In this episode of iRemember, host Patrick Chenal is joined by guest Donald Jeffries to delve into the newly released JFK files and their implications.
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I got a letter from LBJ that said this is your lucky day. It's time to put your khaki trousers on. Though it may seem very clear we've got no jobs to give you, here's who we are sending you to Vietnam. Lyndon Johnson told the nation have no fear of escalation. I am trying everyone to please. Though it isn't really war, we're sending 50,000 more to help save Vietnam from Vietnamese. I jumped off the old troop ship and sank in mud up to my hips. I cussed until the captain called me down. Never mind how hard it's raining. Think of all the ground working. Just don't take one step outside of town.
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Lyndon Johnson told an And we're with Donald Jeffries. This is Patrick Chanel on Radio Windmiller and I think we're gonna call this an I remember show. The first I remember show I did was with, Mr. John Barber. Now I'm with Donald Jeffries. It's 03/23/2025. It's the third Sunday in length, and I'm gonna be joined here with Donald shortly.
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Black pajamas and come lobbing mortar shells at me. But Lyndon Johnson told the nation, have no fear of escalation. I am trying everyone to please. Though it isn't really war, we're sending 50,000 more to help save Vietnam from Vietnamese.
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Alright, Donald. How are you this this fine day?
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Hi. Thanks for having me, Patrick.
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Yeah. It's good to have you back. We did a show with, for actually, it was for, Dennis Fetchell out in Saudi Arabia. We did a fill in show for him with and mister Maleficus Scott back in the day. That was our first show, and then I did a show with you. I think it was after the last not this past Super Bowl, but the Super Bowl at before that. Wow. Time flies. Yeah. Yeah. So so how have you been, Donald?
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Good. Hanging in there amidst the madness is, you know, interesting times we live in. That's for sure.
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Oh, yeah. Definitely. Now I wanted you to come today because it's quite, serendipitous that, these, JFK files have been dropped, supposedly. And I wanna get your opinion about, what's going on.
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So Well, yeah. I I've been talking. I'm writing a lot about it. I, think I've gone through, you know, plenty of them. There's a lot there. They're not easy to go through. There's no search function. So, it's it's a very tedious task. So there could be other stuff in there. But, what we're finding and there there are there are some, I mean, they may this may need may mean more to people like me who, you know, are lost in the minutiae, and I'm looking for these kinds of things. So to the average person, maybe it doesn't mean as much. But, what we're seeing certainly is we have a lots of, stuff that points again at the CIA, and an increasing number of things that point in Israel's direction. In fact, we have, in the files, we have references from the CIA, requesting that all all references to Israel be redacted, which is an odd thing for the CIA to do. What what connection do they have with Israel?
So, and James Angleton, James Jesus Angleton, that was his middle name. I don't know how he got that middle name. He wasn't Hispanic to my he wasn't Jesus to my knowledge. So I I don't I've never heard of anyone naming their, English anyone. And and, you know, an Anglo Saxon naming their child Jesus is kinda sacrilegious. But anyway, his name was James Jesus Angleton, one of the CIA's weirdest, oddest characters they ever had. And, he had tons of connections to Israel on the Mossad, and we learn here in these files that, it's very fine. I mean, all those people who who were somehow thinking Oswald might not have been connected to the CIA or the FBI.
In here, we have documentation that James Angleton recruited Oswald as a 21 year old marine into the CIA, kept tabs on him for the next four years until the next yeah. Next four years until he, denied after JFK assassination. In fact, the week before the assassination, he had a huge file on Oswald on his desk in his office. So that's the kind of stuff we learned there. We also, learned that, Earthless Schlesinger junior was kind of the quintessential liberal of his day. I remember an educated guy, kind of an egghead as they used to call him back then. One of JFK's close agencies he aids. He wrote A Thousand Days, which is probably still the most famous book written about the Kennedy administration. And, he he he composed a 15 page memo, detailing his concerns about the CIA being a a state within a state as he called it, you know, have power into itself. Then he also documented JFK's concerns about the say CIA from the beginning of his administration. So I think there's a lot of smoke thing. I think, again, just if people are doubting it, certainly, that the CIA was involved in some way, there's a lot better showing it.
We now know let's look for certain we already know he had a two zero one file, and he was definitely involved with the CIA. There are strong indications he was also involved with the FBI. So he was being manipulated by lots of people, and I think it's it's pretty clear to see. It doesn't take much speculation to to envision as I did in the book I wrote, with my friend, William Law, pipe the bamboo and red, where we talked about the, New Orleans New Orleans characters, which a lot of them were pictured in the Oliver Stone's shape of k. That's what happened, I think, to Oswald. I think he get he was told, to infiltrate a plot that that was planning to kill the president. I think that was his assignment.
And he got connected to all these figures, and he ended up being manipulated into becoming the patsy.
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Yeah. Jim Garrison had a lot to do with, documenting that and and going after witnesses and and that sort of thing. Last night, I I was listening to a documentary by Mark Lane called Rush to Judgment, and I'm sure you're probably familiar with that. I've heard you talk about it before. Quite eye opening when you when you start to hear the eyewitness testimony and ear witness testimony to what took place on that day and where where they said the shots were fired from and where the Warren Commission report claimed that it that they took place, which was the book suppository or suppository depository.
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Yeah.
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So he he and he, Mark Lane did quite a a good job with that. And I I remember you telling me that you knew Mark Lane personally?
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Yeah. I I, well, I I got you know, I knew it. My I, he was my hero. And, as a teenager, I first, you know, became involved in researching this in the mid nineteen seventies. And, I heard that Mark Lane, who, you know, had read the book of judgment, his book with the same name, was a best seller. Still probably the biggest seller on the Kennedy assassination ever written, I think. When he had a group called the citizens, committee of inquiry, and, he had chapters all over the country. They were trying to lobby congress to reopen the assassination. It's the, hostility committee hadn't been formed yet. So, I jumped on that, and I volunteered, and I'd be I was the the, chairman of my group in in Virginia.
And so I got to meet him and, had a very interesting encounter with him that I wrote about in Hidden History, in his office. And, yeah, it was heavy stuff. I got to go to the National Archives because I was a member of CCI, and I had a personal tour, and I I I held the gun and the the magic bullet, and the clues were brought out to me, JFK's clothes. And I had a private screening of this approval film where I had a a little film where I could, you know, I could go frame by frame, and it's very nice little comfortable room. So I was, like, 18 years old, so I felt like a big shot. And, but, yeah, Lane did some great work, obviously. And, again, he was a personal hero of mine. I developed my own civil libertarian philosophy.
Really, he was the most one instrumental in doing that because he was a civil libertarian, back when we had some in this country. I think I'm about the last one left at this point.
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What was his role in the campaign of John f Kennedy?
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Well, he was he, he was an assembly man in New York, and I think he ended up, a group at I don't know if he was a if he I think he was headed in New York Democrats for the academy or something like that. But, yeah, he was he was definitely involved. And and, of course, you know, he never I guess he got to meet JFK in in that aspect. I don't think he knew him really, but, he had closer ties later to, I don't think he knew RFK, but he he knew lots of people around him. And Mark Lane was one of the ones that was, talking about that if RFK would, was, he said, you know, there's guns between him. We've came the president when he was running for presidency, when he was running for, in 1968.
And, he's one of the ones that claimed that we've came behind the scenes, was telling his advisors that, you know, if he got elected although publicly, he was saying he believed the Warren report in private, he was, saying the opposite and he would have reopened the investigation. So Lane Lane actually had more contact with him, I think, but he was the chairman of some group of for Duncrest in New York.
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Okay. What do you what do you think happened on that day? What give me, some idea of motives and opportunity of the people and players involved in it. And I assume you you believe there's more than one player, obviously. So do I. You.
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I'm sorry. That's alright. No no worries. Yeah. It's a lot. Yeah. It's good. Yeah. Sorry about that. So what was your question?
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I I'm I'm just wondering I wanna know what you think happened on that day, the motive and opportunity of the players involved in the assassination of JFK given your body of research.
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Well, I think, you know, the only thing that I'm always willing to say for certain is that whatever happened, it wasn't what they tell you it happened. They lie they're lying to you. All we had to kill JFK. It wasn't anything with the hospital. They proved inadvertently, they proved conclusively that Oswald couldn't have done it. So then you look at who and you look at who now we know now that we know this about Angleton, I think we can add Angleton, who was probably the point man in the CIA. I think a lot I a consortium of forces that wanted to kill Kennedy came together. The CIA obviously had reason to get rid of him. He was he was considering abolishing the CIA if he was removed.
So imagine the impact there. You had Allen Dulles also in the CIA who was who was in the CIA who JFK fined after the Bay of Pigs, who hated him and hated to get, JFK's fine as well. He ended up in the Warren Commission, didn't he? Right. And he ended up in the Warren Commission. So I think at least those two guys, I think, were probably spearheading the CIA. In the Pentagon, you had people like general Colonel LeMay, doctor Strangelove, you know, the character was based on. Yeah. That that reminds me. There was a part that Slim Pickens had a line
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in doctor Strangelove where he was the pilot, Doctor Mhmm. Kong, I think was his name. And Mhmm. He they go through their survival kits, and it's, like, all these different things, like lipstick and prophylactics and all this thing. And then he at the end of it, the original line that he said was, shoot, a fella could have a pretty good time in Dallas with all that stuff. Oh, that's I forgot that. Yeah. Yeah. And they changed it to Vegas at the after it came out because it came out right near the time just before Right. Or just after Kennedy was assassinated.
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Right. I think yeah. I think I think it was just before. Yeah. And that's that's interesting. I didn't know that. But, yeah, certainly. And LeMay was, you know, was a real mad man, Haney Kennedy. Other other there are other generals, other people. I mean, probably most of the leadership of the Pentagon, Haney Kennedy. So they would have been on board with something like that. And you have, what I'm what I did find so far in the files, but someone had sent me, there's a rumor out there that there's, what they call a JFK hit memo, that comes from the same resolution. And I I don't somebody sent me early on what looked like an official memo from them. I don't know. I can't find it anywhere. And I can't get whoever sent it to me to tell me. I've been asking people because people send me all the stuff. I can't remember who sent it, but, and in the memo, it it talks about, JFK printing silver certificates and how dangerous this is. And it it uses coded language to say, you know, this must be neutropos or something. It doesn't say killed, but you you can get that message. So if that's the case, you have to add someone in the Federal Reserve was involved.
And if you look at, again, the connection with Israel on why they're trying to cover this up so much, we know at the time of his assassination, JFK was involved in a really, powerful feud with David Ben Gurion, the president of Israel, where were them developing nuclear weapons. They had a series exchange of series of nasty rumors and phone calls. Well, we didn't find out about that for decades, and they hosted up for a long time too. Now the community is, you know, finally willing to talk about it, but for for a while, they wouldn't. They just say you're anti Semitic if you've mentioned it. So it seems like there was something then, and the fact that these these files mentioned Israel a lot, and, you know, the CIA saying redact any references to Israel. We don't I don't have a little connections to the Mossad in Israel. So, who knows? It's possible there's some kind of connection there. We know the FBI. We know J. Edgar Hoover hated the Kennedys, and, Kennedy was planning to force, no, Janek or Hoover to retire if he got reelected.
So he had him. Well, then he certainly and then you have LBJ who despise the Kennedys as well and wanted to be president. As Richard Nixon said later when somebody was, you know, kind of talking to him about it, he said, you know, he wanted to be president really bad too. He said, just not enough to kill for it. And so, you know, kinda comparing himself to LBJ, you know, that was on the surface you see, I mean, that that had motives, and then you have the people that had to have been involved. McGeorge Gundy is the national security adviser. I've talked to him before. I think he was definitely an insider in the White House who knew about the conspiracy because he he wrote national security action memorandum February, the day of the assassination.
It completely contradicted the recent February memorandums, which describe the withdrawal from Vietnam. We talked about having a thousand forces out by the end of nineteen sixty three. Every all American forces in by 1965. This completely flipped out on its head and talked about, you know, helping them and all that. And as I said, you know, JFK, not only wouldn't have signed it, he would have filed McGeorge Bundy for writing it. I mean, so there's obviously, he never saw it, but, obviously, Mc Bundy wrote it because he knew JFK would never see it. And Lyndon Johnson, of course, was happy to sign it. So I think you look at McGeorge Bundy as as as a so there's plenty of people there, and you look at the the secret service where if you had a real investigation, they would have been the first people at questions. Because that's the most obvious, conspiratorial, element there is what happened in Dealey Plaza. The Secret Service didn't react. Nobody reacted in six seconds, and you had, Emery Roberts who was in charge of the, the detail in Dealey Plaza. He is seen on film waving agents off a couple times when they tried to do their job and is holding them back. So he's one of the first if I don't run the investigation, he's one of the first people I I haven't shared with us at all and said, what are you doing? Or what the management is not the guy from doing his job saving the president.
And, of course, the the driver, William Greer, would be there as well. I asked him, what what are you doing? Or were you trained to stop or all stop the motorcade as 59 people testified to that we're all connect unconnected to each other? Is that what your training is when you hear gunfire? So those are the, even real investigation, but, obviously, we never real investigation wasn't conducted.
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No. That's think Go ahead. Go ahead. No. Go ahead. So, I mean, no. Go ahead. But that that's basically it. I was gonna say the Mark Lane's rush to judgment talks about how half the police force were under, you know, in some some way or another associated with Jack Ruby and his establishment, his, strip club or whatever it was. It was kind of like a something like a lot of seedy business going on there, drug running and prostitution and as well
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as bribery and that sort of thing with the police. Ruby knew basically all the Dallas police. So you so you have, you have that element as well. You would have to have somebody now now the problem with the local police is, because when when these foul element crimes high profile crimes happen, we see the police and they're they're it's always the same story, but I think that's because the police are largely incompetent all the time. So I'm not sure how much incompetence is involved in there and how much, I think, you know, maybe the people at the top or they were insiders in the Dallas police that they, you know, that the spheres, had the cooperation of.
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Or they or they were blackmailed The there's Yeah. Sure. I understand. If they're doing seedy things or, you know, drinking on the job and even, you know, something simple like that can be a motivation for somebody.
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A lot of these people got the message that, oh, we got right afterwards that, when they saw what was being reported, they saw, you know, what people were talking about. Like, you know, there there was a photograph of Oswald. I think somebody who looks much just like Oswald's been around since the, right after the assassination. And Alcon's photograph for it looks very much like Oswald in the doorway of the Book Depository Building at the exact moment, JFK is grabbing for his throat. So, obviously, he couldn't have shot him from the Sixth Floor if he was there. Yeah. They went they went to desperate measures to claim this was a guy named Billy Lovelady who was a was strange, looked like he did look a lot like and had worked with him. One of the biggest improvement that was him. And there's another there's another people that believe some called prayer realm that they believe that Oswald was standing farther back, but that's really hard to see. It's indistinct shadows. But if he had been there in some capacity, again, what people say, well, someone would have talked. Well, once the story began to take forward and you see everybody else saying on this side, do you really wanna be the first one to bring it? Well, you know, as well as standing right through the door.
I'm already hearing about people being murdered and stuff. So I think that, a lot of that comes into play too. And a lot of the Dallas police, the ones that tried to do the job. I mean, Seymour Weitzman was, he was one of the two officers who supposedly found the the riffle in the Sixth Floor on the Sixth Floor of the DeBossere Building. And, he and Eugene Bowen, the officers, they both signed sworn affidavits, incorrectly identifying it the same way, both identifying as a German Mauser. Was it Italian Malak or Kazanese? So as I'm pointing out before, if Oswald had gone to trial, now he wouldn't have been in an honest courtroom, so it wouldn't have mattered. But in an honest courtroom, that they they would have had to declare a mistrial. Because if I was his defense attorney, the first thing I would do is submit those affidavits.
And so, your honor, I'm I'm presenting I I I strike for a mistrial. There is no murder weapon that could be introduced at this trial because here's here's the legal this is that's the legal chain of possession. The legal chain of possession for that rifle was German Mauser. And there is no chain of possession of the Italian men that are it just becomes that. They were mistaken. That's not how it's supposed to work. A good defense defense attorney would say, what do you mean you were you're both mistaken the exact same way? And then as Mark Lane said when he testified before the Warren Commission, he was the only critic to do that. He requested that the man liquor carcano be brought out. And he said, gentlemen, I'm no expert in guns, but I can tell you right now that this isn't a German weapon. And he pointed the fact that made in Italy was stamped right on the rifle barrel.
So you don't you can't make a mistake like that. It's impossible. And so that's the kind of thing. And in this you have the same problem with the magic bullet. The the providence for the magic bullet, I've written about that. It went through so many hands. Half of them didn't mark it. Again, everybody that touches something like that has to mark it or the chain of possession is broken. And then you had, two years ago, Paul Landis, last surviving secret service agent at JFK's detail, suddenly came out of the woodwork and said, he found the bullet on top of the back seat of the limousines. Nobody ever heard of that before, sixty years.
Where did this come from? And he he picked instead of, you know, marking it with his initials and starting the chain of possession as he was trained to do, he put it in his pocket, went back in the hospital, and stuck it on a stretcher. Can you think of anything more ridiculous? And not only but the the people it was largely nobody even criminalized him for it. Now if we had an honest government at this point, he could still be charged with something. You know, you know, the the destruction of it, not destruction of evidence or not destruction of evidence or something. So that's the problem with the entire case against Oswald. None of it. They're all the the the piss the gun that supposedly shot Tippett and the bullets, they don't mean there's all there's chain of possession on everything that doesn't match.
And that's the problem with it. If if Oswald had gone to trial, he couldn't have been convicted in an honest courtroom, but he would have been because it wouldn't have been an honest courtroom, and he probably would have had a, you know, the same kind of ridiculous lawyer that James Earl Ray had and Sirhan Sirhan had and Well, dead the Boston B U. Dead men don't talk. He wouldn't have had a chance to to even tell what his side of the story was. Right. Because he's he was killed as a company. Absolutely. Yeah. Because he would've you know, he, he and he was he was I I think Oswald was a patriotic American, whatever he thought he was. And, he thought he was stopping something, you know. And he thought, you know, he thought he was doing doing his service for his country, working for the FBI and the CIA.
But, so he would have that I think that's why he kept saying I didn't shoot anybody, but he didn't he didn't say, I'm I'm, you know, I'm investigating this. I'm going undercover for he didn't wanna blow his comfort. Wasn't that And I think he was wet. Oh, go ahead. Go ahead. You think he was wet? There's a bit of a delay. No. I think I no. I think he didn't wanna blow his comfort. He couldn't say, you know, what do you mean? I was I'm working undercover, you know, for the FBI and the CIA. He didn't wanna do that, especially in that day and age. And, I mean, certainly, nobody was gonna fake thing at the time, but, yeah. I don't so that's what I would've obviously, would've loved to see him live and and see what the real story was, and we just have to speculate at this point. But the the picture is becoming clearer that he was anybody at this point that believes he was, like, her all remember these idiots do that he was a middle he was a loser. He wasn't a loser. He's 68 with a couple of intelligence agencies. He he spoke Russian fluently somehow.
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And, No. His wife was Russian, Marina.
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Yes. She was. And and she, you know, after his so called and he I we think he was part of a false defector program, and that probably was had to do with his work with the CIA, where he pretended to defect. Because, you know, again, he he was allowed back into the country at the height of the cold war with he wasn't even debriefed. And he had a Russian wife who I think her uncle was a official in the with the KGB, let him right back in. No questions asked. And he he settles eventually in Dallas where, this guy George de Morinjoldt, who was, you talk about a blow blot. I mean, this guy has connections. He dated George de Morinjoldt dated Jackie Kennedy's mother. He bounced a little Jackie on his knee. He was friends with the family, Bouvier's.
And, he becomes Lee Harvey Oswald's best friend. This is a guy who was a a very wealthy guy, a white Russian who hated communism. And he was fascinated by this guy young enough to be his son who was working for a dollar an hour when we were stocking books and and deposit minimum wage job who had been a defector from his country. That makes no sense at all, but somehow that connection was made. So he was surrounded by people like that, who obviously were monitoring him at various ways.
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I remember reading Motive and Opportunity, which is a book by John Whittington. He was the personal secretary of h l Hunt. And he talked about a certain general that Lee Harvey Oswald was, accused of shooting at to in in an attempted assassination attempt. What was that general's name? Do you remember?
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Yeah. General Walker. That's that's Edward Walker. But yeah. And it's one of the more fanciful links. Again, some people still believe that. It's ridiculous. All the evidence for that comes from Marina. Marina was the star witness of the Warren Commission. And, you know, I have I have empathy for her because she was young and going through a terrible experience, and I'm sure they threatened her with all kinds of things. Wittington,
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in that book mentions that she Marina had come to visit h l Hunt soon after the, assassination of JFK. Oh, I didn't. And That's interesting. Was paid off you know, he he implies that she was paid off by h l Hunt.
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I'd I'd I had not heard that. I don't I didn't know how certainly h l Hunt and the the oil magnus have been mentioned as as possible conspirators over time. Well, it's yeah. They had JFKs. They had the oil, depletion allowance. Depletion allowance. Yeah. JFK wanted to eliminate that. So they they had a reason to to want this guy killed. Obviously, he was a threat to so many people, but but Marina Marina the the Walker shooting came from Marina's testimony. And Marina's testimony, you know, for whatever reason, you can she may have had her reasons, but it's completely ridiculous. It's contradictory. It makes no sense.
And, you know, Walker keep in mind, Walker was one of JFK's fiercest critics. He was in the opposite spectrum as JFK. So why would he wanna shoot him and then shoot a I mean, he never had the the record shows nothing but good things that Lee Harvey Oswald ever said about JFK. I I think Walker even, had associations with HL Hunt.
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In that book, I I remember there was an exchange between the two people. And as far as H. L. Hunt goes, he was the biggest petroleum supplier to America during World War two. So he had a lot to gain by promoting Vietnam. And if Kennedy was standing in the way, he was definitely an enemy to H. L. Hunt at and as far as what he stood to gain.
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Yeah. The Hunt the Hunt family, I I think it's maybe his grandson or whatever so long as the Kansas City Chiefs, which you you might know. A little bit of connection there. And I think it's Nelson Nelson Bunker Hunt, and then I I don't know what hunch it is, but it's it's like most sports teams. The
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Hunt Brothers. You remember the Hunt Brothers that bought up the silver market? Mhmm. Yes. In the seventies. Yeah. Yeah. And then Lamar and then the current Clark Hunt is the one who owns the Chiefs at the moment. Yes.
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Yeah. So so that's, yes. Well, they had there were so many, again, so many forces that I I I think they kinda came together. You know, John Barber, our friend John Barber, has told me and told other people that when he was talking to Jim Garrison, he was the first person to interview Jim Garrison after the place not Trump. It was, like, ten years in the last interviews Garrison gave. And he talked to him for many many years. And, one of the things that he said off that wasn't recorded, John Barber said he asked him, so who, you know, who do you think? Who's the who's the big enchilada? Is Jim and Katie's killer would have said, who is he who's the, you know, the trigger man for the assassination? And he told him it was Avril Hangman.
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Avril Herriman?
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Who Avril Henman. He was a blue blood eastern establishment guy, which, again, conflicts a little bit with, like, the Hunt brothers who would have been if you're if you're familiar with the Yankee cowboy war thing that Carl Oglesby wrote about, You would have the people like the Hunt brothers and LBJ, they would have been cowboys. And then you would have the the Bushes and the Rockefeller, they would have been the Yankees. So, definitely, Harriman would have been a Yankee. But we know Hermann, again, was part of JFK's administration, and, he supposedly, RFK almost got in a fist fight with Hermann over Vietnam because Hermann was not listening to he was he was undermining JFK's efforts in Vietnam.
He was trying to escalate behind his back. So he had a key reason. And, you know, again, look up the Harriman's biography. He was a very, very powerful figure. You know, behind several administrations for a long time. He was one of those people who's a CFR type yeah. That's always, you know, I'm sure he attended billable meetings and so forth. And, whether that's true, whether, you know, whether you know, I mean, Garrison certainly should have not as as well or better than anybody. So I think, you know, you have to throw throw that in as well. I did. I just think that people, you know, there was if they talked about it at the Bilderberger meeting, I don't know. They couldn't have because, you know, like, then the the price, you know, never never reported anything even though they had representatives.
No. Whatever it was, you had you had done something powerful enough and you had they had to know as Jim Garrison said, they had to know that major elements of the of the press, the media, from the very beginning would be on board and indeed they were. And so, you know, I published in my book in history at NBC. I had three networks then. And NBC was one of them, and, there was a, there was a a memo that NBC signed off on, the day or day or two days after the assassination, I forget. But right at the same time where they agreed, then it says, we agree only to broadcast information that is consistent with the FBI's version of the news.
Just think of a television network agreeing to that in writing. So that's what you were looking at. They were not going to so any kind of stuff you heard of, anybody who's coming running to them about Umbrella Man or Balushka Land, you know, any of these other things or talking about, fake secret service agents on the know all the stuff we know now was going on, they weren't gonna broadcast it because it wasn't you know, that wasn't consistent with the FBI's version of events. So that was the the major problem. If we if we had a free press, there were so many strengths. First of all, the press would have would have said, why were we seven floors back in a bus? Why were we stuck? That's why you have no professional footage of the motorcade.
If you look at that, you look at JFK's trip to to Texas. That's right. All of it's professionally filmed in the Houston Space Center. All of it's all filmed professionally. He gets the love field and right after Henry Ripka, the secret service agent who wasn't in on it, I talked to his, granddaughter, my friend William Locke talked to his son. We it was him. I don't care what anybody says. He's you know, he throws his hands up saying, WTF, you know, what's what's going on? He's people have probably seen that clip because he's he's starting to do what he's what training to do, which was jog alongside the rear wheel of the motorcade. And he was pulled off by Emery Roberts. And you can see him very frustrated saying, what the hell? You know? And, he he was, he died young like a lot of them. Emery Roberts actually did too.
But that's the last professional footage pretty much you see. After that, he's in the motorcade, and people have never wondered, okay. Why once he begins the motorcade, why is there no professional footage that? The reason why is because in all of JFK's other motorcade, press was in front of the limousine and they had their cameras focused on the handsome smiling JFK as he's waving to the crowd. Not this time. They were stuck on a bus seven seven, cars back in the limousine. So I mean, the, graveyard in the motorcade. So that's very suspicious. So that's why we had to rely on the supreme room.
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And basically and a few others. Yeah. There were two others in that, rush to judgment. Yeah. Nix
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Nix and much more. And, Nix's item is grand on her, and she's still trying to find the get the original the the Nix film back. But, I mean, so Prunus is the best of that bunch, but there's a woman called that we don't know who it was called the Babushka Lady that's can be seen filming from across the way. So she would have the grassy doll in the background and maybe the Sixth Floor. And, she's closer to the limo than the pruner was, so it would have been an interesting to see what that showed. She's never been identified. The Beverly Oliver came later about ten, fifteen years later and claimed to be her. I'm very dubious about that. But anyway, we don't know conclusively know who it was because they weren't investigating. If they weren't, they would have looked at the proof of film and they would have seen this woman. She's clearly seen with a, movie camera to lie.
In the background, they're saying, you know, go find who is that find who that is. They didn't try to just like they didn't try to find that new umbrella, man. It was a sunny day. They have a guy with a a an open umbrella pumping it up and down standing neck right next to the Stemmons Freeway sign, which is just precisely where the first shot was fired. And nobody, you know, years later, they came up with this clown, Steven Webb, who obviously wasn't him, but, you know, that they claimed he was protesting JFK's father's appeasement policies during World War two. So people are gonna look at an umbrella and say, oh, okay. He's protesting, and there was no sign or anything. This is stupid.
But they didn't conduct an investigation. If they had, that's the kind of stuff they would have been doing. They didn't do it. So that's, and and there's only a few of the critics look at it like I do. I look at that stuff and I say, you know, why wasn't there any professional footage? No one's ever answered that. And they should have talked to the people in charge of the of the of the, motorcade. And and what was the decision? Who made the decision to put the press, you know, seven cars back in a bus? That had never been done before. Why did you make that decision? But they again, they didn't do any of this. Why was the motorcade route changed at the last minute? We know it was changed at the last minute. So instead of, taking a direct ramp to the to the, Stemmons Freeway, they did this circuitous route, so they made two turns which violated the secret service pro and hung up because they were long and winding, and they had to slow down to make them.
And, of course, the second one happened to go right under the window where it might as well was working. So, you know, again, why why why wasn't that part of their investigation? Who made this change? Why did you make this change? It seems strange when you had a direct route there. So, those are the questions that weren't asked. And I I'm just about the only one asking these questions now because I can tell you the the research community is lost in, you know, chasing Damon Rollins and George Javanidis and various CIA officials that they may play the role, but, you know, they we know. And we know now looking at these documents, Angleton was involved.
We know from from Jim Jim Garrison that he thought Admiral Herman was involved. You know how and Dallas had to be involved, and he sat on the Warren Commission. So we know the Pentagon. I mean, they to get the joint chiefs of staff and the Pentagon, those people over there, JFK opposed them over and over again. He stopped nuclear war because they all unanimously wanted to go to to war with Cuba over the the Cuban missile crisis. He stopped that single handling and then he stopped their mad talking about doctor Strangelove. They were insane planned operation Northwoods, which and it's the entire joint chiefs of staff approved that. JFK was the only one who single handedly stopped that. So just imagine that they fell for this guy. He was and then he gives the American University speech, the greatest speech I think ever given by an American president where he he sees, our supposed enemies in in human terms, which has never been done before, hasn't been done since. So, that's why I continue to to to think so favorably of Kennedy. I think he was different than any other president we've had.
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Yes. He definitely was. And he was also the first Catholic president that we ever had. I I if you read there's a book by Paul Blanchard of Harvard Harvard back in the forties, late forties, called Catholic Power and American Freedom, which was very anti Catholic. But at the time, the Catholics were outnumbering the Protestants and vying for power with the the Jewish element of, you know, there's in America, it's basically Catholic, Protestant, Jew are the three ethnic groups that contend for power at any given time. And the Protestants had a lot of power throughout the, you know, the time span up to World War two.
Then it became a contest, and they didn't want a Catholic president getting in because it opened the door for a future Catholic president to create a Catholic state, you could say. And it was a threat to Protestants and Jews, and they saw him as as that. It's quite interesting, though, that the Dulles family and their relationship with everything going on because he the CIA in World War two had a large plot part to play with that. Joseph Kennedy, he was The UK Ambassador up until World War two. Just before that, he, you know, he he left the stage, but set the stage for World War two really in a lot of ways.
But at the same time, I I haven't really looked too much into Joseph Kennedy and his role in in World War two, but that's quite something.
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He's, I think I'm single handedly trying to restore his reputation. What the more I learn about Joseph Kennedy senior, the more I think he's the key to all the dead Kennedys, and there's been a lot of them. I think he was a great American, one of the greatest men of the twentieth century, and, he's been maligned. And
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Yeah. The the Brit the British, press did not like him very much because I think he may have been preventing war at a certain point. Yeah. Well, he he wanted to, and so he's been, you know, that that appeaser
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comment from from FDR that they still use again. For people that are for peace, they call them appeasers. He was one of the first I think he may have been the first one to be called an appeaser. And, he he was, you know, he most people don't understand. First of all, he was a lifelong anti war act advocate. So JFK came from it naturally. He was also opposed to World War one, and he first came into conflict with FDR during World War one. And we're and if you're on a typical chicken home, I can never never saw action anyone, but of course, has already gone home for World War One as assistant secretary of the Navy.
And he already, you know, him and Joe Kennedy had a few rivals then. And he he basically gave him the position of, ambassador of bread because, you know, I think Kennedy thought he might become secretary of treasury, some plum position. But, you know, Mr. R. Was gonna give him an earl pattern. So he gave him a ceremonial position like that. And he and he thought maybe great for that Kennedy, his family would enjoy it. I don't know what he thought. But when he went over there, he made all the right enemies of the church young Churchill who was just coming up. Churchill hated him, and, certainly FDR grew to despise him. And at the same time, Joe Joe Kennedy behind the scenes, he talked openly about Jewish panel.
We know that now. And and his kids were hearing this. So he and and when Israel was formed, there's a remarkable letter in the that 22 year old, before they were formed, that '29 must have published as an appendix to my book. I mean, look at memory of what they they have to do to include it. But he talked in there about, JFK told me to wrote to his father about the, the the rumors that they were gonna create this Israel. This was written in 1939. So it was, like, eight years before they it Israel became a state. And he analyzed it for a, twenty two year losing remarkable maturity and insight on JFK's part where he just goes over what a disaster this would be. And the way he talks to his father, you can tell they've discussed Jewish power many times over the dinner table. And, keep in mind also that, General Kennedy senior was one of the first critics of the Federal Reserve early on. He realized what a disaster it was.
He became good friends with James Forrestal, who became Truman's secretary of defense. Forrestal would later be pushed out of a window, but that's the Naval Hospital after he became loudly vocal about out what a stupid idea creating Israel was and what a disaster it was gonna be. So they killed him. Joe McCarthy was also good friends with Joe Kennedy and in my book, American Memory Hall, I do a lot, I think, to restore Joe McCarthy's reputation. He's another really been unfamiliar. This is a guy who they, they they associate with Hollywood blacklist when that was the House Un American Activities Committee, and and McCarthy served in the senate. He had nothing at all to do with that whatsoever, but they and so he was investigating subterfuge in the army.
So he made a lot of powerful enemies. He was one of the first ones to say that his friend James Forrestal was killed. That James Forrestal toured Europe with a young JFK. They were all good friends. So these are, you know, look what happened to all these people. McCarthy then after saying Forrestal was murdered at Bethesda Hospital, he goes into Bethesda Naval Hospital at age 48 with a knee problem. Dead two days later, age 48. No autopsy ever done. And so these are the kind of things that happened. So, you know, JFK is is watching all this stuff, you know, and understand that old Jim Kennedy is watching it. And so these are they're they're almost like and and I he would also like to do a study when you took because the Kennedy's I I don't know among the the richest families in America, at least then.
I don't know what other Catholic families, not the kind of the Kennedy. I mean, it probably was the richest Catholic family America had ever seen because almost all the other ones were Jews or the last, you know,
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old money. Yeah. Boston Brahmins.
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Yes. The Boston Brahmins. And that's why he was, you know, it it irked old Joe that he no matter how much money he had, he couldn't buy his way into those social clubs. They still because they were new money and they were Catholics. And, so there was that element as well. But, no. I I I think, the more we and then, one Ralph Kaye Junior's book Family Values, was is the only thing until I started defending. And the only person that has ever defended old Joe Kennedy against the lies, the the bootlegging and the mafia and the nineteen sixty election, all that is is nonsense, and they all comes from the same sources, the the CIA or the mafia, every bit of it. And No. Joe Kennedy.
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Oh, John Barber had told me that he was involved with the purchase of Paramount Pictures.
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Is that something that he was involved with that you can Well, he he was yeah. He was, yeah, he was one he had, I wasn't sure it was fine. I I thought he had his own studio, but, yeah, he Joe Kennedy did run a studio, and I and, again, keep in mind, he was he was in a distinct minority there because of all the studios except for Disney and, the one, Darryl Zanuck. I guess, Universal, I think, was Darryl Zanuck. Those are the only Gentiles. All the others were owned by Jews. So, again, Kennedy, that's probably where he maybe he he got his look at Jews and we didn't look what he's saying because,
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they wielded such power and here he didn't. Yeah. And he wasn't in their club. It reminds me there was a character named Joe Breen who was part of the the, Catholic legion of decency before the the rating system that we have now that if you look up Joe Breen, there's a lot that he was exposing.
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Go ahead. Yeah. No. I remember that. The cat the Catholic League of Decency was big. Like, they were so big in the eighties, probably. I don't know I don't know what happened to them, but I guess
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there's nothing decent left to do. What happened was they they they had this holocaust porn movie called The Pawnbroker with Rod Steiger where it broke the code. They showed bare breasts on on the the screen, and it was after the pawnbroker that hardcore pornography was allowed on the on theaters throughout. And I think John Barber was tells told a story about his his involvement in the whole obscenity trial against the Deep Throat film that was shown in, you know, it was shown in just regular small town, big town movie theaters like nothing nothing no big deal. And it it really wrecked any sort of control over Hollywood that could challenge the Jewish narrative in in that in that sphere. So our media has been controlled as a consequence as ever since that point.
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Absolutely. And, yeah. So but I so Joe Kennedy and I that's why I mean, I write a lot about the Kennedy families, Kennedy family, and I I you know, I there's there's there's people need to understand there's a there's a lot more Kennedy's died other than Jack and and and and, RFK. I mean, they're they're these they they were killing them back to, you know, their first son, Joe Kennedy junior, who was the apple of Joe Kennedy senior's aunt. Yeah. Wasn't he an b b what do they call him? B 16 17? 17 or 17. Yeah. But what he was he was a It was like a drone drone kamikaze mission. It was apparently, yeah. Well, and it was it was insane because it was near the end of the war, and he was told to go bomb a target that had been long abandoned by the Germans. So So it was a suicide mission. And he, you know, he famously, the Kennedy is, you know, known they're they're unfittingly known for being reckless. In this case, maybe he was, but he was, envious of his his small younger brother, Jake, who had already become a war hero on PT one zero nine. He was really famous for that, and he wanted to make his own home because he was the big brother.
And so he really foolishly volunteered for a mission he shouldn't have, and I think they took advantage of it. There's a lot of suspicion then as to what happened, why the plane blew up. And, but regardless, you know, that's who would have been the first candidate president because Joe Junior is being groomed by his father, and he was unlike Jack Kennedy, he was a natural politician. Jack Kennedy was an intellectual and and wanted him to remember.
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I I it makes me wonder what what Charles Lindbergh Junior's role with Joseph Kennedy was because it was a challenge at the time. Who was who was Joseph Kennedy supporting in that race for presidency? Was it FDR over the America First party? You know, was he a Republican over the America First or a Democrat?
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He he was it was at the time, Joe Kennedy was a member of the America First Committee, and he was he made speeches on their behalf. And, one of the great demonstrations oh, yeah. Yeah. You can see there. He made one of the greatest press anti war speeches I've ever heard. I think this video could have been on them somewhere where he he just he said, you know, I'd I'd like to ask all the parents of the world what, you know, what possible reason would you have to send your son in a foreign war to die in a foreign war or something? It was very simple like that. It was just, you know, very profound that it's and and, again, he was he he had protested World War one as well. He was against it and the the America First Committee was largely liberal.
You had people like John t Flynn who was the president of the, New York chapter whose career and I and American Memory Hall have a whole bunch of stuff on this one. We know now that FDR, invented cancel culture and got all these people fined and ruined their careers. And most of them had been liberals in good standing that were in writing for, you know, the liberal public and mainstream publications of the day and, they were they were blacklisted forever. A lot of them ended up becoming right wing extremists because nobody else would talk to them, by their experience. But, yeah, it was not a right wing so it's a brand that is not seen. All that stuff is crazy.
All these liberals were met they remembered World War one for which, you know, the court historians still can't give any plausible reason why however many millions died all over the world for absolutely no reason. Now they they can't even provide a fake reason. There's no reason for it. It was a bloodletting for no reason. So they didn't wanna go through that again. You're talking about this is barely, you know, fifteen years later. And they're already talking, beating the drum beats for people like Roosevelt and Churchill. They just, you know, they're they're foaming at the mouth to do this again.
And, naturally, they say so they're not gonna be taken in by you know, keep in mind that the four and a half got over the day was Hitler. The only thing that's happened is that all I ever heard. So, you know, they're they weren't buying it. And so the liberals where they held all these, you know, they they tried to tie them in with the nuts. They had no associates with the German. They admired what Hitler was doing. And and for the first several years, he was in power. Hitler was like a a regular socialist lady. He built the Autobahn and he built up the German infrastructure and he could really improve the German economy. It wasn't until he invaded Poland, you know, that that things would have took a different path. You're you're right. You're right about the America First being what they would call a progressive
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type party because the coalition that that built it up with Lindbergh, Lindbergh's father was, he was what you would call he wasn't an establishment Republican. He was an insurgent Republican, which he ended up supporting the Bull Moose Party and Teddy Roosevelt during that split, which, caused the election of Wilson to be the Democrat to to get power and become the president. So he yeah. It dates back to that. And, actually, in fact, Charles Lindbergh senior was respond was one of the few voices opposing the creation of the Federal Reserve.
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Yes. Yes. Yep. Yes. He had he left some great comments on the record there. And then Lindbergh was obviously very, Charles Lindbergh junior was also very, you know, very outspoken
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and is a a designer to keep us out of World War two. So, again, there's no He said there were three groups that wanted us in in war. It was the Roosevelt administration, the British, and the Jewish. And there's a Yeah. Yeah. There's a famous speech of him down in Dubuque, Iowa or Des Moines, Iowa, 09/11/1941, which was the same day the Pentagon groundbreaking took place where he he talked about it. And he got a lot of boos and but a lot of cheaters at the same time from people. And there's there were hecklers and all sorts of things going on during that speech, but that's a definitely a good speech to listen to regarding him. I have a little personal story about Lindbergh because my family is related to them. My great grandpa, his aunt, was married. He's the first wife to Charles senior and Wow. Grew up with Charles junior.
And in fact, I was told that he used to fly his airplane into my great grandpa's barnyard
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back in the day. Wow. So Very interesting. That's interesting. Yeah. And I've written that's a whole different subject. I've also written about the Lindbergh kidnapping where he Lindbergh, you know, Lindbergh was very, you know, noted antiwar activist and remember our first advocate, but he also realized he was a really a demented practical junker. He just was one of these guys that and there's a lot of people that believe the Lindbergh baby kidnapping was a practical joke that went around. I don't know. I don't know if I've read it in the social. People that say it was a a Jewish ritual murder. So Yes. Yes. Yes. You can make that statement. Because of it. Yeah. Because of the time of the year and who Lindbergh was. No. He would have been someone they would target. I want I wanna talk a little bit about,
[00:52:58] Unknown:
En Go, Dinh Diem, who was the the Catholic Yeah. Leader of Vietnam. He was killed 11/02/1963, just before JFK. So that time period after Diem was assassinated to the time Kennedy was assassinated is well worth looking into into JFK and what was going on in his mind at the time looking back. Because the CIA was involved in Diem's assassination from what I've read. And the Dulles family too. I was before this show, on on Radio Windmiller here, I was playing Candace Owens going into the JFK files and all that sort of thing. She was talking about the Dulles family and about, well, Avery, he he ended up becoming a Catholic bishop. He converted because of father Feeney, father Leonard Feeney.
But Eleanor Dulles was married to a Jewish professor, and she blamed her brothers for driving her husband to suicide. And she also was, a person that gave code the Nazi enigma type codes to a guy by the name of Reuven Shiloah, who was the, founder of the Mossad. Wow. If you listen to Candace Owens' latest broadcast, she talk goes into that in the deep Candace Owens is
[00:54:22] Unknown:
boy, she's amazing now with this. She's so different. Yeah. She's It's definitely refreshing. When Shapiro created a monster there, boy, because she, you know, she was just a regular conserved. Yeah. She's wonderful. I I love her work. And, but, yeah. No. That that last 20 or so, you know, between the DM's assassination and and and and JFK's was very telling because I think things were coming to a head with the CIA. Things were coming to a head in Vietnam. And I'm sure I'm quite sure that JFK understood the ramifications of Jim being killed. I know he was very, distraught.
You know, he was really, really upset about it. And and I not just for the fact that I think he he wanted to work with Jim, but I think he, he recognized what it might mean for him. And I think he knew again that, you know, there was a a story that appeared in the the New York Times, and most people thinks that the source was JFK himself. And it was planted there by a writer who was a close lifelong friend of his father, Joe Kennedy senior, and it basically was the source saying that he was concerned about the CIA's power. It it sound a lot of what, you know, Schlesinger now, we know, said in that memo to him that, they were becoming a foreign government unto itself. Yeah. And then something like I said, the president basically, the president wasn't sure he could control it. Again, I think most people think JFK himself was the source for that. Yep. And if they should
[00:55:53] Unknown:
we're coming toward the end of the show just to let you know that. So, yeah, definitely definitely, I want you to come back, and we're gonna talk more about this, I hope I hope in the future. And, maybe we can even get John Barber involved in in a show if he's still up to it, if his health, you know, God willing, he could. But, please tell everybody where they can find your work.
[00:56:19] Unknown:
Well, Substack is the only place I'm not being chatter banned, so that's Donald Jeffries at Substack dot com. It's called My Protest. You can follow me at Don Jeffries on x. It has loosened up a bit under Elon Musk. So, my books are all out there. I have 10 of them. The latest is American Memory. All historians promote disinformation. So for real. But people may want to support me. Please become a subscriber at Substack.
[00:56:41] Unknown:
Great. Thank you, Donald. And I'm gonna let the music play out, but thank you very much for joining us and for your work and and all the, you know, you're like you said, you're probably one of the few people asking these questions, and that's why I wanted to talk to you this afternoon and and pick your brain a bit because I only know so much, and I know you know a lot more facts and details than I I do, but I really appreciate you coming on here and being with me right now. It's always a pleasure. Thanks for having me, Patrick. Alright. Well, you have a good rest of your day, and, thank you everyone for listening to our show. This is Patrick Chanel, and this is Radio Windmiller, and this is an an edition of I Remember.
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Lyndon Johnson told an And we're with Donald Jeffries. This is Patrick Chanel on Radio Windmiller and I think we're gonna call this an I remember show. The first I remember show I did was with, Mr. John Barber. Now I'm with Donald Jeffries. It's 03/23/2025. It's the third Sunday in length, and I'm gonna be joined here with Donald shortly.
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Black pajamas and come lobbing mortar shells at me. But Lyndon Johnson told the nation, have no fear of escalation. I am trying everyone to please. Though it isn't really war, we're sending 50,000 more to help save Vietnam from Vietnamese.
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Alright, Donald. How are you this this fine day?
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Hi. Thanks for having me, Patrick.
[00:02:09] Unknown:
Yeah. It's good to have you back. We did a show with, for actually, it was for, Dennis Fetchell out in Saudi Arabia. We did a fill in show for him with and mister Maleficus Scott back in the day. That was our first show, and then I did a show with you. I think it was after the last not this past Super Bowl, but the Super Bowl at before that. Wow. Time flies. Yeah. Yeah. So so how have you been, Donald?
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Good. Hanging in there amidst the madness is, you know, interesting times we live in. That's for sure.
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Oh, yeah. Definitely. Now I wanted you to come today because it's quite, serendipitous that, these, JFK files have been dropped, supposedly. And I wanna get your opinion about, what's going on.
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So Well, yeah. I I've been talking. I'm writing a lot about it. I, think I've gone through, you know, plenty of them. There's a lot there. They're not easy to go through. There's no search function. So, it's it's a very tedious task. So there could be other stuff in there. But, what we're finding and there there are there are some, I mean, they may this may need may mean more to people like me who, you know, are lost in the minutiae, and I'm looking for these kinds of things. So to the average person, maybe it doesn't mean as much. But, what we're seeing certainly is we have a lots of, stuff that points again at the CIA, and an increasing number of things that point in Israel's direction. In fact, we have, in the files, we have references from the CIA, requesting that all all references to Israel be redacted, which is an odd thing for the CIA to do. What what connection do they have with Israel?
So, and James Angleton, James Jesus Angleton, that was his middle name. I don't know how he got that middle name. He wasn't Hispanic to my he wasn't Jesus to my knowledge. So I I don't I've never heard of anyone naming their, English anyone. And and, you know, an Anglo Saxon naming their child Jesus is kinda sacrilegious. But anyway, his name was James Jesus Angleton, one of the CIA's weirdest, oddest characters they ever had. And, he had tons of connections to Israel on the Mossad, and we learn here in these files that, it's very fine. I mean, all those people who who were somehow thinking Oswald might not have been connected to the CIA or the FBI.
In here, we have documentation that James Angleton recruited Oswald as a 21 year old marine into the CIA, kept tabs on him for the next four years until the next yeah. Next four years until he, denied after JFK assassination. In fact, the week before the assassination, he had a huge file on Oswald on his desk in his office. So that's the kind of stuff we learned there. We also, learned that, Earthless Schlesinger junior was kind of the quintessential liberal of his day. I remember an educated guy, kind of an egghead as they used to call him back then. One of JFK's close agencies he aids. He wrote A Thousand Days, which is probably still the most famous book written about the Kennedy administration. And, he he he composed a 15 page memo, detailing his concerns about the CIA being a a state within a state as he called it, you know, have power into itself. Then he also documented JFK's concerns about the say CIA from the beginning of his administration. So I think there's a lot of smoke thing. I think, again, just if people are doubting it, certainly, that the CIA was involved in some way, there's a lot better showing it.
We now know let's look for certain we already know he had a two zero one file, and he was definitely involved with the CIA. There are strong indications he was also involved with the FBI. So he was being manipulated by lots of people, and I think it's it's pretty clear to see. It doesn't take much speculation to to envision as I did in the book I wrote, with my friend, William Law, pipe the bamboo and red, where we talked about the, New Orleans New Orleans characters, which a lot of them were pictured in the Oliver Stone's shape of k. That's what happened, I think, to Oswald. I think he get he was told, to infiltrate a plot that that was planning to kill the president. I think that was his assignment.
And he got connected to all these figures, and he ended up being manipulated into becoming the patsy.
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Yeah. Jim Garrison had a lot to do with, documenting that and and going after witnesses and and that sort of thing. Last night, I I was listening to a documentary by Mark Lane called Rush to Judgment, and I'm sure you're probably familiar with that. I've heard you talk about it before. Quite eye opening when you when you start to hear the eyewitness testimony and ear witness testimony to what took place on that day and where where they said the shots were fired from and where the Warren Commission report claimed that it that they took place, which was the book suppository or suppository depository.
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Yeah.
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So he he and he, Mark Lane did quite a a good job with that. And I I remember you telling me that you knew Mark Lane personally?
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Yeah. I I, well, I I got you know, I knew it. My I, he was my hero. And, as a teenager, I first, you know, became involved in researching this in the mid nineteen seventies. And, I heard that Mark Lane, who, you know, had read the book of judgment, his book with the same name, was a best seller. Still probably the biggest seller on the Kennedy assassination ever written, I think. When he had a group called the citizens, committee of inquiry, and, he had chapters all over the country. They were trying to lobby congress to reopen the assassination. It's the, hostility committee hadn't been formed yet. So, I jumped on that, and I volunteered, and I'd be I was the the, chairman of my group in in Virginia.
And so I got to meet him and, had a very interesting encounter with him that I wrote about in Hidden History, in his office. And, yeah, it was heavy stuff. I got to go to the National Archives because I was a member of CCI, and I had a personal tour, and I I I held the gun and the the magic bullet, and the clues were brought out to me, JFK's clothes. And I had a private screening of this approval film where I had a a little film where I could, you know, I could go frame by frame, and it's very nice little comfortable room. So I was, like, 18 years old, so I felt like a big shot. And, but, yeah, Lane did some great work, obviously. And, again, he was a personal hero of mine. I developed my own civil libertarian philosophy.
Really, he was the most one instrumental in doing that because he was a civil libertarian, back when we had some in this country. I think I'm about the last one left at this point.
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What was his role in the campaign of John f Kennedy?
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Well, he was he, he was an assembly man in New York, and I think he ended up, a group at I don't know if he was a if he I think he was headed in New York Democrats for the academy or something like that. But, yeah, he was he was definitely involved. And and, of course, you know, he never I guess he got to meet JFK in in that aspect. I don't think he knew him really, but, he had closer ties later to, I don't think he knew RFK, but he he knew lots of people around him. And Mark Lane was one of the ones that was, talking about that if RFK would, was, he said, you know, there's guns between him. We've came the president when he was running for presidency, when he was running for, in 1968.
And, he's one of the ones that claimed that we've came behind the scenes, was telling his advisors that, you know, if he got elected although publicly, he was saying he believed the Warren report in private, he was, saying the opposite and he would have reopened the investigation. So Lane Lane actually had more contact with him, I think, but he was the chairman of some group of for Duncrest in New York.
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Okay. What do you what do you think happened on that day? What give me, some idea of motives and opportunity of the people and players involved in it. And I assume you you believe there's more than one player, obviously. So do I. You.
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I'm sorry. That's alright. No no worries. Yeah. It's a lot. Yeah. It's good. Yeah. Sorry about that. So what was your question?
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I I'm I'm just wondering I wanna know what you think happened on that day, the motive and opportunity of the players involved in the assassination of JFK given your body of research.
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Well, I think, you know, the only thing that I'm always willing to say for certain is that whatever happened, it wasn't what they tell you it happened. They lie they're lying to you. All we had to kill JFK. It wasn't anything with the hospital. They proved inadvertently, they proved conclusively that Oswald couldn't have done it. So then you look at who and you look at who now we know now that we know this about Angleton, I think we can add Angleton, who was probably the point man in the CIA. I think a lot I a consortium of forces that wanted to kill Kennedy came together. The CIA obviously had reason to get rid of him. He was he was considering abolishing the CIA if he was removed.
So imagine the impact there. You had Allen Dulles also in the CIA who was who was in the CIA who JFK fined after the Bay of Pigs, who hated him and hated to get, JFK's fine as well. He ended up in the Warren Commission, didn't he? Right. And he ended up in the Warren Commission. So I think at least those two guys, I think, were probably spearheading the CIA. In the Pentagon, you had people like general Colonel LeMay, doctor Strangelove, you know, the character was based on. Yeah. That that reminds me. There was a part that Slim Pickens had a line
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in doctor Strangelove where he was the pilot, Doctor Mhmm. Kong, I think was his name. And Mhmm. He they go through their survival kits, and it's, like, all these different things, like lipstick and prophylactics and all this thing. And then he at the end of it, the original line that he said was, shoot, a fella could have a pretty good time in Dallas with all that stuff. Oh, that's I forgot that. Yeah. Yeah. And they changed it to Vegas at the after it came out because it came out right near the time just before Right. Or just after Kennedy was assassinated.
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Right. I think yeah. I think I think it was just before. Yeah. And that's that's interesting. I didn't know that. But, yeah, certainly. And LeMay was, you know, was a real mad man, Haney Kennedy. Other other there are other generals, other people. I mean, probably most of the leadership of the Pentagon, Haney Kennedy. So they would have been on board with something like that. And you have, what I'm what I did find so far in the files, but someone had sent me, there's a rumor out there that there's, what they call a JFK hit memo, that comes from the same resolution. And I I don't somebody sent me early on what looked like an official memo from them. I don't know. I can't find it anywhere. And I can't get whoever sent it to me to tell me. I've been asking people because people send me all the stuff. I can't remember who sent it, but, and in the memo, it it talks about, JFK printing silver certificates and how dangerous this is. And it it uses coded language to say, you know, this must be neutropos or something. It doesn't say killed, but you you can get that message. So if that's the case, you have to add someone in the Federal Reserve was involved.
And if you look at, again, the connection with Israel on why they're trying to cover this up so much, we know at the time of his assassination, JFK was involved in a really, powerful feud with David Ben Gurion, the president of Israel, where were them developing nuclear weapons. They had a series exchange of series of nasty rumors and phone calls. Well, we didn't find out about that for decades, and they hosted up for a long time too. Now the community is, you know, finally willing to talk about it, but for for a while, they wouldn't. They just say you're anti Semitic if you've mentioned it. So it seems like there was something then, and the fact that these these files mentioned Israel a lot, and, you know, the CIA saying redact any references to Israel. We don't I don't have a little connections to the Mossad in Israel. So, who knows? It's possible there's some kind of connection there. We know the FBI. We know J. Edgar Hoover hated the Kennedys, and, Kennedy was planning to force, no, Janek or Hoover to retire if he got reelected.
So he had him. Well, then he certainly and then you have LBJ who despise the Kennedys as well and wanted to be president. As Richard Nixon said later when somebody was, you know, kind of talking to him about it, he said, you know, he wanted to be president really bad too. He said, just not enough to kill for it. And so, you know, kinda comparing himself to LBJ, you know, that was on the surface you see, I mean, that that had motives, and then you have the people that had to have been involved. McGeorge Gundy is the national security adviser. I've talked to him before. I think he was definitely an insider in the White House who knew about the conspiracy because he he wrote national security action memorandum February, the day of the assassination.
It completely contradicted the recent February memorandums, which describe the withdrawal from Vietnam. We talked about having a thousand forces out by the end of nineteen sixty three. Every all American forces in by 1965. This completely flipped out on its head and talked about, you know, helping them and all that. And as I said, you know, JFK, not only wouldn't have signed it, he would have filed McGeorge Bundy for writing it. I mean, so there's obviously, he never saw it, but, obviously, Mc Bundy wrote it because he knew JFK would never see it. And Lyndon Johnson, of course, was happy to sign it. So I think you look at McGeorge Bundy as as as a so there's plenty of people there, and you look at the the secret service where if you had a real investigation, they would have been the first people at questions. Because that's the most obvious, conspiratorial, element there is what happened in Dealey Plaza. The Secret Service didn't react. Nobody reacted in six seconds, and you had, Emery Roberts who was in charge of the, the detail in Dealey Plaza. He is seen on film waving agents off a couple times when they tried to do their job and is holding them back. So he's one of the first if I don't run the investigation, he's one of the first people I I haven't shared with us at all and said, what are you doing? Or what the management is not the guy from doing his job saving the president.
And, of course, the the driver, William Greer, would be there as well. I asked him, what what are you doing? Or were you trained to stop or all stop the motorcade as 59 people testified to that we're all connect unconnected to each other? Is that what your training is when you hear gunfire? So those are the, even real investigation, but, obviously, we never real investigation wasn't conducted.
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No. That's think Go ahead. Go ahead. No. Go ahead. So, I mean, no. Go ahead. But that that's basically it. I was gonna say the Mark Lane's rush to judgment talks about how half the police force were under, you know, in some some way or another associated with Jack Ruby and his establishment, his, strip club or whatever it was. It was kind of like a something like a lot of seedy business going on there, drug running and prostitution and as well
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as bribery and that sort of thing with the police. Ruby knew basically all the Dallas police. So you so you have, you have that element as well. You would have to have somebody now now the problem with the local police is, because when when these foul element crimes high profile crimes happen, we see the police and they're they're it's always the same story, but I think that's because the police are largely incompetent all the time. So I'm not sure how much incompetence is involved in there and how much, I think, you know, maybe the people at the top or they were insiders in the Dallas police that they, you know, that the spheres, had the cooperation of.
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Or they or they were blackmailed The there's Yeah. Sure. I understand. If they're doing seedy things or, you know, drinking on the job and even, you know, something simple like that can be a motivation for somebody.
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A lot of these people got the message that, oh, we got right afterwards that, when they saw what was being reported, they saw, you know, what people were talking about. Like, you know, there there was a photograph of Oswald. I think somebody who looks much just like Oswald's been around since the, right after the assassination. And Alcon's photograph for it looks very much like Oswald in the doorway of the Book Depository Building at the exact moment, JFK is grabbing for his throat. So, obviously, he couldn't have shot him from the Sixth Floor if he was there. Yeah. They went they went to desperate measures to claim this was a guy named Billy Lovelady who was a was strange, looked like he did look a lot like and had worked with him. One of the biggest improvement that was him. And there's another there's another people that believe some called prayer realm that they believe that Oswald was standing farther back, but that's really hard to see. It's indistinct shadows. But if he had been there in some capacity, again, what people say, well, someone would have talked. Well, once the story began to take forward and you see everybody else saying on this side, do you really wanna be the first one to bring it? Well, you know, as well as standing right through the door.
I'm already hearing about people being murdered and stuff. So I think that, a lot of that comes into play too. And a lot of the Dallas police, the ones that tried to do the job. I mean, Seymour Weitzman was, he was one of the two officers who supposedly found the the riffle in the Sixth Floor on the Sixth Floor of the DeBossere Building. And, he and Eugene Bowen, the officers, they both signed sworn affidavits, incorrectly identifying it the same way, both identifying as a German Mauser. Was it Italian Malak or Kazanese? So as I'm pointing out before, if Oswald had gone to trial, now he wouldn't have been in an honest courtroom, so it wouldn't have mattered. But in an honest courtroom, that they they would have had to declare a mistrial. Because if I was his defense attorney, the first thing I would do is submit those affidavits.
And so, your honor, I'm I'm presenting I I I strike for a mistrial. There is no murder weapon that could be introduced at this trial because here's here's the legal this is that's the legal chain of possession. The legal chain of possession for that rifle was German Mauser. And there is no chain of possession of the Italian men that are it just becomes that. They were mistaken. That's not how it's supposed to work. A good defense defense attorney would say, what do you mean you were you're both mistaken the exact same way? And then as Mark Lane said when he testified before the Warren Commission, he was the only critic to do that. He requested that the man liquor carcano be brought out. And he said, gentlemen, I'm no expert in guns, but I can tell you right now that this isn't a German weapon. And he pointed the fact that made in Italy was stamped right on the rifle barrel.
So you don't you can't make a mistake like that. It's impossible. And so that's the kind of thing. And in this you have the same problem with the magic bullet. The the providence for the magic bullet, I've written about that. It went through so many hands. Half of them didn't mark it. Again, everybody that touches something like that has to mark it or the chain of possession is broken. And then you had, two years ago, Paul Landis, last surviving secret service agent at JFK's detail, suddenly came out of the woodwork and said, he found the bullet on top of the back seat of the limousines. Nobody ever heard of that before, sixty years.
Where did this come from? And he he picked instead of, you know, marking it with his initials and starting the chain of possession as he was trained to do, he put it in his pocket, went back in the hospital, and stuck it on a stretcher. Can you think of anything more ridiculous? And not only but the the people it was largely nobody even criminalized him for it. Now if we had an honest government at this point, he could still be charged with something. You know, you know, the the destruction of it, not destruction of evidence or not destruction of evidence or something. So that's the problem with the entire case against Oswald. None of it. They're all the the the piss the gun that supposedly shot Tippett and the bullets, they don't mean there's all there's chain of possession on everything that doesn't match.
And that's the problem with it. If if Oswald had gone to trial, he couldn't have been convicted in an honest courtroom, but he would have been because it wouldn't have been an honest courtroom, and he probably would have had a, you know, the same kind of ridiculous lawyer that James Earl Ray had and Sirhan Sirhan had and Well, dead the Boston B U. Dead men don't talk. He wouldn't have had a chance to to even tell what his side of the story was. Right. Because he's he was killed as a company. Absolutely. Yeah. Because he would've you know, he, he and he was he was I I think Oswald was a patriotic American, whatever he thought he was. And, he thought he was stopping something, you know. And he thought, you know, he thought he was doing doing his service for his country, working for the FBI and the CIA.
But, so he would have that I think that's why he kept saying I didn't shoot anybody, but he didn't he didn't say, I'm I'm, you know, I'm investigating this. I'm going undercover for he didn't wanna blow his comfort. Wasn't that And I think he was wet. Oh, go ahead. Go ahead. You think he was wet? There's a bit of a delay. No. I think I no. I think he didn't wanna blow his comfort. He couldn't say, you know, what do you mean? I was I'm working undercover, you know, for the FBI and the CIA. He didn't wanna do that, especially in that day and age. And, I mean, certainly, nobody was gonna fake thing at the time, but, yeah. I don't so that's what I would've obviously, would've loved to see him live and and see what the real story was, and we just have to speculate at this point. But the the picture is becoming clearer that he was anybody at this point that believes he was, like, her all remember these idiots do that he was a middle he was a loser. He wasn't a loser. He's 68 with a couple of intelligence agencies. He he spoke Russian fluently somehow.
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And, No. His wife was Russian, Marina.
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Yes. She was. And and she, you know, after his so called and he I we think he was part of a false defector program, and that probably was had to do with his work with the CIA, where he pretended to defect. Because, you know, again, he he was allowed back into the country at the height of the cold war with he wasn't even debriefed. And he had a Russian wife who I think her uncle was a official in the with the KGB, let him right back in. No questions asked. And he he settles eventually in Dallas where, this guy George de Morinjoldt, who was, you talk about a blow blot. I mean, this guy has connections. He dated George de Morinjoldt dated Jackie Kennedy's mother. He bounced a little Jackie on his knee. He was friends with the family, Bouvier's.
And, he becomes Lee Harvey Oswald's best friend. This is a guy who was a a very wealthy guy, a white Russian who hated communism. And he was fascinated by this guy young enough to be his son who was working for a dollar an hour when we were stocking books and and deposit minimum wage job who had been a defector from his country. That makes no sense at all, but somehow that connection was made. So he was surrounded by people like that, who obviously were monitoring him at various ways.
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I remember reading Motive and Opportunity, which is a book by John Whittington. He was the personal secretary of h l Hunt. And he talked about a certain general that Lee Harvey Oswald was, accused of shooting at to in in an attempted assassination attempt. What was that general's name? Do you remember?
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Yeah. General Walker. That's that's Edward Walker. But yeah. And it's one of the more fanciful links. Again, some people still believe that. It's ridiculous. All the evidence for that comes from Marina. Marina was the star witness of the Warren Commission. And, you know, I have I have empathy for her because she was young and going through a terrible experience, and I'm sure they threatened her with all kinds of things. Wittington,
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in that book mentions that she Marina had come to visit h l Hunt soon after the, assassination of JFK. Oh, I didn't. And That's interesting. Was paid off you know, he he implies that she was paid off by h l Hunt.
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I'd I'd I had not heard that. I don't I didn't know how certainly h l Hunt and the the oil magnus have been mentioned as as possible conspirators over time. Well, it's yeah. They had JFKs. They had the oil, depletion allowance. Depletion allowance. Yeah. JFK wanted to eliminate that. So they they had a reason to to want this guy killed. Obviously, he was a threat to so many people, but but Marina Marina the the Walker shooting came from Marina's testimony. And Marina's testimony, you know, for whatever reason, you can she may have had her reasons, but it's completely ridiculous. It's contradictory. It makes no sense.
And, you know, Walker keep in mind, Walker was one of JFK's fiercest critics. He was in the opposite spectrum as JFK. So why would he wanna shoot him and then shoot a I mean, he never had the the record shows nothing but good things that Lee Harvey Oswald ever said about JFK. I I think Walker even, had associations with HL Hunt.
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In that book, I I remember there was an exchange between the two people. And as far as H. L. Hunt goes, he was the biggest petroleum supplier to America during World War two. So he had a lot to gain by promoting Vietnam. And if Kennedy was standing in the way, he was definitely an enemy to H. L. Hunt at and as far as what he stood to gain.
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Yeah. The Hunt the Hunt family, I I think it's maybe his grandson or whatever so long as the Kansas City Chiefs, which you you might know. A little bit of connection there. And I think it's Nelson Nelson Bunker Hunt, and then I I don't know what hunch it is, but it's it's like most sports teams. The
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Hunt Brothers. You remember the Hunt Brothers that bought up the silver market? Mhmm. Yes. In the seventies. Yeah. Yeah. And then Lamar and then the current Clark Hunt is the one who owns the Chiefs at the moment. Yes.
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Yeah. So so that's, yes. Well, they had there were so many, again, so many forces that I I I think they kinda came together. You know, John Barber, our friend John Barber, has told me and told other people that when he was talking to Jim Garrison, he was the first person to interview Jim Garrison after the place not Trump. It was, like, ten years in the last interviews Garrison gave. And he talked to him for many many years. And, one of the things that he said off that wasn't recorded, John Barber said he asked him, so who, you know, who do you think? Who's the who's the big enchilada? Is Jim and Katie's killer would have said, who is he who's the, you know, the trigger man for the assassination? And he told him it was Avril Hangman.
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Avril Herriman?
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Who Avril Henman. He was a blue blood eastern establishment guy, which, again, conflicts a little bit with, like, the Hunt brothers who would have been if you're if you're familiar with the Yankee cowboy war thing that Carl Oglesby wrote about, You would have the people like the Hunt brothers and LBJ, they would have been cowboys. And then you would have the the Bushes and the Rockefeller, they would have been the Yankees. So, definitely, Harriman would have been a Yankee. But we know Hermann, again, was part of JFK's administration, and, he supposedly, RFK almost got in a fist fight with Hermann over Vietnam because Hermann was not listening to he was he was undermining JFK's efforts in Vietnam.
He was trying to escalate behind his back. So he had a key reason. And, you know, again, look up the Harriman's biography. He was a very, very powerful figure. You know, behind several administrations for a long time. He was one of those people who's a CFR type yeah. That's always, you know, I'm sure he attended billable meetings and so forth. And, whether that's true, whether, you know, whether you know, I mean, Garrison certainly should have not as as well or better than anybody. So I think, you know, you have to throw throw that in as well. I did. I just think that people, you know, there was if they talked about it at the Bilderberger meeting, I don't know. They couldn't have because, you know, like, then the the price, you know, never never reported anything even though they had representatives.
No. Whatever it was, you had you had done something powerful enough and you had they had to know as Jim Garrison said, they had to know that major elements of the of the press, the media, from the very beginning would be on board and indeed they were. And so, you know, I published in my book in history at NBC. I had three networks then. And NBC was one of them, and, there was a, there was a a memo that NBC signed off on, the day or day or two days after the assassination, I forget. But right at the same time where they agreed, then it says, we agree only to broadcast information that is consistent with the FBI's version of the news.
Just think of a television network agreeing to that in writing. So that's what you were looking at. They were not going to so any kind of stuff you heard of, anybody who's coming running to them about Umbrella Man or Balushka Land, you know, any of these other things or talking about, fake secret service agents on the know all the stuff we know now was going on, they weren't gonna broadcast it because it wasn't you know, that wasn't consistent with the FBI's version of events. So that was the the major problem. If we if we had a free press, there were so many strengths. First of all, the press would have would have said, why were we seven floors back in a bus? Why were we stuck? That's why you have no professional footage of the motorcade.
If you look at that, you look at JFK's trip to to Texas. That's right. All of it's professionally filmed in the Houston Space Center. All of it's all filmed professionally. He gets the love field and right after Henry Ripka, the secret service agent who wasn't in on it, I talked to his, granddaughter, my friend William Locke talked to his son. We it was him. I don't care what anybody says. He's you know, he throws his hands up saying, WTF, you know, what's what's going on? He's people have probably seen that clip because he's he's starting to do what he's what training to do, which was jog alongside the rear wheel of the motorcade. And he was pulled off by Emery Roberts. And you can see him very frustrated saying, what the hell? You know? And, he he was, he died young like a lot of them. Emery Roberts actually did too.
But that's the last professional footage pretty much you see. After that, he's in the motorcade, and people have never wondered, okay. Why once he begins the motorcade, why is there no professional footage that? The reason why is because in all of JFK's other motorcade, press was in front of the limousine and they had their cameras focused on the handsome smiling JFK as he's waving to the crowd. Not this time. They were stuck on a bus seven seven, cars back in the limousine. So I mean, the, graveyard in the motorcade. So that's very suspicious. So that's why we had to rely on the supreme room.
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And basically and a few others. Yeah. There were two others in that, rush to judgment. Yeah. Nix
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Nix and much more. And, Nix's item is grand on her, and she's still trying to find the get the original the the Nix film back. But, I mean, so Prunus is the best of that bunch, but there's a woman called that we don't know who it was called the Babushka Lady that's can be seen filming from across the way. So she would have the grassy doll in the background and maybe the Sixth Floor. And, she's closer to the limo than the pruner was, so it would have been an interesting to see what that showed. She's never been identified. The Beverly Oliver came later about ten, fifteen years later and claimed to be her. I'm very dubious about that. But anyway, we don't know conclusively know who it was because they weren't investigating. If they weren't, they would have looked at the proof of film and they would have seen this woman. She's clearly seen with a, movie camera to lie.
In the background, they're saying, you know, go find who is that find who that is. They didn't try to just like they didn't try to find that new umbrella, man. It was a sunny day. They have a guy with a a an open umbrella pumping it up and down standing neck right next to the Stemmons Freeway sign, which is just precisely where the first shot was fired. And nobody, you know, years later, they came up with this clown, Steven Webb, who obviously wasn't him, but, you know, that they claimed he was protesting JFK's father's appeasement policies during World War two. So people are gonna look at an umbrella and say, oh, okay. He's protesting, and there was no sign or anything. This is stupid.
But they didn't conduct an investigation. If they had, that's the kind of stuff they would have been doing. They didn't do it. So that's, and and there's only a few of the critics look at it like I do. I look at that stuff and I say, you know, why wasn't there any professional footage? No one's ever answered that. And they should have talked to the people in charge of the of the of the, motorcade. And and what was the decision? Who made the decision to put the press, you know, seven cars back in a bus? That had never been done before. Why did you make that decision? But they again, they didn't do any of this. Why was the motorcade route changed at the last minute? We know it was changed at the last minute. So instead of, taking a direct ramp to the to the, Stemmons Freeway, they did this circuitous route, so they made two turns which violated the secret service pro and hung up because they were long and winding, and they had to slow down to make them.
And, of course, the second one happened to go right under the window where it might as well was working. So, you know, again, why why why wasn't that part of their investigation? Who made this change? Why did you make this change? It seems strange when you had a direct route there. So, those are the questions that weren't asked. And I I'm just about the only one asking these questions now because I can tell you the the research community is lost in, you know, chasing Damon Rollins and George Javanidis and various CIA officials that they may play the role, but, you know, they we know. And we know now looking at these documents, Angleton was involved.
We know from from Jim Jim Garrison that he thought Admiral Herman was involved. You know how and Dallas had to be involved, and he sat on the Warren Commission. So we know the Pentagon. I mean, they to get the joint chiefs of staff and the Pentagon, those people over there, JFK opposed them over and over again. He stopped nuclear war because they all unanimously wanted to go to to war with Cuba over the the Cuban missile crisis. He stopped that single handling and then he stopped their mad talking about doctor Strangelove. They were insane planned operation Northwoods, which and it's the entire joint chiefs of staff approved that. JFK was the only one who single handedly stopped that. So just imagine that they fell for this guy. He was and then he gives the American University speech, the greatest speech I think ever given by an American president where he he sees, our supposed enemies in in human terms, which has never been done before, hasn't been done since. So, that's why I continue to to to think so favorably of Kennedy. I think he was different than any other president we've had.
[00:37:09] Unknown:
Yes. He definitely was. And he was also the first Catholic president that we ever had. I I if you read there's a book by Paul Blanchard of Harvard Harvard back in the forties, late forties, called Catholic Power and American Freedom, which was very anti Catholic. But at the time, the Catholics were outnumbering the Protestants and vying for power with the the Jewish element of, you know, there's in America, it's basically Catholic, Protestant, Jew are the three ethnic groups that contend for power at any given time. And the Protestants had a lot of power throughout the, you know, the time span up to World War two.
Then it became a contest, and they didn't want a Catholic president getting in because it opened the door for a future Catholic president to create a Catholic state, you could say. And it was a threat to Protestants and Jews, and they saw him as as that. It's quite interesting, though, that the Dulles family and their relationship with everything going on because he the CIA in World War two had a large plot part to play with that. Joseph Kennedy, he was The UK Ambassador up until World War two. Just before that, he, you know, he he left the stage, but set the stage for World War two really in a lot of ways.
But at the same time, I I haven't really looked too much into Joseph Kennedy and his role in in World War two, but that's quite something.
[00:38:39] Unknown:
He's, I think I'm single handedly trying to restore his reputation. What the more I learn about Joseph Kennedy senior, the more I think he's the key to all the dead Kennedys, and there's been a lot of them. I think he was a great American, one of the greatest men of the twentieth century, and, he's been maligned. And
[00:38:56] Unknown:
Yeah. The the Brit the British, press did not like him very much because I think he may have been preventing war at a certain point. Yeah. Well, he he wanted to, and so he's been, you know, that that appeaser
[00:39:07] Unknown:
comment from from FDR that they still use again. For people that are for peace, they call them appeasers. He was one of the first I think he may have been the first one to be called an appeaser. And, he he was, you know, he most people don't understand. First of all, he was a lifelong anti war act advocate. So JFK came from it naturally. He was also opposed to World War one, and he first came into conflict with FDR during World War one. And we're and if you're on a typical chicken home, I can never never saw action anyone, but of course, has already gone home for World War One as assistant secretary of the Navy.
And he already, you know, him and Joe Kennedy had a few rivals then. And he he basically gave him the position of, ambassador of bread because, you know, I think Kennedy thought he might become secretary of treasury, some plum position. But, you know, Mr. R. Was gonna give him an earl pattern. So he gave him a ceremonial position like that. And he and he thought maybe great for that Kennedy, his family would enjoy it. I don't know what he thought. But when he went over there, he made all the right enemies of the church young Churchill who was just coming up. Churchill hated him, and, certainly FDR grew to despise him. And at the same time, Joe Joe Kennedy behind the scenes, he talked openly about Jewish panel.
We know that now. And and his kids were hearing this. So he and and when Israel was formed, there's a remarkable letter in the that 22 year old, before they were formed, that '29 must have published as an appendix to my book. I mean, look at memory of what they they have to do to include it. But he talked in there about, JFK told me to wrote to his father about the, the the rumors that they were gonna create this Israel. This was written in 1939. So it was, like, eight years before they it Israel became a state. And he analyzed it for a, twenty two year losing remarkable maturity and insight on JFK's part where he just goes over what a disaster this would be. And the way he talks to his father, you can tell they've discussed Jewish power many times over the dinner table. And, keep in mind also that, General Kennedy senior was one of the first critics of the Federal Reserve early on. He realized what a disaster it was.
He became good friends with James Forrestal, who became Truman's secretary of defense. Forrestal would later be pushed out of a window, but that's the Naval Hospital after he became loudly vocal about out what a stupid idea creating Israel was and what a disaster it was gonna be. So they killed him. Joe McCarthy was also good friends with Joe Kennedy and in my book, American Memory Hall, I do a lot, I think, to restore Joe McCarthy's reputation. He's another really been unfamiliar. This is a guy who they, they they associate with Hollywood blacklist when that was the House Un American Activities Committee, and and McCarthy served in the senate. He had nothing at all to do with that whatsoever, but they and so he was investigating subterfuge in the army.
So he made a lot of powerful enemies. He was one of the first ones to say that his friend James Forrestal was killed. That James Forrestal toured Europe with a young JFK. They were all good friends. So these are, you know, look what happened to all these people. McCarthy then after saying Forrestal was murdered at Bethesda Hospital, he goes into Bethesda Naval Hospital at age 48 with a knee problem. Dead two days later, age 48. No autopsy ever done. And so these are the kind of things that happened. So, you know, JFK is is watching all this stuff, you know, and understand that old Jim Kennedy is watching it. And so these are they're they're almost like and and I he would also like to do a study when you took because the Kennedy's I I don't know among the the richest families in America, at least then.
I don't know what other Catholic families, not the kind of the Kennedy. I mean, it probably was the richest Catholic family America had ever seen because almost all the other ones were Jews or the last, you know,
[00:43:05] Unknown:
old money. Yeah. Boston Brahmins.
[00:43:08] Unknown:
Yes. The Boston Brahmins. And that's why he was, you know, it it irked old Joe that he no matter how much money he had, he couldn't buy his way into those social clubs. They still because they were new money and they were Catholics. And, so there was that element as well. But, no. I I I think, the more we and then, one Ralph Kaye Junior's book Family Values, was is the only thing until I started defending. And the only person that has ever defended old Joe Kennedy against the lies, the the bootlegging and the mafia and the nineteen sixty election, all that is is nonsense, and they all comes from the same sources, the the CIA or the mafia, every bit of it. And No. Joe Kennedy.
[00:43:49] Unknown:
Oh, John Barber had told me that he was involved with the purchase of Paramount Pictures.
[00:43:55] Unknown:
Is that something that he was involved with that you can Well, he he was yeah. He was, yeah, he was one he had, I wasn't sure it was fine. I I thought he had his own studio, but, yeah, he Joe Kennedy did run a studio, and I and, again, keep in mind, he was he was in a distinct minority there because of all the studios except for Disney and, the one, Darryl Zanuck. I guess, Universal, I think, was Darryl Zanuck. Those are the only Gentiles. All the others were owned by Jews. So, again, Kennedy, that's probably where he maybe he he got his look at Jews and we didn't look what he's saying because,
[00:44:30] Unknown:
they wielded such power and here he didn't. Yeah. And he wasn't in their club. It reminds me there was a character named Joe Breen who was part of the the, Catholic legion of decency before the the rating system that we have now that if you look up Joe Breen, there's a lot that he was exposing.
[00:44:51] Unknown:
Go ahead. Yeah. No. I remember that. The cat the Catholic League of Decency was big. Like, they were so big in the eighties, probably. I don't know I don't know what happened to them, but I guess
[00:45:00] Unknown:
there's nothing decent left to do. What happened was they they they had this holocaust porn movie called The Pawnbroker with Rod Steiger where it broke the code. They showed bare breasts on on the the screen, and it was after the pawnbroker that hardcore pornography was allowed on the on theaters throughout. And I think John Barber was tells told a story about his his involvement in the whole obscenity trial against the Deep Throat film that was shown in, you know, it was shown in just regular small town, big town movie theaters like nothing nothing no big deal. And it it really wrecked any sort of control over Hollywood that could challenge the Jewish narrative in in that in that sphere. So our media has been controlled as a consequence as ever since that point.
[00:45:53] Unknown:
Absolutely. And, yeah. So but I so Joe Kennedy and I that's why I mean, I write a lot about the Kennedy families, Kennedy family, and I I you know, I there's there's there's people need to understand there's a there's a lot more Kennedy's died other than Jack and and and and, RFK. I mean, they're they're these they they were killing them back to, you know, their first son, Joe Kennedy junior, who was the apple of Joe Kennedy senior's aunt. Yeah. Wasn't he an b b what do they call him? B 16 17? 17 or 17. Yeah. But what he was he was a It was like a drone drone kamikaze mission. It was apparently, yeah. Well, and it was it was insane because it was near the end of the war, and he was told to go bomb a target that had been long abandoned by the Germans. So So it was a suicide mission. And he, you know, he famously, the Kennedy is, you know, known they're they're unfittingly known for being reckless. In this case, maybe he was, but he was, envious of his his small younger brother, Jake, who had already become a war hero on PT one zero nine. He was really famous for that, and he wanted to make his own home because he was the big brother.
And so he really foolishly volunteered for a mission he shouldn't have, and I think they took advantage of it. There's a lot of suspicion then as to what happened, why the plane blew up. And, but regardless, you know, that's who would have been the first candidate president because Joe Junior is being groomed by his father, and he was unlike Jack Kennedy, he was a natural politician. Jack Kennedy was an intellectual and and wanted him to remember.
[00:47:29] Unknown:
I I it makes me wonder what what Charles Lindbergh Junior's role with Joseph Kennedy was because it was a challenge at the time. Who was who was Joseph Kennedy supporting in that race for presidency? Was it FDR over the America First party? You know, was he a Republican over the America First or a Democrat?
[00:47:50] Unknown:
He he was it was at the time, Joe Kennedy was a member of the America First Committee, and he was he made speeches on their behalf. And, one of the great demonstrations oh, yeah. Yeah. You can see there. He made one of the greatest press anti war speeches I've ever heard. I think this video could have been on them somewhere where he he just he said, you know, I'd I'd like to ask all the parents of the world what, you know, what possible reason would you have to send your son in a foreign war to die in a foreign war or something? It was very simple like that. It was just, you know, very profound that it's and and, again, he was he he had protested World War one as well. He was against it and the the America First Committee was largely liberal.
You had people like John t Flynn who was the president of the, New York chapter whose career and I and American Memory Hall have a whole bunch of stuff on this one. We know now that FDR, invented cancel culture and got all these people fined and ruined their careers. And most of them had been liberals in good standing that were in writing for, you know, the liberal public and mainstream publications of the day and, they were they were blacklisted forever. A lot of them ended up becoming right wing extremists because nobody else would talk to them, by their experience. But, yeah, it was not a right wing so it's a brand that is not seen. All that stuff is crazy.
All these liberals were met they remembered World War one for which, you know, the court historians still can't give any plausible reason why however many millions died all over the world for absolutely no reason. Now they they can't even provide a fake reason. There's no reason for it. It was a bloodletting for no reason. So they didn't wanna go through that again. You're talking about this is barely, you know, fifteen years later. And they're already talking, beating the drum beats for people like Roosevelt and Churchill. They just, you know, they're they're foaming at the mouth to do this again.
And, naturally, they say so they're not gonna be taken in by you know, keep in mind that the four and a half got over the day was Hitler. The only thing that's happened is that all I ever heard. So, you know, they're they weren't buying it. And so the liberals where they held all these, you know, they they tried to tie them in with the nuts. They had no associates with the German. They admired what Hitler was doing. And and for the first several years, he was in power. Hitler was like a a regular socialist lady. He built the Autobahn and he built up the German infrastructure and he could really improve the German economy. It wasn't until he invaded Poland, you know, that that things would have took a different path. You're you're right. You're right about the America First being what they would call a progressive
[00:50:28] Unknown:
type party because the coalition that that built it up with Lindbergh, Lindbergh's father was, he was what you would call he wasn't an establishment Republican. He was an insurgent Republican, which he ended up supporting the Bull Moose Party and Teddy Roosevelt during that split, which, caused the election of Wilson to be the Democrat to to get power and become the president. So he yeah. It dates back to that. And, actually, in fact, Charles Lindbergh senior was respond was one of the few voices opposing the creation of the Federal Reserve.
[00:51:08] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. Yep. Yes. He had he left some great comments on the record there. And then Lindbergh was obviously very, Charles Lindbergh junior was also very, you know, very outspoken
[00:51:19] Unknown:
and is a a designer to keep us out of World War two. So, again, there's no He said there were three groups that wanted us in in war. It was the Roosevelt administration, the British, and the Jewish. And there's a Yeah. Yeah. There's a famous speech of him down in Dubuque, Iowa or Des Moines, Iowa, 09/11/1941, which was the same day the Pentagon groundbreaking took place where he he talked about it. And he got a lot of boos and but a lot of cheaters at the same time from people. And there's there were hecklers and all sorts of things going on during that speech, but that's a definitely a good speech to listen to regarding him. I have a little personal story about Lindbergh because my family is related to them. My great grandpa, his aunt, was married. He's the first wife to Charles senior and Wow. Grew up with Charles junior.
And in fact, I was told that he used to fly his airplane into my great grandpa's barnyard
[00:52:17] Unknown:
back in the day. Wow. So Very interesting. That's interesting. Yeah. And I've written that's a whole different subject. I've also written about the Lindbergh kidnapping where he Lindbergh, you know, Lindbergh was very, you know, noted antiwar activist and remember our first advocate, but he also realized he was a really a demented practical junker. He just was one of these guys that and there's a lot of people that believe the Lindbergh baby kidnapping was a practical joke that went around. I don't know. I don't know if I've read it in the social. People that say it was a a Jewish ritual murder. So Yes. Yes. Yes. You can make that statement. Because of it. Yeah. Because of the time of the year and who Lindbergh was. No. He would have been someone they would target. I want I wanna talk a little bit about,
[00:52:58] Unknown:
En Go, Dinh Diem, who was the the Catholic Yeah. Leader of Vietnam. He was killed 11/02/1963, just before JFK. So that time period after Diem was assassinated to the time Kennedy was assassinated is well worth looking into into JFK and what was going on in his mind at the time looking back. Because the CIA was involved in Diem's assassination from what I've read. And the Dulles family too. I was before this show, on on Radio Windmiller here, I was playing Candace Owens going into the JFK files and all that sort of thing. She was talking about the Dulles family and about, well, Avery, he he ended up becoming a Catholic bishop. He converted because of father Feeney, father Leonard Feeney.
But Eleanor Dulles was married to a Jewish professor, and she blamed her brothers for driving her husband to suicide. And she also was, a person that gave code the Nazi enigma type codes to a guy by the name of Reuven Shiloah, who was the, founder of the Mossad. Wow. If you listen to Candace Owens' latest broadcast, she talk goes into that in the deep Candace Owens is
[00:54:22] Unknown:
boy, she's amazing now with this. She's so different. Yeah. She's It's definitely refreshing. When Shapiro created a monster there, boy, because she, you know, she was just a regular conserved. Yeah. She's wonderful. I I love her work. And, but, yeah. No. That that last 20 or so, you know, between the DM's assassination and and and and JFK's was very telling because I think things were coming to a head with the CIA. Things were coming to a head in Vietnam. And I'm sure I'm quite sure that JFK understood the ramifications of Jim being killed. I know he was very, distraught.
You know, he was really, really upset about it. And and I not just for the fact that I think he he wanted to work with Jim, but I think he, he recognized what it might mean for him. And I think he knew again that, you know, there was a a story that appeared in the the New York Times, and most people thinks that the source was JFK himself. And it was planted there by a writer who was a close lifelong friend of his father, Joe Kennedy senior, and it basically was the source saying that he was concerned about the CIA's power. It it sound a lot of what, you know, Schlesinger now, we know, said in that memo to him that, they were becoming a foreign government unto itself. Yeah. And then something like I said, the president basically, the president wasn't sure he could control it. Again, I think most people think JFK himself was the source for that. Yep. And if they should
[00:55:53] Unknown:
we're coming toward the end of the show just to let you know that. So, yeah, definitely definitely, I want you to come back, and we're gonna talk more about this, I hope I hope in the future. And, maybe we can even get John Barber involved in in a show if he's still up to it, if his health, you know, God willing, he could. But, please tell everybody where they can find your work.
[00:56:19] Unknown:
Well, Substack is the only place I'm not being chatter banned, so that's Donald Jeffries at Substack dot com. It's called My Protest. You can follow me at Don Jeffries on x. It has loosened up a bit under Elon Musk. So, my books are all out there. I have 10 of them. The latest is American Memory. All historians promote disinformation. So for real. But people may want to support me. Please become a subscriber at Substack.
[00:56:41] Unknown:
Great. Thank you, Donald. And I'm gonna let the music play out, but thank you very much for joining us and for your work and and all the, you know, you're like you said, you're probably one of the few people asking these questions, and that's why I wanted to talk to you this afternoon and and pick your brain a bit because I only know so much, and I know you know a lot more facts and details than I I do, but I really appreciate you coming on here and being with me right now. It's always a pleasure. Thanks for having me, Patrick. Alright. Well, you have a good rest of your day, and, thank you everyone for listening to our show. This is Patrick Chanel, and this is Radio Windmiller, and this is an an edition of I Remember.
So have a good one.
[00:57:27] Unknown:
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Introduction to the Show and Guests
Discussion on JFK Files and CIA Involvement
Speculations on JFK Assassination Motives
The Role of the Secret Service and Police in JFK's Assassination
Influence of Powerful Figures and Organizations
The Kennedy Family Legacy and Historical Context
Vietnam and the Assassination of Ngo Dinh Diem
Conclusion and Closing Remarks
