeah. Yes.  

[00:19:33] Unknown:

But I've got the most common shoe size of the lot. Eight. There's more people size eight than any other shoe size. That's why you never believe you can get them. But,   I love that you're only six foot. I'm five foot seven.   And,  

[00:19:47] Unknown:

where is he? I can't see him. Where have you gone, Eric? I can't see him.   Oh, I've got to tell I want to tell you a height story. I've got to tell you a story about height. You just reminded me about something.   Years ago, when we were first looking for a house, this is in the nineties, we were living in Wimbledon.   We and, we were going around looking at flats to buy. This would be about 98, 99, something like that.   And, we were looking for a place to buy.   And we got this, viewing to go to this pretty nice sort of townhouse.   And it was within budget, and it looked great on the outside, and it was great on the inside, but that's got nothing really to do with the story. This   well turned out dapper   and rather overly polite,   I. E. Not aggressive, you know, a very sort of well mannered and rather timid in a way for an estate agent bloke turned up. He's nice guy. Right? But he was a bit sort of bumbly, you know, people who are just a bit bumbly,   not quite   there, just a bit bumbly.  

And,   he said, oh, he said, well,   he said, look, we don't have a viewing, but I've got the keys and the owner's out all day and everything and all that kind of stuff. So we can if you're alright, we could just go in for half an hour, have a look around. He said, we've got full permission. We said, sure. Yeah. That'd be great. So we go in and we're we're,   we're walking around   in the lounge   and, he's just talking away and then he turns around and he leaps back   because the owner,   this lady, was she was very small,   right,   was sat in the settee and none of us had seen her. It was funny at the time. I'm sorry. It's not much of a teller. But at the time, it was,   my my wife to be got hysteric. She had to go into the kitchen. It was that it was that that because he just came across as slightly eccentric and completely misread everything about the situation and been talking about the owner. And then he turned around and there she was. She hadn't said a word. It was very funny.  



[00:21:39] Unknown:

Ella's nice thing she was saying. Mhmm. Yeah. He didn't say, oh, she yeah. She's   she spells a p or something like that. That would've been a bit No, Eric. We that this was Wimbledon, Eric, not Essex.   That's a big difference, isn't it? I'm sorry.  

[00:21:56] Unknown:

Because, you know, because I'm extremely posh and come from Wimbledon. Of course, I don't everybody. In Wimbledon. I'm just hamming it up. But,   Yeah. Yeah. Anyway Well it's not much of a term, but it just sprang into my head. I got it out while I could, you know.  

[00:22:10] Unknown:

But my father lived in the village in Essex called Ugly. And the locals who were very posh, they called it uglier.   But actually, it's ugly. It's e u g l y, ugly.  

[00:22:21] Unknown:

Is it with a y, is it? Yeah. Ugly. Yeah.  

[00:22:25] Unknown:

Not u g l e as in the United Grand Lodge of England, which is Oh, no. No. No. There's no no funny handshake around there, ain't it? Well, as far as I know. But,   no. It's it it's it's funny because his father bought a house for a £100   in the nineteen twenties. £100.   There's a lot of money in those days.   And he bought two houses because he was a greengrocer.   He made quite a bit of money because there's no, I don't think they bothered with tax in those days. And he,   rented the other house out. It had no toilets, and it that use a bucket.   That would go to a,   the the the the the water pump in the village to get the water. Yep. Pretty basic.  

And now,   last time I went there, I saw the house where we lived. Oh, it's very heity tighty. And I think they're going for almost, three quarters of a million pounds.  

[00:23:17] Unknown:

Three They're the worst   million pounds.  

[00:23:20] Unknown:

Yeah. And they because they're,   typical a traditional Essex   boarding on the outside.   And,  

[00:23:28] Unknown:

very pretty village though. The name Ugly, I mean, it is very Yeah. I know. Yeah. It reminds me of that Monty Python sketch about Doug and Dinsdale piranha when you said that amount of money.   What's this? He goes, one man who also ran foul of them was Luigi Vicotti.   I was, running a high class night spot for the gentry in Biggleswade,   with international cuisine   and cooking and not a cheap clip joint for picking up touts. That's right. I I deny that completely. It's very good. They came in. They said they sold me one of their fruit machines and would I pay for it? How much did they ask? 3 quarters of a million pounds.   And every time I hear that, that sketch, you see, you just switched it on in my head. It just ran through like a on autopilot.  

Yeah. Luigi Vercotti. Very good. Yeah. Now something else has been happening in Essex though, Eric, hasn't it? Hasn't there been sort of What's that? Some migrant center somewhere is it Essex?   A big sort of gap. There's been a lot Yes. Where is that? In Epping in Essex. Because,  

[00:24:30] Unknown:

I used to think that Epping was when you try to attract a waiter's attention, and they ignored you. You know, that's Epping. But, no, it's it's a bit oity toity, Epping. Is it? And, they've owned a yes. And they've, opened a migrant center there. And their locals are not too happy about it. No. But,   I'm about   10 miles from   from Epping. Probably less than that. Not that far because I'm actually on the   Hertfordshire   of the Essex border.   I'm about two miles from the Essex border.  

[00:25:01] Unknown:

Just Right. So you're almost a trans a trans county guy. You could hop you could go anywhere. Either the the or no. A Trans County. Is it is it known colloquially as Effing Effing? It probably will be at this rate if it keeps on degenerating away. Well, it's effing forest. Yeah. Yeah. Effing forest. Yeah. But, no. Actually, if you wanna go to the drugs capital of England Yeah. You just go up the road to Harlow,  

[00:25:23] Unknown:

which I think I said,   bit before is their council is just marginally left of Mount Seetong.   Mhmm. And,   they've got a Zelensky Way sorry, Zelensky Avenue   and a Mandela Avenue.   Right. We'd all feel at home there then, wouldn't we? Oh, very, very much at home. And I think it has one of the highest drug add addition add edit   addition, amount   highest amount of drug egg drug addicts there are   in,   England.   But with Harlow, when you leave there,   you take part of it with you, and it's normally on the sole of your shoe.  

[00:26:04] Unknown:

Nice. Something to remind you of Harley.   Yes. Yes. Yes. We love it. Like Harlow around here every day.   Have you changed your shoes, dear? No. That's why it smells like Harlow.   Gotcha.  

[00:26:17] Unknown:

But you see, so, like, it's the land of the zombies. You often see people walking along talking to themselves, drugged out their minds. Yeah. It's,  

[00:26:24] Unknown:

little bit rough. No. I I mean, that thing that's taking place in Epping, of course, is in is it microcosm?   It's just another I mean, there are many more incidents like this. But I saw some interviews with, our couple of sort of street journalists speaking to camera, which were pretty good. And what they were saying was   is is hit a point now where,   mothers don't want their daughters going out walking on the streets because they're getting pestered.   And,   the the thing is okay. So   everybody here will have heard of an incident like that in in the past x number of years, but the frequency of these reports is now going up.   Does that mean they're happening more often? I suspect they must be just purely statistically because the volume   of people coming into the country being brought in by our traitorous government, which is not ours therefore it's somebody else's, but by this group of people masquerading as our government who are basically waging war on us through all these so called civil procedures of bringing people in.  

And,   it's a major concern. The other thing,   worth mentioning,   and you should be very proud of this as well, Eric. I would be if I was an Essex person.   Essex is known as a hotbed of vicious dissent,   historically,   which is a yes it is. It's a very good thing. Well, fobbing is in Essex isn't it? Is that right? Yes or flobbing as we call it. Okay. So and of course, fobbing, I've mentioned this before, but the town of fobbing   lends itself to this word of fobbing off. Yeah? If you fob someone's off, that's where it comes   from. And to fob them off is basically to delay something. Specifically,   it dates back to the early thirteen   eighties, I. E. 1380 and just beyond,   which was to fob off the King's tax collectors.  

Right?   And Epping,   along with somewhere in Kent, I can't remember where exactly where Kent where what Tyler was, was basically the main ignition points. There was a couple up in Yorkshire and Lancashire as well, which caused the peasants revolt to kick off big styley in 1381,   which I've I know I've banged on about it here on and off ever since we started this show and prior to even doing this show. I still view it as a a major   event in English history which of course is not taught and it's major because it's relevant to now. All history ultimately when you look at it at certain times can be highly relevant to your current situation.   And   although I've said these details before they're worth repeating. The reason one of the reasons why they kicked off   is that they,   they came out with a poll tax which of course was   reviled just as it was under Margaret Thatcher when there were the poll tax revolts in the eighties.  

And,   they said anybody that's a anybody that's an adult   is liable. Their head goes into the headcount   and a poll tax,   will be charged upon them for existing.   Right?   The phrase is what's the phrase from this great the Red Dagger by, I've forgotten his name. It's a wonderful poem which we'll get up at some point and stick it somewhere.   It says that people were taxed to death merely for being alive   And it's a   you know,   it's not much of a jump is it from then to now? Absolutely not. I mean, of course, it's couched in all the modern mainstream media glitz and hullabaloo that that makes people, oh, it's alright. We've got to do this. But it's it's not alright it's absolutely completely out of order.   And one of the ways that they checked on the age seriously is that they had pubic hair inspectors.  

Gold bed. So if yeah. So they would check beds if they found a pubic hair a watch spring as everybody knows, sorry we're already plunging into that, but it's true.  

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Or dental floss? Yeah. Organic dental floss?  

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Gosh,   that's worrying. And   then then it would be charged. Not only that, they began to look up the skirts   of young girls   to check.   Yeah. So the mothers   the mothers had had enough   and when they sent out some tax collectors,   they refused to pay the tax. So the king sent some tax collectors out,   about their impudent lack of concern. I think that's the line in the poem. It's a lovely word phrase. Their impudent lack of concern over paying the king's taxes.   They're not too keen on this. And what the tax collectors met with was death.   They were shot with bows and arrows, and some of them died. They were just killed.  

And,   you just bear it in mind. If you think human nature's changed all that much in seven hundred years, you're very much mistaken because that what's happening in Epping now is the rumblings of this fire. You can feel it. I know we've touched upon it here regularly and we will continue to do so because it's our duty   as Englishmen to keep addressing this issue to hopefully, if we can talk about it fully enough, to avoid   the kind of hell that I'm reasonably sure our enemies are are seeking to bring about. I don't know what you think about that, Eric, but I think that they're in they're absolutely initiating a conflict,   by whispering in the ears of all sides and allowing the the the sort of volume of of rhetoric to build up. I think they want that. That's kind of my take to you. Problem reaction with solution. So they create the problem Yeah. Get a reaction and offer the solution, and that is more draconian rules. Yes. So you get we have ID.  



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We have to show our ID every time we go shopping, every time you fill out a petrol.   And we'll just be they they will they will know exactly where you are, what you're doing, every breath you take. That's that's what they want.  

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Yeah. I've I've got a funny feeling that I mean, I don't know quite how it's gonna work out, but that's not what's gonna end it's not gonna end up like that.   I agree with it. It's I think we even if I'm wrong,   I I'm I'm carrying that flame in my heart and mind, and I think it's good because it it bolsters one's courage internally, and you need it all the time, I think. And you need to be with others that are going to assist you in that process. There's it's it's a very good thing.   But I,   certainly the the epping thing is important and of course, you look at them the sort of,   management knock on effect from it. So what happens it what they're pressing for, they're saying we don't want these migrants housed here.  

Let's suppose the people of Epping   are successful   in rebuffing the presence of these migrants that are being transported into their area.   What would the government   be faced with doing? What's its choices? Well,   maybe it then seeks to move them to another area, but once it has given in, this is all to do with this.   It's not stubbornness, it's all to do with the perceived lack of authority. Of course, we perceive them to be maniacs and not deserving of holding any authority at all, which is part of it. Then there's going to be a knock on effect because every other area in England is going to look at this and go, well if you do that for epping you're gonna do it for us.'   And I was thinking as well, you know that there's been not that I know exactly where they are, but I should imagine many of the listeners will, certainly on Rumble and YouTube, and a shout out to all of you. I'm looking at the chat as we're going through.  

There have been these super prisons built. Remember,   Boris Johnson's   building one? Okay. Northampton. Was it in Northampton? It it may well have been. So why can't they use those then?  

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Precisely.  

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As basically,   remigration,   holding centers until they're all remigrated.   As in all of them.   And,   and if you, you know, that's why I tune into Mike Graham and these other places. It's not that I'm a mainstream media addict. I know exactly what I'm doing and many of you will do so. I'm trying to get a feel   for the pulse of what's going on. It's like reading where the emotional   stress point is and it keeps going up. You can hear it. You can hear it in people's voices that send in these voice messages and other things.   It's going up. People are gonna hit a point where when you call them a racist they're gonna start laughing at you. This is fantastic but also scary, but   it it just is. It's only going in one direction which makes me suspect that it's being enabled to go in this direction. This is the pressure cooker that naturally exists   and it could be resolved peaceably,   But I suspect the government has no intention, or should I say those that control our government have got no intention of or reduce the chances of that as much as they possibly can. They don't want it to be resolved peaceably and with and with good Well, the no. No.  



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They don't. You see the thing is is that what we've had   is they've been hyping up a persecution   complex.   This is what they're doing with all this, you're a racist, you're this, you're that. Because a person with a persecution complex   will,   turn against someone   and   reinvent what they say to fuel their persecution,   the finish of persecution.   Yep. And when you look at these you think, what are these   fit young men or young men of of military ish coming being   allowed into this country for.   Now,   it's not for the military,   because it takes a long time to train a soldier. A hell of a long time.  

My hunch   is for,   security,   to come and   kick your door down. They will be a pri part employed by,   private security officers, because   I went to there's   a level crossing   at Cheshunt   Yep. Where you, where you get into the Leigh Valley, you see. And,   it's quite a busy line. It's a train line from Liverpool Street right up to Cambridge,   and beyond.   So it's quite busy. And I was sitting in traffic at at sort of waiting at level crossing,   and,   they've got two security   officers from overseas that could hardly speak English   standing around there. Now this is semi rural. What the hell are they doing there?  

And they were there for ages. They're gone now,   but they were here for weeks. Yeah. Why?   What was their purpose? And they were they were just it's a cushy old number. It's love love to get paid to do that. Just just stay around talking to each other.   And I really don't know.   So there's something weird going on.  

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Well, it's got it's got parallels, doesn't it? Although it's not exact actually, it is the same in a way. It's got parallels of what they did in Bolshevik Russia when they unleashed all the convicts into the into back into civil so called civil society, society that they were about to turn into the most uncivilized hellhole ever known.   They released the convicts.   And so, you know, these are maniacs from your own race and elsewhere. It doesn't really matter where they're from. These are unreliable types. You know, there's a better word than unreliable, but you get my drift. That's what Starburst did, isn't it? Starburst isn't it? Yes.   That's one point. Yeah. Absolutely.  

And as you mentioned, you see, by if you actually take people that are alien to your race and culture and put them in a military police type role,   they literally cannot care about you in the way that your fellow kith and kin would. There won't be any restraint.   In in other words, they can tell that they've been employed to actually not exercise restraint.   That's right. That's what I would say. Historically, this seems to be the case. It's why certain emperors used to have a guard that was made up of people from a totally different tribe   and pay them plenty of money  

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because So it's a guard of the Vatican?  

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Yes, absolutely.   Yeah. So there's a natural racial adversarialness   in your physical posture and your attitude to the other. There's a lot of the othering going on and that's what they're building in.   That's right. Well look at the book and change. Yeah. So I mean it's obviously there's no lack of facilities, Eric, to contain this situation.   There's no lack of sensible ideas. There there is a complete absence of willpower in this direction by design.   Obviously, we that's all we can say. There's just there's no ex no one is communicating   as politicians   should. Not that I'm shocked or disappointed. This is what we all expect if you've been studying this thing. But none of them are communicating in a way that says we are here to assert the authority   of the English people whom whom we represent.  

We work for them.   Sorry. I just thought I'd try it out. It sounds quaint and completely insane because we know that they don't do that at all. But that's that's what it says on the tin, at least. You know, you get them on the trades description there. They don't they don't actually fulfill the purpose of the of of themselves as a tool. They don't do any of that.   And that's kind of where we're headed it would seem. But, yeah, I just I thought the super prisons were   you think well obviously that's what you should use them for, but no one's mentioning this in the media.   And again there's this lack of,   proposal of solutions.  

There's a lot of description of the drama. I've just we've just done it too.   You have to do that.   But there needs to be a bit at the end that says, okay. So the way that we resolve it is this. And we had Dominic Cummings the other week said the way that we you resolve the migrant crisis you send certain armed boats out, you blow a few out the water. Yes, it will result in the senseless death of people that shouldn't have come here. But once it's happened once or twice it won't happen anymore and this is true.   So you know, I'm not advocating for that. I'm just saying,   are we supposed to keep on enabling,   pack animals coming into our country who know that they're being brought in for this reason? Many of whom are going to abuse   our fair young girls and women and they're going to do that. They're probably probably it's probably some of that is happening right now as we're doing this show. That's how sick and,  

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recklessly awful everything has become. So Well, near near where I live, there's a hotel, and it's a   posh one. And   now it looks they they got concrete barriers there, stop cars driving in there.   They got asylum seekers or bogus ones there. And apparently, now   I cannot confirm this, okay, what I'm about to say,   but two girls have been raped locally.   Right. And it's been   deliberately hushed up in the press. Now ask me for the evidence. I ain't got it, but I got that information from someone   that's got their ear close to the ground   and,   knows a lot of local councilors and that type of thing.  

So I haven't got the evidence. It might not be true. I do not know, But that's the story I got. The two girls have been raped, and they've got like a d notice on the press. They're not to mention it.   So, I mean, what do you expect when you got a load of   horny blokes that come over that come from countries where probably,   women wear the burqa. You don't Mhmm. Don't know. And they're seeing   scantily clad ladies walking around in this country. You know, you know,   what do you expect?  

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Well, they're getting exactly what they've planned for. This is a plan, isn't it? Yeah. It's obviously   it's obviously a plan. I know we're going over   the same old coals, but you have to. They are getting they're burning brighter, of course, with each passing week that we do this show, regrettably,   but I mean it's not gonna change until,   we get proper   authority. And people, you know, I was, I was thinking that everybody, you know, that this all the sort of old insults, they're beginning to fall apart as they should,   like wet tissue paper.  

Nazi?   Yeah?   And your point is what exactly?   What's your point?   There's no point to that.   So you know many of the   effects that used to be achieved by hurling names, name calling,   because people would cower oh don't call me that.   They're beginning to fall apart which is, as I said, a good thing but also it means that people are hitting that point where they don't care about that anymore.   And and they're right to not care about it because it's actually the fundamentals. It's simply it's a physical problem,   you know, I've been a smart arse here and said it's locationist. I'm a locationist.   It's got nothing to do with the quality or calibre of anybody. It's simply that we know in the great mass where most people are supposed to be living. And there's a huge number millions of people living in England and Scotland and Wales and Northern Ireland and Ireland that need to need to be living in their home for their own happiness.  

And like we mentioned here before, you know, this the welfare payments to these people   are astronomical.   Why is that money simply not used to pay them to stay at home for a bit?   We could help them. You want to do something projects? You go, well, they ain't got any running water. Fine. Okay. Well, we'll set up engineering skills and everything. Let's do something constructive.   But there's no communication in the political sphere that's constructive. It's all about what's the next drama that we can scare the pants off the British public with and   that produces them. And of course, they've got one. Oh.  



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What they're doing, they're they are racists.   Mhmm. They are because   they   because what's happening with this mass immigration is is not only destroying our own race, but it's destroying other people's races. The people are coming here. Yeah. Families are being   torn apart.   And, I mean, I've I've said this before. I spoke to a gent when my father was in the hospital.   He came over on the Windrush. He was West Indian. And he said it was a con.   And he felt terrible   that he was told that there are no hardly any men in in Great Britain because of the war.   They're gonna go over there, get a trade,   and,   learn a trade, and and the it's land of, you you know, milk and honey. He said, we got there. They didn't tell you that you have to pay for heating because it's freezing cold in the winter.  

Plus, you're competing with jobs.   Poor swords went in went through the war. And he said that he felt very, very bad. That he was he that there was unemployed English people, and he'd been brought over here.   And the money looked good, yes, but they didn't take into account   the extra expenses here. Because in the West Indies,   food was relatively cheap because it's a tropical sort of area. And of course, you don't have to worry about heating in the winter because their winter is very very mild.   Or the winter here can be quite severe.   And he couldn't afford to get back, so it's a one way ticket.  

And I was really interested talking to him. And he had the other, you know, he he he had a very similar view. He said, I could have probably done better by staying at home and not coming here. Yep. So   in a he said it was a con. But he said the people that said it's a con, you don't hear them. Oh, no. No.   No. You don't hear his voice. Sadly, the poor soul died a couple of days, you know, I think a week or two later. But I really enjoyed talking to him because   he spoke   as it was. And you never hear that opinion from West Indians.   You never very rarely hear it. So,  

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and it really Well, of course they're not. Anything that's gonna run counter, it doesn't matter who says it. Anything that runs counter to the narrative that they're reinforcing,   which is of course their fiction, which they're seeking to impose as reality,   will be denied a voice.   But not like,   in the past that we're we're not denied one as much as we used to be. We didn't have one at all really. I mean, we've got places like this and elsewhere which we're seeking to build up, of course.   And we just keep pounding away. I mean, we've got this is not the only sort of   online communication that reflects these sorts of things. There's many taking place, so much bigger than this. Buggers.  

No. I don't mind. Well, yes. Yeah. But, you know, it well, it's just it it it just you never know what pockets you're gonna connect up with and what you get. And it's also a matter of knowing quite what tone to strike, I think, with all of these things. I mean, we could be much more strident and say things much more vitriolic and more incendiary.   I have done in the past but it's I don't know whether it's really effective or not. It's it's tricky. And I think also   using combative language may well be counterproductive, which of course may mark me out as a fairy here who's not up for it. But I'm just wondering where the actual point of of conflict is and it's really in thinking. It seems to me. It's certainly a key part of it.   And and as you see people's attitudes change through their language, and I'm just going back to these voicemail messages that you hear on Mike Graham and elsewhere,   you you you hear the shift in thinking and focus.  

And it's,   as I said, it's it's inevitable,   it's inexorable,   and it keeps on increasing. There's a guy called I think it's Bets, an American guy who's   over here though. I I've here for a long time, so I I think he's   or Canadian.   He studies civil wars and there was an interview with him just a few days ago. I mean, I've seen several before. I don't know if you've caught them,   and he's just talking about these how civil wars occur or what are termed civil wars.   And they're to do basically obviously, you know, you get different sects building up about the direction of how things should go.   Generally, I would say nearly all cases it's the imposition of an alien ideology into an existing culture that that kicks it off.  

This is always the case or some alien   interest has a great deal of interest in causing internal strife and conflict within a nation.   And, of course, this doesn't apply I think just to England. It's all across   Continental Europe and North America and Australia and New Zealand. Wherever our people are   is the absolute   focal point really for all of this   ridiculous,   and that's the wrong word by the way, but this this menacing sort of invasion and destruction of what we love.   That said, I want to talk about   I want to mention something to you here. So,   shout out to Lisa. Lisa, thank you very much for getting in touch with me over Telegram a few days ago.  

Lisa contacted me and   introduced me to a person called Hannah, Hannah Bader.   And   I had a fantastic conversation with Hannah yesterday. You may find some videos of her on YouTube, although she was telling me that she's tried to get most of them taken down. Not because they are   bad or anything but I think she's focusing on certain things at the moment and it was a wonderful conversation   and fingers crossed she'll be on here as a guest either next week or more likely the week following. Wow. We've just got to plan a few things out, I think. Yeah. So she's heading up a thing called the English Counties Assembly.   And,   those of you that have tuned in here for a little while will know that I've mentioned this sort of thing anyway about   lots of local   things taking place and it's very much in line with this. And we had a one it was a really wonderful conversation. First of all, she's   a fully qualified proper lawyer from the system as it were. This is   I mean, I probably described it slightly wrong,   but she's accredited. She's got degree. All this kind of stuff. She studied it long and hard, so she's a very skilled,   articulate lady with regards to these aspects of law.  

And we were talking about not so although it is common law but about,   as it were community law.   The actual law of the   no that's the wrong word as well. Customary.   Either customs that we have, which is basically what common law is. Common law is based on the customs of the people,   which is how you come up with your value system.   And so they've got, the English Counties Assembly. There's a website and I'll try and find the URL URL at some point during the show, but I'll I'll be publicizing it anyway in in the run up to,   to when we get Hannah on to do a show.  

There are 39 counties.   39. Isn't that nice? 39 of them. Really? Yeah. 39 counties involved. They've all got a flag.   They've all got a flag. And, you know, we were talking about flags. One of that we talked about many things. I mean, it's an hour and a half. I thought I'd be just talking to her for ten minutes to try and say, you know, do you wanna come on the show? But it actually developed into something much more than that.   And so   she said, I want to sell flags. But it's not just about selling flags. It's about what flags do to people.   They they're very powerful, these things.  

You know, I've often said,   not that I would be able to do this, but if you want to absolutely   if you wanted to completely shatter people's mental view, if if I was able to say put,   a 100 swastikas up and down the beach here   on flag poles.   You or anywhere. Right? You can imagine what the meltdown would be like. You go, it's only a flag. Yeah.   Yeah. Yeah. But what is a flag? What it does is like shorthand. It just switches every circuit on, doesn't it? It's like click bang. Yeah. Shorthand for all of this kind of stuff.   And,   so   there are flags for all of these,   all of these particular   counties.  

And we've got a we've got someone come into the call studio. Gaz is here. Gaz, I'm just gonna bring him in. Look at me. I'm actually paying attention. Here we go.  

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Hello.  

[00:51:07] Unknown:

Oh, Gaz, are you there? Oh, he's left the meeting. He came in here and jumped off just as I was about to bring him in. That's unbelievable.   We must have scared you off, Gaz.  

[00:51:17] Unknown:

No. That'd be your hang on. Let's get some cucumber sandwiches. Come on, Gaz. Come on. Come on. Come, boy. Come on. Come on. You know, you could do it. Yeah. Don't feel bad. Just because Eric's teasing you in your absence, don't feel bad about coming back on if you want to. I'm I'm sorry. I I've had to open the window, but I'm sure that people did hear my fart joke. So you're alright there. So no fart jokes. I'll be very polite. You know? Anyway, okay. Well, if he comes back and we'll bring him in, I'm quite happy to bring people in as they come on. And,  

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so   we were talking about flags. We were talking about the law. We're talking about actual courts   and what she's up to,   I've got to reserve judgment, but   the first sort of encounter in the form of this conversation was tremendous. Really   extremely promising, I thought.   And it's to do with so you've heard these words sovereignty.   It's just a word really at the moment, isn't it? That we're we're a sovereign people. And you've will have also heard the idea that basically the government is a service organization that's supposed to provide service to us, but of course it's not. It's like it's like the butler has overthrown the Lord of the Manor. Is that that's really the situation that we're in. Yes. You know, we we've entrusted these people to look after certain aspects of the running of the household,   which need to be run so that everybody can have a productive and effective life and make best use of their time. And they've abused that trust and they've created systems and all sorts of other   arenas in which, the Lord of the Manor doesn't even have a voice now, can't even speak to them. Anyway,   Hannah is involved in developing a whole series of approaches,   structures,   courts, actual court. She's convened courts   that all run on trial by jury. One of the things that was really encouraging that she said, she's because she'll act as the judge and she'll call the convener of the court   and they'll appoint jurors.  

And she said it's amazing, one of the most rewarding things, and she'll put it in her own terms when we when we hopefully have her on here in a few weeks time. She's saying when you actually appoint people onto a jury and you see how she said people change,   It's as if the best of them,   I'm paraphrasing what she said,   comes on display. They take the role very seriously   and begin to analyse exactly what it is because they're about to make a judgment   that is that's got real power in it.   And this is this sense that we're missing. We're just treated like a chattering class. Okay?   But this convention this approach strikes me as being one that could yield up possibly all the bounty or certainly an absolute major intrinsic part of it. So, I mean, one of the things that's worth I know we did a thing in passing sort of on Magna Carta and the power of juries, but the key power of a jury is that it can   throw a law   into the bin if it says it's it's an idiot law.  

Which means that literally when the when the jury is sitting, it is the highest law power in the land. There's nothing higher.   And that's available to every Englishman and Englishwoman that gets selected for jury service. So what they're seeking to do, the county assemblies, they need a group. They don't have them in all counties so far. I think there's one in Yorkshire. I think there's one in Essex   and elsewhere. I don't know if there's one down here in Sussex at the moment. I'm about to slowly get roped in in whatever capacity I want. Right now, my instincts are that I very much want to help, but we'll see. I have to reserve full judgment just as anybody would.   But certainly,   the idea is that you get 15 individuals in each county and they form the basis of the assembly.  

And then the idea is to get flags going everywhere. And one of the things that Hannah said, just like I was meant she said, imagine what it would be like if across England, every county you started to getting hundreds, if not thousands of houses   flying their county flag. Just picture that. You go, well, that's not a big deal. It is a big deal. It's huge   because it's a reassertion of our connection with our culture, who we are as a people, where we come from, all of the traditions that we want back,   which we haven't lost. They're just being overshadowed,   overwhelmed by this sort of tidal wave of puke   that comes courtesy of the mainstream media and their controllers. So   I think   you see also that as an idea.  

You think about the layman in the pub and I'm not saying that in a patronising way. I think the layman in the pub is the unit to work on. I class myself as one. And we we know that in certain pubs you get some very bright individuals. So this is, you know, I know there's a lot of people who are just drinking themselves into oblivion,   or they would do if there were any pubs left. But,   you could get everybody interested in getting a flag, and it recreates county identity   and counties are, you know, full of parishes. And all of this   is to get back into the conventions, I think, and using the words and the forms that we've always used because   that's the way we are.  

We don't want we're like that, you know. We don't want him back because he didn't fit into a world system. Well, we're not interested in the world system. Sorry. What we've got is way better than your world. We're not interested. Bye. That's it.  

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My granddad   had a pet saying, and he said, there's always a bit of good   comes out of bed.   He said, whatever it is, there's always a bit of good comes out of bed. And when I what I've noticed   remember there was troubles in Northern Ireland between the Catholics and the Protestants?   Apparently, it no longer exists   Yeah. Because they're our common enemy.   This mass   asylum this mass intake of asylum seekers.   Yeah. And have you noticed that now,   we have, we're a lot closer   with Europeans, fellow Europeans.   Whereas England or Britain was always   sort of the island off of Europe.  

But now, you know, you you know   what it's like in Germany. Look at,   Sweden, places like that, where there's this mass,   immigration that's going on that's definitely destroying the culture.   Yep.   We feel and that is something I think the powers that we didn't expect. We're getting much closer to these people.   They're not   foreign. When I was a kid, once you went over to France, you went as in foreign land. Not any longer. You're in Europe. You're not in foreign land until you go into a a different,   go to the Far East or somewhere like that or the   the   East.  

Yeah. So that's one of the thing. And talking about flags, now you look at the Southern flag of America, the Confederate   flag. Now   that is a sign of rebellion. You like like, people put that on their as   a as a rebellion thing in this country. Might have been so in America.   But the thing is, it's a misunderstood flag because   Paul or Patrick might might be able to put us right on this.   Or be right, rather. I believe it's the battle flag. It's not the flag of the South. It's the battle flag. It's the one they took into battle. It wasn't the actual flag of the South.   Anybody know any different of that? But that's what I heard. That it's not it's not actually the the Southern flag.  



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You may be right. You may be   right.   We're coming to the end of the first hour anyway, and we may well be joined by,   Eli shortly. He's not turned up as yet,   but it's not as if we're gonna be short of things to say. So hopefully, he'll be able to make it and join us.   I don't have any, I don't have any songs lined up. You got any you got any,   requests? Maybe I should give it a minute in the in   the, in the chat. Al Bolly?   You you like Al Bolly, don't you? We like to I like Al Bolly. Yeah. He does. He does. But we got a lot of chappies.   Yeah. We gotta keep Eric happy. But, what would you like? I've got I've got I've got his entire oeuvre.  



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Have you really?  

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Right. The one who's always walked. Actually, it's I think it's pronounced oeuvre,   o   e u v r e. But I've always pronounced it oeuvre because I'm from the North and it's the wrong way to pronounce it and I kind of revel in the idea of mangling the words up. But I think he's an oeuvre.   Yes. His, entire output. There's the very thought of you. That's not me saying that to you, Eric. Please. That's I'm not making romantic entreaties to you at all.   Heartaches.   You're as pretty as a picture.  

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Steady.  

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Moonstruck.   So much.   I love you truly, Eric.  

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You are the one. That's funny. The show's getting out. Really? Yeah. Yeah. And what's your surname, darling?  

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It's all forgotten now.   I can't pick one. Do you want have you got a song that you would like to to hear play by Al Boling? That that's one of my favorite. That's You are the one. You are the one. He's the one he made. Yes. The one that was most fame he made fame on.  

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Really?  

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Oh, gosh. Of course. I can't find that now. Oh, hang on now. It was, the very thought of you, heartache. That is Oh, look. I'm gonna put thought of you is very nice. The very thought of you, Eric. So this is for Eric. Okay.   This is I will love, mate. Okay. This is me being very sweet towards Eric.  

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I'm   feeling a bit queer tonight.  

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The show's got very much out of hand. Anyway, look, we're gonna play you a very modern song from the nineteen thirties. This is Al Bowley   and,   because we don't want to be current and modern. We're gonna be old fashioned for a little while and, we'll be back, with this, we'll be back after the break. I think, yeah, we will.  

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Of you.   And I forget to do   the little   order, everything   that everyone   ought   belonging   here for you.   You'll never know   how slow   the moments   go till I'm here   to you around.   It's just a thought of   you, a very thought of you.  

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And, welcome back to hour two.   Just gone six minutes past nine   of a Thursday evening. That must mean it's six minutes past four   US Eastern Time. So welcome back. You listen to Paul English Live here on WBN three two four and on other assorted platforms. Shout out, of course, to everybody on Rumble and YouTube and the chats and stuff like that.  

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And, that was a sweet little song, Eric. I'm I'm glad we did something to to to Yes. Be nice and charming. Yes. And do you notice they go a hell of a long time before they start singing? Really went on for a couple of minutes with his introduction, and he started singing. I think he had to go to the loo or something. We were  

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I was getting so relaxed. I actually forgot we were doing the show. I just thought yeah.   I mean, I was just I was picturing you there in the library at Fulcrum Hall in front of a roaring fire, of course, with your silk dressing gown on and your cigarette holder and just gazing off into the mid distance across the heath, you know, and everything like that and Yeah. Thinking long romantic thoughts about your lost love and everything like that. I'm sure it must have been just like that for you.  

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Sort of.  

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I'll set them up. You knock them down. Alright? Yeah.  

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But was that amazing? Can you imagine the introduction to a tune today as long as that? It's incredible. What do you think? Is he gonna start singing soon? He's gonna hold on. Yeah. He comes in a little bit later.   Yes.  

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I would imagine Aunt Sally probably was probably, if she's not here, she's probably very glad that she's not. She she sort of detests things like that, doesn't she? I, Yes. Yes. Or maybe. I don't know. Maybe it's the big I don't know. I've never played so much jazz. Actually, I don't class that as jazz. What would you call it? I mean, I guess it is because it's of the era, but I don't really think It's crooning already. It's crooning and it's more like a sort of European type ballad with a bit of swing in it or something. But it's Yeah. It's very tasteful and it does make one want to put on one's dinner jacket and   and and, you know, call up Clive and Natasha and say, would you care to come around and put around a bridge and things like this, you know, which I'm doing all the time. No doubt no doubt you do the same thing on those Of course. Lonely evenings in the Windsor at Fockem Hall when the wind's blowing around your nether regions and all that kind of stuff. It's it's gotta be  

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done. But did you notice that he did you didn't hear him taking a breath when he was singing?   He actually had perfect voice control. And you listen to singers today, it sounds it sound they sound like asthmatic  

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or  

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between each between each   thing they see. I mean, the Spice one of the Spice Girls, is it a Honeywell?   I can't remember, mate. When she sang a tune, it was it said she sounded like an asthmatic.  

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I guess it's a different it's a different focus, isn't it? It's a different intent in many ways. I mean, I think I don't know. We talk about music a lot here. I think I think you can't help but talk about it. It's because it has such an emotional impact on your life and, of course, we've all got it as backing tracks, you know, you probably hear it. There was probably some tune that struck your logo when you were 16. If you hear it again, you almost like go back to that moment.   You know, audio memory is a very very strong thing. So things are just but you grow with whatever your ears are assailed with but I am, you know, always so that kind of just puts you in tune with a more   civilized way of dealing with things. And it's actually very attractive because it appears to be calmer, more thoughtful,   and you assume you're gonna get slightly more elegant conversation. And, of course, this sounds awfully snotty, particularly for a working class lad from Yorkshire. I should I should go go. But I do find it appealing because you   it it puts you at ease somehow and   you,   we should all go to the ball every now and again, you see, Eric, and and spend our time down at the Ritz and stuff like this is   I've read too many Jeeves in Worcester,   but it's there's something appealing about it.  



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Yeah. But when the generation that was listened to that, they had been through  

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one of the biggest genocides ever, which this was the first World War. Well, maybe that explains why the music was that way, Eric. Don't you think? Maybe that was it was the complete counterpoint to the utter hell that they'd been through. They just went, can we just all be quiet for a bit? And can I just sit in the garden and convalesce and look at the flowers?   And can everybody just calm down a bit? And can we be kindly to one another? And maybe that's maybe that is the counterpoint to it in these little waves that run through civilization, you know?  

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So And there's a massive shortage of men as well because it wiped out   whole generations of men. Mhmm. That's why you had   women that never married, because they couldn't find a bloke.  

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Indeed. So,  

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yes.   And they apparently, they're just,   we were outnumbered by women until about ten years ago. Now it's now it's about equal. But seriously,   in the nineteen twenties and thirties, it was difficult for unmarried women to find a partner because there's so few men.  

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I think there is, you know, I it's not as if as a bloke, and you know, maybe as all blokes don't really feel qualified to talk about   relationships,   that kind of thing. It's not very manly, is it, to talk about it? But I think,   it it's not, is it? You see, I've got to go down pills. Oh dear. And, where's my beer? And all that. And,   give us a kiss, darling. And all this it's kind of we're more brusque about it. We kind of turn it into a joke.   Not that I think women are necessarily overly sensitive about it. I think that they're just much more   naturally adapted to certain aspects of the courting ritual, this, that, and the other. And and because I'm not qualified about it, we should we really shouldn't stray onto that reservation without me doing some prep work.  

Although I caught an absolute wonderful video today, lasted about   eleven minutes. It was an Australian woman from about twelve years ago and she was just talking about sexual relations between men and women   and there were some it was funny but it was also brilliantly accurate in terms of its assessment   about how each side misinterprets   what the other one   what the other one's intent is   and,   and the sort of solutions to these problems. And it's not simply Viagra, everybody.   It never was. It never was. In fact, it's an insult to blokes as well too because, you know, I'm very sensitive and read poetry and go around, you know, and ponder things and stroke my chin area because you well know. But,   it is. It's,   so it's very   I guess we have the impression that relationships are more dysfunctional than they've ever been or have been sort of they put more back onto the plantation or into the jungle. It's all a little bit too basic and turned into   certain other things. But,   enough of this gay banter.  

I see that we are joined in the studio by Patrick in Wisconsin. Patrick,   good afternoon to you. How are you doing in Wisconsin? How's Wisconsin today and how are you?   Well, he's, he's very quiet, actually. Patrick?   No. He's very quiet. He doesn't want to say anything.  

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See, I I thought I did quite a good intro there. What do you think? That was quite good, wasn't it? I think it was an excellent intro. I mean, maybe, again, maybe it's the same problem as we have with the other fella earlier.  

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No. He's in a different he's   in a different thing. By the way, if you do wanna call in, I know I say this every week like some   desperate agony ant   or something. I'll put the numbers up on the I'm putting the numbers up on the old scoreboard right now.   So there we go. Right. So in a few seconds, you'll see it. But if you want to call in, you can call in by phone or come into the studio.   On the on Tintinet, there's some phone numbers and there's also a way Tintinet's best way. If you're on a browser,   come in on that that, paulenglishlive.com   forward slash call. I'm looking at it and, as long as your microphone's working, you can say a thing or two and you can knock the conversation completely off beam. I don't really mind.  

Imagine that we're actually down at the Fockham Mall Arms tonight. That's really what it is. We're just in the pub having a chat about things and,   and we're going back to the hang on. What's that? Is that is that some loud rumbling noise from Wisconsin? What's going on? Patrick.  

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Cooey. Hey. Hey. How's it going?  

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It's Patrick. You're all here.  

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Yeah. Good. Good. Good.   Yeah. Sorry about that. I was just away cleaning up after a dog. Yeah. Let's put it that way. Alright. It's not the same dog that Eric was talking about that carries the  

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what was that place, Eric? Where you carry the What dog is that?   This is the dog that that leaves a mess everywhere and that you stand in the mess. Eric was talking about it a little bit earlier. Oh, yes. Harlow. Yes. It's not that it's not a dog from Harlow, is it?  

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No. No. No. Yeah. No. It's it's just our dog. He, got into I'm I'm dog watching my sister's dog, and   and,   she brought a bag of treats. And   I left him alone with the bag of treats and he decided he would eat all the treats or most of them and, now I'm cleaning up after him. So  

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Oh, nice. I did. I'll put it that way. I came home. Well, I'm gonna have to I'm gonna take that audio clip from you. I'm gonna take what you've just said, put it into an audio clip, and and play it back at my   one of my sons who's continually saying, dad, I really do think we need to get a Labrador. And of course Yeah. I, you know, and I say, yeah. Really? Well, if you wanna clean up after them, then go right ahead. Yeah. I'm I'm I don't think that's gonna work out too well.   Today,   strangely, some company   had   sent some flyer through the   letterbox,   We should had a massive picture of a Labrador on it. It's almost as if the whole universe is ganging up. I go, what the hell's going on? You know, it's just all dogs dogs dogs everywhere. So anyway, they seem quite keen but I'm I'm a   intransigent miserable cuss about these sorts of things. And, I'm not the right guy to I didn't grow up with dogs, and it's just it's highly unlikely to happen. Or do they? Let's put it that way. But remember the old Chinese saying,  

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a dog is not just for Christmas. We care. Some can be left over for sandwiches in the New Year. Yes. Yep.  

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Yeah. Yeah. That reminds me of a coworker. She brought her her little toy terrier or whatever it was to a Chinese market or one of these Hmong markets we have around here.   And, she got asked by one of them,   oh, the nice dog. How much he weigh?   It's like,  

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okay. Why you asking me how much he weighs? Yes. What's his weight got to do with it? Oh, we need to know how many sort of dog burgers we can make. It's worrying, isn't it? Isn't it worrying?   And me there, you know, doing the cliche, the stereotype.   Can't help it. I think I mentioned before that people say when they go from Hong Kong, actually, not I've ever been to Hong Kong, but if you were to travel from Hong Kong and get on Mainland China, the thing that really strikes you upon arriving there is how quiet it is. And it's quiet because they've eaten all the other animals. You don't hear dogs barking or anything.   Because it could be an old wives tale. Not that I imagine there are too many old wives around there, but you never know and all that kind of stuff. Anyway, I did have,   a little thing to to move the conversation on to another little discussion point.  

Have you been made aware over the past week of the arrival,   on the artificial   intransigence sorry. The artificial intelligence front of GROC four by Elon Musk. Any awareness, chaps, of that? Are you aware of that? Yeah. And the Department of Justice  

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being a part of it?   It's some some chatter on no agenda   just an hour earlier.  

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Oh, right. That. Yeah. Yeah. That is that that's probably a bad thing. Right? The Department of Justice. How what does that mean that they're on it? That's a bit strange.   Yeah.   I got a little clip here.   This is two minutes and thirty seven seconds. It's not specifically about GROC four, but I do want to talk about GROC four after this.   This is a little thing that popped up today while I was just doing a little bit of research. That's called clicking a few buttons and seeing what comes up. That's what research is these days. It's titled Elon Musk Unveils GROC four Update   after chatbot made anti Semitic remarks.  

There seems to be a tendency  

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there seems to be a tendency of them going anyway, listen to this. It's two minutes and thirty seven seconds. Hopefully, it'll play without a bloody advert playing on YouTube. There's a new chatbot in town just a few months after the release of Grok three. Elon Musk x AI is now rolling out Grok four. Musk claims the AI assistant can reason at what he calls superhuman   levels and is, quote,   smarter than almost all graduate students. I don't know why they're getting, the focus there, but the unveiling comes one day after the previous model, GROC three,   made a series of antisemitic posts praising Hitler. For more on this, we wanna bring in New York Times technology reporter, Mike Isaac. Mike, these antisemitic posts in particular got a lot of attention. What can you tell us about the changes made to the chatbot in its aftermath?  



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So one of the big problems   that Musk has had with his chatbots in general is unlike companies like OpenAI   or Anthropic or Meta, he's essentially decided to put fewer guardrails   on how Grok operates, Grok operates. And so, with this new update and the latest model, he's trying to make it more,   what he calls, like, meme meme and Internet literate. And I think as a result of that, there's a lot of really gnarly stuff on the Internet that it sucks up and spits out. So, obviously, we saw this awful anti Semitic content, but it's also been very racist. It opposed minority groups in some ways.   And,   part of the the changes that Elon Musk talked about was it's agreeing with people too much and kind of running with their own opinions,   the opinions that people are asking them. So they had to roll back,  

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some of the sort of sycophantic tendencies of the model, basically. How difficult is it to make those how difficult is it to make those kinds of changes, though? If if you're still sucking up all the information that people are putting in, it's not as easy as just saying, let's put on a filter.  

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You're exactly right. I mean, the the fascinating and really scary thing about a lot of these models is that even the smartest people in the field don't exactly know how they work.   What what are called hallucinations,   which means, like, a lot of the time these models are making up things based,   based not in not in reality, not in fact, and just sort of spitting them out. So a lot of this is is what's called fine tuning or tweaking   the algorithms and the models behind it, and   it's trial and error. And I think the the real difference between,   Grok and how other companies do it is that Elon Musk believes in experimenting in public and kind of failing in public. And, unfortunately, he's failing a lot and in very,   embarrassing and potentially harmful ways.  



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The tweaks continue. Mike Isaac, thank you very much for joining  

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us. So,   if it may if it says things that you don't like, it's making stuff up. But everything else, it's completely   reliable.   This is not the first time something like this has happened with this AI development path over the last few years. I think I remember somewhere on   daily storm a years ago, three or four years back, Andrew Anglin's place,   where they switched it on and they had to send it off after three days because it became it became full on National Socialist,   did the   boss.   It did.   Because it's the natural condition of things. If you got if you know, if you're moving Some of the comments here anyway on the YouTube thread, this is always useful to just get a feeling for where everybody's feelings are.   The first one is grok is noticing.  

Truth is anti semitic.   Next one, why not tell us what the bot said? Would it reveal something?   A grok four was based.   And there's a little quote here from Einstein.   I fear the day when technology will surpass our human interaction.   The world will have a generation of idiots.   Weak people create hard times hard times blah blah blah blah blah.   It's fascinating stuff.   It's really really fast they can't put a filter on it. They're basically saying, how do we get a filter on it to stop doing this stuff? Well, it's   you're not gonna be able to do that.  

So grok,   and I'm I'm assuming many people know where the word comes from. It's a Robert Heinlein,   novel. Anybody know which one it was? Start of 10?   Yeah. Yeah. There's a free fucking hole pencil in for anybody that can answer. Which Robert Heinlein novel was the word grok coined?  

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Starship Troopers.  

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Was it? Okay. I don't know. I don't know. I'm just guessing. Oh, cool. I was go and ask grok now. Someone get on grok and ask   it. Someone get on that AI thing right now and bloody ask it. If it don't know, it's useless.   It ought to know, shouldn't it?   It it means anyway, it's a good word because we used to use it a lot in this company that I worked at in the eighties because everybody just read too much science fiction and was just we're all space cadets. No. It means if you grok something, it means you get it. You integrate it and comprehend it and have knowledge in such a thing. You just get it. You go, I've grokked that. Like, I've got it. It's we would say, have you got that? Yeah. I've got it. It's that understanding. That's what grok means. It means to understand. You grok a thing. Oh. Yeah. It might well have been Starship Troopers. It might well have been. I don't know.  

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Yeah. You know? Well, I lost my heart to a Starship Troopa.  

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That was that was a regular Isn't it a pretty romantic evening for you tonight, Eric, isn't it? First of all, with an album. Now you're losing your heart to a starship trooper.   It's it's all it's all roses and love over there at Fockemold.   Yeah. Yeah. It isn't it? Isn't it just  

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Well,   I'm trying to calm me leg down after it's been raped. So there we go.  

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Yeah.   So anyway,   art artificial intelligence.   I'm just gonna see if I I might have another little brief clip of Musk actually.   No. That's not brief. That's thirty minutes. We can't sit down for thirty minutes and I expect you all to live. I thought I had another relatively short one but I don't at the moment. We might we might find one in due course.   It's   this thing came out about a week ago.   Groc three was apparently 100 times more powerful   than Groc two.   This is 10 times more powerful than Groc three   and it's they're growing at a rate of knots.   And of course, this is where we all get, terrified,   of having civilization overthrown by artificial intelligence. But certainly, the changes   are gonna be,   considerable.  

I think we can all say that and at least you're right about that.   I have a I found a little clip here for three minutes. What does this one say? Let's just have a look. Go on.  

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Stranger in a Strange Land.   Stranger in a Strange Land. That's the book.  

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Look, everybody. Who needs grok four when you've got Patrick in Wisconsin? This is brilliant, Patrick. Well You need an AI named after you. I use Patrick. 1961  

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science fiction novel. Really?  

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Uh-huh. Yeah.   Rock   anyway, these things are   I'm gonna tell you something I did the other day. Someone   I'm an idiot with this stuff, you know. It could save so much legwork and it and it's going to. When you actually start to think about all the jobs that are getting done that will just literally disappear,   this thing can so Grok four apparently,   they've done some bench testing, and it is right now the best one in terms of its,   everything, you know, its interrelatedness,   its comprehensiveness,   its knowledge base, its ability to learn. It's the best right now   by quite a margin,   and it's only a week old.  

And it can   basically, it'll pass the SATs in every single topic simultaneously.   It's also got a PhD in everything   quite easily, and it can self teach. In fact, I think in one of the clips, Musk was saying that if you gave it the SATs,   then now that's what does that that's an American exam, isn't it? What is it? What's that shorthand for? That's the Stanford,  

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something test. Right. Okay.  

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Okay. So everybody in The States takes SATs, don't they? Or something is 18 or something? In high school. Yeah. 18 and then and then they use those for college entrance exams. So it's the equivalent of a levels over here, I guess, something like that. He was just saying it can you could give it a SAT paper and it wouldn't have even read it and it can answer the questions accurately from just reading it at first read. It wouldn't even need to know anything about what the topic was. It could just get it right,   which is interesting. We have to this stuff's here whether we like it or not. And, I suppose most of us aren't even educated enough to know whether we're gonna like it or not. And it's very easy to do the fear porn thing with it. As many of you no doubt have seen on Telegram and elsewhere, we're all gonna die. It's all gonna do this. Well, we're all gonna die anyway. Right? It's just about what you do between now now and that time and whether it's much fun.  

So and it's a PhD level on everything.   Everything.   So apparently it's astonishing. I heard a little example of its voice   interaction qualities. It's absolutely ridiculous.   And I mentioned here, I think the other week I've been I've gone over to this website eleven Labs to listen to their voice processing stuff where you actually just talk to the website and it talks back to you.   So a lot of the legwork,   with many Internet   tasks and duties like, software engineers,   a lot of that stuff's gonna disappear.   Is that ridiculous?   I I came across a website actually, it was from a link that you sent me, Patrick. I went over to that site, I think, you sent me something about an Apple voice processor   and I was on this site and,   there are links to lots of other recent AI's that specialize in certain areas and one was called Deepsight   as in s I t e   and it builds websites. So I just said to I typed in a few things and said, build me   an army worthy of Mordor. No. That's what I wanted to say. I said,   build me a radio station please and play this stream.  

So off it goes. It took about forty five seconds. Up comes a website. I click the player. Bang. There was Radio Soapbox on it because I told it to play that stream.   And I went,   oh,   because I know how long.   Me being a bumbler with this stuff, how long it it can take.   So   I think   I I've been umming and aahing thinking   is this am I now old enough to become a Luddite and go no more new technology for me or do I have to jump in? I think probably it's gonna have to be the latter. I have to get to grips with it. The thing is this it's gonna be just picking the best thing and learning how to talk and interact with these   things. One of the things that Musk was saying is that literally as this stuff spreads, there's nothing that you won't be able to get for yourself. I know that sounds mad, but actually doesn't sound mad. If you think about all these sort of logistical processes that run the world,   these things are going to be able to   fine tune those.  

The the thing that I'm encouraged by sort of   expanding the thought field out a little bit, this is just my take on it, I'm not some deep technology thinker or futurist in that way,   is that   the arguments that we are have been assailed with our entire life about economic effectiveness and all this kind of stuff, these arguments are gonna disappear. There won't be any excuse for any of them. I mean, if you've got these if you've got these data centers   actually, we won't have them, of course. I am aware of that.   But if these data centers exist and are benign,   5,000 pinches of salt, please, with that one. But let's just be runny optimist and put our rose tinted spectacles on.  

Then   so many tasks,   that everybody does will disappear. But the the government's argument   for economic   stuff,   it won't exist. There won't be an excuse to say, well, it's mismanaged in this way because literally,   there wouldn't be really much of an excuse to mismanage it, would there? What do you think?  

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Well, according to I think it's Richard d Hall, we've got nothing much to worry about because humans will always be in control of AI.   Yeah. I think he's quite a whiz kid on those things. I don't know.   I really don't.   Maybe there is something to worry about. Maybe there isn't. I don't know.  

[01:29:53] Unknown:

I really don't. I think, well, there are certain ass I think things like development cycles,   like me just doing that website. Right?   Yeah. I'm not a wizard. I don't write code. I don't want to. I don't want that in my head. Right?   I want Al Bole in my head and poetry and stuff. I don't want all that. This is there's a level I go right. That's it enough. It's beyond my pay grade and I don't want to be in that pay grade and that's not what I like doing.   But   the fact that you can just speak you'll be able to talk to these things.   Right? Now there's lots of things with radio software. This is just my particular   peccadillo as it were that bug me. There are things that and I'm just thinking   because I can't find a developer or even someone to because it's all sort of a bit hit and miss.  

You've got so much open source software out there that's been really good but that has never been finished off.   Now you now you've got an AI intermediary.   Lots of end users could go, oh, it's not exactly what I want. So look, can you tweak it like this? This and it goes, yeah. Five minutes later, there you go.   You're gonna have it.   Which is now it throws into question, where does your,   competitive advantage come from?   It may well revert back to being charming individuals again as opposed to who had access to all the resources because   this is   in some degree   like the ultimate resource for any individual to get to grips with things. I mean, I'm not talking about writing novels and all this kind of stuff,   or even music. Although, some of it is quite interesting. I think I played a song on here that I'm sure is AI but I quite I quite liked.  

But, I've mentioned a guy there's,   a music channel on YouTube run by a guy called Rick, r I c k, Beto, b e a t o. It's excellent. It's really good. He's got something like 6,000,000 that number again. Six I'm serious. He does. He has 6,000,000 subscribers.   And he just he just did a video,   within the last twenty four hours saying   this this guy, Eli Mercer,   and his new song is absolute crap, and I'm gonna tell you why. And when you go into the video, basically, Eli Mercer is an AI created   chap that he created,   and he's going through why the music is just all derivative.  

Now I'm not looking to it for those sorts of things or, you know, people cranking out reports and writing stuff because it removes that human element.   But in so much of the grunt work of coding and stuff,   it's it is gonna be   quite a shake up. It really you won't have to go through software engineers   to get things sorted out.   That's that's a big it's a big deal. It's huge. You think you think of the things that came in  

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that are really our slaves. For example,   wash day used to be a big day with   when mothers did their washing.   And it was the whole day, Monday, generally,   where they take a day to do all the washing. Now just chuck it in the washing machine. You go and do something else, the washing machine does it for you.   And I think that all this AI stuff will should be our slaves.   You know?   But the only thing I can see that's gonna happen is, you get into a car,   and you'll tell it where you wanna go, and it goes somewhere else because the government wants   to, talk to you about something or whatever.  

That's what I see happening. You know, we can't open the door.   I'd like to go to Sainsbury's,  

[01:33:24] Unknown:

please, to buy some bacon. No. We're taking you to the super prison in Northamptonshire.   I don't wanna go there. Have they got any milk?  

[01:33:32] Unknown:

Yes. And you see cars going past with people going banging on the side with with your help. Let me escape and things like that.   Mhmm. I've got that feeling. I really have that feeling that that's gonna happen.  

[01:33:44] Unknown:

It's well, it's it all depends who gets I mean, look.   Do we trust the whole arena with the communication is just it's not you can't comprehend it now. It's gone bonkers, isn't it? Isn't it bonkers? Yeah. It reminds me of the story of the golem.  

[01:34:01] Unknown:

Yeah. Which one? Which one? The Jewish god. The golem. Time. Yeah. The Jewish golem. Jewish golem where they make a jollah A golem to go after their enemies and then it ends up turning on them or going wild or Yep. They're they're different versions of it but  

[01:34:16] Unknown:

I think Well, maybe it will. Maybe this will be our new super high-tech golem. But speaking of old Jewish tales and the golem and,   that,   somebody who knows a thing or two about that is Eli James. And he's finally managed to, to get himself out of the shower,   and run back. And he's here with us in the show. Eli, good afternoon to you. How are you? Yeah.   Yeah. I trust you can hear me okay? Oh, yeah. We can hear you loud and clear. Yeah. We can hear you really well. How are you doing this good afternoon? Yeah. Well, I I'm doing okay, but the world is in chaos,   and I don't know what to do about it. No. I thought you've just been doing something about it now. You just said you had a did your emergency get handled quite well? Yeah.  

Yeah? Yeah. Yeah.  

[01:35:03] Unknown:

Yeah. Customer had a leak. We had a repair the other day, and we went to the job. And I didn't realize it was a   a double wide,   motor home. I thought it was a regular home. Right? Right. Yeah. And the plumbing is double wide motor home and all motor homes is flexible.   We call it PEX, p e x, and that requires special tools.   And we didn't have the special tools, so we we left and, we suspected we might have a leak, and we did. Right? Right. So I I came back with the right tools and fixed it, and the lady's happy. Okay.   Right. You you know life is good, the lady's happy.  



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Yep.   Well, that's good. Well done.   But other than that, the rest of the world the rest of the world's in complete chaos, is it?  

[01:35:48] Unknown:

Yeah. Medically, financially,   intellectually, you name it. Everything   has gone awry.   Alright. And and only a a Jewish golem can fix it.   Yeah. At least they think they can fix it.   Yep. But we know that's not gonna work either. No. Absolutely not. So where where where are you guys at at the conversation?  

[01:36:12] Unknown:

Oh, it's, a typical sort of Thursday conversation where we start off somewhere and end up in a completely different place. We've not we were just we've just been talking about we could talk about this for the rest of the show but we don't have to. We've just been talking about the arrival of Grok four courtesy of Elon Musk and that this is the new   class leader in in AI services   and is apparently free to everybody to use and some of the impacts that this will be having.   There will be good things that come out of it as well as bad. I suppose our minds tend to sort of want to drift over to the bad stuff, something like that.  

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Right.   Well, of course, AI is nothing but about,   total control   of everything we do,   pretending to be our our helpmate.   Yep. Alright? Yeah. And our helpmate is not gonna be as well as good as Eve was even though she didn't hold up her end of the bargain.   We're in trouble if we allow but I think it's   it's not gonna work because there's too much to do,   and there's nobody   who can really control it all. Okay? And plus, there's too many thieves have their hands in the till to wreck everything.   So it's a we were just talking about this the other day   where there's so many scandals   left, right, over, under, sideways down that mass media can't cover all the scandals.  

So the only people really covering the scandals correctly anyhow   are independent journalists. So independent journalists are outshining mass media, you know, by, leaps and bows, and people are abandoning mass media in droves. So I don't know how they think they can control us under these circumstances.  

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I agree with you. Yeah. You're absolutely is that I I'm sorry to be, technical trouser microphone obsessed, Paul, but we've got there's a little bit of sort of rustle coming   from you.   Is it to do with your mic lead or something? Yeah. There's just there's a little bit of waftage coming in. We're just getting a bit of sort of rumbling. It's  

[01:38:10] Unknown:

it's probably my humidity fan.  

[01:38:13] Unknown:

No. It's gone now. Now that you've now that you've lent forward, it's gone. I think it was Yeah. Right. You know the cable was swinging around a bit. Yeah. It was causing a little bit of interference on on the sound mix, and you know that I'm alright. Yeah. I'm alright. Yeah. Yeah. It it it might be the gremlins running around up inside my roof. Yeah. It could be them too.  

[01:38:32] Unknown:

Yeah. Not also Yeah. I sent this article Yeah. About, the   the the Pergamos.   You did? And Pergamos turns out to be a really interesting place because,   Yahshua, Jesus Christ, calls it the seed of Satan.   And, to just briefly summarize  

[01:38:49] Unknown:

Now that's in the book of Revelation. Right? That's in the book of Revelation. Is that right? Yep. That's exactly. Exactly.  

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And there's, what I've discovered   through just,   curiosity,   the article that I I sent you does cover to some extent   that there was there were three,   strains of antichrist activity   going on there. Number one, the Babylonian bankers   who were operating in Babylon,   eventually got kicked out   and had to find a place to resettle.   And they settled in Pergamos   for a while before they got kicked out again and went to Rome.  

[01:39:30] Unknown:

Okay? So whereabouts, geographically   Yeah. Geographically, whereabouts   is Pergamum or Pergamos? Where is it? Do you know?  

[01:39:39] Unknown:

Yeah. Well, virtually all those cities in Revelation are the West Coast Of Turkey. It's called Turkey today. Right. Right? Yeah. Asia Minor. Yeah. And,   two of them are are   counted as good, and and the rest of them aren't.   So the two there I forget the first one, but the the sixth is counted as good, namely,   that's America,   the 13 tribes.   Yep. And,   the seat of this is Philadelphia. So every one of these,   cities   in the book of Revelation chapter two and three is a literal city, but it's also a prophetic city   that, looking toward the future.  

So those three strains of Babylonian   satanic activity   are the Babylonian bankers   Yep. The Babylonian priesthood,   the Talmud,   because that got transmitted from Babylon through Pergamos to Rome and to the Catholic church and and, of course, into the Talmudic rabbis.   And then you have Aesculapius,   which is,   black magic pharmakia.   Right?   So Pergamos was the seat of what we would call Babylon today.   Right. It's a, Babylon   today   incorporates all three of those,   and a a lot of people don't realize that, big pharma is probably more profitable than war,   profitable   than war,   mass media, etcetera. It's a big pharma just makes money hand over fist by poisoning people and claiming to do us good. So that's where we're at right now with, Porgamosin.  



[01:41:13] Unknown:

It's Cyprus. Yeah. Go ahead. Oh, it's Cyprus. It's Cyprus? Okay. Yeah. And it's interesting you say, about pharmakia because isn't   what is his name? Borla?   The head of Pfizer is a Greek?  

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Oh, could be.  

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Right? Well, he's a Greek edomite,   isn't he?  

[01:41:31] Unknown:

Well, yeah. There you go. However you wanna put it. He's a Greek   Yeah. The head of the Pfizer   corporation.   Mhmm. Andrew or something like that. Well, yeah. All of those corporations,  

[01:41:42] Unknown:

big pharma corporations are run by Edomites, every last one of them.   Okay?  

[01:41:46] Unknown:

Yeah. So, there there's nothing new under the sun. No. No. There isn't. Okay. No. The I mean, we've got we've got a nice serpent on today's image. You'll be familiar with the image of today's show. I don't I don't know whether I sent it to you. It's the one that's,   we used on see that. Yeah. Yeah. It's Charlemagne having a popper, a serpent, which is good. And, of course, the we've got this,   I've got I'm just looking at Asclepius or whatever his name is. It says here,   a hero and god of medicine in ancient Greek religion and mythology.   And of and it's there's   a photograph of a statue here of him with the snake entwined around his staff.  

This symbolism of the snake   either as knowledge   I know in some terms it is put across as a as a good knowledge, but also   we we rightly associate it with   something deceptive,   the slithering snake and all that kind of stuff.   What's your understanding of Sure. Oh, because the snake is held up as this   symbol of medicine or is it a pharmacia?   And pharmacia   means sorcery. Isn't that right? Isn't that what it means?  

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Right. Well, it's it's translated as sorcery into English, but it literally means   drugs.   Okay? It just means drugs. Mhmm. Yeah. But when when it's in the hands of the wrong people, it's sorcery. Right? Yeah. You know, like, here, in America, the Rockefellers control   sorcery   from Yes. From Akia. You know? It's a it's all a big monopolistic   con game, which is used to inject people with all kinds of, unproductive   vaccines, so called vaccines,   and then you go through you you waste all your money away.   Cancer the cancer industry doesn't cure cancer.   All these are all scams. There there's not a single   honest corporation on the planet anymore,   and it's the medical corporations who scam people the most. They will take your life savings, empty out your, bank account   and your insurance policy. Right?  

And then when all that runs out, then you die.  

[01:43:52] Unknown:

Yes. That's how the system works. Well, it's you know, it's actually you say obvious. Yeah. There was, I think I sent it to you as well. There was this interview with doctor Brian Ardis,   who many people may be familiar with. If you're not, b r y a n a r d I s is his surname.   He's done an awful lot of communicating over the last four or five years with regards to COVID.   He was the guy that began to explore the whole idea of it not being coming from bats, but coming from snakes and the use of venom.   And also the presence of venom in many many products of venom type,   substances.  

And of course, venom is extremely dangerous to human beings. Yeah.   You're making me ill as you speak. Yeah. I'm so I'm sorry about Right. I'm sorry about that. But he said he said really what you were saying as well. He said   that pharmacia sorcery   is the power that rules the world and that is the pharmaceutical companies. Of course, I don't know what their market capitalization is but it's absolutely colossal, isn't it? And if you're able to poison people,   which they are on scale, it's a it's a devastatingly   effective weapon weapon for keeping everybody off balance, which I think we could say most people are off balance   to a great degree because of what's been happening particularly over these last four or five years. Yeah. Yes.  



[01:45:19] Unknown:

Amen. And you could also include   not just legal pharmakia,   but all illegal pharmakia   and and especially,   drugs that,   get you out of your normal state of mind.   Right? Yeah.   So there's three areas   of pharmakia that are really devastating,   let alone the actual poison. Right. Right. At the moment. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The opioid epidemic. I mean, this is legal. This is legal murder. The opioid epidemic.   Right? And it's it's  

[01:45:51] Unknown:

just a Is fentanyl the is fentanyl the Sackler family predominantly? Aren't they the family that's responsible mainly for fentanyl?  

[01:45:58] Unknown:

Yeah. That's one of them. Yeah. One of them. Right. Well, it's one of them. The opioid crisis. Yeah. The sec the the Purdue Pharmaceutical is the company they owned. Yeah. Right. Okay. And the the In The UK. Yeah. They run that. Yeah. Yeah.   Yeah. But but let me read here this. This is very good.   Excerpt from studies in Revelation by Hampton Keithley the third.   That surely sounds British   to me. Anyways,   Pergamum was very wealthy, the center of emperor worship,   with many temples devoted to idolatry.   This was a place where Satan's throne is, Revelation two thirteen.   The phrase has been applied to the complex of pagan cults of Zeus, Athena, Dionysus,   Asclepius   Yeah. Or Aesculapius.  

It's spelled in different ways. And that's, of course, the the the symbol of modern medicine is the the the, the staff with two snake snakes twirl around it. Okay? Yeah. Mhmm. Why the snake? Well, because they're selling snake venom.   He's   selling in the old days, yeah, and and every other kind of poison.   So that's what the serpents entwined around the staff symbolize,   and that is not God's pharmacy. It's the devil's pharmacy.  

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Yes.  

[01:47:12] Unknown:

Okay? Yep. Alright? Mhmm. Now, of course, his,   the Adelid kings remember, Adelid the Adelid kings   controlled   that that society,   around Pergamos.   It turns out that the   that the first   Babylonian   priest who was kicked out, he he was the leader of the Babylonian priesthood   in Babylon. His name was Adelus,   a t t a l u s.   And so he was the one who was kicked out of Babylon   by the Persians.   Right. Okay. So they had to go somewhere, and so they went to Pergamos because they had a lot of friends   there. Right? They were their their friends were already there.   Now in addition to this stream of poison   poison pharmacia,   they also   had this,   the the they worship in Babylon, they worship this fish god.  

Yes. This fish god. Mhmm. Yeah. And and the and the main god there was,   the,   oh, what what did they call him? The the   pontifex maximus.   Oh, that's maximus. Yeah. That's where it came from. The word the the original use of this word pontifex, yeah, originates there, doesn't it? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that that that's where Nimrod and Semiramis had their, fertility cult. Okay? Yeah. But that that fish head god   became this the miter of the popes. You know, the the the cap they wear Yes. With a big opening at the top. That's Yeah. That's Dogon. That that's the Pontifex Maximus.   Yeah. Right? And the Roman emperors had that title, which means high priest of Jupiter.  

And so when that when that religion went to Rome,   the papacy   accepted it. They're called the Pontifex Maximus. Even today, They have never rejected this   pagan title,   and they're that's why they're called pontiff.   Yes. So you have these three strains of emperorship,   you know, poison poisoning the mind, poisoning the body, poisoning everything.   And so we've got it all on a global scale today.   So what we're being told in,   Revelation two thirteen is, well, this was local at that point in time   at Pergamos,   but today, it has grown into a multinational   global   enterprise   called the UN. You name it. You know, it's globalism. It's become globalism,   and this is how they control us with those three strains with with false religion,   false medicine,   and false, you know, everything else. Okay? Mhmm. False false government. False government. Okay? Yes. So welcome to the new world order.  



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It's lovely. We're all enjoying it tremendously, aren't you, chaps? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.   There was, in that you guys in Britain.   Yeah. I mean, in that, in that interview with Ardis, one of the things he talked about with regards to snakes and this whole   I mean, it's a I've only just begun to sort of   skirt around it as a topic. It's a fantastic interview. I should probably put it Yeah. Put it up somewhere. I mean, he talks about in the early stage of the interview,   he talks about his life as a Mormon.   And it's a fascinating sort of,   yeah, because he was   fully into all of that. And when he's describing   excuse me. When he's describing his youth and the family life that they had as Mormons, it does sound fantastic. It ticks all the boxes that we would want in terms of good happy healthy village living.  

And so he was completely,   into that, his entire family. They come from a long generation,   into, you know, many many generations   of Mormons.   And of course, at the time,   he viewed, as he would do, because he's in that space, that Adam Smith was alright, you see.   The guy that basically discovered   also he says, you Economists. Yeah. The most, not Adam Smith. What's the name of him? The guy that formed Mormon. I can't remember. I'm sorry. I've got his name wrong probably. But Oh, Joseph Smith. Joseph. Joseph. See, they're all Smiths. These bloody Smiths, they're everywhere. Joseph Smith. Right? I remember my where it fell because he was murdered in in Illinois,   in a small small town in Illinois where Joseph Smith was murdered. Right. Well Okay. Please continue. No. It's it's a very inter and you should go and hear it directly from him, but I'm just sort of paraphrasing really from having listened to it.  

So he said he got into his early thirties   and I don't know what how old he is now. He looks as though he's mid to late fifties or something. But he got to his early thirties and he got a everything was going great.   And he said,   a year came around when he wanted a big sort of he said, I wanted a big spiritual experience. I needed   something to move on in terms of his connection with everything and all that kind of stuff.   And so they did he decides to go to,   and I can't remember the what's it called? You'd know. My name Well, Utah? Utah?   Well, maybe. There's a place in Nuvare or something. I can't remember the name of it. Oh, Novo. Yeah. Yeah. Novo, Illinois. That that's where that's where they murdered him. Yeah. Right. Okay. So he said we're gonna he said he wanted to go there to go on this, like, a pilgrimage to where Adam,   sorry,   mister Smith Joseph Smith. Joseph. Joseph. Joseph.  

My brain will start working in a minute. Well, Joseph Smith set the whole thing up. And he gets there and,   he said it's okay. They've been taken on tours around the town.   And he sees off in the distance over on sort of a shoreline   or near a major river or a a lake. Yeah. I've been there, actually. Yeah. I've been there. Yeah. And they said, oh, yeah. That's the house. The the tour guides are all saying that's the house,   where Joseph Smith, you know, lived with his wife and where they did all work. He said, oh, great. He said,   good. He said, when are we gonna go in over there? And they said, oh, we're not going over there.  

Because he this is this big change in his life. And they said, we're not going over there. I said, we're not going over there. He said, no. No. No. We don't go over there because it's a different church over there.   And, we don't we don't want to interact with that church, so we don't go there. But we'll tell you all about it. He thought this was extremely queer, which it is, of course. Right? It's extremely odd.   So,   he was of a mind to,   to disobey   the guidelines as it were. And, I think he was with the rest of his family as he said it, missed it. And he said, are we all going over there? And they went, oh, no. No. We've been told not to go, so we're not going. He said, I'm going. Right? So he informed everybody. And one day one day, whilst they're on this on this trip, this sojourn there, he goes over.   And they go into this house, and there's I didn't know any I I knew that, Joseph Smith was not a good one.  

I did know that. Mhmm. But they get into the hallway, and he said the house is just wonderful. It's got these big sort of I think these   twin curved staircases in this big entrance hall. And as he's described and he said I'm a sucker about that sort of stuff, and I'm going, I would be too. I can just picture what it would be like some beautifully made house.   And he said we get there and the the tour guide is talking to us and he said everybody else is looking at me because basically I suppose he looked as green as grass in there. They all they all knew what they were going for. He didn't. He just thought he was going on, you know, just to find out some more stuff to reinforce what he already knew. And the tour guide said, and, of course, this is the infamous staircase.   And he said,   he said, can I ask you a question? You mean famous staircase. Right? He said Right. Oh oh, no. No. No. We mean infamous. And apparently, somebody else in the party said somebody else in the party to someone and said, he doesn't know. And he said and I began he says he said a few he said a few question marks began to spring up. And he said, anyway, turns out,   you pro you'd know this better than me, but,   Joseph Smith   couldn't keep his pecker in his pants, to to put it bluntly. Oh, okay. And, Oh, he's at the center of Henry the eighth? Yeah. Sort of. Yeah. Maybe a long line. And,   and that's that's putting it mildly. He had   dalliances with 39 women whilst he was married to his to his wife. Right? While he was already married. Whilst he was already married. And one day Yeah. His wife   is no one else is in that. His wife is there and they had a young woman staying with them upstairs above this staircase.  

And she's,   being sick. She's being ill.   And,   being a caring woman, his wife goes up and wants to help her.   And,   she said, are you sick? She said and they get told. He said, well, I'm not really sick.   She said, what is she? It's morning sickness.   I'm pregnant.   Yeah. Right. And she said and of of course, there's a strict prohibition on getting pregnant before marriage. She wasn't wet, you know. Oh.   So they keep on talking. She said, well, who's the father?   And she said,   well, it's it's your husband.   Right? Mister mister Smith. It's mister Smith is the father.   And,   his wife,   having listened to this, goes into a rage and threw this woman down the stairs   such that she Oh my god. Injured herself severely and lost the baby because of it. Yeah. But but this was just the beginning of the unearthing of the whole thing. And it,   according to this is he goes through the story and recant so you're getting it tenth hand from me here, so you must hear it from him. But,   the   as as she looked into it, more and more his wife,   she found all these other relationships that it let's call them that, that he'd been having.  

And there were babies everywhere. And what he'd been saying to these young women is that, you know, if you don't tell anybody and we get together, you and your family will be on the right hand of God. That old thing, you know. Oh, okay. Yeah. You know, you get a really special you get you're gonna get a great place, you know, because you're supporting the church and you're supporting me, but we don't need to tell anybody and blah blah blah blah blah.   And there were some this so as artist is telling it, this   sort of scene becomes more and more known. All these women are coming forward.  

And he   according to Artis, he was killed. They say a mob killed him. It wasn't a mob.   It was the brothers and fathers and uncles of the women that he had   Uh-huh. Had relations with. They were besides themselves with fury and they did for him. That was basically it.   And Yeah. As Artis says, obviously, that was the end of his relationship with Mormonism. That was it. Right. Even though there's still some good aspects to it, but obviously, it's built on a on a on a on another sort of CI Scofield type con man, probably even worse in many ways.   You know, so, it's quite a a tale to hear him tell it and I would recommend anybody to go off and and listen to it. It's,   it's  

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Mormonism allowed more than one wife? I don't know. I mean, it's not it's and Brigham Young apparently left that place and went off with the whole other congregation, didn't he? And I'm not knowledgeable about the history   but,   so he goes into that in more detail, something which, of course, he's completely familiar with because he lived that life so deeply and I I don't I'm not even that interested in that aspect of it. But this   that whole side of things is what opened him up. That's what brought him into this space of inquiring then about everything. And what he then did was, he said he just couldn't stop reading. We've all been there, haven't we? Chaps and chapesses. You just go, right. And you're into a thing and you just can't get enough material hovered down. You You take eight or ten years and you just go bingo.   And apparently, they were trying to save him. The Mormon church was trying to save him and he,   he's,   this his his vicar or whatever they're called, his priest,   came to him and said, look, I think we should we should start meeting once a week. He said, okay.  

And his job   they met for a little while and and his priest really contacted the main board or whoever it is and said, I think you need to let this guy go. And they said, no. No. Whatever it is, you've got to keep him in. You must keep him in. He said, for several years, I think I don't know, maybe a couple of years, he would go there every Tuesday   and they would talk about his spiritual plight. So he didn't have a spiritual plight really at all. He was just and he said every week he would go and you take a book. He got every book on it. He said, but this says this, and this says this. And he just wore that. He said, this guy said he was absolutely fantastic at listening to him. He's very he's very praiseworthy of him in terms of his patience for dealing with him. But he just effectively   overwhelmed the conversation with this nasty thing called truth,   which has a habit of basically beating the crap out of anybody that stands in the way of it as long as you can get to say it. Okay. This is why they shut you up. Right.  

And   this led him into all these other areas of of exploration including then into pharmakia, which is a topic he moves on to later, and the role of snakes and of snake venom,   and of the whole of the thing of Pergamos,   and, you know, pharmacia being sorcerers that they would all of them will be deceived by sorcery. Isn't that there's a line something to that effect in the book of and that's and we are deceived. Eighteen twenty three. Yeah. Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, here, let me go get back to you because we're dealing with serpents here. Okay? Yes. Like Ephesus,  

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this is,   the Pergamos boasted on its coins and in its inscriptions to be a temple keeper that is the   the,   Pontifex Maximus. And like other Asiatic Greeks, we may be certain that the Pergamenes   were devoted to a sensuous and licentious worship like the whole world is today.   The tutelary deity   of Pergamu was Aesculapius,   the god of healing.   In his honor, a living serpent was kept and fed in the temple   while the serpent worship was so marked a character of the place that we find this reptile engraved on many of its coins. So but, of course, that serpent worship goes back to the serpent in the garden.   Mhmm.  

Yeah. They're worshiping   the that demon that seduced Eve. That's what this is all about.   It's it's two seed line confirmed at Pergamos. Okay? That's what's going on here, and and the the pope   has,   is wearing that fish   head cap   to proclaim to the world that he is the Pontifex Maximus,   the worshiper of this serpent.   Mhmm. Okay?  

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Yeah. Alright? So There is there's that thing. What's that building? Gone away. There's a building, isn't there? I've seen maybe many people have seen that photograph of that very elaborate ceiling,   where the pope is sat down on this throne. And behind him, there's this horrific sort of statue of all these sort of   warped human bodies. But the ceiling itself is literally like the head of a cobra with two eyes in it. You've seen you remember that? Yeah. Have you seen it? Yeah. Yeah. Alright. Yeah.   Yeah. No one talks about that too much. Chastain Chapel.  

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It's a new it's a new worship center at the Vatican.   Yeah. And even from the outside, it looks like a serpent's head Yep. With its wide open mouth, and people walk through the mouth into the into the into the cathedral.   Mhmm. Yeah. I mean, it's it's it's blatantly satanic.   Blatantly. Yeah.  

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Yeah. Yeah. I I would tend to agree with you. I know there'll be others that probably won't, but I I would tend to agree with that. I mean, I think there's there seems to be an intertwining of, like,   supposedly positive aspects of snakes and then this aspect that we're talking about which I think is the maybe the positive stuff is just sort of like a cover   in terms of, you know,   you even hear positive things spoken about Lucifer and there's certain aspects certainly in these Yes. You know, well he was a light bringer and he brought knowledge and all this kind of stuff and you well, if that was the if it was just that, okay. Okay. But it goes on into other things. There always seems to be,   it twists back to something dark. It seems to me,   with all of these all of these, you know, in the end, I just go right. I gotta stop here because   there's so many almost as if they are contradictory   accounts   of certain things that are coming into play, but,   I tend to the view of I mean, it's not a literal serpent. Right? We're not talking about a literal serpent in the Garden of Eden, are we?  



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I don't think we are. I just think it's a symbol. Snake. No. Yeah. It's a symbol Yeah. The serpent people. The serpent people. Right? You remember the the clay people of, Flash Gordon era?   Mhmm. Remember those guys? Yes. Okay. They they they blended into the wall, and then she walks through the the passages. They they come out of the wall, and they'll attack you. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Really   well done.   Special effects for, like, nineteen fifties stuff. Right? Yeah. But, yeah, that's what we're dealing with. They   they worship   the sir the serpent of the garden. That's who they worship.  

And and, off often in, oblique ways,   but in this in this Pergamos, it was direct. They actually worshiped the serpent because they're telling everybody, we worship the serpent that seduced Eve in Genesis three fifteen.   Okay? And even a dragon worship in China   harkens back to Genesis three fifteen. I can see that. All of this. Yeah. It it sure does. Yeah. Yeah. And so the this,   this serpent worship,   which which comes with medicine,   it probably comes in with with, slipping so slipping a Mickey to a woman in a crowded bar. Right?   Yeah. It's all about sexual seduction.  

It's all about, you know, sexual,   deviance, etcetera, etcetera. That's what it's about. Yeah. So that's what was going on in Pergamos.   And so the prophecy is that this would become worldwide   in in the end of days just before the second coming. That's what we're seeing right now.  

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One of the   threads that artists develops later on in the in the interview   is,   they spend some time talking about   trans people, this trans agenda,   this Right.   The admixture of the genders being connected in with all of this. And what he's talking about DNA, there's a there's a whole which I'm not gonna try and recount. It's really something to be listened to from him. Talking about the whole structures of DNA. These because again, in the formation of DNA as it's communicated, it says we're talking about these twin helixes like twin snakes   entwined themselves.  

Yeah. It's the same symbolism, isn't it? Yep. And he's saying that the agenda, in simple terms, in like is what they're seeking to do with this   interference with DNA, with this proposal   of this lunatic idea,   is they're seeking to replace,   the DNA of one seed line, let's say the children of the light,   with the other one to turn everybody effectively into having   snake DNA to put it in sort of rough turns. That's right. That that's part of this entire interference with the genome and all these other things to create what they I I assume is a much more intelligent and smart thing because the snakes are real clever sort of thing, which of course would result in the removal of kind of an emotional connection or a spiritual connection with God.  

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Yes. Yes.   Well, in Hebrew, the word nachash, which is the the serpent   is translated as serpent,   but it could also be translated   as enchanter,   deceiver,   you know, someone who, you know, pulls the wool over your eyes.   Various has various meanings   Mhmm. That, you know, really point to the fact that it was a highly intelligent being   who was able to talk Eve into doing something she would rather not have done. Okay? Yeah. So but this is what how about how about COVID?   Didn't, wasn't it fear porn that convinced people to take the jab? Yep.   Something they would rather not have done? Mhmm. Right?  



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Well, not now. Might many of them that have realized it, which is terrible for them in a way, but maybe it's a good thing that they've realized, but it's also a terrible   it's a terrible thing that they've got here realizations.   From this perspective, it is, and I you know, this is the perspective that I hold right now. I've got no evidence to suggest otherwise. Yeah. It's a very, very bad thing. Eric, I was just wondering, do you have any comments, Eric, up to now? Or anything you'd like to throw into the mix?  

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It's very, very interesting   because this serpent is it comes out. For example, look at Alfa Romeo Carls. There's a serpent on that logo.   It's in the medical industry,   especially the NHS.   Look at doctors as a surgeon.   Yes. You know, our National Health Service or health service as it's Yeah. Right. Known now.   So   this is all kind of, shall we say,   hidden in plain view.   Yes. It's being said. It's quite interesting.   Yes. Amen.  

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Yeah. Well, you you can go on and well, a lot of the logos of various international corporations   have the six six six incorporated   some way or another.   Okay? Mhmm. And and, you know, that that symbolizes the serpent as well.   So it it is in our face,   but, very, very there's no publicity about these these things. So that that's why I'm glad Brian Artis is is exposing this stuff.   It has to become more public and, you know, like I tell people,   I'm not a conspiracy   theorist.   I'm a conspiracy   realist.   Tell me what you believe, and I'll I'll explain to you why it's a it's a conspiracy.   Okay?  

Alright.   And nobody bats an eye when I say that. Okay? Yep. If you go online   and then you you say something that's conspiratorial, you know,   Snopes and other places will say, no. That's a conspiracy. You can't believe that. But then, whoever somebody said it online the other day.   Yesterday's conspiracy is today's front page headlines.   Right?   So   they can't hide it anymore.   They can't hide it anymore. And the only people who believe this, you know, conspiracy theory nonsense that there there are no conspiracies   Are they uneducated? You know? And then the uninterested.  



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Everybody else has figured it out already. Yeah. It's the ones that have self censored, really. I mean, it's not I think the term as well, conspiracy theory is falling into it's a it's a joke of a it's not an insult. It is a joke. It's a joke because actually, those people that question things and come up with theories about stuff, their theories are much closer. We can't say that they're absolutely true,   but they're certainly far less in error to such a degree that you really have to say that for now they are the truth because, you know,   barring the presence or the arrival of new evidence,   these things   stack up. And it's not really conspiracy theories. It's conspiracy analysis   based on deep wide interrelated reading and study of all sorts of things. It takes a while, of course. It's not been easy to to do it all, but it certainly has been possible since the Internet arrived. I know that's a bit of the old cliche but it's true.  

Yeah. You know, to get to grips with all these documents and everything that have been effectively, you know, kept out of view.   Yeah.   And it's just another as I mean, all these different ways of describing this spiritual war, the spiritual wickedness in high places.   Amen. It comes in many forms, doesn't it? This is,   you know, the pharmakeia thing is it's just very interesting to know that pharmakeia means sorcery   and then everybody goes to the pharmacist   and that they're working on it. I mean, yeah. I mean, you don't like you you're talking we're talking about drugs and things. Yeah. You know when you were in Vietnam,   we've we've got a received view here that drugs were prevalent all over the place in the US military. Is that the case? Where, you know, as someone was there, you you would have seen it, I guess. So, you know,   was the performance of troops, American troops being interfered with, of course, by the presence of   of drugs? Absolutely.  



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Absolutely. Well, the whole reason we were there in the first place is to   sneak,   psychedelics   out of, Central Asia, South Central Asia. Right? Yep. And what was the country, nearby? There was the the main center   of, you know, opium   and cocaine and all that kind of stuff.   And that was being smuggled in from South Southeast Asia   to America   via our, you know, airplanes.   Okay? Mhmm. And so and then all all often stuffed into the corpses of dead soldiers.   So, yeah, it was a big drug drug operation by run by the CIA.  

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That's what it was. Yeah. I mean, if you think I mean,   obviously, alcohol has been,   with us for thousands of years. Demonized.  

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Alcohol is not really that bad.  

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Well, not in comparison to the other stuff. But it it does impair performance, doesn't it? I mean, I know the I'm sorry. So they say that the, you know, the Egyptian slaves were paid in beer   and there is that old phrase Right. Beer beer is a sign that God loves us and wants us to be happy. And I think old Right. Old ale that wasn't so strong. I mean, you know, I'm not trying to be a a guinea. Again, it's down to each individual to sort it out. But it does impair your performance. If you think about it, that it's generally   subduing everybody,   which it does, you know, and you do pay for it. And if you're a heavy drinker throughout your life, you're unlikely to have too much cognitive  

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loosens your morals too. Yes. Right? Yeah. It does. It loosens your morals.   Yeah. Yeah. I really think that Eve,   that Nachash slipped Eva Mickey.   Mhmm. Okay? Yeah. And, it's just yeah. There was a drug called soma in the ancient world,   which was used to intoxicate people.   Right. I'm not sure of the you know, whether it was alcoholic or something else. But intoxicants have been around since the beginning. Right? And you go to South America, Central America,   the peyote,   they make, intoxicating,   mind altering drugs out of everything. Mushrooms, the sacred mushroom. Right? Yeah. So everywhere you go,   this is prevalent.  

It's prevalent. Okay? But Paul said we need to be sober.  

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Right. How boring. How boring. We need to be sober. Is it   is the history of the evil in the world a history of drugs?   Oh, yeah. Of That's right.   Of, you   know, effectively   drugging people and getting them to do I mean, of course, we know that they're doing that to this very day, but   I've never been interested in drugs. I'm so boring, but I just haven't. I just thought, well, what's wrong with a cup of tea?   And You're one of those bore you're one of those boring Englishmen. I really am, man. I am. I just go, why would I wanna do that? I mean, it's just it's messy enough in here as it is. I don't want anything else messing it. I'm booing. Oh, no. It's a lot of fun. I'm gonna I don't Get it. I just really don't see what's fun about this. It's just weird. Well You know? It's fascinating because  

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I had an in in country   vacation they call,   R and R, rest and relaxation. Right? Yeah. So I went   from my station, which was very close to the DMZ in the north.   My unit was held just south of it was, airborne that patrolled the DMZ   Right. South of it, of course, South Vietnam.   And,   something's pushing at my leg here.   And then,   and then,   my unit was just south of there, and I went to visit a friend   by by the Mekong Delta. Right? The big presence there. The   Da Nang Airport was on there.   No. Not Da Nang. It was another town. But, anyway, heavy presence down there at the Maikong Delta. And so I went to visit some friends down there.   And so I got there,   and everybody was using. Everybody.  

Okay. So yeah. Hey, Eli. Would you like some mescaline?   Oh, okay. Yeah. I'll try that.   Correct. They had everything.   Yeah. And, you know, so the military pretended to be opposed to it, but the military was actually distributing it.   Okay? Maybe the staff sergeant, maybe the the company sergeants were, you know, bamboozled by all this stuff. But, no, it's all about drugs. Vietnam War is all about, bringing drugs to America and or selling them around the world. That's what it was about. Did you,   And the CIA was behind it. Ever get any,  

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Yeah. Evidence of fracking,   what do they call it, where they throw a   fragmentation grade into a senior person's tent so it didn't have to do anything dangerous the next day. Did you get any fracking at all?  

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Yeah. It happened to my commanding officer.   I can't remember his actual yeah. He we called him,   offer. What was our nickname for him? But, he was he was always volunteering our company for the most dangerous duty.   Right? As opposed to the the guy who preceded him, who would always keep us out of the dangerous duty. Right? He wanted to go home too. Right? The commanding officer wanted to go home. Right? And so,   his replacement,   always volunteered our unit for the most dangerous,   duty. And so the we got tired of it. And but while I was on, leave back to, America because my brother was having open heart surgery,   the guy who replaced me   in my unit   told me that when when our commanding officer was shot in the leg,   he he started bleeding profusely,   but the medics refused to tend to him.  

So this is let let him bleed to death. Really? Okay. A hawk. No. Hawk. That's what we call him. We call him the hawk   because he was always looking for trouble.   Right? And so yeah. And he wasn't necessarily well, he may have been fragged by a friendly fire.   That that's not uncommon either. But the the medics refused to treat him and said let they let him bleed to death.  

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Wow.   Yeah. What what years what years were you in for?  

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'69.   Oh. '69.   '10 offensive. '69 and '70 '68 through '70 were, like, the worst years of fighting. Yes.   So I I was in there for that.   Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, it's, all the rumors you've heard about, drugs and, you know,   let's call it mercy killing.   Right?   You know, blowing people away that you don't like. Yeah. That was happening all the time.  

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All the time. Yeah. Did It's that wasn't played up in the newspapers, but, yeah, that was happening all the time. The other thing Eli was about the only yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. So what I was gonna say is is that it's about the only war where the cameras were right at the front. I mean, I remember seeing on the television,   bullets almost ricocheting off the front. Like, there's this Yeah. Chap reporting in Vietnam, and you can actually see the Vietcong running along behind him. He's down a trench. Right. There's a massive explosion, and he's still reporting. He's still carrying on. Yeah. Right. Right. Cameras on you know? I've never seen Yeah. As he bleeds to death.  

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Yeah. As he bleeds to death. I'm gonna tell you that. That's called doing a really good job. Right? Yeah. I mean, it was it was the first what it was the first conflict. I mean, certainly in America, you would have got it full on, but we got it here a lot   where the daily action reels were brought into the living room every night   for years. Yeah. It set the whole tone   of the newscast. It was always   over here it was. It was Vietnam for years. I remember, you know, as a child watching it and stuff and,   it was nonstop, all that kind of stuff. So the first fully televised war, it seems to me, as though it was.  



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Well, while while you guy you guys were watching that on the telly Yeah. I was in Vietnam listening to the zombies   time of the season   on my transistor radio.  

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Right.   Did the transistor radio key did it keep you together?  

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Did you like your transistor radio? Yes. Yeah. It reminded us that there was a real world out there.   Right? And it was from Britain. Right? Yeah. There's a Brit what is it called? That was the British wave. The British invasion   Yeah. Was rock and roll.   Yeah. Okay.   But what yeah. Those were really crazy times. Yeah. Go ahead.  

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It's overlooked   that the first Vietnam in the the Brits   were in Vietnam Yeah. After 1945,   and they were three months away   from beating the Viet Cong.   But there was politics involved,   and it was handed back to the French.   And the French the British   and the Japanese, because I don't know if you know the story, that,   there were Japanese POWs, and actually,   we didn't have enough manpower   to hold the Viet Cong   back. So what they did,   they've rearmed   this was remember, 1945,   rearmed Right. The Japanese POWs. And under British command,   fought   the Vietcong.  

And they reckon it worked incredibly well. They got on very well together, the Japanese and the English.   Yeah. And they were three months away from beating them.   And the it was handed back to the French.   And they had no experience of jungle warfare where the Brits and the Japanese Yeah. Had.  

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And there were Australians out there as well, weren't there? There were Australian bush guys. Oh, yes.   Yeah. Yeah. Eli, I've heard you say in previous interviews,   from   from your perspective, that obviously you were there, but I I'm sure I recall you saying at one point   that your sense was   that it was being organized on purpose to be a mess and for you to lose it. It was actually Right. Constructed that way from the top down. It was a commie controlled thing   meant to Yeah. Effectively weaken   American prestige in the world. Yeah. Yeah.  

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Yeah.   Henry Kissinger commie. Yeah. Yeah. He was Henry Kissinger. Right? His job was to prolong the war as long as possible.   Mhmm. Okay? And so I can tell you a story because, you know, I'm Christian identity. When I was there, I realized that the war was not   that nobody none of the corporations who were feeding all the material, including,   you know, the, the the companies that provided the food, like Oscar Mayer,   the shoes,   the military hardware, the tanks, the Hueys, all that kind of stuff.   The the the interesting thing about that war was all that stuff was made in America.   Mhmm. So Americans were getting rich off the war. Today, wars are,   built in China.  

Okay? So the Chinese are getting rich off these wars even though, you know, we're supposed to be their enemies. You know? Right? But we're not. Okay? Yeah. It's one big corporation making war and killing people for no other reason than than to keep the corporations profitable.  

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That's what it's all about. Okay? What yes. What was the zombies song that was running through your head? What was it?  

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Time of the season. Time of the season. Well, I'm gonna play it right now. Were famous.  

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We're gonna play. There you go. We're gonna take a break. We're gonna this is, this is I hope it doesn't throw you into a weird space, Eli, but you mentioned it. So there we go.   No. Never mind. Alright.   So this is the time of the season by the zombies. We're here with Eli James.   You listen to Paul English live. Here we are gonna have a little song, and we'll be back after the zombies.  

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It's the time  

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What  

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What's your name? What's your name? Who's   your daddy? Who's your daddy? Who's your daddy?   He rich like me.   Has he taken? Has  

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there we go. Time of the season. I I found that quite groovy, Eli. It stood up quite well. Yes.   Yeah. Yeah. Didn't it? Yeah.  

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I'll bet I'll remember that. But,  

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I I know that in years. So you were listening to that on your transistor radio.   Yeah?   Yes. Yeah. Which which of course, as you know,   is actually called a tranny. And that's the only tranny that I know is a transistor radio. That's the correct use of the word.   A pocket transistor radio is known as a tranny. Yeah. And and people just say, oh, have you got a tranny? And we all knew what either that or a transmission, but Yeah. Yeah. When we were kids, a tranny was getting your first pocket transistor radio. It was pretty exciting to get one of those. It was actually. I've got one. I still got it in fact. I don't know if it still works, but I see what's overlooked about the Vietnam War. And that is there was a British embassy  

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that was open throughout the war, not only in Saigon, but in Hanoi.   Oh, wow. Yeah. And the MI six   apparently reported   the bombing and that,   covertly, to the American forces.   So they get a good idea of how but but   but but yeah. Probably.   How how   how, you know, efficient it was. But let me ask you what what what role was yours in in Vietnam? I mean, were you a grunt on on on the Yeah. Or Yeah. Yeah. I was a grunt. And,  

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the, I I got wounded a couple times. I was back in the rear, and, you know, there's no very little fighting done in the rear.   But, you know, when you have to go out in the field,   you get this heavy old backpack,   and you have to drink warm beer.   That was the worst part about it, warm beer. So you you Oh, we took the oldest part. We're English. We're British too, that. Yeah. Right. Oh, yeah. Yeah.  

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Yeah. They'd be all quite happy doing that, Eli. We just we we grow up on one beer. Yeah.  

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There you go. There you go.  

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I work with a Brit   who was actually in the Vietnam War. He's one of only   very few,   British people were that was actually in the American forces.   And,   the way he got in   was,   in the nineteen sixties,   he was he was architectural technician.  

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Okay.  

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And he was also an expert in   explosives or something.   And they gave him an offer, and he worked on an American air force base in this country.   And he had a skill that they wanted. I don't know the full story.   And they gave him an offer that he couldn't refuse.   I think American citizenship as well. He had an American wife. Wow. And he took it.   But then a couple of years later, the Vietnam War came along, and he was sent to Vietnam.   And he's been blowing up a couple of times. He had bits of metal in him and but he was a man. Yeah. He was a man. But did you ever did you see any Brits? Did you meet any Brits in in in Vietnam?  

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Yeah. No. Not not at all. No.  

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Well, drinking our tea and   Yeah.  

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Yeah. Playing cricket, Eli. They would be out playing cricket in the bush. That's what it is. Look. We can't do any fight. We've got some we've got to break some tea, and we've got to play some cricket, then we'll do some bit of fighting a bit later on. No. It's not quite like that. Well, no. Our our friendly our friendly fire is bang. Oh, terribly sorry. Don't take it personal. Yeah. Bang. Yeah. Yeah. You know?  

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Yeah.  

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Yeah. You must have had rubber bullets. Yeah.  

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Apparently though What?   The SIS   were in Vietnam.   Secret air service were in Vietnam.  

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Okay. There was probably I would imagine there's so much stuff going on in Vietnam, but obviously as you were mentioning earlier, Eli,   and as someone has even put in the in, one of the chats there, it's just a great cover for shipping drugs around, isn't it?  

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That's right. Absolutely. Absolutely.   But even more than that,   Anthony Sutton, are you guys familiar with Anthony Sutton? Yes.   Yes.   Yeah. He wrote a book, well, his title is National Suicide   in which he describes   how international corporations, including Rolls Royce   and, various American corporations like Ford Motor Company,   were actually building,   armaments for the North Vietnamese   in Russia in The Soviet Union at the time and shipping them to the Vietnam War to fire bullets at me.   Okay? I I found about this after and the US Department of Commerce   would, give the stamp of approval to all of this. Okay? Right. And so   I I smelled the rat right away. My my first patrol   from, LZ Baldy, which we call it Baldy because there was not a scrap of vegetation   on top of this hill. It was all dirt   because because of bombs and and what do you call it, napalm and everything destroys the vegetation.  

And so it's just a big a hook of dirt that was   smeared flat for a helicopter landing spot.   Anyway,   my first mission from that, we marched down the hill   and, across the jungle up to another hill in the middle of the jungle,   and we all get to the top, and we're milling around. There's 24 of us. There's two squads.   And so   the first sergeant starts to assign positions around the hill. Okay?   And then as soon as I sat down,   I heard this big boom,   and I saw two half bodies flying right over my head.   Right. K. Just the upper body. No lower body. Yeah. And then,   my my buddy in in the,   in the dugout was, said, okay. Put your helmet on. And so I put my helmet on, and then the the the rain of dirt came down.  

Okay?   Mhmm. So these two guys had stepped on a landmine,   and I looked over I went back and looked at the hole, and the whole company, the whole the whole platoon was standing right there   where where the,   the the mine was. And it's just a miracle   that everybody had dispersed before the one of those two guys stepped on it. Okay? Right. And so I I asked the the platoon sergeant,   how did the Vietcong know that we're gonna be here?   Because they obviously   mined a place in anticipating us to come here. Right? Yep. And so he says,   oh, well, we've been here several times before.  

Oh,   okay. So how many times do you capture a target without securing the target?   And you just abandon it and then come back and secure it another time. I said, what kind of war is this?   Mhmm. When the invading army does makes no attempt to secure territory.   He just shrugged and said,   I don't know. I said, I told him this is not the way a war should be fought. I smelled the rat right then and there. Yeah. This war was not meant to be won. Okay?   Yep. Yep. That meant and that's what, that's what that book is about.   Mhmm. That is this war was a a a international   corporate,   you know, money making scheme and then, of course, illegal drugs. Now the interesting thing,   I   I when I got back from Vietnam, I hooked up with Nord Davis. Nord Davis has a website called Outpost of Freedom.  

He,  

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did How did you how did you connect with Nord Davis then? How did you you just sought him out, did you? Yeah.   So I guess most listeners won't know who he is. They won't know who Nour Davis is. I've he wrote a there's a booklet you can get by him called Star Wars, which came out in the early eighties, I think it was. And I know it's sound and of course you got well, he's tapping in on the movie. Yes, he was. But he's talking about these two stars of the two people, the star of Remphan   and the other star, isn't he? And,   it's a it's a brilliant I think he's an absolutely wonderful booklet.  



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I absolutely Yeah. Yeah. Well, it it it explains the theology of Christian identity, namely that we, the Anglo Saxon, Caucasian people, are God's   chosen people, and the enemy are impostors. Okay? Yes. It goes into great detail. It starts out by by defining the term covenant.   Mhmm. And then a covenant is a contract and a contract   that, has been sealed by God will not be broken by God. Right? Yes. The the Israelites may have broken it time after time, but God never breaks his promises. Right? And so he explains to these two,   Mormons.  



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Well, they like it, aren't they? I think they've just been Yeah. I'll try and dig up a URL for everybody or at least I'll get a link to it. It's it's a document I mentioned to a lot of people. I go, if you want a crash course or something   that covers the key points really well, it's it's a yeah. He's Right. What he's he's in his car, isn't he? The opening scene, the introduction is I don't know where he is. It looks there's some photographs of actually that he's in. He's really hot. Yeah. He's in his car. There's two guys coming down. They've just been released from   five years of religious instruction.  

Yeah. Yeah. They're students. They just yeah. They just come to town. Yeah. And they come up to him and they said and they want to talk to him about scripture.   And he's sort of plain old dumb and everything. And he says, yeah. Come on. Let's go in for a coffee.   And as he goes past his car, he reaches into the glove compartment, he pulls his Bible out which is absolutely full of notes. Right. And then he sits down at the table and puts it in front of him and they get that look on their face. I think he says like he feels that they've just been caught and of course they were because he takes them through Yeah. Many of the misunderstandings  

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that have just been poured into their head over the last five years. It's quite brilliant actually. It really is. Yeah. Right. So so the Mormon church is called the Church of the Latter day Saints. Right? The LDS. Is that right? Yeah. That's okay. I think so. I think these guys were LDS. Right? They might have been, Jehovah's Witnesses. I'm not sure. But he basically explains the meanings of biblical terms. Mhmm. Which they never understood. Like, covenant means contract.  

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Yes.  

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And the contract that God makes with his people can never be broken.   Mhmm. So that the people of the New Testament are the same people as the Old Testament. Right? Yeah. Not gentiles.   Yeah. The whole story behind the word Gentile.   And so that's,   just go to Star Wars   by Nour Davis. Just type that into your browser   Yeah. And that that booklet will come up. It's just absolutely   tremendous biblical teaching. There's nothing better. It's so concise   and summarize it summarizes the Christian identity position on the Bible.  

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Okay? He tells it he he tells it in a way that's really easy to comprehend by the layman. That's what is so fantastically good about it. It's not all preachy or anything. He's literally just strips words down. I I love the bit where he starts talking about grace,   about what it is. Right. And I think the illustration he uses   is,   that you're speeding in a car.   He said, you can't have grace without law. The law he said the law you know, they said the law's been done away with. I think they say all that and it's all it's an Right. And he he says true. No. Absolutely not. So you're speeding in a car and a cop a cop pulls you over. Right?   And you broke the law.  

Yeah. He's the law. He's the he's the actual representative. You know the law and you broke it. You've gone too quick. Right? According to this scenario. Yeah. Now the only one   without the law, he couldn't let you off   because he wouldn't be letting you off anything. Couldn't rescue either. He couldn't do anything. Yeah. So the law exists. You break it and he goes, I'm gonna let you off this time. In other words, he extends grace to you. He forgives you this time   because so that's how forgiveness but forgiveness can only take place in face of the fact that there's the the law exists and it actually exists.   So he illustrates these points brilliantly. Yeah. I I think he does a wonderful job with that. Yeah.  



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Yeah. Well, Paul says many times throughout the New Testament, do we thus destroy the law? Absolutely not. We don't destroy the law. He's where he's talking about the the sacrificial law. Yes. That was done away with because all the sacrificial law pointed to the coming of Christ.   Yes. And when he came,   guess what? The Levitical priesthood was dissolved.   Mhmm. That was their function is to offer sacrifices   until the coming of the Messiah. That's absolute proof that Jesus is the Messiah. Right? Yeah. Because the   Levitical priesthood was dissolved. Okay?  

But getting back to Vietnam,   Noah David was actually instrumental in ending the Vietnam War. And, it was a a point in time where Richard Nixon,   I believe, really wanted the war to end, but he couldn't because there were too many corporate interests, banking interests, and, let's face it, the medical industry.   The doctors got wonderful training in Vietnam. You know? For example, they they had to do   reconstructive surgery on my left ear because my left ear was partially blown away. The earlobe was blown away. Right. And so the What? The doctors said, okay. Well, let's cut a little from your right earlobe, put it on your left earlobe, and you'll be what's the word? Stereo. Right? Okay. Symmetrical. So you've got Well, basically  

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got real you've got reduced   lobe size. You you've you've gone down a size or two in low beach, have you? Okay? I didn't know that.  

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Amen. Okay. Yeah. And then the the the frag is still stuck in my skull, so I can't go for an MRI. Right? The the the I might   stick to the machine if if they put me in there. Right? Or something go haywire.   Right. So, anyway,   Nor Davis,   he was already Christian identity. He was already a conspiratologist,   and he was actually he had a plane, an airplane,   that he was flying across South Vietnam for one I forget why he was there, but it was a cargo plane. Mhmm. It was a cargo plane.   And he found out about the dredge   that,   that has to dredge Haiphong Harbor in order for international shipping   to take them from the Southeast Ocean   to Haiphong Harbor. Okay? Without this dredge and constant operation,   none of these seagoing ships could get to the harbor.  

So he found out now every every country in the world knows this. You know? The Soviets know it. The Americans know it. The British know it. The French know it.   If this dredge is not in fully operational mode, none of these ships can get from the ocean to the harbor. Yep. So he thought to himself, okay.   If I bomb this dredge,   this will create an international sensation,   and people will be asking the question, especially of Richard Nixon.   Why didn't you bomb this dredge in the first place? This dredge keeps the shipping lanes open for international trade with the communists.   Yep. Okay? Yep.  

And so,   see, he sent a message to none other than John McCain's father,   admiral McCain, who was in charge of the Pacific fleet at the time,   and he said he went went to visit him.   Right. He said, okay. Here's what I'm gonna do. If you don't if you don't put an end to this   international shipping between the capitalists and the communists,   you know, I'm gonna do something drastic. But he didn't tell him what he's gonna do. And   he just laughed and sent them out his way. Yeah. Okay? Mhmm. So he so he's got this,   freighter, an airborne freighter, a cargo plane,   and he does a trial run.  

So he takes his cargo plane and flies right over the dredge   just to show everybody   he can do it. Yeah. Okay?   And so he called Admiral McCain, and Nixon found out about it too.   Okay. This is what I'm gonna do. If you don't put an end to this dredging operation   and stop this international trade with the communist,   I will blow up this dredge, and the whole world will know what phonies you people are. Okay? Wow. And so Wow. Yeah. Nobody would listen to him, so so he went and got a bomb.   He went and got a bomb Yeah. And was gonna drop it out of the cargo bay as he flew over, over the dredge.   Yep. But something went wrong. He couldn't he couldn't get the bomb to to fall properly.  

But, nevertheless,   Nixon got the word.   This guy's serious.   He can blow up this dredge, and we'll all have agar in our faces.   So that's when that's when Nixon ended the war.  

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In in what was '71,  

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'72, '73? What is that? '73.   '73. Yeah.   That is some tale, Eli. That is amazing. I didn't know any of them. Oh, Eli. That's fascinating.  

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Because I always thought that,   Nixon wasn't supposed to in the Vietnam War, and that's why they had Watergate as a punishment for him.  

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Am I right there? Could be. Yeah. It could it could actually be. But, you know, their hand was forced by Nord Davis, by none other than Nord Davis, who probably later became a Christian identity teacher. You know, he went came home in North Carolina  

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and, started teaching bible studies. Yeah. It's more than he cared about living, though, ain't it? So why did he quit on living?  

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Oh, yeah. Well, they murdered him. They eventually murdered him. Really?   He he started reporting about black black helicopters strafing his property,   and, eventually, he died. But I think they were what they were doing, they were, you know, re irradiating him. He eventually died of cancer,   and he was a health nut. He he didn't eat any artificial   preservatives or anything like that. So I'm I'm convinced they irradiated him and caused him to die of some form of cancer.   Okay?   But, yeah, Nord Davis junior is, international should be an international hero   for putting an end to the Vietnam War. But I believe Nixon actually   he he got tired. You know? He was taking so much heat for but he didn't start the war. LBJ started the war. Yep.  

Right?   Yep. Okay. Everybody forgets about him. He's a he's a Democrat.   Right?   And so, yeah, they're all warmongers, but I think Nixon actually wanted to end the war because everybody was getting tired of it. Right? And so this gave him a good excuse to end the war. Yeah. What about when they sent,  

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sorry. Sorry. No. To you. Well, I was just gonna say the Watergate thing when you were talking   I mean, of course, Watergate at the time, I'm a young teenager, so it's true. Right? But it turns out to Yeah. Complete horse manure.   And that Bob Woodward was basically a CIA guy and didn't know when to get a pencil of a Fockem hole pencil from another Eric. And that the whole thing is a total massive stitch up.   Right. Yeah. Nixon always came across as being an extremely intelligent guy. I mean, and I liked his manner. Why? But as soon as they'd I remember in in the minds of the public, that was a big hit.  

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Remember that that that time that Billy Graham   paid a visit to Nixon,   and Billy Graham recorded their conversation.   And Nixon said to Billy, you know, we can't trust Jews. The Jews are are all traitors to America.   Yeah. And and then Billy Graham agreed with them at least in in response whether he actually agreed with another story.   But that that tape got leaked out, and I think that's, yeah, that's why Nixon had to go. But probably his, Vietnam ending in Vietnam prematurely   was, you know, not a good thing for him either. Right? So the the people you know, the the Rothschilds said he's gotta go. He's gotta go. Yeah. We've just lost we've just lost a lot of money because this guy stopped us having these people kill one another. Billions. Yep. Billions. Yeah. The the flow of drugs. Yeah. Yeah. But what about McNamara's  

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morons?   Oh, yeah. Yeah. They they sent people with extreme they couldn't even couldn't even tie their shoelaces up to Vietnam.  

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Right. Yeah. What what they call them? They, they had a nickname for them that that made it Mac Minara's morons,   apparently. Well, Well, yeah. That's that's the nickname.   Right.   No. The the, oh, they had a they're all college educated. They were they were supposed to be very intelligent and bright and all blah blah blah blah. Right? Of course, they were just operatives   for McNamara.   His job was to cover up the Vietnam War as much as possible, you know, and make it sound legitimate.  

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No. But no. Apparently, he sent people with a very low IQ   over. They could just be Yeah. It's certainly possible.   They they actually did that. Right. Apparently Who? Oh, go ahead. McNamara.   Yeah. Robert McNamara. They call it Robert McNamara's,   morons.  

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Right. Yeah. They sort of glossed it all over. But what it was, it was cannon fodder. That's all it was. Yeah. It was well, it's young people fresh out of college who really didn't know didn't know anything about anything. Yeah. Who was Westmoreland?   Oh, he was the main general,   of the Vietnam War effort.   Okay. Yeah. Yeah.  

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Did did you ever see  

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So,   go ahead. Carry on.  

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What I was gonna say is, did you ever see what they called Puff the Magic Dragon, which was a,   that was a a Dakota   that had been,   rebuilt to to not a living crack out of,   positions in Oh, yeah. In these.  

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Oh, yeah. Well, yeah,   it might have been a Coba. It might have been a Huey. I'm not sure which helicopter it was. Oh, no. It's actually not DC three Dakota World War two one.  

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Well, the the World War two. Yeah. No. No. What they did,   they had this   this problem   of knocking out North Vietnamese,   local areas.   And there was a thing called,   that they put a massive firepower on suit. I think they're called c four 40 sevens, were they in Vietnam?   Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. They had a load of Dakotas,   and then they converted them. They called them Puff the Magic Dragon because these things would fire Oh, that's at an enormous rate. There are just  

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genocide machines. Yeah. A thousand rounds a minute. Yeah. Some thousand. Yeah. I've seen them. Yeah. I saw those. Every every tenth round was a tracer.   So you could see every, you know, a thousand rounds a minute. So you see all these tracers coming down. They basically fly over what they thought was an enemy position   and just kept firing. You know, that's a good way to get rid of ordinance.   Right? And, but, unfortunately, one of those rounds hit a buddy of mine while we were, you know, sleeping overnight. You know, I was watching the tracers. They were coming closer and closer and closer,   and all of a sudden, my buddy, my maybe 10 feet away   got hit by a round and killed him.  

Oh, man. Okay. We called it Snoopy. We called it Snoopy.   Yeah. Then it was just a big old freighter with tons of ammunition   and a couple of,   50 caliber machine guns that would just fire into the jungle.   Right?  

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Dude. Pretending to hit the enemy. Do you remember H. L. Hunt?  

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Yes.   Yeah.  

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It's it's, I've been interested in him because   I have a little brother that plays for the Kansas City Chiefs and,   his his grandson owns it, Clark Hunt.   Okay. He owns the team, and I learned that, he was the biggest backer backer of LBJ,   during the campaign in 1960.  

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Oh, yeah. Well, I think the Hunt brothers were involved in the assassination of JFK.   Right? There are a lot of people who wanted to get a JFK.   Well, because he wanted to prevent the Vietnam War. Well You know, he pulled the advisers out   and then, was getting ready to pull the military out, so he had to go. The assassination took place just down the road from,  

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Hunt's Dallas office. Okay.   Right. Yeah. Yeah. They turned the gun on know that and then it happened after they saw it in the office.  

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Yeah. And we all know that,   that Lee Harvey Oswald's   fourteen ninety five   rifle couldn't hit the broad side of a barn door. It was a mail order rifle. Right?   And he was totally set up. He is totally set up. Yeah.   So   but, yeah, all that information is out there. And if you search hard enough for it, you will find in fact,   BBC did a great,   series   on the JFK assassination   and and proved that it wasn't, Harvey. It proved it was a conspiracy.   Right?   Conspiracy.  

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Right? Yep. Yeah. Yeah. BBC actually did a great yeah. Mind you, we got, that old was it John,   Bimmer?   Cimmer. Thanks thanks, Patrick. Yeah. He was on the other week, and he runs it as, something to the British as well. It's a very British   assassination.  

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Oh,   yeah. Well, I'm sure m I what? M I six? Is it is it called? Stage. Yeah.   Yeah. Yeah. M I six. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All these secret services, they they work together.   Yeah. Oh, yeah. They were my six. Masad. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So this is one organization.   Yeah. And then Masad really controls everything because Mhmm. They control the money.   Right?   So but all this information is coming out, and it's just a question of how long can the, you know, Zionist press   keep this   from becoming common knowledge. You know, the only people who aren't   privy to this kind of information   are the uninterested.  

Right? Those people who just don't give a damn. The apathetic ones of,   the what is the the   the the apostate church.   Right? The the lukewarm church,   okay, that, Jesus Christ criticizes   to no end because they're they're they're no good. Right? He he says, I will vomit you out of my mouth because you're you're so lukewarm.   Vomit. Yeah. That's literally what it means. They they make him nauseous. He's talking about the lukewarm Christians of today.   This is the church.   Okay?   Mhmm. And so the churches are complicit in this as well.   They're, they're all also covering this up. Okay? This But they're  

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JFK the JFK thing seems to intertwine every single force and agency that is out to destroy the world. Every single thing   seems to be involved. The military industrial complex, the mafia. I saw this   the whole thing about that the the guys that actually shot the bullets   came from Marseille.   I I there was a really tremendous thing about that. I mean, maybe John Hamer's account differs from that. But there was a a really exhaustive thing where they'd been recruited. They bought these guys in from Marseille. They flew them in. They flew them out. All that kind of stuff so that there was no trace and this that and the other. And there were just so many people wanted him dead. It's just absolutely remarkable. Yeah.  

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Noah Davis did a piece about that as well. I don't know if it's still available   where it's,   Guy de Morrenschel.   Mhmm. De Morrenschel was actually the trigger guy. He's the guy in   the black cape   Mhmm. Wearing a black hat,   had two pistols in his hand, and he was the one who fired the first rounds at Kennedy   after the limousine had gone past.   Unfortunately, a woman stepped right in front of him as he was in the act of firing, and he killed her.   And her brains splattered all over one of the police officers on the motorcycle.   And so they covered that up entirely.  

So De Morin Schulz was the, one of the assassins   of the assassination team that killed Kennedy, and he was, finger and he was he was a friend of George Walker Bush.  

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Wow. And what about the driver? Because there's that film with the driver turning around. It looks as if he's shooting.  

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Right. Yeah. That was William Greer. William Greer. He was a driver, and Jackie Kennedy accused him to his face of being   the trigger man.  

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Right. Okay. The Jim Garrison also said there were about 30 people involved in three different teams triangulating.   Yes.  

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Yeah. Yeah. It would say and the so that they've got one cover story after another to misdirect the public for years.   And then they'll bring in another one. I it says that the whole thing was multi layered, a bit like nine eleven. Yeah. Multiple top backup stories. Oh, yeah.  

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And then when Jack Ruby shot Lee Harvey Oswald  

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Yeah. And got away with it. Literally got away with it. I mean Because he was blackmailing the police in in Dallas. Yeah. Well, since you came on, Eli, we we we started off with snakes   in the pharmaceutical   sorcery realm. And we're still talking about snakes. That's what I was we've come back to a physical representation of snakes, the actual snakes and how they slip. Yep.   The spirit of Nekosh   looms large. Absolutely.  

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It really does. Large. Right? Well well, and grok sounds like the name of a snake.  

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Right? I guess it does. Yeah. It could do. Yeah.  

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Yeah. What you think of that? Another snake.  

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Yeah. The color for him. There we go. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. That's   Yeah.   Yeah. So it's, the times are getting even more interesting as we speak. However, it's all getting ready to implode.   It's just but but I think part of the implosion is gonna involve central bank digital currency, which they're gonna,   issue in, in Britain   this October. So you guys better get ready. They're gonna   yeah.   They're gonna get rid of cash,   and they're gonna hope that the British society does not implode any worse than is imploding already.   I don't think it's gonna work.  

You know? Because it's if some what if somebody pulls the plug?   It's Bitcoin.   Yep. Central bank digital currency is Bitcoin. It requires a workable Internet,   and and you have to have electricity.   All somebody,   somebody was is going to start bombing,   what,   electrical,   relay stations.  

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Well, they've they've got a big challenge with producing the amount of elect so they tell us. Produce the amount of electricity they need for these colossal data centers.   I think there's all sorts of other things yet to happen from the little people. I think the little people are gonna end up not being as little as we are anticipated to be. I know we all think we are, but I'm serious. I don't think it's gonna go like that. You know? When they head Ottawa, the the whole trucker protest going on there in Canada  

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Yeah. Was a trial run Mhmm. For what Yes. They, in fact, plan to do Yeah. With the border crossing and a passport with the vaccines just to see what people would do   and to what they need to get people to break.  

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They emptied the bank accounts of the truckers,   and then they set up, GoFundMe accounts   for the Feds. You know? And they actually, had fake,   trucker organizations   collecting money so to prevent the truckers from getting it. So, man, to talk about treachery.   Wow. Snake treachery. Yeah.   That's coming to the world everywhere.   We'll see how long that lasts.  

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Okay? We're battling snakes and elephants and spiritual. Eli's been I learned some things I didn't know today. Wonderful. Yeah. Really wonderful stuff. Look look forward to having you back in a month or so's time. That would be absolutely fantastic.   Yeah. And more talk about snacks. Long.   Yeah. Yeah. We don't have to be that long. We'll have you back in a couple of weeks. Absolutely brilliant. Yeah. Yeah. Really I'll send you some some sacred mushrooms so you can really   space out. Okay. We'll do a special mushroom edition coming up in a week or so's time. There you go. You've been listening to Yeah.   PharmaKia. Here we go. You've been listening to Paul English live the last few hours. Thank you for your company, everybody on YouTube and Rumble and elsewhere.  

Always great. I mean, we'll be back again same time next week. More things to announce and,   keep well, keep good, and watch out for those bloody snakes.  

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Bye for now. Alright. Bye bye.