RR101 Radio Ranch with Roger Sayles - From Slaughterhouse to Wong Kim Ark: Landmark Cases and the 14th Amendment

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and a tongue to drown the frugal wall.

When the senses are shaken and the soul is riddled with madness,

who can stand?

When the souls of the oppressed fight in the troubled air that rages,

who can stand?

When the whirlwind of fury comes from the throne of God and the frowns of his continents drive the nations together,

who can stand?

When sin claps his broad wings over the battle and sails rejoicing in a flood of death, when souls are torn to everlasting

fire, and fiends of hell rejoice upon the strain.

Oh, who can stand?

Oh, who hath caused this?

Oh,

who can answer at the throne of God?

The kings and the nobles of the land have done it.

Hear it not heaven,

thy ministers

have done it.

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I see. Morning, Rog.

Hello, Rog. Craig here.

Hey, Craig. I wanna say hi. How are you doing? Hope you're doing well. Oh, hang on. Congratulations

on your birthday.

Thank you.

Not a lot of people make it to 75

these days, so you gotta recognize that for sure.

Yeah. I was just gonna say I hope I make it that far at least.

Well, my father and my grandfather both died in their sixties of heart attack, so I try and kinda take care of that and stay on top of it a bit. And,

thank the good lord for giving me my mother's physiology and with the exception of her bad sinuses, which I wish I could give back to her. But

when I confront her on that, she says, sorry.

So, what's on, Craig?

Well, I was I mentioned on the after show, I think it was last week, and it's fine.

It it would be helpful for me, you know, I think it'd be helpful for other people to maybe

have a segment or a show pretty much dedicated to the fourteenth amendment because that's a big part of

the understanding of that and being able to explain it to people

so that, you know, we could project what we're doing to them would be very helpful. So any any extra information

on that or to give us a history of it just so we can Well, I'll be relate that well. I think we can be very good.

I'll be more than happy to do that today. It doesn't seem like there's anything else too much on the agenda.

It's not like we have I'd appreciate it. Before.

Yeah. K. Well,

you know, fourteenth amendment is very interesting. It's, subject to a lot of misinterpretation,

as,

illustrated recently by Robert Barnes. He's somebody I really admire. K? As you guys know.

And,

his

show and I don't know, Craig, whether you or the other folks are watching Barnes and Frey there on Sunday nights. Pretty good programs.

Totally law oriented,

with two lawyers.

Okay?

And,

they were talking about the Supreme Court cases that came down a couple weeks ago, especially the one with affirmative action.

And Barnes got off because of those decisions, guess what they're all based on?

Fourteenth amendment.

K? So, Barnes goes off, and I understand he had a

classic

legal

education,

Yale and University of Wisconsin and wherever else he went. I think he started at

University of Tennessee in Chattanooga. That's where he's from.

And,

Barnes comes on. He's very emotional about it, and he says he said a statement that really

flipped me out, but it's very insightful also. And he said, the fourteenth amendment was the great equalizer.

And he was referring back to constitutional

and the difference between black and white and black's two thirds

person and all that kind of stuff, and I believe that's what he was referring to. But what caught my ear was he was saying, the fourteenth amendment was the great equalizer.

And you know what? He's right.

But it's his lack of vision and understanding on the dialectical

other side. It equalized us all down into the June Crow position.

K?

And okay. Barnes were what happened to Whitey?

What happened to Whitey, man?

They equalized him down into a secondary status

where underlying it is his feudal system,

and now they got a property right in everybody. And then and I'm not faulting Barnes here because this stuff you know, power puts this stuff right in front of you, man, and you can't see it.

K? You can't see it. And I draw the analogy I've used several times,

which many of you have seen,

is that just a white eight and a half by 11 piece of paper with fly

written in the middle of it in black. Paul, didn't you say you'd seen that before?

No. Paul is But I'm gonna have to look it up.

No. It's seen that before? Look. I know I know people in the audience have. Okay? Let me describe it to you, Paul. It's a white totally white piece of paper, eight and a half by 11,

and f l y

is written in black in the middle. Some of y'all have seen that. Murry, you've seen that, haven't you?

Running by me again. I'm sorry. I was distracted. A white

piece of paper, eight and a half by 11, and in the middle in black is written fly, f l y. Yeah. Go ahead. Sing in? Yeah. Go ahead. Yep. Why people put it right in front of you, and you can't see it?

Oh. Your subconscious

mind does not recognize

fly, f l y, written in black on white on a piece of paper, and it's right in front of you. You know, that's true of of too.

Well, I we should tell the story on of. Okay? First time I ever heard that. We'll get to this, Craig. Might as well we got a lot of time here today.

I first heard this, on pastor Peters, and I heard him do tell it on the radio.

And then, my wife and I went up to Nashville

one year. He was at,

the Christian

Broadcasting Association,

and he had a little sermon, and he had a little a little,

talk there, and he did it in person. Okay?

So and I wish I could remember the the sentence. It's a silly little sentence.

Finished files are the result of something something something something. It's just this little nonsensical sentence.

And so he goes out in the audience or he asked the audience, he said, do I have any volunteers? You know? And a couple of people raise their hand, and he's got a blackboard up there on stage.

And,

one of them was an accountant.

One of them was something else. There are four

pretty sharp people accomplished. You know? And have you heard of this, Paul?

Okay.

So

have have have you heard from the front end of what I've described what I'm about to tell you?

Okay.

So there's this sentence written on the board, and here's four people of, you know, an accountant and other professional people up there.

And he turns to the board, and every one of them, he

says, count the f's

in that sentence.

The f's, the letter f.

You've never heard you never seen this demonstrated, Paul? It's pretty powerful. I've never seen it demonstrated, but I've heard you talk about it.

Okay. So every person up there got the wrong

the the wrong amount, and it's right in front of them. They're accomplished. They're professional,

and they can't count the f's in the frigging sentence.

And the reason why is what Merv just said.

When you see the word of,

your subconscious

mind sees it as o v,

not o f.

And it's right in front of you, and you can't see it.

You know what's funny, Roger? Someone that you know, we were doing that little test. Right? And he saw one of them.

One of the ofs, he counted, but the other two, he didn't. Right.

I mean, it's incredible. You'll find very few people that can ever accomplish that. I think there's seven f's in that sentence,

and it's the of's. You you know? And, you The other words were in front of me. You're in front of a crowd and an audience, and you can't count the correct number of f's in a sentence on the blackboard.

Yep. You you can't well, there's other f's in the sentence, so people are looking for that. You know?

So they and they just go right by the, f's and a

Point being, the subconscious mind is very powerful.

And people like Barnes,

they've they've they've been fed all this stuff all their life, and he can't see that, yes, it's the great equalizer,

but it equalized us down into a secondary slave position.

It's right there in front of him. Oh, the fourteenth amendment is a great equalizer.

Okay? So point being is that power, as I've told y'all before, and I learned this from my shaman buddy in Argentina.

K? Diego. I called him Gandalf.

And he's pretty interesting fellow.

And,

he was, from a liberal family, Catholic raised Catholic,

and,

a little mama's boy kinda girl kinda guy.

And, he married a US girl, a liberal feminist that he met at some symposium

and moved to Golden, Colorado for six years.

And he hated it. K?

And, but learned English real well. He got very involved in the culture.

And then he bolted The US, and he moved back down to Argentina. And there was a group of shamans,

commune commune, if you will, of that type of minded people outside of town

in a little town

called Ramakayita.

Merkel know what that is.

And,

he lived out there for five years with these people

with no electricity

and in the winter taking ice cold showers.

And I'm gonna tell you what. This guy was hard as driven steel.

Okay? I'm I mean it seriously,

in resolve and stuff.

And so he had been studying power

from the spiritual side for twenty years, and I'd been studying it from the legal and technical side for twenty years, and our paths crossed.

He was, because of his background in The US,

he was,

recommended to me as an English teacher

a Spanish teacher.

And so at that point in my,

endeavors to learn this language,

I've been through nine courses and and instructors,

but I'd found a course that I can learn from. And so now instead of them talking to students, I was interviewing them to see if they could teach me like this because I can learn that way.

And,

so the first thing I went over, and did with him was, when I went over to interview Diego,

I gave him a copy of my affidavit.

K?

And when we reconnected a few years later,

he told me, he said, Roger, when you gave me that affidavit,

it increased my understanding by fifty years.

Never forget him telling me that. Okay?

And that's a meeting of the spiritual side, the technical side. Okay?

So,

anyway, Diego

helped me a lot. Kind of an unusual fellow, but he led me to some really important stuff here,

in those conversations.

So there's things that and one of the things he told me was what I've just related to you guys and showed you with these two examples is

power always puts what they're doing to you right in front of you, and you can't see it.

Just like Barnes with all that training and a southern boy can't see, well, what happened to Whitey

when the great equalization

happened?

You know?

And that all revolves, Craig, around this thirteenth and the fourteenth amendment. K?

At the start of the country with the articles of confederation, we had a very loosely associated group of states

who were considered to be independent countries.

Now they all

needed

things like a navy and some

issue passports, for example, and other things. And so they agreed to have it all done collectively

by what was then a very loosely

associated federal government.

K?

But the only political status in the country for the first almost a hundred years

was a state citizen. If you were a citizen of one of these states,

you were then a citizen of the, amalgamated

states

called The United States Of America.

So if you're a state citizen, you're a citizen of the nation, and this is where this is where they get the term national, folks.

You were a national citizen.

K?

And so there was no federal citizenship,

and

that's what they established with the civil war.

The war that I'm totally convinced, and I believe I can prove to anybody with with an open mind,

that that war was not fought to end slavery.

It was fought to set up a system of slavery undetected

that where they could enslave the whole damn world a hundred years later, which is exactly what's happened.

K?

So if you go, Craig and audience and people that are listening to this, the definitive case on the fourteenth amendment,

without question,

is the slaughterhouse cases.

K?

It was a case that came up immediately

after the passage of the fourteenth amendment, and the case was decided in 1871.

The fourteenth amendment was passed in 1868.

By the way, the working title,

you know, when they're going through the legislature,

the working title of that legislation

is called the Civil Rights Act of 1866.

Civil Rights Act of 1866

became

the fourteenth amendment.

Okay?

So, Craig, we got a lot of time here. I guess I can get off into the weeds on this.

If you're not familiar

and and and don't want to or whatever, familiarize yourself with the slaughterhouse cases.

But the the beauty of that case yes, Myrca.

Sorry. My mic was not working earlier, I think.

I just wanted to let you know there's a new student. Her name, is

Hosanna,

h o s a n n a. So,

what you're talking about is important. I wanna hear it too. Okay. So I don't know if you wanna continue or ask.

Well, we're already off on this. We'll have some time left,

We're getting some unusual names around here,

If she's got questions, she can chime in. Okay? But we're kinda down this trail a little bit. Who's, who's filling their coffee cup right there?

I'm sorry. That was me.

Okay.

Alright. So I just came up with that sentence.

Finished files are the result of years of scientific study combined with the experience of years.

There are six f's in that sentence, and I missed

the third

f in of the third of.

I missed it, but I got all the rest of them.

Yeah. Well, you were. Yeah. But you knew what you were looking for. You knew the trick. See?

And you still missed one.

Right. That's even more proof.

Oh,

I'm sorry.

Okay. Fine.

Back on track. And,

so the reason the slaughterhouse cases is important,

one of the reasons,

is because of the newness of the subject

when the decision was made, three years difference.

And,

it's as if we were sitting here talking. I go, Craig, man, you remember January 6 when they did that insurrection at the Capitol? Well, we'd all remember that. It's fresh in our memories.

And that's why the slaughterhouse cases is so damned important,

and it lays everything out really well. Okay?

And in one part of that and I if I if my eyes were better, I could drag it out and read it for you, and I'm a have to do it from memory. Okay?

And it leads into the section with the Dred Scott decision.

Okay? Very famous. I mean, hell, the Dred Scott decision's still controversial.

K?

So it was a very controversial decision at the time if you don't or have never been exposed to Dred Scott.

It was a black man who escaped slavery, went to a free slave, you know, no slave state Illinois,

and then tried to become a citizen. And they said,

you can't be a citizen of The United States by anything short of an amendment to the constitution.

Well, they just said you can't be a citizen of The United States with the decision, and that's what led to so much controversy.

Okay? Well, in the slaughterhouse cases, they lead this section with Dred Scott and talking about the controversial

Dred Scott decision,

and, that there was also a lot of talk in DC at the time

because and he and it says in that part, it says it was in the newspapers.

It was in the public journals

and another, pub public circles. It was a

obviously, for them to bring it up like that, it was an issue of much discussion.

And the discussion was

just like Dred Scott

with the limitations of Dred Scott,

someone who'd been born and raised in the territories

or Washington DC

was not a citizen of The United States Of America

because they weren't state citizens,

and they couldn't become citizens

with anything short of an amendment to the constitution.

So those are some of the things that led up to it. Okay?

And the people and you can't tell me. And the thing this is a real big contention for me because I've never heard anybody else comment on it. And it's only because of my familiarity

this one day. You know, I told you get enough knowledge and your mind starts giving you answers and questions and stuff, and that's what happened here. And we were talking about that very passage on the air one day, and it hit me. I said, well, you can't tell me,

and I won't buy it if you try to, that everybody

that was in Washington DC and the territories

were were black slaves.

K? And if a person had been born in DC or the territories,

they were basically

stateless.

They had no country. They weren't state citizens. They didn't belong officially to The United States Of America.

They weren't citizens of France or anything else. They were stateless.

And so these are some of the things that led up to the passage of this. And behind the scenes, I'm totally convinced now that they knew exactly what they were doing.

And they were setting this thing up and hide I believe you can go over the way it was done

and pull that out of there too, by the way. But they knew exactly what they were doing. They fomented a war. Over 600,000

of our people,

brother against brother, killed each other so these sorry pieces of shit could get those two amendments in the constitution.

K?

So let's go back to the way it was passed.

After the war,

they let

the southern legislators

back into congress to vote on the thirteenth amendment.

Six that was in June.

Six months later, when they went to pass the fourteenth amendment,

they had kicked their states out of the union. Here's these Southern states, which just fought this ugly war

to remove themselves from the union.

Now after the war, the union kicks them

out and won't let them back in to vote unless they ratify the fourteenth amendment when they just let them back in to vote without any questions to vote on the thirteenth amendment. Does that seem a little squirrelly to you, Craig?

It sounds like politicians.

Yeah. Okay. Well, it sounds like there's a motive or an agenda at play, doesn't it?

Definitely does.

Okay. And so they wouldn't let the people back in to vote on the fourteenth amendment

unless they ratified it. They k?

So that was the scenario and how those two things got passed.

And, of course, then it set up this secondary citizenship. And the thing that amazes me, Craig,

is I mean, I've studied a lot of these cases. John found them. I didn't find them. You know, Elk versus Wilkins,

few years later, just a few bit. But with less than ten years later, another big case on the fourteenth amendment. Then you got Wong Kim Ark towards the end of the century. You got Plessy v Ferguson two years before Wong Kim Ark. So

in all of those, especially

Plessy, okay,

in all of those,

it's just assumed that it was for black slaves.

Nobody that I've ever seen addresses that question.

What about Whitey that was born and raised in Washington, DC

that also got this fed federal citizenship?

So you see what I'm talking about, the differential here?

Somewhat. So I think there was a lot of people all over the country in the different territories. Was there not? Like, in

at that time, was, like, a foreign state? I'm not even sure, but there was a lot of states that were territories. So that Right. Put a lot of people under

federal jurisdiction

at that point. Well, what if they were state citizens and there was no federal jurisdiction

except that of the, you know, these territories?

But were they stay state citizens before they moved off and tried to find some land out in the territory?

And just because they're in the territory, doesn't mean their state citizenship didn't apply because they were the only ones that had true citizenship

up to this point. Okay?

So and even you can go back,

even in, Justice Story's commentaries on the constitution. Justice Story, one of the very celebrated early, supreme court justices back in the eighteen hundreds. He wrote a book called Commentaries on the Constitution.

And it says right in there, a citizen of the state is ipso facto

a citizen of The United States. Now this was in the early eighteen hundreds. When he said United States, everybody knew what he was talking about. Technically, he should've said United States Of America.

K?

But this is the little equivocation

they drove this whole truck through.

K?

And so

even justice story said, a a citizen of the state is ipso facto by the mere fact. A citizen of the state is ipso facto a citizen of The United States Of America. He should have added. Okay?

But it was understood at that time. Alright?

So, anyway, what the thirteenth and the fourteenth amendment did was establish and set up a federal citizenship

to,

on the surface, alleviate the inconsistencies

of Dred Scott

and also come back in and give these people who were stateless

some for some form of political status

because they had none.

K?

So but the important thing, Craig, to look at now as I've come all these years thinking about this

is to look at the thirteenth amendment,

and that's the one that hardly ever gets mentioned. Everybody talks about the fourteenth amendment. They don't talk about the thirteenth amendment very much. K?

And so if you go to that amendment, I'm gonna paraphrase it here for us.

It says neither

slavery nor involuntary servitude

is permitted in any state. Remember, they let the state legislators

back to vote on this. Okay?

Unless a person has been duly convicted of a crime

and dada dada dada

and their

jurisdictions

at the end, their

jurisdictions.

So there is plural. It was obviously

passed for the states. Right?

Yes. It sounds

correct.

But I don't know any other conclusions you can draw from it.

K?

And so

there,

the plurality

there and the fact that they leave out

voluntary

servitude,

neither slavery nor involuntary

servitude shall be allowed.

They leave out voluntary servitude. Now they had to.

Because earlier in the constitution,

it says that they can't impair the ability to contract.

And a voluntary

servitude

is always contract, and it's also always voluntary.

Do you get that, Craig?

Yes. But it's left out. Okay? So there's some

point you could say voluntary servitude is legal by omission, isn't it?

Yes. That seems like that's what we're in today.

I mean, if you if they don't expressly outlaw it, then it's legal.

K?

So you've got that lack of voluntary servitude being stated in the in the thirteenth amendment,

and it ends with their

jurisdictions.

Now let's look at the fourteenth amendment.

It says all persons born or naturalized in The United States, comma, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.

The

jurisdiction thereof,

to the best of my English, is is singular, isn't it?

Yes.

So there's the plural,

and there's the singular.

So Barnes,

how can it be the great equalizer when it's there in The States previously?

K?

And do you see now let's start let's put our other hat on

and start looking at this from our enemy's point of view.

They're wanting to set up a system to control the world a hundred years later.

So to do that, they've gotta control the whole country, don't they? Not just the federal part. They gotta control the whole country, don't they?

So what they did with the thirteenth amendment

was like casting a cast net

of taking it and throwing it out of DC

where it covered all the states

because they want those state citizens

to be federal citizens

where they've got control.

You see that?

Yes. It was kind of a lead up to the fourteenth, like, you're you're trying to portray or that. You know, see, remember, they do they do everything backwards.

Everything is set up backwards.

So the in thing they're gonna try and accomplish

of getting the state citizens over into this federal citizenship,

which they know damn well,

underlies,

overlies the the feudal system. They knew that back then. I promise you. K?

So they've gotta get away to get the state citizens

into that federal jurisdiction.

That's why they did it first.

They always do the important things first and in reverse. Look at 1913.

Bad year for our country. K? What did they pass first in 1913?

You know, the Federal Reserve Act was in December.

What did they pass first?

The sixteenth amendment.

They got the sixteenth amendment ratified in the spring, then they get the seventeenth amendment ratified in the summer, and it's only at the end of the year that they get the monetary thing in. They had to get the tax thing in first because the tax thing absolutely

dictates

the success of the control of the monetary system. If they don't have the tax

issue in in first, and for some reason, they're not able to get it in later, then everybody's gonna know who created the inflation, aren't they?

They always

set everything up in reverse.

So what was your comment, Craig?

They they were setting it up, so there's no way it could fail, it seems.

Well, they you know, but you've seen on TV these domino things where somebody sets up this elaborate

domino thing, and they press the first one and it does all this stuff. And at the end, the basketball drops in a hoop or something.

But they always set it up backwards, don't they?

Watch them set it up.

K?

So that they can execute it from the front because it's been set up properly.

So this is one of their techniques.

Everything's always set up backwards

so they can execute it frontwards.

Well, that's what's going on here. Same thing.

Thirteenth amendment, hey. Let's set the states up so we can get all those people away from those god given laws and get them over here under our control.

Hey. It's also,

if you wanna go into the fourteenth amendment,

I mean, it's fascinating,

really, because it seems so simple when you look at it. All persons born and naturalized in The United States, comma,

and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,

comma, are citizens of The United States and the state wherein they reside.

Can you see what the setup is there? Okay. First of all, let's go over the legal landmines in that sentence.

Because you can read it. You won't see this. K?

All persons. Well, that's legal persons. That's not everybody.

It's people who receive their rights from the federal government and civil rights and know the federal government and their duties.

So there's the first one, all persons

born.

Oh, you mean born, like, in the feudal system when you're assigning a political status at birth determined on where you're born?

Oh,

yeah.

So there's two.

All persons born or naturalized.

There's another one. Before the fourteenth amendment,

people were naturalized in the states.

They weren't react naturalized in the federal government. There was no status there.

So there's another one. All persons born are naturalized. There's three landmines in those words right there.

K? All persons born in natural life in The United States. Well, notice it doesn't say United States Of America, does it?

It's clearly federal, United States.

So this is a federal citizenship.

So there's another one,

comma,

and.

Well, there's another one. It doesn't say all persons born or naturalized in The United States are subject to the jurisdiction thereof.

A command. It says and.

So if there's some that are and subject,

there's some that are and not subject.

Correct?

Yeah. Sounds like a definite maybe.

Okay. The and subject subject?

You mean like a subject, like the king and queen have subjects?

There there's another one. Subject to the jurisdiction.

Well, what's jurisdiction?

Thereof.

So how what's that? Six legal landmines or seven right there in the first two clauses?

Right there in front of you.

K? Well, if you meet that and you're subject to the jurisdiction thereof,

then you're a citizen of The United States and the state wherein you reside or a resident.

Well, there's how you know they set this up.

Because now that we understand what they're doing,

those are the two questions they ask you that lock you into this thing.

Okay? So the fourteenth amendment

is a two pronged legal test. The first prong, you gotta be born or naturalized in The United States.

They'll take care of you with that with this bankruptcy because they're gonna put you into that condition, okay, in this fraudulent surety scheme.

K? So there's the first prong.

The second prong is you've gotta be subject to the jurisdiction thereof.

Barnes went into that too. He didn't have he doesn't have this at all. K? So you gotta be and subject to the jurisdiction thereof. That's the second prong of the two prong legal test. Well, if you are and you meet both of those criteria

and that test,

you're a citizen of The United States or a resident.

That's what it says.

Right?

Yes.

Okay. Well, there's your two questions

that they're gonna ask you a hundred years later. Are you a citizen of The United States? Are you a resident? You don't know what they're asking you. You answer yes and sign something. Well, I guess you're subject to the jurisdiction you, thereof voluntarily then, aren't you, Craig?

So far, yes.

Okay. The

they fought that war to get these amendments in the constitution

to control the world a hundred years later through the monetary

supply

with us as collateral

and The United States Dollar as the world reserve currency.

They had that planned out a hundred

and seventy years ago.

And when you understand what's happened and you go back and analyze that like we just did right there, it's plain as a neon flashing sign

to me. May not be to you, but it is to me.

No. It's really nice, or it's

very helpful to have you define these legal terms that most of us just think are common,

you know, grammar language

that we use all the time. But they use it as ways to, you know, enslave us.

As I've said many times, they set us up with generalities,

and they zap us with specificity.

That's why you've got to know the specificity.

You can't go on generalities,

not in this legal stuff.

And, you know, the unfortunate thing is, Craig,

the vast majority of our attorneys

don't even know the legal definition of the word person.

I found out the attorneys I had, they don't know a lot of stuff.

Well, you know, I think it's, Bruce that comes on here and

tells us about Robert Clarkson. Have you heard any of those decisions or those discussions?

I have not.

Robert Clarkson is not with us any longer. I was never a student of his, but I knew about him.

He was,

up in South Carolina, and he went to University of South Carolina Law School, I believe Bruce told us.

And when he got out, he sued the law school for not teaching him law.

And the case went to the supreme court, and they decided in his favor.

Wow.

They don't teach a law anymore. They teach a procedure.

I'll use the story again on this word person, Craig. You know, if you've heard me tell this story, it's from John, my teacher.

And at one point, John decided that he was gonna well, at least it it was his facade here.

And so he said, well, I'm gonna call one of the deans of the law schools. He was in Utah. I don't know which one. Called the dean of the law school and got the dean of the law school on the phone. You know? And he said, hey. I think I'm just thinking about coming back and taking some classes. And the dean goes, oh, man. We'd love to have you. You know? They're having this nice cordial conversation. And

John says, well, you know, I'm particularly

interested in the word person.

And the dean goes, oh, no problem.

We teach that in an elective course called jurisprudence.

And when we have enough people sign up for it, we teach the course.

And John said,

when was the last time you taught it?

Six years ago.

Six graduating

classes went through his law school without being,

exposed

to the legal meaning behind the word person.

Do you wanna know why your lawyers are so ignorant?

Yes.

Well, that's why.

Because these people have had control

of an organization

called the American Association of Colleges and Law Schools,

and we know for a fact that they had control of them a hundred years ago. If they control the umbrella in, institution,

you think maybe they influence the curriculum that's taught in law schools, Greg?

They sure do. Just like doctors.

Just like the Rockefellers took over the medical system and were dealt with this crap today,

These people took over the legal system about the same time.

And I liken them

to old

Wild West Indians,

Craig,

in the

illustration here

that, you know, the even the the very best

Indians that were trackers

and stuff,

well, they would go and send their scouts up, and they'd peek over the sand hill there and see Custer

and the troops down there in the Valley.

And then they would turn around

and back out with a brush

and brush their footprints

away.

And that's exactly what these guys do.

They are very

slick.

Very.

So,

that's what you got. And from then on, you had, and this is interesting. Let's continue this a little bit. Okay? And let's go over the major cases in the eighteen hundreds on this. That was an 1871

slaughterhouse.

1878

was Elk v Wilkins.

Elk, e l k, Elk v Wilkins.

And that was a case where Elk was an Indian.

And after the fourteenth amendment, he wanted to participate

in the federal voting process.

So he came off the reservation, and he went to town,

and Wilkins was the registrar.

And so Elk tried to register to vote, and Elkin said, you're an Indian. You can't register to vote on the fourteenth amendment.

And so Elk went back to the reservation. Voting day came.

He came off the reservation and went to the polls.

Wilkins was on the polls because he was the registrar, and he wouldn't let him vote again.

K? And so Elk took the case to court. It went all the way to the Supreme Court. And guess what the Supreme Court said?

Craig?

He couldn't vote?

You can't vote.

This is for black slaves. You're an Indian. What were they really telling him indirectly?

You're sovereign.

You're a sovereign.

You can't do this.

Interesting.

If you're and and in that case is the only time

that they go in and cover this phrase

and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.

They cover it in that case, and they recite it in Wong Kim Ark.

K?

And in the case, it said totally,

under the political

jurisdiction

of the federal government and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.

So we went along another

decade or so, little longer than that. We had these Jim Crow laws in effect.

Right? Black restrooms, white restrooms.

Black drinking fountains, white drinking fountains. Okay?

So there's your two

political statuses.

They

want to

personify

it in an ethnic question.

Oh, you're black, you're over here. You're white, you're over here. Well, in our earlier discussion,

what did the people that were white or other ethnicities

in the in DC and the territories

that were affected by this status change and this initiation of status on the federal level?

What which which side did they go to?

Did they go to the white side, or did they go to the black side?

Well, we don't know.

Nobody ever talks about it. But you see, this wasn't a black and a white issue.

This is a political status issue. The state citizens had god given rights.

The new federal citizens had civil rights from the federal government.

So it wasn't a black and white issue, was it? It was just personified

in that ethnic presentation

as proven by Elk.

K?

So we go on, and with this Jim Crow law thing gets,

gets people PO'd.

And so a progressive newspaper

down in New Orleans

had a very big reach for their day, I assume,

because they wanted to challenge the Jim Crow laws.

And they took up a contribution,

and they raised $3,000

in the eighteen nineties. A lot of money back then. Okay?

They raised $3,000

from their readers,

and they went out and found Plessy.

They had to go hunt to find Plessy. Craig, have you ever heard us talk about this before?

I vaguely the the name sounds familiar, but I'd like you to continue because this is Well, I'm gonna continue. I'm gonna continue, and I'm also gonna tell you that this is probably the most important case of the Supreme Court in all of this. And you've never heard

one other Patriot researcher

even bring it up.

K?

And so they had to go find Plessy.

And the reason they found Plessy specifically,

Craig, an audience,

is because Plessy

was nine

tenths

white

and one tenth black.

They found him.

They set up a scene

at the an

interstate

railroad, not intrastate where it goes over to Mississippi or Texas,

but a railroad that was only in state in Louisiana

for total state jurisdiction.

K?

And they brought Plessy to the train station dressed up in his Sunday best, no doubt,

and they went in and put him in the white only railroad car.

And they had the detectives there to arrest him. They had the newspapers

alerted on top of theirs. So all the photographers and the reporters were there to witness

nine tenths white Plessy

get arrested

for going on the white only

railroad car. One tenth

made that.

So at that point, it doesn't seem like it's about political status, does it?

It seems like it's about color,

but it wasn't. It's political status.

Okay? So they take the case to court.

The first judge that rules on it rules against him, and his name was Ferguson.

And they enjoined Ferguson in the case. The case went all the way to the Supreme Court.

And, you know, I have the Supreme Court as these little thumbnail

decisions,

little descriptions.

And so the thumbnail description

for Plessy

is separate

but equal.

Separate

but equal.

So my question

to the audience here,

how can black drinking fountains and white drinking fountains, black railroad cars and white railroad cars, how can those be equal?

Greg?

They're not.

No. They are.

They both

had a political

status

inside

the same country.

So Plessy,

even though it personified it in black versus white, the decision was correct. They both have a political status, therefore, they're equal. They don't go, and I don't know, I've never read the case, they don't go into the well, how does somebody with god given rights equal to somebody with man given civil rights? They they don't go they may go into that. But that's the equality

is they both had a political status.

That's a very fascinating case.

Okay?

And that's the case.

The let me just finish, and we'll go to your question. That's the case they had to overcome

to get their system effective, and we'll cover that in a second. What's your question?

So when you're saying

I I'm just trying to,

assimilate all this and try to make sense of it, because this is some really neat stuff. I like the way you

give us the history and the court cases and

your logic to back it up, you know, for why they did it and so forth.

Now I'm losing my thought. But it was

what happened is the the black people

or

they gave political status to the black people, and they're saying that it's equal to the state's rights

because now Correct. They're equal to because they have federal rights, they're equal to the state citizens

because the state citizens have

political

state rights.

I guess they're not given rights from their state. Rights. Correct.

They were state citizens. The others were the new federal citizens, so they weren't stateless anymore. They got a status.

And because they've got a status

in in the only way I figured is that's how they came out with equality. Well, you know, people with god given rights are not equal to people's civil rights. Sorry.

Okay. But this was a very contentious question.

And interesting to note, something I've just become aware of, I should go back and read it, so should some of y'all,

the dissent

in Plessy versus Ferguson, not the affirm affirmation, but the dissent

was written by John Harlan, the great dissenter

from a very blue blood family in Kentucky.

K?

And he was in the dissent. I don't know what he dissented in that case, but he dissented against him. And so but the equality had to be political status, doesn't it?

There there there's no other way those two things are equal.

And them, our enemies, to pull off their scheme

had to make us all equal. Like Barnes said, the great equalizer is the fourteenth amendment.

But Barnes has never obviously gone into this stuff we're talking about today.

K?

So that was in 1896,

Craig,

was Plessy.

I mean, it's an extremely interesting case, really. You know?

And so then separate would but equal was,

code was, decided on by the court. That's their decision.

Well, two years later, we get another

really important case,

and it's called US versus Wong Kim Ark.

Wong Kim

Ark

is obviously not black.

K?

Now what happened in that period of time in the in that the the late eighteen hundreds

was we had all kinds of Chinese immigrants coming over,

you know, huge Chinese immigration wave.

In fact, about twenty

something years ago,

one of the big guys from sixty minutes, and I can't remember his name right off the bat,

did a whole PBS special on Wong Kim Ark.

Murr, you ought to get on your little search engine and see if you can drudge that up because it is really informative.

K?

It's like like Wallace.

One of those guys.

It wasn't him, but it was one of those

I'll look it up. People. Y Kim. Okay? And it was on Wong Kim Ark. Hour and a half, I believe, special on PBS.

Just on Wong Kim Ark.

K?

Now Juan Kim Ark, if you ever heard that before,

it may have been back when Obama was president

because there was a big question about his birth certificate and his credentials and all that stuff. I'm sure everybody remembers all that.

And this is the case that all the birthers used

because it is the

single case in the history of our country and the Supreme Court where they went into great depth

on all these things like denizenship,

citizenship,

domicile,

all that stuff's in there. Okay?

Why ambassadors

that are over here and have a child aren't subject to the fourteenth amendment and the exclusions and these rules

and all that kind of stuff is covered in Wong Kim Ark. Okay? But the the situation of the case

was Wong Kim Ark's parents immigrated from China

over to San Francisco where he was born.

So he fifth your Yes.

I found the two minute thirty nine clip I can send to Paul. I haven't listened to it yet. But,

yeah, that, and I haven't found who did it yet, but, I'll find the whole thing. But there is a clip here that might be interesting. Well, why don't you send that clip to Paul, and let's play it since we're talking about it. Okay?

Okay. So when you get it, Paul, and you're ready, let me know. So Wong's parents come over. They have him.

So he fits the bill of all persons born or naturalized in The United States, doesn't he? K? California was a state back then, 1848.

So he decides as he gets older to go back to China.

So he goes back to China to visit his grandparents,

and he comes back.

He gets in. Immigration lets him in. No problem.

A few years later, he makes the same trip, and he goes back.

And when he comes back again,

they won't let him in.

K? And that was in the period of time, and that's what this,

special that that guy did. I think Paul's gonna play a little bit of it here for us in a minute.

That was the uprising

against all the Chinese

that had immigrated over, and they were using the Chinese as slaves. They built most of the railroads,

especially through the tough part of the mountains and stuff because, quite frankly, they didn't give a damn if the Chinese got killed.

Okay?

And so that was the situation. He was born here. He left once, got back in, left the second time. They wouldn't let him back in. So at the same time, there's all this backlash and discrimination

against the Chinese.

So the only outlet they had

was to file court suits.

And so there was thousands. I've over 10,000,

I believe, they said in this,

show on it. Over 10,000

cases were filed by the Chinese

as they were clogging up the court system.

And they let one case go through,

and that's Wong Kim Ark.

Paul, you got that

yet?

No. I don't have it yet. Mur, drop it in chat in PPM studio.

Only in one case sounds pretty prejudiced.

Well, it's a very interesting case because what they basically

did here

was took what was

up to that point known to be associated with blacks,

and they associated it with everybody else now. So as John said,

they took Wong Kim Ark and built the superstructure

that they were gonna use to enslave everybody.

K? Because now and in the case, they talk about Chinese coolies.

They talk about Mexican peons,

and all of these people are in that same condition now.

So they didn't obviously come out and say whites,

but that was understood.

So in looking back and seeing what they did, they built the superstructure

and expanded it from Plessy versus Ferguson

and the blacks,

and they set it up to include everybody.

Now on the dissent

in Wong Kim Ark

written by chief justice Fuller, a guy named Fuller

was the

the chief justice of the Supreme Court. He sat up there for at least ten years or more. He was from Maine. I did a little research on him. He was from Maine originally.

He went to law school, and he ended up in Chicago,

and his specialty was real estate law.

And then he got in on the bench and got to be the Supreme Court. So he knew real estate law. Okay?

And so in that decision,

chief justice Fuller

and, again, the great John Harlan, the great dissenter,

wrote the dissent

in Wong Kim Ark.

They dissented with the majority on the conclusions.

And in that dissent,

hell, I should read it to Paul.

Paul, I'm gonna send you this on Skype. Sure.

Mark time for a second. I want you to read this. Okay?

Okay.

Alright.

I have the, clip

from Mer

queued,

and I need to connect to another computer to grab the,

text from Skype.

So

A spontaneous

audience, so just bear with us.

This is important right here.

Yeah. We're trying to be as spontaneous

as we can be.

Here we go. I've got Skype up on the other computer,

so I can grab the text and bring it over.

Roger, just remember,

Hosanna is still on, and then I, wanted to share something about the link I shared with you earlier

after you're done.

Just wanna say thanks a lot, Roger. This will be a a great one to listen to to,

again, you know, if you have questions about what you're, you know, espousing here because I definitely think like the

the cases that you're referring to are definitely gonna read them. I'm not much of

a law. You know, I would never do you know, go through and read different cases unless, you know, it was something that I was charged with or whatever.

But,

this is very interesting to me, and, just thanks again. It's

look forward to It's everything that's going forward.

It it's critically important. If you don't understand this stuff, you you're not gonna get the big picture. K. Hey, God. Just That's why I was trying to to to infer that this was important for us all to to know because that's kind of the backbone of what we're doing.

It is. It is the backbone. Okay. Murr, what was your question?

I I just wanna say, Murrka found the whole thing on YouTube. It'll be in rogersales dot detango.

Oh, good deal. Good deal. I like actually, I'd like to watch that again myself. So please keep put it in the mailbox. Right?

Yeah.

Because it's a really well produced program. A lot of good background information on it.

K.

So, Paul? I've got I've got the two minute and thirty nine second clip ready.

I can play that one as you're digging out the text you want me to read.

I've got I've got it's in your Skype already. Play play the clip that they found here, and then we can read from the descent here. So if you'll play the clip, we can get that out of the way.

Okay. And I didn't get anything in Skype yet, so I'll be looking for it while it's playing. Here it goes. Oh, bet I sent it to the wrong purse. I bet I sent it to Thumper for god's sake.

Okay.

Let's try this.

Juan Kumar was a native born American born of Chinese immigrant parents in California

in the eighteen seventies.

He had made several trips

to China

a few times before,

but in 1894,

he goes again

and he comes back through San Francisco.

And at that time,

the San Francisco collector of customs

is a well known anti Chinese opponent named John Wise.

And he was eager for a test case to have the US government consider.

Is there such a thing as a native born Chinese American who can be a US citizen

if his parents are ineligible

for citizenship under the nation's naturalization

laws?

So even

though Wonka Mark had been allowed to reenter The United States

a few times

before as a native citizen born in The United States,

John Wise

decides to deny him reentry

in 1894.

At stake was a bedrock constitutional issue.

Under the fourteenth amendment,

could a Chinese American born in The US of immigrant parents be considered an American citizen

or not?

The US attorney, arguing the government's case, insisted that even though Wong Kim Ark had been born in The United States, it was an accident of birth that did not override the fact that his parents were foreigners,

ineligible to citizenship.

Wong Kim Ark

fought it all the way to the Supreme Court to establish something that we take for granted today.

In 1898,

in a landmark ruling,

the US Supreme Court,

citing the citizenship clause of the fourteenth amendment,

ruled that Wong Kim Ark, like anyone else born on American soil, was an American citizen.

And this is the case. This is the precedent that establishes

a US birthright citizenship

for all.

Wong Kim Wan of 1898

is really important because

it secures the citizenship

status of Chinese born in The United States and all children born of immigrants

in The United States.

What did it set up? What did Wong Kim Ark set up?

Anchor Babies.

Kamala Harris.

Yes.

All of them.

This is anchor babies. This is where it came from.

That's where a Mexican mom

crosses the Rio Grande,

has the baby. The baby is a citizen of The United States. The mom and dad are Mexican nationals.

But now because the baby is a citizen of The United States, they can bring the whole damn extended family in.

Yes.

Okay.

You want me to read the highlighted stuff? I wanna set it up I wanna set it up first.

Okay. What Paul's gonna read you

is from the descent

with Fuller and Harlan,

and this is the first time somebody saw the feudal system in the fourteenth amendment

in the descent

of Wong Kim Ark.

So read what now when they say the act

here, it's talking about the Civil Rights Act of 1866

that became the fourteenth amendment. Okay? So read what the that straight this is straight out of Wong Kim Ark

with a camera

that I took in a while back and it's and and we're able to read it. I can't read it with my eyes. Go ahead, Paul.

Read it slowly. The rule

the rule was the outcome of the connection

in feudalism

between the individual

and the soil on which he lived.

And the allegiances

and the

what? I don't I don't get that word. I gotta gotta zoom in on this more.

And

the allegiance

That's negligence. Do

was that of

to their.

There it is. As local

and temporary

as was the obedience to the laws owed by aliens within the dominions of the crown,

but permanent

and indissoluble

and not to be canceled by any change of time or place or circumstances.

What does it say in blacks? A villain regarding.

Attached to the land,

property,

and transferable

by deed,

your birth certificate.

There it is.

Not to be canceled by time or place.

Only one way you can cancel it, volunteer out.

Right there, 1898,

they're the first ones that we've got documentation

that they saw what this was. They saw where they were going, and they identified it in that dissent.

Two of the greatest justices that ever served on the court.

John Harlan, particularly.

K?

So there it is right there in Wong Kim Ark.

Super important case.

And there's your answer. If you wanna put this in front of anybody, here's the chief justice and one of the greatest justices ever to serve on the Supreme Court, John Harlan,

and they're telling you what it is.

Hello, Roger. It's Bruce.

Hey, Bruce.

Good morning.

That carries through even through your death

all the way to eternity.

It's not void at any time. I'd say that's probably right.

And these guys are interested in dead. You can't fall into your house.

Well, let me tell you what. The the answer to this question.

If you don't think this soul thing's important,

why do they want and require you to get a COVID shot if you're gonna be euthanized?

Because the COVID shot steals your soul.

Correct. That's the only conclusion you can draw.

It separates you from God by,

killing the pineal gland.

Okay.

So

so those are cases worth your review and familiarization.

Okay?

Now

just a couple of years later, three years later,

there was another case in front of the Supreme Court that kinda dealt with this, and it involves John Harlan.

And I can't pull this up and send it to you, Paul. I wish I could. I'll I can paraphrase it, though.

And the case

was Downs

v

Bidwell.

Downs

v

Bidwell.

Supreme Court case,

and the part we're interested in is the dissent again by the great dissenter,

John Harlan.

And if you can find it on Wikipedia, if somebody wants to drag it up under Downs v Bidwell, and it's a little ways down in the article, but amazing to me that Wikipedia pulls this out of that case and puts it in oft confusing

and disinformation Wikipedia.

And, buddy, he's got it nailed right here again, John Harland. Okay?

And he's the the Downs v Bidwell

was a group of cases like the slaughterhouse cases, and I didn't give you that background. Background, but they combined a bunch of cases, so they call it the slaughterhouse cases. Just like Wong Kim Ark with all the Chinese cases, they didn't combine them. They just did Wong Kim Ark. But over here at slaughterhouse

and over here at Downs v Bidwell,

they they're they're called

those are called the insular

cases.

And Downs v Bidwell was one of the insular cases decided on by the court.

The insular cases were all over

all this land that we'd taken over in the Spanish American war, like The Philippines and

American

Samoa

and others. Okay? And they're bringing some of these issues up in these insular cases.

This one case down v Bidwell,

Harlan dissents, and he basically says,

ladies and gentlemen of the court,

what we have here in front of us are two different forms of government.

One, under the constitutional

with constitutional

protections

and the other, very much mimicking the monarchies of Europe.

God help us if we ever go that direction.

So he's got not only the feudal system identified three years earlier, he's coming in and showing you they're setting up two sects two different forms of government.

It's right there.

I've got both the decision and the dissenting opinion.

Well, if if you can find that excerpt and read it, I mean, I can't even

begin

to touch his eloquence.

The dissenting opinion was written by justice John Marshall Harlan,

who held that congress

was always bound to enact laws within the jurisdiction of the constitution.

This nation is under the control of a written constitution, the supreme law of the land, and the only source of the powers which our government

or any branch or officer of it may exert at any time or at any place.

He held that the Congress had no existence

and thus had no

authority outside

the constitution.

He continued, the idea prevails with some. Indeed, it has expression in arguments that far. This is it. Star. The idea prevails. Start there. Listen.

Listen.

The idea prevails with some. Indeed,

it has expression in arguments at the bar

that we have in this country substantially

two national

governments.

One to be maintained under the constitution

with all its restrictions,

and the other to be maintained by congress

outside and independently

of that instrument

by exercising such powers as other nations of the earth are accustomed to.

I take leave to say that if the principles

thus announced should ever receive the sanction

of a majority of this court,

a radical and mischievous change in our system will result.

We will, in that event,

pass from the era of constitutional

liberty

guarded and protected by a written constitution

into an era of legislative

absolutism.

It will be an evil day for

American liberty

if the theory

of a government outside the supreme law of the land finds lodgment in our constitutional

jurisprudence,

no higher duty

rests upon this court

than to exert its full authority

to prevent

all violation

of the principles of the constitution.

See, he saw it. He saw he saw him building it. Okay?

He didn't know they were gonna bankrupt the country and put everybody into the Jim Crow status, but they saw him building it.

Thank you, Paul. You were the heckler guy. And that was Oh, is that in 1898?

No. That was in nineteen o one.

Nineteen o one. And John Harlan was from a very, very blue blood family in Kentucky.

And

interestingly enough, his son

followed him at the Supreme Court. So you have John Harlan senior and John Harlan junior both sat on the Supreme Court. K? And I'm assuming the acorn

doesn't fall too far from the tree

here.

K?

So people saw it.

They didn't understand it because it wasn't completed yet. The other place, Craig, where I found somebody that saw it was congressman Lewis t McFadden.

And in that book, I think we've got a PDF of it on the website, don't we, Paul? The 31 collective speeches of William t McFadden?

I had it in book form.

Yeah. We do have it.

I thought somebody sent me a message.

It's in docs.exposethematrix.com.

Okay. I can't advise.

I mean, I've still got that book. I got it when I was very early into this because I saw McFadden

referenced on his speech that is the one that most people are familiar with. The Jews have all the gold and the Gentiles have all the paper. That was the title of his speech on the floor House of the Floor, the guy that was the head of the house banking committee who'd been a banker in his previous career. Okay?

And so I kept seeing him reference in the early days when I was reading it. I saw that book, and I had found a source to buy it, OmniBookClub,

and I bought it, and I started reading it. Unfortunately, his knowledge and my knowledge at the same time were not the same, and I had to read over a bunch of stuff that I just flat didn't understand. You know? It gets into how the BIS was formed and all these things that they had done and all this stuff. And, in one and I excerpted a number of those speeches in my book.

And in one of the excerpts I put in there,

he stated on the floor of the house, the head of the banking committee for the whole time he was in congress from the day he was elected, he was the head of the house banking committee.

From 1916

up until they killed him in 1933.

Okay? So a guy of great knowledge. Alright? And on one of his speeches on the floor, he says,

with they're erecting a Machiavellian

feudal

system that's straight out of William t McFadden's

lips.

So these are the people that saw it before they pulled the trigger.

K?

And and and so they go up. And it's important to note here also, and we've talked about this fairly recent knowledge to me because I didn't know this till within the last couple of years.

The bankruptcy was a bond market bankruptcy.

The stock market crash had been in 1829.

The stock market is an equity market.

That's where you buy stocks on companies, and its equities has value.

The bond market's a debt market.

Bond is the root word of bondage.

So they bankrupted the country in the bond market, which they had total control of because they control the Federal Reserve.

Okay?

And the real key here

to understanding the premeditated

nature of this

was in 1921

when they passed birth certificate

legislation.

We didn't have birth certificates before 1921.

People registered births and deaths and marriages in the family bible. In 1921,

right after World War one,

twelve years before they knew they were gonna pull the trigger on this thing,

they bring in the birth certificate law. So everyone

born from '21

up to '33

had a birth certificate on file, didn't they?

Yes. Didn't they? Okay.

So when they pull the string and they bankrupt the bond market, the country in the bond market,

well, in those days leading up to that, all contracts had a gold settlement clause in them. If you can't settle it in money or we don't take it, you're gonna settle this contract in gold.

And I'm virtually sure just from putting pieces together that this is where they took the gold in the bankruptcy.

They bankrupted it to themselves.

The bonds had a gold settlement contract in it. However, they bankrupted it. They came in and seized all the gold

in the gold settlement contract clause on the bonds.

I'm sure that's what happened. Okay?

So in there, 1933,

they bankrupt the country, March 9.

And

if you had a somebody has a black's law dictionary,

open it up and go to the bank holiday of nineteen thirty three.

Can somebody access that real quick? I can basically paraphrase it if you can't, but I'd like for somebody to read it straight out of Black's.

Does anybody have a box there they can access real quick? Is Joe with us?

I guess one of the pictures.

It doesn't matter.

I have one.

Alright. Well, look up bank holiday of nineteen thirty three.

Proclamation.

Yes. Presidential proclamation number

2039,

issued 03/06/1933,

and number 2040 issued March 9. Let me

let me stop you right there. I wanna put something in real important.

Back in those days, they inaugurated the president on March 6. That's why that date's in there. So Roosevelt had just been elected

and just been sworn in, and he puts this proclamation out. Go ahead. Read it from the start again with that understood.

Presidential pluck proclamation number twenty thirty nine issued 03/06/1933

and number twenty forty issued 03/09/1933

temporarily suspended banking transactions by member banks of the Federal Reserve System.

Normal banking functions were resumed on March 13

subject to certain restrictions.

The first proclamation

it was held had no authority in law until the passage on 03/09/1933

of a ratifying act.

And it's gives the 12 USCA,

Anthony versus Bank of Wiggins.

One eighty three miss

the present law forbids

the present law forbids member banks of the Federal Reserve System to transact banking system

banking

business

except under regulations of the secretary of the treasury

during an emergency

proof.

Let me read that again.

The present law forbids member banks of the Federal Reserve System to transact banking business

except under regulations of the secretary of the treasury

during an emergency

proclaimed by the president.

Well, there's your war and emergency

powers act right there. Okay?

For the audience that's new to all this,

if you're new or if you just want some really, really substantial background on this date, this incident,

Eugene Schroeder

did him and eight other researchers in '9 in the mid nineties

did a extremely

thorough

research

on this incident,

and they put out

a written publication and a video

called war and emergency powers or trading with the enemy act.

You can find that over on Rumble. I know. You may be able to find it on BitShoot, but it's on Rumble.

And I've got it dialed up because I wanna watch it again, quite frankly.

I've not seen it in years until Joe brought it up one day on here. He actually knows Eugene Schroeder personally.

And I went back and watched it again. And, man, there are just tons of information in there. These guys did a great job. They put all the exhibits up on the stage, up on the screen.

He tells the story very well,

and, it shows you what they did here. And if you'll watch around the time

of the bankruptcy

in the film,

there's a comment and a quote from a US senator,

and he's commenting on the fact that immediately after this bank holiday,

they started requiring

people in agriculture

and whole

sale to have licenses.

They never had to have licenses

before.

This is the change in the find that.

Go ahead, Paul. Sorry, Raj.

You can find that at rumble.globalvoiceradio.net.

Rumble.globalvoiceradio.net.

And it'll be in

one of the the few recent shows.

It'll be easily within the first page.

Okay. Now this refers back to what John Harlan said in Downs v Bidwell.

Heaven help us if this form of government from the monarchies of yours, Europe takes effect in our country. This is when it took effect.

03/09/1933.

What else did we read out of blacks?

Banks have to conform to regulations issued by the secretary of the treasury. Right? It said at the end.

There was no secretary of the treasury

before March 9.

There was a treasurer,

but there was no secretary of the treasury,

and there weren't any regulations

because before that, we were under the constitution,

and we didn't have administrative agencies.

So there's absolute

total

100%

proof

that they changed the systems

in the bankruptcy

of 03/09/1933.

What else did they do, these little

skullduggers

bastards?

They went back and pulled a piece of legislation

called the trading with the enemy act from 1917

right at the start of World War one,

and they brought it forward to 1933

exactly

with the exception that they took Germans

out

and put citizens of The United States

in.

So they declared you and I and anybody else in this federal status

as the enemy of the country.

Go back and look at Eugene Schroeder's whole deal. It's exceptionally

good. Okay?

So that's all. Now let's look at this another way,

Craig.

Let's look at this

from this legal word property.

K? Now this is another one of these words

where they set us up with generalities and zap us with specificities.

We use this word property very liberally,

colloquially.

Hey, Craig. Is that car out there? I heard you paid off your last payment. Is that car out there in the driveway your property? And Craig's gonna say yes. And everybody listening is gonna know what we're talking about.

But that's not the way it is in the court.

In law,

property is a right, and the car is a thing.

And your property is a right in and to the thing.

Okay?

Slight difference,

very important.

You've heard property is a right.

All property is a right.

We use it incorrectly

colloquially.

You got that, Craig?

Yes. With many other terms that, you know, we've been discussing today.

Well, they do everything on this twin level. They do a colloquial level and a highly technical level, same word, and that's how they're tricking us. Joe, was that you trying to say something?

Yeah. I was gonna bring up this thing about the property and the car stuff because

I I I think I put this together, what they're doing here, and how they how because you said that this driving thing is the biggest issue that we have as Nash. Without a doubt.

And, I I think I put the some of the pieces together.

It's under Okay. There's there's a couple points. It says 28 US code

16 o five

has,

exceptions to jurisdictional immunity of a foreign state.

And the foreign states are defined as

these states. You know, all the states are considered foreign to each other.

But the first the the first two of the ones that we're really interested in, because the first one is if you waive your immunity.

And then the second point is if there's a commercial activity carried out in The United States

by a foreign state.

Right.

And then you lose the,

jurisdictional

immunity

as a foreigner. Right.

Right. But

then then here's the other part. See, now what the states do

is the certificate of origin of the car. Right? It's birth certificate.

That's the title. For the people who don't know, the title for your vehicle is the manufacturer's statement of origin, not the certificate of title they give you. And that's the point I'm trying to illustrate, but go ahead, Joe.

So what happens is that when you buy a car, it says in in the state laws because I was looking through several different states, and it's it's word for word the same thing minus, you know, when they've addressed the exact state, so they tell you who to send it to. But it says that when you buy the car, you're supposed to get it.

But

they make a provision in here in the in the in the statute saying that that the dealership can bypass

the seller and send it right to the

the the motor

vehicle. Right? And then what happens is that it becomes

their property,

and they submit it as being in commerce.

And then what happens is that

you get a certificate of title.

And this is in their this is in the statutes. This is not like

someone making this up. It's really interesting. It says so now what they'll do is that the state becomes the secured party

over that Right. Motor vehicle.

And

and,

it's subject to being it's considered it's still considered consumer good,

right, under under the uniform commercial code, but they have they're the secured party and have a and have a security interest

in the car. So now it's their property.

Yeah. That's why your dealership says, hey. Don't worry. We'll take care of the tag and the title for you.

Yeah. So I I had a friend who just kinda got them to not do it just recently. So he's he's driving around his motorcycle with his own plates on there, and it's a brand new motorcycle.

Well, thank you, Joe, for that. Now you're real good at digging that stuff up, and I applaud you for all that you've brought us. Okay?

Thank you very much, Joe. Here. Let me go back to my little story here, my little illustration

on this property thing. So we think in using a colloquial manner, they're using in a highly technical manner. Right?

So

before 03/09/1933,

we were still under the constitution. We were free. Right?

That's why we could use gold and silver.

Because we were free people,

we could buy things,

and because no one had a property right in them, we could own them.

And we used real money to pay for them.

After '33 with the new paper that we unknowingly are the collateral for,

we can still purchase things, but we can't own them because now they have a property right in us.

And we can control them, but we can't own them. That's why you can't get the manufacturer statement of origin.

This is when they change the system.

They put you into this Jim Crow

hidden underneath. It's the feudal system. They've got a property right in you from birth. And if you go back to the oath of fealty,

the oath of fealty is what started all this in the feudal system when someone volunteered

into servitude.

You take the oath of fealty. You'll you've got on both knees. You put your hands above your head like you were praying. The lord of the manor was standing

in front of you

on both knees.

That's very important

because it means total servitude.

K? And you did an oath, and you swore your body

and your worldly goods

to the lord of the manor.

Okay. I can see him volunteering in and swearing his body, but why did he swear his worldly goods?

Because in that condition, he's property, and he can't own anything. He pledged it to the lord of the manor.

This goes back over a thousand years, folks.

Established history with a thousand year precedent.

That's the change in the systems right there.

But there's another way of looking at it also.

There's a lot of ways of looking at

But there's there's another way of looking at it. If you look at if you drill down into the trading trading with the enemy act

and the war powers

act,

they declared citizens of The United States as enemies of the state.

Correct. Therefore,

we're the enemy.

We're prisoners of war.

We're prisoners

of war under the declared emergency that's been declared since before Lincoln.

And the tricky bastards got you to agree with it.

Well,

as a prisoner of war, everything you own becomes the spoils

of war.

Now this goes back to the

with this information covered, this goes back to the fourteenth amendment.

And my

I I swear it's just written in stone to me. They caused that war to get these two amendments in the constitution,

all persons born or naturalized in The United States. Well, they've covered that right here, haven't they? They get you a birth certificate. When they make the change and they issue the new bonds

under the now bankrupt country,

they take all this paper, and that's what's backing the bonds.

And in that Gene Schroeder thing, they'll tell you that they could take any commercial paper at that point and back bonds. That's why they passed the birth control, birth certificate in 1921.

So they'd have a whole pile of these things to attach to the new bond issues after they bankrupted the country and changed the system.

Right. Right. Well, we've been in a we've been a state we've been under a state of declared war since Lincoln. It's never been lifted. They just renamed it. They had the war on drugs, the war on illiteracy, the war on poverty. The They're real good at relabeling stuff. Okay? And the biggest shortfall of our community

is they chase the labels.

They don't learn the concepts.

And that's why they've all never been successful.

Well, the only label that you need to chase is the fact that you are the enemy if you're a citizen of The United States.

There's only two statuses. You're either free or you're a slave. Which one are you?

Oh, guess what? Guess what they call the folks from January 6?

They are prisoners

of war.

Right. And they're trying to hang them with the insurrection clause, which they used against them, and they're trying to use in Michigan now to set up Trump to try and keep him from running.

What did Trump say about a month ago? He came out and said, they're trying to charge me with some legislation

from 1917.

What's that? The trading with the enemy act where they brought it forward and took out Germans and put in citizens in The United States. Boy, you wanna throw a hitch in these guys' monkey wrench? Get this information to Trump and get him to give an affidavit in.

You know, he always said that Roger. That's in.

Go ahead, Gary.

That's why the other day, I said you need to you need to study the Libra code.

Okay. Well, I wasn't Study the Libra.

Oh, yeah. That's what I'm talking

about. You super

And electrical

outages.

And plan planopotentiary

is the p word you were talking about, Gary. Right?

Say, Gary.

Plenipotentiary

or the plenipotentiary.

Yes. In other words, all powerful ones could go and talk about war, but not stop the war. Let that keep going on while they talk.

Yeah. That's why I said the Libri code is so important to what's really going on today.

And that planet whatever that word is, mer Yeah. Planet of potential is scary.

Plenty of potential to carry.

That's the word they're using to justify all the GMOs,

the chemtrails,

the

propaganda,

everything.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, we're the owners of street.

It's in bankruptcy. You're a bunch of slaves and declared enemies.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse. You ought to know what the hell you are, shouldn't you?

Hey. I wanna get this in here quick too before we go off is, Paul,

every time I look for that rumble channel under how you say it is,

all I can find is PG Beaner.

And that has a Eugene Schroeder on there. Just a That's me. For you. I know. That's me. Give that when you give that whole global voice network stuff, that doesn't come up.

No. Global voice network doesn't come up. That's my own private that's my own private Rumble channel.

Less than I waste. Time on that right now. We just got a couple of minutes left. I can button this up for you. Okay? And then the new student was still waiting. Well, the new student might have to come back, but we'll try and get to her after hours or something. Okay? So,

now

you can see the two questions, can't you, at the end of the fourteenth amendment?

If you're this test and that test, which you volunteer into,

you're a citizen of The United States and the state wherein you reside

a resident.

There's the two questions

that they conveniently

bring up a hundred years later

to get your agreement to their fraudulent scheme.

So now you've agreed to it.

Right. You don't think you had this figured out before they put those amendments in the constitution?

Come on.

Roger?

Yes.

Is saying yes to citizen and yes to resident

the same Your agreement

taking the oath of guilty?

Yes.

Yes. You're agreeing to the condition that they fraudulently

put you into.

The reason they recognize the affidavit

is because it's on fraud.

They can't say no.

And that's what people have a hard time understanding here, and I have a hard time evidently getting across.

Everything's got to be voluntary. If it's not voluntary,

it's tyranny. If they tell you what you are, it's tyranny.

That's why they asked you.

Oh, Joan. Well, Joan, hell, she ought to know what she is. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. All this history, all those court cases, they're right there. Why the hell hadn't you read them, Joan, and figured this out?

Okay. You get my point?

Okay. Now the important point here for the newer people

is the feudal system. Because when in the feudal system, you've went through that oath of fealty and volunteered into this condition,

now you are an object to the property right of the lord of the manor. So just like you having a cow and a bull out in the back pasture, when they have a calf,

whose calf is it?

It's yours.

In the feudal system, when the serfs had a child,

it was born into the same condition.

It's a contract.

You might not have ever heard of it before, but that makes it no less valid.

Sorry. There's a thousand years of legal precedent there.

It's a silent contract

that runs generationally

until

somebody wants to volunteer

out

and they've got to recognize it

Or else there be open tyrants.

On yours, Bruce?

One one second, Bruce.

You remember, like, earlier, the Republic for the USA, Tim Turner and all that and all these other state national and American national and this national, that national groups,

how many of them ask you to file

paperwork

and sign it with a

thumbprint?

Now if that doesn't if that doesn't constitute a blood oath in the feudal system, I don't know what the hell does.

I mean, the Republic for the USA got a huge amount of backlash because some people actually read their documents, and it essentially

was trading one feudal system for another,

one that you couldn't opt out of. Well, I mean, I maintain

the biggest void in our entire legal patriot community

is the fact that nobody understands it's the feudal system, and people like Ron Avery

refused to look at it. People like Thumper

refused to look at it. So good luck.

That's okay. Okay. Bruce

Bruce had a comment, and we're gonna hang out after the we're gonna hang out after the show and deal with the the new student. Global Voice Network will stay up until we're done.

Oh, that's why the Jews refer us to Goriums.

Of course. Because we're cattle to them. Because they own us.

And you agreed with it.

So you gave them consent.

Take it away.

This is your decision, not theirs. If it was their decision, they wouldn't have gone through all this stuff we've covered for two hours to get to a point where they can ask you those two questions, and you unknowingly agree to them.

You're agreeing to the fraud and the contract. They you know, a contract usually is two parties that know what's going on. Okay? And they both agree. There's a number of specifics

involved in the law of contracts,

all,

full disclosure, etcetera, etcetera.

Well, they just, in the way they think and do things and wanna trick you like a lobster trap, set everything else and say, hey. Do you agree? And you go, yeah.

How do they say that? Are you a citizen of The United States? Are you a resident? And then have something signed. Oh, well, I guess you've met the second clause of the test on the fourteenth amendment. Now I suppose you're subject to the jurisdiction thereof, and it came out of your own pen and your own mind.

Take it away.

Despicable

bastards.

This is who we're dealing with.

You cannot approach this and think like we think.

If you do, you'll be sick as successful as the Patriot community has been the whole time I've been in it, which is not very damn effective.

Murrah, you were trying to say something earlier.

Oh, yeah. I called into Steven Whitener's show last week.

Tom Rogers had treated

John Benson and said they went to jail for not paying the taxes. So I clarified that this morning, what's going on, and how you that's why I was asking you when you, came across the feudal system and the, sending the affidavit to the secretary of state. So I I put that on air. I'll have to listen and see what it sounds like, send it to you if you want. Unfortunately,

unfortunately,

we didn't understand

that back in the early nineties or as I maintain

to this day, if we'd known that in the early nineties, we may very well live in a different country right now. Right. But I added what you said about them, taking this on the campaign trail, and they were running for office, and that's why they got grabbed.

So I'd say I've always thought that that was what put it over the top. Mhmm.

Roger, you need to find residents

or We're gonna hang here for a minute. For the people that are listening,

I try to get these things on the air. We're gonna cover some things off the air today. And if you need to get access to that, you can come join us. Okay? But we'll get that. I'll get bumped off here in a second, and,

we'll see if we can address some of these other things because it's been a very spirited decision a discussion today.

And we've covered some

real important background stuff, folks. You can't understand what's going on unless you understand what we've covered in the last two hours.

K? Alright. Mother Earth is gonna cover you, and I'll see you guys again on Monday,

hopefully, if there's electricity.

And we won't know

until Monday, probably.

So, have a good what's left of the weekend. See you soon, Chad.

Okay. We're off. Almost.

We're off now. Alright.

Carry on the discussion. Bruce, you had something to

inject?

No. It was about the Goya. That's all.

Okay. Alright. Who else has got something to inject on what we've been talking about? If there's anything that didn't clear in what we've discussed today.

Roger, this is Craig. Can you I was hoping you would be able to do this on air, but, could you define resident?

Because, if you're new,

our your

definition of it wouldn't be what the normal person thinks it is.

Well, let's go back to, without going to any other sources, let's go to the Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, Craig. K?

And look under resident.

And there's a number of definitions there. And the first one says the act or fact of living or dwelling in a place for some time.

That's number one.

That's the geographical

definition.

Number two is the legal definition.

And it says the act or fact of living or dwelling in a place for some time,

same exact definition,

for the receipt of a benefit

or the discharge of a duty.

That's

law.

K?

Now I've maintained, Craig, for a long time, nobody's ever taken me up on it. But if somebody like Joe, who's real good at digging into this stuff,

wants to go back and find the etymology,

the the history of the word resident,

I feel that where you find

where they assigned a geographical

definition,

you'll find the origins of this plan

because that's the keyword.

K?

And if you dig deep enough on the web, and I've seen this myself

through some of the Cornell law and all these other sources that are available to us now. And if you dig back deep enough,

you'll find the origins of the word

is in ambassadorial

law

when countries sign a treaty

and exchange ambassadors.

And let's say since I'm in Ecuador and we use this illustration

a lot when we talk about it, let's say the Ecuadorian

ambassador

gets caught at Dulles Airport, Craig, with a kilo of cocaine in his diplomatic pouch. What do they do with him?

So I'm in jail for trafficking?

Send it back to where he lives.

Send him back on a plane to Ecuador

because he's in residence,

and that means the laws of Ecuador

apply to him,

not the law where he's in residence.

When they ask you if you're a resident,

they're asking you, are you under the laws of fourteenth amendment in Washington, DC?

It does not

it does not mean I live over there. Yes, Joe.

Oh, yeah. I looked up the etymology

of resident,

and it comes from and and it says early fifteenth century as,

stay in a place in discharge of some duty,

originally,

ecclesiastical.

Right. We'll find out where the geographical

definition comes into play.

Late fourteenth century from old French.

I think it's from a Latin word,

residents

to sit down. So

it's another one of these words that they have manipulated, and they pull out in front of you, and then they condition you

to make it you make you think that it means where you live,

and it doesn't. It means what set of laws are you under.

That's another one of this. We use it colloquially.

If I said, hey, Joe. Up there in Jersey, is that your residence? And you'd say, yeah, And we'd all understand it. But that ain't the way they're using it, and that's not the legal application.

But, Roger, in here, it also defines nonresident, and it says, one who does not reside within a particular jurisdiction.

Correct.

You know, I remember the day I I got John on the phone as I was really putting some of this stuff together, and I asked John about that.

And his response, I remember him saying,

he said, well,

everybody on earth is either a resident or a nonresident,

aren't they?

Yeah.

Joe, where'd you find that again?

Probably,

English dictionary.

Etymology

I'll put the link in I'm in PPN too, but I'm a putting the link in there.

Thank you.

Mhmm.

Another one of these,

I see I think that's the keyword in the whole new world order system because every country in the world wants you to be a resident. And I've been experiencing this since I've been out of The States. I was never a resident in Argentina.

For nine years, I I lived down there as an illegal alien most of the time when my visa wasn't up to date.

And, you know, you get caught speeding.

You're speeding along, the cop pulls you over, and you just say one word, tourista.

Oh, okay. And they walk back to the car and drive on.

Why? Because you're not a resident, and they can't pin the traffic laws on you.

So let's approach this from a different way, Craig.

So what if you've got your affidavit in and you're not a resident of The United States anymore?

Technically, under this legal thing, where's your residency, Craig?

In heaven.

Yep.

Just like the definition says is where you live, that you receive your rights and get a discharge of duties. If it's not under the fourteenth amendment and you're the old state citizen now called a national,

you got your rights from God, and you owe God your duties. So, technically, your residency is heaven.

I'm domiciled

here in whatever state, but my residency is heaven.

Well, you don't think they like that too much, do you?

Roger?

Yes.

I think a a way that we can explain it that they would actually understand

would be

that we are not

residents

of the

or under the fourteenth Amendment or

residents of The United States.

We are in residence

with our home country, The United States

Of America.

Okay. Well, you could say that. It's not technically incorrect. Some people aren't gonna know what the hell you're talking about.

They're gonna leave their heads.

Real law. We are ambassadors.

Let me let me

let me explain this Guys, it's not ambassadors. It's minister under international law.

Okay. Well, let's go back to the two questions. Are you a citizen of The United States or are you a resident?

Technically, legally, what they're asking you on that first one is, are you in the same status with man given civil rights as former black slaves awarded federal citizenship after the civil war?

Ain't that really what they're asking you?

Yeah.

Okay. And the residency thing comes in

because there were all kinds of these new federal citizens in the States, weren't there?

So the resident question really is, are you in residence in your state

asking protection from the federal government

against any actions against you potentially

from your state?

Because there was a lot of backlash

back then, especially in the Southern states about some of the new federal citizens.

So are you asking for protection from the federal government? And now what does that do? That goes back to the feudal system,

just what Paul read us. It's the relationship between a liege lord and a liege man, and it's unbending and unchanged by time or space.

So they're asking you, are you a resident? Are you one of these new fourteenth amendment citizens? And the state's gonna come after you, and you're gonna ask us for protection,

so that means you owe us allegiance.

That means you're our citizen.

That's technically what they're asking you.

But it's easier to understand and to teach others

by what set of laws do you live under.

Oh, yeah. I'm a resident. Oh, I live under fourteenth amendment and federal citizenship. Sure.

I have a better understanding today well, after today of

the meaning of a resident, and now I feel like I can explain to people how I'm not a resident and how they are.

Thank you.

Yep. Well, you're welcome, Craig. I mean, I love going over all this old stuff because people just don't know. I wouldn't know it if it wouldn't have been for John Benson and the additional time I put into studying and thinking about it all these years.

And then seeing how they're applying it when I saw the passport

application,

because they've got to put it in there.

They have to have an OMB number for it. It's an information gathering request.

Therefore, that's got to be full disclosure.

So how do they put full disclosure?

Warning.

You can attach documentation

including

affidavits, but you better not lie or we're gonna hit you with eight sections of The United States code.

That's how they tell you you can volunteer out. That's how they adhere to the requirements

under the office of management and budget.

But if you don't know what you're looking for, you'll never see it Right in front of you in the passport application, in the instructions, and in the oath. And if you don't know what you're looking for, you'll never see it.

Yes.

Hey, Roger. This is Dave and Kathy

from Washington. Hey, David.

Yeah.

How are you doing? Well, we're making progress.

We got the house painted. We're trying to get back to Texas as I mentioned when we first, talked with you on the show. And I got a question for you because I just we just met, with our realtor who we have decided to hire.

And I have never seen this before, but they are talking in the contract here,

about FIRPT.

F I

R P T.

Okay.

And it stands for Foreign Investment

in Real Property Tax Act of 1980.

And this one sort of threw me for a loop because what it says is FIRPTA

in general

the sale or disposition of a U. S. Real property interest by a foreign person is subject to income tax withholding

under the foreign investment in real estate property tax act of 1980.

And then it says a foreign person includes

a nonresident

alien

individual There you go. Foreign corporation,

etcetera, etcetera.

There it is. Right now, title 26, folks. There's a connection in a real estate contract

back to '26 CFR 1.1 dash one a, a nonresident alien individual.

Right.

And it says if No. If

Yeah.

Because if

FIRBDA applies, the buyer

or other qualified

substitute

may be legally required

to withhold this tax at closing.

And in

order to avoid closing delays

seller that's us is requested to initial

one of the two statements

and to me it's clear but I'm not sure what the implication is. One is seller warrants and represent

represents the broker and brokers firm that seller is not

a foreign person under FIRBDA

and the second one is seller is a foreign person under FIRBDA.

And that's you. That are respond

I'm sorry?

That's you, that second one.

Yeah. That that's what I was gonna say. But I have

when they're talking about,

charging this,

this fee,

this excise tax, does that apply to us

as foreign

as nationals?

Well,

it's it's a tax on you selling

it's basically a capital gains tax, I think the way I'd understand it. Right?

Okay. I I don't know that because there's there's another section in here that's asking,

kinda similar questions, but but in a little different way. And I wanna make sure that I answer them right because I'm not

sure what may be underlying this and what and what they're after. Yeah. I'm a When we when you when you sign that, Dave,

one suggestion is you might wanna attach a copy of your affidavit to it. They've never seen anything like it before,

but it's important for them to understand this differentiation.

K? Okay.

And you can also We identify

Pardon me?

So we identify

we already said that we are not citizens.

And

now the further question is,

are you

a nonresident

alien for tax Yes. Purposes?

Yes. Yes. Nonresident alien for tax For tax well, that's the only place

in in the tax code that they identify

this concept as a nonresident alien. That's the only place

that I've ever found.

Okay?

So, what you might wanna do

that what you might wanna do is if you sign the contract, do it correctly,

attach a copy of your affidavits,

and also

go in and pull 26 CFR 1.1

dash one a and print it out and include that also

highlighting

nonresident alien individuals.

Hey, Roger. I told, Hosanna to,

hang on till the after show, and she's still here. So I'm just wondering if we can get to her. Okay. Well, we'll get to her in a second. We're still clarifying some of this other stuff.

So that's what I'd suggest y'all do. Be honest on all the forms. Don't lie to them. Attach your proof and your evidence

and take it back to 26 CFR 1.1 a and tell them, don't withhold the damn thing for me. If they do and insist on it, you'll be able to apply to the IRS and get that back.

Okay. And so,

also it applies and just want to clarify that the

difference between

what we paid for this house and what we sell it for

is also

nontaxable.

Is that correct?

You know well, you know, it's not eight seventy one b or eight seventy seven b. It's neither one of those, so you got no tax obligations on it.

Well, I have I have a question.

My understanding.

Okay. Joe's got a question. Joe?

This this is you're selling a house in the state of Washington?

Correct. Did I get okay.

So

as a nonresident,

you are exempt from those taxes

according to,

Washington State Department of Revenue.

In including the capital gains?

You you're not subject to capital gains?

If the capital gains are made from biz doing business within The United States or with The United States,

then then then you would have the a liability.

Yes. We're not doing business with The United States. Also, get the phrase capital gain out of your head. Because the only reason that you're selling the house for more than you paid for it is because the dollars you're getting aren't worth as much as the ones that you spent.

Yeah. Well, that don't let don't get into that with them. Stay on the main stuff.

Yeah.

And so, Dave and Kathy, did that give you some direction here? Look. I don't have the answers to everything. Okay? We just call most of them out, but people in these situations,

hell, I've never experienced it. I can't tell you from personal experience.

They stole $35,000

at my house closing.

Okay? And that was before I knew all this. Yeah.

Yeah. I remember you I remember you talking about that on other shows.

So, yeah, that's why I wanted to,

I wanna tell y'all, every time one of you file an affidavit and pull yourself out of the tax system, I take a dollar off their bill. Their problem is I got penalties and interests that are hell of a lot higher than theirs.

They're never gonna pay it off.

So

another thing is that in Washington state, the capital gains tax does not apply to sale of real estate.

Right. I read that. That's in there was. So I there's nothing to worry about in that. No. I think you're real clean on this one.

So if you got any other problems with the realtor or anything, come back and talk to us. But I think what

I suggested should take care of your problem.

Let them learn a little bit too.

Yeah. Yeah. And that's, you know, we're we're new with this, and I just wanna make sure we're going about it the right way and that my understanding is correct.

And that that helps a lot. So thanks a lot for that. Thanks thanks for the input of the other folks here too. And how many people

birthday. Oh, thank you. How many people that Roger,

I read your I read your book,

Sovereign to Serve. It was outstanding

and Thank you. Very powerful,

very moving.

And,

I did not get selected for that jury duty that I had talked to you about previously. I don't know if it was because they saw that I was not a US citizen,

and I had attached my affidavit.

But and I also had a bias in the particular case that was,

gonna be tried. So

at any rate, that's just a quick follow-up on that. I was not Joe, while you're while while Joe's on with us, did you hear Mike come on Thursday?

Were you listening Thursday?

No. We weren't able to.

Joe, were you?

It would change more than you guys.

Mike, I don't I don't remember.

Okay. Well, you know, Mike's a perm cam. Right? Driving on no tag,

proof of, you know, bill of sale on the car, gets pulled over, female officer.

She comes back and issues him three citations.

He goes to the magistrate, which is right down the street from awards,

and the magistrate

says, we don't recognize your affidavit.

I'm here.

What? There he is. Hey, Mike.

Okay. What'd you what'd you get done yesterday?

I got the name of the judges,

the municipal judges, and I'm gonna send them all of my packet.

This is what I'd like to have for you to ask him.

Patel's law of nations

says every man has the right of personal political self determination.

If that's not recognized,

you're an open tyrant.

Are you an open tyrant, magistrate?

Then I,

contacted the attorney general for Stowe, Alabama under the investigation

and,

wrote the entire incident down with everything

and and asked them to contact me.

So

I'm trying.

I'm a tell you what. You got this judged by the shorthairs, buddy.

Yeah. All three of the magistrates said they don't. The headmaster, we don't recognize the affidavit.

Now would you like to write an affidavit?

Would you like to write an affidavit to the secretary of state signed under penalty of perjury,

trumping my facts, please? Because that's the only way it can be defeated.

It's not arbitrary

by some shithead judge.

No. They're not judges. They're just magistrate. The city of Iredellus has three magistrates. They're not judges.

Okay. They might Now you can see why. Now you can see why, can't you? Mhmm.

Yeah. They're right. They they like I said, I can't even get ahold of the prosecutor. They won't let me get ahold of him because they said he doesn't take appointments,

and you can't see him.

Yeah. Well, your your deal is what you did to go to the attorney general of the state and gay. You got some real big problems here in Birmingham,

sir.

You may be in Montgomery. You got problems in Birmingham.

Am I?

One thing you might wanna ask your magistrates,

you know, are you familiar with Patel's law of nations, which says that all peoples have the right to personal self determination?

So

do you know that right now you're violating

treaty and international

law?

It's also in the UN Charter echoed from Vatel, by the way.

1948?

I told them that they're outside their jurisdiction,

and they're all liable. And this is all recorded.

They got on their recording.

Good.

Well

so we'll see how it develops.

But if you've got ahold of the state AG,

I'll be real interested to see the outcome of this.

But you see my comment,

not only and you and Joe both that have gotten into this with these

assholes

that that refused to give up the power of their fiefdom,

both of you were driving without licenses,

car licenses.

So there's a common denominator

right there.

I just And for the new people, the only trouble we've never had

a fart out of the federal government on this.

Total recognition

by by by,

by silence.

Okay? Where we have problems

is in these local jurisdictions

where these guys, like these magistrates,

think they've got all this power

they don't

because it's based on fraud.

This is also a Brady violation.

Now, Brady versus Maryland,

you can't suppress evidence,

and that's what he's doing with Mike. And they did that with me with the affidavit as well. They're surprised. Good point.

Yeah. One one one of the tickets was having a a driver's license, but not presenting it. That was one of the charges,

because I never gave it to her.

Roger, sir. Your affidavit

your affidavit overrides any prima facie evidence

of you signing

under ignorance and fraud.

That's driver's license. Yes.

I sent that ignorant of the ignorant of the ignorance of the law is no excuse to,

Joe. And it sounds like it may help him with his case too with the Okay. The friendly cop that he

had a face. Yeah. Officer friendly.

Right. No. I I didn't tell anybody. I think I mentioned this.

I was gonna say I got I got into a car accident after all this.

Oh my god.

Somebody hit my

I was probably in my father in law's car. I'm driving down the road. Somebody hit his car from the side.

Oh, shit.

And so the cop comes and he goes you know, he asked for everyone's license, and I hand him the passport.

And he says, I'm gonna write you a ticket for not having a license. I said, alright. You gotta do what you gotta do. He he didn't stand in line.

Well, he didn't give me a ticket. He said, I'm not gonna give you a ticket today.

So

I don't know what the reason was for it. Well, they probably were talking about you around the water fountain, buddy.

Right. Exactly.

Wonderful. Can we get to his sauna really quick?

Yeah. I yeah. Yeah. Let's get to Asana. Bruce, hold it. Asana, you've been waiting patiently. You've been taking a drink out of a fire hydrant today because you're new. What's your question?

Hey.

Hello, Asana?

Yeah. Yeah. Yes. I'm here. Yes. I'm here.

I'm, I learn from I listen to,

other people question. That's how I learn. Okay. Hassana Hassana, talk right into the microphone. I'm having a little trouble hearing you. You you're obviously foreigner. You got a little accent.

So talk slowly and talk right in the microphone, please.

Okay. Can you hear me now?

Better.

Okay.

So, I'm brand new, and then I learn I learn, today a lot from listening to you and other people q and a.

Okay.

So so right now, I don't have any question yet.

Alright. Well, if you got them, you come back and revisit us. We'll be happy to answer them to the best of my ability. But you got hit with a bunch of real powerful information today for somebody that's new. It's incredibly important background foundational understanding

and information.

Okay?

Now,

Dave and Kathy, Kathy was just talking about my book. You should probably acquire a copy of the book and read it. Excellent foundational stuff. Although when it was written, we didn't know all we know now. Okay?

But, Kathy, I'd suggest you go back and all of you, go back and read the legal argument at least

twice.

At least.

The legal argument's the back half of the book.

Okay. Will do.

Okay.

In fact, you know, I tell this story. You probably you guys probably haven't heard it.

Two weeks after the book was it was published

see what happened. I got on the radio because Bennett told me he'd put me on, and I started giving out all this information.

And I had a manuscript that I had written a few years before that was 80 pages long. And I said, well, let's put the manuscript up, and people have got a free download for it. You know? And Bennett says, no. Let's make it into a book and make some shekels. That was his exact words. So I said, okay.

So we took that manuscript

and turned it over to my teachers, John and Glenn. John John was still alive.

And Glenn wrote that book off of my manuscript.

So I don't wanna take false credit. The reason the book is the power it is is because of Glenn Ambor.

K? Not me.

But all the foundational stuff is in there because they realized what I had on top of what they had had and how important it was, and Glenn

did a

incredible

job.

If you could read that manuscript

and then read the book, they he turned it into

it's night and day. Okay?

So that's the story on the book. He made a masterpiece

from one

long run on sentence.

Yeah. Well, I won't run on sentence, but I will tell you this. Two weeks after we announced the book and it was up for sale, I got two emails in the same day.

And one of them was from a guy named Jim Prentice down in Naples, Florida.

I hope Jim's still with us, but he was in bad health. He probably isn't.

But Jim Prentice was a homicide detective for twenty years, and he stumbled into this stuff

in those twenty years.

After he retired,

he became a research team leader

by for a guy named Dan Meador,

who was Mark's mentor.

Okay? Mark

and and straw man.

Dan Meador was Mark's mentor.

And Dan Meador was a highly accomplished and very skilled researcher. He had a great organization,

and Jim Prentice

was one of his research team

leaders.

Okay? Jim Prentice wrote me an email.

He said, Roger,

your book's a masterpiece.

I've read it 10 times

in two weeks

and got something different out of it every time.

That's from Jim Prentice.

The other email I got was from a family in Wisconsin,

I believe.

And they said, Roger, your book's a masterpiece.

We want you to

know that it's on our family bookshelf next to the Bible.

Can I ask

Can you call me?

Pardon me?

Pardon me? She's still talking about her in free conference call, but someone has the speaker. Her their mute

open. Mute mute and come forward.

Yeah. This is this is being recorded. It's on radio.globalvoiceradio.net.

The link to Global Voice Radio Network is on exposethematrix.com.

It'll be the archive for today,

and we are still streaming live and, almost in living color.

Okay.

So, Hassana, you don't have any questions yet? Do your homework,

Study the foundations.

Understand the employment things that you've never being a foreigner, you're not exposed to any of this stuff. Okay? So you got a little more of an uphill climb. But if you wanna be free, go do it. We can help you get free, but your freedom is in knowing and understanding your condition.

You gotta be able to defend it. If you don't know the information, you can't defend your position.

Okay? Hey, Paul.

Paul?

Yeah. Paul?

Yes? Can you not only can you not only record this one? Can you make this kinda like the Spingola interview? Because, Roger,

you knocked it out of the park today, my brother.

Thank you. This is one we need to share

over and over again.

You know, that's the beauty of these Saturday shows is that we get off on this educational

stuff on Saturdays.

It just seems to be more applicable on Saturdays for some reason, but

thank you. And I I I can't stress the critical importance of everything we've covered today.

Roger. Amazing. Amazing.

Yeah. Bruce. Hey. Can I tell

can I tell quick story or no? Go ahead.

Oh, no. Go ahead. On the route. Oh, well, Bruce, go ahead. Go ahead. Somebody talk. Real real short here.

When you put an affidavit in an official's hand or judge or or lawyer

or a officer,

they don't reply

to that. They don't wanna recognize that because

they will be telling a lie,

and they can go to jail for ten years

if they tell a lie. So they will not apply

to

your,

affidavit.

You see, that's the power of this and knowing who to file it with. Okay?

Because he's the head guy in the whole shooting match

over all

subjects of citizenship

and all matters of citizenship.

He's the final determiner,

not this stupid ass

magistrate in Birmingham

or this crooked damn judge up in New Jersey. They don't have that authority.

Sorry, boys.

You wanna dispel this is court testimony.

It was properly formed. It was properly executed. It's notarized,

and it was presented to proper authority, and you want to not recognize that? You're a

tyrant.

You write an affidavit

trumping my facts. You sign it under penalty of perjury.

You get it notarized,

and then we can talk.

But it takes balls to stand up to some of these authorities, doesn't it?

And you can't do it if you don't have command of the information.

Can you?

I will do.

Yes.

Doesn't it feel good to have balls?

You know, this is the sense of empowerment I keep trying to get across to you guys.

The information

empowers

you.

You've now got the powers that god meant for you to have at birth that have been stolen

by these Satanist slave and bastards.

Hey, Roger.

Yes.

This is Sketch.

And Hey, Sketch. I I want I wanna thank,

Joe so much

for mentioning

Brady disclosure

because this is how you you get

your affidavit,

you know, because they're they're post

the information here here's a short Brady disclosure.

Consists of expo

exculpatory

or Exculpatory.

Exculpatory

Yes. Which means the audience

information that frees you.

Or impeaching information of evidence that this material to the guilt or innocence

or to the punishment of a defendant.

So, you know, you they have to disclose

what they have against you.

And

if they have to have an affidavit,

you know, signed by the

secretary of state in order to impeach your evidence, and they can't.

They can't.

Thank you so much for today. I I appreciate that too, Joe. I'd never put in Brady along with this, so good good information.

Well, I I I did bring this up a while back, and I didn't explain it very well, and Joe did. Thank you.

Alright. Well, thank all of you. See, that's only the beauty of what we've got here. We're we're a brain trust here, folks.

We're a brain trust for Could Mike

could Mike not file a complaint with his clerk,

his local clerk?

They won't accept it, and the prosecutor won't

He's got he's gone to the attorney general who should be able to straighten this out, and we'll know how effective the attorney general in Alabama is here pretty soon. Won't we, Mike?

Doesn't the attorney general have a clerk, though, too? Could he not file a complaint with that clerk? Well, I think he did I think he did file a complaint yesterday.

Yes.

If he files a complaint, they have to hear it.

And they can't hear it. You're, let me

Don't forget the oath.

Get those oaths.

So that's another point. The oaths on file or stated from these magistrates.

Got a new, got a new Alabama boy down here, Mike,

from Mobile.

Big Tide fan.

And my my niece is, she's a senior at

the Alabama Southern down there in Mobile.

Yeah.

I think that's where he started. He ended up in Tuscaloosa,

and we sat him right between me and my New Orleans buddy last night. So he didn't have a chance.

She said she had she's having a common law down here in Mobile College.

Yeah. Good for her.

Good for her. So where else can we go this morning in overtime?

Roger, this is Jesse.

Yeah. Hey, Jesse.

It won't take too long. I don't know if you update what happened to me this week, and, I already explained or says certain things.

But, you know, my, grand

son died,

and, so I managed before we get to the hospital.

And, now we were surrounded in the hospital. Hold it, Jesse. That happened this week?

Yes. That day you were your light went off. And I'm so sorry.

And,

and the reason I call you

because we were surrounded in the in the hospital room

and, trying to accuse of everything. We're being interrogated

by the police, and then

the CPS came in there. So so the reason I called you,

because my, son-in-law was able to

get one of them to confess something, and I think it's relevant to, you're speaking today.

And,

so when they came in,

and and they didn't even let us, not even more, not even five minutes.

The CPS, I don't know why he did.

I told him we will not talk to him. We hand in our affidavit

to the hospital,

and they made a copy.

And he said, we will not answer any questions at CBS. If there's any,

good questions, I will answer very politely.

And then when I found out by a neighbor

that they have my house surrounded,

I wanna know something of background about my family real fast. I never have gotten in trouble in anything.

We've never done anything in the history of my family, any individual,

any member, or myself.

So, this is all new to us.

So,

so my house is, like a criminal,

surrounded.

I was able there were six, seven

police inside, and so I was able to slip away

while my wife was holding my dead grandson in there

Good god. And my son there.

And,

and they were trying to question us and bully us and everything.

While they were surrounded and escaped,

my I thought that my other daughter was in the in the house, and they were knocking and trying to us. So I came sort of, like, ramble inside my five acres.

The other driveway about 100 feet, we so they surrounded everybody

in in in my house trying to, force me to go, but I did not.

And I started screaming and saying that they don't got the the rice, and it's god given, we have god given rice. And I hand in my my affidavit and the and the fee that I put to them. They tried to ignore it,

especially the the woman police.

And,

and the gentleman, so you can't get in the house,

and they were they had their hand in the in their holster all the time, and I was back and forth.

Screaming. And the reason I call you

while my son-in-law over there

gave him again the affidavit, not just to the hospital, but to the police.

And after half an hour interrogating,

and they kept on as soon as he gave that paper, he went outside.

He still needed to ask much more question.

And he says it took about

basically the same time that was being surrounded down here, thirty minutes, forty five minutes.

And he comes in in the room they just left,

and they came in and says, well, we don't see no foul, foul,

situation here. And and,

and but we think because my summer line, that's the reason I'm calling,

he asked him straight. So do you have your addition over us?

And verbally,

a captain

said, we do not have your addition over you guys. There you go.

And then I'm sorry. We we calculated about

let let me spend a second. Thank you, Roger. You. I'm Within two, three minutes,

they call and we I when I was here, we calculated the time.

And, as they will not let me in, they have everything else. They have me enclosed in the outside area on the on the on the bottom of the shed and,

and,

bullying and everything within

they received a call, one of the officer,

and they just

picked after picked as

it did not even take thirty second one minutes to get out of the property. I thought we're gonna be there stuck another hour.

Okay. So we You need you folks to think this doesn't work. I want you to listen to what this guy's saying right here in a direct confrontation.

Yes. He we recorded it on Wednesday when you were out, Roger, and it was a beautiful,

experience,

of what you know, I appreciate him jumping on and seeing, talking about it even though all that happened.

Just first of all, Jesse, I wanna say again,

my deepest sympathies on the death of your grandson.

What did he die from?

So long story, Elijah. But remember that we spent

basically, what they did to him in the hospital,

they messed up in the first forty days of his life in the hospital with a guard in there before we had that affidavit eighteen months ago.

And,

they, they gave him antibiotics

when he was three days old and destroyed all his guts.

They did not let him with a tube, they did not let my daughter feed him breast milk for ten days until the pipe or whatever you call it, it went through his throat. They did a mistake, and she was able to sneak in there and there.

My, my wife, my son-in-law, and my daughter

spent twenty four hours a day for thirty six, thirty seven days without getting out there, stopping eight hour shift of every doctor,

every every new turn, fighting and fighting, something, seventy, eighty,

60%. We're able to stop a procedure operation, so on, until finally,

by the things of the Lord and by things we were able to get out, they were trying to transfer him. We saw, and we took him out. So we use,

what we think is God's medicine based on the Bible is a, but it's really just herbs.

And we cure the liver, not me, but, you know, the herbs and God delivered the the

the gallbladder.

It enclosed his guts. It was finally closed.

You would see him outside. You didn't see nothing. You didn't think physically was nothing wrong, but he was not able, at two months, still sit that good,

because he lost muscle mass because he they put so much metal toxin.

That they they force us about nuclear test

and, and so so we were trying to remove with the herbs all the all the metal toxin there. So, finally,

the last thing that we were able was the kidney,

but then we got hit with that flood that I told you about.

And that's why I couldn't say I couldn't say so many things because,

we've been hit with many hurricanes, not just that one. We lost all our medicine, all our herbs,

all our six, six months of,

breast milk that my my, daughter

had in the freezer that we had and everything. So that's lost about a month and something until finally we're gathering him.

And then,

we did

a a test about, two months ago. I forgot. And that's when we got hit another report because we took them to do the blood test, and that's when we got all the report of the good news except the kidney was still enlarged and has something else. So we started targeting that, and that's when we finally,

we got the affidavit, and we did all that, and we stopped them that time.

And, so we're we're excited. And then,

we got with the the situation. It's more complicated, more detailed, but that gives you overall.

And in the same day

in the same day,

I already told you, maybe you could talk to Paul or or some I already explained something else that happened,

the same day, and I know I still

I I wanna bury my grandson still. We're still,

they force us from instead of from the hospital to,

they force us to get take it to the state examiner

and, to see if there's trauma. There's no trauma, and they just verify what we said that, you know, the the state examiner maybe the state examiner bring up some of the shit they did.

Right. Exactly.

And so, I started screaming to the officer that you should put everybody in jail because Nico in the hospital, we learned so much in forty days. They are killing and maiming all the children from the from every every hospital.

And and, Jesse, you had flood problems too. Right?

Yes. Yes. We lost everything. I'll send some picture. Cars, house, furniture, everything. This area's never been flood, so that also, affected us. I took at 01:00 in the morning and, I don't know. I I I feel in my hand, this same baby,

over my head, like, like, lion king, if you could figure that image,

and, with, water up up to my to my neck to about 2,000 feet until we are able to go into a a metro

bus that we were gutting or somebody was gutting, and we are able to get up in the roof.

God is very merciful.

And, how do I explain?

I'm very, very,

very merciful.

Even though I did not get the answer, I wanna I have a little forest back here.

I want to all the believers.

I will go every day

every day in the morning, spend certain time by myself

and, pray every day to my my God

to keep all these unbelievers,

evil people from away from us.

And today, I wanna I wanna repeat somebody that said

record this and put in a an exposed matrix

because I have heard you many times, but the explanation of resonance,

it was beautiful.

It was like a beautiful blossom

today

because

you you are able to link

it to

our resonance is in heaven, to all believe it. And when you used to become a national,

it disconnects you

from this evil system that we are, not just here in the whole wide world,

and we have lost our god given rights. And it's true.

If everybody comes back in one way or another in their own belief system,

and whatever is the truth, but put god first,

you are doing through this through this national things. That doesn't matter. Because because when you believe in god, it doesn't matter. But we live in this world. We're stranger than pilgrims crossing this world.

And if you really believe in god, disconnect from this evil system citizenship.

What county are you in now, Jesse, down there?

So to give you a better idea, Sarasota.

I'm next the county's not but the county I'm next is more interior.

They call it the heartland, sorta like, Tennessee, Alabama.

It's completely different from the East and the West Coast.

Right. You go

Okay. My question is Sebring Sebring.

Desoto

Hardy

Highland

County.

Okay.

Did you put the county sheriff on notice originally with the affidavit,

and they still sent deputies to surround your house?

Yes. They did.

But they left the check-in the car. They just

mhmm. Okay. You need to contact that sheriff and say, I put you on notice.

Why was it not recognized,

and why were those officers surrounding my house

when you were put on notice?

I think I think because I forgot to say one part. When he says

when he says that because I've been teaching my son-in-law.

And I and I was prepping him while we're running with the

with our baby inside the the truck to to the hospital.

He'd ask him, do you have your addiction over us?

And then he says, you know that we filed

we gave notice to your to your chief

and your sheriff at the same time, and that's when he stepped out. And that's when he came in as we talked to a legal notice, and that's when he answered. We don't have your when he said, so you don't have your addiction.

So we calculate the same time because I was I was in telling I was in the teleconference, and I was at the same time trying to talk.

I chose between recording,

a video

and, and and because the phone, you can't do both things at the same time.

And, and that's where we calculated that as soon as they have that because this guy was really bullying me,

and even and even the woman came by and said, we got the right to to investigate. And I I pushed it back and I had the right woman.

But she she walked about 20 feet back when they gave a final order, and they just got in the car. They didn't walk slow. You know? Okay. We could go. We're supposed to be here. And then they talk a little bit around the car, and they get in the car, and one leaves. It didn't happen that way. And they just went back immediately

and got in the car and just disappear.

And so the woman that she was in on the rage and came back said something, but she also disappeared fast.

So it has to be that between the whatever they told me. They're them and the sheriff are personally liable for that. Yes. They are.

What what, Roger? I got a I've thought about this since I've heard this this is Dwayne.

When a the only jurisdiction they would have is if you caused harm to another another human being or their property.

And if they're actually have to do some sort of preliminary

look into it to,

to see if maybe the baby had been shaken or hurt or dropped or whatever,

that could be the only justification

from what I can come up with.

Correct. Not not at the house. I I I

understand at a certain point, you know, you have a baby, a shower. I know I'm a logical person, and I understand certain points. But, you know, everybody's there. There's no report. But they kept on saying that I I did say that after hours

over there, I was in there. They said that they have the state right. They never said state right. And the one here Right. Probably came out right said state right. They were trying to do they were

always trying to

to justify

that it's an investigation and state right.

They never said federal or local or anything like that. So I don't Because there was a fatality

because there was a fatality,

that probably falls under that umbrella.

So I I could I could push the limit, but I could not push the limit

because that,

that loophole, I did not have knowledge is power. By the way, my gate has we even studied the word between Paul and us, and we even studied the word, trespass and trespass has different meanings. So I had two signs in the front, and we said we're in small letters, and we said we're at national. It's filed on the clerk

that we are national and we, fee and all this stuff. So we took our breath, but I never expected, you know, a traffic and not a traffic problem or a cold problem. I was ready, but I was not. I needed that extra knowledge

how much I push as much as I can even though I was hurting. Had a let's see. You had a question about the state, and they kept mentioning in the state. And I was thinking,

state of state of Exactly what they're

creative. Yes. And even the state of Florida has the power to investigate. Don't forget the common laws underneath. They've got the power to investigate where there's harm done. There was a child that died, and I can see where they would do that investigation.

But the beautiful part of this is

they got one phone call and they all left. Right?

And admitted they got no jurisdiction.

Right. That's happy ending there. And the damage was done at the hospital too, so that's what needs to be investigated. You may have a case against the hospital, Jesse, but I I wouldn't know how to tell you to proceed.

But you may have you may can hold their feet to the fire on this. We're still right now in the process and in the process of putting everything together

and and my and my my child because this child, you know, all grandson to anybody is very important. And I just wanna say something. You know? There's something else going on, and, I don't wanna put until until we finally,

put this behind us and probably take another week. And then I'll I'll come maybe with more details.

But,

this child this child was not just

a child of a I know this is more personal, but was not just a grandson.

He slept with

it was like a son because he slept between my wife and me because he needed it. Right. Because every two hours, we were giving, you know, $10.12, 200. Herbs are the most miracle thing there is. When you believe me, you know how to do it, and we got a professional.

So and and I wanna I wanna say another thing. The system has come so evil in every aspect in our life,

putting elders in homes,

putting our kids in in in nursing homes. We don't know what we have. We are destroying our family and our culture.

And I have to,

I have to

to reside

on across the world,

across

one of the best I've read it down to end that country with over a billion people. And and supposedly, we're the greatest country in the world.

And, you know, we have to wake up at three or 04:00 in the morning just to make appointments

with a teleconference notice.

Why could we not go half an hour or two out of here? Because we always had that that fear that police are trying to force us to do things

that they didn't need it. When you spend two months in the in the hospital and they spend, $200,000

to try to solve that, they didn't even able to receive for anybody. Look it up. You don't know what jaundice.

He got the most severe jaundice. He is pure white,

and he looked black when he come out of there. He needed sunlight. Two months.

Yeah. And two right. And, oh, and, the case shots and all this stuff.

And and,

and when he came out within two months and a half, just by simple herbs,

he became back as national.

So I could keep on telling you things, but it it is criminal what they're doing to us. They are trying to kill us. Shit. Right. That's what I say.

Look. They all need to hang. They've already convicted themselves because they can't answer that affidavit. And in not answering, they admit they're fraud.

They admit they're stealing. Confession

that confession about

we do not have your addiction, it was, to me, awesome.

I actually like to work with my Yeah. My son-in-law is not up to date of legal. He's not all this. He just knew two, three little basics, and, he he he got something that was powerful.

Yep. Yeah. I guess.

I'd like to know who would the call was from. That would be interesting to know.

Probably the county attorney or the sheriff. Or the coroner.

I doubt if the coroner know all this stuff. He specializes in dead bodies. He's just above the sheriff, technically.

But they got a text message.

That call was from somebody

the medical

examiner was there?

With the police and then

he myself asked him, so you have your this? I said, no. I only have your this over dead bodies.

There you go. So I don't I don't know what if he meant the dead,

dead corpse or dead body or dead

body.

You know what?

In some counties is they're blending the sheriff and the coroner together, making it one person in here. They do that. They do that sometimes. Yeah.

So, well, anyway

I mean, CPS and Sydney police coming in the room. It's like they're, like, eco status, like, co president. Like, it is it's so freaky. Like, what type of people this they're they're not elected. They're not the c CBS. Call me, like, eco status until I was able because at that first, ten minutes, I was there before I slip. And,

and,

and, you know, I thought, she does not give you the dish, and she cannot I will not answer anything of her. But, you know,

what is kind of power these people have given to them, including the share given to them? The power

is you answered those two questions yes and signed something.

That's their power.

Yeah. But what he's saying about the child procurement services is out of out of sight.

Jesse,

you could probably Jesse, I would like to

Go ahead. I'm sorry.

Jesse, you can probably FOIA that call if you want it.

Yeah. You probably could, actually. Good suggestion. FOIA the call and see who it came from.

The other thing along that same line is when all this settles, Jesse,

maybe it would be worthwhile to actually

ask, not say, but ask

the ask the sheriff

why since you had noticed him, why they came to your property in such a belligerent manner.

Correct. Well, probably because there was a dead body involved. That's what they're gonna use as a case. Roger, but but it doesn't hurt to find out if that was, you know, why. Yeah. And see what you do comes back.

Get the answer out of them. I don't have any problem with that, Duane. Yeah. No. That's what I said. Ask when all this settled out, there's something else to figure out with this.

Dwayne Barron

Bruce wants to get ahold of you, and I didn't have Barron's

email address registered.

So

you two need wanna need to hook up. Baron wants to contact you.

Roger, because I'm trying to I'll send you my email again, Roger.

Do what? Do remember that article, Roger, that was, that we shared,

of the nurses saying that this the baby was the property of the state. That's what they were doing that's what they were doing with him, and they have no jurisdiction. They have no jurisdiction.

That was in Britain.

Yeah. That was English. So it shows you it's the world b system of revelations.

Can't come to any other conclusion.

And from the moment that you're born until the moment you die and after you die, everything is commerce.

Right now, you could even see it

right in front of your eyes. Trying to put now, find out,

we we're gonna do, like, four or five with some of the family members. I would say something what happened to him, Roger.

This child was born on this

on my father-in-law or or my wife's,

father or grandfather

dates. So the same day that

my father-in-law was born

was the most humble,

most

spiritual person more than my father more than anybody. And most of my family are very good people. Religious, spirited way. But this guy is I'll give you a real real fast. He was in my house about 15 miles away. And when he leaves, when my my daughters, when very young, he leaves, and he he had to drive, like, thirty five minutes to his side. When he gets there, he sees a lizard.

A lizard. God used to laugh about it. In front into his windshield of his car.

It's all poor. This is this is where my son-in-law is. He drove back and drop up,

the lizard in my house. That's a humble and now sometimes dumb. Okay?

And he has his bible and spirit in on it. So this grandson

is born on the day of this, my bro, but he died on the same day he died.

Oh my god.

The same day he was born and the same night. So now we're trying to bury over there.

So there's a lot of little miracles. That's why it says perfection

that God has done. And when you know that details

and you're a person that's open mind, you could understand this is just not a regular situation,

not just because of my grandson.

But the truth is

they are making money on us. I've been I have buried my father, I have buried my uncle,

on everything.

They just abuse of people when they're suffering.

And right now, it costs $5,018,000

dollars

just to if it's a small cash up to 30 inch, if it's a one to 42 inch, if it's this plot, it doesn't matter what you call. Okay? If you go to a smaller smaller city, it might cost you 2 or $3,000.

They it is this the how many license fee for the state license? You know, in the old days, you could bury them behind your yard or your church or your room. I mean, you know, you could, have the service in your house.

But every step, when you look, everybody is grabbing something. So you got realtors you got realtors selling plots.

And the one from the case, it is just a big money machine. And and the one that if you do if you do prenatal, you buy it before.

I mean, we didn't think it was gonna buy it before. It cost you maybe $5, but in the moment, they know the person's suffering and the and all the license fee is just incredible.

So this baby has been teaching us from the moment he got in the hospital from back on earth. He he's been teaching us so much that we have matured in so many areas. That's incredible. And I hope when me explain this,

some people can realize,

and do something with their life and, and and and try to expand it as best as they can

of our status and our spiritual,

life. We we gotta get this message spread

to enough people where we've got power in numbers. We're not there yet. We're on the way.

We're gonna get there eventually, I think. We're not there yet. That's why it falls on your shoulders

to spread this message.

You've got to do it.

Hey, Roger.

Yes, sir.

Hey. It's Baron from Louisiana. Hey, man.

Hey. Meet meet Wayne. Hey. Did

did Byron call in and tell our story about

calling,

our current sheriff and the

candidate for sheriff?

No.

Okay.

You want me to share it real quick?

Sure. Share it real quick.

Okay. So we we had,

conference call to our current sheriff,

and

asked him you know, we told him we didn't want any trouble.

And we just told him we were nationals. We asked

him what that was. He said, what is that? He didn't know what it was. So

we educated him on that.

And, just told him if we got pulled over in our parish, should he get reelected,

were we going to get, tased or

taken to jail or ticketed, or how would his deputy

handle the situation?

And,

he he he questioned me about how I drove a car. I told him about this. That that we travel in our automobile.

We didn't drive.

And he stated the statute, you know, saying, of course, that, you know, you have to have license, yada yada yada. Anyway,

all of that. And,

I just told him, you know, just wanna know how it's gonna be handled. And he said, you know, you're gonna have to have a license or I'm gonna take it to you guys.

And, he's like, what's your name? And I said, that's not irrelevant.

I said, I'm I'm a national. I'm a citizen of Louisiana,

and I live in your parish. And, you know, I'm a concerned voter.

And,

he just kept getting argumentative with us. And,

he said that, you know, he didn't have time to, argue with me. He said that over and over again.

And so, I said, okay. Well, I don't have time to vote for you. You don't have time to talk to me, I don't have time to vote for you.

And, he said that's fine. He hung up the phone.

When he said and he read the statute on having to have a driver's license, did you tell him that was only for residents?

Or else they wouldn't make you declare you're a resident to get a damn license?

And I did. I explained that.

And he didn't have to I didn't know what I was talking about.

Well, I I I mean, folks, we live in a land you know, the what's the old saying? In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.

Right?

So,

follow-up, Carl.

We then called, a candidate, this sheriff candidate

who sued. The sheriff was trying the current sheriff

was trying to implement some type of beef cattle tax. Remember I told you about the farmer

that is running for sheriff now because he sued and got the tax shield.

So Oh, yeah. We called him. We set up a three way call with him. And listen. It was awesome.

He listened to every word we said.

He chimed in. He asked questions. He wanted to know if we were repudiating

our status

or if we were,

I mean, expatriating.

I told him no.

We're repatriating.

He let us quoting the INA.

He let us quoting the Supreme Court cases.

He let us tell him that passport

has for citizens or nationals on it.

He was very receptive to our message.

He was in agreement with a lot of things that we said,

and,

it was just a great, great phone call with the candidate. I don't know if he'll win.

But,

sending, your Fingola interview, I sent it to him. He asked me to send him,

your interview so he could get a better understanding of,

the history behind this thing.

And,

so, anyway,

I'm sure I'm forgetting something.

It's a long phone call. It lasted about a hour.

Byron chimed in. I chimed in.

It was just a great experience, and, I'm really glad that we scheduled the three way call.

I'm getting one of his signs to put my yard,

the champagne sign for sure.

So there you go. I just thought I would share the good news you said.

My respond about one whole charter.

My suggestion

would be that you go out and start campaigning for the guy. Okay?

Because you want him as a sheriff.

Yes. We do. Now, Baron

Baron,

Dwayne's on the line with us. Dwayne, you still with us?

Yeah. I am, Rod. I'm sending you my email and and, phone number and stuff right now.

I've got yours. I didn't have Baron's, but he he's up he's up in Baton Rouge. Okay? So he's 90 miles from you.

Yeah. That's that's that's fine. You you can give give my info to him. I'm I'm sending you my phone number and stuff too, Robert. So Okay. I have No. I don't have Baron's email address. That's the problem. Right. What? If you send it to me, I'll connect them.

Okay.

How do they send it to you? Put it in the Telegram channel, put it in the chat, what?

No. Send send me an email. You send me an email with Dwayne's email. I'll connect them. Okay. I think I can do that. Okay? Okay.

Okay. Great. Great. Great. You

know, start campaigning for that guy and get your get your other friends to do it too.

That's in Baton Rouge Parish?

Actually, it's in Washington

Washington Parish, which is north

of Saint Tammany Parish.

Okay.

He sounds like a good Do you know where Covington

Do you know where coming to his?

Dwayne knows where everything is.

I know where it's all at. I'm

yeah. I got it.

Okay. Something I wish I didn't know.

You know? Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. Just

just across the causeway.

Just right across the causeway from here.

Hey, Baron.

Baron, you need to talk to your boss and get his permission to put that put that,

that guy for your signs on all the trucks.

Yeah. Right.

Rolling billboard. I tell

you,

we we were really impressed with him, and, I I wasn't sure if Byron

had told the story yet or not. So that's why I opened with

as Byron told, our story about our three way phone calls to both the sheriff and

the candidate for sheriff.

I think that's great. And, you know, I keep talking about you people taking the initiative.

You're hearing it right now. You're hearing it from Jesse. You're hearing it from Mike. You're hearing it from Barron.

Take the initiative.

You've got the power now.

You took it away from them. They stole it from you at birth.

Exercise it. Grow

into it.

Thank you.

Okay. Anybody else got anything for me today? Yeah. Hey, Bruce.

Hi.

They're already,

basically changing the,

definition

of national now.

I'm sitting here in front of the TV set. I'm I'm sitting here in front of the TV set

and with a football game on.

And so I turned the thing for information on who's playing,

and this is the WFA

national

Championship,

Saint Louis Slam

versus

Boston Renegade.

It's the women's football national championship.

They also Well, they also got

also got the nationals in Washington, DC

Professional Baseball Team. That's right. Well, did you see the story out of North South Korea where the soldier stepped over into North Korea and he was a US national?

That's how they identified him in the story. Now whether he had an affidavit on file, I don't know. K? But they even used it in the headline of that story.

Ain't that something?

Wow. K?

Well, let me tell you what, folks. We're making an impact.

Our little fledgling group here

of free people

are starting to make an impact, folks.

You just wait.

You just wait till we get the chance to put this message in front of about 20 or 30,000,000

people.

Just wait.

It's coming.

Well, I have

a blessings for you, Roger.

Thanks. One hell of a show, eight, and you got helping get us out of servitude

a k health. So appreciate it so much.

Well, I mean, I I it's my duty, and I appreciate that you, were receptive to the information, Sketch, and all of you. Because it takes a special person here. I've that's a lesson I've had to learn the hard way. K?

You people are real special.

You you want me to be you're the chosen ones, folks.

You're the chosen ones.

So anybody else got anything from you?

You know that question that you always ask?

Chosen by who and for what?

Yeah. Chosen by who and for what? Well, we can answer that. We're chosen by our god for freedom. They're chosen for their by their god for slavery.

And yet they tell you in this nondescript thing, oh, we're the chosen people.

And everybody, oh, that means they're under god and they're Jews, and Jesus was a Jew and all that stuff. So that's they gotta be chosen.

Yeah. They're chosen. Alright.

Nobody else has got anything. I'm gonna go on about my day here and

enjoy my nearly extinct one more story.

Okay.

I got one more quick one, and I I will get off. Okay?

So I called the secretary of state in Baton Rouge, Colorado,

and I couldn't get anywhere. I think I told y'all. I couldn't get anywhere with the election department

on finding out how we could vote.

So I called back,

and got in touch with the legal department,

And the lady didn't know what a national was, of course. And, she connected me with the state attorney,

for the secretary of state.

And,

he asked me,

you know, over and over again, explained to what a national was, and I did it. And,

he said, look. What what country are you, a national of? I said, I'm a national of America.

And he's like, oh, not a foreign country. And I said, no. The United States Of America.

I'm a national of The United States Of America.

And he's like, okay. I'm trying to figure this out.

And then he asked me, he said, woah. Woah. Wait. Wait. Are you one of those sovereign citizens?

And I said, absolutely

not. I said, where did you hear that term, sir?

And he said,

well, I'm not sure. And I said, did that come from

the government

that you were told to label us as sovereign citizen?

Or did that come from the CIA? Or did that come from the FBI?

Because

I am not a sovereign citizen. I said that is not a citizenship

status,

and it is not a political status.

I said I have a citizenship

status and a political

status

of a state citizen of Louisiana Republic,

and,

I'm a national. And it's, we have been mislabeled

as

a national. That's what the government calls us. Where are you getting the definition from? I said the INA,

third paragraph, all US citizens are US nationals.

I said, I'm not gonna define it for you. You do your homework and go look it up. You're the you're the damn attorney. He said,

right. I'm not an attorney.

He is.

And, so he says, well, let's I'm gonna get back with

I'll get back with you by the end of the week. I said, great. You do that. Well, he did. He called me back.

Good. He started reading

the INH of me. And he said,

all US citizens are US nationals. That's correct. He says, but you're misinterpreting

what a

US national is.

He said, you were born in the state in The States, weren't you? And I said, yes. I was.

And he says, well, US National,

and he pulled it up right off the Wikipedia,

and he read it to me. It's for American Samoan

and Yep. Swain Dallas.

Yes. And I said to I said I said to him, that is a noncitizen

national.

And he said, well, that's what a US national is.

No. It's not. Wait a minute.

Okay.

I said,

so you're you're reading that you all US citizens

are US nationals

like I asked you to.

Right? Yes. I am. And I said, so now you're telling me that all US nationals are American Samoans or Swayne Oliver. Is that right? And he said, that's what I'm telling you. And I said, so are you a US citizen?

And he says, yes. Of course. I said, so you're an American Samoan.

And he he says, look. I can't argue with you on this stuff. I got a meeting to go to, and I'm just reading you what the law says.

Have a good day. And he hung up.

Wow. Well, Baron, that was perfect how you And you did really well. I I applaud you calling these people and holding their feet to the fire. What I would do with him now

is write him a letter and explain the show him the differences

and send that to him and see. Please respond

if you still think there's a difference here.

Well, I'm

call, guys.

Aaron, here's another thing to ask him.

What happened to Whitey and Jim Crow?

I asked him that.

What'd he say? I asked him that.

He said, I have no idea. That was a long time ago, and we go by our current law to the state of Louisiana.

That was his plan.

Louisiana's

current law is based on historical law, buddy. Sorry.

Yeah. Constitution happened a long time ago too.

So good work, sir. Just keep keep chipping keep chipping away at these guys and draft something with specifics

and send it to him. What

I have it I have it I have it in the email. I I have it in the email, and I called back to get his email address, and his secretary would not give it to me. That's okay. I'm a get it off the website,

and I'm gonna send him the email. And it's the same email

that I sent to my state representative,

right, and the candidate for secretary of state. And I have to go hats off to mister Gary

for putting together that flyer

because I used all those court cases

in that flyer

in my email. So I'm gonna get that email to

this this attorney for the state of Louisiana.

I'll tell you what. That don't certify registered mail. Don't email it. Certified

registered mail.

No. Not registered mail. Certified mail. Certified mail. Why not? And

so I'll return certified mail. The green card.

Right. But they're not they're both. Okay. It's just certified, not registered. And leave off pair of I've got

Everybody just leave off pair of them.

Because I have one. I got two things. I got two things for Baron.

I have one thing for Baron.

That 49 page document, that 49 page booklet, there's an updated version that I have not put on docs.exposethematrix.com

yet. But when I do, that would be a good thing for you to grab and download

to have in your back pocket.

That, that trifold flyer is awesome, but that, 49 page book, which is probably more pages by now, is, even better. It's just a longer read. And maybe this lawyer would, let you take him out to dinner, you know, someplace, like, not stupid expensive or something like that. That would give you a chance to talk to him

when he's not busy

heading off to a meeting.

And be sure you include that section with the INA,

which says a national it doesn't say in hold on, Marco. It doesn't say a noncitizen

national. It says a national

has owes total allegiance to a small

s state, and then it defines federal states with a capital s. How about that, mister attorney?

Right. But it's all in the statutes of large.

It's all in the original definition.

Okay. You can copy that.

Throw it back into his face. Don't send an email.

Send it certified mail.

Okay.

Okay?

Good work. Good work, Baron.

The I n And I'm serious. Invite them to dinner. Just not someplace stupid expensive.

The I n a codes and the uscode.gov

are

all are all information are coming from statutes at large. So why not use the original definition? It's all there.

Well, if you wanna go back to the original, it's the nationality

act of 1940.

In the statutes at large, the very first definition,

the first thing written under the heading,

a national owes total allegiance

to a small f state. That's where it comes from.

Yep. Number Send him an affidavit.

Send him an affidavit.

He's got to answer it. He's a lawyer. He's up for grabs.

Well, they know I would

I would include your a copy, your affidavit in what you send him and say, since I'm not correct,

why did the secretary of state

not object to this?

No rebuttal. It stands as the highest truth.

He can't tell the lie and not get he tells a lie. He's in jail.

He's just ignorant. The guy's ignorant. Everybody's ignorant to this, people.

Nobody's ever figured it out before. But they got pumped up egos.

Okay. Good work, Baron.

Okay. I'm on here an hour and a half past the show. Anybody else got anything for me?

I'm curious if you know how many has done the affidavit.

I have no idea. Millions.

My guess is

over 2,000,000

from our teachings. I don't know about Antebon Wright's. I don't know about David Strait. I don't know about what their shit is. I don't know if it's valid,

but my estimate is over 2,000,000 from our stuff.

Yeah. Nobody else is using the Visa. I am so glad I know.

Well, we're happy you did too. Thank you, Roger. But get a better phone connection if you can.

Okay.

Anybody else

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