Welcome to the Good Friday 2024 pilot episode of 'iRemember' with your host, Patrick Chenal. In this episode, Patrick is joined by the legendary John Barbour, live from Las Vegas, Nevada. The show begins with 'High Hopes,' setting the stage for a deep and engaging conversation.
John Barbour shares his fascinating life story, filled with serendipitous moments and incredible encounters. From becoming Frank Sinatra's private writer to his investigative work on the assassination of John F. Kennedy, Barbour's tales are nothing short of captivating. He discusses his autobiographical book “You’re Mother is Not a Virgin”, his time with Sinatra, and his unique perspective on divine intervention or as he calls it, serendipity.
The conversation takes a historical turn as Barbour delves into the intricacies of Jim Garrison's investigation into JFK's assassination, revealing shocking details about government cover-ups and media manipulation. Barbour also touches on his experiences with other iconic figures like Muhammad Ali, Redd Foxx, and Dick Gregory, providing a rich tapestry of anecdotes and insights.
Patrick and John also discuss the negative impact of the Federal Reserve, costs of abandoning the fairness doctrine in media, and the erosion of American democracy. The episode is a treasure trove of historical facts, personal stories, and thought-provoking commentary, making it a must-listen for anyone interested in American history and culture.
Tune in to hear about the golden years of America, the decline of its democratic values, and the power of serendipity in shaping one's life. This episode is a heartfelt tribute to the past and a sobering reflection on the present.
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Unknown:
Welcome to my show. This is gonna be called I remember, and my name is Patrick Chenall. And it's Good Friday, 2024. And I have with me a special guest, John Barber in Las Vegas, Nevada. And we're gonna begin with a little song here, and then we'll we'll start the show.
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Just what makes that little old ant think he'll move that rubber tree plant? Anyone knows an ant can't move a rubber tree plant. But he's got
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high hopes.
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So anytime you're getting low, instead of letting go, just remember that ant. Oops, there goes another
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rubbery plant. There goes another rubbery plant. There goes another
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Once there was a silly old ram, thought he'd punch a hole in our dam. No one could make that ram scram. He kept butting that damn because he had.
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I hope sick, he had. I hope sick, he had.
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So anytime you're feeling bad, instead of feeling sad, just remember that ram. Oops. There goes a 1,000,000,000,
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kilowatt Alright. I'd look oh, hold on.
[00:03:12] Unknown:
Sorry for going back, folks. Probably cut this part out. Alright. John.
[00:03:20] John Barbour:
Don't edit that blunder out. I love the blunders. It's like vaudeville. You kinda stumble into it. Yeah. Okay. So I'm gonna tell you something. Yep. I do not believe much in anything, as you will find out. But I do believe in serendipity. And so I'm gonna tell you, you said it's a Good Friday. Well, any day that I'm talking to you, Patrick, is a good day. It's an even better day when I get to be talking about, Jim Garrison, his, his solved and sabotage investigation into the murder of John Kennedy. It's a great day when I get to be talking about John Kennedy, and a good day to be talking about Frank Sinatra.
And it is serendipity that you played that song. As I know you're reading my book and you probably haven't come to the part where I become Frank Sinatra's private writer for four and a half years, which happened by accident. As a matter of fact, Patrick, all the wonderful amazing things that have happened to me in my life, and there are plenty of them, have happened by accident. And even though I am a non believer, somehow or another, you will read passages in my book where I say, Somebody comes into my life and improves my life personally and professionally, and it's like divine intervention.
And I call it serendipity. But you wanna know, this song is called High Hopes. In a long conversation I had with Frances, when I was planning on doing a 5 hour documentary, an autobiography, a visual autobiography, the first in the history of television about one of America's greatest, most influential performers, who was Frank Sinatra. I mentioned to him, if he and the Rat Pack had not sung high hopes for John Kennedy, he would not have gone to the Oval Office in Washington DC. So that's really interesting. And it's serendipity that you start this conversation with me with that delightful, delightful song, He's Got High Hopes.
[00:06:01] Unknown:
Well, thank you. Yeah. I I'm a bit of a record collector and I've studied the history of the recording, the the medium of recording the the flat disc audio, you know, the record the record, the old records from Thomas Edison up to the present day. And I know that Frank Sinatra had a big hand to play in the recording industry, and it's been interesting studying it and getting to know those those old records. I prefer those old 78s. I collect them, And I also collect the 4 the 40 fives, the jukebox style, you know, with the big hole. That's great. I do exactly the same thing
[00:06:43] John Barbour:
because my wife was a professional singer. She used to sing with her old father, Hines, who as you might know, used to be part of the Louis Armstrong sextet, and he didn't like Louis' lifestyle, so he moved to San Francisco, created a big band. He's the guy that discovered Sarah Vaughan and Billy Eckstine and my wife. And my wife still sings like a bird, so I have all that. Listen, I must tell you quite honestly, if I had born been born with a modicum of musical talent, I would have never written a word. I would have done nothing but just sing and play the piano or the guitar, but I didn't have that gift.
And other gifts that I had, I didn't even know I had. I mean, I didn't even begin writing or writing jokes until until I was past 30 for crying out loud. But, in any event, do you recall the Rat Pack singing high hopes?
[00:07:46] Unknown:
I I actually don't. I don't. Oh my god. I I know there are tons of recordings that I haven't heard even though I've I've gone back and heard an awful lot of them, but there it's a lot of this stuff is way before my time. I'm I'm about 41 years old. I know you're about 90 years old, and it's great. It's great. I I wanna tell you, I I I lived with my grandfather up until a couple years ago when he passed away at 94, and I lived with him for about 10 years. And during that time, I got to learn an awful lot. He was born in 1928 and lived quite the life.
[00:08:23] John Barbour:
So, yeah. Yeah. It's I I feel I feel that, my wife and I have lived through the golden years of America, which is from the early sixties till the late 6 seventies. But now I think America is over with and it's never going to come back. I don't know that it was necessarily great, at any time or other, except when they wrote the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. As Gore B'dahl once said that the Constitution and Bill of Rights were written by Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin and a handful of the smartest men in America, and they haven't been heard from since, which is so true.
So wherever you wanna begin this conversation, if you want to begin it, how I happened to end up accidentally meeting Sinatra and becoming his writer and closest friend for four and a half years. As a matter of fact, if you go to YouTube, my YouTube channel, which is www.johnbarbrasworld.com, you will see when Sannathra hosts The Tonight Show, I was the first person he brought on to do a stand up.
[00:09:47] Unknown:
I have seen that. Yeah. That's that's that's wonderful.
[00:09:51] John Barbour:
Did have you seen it? Yeah. I've seen it. Yeah. And, then also, when I started to do stand up, my wife, of course, she's singing with Earl Hines. They call him Earl Father Hines because he's the father of modern jazz, piano player, Pianist is an absolute artist. And, so most of my wife's friends were black. And she was the one who introduced me to Dick Gregory. And Dick, Dick, she introduced me to Dick Gregory, who did the album notes in my first album, which was called It's Tough to be White. And if you go to that site now, excerpts from that album are more pertinent and more hilarious now than they were then. But the most important person she introduced me to was Redd Foxx.
And she didn't understand Redd Foxx's humor because it was filthy, he did these party records. And he became my mentor. This black, successful, salacious, dirty comic became my mentor, and he was my only lifelong friend in show business. So that when I ended up getting, again by accident, my very first talk show, which is on channel 11 in Los Angeles, the first person I the second person I booked on as a guest was Redd Foxx. And Redd's name is John Sanford. This appearance led to Norman Lear seeing him, and Norman Lear had bought the Zinglish show called Steptoe and Son, by the junk dealer, and changed it to Sanford, Sanford and Son because that's, that's Red's real name.
And Red picked the name Fred because his older brother, whom he loved, died, and it was a tribute to his, his brother. So I've, I've met some of the most amazing, amazing, talented, meaningful people and artists and human beings whoever existed in this country.
[00:12:27] Unknown:
I I know, and that's that's why I wanted to get ahold of you so bad when I was talking to Donald Jeffries. I I was like, oh, you gotta get get me get me in touch with John Barber. I wanna talk to him. I wanna I wanna pick this guy's brain because he's been through a lot and had some very interesting experiences. My first introduction to your work was your your talks with Jeff Rentz. Probably about 8 years ago, I started listening to Rentz. It was probably, what, 2012? So it's more than 8 years. Wow. So, yeah. And and I would hear you when you were beginning to get ready to put the book out. You were in the process of writing it, I think, at the time.
And I I I listened to quite a few of those. So
[00:13:14] John Barbour:
Well, again, that sort of happened by accident too. Because, after I did the Garrison tapes, I had offered the Garrison tapes, which won the San Sebastian Film Festival Award, the the very year that Oliver Stone's JFK came out. And it got great, even the Los Angeles Times gave it a 1 page rave review, but I could never find a distributor for it because there was too much truth in it about how the government murdered John Kennedy. Okay? So, anyway, I had offered it free to every so called assassination site. There were about 10 of them, and they were very prominent. And not one of them would accept it to play for their subscribers or their view their viewers for for whatever reason, I don't know. Maybe it was envy because I was chosen to be Jim Garrison's Boswell by Jim Garrison while he was on his deathbed rather than Oliver Stone.
When Oliver was making JFK, he told, he could not talk to mister Garrison because Jim was on his deathbed. So he docked to his daughter, Elizabeth, and said, Hey, listen. I also wanna make a documentary about your father. And she said, No. And he said, No. What do you mean no? This is Oliver Stone. I've won Oscars. She said, my father doesn't care because mister Barber lost 2 of the very best shows in American television trying to tell my father's story, and he only wants John Barber to be the Boswell to tell his, story. So anyway, I don't know why why I brought that up. I brought it up for some reason.
[00:15:20] Unknown:
Well, yeah. Because because that that your show was fairly pivotal, you know, you would have gone on to be Hang on. We're talking about rent. Rents, yeah. There were only 2 people, George Knapp,
[00:15:32] John Barbour:
who is the Sunday night host of Coast to Coast. During the week, it's hosted by the worst host in radio, who's George Noory, an unbelievable bore. But George Knapp is a fantastic one. Edward R. Murrow words for
[00:15:53] Unknown:
So much. Just just associate yourself and stop appropriating our culture. I'm gonna have to Give up the computer if you're fighting on. I'm gonna have to pause. Now give up the Internet. Give up recording music. Give up the motion picture. Give up your television, radio, camera, telephone, light bulb, automobile. That's the station. Satellites
[00:16:12] Unknown:
again, anything on the electronic. They're gonna be
[00:16:15] Unknown:
shockly, was pretty much a ringer. Mute that.
[00:16:20] Unknown:
That well, we're we're gonna go live on speak free. That's speak free radio. They're picking up our conversation at the top of the hour, I think, but not right now. So sorry for the rude interruption. I didn't mean mean for that to happen.
[00:16:38] John Barbour:
Anyway, back to the business of my film. George Knapp was the only one who would have me on his show on Sunday night, 8 or 10 years ago, to talk about the Garrison tapes, the film. And, later on, he could never have me on Sunday night again because George Nurey said if you have John Barber on again on Sunday night, I'm gonna fire you. So even though George is a very close friend of mine, he won't have me on. But the, the guy who was doing the computer work or the producing for Jeff Rents lived in Los Angeles when I was the most prominent film critic in America. I was the first one to review movies on television, on television news.
For 10 years, I was on I was the film critic for Los Angeles Magazine, tripled their circulation, and then I was 5 years the film critic on KNBC, where 3 years in a row, I won Emmys. I'm the only person in television who's won Emmys for both entertainment and news. But anyway, this fella was a fan of my reviews and he was producing Jeff's show. And he said, why don't you have John Barber on? And Jeff said, oh my god. You mean the guy that used to be the critic? And, and, his producer said, yeah. But he's also the guy that made the Garrison tapes, and Jeff didn't know about it.
So I got on and Jeff was telling me that all of his students in Santa Barbara, all his friends stopped Monday, Wednesday, and Friday at 6 o'clock when I was on the 6 o'clock news in LA, just to watch the reviews. And then we got around to talking about Jim Garrison, and he's so interested in the assassination because he's had lots of really good people on talking about the assassination. Well, after about 5 years, Patrick, I ran out of material about talking about the assassination. And I know hours and hours and hours of it, probably more than anybody alive except the actual killers. And so he said, but you know so many people in show business. So I started telling show business stories for 5 years. And he said, my god. You gotta get around to to writing a book.
And he pestered and pestered and pestered me, and who wouldn't be complimented by somebody who said, hey. You you should write a book, will you? I had done nothing but write jokes. And I wrote great jokes, but I didn't even know I could do that. I wrote them for myself. I wrote them for Sinatra. I wrote them for a number of people, including politician. And that's how I ended up writing my book, the book that you were reading now. And the title, Your Mother's Not a Virgin, comes from a conversation I had with mister Garrison. Would you like to hear about that conversation?
[00:20:01] Unknown:
Yes,
[00:20:02] John Barbour:
please. Okay. I was, oh my God. You you won't remember. There used to be a thing called the fairness doctrine in American television and radio. I've heard of it. Yeah. He it's a his long gone memory. Rush Limbaugh kinda killed it.
[00:20:20] Unknown:
No. It wasn't. Well, I mean, at the time at the time No. It was killed.
[00:20:25] John Barbour:
Listen, I'll tell you how. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Please. It wasn't killed over any talk show host, believe me. Okay. Because there are just dozens and dozens of just horrible talk show hosts right now. That would never happen if there was a fairness doctrine. You see, when I quite by accident. Okay. It's 1970, and, because of the fairness doctrine and something called equal time, 20,000 Tricanos were parading against city hall and against the LA Times and against ABC's radio state, television station in LA, challenging their license for not having enough Hispanic or Chicano representation on the air.
So they decided that they were gonna kill the cartoons in the morning movies that they ran. And they were gonna do a an hour and a half live show as a SOP to the Federal Communications Commission. And I forget his name offhand, but you will read it in the book. He was one of the most handsome men in America. He was Latino, and he spoke a half a dozen languages, including Chinese and Russian, but he was Latino primarily. He was the most popular Latino in Los Angeles Television, but he did mostly commercials and announcing. That's what that's, he had this magnificent Orson Welles voice.
Anyway, one day, I'm in a club, called the Ice House in Pasadena with Steve Martin. And I'm doing my act, and Steve is doing his act. And I get off stage, and he rushes over to me and he says, John, I just left ABC. They're gonna do a morning news show. You should go over and audition for a guy named Brad Lachman. And I said, why would I do that? He said, well, because they're looking for hosts. And I said, listen, his name was Mario Machado. Machado. Thank God I remembered the name. Because I have so much to think. And I said to him, Mario, you're everybody's ethnic.
That show is yours for the asking. And he said to me, Patrick, he said, John, I can read great, but I can't ad lib. And he said, most of your jokes are about politics, and you can talk on your feet standing up, and I'm sure you can do it sitting down. Here's Brad Lachman's phone number. Call him. So I went over, I auditioned against 40 very prominent actors in television and in movies. And I got the job. I ended up getting the job. And Mary was the first to applaud and cheer me on. I mean, it was just amazing. So again, that's by accident. So that's when I started doing film reviews. And like everyone in America, I was like Jim Garrison. When, you know, Jim Garrison was an FBI agent.
He was a lieutenant colonel in the Air Force. He was one of the people who was at Dachau when they liberated these death camps built by the Nazis, and very conservative or independent. He believed the government. Okay? And I believed the government. But I was I'm a street kid. I was abandoned by my mother and father when I was 6. Born as Salvation Army, Charity Ward in Toronto. And I ran away to America when I was 17 to be I I always said to my friends, the few friends that I had, there's something fishy about the murder of John Kennedy. There's just something fishy about it. And they I lost a number of friends. How dare you doubt the government? How dare you doubt, you know, all the talking heads on Walter Cronkite and Dan Rather. How dare you doubt them? Okay. Huntley and Brinkley. How dare you doubt them? I said there's still something fishy about this whole thing. Oswald and then Oswald being shot for god's sake by Ruby. There's something fishy about that to keep that guy at a court.
So in any event, one day I'm in a bookstore and it's called Edmonds Bookstore on Hollywood Boulevard and it's called the Heritage of Stone, the book. And the author is Jim Garrison. So I thought, hold it, is that guy, the DA in New Orleans, so pick it up. And, Patrick, I stand there for 4 hours reading it, and I'm reading material that I have never heard of before about how they had to sue Time Life to get the Zapruder film so he could show the jury. And the film that they sent to him at they had to go to the Supreme Court to get a ruling on that. And the film that Time Life sent him was so blurry, they couldn't look at it. And he had to send one of his investigators, a guy named Steve Jaffe, to Paris and got from De Gaulle the finished Zapruder film to show the galleries. Okay. And then there was a forensic pathologist who said there was no autopsy because guys in uniform stopped it. And one of them was probably Curtis LeMay, a guy who so hated Kennedy, and Kennedy hated him because Curtis LeMay wanted to nuke Vietnam.
And John Kennedy wanted to withdraw the 12,000 advisors that Eisenhower had put there. Anyway, so I decide this is one of the greatest stories I've ever read. And I grew up, Patrick, on storytelling. I had no family in my life, so I would listen to the radio. I would go to the library. I was reading books from the time I was 6 years of age. I memorized Edgar Rice Burroughs and thought at 16, I would go to Africa and swing through the trees like Tarzan. I was a voracious reader. I survived on stories, and I decided I wanted to be a storyteller when I grew up, and I fell in love with television because I saw Jack Parr, the greatest late night talk show host in history, better than Carson or all of them all put together, who was a magnificent storyteller.
But in order to tell these stories and to have guests who could tell these stories, he first became a stand up comic. That's why I became a comic, which inadvertently led me to this morning's show. So I thought, I'm gonna call mister Garrison. So I get up early one morning, it's about 6 o'clock in the morning. It's 9 o'clock in New Orleans, and I call the DA's office, and this deep bass, baritone voice answers. And I said, could I speak to mister Garrison, please? And he said, this is he. And I thought, oh my gosh. Mister Garrison, this is John Barber. I am hosting a, 90 minute live morning show in Los Angeles, and I just finished reading your book. And Patrick, he interrupted me. He said, oh, John, you must be the other one. I only sold 2.
I mean, who couldn't love a guy with a sense of humor like that? But actually it was a best seller. And so I said to him, Listen, I will interview you for a half an hour, then I will open the phones because everybody in listening, within listening or viewing distance will wanna talk to you. And he said, No, you won't. And I said, what do you mean no, I won't? I certainly will. He said, because they won't have you on. Have you ever seen me on television by myself? And I said, no. This will be the first time. He said, There will never be a first time for me to speak freely on American television.
And I said, Well, you're gonna speak freely, honestly. And I explained to him why I had just won my first Emmy. And he howled. He said, Oh, you said your first Emmy? You plan on winning some more? Well, that came about because I gave a platform to Muhammad Ali, who nobody wanted on the air because he wouldn't go and kill yellow people in Asia because he thought whites are more of a threat to him here. And now everybody thinks Muhammad Ali is a hero, but he wasn't. In 1970, 95 percent of all Americans wanted him dead, in jail, or in a grave. I mean, people, pardon me.
I I don't know if you I don't think you swear because you just went to church today. But I must say Go ahead, John. Go ahead. Okay. I will be modest about this. I talked about this. People asked me about it when I was a critic. They asked me, well, do you inter when you review a movie, do you use your mind? Do you use your heart? Do you use your soul to interpret what the movie is? And I says, no. I watch a movie with my ass. And if my ass moves, I use my mind to try to tell me what my ass is saying. And I say this to you quite honestly, Movies are a lot like people.
99 out of a 100 are absolute shit. But the other one is fertilizer that makes going through the 99 that are shit, be it a movie or be it a person, makes life worthwhile. It's the good people in life. It's the talents, it's the artists in life. Because you see now, in America, it is hopelessly over. I couldn't, you know, when I came here, I could name you 50 people that I idolized. And one of them was Fulton Sheen. And Fulton, you know who he was? Oh yeah, I was gonna ask you about him. Okay, Fulton Sheen was a bishop, an archbishop, a Catholic arch bishop in New York. And the most successful television show at the time was the Milton Berle show, whom I loved. I never missed him, you know? He was a comic. He made me laugh.
But he was beat out by this Catholic Bishop, and I never missed him either because I loved the way that he could tell stories. Oh, I knew 50 people like this when I came to, this country whom I could I could only probably name you 2 or 3 today who are not even in public life. Ralph Nader, one of the greatest public servants in American history, trashed by this culture. Julian Assange, who's not even an American for God's sake, who revealed to America the criminality and the the crimes committed by the Pentagon in foreign countries. And what it is that the United States is trying to do is get them back to this country so they can execute them.
America is over with, but some of the individuals in it are not. Anyway, back to mister Garrison. So he agrees to come on the show. And then he says to me, John, you know, it's been just only 4 to 6 years since they published the Warren report. It was published in 'sixty four or 'sixty six, and I'm doing a show in 1970. And he said, you know, they had Harris had a poll. And the poll said that 82% of all Americans do not believe that Lee Harvey Oswald either did it by himself or did it at all. He had to have an accomplice. And so I said, mister Garrison, if it's 82%, why aren't they storming the barricades of bullshit in Washington?
And he started to laugh. He said, oh, John. I love a guy like you who speak my language. He said you didn't hear the second question. And he I said, what was the second question of the poll? He said the second question was, would you like to see a deeper, more thorough investigation into the murder of John Kennedy in which those people who are interrogated and brought to court or brought before a grand jury are the FBI and the CIA. And I said, oh, wow. That's pretty daring. And he said, well and I said, so what was the percentage there? 60, 70? He said 22.
I said, are you kidding? And he says, what does that say about us Americans as heroes or cowards? And I said to him, mister Garrison, I'll tell you what, I know what my mother and father did in the rumble seat of the car, on the pool table, in the back alley or at the bedroom to conceive me. But do not ever tell me my mother is not a virgin. And he howled. He said, My God, that sounds like something Mark Twain would say. He said, You know, a 100 years ago, Mark Twain said, if you don't read the newspapers, you are uninformed.
If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed. And he said, It's easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled. And America has been fooled by this government ever since they created the security state and the CIA. Harry Truman, in 1947. And on his deathbed, Harry Truman said the greatest mistake I ever made was creating the Central Intelligence Agency. So Wow. That's how the title of the book came about.
[00:36:04] Unknown:
Well, I it reminds me of of I've been reading about the history of the recorded audio, and there's this technician that used to work for Thomas Edison who later worked with Emil Berliner. His name was Fred Geisberg, and he later went on to London to start Abbey Road Studio. Oh, wow. And during World War 1, this is interesting, they would take and they would rec they would capture an enemy musician, and they would record him playing his songs in his language, and then they would make record copies of it and hand it out all along the trenches, and then they would play it on the gramophone to ambush people.
And and some of these recordings that were made, they they later on, it's part of the Versailles treaty. They would then take they they took, I think the British ended up with all of those recordings at the end of the war, but they would since it was such a new technology, a lot of people were fooled into leaving their trenches thinking, hey. This this is on our side. This is somebody speaking my language singing our songs, and they would they would then get ambushed. They'd either kill them or capture them. Oh my god. That is so interesting. I have a quick question for you. You said you went to church
[00:37:24] John Barbour:
today. I don't care to ask you about what denomination or anything like that. Catholic. What do you think about the fact that Donald Trump is going around hoxering bibles, I think, for $99 a copy. So what do you think about that? I I think
[00:37:41] Unknown:
I I really I remember when he first ran or when he first announced he ran, it was like this first meeting with Fred Luntz or whoever does the polls. He he said, the Bible is my second favorite book behind the art of the deal, so I think he's got a lot of I think he's got a lot of pride
[00:38:05] John Barbour:
in in that. And, Well, let me tell you something. It might be his 2 favorite books, but he never authored either one of them. And probably the reason he's huckster ing the Bible, he mistakenly thinks it's autobiographical about the life of Jesus, about him. And, when I years and years, it was around it was just before the time he even announced he was running. First of all, I bumped into him and grew to detest him when I was a regular on the Merv Griffin show in the late sixties in New York City. There was a white girl who was raped savagely and torn to pieces and, of course, died.
And 5 blacks were arrested, and Donald Trump bought ads in every one of New York's newspapers. Now at that time, he's just a builder. Right? And he demands that they be executed immediately, taken out into the backyard and shot, never even getting to trial. A month and a half later, they find the one person who committed the crime, And Donald Trump never once apologized to these 5 young men, black young men, or their families who were terrorized for months by gangs for what that son of a bitch wrote. And when I got my very first show, one of the guests I booked is this brilliant young lady, who when she got out of university, wanted to become an investigative journalist.
And one of the things she was interested in were people with money because that's what built America is people with money. I mean, George Washington was married to the wealthiest woman in America. And that's the only thing that Americans seem to live for is money. And, you know, you had the lifestyle is rich and famous and all kinds of shows like that, which were very successful. So since she was in New York, and there was this fake publicist who always talked about how glorious Donald Trump was, and how rich he was, and how big his empire was gonna be. And she thought, well, you know what?
I'll do a documentary about him. So in doing the documentary about him, she discovers that he is the fake, he is the fake publicist. He's doing his own publicity. And then beyond that, he discovers scores and scores of people who do artwork or curtain work or table work or light work for his casinos and never get paid. And so she ended up doing an hour and a half documentary about the greatest crook in New York City. He took her to court. She could not show that film for 15 years. And I had her on the show. I was the only one who would put her on people who were so afraid of Donald Trump, she couldn't get on anybody's show. But I put her put her on the show. She played excerpts of the, of of of that particular film.
And, and so I I it is beyond me. Absolutely totally beyond me. How anybody could be Listen, nearly every election in America is fixed, including the best president we ever had since Thomas Jefferson, and that's John Kennedy. I mean, Joseph Kennedy was a friend of the mafia in Chicago, because he was a bootlegger during the Depression. And that's how he got rich. And he bought Paramount Studios so he could bang Glorious Swanson. That's the kind of stock that John Kennedy came from, okay? And so Sam Giancana and the boys in Chicago went to Kentucky and got all the minor, minors to vote for John Kennedy and he barely won that election. So you might say that election was fair, But the owners of the country didn't know that he would turn out to be like Thomas Jefferson.
And from the time he started, they worked to get rid of him. They worked to assassinate John Kennedy. So, and if you go to, Amazon for $2 and you get the American media and the second assassination of President John F. Kennedy, you will be absolutely blown away by all the facts you'll learn about how the government did it and who did it. And John, and and and poor Jim Garrison, for God's sake, believing the government, he accidentally meets a congressman who was the only dissenting member of the Warren Report, and that was Hale Boggs. Does that name ring a bell to you? Yeah. I've heard the name, but I couldn't tell you any of his biography. Of course. So Hale Boog was the only descending member of the Warren Commission. But you can't find his descent anywhere in the Warren Commission.
And he accidentally meets Jim on the plane. And Hale Boggs says, you know, Jim, you know I'm a good hunter. And I take a look at that Italian called a with a crooked scope. That kid couldn't kill a dead rabbit for God's sake. So Garrison said, You mean? And Hillbog said, That's right. You have nothing to do with it. So Jim went out and bought 3 sets of the 26 volumes. But one set his home, one set in the automobile, one set in his office, and memorized it. And the reason he had to investigate New Orleans because that's where Oswald lived at one time. And investigating that, he found Clay Shaw, David Ferri and all these people involved with the assassination working for the Central Intelligence Agency.
So, and then as far as Hale Boggs goes, Hale Boggs went before Congress. Before Congress. And Patrick says, We have to get rid of J. Edgar Hoover. He lied to us about the murder of Martin Luther King and John F. Kennedy. And we have to have a new investigation into both of those crimes, and we have to investigate without the help of the Central Intelligence Agency, or we have to investigate without the help of the FBI. And you can read that in the Congressional Record. Now, a couple of minutes later, he has driven to a private plane. The plane flows, flies to Alaska and blows up in the air.
They never find him at the plane again. And guess who drives him to the airport?
[00:46:18] Unknown:
Who?
[00:46:20] John Barbour:
Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton and his wife were recruited by the CIA when they were in university in Arkansas or wherever the hell that they are from, okay? And gave him, sent him to Oxford to become so called Rhodes Scholar so he could spy on students. He, Bill Clinton is absolutely the worst president in the history of the United States. Now this is not an opinion. I never, like Jim Garrison, I never ever deal in opinion. I only deal in facts. First of all, when it comes to, the, fairness doctrine, The reason we have no more fairness doctrine, when I was doing, interviewing Muhammad Ali, who was against the war, I had to peep have people on like Bob Hope who were for the war. Okay? I had a, Republican on. I had to have a Democrat. I had to have a socialist. Anyway, Jim Garrison is getting so much press and so much public support, even though he's being hammered by every media and the, every governmental, outfit in America, the public believed him.
And they were trying to literally kill him or kill his character. And there was a producer at NBC who was assigned by the CIA and the FBI to get Jim Garrison's lead witness. His name was Perry Raymond Russo. And he was with Clay Shaw and Lee Harvey Oswald and David Ferri at a gay party when they were talking about triangulation to shoot John Kennedy in crossfire from the tall building. Okay? So when when Garrison heard about all this, the first person he wanted to talk to was David Ferri. On a stormy night, went to Dallas in a storm the night before the assassination because he was one of the pilots who flew one of the assassins out of there. And that was the first guy he wanted to rest. But guess what? David Ferri dies of suicide and leaves 2 typed suicide notes. But so he won't be, so there won't be any more suicides, he has to arrest Clay Shaw, who was Lee Harvey Oswald's handler.
So that's why he rushes to arrest, Clay Shaw. And the story in the movie is absolutely beyond belief. How he absolutely and totally solves this particular crime. There was something else I wanted to bring up. Oh, yeah. When that happened, NBC sent this producer to, New Orleans to see Perry Raymond Russo and get him out of Garrison's jurisdiction. So they get Perry and they ask him, where would he like to live if he could live anywhere in the world? He said, Oh, I'd love to go to California and live in Los Angeles. What kind of job would you like? He said, Well, I only know insurance. You have a job for $50,000 a year, 1,000 a week in Los Angeles.
And Perry said, Are you kidding? No. Here's the contract. You just had to leave and go and the job is yours. So Perry's a little nervous. And he agrees to re meet this guy. And Perry calls and goes to see mister Garrison. Mister Garrison says, will you wear a wire? Perry wears a wire. So now they have NBC, CIA and the FBI and the person of this fucking producer trying to bribe the most important witness in the most important murder in the history of America. And of course, Jim has this, and he wins. So what he's gonna do, he is going to get them into a court and see that NBC loses their license and that producer and the head of NBC go to prison. Now, do you think that's gonna happen in America?
No, it is not. What they weekly do because of the fairness coughedrine, they give them a half an hour, late night, some of which you can see in my documentary, where he proves Oswald had nothing to do with it. It was a central intelligence agency which murdered the President of the United States on the order of wealthy families who own the country. And so when that happened, Ronald Reagan, president of the United States, oh my god, we can't have this kind of truth on television. As Jack Nicholson said, looking in America, you can't handle the truth. They killed the fairness doctrine, and it's gone.
There is no free press in America. I got back Get back to Bill Clinton. He created that 2,008 recession because he killed the Glass Steagall Act. Have you ever heard of it? Yeah. Okay. Tell the audience what it was.
[00:52:17] Unknown:
Well, the Glass Steagall Act, I've heard of it, but can you what
[00:52:24] John Barbour:
when it came about after the Federal Reserve Act, I believe. Well, it well, actually, it came about as a result of the depression in the thirties.
[00:52:33] Unknown:
Right, which was caused by the federalism. It was initiated
[00:52:38] John Barbour:
by the socialist vice president of the United States and signed by FDR into law. It was a law prohibiting Wall Street to gamble, the way they did in 2,008. It was repealed by Bill Clinton. Now, the other worst thing, the worst thing that ever happened to America, more important than any president in history, and I include John Kennedy, I include George Washington, and the best of them all, Thomas Jefferson. Every one of them said, no president is more important than a free press. And guess what? Bill Clinton signs the Communications Act in 1996.
When John Kennedy was alive, there were 1500 different owners of media in America, television stations, radio stations, newspaper station. If you had a television station, you couldn't have more than 5 or 7. If you had a newspaper, you couldn't have more than 5 or he signed that saying, it's over with. And now look at you have Iheartradio and other they have thousands of radio stations, and they're all programmed in either New York or Los Angeles. So if there's an accident or a major disaster in POTOM, there's no reporter to report it. Yeah. John And that's Bill Clinton. John, I The other thing he did is because they repealed the draft.
And the reason they repealed the draft, because in the, Vietnam War, middle aged and wealthy young men were coming home in body bags. So people with money said, hey, I don't wanna see my son or daughter coming home in a body bag. There's gonna be no more draft. Well, how do we get soldiers? Well, you get rid of jobs. What What do you mean get rid of jobs? You send them overseas. So Bill Clinton signed NAFTA and he was warned by the guy from Texas who ran as an independent. I can't think offhand. Ross Perot. Ross Perot. He said, if you elect this guy president, America's done with because everything will be manufactured overseas.
I lost a $1,000,000 home on a golf course because of Bill Clinton. And millions of other Americans lost homes, maybe not worth quite that much because of Bill Clinton. Now, you go to my site and you Google the 10 and a half worst president in American history, you won't find Donald Trump up there. And I'm not a fan of Trump as you just heard. The worst is Bill Clinton. He destroyed America. George Bush destroyed Iraq. Every sensible human being in the country knew there were no weapons of mass destruction. Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.
There is no democracy in America. And why every day that you've got people on radio and television, not so much on the internet, MSNBC, CNN, CBS News, NBC, talking about the threat to democracy in America. The threat is that democracy might return to America, where the people really are, a government of the people, instead of government of corporations and by corporations and for corporations. America is done with. But it would have never been done with if they had not murdered John Kennedy.
[00:56:45] Unknown:
I agree. John, I I wanna tell you some serendipity stories. You you're mentioning that at the beginning of our our little conversation here. And, you you remember will William Cooper? Yo. Yes. Listen to him a lot. Yeah. Yeah. I I know that he had some weird theory about the Zapruder film that, is kind of far out there, you know, at Yeah. At a certain point. About the drivers. Yeah. Yeah. That but at the same time, I had friends through through family that got me set up that were friends with Bill Cooper. And they set me up with a small micro FM radio station in my hometown.
Oh, great. And I had that going, but it was mysteriously, burned down by arson, I believe. Oh my god.
[00:57:38] John Barbour:
Oh, god.
[00:57:40] Unknown:
That that does not surprise me, though. It it doesn't you know, at first, it surprised me when people were telling me, yeah, that could have been arson. And and then as time's gone on, I I kind of think, yeah, it it probably might not have been such a, you know, a Farfetch thing to have happened. And another thing I wanted to tell you, there's about, so my grandpa, he lived with me for 10 years, and he told me some stories. His family is related to Charles Lindbergh in Little Falls, Minnesota. Oh, how many years? His last name was Lafond, and his great aunt was married to Charles senior, his the senator from Minnesota. And he's the one that did the minority, the minor minority view on the Federal Reserve Act when that was passed when they pushed in the basically the Federal Reserve Act is legalized.
You know, basically, like poker chips and gambling, you know, because the Oh, no. It's worse. Listen,
[00:58:43] John Barbour:
it's worse than that. What it is, you know? The Federal Reserve is not federal. It's owned by 6 private families. And the, Federal Reserve is, when we pay taxes, it's not to build bridges as you saw, because you just saw a bridge go down. Not to help the infrastructure, to help the police, or help education. It is interest paid to 6 private families for the money we borrow to fight fake wars. That is the Federal Reserve. And John Kennedy, have you ever heard of, Executive Order 0,11111?
[00:59:28] Unknown:
I believe so.
[00:59:30] John Barbour:
Well you'll have to refresh my memory or Okay. For our audience's sake. What it is, and then we're gonna be done. It's funny, we're just getting started, so we're not Yeah. We'll have to do this again sometime, John. Well, we'll do it again. Yeah. But let me tell you what that was. In 1963, let's say, your little radio station burns down and you wanna rebuild it, you could borrow money and it would be 23 to 25%, which you would pay to your bank, which in essence really goes to the Federal Reserve. John Kennedy wanted to get rid of the Federal Reserve.
So he signed Executive Order 0,111,111. It's in the documentary. You can see it, where it calls for the United States Treasury as mandated by the Constitution to print our money. And the interest would only be 1 a half percent. That meant if you wanted to rebuild your radio station, you could borrow $20,000 easily, and all you have to pay back is 1 a half percent. How long do you think the Federal Reserve would last? It wouldn't last a year. No. At noon, when it was pronounced that John Kennedy was dead from a gunshot to the right temple, the presses stopped printing that money.
Bang. They shut down the presses. They pulled the trigger on the presses. So, that is how dumbed down America has become and how dis interested in America, Americans have become and in try and tie and trying to restore some kind of sanity to this country because so many of them are under your age of 41, that they never experienced really bright, brilliant people in public life. And they're never taught it in history.
[01:01:41] Unknown:
No. It's in and it's on purpose. It's there's a definite purpose to keep people ignorant.
[01:01:46] John Barbour:
It you know, somebody wrote a an art an essay that was brilliant. It's and it was called entertaining us to death. And that's what it is that they're doing. It's bread and circuses. Bread and circus. I must say, Patrick, I really enjoyed this hour with you and we will do it again. My wife is just back from the hospital. She was there for 2 weeks and I have to take a lot of, I have to do everything for her. So I don't know. It's understood. That's because you were recommended by Donald Jeffries, who I really, really admire a lot, a very dear friend. So that's
[01:02:31] Unknown:
why I did it. But I so enjoyed talking to you that we will do it again maybe in a month or 2 when my wife is feeling better. Yeah. I have I have lots that I wanna talk to you about as well. So it's it's it's quite good that you were here and we could do this together. And I I pray that your your wife gets well soon, and, I just wanted to make one little comment about the bread and circuses before we go. After Jesus died on the cross, I think it was the year 70 AD, the temple was destroyed in Jerusalem. And the Romans took the temple piece by piece of the destroyed temple, and they brought it back to Rome and they used the pieces to build the Colosseum.
And I think that's kind of where we've become what where we're at here after after that event. So it's quite something, and I wanna just read one little scripture piece
[01:03:28] John Barbour:
Absolutely.
[01:03:29] Unknown:
Go ahead. From Ecclesiasticus. Now this is part of the Catholic Bible, not so much Protestant Bibles that was taken out. But here, what agreement shall the earthen pot have with the kettle? For if they knock one against the other it shall be broken. The rich man hath done wrong, and yet he will fume, But the poor man is wrong, and must hold his peace.
[01:03:54] John Barbour:
So I'll leave us with that. Well, you you wanna know something I memorize as you get into the book, you might realize I had memorized the Bible when I was 12 years of age, because I wanted to be adopted by a religious family because I had no family. And you'll understand why I lost. But, you know, John Kennedy's favorite poet was Robert Frost. And he said, this is what Robert Frost wanted to put on his gravestone. And I'm just delighted with it, so I'll repeat it. Dear god, please forgive all the little jokes I played on thee, and I'll forgive the great big one you played on me.
[01:04:54] Unknown:
Good one. Good one. Oh, baby. Alright. So I'm gonna I'm gonna have a great Easter. Yep. And may all your eggs be colorful. Alright. Thank you. Thank you, John. And I'm gonna play your your video, the American media and the second assassination of John f Kennedy after we're done here. Oh, that's wonderful. And I'll I'll play the play a tune and you can leave when you want, but I'm gonna start the tune now. Okay? You have a good one. God bless you. Talk to you later. Bye bye. Bye.
Welcome to my show. This is gonna be called I remember, and my name is Patrick Chenall. And it's Good Friday, 2024. And I have with me a special guest, John Barber in Las Vegas, Nevada. And we're gonna begin with a little song here, and then we'll we'll start the show.
[00:00:43] Unknown:
Just what makes that little old ant think he'll move that rubber tree plant? Anyone knows an ant can't move a rubber tree plant. But he's got
[00:00:59] Unknown:
high hopes.
[00:01:11] Unknown:
So anytime you're getting low, instead of letting go, just remember that ant. Oops, there goes another
[00:01:21] Unknown:
rubbery plant. There goes another rubbery plant. There goes another
[00:01:43] Unknown:
Once there was a silly old ram, thought he'd punch a hole in our dam. No one could make that ram scram. He kept butting that damn because he had.
[00:01:58] Unknown:
I hope sick, he had. I hope sick, he had.
[00:02:10] Unknown:
So anytime you're feeling bad, instead of feeling sad, just remember that ram. Oops. There goes a 1,000,000,000,
[00:02:21] Unknown:
kilowatt Alright. I'd look oh, hold on.
[00:03:12] Unknown:
Sorry for going back, folks. Probably cut this part out. Alright. John.
[00:03:20] John Barbour:
Don't edit that blunder out. I love the blunders. It's like vaudeville. You kinda stumble into it. Yeah. Okay. So I'm gonna tell you something. Yep. I do not believe much in anything, as you will find out. But I do believe in serendipity. And so I'm gonna tell you, you said it's a Good Friday. Well, any day that I'm talking to you, Patrick, is a good day. It's an even better day when I get to be talking about, Jim Garrison, his, his solved and sabotage investigation into the murder of John Kennedy. It's a great day when I get to be talking about John Kennedy, and a good day to be talking about Frank Sinatra.
And it is serendipity that you played that song. As I know you're reading my book and you probably haven't come to the part where I become Frank Sinatra's private writer for four and a half years, which happened by accident. As a matter of fact, Patrick, all the wonderful amazing things that have happened to me in my life, and there are plenty of them, have happened by accident. And even though I am a non believer, somehow or another, you will read passages in my book where I say, Somebody comes into my life and improves my life personally and professionally, and it's like divine intervention.
And I call it serendipity. But you wanna know, this song is called High Hopes. In a long conversation I had with Frances, when I was planning on doing a 5 hour documentary, an autobiography, a visual autobiography, the first in the history of television about one of America's greatest, most influential performers, who was Frank Sinatra. I mentioned to him, if he and the Rat Pack had not sung high hopes for John Kennedy, he would not have gone to the Oval Office in Washington DC. So that's really interesting. And it's serendipity that you start this conversation with me with that delightful, delightful song, He's Got High Hopes.
[00:06:01] Unknown:
Well, thank you. Yeah. I I'm a bit of a record collector and I've studied the history of the recording, the the medium of recording the the flat disc audio, you know, the record the record, the old records from Thomas Edison up to the present day. And I know that Frank Sinatra had a big hand to play in the recording industry, and it's been interesting studying it and getting to know those those old records. I prefer those old 78s. I collect them, And I also collect the 4 the 40 fives, the jukebox style, you know, with the big hole. That's great. I do exactly the same thing
[00:06:43] John Barbour:
because my wife was a professional singer. She used to sing with her old father, Hines, who as you might know, used to be part of the Louis Armstrong sextet, and he didn't like Louis' lifestyle, so he moved to San Francisco, created a big band. He's the guy that discovered Sarah Vaughan and Billy Eckstine and my wife. And my wife still sings like a bird, so I have all that. Listen, I must tell you quite honestly, if I had born been born with a modicum of musical talent, I would have never written a word. I would have done nothing but just sing and play the piano or the guitar, but I didn't have that gift.
And other gifts that I had, I didn't even know I had. I mean, I didn't even begin writing or writing jokes until until I was past 30 for crying out loud. But, in any event, do you recall the Rat Pack singing high hopes?
[00:07:46] Unknown:
I I actually don't. I don't. Oh my god. I I know there are tons of recordings that I haven't heard even though I've I've gone back and heard an awful lot of them, but there it's a lot of this stuff is way before my time. I'm I'm about 41 years old. I know you're about 90 years old, and it's great. It's great. I I wanna tell you, I I I lived with my grandfather up until a couple years ago when he passed away at 94, and I lived with him for about 10 years. And during that time, I got to learn an awful lot. He was born in 1928 and lived quite the life.
[00:08:23] John Barbour:
So, yeah. Yeah. It's I I feel I feel that, my wife and I have lived through the golden years of America, which is from the early sixties till the late 6 seventies. But now I think America is over with and it's never going to come back. I don't know that it was necessarily great, at any time or other, except when they wrote the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. As Gore B'dahl once said that the Constitution and Bill of Rights were written by Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin and a handful of the smartest men in America, and they haven't been heard from since, which is so true.
So wherever you wanna begin this conversation, if you want to begin it, how I happened to end up accidentally meeting Sinatra and becoming his writer and closest friend for four and a half years. As a matter of fact, if you go to YouTube, my YouTube channel, which is www.johnbarbrasworld.com, you will see when Sannathra hosts The Tonight Show, I was the first person he brought on to do a stand up.
[00:09:47] Unknown:
I have seen that. Yeah. That's that's that's wonderful.
[00:09:51] John Barbour:
Did have you seen it? Yeah. I've seen it. Yeah. And, then also, when I started to do stand up, my wife, of course, she's singing with Earl Hines. They call him Earl Father Hines because he's the father of modern jazz, piano player, Pianist is an absolute artist. And, so most of my wife's friends were black. And she was the one who introduced me to Dick Gregory. And Dick, Dick, she introduced me to Dick Gregory, who did the album notes in my first album, which was called It's Tough to be White. And if you go to that site now, excerpts from that album are more pertinent and more hilarious now than they were then. But the most important person she introduced me to was Redd Foxx.
And she didn't understand Redd Foxx's humor because it was filthy, he did these party records. And he became my mentor. This black, successful, salacious, dirty comic became my mentor, and he was my only lifelong friend in show business. So that when I ended up getting, again by accident, my very first talk show, which is on channel 11 in Los Angeles, the first person I the second person I booked on as a guest was Redd Foxx. And Redd's name is John Sanford. This appearance led to Norman Lear seeing him, and Norman Lear had bought the Zinglish show called Steptoe and Son, by the junk dealer, and changed it to Sanford, Sanford and Son because that's, that's Red's real name.
And Red picked the name Fred because his older brother, whom he loved, died, and it was a tribute to his, his brother. So I've, I've met some of the most amazing, amazing, talented, meaningful people and artists and human beings whoever existed in this country.
[00:12:27] Unknown:
I I know, and that's that's why I wanted to get ahold of you so bad when I was talking to Donald Jeffries. I I was like, oh, you gotta get get me get me in touch with John Barber. I wanna talk to him. I wanna I wanna pick this guy's brain because he's been through a lot and had some very interesting experiences. My first introduction to your work was your your talks with Jeff Rentz. Probably about 8 years ago, I started listening to Rentz. It was probably, what, 2012? So it's more than 8 years. Wow. So, yeah. And and I would hear you when you were beginning to get ready to put the book out. You were in the process of writing it, I think, at the time.
And I I I listened to quite a few of those. So
[00:13:14] John Barbour:
Well, again, that sort of happened by accident too. Because, after I did the Garrison tapes, I had offered the Garrison tapes, which won the San Sebastian Film Festival Award, the the very year that Oliver Stone's JFK came out. And it got great, even the Los Angeles Times gave it a 1 page rave review, but I could never find a distributor for it because there was too much truth in it about how the government murdered John Kennedy. Okay? So, anyway, I had offered it free to every so called assassination site. There were about 10 of them, and they were very prominent. And not one of them would accept it to play for their subscribers or their view their viewers for for whatever reason, I don't know. Maybe it was envy because I was chosen to be Jim Garrison's Boswell by Jim Garrison while he was on his deathbed rather than Oliver Stone.
When Oliver was making JFK, he told, he could not talk to mister Garrison because Jim was on his deathbed. So he docked to his daughter, Elizabeth, and said, Hey, listen. I also wanna make a documentary about your father. And she said, No. And he said, No. What do you mean no? This is Oliver Stone. I've won Oscars. She said, my father doesn't care because mister Barber lost 2 of the very best shows in American television trying to tell my father's story, and he only wants John Barber to be the Boswell to tell his, story. So anyway, I don't know why why I brought that up. I brought it up for some reason.
[00:15:20] Unknown:
Well, yeah. Because because that that your show was fairly pivotal, you know, you would have gone on to be Hang on. We're talking about rent. Rents, yeah. There were only 2 people, George Knapp,
[00:15:32] John Barbour:
who is the Sunday night host of Coast to Coast. During the week, it's hosted by the worst host in radio, who's George Noory, an unbelievable bore. But George Knapp is a fantastic one. Edward R. Murrow words for
[00:15:53] Unknown:
So much. Just just associate yourself and stop appropriating our culture. I'm gonna have to Give up the computer if you're fighting on. I'm gonna have to pause. Now give up the Internet. Give up recording music. Give up the motion picture. Give up your television, radio, camera, telephone, light bulb, automobile. That's the station. Satellites
[00:16:12] Unknown:
again, anything on the electronic. They're gonna be
[00:16:15] Unknown:
shockly, was pretty much a ringer. Mute that.
[00:16:20] Unknown:
That well, we're we're gonna go live on speak free. That's speak free radio. They're picking up our conversation at the top of the hour, I think, but not right now. So sorry for the rude interruption. I didn't mean mean for that to happen.
[00:16:38] John Barbour:
Anyway, back to the business of my film. George Knapp was the only one who would have me on his show on Sunday night, 8 or 10 years ago, to talk about the Garrison tapes, the film. And, later on, he could never have me on Sunday night again because George Nurey said if you have John Barber on again on Sunday night, I'm gonna fire you. So even though George is a very close friend of mine, he won't have me on. But the, the guy who was doing the computer work or the producing for Jeff Rents lived in Los Angeles when I was the most prominent film critic in America. I was the first one to review movies on television, on television news.
For 10 years, I was on I was the film critic for Los Angeles Magazine, tripled their circulation, and then I was 5 years the film critic on KNBC, where 3 years in a row, I won Emmys. I'm the only person in television who's won Emmys for both entertainment and news. But anyway, this fella was a fan of my reviews and he was producing Jeff's show. And he said, why don't you have John Barber on? And Jeff said, oh my god. You mean the guy that used to be the critic? And, and, his producer said, yeah. But he's also the guy that made the Garrison tapes, and Jeff didn't know about it.
So I got on and Jeff was telling me that all of his students in Santa Barbara, all his friends stopped Monday, Wednesday, and Friday at 6 o'clock when I was on the 6 o'clock news in LA, just to watch the reviews. And then we got around to talking about Jim Garrison, and he's so interested in the assassination because he's had lots of really good people on talking about the assassination. Well, after about 5 years, Patrick, I ran out of material about talking about the assassination. And I know hours and hours and hours of it, probably more than anybody alive except the actual killers. And so he said, but you know so many people in show business. So I started telling show business stories for 5 years. And he said, my god. You gotta get around to to writing a book.
And he pestered and pestered and pestered me, and who wouldn't be complimented by somebody who said, hey. You you should write a book, will you? I had done nothing but write jokes. And I wrote great jokes, but I didn't even know I could do that. I wrote them for myself. I wrote them for Sinatra. I wrote them for a number of people, including politician. And that's how I ended up writing my book, the book that you were reading now. And the title, Your Mother's Not a Virgin, comes from a conversation I had with mister Garrison. Would you like to hear about that conversation?
[00:20:01] Unknown:
Yes,
[00:20:02] John Barbour:
please. Okay. I was, oh my God. You you won't remember. There used to be a thing called the fairness doctrine in American television and radio. I've heard of it. Yeah. He it's a his long gone memory. Rush Limbaugh kinda killed it.
[00:20:20] Unknown:
No. It wasn't. Well, I mean, at the time at the time No. It was killed.
[00:20:25] John Barbour:
Listen, I'll tell you how. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Please. It wasn't killed over any talk show host, believe me. Okay. Because there are just dozens and dozens of just horrible talk show hosts right now. That would never happen if there was a fairness doctrine. You see, when I quite by accident. Okay. It's 1970, and, because of the fairness doctrine and something called equal time, 20,000 Tricanos were parading against city hall and against the LA Times and against ABC's radio state, television station in LA, challenging their license for not having enough Hispanic or Chicano representation on the air.
So they decided that they were gonna kill the cartoons in the morning movies that they ran. And they were gonna do a an hour and a half live show as a SOP to the Federal Communications Commission. And I forget his name offhand, but you will read it in the book. He was one of the most handsome men in America. He was Latino, and he spoke a half a dozen languages, including Chinese and Russian, but he was Latino primarily. He was the most popular Latino in Los Angeles Television, but he did mostly commercials and announcing. That's what that's, he had this magnificent Orson Welles voice.
Anyway, one day, I'm in a club, called the Ice House in Pasadena with Steve Martin. And I'm doing my act, and Steve is doing his act. And I get off stage, and he rushes over to me and he says, John, I just left ABC. They're gonna do a morning news show. You should go over and audition for a guy named Brad Lachman. And I said, why would I do that? He said, well, because they're looking for hosts. And I said, listen, his name was Mario Machado. Machado. Thank God I remembered the name. Because I have so much to think. And I said to him, Mario, you're everybody's ethnic.
That show is yours for the asking. And he said to me, Patrick, he said, John, I can read great, but I can't ad lib. And he said, most of your jokes are about politics, and you can talk on your feet standing up, and I'm sure you can do it sitting down. Here's Brad Lachman's phone number. Call him. So I went over, I auditioned against 40 very prominent actors in television and in movies. And I got the job. I ended up getting the job. And Mary was the first to applaud and cheer me on. I mean, it was just amazing. So again, that's by accident. So that's when I started doing film reviews. And like everyone in America, I was like Jim Garrison. When, you know, Jim Garrison was an FBI agent.
He was a lieutenant colonel in the Air Force. He was one of the people who was at Dachau when they liberated these death camps built by the Nazis, and very conservative or independent. He believed the government. Okay? And I believed the government. But I was I'm a street kid. I was abandoned by my mother and father when I was 6. Born as Salvation Army, Charity Ward in Toronto. And I ran away to America when I was 17 to be I I always said to my friends, the few friends that I had, there's something fishy about the murder of John Kennedy. There's just something fishy about it. And they I lost a number of friends. How dare you doubt the government? How dare you doubt, you know, all the talking heads on Walter Cronkite and Dan Rather. How dare you doubt them? Okay. Huntley and Brinkley. How dare you doubt them? I said there's still something fishy about this whole thing. Oswald and then Oswald being shot for god's sake by Ruby. There's something fishy about that to keep that guy at a court.
So in any event, one day I'm in a bookstore and it's called Edmonds Bookstore on Hollywood Boulevard and it's called the Heritage of Stone, the book. And the author is Jim Garrison. So I thought, hold it, is that guy, the DA in New Orleans, so pick it up. And, Patrick, I stand there for 4 hours reading it, and I'm reading material that I have never heard of before about how they had to sue Time Life to get the Zapruder film so he could show the jury. And the film that they sent to him at they had to go to the Supreme Court to get a ruling on that. And the film that Time Life sent him was so blurry, they couldn't look at it. And he had to send one of his investigators, a guy named Steve Jaffe, to Paris and got from De Gaulle the finished Zapruder film to show the galleries. Okay. And then there was a forensic pathologist who said there was no autopsy because guys in uniform stopped it. And one of them was probably Curtis LeMay, a guy who so hated Kennedy, and Kennedy hated him because Curtis LeMay wanted to nuke Vietnam.
And John Kennedy wanted to withdraw the 12,000 advisors that Eisenhower had put there. Anyway, so I decide this is one of the greatest stories I've ever read. And I grew up, Patrick, on storytelling. I had no family in my life, so I would listen to the radio. I would go to the library. I was reading books from the time I was 6 years of age. I memorized Edgar Rice Burroughs and thought at 16, I would go to Africa and swing through the trees like Tarzan. I was a voracious reader. I survived on stories, and I decided I wanted to be a storyteller when I grew up, and I fell in love with television because I saw Jack Parr, the greatest late night talk show host in history, better than Carson or all of them all put together, who was a magnificent storyteller.
But in order to tell these stories and to have guests who could tell these stories, he first became a stand up comic. That's why I became a comic, which inadvertently led me to this morning's show. So I thought, I'm gonna call mister Garrison. So I get up early one morning, it's about 6 o'clock in the morning. It's 9 o'clock in New Orleans, and I call the DA's office, and this deep bass, baritone voice answers. And I said, could I speak to mister Garrison, please? And he said, this is he. And I thought, oh my gosh. Mister Garrison, this is John Barber. I am hosting a, 90 minute live morning show in Los Angeles, and I just finished reading your book. And Patrick, he interrupted me. He said, oh, John, you must be the other one. I only sold 2.
I mean, who couldn't love a guy with a sense of humor like that? But actually it was a best seller. And so I said to him, Listen, I will interview you for a half an hour, then I will open the phones because everybody in listening, within listening or viewing distance will wanna talk to you. And he said, No, you won't. And I said, what do you mean no, I won't? I certainly will. He said, because they won't have you on. Have you ever seen me on television by myself? And I said, no. This will be the first time. He said, There will never be a first time for me to speak freely on American television.
And I said, Well, you're gonna speak freely, honestly. And I explained to him why I had just won my first Emmy. And he howled. He said, Oh, you said your first Emmy? You plan on winning some more? Well, that came about because I gave a platform to Muhammad Ali, who nobody wanted on the air because he wouldn't go and kill yellow people in Asia because he thought whites are more of a threat to him here. And now everybody thinks Muhammad Ali is a hero, but he wasn't. In 1970, 95 percent of all Americans wanted him dead, in jail, or in a grave. I mean, people, pardon me.
I I don't know if you I don't think you swear because you just went to church today. But I must say Go ahead, John. Go ahead. Okay. I will be modest about this. I talked about this. People asked me about it when I was a critic. They asked me, well, do you inter when you review a movie, do you use your mind? Do you use your heart? Do you use your soul to interpret what the movie is? And I says, no. I watch a movie with my ass. And if my ass moves, I use my mind to try to tell me what my ass is saying. And I say this to you quite honestly, Movies are a lot like people.
99 out of a 100 are absolute shit. But the other one is fertilizer that makes going through the 99 that are shit, be it a movie or be it a person, makes life worthwhile. It's the good people in life. It's the talents, it's the artists in life. Because you see now, in America, it is hopelessly over. I couldn't, you know, when I came here, I could name you 50 people that I idolized. And one of them was Fulton Sheen. And Fulton, you know who he was? Oh yeah, I was gonna ask you about him. Okay, Fulton Sheen was a bishop, an archbishop, a Catholic arch bishop in New York. And the most successful television show at the time was the Milton Berle show, whom I loved. I never missed him, you know? He was a comic. He made me laugh.
But he was beat out by this Catholic Bishop, and I never missed him either because I loved the way that he could tell stories. Oh, I knew 50 people like this when I came to, this country whom I could I could only probably name you 2 or 3 today who are not even in public life. Ralph Nader, one of the greatest public servants in American history, trashed by this culture. Julian Assange, who's not even an American for God's sake, who revealed to America the criminality and the the crimes committed by the Pentagon in foreign countries. And what it is that the United States is trying to do is get them back to this country so they can execute them.
America is over with, but some of the individuals in it are not. Anyway, back to mister Garrison. So he agrees to come on the show. And then he says to me, John, you know, it's been just only 4 to 6 years since they published the Warren report. It was published in 'sixty four or 'sixty six, and I'm doing a show in 1970. And he said, you know, they had Harris had a poll. And the poll said that 82% of all Americans do not believe that Lee Harvey Oswald either did it by himself or did it at all. He had to have an accomplice. And so I said, mister Garrison, if it's 82%, why aren't they storming the barricades of bullshit in Washington?
And he started to laugh. He said, oh, John. I love a guy like you who speak my language. He said you didn't hear the second question. And he I said, what was the second question of the poll? He said the second question was, would you like to see a deeper, more thorough investigation into the murder of John Kennedy in which those people who are interrogated and brought to court or brought before a grand jury are the FBI and the CIA. And I said, oh, wow. That's pretty daring. And he said, well and I said, so what was the percentage there? 60, 70? He said 22.
I said, are you kidding? And he says, what does that say about us Americans as heroes or cowards? And I said to him, mister Garrison, I'll tell you what, I know what my mother and father did in the rumble seat of the car, on the pool table, in the back alley or at the bedroom to conceive me. But do not ever tell me my mother is not a virgin. And he howled. He said, My God, that sounds like something Mark Twain would say. He said, You know, a 100 years ago, Mark Twain said, if you don't read the newspapers, you are uninformed.
If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed. And he said, It's easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled. And America has been fooled by this government ever since they created the security state and the CIA. Harry Truman, in 1947. And on his deathbed, Harry Truman said the greatest mistake I ever made was creating the Central Intelligence Agency. So Wow. That's how the title of the book came about.
[00:36:04] Unknown:
Well, I it reminds me of of I've been reading about the history of the recorded audio, and there's this technician that used to work for Thomas Edison who later worked with Emil Berliner. His name was Fred Geisberg, and he later went on to London to start Abbey Road Studio. Oh, wow. And during World War 1, this is interesting, they would take and they would rec they would capture an enemy musician, and they would record him playing his songs in his language, and then they would make record copies of it and hand it out all along the trenches, and then they would play it on the gramophone to ambush people.
And and some of these recordings that were made, they they later on, it's part of the Versailles treaty. They would then take they they took, I think the British ended up with all of those recordings at the end of the war, but they would since it was such a new technology, a lot of people were fooled into leaving their trenches thinking, hey. This this is on our side. This is somebody speaking my language singing our songs, and they would they would then get ambushed. They'd either kill them or capture them. Oh my god. That is so interesting. I have a quick question for you. You said you went to church
[00:37:24] John Barbour:
today. I don't care to ask you about what denomination or anything like that. Catholic. What do you think about the fact that Donald Trump is going around hoxering bibles, I think, for $99 a copy. So what do you think about that? I I think
[00:37:41] Unknown:
I I really I remember when he first ran or when he first announced he ran, it was like this first meeting with Fred Luntz or whoever does the polls. He he said, the Bible is my second favorite book behind the art of the deal, so I think he's got a lot of I think he's got a lot of pride
[00:38:05] John Barbour:
in in that. And, Well, let me tell you something. It might be his 2 favorite books, but he never authored either one of them. And probably the reason he's huckster ing the Bible, he mistakenly thinks it's autobiographical about the life of Jesus, about him. And, when I years and years, it was around it was just before the time he even announced he was running. First of all, I bumped into him and grew to detest him when I was a regular on the Merv Griffin show in the late sixties in New York City. There was a white girl who was raped savagely and torn to pieces and, of course, died.
And 5 blacks were arrested, and Donald Trump bought ads in every one of New York's newspapers. Now at that time, he's just a builder. Right? And he demands that they be executed immediately, taken out into the backyard and shot, never even getting to trial. A month and a half later, they find the one person who committed the crime, And Donald Trump never once apologized to these 5 young men, black young men, or their families who were terrorized for months by gangs for what that son of a bitch wrote. And when I got my very first show, one of the guests I booked is this brilliant young lady, who when she got out of university, wanted to become an investigative journalist.
And one of the things she was interested in were people with money because that's what built America is people with money. I mean, George Washington was married to the wealthiest woman in America. And that's the only thing that Americans seem to live for is money. And, you know, you had the lifestyle is rich and famous and all kinds of shows like that, which were very successful. So since she was in New York, and there was this fake publicist who always talked about how glorious Donald Trump was, and how rich he was, and how big his empire was gonna be. And she thought, well, you know what?
I'll do a documentary about him. So in doing the documentary about him, she discovers that he is the fake, he is the fake publicist. He's doing his own publicity. And then beyond that, he discovers scores and scores of people who do artwork or curtain work or table work or light work for his casinos and never get paid. And so she ended up doing an hour and a half documentary about the greatest crook in New York City. He took her to court. She could not show that film for 15 years. And I had her on the show. I was the only one who would put her on people who were so afraid of Donald Trump, she couldn't get on anybody's show. But I put her put her on the show. She played excerpts of the, of of of that particular film.
And, and so I I it is beyond me. Absolutely totally beyond me. How anybody could be Listen, nearly every election in America is fixed, including the best president we ever had since Thomas Jefferson, and that's John Kennedy. I mean, Joseph Kennedy was a friend of the mafia in Chicago, because he was a bootlegger during the Depression. And that's how he got rich. And he bought Paramount Studios so he could bang Glorious Swanson. That's the kind of stock that John Kennedy came from, okay? And so Sam Giancana and the boys in Chicago went to Kentucky and got all the minor, minors to vote for John Kennedy and he barely won that election. So you might say that election was fair, But the owners of the country didn't know that he would turn out to be like Thomas Jefferson.
And from the time he started, they worked to get rid of him. They worked to assassinate John Kennedy. So, and if you go to, Amazon for $2 and you get the American media and the second assassination of President John F. Kennedy, you will be absolutely blown away by all the facts you'll learn about how the government did it and who did it. And John, and and and poor Jim Garrison, for God's sake, believing the government, he accidentally meets a congressman who was the only dissenting member of the Warren Report, and that was Hale Boggs. Does that name ring a bell to you? Yeah. I've heard the name, but I couldn't tell you any of his biography. Of course. So Hale Boog was the only descending member of the Warren Commission. But you can't find his descent anywhere in the Warren Commission.
And he accidentally meets Jim on the plane. And Hale Boggs says, you know, Jim, you know I'm a good hunter. And I take a look at that Italian called a with a crooked scope. That kid couldn't kill a dead rabbit for God's sake. So Garrison said, You mean? And Hillbog said, That's right. You have nothing to do with it. So Jim went out and bought 3 sets of the 26 volumes. But one set his home, one set in the automobile, one set in his office, and memorized it. And the reason he had to investigate New Orleans because that's where Oswald lived at one time. And investigating that, he found Clay Shaw, David Ferri and all these people involved with the assassination working for the Central Intelligence Agency.
So, and then as far as Hale Boggs goes, Hale Boggs went before Congress. Before Congress. And Patrick says, We have to get rid of J. Edgar Hoover. He lied to us about the murder of Martin Luther King and John F. Kennedy. And we have to have a new investigation into both of those crimes, and we have to investigate without the help of the Central Intelligence Agency, or we have to investigate without the help of the FBI. And you can read that in the Congressional Record. Now, a couple of minutes later, he has driven to a private plane. The plane flows, flies to Alaska and blows up in the air.
They never find him at the plane again. And guess who drives him to the airport?
[00:46:18] Unknown:
Who?
[00:46:20] John Barbour:
Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton and his wife were recruited by the CIA when they were in university in Arkansas or wherever the hell that they are from, okay? And gave him, sent him to Oxford to become so called Rhodes Scholar so he could spy on students. He, Bill Clinton is absolutely the worst president in the history of the United States. Now this is not an opinion. I never, like Jim Garrison, I never ever deal in opinion. I only deal in facts. First of all, when it comes to, the, fairness doctrine, The reason we have no more fairness doctrine, when I was doing, interviewing Muhammad Ali, who was against the war, I had to peep have people on like Bob Hope who were for the war. Okay? I had a, Republican on. I had to have a Democrat. I had to have a socialist. Anyway, Jim Garrison is getting so much press and so much public support, even though he's being hammered by every media and the, every governmental, outfit in America, the public believed him.
And they were trying to literally kill him or kill his character. And there was a producer at NBC who was assigned by the CIA and the FBI to get Jim Garrison's lead witness. His name was Perry Raymond Russo. And he was with Clay Shaw and Lee Harvey Oswald and David Ferri at a gay party when they were talking about triangulation to shoot John Kennedy in crossfire from the tall building. Okay? So when when Garrison heard about all this, the first person he wanted to talk to was David Ferri. On a stormy night, went to Dallas in a storm the night before the assassination because he was one of the pilots who flew one of the assassins out of there. And that was the first guy he wanted to rest. But guess what? David Ferri dies of suicide and leaves 2 typed suicide notes. But so he won't be, so there won't be any more suicides, he has to arrest Clay Shaw, who was Lee Harvey Oswald's handler.
So that's why he rushes to arrest, Clay Shaw. And the story in the movie is absolutely beyond belief. How he absolutely and totally solves this particular crime. There was something else I wanted to bring up. Oh, yeah. When that happened, NBC sent this producer to, New Orleans to see Perry Raymond Russo and get him out of Garrison's jurisdiction. So they get Perry and they ask him, where would he like to live if he could live anywhere in the world? He said, Oh, I'd love to go to California and live in Los Angeles. What kind of job would you like? He said, Well, I only know insurance. You have a job for $50,000 a year, 1,000 a week in Los Angeles.
And Perry said, Are you kidding? No. Here's the contract. You just had to leave and go and the job is yours. So Perry's a little nervous. And he agrees to re meet this guy. And Perry calls and goes to see mister Garrison. Mister Garrison says, will you wear a wire? Perry wears a wire. So now they have NBC, CIA and the FBI and the person of this fucking producer trying to bribe the most important witness in the most important murder in the history of America. And of course, Jim has this, and he wins. So what he's gonna do, he is going to get them into a court and see that NBC loses their license and that producer and the head of NBC go to prison. Now, do you think that's gonna happen in America?
No, it is not. What they weekly do because of the fairness coughedrine, they give them a half an hour, late night, some of which you can see in my documentary, where he proves Oswald had nothing to do with it. It was a central intelligence agency which murdered the President of the United States on the order of wealthy families who own the country. And so when that happened, Ronald Reagan, president of the United States, oh my god, we can't have this kind of truth on television. As Jack Nicholson said, looking in America, you can't handle the truth. They killed the fairness doctrine, and it's gone.
There is no free press in America. I got back Get back to Bill Clinton. He created that 2,008 recession because he killed the Glass Steagall Act. Have you ever heard of it? Yeah. Okay. Tell the audience what it was.
[00:52:17] Unknown:
Well, the Glass Steagall Act, I've heard of it, but can you what
[00:52:24] John Barbour:
when it came about after the Federal Reserve Act, I believe. Well, it well, actually, it came about as a result of the depression in the thirties.
[00:52:33] Unknown:
Right, which was caused by the federalism. It was initiated
[00:52:38] John Barbour:
by the socialist vice president of the United States and signed by FDR into law. It was a law prohibiting Wall Street to gamble, the way they did in 2,008. It was repealed by Bill Clinton. Now, the other worst thing, the worst thing that ever happened to America, more important than any president in history, and I include John Kennedy, I include George Washington, and the best of them all, Thomas Jefferson. Every one of them said, no president is more important than a free press. And guess what? Bill Clinton signs the Communications Act in 1996.
When John Kennedy was alive, there were 1500 different owners of media in America, television stations, radio stations, newspaper station. If you had a television station, you couldn't have more than 5 or 7. If you had a newspaper, you couldn't have more than 5 or he signed that saying, it's over with. And now look at you have Iheartradio and other they have thousands of radio stations, and they're all programmed in either New York or Los Angeles. So if there's an accident or a major disaster in POTOM, there's no reporter to report it. Yeah. John And that's Bill Clinton. John, I The other thing he did is because they repealed the draft.
And the reason they repealed the draft, because in the, Vietnam War, middle aged and wealthy young men were coming home in body bags. So people with money said, hey, I don't wanna see my son or daughter coming home in a body bag. There's gonna be no more draft. Well, how do we get soldiers? Well, you get rid of jobs. What What do you mean get rid of jobs? You send them overseas. So Bill Clinton signed NAFTA and he was warned by the guy from Texas who ran as an independent. I can't think offhand. Ross Perot. Ross Perot. He said, if you elect this guy president, America's done with because everything will be manufactured overseas.
I lost a $1,000,000 home on a golf course because of Bill Clinton. And millions of other Americans lost homes, maybe not worth quite that much because of Bill Clinton. Now, you go to my site and you Google the 10 and a half worst president in American history, you won't find Donald Trump up there. And I'm not a fan of Trump as you just heard. The worst is Bill Clinton. He destroyed America. George Bush destroyed Iraq. Every sensible human being in the country knew there were no weapons of mass destruction. Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.
There is no democracy in America. And why every day that you've got people on radio and television, not so much on the internet, MSNBC, CNN, CBS News, NBC, talking about the threat to democracy in America. The threat is that democracy might return to America, where the people really are, a government of the people, instead of government of corporations and by corporations and for corporations. America is done with. But it would have never been done with if they had not murdered John Kennedy.
[00:56:45] Unknown:
I agree. John, I I wanna tell you some serendipity stories. You you're mentioning that at the beginning of our our little conversation here. And, you you remember will William Cooper? Yo. Yes. Listen to him a lot. Yeah. Yeah. I I know that he had some weird theory about the Zapruder film that, is kind of far out there, you know, at Yeah. At a certain point. About the drivers. Yeah. Yeah. That but at the same time, I had friends through through family that got me set up that were friends with Bill Cooper. And they set me up with a small micro FM radio station in my hometown.
Oh, great. And I had that going, but it was mysteriously, burned down by arson, I believe. Oh my god.
[00:57:38] John Barbour:
Oh, god.
[00:57:40] Unknown:
That that does not surprise me, though. It it doesn't you know, at first, it surprised me when people were telling me, yeah, that could have been arson. And and then as time's gone on, I I kind of think, yeah, it it probably might not have been such a, you know, a Farfetch thing to have happened. And another thing I wanted to tell you, there's about, so my grandpa, he lived with me for 10 years, and he told me some stories. His family is related to Charles Lindbergh in Little Falls, Minnesota. Oh, how many years? His last name was Lafond, and his great aunt was married to Charles senior, his the senator from Minnesota. And he's the one that did the minority, the minor minority view on the Federal Reserve Act when that was passed when they pushed in the basically the Federal Reserve Act is legalized.
You know, basically, like poker chips and gambling, you know, because the Oh, no. It's worse. Listen,
[00:58:43] John Barbour:
it's worse than that. What it is, you know? The Federal Reserve is not federal. It's owned by 6 private families. And the, Federal Reserve is, when we pay taxes, it's not to build bridges as you saw, because you just saw a bridge go down. Not to help the infrastructure, to help the police, or help education. It is interest paid to 6 private families for the money we borrow to fight fake wars. That is the Federal Reserve. And John Kennedy, have you ever heard of, Executive Order 0,11111?
[00:59:28] Unknown:
I believe so.
[00:59:30] John Barbour:
Well you'll have to refresh my memory or Okay. For our audience's sake. What it is, and then we're gonna be done. It's funny, we're just getting started, so we're not Yeah. We'll have to do this again sometime, John. Well, we'll do it again. Yeah. But let me tell you what that was. In 1963, let's say, your little radio station burns down and you wanna rebuild it, you could borrow money and it would be 23 to 25%, which you would pay to your bank, which in essence really goes to the Federal Reserve. John Kennedy wanted to get rid of the Federal Reserve.
So he signed Executive Order 0,111,111. It's in the documentary. You can see it, where it calls for the United States Treasury as mandated by the Constitution to print our money. And the interest would only be 1 a half percent. That meant if you wanted to rebuild your radio station, you could borrow $20,000 easily, and all you have to pay back is 1 a half percent. How long do you think the Federal Reserve would last? It wouldn't last a year. No. At noon, when it was pronounced that John Kennedy was dead from a gunshot to the right temple, the presses stopped printing that money.
Bang. They shut down the presses. They pulled the trigger on the presses. So, that is how dumbed down America has become and how dis interested in America, Americans have become and in try and tie and trying to restore some kind of sanity to this country because so many of them are under your age of 41, that they never experienced really bright, brilliant people in public life. And they're never taught it in history.
[01:01:41] Unknown:
No. It's in and it's on purpose. It's there's a definite purpose to keep people ignorant.
[01:01:46] John Barbour:
It you know, somebody wrote a an art an essay that was brilliant. It's and it was called entertaining us to death. And that's what it is that they're doing. It's bread and circuses. Bread and circus. I must say, Patrick, I really enjoyed this hour with you and we will do it again. My wife is just back from the hospital. She was there for 2 weeks and I have to take a lot of, I have to do everything for her. So I don't know. It's understood. That's because you were recommended by Donald Jeffries, who I really, really admire a lot, a very dear friend. So that's
[01:02:31] Unknown:
why I did it. But I so enjoyed talking to you that we will do it again maybe in a month or 2 when my wife is feeling better. Yeah. I have I have lots that I wanna talk to you about as well. So it's it's it's quite good that you were here and we could do this together. And I I pray that your your wife gets well soon, and, I just wanted to make one little comment about the bread and circuses before we go. After Jesus died on the cross, I think it was the year 70 AD, the temple was destroyed in Jerusalem. And the Romans took the temple piece by piece of the destroyed temple, and they brought it back to Rome and they used the pieces to build the Colosseum.
And I think that's kind of where we've become what where we're at here after after that event. So it's quite something, and I wanna just read one little scripture piece
[01:03:28] John Barbour:
Absolutely.
[01:03:29] Unknown:
Go ahead. From Ecclesiasticus. Now this is part of the Catholic Bible, not so much Protestant Bibles that was taken out. But here, what agreement shall the earthen pot have with the kettle? For if they knock one against the other it shall be broken. The rich man hath done wrong, and yet he will fume, But the poor man is wrong, and must hold his peace.
[01:03:54] John Barbour:
So I'll leave us with that. Well, you you wanna know something I memorize as you get into the book, you might realize I had memorized the Bible when I was 12 years of age, because I wanted to be adopted by a religious family because I had no family. And you'll understand why I lost. But, you know, John Kennedy's favorite poet was Robert Frost. And he said, this is what Robert Frost wanted to put on his gravestone. And I'm just delighted with it, so I'll repeat it. Dear god, please forgive all the little jokes I played on thee, and I'll forgive the great big one you played on me.
[01:04:54] Unknown:
Good one. Good one. Oh, baby. Alright. So I'm gonna I'm gonna have a great Easter. Yep. And may all your eggs be colorful. Alright. Thank you. Thank you, John. And I'm gonna play your your video, the American media and the second assassination of John f Kennedy after we're done here. Oh, that's wonderful. And I'll I'll play the play a tune and you can leave when you want, but I'm gonna start the tune now. Okay? You have a good one. God bless you. Talk to you later. Bye bye. Bye.
Introduction and Special Guest
Serendipity and High Hopes
Frank Sinatra and Musical Memories
The Garrison Tapes and JFK Assassination
Jim Garrison's Investigation
Hale Boggs and the Warren Commission
Bill Clinton and the Fairness Doctrine
The Federal Reserve and Executive Order 11110
Closing Thoughts and Serendipity Stories
