In this episode of the Radio Ranch, we delve into a variety of topics ranging from property taxes, the intricacies of the U.S. tax system, and the concept of usufruct. We begin with a discussion on the resurgence of interest in property taxes, particularly in Texas and Tennessee, where legislative changes are being proposed to aid hurricane victims. The conversation shifts to the constitutional aspects of taxes, exploring the differences between direct and indirect taxes, and the implications of the Sixteenth Amendment.
We also touch upon the complexities of the U.S. financial system, including the role of the Federal Reserve and the potential nationalization of this institution. The discussion extends to the concept of usufruct, a lesser-known legal term that refers to the right to use and enjoy the property of another without altering its substance.
Listeners are introduced to the idea of the Cestui Que Vie trust, a controversial topic often discussed in the context of the Fourteenth Amendment and the status of U.S. citizens. The episode also covers the potential for individuals to discharge debts using specific legal strategies, as well as the broader implications of the U.S. being in a state of bankruptcy since the 1930s.
Throughout the episode, the hosts and guests engage in a lively debate, exploring various legal theories and their practical applications, while also addressing listener questions and clarifying common misconceptions about the legal and financial systems in the U.S.
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Alright. Cowboys, cowgirls, we're gonna try and change the world a little bit here. Two hours worth of shoulder to the wheel. And, it is the Sabado, Saturday edition of the Radio Ranch. Roger says your host. A whole bunch of other folks around, we trust. And, it is, the day after, sweetie's day. So I hope you had a a night. Should you have a cigother, I hope you had a nice Valentine's Day and commemorate your affections for each other. So good for you. We're on an abbreviated set of platforms today because of the Saturday nature of the show, and Paul doesn't have too much work to do today, do you?
Should be pretty short. Short and sweet, and you can go back to, mopping up water. Right?
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Yes. Something like that. Uh-huh. Okay. Yes. We're on EuroFolkRadio.com. Of course, that's the flagship stream. Thanks to pastor Eli James, and we're on Global Voice Radio Network. We have, quite quite a bit of, quite a few folks in free conference call. We've got 23 joining us there. And, shit. Just it is what it is. Well, excuse me. Are you alright?
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You gonna make it? You sound a little challenged.
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Yeah. Just a little bit. But but I'll be fine. Don't keel over on us here, man.
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I'll I'll give last rights here on the radio.
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I'll be fine. Just turn the spit a little faster.
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And I'll I'll And you'll do good. Okay. Shortly. Well, good morning, audience. All of you that may be listening somewhere or the, folks here in the forum as you most of you probably know, the show is not for you really. It's for new folks, but we, usually don't are not, have onslaughts of new students with thousands of questions, so that doesn't happen too often. We occasionally have one or two. And, of course, it shows for them. So if there's any of you folks that have questions or whatever you want answered, ask them here at the first and and, maybe we can take, the subject on through the rest of the program today.
So I'll give you a second. You gotta hit star six, I believe, is to unmute yourself. And if you're one of those folks, we don't bite. We're here for you. We're here on Saturday for you.
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So, if there's not, and it doesn't appear that there are,
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all you have to do is hit star 6 and say Roger, and we'll recognize you.
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No. No. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. None of those folks. Crickets. Okay.
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Sounds like crickets. Then we can plunge off into other stuff. Paul, there seems to be a resurgence here. I got two different emails from two different states. Or dealing with two different states on property tax. One of them was Texas and a fellow that drove all the way from Dallas, Fort Worth down to four hours to Houston to talk to some representative. That's about as far as I got in the video, and, it's an interesting subject. Now the other one, I sent to you in an email. I forwarded it to you, Jeff, our old buddy student, who we don't see too often around here anymore, at least vocally, Jeff out of, Plano, Texas.
And, he sent this one about Tennessee. Now I forwarded it over there to you in an email. I don't know if you've had a chance with all your mopping activities and the other things that you're responsible for. If you've had a chance to get over there and look at that, it's very short, but I thought it was very significant. It's a, x, a little x x, or can't you think you can lay hands on that?
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I think I can. I think I can. I think I can. It's kinda like the little engine that could. Right? Yeah. Right.
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It's over there in your email box. A pretty good idea out of the Tennessee legislature, really. I would expect some of the other Southeastern states to follow in their lead. We'll see though. It's a contentious issue. I don't know that we had property taxes before March the ninth of nineteen thirty three. I've never really gone in and studied it. If remember, constitutionally, there's only two types of taxes, direct and indirect. And the direct tax, like, would be on your head, capitation, they call it. Mhmm. Capitation tax has to be apportioned if it's gonna be constitutional. See, this is where the IRS pulled an in run on this, and to fit in and mold in completely with the communist manifesto, of course.
But, the capitation taxes have to be apportioned by the constitution, and that's one of the reasons the census was formed at the founding of our country. Mhmm. Yeah. So that they can know and the capitation tax according to the census apportioned means that everybody pays the same amount. So a little state like Rhode Island versus a relatively big state like New York or Pennsylvania, if the congress came with a capitation tax and they had everybody to pay equal, then they had to work out the difference in the populations to the size of the state. And so that's what what that was there for.
I get what would a land tax like property tax be? See, that can't be federal and constitutional because I don't believe there is one. The the capitation taxes would be on the body. Those are body taxes. That's what capitation means, is head. It's a head tax. That's not land. That's you. And the other, one is, is an indirect tax, which is also called an excise tax. And those have to be uniform. Capitation taxes have to be apportioned, and and indirect taxes have to be uniform. Now that means that everybody pays the same. Again, So there's no differentiation. Nobody's paying more. It's not a a direct, progressive income tax. It's this indirect tax unless you use gas as a example. That's a federal tax and a state tax.
So if there's a gas station right there next to the Port Of Houston where, you know, a lot of energy comes in and out, The taxes are are let's say it's close to a refinery, that and there are those there, I believe. The, the tax is gonna be less than if you're out in the middle of Alaska, and they've gotta get one of those big trucks and and all the expense of carrying it and everything else. But wherever you buy that gas, the federal tax on it, and I guess the state tax too if there is any, There probably always is. Has to be the same. So you're gonna pay the same percentage in per in in relationship to the price of the gallon of gas on the interior of Alaska that you are next to the, refinery down in Texas.
And those are uniform extra excise taxes. So that's just the two types of taxes. Where does property tax fit in there, Paul? It's certainly not uniform because everybody's is different with the evaluation, and it's not capitation because that's on your body. It's not on the land. So where does this property tax thing fall?
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By contractual agreement. When you bought the property, you agreed to some to that,
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to an ad valorem tax. My suspicion is this all came out with the reorganization and the institution of the new system back in '33. I don't know that for sure. I've never studied it. A lot of people are interested in it, of course, if you own property, because of the scam that's going on right now, evidently. Hopefully, that stopped with the new the new sheriff in town. But, for the last four years, they've been going to the assessment board. And the assessment board is going in and assessing really high high ad valorem changes of the ad. Ad valorem means added value. Okay?
They're gonna add that value to your house, and they put it up instead of trying to see how much money they need for a budget for the year for the county, let's say. They've been taking the input from the other people like the fire department. Like, this is how much money we need. So it's kind of a reverse. It's going on. It was going on. Probably still is. Hadn't ended yet, I'm sure, around the country, and and they're going in and stealing people's houses by overvaluation. And and then once if you get in this in an area and they overvalue a a bunch of them, then those people can't afford it anymore. And they're gonna dump their houses on the market in a bad real estate market, by the way. And and now that's gonna drive the house price of houses down too many, too many available houses on the market in an area. So it's got some real vicious backlashes.
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I know. But,
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but it's been contentious, but I really think, that it came about after '33 would be my suspicion, Paul. What it will be And all the small hat buddies.
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Small hat buddies can't fly
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up those budget houses. Oh, let's go BlackRock and, you know, the remember, BlackRock, Vanguard. Hey. There's Mark. BlackRock, Vanguard, and State Street. Right? What what's what's notable about that? That there's three of them and they make a triangle and they're all interwoven and interwoven? Mhmm. Yeah. I guess so. Yeah. It's called sacred geometry. They follow it specifically, folks.
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When they do things like even set up that that little State Street BlackRock thing. Yes. We've got what? I know we got Mark. We've we've got we've got Mark, but give me just a moment. Let me push this button and see if this works. I don't know if this is going to
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You're pushing my buttons.
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Yeah. We're trying.
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We're trying.
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It's a it's a regular Saturday endeavor.
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Yeah. We'll just call them big, bold.
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Is this the is this the Tennessee thing? We did? Is that the Tennessee thing?
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Yeah. I'm working on it. Okay. We,
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It's very short. It's just very I thought Tennessee is really leading the way here. I think this is a great idea. Well, they got they got Catherine Austin Fitz
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talking to the legislators up there. She's kinda trying to help steer them too.
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Right.
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Right. Okay. Let's see if this works now.
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Tennessee just absolutely set the standard, and here is why. They just announced that from this point forward, anybody that was affected by hurricane Helene will no longer pay property tax as well as anyone that has been affected by hurricane Helene. The property tax that they have paid thus far on that property will be refunded with a 30% kicker on top of it for their rebuilding moving forward. And by god, that is the standard. North Carolina, where you at? California, Florida. I don't know what y'all's tax code is, but y'all should definitely be doing this. And in reality, there shouldn't be property tax at all because that is actually just the government leasing you your shit.
So property tax is definitely unconstitutional, but we'll get to that. But for now, Tennessee, absolutely coming through in the clutch. Y'all stay blessed. Go Vols.
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Go Big Orange. I think that's a good idea, and I hope the rest of the states would follow it. We're gonna see a lot of innovation here as we go forward in the new Trump America. And, my gosh, it's something whose time has come. He's also, believe it or not, believe it or not, Paul, what's being floated is nationalizing the Federal Reserve Bank. Have you heard that? Cool.
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Yeah. Well, the property tax thing is constitutional because it's covered under the no. No. Let me let me finish. Okay. The property tax is constitutional because it's covered under the commerce clause, and it's voluntary. You don't wanna pay property taxes, don't buy a house. You don't wanna pay, alcohol or tobacco taxes, don't smoke, don't drink. You don't wanna pay gas or taxes on gasoline, walk. Damn it. They're voluntary.
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They're called sin taxes. Those two of those you mentioned, and I don't know that owning a home or wanting to is a sin. I think that Bob Morgan's terminology here is very appropriate. It's not unconstitutional. It's extra constitutional under a bankruptcy.
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I don't know that for sure. I'm just guessing. Okay? What what does that mean? That means it's lawful under the commerce clause or legal under the commerce
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clause? Because you can decide not to buy a house. No. No. It's a it's legal under the fact that they've taken ownership of the entire country, including you, and they can do these sorts of things in that capacity.
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That's theft and fraud.
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Enrico The hell the whole damn thing's theft and fraud, Paul. What's new?
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Hold on. The sixteenth amendment, which was supported by the Supreme Court, US Supreme Court under Pollock versus Farmers Loan and Trust
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Company. Sixteenth amendment wasn't in in place then?
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No. But it came afterwards, so it over cracked this. And so the sixteenth amendment passed in 1913. Bear with me. I just lost my place here. Supposedly. But it it allows It supposed Sixteenth amendment? Oh, it it supposedly
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was ratified
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in 1913. Well, that's a whole different argument. But the sixteenth amendment authorized congress to lay and collect taxes on incomes from whatever source derived without apportionment among the several states. Furthermore, the court in Pollock had had that a tax on income derived from property was indistinguishable from tax on property itself. The court later rejected that reasoning in Stanton versus Baltic Mining Company, upholding an unapportioned tax on a mine's income as being not a tax upon property as such, but a true excise levied on the results of the business of carrying on mining operations. Now that that really didn't affect our real estate, you know, question.
But apparently, out of the sixteenth amendment and The US, Supreme Court's, decisions, they believe they have the right to to tax our real estate that we personally own.
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Well, it should be a state deal, not a federal deal. That's all kind of state oriented, isn't it? Well, not if the states are sub political divisions of the federal government. Okay. But the function of it is all internal. I mean, isn't it really in property tax honestly to support your local community for fire department and schools and roads and all that other stuff. Isn't that what it really is for?
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Yeah. But in Oklahoma, sixty percent of it goes to school. Go to education of some form. Or miss education. And then I don't know if Joe up north in the great White North Of Oklahoma, we're gonna have, like, five days of subzero temperatures or I should say subfreezing. Five days straight will never get above 32 degrees. But if Joe in Oklahoma's listening, he could also explain how, not only are they raising the assessments of property, but they're somehow able to, adjust, like, the millages or the something to do with the ad valorem.
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Yeah. It's a it's it's the board that goes in and does all that, I believe. I I I don't remember what they call it. But the the board and that's where the monkey is, is they're not setting their projections and their ad valorem differences in stone. They're not going, we need this. They're going and asking these different departments what do they need, and they're taking their budgets. To help commute the ad valorem rise is my understanding, Mark. You you got it. So,
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the some of the stories that that first come out, Joe, you know, showing me that, and it and it hit the Internet big. I forget the gentleman who was sharing this. I think he was out of Texas. But he discovered that all these different, like, county departments were putting their budgets together, and then that total budget was sent to the county assessor and the, treasury county treasurer and the assessor, and they would up the assessment of the home so they could cover their desired budgets for the next following year. Yep. Yep. And and let me interrupt you. There's an administrative
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appeal in here and everybody that does the administrative appeal gets turned down.
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Right. Right. So yeah. Something needs to be done about this. And and I think our governor, Stitt, who's really kinda two faced in my opinion, he, supporting supporting the green energy movement and our farmers are losing farmland up in Northern Oklahoma. They got a 12 mile wide corridor that they just wanna hand over to the to these green energy companies that were funded under Biden. And we're rich in oil and natural gas. And we're not building a single natural gas, energy plant anywhere. As a matter of fact, we've shut down two clean burning coal powered energy plants and we didn't replace them with anything other than, you know, wind and solar. And they went up at a big solar farm, which is your big solar panels on the ground and that causes all kinds of problems.
So, but anyway, at one point, I think Stitt talked about, he was wanting to do away with the state income tax, and maybe was was hinting it maybe it could be also done with property tax. So you just have to find out a different way to collect tax, and then that spread out usually evenly among the products that you purchase.
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I don't believe that the property tax would be held in such a disrepute by the property owners if it went so damn high.
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Well, yeah. It's it's ridiculous.
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I mean, I don't know if I told you this or if you were you're probably sick, but my friend Walt here who has a nice three story apartment, and, he said, hey. This is for your audience back here a couple weeks ago. And he said, I paid my property tax today. You know how much his property tax was for annually?
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Where's he at?
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He's here.
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Oh, but what where where is the property at? You come up with the property taxes. Here. Here. The property taxes here at his apartment. I have no idea.
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$70.
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Oh, my goodness.
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For the entire
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year. Wow. Wow.
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You wouldn't object to paying that, would you?
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Not at all.
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Okay. Not at all.
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That's like he was when he was redoing his top floor a while back, some of the original stuff had kinda gotten because it's open. It gotten white rain and and and rot. You know? And it was wood, and he was replacing it with steel and, and and then another covering. And he went to buy these steel bars to do that. Right. And, they were $36 apiece, I think. And he pray he got home. He said, well, I wonder what those would cost in The US. It's like over $300 apiece.
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Oh,
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crazy. Crazy. Yeah. Well, there's Well, I know my mom and dad, you know, they live on five acres. And they have a twenty year old home that was modern, you know, for its time. Still is. And their their average, I think the last property tax I saw, it was around 1,200 or $1,300. That's still a lot of I mean, per
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year. That's not bad. That's not bad, really.
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Oh, but, you know, it's but, again, you take states like Texas where they don't have a state income tax, they get you with the property tax. So the property tax on those are the ones that's that float help float a majority of of the state income tax that's not being collected.
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Texas is is one of the there's five or six states that don't have state income tax. Florida's one. Alaska's one, I believe. Tennessee.
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Tennessee. Tennessee. Uh-huh. Who who are the other? South Dakota. Texas.
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I was I didn't know Texas was in there. I didn't know Not very many, though. Just just a few. No. And, of course, Florida handles theirs on the tourism. They tax the tourists.
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There you go.
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So, anyway, I just thought that was kind of an interesting and novel approach from Tennessee on hurricane victims to kinda give them a hand in a bad spot and give them back. Yeah. Stop them from paying property taxes, but what do you say give them back what they've paid in plus 30% or something?
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Yikes. Yeah. That's awesome. Helping them out. Mark? By the way, we missed three. Nevada.
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I I should have known that. I wondered about Nevada. The gambling probably takes up that slack there.
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And then Washington state and then Wyoming.
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Wyoming. Washington state has no income tax?
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That's what it says.
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Those bandits? Those bandits? I mean, they're bandits up there.
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Yeah. It doesn't impose a corporate income tax either. So, you know, that Ah. That's why corporations like to locate up there like Microsoft.
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Uh-huh. Yeah. Well, he's okay. Yeah. Starbucks.
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I think, Amazon's up there too. Yeah. And those when they relocate, they go to another state that doesn't have a state income tax. Well, of course.
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Now, Mark, I don't know if you know this, but years ago, one of the things I did for a couple years in this arena was work with a guy named Dean Allen out of Texas, actually. And he had been taught by another guy how to get through the IRS maze for corporations. They've set up a trail for themselves in the regulations. Have you ever heard that conversation before? I don't know. Interesting. Totally legal, and, by the IRS regs. And in fact, to to the extent that he was helping a client who had been charged with failure to file. And Uh-huh. He wasn't an attorney. He just helped him. You know? And, they ran an IRS informer in there on him and and taped the whole conversation because he did a FOIA for the guy's, stuff, and he and they sent the transcripts of the conversation.
So Oh, wow. This is legit, from IRS and what you do now this is right when LLCs were first starting to come in in the nineties. And there he he he used partnerships to at the head end rather than LLCs because there was only about half the states had passed legislation on them, and there was no real Right. Court track record on them yet. You know? And so he would head up the your company. Let's say, well, I can tell you one of his clients had a cemetery in, Charleston. And, so what you do is you put that entity into a partnership, general partnership limited. I I I think it's general we used.
And then he would go down, and he used to use Panama because Panama had no central registry of corporations. They had what's bearer bearer corporations in essence. And so he was working with law firms down there, and, they would take these corporations and form them and put them up on a shelf, or they'd write you one if you wanted a specific name. But you'd go down there and you'd buy your first corporation. Remember I said they're bearer bonds and they have no central registry. So as opposed to, yeah, an attorney wants to go in The US and they wanna sue you and they take your Social Security number and plug it in and all all these assets pop up. You know? Right. Well, you don't have that in Panama because there's no central registry.
So whoever holds the paper holds the corporation. K? If I sell it to Mark, I get Mark's cash, and he's got the corporation. But there's no change in registry anywhere. Right. And so what you do is you buy that one, and then you'd make it one of the limited partners in The US side. Mhmm. K. Now that being IRS lingo is termed effectively connected. Those two are connected, one to the other. Oh, really? Then you'd buy a third one and attach it to the second one. So you take your funds, you'd move them to the second corporation, and then move them to the third. At that point, they're not effectively connected because there's no direct connection, and you bring the money back into The States just clean. You gotta keep up. You gotta go buy some corporations, and you gotta keep up with whatever requirements, annual meetings, or whatever that may be.
But, that is the way the corporations do it. That's why things like Apple have all this stuff in Ireland.
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Okay? Right.
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And all over the place. And that's how they're doing. It's totally 100 legitimate and legal by the IRS itself. Okay? Which probably it doesn't appear is gonna be around too much longer, Mark.
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Well, we'll see. But I tell you what, this is, I I I kinda hate to hear that because, you know, our our message resonates so well with people who are sick of taxes. And now that that's gone, you know, they Well, it's not gonna be asleep at the wheel and not realize that they're still under the thumb of a a federal government.
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Of course. Well, see, that's where our message becomes so important because we sever the whole damn thing. Okay? And and there's none of this wishy washy crap. It's unfortunate in a sense. I never thought I'd say that. I never thought you'd hear that coming out of my mouth. It's unfortunate in a sense, but we don't know that's a foregone conclusion either. I I I think the, the other side, the bankers, I I think they're in shell shock. You know, like, they're they're having PSD right now. Okay?
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Because it's all happening so fast. They nationalized the fed. Oh my gosh.
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Oh, it's incredible. Well, he did something that just devastated the basis of the whole new world order this week, which is this big tariff deal he did. Are you aware of that, Mark?
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It used to rip the whole world. All kinds of terrorist stuff flying around.
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Well, he with that equalization, he totally ripped apart the World Trade Organization. That's the basis of their whole deal. When they got all these unequal agreements with different countries, like they were given the cars. And the reason the cars, into Europe are so expensive because they they they have a higher tariff than we do. Ours is two and a half percent on their cars. I think theirs is 5% or more. And on top of that, they lay in a VAT tax on top of it, which is equal to 39% between the two of them. Well, that's what Trump went in the other day. He said, no more. Okay?
And and it's so slick what they did to take all these inequalities out of tariffs. Remember that remember who's this is in the Bible, the merchants of the earth. What do they do? They trade. This is the basis of everything. Okay? And, so what he did was come in and said whatever tariffs you're charging us, we're gonna charge you back. So you just keep doing whatever. It'll be fine, but we're just gonna equalize everything out in one easy formula. We don't have to go do negotiations. We don't have to do boom. Done. Neutron bomb.
Boom. Done.
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I'm surprised they haven't tried to come back and say, well, this violates this treaty. But now I'm wondering if any of those treaties were ever properly passed.
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Well, it's a treaty we can back out of and and then make this reciprocal agreement with everybody. I mean, look, these guys, Trump and this cadre, they are smart. They are really approaching this. They're not going through congress and see here's Trump's coming. They know he's coming. They know he's gonna get sworn in. They can't stop it, but they're thinking in their old way of having to go through congress and get this and get that. And Trump and meh and must go in, find a dormant agency that was set up by Obama to to go in and do exactly what they're doing, except as it pertains to Obamacare.
And they're just pulling that thing out and running rampant through the through the village. You know? I I mean, they they they they're in shell shock. I'm telling you. They fired a bunch of IRS employees yesterday, I believe. Cool.
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Cool.
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I was listening to the replay of, Harrison on, on Infowars. There's a great YouTube or excuse me, great rumble channel called General Shepherd. And there's, like, one's fake and the other one's real. The one's got more followers is real. But if you find that channel, every day, he takes all the programs from Infowars, and he edits them down to cut out all the commercials. And then if you played at, like, one and a quarter speed, you can get through that a lot quicker than having to listen to a full two or three hour show. Or I think I think,
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Alex does what? Three or four hours? That's crazy. He does four, and each of the others on the bookends do three. And I gotta tell you what, I get aggravated at Alex sometimes. I mean, I he look. He's big contributor to this movement. He's done great things. He doesn't copyright any of his material. He is listener supported. He's not taking USAID payments, and all that. I just get I I you know, sometimes he here. Let me I got this great guest. He's the authority in the world on this subject, and he brings them on and he won't let him talk. He keeps interrupting them. Okay? I mean, you bring them on, you build them up, and then you go talk over them all the time. Well, it makes me aggravated, but I try to understand. But I'm gonna tell you one thing. He is a really good judge of talent. And folks, what you can't imagine.
I've been listening to this guy before any of y'all ever even heard his name. Back when he was poking around McDillorff Air Force Base down in Tampa on the outside of the fence, That was probably in '93, '90 '4, something like that. I don't even think he got he started Infowars until '96 or '7. Do you know you rebuilt Waco, Mark?
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No. I didn't know that.
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I mean, here's Mark. He's been around Alex Jones, when he was on the air before it was Infowars when he was still on that, PBS station there, he was getting his message out somewhere because I was listening to him all the time. He would take up he set up an account at Lowe's outside of Waco, and he would get on the air to audience, help us rebuild Waco. He'd take contributions so they can get materials, and he'd go over and drive over to Waco from Austin every weekend, and people would gather there, and they rebuilt the Waco church. You never hear that.
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Yeah. You're not talking about Waco owned by the city. You're talking about the Branch Davidians.
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I'm talking the branch Davidians. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. Well, you kept saying Waco. So for Well, I did that or yeah.
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Audience members who might not understand, you know, we're talking about, David Koresh and the branch de Vienne. Branch de Vienne. The federal government used military on Right. Un illegally, period. And so he went and helped rebuild it. I did not know that he helped rebuild the church.
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He was involved in one of the big black hop, black helicopter ops down in Corpus Christi. And they called all that out and brought publicity to it. Yep. Yep. All the rest of the stuff for y'all, you you never even heard of the guy. Then he gets on there and he gets the Infowars thing, and he starts having these forty eight and seventy two hour blitzkriegs asking for donations so they could build the TV studio. So that's where that whole TV studio came. He at one point had 80 employees over there. And I I look at it and I think of me, and I put myself in his place. I go, god, I don't know if I could have done that over all these years, all the pressures, everything he's been through. Oh, you know, you want 80 headaches a day? Go get yourself 80 employees.
Okay?
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Yeah. Exactly.
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You know, on top of He's got some he's got a backbone made out of steel for sure. I mean, you you wanna talk about big balls? There's big balls right there. Yeah. Yeah. Big hairy balls. What put both of them together? Okay. I mean, the guy is phenomenal.
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I, I first heard Alex, back in either 2010, '20 '11. I just moved back to Oklahoma, and, there was a pirate radio station that I could catch. And, didn't know it was pirated at the time, and just through a course of acquaintances, I actually met the the guys that were running it and actually got to see the tower. Was that was that was that a little FM? A little, under 10 k FM? Yes. Okay. Exact well, I think they were pushing that even. So Okay. Well, that's And, you know, they were getting harassed by the FCC and threatened all kinds of, like, we're gonna throw you in jail if you don't stop broadcasting and so forth. So unfortunately, they didn't own the land that they were broadcasting from and the land owners finally caved. They got scared and, you know, when they when they threatened to take their land, then, oh, you gotta get your equipment out of here. So but they had a really cool setup.
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While I'm thinking about it, late least it drift away and may not grasp it again. Is there anyone on the show from Flathead County out there? You know, Gina cut in at the end of a program just recently, and Gary's back in the hospital with the same stuff as before, and we haven't gotten any kind of updates. And I was thinking about it laying in bed last night. If, put out a a call. If anybody is there that knows anything, please let us know. Or if you've got connection with Gina, if you could get her to call in again and give us an update. And we send Gary our prayers.
One of the old old time listeners around here, folks. Good guy. I've been studying this for many decades, and just like with Mark and, you others, when you stumble across this information, you're like Tom Dee. I've been looking for this for forty years.
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K. Yeah. There you go. It it still cracks me up. I wanna circle back to Harrison. I had a thought on that. And and Trump just, like, scorching earth. You know? I was listening to the show and he was talking about the different things that Trump was doing and so forth and and and just how, like, you know, it's on. They they're cleaning house. You know? This is the draining of the swamp, people. This is the draining of the swamp. And I realized something, Roger. I I was like, you know, had Trump not had a four year break in tariffs I agree. I know what you're saying. Into office, this would not have happened.
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And we would not have seen how severe the other side is to the left to the point where it would wake up vast numbers of Americans. It's a blessing. Right. If he would have gone from the first to the second turn seem seamlessly, he would never have learned these lessons, folks. He would never come back this vindictiveness. Do you know what's on the wall in the Oval Office, Mark? No. His mugshot.
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Fraying. Reminder.
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Framed.
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Constant reminder. Oh, praying. Framed. When you said mug shot, I thought you meant the mug mug shot of when they they arrested him. It is.
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In Georgia. It it is. Oh, wow. Framed.
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It's framed on the wall. Oh, framed. I'm sorry. I thought you said praying. My my mistake. Oh, framed. So it's framed on the wall. A daily constant reminder of what they did to him. So now it's not it's this is not vengeance. It's not retribution. It's called accountability.
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It's called justice and accountability.
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Yep. Absolutely. Absolutely. So I kinda realized yesterday that stolen election was a godsend. We got to see, like you said, the contrast of the the radical left and the Biden regime all the way down to the very last day that he was pardoning all these criminals, Nancy Pelosi, all of those criminals that he was, you know, Chuck Chuckie Schumer, all of them were getting, pardons which are that's totally unlawful and I hope they're fighting that. You can't preemptively give somebody a pardon when they haven't been found guilty of a crime. That's called immunity. Yes. So Trump's been called out of
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they've opened up a case against him. They made the announcement. He's under investigation.
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Who who is?
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Schumer. Biden?
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Oh, good. Schumer. Good. Yeah. Well, they'll they'll they'll challenge any partner because I don't think the I could be wrong, but I don't think the president of The United States has the authority to grant immunity.
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No. You know why? The preemptive keep nobody's ever well, nobody's ever done it before, but the reason it's never been done is because you're setting up like Biden and his buddies on the side. Well, here, I'm gonna let you do all this crime right now, and then I'm gonna pardon you before you get charged. Right. Well, that that shouldn't be even a feasibility. Was somebody trying to say something there a minute ago? I mean, Mark has already dominated it. Conversation, so, nobody's interrupting. So I just wanted to pause and make sure we you can't hardly get a word in edgewise otherwise. Yes, sir. Please.
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I just unmuted out here. This is Bob. I was still trying to get a hold of you, Mark. I don't know what's going on. I've
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I've Well, you know, you wanna talk emails. You wanna talk by telephone, and my time is very limited. I mean, you wanna talk over the phone, and my time is very limited as far as being available on the phone.
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So Okay. Well, it would be nice to at least get an acknowledgment that you're not willing because I have gotten zero reply. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome.
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I just everybody wants to talk to me, and I just don't have the hours in the day to be talking to me. What y'all don't understand is Mark takes care of his elderly parents too.
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And one of them falls, and he's trying to take care of them and the other one falls. You know, that kind of thing.
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So I got a question.
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Okay, please.
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Mark, so, if we pay 750, we can ask all the questions we want. Right?
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Not here.
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Well, no. Not here. Not your partner. No. Well, yeah. Well, you're paying for his time then.
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Yeah. I'm not talking about here. I'm talking about your court.
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The the what? But you're not talking about your private membership. Yeah. The Yes. Yes. Yes. If we join your private membership, we can ask all the questions we want. Right? Related to trust and maybe a little bit of court stuff, but yes. Okay. And and how it relates to a national.
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Okay. Thank you.
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Yeah. That's not a problem. I mean, we're gonna be having classes on on our our legacy trust club, and I'll be holding holding those. I'll do some teaching, and then we'll open it up for questions and answers. And I'll do my best to answer every question. And if I can't answer it, I'll go and find out what the answer is. So, and it's gonna be recorded. So thank you, Sketch. I appreciate you, bringing that up. But Oh, not a problem. Not a problem at all.
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It's my pleasure, and, it's always lovely to talk to you. But Oh, well, thank you. If I have to ask questions about trust, I'll I'll join your
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your private member association. Thank you, Mark. Alright. Pre you're welcome. Appreciate that. I mean, we had a pretty good I thought about just taking, last Saturday show and just replay it as my first, webinar because there was a lot of good questions about trust and how they operate and so forth. So
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but And it's a subject that most people know virtually nothing about, and they don't understand it. He I heard, Brent describe it as a one way contract or something to that effect. I thought that was very interesting. K? It's the grantor putting in the property into the trust. So, anyway, Bob.
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Well, yeah. Yeah. I guess you could say that. I that's one way of looking at it. Yeah. It is. Yeah. I thought it was kinda interesting.
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Right. Yeah. And it's one way. So, anyway, that's available to us. We're gonna make some other stuff available. Mark's got a, for anybody that's in debt, they stumbled on something that can really, really accelerate you, give you a lot of choices on how to get yourself out of that condition. I guess we'll talk about that at some point here in the future if I'll ever get off. I'm real good at procrastinating. And I excel at it. Okay? And, I've I've I've polished it throughout my entire life. Sometimes it benefits you, and sometimes it bites you. Okay? I've had both. But I'm gonna get on.
Alex has opened up an affiliate program. Do you know about this, Mark? I heard you talk about it. There's something Well, it's the first year, and I just hadn't gotten over there yet. And, because I don't want our program to be about money, but these are valid services. And this one's exceptional because I know Alex goes out of his way to finance his broadcast and do everything with really high quality supplements and other items. And what he's done is he set up an affiliate program. And so Right. I'm I need to get over there and sign up for it. But this is the deal on that. It's kind of stunning, really.
They give you 10% of the gross purchase. Wow.
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That's unheard of.
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It is unheard of, folks. So 10% of the gross purchase and, all you do is promote him and his vitamins and all this stuff and give them more exposure and hopefully more cash coming in because he's going after all these bastards down. The the the the the the tide has turned and even though they might have been going after him in the past, he's beat him at every turn. And now he's turning around getting information from the inside, and he's gonna go after their asses. But as he says, it takes money to do that. He's got fine attorneys. You know?
So what if you've been buying from Alex, here's the deal. I'll just I'm not gonna dwell on it all the time. I'll put a link on the website. When I give go sit down and go get my affiliate link. And if you guys have been buying any of Alice's Alex's excellent products, I mean, he's got excellent products just bar none, you know. And, then you just go through our link and buy and then we'll get the 10%. If you've not ever been buying Alex's products, he just had another one yesterday I've never heard of. She Shitite, I believe it's called.
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Shetite, something like that. Have you ever
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should've what it should be? She
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legit. She legit. Sheila Jet.
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Well, that may be it right there. Hell, I never heard of this stuff before. But it's this, stuff that Too quick. I think go ahead, Sketch.
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I think Oh,
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Oh, it's one of those that everybody just mentioned. Okay? I'm totally unfamiliar with it, but this is some kind of pure stuff that he said, I've been known about this for thirty years, at least ahead of me. Yeah. And, we we never offered it because we never could find it. He didn't have heavy heavy metals in it. And so he's found this supply and not only from their labs, but he went and gave it to Mike Adams. And Mike Adams ran through his spectrometers. He says totally 100% clean. And so that's a brand new product. It was just issued yesterday. I think first time I've heard him talk about it. So the those kind of products, the the Irish seaweed stuff that's got all 90 minerals in it, n iodine, and, just clothing and knives and all these things that Alex has. Well, y'all have all access to that. It can help us. It helps Alex. It helps us, and it'll help you. So it's really a good deal and just need to get off my rear end and go get that link and Paul put it on the site and we can talk about it. But here, as opposed to me having to go out and hunt up some kind of supplements and stay on top of it, emails and phone calls and shopping carts and all that crap, I'll just tag right on to Alex. She does all that for us. Has excellent products.
Yes.
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Paul sells that very product, and it's the purest he could find.
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Who does Paul? Our Paul?
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Mister Paul Biener. I'm not gonna call him by that? He has a name that you disrespected him yesterday with, but, yes, Paul Biener.
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That's a joke. Come on. Paul, do you have a you have that product? See, I don't even know about that. Is he off mopping or doing something? Probably mopping, but he says that he's not gonna be on that. Well, see, you know, a lot of people have the same product. That's just one of all the stuff he's got. Okay? So anyway, it's just a way that we could help him from some of you that don't, purchase stuff from him that might look into that and do that and and to help us too. So I thought it was a real brilliant move on the part of his people that are working with him now at Arkansas. And, that's the AlexJonesstore.com site. So one of these days we'll be mentioning it more.
If you don't wanna do it, don't do it.
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K? Hey, Roger. Yeah. Another thing that I think, when he brought in Chase Geyser, Chase is incredible social media marketing guru. He was making a whole lot of money, and Alex offered him, like, an entry level pay. And he went ahead and took it. And he said, I think within two months, Alex saw his value and raised him up to where he was at. And I think he's probably still making even more money. Chase only comes on I think once a week, like Sunday evening. I just the guy is super sharp. Cammy. And, so I I have a feeling that Chase is kinda guiding him through some of these, like, affiliate marketing and so forth. And normal affiliate marketing on this on that type of product, you might make two or 3%, but Right. Of of the gross, but not 10%.
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That's just unheard of. It's a I was shocked when I heard him say it. And the other thing I wanted to say about Alex is from my years in broadcasting. K? He is a really good judge of talent. Chase Geyser, Owen, and Harrison. And I I just like all three of them. They're all three different. They got different styles, different deliveries and stuff, but they're he's a real good judge of talent. And he and you can't ignore that because it's right in front of you.
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Quite frankly. I really like Harrison's delivery. It's really He It's smooth. It's on point. He And he has a little levity and, you know, it's just it's not the overtop like, it's not that pro wrestling thing that Alex does constantly. I can only listen to so much of Alex.
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You know? Yeah. Me me too.
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So I just I kinda tune out of Alex Yeah. Just because of that.
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I end up yelling at the monitor, you know. Alex, shut up. But now you can't ignore it because, like, yesterday, he had on, oh, the, the guy that used to work for BlackRock and all that. Now his name escapes me. But, lives out in Hawaii. The real real bright guy. Golly, my I tell you, getting old. I have no idea. Anyway Ed Dowd. Ed Dowd. Thank you, Julian. He is sharp as about attack. Okay? And you don't wanna miss those kind of guests even though Alex interrupts them off the damn time. Gosh. I get aggravated at him. So, anyway, he's built a he has built something. I mean, folks are getting a hundred plus million viewers a day on some of this stuff. Well,
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plus he did a membership. So you can sign up Yes. For $30 a month. That help that's like that's like Walmart Prime, Amazon or Amazon Prime, Walmart Plus, all these companies that have this monthly thing. And so what they do is they apply I forgot how much of that goes towards your next product purchase. So if you purchase a product on a yeah. So you get $10 off on your products, and they got a bunch of other benefits for that. And so now you've got steady income coming in, and you're not just like, oh, gosh. I hope we can make another cycle of of, paying bills and and payroll, you know, and taxes.
So, hey, I wanna circle back to two things, Roger. First off, I do owe Bob an apology. I thought I'd email him back. I did highlight, his Wednesday email, Bob. And I've had you know, I was trying to get around to replying to that. I just didn't get it done. So I've been like I said, I got my hands full. And then secondly, you know, if if you got access to email, you could, you know, type in a little bit about, you know, if you got a computer at least, type in a little bit of what you're wanting to discuss or just ask me your question. I get people that do that all the time. I I may not answer immediately, but I do try to respond to those. But if you're wanting to talk to me on the phone, it just takes up so much of my time.
And and then I get, you know, I get to hear all the story for it. And, I'll give you an example. We have a gentleman who's we have a gentleman who's in the middle of an appeal who got referred to me, and they wanna talk to me. And they wanna tell me their whole entire story. And I'm like, well, how about if you just send me the complaint of the lawsuit that was filed against you? And let me read through that first. And they wouldn't send it. And I said, oh, just please send me I asked twice, and and they refused to send it. I said, well, I can't help you. You know, if you if you can't just, you know, help me out, help you out by sending me one document,
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then I, you know, I'm I can't help you. So Yeah. Y'all gotta remember, please. Mark got sick. When would when I'll get you a second, Merkel. When when'd you get sick? In December? Well, yeah. It was in December, and it let us Oh, hell. I thought we're gonna have to give the guy hospital. I thought we're gonna have to give the guy his last rights, for god's sake. I mean, he's just coming out of that. Okay? So have a little patience. Yes, Marca.
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Hey, Roger. So, Good morning. Jerry was. Hi. Good morning. He went into the hospital, and then he got discharged on Monday. He's doing better. Fantastic. He's asking us to keep him in his prayers.
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Okay. Thank you, Marica, for that update. Yep. Gary and Gina are good friends and Pray for him. Folks, what they've done out there in Flathead County, Montana, they got the biggest group of nationals in the country out there. 50 plus people coming and meeting on Monday nights once a week. No they're nowhere else in the country.
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They didn't even close to that. Yes. So what's the good news? Yep. We need to send them Roger, we need to send them, pray a lot lots of prayers and lots of positive vibes so
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we, you know, gets better. Please, everybody.
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Do that. Keep them in your prayers, Gary and Gina in Kalispell, Montana. Who had an update there with some good news?
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Well, I know Gary and Gina, I guess, for whatever time, you know, they pretty much had to cancel their their regular meetings. But there were some other nationals in the other in that area that I happen to be talking to, and they're gonna pick it up. They just said it's so valuable to get a group together and discuss whatever, you know, is on the table. And, so they're they're going to well, and also you got newcomers. You know, they they reach out to people saying, well, come over here and listen to the presentation and ask your questions, whatever. You know? So they've been a tremendous source for their community for promoting the national citizenship status.
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Yeah. See, the the reason that's so important is because, of what doctor Robert Livingston said years ago, one of the founders of the, League of the South in his speech, and he said, after the Civil War, evidently, county states can no longer secede, but counties can. And so that caught my ear. I got the guy that got me that talk, and he had a relationship with doctor Livingston, even though he was quite elderly at the time, hard of hearing. And he goes, oh, yeah. That. We know so much more since then. It's kind of like what you we'd say around here, you know. But what happened was after the Civil War, they took one county of Virginia and formed West Virginia.
And that still is applicable. And I know that for a fact because here a couple of years ago when they had a Democratic governor up there and he was trying to screw with the guns, and they had a big statewide movement to the state house or his house or something, whole bunch of people showed up with arms. And that night on Tucker Carlson, he had a West Virginia legislator that would as a guest, he said, well, if any of those counties over there in Virginia wanna join us, just contact me. So, evidently, they can still do that unilaterally change states.
So if that's a precedent, Gary's got something that could fill that precedent. Now I believe it has to be go through congress and all the rest of the stuff, but that's the best stronghold we've got, Flathead County, Montana. Yeah. And Gary and Gina have built that. Okay? Yep. So our prayers to you. And, Gary, we love you both. Okay? So thank you, Myrca. Thank you very much. That's my pleasure. You're welcome. Yes. Well, there's Larry. Hey, Larry.
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Hey. Good afternoon. You started the show out with talking about direct taxes and indirect taxes. Correct? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. That's correct. Right. And they're the only two taxes that are constitutional, correct?
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Correct.
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All right. First of all, who was the gentleman in the recording that was placed at the beginning of the show? Buddy,
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Jeff program.
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Hey. I don't know. It was a little excerpt on on x that, Jeff our buddy, Jeff, had sent me this morning.
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I don't know any more than that. Oh, so we don't we don't know what the, what the what it's called or who the person is?
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Well, I I'm I'm sitting Paul, you still got that open? Could you give us any identifying stuff on x there where Larry could go chase it down?
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Let's see.
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It's supposed I mean, was what's what he mentioned, the important points that you wanted to make, or is there a lot more depth in reporting? Well, I think it's a very novel approach on a very contentious
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issue of of being able to go in. The people that were affected by the natural disaster, like in your area, you ought to be all over. The the the Santos on this, they get all the I I assume the property tax they've paid in plus 30% more and, to rebuild their home that was destroyed by the hurricane. I think it's a brilliant idea.
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Okay. So on under direct tax, I was looking that up, right after you had started talking about it. And on this particular website that I was reviewing, and I don't say I necessarily agree with this, because I know you certainly won't, but it says that a direct tax includes income tax, property tax and taxes on assets. And then you said, when you started talking about this, that how can it include property taxes and then you gave a reason and said something about how can the amount has to be even?
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The tax is on the property. It's not on you. A direct tax is on you. They they are called capitation taxes. Go look that up. Capitation taxes, a head tax, and they've got to be equal. That's what the Constitution said. That's why the census one of the reasons the census was started so that should there be a capitation tax, that that everybody would pay the same amount. Now this is a brilliant check and balance that was put into the system by the forefathers. And I and so let's look at it this way. Let's say that congress passes a capitation tax, Larry, and it's $5 ahead. So we all got to go and pony up $5.
Right? It's lawful. It's constitutional. Well, the next year, they come and do another capitation tax, and it's $500. What do you think is gonna happen? Everybody in the country simultaneously is gonna stand up and say, what the hell are you people doing up there in Washington? It's a check and a balance.
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Is the capitation tax the same as the income tax?
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No. Income tax is a progressive income tax. It is on your body. That's the unconstitutionality of the income tax. It's a capitation tax, but it's not apportioned.
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Okay. Is the income tax that's described in the sixteenth amendment the same income tax that the IRS is trying to push on people?
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Yes. That's what they hang their hat on. Go through the Supreme Court and see how how many different things they come up with. They can't even agree on what the frigging income is, Larry. The Supreme Court cannot agree on what the word income is. It's nebulous from the start, my friend. So that's why it's the first plank of the communist manifesto of progressive income tax. First or the second, one of the two,
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because they're not they're using it to
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they're using it to pay off the debt, and they're using it politically. They wanna punish you. They're gonna audit you. They're gonna while they're they're companies that are dumping shit in the waters and everywhere else, they just don't care. They don't even mention it. But, boy, if you're their competition and you're doing it, oh, that's one of the buzzards that's gonna be circling over you. See? It's also political.
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Do you agree with, taxes on assets being direct taxes
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as far as what this website? No. No. Larry. Larry. And the Larry. Their only direct tax is on your head.
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So as far as you know, there are no direct taxes that are in effect right now.
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Well, yeah, the income taxes, it's a direct tax that's extra constitutional because we're in bankruptcy.
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Okay. I thought you said, when you started the show off, that Congress when they do a direct tax, everybody's got to pay the same amount. So this thing that the IRS is trying to push, I mean, it depends your income tax depends on how much you make.
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Yes.
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And what deductions you've got. So it's not the same amount for everyone. It's a different amount.
[01:06:04] Unknown:
Correct. It's not constitutional. It's extra constitutional Under the bankruptcy. But the direct taxes are on the body. Period. They they're not on anything else to my knowledge. The others are exile. There's only two categories. Direct and indirect.
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Okay. So under the indirect, the same website was saying that this would include sales tax, tech size tax, and what they call a value added tax.
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Do you agree with that? Tax. Yeah. That's a VAT tax. That's what Europe uses. I had to deal with it over there when I was visiting, in Germany about eight or nine years ago. And, I bought a bunch of cell phone and some other stuff there inside the Eurozone, and I had to pay their VAT tax. The VAT tax is of do you know what it is? First of all, Larry,
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we have it here. No. I was gonna that's good. I have a chance to look it up.
[01:07:06] Unknown:
Okay. Well, it's a tax that's added at different stages of the manufacturing process. And the problem with it is it's not transparent. All of a sudden, you you here, when we, go out, everything here's got a 12% VAT tax on it. So when I'm gonna go out and meet, Mark, so with some of your fellow Oklahomans here for lunch, that live here. They're up in the mountains for a month, and gonna go meet them for lunch. And when I get this delicious steak and stuff, it'll have a 12% tax on it, plus a 10% service fee. So there's 22% of the bill is gonna be taxes and and tips.
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K? Right.
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Okay. Yeah. There's several people I wanna make sure we get covered with Larry. But that's the big, that's what they were saying about the cars and the taxes in Europe. They charge a 5% tariff twice as much as we charge them, and then they got something, another 19% or more is VAT taxes? Or you can't see where it comes from. All you do is get presented with a tax, a number. Capisce? Larry, are you there? Larry.
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He's he's probably dealing with a customer. Income tax is Saturday.
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I'm I'm here. I I was I was trying to do something.
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Income tax is equal.
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Income tax is a direct tax. That was the big problem with it all along from the from the people that opposed it. It's a direct tax and it's not a portion.
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Right. Well well, it is equal though. The amount, the amount of tax may be different, but the percentage of tax based on your income range, that is equal. There's
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deductions and all kinds of other stuff. So that's not true.
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But everybody has access to those deductions. Not everybody may have Well, not necessarily. Has access to
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Everybody doesn't have their own business in their own home where they can take all the home deductions and stuff. That's not true.
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Yes. But if they did have that, those deductions would be they would have access to them. Yeah. They don't have them, but they have access to them. Therefore, they are the same as IBM. They're the same as the mom and pop store down the block. They're paying the same percentage of tax A waste of percentage of tax as everybody else that makes the same 25 g's a year they make.
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Okay. The in progressive income tax is not equal. Okay? It's not equal. It differs on everybody. Percentages might be in some of this stuff, but it's not equal. And then it's not applied equally either because they have political applications of it. Roger. You know, they went they went and audited Alex. That was part of the harassment of him. And and you know what they found, Paul? IRS stroking him a check for 4 and a half million dollars. He'd overpaid that much. Then, of course, they would have He was trying to say Roger there.
[01:10:22] Unknown:
This is Sketch, and,
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I've come across some information that all Sketch, talk now. You're are you on speaker phone? Sketch, talk right in where we can hear you, please. Okay. Okay. Just a minute.
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Yes.
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Better. Thank you. My inform
[01:10:40] Unknown:
You bet. I'm sorry. It's come to, I think, some of us, the information that our residents is actually categorized as a business. Our homes are a business. So I just wanted to make that point.
[01:10:57] Unknown:
Well, I don't know I don't know about that. I've not heard that before. You know, I hate tax. I've not been out of it. The reason we're here on jurisdiction is because I hate the tax issue, but I learned a lot about it along the way. Okay? We didn't even mention it around here for years. Now we're back talking about it again.
[01:11:16] Unknown:
Well, it was news to me when I heard heard this that your residence is actually the reason they can tax you is because it is actually a business. Stop sketch. Talk right into the microphone. You you I am. I'm doing my best. I'm talking right into the microphone. Okay. That's better. That's better. You just said something.
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Your head, all you have to do is move your head just a little bit and it's not right into the microphone. It's hard hard to understand. Old man like I gotcha. Can you can you repeat that, what you just said a minute ago?
[01:11:48] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. I it is I'm very surprised, but I came in. I think it was from the guy from Florida. I don't know if it's been confirmed or not by anybody else, but when he got his, residence off the tax rolls, He said that his when he went down to the appraiser or the assessor that he confronted them and and realized that his property was actually registered as a business.
[01:12:22] Unknown:
Could be they might be doing that kind of shape. He also to do what he did, you gotta be a citizen of Florida and or a citizen of The United States or something. There was some kind of a requirement that was in there that he didn't understand, but we would. I never heard the interview, but from what you guys tell me about it. So I don't know. Is that Steve Emerson? I know this. Florida. I know this. Residence is a rebuttable presumption. I know that for sure, Sketch. Well, Mark, Mark and Paul both had something to say there.
[01:12:57] Unknown:
Well, I just that I had stepped away for a few minutes, but Steve Emerson is gentleman out of Florida that there's been some interviews on. And he claims that he found in there, I guess, either the constitution or their statutes that says if it's residential property, it cannot be taxed. He claims he went to his county, assessor and and had a sit down with them. And they they kept, like, talking in circles like, no. You know, it's not exempt. The dah dah dah dah. When he started quoting the statutes to them, then they dropped their head and realized he he knew what he was talking about and the assessor said, I'll take care of it. And then he said he kinda sat on pins and needles waiting for the tax bill, the property tax bill to come around that year and it never came to him. And he looked online and it didn't show that he owed anything.
And and so, he turned around. He stayed he he lived in the neighborhood that he grew up in, which is just Right. Kinda unusual. And all of his high school buddies, all his school friends that lived in that area, he helped them get off the tax rolls too according to him. Now so far, nobody's been able to confirm that. You know, you should be able to go to his county and look up his name and see if he's, you know, be able to pay tax or not. So There was some kind of a snag in there. He had
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to be a citizen of The United States or something. There was some conflict when I was told about it that I I didn't hear that. It seemed like it stuck up, but I don't remember. I did I did not hear that. All I heard was it's your residential property. So, like, if it's under your name, it's residential property.
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It's not taxable in Florida according to Steve Emerson.
[01:14:43] Unknown:
Well, Cheryl Would that mean would that mean resident hold on. Ho ho ho. Yes. You may in a second. Residential property means that he's residing on it, doesn't it? Correct. Correct. Well, then he's a citizen of The United States in indirectly.
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Well, I don't think The state wherein you reside.
[01:15:03] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, I'm sure it didn't. I'm sure it didn't. He didn't know about it. They don't know about it. Anyway, I thought that was a conflict to me. Julie, was that you, dear? No. Robbie. Robbie, good morning. Oh, okay. Cheryl. You sound just like her. Go ahead.
[01:15:23] Unknown:
I love you anyhoo, Raj. Cheryl from this call, if anyone recalls, lives there near there and hired him to do something, and it didn't pan out. I don't know if Cheryl is listening today, but, she went through, contacting him and paying him, and it never panned out. So I just wanted to remind you. Okay.
[01:15:48] Unknown:
I I didn't even hear any of the interviews or anything else. And, so,
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okay. I don't I don't know what to say about that, Robbie. Thank you. Same thing with Ron Gibson too. You know, we had a lot of people go through Ron Gibson's materials, and and they're still on the property roles. Daryl Wayne in Alabama, same thing. And Daryl Wayne Sharp. I mean, I I'm sure he followed the book to the t. You know? Without a doubt. He still wasn't successful in getting his property off the tax roll.
[01:16:18] Unknown:
It's, it's very difficult. Okay? And, well, you know, when we first Samuel's the one that brought us Ron Gibson. I had not heard of him before. Chris had Chris had achieved a loyal title, on some land he owned in Arizona. And, he got him to pave the whole road. They had a a some sort of a peeing contest with him, and he won. He got him to pave the whole road out to his property. But, you know, when when when Ron Gibson was coming around, he didn't know anything about the national stuff, which led me to believe if he's had success with that, then by getting someone a loyal title, you also got their freedom.
Because if they were citizens of The United States and you got the loyal title, they shouldn't be able to own property and couldn't unless that freed them somehow through a backdoor. K? That's right. And so I don't know whatever has happened with that. We mentioned it to Ron. I we hadn't had him back on the show, and some people are skeptical about the way he does what he does, and, it's his effectiveness too. So, listen. We've had a brisk range of topics today. Does anybody in the audience got a comment or a question on anything we've discussed to this point?
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Hey, Roger.
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There Joan does.
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Morning, Joan. Yeah. Yeah. You mentioned extra constitutional, several minutes ago.
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Yes. You have a good you have a good designation for extra Well, kinda. I mean, Bob Bob, you're listening. You wanna give Joan your definition of extra constitutional?
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Hey, Bob.
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Bob, you still with us? Hi, Bob. Well, I mean, because of the bankruptcy. I mean, all these things that they've done, all these administrative agencies, all the rest of this stuff, it's passed all the courts since the thirties. Now They had some run ins with it early on, and that was what made, Roosevelt stack the court from six to nine as he couldn't get some of his New Deal projects, through the court from the old minded people that were doing the old system. And so he went and stacked the court, and they got everything through. But all courts have recognized it, so they don't say it's unconstitutional. And it doesn't follow the constitutional, Joan. The constitution like agencies.
Oh, so what is it? It's extra constitutional under the bankruptcy. See, when you go into bankruptcy, there's all new rules. And they're not in a bankruptcy where you have total liquidation and sell everything. They're under reorganization, which means the business keeps going and you it's just in this bankruptcy situation, which changes the rules.
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Okay. Thank you.
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Yeah.
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So, anyone else? Raya?
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Well, I can't comment.
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Hold on, Mark. Let's get Bory here. Hold on, Mark. Hold on. Let's get Bory, and I won't turn to you after that. Hey, Bory. What?
[01:19:40] Unknown:
Good morning. Good morning, Ryan. I have a question, you know, because everybody talking about property taxes, but anybody here send their paperwork to the county telling them that they are exempt from property taxes? No. Because that won't work. Because I did because I did it, and it worked for me. I I know the property taxes. And it's not a house. It's my vehicle, but it's still they want that property tax money. Alright. You know? Well, how well, how That's why I asked anybody here if they did it, you know, because if they haven't do it, they never gonna know because they have to push the envelope. That's like you say.
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That's a different type of tax of of property because you don't register your car on the county tax rolls. You register your house, and you don't do it. They do it for you. And most people, even if they pay for it cash, will go do it, and get the homestead exemption or things like that. But we're talking about real estate, Bori. Okay?
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Not not autos. Alright. Okay. Alright. Thank you. You know, if you don't if you don't try, you're never gonna know.
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You know? Well, yeah. But see, the tax isn't on you being a national or not. The tax is on the property being on the property roles. So it's different. Now, Mark, what were you gonna say?
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Thank you, Reyes.
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Yeah. You're welcome, Bory. Well, just circling back to what's extra constitutional and what's constitutional and extra constitutional, as I kinda look like the extra constitutional is an administrative process that as a US citizen, you're part of.
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Yes. That's what I kinda like. Way to look at it. That's a very good way to look at it. And so we old days have it. But the old days before that, if you had a problem, you went to court. Now you go to your next administrative appeal.
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Right. Right. And if you're a national, you're not subject to that administrative process unless you got a gripe against them. Then it's then it's their process, and they're not after you. But as a national, they don't have lawful authority to be going after you. Correct. Thank you.
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Correct. And it's one of those, in between in between, betwixt, in between things, and I've never thought of it in that respect, Joan, and audience until Bob comes on here one day. And he goes, yeah. You're wrong. You know? Because he likes to come on here and pick nits all the time. You know? And, my gosh, most of the time, he's correct. You know? Here's another one he's he's picked on me, and I'll let y'all be the judge of this. One of the reasons that what we do here is so important to me is that there's only been two times in the history of the planet in organized societies. I'm gonna put that in where this is been, pertain.
The first two hundred years of Rome, under the just Seville, the 12 tablets, and and the first two hundred years of our country. Those are the only two times that I've been able to identify. Well, Bob comes on. He goes, well, that's not true. What about when the Israelites were out in the desert for forty years? I'll let you take that objection on how I
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soil bugs.
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He just likes to pick nits, you know, and and, and and and he's got a point, but organized society, you know, not wandering around in the desert necessarily. And there's probably been some other examples we don't even know about because you never even heard of them before. They were so small and insignificant. But of organized societies, there's only been two times in the history of our planet, folks, where people have what we have. Now I don't know. That may not be important to you, but it sure seems like it ought to be important to me.
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So Yeah. May I comment?
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Yeah. Just a second. Let me button that up. So when people ask you, well, what difference does it make? Maybe that's an answer for them. Yes. Comment.
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I was just George, Idaho. I was just gonna ask, if, Mark, you're gonna have, be addressing usufruct in the context of trust. Boy, in that I just You know, I saw that
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I just saw that word. Somebody sent me a quote from Sam Adams about property needs to be usufruct. And and I knew I'd seen the word before, but I damn sure didn't know what it meant. And I had to go back and research it a little bit. What do you think, Mark? I've never heard of it. No. You never heard of use of fracked? No. Basically means that property ought to be open to the common usage It's about the about the best I could take out of it. What what's your read on use of fraud, George?
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It says here the right to have to be use of an advantage of another's property short of the destruction or waste of its substance. Right.
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Right. Yeah. So they're kind of, you know, before national status, they're using you as, you know, part of their trust. And then, the idea is can you can you, put the Eusifruct back to them, return it to them in law. And one of the things that Jefferson spoke about if you Googled Jefferson letter to Madison, I believe he mentions about Eusifruct and how banking would take over. Everybody focus on that famous quote, you know, we'll wake up homeless on the on the land that our fathers conquered, but usufruct really gets into the mathematics of it.
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Okay. Well, it's a unusual word. That's for sure. You wanna read that definition again to the audience, Mark, please?
[01:25:37] Unknown:
Yeah. It says, oh, let's see. This is from Oxford dictionary. The right to enjoy the use and advantages of another's property short of the destruction or waste of its substance. And then further down, I have what is an example of the use of use of rights. And so it gives an example. An owner of a small business may become ill and grant the right of use of to an individual to run their business.
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The I'm on a quest to open
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the use of factory. This has the right to operate the business and gain income from it, but does not have the right, for example, to tear down the business and replace it with sell.
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Use of fraud. Boy, that's an unusual word.
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It is. So it appears to be a right that's granted by the property owner to somebody else. They can take they can use and and and enjoy the advantages of somebody else's property, but they can't destroy it or waste it. Just like I read in that definite or that example Yeah. About the owner saying, you can run my business because I'm sick and I grant you the right to use and advantages of the property. Mhmm. But you don't have a right to destroy my business or sell it or replace or whatever. So that's Okay. What about if I've got a what about if I've got a beautiful pond on my land
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and you come over and swim in it? Do I have to put up no trespassing signs to stop you from use of fraud?
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That when yeah. It's a it's I don't I don't take it as use of product right is is granted to everybody. Now the only time if that pond was a public watershed that was paid for the construction of it was paid for by the state, then, yes, you have use of rep rights to it. I know that first time. Because public funds went to establish it. Right. Right. But if that was a private pawn, then, no, you don't have a right to just go jump in there and Okay. So so use does use of frack
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require permission or direction or not? That's Well I'm a little unclear on that. Can I just Well go exercise a piece of product somewhere?
[01:28:01] Unknown:
Yeah. Maybe George has some different
[01:28:04] Unknown:
George, what's what how do you, how do you define define this, my friend?
[01:28:09] Unknown:
Yeah, what I've learned so far, there's implied trust and there's expressed trust. And unless you express back that you you don't want your body or your labor Uh-huh. Used, you know, as security or, you know, hypothecated and all that jazz, that they're just gonna keep going because they think you're a minor still. So that's what I've learned so far. It's really interesting. I'm not the I'm not the, you know, the Tompkins law dictionary on it.
[01:28:34] Unknown:
Okay. Let me ask you. Are you what trust are you talking about? Are you talking about this Kvesta trust thing that I hear thrown around?
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It could be related to that as well. Yeah. And, how they created like, my the name didn't come out of my mom. I came out of my mom. You know, that kind of idea. They created something later and, certified it and they're I don't know how they're using it, but, you know, I think it I think it deserves an investigation. Here's my problem with that
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Kvesta whatever it is trust. I've asked this question. Nobody's ever answered it. Can you tell tell me and show me the the connection between that trust and the fourteenth amendment?
[01:29:18] Unknown:
I don't I yeah. I don't know. Because otherwise, I don't think it has any You can't question. You see You can't question the public debt. And if you're if you're been you know? I think that's part of it. The fourth section of of the fourteenth.
[01:29:31] Unknown:
Well yeah. But in that for for for federal citizens and not us, we could question the son of a bitch. The four that's for the fourteenth amendment citizens.
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And the birth certificate?
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No. In the fourteenth amendment. You can't question the public debt, etcetera, etcetera. Oh. Because they knew what they were gonna do in the future. Yeah. That's all for federal citizens. That doesn't pertain to us. I don't believe George. Right. The thirteenth amendment. I'll get you in a second. I think that's Dwayne. Yeah. Dwayne, what you got? It is. I went to Investopedia
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to look it up because I hadn't looked at this in years, and because since everything is commercial. The use of product combines two property rights is where it comes from, it's two different words, two different concepts. But use of product is usually conferred for a limited time, it has to be contractually entered into and in use of product a person or group has a right to use property of another and they do not own it but have contractually sanctioned interest in it. There are two types of use of fraud, a perfect and imperfect. In the perfect use of fraud it says the use of refractory can use the property and comp and can profit from it but cannot change it in a substantial way.
Okay. In the imperfect and in the imperfect, they actually can change it or alter it to a certain level. But and then when the use of factory contract ends, the improvements revert back to the original owner of the property.
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Okay. I wanna ask the audience. I gotta where else where else on the radio dial can you find out about use of refractory contracts? Just asking. Or will you ever even hear anybody mention that word? So What I think I understand. Georgia Dwayne.
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That was one There was one other thing I wanted to bring up from earlier.
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Yeah. I think I got a letter too. Mhmm.
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It's in the Investopedia since everything so much of everything is commercial. That's why I went to Yeah.
[01:31:40] Unknown:
I'll I'll let Mark inject something here. You said something very important. You're saying all property is commercial. That's not true. If if I own a residential much is commercial.
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I said so much is commercial. Not all. Okay. Go ahead. Okay.
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But but again, on that definition where I believe that second one, imperfect Yeah. You own private property, and nobody has a right just to to take advantage of your your personal property or private property. So that use of fraud doesn't really apply to my to my living where I live in my home, like my domicile in my property. Now public might be a little different, you know, or commercial business, there might be a little difference. But when you say a right, usufruct right, somebody has to okay that. Whoever owns that property has to grant you What? That right. It's what he said. Contractually sanctioned interest and
[01:32:41] Unknown:
He said it had to be contractually, established. So you that that means a contract meeting of the minds and any deviations, and you can do so much. You can tear down that wall from 12 feet to 10 feet.
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Okay? Can I can I explain something? Oh, hold. Is that Paul?
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Yeah. Can I explain something? Everything we do has to do with user frauds. Do you remember Charlie? Charlie? Charlene? Our, our sweetie from, Colorado? She was talking about user fraud two years ago and it has to do with the fact that the the federal government, if you're a fourteenth amendment citizen, they consider you to be in interstate commerce. Yeah. And what was it? What was it that Mark said? It was, a right to property or a specific use with limitation. Oh, jeez. Doesn't that sound like the laws of the city? Well, that's what Doesn't that sound like civil rights? No. But this is coming out of common law.
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Eusufruct is a common law doctrine.
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Yeah. And that's what Dwayne said. It requires one type, and there's two types. Yes, Dwayne. A little a little further down in the, explanation here, it says use usufruct is only recognized in a few jurisdictions in North Carolina and North America such as Louisiana.
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Yeah. Oh. And that's Napoleonic
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code. So Oh, yes. It sure is.
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So I thought it was a
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common law doctrine or else Samuel, Sam Adams wouldn't have used it in that quote pertaining to property. I wouldn't have thought.
[01:34:25] Unknown:
Could have been, but right now, it it may have been back then. I don't you know, I can't say I've not like I said, I haven't looked at this in a long, long time, but since I was doing my work in Seattle Twenty Years ago. So but would that be so one other thing. Go ahead.
[01:34:40] Unknown:
No. I was just gonna say to Paul, I think I vaguely remember her bringing that up, and we just rolled on with the conversation, didn't stop and dwell on it. But it's a very interesting word. It's popped up here lately in another area for me, and then you guys, George brings it up today. Go on, Dwayne.
[01:34:58] Unknown:
The earlier this week, I was listening to a guy named Ed Dowd, and this is going to what you were talking That guy that's the one I was talking about. It was on Alex yesterday. Ed Dowd. He's a sharp cookie. Was he? He is he was on, Greg Connor last week. And, one of the he's written this this huge report for, like, it's a thousand dollar it's thousand euros, thousand 50 in USD. But he's done his 2025 financial state of the globe marketplace, if you would. And he was talking about one of the factors that he believes is that he and his guys believe are going to impact the residential real estate market and probably this includes small apartment buildings, maybe even bigger apartment, but ten, twelve, 15, 20 units versus two to four units and houses is that with all the money that the Biden regime pumped into the illegals and all the money and for food and housing and what have you, he believes a lot of that went to also inflate the value of housing around the country. And he thinks that that's going to have an impact now that that money stopped flowing on the value of real estate.
And he was specifically talking about residential real estate, which typically includes up to two to four units of apartments. So with that being said, that just adds to your property taxes and the and the valuation, drops that is actually in process right now.
[01:36:32] Unknown:
So Yeah. On top of mortgage rates I'm on top of mortgage rates being extremely high, and Trump's kind of pressured them to drop them, and they're resisting at this point, but they may anyway. So, yeah, you know, we got some really big e on top of them trying to potentially crash the economy and blame Trump. And now all these moves that Trump is doing is putting so much spirit and enthusiasm into the future in the markets. It's just turning things around, and it's short cheating the enemies in their shorts because of the enthusiasm pumping everything up.
He's I'm sorry, folks. Trump's doing one hell of a job, man. Him and his cadre. I I don't know if y'all saw the, the energy board yesterday make the announcement on how they're gonna start lower, and they've got this board. It's all the different cabinet agencies, that per EPA and several others, about seven guys up there with him in the Oval Office. And he started introducing all of them and given their backgrounds. Oh, man. The this guy is sharp, folks. And and but I bring all those things down and to help bring the rates down along with the house housing prices where people can can afford them again because it's all in a bubble is to get this energy going right there. And that's gonna drop a lot of things and help curb some of this inflation, it would appear. Well,
[01:38:02] Unknown:
Right. Where it stays, but the week closed to the West Texas the futures West Texas crude, market yesterday. It's, like, $70 and it which has dropped $70 a barrel and some change, which dropped at about $4 a barrel for the week. So hope that that had an impact on it. Don't know yet. Uh-huh.
[01:38:21] Unknown:
It dropped. Well So alright.
[01:38:24] Unknown:
Y'all have a good one. I've I've got a few things to do. Thank you. Alright, Dwayne. Always a pleasure to hear that New Orleans drawl. Who else is trying to has started around here. Yeah. Stay away from downtown.
[01:38:40] Unknown:
Okay. Who was trying to say something? That was sketch. Can you hear me? Sketch, Betty. Well, I can hear you. Yeah.
[01:38:48] Unknown:
Okay. Good. So I want I want I wanna have a conversation with you and doodle this one out. You asked for a connection between the Cascivi Trust and the fourteenth amendment. Is that correct? Yes. Well I've never seen anything about that. Okay. Well help me out. So let's work I don't know if I can. What? I don't know too much about this. Well maybe somebody else can so let's just wait for me to talk. Okay? What is a CESTIVI trust? Let's establish that first and then I will make I think I can make the connection. Do you know what a CESTIVI trust is?
[01:39:31] Unknown:
I have no it's some trust out of England that's from the fifteen hundreds or something. That's about all I've ever heard.
[01:39:39] Unknown:
Okay. Oh, let let's go with that. If anybody has a good definition, I'll wait for the answer. Otherwise Anybody in the audience know about this? Give me a second.
[01:39:50] Unknown:
Pardon me? Second. Give me a second.
[01:39:53] Unknown:
Okay. Hold on. Mark, I'm I'm giving you a second.
[01:39:57] Unknown:
Just don't go to Wikipedia. Okay? He's getting the he's getting the hamster up to full speed here.
[01:40:03] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. Yes. Can I answer?
[01:40:06] Unknown:
Well, it says, sure. Term.
[01:40:08] Unknown:
Reverse Alright. Let the lady go. Hold hold on. You
[01:40:12] Unknown:
alright. Mark was already talking. Julie's got the information. Do you wanna let Julie? Come on. Tell us about it.
[01:40:19] Unknown:
Well, I I heard it was a trust that was created in the nineteen thirties to manage the assets belonging to We The People, American citizens who lost our collateral in the bankruptcy of The United States. I don't know if I'm right about that or not. I'll yield.
[01:40:35] Unknown:
Let's go to Mark.
[01:40:37] Unknown:
Well, I've got it comes from a French phrase that means he who lives. It refers to the beneficiary of a trust or an insurance policy. Further, no legal term that refers to the beneficiary of a trust. The beneficiary has an equitable interest in the trust property while the trustee holds the legal type. And that's a typical trust arrangement.
[01:41:05] Unknown:
Yeah. That's nothing new. I thought I'm talking about some kind of specific trust out of England that's called the k whatever, c u e something something that that that that that judge Anna of the Superior People's Court keeps talking about and tagging things to. How is that connected to the fourteenth amendment?
[01:41:26] Unknown:
Okay. I'll try and do that with what definition we do have now. Okay? Now it is the premise that, under the fourteenth amendment, all our taxes are paid to a bondholder. Right?
[01:41:44] Unknown:
To my to my understanding, yes.
[01:41:47] Unknown:
Okay. So what I think is happening, I wanna doodle this out. I don't know, but what I think is happening is there was a trust set up at that time for all the fourteenth amendment citizens even though, you know, the citizens live under the fourteenth amendment, let's say. There was a trust set up.
[01:42:11] Unknown:
Yeah.
[01:42:12] Unknown:
And that is the connection.
[01:42:14] Unknown:
You see that? Well, alright. So how does it connect? Where does it go? Where when you file your affidavit, how does it have anything to do with that? It doesn't. Well,
[01:42:25] Unknown:
I think you get out of having to be able mandatorily paying into that bond through the taxes.
[01:42:35] Unknown:
It's not a bond. It's a bunch of bonds. It's not a bond,
[01:42:40] Unknown:
Sketch. It's a bunch of Every every name has a bond. Right? Oh, hold on. Hold on. We're not looking at this properly.
[01:42:47] Unknown:
Okay. Because I can noodle it out.
[01:42:49] Unknown:
Okay. When you're talking about a bond, as Roger's saying, there's multiple bonds that The United States sells. But they're using the birth certificate as a flow of capital to pay the interest and pay off those bonds that they're selling. So we are the collateral when we're tied to that birth certificate. Is that correct, Roger? Would you agree with that? Yes. And they're United States,
[01:43:17] Unknown:
bonds. They're not Cave Estate Trust bonds.
[01:43:20] Unknown:
No. No. But the the the the k save the trust is where we're saying we have a an interest and in the birth certificate that's being used as collateral for these bonds. That's the way I take it. Some people say our birth certificate is a bond. I don't know. I know it's printed on bond paper, but that doesn't necessarily mean that
[01:43:50] Unknown:
it's a It's collate it's collate it's collateral for a bond.
[01:43:54] Unknown:
But but it is some type of financial instrument. And and they're holding you and I as the as the, responsible party Well for what's for for whatever they're trying to to, extract money from it. Because as you were born
[01:44:14] Unknown:
as you were born, before the birth certificate was generated, you were already an object to their property rights because of the way it was set up. Okay? All the birth certificate does is confirm that. And as evidenced by the fact that when the Bureau of Vital Statistics prints it, it is then put into a bank safe with armed guards twenty four hours a day, seven days a week. I have a question. Okay. Where's the Cave Estate Trust coming in? I mean, this is the process. We know it. Where does that come into the picture? See, I I I just think that's more patriot crap because they don't we've got the answer they're looking coming up with stuff like this that they conjure up and connect dots because they think it gives them the picture of how does that man over there get to make man made laws and enforce them on me.
[01:45:10] Unknown:
That's the question. I have a question. Can a trust a a trust set up by the international bankers that I guess our birth certificates were set up by them through the bankruptcy. Can they encompass all The US citizens under one trust?
[01:45:36] Unknown:
No. I don't think so, but the birth certificates were originated on the federal level. See what we were talking about that one day here on the show, and Lisa was doing some research. We hadn't heard from her lately on the side, and she came back. And couple of the states had birth certificates all the way back into the middle of the eighteen hundreds. But they weren't using them in the same capacity that the feds were. They started that in nineteen twenty one, twenty two In the middle of the first depression, they passed that legislation.
They never had them on the federal level before. So they were already anticipating what they were gonna do twelve years later in using those twelve years of birth certificates as collateral for the new bonds after they bankrupted The United States Of America bonds.
[01:46:31] Unknown:
Question. Can you put bonds in a trust?
[01:46:37] Unknown:
I'm sure you can. Absolutely.
[01:46:40] Unknown:
Well, I think there is your connection, Roger, that you were asking for.
[01:46:45] Unknown:
No. No. I think that's fair. Bonds. Hold on. Hold on, Sketch. You got a real fertile what if thing here going on. Okay? What? The bonds are owned by companies, not one big trust. They're owned by investment companies, insurance companies, wealthy investors, other countries, all kinds of stuff. They're not all dumped in one big trust.
[01:47:11] Unknown:
May I?
[01:47:12] Unknown:
Yes, ma'am.
[01:47:14] Unknown:
Hi. It's me, Julie. Where's the where's the evidence for that? Is it That's where the bond
[01:47:19] Unknown:
auctions are the evidence of that. Primary bond dealers that sign on to the Federal Reserve like the first two floors of 911,
[01:47:30] Unknown:
and other Do you remember how Disney bought all that? Do you remember how Disney bought all that land in Florida using shell companies and identities? I mean Well, I heard about it. I yeah. Yeah.
[01:47:41] Unknown:
So what's that have to do with what we're talking about? They they have bond auctions. People from all over the world go to open up bond auctions and buy them. They're not from some trust.
[01:47:52] Unknown:
Guys, I think The United States is probably a trust. Government.
[01:47:57] Unknown:
The US government. No. The United States is a corporation.
[01:48:00] Unknown:
Yeah. You're I think I think people are You guys are way off in the weeds here. Okay.
[01:48:06] Unknown:
Julie? Government.
[01:48:08] Unknown:
Yeah. Government sells US bonds on the open market.
[01:48:13] Unknown:
Go ahead. I'm just I'm just asking a question because I don't know the answer to this. Is it possible that the birth certificate is an unrevealed trust intimate instrument and that that there was a bond set on each birth certificate at live birth and then the I it's Why were bundled together?
[01:48:36] Unknown:
What what makes any difference with me filing my affidavit and getting out of that with all this complicated shit that y'all are bringing forward? See, I work to make this simple. You guys have got this so far off in the weeds on what ifs. I can't
[01:48:53] Unknown:
my question was in related to the PMA Prostinocidal address, Eustafrock, which I think is at Barnes and and can be, very useful to National Debt. Is this your George, is this you? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was I was trying to make it,
[01:49:08] Unknown:
pertinent to the PMA. That. Please repeat that and talk just a little bit slower. Okay?
[01:49:15] Unknown:
It was my question was not to, dis national status, it was to basically say in the context of PMA, what is the will the trust address the use of product question that goes back sounds like to the fourteenth amendment back to the Sesame Trust, back to the name that got created twelve days or whatever after our birth and, you know, tied back to who knows what trust that have existed since, like, serfdom. You know?
[01:49:46] Unknown:
Well well, actually If if you're asking about the private membership association that that I'm gonna be holding, classes with, talking about trust, no. This is a express private trust. And it does not incorporate anything to do with use of fraud. Because it it has nothing to do with it. They're two totally different things.
[01:50:10] Unknown:
Great. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. Wow.
[01:50:14] Unknown:
Roger Roger? The trust I'm talking about is a private trust that's designed to hold property for estate planning.
[01:50:23] Unknown:
I I want somebody protection. Somebody, if you're gonna bring up this damn trust, you bring me evidence that it exists before we go off in the weeds 10 miles talking about it.
[01:50:36] Unknown:
Roger, don't you always say that there are no stupid questions?
[01:50:42] Unknown:
Well, I do.
[01:50:44] Unknown:
It Okay. So I listen, Roger. I was only asking questions.
[01:50:49] Unknown:
Now I have another question for you. I will but I have another question for you. Hold on. Can somebody please bring me the documentation of an existence of this entity?
[01:51:01] Unknown:
Well, I think, Mark can say it doesn't exist because he looked it up.
[01:51:07] Unknown:
That was a general trust he's talking about and defining. It It wasn't a specific trust that all you people want a don't wanna bring
[01:51:18] Unknown:
Didn't Mark just look up what a I asked I asked a simple question. What did you look up, Mark? A a custody trust, and he found it.
[01:51:30] Unknown:
Okay. Read a definition, but it wasn't of some specific trust. It sounded very general to me. Mark, what did you read? Mark, are you there?
[01:51:41] Unknown:
I remember.
[01:51:43] Unknown:
Oh, boy. Okay. Go, Paul.
[01:51:45] Unknown:
Apologize. I had to
[01:51:48] Unknown:
He looked up the definition of the Sysdig AV trust. Yeah. The Sysdig AV trust had a definition, and he read it. But that definition was very similar in form and function to all trusts because it behaves the same way. Okay. Is that right, Mark? No.
[01:52:05] Unknown:
That's correct. Let me read what one of the definitions I was looking at. A legal term that refers to the beneficiary of a trust. The beneficiary has an equitable interest in the trust property, while the trustee holds the legal title. Now when when we say the trustee holds the legal title, it doesn't mean he owns the property. It's just he has access to the title so that when the trust is executed he can transfer those titles as the trustee. Think about it. Generally speaking, in the type of trust I'm talking about, it's for estate planning purposes. The people who create the trust eventually are going to pass away.
When they pass away that usually triggers, the action in the trust where the trustee now steps in as the trustee and signs legal title over to the prior to the beneficiaries. He's got to disperse the property that's withheld in the trust according to the trust documents. Now, that's very basic what I gave you. There can be other, you know, options in that, but that like like Paul said, this is pretty much just standard trust, language. Let me read it again. A legal term that refers to the beneficiary of the trust, that's usually heirs of an estate for for the purposes of of the type of trust I'm talking about.
The beneficiary has an equitable interest in the trust property. Well, if if, if I'm if I've got two beneficiaries, then, you know, one of them may have 50% and the other one might have a 50% interest in that trust property if it's equally divided in the in the name of the trust. In other words, if the trust instructions say, you know, both beneficiaries get half, then we both have, you know, an equitable interest in that property. Now maybe I only have 30% and they gave, somebody else 70%. They can do that, but we still have an equitable interest in the trust property. And the trustee holds the legal title, and you can even say possession, if you will, to that property so that when that day comes, that the trust document is to be executed and the and the property to be distributed, the trustee signs off on all that.
Okay.
[01:54:32] Unknown:
Okay. Alright? That makes sense. He's talking about sketch. Hold on. Yeah. He's talking about and defining a type of trust. You're referring to a specific trust.
[01:54:47] Unknown:
When I say custody, I I'm talking about specific.
[01:54:51] Unknown:
Is that what you're saying? Well, yeah. It's a trust. It's relating that everything involved with the fourteenth amendment's going into a trust. What's the name of it? I thought it was a Cave Esta trust. I didn't know they're talking about a type of trust, and I think what somebody is doesn't understand what's going on, reads this definition, and goes, god, that's gotta be what they're doing to us. I'm one of those. And then they're spreading it all over, and we're having a ten, fifteen minute discussion on a bunch of crap.
[01:55:24] Unknown:
Right. And we've had this conversation before. Right? So let's let's get to the bottom of it, and and we can clear it and we can answer it with one or two sentences and never cover it again. So I have a question. Can you put warehouse receipts in a trust?
[01:55:44] Unknown:
If I I if you have a trust that's designed for that, yeah. Okay. You put all kinds of things. I I just wanted to make some more money. After. Hold on. Hold on. You can put you can put a warehouse receipt is is a type of property that we use. So financial instrument. Property. It is property. Right. So as Rogers talked about, you know, instead of carrying around a a bale of cotton on your back, you can carry around the paper and say, hey, I've got a hundred pounds of cotton and I'll sell it to you for this and here's a warehouse receipt. You can go to the warehouse and pick up your hundred pounds of cotton. Right. Take this receipt. Go pick up your hundred pounds of cotton.
[01:56:25] Unknown:
Right. And the the patriot theory is that it's controlled by England. Okay? And I just have one last last point to make. I don't know if you know this, Roger, but the queen, I can give you the link. It's from the, the parliament of, it's through the English parliament that the queen amended our Social Security. Would you believe that I told you that? I would not believe it at all. It for for what? It it's from the very,
[01:57:03] Unknown:
website. Amend amended it for what? To do what?
[01:57:09] Unknown:
Amended it. Let's read it. We'll find out what what it did.
[01:57:14] Unknown:
But I can get I can get you that. When you come back with some Sterling book report sketch. My question to you is what effect does that have on you filing an affidavit and them recognizing it?
[01:57:28] Unknown:
Yes. No. I I was trying to answer the question about the fourteenth amendment, the connection.
[01:57:34] Unknown:
Well, well, that's just slavery. That's what you file an amendment. You have to to get out of. Trying to make it. I was trying to doodle it out so we can make that connection. That's all. What I don't see this connection. Bringing me proof of a trust that all this activity revolves around. We got a type of trust that they refer to, but not a specific one.
[01:57:57] Unknown:
Okay. That's fine. I'm ready to lay my body down.
[01:58:01] Unknown:
Me too.
[01:58:04] Unknown:
I I get so aggravated at how the water has been muddied by people like Judge Anna Von Reitz.
[01:58:13] Unknown:
Well, we got people that are still chasing they're still chasing the Patriot mythology. You know?
[01:58:20] Unknown:
Still chasing it. So are you saying that I'm chasing it by asking a question mark?
[01:58:26] Unknown:
Well, no. I'm saying that the reason is even being brought up and discussed. Bring us some proof. Show me the trust. Give me some definition. He's trying to get to that. You don't let him face the cock. Well, you guys can get to it after the show. I I think it's a bunch of patriot mythology, and I don't think it has any bearing at all on what we do here
[01:58:54] Unknown:
at all. I have one last I have one last question for you, Roger, after the show's over.
[01:59:00] Unknown:
Well, the show's over, and I'm going to lunch. I got a lunch scheduled. Well, I have one last question. Do you have time for me, Roger, or are you just gonna shine me on? Give me the question, and I'll tell you.
[01:59:11] Unknown:
What do you how do you feel about people coming on this show and disrespecting and interrupting you like what happened yesterday when you've told them four or five times never to come back here, and he keeps coming back and he interrupts you, and you let him talk.
[01:59:29] Unknown:
What do you feel about what he like that? It depends on it depends on my mood and what he brings to the table with the interruption. How about that?
[01:59:37] Unknown:
Okay. So I can just interrupt you like he does?
[01:59:41] Unknown:
You don't mind? You do you do it all the time.
[01:59:45] Unknown:
May I, Roger? I say Roger before
[01:59:49] Unknown:
I interrupt you, Roger. I don't just come in and start talking and not stop and pause to
[01:59:56] Unknown:
let you recognize me. Alright. Listen. I do the best I can. I try and educate you. We got get off into shit like this we've been in in the last ten minutes. I'm a go take a weekend. Female, what did you have to ask, please?
[02:00:10] Unknown:
Yes, Roger. I think something was overlooked about what Farris said yesterday, and I've I'm still in shock over it. I don't think you heard it. What he said was, somebody said something about a match, and he said, the last time last time I had a match was at the crucifixion, and nobody commented on it. And I'm done with that ass.
[02:00:40] Unknown:
I wanted to. Let me let you know I wanted to comment, and I'm sorry Roger didn't comment on it. I didn't hear it. I didn't get it. He missed it. I know he missed it. I didn't I don't do this two hours a day for free to get in a bunch of dissension with people. Okay? Period.
[02:00:59] Unknown:
I try and educate you. Cannot be overlooked.
[02:01:03] Unknown:
Fucking world. Okay?
[02:01:06] Unknown:
Okay, Roger. When I when I'm told that, I'm bringing up Patriot Mythology trying to get to the bottom of this so we don't have to cover it anymore, and I have a legitimate question,
[02:01:19] Unknown:
You know? It's I asked you, Stitch. I asked you where what trust give me some kind of foundation that's real instead of off in the weeds on what if speculation. And you didn't do it.
[02:01:35] Unknown:
I asked for your help to noodle it out because I needed some help. And, obviously, I should go somewhere else and try and get some help understanding.
[02:01:45] Unknown:
Yeah. You yeah. If you try and ask for the ball judge Anna, Sketch, She probably has an answer. I don't. I'll see y'all then.
[02:01:54] Unknown:
I call bye, Roger. Have a good lunch. I just call it Patriot Mythology because this is typically what people are chasing after and usually looking for money under the golden rainbow.
[02:02:07] Unknown:
So that's what I'm referring to. I'm not I'm not looking for money. I'm looking for info to help me understand this stuff. And, you know, Roger comes on I come on and ask questions. He said, there's no dumb questions. And I ask a question, and here comes the, oh, this is patriot mythology. And I I find I find it disingenuous to have an open conversation.
[02:02:30] Unknown:
You know? How does that apply? Mistake.
[02:02:33] Unknown:
While you put in the downhole in your life, you already got your affidavit with it.
[02:02:41] Unknown:
Hey, Corey. You know what I mean? That's what Corey.
[02:02:44] Unknown:
Corey, you sound like I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I was saying that what difference that made, we already got the affidavit with this the state department. We out of the system. We don't have to worry about none of that shit.
[02:02:58] Unknown:
Yeah. I I don't know. Sketch, what's what was the purpose of your question? I mean, I don't I don't understand what why
[02:03:07] Unknown:
why you're asking for not bring I don't think I brought up the subject of custody trust. Okay? Okay. Somebody else did. Okay? So I was trying to clear it up so we don't have to deal with it anymore. And I was just trying to noodle it out instead of calling names.
[02:03:25] Unknown:
You know. I I think I didn't understand where you were coming from. You know, it's it's it I don't know.
[02:03:33] Unknown:
Well, Mark, I'm not here for money. Okay? Get that through your head. And neither am I trying to promote Anna. Okay?
[02:03:41] Unknown:
I know. I didn't take it that way at all. I mean, I'm just saying that that I don't understand the the angle of your question as it ties to that trust. And and I understand you having the questions, but I just don't see the connection.
[02:04:00] Unknown:
Well, that's what I was trying to noodle out, is there? Okay. I don't see what saying there is or isn't. Yeah. But there might be because I do know that you can go, like, to the Federal Register of Great Britain. Okay? And the the queen amended Social Security. Now I don't know if it it it's from their website. Right? Okay. I don't know if it's a fake website or not, but I did go to UK's federal register and punched in. I'll give you the the the the, you can search it up yourself. It's the act of just a moment. I have it here if you wanna wait on, and I'll yield for anybody, and I'll put it in the private chat just for you.
[02:04:47] Unknown:
Sure. While while you're looking while you're looking that up, let me comment. The Social Security is not just a United States program. It's global. So if the queen amended something to do with Social Security, it may be just to do with The UK and not The United States. Okay. There are multiple countries that just I understand that. I might be misunderstanding
[02:05:12] Unknown:
it. I agree. No worries. Here is here is a, queen amending something in the Social Security Administration of the United States. Okay? That's what I'm saying. I might be mistaken, but I'm gonna give you the link. Okay. In the private chat, and I'll say it on online here once I find it won't take on at all. No problem, Sketch.
[02:05:39] Unknown:
And again, I don't know what what authority these other countries have if they're participating in the Social Security system. And and again, I could be wrong. I'm just parroting what a very smart actual law professor talked about back in 02/2002 about the Social Security system, and he acted like it was really a a private type of system that the government is paying into. And these other countries are are paying into it as well if they wanna put their citizens into that system. So, you know, maybe maybe, there is legitimacy to the queen signing off on that. But off the top of my head, you know, it sounds out in my field, so I start thinking about oh, okay. It's very
[02:06:29] Unknown:
it's very short and very simple. Go ahead. You go on to, I would say, Yandex or Google or any other search engine and you punch in order 1778Of1997. That is order, capital o on the order, 1778Of1997, and you will get a UK, parliament, website somewhere down the page. Okay. And I and I stand corrected if I'm mistaken, but from my reading of it, it was the queen that amended the Social Security Administration in The United States.
[02:07:21] Unknown:
Not I have a question.
[02:07:23] Unknown:
Yeah. Go ahead, please. I yield. I'm done.
[02:07:27] Unknown:
Well, I have a question. You know, we've got a number of entities. You know, there's, we have Social Security, but we really don't know who owns it or who's behind it. We know it's a global thing. But then we also know that everything that we own or register or whatever, ownership is transferred over to what we perceive to be the local government or the the local authority. But maybe it's not. Maybe it's actually transferred much higher up the food chain. And wouldn't it be interesting if as part of the Social Security Administration, part of the rule of having a Social Security number means that we must transfer our property over to the same entity that may own the Social Security Administration.
You know, they give us our Social Security, but, you know, Allegiant Protection for Allegiance, Allegiance for Protection. If you receive the benefit, you owe the duty. I think we need to figure out who owns both of them, where the ultimate registrations go, and who actually started the Social Security Administration and not just The United States flavor of it because it is a global thing. Maybe it's the Bank of International Settlements. Don't know.
[02:08:50] Unknown:
And I wanted to apologize and thank whoever mentioned the match comment yesterday. I did not hear it because I hung up after the match That was Rodney. He said.
[02:09:02] Unknown:
Yes. That was Rodney, and I believe I can I can paraphrase what he said? He said, do you have a match? And you said, no. And he said, well, I haven't had a match since they hung him on a cross.
[02:09:18] Unknown:
Yes. And I apologize for my emotion now, emotions today. But to be to say that I have a fertile mind and that we shouldn't discuss it, kinda demeans me. And, I don't I I I respect Roger, but I don't I think it should be mutual. Sketchup.
[02:09:43] Unknown:
May I
[02:09:44] Unknown:
Go ahead.
[02:09:46] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. I was just gonna say that, your account is set up by your birth certificate, and it's on file at 55. And the name of the account is your all capital letter name on your birth certificate, and the account number is your Social Security number. And there was a act in 1921 called the Federal Shepherd Towner Maternity Act, which created this birth registration, and, it was known as the maternity act. So, by you.
[02:10:19] Unknown:
May I, Lady Linda Louise? May I?
[02:10:23] Unknown:
Yeah. Lizzie, your door is open.
[02:10:26] Unknown:
Scratch. I just want to, let you know that, I, for one, get can understand your frustration. I want to see if I can explain it to you. Sef decay, like Mark said, means he who lives. Now the definition of a Sef decay is beneficiaries. So you can use assessor k or you can use the English word beneficiaries. Okay. That's number one. Number two, you were asking about the warehouse receipt. Our birth certificate is a warehouse receipt. We know that the fourteenth amendment federal citizen is the collateral to the bonds that are created and bought by bondholders.
And if there's not enough taxes coming into this United States government, then the Federal Reserve makes up the difference because they don't want people to realize that there is a problem on the with the bond market. And, the other point is the Social Security card. When you look at the back of it, it says it belongs to the Social Security Administration, and we have use of that SS number. So whatever amendments were made, whatever that has to do with anything, if we put into that system, which we most of us did because we were ignorant at the time and we didn't know what this whole scheme was all about, we were, at a certain age entitled to get the investment, so to speak, back to us month by month. Some people get 2,800.
Some people get as low as 400 a month. So that's pretty much the, the methodology or the process, that exists. Now there is a Social Security trust. So let's get back to that word usufruct. Usufruct is something that we can use. When I look at the word usufruct, I look at Genesis. Our heavenly father gave us this land to work and cement to till on and at the sweat of their brow. And then once we pass and go on to heaven, to paradise, and then the jury's out where you end end up landing your soul. The land returns back to our heavenly father. We get the privilege of using it. Now that same concept was adopted by this nefarious fourteenth amendment state of, So the subdivisions of the federal government.
Now I don't know everything about everything. I just know a little bit about some things. And this patriot mythology that keeps answering about is, controlled opposition. The nefarious administrative state wants people like us who are seeking the truth that sets men free to go down these rabbit holes and get totally distracted. So, I hope whatever I've shared right now brings some clarity to the subject, and I yield.
[02:13:27] Unknown:
So I have one question. Is there is there a connection between the fourteenth amendment and the custody in your opinion?
[02:13:35] Unknown:
Well, the thing is the warehouse receipt was created as collateral, which is the birth certificate. And like Roger said and Lisa has researched, these birth certificates were created, you know, twelve years before the 19, 21 time period where it became federal warehouse receipts. So if you put your birth certificate within your irrevocable trust that we're going to be learning about in our PMAs with FARC, That birth certificate is indeed a bond, is indeed worth something. And I don't know all the machinations of that, but I do know that many people that are in this movement have, re have put their birth certificate on, on the record down at their county as land as because your body is land. You're made from dirt.
So, that's the only connection I can make. Now what does that mean at the end of the day? I don't know. Does that mean some kind of monetary value? I believe I'm priceless. I believe that's why having an abortion of a life inside a mother's womb is murder. And when we become nationals, that's the way we look at abortion. It's murder. Just like the American Samoans, it's called murder because they're an unincorporated territory, and they are not fourteenth amendment citizens. So how all these things connect, I cannot say. Lady,
[02:15:04] Unknown:
I I I appreciate that. Now I'm gonna ask what I'm gonna ask you to answer my question in one sentence and not go on. So you found a connection of some sort. What is that connection between the being a fourteenth amendment citizen and the quest to v in one sentence or less.
[02:15:28] Unknown:
Well, the thing is, Sketch, the means beneficiary. So we are beneficiaries of the land when we look at Genesis, and he gave us dominion over the land. Now how these nefarious, actors came into the scene is they counterfeit what God has already done, what the heavenly father has already done. So with the, fourteenth amendment citizens and the registration of their birth certificates, that's the connection, I believe, that you may be seeking. I am not an expert on this subject. I'm just a thoughtful woman. And if I can't answer it in one sentence, it's because it's a complicated subject. And I yield Yes. Fine.
[02:16:09] Unknown:
I agree. Thank you, whoever's gonna talk because but I I really wanted a simple answer, and it was so complicated. I really didn't get it. So I'm gonna let I Yeah. I'd like that's the only I've waited quite a while here. I'd like to say something finally. From everything I've read, I see connections between a lot of the people I have a lot of respect for. And I would guess that what we're calling this trust, and of course it's right on the face of it, you have to be alive. Well, in this system you're civilly dead, unless you're that national.
Now I think what they're calling this trust could very well be HR 192, because Deborah talks about it, Gross talks about it, The Book of the Hundreds talks about it, And let me read to you what it actually is. House Joint Resolution 192 of 1933 suspended the gold standard in The United States and prohibited the payment of debts in gold or a specific currency. It declared that all obligations would be discharged upon payment in legal tender like Federal Reserve notes rather than paid in full. This established a system of public national credit and perpetual debt removing the substance for common law and placing financial obligations under maritime and ad room tea law.
The resolution was implemented immediately, and the day after President Roosevelt signed it, the Treasury offered the public new government securities without the payable in gold clause. H. R. 192 is no longer active in its original form and The US moved away from the gold standard entirely and subsequently. Now the arguments are is that money is sitting there for those who wanna access it. So you go to Stamper's book on, and and again, Stamper doesn't know about the national status. Okay? But he gives you, in his chapter magicians, a nine step process to be able to access this account.
Okay? Guess what the first thing in that step is? Here, I'll read it. Your claim to being one of the people must appear on the public register, parenthesis, the secretary of state. That's a national claim right there. That's us, the way I read it. And the Stamper's basically saying here, the reason they passed this resolution be was to protect themselves from being accused of treason by the people because you can't bring this matter to court according to Stanford because you have a remedy. And in January, he's saying there is this remedy and that you can access this account, which is essentially a trust.
He never calls it a KSBV or anything like that. He he just calls it a trust. So I'm thinking, Sketch, that this is probably what it really is, And it's been changed over the years as they've seen fit to either hide it or add to it or subtract from it, whatever. I yield. Thank you, Samuel.
[02:20:14] Unknown:
Hey, Sketch. Hi. I I did confirm that Social Security, it was looks like amendments to the Social Security agreement, which included The United States. And according to this whole this is the whole document. And I put this over into the, chat messages, the links to it. You can read it yourself. It says, at the court at Buckingham Palace, the July 1997. And it says, present, the Queen's most excellent majesty and counsel. Not quite sure if that means the queen was sitting there in court. That's the only I did a search for queen, and that was the only place that I that it popped up. But it goes through and just talks about different amendments in the Social Security agreement.
And then when you get down to who signed off on this, there were two let me scroll down here. Two, like, ambassadors from The United States, a minister. So we got a William Marsden, who's the America's Director FCO. I guess that's financial chief operator. He represents the government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain in Northern Ireland. And then for the government of the United States of America was a minister, embassy of the United States of America. So he's a minister from our United States, embassy. His name was Timothy Deal, d e a l.
And from from just my quick overview, it looked like there was amendments, a little change and some wording here and there, but it just looked like an amendment to the Social Security agreement.
[02:22:11] Unknown:
May I?
[02:22:13] Unknown:
Yeah. Floor is open.
[02:22:15] Unknown:
May I?
[02:22:19] Unknown:
Yes. Hello? Okay. We can hear you. I would
[02:22:23] Unknown:
like to rebut what Samuel said because first of all, a resolution is not a law. H j r 92 is a resolution that does not make it a law. So if you want to look at where the law is, you have to go to the statutes at large, find the be it enacted, it's called the abrogation of gold clause. So that is what you have to find and that was done in March of nineteen thirty three. H j r 92 was a discussion about the aggregation of gold claws, and I have researched that heavily because I start hearing about h j r 92 over fifteen years ago, and I kept telling people that's not the right it's not a b it enacted.
It doesn't make it law. Hi, Yield.
[02:23:30] Unknown:
Was that 1933 on the gold clause?
[02:23:34] Unknown:
Statutes at large, abrogation of gold.
[02:23:38] Unknown:
Did you say that was enacted 1933 or 1913?
[02:23:44] Unknown:
Thirty '3. Nineteen March of nineteen thirty three. The Abrogation of Gold Cloud. It was Roosevelt who yelling. Relax. You're yelling. We can hear you. Okay. Well, I'm just trying to be sure that you understand that I'm everybody in the ramp and that does speakerphone.
[02:24:05] Unknown:
If if you're on speakerphone, you could talk normal, but I can hear you. So you said h a r one ninety two is just a discussion of the statutes of large, abrogation of old laws, and I believe that was enacted in 1933. Would that be an accurate statement?
[02:24:23] Unknown:
Alright.
[02:24:25] Unknown:
I think I got what I needed.
[02:24:28] Unknown:
I'd like to ask You tell me since Lincoln, what they passed is lawful?
[02:24:33] Unknown:
Oh, that's a good question.
[02:24:35] Unknown:
May may I?
[02:24:36] Unknown:
It's all an asterisk. The whole record is an asterisk. I gotta go. But, thanks, everybody. Sketch, I apologize. Didn't mean to to, put you down or or defame you or anything like that. So, I understand Roger's frustration and, apologize if we talked over the top of you. But, anyway, hope everybody enjoys the rest of your weekend. We're all family. We're fine a little bit, but we love each other. So everybody has a great Yes? Mark, I have a quick question too, and it could be the full moon. That's why Hold on. Hold on. Sherry, there was somebody else in front of you asking me to say.
[02:25:14] Unknown:
Hey, Marcus. It's me, Julie. I got confirmation that all my stuff got delivered to you yesterday. Yeah. You're
[02:25:21] Unknown:
welcome. Thank you. So, Sherry, you sound like you're way off. Can you can you speak up a little bit?
[02:25:29] Unknown:
Me?
[02:25:30] Unknown:
Yeah. Whoever sounds like you're way, I can barely hear you.
[02:25:36] Unknown:
Okay. I apologize. Can you hear me now?
[02:25:39] Unknown:
Okay, Sherry. And I turned my volume up a little bit. Go ahead.
[02:25:42] Unknown:
Okay. You're really good at looking stuff up as people speak about it. Did you happen to look up that, abrogation of Goldcorp? No. No. I've I've gotta go. I've got things to do. Oh, okay. No. I was just curious if you had, looked it up while she was stating that. No. I appreciate you, Mark, and you have a good Michael day. I don't know who that was,
[02:26:05] Unknown:
but just talk It was Sherry. She said we got a full moon. That's why everybody's freaking out.
[02:26:10] Unknown:
No. It was Sherry.
[02:26:12] Unknown:
Sherry. She's not full anymore. Sorry. Alright. Alright. Alright. She's good. Thanks for believe. Thanks, Mark, for, looking that up. I hope it helps. I don't know. I'm I could make sense of it.
[02:26:28] Unknown:
Well, I think the link's over in the chat box so you can look at it yourself again. Yeah. Well Gotta be what was funny is the very first the very first link that come up was Anavon Rights. When I did a just a plain Google search on it, but then
[02:26:43] Unknown:
when I got over Did you get to The UK registered one of the parliament?
[02:26:48] Unknown:
Okay. I'll put the links in the chat. If you want me to email it to you, I can.
[02:26:52] Unknown:
Okay. So so just because Anna has it, does that mean it's illegitimate?
[02:26:58] Unknown:
Well, her opinion is probably illegitimate.
[02:27:01] Unknown:
Well, I didn't get my opinion from her. So
[02:27:05] Unknown:
Well, I mean Anna. She's she's trying to make it sound like the Queen of England controls the Social Security in The United States, and this is just kind of the opposite way. If you read the document that was Okay. That was amended Okay. And and there's there's the first one is just kinda like an overview, and they have some collapsed menus, and they explain what was changed. And then they had a link to the whole document
[02:27:29] Unknown:
Right. Which is just
[02:27:31] Unknown:
it's not the actual document, but it's the digital version. Okay. And and when you look through that, you'll see it's just agreements to amend some wording and so forth. Now whether it has deeper meaning to it, I don't know. I have it's just first glance to me. But Right. I think Jannevon writes is trying to lead people to say, well, the Queen of England is still in charge of The United States. And I don't read it that way. I read that we got multiple countries who participate in The United States social security system and England, wanted to make some changes or The United States had made some changes and presented it to England. Now what's really crazy, and I don't understand it, is why was this why was this held at Buckingham Palace in front of the, Queen's Court, basically.
So I don't know what that arrangement is.
[02:28:25] Unknown:
Is that supposition on your part that it was brought to England versus the vice versa?
[02:28:33] Unknown:
At first glance, I could be wrong, Sketch, but at first glance, it kinda looks like that to me. Okay. Thank you. Or or or England might have wanted to make some changes in the wording. I don't know. I'll have to study a little bit more, but the whole document here should have an explanation
[02:28:49] Unknown:
of of why these changes are being made and who initiated the changes. Okay. Well, if anybody's gonna be able to find out, it's gonna be you probably because I can't. Alright. No problem. No problem.
[02:29:01] Unknown:
So anyway, hopefully that helps. You know, there's just we we hear so many opinions and and I'm guilty of it. I did it back when I was first getting into the quote patriot movement. And, I did the same thing because I didn't know any better, you know? Right. Right. And then you you hear people that sound so confident that they know what they were talking about, and you take it as gospel. So when people say, you really need to go look it up, yes. You really do need to go look it up. Because I can't tell you how many times I've heard, just, they'll say, well, this this case decision, this court decision means this. And when I read the court decision, I didn't see anything in there that even related to what they said it said.
Understood. So it's it's rough or so much disinformation. And guess what? The opposition, they're doing that too. You know, I don't know if Antebon rights has controlled opposition or David Strait or all these other guys. Who knows? But they they they're put they're putting out so much disinformation, and it just keeps the, I'll just say, the truth seekers. I hate to say patriot community, but the truth seekers out here, it just keeps them embroiled in these rabbit trails, you know. And and this is why I love Roger's messages. When you become a national and you mail in your affidavit and get your passport, book or card, you know, you're as soon as you drop that in the mail and they and the u US secretary of state's office receives it, it's done. It's over with. You've officially declared your status as a national, and you're and you don't have to be embroiled in that mess.
But we continue to have people that bring forth and I'm not saying you, Sketch. I think you had a probably legitimate question that you're trying to figure out. And and in a way, it may have just shored up Rogers' belief that there's no connection because, you know, I I can't find one. Maybe Cheryl can find one. I don't know. But I just really kinda walked away from it. It's it's really liberating, and I have freedom because I'm not having to constantly dig for more information. I mean, in my opinion, I could be wrong, but in my opinion, Rogers material is the holy grail to getting out of that that federal system.
And up until this point, up until I found Rogers material, And again, I'd walked away from that whole Patriot Malone stuff. I'm just so sick of it. But when I found Rogers material, now I look back at all of a sudden. And you got people, for one reason or another, that keep perpetuating the Patriot mythology. And I think a lot of them are doing it because they're getting money and they're not interested in changing it. So they they got all this research that, one, they probably got it from somebody else, then they added their own spin to it, and they continue to promote it because they're making money. And the rest of people who are who are and I'm not talking about you, Sketch, or anybody listening, but other people out there don't know any better. They they haven't learned about Rogers' message of of being a national.
So they get exposed to this. They're they're wanting desperately to get out of the federal system and get out of the tax system. They find Antebon rights, they find a David Strait, they find other people like that, and they glom onto it like it's the gospel. And they don't know any better. And so when we peep people find out about Roger's message, they want us to compare our stuff to their stuff. And I'm like, I could tell you right off the bat that if they don't understand the feudal system, they don't understand the fourteenth amendment, and they don't understand how the government was taken over, after the civil war with the with the thirteenth and fourteenth amendment and the sixteenth amendment. If they don't understand that, then they're just swimming in or they're paddling in circles.
They're just paddling in circles, continuing to share this information. And a lot of them, it has to do with with the monetary interest in what they're promoting. So I'm just telling you from from my twenty five years experience, Roger's material is, in my opinion, it's simple and it's the holy grail. And now it's just a matter of if if you're approached by a government agency, you know how to defend your status. And and that's really the only part that we need to worry about is just defending our status. And that that can be difficult, but we've got some exciting, stories, actual experiences from people who are nationals that when the feds come knocking and they show them their affidavit, they start backing up.
And hopefully within a couple of weeks, we'll have that, actually two people on to discuss that. So it's pretty exciting stuff. It it goes right hand in hand with, Sarah, whose daughter got, taken well, not taken, but she, called her daughter was rebellious and called the child protective services, and they took her. And her mother got it out by showing her affidavit and showing her daughter's affidavit. And the state didn't have jurisdiction and they let her go. Let her and her daughter go. So that's powerful. And that's because of an affidavit and and a mother and a father that stood their ground and went toe to toe with them. And and it didn't take them long to back up. So, I mean, your status is so powerful. A national status is so powerful.
It just takes you out of their jurisdiction. And, now, you know, there's other unfortunately, when you're when you're out here traveling in your automobile, you're probably on automobile, you know, that the the state and county and the city, they think you're operating in a commercial sense and, you know, you that's your that's your most obvious interface that you come in with with your government. And that's a tough one. We got split you know, we got people who are wanting to test that. Joe Luska did and see what he went through. Almost almost caused a breakup with his family until they saw that he was right, and his father-in-law saw he was right. That was most important.
But not everybody gets that chance, you know? But if you wanna push the envelope, I mean, really do your homework and have a game plan and, learn from others like Joe Lustigal what you potentially could face. The other option is to doing what I call a declaratory judgment, a petition for declaratory judgment where you're not under a potential arrest, they haven't impounded your car, and you're just asking the court whether the city or county or state have have a right to impose their their driving, laws on you as a private citizen. So that's the nice way to go about it. Now you've got a a drawn out normal legal process instead of being under the gun of fighting a traffic ticket where you're pretty much presumed guilty until you prove your innocence.
So anyway, this is kind of my position on it. So hopefully that hopefully that information helps. Yeah, Samuel?
[02:36:37] Unknown:
Yeah. Did you get that Walter Burien video from me? Look for it because I send it, and I I think, I would I'm surprised I sent it to a lot of people, and nobody wanted to talk about it today and or yesterday. And I'm I have not seen it, Sam. Did you send it to the straw man? Straw man. Whatever
[02:37:01] Unknown:
whatever email you gave me originally. That's what I Yeah. Alright. I'll go back and look for it.
[02:37:07] Unknown:
You know, this this would wipe out all taxation. That video is in in February. And at the time, he says there's $60,000,000,000,000 in assets that the government holds federal, state and local. Two thirds of it are in state and local. And he says there's no reason for us to be paying property taxes, probably should be getting a check.
[02:37:36] Unknown:
So in Alaska, I don't know if they have property taxes, but, you know, they tax the companies that come in there and pull oil out of the ground and precious minerals and and, they get taxed. And I think, the people of Alaska get, like, a little monthly check out of that. Last time I heard it was, like, $500.
[02:37:57] Unknown:
So Yeah. He he's basically saying we could do that across the country. I I totally agree. Eliminating all taxation. He he's there's another really interesting statistic that he used, Mark. He said that, not so long ago, government was 6% to 8% of the GNP. Right? He says in February, it was 48%.
[02:38:21] Unknown:
Woah.
[02:38:24] Unknown:
And he says, if we don't stop this thing, it's gonna and the reason I think it's good to share this again now now is because of what Doge is doing and exposing all this money that's laying around.
[02:38:38] Unknown:
Yep.
[02:38:39] Unknown:
Yep. Hey, Samuel. I did I did receive it. I've got it segregated out to watch.
[02:38:46] Unknown:
Alright. I'll I'll do the same.
[02:38:48] Unknown:
I think it'd be worth a great discussion.
[02:38:51] Unknown:
Hey, Mark. I'm sorry. If if Samuel sent that to straw man and it was in all caps, I know he deleted it because he thought it was Patriot Mythology.
[02:39:03] Unknown:
I don't know. You gotta make my straw man happy.
[02:39:06] Unknown:
Hello. Could you put could you put the link? Keep my mind open on that one yet. You know?
[02:39:13] Unknown:
Hello. Could you put the link in the chat so that I can enjoy the the information you you are mentioning, please?
[02:39:24] Unknown:
Brent or Sam, do you have a link you have a link to that?
[02:39:28] Unknown:
Did somebody put it up yesterday? Maybe I can put it up again today. It's I sent it to a lot of people. So I know I sent it to Paul too. So and Andy.
[02:39:42] Unknown:
Hey, Daniel.
[02:39:43] Unknown:
Can you put it here? Put it there, please. I would appreciate that.
[02:39:50] Unknown:
I wasn't hearing that. I'm sorry.
[02:39:54] Unknown:
Hey, Samuel?
[02:39:55] Unknown:
Yeah. Can you, would you be could you email that to me?
[02:40:02] Unknown:
Somebody else have to put it up there. I'm very limited on technology.
[02:40:08] Unknown:
Okay. And then, what's that stamper book with the 10 steps in it that you were referring to previously to access your SESDWE KV Trust account? Fruits
[02:40:19] Unknown:
from a Poisonous Tree.
[02:40:22] Unknown:
It's in the book Fruits from a Poisonous Tree? Yeah. Okay. I have that book. Thank you.
[02:40:29] Unknown:
It's in, the the main I think the most important paragraph in that book is only 40 pages. If you wanna see if you're gonna like that book or not, read Magicians. It's in that chapter as well.
[02:40:41] Unknown:
Yeah. I have the book. Thank you.
[02:40:44] Unknown:
Yeah. Hey, Sam. Do you recall what what wording you put in the subject line for that? Because I'm not finding that email. Walter Burien, probably.
[02:40:54] Unknown:
Walter? Okay.
[02:40:56] Unknown:
Let's just do Walter and search my subject lines for that. Nope. Okay.
[02:41:04] Unknown:
How you feeling about the importance of trust?
[02:41:09] Unknown:
Yeah. I know we're trying to retire, like, income tax and half or road pirates and not be frisked by TSA by having a national, like, with a quote, yeah, they can't touch you. Well, if they're still touching all the stuff that got created before you were a national, I think it's important to set the record straight and I yield.
[02:41:32] Unknown:
I remember Walter Berrien now that you, really close to that, Glad Hearts, the capper. And I remember remember that years ago. Man, that's that's been a long time. But I remember him talking about the comprehensive annual financial report, CAFR, which people refer to as the CAPR, and it's mind blowing. So, yeah, I think, Samuel, that's a really That's what it's about, Mark. Yep. And it's it's in three parks,
[02:42:06] Unknown:
and, so don't let the length it's pretty long, Gary. Because you get you could do the parts and, and and one is always is actually how to execute doing it by hiring and I don't know what type of an account or the accountant. He said that you need to audit your local people in order to get them in line, and and then he wants you to go ahead and, get a resolution started and, change the law so that, they have to start disclosing this stuff to the public. Yep. Yep. It's like they have a a book about now. Sets of books.
[02:42:47] Unknown:
It's like they have a set of books they they present to the public, and then we got, like, this off app, what do you call it? Off book accounting.
[02:42:58] Unknown:
Yeah. One one book doesn't have any of the assets that they've occurred over tens
[02:43:04] Unknown:
and years. You know? Good point. I think the one that they share with the public is just showing all the money that's brought in, but they're not disclosing all the assets that they hold. Something like that. Yep. This is Bruce Hart. I gotta go. I appreciate everybody. Good discussion today. And if you want to dig in a little bit Have a good one, Mark. Alright. You too. Talk to you. Somebody's got their speakers on and it's vibrating.
[02:43:30] Unknown:
It's tearing up the
[02:43:36] Unknown:
the
[02:43:37] Unknown:
show. Thank you. Hey, Sancho.
[02:43:40] Unknown:
Yeah. Hey. It's Larry. What exactly did you read and Cheryl came on and said she rebuts what you had mentioned? And did you respond to that?
[02:43:54] Unknown:
HR-one 92, she could be technically correct. I mean, I don't really it wouldn't surprise me. But people use HR 192 because it shows you, I guess, in their discussion the remedy that Stamper is talking about in his book, which is what I'm thinking HR 192 is really this trust that was set up to protect them from being accused of treason when they took the gold standard off. You know? And really, has Congress Congress pretty much gave up the ship to the president since Lincoln. You could see the power that, Trump is actually taking right now. It gives you an inkling of what he can do. And if you look at the past executive orders, he could pretty much put a ring in your nose if he wants to. So, you know, this is where we are.
[02:45:04] Unknown:
Well, it's a good show that we're still under the emergency powers for him to continue to execute executive orders or issue them.
[02:45:15] Unknown:
And a lot of these statutes according to well, I always forget who I read it at, but a lot of those are an asterisk because it's a it's a suggestion. It doesn't have any force or power of law, and I think that's what she was sort of pointing out. Right? However, if you volunteer to it just like the fourteenth amendment, well, there you go, you know. They've achieved their goal whether it's lawful or not.
[02:45:45] Unknown:
Are you saying the, HJR one ninety two has an asterisk in it? Oh,
[02:45:51] Unknown:
it probably does. Yeah. I don't know specifically if that one does. But
[02:45:59] Unknown:
Yes. It does.
[02:46:02] Unknown:
And it is not a be it enacted. Be it enacted creates law. If it doesn't if they can't show you be it enacted, they can't show it to you on IRS, They can't show it to you on a whole bunch. They they can't show it to you on property taxes. If it doesn't say be it enacted, it is not law. They might call it legal because they use statutes. Statutes are in pure law. Statutes aren't even law.
[02:46:39] Unknown:
Well, I
[02:46:44] Unknown:
I mean, I'm not really disagreeing. I think you're probably point your point is well taken. But my point is sort of we did we really haven't had a properly sit sitting Congress since Lincoln.
[02:47:00] Unknown:
It's the senator down the hall, you know. You're absolutely correct. However, the people have yielded since Lincoln. So if the people are yielding to the corporation, guess what? We don't have any standing.
[02:47:20] Unknown:
Yeah.
[02:47:21] Unknown:
Sure.
[02:47:22] Unknown:
Cheryl, are you saying that, we should not depend on HGR one ninety two?
[02:47:30] Unknown:
It's not a be it enacted. It's a resolution. Resolutions are not law. It's a discussion. It was a discussion.
[02:47:42] Unknown:
Yeah. But what the discussion was about, I guess, is my point, is how to how to get out of this. Forty years.
[02:47:50] Unknown:
I read. I read constantly. I have read all this stuff. I have the abbreviation of Gold Claws on my computer. So go get it. Go read what I've read. I am a huge reader, a huge researcher. I I've been around for twenty five years listening to all the pay, p a y, myths. When I I watched when, Analvan Rees came on to the scene and I said, judge, let's prove that. And what I found is she's got a name that's two paragraphs long. I mean, come on. Judges don't have that. So so, I mean, I'm telling you, I am a reader and researcher, and I'm not I I don't speak bullshit. I will not I will not say a thing if I don't know.
I yield.
[02:48:53] Unknown:
Let me use the word statute in two different ways. Okay? This is according to Prost. This is the political, like, 15 statutes at large is designed to keep federal courts from taking jurisdiction. Courts cannot take judicial notice of the fourteenth amendment. On the economic side of the, the argument, all courts take jurisdiction through the fourteenth amendment until one proves otherwise. Codes are streamlined private interpretation of statutes at large for public purpose. Codes allow the courts to take judicial notice of the fourteenth amendment. Codes apply to anyone who has not made a public notice of his political choice, which is our affidavit.
[02:49:45] Unknown:
Right.
[02:49:47] Unknown:
So you got there's there's statues and there's statutes.
[02:49:53] Unknown:
Well, read go go to your legal library and go look at your statutes and read the front page. Apply to the people. So how is it that your state can put a statute on you when it specifically states it does not apply to the people? Go photocopy that page so that when they pull you over, you can say, excuse me, officer. Are you you're you're referring to a statute and show them that page. I yield. Come on, guys. Read. You need to read.
[02:50:34] Unknown:
It's breaking up. Yelling in the Ihaveacom I had to comment after everybody's done.
[02:50:43] Unknown:
Can you repeat that again? I wanna know what she was reading. I need to go read that.
[02:50:49] Unknown:
Go to your local legal library and pull just all you need to look at is the state statute first edition and read the front page where it talks about what it is. And it says right on that first page, it does not apply to the people. Thank you. Government. It's rules if you're a if you're a government employee, it applies to you. But if you're one of the people, that does not apply to you. That's why it's called inferior law by the, Supreme Court.
[02:51:31] Unknown:
Cheryl, is this, is this written in each state's statutes?
[02:51:37] Unknown:
Well, I read it in California. I read it in Texas, and I read it in Florida. I have not owned a TV in forty years. I'm a reader. I I hate that I have to read anything lawfully, because I didn't wanna be in the law system, but I got pulled in illegally, and I'm still fighting it. And and, the other thing you might wanna look at is US versus USA. You know, all these other books, the book of a hundred, all these other stuff, US versus USA. Is it is it superior that.
[02:52:22] Unknown:
There you go. They've changed that website. I think it's now usavsus.info.
[02:52:32] Unknown:
Okay. Well, I I haven't looked at it in a long time, because I looked at it and listened to the audios fifteen years ago.
[02:52:42] Unknown:
Mhmm. Yeah. They changed the site, but it's still the same content.
[02:52:48] Unknown:
Okay. Well, that's good. But but I I would recommend you listen to the audios. Find the audios because it's pretty powerful stuff. And Social Security is a total nexus. You claim to be a US citizen. You claim to be a resident when you did that. And you that's one of the very first documents we did. And I don't believe necessarily until I travel. If I can get through TSA if I if TSA waves me through, I'll believe I'm a national. If they don't, I don't believe it. And anybody who has not traveled better not say they're a national. Prove it to yourself.
[02:53:40] Unknown:
Hey, Cheryl. I'm trying to understand, your point as far as when Samuel read something out of, out of a document, and then you said I rebut that. And then you went on to explain something about the HJR 192 is a resolution and we need to look up the gold standard. Can you elaborate on what did what you're trying to say there? Like, what what's your explanation? Be it enacted.
[02:54:13] Unknown:
The the aggregation of gold clause starts with be it enacted. That makes it law. That makes it law. And all the people who are using h j r one ninety two are not getting remedy. Use the statues at large and the abrogation of gold clause if you're looking for remedy.
[02:54:40] Unknown:
Okay. Are you allowed to get out of there?
[02:54:44] Unknown:
Hold hold on. He's allowed to get out.
[02:54:46] Unknown:
HR one ninety two does according to what I But it's just a joint it's a resolution that has not it's a bill that didn't get signed into law is what she's saying. It's just a joint resolution from the house. They wanna make it law, but they didn't.
[02:55:03] Unknown:
Yeah. But you're not listening any better than she is. The abrogation of gold cloth.
[02:55:09] Unknown:
This is this is the way to get out of it by listening to what they were talking about because they were trying to save their freaking asses. You get it?
[02:55:20] Unknown:
Okay. Hold hold on, Cheryl. You said that we need to depend on we need to depend on the gold abrogation clause to find remedy. Now give me a specific example of how someone going to 192 can't get remedy on something, but going to the gold clause, they can. Give me an example of that.
[02:55:49] Unknown:
Okay. I I have never been in debt, so I I can't speak to that. But I have listened to enough Patriot mess where people are saying this and that and the other. I read the banker's manual. Banker's manual said, you're a bank. You are a bank. So when you sign a promissory note, you are the bank. So why would you sign a mortgage note? You are the bank.
[02:56:20] Unknown:
Gigi, I have one question. The banker's manual,
[02:56:25] Unknown:
and I read the the statutes at large. I listened to people for years. Way back in February, they were talking about HJR nine January. And and, I think it was, creditors in commerce is where I first heard it. Have any of you heard of that?
[02:56:48] Unknown:
Gigi, I have one question. You just mentioned that you would have never been in debt. Now you had a court case where I think you were fined and you acquired debt. Is that true?
[02:57:05] Unknown:
I I don't recognize that as a debt. How many do you pay a debt with a debt? I have tried to pay with gold, and they refuse it. Gigi. And so Gigi. Or the UCC gives me discharge.
[02:57:21] Unknown:
Gigi? Did you discharge? That ain't Gigi. That's Cheryl. That's Cheryl, not Gigi.
[02:57:27] Unknown:
Oh, Cheryl. Sorry, Cheryl.
[02:57:29] Unknown:
Cheryl. It's okay.
[02:57:32] Unknown:
So so you say you've never had debt, but you discharged debt. So you did have debt at one time and you discharged it. Is that correct?
[02:57:45] Unknown:
I followed EON for years because EON No. No. No. Hey.
[02:57:51] Unknown:
Orders. I asked you a simple question. You said to us that you've never been in debt, and then you just turned around and said I discharged that debt. So did you have debt or not?
[02:58:04] Unknown:
No. I no. Not I don't believe I have. And my credit is How how do you discharge a debt you don't have? How do you discharge a debt you don't have?
[02:58:16] Unknown:
What's the purpose of that?
[02:58:19] Unknown:
Okay. Like your electric bill. That's they they consider that a debt. I discharge that every month.
[02:58:29] Unknown:
You said to us, you've never had debt.
[02:58:33] Unknown:
I don't have debt. What's the purpose
[02:58:36] Unknown:
of discharging a debt you don't have?
[02:58:40] Unknown:
Okay. I live in America.
[02:58:46] Unknown:
Lots of people think I am a debtor. Answering the question, Cheryl. I'm sorry. Relax there. Relax, brother. Relax. It's just semantics. Okay? Her electric bill might be considered a debt to some people or it's a bill or it's whatever. And she says she discharges it at the treasury with the with the Fair Trade,
[02:59:11] Unknown:
Act. Is that right? Cheryl? That's what the abrogation of gold cloth.
[02:59:16] Unknown:
What is it?
[02:59:18] Unknown:
Abrogation of gold cloth. So you send that to them every month? Every month. Well, actually, you know, I Can you describe how you do that, Cheryl, please? Wait a second. I started using that way back, oh gosh, when I was in, California. I was using aggregation of gold claws. Texas too. But I started listening to EON, and he said just do a money order. And so and and he's got ten years of doing he's a money order king. He's got ten years with his YouTube channel showing you how to do a money order. So I switched to his process. Just do a money order. Which is one that you you create.
Yeah. Well well, you just put no. You put it across their statement.
[03:00:12] Unknown:
Walk us through it. Walk us through it, Cheryl. What do you mean?
[03:00:17] Unknown:
He does a money order diagonally on the statement. He says a statement is,
[03:00:24] Unknown:
not a bill.
[03:00:26] Unknown:
Right. Right. Right. So he says just do a money order right across the statement. Okay. Let me clarify this. You're right on that statement.
[03:00:37] Unknown:
Don't forget. A statement includes a coupon at the bottom. The statement is the top part portion. The coupon is the small portion that is in the same shape as a what what we call a check. Is that where is where are you writing the money order on?
[03:00:55] Unknown:
The whole thing goes back. I I I I I do it diagonally, and the whole thing goes back. And I've never heard diagonally
[03:01:03] Unknown:
just say this is a money order?
[03:01:06] Unknown:
No. No. And I don't have the wording in front of me, and I'm not gonna go try to find it because you all should do your own homework. I'm not here to instruct anybody. I'm just here to make sure you get the truth. Okay? You use HR one ninety two, it's gonna fail every time. Use fabrication of gold clause, and you will succeed every time. Hey, Cheryl. The bankers' manual so that you understand you are the bank. In fact, I have a I have a friend who just sent me his, what did he say? His bill of exchange, and and he he had it paid.
So Cheryl? You need money, use a bill of exchange. Cheryl? Start reading about that. I have a bunch of friends that are doing what I do. Cheryl? We've been for twenty you. Hi, Yield. Hey, Cheryl.
[03:02:14] Unknown:
Hey, Cheryl? I I I can anybody hear me?
[03:02:19] Unknown:
I can. I went on mute. I I don't I I'm not here to instruct you guys. I just I wanted to listen, and I heard misinformation,
[03:02:29] Unknown:
so that's why I spoke up. Okay. Can I just can I just say something real quick? Do me a favor. Real quick? I think what Cheryl's doing, and I think I know how to do this because I have the secret banker's manual too, and I'm not done reading it, Cheryl. I'm a little behind you. But she's taking the, bill and you take a blue ink marker and you basically make a big, huge Z on it and you're using blue ink. And there's specific wording that you tell them what to do. And you use that as the money order, and you send that back to them. And there's it's specific wording that you use, and I have it. I can post it, but I just don't have it right here. I'm I've just never tried it before. Am I correct on that, Cheryl?
[03:03:10] Unknown:
Yes. You are. Is that Julie? Yes. This is me, Julie. Yes.
[03:03:15] Unknown:
Yep. You're absolutely right. I know you're a reader too, Julie. Yeah. I read I've yeah. I've got 19 books I've got 19 books next to my bed, so that's all I do is read too. I'm like you.
[03:03:26] Unknown:
Alright. Cheryl, you said you you do you discharge your electric bill every month, and you're not here to instruct. But can you at least tell us what you do on your bill?
[03:03:39] Unknown:
I do a money order, and I told you it's on EON's channel. Go to YouTube, find EON. He's got ten years of instructing on how to do a money order. Learn the process, guys. I'm not gonna tell you the process I used because it may not work for you because you won't understand what you're doing. How who to send it to. That's also part of the game. You know, it's not you don't just, like, nail it in to the utility because there's people that won't that open the mail, and they're expecting a check. They'll throw your stuff away. So you need to learn how the process works, and it works.
I use. Yeah. Yep. I'll make
[03:04:27] Unknown:
you guys If you had somebody if you had somebody conspiracy, working on a conspiracy against you to take you down and do you damage, would you like to have access to that document and read what they did and how they were planning to mess you up?
[03:04:43] Unknown:
I I'll get the you guys, I'll get the stuff. I I have it. It's I've tried I have you have to know who to send this to if she's correct. If you just take this and stick it back in the envelope and send it to the utility company, those people that open it up are just administrative. It's going to a billing department with administrators who know nothing about they don't even know what a national is, let alone a citizen of The United States. So those people are not going to process that. They're going to send it back to you as unpaid with late charges, fees, penalties, and interest on it. It's the same thing with your mortgage. When you get in the mail a mortgage statement, that's the same thing as an electric bill statement.
The correct thing is they should have sent you If you really owed something, it would say invoice on it, but it doesn't say invoice on it. It says statement on it. So they're not really billing you for something. They're basically making a statement, Pay us. They're commanding you to pay them. And so what you do is you tell them to take it back. You take a big, huge blue marker and you put a Z over the top of it And you write in, you write there's certain words you write, and you write it at an angle on the z at an angle and you sign it a certain way. And the money gets you are you're banker. The money gets taken out of your bank, which I guess I could tell you guys is I'm pretty sure here is your Sesame KV Trust account. That account does 100% exist, and, it it exists. I know it exists, And and I know that there's a way you guys that we can tap into that account. So as as as Sketch said with, Fruits of a Poisonous Tree Tree by Stamper, that one, chapter, he's correct on that.
So, anyway, that's what Cheryl's talking about and that's how she's making her
[03:06:35] Unknown:
she's not really making her payment. She's just mentioning
[03:06:38] Unknown:
Sorry, Samuel. I'm sorry. I'm very sorry. You guys sound alike to me on my phone here. So she's basically just charging a debt that way, and she's just using semantics there. Well, let me
[03:06:51] Unknown:
I mean, the reason Stanford brings up HR one ninety two is because they're discussing how you do these nine steps to qualify for everything you're talking about. It's in his book. It's on page 67, nine steps. And it's it's from HR one ninety two. This is their conspiracy to make sure they weren't committed for treason for taking away the gold.
[03:07:19] Unknown:
What's the name of Stanford's book? It's fruits of a poisonous tree.
[03:07:24] Unknown:
Oh, I've never read it. You know what? The bible talks about the fruits of a poisonous tree. I thought it was a bible thing. No. I've never read.
[03:07:38] Unknown:
I have that. I have
[03:07:40] Unknown:
I have the book, fruits of a poisonous tree in PDF. If you want guys want me to drop it in the FCC channel, I'm happy to do so.
[03:07:48] Unknown:
And and guess what number step step number one is? It's our our it's our affidavit. This is his word, though, because he doesn't know about the national status when he wrote this book. Your claim is being one of the people must appear on the public register, the secretary of state. That's your first step in doing this process. So we got one step in.
[03:08:14] Unknown:
Yes. So does he say The USA Secretary Of State? Because most people would think it's the state secretary of state. I mean, I have a question.
[03:08:26] Unknown:
He he sent his he sent it to Madeleine Albright in in the beginning of the book. He talks about expatriating, and he sends his expatriation papers to Madeleine Albright. But he's basically doing what Gross is is saying when he's expatriating. He's not expatriating out of the country. He's expatriating out of the democracy and back into the republic.
[03:08:51] Unknown:
Well, I'm just wondering instead of calling ourselves nationals that we should just state that we are, one of the people of The United States Of America.
[03:09:03] Unknown:
Yep. There's there's something I think in that. I I just have a spidey feeling that that could be, could be somewhat I mean, ultimately, the way I look at it is under God. It's not under all of this man made b s. Ultimately, you got to include God in your documents because that's the true owner of us and everything else. I have a question. I don't disagree, but I'm just saying instead
[03:09:32] Unknown:
of stipulating that you're a national, that you stipulate you're one of the people.
[03:09:39] Unknown:
One of the people from whatever state you were born in. Not America doesn't exist. You haven't heard USA in I don't know how long. USA does not exist. America does not exist. So you need I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad
[03:10:04] Unknown:
I
[03:10:06] Unknown:
is a country in and of itself. I yield.
[03:10:10] Unknown:
I have a question. Is there a difference of the two terms? The the US State Department and the Department of State.
[03:10:27] Unknown:
Yeah. Reda The US versus US. Yeah. Absolutely. There's a difference. Well, of course. You know, just like just like just like if you look at an atlas, the original atlas just showed it as Florida, Minnesota, New York, Kansas. It was never state of. Cheryl? State of is a fiction and is a franchise fiction of the corporation.
[03:10:55] Unknown:
Cheryl, I'm gonna ask you a simple question. Could you please, in two in a short paragraph, please tell me the difference between the the state department and the Department of State?
[03:11:10] Unknown:
I I don't know. I'm sure I've read about it, but it's not something that's in my head to to remember because I don't use them. I don't do anything with
[03:11:22] Unknown:
Alright. Does anybody else know the difference between the state department and the Department of State?
[03:11:33] Unknown:
Why don't you just,
[03:11:35] Unknown:
do a search for it? Because we're having a conversation here, Cheryl, and I was asking The Department of State is is What is you were,
[03:11:45] Unknown:
and the State Department is de facto.
[03:11:48] Unknown:
Thank you, Dave. Bless you.
[03:11:52] Unknown:
Hey, Cheryl. Cheryl, who's the, this this gentleman you said you listened to? Is he on YouTube? Elon? Is that what do you type in to find his his content?
[03:12:06] Unknown:
E o n e o n. And he also he just changed he's got a new channel. So to probably tell you about his new channel, because he he switched. He has so much content on that one that he just created a new one last year. He's a black man, and he's, he's like me. He's a researcher. I've talked to him several times, and we've exchanged information.
[03:12:38] Unknown:
Yeah. In law, in juror, in law by right versus at law. Article three courts versus article one courts. Law of the land versus law of the sea statutes, revised statutes. Is your government inside the constitution, de facto government outside the constitution, article one, section eight, you know, clause 17. It's It's not disinformation if you're reading the remedy that they tried to bury you with it. I mean, in in Stamford Steps, HR one ninety two is the insurance policy that you have to reference so that your steps are in order. It's step number four.
[03:13:41] Unknown:
Okay. So who is this man? Because I've never heard of him. So so the bit where I start is who's the author of the information, and what is his standing, and where did he come from? Yeah. Do you know who he is?
[03:14:00] Unknown:
Yeah. Everybody here knows who he is, I think.
[03:14:06] Unknown:
Well, who is he? I've never heard of him, and I read a lot. I I have read thousands of books in my years. Thousands. I read five a week. He's never hit he's never hit my table, and I don't read fiction. I read all nonfiction.
[03:14:26] Unknown:
Hey, Cheryl. I just looked up, e o n on YouTube, and I can't find any black man that does, videos. Do you have more information connected with that name?
[03:14:40] Unknown:
Not in front of me. I'm not even anywhere near my computer right now. He's on there. He's definitely on there. I maybe, a YouTube search for, money orders or aggregation of gold plus because, he's one of the first that I heard, about that. Neon does a lot of stuff. Mortgage fraud, a whole bunch of stuff. I've never had a mortgage on a house. I signed the promissory note. I make sure they put the keys on the table. I signed promissory note, and then I say, I I pick up the keys and I say have a good day. And they're always going, oh, woah. Woah. Woah. Wait. Wait. Wait. And the only thing I'll sign is their three day notice.
[03:15:47] Unknown:
What's the three day notice?
[03:15:51] Unknown:
The cancellation clause. I'm more everybody gets one. And it actually, if you're if you're too afraid to do what I did, in the three day notice. As soon as you get home, in the three day notice, now you have the key. You don't have to mess with anymore because they lied to you. You read the contract, and that's everybody's problem. You don't read. You you assume that you have to get a mortgage. Well, so the the very and they don't read it to you. You know, I I I have a lot of rentals. I read my lease to my tenants. I read my lease to my tenants. How many of you have a lease? How many of you rent and your landlord sat down and read the lease with you?
[03:16:54] Unknown:
Hey, Cheryl. I just found a channel called e e o n. Is that the one?
[03:17:04] Unknown:
Yeah. Probably.
[03:17:06] Unknown:
Yeah. There's two e's in it.
[03:17:08] Unknown:
Oh, okay. Alright. Well, you know, forgive me, but, you know, I I have them bookmarked, and I really don't pay attention to the channel. I just know I'm on his, and I subscribed to it. So, you know, years ago, I subscribed to it. Now now I'm subscribed to his other one. I forget what I forget what he calls the new but he's he's great, and he's a great researcher. You know? He tells you source. He tells you his source. If people cannot tell you their source, don't believe a word they say. I think Mark mentioned about people telling them about then he'll go read the court case and doesn't say anything like that. I'm that kind of a researcher too. You give me the case that you're and case is not case cases are not law.
And I always hear people going, oh, oh, there's a case far on that. It's not law. It's just a site. It's just something you can cite as a reference. It is not law. Cases don't create law. Yeah. People say a lot of shit that they don't know what they're talking about.
[03:18:28] Unknown:
I think you would enjoy reading the book. Stamper's book, Melvin Stamper, was a a JD. We really don't know whether he used his Juris Doctorate to become a judge or not or whether he became an attorney because he usually has to prerequisites. Right? So just to clear that up, but here's a little bit more of his background. The author served his country as a US Marine in Southeast Asia, a police chief, railroad special agent, CIA intelligence source, industrial engineer, pilot, law professor, legal researcher, private investigator, and ombudsman with the Department of Defense.
His analytical skills are honed by all of his experience and education for the investigation of his life, the United States government. That's in his forward. And he's reference and then he's referencing HR one ninety to as their insurance policy to protect them from treason.
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Alright. Cowboys, cowgirls, we're gonna try and change the world a little bit here. Two hours worth of shoulder to the wheel. And, it is the Sabado, Saturday edition of the Radio Ranch. Roger says your host. A whole bunch of other folks around, we trust. And, it is, the day after, sweetie's day. So I hope you had a a night. Should you have a cigother, I hope you had a nice Valentine's Day and commemorate your affections for each other. So good for you. We're on an abbreviated set of platforms today because of the Saturday nature of the show, and Paul doesn't have too much work to do today, do you?
Should be pretty short. Short and sweet, and you can go back to, mopping up water. Right?
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Yes. Something like that. Uh-huh. Okay. Yes. We're on EuroFolkRadio.com. Of course, that's the flagship stream. Thanks to pastor Eli James, and we're on Global Voice Radio Network. We have, quite quite a bit of, quite a few folks in free conference call. We've got 23 joining us there. And, shit. Just it is what it is. Well, excuse me. Are you alright?
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You gonna make it? You sound a little challenged.
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Yeah. Just a little bit. But but I'll be fine. Don't keel over on us here, man.
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I'll I'll give last rights here on the radio.
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I'll be fine. Just turn the spit a little faster.
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Uh-huh.
[00:03:02] Unknown:
And I'll I'll And you'll do good. Okay. Shortly. Well, good morning, audience. All of you that may be listening somewhere or the, folks here in the forum as you most of you probably know, the show is not for you really. It's for new folks, but we, usually don't are not, have onslaughts of new students with thousands of questions, so that doesn't happen too often. We occasionally have one or two. And, of course, it shows for them. So if there's any of you folks that have questions or whatever you want answered, ask them here at the first and and, maybe we can take, the subject on through the rest of the program today.
So I'll give you a second. You gotta hit star six, I believe, is to unmute yourself. And if you're one of those folks, we don't bite. We're here for you. We're here on Saturday for you.
[00:03:59] Unknown:
So, if there's not, and it doesn't appear that there are,
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all you have to do is hit star 6 and say Roger, and we'll recognize you.
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No. No. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. None of those folks. Crickets. Okay.
[00:04:15] Unknown:
Sounds like crickets. Then we can plunge off into other stuff. Paul, there seems to be a resurgence here. I got two different emails from two different states. Or dealing with two different states on property tax. One of them was Texas and a fellow that drove all the way from Dallas, Fort Worth down to four hours to Houston to talk to some representative. That's about as far as I got in the video, and, it's an interesting subject. Now the other one, I sent to you in an email. I forwarded it to you, Jeff, our old buddy student, who we don't see too often around here anymore, at least vocally, Jeff out of, Plano, Texas.
And, he sent this one about Tennessee. Now I forwarded it over there to you in an email. I don't know if you've had a chance with all your mopping activities and the other things that you're responsible for. If you've had a chance to get over there and look at that, it's very short, but I thought it was very significant. It's a, x, a little x x, or can't you think you can lay hands on that?
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I think I can. I think I can. I think I can. It's kinda like the little engine that could. Right? Yeah. Right.
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It's over there in your email box. A pretty good idea out of the Tennessee legislature, really. I would expect some of the other Southeastern states to follow in their lead. We'll see though. It's a contentious issue. I don't know that we had property taxes before March the ninth of nineteen thirty three. I've never really gone in and studied it. If remember, constitutionally, there's only two types of taxes, direct and indirect. And the direct tax, like, would be on your head, capitation, they call it. Mhmm. Capitation tax has to be apportioned if it's gonna be constitutional. See, this is where the IRS pulled an in run on this, and to fit in and mold in completely with the communist manifesto, of course.
But, the capitation taxes have to be apportioned by the constitution, and that's one of the reasons the census was formed at the founding of our country. Mhmm. Yeah. So that they can know and the capitation tax according to the census apportioned means that everybody pays the same amount. So a little state like Rhode Island versus a relatively big state like New York or Pennsylvania, if the congress came with a capitation tax and they had everybody to pay equal, then they had to work out the difference in the populations to the size of the state. And so that's what what that was there for.
I get what would a land tax like property tax be? See, that can't be federal and constitutional because I don't believe there is one. The the capitation taxes would be on the body. Those are body taxes. That's what capitation means, is head. It's a head tax. That's not land. That's you. And the other, one is, is an indirect tax, which is also called an excise tax. And those have to be uniform. Capitation taxes have to be apportioned, and and indirect taxes have to be uniform. Now that means that everybody pays the same. Again, So there's no differentiation. Nobody's paying more. It's not a a direct, progressive income tax. It's this indirect tax unless you use gas as a example. That's a federal tax and a state tax.
So if there's a gas station right there next to the Port Of Houston where, you know, a lot of energy comes in and out, The taxes are are let's say it's close to a refinery, that and there are those there, I believe. The, the tax is gonna be less than if you're out in the middle of Alaska, and they've gotta get one of those big trucks and and all the expense of carrying it and everything else. But wherever you buy that gas, the federal tax on it, and I guess the state tax too if there is any, There probably always is. Has to be the same. So you're gonna pay the same percentage in per in in relationship to the price of the gallon of gas on the interior of Alaska that you are next to the, refinery down in Texas.
And those are uniform extra excise taxes. So that's just the two types of taxes. Where does property tax fit in there, Paul? It's certainly not uniform because everybody's is different with the evaluation, and it's not capitation because that's on your body. It's not on the land. So where does this property tax thing fall?
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By contractual agreement. When you bought the property, you agreed to some to that,
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to an ad valorem tax. My suspicion is this all came out with the reorganization and the institution of the new system back in '33. I don't know that for sure. I've never studied it. A lot of people are interested in it, of course, if you own property, because of the scam that's going on right now, evidently. Hopefully, that stopped with the new the new sheriff in town. But, for the last four years, they've been going to the assessment board. And the assessment board is going in and assessing really high high ad valorem changes of the ad. Ad valorem means added value. Okay?
They're gonna add that value to your house, and they put it up instead of trying to see how much money they need for a budget for the year for the county, let's say. They've been taking the input from the other people like the fire department. Like, this is how much money we need. So it's kind of a reverse. It's going on. It was going on. Probably still is. Hadn't ended yet, I'm sure, around the country, and and they're going in and stealing people's houses by overvaluation. And and then once if you get in this in an area and they overvalue a a bunch of them, then those people can't afford it anymore. And they're gonna dump their houses on the market in a bad real estate market, by the way. And and now that's gonna drive the house price of houses down too many, too many available houses on the market in an area. So it's got some real vicious backlashes.
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I know. But,
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but it's been contentious, but I really think, that it came about after '33 would be my suspicion, Paul. What it will be And all the small hat buddies.
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Small hat buddies can't fly
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up those budget houses. Oh, let's go BlackRock and, you know, the remember, BlackRock, Vanguard. Hey. There's Mark. BlackRock, Vanguard, and State Street. Right? What what's what's notable about that? That there's three of them and they make a triangle and they're all interwoven and interwoven? Mhmm. Yeah. I guess so. Yeah. It's called sacred geometry. They follow it specifically, folks.
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When they do things like even set up that that little State Street BlackRock thing. Yes. We've got what? I know we got Mark. We've we've got we've got Mark, but give me just a moment. Let me push this button and see if this works. I don't know if this is going to
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You're pushing my buttons.
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Yeah. We're trying.
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We're trying.
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It's a it's a regular Saturday endeavor.
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Yeah. We'll just call them big, bold.
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Is this the is this the Tennessee thing? We did? Is that the Tennessee thing?
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Yeah. I'm working on it. Okay. We,
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It's very short. It's just very I thought Tennessee is really leading the way here. I think this is a great idea. Well, they got they got Catherine Austin Fitz
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talking to the legislators up there. She's kinda trying to help steer them too.
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Right.
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Right. Okay. Let's see if this works now.
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Tennessee just absolutely set the standard, and here is why. They just announced that from this point forward, anybody that was affected by hurricane Helene will no longer pay property tax as well as anyone that has been affected by hurricane Helene. The property tax that they have paid thus far on that property will be refunded with a 30% kicker on top of it for their rebuilding moving forward. And by god, that is the standard. North Carolina, where you at? California, Florida. I don't know what y'all's tax code is, but y'all should definitely be doing this. And in reality, there shouldn't be property tax at all because that is actually just the government leasing you your shit.
So property tax is definitely unconstitutional, but we'll get to that. But for now, Tennessee, absolutely coming through in the clutch. Y'all stay blessed. Go Vols.
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Go Big Orange. I think that's a good idea, and I hope the rest of the states would follow it. We're gonna see a lot of innovation here as we go forward in the new Trump America. And, my gosh, it's something whose time has come. He's also, believe it or not, believe it or not, Paul, what's being floated is nationalizing the Federal Reserve Bank. Have you heard that? Cool.
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Yeah. Well, the property tax thing is constitutional because it's covered under the no. No. Let me let me finish. Okay. The property tax is constitutional because it's covered under the commerce clause, and it's voluntary. You don't wanna pay property taxes, don't buy a house. You don't wanna pay, alcohol or tobacco taxes, don't smoke, don't drink. You don't wanna pay gas or taxes on gasoline, walk. Damn it. They're voluntary.
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They're called sin taxes. Those two of those you mentioned, and I don't know that owning a home or wanting to is a sin. I think that Bob Morgan's terminology here is very appropriate. It's not unconstitutional. It's extra constitutional under a bankruptcy.
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I don't know that for sure. I'm just guessing. Okay? What what does that mean? That means it's lawful under the commerce clause or legal under the commerce
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clause? Because you can decide not to buy a house. No. No. It's a it's legal under the fact that they've taken ownership of the entire country, including you, and they can do these sorts of things in that capacity.
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That's theft and fraud.
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Enrico The hell the whole damn thing's theft and fraud, Paul. What's new?
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Hold on. The sixteenth amendment, which was supported by the Supreme Court, US Supreme Court under Pollock versus Farmers Loan and Trust
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Company. Sixteenth amendment wasn't in in place then?
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No. But it came afterwards, so it over cracked this. And so the sixteenth amendment passed in 1913. Bear with me. I just lost my place here. Supposedly. But it it allows It supposed Sixteenth amendment? Oh, it it supposedly
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was ratified
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in 1913. Well, that's a whole different argument. But the sixteenth amendment authorized congress to lay and collect taxes on incomes from whatever source derived without apportionment among the several states. Furthermore, the court in Pollock had had that a tax on income derived from property was indistinguishable from tax on property itself. The court later rejected that reasoning in Stanton versus Baltic Mining Company, upholding an unapportioned tax on a mine's income as being not a tax upon property as such, but a true excise levied on the results of the business of carrying on mining operations. Now that that really didn't affect our real estate, you know, question.
But apparently, out of the sixteenth amendment and The US, Supreme Court's, decisions, they believe they have the right to to tax our real estate that we personally own.
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Well, it should be a state deal, not a federal deal. That's all kind of state oriented, isn't it? Well, not if the states are sub political divisions of the federal government. Okay. But the function of it is all internal. I mean, isn't it really in property tax honestly to support your local community for fire department and schools and roads and all that other stuff. Isn't that what it really is for?
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Yeah. But in Oklahoma, sixty percent of it goes to school. Go to education of some form. Or miss education. And then I don't know if Joe up north in the great White North Of Oklahoma, we're gonna have, like, five days of subzero temperatures or I should say subfreezing. Five days straight will never get above 32 degrees. But if Joe in Oklahoma's listening, he could also explain how, not only are they raising the assessments of property, but they're somehow able to, adjust, like, the millages or the something to do with the ad valorem.
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Yeah. It's a it's it's the board that goes in and does all that, I believe. I I I don't remember what they call it. But the the board and that's where the monkey is, is they're not setting their projections and their ad valorem differences in stone. They're not going, we need this. They're going and asking these different departments what do they need, and they're taking their budgets. To help commute the ad valorem rise is my understanding, Mark. You you got it. So,
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the some of the stories that that first come out, Joe, you know, showing me that, and it and it hit the Internet big. I forget the gentleman who was sharing this. I think he was out of Texas. But he discovered that all these different, like, county departments were putting their budgets together, and then that total budget was sent to the county assessor and the, treasury county treasurer and the assessor, and they would up the assessment of the home so they could cover their desired budgets for the next following year. Yep. Yep. And and let me interrupt you. There's an administrative
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appeal in here and everybody that does the administrative appeal gets turned down.
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Right. Right. So yeah. Something needs to be done about this. And and I think our governor, Stitt, who's really kinda two faced in my opinion, he, supporting supporting the green energy movement and our farmers are losing farmland up in Northern Oklahoma. They got a 12 mile wide corridor that they just wanna hand over to the to these green energy companies that were funded under Biden. And we're rich in oil and natural gas. And we're not building a single natural gas, energy plant anywhere. As a matter of fact, we've shut down two clean burning coal powered energy plants and we didn't replace them with anything other than, you know, wind and solar. And they went up at a big solar farm, which is your big solar panels on the ground and that causes all kinds of problems.
So, but anyway, at one point, I think Stitt talked about, he was wanting to do away with the state income tax, and maybe was was hinting it maybe it could be also done with property tax. So you just have to find out a different way to collect tax, and then that spread out usually evenly among the products that you purchase.
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I don't believe that the property tax would be held in such a disrepute by the property owners if it went so damn high.
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Well, yeah. It's it's ridiculous.
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I mean, I don't know if I told you this or if you were you're probably sick, but my friend Walt here who has a nice three story apartment, and, he said, hey. This is for your audience back here a couple weeks ago. And he said, I paid my property tax today. You know how much his property tax was for annually?
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Where's he at?
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He's here.
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Oh, but what where where is the property at? You come up with the property taxes. Here. Here. The property taxes here at his apartment. I have no idea.
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$70.
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Oh, my goodness.
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For the entire
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year. Wow. Wow.
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You wouldn't object to paying that, would you?
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Not at all.
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Okay. Not at all.
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That's like he was when he was redoing his top floor a while back, some of the original stuff had kinda gotten because it's open. It gotten white rain and and and rot. You know? And it was wood, and he was replacing it with steel and, and and then another covering. And he went to buy these steel bars to do that. Right. And, they were $36 apiece, I think. And he pray he got home. He said, well, I wonder what those would cost in The US. It's like over $300 apiece.
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Oh,
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crazy. Crazy. Yeah. Well, there's Well, I know my mom and dad, you know, they live on five acres. And they have a twenty year old home that was modern, you know, for its time. Still is. And their their average, I think the last property tax I saw, it was around 1,200 or $1,300. That's still a lot of I mean, per
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year. That's not bad. That's not bad, really.
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Oh, but, you know, it's but, again, you take states like Texas where they don't have a state income tax, they get you with the property tax. So the property tax on those are the ones that's that float help float a majority of of the state income tax that's not being collected.
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Texas is is one of the there's five or six states that don't have state income tax. Florida's one. Alaska's one, I believe. Tennessee.
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Tennessee. Tennessee. Uh-huh. Who who are the other? South Dakota. Texas.
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I was I didn't know Texas was in there. I didn't know Not very many, though. Just just a few. No. And, of course, Florida handles theirs on the tourism. They tax the tourists.
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There you go.
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So, anyway, I just thought that was kind of an interesting and novel approach from Tennessee on hurricane victims to kinda give them a hand in a bad spot and give them back. Yeah. Stop them from paying property taxes, but what do you say give them back what they've paid in plus 30% or something?
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Yikes. Yeah. That's awesome. Helping them out. Mark? By the way, we missed three. Nevada.
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I I should have known that. I wondered about Nevada. The gambling probably takes up that slack there.
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And then Washington state and then Wyoming.
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Wyoming. Washington state has no income tax?
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That's what it says.
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Those bandits? Those bandits? I mean, they're bandits up there.
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Yeah. It doesn't impose a corporate income tax either. So, you know, that Ah. That's why corporations like to locate up there like Microsoft.
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Uh-huh. Yeah. Well, he's okay. Yeah. Starbucks.
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I think, Amazon's up there too. Yeah. And those when they relocate, they go to another state that doesn't have a state income tax. Well, of course.
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Now, Mark, I don't know if you know this, but years ago, one of the things I did for a couple years in this arena was work with a guy named Dean Allen out of Texas, actually. And he had been taught by another guy how to get through the IRS maze for corporations. They've set up a trail for themselves in the regulations. Have you ever heard that conversation before? I don't know. Interesting. Totally legal, and, by the IRS regs. And in fact, to to the extent that he was helping a client who had been charged with failure to file. And Uh-huh. He wasn't an attorney. He just helped him. You know? And, they ran an IRS informer in there on him and and taped the whole conversation because he did a FOIA for the guy's, stuff, and he and they sent the transcripts of the conversation.
So Oh, wow. This is legit, from IRS and what you do now this is right when LLCs were first starting to come in in the nineties. And there he he he used partnerships to at the head end rather than LLCs because there was only about half the states had passed legislation on them, and there was no real Right. Court track record on them yet. You know? And so he would head up the your company. Let's say, well, I can tell you one of his clients had a cemetery in, Charleston. And, so what you do is you put that entity into a partnership, general partnership limited. I I I think it's general we used.
And then he would go down, and he used to use Panama because Panama had no central registry of corporations. They had what's bearer bearer corporations in essence. And so he was working with law firms down there, and, they would take these corporations and form them and put them up on a shelf, or they'd write you one if you wanted a specific name. But you'd go down there and you'd buy your first corporation. Remember I said they're bearer bonds and they have no central registry. So as opposed to, yeah, an attorney wants to go in The US and they wanna sue you and they take your Social Security number and plug it in and all all these assets pop up. You know? Right. Well, you don't have that in Panama because there's no central registry.
So whoever holds the paper holds the corporation. K? If I sell it to Mark, I get Mark's cash, and he's got the corporation. But there's no change in registry anywhere. Right. And so what you do is you buy that one, and then you'd make it one of the limited partners in The US side. Mhmm. K. Now that being IRS lingo is termed effectively connected. Those two are connected, one to the other. Oh, really? Then you'd buy a third one and attach it to the second one. So you take your funds, you'd move them to the second corporation, and then move them to the third. At that point, they're not effectively connected because there's no direct connection, and you bring the money back into The States just clean. You gotta keep up. You gotta go buy some corporations, and you gotta keep up with whatever requirements, annual meetings, or whatever that may be.
But, that is the way the corporations do it. That's why things like Apple have all this stuff in Ireland.
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Okay? Right.
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And all over the place. And that's how they're doing. It's totally 100 legitimate and legal by the IRS itself. Okay? Which probably it doesn't appear is gonna be around too much longer, Mark.
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Well, we'll see. But I tell you what, this is, I I I kinda hate to hear that because, you know, our our message resonates so well with people who are sick of taxes. And now that that's gone, you know, they Well, it's not gonna be asleep at the wheel and not realize that they're still under the thumb of a a federal government.
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Of course. Well, see, that's where our message becomes so important because we sever the whole damn thing. Okay? And and there's none of this wishy washy crap. It's unfortunate in a sense. I never thought I'd say that. I never thought you'd hear that coming out of my mouth. It's unfortunate in a sense, but we don't know that's a foregone conclusion either. I I I think the, the other side, the bankers, I I think they're in shell shock. You know, like, they're they're having PSD right now. Okay?
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Because it's all happening so fast. They nationalized the fed. Oh my gosh.
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Oh, it's incredible. Well, he did something that just devastated the basis of the whole new world order this week, which is this big tariff deal he did. Are you aware of that, Mark?
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It used to rip the whole world. All kinds of terrorist stuff flying around.
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Well, he with that equalization, he totally ripped apart the World Trade Organization. That's the basis of their whole deal. When they got all these unequal agreements with different countries, like they were given the cars. And the reason the cars, into Europe are so expensive because they they they have a higher tariff than we do. Ours is two and a half percent on their cars. I think theirs is 5% or more. And on top of that, they lay in a VAT tax on top of it, which is equal to 39% between the two of them. Well, that's what Trump went in the other day. He said, no more. Okay?
And and it's so slick what they did to take all these inequalities out of tariffs. Remember that remember who's this is in the Bible, the merchants of the earth. What do they do? They trade. This is the basis of everything. Okay? And, so what he did was come in and said whatever tariffs you're charging us, we're gonna charge you back. So you just keep doing whatever. It'll be fine, but we're just gonna equalize everything out in one easy formula. We don't have to go do negotiations. We don't have to do boom. Done. Neutron bomb.
Boom. Done.
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I'm surprised they haven't tried to come back and say, well, this violates this treaty. But now I'm wondering if any of those treaties were ever properly passed.
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Well, it's a treaty we can back out of and and then make this reciprocal agreement with everybody. I mean, look, these guys, Trump and this cadre, they are smart. They are really approaching this. They're not going through congress and see here's Trump's coming. They know he's coming. They know he's gonna get sworn in. They can't stop it, but they're thinking in their old way of having to go through congress and get this and get that. And Trump and meh and must go in, find a dormant agency that was set up by Obama to to go in and do exactly what they're doing, except as it pertains to Obamacare.
And they're just pulling that thing out and running rampant through the through the village. You know? I I mean, they they they they're in shell shock. I'm telling you. They fired a bunch of IRS employees yesterday, I believe. Cool.
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Cool.
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I was listening to the replay of, Harrison on, on Infowars. There's a great YouTube or excuse me, great rumble channel called General Shepherd. And there's, like, one's fake and the other one's real. The one's got more followers is real. But if you find that channel, every day, he takes all the programs from Infowars, and he edits them down to cut out all the commercials. And then if you played at, like, one and a quarter speed, you can get through that a lot quicker than having to listen to a full two or three hour show. Or I think I think,
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Alex does what? Three or four hours? That's crazy. He does four, and each of the others on the bookends do three. And I gotta tell you what, I get aggravated at Alex sometimes. I mean, I he look. He's big contributor to this movement. He's done great things. He doesn't copyright any of his material. He is listener supported. He's not taking USAID payments, and all that. I just get I I you know, sometimes he here. Let me I got this great guest. He's the authority in the world on this subject, and he brings them on and he won't let him talk. He keeps interrupting them. Okay? I mean, you bring them on, you build them up, and then you go talk over them all the time. Well, it makes me aggravated, but I try to understand. But I'm gonna tell you one thing. He is a really good judge of talent. And folks, what you can't imagine.
I've been listening to this guy before any of y'all ever even heard his name. Back when he was poking around McDillorff Air Force Base down in Tampa on the outside of the fence, That was probably in '93, '90 '4, something like that. I don't even think he got he started Infowars until '96 or '7. Do you know you rebuilt Waco, Mark?
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No. I didn't know that.
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I mean, here's Mark. He's been around Alex Jones, when he was on the air before it was Infowars when he was still on that, PBS station there, he was getting his message out somewhere because I was listening to him all the time. He would take up he set up an account at Lowe's outside of Waco, and he would get on the air to audience, help us rebuild Waco. He'd take contributions so they can get materials, and he'd go over and drive over to Waco from Austin every weekend, and people would gather there, and they rebuilt the Waco church. You never hear that.
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Yeah. You're not talking about Waco owned by the city. You're talking about the Branch Davidians.
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I'm talking the branch Davidians. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. Well, you kept saying Waco. So for Well, I did that or yeah.
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Audience members who might not understand, you know, we're talking about, David Koresh and the branch de Vienne. Branch de Vienne. The federal government used military on Right. Un illegally, period. And so he went and helped rebuild it. I did not know that he helped rebuild the church.
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He was involved in one of the big black hop, black helicopter ops down in Corpus Christi. And they called all that out and brought publicity to it. Yep. Yep. All the rest of the stuff for y'all, you you never even heard of the guy. Then he gets on there and he gets the Infowars thing, and he starts having these forty eight and seventy two hour blitzkriegs asking for donations so they could build the TV studio. So that's where that whole TV studio came. He at one point had 80 employees over there. And I I look at it and I think of me, and I put myself in his place. I go, god, I don't know if I could have done that over all these years, all the pressures, everything he's been through. Oh, you know, you want 80 headaches a day? Go get yourself 80 employees.
Okay?
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Yeah. Exactly.
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You know, on top of He's got some he's got a backbone made out of steel for sure. I mean, you you wanna talk about big balls? There's big balls right there. Yeah. Yeah. Big hairy balls. What put both of them together? Okay. I mean, the guy is phenomenal.
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I, I first heard Alex, back in either 2010, '20 '11. I just moved back to Oklahoma, and, there was a pirate radio station that I could catch. And, didn't know it was pirated at the time, and just through a course of acquaintances, I actually met the the guys that were running it and actually got to see the tower. Was that was that was that a little FM? A little, under 10 k FM? Yes. Okay. Exact well, I think they were pushing that even. So Okay. Well, that's And, you know, they were getting harassed by the FCC and threatened all kinds of, like, we're gonna throw you in jail if you don't stop broadcasting and so forth. So unfortunately, they didn't own the land that they were broadcasting from and the land owners finally caved. They got scared and, you know, when they when they threatened to take their land, then, oh, you gotta get your equipment out of here. So but they had a really cool setup.
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While I'm thinking about it, late least it drift away and may not grasp it again. Is there anyone on the show from Flathead County out there? You know, Gina cut in at the end of a program just recently, and Gary's back in the hospital with the same stuff as before, and we haven't gotten any kind of updates. And I was thinking about it laying in bed last night. If, put out a a call. If anybody is there that knows anything, please let us know. Or if you've got connection with Gina, if you could get her to call in again and give us an update. And we send Gary our prayers.
One of the old old time listeners around here, folks. Good guy. I've been studying this for many decades, and just like with Mark and, you others, when you stumble across this information, you're like Tom Dee. I've been looking for this for forty years.
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K. Yeah. There you go. It it still cracks me up. I wanna circle back to Harrison. I had a thought on that. And and Trump just, like, scorching earth. You know? I was listening to the show and he was talking about the different things that Trump was doing and so forth and and and just how, like, you know, it's on. They they're cleaning house. You know? This is the draining of the swamp, people. This is the draining of the swamp. And I realized something, Roger. I I was like, you know, had Trump not had a four year break in tariffs I agree. I know what you're saying. Into office, this would not have happened.
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And we would not have seen how severe the other side is to the left to the point where it would wake up vast numbers of Americans. It's a blessing. Right. If he would have gone from the first to the second turn seem seamlessly, he would never have learned these lessons, folks. He would never come back this vindictiveness. Do you know what's on the wall in the Oval Office, Mark? No. His mugshot.
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Fraying. Reminder.
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Framed.
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Constant reminder. Oh, praying. Framed. When you said mug shot, I thought you meant the mug mug shot of when they they arrested him. It is.
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In Georgia. It it is. Oh, wow. Framed.
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It's framed on the wall. Oh, framed. I'm sorry. I thought you said praying. My my mistake. Oh, framed. So it's framed on the wall. A daily constant reminder of what they did to him. So now it's not it's this is not vengeance. It's not retribution. It's called accountability.
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It's called justice and accountability.
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Yep. Absolutely. Absolutely. So I kinda realized yesterday that stolen election was a godsend. We got to see, like you said, the contrast of the the radical left and the Biden regime all the way down to the very last day that he was pardoning all these criminals, Nancy Pelosi, all of those criminals that he was, you know, Chuck Chuckie Schumer, all of them were getting, pardons which are that's totally unlawful and I hope they're fighting that. You can't preemptively give somebody a pardon when they haven't been found guilty of a crime. That's called immunity. Yes. So Trump's been called out of
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they've opened up a case against him. They made the announcement. He's under investigation.
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Who who is?
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Schumer. Biden?
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Oh, good. Schumer. Good. Yeah. Well, they'll they'll they'll challenge any partner because I don't think the I could be wrong, but I don't think the president of The United States has the authority to grant immunity.
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No. You know why? The preemptive keep nobody's ever well, nobody's ever done it before, but the reason it's never been done is because you're setting up like Biden and his buddies on the side. Well, here, I'm gonna let you do all this crime right now, and then I'm gonna pardon you before you get charged. Right. Well, that that shouldn't be even a feasibility. Was somebody trying to say something there a minute ago? I mean, Mark has already dominated it. Conversation, so, nobody's interrupting. So I just wanted to pause and make sure we you can't hardly get a word in edgewise otherwise. Yes, sir. Please.
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I just unmuted out here. This is Bob. I was still trying to get a hold of you, Mark. I don't know what's going on. I've
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I've Well, you know, you wanna talk emails. You wanna talk by telephone, and my time is very limited. I mean, you wanna talk over the phone, and my time is very limited as far as being available on the phone.
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So Okay. Well, it would be nice to at least get an acknowledgment that you're not willing because I have gotten zero reply. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome.
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I just everybody wants to talk to me, and I just don't have the hours in the day to be talking to me. What y'all don't understand is Mark takes care of his elderly parents too.
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And one of them falls, and he's trying to take care of them and the other one falls. You know, that kind of thing.
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So I got a question.
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Okay, please.
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Mark, so, if we pay 750, we can ask all the questions we want. Right?
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Not here.
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Well, no. Not here. Not your partner. No. Well, yeah. Well, you're paying for his time then.
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Yeah. I'm not talking about here. I'm talking about your court.
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The the what? But you're not talking about your private membership. Yeah. The Yes. Yes. Yes. If we join your private membership, we can ask all the questions we want. Right? Related to trust and maybe a little bit of court stuff, but yes. Okay. And and how it relates to a national.
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Okay. Thank you.
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Yeah. That's not a problem. I mean, we're gonna be having classes on on our our legacy trust club, and I'll be holding holding those. I'll do some teaching, and then we'll open it up for questions and answers. And I'll do my best to answer every question. And if I can't answer it, I'll go and find out what the answer is. So, and it's gonna be recorded. So thank you, Sketch. I appreciate you, bringing that up. But Oh, not a problem. Not a problem at all.
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It's my pleasure, and, it's always lovely to talk to you. But Oh, well, thank you. If I have to ask questions about trust, I'll I'll join your
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your private member association. Thank you, Mark. Alright. Pre you're welcome. Appreciate that. I mean, we had a pretty good I thought about just taking, last Saturday show and just replay it as my first, webinar because there was a lot of good questions about trust and how they operate and so forth. So
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but And it's a subject that most people know virtually nothing about, and they don't understand it. He I heard, Brent describe it as a one way contract or something to that effect. I thought that was very interesting. K? It's the grantor putting in the property into the trust. So, anyway, Bob.
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Well, yeah. Yeah. I guess you could say that. I that's one way of looking at it. Yeah. It is. Yeah. I thought it was kinda interesting.
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Right. Yeah. And it's one way. So, anyway, that's available to us. We're gonna make some other stuff available. Mark's got a, for anybody that's in debt, they stumbled on something that can really, really accelerate you, give you a lot of choices on how to get yourself out of that condition. I guess we'll talk about that at some point here in the future if I'll ever get off. I'm real good at procrastinating. And I excel at it. Okay? And, I've I've I've polished it throughout my entire life. Sometimes it benefits you, and sometimes it bites you. Okay? I've had both. But I'm gonna get on.
Alex has opened up an affiliate program. Do you know about this, Mark? I heard you talk about it. There's something Well, it's the first year, and I just hadn't gotten over there yet. And, because I don't want our program to be about money, but these are valid services. And this one's exceptional because I know Alex goes out of his way to finance his broadcast and do everything with really high quality supplements and other items. And what he's done is he set up an affiliate program. And so Right. I'm I need to get over there and sign up for it. But this is the deal on that. It's kind of stunning, really.
They give you 10% of the gross purchase. Wow.
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That's unheard of.
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It is unheard of, folks. So 10% of the gross purchase and, all you do is promote him and his vitamins and all this stuff and give them more exposure and hopefully more cash coming in because he's going after all these bastards down. The the the the the the tide has turned and even though they might have been going after him in the past, he's beat him at every turn. And now he's turning around getting information from the inside, and he's gonna go after their asses. But as he says, it takes money to do that. He's got fine attorneys. You know?
So what if you've been buying from Alex, here's the deal. I'll just I'm not gonna dwell on it all the time. I'll put a link on the website. When I give go sit down and go get my affiliate link. And if you guys have been buying any of Alice's Alex's excellent products, I mean, he's got excellent products just bar none, you know. And, then you just go through our link and buy and then we'll get the 10%. If you've not ever been buying Alex's products, he just had another one yesterday I've never heard of. She Shitite, I believe it's called.
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Shetite, something like that. Have you ever
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should've what it should be? She
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legit. She legit. Sheila Jet.
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Well, that may be it right there. Hell, I never heard of this stuff before. But it's this, stuff that Too quick. I think go ahead, Sketch.
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I think Oh,
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Oh, it's one of those that everybody just mentioned. Okay? I'm totally unfamiliar with it, but this is some kind of pure stuff that he said, I've been known about this for thirty years, at least ahead of me. Yeah. And, we we never offered it because we never could find it. He didn't have heavy heavy metals in it. And so he's found this supply and not only from their labs, but he went and gave it to Mike Adams. And Mike Adams ran through his spectrometers. He says totally 100% clean. And so that's a brand new product. It was just issued yesterday. I think first time I've heard him talk about it. So the those kind of products, the the Irish seaweed stuff that's got all 90 minerals in it, n iodine, and, just clothing and knives and all these things that Alex has. Well, y'all have all access to that. It can help us. It helps Alex. It helps us, and it'll help you. So it's really a good deal and just need to get off my rear end and go get that link and Paul put it on the site and we can talk about it. But here, as opposed to me having to go out and hunt up some kind of supplements and stay on top of it, emails and phone calls and shopping carts and all that crap, I'll just tag right on to Alex. She does all that for us. Has excellent products.
Yes.
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Paul sells that very product, and it's the purest he could find.
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Who does Paul? Our Paul?
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Mister Paul Biener. I'm not gonna call him by that? He has a name that you disrespected him yesterday with, but, yes, Paul Biener.
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That's a joke. Come on. Paul, do you have a you have that product? See, I don't even know about that. Is he off mopping or doing something? Probably mopping, but he says that he's not gonna be on that. Well, see, you know, a lot of people have the same product. That's just one of all the stuff he's got. Okay? So anyway, it's just a way that we could help him from some of you that don't, purchase stuff from him that might look into that and do that and and to help us too. So I thought it was a real brilliant move on the part of his people that are working with him now at Arkansas. And, that's the AlexJonesstore.com site. So one of these days we'll be mentioning it more.
If you don't wanna do it, don't do it.
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K? Hey, Roger. Yeah. Another thing that I think, when he brought in Chase Geyser, Chase is incredible social media marketing guru. He was making a whole lot of money, and Alex offered him, like, an entry level pay. And he went ahead and took it. And he said, I think within two months, Alex saw his value and raised him up to where he was at. And I think he's probably still making even more money. Chase only comes on I think once a week, like Sunday evening. I just the guy is super sharp. Cammy. And, so I I have a feeling that Chase is kinda guiding him through some of these, like, affiliate marketing and so forth. And normal affiliate marketing on this on that type of product, you might make two or 3%, but Right. Of of the gross, but not 10%.
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That's just unheard of. It's a I was shocked when I heard him say it. And the other thing I wanted to say about Alex is from my years in broadcasting. K? He is a really good judge of talent. Chase Geyser, Owen, and Harrison. And I I just like all three of them. They're all three different. They got different styles, different deliveries and stuff, but they're he's a real good judge of talent. And he and you can't ignore that because it's right in front of you.
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Quite frankly. I really like Harrison's delivery. It's really He It's smooth. It's on point. He And he has a little levity and, you know, it's just it's not the overtop like, it's not that pro wrestling thing that Alex does constantly. I can only listen to so much of Alex.
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You know? Yeah. Me me too.
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So I just I kinda tune out of Alex Yeah. Just because of that.
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I end up yelling at the monitor, you know. Alex, shut up. But now you can't ignore it because, like, yesterday, he had on, oh, the, the guy that used to work for BlackRock and all that. Now his name escapes me. But, lives out in Hawaii. The real real bright guy. Golly, my I tell you, getting old. I have no idea. Anyway Ed Dowd. Ed Dowd. Thank you, Julian. He is sharp as about attack. Okay? And you don't wanna miss those kind of guests even though Alex interrupts them off the damn time. Gosh. I get aggravated at him. So, anyway, he's built a he has built something. I mean, folks are getting a hundred plus million viewers a day on some of this stuff. Well,
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plus he did a membership. So you can sign up Yes. For $30 a month. That help that's like that's like Walmart Prime, Amazon or Amazon Prime, Walmart Plus, all these companies that have this monthly thing. And so what they do is they apply I forgot how much of that goes towards your next product purchase. So if you purchase a product on a yeah. So you get $10 off on your products, and they got a bunch of other benefits for that. And so now you've got steady income coming in, and you're not just like, oh, gosh. I hope we can make another cycle of of, paying bills and and payroll, you know, and taxes.
So, hey, I wanna circle back to two things, Roger. First off, I do owe Bob an apology. I thought I'd email him back. I did highlight, his Wednesday email, Bob. And I've had you know, I was trying to get around to replying to that. I just didn't get it done. So I've been like I said, I got my hands full. And then secondly, you know, if if you got access to email, you could, you know, type in a little bit about, you know, if you got a computer at least, type in a little bit of what you're wanting to discuss or just ask me your question. I get people that do that all the time. I I may not answer immediately, but I do try to respond to those. But if you're wanting to talk to me on the phone, it just takes up so much of my time.
And and then I get, you know, I get to hear all the story for it. And, I'll give you an example. We have a gentleman who's we have a gentleman who's in the middle of an appeal who got referred to me, and they wanna talk to me. And they wanna tell me their whole entire story. And I'm like, well, how about if you just send me the complaint of the lawsuit that was filed against you? And let me read through that first. And they wouldn't send it. And I said, oh, just please send me I asked twice, and and they refused to send it. I said, well, I can't help you. You know, if you if you can't just, you know, help me out, help you out by sending me one document,
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then I, you know, I'm I can't help you. So Yeah. Y'all gotta remember, please. Mark got sick. When would when I'll get you a second, Merkel. When when'd you get sick? In December? Well, yeah. It was in December, and it let us Oh, hell. I thought we're gonna have to give the guy hospital. I thought we're gonna have to give the guy his last rights, for god's sake. I mean, he's just coming out of that. Okay? So have a little patience. Yes, Marca.
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Hey, Roger. So, Good morning. Jerry was. Hi. Good morning. He went into the hospital, and then he got discharged on Monday. He's doing better. Fantastic. He's asking us to keep him in his prayers.
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Okay. Thank you, Marica, for that update. Yep. Gary and Gina are good friends and Pray for him. Folks, what they've done out there in Flathead County, Montana, they got the biggest group of nationals in the country out there. 50 plus people coming and meeting on Monday nights once a week. No they're nowhere else in the country.
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They didn't even close to that. Yes. So what's the good news? Yep. We need to send them Roger, we need to send them, pray a lot lots of prayers and lots of positive vibes so
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we, you know, gets better. Please, everybody.
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Do that. Keep them in your prayers, Gary and Gina in Kalispell, Montana. Who had an update there with some good news?
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Well, I know Gary and Gina, I guess, for whatever time, you know, they pretty much had to cancel their their regular meetings. But there were some other nationals in the other in that area that I happen to be talking to, and they're gonna pick it up. They just said it's so valuable to get a group together and discuss whatever, you know, is on the table. And, so they're they're going to well, and also you got newcomers. You know, they they reach out to people saying, well, come over here and listen to the presentation and ask your questions, whatever. You know? So they've been a tremendous source for their community for promoting the national citizenship status.
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Yeah. See, the the reason that's so important is because, of what doctor Robert Livingston said years ago, one of the founders of the, League of the South in his speech, and he said, after the Civil War, evidently, county states can no longer secede, but counties can. And so that caught my ear. I got the guy that got me that talk, and he had a relationship with doctor Livingston, even though he was quite elderly at the time, hard of hearing. And he goes, oh, yeah. That. We know so much more since then. It's kind of like what you we'd say around here, you know. But what happened was after the Civil War, they took one county of Virginia and formed West Virginia.
And that still is applicable. And I know that for a fact because here a couple of years ago when they had a Democratic governor up there and he was trying to screw with the guns, and they had a big statewide movement to the state house or his house or something, whole bunch of people showed up with arms. And that night on Tucker Carlson, he had a West Virginia legislator that would as a guest, he said, well, if any of those counties over there in Virginia wanna join us, just contact me. So, evidently, they can still do that unilaterally change states.
So if that's a precedent, Gary's got something that could fill that precedent. Now I believe it has to be go through congress and all the rest of the stuff, but that's the best stronghold we've got, Flathead County, Montana. Yeah. And Gary and Gina have built that. Okay? Yep. So our prayers to you. And, Gary, we love you both. Okay? So thank you, Myrca. Thank you very much. That's my pleasure. You're welcome. Yes. Well, there's Larry. Hey, Larry.
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Hey. Good afternoon. You started the show out with talking about direct taxes and indirect taxes. Correct? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. That's correct. Right. And they're the only two taxes that are constitutional, correct?
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Correct.
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All right. First of all, who was the gentleman in the recording that was placed at the beginning of the show? Buddy,
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Jeff program.
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Hey. I don't know. It was a little excerpt on on x that, Jeff our buddy, Jeff, had sent me this morning.
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I don't know any more than that. Oh, so we don't we don't know what the, what the what it's called or who the person is?
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Well, I I'm I'm sitting Paul, you still got that open? Could you give us any identifying stuff on x there where Larry could go chase it down?
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Let's see.
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It's supposed I mean, was what's what he mentioned, the important points that you wanted to make, or is there a lot more depth in reporting? Well, I think it's a very novel approach on a very contentious
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issue of of being able to go in. The people that were affected by the natural disaster, like in your area, you ought to be all over. The the the Santos on this, they get all the I I assume the property tax they've paid in plus 30% more and, to rebuild their home that was destroyed by the hurricane. I think it's a brilliant idea.
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Okay. So on under direct tax, I was looking that up, right after you had started talking about it. And on this particular website that I was reviewing, and I don't say I necessarily agree with this, because I know you certainly won't, but it says that a direct tax includes income tax, property tax and taxes on assets. And then you said, when you started talking about this, that how can it include property taxes and then you gave a reason and said something about how can the amount has to be even?
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The tax is on the property. It's not on you. A direct tax is on you. They they are called capitation taxes. Go look that up. Capitation taxes, a head tax, and they've got to be equal. That's what the Constitution said. That's why the census one of the reasons the census was started so that should there be a capitation tax, that that everybody would pay the same amount. Now this is a brilliant check and balance that was put into the system by the forefathers. And I and so let's look at it this way. Let's say that congress passes a capitation tax, Larry, and it's $5 ahead. So we all got to go and pony up $5.
Right? It's lawful. It's constitutional. Well, the next year, they come and do another capitation tax, and it's $500. What do you think is gonna happen? Everybody in the country simultaneously is gonna stand up and say, what the hell are you people doing up there in Washington? It's a check and a balance.
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Is the capitation tax the same as the income tax?
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No. Income tax is a progressive income tax. It is on your body. That's the unconstitutionality of the income tax. It's a capitation tax, but it's not apportioned.
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Okay. Is the income tax that's described in the sixteenth amendment the same income tax that the IRS is trying to push on people?
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Yes. That's what they hang their hat on. Go through the Supreme Court and see how how many different things they come up with. They can't even agree on what the frigging income is, Larry. The Supreme Court cannot agree on what the word income is. It's nebulous from the start, my friend. So that's why it's the first plank of the communist manifesto of progressive income tax. First or the second, one of the two,
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because they're not they're using it to
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they're using it to pay off the debt, and they're using it politically. They wanna punish you. They're gonna audit you. They're gonna while they're they're companies that are dumping shit in the waters and everywhere else, they just don't care. They don't even mention it. But, boy, if you're their competition and you're doing it, oh, that's one of the buzzards that's gonna be circling over you. See? It's also political.
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Do you agree with, taxes on assets being direct taxes
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as far as what this website? No. No. Larry. Larry. And the Larry. Their only direct tax is on your head.
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So as far as you know, there are no direct taxes that are in effect right now.
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Well, yeah, the income taxes, it's a direct tax that's extra constitutional because we're in bankruptcy.
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Okay. I thought you said, when you started the show off, that Congress when they do a direct tax, everybody's got to pay the same amount. So this thing that the IRS is trying to push, I mean, it depends your income tax depends on how much you make.
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Yes.
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And what deductions you've got. So it's not the same amount for everyone. It's a different amount.
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Correct. It's not constitutional. It's extra constitutional Under the bankruptcy. But the direct taxes are on the body. Period. They they're not on anything else to my knowledge. The others are exile. There's only two categories. Direct and indirect.
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Okay. So under the indirect, the same website was saying that this would include sales tax, tech size tax, and what they call a value added tax.
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Do you agree with that? Tax. Yeah. That's a VAT tax. That's what Europe uses. I had to deal with it over there when I was visiting, in Germany about eight or nine years ago. And, I bought a bunch of cell phone and some other stuff there inside the Eurozone, and I had to pay their VAT tax. The VAT tax is of do you know what it is? First of all, Larry,
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we have it here. No. I was gonna that's good. I have a chance to look it up.
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Okay. Well, it's a tax that's added at different stages of the manufacturing process. And the problem with it is it's not transparent. All of a sudden, you you here, when we, go out, everything here's got a 12% VAT tax on it. So when I'm gonna go out and meet, Mark, so with some of your fellow Oklahomans here for lunch, that live here. They're up in the mountains for a month, and gonna go meet them for lunch. And when I get this delicious steak and stuff, it'll have a 12% tax on it, plus a 10% service fee. So there's 22% of the bill is gonna be taxes and and tips.
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K? Right.
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Okay. Yeah. There's several people I wanna make sure we get covered with Larry. But that's the big, that's what they were saying about the cars and the taxes in Europe. They charge a 5% tariff twice as much as we charge them, and then they got something, another 19% or more is VAT taxes? Or you can't see where it comes from. All you do is get presented with a tax, a number. Capisce? Larry, are you there? Larry.
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He's he's probably dealing with a customer. Income tax is Saturday.
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I'm I'm here. I I was I was trying to do something.
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Income tax is equal.
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Income tax is a direct tax. That was the big problem with it all along from the from the people that opposed it. It's a direct tax and it's not a portion.
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Right. Well well, it is equal though. The amount, the amount of tax may be different, but the percentage of tax based on your income range, that is equal. There's
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deductions and all kinds of other stuff. So that's not true.
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But everybody has access to those deductions. Not everybody may have Well, not necessarily. Has access to
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Everybody doesn't have their own business in their own home where they can take all the home deductions and stuff. That's not true.
[01:09:18] Unknown:
Yes. But if they did have that, those deductions would be they would have access to them. Yeah. They don't have them, but they have access to them. Therefore, they are the same as IBM. They're the same as the mom and pop store down the block. They're paying the same percentage of tax A waste of percentage of tax as everybody else that makes the same 25 g's a year they make.
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Okay. The in progressive income tax is not equal. Okay? It's not equal. It differs on everybody. Percentages might be in some of this stuff, but it's not equal. And then it's not applied equally either because they have political applications of it. Roger. You know, they went they went and audited Alex. That was part of the harassment of him. And and you know what they found, Paul? IRS stroking him a check for 4 and a half million dollars. He'd overpaid that much. Then, of course, they would have He was trying to say Roger there.
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This is Sketch, and,
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I've come across some information that all Sketch, talk now. You're are you on speaker phone? Sketch, talk right in where we can hear you, please. Okay. Okay. Just a minute.
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Yes.
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Better. Thank you. My inform
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You bet. I'm sorry. It's come to, I think, some of us, the information that our residents is actually categorized as a business. Our homes are a business. So I just wanted to make that point.
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Well, I don't know I don't know about that. I've not heard that before. You know, I hate tax. I've not been out of it. The reason we're here on jurisdiction is because I hate the tax issue, but I learned a lot about it along the way. Okay? We didn't even mention it around here for years. Now we're back talking about it again.
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Well, it was news to me when I heard heard this that your residence is actually the reason they can tax you is because it is actually a business. Stop sketch. Talk right into the microphone. You you I am. I'm doing my best. I'm talking right into the microphone. Okay. That's better. That's better. You just said something.
[01:11:36] Unknown:
Your head, all you have to do is move your head just a little bit and it's not right into the microphone. It's hard hard to understand. Old man like I gotcha. Can you can you repeat that, what you just said a minute ago?
[01:11:48] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. I it is I'm very surprised, but I came in. I think it was from the guy from Florida. I don't know if it's been confirmed or not by anybody else, but when he got his, residence off the tax rolls, He said that his when he went down to the appraiser or the assessor that he confronted them and and realized that his property was actually registered as a business.
[01:12:22] Unknown:
Could be they might be doing that kind of shape. He also to do what he did, you gotta be a citizen of Florida and or a citizen of The United States or something. There was some kind of a requirement that was in there that he didn't understand, but we would. I never heard the interview, but from what you guys tell me about it. So I don't know. Is that Steve Emerson? I know this. Florida. I know this. Residence is a rebuttable presumption. I know that for sure, Sketch. Well, Mark, Mark and Paul both had something to say there.
[01:12:57] Unknown:
Well, I just that I had stepped away for a few minutes, but Steve Emerson is gentleman out of Florida that there's been some interviews on. And he claims that he found in there, I guess, either the constitution or their statutes that says if it's residential property, it cannot be taxed. He claims he went to his county, assessor and and had a sit down with them. And they they kept, like, talking in circles like, no. You know, it's not exempt. The dah dah dah dah. When he started quoting the statutes to them, then they dropped their head and realized he he knew what he was talking about and the assessor said, I'll take care of it. And then he said he kinda sat on pins and needles waiting for the tax bill, the property tax bill to come around that year and it never came to him. And he looked online and it didn't show that he owed anything.
And and so, he turned around. He stayed he he lived in the neighborhood that he grew up in, which is just Right. Kinda unusual. And all of his high school buddies, all his school friends that lived in that area, he helped them get off the tax rolls too according to him. Now so far, nobody's been able to confirm that. You know, you should be able to go to his county and look up his name and see if he's, you know, be able to pay tax or not. So There was some kind of a snag in there. He had
[01:14:21] Unknown:
to be a citizen of The United States or something. There was some conflict when I was told about it that I I didn't hear that. It seemed like it stuck up, but I don't remember. I did I did not hear that. All I heard was it's your residential property. So, like, if it's under your name, it's residential property.
[01:14:39] Unknown:
It's not taxable in Florida according to Steve Emerson.
[01:14:43] Unknown:
Well, Cheryl Would that mean would that mean resident hold on. Ho ho ho. Yes. You may in a second. Residential property means that he's residing on it, doesn't it? Correct. Correct. Well, then he's a citizen of The United States in indirectly.
[01:14:59] Unknown:
Well, I don't think The state wherein you reside.
[01:15:03] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, I'm sure it didn't. I'm sure it didn't. He didn't know about it. They don't know about it. Anyway, I thought that was a conflict to me. Julie, was that you, dear? No. Robbie. Robbie, good morning. Oh, okay. Cheryl. You sound just like her. Go ahead.
[01:15:23] Unknown:
I love you anyhoo, Raj. Cheryl from this call, if anyone recalls, lives there near there and hired him to do something, and it didn't pan out. I don't know if Cheryl is listening today, but, she went through, contacting him and paying him, and it never panned out. So I just wanted to remind you. Okay.
[01:15:48] Unknown:
I I didn't even hear any of the interviews or anything else. And, so,
[01:15:54] Unknown:
okay. I don't I don't know what to say about that, Robbie. Thank you. Same thing with Ron Gibson too. You know, we had a lot of people go through Ron Gibson's materials, and and they're still on the property roles. Daryl Wayne in Alabama, same thing. And Daryl Wayne Sharp. I mean, I I'm sure he followed the book to the t. You know? Without a doubt. He still wasn't successful in getting his property off the tax roll.
[01:16:18] Unknown:
It's, it's very difficult. Okay? And, well, you know, when we first Samuel's the one that brought us Ron Gibson. I had not heard of him before. Chris had Chris had achieved a loyal title, on some land he owned in Arizona. And, he got him to pave the whole road. They had a a some sort of a peeing contest with him, and he won. He got him to pave the whole road out to his property. But, you know, when when when Ron Gibson was coming around, he didn't know anything about the national stuff, which led me to believe if he's had success with that, then by getting someone a loyal title, you also got their freedom.
Because if they were citizens of The United States and you got the loyal title, they shouldn't be able to own property and couldn't unless that freed them somehow through a backdoor. K? That's right. And so I don't know whatever has happened with that. We mentioned it to Ron. I we hadn't had him back on the show, and some people are skeptical about the way he does what he does, and, it's his effectiveness too. So, listen. We've had a brisk range of topics today. Does anybody in the audience got a comment or a question on anything we've discussed to this point?
[01:17:46] Unknown:
Hey, Roger.
[01:17:47] Unknown:
There Joan does.
[01:17:49] Unknown:
Morning, Joan. Yeah. Yeah. You mentioned extra constitutional, several minutes ago.
[01:17:55] Unknown:
Yes. You have a good you have a good designation for extra Well, kinda. I mean, Bob Bob, you're listening. You wanna give Joan your definition of extra constitutional?
[01:18:08] Unknown:
Hey, Bob.
[01:18:09] Unknown:
Bob, you still with us? Hi, Bob. Well, I mean, because of the bankruptcy. I mean, all these things that they've done, all these administrative agencies, all the rest of this stuff, it's passed all the courts since the thirties. Now They had some run ins with it early on, and that was what made, Roosevelt stack the court from six to nine as he couldn't get some of his New Deal projects, through the court from the old minded people that were doing the old system. And so he went and stacked the court, and they got everything through. But all courts have recognized it, so they don't say it's unconstitutional. And it doesn't follow the constitutional, Joan. The constitution like agencies.
Oh, so what is it? It's extra constitutional under the bankruptcy. See, when you go into bankruptcy, there's all new rules. And they're not in a bankruptcy where you have total liquidation and sell everything. They're under reorganization, which means the business keeps going and you it's just in this bankruptcy situation, which changes the rules.
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Okay. Thank you.
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Yeah.
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So, anyone else? Raya?
[01:19:30] Unknown:
Well, I can't comment.
[01:19:32] Unknown:
Hold on, Mark. Let's get Bory here. Hold on, Mark. Hold on. Let's get Bory, and I won't turn to you after that. Hey, Bory. What?
[01:19:40] Unknown:
Good morning. Good morning, Ryan. I have a question, you know, because everybody talking about property taxes, but anybody here send their paperwork to the county telling them that they are exempt from property taxes? No. Because that won't work. Because I did because I did it, and it worked for me. I I know the property taxes. And it's not a house. It's my vehicle, but it's still they want that property tax money. Alright. You know? Well, how well, how That's why I asked anybody here if they did it, you know, because if they haven't do it, they never gonna know because they have to push the envelope. That's like you say.
[01:20:18] Unknown:
That's a different type of tax of of property because you don't register your car on the county tax rolls. You register your house, and you don't do it. They do it for you. And most people, even if they pay for it cash, will go do it, and get the homestead exemption or things like that. But we're talking about real estate, Bori. Okay?
[01:20:42] Unknown:
Not not autos. Alright. Okay. Alright. Thank you. You know, if you don't if you don't try, you're never gonna know.
[01:20:49] Unknown:
You know? Well, yeah. But see, the tax isn't on you being a national or not. The tax is on the property being on the property roles. So it's different. Now, Mark, what were you gonna say?
[01:21:02] Unknown:
Thank you, Reyes.
[01:21:03] Unknown:
Yeah. You're welcome, Bory. Well, just circling back to what's extra constitutional and what's constitutional and extra constitutional, as I kinda look like the extra constitutional is an administrative process that as a US citizen, you're part of.
[01:21:21] Unknown:
Yes. That's what I kinda like. Way to look at it. That's a very good way to look at it. And so we old days have it. But the old days before that, if you had a problem, you went to court. Now you go to your next administrative appeal.
[01:21:38] Unknown:
Right. Right. And if you're a national, you're not subject to that administrative process unless you got a gripe against them. Then it's then it's their process, and they're not after you. But as a national, they don't have lawful authority to be going after you. Correct. Thank you.
[01:21:59] Unknown:
Correct. And it's one of those, in between in between, betwixt, in between things, and I've never thought of it in that respect, Joan, and audience until Bob comes on here one day. And he goes, yeah. You're wrong. You know? Because he likes to come on here and pick nits all the time. You know? And, my gosh, most of the time, he's correct. You know? Here's another one he's he's picked on me, and I'll let y'all be the judge of this. One of the reasons that what we do here is so important to me is that there's only been two times in the history of the planet in organized societies. I'm gonna put that in where this is been, pertain.
The first two hundred years of Rome, under the just Seville, the 12 tablets, and and the first two hundred years of our country. Those are the only two times that I've been able to identify. Well, Bob comes on. He goes, well, that's not true. What about when the Israelites were out in the desert for forty years? I'll let you take that objection on how I
[01:23:05] Unknown:
soil bugs.
[01:23:07] Unknown:
He just likes to pick nits, you know, and and, and and and he's got a point, but organized society, you know, not wandering around in the desert necessarily. And there's probably been some other examples we don't even know about because you never even heard of them before. They were so small and insignificant. But of organized societies, there's only been two times in the history of our planet, folks, where people have what we have. Now I don't know. That may not be important to you, but it sure seems like it ought to be important to me.
[01:23:45] Unknown:
So Yeah. May I comment?
[01:23:46] Unknown:
Yeah. Just a second. Let me button that up. So when people ask you, well, what difference does it make? Maybe that's an answer for them. Yes. Comment.
[01:23:55] Unknown:
I was just George, Idaho. I was just gonna ask, if, Mark, you're gonna have, be addressing usufruct in the context of trust. Boy, in that I just You know, I saw that
[01:24:07] Unknown:
I just saw that word. Somebody sent me a quote from Sam Adams about property needs to be usufruct. And and I knew I'd seen the word before, but I damn sure didn't know what it meant. And I had to go back and research it a little bit. What do you think, Mark? I've never heard of it. No. You never heard of use of fracked? No. Basically means that property ought to be open to the common usage It's about the about the best I could take out of it. What what's your read on use of fraud, George?
[01:24:42] Unknown:
It says here the right to have to be use of an advantage of another's property short of the destruction or waste of its substance. Right.
[01:24:50] Unknown:
Right. Yeah. So they're kind of, you know, before national status, they're using you as, you know, part of their trust. And then, the idea is can you can you, put the Eusifruct back to them, return it to them in law. And one of the things that Jefferson spoke about if you Googled Jefferson letter to Madison, I believe he mentions about Eusifruct and how banking would take over. Everybody focus on that famous quote, you know, we'll wake up homeless on the on the land that our fathers conquered, but usufruct really gets into the mathematics of it.
[01:25:29] Unknown:
Okay. Well, it's a unusual word. That's for sure. You wanna read that definition again to the audience, Mark, please?
[01:25:37] Unknown:
Yeah. It says, oh, let's see. This is from Oxford dictionary. The right to enjoy the use and advantages of another's property short of the destruction or waste of its substance. And then further down, I have what is an example of the use of use of rights. And so it gives an example. An owner of a small business may become ill and grant the right of use of to an individual to run their business.
[01:26:06] Unknown:
The I'm on a quest to open
[01:26:10] Unknown:
the use of factory. This has the right to operate the business and gain income from it, but does not have the right, for example, to tear down the business and replace it with sell.
[01:26:22] Unknown:
Use of fraud. Boy, that's an unusual word.
[01:26:26] Unknown:
It is. So it appears to be a right that's granted by the property owner to somebody else. They can take they can use and and and enjoy the advantages of somebody else's property, but they can't destroy it or waste it. Just like I read in that definite or that example Yeah. About the owner saying, you can run my business because I'm sick and I grant you the right to use and advantages of the property. Mhmm. But you don't have a right to destroy my business or sell it or replace or whatever. So that's Okay. What about if I've got a what about if I've got a beautiful pond on my land
[01:27:04] Unknown:
and you come over and swim in it? Do I have to put up no trespassing signs to stop you from use of fraud?
[01:27:13] Unknown:
That when yeah. It's a it's I don't I don't take it as use of product right is is granted to everybody. Now the only time if that pond was a public watershed that was paid for the construction of it was paid for by the state, then, yes, you have use of rep rights to it. I know that first time. Because public funds went to establish it. Right. Right. But if that was a private pawn, then, no, you don't have a right to just go jump in there and Okay. So so use does use of frack
[01:27:49] Unknown:
require permission or direction or not? That's Well I'm a little unclear on that. Can I just Well go exercise a piece of product somewhere?
[01:28:01] Unknown:
Yeah. Maybe George has some different
[01:28:04] Unknown:
George, what's what how do you, how do you define define this, my friend?
[01:28:09] Unknown:
Yeah, what I've learned so far, there's implied trust and there's expressed trust. And unless you express back that you you don't want your body or your labor Uh-huh. Used, you know, as security or, you know, hypothecated and all that jazz, that they're just gonna keep going because they think you're a minor still. So that's what I've learned so far. It's really interesting. I'm not the I'm not the, you know, the Tompkins law dictionary on it.
[01:28:34] Unknown:
Okay. Let me ask you. Are you what trust are you talking about? Are you talking about this Kvesta trust thing that I hear thrown around?
[01:28:44] Unknown:
It could be related to that as well. Yeah. And, how they created like, my the name didn't come out of my mom. I came out of my mom. You know, that kind of idea. They created something later and, certified it and they're I don't know how they're using it, but, you know, I think it I think it deserves an investigation. Here's my problem with that
[01:29:06] Unknown:
Kvesta whatever it is trust. I've asked this question. Nobody's ever answered it. Can you tell tell me and show me the the connection between that trust and the fourteenth amendment?
[01:29:18] Unknown:
I don't I yeah. I don't know. Because otherwise, I don't think it has any You can't question. You see You can't question the public debt. And if you're if you're been you know? I think that's part of it. The fourth section of of the fourteenth.
[01:29:31] Unknown:
Well yeah. But in that for for for federal citizens and not us, we could question the son of a bitch. The four that's for the fourteenth amendment citizens.
[01:29:40] Unknown:
And the birth certificate?
[01:29:42] Unknown:
No. In the fourteenth amendment. You can't question the public debt, etcetera, etcetera. Oh. Because they knew what they were gonna do in the future. Yeah. That's all for federal citizens. That doesn't pertain to us. I don't believe George. Right. The thirteenth amendment. I'll get you in a second. I think that's Dwayne. Yeah. Dwayne, what you got? It is. I went to Investopedia
[01:30:03] Unknown:
to look it up because I hadn't looked at this in years, and because since everything is commercial. The use of product combines two property rights is where it comes from, it's two different words, two different concepts. But use of product is usually conferred for a limited time, it has to be contractually entered into and in use of product a person or group has a right to use property of another and they do not own it but have contractually sanctioned interest in it. There are two types of use of fraud, a perfect and imperfect. In the perfect use of fraud it says the use of refractory can use the property and comp and can profit from it but cannot change it in a substantial way.
Okay. In the imperfect and in the imperfect, they actually can change it or alter it to a certain level. But and then when the use of factory contract ends, the improvements revert back to the original owner of the property.
[01:31:07] Unknown:
Okay. I wanna ask the audience. I gotta where else where else on the radio dial can you find out about use of refractory contracts? Just asking. Or will you ever even hear anybody mention that word? So What I think I understand. Georgia Dwayne.
[01:31:27] Unknown:
That was one There was one other thing I wanted to bring up from earlier.
[01:31:31] Unknown:
Yeah. I think I got a letter too. Mhmm.
[01:31:34] Unknown:
It's in the Investopedia since everything so much of everything is commercial. That's why I went to Yeah.
[01:31:40] Unknown:
I'll I'll let Mark inject something here. You said something very important. You're saying all property is commercial. That's not true. If if I own a residential much is commercial.
[01:31:51] Unknown:
I said so much is commercial. Not all. Okay. Go ahead. Okay.
[01:31:54] Unknown:
But but again, on that definition where I believe that second one, imperfect Yeah. You own private property, and nobody has a right just to to take advantage of your your personal property or private property. So that use of fraud doesn't really apply to my to my living where I live in my home, like my domicile in my property. Now public might be a little different, you know, or commercial business, there might be a little difference. But when you say a right, usufruct right, somebody has to okay that. Whoever owns that property has to grant you What? That right. It's what he said. Contractually sanctioned interest and
[01:32:41] Unknown:
He said it had to be contractually, established. So you that that means a contract meeting of the minds and any deviations, and you can do so much. You can tear down that wall from 12 feet to 10 feet.
[01:32:54] Unknown:
Okay? Can I can I explain something? Oh, hold. Is that Paul?
[01:32:59] Unknown:
Yeah.
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Okay.
[01:33:01] Unknown:
Yeah. Can I explain something? Everything we do has to do with user frauds. Do you remember Charlie? Charlie? Charlene? Our, our sweetie from, Colorado? She was talking about user fraud two years ago and it has to do with the fact that the the federal government, if you're a fourteenth amendment citizen, they consider you to be in interstate commerce. Yeah. And what was it? What was it that Mark said? It was, a right to property or a specific use with limitation. Oh, jeez. Doesn't that sound like the laws of the city? Well, that's what Doesn't that sound like civil rights? No. But this is coming out of common law.
[01:33:46] Unknown:
Eusufruct is a common law doctrine.
[01:33:48] Unknown:
Yeah. And that's what Dwayne said. It requires one type, and there's two types. Yes, Dwayne. A little a little further down in the, explanation here, it says use usufruct is only recognized in a few jurisdictions in North Carolina and North America such as Louisiana.
[01:34:05] Unknown:
Yeah. Oh. And that's Napoleonic
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code. So Oh, yes. It sure is.
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So I thought it was a
[01:34:17] Unknown:
common law doctrine or else Samuel, Sam Adams wouldn't have used it in that quote pertaining to property. I wouldn't have thought.
[01:34:25] Unknown:
Could have been, but right now, it it may have been back then. I don't you know, I can't say I've not like I said, I haven't looked at this in a long, long time, but since I was doing my work in Seattle Twenty Years ago. So but would that be so one other thing. Go ahead.
[01:34:40] Unknown:
No. I was just gonna say to Paul, I think I vaguely remember her bringing that up, and we just rolled on with the conversation, didn't stop and dwell on it. But it's a very interesting word. It's popped up here lately in another area for me, and then you guys, George brings it up today. Go on, Dwayne.
[01:34:58] Unknown:
The earlier this week, I was listening to a guy named Ed Dowd, and this is going to what you were talking That guy that's the one I was talking about. It was on Alex yesterday. Ed Dowd. He's a sharp cookie. Was he? He is he was on, Greg Connor last week. And, one of the he's written this this huge report for, like, it's a thousand dollar it's thousand euros, thousand 50 in USD. But he's done his 2025 financial state of the globe marketplace, if you would. And he was talking about one of the factors that he believes is that he and his guys believe are going to impact the residential real estate market and probably this includes small apartment buildings, maybe even bigger apartment, but ten, twelve, 15, 20 units versus two to four units and houses is that with all the money that the Biden regime pumped into the illegals and all the money and for food and housing and what have you, he believes a lot of that went to also inflate the value of housing around the country. And he thinks that that's going to have an impact now that that money stopped flowing on the value of real estate.
And he was specifically talking about residential real estate, which typically includes up to two to four units of apartments. So with that being said, that just adds to your property taxes and the and the valuation, drops that is actually in process right now.
[01:36:32] Unknown:
So Yeah. On top of mortgage rates I'm on top of mortgage rates being extremely high, and Trump's kind of pressured them to drop them, and they're resisting at this point, but they may anyway. So, yeah, you know, we got some really big e on top of them trying to potentially crash the economy and blame Trump. And now all these moves that Trump is doing is putting so much spirit and enthusiasm into the future in the markets. It's just turning things around, and it's short cheating the enemies in their shorts because of the enthusiasm pumping everything up.
He's I'm sorry, folks. Trump's doing one hell of a job, man. Him and his cadre. I I don't know if y'all saw the, the energy board yesterday make the announcement on how they're gonna start lower, and they've got this board. It's all the different cabinet agencies, that per EPA and several others, about seven guys up there with him in the Oval Office. And he started introducing all of them and given their backgrounds. Oh, man. The this guy is sharp, folks. And and but I bring all those things down and to help bring the rates down along with the house housing prices where people can can afford them again because it's all in a bubble is to get this energy going right there. And that's gonna drop a lot of things and help curb some of this inflation, it would appear. Well,
[01:38:02] Unknown:
Right. Where it stays, but the week closed to the West Texas the futures West Texas crude, market yesterday. It's, like, $70 and it which has dropped $70 a barrel and some change, which dropped at about $4 a barrel for the week. So hope that that had an impact on it. Don't know yet. Uh-huh.
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It dropped. Well So alright.
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Y'all have a good one. I've I've got a few things to do. Thank you. Alright, Dwayne. Always a pleasure to hear that New Orleans drawl. Who else is trying to has started around here. Yeah. Stay away from downtown.
[01:38:40] Unknown:
Okay. Who was trying to say something? That was sketch. Can you hear me? Sketch, Betty. Well, I can hear you. Yeah.
[01:38:48] Unknown:
Okay. Good. So I want I want I wanna have a conversation with you and doodle this one out. You asked for a connection between the Cascivi Trust and the fourteenth amendment. Is that correct? Yes. Well I've never seen anything about that. Okay. Well help me out. So let's work I don't know if I can. What? I don't know too much about this. Well maybe somebody else can so let's just wait for me to talk. Okay? What is a CESTIVI trust? Let's establish that first and then I will make I think I can make the connection. Do you know what a CESTIVI trust is?
[01:39:31] Unknown:
I have no it's some trust out of England that's from the fifteen hundreds or something. That's about all I've ever heard.
[01:39:39] Unknown:
Okay. Oh, let let's go with that. If anybody has a good definition, I'll wait for the answer. Otherwise Anybody in the audience know about this? Give me a second.
[01:39:50] Unknown:
Pardon me? Second. Give me a second.
[01:39:53] Unknown:
Okay. Hold on. Mark, I'm I'm giving you a second.
[01:39:57] Unknown:
Just don't go to Wikipedia. Okay? He's getting the he's getting the hamster up to full speed here.
[01:40:03] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. Yes. Can I answer?
[01:40:06] Unknown:
Well, it says, sure. Term.
[01:40:08] Unknown:
Reverse Alright. Let the lady go. Hold hold on. You
[01:40:12] Unknown:
alright. Mark was already talking. Julie's got the information. Do you wanna let Julie? Come on. Tell us about it.
[01:40:19] Unknown:
Well, I I heard it was a trust that was created in the nineteen thirties to manage the assets belonging to We The People, American citizens who lost our collateral in the bankruptcy of The United States. I don't know if I'm right about that or not. I'll yield.
[01:40:35] Unknown:
Let's go to Mark.
[01:40:37] Unknown:
Well, I've got it comes from a French phrase that means he who lives. It refers to the beneficiary of a trust or an insurance policy. Further, no legal term that refers to the beneficiary of a trust. The beneficiary has an equitable interest in the trust property while the trustee holds the legal type. And that's a typical trust arrangement.
[01:41:05] Unknown:
Yeah. That's nothing new. I thought I'm talking about some kind of specific trust out of England that's called the k whatever, c u e something something that that that that that judge Anna of the Superior People's Court keeps talking about and tagging things to. How is that connected to the fourteenth amendment?
[01:41:26] Unknown:
Okay. I'll try and do that with what definition we do have now. Okay? Now it is the premise that, under the fourteenth amendment, all our taxes are paid to a bondholder. Right?
[01:41:44] Unknown:
To my to my understanding, yes.
[01:41:47] Unknown:
Okay. So what I think is happening, I wanna doodle this out. I don't know, but what I think is happening is there was a trust set up at that time for all the fourteenth amendment citizens even though, you know, the citizens live under the fourteenth amendment, let's say. There was a trust set up.
[01:42:11] Unknown:
Yeah.
[01:42:12] Unknown:
And that is the connection.
[01:42:14] Unknown:
You see that? Well, alright. So how does it connect? Where does it go? Where when you file your affidavit, how does it have anything to do with that? It doesn't. Well,
[01:42:25] Unknown:
I think you get out of having to be able mandatorily paying into that bond through the taxes.
[01:42:35] Unknown:
It's not a bond. It's a bunch of bonds. It's not a bond,
[01:42:40] Unknown:
Sketch. It's a bunch of Every every name has a bond. Right? Oh, hold on. Hold on. We're not looking at this properly.
[01:42:47] Unknown:
Okay. Because I can noodle it out.
[01:42:49] Unknown:
Okay. When you're talking about a bond, as Roger's saying, there's multiple bonds that The United States sells. But they're using the birth certificate as a flow of capital to pay the interest and pay off those bonds that they're selling. So we are the collateral when we're tied to that birth certificate. Is that correct, Roger? Would you agree with that? Yes. And they're United States,
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bonds. They're not Cave Estate Trust bonds.
[01:43:20] Unknown:
No. No. But the the the the k save the trust is where we're saying we have a an interest and in the birth certificate that's being used as collateral for these bonds. That's the way I take it. Some people say our birth certificate is a bond. I don't know. I know it's printed on bond paper, but that doesn't necessarily mean that
[01:43:50] Unknown:
it's a It's collate it's collate it's collateral for a bond.
[01:43:54] Unknown:
But but it is some type of financial instrument. And and they're holding you and I as the as the, responsible party Well for what's for for whatever they're trying to to, extract money from it. Because as you were born
[01:44:14] Unknown:
as you were born, before the birth certificate was generated, you were already an object to their property rights because of the way it was set up. Okay? All the birth certificate does is confirm that. And as evidenced by the fact that when the Bureau of Vital Statistics prints it, it is then put into a bank safe with armed guards twenty four hours a day, seven days a week. I have a question. Okay. Where's the Cave Estate Trust coming in? I mean, this is the process. We know it. Where does that come into the picture? See, I I I just think that's more patriot crap because they don't we've got the answer they're looking coming up with stuff like this that they conjure up and connect dots because they think it gives them the picture of how does that man over there get to make man made laws and enforce them on me.
[01:45:10] Unknown:
That's the question. I have a question. Can a trust a a trust set up by the international bankers that I guess our birth certificates were set up by them through the bankruptcy. Can they encompass all The US citizens under one trust?
[01:45:36] Unknown:
No. I don't think so, but the birth certificates were originated on the federal level. See what we were talking about that one day here on the show, and Lisa was doing some research. We hadn't heard from her lately on the side, and she came back. And couple of the states had birth certificates all the way back into the middle of the eighteen hundreds. But they weren't using them in the same capacity that the feds were. They started that in nineteen twenty one, twenty two In the middle of the first depression, they passed that legislation.
They never had them on the federal level before. So they were already anticipating what they were gonna do twelve years later in using those twelve years of birth certificates as collateral for the new bonds after they bankrupted The United States Of America bonds.
[01:46:31] Unknown:
Question. Can you put bonds in a trust?
[01:46:37] Unknown:
I'm sure you can. Absolutely.
[01:46:40] Unknown:
Well, I think there is your connection, Roger, that you were asking for.
[01:46:45] Unknown:
No. No. I think that's fair. Bonds. Hold on. Hold on, Sketch. You got a real fertile what if thing here going on. Okay? What? The bonds are owned by companies, not one big trust. They're owned by investment companies, insurance companies, wealthy investors, other countries, all kinds of stuff. They're not all dumped in one big trust.
[01:47:11] Unknown:
May I?
[01:47:12] Unknown:
Yes, ma'am.
[01:47:14] Unknown:
Hi. It's me, Julie. Where's the where's the evidence for that? Is it That's where the bond
[01:47:19] Unknown:
auctions are the evidence of that. Primary bond dealers that sign on to the Federal Reserve like the first two floors of 911,
[01:47:30] Unknown:
and other Do you remember how Disney bought all that? Do you remember how Disney bought all that land in Florida using shell companies and identities? I mean Well, I heard about it. I yeah. Yeah.
[01:47:41] Unknown:
So what's that have to do with what we're talking about? They they have bond auctions. People from all over the world go to open up bond auctions and buy them. They're not from some trust.
[01:47:52] Unknown:
Guys, I think The United States is probably a trust. Government.
[01:47:57] Unknown:
The US government. No. The United States is a corporation.
[01:48:00] Unknown:
Yeah. You're I think I think people are You guys are way off in the weeds here. Okay.
[01:48:06] Unknown:
Julie? Government.
[01:48:08] Unknown:
Yeah. Government sells US bonds on the open market.
[01:48:13] Unknown:
Go ahead. I'm just I'm just asking a question because I don't know the answer to this. Is it possible that the birth certificate is an unrevealed trust intimate instrument and that that there was a bond set on each birth certificate at live birth and then the I it's Why were bundled together?
[01:48:36] Unknown:
What what makes any difference with me filing my affidavit and getting out of that with all this complicated shit that y'all are bringing forward? See, I work to make this simple. You guys have got this so far off in the weeds on what ifs. I can't
[01:48:53] Unknown:
my question was in related to the PMA Prostinocidal address, Eustafrock, which I think is at Barnes and and can be, very useful to National Debt. Is this your George, is this you? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was I was trying to make it,
[01:49:08] Unknown:
pertinent to the PMA. That. Please repeat that and talk just a little bit slower. Okay?
[01:49:15] Unknown:
It was my question was not to, dis national status, it was to basically say in the context of PMA, what is the will the trust address the use of product question that goes back sounds like to the fourteenth amendment back to the Sesame Trust, back to the name that got created twelve days or whatever after our birth and, you know, tied back to who knows what trust that have existed since, like, serfdom. You know?
[01:49:46] Unknown:
Well well, actually If if you're asking about the private membership association that that I'm gonna be holding, classes with, talking about trust, no. This is a express private trust. And it does not incorporate anything to do with use of fraud. Because it it has nothing to do with it. They're two totally different things.
[01:50:10] Unknown:
Great. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. Wow.
[01:50:14] Unknown:
Roger Roger? The trust I'm talking about is a private trust that's designed to hold property for estate planning.
[01:50:23] Unknown:
I I want somebody protection. Somebody, if you're gonna bring up this damn trust, you bring me evidence that it exists before we go off in the weeds 10 miles talking about it.
[01:50:36] Unknown:
Roger, don't you always say that there are no stupid questions?
[01:50:42] Unknown:
Well, I do.
[01:50:44] Unknown:
It Okay. So I listen, Roger. I was only asking questions.
[01:50:49] Unknown:
Now I have another question for you. I will but I have another question for you. Hold on. Can somebody please bring me the documentation of an existence of this entity?
[01:51:01] Unknown:
Well, I think, Mark can say it doesn't exist because he looked it up.
[01:51:07] Unknown:
That was a general trust he's talking about and defining. It It wasn't a specific trust that all you people want a don't wanna bring
[01:51:18] Unknown:
Didn't Mark just look up what a I asked I asked a simple question. What did you look up, Mark? A a custody trust, and he found it.
[01:51:30] Unknown:
Okay. Read a definition, but it wasn't of some specific trust. It sounded very general to me. Mark, what did you read? Mark, are you there?
[01:51:41] Unknown:
I remember.
[01:51:43] Unknown:
Oh, boy. Okay. Go, Paul.
[01:51:45] Unknown:
Apologize. I had to
[01:51:48] Unknown:
He looked up the definition of the Sysdig AV trust. Yeah. The Sysdig AV trust had a definition, and he read it. But that definition was very similar in form and function to all trusts because it behaves the same way. Okay. Is that right, Mark? No.
[01:52:05] Unknown:
That's correct. Let me read what one of the definitions I was looking at. A legal term that refers to the beneficiary of a trust. The beneficiary has an equitable interest in the trust property, while the trustee holds the legal title. Now when when we say the trustee holds the legal title, it doesn't mean he owns the property. It's just he has access to the title so that when the trust is executed he can transfer those titles as the trustee. Think about it. Generally speaking, in the type of trust I'm talking about, it's for estate planning purposes. The people who create the trust eventually are going to pass away.
When they pass away that usually triggers, the action in the trust where the trustee now steps in as the trustee and signs legal title over to the prior to the beneficiaries. He's got to disperse the property that's withheld in the trust according to the trust documents. Now, that's very basic what I gave you. There can be other, you know, options in that, but that like like Paul said, this is pretty much just standard trust, language. Let me read it again. A legal term that refers to the beneficiary of the trust, that's usually heirs of an estate for for the purposes of of the type of trust I'm talking about.
The beneficiary has an equitable interest in the trust property. Well, if if, if I'm if I've got two beneficiaries, then, you know, one of them may have 50% and the other one might have a 50% interest in that trust property if it's equally divided in the in the name of the trust. In other words, if the trust instructions say, you know, both beneficiaries get half, then we both have, you know, an equitable interest in that property. Now maybe I only have 30% and they gave, somebody else 70%. They can do that, but we still have an equitable interest in the trust property. And the trustee holds the legal title, and you can even say possession, if you will, to that property so that when that day comes, that the trust document is to be executed and the and the property to be distributed, the trustee signs off on all that.
Okay.
[01:54:32] Unknown:
Okay. Alright? That makes sense. He's talking about sketch. Hold on. Yeah. He's talking about and defining a type of trust. You're referring to a specific trust.
[01:54:47] Unknown:
When I say custody, I I'm talking about specific.
[01:54:51] Unknown:
Is that what you're saying? Well, yeah. It's a trust. It's relating that everything involved with the fourteenth amendment's going into a trust. What's the name of it? I thought it was a Cave Esta trust. I didn't know they're talking about a type of trust, and I think what somebody is doesn't understand what's going on, reads this definition, and goes, god, that's gotta be what they're doing to us. I'm one of those. And then they're spreading it all over, and we're having a ten, fifteen minute discussion on a bunch of crap.
[01:55:24] Unknown:
Right. And we've had this conversation before. Right? So let's let's get to the bottom of it, and and we can clear it and we can answer it with one or two sentences and never cover it again. So I have a question. Can you put warehouse receipts in a trust?
[01:55:44] Unknown:
If I I if you have a trust that's designed for that, yeah. Okay. You put all kinds of things. I I just wanted to make some more money. After. Hold on. Hold on. You can put you can put a warehouse receipt is is a type of property that we use. So financial instrument. Property. It is property. Right. So as Rogers talked about, you know, instead of carrying around a a bale of cotton on your back, you can carry around the paper and say, hey, I've got a hundred pounds of cotton and I'll sell it to you for this and here's a warehouse receipt. You can go to the warehouse and pick up your hundred pounds of cotton. Right. Take this receipt. Go pick up your hundred pounds of cotton.
[01:56:25] Unknown:
Right. And the the patriot theory is that it's controlled by England. Okay? And I just have one last last point to make. I don't know if you know this, Roger, but the queen, I can give you the link. It's from the, the parliament of, it's through the English parliament that the queen amended our Social Security. Would you believe that I told you that? I would not believe it at all. It for for what? It it's from the very,
[01:57:03] Unknown:
website. Amend amended it for what? To do what?
[01:57:09] Unknown:
Amended it. Let's read it. We'll find out what what it did.
[01:57:14] Unknown:
But I can get I can get you that. When you come back with some Sterling book report sketch. My question to you is what effect does that have on you filing an affidavit and them recognizing it?
[01:57:28] Unknown:
Yes. No. I I was trying to answer the question about the fourteenth amendment, the connection.
[01:57:34] Unknown:
Well, well, that's just slavery. That's what you file an amendment. You have to to get out of. Trying to make it. I was trying to doodle it out so we can make that connection. That's all. What I don't see this connection. Bringing me proof of a trust that all this activity revolves around. We got a type of trust that they refer to, but not a specific one.
[01:57:57] Unknown:
Okay. That's fine. I'm ready to lay my body down.
[01:58:01] Unknown:
Me too.
[01:58:04] Unknown:
I I get so aggravated at how the water has been muddied by people like Judge Anna Von Reitz.
[01:58:13] Unknown:
Well, we got people that are still chasing they're still chasing the Patriot mythology. You know?
[01:58:20] Unknown:
Still chasing it. So are you saying that I'm chasing it by asking a question mark?
[01:58:26] Unknown:
Well, no. I'm saying that the reason is even being brought up and discussed. Bring us some proof. Show me the trust. Give me some definition. He's trying to get to that. You don't let him face the cock. Well, you guys can get to it after the show. I I think it's a bunch of patriot mythology, and I don't think it has any bearing at all on what we do here
[01:58:54] Unknown:
at all. I have one last I have one last question for you, Roger, after the show's over.
[01:59:00] Unknown:
Well, the show's over, and I'm going to lunch. I got a lunch scheduled. Well, I have one last question. Do you have time for me, Roger, or are you just gonna shine me on? Give me the question, and I'll tell you.
[01:59:11] Unknown:
What do you how do you feel about people coming on this show and disrespecting and interrupting you like what happened yesterday when you've told them four or five times never to come back here, and he keeps coming back and he interrupts you, and you let him talk.
[01:59:29] Unknown:
What do you feel about what he like that? It depends on it depends on my mood and what he brings to the table with the interruption. How about that?
[01:59:37] Unknown:
Okay. So I can just interrupt you like he does?
[01:59:41] Unknown:
You don't mind? You do you do it all the time.
[01:59:45] Unknown:
May I, Roger? I say Roger before
[01:59:49] Unknown:
I interrupt you, Roger. I don't just come in and start talking and not stop and pause to
[01:59:56] Unknown:
let you recognize me. Alright. Listen. I do the best I can. I try and educate you. We got get off into shit like this we've been in in the last ten minutes. I'm a go take a weekend. Female, what did you have to ask, please?
[02:00:10] Unknown:
Yes, Roger. I think something was overlooked about what Farris said yesterday, and I've I'm still in shock over it. I don't think you heard it. What he said was, somebody said something about a match, and he said, the last time last time I had a match was at the crucifixion, and nobody commented on it. And I'm done with that ass.
[02:00:40] Unknown:
I wanted to. Let me let you know I wanted to comment, and I'm sorry Roger didn't comment on it. I didn't hear it. I didn't get it. He missed it. I know he missed it. I didn't I don't do this two hours a day for free to get in a bunch of dissension with people. Okay? Period.
[02:00:59] Unknown:
I try and educate you. Cannot be overlooked.
[02:01:03] Unknown:
Fucking world. Okay?
[02:01:06] Unknown:
Okay, Roger. When I when I'm told that, I'm bringing up Patriot Mythology trying to get to the bottom of this so we don't have to cover it anymore, and I have a legitimate question,
[02:01:19] Unknown:
You know? It's I asked you, Stitch. I asked you where what trust give me some kind of foundation that's real instead of off in the weeds on what if speculation. And you didn't do it.
[02:01:35] Unknown:
I asked for your help to noodle it out because I needed some help. And, obviously, I should go somewhere else and try and get some help understanding.
[02:01:45] Unknown:
Yeah. You yeah. If you try and ask for the ball judge Anna, Sketch, She probably has an answer. I don't. I'll see y'all then.
[02:01:54] Unknown:
I call bye, Roger. Have a good lunch. I just call it Patriot Mythology because this is typically what people are chasing after and usually looking for money under the golden rainbow.
[02:02:07] Unknown:
So that's what I'm referring to. I'm not I'm not looking for money. I'm looking for info to help me understand this stuff. And, you know, Roger comes on I come on and ask questions. He said, there's no dumb questions. And I ask a question, and here comes the, oh, this is patriot mythology. And I I find I find it disingenuous to have an open conversation.
[02:02:30] Unknown:
You know? How does that apply? Mistake.
[02:02:33] Unknown:
While you put in the downhole in your life, you already got your affidavit with it.
[02:02:41] Unknown:
Hey, Corey. You know what I mean? That's what Corey.
[02:02:44] Unknown:
Corey, you sound like I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I was saying that what difference that made, we already got the affidavit with this the state department. We out of the system. We don't have to worry about none of that shit.
[02:02:58] Unknown:
Yeah. I I don't know. Sketch, what's what was the purpose of your question? I mean, I don't I don't understand what why
[02:03:07] Unknown:
why you're asking for not bring I don't think I brought up the subject of custody trust. Okay? Okay. Somebody else did. Okay? So I was trying to clear it up so we don't have to deal with it anymore. And I was just trying to noodle it out instead of calling names.
[02:03:25] Unknown:
You know. I I think I didn't understand where you were coming from. You know, it's it's it I don't know.
[02:03:33] Unknown:
Well, Mark, I'm not here for money. Okay? Get that through your head. And neither am I trying to promote Anna. Okay?
[02:03:41] Unknown:
I know. I didn't take it that way at all. I mean, I'm just saying that that I don't understand the the angle of your question as it ties to that trust. And and I understand you having the questions, but I just don't see the connection.
[02:04:00] Unknown:
Well, that's what I was trying to noodle out, is there? Okay. I don't see what saying there is or isn't. Yeah. But there might be because I do know that you can go, like, to the Federal Register of Great Britain. Okay? And the the queen amended Social Security. Now I don't know if it it it's from their website. Right? Okay. I don't know if it's a fake website or not, but I did go to UK's federal register and punched in. I'll give you the the the the, you can search it up yourself. It's the act of just a moment. I have it here if you wanna wait on, and I'll yield for anybody, and I'll put it in the private chat just for you.
[02:04:47] Unknown:
Sure. While while you're looking while you're looking that up, let me comment. The Social Security is not just a United States program. It's global. So if the queen amended something to do with Social Security, it may be just to do with The UK and not The United States. Okay. There are multiple countries that just I understand that. I might be misunderstanding
[02:05:12] Unknown:
it. I agree. No worries. Here is here is a, queen amending something in the Social Security Administration of the United States. Okay? That's what I'm saying. I might be mistaken, but I'm gonna give you the link. Okay. In the private chat, and I'll say it on online here once I find it won't take on at all. No problem, Sketch.
[02:05:39] Unknown:
And again, I don't know what what authority these other countries have if they're participating in the Social Security system. And and again, I could be wrong. I'm just parroting what a very smart actual law professor talked about back in 02/2002 about the Social Security system, and he acted like it was really a a private type of system that the government is paying into. And these other countries are are paying into it as well if they wanna put their citizens into that system. So, you know, maybe maybe, there is legitimacy to the queen signing off on that. But off the top of my head, you know, it sounds out in my field, so I start thinking about oh, okay. It's very
[02:06:29] Unknown:
it's very short and very simple. Go ahead. You go on to, I would say, Yandex or Google or any other search engine and you punch in order 1778Of1997. That is order, capital o on the order, 1778Of1997, and you will get a UK, parliament, website somewhere down the page. Okay. And I and I stand corrected if I'm mistaken, but from my reading of it, it was the queen that amended the Social Security Administration in The United States.
[02:07:21] Unknown:
Not I have a question.
[02:07:23] Unknown:
Yeah. Go ahead, please. I yield. I'm done.
[02:07:27] Unknown:
Well, I have a question. You know, we've got a number of entities. You know, there's, we have Social Security, but we really don't know who owns it or who's behind it. We know it's a global thing. But then we also know that everything that we own or register or whatever, ownership is transferred over to what we perceive to be the local government or the the local authority. But maybe it's not. Maybe it's actually transferred much higher up the food chain. And wouldn't it be interesting if as part of the Social Security Administration, part of the rule of having a Social Security number means that we must transfer our property over to the same entity that may own the Social Security Administration.
You know, they give us our Social Security, but, you know, Allegiant Protection for Allegiance, Allegiance for Protection. If you receive the benefit, you owe the duty. I think we need to figure out who owns both of them, where the ultimate registrations go, and who actually started the Social Security Administration and not just The United States flavor of it because it is a global thing. Maybe it's the Bank of International Settlements. Don't know.
[02:08:50] Unknown:
And I wanted to apologize and thank whoever mentioned the match comment yesterday. I did not hear it because I hung up after the match That was Rodney. He said.
[02:09:02] Unknown:
Yes. That was Rodney, and I believe I can I can paraphrase what he said? He said, do you have a match? And you said, no. And he said, well, I haven't had a match since they hung him on a cross.
[02:09:18] Unknown:
Yes. And I apologize for my emotion now, emotions today. But to be to say that I have a fertile mind and that we shouldn't discuss it, kinda demeans me. And, I don't I I I respect Roger, but I don't I think it should be mutual. Sketchup.
[02:09:43] Unknown:
May I
[02:09:44] Unknown:
Go ahead.
[02:09:46] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. I was just gonna say that, your account is set up by your birth certificate, and it's on file at 55. And the name of the account is your all capital letter name on your birth certificate, and the account number is your Social Security number. And there was a act in 1921 called the Federal Shepherd Towner Maternity Act, which created this birth registration, and, it was known as the maternity act. So, by you.
[02:10:19] Unknown:
May I, Lady Linda Louise? May I?
[02:10:23] Unknown:
Yeah. Lizzie, your door is open.
[02:10:26] Unknown:
Scratch. I just want to, let you know that, I, for one, get can understand your frustration. I want to see if I can explain it to you. Sef decay, like Mark said, means he who lives. Now the definition of a Sef decay is beneficiaries. So you can use assessor k or you can use the English word beneficiaries. Okay. That's number one. Number two, you were asking about the warehouse receipt. Our birth certificate is a warehouse receipt. We know that the fourteenth amendment federal citizen is the collateral to the bonds that are created and bought by bondholders.
And if there's not enough taxes coming into this United States government, then the Federal Reserve makes up the difference because they don't want people to realize that there is a problem on the with the bond market. And, the other point is the Social Security card. When you look at the back of it, it says it belongs to the Social Security Administration, and we have use of that SS number. So whatever amendments were made, whatever that has to do with anything, if we put into that system, which we most of us did because we were ignorant at the time and we didn't know what this whole scheme was all about, we were, at a certain age entitled to get the investment, so to speak, back to us month by month. Some people get 2,800.
Some people get as low as 400 a month. So that's pretty much the, the methodology or the process, that exists. Now there is a Social Security trust. So let's get back to that word usufruct. Usufruct is something that we can use. When I look at the word usufruct, I look at Genesis. Our heavenly father gave us this land to work and cement to till on and at the sweat of their brow. And then once we pass and go on to heaven, to paradise, and then the jury's out where you end end up landing your soul. The land returns back to our heavenly father. We get the privilege of using it. Now that same concept was adopted by this nefarious fourteenth amendment state of, So the subdivisions of the federal government.
Now I don't know everything about everything. I just know a little bit about some things. And this patriot mythology that keeps answering about is, controlled opposition. The nefarious administrative state wants people like us who are seeking the truth that sets men free to go down these rabbit holes and get totally distracted. So, I hope whatever I've shared right now brings some clarity to the subject, and I yield.
[02:13:27] Unknown:
So I have one question. Is there is there a connection between the fourteenth amendment and the custody in your opinion?
[02:13:35] Unknown:
Well, the thing is the warehouse receipt was created as collateral, which is the birth certificate. And like Roger said and Lisa has researched, these birth certificates were created, you know, twelve years before the 19, 21 time period where it became federal warehouse receipts. So if you put your birth certificate within your irrevocable trust that we're going to be learning about in our PMAs with FARC, That birth certificate is indeed a bond, is indeed worth something. And I don't know all the machinations of that, but I do know that many people that are in this movement have, re have put their birth certificate on, on the record down at their county as land as because your body is land. You're made from dirt.
So, that's the only connection I can make. Now what does that mean at the end of the day? I don't know. Does that mean some kind of monetary value? I believe I'm priceless. I believe that's why having an abortion of a life inside a mother's womb is murder. And when we become nationals, that's the way we look at abortion. It's murder. Just like the American Samoans, it's called murder because they're an unincorporated territory, and they are not fourteenth amendment citizens. So how all these things connect, I cannot say. Lady,
[02:15:04] Unknown:
I I I appreciate that. Now I'm gonna ask what I'm gonna ask you to answer my question in one sentence and not go on. So you found a connection of some sort. What is that connection between the being a fourteenth amendment citizen and the quest to v in one sentence or less.
[02:15:28] Unknown:
Well, the thing is, Sketch, the means beneficiary. So we are beneficiaries of the land when we look at Genesis, and he gave us dominion over the land. Now how these nefarious, actors came into the scene is they counterfeit what God has already done, what the heavenly father has already done. So with the, fourteenth amendment citizens and the registration of their birth certificates, that's the connection, I believe, that you may be seeking. I am not an expert on this subject. I'm just a thoughtful woman. And if I can't answer it in one sentence, it's because it's a complicated subject. And I yield Yes. Fine.
[02:16:09] Unknown:
I agree. Thank you, whoever's gonna talk because but I I really wanted a simple answer, and it was so complicated. I really didn't get it. So I'm gonna let I Yeah. I'd like that's the only I've waited quite a while here. I'd like to say something finally. From everything I've read, I see connections between a lot of the people I have a lot of respect for. And I would guess that what we're calling this trust, and of course it's right on the face of it, you have to be alive. Well, in this system you're civilly dead, unless you're that national.
Now I think what they're calling this trust could very well be HR 192, because Deborah talks about it, Gross talks about it, The Book of the Hundreds talks about it, And let me read to you what it actually is. House Joint Resolution 192 of 1933 suspended the gold standard in The United States and prohibited the payment of debts in gold or a specific currency. It declared that all obligations would be discharged upon payment in legal tender like Federal Reserve notes rather than paid in full. This established a system of public national credit and perpetual debt removing the substance for common law and placing financial obligations under maritime and ad room tea law.
The resolution was implemented immediately, and the day after President Roosevelt signed it, the Treasury offered the public new government securities without the payable in gold clause. H. R. 192 is no longer active in its original form and The US moved away from the gold standard entirely and subsequently. Now the arguments are is that money is sitting there for those who wanna access it. So you go to Stamper's book on, and and again, Stamper doesn't know about the national status. Okay? But he gives you, in his chapter magicians, a nine step process to be able to access this account.
Okay? Guess what the first thing in that step is? Here, I'll read it. Your claim to being one of the people must appear on the public register, parenthesis, the secretary of state. That's a national claim right there. That's us, the way I read it. And the Stamper's basically saying here, the reason they passed this resolution be was to protect themselves from being accused of treason by the people because you can't bring this matter to court according to Stanford because you have a remedy. And in January, he's saying there is this remedy and that you can access this account, which is essentially a trust.
He never calls it a KSBV or anything like that. He he just calls it a trust. So I'm thinking, Sketch, that this is probably what it really is, And it's been changed over the years as they've seen fit to either hide it or add to it or subtract from it, whatever. I yield. Thank you, Samuel.
[02:20:14] Unknown:
Hey, Sketch. Hi. I I did confirm that Social Security, it was looks like amendments to the Social Security agreement, which included The United States. And according to this whole this is the whole document. And I put this over into the, chat messages, the links to it. You can read it yourself. It says, at the court at Buckingham Palace, the July 1997. And it says, present, the Queen's most excellent majesty and counsel. Not quite sure if that means the queen was sitting there in court. That's the only I did a search for queen, and that was the only place that I that it popped up. But it goes through and just talks about different amendments in the Social Security agreement.
And then when you get down to who signed off on this, there were two let me scroll down here. Two, like, ambassadors from The United States, a minister. So we got a William Marsden, who's the America's Director FCO. I guess that's financial chief operator. He represents the government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain in Northern Ireland. And then for the government of the United States of America was a minister, embassy of the United States of America. So he's a minister from our United States, embassy. His name was Timothy Deal, d e a l.
And from from just my quick overview, it looked like there was amendments, a little change and some wording here and there, but it just looked like an amendment to the Social Security agreement.
[02:22:11] Unknown:
May I?
[02:22:13] Unknown:
Yeah. Floor is open.
[02:22:15] Unknown:
May I?
[02:22:19] Unknown:
Yes. Hello? Okay. We can hear you. I would
[02:22:23] Unknown:
like to rebut what Samuel said because first of all, a resolution is not a law. H j r 92 is a resolution that does not make it a law. So if you want to look at where the law is, you have to go to the statutes at large, find the be it enacted, it's called the abrogation of gold clause. So that is what you have to find and that was done in March of nineteen thirty three. H j r 92 was a discussion about the aggregation of gold claws, and I have researched that heavily because I start hearing about h j r 92 over fifteen years ago, and I kept telling people that's not the right it's not a b it enacted.
It doesn't make it law. Hi, Yield.
[02:23:30] Unknown:
Was that 1933 on the gold clause?
[02:23:34] Unknown:
Statutes at large, abrogation of gold.
[02:23:38] Unknown:
Did you say that was enacted 1933 or 1913?
[02:23:44] Unknown:
Thirty '3. Nineteen March of nineteen thirty three. The Abrogation of Gold Cloud. It was Roosevelt who yelling. Relax. You're yelling. We can hear you. Okay. Well, I'm just trying to be sure that you understand that I'm everybody in the ramp and that does speakerphone.
[02:24:05] Unknown:
If if you're on speakerphone, you could talk normal, but I can hear you. So you said h a r one ninety two is just a discussion of the statutes of large, abrogation of old laws, and I believe that was enacted in 1933. Would that be an accurate statement?
[02:24:23] Unknown:
Alright.
[02:24:25] Unknown:
I think I got what I needed.
[02:24:28] Unknown:
I'd like to ask You tell me since Lincoln, what they passed is lawful?
[02:24:33] Unknown:
Oh, that's a good question.
[02:24:35] Unknown:
May may I?
[02:24:36] Unknown:
It's all an asterisk. The whole record is an asterisk. I gotta go. But, thanks, everybody. Sketch, I apologize. Didn't mean to to, put you down or or defame you or anything like that. So, I understand Roger's frustration and, apologize if we talked over the top of you. But, anyway, hope everybody enjoys the rest of your weekend. We're all family. We're fine a little bit, but we love each other. So everybody has a great Yes? Mark, I have a quick question too, and it could be the full moon. That's why Hold on. Hold on. Sherry, there was somebody else in front of you asking me to say.
[02:25:14] Unknown:
Hey, Marcus. It's me, Julie. I got confirmation that all my stuff got delivered to you yesterday. Yeah. You're
[02:25:21] Unknown:
welcome. Thank you. So, Sherry, you sound like you're way off. Can you can you speak up a little bit?
[02:25:29] Unknown:
Me?
[02:25:30] Unknown:
Yeah. Whoever sounds like you're way, I can barely hear you.
[02:25:36] Unknown:
Okay. I apologize. Can you hear me now?
[02:25:39] Unknown:
Okay, Sherry. And I turned my volume up a little bit. Go ahead.
[02:25:42] Unknown:
Okay. You're really good at looking stuff up as people speak about it. Did you happen to look up that, abrogation of Goldcorp? No. No. I've I've gotta go. I've got things to do. Oh, okay. No. I was just curious if you had, looked it up while she was stating that. No. I appreciate you, Mark, and you have a good Michael day. I don't know who that was,
[02:26:05] Unknown:
but just talk It was Sherry. She said we got a full moon. That's why everybody's freaking out.
[02:26:10] Unknown:
No. It was Sherry.
[02:26:12] Unknown:
Sherry. She's not full anymore. Sorry. Alright. Alright. Alright. She's good. Thanks for believe. Thanks, Mark, for, looking that up. I hope it helps. I don't know. I'm I could make sense of it.
[02:26:28] Unknown:
Well, I think the link's over in the chat box so you can look at it yourself again. Yeah. Well Gotta be what was funny is the very first the very first link that come up was Anavon Rights. When I did a just a plain Google search on it, but then
[02:26:43] Unknown:
when I got over Did you get to The UK registered one of the parliament?
[02:26:48] Unknown:
Okay. I'll put the links in the chat. If you want me to email it to you, I can.
[02:26:52] Unknown:
Okay. So so just because Anna has it, does that mean it's illegitimate?
[02:26:58] Unknown:
Well, her opinion is probably illegitimate.
[02:27:01] Unknown:
Well, I didn't get my opinion from her. So
[02:27:05] Unknown:
Well, I mean Anna. She's she's trying to make it sound like the Queen of England controls the Social Security in The United States, and this is just kind of the opposite way. If you read the document that was Okay. That was amended Okay. And and there's there's the first one is just kinda like an overview, and they have some collapsed menus, and they explain what was changed. And then they had a link to the whole document
[02:27:29] Unknown:
Right. Which is just
[02:27:31] Unknown:
it's not the actual document, but it's the digital version. Okay. And and when you look through that, you'll see it's just agreements to amend some wording and so forth. Now whether it has deeper meaning to it, I don't know. I have it's just first glance to me. But Right. I think Jannevon writes is trying to lead people to say, well, the Queen of England is still in charge of The United States. And I don't read it that way. I read that we got multiple countries who participate in The United States social security system and England, wanted to make some changes or The United States had made some changes and presented it to England. Now what's really crazy, and I don't understand it, is why was this why was this held at Buckingham Palace in front of the, Queen's Court, basically.
So I don't know what that arrangement is.
[02:28:25] Unknown:
Is that supposition on your part that it was brought to England versus the vice versa?
[02:28:33] Unknown:
At first glance, I could be wrong, Sketch, but at first glance, it kinda looks like that to me. Okay. Thank you. Or or or England might have wanted to make some changes in the wording. I don't know. I'll have to study a little bit more, but the whole document here should have an explanation
[02:28:49] Unknown:
of of why these changes are being made and who initiated the changes. Okay. Well, if anybody's gonna be able to find out, it's gonna be you probably because I can't. Alright. No problem. No problem.
[02:29:01] Unknown:
So anyway, hopefully that helps. You know, there's just we we hear so many opinions and and I'm guilty of it. I did it back when I was first getting into the quote patriot movement. And, I did the same thing because I didn't know any better, you know? Right. Right. And then you you hear people that sound so confident that they know what they were talking about, and you take it as gospel. So when people say, you really need to go look it up, yes. You really do need to go look it up. Because I can't tell you how many times I've heard, just, they'll say, well, this this case decision, this court decision means this. And when I read the court decision, I didn't see anything in there that even related to what they said it said.
Understood. So it's it's rough or so much disinformation. And guess what? The opposition, they're doing that too. You know, I don't know if Antebon rights has controlled opposition or David Strait or all these other guys. Who knows? But they they they're put they're putting out so much disinformation, and it just keeps the, I'll just say, the truth seekers. I hate to say patriot community, but the truth seekers out here, it just keeps them embroiled in these rabbit trails, you know. And and this is why I love Roger's messages. When you become a national and you mail in your affidavit and get your passport, book or card, you know, you're as soon as you drop that in the mail and they and the u US secretary of state's office receives it, it's done. It's over with. You've officially declared your status as a national, and you're and you don't have to be embroiled in that mess.
But we continue to have people that bring forth and I'm not saying you, Sketch. I think you had a probably legitimate question that you're trying to figure out. And and in a way, it may have just shored up Rogers' belief that there's no connection because, you know, I I can't find one. Maybe Cheryl can find one. I don't know. But I just really kinda walked away from it. It's it's really liberating, and I have freedom because I'm not having to constantly dig for more information. I mean, in my opinion, I could be wrong, but in my opinion, Rogers material is the holy grail to getting out of that that federal system.
And up until this point, up until I found Rogers material, And again, I'd walked away from that whole Patriot Malone stuff. I'm just so sick of it. But when I found Rogers material, now I look back at all of a sudden. And you got people, for one reason or another, that keep perpetuating the Patriot mythology. And I think a lot of them are doing it because they're getting money and they're not interested in changing it. So they they got all this research that, one, they probably got it from somebody else, then they added their own spin to it, and they continue to promote it because they're making money. And the rest of people who are who are and I'm not talking about you, Sketch, or anybody listening, but other people out there don't know any better. They they haven't learned about Rogers' message of of being a national.
So they get exposed to this. They're they're wanting desperately to get out of the federal system and get out of the tax system. They find Antebon rights, they find a David Strait, they find other people like that, and they glom onto it like it's the gospel. And they don't know any better. And so when we peep people find out about Roger's message, they want us to compare our stuff to their stuff. And I'm like, I could tell you right off the bat that if they don't understand the feudal system, they don't understand the fourteenth amendment, and they don't understand how the government was taken over, after the civil war with the with the thirteenth and fourteenth amendment and the sixteenth amendment. If they don't understand that, then they're just swimming in or they're paddling in circles.
They're just paddling in circles, continuing to share this information. And a lot of them, it has to do with with the monetary interest in what they're promoting. So I'm just telling you from from my twenty five years experience, Roger's material is, in my opinion, it's simple and it's the holy grail. And now it's just a matter of if if you're approached by a government agency, you know how to defend your status. And and that's really the only part that we need to worry about is just defending our status. And that that can be difficult, but we've got some exciting, stories, actual experiences from people who are nationals that when the feds come knocking and they show them their affidavit, they start backing up.
And hopefully within a couple of weeks, we'll have that, actually two people on to discuss that. So it's pretty exciting stuff. It it goes right hand in hand with, Sarah, whose daughter got, taken well, not taken, but she, called her daughter was rebellious and called the child protective services, and they took her. And her mother got it out by showing her affidavit and showing her daughter's affidavit. And the state didn't have jurisdiction and they let her go. Let her and her daughter go. So that's powerful. And that's because of an affidavit and and a mother and a father that stood their ground and went toe to toe with them. And and it didn't take them long to back up. So, I mean, your status is so powerful. A national status is so powerful.
It just takes you out of their jurisdiction. And, now, you know, there's other unfortunately, when you're when you're out here traveling in your automobile, you're probably on automobile, you know, that the the state and county and the city, they think you're operating in a commercial sense and, you know, you that's your that's your most obvious interface that you come in with with your government. And that's a tough one. We got split you know, we got people who are wanting to test that. Joe Luska did and see what he went through. Almost almost caused a breakup with his family until they saw that he was right, and his father-in-law saw he was right. That was most important.
But not everybody gets that chance, you know? But if you wanna push the envelope, I mean, really do your homework and have a game plan and, learn from others like Joe Lustigal what you potentially could face. The other option is to doing what I call a declaratory judgment, a petition for declaratory judgment where you're not under a potential arrest, they haven't impounded your car, and you're just asking the court whether the city or county or state have have a right to impose their their driving, laws on you as a private citizen. So that's the nice way to go about it. Now you've got a a drawn out normal legal process instead of being under the gun of fighting a traffic ticket where you're pretty much presumed guilty until you prove your innocence.
So anyway, this is kind of my position on it. So hopefully that hopefully that information helps. Yeah, Samuel?
[02:36:37] Unknown:
Yeah. Did you get that Walter Burien video from me? Look for it because I send it, and I I think, I would I'm surprised I sent it to a lot of people, and nobody wanted to talk about it today and or yesterday. And I'm I have not seen it, Sam. Did you send it to the straw man? Straw man. Whatever
[02:37:01] Unknown:
whatever email you gave me originally. That's what I Yeah. Alright. I'll go back and look for it.
[02:37:07] Unknown:
You know, this this would wipe out all taxation. That video is in in February. And at the time, he says there's $60,000,000,000,000 in assets that the government holds federal, state and local. Two thirds of it are in state and local. And he says there's no reason for us to be paying property taxes, probably should be getting a check.
[02:37:36] Unknown:
So in Alaska, I don't know if they have property taxes, but, you know, they tax the companies that come in there and pull oil out of the ground and precious minerals and and, they get taxed. And I think, the people of Alaska get, like, a little monthly check out of that. Last time I heard it was, like, $500.
[02:37:57] Unknown:
So Yeah. He he's basically saying we could do that across the country. I I totally agree. Eliminating all taxation. He he's there's another really interesting statistic that he used, Mark. He said that, not so long ago, government was 6% to 8% of the GNP. Right? He says in February, it was 48%.
[02:38:21] Unknown:
Woah.
[02:38:24] Unknown:
And he says, if we don't stop this thing, it's gonna and the reason I think it's good to share this again now now is because of what Doge is doing and exposing all this money that's laying around.
[02:38:38] Unknown:
Yep.
[02:38:39] Unknown:
Yep. Hey, Samuel. I did I did receive it. I've got it segregated out to watch.
[02:38:46] Unknown:
Alright. I'll I'll do the same.
[02:38:48] Unknown:
I think it'd be worth a great discussion.
[02:38:51] Unknown:
Hey, Mark. I'm sorry. If if Samuel sent that to straw man and it was in all caps, I know he deleted it because he thought it was Patriot Mythology.
[02:39:03] Unknown:
I don't know. You gotta make my straw man happy.
[02:39:06] Unknown:
Hello. Could you put could you put the link? Keep my mind open on that one yet. You know?
[02:39:13] Unknown:
Hello. Could you put the link in the chat so that I can enjoy the the information you you are mentioning, please?
[02:39:24] Unknown:
Brent or Sam, do you have a link you have a link to that?
[02:39:28] Unknown:
Did somebody put it up yesterday? Maybe I can put it up again today. It's I sent it to a lot of people. So I know I sent it to Paul too. So and Andy.
[02:39:42] Unknown:
Hey, Daniel.
[02:39:43] Unknown:
Can you put it here? Put it there, please. I would appreciate that.
[02:39:50] Unknown:
I wasn't hearing that. I'm sorry.
[02:39:54] Unknown:
Hey, Samuel?
[02:39:55] Unknown:
Yeah. Can you, would you be could you email that to me?
[02:40:02] Unknown:
Somebody else have to put it up there. I'm very limited on technology.
[02:40:08] Unknown:
Okay. And then, what's that stamper book with the 10 steps in it that you were referring to previously to access your SESDWE KV Trust account? Fruits
[02:40:19] Unknown:
from a Poisonous Tree.
[02:40:22] Unknown:
It's in the book Fruits from a Poisonous Tree? Yeah. Okay. I have that book. Thank you.
[02:40:29] Unknown:
It's in, the the main I think the most important paragraph in that book is only 40 pages. If you wanna see if you're gonna like that book or not, read Magicians. It's in that chapter as well.
[02:40:41] Unknown:
Yeah. I have the book. Thank you.
[02:40:44] Unknown:
Yeah. Hey, Sam. Do you recall what what wording you put in the subject line for that? Because I'm not finding that email. Walter Burien, probably.
[02:40:54] Unknown:
Walter? Okay.
[02:40:56] Unknown:
Let's just do Walter and search my subject lines for that. Nope. Okay.
[02:41:04] Unknown:
How you feeling about the importance of trust?
[02:41:09] Unknown:
Yeah. I know we're trying to retire, like, income tax and half or road pirates and not be frisked by TSA by having a national, like, with a quote, yeah, they can't touch you. Well, if they're still touching all the stuff that got created before you were a national, I think it's important to set the record straight and I yield.
[02:41:32] Unknown:
I remember Walter Berrien now that you, really close to that, Glad Hearts, the capper. And I remember remember that years ago. Man, that's that's been a long time. But I remember him talking about the comprehensive annual financial report, CAFR, which people refer to as the CAPR, and it's mind blowing. So, yeah, I think, Samuel, that's a really That's what it's about, Mark. Yep. And it's it's in three parks,
[02:42:06] Unknown:
and, so don't let the length it's pretty long, Gary. Because you get you could do the parts and, and and one is always is actually how to execute doing it by hiring and I don't know what type of an account or the accountant. He said that you need to audit your local people in order to get them in line, and and then he wants you to go ahead and, get a resolution started and, change the law so that, they have to start disclosing this stuff to the public. Yep. Yep. It's like they have a a book about now. Sets of books.
[02:42:47] Unknown:
It's like they have a set of books they they present to the public, and then we got, like, this off app, what do you call it? Off book accounting.
[02:42:58] Unknown:
Yeah. One one book doesn't have any of the assets that they've occurred over tens
[02:43:04] Unknown:
and years. You know? Good point. I think the one that they share with the public is just showing all the money that's brought in, but they're not disclosing all the assets that they hold. Something like that. Yep. This is Bruce Hart. I gotta go. I appreciate everybody. Good discussion today. And if you want to dig in a little bit Have a good one, Mark. Alright. You too. Talk to you. Somebody's got their speakers on and it's vibrating.
[02:43:30] Unknown:
It's tearing up the
[02:43:36] Unknown:
the
[02:43:37] Unknown:
show. Thank you. Hey, Sancho.
[02:43:40] Unknown:
Yeah. Hey. It's Larry. What exactly did you read and Cheryl came on and said she rebuts what you had mentioned? And did you respond to that?
[02:43:54] Unknown:
HR-one 92, she could be technically correct. I mean, I don't really it wouldn't surprise me. But people use HR 192 because it shows you, I guess, in their discussion the remedy that Stamper is talking about in his book, which is what I'm thinking HR 192 is really this trust that was set up to protect them from being accused of treason when they took the gold standard off. You know? And really, has Congress Congress pretty much gave up the ship to the president since Lincoln. You could see the power that, Trump is actually taking right now. It gives you an inkling of what he can do. And if you look at the past executive orders, he could pretty much put a ring in your nose if he wants to. So, you know, this is where we are.
[02:45:04] Unknown:
Well, it's a good show that we're still under the emergency powers for him to continue to execute executive orders or issue them.
[02:45:15] Unknown:
And a lot of these statutes according to well, I always forget who I read it at, but a lot of those are an asterisk because it's a it's a suggestion. It doesn't have any force or power of law, and I think that's what she was sort of pointing out. Right? However, if you volunteer to it just like the fourteenth amendment, well, there you go, you know. They've achieved their goal whether it's lawful or not.
[02:45:45] Unknown:
Are you saying the, HJR one ninety two has an asterisk in it? Oh,
[02:45:51] Unknown:
it probably does. Yeah. I don't know specifically if that one does. But
[02:45:59] Unknown:
Yes. It does.
[02:46:02] Unknown:
And it is not a be it enacted. Be it enacted creates law. If it doesn't if they can't show you be it enacted, they can't show it to you on IRS, They can't show it to you on a whole bunch. They they can't show it to you on property taxes. If it doesn't say be it enacted, it is not law. They might call it legal because they use statutes. Statutes are in pure law. Statutes aren't even law.
[02:46:39] Unknown:
Well, I
[02:46:44] Unknown:
I mean, I'm not really disagreeing. I think you're probably point your point is well taken. But my point is sort of we did we really haven't had a properly sit sitting Congress since Lincoln.
[02:47:00] Unknown:
It's the senator down the hall, you know. You're absolutely correct. However, the people have yielded since Lincoln. So if the people are yielding to the corporation, guess what? We don't have any standing.
[02:47:20] Unknown:
Yeah.
[02:47:21] Unknown:
Sure.
[02:47:22] Unknown:
Cheryl, are you saying that, we should not depend on HGR one ninety two?
[02:47:30] Unknown:
It's not a be it enacted. It's a resolution. Resolutions are not law. It's a discussion. It was a discussion.
[02:47:42] Unknown:
Yeah. But what the discussion was about, I guess, is my point, is how to how to get out of this. Forty years.
[02:47:50] Unknown:
I read. I read constantly. I have read all this stuff. I have the abbreviation of Gold Claws on my computer. So go get it. Go read what I've read. I am a huge reader, a huge researcher. I I've been around for twenty five years listening to all the pay, p a y, myths. When I I watched when, Analvan Rees came on to the scene and I said, judge, let's prove that. And what I found is she's got a name that's two paragraphs long. I mean, come on. Judges don't have that. So so, I mean, I'm telling you, I am a reader and researcher, and I'm not I I don't speak bullshit. I will not I will not say a thing if I don't know.
I yield.
[02:48:53] Unknown:
Let me use the word statute in two different ways. Okay? This is according to Prost. This is the political, like, 15 statutes at large is designed to keep federal courts from taking jurisdiction. Courts cannot take judicial notice of the fourteenth amendment. On the economic side of the, the argument, all courts take jurisdiction through the fourteenth amendment until one proves otherwise. Codes are streamlined private interpretation of statutes at large for public purpose. Codes allow the courts to take judicial notice of the fourteenth amendment. Codes apply to anyone who has not made a public notice of his political choice, which is our affidavit.
[02:49:45] Unknown:
Right.
[02:49:47] Unknown:
So you got there's there's statues and there's statutes.
[02:49:53] Unknown:
Well, read go go to your legal library and go look at your statutes and read the front page. Apply to the people. So how is it that your state can put a statute on you when it specifically states it does not apply to the people? Go photocopy that page so that when they pull you over, you can say, excuse me, officer. Are you you're you're referring to a statute and show them that page. I yield. Come on, guys. Read. You need to read.
[02:50:34] Unknown:
It's breaking up. Yelling in the Ihaveacom I had to comment after everybody's done.
[02:50:43] Unknown:
Can you repeat that again? I wanna know what she was reading. I need to go read that.
[02:50:49] Unknown:
Go to your local legal library and pull just all you need to look at is the state statute first edition and read the front page where it talks about what it is. And it says right on that first page, it does not apply to the people. Thank you. Government. It's rules if you're a if you're a government employee, it applies to you. But if you're one of the people, that does not apply to you. That's why it's called inferior law by the, Supreme Court.
[02:51:31] Unknown:
Cheryl, is this, is this written in each state's statutes?
[02:51:37] Unknown:
Well, I read it in California. I read it in Texas, and I read it in Florida. I have not owned a TV in forty years. I'm a reader. I I hate that I have to read anything lawfully, because I didn't wanna be in the law system, but I got pulled in illegally, and I'm still fighting it. And and, the other thing you might wanna look at is US versus USA. You know, all these other books, the book of a hundred, all these other stuff, US versus USA. Is it is it superior that.
[02:52:22] Unknown:
There you go. They've changed that website. I think it's now usavsus.info.
[02:52:32] Unknown:
Okay. Well, I I haven't looked at it in a long time, because I looked at it and listened to the audios fifteen years ago.
[02:52:42] Unknown:
Mhmm. Yeah. They changed the site, but it's still the same content.
[02:52:48] Unknown:
Okay. Well, that's good. But but I I would recommend you listen to the audios. Find the audios because it's pretty powerful stuff. And Social Security is a total nexus. You claim to be a US citizen. You claim to be a resident when you did that. And you that's one of the very first documents we did. And I don't believe necessarily until I travel. If I can get through TSA if I if TSA waves me through, I'll believe I'm a national. If they don't, I don't believe it. And anybody who has not traveled better not say they're a national. Prove it to yourself.
[02:53:40] Unknown:
Hey, Cheryl. I'm trying to understand, your point as far as when Samuel read something out of, out of a document, and then you said I rebut that. And then you went on to explain something about the HJR 192 is a resolution and we need to look up the gold standard. Can you elaborate on what did what you're trying to say there? Like, what what's your explanation? Be it enacted.
[02:54:13] Unknown:
The the aggregation of gold clause starts with be it enacted. That makes it law. That makes it law. And all the people who are using h j r one ninety two are not getting remedy. Use the statues at large and the abrogation of gold clause if you're looking for remedy.
[02:54:40] Unknown:
Okay. Are you allowed to get out of there?
[02:54:44] Unknown:
Hold hold on. He's allowed to get out.
[02:54:46] Unknown:
HR one ninety two does according to what I But it's just a joint it's a resolution that has not it's a bill that didn't get signed into law is what she's saying. It's just a joint resolution from the house. They wanna make it law, but they didn't.
[02:55:03] Unknown:
Yeah. But you're not listening any better than she is. The abrogation of gold cloth.
[02:55:09] Unknown:
This is this is the way to get out of it by listening to what they were talking about because they were trying to save their freaking asses. You get it?
[02:55:20] Unknown:
Okay. Hold hold on, Cheryl. You said that we need to depend on we need to depend on the gold abrogation clause to find remedy. Now give me a specific example of how someone going to 192 can't get remedy on something, but going to the gold clause, they can. Give me an example of that.
[02:55:49] Unknown:
Okay. I I have never been in debt, so I I can't speak to that. But I have listened to enough Patriot mess where people are saying this and that and the other. I read the banker's manual. Banker's manual said, you're a bank. You are a bank. So when you sign a promissory note, you are the bank. So why would you sign a mortgage note? You are the bank.
[02:56:20] Unknown:
Gigi, I have one question. The banker's manual,
[02:56:25] Unknown:
and I read the the statutes at large. I listened to people for years. Way back in February, they were talking about HJR nine January. And and, I think it was, creditors in commerce is where I first heard it. Have any of you heard of that?
[02:56:48] Unknown:
Gigi, I have one question. You just mentioned that you would have never been in debt. Now you had a court case where I think you were fined and you acquired debt. Is that true?
[02:57:05] Unknown:
I I don't recognize that as a debt. How many do you pay a debt with a debt? I have tried to pay with gold, and they refuse it. Gigi. And so Gigi. Or the UCC gives me discharge.
[02:57:21] Unknown:
Gigi? Did you discharge? That ain't Gigi. That's Cheryl. That's Cheryl, not Gigi.
[02:57:27] Unknown:
Oh, Cheryl. Sorry, Cheryl.
[02:57:29] Unknown:
Cheryl. It's okay.
[02:57:32] Unknown:
So so you say you've never had debt, but you discharged debt. So you did have debt at one time and you discharged it. Is that correct?
[02:57:45] Unknown:
I followed EON for years because EON No. No. No. Hey.
[02:57:51] Unknown:
Orders. I asked you a simple question. You said to us that you've never been in debt, and then you just turned around and said I discharged that debt. So did you have debt or not?
[02:58:04] Unknown:
No. I no. Not I don't believe I have. And my credit is How how do you discharge a debt you don't have? How do you discharge a debt you don't have?
[02:58:16] Unknown:
What's the purpose of that?
[02:58:19] Unknown:
Okay. Like your electric bill. That's they they consider that a debt. I discharge that every month.
[02:58:29] Unknown:
You said to us, you've never had debt.
[02:58:33] Unknown:
I don't have debt. What's the purpose
[02:58:36] Unknown:
of discharging a debt you don't have?
[02:58:40] Unknown:
Okay. I live in America.
[02:58:46] Unknown:
Lots of people think I am a debtor. Answering the question, Cheryl. I'm sorry. Relax there. Relax, brother. Relax. It's just semantics. Okay? Her electric bill might be considered a debt to some people or it's a bill or it's whatever. And she says she discharges it at the treasury with the with the Fair Trade,
[02:59:11] Unknown:
Act. Is that right? Cheryl? That's what the abrogation of gold cloth.
[02:59:16] Unknown:
What is it?
[02:59:18] Unknown:
Abrogation of gold cloth. So you send that to them every month? Every month. Well, actually, you know, I Can you describe how you do that, Cheryl, please? Wait a second. I started using that way back, oh gosh, when I was in, California. I was using aggregation of gold claws. Texas too. But I started listening to EON, and he said just do a money order. And so and and he's got ten years of doing he's a money order king. He's got ten years with his YouTube channel showing you how to do a money order. So I switched to his process. Just do a money order. Which is one that you you create.
Yeah. Well well, you just put no. You put it across their statement.
[03:00:12] Unknown:
Walk us through it. Walk us through it, Cheryl. What do you mean?
[03:00:17] Unknown:
He does a money order diagonally on the statement. He says a statement is,
[03:00:24] Unknown:
not a bill.
[03:00:26] Unknown:
Right. Right. Right. So he says just do a money order right across the statement. Okay. Let me clarify this. You're right on that statement.
[03:00:37] Unknown:
Don't forget. A statement includes a coupon at the bottom. The statement is the top part portion. The coupon is the small portion that is in the same shape as a what what we call a check. Is that where is where are you writing the money order on?
[03:00:55] Unknown:
The whole thing goes back. I I I I I do it diagonally, and the whole thing goes back. And I've never heard diagonally
[03:01:03] Unknown:
just say this is a money order?
[03:01:06] Unknown:
No. No. And I don't have the wording in front of me, and I'm not gonna go try to find it because you all should do your own homework. I'm not here to instruct anybody. I'm just here to make sure you get the truth. Okay? You use HR one ninety two, it's gonna fail every time. Use fabrication of gold clause, and you will succeed every time. Hey, Cheryl. The bankers' manual so that you understand you are the bank. In fact, I have a I have a friend who just sent me his, what did he say? His bill of exchange, and and he he had it paid.
So Cheryl? You need money, use a bill of exchange. Cheryl? Start reading about that. I have a bunch of friends that are doing what I do. Cheryl? We've been for twenty you. Hi, Yield. Hey, Cheryl.
[03:02:14] Unknown:
Hey, Cheryl? I I I can anybody hear me?
[03:02:19] Unknown:
I can. I went on mute. I I don't I I'm not here to instruct you guys. I just I wanted to listen, and I heard misinformation,
[03:02:29] Unknown:
so that's why I spoke up. Okay. Can I just can I just say something real quick? Do me a favor. Real quick? I think what Cheryl's doing, and I think I know how to do this because I have the secret banker's manual too, and I'm not done reading it, Cheryl. I'm a little behind you. But she's taking the, bill and you take a blue ink marker and you basically make a big, huge Z on it and you're using blue ink. And there's specific wording that you tell them what to do. And you use that as the money order, and you send that back to them. And there's it's specific wording that you use, and I have it. I can post it, but I just don't have it right here. I'm I've just never tried it before. Am I correct on that, Cheryl?
[03:03:10] Unknown:
Yes. You are. Is that Julie? Yes. This is me, Julie. Yes.
[03:03:15] Unknown:
Yep. You're absolutely right. I know you're a reader too, Julie. Yeah. I read I've yeah. I've got 19 books I've got 19 books next to my bed, so that's all I do is read too. I'm like you.
[03:03:26] Unknown:
Alright. Cheryl, you said you you do you discharge your electric bill every month, and you're not here to instruct. But can you at least tell us what you do on your bill?
[03:03:39] Unknown:
I do a money order, and I told you it's on EON's channel. Go to YouTube, find EON. He's got ten years of instructing on how to do a money order. Learn the process, guys. I'm not gonna tell you the process I used because it may not work for you because you won't understand what you're doing. How who to send it to. That's also part of the game. You know, it's not you don't just, like, nail it in to the utility because there's people that won't that open the mail, and they're expecting a check. They'll throw your stuff away. So you need to learn how the process works, and it works.
I use. Yeah. Yep. I'll make
[03:04:27] Unknown:
you guys If you had somebody if you had somebody conspiracy, working on a conspiracy against you to take you down and do you damage, would you like to have access to that document and read what they did and how they were planning to mess you up?
[03:04:43] Unknown:
I I'll get the you guys, I'll get the stuff. I I have it. It's I've tried I have you have to know who to send this to if she's correct. If you just take this and stick it back in the envelope and send it to the utility company, those people that open it up are just administrative. It's going to a billing department with administrators who know nothing about they don't even know what a national is, let alone a citizen of The United States. So those people are not going to process that. They're going to send it back to you as unpaid with late charges, fees, penalties, and interest on it. It's the same thing with your mortgage. When you get in the mail a mortgage statement, that's the same thing as an electric bill statement.
The correct thing is they should have sent you If you really owed something, it would say invoice on it, but it doesn't say invoice on it. It says statement on it. So they're not really billing you for something. They're basically making a statement, Pay us. They're commanding you to pay them. And so what you do is you tell them to take it back. You take a big, huge blue marker and you put a Z over the top of it And you write in, you write there's certain words you write, and you write it at an angle on the z at an angle and you sign it a certain way. And the money gets you are you're banker. The money gets taken out of your bank, which I guess I could tell you guys is I'm pretty sure here is your Sesame KV Trust account. That account does 100% exist, and, it it exists. I know it exists, And and I know that there's a way you guys that we can tap into that account. So as as as Sketch said with, Fruits of a Poisonous Tree Tree by Stamper, that one, chapter, he's correct on that.
So, anyway, that's what Cheryl's talking about and that's how she's making her
[03:06:35] Unknown:
she's not really making her payment. She's just mentioning
[03:06:38] Unknown:
Sorry, Samuel. I'm sorry. I'm very sorry. You guys sound alike to me on my phone here. So she's basically just charging a debt that way, and she's just using semantics there. Well, let me
[03:06:51] Unknown:
I mean, the reason Stanford brings up HR one ninety two is because they're discussing how you do these nine steps to qualify for everything you're talking about. It's in his book. It's on page 67, nine steps. And it's it's from HR one ninety two. This is their conspiracy to make sure they weren't committed for treason for taking away the gold.
[03:07:19] Unknown:
What's the name of Stanford's book? It's fruits of a poisonous tree.
[03:07:24] Unknown:
Oh, I've never read it. You know what? The bible talks about the fruits of a poisonous tree. I thought it was a bible thing. No. I've never read.
[03:07:38] Unknown:
I have that. I have
[03:07:40] Unknown:
I have the book, fruits of a poisonous tree in PDF. If you want guys want me to drop it in the FCC channel, I'm happy to do so.
[03:07:48] Unknown:
And and guess what number step step number one is? It's our our it's our affidavit. This is his word, though, because he doesn't know about the national status when he wrote this book. Your claim is being one of the people must appear on the public register, the secretary of state. That's your first step in doing this process. So we got one step in.
[03:08:14] Unknown:
Yes. So does he say The USA Secretary Of State? Because most people would think it's the state secretary of state. I mean, I have a question.
[03:08:26] Unknown:
He he sent his he sent it to Madeleine Albright in in the beginning of the book. He talks about expatriating, and he sends his expatriation papers to Madeleine Albright. But he's basically doing what Gross is is saying when he's expatriating. He's not expatriating out of the country. He's expatriating out of the democracy and back into the republic.
[03:08:51] Unknown:
Well, I'm just wondering instead of calling ourselves nationals that we should just state that we are, one of the people of The United States Of America.
[03:09:03] Unknown:
Yep. There's there's something I think in that. I I just have a spidey feeling that that could be, could be somewhat I mean, ultimately, the way I look at it is under God. It's not under all of this man made b s. Ultimately, you got to include God in your documents because that's the true owner of us and everything else. I have a question. I don't disagree, but I'm just saying instead
[03:09:32] Unknown:
of stipulating that you're a national, that you stipulate you're one of the people.
[03:09:39] Unknown:
One of the people from whatever state you were born in. Not America doesn't exist. You haven't heard USA in I don't know how long. USA does not exist. America does not exist. So you need I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad
[03:10:04] Unknown:
I
[03:10:06] Unknown:
is a country in and of itself. I yield.
[03:10:10] Unknown:
I have a question. Is there a difference of the two terms? The the US State Department and the Department of State.
[03:10:27] Unknown:
Yeah. Reda The US versus US. Yeah. Absolutely. There's a difference. Well, of course. You know, just like just like just like if you look at an atlas, the original atlas just showed it as Florida, Minnesota, New York, Kansas. It was never state of. Cheryl? State of is a fiction and is a franchise fiction of the corporation.
[03:10:55] Unknown:
Cheryl, I'm gonna ask you a simple question. Could you please, in two in a short paragraph, please tell me the difference between the the state department and the Department of State?
[03:11:10] Unknown:
I I don't know. I'm sure I've read about it, but it's not something that's in my head to to remember because I don't use them. I don't do anything with
[03:11:22] Unknown:
Alright. Does anybody else know the difference between the state department and the Department of State?
[03:11:33] Unknown:
Why don't you just,
[03:11:35] Unknown:
do a search for it? Because we're having a conversation here, Cheryl, and I was asking The Department of State is is What is you were,
[03:11:45] Unknown:
and the State Department is de facto.
[03:11:48] Unknown:
Thank you, Dave. Bless you.
[03:11:52] Unknown:
Hey, Cheryl. Cheryl, who's the, this this gentleman you said you listened to? Is he on YouTube? Elon? Is that what do you type in to find his his content?
[03:12:06] Unknown:
E o n e o n. And he also he just changed he's got a new channel. So to probably tell you about his new channel, because he he switched. He has so much content on that one that he just created a new one last year. He's a black man, and he's, he's like me. He's a researcher. I've talked to him several times, and we've exchanged information.
[03:12:38] Unknown:
Yeah. In law, in juror, in law by right versus at law. Article three courts versus article one courts. Law of the land versus law of the sea statutes, revised statutes. Is your government inside the constitution, de facto government outside the constitution, article one, section eight, you know, clause 17. It's It's not disinformation if you're reading the remedy that they tried to bury you with it. I mean, in in Stamford Steps, HR one ninety two is the insurance policy that you have to reference so that your steps are in order. It's step number four.
[03:13:41] Unknown:
Okay. So who is this man? Because I've never heard of him. So so the bit where I start is who's the author of the information, and what is his standing, and where did he come from? Yeah. Do you know who he is?
[03:14:00] Unknown:
Yeah. Everybody here knows who he is, I think.
[03:14:06] Unknown:
Well, who is he? I've never heard of him, and I read a lot. I I have read thousands of books in my years. Thousands. I read five a week. He's never hit he's never hit my table, and I don't read fiction. I read all nonfiction.
[03:14:26] Unknown:
Hey, Cheryl. I just looked up, e o n on YouTube, and I can't find any black man that does, videos. Do you have more information connected with that name?
[03:14:40] Unknown:
Not in front of me. I'm not even anywhere near my computer right now. He's on there. He's definitely on there. I maybe, a YouTube search for, money orders or aggregation of gold plus because, he's one of the first that I heard, about that. Neon does a lot of stuff. Mortgage fraud, a whole bunch of stuff. I've never had a mortgage on a house. I signed the promissory note. I make sure they put the keys on the table. I signed promissory note, and then I say, I I pick up the keys and I say have a good day. And they're always going, oh, woah. Woah. Woah. Wait. Wait. Wait. And the only thing I'll sign is their three day notice.
[03:15:47] Unknown:
What's the three day notice?
[03:15:51] Unknown:
The cancellation clause. I'm more everybody gets one. And it actually, if you're if you're too afraid to do what I did, in the three day notice. As soon as you get home, in the three day notice, now you have the key. You don't have to mess with anymore because they lied to you. You read the contract, and that's everybody's problem. You don't read. You you assume that you have to get a mortgage. Well, so the the very and they don't read it to you. You know, I I I have a lot of rentals. I read my lease to my tenants. I read my lease to my tenants. How many of you have a lease? How many of you rent and your landlord sat down and read the lease with you?
[03:16:54] Unknown:
Hey, Cheryl. I just found a channel called e e o n. Is that the one?
[03:17:04] Unknown:
Yeah. Probably.
[03:17:06] Unknown:
Yeah. There's two e's in it.
[03:17:08] Unknown:
Oh, okay. Alright. Well, you know, forgive me, but, you know, I I have them bookmarked, and I really don't pay attention to the channel. I just know I'm on his, and I subscribed to it. So, you know, years ago, I subscribed to it. Now now I'm subscribed to his other one. I forget what I forget what he calls the new but he's he's great, and he's a great researcher. You know? He tells you source. He tells you his source. If people cannot tell you their source, don't believe a word they say. I think Mark mentioned about people telling them about then he'll go read the court case and doesn't say anything like that. I'm that kind of a researcher too. You give me the case that you're and case is not case cases are not law.
And I always hear people going, oh, oh, there's a case far on that. It's not law. It's just a site. It's just something you can cite as a reference. It is not law. Cases don't create law. Yeah. People say a lot of shit that they don't know what they're talking about.
[03:18:28] Unknown:
I think you would enjoy reading the book. Stamper's book, Melvin Stamper, was a a JD. We really don't know whether he used his Juris Doctorate to become a judge or not or whether he became an attorney because he usually has to prerequisites. Right? So just to clear that up, but here's a little bit more of his background. The author served his country as a US Marine in Southeast Asia, a police chief, railroad special agent, CIA intelligence source, industrial engineer, pilot, law professor, legal researcher, private investigator, and ombudsman with the Department of Defense.
His analytical skills are honed by all of his experience and education for the investigation of his life, the United States government. That's in his forward. And he's reference and then he's referencing HR one ninety to as their insurance policy to protect them from treason.
Introduction and Show Overview
Property Tax Resurgence and Issues
Tennessee's Property Tax Relief for Hurricane Victims
Property Tax and State Income Tax Discussion
Corporate Tax Strategies and IRS Regulations
Alex Jones and Infowars Discussion
Trusts and Property Ownership
County Secession and Local Governance
Extra Constitutional Laws and Bankruptcy
Usufruct and Property Rights
Cestui Que Trust and Fourteenth Amendment
Social Security and International Amendments
National Status and Patriot Mythology
Statutes and Legal Interpretations
