In this episode, we delve into the intricacies of the U.S. tax system, focusing on historical cases and legislative changes that have shaped the current landscape. Our discussion begins with the Pollock vs. Farmers Savings and Loan case from the late 1800s, which challenged the constitutionality of direct taxes. We then explore the pivotal year of 1913, when the 16th and 17th Amendments and the Federal Reserve Act were introduced, fundamentally altering the financial and political framework of the United States. The conversation highlights the controversial ratification process of the 16th Amendment and its implications on national taxation.
We also examine the significance of the Brushaber vs. Union Pacific Railway case and its connection to Treasury Decision 2313, shedding light on the legal interpretations of tax obligations. The episode further discusses the role of the IRS and the fear it instills, as well as the strategies individuals use to navigate or challenge the tax system. Through listener interactions, we hear personal experiences and insights into the complexities of tax filings, citizenship status, and the broader implications of being classified as a U.S. citizen or a nonresident alien. This episode is a deep dive into the legal and historical context of taxation in America, offering listeners a comprehensive understanding of its evolution and current challenges.
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Unknown:
There's somebody. Yes, sir?
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Yeah. Roger. Michael. Minnesota.
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Hey, Michael.
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Can you go over the Bush Haver versus Union Pacific Railway? The Not really. Decision 2313 Woah. The 26CFR1Dot1Dash1A.
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Right. And then the non proton to your 19 80 5. Can you, I don't know about, I don't know about non proton. Okay. But I can give you a little background on the others. I've never read a briefcase.
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Go ahead.
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Can you speak a little bit so I can replay it for my wife and how it all ties into how the IRS will look at these cases and how our affidavit that we we give to the secretary of state and we apply it to give the notice to the IRS and how all of this ties into these, treasury decision twenty three thirteen Bush Haber Union Pacific Railway and twenty six CFR one dot one dash one eight.
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Well, first, let's start with Pollock versus Farmers Savings and Loan in the late eighteen hundreds, which was the first time they tried a direct tax. Remember, we went over Saturday. Let me take my sweater off here. I'm getting a little warm. I'll be right back. Because the sun's all out and all that stuff. Okay, Michael. Let's see here. Okay. Pollock versus Farmer Savings and Loan, I believe, late eighteen hundreds. It was the first time they tried a direct tax that was not apportioned, and, the Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional. So they had to go back to the drawing board on that. Remember, this is in the period of time when tariffs were run-in the country, not not taxes.
The taxes were being paid by other countries, and The US was in an incredibly good financial position in those years. So we come along, and in 1913 I noticed 1913. Thirteen's '1 of their big numbers. And when it came around last century, they utilized it. And that was the year they passed, the seventeenth, the sixteenth, and the, Federal Reserve Act. Now if you go back to those, Michael, and you look at that, isn't it interesting that they taxed passed the well, they didn't pass it. It was illegal. That's been proven by Bill Benson's book, The Law That Never Was, where they went to every state. He and Red Beckman went to every state in the union, which was a state in 1913 and went into the archives, and they found they got certified and notarized copies, and they found that not in the, end analysis.
Oh, I didn't oh, wow. Sneezo. Excuse me. In the end analysis, not one state passed the sixteenth amendment. You know, for them to ratify an amendment, Michael, it's gotta be very specific. It takes two thirds of the states, I believe, and they've gotta read the amendment. It's passed in congress first and circulated among the states. And it's got to be read three times in the state legislature out loud, and not one comma, not one period, not one colon or semicolon can be out of place or it doesn't count. So what they found was that not one state really passed and ratified the sixteenth amendment.
But when it came back as such a critical element, this tax par, when it came back to the senate and the secretary of state was a guy named Philander would you trust a guy with the first name Philander, Michael? His name was Philander Knox. And he got up in front of the senate and bashed the gavel down and said, it appears that the sixteenth amendment's been ratified. Well, it wasn't. It was a lie, just like the seventeenth. Couple important things to note there. Outside of the fourteenth amendment and the citizen of The United States status, this was the very first thing they did as they started their long trek to switch the systems and get us where we are today.
So isn't it interesting that they passed the tax amendment first? You would have thought they'd pass the the Federal Reserve System first, wouldn't you? But they didn't. They passed the sixteenth amendment changing, at least ostensibly, changing the taxing patterns. That was in the spring in April. That's really important, by the way. And, the second thing they did was in the summer with the seventeenth amendment. We're suffering under that now because the states used to appoint the late state legislatures used to appoint the senators to DC so the states had representation.
And so if the senators weren't voting correctly, the legislature could yank them back and change them. Well, the seventeenth amendment changed that. Now as that applies to what we do here with the changing status, you can go into go to Wikipedia and go to citizenship of The United States. Wikipedia. Not the most reliable of sources, generally. So the first couple of paragraphs on that page deal with the citizen of The United States. And then they quote the Fourteenth Amendment, and then right after that, it says national citizenship.
There's a paragraph right after they quote the Fourteenth Amendment that talks about national citizenship. And it said, well, it may have some effect on your taxes. And, the only yeah. Like, you don't owe any of them. And, the only thing that it really interrupt interferes with is running for senator. So you can't be a national and run for senator according to Wikipedia. K. That's the only place I've ever seen that, but that's it's right there. You can go look at it. And you'll notice also it says national status. Right at the first of the paragraph, national, however it states it, is in script.
And usually when something my experience on the Internet is when something's in script and you put your cursor over it, it's a hotlink. But it's in script, and there's no hotlink under it for whatever that's worth. So there's National right there in Wikipedia, believe it or not. And so, then in the Christmas recess, when they bought all the senators' first class train tickets home and all that stuff, they kept a few around. They they, I guess, had enough for a quorum, and they secretly, in the middle of the night, passed the Secret Reserve Act. The important part about that little story there is, again, at the first, wouldn't you think they would have passed the Federal Reserve Act first and reversed the order?
So why did that happen? I I don't I doubt if any of you ever thought about that. K? Why would that happen and be structured that way? Because the tax system we now know is the absolute Achilles heel of their system. If that's not in place and it's not operable, the entire rest of their system goes straight downhill because the fiat currency or the currency based on us as collateral gets continued to be printed and loaned into circulation, and there's no tax net mechanism to pull it out and equalize its value in there, then you'll have hyperinflation, and everybody will know immediately where it came from.
But if they've got the tax mechanism in place first, then they can pass the monetary system and be assured that they can control it with the tax mechanism. Now the other important thing here, to me anyway, is that if you go down the line of the events they had to do and you get to the line, it was the tax system that was the very last thing that was put into place after everything else was done. They changed state citizen to national in the forties. They created the IRS. They did Bretton Woods and all that in the forties. They went to 51, and they created the Internal Revenue Service internally on a treasury order.
And I believe it's treasury order '51. K? And so internally in the treasury department, the IRS was formed in '51. In '54, they had to overcome the biggest obstacle they had to overcome, which was Plessy versus Ferguson. Separate but equal in the two distinct statuses. Well, they had to overcome that because they don't want to ask you, are you a citizen of The United States or a national? They just want to ask you, are you a citizen of The United States? So they had Brown versus Board overturned Plessy versus Ferguson, where the Brown versus Board in 1954, the thumbnail is equal in the classroom, equal in the society.
So now they've got everybody equal. They're not separate but equal. Everybody's equal because they overcame Plessy versus Ferguson. And if any of you can explain to me how they've got someone who gets civil rights under the fourteenth amendment equal to somebody who's got god given rights, if you could please exchange the and and relate that tortured legal reasoning to me, I'd love to hear it. K? Now after that was done, the one of the biggest obstacles they had to overcome, sixty days later to the day, the 1954 Internal Revenue Code was put into place, and it's still in place today.
So the very first action in the sequence of events, get the tax mechanism in, and the very last event, put the tax mechanism in place. So you think it's important, Michael, this taxing mechanism thingy? You bet it is. If they don't have the taxing mechanism, the the the fiat currency, if you wanna call it that, The paper currency goes crazy, and everybody's gonna know where the inflation came from. That's why it is the key to the whole system is this tax system. That's why these people are so badass, and they get these IRS people to go out there and terrorize people to the extent where when I mention IRS, you're over in the corner with your knees shivering.
Listen. I was the guy's dead now. I had a guy a couple of years ago, about five years ago, who who was had a Patrick something was his name. He had a following. I wasn't familiar with him, but he wanted to, have have me on the show. And he's he said, well, why don't we do something? We'll simulcast them where we got both audiences together. And I mentioned something about the IRS, and he goes, no. No. No. No. You can't talk about them on the show. I don't I don't wanna mess with those guys. So I could talk about everything else on the show, but I couldn't even mention the IRS because he was such a chicken shit. That's how scared he was of them. K? So, anyway, that's what they did. Now let's go back to your case about Brushaber and t TD twenty three thirteen.
Bushaber versus Union Pacific Railroad, pretty famous case. It's very boring, and and I've never read it, and I wouldn't expect any of you to, but you can go online and get a synopsis of it. Okay? And so, it was had to do with Frank Buschaber. I don't remember if he worked for Union Pacific or if he just had Union Pacific bonds. But he had Union Pacific bonds, and that's what the case revolved around. Now if you go read the synopsis online, it says that Frank Bushhaber's attorney brought up in the trial that he was a nonresident alien. It says that on the Internet on the on the abbreviated description.
But when, when they wrote the case and decided it, they didn't mention that at all. But every time that a Supreme Court case is passed or decided upon and it has anything to do with the tax mechanism, they they send that over to the treasury, and the treasury writes what's called a treasury decision. It's referred to as a TD. And this particular treasury decision, Michael, you can go look bring it up online. You and the other folks can. And, when I remember it saying when I looked at it years ago in person, I went and looked at it at Emory Law Library in hard copy and the actual Treasury decision. And what I remember it saying is Frank Bush Haber, a citizen of the state of New York and a nonresident alien.
So even though the Supreme Court didn't mention what the lawyer brought up, the Treasury decision did reference it, Michael. So, do you do you need any more explanation? Oh, do you wanna do 26 CFR 1.1 dash one a? Well, that's, what I see as the of course, if you've been around the I doubt if your wife's been around the tax movement very much. Most women are scared to death of this, and, evidently, your wife is also. And that's understandable. Okay? Women are nesters. They don't like to confront big, bad SWAT teams and agents coming and grabbing your stuff. They just don't like that, and I can understand that. So, the law evidently the the page the tax community for years has been show us the law, show us the law.
And that was Joe Bannister and and and Sherry Jackson Peel was mentioned on here the other day. There were several other of these IRS agents along with Larry Beecraft. They actually put a $50,000 ad in the New York Times, show us the law. Anybody that could bring the law forward, they give them $50. I I I wish I'd have been more grounded back then. I'd be a little bit wealthier, because and here's what I think happened, Michael, and audience is they were checking in the statutes, and they weren't looking in the regulations. K?
I don't know how they could have done that, but that is what I think they did. If they did look in the regulations, they missed it because it's on the front page up on the top right. If you open up 26 CFR and look at the top right page, that's where this regulation is. It's 26 Code of Federal Regulations CFR 1.1 dash one one point one dash one parenthesis small a. Now this goes along with what I've been able to understand about these guys and their MO. They always put the big hook at the front right as quick and close as to the front of whatever they're doing as they can put it. So here's a couple of examples for you. All persons born. There's fourteenth amendment. It's the third word. Here, 1.1 dash one a. Could it get any closer to the front of the book? The nationality act of 1940, definition a, a nationalist total allegiance to a small less state. You can't get closer to the front than that. And I could go on and on. Okay? But I I and one day, it just hit me here on the air. Well, I'll be damned. They always put everything at the front so that you'll, know you got a book of a 200, three hundred pages of this gobbledygook of 26 CFR, and you know you gotta read through it to get what you're looking for. You're never gonna look for the answer on the front page. They know that.
Obviously, that's one of their techniques. K. So that is right there, and that is, as far as I can tell, it's the law. And it says, if you wanna go read it, you can look at it yourself. I encourage you to do that. An income tax is owed by all individuals. Now it's interesting. Again, I'll make the comment that they would use the word individual there instead of person. An income tax is owed by all persons. That's the way they normally do it. But here they use specifically the word individual. And that's because an individual is a human person. And that comes from the fact that our little formula, r plus d equals r, that the rights and the duties that determine what kind of a legal person you are, where you get your rights and to whom you owe your duties, is that is always referred to as a human, an individual.
And the reason it's named and given that is because the individual comes from the root word of indivisible, and the rights and the duties in a human person are in the same entity. So in because taxes are also owed by partnerships and corporations and they use a totally different schedule, here it says individuals, so there's no misconception with another person, quote, unquote, legal person. And income tax is owed by all individuals who are citizens of The United States or residents. Well, we ought to know at this stage that those are the serfs. If you don't know that those are the serfs, go back to square one.
Okay? And to the extent of h 71 and h 77 b, all nonresident alien individuals. Now, Michael, this is for your wife. Okay? See if your wife agrees with us here. There's only two statuses. You're either free or you're a slave. Would you agree with that, Michael? There's only two statuses. You're either free some you're either totally free or somebody has some increment of a property right on you. Right? Are there any other options? I've asked op over the years, I've offered big rewards and everything else, and nobody's ever been able to come up with another option. So I'm assuming that that still stands. You're either free or you're a slave. Now in our 26 1.1-one, here's the two different things. You're either a citizen of The United States or a resident. We know that's the slave.
So doesn't the nonresident alien, Michael, doesn't that have to be the free person because there's no other options? Yeah. Nonresident alien is not and it's not Jose the tomato picker that came up with the other 10,000,000 people. K? It is nonresident to the residency of the fourteenth amendment and the state wherein they reside resident, and and you're alien because you're now a state citizen like Bruce Haber, a citizen of the state of New York, and you're alien, your political status being a state citizen is alien from the federal government. That's how they're using it. So there's only two statuses.
You're either a slave or you're free. We know what the slave statuses are, and we know who's got owes the tax. And here's these other two. This guy down here, nonresident alien, he only owes two sections of the code. Now if you wanna further convince your wife, Michael, go back and do a little research on those sections, and they're both constitutional taxes. If a nonresident alien was Jose the tomato picker, what would he be doing owing two constitutional taxes when he's illegal? Can do do you can I get any more thorough, Michael?
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Michael, that's about the best I can give you. Can you hear me? I I had a hard time to unmute. I oh, I'm listening. I've been listening. Yeah.
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So has your wife been listening? Are you gonna replay this for? I'm we're gonna listen to it half a dozen times. Okay. So that's the deal. And like I said on the tax show on Saturday, did you get to listen to that, by the way, Michael? Oh, yes. We both did. Okay. On the, the tax show and that's what I said. You know, there's guys in front of Congress that are saying things like it's recorded testimony. Say things like, well, your BATF taxes, those are mandatory, but your income tax is totally voluntary. Okay.
But yet and and and that's what I believe. But yet, why if it's totally voluntary or would you would they have to trick you into non filers, I'm talking about, would have to trick you with that confirmatory writing? I guess that's the reason is because it is voluntary, yet there's got to be a ten forty filed. And so if there isn't one filed, they've got to have the ability to put it in there, push code o nine. We talked about it on Saturday. And so they would send that little, innocent looking little letter. There's about four of them, if I remember right in the series. But it says, hey, Michael. We haven't received your tax return for twenty nineteen, twenty twenty. If you've already sent that in, disregard this letter. If not, we might have to ask you to come in and bring in some of your books and records. Well, that John thought thought that that was a confirmatory writing.
And, that is a specialty contract over in the UCC specialty contracts right along with the ten forty form. And, it's, if I remember correctly, it's a writing between merchants who are both apprised to know the contents of the writing. So if they know the contents of the writing and they don't expressly deny it in ten days, it's considered received. And that's what John always thought was being done there. And now they've got you in a contract. So now as it goes along, remember, you were a failure file. As it goes along through the, through through the sequence there and gets down to where returns got to be filed and the computer stops if they're in one. And that's when they use push code o nine to open up the computer, and then they put in that dummy return.
Now a ten forty has been filed. Whatever they wanted to put on it as an amount is on there, and it goes to the next step, which is collections or, no, assessment. And that's where they assess. And after they assess, they can go on to, collections. Now, Michael, there was this there there probably still is a are you familiar with copper moonshine still?
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No. I am only familiar with you.
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Okay. Well, you might want copper moonshine still has got another way of doing this. I don't know how it works or why. One thing, he tells people not to, to check that on a DS 11 if you've never filed for a passport before. There's two questions. Are your parents a citizen in The United States? And he tells them to answer that no. And see, I think that is bad advice. Because unless they knew what we know, all of our parents were born into this condition and agreed with it their entire lives. K? And I will tell you, the passport folks take passport fraud really seriously.
So I don't know why his his people other than they don't want a backlash on this issue because it risks maybe bringing it into the sunlight publicly. That may be the reason. I'm just speculating. Okay? But that's one thing they do, but he's got a bunch of good sites from court sites over there on his website. And, one of them says I think it was an appellate level decision. And it says, unless the person can prove they're not a citizen of The United States, the IRS can go on to assessment collection. Something to that effect. The important part being, unless the person can prove they're not a citizen of The United States, well, to my knowledge, there's only one way to do that, officially, and that's to make some sort of a declaration or an affidavit and submit it to the Secretary of State.
So there's another angle at this. Okay? So you have any questions on that, Michael? A bit of information there for you. I don't have any questions. Well, after you and mama sit down and go over this, if you got questions, come back, and we'll try and try and address them for you. But the best, the the best, I think, proof is in the pudding. And all you know, we've heard they're they're sending bluff letters out to people because they got nothing else to fall back on. They don't know what to do. It's taken them about ten years or more to start doing that, Michael.
They didn't used to do anything. They just sat there mall because they didn't know what else to do. Well, now they've conjured up some rough letters from, oh, missus Robinson, who happens to be the FOIA director, I believe, up at state. The passport office will occasionally send us back a bluff letter, not often, few times. It's very easily overcomeable, and anyone that has ever gotten one that responded to it has always got their documents. I I know you heard the story about Jerry here about a year ago Mhmm. Up in New York with a passport guy Hilton called him and tried to say, no. Your wife was born in Syracuse. She's a citizen of The United States. No. We can't do that.
No. No. And and Jerry kept him in dialogue, and but Hilton said, you really know your stuff. I thought that was a hell of a compliment. And, again, it reinforces you need to know this information called. If you really wanna be free, you need to know this information cold, and it needs to be second nature to you. K? Because you gotta defend it just like Jerry had too. What if Jerry wouldn't have known it and stumbled through that? And Hilda got, these guys don't know crap. They ain't no threat. That's not what he said. He said, you really know your stuff. And that's what they're trying to do is test you. Okay? So what happened?
He said, well, I I I he said, I'm I can't do this for you. You want the check on everything? I'll send it back to you. And he goes, yeah. Because Jerry's going, well, he's already smart enough to know we'll try this a different approach. And they went off for vacation when they came back. For the audience, it may not know. The passport and the passport card were both in the, mailbox. So Hilton was a bluffing piece of crap, wasn't he? Yes. He was. Now you were trying to say something, Michael?
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Well, I I'm staying on the subject of the IRS. So when they pop open my envelope with a ten forty and r and o I and cover letter and your affidavit copy of your affidavit, letting them know that it's on file with the secretary of state and letting them know that the IRS commissioner has been put on notice, yada yada yada. What is that agent gonna do? Because they're gonna go, woah. Woah. Woah. What is this? You know, actually, I can't I I can't answer that question, Michael. I don't know the agent. Most of them are stupid as hell. They don't know crap about internal revenue service laws. I can tell you that.
[00:28:59] Unknown:
I don't I can't predict what other people are gonna do. But as Thomas Jefferson would say, the best way of predicting the future is by knowing the past. Right? Okay. Anybody in the audience here had any problems with the IRS outside of maybe a bluff letter? You wanna tell Michael? Have any of you ever had any problems with these guys seizing anything or garnishing your wages or giving you a frivolous filing penalty or any of that? Has anybody in the audience that's in our little group here any experienced any of that? Please, for Michael's sake, if you've had any of that happen to you, please don't hold back. Come forward and tell him what what they've done to you.
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Have you had emails of people coming to you? Emails?
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Roger? No. Have you had emails? No? No. I'm not accept on the bluff letters. So he I mean, I don't know how many people are in our group today. Paul, how many people are on board with us?
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I need to switch, screens. You're Okay.
[00:30:04] Unknown:
Well, I could come in, Michael, and ask this question every day 48. And you're gonna get the same answer. We got 48 people. Most of them have been around here for a while. I've asked twice, going a third time, has anybody had any repercussions from the IRS on your actions of going through this process?
[00:30:22] Unknown:
How about are any of you all non filers come forward and say, I am a non filer. I'm a non filer. Come forward. I was a non filer. Say you're a non filer. Alright. Anybody wanna come forward and say you're a non filer? I'm not a robot. I think Hi. Suzanne in Virginia.
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I I think it would be easier to, say who is a filer among our group. Not a problem. Take less time.
[00:30:48] Unknown:
Okay. Well, Michael, I'm just I'm being straight straight. You've been listening to me for a while. I never lied to the audience. I have been. Nobody has any problems with these people and haven't for fourteen years. Oh, we get a bluff letter, and the thing says, oh, they all start with the same first paragraph. It's all from the passport offices, not from IRS. But it's basically the same thing. They're just trying to trick you, see how much you know and see if they can intimidate you into a corner and get you back into filing. So, Michael, I I mean, look. It's ultimately you and the wife's decision. So all I can tell you is what I know and exposure to these 48 folks here.
I'd say, has anybody ever had any repercussions from it? And none of them Roger. Say anything. And none of them ever say anything because I don't think it's ever happened, Michael, in fourteen years on the air. Yes. Samuel? Yeah. I was wondering if Michael got his hands on that two pages of case law that we talked about last Saturday. I heard you. I did not look it up yet. Can you say it again? Can you say that? We're we're gonna listen to this over again. Well, let's ask Paul where it is. Paul, could you know where that is? The two pages of case law on the fourteenth amendment being property of the federal government? Are you talking about, US citizens or property nationals or not that time? I'll bet you that's what I'm talking about. That one.
[00:32:15] Unknown:
Okay. Well, if we go if we go to the metrics docs edge, we go down to the download section, and, let's see. There's bonuses. Downloads.
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US citizens or property, US national state citizens are not. The PDF file, and it's, in the download section on the matrixdocs.com.
[00:32:38] Unknown:
There you go, Michael. Y'all go over that. Thank you, Paul.
[00:32:42] Unknown:
You're welcome. There probably shouldn't be US nationals in that title, though. I think I agree with that. Okay.
[00:32:48] Unknown:
US nationals are I I mean, Michael, look. I got no reason to lie to you. K? I'm not charging you any money. I'm not selling you anything. I got a whole 50 people here in the background that have been around here, and depending on who it is. Some of them for almost as long as I've been on the air, Lisa. But, there's just never any repercussions because we've got them by the shorthairs. They're not gonna move on somebody with this or it can be brought into some kind of a forum where sunlight can be shown on it because they don't want anybody to know about this. That's why they went to these links to hide it.
[00:33:28] Unknown:
Mhmm. So your affidavit is just as powerful as that revocation of election. If I'm not worried about the last three years, more powerful. You're saying it's more powerful to the IRS. Yes.
[00:33:44] Unknown:
And why? It's hard.
[00:33:46] Unknown:
And what I there's no mark. Hey, Mark. Just a second. Good to hear your arguing. Every you're you have the choice. This goes back to the seventeen fifties and Vatel's Law of Nations. You've heard us talk about that? Oh, yes. Mhmm. Okay. Well, right there it says every man has the right of personal political self determination. You get to choose which laws you live under. Thing is is you're choosing a set of laws that they've gone to their lengths to hide from you. Okay? So if you wanted to expatriate and you and the wife wanted to move to expatriate to Canada or Europe or some place in the world, now you'd have to go through a process, cost you a little money, but they can't tell you no, can they? No. Okay. So if they do tell you no and they tell you, you and your wife are citizens of The United States.
If they tell you that, now they're open tyrants because they're overriding your decision. That Vatel's statement is also in the United Nations charter. What do you think they used to invade us with 10 to 20,000,000 migrants that are illegal? That's the only conversation with you too. Yeah. Hi. Okay. Hi. This is Lauren. Michael. Alright. Hold on. I'm gonna put I'm gonna put, Michael on the back burner, and and we're gonna talk to you. You, Roger. Okay, Mike. Just hold on. Don't go anywhere. Probably come back to you. Okay. Okay. Who now who was our female?
[00:35:27] Unknown:
Lauren. Lauren?
[00:35:29] Unknown:
No. It's not. Hey, you sweetheart.
[00:35:33] Unknown:
Well,
[00:35:33] Unknown:
hi. Hi.
[00:35:35] Unknown:
I'm sorry? This is one of our first female lionesses, by the way. You've heard me speak about her. She lives down there in Southern Pennsylvania, and she is, named Lauren, and she is a stem winder. Aren't you?
[00:35:50] Unknown:
I don't know what that is, but, yeah, I'll go with it. Well, I had I had some information
[00:35:55] Unknown:
here for Michael. I I divorced the IRS, and I went through the procedure that Roger teaches you how to do about five years ago. And then about two years ago, I decided I wanted to open up a dividend reinvestment account with a company called Broadridge, and I did. And I gave them my Social Security number. And I got a message back that says, without a certified taxpayer identification number on file, internal revenue services re service regulations require us to withhold 24% of the proceeds from any dividend or sale of shares. K? I did give them my Social Security number. So, apparently, they tried to process that form and got the I got this message back that that that number is no longer a certified taxpayer identification number.
So they want me to fill out a w nine, and I wrote back to them and I said, no. I can't do that because I I don't choose to be a taxpayer. And you're withholding monies from me that you might be required to withhold from a taxpayer, but I'm not a taxpayer. So we're still going around and around with this. It's such a little bit of money that it's not a real pressing issue for me. So I haven't really pressed it, but, I will.
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So Lauren is playing cat, and this organization is the mouse.
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Yes. Yeah. I mean, I I understand hear your voice. They they well, thank you. Thank you. I understand. It's been a long time. Yeah. Been with us in Coon's age. I know. Well, I really don't have much to to add or to say, and there are other people here who need to learn what I already know. So but I just wanted to let my
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And in these here, now, I did one thing Lauren did for us was she spotted an article on Plessy versus Ferguson. There's a commemoration of it a few years back, and she spotted that. It gave us a bunch of insight into that we didn't have before. So thank you for that still. Okay? But for Michael and his wife's, situation here, when did you go through this? Like, it was more than five years ago, wouldn't it?
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Well, I filed all the paperwork about five years ago. And then when I retired and I start collecting my pension and my Social Security check, of course, they ask you, how much do you want us to be to withhold? And I said nothing, and nothing has ever been withheld for a go over four years now.
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That's what you know, when you learn this stuff and you're applying it and I understand why people are scared of the federal government. They they put that intimidation in you. But when you go forward and you get your act together a little bit, you get your arms around this like Lauren, you get a little bit aggressive with some of these people. And you go to some bureaucrat, and you you you want something done. And and they say, are you a citizen of The United States? And you say, no. I'm a national. Well, it's amazing. They go ahead and do what you wanted them to do.
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Mhmm. When I recently brief. No. When I recently renewed my driver's license, I was asked, are you a citizen of The United States? And I said no. They went on with everything because and I wasn't going to say, are you using that phrase geographically or politically? I thought, nah. I'm not gonna get into that because they don't know.
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I no. They don't said no
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because I'm not.
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So they and they still issued you the DL.
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Oh, yeah. Yep. Okay. Yeah.
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Well, for some of the ladies here, Lauren Lauren is extremely aggressive in confrontation, k, with her retired military neighbor who tried to tell her she was a traitor one day or something years ago Mhmm. And all this. I mean, Lauren, she she just doesn't put up with any crap from anybody, girls and guys. No. No.
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I don't.
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For everybody who wanna introduce you to this new crew here, we've got some outstanding lion type a lionesses here. Okay?
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I got a question from Lauren.
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Okay. Alright. Good. Go ahead, please. Hey. It's Jack in Colorado.
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Just curious what you did, Warren. Did you do a revocation of election official letter with IRS or just,
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send them your affidavit and say I'm done paying? I don't think we were doing ROEs back then, were we, Lauren?
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I did. The first thing I did was the citizenship status verification through the state department. So once I had that done, then I could move forward to file a revocation of election. I got a package from Americans Bulletin, and it's no longer available on their site, but this was an exhaustive lots of material to send for a revocation of election. There were lots of, federal register citations in there, tons of law, and it was like, there's no way they can come back at any of this. I gave them ninety days to re to refute rebut any of my assertions, and no one did. And that package went to, I think it was nine different revenue agencies.
All of the revenue agencies in Pennsylvania, every federal reg revenue agency, and the Puerto Rico agency as well.
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So were you asking for money back to to get a refund for money you paid in?
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No. No. This was just purely a revocation of elections. Like, I'm Yeah. We're we're getting a divorce. Here's my stance. And if you wanna counter any of it, you have ninety days. And I never got anything back from anyone.
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Not not even a threat letter?
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No. No. Nothing. They were they weren't doing that back then, Jack. I mean, they've just started those things real recently. Let me say hello to Mark. He takes time out of his Las Vegas vacation. Just come join us. Hey, Mark. I think you're still here. Great. Yeah. Hey, buddy. Intention
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for a beautiful, sunny Las Vegas. Well, good. They do find it not be in Oklahoma. They're having all kinds of, rain and cold weather, and so it's a good time to get to hang.
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You're gonna get to hang with Casarab a little bit too,
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Yeah. I'm looking forward to that. I that was I didn't know about that till I heard it on the radio. So Yeah. There you go. March is down your snow.
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So you've been out there a couple of days. That's why you weren't with us last week?
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Yeah. Exactly. Wednesday was a travel day. And then I got here, and I got a head cold. I had some kind of a Oh, yeah. I can hear it. I can hear it. I guess reaction. So I got a head cold. I don't know. A man started it before I left, but it's hard to say. Everything's blooming in in, Oklahoma. Everything's turning green. Allergies are just crazy there. Right. By the way, Oklahoma is the fifth fifth worst state if you're an allergy sufferer. So it's, not good. But, anyway,
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oh, what was I gonna say? Oh. Well, I don't know. But I want you to meet I want you to meet Lauren. Lauren Mark is a paralegal for about twenty years that, discovered us a while back. So I think that was after you were hanging around. So, Mark, meet Lauren. Lauren, meet Mark. Hi, Mark. Hey, Lauren. Good good to, meet you.
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A lot of a lot of people have been around Rogers material for a long time. And, you know, once you once you wrap your head around it and it's so liberating and your your whole mindset mindset changes and you no longer you know, it's most everybody that doesn't file, you know, as a national, they don't file a tax return to IRS that first year or so. They're scared to death. Mhmm. And, like, we've been all brainwashed into, you know, hearing the stories. Usually, from the January 1 till April 15, they they send out propaganda on the news about all these tax protesters and people going to jail for tax avoidance and blah blah blah.
And it's just like clockwork once you once you become aware of it. Now we did have, one of Rogers' listeners, had had some blowback from the IRS when they filed their ten forty n r. But from what I can tell, they did it improperly. And they tried to get it with primo requirements.
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We weren't you we weren't doing this when well, we weren't doing this when you were around. And what happened was it came up on the air one day a couple years ago, and this is what John and Glenn founded the whole deal on was this revocation of election of being able to change your status and then go back and get if you've been filing your last three years back. And so, I was talking about it on the air here. It hit me one day. Well, I got the missing piece to that. What they didn't know is filing with the secretary of state or we we may live in a different country if that would have been the case back then.
K? So, I started talking about it on the air, and one of our listeners on his own, no help from me, didn't I didn't know he was doing it, did his, request for three years back and got back a substantial sum of currency. And, he came on and told us about that, and that's kind of what started the ball rolling on this again. He goes back a tiny stone.
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He's the only person I know of that got three years back. So I don't know yet. I'd like to see a couple more people get re re refunds for previous years. I know Dave and Kaye in Alabama are working on that. And, but what I was gonna say is we we did have a listener who filed a ten forty n r, and they got a frivolous filing penalty against them. And I directed them to, SEDM. It's Sovereign Education and Defense Ministry. They they got a sample letter from there that they purchased. They modified it to meet, you know, our wording as a national, sent it in, and boom, they they dropped all the referrals, silent penalties.
So the whole point is is that the nonresident alien, they really can't assess you any kind of penalty or fine. It just changes the ballgame all the way around. And that's really the only blowback that I've heard about that. And when I reviewed their tax form, they didn't fill it out properly.
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Wow. So
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I think that's much of interest as frivolous. Okay. But, Lauren, are you something you've paired up. Go ahead, Mark. Did they get the refund? I don't know. I didn't I didn't didn't really touch base with them to see. I think they had to refile. They filed an amended return, but they didn't they weren't assessed any fines or penalties. I mean, they got a letter saying that, they're gonna not charge the fee. They basically redacted it. That's correct. They they removed it. Yep. Interesting. Interesting. Under floor just getting heat from the state, does do you get heat from Pennsylvania state for not paying taxes?
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None at all. Interesting.
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Now we We are just getting around and around. We we do have an issue with the Oklahoma Tax Commission, and this might be the trial of but they're according to their definitions, if you have a permanent home in Oklahoma, then you're con you're considered a resident of Oklahoma. And so this person actually had filed their their ten forty n r, and they got a full refund of everything that was withheld. And they would file the their Oklahoma tax return according to their guidelines, and they won't process it. So they're staying in front of it. You can't have Well zero income. Well, it's it's zero well, let me back up and say it this way.
The first thing they ask on the five eleven tax form for Oklahoma residences, what is your adjusted gross income? Well, from the ten forty in our form, it's zero. I have zero income. Zero adjusted gross income. And so the Oklahoma Tax Commission is talking about the work. We've been going back and forth with them. This is, I don't wanna be real I don't wanna be real super specific, but I would just say that, I think I think this will be end up being a a challenge and a problem as the, you know, what what the outcome of this is. Now in my opinion, it would have been best if this person would have not if if they would have put in with their employer to exempt their paycheck from taxes, but then you wouldn't be battling them for any any taxes because they wouldn't be able to to grab a hold of.
But since they already had withholding, the state's not in a big hurry to solve this problem. To let it go. Solve the problem, that means they get a full refund.
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Right. Don't forget Michael Nail in Alabama is having problems over there too with the Alabama authorities going, we don't care if you're a resident or not. You know? And I said, well, it's not up to you. It's up to the legislature there, you greedy bastard. But everybody's scrambling for cash. Paul, I think you turned the volume down on our exit there. So I don't know where we are in, finishing the program. But, we're getting pretty close to the end, if not already. But, Lauren, what a joy to hear you again, and that was a nice email I received this morning. So thank you very much for jumping on. Please come join us more. We got a nice group around here. We got several real sharp gals from just below you there in Virginia. We had Nancy, and and Suzanne said something a minute ago.
And, we've got, Julie, and some of these real sharp lionesses are wonderful. Yes.
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Yes. I've mentioned Julie.
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I did mention Julie. Okay. Bye bye. See you, Lauren. Come back and visit.
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Alright. Bye bye. I will.
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Alright, sweetie. We love you. One of our early, early, little aggressive gals. Yes? Miss Michelle,
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I've been saving my tax receipts, and I've heard on your show I believe it was your show that some lady kept all her tax receipts, and at the end of the year, asked for a refund and received it. Am I hearing anybody else that's heard that?
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I don't think you heard that on our program. I don't remember hearing it.
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Uh-huh. I I don't remember really where I heard it, but Okay. I it's I'm saving my tax receipt. If for nothing else, the taxes I pay on food are really amazing and gas. It it really adds up. So I don't know if you're them and maybe I'll put them in. Well, if you were down here, you'd get that back,
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because we're on the VAT tax. And we 15% VAT tax, like, when you go out and eat a meal, 15%. Any money you spend is 15%. And if you're, a huberta, retirement age, you, and you're legal, like a legal resident, all of that 15% goes into an account and you get it back. Somebody somebody got back, like, $2,800, the other day in unusual circumstances, but others get back 800 to a thousand. So do you you wanna move to, Ecuador? You can do that down here.
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No. I I I wanna stay in America.
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Okay.
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So, anyway but, we need I'm saving mine.
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Okay. Well, that's alright. You can do that. So anybody else? Mark, really good to hear your voice, bud. I was a little concerned about you because I didn't know you were going out there. But, I'm glad to know you're safe. Yeah. Good to be here. Yeah. And, maybe you can go buy Binion's for John just to have a nice, good roll out of that place for John Benson. So who wants somebody else?
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Yeah. About anybody else? Horseshoe?
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Yeah. Binion's Horseshoe downtown. Excellent. But, well, all those places have great buffets, but that was the one John particularly liked. Yes. Who was the Roger there? Samuel.
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I just I just wanted to point out to people like Michael who are new to this is the diabolical nature of the fourteenth amendment. The the argument in Roe versus Wade is that you had to be born to have any rights. Oh, yeah. That was the main argument. And Oh, yeah. You know, what, 60,000,000 or so souls later, that's just diabolical.
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Yep. Yep. Especially when you go back to the old medical books, and they were very, very adamant that life began at conception. But the fourteenth amendment says otherwise, so there you go. As long as you're in mama's womb, you're fair game. K? Anybody else got something for me today? Michael, hope you and mama can get through that. If you got questions, come on back. Great to hear, Lauren. Good to know you're alright, Mark. And, good to get another Monday, session in the can. So we'll see what kind of hell breaks loose the rest of the day, and we'll talk about it, or maybe we'll have some new students. Larry, are did are you with us today? Did you ever get with William? I guess Larry's with us today.
Anyway, we didn't have any
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He reminded me. I sent him a message a while ago, and and he he responded.
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So Okay. Well, I've been working on it today, so I don't know if they're PO'd at me or what, but we'll see. If they are, I'm sorry for them. Okay. Well, I'm gonna check out unless somebody's got something for me. You guys have a great day, and, we'll see what tomorrow brings. So love each and every one of you. Ciao. This,
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Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.
There's somebody. Yes, sir?
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Yeah. Roger. Michael. Minnesota.
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Hey, Michael.
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Can you go over the Bush Haver versus Union Pacific Railway? The Not really. Decision 2313 Woah. The 26CFR1Dot1Dash1A.
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Right. And then the non proton to your 19 80 5. Can you, I don't know about, I don't know about non proton. Okay. But I can give you a little background on the others. I've never read a briefcase.
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Go ahead.
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Can you speak a little bit so I can replay it for my wife and how it all ties into how the IRS will look at these cases and how our affidavit that we we give to the secretary of state and we apply it to give the notice to the IRS and how all of this ties into these, treasury decision twenty three thirteen Bush Haber Union Pacific Railway and twenty six CFR one dot one dash one eight.
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Well, first, let's start with Pollock versus Farmers Savings and Loan in the late eighteen hundreds, which was the first time they tried a direct tax. Remember, we went over Saturday. Let me take my sweater off here. I'm getting a little warm. I'll be right back. Because the sun's all out and all that stuff. Okay, Michael. Let's see here. Okay. Pollock versus Farmer Savings and Loan, I believe, late eighteen hundreds. It was the first time they tried a direct tax that was not apportioned, and, the Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional. So they had to go back to the drawing board on that. Remember, this is in the period of time when tariffs were run-in the country, not not taxes.
The taxes were being paid by other countries, and The US was in an incredibly good financial position in those years. So we come along, and in 1913 I noticed 1913. Thirteen's '1 of their big numbers. And when it came around last century, they utilized it. And that was the year they passed, the seventeenth, the sixteenth, and the, Federal Reserve Act. Now if you go back to those, Michael, and you look at that, isn't it interesting that they taxed passed the well, they didn't pass it. It was illegal. That's been proven by Bill Benson's book, The Law That Never Was, where they went to every state. He and Red Beckman went to every state in the union, which was a state in 1913 and went into the archives, and they found they got certified and notarized copies, and they found that not in the, end analysis.
Oh, I didn't oh, wow. Sneezo. Excuse me. In the end analysis, not one state passed the sixteenth amendment. You know, for them to ratify an amendment, Michael, it's gotta be very specific. It takes two thirds of the states, I believe, and they've gotta read the amendment. It's passed in congress first and circulated among the states. And it's got to be read three times in the state legislature out loud, and not one comma, not one period, not one colon or semicolon can be out of place or it doesn't count. So what they found was that not one state really passed and ratified the sixteenth amendment.
But when it came back as such a critical element, this tax par, when it came back to the senate and the secretary of state was a guy named Philander would you trust a guy with the first name Philander, Michael? His name was Philander Knox. And he got up in front of the senate and bashed the gavel down and said, it appears that the sixteenth amendment's been ratified. Well, it wasn't. It was a lie, just like the seventeenth. Couple important things to note there. Outside of the fourteenth amendment and the citizen of The United States status, this was the very first thing they did as they started their long trek to switch the systems and get us where we are today.
So isn't it interesting that they passed the tax amendment first? You would have thought they'd pass the the Federal Reserve System first, wouldn't you? But they didn't. They passed the sixteenth amendment changing, at least ostensibly, changing the taxing patterns. That was in the spring in April. That's really important, by the way. And, the second thing they did was in the summer with the seventeenth amendment. We're suffering under that now because the states used to appoint the late state legislatures used to appoint the senators to DC so the states had representation.
And so if the senators weren't voting correctly, the legislature could yank them back and change them. Well, the seventeenth amendment changed that. Now as that applies to what we do here with the changing status, you can go into go to Wikipedia and go to citizenship of The United States. Wikipedia. Not the most reliable of sources, generally. So the first couple of paragraphs on that page deal with the citizen of The United States. And then they quote the Fourteenth Amendment, and then right after that, it says national citizenship.
There's a paragraph right after they quote the Fourteenth Amendment that talks about national citizenship. And it said, well, it may have some effect on your taxes. And, the only yeah. Like, you don't owe any of them. And, the only thing that it really interrupt interferes with is running for senator. So you can't be a national and run for senator according to Wikipedia. K. That's the only place I've ever seen that, but that's it's right there. You can go look at it. And you'll notice also it says national status. Right at the first of the paragraph, national, however it states it, is in script.
And usually when something my experience on the Internet is when something's in script and you put your cursor over it, it's a hotlink. But it's in script, and there's no hotlink under it for whatever that's worth. So there's National right there in Wikipedia, believe it or not. And so, then in the Christmas recess, when they bought all the senators' first class train tickets home and all that stuff, they kept a few around. They they, I guess, had enough for a quorum, and they secretly, in the middle of the night, passed the Secret Reserve Act. The important part about that little story there is, again, at the first, wouldn't you think they would have passed the Federal Reserve Act first and reversed the order?
So why did that happen? I I don't I doubt if any of you ever thought about that. K? Why would that happen and be structured that way? Because the tax system we now know is the absolute Achilles heel of their system. If that's not in place and it's not operable, the entire rest of their system goes straight downhill because the fiat currency or the currency based on us as collateral gets continued to be printed and loaned into circulation, and there's no tax net mechanism to pull it out and equalize its value in there, then you'll have hyperinflation, and everybody will know immediately where it came from.
But if they've got the tax mechanism in place first, then they can pass the monetary system and be assured that they can control it with the tax mechanism. Now the other important thing here, to me anyway, is that if you go down the line of the events they had to do and you get to the line, it was the tax system that was the very last thing that was put into place after everything else was done. They changed state citizen to national in the forties. They created the IRS. They did Bretton Woods and all that in the forties. They went to 51, and they created the Internal Revenue Service internally on a treasury order.
And I believe it's treasury order '51. K? And so internally in the treasury department, the IRS was formed in '51. In '54, they had to overcome the biggest obstacle they had to overcome, which was Plessy versus Ferguson. Separate but equal in the two distinct statuses. Well, they had to overcome that because they don't want to ask you, are you a citizen of The United States or a national? They just want to ask you, are you a citizen of The United States? So they had Brown versus Board overturned Plessy versus Ferguson, where the Brown versus Board in 1954, the thumbnail is equal in the classroom, equal in the society.
So now they've got everybody equal. They're not separate but equal. Everybody's equal because they overcame Plessy versus Ferguson. And if any of you can explain to me how they've got someone who gets civil rights under the fourteenth amendment equal to somebody who's got god given rights, if you could please exchange the and and relate that tortured legal reasoning to me, I'd love to hear it. K? Now after that was done, the one of the biggest obstacles they had to overcome, sixty days later to the day, the 1954 Internal Revenue Code was put into place, and it's still in place today.
So the very first action in the sequence of events, get the tax mechanism in, and the very last event, put the tax mechanism in place. So you think it's important, Michael, this taxing mechanism thingy? You bet it is. If they don't have the taxing mechanism, the the the fiat currency, if you wanna call it that, The paper currency goes crazy, and everybody's gonna know where the inflation came from. That's why it is the key to the whole system is this tax system. That's why these people are so badass, and they get these IRS people to go out there and terrorize people to the extent where when I mention IRS, you're over in the corner with your knees shivering.
Listen. I was the guy's dead now. I had a guy a couple of years ago, about five years ago, who who was had a Patrick something was his name. He had a following. I wasn't familiar with him, but he wanted to, have have me on the show. And he's he said, well, why don't we do something? We'll simulcast them where we got both audiences together. And I mentioned something about the IRS, and he goes, no. No. No. No. You can't talk about them on the show. I don't I don't wanna mess with those guys. So I could talk about everything else on the show, but I couldn't even mention the IRS because he was such a chicken shit. That's how scared he was of them. K? So, anyway, that's what they did. Now let's go back to your case about Brushaber and t TD twenty three thirteen.
Bushaber versus Union Pacific Railroad, pretty famous case. It's very boring, and and I've never read it, and I wouldn't expect any of you to, but you can go online and get a synopsis of it. Okay? And so, it was had to do with Frank Buschaber. I don't remember if he worked for Union Pacific or if he just had Union Pacific bonds. But he had Union Pacific bonds, and that's what the case revolved around. Now if you go read the synopsis online, it says that Frank Bushhaber's attorney brought up in the trial that he was a nonresident alien. It says that on the Internet on the on the abbreviated description.
But when, when they wrote the case and decided it, they didn't mention that at all. But every time that a Supreme Court case is passed or decided upon and it has anything to do with the tax mechanism, they they send that over to the treasury, and the treasury writes what's called a treasury decision. It's referred to as a TD. And this particular treasury decision, Michael, you can go look bring it up online. You and the other folks can. And, when I remember it saying when I looked at it years ago in person, I went and looked at it at Emory Law Library in hard copy and the actual Treasury decision. And what I remember it saying is Frank Bush Haber, a citizen of the state of New York and a nonresident alien.
So even though the Supreme Court didn't mention what the lawyer brought up, the Treasury decision did reference it, Michael. So, do you do you need any more explanation? Oh, do you wanna do 26 CFR 1.1 dash one a? Well, that's, what I see as the of course, if you've been around the I doubt if your wife's been around the tax movement very much. Most women are scared to death of this, and, evidently, your wife is also. And that's understandable. Okay? Women are nesters. They don't like to confront big, bad SWAT teams and agents coming and grabbing your stuff. They just don't like that, and I can understand that. So, the law evidently the the page the tax community for years has been show us the law, show us the law.
And that was Joe Bannister and and and Sherry Jackson Peel was mentioned on here the other day. There were several other of these IRS agents along with Larry Beecraft. They actually put a $50,000 ad in the New York Times, show us the law. Anybody that could bring the law forward, they give them $50. I I I wish I'd have been more grounded back then. I'd be a little bit wealthier, because and here's what I think happened, Michael, and audience is they were checking in the statutes, and they weren't looking in the regulations. K?
I don't know how they could have done that, but that is what I think they did. If they did look in the regulations, they missed it because it's on the front page up on the top right. If you open up 26 CFR and look at the top right page, that's where this regulation is. It's 26 Code of Federal Regulations CFR 1.1 dash one one point one dash one parenthesis small a. Now this goes along with what I've been able to understand about these guys and their MO. They always put the big hook at the front right as quick and close as to the front of whatever they're doing as they can put it. So here's a couple of examples for you. All persons born. There's fourteenth amendment. It's the third word. Here, 1.1 dash one a. Could it get any closer to the front of the book? The nationality act of 1940, definition a, a nationalist total allegiance to a small less state. You can't get closer to the front than that. And I could go on and on. Okay? But I I and one day, it just hit me here on the air. Well, I'll be damned. They always put everything at the front so that you'll, know you got a book of a 200, three hundred pages of this gobbledygook of 26 CFR, and you know you gotta read through it to get what you're looking for. You're never gonna look for the answer on the front page. They know that.
Obviously, that's one of their techniques. K. So that is right there, and that is, as far as I can tell, it's the law. And it says, if you wanna go read it, you can look at it yourself. I encourage you to do that. An income tax is owed by all individuals. Now it's interesting. Again, I'll make the comment that they would use the word individual there instead of person. An income tax is owed by all persons. That's the way they normally do it. But here they use specifically the word individual. And that's because an individual is a human person. And that comes from the fact that our little formula, r plus d equals r, that the rights and the duties that determine what kind of a legal person you are, where you get your rights and to whom you owe your duties, is that is always referred to as a human, an individual.
And the reason it's named and given that is because the individual comes from the root word of indivisible, and the rights and the duties in a human person are in the same entity. So in because taxes are also owed by partnerships and corporations and they use a totally different schedule, here it says individuals, so there's no misconception with another person, quote, unquote, legal person. And income tax is owed by all individuals who are citizens of The United States or residents. Well, we ought to know at this stage that those are the serfs. If you don't know that those are the serfs, go back to square one.
Okay? And to the extent of h 71 and h 77 b, all nonresident alien individuals. Now, Michael, this is for your wife. Okay? See if your wife agrees with us here. There's only two statuses. You're either free or you're a slave. Would you agree with that, Michael? There's only two statuses. You're either free some you're either totally free or somebody has some increment of a property right on you. Right? Are there any other options? I've asked op over the years, I've offered big rewards and everything else, and nobody's ever been able to come up with another option. So I'm assuming that that still stands. You're either free or you're a slave. Now in our 26 1.1-one, here's the two different things. You're either a citizen of The United States or a resident. We know that's the slave.
So doesn't the nonresident alien, Michael, doesn't that have to be the free person because there's no other options? Yeah. Nonresident alien is not and it's not Jose the tomato picker that came up with the other 10,000,000 people. K? It is nonresident to the residency of the fourteenth amendment and the state wherein they reside resident, and and you're alien because you're now a state citizen like Bruce Haber, a citizen of the state of New York, and you're alien, your political status being a state citizen is alien from the federal government. That's how they're using it. So there's only two statuses.
You're either a slave or you're free. We know what the slave statuses are, and we know who's got owes the tax. And here's these other two. This guy down here, nonresident alien, he only owes two sections of the code. Now if you wanna further convince your wife, Michael, go back and do a little research on those sections, and they're both constitutional taxes. If a nonresident alien was Jose the tomato picker, what would he be doing owing two constitutional taxes when he's illegal? Can do do you can I get any more thorough, Michael?
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Michael, that's about the best I can give you. Can you hear me? I I had a hard time to unmute. I oh, I'm listening. I've been listening. Yeah.
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So has your wife been listening? Are you gonna replay this for? I'm we're gonna listen to it half a dozen times. Okay. So that's the deal. And like I said on the tax show on Saturday, did you get to listen to that, by the way, Michael? Oh, yes. We both did. Okay. On the, the tax show and that's what I said. You know, there's guys in front of Congress that are saying things like it's recorded testimony. Say things like, well, your BATF taxes, those are mandatory, but your income tax is totally voluntary. Okay.
But yet and and and that's what I believe. But yet, why if it's totally voluntary or would you would they have to trick you into non filers, I'm talking about, would have to trick you with that confirmatory writing? I guess that's the reason is because it is voluntary, yet there's got to be a ten forty filed. And so if there isn't one filed, they've got to have the ability to put it in there, push code o nine. We talked about it on Saturday. And so they would send that little, innocent looking little letter. There's about four of them, if I remember right in the series. But it says, hey, Michael. We haven't received your tax return for twenty nineteen, twenty twenty. If you've already sent that in, disregard this letter. If not, we might have to ask you to come in and bring in some of your books and records. Well, that John thought thought that that was a confirmatory writing.
And, that is a specialty contract over in the UCC specialty contracts right along with the ten forty form. And, it's, if I remember correctly, it's a writing between merchants who are both apprised to know the contents of the writing. So if they know the contents of the writing and they don't expressly deny it in ten days, it's considered received. And that's what John always thought was being done there. And now they've got you in a contract. So now as it goes along, remember, you were a failure file. As it goes along through the, through through the sequence there and gets down to where returns got to be filed and the computer stops if they're in one. And that's when they use push code o nine to open up the computer, and then they put in that dummy return.
Now a ten forty has been filed. Whatever they wanted to put on it as an amount is on there, and it goes to the next step, which is collections or, no, assessment. And that's where they assess. And after they assess, they can go on to, collections. Now, Michael, there was this there there probably still is a are you familiar with copper moonshine still?
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No. I am only familiar with you.
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Okay. Well, you might want copper moonshine still has got another way of doing this. I don't know how it works or why. One thing, he tells people not to, to check that on a DS 11 if you've never filed for a passport before. There's two questions. Are your parents a citizen in The United States? And he tells them to answer that no. And see, I think that is bad advice. Because unless they knew what we know, all of our parents were born into this condition and agreed with it their entire lives. K? And I will tell you, the passport folks take passport fraud really seriously.
So I don't know why his his people other than they don't want a backlash on this issue because it risks maybe bringing it into the sunlight publicly. That may be the reason. I'm just speculating. Okay? But that's one thing they do, but he's got a bunch of good sites from court sites over there on his website. And, one of them says I think it was an appellate level decision. And it says, unless the person can prove they're not a citizen of The United States, the IRS can go on to assessment collection. Something to that effect. The important part being, unless the person can prove they're not a citizen of The United States, well, to my knowledge, there's only one way to do that, officially, and that's to make some sort of a declaration or an affidavit and submit it to the Secretary of State.
So there's another angle at this. Okay? So you have any questions on that, Michael? A bit of information there for you. I don't have any questions. Well, after you and mama sit down and go over this, if you got questions, come back, and we'll try and try and address them for you. But the best, the the best, I think, proof is in the pudding. And all you know, we've heard they're they're sending bluff letters out to people because they got nothing else to fall back on. They don't know what to do. It's taken them about ten years or more to start doing that, Michael.
They didn't used to do anything. They just sat there mall because they didn't know what else to do. Well, now they've conjured up some rough letters from, oh, missus Robinson, who happens to be the FOIA director, I believe, up at state. The passport office will occasionally send us back a bluff letter, not often, few times. It's very easily overcomeable, and anyone that has ever gotten one that responded to it has always got their documents. I I know you heard the story about Jerry here about a year ago Mhmm. Up in New York with a passport guy Hilton called him and tried to say, no. Your wife was born in Syracuse. She's a citizen of The United States. No. We can't do that.
No. No. And and Jerry kept him in dialogue, and but Hilton said, you really know your stuff. I thought that was a hell of a compliment. And, again, it reinforces you need to know this information called. If you really wanna be free, you need to know this information cold, and it needs to be second nature to you. K? Because you gotta defend it just like Jerry had too. What if Jerry wouldn't have known it and stumbled through that? And Hilda got, these guys don't know crap. They ain't no threat. That's not what he said. He said, you really know your stuff. And that's what they're trying to do is test you. Okay? So what happened?
He said, well, I I I he said, I'm I can't do this for you. You want the check on everything? I'll send it back to you. And he goes, yeah. Because Jerry's going, well, he's already smart enough to know we'll try this a different approach. And they went off for vacation when they came back. For the audience, it may not know. The passport and the passport card were both in the, mailbox. So Hilton was a bluffing piece of crap, wasn't he? Yes. He was. Now you were trying to say something, Michael?
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Well, I I'm staying on the subject of the IRS. So when they pop open my envelope with a ten forty and r and o I and cover letter and your affidavit copy of your affidavit, letting them know that it's on file with the secretary of state and letting them know that the IRS commissioner has been put on notice, yada yada yada. What is that agent gonna do? Because they're gonna go, woah. Woah. Woah. What is this? You know, actually, I can't I I can't answer that question, Michael. I don't know the agent. Most of them are stupid as hell. They don't know crap about internal revenue service laws. I can tell you that.
[00:28:59] Unknown:
I don't I can't predict what other people are gonna do. But as Thomas Jefferson would say, the best way of predicting the future is by knowing the past. Right? Okay. Anybody in the audience here had any problems with the IRS outside of maybe a bluff letter? You wanna tell Michael? Have any of you ever had any problems with these guys seizing anything or garnishing your wages or giving you a frivolous filing penalty or any of that? Has anybody in the audience that's in our little group here any experienced any of that? Please, for Michael's sake, if you've had any of that happen to you, please don't hold back. Come forward and tell him what what they've done to you.
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Have you had emails of people coming to you? Emails?
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Roger? No. Have you had emails? No? No. I'm not accept on the bluff letters. So he I mean, I don't know how many people are in our group today. Paul, how many people are on board with us?
[00:29:58] Unknown:
I need to switch, screens. You're Okay.
[00:30:04] Unknown:
Well, I could come in, Michael, and ask this question every day 48. And you're gonna get the same answer. We got 48 people. Most of them have been around here for a while. I've asked twice, going a third time, has anybody had any repercussions from the IRS on your actions of going through this process?
[00:30:22] Unknown:
How about are any of you all non filers come forward and say, I am a non filer. I'm a non filer. Come forward. I was a non filer. Say you're a non filer. Alright. Anybody wanna come forward and say you're a non filer? I'm not a robot. I think Hi. Suzanne in Virginia.
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I I think it would be easier to, say who is a filer among our group. Not a problem. Take less time.
[00:30:48] Unknown:
Okay. Well, Michael, I'm just I'm being straight straight. You've been listening to me for a while. I never lied to the audience. I have been. Nobody has any problems with these people and haven't for fourteen years. Oh, we get a bluff letter, and the thing says, oh, they all start with the same first paragraph. It's all from the passport offices, not from IRS. But it's basically the same thing. They're just trying to trick you, see how much you know and see if they can intimidate you into a corner and get you back into filing. So, Michael, I I mean, look. It's ultimately you and the wife's decision. So all I can tell you is what I know and exposure to these 48 folks here.
I'd say, has anybody ever had any repercussions from it? And none of them Roger. Say anything. And none of them ever say anything because I don't think it's ever happened, Michael, in fourteen years on the air. Yes. Samuel? Yeah. I was wondering if Michael got his hands on that two pages of case law that we talked about last Saturday. I heard you. I did not look it up yet. Can you say it again? Can you say that? We're we're gonna listen to this over again. Well, let's ask Paul where it is. Paul, could you know where that is? The two pages of case law on the fourteenth amendment being property of the federal government? Are you talking about, US citizens or property nationals or not that time? I'll bet you that's what I'm talking about. That one.
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Okay. Well, if we go if we go to the metrics docs edge, we go down to the download section, and, let's see. There's bonuses. Downloads.
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US citizens or property, US national state citizens are not. The PDF file, and it's, in the download section on the matrixdocs.com.
[00:32:38] Unknown:
There you go, Michael. Y'all go over that. Thank you, Paul.
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You're welcome. There probably shouldn't be US nationals in that title, though. I think I agree with that. Okay.
[00:32:48] Unknown:
US nationals are I I mean, Michael, look. I got no reason to lie to you. K? I'm not charging you any money. I'm not selling you anything. I got a whole 50 people here in the background that have been around here, and depending on who it is. Some of them for almost as long as I've been on the air, Lisa. But, there's just never any repercussions because we've got them by the shorthairs. They're not gonna move on somebody with this or it can be brought into some kind of a forum where sunlight can be shown on it because they don't want anybody to know about this. That's why they went to these links to hide it.
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Mhmm. So your affidavit is just as powerful as that revocation of election. If I'm not worried about the last three years, more powerful. You're saying it's more powerful to the IRS. Yes.
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And why? It's hard.
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And what I there's no mark. Hey, Mark. Just a second. Good to hear your arguing. Every you're you have the choice. This goes back to the seventeen fifties and Vatel's Law of Nations. You've heard us talk about that? Oh, yes. Mhmm. Okay. Well, right there it says every man has the right of personal political self determination. You get to choose which laws you live under. Thing is is you're choosing a set of laws that they've gone to their lengths to hide from you. Okay? So if you wanted to expatriate and you and the wife wanted to move to expatriate to Canada or Europe or some place in the world, now you'd have to go through a process, cost you a little money, but they can't tell you no, can they? No. Okay. So if they do tell you no and they tell you, you and your wife are citizens of The United States.
If they tell you that, now they're open tyrants because they're overriding your decision. That Vatel's statement is also in the United Nations charter. What do you think they used to invade us with 10 to 20,000,000 migrants that are illegal? That's the only conversation with you too. Yeah. Hi. Okay. Hi. This is Lauren. Michael. Alright. Hold on. I'm gonna put I'm gonna put, Michael on the back burner, and and we're gonna talk to you. You, Roger. Okay, Mike. Just hold on. Don't go anywhere. Probably come back to you. Okay. Okay. Who now who was our female?
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Lauren. Lauren?
[00:35:29] Unknown:
No. It's not. Hey, you sweetheart.
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Well,
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hi. Hi.
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I'm sorry? This is one of our first female lionesses, by the way. You've heard me speak about her. She lives down there in Southern Pennsylvania, and she is, named Lauren, and she is a stem winder. Aren't you?
[00:35:50] Unknown:
I don't know what that is, but, yeah, I'll go with it. Well, I had I had some information
[00:35:55] Unknown:
here for Michael. I I divorced the IRS, and I went through the procedure that Roger teaches you how to do about five years ago. And then about two years ago, I decided I wanted to open up a dividend reinvestment account with a company called Broadridge, and I did. And I gave them my Social Security number. And I got a message back that says, without a certified taxpayer identification number on file, internal revenue services re service regulations require us to withhold 24% of the proceeds from any dividend or sale of shares. K? I did give them my Social Security number. So, apparently, they tried to process that form and got the I got this message back that that that number is no longer a certified taxpayer identification number.
So they want me to fill out a w nine, and I wrote back to them and I said, no. I can't do that because I I don't choose to be a taxpayer. And you're withholding monies from me that you might be required to withhold from a taxpayer, but I'm not a taxpayer. So we're still going around and around with this. It's such a little bit of money that it's not a real pressing issue for me. So I haven't really pressed it, but, I will.
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So Lauren is playing cat, and this organization is the mouse.
[00:37:23] Unknown:
Yes. Yeah. I mean, I I understand hear your voice. They they well, thank you. Thank you. I understand. It's been a long time. Yeah. Been with us in Coon's age. I know. Well, I really don't have much to to add or to say, and there are other people here who need to learn what I already know. So but I just wanted to let my
[00:37:45] Unknown:
And in these here, now, I did one thing Lauren did for us was she spotted an article on Plessy versus Ferguson. There's a commemoration of it a few years back, and she spotted that. It gave us a bunch of insight into that we didn't have before. So thank you for that still. Okay? But for Michael and his wife's, situation here, when did you go through this? Like, it was more than five years ago, wouldn't it?
[00:38:12] Unknown:
Well, I filed all the paperwork about five years ago. And then when I retired and I start collecting my pension and my Social Security check, of course, they ask you, how much do you want us to be to withhold? And I said nothing, and nothing has ever been withheld for a go over four years now.
[00:38:33] Unknown:
That's what you know, when you learn this stuff and you're applying it and I understand why people are scared of the federal government. They they put that intimidation in you. But when you go forward and you get your act together a little bit, you get your arms around this like Lauren, you get a little bit aggressive with some of these people. And you go to some bureaucrat, and you you you want something done. And and they say, are you a citizen of The United States? And you say, no. I'm a national. Well, it's amazing. They go ahead and do what you wanted them to do.
[00:39:02] Unknown:
Mhmm. When I recently brief. No. When I recently renewed my driver's license, I was asked, are you a citizen of The United States? And I said no. They went on with everything because and I wasn't going to say, are you using that phrase geographically or politically? I thought, nah. I'm not gonna get into that because they don't know.
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I no. They don't said no
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because I'm not.
[00:39:29] Unknown:
So they and they still issued you the DL.
[00:39:32] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Yep. Okay. Yeah.
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Well, for some of the ladies here, Lauren Lauren is extremely aggressive in confrontation, k, with her retired military neighbor who tried to tell her she was a traitor one day or something years ago Mhmm. And all this. I mean, Lauren, she she just doesn't put up with any crap from anybody, girls and guys. No. No.
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I don't.
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For everybody who wanna introduce you to this new crew here, we've got some outstanding lion type a lionesses here. Okay?
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I got a question from Lauren.
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Okay. Alright. Good. Go ahead, please. Hey. It's Jack in Colorado.
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Just curious what you did, Warren. Did you do a revocation of election official letter with IRS or just,
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send them your affidavit and say I'm done paying? I don't think we were doing ROEs back then, were we, Lauren?
[00:40:33] Unknown:
I did. The first thing I did was the citizenship status verification through the state department. So once I had that done, then I could move forward to file a revocation of election. I got a package from Americans Bulletin, and it's no longer available on their site, but this was an exhaustive lots of material to send for a revocation of election. There were lots of, federal register citations in there, tons of law, and it was like, there's no way they can come back at any of this. I gave them ninety days to re to refute rebut any of my assertions, and no one did. And that package went to, I think it was nine different revenue agencies.
All of the revenue agencies in Pennsylvania, every federal reg revenue agency, and the Puerto Rico agency as well.
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So were you asking for money back to to get a refund for money you paid in?
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No. No. This was just purely a revocation of elections. Like, I'm Yeah. We're we're getting a divorce. Here's my stance. And if you wanna counter any of it, you have ninety days. And I never got anything back from anyone.
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Not not even a threat letter?
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No. No. Nothing. They were they weren't doing that back then, Jack. I mean, they've just started those things real recently. Let me say hello to Mark. He takes time out of his Las Vegas vacation. Just come join us. Hey, Mark. I think you're still here. Great. Yeah. Hey, buddy. Intention
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for a beautiful, sunny Las Vegas. Well, good. They do find it not be in Oklahoma. They're having all kinds of, rain and cold weather, and so it's a good time to get to hang.
[00:42:25] Unknown:
You're gonna get to hang with Casarab a little bit too,
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Yeah. I'm looking forward to that. I that was I didn't know about that till I heard it on the radio. So Yeah. There you go. March is down your snow.
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So you've been out there a couple of days. That's why you weren't with us last week?
[00:42:41] Unknown:
Yeah. Exactly. Wednesday was a travel day. And then I got here, and I got a head cold. I had some kind of a Oh, yeah. I can hear it. I can hear it. I guess reaction. So I got a head cold. I don't know. A man started it before I left, but it's hard to say. Everything's blooming in in, Oklahoma. Everything's turning green. Allergies are just crazy there. Right. By the way, Oklahoma is the fifth fifth worst state if you're an allergy sufferer. So it's, not good. But, anyway,
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oh, what was I gonna say? Oh. Well, I don't know. But I want you to meet I want you to meet Lauren. Lauren Mark is a paralegal for about twenty years that, discovered us a while back. So I think that was after you were hanging around. So, Mark, meet Lauren. Lauren, meet Mark. Hi, Mark. Hey, Lauren. Good good to, meet you.
[00:43:36] Unknown:
A lot of a lot of people have been around Rogers material for a long time. And, you know, once you once you wrap your head around it and it's so liberating and your your whole mindset mindset changes and you no longer you know, it's most everybody that doesn't file, you know, as a national, they don't file a tax return to IRS that first year or so. They're scared to death. Mhmm. And, like, we've been all brainwashed into, you know, hearing the stories. Usually, from the January 1 till April 15, they they send out propaganda on the news about all these tax protesters and people going to jail for tax avoidance and blah blah blah.
And it's just like clockwork once you once you become aware of it. Now we did have, one of Rogers' listeners, had had some blowback from the IRS when they filed their ten forty n r. But from what I can tell, they did it improperly. And they tried to get it with primo requirements.
[00:44:49] Unknown:
We weren't you we weren't doing this when well, we weren't doing this when you were around. And what happened was it came up on the air one day a couple years ago, and this is what John and Glenn founded the whole deal on was this revocation of election of being able to change your status and then go back and get if you've been filing your last three years back. And so, I was talking about it on the air here. It hit me one day. Well, I got the missing piece to that. What they didn't know is filing with the secretary of state or we we may live in a different country if that would have been the case back then.
K? So, I started talking about it on the air, and one of our listeners on his own, no help from me, didn't I didn't know he was doing it, did his, request for three years back and got back a substantial sum of currency. And, he came on and told us about that, and that's kind of what started the ball rolling on this again. He goes back a tiny stone.
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He's the only person I know of that got three years back. So I don't know yet. I'd like to see a couple more people get re re refunds for previous years. I know Dave and Kaye in Alabama are working on that. And, but what I was gonna say is we we did have a listener who filed a ten forty n r, and they got a frivolous filing penalty against them. And I directed them to, SEDM. It's Sovereign Education and Defense Ministry. They they got a sample letter from there that they purchased. They modified it to meet, you know, our wording as a national, sent it in, and boom, they they dropped all the referrals, silent penalties.
So the whole point is is that the nonresident alien, they really can't assess you any kind of penalty or fine. It just changes the ballgame all the way around. And that's really the only blowback that I've heard about that. And when I reviewed their tax form, they didn't fill it out properly.
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Wow. So
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I think that's much of interest as frivolous. Okay. But, Lauren, are you something you've paired up. Go ahead, Mark. Did they get the refund? I don't know. I didn't I didn't didn't really touch base with them to see. I think they had to refile. They filed an amended return, but they didn't they weren't assessed any fines or penalties. I mean, they got a letter saying that, they're gonna not charge the fee. They basically redacted it. That's correct. They they removed it. Yep. Interesting. Interesting. Under floor just getting heat from the state, does do you get heat from Pennsylvania state for not paying taxes?
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None at all. Interesting.
[00:47:58] Unknown:
Now we We are just getting around and around. We we do have an issue with the Oklahoma Tax Commission, and this might be the trial of but they're according to their definitions, if you have a permanent home in Oklahoma, then you're con you're considered a resident of Oklahoma. And so this person actually had filed their their ten forty n r, and they got a full refund of everything that was withheld. And they would file the their Oklahoma tax return according to their guidelines, and they won't process it. So they're staying in front of it. You can't have Well zero income. Well, it's it's zero well, let me back up and say it this way.
The first thing they ask on the five eleven tax form for Oklahoma residences, what is your adjusted gross income? Well, from the ten forty in our form, it's zero. I have zero income. Zero adjusted gross income. And so the Oklahoma Tax Commission is talking about the work. We've been going back and forth with them. This is, I don't wanna be real I don't wanna be real super specific, but I would just say that, I think I think this will be end up being a a challenge and a problem as the, you know, what what the outcome of this is. Now in my opinion, it would have been best if this person would have not if if they would have put in with their employer to exempt their paycheck from taxes, but then you wouldn't be battling them for any any taxes because they wouldn't be able to to grab a hold of.
But since they already had withholding, the state's not in a big hurry to solve this problem. To let it go. Solve the problem, that means they get a full refund.
[00:50:05] Unknown:
Right. Don't forget Michael Nail in Alabama is having problems over there too with the Alabama authorities going, we don't care if you're a resident or not. You know? And I said, well, it's not up to you. It's up to the legislature there, you greedy bastard. But everybody's scrambling for cash. Paul, I think you turned the volume down on our exit there. So I don't know where we are in, finishing the program. But, we're getting pretty close to the end, if not already. But, Lauren, what a joy to hear you again, and that was a nice email I received this morning. So thank you very much for jumping on. Please come join us more. We got a nice group around here. We got several real sharp gals from just below you there in Virginia. We had Nancy, and and Suzanne said something a minute ago.
And, we've got, Julie, and some of these real sharp lionesses are wonderful. Yes.
[00:51:00] Unknown:
Yes. I've mentioned Julie.
[00:51:03] Unknown:
I did mention Julie. Okay. Bye bye. See you, Lauren. Come back and visit.
[00:51:08] Unknown:
Alright. Bye bye. I will.
[00:51:10] Unknown:
Alright, sweetie. We love you. One of our early, early, little aggressive gals. Yes? Miss Michelle,
[00:51:17] Unknown:
I've been saving my tax receipts, and I've heard on your show I believe it was your show that some lady kept all her tax receipts, and at the end of the year, asked for a refund and received it. Am I hearing anybody else that's heard that?
[00:51:36] Unknown:
I don't think you heard that on our program. I don't remember hearing it.
[00:51:40] Unknown:
Uh-huh. I I don't remember really where I heard it, but Okay. I it's I'm saving my tax receipt. If for nothing else, the taxes I pay on food are really amazing and gas. It it really adds up. So I don't know if you're them and maybe I'll put them in. Well, if you were down here, you'd get that back,
[00:52:02] Unknown:
because we're on the VAT tax. And we 15% VAT tax, like, when you go out and eat a meal, 15%. Any money you spend is 15%. And if you're, a huberta, retirement age, you, and you're legal, like a legal resident, all of that 15% goes into an account and you get it back. Somebody somebody got back, like, $2,800, the other day in unusual circumstances, but others get back 800 to a thousand. So do you you wanna move to, Ecuador? You can do that down here.
[00:52:37] Unknown:
No. I I I wanna stay in America.
[00:52:41] Unknown:
Okay.
[00:52:43] Unknown:
So, anyway but, we need I'm saving mine.
[00:52:47] Unknown:
Okay. Well, that's alright. You can do that. So anybody else? Mark, really good to hear your voice, bud. I was a little concerned about you because I didn't know you were going out there. But, I'm glad to know you're safe. Yeah. Good to be here. Yeah. And, maybe you can go buy Binion's for John just to have a nice, good roll out of that place for John Benson. So who wants somebody else?
[00:53:17] Unknown:
Yeah. About anybody else? Horseshoe?
[00:53:20] Unknown:
Yeah. Binion's Horseshoe downtown. Excellent. But, well, all those places have great buffets, but that was the one John particularly liked. Yes. Who was the Roger there? Samuel.
[00:53:31] Unknown:
I just I just wanted to point out to people like Michael who are new to this is the diabolical nature of the fourteenth amendment. The the argument in Roe versus Wade is that you had to be born to have any rights. Oh, yeah. That was the main argument. And Oh, yeah. You know, what, 60,000,000 or so souls later, that's just diabolical.
[00:53:58] Unknown:
Yep. Yep. Especially when you go back to the old medical books, and they were very, very adamant that life began at conception. But the fourteenth amendment says otherwise, so there you go. As long as you're in mama's womb, you're fair game. K? Anybody else got something for me today? Michael, hope you and mama can get through that. If you got questions, come on back. Great to hear, Lauren. Good to know you're alright, Mark. And, good to get another Monday, session in the can. So we'll see what kind of hell breaks loose the rest of the day, and we'll talk about it, or maybe we'll have some new students. Larry, are did are you with us today? Did you ever get with William? I guess Larry's with us today.
Anyway, we didn't have any
[00:54:46] Unknown:
He reminded me. I sent him a message a while ago, and and he he responded.
[00:54:52] Unknown:
So Okay. Well, I've been working on it today, so I don't know if they're PO'd at me or what, but we'll see. If they are, I'm sorry for them. Okay. Well, I'm gonna check out unless somebody's got something for me. You guys have a great day, and, we'll see what tomorrow brings. So love each and every one of you. Ciao. This,
[00:55:17] Unknown:
Monday edition, loads of fun today on the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales. Get you here Monday through Saturday, 11AM to 1PM eastern, on eurofolk radio dot com and radio.globalvoiceradio.net. You can join us live on the show by using the free conference call links that are on our website, thematrixdocs.com. You can join us by dial up telephone, smartphone, tablet, or computer. It's all good, and there's room for plenty of you. Thanks for joining us today. We'll catch you right back here tomorrow for the Tuesday edition
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of the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales. And now Blasting the voice of freedom worldwide, you're listening to the Global Voice Radio Network.
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Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.
Introduction and Legal Case Discussion
Historical Context of Taxation in the US
The Role of the 16th and 17th Amendments
IRS and Tax System Critique
Understanding Tax Obligations and Status
Listener Questions and Experiences
Personal Experiences with IRS and Tax Status
Legal Strategies and Tax Filing
State Tax Issues and Listener Interactions
