In this episode of Radio Ranch, host Roger Sayles discusses the significance of March and reflects on the concept of 'Babylonian captivity' in modern times. He expresses gratitude to contributors and partners who help extend the show's reach. The episode highlights the various platforms where the show is broadcasted, including radiosoapbox.com and eurofolkradio.com, and mentions the upcoming appearance on Jeff Rents' show, which Roger is excited about.
Roger shares a personal story about his friend Walt, an internationally known jazz trumpet player, and his experiences performing around the world. He recounts a conversation with Walt about the political climate and the impact of significant historical events.
The episode also delves into the challenges and strategies of spreading their message, the importance of truth-seeking audiences, and the potential impact of appearing on larger platforms like Jeff Rents' show. Roger discusses the significance of having a loyal audience and the challenges of reaching new listeners.
Listeners are encouraged to engage with the show and participate in discussions about personal freedom, legal challenges, and the importance of understanding one's rights. The episode concludes with Roger expressing excitement about the upcoming show with Jeff Rents and the potential for reaching a broader audience.
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Well, there you go. Well, we would too. We might help a little bit here. Very special day. We never know until the day's over and then subsequent days what the results may be. But, anyway, that's what we try and do. We try and do it here on a six day a week basis, of course. Roger Sales, your host at the Radio Ranch, and today is March. March is just full of goodies, for me personally. And, of course, Sunday as of Sunday, the ninth, we will have been in Babylonian captivity for ninety two years. Well, that's really so that's a mouthful right there. K? And if you don't think it's Babylonian captivity, well, guess what? You just don't understand because that's what it is.
So Yes. Okay. Well, we're with a number of other folks that help us extend our reach, And, we always are grateful to them for their contribution and cooperation. And Paul is the one that goes over them, gives them all the proper credit. Probably, we probably can't give them enough credit, but Paul tries to here at this stage of the program. Paul, if you would, please.
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At this stage of the game, actually, we're, we're only on radiosoapbox.com, where people will also be able to tune in to Paul English Live at 3PM Eastern today, radiosoapbox.com. Or you can find the links at paulenglishlive.com. We're also on eurofolkradio.com. Thanks to pastor Eli James, and we're on Global Voice Radio Network. Our website is thematrixdocs.com. And, the matrix docs, you can find links to free conference call, join us live on a show, or the Eurofoker Global Voice links. Tonight, we're looking forward to our very own Raj being on Rance.
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First time.
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First time. How are you gonna con. You just go up there. I'm gonna try and and grab it and stream. Cast it. I'm gonna try it. Yeah. I'm gonna try to. And, Shouldn't have any problem. I just I just can't wait to, to have AI, spin out a transcript for that. Yeah. That would be fun. Yeah. And,
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yeah, and we can you can stick that in, and record it and stick it on Sunday this this week or next week, I guess, technically. Put it in there on the ninth or whatever. I'd love to have our own recording. I know you can access Rents' shows. Mer's got a Mer. Remember y'all remember Mer? Mer's got a site where she can go over there and they post all the previous shows, so you probably get it out of there too. But, man, it's just very exciting for me today. And and, of course, many it's funny. I went around Tuesday and, here because my friend, Walt, the internationally known trumpet player, jazz trumpet player, he's doing a show tonight on all Frank Sinatra stuff.
He he was sent around the world on a world tour by the state department. He was nominated and given the title ambassador of jazz and, did a worldwide tour on, Louis Armstrong, I believe. Uh-huh. And and, you know, imitating kinda has that imitation stuff, and he was it's very interesting. He told me he was in Serbia. Yeah. Elgrade doing a concert.
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And, where's all that noise coming from? Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. We got chop chop in the house or what? Yeah. We got chop chop and going in the house. Here we go. Participants are muted and they can unmute themselves.
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See you chop chop. So, anyway, he was at the embassy in Belgrade. And, he said, you know, when you walk into the embassy and you see there's a wall, of course, when you walk in a desk and all that. And behind it is all the pressing officers of the government, you know, and it was Bush and, I think let's see. Yeah. Bush and and Cheney and some of the others. And so he's sitting there looking at the pictures, and the ambassador walks up behind him and says, these son of a bitches are about to do something that's gonna change the whole future of the world. Three days later, it was 09:11.
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Wow.
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So, anyway, interestingly enough, Walt's given a concert tonight up in Quito, and I can't go. I would have planned to. He's a a good friend and damn good trumpet player. And, he used to write all the scores for America's Got Talent. He's also a writer and and, yeah, composer and, quite a guy. And, anyway, I can't go tonight because, all of a sudden, Jeff Rentz, comes along and invites me to spend an hour with him. Of course, I love Walt, but I'm gonna do this show, of course. And Tuesday, when I was at lunch and I was asking some of the folks there, nobody had ever heard of Jeff Rentz.
I asked about five or six people. I was really shocked. Okay? Except Walt. I called Walt last night. Pardon me? Don't tell Jeff that. If he's been on the air for thirty years and nobody knows him, don't tell him. Well, it shows you a little bit about our Patriot community here. Some of them are off on the fringe. You know? But, excuse me. Anyway, when I called Walt last night, I wasn't telling him I was gonna be there, but I had this, come up. And I said, you know Jeff Rinses, don't you? He goes, oh, yeah, man. That's a huge show. So Walt knew. So, but it was kinda interesting. And Jeff hadn't penetrated everything yet, but he has worked very diligently, consistently, three hours a night. I'm sure he plays replays occasionally, but, all these years, thirty something years, I remember listening to him back in the nineties.
He was one of the first aggregators on the Internet. You know what I mean by an aggregator, Paul? Somebody that goes out and gets all the different news stories and compiles them, from whatever source derived. Used a little IRS lingo there, and compiles them on his website. It's an excellent website. He's got he's had over the years so many important people on his show. He's really a trend breaker, and that's what excites me about what we're doing. I think his audience fits the definition of truth seekers. And he's got an audience of truth seekers. Alright? And and he's cutting edge. And I was sitting there thinking yesterday, well, damn, the first time I ever heard about Savitize the V was on Jeff Rents' show with a guy named Barry Chalmers, a Jew, that had pointed the finger and exposed all this. I'd never heard about that before.
I don't know if it hardly anybody ever had. I I think back in Cliff High, I I listened to I heard Cliff High for the first time on Jeff. Jeff's the guy that broke Cliff High and a lot of these other things. He's just a cutting edge kinda guy. And, so I'm very thrilled to get on there tonight. I believe his audience will be be be very high percentage uptake on our information because they're truth seekers. If they weren't truth seekers, they wouldn't be listening to Jeff. So let's, hope our cross our fingers and hope that, logic is bears true. I believe it will and, could be a real kick start for us. We'll see. I will promise you I'll do the best I can tonight. Okay? Yes. There's several people who want to say something there. Well, I have a quick comment. Hold on. Let Paul Just just one quick one quick one, Rick.
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It's not that that your expat group are not truth seekers. It's just that a lot of them never knew anything was wrong, so they never knew there was anything to look for. And that's a lot of what's going on with people that probably true. You know, you could say are not truth seekers.
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They just didn't know there was a truth out there. So Well, no. It's it's so funny because I've been dealing with Rich for over thirty years. I know who he is and all that stuff and listen to him off and on for all that time, but he just hadn't penetrated everybody yet, but I'm a neither has Alex Jones. Most of them don't know who Alex Jones is either. Although they're fine conservative people. But, anyway, that's where we are. I'm really excited about tonight. Rick, what do you gotta add, buddy?
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Rents loops his programs twenty four hours, and he usually replays the live broadcast nine to twelve immediately after. So if you miss it, you can hear it three hours later.
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Right. Ann Murr will probably send us that site where he or somebody puts up his recordings, and Paul is probably gonna have a backup for us. So we ought to be pretty covered, and I think Jeff and I'll get along real well. We got a lot of things in common, especially he's big on broadcasting, and he's big on nostalgia. And, boy, I got a lot of that in my closet. Okay? So, I have a feeling we'll hit it off just fine. We got some differences, obviously. Everybody does. But, I think him and his audience are gonna be very impressed with the information. Now the question is because I sent him, and I think several of you did because I suggested it on here, the link to God's, Trump card, which I also sent to him, and he said he's gonna listen to. So I don't know if he's already aware of all that. If he's had time to do it or not, we'll find out tonight.
But, boy, it sure is exciting to finally, after all these years, be able to step up on a platform like him. Now remember, I I did do Joyce three times. But for one thing, GCN back then had twenty two hours twenty two minutes of spots an hour. So you got a little over forty minutes, a little under forty minutes to get your information. And with this type of information, they'd have three and five minute breaks. Hell, I couldn't even remember what we're talking about five minutes before. You know? I'd have to really memory peg it. So that was very difficult. I I understood, of course, what was going on, but I didn't understand it the way I do now where you can really simplify it for folks. And that limitation of having all those commercials in there, and it just was not an ideal situation. Now some of the listeners we've got today came from those, those appearances.
Samuel being one of them. Several other people have stumbled through here. Said, oh, yeah. First time I heard you was on was on, Joyce Riley. In fact, Samuel. I remember the first time Samuel called in. And he goes, yeah. Well, he called he used to call in as freedom, d u m b. And, he said, yeah. Well, I heard Roger on Joyce. And I said, well, I'll I'll just wait and see how Roger does. And so seven years later, he checks in again and been with us in regular ever since. So there were some folks that were that that penetrated to, not as many as I had thought.
And, of course, then, I've, you know, I asked you this one time, Paul. You know what the biggest reason that alcoholics start drinking again? Paul, is he off? Did he run off somewhere?
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He's off chasing the cat. Expectation.
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Expectations of other people. Unfulfilled expectations of other people is the most common reason that people fall off the wagon. And I was kinda guilty of that a little bit, like, when the John b Wells thing came along. I thought, man, here's this huge audience, this great recognized broadcaster, and and we'll just blow this thing out. Well, John got it. He got it real quick into the presentation. I'm pretty pretty surprised really, but he got it. But the problem there was he's broadcasting at the behest of a group called Sinclair Broadcasting, and they didn't like that information on his program.
K? So but the point being is we only got a couple of folks out of that. I was really shocked. But I think Jeff will be different tonight. We'll see. I'm not trying to have any expectations, but I would guess that there may be a few more people with us, like, next week. So or Saturday. So we'll see. Anyway, very exciting. We've it's nothing like achieving a big goal that you've had for a long time and worked towards. And the achievement of goals like that are just really satisfying, You know, the warm fuzzy effect. So, anyway, we'll see. Anxious to meet Jeff. I think you'll him and I will get along very well, and you'll probably want me back, I would think. And, we'll see how it develops.
I know our message as you do or you wouldn't be here. Our message is really important, and, it's the key to the whole thing, really. So, looking forward to tonight. Anybody got any ops opinions or anything on that? Any suggestions? Roger, don't cuss or anything like that? No? Okay. Well, I I promise you. I'll give you this, my promise. I'll do the absolute best I can tonight. So I think we may open up a door or two. So we'll see. You know? And the problem is you get on there. Some of those people will be skeptical if they've never heard this before. But I got no no, no wiggle room for any skepticism.
I mean, the federal government has been agreeing with this for fifteen years. Fifteen years this month, by the way. And, our was 2011. It's twenty fourteen years this month. Sorry. Fourteen years this month. And, I I've never received any information from any of you outside of the bluff letters from or missus Robinson or this latest one from the IRS outside of those garbage things. We've never received any word back of any blowback in anyone's lives from filing this with the federal government. Now state governments are a little different, especially traffic stuff as you know and we've discussed.
There that that situation is unpredictable. The one of the federal government is totally predictable because they've had the same reaction for fourteen years. They stay on mute. Now back in the old days, of course, for about the first half of that, the what we would suggest was, for you to not even give the secretary of state the naked affidavit, but to, just apply for a passport or a passport card. And, I've mentioned this before. Do y'all know how seriously they take passport fraud up there? They take passport fraud incredibly seriously.
And the example that I always use was something that happened when I first started doing this. It was back around 02/2011, and there was a retired army guy. He had been stationed at Guantanamo. And somewhere earlier in his life, he had applied for a passport, but he didn't sign it. Remember, if you're a first time passport receiver, applicant, you gotta go in front of this, agent, an affiliated agent with the federal government at the post office, somebody. And if you don't have one of those guys in the post office, you gotta go in front of a judge. And we've had some of our students, Ken, in West Texas. They didn't have a authorized agent at the post office, and so he had to go to a judge. Well, he never saw the judge. He just dealt with the clerk. They have him sign it, then they take it, and they mail it. He wouldn't even let him mail it. So the interesting thing about that is with Ken and his situation out there, a couple of weeks later, he was at the gun shop trying to buy some ammunition, this nice guy next to him, and they start talking, and it was the judge.
And Ken brought up the incident. He goes, oh, yeah. I remember that. And Ken started feeding him some of our information, and they were supposed to get together. I don't know if they ever have, but, there's there's another judge. You know? So, they take this passport stuff very seriously. Well, this guy had, I don't think he had signed it, but he had filled it out and sent it in to the passport division at some point earlier in in his life. And when he went back and he went to apply again, of course, because he got no response. It wasn't anywhere legitimate.
So he goes to apply again, and they come arrest him for passport fraud. Because there's a question there that says, have you ever applied for a passport before? And he answered no. Even with an unsigned application that what that that they sent in accidentally. Well, they said you'd send in an application before, and he'd been in jail for six months down in Jacksonville and had to appeal to the senator from Florida to get him out of jail, which he did. But my point being is they take passport fraud pretty damn seriously. K? Nobody's ever even been approached about that with us. We've had conversations with the passport office. And they go, the guy goes, oh, yeah, man. He says, yeah. You're listed as a national. And he he brings up the affidavits because, obviously, it's attached to his profile there. And he goes, wow. This is really good.
We don't have any problem accepting these types of affidavits. It's those 30 page booklets that get shoved to the back of the desk. David Strait. David Strait. David Strait. So they take passport fraud very seriously. And, we've never had any of that happen. We've never had one single blowback reported to me. Now there could have been some, but my experience with you folks is when anything happens that's abnormal to you, the first person you're gonna reach out to is me. And you're gonna come screaming, Roger, Roger, I got a letter. Roger, Roger, they did this. It happens every time. I mean, I've experienced it a number of times, so I've never gotten one of those going there dinging me.
Well, we do get some bluff letters occasionally. They're not from the state department. We got missus Robinson from the state department with all of her crap. But the best ones are really the passport office, bluff letters. And as we've talked about on here before, we haven't had not very many of them. I mean, over fourteen years, there may have been, I don't know, eight, ten, 12, 15, something like that. That's not very many for as many people as have applied. And they do it pretty good, really. All of those bluff letters contain the same first paragraph. I can just about quote it verbatim. It appears by what you've submitted that you're a citizen of The United States, and they quote the fourteenth amendment, blah blah blah blah blah. And subject to the jurisdiction thereof, they kinda just tail it off right there. They go, this cannot be waived unilaterally, blah blah, except by operational law.
Well, all you have to do is write them back. It says, you know, fourteenth amendment says and subject. It didn't say our subject. Well, that's pretty blunt and to the point. Say how about Vatel's law of nations and every man has the right of personal political self determination. Is that lawful enough for you there, passport division? Well, it must be because every time anybody sent any response to this, they've always gotten their documents. Of course, relatively, about a year ago, we had the story from Jerry about his wife where Hilton, whoever the hell he is, some new world order stooge, calls the wife from the passport office. She had applied for a card in a book.
And, the wife says, I'm in a meeting. Could you call back in thirty minutes? And she alerted Jerry, and Jerry fielded the call. And Hilton started saying, so look look your wife is born in Syracuse in New York. She's born in The United States, blah blah blah. And I don't know exactly how Jerry responded, but he responded real good. He held his own. He, you know, he'd taken me literally and uptook the information, learned it, made it part of his. It is his passport application they didn't have any problem with. It was the wife's. And so they have that conversation. I've most of y'all have heard this before. And at one point, Hilton, there in the passport office, he wouldn't give him an ID number or last name, first name. All we know is Hilton.
So, Hilton told Jerry, said, man, you really know your stuff. God, that warms the cockles of my heart, folks, because it shows we're doing the right thing. Roger. Jerry did it. Hold on, Merca. Jerry uptook all that information. Whoever this guy was that was trying to feel him out said, you really know your stuff. I'm telling you. And so then they asked Jerry. So would you we can't do this. Would you rather me just send the package back? And Jerry's thinking, yeah, we'll approach it another way. They go off on vacation with some of their buddies to South Florida for a week. And when they come back, the passport and the passport card are in the mailbox. Yes, Myrca. They're all paper tigers, folks. I'm telling you. Myrca?
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Hey. Good morning. Good morning. So I was just gonna say they're not they're not gonna when I they're not gonna, deny us the, you know, deny the affidavit because it's our fact. And we're using factual documented data, that is out there for them to review and verify. Yeah. Now compared to other people Yeah. Compared to other people using, you know, other words in the national part, it's, you know, it's it's easier for them to bluff or easier to mess with because of all the, you know, extra information that they add to their affidavits. Our affidavits pretty simple and effective and novel. For them to say.
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31 pages like a novel. Okay? And remember the couple that called in is some couple that ran into CPS in Southern California, I think. And someone gave him David Strait's name, and they went and paid him whatever absorbent amount of money that he's charging for that sort of stuff. And they took it to CPS and delivered the 31 page opus to the CPS guy. And he opens it up, and he's reading through it. And he goes, oh, you're a sovereign citizen, are you? That's what you get from those type of people. K? So, anyway, our our our stuff is proven. It's simple.
It's easy to execute. It's inexpensive. It's nonconfrontational, and, by golly, it works. K? So we'll convey all that as much as we can in an hour with Jeff tonight. It's very much of a challenge to try and get this information in in an hour because all you can do is hit the high points, and you'll probably miss some of those. But I promise you, again, I'll do the best I can. So, anyway, I'm looking forward to doing that tonight and seeing what kind of response we get. And who knows? It may be the impetus to flip us over to InfoWars or some of the other big platforms that have not yet caught up with our stuff. And I think that may be the case. So, again, we'll just wait and see. I'm quite excited about it. I'll be thinking about it the entire day today up to the 09:00 in showtime.
09:00 my time. So anybody got something to add to that? Some of that? Observations, comments? Oh, y'all quiet. Alright. Well, I'm a go with Joan first. Hold on, guy. Yes, ma'am.
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The big man that we've you've been waiting for has been preparing you for fifteen years or more, and you are ready now, mister.
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I think so, John. I feel like it. I mean, you know, see, this is I've done what I try and tell you people to do, which is make your this information yours. I mean, I know it like the back of my hand inside out. I I I dream about the damn stuff. Okay? So I don't know how much more you can internalize it, and that's what you gotta do. The the the the degree of your freedom is totally correlated to how much you understand and have commanded this information. There's a direct correlation there. And for the people that are too lazy, don't want us to learn, like, Fletch Fletch, that guy that used to be on Saturday, the Jew basher. And I start telling him, Alicia, you mean I gotta learn all that?
I said, well, damn. You wanna be free? You know? How about Thomas Jefferson? Those who expect to be ignorant and free expect what never was and never will be? Well, that's still true. Okay? So, yes, Joan. I appreciate that. The big guy has, definitely had his hand on me for a long time. Who was the guy that was trying to say something there?
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You are blessed.
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I I truly agree with that, and I know it, and I thank him profusely for it, Joan. There was a guy who was trying to say something when Joan was right there. I put you on the back burner. You wanna get taken off the back burner?
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That was me. Sir?
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Yeah. Who's you? There it is. Who's you? Hello? Oh, yeah. Hello? Is that Thomas? It's Thomas. Hey, man. Well, you're you're still a little faint. Thank you. Thomas is the one that really opened the door for this. I wanna give you proper credit. Thank you so much. And everybody that sent Jeff an email because he read that's evidently the email that he goes to on a daily basis. And, he saw all your emails and he responded. Thank you all so much. Yeah. Thomas, what you got here? Awesome, Thomas.
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Oh, hey. Yeah. No. What I was I mean, I'm really nervous for you tonight. I mean, I just got my fingers crossed because, like you say some people get it and some people don't and I have no idea. I mean Jeff is a smart guy, I've been listening to him for years, but you know how it is. It's got nothing to do with your IQ or anything. You get it, you don't or you're intrigued by it. And what I was thinking of is not to tell you what to do or anybody else and to be offensive or in any way, but if you had maybe people could call in and give you like say, if you had just a sentence to hook somebody like I keep thinking tonight, you've got to like set the hook because one hour isn't good, you know, darn well. One hour isn't, you need to be a regular on this show, I think. Well,
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I don't disagree with you and he may see it and bring us in. Now I tell you, Thomas, I've got this thing simplified. My big charge over all these years is, as I've told you guys, to get it as simple as possible so that someone can uptake it, the information, get exposed to it, uptake it, and and react to it as quickly as possible because there's a real time lag in there. I understand that. I I think I've got it structured in my mind. You want me to tell you how we're gonna cover it tonight? I'm gonna start out with Alice in Wonderland. I'm gonna start out with Pavlov's dogs because that's something Jeff saw on the website in a in a something somewhere on the website and asked me specifically to cover that. Of course, I will. And that theme goes through the rest of the presentation, so we'll probably cover it right out the gate. I'm gonna go and talk about Alice in Wonderland and give the spiel on that. Then we're gonna go into equivocation and show people how they've done what they've done. That should take the first half hour.
Now whether Jeff will see the importance of this and waive the spots at that point, I don't know. We'll see. Sometimes he does. Most of the time, he doesn't. But when if if my timing is right, I'm gonna try and get it timed. And the second half of the hour, I'll start out asking him the two questions. And I if he hadn't gotten it by then, he'll get it by then. I think, Thomas, that he's probably listened to that badass uncle Sam interview at least once. So I think he's on top of this already. Don't know for sure, but I think so. So we'll see.
But I've got it pretty, pretty, I've got it a lot easier to understand than it used to be. Put it that way. And see, that's why I've moved that Alice in Wonderland, the equivocation to the front like we did on the badass uncle Sam video because now you know how they've structured your mind to be able to pull off what they did. So by the time you see what they've done, you can grasp it easier because you know how they've done it. And that seems to really work, Thomas. Yes, Paul. You're trying to say something?
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Maybe maybe you can try and work. Once you cover Pavlov, try and work in there how everything is dialectics and people are exposed
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to That sounds. That sounds. Yeah. People
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people are are exposed. They're constantly, bombarded by opposites on the same issue. So they really don't know where to think. So it so it kinda creates a, a panic fight or flight just I don't even wanna think about that. Just get get that away from me. Just just don't talk to me about that.
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I mean, how many times have you been listening to somebody on the air, some sort of thing, and they'll go, wow. That's exactly what's opposite the reality. And see, they understand it on an individual basis like the Patriot Act and stuff. But what they don't understand is that this technique of opposites equivocation is the basis of everything they do. Okay? Right. And that's the important part right there. Because what that does for you is it gives you a remedy, A, to go back and straighten out the definition in your subconscious. But, b, it shows you every time you got a question about anything, you always look a 80 degrees in the opposite direction.
And every time, you'll find the answer there.
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Yep. And because their whole deal
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is built on it. Yep. Go what now? Right.
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Don't forget don't forget to, share the quote, that, we'll know our disinformation program is complete, is successful
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when everything the American people believes is a lie. Yeah. It's a lie. William Casey, and I might do that and see if I can slip it in. I'm gonna have to play along because I don't know how Jeff is gonna respond to some of this. And he if he is responding, his response will dictate what we do next. So it's not totally under my control at this point, but I think I'll have pretty good control tonight. So we'll see.
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Oh, you you've got, like, little snippets. That's all in there.
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Oh, I got more sky I got more more stuff than the sewer department to throw in there. Now who's that? Can I lift you up? Somebody's got their mic open. Who wants to say something?
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Merca did. What'd you say? Roger, I like your I like your actually, I like your plan how you how you said what you were gonna do. You were gonna do the first thirty minutes a certain way and
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add after that. So looks It just works better that way. If you launch into telling them what they've done, they don't understand the dialectics. They don't understand the implications of a lot of that. They're just kinda and that's where people really get confused. I think if you show them what's going on and how they've done it before you show them that, that they'll see that and it's much easier understood by them. That's what I think. So I got some for you, Rob. Do it. I told hold on. I I I sent Jeff the Dodge from current. I said this is how I'd like to, explain this Thursday. Yes, sir. Who's that, Rick? Was that you, buddy?
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This is Dan. This is Dan from Massachusetts. How are you, Roger? Hey. Hey, Dan. Oh, hey. Hey. Hey. You. Buenas? Yeah, man. I just I just want Dan Edwards, Jeff from Hmong Metal Math. I just wanted to, I just wanted to give you just the absolute confidence you already have it. But, I mean, I went this stuff is crumbling everywhere. I walked and moved through court as if they didn't wanna touch me in any kind of way. It was a simple traffic stuff. And so it's not so simple. They want you. They they wanted to arrest me in the whole nine yards, and I walked in there with such confidence that they they bowed to me like that guy did to like that judge did to that that guy. What was that guy with long hair? And he just passed the thing across the bar, and the judge stood up and sort of bowed and walked out.
He didn't quite do that, but it was close enough. I just wanted you to have this out. He looked at me and he was like, no, mister Edwards. We understand your constitutional reservations of rights. And he stopped short of saying, we understand that we broke through all of that, and we hope you don't do much more about it. And and just just just I don't know what else to pardon.
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Dan, you got pair you got pair parakeets in the back there?
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You know what? There must be. I'm outside. I bet there's birds out here. Oh, man. Well, there's still birds?
[00:34:07] Unknown:
There's still birds in North America. Well, that's encouraging.
[00:34:10] Unknown:
Yeah. And then Hey, Joe. Be attacked with any Bill Gates gadgets, so I think they're natural. Well,
[00:34:17] Unknown:
I I hope not. You brought up a very important point, Dan. You you you centered off a little bit, but from my, point of view, you know, because I've been trying to as I said, I've been trying to get it on wrench for, well, fourteen years since I started, really. And, and, what I came to understand after a few years of that was I got real frustrated because I never couldn't make any progress, man. You don't know how hard it is to find you folks. You folks that respond to this. It's difficult. You if you go out and talking to people, you're gonna understand what I'm saying real quick. Okay? But it's very difficult, especially in the early stages. Yeah. To find people. And so I I I back in those years, Dan, I kinda just said, well, I know how important this is because I did. And and I'd say, well, lord, I just can't do this anymore because I get so frustrated and mad and all of that stuff. And I said, well, listen. I can't push this door open. It's just too damn heavy for little old me. And what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna put that in your hands.
And and in the interim, until you decide that that time is right, I'm gonna just go ahead and learn how to do it easier, build a foundation with folks like Dan and Mirka and all you good folks out there, and we'll just see to when the door opens. Well, you know, as you look at it right now, if I'd have gotten on Rents ten plus years ago, oh, it's it's damning information. I wouldn't have known as well how to explain it back then. And there probably, excuse me, wouldn't have been as many people that were, accepting of it. But now that's all changed.
[00:35:59] Unknown:
Laundry, just keep it simple with the national
[00:36:02] Unknown:
Hold on. Let me finish. Yeah. Now we got these people being exposed at every level. I mean, every level. They had to sit there the other night in that in that one of the State of the Union, that speech with Trump. And they gotta sit there and defend child rape, migrants by the tens of millions, murdering, raping, stealing. They've got to defend all that. The the new world order is crumbling and getting exposed every time you turn around. And now
[00:36:34] Unknown:
I I don't know why they're so bad at it. How did they get so bad at this? They were perfect. Well, it was before. Now they saw Yeah. But it's I don't If there it's all based on lies, Dan. That's why. So now you got a damn pool of gasoline out there that's all vaporizing.
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And I'm here at the big podium in the middle of that lake of gasoline, and I got the match. So now when we get rents tonight, there's a whole lot of people that are more aware, a, and b, could this be the one that pushes them over the edge?
[00:37:10] Unknown:
You just don't you just never know. I just I just wanted to say out loud that I I have absolute confidence, Roger. I I don't know where it's all gonna go, but I watched myself move through that court and I watched them. It's more than once, by the way. It was several times and through this whole process, I watched them bow when I stood. I stood without shake, man. There was no shake. I just, like, lean right in and they're like, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow. It was all a matter of Yeah. It wasn't just the words I used because if I was shaky, they would have rolled me. You know what I mean? Right. So I know there's that aspect to it. But just the I just I just want to impart my confidence into your heart if that if that means anything. Thank you. And and just it's so it's just so powerful. The group I'm part of, by the way, I I asked her once before and I didn't do anything to help coordinate. I'm sorry about that. But it's like, I want those guys to hear this on Tom Ryn, so I'm gonna get on. I don't know where to look for it. I missed the first about seven minutes of what you can do. I'll tell you. I'll tell you. Yeah. But Paul's gonna Paul's gonna try and broadcast it here, which I'm sure he'll be successful at.
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And, you can go to Rents's site is rense.com.
[00:38:21] Unknown:
R e n s e Com. Will do. Yep. We have a quick, we have dismissal after dismissal on our on our Operation WyzeDome server. It's a it's one of those, servers everyone gets on and opens up a folder and they put their cases in. We can talk on there. I forgot the name of the platform, but everyone knows it. It's Discord. Discord is the name. There's about 300 of us on there. There's about 50 cases open in there. They're loaded with, dismissals and the motions that we're filing and the stuff we're doing. We're also we got it. It's a lot it's a mastermind like an operation wise dome we call it. And we put all our minds together. Next thing you know, it's like a bunch of guys like you now all talking and running through this stuff like all in one spot and they're not like you, Roger, because we don't have all of your experience. But but pretty dang close in our spirit.
The spirit is just like you and everyone on this call, and this server is loaded with I have a dismissal. Dismissal after dismissal, they look at it and they have to stop in their tracks and be like uncle. And and I don't know how much Jeff Brenn that would stuff like that would mean to Jeff. And you can't even go showing them all that stuff because it's just too much. But dismissal after dismissal after dismissal in Wyzethone. If they come up against Wyzethone, they end up getting dismissed.
[00:39:40] Unknown:
Okay. Let me ask you. I don't believe you've mentioned that. Discourse? Is it .org? Dot what for some of our other folks that are litigious?
[00:39:47] Unknown:
Yeah. It's the Discord is like this app that came up that's it's called the Discord Server and Discord is this program. If you just type in Discord on your phone for the App Store, you'll see it's in there. And, and d I s c o r d and you open a little account with Discord and now you can hop on to anyone's server, they call it a server. And so, this one is called Operation Wyestone.
[00:40:19] Unknown:
Okay. Operation Wyestone. Operation Wyestone. Okay. D o n d. Yep. Okay. For those of you in the audience that are involved in any of this litigation stuff, traffic, or anything else, I assume. This, Discord is an app that you can put on your phone, and it allows you to tap into other servers and with other people on the same length that you can put together like Dan's describing to us.
[00:40:47] Unknown:
Yeah. Server's a little different than your Radio Ranch show. Like, you're on Yeah. You're in a spot. You have a thing. People log on and they get rivals the same thing here, but it's on a thing for application called Discord. And and and there's just we're strictly about Monte strictly, not strictly, but most it was just right to travel, which isn't your thing per se. Like, but we're all eager to get into court because we want them to hear. We want them to dismiss. We want the evidence that they keep dismissing. And while most people aren't and you shouldn't be eager to get into court, we've all been battle tested. So we ain't that shaky in that way. I mean, we're still shaky. Don't get me wrong. I'm afraid. You know what I mean? Yeah. Of course. But we go anyways. We go anyways. It's Daniel. It's it's Michael. It's biblical. It's Right.
[00:41:34] Unknown:
Well, that's the way a lot thirty years ago, a lot of patriots would go out intentionally and try and get into traffic situations because the ramifications of traffic court are pretty small, pretty minimal, and they could get in there and get this practice and experience. So what you're saying That's what is a technique that's been used by the patriot community for a long time. And I don't discourage you from doing that. My only thing is I know what's involved. If you get into court with these guys and and even in other serious things like the IRS thing I was in, and I don't want people that have never done that before going into that situation being naive. Nope. Can't do it. Please be aware of what what you're facing.
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Okay? Yeah. It's like lineman work or or oil rig work. There's no green horns. There's no green horns. There's just that and that's okay. There's nothing wrong with that. And and so but, yeah. It's like now there's hundreds of us, thousands of us. Yeah. The auditors, everyone is getting into court. Mostly younger kids too that are scrappy and flipping up their middle being born with their middle finger out. Uh-uh.
[00:42:40] Unknown:
Yeah. You know, that type of thing. Well yeah. That's good.
[00:42:45] Unknown:
But, well, it does make you stronger and, it it it's a good thing. And but I just want look what look at with Joe. Look at Joe Lustica. I mean, if I had told him, Joe don't do that, but he's very litigious. He's got a wonderful foundation on what he does. He has exceptional legal skills, I guess, inherently, it seems. And he almost took a town back. Folks, he almost took his town back for the people in the town and kicked all the government officials out. But what do you have to go through to get to that point and persevere through all of the crap? They're gonna throw in front of you. But Joe did. He committed. He went back finally and started doing research on the founding of the town and, the the original paperwork it was, founded on and the things that they had to do and didn't couldn't do. And he was about ready to take the whole damn town away from them, folks. I mean, this is serious stuff we got here.
[00:43:44] Unknown:
And we're getting serious. And that hundredth monkey syndrome is now at hand is is all I'm really getting at because whatever patriots were doing it before, there was isolated. Now there's a pool of people pouring in that are actually getting this done. It's that hundredth monkey sort of thing, if you know what that is. I do. You guys know what the hundredth monkey is? Yes. Yeah. So if you wanna explain that to people that that later that but, yeah, we're there because now it's not just a couple. It's raining as it relates to, like, the numbers of people getting in and doing that.
[00:44:18] Unknown:
Well, that's what I gotta get across to Jeff and them tonight and his audience is these guys got a lot of money. They got a ton of influence. They've been running the world for a long time with these scams and these deceptions. But, they're scared of one thing. That's us with numbers and truth. Roger. Period. You've got all three of those things. They are they're terrified us. That's why they call us terrorists because we terrorize their scams. So, I can yield now, Roger, and thank you so much. And I love you. Got something to add. Thank you, Dan. Yep. Alright. Well, you're a very nice addition to our our crowd here, and we appreciate you. Marco, what you got?
[00:45:00] Unknown:
I was gonna say just keep it simple with the national, when you Oh, honey. Don't worry. What the what the the definition is, '21, 11/01/2021. Right.
[00:45:11] Unknown:
National. No nothing else on it. Well, yep. I'll be as simple as I can. And, so hopefully, we just have enough time. That's that's the problem. It's the back end the back thirty minutes on getting into all of these different aspects of this. I don't know you can cover all of them. I'll try and hit the ones that come up that are important.
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K? Like, for instance to verify Roger.
[00:45:36] Unknown:
Well, I mean, yeah, yeah, I'll I'll give them all that. Listen. I'm not forcing them to do this. I don't want them to do it unless they're, moved by the information and wanna do it. So I don't go in and beat people up anymore. I used to do that, and it's very, very, unproductive. People end up not liking you worth a damn. So, that's not the way to win friends and influence people. Merca, this is what I promise you. I'll do the very best I can. K? And, if they come, if the people come, great. And if it's like John b Wells and we never hear from any of them, well, it just shows our road ahead's a little bit harder, but it's still, doable.
But I I don't think that's gonna be the case with this audience tonight. They are For some reason of the fact by the nature of the fact, Marca, that they're listening to Rents who breaks a lot of this stuff, They're automatically truth seekers, and the truth seekers are the ones that this information registers with. I think we'll do quite well tonight. What was your comment?
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I know I know that you know this, but, if they do need to verify it, it's, title eight,
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section 11 o one twenty one. Well, I'm not gonna go into all that. I got because I don't like going into statutes and regulations. I'm gonna use the fourteenth amendment on them. K?
[00:46:59] Unknown:
Because you can explain everything right out of the way. That sounds good. Yeah.
[00:47:03] Unknown:
K? And they go look at that reference. It's it's not confusing. It's just deceptive because they don't know the other side. For instance, there's nine legal landmines in that sentence. Persons, born, naturalized, United States, and subject, jurisdiction, citizen of The United States, and state wherein they reside resident. There are nine legal landmines in that short little sentence.
[00:47:33] Unknown:
So it's 9PM eastern. Right?
[00:47:37] Unknown:
Yes. 06:00 your time. Okay.
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Okay.
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Yep. So, so who else has got something to add this morning? Any comments?
[00:47:47] Unknown:
Yes, sir. Comment. Roger, can hey. This is Sam in Illinois. Hi, Mirka. Well, hell, where in the hell have you been? Buenos Aires. Hi, guys. I've been doing stuff. I I've had issues with the city. A quick question, and I'll tell you my experience too, though. The, ten forty n r, do you send that to, Texas, or do you send it to North Carolina?
[00:48:12] Unknown:
What does it matter? No. I wouldn't say well, if I was gonna tell you to send it anywhere, I'd say send it to Philadelphia. But if they instruct you to send it to Texas, Austin, then they'll forward it to Philadelphia. All nonresident alien returns are processed through Philadelphia or used to be. Philadelphia. Okay. Now do you know? Do y'all know? Do y'all know that Trump cut loose Doge cut loose 50% of the IRS the other day. Oh, that's weird. He fired 50% of the personnel. So don't expect your paperwork to zoom through there for one thing. And the other day, the week before, he closed a 20 IRS offices.
[00:48:57] Unknown:
Are you serious?
[00:48:58] Unknown:
Yes.
[00:49:01] Unknown:
Wow. What can we expect from that?
[00:49:04] Unknown:
So and I'm I'm sad about that, Sam, because hell, the IRS has been our greatest recruiter. So I'm kinda sorry to see him going away, you know, really. And Trump's gonna try and switch that over to tariffs and that the tariffs will take care of the national debt, which is still fraud. It's still based on fraud. But anyway, that's kinda what's going on. So wherever they direct you to send it, Samuel. Now what what else is going on with you?
[00:49:32] Unknown:
My my son actually told me to do this, and we put all zeros. And I guess that's he was asking which where to send it to. I guess he he still had the file even though I did the revocation of election. Right?
[00:49:43] Unknown:
Ho ho ho ho. You your your son is telling you to send in ten forty n r's and all zeros?
[00:49:52] Unknown:
Yes. Or Well,
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oh, man. I I'm glad you're with us, Argh. You wanna address that, Argh?
[00:50:00] Unknown:
Yes. Well, that works. You just you can put all zeros except for the amount that was withheld for your taxes and then, follow the instructions on the ten forty n r where you mail it. If you're wanting a refund, if you're anticipating a refund, you mail it to Austin.
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Oh, Austin. Okay. Okay. No. I'm not quite interested. The address is right there in the instructions.
[00:50:29] Unknown:
Now I'm wondering about the all you're running.
[00:50:33] Unknown:
Now hold it, Sam. My money a couple years ago.
[00:50:37] Unknown:
Well, what are you sending an NR in for?
[00:50:40] Unknown:
I mean, I don't know.
[00:50:44] Unknown:
Have they have somebody withheld money that you're trying to get back? Sam Sam Sam, hold on. Hold on, Erica, please. Sam, is are you has somebody taken money out that you're trying to get back?
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I'm not sure if there might have been,
[00:51:00] Unknown:
a couple hundred dollars or something. If you're not sure, don't don't do anything else until you become sure.
[00:51:08] Unknown:
Phil knows what he's doing. Phil knows what he's doing. He's helping him.
[00:51:13] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. He is. Why are you filing a form? Why are you filing the NR with all God almighty. Why are you filing an NR with all zeros on it? If you want money back, you gotta put some amount in there. Don't you, Mark?
[00:51:29] Unknown:
Yes. There's a spot for taxes that were withheld and you put that amount in there. And that gets to the point of where you get a refund. Now prior to that as you're going down the form, as you're going down the form, some people put zeros in every every other column when there's no amount to put in there. Some people want to put a zero in there. So I've seen both ways and seen refunds come both ways. So, it's really just amount you're reporting the amount that was withheld. Sure. And the amount of your income that's exempt. And that's what comes out to your refund.
[00:52:15] Unknown:
So, Sam, is there money that's been withheld from you that you're trying to get back?
[00:52:21] Unknown:
Well, I think it was has to do with dividends. Some dividends might have been, oh, boy, I couldn't even tell you to be honest with you. Stock. A little
[00:52:33] Unknown:
bit amount. Stock. Yes. Go ahead. Well, if that's a little different. If if you got dividends from stocks that you had purchased in the past, that's tax. Yeah.
[00:52:44] Unknown:
Yeah. You don't want to do it in an hour. You want to do a regular one. Right?
[00:52:48] Unknown:
Well, it's still the same form, but you have to put that down as income. And then you gotta look up on the tax table what kind of tax you owe on that.
[00:52:58] Unknown:
Okay. So, normally, on on everything with whatever was in there, it was just there was no it was, there was a spot where you you would put in, you know, just to roll it back into it, and then I didn't want any dividends.
[00:53:13] Unknown:
But there's one Doesn't matter. We explained this yesterday. Were you on the show yesterday? No. I was. I haven't been on there for a little while. I explained that in very depth. People are people are looking for ways, but they seem to get taxed. You know, I give them I give them the simple, you know, here's here's the only way you can be taxed, and they keep looking for another way to get taxed. So but, Sam, it doesn't matter whether you you plowed those dividends back into whatever you purchased or whatever your investment is. You were paid those dividends. No matter what you do with those, those dividends are potentially taxable to the National. Okay.
Okay. Yeah. You can go put it in your bank account, you can go buy some more of that same stock that's paying dividends. Doesn't matter. You were paid dividends. You should have received a $10.99 on on those dividends and that is what you would potentially pay a tax on. Again, you're taxed.
[00:54:15] Unknown:
Copy of that, all that stuff.
[00:54:18] Unknown:
Right.
[00:54:20] Unknown:
Oh, so you roll it back into it without taking or or actually cutting the You didn't hear? Listen. Sam. Sam. Sam.
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Please listen. Please listen. Listen
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closely. You received income from stock dividends. It's got to be a domestic corporation that you'd individually had purchased specific stocks from that pay you dividends. That's something common that a lot of people do because it pays them no residual income. And so when you get paid that dividend, it does not matter what you do with that income. It's still taxable. And you should have received a $10.99 from your stock brokerage company that would show you what or maybe from the corporation itself but you should have received a ten ninety nine showing that you received dividend payments.
And again, it does not matter what you do with that dividend money. You can roll it back over into that same program or same stocks. You could buy yourself something with it. You can stick it in your bank account. Doesn't matter what you do with it. You receive it as income, and it's gonna be counted.
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Okay. Now now Sam That's all to differentiate Mark, let me interrupt for just a second. Go ahead. If you go and sell the stock, you won't have to pay capital gains. But if they give you a dividend, that is gain and it's taxable.
[00:56:02] Unknown:
Yep. Well, it's from a US a US source is where I look at it. Gain from a US source is taxable. Yeah.
[00:56:10] Unknown:
Yeah. Okay. Okay. Alright. Let me try to understand this. So what you're saying is instead of touching the dividend, if it just goes rolls right back into the stock, even though you don't sell it, you still owe money on it. That's correct. And at the end of the year, let's say at the end of the year, the stock goes to zero, you'd still owe money on money you never touched is what you're saying. No, you got paid at the end of the year. Okay. Even though it rolled back into it, and you didn't touch it, you still owe money on it. Even if it when the stock went up or down. First off, first off, you I'm really questionable about you saying you roll it back in.
[00:56:47] Unknown:
Because it makes me wonder if you're like in more of a mutual fund or a four zero one ks or something like that because No, no. They're individual stocks. Individual stocks. Okay. So when you just say roll it back in and that's pretty vague. So if you're taking the dividends that that you're hold on. Let me finish. If you're if you're taking the dividends that you're you receive from the stock and you turn around and buy more stock. Right? Whether it's whether you do it or whether it's automated, you still receive dividend income and that is potentially taxable as a national.
I don't know how much simpler I can put that. Yeah. Okay. Now it doesn't matter where the stock it does not matter whether the stock price goes up or down or sideways. It does not matter what the stock price is. It just matters that you receive dividend payments from those stocks.
[00:57:42] Unknown:
Mhmm. Okay. That they paid out dividend, that's an income.
[00:57:48] Unknown:
That's correct.
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Yes. Alright. Fair enough. Okay. Fair enough.
[00:57:52] Unknown:
Okay. So you guys don't mind what I was doing. I was gonna Hold on. I got one one important thing to add to that.
[00:58:00] Unknown:
If you do a ten forty n r because you have, you know, dividends or or, you know, income that's taxable as a national, you do not send that to Austin. If you have to write a check and make the payment, you do not send that to Austin, you send it to North Carolina. There's only two places that you send your ten forty NR to and they're listed in the instructions.
[00:58:22] Unknown:
Wow. Okay. Okay.
[00:58:25] Unknown:
Alright. Okay. Yeah. That was the question. It was either Austin or his gun. Yeah. Well, the question I'm still trying to get an answer to is why are you sending in this $10.40 n r? Did somebody withhold on you from somewhere, Or are you trying to deal with these dividends?
[00:58:43] Unknown:
Well, here, let me see why it was even printed out. I'll take you in a second. I got a really interesting story for you guys anyways besides this. Let me see. Okay. So I'm not under you know what? I'd have to ask Philip, and I keep telling him to jump on, and I don't know why he's not, unless he's busy.
[00:59:14] Unknown:
Well, I just a simple question. Why are you filing that form? That's the question. I couldn't even tell you, Raj. I you know what? I'm not very Alright. Well, then hold it, Sam. Alright. Hold on. Since that so hold on, Sam. Merca, please. Everybody, we're talking all over each other. Go ask your son. Not right now. Ask your son and get that information and come back and visit us when you got when you know what you're doing and why you're doing it. Okay. Good. Okay. I'll do that. That's fine. Okay. Because we're chasing our tails here. If you don't know that, we're chasing our tails right here to me.
[00:59:52] Unknown:
Go ahead. Well, it sounds like if if there's some money being made on the stocks and even though it's getting rolled back into it, that it's taxable, then it's fine. It is what it is. I don't have an issue with it. So Okay. Again, I'm glad I asked. I'm glad I asked. But I wanted to share something with you guys, and I someone had talked about earlier about, some app. I wrote it down earlier just now. But I was gonna tell you guys what it had been happening with the city when they went after me. To be courageous, like that young man said earlier, he was talking or whoever was talking earlier. So I would say, you know, I had a problem with the village. Right?
That they went after me. They I did some siding, and then, the guy came to my property. And, I told the guy, whoever was doing the siding, quick professional company anyways, that not to get a permit, I'll be responsible for that. So the inspector goes down there and says, where's your permit? So the guy calls me up. He goes, hey. This guy is here looking for a permit. I said, let me talk to him. And, he gets on the phone. I said, get the hell off the property immediately. So So whatever. I said, what did the guy do? He goes, man, I can't believe it. The guy got in his car. He left right away. I says, great. So then I get a ticket in the mail. I'm cited for not getting a permit.
So I wrote them a letter stating, thank you. You you know, your service is not required here and such and such. I sent that to the mayor, code enforcer, and attorney general. After I did that, they set a court date saying I have to appear, which I already sent my letters with registered return receipt. And, they judged against me for $750. Right? So then I gave them within thirty days, and I never knew all this stuff, an order to vacate. So they have to respond to that. So you have a hearing. Right? And you tell them, hey. You need to stop what you're doing. We're gonna relitigate this. So January 15 was the next court date. I show up. Funny how they do this stuff. People have to be very focused on what they do. As soon as I walked in there, you know, the judge oh, I got a copy of the oath of office of the hearing officer and whoever the prosecutor was, and I wrote my name over it. And I I made a copy of it, and I had them time stamp it. They have a copy of my payment schedule.
Everything's in line. Everything's there. My citizenship papers. Right? Everything's there. So now everything's on record. They can't say they don't know what's going on. After I did that, January 15, I went there, and this is how they get people. They say right away, they they they they go raise your right hand. Do you swear to tell truth? And as they're saying that, I'm folding my hands and shaking my head. No. I don't know what's happening behind me. People are probably going, you know, raising their hands. I'm the third guy, and I got recordings of this, which is really important. You go to foyer requests, and you get the recordings of the court documents, anything that's being said in there.
So I'm up there, and he goes, how do you plead? I says, what do you mean how do I plead? Plead what? I says, I'm challenging your jurisdiction. I learned this through a guy named Irvin. He's he's probably on here from time to time. And the guy goes, I says, I'm challenging your jurisdiction. He go I go, do you have my papers? He's, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He goes, how do you plead? I just I'm challenging your jurisdiction. What I'm saying to the guy is, how do you have authority over me? That's it. I don't. He goes, you know what? I'm gonna just do it default. Right?
[01:03:36] Unknown:
You're gonna do what, Sam? Fine. He's gonna do what? He's gonna
[01:03:40] Unknown:
he's up here. I'll read it. It says, order by default. Like,
[01:03:45] Unknown:
Okay.
[01:03:46] Unknown:
Okay. I have the paper that I have on one second. Once you challenge jurisdiction,
[01:03:51] Unknown:
I think what's going on here, Mark, see if you agree with me, is these, like, hearing officers and things, there's there's two types of jurisdiction. There's subject matter and in personam. And what they're going on is they think they've got subject matter jurisdiction over you because you're in their territory. But your non personum jurisdiction overrides that, I believe.
[01:04:15] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. Not exactly. So here's what he wrote. See if I can find the document. I gave him all this oh, it's, it said, no. That's not it. Basically, I'm asking him how you have jurisdiction over me. Okay. The case is found to be liable, liable by default. Okay? That's what he wrote on there. So what I have to do is I have to the court
[01:04:39] Unknown:
They couldn't default you because they hadn't I answered the jurisdictional challenge. Nothing can go forward when jurisdiction is challenged. He's out of out of his lane
[01:04:51] Unknown:
here. Yes. Mark, do you agree? So here Totally agree. Totally agree. So here's oh, beautiful. Yes. So here's what I did. Challenged jurisdiction, they cannot go forward until that matter is settled. And guess what? Thank you. The judge is not the one you're arguing with. If the judge is arguing with you, then he's prosecuting the case. The opposing the opposing attorney, whether they're the city attorney or county attorney, whatever, they're the ones who had to prove that that their case has jurisdiction over you. It's not the judge's determination.
[01:05:29] Unknown:
The prosecutor wouldn't even look at me. Code enforcement wouldn't look at me. This guy, he had no authority to do that. I agree with you. I get this now. That's that's where you need to get your courtroom strategy ready because normally when a judge starts arguing with me,
[01:05:43] Unknown:
I ask them if they're if they're, prosecuting from the bench. Are you prosecuting on behalf of the the city or the county, whatever court you're in? Because it seems like you're the one arguing. Yep. Instead of being a instead of being a referee, you're the one who's doing the arguing.
[01:06:00] Unknown:
Right. What John Mark, what John what John would say is, are you an independent trier of facts, or are you a party to the action?
[01:06:09] Unknown:
Yeah. Right. Right. Exactly. Yeah. And that third party That's a nice way of saying it. Right. Well, I didn't even go to that I didn't even get to that point, but here's where it gets really good. Here's how here's how stupid they are, and I didn't realize it. And they I don't even know if they realized this. So he writes on here. Right? So I go to a Hundred Third District to to file charges, a civil matter against the city. Okay? Now they have my payment schedule already, which is 5,000 a minute. Thanks to Paul. Whatever he wrote, I copied it and sent all that in. So but what they wrote on here, it said, you failed to appear on this date. So they actually committed fraud on a court document.
[01:06:55] Unknown:
Sure have. Yes.
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So yes. So now I got a Zoom call with some judge, which is, I guess, from the state to protect my rights. So I'm going to actually, my my first defense is gonna be, like, first of all, before we get started, I need to see the search warrant that they were they issued to me, the property owner, that they came on the property. I'm not gonna let them say, oh, with the I don't give a shit. You need a search warrant to come out of to private property, number one. Number two, you falsified, documents, court documents. That's two. Number three, they violated my right, okay, as far as freedom of religion, who I'm gonna worship. If you think about that, that's really freedom.
And they went after my and they used my intellectual, my, my personal intellectual time. I I there's a new there's a different document for that one. But there are so many things that I'm gonna get them on, but I'm gonna first of all, before I even get started, I need to see how they have jurisdiction over me. That's gotta be the first thing that we're gonna say.
[01:08:03] Unknown:
Am I correct or wrong? Well, and you need to separate subject matter and personum. They may not even know that.
[01:08:12] Unknown:
Quick comment. They're gonna have to prove that. Will they Oh, I understand.
[01:08:18] Unknown:
Okay. Well, your your personum jurisdiction overrides their subject matter, I believe. Go ahead, Paul.
[01:08:24] Unknown:
If they are making a claim that you failed to appear and you actually did, you need to get, the court transcript for that day so you can prove you can rebut their claim.
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Right.
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I actually have it I have a video
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because I asked them for a request. Fantastic. They sent me a thumb drive, which I compute when I copied to the computer. So I have a way you know, I could actually show it. There's not an issue. Okay. Okay. Good deal, Sam. Alright. So when's your next appearance?
[01:08:56] Unknown:
April, April 2. It's a Zoom call Okay. In front of a Oh, Zoom call. What's going on. I'm just kinda giving you guys up on what's going on.
[01:09:05] Unknown:
Well, it's not surprising coming out of Cook County. I can tell you that. Go ahead, Mark.
[01:09:11] Unknown:
What's telling you?
[01:09:15] Unknown:
Well, Sam, just go ahead. Mark. Do what you gotta do. And,
[01:09:22] Unknown:
yeah, right. Here's what I wanted to tell people is don't be afraid. Figure it out. I mean, it's it's I didn't get it either for so long. It's just what is your next process? How do I appeal it? Thirty days you got whatever they say. You know what I'm saying? You walk in there. How do you plead? What do you plead? There's nobody there. There's no nobody that's, you know, going against you. Another place.
[01:09:46] Unknown:
Okay. I I have a ticket. Sam
[01:09:49] Unknown:
yeah. I wanna tell Sam how good it is to hear your voice. I've asked where you were a few times. Thank you. Right. I don't think we've heard from you since December. It's been since December. Yeah. What what's your payment on that, please?
[01:10:02] Unknown:
Well, so when he got the ticket, couldn't he done an abatement to it? And I forgot what was the problem.
[01:10:10] Unknown:
He he could've tried that. Yeah.
[01:10:12] Unknown:
No. I did. I sent them a letter. I sent it to, like I said, the mayor, the code enforcer, and the the attorney general of Illinois, Kwame. And I got return receipts, and I let them know that, hey. I don't need their I don't I'm not asking them. Here's a here's what people don't get. You said something earlier, Roger, and I'm gonna state this, and I want people to kinda think about what I'm about to say. The government governs. Okay. That's their job. The government governs by the consent of the governed. So who's in control?
The governed. So we are That's a fair question. Yeah.
[01:10:50] Unknown:
Well, no. Yeah. Yeah. You answered those you answered those two questions yes all your life and gave them permission to. That's exactly correct.
[01:10:59] Unknown:
That's it. That's all of it. They're governed by your consent. When I went to court for eleven months and I would not consent I couldn't figure why they weren't going after me. They have to get you to say yes.
[01:11:10] Unknown:
Yep. Even the devil makes you volunteer, Sam. You're doing good, Sam. You're doing good. Yeah. I think you're doing good, man. Well, keep brushing up on it. You you got, I think, the answers between now and that hearing. And, talk to that judge and see what he says and let us know. Okay?
[01:11:31] Unknown:
Yeah. No. It's not the I want people to know. I I'm gonna go through it no matter what, you know, because, you know, we we get in we do things when it affects us. When it doesn't affect us, sometimes a lot of time, you know, yeah. Yeah. Whatever. Oh, I don't know enough. Yeah. When it comes to you, though, you start to figure it out. You know what I mean? And then maybe help somebody down the road. That's why we're here. Like what you're doing. Right? Exactly what you're Well, that's well, which is why we're here.
[01:11:55] Unknown:
I know. I know. This
[01:11:58] Unknown:
is Who's trying to say something? Mark, is that you or somebody or what? It's kinda mumbled.
[01:12:02] Unknown:
This this is Chris from California. Oh, it's Chris. Hey, Chris. Yeah. Yeah. So, so is this Sam from Cook County? Yes. Yes. Okay. That's in Illinois.
[01:12:16] Unknown:
Yes.
[01:12:17] Unknown:
Yes. Yeah. I used to live in Cook County.
[01:12:20] Unknown:
Sam, what was your Smart that you got out. These people.
[01:12:24] Unknown:
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. What was that? Sam, what was your first contact with which agency?
[01:12:35] Unknown:
It was a, a code enforcer.
[01:12:38] Unknown:
Code enforcement. Okay.
[01:12:41] Unknown:
Yeah. Billing inspector.
[01:12:43] Unknown:
A bill oh, okay. A code inspector.
[01:12:47] Unknown:
Yeah.
[01:12:48] Unknown:
And was your first contact that they left a notice tacked on your door or your fence or sent you a letter or came over and met you personally and caught you off guard?
[01:13:02] Unknown:
No. No. No. I've had few run ins with them, and and my biggest question was, and I kept asking my they they said, well, it's an it's an ordinance and it's a statue. And I said, for who? And they said it's for the city. I said, I'm not part of the city.
[01:13:19] Unknown:
Wait a minute. Did you talk to them, or was it in a letter or what? It was in a letter. This last one was a letter. Yes. So you've got a letter?
[01:13:29] Unknown:
Yes.
[01:13:29] Unknown:
And and this letter started this whole situation?
[01:13:34] Unknown:
Well, yes. Yeah. Well, the yeah. This this particular one. Yes.
[01:13:39] Unknown:
Okay. Well well, I don't know what you did, but Joinder is the key issue. You cannot give them Joinder. They're looking for Joinder. Now was there ever a personal contact or was it only by letter?
[01:13:55] Unknown:
Well, this last issue was by letter, and I sent them a letter to their letter in writing as they responded to me.
[01:14:06] Unknown:
Okay. What did you do with their letter?
[01:14:10] Unknown:
I they they sent me a citation.
[01:14:15] Unknown:
I sent them a rebuttal to their citation stating that Wait a minute. Wait a minute. If they sent you a citation, then that wouldn't have been the first contact.
[01:14:24] Unknown:
What was the first contact?
[01:14:27] Unknown:
That was the first and only one. But now, Sam, let me this is an ongoing situation. This didn't didn't start with this incident. You've had previous incidents with these people. Correct?
[01:14:39] Unknown:
Yes. That's true. Ah. What did when when did it start?
[01:14:46] Unknown:
Well, it started years ago. And every time I I went to court with them once before, and they had to drop the case. They stated I had some, like, noxious weeds in front of my house, which is poisonous. There's eight in the state of Illinois, none of which were there. They were trying to pull up fraud on me again, which I should have sued them at that point. Then they went after me for something else, stating that someone was living in my garage without any kind of evidence, and that took eleven months. Again, I I wouldn't consent. Now here's the killer. They I have that letter stating I'm sorry. I have something posted on my property stating that if you if you come on here as a code enforcer or any kind of federal agent or whatnot, and it's very detailed, it's a hundred and $50,000 any part of the day. Now this is how stupid these guys are. I have a Ring door cam. I had the code enforcement come to my house. K?
And he acknowledged it, and then he left. Right? And then when this is my dad's house. My dad passed away, so I was doing the the rook and the siding on it. And that's also posted. So this is how stupid they are. They took a picture. Hold on. They took a picture of the property with the notice.
[01:16:01] Unknown:
So they can't say they've never seen it or acknowledged it. Okay. Well, that's my next That's and that's not really that's not really an issue. Did you pull your land patent?
[01:16:12] Unknown:
Actually, I just went to Cook County about a week ago.
[01:16:17] Unknown:
You did the land patent from the CLM?
[01:16:19] Unknown:
I appreciate it. The wall. Yes. The chain of title, the land patent, and everything. You have the land patent. They wouldn't accept it. They wouldn't accept it. No. I don't care.
[01:16:28] Unknown:
I don't care what they won't accept. You have to understand you have to challenge jurisdiction. Now we do this a lot. We've done this for hundreds of people, maybe even thousands at this time and I'm not alone doing this. We got a little group going here and we are a % effective. We when when when we get any kind of letter from them, number one is we we might we might steam it open and make a copy and then close it back up just so we know what they're thinking. But then what we do is we send it back to them within seventy two hours to prevent them from getting joined. That's the first thing we do. Then we take the name and address of whoever the first agent is and we create a two zero eight page brief and letter that we send them and we never hear from them again.
And then we do a process where we give them ten days. If they don't respond, we give them a notice of default. We give them another ten days. Then if they don't respond to that, we give them another ten days. And we do all of this with registered mail. I mean, I suppose you could do certified. We do registered mail and we get them completely defaulted. And we also look up the Dun and Bradstreet number. We we give them a set of about 20 questions about their authority, about their, oath of office, about the Dun and Bradstreet number, about, what authority do they have on private land. We always call it private land. It's always private land. And we're never a resident. We're one of the people.
Right. We're the man upon the land. And we're very careful about this. We've been doing this for, like, thirty, forty years. And who is gonna come? Who are you? Wait. Wait. Who are you? I'm Chris from California.
[01:18:29] Unknown:
Yes. Okay. He's new, Sam. He's been coming he's been coming around since we didn't hear from you last time. Go ahead, Chris. Oh. Or who? Okay.
[01:18:39] Unknown:
So the the point is we completely default them, and only one time one time did they have the audacity to give a citation after we were all done to a guy and give him a court date. When he went into court, I told him, I said, now when you go into court, take those green cards with you. And I said, all you gotta do, is tell the judge. I sent them letters and they never answered my letters. And they will, as they always do, they'll they'll deny it. They'll say, we didn't get any letters from him. And then you tell the judge, I have the green cards and copies of the letters right here. The judge will ask to see that, and he'll rail on them and tell them where to go. Okay. Yeah. That's their experience.
Okay. Good. Good. Only once out of hundreds of people did they have nerve to actually take it to court. And that judge told them to never bring a thing like that into his courtroom again.
[01:19:41] Unknown:
Thank you, Chris, for sharing that.
[01:19:44] Unknown:
Yeah, Chris. Thank you. You know, I actually did that. I brought a witness, and we did take the agent's name down and the time we took it. Yeah. But you can't talk to them ever. Everything is in writing. It all has to be documented.
[01:19:58] Unknown:
Okay. So while the witness The only thing you wanna know is what authority do you have on private land held and protected under land patent number blah blah blah along with some more questions about their oath of office, what you want to see a copy of. They won't respond to it at all. They won't do it. And all of our clients, they hang them. We we'll hang them with any one of 20 questions.
[01:20:25] Unknown:
Okay. Middle steams' consent.
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Awesome. That's right. Right.
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By the side to the party, that shows their guilt, another court case said.
[01:20:37] Unknown:
Okay. Because I do I was following Ron Gibson and his protocol and how it's all done. Ron Gibson is not complete.
[01:20:44] Unknown:
I know him very well. His his process is not complete.
[01:20:50] Unknown:
Okay. Well, again, I have a witness. If I have to, I thank you for telling me. I'll send these the guy the letter. Absolutely.
[01:20:57] Unknown:
Well, it has to be done it has to be done the right way, and you have to use language that keeps it in the common law. Okay. Okay. You have to know how to construct that letter with you know, it has to be done very carefully.
[01:21:13] Unknown:
And how would I get ahold of you, Chris?
[01:21:16] Unknown:
That was exactly where I was going right there.
[01:21:19] Unknown:
Okay. Alright. Because you have So I don't know. Now in California, we have what's called the Bagley Keene Act. We also have the have the government code. And in both places, it says the people of this state do not yield their sovereignty to the agencies that serve them. That goes right on top of the whole package. Okay. Good deal.
[01:21:44] Unknown:
That makes a lot of sense.
[01:21:46] Unknown:
Alright. Now how how can we put you two together you want? I think I've got Sam's email, and I think I've got yours, Chris. Yeah. I can put you all together.
[01:21:55] Unknown:
Okay. I believe you have a look while y'all are talking. Have my email and phone number.
[01:21:59] Unknown:
Oh, I don't know about the phone number, but I got your email.
[01:22:03] Unknown:
So This is my phone number should be on there. I don't know why you guys can you see my number or no?
[01:22:09] Unknown:
Where did you put it?
[01:22:12] Unknown:
Okay. Normally, when I would use to go on a computer, I used to see my phone number. What whatever number I'm dialing from today conference call.
[01:22:19] Unknown:
Oh. Yeah.
[01:22:22] Unknown:
Yeah. I see it. It's a 7087
[01:22:24] Unknown:
if if I if I were number. Right. Right. Right. Give it to Chris. Have him call me anytime, and I I you know, whatever it is. You know? Chris, are you on Telegram?
[01:22:34] Unknown:
No. I'm not.
[01:22:37] Unknown:
Okay. I'll pick something up.
[01:22:42] Unknown:
For us to be Now where you're where you're at, Sam. Where where you're at, Sam, you could enter the process and start doing because jurisdiction can be challenged at any time. Yes. It can. And and so you could start now by sending them a correct first letter and demanding that they respond within ten business days. And when they don't, then you could march right down their throat with the notice of fault and the notice of default. Then whenever you get in front of a judge, they'll be in default and you'll have all your green cards to prove that they got the communication and didn't respond. They're required to respond to you.
[01:23:28] Unknown:
Okay, Chris. Wouldn't it be better if I was to go to the clerk's office and have them time stamp a document to that letter? That way I have proof that they have it?
[01:23:39] Unknown:
No. You don't have to do anything with the court. This is what I'm telling you is an administrative countermeasure. You're you're gonna hold court you're gonna hold your own court in under the common law administratively, and you're gonna take the default when they don't respond.
[01:24:00] Unknown:
Right. But they have I have to have records of
[01:24:03] Unknown:
the letter that they received. So I'm gonna have a credit card. Well, you'll have it. You just send a certified return. Stop sending stuff registered. People, stop sending stuff registered. You're paying more, and it takes longer, and it doesn't give you any advantages. Stop it. Go ahead. Turn the receipt. Chris.
[01:24:26] Unknown:
There's there's something there's something you could do if you want more security that way. You could use a notary to do a, what do we call it? You could do a certificate a certificate of mailing from the notary that the notary verifies that they mailed it at a certain time and place.
[01:24:52] Unknown:
Yeah. Mhmm. Yeah. I've used I've used the notary. I've used the notary.
[01:24:57] Unknown:
That's you know?
[01:24:58] Unknown:
I'm sorry. Well, I had to have five witnesses to, document the land patent and the chain of title for it for the documents that we were gonna present to Cook County. Like, again, we took the guy's name down. We have a witness. They copied all of them. He says, well, I'm gonna have to give this to the lawyers. Basically, all he said. This was done last week. I feel more comfortable, and I've noticed that if I bring a document in and I get the clerk stamp on there and I say put it into my administrative file, they cannot deny that. They say we don't have record of it. I don't care. Here it is. Here's your time stamp. This is a copy of it. There there there's nothing they could say.
[01:25:39] Unknown:
They can't deny the effect. Right? There's a question they can't answer and it's the most important question, I think. The question is, to the agent, is by what authority do you claim to have regulatory power over private land that is owned by one of the people, okay, and that is held and protected under land patent so and so signed by President so and so at and at what time, that whole thing. That whole question kills them. They can't answer it.
[01:26:18] Unknown:
That's brilliant.
[01:26:20] Unknown:
That makes sense. That makes a lot of sense.
[01:26:23] Unknown:
That's the point. That that goes right to their throat.
[01:26:26] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. All you gotta do is prove that you have authority. That's all. Sam, I do not have your email.
[01:26:33] Unknown:
Authority over private land and over one of the people and over The United States land patent that's already been signed by the president of The United States.
[01:26:43] Unknown:
Right. Gotcha. Yeah.
[01:26:45] Unknown:
Which says that which says that you have the freeze in the land forever and your heirs and assigns. Right. Forever. That's correct. Yep. Absolutely true. Yep. They can't get around it. No way they can get around it. Right. They never have. Okay.
[01:27:01] Unknown:
Mirka? Mirka? You got a comment? Can connect.
[01:27:03] Unknown:
I sent you an email, Roger. If you can connect me and Chris, I'll connect him with Sam.
[01:27:09] Unknown:
Oh. Yeah. It's an awesome thing. Alright. Okay. Yeah. I don't guys, I don't have to say alright. No, Chris. Worried about anybody. I I don't care if anybody's got my email. It doesn't bother me. Please, I'm right here. Here's my address. This is where I live, and I'm all for it. Well, I just want Put it on. That's it. Put it out over the air, Sam. And, Sam, write it Chris, write it down. Okay. Okay. S s o t I r o p a n o p at proton dot me.
[01:27:43] Unknown:
Oh, proton. That's a good company.
[01:27:45] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. My my son. So Proton. Is really my son is way smarter than me. You know? And he and he's helped me through this. I I know about the land patents, but he's he's more of the, you know, the, the technical details.
[01:27:59] Unknown:
You said Kotak. What?
[01:28:02] Unknown:
Dotme,me, Mary Edward.
[01:28:05] Unknown:
Okay then. Really? Okay. Okay.
[01:28:07] Unknown:
Yeah. That's a really good one. It's a safe one.
[01:28:10] Unknown:
Okay. So it's [email protected].
[01:28:17] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I got it. Okay. Great. Thank you, Chris. Yeah. You could Thank you, Chris. Yeah. Alright. Now, Sam, you need to go back and talk to your son and find out why he's got you filing this ten forty n r. What was the catalyst for him to think you needed to do that? Okay? Are you trying to get money back? Are you what are you trying to do by doing it? That's what we need to know. You know what?
[01:28:46] Unknown:
Right. I agree with you. I just don't want them to come at me and say you owe us you didn't file or whatever. I But what
[01:28:53] Unknown:
find out, please, Sam. Find out why you're doing it. What instructions has he given you to guide you down this path? Please. Okay? Okay. Okay. No. That's, you know, that's that's why I called, Roger. I I know you guys Alright. Well, I can't imagine any any tax needs for these people coming off dividends unless you're one of these wealthy bluebud families that's got 10,000 shares of AT and T and all that. Those dividends might mount up to something. But, unless you got that, I don't know that the IRS would be consider you much of anything, especially in the condition they're in right now. Please let me finish.
Especially in the condition they're in right now with half of their, of employees being cut and a 20 of their offices being closed and the sickle of death hanging over their head from Doge.
[01:29:45] Unknown:
And and thank God and thank God. No. No. I'm not rich, Roger. No. I'm I'm really I'm just
[01:29:51] Unknown:
I'm kinda sad about it. Credit is so
[01:29:54] Unknown:
hold on, Raj. My my credit is so bad right now. They're not accepting my cash.
[01:30:00] Unknown:
Okay, Sam. He didn't get it. Whatever. We got we need to find out what you were in trouble, Raj. I I oh, jeez. He didn't get it. That's alright. Just try and find out why he's got your file in the 1040 and r. That's what this whole salvo opened up with. So if you could, please. Okay. Alright. Brother, I miss you guys. You know? Alright. We missed you too. I've been asking about you, Sam. Mark, what's your, what's your observation here?
[01:30:31] Unknown:
Well, it's it's like this the poor. I can't even pay attention.
[01:30:36] Unknown:
Yeah. That's it. That's it. Yeah. That's it. Yep. Yeah. No. I'm glad I called.
[01:30:44] Unknown:
Alright. So anybody else got any con Annette was trying to get in there a few minutes ago. I think we never could get to her. We've been in a round robin Volley here. So, Annette, are you there?
[01:30:57] Unknown:
Yes.
[01:30:58] Unknown:
I still have a question. Endorsements.
[01:31:00] Unknown:
Restrictive endorsements. So either you, Raj, you or or Mark or, Chris, if if let's say you're on the side of the road and you do a restrictive endorsement, and then do the within the seventy two hours return it with I forgot what's right written across it. If someone can speak on that, I yield.
[01:31:25] Unknown:
Mark? Well talk about a traffic ticket, right? So you're pulled over and they're giving you a traffic ticket and they want you to sign it and you're using some type of restrictive endorsement. So I don't know. That's that's not my area of expertise.
[01:31:40] Unknown:
Well, let me give you an example. Yeah. Yeah. He mentioned it the other day, I think. Let me give you an example of a restrictive endorsement because some of you don't know what that is. For deposit only.
[01:31:52] Unknown:
Yep.
[01:31:53] Unknown:
If you if this is deposited, you agree to that blah blah blah blah blah. Those are restrictive endorsements. They can endorse it and deposit it and and cash it out unless they meet the restrictions. I think Joe did bring that up. It's not a Yeah. But it's tactic. You had a term I've not heard it used in the yeah. I've never used it heard it in the patriot community either, Mark.
[01:32:23] Unknown:
Raj.
[01:32:25] Unknown:
Paul.
[01:32:27] Unknown:
I got a question for Mark. I have a document for you that I need to email over to you. Should I just use straw man or what?
[01:32:37] Unknown:
Yeah. Straw man's fine. [email protected].
[01:32:42] Unknown:
Oh. Okay. [email protected]. What it is is, a nine page document that is nine pages out of, like, a 60 page IRS filing or IRS publication that specifically talks about, frivolous filing and what they consider to constitute frivolous filing.
[01:33:10] Unknown:
So throw that at us lately.
[01:33:13] Unknown:
It's, it's nine it's nine pages, and they specifically talk about, the the person claims to not be a part or not a citizen of The US. It claims that the IRS doesn't have jurisdiction over the whole of The United States,
[01:33:33] Unknown:
claims this, claims that, claims the other thing. I mean, it is literally nine pages typewritten. The IRS IRS got a lot more jurisdiction than over The United States. We were the only country for a long time that they tax you on your foreign income.
[01:33:47] Unknown:
Right. Yeah. So I am, I'm attaching this document to an email and I'm, I'm sure Mark would be I'll rock it in a show to you.
[01:33:58] Unknown:
Yep. I got I got a letter of one time?
[01:34:04] Unknown:
Go ahead, Mark.
[01:34:05] Unknown:
Yeah. There's, I've got a a sample letter that can be used for a frivolous filing. And this basically, if you can get to the degree, say, no, I'm not a US citizen. You can't apply that to me. Yeah. And I can prove basic to it. I could probably summarize it down to one page. It kind of it kind of kills me. A lot of these people out here are writing, you know, pages upon pages of stuff that are just totally unnecessary. And then they want to charge you money for it, you know. And they're never gonna get read. Something that could be super simple.
[01:34:41] Unknown:
They're never gonna get read. Those multi long page documents.
[01:34:46] Unknown:
Right. Especially a 31 page affidavit. Come on. Please. You put in the the document, the more that could be held against you, especially now that it's where
[01:34:55] Unknown:
That's correct. The more statements you make, the more can be challenged also. But mister Strait has gotta justify charging you 4 to $600 for that thing. That's part of the reason it's that long.
[01:35:08] Unknown:
Right. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly.
[01:35:13] Unknown:
Okay. It's it's on its way to you, Mark.
[01:35:17] Unknown:
Alright. Good deal. Who else has got a comment or a question off of this, all this activity we've had here that Sam brought us. Yes. There's a female, I think it's Annette, and a guy. Annette's first. Yes, ma'am?
[01:35:30] Unknown:
I'm sorry about stepping on the other guy. But just, if there was someone in the audience, they can do it later if they want. About what do you write across? Let's say you sign normally and seventy two hours, you know, you you you return it with us going across the the ticket and you write I forgot what.
[01:35:52] Unknown:
That's your Or you could write,
[01:35:54] Unknown:
I think you write no contract.
[01:35:56] Unknown:
No contract. Yep. Yeah. Thank you. Or you could write conditionally you could write conditionally accepted on Comment. From territorial jurisdiction.
[01:36:06] Unknown:
Comment. This is this is Chris from California.
[01:36:09] Unknown:
I'll I'll tell you what you're saying. Joe. Go ahead, Chris. Those restrictive endorsements. She's talking about fond or I'll tell you I'll tell you what we write out. Hold on. Hold on. First of all I was gonna say, Joe, hold on. Chris was was there, and I'll get to you in a second. Go ahead, Chris.
[01:36:28] Unknown:
First of all, on the letter, if you opened it, we might put opened in error or we might not. We never know where letters go. But under their return address, we put in all caps RTS, which is the post office's code for return to sender and we put an arrow up to the return address. Then after that off to the right, we put UTS, three capital letters, which is the post office code for unable to forward. And that's all we do, but we make sure we get it back within seventy two hours.
[01:37:14] Unknown:
Joe? Thank you.
[01:37:15] Unknown:
That starts their process over, and they may send another letter. You just keep doing it. But as soon as we find out a name or whatever, we'll give them a little time. If they come back, then we send them the bomb.
[01:37:34] Unknown:
Do you have that package do you have that package like that as a file Chris that you're willing to share?
[01:37:42] Unknown:
Yes, it's well we use parts of it or all of it depending on how serious the situation is. But, the whole package goes into the entire history of the treaties and the land patent process. They have everything. We put all our evidence right on the table along with many Supreme Court cases. Okay. Well, this really raises an important question. Yeah, we have a broken in the 13 important documents and we call it the abundant due process notice document package.
[01:38:29] Unknown:
This brings up a question, Chris, you said earlier that Ron Gibson's materials were incomplete and complete and everybody in our listening audience that have tried Ron Gibson to get their property real estate off the tax rolls in their county haven't been has not been successful. Have you or somebody in your group been successful in doing that?
[01:38:53] Unknown:
We're working on that now. We want to be successful with that. And I understand there was somebody in Arizona that succeeded. I would like to know I would like to be able to find that find that case or
[01:39:06] Unknown:
find out who that was. I can I don't we never heard the case? We heard what happened. It was from a guy that was a regular participant here. You may have heard him years ago because he was a prolific caller into radio shows. His name is Chris Cave, and he was in Las Vegas. And the property that he told us he had gotten a loyalty old title to was in Northern Arizona, and that's all I know. And he went in a pissing match with them, and he won. And they had to pave his his remedy was for them to pave the road out to his property, which they did. But I can't give you any more directions than that.
[01:39:48] Unknown:
Yeah. That's that's well, that gives us something to start with. Somebody has to know something about it.
[01:39:54] Unknown:
Well, I do have another case that I knew I knew the guy. I don't have his contact information. He was a student of Al Attis. Have you ever heard me tell this story, Chris? I've heard about Al Attis, but I don't know about the story. Okay. Well, this guy was one of his students. He lived down in Oregon somewhere. Al used to complain that he lived in a cat box in Fort Worth, and the guy said, look. I've got a loyal title to my property. I'm building a cabin, and you're free to come out here and live in it. So Al moved. And he moved out there, and they finished the cabin up. And the, right at the end of the process, they put the gas water heater in themselves, and they must have done something wrong because the cabin caught on fire that night. I just come straight from the guy and straight from Al Attis. Okay?
And so the fire department came. The cabin was right next to the road on the property, and the fire engines came up. And they came down and said, we can't come on your property because you're not on the property rolls. And the cabin burned down. K? So I know that guy that did have a loyal title. Those are the only two examples that I've ever personally come in contact with.
[01:41:07] Unknown:
Yeah. I I remember you telling that story. Yeah. That's true. You will have no access to any of those subsidized, though. Right.
[01:41:16] Unknown:
And so here now that begs the question, if that's the same with the fire department, is there other agencies in town that you need to connect with? Because if you're gonna pull your property off the rolls and not have access to their services, I'm gonna suggest that you stroke them a check for about $500 a year at least every year. So now how much are the property taxes that you're trying to avoid that you need to go pay the fire department at least $500? So there's so there's some decisions in there.
[01:41:47] Unknown:
Well, okay. Can I say something, Roger? This is Sam here. You can, Sam. Yeah. To what you just said, from what I understand, and I could be wrong, they cannot come on your property because they're not insured. Because you're not on the property roll, they're yeah. So which is fine. You can do a suppression system, Make sure your house is insured. If it burns down, you collect the money. It is what it is.
[01:42:12] Unknown:
Okay. I'm just telling you the story the way it was told to me. Okay? And if I was gonna personally move to get my property off the property rolls, I'd find out whose services I needed and wanted and go stroke them a check. So is that amount of money balance out your property taxes and the reasons you're trying to get it off the property rolls?
[01:42:36] Unknown:
Yeah. So just a statement.
[01:42:40] Unknown:
Joe? Alright. Annette, is that you again, sweetie?
[01:42:44] Unknown:
Yeah. I was just asking for Joe. He was gonna say something.
[01:42:48] Unknown:
Joe, I'm trying to get to you, man. I'm sorry. We're in a round robin here today, Joe. You're gonna say something about the endorsements, I think.
[01:42:57] Unknown:
Well, I didn't catch all the conversation, but restrictive endorsements are addressed in the uniform commercial code under type, Negotiable instruments.
[01:43:13] Unknown:
Right.
[01:43:14] Unknown:
And if you Okay. If you go to the uniform commercial code, that will give you a good education about how, restrictive endorsements changes or adds to the terms of a negotiable instrument.
[01:43:29] Unknown:
There you go. Thank you, Joe. Thank you, Joe. Okay. Who else got something to add? Roger. Oh, yes, sir. Is that Bob?
[01:43:40] Unknown:
No. This is Thomas. Oh, hey, Thomas. Yeah. No. Years ago, I remember Alfred Adesk was talking with, I forgot her name, oh, Baron, Donna Baron or somebody, and they were talking about basically the promissory note and how you create the actual value of the note at the bank when you sign it. And she was very specific and she said what you've just signed is a unilaterally unrestricted document, which gives them the permission then to basically sell it off into the discount market. Yes. If you put restricted above your signature, you would that that would end that note right there. It would cease to be That turn that stops negotiable
[01:44:29] Unknown:
instrument. That stops the discounting.
[01:44:32] Unknown:
Well, stops it from being having any value because now they can't do anything more with it unless they get you Right. Permission because you just restricted your signature on it according to her. Okay. According to her. She was pretty sharp. Okay. Yeah. Okay.
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Never heard of her before but that didn't mean much.
[01:44:48] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Alfred had her on a lot. She was very she was she was a real she was a chemistry teacher or something and she had she had she figured a lot of stuff out. She was very
[01:44:58] Unknown:
Alright. Good deal. Somebody said Al's still doing shows. Is is he does anybody listen to him? American Freedom Radio or something?
[01:45:08] Unknown:
I tried chasing that down because I was gonna try to get a hold of and I went to American Freedom Radio, and I could not find him on any any, any List. Yeah. Programs. And I have his number. I used to I called him a couple of three times to ask him for advice and stuff over the years, and his number doesn't work anymore.
[01:45:26] Unknown:
So Yeah. He's living with Oh, no. He's living with one of his old listeners. I got an email from him telling me the background. I didn't he didn't say he was doing a radio show, and I just I tried to reach out to Al several times. He never responded, so I figured he wants to go stick his head in a hole somewhere for some reason. So, anyway Is that right? A lot of things that I have figured into that that really apply to what we do here, because several of the important ones came from mister Attiske. Is that Ferris?
[01:46:00] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. Ferris version two point o. That was American
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Voice
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Radio. Oh, okay. Alright. American Voice Radio. Well, okay. Good luck with Thomas.
[01:46:13] Unknown:
Yes. We should chase him down. We should try to chase him down. I just I mean, I I love that guy. I used to listen to him. Yeah. He's a great guy. I'm really I thought we had real good chemistry.
[01:46:22] Unknown:
I don't know where he went south on me, but he did. Yes. Who else is saying something there?
[01:46:28] Unknown:
Yeah. Roger, I'm trying to get in for a while now. Oh, Samuel. I wanted to get, yes, I wanted to get back to you. Yes, it's tough today. It's tough today, buddy. You're one liner for grabbing the people on the show, Russ Rance, regarding what your message is. And I think the best thing I can come up with is your message is about freedom versus slavery, and it's your political, your economic, and your spiritual freedom. Yeah. I think that would pull all of his audience in Well for a listen.
[01:47:03] Unknown:
Okay. Well, I'll see what word words God puts in my mouth tonight, Samuel. Mhmm.
[01:47:09] Unknown:
This is Chris. This is Chris from California. Yeah. Chris. On that note, Roger, would you tell us how we can access the show tonight?
[01:47:17] Unknown:
Well, yeah. I'll probably come right back in here if Paul's able to stream it. It rents his are you not familiar are you not familiar with Jeff Rents, Chris?
[01:47:28] Unknown:
I am familiar with him. Yeah. I've never
[01:47:30] Unknown:
Okay. What? That's what we have. Alright. Well, it's r e alright. His website, if you wanna listen direct, is rense.com. And it's a very, very busy website. Okay? But the the radio section is over on the left a little bit down from the top, and it'll say sometimes whose guest is. It links to another page. He's got his own radio network too. David Deaton over there, and he's got other people on over there. So but it's right there on the left, just down from the top, and you can go through listen live or listen here or whatever. He's got his own player embedded. You shouldn't have any problems. Just Julie.
[01:48:15] Unknown:
Yeah. It's rent radio. It's rentradio.com.
[01:48:19] Unknown:
Okay. Well, I think if you hit that button, it transfers you over to that.
[01:48:23] Unknown:
I I I went on rent, and I didn't get I went on rent. It didn't transfer me over. It came to some sort of,
[01:48:28] Unknown:
site that was not recognizable. So I just wanted to give you an FYI. He's got a he's got a listen live button on there. Somehow, it gets you over to a player. K? I've used it before, so I know that. What's the time? Your time, 06:00.
[01:48:44] Unknown:
Six o'clock, California. Okay. Yep.
[01:48:49] Unknown:
Yep. So, that's what's going on there. Who else has got so I wanna go back and hit this again because Roger, when I'm up, I don't know if you had a dial in number to listen. You can you can dial in and listen. I believe they got a way to listen digitally. When you and Sam were talking, Chris, both you and Sam said that you used registered mail. So let's go back and look at this again. For a couple of years, I used to work for Pitney Blows. It's Bose, but we affectionately call it Blows. And we knew more about postal regulations than the people at the post office.
We had to to go out and sell mailing machines. Okay? Registered mail is only, o n l y, only for things with intrinsic value, gold, silver, bear bonds, stocks, those kind of things. You have to go to all you pay extra and it takes longer. It's got the red label. And the reason that is that way is because everybody that touches it has to sign for it because it's supposedly got intrinsic value. If it stays at a post office overnight, it goes into a locked cage. Everybody it takes longer because everybody has to sign it. Okay? And it costs more. Use certified return receipt requested.
Just because it costs more and it's red, doesn't mean it's better unless it's got intrinsic value. Post office got a pretty good track of delivering stuff, folks, for the amount of mail that they handle.
[01:50:31] Unknown:
Okay? Yeah. I have a com I have a comment about that.
[01:50:34] Unknown:
Okay. Go ahead. When we use certified mail, often,
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we got the green card back without a signature,
[01:50:42] Unknown:
or we never even got the green card back. Uh-huh. You know Right. They're very sloppy. Very sloppy with certified mail. But they're not Well, you're saying that okay. Not Hold on, Chris. Because, you know, they they handle tens of millions of pieces of mail a day. That single slip of paper through all that processing, sometimes it gets lost. It goes in a magazine. It does something else. So Yep. That you could get it back. Hold on, please. It's not recognition that it wasn't received. You can go online and put that tracking number in, and it'll give you all the correct information. K?
I'm just saying. You don't need to do that. If you listen. If you want to spend more money and do all that stuff, you go do it. I'm just telling you the way the post office works. Okay?
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I understand.
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So I If I may.
[01:51:37] Unknown:
Yes, sir. Samuel.
[01:51:39] Unknown:
Yeah. Chris, I just wanna let you know that there we've had our guy by the name of Terry Leon after hours in the past, and he is making the claim that they have removed three properties in three different counties up in Washington State from the tax rolls. And I think Terry also knows a lot about signatures because he uses those. I'm not quite clear on what he's actually doing, but I think I know what I would do and I would change my signature for my common law stuff versus my statutory commercial world. But anyway, he's got a guy that I'm trying to get us to get more contact with to understand this process that they're using to do this.
[01:52:31] Unknown:
And if I could add if I could tag on to Samuel's comment, one thing Terry Lee did mention is he had a, what's that called, an inspector of a house look over his paperwork, and he says he told him, you need to keep doing it because but, basically, you don't wanna stop because, that that I forgot what he said. But, basically, whatever you're doing, keep doing it and don't stop is basically was the net symbol of it, a yield. Yes. And he is a contractor. So he's working
[01:53:06] Unknown:
in the very much the public, but he keeps it private, which is really the key to staying out of this commercial world the way I look at it.
[01:53:20] Unknown:
We do that too. We have special contracts that we use that specify that it's under the common law. According to law in California, people who hire you for services have the right to presume that you're a licensed contractor unless you let them know in writing upfront that you're not. And that's what we do.
[01:53:45] Unknown:
K. Well, we got a lot of folks that are attracted to our show here that have extensive, legal background like Chris, obviously, Mark, and some of you others. We really appreciate you. And, some of the ones that didn't have that knowledge are trying to quickly catch up.
[01:54:04] Unknown:
Roger, one of the reasons I couldn't find you after Joyce's show is I didn't get the information on how to find you. And it was Chris Cave when he got in trouble that I found out that you had a program, and that's when I got on.
[01:54:20] Unknown:
Okay. Well, I remember the first day you called. Sure do.
[01:54:24] Unknown:
Boy, I miss that guy right there. Y'all would have loved him if you didn't know who he was. Because we all certainly did. Do what? Is that you again, Chris? Guess not. Okay. Well, we're looking towards the end of the program. We got a couple of minutes left. Does anybody wanna add anything to today's brisk conversation or got something new you wanna bring up and you haven't been able to get it in? Now's a good time.
[01:54:58] Unknown:
K. Roger, I guess I guess the moral of that story is make sure that Rents posts your contact information so people can find you.
[01:55:06] Unknown:
Oh, don't worry. I'm sure we'll cover it. I'm gonna I'm gonna send him a copy of my book and let him put it up free for download, because we don't have a printed copy available now because of the assholes at the book patch, quite frankly.
[01:55:24] Unknown:
K? Yeah. I think I got my copy through. I re
[01:55:27] Unknown:
I refuse to work with them anymore. K? I gotta go find someplace new and get some of y'all who know what you're doing to get this thing uploaded and see if we can get it available again. And boy, does it piss me off. Did you? You know what really you know what really accumulated all this? Is the book Padgett found United Slaves of America. And all all of us wanted to make it available, but it get it. Get it. Do it too. And I could never get them to respond to any phone calls or emails. So I didn't ask them. I just gave Deborah, this girl that used to be a publisher in New York, the, credentials to get in and put it on my account, not knowing because I couldn't get any response from those assholes, that you can't put two different authors in the in the same, let's say, account.
And that screwed everything up. And it just got to be a nightmare, man. And I can't get this guy to return stuff. I'm asking him for an audit. He says the thing hadn't paid out since 02/2005, yet I know we've gotten royalty payments. Can we do an audit? He refuses to answer me. Yes, Bruce.
[01:56:35] Unknown:
Hey. Joe Olesica told us how to do a promissory note, with the stamps, and that would pay for your, fire department, to come protect your house.
[01:56:51] Unknown:
Okay. I'm just telling you, if you do a loyal title, stroke the people that you need. K? Just smart. Yeah. Alright? I don't know how you do it. Solve the problem. Yes.
[01:57:02] Unknown:
This This is Chris from California. We solved the problem. We have 40 solar panels, and we have our own fire truck and water tanks.
[01:57:11] Unknown:
Okay. Well, a lot of people can't do that, but I'm glad you solved it. Okay?
[01:57:17] Unknown:
Roger, did you, ever hear of Antelope Hill for publishing the book? Because they take a lot of banned books, and they that's kind of their mission, Antelope Hill.
[01:57:28] Unknown:
I don't even know who that is. I've never heard of them.
[01:57:32] Unknown:
Yeah. There are publisher of books, that might be a place to get it. When was the last edition of I don't know if you had made any changes to it. No. When was the last edition that you '2 about 02/2011.
[01:57:45] Unknown:
I don't we I haven't edited and made any changes because it's it's such a well, it's just a damn hell of a good book the way it is. And I haven't wrote written anything because I hate writing, quite frankly. So no. They they need that done, and I don't know who that is you're talk Angela Fields?
[01:58:06] Unknown:
Antelope Hill. Like a antelope animal and a hill. Uh-huh. Hill, h I l l. Yeah. A lot of historical books, very, banned books, etcetera.
[01:58:18] Unknown:
Okay. Do they do by the order? Because what I need is to print by the order. I think Amazon's got one that's associated with them, and I might have to go over and use that. So we're about out of time today, anyway. It's just a a frustration for me, you know, dealing with these people. Because when Victor Ostrovsky was alive, the place ran good. But he's dementia now, and these two people have taken over under his daughter getting control of him. And this one guy is just an absolute prick. He just will not answer any kind of questions. That's why I had a good listener.
I had to put out a call on the air to find a listener who lived there to follow a return address from Julie's order to even get the information I've got now. It's just ridiculous. I refuse to deal with them anymore. Yes. What do you got? See you later, doctor. I've heard
[01:59:14] Unknown:
I've heard about a dozen or so people, you know, authors
[01:59:18] Unknown:
put their books on Amazon, and they've been screwed royally. So I wouldn't do that. I would be Well, I'll I'll try and find someplace decent, but I ain't gonna work with the book patch anymore. They're just I think the people are I think this guy's stealing the money, quite frankly. You don't not answer questions and requests unless you got something to hide. Okay? So anyway, it's not enough money to go hire a law firm. It's just an absolute pain in the ass. And now you gotta stop everything you're doing and concentrate on this. When I don't even care about the money. You know, Roger, I just remembered,
[01:59:56] Unknown:
Hartford Van Dyke, he wrote a bunch of books, and I spoke to a guy somewhere. His wife, Evelyn, hooked me up with, and he was printing, Hartford's books for him in the end there. And Yeah. I'm gonna try and dig that number out. Well, this is a And this is a special time to deal with.
[02:00:22] Unknown:
Okay. Well, if he'll do print by the order, we'll we'd love to talk to him. K? So otherwise, if any of y'all know somebody that does that, somebody places an order, they print a book. Somebody placed an order for 50 books, they print 50 books and send them to them. Well, that's what we need. On demand. That's exactly what it is. Thank you.
[02:00:43] Unknown:
You're welcome. Alright. I'll see if I can move that up and get it to Paul.
[02:00:47] Unknown:
Alright. Be good, Dave. Thank you. Okay. Well, is
[02:00:51] Unknown:
So anyone else? Still there. Yeah. Chris, Chris. There. What was the name of his Discord channel? It sounded like Wise Stone, w I s e s t o n e. I think it was Dan.
[02:01:06] Unknown:
It wasn't Chris. It was Dan. Dan, are you still with us? Dan, up in Mass? You must have cut out. So I thought it was something. I don't I don't remember, Mark, but I know what you're talking about. WiseDome.
[02:01:23] Unknown:
WiseDome. I believe. Oh, with a d. So w
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I s d Like wisdom with an e.
[02:01:31] Unknown:
Oh, okay. Right.
[02:01:33] Unknown:
Wisdom without an e. Who gotcha? Yeah. Yeah. Without the e with the e on the end. Yeah.
[02:01:39] Unknown:
Yeah. Okay. Doesn't sound like wise dome, but
[02:01:43] Unknown:
Yeah. I I I think that's what it was, Mark.
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W
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I s d o m? E.
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I've got W I S E D 0 M or D 0 M E. There we go. Okay.
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Wise Dome. Alright. Thank you.
[02:02:02] Unknown:
Yeah. Like, for like, Samuel's freedom, d u m b. So alright. Who else has got something for me right now? Alright. Good conversive show today. And, thank you, all that contributed. Good to see you back, Sam. And I'll, see y'all tonight on Rents and tomorrow with Brent. Good luck. Blessings, Roger. Roger? Thank you. But I think they say break break a leg break a leg in show business. Yes, Julie.
[02:02:35] Unknown:
Yeah. Mark, it's Wysdome. I just got the text from Dan. It's w I, s as in Sam, e as in elephant, d as in dog, o, m as in mother, e as in elephant. That's the name of it. Okay. There you go.
[02:02:50] Unknown:
Thank you. Thank you, Julie. Alright. Okay, kiddos. See you tonight. And, break a leg on all that good stuff. I'm sure we'll do fine, and you may have some new folks around here tomorrow. They may be shocked if Brent's on there. But, anyway, that's what we'll hold, and we'll take it from there. And love each and every one of you. Ciao.
[02:03:14] Unknown:
Ciao.
[02:03:22] Unknown:
Julie. There it is. Hi. Yes. Hi.
[02:03:25] Unknown:
It's Samuel. Are you doing anything with high priestess treason?
[02:03:30] Unknown:
I'm reading it.
[02:03:33] Unknown:
Okay. I found the PDF.
[02:03:37] Unknown:
You did good.
[02:03:39] Unknown:
But it's a pay for kind of site that gives you, like, a few pages and shows you the content and stuff.
[02:03:48] Unknown:
But I think you have to pay I have I have the same site you had and have you have to borrow the book. I didn't wanna borrow it. Yeah.
[02:03:55] Unknown:
So what we need to do is figure out how to get it printed.
[02:03:59] Unknown:
Yes, I need to get it scanned into I'll get it scanned in. I just need to get it scanned in so I can just send it to you guys.
[02:04:07] Unknown:
Okay, cool. Wonderful. And what I'm really curious about is there any more detail on his nine steps that he has on Page 67 of his Fruits from a Poisonous Tree book.
[02:04:21] Unknown:
Okay. Let me look that up.
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Which is what I'm going to call the trust
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and the account they have for us and how we access it.
[02:04:32] Unknown:
Now there is a there are some sites out there that I found since we last spoke about turning your bills into bills of exchange where, but my, again, I'm going back to the same thing I went back to before, I don't think these people are sending these bills to the proper parties. So,
[02:04:56] Unknown:
Well, if you look at the first step that Stamper has of his nine steps, the first thing I think that's telling you is you need to have an affidavit at the Secretary of the United States disclaiming your citizenship as a fourteenth Amendment citizen. I think that's the first step. If you read if you read Stanford's book, you gotta understand he doesn't know about the term national status. But he expatriated out of those the lowercase c citizenship and back into the republic, and he sent his affidavits of facts to the secretary of the United States at the time, which I think was Madeleine Albright.
Have you noticed that step number one, what it says there? That you have to register with the secretary of of the secretary of state?
[02:05:54] Unknown:
Hold on here because I need to pull the book out that I have.
[02:05:59] Unknown:
I keep mentioning that to people and and and and and they don't seem to understand that what I think is actually happening there. I think that's what he's saying. In order to make the process work, you've got to be a national. I mean, that's what I get out of it. Tell me I'm wrong. Here, I'll read it out loud. Number one, your claim to being one of the people must appear on the public register, parentheses, the secretary of state.
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That's step number one. So that's telling me
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you have to be a national in order to have access to that account. And he called the insurance policy that covers your remedy is is house joint resolution 192. I know people want to argue about the well that's the resolution, but no, that's their insurance policy.
[02:07:24] Unknown:
What page are you on in magicians? It's a script from a poisonous tree. Right. And there's a chapter called Magicians. I think you're in that chapter. Right? Yes. I am. I'm on page 67. Okay. Sorry. Here.
[02:07:42] Unknown:
Hey, guys. Not to change the topic too much, but Judge Dale, you ever heard of Judge Dale?
[02:07:50] Unknown:
Yes. I think he's probably a quack, but
[02:07:53] Unknown:
Well, he there is on RBN, republicbroadcasting dot org, go to video, archives. Yeah. There is about a thirty minute, a twenty five or twenty six minute video of him. Well, it's I guess it's a woman speaking for him, but it's his words, all about the Seskeby Trust and how to access getting your needs met by the corporate government that had the coup
[02:08:35] Unknown:
and stole the gold. Can you repeat that again, please?
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Pardon me? The website? Yeah, please. It's republicbroadcasting.org and it's video archives. It's about halfway down, I think,
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on the site,
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on the front page, maybe, but it's Judge Dale. Dale, d a l e? I think it's d a l e. I haven't seen it, but my friend was playing it for me, on the phone today, while he was at the Hay auction and
[02:09:13] Unknown:
and so Dave, I've never been able to find anything out about him and I've I've also got his he's got a publication, a small book. I've got that. But I've never been able to find out if he's a real character or not.
[02:09:26] Unknown:
I think my friend said he retired in 2013, and I he didn't have much more information than that. But the information that I was listed, I didn't hear the whole thing. We both had to run, but, we're supposed to hook up today. So you can play that for me and show me exactly, you know, how I can tell Pam to get there on the website. But it's everything exactly what we've been taught about, you know, maritime, admiralty, water, you know, the gold being stolen and they have to meet our needs. But they don't tell us. Now what he what what I did hear them say was that when you get a statement, you know, a statement is just an accounting of of your of something that's already been paid. Right?
And you got it what you do is you write on your statement from your utility company, for instance, they said, that you accept it for value, you sign it, and you send it back. And then they said if you get it if you hear back from them, you know, when they question things, you tell them you want a true bill. You never get one. And it goes away because they are getting paid from the treasury. It's already paid.
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I've done it. It didn't work. He did that? Yeah. And he has a book regarding that. So Okay.
[02:10:54] Unknown:
Now what happened when you heard back from the utility?
[02:11:00] Unknown:
They wanted to turn me over to collections and come after me like they normally would.
[02:11:05] Unknown:
Okay. So why didn't they send you a true bill? They have to. They have to give you an accounting. Now, according to
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whatever we were listed to telling you that's as far as I took it.
[02:11:19] Unknown:
A couple of weeks ago, they said, no, you don't send it back to them. You send it to the Treasury. You know, you got to make that Z on it and right across the diagonal, you know, whatever. And I don't have those details, but, you send it to the Treasury and they discharge it. They have to have a provision. If they stole the money and you can't pay a debt with a debt, you know,
[02:11:42] Unknown:
they just Yeah. That's what's the other thing about this nine step process. I I trust him more than I do Dale. And Stamper's first step is basically you've got to be a in order to even begin to approach this, you've got to be a state citizen, I think. You can't be a federal subject.
[02:12:03] Unknown:
Okay.
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And he's saying that you're mentioning joint resolution 192 because it's he says 192 on 06/05/1933 is their policy to ensure they are not convicted of treason. Well, there you go. They know what they did, yet you can't take it to court because this is your remedy, because they'll throw it out in court because you didn't take this remedy because they gave it to you. So you don't have any standing when you bring a suit against this thing.
[02:12:43] Unknown:
Right. But they won't honor the remedy, is that what you're saying?
[02:12:48] Unknown:
Well, they didn't do it Judge Dale's way is what I'm saying. What Stanford is doing here is a bit more complex, yet I think there's detail missing and I was hoping that would be in his first book, which is not being published anymore and Julie bought a copy of High Priestess Treason. It's like maybe I thought there might be a little bit more detail onto what he's speaking about in these nine steps in the book. But I could just be a dolt and not getting the whole thing myself. So, you know.
[02:13:23] Unknown:
If you, if you look at page if you look at number six on page 67 in Mel Stanford's book, it says you must transmit your instrument back into the public through an agent, your registered debtor. And
[02:13:37] Unknown:
so I'm not sure who that is. Yeah. What the hell does that mean?
[02:13:41] Unknown:
Because no. Can I tell you something? If you look at I researched before. You are the debtor and you are the creditor of your SESP KB trust. So I'm trying to figure out where who do you send that back to? The Treasury? The IMF? The, I just haven't I think that's why these things are getting rejected.
[02:14:03] Unknown:
Well, your registered
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debtor may well be your uppercase name if you know Stanford. It is. It is. It's your straw man. It's your straw man.
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So, you know, that that's for voting and Roger Scholl, but,
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but that was on But that was on But that was on But that was on but that was on But that was on But that was on But that was on But that was on But that was on But that was on But that was on But that was on But that was on But that was on But that was on But that
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well, actually, to get this, you're probably gonna have to do the whole book.
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But I am.
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But if you if you start with Magicians, you get a good feeling for Stamper's whole deal here. And he starts out with his affidavit to the Secretary of State. That's the beginning of the book, just so you know that. And that's what he's saying is your first step here in this. You claim of being one of the people must appear on the public register, the Secretary of State.
[02:15:07] Unknown:
Anyway.
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Just thinking that this is where
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Yeah. This is
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Listen here as an instrument, you used old checks that you may have laying around even if they had a comma closed, that's what you're using to do the movement of this instrument.
[02:15:29] Unknown:
But I don't know what I've learned so far, and this is not just through the book, but just through research is that you take the payment coupon and you write accepted at the top. Under accepted, you write for deposit. And then on the bottom left, you put pay to the order of bearer or pay to bearer and you could you can put the name. In the middle, you write the amount in word form and on the back of it, you write your name by, you know, your your lowercase name and you put four, your all caps name and under and underneath that you put without recourse. But I haven't tried any of this stuff because the people I've spoken to have had their stuff sent back.
[02:16:21] Unknown:
Okay.
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So I'm trying to figure out where to send this and I'm reading the Federal Reserve section 16 right now, and trying to figure out how to test this out. But I'm Can you hear me through it? Reading I need to finish reading Fruit of a Poisonous Tree, and I'm going to look in the, Priests of High Trees and to see if there's anything in there regarding that, but I didn't see it. It was more talking about the IRS and John Benson and how Mel Stanford came across all of this. Thank you, Bill Benson not adhering to the IRS.
[02:17:09] Unknown:
Julius, if I may. I sent you the UCC one, the PDF, it's 12 pages with the court case. And this was a mortgage matter, but it's the same principle I believe. And on the basically someone who had archived the work that the Floridian folks had done with that case where they forensically went into the case how the mortgage got dismissed and the foreclosure went away. And so it's 12 pages. You can see the court. I haven't gone on to the online, if I could find that in Florida, but the stamps look legit. And I think that they say right on the e mail that I sent to you, they say right on that this is the only UCC-one they've ever seen work and they named all caps name as the debtor as well as the hospital birth as the debtor.
And so that that's but I did locate that actual physical PDF and I emailed it to you how you Thank you very much for sending that. I'll have to look at it this weekend for sure. And I don't know if that's what Stanford is referring to when he says you must name the debt debt or like I don't know with Stanford when he wrote that book if UCC I believe it probably was there, UCC existed. So and there's hundreds if not millions of UCC statements issued every day I guess.
[02:18:49] Unknown:
Yeah. There's
[02:18:52] Unknown:
a there's a there's a whole chapter in this book on the high priest of treason. Chapter 10, the title is Judges Lie, l I e. I yield. Sorry, Sherry.
[02:19:06] Unknown:
Oh, no. That's okay because that's a good intro into what I was gonna speak about. Are you all familiar with the office of the solicitor general? And I'll tell you when I became familiar with it, it was after 09:11. And then at that time, the solicitor general's wife was on the plane that left Boston. And, you know, she supposedly died. I really don't know what happened that day or not, but that's when I found out that that office existed. Now the solicitor general is the one who knows law, common law, foreign law, the authority of The U. S.
And, represents The U. S. Before the supreme court. So there's a letter that, was issued on 02/25 this year, because senator Grassley asked if Trump had the authority to remove administrative law judges. And she said yes. That they are no longer defending defending ALJs in multilayer removal process. That it's unconstitutional. I find that quite interesting. And since all your state, county, and city of courts are administrative law judges under the federal franchise, it would apply to them as well. I yield.
[02:20:52] Unknown:
Hey, Jane.
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Does anybody have does anybody have Kristen's email from California?
[02:21:03] Unknown:
Roger does is my understanding. It's what I heard today.
[02:21:10] Unknown:
My email is [email protected]. Well, thank you, Chris. I didn't know you were on here still. I was listening. I'm getting ready to go somewhere, but I kept it on. Very interesting. So just [email protected]?
[02:21:29] Unknown:
That's correct. Thank you so much. Sure. We learned a lot from you, Chris. Thank you for sharing all that information. Glad to help. And I'm glad you have a fire truck truck on your premises. I mean, God bless you for that because that's how we have we got It used to be the fire truck that was owned and used by Santa Barbara. Yeah. Are those of you guys who, you know, might be saying stuff like, well, I could never afford that or whatever. There's a lot of ways you can get things that are literally like one tenth of the price of the original price that original price that work just as good. Like, you can literally go to, Home Depot and Lowe's and ask them for their rental tools department.
A lot of times, they'll sell those rent tools that they rent out, like, aeration machines for your lawn. For you'd be shocked at how much my friend bought one and these things were like $10,000 plus and got it for like $200 and split it, with two neighbors. And so, you know, they both use it, I think maybe four neighbors. I think they only paid like $50 each. And now they, you know, don't have to pay a lawn person to come and aerate their lawn. So there's a lot of ways to get things. And like like Chris just said, you can buy some of these things that are have been in service that worked perfectly well, but they've been replaced by new items. Hi, Yield.
[02:22:59] Unknown:
Yeah, I'll comment on that. This particular fire engine, We got it from a guy down in Fallbrook and he used it in parades for many years and it started right up. It's an excellent condition. I'll be going down there and getting it soon and driving at home. Also today, I'm going and I only paid $1,200 for it by the way. So we got it on Facebook marketplace. You find some great deals there. It's incredible. Today, we're going to get a sawmill from Hemet and to use out at our farm to make our own lumber. And, that's only give me $750 for this all. I don't know what's up.
So, you know, you never know what you're gonna find. We're also connected with a nonprofit organization. So sometimes we get things just donated.
[02:23:50] Unknown:
Wow. Hey Chris, I have a question for you. Yeah. I didn't know about all this stuff until recently. So I probably already got screwed by my county. But if a county has an easement on your land for a walkway and your trees are sticking out on that easement, do they have the right to tell you, you have to cut them back?
[02:24:20] Unknown:
Well, I would think that would be up to them if they want to cut them back and I think they could because if they have a recorded easement, it would be some maintenance, it would be a form of maintenance for the easement. But, I don't think you would have to cut them back. But if a limb fell on somebody, you know, you might be liable.
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Okay. Thank you. Thank you.
[02:24:45] Unknown:
Hello. Hello, Chris. Could you please give email again?
[02:24:51] Unknown:
Your email again, please? Email again. Okay. It's media,media,xmen,men,@gmail.com.
[02:25:05] Unknown:
Media, m e g I a?
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Let me d I a. M e d I a. Media. Okay. Media. Okay. Media.
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X
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men, like the movie X Men. Oh, media X Men. Alright. Yeah. We're legal X Men.
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Alright. Thank you.
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@gmail.com.
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At g mail dot com. Oh, okay. Sure.
[02:25:41] Unknown:
Yeah. We we are known as paper terrorists.
[02:25:47] Unknown:
Julie, I was wondering how many of these people said they got their instruments returned, our nationals.
[02:25:59] Unknown:
I don't have a, I don't have account for that.
[02:26:03] Unknown:
Probably none.
[02:26:07] Unknown:
No. Meaning, they are you talking about the ones that tried to pay their, turn their bills or statements into bills of exchanges? Because I do know that I just don't have a number that, they got bills back saying They were not paid with past due balances on the new one.
[02:26:32] Unknown:
Well, if I'm right about what Stanford is saying, I guess is my point is that's like the first step is you have to
[02:26:41] Unknown:
recognize with the Secretary of State. Yes, I get it. One of the people, yes.
[02:26:48] Unknown:
That's just a feeling that I have about the whole thing. If somebody if more of us read that section in Stamper's book, there's quite a bit of detail there. I really don't understand all of the legal terminology that he's used in etcetera.
[02:27:09] Unknown:
Yes. He cares about loans and banking
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and that stuff is like
[02:27:16] Unknown:
Yes. Well, it says on here that you have to have an account with the banker for The United States. So which banker is that? It's the Secretary of Treasury. So I think your account there is your all caps name. Right?
[02:27:31] Unknown:
Yeah. I think so. I
[02:27:33] Unknown:
And then it says you must have given notice on your reservation of routing numbers through the National Debt
[02:27:46] Unknown:
And on page 68, he says the charging party is instructed to mail the discharge instrument to the secretary of transportation. I think it's Title 46 has sufficient evidence to support that, the proposition that the Secretary is the trustee over all vessels mortgaged by The United States.
[02:28:10] Unknown:
It says some. Some or all.
[02:28:12] Unknown:
Some or all vessels mortgaged by The United States. Yes. If you're a debtor person and he he's writing that in upper case. Yep. So, you know.
[02:28:22] Unknown:
Well, that's interesting. So again, Secretary of Transportation. Wow.
[02:28:27] Unknown:
Yeah. It is presumed to regulated by the Secretary of Transformation through the Maritime Industry Administration. That is the proper party to assist in processing the non cash item. The Secretary of Transportation can forward the item to the Secretary of the Treasurer, who already has been notified to prepare the non cash activity in your TreasuryDirect account on the bill of exchange. Now I'm not saying that just because I read that I understand it. That's
[02:29:00] Unknown:
why I want more people to stick their nose in there. Yeah. But look at look at paragraph look at paragraph three. It says The United States and its co business partners are debtors to you. You are the creditor, not only over your debtor. This is what I was trying to tell you guys before. On the left side of the t account for the accounting ledger, that's your all caps name, and you're the debtor, but you're also the creditor. You are the primary creditor on the right hand side. That's your labor. So if The United States has other creditors like the international bankers, they cannot jump to the front of the line. Their claims are subordinated to your claims if your claims are registered and if you understand the law surrounding what you are doing. This is not detailed in high priests of treason, I don't think, but I need I need the weekend to read this stuff. This is incredible.
[02:29:57] Unknown:
Cool. I'm glad you're on it because I think you understand the subject better than I do. I always knew it was there, and I've asked people like Joe to look into it and stuff, but I never really had Joe get back to me on it in any kind of detail as well to
[02:30:13] Unknown:
see if we could understand this better. And I, you know, I I think, I think Joe is is busy. I am gonna be taking one of his classes tonight, so I'll have to relisten to the replay with Roger.
[02:30:29] Unknown:
And
[02:30:32] Unknown:
Anybody here can anybody hear me?
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Yep.
[02:30:37] Unknown:
Hey. This is
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I got I got something that if if you can hear me and and and I'm there's no interference or anything. Hey. This is Rich in Huntsville.
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I hear
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this out, and hopefully my dog is not going to get in the way. Some seems to get jealous whenever I I start talking. But, I had an insurance company that I was paying for regular homeowners insurance. But here a couple of years ago, things got so bad, I couldn't afford it anymore. So I made a I worked out a deal with with my homeowners insurance people, And what I did was I started to pay instead of coverage for the house, I just paid coverage for the contents within the house, which basically they offered me renters insurance. So I did that, I I did that. I paid every month renter's insurance and my, my vehicle my vehicle insurance was also a part of that.
And the strange thing was when the when I got the, county tax, My county tax was all of a sudden skyrocketed to like $1,200 a year, which normally was just $600 a year. So
[02:32:49] Unknown:
I'm wondering
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if the Feds have anything to do with or the taxing authorities have anything to do with this, it's like they've intervened or something because when I got that 11 or 12 oh, I think it was 11 or $1,200 for the property tax, I contacted them and I told them I own the house. I just couldn't afford to pay for the structure. I just wanna pay for the the the contents of the inside of the house. So when I told them that, they re they redid my taxes, my property taxes, and then lowered them back down to $600 a year. So, does anybody does anybody know what
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what might have happened with,
[02:34:02] Unknown:
with paying property tax and have an insurance that doesn't pay for the structure of the house, just pays, renter's insurance?
[02:34:20] Unknown:
This is my feeling about it is that you probably could have made any complaint about not being able to afford the increase. And it's up to them if they want to lower it or not. That's the way it is here. Like say, if I went in right now and I said, listen, this is going too high. I don't know how you can justify it based on what this really is that is owned by me, etcetera, how you can value it at this amount, etcetera. And a lot of times, they will adjust it down. So it might have been just because you squeaked, you got oiled.
[02:35:02] Unknown:
That's And there is there is kind of field process for assessments.
[02:35:07] Unknown:
You can go ahead and appeal the assessment. Is Dave in the phone there?
[02:35:13] Unknown:
Well, hold on. May I put a thought in about this subject? And it's, they they probably slapped an insurance policy on it because, you know, it is their property. And since you didn't insure it, they were going to. I yield.
[02:35:36] Unknown:
Dave Dave in the thumb?
[02:35:42] Unknown:
Hey. What's up, Scott? What's up, Scott? I the only the only archive I could find on The Republic was shocking confessions of retired judge Dale are our lives alive. That's it. Yep. That's the one. Okay. So everybody, it's in the chat. I yield.
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Thank you.
[02:36:03] Unknown:
Yes. Thank you, Sketch.
[02:36:06] Unknown:
You may wanna play it. It's only, like, twenty five minutes or something. Well, I I think we'd have to defer to mister Baldridge of the being earnest, to do that. And I don't know if, Sheldon's still on, but or or, Samuel, didn't last time that Terry Lee came on, he said he was developing a website. Do we know that it's online now? Anybody?
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I yield.
[02:36:39] Unknown:
I haven't heard anything.
[02:36:41] Unknown:
Sheldon is the real contact in all this. I didn't listen to the last time he was on, unfortunately.
[02:36:53] Unknown:
Hi, Yield.
[02:36:57] Unknown:
This is, Paul from Kentucky. Is the gentleman still on who was talking about the homeowners renter's insurance?
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Yes.
[02:37:17] Unknown:
Yes.
[02:37:19] Unknown:
Okay. I'm not sure. I'm not an expert. I'm not even in the insurance industry. I did have, a good friend who requested lower rates and, on his automobile. And they he he has what's considered a commercial vehicle, and he uses it for his business and, to transport equipment. And, he was in an accident. Actually, he he didn't hit anybody. His vehicle popped out of gear and hit a hit a pole. And he had full coverage, and and he tried to turn it in. And the insurance company denied him, And he you know, they said he should have known to have commercial insurance.
And now he does, but that was their segue out of it. And so I was just as a suggestion, you know, encouraging you to throw caution to the wind that generally renters insurance is for renters, not homeowners. You may be perfectly within your your, liability there, but I just I'd hate to see something happen to your home and property, and then your insurance company come back and say, well, you know, we can only sell renters insurance to renters or if you have renters insurance and you own a home, you have to carry homeowners in addition to and then not pay out at all. Because in my personal opinion from my experience, rarely do I find an insurance company that is eager to pay a a claim. Usually, they they kick and scream. So again, that's not a guaranteed thing. I just wanted to make a suggestion and I yield.
[02:39:29] Unknown:
Thank you.
[02:39:32] Unknown:
Can somebody elaborate on the comment when Roger was on about the signature that you're using, I mean, I know I will use the C1.08, but the restricted signature that you put restricted on there is my question.
[02:40:03] Unknown:
Can you hear me? Yep. Yeah, I don't know. He was talking about what's called restrictive endorsement. And so I've always heard that if you're pulled over by a police officer, you get the police officer's name, you get the police officer's badge number, you tell the police officer that you're not, you're not driving or conducting a commercial activity. You're traveling. And when you get the ticket, you tell the police officer you're signing it under duress and you record it on your phone. And you just you don't sign it, you autograph it. You put by colon your first name dash middle name colon your last name.
You put UCC one-three zero eight and underneath that you put all rights reserved without prejudice under duress. And you make sure that you sign you you use blue ink. Make sure that some of that blue ink bleeds on to some of the traffic ticket printed information so they can't redact it. That's what I've heard. I yield.
[02:41:21] Unknown:
I know he said something separate under respect, he signed it restricted, I've never heard that before. That was kind of weird and that's why I had the question.
[02:41:36] Unknown:
Well, I don't know if what I've mentioned is an actual restrictive endorsement or not. Sherry would probably know that better than I. I know that an example of a restrictive endorsement would be when you write something like for deposit only. I'm not sure if what I described is a restrictive endorsement or not. Somebody else would probably know.
[02:42:00] Unknown:
Then going back on to the signing of the check or signing of the statement that you're sent by the corporation, The UCC-one, you have to get the FedStop information that he got through the UCC-one and the UCC-three is how you gain that self information.
[02:42:35] Unknown:
I'm just saying it's very rare that you have to sign a a traffic ticket these days on the side of the road. I know in Arkansas, you do not.
[02:42:46] Unknown:
And I agree with you,
[02:42:55] Unknown:
I was
[02:42:56] Unknown:
wondering how you make sure that the blue ink bleeds on to the rest of the ticket.
[02:43:05] Unknown:
You just use the blue ink and you run it over onto the ink. You just write over where the printed stuff is, Sketch.
[02:43:14] Unknown:
Yeah. And that was Dave. Hey. I would just say, you know, x through the top part of it. I yield.
[02:43:24] Unknown:
Yeah. I don't think you assign anything in Idaho and Washington and across, at the side side of the road. I think they just give it to you and you can choose to, to do with the instrument what you're going to do. Conditionally accepted upon proof of territorial jurisdiction because basically this federal imprint is just there are really no circuit courts, they're called circuit courts, but they're all federal. And you can walk into a court and challenge them right there. They're not they can't proceed because their jurisdiction is your is different from your status, I yield.
[02:44:06] Unknown:
I was always told, if you receive a ticket, it's a contract and you can ride at a 45 degree angle in Red Ink. You have a seventy two hour right to rescission on any contract, and you ride across there in Red Ink. I do not wish to, enter into this contract. And I've heard that works. I've never tried it, but I've heard that works. I yield.
[02:44:41] Unknown:
Refused for cause without dishonor, without recourse to me.
[02:45:37] Unknown:
Yes, the latest one that I was learning about was the fact that actually everybody's conscripted into the military rule by this citizenship, by this federal citizenship to conscription and post offices and courthouses are basically flying the flag of conscription. That is a really good way to look at it. So if you prove your status as a man on the articles of Confederation land, can actually bring war crimes, charges against these if they proceed once they know that. According to The Hague, that's awesome because they're trespassing on the law of nations when they pursue you if they and you've warned them and they continue.
That is awesome. I don't know if anybody's ever heard of Chappie, but he had a show and he had Boris on there and they were Boris and Jimbo were talking about that and they break it down.
[02:46:59] Unknown:
What was that, that was referring to? What book or what book was that referring to?
[02:47:11] Unknown:
I was referring to a rumble video on one of the channels. It might be law of course, but the title of it was Militia to Opposed Kearny? And it was Chappie.
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Wouldn't the League of Nations well, not a correction, not League of Nations. The law of nations from the, what, I guess, seventeen or eighteen hundreds, wouldn't that be considered the possibly modern day United Nations? So in other words, is the is The Hague or the Hyg, however you wanna say it, for international war crimes trials, and things like that, isn't that part of the United Nations? And isn't the law of nations maybe a offs offspring of, or should I say, what do you call it, predecessor or, prior to, the law of nations?
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No. The law of nations came into effect in the 1750s, I believe. And, be careful whom you go seek help from read their, declaration of human rights. Because the last one says, well, you know, we can do away with all of the above if it's in the interest of the good of the oh, I can't remember what it says, but they can be dispensed with subjectively.
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Are you?
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Well, it's kinda like reporting somebody to the bar, like, doing a bar complaint. I did a bar complaint, and the the lawyer went away that was trying to collect. So you're kinda like going to that Hague because of your, for lack of a better word, indigenous status as a national to defend against an encroaching international player, which is the District of Criminals federal player.
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I have something that I'd like to change the subject on. So Mark was saying today that as a national or a non resident alien that you are subject to taxes on dividends paid by a corporation that you individually invest in. But it says right here that the Treasury Department considers this is Treasury decision 2,313 that Nancy brought up. The Treasury decision 2,313 was issued in 1916 and it, it says the Treasury Department identified a New York resident as being a nonresident alien, therefore was not exempt from any withholding of taxes from dividends paid by a domestic corporation chartered by the federal government.
However, pursuant to this decision, the Treasury Department considers citizens of all states as nonresident aliens for all purposes of the code. That being the case, a corporation chartered in a state is foreign. It's not domestic. So it's like only non federally chartered corporations can be domestic. And so when you argue this position, anything that's done in a state is done foreign to The United States. So I don't know. I might challenge that and say that if you invest in a corporation like Microsoft with headquarters in Seattle, that's a foreign corporation. That's not a domestic corporation. So if you get dividends, you don't need to pay taxes on them. Does anybody have anything to say?
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If I may,
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every state that came into the union after 1860, I believe, or 1961 after the Congress, went signed I, none of them are states, they're just incorporations. And they were incorporated by the the the incorporated federal government. I believe the act of 1871 or something like that. So Right. So you're saying how to deal with that. Okay.
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I get it. So you're talking about the act of 1871 that made The United States a corporation and then all of the other states came in. But that doesn't that doesn't make any sense because I'm reading from the high priest of treason. This book was published in 1994.
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So very interesting.
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Well, remember, you don't know what you don't know. And he may not have known that, but in when when the congress, you know, closed without a reconvene date, there was no more congress. And then everything they did after that, there was no quorum. And they did it as a corporation, not as a government.
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Right. So none of the states that came in
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after that date, you know, March 9 or whatever, 1861, I believe, none of those states are actual states like the ones before that.
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You know, the Well, that's true and not I mean, I get what you're saying there, but all the states were entered under the original 13, So that never went away. The articles of Confederation never really went away. And the original 13, all the additional states in perpetuity were supposed to be brought into the union in the same with the same organic law. But you are correct that there was a layer of this kept they kept putting this military rule on, so we have to take that into account.
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I mean, this person, this Melvin Melvin Stamper in high priest of treason is arguing that anything done in a state is foreign to The United States. So the term alien must apply to you as a sovereign citizen. I don't like that term, but he's using sovereign citizen as you do not fit the special definition of a resident as described by the fourteenth amendment.
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Correct. There's two statuses. Right? There's two. There's a dual citizenship, and that's what Stanford is getting at.
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Right. But the thing is is that it this kind of like defies what we did because he basically is saying on here that the sovereign does not live within the political confines and jurisdiction of The United States. He is in fact a nonresident alien of The United States by the Secretary of the Treasurer's own definition.
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True. So you have to get into your head what is The United States. It's just a it's just like a framework put over the states. That's why conditionally accepted upon proof of territorial jurisdiction. And once you like Samuel was saying earlier and what Roger says, once you notify the Secretary of State of The United States of your status, then you're not subject, you're without The United States. So the confusion is they call things the same thing. The United States is The United States. McDonald's is McDonald's, you know. So, George Mason, small letters is the same as George Mason, all caps.
That's the confusion.
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Yeah. I think this book is very confusing also because some of the stuff they describe in here regarding you have to pay taxes upon income received from trade or business and they don't point out that the definition of a trade or a business is one who performs the functions of a federal office. So anyway, I don't know. I think some of this book that Melvin Stamper has written could be maybe perhaps incorrect. I'm not sure.
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And then we have to take into effect the bankruptcy of '33.
[02:57:51] Unknown:
Yep. But this book was written in 1994, so I'm thinking that some of this stuff is not correct in here.
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Does he reference the bankruptcy?
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Not yet on the pages I'm on because I'm just in towards the beginning of the book right now.
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Samuel, you on here?
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I do think he does reference it in here or he has a chapter on it.
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Okay.
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Yeah. He even references Bill Benson's book, with Red Beckman called The Law That Never Was.
[02:58:43] Unknown:
Oh, yeah.
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I mean, it was, this is just so evil. The Federal Reserve was unconstitutional. The administrators of the system were to be appointed directly by the President, giving the Congress no say in its construction. Yes, it's all the first part of the book all talks about the Jekyll Island meeting with, Forbes, the founder of Forbes Magazine and all these people in Congress and these banksters, JPMorgan, who owned Jekyll Island, where they met.
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Here's a hello. This is Jerry. Here's the New Mexico the New Mexico, constitution of the state of New Mexico. And in section three, it reads article one, section three, it reads the right of self government. The people of the state of New Mexico have the sole and exclusive right to govern themselves as a free, sovereign, and independent state. And that's in our, New Mexico constitution. So if you look every state up constitution, it has something to that effect written into it. And our New Mexico didn't become a state until 1912. And and you're right because as part of the federal corporation or the corporation where I live in Eddy County, it was a Christian Eddy County in 1885.
And then in 1895, they became a municipal corporation under the United States corporation. But New Mexico didn't become a state until 1912. So it was already a corporation before it even became a state. And you can go back and look at every county, what they were called before they became a corporation under the I think it's the twenty eight three thousand two fifteen a under the United States Federal Corporation. I don't know if that made any sense. I'm done. But I think in every constitution, in every state, because every state has a constitution of itself, and ours has that written into it. Article one, section three, self of right of self government to govern themselves as a free, sovereign, and independent state.
Smallest state, not capitalist.
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Yes. And that latest one I was listening to, they were talking about just going into court saying quoting one thing from the one section from the Constitution up to get the actual section right at the beginning of the case and the case just gets closed because it's like that framework I talked about that they put in and they got everybody fooled that they're they want to be a citizen, they want to be a U. S. Citizen. So but there's no way they could just replace the rest of what the founders did unless they do it by brainwashing, which, of course, they do a pretty good job because then you have a bunch of mindless jellyfish training their children to be jellyfish.
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Alright. Well, seeing as nobody's talking, things have pretty much run their course, whatever. I am gonna take the stream down. Thank you so much for joining us for the Radio Ranch with Rogers sales, the Thursday edition. Please stay tuned to Global Voice Radio Network for Paul English live at 3PM eastern today. And, also, 9PM eastern, Global Voice Network will be streaming the Jeff Rentz radio program. It should be a barn burner. Should be lots of fun. Should should be one of, Roger's best interviews. I'm hoping he's been preparing long enough. Catch us here Monday through Saturday, 11AM to 1PM eastern, and, you can also, check out the matrixdocs.com for the backstory on the topics discussed, downloadable resources, interviews, all kinds of fun things, as well as the free conference call link so you can join us live on the show.
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Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.
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Well, there you go. Well, we would too. We might help a little bit here. Very special day. We never know until the day's over and then subsequent days what the results may be. But, anyway, that's what we try and do. We try and do it here on a six day a week basis, of course. Roger Sales, your host at the Radio Ranch, and today is March. March is just full of goodies, for me personally. And, of course, Sunday as of Sunday, the ninth, we will have been in Babylonian captivity for ninety two years. Well, that's really so that's a mouthful right there. K? And if you don't think it's Babylonian captivity, well, guess what? You just don't understand because that's what it is.
So Yes. Okay. Well, we're with a number of other folks that help us extend our reach, And, we always are grateful to them for their contribution and cooperation. And Paul is the one that goes over them, gives them all the proper credit. Probably, we probably can't give them enough credit, but Paul tries to here at this stage of the program. Paul, if you would, please.
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At this stage of the game, actually, we're, we're only on radiosoapbox.com, where people will also be able to tune in to Paul English Live at 3PM Eastern today, radiosoapbox.com. Or you can find the links at paulenglishlive.com. We're also on eurofolkradio.com. Thanks to pastor Eli James, and we're on Global Voice Radio Network. Our website is thematrixdocs.com. And, the matrix docs, you can find links to free conference call, join us live on a show, or the Eurofoker Global Voice links. Tonight, we're looking forward to our very own Raj being on Rance.
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First time.
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First time. How are you gonna con. You just go up there. I'm gonna try and and grab it and stream. Cast it. I'm gonna try it. Yeah. I'm gonna try to. And, Shouldn't have any problem. I just I just can't wait to, to have AI, spin out a transcript for that. Yeah. That would be fun. Yeah. And,
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yeah, and we can you can stick that in, and record it and stick it on Sunday this this week or next week, I guess, technically. Put it in there on the ninth or whatever. I'd love to have our own recording. I know you can access Rents' shows. Mer's got a Mer. Remember y'all remember Mer? Mer's got a site where she can go over there and they post all the previous shows, so you probably get it out of there too. But, man, it's just very exciting for me today. And and, of course, many it's funny. I went around Tuesday and, here because my friend, Walt, the internationally known trumpet player, jazz trumpet player, he's doing a show tonight on all Frank Sinatra stuff.
He he was sent around the world on a world tour by the state department. He was nominated and given the title ambassador of jazz and, did a worldwide tour on, Louis Armstrong, I believe. Uh-huh. And and, you know, imitating kinda has that imitation stuff, and he was it's very interesting. He told me he was in Serbia. Yeah. Elgrade doing a concert.
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And, where's all that noise coming from? Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. We got chop chop in the house or what? Yeah. We got chop chop and going in the house. Here we go. Participants are muted and they can unmute themselves.
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See you chop chop. So, anyway, he was at the embassy in Belgrade. And, he said, you know, when you walk into the embassy and you see there's a wall, of course, when you walk in a desk and all that. And behind it is all the pressing officers of the government, you know, and it was Bush and, I think let's see. Yeah. Bush and and Cheney and some of the others. And so he's sitting there looking at the pictures, and the ambassador walks up behind him and says, these son of a bitches are about to do something that's gonna change the whole future of the world. Three days later, it was 09:11.
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Wow.
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So, anyway, interestingly enough, Walt's given a concert tonight up in Quito, and I can't go. I would have planned to. He's a a good friend and damn good trumpet player. And, he used to write all the scores for America's Got Talent. He's also a writer and and, yeah, composer and, quite a guy. And, anyway, I can't go tonight because, all of a sudden, Jeff Rentz, comes along and invites me to spend an hour with him. Of course, I love Walt, but I'm gonna do this show, of course. And Tuesday, when I was at lunch and I was asking some of the folks there, nobody had ever heard of Jeff Rentz.
I asked about five or six people. I was really shocked. Okay? Except Walt. I called Walt last night. Pardon me? Don't tell Jeff that. If he's been on the air for thirty years and nobody knows him, don't tell him. Well, it shows you a little bit about our Patriot community here. Some of them are off on the fringe. You know? But, excuse me. Anyway, when I called Walt last night, I wasn't telling him I was gonna be there, but I had this, come up. And I said, you know Jeff Rinses, don't you? He goes, oh, yeah, man. That's a huge show. So Walt knew. So, but it was kinda interesting. And Jeff hadn't penetrated everything yet, but he has worked very diligently, consistently, three hours a night. I'm sure he plays replays occasionally, but, all these years, thirty something years, I remember listening to him back in the nineties.
He was one of the first aggregators on the Internet. You know what I mean by an aggregator, Paul? Somebody that goes out and gets all the different news stories and compiles them, from whatever source derived. Used a little IRS lingo there, and compiles them on his website. It's an excellent website. He's got he's had over the years so many important people on his show. He's really a trend breaker, and that's what excites me about what we're doing. I think his audience fits the definition of truth seekers. And he's got an audience of truth seekers. Alright? And and he's cutting edge. And I was sitting there thinking yesterday, well, damn, the first time I ever heard about Savitize the V was on Jeff Rents' show with a guy named Barry Chalmers, a Jew, that had pointed the finger and exposed all this. I'd never heard about that before.
I don't know if it hardly anybody ever had. I I think back in Cliff High, I I listened to I heard Cliff High for the first time on Jeff. Jeff's the guy that broke Cliff High and a lot of these other things. He's just a cutting edge kinda guy. And, so I'm very thrilled to get on there tonight. I believe his audience will be be be very high percentage uptake on our information because they're truth seekers. If they weren't truth seekers, they wouldn't be listening to Jeff. So let's, hope our cross our fingers and hope that, logic is bears true. I believe it will and, could be a real kick start for us. We'll see. I will promise you I'll do the best I can tonight. Okay? Yes. There's several people who want to say something there. Well, I have a quick comment. Hold on. Let Paul Just just one quick one quick one, Rick.
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It's not that that your expat group are not truth seekers. It's just that a lot of them never knew anything was wrong, so they never knew there was anything to look for. And that's a lot of what's going on with people that probably true. You know, you could say are not truth seekers.
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They just didn't know there was a truth out there. So Well, no. It's it's so funny because I've been dealing with Rich for over thirty years. I know who he is and all that stuff and listen to him off and on for all that time, but he just hadn't penetrated everybody yet, but I'm a neither has Alex Jones. Most of them don't know who Alex Jones is either. Although they're fine conservative people. But, anyway, that's where we are. I'm really excited about tonight. Rick, what do you gotta add, buddy?
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Rents loops his programs twenty four hours, and he usually replays the live broadcast nine to twelve immediately after. So if you miss it, you can hear it three hours later.
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Right. Ann Murr will probably send us that site where he or somebody puts up his recordings, and Paul is probably gonna have a backup for us. So we ought to be pretty covered, and I think Jeff and I'll get along real well. We got a lot of things in common, especially he's big on broadcasting, and he's big on nostalgia. And, boy, I got a lot of that in my closet. Okay? So, I have a feeling we'll hit it off just fine. We got some differences, obviously. Everybody does. But, I think him and his audience are gonna be very impressed with the information. Now the question is because I sent him, and I think several of you did because I suggested it on here, the link to God's, Trump card, which I also sent to him, and he said he's gonna listen to. So I don't know if he's already aware of all that. If he's had time to do it or not, we'll find out tonight.
But, boy, it sure is exciting to finally, after all these years, be able to step up on a platform like him. Now remember, I I did do Joyce three times. But for one thing, GCN back then had twenty two hours twenty two minutes of spots an hour. So you got a little over forty minutes, a little under forty minutes to get your information. And with this type of information, they'd have three and five minute breaks. Hell, I couldn't even remember what we're talking about five minutes before. You know? I'd have to really memory peg it. So that was very difficult. I I understood, of course, what was going on, but I didn't understand it the way I do now where you can really simplify it for folks. And that limitation of having all those commercials in there, and it just was not an ideal situation. Now some of the listeners we've got today came from those, those appearances.
Samuel being one of them. Several other people have stumbled through here. Said, oh, yeah. First time I heard you was on was on, Joyce Riley. In fact, Samuel. I remember the first time Samuel called in. And he goes, yeah. Well, he called he used to call in as freedom, d u m b. And, he said, yeah. Well, I heard Roger on Joyce. And I said, well, I'll I'll just wait and see how Roger does. And so seven years later, he checks in again and been with us in regular ever since. So there were some folks that were that that penetrated to, not as many as I had thought.
And, of course, then, I've, you know, I asked you this one time, Paul. You know what the biggest reason that alcoholics start drinking again? Paul, is he off? Did he run off somewhere?
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He's off chasing the cat. Expectation.
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Expectations of other people. Unfulfilled expectations of other people is the most common reason that people fall off the wagon. And I was kinda guilty of that a little bit, like, when the John b Wells thing came along. I thought, man, here's this huge audience, this great recognized broadcaster, and and we'll just blow this thing out. Well, John got it. He got it real quick into the presentation. I'm pretty pretty surprised really, but he got it. But the problem there was he's broadcasting at the behest of a group called Sinclair Broadcasting, and they didn't like that information on his program.
K? So but the point being is we only got a couple of folks out of that. I was really shocked. But I think Jeff will be different tonight. We'll see. I'm not trying to have any expectations, but I would guess that there may be a few more people with us, like, next week. So or Saturday. So we'll see. Anyway, very exciting. We've it's nothing like achieving a big goal that you've had for a long time and worked towards. And the achievement of goals like that are just really satisfying, You know, the warm fuzzy effect. So, anyway, we'll see. Anxious to meet Jeff. I think you'll him and I will get along very well, and you'll probably want me back, I would think. And, we'll see how it develops.
I know our message as you do or you wouldn't be here. Our message is really important, and, it's the key to the whole thing, really. So, looking forward to tonight. Anybody got any ops opinions or anything on that? Any suggestions? Roger, don't cuss or anything like that? No? Okay. Well, I I promise you. I'll give you this, my promise. I'll do the absolute best I can tonight. So I think we may open up a door or two. So we'll see. You know? And the problem is you get on there. Some of those people will be skeptical if they've never heard this before. But I got no no, no wiggle room for any skepticism.
I mean, the federal government has been agreeing with this for fifteen years. Fifteen years this month, by the way. And, our was 2011. It's twenty fourteen years this month. Sorry. Fourteen years this month. And, I I've never received any information from any of you outside of the bluff letters from or missus Robinson or this latest one from the IRS outside of those garbage things. We've never received any word back of any blowback in anyone's lives from filing this with the federal government. Now state governments are a little different, especially traffic stuff as you know and we've discussed.
There that that situation is unpredictable. The one of the federal government is totally predictable because they've had the same reaction for fourteen years. They stay on mute. Now back in the old days, of course, for about the first half of that, the what we would suggest was, for you to not even give the secretary of state the naked affidavit, but to, just apply for a passport or a passport card. And, I've mentioned this before. Do y'all know how seriously they take passport fraud up there? They take passport fraud incredibly seriously.
And the example that I always use was something that happened when I first started doing this. It was back around 02/2011, and there was a retired army guy. He had been stationed at Guantanamo. And somewhere earlier in his life, he had applied for a passport, but he didn't sign it. Remember, if you're a first time passport receiver, applicant, you gotta go in front of this, agent, an affiliated agent with the federal government at the post office, somebody. And if you don't have one of those guys in the post office, you gotta go in front of a judge. And we've had some of our students, Ken, in West Texas. They didn't have a authorized agent at the post office, and so he had to go to a judge. Well, he never saw the judge. He just dealt with the clerk. They have him sign it, then they take it, and they mail it. He wouldn't even let him mail it. So the interesting thing about that is with Ken and his situation out there, a couple of weeks later, he was at the gun shop trying to buy some ammunition, this nice guy next to him, and they start talking, and it was the judge.
And Ken brought up the incident. He goes, oh, yeah. I remember that. And Ken started feeding him some of our information, and they were supposed to get together. I don't know if they ever have, but, there's there's another judge. You know? So, they take this passport stuff very seriously. Well, this guy had, I don't think he had signed it, but he had filled it out and sent it in to the passport division at some point earlier in in his life. And when he went back and he went to apply again, of course, because he got no response. It wasn't anywhere legitimate.
So he goes to apply again, and they come arrest him for passport fraud. Because there's a question there that says, have you ever applied for a passport before? And he answered no. Even with an unsigned application that what that that they sent in accidentally. Well, they said you'd send in an application before, and he'd been in jail for six months down in Jacksonville and had to appeal to the senator from Florida to get him out of jail, which he did. But my point being is they take passport fraud pretty damn seriously. K? Nobody's ever even been approached about that with us. We've had conversations with the passport office. And they go, the guy goes, oh, yeah, man. He says, yeah. You're listed as a national. And he he brings up the affidavits because, obviously, it's attached to his profile there. And he goes, wow. This is really good.
We don't have any problem accepting these types of affidavits. It's those 30 page booklets that get shoved to the back of the desk. David Strait. David Strait. David Strait. So they take passport fraud very seriously. And, we've never had any of that happen. We've never had one single blowback reported to me. Now there could have been some, but my experience with you folks is when anything happens that's abnormal to you, the first person you're gonna reach out to is me. And you're gonna come screaming, Roger, Roger, I got a letter. Roger, Roger, they did this. It happens every time. I mean, I've experienced it a number of times, so I've never gotten one of those going there dinging me.
Well, we do get some bluff letters occasionally. They're not from the state department. We got missus Robinson from the state department with all of her crap. But the best ones are really the passport office, bluff letters. And as we've talked about on here before, we haven't had not very many of them. I mean, over fourteen years, there may have been, I don't know, eight, ten, 12, 15, something like that. That's not very many for as many people as have applied. And they do it pretty good, really. All of those bluff letters contain the same first paragraph. I can just about quote it verbatim. It appears by what you've submitted that you're a citizen of The United States, and they quote the fourteenth amendment, blah blah blah blah blah. And subject to the jurisdiction thereof, they kinda just tail it off right there. They go, this cannot be waived unilaterally, blah blah, except by operational law.
Well, all you have to do is write them back. It says, you know, fourteenth amendment says and subject. It didn't say our subject. Well, that's pretty blunt and to the point. Say how about Vatel's law of nations and every man has the right of personal political self determination. Is that lawful enough for you there, passport division? Well, it must be because every time anybody sent any response to this, they've always gotten their documents. Of course, relatively, about a year ago, we had the story from Jerry about his wife where Hilton, whoever the hell he is, some new world order stooge, calls the wife from the passport office. She had applied for a card in a book.
And, the wife says, I'm in a meeting. Could you call back in thirty minutes? And she alerted Jerry, and Jerry fielded the call. And Hilton started saying, so look look your wife is born in Syracuse in New York. She's born in The United States, blah blah blah. And I don't know exactly how Jerry responded, but he responded real good. He held his own. He, you know, he'd taken me literally and uptook the information, learned it, made it part of his. It is his passport application they didn't have any problem with. It was the wife's. And so they have that conversation. I've most of y'all have heard this before. And at one point, Hilton, there in the passport office, he wouldn't give him an ID number or last name, first name. All we know is Hilton.
So, Hilton told Jerry, said, man, you really know your stuff. God, that warms the cockles of my heart, folks, because it shows we're doing the right thing. Roger. Jerry did it. Hold on, Merca. Jerry uptook all that information. Whoever this guy was that was trying to feel him out said, you really know your stuff. I'm telling you. And so then they asked Jerry. So would you we can't do this. Would you rather me just send the package back? And Jerry's thinking, yeah, we'll approach it another way. They go off on vacation with some of their buddies to South Florida for a week. And when they come back, the passport and the passport card are in the mailbox. Yes, Myrca. They're all paper tigers, folks. I'm telling you. Myrca?
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Hey. Good morning. Good morning. So I was just gonna say they're not they're not gonna when I they're not gonna, deny us the, you know, deny the affidavit because it's our fact. And we're using factual documented data, that is out there for them to review and verify. Yeah. Now compared to other people Yeah. Compared to other people using, you know, other words in the national part, it's, you know, it's it's easier for them to bluff or easier to mess with because of all the, you know, extra information that they add to their affidavits. Our affidavits pretty simple and effective and novel. For them to say.
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31 pages like a novel. Okay? And remember the couple that called in is some couple that ran into CPS in Southern California, I think. And someone gave him David Strait's name, and they went and paid him whatever absorbent amount of money that he's charging for that sort of stuff. And they took it to CPS and delivered the 31 page opus to the CPS guy. And he opens it up, and he's reading through it. And he goes, oh, you're a sovereign citizen, are you? That's what you get from those type of people. K? So, anyway, our our our stuff is proven. It's simple.
It's easy to execute. It's inexpensive. It's nonconfrontational, and, by golly, it works. K? So we'll convey all that as much as we can in an hour with Jeff tonight. It's very much of a challenge to try and get this information in in an hour because all you can do is hit the high points, and you'll probably miss some of those. But I promise you, again, I'll do the best I can. So, anyway, I'm looking forward to doing that tonight and seeing what kind of response we get. And who knows? It may be the impetus to flip us over to InfoWars or some of the other big platforms that have not yet caught up with our stuff. And I think that may be the case. So, again, we'll just wait and see. I'm quite excited about it. I'll be thinking about it the entire day today up to the 09:00 in showtime.
09:00 my time. So anybody got something to add to that? Some of that? Observations, comments? Oh, y'all quiet. Alright. Well, I'm a go with Joan first. Hold on, guy. Yes, ma'am.
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The big man that we've you've been waiting for has been preparing you for fifteen years or more, and you are ready now, mister.
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I think so, John. I feel like it. I mean, you know, see, this is I've done what I try and tell you people to do, which is make your this information yours. I mean, I know it like the back of my hand inside out. I I I dream about the damn stuff. Okay? So I don't know how much more you can internalize it, and that's what you gotta do. The the the the degree of your freedom is totally correlated to how much you understand and have commanded this information. There's a direct correlation there. And for the people that are too lazy, don't want us to learn, like, Fletch Fletch, that guy that used to be on Saturday, the Jew basher. And I start telling him, Alicia, you mean I gotta learn all that?
I said, well, damn. You wanna be free? You know? How about Thomas Jefferson? Those who expect to be ignorant and free expect what never was and never will be? Well, that's still true. Okay? So, yes, Joan. I appreciate that. The big guy has, definitely had his hand on me for a long time. Who was the guy that was trying to say something there?
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You are blessed.
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I I truly agree with that, and I know it, and I thank him profusely for it, Joan. There was a guy who was trying to say something when Joan was right there. I put you on the back burner. You wanna get taken off the back burner?
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That was me. Sir?
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Yeah. Who's you? There it is. Who's you? Hello? Oh, yeah. Hello? Is that Thomas? It's Thomas. Hey, man. Well, you're you're still a little faint. Thank you. Thomas is the one that really opened the door for this. I wanna give you proper credit. Thank you so much. And everybody that sent Jeff an email because he read that's evidently the email that he goes to on a daily basis. And, he saw all your emails and he responded. Thank you all so much. Yeah. Thomas, what you got here? Awesome, Thomas.
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Oh, hey. Yeah. No. What I was I mean, I'm really nervous for you tonight. I mean, I just got my fingers crossed because, like you say some people get it and some people don't and I have no idea. I mean Jeff is a smart guy, I've been listening to him for years, but you know how it is. It's got nothing to do with your IQ or anything. You get it, you don't or you're intrigued by it. And what I was thinking of is not to tell you what to do or anybody else and to be offensive or in any way, but if you had maybe people could call in and give you like say, if you had just a sentence to hook somebody like I keep thinking tonight, you've got to like set the hook because one hour isn't good, you know, darn well. One hour isn't, you need to be a regular on this show, I think. Well,
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I don't disagree with you and he may see it and bring us in. Now I tell you, Thomas, I've got this thing simplified. My big charge over all these years is, as I've told you guys, to get it as simple as possible so that someone can uptake it, the information, get exposed to it, uptake it, and and react to it as quickly as possible because there's a real time lag in there. I understand that. I I think I've got it structured in my mind. You want me to tell you how we're gonna cover it tonight? I'm gonna start out with Alice in Wonderland. I'm gonna start out with Pavlov's dogs because that's something Jeff saw on the website in a in a something somewhere on the website and asked me specifically to cover that. Of course, I will. And that theme goes through the rest of the presentation, so we'll probably cover it right out the gate. I'm gonna go and talk about Alice in Wonderland and give the spiel on that. Then we're gonna go into equivocation and show people how they've done what they've done. That should take the first half hour.
Now whether Jeff will see the importance of this and waive the spots at that point, I don't know. We'll see. Sometimes he does. Most of the time, he doesn't. But when if if my timing is right, I'm gonna try and get it timed. And the second half of the hour, I'll start out asking him the two questions. And I if he hadn't gotten it by then, he'll get it by then. I think, Thomas, that he's probably listened to that badass uncle Sam interview at least once. So I think he's on top of this already. Don't know for sure, but I think so. So we'll see.
But I've got it pretty, pretty, I've got it a lot easier to understand than it used to be. Put it that way. And see, that's why I've moved that Alice in Wonderland, the equivocation to the front like we did on the badass uncle Sam video because now you know how they've structured your mind to be able to pull off what they did. So by the time you see what they've done, you can grasp it easier because you know how they've done it. And that seems to really work, Thomas. Yes, Paul. You're trying to say something?
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Maybe maybe you can try and work. Once you cover Pavlov, try and work in there how everything is dialectics and people are exposed
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to That sounds. That sounds. Yeah. People
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people are are exposed. They're constantly, bombarded by opposites on the same issue. So they really don't know where to think. So it so it kinda creates a, a panic fight or flight just I don't even wanna think about that. Just get get that away from me. Just just don't talk to me about that.
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I mean, how many times have you been listening to somebody on the air, some sort of thing, and they'll go, wow. That's exactly what's opposite the reality. And see, they understand it on an individual basis like the Patriot Act and stuff. But what they don't understand is that this technique of opposites equivocation is the basis of everything they do. Okay? Right. And that's the important part right there. Because what that does for you is it gives you a remedy, A, to go back and straighten out the definition in your subconscious. But, b, it shows you every time you got a question about anything, you always look a 80 degrees in the opposite direction.
And every time, you'll find the answer there.
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Yep. And because their whole deal
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is built on it. Yep. Go what now? Right.
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Don't forget don't forget to, share the quote, that, we'll know our disinformation program is complete, is successful
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when everything the American people believes is a lie. Yeah. It's a lie. William Casey, and I might do that and see if I can slip it in. I'm gonna have to play along because I don't know how Jeff is gonna respond to some of this. And he if he is responding, his response will dictate what we do next. So it's not totally under my control at this point, but I think I'll have pretty good control tonight. So we'll see.
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Oh, you you've got, like, little snippets. That's all in there.
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Oh, I got more sky I got more more stuff than the sewer department to throw in there. Now who's that? Can I lift you up? Somebody's got their mic open. Who wants to say something?
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Merca did. What'd you say? Roger, I like your I like your actually, I like your plan how you how you said what you were gonna do. You were gonna do the first thirty minutes a certain way and
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add after that. So looks It just works better that way. If you launch into telling them what they've done, they don't understand the dialectics. They don't understand the implications of a lot of that. They're just kinda and that's where people really get confused. I think if you show them what's going on and how they've done it before you show them that, that they'll see that and it's much easier understood by them. That's what I think. So I got some for you, Rob. Do it. I told hold on. I I I sent Jeff the Dodge from current. I said this is how I'd like to, explain this Thursday. Yes, sir. Who's that, Rick? Was that you, buddy?
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This is Dan. This is Dan from Massachusetts. How are you, Roger? Hey. Hey, Dan. Oh, hey. Hey. Hey. You. Buenas? Yeah, man. I just I just want Dan Edwards, Jeff from Hmong Metal Math. I just wanted to, I just wanted to give you just the absolute confidence you already have it. But, I mean, I went this stuff is crumbling everywhere. I walked and moved through court as if they didn't wanna touch me in any kind of way. It was a simple traffic stuff. And so it's not so simple. They want you. They they wanted to arrest me in the whole nine yards, and I walked in there with such confidence that they they bowed to me like that guy did to like that judge did to that that guy. What was that guy with long hair? And he just passed the thing across the bar, and the judge stood up and sort of bowed and walked out.
He didn't quite do that, but it was close enough. I just wanted you to have this out. He looked at me and he was like, no, mister Edwards. We understand your constitutional reservations of rights. And he stopped short of saying, we understand that we broke through all of that, and we hope you don't do much more about it. And and just just just I don't know what else to pardon.
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Dan, you got pair you got pair parakeets in the back there?
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You know what? There must be. I'm outside. I bet there's birds out here. Oh, man. Well, there's still birds?
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There's still birds in North America. Well, that's encouraging.
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Yeah. And then Hey, Joe. Be attacked with any Bill Gates gadgets, so I think they're natural. Well,
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I I hope not. You brought up a very important point, Dan. You you you centered off a little bit, but from my, point of view, you know, because I've been trying to as I said, I've been trying to get it on wrench for, well, fourteen years since I started, really. And, and, what I came to understand after a few years of that was I got real frustrated because I never couldn't make any progress, man. You don't know how hard it is to find you folks. You folks that respond to this. It's difficult. You if you go out and talking to people, you're gonna understand what I'm saying real quick. Okay? But it's very difficult, especially in the early stages. Yeah. To find people. And so I I I back in those years, Dan, I kinda just said, well, I know how important this is because I did. And and I'd say, well, lord, I just can't do this anymore because I get so frustrated and mad and all of that stuff. And I said, well, listen. I can't push this door open. It's just too damn heavy for little old me. And what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna put that in your hands.
And and in the interim, until you decide that that time is right, I'm gonna just go ahead and learn how to do it easier, build a foundation with folks like Dan and Mirka and all you good folks out there, and we'll just see to when the door opens. Well, you know, as you look at it right now, if I'd have gotten on Rents ten plus years ago, oh, it's it's damning information. I wouldn't have known as well how to explain it back then. And there probably, excuse me, wouldn't have been as many people that were, accepting of it. But now that's all changed.
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Laundry, just keep it simple with the national
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Hold on. Let me finish. Yeah. Now we got these people being exposed at every level. I mean, every level. They had to sit there the other night in that in that one of the State of the Union, that speech with Trump. And they gotta sit there and defend child rape, migrants by the tens of millions, murdering, raping, stealing. They've got to defend all that. The the new world order is crumbling and getting exposed every time you turn around. And now
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I I don't know why they're so bad at it. How did they get so bad at this? They were perfect. Well, it was before. Now they saw Yeah. But it's I don't If there it's all based on lies, Dan. That's why. So now you got a damn pool of gasoline out there that's all vaporizing.
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And I'm here at the big podium in the middle of that lake of gasoline, and I got the match. So now when we get rents tonight, there's a whole lot of people that are more aware, a, and b, could this be the one that pushes them over the edge?
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You just don't you just never know. I just I just wanted to say out loud that I I have absolute confidence, Roger. I I don't know where it's all gonna go, but I watched myself move through that court and I watched them. It's more than once, by the way. It was several times and through this whole process, I watched them bow when I stood. I stood without shake, man. There was no shake. I just, like, lean right in and they're like, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow. It was all a matter of Yeah. It wasn't just the words I used because if I was shaky, they would have rolled me. You know what I mean? Right. So I know there's that aspect to it. But just the I just I just want to impart my confidence into your heart if that if that means anything. Thank you. And and just it's so it's just so powerful. The group I'm part of, by the way, I I asked her once before and I didn't do anything to help coordinate. I'm sorry about that. But it's like, I want those guys to hear this on Tom Ryn, so I'm gonna get on. I don't know where to look for it. I missed the first about seven minutes of what you can do. I'll tell you. I'll tell you. Yeah. But Paul's gonna Paul's gonna try and broadcast it here, which I'm sure he'll be successful at.
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And, you can go to Rents's site is rense.com.
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R e n s e Com. Will do. Yep. We have a quick, we have dismissal after dismissal on our on our Operation WyzeDome server. It's a it's one of those, servers everyone gets on and opens up a folder and they put their cases in. We can talk on there. I forgot the name of the platform, but everyone knows it. It's Discord. Discord is the name. There's about 300 of us on there. There's about 50 cases open in there. They're loaded with, dismissals and the motions that we're filing and the stuff we're doing. We're also we got it. It's a lot it's a mastermind like an operation wise dome we call it. And we put all our minds together. Next thing you know, it's like a bunch of guys like you now all talking and running through this stuff like all in one spot and they're not like you, Roger, because we don't have all of your experience. But but pretty dang close in our spirit.
The spirit is just like you and everyone on this call, and this server is loaded with I have a dismissal. Dismissal after dismissal, they look at it and they have to stop in their tracks and be like uncle. And and I don't know how much Jeff Brenn that would stuff like that would mean to Jeff. And you can't even go showing them all that stuff because it's just too much. But dismissal after dismissal after dismissal in Wyzethone. If they come up against Wyzethone, they end up getting dismissed.
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Okay. Let me ask you. I don't believe you've mentioned that. Discourse? Is it .org? Dot what for some of our other folks that are litigious?
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Yeah. It's the Discord is like this app that came up that's it's called the Discord Server and Discord is this program. If you just type in Discord on your phone for the App Store, you'll see it's in there. And, and d I s c o r d and you open a little account with Discord and now you can hop on to anyone's server, they call it a server. And so, this one is called Operation Wyestone.
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Okay. Operation Wyestone. Operation Wyestone. Okay. D o n d. Yep. Okay. For those of you in the audience that are involved in any of this litigation stuff, traffic, or anything else, I assume. This, Discord is an app that you can put on your phone, and it allows you to tap into other servers and with other people on the same length that you can put together like Dan's describing to us.
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Yeah. Server's a little different than your Radio Ranch show. Like, you're on Yeah. You're in a spot. You have a thing. People log on and they get rivals the same thing here, but it's on a thing for application called Discord. And and and there's just we're strictly about Monte strictly, not strictly, but most it was just right to travel, which isn't your thing per se. Like, but we're all eager to get into court because we want them to hear. We want them to dismiss. We want the evidence that they keep dismissing. And while most people aren't and you shouldn't be eager to get into court, we've all been battle tested. So we ain't that shaky in that way. I mean, we're still shaky. Don't get me wrong. I'm afraid. You know what I mean? Yeah. Of course. But we go anyways. We go anyways. It's Daniel. It's it's Michael. It's biblical. It's Right.
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Well, that's the way a lot thirty years ago, a lot of patriots would go out intentionally and try and get into traffic situations because the ramifications of traffic court are pretty small, pretty minimal, and they could get in there and get this practice and experience. So what you're saying That's what is a technique that's been used by the patriot community for a long time. And I don't discourage you from doing that. My only thing is I know what's involved. If you get into court with these guys and and even in other serious things like the IRS thing I was in, and I don't want people that have never done that before going into that situation being naive. Nope. Can't do it. Please be aware of what what you're facing.
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Okay? Yeah. It's like lineman work or or oil rig work. There's no green horns. There's no green horns. There's just that and that's okay. There's nothing wrong with that. And and so but, yeah. It's like now there's hundreds of us, thousands of us. Yeah. The auditors, everyone is getting into court. Mostly younger kids too that are scrappy and flipping up their middle being born with their middle finger out. Uh-uh.
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Yeah. You know, that type of thing. Well yeah. That's good.
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But, well, it does make you stronger and, it it it's a good thing. And but I just want look what look at with Joe. Look at Joe Lustica. I mean, if I had told him, Joe don't do that, but he's very litigious. He's got a wonderful foundation on what he does. He has exceptional legal skills, I guess, inherently, it seems. And he almost took a town back. Folks, he almost took his town back for the people in the town and kicked all the government officials out. But what do you have to go through to get to that point and persevere through all of the crap? They're gonna throw in front of you. But Joe did. He committed. He went back finally and started doing research on the founding of the town and, the the original paperwork it was, founded on and the things that they had to do and didn't couldn't do. And he was about ready to take the whole damn town away from them, folks. I mean, this is serious stuff we got here.
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And we're getting serious. And that hundredth monkey syndrome is now at hand is is all I'm really getting at because whatever patriots were doing it before, there was isolated. Now there's a pool of people pouring in that are actually getting this done. It's that hundredth monkey sort of thing, if you know what that is. I do. You guys know what the hundredth monkey is? Yes. Yeah. So if you wanna explain that to people that that later that but, yeah, we're there because now it's not just a couple. It's raining as it relates to, like, the numbers of people getting in and doing that.
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Well, that's what I gotta get across to Jeff and them tonight and his audience is these guys got a lot of money. They got a ton of influence. They've been running the world for a long time with these scams and these deceptions. But, they're scared of one thing. That's us with numbers and truth. Roger. Period. You've got all three of those things. They are they're terrified us. That's why they call us terrorists because we terrorize their scams. So, I can yield now, Roger, and thank you so much. And I love you. Got something to add. Thank you, Dan. Yep. Alright. Well, you're a very nice addition to our our crowd here, and we appreciate you. Marco, what you got?
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I was gonna say just keep it simple with the national, when you Oh, honey. Don't worry. What the what the the definition is, '21, 11/01/2021. Right.
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National. No nothing else on it. Well, yep. I'll be as simple as I can. And, so hopefully, we just have enough time. That's that's the problem. It's the back end the back thirty minutes on getting into all of these different aspects of this. I don't know you can cover all of them. I'll try and hit the ones that come up that are important.
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K? Like, for instance to verify Roger.
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Well, I mean, yeah, yeah, I'll I'll give them all that. Listen. I'm not forcing them to do this. I don't want them to do it unless they're, moved by the information and wanna do it. So I don't go in and beat people up anymore. I used to do that, and it's very, very, unproductive. People end up not liking you worth a damn. So, that's not the way to win friends and influence people. Merca, this is what I promise you. I'll do the very best I can. K? And, if they come, if the people come, great. And if it's like John b Wells and we never hear from any of them, well, it just shows our road ahead's a little bit harder, but it's still, doable.
But I I don't think that's gonna be the case with this audience tonight. They are For some reason of the fact by the nature of the fact, Marca, that they're listening to Rents who breaks a lot of this stuff, They're automatically truth seekers, and the truth seekers are the ones that this information registers with. I think we'll do quite well tonight. What was your comment?
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I know I know that you know this, but, if they do need to verify it, it's, title eight,
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section 11 o one twenty one. Well, I'm not gonna go into all that. I got because I don't like going into statutes and regulations. I'm gonna use the fourteenth amendment on them. K?
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Because you can explain everything right out of the way. That sounds good. Yeah.
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K? And they go look at that reference. It's it's not confusing. It's just deceptive because they don't know the other side. For instance, there's nine legal landmines in that sentence. Persons, born, naturalized, United States, and subject, jurisdiction, citizen of The United States, and state wherein they reside resident. There are nine legal landmines in that short little sentence.
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So it's 9PM eastern. Right?
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Yes. 06:00 your time. Okay.
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Okay.
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Yep. So, so who else has got something to add this morning? Any comments?
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Yes, sir. Comment. Roger, can hey. This is Sam in Illinois. Hi, Mirka. Well, hell, where in the hell have you been? Buenos Aires. Hi, guys. I've been doing stuff. I I've had issues with the city. A quick question, and I'll tell you my experience too, though. The, ten forty n r, do you send that to, Texas, or do you send it to North Carolina?
[00:48:12] Unknown:
What does it matter? No. I wouldn't say well, if I was gonna tell you to send it anywhere, I'd say send it to Philadelphia. But if they instruct you to send it to Texas, Austin, then they'll forward it to Philadelphia. All nonresident alien returns are processed through Philadelphia or used to be. Philadelphia. Okay. Now do you know? Do y'all know? Do y'all know that Trump cut loose Doge cut loose 50% of the IRS the other day. Oh, that's weird. He fired 50% of the personnel. So don't expect your paperwork to zoom through there for one thing. And the other day, the week before, he closed a 20 IRS offices.
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Are you serious?
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Yes.
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Wow. What can we expect from that?
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So and I'm I'm sad about that, Sam, because hell, the IRS has been our greatest recruiter. So I'm kinda sorry to see him going away, you know, really. And Trump's gonna try and switch that over to tariffs and that the tariffs will take care of the national debt, which is still fraud. It's still based on fraud. But anyway, that's kinda what's going on. So wherever they direct you to send it, Samuel. Now what what else is going on with you?
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My my son actually told me to do this, and we put all zeros. And I guess that's he was asking which where to send it to. I guess he he still had the file even though I did the revocation of election. Right?
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Ho ho ho ho. You your your son is telling you to send in ten forty n r's and all zeros?
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Yes. Or Well,
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oh, man. I I'm glad you're with us, Argh. You wanna address that, Argh?
[00:50:00] Unknown:
Yes. Well, that works. You just you can put all zeros except for the amount that was withheld for your taxes and then, follow the instructions on the ten forty n r where you mail it. If you're wanting a refund, if you're anticipating a refund, you mail it to Austin.
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Oh, Austin. Okay. Okay. No. I'm not quite interested. The address is right there in the instructions.
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Now I'm wondering about the all you're running.
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Now hold it, Sam. My money a couple years ago.
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Well, what are you sending an NR in for?
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I mean, I don't know.
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Have they have somebody withheld money that you're trying to get back? Sam Sam Sam, hold on. Hold on, Erica, please. Sam, is are you has somebody taken money out that you're trying to get back?
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I'm not sure if there might have been,
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a couple hundred dollars or something. If you're not sure, don't don't do anything else until you become sure.
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Phil knows what he's doing. Phil knows what he's doing. He's helping him.
[00:51:13] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. He is. Why are you filing a form? Why are you filing the NR with all God almighty. Why are you filing an NR with all zeros on it? If you want money back, you gotta put some amount in there. Don't you, Mark?
[00:51:29] Unknown:
Yes. There's a spot for taxes that were withheld and you put that amount in there. And that gets to the point of where you get a refund. Now prior to that as you're going down the form, as you're going down the form, some people put zeros in every every other column when there's no amount to put in there. Some people want to put a zero in there. So I've seen both ways and seen refunds come both ways. So, it's really just amount you're reporting the amount that was withheld. Sure. And the amount of your income that's exempt. And that's what comes out to your refund.
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So, Sam, is there money that's been withheld from you that you're trying to get back?
[00:52:21] Unknown:
Well, I think it was has to do with dividends. Some dividends might have been, oh, boy, I couldn't even tell you to be honest with you. Stock. A little
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bit amount. Stock. Yes. Go ahead. Well, if that's a little different. If if you got dividends from stocks that you had purchased in the past, that's tax. Yeah.
[00:52:44] Unknown:
Yeah. You don't want to do it in an hour. You want to do a regular one. Right?
[00:52:48] Unknown:
Well, it's still the same form, but you have to put that down as income. And then you gotta look up on the tax table what kind of tax you owe on that.
[00:52:58] Unknown:
Okay. So, normally, on on everything with whatever was in there, it was just there was no it was, there was a spot where you you would put in, you know, just to roll it back into it, and then I didn't want any dividends.
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But there's one Doesn't matter. We explained this yesterday. Were you on the show yesterday? No. I was. I haven't been on there for a little while. I explained that in very depth. People are people are looking for ways, but they seem to get taxed. You know, I give them I give them the simple, you know, here's here's the only way you can be taxed, and they keep looking for another way to get taxed. So but, Sam, it doesn't matter whether you you plowed those dividends back into whatever you purchased or whatever your investment is. You were paid those dividends. No matter what you do with those, those dividends are potentially taxable to the National. Okay.
Okay. Yeah. You can go put it in your bank account, you can go buy some more of that same stock that's paying dividends. Doesn't matter. You were paid dividends. You should have received a $10.99 on on those dividends and that is what you would potentially pay a tax on. Again, you're taxed.
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Copy of that, all that stuff.
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Right.
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Oh, so you roll it back into it without taking or or actually cutting the You didn't hear? Listen. Sam. Sam. Sam.
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Please listen. Please listen. Listen
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closely. You received income from stock dividends. It's got to be a domestic corporation that you'd individually had purchased specific stocks from that pay you dividends. That's something common that a lot of people do because it pays them no residual income. And so when you get paid that dividend, it does not matter what you do with that income. It's still taxable. And you should have received a $10.99 from your stock brokerage company that would show you what or maybe from the corporation itself but you should have received a ten ninety nine showing that you received dividend payments.
And again, it does not matter what you do with that dividend money. You can roll it back over into that same program or same stocks. You could buy yourself something with it. You can stick it in your bank account. Doesn't matter what you do with it. You receive it as income, and it's gonna be counted.
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Okay. Now now Sam That's all to differentiate Mark, let me interrupt for just a second. Go ahead. If you go and sell the stock, you won't have to pay capital gains. But if they give you a dividend, that is gain and it's taxable.
[00:56:02] Unknown:
Yep. Well, it's from a US a US source is where I look at it. Gain from a US source is taxable. Yeah.
[00:56:10] Unknown:
Yeah. Okay. Okay. Alright. Let me try to understand this. So what you're saying is instead of touching the dividend, if it just goes rolls right back into the stock, even though you don't sell it, you still owe money on it. That's correct. And at the end of the year, let's say at the end of the year, the stock goes to zero, you'd still owe money on money you never touched is what you're saying. No, you got paid at the end of the year. Okay. Even though it rolled back into it, and you didn't touch it, you still owe money on it. Even if it when the stock went up or down. First off, first off, you I'm really questionable about you saying you roll it back in.
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Because it makes me wonder if you're like in more of a mutual fund or a four zero one ks or something like that because No, no. They're individual stocks. Individual stocks. Okay. So when you just say roll it back in and that's pretty vague. So if you're taking the dividends that that you're hold on. Let me finish. If you're if you're taking the dividends that you're you receive from the stock and you turn around and buy more stock. Right? Whether it's whether you do it or whether it's automated, you still receive dividend income and that is potentially taxable as a national.
I don't know how much simpler I can put that. Yeah. Okay. Now it doesn't matter where the stock it does not matter whether the stock price goes up or down or sideways. It does not matter what the stock price is. It just matters that you receive dividend payments from those stocks.
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Mhmm. Okay. That they paid out dividend, that's an income.
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That's correct.
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Yes. Alright. Fair enough. Okay. Fair enough.
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Okay. So you guys don't mind what I was doing. I was gonna Hold on. I got one one important thing to add to that.
[00:58:00] Unknown:
If you do a ten forty n r because you have, you know, dividends or or, you know, income that's taxable as a national, you do not send that to Austin. If you have to write a check and make the payment, you do not send that to Austin, you send it to North Carolina. There's only two places that you send your ten forty NR to and they're listed in the instructions.
[00:58:22] Unknown:
Wow. Okay. Okay.
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Alright. Okay. Yeah. That was the question. It was either Austin or his gun. Yeah. Well, the question I'm still trying to get an answer to is why are you sending in this $10.40 n r? Did somebody withhold on you from somewhere, Or are you trying to deal with these dividends?
[00:58:43] Unknown:
Well, here, let me see why it was even printed out. I'll take you in a second. I got a really interesting story for you guys anyways besides this. Let me see. Okay. So I'm not under you know what? I'd have to ask Philip, and I keep telling him to jump on, and I don't know why he's not, unless he's busy.
[00:59:14] Unknown:
Well, I just a simple question. Why are you filing that form? That's the question. I couldn't even tell you, Raj. I you know what? I'm not very Alright. Well, then hold it, Sam. Alright. Hold on. Since that so hold on, Sam. Merca, please. Everybody, we're talking all over each other. Go ask your son. Not right now. Ask your son and get that information and come back and visit us when you got when you know what you're doing and why you're doing it. Okay. Good. Okay. I'll do that. That's fine. Okay. Because we're chasing our tails here. If you don't know that, we're chasing our tails right here to me.
[00:59:52] Unknown:
Go ahead. Well, it sounds like if if there's some money being made on the stocks and even though it's getting rolled back into it, that it's taxable, then it's fine. It is what it is. I don't have an issue with it. So Okay. Again, I'm glad I asked. I'm glad I asked. But I wanted to share something with you guys, and I someone had talked about earlier about, some app. I wrote it down earlier just now. But I was gonna tell you guys what it had been happening with the city when they went after me. To be courageous, like that young man said earlier, he was talking or whoever was talking earlier. So I would say, you know, I had a problem with the village. Right?
That they went after me. They I did some siding, and then, the guy came to my property. And, I told the guy, whoever was doing the siding, quick professional company anyways, that not to get a permit, I'll be responsible for that. So the inspector goes down there and says, where's your permit? So the guy calls me up. He goes, hey. This guy is here looking for a permit. I said, let me talk to him. And, he gets on the phone. I said, get the hell off the property immediately. So So whatever. I said, what did the guy do? He goes, man, I can't believe it. The guy got in his car. He left right away. I says, great. So then I get a ticket in the mail. I'm cited for not getting a permit.
So I wrote them a letter stating, thank you. You you know, your service is not required here and such and such. I sent that to the mayor, code enforcer, and attorney general. After I did that, they set a court date saying I have to appear, which I already sent my letters with registered return receipt. And, they judged against me for $750. Right? So then I gave them within thirty days, and I never knew all this stuff, an order to vacate. So they have to respond to that. So you have a hearing. Right? And you tell them, hey. You need to stop what you're doing. We're gonna relitigate this. So January 15 was the next court date. I show up. Funny how they do this stuff. People have to be very focused on what they do. As soon as I walked in there, you know, the judge oh, I got a copy of the oath of office of the hearing officer and whoever the prosecutor was, and I wrote my name over it. And I I made a copy of it, and I had them time stamp it. They have a copy of my payment schedule.
Everything's in line. Everything's there. My citizenship papers. Right? Everything's there. So now everything's on record. They can't say they don't know what's going on. After I did that, January 15, I went there, and this is how they get people. They say right away, they they they they go raise your right hand. Do you swear to tell truth? And as they're saying that, I'm folding my hands and shaking my head. No. I don't know what's happening behind me. People are probably going, you know, raising their hands. I'm the third guy, and I got recordings of this, which is really important. You go to foyer requests, and you get the recordings of the court documents, anything that's being said in there.
So I'm up there, and he goes, how do you plead? I says, what do you mean how do I plead? Plead what? I says, I'm challenging your jurisdiction. I learned this through a guy named Irvin. He's he's probably on here from time to time. And the guy goes, I says, I'm challenging your jurisdiction. He go I go, do you have my papers? He's, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He goes, how do you plead? I just I'm challenging your jurisdiction. What I'm saying to the guy is, how do you have authority over me? That's it. I don't. He goes, you know what? I'm gonna just do it default. Right?
[01:03:36] Unknown:
You're gonna do what, Sam? Fine. He's gonna do what? He's gonna
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he's up here. I'll read it. It says, order by default. Like,
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Okay.
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Okay. I have the paper that I have on one second. Once you challenge jurisdiction,
[01:03:51] Unknown:
I think what's going on here, Mark, see if you agree with me, is these, like, hearing officers and things, there's there's two types of jurisdiction. There's subject matter and in personam. And what they're going on is they think they've got subject matter jurisdiction over you because you're in their territory. But your non personum jurisdiction overrides that, I believe.
[01:04:15] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. Not exactly. So here's what he wrote. See if I can find the document. I gave him all this oh, it's, it said, no. That's not it. Basically, I'm asking him how you have jurisdiction over me. Okay. The case is found to be liable, liable by default. Okay? That's what he wrote on there. So what I have to do is I have to the court
[01:04:39] Unknown:
They couldn't default you because they hadn't I answered the jurisdictional challenge. Nothing can go forward when jurisdiction is challenged. He's out of out of his lane
[01:04:51] Unknown:
here. Yes. Mark, do you agree? So here Totally agree. Totally agree. So here's oh, beautiful. Yes. So here's what I did. Challenged jurisdiction, they cannot go forward until that matter is settled. And guess what? Thank you. The judge is not the one you're arguing with. If the judge is arguing with you, then he's prosecuting the case. The opposing the opposing attorney, whether they're the city attorney or county attorney, whatever, they're the ones who had to prove that that their case has jurisdiction over you. It's not the judge's determination.
[01:05:29] Unknown:
The prosecutor wouldn't even look at me. Code enforcement wouldn't look at me. This guy, he had no authority to do that. I agree with you. I get this now. That's that's where you need to get your courtroom strategy ready because normally when a judge starts arguing with me,
[01:05:43] Unknown:
I ask them if they're if they're, prosecuting from the bench. Are you prosecuting on behalf of the the city or the county, whatever court you're in? Because it seems like you're the one arguing. Yep. Instead of being a instead of being a referee, you're the one who's doing the arguing.
[01:06:00] Unknown:
Right. What John Mark, what John what John would say is, are you an independent trier of facts, or are you a party to the action?
[01:06:09] Unknown:
Yeah. Right. Right. Exactly. Yeah. And that third party That's a nice way of saying it. Right. Well, I didn't even go to that I didn't even get to that point, but here's where it gets really good. Here's how here's how stupid they are, and I didn't realize it. And they I don't even know if they realized this. So he writes on here. Right? So I go to a Hundred Third District to to file charges, a civil matter against the city. Okay? Now they have my payment schedule already, which is 5,000 a minute. Thanks to Paul. Whatever he wrote, I copied it and sent all that in. So but what they wrote on here, it said, you failed to appear on this date. So they actually committed fraud on a court document.
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Sure have. Yes.
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So yes. So now I got a Zoom call with some judge, which is, I guess, from the state to protect my rights. So I'm going to actually, my my first defense is gonna be, like, first of all, before we get started, I need to see the search warrant that they were they issued to me, the property owner, that they came on the property. I'm not gonna let them say, oh, with the I don't give a shit. You need a search warrant to come out of to private property, number one. Number two, you falsified, documents, court documents. That's two. Number three, they violated my right, okay, as far as freedom of religion, who I'm gonna worship. If you think about that, that's really freedom.
And they went after my and they used my intellectual, my, my personal intellectual time. I I there's a new there's a different document for that one. But there are so many things that I'm gonna get them on, but I'm gonna first of all, before I even get started, I need to see how they have jurisdiction over me. That's gotta be the first thing that we're gonna say.
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Am I correct or wrong? Well, and you need to separate subject matter and personum. They may not even know that.
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Quick comment. They're gonna have to prove that. Will they Oh, I understand.
[01:08:18] Unknown:
Okay. Well, your your personum jurisdiction overrides their subject matter, I believe. Go ahead, Paul.
[01:08:24] Unknown:
If they are making a claim that you failed to appear and you actually did, you need to get, the court transcript for that day so you can prove you can rebut their claim.
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Right.
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I actually have it I have a video
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because I asked them for a request. Fantastic. They sent me a thumb drive, which I compute when I copied to the computer. So I have a way you know, I could actually show it. There's not an issue. Okay. Okay. Good deal, Sam. Alright. So when's your next appearance?
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April, April 2. It's a Zoom call Okay. In front of a Oh, Zoom call. What's going on. I'm just kinda giving you guys up on what's going on.
[01:09:05] Unknown:
Well, it's not surprising coming out of Cook County. I can tell you that. Go ahead, Mark.
[01:09:11] Unknown:
What's telling you?
[01:09:15] Unknown:
Well, Sam, just go ahead. Mark. Do what you gotta do. And,
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yeah, right. Here's what I wanted to tell people is don't be afraid. Figure it out. I mean, it's it's I didn't get it either for so long. It's just what is your next process? How do I appeal it? Thirty days you got whatever they say. You know what I'm saying? You walk in there. How do you plead? What do you plead? There's nobody there. There's no nobody that's, you know, going against you. Another place.
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Okay. I I have a ticket. Sam
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yeah. I wanna tell Sam how good it is to hear your voice. I've asked where you were a few times. Thank you. Right. I don't think we've heard from you since December. It's been since December. Yeah. What what's your payment on that, please?
[01:10:02] Unknown:
Well, so when he got the ticket, couldn't he done an abatement to it? And I forgot what was the problem.
[01:10:10] Unknown:
He he could've tried that. Yeah.
[01:10:12] Unknown:
No. I did. I sent them a letter. I sent it to, like I said, the mayor, the code enforcer, and the the attorney general of Illinois, Kwame. And I got return receipts, and I let them know that, hey. I don't need their I don't I'm not asking them. Here's a here's what people don't get. You said something earlier, Roger, and I'm gonna state this, and I want people to kinda think about what I'm about to say. The government governs. Okay. That's their job. The government governs by the consent of the governed. So who's in control?
The governed. So we are That's a fair question. Yeah.
[01:10:50] Unknown:
Well, no. Yeah. Yeah. You answered those you answered those two questions yes all your life and gave them permission to. That's exactly correct.
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That's it. That's all of it. They're governed by your consent. When I went to court for eleven months and I would not consent I couldn't figure why they weren't going after me. They have to get you to say yes.
[01:11:10] Unknown:
Yep. Even the devil makes you volunteer, Sam. You're doing good, Sam. You're doing good. Yeah. I think you're doing good, man. Well, keep brushing up on it. You you got, I think, the answers between now and that hearing. And, talk to that judge and see what he says and let us know. Okay?
[01:11:31] Unknown:
Yeah. No. It's not the I want people to know. I I'm gonna go through it no matter what, you know, because, you know, we we get in we do things when it affects us. When it doesn't affect us, sometimes a lot of time, you know, yeah. Yeah. Whatever. Oh, I don't know enough. Yeah. When it comes to you, though, you start to figure it out. You know what I mean? And then maybe help somebody down the road. That's why we're here. Like what you're doing. Right? Exactly what you're Well, that's well, which is why we're here.
[01:11:55] Unknown:
I know. I know. This
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is Who's trying to say something? Mark, is that you or somebody or what? It's kinda mumbled.
[01:12:02] Unknown:
This this is Chris from California. Oh, it's Chris. Hey, Chris. Yeah. Yeah. So, so is this Sam from Cook County? Yes. Yes. Okay. That's in Illinois.
[01:12:16] Unknown:
Yes.
[01:12:17] Unknown:
Yes. Yeah. I used to live in Cook County.
[01:12:20] Unknown:
Sam, what was your Smart that you got out. These people.
[01:12:24] Unknown:
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. What was that? Sam, what was your first contact with which agency?
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It was a, a code enforcer.
[01:12:38] Unknown:
Code enforcement. Okay.
[01:12:41] Unknown:
Yeah. Billing inspector.
[01:12:43] Unknown:
A bill oh, okay. A code inspector.
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Yeah.
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And was your first contact that they left a notice tacked on your door or your fence or sent you a letter or came over and met you personally and caught you off guard?
[01:13:02] Unknown:
No. No. No. I've had few run ins with them, and and my biggest question was, and I kept asking my they they said, well, it's an it's an ordinance and it's a statue. And I said, for who? And they said it's for the city. I said, I'm not part of the city.
[01:13:19] Unknown:
Wait a minute. Did you talk to them, or was it in a letter or what? It was in a letter. This last one was a letter. Yes. So you've got a letter?
[01:13:29] Unknown:
Yes.
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And and this letter started this whole situation?
[01:13:34] Unknown:
Well, yes. Yeah. Well, the yeah. This this particular one. Yes.
[01:13:39] Unknown:
Okay. Well well, I don't know what you did, but Joinder is the key issue. You cannot give them Joinder. They're looking for Joinder. Now was there ever a personal contact or was it only by letter?
[01:13:55] Unknown:
Well, this last issue was by letter, and I sent them a letter to their letter in writing as they responded to me.
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Okay. What did you do with their letter?
[01:14:10] Unknown:
I they they sent me a citation.
[01:14:15] Unknown:
I sent them a rebuttal to their citation stating that Wait a minute. Wait a minute. If they sent you a citation, then that wouldn't have been the first contact.
[01:14:24] Unknown:
What was the first contact?
[01:14:27] Unknown:
That was the first and only one. But now, Sam, let me this is an ongoing situation. This didn't didn't start with this incident. You've had previous incidents with these people. Correct?
[01:14:39] Unknown:
Yes. That's true. Ah. What did when when did it start?
[01:14:46] Unknown:
Well, it started years ago. And every time I I went to court with them once before, and they had to drop the case. They stated I had some, like, noxious weeds in front of my house, which is poisonous. There's eight in the state of Illinois, none of which were there. They were trying to pull up fraud on me again, which I should have sued them at that point. Then they went after me for something else, stating that someone was living in my garage without any kind of evidence, and that took eleven months. Again, I I wouldn't consent. Now here's the killer. They I have that letter stating I'm sorry. I have something posted on my property stating that if you if you come on here as a code enforcer or any kind of federal agent or whatnot, and it's very detailed, it's a hundred and $50,000 any part of the day. Now this is how stupid these guys are. I have a Ring door cam. I had the code enforcement come to my house. K?
And he acknowledged it, and then he left. Right? And then when this is my dad's house. My dad passed away, so I was doing the the rook and the siding on it. And that's also posted. So this is how stupid they are. They took a picture. Hold on. They took a picture of the property with the notice.
[01:16:01] Unknown:
So they can't say they've never seen it or acknowledged it. Okay. Well, that's my next That's and that's not really that's not really an issue. Did you pull your land patent?
[01:16:12] Unknown:
Actually, I just went to Cook County about a week ago.
[01:16:17] Unknown:
You did the land patent from the CLM?
[01:16:19] Unknown:
I appreciate it. The wall. Yes. The chain of title, the land patent, and everything. You have the land patent. They wouldn't accept it. They wouldn't accept it. No. I don't care.
[01:16:28] Unknown:
I don't care what they won't accept. You have to understand you have to challenge jurisdiction. Now we do this a lot. We've done this for hundreds of people, maybe even thousands at this time and I'm not alone doing this. We got a little group going here and we are a % effective. We when when when we get any kind of letter from them, number one is we we might we might steam it open and make a copy and then close it back up just so we know what they're thinking. But then what we do is we send it back to them within seventy two hours to prevent them from getting joined. That's the first thing we do. Then we take the name and address of whoever the first agent is and we create a two zero eight page brief and letter that we send them and we never hear from them again.
And then we do a process where we give them ten days. If they don't respond, we give them a notice of default. We give them another ten days. Then if they don't respond to that, we give them another ten days. And we do all of this with registered mail. I mean, I suppose you could do certified. We do registered mail and we get them completely defaulted. And we also look up the Dun and Bradstreet number. We we give them a set of about 20 questions about their authority, about their, oath of office, about the Dun and Bradstreet number, about, what authority do they have on private land. We always call it private land. It's always private land. And we're never a resident. We're one of the people.
Right. We're the man upon the land. And we're very careful about this. We've been doing this for, like, thirty, forty years. And who is gonna come? Who are you? Wait. Wait. Who are you? I'm Chris from California.
[01:18:29] Unknown:
Yes. Okay. He's new, Sam. He's been coming he's been coming around since we didn't hear from you last time. Go ahead, Chris. Oh. Or who? Okay.
[01:18:39] Unknown:
So the the point is we completely default them, and only one time one time did they have the audacity to give a citation after we were all done to a guy and give him a court date. When he went into court, I told him, I said, now when you go into court, take those green cards with you. And I said, all you gotta do, is tell the judge. I sent them letters and they never answered my letters. And they will, as they always do, they'll they'll deny it. They'll say, we didn't get any letters from him. And then you tell the judge, I have the green cards and copies of the letters right here. The judge will ask to see that, and he'll rail on them and tell them where to go. Okay. Yeah. That's their experience.
Okay. Good. Good. Only once out of hundreds of people did they have nerve to actually take it to court. And that judge told them to never bring a thing like that into his courtroom again.
[01:19:41] Unknown:
Thank you, Chris, for sharing that.
[01:19:44] Unknown:
Yeah, Chris. Thank you. You know, I actually did that. I brought a witness, and we did take the agent's name down and the time we took it. Yeah. But you can't talk to them ever. Everything is in writing. It all has to be documented.
[01:19:58] Unknown:
Okay. So while the witness The only thing you wanna know is what authority do you have on private land held and protected under land patent number blah blah blah along with some more questions about their oath of office, what you want to see a copy of. They won't respond to it at all. They won't do it. And all of our clients, they hang them. We we'll hang them with any one of 20 questions.
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Okay. Middle steams' consent.
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Awesome. That's right. Right.
[01:20:31] Unknown:
By the side to the party, that shows their guilt, another court case said.
[01:20:37] Unknown:
Okay. Because I do I was following Ron Gibson and his protocol and how it's all done. Ron Gibson is not complete.
[01:20:44] Unknown:
I know him very well. His his process is not complete.
[01:20:50] Unknown:
Okay. Well, again, I have a witness. If I have to, I thank you for telling me. I'll send these the guy the letter. Absolutely.
[01:20:57] Unknown:
Well, it has to be done it has to be done the right way, and you have to use language that keeps it in the common law. Okay. Okay. You have to know how to construct that letter with you know, it has to be done very carefully.
[01:21:13] Unknown:
And how would I get ahold of you, Chris?
[01:21:16] Unknown:
That was exactly where I was going right there.
[01:21:19] Unknown:
Okay. Alright. Because you have So I don't know. Now in California, we have what's called the Bagley Keene Act. We also have the have the government code. And in both places, it says the people of this state do not yield their sovereignty to the agencies that serve them. That goes right on top of the whole package. Okay. Good deal.
[01:21:44] Unknown:
That makes a lot of sense.
[01:21:46] Unknown:
Alright. Now how how can we put you two together you want? I think I've got Sam's email, and I think I've got yours, Chris. Yeah. I can put you all together.
[01:21:55] Unknown:
Okay. I believe you have a look while y'all are talking. Have my email and phone number.
[01:21:59] Unknown:
Oh, I don't know about the phone number, but I got your email.
[01:22:03] Unknown:
So This is my phone number should be on there. I don't know why you guys can you see my number or no?
[01:22:09] Unknown:
Where did you put it?
[01:22:12] Unknown:
Okay. Normally, when I would use to go on a computer, I used to see my phone number. What whatever number I'm dialing from today conference call.
[01:22:19] Unknown:
Oh. Yeah.
[01:22:22] Unknown:
Yeah. I see it. It's a 7087
[01:22:24] Unknown:
if if I if I were number. Right. Right. Right. Give it to Chris. Have him call me anytime, and I I you know, whatever it is. You know? Chris, are you on Telegram?
[01:22:34] Unknown:
No. I'm not.
[01:22:37] Unknown:
Okay. I'll pick something up.
[01:22:42] Unknown:
For us to be Now where you're where you're at, Sam. Where where you're at, Sam, you could enter the process and start doing because jurisdiction can be challenged at any time. Yes. It can. And and so you could start now by sending them a correct first letter and demanding that they respond within ten business days. And when they don't, then you could march right down their throat with the notice of fault and the notice of default. Then whenever you get in front of a judge, they'll be in default and you'll have all your green cards to prove that they got the communication and didn't respond. They're required to respond to you.
[01:23:28] Unknown:
Okay, Chris. Wouldn't it be better if I was to go to the clerk's office and have them time stamp a document to that letter? That way I have proof that they have it?
[01:23:39] Unknown:
No. You don't have to do anything with the court. This is what I'm telling you is an administrative countermeasure. You're you're gonna hold court you're gonna hold your own court in under the common law administratively, and you're gonna take the default when they don't respond.
[01:24:00] Unknown:
Right. But they have I have to have records of
[01:24:03] Unknown:
the letter that they received. So I'm gonna have a credit card. Well, you'll have it. You just send a certified return. Stop sending stuff registered. People, stop sending stuff registered. You're paying more, and it takes longer, and it doesn't give you any advantages. Stop it. Go ahead. Turn the receipt. Chris.
[01:24:26] Unknown:
There's there's something there's something you could do if you want more security that way. You could use a notary to do a, what do we call it? You could do a certificate a certificate of mailing from the notary that the notary verifies that they mailed it at a certain time and place.
[01:24:52] Unknown:
Yeah. Mhmm. Yeah. I've used I've used the notary. I've used the notary.
[01:24:57] Unknown:
That's you know?
[01:24:58] Unknown:
I'm sorry. Well, I had to have five witnesses to, document the land patent and the chain of title for it for the documents that we were gonna present to Cook County. Like, again, we took the guy's name down. We have a witness. They copied all of them. He says, well, I'm gonna have to give this to the lawyers. Basically, all he said. This was done last week. I feel more comfortable, and I've noticed that if I bring a document in and I get the clerk stamp on there and I say put it into my administrative file, they cannot deny that. They say we don't have record of it. I don't care. Here it is. Here's your time stamp. This is a copy of it. There there there's nothing they could say.
[01:25:39] Unknown:
They can't deny the effect. Right? There's a question they can't answer and it's the most important question, I think. The question is, to the agent, is by what authority do you claim to have regulatory power over private land that is owned by one of the people, okay, and that is held and protected under land patent so and so signed by President so and so at and at what time, that whole thing. That whole question kills them. They can't answer it.
[01:26:18] Unknown:
That's brilliant.
[01:26:20] Unknown:
That makes sense. That makes a lot of sense.
[01:26:23] Unknown:
That's the point. That that goes right to their throat.
[01:26:26] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. All you gotta do is prove that you have authority. That's all. Sam, I do not have your email.
[01:26:33] Unknown:
Authority over private land and over one of the people and over The United States land patent that's already been signed by the president of The United States.
[01:26:43] Unknown:
Right. Gotcha. Yeah.
[01:26:45] Unknown:
Which says that which says that you have the freeze in the land forever and your heirs and assigns. Right. Forever. That's correct. Yep. Absolutely true. Yep. They can't get around it. No way they can get around it. Right. They never have. Okay.
[01:27:01] Unknown:
Mirka? Mirka? You got a comment? Can connect.
[01:27:03] Unknown:
I sent you an email, Roger. If you can connect me and Chris, I'll connect him with Sam.
[01:27:09] Unknown:
Oh. Yeah. It's an awesome thing. Alright. Okay. Yeah. I don't guys, I don't have to say alright. No, Chris. Worried about anybody. I I don't care if anybody's got my email. It doesn't bother me. Please, I'm right here. Here's my address. This is where I live, and I'm all for it. Well, I just want Put it on. That's it. Put it out over the air, Sam. And, Sam, write it Chris, write it down. Okay. Okay. S s o t I r o p a n o p at proton dot me.
[01:27:43] Unknown:
Oh, proton. That's a good company.
[01:27:45] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. My my son. So Proton. Is really my son is way smarter than me. You know? And he and he's helped me through this. I I know about the land patents, but he's he's more of the, you know, the, the technical details.
[01:27:59] Unknown:
You said Kotak. What?
[01:28:02] Unknown:
Dotme,me, Mary Edward.
[01:28:05] Unknown:
Okay then. Really? Okay. Okay.
[01:28:07] Unknown:
Yeah. That's a really good one. It's a safe one.
[01:28:10] Unknown:
Okay. So it's [email protected].
[01:28:17] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I got it. Okay. Great. Thank you, Chris. Yeah. You could Thank you, Chris. Yeah. Alright. Now, Sam, you need to go back and talk to your son and find out why he's got you filing this ten forty n r. What was the catalyst for him to think you needed to do that? Okay? Are you trying to get money back? Are you what are you trying to do by doing it? That's what we need to know. You know what?
[01:28:46] Unknown:
Right. I agree with you. I just don't want them to come at me and say you owe us you didn't file or whatever. I But what
[01:28:53] Unknown:
find out, please, Sam. Find out why you're doing it. What instructions has he given you to guide you down this path? Please. Okay? Okay. Okay. No. That's, you know, that's that's why I called, Roger. I I know you guys Alright. Well, I can't imagine any any tax needs for these people coming off dividends unless you're one of these wealthy bluebud families that's got 10,000 shares of AT and T and all that. Those dividends might mount up to something. But, unless you got that, I don't know that the IRS would be consider you much of anything, especially in the condition they're in right now. Please let me finish.
Especially in the condition they're in right now with half of their, of employees being cut and a 20 of their offices being closed and the sickle of death hanging over their head from Doge.
[01:29:45] Unknown:
And and thank God and thank God. No. No. I'm not rich, Roger. No. I'm I'm really I'm just
[01:29:51] Unknown:
I'm kinda sad about it. Credit is so
[01:29:54] Unknown:
hold on, Raj. My my credit is so bad right now. They're not accepting my cash.
[01:30:00] Unknown:
Okay, Sam. He didn't get it. Whatever. We got we need to find out what you were in trouble, Raj. I I oh, jeez. He didn't get it. That's alright. Just try and find out why he's got your file in the 1040 and r. That's what this whole salvo opened up with. So if you could, please. Okay. Alright. Brother, I miss you guys. You know? Alright. We missed you too. I've been asking about you, Sam. Mark, what's your, what's your observation here?
[01:30:31] Unknown:
Well, it's it's like this the poor. I can't even pay attention.
[01:30:36] Unknown:
Yeah. That's it. That's it. Yeah. That's it. Yep. Yeah. No. I'm glad I called.
[01:30:44] Unknown:
Alright. So anybody else got any con Annette was trying to get in there a few minutes ago. I think we never could get to her. We've been in a round robin Volley here. So, Annette, are you there?
[01:30:57] Unknown:
Yes.
[01:30:58] Unknown:
I still have a question. Endorsements.
[01:31:00] Unknown:
Restrictive endorsements. So either you, Raj, you or or Mark or, Chris, if if let's say you're on the side of the road and you do a restrictive endorsement, and then do the within the seventy two hours return it with I forgot what's right written across it. If someone can speak on that, I yield.
[01:31:25] Unknown:
Mark? Well talk about a traffic ticket, right? So you're pulled over and they're giving you a traffic ticket and they want you to sign it and you're using some type of restrictive endorsement. So I don't know. That's that's not my area of expertise.
[01:31:40] Unknown:
Well, let me give you an example. Yeah. Yeah. He mentioned it the other day, I think. Let me give you an example of a restrictive endorsement because some of you don't know what that is. For deposit only.
[01:31:52] Unknown:
Yep.
[01:31:53] Unknown:
If you if this is deposited, you agree to that blah blah blah blah blah. Those are restrictive endorsements. They can endorse it and deposit it and and cash it out unless they meet the restrictions. I think Joe did bring that up. It's not a Yeah. But it's tactic. You had a term I've not heard it used in the yeah. I've never used it heard it in the patriot community either, Mark.
[01:32:23] Unknown:
Raj.
[01:32:25] Unknown:
Paul.
[01:32:27] Unknown:
I got a question for Mark. I have a document for you that I need to email over to you. Should I just use straw man or what?
[01:32:37] Unknown:
Yeah. Straw man's fine. [email protected].
[01:32:42] Unknown:
Oh. Okay. [email protected]. What it is is, a nine page document that is nine pages out of, like, a 60 page IRS filing or IRS publication that specifically talks about, frivolous filing and what they consider to constitute frivolous filing.
[01:33:10] Unknown:
So throw that at us lately.
[01:33:13] Unknown:
It's, it's nine it's nine pages, and they specifically talk about, the the person claims to not be a part or not a citizen of The US. It claims that the IRS doesn't have jurisdiction over the whole of The United States,
[01:33:33] Unknown:
claims this, claims that, claims the other thing. I mean, it is literally nine pages typewritten. The IRS IRS got a lot more jurisdiction than over The United States. We were the only country for a long time that they tax you on your foreign income.
[01:33:47] Unknown:
Right. Yeah. So I am, I'm attaching this document to an email and I'm, I'm sure Mark would be I'll rock it in a show to you.
[01:33:58] Unknown:
Yep. I got I got a letter of one time?
[01:34:04] Unknown:
Go ahead, Mark.
[01:34:05] Unknown:
Yeah. There's, I've got a a sample letter that can be used for a frivolous filing. And this basically, if you can get to the degree, say, no, I'm not a US citizen. You can't apply that to me. Yeah. And I can prove basic to it. I could probably summarize it down to one page. It kind of it kind of kills me. A lot of these people out here are writing, you know, pages upon pages of stuff that are just totally unnecessary. And then they want to charge you money for it, you know. And they're never gonna get read. Something that could be super simple.
[01:34:41] Unknown:
They're never gonna get read. Those multi long page documents.
[01:34:46] Unknown:
Right. Especially a 31 page affidavit. Come on. Please. You put in the the document, the more that could be held against you, especially now that it's where
[01:34:55] Unknown:
That's correct. The more statements you make, the more can be challenged also. But mister Strait has gotta justify charging you 4 to $600 for that thing. That's part of the reason it's that long.
[01:35:08] Unknown:
Right. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly.
[01:35:13] Unknown:
Okay. It's it's on its way to you, Mark.
[01:35:17] Unknown:
Alright. Good deal. Who else has got a comment or a question off of this, all this activity we've had here that Sam brought us. Yes. There's a female, I think it's Annette, and a guy. Annette's first. Yes, ma'am?
[01:35:30] Unknown:
I'm sorry about stepping on the other guy. But just, if there was someone in the audience, they can do it later if they want. About what do you write across? Let's say you sign normally and seventy two hours, you know, you you you return it with us going across the the ticket and you write I forgot what.
[01:35:52] Unknown:
That's your Or you could write,
[01:35:54] Unknown:
I think you write no contract.
[01:35:56] Unknown:
No contract. Yep. Yeah. Thank you. Or you could write conditionally you could write conditionally accepted on Comment. From territorial jurisdiction.
[01:36:06] Unknown:
Comment. This is this is Chris from California.
[01:36:09] Unknown:
I'll I'll tell you what you're saying. Joe. Go ahead, Chris. Those restrictive endorsements. She's talking about fond or I'll tell you I'll tell you what we write out. Hold on. Hold on. First of all I was gonna say, Joe, hold on. Chris was was there, and I'll get to you in a second. Go ahead, Chris.
[01:36:28] Unknown:
First of all, on the letter, if you opened it, we might put opened in error or we might not. We never know where letters go. But under their return address, we put in all caps RTS, which is the post office's code for return to sender and we put an arrow up to the return address. Then after that off to the right, we put UTS, three capital letters, which is the post office code for unable to forward. And that's all we do, but we make sure we get it back within seventy two hours.
[01:37:14] Unknown:
Joe? Thank you.
[01:37:15] Unknown:
That starts their process over, and they may send another letter. You just keep doing it. But as soon as we find out a name or whatever, we'll give them a little time. If they come back, then we send them the bomb.
[01:37:34] Unknown:
Do you have that package do you have that package like that as a file Chris that you're willing to share?
[01:37:42] Unknown:
Yes, it's well we use parts of it or all of it depending on how serious the situation is. But, the whole package goes into the entire history of the treaties and the land patent process. They have everything. We put all our evidence right on the table along with many Supreme Court cases. Okay. Well, this really raises an important question. Yeah, we have a broken in the 13 important documents and we call it the abundant due process notice document package.
[01:38:29] Unknown:
This brings up a question, Chris, you said earlier that Ron Gibson's materials were incomplete and complete and everybody in our listening audience that have tried Ron Gibson to get their property real estate off the tax rolls in their county haven't been has not been successful. Have you or somebody in your group been successful in doing that?
[01:38:53] Unknown:
We're working on that now. We want to be successful with that. And I understand there was somebody in Arizona that succeeded. I would like to know I would like to be able to find that find that case or
[01:39:06] Unknown:
find out who that was. I can I don't we never heard the case? We heard what happened. It was from a guy that was a regular participant here. You may have heard him years ago because he was a prolific caller into radio shows. His name is Chris Cave, and he was in Las Vegas. And the property that he told us he had gotten a loyalty old title to was in Northern Arizona, and that's all I know. And he went in a pissing match with them, and he won. And they had to pave his his remedy was for them to pave the road out to his property, which they did. But I can't give you any more directions than that.
[01:39:48] Unknown:
Yeah. That's that's well, that gives us something to start with. Somebody has to know something about it.
[01:39:54] Unknown:
Well, I do have another case that I knew I knew the guy. I don't have his contact information. He was a student of Al Attis. Have you ever heard me tell this story, Chris? I've heard about Al Attis, but I don't know about the story. Okay. Well, this guy was one of his students. He lived down in Oregon somewhere. Al used to complain that he lived in a cat box in Fort Worth, and the guy said, look. I've got a loyal title to my property. I'm building a cabin, and you're free to come out here and live in it. So Al moved. And he moved out there, and they finished the cabin up. And the, right at the end of the process, they put the gas water heater in themselves, and they must have done something wrong because the cabin caught on fire that night. I just come straight from the guy and straight from Al Attis. Okay?
And so the fire department came. The cabin was right next to the road on the property, and the fire engines came up. And they came down and said, we can't come on your property because you're not on the property rolls. And the cabin burned down. K? So I know that guy that did have a loyal title. Those are the only two examples that I've ever personally come in contact with.
[01:41:07] Unknown:
Yeah. I I remember you telling that story. Yeah. That's true. You will have no access to any of those subsidized, though. Right.
[01:41:16] Unknown:
And so here now that begs the question, if that's the same with the fire department, is there other agencies in town that you need to connect with? Because if you're gonna pull your property off the rolls and not have access to their services, I'm gonna suggest that you stroke them a check for about $500 a year at least every year. So now how much are the property taxes that you're trying to avoid that you need to go pay the fire department at least $500? So there's so there's some decisions in there.
[01:41:47] Unknown:
Well, okay. Can I say something, Roger? This is Sam here. You can, Sam. Yeah. To what you just said, from what I understand, and I could be wrong, they cannot come on your property because they're not insured. Because you're not on the property roll, they're yeah. So which is fine. You can do a suppression system, Make sure your house is insured. If it burns down, you collect the money. It is what it is.
[01:42:12] Unknown:
Okay. I'm just telling you the story the way it was told to me. Okay? And if I was gonna personally move to get my property off the property rolls, I'd find out whose services I needed and wanted and go stroke them a check. So is that amount of money balance out your property taxes and the reasons you're trying to get it off the property rolls?
[01:42:36] Unknown:
Yeah. So just a statement.
[01:42:40] Unknown:
Joe? Alright. Annette, is that you again, sweetie?
[01:42:44] Unknown:
Yeah. I was just asking for Joe. He was gonna say something.
[01:42:48] Unknown:
Joe, I'm trying to get to you, man. I'm sorry. We're in a round robin here today, Joe. You're gonna say something about the endorsements, I think.
[01:42:57] Unknown:
Well, I didn't catch all the conversation, but restrictive endorsements are addressed in the uniform commercial code under type, Negotiable instruments.
[01:43:13] Unknown:
Right.
[01:43:14] Unknown:
And if you Okay. If you go to the uniform commercial code, that will give you a good education about how, restrictive endorsements changes or adds to the terms of a negotiable instrument.
[01:43:29] Unknown:
There you go. Thank you, Joe. Thank you, Joe. Okay. Who else got something to add? Roger. Oh, yes, sir. Is that Bob?
[01:43:40] Unknown:
No. This is Thomas. Oh, hey, Thomas. Yeah. No. Years ago, I remember Alfred Adesk was talking with, I forgot her name, oh, Baron, Donna Baron or somebody, and they were talking about basically the promissory note and how you create the actual value of the note at the bank when you sign it. And she was very specific and she said what you've just signed is a unilaterally unrestricted document, which gives them the permission then to basically sell it off into the discount market. Yes. If you put restricted above your signature, you would that that would end that note right there. It would cease to be That turn that stops negotiable
[01:44:29] Unknown:
instrument. That stops the discounting.
[01:44:32] Unknown:
Well, stops it from being having any value because now they can't do anything more with it unless they get you Right. Permission because you just restricted your signature on it according to her. Okay. According to her. She was pretty sharp. Okay. Yeah. Okay.
[01:44:45] Unknown:
Never heard of her before but that didn't mean much.
[01:44:48] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Alfred had her on a lot. She was very she was she was a real she was a chemistry teacher or something and she had she had she figured a lot of stuff out. She was very
[01:44:58] Unknown:
Alright. Good deal. Somebody said Al's still doing shows. Is is he does anybody listen to him? American Freedom Radio or something?
[01:45:08] Unknown:
I tried chasing that down because I was gonna try to get a hold of and I went to American Freedom Radio, and I could not find him on any any, any List. Yeah. Programs. And I have his number. I used to I called him a couple of three times to ask him for advice and stuff over the years, and his number doesn't work anymore.
[01:45:26] Unknown:
So Yeah. He's living with Oh, no. He's living with one of his old listeners. I got an email from him telling me the background. I didn't he didn't say he was doing a radio show, and I just I tried to reach out to Al several times. He never responded, so I figured he wants to go stick his head in a hole somewhere for some reason. So, anyway Is that right? A lot of things that I have figured into that that really apply to what we do here, because several of the important ones came from mister Attiske. Is that Ferris?
[01:46:00] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. Ferris version two point o. That was American
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Voice
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Radio. Oh, okay. Alright. American Voice Radio. Well, okay. Good luck with Thomas.
[01:46:13] Unknown:
Yes. We should chase him down. We should try to chase him down. I just I mean, I I love that guy. I used to listen to him. Yeah. He's a great guy. I'm really I thought we had real good chemistry.
[01:46:22] Unknown:
I don't know where he went south on me, but he did. Yes. Who else is saying something there?
[01:46:28] Unknown:
Yeah. Roger, I'm trying to get in for a while now. Oh, Samuel. I wanted to get, yes, I wanted to get back to you. Yes, it's tough today. It's tough today, buddy. You're one liner for grabbing the people on the show, Russ Rance, regarding what your message is. And I think the best thing I can come up with is your message is about freedom versus slavery, and it's your political, your economic, and your spiritual freedom. Yeah. I think that would pull all of his audience in Well for a listen.
[01:47:03] Unknown:
Okay. Well, I'll see what word words God puts in my mouth tonight, Samuel. Mhmm.
[01:47:09] Unknown:
This is Chris. This is Chris from California. Yeah. Chris. On that note, Roger, would you tell us how we can access the show tonight?
[01:47:17] Unknown:
Well, yeah. I'll probably come right back in here if Paul's able to stream it. It rents his are you not familiar are you not familiar with Jeff Rents, Chris?
[01:47:28] Unknown:
I am familiar with him. Yeah. I've never
[01:47:30] Unknown:
Okay. What? That's what we have. Alright. Well, it's r e alright. His website, if you wanna listen direct, is rense.com. And it's a very, very busy website. Okay? But the the radio section is over on the left a little bit down from the top, and it'll say sometimes whose guest is. It links to another page. He's got his own radio network too. David Deaton over there, and he's got other people on over there. So but it's right there on the left, just down from the top, and you can go through listen live or listen here or whatever. He's got his own player embedded. You shouldn't have any problems. Just Julie.
[01:48:15] Unknown:
Yeah. It's rent radio. It's rentradio.com.
[01:48:19] Unknown:
Okay. Well, I think if you hit that button, it transfers you over to that.
[01:48:23] Unknown:
I I I went on rent, and I didn't get I went on rent. It didn't transfer me over. It came to some sort of,
[01:48:28] Unknown:
site that was not recognizable. So I just wanted to give you an FYI. He's got a he's got a listen live button on there. Somehow, it gets you over to a player. K? I've used it before, so I know that. What's the time? Your time, 06:00.
[01:48:44] Unknown:
Six o'clock, California. Okay. Yep.
[01:48:49] Unknown:
Yep. So, that's what's going on there. Who else has got so I wanna go back and hit this again because Roger, when I'm up, I don't know if you had a dial in number to listen. You can you can dial in and listen. I believe they got a way to listen digitally. When you and Sam were talking, Chris, both you and Sam said that you used registered mail. So let's go back and look at this again. For a couple of years, I used to work for Pitney Blows. It's Bose, but we affectionately call it Blows. And we knew more about postal regulations than the people at the post office.
We had to to go out and sell mailing machines. Okay? Registered mail is only, o n l y, only for things with intrinsic value, gold, silver, bear bonds, stocks, those kind of things. You have to go to all you pay extra and it takes longer. It's got the red label. And the reason that is that way is because everybody that touches it has to sign for it because it's supposedly got intrinsic value. If it stays at a post office overnight, it goes into a locked cage. Everybody it takes longer because everybody has to sign it. Okay? And it costs more. Use certified return receipt requested.
Just because it costs more and it's red, doesn't mean it's better unless it's got intrinsic value. Post office got a pretty good track of delivering stuff, folks, for the amount of mail that they handle.
[01:50:31] Unknown:
Okay? Yeah. I have a com I have a comment about that.
[01:50:34] Unknown:
Okay. Go ahead. When we use certified mail, often,
[01:50:38] Unknown:
we got the green card back without a signature,
[01:50:42] Unknown:
or we never even got the green card back. Uh-huh. You know Right. They're very sloppy. Very sloppy with certified mail. But they're not Well, you're saying that okay. Not Hold on, Chris. Because, you know, they they handle tens of millions of pieces of mail a day. That single slip of paper through all that processing, sometimes it gets lost. It goes in a magazine. It does something else. So Yep. That you could get it back. Hold on, please. It's not recognition that it wasn't received. You can go online and put that tracking number in, and it'll give you all the correct information. K?
I'm just saying. You don't need to do that. If you listen. If you want to spend more money and do all that stuff, you go do it. I'm just telling you the way the post office works. Okay?
[01:51:30] Unknown:
I understand.
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So I If I may.
[01:51:37] Unknown:
Yes, sir. Samuel.
[01:51:39] Unknown:
Yeah. Chris, I just wanna let you know that there we've had our guy by the name of Terry Leon after hours in the past, and he is making the claim that they have removed three properties in three different counties up in Washington State from the tax rolls. And I think Terry also knows a lot about signatures because he uses those. I'm not quite clear on what he's actually doing, but I think I know what I would do and I would change my signature for my common law stuff versus my statutory commercial world. But anyway, he's got a guy that I'm trying to get us to get more contact with to understand this process that they're using to do this.
[01:52:31] Unknown:
And if I could add if I could tag on to Samuel's comment, one thing Terry Lee did mention is he had a, what's that called, an inspector of a house look over his paperwork, and he says he told him, you need to keep doing it because but, basically, you don't wanna stop because, that that I forgot what he said. But, basically, whatever you're doing, keep doing it and don't stop is basically was the net symbol of it, a yield. Yes. And he is a contractor. So he's working
[01:53:06] Unknown:
in the very much the public, but he keeps it private, which is really the key to staying out of this commercial world the way I look at it.
[01:53:20] Unknown:
We do that too. We have special contracts that we use that specify that it's under the common law. According to law in California, people who hire you for services have the right to presume that you're a licensed contractor unless you let them know in writing upfront that you're not. And that's what we do.
[01:53:45] Unknown:
K. Well, we got a lot of folks that are attracted to our show here that have extensive, legal background like Chris, obviously, Mark, and some of you others. We really appreciate you. And, some of the ones that didn't have that knowledge are trying to quickly catch up.
[01:54:04] Unknown:
Roger, one of the reasons I couldn't find you after Joyce's show is I didn't get the information on how to find you. And it was Chris Cave when he got in trouble that I found out that you had a program, and that's when I got on.
[01:54:20] Unknown:
Okay. Well, I remember the first day you called. Sure do.
[01:54:24] Unknown:
Boy, I miss that guy right there. Y'all would have loved him if you didn't know who he was. Because we all certainly did. Do what? Is that you again, Chris? Guess not. Okay. Well, we're looking towards the end of the program. We got a couple of minutes left. Does anybody wanna add anything to today's brisk conversation or got something new you wanna bring up and you haven't been able to get it in? Now's a good time.
[01:54:58] Unknown:
K. Roger, I guess I guess the moral of that story is make sure that Rents posts your contact information so people can find you.
[01:55:06] Unknown:
Oh, don't worry. I'm sure we'll cover it. I'm gonna I'm gonna send him a copy of my book and let him put it up free for download, because we don't have a printed copy available now because of the assholes at the book patch, quite frankly.
[01:55:24] Unknown:
K? Yeah. I think I got my copy through. I re
[01:55:27] Unknown:
I refuse to work with them anymore. K? I gotta go find someplace new and get some of y'all who know what you're doing to get this thing uploaded and see if we can get it available again. And boy, does it piss me off. Did you? You know what really you know what really accumulated all this? Is the book Padgett found United Slaves of America. And all all of us wanted to make it available, but it get it. Get it. Do it too. And I could never get them to respond to any phone calls or emails. So I didn't ask them. I just gave Deborah, this girl that used to be a publisher in New York, the, credentials to get in and put it on my account, not knowing because I couldn't get any response from those assholes, that you can't put two different authors in the in the same, let's say, account.
And that screwed everything up. And it just got to be a nightmare, man. And I can't get this guy to return stuff. I'm asking him for an audit. He says the thing hadn't paid out since 02/2005, yet I know we've gotten royalty payments. Can we do an audit? He refuses to answer me. Yes, Bruce.
[01:56:35] Unknown:
Hey. Joe Olesica told us how to do a promissory note, with the stamps, and that would pay for your, fire department, to come protect your house.
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Okay. I'm just telling you, if you do a loyal title, stroke the people that you need. K? Just smart. Yeah. Alright? I don't know how you do it. Solve the problem. Yes.
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This This is Chris from California. We solved the problem. We have 40 solar panels, and we have our own fire truck and water tanks.
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Okay. Well, a lot of people can't do that, but I'm glad you solved it. Okay?
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Roger, did you, ever hear of Antelope Hill for publishing the book? Because they take a lot of banned books, and they that's kind of their mission, Antelope Hill.
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I don't even know who that is. I've never heard of them.
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Yeah. There are publisher of books, that might be a place to get it. When was the last edition of I don't know if you had made any changes to it. No. When was the last edition that you '2 about 02/2011.
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I don't we I haven't edited and made any changes because it's it's such a well, it's just a damn hell of a good book the way it is. And I haven't wrote written anything because I hate writing, quite frankly. So no. They they need that done, and I don't know who that is you're talk Angela Fields?
[01:58:06] Unknown:
Antelope Hill. Like a antelope animal and a hill. Uh-huh. Hill, h I l l. Yeah. A lot of historical books, very, banned books, etcetera.
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Okay. Do they do by the order? Because what I need is to print by the order. I think Amazon's got one that's associated with them, and I might have to go over and use that. So we're about out of time today, anyway. It's just a a frustration for me, you know, dealing with these people. Because when Victor Ostrovsky was alive, the place ran good. But he's dementia now, and these two people have taken over under his daughter getting control of him. And this one guy is just an absolute prick. He just will not answer any kind of questions. That's why I had a good listener.
I had to put out a call on the air to find a listener who lived there to follow a return address from Julie's order to even get the information I've got now. It's just ridiculous. I refuse to deal with them anymore. Yes. What do you got? See you later, doctor. I've heard
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I've heard about a dozen or so people, you know, authors
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put their books on Amazon, and they've been screwed royally. So I wouldn't do that. I would be Well, I'll I'll try and find someplace decent, but I ain't gonna work with the book patch anymore. They're just I think the people are I think this guy's stealing the money, quite frankly. You don't not answer questions and requests unless you got something to hide. Okay? So anyway, it's not enough money to go hire a law firm. It's just an absolute pain in the ass. And now you gotta stop everything you're doing and concentrate on this. When I don't even care about the money. You know, Roger, I just remembered,
[01:59:56] Unknown:
Hartford Van Dyke, he wrote a bunch of books, and I spoke to a guy somewhere. His wife, Evelyn, hooked me up with, and he was printing, Hartford's books for him in the end there. And Yeah. I'm gonna try and dig that number out. Well, this is a And this is a special time to deal with.
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Okay. Well, if he'll do print by the order, we'll we'd love to talk to him. K? So otherwise, if any of y'all know somebody that does that, somebody places an order, they print a book. Somebody placed an order for 50 books, they print 50 books and send them to them. Well, that's what we need. On demand. That's exactly what it is. Thank you.
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You're welcome. Alright. I'll see if I can move that up and get it to Paul.
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Alright. Be good, Dave. Thank you. Okay. Well, is
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So anyone else? Still there. Yeah. Chris, Chris. There. What was the name of his Discord channel? It sounded like Wise Stone, w I s e s t o n e. I think it was Dan.
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It wasn't Chris. It was Dan. Dan, are you still with us? Dan, up in Mass? You must have cut out. So I thought it was something. I don't I don't remember, Mark, but I know what you're talking about. WiseDome.
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WiseDome. I believe. Oh, with a d. So w
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I s d Like wisdom with an e.
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Oh, okay. Right.
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Wisdom without an e. Who gotcha? Yeah. Yeah. Without the e with the e on the end. Yeah.
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Yeah. Okay. Doesn't sound like wise dome, but
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Yeah. I I I think that's what it was, Mark.
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W
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I s d o m? E.
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I've got W I S E D 0 M or D 0 M E. There we go. Okay.
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Wise Dome. Alright. Thank you.
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Yeah. Like, for like, Samuel's freedom, d u m b. So alright. Who else has got something for me right now? Alright. Good conversive show today. And, thank you, all that contributed. Good to see you back, Sam. And I'll, see y'all tonight on Rents and tomorrow with Brent. Good luck. Blessings, Roger. Roger? Thank you. But I think they say break break a leg break a leg in show business. Yes, Julie.
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Yeah. Mark, it's Wysdome. I just got the text from Dan. It's w I, s as in Sam, e as in elephant, d as in dog, o, m as in mother, e as in elephant. That's the name of it. Okay. There you go.
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Thank you. Thank you, Julie. Alright. Okay, kiddos. See you tonight. And, break a leg on all that good stuff. I'm sure we'll do fine, and you may have some new folks around here tomorrow. They may be shocked if Brent's on there. But, anyway, that's what we'll hold, and we'll take it from there. And love each and every one of you. Ciao.
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Ciao.
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Julie. There it is. Hi. Yes. Hi.
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It's Samuel. Are you doing anything with high priestess treason?
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I'm reading it.
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Okay. I found the PDF.
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You did good.
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But it's a pay for kind of site that gives you, like, a few pages and shows you the content and stuff.
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But I think you have to pay I have I have the same site you had and have you have to borrow the book. I didn't wanna borrow it. Yeah.
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So what we need to do is figure out how to get it printed.
[02:03:59] Unknown:
Yes, I need to get it scanned into I'll get it scanned in. I just need to get it scanned in so I can just send it to you guys.
[02:04:07] Unknown:
Okay, cool. Wonderful. And what I'm really curious about is there any more detail on his nine steps that he has on Page 67 of his Fruits from a Poisonous Tree book.
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Okay. Let me look that up.
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Which is what I'm going to call the trust
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and the account they have for us and how we access it.
[02:04:32] Unknown:
Now there is a there are some sites out there that I found since we last spoke about turning your bills into bills of exchange where, but my, again, I'm going back to the same thing I went back to before, I don't think these people are sending these bills to the proper parties. So,
[02:04:56] Unknown:
Well, if you look at the first step that Stamper has of his nine steps, the first thing I think that's telling you is you need to have an affidavit at the Secretary of the United States disclaiming your citizenship as a fourteenth Amendment citizen. I think that's the first step. If you read if you read Stanford's book, you gotta understand he doesn't know about the term national status. But he expatriated out of those the lowercase c citizenship and back into the republic, and he sent his affidavits of facts to the secretary of the United States at the time, which I think was Madeleine Albright.
Have you noticed that step number one, what it says there? That you have to register with the secretary of of the secretary of state?
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Hold on here because I need to pull the book out that I have.
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I keep mentioning that to people and and and and and they don't seem to understand that what I think is actually happening there. I think that's what he's saying. In order to make the process work, you've got to be a national. I mean, that's what I get out of it. Tell me I'm wrong. Here, I'll read it out loud. Number one, your claim to being one of the people must appear on the public register, parentheses, the secretary of state.
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That's step number one. So that's telling me
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you have to be a national in order to have access to that account. And he called the insurance policy that covers your remedy is is house joint resolution 192. I know people want to argue about the well that's the resolution, but no, that's their insurance policy.
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What page are you on in magicians? It's a script from a poisonous tree. Right. And there's a chapter called Magicians. I think you're in that chapter. Right? Yes. I am. I'm on page 67. Okay. Sorry. Here.
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Hey, guys. Not to change the topic too much, but Judge Dale, you ever heard of Judge Dale?
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Yes. I think he's probably a quack, but
[02:07:53] Unknown:
Well, he there is on RBN, republicbroadcasting dot org, go to video, archives. Yeah. There is about a thirty minute, a twenty five or twenty six minute video of him. Well, it's I guess it's a woman speaking for him, but it's his words, all about the Seskeby Trust and how to access getting your needs met by the corporate government that had the coup
[02:08:35] Unknown:
and stole the gold. Can you repeat that again, please?
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Pardon me? The website? Yeah, please. It's republicbroadcasting.org and it's video archives. It's about halfway down, I think,
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on the site,
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on the front page, maybe, but it's Judge Dale. Dale, d a l e? I think it's d a l e. I haven't seen it, but my friend was playing it for me, on the phone today, while he was at the Hay auction and
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and so Dave, I've never been able to find anything out about him and I've I've also got his he's got a publication, a small book. I've got that. But I've never been able to find out if he's a real character or not.
[02:09:26] Unknown:
I think my friend said he retired in 2013, and I he didn't have much more information than that. But the information that I was listed, I didn't hear the whole thing. We both had to run, but, we're supposed to hook up today. So you can play that for me and show me exactly, you know, how I can tell Pam to get there on the website. But it's everything exactly what we've been taught about, you know, maritime, admiralty, water, you know, the gold being stolen and they have to meet our needs. But they don't tell us. Now what he what what I did hear them say was that when you get a statement, you know, a statement is just an accounting of of your of something that's already been paid. Right?
And you got it what you do is you write on your statement from your utility company, for instance, they said, that you accept it for value, you sign it, and you send it back. And then they said if you get it if you hear back from them, you know, when they question things, you tell them you want a true bill. You never get one. And it goes away because they are getting paid from the treasury. It's already paid.
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I've done it. It didn't work. He did that? Yeah. And he has a book regarding that. So Okay.
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Now what happened when you heard back from the utility?
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They wanted to turn me over to collections and come after me like they normally would.
[02:11:05] Unknown:
Okay. So why didn't they send you a true bill? They have to. They have to give you an accounting. Now, according to
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whatever we were listed to telling you that's as far as I took it.
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A couple of weeks ago, they said, no, you don't send it back to them. You send it to the Treasury. You know, you got to make that Z on it and right across the diagonal, you know, whatever. And I don't have those details, but, you send it to the Treasury and they discharge it. They have to have a provision. If they stole the money and you can't pay a debt with a debt, you know,
[02:11:42] Unknown:
they just Yeah. That's what's the other thing about this nine step process. I I trust him more than I do Dale. And Stamper's first step is basically you've got to be a in order to even begin to approach this, you've got to be a state citizen, I think. You can't be a federal subject.
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Okay.
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And he's saying that you're mentioning joint resolution 192 because it's he says 192 on 06/05/1933 is their policy to ensure they are not convicted of treason. Well, there you go. They know what they did, yet you can't take it to court because this is your remedy, because they'll throw it out in court because you didn't take this remedy because they gave it to you. So you don't have any standing when you bring a suit against this thing.
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Right. But they won't honor the remedy, is that what you're saying?
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Well, they didn't do it Judge Dale's way is what I'm saying. What Stanford is doing here is a bit more complex, yet I think there's detail missing and I was hoping that would be in his first book, which is not being published anymore and Julie bought a copy of High Priestess Treason. It's like maybe I thought there might be a little bit more detail onto what he's speaking about in these nine steps in the book. But I could just be a dolt and not getting the whole thing myself. So, you know.
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If you, if you look at page if you look at number six on page 67 in Mel Stanford's book, it says you must transmit your instrument back into the public through an agent, your registered debtor. And
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so I'm not sure who that is. Yeah. What the hell does that mean?
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Because no. Can I tell you something? If you look at I researched before. You are the debtor and you are the creditor of your SESP KB trust. So I'm trying to figure out where who do you send that back to? The Treasury? The IMF? The, I just haven't I think that's why these things are getting rejected.
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Well, your registered
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debtor may well be your uppercase name if you know Stanford. It is. It is. It's your straw man. It's your straw man.
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So, you know, that that's for voting and Roger Scholl, but,
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but that was on But that was on But that was on But that was on but that was on But that was on But that was on But that was on But that was on But that was on But that was on But that was on But that was on But that was on But that was on But that was on But that
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well, actually, to get this, you're probably gonna have to do the whole book.
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But I am.
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But if you if you start with Magicians, you get a good feeling for Stamper's whole deal here. And he starts out with his affidavit to the Secretary of State. That's the beginning of the book, just so you know that. And that's what he's saying is your first step here in this. You claim of being one of the people must appear on the public register, the Secretary of State.
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Anyway.
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Just thinking that this is where
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Yeah. This is
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Listen here as an instrument, you used old checks that you may have laying around even if they had a comma closed, that's what you're using to do the movement of this instrument.
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But I don't know what I've learned so far, and this is not just through the book, but just through research is that you take the payment coupon and you write accepted at the top. Under accepted, you write for deposit. And then on the bottom left, you put pay to the order of bearer or pay to bearer and you could you can put the name. In the middle, you write the amount in word form and on the back of it, you write your name by, you know, your your lowercase name and you put four, your all caps name and under and underneath that you put without recourse. But I haven't tried any of this stuff because the people I've spoken to have had their stuff sent back.
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Okay.
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So I'm trying to figure out where to send this and I'm reading the Federal Reserve section 16 right now, and trying to figure out how to test this out. But I'm Can you hear me through it? Reading I need to finish reading Fruit of a Poisonous Tree, and I'm going to look in the, Priests of High Trees and to see if there's anything in there regarding that, but I didn't see it. It was more talking about the IRS and John Benson and how Mel Stanford came across all of this. Thank you, Bill Benson not adhering to the IRS.
[02:17:09] Unknown:
Julius, if I may. I sent you the UCC one, the PDF, it's 12 pages with the court case. And this was a mortgage matter, but it's the same principle I believe. And on the basically someone who had archived the work that the Floridian folks had done with that case where they forensically went into the case how the mortgage got dismissed and the foreclosure went away. And so it's 12 pages. You can see the court. I haven't gone on to the online, if I could find that in Florida, but the stamps look legit. And I think that they say right on the e mail that I sent to you, they say right on that this is the only UCC-one they've ever seen work and they named all caps name as the debtor as well as the hospital birth as the debtor.
And so that that's but I did locate that actual physical PDF and I emailed it to you how you Thank you very much for sending that. I'll have to look at it this weekend for sure. And I don't know if that's what Stanford is referring to when he says you must name the debt debt or like I don't know with Stanford when he wrote that book if UCC I believe it probably was there, UCC existed. So and there's hundreds if not millions of UCC statements issued every day I guess.
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Yeah. There's
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a there's a there's a whole chapter in this book on the high priest of treason. Chapter 10, the title is Judges Lie, l I e. I yield. Sorry, Sherry.
[02:19:06] Unknown:
Oh, no. That's okay because that's a good intro into what I was gonna speak about. Are you all familiar with the office of the solicitor general? And I'll tell you when I became familiar with it, it was after 09:11. And then at that time, the solicitor general's wife was on the plane that left Boston. And, you know, she supposedly died. I really don't know what happened that day or not, but that's when I found out that that office existed. Now the solicitor general is the one who knows law, common law, foreign law, the authority of The U. S.
And, represents The U. S. Before the supreme court. So there's a letter that, was issued on 02/25 this year, because senator Grassley asked if Trump had the authority to remove administrative law judges. And she said yes. That they are no longer defending defending ALJs in multilayer removal process. That it's unconstitutional. I find that quite interesting. And since all your state, county, and city of courts are administrative law judges under the federal franchise, it would apply to them as well. I yield.
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Hey, Jane.
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Does anybody have does anybody have Kristen's email from California?
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Roger does is my understanding. It's what I heard today.
[02:21:10] Unknown:
My email is [email protected]. Well, thank you, Chris. I didn't know you were on here still. I was listening. I'm getting ready to go somewhere, but I kept it on. Very interesting. So just [email protected]?
[02:21:29] Unknown:
That's correct. Thank you so much. Sure. We learned a lot from you, Chris. Thank you for sharing all that information. Glad to help. And I'm glad you have a fire truck truck on your premises. I mean, God bless you for that because that's how we have we got It used to be the fire truck that was owned and used by Santa Barbara. Yeah. Are those of you guys who, you know, might be saying stuff like, well, I could never afford that or whatever. There's a lot of ways you can get things that are literally like one tenth of the price of the original price that original price that work just as good. Like, you can literally go to, Home Depot and Lowe's and ask them for their rental tools department.
A lot of times, they'll sell those rent tools that they rent out, like, aeration machines for your lawn. For you'd be shocked at how much my friend bought one and these things were like $10,000 plus and got it for like $200 and split it, with two neighbors. And so, you know, they both use it, I think maybe four neighbors. I think they only paid like $50 each. And now they, you know, don't have to pay a lawn person to come and aerate their lawn. So there's a lot of ways to get things. And like like Chris just said, you can buy some of these things that are have been in service that worked perfectly well, but they've been replaced by new items. Hi, Yield.
[02:22:59] Unknown:
Yeah, I'll comment on that. This particular fire engine, We got it from a guy down in Fallbrook and he used it in parades for many years and it started right up. It's an excellent condition. I'll be going down there and getting it soon and driving at home. Also today, I'm going and I only paid $1,200 for it by the way. So we got it on Facebook marketplace. You find some great deals there. It's incredible. Today, we're going to get a sawmill from Hemet and to use out at our farm to make our own lumber. And, that's only give me $750 for this all. I don't know what's up.
So, you know, you never know what you're gonna find. We're also connected with a nonprofit organization. So sometimes we get things just donated.
[02:23:50] Unknown:
Wow. Hey Chris, I have a question for you. Yeah. I didn't know about all this stuff until recently. So I probably already got screwed by my county. But if a county has an easement on your land for a walkway and your trees are sticking out on that easement, do they have the right to tell you, you have to cut them back?
[02:24:20] Unknown:
Well, I would think that would be up to them if they want to cut them back and I think they could because if they have a recorded easement, it would be some maintenance, it would be a form of maintenance for the easement. But, I don't think you would have to cut them back. But if a limb fell on somebody, you know, you might be liable.
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Okay. Thank you. Thank you.
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Hello. Hello, Chris. Could you please give email again?
[02:24:51] Unknown:
Your email again, please? Email again. Okay. It's media,media,xmen,men,@gmail.com.
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Media, m e g I a?
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Let me d I a. M e d I a. Media. Okay. Media. Okay. Media.
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X
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men, like the movie X Men. Oh, media X Men. Alright. Yeah. We're legal X Men.
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Alright. Thank you.
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@gmail.com.
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At g mail dot com. Oh, okay. Sure.
[02:25:41] Unknown:
Yeah. We we are known as paper terrorists.
[02:25:47] Unknown:
Julie, I was wondering how many of these people said they got their instruments returned, our nationals.
[02:25:59] Unknown:
I don't have a, I don't have account for that.
[02:26:03] Unknown:
Probably none.
[02:26:07] Unknown:
No. Meaning, they are you talking about the ones that tried to pay their, turn their bills or statements into bills of exchanges? Because I do know that I just don't have a number that, they got bills back saying They were not paid with past due balances on the new one.
[02:26:32] Unknown:
Well, if I'm right about what Stanford is saying, I guess is my point is that's like the first step is you have to
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recognize with the Secretary of State. Yes, I get it. One of the people, yes.
[02:26:48] Unknown:
That's just a feeling that I have about the whole thing. If somebody if more of us read that section in Stamper's book, there's quite a bit of detail there. I really don't understand all of the legal terminology that he's used in etcetera.
[02:27:09] Unknown:
Yes. He cares about loans and banking
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and that stuff is like
[02:27:16] Unknown:
Yes. Well, it says on here that you have to have an account with the banker for The United States. So which banker is that? It's the Secretary of Treasury. So I think your account there is your all caps name. Right?
[02:27:31] Unknown:
Yeah. I think so. I
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And then it says you must have given notice on your reservation of routing numbers through the National Debt
[02:27:46] Unknown:
And on page 68, he says the charging party is instructed to mail the discharge instrument to the secretary of transportation. I think it's Title 46 has sufficient evidence to support that, the proposition that the Secretary is the trustee over all vessels mortgaged by The United States.
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It says some. Some or all.
[02:28:12] Unknown:
Some or all vessels mortgaged by The United States. Yes. If you're a debtor person and he he's writing that in upper case. Yep. So, you know.
[02:28:22] Unknown:
Well, that's interesting. So again, Secretary of Transportation. Wow.
[02:28:27] Unknown:
Yeah. It is presumed to regulated by the Secretary of Transformation through the Maritime Industry Administration. That is the proper party to assist in processing the non cash item. The Secretary of Transportation can forward the item to the Secretary of the Treasurer, who already has been notified to prepare the non cash activity in your TreasuryDirect account on the bill of exchange. Now I'm not saying that just because I read that I understand it. That's
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why I want more people to stick their nose in there. Yeah. But look at look at paragraph look at paragraph three. It says The United States and its co business partners are debtors to you. You are the creditor, not only over your debtor. This is what I was trying to tell you guys before. On the left side of the t account for the accounting ledger, that's your all caps name, and you're the debtor, but you're also the creditor. You are the primary creditor on the right hand side. That's your labor. So if The United States has other creditors like the international bankers, they cannot jump to the front of the line. Their claims are subordinated to your claims if your claims are registered and if you understand the law surrounding what you are doing. This is not detailed in high priests of treason, I don't think, but I need I need the weekend to read this stuff. This is incredible.
[02:29:57] Unknown:
Cool. I'm glad you're on it because I think you understand the subject better than I do. I always knew it was there, and I've asked people like Joe to look into it and stuff, but I never really had Joe get back to me on it in any kind of detail as well to
[02:30:13] Unknown:
see if we could understand this better. And I, you know, I I think, I think Joe is is busy. I am gonna be taking one of his classes tonight, so I'll have to relisten to the replay with Roger.
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And
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Anybody here can anybody hear me?
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Yep.
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Hey. This is
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I got I got something that if if you can hear me and and and I'm there's no interference or anything. Hey. This is Rich in Huntsville.
[02:30:51] Unknown:
I hear
[02:30:53] Unknown:
this out, and hopefully my dog is not going to get in the way. Some seems to get jealous whenever I I start talking. But, I had an insurance company that I was paying for regular homeowners insurance. But here a couple of years ago, things got so bad, I couldn't afford it anymore. So I made a I worked out a deal with with my homeowners insurance people, And what I did was I started to pay instead of coverage for the house, I just paid coverage for the contents within the house, which basically they offered me renters insurance. So I did that, I I did that. I paid every month renter's insurance and my, my vehicle my vehicle insurance was also a part of that.
And the strange thing was when the when I got the, county tax, My county tax was all of a sudden skyrocketed to like $1,200 a year, which normally was just $600 a year. So
[02:32:49] Unknown:
I'm wondering
[02:32:56] Unknown:
if the Feds have anything to do with or the taxing authorities have anything to do with this, it's like they've intervened or something because when I got that 11 or 12 oh, I think it was 11 or $1,200 for the property tax, I contacted them and I told them I own the house. I just couldn't afford to pay for the structure. I just wanna pay for the the the contents of the inside of the house. So when I told them that, they re they redid my taxes, my property taxes, and then lowered them back down to $600 a year. So, does anybody does anybody know what
[02:33:57] Unknown:
what might have happened with,
[02:34:02] Unknown:
with paying property tax and have an insurance that doesn't pay for the structure of the house, just pays, renter's insurance?
[02:34:20] Unknown:
This is my feeling about it is that you probably could have made any complaint about not being able to afford the increase. And it's up to them if they want to lower it or not. That's the way it is here. Like say, if I went in right now and I said, listen, this is going too high. I don't know how you can justify it based on what this really is that is owned by me, etcetera, how you can value it at this amount, etcetera. And a lot of times, they will adjust it down. So it might have been just because you squeaked, you got oiled.
[02:35:02] Unknown:
That's And there is there is kind of field process for assessments.
[02:35:07] Unknown:
You can go ahead and appeal the assessment. Is Dave in the phone there?
[02:35:13] Unknown:
Well, hold on. May I put a thought in about this subject? And it's, they they probably slapped an insurance policy on it because, you know, it is their property. And since you didn't insure it, they were going to. I yield.
[02:35:36] Unknown:
Dave Dave in the thumb?
[02:35:42] Unknown:
Hey. What's up, Scott? What's up, Scott? I the only the only archive I could find on The Republic was shocking confessions of retired judge Dale are our lives alive. That's it. Yep. That's the one. Okay. So everybody, it's in the chat. I yield.
[02:36:00] Unknown:
Thank you.
[02:36:03] Unknown:
Yes. Thank you, Sketch.
[02:36:06] Unknown:
You may wanna play it. It's only, like, twenty five minutes or something. Well, I I think we'd have to defer to mister Baldridge of the being earnest, to do that. And I don't know if, Sheldon's still on, but or or, Samuel, didn't last time that Terry Lee came on, he said he was developing a website. Do we know that it's online now? Anybody?
[02:36:38] Unknown:
I yield.
[02:36:39] Unknown:
I haven't heard anything.
[02:36:41] Unknown:
Sheldon is the real contact in all this. I didn't listen to the last time he was on, unfortunately.
[02:36:53] Unknown:
Hi, Yield.
[02:36:57] Unknown:
This is, Paul from Kentucky. Is the gentleman still on who was talking about the homeowners renter's insurance?
[02:37:14] Unknown:
Yes.
[02:37:17] Unknown:
Yes.
[02:37:19] Unknown:
Okay. I'm not sure. I'm not an expert. I'm not even in the insurance industry. I did have, a good friend who requested lower rates and, on his automobile. And they he he has what's considered a commercial vehicle, and he uses it for his business and, to transport equipment. And, he was in an accident. Actually, he he didn't hit anybody. His vehicle popped out of gear and hit a hit a pole. And he had full coverage, and and he tried to turn it in. And the insurance company denied him, And he you know, they said he should have known to have commercial insurance.
And now he does, but that was their segue out of it. And so I was just as a suggestion, you know, encouraging you to throw caution to the wind that generally renters insurance is for renters, not homeowners. You may be perfectly within your your, liability there, but I just I'd hate to see something happen to your home and property, and then your insurance company come back and say, well, you know, we can only sell renters insurance to renters or if you have renters insurance and you own a home, you have to carry homeowners in addition to and then not pay out at all. Because in my personal opinion from my experience, rarely do I find an insurance company that is eager to pay a a claim. Usually, they they kick and scream. So again, that's not a guaranteed thing. I just wanted to make a suggestion and I yield.
[02:39:29] Unknown:
Thank you.
[02:39:32] Unknown:
Can somebody elaborate on the comment when Roger was on about the signature that you're using, I mean, I know I will use the C1.08, but the restricted signature that you put restricted on there is my question.
[02:40:03] Unknown:
Can you hear me? Yep. Yeah, I don't know. He was talking about what's called restrictive endorsement. And so I've always heard that if you're pulled over by a police officer, you get the police officer's name, you get the police officer's badge number, you tell the police officer that you're not, you're not driving or conducting a commercial activity. You're traveling. And when you get the ticket, you tell the police officer you're signing it under duress and you record it on your phone. And you just you don't sign it, you autograph it. You put by colon your first name dash middle name colon your last name.
You put UCC one-three zero eight and underneath that you put all rights reserved without prejudice under duress. And you make sure that you sign you you use blue ink. Make sure that some of that blue ink bleeds on to some of the traffic ticket printed information so they can't redact it. That's what I've heard. I yield.
[02:41:21] Unknown:
I know he said something separate under respect, he signed it restricted, I've never heard that before. That was kind of weird and that's why I had the question.
[02:41:36] Unknown:
Well, I don't know if what I've mentioned is an actual restrictive endorsement or not. Sherry would probably know that better than I. I know that an example of a restrictive endorsement would be when you write something like for deposit only. I'm not sure if what I described is a restrictive endorsement or not. Somebody else would probably know.
[02:42:00] Unknown:
Then going back on to the signing of the check or signing of the statement that you're sent by the corporation, The UCC-one, you have to get the FedStop information that he got through the UCC-one and the UCC-three is how you gain that self information.
[02:42:35] Unknown:
I'm just saying it's very rare that you have to sign a a traffic ticket these days on the side of the road. I know in Arkansas, you do not.
[02:42:46] Unknown:
And I agree with you,
[02:42:55] Unknown:
I was
[02:42:56] Unknown:
wondering how you make sure that the blue ink bleeds on to the rest of the ticket.
[02:43:05] Unknown:
You just use the blue ink and you run it over onto the ink. You just write over where the printed stuff is, Sketch.
[02:43:14] Unknown:
Yeah. And that was Dave. Hey. I would just say, you know, x through the top part of it. I yield.
[02:43:24] Unknown:
Yeah. I don't think you assign anything in Idaho and Washington and across, at the side side of the road. I think they just give it to you and you can choose to, to do with the instrument what you're going to do. Conditionally accepted upon proof of territorial jurisdiction because basically this federal imprint is just there are really no circuit courts, they're called circuit courts, but they're all federal. And you can walk into a court and challenge them right there. They're not they can't proceed because their jurisdiction is your is different from your status, I yield.
[02:44:06] Unknown:
I was always told, if you receive a ticket, it's a contract and you can ride at a 45 degree angle in Red Ink. You have a seventy two hour right to rescission on any contract, and you ride across there in Red Ink. I do not wish to, enter into this contract. And I've heard that works. I've never tried it, but I've heard that works. I yield.
[02:44:41] Unknown:
Refused for cause without dishonor, without recourse to me.
[02:45:37] Unknown:
Yes, the latest one that I was learning about was the fact that actually everybody's conscripted into the military rule by this citizenship, by this federal citizenship to conscription and post offices and courthouses are basically flying the flag of conscription. That is a really good way to look at it. So if you prove your status as a man on the articles of Confederation land, can actually bring war crimes, charges against these if they proceed once they know that. According to The Hague, that's awesome because they're trespassing on the law of nations when they pursue you if they and you've warned them and they continue.
That is awesome. I don't know if anybody's ever heard of Chappie, but he had a show and he had Boris on there and they were Boris and Jimbo were talking about that and they break it down.
[02:46:59] Unknown:
What was that, that was referring to? What book or what book was that referring to?
[02:47:11] Unknown:
I was referring to a rumble video on one of the channels. It might be law of course, but the title of it was Militia to Opposed Kearny? And it was Chappie.
[02:47:46] Unknown:
Wouldn't the League of Nations well, not a correction, not League of Nations. The law of nations from the, what, I guess, seventeen or eighteen hundreds, wouldn't that be considered the possibly modern day United Nations? So in other words, is the is The Hague or the Hyg, however you wanna say it, for international war crimes trials, and things like that, isn't that part of the United Nations? And isn't the law of nations maybe a offs offspring of, or should I say, what do you call it, predecessor or, prior to, the law of nations?
[02:49:03] Unknown:
No. The law of nations came into effect in the 1750s, I believe. And, be careful whom you go seek help from read their, declaration of human rights. Because the last one says, well, you know, we can do away with all of the above if it's in the interest of the good of the oh, I can't remember what it says, but they can be dispensed with subjectively.
[02:49:37] Unknown:
Are you?
[02:50:04] Unknown:
Well, it's kinda like reporting somebody to the bar, like, doing a bar complaint. I did a bar complaint, and the the lawyer went away that was trying to collect. So you're kinda like going to that Hague because of your, for lack of a better word, indigenous status as a national to defend against an encroaching international player, which is the District of Criminals federal player.
[02:50:46] Unknown:
I have something that I'd like to change the subject on. So Mark was saying today that as a national or a non resident alien that you are subject to taxes on dividends paid by a corporation that you individually invest in. But it says right here that the Treasury Department considers this is Treasury decision 2,313 that Nancy brought up. The Treasury decision 2,313 was issued in 1916 and it, it says the Treasury Department identified a New York resident as being a nonresident alien, therefore was not exempt from any withholding of taxes from dividends paid by a domestic corporation chartered by the federal government.
However, pursuant to this decision, the Treasury Department considers citizens of all states as nonresident aliens for all purposes of the code. That being the case, a corporation chartered in a state is foreign. It's not domestic. So it's like only non federally chartered corporations can be domestic. And so when you argue this position, anything that's done in a state is done foreign to The United States. So I don't know. I might challenge that and say that if you invest in a corporation like Microsoft with headquarters in Seattle, that's a foreign corporation. That's not a domestic corporation. So if you get dividends, you don't need to pay taxes on them. Does anybody have anything to say?
[02:53:02] Unknown:
If I may,
[02:53:07] Unknown:
every state that came into the union after 1860, I believe, or 1961 after the Congress, went signed I, none of them are states, they're just incorporations. And they were incorporated by the the the incorporated federal government. I believe the act of 1871 or something like that. So Right. So you're saying how to deal with that. Okay.
[02:53:38] Unknown:
I get it. So you're talking about the act of 1871 that made The United States a corporation and then all of the other states came in. But that doesn't that doesn't make any sense because I'm reading from the high priest of treason. This book was published in 1994.
[02:54:01] Unknown:
So very interesting.
[02:54:02] Unknown:
Well, remember, you don't know what you don't know. And he may not have known that, but in when when the congress, you know, closed without a reconvene date, there was no more congress. And then everything they did after that, there was no quorum. And they did it as a corporation, not as a government.
[02:54:26] Unknown:
Right. So none of the states that came in
[02:54:29] Unknown:
after that date, you know, March 9 or whatever, 1861, I believe, none of those states are actual states like the ones before that.
[02:54:41] Unknown:
You know, the Well, that's true and not I mean, I get what you're saying there, but all the states were entered under the original 13, So that never went away. The articles of Confederation never really went away. And the original 13, all the additional states in perpetuity were supposed to be brought into the union in the same with the same organic law. But you are correct that there was a layer of this kept they kept putting this military rule on, so we have to take that into account.
[02:55:20] Unknown:
I mean, this person, this Melvin Melvin Stamper in high priest of treason is arguing that anything done in a state is foreign to The United States. So the term alien must apply to you as a sovereign citizen. I don't like that term, but he's using sovereign citizen as you do not fit the special definition of a resident as described by the fourteenth amendment.
[02:55:43] Unknown:
Correct. There's two statuses. Right? There's two. There's a dual citizenship, and that's what Stanford is getting at.
[02:55:58] Unknown:
Right. But the thing is is that it this kind of like defies what we did because he basically is saying on here that the sovereign does not live within the political confines and jurisdiction of The United States. He is in fact a nonresident alien of The United States by the Secretary of the Treasurer's own definition.
[02:56:20] Unknown:
True. So you have to get into your head what is The United States. It's just a it's just like a framework put over the states. That's why conditionally accepted upon proof of territorial jurisdiction. And once you like Samuel was saying earlier and what Roger says, once you notify the Secretary of State of The United States of your status, then you're not subject, you're without The United States. So the confusion is they call things the same thing. The United States is The United States. McDonald's is McDonald's, you know. So, George Mason, small letters is the same as George Mason, all caps.
That's the confusion.
[02:57:04] Unknown:
Yeah. I think this book is very confusing also because some of the stuff they describe in here regarding you have to pay taxes upon income received from trade or business and they don't point out that the definition of a trade or a business is one who performs the functions of a federal office. So anyway, I don't know. I think some of this book that Melvin Stamper has written could be maybe perhaps incorrect. I'm not sure.
[02:57:46] Unknown:
And then we have to take into effect the bankruptcy of '33.
[02:57:51] Unknown:
Yep. But this book was written in 1994, so I'm thinking that some of this stuff is not correct in here.
[02:58:09] Unknown:
Does he reference the bankruptcy?
[02:58:14] Unknown:
Not yet on the pages I'm on because I'm just in towards the beginning of the book right now.
[02:58:23] Unknown:
Samuel, you on here?
[02:58:28] Unknown:
I do think he does reference it in here or he has a chapter on it.
[02:58:33] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:58:36] Unknown:
Yeah. He even references Bill Benson's book, with Red Beckman called The Law That Never Was.
[02:58:43] Unknown:
Oh, yeah.
[02:58:52] Unknown:
I mean, it was, this is just so evil. The Federal Reserve was unconstitutional. The administrators of the system were to be appointed directly by the President, giving the Congress no say in its construction. Yes, it's all the first part of the book all talks about the Jekyll Island meeting with, Forbes, the founder of Forbes Magazine and all these people in Congress and these banksters, JPMorgan, who owned Jekyll Island, where they met.
[02:59:33] Unknown:
Here's a hello. This is Jerry. Here's the New Mexico the New Mexico, constitution of the state of New Mexico. And in section three, it reads article one, section three, it reads the right of self government. The people of the state of New Mexico have the sole and exclusive right to govern themselves as a free, sovereign, and independent state. And that's in our, New Mexico constitution. So if you look every state up constitution, it has something to that effect written into it. And our New Mexico didn't become a state until 1912. And and you're right because as part of the federal corporation or the corporation where I live in Eddy County, it was a Christian Eddy County in 1885.
And then in 1895, they became a municipal corporation under the United States corporation. But New Mexico didn't become a state until 1912. So it was already a corporation before it even became a state. And you can go back and look at every county, what they were called before they became a corporation under the I think it's the twenty eight three thousand two fifteen a under the United States Federal Corporation. I don't know if that made any sense. I'm done. But I think in every constitution, in every state, because every state has a constitution of itself, and ours has that written into it. Article one, section three, self of right of self government to govern themselves as a free, sovereign, and independent state.
Smallest state, not capitalist.
[03:02:43] Unknown:
Yes. And that latest one I was listening to, they were talking about just going into court saying quoting one thing from the one section from the Constitution up to get the actual section right at the beginning of the case and the case just gets closed because it's like that framework I talked about that they put in and they got everybody fooled that they're they want to be a citizen, they want to be a U. S. Citizen. So but there's no way they could just replace the rest of what the founders did unless they do it by brainwashing, which, of course, they do a pretty good job because then you have a bunch of mindless jellyfish training their children to be jellyfish.
[03:04:26] Unknown:
Alright. Well, seeing as nobody's talking, things have pretty much run their course, whatever. I am gonna take the stream down. Thank you so much for joining us for the Radio Ranch with Rogers sales, the Thursday edition. Please stay tuned to Global Voice Radio Network for Paul English live at 3PM eastern today. And, also, 9PM eastern, Global Voice Network will be streaming the Jeff Rentz radio program. It should be a barn burner. Should be lots of fun. Should should be one of, Roger's best interviews. I'm hoping he's been preparing long enough. Catch us here Monday through Saturday, 11AM to 1PM eastern, and, you can also, check out the matrixdocs.com for the backstory on the topics discussed, downloadable resources, interviews, all kinds of fun things, as well as the free conference call link so you can join us live on the show.
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[03:06:05] Unknown:
Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.
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