In this episode of Radio Ranch, host Roger Sayles engages in a lively discussion about citizenship, taxes, and the complexities of the U.S. legal system. The conversation touches on the intricacies of the Fourteenth Amendment, the role of administrative agencies, and the challenges of navigating the tax code. Roger emphasizes the importance of understanding one's legal status and the power of knowledge in overcoming fear and asserting one's rights. The episode also features listener interactions, where questions about tax exemptions, citizenship status, and the effectiveness of alternative health treatments are addressed.
Listeners are encouraged to explore the resources available on the matrixdocs.com website, where they can find detailed information on becoming a national and understanding the legal framework that governs citizenship and taxation. The episode concludes with a reminder of the importance of self-education and the empowerment that comes from understanding one's legal rights and responsibilities.
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Well, good morning, mister Alvin Lee. So would we. We're gonna try again here on Tuesday, June, just about to tick over into the July month here in another week or so. Roger Sales, your host at the Radio Ranch. Welcome wherever, whoever you may be even if you're some of our listeners with really big noses and really small hats. I hope you're listening. I really do. At this point, we, always bring on mister Beaner, mister Paul, our assistant here. Actually, a guy that runs the whole thing if you wanna be truthful about it. And, he identifies, and we want to all collectively give proper credit to the folks that help us extend our reach. Paul, here you go.
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Still a light compliment this morning. We're on eurofolkradio.com. Thanks to pastor Eli James. We're on radio.globalvoiceradio.net. Links for Eurofolk and Global Voice are on our website, thematrixox,d0cs,.com. And you will also find the links to free conference call. Join us live on the show. We got room for about a thousand of you, and we've got a few thousand more. Space is open, ready to be, brought into the mix.
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We're waiting for you. Now is, Allen still embroiled in this, controversy?
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Yep. Still embroiled.
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Boy, is that a lot of fun or what?
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Yes. Quite. We've got somebody on unit, and we've got a whole bunch of background noise. Sounds like a Nice. Morning, Joe. That's you. Here, I'll take care of it.
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Alright. Morning, Joe. There we go. Righty else. Here we go. I'm I'm in a quandary a little bit this morning on, you know,
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on I actually feel pretty good.
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Well, I do too, and we can discuss it. We'll discuss it. Let's just check before we start and plunge into that. Are there any new folks on right here at the start of the program that have a question or a comment or wanna say hi or all that other stuff we'd, love to entertain before we get embroiled in some kind of intense conversation as we go forward. We, excuse me, wanted to give you a chance to, put your hand up and say hi. And you've got a question, a concern, a comment, we wanna hear it. So any of you new folks out there wanna do that, we'll take a second here. Hit, star six, unmute, and say, hi, Roger.
Okay. Well, it doesn't appear to be too many of those. I guess they're all headed for the bar. Roger. Or something, you know, but there's one right here. Yes, sir. Good morning.
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Yeah. Michael. Minnesota.
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Hey, Michael. How you doing? You're not out riding the tractor today? Good.
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No. Nope. Okay. Not today. Alright. How's everything with you? I see oh, wonderful. Wonderful. How are you? Mhmm.
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I'm pretty good this morning. We got a little sunshine here in Ecuador. It's Tuesday. It's the expat day. I always try and attend those things when I can because I like the folks, and we have some stimulating conversations, especially on this geopolitical stuff. So, anyway, I look forward to that. So I'm pretty good.
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Mhmm.
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I stumbled on the website sedm.org.
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Yeah. That's our buddy, Josh Wallbuilding.
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He's got another What are your thoughts? They have a lot of oh, sorry.
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Well, I'll just say, we've known Josh for a long time. He's very well aware of what we do. Him and I communicate occasionally. He takes a different track on, putting everything in print. I like audio stuff and talking to people and explaining this on audio because a lot of people, unfortunately, can't read. Yeah. You know, I mean, I've mentioned this survey that was done recently. Twenty one percent of the people in The US are illiterate. Fifty three percent can't read above a third or sixth grade level. So I prefer to do talking, and he likes writing. So but he's a good guy. Yeah. He's got another site that accompanies that called famguardian.org.
Like familyguardian, famguardian.org. It's site, the SEDM. So, what, is your comment on mister Wallbuilders' work?
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Well, he they have a lot of information on tax resources for their members.
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Yeah. They do.
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You teach it so simply, and I'm on his website, and it looks like you would call it gobbly gook. Is that what you would call all of his Well,
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that's what I would, and I've been I studied that stuff a long time ago. I know what it is. I know how hard it is to maneuver through it. People like, well, for instance, Josh, I'm not sure if he understands even the fact that they change definitions on some of these things. But, mine's pretty simple because, really, it's pretty simple. You know, they've got a jurisdiction statement. At at the start, it's able to I'd quote it often, 26 CFR 1.1 dash one parenthesis small a. That's their jurisdictional statement. It covers both, statuses, free and bond.
And, it's stated right there. That's why they haven't been able to do anything with us at this point because we got them right there at that linchpin. Now let me also inform you, Michael, that that little insertion of the phrase nonresident alien there for August and August b, that little element right there kept me going for many years under the, man, they really, really are trying to hide something to do this right here. So it kept me going and motivated for many years, and finally, we figured it out. So, yeah, that's why I don't like going that other route, quite frankly. And I've never seen very many people successful at it either of attacking the code.
You've gotta go in and attack jurisdiction. K? So that's my comment on that. So what, you you you agree, it's a bunch of gobbledygook. Right? Yeah. Because I don't understand it. Or it well, you know, neither does anybody else. Let me, let me quote. I mentioned him the other day. Come up in history a couple of times. Guy name I I don't think it was Charles Barkley. I don't remember what his last name was, but I mean, his first name, but it was Barkley. His last name is surname, and, he was a very, very well liked and recognized senator back in the forties. As a matter of fact, he tagged on to Truman at some point as his vice president.
I I read and studied a little bit about him. And, he, at one point, he was the head of, head of the ways and means committee, which is a very important committee. They're the ones that come up with a lot of money and stuff in the senate. Now I didn't even know the senate had a ways and means committee. But, evidently, back then, they used to. Now it's in the house because the house raises all money. K? So, anyway, Barclay was the, chairman of the Ways and Means Committee in the senate, and this is something John and Glenn came up with their in their research. And as, the Ways and Means Committee chairman, he's the one that interfaced with taxes and taxation.
And so his statement, I can't totally quote it, but I can get pretty close. Says every year, we call the folks over from treasury, and we try and get them to simplify and shorten the tax code. And every year, they come back with something that only Solomon and all of his wise men could figure out to your point. Yes. It's complex. It's intentionally complex, and I'll give you another example, which you and the audience can go look at. We've talked about it, quite a bit on here, really. It's first piece of information that I ever found concretely back in 1992.
Remember, all this stuff wasn't on the Internet back in 1992, so the only thing we had to do is go to library. Went to the Cobb County Library there in Marietta, and, it overlooks a really impactful cemetery from the civil war. It's right there. It overlooks that and all the brave men that gave their lives for that conflagration. Regardless, I went straight to the reference section, and, I found a book in there on important legal documents. And so I already had read Phil Phil Marsh's book, so I know about the time frame in the Federal Reserve. So I opened it to that time frame turn of the nineteenth century. And in there, there was a document called Woodrow Wilson. So you can go get this on the web if they hadn't scrubbed it. Woodrow Wilson repudiation of dollar diplomacy. Have you heard us talk about that before, Michael? You listen a lot.
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Do you? Mhmm.
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Yes. You have? I've heard you mention that. Well, that well, this is '90 about '19. Well, in that thirteen, fifteen range, World War one range, and, of course, for the audience, it may not have. It starts as very short document, only a couple of paragraphs, and it starts out Wilson. He must have not it had to be early in his administration because they hadn't got to him yet, or else he wouldn't have done this. He'd assigned them on. So he says a consortium of bankers has come to us and asked us to loan a $100,000,000,000 to, to China to help, develop, the railroads over there. That's the way the Rothschilds were getting into the countries back then.
And, he said, they want me to cosign this loan, this arrangement, this bond issue is what it was. And, he says, I'm gonna refuse to do that, and he tells why. And in one of the paragraphs, he talks about the tax system. And he says the tax proposed tax system is antiquated and burdensome. Now what you're looking at right there with Josh Wahlbelder, would you instead of calling it gobbledygook, could you call it antiquated and burdensome?
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Absolutely.
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Okay. Well, Nelson nailed it. And the important part of that, it was it says, and administered by foreign agents. Now they've they've embedded these people here, but they are foreign agents. They work for the International Monetary Fund through the treasury. But, there's another description of it. So that's why I like to try and teach the simplicity of it because if you know where the answers are, it's very simple. And and the fact that they've been standing mute for all these years when presented with it, the IRS, shows you something that's really funny and interesting this morning that you'd come on and bring that up, Michael.
Because just this morning, I got a letter from, email from a guy, but his first initial was g. He didn't give me a name, and I won't use his last name. But he said he got an IRS letter. And he got an IRS letter. I'm going from memory here and and, that, they're telling him there's 500,000 other people in this position. Now what his position was is I I guess he didn't send me even a copy of what they sent him. It might be the I don't know if it's his c p 59 or not. But they wrote him a letter, and, they're saying he's owe owe taxes for past years. I don't know which years, but he said, this is what I'm a write him back. And he and he put the his response right there. And I and right at the first, he says, telling him that he'd file his affidavit in May of this year. It is still 2025, isn't it? I mean, I'm not lost in a time warp somewhere.
So he he said I filed my affidavit in May, May so and so of 2025. Well, that was, you know, about a month ago, a little over, month and a half. And, and that was what he was gonna write him back, and I had to write him that, you know, if you filed your affidavit this year, it will exempt you to our understanding. Of course, you're not gonna get any cooperation out of the IRS on this. You just have to see how they react. But, if you file your affidavit even to December 30 or thirty first of this year, you'll be exempt from the whole year's taxes 2025, but not before because you were still in your other status before like you are now, Michael. And so, in that case, they're coming to him and saying, you owe us for these previous years. And I told him if that's the case, he needs to go ahead and deal with them and figure out how to negotiate it or whatever because, legitimately, he owes them. He wouldn't know him for this year forward. Next April, he wouldn't have to file unless they've been taking money out throughout this year and you file a ten forty and r and get that back.
But that's the way I understand it at this point when you file an affidavit that exempts you from that year forward, but it doesn't cover the past because your status had not changed back then. So that's kinda what I told him, and I I hope he scans in the letter and sends it to me. We'll see. So I can make sure, but that's, just something I got this morning. So the misunderstanding look. It's a get out of jail for free card, but only from now forward, not now past. It doesn't exempt you from, the sins of the past as they would say. So that is something else I wanted to be sure to mention today. So thanks for giving me the opening there, Michael.
Now what's your question?
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My question is is all that gobbly gook that I found on their website, they list a lot of tax codes and a lot of they're like, you better with any correspondence that you get from the IRS, they recommend that you follow their steps and it's pages and, you know, it could be half a dozen pages of why do they feel that is all necessary and you basically recommend to respond with them just with your affidavit and remind them of that c CFR 20, 26 CFR one dot one dash one a and reminding them of your affidavit. Why Because
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why do I do that?
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Well, why are they so firmly in belief that you must there's like a form that that they recommend that, yes, you include on every correspondence from the IRS at minimum.
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Well, I'm dealt with those It's what I've I've dealt with those people in a long time. I'm not sure what form you're talking about. It isn't that one five one zero three that we've been discussing, is it? If so, you're out in that form. No.
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They just rec they they got a lot of case law and they got IRS codes that you're they're and they got they got six pages of it. Oh, yeah. PDF and they go they recommend that you attach with any correspondence that you write to the IRS, include this.
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Well, all you have to include is that you don't have any jurisdiction on me. Do they have the right to go up to Canada and start nabbing Canadians or Mexicans on tax stuff? No. I don't know. Okay. Well, the same way as international. Want me to say no? Well, I'm I'm wanting you to say the truth to your knowledge, the best of it. They can't go over to France and grab a Frenchman and say file all this when you send us anything, all that crap. Well, I guess they could, but it wouldn't have any effect. And the reason it wouldn't have any effect is you're not under their they those people are not under their jurisdiction. And if you're a national, you're not under their jurisdiction either in that that, regulation you just cited proves it. I mean, do we need to go through it again? I'll be happy to. You know, there's only two statuses. Uh-huh. Well, there let's for there may be some new people listening because this is you're right. It's very confusing. It's very ambiguous.
It is meant and totally intended to be that way so that when you try and fight it, you'll either misunderstand it or you'll throw up your hands and say, holy crap. I better just pay the bastards. That's the reaction they're looking for. That's why they do all that stuff. K? They could make this simple as hell. But if they make it simple as hell, then people could understand it and realize there's a there's a turd in the punch bowl somewhere. K? So the best way I've found to do this, Michael, and to approach it is to say, hey, Michael. There's only two statuses. You're you're either free or you're a slave. Do you agree with that?
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Yes.
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Okay. So we both got agreement on there's only two. You're either free or you're a slave. Right? Now we go to their jurisdictional statement at, the 26 CFR 1.1 dash one parenthesis small a. We've mentioned it a lot around here. It's really key and pivotal because this is where they get you. And that statement reads, I think I probably get it verbatim, Michael. An income tax is owed by all individuals. Now it's I I stress and, you know, I didn't catch that for a long time. I stress that they use individuals there. It does not say an income tax is owed by all persons, does it? It says individuals. And why is that important?
You got any idea?
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Person is a legal entity, and an individual is a human.
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Correct. And so they don't put person in there because, like, a corporation's a person. Partnerships are persons. All those are persons also. They deal with them in their own specific schedule. They've got a whole another schedule of taxes for corporations. The corporate tax rate, it is not on the personal. Can they use individuals? Because if you wanna go back and get the legal lesson here, is individual always in law means human persons because a person is an entity to whom the law ascribes rights and duties. Like I said, can be a corporation, can be a partnership, can be a human individual, etcetera.
But they wanna go in and clarify that. So you get your person, the corporation, gets its corporate personhood from the fourteenth amendment. So, you know, it's just a correlative duties to the fourteenth amendment in the federal government. But us, we are individuals, and they use that term specifically because the rights and the duties are in the same entity. In other words, if we're the human person and it's called an individual in law, then we owe both the rights. We get the rights as individuals, and we owe the duties as individuals. So that's why they use individual there so there's no mistake.
K? So an income tax is owed by all individuals as human persons, schedule one, who are citizens of The United States or residents. Well, we already know what those are. That's a person under the fourteenth amendment that gets its rights, civil rights, from the federal government and owes the federal government the duties such as income tax. K? And to the extent of eight seventy one b and eight seventy seven b, all whatever you wanna label it, individuals. They choose to label it nonresident alien to trick your mind into thinking it's Jose the tomato picker. K? Because you can't imagine yourself as a nonresident alien. It doesn't make any sense if you don't know all this whole law.
K? And so back to our question, there's only two statuses, free and slave. Well, we know what the slave is since The United States is resident, so it doesn't leave much wiggle room on what whatever they call it. In this instance, a nonresident alien, there's not a lot of wiggle room there, is there? It's gotta be the free person, doesn't it? Or am I missing something? Michael? Michael, did you go away? Did all of this drive you away, Michael?
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It can. Oh, I got, muted. Yeah. I heard you. I agree with you.
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Okay. Well, then what what else am I and now if you want a further layer of proof on that, eight seventy one and eight seventy seven b are both constitutional taxes. What would Jose the tomato picker who comes over here to pick fruit be doing paying constitutional taxes only? So you see, they they they tried their best. They did a damn good job. And if it wouldn't have been for John Benson being as, as studied and as astute as he was and driven on this tax issue, this was his issue. Okay? And, we wouldn't understand this. There was a guy, Kotmeyer.
You hear him mention Save a Patriot was the organization. He's dead now. And he was feverantly against this and would say, no. No. Nonresident aliens are the only ones who's supposed to pay the tax, even though he's totally misconstruing that statement. 1.1 dash one a. So there's your two, and that's why they can't go any further because they can't get past that. Now do you want verification on what that is, Michael? You can go over to, probably find it on the Internet. I'm sure now. But you're looking for a document called t d twenty three thirteen.
Have have you heard us talk about this?
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I believe
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why do I believe I put that TD on my ten forty and r o I
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schedule for, that o I No. No. No. It has nothing to do with that. No. No. No. It's this is back to the very first case in the Supreme Court on the sixteenth amendment, and it was called Bush Haber versus Union Pacific Railroad. And, it's a challenge on the sixteenth amendment. Like I said, it's first time they the Supreme Court had great case first impression, they call it. And so, if you go read on the Internet about Bruce Haber, it will say in the shorts, the thumbnail descriptions that Frank that, Bush Haber's attorney brought up in in the arguments at the Supreme Court that he was a nonresident alien, and the Supreme Court did not incorporate that into the decision.
K? But whenever there's a decision from the Supreme Court on a tax issue, the Treasury writes what's called a Treasury decision on whatever the findings were so that they can correctly incorporate the findings of the court into the tax collection system. And so they wrote a TD, Treasury decision, on the Brishaber case, and it's twenty three thirteen. And it shows you where nonresident alien came from. Because best of my memory, I went and looked it up thirty years ago or more than over at Emory, and, it says Frank Bush Haber, a citizen of the state of New York, state citizen, and a nonresident alien.
So they state that Frank Bush Haber, an American in this case, was a nonresident alien. They stated right in the Treasury decision. You can go confirm that for yourself. K? So I don't know. Is that enough proof for you, Michael, or you you need additional stuff to soothe your troubled mind or what?
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No. You're you you did excellent. I just you know, I anybody that goes on can am I unmuted?
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Yeah, man. I hear you. Am am I? Okay. Yeah. I gotcha.
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Anybody that stumbles on their website at sdem.org would be, overstimulated by reading all of their material. But you can't even you can't read all of their material. No. No. Hell, I can't even understand everything you're telling me in in two years of listening to you. Right?
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And mine's simple.
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And yours is supposedly simple. And I, you know,
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Well, Michael, you know what? She's perfect. You're a perfect victim for what they've set up here because everything they're they intended, they've you you're reacting to in their exact way they want you to react. K? So I I I don't know any simpler way to do it. Sure. Obviously, it's complex. K? And I think Woodrow Wilson or whoever wrote that press release antiquated and burdensome. Oh, hell. Is there a better description for the tax code? I don't think there is. It's antiquated and burdensome, and it's designed to be that way to fool your ass, to bamboozle you, to frustrate you, and say I can't understand all this crap. There's they're they're terrorists. I better go ahead and pay them. Right? Mhmm. Michael. Well, you know Yeah.
Well, that's that's exactly what they're intending. So, anyway, I mean, all I can do is explain it to you, show it to you, and, none nobody they're starting to get a little frisky right now. We're sending out some of these letters and following up. You heard about Michael and the FedEx bunch there, and I think it was Ohio or Kansas City or somewhere, and they they can't go after them. They can't go after them and charge them with anything even administratively because we got them by the shorthairs. But these guys and their mindset and you can see the hutzpah is, well, we're gonna go in and make your employer start withholding to the maximum. Sum of that's their idea of coming back at you.
Look at how powerful we are. You can't do this to us. They're nothing but paper tigers. You know, I was thinking last couple of days. I mentioned it before. Did you ever see freedom to fascism, Michael?
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No.
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It's a very good movie. It was quite quite a topical, movie. It was done by a guy named Aaron Russo, who's from Chicago up there by where you are. His claim to fame, by the way, mister Russo is now dead, was, that he discovered Bette Midler. K? So, anyway, he went on to have some high profiles visibility, and he got really against he was friends with the Rockefeller kids too. And, he got really against his tax issue, and he did this video. You can find it on the web called freedom to fascism. It's very good. Hollywood production kind of thing.
And in the middle of that movie, he's got I think he was either the active or retired commissioner of the IRS. By the way, Michael, why do you think they call him the commissioner?
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He's collecting a commission.
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No. It wouldn't be it, would it? No. So it was a commissioner, and I remember his name. I think his first name was Sheldon, but his last name was Cohen. And so at the segment of the IRS part in there, and he and Russo, who was also Jewish, were talking, Yiddish. And and Cohen tells him, you can't get out of it. That was his statement in Yiddish. Well, screw you, Cohen. We found a way to get out of it. We see who you are. We know how you do things, and we got you nailed here. And you can't do a damn thing about it, mister Cohen, whether you're dead or alive. We got you right by the damn short airs. And the reason they get upset about this is this is the pivotal thing of their whole program, is to build up all this hypothecated bit, debt, like 37.
I think we just crossed 37 to 38,000,000,000,000 just in the last few days. $38,000,000,000,000 worth worth of debt, and they want you and your grandchildren and all your generations in the future to be paying that that can't ever be paid off, by the way. Because the compound interest compounds on the amount that was never loaned in, and you can't pay it off. It's impossible. If you paid off all the debt, there wouldn't be any circulating Federal Reserve notes. K? So that's the deal, and this is the teeth. This is what they want. They want their ass right where they can bite you and shake you down and, to pay the bondholders and probably the majority of the bondholders are them. And it's nothing but vigorous. You know what vigorous is to them, Michael? You ever heard that term?
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Never heard never heard of that word.
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Vigorous is interest to Jews. It's what they call it. Vig. Vigorous. That's what they want. They want the return on nothing. The free money. K? So all that and the whole system is designed to bite you in the butt and suck out your essence along with your hereditament for future generations. Do you wanna do that?
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Does anyone?
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Michael, do you wanna do that? Well, if you do, then don't do anything. And if you don't, go ahead and study until you get to a point in your mind where you're ready to take the step and flip, take the step and flip them a finger. Does anybody have Sorry, Roger. There's someone knocking on the door. Okay. Well, that's alright. So that's okay. Did did, do you wanna pay them all that? You want your grandchildren and great grandchildren to be paying all that? I mean, it's a rhetorical question. I'm gonna assume you're saying to say no. Well, then continue to study until you get. Come back. Ask as many questions as you want. We'll go over it as many times as you want.
But we want to get you to a position where you go, what am I scared of these guys for? I've got the power. They've stolen it from me. They've conditioned me to be scared of them, and I'm not gonna be. I'm whenever you get to that point, you let us know. Does anybody have any words for Michael from the audience here that can help me out? Something I missed you'd like to tell him? Holy smokes. I would think this would be a real hot button issue for you guys.
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Hey, Roger?
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Yes. There's some was that Thora?
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No. It's Nancy.
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Oh, hey, Nancy. We are right on the microphone now. With you, we're gonna say back up just a little bit. But why don't you say hello to Michael? Yeah. You're good. Just say hello to Michael unless anxious to hear what you gotta say. Now here's a little female, a single female, Michael. You think she should be scared of him?
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Hey, Michael.
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Hi there.
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So, I I love, actually, I I I focus when I share the national, message, besides the, case law that illustrates the difference between the state citizen and the fourteenth amendment citizen. I focus on Bruce Shaper, the t d and t d twenty three thirteen and the 26 CFR because now I've I've told Roger this before, and I know when he first looked at this, he recalls them putting together both, in the twenty treasury decision from 1916. He recalls reading that they in that decision, they put together both the term nonresident alien and state citizen in that decision, but that's not what I found. But it doesn't really matter, because Bruce Haber in his, Frank Bruce Haber in his original petition, which you can find this out, and Paul Biner has it in his documents. And you can find it online. It's from, I think, nineteen fourteen, nineteen fifteen.
He claimed his state citizenship as a citizen of the state of New York and a resident of the borough of Brooklyn and the city of New York. So evidently, that term residency, though, a landmine and, to be used, with, caution, his state citizenship is preeminent. So he claimed his state citizenship and not his, federal citizen. And so when you look at the treasury decision that came out of that, I mean, Bruce Shaper was challenging, that he had held stock in Union Pacific Railroad, and he didn't want, he didn't wanna have to pay the taxes on that income. And, also, he I guess he was challenging, the the Union Pacific Railroad owed that tax. But, anyway, he did not prevail. But what came out of that in the treasury decision, they just identified Frank Broshaper as a nonresident ailer. At least that's what I've read. I think in commentary, in summaries of it, it it brings those two together. But then when you look at 26 CFR one dot one dash one as we Roger was just walking us through, and the tax that a nonresident alien owes ex related to expatriation, you know, it it can't be it has to be a citizen of of The United States Of America of some sort.
So when you and then also so if you when you put those three pieces of information together when you're presented, it becomes very clear. And if you look up the the code definition of what a nonresident alien is, neither a US citizen or US resident, you realize that they're hiding the state citizen. So it's a powerful teaching method and and unlearning and understanding for me to clearly show, where the state citizen, now the national, you know, an individual who owes, allegiance total allegiance to a small s state. That's where they're hiding this the the state citizen.
So for me, that shows you the deception and treachery of government in in the use of words, which is part it's a subtitle of Roger's book. So it if that I yield.
[00:38:22] Unknown:
Thank you, Nancy. It's very accurate. Let me go back the reason why. Why is that like that? Because Frank Buschaber, as he stated, remembers his choice. We didn't have he said I'm a citizen of state of New York in his filing, I guess. So, that means that he's under constitutional taxes. Now this is where we'll go back in a differential, Michael, for you and show you the differences in those two and why it matters. The only there's only two taxes in the constitution. One is they're called direct and indirect. Have you heard us go over this before? I'm gonna give you a little lesson on taxation here. And people don't know this stuff. It's very confusing.
They don't wanna go in and learn it. They just hate taxes. They hate the IRS, and they hate being separated from the fruit of their labor. Okay? So that's what the constitution was put in place to avoid. And the constitutional taxes are you can call them a couple of different labels, direct or indirect, capitation or, excise, and that's the the capitation, and one of them is direct. Capitation means head. Okay? So that's a head tax. And the other is an indirect tax. It's called an excise tax. And there's two differences, and there's two requirements. The capitation tax has to be apportioned.
We're gonna come back and cover that in a second. The excise tax or indirect tax has to be uniform, which means the same. So the capitation tax that me has to be apportioned, and this is a check and balance that was put into the constitution and the country by our founders, actually, if you study it and think about it. Decapitation tax means it has to be apportioned, which means it has to be equal for everybody. So this is one of the reasons that the census was formed, not all of it, but part of it. So that in the event there was a tax appropriated by Congress to be apportioned, like, a capitation, a taxing on individual like the income taxes.
But the income tax isn't apportioned. It's all whatever individuals do in their own whatever. K? This means that the congress well, let's say we're having a war over there in The Middle East. And, last year, we didn't had and hadn't had for a couple of times a year, a, apportioned tax by Congress. It has to be packed taxed by Congress. And, so all of a sudden, we're fighting this war and congress comes up and and, they do, an apportioned tax. And so it's let's say it's $500. So everybody in the country goes from owing nothing to owing $500.
And everybody owes it, and it's all the same amount. So what do you think the effects of that are gonna be, Michael? It's a rhetorical question. Everybody's gonna stand up and go, what the hell are you guys doing up there in Washington? You went from zero to 500. K? So it's a check and a balance in there. Now excise taxes or indirect taxes are taxes that sometimes are called sin taxes. Sin, like s I n, like to miss the mark. And they're called sin taxes because it's, usually associated with alcohol or tobacco. And so they go, well, if you don't wanna pay the tax, don't smoke or drink.
It's your option. But these are the taxes that are like on gasoline. You as a farmer can buy fuel, I think, without paying those taxes and diesel for your but don't they put some sort of a cent or something in there where you know it's not regular diesel? K? They they put a red dye in the There you go. Okay. So that you're and you're tax exempt on that. Right?
[00:42:44] Unknown:
Correct. I don't think yeah. The road tax is removed. The road tax is removed.
[00:42:49] Unknown:
Okay. The road tax is removed. Okay. Yeah. Alright. Just hold on. Let me finish. We'll open this up for discussion because I want y'all to help Michael out as much as we can here. So if let's take the regular gasoline tax. Well, you might be buying gas at a at a station that's right next to a refinery down there in Houston, or you might be buying gas up in the wilds of Alaska where there's not a refinery within thousands of miles. K? But the amount percentage of tax you pay on that gallon will be the same in Houston as it is in the middle of Alaska.
It's uniform. It's got to be the same. And these are all of your excise taxes. They're called excise taxes, indirect taxes. I can't I those are probably the two main labels. But one's direct and one's indirect. And they if you're gonna do a direct tax, it's gotta be apportioned. Everybody pays the same. Well, that's why they had to get the income tax in here. They don't want everybody to pay the same. They don't want you to see the alarm in the monetary system. They want you to go along with the burden on yourself and be self flagrigating yourself with a whip that you gotta go pay these damn monsters.
They're vigorous. So those are regular taxes. That's why they had to get the thing in bankruptcy where they could pull in the income tax on the side. And under these other auspices, it's legal and it accomplishes everything they want to accomplish and bypasses the constitution. When you file the affidavit, you go back to being a state citizen called a national, and your only taxes are capitation taxes, direct taxes, and indirect taxes. And listen, I I personally if I ever owe those taxes, I'll pay them. Okay? But I'm not gonna go paying this income tax on the entity that I'm not, which is a slave. K? Now did is that understandable, Michael?
Michael?
[00:44:56] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. It I understand.
[00:44:59] Unknown:
Okay. Now let's let's open the mic. I'd like to hear some of the other folks who are trying to say something a minute ago and see what maybe they have for you. So, Joe, you were one. What do you want what do you have anything to say to Michael? Okay. Guess not. He's probably doing something. Anybody else in the audience? You wanna step forward and tell Michael something, see if we can appease his troubled mind?
[00:45:26] Unknown:
Hey, Roger. I'm when we get a consumption check on the
[00:45:31] Unknown:
Alright. Wait. Hold it. Is this Waheed?
[00:45:35] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. This is Waheed. You're unintelligible,
[00:45:39] Unknown:
Waheed. I don't know whether you got crappy earbuds on. Gonna say the con the consumption Well, you got there's a lot of echo. We can still hear you, I guess. Let's see. Go ahead and speak your peace. Let's see if we can understand it.
[00:45:51] Unknown:
Consumption tax. What do you think of that consumption tax? That's an excise
[00:46:01] Unknown:
tax. That's an excise tax. Okay? What I hope that your question was
[00:46:10] Unknown:
Wahid, it sounds like your earbuds are just earbuds, and there's no microphone. And your phone is speakerphone is on, and it's picking up all the echo from the room. Lose the earbuds, turn off the speakerphone, and use the phone right so we can understand you.
[00:46:29] Unknown:
Yeah. That'd be good. Anybody else got something to Paul, you got something to say to Michael?
[00:46:34] Unknown:
No.
[00:46:37] Unknown:
Nope. I haven't Anybody else in the audience that can can oh, you what now? You haven't paid taxes in ten years? Good on you. Nope. No. I haven't paid taxes in ten years. Alright. Anybody else out there have any any kind words or any there's one. Yes, sir. Who's that? Yep.
[00:46:56] Unknown:
It's Mike.
[00:46:59] Unknown:
Hey, Mike. How you doing?
[00:47:01] Unknown:
Hey. Let everybody know it's hot power in Birmingham today. It's gonna be, like, 95. Okay. But, you gotta you gotta watch the states. States are notorious, they ignoring the law, like California's franchise tax board. And here in the state of Alabama, they don't give a shit that that, you're a national. We're gonna text you anyways.
[00:47:23] Unknown:
Well, in your circumstances in your circumstances, and Michael's circumstances are very unusual. He's the only one that this ever happened to. K? To my knowledge. But yes. And and then we've had some some FUBARs with the states where people filed the wrong tax year form and this, that, and the other. And they're listen. It's a very confusing field. That's why we didn't use to cover this at all. It was just get free. And, but we've over the last few years, we've started covering it more, understanding its importance more. And, but to this point, we there have been no blowbacks except these these guys say they went to my employer and said, stop.
Take the withholding back. That's the only repercussion that I know of, honestly, Michael. So anybody else got something to say? Okay. Is that some way trying to Sure. Boy, we got the funky phone lines today here. Yeah. Go ahead, sir. See if we can get you intelligible.
[00:48:32] Unknown:
Well, this is Gary.
[00:48:34] Unknown:
Hey, Gary. Coming in? Yeah. You get a little fringe, but, let's see. I think we can hear you. Gary's been around a long time, Michael. He's a wise guy. You need to listen to what he's got to say. He's a bit to the west of you out there in Montana. Gary, how are you doing, buddy?
[00:48:53] Unknown:
Oh, pretty good. Hey. I can top Paul. I haven't paid any taxes nor has Gina for seventeen years.
[00:49:01] Unknown:
Okay.
[00:49:03] Unknown:
There you go.
[00:49:04] Unknown:
So Gary's got a group of people. From the
[00:49:10] Unknown:
Michael, when Gary's well, hopefully, he'll get he's been going through some health challenges with his pancreas. Hopefully, when he gets totally out of the woods, we'll have him start picking up his meetings out there again because he's got over 50 people a week in Kalispell, Montana coming to learn about this stuff. And 50 plus easy that have filed paperwork out there. So, Barry, any of your people had any blowback from IRS?
[00:49:40] Unknown:
Nope. Got a couple that's called me about the CP 59 letter lately, but that's easy to get rid of. So, nope. Nobody's had blowback. Nobody's gotten bank account seized or anything. Okay. And and, Roger, we're over a 100 nationals up here. Not not Are you? 50.
[00:50:01] Unknown:
God bless you. You've been busy. You and Jean have been busy as beavers.
[00:50:10] Unknown:
Yep. Just learn the information. That's the big thing.
[00:50:14] Unknown:
Yep.
[00:50:15] Unknown:
So I have a question for
[00:50:18] Unknown:
Jerry Gary? Gary Gary, g a g a r y. Gary. Yeah. My Michael, go ahead and ask Gary your question.
[00:50:27] Unknown:
So you respond to the IRS or your students respond to the IRS the way that Roger teaches. Simple, short, share your affidavit, tell them what you are, and send a copy of the correspondence of that CP 59, and they leave you alone.
[00:50:49] Unknown:
Well, this CP 59 is a relatively this is a new little deal for them, the CP 59 here late as of late. And what my suspicions are is, you know, I think they've had at least five different IRS commissioners since Trump was inaugurated. I know one week they had three. Okay? So, I think what's going on is somebody gets in there and they go, holy shit. We got this problem. You know, the letter that guy got that he sent me said they had over well, you didn't send me the letter. You just mentioned it. They had over 500,000 people in the same condition that what they were trying to do, whatever that may be. I haven't seen the letter yet.
But, but they don't know what to do about this, Michael, because we figured out their deal, and they can't overcome that without showing what they can't just stand mute because it's so important. You got a new commissioner. We gotta get them. We gotta get you'll get a commission on all this if you can figure it out. And they don't know what to do because there's nothing they can do without openly being tyrants, which, of course, they're never gonna do. And so here's a question. If there's 500,000 people according to that letter that he related that figure to me, VIN, that are in this same situation, How the hell do you think they're gonna deal with it? You think they're gonna send out 500,000 pairs of agents? Well, they don't have that many.
Trump cut a bunch of theirs back already this year. So they're in a intel in a a position where they can't do anything except threaten and bully you, which is exactly what their expertise is. So this is another case of the only way you're going to be free is if you internalize this information and you get to a point where you can defend your position if it's challenged. Then you're free. And the better you can do that, the freer you are. So, again, it just goes back to getting the knowledge in your noggin and overcoming the fear that's been falsely put in there that these guys are all powerful. They're not.
They want you to think they are, but they're not. So, Michael, I again, I'm gonna put the ball right in your court and let you dribble. I can answer all your questions. The other people can tell you their experiences in the end. You're the one that's gotta make the decision. And as Paul and myself have told you, well, I I don't want you filing the affidavit until you're overcome, overcome this. Okay? How about that? Michael? Well, Michael brings something. At least we don't have to talk about to talk about. We don't have to talk about Iran and and and, bombs and crap for an hour. So that's good. Yes, Marco. What do you got for, young Michael here?
[00:53:57] Unknown:
I'm just wondering, is his concern, air is coming back at him? That is that his concern?
[00:54:04] Unknown:
Yeah. He thinks they're gonna, like, bob but kick down his door in the middle of the night.
[00:54:10] Unknown:
I'm more concerned of them ignoring my correspondences.
[00:54:14] Unknown:
Oh, they won't. They can't they can't ignore me off. No. They can't hear one.
[00:54:19] Unknown:
Better. Go go ahead, Mark, and I'll come back with my explanation.
[00:54:23] Unknown:
An acknowledgment letter from them.
[00:54:26] Unknown:
You did?
[00:54:27] Unknown:
Documenting that they did receive my affidavit. Though I I don't know if I've told you this already, Michael, on Telegram, National Status Freedom, that, when now I'm I'm encouraging students to call into the resident nonresident alien line and talk to them. Oh, okay. I sent this notice, you know, effective this date, whatever date it was. And and you there's an error in your system that has not been corrected, you need to correct it. It needs to be updated in all systems.
[00:55:06] Unknown:
Good. And,
[00:55:08] Unknown:
what what that man did was he, took his time, to look at for the information. I was updating some taxes, some old taxes, because there's a person that was helping us that didn't, complete them right or send them out on time or something. So we needed to send them in. And that was updated. So then I sent in my notice, and then I I wanted to make sure that it was in the system. And, I did get something in the mail and I just called them. I'm like, hey, this hasn't been updated. Can you please look in the system and see if you're showing it? And I guess it wasn't showing, so I'm like, can I fax it directly to you? Because I need to make sure that I could fax it to you. I'm not gonna send it to just a general fax or mail it again.
And he gave me his fax number. I asked for his fax number. I need your direct number. So or somewhere close to you that you can get it so you can put it in the system. And then what I did was I mailed it also after that soon after, And I send it to the commissioner, again, and the Philadelphia office. I had some other addresses, but I sent the to the nonresident alien fax number. I asked for their for his direct, the person that I spoke to, fax number. He was kind of hesitant to give it to me, but, I did explain to him, you know, this needs to be updated. It's important. If not, then we're just gonna run into issues.
And I also fax it to the other fax number that they have. So, and I put it on the cover letter. I'm like, it needs to be updated in all systems. So it's important to take the time to talk to them. I mean, the nonresident alien line is to me, I noticed a huge difference compared to, you know, the lines that people try calling as a US citizen. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. That's true. With the
[00:57:24] Unknown:
I don't understand credit, generally. Go ahead. I I yeah. Exactly.
[00:57:29] Unknown:
I even dealt with, the franchise tax board of California, because they were trying to get us on on something too. And I'm like, you know, she's like, oh, you shouldn't be calling that line. And I'm like, well, well, that's the line I need to be calling because I'm a nonresident alien. And she's like, well, we don't encourage people to call that. I'm like, okay. Well, you know, I'll continue and proceed as as I need. And, I I even asked for their fax number and, fax it over to them too. So
[00:58:08] Unknown:
Now You know? Michael
[00:58:12] Unknown:
the good work, Myrtle, by the way. And, you got big breasticles for just picking up the phone and calling them, and I think that's great. So good on you. Michael, your your, statement was you're afraid they won't recognize what you send. Let me see if I can address that for you. The agencies when the agencies started coming on after the bankruptcy, Congress there was no previous agencies before thirty three, March ninth. So, Congress, because of the power of these agencies, they had to have a rule book on these things, how what they could do, how they could do it, how it had to be done. Because remember, this isn't unconstitutional.
It's and I love what Bob Bob Morgan brought us. He said it's not the it's not unconstitutional. It's extra constitutional. Now that's very accurate because it's extra constitutional because we're in bankruptcy. K? So they said, okay. You you we're in this. We're gonna have these agencies popping up. That was all FDR. And, but we need a rule book. Well, they didn't pass a rule book until after World War two, thirteen years later, in 1946. And that is called the Administrative Procedures Act. APA is how it's referred to. It's been codified in title five of The United States code section five five two.
Title five, section five five two, and following. So this sections after five five three, four five six, these are all having to do in laying out the rules by which administrative agencies operate. K?
[01:00:18] Unknown:
So many codes.
[01:00:20] Unknown:
Pardon me?
[01:00:21] Unknown:
Codes. Just verification codes to make sure you're you a million times and a half for security.
[01:00:29] Unknown:
Okay. Could you see if we could get that knocked out? Somebody's talking with the mic on, Paul, please. So in this rule book, and I'll give you a timely example here, they lay out how agencies, these are some technical words here, promulgate regulations, rules, public policy, it's called. And there are certain ways and certain rules. And I guess we'll just have to go into all of it here for you. What I'm trying to get to is to show you that your statement that they're not gonna recognize what you send them is not correct. They have to recognize what you send them. Because this whole administrative agency setup is a court of record.
A what? A court of record. It's not a court as we would know that from that word, but it's a court of record. And what that means is when they send you these notices and these correspondence things, well, they've gotta have a file where they say we sent this to Michael to know if you've responded in time or what they've sent you or anything else. And when you send them anything in response, it's also gotta be put in that file. So it's your administrative file that is a court of record. Now some patriots go and try and file a court case at the district court level, and the clerk will say, I can't accept this because you have not exhausted your administrative remedies.
So you've got two court systems. One is a little less informal, a little more informal, and then one is real formal, and that's the thing we know as a court. But they've even got courts at the top say if you get in a in a urinating match with them, Michael, and you go, okay. Well, that's your decision. I don't agree with it. So your next question is, what's the next step in my administrative appeal? Because you've got power to appeal this decision. It's not cut and dry just because they say it. Okay? You've got rights too under this system, and you get to go and challenge that and go, well, what's my administrative appeal? Well, you gotta get with this guy. And then he looks at your file and sees what all is in there. You give him your arguments, and he may rule against you. And you go, well, what's the next step in my administrative appeal?
And that is a court called an administrative court or tribunal, basically, because you've got an administrative officer from the agency, hopefully, that that's gonna adjudicate this, dispute. Fair. Okay? But there's the the rebuttal to your statement. They're not gonna recognize what I sent. They've got to. It's not a choice for them. K? Because this is a court of record. And should it get to a point where the administrative judge rules against you, now you've exhausted your administrative remedies. You've gone through the whole administrative appeal system. Now you can go over to district court and take them to district court.
But that court of record is when you take that case over there, anything that's in that file, anything that's in that file, and whatever you send them's gotta be in there. Anything that's in that file can be brought into your court action without any rules of evidence restrictions. Because it's already in a court of record, theirs, and in your file, if you go and sue them, you can get whatever paperwork is in there, and, and they can't stop it from being entered into the rules of evidence. So let's say that you sent them out a dash 66 questions. That's on our website, by the way.
Al heard from the IRS, and he sent them these 66 questions, and he never heard from them again. Why not? Why not, Michael? I'll tell you. I know it's a rhetorical question because it was already in their files, their court of record. He sent it back to them. Now if they tried to come after him for failure to file or something, then because that those questions are in the IRS's own court of record, those could be brought into the court. And you come in and go, this is I asked you these questions, and you never responded. Why didn't you respond to these 66 questions? That's why they'll never take you to court.
This is how you buffalo these people is to get that court of record in the administrative file full of of things like Al Attucks 66 questions or your response to, how can you say I'm not a nonresident alien? It says here I only owe these two taxes, eight seventy one b and eight seventy seven b. They're both constitutional taxes. How can you say that that's not me? And you stuff your folder with stuff like that, then they'll never come against you because they've got to be able to bring you can bring those into court, bypass the rules of evidence, and and that's the stuff they don't want in there. That's why you never see any of us prosecuted. You think they wanna bring this case on this nonresident alien thing and the whole pivot turn in the tax system? You think they wanna bring that into a court of law in a trial after they're coming at you? I promise you they don't. They're scared as hell of this.
So, again Roger. It goes back to education and the fact that you can get in your mind these things go, hold it. I've got the power. These people are just nothing but thieves. All they do is bluff and bully. Yes, Larry. What have you got for our our our boy, Michael, here?
[01:06:34] Unknown:
Well, he came on the air, saying that he was reading from a website called SEDM. Correct. And I was wondering if you ever if you ever read what they wrote about you probably a couple of years ago.
[01:06:52] Unknown:
No. No. And it doesn't matter what they wrote about me, quite frankly.
[01:06:57] Unknown:
Do do you care for me to to read what they wrote about you? You you can if you want. That's okay with me. Alright. So they have on a document 3.49 sales, comma, Roger, website, Sovereign to Surf,
[01:07:14] Unknown:
and Oh, that's a no that's a good one. That's no longer Yeah. Yeah. And then something else. And then they wrote,
[01:07:20] Unknown:
date range is unknown. Biography, and this is about you, a person who worked in the entertainment industry for years, studied government corruption extensively, a student of Glen Amber and John Benson, lives abroad and has lived in both Argentina and Ecuador, thinks we are headed for a big economic, meltdown soon and wants to be one, out and wants to be out of the crossfire. Roger's favorite subject of study is citizenship. Other than us, he is the only person we have met who has studied citizenship as carefully and for as long as us.
You can read some of his research at from sovereign to surf and a passport for Edward Snowden. We have item number one above. Roger gave it to us for free. He has been a student and fan of Family Guardian and SEDM for years. In that in that item, he provides an attachment you can use to your passport application. Unfortunately, it doesn't deal with how to get a passport without a Social Security number
[01:09:03] Unknown:
Which makes sense. Social Security. So
[01:09:06] Unknown:
so he isn't going to bite the hand that feeds him. He thinks the Social Security is not a problem, but we differ greatly on that subject. And then he they list a form called Social Security mark of the beast, and I totally disagree with that, by the way. There's not gonna be a mark of the beast. The beast in Revelation is referring to the Roman Empire, but I digress. It it goes on to say, Roger has studied the subject of citizenship almost as extensively as we have. Like many neophyte freedom lovers, he incorrectly thinks there is something sinister about the fourteenth amendment.
We have pointed him to the following research to rebut each or to rebut such beliefs, and he can't rationally rebut it, but continues in his flawed belief. And they're referring to a document they claim they sent you, why the fourteenth amendment is not a threat to your freedom, and they list the form number. Well, I Other than our differences do you wanna comment on that? Well, yeah. I'd say
[01:10:23] Unknown:
he he just didn't go through John Benson's class. He's talking about this not sinister and the subject to the jurisdiction, not our subject. It's not a definitive statement. There's a two pronged test there. And I doubt if Josh has looked through and thought through that completely, be my comment.
[01:10:43] Unknown:
Okay. Other than our differences on the fourteenth amendment, his research on citizenship agrees 100% with ours as documented in why you are a national, state national, and constitutional,
[01:11:00] Unknown:
but not statutory citizen. He lists that form. Okay. Well, I can I can I interrupt again? Can I interrupt interrupt you? No such thing as a state national. Find it for me. Find it in any court, any court, any statute, any regulation. Find the term state national. It ain't there. But he uses it in his statement here. So who's who isn't understanding? Who isn't understanding here?
[01:11:31] Unknown:
And one one more sentence. Roger runs several Internet radio programs and websites as his ministry, People's Patriot Network. That's why I think this is an old article. It is. And number two, Radio Ranch, Roger Sales. Because he has been in radio for decades, he is a good speaker and is great at getting people at least politically interested in freedom.
[01:11:59] Unknown:
And that's that ends what they had to say about you. Well, that's pretty nice. We disagree. I mean, people are welcome to disagree. I just if he says the fourteenth amendment isn't anything, why is the whole damn system built under it? Well, anybody?
[01:12:19] Unknown:
Yeah. Roger, can I ask you a quick question?
[01:12:22] Unknown:
Okay. Well, you know Are we on topic? Are you taking us off to Uranus or someplace?
[01:12:29] Unknown:
It is it is pretty much on top because it has to do with citizenship, and it has to do with the fact that do you are you a bit concerned about a lot of these people who are being taken are being taken by people wearing masks? That's a big concern. One. Well, the only one I know of is that,
[01:12:48] Unknown:
professor up in the Northeast that wrote, you know, some kind of editorial against Israel, and they evidently kidnapped her. That's the only one I know of. Are there more that I've been missing, Joaheed?
[01:12:59] Unknown:
What most of the people that are a lot of the agents have are wearing masks,
[01:13:06] Unknown:
and you don't know they're not showing you any ID or any No. Who they are. Or gal. Do you understand what I'm saying? I understand what you're saying. I'm totally opposed to it. Anybody can run to me. Know about it. I heard me or you. Hold on now. Just hold on, Waiheed. I hold I heard a reporter ask Trump about it. He didn't know about it either. No ID IDing you? Do do you know somebody walk up to you and just grab you with no ID? They they knew why don't be naive. They knew who the hell she was. This is these damn rabid Zionists that are just rampant in Trump's administration that go off unleashed.
And did that gal was a PhD student, some university in the Northeast. She wrote an editorial against the Israel, Gaza thing, and they came and kidnapped her off the street, and they were gonna deport her. Yeah. That's right. I saw it. Probably most of the audience saw it, but that's the only one I know of, Wahid. So it's an isolated incident. The president was not even aware of it. He became aware of it, and I don't think it's happened since. So what's your point?
[01:14:17] Unknown:
Well, a lot of it okay. I'll just, I what's that word that we use when we're in in our subject? What is the word?
[01:14:28] Unknown:
Never mind.
[01:14:29] Unknown:
I don't know, man. We did you have another question? I yield.
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I
[01:14:33] Unknown:
I yield. That's the word I was looking for. I yield. Okay. Roger. Okay. Well, if you can go back out in the lobby now. Yes. That is that Dave?
[01:14:42] Unknown:
Yeah. It is. Hi, Roger. Hey, Dave. Yep. I you know, it's I I can't believe that Michael is having such a problem with this. It's so simple.
[01:14:55] Unknown:
Well, don't be that blind. Simple. It's right We don't wanna be that blind. I'm just saying.
[01:15:01] Unknown:
I'm not trying to. I'm just saying a blind man can figure out it with Roger's information. Anybody can. And this guy, this Joshua guy, I've never been to his website. I don't even know if I ever heard of it. I think what'd you call him? Wall builder?
[01:15:15] Unknown:
His name that he goes under is Joshua Wall builder, and his site is SCDM, which means southeastern defense ministry or dot org. And he's got an accompanying site called fam, fam, short for family,guardian,famguardian.org. And he's very prolific. The state of California tried to or somebody tried to shut down his website, and he went to court, defended it, and won. And he's still up, and there's a lot of information on there. I can't say a lot of it's right. I'm not gonna sit there and read volumes of all that stuff. I I dance to my own music here.
[01:15:59] Unknown:
Right. Is he is he an attorney? No.
[01:16:03] Unknown:
Joshua Wallbuilder? I don't believe he is. I believe he's a Well naval guy.
[01:16:09] Unknown:
If he can't see see, and a lot of that is steeped, you know, brainwashing since he was a child. And if he can't see that the civil war and civil rights and the fourteenth amendment are all part and parcel, he's blinder than I am.
[01:16:29] Unknown:
Well, he may be. He evidently is. He thinks the Social Security number is some kind of a nexus to the system, etcetera, etcetera, which, I I just can't believe people still think that.
[01:16:44] Unknown:
Yeah. It's it's it it people got a lot of, like you say you say, we're, you know, patriot mythology, whatever, but it's all about, you know, training since now it it's it's not kindergarten. It's preschool. And they've been indoctrinated. You know, they've figured out how to dumb down and mind control the lab rats for they've been doing it for, you know, over a hundred and fifty years now. So probably since day one. I say it's day one. Yeah. Right. Since man controlled men men, they figured it out, and it's get they're getting, you know, smarter and more diabolical. And, yeah. It but it but it's so simple. Anyway
[01:17:29] Unknown:
It really is. Thank you, Roger. I I can't I can't believe somebody that has studied this would make a statement that the fourteenth amendment doesn't have anything to do with this. That's the most absurd thing I've ever heard somebody say that's educated. Why? Right. That they can't get Social Security. Well, go to, go to the web and look at what is it? S s five, Social Security five? That's where you sign up. And it says, are you a national? It's one of the questions. And there's a pull down menu, and it says, which country? So if other countries can apply to Social Security, we don't have jurisdiction in France and all those places. Does that mean that the IRS could go ding them over in France?
[01:18:14] Unknown:
They may like to, but I don't know if they can. They can. They're not in their jurisdiction.
[01:18:19] Unknown:
You gotta volunteer.
[01:18:21] Unknown:
You volunteer to do
[01:18:22] Unknown:
that. Then they're they're wearing masks, and they're going around kidnapping people. So they're not beyond that. I don't think they're getting done wasn't IRS. That was these Jewish damn high bull safe bastard or whatever they are. Who invented the IRS?
[01:18:41] Unknown:
Well, they did, of course. I mean, go back. They've they're they're tax farmers. Again, how deep you wanna get into this, go read Charles Evans' book on the the effect of taxation on the rise and fall of civilizations. He traces it all the way back to Egypt. They've been history's tax farmers. That's what they call what they're doing to us, tax farming. And it goes back to Egypt.
[01:19:11] Unknown:
Thanks for making it so simple, Roger.
[01:19:14] Unknown:
I use I I'll tell you, Dave. I've I've really taken a lot of effort over a lot of years to try in my mind simplify this to the base elements that I can communicate you to because I want this to spread. And the easier it is to understand, the easier it is to spread. You can cookie cutter it. You get into all that complex stuff, you've lost virtually everybody you're ever gonna have contact with. That's why I do that. There's a method to my madness. I want to see if this message, this truth message that they fear so much, because I've seen it. Okay? I've seen their fear. And if we can get enough people, we can help bring these bastards down. That's what I want. Roger?
Yes. Nancy.
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Hey. Is yeah. You know,
[01:20:04] Unknown:
I guess this is for Michael's benefit and anyone else who has fear around this issue. Before Someone who has recently
[01:20:13] Unknown:
Nancy. Nancy. Hold on. Pull your microphone away from your face. You were super loud and your Okay. Your p's are popping and
[01:20:21] Unknown:
then your s's are hitting.
[01:20:23] Unknown:
You don't wanna hiss your s's or pop your p's. Pull it further away. It's fine.
[01:20:29] Unknown:
Is it better now? Yes, ma'am. Crystal clear.
[01:20:32] Unknown:
There. Okay. Okay.
[01:20:34] Unknown:
Alright. My apologies. Using a different avenue. Well, someone who I helped, to understand this, better recently in the last six months, noted that when she was looking at this information and specifically the revocation of election process and just trying when I was educating her about that whole process. And she know she's here with me that she felt she had a lot of fear come up. Sure. I mean, major, major stuff. And it was Everybody knows. Understand. Yeah. Right. So fear inhibits our critical thinking, our ability to analyze and think rationally. So, and you talk about Pavlov's the different the other, experiments they did that put people into a catatonic state. And the more conditioning, elements of conditioning, it increases that response, that fear response. So it really does take a determination, a really great hunger to push for truth and for freedom, to push through that discomfort, and people have to be willing to be uncomfortable and and go through that. So it's not it's very understandable.
It just depends on what's if you're afraid of your enslavement more than you're afraid of, the enslavers.
[01:22:03] Unknown:
Well, you know, I I well, I let's let's can I rephrase that, Nancy? You serve the one you fear. You serve the one you fear.
[01:22:17] Unknown:
Yeah.
[01:22:18] Unknown:
K? Roger. Is that true or not? Hold on. Let me just finish up. Nancy, you had a little yeah. Is that a true statement? You serve the one you fear or not?
[01:22:30] Unknown:
I understand that I don't necessarily hold that myself because I, you know, I don't necessarily fear God, but I recognize my relationship to creator, and it's more out of love and the truth, the desire Okay. For the truth Right. And anger those who are abusing me or trying to, or who are lying to me. So I don't know. I mean, I I understand that that that that that. Let's reverse it to the dialectic.
[01:23:02] Unknown:
If you serve them, are you fearing them? If you're going to be that's true because it's right. I better I better file this because that might happen to me. Are you fearing them?
[01:23:15] Unknown:
Oh, sure. Yes. I yes. And I recognize my actions
[01:23:19] Unknown:
in the past. If you're serving them in that if you're serving them in that way or you're fearing them in that way, are you serving them? Yeah. You're doing what they they're doing. Yeah. I agree.
[01:23:28] Unknown:
I agree.
[01:23:29] Unknown:
Okay. So now well, hold on. So do you have anything else for Michael or the audience? Mark, I think, is hovering.
[01:23:38] Unknown:
Well, I just think, you know, reading about the court cases, the distinction between the state citizen and the federal, the fourteenth amendment citizen. And and you have to be willing to deprogram deprogram yourself. And every time you read information that's you can verify and counter the programming, you're you're, increasing gaining access to your self empowerment, your god given men god given god given empowerment. And it's that's the work is you deprogramming yourself.
[01:24:11] Unknown:
Yep. One drop at a time. Let me ask Michael a question. Have you seen, have you seen a copy of my book yet, Michael? Michael? No. I have not. I have not. Okay. Well, what I want you to do is to send me an email at radio ranch, no space,@mail,mail,note not g mail, mail dot com. Just send me an email if you would and put Michael in the subject line, and I'll send you back a copy of my book since you don't have an ebook. Which you need to put it on the website probably, Paul. I don't care about giving it away. And in the back is, the original affidavit we had from John and Glenn when we did this originally. And there's just five pages long, and a good three or more pages of it are court sites.
And what I would like for you to do is to get that and open it up and go to the back of the book and read those court sites. There's about three and a half pages of them from the famous cases. And I I want you to do that because it clearly, clearly differentiates the two statuses.
[01:25:27] Unknown:
Right. K?
[01:25:29] Unknown:
Yes, Paul.
[01:25:31] Unknown:
If he goes to the matrix docs Yeah. Clicks on the picture of the book, it will take him directly to Google Drive, and he'll be able to open the document live.
[01:25:43] Unknown:
Okay. You go straight to the website, Michael. So disregard the email and go over the The PDF I can download. Yes. You can. And so well, listen, man. Let me tell you what that is. So we'll just stop here, and let me give you some background. You know, I've I've alluded to the little voice that I heard that, like, got me to get leave the country and the other time. Well, the, the, I went into one of those trances here back in about 02/2005. First time I'd been through this particular one, although I've been through it since. But it was, for about five days, maybe six, and your my whole body just changed. My my metabolism changed.
My mind was racing. You're you can't sleep, but just a whole bunch of these things. I've never been through it before. And out of that experience came an 80 page manuscript. And so I tried to send it to everybody I knew, and it was the basis of all of this. And, I couldn't even get anybody to read it. And so it was after that that this little voice came to me and said, you need to get out. Now and and and I eventually did do that, of course. Now I've thought about this a lot. That book, 80 page manuscript turned into the book. And after that, when I was told to get out of the country is when I had to go get a passport.
And it was when I read the passport application, I found what I've been looking for and put all this together. Okay? So was I told to get out of the country to escape from her my people, you know, or or or was that meant for me to have to go to the post office and get the document for a passport which would give us all the answer? I don't know. Okay? So, anyway, I I do that. I find the answer. Then my my my, teachers are still in federal prison, I think, at that time. And, so I go ahead and get the answer and leave the country, and we're still communicating. And after they get out, we're able to talk more. Well, they didn't understand this.
They'd always been focused on the tax issue. They'd never looked at the jurisdictional issue. And and I almost had to explain this to John and Glenn. Okay? But when they saw what it was and their advanced age and that we really had what was something of great significance here, we were going I got on the radio finally and on Jeff Bennett's show and got to get this out. And I said, well, Bennett, I've got this 80 page manuscript. And he said, well, why don't we turn it into a book and make some shekels? Because all he cares about is frigging money. Okay? And so I took that and gave it to John and Glenn, now realizing what we had.
And Glenn, the expert writer that he is, and John, with his help, edited the whole book into well, it's been called a masterpiece, Michael. I've heard it more than once. I can give you two examples that come right to the forefront of my mind because they were so significant for me. That was in the spring, and they worked on it. Glenn worked on it. We finally got it to publishing standards on, I think, it was, like, December, later that year. And, so we had a chance to promote it the whole time. But after it was released, two weeks later to the day, I got two emails from two different people. One was from Mark, one of Mark's buddies. He didn't know him, but he was worked with Dan Meader. He was one of his illegal research team leaders. Very sharp guy, retired homicide detective down in Naples, Florida.
Knew Jim Ram. They had a mutual friend too. And so Prentice wrote me and said, Roger, your book is a masterpiece. I've read it 10 times in two weeks and got something different out of it every time. Well, that's a hell of a statement. Shocked me. I can't even think of reading a book 10 times much less than two weeks. Okay? So, anyway, compliment. Thank you very much. The second one was a family up around you, Minnesota or Wisconsin or somewhere. And they said, Roger, your book's a masterpiece. We want you to know it's on the family bookshelf next to the Bible. Well, those are two pretty overwhelming quotes for a little old country boy that had an 80 page manuscript.
K? So that's I'll just tell you in the audience that it's on the website. You can get it for free. We don't it's not available in print right now. We'll get to that stage at some point. Gotta get it back up. But, the beautiful part about having the ebook is you've got search functions. And you can put, like, congressman McFadden in there. And every place it's in the book, one of his quotes from his book, it'll show up or whatever else you want. But at the end there, it's the first part is my story. Because I couldn't just take people I didn't think and plunge them into this deep legal stuff. You gotta have something to transition you to it. And so because my father was, in AA for seventeen years before he died, and I'd been to all kinds of AA stuff over the years. And I did it like an AA meeting, and I told my story of how this all happened to me.
And the first half of the book is my story. There's a lot interlaced in there. It's a very e, contempt, it's a very easy breed, a page turner, as I've heard people say. But the first half is that, then there's some definitions. And then the last half is the legal argument that John and Glenn wrote. Now I suggest that you read that at least twice. Okay? There's a lot in there. But you read that, you're not gonna have very much doubt of what the hell is going on here, Michael. Okay? So, anyway, go for you, particularly in your situation, go to the back, the affidavits in the back of the book, and read those three, three and a half pages of court sites on there's clearly two citizenships, this, that, and the others, pounded home over sixty or eighty years.
K? So that's a little background on the book and what you're gonna look at. And, and and particularly for you and what we're talking about here, Michael, concentrate on the, concentrate on those sites because I think that will help you a lot.
[01:32:58] Unknown:
K?
[01:33:00] Unknown:
Now, Merica.
[01:33:05] Unknown:
I was just, gonna say to Michael, if he hasn't sent his affidavit in for the IRS notice that he could set when he does send it in, he can call and check and see if it was received and and entered into the system. And if not, then he can,
[01:33:23] Unknown:
fax it directly to that person. Okay. And there's another way to look at this showing.
[01:33:27] Unknown:
With the affidavit, do you do you think that the if there was any lies in there, Michael, they'd issue you a passport? Michael? Where are you? Hello? Hold on, Boris. I'm having a conversation with Michael. Michael, do you think if there was anything that was in error in this that they'd issue you a passport on it?
[01:33:51] Unknown:
Yeah. You're you're correct.
[01:33:53] Unknown:
K. So just little I'm feeding you. Let's hear from Boris. Boris got involved with us. He's from Puerto Rico and and thanks me profusely because he got out of the tax system, and it was the first vacation he'd ever been able to take because he saved so much money to go visit his family in Puerto Rico. Isn't that right, Boris?
[01:34:14] Unknown:
Yes, sir. And I was scared. Super scared because I have problems with the, criminal system. And I was scared that when I send my passport, they wasn't gonna send it to me, and they were gonna get me. Then they send me my passport. I don't have any problem. And I am free from all taxes, even property taxes, and, my income tax. And I even get all from Amazon. I don't pay any more taxes in Amazon. Everything I order is free of taxes. And it's wise to be to be scared because that's, you know, something that you guys are you that's telling you be precautious. That's fine.
But, you know, this that Roy is teaching us is something that you got all the power. Take out of your mind that something is gonna happen because you create your own reality. And don't be scared because this will make you free for real. Boris, did you say you don't pay anything
[01:35:24] Unknown:
on? Well, you're welcome, man. I figured it's my fault. You're a good citizen. Taxes in Amazon anymore. You do you got I order active in Amazon now. So when you order something, you don't have to pay the state tax like everybody does on Amazon orders. Right? Nothing. Nothing. Nothing, Royer. Nothing. If you order a bunch of I don't pay no tax. That that stuff adds up down there charging it. So good, Boris. Thank you. Michael, what, what's your response to all this? Michael?
[01:36:03] Unknown:
I need to keep hearing it.
[01:36:05] Unknown:
Okay. Well, we'll keep telling you.
[01:36:08] Unknown:
I'll keep feeding you people. New students. Right? I I came on this morning to ask you some questions and Yeah. Good. You're you're I'll I'll be the new student again for everybody to listen. Fantastic. There's nothing wrong with that. That's excellent, and we love it because I'd rather talk about this than lose my mind over Iran and everything that's going on over there. That is 100%. I'd rather have you beat me up and keep talking and talking to me and let everybody keep hearing it then you keep talking about Iran and Jews, and I'd rather keep hearing this. Right. Well, it's, it's where the rubber meets the road. And as all the listeners will tell you, we got somewhere around been around here a long time.
[01:36:49] Unknown:
You cannot hear these basics enough. You just can't hear them enough. And and even and here's one of the reasons is the first time you hear them, you're in a different learning mode. You've gotten to a certain point. And then the next time you hear them, you've grown. And when you hear them again, you see different things in them that you didn't see before. I think that's a big part of it. K? And as Brent Winter said on here one day years and years and years ago, he said, you know, when you learn the basics, anything's easy. And, boy, that's true.
K? So we're happy to do that with you, Michael, and it helps everybody else too. And we got people that are listening, maybe just stumbled into us. We're getting a few new people, not as many as I'd like, but in all honesty, we've never got as many as I'd like with the exception of the worst interview I ever did. And for me, the worst interview I ever did got me without a doubt overwhelmingly the most response. Incredible to me, but that's truth. And that was the Sarah Westall interview that got Paul here and, a number of other folks. And why that happened, Sam, I do not know. And all he heard was one of the three different, things she edited it. Third hour. So That was it. Why I don't know. I don't know why that is. I don't know why this hit certain people. I don't know why certain people like you are have been more susceptible to their conditioning.
I I don't I don't have an answer for all those things. I wish I did. Right. I do have partial answer, and the receptivity of the information with the individual, believe has something to do with their spirituality gene. Now they don't have to be real spiritual at the time, but it converts them into that or some people are and they see it. And some people see it immediately. Others like yourself, I'm not picking on you. Others, like yourself, just takes a lot longer. And I I don't I don't have an answer for that, Michael. I wish I did. Let's see here holding while he's in the bathroom again.
[01:39:08] Unknown:
Betty, you I got a you know, you're lucky. Quick chime in. Okay. Go ahead. Some people, even if you don't, there's something that, like, a reverberation, I call it. You just feel it. You don't understand it at first, but you feel that there's
[01:39:23] Unknown:
such a depth of truth there. Yep. It's first time I ever heard it. I didn't understand all this high legal stuff. My head was spinning like Dorothy and the Exorcist. But I walked out of there going, hell, there's something of great substance here, and that's what keeps you investigating. And the more you investigate, the sounder it becomes. And then at some point, when you've got that information in you, you start getting re empowered. And I think what's happening there is you're getting connected back to God and getting the powers and the rights you were supposed to get at birth that Esau Edom here stole from you the minute your feet exited mom's birth canal. You weren't born until your feet came out unless you're a breech birth. Okay? You weren't born until your feet came out. The minute your feet popped out, you were born under the fourteenth amendment, and they threw this blanket on you.
[01:40:17] Unknown:
Hey, Raj. Yes, Paul. I came to the program under the most unlikely of circumstances. I had heard of Sarah Westall, but I very, very rarely got, got to watch or listen to any of her interviews. I got the link through Skype, which I very, very rarely ran because it basically throws my computer for a loop. The most unlikely of people to have forwarded the third hour of that interview to me was doc Peter Gosselin, the, hemp paste and canopaste guy. He normally does not send me things like that. So Peter sent me the link in Skype, which I rarely use, about an interviewer that I rarely watch about the third hour of a three hour interview, and that's why I'm here. The most unlikely of circumstances.
[01:41:12] Unknown:
See what I did, Michael. Her a friend of mine hooked me up with miss Westall. And, so when we were talking right before she started the interview, I made the mistake of telling her that I like conversational interviews. Boy, did she take me seriously. Okay? And that's why I say it was the worst one I did. She kept damn interrupting me. But whatever it was caused an unbelievable response because I didn't even have a a website that was worse in and out or anything. And I got so many requests for information that I stayed up an entire all night long answering them.
I have no idea how many there were, but there were a bunch of them. And there's where Paul comes into the picture. Let me throw you up this website. That's why we got the website. All that happened off the worst interview I think I ever did. So whatever that's worth. What was happening at that time was,
[01:42:12] Unknown:
he had so few responses that he just had a document that he would copy and paste into an email. So he was asking people, send me an email at radio rant or Yeah. To [email protected], and I'll send you information. Well, I took that information that was in that email, and I said, look. This guy's gonna go nuts if he's physically touching every single response. Let's see if we can put this up on the web. And I
[01:42:43] Unknown:
It was quite labor intensive. I'll tell you that.
[01:42:46] Unknown:
Absolutely. You know what? Maybe to get the message out maybe to get the message out, we should, we should take a clue from some of, like, the more brilliant examples of, like, advertising and promotion. Like, there was a there was a singles ad. A singles ad in the paper. It read single black female seeks male companionship. Ethnicity not important. I'm a very good looking girl who loves to play. I love long walks in the in the woods, pickup trucks, hunting, camping, and fishing trips, cozy winter nights lying by the fire. Candlelit dinners will have me eating out of your hand. When you get home from work, I will be at the front door wearing only what nature gave me. Call 404 blank blank blank blank blank blank and ask for Daisy.
Well, after that ad, over 1,500 men found themselves talking to the Atlanta, Georgia Humane Society about an eight week old lab called Daisy.
[01:43:48] Unknown:
Yeah. What did I hear? So is it who who did who's saying this last night or this morning? Said you wanna stop all wars? Paul, you wanna stop all wars? Yeah. Yeah. Put the, And only let only naked women fight them. And then the men will just sit back and watch. Yeah. Or Nobody's solution. Thought it was interesting.
[01:44:15] Unknown:
Or put the kids of the legislators on the front lines.
[01:44:19] Unknown:
Well, there you go. Yeah. I wanna see Hey, Roger. Hey, Roger. Hey. Roger, I think if they went your route, men would just be trying to start more. I don't know. I'm just saying I don't know either, Lisa. But they would bring cameras. Idea. I thought it was interesting. We don't borrow any suggestions here. I'm thinking the only talk to people who have to go in the bathroom to talk to us. Wahid, what do you got? I'm thinking the only the only shots that would be taken would be with cameras and not guns.
[01:44:47] Unknown:
Go ahead, Wahid.
[01:44:49] Unknown:
Some of them you may not wanna look at. Yeah. Go ahead, Wahid.
[01:44:54] Unknown:
Yeah. Are they are they are they all are all of the 600 agencies. All of them are that that came about after 1933. All of them are unconstitutional.
[01:45:06] Unknown:
Correct? No. They're not unconstitutional. That's not right. They're extra constitutional in bankruptcy, but they're not unconstitutional or the courts would have thrown this out long ago,
[01:45:26] Unknown:
Extra constitution. Yeah. I heard you say that earlier, but I just caught the tail end of it.
[01:45:33] Unknown:
Okay. Well, there I gave you the front end of it here. So what else?
[01:45:42] Unknown:
I I, what's that word? I keep forgetting that word. I resist. What's that word we use when we wanna end our? I yield. I yield. I yield.
[01:45:53] Unknown:
Yield.
[01:45:54] Unknown:
I resent my dear Roger.
[01:45:56] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, you could go back into CB language and say over.
[01:46:01] Unknown:
Okay?
[01:46:06] Unknown:
Okay. There your your CB handle will be bathroom buster. Is that okay, bathroom buster? +1 04. +1 04. There you go. See? No.
[01:46:19] Unknown:
We'll just call him when you were driving. We'll just call him +1 0100.
[01:46:24] Unknown:
Okay. +1 0100. What do you what was your handle when you were driving?
[01:46:28] Unknown:
Well, it depend it would depend.
[01:46:32] Unknown:
Oh, you change handles. Well, I was in the music business when Convoy came out, and it was on it was on a sister label that was in our in our our our distribution group there. And then we got one. See if you ever heard this one. Well, guy had an advertising agency out of Greenville, and he called himself Cletus Maggard, the white knight. Did you ever hear that? Cletus Maggard and the white knight?
[01:46:59] Unknown:
No.
[01:47:01] Unknown:
Hey. We it was a competitor thing, so I was steeped in all that back then. And, so ten four, good buddy.
[01:47:10] Unknown:
I I called myself the white stag when I was a teenager and had a base station at home. And when I was on the road, I either called myself, deficit spending or easy money depending on how much I had in my pocket at the time.
[01:47:29] Unknown:
Well, that's a unique handle handles. Okay. So, let's see what else. Did we exhaust Wahid's questions? Does he send can we send him back to the lobby or what?
[01:47:41] Unknown:
Yeah. And, Wahid, I think your handle will be +1 0100.
[01:47:44] Unknown:
I don't mean the Israeli lobby. Don't take me wrong. We're gonna send him back to the bank lobby. Wahid, are you finished? Are you over? I think he might be.
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Yeah. I think his handle should be +1 0100. You know, are we secret the Knesset the Knesset the Knesset in Israel is more powerful than our congress, and I think that's our actual congress, the Israeli Knesset.
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Well, hell, there's some that wouldn't argue with you. They certainly control Congress. You know, have any of you watched the whole TED or Tel Aviv TED? You know, that's what his name is now. Tel Aviv, Ted Cruz, interview with, mister car, mister Tucker. I've heard some nice. Whole thing on that? It's very interesting. You might have seen some snippets in there. But, boy, if you wanna talk about a dead giveaway, and they're going, well, Tucker's cornering on being with APAC. Well, they're really not very effective. They they they they really don't do very good work. And he's in there, DISAN, APAC, the most organized.
These people are all highly organized. When the ships from Europe, a hundred years ago, started hitting New York Harbor there at what's the, Ellis Island? Isn't that it, Paul? Mhmm. Where they went through all the immigration, Ellis Island, wouldn't it? When they started hitting New York, the cry was organize, organize, organize among the Jews. And you see the result. You see the result of that. These people are highly organized, and nothing goes on in those congressional offices that they mostly don't know about because everyone in congress, with the exception of Marjorie Taylor Greene and and and and this fellow from Kentucky, everybody's got an APAC person in their office Yeah. In the office embedded in their office staff.
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I have a solution.
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Jeff Jeff Berwick said the other Jeff Berwick has the tape of the guy saying that we write the script,
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and we know that somebody said it's like a movie. Yeah. They write their script. That was an interview with a Mossad officer who was cloaked on TV. I saw another I saw it again the other day. That's what it is.
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It's where he got it. Paul, what were you gonna say that why you I have the jumped in there? I have the solution to our problem, but it would take an act of God to get it done. We need no one in government, no one, period, that it has dual citizenship. They're either all in The United States or they're out.
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Okay. Done. Well, that would affect an awful lot of people besides the Israelis.
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Yep.
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We got a lot of Americans down here that have Ecuadorian and US citizenship.
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Yeah. But you're not in office
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In order to hold public office You said in off oh, okay. I didn't I didn't get that, boy. That'd be excellent.
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Yeah. In order to hold public office, they have to be all into The United States and not have dual citizenship.
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Mhmm. There you go. So,
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Hey. I I have another little tidbit FYI. Yes. Sure. Because we talk about a lot of the administrative agencies being implemented after '33. The FDA was was started in nineteen o six.
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Yeah. But it was a cabinet level office, an executive office. It wasn't an agency. They same with secretary of state. Well, they've turned all those cabinet offices into agents agencies. K? You you understand what I just said?
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I mean, I know it's the Food and Drug Administration, but then it's saying a federal agency, which, yeah, I don't know if it's was done. But
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but that was It was started
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It started out as a as a division of chemistry.
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Yes. It was made started, I believe, to make sure that the ingredients that are listed on labels were correct. And I I and that was a very innocent origin, And it's grown into a frigging monstrosity. And, thank God Robert Kennedy's in there and making some changes, some pretty important ones. You know, he changed out every member on the CDC board, on the vaccine board. There's, like, 21 of them. He fired all the other ones, brought in totally new people. So good on you, Robert Kennedy. K? I think it was originally, brought up as a a cabinet agency, and and they converted all of those to agencies.
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Right. And bureaus. It was a it was a bureau also. There you go. There you go. There you go.
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Alright. Somebody That's why I chat. Somebody wrote that William wrote the chat. It's really funny. He said, Roger should make another appearance on Sarah Westall.
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Well, if she calls me back, I'll go on with her again. She tried to her big friend is SGT report. They're both in Minneapolis, and, she suggested to, Sean over there to pick me up, but he'd rather run all these other people that don't know what they're talking about. So we've never made many inroads since then. I don't believe Sarah had any idea of what we were talking about just like Joyce Riley didn't. But, how about the fact that I got all that off Sarah Westall, Wahib, and I don't believe we got one person off two separate appearances on Jeff Rents with his huge audience. How balance that out for me.
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Well, you that would be a good idea that would be a good idea going on the STG report.
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Well, if you'll ask me, I'll do it. Wahiba, I don't turn these people down. We had some new guy last week who didn't communicate with me very well. Julie was the intermediary. People are telling me I'm on. I never get a link. I never get confirmation and and I've never heard from him since. So what am I supposed to do? Go chasing him down? I don't do that anymore. I don't chase people down anymore. We got the goods. They come to me. And the reason for it is out of everybody I've ever contacted, I've never had even one reply ever.
So it's not for me to be staying there and telling you I've got the answer. Third party people, it's you people, right, and Jeff Rents, that got that happening. And it's you guys that have got to spread the message. I when I tell people I've got the answer, they look at me like I'm crazy. Yes. Who was right? Hey, Roger there.
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It's it's Dave. If you hamstring them, you don't gotta chase them.
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I just don't chase people anymore with this. I've learned that the see, here's the big thing I learned. We've got two types of power here. We've got black power, dark power, if you will, evil power, and we've got white power or good power. Dark power has to reach out and touch you to affect its power. They if you're not interacting with them, they can't exercise their power, can they? Well, they can do a little bit mentally and get you scared and stuff. I agree with that. That's why that's there. But if they're gonna do something to you, they gotta reach out and touch you. White power, good power attracts.
People see what it is and they want it and they come to it like a moth to the flame. There's the dialectical and dark and and light power. So I want people to come if you, cause I can't go. Here's the real reason. If I go beat you up with this, you're not going to do what's required. If you don't want to do it, you're not going to do the reading. You're not going to do the thinking. You're You're not gonna do the studying for you to get you where you wanna be. If I tell you you gotta do it or you pay me to do it, then you're gonna run off and just go about your life the way you always have. And if that happens, nothing changes.
The world doesn't change. You've got to be the change. So if you're not really interested in what's here, you're not gonna do what it takes to go through and get the change. And if that doesn't happen, I'm wasting my time with you. So I only deal with people that come to me. Capisce? I'm telling you, there's nothing that we do here that has not been thoroughly and completely thought out and thought through. I've been, because I haven't been able to shake this stuff from my mind for about thirty three and a half years or thirty two and a half or whatever the hell it is, that comes up here next month.
But we got the answer. Our guys, they they don't come back on us. They stand there mute, and they try and do all this double shuffling, and, no, it doesn't exist. No. Well, that's just total bullshit. It exists all over the place. K? And, and if you get that kind of person you're dealing with, if you don't know your stuff, you can't defend your position. So if you don't learn the information, everything always comes back to that, learning the information. That's what allows all these other things to happen in you and these changes where, yes, something changes, you.
Now let's get a bunch of people like that, and collectively, we very well may just can change the world a little bit because that's the power of what we've got here. That's what keeps me going. K? Yes.
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Jesse. Jesse. I read certain verses in the Bible, and every time I read that, I've been thinking in the last couple of months, the circumstances that when you are preaching, in certain ways, the freedom and being under the umbrella of god given rights and, instead of, rights from, satanical citizenship. And, I would like to read two verses, and it relates to why people don't hear
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when you're telling the truth.
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Mhmm.
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Let me get the verse. It's acts acts two thirty six to 38. And, at the end of 36, it says, Jesus, when you crucify both Lord and Messiah. You know, it's Peter. He's preaching the day of Pentacle when Christianity was officially, people were converting and receiving the truth. In verse 37, this could be Michael and many of us, when he says, when the people heard this, because of the truth being natural, what do you need to be saved? They were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other Abato, brothers, what shall we do? You know, sometime, some people won't get caught in the heart because they don't follow the truth.
But Peter's and the people there said, what should we do? And Peter answered in 38. Peter replied, repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for forgiveness and and receive the Holy Ghost. You know, you give them the solutions like you have. They ask you what is the solution for freedom. You give them the truth and you give them the remedy, but sometimes they're not caught in their hearts. So that keep on going their way, but the truth will never be popular.
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Well That's my truth. As well as like the mention, I wish we had to mention I could Go ahead. I'm sorry. I consider you
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as a as a model, Peter, in many ways.
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Thank you, Jesse. I wish we had time to pull pull up and play the, H. L. Menken quote there. It says exactly the same thing. And maybe we'll have time to do that tomorrow. Between now and then key it up, we'll mention it now and see if we can play it tomorrow because, boy, it's just like the bible and it's dead accurate. Anyway, thanks for being with us. Michael, thank you for coming forward again and letting us go back and do all this, basic stuff over. I hope you got something more out of it today than maybe you have previously. So, anyway, you continue to come back. We'll continue to feed you, and we just want everybody that's moved by this information, we want you to be free and back under god's protections.
So, hopefully, we'll see you tomorrow.
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Thank you, Roger.
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Michael, you're very welcome, man. I'm very sincere. We're not gonna beat you up, but I would just feed you as much as you need.
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Roger?
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Yes, sir. Samuel. Yes. Yes, sir. Hi.
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I just I was, I was working, but I I couldn't chime in at the time. But when this guy's I'd never read anything from this guy again. I used to think Wall Builder had something to say. But if he thinks the fourteenth amendment is a is some kind of virtue, the guy is so far off base. I mean, what do you need? Something you know, it eliminated the bill of rights. Right? It gave us law like Roe versus Wade. Right? It eliminated the republic and gave us a democracy, and it turned us all into feudal slaves. And he thinks it's it's wondrous?
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I mean, what a moron. Well, he thinks I put too much emphasis on it. Now that was written a while back. He may have changed by now. People certainly have the freedom to change. It's just a misinterpretation. And as I tell y'all, the real blessing that I've had with this was being a student of John w Benson and knowing this old law. If if I would never been exposed to that, I don't know that I would have been able to accomplish what we've accomplished, Samuel.
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Once again Yeah. Right. Right. I've left the day that I heard your message. Yeah. There you go. Those the slim chance.
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And maybe maybe Michael hadn't heard this yet. The, the slim chance that in 1992 in late July or early August that I was contacted by someone, who told me about the tax movement, first of all. I'd never known about that. And then to feed us, this is these guys in town, they only taught for six months. I think Atlanta was the second or third place they taught. So they must have started in July, and they didn't let them go. I arrested and let them go until about November, October late November, October sometime, and then they raided all three offices, held them all in the floor with locks at their heads.
You the federal government doesn't act that quickly today to anything. That was thirty something years ago, so that was the first tip-off. But the fact that out of let's say we had 300,000,000 people back then. Out of 300,000,000 people in the country, in the six months they taught, 1,200 of us were exposed to it and had some kind of motivation to go pay and go through the course. And, out of that 1,200, I was the only one that took this information further because none of them did. That's the slim chance that we're on here today, folks, that you people are exposed to that. One out of three hundred million thirty three years ago.
Only one that took it further. So there you go. It's just a it's a miracle that we're here. So for whatever that's worth, those are the kind of things I think about. Now, we got lunch today and, and, go take a shower and stuff and head off to be with these good people and then right after I answer Julie's question. Yes, ma'am.
[02:05:05] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. I just have a quick question, for you, Roger. How come so I know Sean from SGT report. I could I I can see if he'll have you on his show. He's he's kind of hot headed. He's he's, controversial for me at least, but I can see if I can get him on your show. And regarding the, regarding the other guy, Kevin Hoyt, I haven't been able to reach him. I do believe he is in danger. They're trying to get rid of him because of the information he possesses, but I know he's a man of his word, and I know that he wants you a 100% on a show. It's just a matter of when he he'll reach out to me when he gets
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It it sounds to me like from what you've told me that he damn sure needs our information more than anybody. So, hopefully, he gets out of that She does. Out of that situation. I would be glad to do the interview. I got no problem with that. Sean, the SGT would rather talk to people that think it's admiralty law and you're a ship sailing on the line. I know. Buddy, and he likes to go down all that crap. So I Todd Callender. Todd Callender. Well, Todd, I Yeah. I spent Julie. Yvonne. Right? Julie. I spent two hours on the phone with Todd Callender explaining this, and he didn't get it either.
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And, you know, here's the other thing that's very weird. These a lot of these shows are featuring Paymon Maqedeh, who's Iranian, and he doesn't promote you becoming a national. He just says she don't have to pay taxes. And he but he doesn't do the national thing, so I don't understand where he's coming from. Some of his videos on Would you like to understand?
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Would you like to understand where he's coming from? All the anybody that goes and goes through his course, he gives the host a kickback. That's where he's coming from.
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Say that again. I didn't hear you.
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Everybody that goes through his core course from a show, he takes a percentage and gives the host a kickback. That's why they have him on there.
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But then why does,
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but how do these people get out of paying taxes if they're not nationals? Then I don't understand what he's doing. I don't look. I don't claim to have the only thing that works. I don't know. I hadn't gone and studied his stuff. I I don't know why the IRS doesn't club him. It goes to show that there's more than one loophole in the thing to me. Maybe Michael needs to go over and pay Peyton and go through his course. But that's the reason he's on a lot of other shows regularly is because they get a kickback off people who join and go through his course. I don't charge. I can't do that.
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Well, maybe you should.
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Just just tell me. Want to. I don't want to. I don't wanna keep up with it. I don't give a damn about money.
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But no. No. No. No. No. You don't get it. Just tell the host, you have me on your program. Any, any students I get from your program, I'll give you 10%.
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I'll give you a yeah. That's right. I'll give you 10%. Figure out.
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And 20 attaboys.
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You get 20 attaboys for absolutely nothing.
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Mhmm.
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For some You can tell them that really, I've just gotten to the point where I I said, I know what I'm supposed to do. I can't open that door. I tried for years. It's frustrating, and it made me wanna quit. I got aggravated and pissed off, and I realized I just don't wanna do that. I don't wanna ruin my day that way, and that this is God's plan. It's God's work. He let him do this shit to us. It appears that he guided us to find a solution, and his people are gonna be the ones that respond to it. That's the only thing I go on right there. When I think we got a lot to play here. There's some big things building. Now we got all kind of things building around us and pressures and all these situations. At some point, this message is gonna become even more important.
And when that event and time comes, he'll open the door for us. That's my belief. He wants to use this for maximum effect, and it's powerful enough to potentially help take these bastards down or maybe even in the right set of circumstances, take them down. And I don't know about that. I can't worry about that. All I wanna do is find people that are attracted to the message like Michael that don't might not understand and explain it to them in the simplest way that I can so that they can make a wise decision. My job is to tell you you've got a choice that you didn't know you had. And if you wanna pursue it, explain it to you and help you go through it. That's what I consider to be my job.
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Hey, Raj.
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Yes, sir.
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Maybe you can, offer cross promotion for their program because we have had, almost 24,000 downloads of your archives. It's not including the live listeners. You've had Uh-huh. Almost 24,000 downloads since 01/01/2025.
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Well, maybe Jeff Rents is right. Maybe we do have a large audience. Maybe it's growing. I don't know why some of them with that number don't show up here. May maybe they're all gainfully employed. I don't have answers to any of those questions. The only thing I know is to get on here as as six days a week and open up this microphone and say, anybody that has any questions or comments on the subject matter that we primarily cover here, and that's the reason we're here.
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Right.
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And if you don't, we'll talk about whatever. Yes. Yes, Larry.
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Yeah. Here's your verse for the day. Proverbs twenty five two, it is the glory of God to conceal a thing, but the honor of kings just is to search out a matter.
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I'd say it's pretty accurate. You know? Basically, you wanna draw some more corollaries. We're like King Arthur. We pulled Excalibur out of the stone. Mhmm. That's what we've got is Excalibur. So that doesn't mean I'm staying at a hotel in Las Vegas. Doesn't have anything to do with that. Okay? It's just Excalibur is the sword. It's razor sharp. It cuts both ways, and they're scared as hell out of it. I'll tell you that. They've had it. Now they don't have it anymore. We've got it. You don't see them coming and trying to take it away. All you see is them staying mute. Oh, they'll send you a bluff letter. They'll try and scare you. That's the only thing they've got to fall back on anymore.
But we've beaten them. And, you know, just boy, thank glory to god. Okay? So, anyway, I'm Roger. Yes, Larry. What you're gonna ask, does it have anything to do with food?
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No. I was just gonna say they may send you a bluff letter, but remember, it's the new and improved bluff letter. They don't send me miss Robinson.
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They don't send me craps as they stole that $35,000 that I'm in the process of getting back.
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They don't send me nothing, buddy. Yeah. I do have a food related comment. Okay. When you're trying to figure out what to eat for lunch today
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That's always the big decision.
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Just remember, you know, when you buy a bag of salad and it gets all brown and soggy, cookies don't do that. I'm just saying.
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Okay. Well, that's probably wise advice. Now the brownies, sometimes they serve as brownies, and they're they're some bitches are so hard they could be used as bricks. If you throw it against the table, probably bust the table. It happened one time. It's been a joke. So, anyway
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Bob, cookies don't get Yeah. Go ahead. Bob, your cookies don't get like that because, the salad don't got chemicals. The cookies got a lot of artificial chemicals.
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Probably do. Probably right, Boris. Michael, thanks for stepping forward. Always nice to talk to you. And, we appreciate you coming around, and it spurns all this other stuff. And we go off and have other folks, give their perspective and experience. So, if you and Michael listens all the time, I guess. So thanks for coming forward today. It took the pressure off all this other garbage and of me yelling at those bloodthirsty bastards. Is that they just they screwed Trump again. You saw that last night. They're you know? He well, we got peace. I got agreements. So they should shoot off a volley of, rockets. Israel, the bastards. I mean, they're just trying to directly screw with Trump is what is what it it becomes more apparent with every volley.
So, anyway, we'll be back tomorrow. If you got something, save it. And, and we'll see what happens between now and then. So fair, fair? Fair, fair. Fair, fair. Have a great day. I'm gonna go hang out with the boys and girls here and talk stuff, probably a bunch of geopolitical stuff. So, anyway, we'll see you tomorrow. Thank you, Boris. And, I love each and every one of you because of who you are. So see you tomorrow. Ciao. Have a great day.
[02:15:03] Unknown:
Love you back. Hey. By the way, Paul Yes? I heard you yesterday something about if I time out and and refresh or something real fast, and I wouldn't lose the chat.
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Yeah.
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So so was it if I do I have to refer I timed out, and I lost everything. And I, buddy, I came right back.
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Really?
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Because I was in the midst of trying to get part of the chat for Murr, and and yep. It was gone. But luckily, the part that she had missed was things we had put in preshow. It was Brent's things, and I and I actually had them open. So so I still had access to them. Mhmm. But I well, chat did go away. So what was it that you do I have to refresh or what? Well, I don't know. I think that it works that way with the app,
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but I don't think it works that way with the web version.
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Oh, I was thinking you said it the other way.
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And can I ask a question? Why was my mic muted the last two minutes? Now.
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Now.
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Because Can I ask longer because I muted the last two minutes? I kept saying, hey, Roger. Hey, Roger.
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Because he was trying to It happens to me too, but he he happens.
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He was trying to end the show and get on with his lunch.
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Because I was gonna ask
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I was gonna oh god. I forgot what I was gonna ask because you need to Is it in the chat? That's the new and improved IRS letter that's in the chat? Was that Yes. That that you may have remembered? That was it. Yes. And and you even typed it and you still can't remember it?
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My senior moments are getting closer and closer together. Well, that's because you live in the land of fruits and nuts.
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Too much aluminum, Jah. You need Masterpiece.
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Masterpiece is a rapper. Masterpiece.
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No. No. Masterpiece It's no. Not talking about the wrapper. I'm talking about the detox.
[02:17:37] Unknown:
It's poison. I'm telling you that stuff is poison. I had such a bad adverse reaction from that.
[02:17:44] Unknown:
Yeah. You'll get a bad bad reaction because it was taking your your, bad stuff out of your body, and that's what happened. When you take it,
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it takes all your
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I'm sorry?
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That's called that I think it's pronounced Herxheimer effect where
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your detoxing too fast. Not a normal Herxing action. I literally felt like somebody was stabbing me in the back of my eyeball, and I was having eye issues that were so severe. And I've heard that those tests that were done on that are not accurate. And I've also heard that, that, that is just zeolite and that and zeolite is not good for you. So I just use chlorine dioxide for metal detox. It's safer.
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Well Hey. You know, I just need everything
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is not right for everybody. You know? It's not everything that you take is good for you.
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Can I ask a quick question? I'm sorry. I don't mean to interrupt you and Sarah. But is is is Epsom salt good, as a dire a diuretic or as a, to remove? Do you know anything? Because somebody had told me that you could take a tablespoon of the of Epsom salt, put it in a glass of water, and it'll help you flush out everything in your do you guys know if there's any truth to that?
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Don't do it at work. That's a good source of magnesium.
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Don't do it at
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work. Oh, you have heard you've heard of it. Been in Japan.
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Yeah. Don't Did you did you you've heard of it, Paul? Don't do it at work or you'll be spending a lot more time than just when you're talking on the show in the bathroom.
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And you could just put it in a water and do a foot soak too, and you'll absorb, and it'll be much less
[02:19:31] Unknown:
Yeah. Likely to cause the stomach issues. Right. You mean you mean I could put Epsom salt in bathwater, and it'll do the same thing? Yep.
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Your skin is very porous. You know? It absorbs a lot. So
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Your skin is But you guys have heard of you guys have heard of Epsom salt in a glass of water. Yeah.
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You could you could stick your Yeah. Yeah. I hate when you your head out too.
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When you take a shower, you absorb six to eight ounces of water every time you take a a shower through your skin.
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And if you have city water, all the chemicals that are in there, not only is your skin absorbing them, but you're also breathing them in through the steam and stuff. So Yeah. It's a lovely, lovely setup they have there.
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Yeah. But you can use you can use you can use that that thing that that thing that Alex Jones sells, that water filters. What do you guys think of that?
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Do you know Epsom salts also is good for you can put it in your garden as a good source of magnesium for a natural fertilizer.
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Must be talking I must be talking really loud because the manager of the, the manager of the property manager hears me.
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Yeah. Yeah. You are talking pretty loud.
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Oh.
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Hey, Barry. Hey, Barry. Yes.
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Yes. Yes. Uh-huh. Jones. How can I help you?
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Hi. Yes. The Amazon still pays, sales tax credit. Was that a complicated thing to go to apply? Or No. No.
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No. No. No complicated at all. No. You just I just went to the tab to send session. They tell me to send a certificate. The certificate is, form that your state give you, right, to be. It's the same one that I use at work. I send them that with my affidavit and the letter that I sent to the IRS, and that was all. Couple hours later, they tell me that everything was set up, to wait fifty minutes, and my account was going to be that sent. And that's how it was.
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Okay. Good.
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Yes. Very good.
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What account was that, Bori?
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I'm sorry?
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What what account was that?
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Amazon.
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Amazon. Okay. Amazon. Yeah. Yes.
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Yeah. Amazon. Yes. And I did the same thing to the property taxes. I did the same thing. I send everything, the, the affidavit, the papers that I sent to the IRS. I even send them, the, certificate of nationality. I send them that, and everything went smooth. That's it. They told me, oh, do you wanna pay? Do do you wanna make an arrangement? I tell them no because I don't owe you nothing. Who did
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you send? Who did you send the property tax issue to?
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To my, the city of Williamsburg, the one that is in charge of the property taxes. He's like I forgot the name. But he's in charge of the taxes in the county.
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May I ask how much is that to the world? Was it the county treasurer, Bory Bory, that two line is something? Yes.
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Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. I even I think I got it here. Let me see. Let me check my email. I tell you right now.
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It it was for his automobile. For his automobile, Samuel.
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Oh, yeah. But it it doesn't it doesn't matter. Property taxes are property taxes, you know. Just Yeah. I I bet you that a lot of people haven't pushed the property taxes for for the house. They haven't pushed the envelope and send the the paperwork to be taxes sent from their, you know, from their house taxes.
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Okay. I I was I was unclear when you said property tax. I thought you meant, land.
[02:24:21] Unknown:
Well, and but it's it's it's almost the same because when you pay property taxes in your house or in your car, they don't tell you that they are off your car or your house. The property that they charge is on you, on your person. That's why they put a link on you. You know?
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Yeah. Okay. Well, that's fair enough. That's that's understandable. Paul, I was gonna ask you earlier, one of those things that I've never gotten a copy of is the 66 questions by Al Adas. I was wondering, do do you have those posted? Yeah. They're right on matrix. Yeah. They're right on the matrix docs under downloadables
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in the download section. Cool. Right there.
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Thank you.
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No problem.
[02:25:21] Unknown:
Hey, Paul. Yeah. Hey, Paul. Yeah. Do you remember about, I don't know, two weeks or three weeks or four or however long ago, we were on the after show, everybody here. And Samuel was mentioning mentioning how he was flying and well, first of all, he did some, I think, MMS, or and then he and then he was he had a code or something, and then then something I can't remember the order and then something then he took some turpentine. He said that knocked it out, I think he said. And then you came on brilliantly and said, oh, well, the reason all that works, Samuel was smart. And and Paul said, oh, it was because you you you took a parasite, an antiparasitic for so many days, and then you quit for so many days, and then you took another one.
Do you remember all that, Paul? And do you remember the sequence of the days and the Yeah. Let well, yeah. Let me ex let me explain. Let me explain it to you.
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Adult Paris says Before you explain that to her, it was to the department attestation, the wrong to me. Department attestation from the commonwealth of Virginia.
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Okay. Department of taxation. Thank you. Alright. Oh, taxation. Yes, sir. Okay. I tell you I I I tell you how to how to do that and why that happens. Do some people, they'll do a Right. They'll do a cleanse, they'll do a detox, they'll do an anti parasitic cleanse. They don't do it all the way through and then they stop. Well, when there's a pair parasites in your body, they're happily, merrily, laying millions of eggs in your body. But because the parasites are greedy, kinda narcissistic, they emit an enzyme that pro that inhibits the hatching of those eggs, because a parasite doesn't wanna have to compete for food.
So when you do a parasitic cleanse, it kills the live parasites. That enzyme is no longer being released, so all of these eggs, millions of them, were being
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inhibited I don't have a fish eye. From
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from hatching I bet she can be it, but
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Bruce, can you mute, please? These millions of eggs that were being inhibited from hatching now all hatch at once. And that is why you have the first Herxheimer reaction, then you have a huge parasitic load after that, and the next time you do a cleanse, it just gets worse and worse and worse. What I would do is I would suggest doing a cleanse for seven consecutive days. That way, when those little buggers hatch, you kill them right away and get it done. Do that once a month, and you'll be fine. But this this program is not an this program is not intended to treat, diagnose, prevent, or cure any disease and should not be considered medical device medical advice. Please consult a health professional, presuming you can find one. Thank you, Jim Ram, before acting on any information presented here.
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Okay. Okay. Okay. So I think you said just take
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a pair of Jerry Garcia. I'm sorry.
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That was
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Fenbendazole. Fenbendazole. That'll work. Either fenbendazole or ivermectin. Yeah. Either way. You can also use, chlorine dioxide. Chlorine dioxide is also an antiparasitic. Yeah. You can, do, bentonite clay. You can, mix, one part bentonite clay with, two or three parts distilled water. Shake it. Let it sit for a couple of days. Shake it again. Let it sit for a couple of days. And once the clay is fully hydrated, shake it, pour four ounces in a glass, top off that glass with another four ounces of water, drink it down all at once, and that clay will actually bind to the parasites and carry them out of your body with a whole bunch of other stuff that it drew out of your body because the clay is negatively charged. Toxins are positively charged. They have an electrostatic relationship which draws the toxins to the clay, and the clay is naturally pushed out of your body through the natural waste disposal system, I e, you know what I mean.
Disposal system, I e, you know what I mean. So
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are you saying but I thought okay. All I heard was you said take it for seven days, but I thought you said you've been you're supposed to stop for a few days and start again. No. Do that once a month.
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Just do it. Do days once a month. Yep. For seven days once a month. If you have a Herxheimer reaction, then I would do it for seven days every two weeks until the Herxheimer reaction severity, backs off. Because if you're if you do a cleanse one month and then have a Herxheimer reaction again the next month, either the cleanse isn't working, you're not doing it long enough, or you're not doing it frequently enough. You're gonna get to a point where you could do a cleanse and not suffer from a Herxheimer reaction. That's when you when you know that instead of seven days, you can go down to five days.
And if you're okay with that, then go down to three days and do that as a maintenance going forward. You should be fine.
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Okay. So from what you know, if someone starts a parasite cleanse, say, with MMS or what kind of clay was that? Bentonite
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clay.
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Yeah. Bentonite. Yeah. Bentonite. So so if someone starts to cleanse, like, let's say, what's today? Tuesday. And then they take it for seven days. So that seven days is killing the adult
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adult. That's right. And it's also killing the eggs as they are hatching. Not killing the larvae, but it will kill it will kill, it won't kill the eggs or the larvae, but it will kill the, larvae once they advance to the adult stage, and that happens very quickly. Seven days pretty much get rid of all of them.
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Well, so so the larvae the larvae, however you say it, it's getting killed during that seven days?
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Yeah. As as it, as it approaches adulthood. Yeah. Because different things kill eggs, different things kill larvae, and different things kill the adults. But if you are killing off the larvae as they become adults, then they don't have an opportunity to lay more eggs. That's what you're stopping is you're stopping the gestation cycle.
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Oh, okay.
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Okay?
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Good.
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Thank you. You're welcome. Not medical advice, just what I do. Can I go back to the tax advice? Was that Jerry Garcia that was,
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talking Boring.
[02:33:13] Unknown:
Sorry? That was boring. Yeah. That was boring. Okay. Okay. So, yeah, that that's an interesting I never thought of it that way, but, property tax is assigned to the name as well as the property. Yeah. It's linkage. Right? And it's kind of an excise tax, I guess. So is that was he basically paying his property tax that way too with an exemption? Are you I believe he rents. So the property taxes that he's paying, tax on would be his, vehicle. Because the d m the the DMV is an agency of the Department of Taxation and the Department of Revenue for the state.
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Correct.
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Okay, Paul. Another parasite question. So how many times a day would you take the or the MMS or the Fenben or the IVR? Just once a day is fine.
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Oh. If you do if you do MMS, what, what I would do, if you do MMS, is take a liter of water and take four or six drops of, the MMS solution, activate it, put it in that one liter bottle of water, and sip that all day long. Because, MMS only remains active in your body for, like, thirty minutes. So if you can get through the whole day, get through that liter bottle of water in a whole day, you should be fine. And that'll be, that'll be like a constant supply that will, kill the, the things you're trying to kill. So how many drops in one liter of water? Well, you can do it to to your own tolerance.
I think four drops is pretty, four drops of each, four drops of, sodium chloride, and four drops of the activator. Put that in a liter of water and sip that all day long. And if you don't think it's working if you don't think it's working, the next day, you can go up to six drops of each. But if you get to the point Yeah. Where if you get to the point where you're, like, either feeling sick to your stomach or, like, you have, less than enjoyable trips to the restroom, you can do fewer drops for the next day. You'll you'll find I mean, everybody's physiology is different. You will find the sweet spot. And once you do, just stick with it.
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Okay.
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That's kinda like what some people recommend for vitamin c. Take it until you get the The squirts. Less than optimal. Yeah. Well, even just whatever they they they usually say loose. Yeah. The squirts. Back up, and that's where you need to be.
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Yep. Yeah.
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Yeah. Take it to bowel tolerance. Selectivity at times.
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Eyes
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Yeah. If you find if you find yourself, dreading taking the Browns to the Super Bowl, back off a little bit. Sorry for the Ohio reference, Lisa. We used to say dropping the Cosby kids off at the pool. I think I prefer Browns to the Super Bowl. You're good.
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Ross isn't here, so you're good.
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Okay. Yeah. I I prefer taking the Browns to the Super Bowl.
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Has anybody here, like How about Ralph Lauren of Brownsnake?
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Big city when you Yeah. Uh-oh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead, Joan. It's Joan's turn now. Everybody everybody be quiet.
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Has anyone here like Samuel or Julie or Paul or, whoever else has ever taken, chlorine dioxide, MMS, when you take it, like, let's say you mix, four four drops each, five drops each, or six drops each in four ounces of water. And every every every time you you take it, every day you have taken it for three years or however many years you've taken it, every day when you take it, like, your body just go it's, like, so, offensive. The tape or the gas or the smell or something from the chlorine dioxide, it makes your body just, like
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Like what?
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Inhospitable.
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I don't know. Where'd Joan go? He's taking other touches. Maybe he's smelling bad because he's taking other touches out of your body.
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Yeah. May I? Yeah. Well, wait a minute. I want I want, Joan to clarify a little bit what, what she was getting at. Joan, are you still there? I mean, if you're taking it every day for three years, there shouldn't be anything.
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I think I think it appeared she might have froze or something when I chimed in it, and and now I'm not seeing her on the board. So seems to be much connection. I'm taking product
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product cleanser. It's, with walnut wood and papaya seeds, all natural stuff. And the first couple of days when I went to the bathroom, I see crazy stuff there. I freaked out. I freaked out.
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What did you say the first ingredient was, Bori?
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I'm sorry?
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What did you say the first ingredient the first ingredient you said? Worm did you say wormwood?
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It's a wormwood, black knot, cloth, papaya seed, and, the other name is n e e m. Neem. I don't Neem. Yeah. Uh-huh.
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Okay. And
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I've been taking that twice a day, and the couple of first day that went to the bathroom, I see some
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stuff that I never see before. Well, that's With that, I tell you everything. That's that's because you just got you got back from your vacation in Puerto Rico. What the hell did you eat down there?
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No. We we got we got we got bushel in here too, Paul. You think that Yeah. Yeah. I never I lived in this country for since 1997, and I never take nothing from for the parasites. I never knew that we have to take that, you know. Oh, and and don't you work aren't you a landscaper,
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Bory? Yes. Yes. Yes. I am outside all day. Yes. Yeah. And you're and you're in the soil. That's a big one. It's like if you're in the soil, if you're gardening doing those things, and if you have pets, you're very likely to have parasites.
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Yes. Yes. Yes, ma'am. Yes. I I got a symptom. I'd like to know if one of you know what it could be. Okay. When it's nighttime and I'm at home, you know when a mosquito bit you that you get, like, a big bomb? Yeah? Yeah. Okay. I some of those they getting I get getting that at night in my leg, and they eat a lot. And when the morning comes, everything goes away. When it start to be, like, 04:00 in the evening and I get home, that stuff start to bother me, itching and hurting, and, like, start to swallow.
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Yeah. Well No. I I I think the I think they're spiders. They're either spider bites or something like that. I have a couple on my right leg, one behind my kneecap, and, one, farther down my calf.
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And those just seem to be That's the places they love to be behind the kneecap. Yeah. I got in the left one, it start to itch and it start to get swallowing. And then when I do the one, it goes away. Yep.
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Right.
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That could could be part of the detox as well.
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Well But it it was before before the detox. That's why I started the detox because, I feel, like, stop moving inside my body. You know? Like, I feel stop walking inside my skin. You know? And, I was listening to a doctor today, and she said that all of us got nanotechnology in the body. Even if you don't get the vaccine, you got it. Because they putting that in the air, they putting in the food, in the water, in the drinks.
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Yes. Look at smart dust. Look at smart dust. That's an old It's smart dust. Yes. Yes, man. It's smart dust. Yes. You're right, Linda. Things some of those things, boy, you could try because and that's what I had told. Rush just yesterday was telling me. So, like, on his forearm right by his elbow, he has some kind of bite that's pretty swollen, and then it's by his wrist also. He has one to where if a mosquito was just moving on. But his whole arm feels funny, and he was putting apple cider vinegar on it. But if you have that, bentonite clay, put a little bit of that on those bite areas too to see if it'll pull that stuff out. But it it might be the parasites biting back.
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If it's nano That's what I thought. If it's supposed to be borax that you're supposed to take.
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Borax.
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The detergent. Yeah. Borax is the detergent. Yeah. But it
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about an eighth of a teaspoon in a quart of water daily will probably work. I actually take a little bit more because it's ALTI antifungal, and it's good for, any, thing that's happening in in toenail beds and stuff like that. It helps cure that.
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Where you could get that, you could get that in Amazon too or not? Borax.
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You could get that anywhere. Is that you just go to the regular store and you can buy a box of Borax. It's usually additive for washing
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clothes. Hey. Y'all
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it's it's right. B o, at
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Bor, v o r B v o r a x.
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Okay. Thank you.
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Some of my family members and myself, when we were a lot of mosquitoes, we would get one teaspoon of vinegar vinegar with one glass of water every day, and, all those bite spiders, mosquitoes will stay away. I guess they don't like vinegar.
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And, you know My daughter speculates that it's blood types, and I think it's o positive, which I think is what we are, and it seem they say you're more susceptible. Our blood is sweeter. They like us. I don't know.
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I believe that. AP. We have AP. We have all in our family. And, honestly, that's worked really well. And,
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so I got
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Hey, everybody. Did did y'all know I got kicked off when I was talking about the MMS reaction?
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Yes. And we waited for a bit, and we were trying Paul was like, just I wanna see what Joan comes, and it's like, I I think she timed out or something happened. So, yeah, you're back.
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Yeah. So so so did y'all finish hearing me? I mean, did did you finish did you hear everything I said, and did anybody reply as to what about did you hear my reaction? How I was describing it? Well,
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Paul, is he still there? Is Paul Paul was the one that was talking to you some too. And I don't think you finished, Joan. I think you probably missed a lot. Yeah.
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Yeah. He kinda froze up. Yeah. Paul wanna know why was the you said it was smelly.
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What did you say?
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Okay. Do you do you remember that you say that something was smelling wrong when you did that?
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I I said when I did the the chlorine dioxide every day for the past three years or however many years I've been taking every day, when I take, six straw in four ounces of water, I I every day, I get my whole body gets shivered. And and, I mean, it's not a seizure, but it's kind of a cross between a shiver and a seizure caesar my whole body. It's just like can you kind of, understand what I'm saying?
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I I think you're just taking too much of I don't think you need to take it that often, Joan.
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Like, how often?
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Well, I don't know. When you when you think you need it, I guess. You're not feeling well. For those for those for those cleanses. So like an ant
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a parasitic cleanse. I I don't think you do do those every day like that, and I don't know the protocol. I don't I don't know.
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I've got a little packet of Panic here here, and, it's like twice a year for dogs. Oh.
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And we just Why is that you're having trouble? Friend here my friend was in I was watching the doctor oh, go ahead. Go ahead. Sorry. Go ahead.
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Yep. My my friend was here in California. He had a 40 pound dog that got bit by a rattlesnake, and it cost her $2,200 to go to the vet, have give him the anti vax shot in the, in a night stay. Well, she's in Tennessee now, and a rattlesnake bit her dog there, 80 pound dog. So a little bit more of a dog to affect. Snake wasn't real big, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything when it comes to the venom. But we consulted together, and this time she used the MMS in water, got the dog to drink that, and locally put her down the wound. And I think the dog's been fine.
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Haven't checked with her yet today. I've been in the bathroom
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a couple of days ago.
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Lori? Lori, you're unmuted, and you're loud. I'm sorry.
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But I've heard that it does oxidize. I keep it on hand because I got rattlesnakes all over the place and just it's supposed to oxidize snake bites. So we'd put it on locally on the wound and then try to consume. And I told her in Humbles book to kill, in one dose to kill malaria in Africa, he was using fifteen drop dose, which is like his max dose. Yeah. But if you take that kind of a dose and you've got bugs in you, you'll be very sick because you'll be killing off too much at once. So you wanna sneak up on it with a smaller dose and then grow into it. But if you've been taking it for that long, I just I don't know if that's all that wise.
I know people drink it on a daily basis, diluted in water, but I think it's very, very little.
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So
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If I may? What do you what do you mean? Yeah.
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Why do you think you have parasites, Joan? Do you see them?
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No. But I thought everybody did, and I have two little dogs. And
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sometimes They live in the house?
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What? They live inside with you and you sleep with them?
[02:51:00] Unknown:
No. I don't sleep with them, but, yeah, they live in my house, two little chihuahuas.
[02:51:05] Unknown:
And how often do you, worm them?
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I just I just give them the m the chlorine dioxide in water every day. K.
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So, so we have a we have a cleanse at Youngevity, but we we call it a full moon cleanse. So you do it the morning of the full moon. That's when your parasites are most active. And, you can use it with any, you know, most of the time, they say they're that parasites are very smart, and they, you know, they want they wanna eat your nutrition, and they hide from, you know, stuff they don't want or like. And but during the full moon, the morning of the full moon, they can't hide. It it they're being pulled out of hiding.
So whatever you're using, the best time to do it is right when you wake up the on the morning of a full moon, and you can do it three days before and three days after because they'll they'll still be active during that time. But, you know, you'd like everybody's saying, you don't wanna do it all the time. You don't have to do it all the time. And for the snake bites, you know, there's like, we have an essential oil called fennel fennel oil. It's a pulling oil, and it's from India. And they use that, the snake charmers. They get bit by a snake there. They put, you know, a drop right on the on the wound, and it pulls that venom right out. No matter what what it is, a spider, a scorpion, a snake, you know, whatever the venom might be, it it it's a pulling oil. And we have something called patchouli oil. And, you know, all the oil companies, the essential oil companies have, you know, fennel and patchouli, I believe.
And those are both pulling oils. So everybody should have those on hand if they got snakes or venomous, insects that they're around. Keep it in your pocket. It works.
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So, anyway What's the ingredient so I What's the thank you. What's the ingredients of your Youngevity antipsychidic antiparstic hormone?
[02:53:45] Unknown:
We there there's three products that we use, and it's all in the GoodHerbs line. The they're they're herbal tinctures and their blends. I can't give you if you go to the website, you can see what the ingredients are. But, the full moon cleanse is, the first thing you take, it's called nerve support, and you put a half ounce of that inside of a quarter cup of honey, you know, raw honey. So and the honey baits them so they start eating that honey, and then the nerve support, it's like it paralyzes them. They can't run away. And then you drink, organic, grapefruit juice, four ounces with inside of it, you either mix a clove of garlic.
If you like if you can handle the garlic, you mix a clove of garlic and what we call our, it's called GI cleanse. That's what kills the eggs, the larvae, the pupa, and the live parasites, and it kills them all. And, you take a half ounce of that and mix it in with that, four ounces of, grapefruit juice and the clove of garlic. If you can't handle that garlic, we have something called respiratory support, and there is a clove of garlic in each ounce of that stuff. So and there's other stuff in there that, is beneficial, but you take that, a half ounce of that with the GI cleanse in the, in the, grapefruit juice. So and you the the full moon cleanse isn't on the site on the website, but, you know, those three products are the so it's the nerve support, the GI cleanse, and the respiratory support, and those are all in the GoodHerbs line and Youngevity.
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I yield Have you ever done that have you ever done that cleanse at the full moon time?
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We do.
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I've done it a couple of times.
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Is it easy? Yeah. It's not difficult. The, I actually I thought it was an ounce of those, herbs, those tinctures, and they're they don't taste good. And when you got an ounce of each one of them so first, you you have both drinks made up. Right? So as soon as you drink the honey with the nerve support, then you've, you know, you guzzle down the other drink. And, it it I don't like nasty taste and stuff, but, you know, I've done that that cleanse, two or three times. My wife has done it more than me, but we don't have pets anymore.
And, we don't have animals on the property. We used to have chickens and a couple of dogs and but we don't anymore. But I've done that cleanse twice since we didn't have the dogs, but, they say, you know, you can get parasites anywhere. If a dog licks you, you can get pay they could pass parasites through the skin from the tongue, you know, the saliva, whatever. But, I, you know, I might do that once a year now.
[02:57:22] Unknown:
So Do you do you do it, like, three days before the full moon and three days after the full moon, you yourself?
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No. I I know that that's recommended if you have a, you know, if you think you got a overload of parasites, but they, you know, it originally came out. It was called the full moon cleanse, and, you know, it it works that morning of the full moon. So and but you wanna treat your animals the same time you treat yourself, but, the president of that Good Herbs company inside Youngevity, he's a master herbalist since he was nine years old. He was being trained by his stepfather, and, he's in his forties now. And he's he's pretty sharp guy. And, he teaches that. He says you take that that, my buddy, he just did a consultation with my buddy in Texas, and he's got two big Dobermans.
And, he said you can give them that GI cleanse like a a a half a dropper is a milliliter. He said, you know, they eat out of the same bowl together when they eat their food every day. He says put two squirts of that like a, you know, half a mil two half milliliter dropper fulls, in their food. And, that'll keep them from getting parasites and, killing anything that's in them. And, you know, he wanted him to do that parasite cleanse because he's having some issues. And, him and his wife together both do it, you know, the morning of the full moon. And, you shouldn't have to worry about it. But if you got animals, you might have to do it quarterly once, you know, once, every, you know, four months.
And depending on your animals and how often they're outside. You know?
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Yeah. Do you know what the the
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the GI plan? You can you can look it up on that website. But if you take, you know, you could take your your own stool in a baggy to your veterinarian and tell them you got a new puppy and tell them to check check its poop. And, it's a whole lot cheaper than going to a MD or a lab, and they'll tell you exactly what's going on.
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Wow. Yep. So yeah. Do you know any ingredients in that GI plan that you mentioned? You know, I know wormwood is one of them,
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but I don't I don't remember what they all are. There's there's, five to seven, herbs in it. So if you go to Did you
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Go ahead. Do you think it do you think it has that, pasta pastaro sagrata?
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I don't know. I don't know, Joan. You gotta go look at it. You can look at Oh. You got my website, don't you?
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Oh, yeah. I tell can you you know what? Can you tell me again?
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Yeah. So it's dapple j, d a p l j, ranch dot Youngevity dot com.
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Thank you.
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You're welcome.
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I'm gonna repeat it. D a p P. L j it's devil. Oh, okay. Shoot. It's d as in d as in Dave. That's right. Got it. Apple, p as in p as in parasite, l as in love, j as in Joan, r as in I mean, and then ranch.
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Correct. Ranch. Ranch. Right.
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Dot.youngjeopardy.com.
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That's right.
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Okay, Dave. This is Brenda. I was trying to grab a pen to write down that,
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risk A full moon plan? Yeah. Yeah. So,
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yeah, tell tell me, is it a half ounce of the nerve support or what amount in the It is. Yeah. Each of the tinctures are four ounce bottles.
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Mhmm. So there's there's eight, you know, cleanses in each bottle. When you get the three, you get you'll get to do eight different cleanses. So, it's a half ounce of nerve support, it's called, in a quarter cup of honey. K. And then right after you drink that, you'll already have mixed up, four ounces of, organic grapefruit juice with a half ounce of the, GI cleanse, it's called. Can If you don't like the garlic, you know, you can either use a clove of garlic or, it's called respiratory support. They're all three good herbs products, and you mix that in the in the grapefruit juice. And at right after you drink the honey with the nerve support, then you drink down that, grapefruit juice mixture.
Okay. And you do it right when you wake up the morning of the full moon.
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K.
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And if you got it, you know, real bad, you know, they say you can do it three days before and three days after.
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Yes. Yeah. I've always heard that when we were doing ivermectin and stuff around the full moon like that. But then I've heard, you know, recently that ivermectin kills certain types of parasites, but it doesn't get all of them.
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Right. I don't think I think the there's there's most of these cleanses, you gotta take one for the eggs, one for the pupa, one for the larvae, and one for the live.
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Mhmm.
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And since this one, they say it it kills them all.
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Yeah. Because like just like Paul was saying and I've heard before too that, yeah, that's why you usually do it for a few days because you kill off the the adult ones, but then you need to kill out the hatchlings once Right. After that. Or the rest okay. So you're doing the nerve support and the GI cleanse and the respiratory support. Okay.
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And, again, if you if you can handle a clove of garlic in that drink, you know, you just do one clove of garlic and you don't do the respiratory support, Just the GI cleanse.
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Yeah. Okay.
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So and if anybody is interested, you know, our good herbs line, the it the you know, it's a company inside Youngevity. The the mother and the son, are you know, they run it and they're, you know, it's it's the mother's, husband. He passed. He was a stepdad to Brett. He he's the president of that company. He's a master herbalist, and he knows his stuff. He does a call every Thursday morning. And if you wanna get on it, it's a Zoom call from, ten to 11AM eastern, and you go to mytotalnutrition.com, and, you you register there. It's free. They got a lot of stuff on that website, and probably that full moon cleanse is probably there somewhere on that website. He also is, like an amateur chef, Brett, and he cooks with nutrition and without the bad foods.
And, he's got lots of recipes on that site and, you know, videos and some really good stuff. So check it out. And, that call, I try not to miss that call every Thursday morning, 10AM to 11AM. It's a Zoom call, and you can dial it up with a phone number or get on with the computer, and they actually he'll show a video most of the time, for about twenty five minutes, and then they do q and a afterwards. Doctor Glidden is a regular guest monthly. First Monday, first Thursday of every month. Doctor Lee Merritt, she's in Brett's downline, and, she comes on there periodically.
And, there's a couple MDs in there that are, you know, doing q and a with Brett, answering questions that he don't like to answer that are might be medical questions. And, it's packed full of information. It's really great. I I love it. Anyway, check it out.
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Yeah. It sounds good. I hope you had mentioned it to me once before, but I didn't get that site written down.
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Yeah. Mytotalnutrition.com.
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K. And then, k. Good. Yeah. That sounds good. Yeah. We've done some different cleanses, but, some of them can be really, really rough. So Yeah. And and I've just recently connected with a lady. She's in Arizona, but she's got a a frequency program deal that she can scan you and, it picks up on what all's going on in your body. And then she does corrections on you about three times a week and I've just started that with her yesterday. And, she's picked up and I've got several different parasites which I have, don't have any animals in the home. Hadn't had for many years.
But, she says, you know, that I've got enough going on that it's really sapping my energy. It really makes us sick in a lot of ways that we don't even realize. So, it does cost to do that scan with her but if anybody wants her number, I mean, she seems very, very into it and you know, into all this good frequency stuff. And, you send her samples of your hair and she puts that in the headphone and it's got all our DNA and everything in it to run that. So it's pretty amazing.
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Okay. Brenda, they're also in the food.
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Yeah. That's that's true. Because she said, you know, she's asking me, she said, you've got a pretty big case of, hookworms and stuff. And, you know, she said, have you Uh-huh. Animals and stuff? And I said, no. But, she said, well, you must have had them for a lot of years, and they've been growing bigger. I said, oh, great.
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Did she told hey, Brenda. Brenda, she told you that I find your from your hair clipping or just from talking to you over the phone? No. From scanning my hair clipping. She did a scan on me for about an hour.
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Hookworms and trichidiosis
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are from pork. That's what I was thinking too. Yeah. And I hadn't even had any pork lately, but, but I do eat it occasionally. So that's probably where also
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Somebody told me the other day that if you pour Coca Cola on a on a a piece of raw pork, the worms will come upwards. I've heard that. Yep.
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Yep.
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I I saw that in a video. Yeah. That came out.
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Mhmm. Creepy.
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Yeah.
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I know of a guy that put down a wall for it. If you put what on raw pork?
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A Coke.
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Alcatel. What what what BB?
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I know of a guy that died from I don't know which one of us, trichinosis or hookworm, but he had eaten some, I guess, uncooked or not cooked enough pork in Argentina. And that stuff got in his brain and tore him up.
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Yeah.
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Did he die? So Did he die? That's what I said.
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That's what I said. Thank you. Yes. Mhmm.
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Sorry.
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And and Parasites ain't no joke.
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That's true. And, we've all heard how most anybody they've done that's had MS, they show that those lesions on the brain are parasites. And so is a lot of cancers. You know, I think we've all heard that the last couple years.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. All these things that people are getting results from happen to be parasite killers. Defendazole. Mhmm. You know? The ivermectin. Mhmm. You have the MMS, the turpentine. They all kill parasites. And that's why doctor Daniels adds the three sugar cubes to the turpentine to attract the parasites.
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Oh,
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yeah. Like the honey. Mhmm. I guess. Yeah.
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Yeah. Because they like sugar. That's for sure.
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David, it's on. Just one more last question about the respiratory support. Dave?
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Day? Yeah, Day.
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Is the respiratory support a four ounce liquid also?
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It is. Yep. It's one of the good herbs tinctures. And if you got, you know, any respiratory issues, it's for that mainly, you know, like a cough, a nagging cough, or, you know, breathing issues. It it works. And see these good herbs tinctures, they don't need the gut to be healthy to absorb. They absorb without the gut and you could put them on your feet, and it absorbs through the skin, you know, you do a thirty second test if you you put it on and most of the time if you put it on your skin it'll soak right up. You do another dropper and it'll soak up and you keep doing that until you got about thirty seconds of dampness and your body's telling you got enough for now.
But they're pretty, pretty potent and I I've, you know, I've been around them for quite a while and a lot of people get a lot of really great results from them. So
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And the respiratory support, if if you take that instead of the garlic, you take one half ounce like the other two things?
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Correct. One half okay. Thank you. You mix that with you mix that with the, GI cleanse in the, organic grapefruit juice.
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Oh, yeah. Mix the respiratory support in with the grapefruit juice and yeah.
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GI. Right.
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And you drink that right after you drink the honey with the nerve support.
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Okeydoke.
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And the nerve support works, you know, in our body, you could put it up like people that have, have had shingles and they have nerve issues, you know, because of that. You can rub that right on the skin, put it on the skin around where you've had shingles and and it helps, the nerves, you know, rebuild, reconnect, whatever it does. But, yeah, it works.
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Alright. Okay.
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I'll mute now.
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Thank you. Bye.
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Another thing that's You're welcome to watch.
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Work for for snake bites is high voltage. So if you taser around the snake bite, it's supposed to oxidize the venom too. But in this case, where my yeah. High voltage. Some people have said that in in an emergency where they didn't have a taser, they they used a spark off of a small gas engine.
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With your fingers holding it with your hand.
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Well, no. They probably ran a wire off the spark plug to where they wanted to focus it, you know, and then pulled the engine over to get the spark.
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Okay.
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Somebody said that I thought it was Tom d, but I guess it's not. Somebody said this on RBN, and, I guess how they proved it is they they were down in Texas, and they they asked the EM the emergency medical goat dudes whether they heard about that or not. And they said, oh, yeah. We carry them all the time. We're not supposed to, he says, but they work.
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And what was the other things you were saying that helped? I was in the other room when you were saying that a while ago.
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Well, my my friend's dog just got bit, by a snake and, it was a rattlesnake. And, bit the dog in the lip, and she made up a I'm asking her what the concentration is because she was asking me about it. And I told her about that fifteen drop dose for a person for malaria. So she mixed up some MMS, put it, I think, in some water, and then the dog had been bitten in the lip. So she said she gently rubbed it in into the lip, and she said the swelling went down right away. And the dog was fine. She had the same thing happen in California. It was a 40 pound dog there and an 80 pound dog this time. But that dog, they took to the vet, and it cost them $2,200.
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Yeah. Wow.
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So did you think she rubbed the MMS after combining the two the activator and the chlorine dioxide and put it in water or just straight?
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I think she put it in water. Okay. But I'm asking. I'm I still don't have the whole story. This just happened. Yeah. So Yeah. But she said that the the yesterday, she said the dog was eating and drinking and didn't seem to have a problem. So
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Yeah. Oh, and then
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Her stupid husband gave it, some penicillin for the bite. And I said, what a moron. Now she's gonna have digestive problems.
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Yeah. But but you think she,
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put it, like I say, two or three drops in the dog's water too probably if they had the Yeah. She also got the dog drink to drink as much as possible. Because I told her that you wanna get it internally and on the wound Mhmm. To try to oxidize what's in the bloodstream as well as what's at the wound.
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Yeah.
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But I don't know how much what her what her what dose to use,
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so she's getting back to me on that. Yeah. Well, I know just starting out doing, chlorine dioxide and stuff, instructions we've got from someone else says to start with one drop a day and for two, three days, and then you go to two drops a day and maybe go up to three or four, but then that's about all you need,
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most people.
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Well, I I got Humble's book when he first put it out, and they were killing the malaria in Africa with the fifteen drop dose. Oh, okay. Yeah. But that That worked on ninety nine percent of the people. He said, a few needed a second dose, and that was it. And he got in a lot of trouble there with the authorities because they were making big money on selling the pharmaceutical crap that you have to take for the rest of your life. Yeah. And, this this cost him at the time something like a nickel or a dime a dose.
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Yeah. And knocked it right out. Yeah.
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Immediately. Yeah. There's several million people a a year die of malaria in the world.
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Mhmm. Yeah. That's pretty amazing.
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Yeah. We just I understand it's pretty painful because it it just clogs up your liver and your kidneys.
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Yeah. Comment on that.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. On that MMS, I'm I understand that, you gotta be careful with vitamin c because that'll
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Neutralize it. Yeah. Neutralize it. So if you take an overdose, that's that's the the way of neutralizing an overdose. Like, if you you took a fifteen drop dose and you've never done it before, you're gonna need to neutralize it.
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Right. That'll be the I've just noticed in the discussion that sometimes people aren't aware of that. I yield. Yeah. I take it every day.
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There's a protocol for that, but it's pretty light amount in a lot of water is what I understand, last I looked. And Paul, he's he's got this new thing where, I I I think if I understand him correctly, the hydrochloric acid in your stomach activated, aids it so you don't even need to use the, the citric acid or something like that to activate it because he's claiming that the the hydrochloric acid in your stomach activates it. So I don't know. I've never really looked into that. That was new to me. He said that a few months ago. Yeah.
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I, I have a problem adding acid to my system, because parasites love sweet and acidic environments. So why would I be giving them something that they would want unless, of course, you're causing them to come out? I don't know. I'm thinking, drops of MMS on a Tootsie Roll pop.
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Sweet. Or a caramel, if I may.
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Yeah. So
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doctor Wallach's research shows that the stomach is a bag of acid. And when the stomach acid is pristine, it protects the body from parasites, bacteria, pathogens, fungus. And, you know, if if viruses were real, they wouldn't get in the body if the stomach acid was pristine. And salt is an essential nutrient because it turns into hydrochloric acid in the stomach, and the stomach acid should be about 1.2 on that alkaline scale. You and anytime you, you know, alkalize the stomach, you shut off the stomach acid. You neutralize it. So, the, you know, the the all disease starts in the gut, and that's because we have weak or no stomach acid.
And when we boost that stomach acid, you know, with digestive enzymes and salt, you gotta salt your food to taste. There's never been one study to prove that salt causes high blood pressure or heart attacks or any of this crap these doctors are lying to their patients about. They want us off salt, so we're sick, and we keep coming back to them. So the remember, everything that comes out of the stomach, when the stomach acid is right, it comes out acid. And if it didn't if it stayed that way, you die as soon as it went into the small intestine. So the pancreas is making sodium bicarbonate while you're you know, when you start smelling food, when you start salivating, when you start chewing and predigesting, and and then, you know, you got that stomach acid boiling everything off and killing everything. And as soon as that valve opens up at the bottom of the stomach, the the the the pancreas has already flooded the small intestine with sodium bicarbonate, and it instantly neutralizes that that stomach acid to save us from, you know, being killed by our own body.
So, you know, their Doxas are seven buffering systems that, you know, keep the the body alkaline where it's supposed to be and acid where where it's supposed to be and, you know, nutrition is what keeps that, you know, pristine. So, that, you know, when when the stomach acid is weak, the stomach turns into a brewery and what grows in there, and I yield.
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Good information, Dave.
[03:26:21] Unknown:
Hey, Paul. Did you see doc Pete's back on the on the on the road again?
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Yeah. I saw that.
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So he's got a web is it a website? He sent something to my wife, but we never really got to explore it. But she said $55 a jar. It's the best batch he's ever had. Cool.
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Everything good.
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Yeah. I think, I think what he's doing is is he is, he's upping his game, and he's, offering discounts because he's between residences right now. Oh. And, he's trying to, generate as much fundage as possible. Mhmm.
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You know, I had him on a call quite a while back, and, there was a gal that lived right by, you know, where he lived. And she was gonna come and see him and pick up a couple of jars, and he stormed out of that call because somebody made a comment. I told him not to talk about the, you know, the Trump stuff, the the med beds and all that and and the currency and he got any, he yelled at me that this was a pre call, you know, so don't tell me what to say and I'm like look you're coming on board to talk about, you know, hemp and your paste and if you go there, you know, you may not get the response that you're looking for.
Well, he kind of cooled down and he said he wouldn't, well, he did. And somebody challenged him and he left and he he won't talk to me. He's talked to my wife, but he won't talk to me. I didn't do nothing. I didn't chase him away. But anyway, she, you know, she was gonna try and help him because I told her, you know, about his living situation and she's single and, you know, has, she lives in a trailer and she's got, you know, maybe a camper or another, you know, trailer on-site and she's got some cows and whatever, but it's not far from where he lives. And she was gonna try and help him, and she can't get ahold of him. Mhmm. So, anyway
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I'll call you. Can you get jars from him, Paul? Yeah. The morning jar and the app the evening jar? Yep. The night jar? Yep. You can? Yeah. Did you?
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Did I get some? Oh, yeah. Yeah? Yeah. I've I've I mean, within the last month or No. Not no. Not within the last month.
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Six months?
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Yeah. Probably. I think that was, like, the last batch I got. I don't use it that often, so I still have some.
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Alright.
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I wanted to get some. I wanted to get the morning one and the night one. And we were emailing each other, dot p and me. And then and he was sending me the information, and I was trying to send him the money, and then it just kinda evaporated the communication. So, anyway, that was that was back when, Dave had him on Keno's Mhmm. Class in Colorado back, however many months ago that was.
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Right.
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Anyway, I hope he's okay.
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Yeah. I think so.
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Back on that nutrition, do you know, doctor Zelenko has a product out that's fairly good I've used to take? Is anybody familiar with
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that? What's what's the name of it? Oh, dot
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z stack or something like that.
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You still have snow?
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No. I I used to take it, and I think it's still available.
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I didn't know about that. Did not know.
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I believe it's got ivermectin and hydrochloroquine and those type of things in it. Correct?
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Well, I know it's got d three, and I'll have to pull it up and
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Yeah. I was thinking so, Brenda. I was thinking that's what it's like a a a COVID preventative
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thing. That's what I had heard a while back.
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Yeah. Well, you know, they often
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It it just has the vitamins in it. It it's just a basically, an immune support. It doesn't have anything special in it.
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Oh, okay.
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It's a good dose of vitamins that a lot of people are low on. And basically, what he was doing was helping people's immune systems. But as far as having ivermectin or anything like that, and he didn't do that.
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Oh, okay. But like quercetin, I know, and stuff like that helps too. And I know some of them That's in there. Pretty sure that's in there. I think there's Kirsten's in there. Yeah. Yeah. And, all the in
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NIC Mhmm. Namathloidal,
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whatever, because that helps lungs and stuff, immunity.
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Yeah. Again, n a c just like a precursor for your body to have that ammo to build the the system out as well
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Mhmm.
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From what I understand.
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Yeah. I think so. Vitamin c and all that.
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What was that telling you all about? The NAC, it's good for what?
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It's a precursor to building things in the body. It helps the immune system in doing so. I forget what it was. It it's the precursor. Is it for, exactly, but that's what it's doing.
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Isn't that a nootropic?
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I don't know.
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Glutathione.
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Right. There you go. Yeah. Yeah. That's the.
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N a t is n acetylcysteine. I'd call it an old tropic. I don't think it's new.
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I couldn't. It's like, it's for something something. What is it? Glutathione. I went and looked at and it's doctor Zelenko's, and it is called z t z detox. So he is claiming that it helps clear out toxins that we're exposed to every day.
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Well, anytime you see the body nutrition, it's gonna help itself detox.
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A big one is that it's supposed to help your liver, but it has n a c. Zinc, E g c g b d three. I'm sorry. Vitamin d three and vitamin c. That's what it says is in there. And the NAC is a one that it says on here, aids and binding toxins and flushing them out through the liver. That EGCG, which I believe that is from green tea, but I'm not certain. But I'm pretty sure, and that also is a liver detox and defense against free radical.
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The best liver assist is, probably milk thistle.
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Yep. Milk thistle is good. Dandelion is good.
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I
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think milk thistle is better than dandelion, but dandelion would work too.
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Is anybody Another that that new product, is is called Sirona?
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No. I haven't. Another herb that I've heard that is very good for your liver, helping detox it is, cilantro. What's it called again, William?
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Sirona,like.org, I think. It's supposed to be a nano size glutathione. Relatively new within the last year or so. Can you spell it? Yeah. It's, s y r o n a dot org. They've got a it's set up through a PMA, actually. And I guess you get the the products are based on your membership. So you're just basically paying for the membership, and then the, products are shipped, you know, in that format. It looks pretty unique. I yield. I can find the button.
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Hey, Lisa. Did do you know if it's the NAC or the glutathione that is more of a liver support?
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No. Not really. Okay. Sorry. Here's one I was taking it for a while ago, Joan. Is it supposed to be good for your lungs? Help. It works as an expectorant, so it helps helps you cough that stuff up, thinning your mucus and stuff. When I was, I actually started doing it because I had gotten that cough for so long, and then then I quit smoking. So guess what helped more?
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Coughing smoking?
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I was coughing from smoking, you know, for for forty years. So so as far as helping get rid of the cough, it helped much more to quit smoking than than to take NAC.
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Good, Jeff.
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So so but you were just so you started that out one, one second ago by saying it's the NAC that's good for lung?
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Yes. It's good for respiratory conditions. It's it it the first thing it says on here is, you know, replenishing the glutathione, which is an our most powerful antioxidant, so all that cell damage stuff. And then it plays a big role in detoxification. Again, the big one for the detox is because it helps with your kidneys and liver.
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Alright. Doctor
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doctor Daniels used to say, in her practice, when all else failed, she went to the turpentine and always got a good result.
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Right.
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I've had really good results with it and, tenbendazole, those two.
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Did you say tenbendazole?
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Yeah.
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And did you take, like, a pea sized when you took it? So
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I took what Bill Tippen, used, which is the one gram per day thing.
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Okay. So did you just use did did you use the Panacur, or did you get Fenben?
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I used I usually used the Safeguard or Panacur.
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Paste.
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For the 10 pound dog, which is the one gram dose.
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No. No. That's not. That's the ivermectin is the horse paste, Joan. This is the dog. So it comes in little powder packets.
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It's like, Kool Aid, white Kool Aid. Because one gram per pack is what they for the tinier dogs, the 10 pound dog. That's what Phil Tippens took to reverse is what small small cell
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lung cancer Yeah. Actually, I I wanna say when he started doing that, he had it all through him at that point. But that's the I think it's two hundred and twenty two micrograms, I think, or else it's milligrams. And I don't remember if it's MCG or MG, but two hundred and twenty two, I remember that. Because if you buy that other one in bulk, it has a little scoop that comes with it. You get a little container of it. It has a little scoop, and the scoop is the $222.01
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gram. MCG. MCG is micrograms. Two hundred and twenty two milligrams is the Fenben dose, and you usually get it if you get it in the form of Panacur. Each dose is a thousand milligrams, which is two hundred and twenty two milligrams of Fenbenzole and eight hundred and eighty eight whatever, milligrams of inert ingredients.
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Fenben Labs says It's two hundred and twenty two milligrams per gram.
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Yeah. One or one thousand milligrams is one gram.
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Oh, so can you please help me with this? I have this tube of Panacur in my hand, which I have not used yet. And it says panic, and it's a paste. And it's a it says equine dewormer, and it says twenty five gram paste, 10%, and then it's in parentheses under under twenty five gram paste, 10%, it says in parentheses, one hundred grams mil one hundred milligrams slash gram. So is it safe to take that horse dewormer?
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What is that ivermectin? Go.
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Read that again. What's the active ingredient in it?
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Okay. But first of all, it says in big letters, Panacure, and then in little letters under in per in parenthesis, it says fenbendazole. And then to the side of that, it's a and it's by Merck. And then it says equine dewormer equine dewormer, twenty five gram paste, 10%. And then under that in parentheses, it says one hundred milligrams slash gram.
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Yeah. It's a dose big enough for a horse. Yeah. You gotta yeah. You gotta Well, that's what it's for. That is interesting. I never really heard of the the the fembendazole for horses, but sure enough, I'm a Panacure fembendazole ten percent horse paste.
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Okay. Yeah. Yeah. What you need to do is there's probably a plunger on it with, like, a little locking ring on it. And Yeah. Each one of those detents that you can set that locking ring to is going to be for every 50 pounds of body weight, and that you will get off the directions. The tractor supply ivermectin, equine paste is one click is for every 50 pounds of body weight. So three clicks three clicks would be for a hundred and fifty pound person. Two clicks would probably be for you.
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I'm about a hundred and ten. Yeah.
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Fucking wet. Right? Two Okay. Two
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two two clicks would be sufficient. You know? Closer I would rather do the 10 pounds under than 40 pounds over. Right.
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10 pounds under.
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So every one of these clicks is for 50 pounds. No. That that is for the ivermectin
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tractor supply equine paste. You've gotta look at the directions on that I don't for what the dose is.
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Yeah. I'd stick with the Panacur one pound or one gram Sax because even that, for a human consumption to do what you're trying to do is meant for a 10 pound dog. So if you're taking an equine one, you're gonna really be way overdosed. Dosed. And then I I wouldn't even play with it. I would I would just get the Panacur one gram. Well Or, John, just just look and see because I know I've had the ivermectin horse kind, and it has on there the
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you know, where if your dosage is small enough, but, like like, Paul was if it is every click for 50, and then like Samuel Sam, what you're using for the dog is for ten pounds, that's still a big dose.
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Yeah.
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Okay. So it's a twenty for ten pounds. We don't know if it is. We we don't know. No. I'm It's a 25
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pound package. It's a 25 or it's a twenty five gram package. That is twenty five thousand milligrams at ten percent. So the total panic urine in that will be twenty five thousand milligrams times ten percent or twenty five hundred milligrams. Would that be right? So it would be the whole the whole package, the whole tube would be twenty five hundred milligrams of fenbendazole. Now you only want two hundred and twenty two, so you take twenty five hundred milligrams of fenbendazole divided by two hundred and twenty two, and then that tells you how many doses you get in a whole tube. And then if it's got, like, the little plastic detent plunger, whatever, you just take the total number of clicks that you could possibly get from that tube and divide that, by two hundred and twenty two, maybe? No.
So twenty five thousand milligrams.
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The the ivermectin, which is normally for a horse, I the ones I've had of that, they don't have any stopper on them even because it's meant for a horse, and you're supposed to give the whole dose. Wow. And in in in the tip in scenario, you don't really ever hear him talk about body weight. So you could be a hundred pound person or a three hundred pound person. You're still taking that one gram daily.
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See the horse pace? It it goes by weight. All horses aren't the same weight. And, you know, little horses, big horses, medium horses, and I know I mean, the Amish. They use fenbendazole. I mean, the ivermectin horse pace in a plunger at 50 pound, you know, in intervals, and they do it per body weight. And none of them were ever none of the Amish that I knew know ever had COVID or, you know, whatever. And I know COVID is parasites from the shot. So whatever it
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is. But yeah. But but, Dave, then you still have to factor in the fact that when you're using the panic cure for what we're talking about for humans and and what Dippens did is you're using what is the equivalent for a 10 pound dog. Okay. So what she's got there is a master dose of of stuff that, I mean, she's probably got at least twenty five doses in that syringe.
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Now stick Correct. Ivermectin, Joan. Why are you wanting to take this big dose of the fenbendazole?
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Well, Tiffin, from from that little bit I gathered from when he was, I think called played a video or audio or something of him, what, three months ago or what whenever. And, he said fenbendazole was the best. And then he said, well, oh, but if you if you only have ivermectin, you you can use ivermectin. It's okay. But he he I gathered from what he said, then then fenbendazole was the best thing for people.
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But when you're fighting cancer.
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For what? For when you're fighting cancer. But I don't I'm not Yeah. And he recommended taking,
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the ten ten pound dog doses, which is the one gram.
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Oh. Okay. That that twenty five gram, tube that twenty five gram two gram tube of fenpendosol that you have has eleven two hundred and twenty two milligram doses in it.
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Yeah. Ten percent. That's that's the thing I didn't factor in because the the other stuff is twenty two.
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Right. So it's eleven doses in that tube.
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For a person?
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Yeah.
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Oh, okay. So if I wanted to, I could take one if it had okay. So when it says Eleven doses per hundred pounds, Paul?
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No. It's eleven doses for two hundred and twenty two milligrams. And now we're going right back to the Tippens protocol. Tippens doesn't, mention a different milligram weight based on human body weight. You know? It's his is two hundred and twenty two. His is yep. I gotcha. Two hundred and twenty two milligrams for everything. So how I got that was it's twenty five grams, which is twenty five thousand milligrams times ten percent is twenty five hundred milligrams of fenbendazole, and I've divided that by two hundred and twenty two milligrams for each dose, and that was eleven point two six one two six one two six one two six one two six one two six one two six, doses in that tube.
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And if I may, this this Chipins guy was fighting cancer. Right? Yeah. And I know, Merritt says doctor Lee Merritt says all all cancer is parasites, but, you know, I don't know if everybody has they're fighting cancer when they have parasites. And, you know, that dose for him for whatever he was battling might have been that, but it it might be different for somebody that's just fighting parasites. No. What they're doing is they're Don't get What they're doing is they're fighting the cancer treatment
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because you can because if you have a parasitic load, your body will show the same enzymes when it's dealing with a parasitic load as a cancer load, as a tumor load. So what they do is they start treating you for the cancer that you may or may not have. They destroy your immune system. They may kill some of the parasites because they're literally putting Drano in your veins. Right. And then when all they needed to do was probably treat with fenbendazole or some anti parasitic and let your body recover from it because you haven't destroyed the immune system. That's the problem with chemotherapy.
It kills the parasites Everything. It but it also kills your immune system. So when the parasites come back, and they will, you have nothing left to fight them with.
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Right. You know, some of the stuff that I have looked at a lot recently with the foben fenbendazole and the menbendazole for brain cancer, the studies that they have done on that and, of course, they're not all anti modern medicine. So based on receiving chemotherapy, there's really only one or two drugs that they use that they find effective, And they recommend that Menben first, Fenben is equally as good, but those are very effective in crossing the blood brain barrier and helping the other chemotherapy drugs be able to cross the blood brain barrier
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to try to kill those tumors. Right. Now is it helping the other chemotherapy drugs to cross the blood brain barrier and helping the chemotherapy drug kill the cancer, or is the minben and phenben killing the cancer and their $10,000 a dose pharmaceutical is getting the credit for it?
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I don't I really don't know, and I don't know if they would really be able to differentiate that. The only way you would really know that is if they would actually do the study of, you know, this person's only getting chemo. This person's getting chemo, you know, the traditional chemo, getting the traditional chemo and the Mebend or Fenben. And then this person's only getting the Mebend. You know? That that's and they're never gonna do those at the way the system is set up now unless there's those drastic changes. That would be great.
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My my experience with it was, I was suffering dizziness or what people would call vertigo, like vertigo. When I get up in the morning, I'd sit up in bed and the whole room would be spinning around me. So I started taking the fenbendazole and it all went away.
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After how many days?
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You know, it's it's hard to recall. It's about a year or two ago now, and I would guess I saw improvement right away. And in a few days it was completely gone, and then I kept taking the dose for, probably a month and a half. And then I took a break, and then I came back and took some more. And I do it every once in a while now. I do a dose of probably around twenty seven, thirty days every so often.
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Okay. So Paul and y'all please, are you saying I just canicure, fenbendazole, is okay for me to take, one little pea size or or or what? Because my head is just kinda spinning from the twenty five gram, twenty five thousand milligram.
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Here's one for you, Joan.
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Twenty two
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here's here's a here's a thought for dosing. So Paul said that should be eleven doses. Yeah. So you you see your little syringe? Yeah. And it and it has little teeth on it. How many of those how many of those are on there?
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Well, they go down into the syringe, but the ones that I can count are one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine in notches, and then it goes way down on in there or as far as I can see. So maybe it has 11 or more notches?
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Well, I'll see if it would have 11 notches. That would be a notch per dose.
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Yeah. So so so so I think Paul and y'all have said or mathematically decided or determined that one notch is okay for people to take?
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I I'm not comfortable I'm not comfortable with that. And the Paul, am I correct in that? That would be right. Right? If there's eleven notches, that would be the proper dose each notch. Right?
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Yes. For a people.
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Yes.
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Yes. He's saying yes. Yes.
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Okay. Wow.
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I'm trying to coax my air conditioner into working because studio c is overheating.
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Alright.
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What you got, Pauline? About that. Mhmm. Yeah. I've got yep. Those in front of me, and I just counted 25 notches on the, syringe.
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On fenbendazole?
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No. It's the, horse paste.
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She has horse paste fenbendazole. You're talking ivermectin, aren't you?
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Lisa, Lee doctor Lee Mary, Mary is her name? The one that talk about the cancer, in, Right. Yeah. I've listened to her. Yeah. Yes. I hear. Okay. But she was saying, she was saying that she do every day fifteen drops of, the other stuff that Paul was talking about. The he say not to do it every day. MSM? She say uh-huh. She do every day fifteen. And she knows people that for cancer do up to twenty four, but she just recommend eight. And if you're gonna start, just start with one drop or half a drop if you cannot handle one.
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What what are you talking about?
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The MMS.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. She was saying that she knows people, for cancer, do twenty four drops every day.
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Wow. Whoo. That's a lot. Reminder. She said conference room can Are they are those people feeling okay?
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Yes. Yes. Yes. They heal. She said they heal. They used to have brain cancer.
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Oh.
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Oh, you they use that for brain cancer.
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Yes. Yes. Oh, that's interesting. What she was saying. You know? And she said that she do a lot of biopsy, to the people that die from cancer and stuff. And, she been found in the doctors see the problem, but they don't, like, point to it. You know? She asked them why is that moving in the blood or in the piece of biopsy that she did, and they said, oh, that's normal. That's an, bacteria or whatever. They never say it's parasites or nothing. And she put it under the microscope, and she saw parasites.
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Sorry. Are you referring to doctor Lee Merrick?
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Yes. Yes. Yes. Her. Yes. Yes. Okay. Okay.
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Joe Tippens, as far as I know, had four different cancers. He had small small cell, in the lung. He had brain cancer, liver and colon at the same time, and they were all at basically started. They were all at basically stage four. By the time the doctor sent him home to get his affairs in order, that's when he started the fenbendazole and vitamin protocol.
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And But is that the one that People Boys talk about, Paul? The one the, the guy from People Boys always talking about? That he put the ad about him? That he do use, dog medicine?
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I don't know. Yes. Did he? Yes. I'm pretty sure. Yes. That's the one. Yeah. His first diagnosis, Paul, wasn't it just the lung cancer and then it metastasized and spread to everywhere else? Yeah. It metastasized
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because the doctors went in and messed with it and destroyed his immune system.
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Yeah. He had radiation till they burn up his esophagus. I remember hearing him say.
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You know, that's one of the things too, again, upon looking at the brain cancer stuff. Most of the well, you know, most other cancers when they metastasize from traditional treatment and they spread, and it seems like one of the last places it spreads is to the brain
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Yeah.
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Where when your original diagnosis is brain cancer, and it does grow, but a huge majority of the time, that cancer never spreads to other parts of the body.
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Because because it's very difficult to cross the blood brain barrier. Very difficult. And you have to have a serious cancer load in your body to be able to get it to metastasize and spread to the to the brain. Brain, it's typically like a smaller organ, and even if, it's loaded with cancer, there is not really a a circulation between your, your, brain fluid or your brain and the rest of your body. It's much more difficult to pass the blood brain barrier the other direction, far as I know. But,
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I just thought that, I don't know, whatever you wanna call it, kinda curious that most other cancers when you know, it they they spread to other organs where
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brain cancer generally does not. Yeah. Well, the main thing that causes metastasization of cancers in the body is doctors going in doing biopsies and cutting into the protective white blood cell sac that the body has built around,
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the abnormal cell or the cancer. But that's where most brain cancers, they do that also. They have to pay the patients have brain surgery to try to get the tumors out.
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Mhmm.
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So which is a key I don't know. Like, spreading the blood brain barrier the other way. I don't I don't know. Like I say, just kind of a curious thing.
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Yeah. Well,
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And and how often does their crap work? It doesn't.
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Five percent of the time. It's cancer diagnosis
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We all know. People are gonna do what they're gonna do, and they're very indoctrinated to believe the doctors and go do do what they're told. So so
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Cancer diagnosis is are, flawed forty three percent of the time. Chemotherapy is successful by three percent of the time and the destruction of an entire family's net wealth after a cancer diagnosis one hundred percent of the time. And if you think if you think for one fast second that you're gonna follow what the doctors in the white coats say, you're gonna give them a shot at beating the cancer, and if that doesn't work, you'll try the natural method. You got that shit backwards because the doctor's gonna destroy the only immune system your body has, the only method your body has to fight that cancer.
You want you wanna go with something? Go natural first. If natural fails, then go to the damn doctor because you got no hope after that because the doctor could give you Paul.
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What? Unfortunately, I unfortunately, I would agree with you most of the time, But when you're dealing with these glioblastomas, if you get diagnosed and you do nothing, you have about two months.
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Well Yeah. But, Lisa, but you you take the doctor advice or you take, not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to
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not
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Antiparasitics, MMS, and a raw food diet for ninety days. I don't care what cancer it is. You will kick it in the ass. It may not be totally gone, but it'll be going backward instead of advancing and taking your life.
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I know. I just wish, you know, do the do their treatment do their treatment and do the Fenbendazole with it and and
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and I I I don't know. It's so it's such an aggressive type of cancer, so I I don't know. Well, their treatment is going to destroy the immune system. Sorry, Samuel. Hang on one second. Their treatment's gonna destroy the immune system, and that's the only thing you've got to fight it.
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You gotta start first Another thing that Go ahead, Samuel. I'm sorry. Another thing that that makes the blood brain barrier, less effective is inflammation. So if you've got a parasite inflaming the tissues or any other thing, inflaming things, you're gonna wanna take something that also cuts down on inflammation. And one of those things that I use because it's so effective in that regard for, like, pain and stuff like that, so you'd say wake up with a sore back. Seropeptase are great for that.
[04:10:09] Unknown:
Yep. Well, like I said before, this program is not intended to treat, diagnose, prevent, or cure any disease, and it should not be accepted as medical advice. Take the advice of a medical professional before acting on any information presented here. Go FDA, ADA. Go screw yourself.
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Come on, Paul. I gotta get I don't I was gonna make you my head off, Rachel. That's her, man. You tell me it's not a a device. Oh, man. Yeah. Just let him try and come after me.
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The national bitches.
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They won't sick.
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And and all these vaccinations that they're giving, they're they're to irritate the body. So that's right there, that's inflammation. Right? Absolutely. Well, that's where, like, you guys in your you know,
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I I'm dealing with this situation with the family member that, they're just gonna do the traditional and traditional medical treatment. Hope she does okay for however long. She's fully vaxxed and boosted. Not good. Doesn't wanna run around chasing the next best crazy cure. Just gonna try to enjoy what time she has left, which is a very short diagnosis.
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Glutathione. Yeah. I have a She needs glutathione overload.
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I have a dead friend who was he had lung cancer from smoking, and, he kept going for the chemotherapy, and I kept trying to get him to do go alternative. And he says, I don't have any time for that. I'm too busy. You know, he's not around anymore.
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Glutathat glutathatamides. Time.
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Yeah. People are gonna make their own decisions and
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Somewhere people that don't smoke ever touch a cigarette, die for lung cancer. You know? You can say because he was smoking, he got lung cancer. Maybe he got parasite, and they need that knocked his ass because the doctor don't heal you. He just control your your, you know, control your
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you have the and you have the other side of that, boy. You have people that have smoked from the time they're a teenager and love to be up in the nineties.
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And Yeah. And they never got cancer.
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I I just I know.
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Well, the other thing is whatever you believe will kill you.
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Sure. He's not gonna tell you. You got three months. You go home, mister. He believed he had lung cancer because he smoked.
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Just read a good thing on placebo effect, and you can see why people do themselves in.
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Well, you know, I watched a Jack Cruz video not that long ago, and, you know, he's all big on the outside, natural sun, dah dah dah. But in that video, it was mentioned about smoking. He's like, well, just make sure you go outside when you smoke. Don't smoke inside. Smoke outside. Well, Russ has an uncle that's gonna be 90 years old. He has lived in Arizona since he was quite young. He has smoked, I believe, since he was a teenager, and he's always, always smoked outside.
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Pure tobacco doesn't have those 3,000 other chemicals that they put in what most smokes are made of.
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I know. I think he just smokes regular, you know, store bought, I'm gonna call it. I'm pretty sure. So I I don't know. Like, like, you just don't know.
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Our body's loaded loaded with nicotine receptors. It was meant to be. It it's not the nicotine. It's it's all the other crap that they put in there that's deadly.
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The stuff that they put chemicals in there so that it's addictive just like they do at the big burger joints. They put chemicals in there. And I even say, you know, the papers. There's all those chemicals in the paper processing. The filters are bad, and they put all those stuff in the tobacco itself as well. But some people can do it their whole lives and still not get cancer for some reason, and others do. I I I don't I don't understand that. Never never have, never will, I guess. Other than for some reason, you're immune. Smoke. What?
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Lisa, like I told, yesterday, you know, my grandma until she was 90, whatever, 91, she smoked every day tobacco, pure tobacco, no cigarettes, and she was in perfect condition. I wanna make a little story so you can see my father died in the early two thousands. And, I'm gonna try to make it short, that he got cancer, and they, recommended, a gentleman called Wolf and, and that he was an expert in cancer and all this doctor. And, so he went in to the hospital they told him to go to, and and he asked for the gentleman. And they told him, oh, yes. That's he's over there.
It's a long story, but within six month, he, he basically went backwards, all type of chemotherapy and everything you can imagine. He was a very strong, much bigger man, strong man, big hands, and it's he's sort of like a mountain mountain man working the farm and all this. And, but we found out my stepmom, they told him, you know, he's not gonna make it out of this, within a week or two week. You need to sign these papers for the hospice. She wouldn't die. But I was sort of in the medical field. I was sort of learning, understanding something's wrong. A lot of family member who are dying every time they go to the hospital and so on.
So, I investigated and what was going on, why this happened, all these things. And, I and she looks at me, young, and I said, I wouldn't sign. And he was basically, I have no hope, no nothing. But I would sign because I found out the doctor he was looking for had the same name as this doctor, Wolf. And he's the one that was pulling everybody out of hospitals and, and going against. And this guy, the other one was his rivalry, and there were, the other one was the one that my father was looking was the old school, and this was the new school, I guess. So I went to that doctor, and he says, you know, what is killing him is not the cancer. He might die from the cancer, but all the medicine, all the medical, all the treatment, he said, you need to take him out of there and bring him to me. So I went, and I took him out of the hospital. Nobody helped me.
They all they all look at all the doctors, everything. They made me sign papers to take him out. On my responsibility, they did not send because he was basically date dead weight. And, nobody sent a wheelchair out to carry and look for the wheelchair all the way. You know, when you get there, they bring you a wheelchair. They're all very hospitable Disney World type hospitality. This was the worst nightmare. And I put him in the car, all like a zombie. And I took him to the doctors, and he said, why do you bring him here? You told me to bring a guy. I was kidding. No. Now you need to take him to your house. I can't do nothing for him now because he needs he's intoxicated with that medical thing, and it'll probably take three days to seven days. What? What do you mean take him to the I don't know what to do. So I took him. And guess what?
He lasted another two years and a half when we pulled them from all of us, and they were gonna make my stem cello sign the hospice. He lasted. He drove again. He walk again, and, he was not really technically not being treated alternatively for the for the cancer, so it did spread. But he lasted two years and a half more even though they were gonna kill him and make my stepmother sign hospice. I don't know if that helps, but, I don't like those hospital. I don't like those doctors. That's my 2¢.
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Well, we know the doctors hear you. They know they know how to hear you for sure.
[04:19:26] Unknown:
Hey, Paul. Why do why do y'all think some women survive chemotherapy and don't ever get sick again.
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I have no idea. Sometimes they're being treated by other other alternative, and they they think it was a chemotherapy, but the other term is really the one that helps them.
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Okay.
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And since I'm done medicine, some of these doctors know that the rule of all evil, the love of money, you know, the greed. Nobody nobody, not like Lark from Texas. He says everybody's in the record tier business. No. Most of these people will not fight against their own pocket. So doctors, sometime, we have them with the highest esteemed, the highest societies. But, it's it's it's a shame what they're doing.
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Hey. This is, Ed from Michigan. Anybody out there yet?
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Yeah. There's there's 18 of us still here. Oh, okay.
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Got a question for the group. I'm hoping somebody can remember where this is. I I have seen it before, and Rogers talked about it a number of times, where it says in some kind of a state department document, you know, that our, you know, rules of citizenship are very complicated. And I was looking around for that, you know, started at travel.us.gov or whatever or travel.state.gov. And I'm digging around and I can't seem to find that. And I, you know, I thought it was on a, like a, you know, an application for a passport, but I don't see it there.
Does anybody remember where that, stuff about how complicated the citizenship rules are for The United
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States. I think it might have been at a court court case, citing a court case, but I'm not I'm really not sure. But I do know I know, yep, that that has been referenced. Right. Don't don't know if any anybody else chime in.
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Yeah. I've heard him say it a number of times, and I'm at a brick wall. I don't know where it's at. Right.
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Okay.
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I would think it's probably in these travel.state.gov.
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Right. What are you looking for?
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It's, some somewhere in the in in some government document, it it talks about how complicated the rules of citizenship are for The United States. You know, I and and I thought it was in that, you know, citizenship or, oh, shoot. You know, where you you get a a document that says you're, you know, a non, citizen national. Yeah. That's Certificate of non it's a national. I thought it was in that part.
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No. No. It's it that's the travel.state.gov document. It's not there. The one that says that the, the rules for citizenship or status or whatever are complicated, that, I believe, was an opinion in a court case, and Roger would probably be able to pull it out. Okay. The the one on the the, the, travel.state.gov is the certificate of non citizen citizen nationality that says because Right. The cost of paper and printing and labor is so high, we are no longer issuing certificates of noncitizen nationality. Please Right. Consider filling out a passport application and getting a passport from the secretary of state.
Yep. So that sounds definite it sounds like it's definitely not what you're looking for, and I think it was a court case. And it is one that was pretty common. You know, we only talk about a few court cases that have to do with the fourteenth amendment.
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Yep.
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Maybe, maybe it was was it the case where it said that?
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No. That was,
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dealing with a tax.
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Okay. Great. Well, I I know that Roger would be able to pull it out right away, so I would take it on the show tomorrow and, ask him about it.
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Yeah. Okay. I do, I do that, something versus Rust. Yeah? That'd be closer with what he's looking for. Yeah.
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Okay.
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What court case said the rules for US citizenship are complex and hard to understand?
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I can't think of it right now. I got Wong Kim Arc. Yep. Yep.
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Wong Kim Arc is relevant. Quick search. Interpretation of the citizenship clause, the case centered on the inter inter interprofation of the fourteenth amendment citizenship clause, specifically the phrase subject to the jurisdiction thereof. The Supreme Court's ruling which affirmed the birth rate citizenship for children born in The US to noncitizen parents, excluding those specifically exempted, involved delving into nuances of common law and legal definitions of jurisdiction. This process itself demonstrates the intricate nature of citizenship law. That is Wong Kim Ark.
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My little search search. My little search summary says United States versus Wong Kim Ark demonstrates the complexities of citizenship law through its interpretation of the fourteenth amendment and its lasting impact on the principle of birthright citizenship in The United States. So I would say it's that.
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Yep. Wong Kim Ark. That's that's what AI came up with.
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Yep. Same here. Paul.
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Afroian v Rusk. They can't just arbitrarily yank it from you.
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Right. Ephraim.
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Okay. Ephraim. Okay. Ephraim
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v Rusk.
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Yeah. Yeah. I, yeah, I was digging into this a little bit. You know, the, the US code, when you go to to the the the link there and you get into the US code, you can you can't I can't seem to print more than one page at a time. It's kinda frustrating, and I'm it might be my computer. I don't know. But, yeah, that was it's definitely in there. I was able to get in there and look up that, you know, noncitizen national, you know, a 21 or whatever that that one that's in that certificate of noncitizen nationality. Mhmm.
So I just like looking at the, you know, the the real basic code and make sure that everything is where they say it is or whatever. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.
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Get you. I get you. And that's and that's what it's in, the code.
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The bottom line in all that is it's the the fourteenth amendment that made it complicated.
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Right.
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Before that, you were just a state citizen.
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Right.
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Right. And now we got American Samoa to cover it up. You know? Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. It's pretty amazing. So I've been I've been at this, three years roughly. Yeah. Started in '22. So, you know, I don't speak up a lot because I'm I'm a mechanic and I'm, you know, constantly under pressure to get something done at work. And but I got a little break here, and I heard you guys are still on. So
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. I found I found a kind of interesting interesting thing here. It's talking about some different, Supreme Court decisions concerning citizenship, and, I don't know, in some cases like this, Murray versus Charming Betsy in eighteen o four, Iglis, and it is from fam.state.gov. Mhmm. So isn't that that foreign affairs manual? Yep. That's what that is. Oh, okay. Do you have access to the chat?
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No. I don't.
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Uh-huh.
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Yeah. I'm just, I'm on a phone line. Yeah.
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Okay. Well
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Well, I just put in the chat this thing that I'm looking at because
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it could be kind of interesting. Well, 95% of the time, I'm on my phone, but I got the app on it.
[04:31:10] Unknown:
Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. This is a this is a landline.
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Uh-huh. Okay.
[04:31:22] Unknown:
Yeah. Sorry to be so backward. I just I just don't, I don't like signing any contracts anymore. Right. And every time you go on one of these things, it's like, oh, here, sign this. Sign this. Sign that. You know? And it's like, I don't know. You know? I just kinda started backing away from all that after a while. Yeah. And, so it makes my life a little more complicated. But yeah.
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Here's a fun one that we never hear discussed, and and it is that Inglis versus trustees of sailors snug harp harbor. And it's from 1830, and it's about a question of a man born in The United States in 1776, was a US citizen and therefore able to inherit rural property. In doing so, the court resolved complicated questions of how citizenship had been acquired during the revolutionary war. The court found that those present on US soil at the declaration of independence or born there thereafter was presumed to be a citizen, but the presumption of citizenship was rebutted upon the showing of intent to remain a British British subject.
Isn't that interesting?
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Yeah. Very
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Yeah. Boy, I'm sure glad I haven't taken the radio station down yet. All this good stuff we're coming up with.
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Oh, well, Yeti was talking about the past week, about, Alexander Hamilton going against, Gallatin of, Pennsylvania in that he hadn't been in the country long enough, and he should be expelled from Congress. And Hamilton had the same such a damnation. They were both the same age.
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The same age. Talking smack. Uh-huh. Well, shoot.
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Yeah. Just because he had his hose up jaw for half the half time.
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Mhmm. He was president.
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Yep. And
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So Henry Kissinger of his time.
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Yep. My first Jewish president. Paul, you know he was a tribe member. Right? Yeah. It it turns out the Jewish magazines are coming out that, oh, his mother's buried in a Jewish cemetery, and he's one of ours.
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Yeah. It's pretty screwed up.
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Yep. There's always one in the ointment, and they were more prevalent here than we're taught. Mhmm. I mean, it was scads of
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them. But wasn't it at some point before that in the six in the sixteen hundreds or something like that? Weren't they trying to make some law or something to not allow them?
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I think so. And, if you look in that, we thought they were white, and we talk about that stuff. And they were, like, up to 17%.
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That's why we got freedom of religion instead of freedom of Christian religions.
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Mhmm.
[04:35:38] Unknown:
I think that's freedom of religion. They'll allow you to join any legion you want.
[04:35:45] Unknown:
No. You're going in, Chris Cave's territory. He talked about that.
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Yep. Well, the only thing I know, my karma ran all over their dogma. Run him down. It wasn't that funny, Brent.
[04:36:17] Unknown:
It really was, Paul. It is a good one. That's a good one.
[04:36:28] Unknown:
Well, thank you, guys. I I I appreciate.
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So it's almost as good as my tinfoil hats better than a blindfold.
[04:36:39] Unknown:
Yeah. No. No. That's amazing. Well, let's see. Is there are a couple of words of wisdom, you know? Like, for instance, I found that if you tuck one part of your pant legs into your sock, people tend to expect less from you. I'm just saying. Apparently, putting Alka cell Alka Seltzer in my mouth and walking into a Walmart shouting the virus is mutated is not mutated is not terribly funny. I am no longer allowed to go caroling at the, psychiatric hospital because I guess, do you hear what I hear was a bad song choice? There's, the autopsy club meeting, every Saturday, this Saturday, opening mic night.
You know, m I k e. Apparently, stress balls are not supposed to be thrown at the people that are stressing you out. And I'm just saying. Who knew?
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Go figure. They're not? I thought that's what they were for.
[04:38:03] Unknown:
I thought so. I mean, I would you know, stress balls. Forget the stress balls. I'm talking about those, like, solid rubber handballs. Yeah. Those those would work. You know, that that's a tennis ball with attitude.
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Stress. The stressor.
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Mhmm.
[04:38:22] Unknown:
Speaking of stress, I do believe my air conditioner is down for the count. I'm gonna have to take it out of the window, take it apart, gonna have to clean it thoroughly so k. It doesn't freeze up, and I'm gonna have to figure out some way to check the Freon level in it because it ain't working. Impressor runs for about five minutes, and then it stalls. And it just sits there looking stupid. Oh, I think I'm gonna have to replace it. Filter? Oh, yeah. It has a filter. I've taken it out numerous times and cleaned it. The next option would be duct temperature, are you getting fall?
Yeah.
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When it blows when it blows, does it blow cold? It blows about 75 degrees
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out the front of it. Oh, okay. Yeah. It's
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but when it is running, it's not blowing real good.
[04:39:21] Unknown:
No. It's not. It it blows 75 degrees for, around five to ten minutes, and then the compressor stalls.
[04:39:30] Unknown:
Okay. So Well, it might be low on refrigerant then. Yeah. It's either low on refrigerant or it's,
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full. But it's it's, like, only a $150 LG air conditioner. You know, a little 5,000 watt or 5,000 BTU window unit. Mhmm. So Yep. And I don't think it's going to be terribly serviceable. Might just have to get a different one.
[04:40:00] Unknown:
Right. I don't know. Yeah. I I know I know about car AC. You know, you really should probably have about, you know, fifty fifty to 60 degree duct temperature if stuff's working properly.
[04:40:12] Unknown:
Right. Yeah. Oh, it's nowhere near that. Than that. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it's nowhere near that. There is a, Keystone 6,000 BTU window unit on Amazon for a $189. It's got, 4.2 out of five stars with 20 ratings. Seems to be pretty, pretty decent. There's there's three options, LG, Keystone, and Frigidaire. The, LG is, like, a 169, for a 5,000 BTU. The Frigidaire is a 169 for a used 6,000 BTU, and the Keystone is a 189 for a 6,000 BTU brand new. So I don't know where to go. Can't do anything until payday anyways. But I know studio c is, overheating.
It is not happy.
[04:41:28] Unknown:
The I always look at the reviews, Paul. They can always tell you a lot.
[04:41:33] Unknown:
Yeah. That's what I'm looking at. There's a Safra 8,000 BTU, for a 159, and it's got, 4.4 stars with with nine reviews. Safra really, really sounds like like a Chinese brand or something, but it doesn't have any of the goodies. It does have a remote control.
[04:42:01] Unknown:
I'll always read the negative reviews and Yeah. See how bad they are and unrealistic, and then I'll go to the good ones.
[04:42:10] Unknown:
Yeah. I start with the, negatives. There are there are no reviews at one star. There is 16% of the reviews were two star, 15% were four star, and 69% were five star. So, it doesn't cool a small room. That's talking about the 5,000 BTU. Excellent for small to medium roll rooms. Few more reviews. Okay. Is good. It works great. Cools the room quite well. Five stars keeps the room nice and cool. Blue Stars doesn't cool a small room. That was the 5,000 BTU unit. Excellent for small to medium sized rooms. That was four stars. Solid pulling power without the noise. That was five stars.
Yeah. Seems the 8,000 BTU unit got five stars. The, 5,000 BTU got two stars. So maybe the, 8,000 BTU is the winner. How many do they have in stock? It doesn't say that there's any limitation on the stock, so I'll add that one to my shopping list. Keep looking. Oh, this item is already in shopping list, so we moved it to the top. Good. Oh, that's an 8,000 BTU for a $159.99. Holy crap. What other available options? Oh, the 10,000 BTU is 339. We're not doing that anytime soon. Yeah. It looks like the 5,000 the the, 8,000 BTU for, $159 is the deal.
When you have computers in a room, you have to take the square feet and divide by point two five or divide by point seven five, and that gives you the actual BTUs that you'll need for the room. Being a studio c has dual CPU fans in 12 course, it's it's a very, very it works better than a infrared heater sitting over there in a room. Yep. Pretty much made my decision. Soon as payday happens, that guy is on its way. So I get to wait another month or two for new tires for the car. For the tires for the car. New used tires, anyway. Alright. Well, it looks like we're pretty much done. So I'm gonna take the, I'm gonna take the radio station down.
I, let's see. Who did I just mute? Who was that? That was Gary. Hang on just a second, Gary. Let me take the, let me take the radio station down. This has been the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales on radio.globalvoiceradio.net and eurofolkradio.com. Got you here Monday through Saturday, 11AM to 1PM eastern. For more information on the topics discussed, please go to the matrixdocs.com. That is the matrix,d0cs,.com. You can find information for, new students, the new student section, downloadables. You can actually get a copy of Roger's book, From Sovereign to Surf, in electronic form, and you can download it immediately and get to reading. Thank you so much for being with us. We'll catch you tomorrow for the Wednesday edition on radio.globalvoiceradio.net and eurofolkradio.com.
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Well, good morning, mister Alvin Lee. So would we. We're gonna try again here on Tuesday, June, just about to tick over into the July month here in another week or so. Roger Sales, your host at the Radio Ranch. Welcome wherever, whoever you may be even if you're some of our listeners with really big noses and really small hats. I hope you're listening. I really do. At this point, we, always bring on mister Beaner, mister Paul, our assistant here. Actually, a guy that runs the whole thing if you wanna be truthful about it. And, he identifies, and we want to all collectively give proper credit to the folks that help us extend our reach. Paul, here you go.
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Still a light compliment this morning. We're on eurofolkradio.com. Thanks to pastor Eli James. We're on radio.globalvoiceradio.net. Links for Eurofolk and Global Voice are on our website, thematrixox,d0cs,.com. And you will also find the links to free conference call. Join us live on the show. We got room for about a thousand of you, and we've got a few thousand more. Space is open, ready to be, brought into the mix.
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We're waiting for you. Now is, Allen still embroiled in this, controversy?
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Yep. Still embroiled.
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Boy, is that a lot of fun or what?
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Yes. Quite. We've got somebody on unit, and we've got a whole bunch of background noise. Sounds like a Nice. Morning, Joe. That's you. Here, I'll take care of it.
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Alright. Morning, Joe. There we go. Righty else. Here we go. I'm I'm in a quandary a little bit this morning on, you know,
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on I actually feel pretty good.
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Well, I do too, and we can discuss it. We'll discuss it. Let's just check before we start and plunge into that. Are there any new folks on right here at the start of the program that have a question or a comment or wanna say hi or all that other stuff we'd, love to entertain before we get embroiled in some kind of intense conversation as we go forward. We, excuse me, wanted to give you a chance to, put your hand up and say hi. And you've got a question, a concern, a comment, we wanna hear it. So any of you new folks out there wanna do that, we'll take a second here. Hit, star six, unmute, and say, hi, Roger.
Okay. Well, it doesn't appear to be too many of those. I guess they're all headed for the bar. Roger. Or something, you know, but there's one right here. Yes, sir. Good morning.
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Yeah. Michael. Minnesota.
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Hey, Michael. How you doing? You're not out riding the tractor today? Good.
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No. Nope. Okay. Not today. Alright. How's everything with you? I see oh, wonderful. Wonderful. How are you? Mhmm.
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I'm pretty good this morning. We got a little sunshine here in Ecuador. It's Tuesday. It's the expat day. I always try and attend those things when I can because I like the folks, and we have some stimulating conversations, especially on this geopolitical stuff. So, anyway, I look forward to that. So I'm pretty good.
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Mhmm.
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I stumbled on the website sedm.org.
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Yeah. That's our buddy, Josh Wallbuilding.
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He's got another What are your thoughts? They have a lot of oh, sorry.
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Well, I'll just say, we've known Josh for a long time. He's very well aware of what we do. Him and I communicate occasionally. He takes a different track on, putting everything in print. I like audio stuff and talking to people and explaining this on audio because a lot of people, unfortunately, can't read. Yeah. You know, I mean, I've mentioned this survey that was done recently. Twenty one percent of the people in The US are illiterate. Fifty three percent can't read above a third or sixth grade level. So I prefer to do talking, and he likes writing. So but he's a good guy. Yeah. He's got another site that accompanies that called famguardian.org.
Like familyguardian, famguardian.org. It's site, the SEDM. So, what, is your comment on mister Wallbuilders' work?
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Well, he they have a lot of information on tax resources for their members.
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Yeah. They do.
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You teach it so simply, and I'm on his website, and it looks like you would call it gobbly gook. Is that what you would call all of his Well,
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that's what I would, and I've been I studied that stuff a long time ago. I know what it is. I know how hard it is to maneuver through it. People like, well, for instance, Josh, I'm not sure if he understands even the fact that they change definitions on some of these things. But, mine's pretty simple because, really, it's pretty simple. You know, they've got a jurisdiction statement. At at the start, it's able to I'd quote it often, 26 CFR 1.1 dash one parenthesis small a. That's their jurisdictional statement. It covers both, statuses, free and bond.
And, it's stated right there. That's why they haven't been able to do anything with us at this point because we got them right there at that linchpin. Now let me also inform you, Michael, that that little insertion of the phrase nonresident alien there for August and August b, that little element right there kept me going for many years under the, man, they really, really are trying to hide something to do this right here. So it kept me going and motivated for many years, and finally, we figured it out. So, yeah, that's why I don't like going that other route, quite frankly. And I've never seen very many people successful at it either of attacking the code.
You've gotta go in and attack jurisdiction. K? So that's my comment on that. So what, you you you agree, it's a bunch of gobbledygook. Right? Yeah. Because I don't understand it. Or it well, you know, neither does anybody else. Let me, let me quote. I mentioned him the other day. Come up in history a couple of times. Guy name I I don't think it was Charles Barkley. I don't remember what his last name was, but I mean, his first name, but it was Barkley. His last name is surname, and, he was a very, very well liked and recognized senator back in the forties. As a matter of fact, he tagged on to Truman at some point as his vice president.
I I read and studied a little bit about him. And, he, at one point, he was the head of, head of the ways and means committee, which is a very important committee. They're the ones that come up with a lot of money and stuff in the senate. Now I didn't even know the senate had a ways and means committee. But, evidently, back then, they used to. Now it's in the house because the house raises all money. K? So, anyway, Barclay was the, chairman of the Ways and Means Committee in the senate, and this is something John and Glenn came up with their in their research. And as, the Ways and Means Committee chairman, he's the one that interfaced with taxes and taxation.
And so his statement, I can't totally quote it, but I can get pretty close. Says every year, we call the folks over from treasury, and we try and get them to simplify and shorten the tax code. And every year, they come back with something that only Solomon and all of his wise men could figure out to your point. Yes. It's complex. It's intentionally complex, and I'll give you another example, which you and the audience can go look at. We've talked about it, quite a bit on here, really. It's first piece of information that I ever found concretely back in 1992.
Remember, all this stuff wasn't on the Internet back in 1992, so the only thing we had to do is go to library. Went to the Cobb County Library there in Marietta, and, it overlooks a really impactful cemetery from the civil war. It's right there. It overlooks that and all the brave men that gave their lives for that conflagration. Regardless, I went straight to the reference section, and, I found a book in there on important legal documents. And so I already had read Phil Phil Marsh's book, so I know about the time frame in the Federal Reserve. So I opened it to that time frame turn of the nineteenth century. And in there, there was a document called Woodrow Wilson. So you can go get this on the web if they hadn't scrubbed it. Woodrow Wilson repudiation of dollar diplomacy. Have you heard us talk about that before, Michael? You listen a lot.
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Do you? Mhmm.
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Yes. You have? I've heard you mention that. Well, that well, this is '90 about '19. Well, in that thirteen, fifteen range, World War one range, and, of course, for the audience, it may not have. It starts as very short document, only a couple of paragraphs, and it starts out Wilson. He must have not it had to be early in his administration because they hadn't got to him yet, or else he wouldn't have done this. He'd assigned them on. So he says a consortium of bankers has come to us and asked us to loan a $100,000,000,000 to, to China to help, develop, the railroads over there. That's the way the Rothschilds were getting into the countries back then.
And, he said, they want me to cosign this loan, this arrangement, this bond issue is what it was. And, he says, I'm gonna refuse to do that, and he tells why. And in one of the paragraphs, he talks about the tax system. And he says the tax proposed tax system is antiquated and burdensome. Now what you're looking at right there with Josh Wahlbelder, would you instead of calling it gobbledygook, could you call it antiquated and burdensome?
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Absolutely.
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Okay. Well, Nelson nailed it. And the important part of that, it was it says, and administered by foreign agents. Now they've they've embedded these people here, but they are foreign agents. They work for the International Monetary Fund through the treasury. But, there's another description of it. So that's why I like to try and teach the simplicity of it because if you know where the answers are, it's very simple. And and the fact that they've been standing mute for all these years when presented with it, the IRS, shows you something that's really funny and interesting this morning that you'd come on and bring that up, Michael.
Because just this morning, I got a letter from, email from a guy, but his first initial was g. He didn't give me a name, and I won't use his last name. But he said he got an IRS letter. And he got an IRS letter. I'm going from memory here and and, that, they're telling him there's 500,000 other people in this position. Now what his position was is I I guess he didn't send me even a copy of what they sent him. It might be the I don't know if it's his c p 59 or not. But they wrote him a letter, and, they're saying he's owe owe taxes for past years. I don't know which years, but he said, this is what I'm a write him back. And he and he put the his response right there. And I and right at the first, he says, telling him that he'd file his affidavit in May of this year. It is still 2025, isn't it? I mean, I'm not lost in a time warp somewhere.
So he he said I filed my affidavit in May, May so and so of 2025. Well, that was, you know, about a month ago, a little over, month and a half. And, and that was what he was gonna write him back, and I had to write him that, you know, if you filed your affidavit this year, it will exempt you to our understanding. Of course, you're not gonna get any cooperation out of the IRS on this. You just have to see how they react. But, if you file your affidavit even to December 30 or thirty first of this year, you'll be exempt from the whole year's taxes 2025, but not before because you were still in your other status before like you are now, Michael. And so, in that case, they're coming to him and saying, you owe us for these previous years. And I told him if that's the case, he needs to go ahead and deal with them and figure out how to negotiate it or whatever because, legitimately, he owes them. He wouldn't know him for this year forward. Next April, he wouldn't have to file unless they've been taking money out throughout this year and you file a ten forty and r and get that back.
But that's the way I understand it at this point when you file an affidavit that exempts you from that year forward, but it doesn't cover the past because your status had not changed back then. So that's kinda what I told him, and I I hope he scans in the letter and sends it to me. We'll see. So I can make sure, but that's, just something I got this morning. So the misunderstanding look. It's a get out of jail for free card, but only from now forward, not now past. It doesn't exempt you from, the sins of the past as they would say. So that is something else I wanted to be sure to mention today. So thanks for giving me the opening there, Michael.
Now what's your question?
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My question is is all that gobbly gook that I found on their website, they list a lot of tax codes and a lot of they're like, you better with any correspondence that you get from the IRS, they recommend that you follow their steps and it's pages and, you know, it could be half a dozen pages of why do they feel that is all necessary and you basically recommend to respond with them just with your affidavit and remind them of that c CFR 20, 26 CFR one dot one dash one a and reminding them of your affidavit. Why Because
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why do I do that?
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Well, why are they so firmly in belief that you must there's like a form that that they recommend that, yes, you include on every correspondence from the IRS at minimum.
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Well, I'm dealt with those It's what I've I've dealt with those people in a long time. I'm not sure what form you're talking about. It isn't that one five one zero three that we've been discussing, is it? If so, you're out in that form. No.
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They just rec they they got a lot of case law and they got IRS codes that you're they're and they got they got six pages of it. Oh, yeah. PDF and they go they recommend that you attach with any correspondence that you write to the IRS, include this.
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Well, all you have to include is that you don't have any jurisdiction on me. Do they have the right to go up to Canada and start nabbing Canadians or Mexicans on tax stuff? No. I don't know. Okay. Well, the same way as international. Want me to say no? Well, I'm I'm wanting you to say the truth to your knowledge, the best of it. They can't go over to France and grab a Frenchman and say file all this when you send us anything, all that crap. Well, I guess they could, but it wouldn't have any effect. And the reason it wouldn't have any effect is you're not under their they those people are not under their jurisdiction. And if you're a national, you're not under their jurisdiction either in that that, regulation you just cited proves it. I mean, do we need to go through it again? I'll be happy to. You know, there's only two statuses. Uh-huh. Well, there let's for there may be some new people listening because this is you're right. It's very confusing. It's very ambiguous.
It is meant and totally intended to be that way so that when you try and fight it, you'll either misunderstand it or you'll throw up your hands and say, holy crap. I better just pay the bastards. That's the reaction they're looking for. That's why they do all that stuff. K? They could make this simple as hell. But if they make it simple as hell, then people could understand it and realize there's a there's a turd in the punch bowl somewhere. K? So the best way I've found to do this, Michael, and to approach it is to say, hey, Michael. There's only two statuses. You're you're either free or you're a slave. Do you agree with that?
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Yes.
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Okay. So we both got agreement on there's only two. You're either free or you're a slave. Right? Now we go to their jurisdictional statement at, the 26 CFR 1.1 dash one parenthesis small a. We've mentioned it a lot around here. It's really key and pivotal because this is where they get you. And that statement reads, I think I probably get it verbatim, Michael. An income tax is owed by all individuals. Now it's I I stress and, you know, I didn't catch that for a long time. I stress that they use individuals there. It does not say an income tax is owed by all persons, does it? It says individuals. And why is that important?
You got any idea?
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Person is a legal entity, and an individual is a human.
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Correct. And so they don't put person in there because, like, a corporation's a person. Partnerships are persons. All those are persons also. They deal with them in their own specific schedule. They've got a whole another schedule of taxes for corporations. The corporate tax rate, it is not on the personal. Can they use individuals? Because if you wanna go back and get the legal lesson here, is individual always in law means human persons because a person is an entity to whom the law ascribes rights and duties. Like I said, can be a corporation, can be a partnership, can be a human individual, etcetera.
But they wanna go in and clarify that. So you get your person, the corporation, gets its corporate personhood from the fourteenth amendment. So, you know, it's just a correlative duties to the fourteenth amendment in the federal government. But us, we are individuals, and they use that term specifically because the rights and the duties are in the same entity. In other words, if we're the human person and it's called an individual in law, then we owe both the rights. We get the rights as individuals, and we owe the duties as individuals. So that's why they use individual there so there's no mistake.
K? So an income tax is owed by all individuals as human persons, schedule one, who are citizens of The United States or residents. Well, we already know what those are. That's a person under the fourteenth amendment that gets its rights, civil rights, from the federal government and owes the federal government the duties such as income tax. K? And to the extent of eight seventy one b and eight seventy seven b, all whatever you wanna label it, individuals. They choose to label it nonresident alien to trick your mind into thinking it's Jose the tomato picker. K? Because you can't imagine yourself as a nonresident alien. It doesn't make any sense if you don't know all this whole law.
K? And so back to our question, there's only two statuses, free and slave. Well, we know what the slave is since The United States is resident, so it doesn't leave much wiggle room on what whatever they call it. In this instance, a nonresident alien, there's not a lot of wiggle room there, is there? It's gotta be the free person, doesn't it? Or am I missing something? Michael? Michael, did you go away? Did all of this drive you away, Michael?
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It can. Oh, I got, muted. Yeah. I heard you. I agree with you.
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Okay. Well, then what what else am I and now if you want a further layer of proof on that, eight seventy one and eight seventy seven b are both constitutional taxes. What would Jose the tomato picker who comes over here to pick fruit be doing paying constitutional taxes only? So you see, they they they tried their best. They did a damn good job. And if it wouldn't have been for John Benson being as, as studied and as astute as he was and driven on this tax issue, this was his issue. Okay? And, we wouldn't understand this. There was a guy, Kotmeyer.
You hear him mention Save a Patriot was the organization. He's dead now. And he was feverantly against this and would say, no. No. Nonresident aliens are the only ones who's supposed to pay the tax, even though he's totally misconstruing that statement. 1.1 dash one a. So there's your two, and that's why they can't go any further because they can't get past that. Now do you want verification on what that is, Michael? You can go over to, probably find it on the Internet. I'm sure now. But you're looking for a document called t d twenty three thirteen.
Have have you heard us talk about this?
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I believe
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why do I believe I put that TD on my ten forty and r o I
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schedule for, that o I No. No. No. It has nothing to do with that. No. No. No. It's this is back to the very first case in the Supreme Court on the sixteenth amendment, and it was called Bush Haber versus Union Pacific Railroad. And, it's a challenge on the sixteenth amendment. Like I said, it's first time they the Supreme Court had great case first impression, they call it. And so, if you go read on the Internet about Bruce Haber, it will say in the shorts, the thumbnail descriptions that Frank that, Bush Haber's attorney brought up in in the arguments at the Supreme Court that he was a nonresident alien, and the Supreme Court did not incorporate that into the decision.
K? But whenever there's a decision from the Supreme Court on a tax issue, the Treasury writes what's called a Treasury decision on whatever the findings were so that they can correctly incorporate the findings of the court into the tax collection system. And so they wrote a TD, Treasury decision, on the Brishaber case, and it's twenty three thirteen. And it shows you where nonresident alien came from. Because best of my memory, I went and looked it up thirty years ago or more than over at Emory, and, it says Frank Bush Haber, a citizen of the state of New York, state citizen, and a nonresident alien.
So they state that Frank Bush Haber, an American in this case, was a nonresident alien. They stated right in the Treasury decision. You can go confirm that for yourself. K? So I don't know. Is that enough proof for you, Michael, or you you need additional stuff to soothe your troubled mind or what?
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No. You're you you did excellent. I just you know, I anybody that goes on can am I unmuted?
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Yeah, man. I hear you. Am am I? Okay. Yeah. I gotcha.
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Anybody that stumbles on their website at sdem.org would be, overstimulated by reading all of their material. But you can't even you can't read all of their material. No. No. Hell, I can't even understand everything you're telling me in in two years of listening to you. Right?
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And mine's simple.
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And yours is supposedly simple. And I, you know,
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Well, Michael, you know what? She's perfect. You're a perfect victim for what they've set up here because everything they're they intended, they've you you're reacting to in their exact way they want you to react. K? So I I I don't know any simpler way to do it. Sure. Obviously, it's complex. K? And I think Woodrow Wilson or whoever wrote that press release antiquated and burdensome. Oh, hell. Is there a better description for the tax code? I don't think there is. It's antiquated and burdensome, and it's designed to be that way to fool your ass, to bamboozle you, to frustrate you, and say I can't understand all this crap. There's they're they're terrorists. I better go ahead and pay them. Right? Mhmm. Michael. Well, you know Yeah.
Well, that's that's exactly what they're intending. So, anyway, I mean, all I can do is explain it to you, show it to you, and, none nobody they're starting to get a little frisky right now. We're sending out some of these letters and following up. You heard about Michael and the FedEx bunch there, and I think it was Ohio or Kansas City or somewhere, and they they can't go after them. They can't go after them and charge them with anything even administratively because we got them by the shorthairs. But these guys and their mindset and you can see the hutzpah is, well, we're gonna go in and make your employer start withholding to the maximum. Sum of that's their idea of coming back at you.
Look at how powerful we are. You can't do this to us. They're nothing but paper tigers. You know, I was thinking last couple of days. I mentioned it before. Did you ever see freedom to fascism, Michael?
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No.
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It's a very good movie. It was quite quite a topical, movie. It was done by a guy named Aaron Russo, who's from Chicago up there by where you are. His claim to fame, by the way, mister Russo is now dead, was, that he discovered Bette Midler. K? So, anyway, he went on to have some high profiles visibility, and he got really against he was friends with the Rockefeller kids too. And, he got really against his tax issue, and he did this video. You can find it on the web called freedom to fascism. It's very good. Hollywood production kind of thing.
And in the middle of that movie, he's got I think he was either the active or retired commissioner of the IRS. By the way, Michael, why do you think they call him the commissioner?
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He's collecting a commission.
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No. It wouldn't be it, would it? No. So it was a commissioner, and I remember his name. I think his first name was Sheldon, but his last name was Cohen. And so at the segment of the IRS part in there, and he and Russo, who was also Jewish, were talking, Yiddish. And and Cohen tells him, you can't get out of it. That was his statement in Yiddish. Well, screw you, Cohen. We found a way to get out of it. We see who you are. We know how you do things, and we got you nailed here. And you can't do a damn thing about it, mister Cohen, whether you're dead or alive. We got you right by the damn short airs. And the reason they get upset about this is this is the pivotal thing of their whole program, is to build up all this hypothecated bit, debt, like 37.
I think we just crossed 37 to 38,000,000,000,000 just in the last few days. $38,000,000,000,000 worth worth of debt, and they want you and your grandchildren and all your generations in the future to be paying that that can't ever be paid off, by the way. Because the compound interest compounds on the amount that was never loaned in, and you can't pay it off. It's impossible. If you paid off all the debt, there wouldn't be any circulating Federal Reserve notes. K? So that's the deal, and this is the teeth. This is what they want. They want their ass right where they can bite you and shake you down and, to pay the bondholders and probably the majority of the bondholders are them. And it's nothing but vigorous. You know what vigorous is to them, Michael? You ever heard that term?
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Never heard never heard of that word.
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Vigorous is interest to Jews. It's what they call it. Vig. Vigorous. That's what they want. They want the return on nothing. The free money. K? So all that and the whole system is designed to bite you in the butt and suck out your essence along with your hereditament for future generations. Do you wanna do that?
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Does anyone?
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Michael, do you wanna do that? Well, if you do, then don't do anything. And if you don't, go ahead and study until you get to a point in your mind where you're ready to take the step and flip, take the step and flip them a finger. Does anybody have Sorry, Roger. There's someone knocking on the door. Okay. Well, that's alright. So that's okay. Did did, do you wanna pay them all that? You want your grandchildren and great grandchildren to be paying all that? I mean, it's a rhetorical question. I'm gonna assume you're saying to say no. Well, then continue to study until you get. Come back. Ask as many questions as you want. We'll go over it as many times as you want.
But we want to get you to a position where you go, what am I scared of these guys for? I've got the power. They've stolen it from me. They've conditioned me to be scared of them, and I'm not gonna be. I'm whenever you get to that point, you let us know. Does anybody have any words for Michael from the audience here that can help me out? Something I missed you'd like to tell him? Holy smokes. I would think this would be a real hot button issue for you guys.
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Hey, Roger?
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Yes. There's some was that Thora?
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No. It's Nancy.
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Oh, hey, Nancy. We are right on the microphone now. With you, we're gonna say back up just a little bit. But why don't you say hello to Michael? Yeah. You're good. Just say hello to Michael unless anxious to hear what you gotta say. Now here's a little female, a single female, Michael. You think she should be scared of him?
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Hey, Michael.
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Hi there.
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So, I I love, actually, I I I focus when I share the national, message, besides the, case law that illustrates the difference between the state citizen and the fourteenth amendment citizen. I focus on Bruce Shaper, the t d and t d twenty three thirteen and the 26 CFR because now I've I've told Roger this before, and I know when he first looked at this, he recalls them putting together both, in the twenty treasury decision from 1916. He recalls reading that they in that decision, they put together both the term nonresident alien and state citizen in that decision, but that's not what I found. But it doesn't really matter, because Bruce Haber in his, Frank Bruce Haber in his original petition, which you can find this out, and Paul Biner has it in his documents. And you can find it online. It's from, I think, nineteen fourteen, nineteen fifteen.
He claimed his state citizenship as a citizen of the state of New York and a resident of the borough of Brooklyn and the city of New York. So evidently, that term residency, though, a landmine and, to be used, with, caution, his state citizenship is preeminent. So he claimed his state citizenship and not his, federal citizen. And so when you look at the treasury decision that came out of that, I mean, Bruce Shaper was challenging, that he had held stock in Union Pacific Railroad, and he didn't want, he didn't wanna have to pay the taxes on that income. And, also, he I guess he was challenging, the the Union Pacific Railroad owed that tax. But, anyway, he did not prevail. But what came out of that in the treasury decision, they just identified Frank Broshaper as a nonresident ailer. At least that's what I've read. I think in commentary, in summaries of it, it it brings those two together. But then when you look at 26 CFR one dot one dash one as we Roger was just walking us through, and the tax that a nonresident alien owes ex related to expatriation, you know, it it can't be it has to be a citizen of of The United States Of America of some sort.
So when you and then also so if you when you put those three pieces of information together when you're presented, it becomes very clear. And if you look up the the code definition of what a nonresident alien is, neither a US citizen or US resident, you realize that they're hiding the state citizen. So it's a powerful teaching method and and unlearning and understanding for me to clearly show, where the state citizen, now the national, you know, an individual who owes, allegiance total allegiance to a small s state. That's where they're hiding this the the state citizen.
So for me, that shows you the deception and treachery of government in in the use of words, which is part it's a subtitle of Roger's book. So it if that I yield.
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Thank you, Nancy. It's very accurate. Let me go back the reason why. Why is that like that? Because Frank Buschaber, as he stated, remembers his choice. We didn't have he said I'm a citizen of state of New York in his filing, I guess. So, that means that he's under constitutional taxes. Now this is where we'll go back in a differential, Michael, for you and show you the differences in those two and why it matters. The only there's only two taxes in the constitution. One is they're called direct and indirect. Have you heard us go over this before? I'm gonna give you a little lesson on taxation here. And people don't know this stuff. It's very confusing.
They don't wanna go in and learn it. They just hate taxes. They hate the IRS, and they hate being separated from the fruit of their labor. Okay? So that's what the constitution was put in place to avoid. And the constitutional taxes are you can call them a couple of different labels, direct or indirect, capitation or, excise, and that's the the capitation, and one of them is direct. Capitation means head. Okay? So that's a head tax. And the other is an indirect tax. It's called an excise tax. And there's two differences, and there's two requirements. The capitation tax has to be apportioned.
We're gonna come back and cover that in a second. The excise tax or indirect tax has to be uniform, which means the same. So the capitation tax that me has to be apportioned, and this is a check and balance that was put into the constitution and the country by our founders, actually, if you study it and think about it. Decapitation tax means it has to be apportioned, which means it has to be equal for everybody. So this is one of the reasons that the census was formed, not all of it, but part of it. So that in the event there was a tax appropriated by Congress to be apportioned, like, a capitation, a taxing on individual like the income taxes.
But the income tax isn't apportioned. It's all whatever individuals do in their own whatever. K? This means that the congress well, let's say we're having a war over there in The Middle East. And, last year, we didn't had and hadn't had for a couple of times a year, a, apportioned tax by Congress. It has to be packed taxed by Congress. And, so all of a sudden, we're fighting this war and congress comes up and and, they do, an apportioned tax. And so it's let's say it's $500. So everybody in the country goes from owing nothing to owing $500.
And everybody owes it, and it's all the same amount. So what do you think the effects of that are gonna be, Michael? It's a rhetorical question. Everybody's gonna stand up and go, what the hell are you guys doing up there in Washington? You went from zero to 500. K? So it's a check and a balance in there. Now excise taxes or indirect taxes are taxes that sometimes are called sin taxes. Sin, like s I n, like to miss the mark. And they're called sin taxes because it's, usually associated with alcohol or tobacco. And so they go, well, if you don't wanna pay the tax, don't smoke or drink.
It's your option. But these are the taxes that are like on gasoline. You as a farmer can buy fuel, I think, without paying those taxes and diesel for your but don't they put some sort of a cent or something in there where you know it's not regular diesel? K? They they put a red dye in the There you go. Okay. So that you're and you're tax exempt on that. Right?
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Correct. I don't think yeah. The road tax is removed. The road tax is removed.
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Okay. The road tax is removed. Okay. Yeah. Alright. Just hold on. Let me finish. We'll open this up for discussion because I want y'all to help Michael out as much as we can here. So if let's take the regular gasoline tax. Well, you might be buying gas at a at a station that's right next to a refinery down there in Houston, or you might be buying gas up in the wilds of Alaska where there's not a refinery within thousands of miles. K? But the amount percentage of tax you pay on that gallon will be the same in Houston as it is in the middle of Alaska.
It's uniform. It's got to be the same. And these are all of your excise taxes. They're called excise taxes, indirect taxes. I can't I those are probably the two main labels. But one's direct and one's indirect. And they if you're gonna do a direct tax, it's gotta be apportioned. Everybody pays the same. Well, that's why they had to get the income tax in here. They don't want everybody to pay the same. They don't want you to see the alarm in the monetary system. They want you to go along with the burden on yourself and be self flagrigating yourself with a whip that you gotta go pay these damn monsters.
They're vigorous. So those are regular taxes. That's why they had to get the thing in bankruptcy where they could pull in the income tax on the side. And under these other auspices, it's legal and it accomplishes everything they want to accomplish and bypasses the constitution. When you file the affidavit, you go back to being a state citizen called a national, and your only taxes are capitation taxes, direct taxes, and indirect taxes. And listen, I I personally if I ever owe those taxes, I'll pay them. Okay? But I'm not gonna go paying this income tax on the entity that I'm not, which is a slave. K? Now did is that understandable, Michael?
Michael?
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Yes. Yes. It I understand.
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Okay. Now let's let's open the mic. I'd like to hear some of the other folks who are trying to say something a minute ago and see what maybe they have for you. So, Joe, you were one. What do you want what do you have anything to say to Michael? Okay. Guess not. He's probably doing something. Anybody else in the audience? You wanna step forward and tell Michael something, see if we can appease his troubled mind?
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Hey, Roger. I'm when we get a consumption check on the
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Alright. Wait. Hold it. Is this Waheed?
[00:45:35] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. This is Waheed. You're unintelligible,
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Waheed. I don't know whether you got crappy earbuds on. Gonna say the con the consumption Well, you got there's a lot of echo. We can still hear you, I guess. Let's see. Go ahead and speak your peace. Let's see if we can understand it.
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Consumption tax. What do you think of that consumption tax? That's an excise
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tax. That's an excise tax. Okay? What I hope that your question was
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Wahid, it sounds like your earbuds are just earbuds, and there's no microphone. And your phone is speakerphone is on, and it's picking up all the echo from the room. Lose the earbuds, turn off the speakerphone, and use the phone right so we can understand you.
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Yeah. That'd be good. Anybody else got something to Paul, you got something to say to Michael?
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No.
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Nope. I haven't Anybody else in the audience that can can oh, you what now? You haven't paid taxes in ten years? Good on you. Nope. No. I haven't paid taxes in ten years. Alright. Anybody else out there have any any kind words or any there's one. Yes, sir. Who's that? Yep.
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It's Mike.
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Hey, Mike. How you doing?
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Hey. Let everybody know it's hot power in Birmingham today. It's gonna be, like, 95. Okay. But, you gotta you gotta watch the states. States are notorious, they ignoring the law, like California's franchise tax board. And here in the state of Alabama, they don't give a shit that that, you're a national. We're gonna text you anyways.
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Well, in your circumstances in your circumstances, and Michael's circumstances are very unusual. He's the only one that this ever happened to. K? To my knowledge. But yes. And and then we've had some some FUBARs with the states where people filed the wrong tax year form and this, that, and the other. And they're listen. It's a very confusing field. That's why we didn't use to cover this at all. It was just get free. And, but we've over the last few years, we've started covering it more, understanding its importance more. And, but to this point, we there have been no blowbacks except these these guys say they went to my employer and said, stop.
Take the withholding back. That's the only repercussion that I know of, honestly, Michael. So anybody else got something to say? Okay. Is that some way trying to Sure. Boy, we got the funky phone lines today here. Yeah. Go ahead, sir. See if we can get you intelligible.
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Well, this is Gary.
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Hey, Gary. Coming in? Yeah. You get a little fringe, but, let's see. I think we can hear you. Gary's been around a long time, Michael. He's a wise guy. You need to listen to what he's got to say. He's a bit to the west of you out there in Montana. Gary, how are you doing, buddy?
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Oh, pretty good. Hey. I can top Paul. I haven't paid any taxes nor has Gina for seventeen years.
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Okay.
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There you go.
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So Gary's got a group of people. From the
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Michael, when Gary's well, hopefully, he'll get he's been going through some health challenges with his pancreas. Hopefully, when he gets totally out of the woods, we'll have him start picking up his meetings out there again because he's got over 50 people a week in Kalispell, Montana coming to learn about this stuff. And 50 plus easy that have filed paperwork out there. So, Barry, any of your people had any blowback from IRS?
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Nope. Got a couple that's called me about the CP 59 letter lately, but that's easy to get rid of. So, nope. Nobody's had blowback. Nobody's gotten bank account seized or anything. Okay. And and, Roger, we're over a 100 nationals up here. Not not Are you? 50.
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God bless you. You've been busy. You and Jean have been busy as beavers.
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Yep. Just learn the information. That's the big thing.
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Yep.
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So I have a question for
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Jerry Gary? Gary Gary, g a g a r y. Gary. Yeah. My Michael, go ahead and ask Gary your question.
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So you respond to the IRS or your students respond to the IRS the way that Roger teaches. Simple, short, share your affidavit, tell them what you are, and send a copy of the correspondence of that CP 59, and they leave you alone.
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Well, this CP 59 is a relatively this is a new little deal for them, the CP 59 here late as of late. And what my suspicions are is, you know, I think they've had at least five different IRS commissioners since Trump was inaugurated. I know one week they had three. Okay? So, I think what's going on is somebody gets in there and they go, holy shit. We got this problem. You know, the letter that guy got that he sent me said they had over well, you didn't send me the letter. You just mentioned it. They had over 500,000 people in the same condition that what they were trying to do, whatever that may be. I haven't seen the letter yet.
But, but they don't know what to do about this, Michael, because we figured out their deal, and they can't overcome that without showing what they can't just stand mute because it's so important. You got a new commissioner. We gotta get them. We gotta get you'll get a commission on all this if you can figure it out. And they don't know what to do because there's nothing they can do without openly being tyrants, which, of course, they're never gonna do. And so here's a question. If there's 500,000 people according to that letter that he related that figure to me, VIN, that are in this same situation, How the hell do you think they're gonna deal with it? You think they're gonna send out 500,000 pairs of agents? Well, they don't have that many.
Trump cut a bunch of theirs back already this year. So they're in a intel in a a position where they can't do anything except threaten and bully you, which is exactly what their expertise is. So this is another case of the only way you're going to be free is if you internalize this information and you get to a point where you can defend your position if it's challenged. Then you're free. And the better you can do that, the freer you are. So, again, it just goes back to getting the knowledge in your noggin and overcoming the fear that's been falsely put in there that these guys are all powerful. They're not.
They want you to think they are, but they're not. So, Michael, I again, I'm gonna put the ball right in your court and let you dribble. I can answer all your questions. The other people can tell you their experiences in the end. You're the one that's gotta make the decision. And as Paul and myself have told you, well, I I don't want you filing the affidavit until you're overcome, overcome this. Okay? How about that? Michael? Well, Michael brings something. At least we don't have to talk about to talk about. We don't have to talk about Iran and and and, bombs and crap for an hour. So that's good. Yes, Marco. What do you got for, young Michael here?
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I'm just wondering, is his concern, air is coming back at him? That is that his concern?
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Yeah. He thinks they're gonna, like, bob but kick down his door in the middle of the night.
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I'm more concerned of them ignoring my correspondences.
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Oh, they won't. They can't they can't ignore me off. No. They can't hear one.
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Better. Go go ahead, Mark, and I'll come back with my explanation.
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An acknowledgment letter from them.
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You did?
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Documenting that they did receive my affidavit. Though I I don't know if I've told you this already, Michael, on Telegram, National Status Freedom, that, when now I'm I'm encouraging students to call into the resident nonresident alien line and talk to them. Oh, okay. I sent this notice, you know, effective this date, whatever date it was. And and you there's an error in your system that has not been corrected, you need to correct it. It needs to be updated in all systems.
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Good. And,
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what what that man did was he, took his time, to look at for the information. I was updating some taxes, some old taxes, because there's a person that was helping us that didn't, complete them right or send them out on time or something. So we needed to send them in. And that was updated. So then I sent in my notice, and then I I wanted to make sure that it was in the system. And, I did get something in the mail and I just called them. I'm like, hey, this hasn't been updated. Can you please look in the system and see if you're showing it? And I guess it wasn't showing, so I'm like, can I fax it directly to you? Because I need to make sure that I could fax it to you. I'm not gonna send it to just a general fax or mail it again.
And he gave me his fax number. I asked for his fax number. I need your direct number. So or somewhere close to you that you can get it so you can put it in the system. And then what I did was I mailed it also after that soon after, And I send it to the commissioner, again, and the Philadelphia office. I had some other addresses, but I sent the to the nonresident alien fax number. I asked for their for his direct, the person that I spoke to, fax number. He was kind of hesitant to give it to me, but, I did explain to him, you know, this needs to be updated. It's important. If not, then we're just gonna run into issues.
And I also fax it to the other fax number that they have. So, and I put it on the cover letter. I'm like, it needs to be updated in all systems. So it's important to take the time to talk to them. I mean, the nonresident alien line is to me, I noticed a huge difference compared to, you know, the lines that people try calling as a US citizen. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. That's true. With the
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I don't understand credit, generally. Go ahead. I I yeah. Exactly.
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I even dealt with, the franchise tax board of California, because they were trying to get us on on something too. And I'm like, you know, she's like, oh, you shouldn't be calling that line. And I'm like, well, well, that's the line I need to be calling because I'm a nonresident alien. And she's like, well, we don't encourage people to call that. I'm like, okay. Well, you know, I'll continue and proceed as as I need. And, I I even asked for their fax number and, fax it over to them too. So
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Now You know? Michael
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the good work, Myrtle, by the way. And, you got big breasticles for just picking up the phone and calling them, and I think that's great. So good on you. Michael, your your, statement was you're afraid they won't recognize what you send. Let me see if I can address that for you. The agencies when the agencies started coming on after the bankruptcy, Congress there was no previous agencies before thirty three, March ninth. So, Congress, because of the power of these agencies, they had to have a rule book on these things, how what they could do, how they could do it, how it had to be done. Because remember, this isn't unconstitutional.
It's and I love what Bob Bob Morgan brought us. He said it's not the it's not unconstitutional. It's extra constitutional. Now that's very accurate because it's extra constitutional because we're in bankruptcy. K? So they said, okay. You you we're in this. We're gonna have these agencies popping up. That was all FDR. And, but we need a rule book. Well, they didn't pass a rule book until after World War two, thirteen years later, in 1946. And that is called the Administrative Procedures Act. APA is how it's referred to. It's been codified in title five of The United States code section five five two.
Title five, section five five two, and following. So this sections after five five three, four five six, these are all having to do in laying out the rules by which administrative agencies operate. K?
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So many codes.
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Pardon me?
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Codes. Just verification codes to make sure you're you a million times and a half for security.
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Okay. Could you see if we could get that knocked out? Somebody's talking with the mic on, Paul, please. So in this rule book, and I'll give you a timely example here, they lay out how agencies, these are some technical words here, promulgate regulations, rules, public policy, it's called. And there are certain ways and certain rules. And I guess we'll just have to go into all of it here for you. What I'm trying to get to is to show you that your statement that they're not gonna recognize what you send them is not correct. They have to recognize what you send them. Because this whole administrative agency setup is a court of record.
A what? A court of record. It's not a court as we would know that from that word, but it's a court of record. And what that means is when they send you these notices and these correspondence things, well, they've gotta have a file where they say we sent this to Michael to know if you've responded in time or what they've sent you or anything else. And when you send them anything in response, it's also gotta be put in that file. So it's your administrative file that is a court of record. Now some patriots go and try and file a court case at the district court level, and the clerk will say, I can't accept this because you have not exhausted your administrative remedies.
So you've got two court systems. One is a little less informal, a little more informal, and then one is real formal, and that's the thing we know as a court. But they've even got courts at the top say if you get in a in a urinating match with them, Michael, and you go, okay. Well, that's your decision. I don't agree with it. So your next question is, what's the next step in my administrative appeal? Because you've got power to appeal this decision. It's not cut and dry just because they say it. Okay? You've got rights too under this system, and you get to go and challenge that and go, well, what's my administrative appeal? Well, you gotta get with this guy. And then he looks at your file and sees what all is in there. You give him your arguments, and he may rule against you. And you go, well, what's the next step in my administrative appeal?
And that is a court called an administrative court or tribunal, basically, because you've got an administrative officer from the agency, hopefully, that that's gonna adjudicate this, dispute. Fair. Okay? But there's the the rebuttal to your statement. They're not gonna recognize what I sent. They've got to. It's not a choice for them. K? Because this is a court of record. And should it get to a point where the administrative judge rules against you, now you've exhausted your administrative remedies. You've gone through the whole administrative appeal system. Now you can go over to district court and take them to district court.
But that court of record is when you take that case over there, anything that's in that file, anything that's in that file, and whatever you send them's gotta be in there. Anything that's in that file can be brought into your court action without any rules of evidence restrictions. Because it's already in a court of record, theirs, and in your file, if you go and sue them, you can get whatever paperwork is in there, and, and they can't stop it from being entered into the rules of evidence. So let's say that you sent them out a dash 66 questions. That's on our website, by the way.
Al heard from the IRS, and he sent them these 66 questions, and he never heard from them again. Why not? Why not, Michael? I'll tell you. I know it's a rhetorical question because it was already in their files, their court of record. He sent it back to them. Now if they tried to come after him for failure to file or something, then because that those questions are in the IRS's own court of record, those could be brought into the court. And you come in and go, this is I asked you these questions, and you never responded. Why didn't you respond to these 66 questions? That's why they'll never take you to court.
This is how you buffalo these people is to get that court of record in the administrative file full of of things like Al Attucks 66 questions or your response to, how can you say I'm not a nonresident alien? It says here I only owe these two taxes, eight seventy one b and eight seventy seven b. They're both constitutional taxes. How can you say that that's not me? And you stuff your folder with stuff like that, then they'll never come against you because they've got to be able to bring you can bring those into court, bypass the rules of evidence, and and that's the stuff they don't want in there. That's why you never see any of us prosecuted. You think they wanna bring this case on this nonresident alien thing and the whole pivot turn in the tax system? You think they wanna bring that into a court of law in a trial after they're coming at you? I promise you they don't. They're scared as hell of this.
So, again Roger. It goes back to education and the fact that you can get in your mind these things go, hold it. I've got the power. These people are just nothing but thieves. All they do is bluff and bully. Yes, Larry. What have you got for our our our boy, Michael, here?
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Well, he came on the air, saying that he was reading from a website called SEDM. Correct. And I was wondering if you ever if you ever read what they wrote about you probably a couple of years ago.
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No. No. And it doesn't matter what they wrote about me, quite frankly.
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Do do you care for me to to read what they wrote about you? You you can if you want. That's okay with me. Alright. So they have on a document 3.49 sales, comma, Roger, website, Sovereign to Surf,
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and Oh, that's a no that's a good one. That's no longer Yeah. Yeah. And then something else. And then they wrote,
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date range is unknown. Biography, and this is about you, a person who worked in the entertainment industry for years, studied government corruption extensively, a student of Glen Amber and John Benson, lives abroad and has lived in both Argentina and Ecuador, thinks we are headed for a big economic, meltdown soon and wants to be one, out and wants to be out of the crossfire. Roger's favorite subject of study is citizenship. Other than us, he is the only person we have met who has studied citizenship as carefully and for as long as us.
You can read some of his research at from sovereign to surf and a passport for Edward Snowden. We have item number one above. Roger gave it to us for free. He has been a student and fan of Family Guardian and SEDM for years. In that in that item, he provides an attachment you can use to your passport application. Unfortunately, it doesn't deal with how to get a passport without a Social Security number
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Which makes sense. Social Security. So
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so he isn't going to bite the hand that feeds him. He thinks the Social Security is not a problem, but we differ greatly on that subject. And then he they list a form called Social Security mark of the beast, and I totally disagree with that, by the way. There's not gonna be a mark of the beast. The beast in Revelation is referring to the Roman Empire, but I digress. It it goes on to say, Roger has studied the subject of citizenship almost as extensively as we have. Like many neophyte freedom lovers, he incorrectly thinks there is something sinister about the fourteenth amendment.
We have pointed him to the following research to rebut each or to rebut such beliefs, and he can't rationally rebut it, but continues in his flawed belief. And they're referring to a document they claim they sent you, why the fourteenth amendment is not a threat to your freedom, and they list the form number. Well, I Other than our differences do you wanna comment on that? Well, yeah. I'd say
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he he just didn't go through John Benson's class. He's talking about this not sinister and the subject to the jurisdiction, not our subject. It's not a definitive statement. There's a two pronged test there. And I doubt if Josh has looked through and thought through that completely, be my comment.
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Okay. Other than our differences on the fourteenth amendment, his research on citizenship agrees 100% with ours as documented in why you are a national, state national, and constitutional,
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but not statutory citizen. He lists that form. Okay. Well, I can I can I interrupt again? Can I interrupt interrupt you? No such thing as a state national. Find it for me. Find it in any court, any court, any statute, any regulation. Find the term state national. It ain't there. But he uses it in his statement here. So who's who isn't understanding? Who isn't understanding here?
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And one one more sentence. Roger runs several Internet radio programs and websites as his ministry, People's Patriot Network. That's why I think this is an old article. It is. And number two, Radio Ranch, Roger Sales. Because he has been in radio for decades, he is a good speaker and is great at getting people at least politically interested in freedom.
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And that's that ends what they had to say about you. Well, that's pretty nice. We disagree. I mean, people are welcome to disagree. I just if he says the fourteenth amendment isn't anything, why is the whole damn system built under it? Well, anybody?
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Yeah. Roger, can I ask you a quick question?
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Okay. Well, you know Are we on topic? Are you taking us off to Uranus or someplace?
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It is it is pretty much on top because it has to do with citizenship, and it has to do with the fact that do you are you a bit concerned about a lot of these people who are being taken are being taken by people wearing masks? That's a big concern. One. Well, the only one I know of is that,
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professor up in the Northeast that wrote, you know, some kind of editorial against Israel, and they evidently kidnapped her. That's the only one I know of. Are there more that I've been missing, Joaheed?
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What most of the people that are a lot of the agents have are wearing masks,
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and you don't know they're not showing you any ID or any No. Who they are. Or gal. Do you understand what I'm saying? I understand what you're saying. I'm totally opposed to it. Anybody can run to me. Know about it. I heard me or you. Hold on now. Just hold on, Waiheed. I hold I heard a reporter ask Trump about it. He didn't know about it either. No ID IDing you? Do do you know somebody walk up to you and just grab you with no ID? They they knew why don't be naive. They knew who the hell she was. This is these damn rabid Zionists that are just rampant in Trump's administration that go off unleashed.
And did that gal was a PhD student, some university in the Northeast. She wrote an editorial against the Israel, Gaza thing, and they came and kidnapped her off the street, and they were gonna deport her. Yeah. That's right. I saw it. Probably most of the audience saw it, but that's the only one I know of, Wahid. So it's an isolated incident. The president was not even aware of it. He became aware of it, and I don't think it's happened since. So what's your point?
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Well, a lot of it okay. I'll just, I what's that word that we use when we're in in our subject? What is the word?
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Never mind.
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I don't know, man. We did you have another question? I yield.
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I
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I yield. That's the word I was looking for. I yield. Okay. Roger. Okay. Well, if you can go back out in the lobby now. Yes. That is that Dave?
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Yeah. It is. Hi, Roger. Hey, Dave. Yep. I you know, it's I I can't believe that Michael is having such a problem with this. It's so simple.
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Well, don't be that blind. Simple. It's right We don't wanna be that blind. I'm just saying.
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I'm not trying to. I'm just saying a blind man can figure out it with Roger's information. Anybody can. And this guy, this Joshua guy, I've never been to his website. I don't even know if I ever heard of it. I think what'd you call him? Wall builder?
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His name that he goes under is Joshua Wall builder, and his site is SCDM, which means southeastern defense ministry or dot org. And he's got an accompanying site called fam, fam, short for family,guardian,famguardian.org. And he's very prolific. The state of California tried to or somebody tried to shut down his website, and he went to court, defended it, and won. And he's still up, and there's a lot of information on there. I can't say a lot of it's right. I'm not gonna sit there and read volumes of all that stuff. I I dance to my own music here.
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Right. Is he is he an attorney? No.
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Joshua Wallbuilder? I don't believe he is. I believe he's a Well naval guy.
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If he can't see see, and a lot of that is steeped, you know, brainwashing since he was a child. And if he can't see that the civil war and civil rights and the fourteenth amendment are all part and parcel, he's blinder than I am.
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Well, he may be. He evidently is. He thinks the Social Security number is some kind of a nexus to the system, etcetera, etcetera, which, I I just can't believe people still think that.
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Yeah. It's it's it it people got a lot of, like you say you say, we're, you know, patriot mythology, whatever, but it's all about, you know, training since now it it's it's not kindergarten. It's preschool. And they've been indoctrinated. You know, they've figured out how to dumb down and mind control the lab rats for they've been doing it for, you know, over a hundred and fifty years now. So probably since day one. I say it's day one. Yeah. Right. Since man controlled men men, they figured it out, and it's get they're getting, you know, smarter and more diabolical. And, yeah. It but it but it's so simple. Anyway
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It really is. Thank you, Roger. I I can't I can't believe somebody that has studied this would make a statement that the fourteenth amendment doesn't have anything to do with this. That's the most absurd thing I've ever heard somebody say that's educated. Why? Right. That they can't get Social Security. Well, go to, go to the web and look at what is it? S s five, Social Security five? That's where you sign up. And it says, are you a national? It's one of the questions. And there's a pull down menu, and it says, which country? So if other countries can apply to Social Security, we don't have jurisdiction in France and all those places. Does that mean that the IRS could go ding them over in France?
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They may like to, but I don't know if they can. They can. They're not in their jurisdiction.
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You gotta volunteer.
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You volunteer to do
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that. Then they're they're wearing masks, and they're going around kidnapping people. So they're not beyond that. I don't think they're getting done wasn't IRS. That was these Jewish damn high bull safe bastard or whatever they are. Who invented the IRS?
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Well, they did, of course. I mean, go back. They've they're they're tax farmers. Again, how deep you wanna get into this, go read Charles Evans' book on the the effect of taxation on the rise and fall of civilizations. He traces it all the way back to Egypt. They've been history's tax farmers. That's what they call what they're doing to us, tax farming. And it goes back to Egypt.
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Thanks for making it so simple, Roger.
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I use I I'll tell you, Dave. I've I've really taken a lot of effort over a lot of years to try in my mind simplify this to the base elements that I can communicate you to because I want this to spread. And the easier it is to understand, the easier it is to spread. You can cookie cutter it. You get into all that complex stuff, you've lost virtually everybody you're ever gonna have contact with. That's why I do that. There's a method to my madness. I want to see if this message, this truth message that they fear so much, because I've seen it. Okay? I've seen their fear. And if we can get enough people, we can help bring these bastards down. That's what I want. Roger?
Yes. Nancy.
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Hey. Is yeah. You know,
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I guess this is for Michael's benefit and anyone else who has fear around this issue. Before Someone who has recently
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Nancy. Nancy. Hold on. Pull your microphone away from your face. You were super loud and your Okay. Your p's are popping and
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then your s's are hitting.
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You don't wanna hiss your s's or pop your p's. Pull it further away. It's fine.
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Is it better now? Yes, ma'am. Crystal clear.
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There. Okay. Okay.
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Alright. My apologies. Using a different avenue. Well, someone who I helped, to understand this, better recently in the last six months, noted that when she was looking at this information and specifically the revocation of election process and just trying when I was educating her about that whole process. And she know she's here with me that she felt she had a lot of fear come up. Sure. I mean, major, major stuff. And it was Everybody knows. Understand. Yeah. Right. So fear inhibits our critical thinking, our ability to analyze and think rationally. So, and you talk about Pavlov's the different the other, experiments they did that put people into a catatonic state. And the more conditioning, elements of conditioning, it increases that response, that fear response. So it really does take a determination, a really great hunger to push for truth and for freedom, to push through that discomfort, and people have to be willing to be uncomfortable and and go through that. So it's not it's very understandable.
It just depends on what's if you're afraid of your enslavement more than you're afraid of, the enslavers.
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Well, you know, I I well, I let's let's can I rephrase that, Nancy? You serve the one you fear. You serve the one you fear.
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Yeah.
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K? Roger. Is that true or not? Hold on. Let me just finish up. Nancy, you had a little yeah. Is that a true statement? You serve the one you fear or not?
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I understand that I don't necessarily hold that myself because I, you know, I don't necessarily fear God, but I recognize my relationship to creator, and it's more out of love and the truth, the desire Okay. For the truth Right. And anger those who are abusing me or trying to, or who are lying to me. So I don't know. I mean, I I understand that that that that that. Let's reverse it to the dialectic.
[01:23:02] Unknown:
If you serve them, are you fearing them? If you're going to be that's true because it's right. I better I better file this because that might happen to me. Are you fearing them?
[01:23:15] Unknown:
Oh, sure. Yes. I yes. And I recognize my actions
[01:23:19] Unknown:
in the past. If you're serving them in that if you're serving them in that way or you're fearing them in that way, are you serving them? Yeah. You're doing what they they're doing. Yeah. I agree.
[01:23:28] Unknown:
I agree.
[01:23:29] Unknown:
Okay. So now well, hold on. So do you have anything else for Michael or the audience? Mark, I think, is hovering.
[01:23:38] Unknown:
Well, I just think, you know, reading about the court cases, the distinction between the state citizen and the federal, the fourteenth amendment citizen. And and you have to be willing to deprogram deprogram yourself. And every time you read information that's you can verify and counter the programming, you're you're, increasing gaining access to your self empowerment, your god given men god given god given empowerment. And it's that's the work is you deprogramming yourself.
[01:24:11] Unknown:
Yep. One drop at a time. Let me ask Michael a question. Have you seen, have you seen a copy of my book yet, Michael? Michael? No. I have not. I have not. Okay. Well, what I want you to do is to send me an email at radio ranch, no space,@mail,mail,note not g mail, mail dot com. Just send me an email if you would and put Michael in the subject line, and I'll send you back a copy of my book since you don't have an ebook. Which you need to put it on the website probably, Paul. I don't care about giving it away. And in the back is, the original affidavit we had from John and Glenn when we did this originally. And there's just five pages long, and a good three or more pages of it are court sites.
And what I would like for you to do is to get that and open it up and go to the back of the book and read those court sites. There's about three and a half pages of them from the famous cases. And I I want you to do that because it clearly, clearly differentiates the two statuses.
[01:25:27] Unknown:
Right. K?
[01:25:29] Unknown:
Yes, Paul.
[01:25:31] Unknown:
If he goes to the matrix docs Yeah. Clicks on the picture of the book, it will take him directly to Google Drive, and he'll be able to open the document live.
[01:25:43] Unknown:
Okay. You go straight to the website, Michael. So disregard the email and go over the The PDF I can download. Yes. You can. And so well, listen, man. Let me tell you what that is. So we'll just stop here, and let me give you some background. You know, I've I've alluded to the little voice that I heard that, like, got me to get leave the country and the other time. Well, the, the, I went into one of those trances here back in about 02/2005. First time I'd been through this particular one, although I've been through it since. But it was, for about five days, maybe six, and your my whole body just changed. My my metabolism changed.
My mind was racing. You're you can't sleep, but just a whole bunch of these things. I've never been through it before. And out of that experience came an 80 page manuscript. And so I tried to send it to everybody I knew, and it was the basis of all of this. And, I couldn't even get anybody to read it. And so it was after that that this little voice came to me and said, you need to get out. Now and and and I eventually did do that, of course. Now I've thought about this a lot. That book, 80 page manuscript turned into the book. And after that, when I was told to get out of the country is when I had to go get a passport.
And it was when I read the passport application, I found what I've been looking for and put all this together. Okay? So was I told to get out of the country to escape from her my people, you know, or or or was that meant for me to have to go to the post office and get the document for a passport which would give us all the answer? I don't know. Okay? So, anyway, I I do that. I find the answer. Then my my my, teachers are still in federal prison, I think, at that time. And, so I go ahead and get the answer and leave the country, and we're still communicating. And after they get out, we're able to talk more. Well, they didn't understand this.
They'd always been focused on the tax issue. They'd never looked at the jurisdictional issue. And and I almost had to explain this to John and Glenn. Okay? But when they saw what it was and their advanced age and that we really had what was something of great significance here, we were going I got on the radio finally and on Jeff Bennett's show and got to get this out. And I said, well, Bennett, I've got this 80 page manuscript. And he said, well, why don't we turn it into a book and make some shekels? Because all he cares about is frigging money. Okay? And so I took that and gave it to John and Glenn, now realizing what we had.
And Glenn, the expert writer that he is, and John, with his help, edited the whole book into well, it's been called a masterpiece, Michael. I've heard it more than once. I can give you two examples that come right to the forefront of my mind because they were so significant for me. That was in the spring, and they worked on it. Glenn worked on it. We finally got it to publishing standards on, I think, it was, like, December, later that year. And, so we had a chance to promote it the whole time. But after it was released, two weeks later to the day, I got two emails from two different people. One was from Mark, one of Mark's buddies. He didn't know him, but he was worked with Dan Meader. He was one of his illegal research team leaders. Very sharp guy, retired homicide detective down in Naples, Florida.
Knew Jim Ram. They had a mutual friend too. And so Prentice wrote me and said, Roger, your book is a masterpiece. I've read it 10 times in two weeks and got something different out of it every time. Well, that's a hell of a statement. Shocked me. I can't even think of reading a book 10 times much less than two weeks. Okay? So, anyway, compliment. Thank you very much. The second one was a family up around you, Minnesota or Wisconsin or somewhere. And they said, Roger, your book's a masterpiece. We want you to know it's on the family bookshelf next to the Bible. Well, those are two pretty overwhelming quotes for a little old country boy that had an 80 page manuscript.
K? So that's I'll just tell you in the audience that it's on the website. You can get it for free. We don't it's not available in print right now. We'll get to that stage at some point. Gotta get it back up. But, the beautiful part about having the ebook is you've got search functions. And you can put, like, congressman McFadden in there. And every place it's in the book, one of his quotes from his book, it'll show up or whatever else you want. But at the end there, it's the first part is my story. Because I couldn't just take people I didn't think and plunge them into this deep legal stuff. You gotta have something to transition you to it. And so because my father was, in AA for seventeen years before he died, and I'd been to all kinds of AA stuff over the years. And I did it like an AA meeting, and I told my story of how this all happened to me.
And the first half of the book is my story. There's a lot interlaced in there. It's a very e, contempt, it's a very easy breed, a page turner, as I've heard people say. But the first half is that, then there's some definitions. And then the last half is the legal argument that John and Glenn wrote. Now I suggest that you read that at least twice. Okay? There's a lot in there. But you read that, you're not gonna have very much doubt of what the hell is going on here, Michael. Okay? So, anyway, go for you, particularly in your situation, go to the back, the affidavits in the back of the book, and read those three, three and a half pages of court sites on there's clearly two citizenships, this, that, and the others, pounded home over sixty or eighty years.
K? So that's a little background on the book and what you're gonna look at. And, and and particularly for you and what we're talking about here, Michael, concentrate on the, concentrate on those sites because I think that will help you a lot.
[01:32:58] Unknown:
K?
[01:33:00] Unknown:
Now, Merica.
[01:33:05] Unknown:
I was just, gonna say to Michael, if he hasn't sent his affidavit in for the IRS notice that he could set when he does send it in, he can call and check and see if it was received and and entered into the system. And if not, then he can,
[01:33:23] Unknown:
fax it directly to that person. Okay. And there's another way to look at this showing.
[01:33:27] Unknown:
With the affidavit, do you do you think that the if there was any lies in there, Michael, they'd issue you a passport? Michael? Where are you? Hello? Hold on, Boris. I'm having a conversation with Michael. Michael, do you think if there was anything that was in error in this that they'd issue you a passport on it?
[01:33:51] Unknown:
Yeah. You're you're correct.
[01:33:53] Unknown:
K. So just little I'm feeding you. Let's hear from Boris. Boris got involved with us. He's from Puerto Rico and and thanks me profusely because he got out of the tax system, and it was the first vacation he'd ever been able to take because he saved so much money to go visit his family in Puerto Rico. Isn't that right, Boris?
[01:34:14] Unknown:
Yes, sir. And I was scared. Super scared because I have problems with the, criminal system. And I was scared that when I send my passport, they wasn't gonna send it to me, and they were gonna get me. Then they send me my passport. I don't have any problem. And I am free from all taxes, even property taxes, and, my income tax. And I even get all from Amazon. I don't pay any more taxes in Amazon. Everything I order is free of taxes. And it's wise to be to be scared because that's, you know, something that you guys are you that's telling you be precautious. That's fine.
But, you know, this that Roy is teaching us is something that you got all the power. Take out of your mind that something is gonna happen because you create your own reality. And don't be scared because this will make you free for real. Boris, did you say you don't pay anything
[01:35:24] Unknown:
on? Well, you're welcome, man. I figured it's my fault. You're a good citizen. Taxes in Amazon anymore. You do you got I order active in Amazon now. So when you order something, you don't have to pay the state tax like everybody does on Amazon orders. Right? Nothing. Nothing. Nothing, Royer. Nothing. If you order a bunch of I don't pay no tax. That that stuff adds up down there charging it. So good, Boris. Thank you. Michael, what, what's your response to all this? Michael?
[01:36:03] Unknown:
I need to keep hearing it.
[01:36:05] Unknown:
Okay. Well, we'll keep telling you.
[01:36:08] Unknown:
I'll keep feeding you people. New students. Right? I I came on this morning to ask you some questions and Yeah. Good. You're you're I'll I'll be the new student again for everybody to listen. Fantastic. There's nothing wrong with that. That's excellent, and we love it because I'd rather talk about this than lose my mind over Iran and everything that's going on over there. That is 100%. I'd rather have you beat me up and keep talking and talking to me and let everybody keep hearing it then you keep talking about Iran and Jews, and I'd rather keep hearing this. Right. Well, it's, it's where the rubber meets the road. And as all the listeners will tell you, we got somewhere around been around here a long time.
[01:36:49] Unknown:
You cannot hear these basics enough. You just can't hear them enough. And and even and here's one of the reasons is the first time you hear them, you're in a different learning mode. You've gotten to a certain point. And then the next time you hear them, you've grown. And when you hear them again, you see different things in them that you didn't see before. I think that's a big part of it. K? And as Brent Winter said on here one day years and years and years ago, he said, you know, when you learn the basics, anything's easy. And, boy, that's true.
K? So we're happy to do that with you, Michael, and it helps everybody else too. And we got people that are listening, maybe just stumbled into us. We're getting a few new people, not as many as I'd like, but in all honesty, we've never got as many as I'd like with the exception of the worst interview I ever did. And for me, the worst interview I ever did got me without a doubt overwhelmingly the most response. Incredible to me, but that's truth. And that was the Sarah Westall interview that got Paul here and, a number of other folks. And why that happened, Sam, I do not know. And all he heard was one of the three different, things she edited it. Third hour. So That was it. Why I don't know. I don't know why that is. I don't know why this hit certain people. I don't know why certain people like you are have been more susceptible to their conditioning.
I I don't I don't have an answer for all those things. I wish I did. Right. I do have partial answer, and the receptivity of the information with the individual, believe has something to do with their spirituality gene. Now they don't have to be real spiritual at the time, but it converts them into that or some people are and they see it. And some people see it immediately. Others like yourself, I'm not picking on you. Others, like yourself, just takes a lot longer. And I I don't I don't have an answer for that, Michael. I wish I did. Let's see here holding while he's in the bathroom again.
[01:39:08] Unknown:
Betty, you I got a you know, you're lucky. Quick chime in. Okay. Go ahead. Some people, even if you don't, there's something that, like, a reverberation, I call it. You just feel it. You don't understand it at first, but you feel that there's
[01:39:23] Unknown:
such a depth of truth there. Yep. It's first time I ever heard it. I didn't understand all this high legal stuff. My head was spinning like Dorothy and the Exorcist. But I walked out of there going, hell, there's something of great substance here, and that's what keeps you investigating. And the more you investigate, the sounder it becomes. And then at some point, when you've got that information in you, you start getting re empowered. And I think what's happening there is you're getting connected back to God and getting the powers and the rights you were supposed to get at birth that Esau Edom here stole from you the minute your feet exited mom's birth canal. You weren't born until your feet came out unless you're a breech birth. Okay? You weren't born until your feet came out. The minute your feet popped out, you were born under the fourteenth amendment, and they threw this blanket on you.
[01:40:17] Unknown:
Hey, Raj. Yes, Paul. I came to the program under the most unlikely of circumstances. I had heard of Sarah Westall, but I very, very rarely got, got to watch or listen to any of her interviews. I got the link through Skype, which I very, very rarely ran because it basically throws my computer for a loop. The most unlikely of people to have forwarded the third hour of that interview to me was doc Peter Gosselin, the, hemp paste and canopaste guy. He normally does not send me things like that. So Peter sent me the link in Skype, which I rarely use, about an interviewer that I rarely watch about the third hour of a three hour interview, and that's why I'm here. The most unlikely of circumstances.
[01:41:12] Unknown:
See what I did, Michael. Her a friend of mine hooked me up with miss Westall. And, so when we were talking right before she started the interview, I made the mistake of telling her that I like conversational interviews. Boy, did she take me seriously. Okay? And that's why I say it was the worst one I did. She kept damn interrupting me. But whatever it was caused an unbelievable response because I didn't even have a a website that was worse in and out or anything. And I got so many requests for information that I stayed up an entire all night long answering them.
I have no idea how many there were, but there were a bunch of them. And there's where Paul comes into the picture. Let me throw you up this website. That's why we got the website. All that happened off the worst interview I think I ever did. So whatever that's worth. What was happening at that time was,
[01:42:12] Unknown:
he had so few responses that he just had a document that he would copy and paste into an email. So he was asking people, send me an email at radio rant or Yeah. To [email protected], and I'll send you information. Well, I took that information that was in that email, and I said, look. This guy's gonna go nuts if he's physically touching every single response. Let's see if we can put this up on the web. And I
[01:42:43] Unknown:
It was quite labor intensive. I'll tell you that.
[01:42:46] Unknown:
Absolutely. You know what? Maybe to get the message out maybe to get the message out, we should, we should take a clue from some of, like, the more brilliant examples of, like, advertising and promotion. Like, there was a there was a singles ad. A singles ad in the paper. It read single black female seeks male companionship. Ethnicity not important. I'm a very good looking girl who loves to play. I love long walks in the in the woods, pickup trucks, hunting, camping, and fishing trips, cozy winter nights lying by the fire. Candlelit dinners will have me eating out of your hand. When you get home from work, I will be at the front door wearing only what nature gave me. Call 404 blank blank blank blank blank blank and ask for Daisy.
Well, after that ad, over 1,500 men found themselves talking to the Atlanta, Georgia Humane Society about an eight week old lab called Daisy.
[01:43:48] Unknown:
Yeah. What did I hear? So is it who who did who's saying this last night or this morning? Said you wanna stop all wars? Paul, you wanna stop all wars? Yeah. Yeah. Put the, And only let only naked women fight them. And then the men will just sit back and watch. Yeah. Or Nobody's solution. Thought it was interesting.
[01:44:15] Unknown:
Or put the kids of the legislators on the front lines.
[01:44:19] Unknown:
Well, there you go. Yeah. I wanna see Hey, Roger. Hey, Roger. Hey. Roger, I think if they went your route, men would just be trying to start more. I don't know. I'm just saying I don't know either, Lisa. But they would bring cameras. Idea. I thought it was interesting. We don't borrow any suggestions here. I'm thinking the only talk to people who have to go in the bathroom to talk to us. Wahid, what do you got? I'm thinking the only the only shots that would be taken would be with cameras and not guns.
[01:44:47] Unknown:
Go ahead, Wahid.
[01:44:49] Unknown:
Some of them you may not wanna look at. Yeah. Go ahead, Wahid.
[01:44:54] Unknown:
Yeah. Are they are they are they all are all of the 600 agencies. All of them are that that came about after 1933. All of them are unconstitutional.
[01:45:06] Unknown:
Correct? No. They're not unconstitutional. That's not right. They're extra constitutional in bankruptcy, but they're not unconstitutional or the courts would have thrown this out long ago,
[01:45:26] Unknown:
Extra constitution. Yeah. I heard you say that earlier, but I just caught the tail end of it.
[01:45:33] Unknown:
Okay. Well, there I gave you the front end of it here. So what else?
[01:45:42] Unknown:
I I, what's that word? I keep forgetting that word. I resist. What's that word we use when we wanna end our? I yield. I yield. I yield.
[01:45:53] Unknown:
Yield.
[01:45:54] Unknown:
I resent my dear Roger.
[01:45:56] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, you could go back into CB language and say over.
[01:46:01] Unknown:
Okay?
[01:46:06] Unknown:
Okay. There your your CB handle will be bathroom buster. Is that okay, bathroom buster? +1 04. +1 04. There you go. See? No.
[01:46:19] Unknown:
We'll just call him when you were driving. We'll just call him +1 0100.
[01:46:24] Unknown:
Okay. +1 0100. What do you what was your handle when you were driving?
[01:46:28] Unknown:
Well, it depend it would depend.
[01:46:32] Unknown:
Oh, you change handles. Well, I was in the music business when Convoy came out, and it was on it was on a sister label that was in our in our our our distribution group there. And then we got one. See if you ever heard this one. Well, guy had an advertising agency out of Greenville, and he called himself Cletus Maggard, the white knight. Did you ever hear that? Cletus Maggard and the white knight?
[01:46:59] Unknown:
No.
[01:47:01] Unknown:
Hey. We it was a competitor thing, so I was steeped in all that back then. And, so ten four, good buddy.
[01:47:10] Unknown:
I I called myself the white stag when I was a teenager and had a base station at home. And when I was on the road, I either called myself, deficit spending or easy money depending on how much I had in my pocket at the time.
[01:47:29] Unknown:
Well, that's a unique handle handles. Okay. So, let's see what else. Did we exhaust Wahid's questions? Does he send can we send him back to the lobby or what?
[01:47:41] Unknown:
Yeah. And, Wahid, I think your handle will be +1 0100.
[01:47:44] Unknown:
I don't mean the Israeli lobby. Don't take me wrong. We're gonna send him back to the bank lobby. Wahid, are you finished? Are you over? I think he might be.
[01:47:54] Unknown:
Yeah. I think his handle should be +1 0100. You know, are we secret the Knesset the Knesset the Knesset in Israel is more powerful than our congress, and I think that's our actual congress, the Israeli Knesset.
[01:48:11] Unknown:
Well, hell, there's some that wouldn't argue with you. They certainly control Congress. You know, have any of you watched the whole TED or Tel Aviv TED? You know, that's what his name is now. Tel Aviv, Ted Cruz, interview with, mister car, mister Tucker. I've heard some nice. Whole thing on that? It's very interesting. You might have seen some snippets in there. But, boy, if you wanna talk about a dead giveaway, and they're going, well, Tucker's cornering on being with APAC. Well, they're really not very effective. They they they they really don't do very good work. And he's in there, DISAN, APAC, the most organized.
These people are all highly organized. When the ships from Europe, a hundred years ago, started hitting New York Harbor there at what's the, Ellis Island? Isn't that it, Paul? Mhmm. Where they went through all the immigration, Ellis Island, wouldn't it? When they started hitting New York, the cry was organize, organize, organize among the Jews. And you see the result. You see the result of that. These people are highly organized, and nothing goes on in those congressional offices that they mostly don't know about because everyone in congress, with the exception of Marjorie Taylor Greene and and and and this fellow from Kentucky, everybody's got an APAC person in their office Yeah. In the office embedded in their office staff.
[01:49:50] Unknown:
I have a solution.
[01:49:52] Unknown:
Jeff Jeff Berwick said the other Jeff Berwick has the tape of the guy saying that we write the script,
[01:50:01] Unknown:
and we know that somebody said it's like a movie. Yeah. They write their script. That was an interview with a Mossad officer who was cloaked on TV. I saw another I saw it again the other day. That's what it is.
[01:50:14] Unknown:
It's where he got it. Paul, what were you gonna say that why you I have the jumped in there? I have the solution to our problem, but it would take an act of God to get it done. We need no one in government, no one, period, that it has dual citizenship. They're either all in The United States or they're out.
[01:50:37] Unknown:
Okay. Done. Well, that would affect an awful lot of people besides the Israelis.
[01:50:42] Unknown:
Yep.
[01:50:43] Unknown:
We got a lot of Americans down here that have Ecuadorian and US citizenship.
[01:50:48] Unknown:
Yeah. But you're not in office
[01:50:51] Unknown:
In order to hold public office You said in off oh, okay. I didn't I didn't get that, boy. That'd be excellent.
[01:50:57] Unknown:
Yeah. In order to hold public office, they have to be all into The United States and not have dual citizenship.
[01:51:05] Unknown:
Mhmm. There you go. So,
[01:51:11] Unknown:
Hey. I I have another little tidbit FYI. Yes. Sure. Because we talk about a lot of the administrative agencies being implemented after '33. The FDA was was started in nineteen o six.
[01:51:30] Unknown:
Yeah. But it was a cabinet level office, an executive office. It wasn't an agency. They same with secretary of state. Well, they've turned all those cabinet offices into agents agencies. K? You you understand what I just said?
[01:51:49] Unknown:
I mean, I know it's the Food and Drug Administration, but then it's saying a federal agency, which, yeah, I don't know if it's was done. But
[01:51:57] Unknown:
but that was It was started
[01:51:59] Unknown:
It started out as a as a division of chemistry.
[01:52:02] Unknown:
Yes. It was made started, I believe, to make sure that the ingredients that are listed on labels were correct. And I I and that was a very innocent origin, And it's grown into a frigging monstrosity. And, thank God Robert Kennedy's in there and making some changes, some pretty important ones. You know, he changed out every member on the CDC board, on the vaccine board. There's, like, 21 of them. He fired all the other ones, brought in totally new people. So good on you, Robert Kennedy. K? I think it was originally, brought up as a a cabinet agency, and and they converted all of those to agencies.
[01:52:49] Unknown:
Right. And bureaus. It was a it was a bureau also. There you go. There you go. There you go.
[01:52:54] Unknown:
Alright. Somebody That's why I chat. Somebody wrote that William wrote the chat. It's really funny. He said, Roger should make another appearance on Sarah Westall.
[01:53:07] Unknown:
Well, if she calls me back, I'll go on with her again. She tried to her big friend is SGT report. They're both in Minneapolis, and, she suggested to, Sean over there to pick me up, but he'd rather run all these other people that don't know what they're talking about. So we've never made many inroads since then. I don't believe Sarah had any idea of what we were talking about just like Joyce Riley didn't. But, how about the fact that I got all that off Sarah Westall, Wahib, and I don't believe we got one person off two separate appearances on Jeff Rents with his huge audience. How balance that out for me.
[01:53:49] Unknown:
Well, you that would be a good idea that would be a good idea going on the STG report.
[01:53:56] Unknown:
Well, if you'll ask me, I'll do it. Wahiba, I don't turn these people down. We had some new guy last week who didn't communicate with me very well. Julie was the intermediary. People are telling me I'm on. I never get a link. I never get confirmation and and I've never heard from him since. So what am I supposed to do? Go chasing him down? I don't do that anymore. I don't chase people down anymore. We got the goods. They come to me. And the reason for it is out of everybody I've ever contacted, I've never had even one reply ever.
So it's not for me to be staying there and telling you I've got the answer. Third party people, it's you people, right, and Jeff Rents, that got that happening. And it's you guys that have got to spread the message. I when I tell people I've got the answer, they look at me like I'm crazy. Yes. Who was right? Hey, Roger there.
[01:55:08] Unknown:
It's it's Dave. If you hamstring them, you don't gotta chase them.
[01:55:14] Unknown:
I just don't chase people anymore with this. I've learned that the see, here's the big thing I learned. We've got two types of power here. We've got black power, dark power, if you will, evil power, and we've got white power or good power. Dark power has to reach out and touch you to affect its power. They if you're not interacting with them, they can't exercise their power, can they? Well, they can do a little bit mentally and get you scared and stuff. I agree with that. That's why that's there. But if they're gonna do something to you, they gotta reach out and touch you. White power, good power attracts.
People see what it is and they want it and they come to it like a moth to the flame. There's the dialectical and dark and and light power. So I want people to come if you, cause I can't go. Here's the real reason. If I go beat you up with this, you're not going to do what's required. If you don't want to do it, you're not going to do the reading. You're not going to do the thinking. You're You're not gonna do the studying for you to get you where you wanna be. If I tell you you gotta do it or you pay me to do it, then you're gonna run off and just go about your life the way you always have. And if that happens, nothing changes.
The world doesn't change. You've got to be the change. So if you're not really interested in what's here, you're not gonna do what it takes to go through and get the change. And if that doesn't happen, I'm wasting my time with you. So I only deal with people that come to me. Capisce? I'm telling you, there's nothing that we do here that has not been thoroughly and completely thought out and thought through. I've been, because I haven't been able to shake this stuff from my mind for about thirty three and a half years or thirty two and a half or whatever the hell it is, that comes up here next month.
But we got the answer. Our guys, they they don't come back on us. They stand there mute, and they try and do all this double shuffling, and, no, it doesn't exist. No. Well, that's just total bullshit. It exists all over the place. K? And, and if you get that kind of person you're dealing with, if you don't know your stuff, you can't defend your position. So if you don't learn the information, everything always comes back to that, learning the information. That's what allows all these other things to happen in you and these changes where, yes, something changes, you.
Now let's get a bunch of people like that, and collectively, we very well may just can change the world a little bit because that's the power of what we've got here. That's what keeps me going. K? Yes.
[01:58:22] Unknown:
Jesse. Jesse. I read certain verses in the Bible, and every time I read that, I've been thinking in the last couple of months, the circumstances that when you are preaching, in certain ways, the freedom and being under the umbrella of god given rights and, instead of, rights from, satanical citizenship. And, I would like to read two verses, and it relates to why people don't hear
[01:58:55] Unknown:
when you're telling the truth.
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Mhmm.
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Let me get the verse. It's acts acts two thirty six to 38. And, at the end of 36, it says, Jesus, when you crucify both Lord and Messiah. You know, it's Peter. He's preaching the day of Pentacle when Christianity was officially, people were converting and receiving the truth. In verse 37, this could be Michael and many of us, when he says, when the people heard this, because of the truth being natural, what do you need to be saved? They were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other Abato, brothers, what shall we do? You know, sometime, some people won't get caught in the heart because they don't follow the truth.
But Peter's and the people there said, what should we do? And Peter answered in 38. Peter replied, repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for forgiveness and and receive the Holy Ghost. You know, you give them the solutions like you have. They ask you what is the solution for freedom. You give them the truth and you give them the remedy, but sometimes they're not caught in their hearts. So that keep on going their way, but the truth will never be popular.
[02:00:21] Unknown:
Well That's my truth. As well as like the mention, I wish we had to mention I could Go ahead. I'm sorry. I consider you
[02:00:31] Unknown:
as a as a model, Peter, in many ways.
[02:00:36] Unknown:
Thank you, Jesse. I wish we had time to pull pull up and play the, H. L. Menken quote there. It says exactly the same thing. And maybe we'll have time to do that tomorrow. Between now and then key it up, we'll mention it now and see if we can play it tomorrow because, boy, it's just like the bible and it's dead accurate. Anyway, thanks for being with us. Michael, thank you for coming forward again and letting us go back and do all this, basic stuff over. I hope you got something more out of it today than maybe you have previously. So, anyway, you continue to come back. We'll continue to feed you, and we just want everybody that's moved by this information, we want you to be free and back under god's protections.
So, hopefully, we'll see you tomorrow.
[02:01:24] Unknown:
Thank you, Roger.
[02:01:26] Unknown:
Michael, you're very welcome, man. I'm very sincere. We're not gonna beat you up, but I would just feed you as much as you need.
[02:01:36] Unknown:
Roger?
[02:01:37] Unknown:
Yes, sir. Samuel. Yes. Yes, sir. Hi.
[02:01:42] Unknown:
I just I was, I was working, but I I couldn't chime in at the time. But when this guy's I'd never read anything from this guy again. I used to think Wall Builder had something to say. But if he thinks the fourteenth amendment is a is some kind of virtue, the guy is so far off base. I mean, what do you need? Something you know, it eliminated the bill of rights. Right? It gave us law like Roe versus Wade. Right? It eliminated the republic and gave us a democracy, and it turned us all into feudal slaves. And he thinks it's it's wondrous?
[02:02:20] Unknown:
I mean, what a moron. Well, he thinks I put too much emphasis on it. Now that was written a while back. He may have changed by now. People certainly have the freedom to change. It's just a misinterpretation. And as I tell y'all, the real blessing that I've had with this was being a student of John w Benson and knowing this old law. If if I would never been exposed to that, I don't know that I would have been able to accomplish what we've accomplished, Samuel.
[02:02:50] Unknown:
Once again Yeah. Right. Right. I've left the day that I heard your message. Yeah. There you go. Those the slim chance.
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And maybe maybe Michael hadn't heard this yet. The, the slim chance that in 1992 in late July or early August that I was contacted by someone, who told me about the tax movement, first of all. I'd never known about that. And then to feed us, this is these guys in town, they only taught for six months. I think Atlanta was the second or third place they taught. So they must have started in July, and they didn't let them go. I arrested and let them go until about November, October late November, October sometime, and then they raided all three offices, held them all in the floor with locks at their heads.
You the federal government doesn't act that quickly today to anything. That was thirty something years ago, so that was the first tip-off. But the fact that out of let's say we had 300,000,000 people back then. Out of 300,000,000 people in the country, in the six months they taught, 1,200 of us were exposed to it and had some kind of motivation to go pay and go through the course. And, out of that 1,200, I was the only one that took this information further because none of them did. That's the slim chance that we're on here today, folks, that you people are exposed to that. One out of three hundred million thirty three years ago.
Only one that took it further. So there you go. It's just a it's a miracle that we're here. So for whatever that's worth, those are the kind of things I think about. Now, we got lunch today and, and, go take a shower and stuff and head off to be with these good people and then right after I answer Julie's question. Yes, ma'am.
[02:05:05] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. I just have a quick question, for you, Roger. How come so I know Sean from SGT report. I could I I can see if he'll have you on his show. He's he's kind of hot headed. He's he's, controversial for me at least, but I can see if I can get him on your show. And regarding the, regarding the other guy, Kevin Hoyt, I haven't been able to reach him. I do believe he is in danger. They're trying to get rid of him because of the information he possesses, but I know he's a man of his word, and I know that he wants you a 100% on a show. It's just a matter of when he he'll reach out to me when he gets
[02:05:46] Unknown:
It it sounds to me like from what you've told me that he damn sure needs our information more than anybody. So, hopefully, he gets out of that She does. Out of that situation. I would be glad to do the interview. I got no problem with that. Sean, the SGT would rather talk to people that think it's admiralty law and you're a ship sailing on the line. I know. Buddy, and he likes to go down all that crap. So I Todd Callender. Todd Callender. Well, Todd, I Yeah. I spent Julie. Yvonne. Right? Julie. I spent two hours on the phone with Todd Callender explaining this, and he didn't get it either.
[02:06:26] Unknown:
And, you know, here's the other thing that's very weird. These a lot of these shows are featuring Paymon Maqedeh, who's Iranian, and he doesn't promote you becoming a national. He just says she don't have to pay taxes. And he but he doesn't do the national thing, so I don't understand where he's coming from. Some of his videos on Would you like to understand?
[02:06:48] Unknown:
Would you like to understand where he's coming from? All the anybody that goes and goes through his course, he gives the host a kickback. That's where he's coming from.
[02:07:02] Unknown:
Say that again. I didn't hear you.
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Everybody that goes through his core course from a show, he takes a percentage and gives the host a kickback. That's why they have him on there.
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But then why does,
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but how do these people get out of paying taxes if they're not nationals? Then I don't understand what he's doing. I don't look. I don't claim to have the only thing that works. I don't know. I hadn't gone and studied his stuff. I I don't know why the IRS doesn't club him. It goes to show that there's more than one loophole in the thing to me. Maybe Michael needs to go over and pay Peyton and go through his course. But that's the reason he's on a lot of other shows regularly is because they get a kickback off people who join and go through his course. I don't charge. I can't do that.
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Well, maybe you should.
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Just just tell me. Want to. I don't want to. I don't wanna keep up with it. I don't give a damn about money.
[02:08:02] Unknown:
But no. No. No. No. No. You don't get it. Just tell the host, you have me on your program. Any, any students I get from your program, I'll give you 10%.
[02:08:14] Unknown:
I'll give you a yeah. That's right. I'll give you 10%. Figure out.
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And 20 attaboys.
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You get 20 attaboys for absolutely nothing.
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Mhmm.
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For some You can tell them that really, I've just gotten to the point where I I said, I know what I'm supposed to do. I can't open that door. I tried for years. It's frustrating, and it made me wanna quit. I got aggravated and pissed off, and I realized I just don't wanna do that. I don't wanna ruin my day that way, and that this is God's plan. It's God's work. He let him do this shit to us. It appears that he guided us to find a solution, and his people are gonna be the ones that respond to it. That's the only thing I go on right there. When I think we got a lot to play here. There's some big things building. Now we got all kind of things building around us and pressures and all these situations. At some point, this message is gonna become even more important.
And when that event and time comes, he'll open the door for us. That's my belief. He wants to use this for maximum effect, and it's powerful enough to potentially help take these bastards down or maybe even in the right set of circumstances, take them down. And I don't know about that. I can't worry about that. All I wanna do is find people that are attracted to the message like Michael that don't might not understand and explain it to them in the simplest way that I can so that they can make a wise decision. My job is to tell you you've got a choice that you didn't know you had. And if you wanna pursue it, explain it to you and help you go through it. That's what I consider to be my job.
[02:10:04] Unknown:
Hey, Raj.
[02:10:05] Unknown:
Yes, sir.
[02:10:07] Unknown:
Maybe you can, offer cross promotion for their program because we have had, almost 24,000 downloads of your archives. It's not including the live listeners. You've had Uh-huh. Almost 24,000 downloads since 01/01/2025.
[02:10:29] Unknown:
Well, maybe Jeff Rents is right. Maybe we do have a large audience. Maybe it's growing. I don't know why some of them with that number don't show up here. May maybe they're all gainfully employed. I don't have answers to any of those questions. The only thing I know is to get on here as as six days a week and open up this microphone and say, anybody that has any questions or comments on the subject matter that we primarily cover here, and that's the reason we're here.
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Right.
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And if you don't, we'll talk about whatever. Yes. Yes, Larry.
[02:11:07] Unknown:
Yeah. Here's your verse for the day. Proverbs twenty five two, it is the glory of God to conceal a thing, but the honor of kings just is to search out a matter.
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I'd say it's pretty accurate. You know? Basically, you wanna draw some more corollaries. We're like King Arthur. We pulled Excalibur out of the stone. Mhmm. That's what we've got is Excalibur. So that doesn't mean I'm staying at a hotel in Las Vegas. Doesn't have anything to do with that. Okay? It's just Excalibur is the sword. It's razor sharp. It cuts both ways, and they're scared as hell out of it. I'll tell you that. They've had it. Now they don't have it anymore. We've got it. You don't see them coming and trying to take it away. All you see is them staying mute. Oh, they'll send you a bluff letter. They'll try and scare you. That's the only thing they've got to fall back on anymore.
But we've beaten them. And, you know, just boy, thank glory to god. Okay? So, anyway, I'm Roger. Yes, Larry. What you're gonna ask, does it have anything to do with food?
[02:12:33] Unknown:
No. I was just gonna say they may send you a bluff letter, but remember, it's the new and improved bluff letter. They don't send me miss Robinson.
[02:12:41] Unknown:
They don't send me craps as they stole that $35,000 that I'm in the process of getting back.
[02:12:47] Unknown:
They don't send me nothing, buddy. Yeah. I do have a food related comment. Okay. When you're trying to figure out what to eat for lunch today
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That's always the big decision.
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Just remember, you know, when you buy a bag of salad and it gets all brown and soggy, cookies don't do that. I'm just saying.
[02:13:08] Unknown:
Okay. Well, that's probably wise advice. Now the brownies, sometimes they serve as brownies, and they're they're some bitches are so hard they could be used as bricks. If you throw it against the table, probably bust the table. It happened one time. It's been a joke. So, anyway
[02:13:28] Unknown:
Bob, cookies don't get Yeah. Go ahead. Bob, your cookies don't get like that because, the salad don't got chemicals. The cookies got a lot of artificial chemicals.
[02:13:39] Unknown:
Probably do. Probably right, Boris. Michael, thanks for stepping forward. Always nice to talk to you. And, we appreciate you coming around, and it spurns all this other stuff. And we go off and have other folks, give their perspective and experience. So, if you and Michael listens all the time, I guess. So thanks for coming forward today. It took the pressure off all this other garbage and of me yelling at those bloodthirsty bastards. Is that they just they screwed Trump again. You saw that last night. They're you know? He well, we got peace. I got agreements. So they should shoot off a volley of, rockets. Israel, the bastards. I mean, they're just trying to directly screw with Trump is what is what it it becomes more apparent with every volley.
So, anyway, we'll be back tomorrow. If you got something, save it. And, and we'll see what happens between now and then. So fair, fair? Fair, fair. Fair, fair. Have a great day. I'm gonna go hang out with the boys and girls here and talk stuff, probably a bunch of geopolitical stuff. So, anyway, we'll see you tomorrow. Thank you, Boris. And, I love each and every one of you because of who you are. So see you tomorrow. Ciao. Have a great day.
[02:15:03] Unknown:
Love you back. Hey. By the way, Paul Yes? I heard you yesterday something about if I time out and and refresh or something real fast, and I wouldn't lose the chat.
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Yeah.
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So so was it if I do I have to refer I timed out, and I lost everything. And I, buddy, I came right back.
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Really?
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Because I was in the midst of trying to get part of the chat for Murr, and and yep. It was gone. But luckily, the part that she had missed was things we had put in preshow. It was Brent's things, and I and I actually had them open. So so I still had access to them. Mhmm. But I well, chat did go away. So what was it that you do I have to refresh or what? Well, I don't know. I think that it works that way with the app,
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but I don't think it works that way with the web version.
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Oh, I was thinking you said it the other way.
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And can I ask a question? Why was my mic muted the last two minutes? Now.
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Now.
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Because Can I ask longer because I muted the last two minutes? I kept saying, hey, Roger. Hey, Roger.
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Because he was trying to It happens to me too, but he he happens.
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He was trying to end the show and get on with his lunch.
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Because I was gonna ask
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I was gonna oh god. I forgot what I was gonna ask because you need to Is it in the chat? That's the new and improved IRS letter that's in the chat? Was that Yes. That that you may have remembered? That was it. Yes. And and you even typed it and you still can't remember it?
[02:17:08] Unknown:
My senior moments are getting closer and closer together. Well, that's because you live in the land of fruits and nuts.
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Too much aluminum, Jah. You need Masterpiece.
[02:17:26] Unknown:
Masterpiece is a rapper. Masterpiece.
[02:17:29] Unknown:
No. No. Masterpiece It's no. Not talking about the wrapper. I'm talking about the detox.
[02:17:37] Unknown:
It's poison. I'm telling you that stuff is poison. I had such a bad adverse reaction from that.
[02:17:44] Unknown:
Yeah. You'll get a bad bad reaction because it was taking your your, bad stuff out of your body, and that's what happened. When you take it,
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it takes all your
[02:17:56] Unknown:
I'm sorry?
[02:17:59] Unknown:
That's called that I think it's pronounced Herxheimer effect where
[02:18:03] Unknown:
your detoxing too fast. Not a normal Herxing action. I literally felt like somebody was stabbing me in the back of my eyeball, and I was having eye issues that were so severe. And I've heard that those tests that were done on that are not accurate. And I've also heard that, that, that is just zeolite and that and zeolite is not good for you. So I just use chlorine dioxide for metal detox. It's safer.
[02:18:32] Unknown:
Well Hey. You know, I just need everything
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is not right for everybody. You know? It's not everything that you take is good for you.
[02:18:39] Unknown:
Can I ask a quick question? I'm sorry. I don't mean to interrupt you and Sarah. But is is is Epsom salt good, as a dire a diuretic or as a, to remove? Do you know anything? Because somebody had told me that you could take a tablespoon of the of Epsom salt, put it in a glass of water, and it'll help you flush out everything in your do you guys know if there's any truth to that?
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Don't do it at work. That's a good source of magnesium.
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Don't do it at
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work. Oh, you have heard you've heard of it. Been in Japan.
[02:19:15] Unknown:
Yeah. Don't Did you did you you've heard of it, Paul? Don't do it at work or you'll be spending a lot more time than just when you're talking on the show in the bathroom.
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And you could just put it in a water and do a foot soak too, and you'll absorb, and it'll be much less
[02:19:31] Unknown:
Yeah. Likely to cause the stomach issues. Right. You mean you mean I could put Epsom salt in bathwater, and it'll do the same thing? Yep.
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Your skin is very porous. You know? It absorbs a lot. So
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Your skin is But you guys have heard of you guys have heard of Epsom salt in a glass of water. Yeah.
[02:19:53] Unknown:
You could you could stick your Yeah. Yeah. I hate when you your head out too.
[02:19:57] Unknown:
When you take a shower, you absorb six to eight ounces of water every time you take a a shower through your skin.
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And if you have city water, all the chemicals that are in there, not only is your skin absorbing them, but you're also breathing them in through the steam and stuff. So Yeah. It's a lovely, lovely setup they have there.
[02:20:18] Unknown:
Yeah. But you can use you can use you can use that that thing that that thing that Alex Jones sells, that water filters. What do you guys think of that?
[02:20:28] Unknown:
Do you know Epsom salts also is good for you can put it in your garden as a good source of magnesium for a natural fertilizer.
[02:20:47] Unknown:
Must be talking I must be talking really loud because the manager of the, the manager of the property manager hears me.
[02:20:54] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. You are talking pretty loud.
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Oh.
[02:21:02] Unknown:
Hey, Barry. Hey, Barry. Yes.
[02:21:08] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. Uh-huh. Jones. How can I help you?
[02:21:12] Unknown:
Hi. Yes. The Amazon still pays, sales tax credit. Was that a complicated thing to go to apply? Or No. No.
[02:21:25] Unknown:
No. No. No complicated at all. No. You just I just went to the tab to send session. They tell me to send a certificate. The certificate is, form that your state give you, right, to be. It's the same one that I use at work. I send them that with my affidavit and the letter that I sent to the IRS, and that was all. Couple hours later, they tell me that everything was set up, to wait fifty minutes, and my account was going to be that sent. And that's how it was.
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Okay. Good.
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Yes. Very good.
[02:22:14] Unknown:
What account was that, Bori?
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I'm sorry?
[02:22:19] Unknown:
What what account was that?
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Amazon.
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Amazon. Okay. Amazon. Yeah. Yes.
[02:22:28] Unknown:
Yeah. Amazon. Yes. And I did the same thing to the property taxes. I did the same thing. I send everything, the, the affidavit, the papers that I sent to the IRS. I even send them, the, certificate of nationality. I send them that, and everything went smooth. That's it. They told me, oh, do you wanna pay? Do do you wanna make an arrangement? I tell them no because I don't owe you nothing. Who did
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you send? Who did you send the property tax issue to?
[02:23:11] Unknown:
To my, the city of Williamsburg, the one that is in charge of the property taxes. He's like I forgot the name. But he's in charge of the taxes in the county.
[02:23:27] Unknown:
May I ask how much is that to the world? Was it the county treasurer, Bory Bory, that two line is something? Yes.
[02:23:35] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. I even I think I got it here. Let me see. Let me check my email. I tell you right now.
[02:23:44] Unknown:
It it was for his automobile. For his automobile, Samuel.
[02:23:49] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. But it it doesn't it doesn't matter. Property taxes are property taxes, you know. Just Yeah. I I bet you that a lot of people haven't pushed the property taxes for for the house. They haven't pushed the envelope and send the the paperwork to be taxes sent from their, you know, from their house taxes.
[02:24:14] Unknown:
Okay. I I was I was unclear when you said property tax. I thought you meant, land.
[02:24:21] Unknown:
Well, and but it's it's it's almost the same because when you pay property taxes in your house or in your car, they don't tell you that they are off your car or your house. The property that they charge is on you, on your person. That's why they put a link on you. You know?
[02:24:39] Unknown:
Yeah. Okay. Well, that's fair enough. That's that's understandable. Paul, I was gonna ask you earlier, one of those things that I've never gotten a copy of is the 66 questions by Al Adas. I was wondering, do do you have those posted? Yeah. They're right on matrix. Yeah. They're right on the matrix docs under downloadables
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in the download section. Cool. Right there.
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Thank you.
[02:25:11] Unknown:
No problem.
[02:25:21] Unknown:
Hey, Paul. Yeah. Hey, Paul. Yeah. Do you remember about, I don't know, two weeks or three weeks or four or however long ago, we were on the after show, everybody here. And Samuel was mentioning mentioning how he was flying and well, first of all, he did some, I think, MMS, or and then he and then he was he had a code or something, and then then something I can't remember the order and then something then he took some turpentine. He said that knocked it out, I think he said. And then you came on brilliantly and said, oh, well, the reason all that works, Samuel was smart. And and Paul said, oh, it was because you you you took a parasite, an antiparasitic for so many days, and then you quit for so many days, and then you took another one.
Do you remember all that, Paul? And do you remember the sequence of the days and the Yeah. Let well, yeah. Let me ex let me explain. Let me explain it to you.
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Adult Paris says Before you explain that to her, it was to the department attestation, the wrong to me. Department attestation from the commonwealth of Virginia.
[02:26:50] Unknown:
Okay. Department of taxation. Thank you. Alright. Oh, taxation. Yes, sir. Okay. I tell you I I I tell you how to how to do that and why that happens. Do some people, they'll do a Right. They'll do a cleanse, they'll do a detox, they'll do an anti parasitic cleanse. They don't do it all the way through and then they stop. Well, when there's a pair parasites in your body, they're happily, merrily, laying millions of eggs in your body. But because the parasites are greedy, kinda narcissistic, they emit an enzyme that pro that inhibits the hatching of those eggs, because a parasite doesn't wanna have to compete for food.
So when you do a parasitic cleanse, it kills the live parasites. That enzyme is no longer being released, so all of these eggs, millions of them, were being
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inhibited I don't have a fish eye. From
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from hatching I bet she can be it, but
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Bruce, can you mute, please? These millions of eggs that were being inhibited from hatching now all hatch at once. And that is why you have the first Herxheimer reaction, then you have a huge parasitic load after that, and the next time you do a cleanse, it just gets worse and worse and worse. What I would do is I would suggest doing a cleanse for seven consecutive days. That way, when those little buggers hatch, you kill them right away and get it done. Do that once a month, and you'll be fine. But this this program is not an this program is not intended to treat, diagnose, prevent, or cure any disease and should not be considered medical device medical advice. Please consult a health professional, presuming you can find one. Thank you, Jim Ram, before acting on any information presented here.
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Okay. Okay. Okay. So I think you said just take
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a pair of Jerry Garcia. I'm sorry.
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That was
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Fenbendazole. Fenbendazole. That'll work. Either fenbendazole or ivermectin. Yeah. Either way. You can also use, chlorine dioxide. Chlorine dioxide is also an antiparasitic. Yeah. You can, do, bentonite clay. You can, mix, one part bentonite clay with, two or three parts distilled water. Shake it. Let it sit for a couple of days. Shake it again. Let it sit for a couple of days. And once the clay is fully hydrated, shake it, pour four ounces in a glass, top off that glass with another four ounces of water, drink it down all at once, and that clay will actually bind to the parasites and carry them out of your body with a whole bunch of other stuff that it drew out of your body because the clay is negatively charged. Toxins are positively charged. They have an electrostatic relationship which draws the toxins to the clay, and the clay is naturally pushed out of your body through the natural waste disposal system, I e, you know what I mean.
Disposal system, I e, you know what I mean. So
[02:30:28] Unknown:
are you saying but I thought okay. All I heard was you said take it for seven days, but I thought you said you've been you're supposed to stop for a few days and start again. No. Do that once a month.
[02:30:39] Unknown:
Just do it. Do days once a month. Yep. For seven days once a month. If you have a Herxheimer reaction, then I would do it for seven days every two weeks until the Herxheimer reaction severity, backs off. Because if you're if you do a cleanse one month and then have a Herxheimer reaction again the next month, either the cleanse isn't working, you're not doing it long enough, or you're not doing it frequently enough. You're gonna get to a point where you could do a cleanse and not suffer from a Herxheimer reaction. That's when you when you know that instead of seven days, you can go down to five days.
And if you're okay with that, then go down to three days and do that as a maintenance going forward. You should be fine.
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Okay. So from what you know, if someone starts a parasite cleanse, say, with MMS or what kind of clay was that? Bentonite
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clay.
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Yeah. Bentonite. Yeah. Bentonite. So so if someone starts to cleanse, like, let's say, what's today? Tuesday. And then they take it for seven days. So that seven days is killing the adult
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adult. That's right. And it's also killing the eggs as they are hatching. Not killing the larvae, but it will kill it will kill, it won't kill the eggs or the larvae, but it will kill the, larvae once they advance to the adult stage, and that happens very quickly. Seven days pretty much get rid of all of them.
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Well, so so the larvae the larvae, however you say it, it's getting killed during that seven days?
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Yeah. As as it, as it approaches adulthood. Yeah. Because different things kill eggs, different things kill larvae, and different things kill the adults. But if you are killing off the larvae as they become adults, then they don't have an opportunity to lay more eggs. That's what you're stopping is you're stopping the gestation cycle.
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Oh, okay.
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Okay?
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Good.
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Thank you. You're welcome. Not medical advice, just what I do. Can I go back to the tax advice? Was that Jerry Garcia that was,
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talking Boring.
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Sorry? That was boring. Yeah. That was boring. Okay. Okay. So, yeah, that that's an interesting I never thought of it that way, but, property tax is assigned to the name as well as the property. Yeah. It's linkage. Right? And it's kind of an excise tax, I guess. So is that was he basically paying his property tax that way too with an exemption? Are you I believe he rents. So the property taxes that he's paying, tax on would be his, vehicle. Because the d m the the DMV is an agency of the Department of Taxation and the Department of Revenue for the state.
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Correct.
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Okay, Paul. Another parasite question. So how many times a day would you take the or the MMS or the Fenben or the IVR? Just once a day is fine.
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Oh. If you do if you do MMS, what, what I would do, if you do MMS, is take a liter of water and take four or six drops of, the MMS solution, activate it, put it in that one liter bottle of water, and sip that all day long. Because, MMS only remains active in your body for, like, thirty minutes. So if you can get through the whole day, get through that liter bottle of water in a whole day, you should be fine. And that'll be, that'll be like a constant supply that will, kill the, the things you're trying to kill. So how many drops in one liter of water? Well, you can do it to to your own tolerance.
I think four drops is pretty, four drops of each, four drops of, sodium chloride, and four drops of the activator. Put that in a liter of water and sip that all day long. And if you don't think it's working if you don't think it's working, the next day, you can go up to six drops of each. But if you get to the point Yeah. Where if you get to the point where you're, like, either feeling sick to your stomach or, like, you have, less than enjoyable trips to the restroom, you can do fewer drops for the next day. You'll you'll find I mean, everybody's physiology is different. You will find the sweet spot. And once you do, just stick with it.
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Okay.
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That's kinda like what some people recommend for vitamin c. Take it until you get the The squirts. Less than optimal. Yeah. Well, even just whatever they they they usually say loose. Yeah. The squirts. Back up, and that's where you need to be.
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Yep. Yeah.
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Yeah. Take it to bowel tolerance. Selectivity at times.
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Eyes
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Yeah. If you find if you find yourself, dreading taking the Browns to the Super Bowl, back off a little bit. Sorry for the Ohio reference, Lisa. We used to say dropping the Cosby kids off at the pool. I think I prefer Browns to the Super Bowl. You're good.
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Ross isn't here, so you're good.
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Okay. Yeah. I I prefer taking the Browns to the Super Bowl.
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Has anybody here, like How about Ralph Lauren of Brownsnake?
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Big city when you Yeah. Uh-oh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead, Joan. It's Joan's turn now. Everybody everybody be quiet.
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Has anyone here like Samuel or Julie or Paul or, whoever else has ever taken, chlorine dioxide, MMS, when you take it, like, let's say you mix, four four drops each, five drops each, or six drops each in four ounces of water. And every every every time you you take it, every day you have taken it for three years or however many years you've taken it, every day when you take it, like, your body just go it's, like, so, offensive. The tape or the gas or the smell or something from the chlorine dioxide, it makes your body just, like
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Like what?
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Inhospitable.
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I don't know. Where'd Joan go? He's taking other touches. Maybe he's smelling bad because he's taking other touches out of your body.
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Yeah. May I? Yeah. Well, wait a minute. I want I want, Joan to clarify a little bit what, what she was getting at. Joan, are you still there? I mean, if you're taking it every day for three years, there shouldn't be anything.
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I think I think it appeared she might have froze or something when I chimed in it, and and now I'm not seeing her on the board. So seems to be much connection. I'm taking product
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product cleanser. It's, with walnut wood and papaya seeds, all natural stuff. And the first couple of days when I went to the bathroom, I see crazy stuff there. I freaked out. I freaked out.
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What did you say the first ingredient was, Bori?
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I'm sorry?
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What did you say the first ingredient the first ingredient you said? Worm did you say wormwood?
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It's a wormwood, black knot, cloth, papaya seed, and, the other name is n e e m. Neem. I don't Neem. Yeah. Uh-huh.
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Okay. And
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I've been taking that twice a day, and the couple of first day that went to the bathroom, I see some
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stuff that I never see before. Well, that's With that, I tell you everything. That's that's because you just got you got back from your vacation in Puerto Rico. What the hell did you eat down there?
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No. We we got we got we got bushel in here too, Paul. You think that Yeah. Yeah. I never I lived in this country for since 1997, and I never take nothing from for the parasites. I never knew that we have to take that, you know. Oh, and and don't you work aren't you a landscaper,
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Bory? Yes. Yes. Yes. I am outside all day. Yes. Yeah. And you're and you're in the soil. That's a big one. It's like if you're in the soil, if you're gardening doing those things, and if you have pets, you're very likely to have parasites.
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Yes. Yes. Yes, ma'am. Yes. I I got a symptom. I'd like to know if one of you know what it could be. Okay. When it's nighttime and I'm at home, you know when a mosquito bit you that you get, like, a big bomb? Yeah? Yeah. Okay. I some of those they getting I get getting that at night in my leg, and they eat a lot. And when the morning comes, everything goes away. When it start to be, like, 04:00 in the evening and I get home, that stuff start to bother me, itching and hurting, and, like, start to swallow.
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Yeah. Well No. I I I think the I think they're spiders. They're either spider bites or something like that. I have a couple on my right leg, one behind my kneecap, and, one, farther down my calf.
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And those just seem to be That's the places they love to be behind the kneecap. Yeah. I got in the left one, it start to itch and it start to get swallowing. And then when I do the one, it goes away. Yep.
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Right.
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That could could be part of the detox as well.
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Well But it it was before before the detox. That's why I started the detox because, I feel, like, stop moving inside my body. You know? Like, I feel stop walking inside my skin. You know? And, I was listening to a doctor today, and she said that all of us got nanotechnology in the body. Even if you don't get the vaccine, you got it. Because they putting that in the air, they putting in the food, in the water, in the drinks.
[02:43:24] Unknown:
Yes. Look at smart dust. Look at smart dust. That's an old It's smart dust. Yes. Yes, man. It's smart dust. Yes. You're right, Linda. Things some of those things, boy, you could try because and that's what I had told. Rush just yesterday was telling me. So, like, on his forearm right by his elbow, he has some kind of bite that's pretty swollen, and then it's by his wrist also. He has one to where if a mosquito was just moving on. But his whole arm feels funny, and he was putting apple cider vinegar on it. But if you have that, bentonite clay, put a little bit of that on those bite areas too to see if it'll pull that stuff out. But it it might be the parasites biting back.
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If it's nano That's what I thought. If it's supposed to be borax that you're supposed to take.
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Borax.
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The detergent. Yeah. Borax is the detergent. Yeah. But it
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about an eighth of a teaspoon in a quart of water daily will probably work. I actually take a little bit more because it's ALTI antifungal, and it's good for, any, thing that's happening in in toenail beds and stuff like that. It helps cure that.
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Where you could get that, you could get that in Amazon too or not? Borax.
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You could get that anywhere. Is that you just go to the regular store and you can buy a box of Borax. It's usually additive for washing
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clothes. Hey. Y'all
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it's it's right. B o, at
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Bor, v o r B v o r a x.
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Okay. Thank you.
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Some of my family members and myself, when we were a lot of mosquitoes, we would get one teaspoon of vinegar vinegar with one glass of water every day, and, all those bite spiders, mosquitoes will stay away. I guess they don't like vinegar.
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And, you know My daughter speculates that it's blood types, and I think it's o positive, which I think is what we are, and it seem they say you're more susceptible. Our blood is sweeter. They like us. I don't know.
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I believe that. AP. We have AP. We have all in our family. And, honestly, that's worked really well. And,
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so I got
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Hey, everybody. Did did y'all know I got kicked off when I was talking about the MMS reaction?
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Yes. And we waited for a bit, and we were trying Paul was like, just I wanna see what Joan comes, and it's like, I I think she timed out or something happened. So, yeah, you're back.
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Yeah. So so so did y'all finish hearing me? I mean, did did you finish did you hear everything I said, and did anybody reply as to what about did you hear my reaction? How I was describing it? Well,
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Paul, is he still there? Is Paul Paul was the one that was talking to you some too. And I don't think you finished, Joan. I think you probably missed a lot. Yeah.
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Yeah. He kinda froze up. Yeah. Paul wanna know why was the you said it was smelly.
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What did you say?
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Okay. Do you do you remember that you say that something was smelling wrong when you did that?
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I I said when I did the the chlorine dioxide every day for the past three years or however many years I've been taking every day, when I take, six straw in four ounces of water, I I every day, I get my whole body gets shivered. And and, I mean, it's not a seizure, but it's kind of a cross between a shiver and a seizure caesar my whole body. It's just like can you kind of, understand what I'm saying?
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I I think you're just taking too much of I don't think you need to take it that often, Joan.
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Like, how often?
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Well, I don't know. When you when you think you need it, I guess. You're not feeling well. For those for those for those cleanses. So like an ant
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a parasitic cleanse. I I don't think you do do those every day like that, and I don't know the protocol. I don't I don't know.
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I've got a little packet of Panic here here, and, it's like twice a year for dogs. Oh.
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And we just Why is that you're having trouble? Friend here my friend was in I was watching the doctor oh, go ahead. Go ahead. Sorry. Go ahead.
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Yep. My my friend was here in California. He had a 40 pound dog that got bit by a rattlesnake, and it cost her $2,200 to go to the vet, have give him the anti vax shot in the, in a night stay. Well, she's in Tennessee now, and a rattlesnake bit her dog there, 80 pound dog. So a little bit more of a dog to affect. Snake wasn't real big, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything when it comes to the venom. But we consulted together, and this time she used the MMS in water, got the dog to drink that, and locally put her down the wound. And I think the dog's been fine.
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Haven't checked with her yet today. I've been in the bathroom
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a couple of days ago.
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Lori? Lori, you're unmuted, and you're loud. I'm sorry.
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But I've heard that it does oxidize. I keep it on hand because I got rattlesnakes all over the place and just it's supposed to oxidize snake bites. So we'd put it on locally on the wound and then try to consume. And I told her in Humbles book to kill, in one dose to kill malaria in Africa, he was using fifteen drop dose, which is like his max dose. Yeah. But if you take that kind of a dose and you've got bugs in you, you'll be very sick because you'll be killing off too much at once. So you wanna sneak up on it with a smaller dose and then grow into it. But if you've been taking it for that long, I just I don't know if that's all that wise.
I know people drink it on a daily basis, diluted in water, but I think it's very, very little.
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So
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If I may? What do you what do you mean? Yeah.
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Why do you think you have parasites, Joan? Do you see them?
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No. But I thought everybody did, and I have two little dogs. And
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sometimes They live in the house?
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What? They live inside with you and you sleep with them?
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No. I don't sleep with them, but, yeah, they live in my house, two little chihuahuas.
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And how often do you, worm them?
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I just I just give them the m the chlorine dioxide in water every day. K.
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So, so we have a we have a cleanse at Youngevity, but we we call it a full moon cleanse. So you do it the morning of the full moon. That's when your parasites are most active. And, you can use it with any, you know, most of the time, they say they're that parasites are very smart, and they, you know, they want they wanna eat your nutrition, and they hide from, you know, stuff they don't want or like. And but during the full moon, the morning of the full moon, they can't hide. It it they're being pulled out of hiding.
So whatever you're using, the best time to do it is right when you wake up the on the morning of a full moon, and you can do it three days before and three days after because they'll they'll still be active during that time. But, you know, you'd like everybody's saying, you don't wanna do it all the time. You don't have to do it all the time. And for the snake bites, you know, there's like, we have an essential oil called fennel fennel oil. It's a pulling oil, and it's from India. And they use that, the snake charmers. They get bit by a snake there. They put, you know, a drop right on the on the wound, and it pulls that venom right out. No matter what what it is, a spider, a scorpion, a snake, you know, whatever the venom might be, it it it's a pulling oil. And we have something called patchouli oil. And, you know, all the oil companies, the essential oil companies have, you know, fennel and patchouli, I believe.
And those are both pulling oils. So everybody should have those on hand if they got snakes or venomous, insects that they're around. Keep it in your pocket. It works.
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So, anyway What's the ingredient so I What's the thank you. What's the ingredients of your Youngevity antipsychidic antiparstic hormone?
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We there there's three products that we use, and it's all in the GoodHerbs line. The they're they're herbal tinctures and their blends. I can't give you if you go to the website, you can see what the ingredients are. But, the full moon cleanse is, the first thing you take, it's called nerve support, and you put a half ounce of that inside of a quarter cup of honey, you know, raw honey. So and the honey baits them so they start eating that honey, and then the nerve support, it's like it paralyzes them. They can't run away. And then you drink, organic, grapefruit juice, four ounces with inside of it, you either mix a clove of garlic.
If you like if you can handle the garlic, you mix a clove of garlic and what we call our, it's called GI cleanse. That's what kills the eggs, the larvae, the pupa, and the live parasites, and it kills them all. And, you take a half ounce of that and mix it in with that, four ounces of, grapefruit juice and the clove of garlic. If you can't handle that garlic, we have something called respiratory support, and there is a clove of garlic in each ounce of that stuff. So and there's other stuff in there that, is beneficial, but you take that, a half ounce of that with the GI cleanse in the, in the, grapefruit juice. So and you the the full moon cleanse isn't on the site on the website, but, you know, those three products are the so it's the nerve support, the GI cleanse, and the respiratory support, and those are all in the GoodHerbs line and Youngevity.
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I yield Have you ever done that have you ever done that cleanse at the full moon time?
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We do.
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I've done it a couple of times.
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Is it easy? Yeah. It's not difficult. The, I actually I thought it was an ounce of those, herbs, those tinctures, and they're they don't taste good. And when you got an ounce of each one of them so first, you you have both drinks made up. Right? So as soon as you drink the honey with the nerve support, then you've, you know, you guzzle down the other drink. And, it it I don't like nasty taste and stuff, but, you know, I've done that that cleanse, two or three times. My wife has done it more than me, but we don't have pets anymore.
And, we don't have animals on the property. We used to have chickens and a couple of dogs and but we don't anymore. But I've done that cleanse twice since we didn't have the dogs, but, they say, you know, you can get parasites anywhere. If a dog licks you, you can get pay they could pass parasites through the skin from the tongue, you know, the saliva, whatever. But, I, you know, I might do that once a year now.
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So Do you do you do it, like, three days before the full moon and three days after the full moon, you yourself?
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No. I I know that that's recommended if you have a, you know, if you think you got a overload of parasites, but they, you know, it originally came out. It was called the full moon cleanse, and, you know, it it works that morning of the full moon. So and but you wanna treat your animals the same time you treat yourself, but, the president of that Good Herbs company inside Youngevity, he's a master herbalist since he was nine years old. He was being trained by his stepfather, and, he's in his forties now. And he's he's pretty sharp guy. And, he teaches that. He says you take that that, my buddy, he just did a consultation with my buddy in Texas, and he's got two big Dobermans.
And, he said you can give them that GI cleanse like a a a half a dropper is a milliliter. He said, you know, they eat out of the same bowl together when they eat their food every day. He says put two squirts of that like a, you know, half a mil two half milliliter dropper fulls, in their food. And, that'll keep them from getting parasites and, killing anything that's in them. And, you know, he wanted him to do that parasite cleanse because he's having some issues. And, him and his wife together both do it, you know, the morning of the full moon. And, you shouldn't have to worry about it. But if you got animals, you might have to do it quarterly once, you know, once, every, you know, four months.
And depending on your animals and how often they're outside. You know?
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Yeah. Do you know what the the
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the GI plan? You can you can look it up on that website. But if you take, you know, you could take your your own stool in a baggy to your veterinarian and tell them you got a new puppy and tell them to check check its poop. And, it's a whole lot cheaper than going to a MD or a lab, and they'll tell you exactly what's going on.
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Wow. Yep. So yeah. Do you know any ingredients in that GI plan that you mentioned? You know, I know wormwood is one of them,
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but I don't I don't remember what they all are. There's there's, five to seven, herbs in it. So if you go to Did you
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Go ahead. Do you think it do you think it has that, pasta pastaro sagrata?
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I don't know. I don't know, Joan. You gotta go look at it. You can look at Oh. You got my website, don't you?
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Oh, yeah. I tell can you you know what? Can you tell me again?
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Yeah. So it's dapple j, d a p l j, ranch dot Youngevity dot com.
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Thank you.
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You're welcome.
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I'm gonna repeat it. D a p P. L j it's devil. Oh, okay. Shoot. It's d as in d as in Dave. That's right. Got it. Apple, p as in p as in parasite, l as in love, j as in Joan, r as in I mean, and then ranch.
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Correct. Ranch. Ranch. Right.
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Dot.youngjeopardy.com.
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That's right.
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Okay, Dave. This is Brenda. I was trying to grab a pen to write down that,
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risk A full moon plan? Yeah. Yeah. So,
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yeah, tell tell me, is it a half ounce of the nerve support or what amount in the It is. Yeah. Each of the tinctures are four ounce bottles.
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Mhmm. So there's there's eight, you know, cleanses in each bottle. When you get the three, you get you'll get to do eight different cleanses. So, it's a half ounce of nerve support, it's called, in a quarter cup of honey. K. And then right after you drink that, you'll already have mixed up, four ounces of, organic grapefruit juice with a half ounce of the, GI cleanse, it's called. Can If you don't like the garlic, you know, you can either use a clove of garlic or, it's called respiratory support. They're all three good herbs products, and you mix that in the in the grapefruit juice. And at right after you drink the honey with the nerve support, then you drink down that, grapefruit juice mixture.
Okay. And you do it right when you wake up the morning of the full moon.
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K.
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And if you got it, you know, real bad, you know, they say you can do it three days before and three days after.
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Yes. Yeah. I've always heard that when we were doing ivermectin and stuff around the full moon like that. But then I've heard, you know, recently that ivermectin kills certain types of parasites, but it doesn't get all of them.
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Right. I don't think I think the there's there's most of these cleanses, you gotta take one for the eggs, one for the pupa, one for the larvae, and one for the live.
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Mhmm.
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And since this one, they say it it kills them all.
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Yeah. Because like just like Paul was saying and I've heard before too that, yeah, that's why you usually do it for a few days because you kill off the the adult ones, but then you need to kill out the hatchlings once Right. After that. Or the rest okay. So you're doing the nerve support and the GI cleanse and the respiratory support. Okay.
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And, again, if you if you can handle a clove of garlic in that drink, you know, you just do one clove of garlic and you don't do the respiratory support, Just the GI cleanse.
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Yeah. Okay.
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So and if anybody is interested, you know, our good herbs line, the it the you know, it's a company inside Youngevity. The the mother and the son, are you know, they run it and they're, you know, it's it's the mother's, husband. He passed. He was a stepdad to Brett. He he's the president of that company. He's a master herbalist, and he knows his stuff. He does a call every Thursday morning. And if you wanna get on it, it's a Zoom call from, ten to 11AM eastern, and you go to mytotalnutrition.com, and, you you register there. It's free. They got a lot of stuff on that website, and probably that full moon cleanse is probably there somewhere on that website. He also is, like an amateur chef, Brett, and he cooks with nutrition and without the bad foods.
And, he's got lots of recipes on that site and, you know, videos and some really good stuff. So check it out. And, that call, I try not to miss that call every Thursday morning, 10AM to 11AM. It's a Zoom call, and you can dial it up with a phone number or get on with the computer, and they actually he'll show a video most of the time, for about twenty five minutes, and then they do q and a afterwards. Doctor Glidden is a regular guest monthly. First Monday, first Thursday of every month. Doctor Lee Merritt, she's in Brett's downline, and, she comes on there periodically.
And, there's a couple MDs in there that are, you know, doing q and a with Brett, answering questions that he don't like to answer that are might be medical questions. And, it's packed full of information. It's really great. I I love it. Anyway, check it out.
[03:07:07] Unknown:
Yeah. It sounds good. I hope you had mentioned it to me once before, but I didn't get that site written down.
[03:07:17] Unknown:
Yeah. Mytotalnutrition.com.
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K. And then, k. Good. Yeah. That sounds good. Yeah. We've done some different cleanses, but, some of them can be really, really rough. So Yeah. And and I've just recently connected with a lady. She's in Arizona, but she's got a a frequency program deal that she can scan you and, it picks up on what all's going on in your body. And then she does corrections on you about three times a week and I've just started that with her yesterday. And, she's picked up and I've got several different parasites which I have, don't have any animals in the home. Hadn't had for many years.
But, she says, you know, that I've got enough going on that it's really sapping my energy. It really makes us sick in a lot of ways that we don't even realize. So, it does cost to do that scan with her but if anybody wants her number, I mean, she seems very, very into it and you know, into all this good frequency stuff. And, you send her samples of your hair and she puts that in the headphone and it's got all our DNA and everything in it to run that. So it's pretty amazing.
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Okay. Brenda, they're also in the food.
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Yeah. That's that's true. Because she said, you know, she's asking me, she said, you've got a pretty big case of, hookworms and stuff. And, you know, she said, have you Uh-huh. Animals and stuff? And I said, no. But, she said, well, you must have had them for a lot of years, and they've been growing bigger. I said, oh, great.
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Did she told hey, Brenda. Brenda, she told you that I find your from your hair clipping or just from talking to you over the phone? No. From scanning my hair clipping. She did a scan on me for about an hour.
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Hookworms and trichidiosis
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are from pork. That's what I was thinking too. Yeah. And I hadn't even had any pork lately, but, but I do eat it occasionally. So that's probably where also
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Somebody told me the other day that if you pour Coca Cola on a on a a piece of raw pork, the worms will come upwards. I've heard that. Yep.
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Yep.
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I I saw that in a video. Yeah. That came out.
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Mhmm. Creepy.
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Yeah.
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I know of a guy that put down a wall for it. If you put what on raw pork?
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A Coke.
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Alcatel. What what what BB?
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I know of a guy that died from I don't know which one of us, trichinosis or hookworm, but he had eaten some, I guess, uncooked or not cooked enough pork in Argentina. And that stuff got in his brain and tore him up.
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Yeah.
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Did he die? So Did he die? That's what I said.
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That's what I said. Thank you. Yes. Mhmm.
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Sorry.
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And and Parasites ain't no joke.
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That's true. And, we've all heard how most anybody they've done that's had MS, they show that those lesions on the brain are parasites. And so is a lot of cancers. You know, I think we've all heard that the last couple years.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. All these things that people are getting results from happen to be parasite killers. Defendazole. Mhmm. You know? The ivermectin. Mhmm. You have the MMS, the turpentine. They all kill parasites. And that's why doctor Daniels adds the three sugar cubes to the turpentine to attract the parasites.
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Oh,
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yeah. Like the honey. Mhmm. I guess. Yeah.
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Yeah. Because they like sugar. That's for sure.
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David, it's on. Just one more last question about the respiratory support. Dave?
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Day? Yeah, Day.
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Is the respiratory support a four ounce liquid also?
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It is. Yep. It's one of the good herbs tinctures. And if you got, you know, any respiratory issues, it's for that mainly, you know, like a cough, a nagging cough, or, you know, breathing issues. It it works. And see these good herbs tinctures, they don't need the gut to be healthy to absorb. They absorb without the gut and you could put them on your feet, and it absorbs through the skin, you know, you do a thirty second test if you you put it on and most of the time if you put it on your skin it'll soak right up. You do another dropper and it'll soak up and you keep doing that until you got about thirty seconds of dampness and your body's telling you got enough for now.
But they're pretty, pretty potent and I I've, you know, I've been around them for quite a while and a lot of people get a lot of really great results from them. So
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And the respiratory support, if if you take that instead of the garlic, you take one half ounce like the other two things?
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Correct. One half okay. Thank you. You mix that with you mix that with the, GI cleanse in the, organic grapefruit juice.
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Oh, yeah. Mix the respiratory support in with the grapefruit juice and yeah.
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GI. Right.
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And you drink that right after you drink the honey with the nerve support.
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Okeydoke.
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And the nerve support works, you know, in our body, you could put it up like people that have, have had shingles and they have nerve issues, you know, because of that. You can rub that right on the skin, put it on the skin around where you've had shingles and and it helps, the nerves, you know, rebuild, reconnect, whatever it does. But, yeah, it works.
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Alright. Okay.
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I'll mute now.
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Thank you. Bye.
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Another thing that's You're welcome to watch.
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Work for for snake bites is high voltage. So if you taser around the snake bite, it's supposed to oxidize the venom too. But in this case, where my yeah. High voltage. Some people have said that in in an emergency where they didn't have a taser, they they used a spark off of a small gas engine.
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With your fingers holding it with your hand.
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Well, no. They probably ran a wire off the spark plug to where they wanted to focus it, you know, and then pulled the engine over to get the spark.
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Okay.
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Somebody said that I thought it was Tom d, but I guess it's not. Somebody said this on RBN, and, I guess how they proved it is they they were down in Texas, and they they asked the EM the emergency medical goat dudes whether they heard about that or not. And they said, oh, yeah. We carry them all the time. We're not supposed to, he says, but they work.
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And what was the other things you were saying that helped? I was in the other room when you were saying that a while ago.
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Well, my my friend's dog just got bit, by a snake and, it was a rattlesnake. And, bit the dog in the lip, and she made up a I'm asking her what the concentration is because she was asking me about it. And I told her about that fifteen drop dose for a person for malaria. So she mixed up some MMS, put it, I think, in some water, and then the dog had been bitten in the lip. So she said she gently rubbed it in into the lip, and she said the swelling went down right away. And the dog was fine. She had the same thing happen in California. It was a 40 pound dog there and an 80 pound dog this time. But that dog, they took to the vet, and it cost them $2,200.
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Yeah. Wow.
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So did you think she rubbed the MMS after combining the two the activator and the chlorine dioxide and put it in water or just straight?
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I think she put it in water. Okay. But I'm asking. I'm I still don't have the whole story. This just happened. Yeah. So Yeah. But she said that the the yesterday, she said the dog was eating and drinking and didn't seem to have a problem. So
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Yeah. Oh, and then
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Her stupid husband gave it, some penicillin for the bite. And I said, what a moron. Now she's gonna have digestive problems.
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Yeah. But but you think she,
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put it, like I say, two or three drops in the dog's water too probably if they had the Yeah. She also got the dog drink to drink as much as possible. Because I told her that you wanna get it internally and on the wound Mhmm. To try to oxidize what's in the bloodstream as well as what's at the wound.
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Yeah.
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But I don't know how much what her what her what dose to use,
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so she's getting back to me on that. Yeah. Well, I know just starting out doing, chlorine dioxide and stuff, instructions we've got from someone else says to start with one drop a day and for two, three days, and then you go to two drops a day and maybe go up to three or four, but then that's about all you need,
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most people.
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Well, I I got Humble's book when he first put it out, and they were killing the malaria in Africa with the fifteen drop dose. Oh, okay. Yeah. But that That worked on ninety nine percent of the people. He said, a few needed a second dose, and that was it. And he got in a lot of trouble there with the authorities because they were making big money on selling the pharmaceutical crap that you have to take for the rest of your life. Yeah. And, this this cost him at the time something like a nickel or a dime a dose.
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Yeah. And knocked it right out. Yeah.
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Immediately. Yeah. There's several million people a a year die of malaria in the world.
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Mhmm. Yeah. That's pretty amazing.
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Yeah. We just I understand it's pretty painful because it it just clogs up your liver and your kidneys.
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Yeah. Comment on that.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. On that MMS, I'm I understand that, you gotta be careful with vitamin c because that'll
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Neutralize it. Yeah. Neutralize it. So if you take an overdose, that's that's the the way of neutralizing an overdose. Like, if you you took a fifteen drop dose and you've never done it before, you're gonna need to neutralize it.
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Right. That'll be the I've just noticed in the discussion that sometimes people aren't aware of that. I yield. Yeah. I take it every day.
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There's a protocol for that, but it's pretty light amount in a lot of water is what I understand, last I looked. And Paul, he's he's got this new thing where, I I I think if I understand him correctly, the hydrochloric acid in your stomach activated, aids it so you don't even need to use the, the citric acid or something like that to activate it because he's claiming that the the hydrochloric acid in your stomach activates it. So I don't know. I've never really looked into that. That was new to me. He said that a few months ago. Yeah.
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I, I have a problem adding acid to my system, because parasites love sweet and acidic environments. So why would I be giving them something that they would want unless, of course, you're causing them to come out? I don't know. I'm thinking, drops of MMS on a Tootsie Roll pop.
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Sweet. Or a caramel, if I may.
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Yeah. So
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doctor Wallach's research shows that the stomach is a bag of acid. And when the stomach acid is pristine, it protects the body from parasites, bacteria, pathogens, fungus. And, you know, if if viruses were real, they wouldn't get in the body if the stomach acid was pristine. And salt is an essential nutrient because it turns into hydrochloric acid in the stomach, and the stomach acid should be about 1.2 on that alkaline scale. You and anytime you, you know, alkalize the stomach, you shut off the stomach acid. You neutralize it. So, the, you know, the the all disease starts in the gut, and that's because we have weak or no stomach acid.
And when we boost that stomach acid, you know, with digestive enzymes and salt, you gotta salt your food to taste. There's never been one study to prove that salt causes high blood pressure or heart attacks or any of this crap these doctors are lying to their patients about. They want us off salt, so we're sick, and we keep coming back to them. So the remember, everything that comes out of the stomach, when the stomach acid is right, it comes out acid. And if it didn't if it stayed that way, you die as soon as it went into the small intestine. So the pancreas is making sodium bicarbonate while you're you know, when you start smelling food, when you start salivating, when you start chewing and predigesting, and and then, you know, you got that stomach acid boiling everything off and killing everything. And as soon as that valve opens up at the bottom of the stomach, the the the the pancreas has already flooded the small intestine with sodium bicarbonate, and it instantly neutralizes that that stomach acid to save us from, you know, being killed by our own body.
So, you know, their Doxas are seven buffering systems that, you know, keep the the body alkaline where it's supposed to be and acid where where it's supposed to be and, you know, nutrition is what keeps that, you know, pristine. So, that, you know, when when the stomach acid is weak, the stomach turns into a brewery and what grows in there, and I yield.
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Good information, Dave.
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Hey, Paul. Did you see doc Pete's back on the on the on the road again?
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Yeah. I saw that.
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So he's got a web is it a website? He sent something to my wife, but we never really got to explore it. But she said $55 a jar. It's the best batch he's ever had. Cool.
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Everything good.
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Yeah. I think, I think what he's doing is is he is, he's upping his game, and he's, offering discounts because he's between residences right now. Oh. And, he's trying to, generate as much fundage as possible. Mhmm.
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You know, I had him on a call quite a while back, and, there was a gal that lived right by, you know, where he lived. And she was gonna come and see him and pick up a couple of jars, and he stormed out of that call because somebody made a comment. I told him not to talk about the, you know, the Trump stuff, the the med beds and all that and and the currency and he got any, he yelled at me that this was a pre call, you know, so don't tell me what to say and I'm like look you're coming on board to talk about, you know, hemp and your paste and if you go there, you know, you may not get the response that you're looking for.
Well, he kind of cooled down and he said he wouldn't, well, he did. And somebody challenged him and he left and he he won't talk to me. He's talked to my wife, but he won't talk to me. I didn't do nothing. I didn't chase him away. But anyway, she, you know, she was gonna try and help him because I told her, you know, about his living situation and she's single and, you know, has, she lives in a trailer and she's got, you know, maybe a camper or another, you know, trailer on-site and she's got some cows and whatever, but it's not far from where he lives. And she was gonna try and help him, and she can't get ahold of him. Mhmm. So, anyway
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I'll call you. Can you get jars from him, Paul? Yeah. The morning jar and the app the evening jar? Yep. The night jar? Yep. You can? Yeah. Did you?
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Did I get some? Oh, yeah. Yeah? Yeah. I've I've I mean, within the last month or No. Not no. Not within the last month.
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Six months?
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Yeah. Probably. I think that was, like, the last batch I got. I don't use it that often, so I still have some.
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Alright.
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I wanted to get some. I wanted to get the morning one and the night one. And we were emailing each other, dot p and me. And then and he was sending me the information, and I was trying to send him the money, and then it just kinda evaporated the communication. So, anyway, that was that was back when, Dave had him on Keno's Mhmm. Class in Colorado back, however many months ago that was.
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Right.
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Anyway, I hope he's okay.
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Yeah. I think so.
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Back on that nutrition, do you know, doctor Zelenko has a product out that's fairly good I've used to take? Is anybody familiar with
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that? What's what's the name of it? Oh, dot
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z stack or something like that.
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You still have snow?
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No. I I used to take it, and I think it's still available.
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I didn't know about that. Did not know.
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I believe it's got ivermectin and hydrochloroquine and those type of things in it. Correct?
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Well, I know it's got d three, and I'll have to pull it up and
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Yeah. I was thinking so, Brenda. I was thinking that's what it's like a a a COVID preventative
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thing. That's what I had heard a while back.
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Yeah. Well, you know, they often
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It it just has the vitamins in it. It it's just a basically, an immune support. It doesn't have anything special in it.
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Oh, okay.
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It's a good dose of vitamins that a lot of people are low on. And basically, what he was doing was helping people's immune systems. But as far as having ivermectin or anything like that, and he didn't do that.
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Oh, okay. But like quercetin, I know, and stuff like that helps too. And I know some of them That's in there. Pretty sure that's in there. I think there's Kirsten's in there. Yeah. Yeah. And, all the in
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NIC Mhmm. Namathloidal,
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whatever, because that helps lungs and stuff, immunity.
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Yeah. Again, n a c just like a precursor for your body to have that ammo to build the the system out as well
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Mhmm.
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From what I understand.
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Yeah. I think so. Vitamin c and all that.
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What was that telling you all about? The NAC, it's good for what?
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It's a precursor to building things in the body. It helps the immune system in doing so. I forget what it was. It it's the precursor. Is it for, exactly, but that's what it's doing.
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Isn't that a nootropic?
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I don't know.
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Glutathione.
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Right. There you go. Yeah. Yeah. That's the.
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N a t is n acetylcysteine. I'd call it an old tropic. I don't think it's new.
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I couldn't. It's like, it's for something something. What is it? Glutathione. I went and looked at and it's doctor Zelenko's, and it is called z t z detox. So he is claiming that it helps clear out toxins that we're exposed to every day.
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Well, anytime you see the body nutrition, it's gonna help itself detox.
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A big one is that it's supposed to help your liver, but it has n a c. Zinc, E g c g b d three. I'm sorry. Vitamin d three and vitamin c. That's what it says is in there. And the NAC is a one that it says on here, aids and binding toxins and flushing them out through the liver. That EGCG, which I believe that is from green tea, but I'm not certain. But I'm pretty sure, and that also is a liver detox and defense against free radical.
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The best liver assist is, probably milk thistle.
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Yep. Milk thistle is good. Dandelion is good.
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I
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think milk thistle is better than dandelion, but dandelion would work too.
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Is anybody Another that that new product, is is called Sirona?
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No. I haven't. Another herb that I've heard that is very good for your liver, helping detox it is, cilantro. What's it called again, William?
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Sirona,like.org, I think. It's supposed to be a nano size glutathione. Relatively new within the last year or so. Can you spell it? Yeah. It's, s y r o n a dot org. They've got a it's set up through a PMA, actually. And I guess you get the the products are based on your membership. So you're just basically paying for the membership, and then the, products are shipped, you know, in that format. It looks pretty unique. I yield. I can find the button.
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Hey, Lisa. Did do you know if it's the NAC or the glutathione that is more of a liver support?
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No. Not really. Okay. Sorry. Here's one I was taking it for a while ago, Joan. Is it supposed to be good for your lungs? Help. It works as an expectorant, so it helps helps you cough that stuff up, thinning your mucus and stuff. When I was, I actually started doing it because I had gotten that cough for so long, and then then I quit smoking. So guess what helped more?
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Coughing smoking?
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I was coughing from smoking, you know, for for forty years. So so as far as helping get rid of the cough, it helped much more to quit smoking than than to take NAC.
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Good, Jeff.
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So so but you were just so you started that out one, one second ago by saying it's the NAC that's good for lung?
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Yes. It's good for respiratory conditions. It's it it the first thing it says on here is, you know, replenishing the glutathione, which is an our most powerful antioxidant, so all that cell damage stuff. And then it plays a big role in detoxification. Again, the big one for the detox is because it helps with your kidneys and liver.
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Alright. Doctor
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doctor Daniels used to say, in her practice, when all else failed, she went to the turpentine and always got a good result.
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Right.
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I've had really good results with it and, tenbendazole, those two.
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Did you say tenbendazole?
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Yeah.
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And did you take, like, a pea sized when you took it? So
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I took what Bill Tippen, used, which is the one gram per day thing.
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Okay. So did you just use did did you use the Panacur, or did you get Fenben?
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I used I usually used the Safeguard or Panacur.
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Paste.
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For the 10 pound dog, which is the one gram dose.
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No. No. That's not. That's the ivermectin is the horse paste, Joan. This is the dog. So it comes in little powder packets.
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It's like, Kool Aid, white Kool Aid. Because one gram per pack is what they for the tinier dogs, the 10 pound dog. That's what Phil Tippens took to reverse is what small small cell
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lung cancer Yeah. Actually, I I wanna say when he started doing that, he had it all through him at that point. But that's the I think it's two hundred and twenty two micrograms, I think, or else it's milligrams. And I don't remember if it's MCG or MG, but two hundred and twenty two, I remember that. Because if you buy that other one in bulk, it has a little scoop that comes with it. You get a little container of it. It has a little scoop, and the scoop is the $222.01
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gram. MCG. MCG is micrograms. Two hundred and twenty two milligrams is the Fenben dose, and you usually get it if you get it in the form of Panacur. Each dose is a thousand milligrams, which is two hundred and twenty two milligrams of Fenbenzole and eight hundred and eighty eight whatever, milligrams of inert ingredients.
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Fenben Labs says It's two hundred and twenty two milligrams per gram.
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Yeah. One or one thousand milligrams is one gram.
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Oh, so can you please help me with this? I have this tube of Panacur in my hand, which I have not used yet. And it says panic, and it's a paste. And it's a it says equine dewormer, and it says twenty five gram paste, 10%, and then it's in parentheses under under twenty five gram paste, 10%, it says in parentheses, one hundred grams mil one hundred milligrams slash gram. So is it safe to take that horse dewormer?
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What is that ivermectin? Go.
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Read that again. What's the active ingredient in it?
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Okay. But first of all, it says in big letters, Panacure, and then in little letters under in per in parenthesis, it says fenbendazole. And then to the side of that, it's a and it's by Merck. And then it says equine dewormer equine dewormer, twenty five gram paste, 10%. And then under that in parentheses, it says one hundred milligrams slash gram.
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Yeah. It's a dose big enough for a horse. Yeah. You gotta yeah. You gotta Well, that's what it's for. That is interesting. I never really heard of the the the fembendazole for horses, but sure enough, I'm a Panacure fembendazole ten percent horse paste.
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Okay. Yeah. Yeah. What you need to do is there's probably a plunger on it with, like, a little locking ring on it. And Yeah. Each one of those detents that you can set that locking ring to is going to be for every 50 pounds of body weight, and that you will get off the directions. The tractor supply ivermectin, equine paste is one click is for every 50 pounds of body weight. So three clicks three clicks would be for a hundred and fifty pound person. Two clicks would probably be for you.
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I'm about a hundred and ten. Yeah.
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Fucking wet. Right? Two Okay. Two
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two two clicks would be sufficient. You know? Closer I would rather do the 10 pounds under than 40 pounds over. Right.
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10 pounds under.
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So every one of these clicks is for 50 pounds. No. That that is for the ivermectin
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tractor supply equine paste. You've gotta look at the directions on that I don't for what the dose is.
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Yeah. I'd stick with the Panacur one pound or one gram Sax because even that, for a human consumption to do what you're trying to do is meant for a 10 pound dog. So if you're taking an equine one, you're gonna really be way overdosed. Dosed. And then I I wouldn't even play with it. I would I would just get the Panacur one gram. Well Or, John, just just look and see because I know I've had the ivermectin horse kind, and it has on there the
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you know, where if your dosage is small enough, but, like like, Paul was if it is every click for 50, and then like Samuel Sam, what you're using for the dog is for ten pounds, that's still a big dose.
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Yeah.
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Okay. So it's a twenty for ten pounds. We don't know if it is. We we don't know. No. I'm It's a 25
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pound package. It's a 25 or it's a twenty five gram package. That is twenty five thousand milligrams at ten percent. So the total panic urine in that will be twenty five thousand milligrams times ten percent or twenty five hundred milligrams. Would that be right? So it would be the whole the whole package, the whole tube would be twenty five hundred milligrams of fenbendazole. Now you only want two hundred and twenty two, so you take twenty five hundred milligrams of fenbendazole divided by two hundred and twenty two, and then that tells you how many doses you get in a whole tube. And then if it's got, like, the little plastic detent plunger, whatever, you just take the total number of clicks that you could possibly get from that tube and divide that, by two hundred and twenty two, maybe? No.
So twenty five thousand milligrams.
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The the ivermectin, which is normally for a horse, I the ones I've had of that, they don't have any stopper on them even because it's meant for a horse, and you're supposed to give the whole dose. Wow. And in in in the tip in scenario, you don't really ever hear him talk about body weight. So you could be a hundred pound person or a three hundred pound person. You're still taking that one gram daily.
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See the horse pace? It it goes by weight. All horses aren't the same weight. And, you know, little horses, big horses, medium horses, and I know I mean, the Amish. They use fenbendazole. I mean, the ivermectin horse pace in a plunger at 50 pound, you know, in intervals, and they do it per body weight. And none of them were ever none of the Amish that I knew know ever had COVID or, you know, whatever. And I know COVID is parasites from the shot. So whatever it
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is. But yeah. But but, Dave, then you still have to factor in the fact that when you're using the panic cure for what we're talking about for humans and and what Dippens did is you're using what is the equivalent for a 10 pound dog. Okay. So what she's got there is a master dose of of stuff that, I mean, she's probably got at least twenty five doses in that syringe.
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Now stick Correct. Ivermectin, Joan. Why are you wanting to take this big dose of the fenbendazole?
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Well, Tiffin, from from that little bit I gathered from when he was, I think called played a video or audio or something of him, what, three months ago or what whenever. And, he said fenbendazole was the best. And then he said, well, oh, but if you if you only have ivermectin, you you can use ivermectin. It's okay. But he he I gathered from what he said, then then fenbendazole was the best thing for people.
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But when you're fighting cancer.
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For what? For when you're fighting cancer. But I don't I'm not Yeah. And he recommended taking,
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the ten ten pound dog doses, which is the one gram.
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Oh. Okay. That that twenty five gram, tube that twenty five gram two gram tube of fenpendosol that you have has eleven two hundred and twenty two milligram doses in it.
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Yeah. Ten percent. That's that's the thing I didn't factor in because the the other stuff is twenty two.
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Right. So it's eleven doses in that tube.
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For a person?
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Yeah.
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Oh, okay. So if I wanted to, I could take one if it had okay. So when it says Eleven doses per hundred pounds, Paul?
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No. It's eleven doses for two hundred and twenty two milligrams. And now we're going right back to the Tippens protocol. Tippens doesn't, mention a different milligram weight based on human body weight. You know? It's his is two hundred and twenty two. His is yep. I gotcha. Two hundred and twenty two milligrams for everything. So how I got that was it's twenty five grams, which is twenty five thousand milligrams times ten percent is twenty five hundred milligrams of fenbendazole, and I've divided that by two hundred and twenty two milligrams for each dose, and that was eleven point two six one two six one two six one two six one two six one two six one two six, doses in that tube.
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And if I may, this this Chipins guy was fighting cancer. Right? Yeah. And I know, Merritt says doctor Lee Merritt says all all cancer is parasites, but, you know, I don't know if everybody has they're fighting cancer when they have parasites. And, you know, that dose for him for whatever he was battling might have been that, but it it might be different for somebody that's just fighting parasites. No. What they're doing is they're Don't get What they're doing is they're fighting the cancer treatment
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because you can because if you have a parasitic load, your body will show the same enzymes when it's dealing with a parasitic load as a cancer load, as a tumor load. So what they do is they start treating you for the cancer that you may or may not have. They destroy your immune system. They may kill some of the parasites because they're literally putting Drano in your veins. Right. And then when all they needed to do was probably treat with fenbendazole or some anti parasitic and let your body recover from it because you haven't destroyed the immune system. That's the problem with chemotherapy.
It kills the parasites Everything. It but it also kills your immune system. So when the parasites come back, and they will, you have nothing left to fight them with.
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Right. You know, some of the stuff that I have looked at a lot recently with the foben fenbendazole and the menbendazole for brain cancer, the studies that they have done on that and, of course, they're not all anti modern medicine. So based on receiving chemotherapy, there's really only one or two drugs that they use that they find effective, And they recommend that Menben first, Fenben is equally as good, but those are very effective in crossing the blood brain barrier and helping the other chemotherapy drugs be able to cross the blood brain barrier
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to try to kill those tumors. Right. Now is it helping the other chemotherapy drugs to cross the blood brain barrier and helping the chemotherapy drug kill the cancer, or is the minben and phenben killing the cancer and their $10,000 a dose pharmaceutical is getting the credit for it?
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I don't I really don't know, and I don't know if they would really be able to differentiate that. The only way you would really know that is if they would actually do the study of, you know, this person's only getting chemo. This person's getting chemo, you know, the traditional chemo, getting the traditional chemo and the Mebend or Fenben. And then this person's only getting the Mebend. You know? That that's and they're never gonna do those at the way the system is set up now unless there's those drastic changes. That would be great.
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My my experience with it was, I was suffering dizziness or what people would call vertigo, like vertigo. When I get up in the morning, I'd sit up in bed and the whole room would be spinning around me. So I started taking the fenbendazole and it all went away.
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After how many days?
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You know, it's it's hard to recall. It's about a year or two ago now, and I would guess I saw improvement right away. And in a few days it was completely gone, and then I kept taking the dose for, probably a month and a half. And then I took a break, and then I came back and took some more. And I do it every once in a while now. I do a dose of probably around twenty seven, thirty days every so often.
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Okay. So Paul and y'all please, are you saying I just canicure, fenbendazole, is okay for me to take, one little pea size or or or what? Because my head is just kinda spinning from the twenty five gram, twenty five thousand milligram.
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Here's one for you, Joan.
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Twenty two
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here's here's a here's a thought for dosing. So Paul said that should be eleven doses. Yeah. So you you see your little syringe? Yeah. And it and it has little teeth on it. How many of those how many of those are on there?
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Well, they go down into the syringe, but the ones that I can count are one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine in notches, and then it goes way down on in there or as far as I can see. So maybe it has 11 or more notches?
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Well, I'll see if it would have 11 notches. That would be a notch per dose.
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Yeah. So so so so I think Paul and y'all have said or mathematically decided or determined that one notch is okay for people to take?
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I I'm not comfortable I'm not comfortable with that. And the Paul, am I correct in that? That would be right. Right? If there's eleven notches, that would be the proper dose each notch. Right?
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Yes. For a people.
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Yes.
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Yes. He's saying yes. Yes.
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Okay. Wow.
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I'm trying to coax my air conditioner into working because studio c is overheating.
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Alright.
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What you got, Pauline? About that. Mhmm. Yeah. I've got yep. Those in front of me, and I just counted 25 notches on the, syringe.
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On fenbendazole?
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No. It's the, horse paste.
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She has horse paste fenbendazole. You're talking ivermectin, aren't you?
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Lisa, Lee doctor Lee Mary, Mary is her name? The one that talk about the cancer, in, Right. Yeah. I've listened to her. Yeah. Yes. I hear. Okay. But she was saying, she was saying that she do every day fifteen drops of, the other stuff that Paul was talking about. The he say not to do it every day. MSM? She say uh-huh. She do every day fifteen. And she knows people that for cancer do up to twenty four, but she just recommend eight. And if you're gonna start, just start with one drop or half a drop if you cannot handle one.
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What what are you talking about?
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The MMS.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. She was saying that she knows people, for cancer, do twenty four drops every day.
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Wow. Whoo. That's a lot. Reminder. She said conference room can Are they are those people feeling okay?
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Yes. Yes. Yes. They heal. She said they heal. They used to have brain cancer.
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Oh.
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Oh, you they use that for brain cancer.
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Yes. Yes. Oh, that's interesting. What she was saying. You know? And she said that she do a lot of biopsy, to the people that die from cancer and stuff. And, she been found in the doctors see the problem, but they don't, like, point to it. You know? She asked them why is that moving in the blood or in the piece of biopsy that she did, and they said, oh, that's normal. That's an, bacteria or whatever. They never say it's parasites or nothing. And she put it under the microscope, and she saw parasites.
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Sorry. Are you referring to doctor Lee Merrick?
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Yes. Yes. Yes. Her. Yes. Yes. Okay. Okay.
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Joe Tippens, as far as I know, had four different cancers. He had small small cell, in the lung. He had brain cancer, liver and colon at the same time, and they were all at basically started. They were all at basically stage four. By the time the doctor sent him home to get his affairs in order, that's when he started the fenbendazole and vitamin protocol.
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And But is that the one that People Boys talk about, Paul? The one the, the guy from People Boys always talking about? That he put the ad about him? That he do use, dog medicine?
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I don't know. Yes. Did he? Yes. I'm pretty sure. Yes. That's the one. Yeah. His first diagnosis, Paul, wasn't it just the lung cancer and then it metastasized and spread to everywhere else? Yeah. It metastasized
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because the doctors went in and messed with it and destroyed his immune system.
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Yeah. He had radiation till they burn up his esophagus. I remember hearing him say.
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You know, that's one of the things too, again, upon looking at the brain cancer stuff. Most of the well, you know, most other cancers when they metastasize from traditional treatment and they spread, and it seems like one of the last places it spreads is to the brain
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Yeah.
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Where when your original diagnosis is brain cancer, and it does grow, but a huge majority of the time, that cancer never spreads to other parts of the body.
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Because because it's very difficult to cross the blood brain barrier. Very difficult. And you have to have a serious cancer load in your body to be able to get it to metastasize and spread to the to the brain. Brain, it's typically like a smaller organ, and even if, it's loaded with cancer, there is not really a a circulation between your, your, brain fluid or your brain and the rest of your body. It's much more difficult to pass the blood brain barrier the other direction, far as I know. But,
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I just thought that, I don't know, whatever you wanna call it, kinda curious that most other cancers when you know, it they they spread to other organs where
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brain cancer generally does not. Yeah. Well, the main thing that causes metastasization of cancers in the body is doctors going in doing biopsies and cutting into the protective white blood cell sac that the body has built around,
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the abnormal cell or the cancer. But that's where most brain cancers, they do that also. They have to pay the patients have brain surgery to try to get the tumors out.
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Mhmm.
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So which is a key I don't know. Like, spreading the blood brain barrier the other way. I don't I don't know. Like I say, just kind of a curious thing.
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Yeah. Well,
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And and how often does their crap work? It doesn't.
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Five percent of the time. It's cancer diagnosis
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We all know. People are gonna do what they're gonna do, and they're very indoctrinated to believe the doctors and go do do what they're told. So so
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Cancer diagnosis is are, flawed forty three percent of the time. Chemotherapy is successful by three percent of the time and the destruction of an entire family's net wealth after a cancer diagnosis one hundred percent of the time. And if you think if you think for one fast second that you're gonna follow what the doctors in the white coats say, you're gonna give them a shot at beating the cancer, and if that doesn't work, you'll try the natural method. You got that shit backwards because the doctor's gonna destroy the only immune system your body has, the only method your body has to fight that cancer.
You want you wanna go with something? Go natural first. If natural fails, then go to the damn doctor because you got no hope after that because the doctor could give you Paul.
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What? Unfortunately, I unfortunately, I would agree with you most of the time, But when you're dealing with these glioblastomas, if you get diagnosed and you do nothing, you have about two months.
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Well Yeah. But, Lisa, but you you take the doctor advice or you take, not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to
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not
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Antiparasitics, MMS, and a raw food diet for ninety days. I don't care what cancer it is. You will kick it in the ass. It may not be totally gone, but it'll be going backward instead of advancing and taking your life.
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I know. I just wish, you know, do the do their treatment do their treatment and do the Fenbendazole with it and and
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and I I I don't know. It's so it's such an aggressive type of cancer, so I I don't know. Well, their treatment is going to destroy the immune system. Sorry, Samuel. Hang on one second. Their treatment's gonna destroy the immune system, and that's the only thing you've got to fight it.
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You gotta start first Another thing that Go ahead, Samuel. I'm sorry. Another thing that that makes the blood brain barrier, less effective is inflammation. So if you've got a parasite inflaming the tissues or any other thing, inflaming things, you're gonna wanna take something that also cuts down on inflammation. And one of those things that I use because it's so effective in that regard for, like, pain and stuff like that, so you'd say wake up with a sore back. Seropeptase are great for that.
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Yep. Well, like I said before, this program is not intended to treat, diagnose, prevent, or cure any disease, and it should not be accepted as medical advice. Take the advice of a medical professional before acting on any information presented here. Go FDA, ADA. Go screw yourself.
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Come on, Paul. I gotta get I don't I was gonna make you my head off, Rachel. That's her, man. You tell me it's not a a device. Oh, man. Yeah. Just let him try and come after me.
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The national bitches.
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They won't sick.
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And and all these vaccinations that they're giving, they're they're to irritate the body. So that's right there, that's inflammation. Right? Absolutely. Well, that's where, like, you guys in your you know,
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I I'm dealing with this situation with the family member that, they're just gonna do the traditional and traditional medical treatment. Hope she does okay for however long. She's fully vaxxed and boosted. Not good. Doesn't wanna run around chasing the next best crazy cure. Just gonna try to enjoy what time she has left, which is a very short diagnosis.
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Glutathione. Yeah. I have a She needs glutathione overload.
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I have a dead friend who was he had lung cancer from smoking, and, he kept going for the chemotherapy, and I kept trying to get him to do go alternative. And he says, I don't have any time for that. I'm too busy. You know, he's not around anymore.
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Glutathat glutathatamides. Time.
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Yeah. People are gonna make their own decisions and
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Somewhere people that don't smoke ever touch a cigarette, die for lung cancer. You know? You can say because he was smoking, he got lung cancer. Maybe he got parasite, and they need that knocked his ass because the doctor don't heal you. He just control your your, you know, control your
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you have the and you have the other side of that, boy. You have people that have smoked from the time they're a teenager and love to be up in the nineties.
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And Yeah. And they never got cancer.
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I I just I know.
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Well, the other thing is whatever you believe will kill you.
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Sure. He's not gonna tell you. You got three months. You go home, mister. He believed he had lung cancer because he smoked.
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Just read a good thing on placebo effect, and you can see why people do themselves in.
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Well, you know, I watched a Jack Cruz video not that long ago, and, you know, he's all big on the outside, natural sun, dah dah dah. But in that video, it was mentioned about smoking. He's like, well, just make sure you go outside when you smoke. Don't smoke inside. Smoke outside. Well, Russ has an uncle that's gonna be 90 years old. He has lived in Arizona since he was quite young. He has smoked, I believe, since he was a teenager, and he's always, always smoked outside.
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Pure tobacco doesn't have those 3,000 other chemicals that they put in what most smokes are made of.
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I know. I think he just smokes regular, you know, store bought, I'm gonna call it. I'm pretty sure. So I I don't know. Like, like, you just don't know.
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Our body's loaded loaded with nicotine receptors. It was meant to be. It it's not the nicotine. It's it's all the other crap that they put in there that's deadly.
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The stuff that they put chemicals in there so that it's addictive just like they do at the big burger joints. They put chemicals in there. And I even say, you know, the papers. There's all those chemicals in the paper processing. The filters are bad, and they put all those stuff in the tobacco itself as well. But some people can do it their whole lives and still not get cancer for some reason, and others do. I I I don't I don't understand that. Never never have, never will, I guess. Other than for some reason, you're immune. Smoke. What?
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Lisa, like I told, yesterday, you know, my grandma until she was 90, whatever, 91, she smoked every day tobacco, pure tobacco, no cigarettes, and she was in perfect condition. I wanna make a little story so you can see my father died in the early two thousands. And, I'm gonna try to make it short, that he got cancer, and they, recommended, a gentleman called Wolf and, and that he was an expert in cancer and all this doctor. And, so he went in to the hospital they told him to go to, and and he asked for the gentleman. And they told him, oh, yes. That's he's over there.
It's a long story, but within six month, he, he basically went backwards, all type of chemotherapy and everything you can imagine. He was a very strong, much bigger man, strong man, big hands, and it's he's sort of like a mountain mountain man working the farm and all this. And, but we found out my stepmom, they told him, you know, he's not gonna make it out of this, within a week or two week. You need to sign these papers for the hospice. She wouldn't die. But I was sort of in the medical field. I was sort of learning, understanding something's wrong. A lot of family member who are dying every time they go to the hospital and so on.
So, I investigated and what was going on, why this happened, all these things. And, I and she looks at me, young, and I said, I wouldn't sign. And he was basically, I have no hope, no nothing. But I would sign because I found out the doctor he was looking for had the same name as this doctor, Wolf. And he's the one that was pulling everybody out of hospitals and, and going against. And this guy, the other one was his rivalry, and there were, the other one was the one that my father was looking was the old school, and this was the new school, I guess. So I went to that doctor, and he says, you know, what is killing him is not the cancer. He might die from the cancer, but all the medicine, all the medical, all the treatment, he said, you need to take him out of there and bring him to me. So I went, and I took him out of the hospital. Nobody helped me.
They all they all look at all the doctors, everything. They made me sign papers to take him out. On my responsibility, they did not send because he was basically date dead weight. And, nobody sent a wheelchair out to carry and look for the wheelchair all the way. You know, when you get there, they bring you a wheelchair. They're all very hospitable Disney World type hospitality. This was the worst nightmare. And I put him in the car, all like a zombie. And I took him to the doctors, and he said, why do you bring him here? You told me to bring a guy. I was kidding. No. Now you need to take him to your house. I can't do nothing for him now because he needs he's intoxicated with that medical thing, and it'll probably take three days to seven days. What? What do you mean take him to the I don't know what to do. So I took him. And guess what?
He lasted another two years and a half when we pulled them from all of us, and they were gonna make my stem cello sign the hospice. He lasted. He drove again. He walk again, and, he was not really technically not being treated alternatively for the for the cancer, so it did spread. But he lasted two years and a half more even though they were gonna kill him and make my stepmother sign hospice. I don't know if that helps, but, I don't like those hospital. I don't like those doctors. That's my 2¢.
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Well, we know the doctors hear you. They know they know how to hear you for sure.
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Hey, Paul. Why do why do y'all think some women survive chemotherapy and don't ever get sick again.
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I have no idea. Sometimes they're being treated by other other alternative, and they they think it was a chemotherapy, but the other term is really the one that helps them.
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Okay.
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And since I'm done medicine, some of these doctors know that the rule of all evil, the love of money, you know, the greed. Nobody nobody, not like Lark from Texas. He says everybody's in the record tier business. No. Most of these people will not fight against their own pocket. So doctors, sometime, we have them with the highest esteemed, the highest societies. But, it's it's it's a shame what they're doing.
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Hey. This is, Ed from Michigan. Anybody out there yet?
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Yeah. There's there's 18 of us still here. Oh, okay.
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Got a question for the group. I'm hoping somebody can remember where this is. I I have seen it before, and Rogers talked about it a number of times, where it says in some kind of a state department document, you know, that our, you know, rules of citizenship are very complicated. And I was looking around for that, you know, started at travel.us.gov or whatever or travel.state.gov. And I'm digging around and I can't seem to find that. And I, you know, I thought it was on a, like a, you know, an application for a passport, but I don't see it there.
Does anybody remember where that, stuff about how complicated the citizenship rules are for The United
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States. I think it might have been at a court court case, citing a court case, but I'm not I'm really not sure. But I do know I know, yep, that that has been referenced. Right. Don't don't know if any anybody else chime in.
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Yeah. I've heard him say it a number of times, and I'm at a brick wall. I don't know where it's at. Right.
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Okay.
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I would think it's probably in these travel.state.gov.
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Right. What are you looking for?
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It's, some somewhere in the in in some government document, it it talks about how complicated the rules of citizenship are for The United States. You know, I and and I thought it was in that, you know, citizenship or, oh, shoot. You know, where you you get a a document that says you're, you know, a non, citizen national. Yeah. That's Certificate of non it's a national. I thought it was in that part.
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No. No. It's it that's the travel.state.gov document. It's not there. The one that says that the, the rules for citizenship or status or whatever are complicated, that, I believe, was an opinion in a court case, and Roger would probably be able to pull it out. Okay. The the one on the the, the, travel.state.gov is the certificate of non citizen citizen nationality that says because Right. The cost of paper and printing and labor is so high, we are no longer issuing certificates of noncitizen nationality. Please Right. Consider filling out a passport application and getting a passport from the secretary of state.
Yep. So that sounds definite it sounds like it's definitely not what you're looking for, and I think it was a court case. And it is one that was pretty common. You know, we only talk about a few court cases that have to do with the fourteenth amendment.
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Yep.
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Maybe, maybe it was was it the case where it said that?
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No. That was,
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dealing with a tax.
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Okay. Great. Well, I I know that Roger would be able to pull it out right away, so I would take it on the show tomorrow and, ask him about it.
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Yeah. Okay. I do, I do that, something versus Rust. Yeah? That'd be closer with what he's looking for. Yeah.
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Okay.
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What court case said the rules for US citizenship are complex and hard to understand?
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I can't think of it right now. I got Wong Kim Arc. Yep. Yep.
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Wong Kim Arc is relevant. Quick search. Interpretation of the citizenship clause, the case centered on the inter inter interprofation of the fourteenth amendment citizenship clause, specifically the phrase subject to the jurisdiction thereof. The Supreme Court's ruling which affirmed the birth rate citizenship for children born in The US to noncitizen parents, excluding those specifically exempted, involved delving into nuances of common law and legal definitions of jurisdiction. This process itself demonstrates the intricate nature of citizenship law. That is Wong Kim Ark.
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My little search search. My little search summary says United States versus Wong Kim Ark demonstrates the complexities of citizenship law through its interpretation of the fourteenth amendment and its lasting impact on the principle of birthright citizenship in The United States. So I would say it's that.
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Yep. Wong Kim Ark. That's that's what AI came up with.
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Yep. Same here. Paul.
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Afroian v Rusk. They can't just arbitrarily yank it from you.
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Right. Ephraim.
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Okay. Ephraim. Okay. Ephraim
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v Rusk.
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Yeah. Yeah. I, yeah, I was digging into this a little bit. You know, the, the US code, when you go to to the the the link there and you get into the US code, you can you can't I can't seem to print more than one page at a time. It's kinda frustrating, and I'm it might be my computer. I don't know. But, yeah, that was it's definitely in there. I was able to get in there and look up that, you know, noncitizen national, you know, a 21 or whatever that that one that's in that certificate of noncitizen nationality. Mhmm.
So I just like looking at the, you know, the the real basic code and make sure that everything is where they say it is or whatever. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.
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Get you. I get you. And that's and that's what it's in, the code.
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The bottom line in all that is it's the the fourteenth amendment that made it complicated.
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Right.
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Before that, you were just a state citizen.
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Right.
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Right. And now we got American Samoa to cover it up. You know? Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. It's pretty amazing. So I've been I've been at this, three years roughly. Yeah. Started in '22. So, you know, I don't speak up a lot because I'm I'm a mechanic and I'm, you know, constantly under pressure to get something done at work. And but I got a little break here, and I heard you guys are still on. So
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. I found I found a kind of interesting interesting thing here. It's talking about some different, Supreme Court decisions concerning citizenship, and, I don't know, in some cases like this, Murray versus Charming Betsy in eighteen o four, Iglis, and it is from fam.state.gov. Mhmm. So isn't that that foreign affairs manual? Yep. That's what that is. Oh, okay. Do you have access to the chat?
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No. I don't.
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Uh-huh.
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Yeah. I'm just, I'm on a phone line. Yeah.
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Okay. Well
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Well, I just put in the chat this thing that I'm looking at because
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it could be kind of interesting. Well, 95% of the time, I'm on my phone, but I got the app on it.
[04:31:10] Unknown:
Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. This is a this is a landline.
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Uh-huh. Okay.
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Yeah. Sorry to be so backward. I just I just don't, I don't like signing any contracts anymore. Right. And every time you go on one of these things, it's like, oh, here, sign this. Sign this. Sign that. You know? And it's like, I don't know. You know? I just kinda started backing away from all that after a while. Yeah. And, so it makes my life a little more complicated. But yeah.
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Here's a fun one that we never hear discussed, and and it is that Inglis versus trustees of sailors snug harp harbor. And it's from 1830, and it's about a question of a man born in The United States in 1776, was a US citizen and therefore able to inherit rural property. In doing so, the court resolved complicated questions of how citizenship had been acquired during the revolutionary war. The court found that those present on US soil at the declaration of independence or born there thereafter was presumed to be a citizen, but the presumption of citizenship was rebutted upon the showing of intent to remain a British British subject.
Isn't that interesting?
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Yeah. Very
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Yeah. Boy, I'm sure glad I haven't taken the radio station down yet. All this good stuff we're coming up with.
[04:32:54] Unknown:
Oh, well, Yeti was talking about the past week, about, Alexander Hamilton going against, Gallatin of, Pennsylvania in that he hadn't been in the country long enough, and he should be expelled from Congress. And Hamilton had the same such a damnation. They were both the same age.
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The same age. Talking smack. Uh-huh. Well, shoot.
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Yeah. Just because he had his hose up jaw for half the half time.
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Mhmm. He was president.
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Yep. And
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So Henry Kissinger of his time.
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Yep. My first Jewish president. Paul, you know he was a tribe member. Right? Yeah. It it turns out the Jewish magazines are coming out that, oh, his mother's buried in a Jewish cemetery, and he's one of ours.
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Yeah. It's pretty screwed up.
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Yep. There's always one in the ointment, and they were more prevalent here than we're taught. Mhmm. I mean, it was scads of
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them. But wasn't it at some point before that in the six in the sixteen hundreds or something like that? Weren't they trying to make some law or something to not allow them?
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I think so. And, if you look in that, we thought they were white, and we talk about that stuff. And they were, like, up to 17%.
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That's why we got freedom of religion instead of freedom of Christian religions.
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Mhmm.
[04:35:38] Unknown:
I think that's freedom of religion. They'll allow you to join any legion you want.
[04:35:45] Unknown:
No. You're going in, Chris Cave's territory. He talked about that.
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Yep. Well, the only thing I know, my karma ran all over their dogma. Run him down. It wasn't that funny, Brent.
[04:36:17] Unknown:
It really was, Paul. It is a good one. That's a good one.
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Well, thank you, guys. I I I appreciate.
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So it's almost as good as my tinfoil hats better than a blindfold.
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Yeah. No. No. That's amazing. Well, let's see. Is there are a couple of words of wisdom, you know? Like, for instance, I found that if you tuck one part of your pant legs into your sock, people tend to expect less from you. I'm just saying. Apparently, putting Alka cell Alka Seltzer in my mouth and walking into a Walmart shouting the virus is mutated is not mutated is not terribly funny. I am no longer allowed to go caroling at the, psychiatric hospital because I guess, do you hear what I hear was a bad song choice? There's, the autopsy club meeting, every Saturday, this Saturday, opening mic night.
You know, m I k e. Apparently, stress balls are not supposed to be thrown at the people that are stressing you out. And I'm just saying. Who knew?
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Go figure. They're not? I thought that's what they were for.
[04:38:03] Unknown:
I thought so. I mean, I would you know, stress balls. Forget the stress balls. I'm talking about those, like, solid rubber handballs. Yeah. Those those would work. You know, that that's a tennis ball with attitude.
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Stress. The stressor.
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Mhmm.
[04:38:22] Unknown:
Speaking of stress, I do believe my air conditioner is down for the count. I'm gonna have to take it out of the window, take it apart, gonna have to clean it thoroughly so k. It doesn't freeze up, and I'm gonna have to figure out some way to check the Freon level in it because it ain't working. Impressor runs for about five minutes, and then it stalls. And it just sits there looking stupid. Oh, I think I'm gonna have to replace it. Filter? Oh, yeah. It has a filter. I've taken it out numerous times and cleaned it. The next option would be duct temperature, are you getting fall?
Yeah.
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When it blows when it blows, does it blow cold? It blows about 75 degrees
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out the front of it. Oh, okay. Yeah. It's
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but when it is running, it's not blowing real good.
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No. It's not. It it blows 75 degrees for, around five to ten minutes, and then the compressor stalls.
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Okay. So Well, it might be low on refrigerant then. Yeah. It's either low on refrigerant or it's,
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full. But it's it's, like, only a $150 LG air conditioner. You know, a little 5,000 watt or 5,000 BTU window unit. Mhmm. So Yep. And I don't think it's going to be terribly serviceable. Might just have to get a different one.
[04:40:00] Unknown:
Right. I don't know. Yeah. I I know I know about car AC. You know, you really should probably have about, you know, fifty fifty to 60 degree duct temperature if stuff's working properly.
[04:40:12] Unknown:
Right. Yeah. Oh, it's nowhere near that. Than that. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it's nowhere near that. There is a, Keystone 6,000 BTU window unit on Amazon for a $189. It's got, 4.2 out of five stars with 20 ratings. Seems to be pretty, pretty decent. There's there's three options, LG, Keystone, and Frigidaire. The, LG is, like, a 169, for a 5,000 BTU. The Frigidaire is a 169 for a used 6,000 BTU, and the Keystone is a 189 for a 6,000 BTU brand new. So I don't know where to go. Can't do anything until payday anyways. But I know studio c is, overheating.
It is not happy.
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The I always look at the reviews, Paul. They can always tell you a lot.
[04:41:33] Unknown:
Yeah. That's what I'm looking at. There's a Safra 8,000 BTU, for a 159, and it's got, 4.4 stars with with nine reviews. Safra really, really sounds like like a Chinese brand or something, but it doesn't have any of the goodies. It does have a remote control.
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I'll always read the negative reviews and Yeah. See how bad they are and unrealistic, and then I'll go to the good ones.
[04:42:10] Unknown:
Yeah. I start with the, negatives. There are there are no reviews at one star. There is 16% of the reviews were two star, 15% were four star, and 69% were five star. So, it doesn't cool a small room. That's talking about the 5,000 BTU. Excellent for small to medium roll rooms. Few more reviews. Okay. Is good. It works great. Cools the room quite well. Five stars keeps the room nice and cool. Blue Stars doesn't cool a small room. That was the 5,000 BTU unit. Excellent for small to medium sized rooms. That was four stars. Solid pulling power without the noise. That was five stars.
Yeah. Seems the 8,000 BTU unit got five stars. The, 5,000 BTU got two stars. So maybe the, 8,000 BTU is the winner. How many do they have in stock? It doesn't say that there's any limitation on the stock, so I'll add that one to my shopping list. Keep looking. Oh, this item is already in shopping list, so we moved it to the top. Good. Oh, that's an 8,000 BTU for a $159.99. Holy crap. What other available options? Oh, the 10,000 BTU is 339. We're not doing that anytime soon. Yeah. It looks like the 5,000 the the, 8,000 BTU for, $159 is the deal.
When you have computers in a room, you have to take the square feet and divide by point two five or divide by point seven five, and that gives you the actual BTUs that you'll need for the room. Being a studio c has dual CPU fans in 12 course, it's it's a very, very it works better than a infrared heater sitting over there in a room. Yep. Pretty much made my decision. Soon as payday happens, that guy is on its way. So I get to wait another month or two for new tires for the car. For the tires for the car. New used tires, anyway. Alright. Well, it looks like we're pretty much done. So I'm gonna take the, I'm gonna take the radio station down.
I, let's see. Who did I just mute? Who was that? That was Gary. Hang on just a second, Gary. Let me take the, let me take the radio station down. This has been the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales on radio.globalvoiceradio.net and eurofolkradio.com. Got you here Monday through Saturday, 11AM to 1PM eastern. For more information on the topics discussed, please go to the matrixdocs.com. That is the matrix,d0cs,.com. You can find information for, new students, the new student section, downloadables. You can actually get a copy of Roger's book, From Sovereign to Surf, in electronic form, and you can download it immediately and get to reading. Thank you so much for being with us. We'll catch you tomorrow for the Wednesday edition on radio.globalvoiceradio.net and eurofolkradio.com.
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Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.
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