In this episode, we delve into the complexities surrounding marriage licenses and religious beliefs, particularly within the Mennonite community. Our discussion kicks off with a debate on the necessity of photo IDs for marriage licenses, a requirement that conflicts with the religious beliefs of some Mennonites who oppose having their photographs taken. This sparks a broader conversation about the role of the state in religious ceremonies and the implications of state-sanctioned marriage licenses, including the potential for state control over marital and familial matters.
As the conversation unfolds, we explore alternative approaches to marriage that honor religious convictions while circumventing state requirements. Suggestions include recording marriages in family Bibles and creating personal contracts between partners. The episode also touches on the historical context of marriage licenses, the influence of religious leaders, and the challenges faced by those trying to reconcile their faith with legal obligations. Listeners are encouraged to consider the spiritual and legal dimensions of marriage and the importance of aligning personal beliefs with marital practices.
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Run. Run. Run. Kabuki Theater.
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Yeah. Kabuki Theater. That's exactly what it is. I was I was kind of upset that we didn't hear from Joaquin today. Silent weapons for quiet wars? Yeah. Was that document actually accidentally left in a print or in a copier, or was that a plant? So they could tell us what they were planning.
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Gabe on the thumbnails a little bit more about that too, Pete.
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You can see God's hand and everything. This is how the information gets released whether they want it or not.
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You know?
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I do.
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Fine.
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Okay. I mean, the anti federalist, the ones that dug this up, this woman, she was against it and everything, but now it's out there. We wouldn't have known because they didn't even let them print it or mail it back then.
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Bruce, do you have a comment? I noticed you're, you're unmuted, and I think I'm hearing a background conversation from you. Oh, there you go. Alright. He muted. Yeah. I don't know. Yep. Things are gonna get really interesting in the next two to four weeks. That's for sure.
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Remember, Israel attacked Iran first. You know? Let's keep that straight.
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Mhmm.
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Israel's gonna direct you. You're unmuted. You got something to add?
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I mentioned he was Keep your mic open, Lisa. I like the birds.
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May I ask a question?
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Yeah.
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I had a question for Roger, but everybody, of course, was, jumping in. And he said you ought to ask it on the show, but never get a chance. So I got a son that wants to get married in the state of Missouri, and it's law, I guess, that you have to have a, photo ID. I was wondering if there's any way to get around that, if anybody knows anything.
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Private ceremony. Record the record the marriage and the family bible and keep the state out of your business. Because if you have a marriage license, the state is laying in bed right between you.
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Thank you, Paul.
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Don't get the state's per don't don't get the state's permission to do it. That's between you and your credit.
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That's correct. But what if the bishop doesn't agree to that?
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Then find a different bishop.
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Who do you serve? The bishop or your master?
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Yeah. Who do you serve? The bishop or or god? Good question. Right?
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What kind of bishop?
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I don't know. What do you mean by what kind of bishop?
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Like, Catholic or Baptist or
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So denomination.
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Yeah. That'd be a Mennonite bishop.
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Oh.
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What on earth would a Mennonite couple want with being contractually obligated to the state? Why? Why would they want that? If they wanna be under a contractual obligation that's If if they wanna be under a contractual obligation, they can write up contracts and be contractually obligated to each other to to look out for, the other part of the union's best interests, to promise, to love, honor, and obey. It could all be done by contract between persons, between parties. And they don't need somebody to say to pronounce the man and wife. They're partners.
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Has anybody here read a marriage license to see what's actually being licensed?
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The fruit of the union, the offspring, and the and the, marital assets.
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And there also used to be certificates of marriage versus, marriage licenses. Not saying I don't know much about that, but that might be something they wanna look into. Some I don't know.
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Well, the ones that I've read and from several different states said they were licensing the person performing the ceremony.
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So what with every marriage licenses license, it licenses the the person that's performing the ceremony?
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All the ones I read say that.
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The original licenses started out between, different races. Like in Virginia, if you wanted to marry a pure white, you wanna marry a black, you gotta get permission. That's how they started. And it's It's my it's my
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understanding that I started in the state of Illinois after the war of northern aggression. And that's And that's right. Is a racial contract.
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I've read that too. But would that be because I've seen some copies of certificates of marriage, and they're, like, in the twenties and stuff is one I had seen. So would that be pertaining to the same thing, though? Do you guys I have no idea, really, other than I know, like, it's before the bankruptcy, but I do know that it was first for interracial marriages. So I don't I don't know.
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Well, I wasn't talking about, certificates, but the license to get married.
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Well, licenses is technically, you know, the the right to do something that would otherwise be illegal. Right?
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Right. So the person performing the ceremony would be doing something illegal if they had not gotten the license.
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So why have a person get the license and sign it?
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Okay. But I don't know. Like, I'm saying with the certificate of marriage, like, look at your car and a certificate of title. It is not the true title. So like I said, I just don't know.
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Yeah. But I thing I
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is bishops are on the chessboard for a reason.
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Yeah. It's like having a five zero one c three marriage.
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This is Irby. I'm a retired minister. I've never been licensed by the state to do like, marriages or funerals. The licensure that we've received is from churches, local churches, but they were five zero one c three and all that. So, you know, that's a backdoor, I guess, into it. Now I do only the religious ceremonies and, like, brother Paul was saying, record it in your bible. And you can even make your own certificates, you know, put on the wall for people. Are you really married? Yeah. I'm really married. You know?
What they mean is did you go to the courthouse or the state, or it's not a real marriage? Well, what did they do before all that? You know? What the old testament people do? So it is a thing, and I think we should be pushing harder on that because one of the things you read the small print in licensure, they own your children. And that's why they can come in and say the children belong to us. You have no say so. Because legally, that's the truth. If you've married under the state or, you know, got licensed under the state, you bought into it, and you signed that contract.
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Hello? Hello, young Mennonite, Beyonce person? Have you asked your bishop if he will if he will do it without a license marriage license?
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We did not.
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Well, you could ask him. Right?
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That is correct. That's my next step.
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Well Is this is this this is a Mennonite man speaking?
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Yes.
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Where where are you? What location?
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Missouri.
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Missouri? Yes. You're kinda breaking up. Okay. So you Bishop, would are you Catholic?
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Mennonites aren't Catholic.
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Amish have I'm sorry. You're breaking up. I can't understand you. Amish have bishops also. That's what they call their leader.
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Dave, he's only breaking up. Right here. I'm fine.
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You can? Yeah. Okay. Everybody seems to be
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kinda breaking up a little bit. I think you've got background noise, and it's, interfering. It's interfering with it's it's trying to enable your microphone when somebody else is talking. I think it's really interesting that the state has no claim over a, well, for lack of a better word, a bastard unless the custodial parent signs overwrites to the child by calling in the state to collect child support. So in effect, if they don't have ownership over the child through marriage, then a custodial parent actually sells the child to the state, in effect. I mean, they don't call it that, but that is where the parent grants jurisdiction to the state to not only control the child, but to collect child support.
The love of mammon.
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So if I may, to the Mennonite man, do do you all have home church, or do you actually go to a church building?
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We have church in a building. It's not a home church.
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You have a church building?
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Yes.
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Okay. How'd you find out about this group?
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Well, if he's a Mennonite, then he already knows about it. And I was in a room full of guys. I thought they were Amish. And I asked, the one guy, it was about six of them, and he was kind of a leader. And I asked him, what's the difference between Mennonites and Amish? And I was going I was thinking he was going to talk about, a theological thing, and that was my interest. But what he said was the difference between us Mennonites and Amish is 75 miles an hour. I just like and I got it because you can use the technology and stuff. And I loved it, man. That I, you know, I've really seriously thought about converting to Mennonites. And, you know, that's, yeah, that's that's a great group in my personal opinion, but what do I know? Right?
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I got a question. Well, here in Michigan, we have Amish and Mennonites, and I the first guy we met, is a was an Amish man, and he told me that the Amish were all Mennonites at one time. But then when the Mennonites decided that they wanted, you know, more modern conveniences like electricity and and automobiles, the Amish broke off from the Mennonites and, you know, created that they were from the old world, and they don't use mostly, they use battery operated stuff. Some have, most of them have generators like Honda generators, and they power use power equipment in their shops or, you know, out on-site, where they work for the English.
They call us the English speaking Americans because they speak German as their home language. But, they all hear, though. I don't really talk to the Mennonites much. They have a Mennonite store here that we like to go to, but, and all the Amish shop there. But for the most part, the Amish folks, they have home church in each little sect. You know, when they one family will do church, you know, each week, they switch off and Every other week.
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Yeah. Every other week. Yeah. Well, here, it's every week. Well, I guess it depends on how close they are because it's a Yeah. Wonderful person.
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It's a pretty tight community. They have church every every every Sunday, but it's at somebody else's home. And then throughout the week, whoever's family it is, whoever's home, that immediate family prepares the meal and, you know, all the food and everything. And then everybody comes and they got chairs set up and they do, you know, their church. And then after church, they, you know, they break bread and it's all family and, and, yeah, they just share all day, but they don't actually go to a church. And I'll have to ask them about what do they call, you know, the the the main preacher or pastor or whatever, who's ever preaching that sermon for the day.
But I know they don't well, I don't. I'm not gonna say that. I take that back. And I believe they get married, you know, in their own church. They do weddings on Thursdays, so none of them go out and work. They always have that Thursday off for weddings, and they work, you know, Monday through Wednesday and then Saturday. And Sunday, they do church.
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Yeah. They do that. They do that here too. But remember in Pennsylvania, the Amish there, they even participated in supporting Trump and voting for him. So the bishop is the one that, you know, basically, gets the opinion of everyone and,
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and they build on it. So The the last time I looked, there is still 14 states that recognize the common law marriage. Of course, there's no, licensing or anything required there. Mhmm. So that might be an option, of course, if you wanna have family and some both sides there and everything that could be an issue. But maybe you have a bordering state where it wouldn't be too inconvenient. I don't know.
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It's important to have that family bible. Have it documented in there.
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That should be done that way anyways. Right? I mean, the the they make it difficult because they tie everything to it. Like, the other person said, you the guy officiating, he has to have that license because he's he's working for the state. So he's like their agent. And then you have all these ties to, property rights, marriage, taxation as couple, etcetera, all tied into it just like they do with everything else. So to be outside of it, to be not in Babylon is not really too convenient, then that's what you really need to think about. Are you willing to go that extra mile?
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The marriage can simply be all the townspeople get gathered together in the town square where, a number of bible passages are read by people who volunteer to do so, your own vows spoken to each other, affirmed by God, sworn under God, and, backed up by contract with medical and financial power of attorney to each person in the partnership. She grants him medical and financial power of attorney so he can act in her stead, and this and the reverse is also true. He has medical and legal legal power of attorney, durable power of attorney over her. So if it's a matter of somebody's hospitalized and, somebody has to make a decision on care, there is somebody to do it. They don't have to rely on the patient to do it.
It's it's a partnership under God is what it is. You don't need a bishop to stand up there in the front in a robe and pocket 50 or a $100 for the for the pleasure.
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Bingo. Exactly. I'd like to personally welcome the Mennonite Man. My name is Dave in the thumb. I'm over here in Michigan, and I got a, We know some men Mennonites, but just from the store. Good good people. We we love them. We go out. We were just out there out in the Amish community yesterday. I yield.
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Yep. Legally, if you wanna protect your wife as a Christian, it's called coverture. So there's that as well.
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Hey, Paul.
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Never freaking mind.
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Overture?
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Yeah. I wouldn't recommend getting married down at the town square in the middle of Downtown Los Angeles right now. No. Not a good idea.
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But I would I don't know what kind of a Mennonite community would be in Downtown Los Angeles.
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He not in Los Angeles?
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No. He's in Making a joke. He's in Missouri.
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You have a lot of witnesses, though.
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Okay, Murr.
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Joan, I was making a joke. You know, Paul said in general, go down to the town square out in the open. That's not nothing you wanna do right now in the major cities.
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Oh, funny boy.
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Yeah. I try.
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The, the key is witnessed by friends and family and sworn under God. There you go.
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Otherwise, the state's trying to be God.
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Yeah. And if you insist upon the, state sanctioning your union, you are giving them permission.
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I think in some states, it used to be that if you cohabitated for a certain period of time, you were married Seven years. In in their eyes. Yeah.
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I think that's I think I think that's that's kind of a kind of a kind of a adverse possession. You know? Like, if if you take care of a neighbor's property for seven years, you can claim it. So if you take care of a man or a woman for seven years, you can claim it.
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In Ohio, that and it was called common law marriage, and and the woman had to use the man's last name as well.
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But if you don't hold yourself out to be married, then all those common law deals go away. And if you have a common law marriage, you still have the state the the state can still get has its nose in the tent.
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It can because my in laws were were married. They got divorced. They got back together, and they were together again for over seven years, so they considered themselves, the state considered them common law married. So when he left again and she wanted child support to help with the children, they had to get divorced again even though they never officially got remarried. So, yeah, that that's something.
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I I would think that if you wanted to make it your own thousand to 10 every chance it can. I would think if you wanna make it your own as close to possible and have it stand up in court, the the parties would both write their own affidavits out as what their intentions are. And, you know, it's just like the priest asking you, do you take this man to, you know, to be your wife, etcetera? You know, back and forth and Woah, Samuel. Woah. Woah. Do you take this man to be your wife? Stop. Caught that, Amber. So, anyways, it's what you put in that affidavit that would, and then I would, you know, also record it.
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Samuel.
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Samuel. He's talking the overall mankind, Murr.
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Yeah. So, Samuel, do you take this man to be your wife?
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Nothing for you.
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I think it's a personal preference for Samuel. Sounds like Yeah. Woah.
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Here we Myrrh.
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Here we here we go. Hang on. It's No blow. Stuck down. It slipped out, Samuel.
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Here here's what here's what I think Samuel's reading
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not Samuel's reading an article, about Scott Bessens.
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Samuel, here's what the soup Nazi has to say about that. No soup for you.
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Come back one year.
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Alright.
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Yeah. There's there's and there's that the law of coverture too so you could protect your wife when she's your wife from the legal system. Yes. And curvature,
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curvature trumps any other anything else. It even trumps, legal marriage.
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Again, all this crap is voluntary, and we think that because somebody with authority, you know, tells us that it's so,
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we do it. Yeah. You have to get Right. Or in this case, you have to get the bishop's permission. Yeah. Who's trying to say something?
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Gary.
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Hey, Gary. Every state in the union
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You're you're busting up just a little bit. State of the union
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Well, sorry. I'm moving them out.
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But in every State of the Union, there is what's called common law marriage you look at. It's all there. And the first marriage license was actually
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submitted or
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proposed by the state of Virginia
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because a black woman married white or a white woman married black, however you wanna say it.
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So they had to be licensed for it. And you are signing a hidden contract when you get a certificate of marriage or a marriage license, whichever your state calls it. There there's a whole bunch of things behind that contract. And, yes, sacrificing your kids under the feudal system is exactly that when you get a marriage certificate or a marriage license.
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Yep.
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The two people actually love each other. They don't need them licensed. They don't need a certificate. They just need to say I do.
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Thank you, bro. You got it.
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Yep. And I do believe that they handle the spiritual side too by insisting on a blood test because what do they do with the blood?
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Well, that very well could be, Paul. But They're vampires.
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Yep.
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Well, they have in their they have eating lunch. They have in their possessions the biology of both the mother and the father of the offspring, so therefore, they have a biological property right in them. Thank you, Gary.
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Hello. 66660 Mennonite. Come in. Come in. Do do Mennonite I respect Mennonite. Do Mennonite call, our our creator? Do they call him him what do you call him by name? Do you say God or Jehovah or Jehovah or Yeshua or however they say it?
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How about father?
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Yeah. Father. Heavenly father. What may I ask what how do you address how do you call his name? Thank you.
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Any one of those.
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Oh, okay.
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Do you believe in Jesus?
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I would certainly think so.
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As God one with God? Jesus was God's son. Uh-oh. Here we go. Never mind.
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And, yes, they are one.
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As is the third one, the breath of holiness. First John five seven, the three year one.
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So, young Mennonite, what's your first name?
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Well, I'm not the one getting the marriage license. It's my son.
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Right. But, but you've called in before, right, Rogers? You've been on you've been on here before.
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I was.
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And did you say your name then?
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Al.
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Like
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h a l or o w l? Or
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a l. Al.
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Oh, Al.
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Stop, Joan. No. Really. I stopped. I I was thinking the same thing. I was gonna say that, o w l, but, of course, it's a l, like Albert or some type.
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Okay. Al. But so, what do you think so far?
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Alan is on the screen. Alan. So Al for short.
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I have an idea. I have a suggestion. Every Sunday after.
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You do? Wow. Thank you.
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I do, but I've been trying to contact you, and you never let me contact you. So that's not very good. Do I never let you contact me? I tried to email you.
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With with the, Hotmail or the or oh, well, this isn't a good email on here. This is fake, the one I have in this in here. I've got two emails, and I don't care who knows it. But that's the easiest one. Merbailey, merbailey,@Hotmail.com. That's the easiest one. That's the one that's on my page on, RBN. If you go to the host slash schedule and go down to my yours truly, Mer, and click on there, you'll see I don't have Internet. Oh, yeah. Sorry. Yeah. I guess you wouldn't. Well, anyway, that's it. But, you said you were emailing, though. Right? So I guess you go to the library or something?
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No. I can do it through this, landline phone.
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Oh, okay.
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Al, if I may got your email from
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what's that? If I may make a suggestion. So, you're one of the fathers. Is there another father involved? Yes. Okay. Why don't the four of you, the fathers, the, spiritual leaders of each family, and the young ones get together and work out the vows between the children and also the blessing and the grant of, like, I, I offer to you my daughter as I know that you will. I firmly believe that you will, in every case, protect, nurture, and support her. And then the, the son's father does the same thing and pledges the son to the daughter. And just put just make it a family affair in front of all kinds of witnesses, friends, have a huge party, lots of food, and just make it something that is absolutely pivotal and revolutionary in your environment, in your town, in your village, whatever it is, and just see what happens.
You don't need the business.
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It's hard when you have a part of a denomination to, to honor both those things because, but you can surrender things. You can accept, and then surrender things back, like the baptismal certificate, like the birth certificate, like the marriage certificate. So, thus getting out of the jurisdictions. There's a lot of social pressure within denominations including snake handlers. And I'm speaking as a Catholic, so I hear you, Mennonite. I mean, we got bishops too, and we work with Mormons that have bishops and everything else. So
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Let me ask you a question.
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That is
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why
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Jerry,
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you're breaking up really bad. You gotta turn your head or move closer to a window or something like that. Sorry. It's real hard to pick out what you're saying. Hey, Paul. Hang on, Larry.
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Is this any better? Yes. Much better. Okay. Yeah. I just had to move my phone. But, anyway, ask yourselves why is there a place in the Bible that can record marriages and births and family history, and why is the Bible still admissible in court? Yeah. So record the marriage and the family Bible, and you're married. You're done in God's eyes.
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That's all I
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Thank you, Gary. Good idea.
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Paul, I was gonna ask, when you record a marriage in the Bible or even a bat, a birth. Have you seen seen it where they actually put a couple of lines for witnesses
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and the witnesses sign and print their name out I don't know. Right under it? That would be a good question for, Brent Winters because I believe he added a family record portion of the, winterized bible. Ask him how he did it.
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You can do that, and and then you can bring it to the county and re get it, recorded in the county as a, you know, civil document if you want. You know? Just take that page, take that whole bible in, and let them run a copy to get it stamped. So if you do need a a civil, like, for whatever, reason,
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you'd have it, but it would be recorded at the county.
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Just,
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His problem is not all of this stuff. It's that the church isn't gonna recognize it because they don't. If it's anything but a licensed marriage by the state.
[00:36:06] Unknown:
Just as a curiosity, I want to get my family bible because I know my mom has information recorded in it. And so the family registry is a certificate of marriage is what it's titled as. So I don't know.
[00:36:24] Unknown:
There you have that. It is labeled as a certificate of marriage in there. And they're usually right those pages are in the very middle of the Bible. Right? That's usually how it was as I remember. The, births, marriages, and
[00:36:38] Unknown:
deaths. Yeah. Mine's a little bit more than halfway in, it appears.
[00:36:48] Unknown:
How will you re, retract a marriage license? Do you go to the county and, when the affidavit is, void or something like that? How does anybody know how you do that?
[00:37:02] Unknown:
Roger has mentioned that when you send in your affidavit, it it revokes all of those past contracts. It overrides them all.
[00:37:12] Unknown:
Well, he he's referring he he's referring to that as canceled and supersede previous affidavits. It doesn't cancel all contracts unless it specifically states that it cancels and rescinds all contracts, and there is a way to do that, but it's a different document that has to be filed.
[00:37:32] Unknown:
If I may.
[00:37:34] Unknown:
Yeah. I do. Joe Lutz
[00:37:37] Unknown:
has come up here on a Saturday, I don't know, within the last couple of months, and he talked about canceling that license, that marriage license with a, with a stamp, and you you cancel the stamp. And I don't remember all the details, but you you write something across the stamp, you know, diagonally from bottom left to upper right. And, and you I think you send it in, and it pretty much cancels that contract. And I you know, there is a little more detail there that I'd sure like to get Joe back up on here. Anyway, I yield.
[00:38:16] Unknown:
Dave was doing a Rogers sales show Saturday?
[00:38:21] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. It was a Rogers sales Saturday show, back, oh, I know it was probably a couple months now because it's the June. It had to be in maybe April or something.
[00:38:39] Unknown:
Question?
[00:38:40] Unknown:
There's various members in our family are considering that including myself because, I think there's an extra layer. I don't know if that what Paul meant, but, not just your affidavit because, you know, you are a infant no matter what under that marriage license. And everybody talks about driver's license, that's important. But marriage license, it hooks you up in so many ways that's incredible. And, and they always think you're a child and that you're dependent on the on the system. So it's a good thing to remove. And plus, if you're a spiritual person, we shouldn't have that license.
But there gotta be a way that you don't have to go through procedures in court, and you do it straight, and you, void that, that contract.
[00:39:35] Unknown:
So, look, I have a question for the gentleman in Mennonite gentleman. I think his name is Al. I was wondering if, both families I don't know if this I think you said it's your son. The the the bride to be's family, are they in the same page as you are with, not having a life marriage license? Question.
[00:40:11] Unknown:
The way I understood my son was that his, to be wife also does not have a, photo ID and does not want one. But she's from a different state. So I don't know. As far as I know, they're on the same page.
[00:40:34] Unknown:
Al, isn't this really between you and your your church? Doesn't doesn't that what it comes down to? Because they're the ones requiring that for the state, aren't they?
[00:40:49] Unknown:
Yes. It is. But it's like the guy said prior. It's, hard to get out of, you know, the way the church is set up and everything. And that's the way it's always been. The bishop has always done the marriage. And, of course, the party won't accept anything else that is getting married. And, you know, that's that's the way it's always been done. They always had marriage license. When I got married, you know, thirty some years ago, we had to get a blood test and then a marriage license. Mhmm. And then we took it to the bishop, and he signed it, and he married us in a ceremony at the house, not at the church.
And that's the way we have our marriages.
[00:41:32] Unknown:
Hey, Al. What what is if both families are agreed, why don't y'all have y'all own, like, you know, kinda like what, Paul was describing, have y'all own marriage, have it in writing write write in, and then come to the courthouse and
[00:41:52] Unknown:
it doesn't
[00:41:53] Unknown:
outside the church. Yeah. It's outside the church. The church is not gonna accept that. Yeah. Okay. Question.
[00:42:00] Unknown:
Nobody gets that. This is a this is more of a a matter of spiritual, and you gotta make a decision whether you think your church is right about this or not. Spiritual That's really what it comes to mind. Spiritual
[00:42:13] Unknown:
sounds nice. This is what it is.
[00:42:16] Unknown:
If I might add okay. So they always can get married later with a with this, marriage license. But this is time you know, if the young couple's wanting to get married soon, this is a way to go ahead and let them get married and then talk to your show put forth your evidence of why this is, what the significance of the way they're doing it is, and you just might change a heart. Probably not, but you could change a heart and then cross the road. What they say about us, better to ask forgiveness than to get permission or something like that? Sometimes They don't they don't have photo ID, and they need that as well.
[00:42:58] Unknown:
And they don't want photo ID. Well So they're in in between two masters here. Maybe maybe there's another gist of the whole problem. It's not the marriage license. It's the photo ID.
[00:43:08] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. Here's the, here's a suggestion. The State Department, the US State Department or Department of State, They allow, various types of identification. You get a passport card. The passport card is the highest form of ID. The passport card can reflect their status as nationals, as natural persons. Would the church accept that? But isn't it still a photo ID, Paul? Sorry to interrupt. Yeah. It's yeah. It's still a it's still a photo ID, but, oh, crap. You know, there's there's the whole, no pictures, no photos. That's that's a violation of religious freedom is what it is, and the church is going along with it.
I'm sorry. I didn't mean to step on you, Paul. The church is going along with it. Uh-uh. You know, don't you don't you agree on that? The church is going along with, the actual, scrapping of a firmly held religious belief just to get married?
[00:44:32] Unknown:
Well, I'm I'm so confused. I thought the problem was,
[00:44:36] Unknown:
the bishop wanting a marriage license. No. There's more No. It's the bishop wants photo IDs. Wants photo ID.
[00:44:45] Unknown:
Then then He needs a photo ID to to to sanction his his position with the state to do this so called lawfully or legally.
[00:44:56] Unknown:
Right?
[00:44:58] Unknown:
Right. But The bishop does not need the photo ID. The state needs the photo ID.
[00:45:03] Unknown:
Right.
[00:45:06] Unknown:
Hey. Hey, guys. Alabama
[00:45:09] Unknown:
passed a rob with, I don't know, like, a year, two, three. No more than that. They're not giving license no no more for marriage. What they're accepting as common law is an affidavit with two witness, and then they record that in the county. They've passed that law, I think, was a year or two years ago. So it's probably the only state or a couple of states, they're not giving license no more. And then they said that, they're not there to process no more license, And the only thing they're gonna do now is record where it gives a, an affidavit witness of their of their marriage with two witness, and they'll use that as a recording in the county.
That could be a solution.
[00:45:59] Unknown:
Go to Alabama.
[00:46:02] Unknown:
If you do that, then they've got you. That's a I got you.
[00:46:07] Unknown:
I would think that maybe you could get around the photo ID legally with a notarized witness number of witnesses as to who you are, what's your age and sex, and everything else is. That should be able to stand in as a in replacement for the photo ID, I would think, to do that right. So that there's no mistaking who you are, in in other words, you know, witnessed and notarized. That could also be filed. But
[00:46:59] Unknown:
So, do the Mennonite vote, Do they have anything to do with government? And, also, do they not like to have I thought maybe they don't want to have their pictures taken like the Amish. The Amish do not want to have their pictures taken. Right? So the Mennonite, vote has anything to do with government, and are they against having their pictures taken?
[00:47:30] Unknown:
Well, that's a pretty broad question. As far as voting, it is allowed, and we're a very conservative Mennonite church. We drive horse and buggy. It is allowed, but it's frowned upon. I held a voter card from Lancaster County and from Missouri. That was in Pennsylvania and from Missouri for quite a number of years. I, got caught up in the xenon rights movement, which I know is bad news for some people. But anyway, that's how I became a national. And one of the requirements there was to get rid of the voter registration, which I did. And it was required that I write to my county, and they had to send a a written letter out saying that I was no longer registered.
So we did that. As far as, other people, I mean, other Mennonites, the Mennonite and Amish, they're they're I mean, it's just endless with the amount of churches that there are. Anywhere from very, very conservative to very, very liberal. There are Amish out there that carry cell phones and have all the modern conveniences. There are some that won't even use lawnmowers. That's a big difference. And the the Mennonites are the same way. So you can't can't sort of put them all under this is the way they do because they do a lot of different things. As far as taking pictures, it's frowned upon in our community. However, there are people that don't care and do it anyway.
And I think that's some of the problem. There's too many that don't care about it, and therefore, it's sort of left slip. But as for me and my family, we were taught that you shouldn't have your picture taken. So that's where our concern comes in.
[00:49:24] Unknown:
Because that's a grave image. Right?
[00:49:28] Unknown:
Yes. It is.
[00:49:30] Unknown:
And when I It's a religious it's a religious belief that you don't you shouldn't have to have a picture ID. By you.
[00:49:42] Unknown:
Correct. Yeah. So when I
[00:49:47] Unknown:
go ahead.
[00:49:48] Unknown:
I was I was just gonna say you're talking about, old order, is she right?
[00:49:55] Unknown:
Yes. Old or Amish and Old Order Mennonites. But even those groups are being infiltrated by the modern technology, it's a constant fight.
[00:50:08] Unknown:
Well, it would be kinda like saying all all Christians believe the same thing. We all know that that's just not true.
[00:50:20] Unknown:
That's right. All Christians don't believe the same thing. We just heard that today. Everybody knows about Christian Zionists.
[00:50:28] Unknown:
There it's also like saying all Jews are not bankers, but all bankers are Jews.
[00:50:39] Unknown:
Ding ding ding. On
[00:50:41] Unknown:
on Anna Van Wright, will she does she have you, I've heard something about her that, she, she takes something what what was it? You come under her authority. Is that is that the case
[00:51:01] Unknown:
with Anna Vanwright? To have your birth certificate was something weird. One of the last things I remember hearing about her association.
[00:51:10] Unknown:
Is that correct? I have not been involved with that organization since probably over a year ago. Okay. I started listening to Roger and sort of liked his message a lot better. But, see, I'd already gone through all the paperwork. I think we filed, like, 30 papers with the courthouse. And one of the papers that was in there, somebody was asking about revoking the signature on the marriage license. There was a paper in there that we signed that said, it's called a revocation of signature on the marriage license. And then we had it signed and stamped by the, notary public.
[00:51:53] Unknown:
So so should I should I read what it says on there? I know that. What that did was that rescinded your signature on the marriage marriage license and enrolled it.
[00:52:03] Unknown:
Yeah. That's what I thought. One thing I noticed after that, we got letters from the IRS. And after I've after I've filed that, the, letters were addressed to me and then also to my wife, a separate letter.
[00:52:20] Unknown:
Mhmm.
[00:52:21] Unknown:
So I found that sort of interesting before it always had mine, my wife's name on the same letter.
[00:52:27] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, because mean they don't recognize their marriage anymore? You became two independent legal entities individuals. Because before when the marriage license was enforced, they were addressing the corporate personhood, which was the union of two parties. But when you unwound that, then they had to reach out to each person individually in their individual capacity. So the photo ID is required to get a license, and the license is required by the bishop. Right? That's what I understand it. Okay. Well, if the photo ID is required to get the license, that is a violation of firmly held religious beliefs.
So if the state cannot figure out a way to grant a license without a photo ID, then those kids have to, have to make odes to each other in the presence of family and friends, friends and neighbors, and just go on with life. And if the church doesn't recognize it, y'all might have to start looking for another church.
[00:54:00] Unknown:
Well, you know, Paul, if I may interject, Al, you've already brought up how the church has slacked on different modern amenities, and and you you're bringing up grounds on, your firmly held belief about, taking a x taking a picture. Photo. Sorry. Sorry. Photo. And then plus, the thing about the state owning the the offsprings. So you have firm grounds for bringing up to the bishop to, you know okay. Here here the church is allowing this. You know? Not not not intentionally, but it is happening. And this is re the photo IDs required, which is against my firmly held belief, plus the license.
Now that I now understand, the license now ties my children to the state where the state has control over my or my grandchildren, I should say. Anyways so so I think you have some good grounds for, you know, go ahead and let the children with with the two families come together and have a have a wedding. And then, hopefully, the bishop will come on board and later have it hopefully, you all can talk him into having a regular, you know, without a marriage license. You know? You know what I'm saying? May maybe the bishop can later come on board and see you know? It may take him time because everything everybody's so programmed.
I yield. Yeah.
[00:55:41] Unknown:
Help. Help. I understand. I understand what you're saying.
[00:55:45] Unknown:
The union has to be affirmed by and under God, not affirmed by and under and under the state of Missouri. And if the bishop doesn't go along with that, maybe he shouldn't be a bishop.
[00:56:02] Unknown:
Well, I don't see it. There's a
[00:56:04] Unknown:
Well supreme there's a Supreme Court case, self v Ray. And in that opinion, one of the judges said the common law is the real law. One significant takeaway from this case according to some interpretations is the idea that the common law is the real law, the supreme law of the land, and that codes, rules, regulations, policy, and statutes are not the law.
[00:56:43] Unknown:
You know, and the bottom line is in marriage, it's between each other and God. You know, if you do your vows to each other and God is hearing you, you're you're married. I would think the Bishop of all people would know that. It shouldn't be governed by like, we're all saying the state, the whoever with all this crap about getting a photo ID.
[00:57:13] Unknown:
Yeah. Two things. Why why does the state want a picture at photo ID, and why would a Mennonite bishop who who knows Mennonites don't wanna vote and don't wanna have their photo taken? Why why wouldn't he why would he go along with that? Thank you.
[00:57:37] Unknown:
Because he's got licensed by the state, and he's following their rules. I think what Al has to do is really consider just the proper for him to be in if he really wants to get out of Babylon.
[00:57:58] Unknown:
We have a Mennonite community here in Hobbs, New Mexico, and they they grow crops and stuff like that, but they get subsidies from the government, hence the licensing.
[00:58:19] Unknown:
You know? And that wouldn't be allowed in our church.
[00:58:22] Unknown:
Well, like Al Alson, he's got a little more conservative church, but, obviously, for me, it wouldn't be conservative enough.
[00:58:31] Unknown:
You know, Al, it's hard to, I I I wouldn't be just rushing to jump to separate from the church. Okay? Because, you know, you get lifelong friends and, you know, so forth and so forth.
[00:58:43] Unknown:
Yeah. I understand, but this is the question you really have to ask yourself. You're either gonna go along with this and sacrifice your children to the state. Really, it the way I look at it spiritually, you're giving up a part of your soul to the state, not just, you know, a legal matter. It It's a it's a real dilemma, and I I feel for Al. But Hey, Al. Problem is this this bishop is in a position where he's serving two masters.
[00:59:23] Unknown:
I I if, I would say it would be better to let the bishop kick you out of the church than to leave the church unless you have a feeling you should leave the church. You see what I'm saying? Unless you have inner knowing to leave the church, I would say let the bishop kick you out of the church. Do what your conscience tells you to do with you know, and talk to the other family. Do what the con your conscience leads you to do. If the bishop doesn't like it, he can kick you out. You know? And and you have you have strong grounds to why you're doing what you're doing. You know? You see what I'm saying? Before God, you have a strong position.
I yield.
[01:00:04] Unknown:
Yeah. And you could give him that option, option, a a due diligence of saying, listen. We'll we'll both do sworn affidavits with witnesses, contesting to who we are so that we don't have to break our faith by getting a photo.
[01:00:19] Unknown:
Usually, though, in the Amish community, if you are kicked out of the church, you're shunned by the community. I'm not sure about the Mennonites, but I wouldn't wanna be kicked out. I'd rather leave on my own accord. And And I don't know what the community would think. Would they shun you then, Alan? I yield.
[01:00:41] Unknown:
Well, that that's why I think we should do the best he can to satisfy the bishop reasonably and not go against what what what his own beliefs and his and his the the two people who are gonna be married here also believe that this photo is is wrong. And by doing an affidavit that witnesses proving who they are, who can argue with that?
[01:01:06] Unknown:
Right. The if the bishop is making forcing them to have a photo ID to get married in a Mennonite church, then he's he's part of the problem. He's an agent. He's been infiltrated.
[01:01:18] Unknown:
Yeah. But Yeah. If you if you feel good good good cause and due diligence and then you relieve, that's a whole lot better than not giving them an option to start with is all I'm saying.
[01:01:31] Unknown:
Even even the state of Alabama does not require you with a a photo. Just the affidavit with a witness. So Yeah. All depends on the state.
[01:01:43] Unknown:
Y'all aren't letting Al chime in his thoughts too to just I'm just saying. Yeah. I'm sorry. We gathered that.
[01:01:56] Unknown:
Al, before you chime in, what I suggest I was coming from a different perspective, not from your community perspective. So, you know, take it for what it's worth. I don't mean to get anyone discommunicated from their community. Not at all. I yield.
[01:02:21] Unknown:
Hello, George. I have a bishop question for George. George, are you still there? You said something about bishop, your bishop? Yes, ma'am. Hey. Did did you say that there's a bishop at your in your denomination?
[01:02:40] Unknown:
Yes. The original hierarchy that, that they had come up with was, you know, popes, cardinals, archbishops, I guess, and then bishops. But, but, yeah, just a comment too on, on what, Al was going through. There might be a statute that says that a, photo ID may be may be, protested or might be a religious accommodation, you know, not having one. So I don't know if in your state is, Samuel's right, you know, as far as the licensing. So and I think, you know, all these certificates are just basically financial instruments in the long run or or or ways to provide, you know, provide a surety for things.
That's why we wanna accept them and surrender these things so that we're not surety. But but, I don't know if they're you know, if you've investigated that out, if they can pull a state statute since they're using the state licensing to do the the the actual picture. Perhaps there's a statute that has a religious accommodation already, especially being a strong Mennonite, an Amish state like Missouri.
[01:03:51] Unknown:
So, George, was that a was that the cat was that a Catholic bishop you were talking about in your denomination?
[01:03:59] Unknown:
Yes. Catholic.
[01:04:01] Unknown:
Okay. And, what was I gonna say? Hold up. Go ahead, Al. I I have to remember what I was gonna say.
[01:04:24] Unknown:
Well, I just wanna add, here the Amish, have told me that, most of them came from the Catholic faith. So they they, kind of you know, that's one reason. Like, with the bishop and everything, it's kind of a kind of a knock off from that. Use that as a template or whatever. But I I say this requires a lot of prayer from all of us.
[01:04:51] Unknown:
I remember I remember what I was gonna say. It was it had to do with what Eli James said yesterday about, at least I remembered it was Eli James, and now I gotta remember. But it's something about oh, yeah. It reminded me of an, oh, shoot. I'm sorry. I have to get my thought what exactly but go ahead, anybody.
[01:05:27] Unknown:
Al, has this been helpful?
[01:05:32] Unknown:
Or at least entertaining?
[01:05:44] Unknown:
Yeah. Is that Here it is. In my opinion
[01:05:47] Unknown:
Here it is. In my Here it is. In my Here it is. Okay. Go ahead.
[01:05:52] Unknown:
Okay. Oh, shoot. Go ahead, Sandra.
[01:05:57] Unknown:
I think I forgot mine now too.
[01:06:00] Unknown:
Well, I know I forget mine.
[01:06:02] Unknown:
The bishop the bishop is the bishop is not doing his job, in my opinion, if he doesn't give his people and the belief system of his group options not to break what they believe is to be followed. I mean, how can you have A bishop is a legitimate term. The cardinals and all that crap isn't. I mean, we had bishops of Alexander in the in the early church, etcetera. These were, like, main leaders of the group because they knew the law. They knew how to teach it, and they were the preservers of that system that were cons to be the go to guide when there was a religious question. Now this guy seems to me to
[01:06:53] Unknown:
be serving two masters. And Well, see, this is the thing better than that. This is the thing we don't understand though too. In these, circles, they, it depends on the group. They sort of agree on things, and then the bishop decides whether or not to go ahead. Like I said, in Pennsylvania, the Amish were voting to back Trump in the first election.
[01:07:15] Unknown:
Well, from what I know about the Mennonite religion is
[01:07:19] Unknown:
this marriage issue is exactly what he's saying it is, Al. And that just is in is is but I didn't know about them being against photo ID. If that's a belief and your system's a a main kingpin in your system called a bishop doesn't uphold it, what the heck is that about?
[01:07:44] Unknown:
Samuel.
[01:07:45] Unknown:
The bride to be has a the bride to be has an ID without a from a different state without a photograph, Al said. So maybe Mhmm. Maybe the young gentleman can, the groom to be can do something likewise in Missouri May I? Perhaps.
[01:08:03] Unknown:
Yeah. Please Paul. If there is anything to be known as a maximum of law in the Amish and Mennonite community, it is bring cash, no photos. Okay? So what I would say
[01:08:21] Unknown:
Some of them accept text. Go ahead. Okay. Well, what I would say
[01:08:26] Unknown:
is as the spiritual leaders of each family, the father of the bride and the father of the groom get together, and they both officiate at a ceremony that is, attended by the bishop either in his personal or private capacity. He can also be a witness to the union, which will be recorded in the family bible, and then they have a party and everybody goes back to work. They have said their oath to each other under God, officiated by the religious head of each of their households, and witnessed by friends, neighbors, and kin. This is not a big deal. Do it.
[01:09:09] Unknown:
Also also just adding to that too. My understanding is also back in the day, the churches actually themselves had a recorded I don't know if it was in a Bible, but they had a record book of marriages and births and the families of the members of the church with those recorded also, another way of recording these things. Deaths, all you know?
[01:09:38] Unknown:
Ultimately, this has solved the problem when got a system that is serving two masters. They they're standing for God, and they're standing in there for man. And, in most of the churches in this country
[01:09:54] Unknown:
Well, I I that's where I was all I was gonna chime that in because it's like, yeah. And if it's not a five zero one c three church, I think is when the churches were more responsible for keeping records. They were not state agents. They were agents for God.
[01:10:12] Unknown:
But I think Yeah. I think if given an opportunity to choose between serving man or serving God, that that bishop would see it as a acceptable compromise to be present at the ceremony and to be a witness to the union. I think that is something that he could do, even if he did it in his private capacity. He could do it either as a bishop or as a private person.
[01:10:44] Unknown:
Yeah. Present but not presiding. Right. Present but not presiding.
[01:10:48] Unknown:
Witnessing but not presiding. I think that's something that he could do that would be in keeping with his ethical, moral, and legal obligations.
[01:11:01] Unknown:
If I may, is this a Catholic church or a Mennonite church?
[01:11:09] Unknown:
It's Mennonite, he said.
[01:11:11] Unknown:
I don't know. It's a Mennonite church. Don't they believe in the 10 commandments? No graven images?
[01:11:20] Unknown:
I I think you should take there's a big old fashioned cameras with a thousand watt flashbulb in it and ask the the bishop if I can take a photo of you.
[01:11:30] Unknown:
Just go in and start flashing pictures at him. See what he does. Oh. You might hold a swath up at you and throw some holy water on you. Like those godfather,
[01:11:40] Unknown:
like the godfather? Yeah. And they're taking in the parking lot?
[01:11:45] Unknown:
Yeah. They're killing people while they're while they're baptizing a baby. Right?
[01:11:50] Unknown:
At the wedding.
[01:11:53] Unknown:
Hey. Hey, Al. Hey, Al. Al. Can you hear me? Is the Mennonite Church a five o I'm looking to see. It it it is the Mennonite Church a 501C3 or 5013C, however you say it? And, also, Al, the other thing I thought of I wanted to say that I thought of, five minutes ago is, don't what about her, like like like a religious exemption
[01:12:29] Unknown:
or a contract? He's not he's not here anymore.
[01:12:33] Unknown:
Oh my gosh.
[01:12:36] Unknown:
We talked him away.
[01:12:38] Unknown:
Shocking, isn't it? We were talking to him. I think his eyes glazed over, and he hit the wrong button and hung up and said
[01:12:56] Unknown:
Anyways, I'm not seeing him. Are you seeing him? Paul Paul, check too. It's 66. He's gone.
[01:13:03] Unknown:
66.
[01:13:04] Unknown:
That's why he couldn't get in on the show because he wasn't quite assertive enough to, get his voice heard, unfortunately.
[01:13:12] Unknown:
Or maybe he heard enough.
[01:13:15] Unknown:
No. I mean, on the show. He said he couldn't get on the show because, we were all talking too much.
[01:13:20] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[01:13:22] Unknown:
So I I have a I have a nosy question. I'm on a flip phone. At what point did he hang up? Does it did he who was talking when he hung up?
[01:13:32] Unknown:
I know you were I right. I didn't I didn't I didn't
[01:13:36] Unknown:
I didn't Natalie, Danny.
[01:13:39] Unknown:
And I'm sorry. Go ahead. But I know I did. You know? He was still here for sure when I said, y'all aren't letting Al get a word in. He was still and he was still here for a bit after that. And there was a lot of time when he was here too that his mic was open. So what you know? People with manners and stuff, it takes them a minute to get here to learn. It's not really that rude to say a.
[01:14:14] Unknown:
Yeah. If he's come up in the religion and everything, though, that's a hierarchy that's you're not gonna wanna buck that. You know? He himself, let alone the ones that are getting married.
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And so who's the best one?
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That's who I really feel for, and I don't know I don't know quite I know, generally, you're raised to be very respectful with the kids. And it's ultimately I'm calling them the kids. We don't know how old they are, but you know what I mean? That wanna get married and are getting this BS. Yeah. And are they gonna give in or not? Would they even, you know, it sounds even like him. He he's not. He's trying to respect their wishes.
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Mhmm.
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Well, god love all of them because, it's not very often these days that, you know, people hold that firm to their religious beliefs. I wish them the best.
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Well, you know, Christianity
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used to be the mainstream media media, religion, the, culture is what I'm saying. And and really, you know, culture is like religion, externally, you know, whatever, externalized. But now it's the counterculture.
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Satanism. So I'm living down to Satanism as the main culture now. But you know you know where to, and it's also a big thing to divide. Churches were a great place of unity where a lot of the rebellion and stuff against the systems were in the churches before the churches were so taken over, and so they you know? That's a big reason why they were targeted, in my opinion.
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Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I was doing a search on Yandex, you know, just with the different things about Missouri and and the requirements, and the only thing that would come up was about same sex marriage and how some of them had caved. And I couldn't find anything about I even typed it in opposite sex marriage. You know? I mean, that's how far how far we've, gone to the other extreme.
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That that's another thing that if you're a religious person and you're buying into the marriage license, you're technically buying into the same sex marriage since 02/2015.
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Yeah. Because I don't think the license recognizes sex anymore.
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No. It it's just it you know, I mean, there wasn't one of the biggest reasons they tried to keep religion and politics separate in this country is because everybody was getting their own ox gourd. So if you had more Quakers in one community than you had Puritans, etcetera, and they ran the laws, you got screwed. And there was a lot of that fighting going on within this country early on, and they tried to keep
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government out of it. But now what do we got? Government's still running it. Well, you can't separate the spiritual and the physical, you know, and that's the thing. Let's what did the Lord say? Render under Caesar the things that are Caesar and unto God the things that are God's, and we're God's.
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Yeah. But what's happening in in communities instead instead of doing what you thought was correct, you had to do what the ruler said was correct. And that was just in the majority of the people who are running the governments in those communities early on. So that's why we became more open to you get to practice what you want. But now the state itself is eliminating that to licenses and everything else.
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But churches churches are not forced to do same sex marriages that I know of, are they? They still can but but the people have the right because it's a state union.
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Okay. Somebody answer me this. How can a marriage be consummated
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if you don't have the right parts? The right equipment. That's exactly right. It cannot be, and that's why it's so legitimate. Right.
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Why is that
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I'm just saying that if you're if you're getting a marriage license, you're going along with the worst of it, and that's the worst of it that they've now recognized since 02/2015, same sex and everything other kind of marriages since.
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Remember remember it should be called marriages. Okay. There's a million to do something.
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Otherwise be unlawful. A license is to do something that would otherwise be unlawful. Convictional permit accommodates sin. It does not judge it.
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It Another thing An an
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anal sex was always unlawful.
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That's right. Another thing. They think they're a different branch or denomination. Once you get a state license, that congregation, they all have the same doctrine. It doesn't matter if it's different branches or an, pentacle or a Baptist. They're all on the same state, and they all have to follow the same rule. So even though they think they are their document is completely different to the denomination next door to them, under that state license, they are one. So maybe he should approach them and give them a different angle and say, why are we saying look at that clause saying they're all the same church under the state license as a five one c three. And maybe that opens his, his, his sales and his brains.
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Well, he said they believe in Jesus and corporate
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churches. There are unincorporated churches that are not that will marry you without a license. Even some pastors will marry you without a license. I was married without a license. I have a marriage certificate. No license was required.
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Just two witnesses.
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Just two witnesses.
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Elle, I'm a I'm a universal life minister, pastor. I've been ordained for almost thirty years now. Hell, if they'd, pay my travel expenses, I'll go down there and marry them, and I'll witness it. But I'm not licensed by the state, so I'm not gonna allow the state into their cookie jar.
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Well, that's where she never really nobody really asked. I mean so the the bishop wants them to have photo ID to get their license.
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Bishop wants them to have photo ID, the state. Alright. Bishop wants them to have a life. Alright. I gotta get in front of the microphone. The bishop wants them to have a license, and the state wants them to have an ID. Oh.
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So so then I guess
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They're both culpable.
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So right. So he never really said that they were opposed to getting a license. He said they were opposed to the photo ID to enable the license.
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Right. Well, they they should also be obvious that the church is the five zero one c three if they're requiring a license. Yeah. They should all be opposed to the acquisition of the license anyways because of its implications and the burden it puts on the union.
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That's a good point. Not not opposing the license, but opposing the the photo ID.
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I'm not certain that this is I I that's where I'm not certain that that was the issue, but I
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That's what he said. They they can't get a the bishop won't marry him without a without a marriage license, and they cannot get a marriage license without a photo ID from the state. And they don't want a photo ID.
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So there's a instance so the so then with those kids, then they want their marriage to be recognized in their church. And for it to be recognized in their church with that bishop, they need a license.
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Yeah. But then, unfortunately, it's also recognized by the state and controlled by the state.
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And that's I'm just talking about the damn rabbit holes and shit that we went down that chased the man away.
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Well
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yeah? In my own head. This is from my own head. Sorry. Sorry. This is my own clue this is for my own clarification.
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Pay no attention to the woman blathering in the corner.
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No. That's a that's
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a very good thing. I yield.
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Yeah. If he comes back
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from the computer, maybe, there's a Missouri statute that says you can do all this without a photo because of religious exemption. You know? That's fairly driven images, fairly, I believe, protected religious, belief. You know? So
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That's why I think that if they do, an affidavit type form, witnesses and notarized as to who they are, they can skip the photo part of it, submit that to their ship. And if that's not good enough for him,
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I think I'd be church shopping. This is what I'm saying though, Samuel. I don't think the kids are opposed to having the marriage license,
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but I'm not certain They're not no. It's the photo ID. I've I've I've I recognize that right off. That's what he said.
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It's the photo ID. He said the bride to be has has an ID with no photo from a different state. It's the son that needs something similar.
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Okay. Here's the deal. If they are willing to stand on their principles of not having their photo taken, they should be applying the same religious fervor and belief in, not allowing their union to be under the state. They should insist on their union being under God. Same thing. They can't they cannot deny the fact or they cannot stand on the fact they don't want a photo taken and still allow the state into their bedroom.
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So jeez. I wish we would have just been more clear with that. So based on this information, Al, that, you know, they really shouldn't get a license and they should just have, you know, at the most, a certificate, better to just have a contract
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because he heard that very well. And I suggested that an hour ago. Have two
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I know. And, like, and, like, what do you think the the couple are gonna think of that, or do you think they just really wanna get the marriage license like everybody else? But he said he had re he had rescinded his. So, I mean, maybe they haven't even really
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talked about that side of it much yet. I think that's why he hung up. He wanted to get off the phone before his before his ex wife found out.
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Well, if we're not actually married Maybe he wanted to pick pick pick our brains because he's gonna have to sit down with all these parties and discuss it with them. Maybe he's got himself some options now. I don't know. But Who knows? Me, he's really, really, really serving two masters, and that's what's, you know, sad.
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Yes.
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The bishop is. You know?
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Mhmm.
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Yeah. I guess so. Know better. He's supposed to be there standing up for his flock and protecting them and looking out for their and he should have an option like they can prove their identity with a, affidavit notarized and, with witnesses saying who they are, that should be plenty. Mhmm. Especially with their religious beliefs. I just can't imagine that this bishop is going is taking this kind of a stance. You know? Of course, he's not here to protect himself either. But Right.
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Samuel, the problem is the the system or the government lies and all that has emphasized even to the Amish and the and everybody. But when you you were born in that, in that, culture, and, and Christianity, since little, you grew up and neither 30, 50, 60, 70 years old, all their life, they've been under the direction of these elders. Elders are Yep. Biblically are elders, pastors, and bishop. It's not what people think about Catholic. It's the one that they it has certain attributes, and they function and to protect the flocks from different doctrines from all that. And that's why so when you're under that umbrella and direction of that congregation and then and suddenly you're waking up in certain area, you feel like you're sinning, that you're disobeying God by disobeying, those bishops. Some of those, I like to call them branches, has strayed the path of Christianity.
And now they have, like, a little army there, and they make you feel guilty. All the women also makes you feel guilty. So now you got this youngers that want to get married in a national way, and the father is between that two two fashion of his life, his past and the present. In the same time, so it's really hard to pull that brainwashing in a certain way even even if they're functioning and morally and ethically, they have done everything right. And now they say, wait a minute. I don't need a license. I don't need this. This is really hard to unplug that, move that situation. So we have to pray for them and and help them because you can see how in Melchized even to not the regular
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Christian Why there's really quite a
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Yep. But, Jesse, that's why there's so few people in this group is because really have to face all these issues. Spiritual ones is whether you're right or wrong there and and a whole bunch of other crap as we well know. And that that comes at a big price for a lot of people and, you know, it's
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it's not easy easy pass. Yeah. In Pennsylvania, the the the dictatorship of Pennsylvania and Philadelphia, all this was affecting even them so much, and they were raiding in their farms. And they had a big issue because someone said, we gotta stop this somehow and started thinking of voting. And the other amateur man said, no. We don't vote. So they were trying to slow down the the the tyranny that was happening in Pennsylvania, and that that created issue also within different congregation and so on. So we're all being affected. It's just incredible. This Durham and the system, this demonic thing is, hurting even decent people and and just working.
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It's it's not what I know that's killing me. It's what I know that just ain't so.
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Mhmm. Well, it kind of this line of commute, talk reminds me of Franklin's, school. What was that called? Where there the Franklin oh, shoot. It was in the early nineteen hundreds, like, 1920 or maybe earlier, where they were trying to change, they were focusing on changing society so they could bring about their changes they wanted. So they work they worked on us for a long time, you know, the the change our mindsets and how we see things. And so I I'm forgetting the complete name. It's Franklin something. Franklin School.
Everyone knows what it is. Everyone in this community knows what we're talking about, but I'm not saying it right. I yelled.
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Well, Frankfurt was a little later, but yeah.
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And we are anything but Frankfurters.
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No. What I'm saying what I'm saying is they they they focused on changing society, the thinking of society so they could bring their changes about.
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Yeah. So that's came from Prussia even before that. Okay. The kindergarten and everything else. You know? This isn't normal for children to sit in a schoolroom. You know? Yeah. It's not normal. They need to be home learning from their parents, everything. And Mhmm. Once in Massachusetts where the schooling actually, was forced upon them first, before that, the parents rebelled and rioted, and many of them were imprisoned because they wanted to keep the children home. They teach them to read the bible and do their math and everything, and then they learn everything else about life. And that's with this classical conversation thing that's, got a pretty strong hold now, different places is is like that.
You know, they have interaction between the members and, curriculum and everything, but they also, you know, the children are home, and they're learning directly. They look up there's a lot to be said to that. They look up to the parent. You shouldn't be looking up to a teacher, and and that's why you have all the craziness because the children then have peer pressure, you know, in a schoolroom. And it's it's just it's not natural. But it's part of the part of the communist manifesto and get them done away with the family and stuff. So
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which is what you think. And if you think about it, it it makes the, other children's, what they look up to and brings about, like, not a, in most cases, not a, oh, let's excel. Let's let's try harder and do better. It brings about a mediocre, oh, you think you're you're little smarty pants or, you know in in school, I'm thinking back. You know? There was this, thing about, oh, you made an a a. Maybe it's just my school. I don't know. But, anyways, there there's this there's this mediocre is bringing down,
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you you know, because Yep. Okay. I get it. It's like the, you know, grabbing the crab that's trying to escape the bucket and pulling them back in. Yep. Cult of mediocrity.
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And, Paul, I've been working on this for about a month or two because I realized that that maybe we should have a folder and a way we could bring people through different venues and, become national. And I think one of the best thing we could do, because a lot of people are getting hurt, is through this five one c three, but specifically with the marriage license. And, and maybe we should all become experts in this as best as we can. And, that's a way we could lure the women and their children and make them understand and then and create little cars with, the claws that they don't own the children and they're under the the dictatorship of this local governments and all this. And, I have based on that I have tested with many people, they are resonating more than that than when I talk about national. And then they wanna bring the national thing. And maybe that's what we should, put our focus, many of us, is on that marriage license and all the things that brings to all the evilness that brings to it. Well, well, the thing is one thing is certain.
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If they don't have an affidavit filed with the secretary of state, if they have not declared their status as a national and not a citizen of The United States, they have to get a marriage license because they don't own themselves, so they do need permission to get married from the state. The very first thing they need to do is to file an affidavit with the secretary of state. Very first thing. And then And that's the point. And then all the points until yeah. Go ahead. Then they can include that affidavit with a copy of their live birth record and a copy of their marriage agreement because it's not a certificate. It's not a license. It's a marriage agreement where both where all parties, swear an oath to, put the needs, wants, and comforts of the other first, and then file that in the county records as a public notice, not as a filing, not as a legal document, simply as a public notice.
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And then What would be a contract between them and God? Swearing oaths is not so hot. Well, it would be a contract between between,
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them and God and between each other with the state having nothing to do with that. The swearing part. I'm just pointing out the swearing part. Gotta go. This year, I'd I, so and so,
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do A a mutual agreement.
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I'd so and so, being affirmed by God, do enter freely and, without restriction into this union. That about does it for the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales on radio.globalvoiceradio.net and eurofolkradio.com, among other platforms, including radiosoapbox.com. Catch us here Monday through Saturday, 11AM to 1PM eastern. Our website is thematrixdocs.com. That is thematrixdocs.com. Thank you so much for joining us today. We'll catch you right back here tomorrow for the Thursday edition of the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales. Bye now.
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Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle. Now you're breaking the
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trees.
Run. Run. Run. Kabuki Theater.
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Yeah. Kabuki Theater. That's exactly what it is. I was I was kind of upset that we didn't hear from Joaquin today. Silent weapons for quiet wars? Yeah. Was that document actually accidentally left in a print or in a copier, or was that a plant? So they could tell us what they were planning.
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Gabe on the thumbnails a little bit more about that too, Pete.
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You can see God's hand and everything. This is how the information gets released whether they want it or not.
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You know?
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I do.
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Fine.
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Okay. I mean, the anti federalist, the ones that dug this up, this woman, she was against it and everything, but now it's out there. We wouldn't have known because they didn't even let them print it or mail it back then.
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Bruce, do you have a comment? I noticed you're, you're unmuted, and I think I'm hearing a background conversation from you. Oh, there you go. Alright. He muted. Yeah. I don't know. Yep. Things are gonna get really interesting in the next two to four weeks. That's for sure.
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Remember, Israel attacked Iran first. You know? Let's keep that straight.
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Mhmm.
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Israel's gonna direct you. You're unmuted. You got something to add?
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I mentioned he was Keep your mic open, Lisa. I like the birds.
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May I ask a question?
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Yeah.
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I had a question for Roger, but everybody, of course, was, jumping in. And he said you ought to ask it on the show, but never get a chance. So I got a son that wants to get married in the state of Missouri, and it's law, I guess, that you have to have a, photo ID. I was wondering if there's any way to get around that, if anybody knows anything.
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Private ceremony. Record the record the marriage and the family bible and keep the state out of your business. Because if you have a marriage license, the state is laying in bed right between you.
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Thank you, Paul.
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Don't get the state's per don't don't get the state's permission to do it. That's between you and your credit.
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That's correct. But what if the bishop doesn't agree to that?
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Then find a different bishop.
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Who do you serve? The bishop or your master?
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Yeah. Who do you serve? The bishop or or god? Good question. Right?
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What kind of bishop?
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I don't know. What do you mean by what kind of bishop?
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Like, Catholic or Baptist or
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So denomination.
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Yeah. That'd be a Mennonite bishop.
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Oh.
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What on earth would a Mennonite couple want with being contractually obligated to the state? Why? Why would they want that? If they wanna be under a contractual obligation that's If if they wanna be under a contractual obligation, they can write up contracts and be contractually obligated to each other to to look out for, the other part of the union's best interests, to promise, to love, honor, and obey. It could all be done by contract between persons, between parties. And they don't need somebody to say to pronounce the man and wife. They're partners.
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Has anybody here read a marriage license to see what's actually being licensed?
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The fruit of the union, the offspring, and the and the, marital assets.
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And there also used to be certificates of marriage versus, marriage licenses. Not saying I don't know much about that, but that might be something they wanna look into. Some I don't know.
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Well, the ones that I've read and from several different states said they were licensing the person performing the ceremony.
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So what with every marriage licenses license, it licenses the the person that's performing the ceremony?
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All the ones I read say that.
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The original licenses started out between, different races. Like in Virginia, if you wanted to marry a pure white, you wanna marry a black, you gotta get permission. That's how they started. And it's It's my it's my
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understanding that I started in the state of Illinois after the war of northern aggression. And that's And that's right. Is a racial contract.
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I've read that too. But would that be because I've seen some copies of certificates of marriage, and they're, like, in the twenties and stuff is one I had seen. So would that be pertaining to the same thing, though? Do you guys I have no idea, really, other than I know, like, it's before the bankruptcy, but I do know that it was first for interracial marriages. So I don't I don't know.
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Well, I wasn't talking about, certificates, but the license to get married.
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Well, licenses is technically, you know, the the right to do something that would otherwise be illegal. Right?
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Right. So the person performing the ceremony would be doing something illegal if they had not gotten the license.
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So why have a person get the license and sign it?
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Okay. But I don't know. Like, I'm saying with the certificate of marriage, like, look at your car and a certificate of title. It is not the true title. So like I said, I just don't know.
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Yeah. But I thing I
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is bishops are on the chessboard for a reason.
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Yeah. It's like having a five zero one c three marriage.
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This is Irby. I'm a retired minister. I've never been licensed by the state to do like, marriages or funerals. The licensure that we've received is from churches, local churches, but they were five zero one c three and all that. So, you know, that's a backdoor, I guess, into it. Now I do only the religious ceremonies and, like, brother Paul was saying, record it in your bible. And you can even make your own certificates, you know, put on the wall for people. Are you really married? Yeah. I'm really married. You know?
What they mean is did you go to the courthouse or the state, or it's not a real marriage? Well, what did they do before all that? You know? What the old testament people do? So it is a thing, and I think we should be pushing harder on that because one of the things you read the small print in licensure, they own your children. And that's why they can come in and say the children belong to us. You have no say so. Because legally, that's the truth. If you've married under the state or, you know, got licensed under the state, you bought into it, and you signed that contract.
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Hello? Hello, young Mennonite, Beyonce person? Have you asked your bishop if he will if he will do it without a license marriage license?
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We did not.
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Well, you could ask him. Right?
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That is correct. That's my next step.
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Well Is this is this this is a Mennonite man speaking?
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Yes.
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Where where are you? What location?
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Missouri.
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Missouri? Yes. You're kinda breaking up. Okay. So you Bishop, would are you Catholic?
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Mennonites aren't Catholic.
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Amish have I'm sorry. You're breaking up. I can't understand you. Amish have bishops also. That's what they call their leader.
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Dave, he's only breaking up. Right here. I'm fine.
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You can? Yeah. Okay. Everybody seems to be
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kinda breaking up a little bit. I think you've got background noise, and it's, interfering. It's interfering with it's it's trying to enable your microphone when somebody else is talking. I think it's really interesting that the state has no claim over a, well, for lack of a better word, a bastard unless the custodial parent signs overwrites to the child by calling in the state to collect child support. So in effect, if they don't have ownership over the child through marriage, then a custodial parent actually sells the child to the state, in effect. I mean, they don't call it that, but that is where the parent grants jurisdiction to the state to not only control the child, but to collect child support.
The love of mammon.
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So if I may, to the Mennonite man, do do you all have home church, or do you actually go to a church building?
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We have church in a building. It's not a home church.
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You have a church building?
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Yes.
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Okay. How'd you find out about this group?
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Well, if he's a Mennonite, then he already knows about it. And I was in a room full of guys. I thought they were Amish. And I asked, the one guy, it was about six of them, and he was kind of a leader. And I asked him, what's the difference between Mennonites and Amish? And I was going I was thinking he was going to talk about, a theological thing, and that was my interest. But what he said was the difference between us Mennonites and Amish is 75 miles an hour. I just like and I got it because you can use the technology and stuff. And I loved it, man. That I, you know, I've really seriously thought about converting to Mennonites. And, you know, that's, yeah, that's that's a great group in my personal opinion, but what do I know? Right?
[00:13:35] Unknown:
I got a question. Well, here in Michigan, we have Amish and Mennonites, and I the first guy we met, is a was an Amish man, and he told me that the Amish were all Mennonites at one time. But then when the Mennonites decided that they wanted, you know, more modern conveniences like electricity and and automobiles, the Amish broke off from the Mennonites and, you know, created that they were from the old world, and they don't use mostly, they use battery operated stuff. Some have, most of them have generators like Honda generators, and they power use power equipment in their shops or, you know, out on-site, where they work for the English.
They call us the English speaking Americans because they speak German as their home language. But, they all hear, though. I don't really talk to the Mennonites much. They have a Mennonite store here that we like to go to, but, and all the Amish shop there. But for the most part, the Amish folks, they have home church in each little sect. You know, when they one family will do church, you know, each week, they switch off and Every other week.
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Yeah. Every other week. Yeah. Well, here, it's every week. Well, I guess it depends on how close they are because it's a Yeah. Wonderful person.
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It's a pretty tight community. They have church every every every Sunday, but it's at somebody else's home. And then throughout the week, whoever's family it is, whoever's home, that immediate family prepares the meal and, you know, all the food and everything. And then everybody comes and they got chairs set up and they do, you know, their church. And then after church, they, you know, they break bread and it's all family and, and, yeah, they just share all day, but they don't actually go to a church. And I'll have to ask them about what do they call, you know, the the the main preacher or pastor or whatever, who's ever preaching that sermon for the day.
But I know they don't well, I don't. I'm not gonna say that. I take that back. And I believe they get married, you know, in their own church. They do weddings on Thursdays, so none of them go out and work. They always have that Thursday off for weddings, and they work, you know, Monday through Wednesday and then Saturday. And Sunday, they do church.
[00:16:23] Unknown:
Yeah. They do that. They do that here too. But remember in Pennsylvania, the Amish there, they even participated in supporting Trump and voting for him. So the bishop is the one that, you know, basically, gets the opinion of everyone and,
[00:16:39] Unknown:
and they build on it. So The the last time I looked, there is still 14 states that recognize the common law marriage. Of course, there's no, licensing or anything required there. Mhmm. So that might be an option, of course, if you wanna have family and some both sides there and everything that could be an issue. But maybe you have a bordering state where it wouldn't be too inconvenient. I don't know.
[00:17:06] Unknown:
It's important to have that family bible. Have it documented in there.
[00:17:11] Unknown:
That should be done that way anyways. Right? I mean, the the they make it difficult because they tie everything to it. Like, the other person said, you the guy officiating, he has to have that license because he's he's working for the state. So he's like their agent. And then you have all these ties to, property rights, marriage, taxation as couple, etcetera, all tied into it just like they do with everything else. So to be outside of it, to be not in Babylon is not really too convenient, then that's what you really need to think about. Are you willing to go that extra mile?
[00:17:58] Unknown:
The marriage can simply be all the townspeople get gathered together in the town square where, a number of bible passages are read by people who volunteer to do so, your own vows spoken to each other, affirmed by God, sworn under God, and, backed up by contract with medical and financial power of attorney to each person in the partnership. She grants him medical and financial power of attorney so he can act in her stead, and this and the reverse is also true. He has medical and legal legal power of attorney, durable power of attorney over her. So if it's a matter of somebody's hospitalized and, somebody has to make a decision on care, there is somebody to do it. They don't have to rely on the patient to do it.
It's it's a partnership under God is what it is. You don't need a bishop to stand up there in the front in a robe and pocket 50 or a $100 for the for the pleasure.
[00:19:21] Unknown:
Bingo. Exactly. I'd like to personally welcome the Mennonite Man. My name is Dave in the thumb. I'm over here in Michigan, and I got a, We know some men Mennonites, but just from the store. Good good people. We we love them. We go out. We were just out there out in the Amish community yesterday. I yield.
[00:19:47] Unknown:
Yep. Legally, if you wanna protect your wife as a Christian, it's called coverture. So there's that as well.
[00:19:56] Unknown:
Hey, Paul.
[00:19:58] Unknown:
Never freaking mind.
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Overture?
[00:20:01] Unknown:
Yeah. I wouldn't recommend getting married down at the town square in the middle of Downtown Los Angeles right now. No. Not a good idea.
[00:20:11] Unknown:
But I would I don't know what kind of a Mennonite community would be in Downtown Los Angeles.
[00:20:21] Unknown:
He not in Los Angeles?
[00:20:24] Unknown:
No. He's in Making a joke. He's in Missouri.
[00:20:30] Unknown:
You have a lot of witnesses, though.
[00:20:33] Unknown:
Okay, Murr.
[00:20:35] Unknown:
Joan, I was making a joke. You know, Paul said in general, go down to the town square out in the open. That's not nothing you wanna do right now in the major cities.
[00:20:47] Unknown:
Oh, funny boy.
[00:20:54] Unknown:
Yeah. I try.
[00:20:56] Unknown:
The, the key is witnessed by friends and family and sworn under God. There you go.
[00:21:08] Unknown:
Otherwise, the state's trying to be God.
[00:21:12] Unknown:
Yeah. And if you insist upon the, state sanctioning your union, you are giving them permission.
[00:21:21] Unknown:
I think in some states, it used to be that if you cohabitated for a certain period of time, you were married Seven years. In in their eyes. Yeah.
[00:21:33] Unknown:
I think that's I think I think that's that's kind of a kind of a kind of a adverse possession. You know? Like, if if you take care of a neighbor's property for seven years, you can claim it. So if you take care of a man or a woman for seven years, you can claim it.
[00:21:55] Unknown:
In Ohio, that and it was called common law marriage, and and the woman had to use the man's last name as well.
[00:22:09] Unknown:
But if you don't hold yourself out to be married, then all those common law deals go away. And if you have a common law marriage, you still have the state the the state can still get has its nose in the tent.
[00:22:35] Unknown:
It can because my in laws were were married. They got divorced. They got back together, and they were together again for over seven years, so they considered themselves, the state considered them common law married. So when he left again and she wanted child support to help with the children, they had to get divorced again even though they never officially got remarried. So, yeah, that that's something.
[00:23:09] Unknown:
I I would think that if you wanted to make it your own thousand to 10 every chance it can. I would think if you wanna make it your own as close to possible and have it stand up in court, the the parties would both write their own affidavits out as what their intentions are. And, you know, it's just like the priest asking you, do you take this man to, you know, to be your wife, etcetera? You know, back and forth and Woah, Samuel. Woah. Woah. Do you take this man to be your wife? Stop. Caught that, Amber. So, anyways, it's what you put in that affidavit that would, and then I would, you know, also record it.
[00:23:56] Unknown:
Samuel.
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Samuel. He's talking the overall mankind, Murr.
[00:24:01] Unknown:
Yeah. So, Samuel, do you take this man to be your wife?
[00:24:07] Unknown:
Nothing for you.
[00:24:09] Unknown:
I think it's a personal preference for Samuel. Sounds like Yeah. Woah.
[00:24:14] Unknown:
Here we Myrrh.
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Here we here we go. Hang on. It's No blow. Stuck down. It slipped out, Samuel.
[00:24:21] Unknown:
Here here's what here's what I think Samuel's reading
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not Samuel's reading an article, about Scott Bessens.
[00:24:30] Unknown:
Samuel, here's what the soup Nazi has to say about that. No soup for you.
[00:24:36] Unknown:
Come back one year.
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Alright.
[00:24:45] Unknown:
Yeah. There's there's and there's that the law of coverture too so you could protect your wife when she's your wife from the legal system. Yes. And curvature,
[00:24:54] Unknown:
curvature trumps any other anything else. It even trumps, legal marriage.
[00:25:03] Unknown:
Again, all this crap is voluntary, and we think that because somebody with authority, you know, tells us that it's so,
[00:25:12] Unknown:
we do it. Yeah. You have to get Right. Or in this case, you have to get the bishop's permission. Yeah. Who's trying to say something?
[00:25:26] Unknown:
Gary.
[00:25:27] Unknown:
Hey, Gary. Every state in the union
[00:25:31] Unknown:
You're you're busting up just a little bit. State of the union
[00:25:35] Unknown:
Well, sorry. I'm moving them out.
[00:25:38] Unknown:
But in every State of the Union, there is what's called common law marriage you look at. It's all there. And the first marriage license was actually
[00:25:51] Unknown:
submitted or
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proposed by the state of Virginia
[00:25:58] Unknown:
because a black woman married white or a white woman married black, however you wanna say it.
[00:26:04] Unknown:
So they had to be licensed for it. And you are signing a hidden contract when you get a certificate of marriage or a marriage license, whichever your state calls it. There there's a whole bunch of things behind that contract. And, yes, sacrificing your kids under the feudal system is exactly that when you get a marriage certificate or a marriage license.
[00:26:36] Unknown:
Yep.
[00:26:37] Unknown:
The two people actually love each other. They don't need them licensed. They don't need a certificate. They just need to say I do.
[00:26:44] Unknown:
Thank you, bro. You got it.
[00:26:48] Unknown:
Yep. And I do believe that they handle the spiritual side too by insisting on a blood test because what do they do with the blood?
[00:27:00] Unknown:
Well, that very well could be, Paul. But They're vampires.
[00:27:04] Unknown:
Yep.
[00:27:07] Unknown:
Well, they have in their they have eating lunch. They have in their possessions the biology of both the mother and the father of the offspring, so therefore, they have a biological property right in them. Thank you, Gary.
[00:27:33] Unknown:
Hello. 66660 Mennonite. Come in. Come in. Do do Mennonite I respect Mennonite. Do Mennonite call, our our creator? Do they call him him what do you call him by name? Do you say God or Jehovah or Jehovah or Yeshua or however they say it?
[00:28:07] Unknown:
How about father?
[00:28:09] Unknown:
Yeah. Father. Heavenly father. What may I ask what how do you address how do you call his name? Thank you.
[00:28:24] Unknown:
Any one of those.
[00:28:26] Unknown:
Oh, okay.
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Do you believe in Jesus?
[00:28:35] Unknown:
I would certainly think so.
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As God one with God? Jesus was God's son. Uh-oh. Here we go. Never mind.
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And, yes, they are one.
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As is the third one, the breath of holiness. First John five seven, the three year one.
[00:29:09] Unknown:
So, young Mennonite, what's your first name?
[00:29:17] Unknown:
Well, I'm not the one getting the marriage license. It's my son.
[00:29:21] Unknown:
Right. But, but you've called in before, right, Rogers? You've been on you've been on here before.
[00:29:30] Unknown:
I was.
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And did you say your name then?
[00:29:34] Unknown:
Al.
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Like
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h a l or o w l? Or
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a l. Al.
[00:29:44] Unknown:
Oh, Al.
[00:29:45] Unknown:
Stop, Joan. No. Really. I stopped. I I was thinking the same thing. I was gonna say that, o w l, but, of course, it's a l, like Albert or some type.
[00:29:55] Unknown:
Okay. Al. But so, what do you think so far?
[00:29:59] Unknown:
Alan is on the screen. Alan. So Al for short.
[00:30:05] Unknown:
I have an idea. I have a suggestion. Every Sunday after.
[00:30:10] Unknown:
You do? Wow. Thank you.
[00:30:14] Unknown:
I do, but I've been trying to contact you, and you never let me contact you. So that's not very good. Do I never let you contact me? I tried to email you.
[00:30:24] Unknown:
With with the, Hotmail or the or oh, well, this isn't a good email on here. This is fake, the one I have in this in here. I've got two emails, and I don't care who knows it. But that's the easiest one. Merbailey, merbailey,@Hotmail.com. That's the easiest one. That's the one that's on my page on, RBN. If you go to the host slash schedule and go down to my yours truly, Mer, and click on there, you'll see I don't have Internet. Oh, yeah. Sorry. Yeah. I guess you wouldn't. Well, anyway, that's it. But, you said you were emailing, though. Right? So I guess you go to the library or something?
[00:31:08] Unknown:
No. I can do it through this, landline phone.
[00:31:11] Unknown:
Oh, okay.
[00:31:14] Unknown:
Al, if I may got your email from
[00:31:17] Unknown:
what's that? If I may make a suggestion. So, you're one of the fathers. Is there another father involved? Yes. Okay. Why don't the four of you, the fathers, the, spiritual leaders of each family, and the young ones get together and work out the vows between the children and also the blessing and the grant of, like, I, I offer to you my daughter as I know that you will. I firmly believe that you will, in every case, protect, nurture, and support her. And then the, the son's father does the same thing and pledges the son to the daughter. And just put just make it a family affair in front of all kinds of witnesses, friends, have a huge party, lots of food, and just make it something that is absolutely pivotal and revolutionary in your environment, in your town, in your village, whatever it is, and just see what happens.
You don't need the business.
[00:33:01] Unknown:
It's hard when you have a part of a denomination to, to honor both those things because, but you can surrender things. You can accept, and then surrender things back, like the baptismal certificate, like the birth certificate, like the marriage certificate. So, thus getting out of the jurisdictions. There's a lot of social pressure within denominations including snake handlers. And I'm speaking as a Catholic, so I hear you, Mennonite. I mean, we got bishops too, and we work with Mormons that have bishops and everything else. So
[00:33:43] Unknown:
Let me ask you a question.
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That is
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why
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Jerry,
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you're breaking up really bad. You gotta turn your head or move closer to a window or something like that. Sorry. It's real hard to pick out what you're saying. Hey, Paul. Hang on, Larry.
[00:34:12] Unknown:
Is this any better? Yes. Much better. Okay. Yeah. I just had to move my phone. But, anyway, ask yourselves why is there a place in the Bible that can record marriages and births and family history, and why is the Bible still admissible in court? Yeah. So record the marriage and the family Bible, and you're married. You're done in God's eyes.
[00:34:45] Unknown:
That's all I
[00:34:47] Unknown:
Thank you, Gary. Good idea.
[00:34:56] Unknown:
Paul, I was gonna ask, when you record a marriage in the Bible or even a bat, a birth. Have you seen seen it where they actually put a couple of lines for witnesses
[00:35:11] Unknown:
and the witnesses sign and print their name out I don't know. Right under it? That would be a good question for, Brent Winters because I believe he added a family record portion of the, winterized bible. Ask him how he did it.
[00:35:32] Unknown:
You can do that, and and then you can bring it to the county and re get it, recorded in the county as a, you know, civil document if you want. You know? Just take that page, take that whole bible in, and let them run a copy to get it stamped. So if you do need a a civil, like, for whatever, reason,
[00:35:49] Unknown:
you'd have it, but it would be recorded at the county.
[00:35:53] Unknown:
Just,
[00:35:54] Unknown:
His problem is not all of this stuff. It's that the church isn't gonna recognize it because they don't. If it's anything but a licensed marriage by the state.
[00:36:06] Unknown:
Just as a curiosity, I want to get my family bible because I know my mom has information recorded in it. And so the family registry is a certificate of marriage is what it's titled as. So I don't know.
[00:36:24] Unknown:
There you have that. It is labeled as a certificate of marriage in there. And they're usually right those pages are in the very middle of the Bible. Right? That's usually how it was as I remember. The, births, marriages, and
[00:36:38] Unknown:
deaths. Yeah. Mine's a little bit more than halfway in, it appears.
[00:36:48] Unknown:
How will you re, retract a marriage license? Do you go to the county and, when the affidavit is, void or something like that? How does anybody know how you do that?
[00:37:02] Unknown:
Roger has mentioned that when you send in your affidavit, it it revokes all of those past contracts. It overrides them all.
[00:37:12] Unknown:
Well, he he's referring he he's referring to that as canceled and supersede previous affidavits. It doesn't cancel all contracts unless it specifically states that it cancels and rescinds all contracts, and there is a way to do that, but it's a different document that has to be filed.
[00:37:32] Unknown:
If I may.
[00:37:34] Unknown:
Yeah. I do. Joe Lutz
[00:37:37] Unknown:
has come up here on a Saturday, I don't know, within the last couple of months, and he talked about canceling that license, that marriage license with a, with a stamp, and you you cancel the stamp. And I don't remember all the details, but you you write something across the stamp, you know, diagonally from bottom left to upper right. And, and you I think you send it in, and it pretty much cancels that contract. And I you know, there is a little more detail there that I'd sure like to get Joe back up on here. Anyway, I yield.
[00:38:16] Unknown:
Dave was doing a Rogers sales show Saturday?
[00:38:21] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. It was a Rogers sales Saturday show, back, oh, I know it was probably a couple months now because it's the June. It had to be in maybe April or something.
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Question?
[00:38:40] Unknown:
There's various members in our family are considering that including myself because, I think there's an extra layer. I don't know if that what Paul meant, but, not just your affidavit because, you know, you are a infant no matter what under that marriage license. And everybody talks about driver's license, that's important. But marriage license, it hooks you up in so many ways that's incredible. And, and they always think you're a child and that you're dependent on the on the system. So it's a good thing to remove. And plus, if you're a spiritual person, we shouldn't have that license.
But there gotta be a way that you don't have to go through procedures in court, and you do it straight, and you, void that, that contract.
[00:39:35] Unknown:
So, look, I have a question for the gentleman in Mennonite gentleman. I think his name is Al. I was wondering if, both families I don't know if this I think you said it's your son. The the the bride to be's family, are they in the same page as you are with, not having a life marriage license? Question.
[00:40:11] Unknown:
The way I understood my son was that his, to be wife also does not have a, photo ID and does not want one. But she's from a different state. So I don't know. As far as I know, they're on the same page.
[00:40:34] Unknown:
Al, isn't this really between you and your your church? Doesn't doesn't that what it comes down to? Because they're the ones requiring that for the state, aren't they?
[00:40:49] Unknown:
Yes. It is. But it's like the guy said prior. It's, hard to get out of, you know, the way the church is set up and everything. And that's the way it's always been. The bishop has always done the marriage. And, of course, the party won't accept anything else that is getting married. And, you know, that's that's the way it's always been done. They always had marriage license. When I got married, you know, thirty some years ago, we had to get a blood test and then a marriage license. Mhmm. And then we took it to the bishop, and he signed it, and he married us in a ceremony at the house, not at the church.
And that's the way we have our marriages.
[00:41:32] Unknown:
Hey, Al. What what is if both families are agreed, why don't y'all have y'all own, like, you know, kinda like what, Paul was describing, have y'all own marriage, have it in writing write write in, and then come to the courthouse and
[00:41:52] Unknown:
it doesn't
[00:41:53] Unknown:
outside the church. Yeah. It's outside the church. The church is not gonna accept that. Yeah. Okay. Question.
[00:42:00] Unknown:
Nobody gets that. This is a this is more of a a matter of spiritual, and you gotta make a decision whether you think your church is right about this or not. Spiritual That's really what it comes to mind. Spiritual
[00:42:13] Unknown:
sounds nice. This is what it is.
[00:42:16] Unknown:
If I might add okay. So they always can get married later with a with this, marriage license. But this is time you know, if the young couple's wanting to get married soon, this is a way to go ahead and let them get married and then talk to your show put forth your evidence of why this is, what the significance of the way they're doing it is, and you just might change a heart. Probably not, but you could change a heart and then cross the road. What they say about us, better to ask forgiveness than to get permission or something like that? Sometimes They don't they don't have photo ID, and they need that as well.
[00:42:58] Unknown:
And they don't want photo ID. Well So they're in in between two masters here. Maybe maybe there's another gist of the whole problem. It's not the marriage license. It's the photo ID.
[00:43:08] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. Here's the, here's a suggestion. The State Department, the US State Department or Department of State, They allow, various types of identification. You get a passport card. The passport card is the highest form of ID. The passport card can reflect their status as nationals, as natural persons. Would the church accept that? But isn't it still a photo ID, Paul? Sorry to interrupt. Yeah. It's yeah. It's still a it's still a photo ID, but, oh, crap. You know, there's there's the whole, no pictures, no photos. That's that's a violation of religious freedom is what it is, and the church is going along with it.
I'm sorry. I didn't mean to step on you, Paul. The church is going along with it. Uh-uh. You know, don't you don't you agree on that? The church is going along with, the actual, scrapping of a firmly held religious belief just to get married?
[00:44:32] Unknown:
Well, I'm I'm so confused. I thought the problem was,
[00:44:36] Unknown:
the bishop wanting a marriage license. No. There's more No. It's the bishop wants photo IDs. Wants photo ID.
[00:44:45] Unknown:
Then then He needs a photo ID to to to sanction his his position with the state to do this so called lawfully or legally.
[00:44:56] Unknown:
Right?
[00:44:58] Unknown:
Right. But The bishop does not need the photo ID. The state needs the photo ID.
[00:45:03] Unknown:
Right.
[00:45:06] Unknown:
Hey. Hey, guys. Alabama
[00:45:09] Unknown:
passed a rob with, I don't know, like, a year, two, three. No more than that. They're not giving license no no more for marriage. What they're accepting as common law is an affidavit with two witness, and then they record that in the county. They've passed that law, I think, was a year or two years ago. So it's probably the only state or a couple of states, they're not giving license no more. And then they said that, they're not there to process no more license, And the only thing they're gonna do now is record where it gives a, an affidavit witness of their of their marriage with two witness, and they'll use that as a recording in the county.
That could be a solution.
[00:45:59] Unknown:
Go to Alabama.
[00:46:02] Unknown:
If you do that, then they've got you. That's a I got you.
[00:46:07] Unknown:
I would think that maybe you could get around the photo ID legally with a notarized witness number of witnesses as to who you are, what's your age and sex, and everything else is. That should be able to stand in as a in replacement for the photo ID, I would think, to do that right. So that there's no mistaking who you are, in in other words, you know, witnessed and notarized. That could also be filed. But
[00:46:59] Unknown:
So, do the Mennonite vote, Do they have anything to do with government? And, also, do they not like to have I thought maybe they don't want to have their pictures taken like the Amish. The Amish do not want to have their pictures taken. Right? So the Mennonite, vote has anything to do with government, and are they against having their pictures taken?
[00:47:30] Unknown:
Well, that's a pretty broad question. As far as voting, it is allowed, and we're a very conservative Mennonite church. We drive horse and buggy. It is allowed, but it's frowned upon. I held a voter card from Lancaster County and from Missouri. That was in Pennsylvania and from Missouri for quite a number of years. I, got caught up in the xenon rights movement, which I know is bad news for some people. But anyway, that's how I became a national. And one of the requirements there was to get rid of the voter registration, which I did. And it was required that I write to my county, and they had to send a a written letter out saying that I was no longer registered.
So we did that. As far as, other people, I mean, other Mennonites, the Mennonite and Amish, they're they're I mean, it's just endless with the amount of churches that there are. Anywhere from very, very conservative to very, very liberal. There are Amish out there that carry cell phones and have all the modern conveniences. There are some that won't even use lawnmowers. That's a big difference. And the the Mennonites are the same way. So you can't can't sort of put them all under this is the way they do because they do a lot of different things. As far as taking pictures, it's frowned upon in our community. However, there are people that don't care and do it anyway.
And I think that's some of the problem. There's too many that don't care about it, and therefore, it's sort of left slip. But as for me and my family, we were taught that you shouldn't have your picture taken. So that's where our concern comes in.
[00:49:24] Unknown:
Because that's a grave image. Right?
[00:49:28] Unknown:
Yes. It is.
[00:49:30] Unknown:
And when I It's a religious it's a religious belief that you don't you shouldn't have to have a picture ID. By you.
[00:49:42] Unknown:
Correct. Yeah. So when I
[00:49:47] Unknown:
go ahead.
[00:49:48] Unknown:
I was I was just gonna say you're talking about, old order, is she right?
[00:49:55] Unknown:
Yes. Old or Amish and Old Order Mennonites. But even those groups are being infiltrated by the modern technology, it's a constant fight.
[00:50:08] Unknown:
Well, it would be kinda like saying all all Christians believe the same thing. We all know that that's just not true.
[00:50:20] Unknown:
That's right. All Christians don't believe the same thing. We just heard that today. Everybody knows about Christian Zionists.
[00:50:28] Unknown:
There it's also like saying all Jews are not bankers, but all bankers are Jews.
[00:50:39] Unknown:
Ding ding ding. On
[00:50:41] Unknown:
on Anna Van Wright, will she does she have you, I've heard something about her that, she, she takes something what what was it? You come under her authority. Is that is that the case
[00:51:01] Unknown:
with Anna Vanwright? To have your birth certificate was something weird. One of the last things I remember hearing about her association.
[00:51:10] Unknown:
Is that correct? I have not been involved with that organization since probably over a year ago. Okay. I started listening to Roger and sort of liked his message a lot better. But, see, I'd already gone through all the paperwork. I think we filed, like, 30 papers with the courthouse. And one of the papers that was in there, somebody was asking about revoking the signature on the marriage license. There was a paper in there that we signed that said, it's called a revocation of signature on the marriage license. And then we had it signed and stamped by the, notary public.
[00:51:53] Unknown:
So so should I should I read what it says on there? I know that. What that did was that rescinded your signature on the marriage marriage license and enrolled it.
[00:52:03] Unknown:
Yeah. That's what I thought. One thing I noticed after that, we got letters from the IRS. And after I've after I've filed that, the, letters were addressed to me and then also to my wife, a separate letter.
[00:52:20] Unknown:
Mhmm.
[00:52:21] Unknown:
So I found that sort of interesting before it always had mine, my wife's name on the same letter.
[00:52:27] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, because mean they don't recognize their marriage anymore? You became two independent legal entities individuals. Because before when the marriage license was enforced, they were addressing the corporate personhood, which was the union of two parties. But when you unwound that, then they had to reach out to each person individually in their individual capacity. So the photo ID is required to get a license, and the license is required by the bishop. Right? That's what I understand it. Okay. Well, if the photo ID is required to get the license, that is a violation of firmly held religious beliefs.
So if the state cannot figure out a way to grant a license without a photo ID, then those kids have to, have to make odes to each other in the presence of family and friends, friends and neighbors, and just go on with life. And if the church doesn't recognize it, y'all might have to start looking for another church.
[00:54:00] Unknown:
Well, you know, Paul, if I may interject, Al, you've already brought up how the church has slacked on different modern amenities, and and you you're bringing up grounds on, your firmly held belief about, taking a x taking a picture. Photo. Sorry. Sorry. Photo. And then plus, the thing about the state owning the the offsprings. So you have firm grounds for bringing up to the bishop to, you know okay. Here here the church is allowing this. You know? Not not not intentionally, but it is happening. And this is re the photo IDs required, which is against my firmly held belief, plus the license.
Now that I now understand, the license now ties my children to the state where the state has control over my or my grandchildren, I should say. Anyways so so I think you have some good grounds for, you know, go ahead and let the children with with the two families come together and have a have a wedding. And then, hopefully, the bishop will come on board and later have it hopefully, you all can talk him into having a regular, you know, without a marriage license. You know? You know what I'm saying? May maybe the bishop can later come on board and see you know? It may take him time because everything everybody's so programmed.
I yield. Yeah.
[00:55:41] Unknown:
Help. Help. I understand. I understand what you're saying.
[00:55:45] Unknown:
The union has to be affirmed by and under God, not affirmed by and under and under the state of Missouri. And if the bishop doesn't go along with that, maybe he shouldn't be a bishop.
[00:56:02] Unknown:
Well, I don't see it. There's a
[00:56:04] Unknown:
Well supreme there's a Supreme Court case, self v Ray. And in that opinion, one of the judges said the common law is the real law. One significant takeaway from this case according to some interpretations is the idea that the common law is the real law, the supreme law of the land, and that codes, rules, regulations, policy, and statutes are not the law.
[00:56:43] Unknown:
You know, and the bottom line is in marriage, it's between each other and God. You know, if you do your vows to each other and God is hearing you, you're you're married. I would think the Bishop of all people would know that. It shouldn't be governed by like, we're all saying the state, the whoever with all this crap about getting a photo ID.
[00:57:13] Unknown:
Yeah. Two things. Why why does the state want a picture at photo ID, and why would a Mennonite bishop who who knows Mennonites don't wanna vote and don't wanna have their photo taken? Why why wouldn't he why would he go along with that? Thank you.
[00:57:37] Unknown:
Because he's got licensed by the state, and he's following their rules. I think what Al has to do is really consider just the proper for him to be in if he really wants to get out of Babylon.
[00:57:58] Unknown:
We have a Mennonite community here in Hobbs, New Mexico, and they they grow crops and stuff like that, but they get subsidies from the government, hence the licensing.
[00:58:19] Unknown:
You know? And that wouldn't be allowed in our church.
[00:58:22] Unknown:
Well, like Al Alson, he's got a little more conservative church, but, obviously, for me, it wouldn't be conservative enough.
[00:58:31] Unknown:
You know, Al, it's hard to, I I I wouldn't be just rushing to jump to separate from the church. Okay? Because, you know, you get lifelong friends and, you know, so forth and so forth.
[00:58:43] Unknown:
Yeah. I understand, but this is the question you really have to ask yourself. You're either gonna go along with this and sacrifice your children to the state. Really, it the way I look at it spiritually, you're giving up a part of your soul to the state, not just, you know, a legal matter. It It's a it's a real dilemma, and I I feel for Al. But Hey, Al. Problem is this this bishop is in a position where he's serving two masters.
[00:59:23] Unknown:
I I if, I would say it would be better to let the bishop kick you out of the church than to leave the church unless you have a feeling you should leave the church. You see what I'm saying? Unless you have inner knowing to leave the church, I would say let the bishop kick you out of the church. Do what your conscience tells you to do with you know, and talk to the other family. Do what the con your conscience leads you to do. If the bishop doesn't like it, he can kick you out. You know? And and you have you have strong grounds to why you're doing what you're doing. You know? You see what I'm saying? Before God, you have a strong position.
I yield.
[01:00:04] Unknown:
Yeah. And you could give him that option, option, a a due diligence of saying, listen. We'll we'll both do sworn affidavits with witnesses, contesting to who we are so that we don't have to break our faith by getting a photo.
[01:00:19] Unknown:
Usually, though, in the Amish community, if you are kicked out of the church, you're shunned by the community. I'm not sure about the Mennonites, but I wouldn't wanna be kicked out. I'd rather leave on my own accord. And And I don't know what the community would think. Would they shun you then, Alan? I yield.
[01:00:41] Unknown:
Well, that that's why I think we should do the best he can to satisfy the bishop reasonably and not go against what what what his own beliefs and his and his the the two people who are gonna be married here also believe that this photo is is wrong. And by doing an affidavit that witnesses proving who they are, who can argue with that?
[01:01:06] Unknown:
Right. The if the bishop is making forcing them to have a photo ID to get married in a Mennonite church, then he's he's part of the problem. He's an agent. He's been infiltrated.
[01:01:18] Unknown:
Yeah. But Yeah. If you if you feel good good good cause and due diligence and then you relieve, that's a whole lot better than not giving them an option to start with is all I'm saying.
[01:01:31] Unknown:
Even even the state of Alabama does not require you with a a photo. Just the affidavit with a witness. So Yeah. All depends on the state.
[01:01:43] Unknown:
Y'all aren't letting Al chime in his thoughts too to just I'm just saying. Yeah. I'm sorry. We gathered that.
[01:01:56] Unknown:
Al, before you chime in, what I suggest I was coming from a different perspective, not from your community perspective. So, you know, take it for what it's worth. I don't mean to get anyone discommunicated from their community. Not at all. I yield.
[01:02:21] Unknown:
Hello, George. I have a bishop question for George. George, are you still there? You said something about bishop, your bishop? Yes, ma'am. Hey. Did did you say that there's a bishop at your in your denomination?
[01:02:40] Unknown:
Yes. The original hierarchy that, that they had come up with was, you know, popes, cardinals, archbishops, I guess, and then bishops. But, but, yeah, just a comment too on, on what, Al was going through. There might be a statute that says that a, photo ID may be may be, protested or might be a religious accommodation, you know, not having one. So I don't know if in your state is, Samuel's right, you know, as far as the licensing. So and I think, you know, all these certificates are just basically financial instruments in the long run or or or ways to provide, you know, provide a surety for things.
That's why we wanna accept them and surrender these things so that we're not surety. But but, I don't know if they're you know, if you've investigated that out, if they can pull a state statute since they're using the state licensing to do the the the actual picture. Perhaps there's a statute that has a religious accommodation already, especially being a strong Mennonite, an Amish state like Missouri.
[01:03:51] Unknown:
So, George, was that a was that the cat was that a Catholic bishop you were talking about in your denomination?
[01:03:59] Unknown:
Yes. Catholic.
[01:04:01] Unknown:
Okay. And, what was I gonna say? Hold up. Go ahead, Al. I I have to remember what I was gonna say.
[01:04:24] Unknown:
Well, I just wanna add, here the Amish, have told me that, most of them came from the Catholic faith. So they they, kind of you know, that's one reason. Like, with the bishop and everything, it's kind of a kind of a knock off from that. Use that as a template or whatever. But I I say this requires a lot of prayer from all of us.
[01:04:51] Unknown:
I remember I remember what I was gonna say. It was it had to do with what Eli James said yesterday about, at least I remembered it was Eli James, and now I gotta remember. But it's something about oh, yeah. It reminded me of an, oh, shoot. I'm sorry. I have to get my thought what exactly but go ahead, anybody.
[01:05:27] Unknown:
Al, has this been helpful?
[01:05:32] Unknown:
Or at least entertaining?
[01:05:44] Unknown:
Yeah. Is that Here it is. In my opinion
[01:05:47] Unknown:
Here it is. In my Here it is. In my Here it is. Okay. Go ahead.
[01:05:52] Unknown:
Okay. Oh, shoot. Go ahead, Sandra.
[01:05:57] Unknown:
I think I forgot mine now too.
[01:06:00] Unknown:
Well, I know I forget mine.
[01:06:02] Unknown:
The bishop the bishop is the bishop is not doing his job, in my opinion, if he doesn't give his people and the belief system of his group options not to break what they believe is to be followed. I mean, how can you have A bishop is a legitimate term. The cardinals and all that crap isn't. I mean, we had bishops of Alexander in the in the early church, etcetera. These were, like, main leaders of the group because they knew the law. They knew how to teach it, and they were the preservers of that system that were cons to be the go to guide when there was a religious question. Now this guy seems to me to
[01:06:53] Unknown:
be serving two masters. And Well, see, this is the thing better than that. This is the thing we don't understand though too. In these, circles, they, it depends on the group. They sort of agree on things, and then the bishop decides whether or not to go ahead. Like I said, in Pennsylvania, the Amish were voting to back Trump in the first election.
[01:07:15] Unknown:
Well, from what I know about the Mennonite religion is
[01:07:19] Unknown:
this marriage issue is exactly what he's saying it is, Al. And that just is in is is but I didn't know about them being against photo ID. If that's a belief and your system's a a main kingpin in your system called a bishop doesn't uphold it, what the heck is that about?
[01:07:44] Unknown:
Samuel.
[01:07:45] Unknown:
The bride to be has a the bride to be has an ID without a from a different state without a photograph, Al said. So maybe Mhmm. Maybe the young gentleman can, the groom to be can do something likewise in Missouri May I? Perhaps.
[01:08:03] Unknown:
Yeah. Please Paul. If there is anything to be known as a maximum of law in the Amish and Mennonite community, it is bring cash, no photos. Okay? So what I would say
[01:08:21] Unknown:
Some of them accept text. Go ahead. Okay. Well, what I would say
[01:08:26] Unknown:
is as the spiritual leaders of each family, the father of the bride and the father of the groom get together, and they both officiate at a ceremony that is, attended by the bishop either in his personal or private capacity. He can also be a witness to the union, which will be recorded in the family bible, and then they have a party and everybody goes back to work. They have said their oath to each other under God, officiated by the religious head of each of their households, and witnessed by friends, neighbors, and kin. This is not a big deal. Do it.
[01:09:09] Unknown:
Also also just adding to that too. My understanding is also back in the day, the churches actually themselves had a recorded I don't know if it was in a Bible, but they had a record book of marriages and births and the families of the members of the church with those recorded also, another way of recording these things. Deaths, all you know?
[01:09:38] Unknown:
Ultimately, this has solved the problem when got a system that is serving two masters. They they're standing for God, and they're standing in there for man. And, in most of the churches in this country
[01:09:54] Unknown:
Well, I I that's where I was all I was gonna chime that in because it's like, yeah. And if it's not a five zero one c three church, I think is when the churches were more responsible for keeping records. They were not state agents. They were agents for God.
[01:10:12] Unknown:
But I think Yeah. I think if given an opportunity to choose between serving man or serving God, that that bishop would see it as a acceptable compromise to be present at the ceremony and to be a witness to the union. I think that is something that he could do, even if he did it in his private capacity. He could do it either as a bishop or as a private person.
[01:10:44] Unknown:
Yeah. Present but not presiding. Right. Present but not presiding.
[01:10:48] Unknown:
Witnessing but not presiding. I think that's something that he could do that would be in keeping with his ethical, moral, and legal obligations.
[01:11:01] Unknown:
If I may, is this a Catholic church or a Mennonite church?
[01:11:09] Unknown:
It's Mennonite, he said.
[01:11:11] Unknown:
I don't know. It's a Mennonite church. Don't they believe in the 10 commandments? No graven images?
[01:11:20] Unknown:
I I think you should take there's a big old fashioned cameras with a thousand watt flashbulb in it and ask the the bishop if I can take a photo of you.
[01:11:30] Unknown:
Just go in and start flashing pictures at him. See what he does. Oh. You might hold a swath up at you and throw some holy water on you. Like those godfather,
[01:11:40] Unknown:
like the godfather? Yeah. And they're taking in the parking lot?
[01:11:45] Unknown:
Yeah. They're killing people while they're while they're baptizing a baby. Right?
[01:11:50] Unknown:
At the wedding.
[01:11:53] Unknown:
Hey. Hey, Al. Hey, Al. Al. Can you hear me? Is the Mennonite Church a five o I'm looking to see. It it it is the Mennonite Church a 501C3 or 5013C, however you say it? And, also, Al, the other thing I thought of I wanted to say that I thought of, five minutes ago is, don't what about her, like like like a religious exemption
[01:12:29] Unknown:
or a contract? He's not he's not here anymore.
[01:12:33] Unknown:
Oh my gosh.
[01:12:36] Unknown:
We talked him away.
[01:12:38] Unknown:
Shocking, isn't it? We were talking to him. I think his eyes glazed over, and he hit the wrong button and hung up and said
[01:12:56] Unknown:
Anyways, I'm not seeing him. Are you seeing him? Paul Paul, check too. It's 66. He's gone.
[01:13:03] Unknown:
66.
[01:13:04] Unknown:
That's why he couldn't get in on the show because he wasn't quite assertive enough to, get his voice heard, unfortunately.
[01:13:12] Unknown:
Or maybe he heard enough.
[01:13:15] Unknown:
No. I mean, on the show. He said he couldn't get on the show because, we were all talking too much.
[01:13:20] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[01:13:22] Unknown:
So I I have a I have a nosy question. I'm on a flip phone. At what point did he hang up? Does it did he who was talking when he hung up?
[01:13:32] Unknown:
I know you were I right. I didn't I didn't I didn't
[01:13:36] Unknown:
I didn't Natalie, Danny.
[01:13:39] Unknown:
And I'm sorry. Go ahead. But I know I did. You know? He was still here for sure when I said, y'all aren't letting Al get a word in. He was still and he was still here for a bit after that. And there was a lot of time when he was here too that his mic was open. So what you know? People with manners and stuff, it takes them a minute to get here to learn. It's not really that rude to say a.
[01:14:14] Unknown:
Yeah. If he's come up in the religion and everything, though, that's a hierarchy that's you're not gonna wanna buck that. You know? He himself, let alone the ones that are getting married.
[01:14:29] Unknown:
And so who's the best one?
[01:14:31] Unknown:
That's who I really feel for, and I don't know I don't know quite I know, generally, you're raised to be very respectful with the kids. And it's ultimately I'm calling them the kids. We don't know how old they are, but you know what I mean? That wanna get married and are getting this BS. Yeah. And are they gonna give in or not? Would they even, you know, it sounds even like him. He he's not. He's trying to respect their wishes.
[01:15:00] Unknown:
Mhmm.
[01:15:06] Unknown:
Well, god love all of them because, it's not very often these days that, you know, people hold that firm to their religious beliefs. I wish them the best.
[01:15:22] Unknown:
Well, you know, Christianity
[01:15:24] Unknown:
used to be the mainstream media media, religion, the, culture is what I'm saying. And and really, you know, culture is like religion, externally, you know, whatever, externalized. But now it's the counterculture.
[01:15:42] Unknown:
Satanism. So I'm living down to Satanism as the main culture now. But you know you know where to, and it's also a big thing to divide. Churches were a great place of unity where a lot of the rebellion and stuff against the systems were in the churches before the churches were so taken over, and so they you know? That's a big reason why they were targeted, in my opinion.
[01:16:07] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I was doing a search on Yandex, you know, just with the different things about Missouri and and the requirements, and the only thing that would come up was about same sex marriage and how some of them had caved. And I couldn't find anything about I even typed it in opposite sex marriage. You know? I mean, that's how far how far we've, gone to the other extreme.
[01:16:33] Unknown:
That that's another thing that if you're a religious person and you're buying into the marriage license, you're technically buying into the same sex marriage since 02/2015.
[01:16:46] Unknown:
Yeah. Because I don't think the license recognizes sex anymore.
[01:16:51] Unknown:
No. It it's just it you know, I mean, there wasn't one of the biggest reasons they tried to keep religion and politics separate in this country is because everybody was getting their own ox gourd. So if you had more Quakers in one community than you had Puritans, etcetera, and they ran the laws, you got screwed. And there was a lot of that fighting going on within this country early on, and they tried to keep
[01:17:20] Unknown:
government out of it. But now what do we got? Government's still running it. Well, you can't separate the spiritual and the physical, you know, and that's the thing. Let's what did the Lord say? Render under Caesar the things that are Caesar and unto God the things that are God's, and we're God's.
[01:17:35] Unknown:
Yeah. But what's happening in in communities instead instead of doing what you thought was correct, you had to do what the ruler said was correct. And that was just in the majority of the people who are running the governments in those communities early on. So that's why we became more open to you get to practice what you want. But now the state itself is eliminating that to licenses and everything else.
[01:18:08] Unknown:
But churches churches are not forced to do same sex marriages that I know of, are they? They still can but but the people have the right because it's a state union.
[01:18:20] Unknown:
Okay. Somebody answer me this. How can a marriage be consummated
[01:18:26] Unknown:
if you don't have the right parts? The right equipment. That's exactly right. It cannot be, and that's why it's so legitimate. Right.
[01:18:35] Unknown:
Why is that
[01:18:37] Unknown:
I'm just saying that if you're if you're getting a marriage license, you're going along with the worst of it, and that's the worst of it that they've now recognized since 02/2015, same sex and everything other kind of marriages since.
[01:18:52] Unknown:
Remember remember it should be called marriages. Okay. There's a million to do something.
[01:18:58] Unknown:
Otherwise be unlawful. A license is to do something that would otherwise be unlawful. Convictional permit accommodates sin. It does not judge it.
[01:19:10] Unknown:
It Another thing An an
[01:19:13] Unknown:
anal sex was always unlawful.
[01:19:16] Unknown:
That's right. Another thing. They think they're a different branch or denomination. Once you get a state license, that congregation, they all have the same doctrine. It doesn't matter if it's different branches or an, pentacle or a Baptist. They're all on the same state, and they all have to follow the same rule. So even though they think they are their document is completely different to the denomination next door to them, under that state license, they are one. So maybe he should approach them and give them a different angle and say, why are we saying look at that clause saying they're all the same church under the state license as a five one c three. And maybe that opens his, his, his sales and his brains.
[01:20:06] Unknown:
Well, he said they believe in Jesus and corporate
[01:20:08] Unknown:
churches. There are unincorporated churches that are not that will marry you without a license. Even some pastors will marry you without a license. I was married without a license. I have a marriage certificate. No license was required.
[01:20:23] Unknown:
Just two witnesses.
[01:20:25] Unknown:
Just two witnesses.
[01:20:33] Unknown:
Elle, I'm a I'm a universal life minister, pastor. I've been ordained for almost thirty years now. Hell, if they'd, pay my travel expenses, I'll go down there and marry them, and I'll witness it. But I'm not licensed by the state, so I'm not gonna allow the state into their cookie jar.
[01:20:59] Unknown:
Well, that's where she never really nobody really asked. I mean so the the bishop wants them to have photo ID to get their license.
[01:21:13] Unknown:
Bishop wants them to have photo ID, the state. Alright. Bishop wants them to have a life. Alright. I gotta get in front of the microphone. The bishop wants them to have a license, and the state wants them to have an ID. Oh.
[01:21:31] Unknown:
So so then I guess
[01:21:34] Unknown:
They're both culpable.
[01:21:36] Unknown:
So right. So he never really said that they were opposed to getting a license. He said they were opposed to the photo ID to enable the license.
[01:21:47] Unknown:
Right. Well, they they should also be obvious that the church is the five zero one c three if they're requiring a license. Yeah. They should all be opposed to the acquisition of the license anyways because of its implications and the burden it puts on the union.
[01:22:05] Unknown:
That's a good point. Not not opposing the license, but opposing the the photo ID.
[01:22:13] Unknown:
I'm not certain that this is I I that's where I'm not certain that that was the issue, but I
[01:22:21] Unknown:
That's what he said. They they can't get a the bishop won't marry him without a without a marriage license, and they cannot get a marriage license without a photo ID from the state. And they don't want a photo ID.
[01:22:35] Unknown:
So there's a instance so the so then with those kids, then they want their marriage to be recognized in their church. And for it to be recognized in their church with that bishop, they need a license.
[01:22:49] Unknown:
Yeah. But then, unfortunately, it's also recognized by the state and controlled by the state.
[01:22:55] Unknown:
And that's I'm just talking about the damn rabbit holes and shit that we went down that chased the man away.
[01:23:02] Unknown:
Well
[01:23:04] Unknown:
yeah? In my own head. This is from my own head. Sorry. Sorry. This is my own clue this is for my own clarification.
[01:23:12] Unknown:
Pay no attention to the woman blathering in the corner.
[01:23:16] Unknown:
No. That's a that's
[01:23:18] Unknown:
a very good thing. I yield.
[01:23:20] Unknown:
Yeah. If he comes back
[01:23:23] Unknown:
from the computer, maybe, there's a Missouri statute that says you can do all this without a photo because of religious exemption. You know? That's fairly driven images, fairly, I believe, protected religious, belief. You know? So
[01:23:39] Unknown:
That's why I think that if they do, an affidavit type form, witnesses and notarized as to who they are, they can skip the photo part of it, submit that to their ship. And if that's not good enough for him,
[01:23:57] Unknown:
I think I'd be church shopping. This is what I'm saying though, Samuel. I don't think the kids are opposed to having the marriage license,
[01:24:05] Unknown:
but I'm not certain They're not no. It's the photo ID. I've I've I've I recognize that right off. That's what he said.
[01:24:12] Unknown:
It's the photo ID. He said the bride to be has has an ID with no photo from a different state. It's the son that needs something similar.
[01:24:22] Unknown:
Okay. Here's the deal. If they are willing to stand on their principles of not having their photo taken, they should be applying the same religious fervor and belief in, not allowing their union to be under the state. They should insist on their union being under God. Same thing. They can't they cannot deny the fact or they cannot stand on the fact they don't want a photo taken and still allow the state into their bedroom.
[01:25:06] Unknown:
So jeez. I wish we would have just been more clear with that. So based on this information, Al, that, you know, they really shouldn't get a license and they should just have, you know, at the most, a certificate, better to just have a contract
[01:25:22] Unknown:
because he heard that very well. And I suggested that an hour ago. Have two
[01:25:28] Unknown:
I know. And, like, and, like, what do you think the the couple are gonna think of that, or do you think they just really wanna get the marriage license like everybody else? But he said he had re he had rescinded his. So, I mean, maybe they haven't even really
[01:25:49] Unknown:
talked about that side of it much yet. I think that's why he hung up. He wanted to get off the phone before his before his ex wife found out.
[01:26:00] Unknown:
Well, if we're not actually married Maybe he wanted to pick pick pick our brains because he's gonna have to sit down with all these parties and discuss it with them. Maybe he's got himself some options now. I don't know. But Who knows? Me, he's really, really, really serving two masters, and that's what's, you know, sad.
[01:26:22] Unknown:
Yes.
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The bishop is. You know?
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Mhmm.
[01:26:29] Unknown:
Yeah. I guess so. Know better. He's supposed to be there standing up for his flock and protecting them and looking out for their and he should have an option like they can prove their identity with a, affidavit notarized and, with witnesses saying who they are, that should be plenty. Mhmm. Especially with their religious beliefs. I just can't imagine that this bishop is going is taking this kind of a stance. You know? Of course, he's not here to protect himself either. But Right.
[01:27:08] Unknown:
Samuel, the problem is the the system or the government lies and all that has emphasized even to the Amish and the and everybody. But when you you were born in that, in that, culture, and, and Christianity, since little, you grew up and neither 30, 50, 60, 70 years old, all their life, they've been under the direction of these elders. Elders are Yep. Biblically are elders, pastors, and bishop. It's not what people think about Catholic. It's the one that they it has certain attributes, and they function and to protect the flocks from different doctrines from all that. And that's why so when you're under that umbrella and direction of that congregation and then and suddenly you're waking up in certain area, you feel like you're sinning, that you're disobeying God by disobeying, those bishops. Some of those, I like to call them branches, has strayed the path of Christianity.
And now they have, like, a little army there, and they make you feel guilty. All the women also makes you feel guilty. So now you got this youngers that want to get married in a national way, and the father is between that two two fashion of his life, his past and the present. In the same time, so it's really hard to pull that brainwashing in a certain way even even if they're functioning and morally and ethically, they have done everything right. And now they say, wait a minute. I don't need a license. I don't need this. This is really hard to unplug that, move that situation. So we have to pray for them and and help them because you can see how in Melchized even to not the regular
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Christian Why there's really quite a
[01:28:51] Unknown:
Yep. But, Jesse, that's why there's so few people in this group is because really have to face all these issues. Spiritual ones is whether you're right or wrong there and and a whole bunch of other crap as we well know. And that that comes at a big price for a lot of people and, you know, it's
[01:29:13] Unknown:
it's not easy easy pass. Yeah. In Pennsylvania, the the the dictatorship of Pennsylvania and Philadelphia, all this was affecting even them so much, and they were raiding in their farms. And they had a big issue because someone said, we gotta stop this somehow and started thinking of voting. And the other amateur man said, no. We don't vote. So they were trying to slow down the the the tyranny that was happening in Pennsylvania, and that that created issue also within different congregation and so on. So we're all being affected. It's just incredible. This Durham and the system, this demonic thing is, hurting even decent people and and just working.
[01:29:58] Unknown:
It's it's not what I know that's killing me. It's what I know that just ain't so.
[01:30:05] Unknown:
Mhmm. Well, it kind of this line of commute, talk reminds me of Franklin's, school. What was that called? Where there the Franklin oh, shoot. It was in the early nineteen hundreds, like, 1920 or maybe earlier, where they were trying to change, they were focusing on changing society so they could bring about their changes they wanted. So they work they worked on us for a long time, you know, the the change our mindsets and how we see things. And so I I'm forgetting the complete name. It's Franklin something. Franklin School.
Everyone knows what it is. Everyone in this community knows what we're talking about, but I'm not saying it right. I yelled.
[01:30:53] Unknown:
Well, Frankfurt was a little later, but yeah.
[01:30:58] Unknown:
And we are anything but Frankfurters.
[01:31:02] Unknown:
No. What I'm saying what I'm saying is they they they focused on changing society, the thinking of society so they could bring their changes about.
[01:31:11] Unknown:
Yeah. So that's came from Prussia even before that. Okay. The kindergarten and everything else. You know? This isn't normal for children to sit in a schoolroom. You know? Yeah. It's not normal. They need to be home learning from their parents, everything. And Mhmm. Once in Massachusetts where the schooling actually, was forced upon them first, before that, the parents rebelled and rioted, and many of them were imprisoned because they wanted to keep the children home. They teach them to read the bible and do their math and everything, and then they learn everything else about life. And that's with this classical conversation thing that's, got a pretty strong hold now, different places is is like that.
You know, they have interaction between the members and, curriculum and everything, but they also, you know, the children are home, and they're learning directly. They look up there's a lot to be said to that. They look up to the parent. You shouldn't be looking up to a teacher, and and that's why you have all the craziness because the children then have peer pressure, you know, in a schoolroom. And it's it's just it's not natural. But it's part of the part of the communist manifesto and get them done away with the family and stuff. So
[01:32:28] Unknown:
which is what you think. And if you think about it, it it makes the, other children's, what they look up to and brings about, like, not a, in most cases, not a, oh, let's excel. Let's let's try harder and do better. It brings about a mediocre, oh, you think you're you're little smarty pants or, you know in in school, I'm thinking back. You know? There was this, thing about, oh, you made an a a. Maybe it's just my school. I don't know. But, anyways, there there's this there's this mediocre is bringing down,
[01:33:06] Unknown:
you you know, because Yep. Okay. I get it. It's like the, you know, grabbing the crab that's trying to escape the bucket and pulling them back in. Yep. Cult of mediocrity.
[01:33:18] Unknown:
And, Paul, I've been working on this for about a month or two because I realized that that maybe we should have a folder and a way we could bring people through different venues and, become national. And I think one of the best thing we could do, because a lot of people are getting hurt, is through this five one c three, but specifically with the marriage license. And, and maybe we should all become experts in this as best as we can. And, that's a way we could lure the women and their children and make them understand and then and create little cars with, the claws that they don't own the children and they're under the the dictatorship of this local governments and all this. And, I have based on that I have tested with many people, they are resonating more than that than when I talk about national. And then they wanna bring the national thing. And maybe that's what we should, put our focus, many of us, is on that marriage license and all the things that brings to all the evilness that brings to it. Well, well, the thing is one thing is certain.
[01:34:23] Unknown:
If they don't have an affidavit filed with the secretary of state, if they have not declared their status as a national and not a citizen of The United States, they have to get a marriage license because they don't own themselves, so they do need permission to get married from the state. The very first thing they need to do is to file an affidavit with the secretary of state. Very first thing. And then And that's the point. And then all the points until yeah. Go ahead. Then they can include that affidavit with a copy of their live birth record and a copy of their marriage agreement because it's not a certificate. It's not a license. It's a marriage agreement where both where all parties, swear an oath to, put the needs, wants, and comforts of the other first, and then file that in the county records as a public notice, not as a filing, not as a legal document, simply as a public notice.
[01:35:39] Unknown:
And then What would be a contract between them and God? Swearing oaths is not so hot. Well, it would be a contract between between,
[01:35:46] Unknown:
them and God and between each other with the state having nothing to do with that. The swearing part. I'm just pointing out the swearing part. Gotta go. This year, I'd I, so and so,
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do A a mutual agreement.
[01:36:03] Unknown:
I'd so and so, being affirmed by God, do enter freely and, without restriction into this union. That about does it for the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales on radio.globalvoiceradio.net and eurofolkradio.com, among other platforms, including radiosoapbox.com. Catch us here Monday through Saturday, 11AM to 1PM eastern. Our website is thematrixdocs.com. That is thematrixdocs.com. Thank you so much for joining us today. We'll catch you right back here tomorrow for the Thursday edition of the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales. Bye now.
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Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle. Now you're breaking the
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trees.
Introduction and Initial Thoughts
Discussion on Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars
Marriage Laws and Photo ID Concerns
Historical Context of Marriage Licenses
Common Law Marriage and State Involvement
Religious Beliefs and Marriage Practices
Revocation of Marriage Licenses
Family Bible as Legal Record
Mennonite and Amish Traditions
Balancing Church and State Requirements
Community and Religious Identity
Legal and Spiritual Implications of Marriage
