In this episode of Radio Ranch, host Roger Sayles delves into a variety of topics ranging from the intricacies of gold and silver markets to the nuances of IRS dealings. Roger discusses the recent increase in premiums on gold and silver by the largest refiner in the world and the implications of supply shortages. He highlights the importance of physical possession of metals and the risks associated with storing them in places like the London Bullion Market Exchange. The conversation shifts to Bitcoin and the revelations about its supply limits, as well as the potential manipulation by major financial players like BlackRock. Roger also touches on the geopolitical landscape, discussing Trump's potential plans for a gold-backed bond and the dynamics of international relations with Russia and China. The episode features discussions with callers about personal experiences with the IRS, the importance of filing affidavits with the Secretary of State, and the broader implications of personal sovereignty and financial independence. The show concludes with reflections on the historical context of current events and the importance of understanding one's legal and financial rights.
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Thank you, and welcome to the program.
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Oh, yes. Well, we all would. Actually, it is kinda swaying in our favor these days. Interestingly enough, Roger Sales, your host here at Radio Ranch, name of our get together. It is the February 18, and, we're on a number of different platforms, and, mister mister Beaner, Paul Beaner is, the one that pretty much attaches those, hooks them up, and rides herd over them. So he knows who they are, and we always at the start here, even though it seems somewhat redundant. Well, I like to give these folks credit for, helping us extend our reach a bit.
So, Paul, if you would, please.
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Yeah. I'd be happy to do that. Thank you, Raj. Good morning. Hi. We have, we are on, Eurofolkradio.com and, of course, is our flagship station. We're on Global Voice Radio Network that is radio.globalvoiceradio.net. We're also on one zero six point nine W B O U FM in Chicago and on radiosoapbox.com, for the first hour of the program today, W B O U N, Radio Soapbox catches just first hour, they leave at twelve eastern. We're also on homenetwork.tv, freedom nation Tv, go live TV, and stream life.tube. Thanks to WDRN productions and the net family of broadcast services, Port Collins, Colorado. And we are also, the links to the streams and free conference calls so you can join us on the show. Those are on the website, thematrixdocs.com.
The matrix, d 0 c s Com. And that's about it. That's Yeah. About a well, hey. I've caught up within a, like, a hundred and twenty seconds, I guess. Well, it's full compliment, I guess, today. Right? And we sure do appreciate all that.
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Maybe even have some bread friends listening over there. They if they dial in, they probably think it's like nuts here with all this stuff we talk about. They, they got their own particular set of problems over there with mister Starmer and all of the garbage that's happening. I sure hope your morning's better than Paul and mine. Mine hadn't been too great this morning either. So, hope everything's alright with you. Come couple interesting tidbits. We can talk about gold and silver a lot lately, and probably touch on it again today, because all of a sudden, Sheckman's all over the place. Tom sent me a, another interview overnight with it's kind of saying the same stuff, but he said something on one of them that I listened to, I think, Sunday.
It was very interesting, and he didn't identify the refiner. Right? But the biggest refiner in the world of metals, didn't name them. This is Andy Scheckman, not me. I'm relating what he said. He's the expert. I'm the student. And he said that the largest refiner of metals in the world as of the twentieth, '2 days away, is going to raise, the premium on gold and silver ounce $3.50 an ounce. Now that's interesting because $3.50 on an ounce of gold didn't match. $3.50 on an ounce of silver is about 10%. And he he said, that he expected, the other refiners around the world to jump on that pretty quick.
There's, serious supply shortages in those. You know, if you wanted to cash in and get your metals out of one of these places, you got it stored like COMEX or one of these places, and they go, yeah. We'll get it to you. It's gonna be 6 to 8 weeks. That's not that's not prompt delivery, folks, for something that is yours that is in the fiduciary relationship with these Alabama and the 40 thieves. Alabama, Alabama, and the 4,000 thieves, whatever. So, again, it'd be very wise now, mister Scheckman is looking at all this activity, and, the metals are leaving your London and the London Bullion Market Exchange. Like, they're not leaving. They left.
And to the point, Paul, where they're actually hiring commercial airliners to fly gold, which is a that's the heaviest asset on the, on the asset on the, elements chart to fly them to New York. So it's not even on the slow boat to China, man. They're putting it on on on commercial, airliners. So they're wanting to get it over there real quick for some reason. Alright? And if, we mentioned it a couple of times. This is Andy Shekman again. If you've got gold that you have stored at the London Bullion Market Exchange, They are making an open offer to you that if you'll turn their loan your gold to them so they can send it to New York, they'll pay you 16% per month on the vault.
And Sheckman said, if you do that, you're a fool.
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Yeah. Because if you don't have physical possession of it, you don't own it. So get it out of there.
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Well, I mean, I don't have possession physical possession all in mind, Paul, and I still own it. I know where it is in a very safe place, but I don't have it here. K? Right. So you you you that statement's not always correct. Oak. Yes. But that but where you have yours stored and where other people have, like, certificates of deposits. Oh, no. I got well, I totally agree with you there. Well, yeah. Well, those are ETFs. Those are electronic traded funds, and all they do is deal in paper. They're, and this is also pretty interesting. This is something that Catherine Austin Fitch brought out in that interview, that I had never heard before.
Extremely interesting. And that's over on usawatchdog.com. He was at the interview posted Sunday with Catherine. And evidently, Larry Fink at BlackRock, they have now opened up a Bitcoin ETF. I I I don't pay any attention to Bitcoin or the cyber coins, period. But this is her thing. He when they open up an ETF like that, they have to disclose stuff. You know? Well, guess what, Paul? There isn't a $21,000,000 Bitcoin ceiling. They can add to that if they want to. And that's what came out when they opened up the ETF and had to disclose all this stuff. So there isn't a $21,000,000 limit on the top of Bitcoin.
More shenanigans. Okay? And I really would advise you to go listen to that, article, that interview with, Catherine. She's pretty sharp gal. Okay? And, so there was a couple other things in there too, but, that was the big one, because that's been a big selling point. Oh, is there a limit? There's only gonna be so many mind. Well, evidently, that's a lie. K? So, I'd be very cautious, but, yeah. If you got a good chance and you got extra Federal Reserve notes, it'd be a real good time to lock into some AU or AG. Morning, Larry. How are you?
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Good. How are you today?
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I'm not So too good, but, maybe I'll get better. Go ahead.
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I hope you get better, feel better.
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So I was Well, you know, Larry, it's like my it's like my old buddy used to say. He said, some days you get the bear and some days the bear gets you. Go ahead.
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Yep. So I was listening to a couple of videos about this whole gold situation and at the top of the news is Elon wants to audit the federal or the, for for,
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Fort Knox. Knox. Yes. Fort Knox. Yeah. And supposedly, there's there's
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there's, over 4,000 tons of gold in four docks. Last time it was audited was in 1974, and I was listening to Mike Maloney, and he said that when that occurred in 1974, they only allowed one of the chambers for for
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To be examined.
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Yes. One out of 50 show up, and they only were able to audit 6% of the dolian in 1974. And then Alright. I also learned that you're talking about how they're using commercial airliners to fly over the phone into The United States. That started right after Christmas, and their goal was to, and it was coming out of one minute. Their goal was to have at least 2,000 pounds of gold on a flight, and if they could not because maybe they there's more than abundance of Fargo and passengers and all that, they would try to get about a thousand pounds of flight. And for some reason, this influx occurred right around Christmas time.
So something's going on, you know, behind the scenes, obviously.
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Well, there is. And also there's, rumors about, oh, who's this gal's name? I can't think of her. Judy Shelton. Are you familiar with her?
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Mhmm.
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Larry, are you familiar? Have you ever heard of Judy Shelton?
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No. I'm not familiar with her.
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Last time Trump was in, there was her and another guy, and I don't remember the guy's name. They're both gold bugs, and, Trump was gonna try and get them on the Federal Reserve Board. They didn't let them on there. Judy Shelton is back hanging around. I believe she's written a book. She may be appointed the next governor of the Federal Reserve Board, speculation. And she's a huge gold bug. Now according to the rumors I heard, I think I heard them from Shekman again, that, they are the the rumor that's kind of going around is that Trump wants to issue a fifty year bond.
Currently our longest is thirty. He wants to issue a fifty year bond, backed by gold, and announce it at the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the country next summer. K? Whether he's going pardon me, Paul? Couple of things. Finish your thought, and then I've got a couple of things. Oh, I was just gonna say, he's, you know, he's kinda shut down the bricks, and he's working with he's going from a unipolar world where we were the boss to a multipolar world where he wants to have communications and working relationships, it seems, with both Russia and China, and that those would be the three hegemons that would control the world and have their own self interest locked in. And that's why he's going back to them as multipolar partners and suggesting and floating the idea openly that he's gonna suggest to them that all three countries cut 50% off their defense budgets and stop this arms race, and and and and let's try and get in a position where all three of us can function and be, happy in this world and not be always trying to screw with each other.
This is, you know, a great idea. Okay? So that is what's happening. Alright? Right now. Okay. Paul, go ahead. I can pick up the other stuff in a minute. Okay. Couple of thoughts.
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The reason that they're putting the gold on planes is because they don't wanna put gold on ships. It'll take it too long to get here, and it'll be Could could you? It'll be, too, susceptible to piracy and theft. What? Because, you know, they got a boat with a bunch of gold in the belly. There's gonna be all kinds of pirates going after that, Particularly, probably some of them that are that are, getting their marching orders from the deep state trying to intercept that cold. Oh, okay. So and another thing, as far as Sportknox, I have a firsthand account from a person who was in the military that was stationed at Fort Knox guarding that facility was decades ago. Okay. There has not been any gold in Fort Knox of any consequence for decades.
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No. If you'll think back, John, I believe I don't know if it's under Obama maybe or but he had a treasury secretary named Mnuchin. Remember him?
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Mhmm.
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Had that nice little shiksa wife. He went to Fort Knox and he came out and said gold is safe. He didn't say the, he said gold is safe.
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Yeah. Okay?
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Now the question is not whether the gold is in Fort Knox or not. The question is, if it isn't there, is who owns it? Mhmm. Because it can be in there and not owned by The United States Of America with these sorry ass thieving bastards around.
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Right.
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K. So hopefully, we'll find out something that maybe, whatever's happening, it's something unusual, whether it's bending to Trump, whether they're gonna look at because he started he basically put the bricks down. Okay? And, is he trying to step in and back The US currency with gold? As this tariff thing has something to do with that, get rid of the income tax, and your income tax should be paid by the tariffs. The these things we're gonna have to wait and see as they unfold, but they're pretty serious changes, and wholesale.
Okay? So those are a couple of the things that are happening that were on my mind. Roger. What did you yes, ma'am. There's Julie. Hi, Julie.
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Hi. Good morning. Did you also hear about what Catherine Austin Fitts reported on, on that interview with Greg Hunter about FASB fifty six?
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Well, I've heard that, you you know, a year or two ago. Yeah.
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Yeah. I mean, that that's just something that's just horrible for people who don't know FASB fifty six, Financial Accounting Standards Board. Am I too loud or can you hear me? No. You're fine. And it's another, like, another, we mentioned it yesterday, CAFRs. It's just another more accounting crap. Right? Well, no. This is even worse. This is worse. Roger, this is worse. They don't have to obey the financial management regulations or the financial management laws, and they don't even have to obey the United States Constitution under FASB 56, which was passed by Congress in 02/2018, and Trump.
So they can take all of the books dark, like the Treasury, the Pentagon, the 24 covered agencies, 56 other government entities, all the big contractors who do business with the government. The whole Treasury bond market is dark now. Even the large cap US stocks are dark. Everything's a secret now.
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That's really bad. Well, look at why
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I mean, you know, again, I'll beat the drum. Gold and silver are both going up pretty quickly. If you got any extra change, it'd be a really good investment and a really good time to jump in there. Okay? But Yep. That's up to you. I don't know your financial situation or anything else. Okay? But just a word to the wise.
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K? And, you know, I I report sorry. I reported to you that I thought that Bitcoin wasn't backed by anything. And if you heard Catherine Austin Fitz say on that interview, she said the Ponzi scheme.
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Yeah. I heard that. But I I disagree with you that it's not backed by anything because it is. It's backed by real expensive machines that mine it. The most the cost of, in the whole thing is the electricity. So there are costs that in essence back it. So in that respect, I I disagree with you on that.
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Okay. Well, you know, she also said that only 2% of the holders it's it's about 2% of all the holders of Bitcoin own and control 70% of the outstanding Bitcoin. So it's such a huge concentration that how are they gonna get out? If they all wanna sell it, they're gonna trash the price.
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So Well, I can't do that. I think they're probably working together to do what she suggests, with no proof, just an instinct because she's been working around and knows these bastards the same way I do for many, many years, and it makes perfect sense to me. On top of that, I've heard that what they're doing at BlackRock is taking natural resources and collateralizing them. They've run out of collateral. They've leavened it as far as they can leaven it. Okay? We can come back to that, Julie, if you're not familiar with that term from Jesus, the leaven of the Pharisees.
Okay. They've leavened the collateral about as high as they can leaven it, and they've only propped up by derivatives. The only reason we've come from 02/2008 to where we are is because of derivatives. Okay? And the whole thing is a house of cards. It's getting ready to go down. Maybe Trump can save it. Maybe he can't. We'll see. Okay? But what they're looking to do according to Fitts, and this is very feasible, is come in here with this new sovereign wealth fund and have it backed with a whole bunch of something like Bitcoin or other, as she puts it, Ponzi scheme cyber coins.
They take that with the value and the whole value of all the assets in The US is well, I what'd you say? $14,000,000 or something, whatever the figure was, is that they're gonna take the sovereign wealth fund pumped up by these fake coins, which are worth nothing in the end, and exchange them for all the real property. And then they can take that and collateralize all that. So it wouldn't surprise me at all if that's what's they're trying to do here.
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Right. Yep. I just bought that book that she recommended, Hijacking Bitcoin by Roger Ver and Steve Patterson. So
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Yeah. And what happened in Ver is and, of course, it's another big thing. Barnes was talking about it. By the way, Julie, are you listening to Barnes yet on Sunday nights? No. I didn't have a chance to, but that's I I want I go back and relisten to stuff this recording. Okay. Well, just so I didn't know if you were even aware of them or not on that program. He mentioned the Roger Verre thing. And, what they're doing is, Roger Verre, who was, nicknamed bit Bitcoin Jesus, some of because of his advocacy of Bitcoin from the start. And I I heard him tell his story. I heard him interviewed, I think with Viva Fry or somebody the other day.
And he was out in Silicon Valley. That's where he's born and raised, and he got into this real early. And I forget what he he did something. Oh, he stood up and called the BATF ugly names, and they came after him. And, and they threw him in jail for a couple of years. And before putting a bird, there's a thing there's a thing that scares away birds. If you got gardens or fields and it's basically a firecracker, and he sold one on on eBay, And they they, busted him for selling firearms out of license. Threw him in jail for a couple years. When he got out of jail, first thing he did was go get on a plane and leave the country.
K? Jack's kinda like that down here. He had an experience like that. That's pretty interesting also. So, anyway, then Ver got into Bitcoin and and started really promoting it because he saw the, chance to have an alternative monetary supply. K? And, what has happened according to him, and this is the book he's written, and why the justice department is after him and trying to extradite him from Spain right now unless Trump gets in there and pulls the charges, which is I do expect to happen. But Roger Ver had so much Bitcoin. He started Blockchain.com and a a whole bunch of little businesses about having to do with, Bitcoin.
And, so he even expatriated. He literally we repatriated. He expatriated. He gave up his United States nationality because of his intense feelings about these people and the way they do things and how he'd been treated. Well, even though he had left the country, he's got Bitcoin and he had expatriated thereafter him to pay $200,000,000 in taxes or some ridiculous amount on the Bitcoin that he owns even though he's not a citizen of The United States. And so they wrote this book. Evidently, that's what triggered this prosecution. And, his thesis is that they've taken this Bitcoin that was a very suitable, currency replacement with some honesty to it and no usury.
And, they've got a couple of three or four big buyers who have bought most of the supply out there and are playing all these games with it on pump and dump.
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Yeah. So that's what that's what Catherine that's what Catherine Austin fit said she said. I'm trying to Bitcoin. Yep. Yep. The the Bitcoin was converted from what could have been a very successful payment to its system into an asset used to pump and dump. And and as a result, it doesn't have any fundamental utility anymore. It's basically a liquid.
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Yep. So, anyway, that's her thesis. I I I tend to agree with her. I've messed with it in a while. I got aggravated with it. You know? And my pride is my deal for me personally is look. I'm 76 years old and a half. I got no errors. I got a little pile of gold. I'm fine. I'm not interested in upside. You know, it's like Will Rogers said, I'm not interested in the return on my money. I'm interested in the return of my money. Okay? And and I pretty much feel the same way. I got plenty. I don't I'm not I don't care about the big house on the hill, big car. I don't care about all that. It's that's all chasing the rat race. K?
And, I long since stepped off the hamster wheel.
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Oh, well, thank you for all you do.
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Well, I you know, less is more. That's the conclusion I've come to in this life, and that's that might not be for everybody, but it sure works well for me. K? Yeah. That's my The That's what my mother always taught me. Less is more. Don't junk it up. When in doubt, leave out. You know, and see, here's what I kinda learned in my divorce so many years ago is that you don't own things, the things own you because they're always demanding your attention. They always gotta have maintenance. They gotta have insurance. They gotta have upkeep. They gotta have this, that, or the other. And all you're doing is back on the hamster wheel trying to get that thing running so you can service all the crap that you own that owns you.
K? That's the conclusion I came to. You can come to your own. But, it served me pretty well. And besides, I like freedom. I wanna be able to just get up. If I wanna go and move somewhere, I wanna be able to just get up and do it. You're tied down with land and real estate and all this stuff you gotta sell and all that. You're not free. Okay? And I saw that in Argentina with a bunch of Americans that went down there when stuff was real cheap, you know, and they're they go down there waving handfuls of hundred dollar bills. I've always wanted to own a vineyard.
Well, they get in there and buy that vineyard, and, now they can't get out. They can't sell it. They never got their residency. So the minute you sell something, they take 30% off the top if you're not a resident. So that puts them deeper underwater, and they're stuck. K? So, anyway, less is more for me. Whatever it is for you is fine. So, anyway, I would encourage I'm sure Julie would too to listen to that Catherine Austin Fitts interview. It's a good one. And, well, I sure wish we could get her our information to her. I have not been able to to this point.
But you you all these people that are so dedicated and so they've spent their whole lives in whatever their career career field is, and it's happening right now, whatever it is, for the most part. They're concentrating on that. And you bring something like this to them with with the, e m a built in confusion, and you're it's gonna be a rare event if you get their attention. That's my conclusion.
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K? Hey, Roger? Yes. I I I I've been a subscriber to the Solari report for a long time. I have Catherine's number and her email. I'll I'll shoot her an email and see if,
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I can hook you guys up. Shoot her. Shoot her. Yeah. Plea anybody you're promoting our stuff, and please use that God's Trump card video. It's so effective. K? I feel like. But, Nancy, yeah, if you do that, great. Just here's something you probably don't know about that's the key to the whole thing. What we have is the key, the undergirding, the base foundation of corruption that the whole thing's built on, and nobody understands it. Barnes doesn't understand it. Levitt doesn't understand it. They're all over it on this birthright citizenship, but nobody makes the connection or ask the question, well, where else was birthright citizenship used? That's the only question they have to ask, and Pandora's box will open up for you.
Yes. If you do that, Nancy, I'd appreciate it. Maybe she maybe you'll catch her at a good moment. That was that was it's me, Julie, who has her number. Oh, I'm sorry, Julie. I thought it was Nancy.
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We sound a lot alike.
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Yes. You do. And you sound a lot like Robin when she comes on. I can't differentiate you two. Okay. So where else? Somebody else got something to bring up this morning here? I probably could talk a bit more. Few things on my mind, and I plan on it, but I wanna query you first. Anybody of our small number in the group today want yes. There's Joan. Yes, ma'am.
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Yes. Would you say the Jewish would you say the International Jewish Bank
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Your little your little yipper giving you problems? Yeah. Hey. Hey. I'm on the telephone.
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Come come go back. I'm sorry. Would you say Go the international Jewish bankers run and control the United States federal government?
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Well, yeah, they have up to now. That's why they're so apoplectic because they don't have it. They've controlled the United States government by and far the most part since March well, before '33. I mean, you know, even on, William t McFadden, the collective speeches, he makes a comment. In one of those speeches, he said, they control every important office here in Washington. That was in the nineteen thirties. How thorough you think their control is now a hundred years later almost, Joan?
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Yeah. I agree.
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Okay. Now Trump's got him upset, and he's doing a bunch of stuff that's just he's taking a wrecking ball to their deal right now. K? God bless him. Pray for him. That's all I'm you may you may not even like him. That's okay. Pray for him. You better pray for him. Okay? And if you don't think prayer works, why do you think they'll arrest somebody standing across the street from an abortion clinic that's silently praying? Why do you think if they catch you praying in your home for anti abortion that they'll arrest you? If if god doesn't do something and prayer doesn't work, you think they'd be doing that? Probably not. Okay. Who else? There's somebody else out there?
May I? Lady Linda Louise, may I? Of course. Of course. Now look, I want you to know we had one guy and we've had three ladies. One guy, three ladies. Yes, Linda. Please.
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Well, Catherine Austin fits. I just love her to pieces because she is not a doom and gloom kinda gal. She believes in in faith. And she said that she prays over her body. A friend of hers taught her this and has asked anything that came from the air, nanobots, anything that she's eating, nanobots, whatever, that if they're not on the side of Jesus, that they have to flee from her body. That's how powerful prayer is.
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I love that. A friend of hers told her about that. She said she tried it and and she felt better. Psychosomatic? I don't know.
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But that's what Katherine said. Again, that's So the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things I cannot see. I yield. Yep. Yeah. Well, I agree with you there, Linda.
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You know, when I was younger, I used to bargain with God. You know? I was going through rough times in your life, a divorce, and, you know, I said, if you're real, make that bush out there light on fire. Well, obviously, that doesn't work. That's not the way to approach it, I learned. But, you know, I've been looking for truth for whole all my life since I was in high school in the sixties, my formative years in that upheaval of the country time. And, I just always been looking for truth. I always knew something was wrong. Never could put my hand on it. I had my, my wife's, first wife's family had a yeah. I had a brother-in-law who was an optometrist up there in Athens, Alabama, just to the west of, Huntsville, Limestone County up there, and we'd go out and play golf. He was a scratch golfer, and I'd never played golf in my life. So it's quite frustrating for me. But, his name was Skeeter. That was his nickname.
And, Skeeter would tell me back and this is in the this is in the seventies. Skeeter tell me about, I guess he'd gone to some John Birch meetings that about this group that would meet every year called the Bilderbergers, and all the press would be there. And they never would let anything out. And that's the first time I ever really came across anything on this. And so, it had an indelible effect on me. And so, I went forward in another decade or so and crossed paths with John and Glenn. Got a totally out of a fluke. I mean, it's it's just a miracle that we're here.
I mean, you know, and we've gone over it before. John and Glenn taught for six months. And what they did was John met Glenn at a traffic seminar in Bullhead City, Arizona. And so Glenn was very curious about all this. So they exchanged information and, and later on hooked up together. And John sent Glenn a bunch of his stuff, and Glenn goes, we make a business out of this because of the three year return on investment of the IRS. And so what they did was they took all of they went and reprinted. We've got some. Daryl's got them. I I just didn't have the heart to throw them away. When I was leaving the country, I had all these books they replanted. High quality reprinting, Cook, Pollock and Maitland, Shepherd's Touchstone, and all these old English things that John had been studying that were important.
I had a whole bunch of those up in my attic in Florida, but I got I got it up to Daryl. Daryl's got a bunch of them, Daryl Wayne now. He's kind of the still the library for all this stuff. And, anyway, they sent a bunch of that to the IRS in Philadelphia. They wrote them a letter, and they said, we're gonna be going around the country teaching. This and here, we wanna let you know. And if you've got any agents that wanna come, here's the schedule of where we're gonna be and and have them show their ID, and we'll let them in free, and we'll give them free class materials. And the IRS wrote them back and said, well, thank you very much.
We're gonna turn this over to the education department. And boy did they. Because just a little while later, John and Glenn got an education from the education department because they all showed up with blocks and held them at their head for a number of hours and wouldn't let them get up off the floor and all that kind of stuff. So let me tell you, they and us got an education from the education department. K? Now what we all knew at that time, I was just green as a twig. You're having all this high end law stuff and all this complex IRS crap thrown at you.
So my head was kinda spinning, but I looked at that incident. They hit all three offices simultaneously. Fortunately, Glenn was in California and called back into the office, and they did let somebody answer the phone. And he was very guarded, and Glenn could tell that something was going on. And the first thing he did was hang up the phone and go to the bank and take all the money out of the bank. If they had gotten to that, they'd have been dead in the water. But now at least they had some funds. Okay? And so, as that happened, I still didn't know too much. I was pretty confused still, but I did know that the federal government doesn't move that fast on anything.
You know, at the same time, I mentioned his name before. Some of you old timers probably know who this guy is. Phil Marsh. Any of you heard of Phil Marsh? I'll bet you hadn't, Julie, have you? I'm gonna say probably not. Phil Marsh was one of the early guys. Haven't heard of Phil Marsh. Okay. Well, he unfortunately, I think he died in federal prison, him and his wife. He was, he had a, a a deal called the pilot society, and, he would put the, term untaxing into the lexicon. But he said, I'm gonna go right I'm untaxing people. Yeah.
Well, Phil obviously didn't have hardly any of this right. He was running on a bunch of patriot mythology. And, they let him go for five years. They literally let him on ABC News with Stone Phillips or Geraldo Rivera or one of those jokers on a Friday night for a whole hour talking about his stuff. And and what I've come to understand is if you're teaching bad stuff, oh, man, they'll let you go on for a long time. Because now you're attracting all the people that they really wanna get, the potential upsurge up, upstarts.
And they can come in and let you go. And then they when they get you, they get all of you. Well, here excuse me. John and Glenn only been teaching for a few months. And they come down on them, all three offices with with CID. So right there at that point, we knew there was something serious here. We knew they were right about something. Okay? And so, at that point in time, best I figured, Julie, there's maybe about 300,000,000, maybe slightly over in the country. This is in early nineties. And, at that time, they taught for six months. There's 1,200 people that went through their class. You heard another one recently, Chris, our new listener student in California, and he has Richard McDonald's law library. Well, Richard McDonald is one of John and Glenn students. I'm I met Rich. I knew him a little bit, not much.
Delightful guy. He was a California state citizen guy. And as I was telling Chris and reminiscing, I went out to visit him. I dropped by his house one time when I was out there in California, and he had a little house there. And he had a law library built onto the side, and there was a big tree there. And he had built his law library around that tree. And and it was in the middle. It went up through the roof. And there's all the law books are all in big circle around there. Great. Chris has got his law library. So anyway, at that point in time, there's about 300,000,000 people in the country and they taught for twelve twelve, about six months.
Twelve hundred people went through there. Out of 300,000,000, 12 hundred people went through that course and paid to go through it. I was the only one that took this information further after that raid. I mean, that is how thin the thread is, folks, that we're hanging by right here. One out of 1,200 out of 300 plus million. That's the ice we're skating on right now, and it's thin, folks. It's just by the grace of God that we're here. K? Because the reason I I wasn't in there to avoid taxes or I had an IRS problem. Hell, I'd never made enough money to have an IRS problem. And I've been dutiful little tax filer just like all of you were at some point for the most part.
And, man, when I this stuff just hit me, knocked me over, and then I just couldn't shake it. I could not get it out of my mind. And I think the reason is because the other 1,199 people that went through there had a tax problem. I had a big curiosity and was looking for truth and to learn something. And I believe that's the difference because all the rest of them vamoosed. And I mean, they had some pretty good students. One of them was a guy named Don Rogers, who was a California at that time, a sitting senator in California in the senate. And, you know, John mentioned Rosenblatt, that girl Joyce Rosenbaum, and Peter Neece, who used to be on RBN with Stadtmiller all the time.
And, so one day, I remember they're both she's dead now. I don't know about Peter, but they they were close. He said we're territorial citizens. And that comes where they say outlying territories over in title eight, and he picked up on that. He realized that's what it was. He just didn't have the rest of the picture. So I think he was over it pretty close. Peter Peter Neece is his name. But I remember Joyce Rosenbaum on there one day and get something like a, you wanna hear a piece of legislation. You wanna read something that somebody really knows what they're doing. And she read this proposed statute in California.
It was written by senator Non Rogers, of course, who'd been through John and Glenn's course. So that's the thin thread that we're here on. And and if I wouldn't have responded to that, folks, we wouldn't know any of this because it would all been lost when John Benson died. And Glenn I don't know if he I don't know if I've told you this story about Glenn. Just nobody's got anything they wanna bring up today. Let's just go over this. Well, after John died, Glenn, who was steeped in the tax stuff, he, continued to work on it. And what was happening was I we had the book was out. I was on shows with Al Attisk, who some of you may know of.
Men, Man and Other Animals Defense. It's another historian itself. Anyway, Al and I, were doing shows, and he he gave me some big pieces of the puzzle. He's the one that gave me this presumption piece. I never thought about that before. Subsequently, their whole game is a presumption of law. So, anyway, I'm on there, and and and and and Al has a friend. I cannot Hansen? I can't remember his name. But the IRS has codes. They have code manuals. I don't know if any of you have ever gotten into that at that depth where you get their code manuals. They tell you all the keystrokes and this, that, and the other, what it all does, and and all that. Well, he had become an expert on that.
Maybe Ellis. Ellis. Larry Ellis, I believe, is his name. And so we were talking about that, Al and I. And and and I said, well, you know, Glenn Glenn and John have got the whole tax thing down all the way back to its origin, how it worked, and the exchequer and all that stuff. Well, this guy had been studying those manuals, and Glenn and John had been studying all this for years. So I put those two guys together. Okay? And, man, did it bear fruit. Because now all of a sudden, the guys that has all the internal codes, now he's got the structure of everything and knows what they're doing and why they do it.
And so they found a doctor, medical doctor in San Diego. He had, two counts of failure to file against him, and they were prosecuting him. And so, Glenn and his buddy got with the law firm and explained all this to them. And they said, well, we'll represent him with that. And so they didn't write any of the process. Glenn wrote everything. Write it, send it to the lawyers. I'm telling you, Glenn is a whippersnapper at this legal stuff. Okay? And, sends it over there. And so they, go through the district court trial and they convict the, they convict the guy, the doctor.
Even though they got all the facts, all the stuff, now the thing hinges. And I mentioned this before. We're in tax season. The thing hinges on what's called push code o nine. Push code o nine. And that's the code that allows them to stop the computer and insert what they call an SFR or a substitute for return. The Patriot Movement refers to them as dummy returns. K? Because a dummy puts them in there. Well, this is the part where they're following the old English process, but there's got to be a statute stable statute stable, a ten forty filed.
And so the computer will go along for a while and it gets to a point, and it notices there's no ten forty involved, so it stops, I guess. Anyway, it won't go any further because there's not a ten forty in there. You haven't volunteered. So, when that happens, the agent comes in, puts push code o nine, and that's where they do a ten forty for you, substitute for return, and they put it in there for you. And now the computer sees there's a return that's been filed. It doesn't know all that. And so it goes on to assessment, collections, wherever.
Okay? Well, they had all that down. They presented it to the jury. And Glenn and they've sent it to the ninth circuit, by the way, and they ruled against him too. And Glenn told me, said, Roger, not only is it so complicated that the jury can't understand it, the judge can't understand it either. And that's when Glenn turned his back on all this and walked away. Had them dead your rights, district court, appellate court, ruled against it. Nobody could understand it. They had all the proof, and Glenn just threw up his hands and said, screw this. I'm a go do something productive. Yes, Larry.
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Yeah. Do you think, the, is it the computer system that automatically, puts the the ten forty in, the dummy ten forty in, or does someone have to No. No. No. No. No. No. No. The computer stops,
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and you have to push push code o nine to open it up so you can put the 10:40 in there. The computer is programmed correctly.
[00:50:16] Unknown:
And also is the 10:40 do you have you heard is is that dummy ten forty based upon, like, the averages of your past 10?
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No. They're gonna come up with some figure and put it in there. K? I the way I think. I mean, look, I don't know. I've never been to Martinsburg, Virginia in my life. Never been in, never touched the computer. It's just what I've learned and heard, Larry. Okay? That's what I'm repeating to you.
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Hey, Raj. I have a question. This is Dan. Okay, Dan. Yeah. Dan, what you got? So I think they push code o nine to me because three years have gone by since I revoked my election to be a taxpayer. Haven't heard anything, and they finally sent a a a payment voucher again just, a week or so ago, and I've been trying to figure out what to do with it. And then, I remember voucher?
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What what is a payment voucher? Pardon my ignorance.
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At one point, I was on a payment plan, and they just, and and it's as if they picked up that left off.
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I see. So Yeah. And and Well
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I forgot that one. Just last thing I was gonna say, Raj, is I missed that session, and I couldn't I'm not sure which one it was where you talked very much about getting, having the IRS reimburse you for the past three or four years or something like that.
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Well, I I we'll we can talk about that. We got time today. Let's see. You got a few minutes, about ten minutes or so before we check out of Chicago. But I I'm just giving you some background on stuff here. And, so that's why Glenn walked away from this and he and John bequeathed everything to me. Okay? So they don't want anything to do with it. John's dead. Glenn's still right in process and fighting people. I mean, listen, Glenn won a case to the Supreme Court for an inmate when he was in prison, Dan. And one of the inmates came to he said he said when you're in jail, the one thing that you don't want anybody to know is that you can write legal process. K? Or you'll have a line at your door. Alright? And he did win a case at the Supreme Court for a guy that was a fellow inmate.
And the I believe it was an attorney in North or South Dakota that filed it. Right? And they the state bar gave the attorney a big plaque for his office. He's the only attorney in the history of the state that ever won a case at the Supreme Court. And the guy says, hell, I didn't even write it. That's Glenn. Okay? Oh, they had another one, one of his buddies. He's still hanging around with this guy. His name's Roger, and he owned a big trucking firm somewhere in the Midwest. And the Teamsters wanted the trucking stop or whatever and did a bunch of crap on him, got him sent to jail. Well, Glenn wrote a RICO suit for him.
And the attorney for the other side flew all the way up to Minneapolis and asked offered him $3,000,000 to settle, and they returned it down. Okay? Glenn is Glenn is, just a hotshot, folks. Okay? So, anyway, all that is what kinda led up to this and where we are and how I know so much about the tax code is because what happened with them is they sent Glenn with more time than John because the judge said he was a firecracker or the instigator of everything. And so Glenn, being very spiritual, wanted to they said that John over to the one of the only un air conditioned facilities in the Bureau of Prisons in Petersburg, Virginia. Does it get pretty hot there, Julie, in the summertime around Petersburg. Does it hot and humid and stuff for a for a 70 year old man that's in bad health?
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My god. That's such great that's crazy.
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Now what happened was Glenn went and applied for a pastoral program. And this is where the, you know, the old fickle finger of fate, Dan. The good Lord. And whoever the bureaucrat was assigned him to Petersburg, Virginia.
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Is your law library there?
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I I don't think so. But see, they had already gotten all of these books from the Exchequer and how it worked before they had gone to jail and they'd read them. And so what they did get to do every day was spend about four hours together out on the recreation field under a big tree. John was in a wheelchair. Glenn would wheel him out there, and they'd sit there and talk about this for four hours a day. Then they'd write it up. And then because he hadn't scrounged a typewriter yet, they'd send it to me in Florida. I would type it all back up and send it back up to them.
So, that is where the understanding of the tax code comes from and their book that they wrote when they got out, Taxation Without Misrepresentation, that you can find and purchase at the book patch. So, anyway, that's kind of the way this all had come together. K? Just an absolute freak thing. And what kept me going, Dan, what really kept driving me was that 26 CFR 1.1 dash one a, the jurisdictional statement. And I kept looking at that term nonresident alien and going, they went to an awful lot of trouble to do this. It's got to be important.
And that's what kept me going all these years.
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You know, it's the little things, and it reminds me of the statement, Roger, that just is and it's such a spiritual statement. I realized I remember hearing it about jihadists once, but that was just propaganda. But the statement is real simple. To the committed goes the victory. And David can be the committed one man, and it still goes to the victory type thing. It's a real spiritual belief, you know. God brings you there.
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Well, I had a dear friend, now deceased. Almost all my dear friends are deceased. Ron Brown. Ron and I are very close. He had been through the previous seminar to me down in Florida because he had a big IRS problem. He was an insurance agent. Have you ever noticed how many insurance agents were in the, tax movement? Dan, I don't know if you have or not.
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But the reason I would guess, like, one.
[00:57:23] Unknown:
Right? Okay. Well, the reason there's more of them than well, the reason there's more of them than generally other professions is because they got these big residuals, you know. I mean, they go sell some group life insurance, some big company. Well, they can live off that the rest of their lives because the residuals keep coming in when they renew. Well, but and you cross it with the IRS. IRS is in bed, obviously, with the treasury and insurance agencies. And the minute they see you're an insurance agent, they'll come in and just garnish all your residuals.
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Right.
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Right. And that's where Ron was. And we met at the first meeting, you know, and went to the seminar. Next meeting, we're gonna have next week, we're gonna have a meeting over there at this insurance office. And I go over there. Unbeknownst to me, the guy had quit because his wife wasn't gonna have anything to do, nor was she gonna let him have anything to do with fighting the IRS. K? Women are nesters. I understand all that. K? Anyway, he was out of the picture. And so I go to his office where we were gonna have a meet where we'd have the seminar, and there's this guy, in a three piece suit looking like a Philadelphia Lawyer and it was my buddy Ron. And, we were fast friends from then on.
And it's funny to see you. Pardon me?
[00:58:49] Unknown:
Right. The serendipity that that brings us to the places we are, like the whole no matter where you go, there you are. Yep. Yeah. Well, Ron and I, of course, used to talk all the time and we were both having trouble with this.
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Well, there's, okay. We're both having trouble with this. I'm gonna turn it over to Paul because he doesn't have trouble with telling Chicago bye bye. So, Paul, if you would, please.
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Yeah. Okay. So back to my buddy, Ron. We were very good friends, and we went through all this together, and both of us had a hard time understanding it. And he just kinda dropped off and went off chasing other things and stuff. And so a few years down the line, and I finally get this. Okay? And so I call up Ron and say, Ron, I got it figured out. I got it figured out. And and, he goes to look for his affidavit and he couldn't even find a copy of that five page affidavit. We both use the same one. It's in the, excuse me, it's in the back of the book there.
And he went to look for it and he did he couldn't even find his. And so fortunately, we had filed them at this is what John and Glenn see, they didn't know about Secretary of State, but they had us file the affidavits in our local property records office or the one we're born in and I did both. Okay? So and because why do you file it in the property records office? Well, where does the IRS file their lien to notice a lien? In the property records office.
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Right.
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And so not knowing that that would not be it gave the IRS wiggle rooms, what they did. K? So, anyway, Ron goes down to the property records office there in Gwinnett County. Lived right up there in Northeast Atlanta. And, I think Doug is got his got his got his got his got his got his got a copy and took it home and he and when we talked the next time, he said, you know, Roger, I did all this and he went over that story. And he said, I came home and I read it and I understood it perfectly.
[01:01:45] Unknown:
That's what happens. It all quits one day. Yeah. It all quits. After
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he died, his girlfriend called me and she said, Ryan, we're so proud of you. And he said he just never quit. He never quits is what you're saying, Dale. He never quits. And here we are today. K?
[01:02:10] Unknown:
It's a beautiful thing, Roger. It's just by the grace of God, and this is providence.
[01:02:17] Unknown:
Oh, but but I don't know of any other conclusion to draw.
[01:02:22] Unknown:
There isn't one, bro. It's it's this is God's light. It shines on us in this way to give us these memories. It's a gorgeous thing
[01:02:30] Unknown:
to the committed. You see, I'm the most unlike damn, I'm the most unlikely candidate for this.
[01:02:40] Unknown:
You know, I thought the same about me, Raj. I really did until I stood before the judge the other day, and I realized they don't want us there. He doesn't know what to do with men like me and you.
[01:02:52] Unknown:
And put a smile on my face. They sure don't. So anyway, they're just a little background on why we're here, how we got here, how important this is, whether you realize it or not. You may be new, and and there's no way you can see the depth of this when you're new. You gotta go in and do it under the confusion. You gotta get these things, like, where they balance in your mind. And and it only takes time where you can see how important this is. Get away from the feds also. But you don't understand this is the bottom of everything. This is how they control everything. I heard Doctor. Janda one day, Doctor. Dave Janda on his program. Some of you are familiar with him. And and he said, what is the Rockefeller Rothschild power axis?
Doctor Dave, this is him. Alright. Simple.
[01:03:49] Unknown:
It's very simple. To me. Yeah. Okay. They care not who controls the laws. I'll figure out how to control the money. You know, Roger, the only reason they're even still in charge right now, the banking cartel that and yes, it's mostly Jewish for lead, is because no one's ever really broke the chain. Anyone that gets close enough, they always have two or three other countries that are, like, willing to sacrifice their morals and scruples because the Fed threatens them. And then they have massively they rise up their armies and they go after the one that's trying to get out. So that's it's only because there's been no contiguous break in their power that they get to keep maintaining their power. It's self fulfilling.
[01:04:33] Unknown:
It's so obvious that way. Like this that nobody can figure out their little freemason, m a j I k magic. It's just a spell. What they've done is they've cast a spell, and they've cast a spell by assigning a 80 degree different definition in your subconscious on keywords, and they got total control of you. They could put they could lead you around like they got a damn ring in your nose. And if you don't believe that, look at the people that they're doing. That too.
[01:05:03] Unknown:
Man, my heart swells, Riser, with the greatest of, like, joy every time I recognize someone else is about to wake up. Or I watch the next thing happen and the chink in the armor comes and I am always reminded that pain never really makes me cry but joy and happiness sure does.
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Yeah. There you go.
[01:05:22] Unknown:
There you go. And gratitude. I already forgot my question to you, bro. Gratitude
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is the emotion that we do not exercise anywhere near enough.
[01:05:33] Unknown:
Darn straight. And it just lives within. It's not like you gotta do much about it.
[01:05:38] Unknown:
Yeah. Just be grateful. You know? Like it looks like the sun's about to come out for the first time in hell about ten days around here. So I'm grateful for that right now. With all this cloudy stuff for all these days is just kinda our winter here. It happens. And, it's after about five, six, seven days of clouds and it just gets frustrating,
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you know? So maybe that's gonna change. We're coming off of that ourselves up here. It's cold. I'm in Massachusetts, baby. I like to call Massachusetts behind enemy lines of blueness, you know, behind the blue wall. Right. I
[01:06:16] Unknown:
Practically, I think. Amazing. These people are they're just freaking amazing, man. Really. So we got them, though. We got them beat. And
[01:06:26] Unknown:
I think they kinda respect They're on the ropes a little bit. They're running scared, Roger. Oh, they're running scared, Roger. I know. They're running. They know they're running. That's what I think. That's what I saw on court the other day when I walked in and gave them my rebuttal to their presumptions. And then the guy looked at it and he was just like they they literally wouldn't even put me on the record. They just said, let's get rid of this thing because there was a couple other people in the court. They didn't wanna hear it. Let's just get rid of this thing. Let's all let's just get I don't And I recognized he wouldn't even put me on the record. I'm like, we're not even on the record here. I'm like, I'm witnessing private action live.
[01:07:01] Unknown:
Well, I wanted to mention this yesterday. I got a letter from our good student and good friend, Jeff, down there in Plano, Texas, and he had gotten pulled over in an altercation on lack of tags or custom tag or something. And so it finally got scheduled. He went into, court, and, they they wouldn't let him came in about like you. And they said, why don't you go over and talk to the prosecutor over there? And it was a little female. And she says, well, this isn't one of those sovereign citizen things, is it? And he said, no. No. Not at all. He starts showing her the affidavit, giving her the proof, and giving her some other stuff. And she said, well, let's reschedule this, and I'll go, and we'll deliberate this with the judge. So, that that's open.
Okay? Yep. And,
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and so maybe we are making a little bit of progress. To the committed goes to victory in there, you just have to stand. What I noticed was when I didn't waiver, well, did you get your license fixed? And I was like, no. It was like a perfectly honest response of a four year old. Just no. Is your hand in the cookie jar? Yeah. You know, are you gonna get it fixed? He asked me. I said, no. Of course not. And he just looked at that and he's like, oh, no. Let's just get rid of this thing. I swear it wasn't because I got some Mike Tyson game face. It was just honesty. It was integrity. It was what you just said. The, I forgot the word you used, but
[01:08:28] Unknown:
Well, I don't whatever. It was just they take Well, we're the word you used before. Yeah. It's good. We're going through a great awakening. Have you seen the the, you know, the there's five judges that have tried to impede print, Trump's, and dodge here, Doge. And so, they've already got articles of impeachment in for two of them. And one of them, this guy, McGregor, I think is his name, get this. Clown. He bought his judgeship in Rhode Island, and he's got a an NGO and made a hundred million dollars off of it. And he's the one that wants to stop the payment to the NGS because he's raping it. Another black guy. He's got a a daughter that's one of the big supervisors at a, education department.
His wife's got something. He's got one of these NGOs with a private plane and all kinds of stuff. And I was very disappointed to find out about, Senator Tom Cotton because I kinda like old Cotton occasionally, when he says something He's in the ring. Yep. Oh, man. Well, he's he's like corrupt as hell. He runs this NGO. He's got part of it. It used to be John McCain's. And John McCain died, and Cotton took it over. And, sugar print sugar in his britches, Lindsey Graham is in there. In that same one, a couple other senators, and they're hundreds of millions of dollars.
So yeah. Now I know. Soon as soon as At least Cotton did confirm both RFK and Gaber.
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K? I'm sure there's good sides to the man. I bet you part of him is caught behind a veil that we didn't realize he was getting into in the first place. And part of him is a pig. It's just that, you know, swine. Well, a hog. No. We in the South Hog. If you're not confused as Dan, you wouldn't know this. But what we say is pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered. Yeah. There you go. Okay. And so they're gonna strip all that money and and I sure hope they do. As soon as those as soon as all those, people whether they be senators in our congress, whatever kind of representative they are of our government. As soon as they get dirty eyed and start saying, without a smile on their face and some pep in their walk, they're lying. They're lying.
They're liars. And then you get the guys like Thomas Massie and it's like, oh, yeah. Look at that guy. That's easy. He's great. Speaking with mostly Rand Paul. Although Rand gets measured once in a while and I get that. But mostly he's just honest.
[01:11:05] Unknown:
And the one that really is, impressing me is JD Vance. He's obviously been set up for Trump to run. He's got two shots of running after Trump. That would be if that's contiguous, you're talking about twelve years of good conservative leadership. We may could straighten the damn country out in that time. K?
[01:11:26] Unknown:
Did you see his speech to the wasn't the UN? It was a screen for your I loved what he told me. I thought I was I was gripped. And that man, he talks like Opie from from, you know, whatever or he got a little bit like Eddie Haskell. He's got this wicked and he's spiritual. There's a that he he's got the younger man's spiritual thing going on in him, and I love that. And then he leaned into the things. We're not here for you. We can't stand behind that. If you do this, then you're not for us. And I was like, woah. Oh my god. Mike Johnson. We're fighting. We're facing a nice southern boy voice. Dude, he's got this outdoor voice. He could be in a choir, by the way. Right. It's like Well, we're letting the,
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that's okay. We're we're letting Europe have it and the control they're under by the European elites, which is very obvious, particularly when it comes to Germany. We're just saying, look, we don't understand this, and we might not have these common commonalities anymore because we don't believe in this. Okay? And it got them shook up. One of them who was the one that was crying? One of the German guys was up there crying at the end of his speech.
[01:12:36] Unknown:
Oh, god. I didn't see that. I I bailed out after JD.
[01:12:40] Unknown:
Well, one yeah. And I don't know who it was, but he's the one that's handing the the, baton of the organization to someone else's. This was his outgoing speech, and he ends it by crying up on the podium.
[01:12:54] Unknown:
K? I I hear that were those tears of joy because something is changing or tears of fear? No. They weren't. They were they were tears of realization that they are in a
[01:13:03] Unknown:
bunch of coot caca. Okay? Wow. So, we're we're meeting in Saudi Arabia right now, Trump and Russia. Europe's not involved and Ukraine's not there. Why should Ukraine be there? They don't have a legitimate leader. He's been a dictator for over a year. Anything that he signs, this just gives them a way out. Said, well, that's alright. Zelensky signed it. He he was a dictator anyway. He wasn't elected president. So you don't wanna go sign anything with them. There's they're they're slippery enough without that element in there. Okay. Right. And and and they're not letting Europe in either. You had a chance three years ago. You had a peace treaty written up. Boris Johnson comes in, Bojo.
Boris Johnson comes in from England and tells you not to do it. No. You don't have a seat at the table. These are the two principles, Russia and The US, and it's all boiling down to rare earth minerals under Ukraine.
[01:14:09] Unknown:
That's what it all another thing. One other thing is the return of America to the nation that other people, hopefully one day can trust again as it relates to its treaties. When I heard Yes. What's his name tell Tucker Carlson, and I heard him say it on other times. And the way he said it, I was like, this man's telling me the truth. Whether I like his policies or not, it's irrelevant. I'm getting the truth. As soon as you get into a deal with the US government, there it's it's like as soon as the handshake is done, they're already scheming like someone in Palpatine's times or whatever to Yeah. Like some Machiavelli freak to go ahead and slit your throat and backstab you. It's like immediately, and they'll just and they'll do it right to your face. Oh, we don't mean that. Oh, sorry.
[01:14:56] Unknown:
Dan, I I was at a point I was getting into Rome a lot. You know, we're looking a lot of historical videos on Rome. And, they were talking about one of the Roman emperors that was real sympathetic to the Jews. And so he let him into Rome, and he gave them a building for them to hold their worship services in. And and they caught him weren't they? No. They caught him plotting to overthrow him.
[01:15:29] Unknown:
Of course. Of course. That was the old way, Rogers. And JD Vance represents the new way. We've got the human expansion in us. We've got this beautiful human expansion that's awakening to this, like, if you ever study human design, I'm real good at it. This nine centered, you know, humanity, mankind. It's all it were all we're ready to love thy neighbor where the old version of us from a couple hundred years ago still hadn't got that yet. And if you look at cats like JD Vance and just that generation are ready to be like, I I don't wanna steal all your stuff anymore. I I don't wanna do it. It's just that I don't wanna take all your crap and and and and kill all your men and and do all the other things that's with standard standard issue stuff.
I'm sick of taking your borders. I'm sick of invading your I don't want your country. Well, there's a person. How about you get good, you know, and you and we can commune finally, like, mostly, even if we don't really like you that much. I don't like those worshipers of this, but I love them anyway type thing. You know? Well,
[01:16:35] Unknown:
you know, and it's funny, and you're Jewish. You you said it a minute ago. Nobody just doesn't know. Dan's one of our newer people, and, man, this is a good guy right here. I don't care what ethnicity he is, you know, and I love that. I love your comments. And I love And you know what I really appreciate, Dan? I I I really appreciate your perspective and your comments from your position. Okay? And, much, Roger. I appreciate that. Well, I do. Okay. I mean, I I was in the music business for twenty years and hell, it's just as full of Jews as Hollywood is, if not more. Alright? And I have a lot of I have a lot of good, very dear Jewish friends, here here, Daniel. Appreciate this.
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The crazy one. That was Sonny, our uncle Sonny, who who knocked his head and went blind and fell down and knocked
[01:17:34] Unknown:
So, but I had some very dear friends who are Jewish. I just like just very dear to me. So I know that all of them are not like these guys that are Revelation two and three nine. Okay? A lot of them are You know what the difference is? They're the ones which is where you're raised in it.
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Yes. Were you truly raised in it or were you raised strange to it? I was raised strange to it.
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What about brother Kavanagh? Do you do you watch do you watch much of his stuff, brother Kavanagh?
[01:18:02] Unknown:
I I don't know this name. I never heard the name.
[01:18:06] Unknown:
No. Okay. Alright. What I want you to do, Dan, is write this down. Real Yep. Jewnews.com.
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Oh, god. I love their name.
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Brother Kapner, raised Jewish. He's he's a ortho Russian Orthodox Christian. He'd been around for a long time. He raises all kinds of hell. Go over there and check out some of his stuff. You'll I think you'll really like him. Okay?
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RealJewnews.com. That's so good.
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He's a hoot. He really is. You know, out in front of the Federal Reserve in Boston with a cross yelling something about the money changers in the temple. He's a he's a hoot. Okay?
[01:18:58] Unknown:
Wow. That takes some that takes some right there. I love it. Yeah. I I had an original question. Do you remember what it was? It was oh, yeah. I got both in there. Idea. Do you mind No. I mind me circling back, Roger? I don't I don't need Oh, no. I don't mind. No, man. I don't mind at all. What what do you got? Alright. It was just the the the bills I got from from the IRS over the past couple weeks. It was as if they forgot three years ago I discontinued or well over a year ago, I I discontinued paying them. I just stopped because they kept taking money out and I just, like, I just changed bank accounts and I hadn't heard from them. And they sent me a bill saying, hey. Here's your payment plan. You owe us $1,900 or whatever the payment was each month, some crazy a thousand or whatever.
And here you owe us one, and I think we you owe us one from a month before too, and but just the voucher. They sent me a voucher as if nothing happened. And so
[01:19:52] Unknown:
I revoked Have you been filing? How how when did you sign the when did you sign the agreement with them?
[01:20:00] Unknown:
The last contract I signed with the IRS, meaning signing the October was back in, to, maybe '22 or the contract I sent them was late.
[01:20:13] Unknown:
But but you said you were on a payment plan. You had to go into an offer of compromise to set that up. So okay. Absolutely. Part of that agreement you signed is that you will continue to file 10 forties for the next five years. Have you not done that?
[01:20:31] Unknown:
Nope. I have not. Okay. Well, just, I've done that agreement before I revoke my election.
[01:20:38] Unknown:
Okay. Well, I don't think that's gonna make any difference. So just wait and see how it pans out and I wish a lot of luck because I don't know what they're gonna do. They're on their last legs right now. DOS is over there. I just wanna blow them out. A whole bunch of them and auditing the IRS And Trump's already talking about instituting all these tariffs, which are gonna basically knock out your tax obligations, and the tariffs will pay for a lot of that or so is my understanding. Was that somebody who was trying to say something there a minute ago?
[01:21:11] Unknown:
Hi, Roger. I so appreciate, you know, your history and how you share it with us. What Dan needs to realize, when you say agreement, it's a contract, and that's what you're operating. Yeah. And so pull out the contract and see what you signed on to and go from there.
[01:21:34] Unknown:
Well, Sherry, I'm a victim of kidney blows sales training because we were taught never to call it a contract. You never sign a contract. You always okay an agreement.
[01:21:51] Unknown:
Euphemism. Euphemisms. It doesn't sound so bad that way. Correct? Yeah.
[01:21:58] Unknown:
Thank you, Sherry. Anybody else while we got a break here? Anybody else got something they wanna, break in about, ask a question, any of that kind of stuff?
[01:22:07] Unknown:
Yeah, Rog. Yes,
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sir. Brother Nathaniel also
[01:22:13] Unknown:
raised Jewish for a long time.
[01:22:16] Unknown:
He's out of Idaho, and he does everything you said the other guy does. He really stirs the pot. Go ahead. Well, he I think he's out of Colorado, but he's out there out West. Yeah.
[01:22:29] Unknown:
He's a hell of a guy. He talks about, you know, Dan, he talks about how after the service on Saturday, they go up in the upstairs and talk politics and it's not does this guy get elected or the other guys? Which one's good for the Jews? Okay. So he you'll I think you'll really appreciate him. Okay?
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So I think when you get a chance
[01:22:55] Unknown:
to listen to a few of his pieces, come back and give us your your opinion. I can't wait. I can't wait.
[01:23:02] Unknown:
But I think you did have an episode on the IRS. It was you where you talked about getting your money back from them. I just missed the call. I don't remember which episode. Let's go there.
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My my law teacher, John, just loved the law. He he did go to one year law school. I I don't know if one of the schools in Utah obviously. They're big Mormons and very devout. And after that, he got a job with civil service in contract work, and and he became particularly interested in contract law, and then he became particularly interested in tax law. And that was his obsession the rest of his life. Okay? Now in all of his studies, and he didn't just go to the law library. He'd get all these old books from he had a friend, one of his, students who was a commercial United Airline pilot that had the London route.
And when you've got that overseas route, they always give you a day off before you fly back. And so, he would take Roy would take his time and go through all these old bookstores in London and bring John back all these old English books. K? And that's what he studied. He didn't study a law school curriculum. He studied the old law. That's why we know all this stuff. And so, anyway, in his studies, he stumbled on, some and I don't know the regulations. We I was presented with them back then, but, man, I ended up hating tax law. Hey. I I I hated hating taxes, period. But, that's why I went to jurisdiction. But, it he found several sections of the code where when you change status, that you can go back if you've been paying in, and you can go back and claim clawback. You know, that's a term being used. Clawback three your last three years of what you filed and get them back. And that's what they built their business on.
They charge us $1,500 to go through the course. I'm teaching all you guys for free. Okay? I had to pay $1,500 when I didn't have it to go through the course, and they'd file all that paperwork and everything for you. So I was still very early in their six months of existence, but some of their friends in Utah who had gone through this first and sent in they called it revocation of election, Dan. Okay? So that's what I called. That's what I did. And and and they had sent their paperwork in, and they'd gotten back fat checks. So initially, the IRS recognized it. But when they started seeing them come in more frequency, I guess, they realized that they had not filed the affidavit with the Secretary of State, but we were instructed to file it in our local property records office, and you can't do that. They're not the lord of the manor in charge of citizenship.
It's the Secretary of State. So that's where they missed. Okay? They had everything else right, and they they missed that one thing. And you know, in all honesty, John was steeped in the feudal system. He literally lived in that period of time. Okay? And why he missed that? I think he was so focused on taxes with blinders on that he just missed that because he shouldn't have. He knew. That's the only reason I know this feudal stuff is because of him. Okay? But that was It's
[01:27:01] Unknown:
dude, you miss a thing.
[01:27:09] Unknown:
I think we lost him.
[01:27:11] Unknown:
Yeah. I think we lost Raj. No. Wait. Raj, you're muted.
[01:27:16] Unknown:
I I'm I accidentally hit a mute. I'm sorry. There you go. So, by we had filed all that at the property records office and they caught that it wasn't with the Secretary of State and so they stopped sending out checks, Dan. And they sent out to people like me a three three frivolous filing penalties, which were then $500. Now they're $5,000.
[01:27:45] Unknown:
Roger.
[01:27:46] Unknown:
Yes. So that's kind of the way all this started and came about. Yes, Larry?
[01:27:52] Unknown:
Yeah. When you were talking about, the your five page affidavit in the back of your book, Yeah. What year was that published again? And also, when did you what year did you realize, that you can narrow all that down to one sentence on one piece of paper?
[01:28:12] Unknown:
Well, fairly recently. That the book came out in 2011. We were on the air, I think, from the spring of twenty eleven in March, and I was on with Bennett once on Wednesday nights, once a week, over there at RBN. And, I think that was 2011 because the book was released in December of that year. Because there was an 80 page manuscript, and I had I told Bennett. I said, listen. We'll just just put it up. Let people download the manuscript. He goes, no. Let's make a book out of it and make some shekels. So John and Glenn, at that point, realizing what I had stumbled into, took on and wanted the advantage to make that book between the two of them edited up to where what it is now. And I mean, this isn't me talking as other people have told me. That book's a masterpiece.
Right? I mean, I think I Jim Prentice, excuse me, Jim Prentice, who was working with Mark's guy, Dan Meador. He was down in Tampa and, I got two emails the same day two weeks after the book was released. One of them was from Jim Princess, and he was a Dan Meader research team leader. And and what Jim told me, he said, Roger, we had everything you've got, but we didn't have the affidavit. We didn't know to send it to the Secretary of State. Now that's the guy that Mark studied under, Dan Meador. Okay? And Jim Prentice was a twenty year homicide investigator who'd stumbled on when he was a homicide investigator, studied on, stumbled on the two different sets of law books.
Okay? Well, Jim told me, we eventually talked but in his in his initial Email, he was a good guy too. In his initial Email, he said, Roger, your book's a masterpiece. I've read it 10 times in two weeks, and I've gotten something different out of it every time. So that's why I tell you to read it more than once, especially the law or the legal argument at the back back half.
[01:30:33] Unknown:
What was the name of that book, Raj?
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Sovereign to Serve Government by the Treachery and Deception of Words is my book, Dan.
[01:30:41] Unknown:
Oh, right. I suggest you get a copy. Yep. Okay. If you don't,
[01:30:47] Unknown:
so anyway, that, that was that. And I see it was another something else I was gonna address there, and I forgot it. But, Comment. Anyway, it was, there's Tom right there. So, Bennett said, let's make some money out of it. So, we turned it over to John and Glenn. Oh, I I now remember. And, the book was out somewhere in December of twenty eleven. I I can tell you this. Of course, we had some time to promote it but we sold 450 books the first day. Okay? Now the average first time author sells eight books. Eight of his first book. Okay? So I thought we did pretty good there.
Now the other thing, I've forgotten it again.
[01:31:30] Unknown:
It was It was, Roger, it was, when did you figure out what to narrow down to what sentence?
[01:31:37] Unknown:
Oh, okay. I'll get to that in a second. The second email was from a family. I believe they're in Minnesota or Wisconsin, somewhere up there. And they just said, Roger, your book's a masterpiece. We want you to know it's on our family bookshelf next to the Bible. That is a very humbling statement. Okay? Now, how did I, when, one day a couple of years ago, maybe three years ago, Alan, who doesn't hang around with us too much anymore, but up there from Dallas, Georgia, and he'd been doing a lot of studying. He came on the air one day and said, would you like to hear a one sentence disclaimer? And he read the sentence to me. That's how we found out about it, Larry.
Couldn't have been more than three years ago.
[01:32:29] Unknown:
Was he spacing that on the, that, you know, that sentence that we always look at in the INA? Is that where he found it?
[01:32:38] Unknown:
No. He found it on the, certificate of non citizen nationality where it's at the bottom of the page. He's also the one
[01:32:48] Unknown:
referred to.
[01:32:50] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. He's also the one that found a Afraheem versus Rusk. Now I know Dan doesn't know about this.
[01:32:58] Unknown:
I don't.
[01:32:59] Unknown:
Okay. Well, Afraheem was a Hungarian Jew. This is in the sixties. Dean Rusk was the secretary of state. He's from Georgia. I've been in his office before at the Richard b Russell building, and he's got quite a, I think he graduated from University of Georgia, and they built a big something over there for him, Dean Russ, international policy or something. He was secretary of state, very respected. So Afraheem v Rusk, and this overturned a previous Supreme Court, decision from just a few years before that. So here's the story, Dan. Afraheem comes over from Hungary and he he he he he he immigrates over and he naturalizes.
So he volunteers into being a citizen of The United States. So they catch him voting in an Israeli election, and they try to take his his rights away. The other previous court has said they could do it. He revisited this on on this case Afro, a f r o y I m, I think. Afrohim v Rusk, and the Supreme Court says no. You can't take his rights away. Why not, Dan? They had the previous Supreme Court precedent. They got all these facts in front of them, and they rule against it. Okay. I'll shut up. Why?
[01:34:27] Unknown:
Is it because every citizen is also a national?
[01:34:31] Unknown:
Well, he see, they didn't even tell him he could do that. They're not gonna tell you that. Here's why. Everything's gotta be voluntary. He immigrated and volunteered in, and for him to get rid of those rights, he's gotta voluntarily give them away. Now, this is a critical, important principle. And some folks I mean, it's the basis of everything we do. Everything's gotta be voluntary. If it's not voluntary, yeah.
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Because they let him in and accepted the volunteerism
[01:35:09] Unknown:
without without making him give up the other thing. They well, they can't make you give him up. You've gotta do it voluntarily.
[01:35:18] Unknown:
Oh, they could say we won't naturalize you if you don't give it up. No. He was already naturalized.
[01:35:23] Unknown:
He was already naturalized.
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So the deal was already made.
[01:35:28] Unknown:
So he volunteered in. They agreed with it. And for him to get rid of them, they can't take them away. He's gotta give them away.
[01:35:37] Unknown:
Wow.
[01:35:39] Unknown:
Hey, Roger. Now they don't say that in the they don't say that in the case, but that's what's going on here. This goes all the way back to Vatel's Law of Nations. It's echoed in the UN Charter. Every man has the right of personal, political self determination. What does that mean? It means I get to live under this what set of laws I want to, doesn't it?
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Yep.
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If I wanna move to France and go live over there under Macron, they can't stop me. Of course, I through the expatriation process, I've gotta have a French passport already. It's gonna take me six four to six months. It's gonna cost me 4 to 5,000. All that, but they can't stop you from doing it. See? So they still adhere to Vatel's law of nations. They just don't tell you you can repatriate. You oh, these people are just solo.
[01:36:37] Unknown:
Hey, Raj.
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Such slime.
[01:36:40] Unknown:
Yes. Who's that? Yeah. Hey. This is Jack in Colorado. How are you? Hey, Jack. Can you hear me alright? I'm in my car. No, man. You're alright. Alright. Good. Hey. I just have a quick question for you. I've been thinking about this.
[01:36:56] Unknown:
Remember when you said that you guys were sending in your affidavits to the property records, and then you would file for that reference? No. No. No. We didn't send them in. You gotta go down there and tell them you want it filed and pay for it. You can't send it in.
[01:37:11] Unknown:
Lost you.
[01:37:13] Unknown:
Okay. No. You can't send it in. You've got to go to the property records office, put the document, and tell them you'd like to enter it in the property roles and pay their fee, which is about 5 or $10 a page. Are you there still, Jack? Tom, I'm sorry. I didn't get back around to you. Yeah, buddy, please.
[01:37:40] Unknown:
Yeah. What's she talking about? What document are you talking about filing with the property or Affidavit. Affidavit.
[01:37:47] Unknown:
Hey. It's I just got back. I lost you there somehow. Yeah. Yeah. You dropped out. Alright. Hold on. Tom, I'm gonna go ahead and finish with him. Finish with him. You finish with him. Alright? Okay. You don't That's a quick question. Jack. You yeah. You don't mail it in. You've gotta take it to him and ask him to file it.
[01:38:03] Unknown:
Okay. My question is, when you guys would file you to the IRS to get your three years back, were you telling them were you telling the IRS, hey, I filed this affidavit with the property record, so I'm a national now and I need this money back. Or did you just assume they knew that?
[01:38:20] Unknown:
Well, you know, I was so green. It was the very first weekend I ever saw this, and they handled all that. And I don't know what the hell they told them.
[01:38:29] Unknown:
Okay. Because now we when we send in for returns, we usually send in our affidavit with our our ten forty and r and explain, hey. This has been filed with the secretary of state, and I'm no longer a citizen of The United States. Since there's, like, a letter that explains it, I'm just wondering if they did that, but it sounds like you don't know. So Well, what we were instructed to do is to file it. When you file that prop, they stamp it. You know, book so and so, page so and so. And additionally,
[01:38:55] Unknown:
we paid extra to have it certified by the clerk of the court, which is nothing more than the clerk of the court, saying that, yes, this is on file in the property records office. And it had all those stamps on it. Okay? And, I do I flat ass don't remember, man. It's been thirty something years ago. My head was spinning. We'd been in a weekend seminar of over thirty something hours of really high end legal stuff and all this other stuff. And I I I couldn't tell you. All I can tell you is that it was dark Sunday night when we finished up.
[01:39:32] Unknown:
Yeah. And, one last thing. What what was it that you added to the story that that John and Glenn didn't get? I mean, it sounds like you picked up where they left off or something.
[01:39:42] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. The secretary of state. I gotcha. Okay. That's what opens up everything. If you don't file it with him, you ain't done jack squat. It's just like that court site that was over on Moon Copper Moonshine still. Unless the person can prove they're not a citizen of The United States, the IRS can move on to assessment and collection. Unless the person can prove, well, how do you prove it? Well, there's only one way. You gotta notify the secretary of state, the gatekeeper of all matters concerning citizenship, and rebut the presumption somehow.
That's what they didn't know.
[01:40:22] Unknown:
I think I figured out why those, moonshine kettle people aren't getting in trouble too when they mark that their parents weren't citizens. Yeah. I think it's because I think it's because the secretary of state uses those two questions, or the one question about the parents, as just a con confirmation that you're a US citizen. That's just another way that they trap you. If you say no to that, it's too much trouble for them to research it and find out if they're nationals or whatever. Uh-huh. I I don't know. I I've I've thought the same way you did there at the first, and,
[01:40:55] Unknown:
I just don't know. And the other thing is I really don't know. Does the copper do we know for sure that the copper moonshine thing works? Are they rebutting the presumption? See, I don't know that. I've never looked into it deeply enough. I concentrate on our stuff. Okay? But I still don't understand why they look. As I've said, they take passport fraud very seriously, and I don't know why they let them get away with that, but they do, evidently.
[01:41:27] Unknown:
Okay? Got you, Jack? I think I know why. I'm good. I'm good. Thank you.
[01:41:32] Unknown:
Okay. Well, hold on, Tom. Okay. What what what you what do you think, Dan?
[01:41:37] Unknown:
Well, because they've spent so much time in the courts recognizing that each US citizen is also a national, that when you say that, you're simply choosing that aspect, and they would have to go through the process of saying, I know what's in your mind. Nuh-uh. And prove your intention.
[01:41:55] Unknown:
Well, see, I naturally, they need to know that information. But when you look at it and know what we know, are they just setting up another layer of presumption? Oh, his parents were citizens of The United States. That means they are. It's just another step forward on presumption. It absolutely I just don't know. Presumption.
[01:42:18] Unknown:
Yeah. So when you say it when you say it the other way and you say no, they were nationals, they would have to go through the effort of saying, nuh-uh, you're lying and how are they gonna prove that? They'd have to prove that in my mind. Right. And and and So it just becomes too much for them.
[01:42:34] Unknown:
Well, could be. It could be that they don't wanna bring attention to it and charge anybody with passport fraud because they don't want this issue brought out into the public spotlight at all.
[01:42:46] Unknown:
Especially with our new legal prowess that's showing up. They don't wanna take the chance that one of us MFers might actually win by now.
[01:42:53] Unknown:
I just have always thought that they will do anything to make sure this isn't brought out into any kind of public, forum. And I've experienced a little well, when I first started giving this information out on Tom, who I'm trying to get here, to here on his network over there, RBN, that the Southern Poverty Law Center was monitoring RBN at the time. And they it was in print. I'd seen it in an article that they were monitoring RBN. And they used to have a guy on call that would come on and call in, call Russ from Minnesota, and he was the mole. He worked for the sub, sub of of I called the sod Sodomy Pedophile Larceny Center.
But the Southern Poverty Law Center down there in Montgomery, he worked for them. Okay? Because he kept calling in. He'd call in to other hosts and he even Tom, I think I've told you this. He actually caught John Stattmiller in the station in his office, which was almost impossible to do because he'd blow in ten minutes for a show and blow out when it was over. Okay? This guy caught him in the office, and this is what he told him. And John told me this personally. Okay? He said, that stuff Roger Sales is teaching is gonna get a lot of people in trouble. Well, that's what he was telling all these other people, other hosts calling into another show.
And one of my fellow students, a guy named Tommy from Brooklyn, who used to call into shows all the time, was listening and he called me and told me about it. He said, man, this guy called up this show. He's running you down one side and up the other. And I called in and said, listen. I have the same teachers Roger did. I'm he knows what he's talking about. He contacted another show. Same thing. Okay? And so finally, I'm talking to one of my good students who lives down in Saint Simons Island now, Rick Scruggs. I was talking to Rick. Rick had 13 lawsuits going at one time. One of them in the Supreme Court for certiorari, one of them at tax court in DC, and a whole bunch of traffic stuff strung out behind him. You wanna make your life miserable? You just go file 13 lawsuits simultaneously.
Okay? So I'm talking to Rick and and I'm telling him this story. And he goes, well you know, Roger, I was in a cop station last week and I saw one of those Southern Poverty Law Center magazines they send out and I picked it up. I said, well do you still have it? And he goes, well, I think so. So he goes off, looked for a minute, comes back to you. I got it. He opens up the front cover. It says right here, managing editor Russell Estes. I said, okay. Look down that list. Are there any other Russes? No. Well, that's gotta be him. So I got on our b n and called his ass out using his last name.
We never got bothered by him ever again. He was still hassling Diana Spingolin, a bunch of those people over there, but they've been known about this since it hit the street fifteen years ago, folks. There's no secret to them. Tom, how are you, buddy?
[01:46:16] Unknown:
Alrighty.
[01:46:18] Unknown:
Yeah. That was true about John. He he come in like the wind and out like the wind. And, you know, many days he I saw him do that when I was at the station. Now I'm trying to get back to oh, did you I don't know if you heard, but the the Treasury Department, I guess, has gotten has gotten a hint that people that are useless or of no use whatsoever are being kicked out of a job, and the Treasury employees at the IRS pointed out to the to Musk's team that there was $2,700,000,000,000 that weren't accounted for that had no ledger entries, had no descriptions of what where the money went or what it was for. So they're like, here here here's our pennant, so please don't fire us, I think.
[01:47:13] Unknown:
So they're trying to buy their buy their job. Right?
[01:47:17] Unknown:
Yeah. They're trying to keep their jobs by saying, here here we found this and, you know, maybe you should take a look at this.
[01:47:24] Unknown:
And, I thought so that was funny. Sixty sixty minutes was totally Sunday night on on bashing Trump. Right? And they have two employees from USAID that come on there. Oh, yeah. Everybody was kicked out. Can't pay our rent and all this stuff. Right? Turns out they're they didn't even use USAID employees. They were damn shields Yeah. On sixty Minutes. Typical
[01:47:50] Unknown:
I know. Typical. Glenn yeah. Glenn Beck was taught had it on the show this morning. He was talking about all these employees that, you know, had to now they have to be like the rest of us and worry, you know, hey. Am I, am I gonna lose my job at any point in time? He was playing, like, you know, sympathetic music in the background. You know, like, yeah. Okay. The rest of us, you know, okay. We got a new boss coming in. Is he not gonna like me? Is he gonna you know, am I gonna get fired today? Or, you know, because these people, you know, once they're in there, you know, you really gotta be do something horrendous to get fired from the government. Oh, it's almost impossible to fire a bureaucrat. It's almost impossible. Another thing They got Yeah. Nothing you were talking about that. Punch o Punch code o nine.
[01:48:35] Unknown:
Yeah. They got all these federal employee unions that that protect them. Yeah. What about push code o nine?
[01:48:42] Unknown:
Yeah. I haven't heard that in years and years. But, you know, so what they did is so in order to fill out that dummy return, and you did get that right too, they would do a net worth on you. And they would figure out, okay. If you're living this lifestyle, you get this kind of car, you got this big house, you got a swimming pool, you got all this. They would do a net worth on you, and they would just max out what they, you know, could get away with, and then they would file that $10.40 and then they could come after you civilly because well, that's what they would do to people, I think I've told you this before that people that beat the willful failure to file charge in court because they prove to the jury that, oh, I made a mistake. I didn't know I was supposed to. You know, I was in error, blah blah blah. Okay. So you may have gotten away with a criminal charge, but they're still coming after you civilly so that they would use that punch o nine and file a substitute for return and max it out to the max, take you know, give you no defendants, no deductions, none of that, and then they come after you civilly.
[01:49:44] Unknown:
Here's, here's what happens. When they go past the push code now, the 10 forty's file, they go and put it on the assessment, all that stuff. And, so, at that point, the IRS runs into a problem. They got there's a fork in the road. Remember the old Johnny Carson? There's right past the Slauson cutoff. There's a fork in the road that they've got to deal with and the fork in the road is remember, they had to file an, a ten forty for him, a dummy return, so he's under failure to file. Now this is criminal. Okay? So what they've got to do is they've got to take that and look and see whether they're gonna prosecute you criminally, which includes beyond a reasonable doubt and a jury.
And these are the high profile cases that they really hate to lose, IRS. It hurts them. Okay? So they get to a fork in the road where they determine whether they're gonna come after you criminally, which includes, you know, court, jury, all the rest of it, or whether they're gonna come after you civilly, which is lien, levy, garnishment, and seizure. So they gotta come to a point where they decide which one of these are we gonna go after. Okay? Now you'll like this, Tom. I heard this story a number of years ago. You know, the IRS rents their offices. You don't ever see them in a government office because they're not a government agency.
Okay? So they rent their own buildings. And so there was and and what what does the supervisor wanna do? He wants for all his agents to have as many people back into the system and their case load of open files as low as possible. Right? That's his deal. Get these people back in the system. And so they were in their office one day, and they had one of these suspended ceilings, and the roof caved in. I literally those tiles and stuff, it it all it guts. And what had happened was the agents were taking these case files and sticking them up above the tiles in the roof.
Yeah. I know. It got so heavy, the ceiling fell.
[01:52:05] Unknown:
Yeah. I know. I heard, I heard, Beecraft and Beckman, somewhere I was on a conversation with them. And, you know, Beecraft said that unless they have a 95% chance of conviction, they will not go after you. So that was the best thing for people that right. If you're writing letters to them, you know, they write you a letter, hey. Where's your return? You write them back three more letters and ask them all kinds of questions, and they never respond. Well So the next time you get a letter, you do it again. The next time you get a letter, you do it again. And then if they ever take you to court, you bring those letters in and you say, here, I send them this letter, this letter, this letter. They never responded. So what was I supposed to do? And that's how a lot of these people got off of, the convictions. Right. But then they parade around the country writing books and giving speeches and all that saying, alright, beat the IRS. No. You didn't. Yeah. You just you just convinced the jury that you made a mistake, that you were you were required. You just made a mistake and didn't. And that was it. They used to piss me off to no end. And I used to go around and challenge these people at these meetings, and I got, you know, I just got a rate with them. You know, I told you all that. So
[01:53:16] Unknown:
you may want to on the front on the website there. I'm not sure where Paul has it. He might can tell us. Is a document called 66 questions to the IRS by Al Attisk. And Al got some correspondence from them. He drafted these 66 questions, sent it to them, never heard from them again. Okay? And Tom's exactly right. Why? Because an agency is a court of record. A court of record, Roger, you say. What's the record? Your administrative file. When they send you letters, they've got to put a copy in the file. When you reply, they've got to put your reply in the file.
So your administrative file is a court of record because it contains all of this correspondence. Okay?
[01:54:09] Unknown:
So what you want to do And you can request your individual master file and find out all that stuff.
[01:54:15] Unknown:
You can get all that stuff. Okay? And and but what you want to do is you want to poison pill that thing. And if you want to get a good idea, I'll get you a second, Joe, of how to poison pill it, go look at those 66 questions that Al Attis wrote. And you'll find you'll see pretty quick why they didn't he never heard from them again. Yeah, Joe.
[01:54:38] Unknown:
There's an addendum I want to what you're saying, Roger, in that if you have one of these agents that are giving you a bunch of static and treating you wrongfully, if they are breaking the law, you write a letter to their supervisor with their name and their badge number and whatever on it. And regardless of the outcome, that goes in that letter goes in their permanent file. And and these letters, and they go away.
[01:55:15] Unknown:
Yep.
[01:55:17] Unknown:
That's fine. So there's ways to go ahead. I'm sorry. Yeah. I didn't thank you. I'm done. I'm done. Okay. Tom. Roger. Hey, Roger.
[01:55:28] Unknown:
Rod yeah. Yeah. I I know that works because, I, I got pissed off at this IRS agent once, and he just wouldn't back off. So I wrote up a cease and desist, and I followed him home one day from his office and served it at his front door. And boy did boy did they they changed the agent, and they and the whole thing just blew up on him. Yeah. They were Wow. They were not happy campers. They're good. You know? They never tried to do anything. I just politely knocked on the door and said, oh, here. This is for you. Oh, who are you? By the way, you're you're served. You're served, sir. Yeah. And you're served. That's exactly what I said. I'm glad he pulled in I was glad he pulled in to get gas because I was almost on an empty phone on him too. You know, it was just, I didn't know where the hell he lived, but, I so he got gas, and I'm getting gas right behind him, and he don't even know who I am. You know, you are. If you I've I've never heard anybody doing that, Tom. Do what, Joe? If you send that to his supervisor, it goes in his permanent file forever. Good. Good.
[01:56:33] Unknown:
And then then you have a permanent record of an issue with that agent. Yeah. It's always there. We had,
[01:56:46] Unknown:
Larry or Jack, somebody, two couple of guys were asking one. Let me interrupt. Go ahead.
[01:56:53] Unknown:
Yeah. I was just gonna add, if if, if a student feels like they're not getting remedy corresponding with the IRS, I I've been helping students, and we've, started to add the inspector general to the Department of the Treasury in in the form of a CC and also the Secretary of the Treasury because the the commissioner answers who's the principal of the agent, so called agency, he answers to the secretary of the treasury, and the secretary of the treasury answers to the inspector general. And so you can add those two persons to the, to the CC list, and they have a duty to to investigate it.
[01:57:40] Unknown:
Okay. Well, there's another I don't think we're gonna be hearing anything from them. You know, Nancy came on the other day. She got the ir the new latest IRS letter, and the same day, she got something with IRS giving her credit for her return revocation of election. So that left hand doesn't know what the right hand's doing over there. And I would imagine they're a little bit panicked, most of those people, quite frankly, as they well deserve to be. Okay. We're pretty close to the program. Yes. Quick.
[01:58:14] Unknown:
The, who gives the IRS the authority to complete a ten forty on your behalf through check code nine? Is it because in the previous year's filing, there's something in the small print when you file that document that gives them power of attorney over you?
[01:58:34] Unknown:
No. It's a voluntary deal dear to dear, but this is what John thought was going on. Have you ever seen one of those letters, Larry, where it says, dear Larry, we haven't received your tax return for twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, twenty one. If you've already submitted these, don't worry about it. But if you haven't, we may ask you to come in with your books and records. Have you ever seen one of those? Well, personally, I haven't seen one of those, but I've heard of them. Know you. Okay. And what do most patriots do with them? Do they throw them in the garbage? Throw them away. That's what I'm pretty sure most folks do. Yeah. Well, go in and look at in the UCC, go in and look at a contract called a confirmatory writing.
And that's what John thought that that letter was. A confirmatory writing is a contract between merchants who are both apprised of the contents. And if you don't expressly deny it in ten days, it's deemed you accept it. So that's how they get you in a contract on the front end so they can put that ten forty in.
[01:59:51] Unknown:
Silence is act is acquiescence.
[01:59:54] Unknown:
Gotcha. Gotcha. Sorry, Goy. Gotcha. Okay. We're finished with the show today. I had some stuff I was gonna get to, didn't get to it today, may get to it tomorrow. As it's expat lunch today, I'll be not hanging around. But I'm sure glad we had a good little get together today, and I got to tell you some of these stories. And some of you have probably heard some of them before, but if not, you know a little bit more about what you're presented with here and why it's so important and the pain and sacrifices that three men have gone through over a hundred years of legal and historical research for us to understand it so we can help you get free.
So hope you appreciate your help. For a minute.
[02:00:45] Unknown:
Yeah, I have some for union noodle on if you don't mind me bringing that forward.
[02:00:51] Unknown:
Okay, well go ahead. Yeah, I think well, Paul, you got us off. Go ahead, Sherry.
[02:00:59] Unknown:
Okay. Well, just the difference between being a national and one of the people, which goes back to the, original documents. Yeah. We, the people I'm pretty sure. And I'm wondering if we oh, go ahead.
[02:01:17] Unknown:
No. I go ahead, please.
[02:01:20] Unknown:
Well, I was just wondering if that should be stipulated in the affidavit of citizens of this.
[02:01:29] Unknown:
Well, there was only one
[02:01:31] Unknown:
We are one of the people.
[02:01:33] Unknown:
You know, it doesn't matter what you say, Sherry. It does not matter what you say. Specifically, it matters that you're rebutting the presumption. So, yeah, you can put that in there if you want to.
[02:01:48] Unknown:
Right. Well, because that's where all authority is derived from. It's from We the People. Yeah. So Okay. Okay. Thank you, Roger. But I appreciate you and your history and your stories. And let me just finish with this. You're a sales man. Different Well contract.
[02:02:11] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, it's better than having a last name of returns. I figured out along the way. Okay. Who else has got something here?
[02:02:19] Unknown:
Yeah. Roger. Yeah. Yeah. You remember you remember Kotmayer. Right? Do you remember John Kotmayer. Right? Yeah. John Kotmeyer? Yeah. Yeah. He got he got one of those bring your books and records in. And, he he took he took a stack of he took his stack of book books. He took the, you know, the law law book and a bunch of his Elvis Presley records or whatever he had and took them down there. So here's my books and records. What do you which one do you wanna listen to? Yeah. We we'd have guys go into an IRS meeting with a wheelbarrow full of stuff.
[02:02:53] Unknown:
Okay. Boris, what you got?
[02:02:57] Unknown:
Roger? How you doing, Roger?
[02:03:00] Unknown:
I'm doing better. I got a
[02:03:02] Unknown:
alright. Alright. I have a question for you. Do you hear the word n legends before? It's written Fire. E as in elephant, n as Nancy, s as Sam, and space, l e g I s. Legis. Do you hear that word before?
[02:03:19] Unknown:
Speak can you try and pronounce it one more time?
[02:03:24] Unknown:
Okay. It's e as in elephant, n as Nancy, s as Sam. N, and then it's l as Larry, e as in elephant, g as in, gangster, I as in India, and s as Sam, n as like this.
[02:03:44] Unknown:
I've I've never heard of that before. Is anybody I can't even understand what it was saying really. So anybody else get that? Do
[02:03:53] Unknown:
you hear me better now, Roger?
[02:03:55] Unknown:
I hear you. Okay. Yeah.
[02:03:59] Unknown:
Okay. It's my accent. I cannot say it the right way because it's a laughing word.
[02:04:04] Unknown:
Oh, god. I just
[02:04:07] Unknown:
Hold on a second, Boris. What somebody say? And did somebody get the word? I know exactly what Ensligius
[02:04:13] Unknown:
is. It's a creature of the law. It's a Pronouns yes, sir.
[02:04:18] Unknown:
Pronouns it again for me, please.
[02:04:20] Unknown:
I pronounce it n's legis, e n f, legis, l e g I s, but you can say n's legis. Okay. I've never heard I've never heard the word before to my knowledge. It's just look it up in black. It's a it's a creature of of the law, strictly a fiction of man's mind. Ergo, it's no different than this. It's a straw man. And then please It doesn't have a physical body. Yeah. And no physical body and it's only a creature of law. The law made it up, made up the end, like, our all caps name that that matters that it's all caps. But just Okay. Yeah.
Never heard. Straw man is meant we just and we just simply meant to be an overarching term sort of like organization in the code. Whenever they say organization, they're talking about everything under it. And Enzweigis is basically you say Enzweigis, that applies to a straw man, a gas company, applies to all of it. It's sort of like a Okay. Well overall terms. All the Like like us. It it could apply to us too. Every one of us has a different ledges. Yep.
[02:05:22] Unknown:
Yeah. And something else, I was messing around with the AI and asking him about this. And in the beginning, he was telling me a bunch of BS, you know, and I keep pushing him. And he give me the answer that you gave right now. And then I asked him because he told me they're a US citizen is not. But he told me a US person it is. Okay? And I tell him the US person is a US citizen, and he told me yes. And I asked him again, but if a US person is a US citizen, it means that it's an intelligence. And he was like, oh, yeah. But, US person have a body and an intelligence, it doesn't have a physical body. You know? Okay. And I asked him about the old cap names, and he was he tells me the same thing. I asked him for more reference about ends legends, and he he know what I was going to because he told me, oh, I know what you're going to. This is Sovereign stuff, the straw man and stuff like that, you know. But Yeah. I think that they know. They know about that.
We are the straw man. Yes. Well. Oh, well And when they say about the name with the all caps, it's Ann's Legis.
[02:06:38] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you, Boris. Thank you, Roger. Thank you. My eyes are floating. I gotta go to lunch. I'll see y'all tomorrow. Have a good day. Ciao.
[02:06:53] Unknown:
Thanks, Roger. I'll catch you later, Bob. Is your case? About that other things about that and legis, it's possible, US citizen is not strictly and legis because, again, the supreme court has ruled that all all US citizens are also US nationals, but not all nationals are US citizens. And so it's possible they could be looking at it that way. But we all know the character of US citizen as they apply it to us when they're sending us notices and sentiments and offers and invitations. That is to the Ensligius. That is to the Ensligius quality of you that they would like to attach somehow and place the living version, non Ensligius version of you as surety for.
[02:07:44] Unknown:
That make sense? I have a question. Who is speaking
[02:07:48] Unknown:
right now? You just said that. It's Dan. Dan Edwards from Longmeadow.
[02:07:53] Unknown:
Hi, Dan. I'm Sherry. Hello. And what I'm curious is then, don't we have to really define ourselves as we the people, which is common law, the Yep. Creator's law as opposed to a man's law as an Absolutely.
[02:08:12] Unknown:
Yeah. And and the the affidavit that that fell out of Roger's child's brain when he figured out keep it simple is perfect. Everything should start with that. That's a perfect affidavit. That should be like the certificate that sits top everything. So you send the certificate, that's the proof, and then if you wanna say more to the state department, you write up further affidavit about that. Also concurrent with this, you know, I'm not to do this. And if I accidentally have to use a dollar bills because I have no choice and I do not give up my my, you know, citizenship that I've claimed or whatever else you wanna say to the secretary of state. Because I have a bank account does not bring me back into your jurisdiction unless you, you know and you would have to say something about that so I could have a chance to correct that before you did anything. So you can say all this stuff after the certificate.
[02:09:08] Unknown:
Right. But I think it's important to define yourself in that
[02:09:12] Unknown:
regard. Absolutely. Yes. Please do. A man, a woman,
[02:09:16] Unknown:
one of the people. And I'm not I'm not saying that Rogers information because I used it. I think it's a great import, but I think that, it needs to be refined to oldest is best. And when it comes to the almighty, the creator, Yahuah, use his word. And, We The People is way better than national. Man defined national, and they are tricking us with that if you ask
[02:09:57] Unknown:
me. So Totally.
[02:09:59] Unknown:
Totally. Yep. So absolutely say all the right stuff to them and always I'm not an envious. And, you know, we don't own that Social Security number. If you're in the business of by the way, you don't necessarily have to rescind your Social Security number. You just basically stop using it until you're absolutely forced to. A lot of places there exist just say you don't have a social. What's about it in court? Hey,
[02:10:27] Unknown:
Sherry. The We the People part was added by Gubanir Morris on his own. That was not voted in or anything. And if you break it up or break it down, We The People wasn't us. It was them.
[02:10:49] Unknown:
So we're just the people?
[02:10:51] Unknown:
I can appreciate that, Brent. My question is, where did all authority for the government come from then?
[02:11:03] Unknown:
They pretty much picked themselves to go to that thing. That they hide they pretty much hijacked the, articles of confederation. They were there to amend it, not to change it.
[02:11:21] Unknown:
To supersede it
[02:11:23] Unknown:
and Yeah. Hey, Sherry.
[02:11:28] Unknown:
Hi, Julie.
[02:11:29] Unknown:
Hi. My friend, Aman Jabi, who has, picked apart this stuff says, constitution is a communist document. And you got to go back to the articles of consideration just like, Brent is saying. I yield.
[02:11:47] Unknown:
And Aman is a student also of you know who that we don't mention in Roger's presence.
[02:12:01] Unknown:
Hey. What I'm curious about is how do you apply the articles at Confederation, and is anybody on this call actually read them? Because I have not.
[02:12:12] Unknown:
I was part of the, South Carolina to reread the minutes of the articles of confederation, to bring them back into style. So it's a it's a lot. The articles of confederation are a lot.
[02:12:31] Unknown:
Carrie, I have a pocket book of the articles of confederation that I carry around with me as well as the constitution. So, there are a lot, but I think those are what we have to honestly go back to, in my opinion.
[02:12:49] Unknown:
May I ask, Julie, how large that document is, the articles of confederate
[02:12:55] Unknown:
I have to go get it. I was carrying it around with me. I should have said I was carrying carried pocket constitution around with me. I can check and I can email you.
[02:13:03] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you very kindly. We have to get to the root of what's going on here. So, because this is what produces the fruit.
[02:13:20] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, if you look at the if you look at FASB 56, Sherry, that was signed in 02/2018. I mean, that is a real, thing they all signed. They don't have to follow the constitution or the law financial management laws at all anymore. So where does that leave us?
[02:13:39] Unknown:
Thank you, Sherry. May I, lady Linda Louise?
[02:13:46] Unknown:
May I? Linda.
[02:13:47] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. Hi, Mary. In reference to, we the people versus one of the people. In the, declaration of independence, the first sentence says, when in the course of human events, comma, it becomes necessary for one, people, capital p, to dissolve the political bans which have connected them with another. Okay. And move down to the second paragraph. And you see, clearly because I have a pocket that I, I have with me that has the articles, has the constitution, has the declaration of independence. But it says clearly in the second paragraph, that to secure these rights, comma, capital r on right, which means God's right, governments are included among men, comma, deriving their just powers to the consent of the governed.
Right? When any any that whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, capital e on ends, comma, it is the right of the people, capital p. So when Brent says, they created the we the people, this document here makes it clearly one people and then it is the right, capital l, of the people, capital p. I hope that, clarifies it for you. I yield.
[02:15:21] Unknown:
Well, I'm more confused than ever now, Linda Louise. You're saying because it capitalized those words, it means that, it's controlling that it is now changed the concept the whole declaration or what? This is Rochelle. Are you talking to me? Yeah. Rochelle is Miss Louise, I don't understand
[02:15:52] Unknown:
why but you're just getting at it. The document the way it was dialed. I just read the document the way it was dialed. So get look on your computer and read the Declaration of Independence, and you can see how it's dialed. Yes. You You can't see what I'm reading. Capitalized
[02:16:10] Unknown:
because those words are capitalized.
[02:16:13] Unknown:
Yes. You can't see what I'm write I'm reading. So that's why I emphasized for one capital p people. And then the second paragraph, it says, it is the right, capital r, of the capital p people to alter or abolish it. I yield.
[02:16:31] Unknown:
Well, I would think you would be saying that that's not good. That it should be when you say capital, the capitals, what do you mean? Does that mean that it's not one of the whole people?
[02:16:46] Unknown:
Proper noun. Proper noun. I think that it does refer to the whole people. The way they said the people, there can only be one at the end of the day, and that would be the posterity referred to to ourselves and our posterity in the preamble. It has to be. I mean, I don't know how you could see that any other way. So And as a proper noun,
[02:17:06] Unknown:
yes.
[02:17:09] Unknown:
Is what we're gonna have to do? Importance.
[02:17:12] Unknown:
Remember, Guvenir Morris was the one on the committee of file and arrangement arrangement, and he was not elected to be there. He just did stuff on his own, and they let him. Correct. And he was only and he was friendly rich and well born.
[02:17:34] Unknown:
Right. And he wanted the expos facto law to where he couldn't be held to account what he had perpetrated before that document.
[02:17:45] Unknown:
Yeah. He embezzled $17,000,000.
[02:17:48] Unknown:
Correct. Wow.
[02:17:53] Unknown:
Well, what I'm saying is, wouldn't it be better if the word people one of the whole peoples with small letter p?
[02:18:03] Unknown:
It wasn't even voted on by the, the convention. Guvenir just stuck that in there. The style.
[02:18:15] Unknown:
It was in fact with Well, Brent,
[02:18:18] Unknown:
I I'm capital p pissed off. Thank you for helping me.
[02:18:24] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:18:25] Unknown:
Well well, also, if you listen to the stuff. If you listen to the Tuesday evening show with Mike on 38 rebel madman. It's on FCC, which you're on now, and put in thirty eight rebel madman. You know, the numerals, thirty eight rebel madman. It's on 05:00 in the evening, West Coast time till seven. If you're on the East Coast, add three hours. And also on Thursdays, right after this show on FCC on your DIY health, and you'll get a good dose of this stuff.
[02:19:13] Unknown:
Hey, Brent. What they pull. Hey, Brent. Capital t. Thank you.
[02:19:19] Unknown:
Hey, Brent. You said thirty eight what? Rebel madman?
[02:19:24] Unknown:
Yep.
[02:19:25] Unknown:
Rebel madman. Okay. And, and what time? I'm sorry. I just got a pen.
[02:19:31] Unknown:
Five till seven West Coast time.
[02:19:35] Unknown:
Thank you. I yield. If you're there, call me. Have a number.
[02:19:42] Unknown:
I don't know the number. You you could look that up.
[02:19:49] Unknown:
And you can also go on the show and ask them for all their their links, and they'll probably happily give them to you.
[02:20:04] Unknown:
If I may, Rischelle from, Idaho. When you look at the articles of Confederation, article one says, the style, capital s on style, of this Confederacy, capital c on Confederacy, shall be, and then it has the air quotes, you know, the quotes, the capital t, United capital u, State capital s, of America, capital A, unquote. So Oh. The style of something that's written must upheld some importance for the article one to discuss the style of this Confederacy shall be The United States Of America. So that was the very first article. I yield.
[02:20:53] Unknown:
I always thought when it's of something, it's not good. And then if, like, the state like, the state of Idaho, that's not good. It's Idaho state. So are you saying the articles of confederation are written in the wrong style?
[02:21:15] Unknown:
I'm just reading to you the document. Look it up on the Internet or or get a copy of the Articles of Confederation, and you can see I have a whole book of all of them. Okay. So what is What I'm ask
[02:21:27] Unknown:
I'm asking you though, are you stating that when the style was capitalized, that that's not proper?
[02:21:38] Unknown:
I didn't say that. I just read I just read what the article says, Raquel. I'm not making any opinions. Hi, Eel. Okay.
[02:21:50] Unknown:
I got lost, I guess. Sorry.
[02:21:55] Unknown:
You don't owe me an apology, sweetheart.
[02:21:57] Unknown:
I know. But I'm sorry for my poor brain not following you because I really respect your opinion. I'm missing a whole, gear shift here.
[02:22:06] Unknown:
I know, sweetheart. That's why I'm asking you. Get pull out the articles Confederation, and and you can read what it says and what the style is.
[02:22:15] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm not gonna read. Is the style correct?
[02:22:19] Unknown:
I'm just saying Are you saying it is correct? I'm not making any I'm not making any, comments on whether it's correct or incorrect. I'm just reading
[02:22:27] Unknown:
it. Yeah. If you go to if you listen to 38 Rubble Madman tonight or on Thursday, you could ask Mike those questions, and I'm sure he'll give you a straightforward answer as to what it is. Also, a word of caution to everybody within earshot on here. No one is to mention Roger's name to Mike or Mike's name to Roger because both of them are of an age where they will stroke out. And if anybody listened to RBN over the weekend on Sunday, specifically, Steve Elkins' show, he had, Roger Landry on. And Roger Landry is Tom Landry's brother, you know, the football coach, for, what, Dallas Cowboys.
Well, this guy goes into tirades and what have you and dude had a heart attack. And he's like maybe a few years younger than Mike and, Roger because they're only about six months apart. So don't be throwing these guys into stroke territory or heart attack territory mentioning each other's names. They do not like each other. Period. You don't need to know why. I'm just letting you know they don't like each other. They don't like talking about each other or what each other does. Keep it compartmentalized. Thank you.
[02:24:07] Unknown:
Brent, capital T. Thank you.
[02:24:12] Unknown:
I had a question. Saturday show,
[02:24:20] Unknown:
at the end of the show, there was a woman on that talked about a website on YouTube, Donnie on, about paying utility bills. Anybody investigate that, found anything?
[02:24:42] Unknown:
Lady Linda Louise. Can you hear me, sir?
[02:24:46] Unknown:
Yes.
[02:24:48] Unknown:
What's your name?
[02:24:49] Unknown:
Alan out of Indiana.
[02:24:52] Unknown:
Alan. Greetings, Alan. Lady Linda Louise, Connecticut. It's Eon, e e o n, e e o n.
[02:25:03] Unknown:
E o n.
[02:25:06] Unknown:
Okay. And he talks about I yield.
[02:25:10] Unknown:
Yeah. Can I chime in here? Yeah. I I I'm chiming in here. I, I'm this is Julie. I did watch a couple of his videos, and I was not impressed with the first two. So I need to search more, but then I found a different link, that I think might be better. But I just with my work schedule and everything, haven't had time. So I'm hoping to get to that this weekend and have some answers next week in the after show, I yield.
[02:25:37] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:25:40] Unknown:
Thank you.
[02:25:44] Unknown:
So, Brent, I have a question for you.
[02:25:48] Unknown:
I don't know.
[02:25:50] Unknown:
So we're not supposed to mention the name a m a n. Is that correct?
[02:25:59] Unknown:
Aman's okay. No. Aman's okay. It don't mention Roger's name to Mike or Mike's name to Roger.
[02:26:07] Unknown:
Oh, okay. Because I said hi. I had I had mentioned Amanjabi before, and I thought you had said that we don't mention that name either. Sorry.
[02:26:15] Unknown:
Roger has no idea who Amin Jabi is. Oh, okay. Okay. I do.
[02:26:21] Unknown:
Yep.
[02:26:23] Unknown:
Mike and Roger are just set in their way.
[02:26:29] Unknown:
Their oil and water. Well, they did do a show together for, what, about a year, year and a half, and then a wedge came between them. And it was probably planned that way by someone.
[02:26:46] Unknown:
Uh-huh.
[02:26:48] Unknown:
Oh, what was it I was gonna say? Oh, if you go into Mike's archives on, on Telegram, What is it? Teach Me True History. If you can get the link for that. You can find the show that he, had Amin Javi on there teaching for two hours. And the video.
[02:27:20] Unknown:
Yeah. Hey, Brent. Did you say a man had a heart attack on Steve Elkins' show this past Sunday night?
[02:27:29] Unknown:
He didn't have it on there. He had had one. But if you would listen to his previous shows, he does that, TL something advertisement, on RBN. And he had a Sunday show for a while, and then all of a sudden you didn't hear him. And I find out Sunday that the guy had had a, I guess, a heart attack.
[02:27:57] Unknown:
Uh-huh.
[02:27:58] Unknown:
Yeah. But if you would Are you here to tell me that that Tom Landry and Roger Landry are brothers?
[02:28:06] Unknown:
Yep.
[02:28:07] Unknown:
Unbelievable. Unbelievable.
[02:28:11] Unknown:
Yep.
[02:28:17] Unknown:
Interesting. I'm surprised.
[02:28:19] Unknown:
Yep. Well, when he told me on the shows and stuff, you know, I just have it on just to fill the air and stuff and, you know, when I'm getting ready for work and Roger Landry? That out. Roger been a submariner also. So Roger Landry and Tom Landry, the football coach? Yep. Yeah. Well, okay.
[02:28:48] Unknown:
Go Cowboys.
[02:28:55] Unknown:
This is Rochelle.
[02:28:57] Unknown:
Mhmm. Yeah.
[02:28:59] Unknown:
I I came on your show to ask for if anybody could help me with, someone in the Washington state area I that knows about child custody issues. I just came back from visiting my youngest son, and he's he really he carries the constitution around his pocket, and he tries to do what he can to learn, but he works two jobs and takes care of full care of his son by himself and has another daughter. And the son he needs somebody to help him with his
[02:29:39] Unknown:
Is he in is he in Dutch with CPS right now?
[02:29:45] Unknown:
No. No. He's acting actually
[02:29:48] Unknown:
He he's not on their he's not on their radar screen yet.
[02:29:54] Unknown:
Not to take the children. He's had to report his ex to them because she was endangering his child, but they didn't do anything about it. And I think he's dangerous.
[02:30:05] Unknown:
Number number one, he needs to quit contacting them. Number two, he needs he needs to whip up an affidavit for him. Oh, wow. His wow. He's gonna need his ex's, signature possibly.
[02:30:25] Unknown:
Not possibly. Well More important like needs to talk to somebody face to face. Oh,
[02:30:31] Unknown:
well, no. There's nobody face to face that's knowledgeable enough to get him out of that. He needs to listen to the show. He needs to go back in the cast box and listen to Sarah's story. It's fourteen minutes and it'll hit him at what he needs to do.
[02:30:55] Unknown:
And it's called what?
[02:30:57] Unknown:
Does his does his ex do drugs?
[02:31:02] Unknown:
Alcohol sometimes, but she's far functional.
[02:31:06] Unknown:
She's Does does does he have mind control. Does he have custody?
[02:31:14] Unknown:
Partial, equal, but he doesn't have proper visitation rights. And she always is changing them and it just drives him nuts on purpose to just get him frustrated. He's very calm and he just deals with it but I told him you need those visitation rights in stone and meet in a public place to exchange, and she makes him come to his house, and it's very dangerous. She's gonna set him up for something. She's
[02:31:43] Unknown:
Well, he can have a crazy. He could have a camera or two on him the whole time and that'll stop that one real quick. Yeah. And the cameras are cheap now. You can find them for $10 sometimes and they work really well, and the audio is fantastic.
[02:32:04] Unknown:
And in Washington State, it's mutual. You gotta tell them that you're talk recording them, but not the audio. I mean, not the visual.
[02:32:15] Unknown:
Well, if he has that camera on him in a visible place, she's gonna know what time is.
[02:32:22] Unknown:
Just looking at him, wearing it will be enough to, yeah, put a that's a good idea. So what's the name of this buddy,
[02:32:31] Unknown:
he he needs to file an affidavit with Secretary of State of The US and with the IRS. He might as well notify them too at the same time and then proceed through the state authorities from the attorney general well, governor, attorney general, on down into the county and cities that he deals with.
[02:33:00] Unknown:
That his custody rights are being violated?
[02:33:03] Unknown:
No. His Affidavit of Citizenship Evidence. It takes him out of their, it takes him out of their jurisdiction.
[02:33:15] Unknown:
Well, I don't think he's ready for that, unfortunately.
[02:33:18] Unknown:
He's in the corporate Well, well, he's he well, he well, he ain't ready for what he's about to undergo then. It it's just that simple. He needs to do it.
[02:33:31] Unknown:
So you told me there's a fourteen minute video he can watch?
[02:33:35] Unknown:
Yeah. We call it Sarah's Story. It's fourteen minutes. They took a cut out of the show and highlighted that and Sarah tells her story of what happened with her daughter when they went on vacation.
[02:33:54] Unknown:
They're from And I they're from
[02:33:56] Unknown:
a southern state. They went up to, I believe, South Dakota and then down into Colorado, and they had problems in both places. And they solved those problems real quick with that piece of paper.
[02:34:12] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:34:14] Unknown:
December 4.
[02:34:17] Unknown:
And where do I do this and what link?
[02:34:20] Unknown:
On Castbox, that's castb0x.fm. K. Foxtrot trot mic. Yeah. And you put in RadioRanch, and it takes you over there. And what was the, year? Was it '21 or '22, December fourth?
[02:34:53] Unknown:
It it might be easier finding on the matrix stocks. I think it's there somewhere.
[02:34:59] Unknown:
Yeah. There's probably a link there. That that's a big one.
[02:35:03] Unknown:
Yeah. That one. Okay. My computer's down now, but I will get that up and look at it and pass it on. And then that'll wake them up.
[02:35:14] Unknown:
What kind of phone are you on? A smartphone?
[02:35:18] Unknown:
No. I'm on a I'm on a landline here. I do have a cell when I'm in town.
[02:35:23] Unknown:
Oh, well, go on your cell phone and look up castbox.fm, and it'll take you there. Because 90 to 95% of the time whenever I'm on the show, I'm on my phone. So you can bring all that stuff up.
[02:35:41] Unknown:
And your name is? Brent. I'm not familiar with your voice.
[02:35:50] Unknown:
You ain't?
[02:35:51] Unknown:
You ain't. I
[02:35:53] Unknown:
I I I I I I've only been with Roger for about thirty some years.
[02:36:00] Unknown:
Are you Paul?
[02:36:02] Unknown:
How can you forget Brent?
[02:36:05] Unknown:
Brent? Well, I'm sorry. I your name is Brent. Am I right or wrong? It's b r e n t.
[02:36:14] Unknown:
Brent. Okay. Alright. Yep. Brent. And I'm not winners. I'm the other Brent.
[02:36:21] Unknown:
Well, I'm just no. Your voice is very distinctive. I'm not able to get on Roger's sales very often, but hopefully now I'll be able to hear more.
[02:36:31] Unknown:
How long have you been with all these family issues.
[02:36:34] Unknown:
How long have you been listening to Roger?
[02:36:38] Unknown:
I started hearing him probably a year ago. He's wonderful. I'd like to listen to him every morning, but I have to put the phone right up to my ear. I and that means I and I can't carry it around with me. It's an old landline on the wall, so
[02:36:55] Unknown:
I can't do anything else. And so Well, why don't you up why don't you upgrade the one and stick it on speakerphone?
[02:37:06] Unknown:
That would be a great idea to get a speakerphone for my landline. And I did get one. It didn't work. So this is the one I have right now. I got one that you can walk around with it, and that was better. But, anyway, this is what I have right now and I I live so primitive. I spend a lot of time what would get going to the outhouse and hauling water and right now I'm snowed in and almost in a panic till I can get out tomorrow. I have a huge meeting with the commissioners tomorrow, representing the people on the land with the emergency management, committee. They asked me to they asked me.
[02:37:56] Unknown:
What previous invitation.
[02:37:59] Unknown:
Anyway What previous what previous teachings have you had? I'm noticing some.
[02:38:06] Unknown:
I know about the I know about the
[02:38:10] Unknown:
national. Who did you follow-up? Tuesday
[02:38:13] Unknown:
Thursday classes with the Republic with the Republic, classes at Linda Louise and I, I've been in that forever.
[02:38:23] Unknown:
Oh, okay.
[02:38:25] Unknown:
And so I'm familiar with and a lot of it I haven't done everything I should. And I'm trying to, but I'm I'm just having
[02:38:36] Unknown:
a lot of existing.
[02:38:39] Unknown:
Some of your verbiage is gonna throw you into the David Straiton and Yvonne Wrong, category. Oh. So so I would tone some of that down. You know, just talk normally and use the Latin terms you hear on here and they can't they can't construe the two. They'll try to, but they usually can't because we don't talk like they do.
[02:39:08] Unknown:
I was of course, I heard about them and And and we try not to talk like them. Okay.
[02:39:17] Unknown:
I haven't like it.
[02:39:20] Unknown:
I I had not I was not impressed with her the first or second time I heard about her.
[02:39:28] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, so far, Anivan Wright's stuff is gonna get you shot and killed, like what happened to that, Utah mother's, son. And then, David Strait, What? His wife is probably still languishing in jail from what we hear. And that's been over a year.
[02:39:50] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm pretty lawful as I can and legal. And I wish I, you know, I have all my tags and everything just because I'm traveling back and forth. I have been stopped and I have been treated very well when they when I explained to them our article one section eight clause 17. But,
[02:40:15] Unknown:
I've never been there.
[02:40:19] Unknown:
Remember, you're dealing with a 90 IQ person that's politically correct or politically connected and, it it it's garble in his brain.
[02:40:36] Unknown:
Yes. But it won't have just having it printed in a specific black and white print laminated on the back of my legal license plate. When they turn that over, if they are at all savvy, they go, oh, I have I have seen this. And they hand it back to me very politely. But
[02:41:00] Unknown:
You might go through the Department of Transportation for The US and get you a, what is that number? It's a, a private, vehicle number.
[02:41:15] Unknown:
DOT?
[02:41:16] Unknown:
Yeah. DOT number.
[02:41:19] Unknown:
Oh, and you get it on and you can just include that on your little statement on the back of your license?
[02:41:26] Unknown:
Oh, you could do that and or make you a plate with that specific number. That number is assigned to you, period.
[02:41:35] Unknown:
That might get me thrown in jail or stop the road.
[02:41:41] Unknown:
Well, if you look at, what's happened with Joe Lustica, it's turning out well now.
[02:41:49] Unknown:
I'm willing to do that when I finished all my revocation of election, done everything, but I haven't gotten all that done yet. But I would say putting a department DOT number on the back of my light. My card would be good.
[02:42:07] Unknown:
Well, the first thing you should do is file with the, Secretary of State of The US as well as the IRS, have them on notice, and then begin the rest of the festivities.
[02:42:23] Unknown:
Because the IRS is a record of a court of record.
[02:42:29] Unknown:
Well, yeah. You want it in there as well as, you know, Secretary of State. Secretary of State is first and foremost, then notify the IRS and then go on down the line with your notifications. And then when you're ready to get your passport or passport card or both, send in, you know, your affidavit notarized and, you know, with your application. The postal clerk is probably gonna try not to put it in there and make every lame excuse except for you're going to read the application and you're going to find the black box warning and show him that you can.
And you don't need to give him a reason or anything because they tried that crap with me. Oh, well, what is it? That's something between me and the Secretary of State was my answer. Oh, well, why do you want to send it? Because it says I can
[02:43:37] Unknown:
was my Now you're not are you talking about when you do the, DOT or the Department of Transportation No. No. No. No.
[02:43:45] Unknown:
I'm talking to the area of state
[02:43:48] Unknown:
and getting your passport. Yes. Yes. I'm all about it. Because they try and discourage you from sending it. Yeah. And some of them some of them will downright not say, I'm not gonna send it.
[02:44:03] Unknown:
You know? Somehow they got What what's the reason they say they won't send it?
[02:44:09] Unknown:
They just stand on their authority that they ain't gonna do it.
[02:44:14] Unknown:
And they don't know any difference.
[02:44:17] Unknown:
And then through. You either talk to their boss and or find another post office to send it. But you take that you take that packet from them because they're gonna try and destroy or leave out that card. And watch them see and watch them seal the envelope and make and thumb through the papers to make sure that affidavit is in there.
[02:44:47] Unknown:
What I did was ask for a copy. I asked the post guy, for a copy of what he was including. So Oh.
[02:45:04] Unknown:
Mhmm. Numbered but, well, pages could be numbered also.
[02:45:09] Unknown:
Well, what I did was get a copy of the application that I was filing. So
[02:45:17] Unknown:
How did they're not gonna copy anything there in the post office. Yes. He asked bring in a secondary
[02:45:23] Unknown:
Nope. He did. Right in front of me.
[02:45:28] Unknown:
Oh. Yeah. That interesting. Yep. And then you you made him take a copy of all those things you're sending to the secretary of state.
[02:45:38] Unknown:
Am I correct? Which was the application and the, affidavit.
[02:45:43] Unknown:
Wow. And they did that at the post office?
[02:45:47] Unknown:
Correct. Now it's not a a copy of my signed application. He copied it before I signed it because I asked for it before I signed it. And I also had him attach my affidavit before I signed it. And he said, well, I thought it'd be easier for you to sign first, then I'll attach it. I said, no. You attach it first, then I will sign the application. And so he did. And they generally do what you tell them to do as long as you are forthright and stand on your authority and convictions. And so that's what he did for me.
[02:46:32] Unknown:
Because I told him have Yeah. Go ahead.
[02:46:40] Unknown:
No. What I'm saying is I I told him I wanted a copy of what I was signing, and I wanted my affidavit of, attached before I signed. And he did that.
[02:46:57] Unknown:
And did he did is it was there a mark or anything? The reason you get this is proof that it was actually sent by the post office. Correct?
[02:47:11] Unknown:
Well, as a general rule, anytime you put your your signature or autograph on a document, better keep a copy of it.
[02:47:25] Unknown:
Right. But I would have just brought an extra copy in with me and maybe have them state sign it. This is a copy of what went into the envelope. I've never done that when I've sent official things through the post office. I've just, kept a copy myself.
[02:47:46] Unknown:
Generally, they're they are not gonna sign on to a copy of something. But if they make copies themselves, then therefore, it is. All's I'm saying is they're not gonna look through to see if your copy is the same as what you have provided to them.
[02:48:09] Unknown:
But for them to make just kept that copy and wrote on it that it was copied by the post office. This is the copy of what was sent?
[02:48:19] Unknown:
No. It's the first option. I I've got the copy of it, and I keep it in my documents folder, you know, my travel papers, so to speak.
[02:48:29] Unknown:
Yeah. I was That's powerful. Keep those with you.
[02:48:35] Unknown:
So I I'm just saying, if you have them copy what you are providing and what you are sending in, they're not gonna have any problem. Now it did take Very interesting. You know, a second for him to, you know, consider what I was asking for. But he Mhmm. He gave me what I asked for. So ask. And then you keep that
[02:49:02] Unknown:
you know, you keep that in your travel papers Yeah. And then you make a extra copy of it too.
[02:49:10] Unknown:
Well, I have that. Though.
[02:49:13] Unknown:
It's Yeah. It is? Date it when you sign it.
[02:49:20] Unknown:
That might be, but my passport is documentation of the date of the application. Yes. That's true. Anyway Yeah. All I'm saying is that Well, that's
[02:49:33] Unknown:
double.
[02:49:34] Unknown:
Correct. I'm just curious. How many people got a copy of their application for their passport? I did.
[02:49:42] Unknown:
Yeah. Instead of just making one and
[02:49:46] Unknown:
keeping it making it at the local store and then Or no. You just fill it out, send it in, and you don't you have no proof of what you put on that document, that application.
[02:49:57] Unknown:
I'd never do that. I would have one that I'd already done before I went to the post office, and then having them make the copy, that's very good. Very good idea. Another thing I did when I make official mailings is I, I have them I I use my debit card, and then I have a receipt of the time and date that they actually made the mailing. And I and I taped that to my copy that I sent that this was sent on such and such a date. Because I don't trust that maybe someone might throw it in the trash too. But then when I get a confirmation it was received, then I actually, put that on there also of this because they do a they can do a track they'll do a tracking on your paperwork, and I write that it was received.
[02:51:01] Unknown:
Well Alright. Well, I think it's time to take the stream of this. So it could be just a lockstep and it ain't right.
[02:51:07] Unknown:
But there's a lot of good things that I learned as a half week. Marcel,
[02:51:13] Unknown:
Paul is speaking. We yield to him. Thank you, Paul. Yeah.
[02:51:18] Unknown:
Thank you, Sherry. That's it for the Radio Ranch, including a couple hours of after show there for you. Catch us here Monday through Saturday, 11AM to 1PM eastern, if not longer. You can for more information on the topics discussed, go to the matrixdocs.com. It is the matrixd0cs.com. You can find the links to free conference call. Join us live on the show. Join the folks in the after show, or grab the links for eurofolkradio.com or Global Voice Radio Network, and, listen to the show anywhere pretty much. Thanks for joining us. I'm Paul from Global Voice Network. We'll see you right back here tomorrow, 11AM eastern, on the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales.
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Thank you, and welcome to the program.
[00:01:33] Unknown:
Oh, yes. Well, we all would. Actually, it is kinda swaying in our favor these days. Interestingly enough, Roger Sales, your host here at Radio Ranch, name of our get together. It is the February 18, and, we're on a number of different platforms, and, mister mister Beaner, Paul Beaner is, the one that pretty much attaches those, hooks them up, and rides herd over them. So he knows who they are, and we always at the start here, even though it seems somewhat redundant. Well, I like to give these folks credit for, helping us extend our reach a bit.
So, Paul, if you would, please.
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Yeah. I'd be happy to do that. Thank you, Raj. Good morning. Hi. We have, we are on, Eurofolkradio.com and, of course, is our flagship station. We're on Global Voice Radio Network that is radio.globalvoiceradio.net. We're also on one zero six point nine W B O U FM in Chicago and on radiosoapbox.com, for the first hour of the program today, W B O U N, Radio Soapbox catches just first hour, they leave at twelve eastern. We're also on homenetwork.tv, freedom nation Tv, go live TV, and stream life.tube. Thanks to WDRN productions and the net family of broadcast services, Port Collins, Colorado. And we are also, the links to the streams and free conference calls so you can join us on the show. Those are on the website, thematrixdocs.com.
The matrix, d 0 c s Com. And that's about it. That's Yeah. About a well, hey. I've caught up within a, like, a hundred and twenty seconds, I guess. Well, it's full compliment, I guess, today. Right? And we sure do appreciate all that.
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Maybe even have some bread friends listening over there. They if they dial in, they probably think it's like nuts here with all this stuff we talk about. They, they got their own particular set of problems over there with mister Starmer and all of the garbage that's happening. I sure hope your morning's better than Paul and mine. Mine hadn't been too great this morning either. So, hope everything's alright with you. Come couple interesting tidbits. We can talk about gold and silver a lot lately, and probably touch on it again today, because all of a sudden, Sheckman's all over the place. Tom sent me a, another interview overnight with it's kind of saying the same stuff, but he said something on one of them that I listened to, I think, Sunday.
It was very interesting, and he didn't identify the refiner. Right? But the biggest refiner in the world of metals, didn't name them. This is Andy Scheckman, not me. I'm relating what he said. He's the expert. I'm the student. And he said that the largest refiner of metals in the world as of the twentieth, '2 days away, is going to raise, the premium on gold and silver ounce $3.50 an ounce. Now that's interesting because $3.50 on an ounce of gold didn't match. $3.50 on an ounce of silver is about 10%. And he he said, that he expected, the other refiners around the world to jump on that pretty quick.
There's, serious supply shortages in those. You know, if you wanted to cash in and get your metals out of one of these places, you got it stored like COMEX or one of these places, and they go, yeah. We'll get it to you. It's gonna be 6 to 8 weeks. That's not that's not prompt delivery, folks, for something that is yours that is in the fiduciary relationship with these Alabama and the 40 thieves. Alabama, Alabama, and the 4,000 thieves, whatever. So, again, it'd be very wise now, mister Scheckman is looking at all this activity, and, the metals are leaving your London and the London Bullion Market Exchange. Like, they're not leaving. They left.
And to the point, Paul, where they're actually hiring commercial airliners to fly gold, which is a that's the heaviest asset on the, on the asset on the, elements chart to fly them to New York. So it's not even on the slow boat to China, man. They're putting it on on on commercial, airliners. So they're wanting to get it over there real quick for some reason. Alright? And if, we mentioned it a couple of times. This is Andy Shekman again. If you've got gold that you have stored at the London Bullion Market Exchange, They are making an open offer to you that if you'll turn their loan your gold to them so they can send it to New York, they'll pay you 16% per month on the vault.
And Sheckman said, if you do that, you're a fool.
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Yeah. Because if you don't have physical possession of it, you don't own it. So get it out of there.
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Well, I mean, I don't have possession physical possession all in mind, Paul, and I still own it. I know where it is in a very safe place, but I don't have it here. K? Right. So you you you that statement's not always correct. Oak. Yes. But that but where you have yours stored and where other people have, like, certificates of deposits. Oh, no. I got well, I totally agree with you there. Well, yeah. Well, those are ETFs. Those are electronic traded funds, and all they do is deal in paper. They're, and this is also pretty interesting. This is something that Catherine Austin Fitch brought out in that interview, that I had never heard before.
Extremely interesting. And that's over on usawatchdog.com. He was at the interview posted Sunday with Catherine. And evidently, Larry Fink at BlackRock, they have now opened up a Bitcoin ETF. I I I don't pay any attention to Bitcoin or the cyber coins, period. But this is her thing. He when they open up an ETF like that, they have to disclose stuff. You know? Well, guess what, Paul? There isn't a $21,000,000 Bitcoin ceiling. They can add to that if they want to. And that's what came out when they opened up the ETF and had to disclose all this stuff. So there isn't a $21,000,000 limit on the top of Bitcoin.
More shenanigans. Okay? And I really would advise you to go listen to that, article, that interview with, Catherine. She's pretty sharp gal. Okay? And, so there was a couple other things in there too, but, that was the big one, because that's been a big selling point. Oh, is there a limit? There's only gonna be so many mind. Well, evidently, that's a lie. K? So, I'd be very cautious, but, yeah. If you got a good chance and you got extra Federal Reserve notes, it'd be a real good time to lock into some AU or AG. Morning, Larry. How are you?
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Good. How are you today?
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I'm not So too good, but, maybe I'll get better. Go ahead.
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I hope you get better, feel better.
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So I was Well, you know, Larry, it's like my it's like my old buddy used to say. He said, some days you get the bear and some days the bear gets you. Go ahead.
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Yep. So I was listening to a couple of videos about this whole gold situation and at the top of the news is Elon wants to audit the federal or the, for for,
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Fort Knox. Knox. Yes. Fort Knox. Yeah. And supposedly, there's there's
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there's, over 4,000 tons of gold in four docks. Last time it was audited was in 1974, and I was listening to Mike Maloney, and he said that when that occurred in 1974, they only allowed one of the chambers for for
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To be examined.
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Yes. One out of 50 show up, and they only were able to audit 6% of the dolian in 1974. And then Alright. I also learned that you're talking about how they're using commercial airliners to fly over the phone into The United States. That started right after Christmas, and their goal was to, and it was coming out of one minute. Their goal was to have at least 2,000 pounds of gold on a flight, and if they could not because maybe they there's more than abundance of Fargo and passengers and all that, they would try to get about a thousand pounds of flight. And for some reason, this influx occurred right around Christmas time.
So something's going on, you know, behind the scenes, obviously.
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Well, there is. And also there's, rumors about, oh, who's this gal's name? I can't think of her. Judy Shelton. Are you familiar with her?
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Mhmm.
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Larry, are you familiar? Have you ever heard of Judy Shelton?
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No. I'm not familiar with her.
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Last time Trump was in, there was her and another guy, and I don't remember the guy's name. They're both gold bugs, and, Trump was gonna try and get them on the Federal Reserve Board. They didn't let them on there. Judy Shelton is back hanging around. I believe she's written a book. She may be appointed the next governor of the Federal Reserve Board, speculation. And she's a huge gold bug. Now according to the rumors I heard, I think I heard them from Shekman again, that, they are the the rumor that's kind of going around is that Trump wants to issue a fifty year bond.
Currently our longest is thirty. He wants to issue a fifty year bond, backed by gold, and announce it at the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the country next summer. K? Whether he's going pardon me, Paul? Couple of things. Finish your thought, and then I've got a couple of things. Oh, I was just gonna say, he's, you know, he's kinda shut down the bricks, and he's working with he's going from a unipolar world where we were the boss to a multipolar world where he wants to have communications and working relationships, it seems, with both Russia and China, and that those would be the three hegemons that would control the world and have their own self interest locked in. And that's why he's going back to them as multipolar partners and suggesting and floating the idea openly that he's gonna suggest to them that all three countries cut 50% off their defense budgets and stop this arms race, and and and and let's try and get in a position where all three of us can function and be, happy in this world and not be always trying to screw with each other.
This is, you know, a great idea. Okay? So that is what's happening. Alright? Right now. Okay. Paul, go ahead. I can pick up the other stuff in a minute. Okay. Couple of thoughts.
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The reason that they're putting the gold on planes is because they don't wanna put gold on ships. It'll take it too long to get here, and it'll be Could could you? It'll be, too, susceptible to piracy and theft. What? Because, you know, they got a boat with a bunch of gold in the belly. There's gonna be all kinds of pirates going after that, Particularly, probably some of them that are that are, getting their marching orders from the deep state trying to intercept that cold. Oh, okay. So and another thing, as far as Sportknox, I have a firsthand account from a person who was in the military that was stationed at Fort Knox guarding that facility was decades ago. Okay. There has not been any gold in Fort Knox of any consequence for decades.
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No. If you'll think back, John, I believe I don't know if it's under Obama maybe or but he had a treasury secretary named Mnuchin. Remember him?
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Mhmm.
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Had that nice little shiksa wife. He went to Fort Knox and he came out and said gold is safe. He didn't say the, he said gold is safe.
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Yeah. Okay?
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Now the question is not whether the gold is in Fort Knox or not. The question is, if it isn't there, is who owns it? Mhmm. Because it can be in there and not owned by The United States Of America with these sorry ass thieving bastards around.
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Right.
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K. So hopefully, we'll find out something that maybe, whatever's happening, it's something unusual, whether it's bending to Trump, whether they're gonna look at because he started he basically put the bricks down. Okay? And, is he trying to step in and back The US currency with gold? As this tariff thing has something to do with that, get rid of the income tax, and your income tax should be paid by the tariffs. The these things we're gonna have to wait and see as they unfold, but they're pretty serious changes, and wholesale.
Okay? So those are a couple of the things that are happening that were on my mind. Roger. What did you yes, ma'am. There's Julie. Hi, Julie.
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Hi. Good morning. Did you also hear about what Catherine Austin Fitts reported on, on that interview with Greg Hunter about FASB fifty six?
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Well, I've heard that, you you know, a year or two ago. Yeah.
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Yeah. I mean, that that's just something that's just horrible for people who don't know FASB fifty six, Financial Accounting Standards Board. Am I too loud or can you hear me? No. You're fine. And it's another, like, another, we mentioned it yesterday, CAFRs. It's just another more accounting crap. Right? Well, no. This is even worse. This is worse. Roger, this is worse. They don't have to obey the financial management regulations or the financial management laws, and they don't even have to obey the United States Constitution under FASB 56, which was passed by Congress in 02/2018, and Trump.
So they can take all of the books dark, like the Treasury, the Pentagon, the 24 covered agencies, 56 other government entities, all the big contractors who do business with the government. The whole Treasury bond market is dark now. Even the large cap US stocks are dark. Everything's a secret now.
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That's really bad. Well, look at why
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I mean, you know, again, I'll beat the drum. Gold and silver are both going up pretty quickly. If you got any extra change, it'd be a really good investment and a really good time to jump in there. Okay? But Yep. That's up to you. I don't know your financial situation or anything else. Okay? But just a word to the wise.
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K? And, you know, I I report sorry. I reported to you that I thought that Bitcoin wasn't backed by anything. And if you heard Catherine Austin Fitz say on that interview, she said the Ponzi scheme.
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Yeah. I heard that. But I I disagree with you that it's not backed by anything because it is. It's backed by real expensive machines that mine it. The most the cost of, in the whole thing is the electricity. So there are costs that in essence back it. So in that respect, I I disagree with you on that.
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Okay. Well, you know, she also said that only 2% of the holders it's it's about 2% of all the holders of Bitcoin own and control 70% of the outstanding Bitcoin. So it's such a huge concentration that how are they gonna get out? If they all wanna sell it, they're gonna trash the price.
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So Well, I can't do that. I think they're probably working together to do what she suggests, with no proof, just an instinct because she's been working around and knows these bastards the same way I do for many, many years, and it makes perfect sense to me. On top of that, I've heard that what they're doing at BlackRock is taking natural resources and collateralizing them. They've run out of collateral. They've leavened it as far as they can leaven it. Okay? We can come back to that, Julie, if you're not familiar with that term from Jesus, the leaven of the Pharisees.
Okay. They've leavened the collateral about as high as they can leaven it, and they've only propped up by derivatives. The only reason we've come from 02/2008 to where we are is because of derivatives. Okay? And the whole thing is a house of cards. It's getting ready to go down. Maybe Trump can save it. Maybe he can't. We'll see. Okay? But what they're looking to do according to Fitts, and this is very feasible, is come in here with this new sovereign wealth fund and have it backed with a whole bunch of something like Bitcoin or other, as she puts it, Ponzi scheme cyber coins.
They take that with the value and the whole value of all the assets in The US is well, I what'd you say? $14,000,000 or something, whatever the figure was, is that they're gonna take the sovereign wealth fund pumped up by these fake coins, which are worth nothing in the end, and exchange them for all the real property. And then they can take that and collateralize all that. So it wouldn't surprise me at all if that's what's they're trying to do here.
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Right. Yep. I just bought that book that she recommended, Hijacking Bitcoin by Roger Ver and Steve Patterson. So
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Yeah. And what happened in Ver is and, of course, it's another big thing. Barnes was talking about it. By the way, Julie, are you listening to Barnes yet on Sunday nights? No. I didn't have a chance to, but that's I I want I go back and relisten to stuff this recording. Okay. Well, just so I didn't know if you were even aware of them or not on that program. He mentioned the Roger Verre thing. And, what they're doing is, Roger Verre, who was, nicknamed bit Bitcoin Jesus, some of because of his advocacy of Bitcoin from the start. And I I heard him tell his story. I heard him interviewed, I think with Viva Fry or somebody the other day.
And he was out in Silicon Valley. That's where he's born and raised, and he got into this real early. And I forget what he he did something. Oh, he stood up and called the BATF ugly names, and they came after him. And, and they threw him in jail for a couple of years. And before putting a bird, there's a thing there's a thing that scares away birds. If you got gardens or fields and it's basically a firecracker, and he sold one on on eBay, And they they, busted him for selling firearms out of license. Threw him in jail for a couple years. When he got out of jail, first thing he did was go get on a plane and leave the country.
K? Jack's kinda like that down here. He had an experience like that. That's pretty interesting also. So, anyway, then Ver got into Bitcoin and and started really promoting it because he saw the, chance to have an alternative monetary supply. K? And, what has happened according to him, and this is the book he's written, and why the justice department is after him and trying to extradite him from Spain right now unless Trump gets in there and pulls the charges, which is I do expect to happen. But Roger Ver had so much Bitcoin. He started Blockchain.com and a a whole bunch of little businesses about having to do with, Bitcoin.
And, so he even expatriated. He literally we repatriated. He expatriated. He gave up his United States nationality because of his intense feelings about these people and the way they do things and how he'd been treated. Well, even though he had left the country, he's got Bitcoin and he had expatriated thereafter him to pay $200,000,000 in taxes or some ridiculous amount on the Bitcoin that he owns even though he's not a citizen of The United States. And so they wrote this book. Evidently, that's what triggered this prosecution. And, his thesis is that they've taken this Bitcoin that was a very suitable, currency replacement with some honesty to it and no usury.
And, they've got a couple of three or four big buyers who have bought most of the supply out there and are playing all these games with it on pump and dump.
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Yeah. So that's what that's what Catherine that's what Catherine Austin fit said she said. I'm trying to Bitcoin. Yep. Yep. The the Bitcoin was converted from what could have been a very successful payment to its system into an asset used to pump and dump. And and as a result, it doesn't have any fundamental utility anymore. It's basically a liquid.
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Yep. So, anyway, that's her thesis. I I I tend to agree with her. I've messed with it in a while. I got aggravated with it. You know? And my pride is my deal for me personally is look. I'm 76 years old and a half. I got no errors. I got a little pile of gold. I'm fine. I'm not interested in upside. You know, it's like Will Rogers said, I'm not interested in the return on my money. I'm interested in the return of my money. Okay? And and I pretty much feel the same way. I got plenty. I don't I'm not I don't care about the big house on the hill, big car. I don't care about all that. It's that's all chasing the rat race. K?
And, I long since stepped off the hamster wheel.
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Oh, well, thank you for all you do.
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Well, I you know, less is more. That's the conclusion I've come to in this life, and that's that might not be for everybody, but it sure works well for me. K? Yeah. That's my The That's what my mother always taught me. Less is more. Don't junk it up. When in doubt, leave out. You know, and see, here's what I kinda learned in my divorce so many years ago is that you don't own things, the things own you because they're always demanding your attention. They always gotta have maintenance. They gotta have insurance. They gotta have upkeep. They gotta have this, that, or the other. And all you're doing is back on the hamster wheel trying to get that thing running so you can service all the crap that you own that owns you.
K? That's the conclusion I came to. You can come to your own. But, it served me pretty well. And besides, I like freedom. I wanna be able to just get up. If I wanna go and move somewhere, I wanna be able to just get up and do it. You're tied down with land and real estate and all this stuff you gotta sell and all that. You're not free. Okay? And I saw that in Argentina with a bunch of Americans that went down there when stuff was real cheap, you know, and they're they go down there waving handfuls of hundred dollar bills. I've always wanted to own a vineyard.
Well, they get in there and buy that vineyard, and, now they can't get out. They can't sell it. They never got their residency. So the minute you sell something, they take 30% off the top if you're not a resident. So that puts them deeper underwater, and they're stuck. K? So, anyway, less is more for me. Whatever it is for you is fine. So, anyway, I would encourage I'm sure Julie would too to listen to that Catherine Austin Fitts interview. It's a good one. And, well, I sure wish we could get her our information to her. I have not been able to to this point.
But you you all these people that are so dedicated and so they've spent their whole lives in whatever their career career field is, and it's happening right now, whatever it is, for the most part. They're concentrating on that. And you bring something like this to them with with the, e m a built in confusion, and you're it's gonna be a rare event if you get their attention. That's my conclusion.
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K? Hey, Roger? Yes. I I I I've been a subscriber to the Solari report for a long time. I have Catherine's number and her email. I'll I'll shoot her an email and see if,
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I can hook you guys up. Shoot her. Shoot her. Yeah. Plea anybody you're promoting our stuff, and please use that God's Trump card video. It's so effective. K? I feel like. But, Nancy, yeah, if you do that, great. Just here's something you probably don't know about that's the key to the whole thing. What we have is the key, the undergirding, the base foundation of corruption that the whole thing's built on, and nobody understands it. Barnes doesn't understand it. Levitt doesn't understand it. They're all over it on this birthright citizenship, but nobody makes the connection or ask the question, well, where else was birthright citizenship used? That's the only question they have to ask, and Pandora's box will open up for you.
Yes. If you do that, Nancy, I'd appreciate it. Maybe she maybe you'll catch her at a good moment. That was that was it's me, Julie, who has her number. Oh, I'm sorry, Julie. I thought it was Nancy.
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We sound a lot alike.
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Yes. You do. And you sound a lot like Robin when she comes on. I can't differentiate you two. Okay. So where else? Somebody else got something to bring up this morning here? I probably could talk a bit more. Few things on my mind, and I plan on it, but I wanna query you first. Anybody of our small number in the group today want yes. There's Joan. Yes, ma'am.
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Yes. Would you say the Jewish would you say the International Jewish Bank
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Your little your little yipper giving you problems? Yeah. Hey. Hey. I'm on the telephone.
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Come come go back. I'm sorry. Would you say Go the international Jewish bankers run and control the United States federal government?
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Well, yeah, they have up to now. That's why they're so apoplectic because they don't have it. They've controlled the United States government by and far the most part since March well, before '33. I mean, you know, even on, William t McFadden, the collective speeches, he makes a comment. In one of those speeches, he said, they control every important office here in Washington. That was in the nineteen thirties. How thorough you think their control is now a hundred years later almost, Joan?
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Yeah. I agree.
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Okay. Now Trump's got him upset, and he's doing a bunch of stuff that's just he's taking a wrecking ball to their deal right now. K? God bless him. Pray for him. That's all I'm you may you may not even like him. That's okay. Pray for him. You better pray for him. Okay? And if you don't think prayer works, why do you think they'll arrest somebody standing across the street from an abortion clinic that's silently praying? Why do you think if they catch you praying in your home for anti abortion that they'll arrest you? If if god doesn't do something and prayer doesn't work, you think they'd be doing that? Probably not. Okay. Who else? There's somebody else out there?
May I? Lady Linda Louise, may I? Of course. Of course. Now look, I want you to know we had one guy and we've had three ladies. One guy, three ladies. Yes, Linda. Please.
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Well, Catherine Austin fits. I just love her to pieces because she is not a doom and gloom kinda gal. She believes in in faith. And she said that she prays over her body. A friend of hers taught her this and has asked anything that came from the air, nanobots, anything that she's eating, nanobots, whatever, that if they're not on the side of Jesus, that they have to flee from her body. That's how powerful prayer is.
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I love that. A friend of hers told her about that. She said she tried it and and she felt better. Psychosomatic? I don't know.
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But that's what Katherine said. Again, that's So the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things I cannot see. I yield. Yep. Yeah. Well, I agree with you there, Linda.
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You know, when I was younger, I used to bargain with God. You know? I was going through rough times in your life, a divorce, and, you know, I said, if you're real, make that bush out there light on fire. Well, obviously, that doesn't work. That's not the way to approach it, I learned. But, you know, I've been looking for truth for whole all my life since I was in high school in the sixties, my formative years in that upheaval of the country time. And, I just always been looking for truth. I always knew something was wrong. Never could put my hand on it. I had my, my wife's, first wife's family had a yeah. I had a brother-in-law who was an optometrist up there in Athens, Alabama, just to the west of, Huntsville, Limestone County up there, and we'd go out and play golf. He was a scratch golfer, and I'd never played golf in my life. So it's quite frustrating for me. But, his name was Skeeter. That was his nickname.
And, Skeeter would tell me back and this is in the this is in the seventies. Skeeter tell me about, I guess he'd gone to some John Birch meetings that about this group that would meet every year called the Bilderbergers, and all the press would be there. And they never would let anything out. And that's the first time I ever really came across anything on this. And so, it had an indelible effect on me. And so, I went forward in another decade or so and crossed paths with John and Glenn. Got a totally out of a fluke. I mean, it's it's just a miracle that we're here.
I mean, you know, and we've gone over it before. John and Glenn taught for six months. And what they did was John met Glenn at a traffic seminar in Bullhead City, Arizona. And so Glenn was very curious about all this. So they exchanged information and, and later on hooked up together. And John sent Glenn a bunch of his stuff, and Glenn goes, we make a business out of this because of the three year return on investment of the IRS. And so what they did was they took all of they went and reprinted. We've got some. Daryl's got them. I I just didn't have the heart to throw them away. When I was leaving the country, I had all these books they replanted. High quality reprinting, Cook, Pollock and Maitland, Shepherd's Touchstone, and all these old English things that John had been studying that were important.
I had a whole bunch of those up in my attic in Florida, but I got I got it up to Daryl. Daryl's got a bunch of them, Daryl Wayne now. He's kind of the still the library for all this stuff. And, anyway, they sent a bunch of that to the IRS in Philadelphia. They wrote them a letter, and they said, we're gonna be going around the country teaching. This and here, we wanna let you know. And if you've got any agents that wanna come, here's the schedule of where we're gonna be and and have them show their ID, and we'll let them in free, and we'll give them free class materials. And the IRS wrote them back and said, well, thank you very much.
We're gonna turn this over to the education department. And boy did they. Because just a little while later, John and Glenn got an education from the education department because they all showed up with blocks and held them at their head for a number of hours and wouldn't let them get up off the floor and all that kind of stuff. So let me tell you, they and us got an education from the education department. K? Now what we all knew at that time, I was just green as a twig. You're having all this high end law stuff and all this complex IRS crap thrown at you.
So my head was kinda spinning, but I looked at that incident. They hit all three offices simultaneously. Fortunately, Glenn was in California and called back into the office, and they did let somebody answer the phone. And he was very guarded, and Glenn could tell that something was going on. And the first thing he did was hang up the phone and go to the bank and take all the money out of the bank. If they had gotten to that, they'd have been dead in the water. But now at least they had some funds. Okay? And so, as that happened, I still didn't know too much. I was pretty confused still, but I did know that the federal government doesn't move that fast on anything.
You know, at the same time, I mentioned his name before. Some of you old timers probably know who this guy is. Phil Marsh. Any of you heard of Phil Marsh? I'll bet you hadn't, Julie, have you? I'm gonna say probably not. Phil Marsh was one of the early guys. Haven't heard of Phil Marsh. Okay. Well, he unfortunately, I think he died in federal prison, him and his wife. He was, he had a, a a deal called the pilot society, and, he would put the, term untaxing into the lexicon. But he said, I'm gonna go right I'm untaxing people. Yeah.
Well, Phil obviously didn't have hardly any of this right. He was running on a bunch of patriot mythology. And, they let him go for five years. They literally let him on ABC News with Stone Phillips or Geraldo Rivera or one of those jokers on a Friday night for a whole hour talking about his stuff. And and what I've come to understand is if you're teaching bad stuff, oh, man, they'll let you go on for a long time. Because now you're attracting all the people that they really wanna get, the potential upsurge up, upstarts.
And they can come in and let you go. And then they when they get you, they get all of you. Well, here excuse me. John and Glenn only been teaching for a few months. And they come down on them, all three offices with with CID. So right there at that point, we knew there was something serious here. We knew they were right about something. Okay? And so, at that point in time, best I figured, Julie, there's maybe about 300,000,000, maybe slightly over in the country. This is in early nineties. And, at that time, they taught for six months. There's 1,200 people that went through their class. You heard another one recently, Chris, our new listener student in California, and he has Richard McDonald's law library. Well, Richard McDonald is one of John and Glenn students. I'm I met Rich. I knew him a little bit, not much.
Delightful guy. He was a California state citizen guy. And as I was telling Chris and reminiscing, I went out to visit him. I dropped by his house one time when I was out there in California, and he had a little house there. And he had a law library built onto the side, and there was a big tree there. And he had built his law library around that tree. And and it was in the middle. It went up through the roof. And there's all the law books are all in big circle around there. Great. Chris has got his law library. So anyway, at that point in time, there's about 300,000,000 people in the country and they taught for twelve twelve, about six months.
Twelve hundred people went through there. Out of 300,000,000, 12 hundred people went through that course and paid to go through it. I was the only one that took this information further after that raid. I mean, that is how thin the thread is, folks, that we're hanging by right here. One out of 1,200 out of 300 plus million. That's the ice we're skating on right now, and it's thin, folks. It's just by the grace of God that we're here. K? Because the reason I I wasn't in there to avoid taxes or I had an IRS problem. Hell, I'd never made enough money to have an IRS problem. And I've been dutiful little tax filer just like all of you were at some point for the most part.
And, man, when I this stuff just hit me, knocked me over, and then I just couldn't shake it. I could not get it out of my mind. And I think the reason is because the other 1,199 people that went through there had a tax problem. I had a big curiosity and was looking for truth and to learn something. And I believe that's the difference because all the rest of them vamoosed. And I mean, they had some pretty good students. One of them was a guy named Don Rogers, who was a California at that time, a sitting senator in California in the senate. And, you know, John mentioned Rosenblatt, that girl Joyce Rosenbaum, and Peter Neece, who used to be on RBN with Stadtmiller all the time.
And, so one day, I remember they're both she's dead now. I don't know about Peter, but they they were close. He said we're territorial citizens. And that comes where they say outlying territories over in title eight, and he picked up on that. He realized that's what it was. He just didn't have the rest of the picture. So I think he was over it pretty close. Peter Peter Neece is his name. But I remember Joyce Rosenbaum on there one day and get something like a, you wanna hear a piece of legislation. You wanna read something that somebody really knows what they're doing. And she read this proposed statute in California.
It was written by senator Non Rogers, of course, who'd been through John and Glenn's course. So that's the thin thread that we're here on. And and if I wouldn't have responded to that, folks, we wouldn't know any of this because it would all been lost when John Benson died. And Glenn I don't know if he I don't know if I've told you this story about Glenn. Just nobody's got anything they wanna bring up today. Let's just go over this. Well, after John died, Glenn, who was steeped in the tax stuff, he, continued to work on it. And what was happening was I we had the book was out. I was on shows with Al Attisk, who some of you may know of.
Men, Man and Other Animals Defense. It's another historian itself. Anyway, Al and I, were doing shows, and he he gave me some big pieces of the puzzle. He's the one that gave me this presumption piece. I never thought about that before. Subsequently, their whole game is a presumption of law. So, anyway, I'm on there, and and and and and Al has a friend. I cannot Hansen? I can't remember his name. But the IRS has codes. They have code manuals. I don't know if any of you have ever gotten into that at that depth where you get their code manuals. They tell you all the keystrokes and this, that, and the other, what it all does, and and all that. Well, he had become an expert on that.
Maybe Ellis. Ellis. Larry Ellis, I believe, is his name. And so we were talking about that, Al and I. And and and I said, well, you know, Glenn Glenn and John have got the whole tax thing down all the way back to its origin, how it worked, and the exchequer and all that stuff. Well, this guy had been studying those manuals, and Glenn and John had been studying all this for years. So I put those two guys together. Okay? And, man, did it bear fruit. Because now all of a sudden, the guys that has all the internal codes, now he's got the structure of everything and knows what they're doing and why they do it.
And so they found a doctor, medical doctor in San Diego. He had, two counts of failure to file against him, and they were prosecuting him. And so, Glenn and his buddy got with the law firm and explained all this to them. And they said, well, we'll represent him with that. And so they didn't write any of the process. Glenn wrote everything. Write it, send it to the lawyers. I'm telling you, Glenn is a whippersnapper at this legal stuff. Okay? And, sends it over there. And so they, go through the district court trial and they convict the, they convict the guy, the doctor.
Even though they got all the facts, all the stuff, now the thing hinges. And I mentioned this before. We're in tax season. The thing hinges on what's called push code o nine. Push code o nine. And that's the code that allows them to stop the computer and insert what they call an SFR or a substitute for return. The Patriot Movement refers to them as dummy returns. K? Because a dummy puts them in there. Well, this is the part where they're following the old English process, but there's got to be a statute stable statute stable, a ten forty filed.
And so the computer will go along for a while and it gets to a point, and it notices there's no ten forty involved, so it stops, I guess. Anyway, it won't go any further because there's not a ten forty in there. You haven't volunteered. So, when that happens, the agent comes in, puts push code o nine, and that's where they do a ten forty for you, substitute for return, and they put it in there for you. And now the computer sees there's a return that's been filed. It doesn't know all that. And so it goes on to assessment, collections, wherever.
Okay? Well, they had all that down. They presented it to the jury. And Glenn and they've sent it to the ninth circuit, by the way, and they ruled against him too. And Glenn told me, said, Roger, not only is it so complicated that the jury can't understand it, the judge can't understand it either. And that's when Glenn turned his back on all this and walked away. Had them dead your rights, district court, appellate court, ruled against it. Nobody could understand it. They had all the proof, and Glenn just threw up his hands and said, screw this. I'm a go do something productive. Yes, Larry.
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Yeah. Do you think, the, is it the computer system that automatically, puts the the ten forty in, the dummy ten forty in, or does someone have to No. No. No. No. No. No. No. The computer stops,
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and you have to push push code o nine to open it up so you can put the 10:40 in there. The computer is programmed correctly.
[00:50:16] Unknown:
And also is the 10:40 do you have you heard is is that dummy ten forty based upon, like, the averages of your past 10?
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No. They're gonna come up with some figure and put it in there. K? I the way I think. I mean, look, I don't know. I've never been to Martinsburg, Virginia in my life. Never been in, never touched the computer. It's just what I've learned and heard, Larry. Okay? That's what I'm repeating to you.
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Hey, Raj. I have a question. This is Dan. Okay, Dan. Yeah. Dan, what you got? So I think they push code o nine to me because three years have gone by since I revoked my election to be a taxpayer. Haven't heard anything, and they finally sent a a a payment voucher again just, a week or so ago, and I've been trying to figure out what to do with it. And then, I remember voucher?
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What what is a payment voucher? Pardon my ignorance.
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At one point, I was on a payment plan, and they just, and and it's as if they picked up that left off.
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I see. So Yeah. And and Well
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I forgot that one. Just last thing I was gonna say, Raj, is I missed that session, and I couldn't I'm not sure which one it was where you talked very much about getting, having the IRS reimburse you for the past three or four years or something like that.
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Well, I I we'll we can talk about that. We got time today. Let's see. You got a few minutes, about ten minutes or so before we check out of Chicago. But I I'm just giving you some background on stuff here. And, so that's why Glenn walked away from this and he and John bequeathed everything to me. Okay? So they don't want anything to do with it. John's dead. Glenn's still right in process and fighting people. I mean, listen, Glenn won a case to the Supreme Court for an inmate when he was in prison, Dan. And one of the inmates came to he said he said when you're in jail, the one thing that you don't want anybody to know is that you can write legal process. K? Or you'll have a line at your door. Alright? And he did win a case at the Supreme Court for a guy that was a fellow inmate.
And the I believe it was an attorney in North or South Dakota that filed it. Right? And they the state bar gave the attorney a big plaque for his office. He's the only attorney in the history of the state that ever won a case at the Supreme Court. And the guy says, hell, I didn't even write it. That's Glenn. Okay? Oh, they had another one, one of his buddies. He's still hanging around with this guy. His name's Roger, and he owned a big trucking firm somewhere in the Midwest. And the Teamsters wanted the trucking stop or whatever and did a bunch of crap on him, got him sent to jail. Well, Glenn wrote a RICO suit for him.
And the attorney for the other side flew all the way up to Minneapolis and asked offered him $3,000,000 to settle, and they returned it down. Okay? Glenn is Glenn is, just a hotshot, folks. Okay? So, anyway, all that is what kinda led up to this and where we are and how I know so much about the tax code is because what happened with them is they sent Glenn with more time than John because the judge said he was a firecracker or the instigator of everything. And so Glenn, being very spiritual, wanted to they said that John over to the one of the only un air conditioned facilities in the Bureau of Prisons in Petersburg, Virginia. Does it get pretty hot there, Julie, in the summertime around Petersburg. Does it hot and humid and stuff for a for a 70 year old man that's in bad health?
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My god. That's such great that's crazy.
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Now what happened was Glenn went and applied for a pastoral program. And this is where the, you know, the old fickle finger of fate, Dan. The good Lord. And whoever the bureaucrat was assigned him to Petersburg, Virginia.
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Is your law library there?
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I I don't think so. But see, they had already gotten all of these books from the Exchequer and how it worked before they had gone to jail and they'd read them. And so what they did get to do every day was spend about four hours together out on the recreation field under a big tree. John was in a wheelchair. Glenn would wheel him out there, and they'd sit there and talk about this for four hours a day. Then they'd write it up. And then because he hadn't scrounged a typewriter yet, they'd send it to me in Florida. I would type it all back up and send it back up to them.
So, that is where the understanding of the tax code comes from and their book that they wrote when they got out, Taxation Without Misrepresentation, that you can find and purchase at the book patch. So, anyway, that's kind of the way this all had come together. K? Just an absolute freak thing. And what kept me going, Dan, what really kept driving me was that 26 CFR 1.1 dash one a, the jurisdictional statement. And I kept looking at that term nonresident alien and going, they went to an awful lot of trouble to do this. It's got to be important.
And that's what kept me going all these years.
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You know, it's the little things, and it reminds me of the statement, Roger, that just is and it's such a spiritual statement. I realized I remember hearing it about jihadists once, but that was just propaganda. But the statement is real simple. To the committed goes the victory. And David can be the committed one man, and it still goes to the victory type thing. It's a real spiritual belief, you know. God brings you there.
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Well, I had a dear friend, now deceased. Almost all my dear friends are deceased. Ron Brown. Ron and I are very close. He had been through the previous seminar to me down in Florida because he had a big IRS problem. He was an insurance agent. Have you ever noticed how many insurance agents were in the, tax movement? Dan, I don't know if you have or not.
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But the reason I would guess, like, one.
[00:57:23] Unknown:
Right? Okay. Well, the reason there's more of them than well, the reason there's more of them than generally other professions is because they got these big residuals, you know. I mean, they go sell some group life insurance, some big company. Well, they can live off that the rest of their lives because the residuals keep coming in when they renew. Well, but and you cross it with the IRS. IRS is in bed, obviously, with the treasury and insurance agencies. And the minute they see you're an insurance agent, they'll come in and just garnish all your residuals.
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Right.
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Right. And that's where Ron was. And we met at the first meeting, you know, and went to the seminar. Next meeting, we're gonna have next week, we're gonna have a meeting over there at this insurance office. And I go over there. Unbeknownst to me, the guy had quit because his wife wasn't gonna have anything to do, nor was she gonna let him have anything to do with fighting the IRS. K? Women are nesters. I understand all that. K? Anyway, he was out of the picture. And so I go to his office where we were gonna have a meet where we'd have the seminar, and there's this guy, in a three piece suit looking like a Philadelphia Lawyer and it was my buddy Ron. And, we were fast friends from then on.
And it's funny to see you. Pardon me?
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Right. The serendipity that that brings us to the places we are, like the whole no matter where you go, there you are. Yep. Yeah. Well, Ron and I, of course, used to talk all the time and we were both having trouble with this.
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Well, there's, okay. We're both having trouble with this. I'm gonna turn it over to Paul because he doesn't have trouble with telling Chicago bye bye. So, Paul, if you would, please.
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Yeah. Okay. So back to my buddy, Ron. We were very good friends, and we went through all this together, and both of us had a hard time understanding it. And he just kinda dropped off and went off chasing other things and stuff. And so a few years down the line, and I finally get this. Okay? And so I call up Ron and say, Ron, I got it figured out. I got it figured out. And and, he goes to look for his affidavit and he couldn't even find a copy of that five page affidavit. We both use the same one. It's in the, excuse me, it's in the back of the book there.
And he went to look for it and he did he couldn't even find his. And so fortunately, we had filed them at this is what John and Glenn see, they didn't know about Secretary of State, but they had us file the affidavits in our local property records office or the one we're born in and I did both. Okay? So and because why do you file it in the property records office? Well, where does the IRS file their lien to notice a lien? In the property records office.
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Right.
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And so not knowing that that would not be it gave the IRS wiggle rooms, what they did. K? So, anyway, Ron goes down to the property records office there in Gwinnett County. Lived right up there in Northeast Atlanta. And, I think Doug is got his got his got his got his got his got his got a copy and took it home and he and when we talked the next time, he said, you know, Roger, I did all this and he went over that story. And he said, I came home and I read it and I understood it perfectly.
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That's what happens. It all quits one day. Yeah. It all quits. After
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he died, his girlfriend called me and she said, Ryan, we're so proud of you. And he said he just never quit. He never quits is what you're saying, Dale. He never quits. And here we are today. K?
[01:02:10] Unknown:
It's a beautiful thing, Roger. It's just by the grace of God, and this is providence.
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Oh, but but I don't know of any other conclusion to draw.
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There isn't one, bro. It's it's this is God's light. It shines on us in this way to give us these memories. It's a gorgeous thing
[01:02:30] Unknown:
to the committed. You see, I'm the most unlike damn, I'm the most unlikely candidate for this.
[01:02:40] Unknown:
You know, I thought the same about me, Raj. I really did until I stood before the judge the other day, and I realized they don't want us there. He doesn't know what to do with men like me and you.
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And put a smile on my face. They sure don't. So anyway, they're just a little background on why we're here, how we got here, how important this is, whether you realize it or not. You may be new, and and there's no way you can see the depth of this when you're new. You gotta go in and do it under the confusion. You gotta get these things, like, where they balance in your mind. And and it only takes time where you can see how important this is. Get away from the feds also. But you don't understand this is the bottom of everything. This is how they control everything. I heard Doctor. Janda one day, Doctor. Dave Janda on his program. Some of you are familiar with him. And and he said, what is the Rockefeller Rothschild power axis?
Doctor Dave, this is him. Alright. Simple.
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It's very simple. To me. Yeah. Okay. They care not who controls the laws. I'll figure out how to control the money. You know, Roger, the only reason they're even still in charge right now, the banking cartel that and yes, it's mostly Jewish for lead, is because no one's ever really broke the chain. Anyone that gets close enough, they always have two or three other countries that are, like, willing to sacrifice their morals and scruples because the Fed threatens them. And then they have massively they rise up their armies and they go after the one that's trying to get out. So that's it's only because there's been no contiguous break in their power that they get to keep maintaining their power. It's self fulfilling.
[01:04:33] Unknown:
It's so obvious that way. Like this that nobody can figure out their little freemason, m a j I k magic. It's just a spell. What they've done is they've cast a spell, and they've cast a spell by assigning a 80 degree different definition in your subconscious on keywords, and they got total control of you. They could put they could lead you around like they got a damn ring in your nose. And if you don't believe that, look at the people that they're doing. That too.
[01:05:03] Unknown:
Man, my heart swells, Riser, with the greatest of, like, joy every time I recognize someone else is about to wake up. Or I watch the next thing happen and the chink in the armor comes and I am always reminded that pain never really makes me cry but joy and happiness sure does.
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Yeah. There you go.
[01:05:22] Unknown:
There you go. And gratitude. I already forgot my question to you, bro. Gratitude
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is the emotion that we do not exercise anywhere near enough.
[01:05:33] Unknown:
Darn straight. And it just lives within. It's not like you gotta do much about it.
[01:05:38] Unknown:
Yeah. Just be grateful. You know? Like it looks like the sun's about to come out for the first time in hell about ten days around here. So I'm grateful for that right now. With all this cloudy stuff for all these days is just kinda our winter here. It happens. And, it's after about five, six, seven days of clouds and it just gets frustrating,
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you know? So maybe that's gonna change. We're coming off of that ourselves up here. It's cold. I'm in Massachusetts, baby. I like to call Massachusetts behind enemy lines of blueness, you know, behind the blue wall. Right. I
[01:06:16] Unknown:
Practically, I think. Amazing. These people are they're just freaking amazing, man. Really. So we got them, though. We got them beat. And
[01:06:26] Unknown:
I think they kinda respect They're on the ropes a little bit. They're running scared, Roger. Oh, they're running scared, Roger. I know. They're running. They know they're running. That's what I think. That's what I saw on court the other day when I walked in and gave them my rebuttal to their presumptions. And then the guy looked at it and he was just like they they literally wouldn't even put me on the record. They just said, let's get rid of this thing because there was a couple other people in the court. They didn't wanna hear it. Let's just get rid of this thing. Let's all let's just get I don't And I recognized he wouldn't even put me on the record. I'm like, we're not even on the record here. I'm like, I'm witnessing private action live.
[01:07:01] Unknown:
Well, I wanted to mention this yesterday. I got a letter from our good student and good friend, Jeff, down there in Plano, Texas, and he had gotten pulled over in an altercation on lack of tags or custom tag or something. And so it finally got scheduled. He went into, court, and, they they wouldn't let him came in about like you. And they said, why don't you go over and talk to the prosecutor over there? And it was a little female. And she says, well, this isn't one of those sovereign citizen things, is it? And he said, no. No. Not at all. He starts showing her the affidavit, giving her the proof, and giving her some other stuff. And she said, well, let's reschedule this, and I'll go, and we'll deliberate this with the judge. So, that that's open.
Okay? Yep. And,
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and so maybe we are making a little bit of progress. To the committed goes to victory in there, you just have to stand. What I noticed was when I didn't waiver, well, did you get your license fixed? And I was like, no. It was like a perfectly honest response of a four year old. Just no. Is your hand in the cookie jar? Yeah. You know, are you gonna get it fixed? He asked me. I said, no. Of course not. And he just looked at that and he's like, oh, no. Let's just get rid of this thing. I swear it wasn't because I got some Mike Tyson game face. It was just honesty. It was integrity. It was what you just said. The, I forgot the word you used, but
[01:08:28] Unknown:
Well, I don't whatever. It was just they take Well, we're the word you used before. Yeah. It's good. We're going through a great awakening. Have you seen the the, you know, the there's five judges that have tried to impede print, Trump's, and dodge here, Doge. And so, they've already got articles of impeachment in for two of them. And one of them, this guy, McGregor, I think is his name, get this. Clown. He bought his judgeship in Rhode Island, and he's got a an NGO and made a hundred million dollars off of it. And he's the one that wants to stop the payment to the NGS because he's raping it. Another black guy. He's got a a daughter that's one of the big supervisors at a, education department.
His wife's got something. He's got one of these NGOs with a private plane and all kinds of stuff. And I was very disappointed to find out about, Senator Tom Cotton because I kinda like old Cotton occasionally, when he says something He's in the ring. Yep. Oh, man. Well, he's he's like corrupt as hell. He runs this NGO. He's got part of it. It used to be John McCain's. And John McCain died, and Cotton took it over. And, sugar print sugar in his britches, Lindsey Graham is in there. In that same one, a couple other senators, and they're hundreds of millions of dollars.
So yeah. Now I know. Soon as soon as At least Cotton did confirm both RFK and Gaber.
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K? I'm sure there's good sides to the man. I bet you part of him is caught behind a veil that we didn't realize he was getting into in the first place. And part of him is a pig. It's just that, you know, swine. Well, a hog. No. We in the South Hog. If you're not confused as Dan, you wouldn't know this. But what we say is pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered. Yeah. There you go. Okay. And so they're gonna strip all that money and and I sure hope they do. As soon as those as soon as all those, people whether they be senators in our congress, whatever kind of representative they are of our government. As soon as they get dirty eyed and start saying, without a smile on their face and some pep in their walk, they're lying. They're lying.
They're liars. And then you get the guys like Thomas Massie and it's like, oh, yeah. Look at that guy. That's easy. He's great. Speaking with mostly Rand Paul. Although Rand gets measured once in a while and I get that. But mostly he's just honest.
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And the one that really is, impressing me is JD Vance. He's obviously been set up for Trump to run. He's got two shots of running after Trump. That would be if that's contiguous, you're talking about twelve years of good conservative leadership. We may could straighten the damn country out in that time. K?
[01:11:26] Unknown:
Did you see his speech to the wasn't the UN? It was a screen for your I loved what he told me. I thought I was I was gripped. And that man, he talks like Opie from from, you know, whatever or he got a little bit like Eddie Haskell. He's got this wicked and he's spiritual. There's a that he he's got the younger man's spiritual thing going on in him, and I love that. And then he leaned into the things. We're not here for you. We can't stand behind that. If you do this, then you're not for us. And I was like, woah. Oh my god. Mike Johnson. We're fighting. We're facing a nice southern boy voice. Dude, he's got this outdoor voice. He could be in a choir, by the way. Right. It's like Well, we're letting the,
[01:12:07] Unknown:
that's okay. We're we're letting Europe have it and the control they're under by the European elites, which is very obvious, particularly when it comes to Germany. We're just saying, look, we don't understand this, and we might not have these common commonalities anymore because we don't believe in this. Okay? And it got them shook up. One of them who was the one that was crying? One of the German guys was up there crying at the end of his speech.
[01:12:36] Unknown:
Oh, god. I didn't see that. I I bailed out after JD.
[01:12:40] Unknown:
Well, one yeah. And I don't know who it was, but he's the one that's handing the the, baton of the organization to someone else's. This was his outgoing speech, and he ends it by crying up on the podium.
[01:12:54] Unknown:
K? I I hear that were those tears of joy because something is changing or tears of fear? No. They weren't. They were they were tears of realization that they are in a
[01:13:03] Unknown:
bunch of coot caca. Okay? Wow. So, we're we're meeting in Saudi Arabia right now, Trump and Russia. Europe's not involved and Ukraine's not there. Why should Ukraine be there? They don't have a legitimate leader. He's been a dictator for over a year. Anything that he signs, this just gives them a way out. Said, well, that's alright. Zelensky signed it. He he was a dictator anyway. He wasn't elected president. So you don't wanna go sign anything with them. There's they're they're slippery enough without that element in there. Okay. Right. And and and they're not letting Europe in either. You had a chance three years ago. You had a peace treaty written up. Boris Johnson comes in, Bojo.
Boris Johnson comes in from England and tells you not to do it. No. You don't have a seat at the table. These are the two principles, Russia and The US, and it's all boiling down to rare earth minerals under Ukraine.
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That's what it all another thing. One other thing is the return of America to the nation that other people, hopefully one day can trust again as it relates to its treaties. When I heard Yes. What's his name tell Tucker Carlson, and I heard him say it on other times. And the way he said it, I was like, this man's telling me the truth. Whether I like his policies or not, it's irrelevant. I'm getting the truth. As soon as you get into a deal with the US government, there it's it's like as soon as the handshake is done, they're already scheming like someone in Palpatine's times or whatever to Yeah. Like some Machiavelli freak to go ahead and slit your throat and backstab you. It's like immediately, and they'll just and they'll do it right to your face. Oh, we don't mean that. Oh, sorry.
[01:14:56] Unknown:
Dan, I I was at a point I was getting into Rome a lot. You know, we're looking a lot of historical videos on Rome. And, they were talking about one of the Roman emperors that was real sympathetic to the Jews. And so he let him into Rome, and he gave them a building for them to hold their worship services in. And and they caught him weren't they? No. They caught him plotting to overthrow him.
[01:15:29] Unknown:
Of course. Of course. That was the old way, Rogers. And JD Vance represents the new way. We've got the human expansion in us. We've got this beautiful human expansion that's awakening to this, like, if you ever study human design, I'm real good at it. This nine centered, you know, humanity, mankind. It's all it were all we're ready to love thy neighbor where the old version of us from a couple hundred years ago still hadn't got that yet. And if you look at cats like JD Vance and just that generation are ready to be like, I I don't wanna steal all your stuff anymore. I I don't wanna do it. It's just that I don't wanna take all your crap and and and and kill all your men and and do all the other things that's with standard standard issue stuff.
I'm sick of taking your borders. I'm sick of invading your I don't want your country. Well, there's a person. How about you get good, you know, and you and we can commune finally, like, mostly, even if we don't really like you that much. I don't like those worshipers of this, but I love them anyway type thing. You know? Well,
[01:16:35] Unknown:
you know, and it's funny, and you're Jewish. You you said it a minute ago. Nobody just doesn't know. Dan's one of our newer people, and, man, this is a good guy right here. I don't care what ethnicity he is, you know, and I love that. I love your comments. And I love And you know what I really appreciate, Dan? I I I really appreciate your perspective and your comments from your position. Okay? And, much, Roger. I appreciate that. Well, I do. Okay. I mean, I I was in the music business for twenty years and hell, it's just as full of Jews as Hollywood is, if not more. Alright? And I have a lot of I have a lot of good, very dear Jewish friends, here here, Daniel. Appreciate this.
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The crazy one. That was Sonny, our uncle Sonny, who who knocked his head and went blind and fell down and knocked
[01:17:34] Unknown:
So, but I had some very dear friends who are Jewish. I just like just very dear to me. So I know that all of them are not like these guys that are Revelation two and three nine. Okay? A lot of them are You know what the difference is? They're the ones which is where you're raised in it.
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Yes. Were you truly raised in it or were you raised strange to it? I was raised strange to it.
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What about brother Kavanagh? Do you do you watch do you watch much of his stuff, brother Kavanagh?
[01:18:02] Unknown:
I I don't know this name. I never heard the name.
[01:18:06] Unknown:
No. Okay. Alright. What I want you to do, Dan, is write this down. Real Yep. Jewnews.com.
[01:18:20] Unknown:
Oh, god. I love their name.
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Brother Kapner, raised Jewish. He's he's a ortho Russian Orthodox Christian. He'd been around for a long time. He raises all kinds of hell. Go over there and check out some of his stuff. You'll I think you'll really like him. Okay?
[01:18:39] Unknown:
RealJewnews.com. That's so good.
[01:18:44] Unknown:
He's a hoot. He really is. You know, out in front of the Federal Reserve in Boston with a cross yelling something about the money changers in the temple. He's a he's a hoot. Okay?
[01:18:58] Unknown:
Wow. That takes some that takes some right there. I love it. Yeah. I I had an original question. Do you remember what it was? It was oh, yeah. I got both in there. Idea. Do you mind No. I mind me circling back, Roger? I don't I don't need Oh, no. I don't mind. No, man. I don't mind at all. What what do you got? Alright. It was just the the the bills I got from from the IRS over the past couple weeks. It was as if they forgot three years ago I discontinued or well over a year ago, I I discontinued paying them. I just stopped because they kept taking money out and I just, like, I just changed bank accounts and I hadn't heard from them. And they sent me a bill saying, hey. Here's your payment plan. You owe us $1,900 or whatever the payment was each month, some crazy a thousand or whatever.
And here you owe us one, and I think we you owe us one from a month before too, and but just the voucher. They sent me a voucher as if nothing happened. And so
[01:19:52] Unknown:
I revoked Have you been filing? How how when did you sign the when did you sign the agreement with them?
[01:20:00] Unknown:
The last contract I signed with the IRS, meaning signing the October was back in, to, maybe '22 or the contract I sent them was late.
[01:20:13] Unknown:
But but you said you were on a payment plan. You had to go into an offer of compromise to set that up. So okay. Absolutely. Part of that agreement you signed is that you will continue to file 10 forties for the next five years. Have you not done that?
[01:20:31] Unknown:
Nope. I have not. Okay. Well, just, I've done that agreement before I revoke my election.
[01:20:38] Unknown:
Okay. Well, I don't think that's gonna make any difference. So just wait and see how it pans out and I wish a lot of luck because I don't know what they're gonna do. They're on their last legs right now. DOS is over there. I just wanna blow them out. A whole bunch of them and auditing the IRS And Trump's already talking about instituting all these tariffs, which are gonna basically knock out your tax obligations, and the tariffs will pay for a lot of that or so is my understanding. Was that somebody who was trying to say something there a minute ago?
[01:21:11] Unknown:
Hi, Roger. I so appreciate, you know, your history and how you share it with us. What Dan needs to realize, when you say agreement, it's a contract, and that's what you're operating. Yeah. And so pull out the contract and see what you signed on to and go from there.
[01:21:34] Unknown:
Well, Sherry, I'm a victim of kidney blows sales training because we were taught never to call it a contract. You never sign a contract. You always okay an agreement.
[01:21:51] Unknown:
Euphemism. Euphemisms. It doesn't sound so bad that way. Correct? Yeah.
[01:21:58] Unknown:
Thank you, Sherry. Anybody else while we got a break here? Anybody else got something they wanna, break in about, ask a question, any of that kind of stuff?
[01:22:07] Unknown:
Yeah, Rog. Yes,
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sir. Brother Nathaniel also
[01:22:13] Unknown:
raised Jewish for a long time.
[01:22:16] Unknown:
He's out of Idaho, and he does everything you said the other guy does. He really stirs the pot. Go ahead. Well, he I think he's out of Colorado, but he's out there out West. Yeah.
[01:22:29] Unknown:
He's a hell of a guy. He talks about, you know, Dan, he talks about how after the service on Saturday, they go up in the upstairs and talk politics and it's not does this guy get elected or the other guys? Which one's good for the Jews? Okay. So he you'll I think you'll really appreciate him. Okay?
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So I think when you get a chance
[01:22:55] Unknown:
to listen to a few of his pieces, come back and give us your your opinion. I can't wait. I can't wait.
[01:23:02] Unknown:
But I think you did have an episode on the IRS. It was you where you talked about getting your money back from them. I just missed the call. I don't remember which episode. Let's go there.
[01:23:14] Unknown:
My my law teacher, John, just loved the law. He he did go to one year law school. I I don't know if one of the schools in Utah obviously. They're big Mormons and very devout. And after that, he got a job with civil service in contract work, and and he became particularly interested in contract law, and then he became particularly interested in tax law. And that was his obsession the rest of his life. Okay? Now in all of his studies, and he didn't just go to the law library. He'd get all these old books from he had a friend, one of his, students who was a commercial United Airline pilot that had the London route.
And when you've got that overseas route, they always give you a day off before you fly back. And so, he would take Roy would take his time and go through all these old bookstores in London and bring John back all these old English books. K? And that's what he studied. He didn't study a law school curriculum. He studied the old law. That's why we know all this stuff. And so, anyway, in his studies, he stumbled on, some and I don't know the regulations. We I was presented with them back then, but, man, I ended up hating tax law. Hey. I I I hated hating taxes, period. But, that's why I went to jurisdiction. But, it he found several sections of the code where when you change status, that you can go back if you've been paying in, and you can go back and claim clawback. You know, that's a term being used. Clawback three your last three years of what you filed and get them back. And that's what they built their business on.
They charge us $1,500 to go through the course. I'm teaching all you guys for free. Okay? I had to pay $1,500 when I didn't have it to go through the course, and they'd file all that paperwork and everything for you. So I was still very early in their six months of existence, but some of their friends in Utah who had gone through this first and sent in they called it revocation of election, Dan. Okay? So that's what I called. That's what I did. And and and they had sent their paperwork in, and they'd gotten back fat checks. So initially, the IRS recognized it. But when they started seeing them come in more frequency, I guess, they realized that they had not filed the affidavit with the Secretary of State, but we were instructed to file it in our local property records office, and you can't do that. They're not the lord of the manor in charge of citizenship.
It's the Secretary of State. So that's where they missed. Okay? They had everything else right, and they they missed that one thing. And you know, in all honesty, John was steeped in the feudal system. He literally lived in that period of time. Okay? And why he missed that? I think he was so focused on taxes with blinders on that he just missed that because he shouldn't have. He knew. That's the only reason I know this feudal stuff is because of him. Okay? But that was It's
[01:27:01] Unknown:
dude, you miss a thing.
[01:27:09] Unknown:
I think we lost him.
[01:27:11] Unknown:
Yeah. I think we lost Raj. No. Wait. Raj, you're muted.
[01:27:16] Unknown:
I I'm I accidentally hit a mute. I'm sorry. There you go. So, by we had filed all that at the property records office and they caught that it wasn't with the Secretary of State and so they stopped sending out checks, Dan. And they sent out to people like me a three three frivolous filing penalties, which were then $500. Now they're $5,000.
[01:27:45] Unknown:
Roger.
[01:27:46] Unknown:
Yes. So that's kind of the way all this started and came about. Yes, Larry?
[01:27:52] Unknown:
Yeah. When you were talking about, the your five page affidavit in the back of your book, Yeah. What year was that published again? And also, when did you what year did you realize, that you can narrow all that down to one sentence on one piece of paper?
[01:28:12] Unknown:
Well, fairly recently. That the book came out in 2011. We were on the air, I think, from the spring of twenty eleven in March, and I was on with Bennett once on Wednesday nights, once a week, over there at RBN. And, I think that was 2011 because the book was released in December of that year. Because there was an 80 page manuscript, and I had I told Bennett. I said, listen. We'll just just put it up. Let people download the manuscript. He goes, no. Let's make a book out of it and make some shekels. So John and Glenn, at that point, realizing what I had stumbled into, took on and wanted the advantage to make that book between the two of them edited up to where what it is now. And I mean, this isn't me talking as other people have told me. That book's a masterpiece.
Right? I mean, I think I Jim Prentice, excuse me, Jim Prentice, who was working with Mark's guy, Dan Meador. He was down in Tampa and, I got two emails the same day two weeks after the book was released. One of them was from Jim Princess, and he was a Dan Meader research team leader. And and what Jim told me, he said, Roger, we had everything you've got, but we didn't have the affidavit. We didn't know to send it to the Secretary of State. Now that's the guy that Mark studied under, Dan Meador. Okay? And Jim Prentice was a twenty year homicide investigator who'd stumbled on when he was a homicide investigator, studied on, stumbled on the two different sets of law books.
Okay? Well, Jim told me, we eventually talked but in his in his initial Email, he was a good guy too. In his initial Email, he said, Roger, your book's a masterpiece. I've read it 10 times in two weeks, and I've gotten something different out of it every time. So that's why I tell you to read it more than once, especially the law or the legal argument at the back back half.
[01:30:33] Unknown:
What was the name of that book, Raj?
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Sovereign to Serve Government by the Treachery and Deception of Words is my book, Dan.
[01:30:41] Unknown:
Oh, right. I suggest you get a copy. Yep. Okay. If you don't,
[01:30:47] Unknown:
so anyway, that, that was that. And I see it was another something else I was gonna address there, and I forgot it. But, Comment. Anyway, it was, there's Tom right there. So, Bennett said, let's make some money out of it. So, we turned it over to John and Glenn. Oh, I I now remember. And, the book was out somewhere in December of twenty eleven. I I can tell you this. Of course, we had some time to promote it but we sold 450 books the first day. Okay? Now the average first time author sells eight books. Eight of his first book. Okay? So I thought we did pretty good there.
Now the other thing, I've forgotten it again.
[01:31:30] Unknown:
It was It was, Roger, it was, when did you figure out what to narrow down to what sentence?
[01:31:37] Unknown:
Oh, okay. I'll get to that in a second. The second email was from a family. I believe they're in Minnesota or Wisconsin, somewhere up there. And they just said, Roger, your book's a masterpiece. We want you to know it's on our family bookshelf next to the Bible. That is a very humbling statement. Okay? Now, how did I, when, one day a couple of years ago, maybe three years ago, Alan, who doesn't hang around with us too much anymore, but up there from Dallas, Georgia, and he'd been doing a lot of studying. He came on the air one day and said, would you like to hear a one sentence disclaimer? And he read the sentence to me. That's how we found out about it, Larry.
Couldn't have been more than three years ago.
[01:32:29] Unknown:
Was he spacing that on the, that, you know, that sentence that we always look at in the INA? Is that where he found it?
[01:32:38] Unknown:
No. He found it on the, certificate of non citizen nationality where it's at the bottom of the page. He's also the one
[01:32:48] Unknown:
referred to.
[01:32:50] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. He's also the one that found a Afraheem versus Rusk. Now I know Dan doesn't know about this.
[01:32:58] Unknown:
I don't.
[01:32:59] Unknown:
Okay. Well, Afraheem was a Hungarian Jew. This is in the sixties. Dean Rusk was the secretary of state. He's from Georgia. I've been in his office before at the Richard b Russell building, and he's got quite a, I think he graduated from University of Georgia, and they built a big something over there for him, Dean Russ, international policy or something. He was secretary of state, very respected. So Afraheem v Rusk, and this overturned a previous Supreme Court, decision from just a few years before that. So here's the story, Dan. Afraheem comes over from Hungary and he he he he he he immigrates over and he naturalizes.
So he volunteers into being a citizen of The United States. So they catch him voting in an Israeli election, and they try to take his his rights away. The other previous court has said they could do it. He revisited this on on this case Afro, a f r o y I m, I think. Afrohim v Rusk, and the Supreme Court says no. You can't take his rights away. Why not, Dan? They had the previous Supreme Court precedent. They got all these facts in front of them, and they rule against it. Okay. I'll shut up. Why?
[01:34:27] Unknown:
Is it because every citizen is also a national?
[01:34:31] Unknown:
Well, he see, they didn't even tell him he could do that. They're not gonna tell you that. Here's why. Everything's gotta be voluntary. He immigrated and volunteered in, and for him to get rid of those rights, he's gotta voluntarily give them away. Now, this is a critical, important principle. And some folks I mean, it's the basis of everything we do. Everything's gotta be voluntary. If it's not voluntary, yeah.
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Because they let him in and accepted the volunteerism
[01:35:09] Unknown:
without without making him give up the other thing. They well, they can't make you give him up. You've gotta do it voluntarily.
[01:35:18] Unknown:
Oh, they could say we won't naturalize you if you don't give it up. No. He was already naturalized.
[01:35:23] Unknown:
He was already naturalized.
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So the deal was already made.
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So he volunteered in. They agreed with it. And for him to get rid of them, they can't take them away. He's gotta give them away.
[01:35:37] Unknown:
Wow.
[01:35:39] Unknown:
Hey, Roger. Now they don't say that in the they don't say that in the case, but that's what's going on here. This goes all the way back to Vatel's Law of Nations. It's echoed in the UN Charter. Every man has the right of personal, political self determination. What does that mean? It means I get to live under this what set of laws I want to, doesn't it?
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Yep.
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If I wanna move to France and go live over there under Macron, they can't stop me. Of course, I through the expatriation process, I've gotta have a French passport already. It's gonna take me six four to six months. It's gonna cost me 4 to 5,000. All that, but they can't stop you from doing it. See? So they still adhere to Vatel's law of nations. They just don't tell you you can repatriate. You oh, these people are just solo.
[01:36:37] Unknown:
Hey, Raj.
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Such slime.
[01:36:40] Unknown:
Yes. Who's that? Yeah. Hey. This is Jack in Colorado. How are you? Hey, Jack. Can you hear me alright? I'm in my car. No, man. You're alright. Alright. Good. Hey. I just have a quick question for you. I've been thinking about this.
[01:36:56] Unknown:
Remember when you said that you guys were sending in your affidavits to the property records, and then you would file for that reference? No. No. No. We didn't send them in. You gotta go down there and tell them you want it filed and pay for it. You can't send it in.
[01:37:11] Unknown:
Lost you.
[01:37:13] Unknown:
Okay. No. You can't send it in. You've got to go to the property records office, put the document, and tell them you'd like to enter it in the property roles and pay their fee, which is about 5 or $10 a page. Are you there still, Jack? Tom, I'm sorry. I didn't get back around to you. Yeah, buddy, please.
[01:37:40] Unknown:
Yeah. What's she talking about? What document are you talking about filing with the property or Affidavit. Affidavit.
[01:37:47] Unknown:
Hey. It's I just got back. I lost you there somehow. Yeah. Yeah. You dropped out. Alright. Hold on. Tom, I'm gonna go ahead and finish with him. Finish with him. You finish with him. Alright? Okay. You don't That's a quick question. Jack. You yeah. You don't mail it in. You've gotta take it to him and ask him to file it.
[01:38:03] Unknown:
Okay. My question is, when you guys would file you to the IRS to get your three years back, were you telling them were you telling the IRS, hey, I filed this affidavit with the property record, so I'm a national now and I need this money back. Or did you just assume they knew that?
[01:38:20] Unknown:
Well, you know, I was so green. It was the very first weekend I ever saw this, and they handled all that. And I don't know what the hell they told them.
[01:38:29] Unknown:
Okay. Because now we when we send in for returns, we usually send in our affidavit with our our ten forty and r and explain, hey. This has been filed with the secretary of state, and I'm no longer a citizen of The United States. Since there's, like, a letter that explains it, I'm just wondering if they did that, but it sounds like you don't know. So Well, what we were instructed to do is to file it. When you file that prop, they stamp it. You know, book so and so, page so and so. And additionally,
[01:38:55] Unknown:
we paid extra to have it certified by the clerk of the court, which is nothing more than the clerk of the court, saying that, yes, this is on file in the property records office. And it had all those stamps on it. Okay? And, I do I flat ass don't remember, man. It's been thirty something years ago. My head was spinning. We'd been in a weekend seminar of over thirty something hours of really high end legal stuff and all this other stuff. And I I I couldn't tell you. All I can tell you is that it was dark Sunday night when we finished up.
[01:39:32] Unknown:
Yeah. And, one last thing. What what was it that you added to the story that that John and Glenn didn't get? I mean, it sounds like you picked up where they left off or something.
[01:39:42] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. The secretary of state. I gotcha. Okay. That's what opens up everything. If you don't file it with him, you ain't done jack squat. It's just like that court site that was over on Moon Copper Moonshine still. Unless the person can prove they're not a citizen of The United States, the IRS can move on to assessment and collection. Unless the person can prove, well, how do you prove it? Well, there's only one way. You gotta notify the secretary of state, the gatekeeper of all matters concerning citizenship, and rebut the presumption somehow.
That's what they didn't know.
[01:40:22] Unknown:
I think I figured out why those, moonshine kettle people aren't getting in trouble too when they mark that their parents weren't citizens. Yeah. I think it's because I think it's because the secretary of state uses those two questions, or the one question about the parents, as just a con confirmation that you're a US citizen. That's just another way that they trap you. If you say no to that, it's too much trouble for them to research it and find out if they're nationals or whatever. Uh-huh. I I don't know. I I've I've thought the same way you did there at the first, and,
[01:40:55] Unknown:
I just don't know. And the other thing is I really don't know. Does the copper do we know for sure that the copper moonshine thing works? Are they rebutting the presumption? See, I don't know that. I've never looked into it deeply enough. I concentrate on our stuff. Okay? But I still don't understand why they look. As I've said, they take passport fraud very seriously, and I don't know why they let them get away with that, but they do, evidently.
[01:41:27] Unknown:
Okay? Got you, Jack? I think I know why. I'm good. I'm good. Thank you.
[01:41:32] Unknown:
Okay. Well, hold on, Tom. Okay. What what what you what do you think, Dan?
[01:41:37] Unknown:
Well, because they've spent so much time in the courts recognizing that each US citizen is also a national, that when you say that, you're simply choosing that aspect, and they would have to go through the process of saying, I know what's in your mind. Nuh-uh. And prove your intention.
[01:41:55] Unknown:
Well, see, I naturally, they need to know that information. But when you look at it and know what we know, are they just setting up another layer of presumption? Oh, his parents were citizens of The United States. That means they are. It's just another step forward on presumption. It absolutely I just don't know. Presumption.
[01:42:18] Unknown:
Yeah. So when you say it when you say it the other way and you say no, they were nationals, they would have to go through the effort of saying, nuh-uh, you're lying and how are they gonna prove that? They'd have to prove that in my mind. Right. And and and So it just becomes too much for them.
[01:42:34] Unknown:
Well, could be. It could be that they don't wanna bring attention to it and charge anybody with passport fraud because they don't want this issue brought out into the public spotlight at all.
[01:42:46] Unknown:
Especially with our new legal prowess that's showing up. They don't wanna take the chance that one of us MFers might actually win by now.
[01:42:53] Unknown:
I just have always thought that they will do anything to make sure this isn't brought out into any kind of public, forum. And I've experienced a little well, when I first started giving this information out on Tom, who I'm trying to get here, to here on his network over there, RBN, that the Southern Poverty Law Center was monitoring RBN at the time. And they it was in print. I'd seen it in an article that they were monitoring RBN. And they used to have a guy on call that would come on and call in, call Russ from Minnesota, and he was the mole. He worked for the sub, sub of of I called the sod Sodomy Pedophile Larceny Center.
But the Southern Poverty Law Center down there in Montgomery, he worked for them. Okay? Because he kept calling in. He'd call in to other hosts and he even Tom, I think I've told you this. He actually caught John Stattmiller in the station in his office, which was almost impossible to do because he'd blow in ten minutes for a show and blow out when it was over. Okay? This guy caught him in the office, and this is what he told him. And John told me this personally. Okay? He said, that stuff Roger Sales is teaching is gonna get a lot of people in trouble. Well, that's what he was telling all these other people, other hosts calling into another show.
And one of my fellow students, a guy named Tommy from Brooklyn, who used to call into shows all the time, was listening and he called me and told me about it. He said, man, this guy called up this show. He's running you down one side and up the other. And I called in and said, listen. I have the same teachers Roger did. I'm he knows what he's talking about. He contacted another show. Same thing. Okay? And so finally, I'm talking to one of my good students who lives down in Saint Simons Island now, Rick Scruggs. I was talking to Rick. Rick had 13 lawsuits going at one time. One of them in the Supreme Court for certiorari, one of them at tax court in DC, and a whole bunch of traffic stuff strung out behind him. You wanna make your life miserable? You just go file 13 lawsuits simultaneously.
Okay? So I'm talking to Rick and and I'm telling him this story. And he goes, well you know, Roger, I was in a cop station last week and I saw one of those Southern Poverty Law Center magazines they send out and I picked it up. I said, well do you still have it? And he goes, well, I think so. So he goes off, looked for a minute, comes back to you. I got it. He opens up the front cover. It says right here, managing editor Russell Estes. I said, okay. Look down that list. Are there any other Russes? No. Well, that's gotta be him. So I got on our b n and called his ass out using his last name.
We never got bothered by him ever again. He was still hassling Diana Spingolin, a bunch of those people over there, but they've been known about this since it hit the street fifteen years ago, folks. There's no secret to them. Tom, how are you, buddy?
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Alrighty.
[01:46:18] Unknown:
Yeah. That was true about John. He he come in like the wind and out like the wind. And, you know, many days he I saw him do that when I was at the station. Now I'm trying to get back to oh, did you I don't know if you heard, but the the Treasury Department, I guess, has gotten has gotten a hint that people that are useless or of no use whatsoever are being kicked out of a job, and the Treasury employees at the IRS pointed out to the to Musk's team that there was $2,700,000,000,000 that weren't accounted for that had no ledger entries, had no descriptions of what where the money went or what it was for. So they're like, here here here's our pennant, so please don't fire us, I think.
[01:47:13] Unknown:
So they're trying to buy their buy their job. Right?
[01:47:17] Unknown:
Yeah. They're trying to keep their jobs by saying, here here we found this and, you know, maybe you should take a look at this.
[01:47:24] Unknown:
And, I thought so that was funny. Sixty sixty minutes was totally Sunday night on on bashing Trump. Right? And they have two employees from USAID that come on there. Oh, yeah. Everybody was kicked out. Can't pay our rent and all this stuff. Right? Turns out they're they didn't even use USAID employees. They were damn shields Yeah. On sixty Minutes. Typical
[01:47:50] Unknown:
I know. Typical. Glenn yeah. Glenn Beck was taught had it on the show this morning. He was talking about all these employees that, you know, had to now they have to be like the rest of us and worry, you know, hey. Am I, am I gonna lose my job at any point in time? He was playing, like, you know, sympathetic music in the background. You know, like, yeah. Okay. The rest of us, you know, okay. We got a new boss coming in. Is he not gonna like me? Is he gonna you know, am I gonna get fired today? Or, you know, because these people, you know, once they're in there, you know, you really gotta be do something horrendous to get fired from the government. Oh, it's almost impossible to fire a bureaucrat. It's almost impossible. Another thing They got Yeah. Nothing you were talking about that. Punch o Punch code o nine.
[01:48:35] Unknown:
Yeah. They got all these federal employee unions that that protect them. Yeah. What about push code o nine?
[01:48:42] Unknown:
Yeah. I haven't heard that in years and years. But, you know, so what they did is so in order to fill out that dummy return, and you did get that right too, they would do a net worth on you. And they would figure out, okay. If you're living this lifestyle, you get this kind of car, you got this big house, you got a swimming pool, you got all this. They would do a net worth on you, and they would just max out what they, you know, could get away with, and then they would file that $10.40 and then they could come after you civilly because well, that's what they would do to people, I think I've told you this before that people that beat the willful failure to file charge in court because they prove to the jury that, oh, I made a mistake. I didn't know I was supposed to. You know, I was in error, blah blah blah. Okay. So you may have gotten away with a criminal charge, but they're still coming after you civilly so that they would use that punch o nine and file a substitute for return and max it out to the max, take you know, give you no defendants, no deductions, none of that, and then they come after you civilly.
[01:49:44] Unknown:
Here's, here's what happens. When they go past the push code now, the 10 forty's file, they go and put it on the assessment, all that stuff. And, so, at that point, the IRS runs into a problem. They got there's a fork in the road. Remember the old Johnny Carson? There's right past the Slauson cutoff. There's a fork in the road that they've got to deal with and the fork in the road is remember, they had to file an, a ten forty for him, a dummy return, so he's under failure to file. Now this is criminal. Okay? So what they've got to do is they've got to take that and look and see whether they're gonna prosecute you criminally, which includes beyond a reasonable doubt and a jury.
And these are the high profile cases that they really hate to lose, IRS. It hurts them. Okay? So they get to a fork in the road where they determine whether they're gonna come after you criminally, which includes, you know, court, jury, all the rest of it, or whether they're gonna come after you civilly, which is lien, levy, garnishment, and seizure. So they gotta come to a point where they decide which one of these are we gonna go after. Okay? Now you'll like this, Tom. I heard this story a number of years ago. You know, the IRS rents their offices. You don't ever see them in a government office because they're not a government agency.
Okay? So they rent their own buildings. And so there was and and what what does the supervisor wanna do? He wants for all his agents to have as many people back into the system and their case load of open files as low as possible. Right? That's his deal. Get these people back in the system. And so they were in their office one day, and they had one of these suspended ceilings, and the roof caved in. I literally those tiles and stuff, it it all it guts. And what had happened was the agents were taking these case files and sticking them up above the tiles in the roof.
Yeah. I know. It got so heavy, the ceiling fell.
[01:52:05] Unknown:
Yeah. I know. I heard, I heard, Beecraft and Beckman, somewhere I was on a conversation with them. And, you know, Beecraft said that unless they have a 95% chance of conviction, they will not go after you. So that was the best thing for people that right. If you're writing letters to them, you know, they write you a letter, hey. Where's your return? You write them back three more letters and ask them all kinds of questions, and they never respond. Well So the next time you get a letter, you do it again. The next time you get a letter, you do it again. And then if they ever take you to court, you bring those letters in and you say, here, I send them this letter, this letter, this letter. They never responded. So what was I supposed to do? And that's how a lot of these people got off of, the convictions. Right. But then they parade around the country writing books and giving speeches and all that saying, alright, beat the IRS. No. You didn't. Yeah. You just you just convinced the jury that you made a mistake, that you were you were required. You just made a mistake and didn't. And that was it. They used to piss me off to no end. And I used to go around and challenge these people at these meetings, and I got, you know, I just got a rate with them. You know, I told you all that. So
[01:53:16] Unknown:
you may want to on the front on the website there. I'm not sure where Paul has it. He might can tell us. Is a document called 66 questions to the IRS by Al Attisk. And Al got some correspondence from them. He drafted these 66 questions, sent it to them, never heard from them again. Okay? And Tom's exactly right. Why? Because an agency is a court of record. A court of record, Roger, you say. What's the record? Your administrative file. When they send you letters, they've got to put a copy in the file. When you reply, they've got to put your reply in the file.
So your administrative file is a court of record because it contains all of this correspondence. Okay?
[01:54:09] Unknown:
So what you want to do And you can request your individual master file and find out all that stuff.
[01:54:15] Unknown:
You can get all that stuff. Okay? And and but what you want to do is you want to poison pill that thing. And if you want to get a good idea, I'll get you a second, Joe, of how to poison pill it, go look at those 66 questions that Al Attis wrote. And you'll find you'll see pretty quick why they didn't he never heard from them again. Yeah, Joe.
[01:54:38] Unknown:
There's an addendum I want to what you're saying, Roger, in that if you have one of these agents that are giving you a bunch of static and treating you wrongfully, if they are breaking the law, you write a letter to their supervisor with their name and their badge number and whatever on it. And regardless of the outcome, that goes in that letter goes in their permanent file. And and these letters, and they go away.
[01:55:15] Unknown:
Yep.
[01:55:17] Unknown:
That's fine. So there's ways to go ahead. I'm sorry. Yeah. I didn't thank you. I'm done. I'm done. Okay. Tom. Roger. Hey, Roger.
[01:55:28] Unknown:
Rod yeah. Yeah. I I know that works because, I, I got pissed off at this IRS agent once, and he just wouldn't back off. So I wrote up a cease and desist, and I followed him home one day from his office and served it at his front door. And boy did boy did they they changed the agent, and they and the whole thing just blew up on him. Yeah. They were Wow. They were not happy campers. They're good. You know? They never tried to do anything. I just politely knocked on the door and said, oh, here. This is for you. Oh, who are you? By the way, you're you're served. You're served, sir. Yeah. And you're served. That's exactly what I said. I'm glad he pulled in I was glad he pulled in to get gas because I was almost on an empty phone on him too. You know, it was just, I didn't know where the hell he lived, but, I so he got gas, and I'm getting gas right behind him, and he don't even know who I am. You know, you are. If you I've I've never heard anybody doing that, Tom. Do what, Joe? If you send that to his supervisor, it goes in his permanent file forever. Good. Good.
[01:56:33] Unknown:
And then then you have a permanent record of an issue with that agent. Yeah. It's always there. We had,
[01:56:46] Unknown:
Larry or Jack, somebody, two couple of guys were asking one. Let me interrupt. Go ahead.
[01:56:53] Unknown:
Yeah. I was just gonna add, if if, if a student feels like they're not getting remedy corresponding with the IRS, I I've been helping students, and we've, started to add the inspector general to the Department of the Treasury in in the form of a CC and also the Secretary of the Treasury because the the commissioner answers who's the principal of the agent, so called agency, he answers to the secretary of the treasury, and the secretary of the treasury answers to the inspector general. And so you can add those two persons to the, to the CC list, and they have a duty to to investigate it.
[01:57:40] Unknown:
Okay. Well, there's another I don't think we're gonna be hearing anything from them. You know, Nancy came on the other day. She got the ir the new latest IRS letter, and the same day, she got something with IRS giving her credit for her return revocation of election. So that left hand doesn't know what the right hand's doing over there. And I would imagine they're a little bit panicked, most of those people, quite frankly, as they well deserve to be. Okay. We're pretty close to the program. Yes. Quick.
[01:58:14] Unknown:
The, who gives the IRS the authority to complete a ten forty on your behalf through check code nine? Is it because in the previous year's filing, there's something in the small print when you file that document that gives them power of attorney over you?
[01:58:34] Unknown:
No. It's a voluntary deal dear to dear, but this is what John thought was going on. Have you ever seen one of those letters, Larry, where it says, dear Larry, we haven't received your tax return for twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, twenty one. If you've already submitted these, don't worry about it. But if you haven't, we may ask you to come in with your books and records. Have you ever seen one of those? Well, personally, I haven't seen one of those, but I've heard of them. Know you. Okay. And what do most patriots do with them? Do they throw them in the garbage? Throw them away. That's what I'm pretty sure most folks do. Yeah. Well, go in and look at in the UCC, go in and look at a contract called a confirmatory writing.
And that's what John thought that that letter was. A confirmatory writing is a contract between merchants who are both apprised of the contents. And if you don't expressly deny it in ten days, it's deemed you accept it. So that's how they get you in a contract on the front end so they can put that ten forty in.
[01:59:51] Unknown:
Silence is act is acquiescence.
[01:59:54] Unknown:
Gotcha. Gotcha. Sorry, Goy. Gotcha. Okay. We're finished with the show today. I had some stuff I was gonna get to, didn't get to it today, may get to it tomorrow. As it's expat lunch today, I'll be not hanging around. But I'm sure glad we had a good little get together today, and I got to tell you some of these stories. And some of you have probably heard some of them before, but if not, you know a little bit more about what you're presented with here and why it's so important and the pain and sacrifices that three men have gone through over a hundred years of legal and historical research for us to understand it so we can help you get free.
So hope you appreciate your help. For a minute.
[02:00:45] Unknown:
Yeah, I have some for union noodle on if you don't mind me bringing that forward.
[02:00:51] Unknown:
Okay, well go ahead. Yeah, I think well, Paul, you got us off. Go ahead, Sherry.
[02:00:59] Unknown:
Okay. Well, just the difference between being a national and one of the people, which goes back to the, original documents. Yeah. We, the people I'm pretty sure. And I'm wondering if we oh, go ahead.
[02:01:17] Unknown:
No. I go ahead, please.
[02:01:20] Unknown:
Well, I was just wondering if that should be stipulated in the affidavit of citizens of this.
[02:01:29] Unknown:
Well, there was only one
[02:01:31] Unknown:
We are one of the people.
[02:01:33] Unknown:
You know, it doesn't matter what you say, Sherry. It does not matter what you say. Specifically, it matters that you're rebutting the presumption. So, yeah, you can put that in there if you want to.
[02:01:48] Unknown:
Right. Well, because that's where all authority is derived from. It's from We the People. Yeah. So Okay. Okay. Thank you, Roger. But I appreciate you and your history and your stories. And let me just finish with this. You're a sales man. Different Well contract.
[02:02:11] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, it's better than having a last name of returns. I figured out along the way. Okay. Who else has got something here?
[02:02:19] Unknown:
Yeah. Roger. Yeah. Yeah. You remember you remember Kotmayer. Right? Do you remember John Kotmayer. Right? Yeah. John Kotmeyer? Yeah. Yeah. He got he got one of those bring your books and records in. And, he he took he took a stack of he took his stack of book books. He took the, you know, the law law book and a bunch of his Elvis Presley records or whatever he had and took them down there. So here's my books and records. What do you which one do you wanna listen to? Yeah. We we'd have guys go into an IRS meeting with a wheelbarrow full of stuff.
[02:02:53] Unknown:
Okay. Boris, what you got?
[02:02:57] Unknown:
Roger? How you doing, Roger?
[02:03:00] Unknown:
I'm doing better. I got a
[02:03:02] Unknown:
alright. Alright. I have a question for you. Do you hear the word n legends before? It's written Fire. E as in elephant, n as Nancy, s as Sam, and space, l e g I s. Legis. Do you hear that word before?
[02:03:19] Unknown:
Speak can you try and pronounce it one more time?
[02:03:24] Unknown:
Okay. It's e as in elephant, n as Nancy, s as Sam. N, and then it's l as Larry, e as in elephant, g as in, gangster, I as in India, and s as Sam, n as like this.
[02:03:44] Unknown:
I've I've never heard of that before. Is anybody I can't even understand what it was saying really. So anybody else get that? Do
[02:03:53] Unknown:
you hear me better now, Roger?
[02:03:55] Unknown:
I hear you. Okay. Yeah.
[02:03:59] Unknown:
Okay. It's my accent. I cannot say it the right way because it's a laughing word.
[02:04:04] Unknown:
Oh, god. I just
[02:04:07] Unknown:
Hold on a second, Boris. What somebody say? And did somebody get the word? I know exactly what Ensligius
[02:04:13] Unknown:
is. It's a creature of the law. It's a Pronouns yes, sir.
[02:04:18] Unknown:
Pronouns it again for me, please.
[02:04:20] Unknown:
I pronounce it n's legis, e n f, legis, l e g I s, but you can say n's legis. Okay. I've never heard I've never heard the word before to my knowledge. It's just look it up in black. It's a it's a creature of of the law, strictly a fiction of man's mind. Ergo, it's no different than this. It's a straw man. And then please It doesn't have a physical body. Yeah. And no physical body and it's only a creature of law. The law made it up, made up the end, like, our all caps name that that matters that it's all caps. But just Okay. Yeah.
Never heard. Straw man is meant we just and we just simply meant to be an overarching term sort of like organization in the code. Whenever they say organization, they're talking about everything under it. And Enzweigis is basically you say Enzweigis, that applies to a straw man, a gas company, applies to all of it. It's sort of like a Okay. Well overall terms. All the Like like us. It it could apply to us too. Every one of us has a different ledges. Yep.
[02:05:22] Unknown:
Yeah. And something else, I was messing around with the AI and asking him about this. And in the beginning, he was telling me a bunch of BS, you know, and I keep pushing him. And he give me the answer that you gave right now. And then I asked him because he told me they're a US citizen is not. But he told me a US person it is. Okay? And I tell him the US person is a US citizen, and he told me yes. And I asked him again, but if a US person is a US citizen, it means that it's an intelligence. And he was like, oh, yeah. But, US person have a body and an intelligence, it doesn't have a physical body. You know? Okay. And I asked him about the old cap names, and he was he tells me the same thing. I asked him for more reference about ends legends, and he he know what I was going to because he told me, oh, I know what you're going to. This is Sovereign stuff, the straw man and stuff like that, you know. But Yeah. I think that they know. They know about that.
We are the straw man. Yes. Well. Oh, well And when they say about the name with the all caps, it's Ann's Legis.
[02:06:38] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you, Boris. Thank you, Roger. Thank you. My eyes are floating. I gotta go to lunch. I'll see y'all tomorrow. Have a good day. Ciao.
[02:06:53] Unknown:
Thanks, Roger. I'll catch you later, Bob. Is your case? About that other things about that and legis, it's possible, US citizen is not strictly and legis because, again, the supreme court has ruled that all all US citizens are also US nationals, but not all nationals are US citizens. And so it's possible they could be looking at it that way. But we all know the character of US citizen as they apply it to us when they're sending us notices and sentiments and offers and invitations. That is to the Ensligius. That is to the Ensligius quality of you that they would like to attach somehow and place the living version, non Ensligius version of you as surety for.
[02:07:44] Unknown:
That make sense? I have a question. Who is speaking
[02:07:48] Unknown:
right now? You just said that. It's Dan. Dan Edwards from Longmeadow.
[02:07:53] Unknown:
Hi, Dan. I'm Sherry. Hello. And what I'm curious is then, don't we have to really define ourselves as we the people, which is common law, the Yep. Creator's law as opposed to a man's law as an Absolutely.
[02:08:12] Unknown:
Yeah. And and the the affidavit that that fell out of Roger's child's brain when he figured out keep it simple is perfect. Everything should start with that. That's a perfect affidavit. That should be like the certificate that sits top everything. So you send the certificate, that's the proof, and then if you wanna say more to the state department, you write up further affidavit about that. Also concurrent with this, you know, I'm not to do this. And if I accidentally have to use a dollar bills because I have no choice and I do not give up my my, you know, citizenship that I've claimed or whatever else you wanna say to the secretary of state. Because I have a bank account does not bring me back into your jurisdiction unless you, you know and you would have to say something about that so I could have a chance to correct that before you did anything. So you can say all this stuff after the certificate.
[02:09:08] Unknown:
Right. But I think it's important to define yourself in that
[02:09:12] Unknown:
regard. Absolutely. Yes. Please do. A man, a woman,
[02:09:16] Unknown:
one of the people. And I'm not I'm not saying that Rogers information because I used it. I think it's a great import, but I think that, it needs to be refined to oldest is best. And when it comes to the almighty, the creator, Yahuah, use his word. And, We The People is way better than national. Man defined national, and they are tricking us with that if you ask
[02:09:57] Unknown:
me. So Totally.
[02:09:59] Unknown:
Totally. Yep. So absolutely say all the right stuff to them and always I'm not an envious. And, you know, we don't own that Social Security number. If you're in the business of by the way, you don't necessarily have to rescind your Social Security number. You just basically stop using it until you're absolutely forced to. A lot of places there exist just say you don't have a social. What's about it in court? Hey,
[02:10:27] Unknown:
Sherry. The We the People part was added by Gubanir Morris on his own. That was not voted in or anything. And if you break it up or break it down, We The People wasn't us. It was them.
[02:10:49] Unknown:
So we're just the people?
[02:10:51] Unknown:
I can appreciate that, Brent. My question is, where did all authority for the government come from then?
[02:11:03] Unknown:
They pretty much picked themselves to go to that thing. That they hide they pretty much hijacked the, articles of confederation. They were there to amend it, not to change it.
[02:11:21] Unknown:
To supersede it
[02:11:23] Unknown:
and Yeah. Hey, Sherry.
[02:11:28] Unknown:
Hi, Julie.
[02:11:29] Unknown:
Hi. My friend, Aman Jabi, who has, picked apart this stuff says, constitution is a communist document. And you got to go back to the articles of consideration just like, Brent is saying. I yield.
[02:11:47] Unknown:
And Aman is a student also of you know who that we don't mention in Roger's presence.
[02:12:01] Unknown:
Hey. What I'm curious about is how do you apply the articles at Confederation, and is anybody on this call actually read them? Because I have not.
[02:12:12] Unknown:
I was part of the, South Carolina to reread the minutes of the articles of confederation, to bring them back into style. So it's a it's a lot. The articles of confederation are a lot.
[02:12:31] Unknown:
Carrie, I have a pocket book of the articles of confederation that I carry around with me as well as the constitution. So, there are a lot, but I think those are what we have to honestly go back to, in my opinion.
[02:12:49] Unknown:
May I ask, Julie, how large that document is, the articles of confederate
[02:12:55] Unknown:
I have to go get it. I was carrying it around with me. I should have said I was carrying carried pocket constitution around with me. I can check and I can email you.
[02:13:03] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you very kindly. We have to get to the root of what's going on here. So, because this is what produces the fruit.
[02:13:20] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, if you look at the if you look at FASB 56, Sherry, that was signed in 02/2018. I mean, that is a real, thing they all signed. They don't have to follow the constitution or the law financial management laws at all anymore. So where does that leave us?
[02:13:39] Unknown:
Thank you, Sherry. May I, lady Linda Louise?
[02:13:46] Unknown:
May I? Linda.
[02:13:47] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. Hi, Mary. In reference to, we the people versus one of the people. In the, declaration of independence, the first sentence says, when in the course of human events, comma, it becomes necessary for one, people, capital p, to dissolve the political bans which have connected them with another. Okay. And move down to the second paragraph. And you see, clearly because I have a pocket that I, I have with me that has the articles, has the constitution, has the declaration of independence. But it says clearly in the second paragraph, that to secure these rights, comma, capital r on right, which means God's right, governments are included among men, comma, deriving their just powers to the consent of the governed.
Right? When any any that whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, capital e on ends, comma, it is the right of the people, capital p. So when Brent says, they created the we the people, this document here makes it clearly one people and then it is the right, capital l, of the people, capital p. I hope that, clarifies it for you. I yield.
[02:15:21] Unknown:
Well, I'm more confused than ever now, Linda Louise. You're saying because it capitalized those words, it means that, it's controlling that it is now changed the concept the whole declaration or what? This is Rochelle. Are you talking to me? Yeah. Rochelle is Miss Louise, I don't understand
[02:15:52] Unknown:
why but you're just getting at it. The document the way it was dialed. I just read the document the way it was dialed. So get look on your computer and read the Declaration of Independence, and you can see how it's dialed. Yes. You You can't see what I'm reading. Capitalized
[02:16:10] Unknown:
because those words are capitalized.
[02:16:13] Unknown:
Yes. You can't see what I'm write I'm reading. So that's why I emphasized for one capital p people. And then the second paragraph, it says, it is the right, capital r, of the capital p people to alter or abolish it. I yield.
[02:16:31] Unknown:
Well, I would think you would be saying that that's not good. That it should be when you say capital, the capitals, what do you mean? Does that mean that it's not one of the whole people?
[02:16:46] Unknown:
Proper noun. Proper noun. I think that it does refer to the whole people. The way they said the people, there can only be one at the end of the day, and that would be the posterity referred to to ourselves and our posterity in the preamble. It has to be. I mean, I don't know how you could see that any other way. So And as a proper noun,
[02:17:06] Unknown:
yes.
[02:17:09] Unknown:
Is what we're gonna have to do? Importance.
[02:17:12] Unknown:
Remember, Guvenir Morris was the one on the committee of file and arrangement arrangement, and he was not elected to be there. He just did stuff on his own, and they let him. Correct. And he was only and he was friendly rich and well born.
[02:17:34] Unknown:
Right. And he wanted the expos facto law to where he couldn't be held to account what he had perpetrated before that document.
[02:17:45] Unknown:
Yeah. He embezzled $17,000,000.
[02:17:48] Unknown:
Correct. Wow.
[02:17:53] Unknown:
Well, what I'm saying is, wouldn't it be better if the word people one of the whole peoples with small letter p?
[02:18:03] Unknown:
It wasn't even voted on by the, the convention. Guvenir just stuck that in there. The style.
[02:18:15] Unknown:
It was in fact with Well, Brent,
[02:18:18] Unknown:
I I'm capital p pissed off. Thank you for helping me.
[02:18:24] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:18:25] Unknown:
Well well, also, if you listen to the stuff. If you listen to the Tuesday evening show with Mike on 38 rebel madman. It's on FCC, which you're on now, and put in thirty eight rebel madman. You know, the numerals, thirty eight rebel madman. It's on 05:00 in the evening, West Coast time till seven. If you're on the East Coast, add three hours. And also on Thursdays, right after this show on FCC on your DIY health, and you'll get a good dose of this stuff.
[02:19:13] Unknown:
Hey, Brent. What they pull. Hey, Brent. Capital t. Thank you.
[02:19:19] Unknown:
Hey, Brent. You said thirty eight what? Rebel madman?
[02:19:24] Unknown:
Yep.
[02:19:25] Unknown:
Rebel madman. Okay. And, and what time? I'm sorry. I just got a pen.
[02:19:31] Unknown:
Five till seven West Coast time.
[02:19:35] Unknown:
Thank you. I yield. If you're there, call me. Have a number.
[02:19:42] Unknown:
I don't know the number. You you could look that up.
[02:19:49] Unknown:
And you can also go on the show and ask them for all their their links, and they'll probably happily give them to you.
[02:20:04] Unknown:
If I may, Rischelle from, Idaho. When you look at the articles of Confederation, article one says, the style, capital s on style, of this Confederacy, capital c on Confederacy, shall be, and then it has the air quotes, you know, the quotes, the capital t, United capital u, State capital s, of America, capital A, unquote. So Oh. The style of something that's written must upheld some importance for the article one to discuss the style of this Confederacy shall be The United States Of America. So that was the very first article. I yield.
[02:20:53] Unknown:
I always thought when it's of something, it's not good. And then if, like, the state like, the state of Idaho, that's not good. It's Idaho state. So are you saying the articles of confederation are written in the wrong style?
[02:21:15] Unknown:
I'm just reading to you the document. Look it up on the Internet or or get a copy of the Articles of Confederation, and you can see I have a whole book of all of them. Okay. So what is What I'm ask
[02:21:27] Unknown:
I'm asking you though, are you stating that when the style was capitalized, that that's not proper?
[02:21:38] Unknown:
I didn't say that. I just read I just read what the article says, Raquel. I'm not making any opinions. Hi, Eel. Okay.
[02:21:50] Unknown:
I got lost, I guess. Sorry.
[02:21:55] Unknown:
You don't owe me an apology, sweetheart.
[02:21:57] Unknown:
I know. But I'm sorry for my poor brain not following you because I really respect your opinion. I'm missing a whole, gear shift here.
[02:22:06] Unknown:
I know, sweetheart. That's why I'm asking you. Get pull out the articles Confederation, and and you can read what it says and what the style is.
[02:22:15] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm not gonna read. Is the style correct?
[02:22:19] Unknown:
I'm just saying Are you saying it is correct? I'm not making any I'm not making any, comments on whether it's correct or incorrect. I'm just reading
[02:22:27] Unknown:
it. Yeah. If you go to if you listen to 38 Rubble Madman tonight or on Thursday, you could ask Mike those questions, and I'm sure he'll give you a straightforward answer as to what it is. Also, a word of caution to everybody within earshot on here. No one is to mention Roger's name to Mike or Mike's name to Roger because both of them are of an age where they will stroke out. And if anybody listened to RBN over the weekend on Sunday, specifically, Steve Elkins' show, he had, Roger Landry on. And Roger Landry is Tom Landry's brother, you know, the football coach, for, what, Dallas Cowboys.
Well, this guy goes into tirades and what have you and dude had a heart attack. And he's like maybe a few years younger than Mike and, Roger because they're only about six months apart. So don't be throwing these guys into stroke territory or heart attack territory mentioning each other's names. They do not like each other. Period. You don't need to know why. I'm just letting you know they don't like each other. They don't like talking about each other or what each other does. Keep it compartmentalized. Thank you.
[02:24:07] Unknown:
Brent, capital T. Thank you.
[02:24:12] Unknown:
I had a question. Saturday show,
[02:24:20] Unknown:
at the end of the show, there was a woman on that talked about a website on YouTube, Donnie on, about paying utility bills. Anybody investigate that, found anything?
[02:24:42] Unknown:
Lady Linda Louise. Can you hear me, sir?
[02:24:46] Unknown:
Yes.
[02:24:48] Unknown:
What's your name?
[02:24:49] Unknown:
Alan out of Indiana.
[02:24:52] Unknown:
Alan. Greetings, Alan. Lady Linda Louise, Connecticut. It's Eon, e e o n, e e o n.
[02:25:03] Unknown:
E o n.
[02:25:06] Unknown:
Okay. And he talks about I yield.
[02:25:10] Unknown:
Yeah. Can I chime in here? Yeah. I I I'm chiming in here. I, I'm this is Julie. I did watch a couple of his videos, and I was not impressed with the first two. So I need to search more, but then I found a different link, that I think might be better. But I just with my work schedule and everything, haven't had time. So I'm hoping to get to that this weekend and have some answers next week in the after show, I yield.
[02:25:37] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:25:40] Unknown:
Thank you.
[02:25:44] Unknown:
So, Brent, I have a question for you.
[02:25:48] Unknown:
I don't know.
[02:25:50] Unknown:
So we're not supposed to mention the name a m a n. Is that correct?
[02:25:59] Unknown:
Aman's okay. No. Aman's okay. It don't mention Roger's name to Mike or Mike's name to Roger.
[02:26:07] Unknown:
Oh, okay. Because I said hi. I had I had mentioned Amanjabi before, and I thought you had said that we don't mention that name either. Sorry.
[02:26:15] Unknown:
Roger has no idea who Amin Jabi is. Oh, okay. Okay. I do.
[02:26:21] Unknown:
Yep.
[02:26:23] Unknown:
Mike and Roger are just set in their way.
[02:26:29] Unknown:
Their oil and water. Well, they did do a show together for, what, about a year, year and a half, and then a wedge came between them. And it was probably planned that way by someone.
[02:26:46] Unknown:
Uh-huh.
[02:26:48] Unknown:
Oh, what was it I was gonna say? Oh, if you go into Mike's archives on, on Telegram, What is it? Teach Me True History. If you can get the link for that. You can find the show that he, had Amin Javi on there teaching for two hours. And the video.
[02:27:20] Unknown:
Yeah. Hey, Brent. Did you say a man had a heart attack on Steve Elkins' show this past Sunday night?
[02:27:29] Unknown:
He didn't have it on there. He had had one. But if you would listen to his previous shows, he does that, TL something advertisement, on RBN. And he had a Sunday show for a while, and then all of a sudden you didn't hear him. And I find out Sunday that the guy had had a, I guess, a heart attack.
[02:27:57] Unknown:
Uh-huh.
[02:27:58] Unknown:
Yeah. But if you would Are you here to tell me that that Tom Landry and Roger Landry are brothers?
[02:28:06] Unknown:
Yep.
[02:28:07] Unknown:
Unbelievable. Unbelievable.
[02:28:11] Unknown:
Yep.
[02:28:17] Unknown:
Interesting. I'm surprised.
[02:28:19] Unknown:
Yep. Well, when he told me on the shows and stuff, you know, I just have it on just to fill the air and stuff and, you know, when I'm getting ready for work and Roger Landry? That out. Roger been a submariner also. So Roger Landry and Tom Landry, the football coach? Yep. Yeah. Well, okay.
[02:28:48] Unknown:
Go Cowboys.
[02:28:55] Unknown:
This is Rochelle.
[02:28:57] Unknown:
Mhmm. Yeah.
[02:28:59] Unknown:
I I came on your show to ask for if anybody could help me with, someone in the Washington state area I that knows about child custody issues. I just came back from visiting my youngest son, and he's he really he carries the constitution around his pocket, and he tries to do what he can to learn, but he works two jobs and takes care of full care of his son by himself and has another daughter. And the son he needs somebody to help him with his
[02:29:39] Unknown:
Is he in is he in Dutch with CPS right now?
[02:29:45] Unknown:
No. No. He's acting actually
[02:29:48] Unknown:
He he's not on their he's not on their radar screen yet.
[02:29:54] Unknown:
Not to take the children. He's had to report his ex to them because she was endangering his child, but they didn't do anything about it. And I think he's dangerous.
[02:30:05] Unknown:
Number number one, he needs to quit contacting them. Number two, he needs he needs to whip up an affidavit for him. Oh, wow. His wow. He's gonna need his ex's, signature possibly.
[02:30:25] Unknown:
Not possibly. Well More important like needs to talk to somebody face to face. Oh,
[02:30:31] Unknown:
well, no. There's nobody face to face that's knowledgeable enough to get him out of that. He needs to listen to the show. He needs to go back in the cast box and listen to Sarah's story. It's fourteen minutes and it'll hit him at what he needs to do.
[02:30:55] Unknown:
And it's called what?
[02:30:57] Unknown:
Does his does his ex do drugs?
[02:31:02] Unknown:
Alcohol sometimes, but she's far functional.
[02:31:06] Unknown:
She's Does does does he have mind control. Does he have custody?
[02:31:14] Unknown:
Partial, equal, but he doesn't have proper visitation rights. And she always is changing them and it just drives him nuts on purpose to just get him frustrated. He's very calm and he just deals with it but I told him you need those visitation rights in stone and meet in a public place to exchange, and she makes him come to his house, and it's very dangerous. She's gonna set him up for something. She's
[02:31:43] Unknown:
Well, he can have a crazy. He could have a camera or two on him the whole time and that'll stop that one real quick. Yeah. And the cameras are cheap now. You can find them for $10 sometimes and they work really well, and the audio is fantastic.
[02:32:04] Unknown:
And in Washington State, it's mutual. You gotta tell them that you're talk recording them, but not the audio. I mean, not the visual.
[02:32:15] Unknown:
Well, if he has that camera on him in a visible place, she's gonna know what time is.
[02:32:22] Unknown:
Just looking at him, wearing it will be enough to, yeah, put a that's a good idea. So what's the name of this buddy,
[02:32:31] Unknown:
he he needs to file an affidavit with Secretary of State of The US and with the IRS. He might as well notify them too at the same time and then proceed through the state authorities from the attorney general well, governor, attorney general, on down into the county and cities that he deals with.
[02:33:00] Unknown:
That his custody rights are being violated?
[02:33:03] Unknown:
No. His Affidavit of Citizenship Evidence. It takes him out of their, it takes him out of their jurisdiction.
[02:33:15] Unknown:
Well, I don't think he's ready for that, unfortunately.
[02:33:18] Unknown:
He's in the corporate Well, well, he's he well, he well, he ain't ready for what he's about to undergo then. It it's just that simple. He needs to do it.
[02:33:31] Unknown:
So you told me there's a fourteen minute video he can watch?
[02:33:35] Unknown:
Yeah. We call it Sarah's Story. It's fourteen minutes. They took a cut out of the show and highlighted that and Sarah tells her story of what happened with her daughter when they went on vacation.
[02:33:54] Unknown:
They're from And I they're from
[02:33:56] Unknown:
a southern state. They went up to, I believe, South Dakota and then down into Colorado, and they had problems in both places. And they solved those problems real quick with that piece of paper.
[02:34:12] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:34:14] Unknown:
December 4.
[02:34:17] Unknown:
And where do I do this and what link?
[02:34:20] Unknown:
On Castbox, that's castb0x.fm. K. Foxtrot trot mic. Yeah. And you put in RadioRanch, and it takes you over there. And what was the, year? Was it '21 or '22, December fourth?
[02:34:53] Unknown:
It it might be easier finding on the matrix stocks. I think it's there somewhere.
[02:34:59] Unknown:
Yeah. There's probably a link there. That that's a big one.
[02:35:03] Unknown:
Yeah. That one. Okay. My computer's down now, but I will get that up and look at it and pass it on. And then that'll wake them up.
[02:35:14] Unknown:
What kind of phone are you on? A smartphone?
[02:35:18] Unknown:
No. I'm on a I'm on a landline here. I do have a cell when I'm in town.
[02:35:23] Unknown:
Oh, well, go on your cell phone and look up castbox.fm, and it'll take you there. Because 90 to 95% of the time whenever I'm on the show, I'm on my phone. So you can bring all that stuff up.
[02:35:41] Unknown:
And your name is? Brent. I'm not familiar with your voice.
[02:35:50] Unknown:
You ain't?
[02:35:51] Unknown:
You ain't. I
[02:35:53] Unknown:
I I I I I I've only been with Roger for about thirty some years.
[02:36:00] Unknown:
Are you Paul?
[02:36:02] Unknown:
How can you forget Brent?
[02:36:05] Unknown:
Brent? Well, I'm sorry. I your name is Brent. Am I right or wrong? It's b r e n t.
[02:36:14] Unknown:
Brent. Okay. Alright. Yep. Brent. And I'm not winners. I'm the other Brent.
[02:36:21] Unknown:
Well, I'm just no. Your voice is very distinctive. I'm not able to get on Roger's sales very often, but hopefully now I'll be able to hear more.
[02:36:31] Unknown:
How long have you been with all these family issues.
[02:36:34] Unknown:
How long have you been listening to Roger?
[02:36:38] Unknown:
I started hearing him probably a year ago. He's wonderful. I'd like to listen to him every morning, but I have to put the phone right up to my ear. I and that means I and I can't carry it around with me. It's an old landline on the wall, so
[02:36:55] Unknown:
I can't do anything else. And so Well, why don't you up why don't you upgrade the one and stick it on speakerphone?
[02:37:06] Unknown:
That would be a great idea to get a speakerphone for my landline. And I did get one. It didn't work. So this is the one I have right now. I got one that you can walk around with it, and that was better. But, anyway, this is what I have right now and I I live so primitive. I spend a lot of time what would get going to the outhouse and hauling water and right now I'm snowed in and almost in a panic till I can get out tomorrow. I have a huge meeting with the commissioners tomorrow, representing the people on the land with the emergency management, committee. They asked me to they asked me.
[02:37:56] Unknown:
What previous invitation.
[02:37:59] Unknown:
Anyway What previous what previous teachings have you had? I'm noticing some.
[02:38:06] Unknown:
I know about the I know about the
[02:38:10] Unknown:
national. Who did you follow-up? Tuesday
[02:38:13] Unknown:
Thursday classes with the Republic with the Republic, classes at Linda Louise and I, I've been in that forever.
[02:38:23] Unknown:
Oh, okay.
[02:38:25] Unknown:
And so I'm familiar with and a lot of it I haven't done everything I should. And I'm trying to, but I'm I'm just having
[02:38:36] Unknown:
a lot of existing.
[02:38:39] Unknown:
Some of your verbiage is gonna throw you into the David Straiton and Yvonne Wrong, category. Oh. So so I would tone some of that down. You know, just talk normally and use the Latin terms you hear on here and they can't they can't construe the two. They'll try to, but they usually can't because we don't talk like they do.
[02:39:08] Unknown:
I was of course, I heard about them and And and we try not to talk like them. Okay.
[02:39:17] Unknown:
I haven't like it.
[02:39:20] Unknown:
I I had not I was not impressed with her the first or second time I heard about her.
[02:39:28] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, so far, Anivan Wright's stuff is gonna get you shot and killed, like what happened to that, Utah mother's, son. And then, David Strait, What? His wife is probably still languishing in jail from what we hear. And that's been over a year.
[02:39:50] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm pretty lawful as I can and legal. And I wish I, you know, I have all my tags and everything just because I'm traveling back and forth. I have been stopped and I have been treated very well when they when I explained to them our article one section eight clause 17. But,
[02:40:15] Unknown:
I've never been there.
[02:40:19] Unknown:
Remember, you're dealing with a 90 IQ person that's politically correct or politically connected and, it it it's garble in his brain.
[02:40:36] Unknown:
Yes. But it won't have just having it printed in a specific black and white print laminated on the back of my legal license plate. When they turn that over, if they are at all savvy, they go, oh, I have I have seen this. And they hand it back to me very politely. But
[02:41:00] Unknown:
You might go through the Department of Transportation for The US and get you a, what is that number? It's a, a private, vehicle number.
[02:41:15] Unknown:
DOT?
[02:41:16] Unknown:
Yeah. DOT number.
[02:41:19] Unknown:
Oh, and you get it on and you can just include that on your little statement on the back of your license?
[02:41:26] Unknown:
Oh, you could do that and or make you a plate with that specific number. That number is assigned to you, period.
[02:41:35] Unknown:
That might get me thrown in jail or stop the road.
[02:41:41] Unknown:
Well, if you look at, what's happened with Joe Lustica, it's turning out well now.
[02:41:49] Unknown:
I'm willing to do that when I finished all my revocation of election, done everything, but I haven't gotten all that done yet. But I would say putting a department DOT number on the back of my light. My card would be good.
[02:42:07] Unknown:
Well, the first thing you should do is file with the, Secretary of State of The US as well as the IRS, have them on notice, and then begin the rest of the festivities.
[02:42:23] Unknown:
Because the IRS is a record of a court of record.
[02:42:29] Unknown:
Well, yeah. You want it in there as well as, you know, Secretary of State. Secretary of State is first and foremost, then notify the IRS and then go on down the line with your notifications. And then when you're ready to get your passport or passport card or both, send in, you know, your affidavit notarized and, you know, with your application. The postal clerk is probably gonna try not to put it in there and make every lame excuse except for you're going to read the application and you're going to find the black box warning and show him that you can.
And you don't need to give him a reason or anything because they tried that crap with me. Oh, well, what is it? That's something between me and the Secretary of State was my answer. Oh, well, why do you want to send it? Because it says I can
[02:43:37] Unknown:
was my Now you're not are you talking about when you do the, DOT or the Department of Transportation No. No. No. No.
[02:43:45] Unknown:
I'm talking to the area of state
[02:43:48] Unknown:
and getting your passport. Yes. Yes. I'm all about it. Because they try and discourage you from sending it. Yeah. And some of them some of them will downright not say, I'm not gonna send it.
[02:44:03] Unknown:
You know? Somehow they got What what's the reason they say they won't send it?
[02:44:09] Unknown:
They just stand on their authority that they ain't gonna do it.
[02:44:14] Unknown:
And they don't know any difference.
[02:44:17] Unknown:
And then through. You either talk to their boss and or find another post office to send it. But you take that you take that packet from them because they're gonna try and destroy or leave out that card. And watch them see and watch them seal the envelope and make and thumb through the papers to make sure that affidavit is in there.
[02:44:47] Unknown:
What I did was ask for a copy. I asked the post guy, for a copy of what he was including. So Oh.
[02:45:04] Unknown:
Mhmm. Numbered but, well, pages could be numbered also.
[02:45:09] Unknown:
Well, what I did was get a copy of the application that I was filing. So
[02:45:17] Unknown:
How did they're not gonna copy anything there in the post office. Yes. He asked bring in a secondary
[02:45:23] Unknown:
Nope. He did. Right in front of me.
[02:45:28] Unknown:
Oh. Yeah. That interesting. Yep. And then you you made him take a copy of all those things you're sending to the secretary of state.
[02:45:38] Unknown:
Am I correct? Which was the application and the, affidavit.
[02:45:43] Unknown:
Wow. And they did that at the post office?
[02:45:47] Unknown:
Correct. Now it's not a a copy of my signed application. He copied it before I signed it because I asked for it before I signed it. And I also had him attach my affidavit before I signed it. And he said, well, I thought it'd be easier for you to sign first, then I'll attach it. I said, no. You attach it first, then I will sign the application. And so he did. And they generally do what you tell them to do as long as you are forthright and stand on your authority and convictions. And so that's what he did for me.
[02:46:32] Unknown:
Because I told him have Yeah. Go ahead.
[02:46:40] Unknown:
No. What I'm saying is I I told him I wanted a copy of what I was signing, and I wanted my affidavit of, attached before I signed. And he did that.
[02:46:57] Unknown:
And did he did is it was there a mark or anything? The reason you get this is proof that it was actually sent by the post office. Correct?
[02:47:11] Unknown:
Well, as a general rule, anytime you put your your signature or autograph on a document, better keep a copy of it.
[02:47:25] Unknown:
Right. But I would have just brought an extra copy in with me and maybe have them state sign it. This is a copy of what went into the envelope. I've never done that when I've sent official things through the post office. I've just, kept a copy myself.
[02:47:46] Unknown:
Generally, they're they are not gonna sign on to a copy of something. But if they make copies themselves, then therefore, it is. All's I'm saying is they're not gonna look through to see if your copy is the same as what you have provided to them.
[02:48:09] Unknown:
But for them to make just kept that copy and wrote on it that it was copied by the post office. This is the copy of what was sent?
[02:48:19] Unknown:
No. It's the first option. I I've got the copy of it, and I keep it in my documents folder, you know, my travel papers, so to speak.
[02:48:29] Unknown:
Yeah. I was That's powerful. Keep those with you.
[02:48:35] Unknown:
So I I'm just saying, if you have them copy what you are providing and what you are sending in, they're not gonna have any problem. Now it did take Very interesting. You know, a second for him to, you know, consider what I was asking for. But he Mhmm. He gave me what I asked for. So ask. And then you keep that
[02:49:02] Unknown:
you know, you keep that in your travel papers Yeah. And then you make a extra copy of it too.
[02:49:10] Unknown:
Well, I have that. Though.
[02:49:13] Unknown:
It's Yeah. It is? Date it when you sign it.
[02:49:20] Unknown:
That might be, but my passport is documentation of the date of the application. Yes. That's true. Anyway Yeah. All I'm saying is that Well, that's
[02:49:33] Unknown:
double.
[02:49:34] Unknown:
Correct. I'm just curious. How many people got a copy of their application for their passport? I did.
[02:49:42] Unknown:
Yeah. Instead of just making one and
[02:49:46] Unknown:
keeping it making it at the local store and then Or no. You just fill it out, send it in, and you don't you have no proof of what you put on that document, that application.
[02:49:57] Unknown:
I'd never do that. I would have one that I'd already done before I went to the post office, and then having them make the copy, that's very good. Very good idea. Another thing I did when I make official mailings is I, I have them I I use my debit card, and then I have a receipt of the time and date that they actually made the mailing. And I and I taped that to my copy that I sent that this was sent on such and such a date. Because I don't trust that maybe someone might throw it in the trash too. But then when I get a confirmation it was received, then I actually, put that on there also of this because they do a they can do a track they'll do a tracking on your paperwork, and I write that it was received.
[02:51:01] Unknown:
Well Alright. Well, I think it's time to take the stream of this. So it could be just a lockstep and it ain't right.
[02:51:07] Unknown:
But there's a lot of good things that I learned as a half week. Marcel,
[02:51:13] Unknown:
Paul is speaking. We yield to him. Thank you, Paul. Yeah.
[02:51:18] Unknown:
Thank you, Sherry. That's it for the Radio Ranch, including a couple hours of after show there for you. Catch us here Monday through Saturday, 11AM to 1PM eastern, if not longer. You can for more information on the topics discussed, go to the matrixdocs.com. It is the matrixd0cs.com. You can find the links to free conference call. Join us live on the show. Join the folks in the after show, or grab the links for eurofolkradio.com or Global Voice Radio Network, and, listen to the show anywhere pretty much. Thanks for joining us. I'm Paul from Global Voice Network. We'll see you right back here tomorrow, 11AM eastern, on the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales.
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Introduction and Broadcast Platforms
Gold and Silver Market Insights
Fort Knox and Gold Reserves
Financial Transparency and FASB 56
Personal Finance and Minimalism
Power of Prayer and Spirituality
History of Tax Law and Personal Journey
Legal Battles and IRS Strategies
Supreme Court Case: Afroyim v. Rusk
IRS Correspondence and Legal Tactics
Constitutional Discussions and Historical Context
