In this episode, we welcome back Roger Sayles, who previously joined us a week ago and received numerous requests for a return. Tonight, we delve into the concept of becoming a 'national' and the benefits it entails. Roger shares his extensive knowledge on the subject, emphasizing the importance of understanding the law and the concept of property rights. He explains the historical context of the administrative state, tracing its origins back to the Bank Holiday of 1933 and the subsequent changes in financial regulations that led to the current state of voluntary servitude as sureties for a hypothetical bankruptcy.
Roger discusses the significance of the birth certificate, describing it as a commercial document that represents a person's future labor and is used in the bond market. He shares insights from a former student who explored the process of how birth certificates are created and used as warehouse receipts, which are then attached to bonds in the bond market. This practice, he argues, is a form of modern-day servitude, as it allows for the collateralization of future income. Throughout the episode, Roger emphasizes the importance of education and understanding of the law as a means to reclaim personal freedom. He references historical events, such as the Bank Holiday of 1933, to illustrate how the administrative state and financial systems have evolved to control individuals. Roger's mission is to educate people on how to become nationals and regain their freedom, without fear or financial burden.
Okay. And welcome back. Hour number two. Glad you're along tonight. We had Roger Sales on about a week ago now, and a lot of people asked to have him back again. So we have done just that, and he is back tonight. We're going to talk about how to become a national a national and what what benefits becoming a national incurs. Hello, Roger. Welcome back. We have a lot of Hey, Joe. Lot of people listening tonight.
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Fantastic. Glad to be here. I got a bunch of information for you. Good. Oh, you said last week in the first session, you said something, I wanna learn. Do you remember saying that? Oh, I've said that forever. I that's the only reason. Yeah. For being is to learn. So I wanna step people through this so they can get their arms around it with security and not be scared and all that stuff. Don't worry about losing any money either. Right? Alright. We don't want any money. I offer a double double money back guarantee. No questions asked.
Alright. That's because I don't charge anything.
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That's fair enough.
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I do it out of a sense of duty, Jeff, because I I don't know how the heck God tapped me to do this, but I kept trying to give it off to people along the way. Nobody could even understand it, much less take it. So at a point, I said, well, I guess I'm the guy. You know? Right. And, I I consider it to be a duty because I understand law. We touched on that just a little bit last week. We'll expand on it. At some point, the little magic formula, r plus d equals r runs the world, that little formula. But I consider it that duty part. And, also, I I listen. If you don't wanna do this, don't do it. Okay?
It's your decision. I'm not gonna tell you to do anything. I might try and influence, persuade you. Okay? Because I I know we got real big strength in numbers and they're scared as hell of this, Jeff. But it's your decision just like your spirituality is. And, I would never want anybody making the decision that didn't really feel motivated to. And here's the reason I don't charge, Jeff, is because, if you wanted your freedom and I said, well, I got the magic words, man. Give me about a thousand dollars, and I'll give you the magic phrase. And, so they do that. And, consequently, they get out of the system, but they don't ever study because they paid me to do it.
So they didn't really learn anything. They don't really know their position, how to defend it if it's challenged, how to teach it to somebody else if somebody else asks them what's going on, and even more so, the knowledge that can be so widespread for the future because we need this knowledge for rebuilding. Okay? We we we need to close this loophole because, you see, we can turn because of the dialectical nature of this. We can turn a whole bunch of things just absolutely totally reverse. How about never again?
How about that one? Yeah. How about reparations? You know, I hear a lot of talk about reparations. We've been in in servitude. Babylonian slavery, the English variety of slavery, last Sunday was ninety two years. Mhmm. Now the Israelites in the Bible were only in Babylonian captivity, seventy years. We've already beat them by twenty two years. Interesting. And you don't have to be. You can get out of it easy. It's nonconfrontational. It's inexpensive. They have to accept it, and they can't say no. And when people do this, it literally backs them into the check made in the corner. They they gotta recognize it or else take off the mask and be an open tyrant. And they know what happens to open tyrants far better than we do. K?
So this is the position this puts them in, and they're dead silent. There's a here's a a nice little law thing for you, Jeff. You ever heard silence deems consent?
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Or by our silence, we allow.
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Yes. You know where that came from? It's pretty interesting. King Henry the eighth, when he was fighting with the pope about getting divorces and stuff and chasing women and ambivalent and all that. Well, it came to him that the all the Catholic priests in the country owed allegiance to the pope and not him. And so he gathered them all in a big room outside of London and he said, well, you're either gonna be allegiant to me or else I'm gonna, separate you from your head. Mhmm. And nobody said a word, and he said, silence deems consent.
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Right. No. That's fear based. You think about it.
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So, anyway, that's my motive. My motive is to affect change. I wanna change in this world, and I've just learned to despise our enemies.
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They're pretty evil, for sure. And I don't think I've never we could I don't think we can adequately or amply explain how evil evil is on this planet.
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You almost can't, but I'll tell you what. You learn this information, you're gonna strip these people naked. And if you thought they were ugly before, you ain't seen nothing yet. Alright. K. Onward. Okay. So my, for the audience, just so you know, I wanna affect change. And the only way we're gonna affect change is when this educated material gets out among the people and they get re empowered. Okay? As Thomas Jefferson said, those who expect to be ignorant and free expect what never was and never will be. Yeah? So, why don't we start kind of continuity wise on a point we were on last week, which was the bankruptcy.
K? And, I I think we talked about Black's Law Dictionary. You can go look this up. I try and always give references. I want you people to go look at it. I don't want you to be, I heard this on the radio on the Jeff Rent Show. I want you to go, I saw this with my own eyes. Then the information's yours. We're not in our position because of a lack of filing paperwork. We're in our position because of a lack of education and understanding. That's the what I'm going after, Jeff. K? Got it. Bank holiday of nineteen thirty three, it says that the banks closed for five days, and they reopened under regulations by the secretary of the treasury.
Now there's two really important things there. And I just realized this when I was thinking about the last show and going over stuff, Jeff. That's the start of the administrative state right there. There were no regulations before March the ninth of thirty three, and there was no secretary of the treasury. There was a treasurer of The United States, but not a secretary of the treasury. Now if you go over it's in title 28 of The United States code. I don't like to throw all that stuff in here because it confuses people, but just to verify this. And I don't know the section number, and I apologize for that. But there's a one line statement over there that says the secretary of the treasury is the governor of the fund. Now what fund might that be? It's the International Monetary Fund.
And, Jeff, I'm sure you wouldn't be surprised to also know that they've got that same type of control over the Department of Justice. They did it at about the same time, but they didn't do it like they did this one. They did it through treaties. And I I just don't know which treaty, but I I a real, real solid legal researcher told me that years ago. Okay? And and you could see how the justice department acts. So how about Barr going, no. I couldn't go after the election fraud. I was adhering to certain internal policies of the Department of Justice. Yeah. Like the fact that you work for the IMF.
K? So if you're gonna take over a country, you're gonna bankrupt it, you gotta have control of the money and you gotta have control of the law. I'll show you that in an old document with China here at some point, but let's forge ahead if we may. Isn't isn't under all
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control of the money? Is it doesn't that really pretty much precipitate any kind of manifestation of control? If you've got the money Yep. You've got it.
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Well, there's no money. There's only credit. And tonight, I hope we can get to I'll show you the origin of the credit spout because it's here. K? This is why I said this is the tip of the PowerPoint of the Rothschild Rockefeller Power Axis Because this is how the whole money supply is generated, and this is how the administrative state is, started and runs. So, they weren't there before March the ninth of 'thirty three, because there weren't any serfs for them to oversee. Well, now there are. And you can see what the administrative state has done, how it's grown, and it is really the, the deep state is the administrative state.
K? So when that's one thing you said, what are the benefits of this? It totally removes you from the authority of the administrative state with the exception of two very obscure, sections of the Internal Revenue Code. Remember, when you had used to have Debbie Kidd on a bunch, didn't you? Remember her sweet lady? Sweet gal. Sure. And they're that that group of Bannister and Beecraft and those guys, remember show me the law? Said show me the law. Show me the law. And, where they put a ad, a whole page ad in the New York Times offering $50,000 if somebody could show them all.
I'll show you the law tonight at some point. Okay? So, anyway, let's, go forge ahead on this bankruptcy thing. So that's the Black's Law Dictionary version. I wanna look at it, if we could, from a different perspective, from a perspective of property. And this is another one of those dualistic words where there's a colloquial meaning and a legal meaning. So, Jeff, if I was to say to you in a conversation, Jeff, that a Harley out in the garage. Isn't that your property? And you'd say, Yeah. Sure. And we'd all understand what we just said. But in law, that's not the same case. In law, the Even if it's paid off.
Even if it's paid off. This is just one of these little courts where they're using another level of, deception on us, really, using legal technical stuff. So in law, the Harley is a thing. And you the property is your right in and to the thing. You can drive it, you can sell it, you can crash it, you can burn it, whatever. But the property is not the bike, the property is a right. And you've heard property rights. Well, they're all property rights. So I think this is a big problem with some people with this material, is when you tell them that they're the object of someone's property, they look at themselves in the mirror every day. They don't look like a slave. They they don't act like a slave. They're free to go wherever they want to to a certain extent.
But, they they don't understand this concept of property rights. See? They don't have to own you like a black slave. All they wanna do is have this property right on you, and then all this other stuff are the goodies. Because I'm gonna show you in a minute what happens with the birth certificate. And that's the whole start when you're born and attached to that birth certificate, that's the start of the credit. That's the credit certificate. We could call it a stock certificate if you want to. It's same idea. Well, you could. You're a piece of you're a chattel. You're a piece of property. That's exactly right. I think you'll be amazed though at how it's, pulled off. And I've got the inside scoop from one of the two big hospitals in Austin, Texas on exactly the process. Okay? So Okay.
Anyway, let's go back to this property thing. So before March the ninth of 'thirty three, we were free people. We were under God's rights, capital r, capital g, capital d duties, and we used real money, gold and silver. And if we went and bought things, because no one had a property right on us, we could pay for it with real money and pay the debt, not discharge it like we do now. We paid those debts, and we could take whatever it was that we purchased and we owned it. And all that happened because we were free people and no one had a property right on us. When the banks reopened after March the ninth of thirty three, it's a whole different story.
Now you're in a collective condition of voluntary servitude as sureties for hypo hypothetical bankruptcy. So now you, not knowing you're the collateral for this debt paper, by the way, you can go buy things, but you don't pay a debt with real money and gold. You pay it with a Federal Reserve note, which is debt itself. So all you're doing is discharging the debt. You're not paying it. And you can take whatever the object is and you can take it and you control it, but you don't own it. Such as your car, if it's paid off, go look at it. What if you got a certificate of title?
Can the title be the certificate of title? No. The title of your automobile is the manufacturer's statement of origin. K? So Alright. There's a the perfect example of the switching of the systems. We went for three people that used real money over to a serfs and voluntary servitude that can only discharge debts and possess things. Have your house paid off. If you don't pay the property tax, in a certain number of states, it's on the sale and the courthouse steps. So that's just a pure example of of the fact that that is true. Jeff, when you first started the show thirty something years ago, in about 1994, there was a real, real god's mother of opus research opus legally.
It was done by a veterinarian in Colorado named Eugene Schroeder called the War and Emergency Powers Act. Have you ever watched that? No. I've I've heard of it. It sticks in the back of my mind, but I have not immersed myself in it. No. Well, it's about an hour and forty five minutes. If you guys want all the basis to all this, what I've just gone up and up leading up to that, please go watch that. You can find it on BitShooter or, or or rum Rumble. But, go over on our site is a a version my our engineer guy has cleaned up the audio on it, and it's much more listenable. But if you'll go that, he's got, like, 85 exhibits in that thing and shows them.
Prove everything he's saying. And after that And when you say exhibits, you're talking about legal exhibits. Yeah. So to speak. This is the law. This is what they said. This is what this guy said and all that. It's impeccably done. There was nine people that worked on that. Doctor Schroeder is still with us, by the way. I've spoken with him. And, I I I encourage everybody if you if this bug gets you and you really want the adequate and solid foundation, you need to go spend some time doing this. I don't charge you. This is the charge. You gotta spend some time and learn the information and get your arms around it. If you don't, you're never gonna be re empowered. You're never gonna be able to adequately defend your position if it's challenged. You're never gonna be able to tell anybody else about it. And down the road after this crash, when we go to rebuild, you're gonna be as worthless as tits on a bore hog. K?
Quite frankly. So, anyway, that is, the, the bankruptcy and a wonderful resource in there. Doctor Schroeder in the they say, well, after March and the re the banks reopened, well, all of a sudden, guess what started showing up? You had to have licenses in our our agriculture. They'd never been there before. If you go to Black's Law Dictionary and look at the word license, you'll see, the definition is permission to do what is otherwise illegal. So now it was illegal to participate in the trades without a license because the net's been thrown everybody. A at this point is when the harness was put around the neck and the head of the American people And according to one old statesman, it'll never be taken off. I wish he was alive. I'd show him how to take it off so easily. It'll make your head spin.
K? So let's go into the birth certificate. Is that okay?
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Sure. A birth stock certificate. And the Bank of International Settlements, runs a lot of stock transactions
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through there. Go ahead. I'm sure you're gonna get into that too. It's Well, I I am. And let me tell you where this came from. I had a real good student, years ago, and his name's Brian. He was a four year scholarship defensive back at the University of Texas and he's kinda fearless. And he stumbled into me early on, did a couple of very important things. This is one of them. Has two daughters at this point, young daughters. I guess eight, nine, something like that. And, he gets a real, he gets really interested in this birth certificate and its function and how to annul it and all that other stuff. Okay? So, yeah, when somebody gets the bug like that, you just let them go. You know?
So, he goes with his daughters, cut offs, flip flops, t shirt. He goes to one of the two big hospitals in Austin. I do not know either of them, but I don't know which one. So he goes up to the Third Floor, Administrative Floor, and he's asking the nice gal there behind the desk some of these questions. He goes, Well, I'm she said, Well, can I help you? He said, I'm trying to build, folders for my daughter here daughters of their important, early life, information so that they if they ever need it down the line, they can access it real easily. Pretty good story. Right? And so, the ladies engages him and she's going back and forth. And she finally comes out with this piece of paper and it's called a VOF.
It may be the same in other states. I don't know this is what it is in Texas. It's called the verification of facts. K? And so it's got all the children's birth information, weight, color, eyes, color hair, little footprints, all that. And there's two places at the bottom to be signed by the mother and father, and it's not signed. And so he keeps asking the lady these probing questions, and she goes, look. She finally gets fed up. She goes, look. I'm gonna send you in the basement where this stuff originates. Okay? You go talk to them. Okay. So he trips down to the basement, same office. So he goes in the office, same spiel.
And the lady goes, wait a minute. And she goes off for about ten minutes, and she comes back and goes, you're not gonna hold anything I tell you against us, are you? A little incriminating. No. Oh, no. No. Of course not. So here's the process.
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You you have a question? No. No. I'm just going along with you. Go ahead. Okay. So, here's the process.
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When the child is born, the VOF is filled out. It's never signed by the parents because it's the property of the federal government, not the parents. Because the parents have been in this scheme generationally and unless they file something with the secretary of state specifically, they're still under the presumption law that they're served. Well, just like the feudal system we're gonna cover in a minute. The, mom and dad, a villain and a knave, they had a child because they were in a condition of voluntary servitude. The child was born in the same condition.
K? Now that could go on for generations, eight, ten. And wherever down the line somebody wants to volunteer out, they can volunteer out because it's a silent contract that runs generationally.
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Okay.
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And so, at the time of the, birth and the filling out of this verification of facts, there's a computer put in every hospital in The United States by the federal government, Jeff, and they take that information over to the terminal in a very, almost like I was they told him almost like a DOS type operating system, very rudimentary. And they input that information, they send it over to the Bureau of Vital Statistics where the birth certificate is printed and put in an armed bank safe with armed guards twenty four hours a day, seven days a week.
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Something got Nobody out there very few people listening understand, the reality of what you're you're putting on the table here. So keep it up and just you're you're making a lot of sense.
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Alright. Go ahead. Well, John, my teacher, you know, that you see the dualities that we've talked about. There's always two definitions or two this or two that. Well, this is no different here. Now my teacher, John, who I've, he's deceased, unfortunately, but I never heard anything that he supposed that did wasn't true all these years later. And this is his comment. It acts just like it. There's a duality here of the birth certificate being a piece of paper that gives all the facts pertinent facts of your birth. K? And now underlying that, here we come with this merchant law again, Jeff. This is these are the reasons this can't be Admiralty, that they don't have process like this. They're using this as a commercial document called a warehouse receipt. Have you ever heard of one of those?
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Yeah. But not in terms of what you're describing, so go ahead. Of course
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not. But a warehouse receipt for the audience, you can go look it up. It's a uniform commercial code, Babylonia merchant code document. And it serves like everything here, it it has a very valid purpose. But they take and weaponize it. K? Like they do that's the reason they like the merchant code. They've been dealing with it for two thousand years. They know every twist and turn in there, how to weaponize every angle of that thing against you if they can. Okay? Like the back of their hand. They know. Yeah. You got it. You got it, buddy. So here's the warehouse receipt. Now what it does is let's use a, an example of down in maybe in New Orleans back in the, civil war days and, you know, bales of cotton are not fungible.
They're not all the same. They're different weights and different wrappings and all that stuff. So if you had a bale of cotton and it weighed a 50 pounds, you're not gonna put that on your back and schlep it along the dock. Anybody wanna buy a bale of cottage? No. And the commercial thing is to take and write a warehouse receipt for that bale of cotton. Now legally, when you do that, the cotton takes on a shadowy existence, and the good, the cotton becomes the paper. This is commercial law. That's why they put it in a bank safe, and they go in now with that warehouse receipt, and they attach it to the bonds in the bond market.
Jeff, in bond, the root word of bondage?
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Sounds like it to me. Okay. Wouldn't be surprised. Just Dealing with money, money ultimately is almost invariably
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bondage to one degree or another. This is this is all credit. This is where you've heard the statement. There is no money. There's only credit. Well, this is what the origin of the credit's about. They attach they take and collateralize your future income. This is them utilizing the futures markets just like they do in suppressing gold and silver and all the other stuff they do. It's always in the futures market. Yeah. Okay? Yeah. Yeah. Well, they're taking and extending your labor because they've got a property right on you and now can do that and justify it. And they take that birth certificate and your future labor and they attach it to bonds. K?
Bond is the root word of bondage. Look at the stock market. The bond market's worth five to 10 times what the stock market is. Did you know that? It's huge. Okay. I believe you. Right? Okay. And and and here's the stock market with big buildings and big banks and big manufacturing and trucks and warehouses and all that. Well, what represents the bond market? It's a debt market. This is where your 37,000,000,000,000 in debt comes from. It's all these fraudulent bonds that have used this process of fraud to attach you and and and take over your future labor. Tell us,
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Roger, excuse me. Tell us who we tell us who we, the people, owe $37,000,000,000,000 to. Well, we owe it to ourselves. No. Where do we get the debt? We don't get it from ourselves. We get it from an institution.
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Here. Well, they're doing it here with the Federal Reserve. You know? Here's the way this operates. The Federal Reserve on the bond side by the way, this is the full faith and credit of The United States. If you've ever wondered about that phrase on the on the Federal Reserve notes Yeah. Yeah. The full faith and credit of The United States is that these bondholders will get their coupon payment. That's what it is. K? Interesting. And that's why the IRS is the Achilles heel of this whole thing. And I'm kinda sorry. It looks like they may be going away. I never thought I'd say I'm sorry to see the IRS go, Jeff. But Now that is an interesting statement from you. They're not my best recruiter.
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I got I get that. We'll see what happens. If if Trump gets rid of the IRS, he will ensure his place in the artificial
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construct called American history as one of the great American presidents. He will. Without a doubt. Yeah. So, anyway, let's in a sense, I hope that doesn't happen. I I don't know what'll happen with the nationals if it does, but that's a matter for later discussion. I understand. What's going on now? Okay. Yeah. So they attach that birth certificate as a warehouse receipt representing your future labor, and they sell bonds from one month to three months to five months to six months to one year, five years, ten years is a benchmark. You know, almost all the interest rates all over the globe are set off of. So this is very important stuff. And Trump's even talking and floating the idea about doing a fifty year bond back gold backed. I don't know if you've heard that or not, Jeff.
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But anyway I have heard of the did you hear about the bill introduced in the house to come out with a $250 bill with Trump on it?
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I've not I've not heard that, but I have I didn't think you did. When I was living in Argentina, and they were fixing to go into hyperinflation, they started putting out 5,000 to $10,000 notes. And that was when I knew it was time to leave.
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Yeah. Well, very good. Alright. Anyway, go ahead.
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Alright. So we're here at the bond market, and they I think that they do bonds. I haven't really studied it a lot, honestly, but I think they do bonds on a discount. Remember maybe when we were young, Jeff, I my grandmother would buy me US savings bonds at the post office, and she'd go pay, like, $17.50 for it. That's quite a nice gift back in the day. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. That's what it was mostly. Yeah. So I don't know if they do the whole bond market or not like that, but these are the things I do know about it. Who was the, oh, what was the the name escapes me. That the the the the 2 Top Floors of the World Trade Center or one of the big bond dealers?
I'm not gonna remember. I'll think that's too much info. It out. But, anyway, these are called primary bond dealers, and they have a agreement with the Federal Reserve. And when there's a bond issue, they've got to accept so much. K? They don't have a choice. And then it's up to them to get rid of them. Alright? Now what's been happening for a number of years is countries knowing that we were on thin ice and all that, and they hate what we're doing politically around the world. And so they start dumping their bonds. Now Now it used to be they had to have bonds in their treasuries because of the Saudi oil deal that they only took dollars in bonds for oil. But that's gone bye bye. And so now with that hatred of these countries and the fact that the bond is pretty shaky and people that understand this know it, and they start dumping their bonds.
Well, the the Federal Reserve's gotta buy them. The Federal Reserve or the Treasury's gotta buy them or else they it's very, prominent that the bankruptcy of the bond market's there. So they've gotta buy their own bad paper and have been doing so for a number of years. I have heard that the Federal Reserve owns 48% of all the bonds issued. That's an awful lot. Be surprised.
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No. Come on. And the Federal Reserve, for those of you new to the program or the topic, the Federal Reserve is not federal nor is it reserved. It's a group of 12 Jewish Zionist owned banks in The United States. That's the Federal Reserve. So you ask yourself, well, how the hell could the Congress have given our constitutional not only right but responsibility to print our own currency and manage it to this group of 12 Jewish banks in 1913,
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almost on Christmas Eve. How did that happen? How could that happen? Go ahead. It's very carefully planned, and I think they've been working on this for over a hundred and fifty years. That's my personal conclusion after being as intimate with this information as I've been for so many years, Jeff. So here is the deal. Now they sell those bonds. And if you ever look at so the bonds back the note. Do do you know that? They're never an, a they don't print the promissory notes, Federal Reserve notes, without the adequate and same amount of bonds backing them up. So the bonds back the paper. Okay? So Yeah. Both of them have a channel up to market.
And if you go through there, man, they're getting so many layers of compound interest here because it's just staggering. No wonder these people are so damn wealthy. It's just nothing but gravy, man. And you go back and learn things like, if you do a mortgage, when you do a thirty year mortgage, you don't pay hardly a cent on your premium until fifteen years. The whole first fifteen years is all interest. They call it vigorous, you know. And and and no wonder these people are so fat. There never was thirty year mortgages before that bankruptcy, by the way. They didn't loan money for more than ten. It was like, Jimmy Stewart, It's a Wonderful Life, and the financial institutions held the paper. They didn't discount it into the secondary market like they do now.
And Thomas Jefferson understood this. I saw one of his quotes, Jeff, and it said, no discounting of notes. Boy, is that important. K? You you might not understand it. I I'll leave you one of those. Arguably,
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I think Jefferson
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might have been the greatest American of all. I really do. So many things I really said. I agree with you. He had his flaws like everybody else, but he was a great American. And, man, what a mind.
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Yep. Yep. Yep. So,
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okay. So that's, that's how the birth certificate operates. And, if you choose to file an affidavit and separate yourself from the federal government, that takes care of that. Okay? Now I don't know. I'm not so naive to know that these creeps aren't still using it internally in commerce somehow. But theoretically and conceptually, you've severed that knot and taken yourself out of the, out of the, property range. Okay? Now Got it. Let's go over and talk about the feudal system because this is important. Alright? Give you a little background here. Do you, because I if I ask you guys, do you know much about the feudal system? Well, good lord. How many people know something about the feudal system? Nights? The round table and stuff, probably?
Maybe some movies? You remember this? Here you go, Jeff. Remember seeing in the movie when the guy take his fist and he'll bump his chest? He'd go, yes, my liege. Yes, my liege. Right. Sure. Well, that's the relationship. K? The feudalism relationship is a liege man to his liege lord. I'm a tell you what it encompassed, how important that formula is in that relationship. But I wanna tell you where the feudal system came from and give you a little background on it first. K? So, at the coast of the downfall of Rome, the Goths and the Visigoths came down and sacked Rome several times.
By the way, the Goths and the Visigoths are the Anglo Saxons. So they came down and sacked Rome. Well, they didn't go down into the peninsula originally. They took the the, the low hanging fruit was the connections between the upper part of Italy and Gaul, which we call Spain, the Western Empire. And along that road in the Mediterranean, there had developed a lot of trade and trade routes and and tourist routes and stuff. And so there were towns along the way. Well, the Goths and the Visigoths would come down and they would take the roads and take them over and put the towns under siege. Well, they knew what was coming, and the people that could get out would get out and go inland. The only other choice they had was to go swim with the sharks in the Mediterranean.
So they went north. And and the landholders there were generally, Russian generals or Russian politicians. I mean, not Russian, Roman, that had done well and given these huge swaths of land. Well, they needed some help too. They didn't have all the manpower to fight off these people. And so as the people got to those fortresses and those castles and those homes, they would go up and they the Visigoths are coming in. The lord of the manor, to be, said, well, I I need I'll give you protection if you'll give me allegiance. And so now there is the formula for what we call today
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There's that word, liege. Correct. Allegiance.
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The root word of allegiance. Exactly. Okay. So that's the formula that that is jurisdiction is what we call in law today. Protection for allegiance, allegiance for protection. It's a reciprocal formula and when either one of them are invoked, the other is automatically invoked. Okay? Now, I'll give you an example. In an act called the Nationality Act of 1940, this is right at the start of World War, this is where they hid the state citizen under the word under the term national. Okay? And you go to a piece of legislation that's in the statutes at large where the constitutional stuff is.
It's that group of law books in the law library, Jeff, that has all the dust on the top of them because nobody ever goes over there. So that's where this is and if you drag up the Nationality Act of 1940, there's a number of definitions right under the Act. And the first one, A, says, A national owes total allegiance to a small s state. Then later down you find I'll show you the examples where the federal states are capital letters. This is a small letter and it says again a national owes total allegiance to a small s state. Well, that means the state owes you total protection. And that becomes really important. I won't go into it in-depth now, but that's where our teeth are. The protection we're supposed to be afforded by the state as a state citizen. And, unfortunately, most of these states and the attorney generals, they don't know this stuff we're talking about. So, again, part of our I agree. Part of our role here is education, and we gotta educate some of these people, and we have.
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Like Thomas Massie? Boy, he he's gotta be a winner.
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I I like that guy.
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Well, Trump is now promising to primary him out of the Congress next time. I know. I know. Anyway, onward. Well, let's hope there's a change in spirits.
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K? So anyway, we're at the this, feudal thing. And, the Gosse and the Visigoths, the the feudal system starts in Europe right there in the heart of Europe from the sacking of Rome and the Romans going up and getting into these things. What developed was manners, what they called the lord of the manor and the feud. Now, this is a system, Jeff, that lasted over a thousand years. Okay? I mean, they're four times longer than we have than we've made it. Alright? So these are well established precedents and and and there's just a lot of history there. And it it was what produced chivalry and and all those great times in history where, things seem to run kinda right.
K?
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So, name one. Well, the about the No. I'm being facetious. Go ahead.
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No. I'm sorry. And, it's interesting to know that during that period of time, the law that ran the manners, was was, the law merchant, which they picked up from the traveling trade fairs that would go around Europe. And that was the laws that they used as Babylonian merchant code. And so they adopted it on the manor. That was the mineral law. One of the only few places there are only two two places in the world. Was that? Meno mineral? Yes. Minoral, like the lord of the manor. Oh. The manors in the field. M I N 0 R. Okay. Not right. M A N 0. M A N. Got it. Okay. Now
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It sound like you said M I, and I didn't know what you were saying. Alright. I got it. Manoral. Yep. Gotcha. Manoral law. Yeah.
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So that system went along until about 1640.
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Said manoral for a moment there just to be clear. No, man. Please.
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That system went along until about 1640, and there was an event called the, the Treaty of Westfall. Are you aware of that? I've heard that. I've heard that. I couldn't tell you where it is, but I've heard Well, it's the Westphalian Agreement. And as it's referred to, and a hundred years later, there was a a law book, a group of laws written for the whole world. What the Westphalian Agreement did was it took all of these manors and these huge expanses of land, throughout Europe and it formed them all into countries. K? So it was in the middle sixteen hundreds that the feudalism system went away and we started getting countries. Now, a hundred years later, in about 1750, there was a very, very important law book written called Vatel's Law of Nations. That's V. Vatel's Law of Nations. Have you ever heard of that, Jeff? No.
Very, very important. Okay. All the countries on the world signed on to it. And for the most part, they still adhere to it today. So that was the transition from the feudal system to what was system we is now and we know now. Now in that feudal system in Europe, there was two different types of serfs. There was an involuntary serf, which was much akin to black slavery in our country, and there was a voluntary serf where you used that oath of fealty and you volunteered into the condition. It was your idea. You said an oath to the Lord of the Manor in a ceremony.
It's called the Oath of Fealty. You can see one in the Monty Python's Holy Grail. You can go on the Internet and read about it. The lord of the manor would stand above you. You would kneel on both knees. Critically important. You only kneel on both knees. Often. Yeah. You kneel on both knees to God. Okay. Exactly. And you put your hands over your head like you're praying. The lord of the manor you're surrounded by the other serfs on the manor as witnesses. So this is literally a contract. And the lord of the manor puts his hands on yours, and you give a vow to pledge your body as property attached to the land.
I pledge my body and my worldly goods because even then, if he had a property right on you, you really couldn't own anything. So therefore, you pledged your worldly goods to him at the same time. K? Now, you can find the reference to to this in Black's Law Dictionary again. Now, the what you're gonna look for, we call it villain. But because this came over with William the Conqueror to England and he brought the European common law along with the feudal system, then the it's spelled French. So if you go look it up, it's v I l l e I n, Villeen.
We say villain. The female was a knave. Okay? Well, when William the Conqueror oh, I would I wanted to add this. The only way there was one way you could get out of involuntary servitude, Jeff, and there was only one way, and that's if you were a bastard. Because if you're a bastard, it was always a possibility you were sired by the lord of the manor. Now we're talking about biological
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bastard.
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Yes. Not just a And William the concierge. Of an episode. Alright. Right. William the conqueror who we'll get into at some point was a bastard. And a lot of his people called him William the bastard, actually. So k. Anyway, that's, that's the involuntary servitude and the voluntary servitude. So when William the conqueror came over from Normandy, he was a Dane. And the Danes had taken over England, and and the Danes had gone down and whipped the French, and they'd given him all that land Normandy and stuff. So he was literally related to Harold, who he fought at the Battle of Hastings.
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Ten sixty six?
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Correct. And both of them had a legitimate claim to the throne. K? So when William came over, backed by the Jews and the pope, came over to conquer England, and they had a battle called the Battle of Hastings. It's down on well, actually, it's not too far from where Paul English lives. Okay? So it was down on that southern part of England down around Dover and stuff. And, actually, Harold was winning, and it was right down at the last of the battle. And William the Conqueror had one archer. You're not gonna believe this, man. It's true. Had one archer who had one arrow left, and he shot it arbitrarily into the air, and it came down in Harold's eye.
Killed him on the spot. One arrow changed the whole course of the world, man. Okay? I heard that story once long time ago. Yeah. So he drops. His people freak out and retreat, and the whole world changes as William the Conqueror comes over and takes over ownership of England. Now, if you go into Black's Law Dictionary again, you can look up a entry called the Domesday Book. We pronounce it Domesday. It's spelled D o m e s d a y, Domesday. And, it's about William the Conqueror's conquering of England and it talks about they use surveying terms, minutes and seconds and that kind of stuff. So it took him twenty years to survey the country so he could hand out the land to his nobles.
But he was real smart, Jeff, and he wouldn't give them all the land in one place. He'd give them some up in the Northwest, some in the Southeast, some in the Northeast, some over in the Southwest so that the nobles would always be traveling around to oversee their property and their estates, and they wouldn't be plotting to overthrow him. No. Shrewd.
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Yeah. So Yeah. With
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Shrewdness is not something new. It's been around a long time. Long time. So he comes over and he brings the European common law, which includes feudalism, but it doesn't come over with the involuntary servitude because England's always had a doctrine called the free soil doctrine. Have you ever heard this? No. Well, there's never been a slave born on the island of England. And even when a black escaped over there a couple hundred years ago, and the court ruling freed him, said there's never been a slave born on the on the island of England. It's the free soil doctrine. K? K. So all he could bring was voluntary servitude, which is called the English variety of slavery.
So you go back to the Black's Law Dictionary, and let's go look at this villain stuff. If you look, v I l l e I n now, you'll see there's a bunch of entries there. What we think the one that they're mimicking here is called a villain regardant. A villain regardant. And if you read the definition there in Blacks, it says, A villain attached to the land, property, and transferable by deed. The bond with your birth certificate attached.
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Tried to. Yeah. You brought it full circle. Yep. That's a good a good little tour of history as well. So just keep in mind that everyone born and certified is actually a piece of property. And when you die, your certificate is actually owned by people big, huge, mega wealthy people you'll never hear about own these stock certificates. And when you die, they are worth money. They can be cashed in on the basis, apparently, from what I'm told, of what you've achieved, what you've done in life, how much wealth you've accrued, and all the rest of it. So Okay. They're you're you're worth money to them. Yeah. That's the point. Because it's your future labor. And I don't know anything about what you just talked about, but I I just know what's happening here with us, and I am just shocked that we're at the end of the program already. And I'm very sorry. Well, because here's, just barely lifted up. People can just tell people how to get in touch with you, and they can pursue this if they want to. Just keep in mind, this is, educational.
The history that was presented now was was interesting. A lot of you don't know much about history. I don't know much about it a little bit, but it was very interesting. And to find how it it came in a nice big loop to close like that was, it was a nice little trip. Interesting.
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For sure. I hope you learned something out of it, and this is just stuff that most people never I mean, you know, we heard about Kunta, Kente, and roots, and we heard about the Japanese guy, whatever his name was, but they don't show you much about the feudal system, do they? Never. No. No. No. It's it's considered ancient history.
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They've got the public now so stressed out, so chaotic. Everything is now being thrown at them very quickly, and people can't think. They don't even know what's going on half the time. They're trying to survive.
[00:49:35] Unknown:
Exactly. Literally. They're on the hamster wheel, and they're terrorized, and their bills are mountain, and they don't know what to do except go into a catatonic state. People buy the the info website we've got where I've got other interviews if you're because I'm kinda dragging it here with Jeff because I want you guys to get an education out of this too. But if you're anxious to know more about this, and I know some people, once this hits you, you just can't even hardly sleep at night because I was that way. K? You go to the matrixdocs.com, and that's either d0cs or d0x, either one of them, the matrixdocs.com.
We've got a new student section over there, Jeff, where we've got things like the, the, War Emergency Powers Act cleaned up there for people to watch for background and other important things for newcomers. And it's important to get a good foundation here because I you know, here let me just lift the cover a little bit, if I may. Over on the Show Me the Law, which I hope we'll get to do next time, well, they the National is called a Nonresident Alien. And that applies, but only to the Internal Revenue Code. And I hear people going around, getting stopped on the road going, you can't give me a ticket. I'm a non resident alien. Well, that's just not right. And I want people to do this right and understand what they're doing. Well, if they don't do it right, there's a whole lot of grief involved.
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That's why I stay away from the the sovereign movements. I'm not saying they're all bad, but there's too much too much that can go wrong there. Alright. Thank you, Roger, for coming back and, adding to the story. And there's a lot there, so if any of you are interested, you know how to get to it.
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You can dig in real deep on any of these issues.
[00:51:22] Unknown:
Alright. Very good. Thank you, Roger. Mister Jeff. My pleasure. Alright. Alright, my friend. Good night. Good night. Alright. Roger Sales, and we'll take a break and come right back with more after this. Are you prepared for the future? Do you know how to navigate past the upcoming dangers before it's too late and sees budding opportunities before others do? Forecasting worldwide since 1980, Gerald Saloni, publisher of the Trends Journal provides timely and accurate trend forecasts that have earned him the reputation as the most trusted name in trends. The proof is in the hundreds of accurate forecast Soledad has made over the past thirty years. The nineteen eighty seven stock market crash, the clean food trend, the dot com bust. The trends journal alert subscribers to early subtle signs of crucial trends that will shape our future. It allows readers to anticipate change, recognize the implications, and take proactive strategies.
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Introduction to Roger Sales and Nationality Discussion
The Concept of Nationality and Freedom
The 1933 Bankruptcy and Its Implications
Understanding Property Rights and Birth Certificates
The Bond Market and Economic Control
The Feudal System and Historical Context