EXCELLENT presentation on the 13th and 14th Amendments to set up the very system that has enslaved you your entire life.
In this engaging episode of the Radio Ranch, host Roger Sayles delves into the intricacies of political status and the historical context of the 13th and 14th Amendments. The discussion highlights the complexities of citizenship, the implications of the feudal system, and the significance of the term 'person' in legal contexts. Roger emphasizes the importance of understanding these concepts to reclaim individual rights and navigate the legal system effectively.
Listeners are treated to a deep dive into historical court cases, the impact of the Civil War, and the evolution of legal definitions that affect citizenship and personal rights. The episode also touches on the importance of education and empowerment in challenging the status quo, with Roger encouraging listeners to learn and apply this knowledge to achieve personal and collective freedom.
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to Who can stand? When souls of the oppressed fight in the troubled air that rages, who can stand? When the whirlwind of fury comes from the throne of God and the frowns of his continents drive the nations together, who can stand? When sin claps his broad wings over the bottle and sails rejoicing in a flood of death, when souls are torn to everlasting fire and fiends of hell rejoice upon the strain. Oh, who can stand? Oh, who has caused this?
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Oh, Okay. Whoever's got the mic over you. You hear me? You hear me? You hear me? You hear me? You hear me? You hear me? You hear me? Grabbers got the mic open. You're in there. You wanna do the show?
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Okay. I got there we go. I'm gonna take care of it right now. Okay.
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Alright. Give me one second. And All participants are muted, and they can unmute themselves.
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Now we have people wanna be free, and they can't even unmute and they can't even mute themselves.
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Well, you know, some of them, the the, they show up, like, during the intro and or, like, during the program. And when they drop in the room, they're automatically unmuted, sometimes. And that's that's particularly the way it is in the the Jitsi platform. Free conference call is usually locked up from the beginning. But Jitsi, they're, you know, mics show up. They're wide open.
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I didn't see anybody show up. I'm looking here at the participants here. So whatever it was, you know, we try to do the best we can here. Let's get started. Saturday, good morning, August 12 here on the old Radio Ranch, and, Roger Sales, your host here. Of course, we're broadcasting on a couple of different platforms, and I like to give Paul a little airtime here at the front, little pub, a little pub so you guys know who who's orchestrating all this. Any press you know, Paul, we used to say actually, it wasn't we. It was the, it was the Warner Brothers guys, if I remember right. Anyway, they, they said, any press is good press. So there there's your intro.
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Okay. Thank you. And, I'm not orchestrating anything. I'm just pushing buttons. And, we've got some other, we've got some other button pushers with us, moderating the rooms and things like that. We've got Mirka. Mhmm. We've got Monique in another room, usually, and we've got Andy and Lisa in the conference room. It is it is it's just this cohesive effort here. Everybody coming together, making this thing work. It's just the way cool.
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Well, it is a team. Well, it is a team. I've tried to
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Anthony, that's you echoing back to us. So, Anthony, he's probably showing up letting us know that we are on TikTok, the Anthony Berry 8625 channel on TikTok. And, he's, also, we could be on the seventeen seventy six ER Rumble channel. Of course, we're on eurofolkradio.com. That is the flagship station for the Radio Ranch, And there is a mirror stream on Spreaker, and you can get to that, by going to radio.globalvoiceradio.net. Those, two lengths Eurofolks and Global Voice Radio, those are also on expose the matrix, a website where you will find all kinds of correlated and associative information based on what we talk about here every day. Isn't that right, Rod?
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Pretty much, I think. So, we try and do our best, but for a cleansing whole operation, we don't have a great yes, sir?
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Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. I almost forgot. Homenetwork.tv and freedomnation.tv.
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Well, those aren't usually we're not usually on those on Saturday, are we? But maybe we are today. I don't know. I can't but it's, all I know is that I got this little little scam they've, developed here over a length of a long time. We got it dissected and analyzed, and we found the, remedy and the way out of their little maze. And it's mighty powerful, and a lot of people don't see it or wanna see it or can't see it. I don't know about that. I can't help that. Again,
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we've got the feds laying down, and we're still hacking away at the local fiefdoms, but we'll get there.
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Well, we'll get there. We'll know we're in tyranny and confront it, one of the two. And I I love to get these things down to an either or situation. It's either this or it's that. And that makes things so simplistic, doesn't it?
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Yeah. Not to not to, to add any, like, a racial bent into it. Dude, it's either black or white. It's either free Yeah. Yeah. Or you're a slave.
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Pretty much it. And, unfortunately, it's been pitted and set up and framed in this ethnic situation, and it's not, it's not that. It's a political situation. So, anyway, let's see. It's the Saturday show. Mentioned that already. We were going to start out and go over the thirteenth and fourteenth amendment. I was gonna do it primarily for the newer people. You guys some of you heard this before, obviously. But, it's important that that I think the new folks know that. So I was hoping that Ken and Demetrius would be with us. And are either one of you two, with us today?
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I am. This is Ken.
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Hey, Ken. Good morning. How are you? Getting up early early in California. Not too bad.
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Yeah. It's a good way to start the day.
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Yeah. It's a beautiful day in Ecuador today. We've had a little you know, it's been, very nice here. We've had a regular summer for a change. Last two years, there was a La Nina sitting offshore and totally screwed up the summer. We didn't even start summer till July a couple of years ago. And it's a distinct difference in seasons even though we're on the Equator, interestingly enough. And even though I'm South Of The Equator by a smidge, our our summer here mimics the Northern Hemisphere instead of the Southern Hemisphere, which I found quite interesting after being in Argentina. But, anyways, lovely day today here, and, we've had a nice summer. We've got a Wednesday. Was it day before yesterday? I didn't see the sun all day, which for the last couple of months has been unusual because we generally get sun most of the day in the afternoon. I'm gonna tell you, you get on the Equator and get sun all day long in the afternoon, man. It it gets real hot. Then temperature wise, it didn't feel like it, but good lord is it hot.
Big UV stuff here. So, anyway, nice day today in Ecuador. Ken, you you you haven't stumbled on to us too long, have you?
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I've been aware of you for about two weeks, but then just jumped on the show the first time that I was talking a couple of days ago.
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Yeah. Well, we're glad that you had found us and and took the initiative to join us. Okay? And,
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And I guess and I guess in addition to that, I really wanna thank, Daniel Mintz for, basically me introducing this because I think he does a great job in Southern California, both presenting your information and making it very acceptable, and palatable for for a lot of people to understand.
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That's good. You know, as I said, I as I was telling you the other day, it's just a well, it kinda shows you that it's got some kind of divine stuff here in what we're doing. And that is pretty well referenced, I think, by the fact that, you know, as I explained to you the other day when I went through the course, 300,000,000 plus, reduced down to $1,212,100 down to me. And if I wouldn't have carried this, and I think back, on it occasionally and almost shutter, really, that if it wouldn't have been, for the efforts and the way this grabbed me and the drive and motivation it's given me to look for answers, all this would have been lost.
Because certainly none of the other people out there know it, you know, that are teaching. You were you've been you were an Anavon. Right? I've been one to find somebody and say when when she instructs you to file paperwork and become a national first of all, she used to suggest you send it to the secretary of state of your state. I think keying in on the state citizen aspect of this and not knowing that the head say secretary of state is the guy. But what do they tell you when you file this and change status? Do they explain to you what it does for you?
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Essentially, they say the same basic things that you say. Okay? And so when I look at her process versus what you do here, there's fundamentally one difference, and that's that you get a note that you call for getting a notarized signature. So you get your own signature notarized on the statements that get sent. And so from my standpoint, what that does is that basically assigns that document a a creditor status. And so by doing that, you're providing a recognized bridge that they understand for traversing the land at the end of the world of commerce. What she does so so when you look at the paperwork and you just you distill it down to what it's saying, she uses a lot more words and she uses these things called deeds of reconveyance and orders of expatriation and all these other various things, but it essentially comes down to the same thing.
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Okay. Well, there's a big mistake on her part right there. You're not expatriating.
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Yeah. I I know. I know. But, I mean but when it when it comes when it comes down to the actual operative statements that carry the weight, I would say it's it's essentially the same thing. Now the the difference is what is it that creates the authority in her world versus what is it that creates the authority in in your world? And the difference there is that that she has avoided getting anything requiring anything to get notarized by the person requesting nationality. The only things that get notarized in the Ana process are what's called two witness testimonies, which is used as identification.
And what those are, they're basically two pieces of paper with your picture on it saying, I can born on you know, I'm the person who I say I am. And those documents get signed and notarized by two people who have known you for five, ten, fifteen years, some period of time. So those become your identification. But in nothing that I send to the secretary's secretary of state of The United States, secretary of state of, whatever state I'm living to, the secretary of state of my birth state, you know, IRS, blah blah blah, all the governors, all all that all the other folks. But those are the those are the primary people that get notified when I send this stuff out. Okay.
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Well, the secretary of state of your state, and we learned this kind of the hard way, just probing and and and the process aspect of this. The secretary of state of your state is now a political subdivision of the federal government. And mostly what they do, from what I can tell, is incorporate businesses and accept fees. Okay? So and the we this happened in Connecticut. You know, as I tell people, the way we get really definitive understanding and information is by pressing the envelope. K? And, we had a gal, Kaye, one of my original, students from years ago that, had personal stuff for a number of years, and and her and her husband came back around, and they had moved from California to Connecticut.
And, actually, Kaye is the one who brought us Joe. Joe was her grandson's guitar teacher. K? So you never know where this information goes. Right? But, anyway, Kaye was she's a real bulldog, and she, right at the start of COVID is when they started filing all this stuff. And I said, well, you you you don't have to, but you can file it at the property records office. And so the gals at the property records office where they live were not cooperating. First of all, she had to do it through email and phone, and the girl just said, no. We're not filing this. So I said, well, why don't you send it to the secretary of state? And the secretary of state would write back and say, do you have an account with us? Are you trying to open an account with us? Or we don't have you on record as a business, etcetera. And so finally, after a couple of those, said, well, realizing what the situation is, and I just said, let's take it over to the attorney general. He's the head law guy in the state. He can't say no. You know?
And the the process that we use is has been a development, really, and it's come from people trying things like Kaye that didn't work, and we step back and adjust our sights and point it in another direction. I'm pretty sure we got it right now. But you've got to, file it with the secretary of or the attorney general of your state. I you don't have to. But if you don't do that, you're not fulfilling the process and weaponizing your position. See, the way I see it when you file the affidavit with the secretary of state, what you're basically doing is leveling the playing field.
K? The playing field has not been leveled. I should drag out, since you're new, Ken, I should drag out John's old example here. Let's say the feds come to us, and they they challenge the patriots to a basketball game, winner take all. K? And so, the day comes, and the patriots are out there on the court, and they're in their little Nikes. And and they got their Air Jordans on, and they're throwing three pointers that never touch the metal, and they're doing layups and fancy passing and all that stuff and get warmed up. And then all of a sudden, the feds come out. But the feds don't have little Nikes on. They've got pads and long pants, and and they don't have Air Jordans on. They've got these black shoes on with this metal thing on the bottom, and they're carrying around this curved stick and throwing this little thing around at plus 100 miles an hour.
So, Ken, who you think is gonna win that game?
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Well, I would say, if it's a basketball game and they're playing by those rules, then the people who are set up to play that game, but it all depends upon what set of rules that game is set up to play.
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Well, you see, you hit the nail right on the head. We think we're playing basketball, and they're playing hockey. K? Yep. So that and that's what's going on, really. Okay? And so, if you wanna look at it in another way, the playing field has been shifted 45 degrees. We're trying to play uphill. Alright? And what you do when you file the affidavit is lower and level the playing field. Now, technically, what you're doing is moving back over under god's rights, god's protections, and you have got the duty. They hate the common law. They've always hated the common law because they can't beat it. Okay?
And so, when when you do that, you move over here, and it's just a whole different ballgame. As I was saying, that's one of the reasons Brent is on the show with me is because to my knowledge, he's probably the the number one expert in the country on the common law. That's what we're all moving back over under. I think we ought to maybe know something about it. You know? And so Yeah. That that that in the big picture, what we're doing is real simple. See? And I think that because people like Anna and David don't understand, again, the big piece that's missing for those folks is they don't know we're dealing with the feudal system.
And as my teacher, Glenn Ambor, still alive, says so accurately, if you don't know you're dealing with the feudal system here, you'll never do anything but shadowbox with it. K? And I hear this terminology, creditor, debtor, and living on the land and all that stuff, and it doesn't register with me, you know, because my way of looking at this is you're either free or you're a slave. Okay? I guess you could frame that in the debt or creditor thing. But isn't it simpler if you're trying to spread this and make it where people can understand it? Isn't it easier to say you're a slave or or free rather than are you a creditor or a debit? They don't understand that. You know? So my what I've strived to do here for a lot of years is to simplify this.
Because to me, the key is to be able to get something where we can get it out into mass numbers that people can understand so we can get numbers of educated people that can affect change. So to do that, it's gotta be simple. You know? The simpler it is, the more effective you're gonna be because of a well known principle called duplication, which is used all the time in an industry called network marketing. You gotta be able to duplicate that, duplicate yourself. And and that's kind of the way I've approached this to get it down to that simple formula. And it is really simple. You know? And now how they've done it is incredibly complex, and they had to do that to hide it.
One of the reasons I think they've gone to such lengths here is because this is their system. They built it. They've got to recognize it or, again, be open tyrants. K? So one of the reasons they've gone to the links here is because the remedy, a, is so damn simple, and, b, they've got to recognize it or they're open tyrants. And the effectiveness of it is, well, it's unarguable at this point, you know, twelve and a half years of teaching people this stuff, and and, never one time have we had any blowback from the feds that I've been informed of. Maybe some I don't know about, but I don't think so. But I've never been had one call from anybody who said this affected their life where they could even remotely attach whatever happened to them with filing this paperwork.
So it's very powerful, and what we've learned is they're scared as hell of this. You know? I can get on here and call them. I can tell them how much I hate them. I can I can I can bait them like they've been baiting Putin? Okay? And they won't put me on those hate lists. They won't even mention my name. K? Yeah. They're scared to death of this. Alright?
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The thing the thing I would say the the thing the thing I would say about what I've learned about Anna's process is that she's she's trying to go back to the the fundamental basis of how people, were would deal with, incoming incoming people, people people who wanted to patriot into The United States. And so she goes back to the very early paperwork of that. And she used that as the vehicle to basically extract out of the US citizen and back into what she calls an American state national, but basically a national of how however you wanna call it. And so Well the the the fact the fact that she has a little bit more her paperwork process has a very simple version, like a one page version, and a more complicated version. So I'm not I'm not trying to say that that she is only dealing with a creditor debtor thing or that she's whatever.
I'm not trying to put her in a box for how what she's using for the justification of her platform. The justification of the platform, the definition of the platform that she tries to move people into is fundamentally the same thing that you have here. Okay? But she uses a different mechanism. You use a a notary, She she uses her own private recording system to basically put the documents into the public, but it puts it in the public through a private vehicle versus using their vehicle.
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So Well, you see here That's Okay. Let's address this because it's important. She uses American State National. Right? And straight used State National and other people use variations. Right? Correct. Yeah. Okay. So, Ken, will you please go back through the statutes and regulations and find any place that this is referenced as an American State National?
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I don't think there's any place where it is referenced as an American state national. That's my that's exactly my point.
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Yeah. Okay? Yeah. See, knowing they've gone to great lengths to do this and hide it. Okay? So now that we know what they've done and now what we know what those words mean, using their exact words with the definitions that they've recognized because they put them in there is the key to the matrix. Using all these other terms and stuff, you can't find it anywhere.
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I agree.
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I agree. Okay. I do not agree. So that that's the key to this whole thing is using their words that they've contrived to set this up because they can't argue with it. Yeah. They can argue with oh, state national, American state national. They can argue with that and ignore you all day long till the cows come home, but they can't ignore this when it's their own stuff. And using their laws, their regulations, their rules, their history, their court cases is puts them right square in the corner. They can't do anything but recognize it or be open tyrants. And these guys will never be open tyrants because they know history a whole lot better than we do, and they know where that ends up.
K? Who said, hey, Roger, there a minute ago? That was me. It's Joe. Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe. Hey.
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So I'll say something about the paperwork that they do, right, that Antivan Rights Group does. When I went to court, they had all this paperwork. It's very uniform. It's it's it's the same person to person. Right? And so they actually got me confused with somebody else who must have submitted paperwork in because they handed it to me and they said, Is this yours? And I looked at it and I I had no idea what it was. And but I I did recognize some of the things that was being read. And as soon as I was like, I've never seen this before, they they snatched it out of my hand really fast. Right?
And, because I think what happened was that they have a way to handle these guys because of the uniform paperwork. But, see, the way the way we're doing it here with you, everyone does it on an individual basis, and they do it their own way. So, like, my affidavit is different than, you know, maybe, you know, Anthony's or or Paul's or, you know, sketches or, you know, miracles. Everyone's is different. Right? And it's because we all wrote it based off of the same principle, but from our own viewpoint. And I think that's what really got the judge and the the court clerk really confused because they didn't know how to address it because I'm standing out as an individual man rather than as part of a group, that may be just conforming to certain rules under that group. I don't really know what they do, but I noticed that they had a difficult time with me. I think it was because of that, the ununiform paperwork.
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Well, one of the excuses they can always drag out is we don't accept form letters, but they send out form letters. Okay?
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They get they Roger, they get the paperwork done for them, the students that learn with PS and
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here you know, Ken, it's like my my reason for not charging people for this is because if somebody pays you, then in their mind, they've paid and they sign a piece of paper and they go on about their life. Right? Well, in that instance, nothing changes because the world doesn't change. Alright? We've got to be the change. We've got to initiate the change. That's why I stress understanding the information and learning it so much. That's where the change is. That's where the change is gonna be in you, and that's where the change is. If we can affect change on any kind of scale, that is gonna be from people understanding the information and becoming empowered and becoming a strong empowered group of independent, free people.
K? And and that's my complaint with with people that pay to do this is the minute you pay somebody, well, I'm not gonna go study all that. Hell, I'd rather do this or do that or something else. Okay? So to me, it's the education part of this, and I've learned this the hard way, alright, personally, through my own growth. And then what happened was I got on the air finally and started teaching people. And then I started seeing people pop up like Daryl. Daryl and Brian Howard, who doesn't come around too much anymore at all, and some of these other folks. And when I saw them become empowered, I could recognize it in me.
K? And and and so
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I think that's true with everybody in this entire community. And so, I mean, first off, Anna doesn't charge for her stuff. She there's a small recording fee, but she doesn't really charge for the paperwork. You know, she's trying to run a large organization, on 50 states. So there there are server costs, and there there are costs going along with it. But when you when you consider all of it, it's pretty darn nominal. And Yeah. I think that the retention numbers that that she has within her organization, they all basically I mean, you you bring in a 100 people, there's probably only gonna be five or 10 that really step up to be a leadership role and really take the initiative to go do it. I mean, that that's just that's just law of averages.
And a lot of people hear it for a few times and they walk out, a certain bunch of people stick with it. And what where where I see that things get a little bit rough is that, very few people in the assemblies know how to teach. They they do a great job repeating the same story again and again and again, but designing the information as a nice seamless easy progression of a curriculum is a big hole. And and I would say from my standpoint, in terms of understanding how organizations work, not just Anavon Reitz or anybody else, when you set your organization up to be a teaching and a learning organization, people stay.
When it becomes stagnant and gets lost in a bureaucracy, people leave. Yep. That's Or the confusion.
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And and, you know, my advantage here, as I've said many times, was that John w Benson was my law teacher. K? And and John studied law his whole life on because he liked it. You know? And he didn't study it in law school where they've been controlling the curriculum for at least a hundred years. K? And he he studied it on his own, and he was particularly enamored with old law, old English law. And in all honesty, he lived his life in the 15 fourteen, fifteen hundreds. He was a renaissance man. Okay? Everything him and Glenn did was all futile influences and all that old law and all this stuff. He he lived it, man. Okay? Let me give you an example.
You you you you know, how how much time have you spent with them over there in this? You've been in this, what, couple years?
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With Annas, with with the assemblies. Yeah. I got in I got started in May 2020. So three years, but I've known about her. Couple years. Probably about that.
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Okay. Well, does she teach in there the legal meaning of the word person?
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Oh, got you. Thousand times a day.
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Yeah. What does she teach?
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Same thing. Corporation. You know, any any type of any type of entity, you know, generally a dead dead corpus. I mean, all all the same. I mean, it you can read it. I mean, she's got, like, 6,500 articles, and Right. Say 10% of those all thought repeat the same definition of person.
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Right. Which is a a corporate, boy. That's this is my litmus test question for patriots. I've been asking it all many years. Okay? And I've never had a correct answer from anybody in The US. And the only answer that I got that was correct was from my attorney in Argentina, which tells me they're teaching real law down there. K? So, the overriding answer is a corporate fiction.
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Yeah.
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And that's partially correct, but it's not correct. K? And this is the kind of stuff that John taught us. And when you learn this, then everything is clear cut. Okay? Here's the formula that rules the world, Ken, and others. Did Demetrius ever show up today? Demetrius with us yet, or is he playing hooky today? Okay. So the formula that runs the world is real simple. R plus d equals r. R plus d equals r. Pretty simple. Right? It's a hell of a lot simpler than e equals m c square. Alright? And what that formula stands for is rights plus duties equal remedies, and that formula covers every body of law in the world.
And the way that it does that is this word person. A person is an entity, keyword, entity, to whom the law ascribes rights and duties. An entity to whom the law ascribes rights and duties. Entity can be a lot of things. It can be a corporation, which it is. It can be a partnership, which it is. It can be a trust, which it is. Or it can be a human person, which is always, without exception in the law, labeled an individual. And the question is, from where do you get your rights and to whom you owe your duties? And so all persons born, fourteenth amendment.
What type of person is that? That's a federal citizen who receives civil rights from the federal government and owes the federal government the duties. So it's not are you a person, it's which person are you. Oh, well, no, your honor. I'm sorry. I put my affidavit into the secretary of state. I'm no longer a citizen of The United States. So I I I get no civil rights from the United States federal government. Therefore, I owe no correlative duties like income tax. Let me tell you this story. Years ago when I was in Atlanta early in this, we had a guy there named Charlie Gray who had a pretty thriving antiques business. You know, there are a lot of antiques in Atlanta and the South.
He had a big antiques business, and, he ran afoul of the IRS. He was a John Nelson student. You haven't heard that name, have you? John Nelson?
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Not John Nelson. No.
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Exceptionally proficient legal researcher. He's got a low profile now. He lives out in Colorado, and they murdered his sister and put a hit out on him evidently. And, he went underground, but he had a lot of impact twenty, twenty five years ago, thirty years ago. K? So Charlie was a John Nelson student. John Nelson was a great researcher. He couldn't teach he couldn't teach somebody how to wipe their butt. He was a terrible teacher. K? But, boy, he had great information. So Charlie was one of his students, and he got cross with the IRS, and he decided to do everything pro se. And he did a damn good job. K. Really did.
It's difficult to go into court for us folks in our school and trained in procedure. K? And so it's threatening too if you've never been there. So Charlie goes to district court against the IRS failure to file, and he did a very, very good job of subpoenaing witnesses. And he subpoenaed a couple of district court judges, actually. Got him on the stand. Okay? And, one of the district court judges, they were Jewish, and, you know, in in open court, I mean, people, jury, the whole nine yards, federal court, Illinois. And, he starts asking the judge. He said, did you take a cold knee injury oath last year?
Do you know about the cold knee injury?
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No.
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You ever heard of a, Jewish holiday called the day of atonement?
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Sure.
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Well, there's two. Yom Kippur and the day of atonement. Okay. Rosh Hashanah, I think they call it. That is on an annual basis where they go into the synagogue and they take an oath that they can lie, cheat, and steal for the next year without impunity, basically. Now before the sixteen hundreds, they would go into the synagogue and take an oath to forgive them of all the lying and cheating and stealing they'd done the previous year. But around that time, around sabotage v, they switched it to the upcoming year. So, basically, they're like James Bond. They got a license to steal. Okay? That's the Cole Nedre of. You can go look it up. So, anyway but one of the people that he, subpoenaed and got on the stand was the, district director of the IRS.
And so I was in the courtroom that day. K? And, here's little old diminutive Charlie. He's about five foot four. You know? Not nothing exemplary about Charlie. He's over there at the defense table. He's got the IRS district director on the stand, and he's asking him some questions. And the district director had some of those little half glasses on. You know, those reading glasses where somebody can tilt their head down and look over their glasses at you real stern like. You know what I'm talking about? And so he asked that guy a question, and he pulls out the three sections that the IRS always dings on is six zero zero one, six zero one one, and six zero one two regulations.
And so he pulls out the the regulation, and he starts reading it to Charlie in open court. And he it's a any person who and he reads it, and he looks over his glasses, and he turns his head down. He goes, you look like a person to me. Which one? And you could have heard a pin drop in that courtroom. And I maintain that that was when the jury convicted Charlie Gray, and they did. And he had to spend a year and a half in club fed down there in Atlanta where, Al Capone stayed. So this term person's real important, and I'm gonna tell you nobody in our movement understands it. And one of the reasons is because we can prove that they've been controlling the curriculum in law schools for a hundred years. And therefore, if they control the law schools, they control the curriculum, don't they?
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That dictates So what I like the word. Yeah. All that. Yeah. You can see it with Westlaw and the changes in blacks and all that kind of stuff. So I liken these guys to those scouts out in the Old West that were the real, real good scouts. And they'd sneak up the hill, look over the hill, and see customers forces down there. And then they turn around with a switch and back out and brush out their footprints. That's what these guys do. So another example of that is, John called up the dean of one of the law schools there in Utah. He was a devout Mormon. Called up the dean of one of the law schools one day and got him on the phone and said, well, I'm thinking about coming back to law school. Dean goes, well, man, we welcome you with open arms. Love to have you. And they get in a conversation, and John goes, I'm particularly interested in the word person.
And the dean goes, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We teach that. We teach it in a course called jurisprudence. It's an elective, and when enough people sign up for it, we teach it. And John astutely asked, when was the last time you taught it? Six years ago. So six graduating classes graduated from his law school, and they were never exposed to the meaning of the word person. That's why when you go out and present this stuff to lawyers, they don't know it. They were never taught it. They weren't exposed to it. That's why this old information is so critical. They've gone to great lengths to keep this out of our hands. Okay?
And when you learn that and learn the the formula and see how it interacts and did you receive your rights to whom you owe your duties? And then there's that other little word that's real important. It must be important. One word is equal to both of the other words on the other side of the equation, remedy. You hear a lot of people in our movement talk about rights. Most of them call them constitutional rights, which is inaccurate because, well, it's not inaccurate. It's just off point because the only rights the document gives you is civil rights under the fourteenth amendment. All the rest of the document is protection for people with god given rights.
K? So, you you get into this in-depth and you learn some of these accurate legal theories that have been around since Gaius, by the way, the accurate legal theories that have been around since Gaius, by the way. The guy that's accredited with inventing the law was a Roman named Gaius, g a I u s. He wrote a group of books called Gaius' Institutes. They're foundational. The whole first part of Gaius' Institutes is on the word person. Think it might be important?
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I I I look at what what Anna does and what basically all teachers do is everybody's kinda got an anchor point. And that that anchor point is the thing that that people said, oh my god. This is this is the holy grail. This is the thing that I really gotta elucidate here. And in in many regards, they're all right. Every single one of them is right even if you have a different anchor point. Right. Yes. And so what I'm I'm not gonna I'm not here to, you know, cast anybody to be a 100% correct and anybody else to be a 100% wrong. I'm gonna say there there's certain there's kind of greater levels of, functionality in what you're doing. You know, the process you have is is very straightforward. It's very simple.
It's it's kind of it's very unrebuttable because you're using all of the common technologies, words, and techniques that they're using. Alright? I get that. That's right. And so from from the individual or from the man or the woman coming in and saying, I wanna be protected. I wanna be truthful, within my own status. This is an amazing process to go. Let's be clear that Anna's focus, her her final goal is to reseat the counties, reseat the state, reseat all of the structure that she calls Federation of States, the Confederation of States, the Union of States, all these different things. She's got a whole understanding of how do we bring back the land jurisdiction on a massive scale.
That's her goal. And and this other thing of getting people papered up is just step one of, like, a 15 step process. And so what I'm what I'm looking at is saying the people that she that she's looking to bring into the organization are all of the people that wanna start filling and and seeding their county with their offices and their states with their offices. And so I look at it, and my my purpose when I came in, the first thing that I saw within her organization was where is she talking talking to all of the other truth leaders out in the world? Is she talking to all these other people that could at least understand what she's talking about and get the word out? And I would say that to everybody. So if we if we have 15 or 20 truth leaders out there, how come we don't have a truth leader conference that gets everybody together and says, look. Can we all agree on, let's say, five things that this world really needs?
And let's take our own particular acts out of the game and say, let's just focus on these five things. Because guess what? That's leverage to win in the big scale. Everybody can have their own technology
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with us. Have you ever tried to get any of these people in the same room? It turns into a hair pulling contest.
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Oh, I know. It's a it's a ridiculous it's a ridiculous issue. I've been my role in the assembly was ombudsman. I'm there to resolve conflicts. I'm trying to be able to to listen to people having differing sides, and I have to say, okay. What's the common theme that nobody can disagree with? And we'll start there and work down. And, you know, it turn I got I get frustrated with it. I just say, man, this is ridiculous.
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Bitch. Well, that's my point. I'm not this manna or trade. Okay? I'd like to think I'm a guy, a half a half glass half full guy. Okay? And I'd like to think that they're doing the best they can with what they've got to work with. And I'd like to think that there's no charlatans out there that are proffering this type of information. They're just trying to be what we call pay PAY credits. Okay? And there's been a bunch of them in this movement. Alright? So all I know to do is to go in there and teach what I know is true, this information that I was privy to because of my teacher that virtually nobody else knows.
Our enemies know it real well. Our people don't. Okay? And I don't see this as a group effort. She's using groups to try and accomplish a goal. I know how groups are. And you're always gonna have dissension and disagreements in there unless everybody's on the exact same page. K? And that's why we go back and teach these basics to individuals, hopefully, to get enough strong individuals to where we can pull that off, but without the dissension. K. So I have a different approach, different idea, different information, and all that kind of stuff. And the one thing that I do know is I know this is gospel.
I know it. Okay? Roger. I've seen react to it. Okay? I've seen them put my teachers in federal prison for fifteen and a half years on a bunch of trumped up bullshit just to get this information off the street. Samuel, what you got?
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Yep. And, I think I think one of one of the main things that's in the way of all of this is is, Roosevelt's emergency powers, which have never gone away. And those were really conjured up by the bank. The bank was stealing all the gold and couldn't support, the currency with it and wanted to blame it on the American people, so they stole all their gold instead. So that's the problem. That's the bottom line.
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They they didn't do this for the gold. The gold was just involved in the big plan. K? So Well, they were They don't focus on on it. They were embezzling the gold on the system
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is what I'm saying.
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They they they were embezzling. They couldn't support the system that they had built because they had been dazzled in a way. So then they blamed the people for it and stole their gold, and and they were emerging.
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And they totally planned that. They knew what they were gonna do, or else they wouldn't have set the fourteenth amendment up. And that's what I really wanted to cover today, but I'm off on this conversation with Ken. All of our courts are still
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in martial rule. That's why when you go to a traffic court, stare to cc's are nothing like that means anything. Special appearance doesn't mean anything. You're in a martial rule court. That thing is under martial law,
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basically. You're under you're under emergency rule, and that's why you'll get into a courtroom occasionally and bring up the constitution. And the judge will say, don't bring that document up in this courtroom. And the patriot stands there just bedazzled. What do you mean? K. Well, you're under the constitution alright, but you're not under the whole constitution. You're under the thirteenth and the fourteenth amendment.
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Rules of necessity.
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So, so anyway, Ken, I bet I I since, you've been sent to us, you're a sharp guy, obviously, and, you know, you've got a lot of skills and stuff from the little bit we know about you. And and, with people like that, I I'll I'll take the extra time with you. Okay? Because I see potential there. And I don't know what you're gonna do with this information. Hell, John and Glenn didn't know what I was gonna do with it. You know? All I know is to put the information, infuse it into people, and let the information motivate and guide them. K?
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Roger, just wanted to let you know that Bama's on the call too.
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Okay. Good. So And I'm not trying to exclude Bama. Okay? So, what, what I really want to do is go back over the history of this and show you how preplanned it is, Ken. Okay? Absolutely. But first, let's go back to what hooked me originally with this in those seminars is Revelation 18. Alright? Revelation 18 is an incredibly important verse. It's a series of verses, obviously. And it starts out, of course, written by, the chairman of the jury as Brit calls him John, the only one that wasn't murdered that died in chains in Patmos in a slave mine. Okay? And he wrote Revelation.
And, Revelation is very revealing, obviously, but this particular set of verses in 18 to me is even more so than it may be to you by the time we get finished. So I'm not sure how familiar you are with that, but it starts out Babylon, oh, Babylon The Great has fallen in an hour, and the merchants of the world wail, for they can no longer sell their merchandise. You familiar with that?
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Yes.
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Okay. Right underneath that, it says come out of her, my people. Come out of her. That repeats it twice. Not very many times. I'm not the great bible scholar. Okay? But there's not too many times that I can remember here in the Bible where it repeats something twice, and I gotta figure that's for emphasis. Okay? So come out of her, my people. Come out of her. Now underneath that verse, the there's a couple of verses I call the remedy verses. Back to this little remedy thing on the other side of the equation. And it says, fill her cup double what she serve you. Fill serve her double what she serve you. It's kinda repetitive right there. Well, I had somebody say, well, that's god telling you what to do. What it it doesn't say I'm going to fill her cup double.
It says fill her cup double, and right above that, this says come out of her. Well, I think that we are the remnant and that we're supposed to come out of her. Okay? And I believe those remedy verses are to be executed by the rim by the remnant. There's certainly god's not gonna do it. He doesn't say he's gonna do it in there. He says you do it. Okay? Now down if you go down a little bit, there's a a list of about 21 items, 22 maybe, of the items that the merchants are wailing about because they can no longer sell them. Alright? And it says your gold, your silver, your frankincense, your myrrh, your ivory, your this, your that. Long list of items.
And at the very last one, it says, and bodies and souls of men.
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Mhmm.
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So I dare say in advance the fact that they can't buy and sell you if they don't own you. Mhmm. So this is predicted in Revelation. It does not say except for The United States Of America. Didn't say that. It just says bodies and souls of men. So what we're dealing with here, at least in my mind, is the beast system of revelation. Now to buttress that, there's an article. It's on the website there. Happened right at the first COVID. I don't know if you heard about it or not. It's over in England. And, a mother had the baby, and they're checking the new babies for COVID, ridiculous as it sounds.
And they're using the PCR test where they jam that long, Q tip up the nose, and the baby starts squalling. And the mother's right there. Doesn't have a birth certificate yet. It just got born. Okay? And the mother objects because the baby is is discomforting discomforted by this thing. And the nurse the nurse turns to the mother and says, you can't object. This baby's our property. So there's the same thing. Right? Birth, property. Well, this is the b system revelation. This is where it all is. K? Assigning a political status determined on where you're born, not who your parents were, and bringing in underneath it because of that element, the feudal system where you're their property.
This is a worldwide system. You know, a couple of years ago when Obama was in and he went over to Paris to sign the Paris Peace Accords, the one that Trump yanked us out of immediately, and, at the last minute on that conference, they added two different things to the accord they were signing. One of them, everybody born in the world has a birth certificate, and everybody born in the world has an ID tied to that birth certificate. This is the b system revelation we're dealing with here. Yeah. They've been planning this a long time. Long time. K?
You go back to civil war days. What led up to it? And, you know, we talked about it a bit yesterday. It's what kinda led into this conversation today. And, there was all kinds of dissensions in the country, and it was exacerbated by, let's call it, the Jeffersonian South versus the Lincolnian North. Good way to frame it. K? So Jefferson was more on constitution and and all those things, and it was, if you go back and look at the economics of the day, it's fascinating. Every Southern state had more per income capita per income than any northern state. The richest states in the country were the Southern states.
Interestingly enough, number one switched back and forth between South Carolina and Mississippi. Mississippi, who's perennially at the bottom of every list you look at now. K? Yeah. Mississippi was highest per capita income in the country. Alright? At the Delta. So they use well, yeah. They did. They had the Mississippi River and the cotton growing. But, Well, the rich land. The rich land. Yeah. The rich land and and a way to get it and a crop that everybody wanted and a cash crop and all that stuff. And, of course, there there's where the necessity for slave labor came from, really. So, anyway, it was the tariff difference, as we mentioned yesterday, that they used even though they covered it with the with the slave thing. It was underneath the tariffs and the friction exacerbated by the use of them that pitted these two against each other.
Just like where in 2014, we went in and did an overthrow in the Ukraine, the Maidan. And then for the last however many years, the Ukrainians have been shelling the Donbas and the other areas in Crimea there. You know, they killed 15,000 Crimeans over a period of eight years or so before they then Russia did a referendum. They voted 98% to be Russian just like Austria voted to be German under Hitler. And so then the Ukrainians start shelling them, long distance artillery, and they they've killed an estimated 15,000 people. Just artillery shells dropping in your town.
And finally, Putin moves in. Well, then they go, oh, the evil Putin invaded Ukraine. Well, this is just exactly like setting up the civil war with the tariffs. But I maintain now that we know the endgame that we can look back and see that these this was premeditated all the way back to those days. And as I started thinking about it, and I've only recently come to this conclusion, fairly recently, last few years, just because all I'd I'm totally immersed in this. When I'm not with you guys and I'm out eating lunch or doing something, I sit there many times alone, and this is what I think about.
And I go into all these situations like, what didn't I see before? What could I see better? How could this affect something else that I hadn't noticed? And I'm constantly probing this in my mind. K? I mean, it's I live with this. K? And so it hit me, and I started looking at because we talk about the fourteenth amendment all the time, but we don't talk about the thirteenth amendment too much. You know? And the thirteenth amendment was existing one? No. Not the original. The the one that they've got in there now. Okay. K. So they got rid of the, original one and brought in this one and called it the same number. Okay? I I we don't get off into that too much. Alright?
So, anyway and the new one and if you may not know the history, I didn't. After the civil war, they let the southern legislators back into congress to vote on the thirteenth amendment. Now isn't that interesting? So here they fought a war over all these differences, but they let the legislators in from the thirteenth amendment. Now that was in June 1868. In December by December, when they voted on the fourteenth amendment, they went back and kicked all the Southern states out of the union. Here's these guys who fought a whole war, 600,000 people died or whatever, to try and remove themselves from the union, and they lose, and then the union kicks them out until they ratified the fourteenth amendment.
And if they didn't ratify the fourteenth amendment, they sent scallywags and all the all the the army and stuff down there, and they'd go into the state and they'd replace the legislature with all these new freed blacks and and and and what did they, There was a name for those people that come down. I can't remember it right now. Anyway, they'd fill up the legislature with those people, and they'd burn the law libraries.
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So they brought in a wholly whole different led legislature, but from the, what, from the preexisting states.
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It was different people. Well, if it was if the state back to a state, not the state. If a state would not ratify the fourteenth amendment, they'd replace the legislature, and they would burn the law libraries. Okay? They just kept the jail. And they wouldn't let him back in until they ratify the fourteenth amendment. Well, that that's kinda interesting, isn't it? Kinda unusual. By the way, do you know that The US is the only country in history that ever fought a war to end slavery? No. I didn't know that. Now isn't that unusual?
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And the reason is federal government distributing was the federal government distributing money to the states at that time? So so I don't know. I I don't know a lot of
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I I I doubt it. Well, probably to maybe to the Northern states, and I don't know. It's not really super relevant to what the point I'm trying to make here. But the, the fact is the reason that stands out in history is because they didn't fight a war to end slavery. They fought a war to get a system in place where they could enslave everybody. The dialectic principle here is really important to understand and to incorporate in all your thinking because you can always find the answer in the dialectic because their whole deal is based on dialectics. Just the foundation of everything they do. K?
So the thirteenth amendment says neither I'm gonna paraphrase it here. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude shall exist in the states unless a person has been duly convicted of a crime. And then it says couple other things, and it says in their jurisdictions. Their. So theirs, plural. Federal government, singular. So, obviously, it's referring to the states. This is the setup. These guys never do these things they're accomplishing are so big, they can't do it in one step. They've gotta use gradualism, and they've gotta use, in this case, about four steps, maybe five.
Usually, they cock the trigger and pull cock the hammer and pull the trigger, basically. K? So this is the cocking of the trigger. And what keys you into it, if you understand what's going on, is the word there. Because when you look in the fourteenth amendment and it says, all persons born or naturalized in The United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof. That's singular. So there's the plural, and there's the singular. What's going on here? We gotta think like our enemies. Well, we we gotta think like our enemies a little bit. What what were they really trying to accomplish? Their end game was to get everybody in the country into the federal status.
Because now they're slaves, and they can pull all their funny stuff off. They got the credit spout so they can leaven leaven the Pharisees so they can leaven up a whole international monetary system off that credit spout. And when they got you in their jurisdiction, they can also build an administrative state of unelected bureaucrats to make man made laws to govern you. Those are the two big objects that I see that they were trying to accomplish. That's the reason they use the feudal system because they get a property right in you and they can do these things. K?
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The one thing I'm missing is that that you have to realize is that, when Lincoln did the executive order to reconvene congress, he didn't, obviously, as you know, he couldn't couldn't do that as a as a dessert dessert officer of of United States. And so at the same time, there was a name change so that The United States became basically municipal corporation. And at that point, they they had to declare that martial law. No. Hold on, Samuel.
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Please.
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They had they had the 100% ability to do everything because no number one, nobody objected. And the second thing is is the implied consent was never butted.
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Well, they they do everything on presumption, and that's why what we do works is because we rebut the presumption before they get started. Okay. Let's address this corporate issue. The the the federal government wasn't incorporated until 1871. We're talking about 1868 here. K? And according to Larry b Craft's research, and Larry b Craft may have his faults, but he's a hell of a good legal researcher. K? And according to Larry Beecraft's research, they unincorporated it in 1874. Alright? But even before the incorporation, the fourteenth amendment says subject to the jurisdiction thereof.
Singular. So there was a singular power there before an incorporation. K? So let's look at the two ways that what they were trying to accomplish. Their goal was to turn all these people with god given rights that were state citizens into federal citizens eventually. That's why the thirteenth amendment is so critical in that word there. That's the big net that they were going to eventually cast over the states and trick your ass into being a federal citizen. Now look at the fourteenth amendment. It says, all persons born or naturalized in The United States, comma, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, comma, are citizens of The United States and the state wherein they reside.
Notice the fourteenth amendment does not say all persons born or naturalized in The United States, comma, are subject to the jurisdiction thereof, does it? It says and. If there are people that are and subject, there are people that are and not subject to the dialectic again, aren't there? Okay. There are I've I've I forget what's eight or nine. There's at least eight legal landmines in that sentence. At least eight. Person, born, naturalized, United States, and subject, jurisdiction, citizen of The United States, state wherein they reside. Every one of those is a legal landmine. Now notice when you analyze it, I'm I don't know how familiar you are with law. K? You can or other people listening, Bama, or whoever.
But if you go in and you study law, many times you'll see when they're trying to reach a conclusion, they'll go, well, there's a two part or three part or four part test. If you meet this and this and this and that, then this applies. They call them tests in law. Okay? So the fourteenth amendment, when you really look at it and analyze it, is a two part legal test. First part is you gotta be born or naturalized in The United States, and the second part is you gotta be and subject to the jurisdiction thereof. Right?
Yeah. Okay. So if you're both of those things, then it tells you you're a citizen of The United States and the state wherein you reside. Right? Well, there's the two questions. Are you a citizen of The United States or are you a resident? They're right there in the fourteenth amendment. And if you're those, then you're subject to the jurisdiction thereof, and you meet both tests of the fourteenth amendment. And, hey, guess what? You're a federal slave. Right? Exactly. How do you rebut out? Which is who asked me what you're doing. So how did they know they were gonna start asking you those questions in the next century?
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They deal with a hundred year plan.
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They knew this going in. It was totally set up, but you can't identify that unless you know the endgame. Now that we know the endgame and how it's set up and operates, well, there's the two questions. They had the two questions in the legislation in 1868. Yeah. Yeah.
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I think, I would surmise is that they basically devised this whole plan after after Jackson. They looked at it Probably. Cannot we cannot do it with a head on approach. We have to be able to find another way that cannot be defeated because people will not see it coming.
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I I look at it exactly like that in that same time frame and them going back to the drawing board because you know the Supreme Court ruled against Jackson there. Did you know that? Yeah. Jackson vetoed the second bank. Bankers got it to the Supreme Court, and they ruled against president Jackson on that. And he said, let them enforce it. And so we go then. Guess what else happened right around that time frame, Ken? I know you don't know. I'm just playing. I like to ask questions. Okay? The other really key thing that happened in 1837, the Rothschilds established reform Judaism.
How did that affect The US, though? I mean, I can see that definitely impact Europe. But it gave them the setup to get together for all these Talmudists and set up the immigration, that went on later and all of that kind of stuff. But that's real key. Don't forget in the previous century on March 05/01/1776, they established the Illuminati. K? Yeah. And Yeah. Whether they had this plan scoped out at that point, I don't know. K? We'll never know, obviously. But as you can see the progress of events, and they get rid of the first bank, and then they get rid of the second bank. And these guys go back and say, we're gonna set up a system that's gonna enslave these sorry bastards, and they ain't even gonna have a chance of understanding what's going on.
There was some letters. There was a Rothschild single. He died young in his twenties. He was from France, I believe. He's one of the Rothschilds, and he was over here on a tour of North America. And some of his letters are in the National Archives. And in one of his letters, he makes this statement. Judah p Benjamin has to be the most brilliant mind on the continent. Isn't that an interesting statement? Wow. You know who Judah p Benjamin was?
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You've mentioned him a couple times, and I I wasn't really aware of him before, I heard the name He was hang it up.
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Well, he was a Jew. He lived in Louisiana. He was a plantation owner, and he married a slave girl. The generals of the South called him Jefferson Davis' pet Jew. There's some insinuation there may have been some homosexuality involved there. Whether that's true or not, I don't know. I've just heard it. Okay? But he had Jefferson Davis' ear, and the Southern generals hated him. He was the one in the very first battle of the Civil War, Manassas, when the North didn't have a force yet and the South did, and they could have literally walked in and taken over Washington DC at Manassas, and Judah p Benjamin called them back.
Now later on in the civil war, Judah p Benjamin and and Jefferson Davis were going from wherever they were in the South up to Richmond, and they had all the South's gold. And they got around Savannah, and Judah p Benjamin said, you go on. I'll meet you in in Richmond. And he got the South's gold. There was a ship waiting for him in Savannah that took him to the Caribbean on a super fast British whatever, and they took the gold and they took Judah p Benjamin and they sailed him back to England, and he ended up knighted and the head barrister for the crown.
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A man of multiple allegiances.
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There's still a statue of Abraham Lincoln today in Westminster. It did not get torn down. Oh, don't don't
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forget, Benjamin. Judah Benjamin
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burned all the papers, everything about civil war. Well, I don't I didn't know that, Murr, but it wouldn't surprise me a bit. By the way, Ken, an audience in New Orleans where they in the middle of the night with mayor Landrieu, brought a crane there and took the statue of Robert e Lee out of Jackson Square right there by the river. They left the statue of Judah p Benjamin standing a couple blocks away.
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They took the image out of the search engine, so if you wanna try to find it.
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Wow. So this is some of that deep hidden history. K? But because we now know what the endgame was, was to eventually enslave everyone in The US and then make the dollar the world reserve currency that's based on your future labor so they could control the world and its commerce through the dollar. That's the outvent. That's the end game of the fourteenth amendment. And the thirteenth amendment, because of that little word there, t h e I r.
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And you've covered a lot of detail here. This is, this is incredible. I
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it's unbelievable. Now a couple of times through history between when they implemented it, Paul, would you go look up Downs v Bidwell and get that site for us and read it to us when we get to it, if you could, please? So immediately after the passage in the next few years, there was a couple of real important court cases. I try not to bring court cases and studs, statutes, and regulations in here because they confuse people, and that's part of the reason I try and simplify this as much as possible. K? But there's times when those things come in very valuable, and that's now. Okay. So in 1868, they ratified it.
It was originally by the way, the working title of the fourteenth amendment was called the Civil Rights Act of 1866, and it was introduced by a railroad lawyer from Ohio. K, senator. So we go along, and in the 1878, I believe, was one of the first challenges, at least at the Supreme Court, and it wasn't had nothing to do with blacks. It was with Indians. And the case is Elk, e l k, Elk v Wilkins. K? And so the story on it is Elk was an Indian. He came off the reservation because he wanted to vote. He went to the registrar's office. Wilkins was the registrar. Wilkins said, you're an Indian. I'm not registering you to vote. You can't be a citizen of The United States. So Elk leaves.
Election day comes. He comes off the reservation and goes to the polls. Wilkins, being the registrar, is sitting on the polls, and he won't let him vote. So he sued him, went all the way to the Supreme Court. Supreme Court said, you're not black. You can't be a citizen of The United States. You're an Indian. So right there, they were recognizing sovereignty, weren't they, within the country? Okay? And in that case is the only case where that middle phrase of the fourteenth amendment was covered and subject to the jurisdiction thereof. And it says that phrase means completely subject to the political jurisdiction.
Now that phrase in that case is cited again in another one we're gonna talk about in just a second. K? So that was 1878. We go through the eighties. We get into the eighteen nineties. During this whole period of time, we got Jim Crow. Right? Black, white, black, white, black, white. So there's a lot of people that wanna challenge that. There was a progressive it's funny how how so much of this stuff comes out of Louisiana, really. So there was a progressive newspaper in New Orleans, and I don't remember the name of it. One of our real good students who doesn't join us, but probably listens still, Lauren.
Boy, a a real a real female lioness right here. Lauren saw a couple of years ago a commemoration of this case, And it was some kind of a I don't remember the commemoration date. But, anyway, they, she sent me an article on on this case and this situation so we know more background on it. Okay? So there was a progressive newspaper in New Orleans, and they wanted to challenge the Jim Crow laws. And so they put out a a call for donations, and they raised about $3,000, which I'm sure in the eighteen nineties was a good bit of change. And, they went out and found a subject, and his name was Plessy, p l e s s y. This is the most important case, Ken and Bama, that you'll never hear another Patriot researcher talk about. And, man, it's pivotal.
K? Plessy v Ferguson. And I encourage you to go read about it. I'm a tell you about it. K? Plessy v Ferguson was in 1896, I believe. They went out and found this guy, Plessy. And I say found him, they had to hunt for him because Plessy was nine tenths white and one tenth black. So they dressed Plessy up in his Sunday best, took him to the train station on an intra not inter, intrastate railroad only within Louisiana. So state law applied. And they got Plessy dressed up in his Sunday best. They took him to the train station. They had the newspapers there, including theirs, and they had the guards that they'd hired to arrest him. And they ran plus a n to the white only railroad car.
Then they arrested him, took him off, went to court. The first judge ruled against him. His name was Ferguson. So they enjoined him in the case, went to the Supreme Court. K? And the Supreme Court came back and said, nope. Separate but equal. So, Ken, how can white drinking fountains and black drinking fountains, white restrooms, black restrooms, etcetera, how can those be equal?
[01:22:48] Unknown:
They clearly are not.
[01:22:51] Unknown:
Well, they are on one level. They both had a political status. One's inferior to the other, but they both had a political status, didn't they?
[01:23:09] Unknown:
And now that's a major
[01:23:11] Unknown:
that's a this is a major obstacle these guys had to overcome. Separate but equal. Whitey is a state citizen. Jim Crow was a federal citizen. Jim Crow had civil rights. Whitey had god given rights. It's not a racial question. This is a political status question.
[01:23:38] Unknown:
So just out of curiosity, were any of these terms, redefined within the dictionaries at the time to include a wider definition?
[01:23:47] Unknown:
I I don't know, and I don't think so. Well, most people didn't have any idea, especially hidden underneath of this feudal system. See? Okay. They just knew they're black, so, obviously, they're citizens of The United States. So that was in 1896. Now two years later, one of the most important cases to ever hit the Supreme Court hit. If you remember back when Obama was in and all the birthers that were trying to say he doesn't have birth certificate, this is the case they used. Okay? Because it is the biggest case in the history of our country at the Supreme Court on where all these issues are addressed.
Okay? And that case is called US versus Wong Kim Ark. Yeah. Wong Kim Ark. You may have heard of that case before. It's got it's got some legs. You know? So in the descent of Wong Kim Ark, chief justice Fuller, who was chief justice of the Supreme Court, he was from Maine. He he was a real estate lawyer in Chicago and somehow got to the supreme court and got to be chief justice. So he understood real estate law and land law. Okay? By the way, here's an interesting little tidbit for you. Do you know that the term estate means less than true ownership? So, Bama, when you're talking about real estate, right there in the title and the label, you've got less than true ownership because estate is what a king gives to the nobles in the feudal system.
[01:25:32] Unknown:
Very different than property.
[01:25:35] Unknown:
Very. And property, we we misuse that. If you wanna use it legally, we misuse that phrase. See, we say I say, Ken, you just paid for that car out there, man. I guess that's your property now, and you'd say yes. And we'd all understand what we're talking about. This another angle they work on is these two twin levels. They use a colloquial definition. They use a highly technical definition. We, not knowing the technical definition, rely on the colloquial definition to try and go into court, and we get our asses beat every time because we don't know the definition they're working on.
Yeah. Okay? Yeah. Property is a right. Colloquially, we call it property. Legally, it's called a thing. And property is your right in into the thing. Slight shift, but pretty damned important. Okay? Yeah. So Wong Kim Ark, a little background on it. He was a Chinaman. Wong Kim Ark was born in The United States. His parents immigrated to California. He was born. As he got older, he wanted to go back to China and see his grandparents. Went back to China, came back, no problem, got in. Few years later, wanted to go to China again, went back to China, went to come back. And at that point, it was out west, The discriminate, discrimination against the Chinese was somewhat akin to the discrimination of the blacks in the South. K?
So there's a big movement against the Chinese. Alright? And the second time he comes back, the immigration guy won't let him in even though he was born in The US. So at that point, the the Chinese were getting so discriminated on that they were the only outlet they had was the court system. So all of a sudden, tens of thousands of court cases are starting to be filed and jamming up the whole court system. So they let one case get up to the Supreme Court, US versus Wong Kim Ark. K? In the dissent in Wong Kim Ark, I should have sent it to Paul, and he could read it here. I'm gonna paraphrase it for you. K? You had chief justice Fuller, who'd been chief justice for over ten years, and you had one of the greatest justices our country's ever produced named John Harlan.
Are you familiar with John Harlan at all? Does that name come up, Ken, to you? Yeah. It does. Yeah. He's he's he's one that I've, studied a it's a modern amount, probably about four or five years ago. An interesting guy. Well, he was so great. He had his own nickname. They called him the great dissenter. And in just a minute, I'm gonna give you a sample of that, and Paul reads his site to us a couple years later. Right now, we're talking about Wong Kim Ark in 1898. And in the dissent on Wong Kim Ark, Harlan and Fuller nailed this.
They nailed it. They saw it. Okay? And the short thing I'm gonna paraphrase for you is according to the act if the act is according to the rule, they're talking about the Civil Rights Act of 1866, the working title of the fourteenth amendment. It it they're saying it brought the feudal system into the country for the first time. It was the relationship between a liege man and a liege lord. You seen those old movies where the guy takes his fist and bumps his armor and goes, yes, my liege. Yes, my liege. Right?
[01:29:11] Unknown:
Yep.
[01:29:12] Unknown:
That's the relationship between a liege man and a liege lord. This is the basis of jurisdiction. It comes from the feudal system, and it's allegiance for protection, protection for allegiance. That's why in the current statutes, it says a national owes total allegiance to a small less state. Well, if you owe total allegiance, then the state reciprocally has to give you protection, protection for allegiance, allegiance for protection, jurisdiction. That's where it comes from. K? So in that little part in the dissent, and they say this is the relationship of a liege man to a liege lord, and it is absolute and unbending and unchanged by time or space.
And it comes onto our country just as England is being relieved of its inconveniences. These guys didn't know the endgame like we do, but they saw what was happening and put it in that decision. It's there. K? So two years later, we get a group of cases that come to the Supreme Court where, like, the slaughterhouse cases, which we had brought up out of Louisiana, A bunch of cases, and they just pile them all together and call them plural. Well, this group is called the insular cases. And most of the cases dealt with all this territory that we were acquiring on the other side of the world through the Spanish American War and The Philippines and all these islands. And in one of that grouping was a little island called American Samoa, which becomes incredibly important.
Okay? So one of the cases in the Insular Cases is Downs v Bidwell, and Harlan wrote the dissent. Paul, have you got that keyed up?
[01:31:28] Unknown:
Yeah. I have Downs v Bidwell.
[01:31:31] Unknown:
And Okay. If you look down Wikipedia a little ways down the page, unbelievably unbelievably, this site from that case is in Wikipedia.
[01:31:47] Unknown:
Actually, I'm not looking in Wikipedia. I'm just yeah.
[01:31:51] Unknown:
And if you just go over to Wikipedia, they pull the site out of there. K? It's just a little ways down on the page, but, you read it the other day. But this is Harlan. And if we I'd I'd rather have Paul read it because it's so damn much more eloquent than I can paraphrase it. K?
[01:32:13] Unknown:
So Roger, just wanted to let you know, Demetrius jumped on too, and Heather's here. Okay. And Heather from Michigan.
[01:32:21] Unknown:
Okay. Great. Glad to have you guys on board. So, if we can get this, it's just so eloquent. Harlan was he was an outstanding jurist. Probably one of the finest jurors our country's ever produced. And you know what's interesting? Kent, you said you knew a little bit about him. He was from a blue blood family in Kentucky, and his son followed him on the bench. John Harlan junior served as a supreme court justice also. Very interesting. And he was called the great dissenter. He had his own name. He was always dissenting. Okay?
And this one that a listener brought us one day, I wasn't familiar with it, is just such an outstanding bit of oratory, and it's so illustrative of this time frame story that we're going over here. K? Paul, did you get it yet?
[01:33:17] Unknown:
Yeah. The, the thirteenth amendment to the constitution prohibiting slavery and involuntary servitude within The United States or any place subject to their jurisdiction is also significant as showing that there may be places within the jurisdiction of The United States that are no part of the union. To say that the phraseology of this amendment was due to the fact that it was intended to prohibit slavery in the seceded states under a possible interpretation that those states were no longer a part of the union That's is to confess the very point, but I'm I'm not getting to it, is to confess the very point in the issue since it involves an admission that if these states were not part of the union, they were still subject to the jurisdiction of The United States.
Upon the other hand, the fourteenth amendment, upon the subject of citizenship, declares only that all persons born or naturalized in The United States are subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of The United States and of the state wherein they reside. Here, there is a limitation to persons born or naturalized in The United States, which is not extended to persons born in any place subject to their jurisdiction.
[01:34:46] Unknown:
And don't forget, they naturalized people they naturalized people in the states before the fourteenth amendment, and the fourteenth amendment brought it into federal naturalization. That's not the part. Ladies and gentlemen, we have two forms of government at the bar. That's the side I'm looking for. Okay. I'm gonna paraphrase it. Okay. Rather so it says, ladies and gentlemen, the bar, we've got two different forms of government at the bar here. One is under our constitution, and the other mimics the monarchies of Europe. He's so much more eloquent than I can get this across. Okay? And heaven forbid the day that we fall under that form of government, basically.
So what Harlan saw was the two separate forms of government being brought up, and it revolved around these islands that, these disputes came out of on the other side of the world. This is where they were setting up American Samoa. Again, this is how far in advance these guys work because that was nineteen o one, and they didn't pull the string on the national thing until 1940. K? So, Downs v Bidwell is just another example of the places someone has seen what was going on, but they didn't really know. But they could see them forming this. Okay? So that was nineteen o one.
If we get up into William McFadden's talks, on the house from that little book that came up yesterday, the collective speeches of William t McFadden. If you wanna know what was going on historically, financially, and all the rest at this point in time, I don't believe there's a better resource I could point you to than the collective speeches of Louis t McFadden. It was 31 speeches between 1931 and 1933 until they killed him. Okay? And he saw what was going on. He called them out, put articles of impeachment in against them that have still never come out of committee. But one of the things he said, it's included in my book, they're erecting a Machiavellian feudal system.
Now McFadden saw it. Fuller and Harlan saw elements of it. K? So there were people between the the civil war and when this happened that did, with their incredible insight, see what they were planning and called it. K? So, of course, in, '33, they pulled the string. At that point, they switched everybody into the federal status as sureties for the fraudulent bankruptcy. And we know this and that they were gonna do it by a piece of paper that was found in Woodrow Wilson's effects in a note that was written to him by colonel House, his handler. And it's I think we've got it on the website. I know it was in the book.
It's a short paragraph relatively, and it starts out, we will make them sureties by invoking the ancient pledge. That says some other stuff down there. At the end, he says, if anybody ever find figures this out, we've got plausible deniability. No. Sorry, colonel House, and you slaving pieces of crap. You ain't got no plausible deniability. Sorry. K? What's the ancient pledge, Ken?
[01:38:37] Unknown:
Yeah. The feudal pledge. Oath of fealty. Yeah.
[01:38:43] Unknown:
It's called the oath of fealty. You can see it in the Monty Python movie, Holy Grail. You can go read about it. This is when someone volunteered in the feudal system into voluntary servitude. Yeah. Now when you did that, you went in to the lord of the manor, and you knelt on both knees, and you put your hands above your head as if you were praying. He put his hands over your hands. All the rest of the serfs from the manor were witnesses and surrounding the ceremony, and you would pledge your body and your worldly goods to the lord of the manor. Now that's really interesting. Okay.
You're pledging your body as property. He's now got a property right in you and your worldly goods. Why would you pledge your worldly goods to him?
[01:39:44] Unknown:
Because everything you have is now his property.
[01:39:48] Unknown:
You are Well You are Look at it this way. You're right. Okay? But look at it this way. Now he has a property right in you, so you can't have a property right in anything, can you? Property can't own property. There's your dialectic. Okay. So you pledged your body and your worldly good. Now if you wanna verify this, go to Black's Law Dictionary, and what you wanna look up is a term villain. We pronounce it villain. That's the English pronunciation. Don't forget it was brought over from Europe and France. So a lot of this stuff is v I l l e I n in blacks. And if you go look at villain, you'll see a number of different kinds.
It's different descriptions and whatnot. We think they're using the term villain regardant. And in the definition of villain regardant, it says a villain attached to the land property and transferable by deed. Birth certificate.
[01:41:04] Unknown:
Typical. Bond. Typical serf. Typical serf. Yep.
[01:41:09] Unknown:
K. Now in that agreement, what you did in that ceremony was you entered a contract. It was a contract. It was witnesses. K? Now this is one of those weird examples of, yes, it is contract. Okay? But it's a contract you've never heard of. You you've never heard of a silent contract that runs generationally? No. Well, that's what this is. Because now you're the object of this of the lord's property. Right? So when you and mama get amorous and have a child, child's born into the same condition. Mhmm. You can't own the child. He owns you. He owns the child.
Just exactly as if you had a bull and a cow out in the back pasture and they had a calf, that calf's yours, isn't it?
[01:42:05] Unknown:
That's just very interesting. You look on The US passport application, and it asks for your name of your parents. Are your parents US citizens or not? That's that we and that's very interesting, and you're right. K? So let's get to it because that's part of their setup right there. Alright?
[01:42:22] Unknown:
So this is a silent contract that runs generationally, and it doesn't matter if you're eight generations away from the guy that joined into the condition. You get the opportunity to volunteer out because the whole thing's based on voluntary servitude. This is why they've got to recognize the affidavit.
[01:42:48] Unknown:
Yeah. It's all about consent.
[01:42:51] Unknown:
Okay. It is all. It's totally about you deciding what you wanna do and who you are. K? So that's the underlying deal that's running on here in 1933 in March. They put everybody, just like Hal said, in the sureties in this condition, utilizing the ancient pledge with these underlying, ingredients. That's why everybody that's been born since 03/09/1933 has been born into a condition of servitude. But what have they got to do to lock hold it. Hold it. What have they got to do to lock you in? They gotta get your agreement. Agree.
[01:43:34] Unknown:
That's right. Just so long as you don't as long as you don't reply, you're fine. And where's the linchpin?
[01:43:40] Unknown:
Where's the linchpin, and how do you do that? This is the linchpin of the whole thing right here. Yeah. What's the linchpin? Lynchpin. Are you a citizen of The United States? Are you a resident? Yeah. Back to the fourteenth amendment. Now you've agreed to the contract even though you didn't know it was a contract, and you didn't know you were in it.
[01:44:12] Unknown:
Yeah.
[01:44:14] Unknown:
But you agreed to it, and you signed something your whole life every time they ever ask you. Didn't you? Mhmm. Well, Ken ought to know what he is. He's a sharp guy. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. I can't help it if he can't interpret what I'm asking him.
[01:44:39] Unknown:
Oh, man. This stuff is, it's frustratingly simple.
[01:44:47] Unknown:
See, that's the thing that gets me. And I I tell you people, I say, look. This is not complex. It's simple. It's simple. Where the confusion comes in is how they've jerry rigged all these definitions and how they've enslaved you in your mind with dialectics.
[01:45:07] Unknown:
There's the key part.
[01:45:10] Unknown:
We're enslaved in our own minds because they're assigning opposite definitions that get implanted Pavlovian conditioning into our subconscious. Right. Right or wrong. So the two way of thinking is is that go go ahead.
[01:45:29] Unknown:
I was gonna say the other thing is is that when you think about the law of contracts, no matter no matter what way you wanna be able to think about this conversation, when you think about contract and people staying in honor, you know, you say, well, do I do I flat out disagree? No. You put in a counteroffer. You know? You you won't we all wanna stay in honor. We all wanna be truthful about it, but we don't think about saying, why don't I just give a counteroffer? And Believe me. But you know?
[01:45:56] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, that's what the affidavit is. But it ain't an offer. It's a demand. It's your decision, which this is because every man has the right of personal political self determination. That comes from Vitell's Law Nations. In other words, you get to decide what set of laws you live under. If they tell you you're living under a set of laws, that's tyranny, isn't it?
[01:46:20] Unknown:
Yep. Yes. Absolutely.
[01:46:21] Unknown:
So that's why they've gone to all this trouble we spent an hour on so they could ask you those two questions and get your agreement to their fraud. So you're going in the first question, yep. I agree to your fraud. And in the second question, you're going, yep. I give you the consent to govern me in that condition.
[01:46:40] Unknown:
Hey, Raj?
[01:46:43] Unknown:
Yes.
[01:46:44] Unknown:
I have the dissenting opinion by John Marshall Harlan.
[01:46:49] Unknown:
Okay. Please read it because this is really eloquent, and I I just love this guy.
[01:46:55] Unknown:
Okay. The dissenting opinion was written by justice John Marshall Harlan who held that congress was always bound to enact laws within the jurisdiction of the constitution. This nation is under the con the control of a written constitution, the supreme law of the land, and the only source of the powers which our government or any branch or officer of it may exert at any time or at any place. He held that the Congress had no existence and thus had no authority outside the constitution. He continued, the idea prevails with some. Indeed, it has expression and arguments at the bar that we have in this country substantially two national governments, one to be maintained under the constitution with all its restrictions, the other to be maintained by congress outside and independently of that gun that govern that instrument, by exercising such powers as other nations of the earth are accustomed to.
I take leave to say that if the principles thus announced should ever receive the sanction of a majority of this court, a radical and mischievous change in our system will result. We will, in that event, pass from the era of constitutional liberty guarded and protected by a written constitution into an era of legislative absolutism. It will be an evil day for American liberty if the theory of a government outside the supreme law of the land finds lodgment in our constitutional jurisprudence. No higher duty rests upon this court than to exert its full authority to prevent all violation of the principles of the constitution.
[01:48:56] Unknown:
He had it, man.
[01:48:58] Unknown:
What was the date on that one?
[01:49:02] Unknown:
08/2001. Bidwell nineteen o one, the dissenting opinion by John Marshall Ireland.
[01:49:07] Unknown:
If you go to Downs v Bidwell in Wikipedia, it's got that site in there. K? Yeah. So he saw it thirty two years before the event.
[01:49:20] Unknown:
It's posted in all the chat rooms.
[01:49:23] Unknown:
K.
[01:49:24] Unknown:
So people have where your link is where I got it from.
[01:49:28] Unknown:
The the the he these people could surmise what was happening, but they didn't understand the bankruptcy, and they were gonna pull the string. They had all the setup.
[01:49:43] Unknown:
They had the setup. They didn't understand, or they they they didn't have a crystal ball to tell them what the bankers were gonna use to force their hand and force it to happen.
[01:49:54] Unknown:
And you see, here's where Jefferson said to fight tyranny, you gotta have eternal vigilance. How do you have eternal vigilance against skullduggery, palmetic bastards like this that lie, cheat, steal, and enslave. How can you see what they're gonna do a hundred years of ants from their intricate plan that was set up after the civil war they caused to get those two amendments in the constitution?
[01:50:24] Unknown:
Well, they do it through generations, so nobody knows They do it. Generation. Right.
[01:50:30] Unknown:
Exactly. And and And that's your history.
[01:50:33] Unknown:
You're talking about a gradualism. Okay? Now let's finish this out because we're towards the end of the show. So in 1940, in the nationality act of 1940, that's over in the organic statutes at large. Okay? This is where if you go look that legislation up and they start the legislation with definitions, a, b, c, d, e, f. Okay. Whatever. The very first one, right underneath the heading of the act, a national has total allegiance to a small less state. Right there. Very first definition. Now, Ken, this is something that I've been able to figure out. Whenever they're pulling something major, they always put the hook at the very first.
IRS 1.1 dash one a, nationality act 1940, that, fourteenth amendment, all persons born. Those three words control the world when you understand this. Because that brings in the feudal system. K? So they always put the hook at the front. So that is there. And then about the third definition, there's a paragraph that I would challenge any attorney to regurgitate and define. And this is where they set up American Samoa and the states where they could pull it over into title eight in the code, and they there's a statement in there. It says a national is someone born in American Samoa, Swains Island, or the outlying territories.
Well, hold it. A noncitizen this is in the statutes. This is in the code. A noncitizen national is someone born in American Samoa and Swains Island, not a national. So the only thing that could be left with deduction is that the outlying territories are the states.
[01:52:40] Unknown:
You know, we haven't been able to find the term outlying territories. They replaced it with outlying secession.
[01:52:48] Unknown:
Yeah. They did. They in the missus Robinson letter, she uses, oh, there are no other possessions outside the outlying possessions. They don't use the word possessions. They use the word territory. K? So this is where they set up a hiding oh, let me just finish because we're running out of time, Paul. This is where they set up the National and they set up American Samoan to hide it. Okay? Now the big obstacle they had to overcome still was that Case Plessy versus Ferguson to overcome the separateness but equality of the two political statuses.
They did that in a case most of us are familiar with in some way, shape, or form called Brown versus Board of Education in 1954. And the thumbnail for Brown, member is overbussing. Right? And the thumbnail description for Brown is equal in the classroom, equal in the society. What they did in some convoluted legal reasoning is they made people with god given rights equal to people with man given civil rights. Now that that's gotta be tortured because I don't see any way those are equal. K? But in Brown, that's what they did. Alright? Now because both statuses are equal, they can ask you just the leading question. Are you a citizen of The United States?
They don't ask you, are you a citizen of The United States or a national, do they? They ask you, are you a citizen of The United States? It's a leading question without full disclosure. Now that was at the tail end of their plan, And the reason I know it is because as I stumbled into understanding this a while back and I'm thinking 54, 54, 54. You know how your subconscious plays with you, Ken? You know, '54, '54. What else happened in '54? Bam. And I went and looked it up. Sixty days to the day after Brown versus Board of Education, they put the nineteen fifty four internal revenue code in place, and we've been on it ever since we've been under it.
That's the end of the game. The tax issue is the key to this whole scheme. Without the taxes being extracted to pay the bondholders, the they don't have a credit spout.
[01:55:24] Unknown:
Hey, Raj. Yes. I've got a definition for people to chew on after the show. The fourteenth amendment says all persons born or naturalized in The United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of The United States and of the state wherein they reside. Well, what definition of person are they using there Right. If the definition of person is an entity, to whom the law ascribes rights and duties?
[01:55:57] Unknown:
Correct. And if you volunteer and answer those questions, you're ascribed civil rights that you were born with that you just affirmed.
[01:56:08] Unknown:
Mhmm. So what definition of person is the fourteenth amendment using before it even start before it even sets up the top?
[01:56:18] Unknown:
Okay. Well, the it's already saying. And, see, the first part of the legal test, they took care of themselves with the bankruptcy and putting everybody into the condition. So everybody born, but then you've got the second part. You've gotta be subject to the jurisdiction thereof. That's why they ask you the questions that are in the original fourteenth amendment.
[01:56:43] Unknown:
Great show, Raj.
[01:56:48] Unknown:
This was That's my stuff, man. Good stuff.
[01:56:52] Unknown:
I'm a tell you. This one These are some slick bastards we're dealing with right here, folks.
[01:56:59] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. This one will be in the archives.
[01:57:04] Unknown:
Okay. We're done. We're gonna flip off the server. Alright. Does that help you, Ken? That help you, Dimitri? That help you, Bama?
[01:57:13] Unknown:
And they got another Saturday show to put in the, on expose the matrix.
[01:57:21] Unknown:
Wow. This is See, it's simple. It's right in front of you. If you know these hidden legal definitions, if you understand about the feudal system, if you know your enemy and how they think, Shit. It's simple.
[01:57:37] Unknown:
You know, the problem is this was all taught in those original civics classes that we never had.
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How to understand
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architecture of the system So when you're trying to decode something like this, you know where to look. Everybody's forgotten. Where do I look?
[01:57:56] Unknown:
One of your best presentations, Roger.
[01:57:59] Unknown:
Thank you, Joe. Well, even if they knew where to look, they might not find the right answer.
[01:58:05] Unknown:
Do you have at least you would have the starting point of how do you start navigating the map if you don't know that you're dealing with a map of 16 different levels. Do you understand the commerce? Do you understand the word? Do you understand the acts? Do you understand the cases? And everything you know, when you when you look at engineering, you always before you develop a product, you always do a whole series of trial runs and beta types and testing situations and all this kind of stuff so that you know when you actually deliver the final thing, it's gonna work.
But Yep. Thankfully, you know, what you brought up today is you've been talking about where was all these different little ideas tried out? Where would it where is their experiment their, you know, their their sandbox, their their experimental laboratory? And then you read those, and then you can derive the whole progress of development into the final product.
[01:59:09] Unknown:
This this this this back to Sun Tzu, really. Okay? It only goes back a couple of thousand years. Right? You got to know your enemy and see our people. Here's the problem with people that I see like Anna and David. They don't know how our enemy thinks. They approach this and read things like they think, and you can't get the answer that way. Roger? You've got to know how these guys think and do things. Yes, Marco?
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It all started with Roman civil law.
[01:59:46] Unknown:
Yeah. And we could go into that. Won't do it today. But, you know, the the beauty of this, Ken and Demetrius and Bama and the rest of you, Heather, and the importance of it. You know? People you might be telling people, they go, why do you wanna do that? I don't wanna do that. Well, the importance of this is there's only been two groups of people in the entire history of our planet that have ever had god given rights. The first two hundred years of Rome and the first two hundred years of our country. If that doesn't bring the importance of it to you, there's nothing else I can tell you.
[02:00:25] Unknown:
Roger, this is Sketch. Yes.
[02:00:27] Unknown:
Sketch.
[02:00:28] Unknown:
If we could get a flowchart I'm not very good at flowcharts, but if we get a flowchart of this, Joe, and how you explained it, it would help people immensely. You know? I'm just throwing it out there. If anybody can listen to this show and do a flowchart of the information, the concepts, I think it'll be very helpful.
[02:00:50] Unknown:
Thank you. And Well, you had a keyword right there, Sketch, and that's concepts. And for Ken and the new people, rather than go in and learn a bunch of minutiae, you know, I say learn the information, Start with understanding the concepts. You alluded to it a minute ago, Ken. You gotta learn about merchant law. What do you know about merchant law? Probably nothing. What do you know about the feudal system? Probably nothing. What do you know about the fourteenth amendment, the civil war, and all that stuff? Not too much probably has fought to free the slaves. So when you learn the concepts and how they interact, then you can go into the minutia and see what they're doing.
The problem with our community is they're trying to arrive at the concepts by going through statutes and regulations where you got all these different definitions, hidden labels, and all this stuff. That's why our community's never had any success.
[02:01:49] Unknown:
I kinda look at it and say if you're playing a five d chess game or if somebody if you're watching a five d chess game, but you only know how to play three d chess, you're the moves are not gonna make any sense. You're just not gonna understand it.
[02:02:04] Unknown:
Looks like that basketball team out there playing the hockey team. You're gonna lose every time.
[02:02:09] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Long game.
[02:02:13] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. I I wanna thank I wanna thank Paul for putting icing on the cake there with the person question. That that really helped a lot, I think.
[02:02:24] Unknown:
Well, that person everything revolves around that right there. That's why that our formula and understanding it and working with it a little bit is so damned important. No, your honor. What if Charlie Gray would have stood up in federal court and said, you stupid ass district director. What do you know? A person is an entity to whom the law ascribes rights and duties. I'm ascribed no rights under the fourteenth amendment. Therefore, I owe no correlative duties like your stinking income tax. But Charlie didn't know that information, and he just stood there silent, and it got him convicted.
[02:03:08] Unknown:
In the moment, this all comes down to intimidation because Insuredness. You're under the spot when you're under the spotlight, that part of your brain that can think outside of the box gets terminated. It just Sure. Just turns off.
[02:03:23] Unknown:
Well, that's why I preach this. I if you get in this situation, I want you to regurgitate what I just told you. Yeah. Okay. Just like Mike with that magistrate. We're not gonna recognize this affidavit. Oh, okay. So you're automatically dispelling Vitell's law of nations, the United Nations Charter, an 1835 Supreme Court case which dictates whatever's in the possession of the secretary, if admissible in a court of law, is to can be considered the higher and better evidence. And you're just throwing all that out the door there, ma'am. I guess you're just an open tyrant, aren't you?
[02:04:03] Unknown:
Not to mention due process.
[02:04:07] Unknown:
K. Listen, folks. We've got to have people learning this information and becoming reempowered. It's the information that reempowers you. It's the understanding. It's the confidence. It's all that stuff. You know? I look. I was nervous as hell like like everybody else that's new here at first. You know? And what I found was going to get that Florida State ID. Okay? The guy at the passport office, I had a Tennessee driver's license, and I didn't want to present it because I knew it evidenced residency. So in the instructions, it says if you don't have a picture ID, Demetrius, you might wanna pay attention to this, you can bring somebody that's known you for two years that does have one, and that suffices.
Well, I called an arrogant damn passport clerk. And he goes, well, I said, I had this girl with me. I said, well, that's why she's here because I don't have an ID, and she does. K? And he turns around and picks up a big three ring three inch three ring binder from the top shelf behind him and plops it on the counter. I mean, it made a no plop. Okay? And he goes through it for a minute, and he goes, it says right here that I don't have to accept that, and I can make you go get one, and I'm gonna make you go get one. He said it's snotty just like that. K?
And she turns to me and she goes, well, I just got my kids' state IDs two weeks ago. Let's go get one of those. Boom. Answer. So now it's a short distance to the driver's license division where they issue IDs, and we go in there. And at that point, I are I had had my affidavit on file in the property records office there since 1992, last day of the year 1992. I had a copy of that to include in with the passport application. I also had to have this first time, I had to have a copy of my birth certificate. So I had the birth certificate, and I had the affidavit filed in that county with the clerk of the court's stamp on it. K? And the gatekeeper there that makes sure you got the right documents sees that and goes, sure. Go on in. So I go down to the, lady. There's three or four clerks doing IDs, and I didn't even say anything. I just put that five page affidavit up on the counter.
Well, she grabs it, turns to the side 90 degrees, opens up a scanner, and starts scanning in the pages. And then she starts asking me the questions. Mister Sales, are you a citizen of The United States? No. Mister Sales, are you a resident? No. Where do you live? All the other questions. At the whole time, she's flipping pages on the scanner. And she goes, okay, mister Sales. That'll be $4. Stand over there and get your picture taken. You could have blown me over with a feather. And the first thing that came to my mind was I said, I'll be damned.
John was right. It's all voluntary.
[02:07:21] Unknown:
And they all know it.
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Not that the parks don't know it. They just know they're supposed to ask you the questions. It doesn't matter what you answer them. No. They gotta ask you the questions.
[02:07:34] Unknown:
That's right. But it'd be it'd be a blast to go through their training.
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Is it no. I realized
[02:07:40] Unknown:
Ignore what they say. Just make sure you ask the questions.
[02:07:44] Unknown:
Right. And and then so all of a sudden you go, well, you start feeling empowered. Okay? And I go, well Yeah. Now I was scared to go talk to bureaucrats before. Now, hell, I can't find I can't wait to find the next one. And you get up in front of him, and you go through it, and he does exactly what you want him to do. And you walk out going, holy smokes.
[02:08:17] Unknown:
This takes No. The first time to do it.
[02:08:21] Unknown:
Yeah. Hey. You're getting a drink of water out of a fire hydrant right now, you new folks, but I'm simplifying it as much as possible. And like anything else, it's totally new to you. It takes a little bit of acclimation, but it's not difficult. It just takes a little work on your part, and it changes your thinking. Here's what's going on on the main part of this, Ken and Demetrius and Bama and the other Heather, is they're using a process called equivocation. A listener called in and told me this. I didn't know it.
K? Equivocation. Now when you're trying to decide between several different options, you could be said to be equivocating. Right? I'm equivocating between these options. But equivocation is a little different the way these guys use it. And if you go back and look in this is this is interesting. In Webster's 1828 dictionary, when I went back and was researching this, and they give the definition of equivocation there. And at the bottom, he had personal notes. And the the comment was, this technique is often used by non Christians to trick quest Christians.
[02:09:39] Unknown:
Anybody to hate anybody.
[02:09:43] Unknown:
Right. So what they're doing and how it works is they go in and take an 80, a 180 degree opposite definition to a word, a keyword, whereas since The United States, whatever. And they then Pavlovianly condition your subconscious mind to the opposite definition. Now your subconscious mind controls 95% of your day. Your your conscious five to 10%. So now your conscious mind knows, but your subconscious mind overrules. So this is where it goes back to the biblical verse in the New Testament in, James one eight. A double minded man is uncertain in all of his ways. It doesn't say some of his ways. It doesn't say part of his ways. It says all of his ways.
And this is when your subconscious and your conscious are not working in tandem. So now that we know the technique, the remedy is very simple. You go back through. You find those keywords. You substitute the correct definition instead of the opposite one, and now your conscious and your subconscious are working together. Now you're empowered.
[02:11:00] Unknown:
That's important. And every single time you think of a definition to also understand the counter that definition,
[02:11:07] Unknown:
we can Well, you see, Kim, this is one thing that's given me a great advantage, and it's been a detriment in some ways too, actually, and especially in learning Spanish. K? Is early on, I didn't understand all this stuff, but I knew that they did everything in opposites. And so I started training my mind to always look at the dialectic first. Yeah. Okay? And I still think that way. I always look at the dialectic first. And it was great until I started to try and learn Spanish, and, buddy, it gave me fits. Because Spanish is opposite from English in many ways.
So if you're gonna learn Spanish, you gotta learn this one hurdle. I had to go back and overcome the dialectic before I could face the main hurdle, and it gave me fits. K? But it did bring a very important thing into into my life, which was my the last Spanish teacher I had was a intellectual, pretty real bright guy, married American, lived in The States for six years out in Golden, Colorado. Hated it, moved back to Argentina, and was in a commune outside of town of Shamans with no electricity and no hot water, and he lived out there for five years.
Cold showers in the middle of winter. This guy's heart is driven steel. K? And so one of the one of the girls I was dancing tango, and the girls wanted to talk, and I couldn't speak Spanish. And they said one of them said, look. This guy used to live in The States. He can teach you. So at this point, he's my ninth teacher or course. And I'm I now I found some a way I could learn, and I'm in interviewing teachers to see if they can teach me like this. And so when I went to sat down with Diego for the first time, I took a copy of my affidavit with him to try and show it to him and explain to him why I was having such a hard time because I'd figured it out by then.
And later on, we split. Well, I tell you what, this is true, man. We were having a class one day, and he give me all this homework and stuff, and I was doing it. Okay? I was really trying. And we were gonna have the class instead of his house. We're gonna have it at my apartment. So he he comes to the apartment. He walks into the apartment. He takes the books. He slams them down on the glass coffee table the table, and he goes, I won't be your Spanish teacher anymore because of the way your fucking mind works, and walked out the door. So we didn't have any interaction for a few years.
And then I had an occasion to utilize his services again. And when we got back together and and he said, you know, Roger, see, this guy had been studying power from the spiritual side for twenty years. I'd been studying it from the legal and technical side for twenty years, and our paths crossed. And later on, the second time we got together, and one of the early things he said, he said, I wanna tell you. When you gave me that affidavit and explained it to me, it increased my understanding fifty years. Wow.
[02:14:31] Unknown:
K. Understanding understanding of knowledge and ending of law, understanding of language.
[02:14:38] Unknown:
Of power, of how they implement their power. He knew what they did. He just didn't know how they implemented it. And one of the things he told me is he said power always puts what they're doing to you right in front of you. Hell, it's on the back of the dollar bill for god's sakes. It's right in front of us everywhere. You and you just haven't been able to see it. I liken it to that example. Have you seen that with a white piece of eight and a half by 11 paper with fly written in black in the middle of it, and people flash it up to you, and you can't read it. Your subconscious mind cannot see f l y in the middle of that page.
[02:15:21] Unknown:
Same type thing. I've seen the ones I've seen the the videos where you just have, like, these two people having a conversation, and then some guy comes in in this, like, gorilla costume, and he's, like, waving, and most people will not see that. The whole video is, like, maybe a minute or too long. And Right. You're like, you have you have to stop and relook at this thing two or three times to actually find it. It's amazing.
[02:15:47] Unknown:
Right. Right. Well, there those are those are all examples of what we're talking about here. K? So, anyway well, and I won't get into it now because I'm gonna go have lunch with somebody. My buddy, Walt, and, I got I've got the holy grail too. And it came out of these yeah. Hold on just a second. It came out of this second round with with Diego, who I call Gandalf, and I'm not gonna go into the story. Last time I told, I was talking about it on the air. Somebody wrote me and said, you shouldn't talk about that shit. You drive listeners off. Hell, this is the crux of it, man. Okay? Yes. Who was Hey Roger in there?
[02:16:25] Unknown:
Oh, that was me, Roger. I wasn't sure if you could hear me. I need to just ask you a quick question. I get this. This is this is huge what you did. You know, letting people understand that, you know, they're volunteering into something and how they're bound. They could be unbound. But you tell them the key point, and I appreciate this. The question I have for you is when you send in your affidavit, the citizenship affidavit, do you put your Social Security number on it?
[02:16:52] Unknown:
You can. If you got a common name, especially, just to make sure they identify it with the right person, Social Security is not a nexus to the system. That's more patriot mythology. You feel free to use it. Or if you don't wanna use it, you could put in place of birth and and date of birth and use the last four digits of the Social Security number. Okay. But you're all you're trying to do is differentiate and make sure they get this paperwork assigned to the correct person in their records.
[02:17:26] Unknown:
That's the only reason for it. Okay. And then, yeah, the cover letter, I have the four digits or I should put I could put the four digits or the whole number. But the four digits is fine. The other question You were the question.
[02:17:37] Unknown:
Hold on. You know what? Hold on. Ho. Ho. Ho. Ho. You don't wanna put that in the cover letter. You put it on the affidavit
[02:17:44] Unknown:
under your signature. Oh, not on the cover letter. Okay.
[02:17:48] Unknown:
So the other question is then Hold Hold on. Murr's got something she's chomping at the bit to get in here, Murr. Just saying that maybe you're considering it just common sense, but you put the x's for the, first part of the social and then just the four digits. You could do that. Okay. Yeah. What you're trying what you're trying to achieve is to make sure this is assigned to the right person in the records. K? Right. Right. I did that originally, but I put the whole number in. And I'm like, you know what?
[02:18:15] Unknown:
I have it both ways now where I have the Social Security number placed for it. When I get it notarized, I had the ten ten of them notarized originally, which I you know, I'm just apprehensive of bringing it in. I just wanna get it right. That's all. I'm not worried about doing that. I'm gonna take them on. Yeah. Well, there is a danger of people misusing your Social Security, and you are giving other people notice. And it could be floating around out there, so certainly a consideration. So the last four digits is fine. The other thing is when I put the address in, okay, I put my first, middle, and last name, my my Christian name and then my family name. Right? And then Sure.
Care of, is that correct care of and then the address?
[02:18:59] Unknown:
Don't worry about the address thing. Just put where you live.
[02:19:03] Unknown:
Oh, okay. ZIP code and all? More more
[02:19:06] Unknown:
more more patriot mythology. K?
[02:19:09] Unknown:
Okay. Cool. Alright. Good. Alright. Okay. It's all I wanted to make sure of. So it said none of it's care of and then, you know, Illinois, Republic, USA. You know where that do you know where that came from?
[02:19:20] Unknown:
From the guy that just recently well, it's a guy that recently died. He was an actor, the one that had the orangutans in every which way but loose. They did a seminar in Georgia years ago, and they were the ones, they said, this is how they're achieving jurisdiction. You've got a mailbox on your property. A mailbox is federal property, so that jurisdiction extends to you in the land. Total bullshit.
[02:19:49] Unknown:
Oh, good. Oh, beautiful. Okay. Because that was a little confusing. I'm like, wait a minute. Yes. Something about The federal
[02:19:56] Unknown:
let me, yeah, let me let me share this with you. The federal jurisdiction is inside your mailbox, not the outside.
[02:20:08] Unknown:
Ah, that's good. Alright. Okay. Good. I'll have it stopped off tomorrow.
[02:20:13] Unknown:
And I I put date of birth and place of birth, but not your current address.
[02:20:19] Unknown:
Date what is it gonna be?
[02:20:22] Unknown:
I mean, in that one, you know, on the, affidavit itself. It doesn't have to have that, I don't think. On the affidavit itself,
[02:20:31] Unknown:
number six or number five, it showed the department of I'm sorry. The Department of State documents certifies noncitizen nationally located and has the HP available. No. No. No. No. No.
[02:20:45] Unknown:
Noncitizen nationals are only American Samoans.
[02:20:50] Unknown:
Just put national.
[02:20:52] Unknown:
Roger, he just needs to go to the Oh, noncitizen. So I should get rid of the noncitizen? That was on Well, are you an American are you an are you an American Samoan?
[02:21:03] Unknown:
No. Well, then that's not you. I'm not. Roger, I think he's using a different affidavit, not yours. So No. It sounds like it. I don't have I don't have numbers. All I got is two paragraphs. They're very short. They're very succinct. They're very accurate. They're very to the point. One of them is for the state department. The second one's for IRS.
[02:21:25] Unknown:
Where are you from?
[02:21:27] Unknown:
Coming from. I'm just curious. Where are they coming from?
[02:21:31] Unknown:
Not the one that I have. Correct on the Presley video.
[02:21:34] Unknown:
Not everything. Okay. Alright. So then I'm gonna use the term on the business. Would I be able to get it off of your website, Roger, or no? Yes.
[02:21:42] Unknown:
Yes.
[02:21:43] Unknown:
Okay. Alright. Then I'm not gonna okay. I'm so glad I asked. I've just been waiting all the time. I don't wanna interrupt on you guys because you guys were talking about Well, this is for you and Ken and the new people.
[02:21:55] Unknown:
Forget everything thing you've learned and relearn it correctly.
[02:22:02] Unknown:
Everything's on the matrix docs, and FAQs on matrix docs explains, how to word your affidavit too. And it the copy is on the matrix docs.
[02:22:14] Unknown:
Beautiful. Beautiful. Okay.
[02:22:17] Unknown:
That's you know, I just wanna get this right. I I kinda saw a nonsense. I'm thinking, wait a minute. That would take me completely out. But I didn't wanna question it, but I'm glad I did.
[02:22:27] Unknown:
Okay. So that saved me again, Rod. And the less the less you have on there is the less for them to rebut.
[02:22:35] Unknown:
Okay. Alright. So alright. So that'll just have to do all of it. Okay. I mean, literally,
[02:22:40] Unknown:
all you're doing here is see, everybody want oh, and can I use this word? Can I use that word? All you're doing is rebutting a fraudulent presumption.
[02:22:52] Unknown:
You can do it. I don't know how they were able to I don't mhmm. Go ahead. I I will No. You can do it if you're able to. But the less you say just think think of it this way.
[02:23:06] Unknown:
The less you say, the less they have potentially to rebut.
[02:23:12] Unknown:
Right? Okay. But the yes. But they didn't give full disclosure on what they did originally. I don't know if that's legal. True. Well, that's part of why that's part of why they have to recognize it because it's fraud. Okay. Well alright. So okay. That answers the question then. Fraud Paperbud Fraud vitiates
[02:23:32] Unknown:
any fraud vitiates any contract ab initio. If there's fraud involved, the contract is negative and negated from when it started. That's why when you file this, you're running back to pre 03/09/1933 before the fraud.
[02:23:56] Unknown:
Okay. I thought it was oh, you said 1940 too. That was, the That well, that was 1940.
[02:24:04] Unknown:
No. That was the Nationality Act of 1940 where they set forth and changed state citizen to national and hid And hid and set up hiding national state citizen behind noncitizen national American Samoan.
[02:24:29] Unknown:
Okay. That's what they did with that. Okay. Alright. Okay. So I'm gonna go off of your, wait matrix website and get your affidavit and just plug in my name. Now would I be putting all three names? That's what I'm asking you. The Christian name, Amazon name, or just the full name?
[02:24:48] Unknown:
I I'd put your full name in there. Okay. Rod. Okay. It's a new way that they can easily identify it with the right person.
[02:24:58] Unknown:
Sam last four digits to this No. This is sketch. I just wanted to tell this fellow to try and I know we all know you wanna become free quickly, but, you know, you should do it slowly and methodically like a turtle, not a rabbit, and, learn the concepts. Learn learn what you're doing.
[02:25:19] Unknown:
No. I, yeah, I understand how they did the fraud. I understand that they they put in the word they, in the fourteenth amendment and are subject to and not and, which places you in a position where there
[02:25:36] Unknown:
no? No. They don't use our because then they'd be tyrants.
[02:25:41] Unknown:
They use and. I'm sorry. And and. I'm sorry. You're right. And and. Right. So you have to have both of those quality both of those situations to be in their jurisdiction. And if you don't have the second one, then you're then you're not then you could you could pull yourself out.
[02:25:59] Unknown:
Well, you're not if you don't have the second one, you're not subject to the jurisdiction.
[02:26:04] Unknown:
Expect. Right. You're not subject to the jurisdiction. That's correct. Okay. Yeah. Now I get it. You just you you know, I'm just a little nervous again, Raj. You know?
[02:26:12] Unknown:
I know. Well, you're new. And I I think sketches you know, that's why I say and then we're at a time where we've got it simplified. Somebody could do the paperwork, but I want you to make the personal commitment to yourself that you're gonna learn the information if you do that. What we don't want is a bunch of people taking the paperwork and filing it and not doing anything else. I'll give you an example. I heard of a kid running around going, I'm a nonresident alien. Okay. What do you think what do you think people that heard him make that statement thought? Thought he was not. Guy's full of shit.
He's from a he's from another another freaking planet. Well, he's not wrong. He is a nonresident alien, but only in the tax code. Right. Yes. To the IRS. Yes. Yes. I know that. Okay. Yeah. Absolutely. So that's what I don't want is people that don't understand the information fucking it up for us. Mhmm.
[02:27:25] Unknown:
You have to be out of their coming back. You gotta be out of their possession. The United States is a corporation, and they've drawn everybody into being their I I I wanna say slaves, but it's their their workers. I kept asking the same question. You know, I had an estimated number. I said, what is what is that? That's a federal employer index number. I just I don't work for the government. Why do I have this number? I kept asking this question. Nobody could tell me anything. Oh, no. Good. I don't But, obviously, you come out of my property without my permission. She You know? Here again is part of our problem
[02:28:04] Unknown:
is when you go up to somebody and said, do you know your property of the federal government? And all they relate to when you say the word slave is black slavery. Okay? And they go look in the mirror and they go, well, hell, that's me. I've been looking at that reflection my whole life. I ain't black, and I ain't a slave because they told me I was free. But where does This is the English British slavery to know. Right. This is the English variety of slavery. Yeah. See, they didn't have black you know, England's got a free soil doctrine that goes back hundreds of years. No one born in England is a slave.
And there's been court cases on that with black slaves. Okay? So they when they came over and brought the feudal system with William the conqueror, they couldn't bring in involuntary servitude from Europe because England's got a free soil doctrine. So they only brought the voluntary side over. And they called it in the old English jurists, very accurately, I think, labeled it the unfree.
[02:29:24] Unknown:
K. The unfree.
[02:29:28] Unknown:
That's why I understand in this thing on property because our people don't understand that. You've heard people refer to property as property rights, but you don't know that property is property rights and the whatever the object is is a thing legally. So it's these little levels of technical versus colloquial is another way they've bamboozled us.
[02:29:57] Unknown:
Maybe there's a real simple way to enhance the affidavit. And so you have the subject line US citizen, and then you have two words that say no. Thank you. Signed.
[02:30:08] Unknown:
Well, I you know, I I my personal feeling is to make him keep it as simple and concise as as possible. They hadn't ever objected to one. They may have others people. I don't know. You know? But I know they can't object to this because it's your choice. And the simpler you make it, the more effective it is and the less they've got to come back at you on, potentially.
[02:30:33] Unknown:
How about your how about your name and then how about your name and then no contract?
[02:30:40] Unknown:
Well, that travel That's what the
[02:30:43] Unknown:
paid That's what the first that's what the first paragraph says. Hi, Sam, Illinois. Do do do solemnly swear under the penalty of perjury of the laws of The United States Of America, my intent Yeah. To be a national with God given, constitutionally protected, capital r rights and not a citizen of The United States in a condition of voluntary servitude under the scope and purview of the fourteenth amendment. That's that first paragraph verbatim.
[02:31:17] Unknown:
Wow. You gotta tell Patton. Okay. Alright. Comment. Yeah. No. I I get it. I get it. I just don't want I'm glad I asked. So I was just about to send it in to Comment. Glad I hit it. You know? Okay. Comment from Joe.
[02:31:33] Unknown:
What you're saying reminds me of when I took business law in college, and they were on the subject of will wills and testaments. And the professor spoke of the most simple will, and it was tested in court and found to be valid. All to Mary.
[02:31:54] Unknown:
Three words. There you go.
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Yep. Keep it simple. And there's another line I'm sure you've heard with regard to what they throw at us. If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.
[02:32:08] Unknown:
Well, see, here's the problem in our community is we got these people who have been studying for a long time and interested in it, and they've studied a whole bunch of stuff, and now they wanna show you what they've learned.
[02:32:20] Unknown:
They they they've got a freaking PhD.
[02:32:22] Unknown:
I'm pro pern, pro nunque, k sunk, and, don't do that. Right. You don't need to.
[02:32:32] Unknown:
Right. Make it simple. But can you please let me just ask a quick question. Okay. This is Demetrius. Sister general just bought up about the will. Wouldn't this also affect how probate is done?
[02:32:48] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, our suggestion is you got to refuse trust, and then there is no probate.
[02:32:55] Unknown:
Right. Gotcha. And I believe in that too. So, Roger,
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take the government out of out of your affairs. Hold on. We got Gary. He's stopped swinging his hammer for a minute. Say something. Hey, Gary.
[02:33:12] Unknown:
I'm not swinging a hammer today, Roger. I'm turning wrenches. I'm changing a hub assembly on one of vehicles. Hey. For all the new people that are trying to understand stuff, there's two pages of court cases. I imag I think they're on the website. You need to download those two pages and read those two pages with the information you've gleaned today until you understand what they're saying. They even say one court case even says you're in interstate commerce as soon as you leave Washington, DC.
[02:33:47] Unknown:
Yeah. Yep.
[02:33:49] Unknown:
Unless you were born in Washington, DC and still live there, you left Washington, DC in their their imaginary world. So read those two things.
[02:33:58] Unknown:
Your right. Well, I told y'all that we had a Patriot in Atlanta that went up there. And when they're leaving DC and driving back to Atlanta, as they get to Virginia, there's one of those green signs, and it says you're leaving The United States. Wow.
[02:34:19] Unknown:
10 square miles. But as long as you're but as long as you're a US citizen or claim to be, you're still in the jurisdiction of DC administered by Nancy Pelosi of the House of Representatives.
[02:34:33] Unknown:
And and why is that, Gary? Why is that? Because that word theirs in the thirteenth amendment.
[02:34:42] Unknown:
Can I because you volunteered me to
[02:34:46] Unknown:
Well, they volunteered you into it, and you agreed to it, to be more technically precise? You didn't. What you're doing with the affidavit what you're doing with the affidavit is you're taking away your agreement. You're taking away your consent, which is your capital r right.
[02:35:05] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. I know once you leave the DC area, you're doing commerce. I get that a 100. And and, actually, that one video is very good that Presley had. He explained the thirteenth and fourteenth very well just like you did, Roger. But, again, I'm not I I gotta go look at these court cases which you're talking about. Right?
[02:35:25] Unknown:
No. I understand. And I we you know, we've heard of a rumble or two that people looked at one or two of the sites and couldn't find the site. So I'm not sure, and I've never shepardized them. But I got a feel they're probably correct. Okay? But somebody, one of these days, can shepherdize those sites and see if they exist. And if they don't, we'll get that site out of there.
[02:35:50] Unknown:
Yeah. I I have that site. I don't I can if I could send it to you, I will. I have my son send it through the email. And see if I can I still have it? So
[02:36:02] Unknown:
Okay. Well, I don't know which one you're referring to. But, anyway, anybody got anything else for me today?
[02:36:09] Unknown:
Roger, I know you're gotta go eat, and I'll send it in the mail, but just for future reference who Benjamin's wife was.
[02:36:17] Unknown:
She was a slave. She was a slave. No. She wasn't. No. No. She wasn't? No.
[02:36:23] Unknown:
Well, let me see. Do I have it real handy here to tell you? I think I do. Let me scroll back. Just a second. Come on.
[02:36:31] Unknown:
Awesome show today, Roger. Yeah. Thank you, Melissa.
[02:36:34] Unknown:
Very convenient. Yes. Thank you, Roger. Thank you so much for what you do.
[02:36:41] Unknown:
Yeah. Thank you. This was a blast.
[02:36:43] Unknown:
Yeah. He,
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I'll wear my purse. At least he did at any moment. To you, man. I appreciate it so much.
[02:36:51] Unknown:
Thank you, Demetrius.
[02:36:53] Unknown:
Yeah. So he was teaching English to French speaking people and returned, one of the students, Natalie Boucher du Saint Martin, a daughter from a prominent local Catholic family whom he soon wed. Uh-huh. That was the wife. Right? And apparently I don't know. Then they ended up they went to to Paris, and he'd visit once a year or whatever. He was apparently impotent. Well, he was queer. Sorry. Could've been. And he's fat. He couldn't even ride a horse.
[02:37:23] Unknown:
This is this is sketch. A hundred and twenty five years after Plessy Plessy versus Ferguson, the descendants were at a ceremony in Louisiana, and he was pardon pardoned by the governor.
[02:37:40] Unknown:
Good. I think that's what that article that Lauren found was about.
[02:37:47] Unknown:
I sent her an email just in case she can jump on and say hi one day. But, you know, I mean, see, it wasn't a black white issue.
[02:37:56] Unknown:
It's a political status issue.
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Yep.
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And they covered it up by that, by using black and white. Yes. Well, you see, they're looking a hundred years ahead, Demetrius,
[02:38:09] Unknown:
because they know they're gonna pit you and your folks against me and my folks.
[02:38:16] Unknown:
Exactly. And that's what they're still doing today.
[02:38:21] Unknown:
Well, that's why I welcome you black folks so open armedly. You gotta get in and teach the black community what's going on. You know, John used to say from the stadium from the podium, if we could free the black man, we could free us all. But you see, that's not right. We gotta go in and free the white man and be able to pull it free the black man finally.
[02:38:46] Unknown:
Hell, I'm still having trouble teaching white folks.
[02:38:50] Unknown:
Well, hell, you're just a damn slave anyway.
[02:38:55] Unknown:
I saw this years ago, man. I saw it. I didn't understand it all, but I knew that they took the slavery system just like they always do. When they find something that works, they'll take it, and they'll implement it over everything else.
[02:39:12] Unknown:
I should play one day. Yeah. Thank you. I've I've got a audio of a David Duke video called the history of Jewish slavery. It's on the website, on the archive somewhere. Maybe it's only about twenty minutes long. Maybe one day this coming week, I'll play it for you guys. These are history slavers, folk. They've always been in this business. Slavery is the single most profitable business in
[02:39:45] Unknown:
history. Yes. Yes.
[02:39:48] Unknown:
May I ask Ken? May I ask Ken if I ask Ken? The Ken that was on here most of the day? Yeah. Hey hey, Ken. Do do does Anavon Wright mention feudal system and or Jews, slavers?
[02:40:07] Unknown:
She is probably not. I think she is Jewish.
[02:40:11] Unknown:
Oh, she may be, but she's German, and she always, goes back to when she was young and, the kids would pick on her and call her Nazi or whatever, so she's afraid to talk about Jews. But then she said she was against the Catholic church, and, apparently, that's not true either. Well, hell shit. What I've heard, she's got a direct connection to the pope. That's what I'm saying.
[02:40:32] Unknown:
Is it Reitz or Reitzinger?
[02:40:36] Unknown:
Reitz is all I've ever heard. It's it's I think it is Reitzinger, but she cut it cut it back. Because she's she's actually short. Anyway, I I I like to think that everybody that's trying to do something in this area is doing the best of their ability. I don't know if that's true, but that's what I'd like to think. It makes the world nicer for me. K?
[02:40:59] Unknown:
Hey, Dimitria Prius. You might go into a search for an article called We Thought They Were White.
[02:41:09] Unknown:
We thought Jackson. Were white. Yep. Don't tell Jackson. Right, Brent?
[02:41:17] Unknown:
And Demetrius, I tell you, I've been trying to penetrate the black community for years. K? I had somebody I used to get on and say, please somebody get this information to Louis Farrakhan. A guy contacted me from DC. His cousin is the head of security for Louis Farrakhan. He stay at his house when he's in DC. I know the information got to Louis Farrakhan because he told me he gave it to his cousin. But Louis has chosen not whether he's too old or doesn't quite under I can't imagine he doesn't understand it. But regardless, nothing has ever come out of that. But you see, if we got a bunch of the black folks understanding this and standing up, Can you see the mayhem in their agenda?
I mean, technically, Brent and Demetrius, you guys are now white. Do you know that?
[02:42:24] Unknown:
Yeah.
[02:42:25] Unknown:
Hey, Roger. Roger. Oh, lordy.
[02:42:28] Unknown:
What am I gonna do?
[02:42:30] Unknown:
Hold on there, son. You as a white man. According to The United States code, title 42 section nineteen eighty three and nineteen eighty six. A citizen of The United States is equal in the privileges and com privileges and immunities to the white citizens.
[02:42:53] Unknown:
Another example of the man keeping us down.
[02:42:56] Unknown:
I know the another example of a
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you guys
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Man, he's trying to uplift the white man.
[02:43:05] Unknown:
Yeah. And so now we meet Demetrius or Brent and go, god, look at that whiteness. That's a devil. That's a white devil right there.
[02:43:16] Unknown:
Hey. Somebody you mean, Brett Brent's black? Man, I didn't know that.
[02:43:25] Unknown:
He's the white sheep.
[02:43:29] Unknown:
Demetrius too. Don't leave him or mom. Don't leave Mississippi mama out of this for god's sakes. She's up there having chili at Kotakaki today. Yes.
[02:43:40] Unknown:
Yeah. Roger. William in Georgia.
[02:43:43] Unknown:
Pardon me?
[02:43:44] Unknown:
Yeah. I was wondering, this is William in Georgia. I was just wondering, where does the current US citizen stand with the prospect of, trading with the enemy and, you know, the War Powers Act and all that. Well, you're totally outside of that.
[02:44:03] Unknown:
You're no longer in the emergency when you file the affidavit. See, that that's what g Schroeder and that's what Gene missed here, Joe. I'm not criticizing him. He, at the end, says, well, if you get a president there, sign one executive order, this all goes away. He didn't know and understand we can do it individually and make it go away.
[02:44:25] Unknown:
Right. Case in point. Good. Thank you, Roger.
[02:44:29] Unknown:
Mhmm.
[02:44:30] Unknown:
Thank you for that, Rod. That was great.
[02:44:34] Unknown:
Yeah. Good show today. I've enjoyed doing Roger. Yes.
[02:44:39] Unknown:
Marco. I wonder if, Joe I mean, Schroeder knows now. Maybe he heard something,
[02:44:47] Unknown:
or you mentioning it. I don't know if he's Well, I don't know. Joe, have you gotten our information to doctor Schroeder?
[02:44:57] Unknown:
He is well, let me say this. Andy and Paul both made contact with one of the researchers, that wrote the war and emergency powers book and did the research on it. Right. They're trying to establish some communication,
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and,
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that's all safe for right now.
[02:45:34] Unknown:
Okay. Well, hopefully, they'll they'll they should be able to understand it fairly easily. K? Well With the knowledge they've got you know?
[02:45:45] Unknown:
I'll say this. There are stumbling blocks that are kinda thrown in front of people to get to him. So I'm not gonna say anymore. That's it. Okay.
[02:46:00] Unknown:
Well, you know, at this point, I I the, the SWs. You know? Some will, some won't, so what? Go find somebody that's receptive that the information residents resonates with. That's the only path I've been able to take. I'm not gonna sit there and argue with somebody. I'm not gonna get in a room with David Strait and Anavon Wright and try and present my stuff and hear all of their objections because those people, especially straight, see, he he's not in a position to change horses. He's had a whole bunch of people that have paid him money that he's now gonna have to go back to and say, hey. I was wrong.
[02:46:41] Unknown:
Roger, please don't misunderstand. It's not that Jean It would not be receptive to this. Oh, I'm I'm sure that. Yeah. I I can I hope you can understand where you can read between the lines and leave it at that for right now? I think we'll I think we'll make the contact.
[02:47:01] Unknown:
Okay. Well, if he if he gets to him and he understands it, great. And if he done this, great too. He gave us a a wonderful research, that verifies everything we're saying and puts it into a little different form, really.
[02:47:16] Unknown:
Joe, I appreciate you sharing what you did right now, and I know that Schroeder would appreciate learning, Roger's stuff, if it ever gets to him.
[02:47:29] Unknown:
I think it will. And, like I say, Andy and Paul have, communicated with one of the researchers who I I communicate with quite frequently. But, Paul and Andy are much better at explaining and, going forward with what what we're trying to do here.
[02:47:55] Unknown:
Now let's take what we've covered and what you people know and understand, and let's transpose just a bit. Can you imagine the effect of this if, hypothetically, we can get on Alex Jones and present it to that audience? At this time, as effective as this is, as in as in a precarious position as our enemies are in, folks, these guys are getting hit with the getting uncovered from every angle right now.
[02:48:27] Unknown:
Talk to us live at the Iowa State Fair.
[02:48:30] Unknown:
Oh, good. The war the war on emergency powers presentation from Gene Schroeder, had 1,060 views a week ago. It's already to 1,270. So it has picked up more views in one week than any other video I've ever produced or presented.
[02:48:58] Unknown:
Fantastic. I hope some of that comes from, last week on, Thumper Show. I'm hoping I guarantee you some of it came from that. Okay? Wait. Yeah. Which video was that?
[02:49:10] Unknown:
Warren Emergency Powers.
[02:49:12] Unknown:
Yeah. Joe has it on his on his rumble too.
[02:49:15] Unknown:
Joe, have you watched that yet? I've been sharing it. No. No. Joe Joe Jersey Joe, have you watched that yet? No. You need to.
[02:49:26] Unknown:
Are you kidding?
[02:49:27] Unknown:
Wow. Dude, it's very it's very important.
[02:49:32] Unknown:
Joe, you have it posted on '76, 1776, sir.
[02:49:38] Unknown:
I do? Uh-oh. Yeah. It's on there. To track what I got on there. What
[02:49:45] Unknown:
what I what I I I shared Anyway your your video too, Paul, with, Rumble, like, the other Rumbles that we've been kinda contacting?
[02:49:55] Unknown:
It was it will show you how they did everything behind the scenes to set up the switch. K?
[02:50:03] Unknown:
Yeah. Oh, and and, Raj, I've already got a couple of f bombs to, edit out of the archives.
[02:50:10] Unknown:
Oh, shit.
[02:50:11] Unknown:
Do you do you have, do you have, like, a, like, a flashing neon light or or anything like that on the wall? You know? Oh, I guess. Way that It's It Yeah. Okay. Well, if there's any way that you can imagine yourself sitting in a titty bar and having a lap dance and having to sit on your hands instead of constantly tapping on the table.
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That's that's that's
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be very helpful. No. I've got the handkerchief up there now. So Not helpful. No. I you I try consciously being a a broadcaster since my early twenties, not cross the line. But when we click off the server, I to me, it's us us girls here. Okay? So sorry for the language. Otherwise, not girls. Going to lunch.
[02:51:04] Unknown:
I'm going to lunch. Does anybody have any girls and everybody on Global Voices. Everybody. And It's been a pleasure. Have a good night, Roger.
[02:51:14] Unknown:
Okay. Thanks. Thank you, buddy. So Thank you, buddy. Yeah. And I will listen. I I welcome all you new people. I really do. And you're the lifeblood of what we do, and I'm particularly impressed with the quality of Kent. Demetrius and Heather and Emma and the other new people that are coming in. I don't know what you guys are gonna do with this. All all I can do is teach you just like John Benson taught you. And then whatever you're gonna do with it is gonna be an internal motivation, and Mhmm. Go out and see how the information moves you. See, it's not me. It's got to be the information. The information has got is what has to take control there.
[02:51:55] Unknown:
Mhmm. Exactly. Thanks, Raj. Great show. And the link to the archive is already on. The, the new students begin here page on exposedtomatrix.com.
[02:52:11] Unknown:
Okay. Well, good show. I'm glad that came up yesterday, and I like doing these kind of shows because they're damn, they're just so educational. They make light bulbs go off to people. You know? And, that's what we want.
[02:52:27] Unknown:
Mhmm.
[02:52:28] Unknown:
Exactly. Thank you, Roger. Thank you, Roger. Thank you, Roger. You mentioned my name a couple of times. This is Bama, and I didn't wanna interrupt anything because it was such a great show, and I was just here to to listen and learn. I really appreciate it. Have a great weekend.
[02:52:44] Unknown:
Well, you know, God gave you two ears and one mouth, ma'am. What does that tell you?
[02:52:50] Unknown:
Supposed to listen.
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I'll see y'all Monday. Thank you, Roger. Love I love eat and every one of you.
[02:53:02] Unknown:
I love you too, Roger. Sending you a hug. Thank you, Roger. We love you, buddy. We do. Okay. Thank you, sir. We
[02:53:10] Unknown:
yeah, Roger. We know how valuable you are, because if you weren't, we wouldn't be here on a Saturday listening to you. We'd be in the sun or at the lake or see doing or doing whatever. So this is as important to me, and I know it's important to everybody else. And and we love you, and we trust you. So thank you.
[02:53:28] Unknown:
Okay, kids. Thank god. I'll see you on the
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I'm with another man on a weekend, and it's not my husband.
[02:53:48] Unknown:
Ron. Hey, Frankie. Your job.
[02:53:51] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:53:52] Unknown:
We got you, Roger. That would be awesome.
[02:53:56] Unknown:
You know, you could be enslaved several ways. You know?
[02:54:00] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Okay.
[02:54:02] Unknown:
Hey. That Okay. Okay. We're still streaming, everyone.
[02:54:09] Unknown:
Come on. I gotta go. I'll see you later.
[02:54:13] Unknown:
Ciao. Bye. Alright. Catch you later. I think I'm I think I'm gonna get this stream off of here before we really get in trouble. This has been the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales on eurofolkradio.com and radio.globalvoiceradio.net. For more information on the topics discussed or an archive of this program, you can, find a link on exposethematrix.com. Exposethematrix.com. You'll find it on the new students begin here link. It's in red, lower right hand corner of the upper portion of the main page. We're also on homenetwork.tv and freedomnation.tv, Monday through Friday. We're here on eurofolkradio.com and radio.globalvoiceradio.net, Monday through Saturday from eleven to 1PM eastern time.
And, well, that's about it. I think today has been one for the books. It's been one for the record books for certain, and I appreciate everybody who joined us on this weekend. Now go forth and be entertained with your free time. This is Global Voice Network. Catch you later.
[02:56:23] Unknown:
Bye boys. Have fun storming the castle.
Alright. Hold on. Close me just a second. Hold on. Okay. We gotta go on. Connecting, and we're connected. And here comes some nice lullaby music with some wonderful poetry, tremendous oratory. Oh, for a voice like thunder and a tongue
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to Who can stand? When souls of the oppressed fight in the troubled air that rages, who can stand? When the whirlwind of fury comes from the throne of God and the frowns of his continents drive the nations together, who can stand? When sin claps his broad wings over the bottle and sails rejoicing in a flood of death, when souls are torn to everlasting fire and fiends of hell rejoice upon the strain. Oh, who can stand? Oh, who has caused this?
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Oh, Okay. Whoever's got the mic over you. You hear me? You hear me? You hear me? You hear me? You hear me? You hear me? You hear me? Grabbers got the mic open. You're in there. You wanna do the show?
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Okay. I got there we go. I'm gonna take care of it right now. Okay.
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Alright. Give me one second. And All participants are muted, and they can unmute themselves.
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Now we have people wanna be free, and they can't even unmute and they can't even mute themselves.
[00:02:10] Unknown:
Well, you know, some of them, the the, they show up, like, during the intro and or, like, during the program. And when they drop in the room, they're automatically unmuted, sometimes. And that's that's particularly the way it is in the the Jitsi platform. Free conference call is usually locked up from the beginning. But Jitsi, they're, you know, mics show up. They're wide open.
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I didn't see anybody show up. I'm looking here at the participants here. So whatever it was, you know, we try to do the best we can here. Let's get started. Saturday, good morning, August 12 here on the old Radio Ranch, and, Roger Sales, your host here. Of course, we're broadcasting on a couple of different platforms, and I like to give Paul a little airtime here at the front, little pub, a little pub so you guys know who who's orchestrating all this. Any press you know, Paul, we used to say actually, it wasn't we. It was the, it was the Warner Brothers guys, if I remember right. Anyway, they, they said, any press is good press. So there there's your intro.
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Okay. Thank you. And, I'm not orchestrating anything. I'm just pushing buttons. And, we've got some other, we've got some other button pushers with us, moderating the rooms and things like that. We've got Mirka. Mhmm. We've got Monique in another room, usually, and we've got Andy and Lisa in the conference room. It is it is it's just this cohesive effort here. Everybody coming together, making this thing work. It's just the way cool.
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Well, it is a team. Well, it is a team. I've tried to
[00:04:00] Unknown:
Anthony, that's you echoing back to us. So, Anthony, he's probably showing up letting us know that we are on TikTok, the Anthony Berry 8625 channel on TikTok. And, he's, also, we could be on the seventeen seventy six ER Rumble channel. Of course, we're on eurofolkradio.com. That is the flagship station for the Radio Ranch, And there is a mirror stream on Spreaker, and you can get to that, by going to radio.globalvoiceradio.net. Those, two lengths Eurofolks and Global Voice Radio, those are also on expose the matrix, a website where you will find all kinds of correlated and associative information based on what we talk about here every day. Isn't that right, Rod?
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Pretty much, I think. So, we try and do our best, but for a cleansing whole operation, we don't have a great yes, sir?
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Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. I almost forgot. Homenetwork.tv and freedomnation.tv.
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Well, those aren't usually we're not usually on those on Saturday, are we? But maybe we are today. I don't know. I can't but it's, all I know is that I got this little little scam they've, developed here over a length of a long time. We got it dissected and analyzed, and we found the, remedy and the way out of their little maze. And it's mighty powerful, and a lot of people don't see it or wanna see it or can't see it. I don't know about that. I can't help that. Again,
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we've got the feds laying down, and we're still hacking away at the local fiefdoms, but we'll get there.
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Well, we'll get there. We'll know we're in tyranny and confront it, one of the two. And I I love to get these things down to an either or situation. It's either this or it's that. And that makes things so simplistic, doesn't it?
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Yeah. Not to not to, to add any, like, a racial bent into it. Dude, it's either black or white. It's either free Yeah. Yeah. Or you're a slave.
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Pretty much it. And, unfortunately, it's been pitted and set up and framed in this ethnic situation, and it's not, it's not that. It's a political situation. So, anyway, let's see. It's the Saturday show. Mentioned that already. We were going to start out and go over the thirteenth and fourteenth amendment. I was gonna do it primarily for the newer people. You guys some of you heard this before, obviously. But, it's important that that I think the new folks know that. So I was hoping that Ken and Demetrius would be with us. And are either one of you two, with us today?
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I am. This is Ken.
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Hey, Ken. Good morning. How are you? Getting up early early in California. Not too bad.
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Yeah. It's a good way to start the day.
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Yeah. It's a beautiful day in Ecuador today. We've had a little you know, it's been, very nice here. We've had a regular summer for a change. Last two years, there was a La Nina sitting offshore and totally screwed up the summer. We didn't even start summer till July a couple of years ago. And it's a distinct difference in seasons even though we're on the Equator, interestingly enough. And even though I'm South Of The Equator by a smidge, our our summer here mimics the Northern Hemisphere instead of the Southern Hemisphere, which I found quite interesting after being in Argentina. But, anyways, lovely day today here, and, we've had a nice summer. We've got a Wednesday. Was it day before yesterday? I didn't see the sun all day, which for the last couple of months has been unusual because we generally get sun most of the day in the afternoon. I'm gonna tell you, you get on the Equator and get sun all day long in the afternoon, man. It it gets real hot. Then temperature wise, it didn't feel like it, but good lord is it hot.
Big UV stuff here. So, anyway, nice day today in Ecuador. Ken, you you you haven't stumbled on to us too long, have you?
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I've been aware of you for about two weeks, but then just jumped on the show the first time that I was talking a couple of days ago.
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Yeah. Well, we're glad that you had found us and and took the initiative to join us. Okay? And,
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And I guess and I guess in addition to that, I really wanna thank, Daniel Mintz for, basically me introducing this because I think he does a great job in Southern California, both presenting your information and making it very acceptable, and palatable for for a lot of people to understand.
[00:09:19] Unknown:
That's good. You know, as I said, I as I was telling you the other day, it's just a well, it kinda shows you that it's got some kind of divine stuff here in what we're doing. And that is pretty well referenced, I think, by the fact that, you know, as I explained to you the other day when I went through the course, 300,000,000 plus, reduced down to $1,212,100 down to me. And if I wouldn't have carried this, and I think back, on it occasionally and almost shutter, really, that if it wouldn't have been, for the efforts and the way this grabbed me and the drive and motivation it's given me to look for answers, all this would have been lost.
Because certainly none of the other people out there know it, you know, that are teaching. You were you've been you were an Anavon. Right? I've been one to find somebody and say when when she instructs you to file paperwork and become a national first of all, she used to suggest you send it to the secretary of state of your state. I think keying in on the state citizen aspect of this and not knowing that the head say secretary of state is the guy. But what do they tell you when you file this and change status? Do they explain to you what it does for you?
[00:10:44] Unknown:
Essentially, they say the same basic things that you say. Okay? And so when I look at her process versus what you do here, there's fundamentally one difference, and that's that you get a note that you call for getting a notarized signature. So you get your own signature notarized on the statements that get sent. And so from my standpoint, what that does is that basically assigns that document a a creditor status. And so by doing that, you're providing a recognized bridge that they understand for traversing the land at the end of the world of commerce. What she does so so when you look at the paperwork and you just you distill it down to what it's saying, she uses a lot more words and she uses these things called deeds of reconveyance and orders of expatriation and all these other various things, but it essentially comes down to the same thing.
[00:11:46] Unknown:
Okay. Well, there's a big mistake on her part right there. You're not expatriating.
[00:11:51] Unknown:
Yeah. I I know. I know. But, I mean but when it when it comes when it comes down to the actual operative statements that carry the weight, I would say it's it's essentially the same thing. Now the the difference is what is it that creates the authority in her world versus what is it that creates the authority in in your world? And the difference there is that that she has avoided getting anything requiring anything to get notarized by the person requesting nationality. The only things that get notarized in the Ana process are what's called two witness testimonies, which is used as identification.
And what those are, they're basically two pieces of paper with your picture on it saying, I can born on you know, I'm the person who I say I am. And those documents get signed and notarized by two people who have known you for five, ten, fifteen years, some period of time. So those become your identification. But in nothing that I send to the secretary's secretary of state of The United States, secretary of state of, whatever state I'm living to, the secretary of state of my birth state, you know, IRS, blah blah blah, all the governors, all all that all the other folks. But those are the those are the primary people that get notified when I send this stuff out. Okay.
[00:13:30] Unknown:
Well, the secretary of state of your state, and we learned this kind of the hard way, just probing and and and the process aspect of this. The secretary of state of your state is now a political subdivision of the federal government. And mostly what they do, from what I can tell, is incorporate businesses and accept fees. Okay? So and the we this happened in Connecticut. You know, as I tell people, the way we get really definitive understanding and information is by pressing the envelope. K? And, we had a gal, Kaye, one of my original, students from years ago that, had personal stuff for a number of years, and and her and her husband came back around, and they had moved from California to Connecticut.
And, actually, Kaye is the one who brought us Joe. Joe was her grandson's guitar teacher. K? So you never know where this information goes. Right? But, anyway, Kaye was she's a real bulldog, and she, right at the start of COVID is when they started filing all this stuff. And I said, well, you you you don't have to, but you can file it at the property records office. And so the gals at the property records office where they live were not cooperating. First of all, she had to do it through email and phone, and the girl just said, no. We're not filing this. So I said, well, why don't you send it to the secretary of state? And the secretary of state would write back and say, do you have an account with us? Are you trying to open an account with us? Or we don't have you on record as a business, etcetera. And so finally, after a couple of those, said, well, realizing what the situation is, and I just said, let's take it over to the attorney general. He's the head law guy in the state. He can't say no. You know?
And the the process that we use is has been a development, really, and it's come from people trying things like Kaye that didn't work, and we step back and adjust our sights and point it in another direction. I'm pretty sure we got it right now. But you've got to, file it with the secretary of or the attorney general of your state. I you don't have to. But if you don't do that, you're not fulfilling the process and weaponizing your position. See, the way I see it when you file the affidavit with the secretary of state, what you're basically doing is leveling the playing field.
K? The playing field has not been leveled. I should drag out, since you're new, Ken, I should drag out John's old example here. Let's say the feds come to us, and they they challenge the patriots to a basketball game, winner take all. K? And so, the day comes, and the patriots are out there on the court, and they're in their little Nikes. And and they got their Air Jordans on, and they're throwing three pointers that never touch the metal, and they're doing layups and fancy passing and all that stuff and get warmed up. And then all of a sudden, the feds come out. But the feds don't have little Nikes on. They've got pads and long pants, and and they don't have Air Jordans on. They've got these black shoes on with this metal thing on the bottom, and they're carrying around this curved stick and throwing this little thing around at plus 100 miles an hour.
So, Ken, who you think is gonna win that game?
[00:17:00] Unknown:
Well, I would say, if it's a basketball game and they're playing by those rules, then the people who are set up to play that game, but it all depends upon what set of rules that game is set up to play.
[00:17:13] Unknown:
Well, you see, you hit the nail right on the head. We think we're playing basketball, and they're playing hockey. K? Yep. So that and that's what's going on, really. Okay? And so, if you wanna look at it in another way, the playing field has been shifted 45 degrees. We're trying to play uphill. Alright? And what you do when you file the affidavit is lower and level the playing field. Now, technically, what you're doing is moving back over under god's rights, god's protections, and you have got the duty. They hate the common law. They've always hated the common law because they can't beat it. Okay?
And so, when when you do that, you move over here, and it's just a whole different ballgame. As I was saying, that's one of the reasons Brent is on the show with me is because to my knowledge, he's probably the the number one expert in the country on the common law. That's what we're all moving back over under. I think we ought to maybe know something about it. You know? And so Yeah. That that that in the big picture, what we're doing is real simple. See? And I think that because people like Anna and David don't understand, again, the big piece that's missing for those folks is they don't know we're dealing with the feudal system.
And as my teacher, Glenn Ambor, still alive, says so accurately, if you don't know you're dealing with the feudal system here, you'll never do anything but shadowbox with it. K? And I hear this terminology, creditor, debtor, and living on the land and all that stuff, and it doesn't register with me, you know, because my way of looking at this is you're either free or you're a slave. Okay? I guess you could frame that in the debt or creditor thing. But isn't it simpler if you're trying to spread this and make it where people can understand it? Isn't it easier to say you're a slave or or free rather than are you a creditor or a debit? They don't understand that. You know? So my what I've strived to do here for a lot of years is to simplify this.
Because to me, the key is to be able to get something where we can get it out into mass numbers that people can understand so we can get numbers of educated people that can affect change. So to do that, it's gotta be simple. You know? The simpler it is, the more effective you're gonna be because of a well known principle called duplication, which is used all the time in an industry called network marketing. You gotta be able to duplicate that, duplicate yourself. And and that's kind of the way I've approached this to get it down to that simple formula. And it is really simple. You know? And now how they've done it is incredibly complex, and they had to do that to hide it.
One of the reasons I think they've gone to such lengths here is because this is their system. They built it. They've got to recognize it or, again, be open tyrants. K? So one of the reasons they've gone to the links here is because the remedy, a, is so damn simple, and, b, they've got to recognize it or they're open tyrants. And the effectiveness of it is, well, it's unarguable at this point, you know, twelve and a half years of teaching people this stuff, and and, never one time have we had any blowback from the feds that I've been informed of. Maybe some I don't know about, but I don't think so. But I've never been had one call from anybody who said this affected their life where they could even remotely attach whatever happened to them with filing this paperwork.
So it's very powerful, and what we've learned is they're scared as hell of this. You know? I can get on here and call them. I can tell them how much I hate them. I can I can I can bait them like they've been baiting Putin? Okay? And they won't put me on those hate lists. They won't even mention my name. K? Yeah. They're scared to death of this. Alright?
[00:21:31] Unknown:
The thing the thing I would say the the thing the thing I would say about what I've learned about Anna's process is that she's she's trying to go back to the the fundamental basis of how people, were would deal with, incoming incoming people, people people who wanted to patriot into The United States. And so she goes back to the very early paperwork of that. And she used that as the vehicle to basically extract out of the US citizen and back into what she calls an American state national, but basically a national of how however you wanna call it. And so Well the the the fact the fact that she has a little bit more her paperwork process has a very simple version, like a one page version, and a more complicated version. So I'm not I'm not trying to say that that she is only dealing with a creditor debtor thing or that she's whatever.
I'm not trying to put her in a box for how what she's using for the justification of her platform. The justification of the platform, the definition of the platform that she tries to move people into is fundamentally the same thing that you have here. Okay? But she uses a different mechanism. You use a a notary, She she uses her own private recording system to basically put the documents into the public, but it puts it in the public through a private vehicle versus using their vehicle.
[00:23:14] Unknown:
So Well, you see here That's Okay. Let's address this because it's important. She uses American State National. Right? And straight used State National and other people use variations. Right? Correct. Yeah. Okay. So, Ken, will you please go back through the statutes and regulations and find any place that this is referenced as an American State National?
[00:23:43] Unknown:
I don't think there's any place where it is referenced as an American state national. That's my that's exactly my point.
[00:23:49] Unknown:
Yeah. Okay? Yeah. See, knowing they've gone to great lengths to do this and hide it. Okay? So now that we know what they've done and now what we know what those words mean, using their exact words with the definitions that they've recognized because they put them in there is the key to the matrix. Using all these other terms and stuff, you can't find it anywhere.
[00:24:16] Unknown:
I agree.
[00:24:17] Unknown:
I agree. Okay. I do not agree. So that that's the key to this whole thing is using their words that they've contrived to set this up because they can't argue with it. Yeah. They can argue with oh, state national, American state national. They can argue with that and ignore you all day long till the cows come home, but they can't ignore this when it's their own stuff. And using their laws, their regulations, their rules, their history, their court cases is puts them right square in the corner. They can't do anything but recognize it or be open tyrants. And these guys will never be open tyrants because they know history a whole lot better than we do, and they know where that ends up.
K? Who said, hey, Roger, there a minute ago? That was me. It's Joe. Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe. Hey.
[00:25:09] Unknown:
So I'll say something about the paperwork that they do, right, that Antivan Rights Group does. When I went to court, they had all this paperwork. It's very uniform. It's it's it's the same person to person. Right? And so they actually got me confused with somebody else who must have submitted paperwork in because they handed it to me and they said, Is this yours? And I looked at it and I I had no idea what it was. And but I I did recognize some of the things that was being read. And as soon as I was like, I've never seen this before, they they snatched it out of my hand really fast. Right?
And, because I think what happened was that they have a way to handle these guys because of the uniform paperwork. But, see, the way the way we're doing it here with you, everyone does it on an individual basis, and they do it their own way. So, like, my affidavit is different than, you know, maybe, you know, Anthony's or or Paul's or, you know, sketches or, you know, miracles. Everyone's is different. Right? And it's because we all wrote it based off of the same principle, but from our own viewpoint. And I think that's what really got the judge and the the court clerk really confused because they didn't know how to address it because I'm standing out as an individual man rather than as part of a group, that may be just conforming to certain rules under that group. I don't really know what they do, but I noticed that they had a difficult time with me. I think it was because of that, the ununiform paperwork.
[00:26:50] Unknown:
Well, one of the excuses they can always drag out is we don't accept form letters, but they send out form letters. Okay?
[00:26:58] Unknown:
They get they Roger, they get the paperwork done for them, the students that learn with PS and
[00:27:06] Unknown:
here you know, Ken, it's like my my reason for not charging people for this is because if somebody pays you, then in their mind, they've paid and they sign a piece of paper and they go on about their life. Right? Well, in that instance, nothing changes because the world doesn't change. Alright? We've got to be the change. We've got to initiate the change. That's why I stress understanding the information and learning it so much. That's where the change is. That's where the change is gonna be in you, and that's where the change is. If we can affect change on any kind of scale, that is gonna be from people understanding the information and becoming empowered and becoming a strong empowered group of independent, free people.
K? And and that's my complaint with with people that pay to do this is the minute you pay somebody, well, I'm not gonna go study all that. Hell, I'd rather do this or do that or something else. Okay? So to me, it's the education part of this, and I've learned this the hard way, alright, personally, through my own growth. And then what happened was I got on the air finally and started teaching people. And then I started seeing people pop up like Daryl. Daryl and Brian Howard, who doesn't come around too much anymore at all, and some of these other folks. And when I saw them become empowered, I could recognize it in me.
K? And and and so
[00:28:36] Unknown:
I think that's true with everybody in this entire community. And so, I mean, first off, Anna doesn't charge for her stuff. She there's a small recording fee, but she doesn't really charge for the paperwork. You know, she's trying to run a large organization, on 50 states. So there there are server costs, and there there are costs going along with it. But when you when you consider all of it, it's pretty darn nominal. And Yeah. I think that the retention numbers that that she has within her organization, they all basically I mean, you you bring in a 100 people, there's probably only gonna be five or 10 that really step up to be a leadership role and really take the initiative to go do it. I mean, that that's just that's just law of averages.
And a lot of people hear it for a few times and they walk out, a certain bunch of people stick with it. And what where where I see that things get a little bit rough is that, very few people in the assemblies know how to teach. They they do a great job repeating the same story again and again and again, but designing the information as a nice seamless easy progression of a curriculum is a big hole. And and I would say from my standpoint, in terms of understanding how organizations work, not just Anavon Reitz or anybody else, when you set your organization up to be a teaching and a learning organization, people stay.
When it becomes stagnant and gets lost in a bureaucracy, people leave. Yep. That's Or the confusion.
[00:30:21] Unknown:
And and, you know, my advantage here, as I've said many times, was that John w Benson was my law teacher. K? And and John studied law his whole life on because he liked it. You know? And he didn't study it in law school where they've been controlling the curriculum for at least a hundred years. K? And he he studied it on his own, and he was particularly enamored with old law, old English law. And in all honesty, he lived his life in the 15 fourteen, fifteen hundreds. He was a renaissance man. Okay? Everything him and Glenn did was all futile influences and all that old law and all this stuff. He he lived it, man. Okay? Let me give you an example.
You you you you know, how how much time have you spent with them over there in this? You've been in this, what, couple years?
[00:31:15] Unknown:
With Annas, with with the assemblies. Yeah. I got in I got started in May 2020. So three years, but I've known about her. Couple years. Probably about that.
[00:31:25] Unknown:
Okay. Well, does she teach in there the legal meaning of the word person?
[00:31:30] Unknown:
Oh, got you. Thousand times a day.
[00:31:33] Unknown:
Yeah. What does she teach?
[00:31:36] Unknown:
Same thing. Corporation. You know, any any type of any type of entity, you know, generally a dead dead corpus. I mean, all all the same. I mean, it you can read it. I mean, she's got, like, 6,500 articles, and Right. Say 10% of those all thought repeat the same definition of person.
[00:31:59] Unknown:
Right. Which is a a corporate, boy. That's this is my litmus test question for patriots. I've been asking it all many years. Okay? And I've never had a correct answer from anybody in The US. And the only answer that I got that was correct was from my attorney in Argentina, which tells me they're teaching real law down there. K? So, the overriding answer is a corporate fiction.
[00:32:32] Unknown:
Yeah.
[00:32:33] Unknown:
And that's partially correct, but it's not correct. K? And this is the kind of stuff that John taught us. And when you learn this, then everything is clear cut. Okay? Here's the formula that rules the world, Ken, and others. Did Demetrius ever show up today? Demetrius with us yet, or is he playing hooky today? Okay. So the formula that runs the world is real simple. R plus d equals r. R plus d equals r. Pretty simple. Right? It's a hell of a lot simpler than e equals m c square. Alright? And what that formula stands for is rights plus duties equal remedies, and that formula covers every body of law in the world.
And the way that it does that is this word person. A person is an entity, keyword, entity, to whom the law ascribes rights and duties. An entity to whom the law ascribes rights and duties. Entity can be a lot of things. It can be a corporation, which it is. It can be a partnership, which it is. It can be a trust, which it is. Or it can be a human person, which is always, without exception in the law, labeled an individual. And the question is, from where do you get your rights and to whom you owe your duties? And so all persons born, fourteenth amendment.
What type of person is that? That's a federal citizen who receives civil rights from the federal government and owes the federal government the duties. So it's not are you a person, it's which person are you. Oh, well, no, your honor. I'm sorry. I put my affidavit into the secretary of state. I'm no longer a citizen of The United States. So I I I get no civil rights from the United States federal government. Therefore, I owe no correlative duties like income tax. Let me tell you this story. Years ago when I was in Atlanta early in this, we had a guy there named Charlie Gray who had a pretty thriving antiques business. You know, there are a lot of antiques in Atlanta and the South.
He had a big antiques business, and, he ran afoul of the IRS. He was a John Nelson student. You haven't heard that name, have you? John Nelson?
[00:35:12] Unknown:
Not John Nelson. No.
[00:35:16] Unknown:
Exceptionally proficient legal researcher. He's got a low profile now. He lives out in Colorado, and they murdered his sister and put a hit out on him evidently. And, he went underground, but he had a lot of impact twenty, twenty five years ago, thirty years ago. K? So Charlie was a John Nelson student. John Nelson was a great researcher. He couldn't teach he couldn't teach somebody how to wipe their butt. He was a terrible teacher. K? But, boy, he had great information. So Charlie was one of his students, and he got cross with the IRS, and he decided to do everything pro se. And he did a damn good job. K. Really did.
It's difficult to go into court for us folks in our school and trained in procedure. K? And so it's threatening too if you've never been there. So Charlie goes to district court against the IRS failure to file, and he did a very, very good job of subpoenaing witnesses. And he subpoenaed a couple of district court judges, actually. Got him on the stand. Okay? And, one of the district court judges, they were Jewish, and, you know, in in open court, I mean, people, jury, the whole nine yards, federal court, Illinois. And, he starts asking the judge. He said, did you take a cold knee injury oath last year?
Do you know about the cold knee injury?
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No.
[00:36:44] Unknown:
You ever heard of a, Jewish holiday called the day of atonement?
[00:36:49] Unknown:
Sure.
[00:36:50] Unknown:
Well, there's two. Yom Kippur and the day of atonement. Okay. Rosh Hashanah, I think they call it. That is on an annual basis where they go into the synagogue and they take an oath that they can lie, cheat, and steal for the next year without impunity, basically. Now before the sixteen hundreds, they would go into the synagogue and take an oath to forgive them of all the lying and cheating and stealing they'd done the previous year. But around that time, around sabotage v, they switched it to the upcoming year. So, basically, they're like James Bond. They got a license to steal. Okay? That's the Cole Nedre of. You can go look it up. So, anyway but one of the people that he, subpoenaed and got on the stand was the, district director of the IRS.
And so I was in the courtroom that day. K? And, here's little old diminutive Charlie. He's about five foot four. You know? Not nothing exemplary about Charlie. He's over there at the defense table. He's got the IRS district director on the stand, and he's asking him some questions. And the district director had some of those little half glasses on. You know, those reading glasses where somebody can tilt their head down and look over their glasses at you real stern like. You know what I'm talking about? And so he asked that guy a question, and he pulls out the three sections that the IRS always dings on is six zero zero one, six zero one one, and six zero one two regulations.
And so he pulls out the the regulation, and he starts reading it to Charlie in open court. And he it's a any person who and he reads it, and he looks over his glasses, and he turns his head down. He goes, you look like a person to me. Which one? And you could have heard a pin drop in that courtroom. And I maintain that that was when the jury convicted Charlie Gray, and they did. And he had to spend a year and a half in club fed down there in Atlanta where, Al Capone stayed. So this term person's real important, and I'm gonna tell you nobody in our movement understands it. And one of the reasons is because we can prove that they've been controlling the curriculum in law schools for a hundred years. And therefore, if they control the law schools, they control the curriculum, don't they?
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That dictates So what I like the word. Yeah. All that. Yeah. You can see it with Westlaw and the changes in blacks and all that kind of stuff. So I liken these guys to those scouts out in the Old West that were the real, real good scouts. And they'd sneak up the hill, look over the hill, and see customers forces down there. And then they turn around with a switch and back out and brush out their footprints. That's what these guys do. So another example of that is, John called up the dean of one of the law schools there in Utah. He was a devout Mormon. Called up the dean of one of the law schools one day and got him on the phone and said, well, I'm thinking about coming back to law school. Dean goes, well, man, we welcome you with open arms. Love to have you. And they get in a conversation, and John goes, I'm particularly interested in the word person.
And the dean goes, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We teach that. We teach it in a course called jurisprudence. It's an elective, and when enough people sign up for it, we teach it. And John astutely asked, when was the last time you taught it? Six years ago. So six graduating classes graduated from his law school, and they were never exposed to the meaning of the word person. That's why when you go out and present this stuff to lawyers, they don't know it. They were never taught it. They weren't exposed to it. That's why this old information is so critical. They've gone to great lengths to keep this out of our hands. Okay?
And when you learn that and learn the the formula and see how it interacts and did you receive your rights to whom you owe your duties? And then there's that other little word that's real important. It must be important. One word is equal to both of the other words on the other side of the equation, remedy. You hear a lot of people in our movement talk about rights. Most of them call them constitutional rights, which is inaccurate because, well, it's not inaccurate. It's just off point because the only rights the document gives you is civil rights under the fourteenth amendment. All the rest of the document is protection for people with god given rights.
K? So, you you get into this in-depth and you learn some of these accurate legal theories that have been around since Gaius, by the way, the accurate legal theories that have been around since Gaius, by the way. The guy that's accredited with inventing the law was a Roman named Gaius, g a I u s. He wrote a group of books called Gaius' Institutes. They're foundational. The whole first part of Gaius' Institutes is on the word person. Think it might be important?
[00:42:36] Unknown:
I I I look at what what Anna does and what basically all teachers do is everybody's kinda got an anchor point. And that that anchor point is the thing that that people said, oh my god. This is this is the holy grail. This is the thing that I really gotta elucidate here. And in in many regards, they're all right. Every single one of them is right even if you have a different anchor point. Right. Yes. And so what I'm I'm not gonna I'm not here to, you know, cast anybody to be a 100% correct and anybody else to be a 100% wrong. I'm gonna say there there's certain there's kind of greater levels of, functionality in what you're doing. You know, the process you have is is very straightforward. It's very simple.
It's it's kind of it's very unrebuttable because you're using all of the common technologies, words, and techniques that they're using. Alright? I get that. That's right. And so from from the individual or from the man or the woman coming in and saying, I wanna be protected. I wanna be truthful, within my own status. This is an amazing process to go. Let's be clear that Anna's focus, her her final goal is to reseat the counties, reseat the state, reseat all of the structure that she calls Federation of States, the Confederation of States, the Union of States, all these different things. She's got a whole understanding of how do we bring back the land jurisdiction on a massive scale.
That's her goal. And and this other thing of getting people papered up is just step one of, like, a 15 step process. And so what I'm what I'm looking at is saying the people that she that she's looking to bring into the organization are all of the people that wanna start filling and and seeding their county with their offices and their states with their offices. And so I look at it, and my my purpose when I came in, the first thing that I saw within her organization was where is she talking talking to all of the other truth leaders out in the world? Is she talking to all these other people that could at least understand what she's talking about and get the word out? And I would say that to everybody. So if we if we have 15 or 20 truth leaders out there, how come we don't have a truth leader conference that gets everybody together and says, look. Can we all agree on, let's say, five things that this world really needs?
And let's take our own particular acts out of the game and say, let's just focus on these five things. Because guess what? That's leverage to win in the big scale. Everybody can have their own technology
[00:45:38] Unknown:
with us. Have you ever tried to get any of these people in the same room? It turns into a hair pulling contest.
[00:45:43] Unknown:
Oh, I know. It's a it's a ridiculous it's a ridiculous issue. I've been my role in the assembly was ombudsman. I'm there to resolve conflicts. I'm trying to be able to to listen to people having differing sides, and I have to say, okay. What's the common theme that nobody can disagree with? And we'll start there and work down. And, you know, it turn I got I get frustrated with it. I just say, man, this is ridiculous.
[00:46:08] Unknown:
Bitch. Well, that's my point. I'm not this manna or trade. Okay? I'd like to think I'm a guy, a half a half glass half full guy. Okay? And I'd like to think that they're doing the best they can with what they've got to work with. And I'd like to think that there's no charlatans out there that are proffering this type of information. They're just trying to be what we call pay PAY credits. Okay? And there's been a bunch of them in this movement. Alright? So all I know to do is to go in there and teach what I know is true, this information that I was privy to because of my teacher that virtually nobody else knows.
Our enemies know it real well. Our people don't. Okay? And I don't see this as a group effort. She's using groups to try and accomplish a goal. I know how groups are. And you're always gonna have dissension and disagreements in there unless everybody's on the exact same page. K? And that's why we go back and teach these basics to individuals, hopefully, to get enough strong individuals to where we can pull that off, but without the dissension. K. So I have a different approach, different idea, different information, and all that kind of stuff. And the one thing that I do know is I know this is gospel.
I know it. Okay? Roger. I've seen react to it. Okay? I've seen them put my teachers in federal prison for fifteen and a half years on a bunch of trumped up bullshit just to get this information off the street. Samuel, what you got?
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Yep. And, I think I think one of one of the main things that's in the way of all of this is is, Roosevelt's emergency powers, which have never gone away. And those were really conjured up by the bank. The bank was stealing all the gold and couldn't support, the currency with it and wanted to blame it on the American people, so they stole all their gold instead. So that's the problem. That's the bottom line.
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They they didn't do this for the gold. The gold was just involved in the big plan. K? So Well, they were They don't focus on on it. They were embezzling the gold on the system
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is what I'm saying.
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They they they were embezzling. They couldn't support the system that they had built because they had been dazzled in a way. So then they blamed the people for it and stole their gold, and and they were emerging.
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And they totally planned that. They knew what they were gonna do, or else they wouldn't have set the fourteenth amendment up. And that's what I really wanted to cover today, but I'm off on this conversation with Ken. All of our courts are still
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in martial rule. That's why when you go to a traffic court, stare to cc's are nothing like that means anything. Special appearance doesn't mean anything. You're in a martial rule court. That thing is under martial law,
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basically. You're under you're under emergency rule, and that's why you'll get into a courtroom occasionally and bring up the constitution. And the judge will say, don't bring that document up in this courtroom. And the patriot stands there just bedazzled. What do you mean? K. Well, you're under the constitution alright, but you're not under the whole constitution. You're under the thirteenth and the fourteenth amendment.
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Rules of necessity.
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So, so anyway, Ken, I bet I I since, you've been sent to us, you're a sharp guy, obviously, and, you know, you've got a lot of skills and stuff from the little bit we know about you. And and, with people like that, I I'll I'll take the extra time with you. Okay? Because I see potential there. And I don't know what you're gonna do with this information. Hell, John and Glenn didn't know what I was gonna do with it. You know? All I know is to put the information, infuse it into people, and let the information motivate and guide them. K?
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Roger, just wanted to let you know that Bama's on the call too.
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Okay. Good. So And I'm not trying to exclude Bama. Okay? So, what, what I really want to do is go back over the history of this and show you how preplanned it is, Ken. Okay? Absolutely. But first, let's go back to what hooked me originally with this in those seminars is Revelation 18. Alright? Revelation 18 is an incredibly important verse. It's a series of verses, obviously. And it starts out, of course, written by, the chairman of the jury as Brit calls him John, the only one that wasn't murdered that died in chains in Patmos in a slave mine. Okay? And he wrote Revelation.
And, Revelation is very revealing, obviously, but this particular set of verses in 18 to me is even more so than it may be to you by the time we get finished. So I'm not sure how familiar you are with that, but it starts out Babylon, oh, Babylon The Great has fallen in an hour, and the merchants of the world wail, for they can no longer sell their merchandise. You familiar with that?
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Yes.
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Okay. Right underneath that, it says come out of her, my people. Come out of her. That repeats it twice. Not very many times. I'm not the great bible scholar. Okay? But there's not too many times that I can remember here in the Bible where it repeats something twice, and I gotta figure that's for emphasis. Okay? So come out of her, my people. Come out of her. Now underneath that verse, the there's a couple of verses I call the remedy verses. Back to this little remedy thing on the other side of the equation. And it says, fill her cup double what she serve you. Fill serve her double what she serve you. It's kinda repetitive right there. Well, I had somebody say, well, that's god telling you what to do. What it it doesn't say I'm going to fill her cup double.
It says fill her cup double, and right above that, this says come out of her. Well, I think that we are the remnant and that we're supposed to come out of her. Okay? And I believe those remedy verses are to be executed by the rim by the remnant. There's certainly god's not gonna do it. He doesn't say he's gonna do it in there. He says you do it. Okay? Now down if you go down a little bit, there's a a list of about 21 items, 22 maybe, of the items that the merchants are wailing about because they can no longer sell them. Alright? And it says your gold, your silver, your frankincense, your myrrh, your ivory, your this, your that. Long list of items.
And at the very last one, it says, and bodies and souls of men.
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Mhmm.
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So I dare say in advance the fact that they can't buy and sell you if they don't own you. Mhmm. So this is predicted in Revelation. It does not say except for The United States Of America. Didn't say that. It just says bodies and souls of men. So what we're dealing with here, at least in my mind, is the beast system of revelation. Now to buttress that, there's an article. It's on the website there. Happened right at the first COVID. I don't know if you heard about it or not. It's over in England. And, a mother had the baby, and they're checking the new babies for COVID, ridiculous as it sounds.
And they're using the PCR test where they jam that long, Q tip up the nose, and the baby starts squalling. And the mother's right there. Doesn't have a birth certificate yet. It just got born. Okay? And the mother objects because the baby is is discomforting discomforted by this thing. And the nurse the nurse turns to the mother and says, you can't object. This baby's our property. So there's the same thing. Right? Birth, property. Well, this is the b system revelation. This is where it all is. K? Assigning a political status determined on where you're born, not who your parents were, and bringing in underneath it because of that element, the feudal system where you're their property.
This is a worldwide system. You know, a couple of years ago when Obama was in and he went over to Paris to sign the Paris Peace Accords, the one that Trump yanked us out of immediately, and, at the last minute on that conference, they added two different things to the accord they were signing. One of them, everybody born in the world has a birth certificate, and everybody born in the world has an ID tied to that birth certificate. This is the b system revelation we're dealing with here. Yeah. They've been planning this a long time. Long time. K?
You go back to civil war days. What led up to it? And, you know, we talked about it a bit yesterday. It's what kinda led into this conversation today. And, there was all kinds of dissensions in the country, and it was exacerbated by, let's call it, the Jeffersonian South versus the Lincolnian North. Good way to frame it. K? So Jefferson was more on constitution and and all those things, and it was, if you go back and look at the economics of the day, it's fascinating. Every Southern state had more per income capita per income than any northern state. The richest states in the country were the Southern states.
Interestingly enough, number one switched back and forth between South Carolina and Mississippi. Mississippi, who's perennially at the bottom of every list you look at now. K? Yeah. Mississippi was highest per capita income in the country. Alright? At the Delta. So they use well, yeah. They did. They had the Mississippi River and the cotton growing. But, Well, the rich land. The rich land. Yeah. The rich land and and a way to get it and a crop that everybody wanted and a cash crop and all that stuff. And, of course, there there's where the necessity for slave labor came from, really. So, anyway, it was the tariff difference, as we mentioned yesterday, that they used even though they covered it with the with the slave thing. It was underneath the tariffs and the friction exacerbated by the use of them that pitted these two against each other.
Just like where in 2014, we went in and did an overthrow in the Ukraine, the Maidan. And then for the last however many years, the Ukrainians have been shelling the Donbas and the other areas in Crimea there. You know, they killed 15,000 Crimeans over a period of eight years or so before they then Russia did a referendum. They voted 98% to be Russian just like Austria voted to be German under Hitler. And so then the Ukrainians start shelling them, long distance artillery, and they they've killed an estimated 15,000 people. Just artillery shells dropping in your town.
And finally, Putin moves in. Well, then they go, oh, the evil Putin invaded Ukraine. Well, this is just exactly like setting up the civil war with the tariffs. But I maintain now that we know the endgame that we can look back and see that these this was premeditated all the way back to those days. And as I started thinking about it, and I've only recently come to this conclusion, fairly recently, last few years, just because all I'd I'm totally immersed in this. When I'm not with you guys and I'm out eating lunch or doing something, I sit there many times alone, and this is what I think about.
And I go into all these situations like, what didn't I see before? What could I see better? How could this affect something else that I hadn't noticed? And I'm constantly probing this in my mind. K? I mean, it's I live with this. K? And so it hit me, and I started looking at because we talk about the fourteenth amendment all the time, but we don't talk about the thirteenth amendment too much. You know? And the thirteenth amendment was existing one? No. Not the original. The the one that they've got in there now. Okay. K. So they got rid of the, original one and brought in this one and called it the same number. Okay? I I we don't get off into that too much. Alright?
So, anyway and the new one and if you may not know the history, I didn't. After the civil war, they let the southern legislators back into congress to vote on the thirteenth amendment. Now isn't that interesting? So here they fought a war over all these differences, but they let the legislators in from the thirteenth amendment. Now that was in June 1868. In December by December, when they voted on the fourteenth amendment, they went back and kicked all the Southern states out of the union. Here's these guys who fought a whole war, 600,000 people died or whatever, to try and remove themselves from the union, and they lose, and then the union kicks them out until they ratified the fourteenth amendment.
And if they didn't ratify the fourteenth amendment, they sent scallywags and all the all the the army and stuff down there, and they'd go into the state and they'd replace the legislature with all these new freed blacks and and and and what did they, There was a name for those people that come down. I can't remember it right now. Anyway, they'd fill up the legislature with those people, and they'd burn the law libraries.
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So they brought in a wholly whole different led legislature, but from the, what, from the preexisting states.
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It was different people. Well, if it was if the state back to a state, not the state. If a state would not ratify the fourteenth amendment, they'd replace the legislature, and they would burn the law libraries. Okay? They just kept the jail. And they wouldn't let him back in until they ratify the fourteenth amendment. Well, that that's kinda interesting, isn't it? Kinda unusual. By the way, do you know that The US is the only country in history that ever fought a war to end slavery? No. I didn't know that. Now isn't that unusual?
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And the reason is federal government distributing was the federal government distributing money to the states at that time? So so I don't know. I I don't know a lot of
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I I I doubt it. Well, probably to maybe to the Northern states, and I don't know. It's not really super relevant to what the point I'm trying to make here. But the, the fact is the reason that stands out in history is because they didn't fight a war to end slavery. They fought a war to get a system in place where they could enslave everybody. The dialectic principle here is really important to understand and to incorporate in all your thinking because you can always find the answer in the dialectic because their whole deal is based on dialectics. Just the foundation of everything they do. K?
So the thirteenth amendment says neither I'm gonna paraphrase it here. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude shall exist in the states unless a person has been duly convicted of a crime. And then it says couple other things, and it says in their jurisdictions. Their. So theirs, plural. Federal government, singular. So, obviously, it's referring to the states. This is the setup. These guys never do these things they're accomplishing are so big, they can't do it in one step. They've gotta use gradualism, and they've gotta use, in this case, about four steps, maybe five.
Usually, they cock the trigger and pull cock the hammer and pull the trigger, basically. K? So this is the cocking of the trigger. And what keys you into it, if you understand what's going on, is the word there. Because when you look in the fourteenth amendment and it says, all persons born or naturalized in The United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof. That's singular. So there's the plural, and there's the singular. What's going on here? We gotta think like our enemies. Well, we we gotta think like our enemies a little bit. What what were they really trying to accomplish? Their end game was to get everybody in the country into the federal status.
Because now they're slaves, and they can pull all their funny stuff off. They got the credit spout so they can leaven leaven the Pharisees so they can leaven up a whole international monetary system off that credit spout. And when they got you in their jurisdiction, they can also build an administrative state of unelected bureaucrats to make man made laws to govern you. Those are the two big objects that I see that they were trying to accomplish. That's the reason they use the feudal system because they get a property right in you and they can do these things. K?
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The one thing I'm missing is that that you have to realize is that, when Lincoln did the executive order to reconvene congress, he didn't, obviously, as you know, he couldn't couldn't do that as a as a dessert dessert officer of of United States. And so at the same time, there was a name change so that The United States became basically municipal corporation. And at that point, they they had to declare that martial law. No. Hold on, Samuel.
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Please.
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They had they had the 100% ability to do everything because no number one, nobody objected. And the second thing is is the implied consent was never butted.
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Well, they they do everything on presumption, and that's why what we do works is because we rebut the presumption before they get started. Okay. Let's address this corporate issue. The the the federal government wasn't incorporated until 1871. We're talking about 1868 here. K? And according to Larry b Craft's research, and Larry b Craft may have his faults, but he's a hell of a good legal researcher. K? And according to Larry Beecraft's research, they unincorporated it in 1874. Alright? But even before the incorporation, the fourteenth amendment says subject to the jurisdiction thereof.
Singular. So there was a singular power there before an incorporation. K? So let's look at the two ways that what they were trying to accomplish. Their goal was to turn all these people with god given rights that were state citizens into federal citizens eventually. That's why the thirteenth amendment is so critical in that word there. That's the big net that they were going to eventually cast over the states and trick your ass into being a federal citizen. Now look at the fourteenth amendment. It says, all persons born or naturalized in The United States, comma, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, comma, are citizens of The United States and the state wherein they reside.
Notice the fourteenth amendment does not say all persons born or naturalized in The United States, comma, are subject to the jurisdiction thereof, does it? It says and. If there are people that are and subject, there are people that are and not subject to the dialectic again, aren't there? Okay. There are I've I've I forget what's eight or nine. There's at least eight legal landmines in that sentence. At least eight. Person, born, naturalized, United States, and subject, jurisdiction, citizen of The United States, state wherein they reside. Every one of those is a legal landmine. Now notice when you analyze it, I'm I don't know how familiar you are with law. K? You can or other people listening, Bama, or whoever.
But if you go in and you study law, many times you'll see when they're trying to reach a conclusion, they'll go, well, there's a two part or three part or four part test. If you meet this and this and this and that, then this applies. They call them tests in law. Okay? So the fourteenth amendment, when you really look at it and analyze it, is a two part legal test. First part is you gotta be born or naturalized in The United States, and the second part is you gotta be and subject to the jurisdiction thereof. Right?
Yeah. Okay. So if you're both of those things, then it tells you you're a citizen of The United States and the state wherein you reside. Right? Well, there's the two questions. Are you a citizen of The United States or are you a resident? They're right there in the fourteenth amendment. And if you're those, then you're subject to the jurisdiction thereof, and you meet both tests of the fourteenth amendment. And, hey, guess what? You're a federal slave. Right? Exactly. How do you rebut out? Which is who asked me what you're doing. So how did they know they were gonna start asking you those questions in the next century?
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They deal with a hundred year plan.
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They knew this going in. It was totally set up, but you can't identify that unless you know the endgame. Now that we know the endgame and how it's set up and operates, well, there's the two questions. They had the two questions in the legislation in 1868. Yeah. Yeah.
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I think, I would surmise is that they basically devised this whole plan after after Jackson. They looked at it Probably. Cannot we cannot do it with a head on approach. We have to be able to find another way that cannot be defeated because people will not see it coming.
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I I look at it exactly like that in that same time frame and them going back to the drawing board because you know the Supreme Court ruled against Jackson there. Did you know that? Yeah. Jackson vetoed the second bank. Bankers got it to the Supreme Court, and they ruled against president Jackson on that. And he said, let them enforce it. And so we go then. Guess what else happened right around that time frame, Ken? I know you don't know. I'm just playing. I like to ask questions. Okay? The other really key thing that happened in 1837, the Rothschilds established reform Judaism.
How did that affect The US, though? I mean, I can see that definitely impact Europe. But it gave them the setup to get together for all these Talmudists and set up the immigration, that went on later and all of that kind of stuff. But that's real key. Don't forget in the previous century on March 05/01/1776, they established the Illuminati. K? Yeah. And Yeah. Whether they had this plan scoped out at that point, I don't know. K? We'll never know, obviously. But as you can see the progress of events, and they get rid of the first bank, and then they get rid of the second bank. And these guys go back and say, we're gonna set up a system that's gonna enslave these sorry bastards, and they ain't even gonna have a chance of understanding what's going on.
There was some letters. There was a Rothschild single. He died young in his twenties. He was from France, I believe. He's one of the Rothschilds, and he was over here on a tour of North America. And some of his letters are in the National Archives. And in one of his letters, he makes this statement. Judah p Benjamin has to be the most brilliant mind on the continent. Isn't that an interesting statement? Wow. You know who Judah p Benjamin was?
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You've mentioned him a couple times, and I I wasn't really aware of him before, I heard the name He was hang it up.
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Well, he was a Jew. He lived in Louisiana. He was a plantation owner, and he married a slave girl. The generals of the South called him Jefferson Davis' pet Jew. There's some insinuation there may have been some homosexuality involved there. Whether that's true or not, I don't know. I've just heard it. Okay? But he had Jefferson Davis' ear, and the Southern generals hated him. He was the one in the very first battle of the Civil War, Manassas, when the North didn't have a force yet and the South did, and they could have literally walked in and taken over Washington DC at Manassas, and Judah p Benjamin called them back.
Now later on in the civil war, Judah p Benjamin and and Jefferson Davis were going from wherever they were in the South up to Richmond, and they had all the South's gold. And they got around Savannah, and Judah p Benjamin said, you go on. I'll meet you in in Richmond. And he got the South's gold. There was a ship waiting for him in Savannah that took him to the Caribbean on a super fast British whatever, and they took the gold and they took Judah p Benjamin and they sailed him back to England, and he ended up knighted and the head barrister for the crown.
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A man of multiple allegiances.
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There's still a statue of Abraham Lincoln today in Westminster. It did not get torn down. Oh, don't don't
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forget, Benjamin. Judah Benjamin
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burned all the papers, everything about civil war. Well, I don't I didn't know that, Murr, but it wouldn't surprise me a bit. By the way, Ken, an audience in New Orleans where they in the middle of the night with mayor Landrieu, brought a crane there and took the statue of Robert e Lee out of Jackson Square right there by the river. They left the statue of Judah p Benjamin standing a couple blocks away.
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They took the image out of the search engine, so if you wanna try to find it.
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Wow. So this is some of that deep hidden history. K? But because we now know what the endgame was, was to eventually enslave everyone in The US and then make the dollar the world reserve currency that's based on your future labor so they could control the world and its commerce through the dollar. That's the outvent. That's the end game of the fourteenth amendment. And the thirteenth amendment, because of that little word there, t h e I r.
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And you've covered a lot of detail here. This is, this is incredible. I
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it's unbelievable. Now a couple of times through history between when they implemented it, Paul, would you go look up Downs v Bidwell and get that site for us and read it to us when we get to it, if you could, please? So immediately after the passage in the next few years, there was a couple of real important court cases. I try not to bring court cases and studs, statutes, and regulations in here because they confuse people, and that's part of the reason I try and simplify this as much as possible. K? But there's times when those things come in very valuable, and that's now. Okay. So in 1868, they ratified it.
It was originally by the way, the working title of the fourteenth amendment was called the Civil Rights Act of 1866, and it was introduced by a railroad lawyer from Ohio. K, senator. So we go along, and in the 1878, I believe, was one of the first challenges, at least at the Supreme Court, and it wasn't had nothing to do with blacks. It was with Indians. And the case is Elk, e l k, Elk v Wilkins. K? And so the story on it is Elk was an Indian. He came off the reservation because he wanted to vote. He went to the registrar's office. Wilkins was the registrar. Wilkins said, you're an Indian. I'm not registering you to vote. You can't be a citizen of The United States. So Elk leaves.
Election day comes. He comes off the reservation and goes to the polls. Wilkins, being the registrar, is sitting on the polls, and he won't let him vote. So he sued him, went all the way to the Supreme Court. Supreme Court said, you're not black. You can't be a citizen of The United States. You're an Indian. So right there, they were recognizing sovereignty, weren't they, within the country? Okay? And in that case is the only case where that middle phrase of the fourteenth amendment was covered and subject to the jurisdiction thereof. And it says that phrase means completely subject to the political jurisdiction.
Now that phrase in that case is cited again in another one we're gonna talk about in just a second. K? So that was 1878. We go through the eighties. We get into the eighteen nineties. During this whole period of time, we got Jim Crow. Right? Black, white, black, white, black, white. So there's a lot of people that wanna challenge that. There was a progressive it's funny how how so much of this stuff comes out of Louisiana, really. So there was a progressive newspaper in New Orleans, and I don't remember the name of it. One of our real good students who doesn't join us, but probably listens still, Lauren.
Boy, a a real a real female lioness right here. Lauren saw a couple of years ago a commemoration of this case, And it was some kind of a I don't remember the commemoration date. But, anyway, they, she sent me an article on on this case and this situation so we know more background on it. Okay? So there was a progressive newspaper in New Orleans, and they wanted to challenge the Jim Crow laws. And so they put out a a call for donations, and they raised about $3,000, which I'm sure in the eighteen nineties was a good bit of change. And, they went out and found a subject, and his name was Plessy, p l e s s y. This is the most important case, Ken and Bama, that you'll never hear another Patriot researcher talk about. And, man, it's pivotal.
K? Plessy v Ferguson. And I encourage you to go read about it. I'm a tell you about it. K? Plessy v Ferguson was in 1896, I believe. They went out and found this guy, Plessy. And I say found him, they had to hunt for him because Plessy was nine tenths white and one tenth black. So they dressed Plessy up in his Sunday best, took him to the train station on an intra not inter, intrastate railroad only within Louisiana. So state law applied. And they got Plessy dressed up in his Sunday best. They took him to the train station. They had the newspapers there, including theirs, and they had the guards that they'd hired to arrest him. And they ran plus a n to the white only railroad car.
Then they arrested him, took him off, went to court. The first judge ruled against him. His name was Ferguson. So they enjoined him in the case, went to the Supreme Court. K? And the Supreme Court came back and said, nope. Separate but equal. So, Ken, how can white drinking fountains and black drinking fountains, white restrooms, black restrooms, etcetera, how can those be equal?
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They clearly are not.
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Well, they are on one level. They both had a political status. One's inferior to the other, but they both had a political status, didn't they?
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And now that's a major
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that's a this is a major obstacle these guys had to overcome. Separate but equal. Whitey is a state citizen. Jim Crow was a federal citizen. Jim Crow had civil rights. Whitey had god given rights. It's not a racial question. This is a political status question.
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So just out of curiosity, were any of these terms, redefined within the dictionaries at the time to include a wider definition?
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I I don't know, and I don't think so. Well, most people didn't have any idea, especially hidden underneath of this feudal system. See? Okay. They just knew they're black, so, obviously, they're citizens of The United States. So that was in 1896. Now two years later, one of the most important cases to ever hit the Supreme Court hit. If you remember back when Obama was in and all the birthers that were trying to say he doesn't have birth certificate, this is the case they used. Okay? Because it is the biggest case in the history of our country at the Supreme Court on where all these issues are addressed.
Okay? And that case is called US versus Wong Kim Ark. Yeah. Wong Kim Ark. You may have heard of that case before. It's got it's got some legs. You know? So in the descent of Wong Kim Ark, chief justice Fuller, who was chief justice of the Supreme Court, he was from Maine. He he was a real estate lawyer in Chicago and somehow got to the supreme court and got to be chief justice. So he understood real estate law and land law. Okay? By the way, here's an interesting little tidbit for you. Do you know that the term estate means less than true ownership? So, Bama, when you're talking about real estate, right there in the title and the label, you've got less than true ownership because estate is what a king gives to the nobles in the feudal system.
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Very different than property.
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Very. And property, we we misuse that. If you wanna use it legally, we misuse that phrase. See, we say I say, Ken, you just paid for that car out there, man. I guess that's your property now, and you'd say yes. And we'd all understand what we're talking about. This another angle they work on is these two twin levels. They use a colloquial definition. They use a highly technical definition. We, not knowing the technical definition, rely on the colloquial definition to try and go into court, and we get our asses beat every time because we don't know the definition they're working on.
Yeah. Okay? Yeah. Property is a right. Colloquially, we call it property. Legally, it's called a thing. And property is your right in into the thing. Slight shift, but pretty damned important. Okay? Yeah. So Wong Kim Ark, a little background on it. He was a Chinaman. Wong Kim Ark was born in The United States. His parents immigrated to California. He was born. As he got older, he wanted to go back to China and see his grandparents. Went back to China, came back, no problem, got in. Few years later, wanted to go to China again, went back to China, went to come back. And at that point, it was out west, The discriminate, discrimination against the Chinese was somewhat akin to the discrimination of the blacks in the South. K?
So there's a big movement against the Chinese. Alright? And the second time he comes back, the immigration guy won't let him in even though he was born in The US. So at that point, the the Chinese were getting so discriminated on that they were the only outlet they had was the court system. So all of a sudden, tens of thousands of court cases are starting to be filed and jamming up the whole court system. So they let one case get up to the Supreme Court, US versus Wong Kim Ark. K? In the dissent in Wong Kim Ark, I should have sent it to Paul, and he could read it here. I'm gonna paraphrase it for you. K? You had chief justice Fuller, who'd been chief justice for over ten years, and you had one of the greatest justices our country's ever produced named John Harlan.
Are you familiar with John Harlan at all? Does that name come up, Ken, to you? Yeah. It does. Yeah. He's he's he's one that I've, studied a it's a modern amount, probably about four or five years ago. An interesting guy. Well, he was so great. He had his own nickname. They called him the great dissenter. And in just a minute, I'm gonna give you a sample of that, and Paul reads his site to us a couple years later. Right now, we're talking about Wong Kim Ark in 1898. And in the dissent on Wong Kim Ark, Harlan and Fuller nailed this.
They nailed it. They saw it. Okay? And the short thing I'm gonna paraphrase for you is according to the act if the act is according to the rule, they're talking about the Civil Rights Act of 1866, the working title of the fourteenth amendment. It it they're saying it brought the feudal system into the country for the first time. It was the relationship between a liege man and a liege lord. You seen those old movies where the guy takes his fist and bumps his armor and goes, yes, my liege. Yes, my liege. Right?
[01:29:11] Unknown:
Yep.
[01:29:12] Unknown:
That's the relationship between a liege man and a liege lord. This is the basis of jurisdiction. It comes from the feudal system, and it's allegiance for protection, protection for allegiance. That's why in the current statutes, it says a national owes total allegiance to a small less state. Well, if you owe total allegiance, then the state reciprocally has to give you protection, protection for allegiance, allegiance for protection, jurisdiction. That's where it comes from. K? So in that little part in the dissent, and they say this is the relationship of a liege man to a liege lord, and it is absolute and unbending and unchanged by time or space.
And it comes onto our country just as England is being relieved of its inconveniences. These guys didn't know the endgame like we do, but they saw what was happening and put it in that decision. It's there. K? So two years later, we get a group of cases that come to the Supreme Court where, like, the slaughterhouse cases, which we had brought up out of Louisiana, A bunch of cases, and they just pile them all together and call them plural. Well, this group is called the insular cases. And most of the cases dealt with all this territory that we were acquiring on the other side of the world through the Spanish American War and The Philippines and all these islands. And in one of that grouping was a little island called American Samoa, which becomes incredibly important.
Okay? So one of the cases in the Insular Cases is Downs v Bidwell, and Harlan wrote the dissent. Paul, have you got that keyed up?
[01:31:28] Unknown:
Yeah. I have Downs v Bidwell.
[01:31:31] Unknown:
And Okay. If you look down Wikipedia a little ways down the page, unbelievably unbelievably, this site from that case is in Wikipedia.
[01:31:47] Unknown:
Actually, I'm not looking in Wikipedia. I'm just yeah.
[01:31:51] Unknown:
And if you just go over to Wikipedia, they pull the site out of there. K? It's just a little ways down on the page, but, you read it the other day. But this is Harlan. And if we I'd I'd rather have Paul read it because it's so damn much more eloquent than I can paraphrase it. K?
[01:32:13] Unknown:
So Roger, just wanted to let you know, Demetrius jumped on too, and Heather's here. Okay. And Heather from Michigan.
[01:32:21] Unknown:
Okay. Great. Glad to have you guys on board. So, if we can get this, it's just so eloquent. Harlan was he was an outstanding jurist. Probably one of the finest jurors our country's ever produced. And you know what's interesting? Kent, you said you knew a little bit about him. He was from a blue blood family in Kentucky, and his son followed him on the bench. John Harlan junior served as a supreme court justice also. Very interesting. And he was called the great dissenter. He had his own name. He was always dissenting. Okay?
And this one that a listener brought us one day, I wasn't familiar with it, is just such an outstanding bit of oratory, and it's so illustrative of this time frame story that we're going over here. K? Paul, did you get it yet?
[01:33:17] Unknown:
Yeah. The, the thirteenth amendment to the constitution prohibiting slavery and involuntary servitude within The United States or any place subject to their jurisdiction is also significant as showing that there may be places within the jurisdiction of The United States that are no part of the union. To say that the phraseology of this amendment was due to the fact that it was intended to prohibit slavery in the seceded states under a possible interpretation that those states were no longer a part of the union That's is to confess the very point, but I'm I'm not getting to it, is to confess the very point in the issue since it involves an admission that if these states were not part of the union, they were still subject to the jurisdiction of The United States.
Upon the other hand, the fourteenth amendment, upon the subject of citizenship, declares only that all persons born or naturalized in The United States are subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of The United States and of the state wherein they reside. Here, there is a limitation to persons born or naturalized in The United States, which is not extended to persons born in any place subject to their jurisdiction.
[01:34:46] Unknown:
And don't forget, they naturalized people they naturalized people in the states before the fourteenth amendment, and the fourteenth amendment brought it into federal naturalization. That's not the part. Ladies and gentlemen, we have two forms of government at the bar. That's the side I'm looking for. Okay. I'm gonna paraphrase it. Okay. Rather so it says, ladies and gentlemen, the bar, we've got two different forms of government at the bar here. One is under our constitution, and the other mimics the monarchies of Europe. He's so much more eloquent than I can get this across. Okay? And heaven forbid the day that we fall under that form of government, basically.
So what Harlan saw was the two separate forms of government being brought up, and it revolved around these islands that, these disputes came out of on the other side of the world. This is where they were setting up American Samoa. Again, this is how far in advance these guys work because that was nineteen o one, and they didn't pull the string on the national thing until 1940. K? So, Downs v Bidwell is just another example of the places someone has seen what was going on, but they didn't really know. But they could see them forming this. Okay? So that was nineteen o one.
If we get up into William McFadden's talks, on the house from that little book that came up yesterday, the collective speeches of William t McFadden. If you wanna know what was going on historically, financially, and all the rest at this point in time, I don't believe there's a better resource I could point you to than the collective speeches of Louis t McFadden. It was 31 speeches between 1931 and 1933 until they killed him. Okay? And he saw what was going on. He called them out, put articles of impeachment in against them that have still never come out of committee. But one of the things he said, it's included in my book, they're erecting a Machiavellian feudal system.
Now McFadden saw it. Fuller and Harlan saw elements of it. K? So there were people between the the civil war and when this happened that did, with their incredible insight, see what they were planning and called it. K? So, of course, in, '33, they pulled the string. At that point, they switched everybody into the federal status as sureties for the fraudulent bankruptcy. And we know this and that they were gonna do it by a piece of paper that was found in Woodrow Wilson's effects in a note that was written to him by colonel House, his handler. And it's I think we've got it on the website. I know it was in the book.
It's a short paragraph relatively, and it starts out, we will make them sureties by invoking the ancient pledge. That says some other stuff down there. At the end, he says, if anybody ever find figures this out, we've got plausible deniability. No. Sorry, colonel House, and you slaving pieces of crap. You ain't got no plausible deniability. Sorry. K? What's the ancient pledge, Ken?
[01:38:37] Unknown:
Yeah. The feudal pledge. Oath of fealty. Yeah.
[01:38:43] Unknown:
It's called the oath of fealty. You can see it in the Monty Python movie, Holy Grail. You can go read about it. This is when someone volunteered in the feudal system into voluntary servitude. Yeah. Now when you did that, you went in to the lord of the manor, and you knelt on both knees, and you put your hands above your head as if you were praying. He put his hands over your hands. All the rest of the serfs from the manor were witnesses and surrounding the ceremony, and you would pledge your body and your worldly goods to the lord of the manor. Now that's really interesting. Okay.
You're pledging your body as property. He's now got a property right in you and your worldly goods. Why would you pledge your worldly goods to him?
[01:39:44] Unknown:
Because everything you have is now his property.
[01:39:48] Unknown:
You are Well You are Look at it this way. You're right. Okay? But look at it this way. Now he has a property right in you, so you can't have a property right in anything, can you? Property can't own property. There's your dialectic. Okay. So you pledged your body and your worldly good. Now if you wanna verify this, go to Black's Law Dictionary, and what you wanna look up is a term villain. We pronounce it villain. That's the English pronunciation. Don't forget it was brought over from Europe and France. So a lot of this stuff is v I l l e I n in blacks. And if you go look at villain, you'll see a number of different kinds.
It's different descriptions and whatnot. We think they're using the term villain regardant. And in the definition of villain regardant, it says a villain attached to the land property and transferable by deed. Birth certificate.
[01:41:04] Unknown:
Typical. Bond. Typical serf. Typical serf. Yep.
[01:41:09] Unknown:
K. Now in that agreement, what you did in that ceremony was you entered a contract. It was a contract. It was witnesses. K? Now this is one of those weird examples of, yes, it is contract. Okay? But it's a contract you've never heard of. You you've never heard of a silent contract that runs generationally? No. Well, that's what this is. Because now you're the object of this of the lord's property. Right? So when you and mama get amorous and have a child, child's born into the same condition. Mhmm. You can't own the child. He owns you. He owns the child.
Just exactly as if you had a bull and a cow out in the back pasture and they had a calf, that calf's yours, isn't it?
[01:42:05] Unknown:
That's just very interesting. You look on The US passport application, and it asks for your name of your parents. Are your parents US citizens or not? That's that we and that's very interesting, and you're right. K? So let's get to it because that's part of their setup right there. Alright?
[01:42:22] Unknown:
So this is a silent contract that runs generationally, and it doesn't matter if you're eight generations away from the guy that joined into the condition. You get the opportunity to volunteer out because the whole thing's based on voluntary servitude. This is why they've got to recognize the affidavit.
[01:42:48] Unknown:
Yeah. It's all about consent.
[01:42:51] Unknown:
Okay. It is all. It's totally about you deciding what you wanna do and who you are. K? So that's the underlying deal that's running on here in 1933 in March. They put everybody, just like Hal said, in the sureties in this condition, utilizing the ancient pledge with these underlying, ingredients. That's why everybody that's been born since 03/09/1933 has been born into a condition of servitude. But what have they got to do to lock hold it. Hold it. What have they got to do to lock you in? They gotta get your agreement. Agree.
[01:43:34] Unknown:
That's right. Just so long as you don't as long as you don't reply, you're fine. And where's the linchpin?
[01:43:40] Unknown:
Where's the linchpin, and how do you do that? This is the linchpin of the whole thing right here. Yeah. What's the linchpin? Lynchpin. Are you a citizen of The United States? Are you a resident? Yeah. Back to the fourteenth amendment. Now you've agreed to the contract even though you didn't know it was a contract, and you didn't know you were in it.
[01:44:12] Unknown:
Yeah.
[01:44:14] Unknown:
But you agreed to it, and you signed something your whole life every time they ever ask you. Didn't you? Mhmm. Well, Ken ought to know what he is. He's a sharp guy. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. I can't help it if he can't interpret what I'm asking him.
[01:44:39] Unknown:
Oh, man. This stuff is, it's frustratingly simple.
[01:44:47] Unknown:
See, that's the thing that gets me. And I I tell you people, I say, look. This is not complex. It's simple. It's simple. Where the confusion comes in is how they've jerry rigged all these definitions and how they've enslaved you in your mind with dialectics.
[01:45:07] Unknown:
There's the key part.
[01:45:10] Unknown:
We're enslaved in our own minds because they're assigning opposite definitions that get implanted Pavlovian conditioning into our subconscious. Right. Right or wrong. So the two way of thinking is is that go go ahead.
[01:45:29] Unknown:
I was gonna say the other thing is is that when you think about the law of contracts, no matter no matter what way you wanna be able to think about this conversation, when you think about contract and people staying in honor, you know, you say, well, do I do I flat out disagree? No. You put in a counteroffer. You know? You you won't we all wanna stay in honor. We all wanna be truthful about it, but we don't think about saying, why don't I just give a counteroffer? And Believe me. But you know?
[01:45:56] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, that's what the affidavit is. But it ain't an offer. It's a demand. It's your decision, which this is because every man has the right of personal political self determination. That comes from Vitell's Law Nations. In other words, you get to decide what set of laws you live under. If they tell you you're living under a set of laws, that's tyranny, isn't it?
[01:46:20] Unknown:
Yep. Yes. Absolutely.
[01:46:21] Unknown:
So that's why they've gone to all this trouble we spent an hour on so they could ask you those two questions and get your agreement to their fraud. So you're going in the first question, yep. I agree to your fraud. And in the second question, you're going, yep. I give you the consent to govern me in that condition.
[01:46:40] Unknown:
Hey, Raj?
[01:46:43] Unknown:
Yes.
[01:46:44] Unknown:
I have the dissenting opinion by John Marshall Harlan.
[01:46:49] Unknown:
Okay. Please read it because this is really eloquent, and I I just love this guy.
[01:46:55] Unknown:
Okay. The dissenting opinion was written by justice John Marshall Harlan who held that congress was always bound to enact laws within the jurisdiction of the constitution. This nation is under the con the control of a written constitution, the supreme law of the land, and the only source of the powers which our government or any branch or officer of it may exert at any time or at any place. He held that the Congress had no existence and thus had no authority outside the constitution. He continued, the idea prevails with some. Indeed, it has expression and arguments at the bar that we have in this country substantially two national governments, one to be maintained under the constitution with all its restrictions, the other to be maintained by congress outside and independently of that gun that govern that instrument, by exercising such powers as other nations of the earth are accustomed to.
I take leave to say that if the principles thus announced should ever receive the sanction of a majority of this court, a radical and mischievous change in our system will result. We will, in that event, pass from the era of constitutional liberty guarded and protected by a written constitution into an era of legislative absolutism. It will be an evil day for American liberty if the theory of a government outside the supreme law of the land finds lodgment in our constitutional jurisprudence. No higher duty rests upon this court than to exert its full authority to prevent all violation of the principles of the constitution.
[01:48:56] Unknown:
He had it, man.
[01:48:58] Unknown:
What was the date on that one?
[01:49:02] Unknown:
08/2001. Bidwell nineteen o one, the dissenting opinion by John Marshall Ireland.
[01:49:07] Unknown:
If you go to Downs v Bidwell in Wikipedia, it's got that site in there. K? Yeah. So he saw it thirty two years before the event.
[01:49:20] Unknown:
It's posted in all the chat rooms.
[01:49:23] Unknown:
K.
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So people have where your link is where I got it from.
[01:49:28] Unknown:
The the the he these people could surmise what was happening, but they didn't understand the bankruptcy, and they were gonna pull the string. They had all the setup.
[01:49:43] Unknown:
They had the setup. They didn't understand, or they they they didn't have a crystal ball to tell them what the bankers were gonna use to force their hand and force it to happen.
[01:49:54] Unknown:
And you see, here's where Jefferson said to fight tyranny, you gotta have eternal vigilance. How do you have eternal vigilance against skullduggery, palmetic bastards like this that lie, cheat, steal, and enslave. How can you see what they're gonna do a hundred years of ants from their intricate plan that was set up after the civil war they caused to get those two amendments in the constitution?
[01:50:24] Unknown:
Well, they do it through generations, so nobody knows They do it. Generation. Right.
[01:50:30] Unknown:
Exactly. And and And that's your history.
[01:50:33] Unknown:
You're talking about a gradualism. Okay? Now let's finish this out because we're towards the end of the show. So in 1940, in the nationality act of 1940, that's over in the organic statutes at large. Okay? This is where if you go look that legislation up and they start the legislation with definitions, a, b, c, d, e, f. Okay. Whatever. The very first one, right underneath the heading of the act, a national has total allegiance to a small less state. Right there. Very first definition. Now, Ken, this is something that I've been able to figure out. Whenever they're pulling something major, they always put the hook at the very first.
IRS 1.1 dash one a, nationality act 1940, that, fourteenth amendment, all persons born. Those three words control the world when you understand this. Because that brings in the feudal system. K? So they always put the hook at the front. So that is there. And then about the third definition, there's a paragraph that I would challenge any attorney to regurgitate and define. And this is where they set up American Samoa and the states where they could pull it over into title eight in the code, and they there's a statement in there. It says a national is someone born in American Samoa, Swains Island, or the outlying territories.
Well, hold it. A noncitizen this is in the statutes. This is in the code. A noncitizen national is someone born in American Samoa and Swains Island, not a national. So the only thing that could be left with deduction is that the outlying territories are the states.
[01:52:40] Unknown:
You know, we haven't been able to find the term outlying territories. They replaced it with outlying secession.
[01:52:48] Unknown:
Yeah. They did. They in the missus Robinson letter, she uses, oh, there are no other possessions outside the outlying possessions. They don't use the word possessions. They use the word territory. K? So this is where they set up a hiding oh, let me just finish because we're running out of time, Paul. This is where they set up the National and they set up American Samoan to hide it. Okay? Now the big obstacle they had to overcome still was that Case Plessy versus Ferguson to overcome the separateness but equality of the two political statuses.
They did that in a case most of us are familiar with in some way, shape, or form called Brown versus Board of Education in 1954. And the thumbnail for Brown, member is overbussing. Right? And the thumbnail description for Brown is equal in the classroom, equal in the society. What they did in some convoluted legal reasoning is they made people with god given rights equal to people with man given civil rights. Now that that's gotta be tortured because I don't see any way those are equal. K? But in Brown, that's what they did. Alright? Now because both statuses are equal, they can ask you just the leading question. Are you a citizen of The United States?
They don't ask you, are you a citizen of The United States or a national, do they? They ask you, are you a citizen of The United States? It's a leading question without full disclosure. Now that was at the tail end of their plan, And the reason I know it is because as I stumbled into understanding this a while back and I'm thinking 54, 54, 54. You know how your subconscious plays with you, Ken? You know, '54, '54. What else happened in '54? Bam. And I went and looked it up. Sixty days to the day after Brown versus Board of Education, they put the nineteen fifty four internal revenue code in place, and we've been on it ever since we've been under it.
That's the end of the game. The tax issue is the key to this whole scheme. Without the taxes being extracted to pay the bondholders, the they don't have a credit spout.
[01:55:24] Unknown:
Hey, Raj. Yes. I've got a definition for people to chew on after the show. The fourteenth amendment says all persons born or naturalized in The United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of The United States and of the state wherein they reside. Well, what definition of person are they using there Right. If the definition of person is an entity, to whom the law ascribes rights and duties?
[01:55:57] Unknown:
Correct. And if you volunteer and answer those questions, you're ascribed civil rights that you were born with that you just affirmed.
[01:56:08] Unknown:
Mhmm. So what definition of person is the fourteenth amendment using before it even start before it even sets up the top?
[01:56:18] Unknown:
Okay. Well, the it's already saying. And, see, the first part of the legal test, they took care of themselves with the bankruptcy and putting everybody into the condition. So everybody born, but then you've got the second part. You've gotta be subject to the jurisdiction thereof. That's why they ask you the questions that are in the original fourteenth amendment.
[01:56:43] Unknown:
Great show, Raj.
[01:56:48] Unknown:
This was That's my stuff, man. Good stuff.
[01:56:52] Unknown:
I'm a tell you. This one These are some slick bastards we're dealing with right here, folks.
[01:56:59] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. This one will be in the archives.
[01:57:04] Unknown:
Okay. We're done. We're gonna flip off the server. Alright. Does that help you, Ken? That help you, Dimitri? That help you, Bama?
[01:57:13] Unknown:
And they got another Saturday show to put in the, on expose the matrix.
[01:57:21] Unknown:
Wow. This is See, it's simple. It's right in front of you. If you know these hidden legal definitions, if you understand about the feudal system, if you know your enemy and how they think, Shit. It's simple.
[01:57:37] Unknown:
You know, the problem is this was all taught in those original civics classes that we never had.
[01:57:43] Unknown:
How to understand
[01:57:45] Unknown:
architecture of the system So when you're trying to decode something like this, you know where to look. Everybody's forgotten. Where do I look?
[01:57:56] Unknown:
One of your best presentations, Roger.
[01:57:59] Unknown:
Thank you, Joe. Well, even if they knew where to look, they might not find the right answer.
[01:58:05] Unknown:
Do you have at least you would have the starting point of how do you start navigating the map if you don't know that you're dealing with a map of 16 different levels. Do you understand the commerce? Do you understand the word? Do you understand the acts? Do you understand the cases? And everything you know, when you when you look at engineering, you always before you develop a product, you always do a whole series of trial runs and beta types and testing situations and all this kind of stuff so that you know when you actually deliver the final thing, it's gonna work.
But Yep. Thankfully, you know, what you brought up today is you've been talking about where was all these different little ideas tried out? Where would it where is their experiment their, you know, their their sandbox, their their experimental laboratory? And then you read those, and then you can derive the whole progress of development into the final product.
[01:59:09] Unknown:
This this this this back to Sun Tzu, really. Okay? It only goes back a couple of thousand years. Right? You got to know your enemy and see our people. Here's the problem with people that I see like Anna and David. They don't know how our enemy thinks. They approach this and read things like they think, and you can't get the answer that way. Roger? You've got to know how these guys think and do things. Yes, Marco?
[01:59:42] Unknown:
It all started with Roman civil law.
[01:59:46] Unknown:
Yeah. And we could go into that. Won't do it today. But, you know, the the beauty of this, Ken and Demetrius and Bama and the rest of you, Heather, and the importance of it. You know? People you might be telling people, they go, why do you wanna do that? I don't wanna do that. Well, the importance of this is there's only been two groups of people in the entire history of our planet that have ever had god given rights. The first two hundred years of Rome and the first two hundred years of our country. If that doesn't bring the importance of it to you, there's nothing else I can tell you.
[02:00:25] Unknown:
Roger, this is Sketch. Yes.
[02:00:27] Unknown:
Sketch.
[02:00:28] Unknown:
If we could get a flowchart I'm not very good at flowcharts, but if we get a flowchart of this, Joe, and how you explained it, it would help people immensely. You know? I'm just throwing it out there. If anybody can listen to this show and do a flowchart of the information, the concepts, I think it'll be very helpful.
[02:00:50] Unknown:
Thank you. And Well, you had a keyword right there, Sketch, and that's concepts. And for Ken and the new people, rather than go in and learn a bunch of minutiae, you know, I say learn the information, Start with understanding the concepts. You alluded to it a minute ago, Ken. You gotta learn about merchant law. What do you know about merchant law? Probably nothing. What do you know about the feudal system? Probably nothing. What do you know about the fourteenth amendment, the civil war, and all that stuff? Not too much probably has fought to free the slaves. So when you learn the concepts and how they interact, then you can go into the minutia and see what they're doing.
The problem with our community is they're trying to arrive at the concepts by going through statutes and regulations where you got all these different definitions, hidden labels, and all this stuff. That's why our community's never had any success.
[02:01:49] Unknown:
I kinda look at it and say if you're playing a five d chess game or if somebody if you're watching a five d chess game, but you only know how to play three d chess, you're the moves are not gonna make any sense. You're just not gonna understand it.
[02:02:04] Unknown:
Looks like that basketball team out there playing the hockey team. You're gonna lose every time.
[02:02:09] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Long game.
[02:02:13] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. I I wanna thank I wanna thank Paul for putting icing on the cake there with the person question. That that really helped a lot, I think.
[02:02:24] Unknown:
Well, that person everything revolves around that right there. That's why that our formula and understanding it and working with it a little bit is so damned important. No, your honor. What if Charlie Gray would have stood up in federal court and said, you stupid ass district director. What do you know? A person is an entity to whom the law ascribes rights and duties. I'm ascribed no rights under the fourteenth amendment. Therefore, I owe no correlative duties like your stinking income tax. But Charlie didn't know that information, and he just stood there silent, and it got him convicted.
[02:03:08] Unknown:
In the moment, this all comes down to intimidation because Insuredness. You're under the spot when you're under the spotlight, that part of your brain that can think outside of the box gets terminated. It just Sure. Just turns off.
[02:03:23] Unknown:
Well, that's why I preach this. I if you get in this situation, I want you to regurgitate what I just told you. Yeah. Okay. Just like Mike with that magistrate. We're not gonna recognize this affidavit. Oh, okay. So you're automatically dispelling Vitell's law of nations, the United Nations Charter, an 1835 Supreme Court case which dictates whatever's in the possession of the secretary, if admissible in a court of law, is to can be considered the higher and better evidence. And you're just throwing all that out the door there, ma'am. I guess you're just an open tyrant, aren't you?
[02:04:03] Unknown:
Not to mention due process.
[02:04:07] Unknown:
K. Listen, folks. We've got to have people learning this information and becoming reempowered. It's the information that reempowers you. It's the understanding. It's the confidence. It's all that stuff. You know? I look. I was nervous as hell like like everybody else that's new here at first. You know? And what I found was going to get that Florida State ID. Okay? The guy at the passport office, I had a Tennessee driver's license, and I didn't want to present it because I knew it evidenced residency. So in the instructions, it says if you don't have a picture ID, Demetrius, you might wanna pay attention to this, you can bring somebody that's known you for two years that does have one, and that suffices.
Well, I called an arrogant damn passport clerk. And he goes, well, I said, I had this girl with me. I said, well, that's why she's here because I don't have an ID, and she does. K? And he turns around and picks up a big three ring three inch three ring binder from the top shelf behind him and plops it on the counter. I mean, it made a no plop. Okay? And he goes through it for a minute, and he goes, it says right here that I don't have to accept that, and I can make you go get one, and I'm gonna make you go get one. He said it's snotty just like that. K?
And she turns to me and she goes, well, I just got my kids' state IDs two weeks ago. Let's go get one of those. Boom. Answer. So now it's a short distance to the driver's license division where they issue IDs, and we go in there. And at that point, I are I had had my affidavit on file in the property records office there since 1992, last day of the year 1992. I had a copy of that to include in with the passport application. I also had to have this first time, I had to have a copy of my birth certificate. So I had the birth certificate, and I had the affidavit filed in that county with the clerk of the court's stamp on it. K? And the gatekeeper there that makes sure you got the right documents sees that and goes, sure. Go on in. So I go down to the, lady. There's three or four clerks doing IDs, and I didn't even say anything. I just put that five page affidavit up on the counter.
Well, she grabs it, turns to the side 90 degrees, opens up a scanner, and starts scanning in the pages. And then she starts asking me the questions. Mister Sales, are you a citizen of The United States? No. Mister Sales, are you a resident? No. Where do you live? All the other questions. At the whole time, she's flipping pages on the scanner. And she goes, okay, mister Sales. That'll be $4. Stand over there and get your picture taken. You could have blown me over with a feather. And the first thing that came to my mind was I said, I'll be damned.
John was right. It's all voluntary.
[02:07:21] Unknown:
And they all know it.
[02:07:24] Unknown:
Not that the parks don't know it. They just know they're supposed to ask you the questions. It doesn't matter what you answer them. No. They gotta ask you the questions.
[02:07:34] Unknown:
That's right. But it'd be it'd be a blast to go through their training.
[02:07:38] Unknown:
Is it no. I realized
[02:07:40] Unknown:
Ignore what they say. Just make sure you ask the questions.
[02:07:44] Unknown:
Right. And and then so all of a sudden you go, well, you start feeling empowered. Okay? And I go, well Yeah. Now I was scared to go talk to bureaucrats before. Now, hell, I can't find I can't wait to find the next one. And you get up in front of him, and you go through it, and he does exactly what you want him to do. And you walk out going, holy smokes.
[02:08:17] Unknown:
This takes No. The first time to do it.
[02:08:21] Unknown:
Yeah. Hey. You're getting a drink of water out of a fire hydrant right now, you new folks, but I'm simplifying it as much as possible. And like anything else, it's totally new to you. It takes a little bit of acclimation, but it's not difficult. It just takes a little work on your part, and it changes your thinking. Here's what's going on on the main part of this, Ken and Demetrius and Bama and the other Heather, is they're using a process called equivocation. A listener called in and told me this. I didn't know it.
K? Equivocation. Now when you're trying to decide between several different options, you could be said to be equivocating. Right? I'm equivocating between these options. But equivocation is a little different the way these guys use it. And if you go back and look in this is this is interesting. In Webster's 1828 dictionary, when I went back and was researching this, and they give the definition of equivocation there. And at the bottom, he had personal notes. And the the comment was, this technique is often used by non Christians to trick quest Christians.
[02:09:39] Unknown:
Anybody to hate anybody.
[02:09:43] Unknown:
Right. So what they're doing and how it works is they go in and take an 80, a 180 degree opposite definition to a word, a keyword, whereas since The United States, whatever. And they then Pavlovianly condition your subconscious mind to the opposite definition. Now your subconscious mind controls 95% of your day. Your your conscious five to 10%. So now your conscious mind knows, but your subconscious mind overrules. So this is where it goes back to the biblical verse in the New Testament in, James one eight. A double minded man is uncertain in all of his ways. It doesn't say some of his ways. It doesn't say part of his ways. It says all of his ways.
And this is when your subconscious and your conscious are not working in tandem. So now that we know the technique, the remedy is very simple. You go back through. You find those keywords. You substitute the correct definition instead of the opposite one, and now your conscious and your subconscious are working together. Now you're empowered.
[02:11:00] Unknown:
That's important. And every single time you think of a definition to also understand the counter that definition,
[02:11:07] Unknown:
we can Well, you see, Kim, this is one thing that's given me a great advantage, and it's been a detriment in some ways too, actually, and especially in learning Spanish. K? Is early on, I didn't understand all this stuff, but I knew that they did everything in opposites. And so I started training my mind to always look at the dialectic first. Yeah. Okay? And I still think that way. I always look at the dialectic first. And it was great until I started to try and learn Spanish, and, buddy, it gave me fits. Because Spanish is opposite from English in many ways.
So if you're gonna learn Spanish, you gotta learn this one hurdle. I had to go back and overcome the dialectic before I could face the main hurdle, and it gave me fits. K? But it did bring a very important thing into into my life, which was my the last Spanish teacher I had was a intellectual, pretty real bright guy, married American, lived in The States for six years out in Golden, Colorado. Hated it, moved back to Argentina, and was in a commune outside of town of Shamans with no electricity and no hot water, and he lived out there for five years.
Cold showers in the middle of winter. This guy's heart is driven steel. K? And so one of the one of the girls I was dancing tango, and the girls wanted to talk, and I couldn't speak Spanish. And they said one of them said, look. This guy used to live in The States. He can teach you. So at this point, he's my ninth teacher or course. And I'm I now I found some a way I could learn, and I'm in interviewing teachers to see if they can teach me like this. And so when I went to sat down with Diego for the first time, I took a copy of my affidavit with him to try and show it to him and explain to him why I was having such a hard time because I'd figured it out by then.
And later on, we split. Well, I tell you what, this is true, man. We were having a class one day, and he give me all this homework and stuff, and I was doing it. Okay? I was really trying. And we were gonna have the class instead of his house. We're gonna have it at my apartment. So he he comes to the apartment. He walks into the apartment. He takes the books. He slams them down on the glass coffee table the table, and he goes, I won't be your Spanish teacher anymore because of the way your fucking mind works, and walked out the door. So we didn't have any interaction for a few years.
And then I had an occasion to utilize his services again. And when we got back together and and he said, you know, Roger, see, this guy had been studying power from the spiritual side for twenty years. I'd been studying it from the legal and technical side for twenty years, and our paths crossed. And later on, the second time we got together, and one of the early things he said, he said, I wanna tell you. When you gave me that affidavit and explained it to me, it increased my understanding fifty years. Wow.
[02:14:31] Unknown:
K. Understanding understanding of knowledge and ending of law, understanding of language.
[02:14:38] Unknown:
Of power, of how they implement their power. He knew what they did. He just didn't know how they implemented it. And one of the things he told me is he said power always puts what they're doing to you right in front of you. Hell, it's on the back of the dollar bill for god's sakes. It's right in front of us everywhere. You and you just haven't been able to see it. I liken it to that example. Have you seen that with a white piece of eight and a half by 11 paper with fly written in black in the middle of it, and people flash it up to you, and you can't read it. Your subconscious mind cannot see f l y in the middle of that page.
[02:15:21] Unknown:
Same type thing. I've seen the ones I've seen the the videos where you just have, like, these two people having a conversation, and then some guy comes in in this, like, gorilla costume, and he's, like, waving, and most people will not see that. The whole video is, like, maybe a minute or too long. And Right. You're like, you have you have to stop and relook at this thing two or three times to actually find it. It's amazing.
[02:15:47] Unknown:
Right. Right. Well, there those are those are all examples of what we're talking about here. K? So, anyway well, and I won't get into it now because I'm gonna go have lunch with somebody. My buddy, Walt, and, I got I've got the holy grail too. And it came out of these yeah. Hold on just a second. It came out of this second round with with Diego, who I call Gandalf, and I'm not gonna go into the story. Last time I told, I was talking about it on the air. Somebody wrote me and said, you shouldn't talk about that shit. You drive listeners off. Hell, this is the crux of it, man. Okay? Yes. Who was Hey Roger in there?
[02:16:25] Unknown:
Oh, that was me, Roger. I wasn't sure if you could hear me. I need to just ask you a quick question. I get this. This is this is huge what you did. You know, letting people understand that, you know, they're volunteering into something and how they're bound. They could be unbound. But you tell them the key point, and I appreciate this. The question I have for you is when you send in your affidavit, the citizenship affidavit, do you put your Social Security number on it?
[02:16:52] Unknown:
You can. If you got a common name, especially, just to make sure they identify it with the right person, Social Security is not a nexus to the system. That's more patriot mythology. You feel free to use it. Or if you don't wanna use it, you could put in place of birth and and date of birth and use the last four digits of the Social Security number. Okay. But you're all you're trying to do is differentiate and make sure they get this paperwork assigned to the correct person in their records.
[02:17:26] Unknown:
That's the only reason for it. Okay. And then, yeah, the cover letter, I have the four digits or I should put I could put the four digits or the whole number. But the four digits is fine. The other question You were the question.
[02:17:37] Unknown:
Hold on. You know what? Hold on. Ho. Ho. Ho. Ho. You don't wanna put that in the cover letter. You put it on the affidavit
[02:17:44] Unknown:
under your signature. Oh, not on the cover letter. Okay.
[02:17:48] Unknown:
So the other question is then Hold Hold on. Murr's got something she's chomping at the bit to get in here, Murr. Just saying that maybe you're considering it just common sense, but you put the x's for the, first part of the social and then just the four digits. You could do that. Okay. Yeah. What you're trying what you're trying to achieve is to make sure this is assigned to the right person in the records. K? Right. Right. I did that originally, but I put the whole number in. And I'm like, you know what?
[02:18:15] Unknown:
I have it both ways now where I have the Social Security number placed for it. When I get it notarized, I had the ten ten of them notarized originally, which I you know, I'm just apprehensive of bringing it in. I just wanna get it right. That's all. I'm not worried about doing that. I'm gonna take them on. Yeah. Well, there is a danger of people misusing your Social Security, and you are giving other people notice. And it could be floating around out there, so certainly a consideration. So the last four digits is fine. The other thing is when I put the address in, okay, I put my first, middle, and last name, my my Christian name and then my family name. Right? And then Sure.
Care of, is that correct care of and then the address?
[02:18:59] Unknown:
Don't worry about the address thing. Just put where you live.
[02:19:03] Unknown:
Oh, okay. ZIP code and all? More more
[02:19:06] Unknown:
more more patriot mythology. K?
[02:19:09] Unknown:
Okay. Cool. Alright. Good. Alright. Okay. It's all I wanted to make sure of. So it said none of it's care of and then, you know, Illinois, Republic, USA. You know where that do you know where that came from?
[02:19:20] Unknown:
From the guy that just recently well, it's a guy that recently died. He was an actor, the one that had the orangutans in every which way but loose. They did a seminar in Georgia years ago, and they were the ones, they said, this is how they're achieving jurisdiction. You've got a mailbox on your property. A mailbox is federal property, so that jurisdiction extends to you in the land. Total bullshit.
[02:19:49] Unknown:
Oh, good. Oh, beautiful. Okay. Because that was a little confusing. I'm like, wait a minute. Yes. Something about The federal
[02:19:56] Unknown:
let me, yeah, let me let me share this with you. The federal jurisdiction is inside your mailbox, not the outside.
[02:20:08] Unknown:
Ah, that's good. Alright. Okay. Good. I'll have it stopped off tomorrow.
[02:20:13] Unknown:
And I I put date of birth and place of birth, but not your current address.
[02:20:19] Unknown:
Date what is it gonna be?
[02:20:22] Unknown:
I mean, in that one, you know, on the, affidavit itself. It doesn't have to have that, I don't think. On the affidavit itself,
[02:20:31] Unknown:
number six or number five, it showed the department of I'm sorry. The Department of State documents certifies noncitizen nationally located and has the HP available. No. No. No. No. No.
[02:20:45] Unknown:
Noncitizen nationals are only American Samoans.
[02:20:50] Unknown:
Just put national.
[02:20:52] Unknown:
Roger, he just needs to go to the Oh, noncitizen. So I should get rid of the noncitizen? That was on Well, are you an American are you an are you an American Samoan?
[02:21:03] Unknown:
No. Well, then that's not you. I'm not. Roger, I think he's using a different affidavit, not yours. So No. It sounds like it. I don't have I don't have numbers. All I got is two paragraphs. They're very short. They're very succinct. They're very accurate. They're very to the point. One of them is for the state department. The second one's for IRS.
[02:21:25] Unknown:
Where are you from?
[02:21:27] Unknown:
Coming from. I'm just curious. Where are they coming from?
[02:21:31] Unknown:
Not the one that I have. Correct on the Presley video.
[02:21:34] Unknown:
Not everything. Okay. Alright. So then I'm gonna use the term on the business. Would I be able to get it off of your website, Roger, or no? Yes.
[02:21:42] Unknown:
Yes.
[02:21:43] Unknown:
Okay. Alright. Then I'm not gonna okay. I'm so glad I asked. I've just been waiting all the time. I don't wanna interrupt on you guys because you guys were talking about Well, this is for you and Ken and the new people.
[02:21:55] Unknown:
Forget everything thing you've learned and relearn it correctly.
[02:22:02] Unknown:
Everything's on the matrix docs, and FAQs on matrix docs explains, how to word your affidavit too. And it the copy is on the matrix docs.
[02:22:14] Unknown:
Beautiful. Beautiful. Okay.
[02:22:17] Unknown:
That's you know, I just wanna get this right. I I kinda saw a nonsense. I'm thinking, wait a minute. That would take me completely out. But I didn't wanna question it, but I'm glad I did.
[02:22:27] Unknown:
Okay. So that saved me again, Rod. And the less the less you have on there is the less for them to rebut.
[02:22:35] Unknown:
Okay. Alright. So alright. So that'll just have to do all of it. Okay. I mean, literally,
[02:22:40] Unknown:
all you're doing here is see, everybody want oh, and can I use this word? Can I use that word? All you're doing is rebutting a fraudulent presumption.
[02:22:52] Unknown:
You can do it. I don't know how they were able to I don't mhmm. Go ahead. I I will No. You can do it if you're able to. But the less you say just think think of it this way.
[02:23:06] Unknown:
The less you say, the less they have potentially to rebut.
[02:23:12] Unknown:
Right? Okay. But the yes. But they didn't give full disclosure on what they did originally. I don't know if that's legal. True. Well, that's part of why that's part of why they have to recognize it because it's fraud. Okay. Well alright. So okay. That answers the question then. Fraud Paperbud Fraud vitiates
[02:23:32] Unknown:
any fraud vitiates any contract ab initio. If there's fraud involved, the contract is negative and negated from when it started. That's why when you file this, you're running back to pre 03/09/1933 before the fraud.
[02:23:56] Unknown:
Okay. I thought it was oh, you said 1940 too. That was, the That well, that was 1940.
[02:24:04] Unknown:
No. That was the Nationality Act of 1940 where they set forth and changed state citizen to national and hid And hid and set up hiding national state citizen behind noncitizen national American Samoan.
[02:24:29] Unknown:
Okay. That's what they did with that. Okay. Alright. Okay. So I'm gonna go off of your, wait matrix website and get your affidavit and just plug in my name. Now would I be putting all three names? That's what I'm asking you. The Christian name, Amazon name, or just the full name?
[02:24:48] Unknown:
I I'd put your full name in there. Okay. Rod. Okay. It's a new way that they can easily identify it with the right person.
[02:24:58] Unknown:
Sam last four digits to this No. This is sketch. I just wanted to tell this fellow to try and I know we all know you wanna become free quickly, but, you know, you should do it slowly and methodically like a turtle, not a rabbit, and, learn the concepts. Learn learn what you're doing.
[02:25:19] Unknown:
No. I, yeah, I understand how they did the fraud. I understand that they they put in the word they, in the fourteenth amendment and are subject to and not and, which places you in a position where there
[02:25:36] Unknown:
no? No. They don't use our because then they'd be tyrants.
[02:25:41] Unknown:
They use and. I'm sorry. And and. I'm sorry. You're right. And and. Right. So you have to have both of those quality both of those situations to be in their jurisdiction. And if you don't have the second one, then you're then you're not then you could you could pull yourself out.
[02:25:59] Unknown:
Well, you're not if you don't have the second one, you're not subject to the jurisdiction.
[02:26:04] Unknown:
Expect. Right. You're not subject to the jurisdiction. That's correct. Okay. Yeah. Now I get it. You just you you know, I'm just a little nervous again, Raj. You know?
[02:26:12] Unknown:
I know. Well, you're new. And I I think sketches you know, that's why I say and then we're at a time where we've got it simplified. Somebody could do the paperwork, but I want you to make the personal commitment to yourself that you're gonna learn the information if you do that. What we don't want is a bunch of people taking the paperwork and filing it and not doing anything else. I'll give you an example. I heard of a kid running around going, I'm a nonresident alien. Okay. What do you think what do you think people that heard him make that statement thought? Thought he was not. Guy's full of shit.
He's from a he's from another another freaking planet. Well, he's not wrong. He is a nonresident alien, but only in the tax code. Right. Yes. To the IRS. Yes. Yes. I know that. Okay. Yeah. Absolutely. So that's what I don't want is people that don't understand the information fucking it up for us. Mhmm.
[02:27:25] Unknown:
You have to be out of their coming back. You gotta be out of their possession. The United States is a corporation, and they've drawn everybody into being their I I I wanna say slaves, but it's their their workers. I kept asking the same question. You know, I had an estimated number. I said, what is what is that? That's a federal employer index number. I just I don't work for the government. Why do I have this number? I kept asking this question. Nobody could tell me anything. Oh, no. Good. I don't But, obviously, you come out of my property without my permission. She You know? Here again is part of our problem
[02:28:04] Unknown:
is when you go up to somebody and said, do you know your property of the federal government? And all they relate to when you say the word slave is black slavery. Okay? And they go look in the mirror and they go, well, hell, that's me. I've been looking at that reflection my whole life. I ain't black, and I ain't a slave because they told me I was free. But where does This is the English British slavery to know. Right. This is the English variety of slavery. Yeah. See, they didn't have black you know, England's got a free soil doctrine that goes back hundreds of years. No one born in England is a slave.
And there's been court cases on that with black slaves. Okay? So they when they came over and brought the feudal system with William the conqueror, they couldn't bring in involuntary servitude from Europe because England's got a free soil doctrine. So they only brought the voluntary side over. And they called it in the old English jurists, very accurately, I think, labeled it the unfree.
[02:29:24] Unknown:
K. The unfree.
[02:29:28] Unknown:
That's why I understand in this thing on property because our people don't understand that. You've heard people refer to property as property rights, but you don't know that property is property rights and the whatever the object is is a thing legally. So it's these little levels of technical versus colloquial is another way they've bamboozled us.
[02:29:57] Unknown:
Maybe there's a real simple way to enhance the affidavit. And so you have the subject line US citizen, and then you have two words that say no. Thank you. Signed.
[02:30:08] Unknown:
Well, I you know, I I my personal feeling is to make him keep it as simple and concise as as possible. They hadn't ever objected to one. They may have others people. I don't know. You know? But I know they can't object to this because it's your choice. And the simpler you make it, the more effective it is and the less they've got to come back at you on, potentially.
[02:30:33] Unknown:
How about your how about your name and then how about your name and then no contract?
[02:30:40] Unknown:
Well, that travel That's what the
[02:30:43] Unknown:
paid That's what the first that's what the first paragraph says. Hi, Sam, Illinois. Do do do solemnly swear under the penalty of perjury of the laws of The United States Of America, my intent Yeah. To be a national with God given, constitutionally protected, capital r rights and not a citizen of The United States in a condition of voluntary servitude under the scope and purview of the fourteenth amendment. That's that first paragraph verbatim.
[02:31:17] Unknown:
Wow. You gotta tell Patton. Okay. Alright. Comment. Yeah. No. I I get it. I get it. I just don't want I'm glad I asked. So I was just about to send it in to Comment. Glad I hit it. You know? Okay. Comment from Joe.
[02:31:33] Unknown:
What you're saying reminds me of when I took business law in college, and they were on the subject of will wills and testaments. And the professor spoke of the most simple will, and it was tested in court and found to be valid. All to Mary.
[02:31:54] Unknown:
Three words. There you go.
[02:31:56] Unknown:
Yep. Keep it simple. And there's another line I'm sure you've heard with regard to what they throw at us. If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.
[02:32:08] Unknown:
Well, see, here's the problem in our community is we got these people who have been studying for a long time and interested in it, and they've studied a whole bunch of stuff, and now they wanna show you what they've learned.
[02:32:20] Unknown:
They they they've got a freaking PhD.
[02:32:22] Unknown:
I'm pro pern, pro nunque, k sunk, and, don't do that. Right. You don't need to.
[02:32:32] Unknown:
Right. Make it simple. But can you please let me just ask a quick question. Okay. This is Demetrius. Sister general just bought up about the will. Wouldn't this also affect how probate is done?
[02:32:48] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, our suggestion is you got to refuse trust, and then there is no probate.
[02:32:55] Unknown:
Right. Gotcha. And I believe in that too. So, Roger,
[02:33:02] Unknown:
take the government out of out of your affairs. Hold on. We got Gary. He's stopped swinging his hammer for a minute. Say something. Hey, Gary.
[02:33:12] Unknown:
I'm not swinging a hammer today, Roger. I'm turning wrenches. I'm changing a hub assembly on one of vehicles. Hey. For all the new people that are trying to understand stuff, there's two pages of court cases. I imag I think they're on the website. You need to download those two pages and read those two pages with the information you've gleaned today until you understand what they're saying. They even say one court case even says you're in interstate commerce as soon as you leave Washington, DC.
[02:33:47] Unknown:
Yeah. Yep.
[02:33:49] Unknown:
Unless you were born in Washington, DC and still live there, you left Washington, DC in their their imaginary world. So read those two things.
[02:33:58] Unknown:
Your right. Well, I told y'all that we had a Patriot in Atlanta that went up there. And when they're leaving DC and driving back to Atlanta, as they get to Virginia, there's one of those green signs, and it says you're leaving The United States. Wow.
[02:34:19] Unknown:
10 square miles. But as long as you're but as long as you're a US citizen or claim to be, you're still in the jurisdiction of DC administered by Nancy Pelosi of the House of Representatives.
[02:34:33] Unknown:
And and why is that, Gary? Why is that? Because that word theirs in the thirteenth amendment.
[02:34:42] Unknown:
Can I because you volunteered me to
[02:34:46] Unknown:
Well, they volunteered you into it, and you agreed to it, to be more technically precise? You didn't. What you're doing with the affidavit what you're doing with the affidavit is you're taking away your agreement. You're taking away your consent, which is your capital r right.
[02:35:05] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. I know once you leave the DC area, you're doing commerce. I get that a 100. And and, actually, that one video is very good that Presley had. He explained the thirteenth and fourteenth very well just like you did, Roger. But, again, I'm not I I gotta go look at these court cases which you're talking about. Right?
[02:35:25] Unknown:
No. I understand. And I we you know, we've heard of a rumble or two that people looked at one or two of the sites and couldn't find the site. So I'm not sure, and I've never shepardized them. But I got a feel they're probably correct. Okay? But somebody, one of these days, can shepherdize those sites and see if they exist. And if they don't, we'll get that site out of there.
[02:35:50] Unknown:
Yeah. I I have that site. I don't I can if I could send it to you, I will. I have my son send it through the email. And see if I can I still have it? So
[02:36:02] Unknown:
Okay. Well, I don't know which one you're referring to. But, anyway, anybody got anything else for me today?
[02:36:09] Unknown:
Roger, I know you're gotta go eat, and I'll send it in the mail, but just for future reference who Benjamin's wife was.
[02:36:17] Unknown:
She was a slave. She was a slave. No. She wasn't. No. No. She wasn't? No.
[02:36:23] Unknown:
Well, let me see. Do I have it real handy here to tell you? I think I do. Let me scroll back. Just a second. Come on.
[02:36:31] Unknown:
Awesome show today, Roger. Yeah. Thank you, Melissa.
[02:36:34] Unknown:
Very convenient. Yes. Thank you, Roger. Thank you so much for what you do.
[02:36:41] Unknown:
Yeah. Thank you. This was a blast.
[02:36:43] Unknown:
Yeah. He,
[02:36:45] Unknown:
I'll wear my purse. At least he did at any moment. To you, man. I appreciate it so much.
[02:36:51] Unknown:
Thank you, Demetrius.
[02:36:53] Unknown:
Yeah. So he was teaching English to French speaking people and returned, one of the students, Natalie Boucher du Saint Martin, a daughter from a prominent local Catholic family whom he soon wed. Uh-huh. That was the wife. Right? And apparently I don't know. Then they ended up they went to to Paris, and he'd visit once a year or whatever. He was apparently impotent. Well, he was queer. Sorry. Could've been. And he's fat. He couldn't even ride a horse.
[02:37:23] Unknown:
This is this is sketch. A hundred and twenty five years after Plessy Plessy versus Ferguson, the descendants were at a ceremony in Louisiana, and he was pardon pardoned by the governor.
[02:37:40] Unknown:
Good. I think that's what that article that Lauren found was about.
[02:37:47] Unknown:
I sent her an email just in case she can jump on and say hi one day. But, you know, I mean, see, it wasn't a black white issue.
[02:37:56] Unknown:
It's a political status issue.
[02:37:59] Unknown:
Yep.
[02:38:01] Unknown:
And they covered it up by that, by using black and white. Yes. Well, you see, they're looking a hundred years ahead, Demetrius,
[02:38:09] Unknown:
because they know they're gonna pit you and your folks against me and my folks.
[02:38:16] Unknown:
Exactly. And that's what they're still doing today.
[02:38:21] Unknown:
Well, that's why I welcome you black folks so open armedly. You gotta get in and teach the black community what's going on. You know, John used to say from the stadium from the podium, if we could free the black man, we could free us all. But you see, that's not right. We gotta go in and free the white man and be able to pull it free the black man finally.
[02:38:46] Unknown:
Hell, I'm still having trouble teaching white folks.
[02:38:50] Unknown:
Well, hell, you're just a damn slave anyway.
[02:38:55] Unknown:
I saw this years ago, man. I saw it. I didn't understand it all, but I knew that they took the slavery system just like they always do. When they find something that works, they'll take it, and they'll implement it over everything else.
[02:39:12] Unknown:
I should play one day. Yeah. Thank you. I've I've got a audio of a David Duke video called the history of Jewish slavery. It's on the website, on the archive somewhere. Maybe it's only about twenty minutes long. Maybe one day this coming week, I'll play it for you guys. These are history slavers, folk. They've always been in this business. Slavery is the single most profitable business in
[02:39:45] Unknown:
history. Yes. Yes.
[02:39:48] Unknown:
May I ask Ken? May I ask Ken if I ask Ken? The Ken that was on here most of the day? Yeah. Hey hey, Ken. Do do does Anavon Wright mention feudal system and or Jews, slavers?
[02:40:07] Unknown:
She is probably not. I think she is Jewish.
[02:40:11] Unknown:
Oh, she may be, but she's German, and she always, goes back to when she was young and, the kids would pick on her and call her Nazi or whatever, so she's afraid to talk about Jews. But then she said she was against the Catholic church, and, apparently, that's not true either. Well, hell shit. What I've heard, she's got a direct connection to the pope. That's what I'm saying.
[02:40:32] Unknown:
Is it Reitz or Reitzinger?
[02:40:36] Unknown:
Reitz is all I've ever heard. It's it's I think it is Reitzinger, but she cut it cut it back. Because she's she's actually short. Anyway, I I I like to think that everybody that's trying to do something in this area is doing the best of their ability. I don't know if that's true, but that's what I'd like to think. It makes the world nicer for me. K?
[02:40:59] Unknown:
Hey, Dimitria Prius. You might go into a search for an article called We Thought They Were White.
[02:41:09] Unknown:
We thought Jackson. Were white. Yep. Don't tell Jackson. Right, Brent?
[02:41:17] Unknown:
And Demetrius, I tell you, I've been trying to penetrate the black community for years. K? I had somebody I used to get on and say, please somebody get this information to Louis Farrakhan. A guy contacted me from DC. His cousin is the head of security for Louis Farrakhan. He stay at his house when he's in DC. I know the information got to Louis Farrakhan because he told me he gave it to his cousin. But Louis has chosen not whether he's too old or doesn't quite under I can't imagine he doesn't understand it. But regardless, nothing has ever come out of that. But you see, if we got a bunch of the black folks understanding this and standing up, Can you see the mayhem in their agenda?
I mean, technically, Brent and Demetrius, you guys are now white. Do you know that?
[02:42:24] Unknown:
Yeah.
[02:42:25] Unknown:
Hey, Roger. Roger. Oh, lordy.
[02:42:28] Unknown:
What am I gonna do?
[02:42:30] Unknown:
Hold on there, son. You as a white man. According to The United States code, title 42 section nineteen eighty three and nineteen eighty six. A citizen of The United States is equal in the privileges and com privileges and immunities to the white citizens.
[02:42:53] Unknown:
Another example of the man keeping us down.
[02:42:56] Unknown:
I know the another example of a
[02:42:59] Unknown:
you guys
[02:43:00] Unknown:
Man, he's trying to uplift the white man.
[02:43:05] Unknown:
Yeah. And so now we meet Demetrius or Brent and go, god, look at that whiteness. That's a devil. That's a white devil right there.
[02:43:16] Unknown:
Hey. Somebody you mean, Brett Brent's black? Man, I didn't know that.
[02:43:25] Unknown:
He's the white sheep.
[02:43:29] Unknown:
Demetrius too. Don't leave him or mom. Don't leave Mississippi mama out of this for god's sakes. She's up there having chili at Kotakaki today. Yes.
[02:43:40] Unknown:
Yeah. Roger. William in Georgia.
[02:43:43] Unknown:
Pardon me?
[02:43:44] Unknown:
Yeah. I was wondering, this is William in Georgia. I was just wondering, where does the current US citizen stand with the prospect of, trading with the enemy and, you know, the War Powers Act and all that. Well, you're totally outside of that.
[02:44:03] Unknown:
You're no longer in the emergency when you file the affidavit. See, that that's what g Schroeder and that's what Gene missed here, Joe. I'm not criticizing him. He, at the end, says, well, if you get a president there, sign one executive order, this all goes away. He didn't know and understand we can do it individually and make it go away.
[02:44:25] Unknown:
Right. Case in point. Good. Thank you, Roger.
[02:44:29] Unknown:
Mhmm.
[02:44:30] Unknown:
Thank you for that, Rod. That was great.
[02:44:34] Unknown:
Yeah. Good show today. I've enjoyed doing Roger. Yes.
[02:44:39] Unknown:
Marco. I wonder if, Joe I mean, Schroeder knows now. Maybe he heard something,
[02:44:47] Unknown:
or you mentioning it. I don't know if he's Well, I don't know. Joe, have you gotten our information to doctor Schroeder?
[02:44:57] Unknown:
He is well, let me say this. Andy and Paul both made contact with one of the researchers, that wrote the war and emergency powers book and did the research on it. Right. They're trying to establish some communication,
[02:45:26] Unknown:
and,
[02:45:30] Unknown:
that's all safe for right now.
[02:45:34] Unknown:
Okay. Well, hopefully, they'll they'll they should be able to understand it fairly easily. K? Well With the knowledge they've got you know?
[02:45:45] Unknown:
I'll say this. There are stumbling blocks that are kinda thrown in front of people to get to him. So I'm not gonna say anymore. That's it. Okay.
[02:46:00] Unknown:
Well, you know, at this point, I I the, the SWs. You know? Some will, some won't, so what? Go find somebody that's receptive that the information residents resonates with. That's the only path I've been able to take. I'm not gonna sit there and argue with somebody. I'm not gonna get in a room with David Strait and Anavon Wright and try and present my stuff and hear all of their objections because those people, especially straight, see, he he's not in a position to change horses. He's had a whole bunch of people that have paid him money that he's now gonna have to go back to and say, hey. I was wrong.
[02:46:41] Unknown:
Roger, please don't misunderstand. It's not that Jean It would not be receptive to this. Oh, I'm I'm sure that. Yeah. I I can I hope you can understand where you can read between the lines and leave it at that for right now? I think we'll I think we'll make the contact.
[02:47:01] Unknown:
Okay. Well, if he if he gets to him and he understands it, great. And if he done this, great too. He gave us a a wonderful research, that verifies everything we're saying and puts it into a little different form, really.
[02:47:16] Unknown:
Joe, I appreciate you sharing what you did right now, and I know that Schroeder would appreciate learning, Roger's stuff, if it ever gets to him.
[02:47:29] Unknown:
I think it will. And, like I say, Andy and Paul have, communicated with one of the researchers who I I communicate with quite frequently. But, Paul and Andy are much better at explaining and, going forward with what what we're trying to do here.
[02:47:55] Unknown:
Now let's take what we've covered and what you people know and understand, and let's transpose just a bit. Can you imagine the effect of this if, hypothetically, we can get on Alex Jones and present it to that audience? At this time, as effective as this is, as in as in a precarious position as our enemies are in, folks, these guys are getting hit with the getting uncovered from every angle right now.
[02:48:27] Unknown:
Talk to us live at the Iowa State Fair.
[02:48:30] Unknown:
Oh, good. The war the war on emergency powers presentation from Gene Schroeder, had 1,060 views a week ago. It's already to 1,270. So it has picked up more views in one week than any other video I've ever produced or presented.
[02:48:58] Unknown:
Fantastic. I hope some of that comes from, last week on, Thumper Show. I'm hoping I guarantee you some of it came from that. Okay? Wait. Yeah. Which video was that?
[02:49:10] Unknown:
Warren Emergency Powers.
[02:49:12] Unknown:
Yeah. Joe has it on his on his rumble too.
[02:49:15] Unknown:
Joe, have you watched that yet? I've been sharing it. No. No. Joe Joe Jersey Joe, have you watched that yet? No. You need to.
[02:49:26] Unknown:
Are you kidding?
[02:49:27] Unknown:
Wow. Dude, it's very it's very important.
[02:49:32] Unknown:
Joe, you have it posted on '76, 1776, sir.
[02:49:38] Unknown:
I do? Uh-oh. Yeah. It's on there. To track what I got on there. What
[02:49:45] Unknown:
what I what I I I shared Anyway your your video too, Paul, with, Rumble, like, the other Rumbles that we've been kinda contacting?
[02:49:55] Unknown:
It was it will show you how they did everything behind the scenes to set up the switch. K?
[02:50:03] Unknown:
Yeah. Oh, and and, Raj, I've already got a couple of f bombs to, edit out of the archives.
[02:50:10] Unknown:
Oh, shit.
[02:50:11] Unknown:
Do you do you have, do you have, like, a, like, a flashing neon light or or anything like that on the wall? You know? Oh, I guess. Way that It's It Yeah. Okay. Well, if there's any way that you can imagine yourself sitting in a titty bar and having a lap dance and having to sit on your hands instead of constantly tapping on the table.
[02:50:38] Unknown:
That's that's that's
[02:50:39] Unknown:
be very helpful. No. I've got the handkerchief up there now. So Not helpful. No. I you I try consciously being a a broadcaster since my early twenties, not cross the line. But when we click off the server, I to me, it's us us girls here. Okay? So sorry for the language. Otherwise, not girls. Going to lunch.
[02:51:04] Unknown:
I'm going to lunch. Does anybody have any girls and everybody on Global Voices. Everybody. And It's been a pleasure. Have a good night, Roger.
[02:51:14] Unknown:
Okay. Thanks. Thank you, buddy. So Thank you, buddy. Yeah. And I will listen. I I welcome all you new people. I really do. And you're the lifeblood of what we do, and I'm particularly impressed with the quality of Kent. Demetrius and Heather and Emma and the other new people that are coming in. I don't know what you guys are gonna do with this. All all I can do is teach you just like John Benson taught you. And then whatever you're gonna do with it is gonna be an internal motivation, and Mhmm. Go out and see how the information moves you. See, it's not me. It's got to be the information. The information has got is what has to take control there.
[02:51:55] Unknown:
Mhmm. Exactly. Thanks, Raj. Great show. And the link to the archive is already on. The, the new students begin here page on exposedtomatrix.com.
[02:52:11] Unknown:
Okay. Well, good show. I'm glad that came up yesterday, and I like doing these kind of shows because they're damn, they're just so educational. They make light bulbs go off to people. You know? And, that's what we want.
[02:52:27] Unknown:
Mhmm.
[02:52:28] Unknown:
Exactly. Thank you, Roger. Thank you, Roger. Thank you, Roger. You mentioned my name a couple of times. This is Bama, and I didn't wanna interrupt anything because it was such a great show, and I was just here to to listen and learn. I really appreciate it. Have a great weekend.
[02:52:44] Unknown:
Well, you know, God gave you two ears and one mouth, ma'am. What does that tell you?
[02:52:50] Unknown:
Supposed to listen.
[02:52:52] Unknown:
I'll see y'all Monday. Thank you, Roger. Love I love eat and every one of you.
[02:53:02] Unknown:
I love you too, Roger. Sending you a hug. Thank you, Roger. We love you, buddy. We do. Okay. Thank you, sir. We
[02:53:10] Unknown:
yeah, Roger. We know how valuable you are, because if you weren't, we wouldn't be here on a Saturday listening to you. We'd be in the sun or at the lake or see doing or doing whatever. So this is as important to me, and I know it's important to everybody else. And and we love you, and we trust you. So thank you.
[02:53:28] Unknown:
Okay, kids. Thank god. I'll see you on the
[02:53:31] Unknown:
I'm with another man on a weekend, and it's not my husband.
[02:53:48] Unknown:
Ron. Hey, Frankie. Your job.
[02:53:51] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:53:52] Unknown:
We got you, Roger. That would be awesome.
[02:53:56] Unknown:
You know, you could be enslaved several ways. You know?
[02:54:00] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Okay.
[02:54:02] Unknown:
Hey. That Okay. Okay. We're still streaming, everyone.
[02:54:09] Unknown:
Come on. I gotta go. I'll see you later.
[02:54:13] Unknown:
Ciao. Bye. Alright. Catch you later. I think I'm I think I'm gonna get this stream off of here before we really get in trouble. This has been the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales on eurofolkradio.com and radio.globalvoiceradio.net. For more information on the topics discussed or an archive of this program, you can, find a link on exposethematrix.com. Exposethematrix.com. You'll find it on the new students begin here link. It's in red, lower right hand corner of the upper portion of the main page. We're also on homenetwork.tv and freedomnation.tv, Monday through Friday. We're here on eurofolkradio.com and radio.globalvoiceradio.net, Monday through Saturday from eleven to 1PM eastern time.
And, well, that's about it. I think today has been one for the books. It's been one for the record books for certain, and I appreciate everybody who joined us on this weekend. Now go forth and be entertained with your free time. This is Global Voice Network. Catch you later.
[02:56:23] Unknown:
Bye boys. Have fun storming the castle.
Introduction and Technical Setup
Discussion on the 13th and 14th Amendments
Understanding Legal Definitions and Jurisdiction
Historical Context of Legal Systems
Revelation and the Beast System
The Role of the Feudal System in Modern Law
Court Cases and Legal Precedents
The Importance of Understanding Legal Concepts
Practical Steps for Legal Reclamation
