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In this episode of the Radio Ranch, host Roger Sayles welcomes listeners to another engaging session on the Network. The discussion kicks off with a light-hearted introduction, acknowledging the various platforms supporting the broadcast. Roger introduces his co-host, "3B," who provides credit to the platforms and networks aiding their show.

The conversation transitions into a reflection on a recent two-hour discussion sparked by a simple question from a listener named Jesse. Roger emphasizes the importance of having tangible assets over ephemeral ones like stocks and paper money, drawing historical parallels to advice given to Americans in Germany during the 1920s.

Roger and his co-host delve into the intricacies of the monetary system, referencing historical figures like Rothschild and contemporary ones like Elon Musk. They discuss Musk's recent press conference with President Trump, highlighting Musk's candid demeanor and his interaction with his young son during the event.

The episode touches on political dynamics, with Roger expressing admiration for Musk and Trump as a formidable duo akin to historical partnerships. The conversation also covers the reactions of political opponents and the humorous exchanges that have emerged in the media.

Listeners are treated to a lively discussion on various topics, including the role of judges, the intricacies of trusts, and the concept of private membership associations. Roger and his guests explore the benefits and challenges of setting up trusts, with insights from listeners who have experience in the field.

The episode concludes with a spirited exchange about the power dynamics in the U.S., the role of nationals, and the importance of understanding one's legal status. Roger encourages listeners to continue learning and empowering themselves with knowledge, emphasizing the transformative impact of the information shared on the show.

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Yep. We're trying. It's changing. It's changing pretty good without our impetus, but we wanna add some in there. And the more folks we get on board with our little platform, the   more power we've got. So good morning. Another session here.   The Wednesday   edition,   02:12   is the date stamp. Roger Sales, your host, and the name of our get together is the radio ranch. We're supported   and aided by a number of other platforms, and   the keeper of said platforms is   is three b. That's a new nickname. It's three b. So three b,   come and give these folks their proper credit for helping us. Would you please?  



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Okay. 3, I guess. That is me.   Good morning, Raj.   We're,   Morning, Paul. We're on radio at socialmedia.com.   Of course. Right.   And we're also on let me check one thing here. Yes. We do have level. Okay. We're on radiosoapbox.com.   Thanks to our buddy, Paul,  

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Spine.  

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We're also on,   one zero six point nine   WVOU   FM Chicago.   Thanks to,   WDRN   production, Sport Collins, Colorado.   We're also on homenetwork.TV,   freedom nation TV, go live TV, and stream life.tube.   Thanks to WDRN   productions and the net.   The, oh,   the next   net family of broadcasting   services. Is that the next net or just the net? Let me see. I've got it. The last   network standing.   There we go. The Net family of broadcast service. There you go. We also have EuroFolkRadio.com   brought to us by pastor Eli James. That is our   flagship, our anchor stream,  

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and we have Global Voice Video Network.   The links to your Vocal Global Voice  

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are on the matrix stocks as well as the link to free conference calls so you can join us live on the show. We have room for about a thousand of you.   And  

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Well, come on. We're waiting on you. What kind of mayhem that it would be. Just waiting on you. And we need to,   give,   give our prayers to Eli as he's recovering from a triple bypass   surgery. I haven't heard any updates on that. Have you talked to Paul about any of that there, Paul?  

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No. I have not.  

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Okay. Well, you may get a chance to ask him tomorrow. You and him have a little shindig tomorrow afternoon.  

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Yeah.  

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Yeah. Yeah. Paul, I think, tomorrow is Thursday. Correct me if I'm wrong.  

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Tomorrow's Thursday, 3PM eastern. Paul English live dot com. You'll find links to where you can catch the stream. It's on Yes. W b o three two four. It's on Rumble   d live.  

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Mhmm. All over. And we, we, have a lot of affection for   sir Paul. Sir Paul, we'll call him over there. Well, good morning,   audience, wherever you are, whoever you may be, and wherever you may be.   Good morning.   Pretty good show yesterday on that whole, kinda got off on Jesse's   simple question the day after Monday's show was over. We went in to cover it, and it ended up taking two hours. But   that's as I tell you, you can take any one of these subjects here that we're dealing with or any one of these points in the   timeline   on important events, and you can talk about them for hours. And yesterday was a prime example, and there's a lot of more stuff we could talk about about that and just didn't have the time left.  

So, the bottom line was,   it's a real wise thing to get have something solid, something,   as they said in the twenties   from the US Embassy to the Americans in Germany, buy things.   That was the telegram they sent out, buy things.   So anything that's solid will retain some sort of usefulness and value. And the other things like paper and stocks and all this, just these ephemeral things, they're just gonna go by the wayside.   And you you got all your money. You insist on keeping it in the bank.   And when this thing goes down, you're gonna get shares of that bank.   Just what you always wanted is shares of a bankrupt bank. Right, Paul?  

That, you Here's what we're talking about. Yeah. Give me more Well, no. It's not worthless. You can wipe your butt with it in the morning. Okay?   So,   it it has it has some value, but not much. Alright?   So,   okay.  

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Thanks for clarifying.  

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Well, I mean, you have to be you have to be exact here in this world. You know?   And that's about what those equity peep pieces of paper are gonna be worth. But, it's very interesting, the monetary system. I mean,   like old man Rothschild said, give me control of the nation's   coin, and I I don't care who makes the laws because he knows that man's heart is dark. No man shall know it. Most people are bribable.   Elon Musk isn't, it appears, but he's got plenty underneath him already. When you're in that position, you can,   you you're gonna try and bribe me with money?  

F f you.   So, anyway and mister Musk is,   this guy's a character,   Paul.   And I don't know if you or the audience saw any of the press conference from the Oval Office yesterday afternoon with him and president Trump. Did you happen to see any snippets of that?   No.   It's pretty cool. Really. I mean, he's up there next to the Oval Office, and he's going over what's you know, there's reporters in there. They're asking him, oh, what about this? And he goes, well, it's just this and this and this and   tells them exactly what's going on. And, well, you're gonna go in and do the Pentagon next. Is there checks and balances,   for for from the contract you've got from the Pentagon? Yes. That's already been the predetermined   and this, that, and the other. Trump comes in and answers it. And the whole time I'm watching this, and,   Elon kinda stutters a little bit. He doesn't stutter, but he's   hesitant in the way he delivers his thoughts.  

And,   so I'm looking there.   And next to him on the floor,   he's got his little three or four year old son.   And he's just sitting there on the floor, national international press conference,   all this stuff. And so the kid gets up, and he's he's being very quiet. He he's not   trying to upset anything. And,   finally, he gets up and and moves around a little bit. He comes over. Daddy, pick me up. He didn't say that. He says, you know, like, you're down at his feet and reaching his hands up. So dad picks him up   and holds him there for a while, and he's being very,   maintaining his   place, let's say. And then he wants to climb up around Elon's shoulders. You know, like kids like to sit on their dad or mom's shoulders. So he climbs up there, and Elon's taking questions,   giving these answers. The whole thing is going on, and this child starts putting, like, his hand over his eye and stuff. And he just reached he doesn't doesn't miss a beat, just pick picks his hand up, moves it away from his eye. And it was just a really interesting scene. It was kinda neat, really. I don't think I've ever seen that before. Maybe John f Kennedy always had his children around,   you know, a little bit.  

I remember those scenes, and, it was just very cool. I'm I'm liking Musk more and more,   and,   we   him and I I was trying to think of the historical duo   of those two, you know, like, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid or   Tonto and and the Lone Ranger, that kind of thing. You know? But they're kinda like a team like that.   And, it's it's quite cool.   The Democrats are   going apoplectic.   They're having psychiatrists come to Capitol Hill. They're all freaking out.   You know, I think I I I don't remember if I mentioned it yesterday or not, but there was a cartoon. I heard Harrison talking about it, and there's a cartoon, Paul. You'll like this. There's a cartoon, and the psychiatrist is at his desk, and one of these,   apoplectic   democrats is over on the couch.  

And and the psychiatrist, the caption is, well, did big balls really touch you?   They're just going so crazy, man, and and they're just egging them on. And so,   what Musk comes out and says, well, I don't I don't I don't know about big balls, but I got hairy balls. So now we got hairy balls out there too.   Paul, if you don't like your other nickname, you can adopt that one. You're free to do that.   And,   anyway, it's an it's an interesting scene that's going on up there. And Trump's just totally in command and from some of the people I think JD Vance came out of some meeting here the other day, and somebody asked him how mister Trump was doing. He said he's having the time of his life.   Can't you imagine that he is?  

Just think, all the stuff he's done, all the the highs and lows of his life and,   having to deal with these bastards all the time in construction and finance and all that, seeing what they've done to the country, which he's been aware of for decades.   If you don't believe me, go back. You can find an interview, Donald Trump, a young Donald Trump,   with Oprah Winfrey about thirty years ago. Well, folks, he's saying the same thing he was saying in that interview. K? Saying and doing the same thing. So he hadn't changed. He's still that guy, and   he's just an exceptional man in history. We're very fortunate to live in this time. I mean, he's gonna go down like a Napoleon,   hopefully not with the same ending,   and some of those things. But, he he is a real high point in history and   an exceptional individual and human being, it appears. K? It appears.  

Roger. We'll see. I wish he could get these damn Zionists away from me, but they've given him so much money. He's beholden to them.   K? And he's got two of his children married into wealthy Jewish families. Also, I'm sure that complicates   the situation. Yes, Larry. Good morning.  

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Good morning. Yeah, I watched that press conference,   and he had his son sitting on top of   yeah, it absolutely was. I want you to tell the audience,   about   how they they tried to investigate the, the Treasury Department   and this federal judge, I guess, put a stop on everything.   But did you hear him explain   to the press that there is this certain individual that was on the books   receiving payments from the government for twenty years and that contract had long ago expired? Yes.  

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Yes. Yeah. I did. They they what they found was they go in and find contracts for, like, three months long. And then after the contract closes, they don't stop the payments. And this guy they were referring to, Larry's talking about, I don't know who it is, was getting paid for that three month contract twenty years later. Well, if you're the recipient of that, are you gonna go back and say, hey. The this this ended five years ago. You're gonna do that? Well, you might. You're honest type person.   There are a few of those left around,   mainly Christian people, honestly.  

But this guy didn't. They also found three. He was going over it in the press conference on how you don't wanna check. It's got four down at the bottom. Well, they got these huge payments, and there's no notations.   Don't know who it went to. Don't know what it was for, and there's no way to go back. They try and find the account that it's going to, and they can't. It's a private account, and they can't get the account name. It's just money going   out. Huge sums of it. So our currency, excuse me, duh, currency going out. And,   then this judge you're talking about, Larry, the one that has put out the   temporary stoppage or whatever whatever they call it, it escapes me at the moment. But stop trying to stop   this.  

Turns out, I forgot he I think he was an Obama appointee.   Right? And his wife   has one of the first nongovernmental   organizations ever set up with,   USAID.  

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No comment. New York   judge.  

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No. He's a he's a federal judge. I don't remember if he's in New York or not, honestly. Maybe.   But I'll tell you what. You wanna talk about purging,   they need to go in and do a total   thorough comb   of all the judges that are sitting judges.   Now some of those are lifetime appointments, but   you can impeach a judge. There was a do any of you remember the guy that was in a wheelchair in Chicago   on the air years ago, fifteen, twenty years ago? His name was   Sherlock or Sheldon or   something. He was a Jew. Does anybody remember that in Chicago? He was the one that impeached. They got a, a a, I believe the guys no. The operation was called Gray Lord, I believe.   And they went into the seventh circuit and got one of the seventh circuit judges impeached. This Sherman Skolnick.  

No. None of you came forward. My I had to go back and get my memory working. Sherman Skolnick was that guy's name.   He was crippled,   in a wheelchair and a Jew and a real advocate. He was always to on Tom Valentine a lot,   and he literally got, one of the judges, don't remember what his name was. I think   the name of the operation was Grey Lord. Some of you might can put that in the search engine and see if it comes up.   But I'd like to see him go back and go over all these judges, you know, right before in the law,   before Trump was inaugurated,   Schumer and the Democrats put through and he's even mentioning. So we put three more judges.  

Yeah. 200 something liberal ass judges they put on the seat before Trump got inaugurated.   K?   So, that would be a good endeavor for them to go at. I'm sure with mister Trump's recent experiences,   he wouldn't be opposed to that.   So if they can throw you away, maybe they can chisel some of those crooks out of there. Lady Linda, it would be my joy to speak with you and the audience would be overwhelmed   to know what you have to say this morning. Yes, ma'am. Thank you,  

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greetings all,   listeners and friends.   I,   did see the,   the press conference,   and it was so delightful,   seeing this dad,   have his son, you know, putting his fingers in his ears, and he had a giggle and said, my son's putting his fingers in my ear. So could you repeat that question or whatever?   And, but, you know,   and but, you know,   one of the commentators says he's so,   conscientious about economizing, he didn't even hire a babysitter   to, watch his son.   I in different opportunities, I've seen Musk walking through the Capitol, and his son would be on his shoulder. So he's a father of 12, and his eldest,   went under surgery  

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unbeknownst to him. They stole it.  

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Yeah. So he's, probably being very conscientious   about being a dad that's present.   In spite of all the work that he does, he doesn't wanna make,   the error maybe with the first that was estranged and, maybe has many regrets the jury felt. All of us who are parents, mothers, fathers,   we look back and we say, well, gee,   where did I get it right? Where did I get it,   if I could do it over again? And you look at a family like Trump and you see the devotion of that family to their father and their grandfather.   And it brings me to tears. I mean, he might be the monster the one saying,   and maybe this is controlled opposition.  

Maybe he's the, you know, devil disguised in sheep's clothing. I don't know the hearts of men and women. I just, know the fruits of their labor. And the other thing I'd like to mention, if I may,   it must revealed that there are several   hundred and 50 year olds,   getting so dirty.   And, you know, he he hesitates. The way he speaks, it's almost like he doesn't want to offend anybody when he speaks.   So   he hesitates almost looking for the president to give him permission to speak and Trump did. He says, give us some examples.   Give us some examples. So he speaks about these 150   year olds and then he hesitantly says, I would believe that they're dead now.  

You know? And then he said about some lady who got $200,000   a year because most of the USAID   people get the three, you know, the six figures.   And he says, you know, she's a millionaire. Now how do you become a mil he said, well, maybe she did some good stock trades and stuff. So he wasn't really accusing anyone. He just says, it appears this, it appears that like a good,   advocate. You know? Yes. They don't come out and say we're a liar. They it's like John Kennedy. I love the way he,   questions people when he's on the senate floor.   And then, last but not least,   he shares about the, the list where you're no longer supposed to pay these people. And it takes a year to get on the list. And then once you're on the list,   you still get paid.  

And and then he, you know and then he says, then there's this mine shaft so they can only Oh, yeah. Hire 10 people   a year.   And it goes down a shaft in a in a Manila envelope.   And if the shaft has some kind of technical difficulty,   then nobody gets to retire on that day or on that particular whatever.   And,   then there's also a picture of the mine shaft, and everybody's in, like, this underground bunker,   and everything's done by hand with boxes and boxes and boxes and boxes of stuff. And, living where I've been living for the last thirty five plus years,   I get the shaft. My own shaft. Yeah. You know? Well, you know the old Yeah. Just  

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Do you remember the old country, Linda? Do you remember the old country song? I forgot who sang it. You remember the old country song?   She got the mine and I got the shaft.  

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Well, I know the comedian who would say talk about his stuff and he would be going to Hawaii and getting his stuff,   George Cowan.   So I can identify with people   who have a lot of stuff and I'm in this season of my life where I want to get rid of stuff.   So I applaud you. I applaud your influence.   I applaud the fact that you've managed to live simply   and you don't have anything that is entangling you when so many of us, rarely in the prison of stuff.   So I I I cannot   disparage,   the Trump, Musk team at this time because I I I've listened to all the other,   negatives   about them. I'm not naive.  

But, at this stage of the game, it delights me. I'm gonna send you a video that I just listened to this morning with Tucker Carlson interviewing Mike, p e n z.   He,   explored this corruption   years ago,   and he was shut   out. And this, conversation Oh, they put him out to   Right. They put him out to pasture, didn't they? They put him out to pasture, didn't they? Yes. They did. And, I just have maybe, you know, twenty or thirty more minutes to this,   wonderful expose. Oh, please send it to me.   Excuse me. I will send it to you, and I'll need you to call to  

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Okay. Thank you. Okay. Thank you, Linda. Delightful report.   I had forgotten about the 50   year old, person. I'm sure there's more than one   over   center centurions.   I bet you there's more than one centurion. There's probably just one or two that are still alive.   I think I've heard when you turn a hundred, you get a letter from the president.   Used to, seems like. So, anyway, yeah, you know, there's a lot of padding and   grifting that goes on off the Social Security thing.   I I just,   I'm I'm still somewhat in a daze and a little unbelieving that we're seeing all this stuff because   it's the things that you would love to have seen over all these years, and these people   pretended to be so strong and seemed to be on the surface   so strong   that there was just not any way to really positively   think, you know, that this is gonna come about at least in my lifetime, and damn if it hasn't.  

And it shows what I have maintained around here for a long time,   and that is that these people are really weak.   K? They've got a lot of coins. They got a lot of wealth. They've stolen most of it.   Excuse me. But,   and they've got a lot of power and influence because of that wealth.   But they got nothing else. Everything else is there on these really thin ice ponds,   like the one we break daily around here for six days a week.   This monetary system. Everything is so frail and fragile, and I think that's why. I mentioned it over the years. You know? If back in our gathering, it's CCG, which was the Citizens for Constitutional   Georgia.  

And, we had moved our meeting from   this hotel, which was closer to downtown,   that the feds were all over. The people at the hotel would tell us. They say, Ben, the FBI was around here this week asking questions about you, you know, and all that kind of stuff.   And so something happened. I don't remember if they tore that hotel down or what. We had to find another place, and it was out. Those of you who may be familiar with Atlanta on the North Side of where 285 in Roswell   are. And,   right there inside the perimeter at this barbecue place and very congested there, but a lot of people had built up. It's been   a congested area for a long time, and,   we had,   a smokehouse barbecue.  

Smokey's barbecue, I think, was the name. It was delicious. And if we go in there and eat dinner, they'd let us have the room above us for the meeting.   And so we took a lot of advantage of that.   And,   there on the room had a balcony that would overlook the little street that connected into Roswell Road there, and there was a shopping center across the street, relatively small.   You know, ten, fifteen stores in a kind of a horseshoe box, horseshoe type configuration. And at night, the none of the stores were open, so we'd park over there. You know? Because parking is pretty challenging. And, so we'd have a break. People would go out and smoke during the meeting, and they'd go out on that balcony overlooking that parking lot. And   there were out there one night, we could see flash bulbs going off.  

And and probably the ADL   is out there taking pictures of the license plates   of the cars   where the people might be in that meeting. Now I would ask you this rhetorical question. Does that seem like somebody that's really strong and secure in their position?   They're having to go out and snap snapshots of license tags and keep all these individuals. That's not somebody that's strong. That's somebody that's very weak.   Okay? And I think their whole deal is this, and that's why they get so apoplectic is they understand that.   We don't because most of the people are on the other side of their moves where they're intimidating you, scaring you into a corner. Oh, no. I couldn't do that. I was a neighbor who got a house stolen by the IRS. You know, all that kind of crap. And the actions that they put a pull put a uh-uh of on the people over the years.  

That's their only power right there.   I mean, how many of you since you've gone through this   have gotten this empowerment thing that we talk about   And and and you realize these things and you ain't scared of those people anymore.   Well, I hope that's a lot of you. I don't know if it is or not. But this information can do that for you if you haven't achieved that yet. Just keep at it. Keep studying the material. Keep thinking about it. Keep learning and understanding it. And at some point, that process is gonna start for you. Okay?   So that's the, you know, the good things what we do. We get enough   we get enough folks, get a shot at a big platform or something, you know.  

Folks, we're gonna be formidable to deal with.   Okay? Now, I was wondering,   about   the   guy, the judge there. I think Larry asked the question   about the judge that did the,   I don't know,   anyway, the stoppage,   trying to stop   telling the Treasury Secretary,   the Secretary of the Treasury,   who we know is the governor of the fund   in bankruptcy.   So this judge is going back and saying, you can't even look.   If you've got anything that you've gotten out of there, you gotta destroy it and you need to forget about everything you've seen. That's what that judge says. He doesn't cite any authorities   or anything else. Now, what could possibly   be   going on there?  

Query   some of you good minds.   What could possibly   be going on there?   Nobody   has even got   a guess?   There's something that's sticking up like a sore thumb. What's going on there?  

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Nobody you would suspect maybe some maybe some things that are gonna be discovered would rather they would rather were not discovered.  

[00:28:21] Unknown:

Yes. Like, that they're associated with the International Monetary Fund   and controlled by the International Monetary Fund in,   especially in the legal   hell, excuse me.   The legal and the,   both of those things. The legal and the and the money. Okay? So is that and now I don't think he came out and said that, Bob.   But isn't that an interesting possibility   that, he's bringing forth   the powers of the International Monetary Fund, but not stating it, obviously.   So don't know. It's just speculation on my part. It just hit me when I was listening to all that stuff.   So we'll see. Yeah. You know, again, day by day.  

But, that would be the only reason he'd have to have any legitimacy, and I'm not sure about that   legitimacy   specifically,   but any legitimacy   to try and stop this be confirmed   by the congress and the senate secretary of the treasury   to not look at the books and to forget everything he's seen and dispose of anything he has. That's pretty unusual, Bob, wouldn't you say?  

[00:29:36] Unknown:

Yeah. Seems a little bit,   provincial, like, protecting their own border.   Did you realize,   maybe you got this, maybe you didn't, but Jamie Raskin, that shrill Oh, I hate that bastard. Rascal from just hate that.  

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Maryland.  

[00:29:52] Unknown:

Well, guess what?   If he were to be prosecuted, he could be because his wife is a deep stater deluxe,   and he is in a position of power. It would be a conflict of interest, but somehow   somehow   It never got brought forward.   Yeah. And she sold   He'd be in a position to know and she sold a bunch of stock in this particular deal that netted this two of them well, netted her, but, of course, the two of them millions of dollars. And it never came up that he was Yeah. Big surprise. Into both pots.   Yeah. Shocking, isn't it?   Oh, I just keep saying that little creep. You you made me you made me chuckle here about five minutes ago. And and Yep.  

That's always good. Our local newspaper   our local newspaper years ago, it ran a headline. It was talking about hundred year olds in our in our county, and it said   feature it's something I don't know how to something about featuring centurions in our county.   And you said, you know, you're talking about the hundred plus year holders.   And the the actual word is centenarians.   And my wife and I sent that into Jay Leno   because he did this thing called headlines where he took headlines but didn't make any sense, you know, if you actually proofread them. And it actually got put on and it was   it was a pretty good chuckle. And when you said that about centurions,   I I flashed back to that headline on our local paper. Centenarius   was would be would be the hundred year old. I guess the centurion was  

[00:31:25] Unknown:

the leader of Roman A Roman soldier. Right?  

[00:31:29] Unknown:

Yeah. A leader of a hundred, you know, would be the century. Well  

[00:31:33] Unknown:

You're not kidding. You're not kidding. You're not kidding. You're not kidding. You're not kidding. You're not kidding. You're not kidding. You're not kidding. You're not kidding. You're not kidding. You're not kidding. You're not kidding. You're not kidding. You're not kidding. You're not kidding. You're not kidding. You're not kidding. You're not kidding.   You're   not kidding. You   You know, we're in a jovial mood here with all these positive things happening, these changes going on, and things look, you know, overall,   well, they look a hell of a lot better than they did a year ago,   and, is very positive. And I'm quite, we're supposedly,   Tulsa Gabbard's gonna get confirmed today.  

It will hopefully get Kennedy and, and and our, our our little Indian   Indian buddy in.   Oh, why why can't I remember his name? K. Anyway,   Kash Patel. Kash Patel. A bunch of Indian, you know, that's a very, very common Indian last surname, Patel.  

[00:32:18] Unknown:

And, oh, god. Is it ever?  

[00:32:21] Unknown:

Man.   Every every hotel owner. Province.  

[00:32:25] Unknown:

Yeah. Probably. Surname for most most of them from the same province. It's pretty much ubiquitous with with, motel owners.   Yes.   And you get in there from   Guzerot province.  

[00:32:37] Unknown:

I knew   a a kid who sold stuff and he was I don't remember what he was dealing with, but he was dealing with one of these pattels   in one of these hotels, I think, and they always sit you down and go, let me show you my family. And they pull out the wallet. It streams out with, like, 15 kids. You know?   But, yeah, they're an interesting bunch, the Indians. That's for sure.   Centurion. Okay. Well, that was a Roman soldier, and centenarian   is the correct word?  

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You get the prize. That's correct.   Oh, I like prizes. Like I said, it just made me chuckle.  

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Yeah. Well, that's okay. Roger. Anything we can do to lighten the mood around here, Bob, is a positive thing. Thank you, sir. Yes. Larry, what do you do to make you chuckle?  

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Well, it's interesting   that name Patel.   I have delivered to virtually   every   motel and hotel   here in Jacksonville, Florida, Jacksonville Beaches, St. Augustine   and practically   every motel, the owner is named Patel. Can you believe that?  

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Yeah, I do.   Everywhere I go,  

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I usually run into the owner, like eventually I'll run into the owner   and   I'll meet him. And Right. It's always a Patel that owns the hotel.  

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Well, I mean, yesterday, you know, we have our Tuesday lunch, and we have a a little place. We've been going there too long, but it's too established to move, really, because there are people that might not see the message and wanna come and there's nobody there. So we continue to meet there. It's a little place called El Patio   and, there's about   eight eight or nine different ethnic   ethnic   restaurants and cuisines   in there, and one of the better ones is Indian.   And,   the guy   the guy that runs it is named Patel.   That's, you know,   so it's all over the place. Alright? But and I had some of, Patel's food yesterday. As a matter of fact, chicken curry, it was   simply delicious. K?  

So,   anyway, that's, going on there.   I don't know. There I know that the the Indians,   well, they're very industrious, you know. And, and some of them are quite bright, and their very   parents strictly educate a lot of them.   And,   one of the things they're doing here and have been doing is they they're they're with all of the,   DEI crap that,   the Dems have been hoisting on us   is there are people that specifically   are Indian in The US,   and they have got connections with corporations.   And they go out and ferret these candidates   out and come bring them to them to hire under the DEI thing.  

And the problem is that in India,   you can't ever get anything confirmed.   You get you go to their school and try to get their school records. Well, you can't   be sure it hadn't been, you know, copied and faked   and and all that stuff. So we're getting loaded up with these people bringing in their fellow Indians for these high paying jobs and they're, Well, it's a lot of it's a scam. I don't know how much. I've just heard it talked about a little bit, but that's the kind of crap we gotta go in and try and, you know, root out.   And I dare say, mister Trump, we're not no matter how fast they work, I don't think you can get all that stuff done in four years. Now we'll see. Maybe they'll be able to. I hope so.  

But the rot is deep and the corruption is deeper.   And,   it may be that it's gonna be JD Vance. He may be the   chosen follow-up or   you got a pretty good wealth of Republican candidates. Matt Gaetz is out there. There there's several real good ones. Okay?   So we'll we'll see as that goes forward, but just all I say, just pray for mister Trump and mister now mister Musk because Musk is his absolute right arm. K?   Because he can defer and deflect everything over to Musk. And then Musk, anything they aim at him, he can deflect it and defer over to Trump. I'm just I run everything past him. I don't make the decisions.   Yeah. This time working at his   at his pleasure   and and doing his bidding. So it's it's quite an interesting setup. Hey. Here's Mark. Hey, Mark.  



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What do you think? You're you're waiting on some of this. I'm rubber you blue. What whatever you bounce off of me sticks to you.  

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Alright. Cool.   Are you feeling it? That's what you're feeling.  

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That's like Musk and Trump. Right? And the press secretary?   So you you throw anything at them and just get bounced off of them and it sticks to you.  

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I mean, I like that little the Kaylee McElhinney, the the one that was the first press secretary,   was just super sharp, and so is this.   She is really sharp. K? Yes. So but what else would you expect from Trump? You're not gonna get that black,   transvestite   foreigner lesbian that was in there for three years.  

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Oh my goodness. Yeah. Yeah.  

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Poor girl. Like, can you imagine having that job   and trying to fend off all that everything? There. She  

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she dodged. She, you know,   she,   misrepresented.   It was just such a smoke and mirrors show from her. It was pathetic.  

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It was.   Yes. It was.   So, Mark, you feeling better? You sound better.  

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Oh, feeling better every day.  

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Yeah.  

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So yeah. Yeah. A lot of good stuff going on.   Have a lot of people wanting to, you know, join   our private membership on doing the trust.   We're calling it Your Legacy Trust   Club.   Club is the same thing as the association.   So,   Anyway, we got,   we got people signing up. We're almost at our limit.   You know, we have some commitments and people putting   putting checks in the mail. That's why they wanna pay for their membership, and that's fine. It's a lifetime membership.   And,   so we're excited about that. We're just   probably about two weeks from kicking that completely off with our first class.  

Yeah. And,   I'm very excited about that. A lot of people are too. So  

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You know, Bob was on right   Bob was on right before you, and he had been on he he said he'd sent you something when you were sick, and that's why I shot you that message to Oh, okay. Go back and see if you can I'll try to go back and look at that. Or, Bob, if you're listening, send me a new even a fresh email.  

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At  

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you can send it to me at   strawman@mark,allcaps,.com.   Straw man   at mark,   all caps dot com. It does not have to be capitalized.   Right. Now if you if you're interested in the trust, this is for the general listening audience,   if you're interested in in, more information or joining   our private membership on, you know, doing your trust. And   here's the thing too. When I get done   or I should say, when we can get done with our training,   you know, not only will you be able to,   you know, know how your trust operates, understand your trust document,   you know, you could help friends and family do their own trust.  

So, you know,   I think this is really gonna empower a lot of people,   you know, to not only help themselves with their own,   estate planning and asset protection,   but, you know, they could help guide their friends and family in the little things that they don't understand or don't know.   You know? So,   now if if, again, if you're interested in about the trust membership   class or group,   you can email me directly at mark,mark,@yourlegacytrust.org,   o r g on the end.   Mark@your,y0ur,legacy,legacy,trust,trusp,.org.   So if you again, if you have any, you know, questions about the membership in the our trust club, then, email me there,   and, I'll I'll be happy to answer your questions.  

But I tell you, this has been some exciting times. I,   I was watching,   the news, our local news, or maybe it was the evening news, national news.   And I just a quick question. I want people to think about this before I tell you what's about to happen.   When you have a group of people,   usually   two or three or more,   and they get together   and they intentionally   discuss   how they're gonna break the law   with the full intent of doing so, what do you call that?   Anybody? Anybody?   Bueller? Bueller?  

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What's the question again?  

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Premeditated?   Okay. So a group of people get together.  

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Conspiracy.   Conspiracy.  

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Thank you. Ding. Ding. Ding. Ding. Ding. Ding. I need Dave on his bell.   Dave, we're Dave and the thumb, where's where's the ding, ding, ding, ding? Nancy did Nancy, was that you? You moved to the head of the class? Yeah. It was me. Yeah. It was me. Alright. Way to go. Okay. Way to go. So it's called conspiracy. Right? So on the national news last night, they discussed   how the,   I believe it's the mayors   of these   cities that are sanctuary cities, Chicago, New York, LA.   I don't remember the other one. There was, like,   Portland,  

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Seattle,   or or New York.   You might have said that. I there's a number of them.  

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Houston. So they're gonna they're gonna meet   and talk about how they can hide the illegals   from the law enforcement.   Now that could potentially also be aiding in a bed.   Sure could be. So I would love to see Holcomb   and the US marshals   crash their meeting after they've done their discussions. And, of course, it's gonna be on public record. Right?   And just arrest them all. I I would love to see that.  

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Well, some of them may be the beneficiaries   of that action. I wouldn't I wouldn't mess with homing  

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myself. No.  

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No. And, man, did you see   that did you see that little he did a short press conference somewhere in the street,   and one of the reporters asked him, well, the pope says, did you hear that?   No. I did not hear that one. The pope is coming out against home and what he's doing with the migrants.   And he goes, look. I'm a lifelong Catholic. I was this, that, that, and then the other. And the pope better go clean up his own damn church before he worries about our immigration   status.  

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Oh, I'm watching that. He he held  

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back no punches. Some I'm sure some people in the audience saw that.   So good for you, home, and I I like him more by the day.   I just think Trump has really surrounded himself   for the most part. There's probably some weak links. No doubt. He has surrounded himself with really strong people.   And then he went back and took away yeah. You can in a second, Dave. He went back and took away all of the   security for all these guys, including Pompeo,   Bolton,   all of these neocon creeps that stabbed him in the back last time.   He's savvy. It's a different Trump. Yes, Dave. What? What do you got?  



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Yeah. Maybe that pope should, tear down that wall around Vatican City and, that's what he said. Illegal than the Well, that's  

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Hold on. Hold on. Said. He said that's what he said. He said, they got a wall around the Vatican.  

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Right.   Unbelievable.   These people are just  

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incredulous. They're they've had it their way so long because everything was silent. The people were still sleeping.   They control the major media,   and people ate it up the crap that they put on the floor every time, but that changed.   And I gotta go back to Eustace Mullins. There's   a tape of Houston who's   now demised, unfortunately,   one of our great leaders in in our movement, and he was being interviewed there before he died. And he goes, well, the God was merciful on us, and he gave us the Internet.   That's about as true a statement as you're gonna find right there. God was merciful on us, and he gave us the Internet. Now at that time,   approximately,   when Newt Gingrich, who was mentioned here yesterday or the other day,   was speaker of the house for that contract on America.  

And his headquarters, his campaign headquarters in Georgia   was about two miles from my house. It was very close to my house.   And,   he,   he was he he just unleashed unbelievable crap on The US, Newt Gingrich.   I didn't say this the other day when we were talking about it, but   he was he was a teacher, I believe, of history,   political science or history. I think it was history at Kennesaw State University. And he evidently   centered on that   area and that district and that job so that he could run for congress.   And so there he had some,   compadres   in at the university of him there. And when he got elected as speaker of the house,   some of you may remember,   he appointed a female   who was also   a teacher at the Kennesaw State University   as the house historian.  

And the Jews went back and read her PhD thesis and sort of picked out some sentence that she said and just railroaded her, you know, made a scene and all that. And so my friend David Strait, who is not the charlatan out there, but was the self made millionaire businessman   who is, just such a great guy. And David, his big event of the year was Christmas party every year, and he would throw a whale of a Christmas party.   And so, we were very good friends. And, I remember one of those Christmases remember this book that's caused us so much problems lately or me, the United Slaves of America?   Well, that I had a case of those, and David bought the whole case and gave them to as Christmas presents one year.  

So and it was that year, I believe,   that, he would have assigned seating   at his you know, he put people together that he knew had something in common. And so he put me at the same table   with this girl,   this woman who had been named the house historian that they'd run out of town on a rail.   Okay? And her husband. Now I I cannot remember her name. She's very nice, both of them, and extremely conservative.   And her husband is one of those couples where the wife is about four inches taller or more than her husband.   And he's a little short guy, and he taught political science   there at Kennesaw State University.  

And just delightful to have them at the table. I, of course, knew she was, but had never really met or talked with her.   Excuse me.   Oh.   That incident came up,   and,   she said he would she was in a meeting with Newt Gingrich in his office   with,   oh, who's, Foxman?   Abe Foxman, the guy that was the   former head of the ADL.   And she said when he came in there and sat down when he said jump on the desk,   Gingrich jumped on the desk.   K? And and so there you so who who wields the power   to the head of the the speaker of the house of representatives.   And she told me that right out of her own mouth right there at that table. Right?  

So, it was, just an interesting incident. I don't know that I'll ever forget it. I was super impressed with her husband.   And,   he,   we talked a lot or a bit that night about   Empire of the City.   If some of you are looking to, you know, read on the history and the background of this and study,   that is a really important book.   It's by a guy named Knuth,   I believe, k n u t h.   And the title of it is the Empire of the City,   and it's all about the geopolitical   events that led up to the world wars and why they happened and all that stuff. Quite interesting, quite revealing.   And in the,   on the cover, there is a   quote from a guy named Stanton, I believe, who was the last secretary of war   before they changed the name to the secretary of defense.  

It's in the forties, I believe.   And his quote was, this is the only book that's on my desk,   Empire of the City. So if you really wanna read some of that historical stuff,   Okay? K? It's one of those books like that.   But,   that was a delightful evening, and, I I I'll never forget her telling me that about that meeting in   the house speaker of the house's office with Gingrich and mister Foxman.   And it was quite evident who was the boss. Okay? So, anyway, just something from the memory and the experience,   time backlog in my memory.   Roger. So we got yes.  

Yes. Yes.  

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Yeah. This is Larry. If Mark's still there,   I was wondering if he can   explain   what is the determining factor to get an EIN number on a trust   and also if he would explain   what the EIN number is all about.  

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Sure. Roger, are were you done with your your,  

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Well, I was. Yeah. I could say EIN is entity identification   number. Go ahead, Mark.  

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Well, you know,   this is all stuff. It's gonna go to our members.   But   you you can go online with the IRS,   and you can   put your your trust name in there,   and follow the steps, and you get a   I wouldn't call it a EIN. It's a tax identification   number for banking purposes only.   That's what it is. You're not doing business through there. It's just a tax identification   number.   And you're not the trust isn't hiring anybody.   So   once you get your tax identification number, we use that to open up a bank account for the trust.   The trust is fully funded now, and the trust can now   receive funds   from the grantors or the beneficiaries   or even the trustee,   and that's used   to maintain the trust. If you have a home in a trust,   you got taxes, you got insurance, you got upkeep.  

That should all be done by the trust and and funds coming out of the trust.   And that keeps,   it's separate from the people who transferred it into the trust. Okay. That makes sense. Question mark.  

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If if go ahead. If you're the grantor with the house and you granted into the trust, are you the one that's responsible for providing those funds?   Or or is that in the agreement as to who's gonna do that? May have maybe, hey, kids. You're gonna get the house. You gotta pay for all this stuff. You could it be you defer it to your children?  

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Yeah. You could do that. But if they drop the ball   and and don't pay it, maybe they don't have the kind of funds to pay it,   then they risk losing the home to a tax sale   or something like that. So Uh-huh.   Okay. I would make it I would make it pretty broad that   anybody,   whether they're a trust   one of the the,   trust members or not,   that, anybody could contribute funds to it. Now you can even   make a I'm gonna give away all my secrets.   This is really for the private members, but   I will I'll leave you with this.   You could even make it so that the trust   could make a loan.  

I'd be very cautious about that.   Some trust, they say, no. You're not putting the property. You know, if the property is bought and paid for, they're trying to protect it and keep it in the family,   they're like, no. You don't you don't get to to borrow money against the trust.   Now maybe they can borrow money against a different asset inside the trust,   but they don't get to borrow money against the real estate   because they could risk losing it.   So it could be done lots of different ways. It's all what you put into your trust document.  

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Okay.   Alright. Well, you might wanna if people missed the other day, Mark is starting to do trust. He's got a little, exploratory,   project here. It is headed by a PMA.   And then the first ten, have you had more than 10 respond already?  

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Yeah. Yes. Lots. We had lots of people.   You know, we got people saying that,   you know, they're writing a check or or money or mailing it to me. So   for those people, I'm holding their position when they send me a tracking number after they send it by priority mail. So once I got their priority mail number,   I mark them down and say They got a spot in line. Potentially, a paid member.   We're right at ten,   but that's commitments. Right?   So,   it's really whoever's gonna pay first.   I might because I had a lot of people, you know, upfront wanting to join.   Maybe took a few days to kinda pull the trigger and said, yeah, I do wanna be part of that.  

So we may run over a little bit, but I do not wanna go,   much more than just a couple of more members,   you know, just so I can support everybody.   Because I'm gonna help you   I'm gonna help you one on one write your trust,   and and we're gonna work on it. This is not gonna be a template trust   where  

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you have no say in it, and you get it, and you don't know what to do with it. That's, I mean Yeah. That's what attorneys do for the most part. Is it it's it's not one of those where they have to pay you in gold and send it to South Dakota No. When they send it to you and all that?  

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No.   No. No. Okay. They're they're gonna sure. You know, now I will give them an outline of a trust   that's that's gonna be a common law trust. This is a what we refer to as an express private trust,   and it is private. There is no dragging this into court and showing all your records.   When you transfer property,   they have no right to look at your trust documents.   So but what I wanna do is I will give them an an outline, you know, and then we're gonna talk   one on one about   what they want,   you know. Actually, I might do that upfront. We'll we'll talk,   give you an outline.  

We're gonna work together one on one to complete your trust   to get it right where you want it. It has everything you want. What you want left for your beneficiaries   and how you want it distributed.   If you want something   protected and stayed in the family.   How how are you gonna handle, like,   if something happens like unpaid taxes and nobody has funds to pay the property tax? How are we gonna handle that? Right? Or you got some kind of repairs.   All that needs to be taken in consideration. You need to give the trust some flexibility   to handle those situations.  

So   and then when your last   when the the the last   remaining spouse passes away, or whether the grantor   or their   surviving spouse passes away,   then who's how are you gonna select as the trustee to step in and execute that trust?   Mhmm. And this is an irrevocable   trust because,   like I said on Saturday, if you haven't heard Saturday, I   I strongly   ex you know, recommend going back and listen to Saturday's program.   I probably went,   gosh,   an hour almost two hours   and and fielded lots of different questions about, you know, the the trust.   So,   what,   oh, I just lost my tray. I can't hold it. Got a question?  



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I got a question for you. Just a second. Okay. Just a second. Alright. Well,  

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wait till he's finished. I just lost one of your feet. Go ahead. The The gentleman had the question first. Yeah. He was in there first. Normally  

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There's the lady first. Okay. Well, thank you very much. It was the lady that was in there. Thank you. This is Muse.   Hi, Muse.  

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Hello.   I got a question about the whole loan thing.   How does it affect when you have to take the property out of the trust if you have to refinance   or do some kind of loan?  

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You don't necessarily have to do that. That's one that's one bridge I haven't run off yet. But,  

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I I did try to run off that bridge.  

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You said you did? I tried.  

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Okay.  

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And they would not let me. Like, the banks So you couldn't leave it hold on. Hold on, miss. Let me explain. Yeah. So I'm I'm gonna try to give you back your question so I understand what you're saying.   So what you're saying is you left the real estate inside the truck,   and they would not let you borrow money against it. Is that correct?  

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Correct. Correct.  

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I think it can be done, but it has to be done a certain way. If not, you're gonna have to have a provision in your trust   to move it out and then borrow money against it and then put it back in the truck.   So I hear the Westword. We're gonna say goodbye to Chicago. Well, yeah. We're gonna tell the loop.   We love you, please.  

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Yep.   We're sorry. You got such crappy leadership up there. Go ahead, Paul.   Paul's not there.   Alright. Well, thanks. We'll still we'll take over for him, in Chicago. If you wanna join join us, you can go over to the website, thematrixdocs.com,   and pick up the second hour off, either join us live if you want to, or you can pick it up off one of our broadcast entities.   And, we're certainly glad to have you along. And I am I've had a whistler seems a little longer than normal today. And, I'm sure sorry you got a crappy   Republican and name only governor and an absolute   inept and incompetent   black communist mayor. So sorry. Yes. Sorry.  

Yeah. Paul White, I took over for you guys. Go go back to sleep. Thank you, Rog.  

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Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm I'm kind of,   kinda knee deep in in roof leaks and things like that. So It's still happening?  

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Mhmm. Do you? Yeah. Okay. Well, okay. Go back and It's been dripping for days. Okay.   Here. I'm gonna quote this lyric. I want somebody to tell me what it is and where it came from.   I'm fixing the hole where the rain gets in   and stops my mind from wandering   where it will go.  

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My mind's a blank.  

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Nobody knows that?  

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Beatles.  

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Beatles, Sergeant Peppers.   But what what what's the lyrics saying? I'm smoking a joint.   I'm fixing a hole where the rain gets in   and stops my mind from wandering.   Be brilliant Beatles, Larry. Go ahead.   We we had, we had the lady ask, I think, and now was the guy there that was so generous to give her that first slot.   Or did muse that we got you. Right? You got your question answered. I think Yes. Market that on the end. Okay. Sorry. The interruption was Chicago. Alright. Who's the fellow that wanted, to ask? Sketch. Sketch.   Okay. Yeah. Good day.  

Yes. You are.   It it costs money to join the private member association   and do this course?  

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Yes. It's it's a one payment, lifetime membership,   $750.  

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And do you have your website up yet?  

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No. I don't. It'll be up here shortly.   Still working on it.   Okay. Alright. And, But but I figured by the time everybody gets their payments in, payments gotta clear the bank, and, you know, it's probably gonna be about two weeks before we   get fired up on it. And plus, hold on. Plus, the members have to sign their membership agreements   and and get those sent back to me.   Right. So there's gonna be a little time and frame in doing that. Also,   excuse me, there was,   I thought was a really good inquiry because they're like they wanted me to send them   a a copy of the private membership agreement in advance.  

And I thought, well, you know, I'm offering   a seven day, you know, no questions asked refund.   Okay. So what I'm thinking what I'm gonna   do is when you get your membership agreement,   if you're not satisfied with it,   then the the moment that you get it, you got a seven day, no question asked, refund.   Yeah. Now as a group, if there's something,   I don't know,   kinda hard to hard to, you know, something we need to add to the membership agreement or as a group. And and this is what I'm saying. This is a group. It's not just me.   It's not not really a dictatorship.  

But once our group is officially formed,   then if we wanna make some changes to our membership agreements, we can do that. Maybe we have some different rules and things to protect   the group. It is private, and it needs to stay private   so that we can all help each other out. We can work towards our common goal inside the membership without,   fear of, I wanna say retaliation.   So,   again, once you get your membership agreement,   if you look at it and say, oh, there's no way, then just let me know, you know, and just you're refunded.  

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And I I'm gonna tell you. I mean, breaking news. Dave, hold on. Alright. Go ahead.   Thanks. Breaking news.  

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Oh, I'm sorry. I yeah. Chelsea Grabber just got confirmed 54 to 48.  

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Yay. That's a good margin.   And That means some of the that means that means some of the democrats crossed over and voted for her.  

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Yep. Right.   And Pete Hexa said to Ukraineia,   that it's unrealistic   for them to think that they'll get any of their borders back   pre,   2014.  

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Oh, the the the Russia's gonna Russia's taken the land in the battle right now where a lot of the rare earth minerals are located over there.   I doubt if Russia's gonna give that up. K? No. They're not. By the way,   Dave, I don't know   I don't know if you heard, but they this been going on for a couple years. I remember when it first surfaced couple years ago, one of the,   defense ministers of Mexico came forward and said these gangs are getting military grade weapons. Remember that? Belt fed machine guns. You know, and what's happening is it's the weapons were sent into Ukraine.   The Ukraine's turning around and selling to the drug cartels. They found 200 And I also heard they were getting Afghani stuff that,   Bill Biden left over there. Very, very well could be. They're getting that. They found 256   fully automatic m sixteens,   belt fed machine guns,   and a number of other, high well, military weapons. So Stinger missiles,   that's the problem   is that could take down a Trump plane.  

Working with the CIA   Yes, sir. Working with Yesterday,  

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that there were 95   tanks   on a rail heading to the southern border.  

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Well, I mean, they they don't have planes yet. So they're they're, you know, tanks have kind of become obsolete in these my in in modern were warfare,   because you can take it out with a frigging drone.   Right? Just like aircraft carriers. Aircraft carriers are all intents and period   purposes in the whole carrier group are obsolete. They take it out with one exit missile   that they can't   they can't get ahead of time and and and blow up.   You know, I was explaining this to somebody the other day. See, the Russians   use physics   that was developed by a Russian physicist   and not   Newtonian   physics.  

So they kinda have a different way of designing and looking at things   because their physics background is different.   Okay? Now about five years ago, the Black Sea there,   which is Russia's only warm water water part through what you was Ukraine that they took back over there on the eastern part, Donbas,   And there there are some ports. Russia's   traditional   port is Sebastopol,   which is right in that area.   And, The US had an Aegis   class destroyer   in the Black   Sea. That's one of the ones, I guess, that shoots cruise missiles and stuff.   And, a little a little piper cub private plane came flying around   and, of course, didn't isn't threatening.  

So they didn't do anything, and all of a sudden, everything on that ship went dark.   All the controls,   all the computers,   everything, and they couldn't get it back up, and they had to tow that ship into port.   That was about five years ago.   Okay?   So Russia's got some real advanced stuff   for whatever it's worth.   So who else has got some questions? Anybody with something for Mark?   Are we still on the air?   Did that story get us kicked off there? Okay. Alright. Good. We are. Now we're still on the air. I just came online and heard something about a private membership agreement.  

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Could somebody just read to me what that's about?  

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Yeah. Well, Mark Mark, who are you first of all?  

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Chris in California.  

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Oh oh oh, okay, Chris. I didn't recognize your voice yet. Go ahead, Mark. Well, it's this trust thing we're talking about. Brief him up real quick, Mark.   Mark,   you this guy has got he's hold on a second. This guy, Chris,   has got Richard McDonald's   whole lot of law library.   You ever hear us talk about Richard McDonald, the state citizen from California?   Yeah. Chris has got his whole damn law library.  

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Wow.  

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So FYI.  

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Alright. So the question was, the PMA. What is the PMA?  

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No. What what were we doing with it was this question. He knows what it is. Yeah.  

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Oh, I just heard  

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of some some kind of private membership agreement. Yeah. Yeah. Private membership agreement where, you know, you can you can put a group together that's private for for all anything.   There's private medical groups   where everything's done   inside the group,   sometimes with the doctor, sometimes not with the doctor.   But it's all maintained inside the group, and and, it protects you from   from,   it used to be the until we become nationals, it used to be the only way you can get protection from the government.  

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Yep.  

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I'll give you an example. Back in the seventies in Oklahoma,   you you couldn't serve hard liquor,   and they didn't tax it.   And so to be a bar that had hard liquor,   it become   a club   that was a private membership. So all the people that showed up to the club, they were all members. They paid a a fee to be a member, could be monthly, could be annually,   but they serve liquor. It'd be no different than you showing up to a party at somebody's house,   and they were serving liquor. It was a private party. Nobody had the, you know, the state agencies and government had no right to to come in and and interfere with that.   So in Oklahoma,   they used to have these these,   bar clubs, if you will, And the members could go in and and,   pay to have setups for their drinks.  

They would bring their own bottles and some most of them would leave their bottle there. I mean,   it's a club.   And so   I know a lot of people that were I was pretty young back then.   But,   as I grew older, I I run across very many people that were,   members of those types of clubs. Now when the state realized they were losing a bunch of taxes,   they floated around as a tax measure   to,   fund education.   So it got passed, and those limitations were taken off.   So now they could just you could have an open,   an open bar,   and anybody off the street, the public, could walk in and order a drink, and they paid a tax, a hefty tax,   for having that drink.  

So, that's a private membership. Now what I've done   is is I've been you know, when I first been on here, we talked about   protecting yourself,   and and planning your estate,   using trust. It's a very powerful tool.   And when you put property into a trust,   you know, it's no longer in your name,   and it's in a relationship   between multiple people.   And that's not easily broken, especially if   it's a proper   funded   and irrevocable   trust.   And one of the court cases I cite was in Ray Braum,   b r a u m, out of the tenth Circuit Court of Appeals,   where a US Trustee   for bankruptcy court was attempting to bust the trust   of the debtor who had filed for bankruptcy.  

They saw that he's holding property over here in this trust.   And it went up on appeal to the tenth circuit. The tenth circuit   said, well,   you know, they're the the trustee had borrowed money from the trust,   paid it back, kinda looked fishy. I'm reading through the decision for the first time, like, uh-oh.   This may not be good. But then the judge shifts gears and says,   but the trust meets the six elements. In other words, there the the judge went on to say, we don't know if the trustee did the right thing,   but because the trust is properly structured,   you're not gonna bust   it. And so the US Trustee left with nothing,   and the trust stood strong.  

Now the judge called it out that if the the creators of the trust, which we call the grantors and set or settlers,   or the beneficiaries   think the trustee   did the wrong thing, then they could sue the trustee   in their individual capacity because they're violating their fiduciary duties to the trust.   If there is no provisions   for the trustee to be taking,   quote, loans out of the funds   and paying it back, then they they violated their fiduciary duty. So anyway, we're using a PMA, private membership agreement, club, group, or association, whatever you wanna call it. I'm calling it a club.   Excuse me.  

Then we're using that private membership agreement   where I'm gonna teach   a a group of people,   how to properly main you know, one, teach them how trust works,   how to maintain it, how to operate it. I'm gonna work one on one with them   to complete a trust   to their specific needs. Everybody has usually general   kind of different needs. Now, I will say this, this is really designed for somebody   primarily   who, you know, they got the the the one house,   the the couple of cars,   and,   they might have some retirement funds,   and they wanna bring that into a trust and leave it to their children. That's what it's designed for.  

Now if you if you have much if it's if it's really intricate outside of that,   you know, then this probably isn't the program for you. Or   maybe we need to consult separately and and I'll help you with that. But and the other thing I said earlier was, when you come out of this class, it's gonna be six to eight weeks long. Not terribly long. It'll be recorded, so you can go back and listen to it if you can't make it. I plan on holding it probably,   Tuesday, Thursday,   and maybe additional class on a Saturday sometime.   So people who have different schedules can make it.  

They could listen to a reporting, email me. If they have a question, I can respond.   If if I can't answer it by email or whatever, we can have a personal conversation for our members only.   But,   that's what it's designed to be. And then you're gonna be empowered in six to eight weeks. You're gonna be empowered to come out, know how to properly,   conduct your trust, how to maintain and operate it, and   you can help family members. I mean, you'll be able to put a trust together. You should be. You can put a trust together,   and you should you know, you have a family member who's got a question about a trust. You should be able to successfully answer those questions.  

And even if they if they need a trust, you probably could take your sample   and, or your your personal trust and   and clean it up and modify it where they can use it for themselves.   So,   that's that's what I'm laying out now. Again, these are founding members. You know, if you go to an attorney today, you're gonna be charged about $2,500  

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for a law firm to put a trust together for you. Yep. And even the patriots are charged. I think somebody said David Strait's four thousand dollars.   Johnson's were 2,200,   and he's the one that wants you to send gold to,   South Dakota, and then they'll forward it to him somewhere. That gives you a lot of confidence in what he's doing, doesn't it?   So  

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Makes me think too,   are you really a national?   Are you really a national? If if you're doing this to to you're so scared of IRS   or the government that that you're in, you know, that you're hiding around like that   Yeah. Then are you are you really doing what you say you're gonna do?  

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Not really. Chris, I wanna ask you a question or two. Chris has come around since you were sick.   So,   he's just being exposed to you, I think,   here recently. Chris, how long have you been messing around in the patriot movement? I know you must have told me a while back, but I'm getting old and I forgot.   How long you've been in it?  

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About at least thirty years.   Wow.  

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Have you messed around with trusts at all?  

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Oh, yeah. I write trusts for myself, for other people.   We use trusts for a lot of things.   And I was looking at I was listening to Brent Winters   and looking at his website,   at his trust class that he   offers   because, you know, I'm always interested to compare notes   and   maybe learn a little more.   Now you mentioned the private membership agreement. Are you talking about the private membership agreement as being a trust? Was   that   an unincorporated   association or something? Exactly. Exactly.  

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And they're really kind of being pioneered from California. The people that have   kind of spearheaded this are from Southern California. I think there's a guy up in Nevada City   that got went to one of their seminars and started and started marketing them.   I I forgot. He's got his own private membership association   store   out there, and he's having problems with the state of California   because he was selling wine without getting it licensed and not paying taxes on it because it was under a PMA.   And they came after him, and I've never heard what the disposition of that was.   Okay? So I still don't know.  

But,   yeah, private membership associations.  

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Yeah. I mean, I'm listening to that because, at the farm that we're putting together, the,   the   the   the the the farm we're gonna be doing all organic.   That,   first of all,   we've   we're we're involved with land patents a lot   and we get rid of county problems immediately   for anybody.   However,   we want to come off the tax roll, that's our next step.   And so we've got our chain of title done   and I don't know if you know anything about that or not, Mark. But we do want to   have an unincorporated   association   for people to come   involved   by or by membership only   Yeah. And do what we're gonna do. Now we're gonna have a a cafe, you know, like a restaurant. We're gonna have a lot of things going on there. My wife and I used to we used to have a Christian coffee house down in Ventura   Boulevard.  

And, basically, it's gonna be something along that line. We're gonna allow people to participate   in a certain amount of the farming also   and,   and share, you know, share in the produce of that.   Yeah. So,  

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You have 40 acres and a mule.  

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Yeah. We don't need the mule. We have better things now. Not at all. I know. Just the saying. We've   got slave labor now.  

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Cool. Yeah.  

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No. We what I was thinking, you know, we don't wanna do a joint venture. We don't wanna do any  

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the furthest I can stay away from any kind of licensing or anything, the better I like it. I don't Yeah. Well, I think you got that down. I believe we've got you there already. So with what you've already done and what we can contribute to your efforts, I believe you're probably a free man by now.   It does and and all those things you're doing or planning sound very interesting. Okay?   But, yeah. And I guess you Chris has quite a rich music background too. He hadn't filed taxes   in how long ever?  

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Ever.   Never. Okay. Never. I've never I've never committed to that.   That's very lucky. Wise because  

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as soon as you file your very first tax   form, you've elected to participate in that tax.  

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Yep. Yep. Yeah. I never did. Now now it is an it is an annual where it mark it is an annual renewal   when you reef and file, and that's why they bug you so much to keep filing is to keep you in that system. Alright.   Roger.   Larry.  

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Yeah. I have a question for either Chris or Mark or both.   I've heard of students in the Patriot community   who put their cars in a, what they call, a foreign trust   in a Hague   country   and they get an EIN number. I was wondering if either one could explain what that's all about?  

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Well, first of all, I do trust, but no EIN number, no numbers. I don't deal with the government at all.   Not at all.   By the way, Mark, I'm also interested   in the Ecclesiastical Trust.   I was interested in Corporation Souls. A friend of mine does that,   but,   I'm I don't I don't have enough complete information on that yet.   I certainly don't wanna file anything with any government agency.  

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Yeah. You don't have to if you don't want to.  

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No. But I'll tell you, it doesn't make any difference if you do or not, Chris. As a national,   it doesn't make any difference. Well, I I get Social Security every month, all that stuff.   They recognize   anybody I've ever asked any anything federal and I give them a copy of that affidavit. They always do what I want them to do and they don't give me any shit. Okay? So I understand your thinking on that and I applaud you for that. But the in this new position as a national, those kind of relationships   change. Because now it's voluntary   for you to go and contract with them. If you don't want to, don't do it. But,   but it doesn't renexus you into the system.  



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Yeah.   Well, that's that's   encouraging.  

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Yeah.   At least we've never had a case of it did doing it. Nobody's ever confronted. I mean, when I tell you, we've I've been putting this information out for March '15 years on the air,   And we never had one blowback from the federal government   to anybody that ever reported it to me.   Now we get a bluff letter occasionally,   and they've tried some of these missus Robinson campaigns,   with these bullshit letters. They're doing it out of the IRS now,   but we've never had a repercussion from it. That's been reported to me. I have to put that   qualifier in there. Now who is it, Larry? What were you trying to say?  



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Yeah.   So on Saturday, I think Mark mentioned on the after show that sometimes,   some trusts require and I don't know if you use the word require, but you can use an EIN number in some instances and in other instances   you don't need them. And it sounds like Chris doesn't ever use them. So I was wondering if Mark can explain   and Chris can explain   why use them at all or what situations would,   require it to be used.  

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Remember, Larry, there's over a hundred different kinds of trust.  

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Okay. I can answer that.   Go ahead. Because it's a tack it it's potentially a taxing situation.   So if I've got real estate, and at some point in time, the beneficiary   sell that or the trustee sells it and and divvies up the funds to go to the beneficiaries,   that creates a taxing   situation.   And so   when you go purchase a home,   they want your social security number because they're gonna notify the IRS of potential tax situation.   So,   and if you're gonna open up a bank account for for the trust   to put funds in to operate and maintain that the trust property,   then you're gonna need a tax identification number. I would stop calling it an EIN   because that's an employee.  

It's for hiring employees.   Oh, okay. It's it's not an employee. It's a EIN number. It's a employee identification   number. Right?   It's a tax identification   number. It's a TIN   for the trust   just for banking purposes   only.   We're not doing business inside the trust.   And so now we have a vehicle   so that money can be put inside the trust and protected. Right?   It's not in my hot little hand. I'm not sitting out here,   potentially facing a lawsuit, holding holding a bunch of money   that I could end up being liable for.   I could place money inside the trust.  

The trust takes care of the business.   They could it could take care of everything inside of the trust. I shouldn't say business.   But it takes care of what's required inside the trust.   So that's why I talk about   using a tax identification   number. Now,   if you're holding property   that when it's when it's distributed, there's really   there's no no taxing involved. I mean, you could have furniture, appliances, and so on and so forth.   That's all privately transferred.   So I already had a tax paid on it at the point of sale,   and there's no big deal with that. You don't need a tax identification number.  

But certain things,   like real estate,   there's potentially a tax on that. Now if you also have,   automobiles,   RVs,   boats, motorcycles that are registered with the state,   normally, you don't need it for that because the tax is paid up front when you transfer the title   and or you're registering that car on a annual basis.   So and the tax is paid, like, if I sell an automobile in Oklahoma,   then the next party who buys it is gonna pay any related taxes for that sale. They wanna know the value of the car or how much did you pay for it based on that information.   They're gonna tax you accordingly.  

And   the   the shortsighted people of Oklahoma,   I don't know why in the world they did this, but used to, we weren't taxed on used cars like that.   You you paid for a tax upfront   when it was brand new. And then when it's transferred,   there was some document fees, but you didn't pay a tax on really on the price of the vehicle, the used vehicle.   They they voted   to reduce the taxes on the new vehicles   and in place of that,   pay taxes on used vehicles. And that was my fellow Oklahomans   back in, I think, the eighties. What's really interesting on this is,   actually, it was right around the bombing of the Murrah,   building.  

That was what, in '91?   And,  

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Frank Keating. Ninety two, I think. I was in the patriot movement when that happened. Right. Right. Well, Frank Keating  

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was the governor of Oklahoma. He was like a big high,   I think CIA or FBI guy. He's like a search director to one of those. Right.   And so he was the governor of Oklahoma. And he come out, And when the legislator brought this up, he vetoed it.   And so they took it to a vote of the people.   And when he said he voted for it, he voted for it because he says, I buy new it's it's I buy new used cars.   And as a citizen of Oklahoma,   it benefits me if this passes.   So it's funny because as a governor,   he was looking out what I think for the people that the the poor people that are out here buying news new cars.   You know? And that's why Obama's deal to take away all the clunkers was horrendous   cash for clunkers   because it just took all these old cars that people if you were really dirt poor   and the best you could afford to put together was 500 or a thousand dollars,   you could get a car.  

So,   you know, prior to COVID,   a person, you know, could even get a car for   1,502,000.   It just started causing the prices to go up, and it really hurt   poor working class people.   Yeah. And now COVID hit,   and then every all the prices jumped all that much further. So,   but   I think I went a little down a rabbit hole. Hopefully, that answers your question. That's okay.  

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Okay. So, Mark, you're from Oklahoma?   Yes. I am.   Okay.   Wasn't up Oklahoma   requiring that people list all their assets,  

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to Only if you claim homestead exemption.   Most people will claim homestead exemption,   and they're supposed to list their assets. Outside of that, no. We're not required   to share any information like that.  

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Okay.   And,   what about when you buy a car,   just don't just don't put it in your name?  

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Well, there's it doesn't have anything well, I agree with that. I put it straight into a trust. It never touched my name.  

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No. And However  

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I mean, not register with the state.  

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Well, if it's in the trust, you you can go register it because it's not yours.  

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Well, what I So if you buy a car, what are you doing with it? You just gotta   I just Leave everything going? Well, let me let me back up. We've had a problem with that. People have sold cars,   and the buyer did not go register that title.   Got into an accident or got a ticket, didn't pay it, whatever, and it wound up back on well, most of them, they get in an accident. Next thing you know, they're knocking on the previous owner's door. So in Oklahoma, they   they created a form that if you sold the car,   you as the seller would fill that out, file it with our local tag agency.   So now the police and the state know that you no longer own that car.  



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You know, that yeah. I think probably every state does that, that I'm aware of. What I'm But I don't understand your question about or your statement about just not registering the car.   Yeah. What was one of the recommendations   was to get a DOT number and put that on your license plate or other things. Yeah. I'm talking about exercising your right to travel.  

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Oh, I understand. And we we've had a long   contentious   discussion on that on Roger's show.   I'm not I'm not the guy   who's into that because it's a long   battle if you if you end up butting heads with your local   fiefdom, as Roger calls them, your your your, police, law enforcement, money takers, your highway robbers.   It's it's a hard uphill battle. Joe Lusica just explained that on on Roger's show about   two, three weeks ago. Two weeks ago. I think Chris heard that. Listening to that. The glorious victory, Joe.   Yep. Yep. Long fought victory, and it's not quite done yet.  

But to me, it's not worth it. I'd rather put my car in a trust.   I will I will have a driver's license   and,   insurance.   And just found out also,   if you register your car in   in your,   in South Dakota,   I had a person from California that I consulted with here recently that   that   they got commercial insurance   for the trust   to cover those cars. They had multiple cars, and it was cheaper   for them because I always thought that'd be a lot more expensive. They said, no.   They said that was cheaper than them having to pay insurance in California   for each driver individually.  

So it saved them money. They were they were very happy with it. So Mhmm.   A lot of people are looking at South Dakota to   to, and and South Dakota is really open   for people who wanna be retired   nomad travelers. So they have no problem if you're not living in the state. You you you know, they want you to claim, quote, residency.   Right. But you you can   you can get a short term address that could be used to register a car or   or car into a trust name   and, go about your business. But if you wanna take off the tags of the car and put a DOT number on it and fight that battle, then I say godspeed and and and good luck.  

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South Dakota is one of the trust,   territories of the world now. They have they have written   an abundance of trust law. We're gonna have to get a new governor here pretty quick, but people from all over the world are going to South Dakota to set up trust now. Go ahead, Chris.  

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Yeah. I think that's I think that's a good idea. Now one one of the thing about trust,   what if you don't want to be the trustee?   How do you find,   a,   how do you find a competent trustee?  

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Well, you know, it's up to you to make that decision if you're creating the trust.   Now there are professional trust services out there, companies   that will be the trustee, and you'll pay a fee for them, usually quarterly or annually.   And they may not have to do a whole lot until it's necessary. Right?   But they're they're gonna get paid to to be   your trustee.   You can you can appoint   a family member, a pastor, whoever is willing to step up to the plate   to be a trustee.   Now   they need to have a little wherefore all as far as, like, if they ever face a legal battle,   they need to know how to protect the trust.  

The trust may write in our trust documents that,   if necessary, the trust could pay attorney fees to represent the trustee if they if the trustee is not competent enough to represent themselves.   So,   you know, there's a lot of lot of different wiggle room on how do you how do you, decide who you want as a trustee.   Now  

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the What about what about how it changes   if you have a national as the trustee? Well, it doesn't change a thing.  

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It doesn't change a thing. There's no point. You don't need a foreign trust.   See, lot see, here's the here's the thing, Chris.   Most people do not understand the national status.   And we've got members right here listening on a regular basis,   and they're scared to death, even as a national,   that the US government's gonna come after them. And even though   I believe they have the power to stop them,   they still wanna set up foreign trust and foreign LLCs   to to to get out of the country and probably will probably expatriate   from the country.  

I was one of those people until I ran across Rogers materials.   I, you know, just really the grace of God, serendipity   here.   I was spending a day with Chuck tried to tell you Chuck tried to tell you for five years. For probably a year. Yeah. At least a year, maybe more.   And,   I was like, no. This is not the one who's patriot. I was done. I was largely done with the patriot movement.  

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Mark's got a very good friend who used to be a listener and hang around here from Oklahoma named Chuck Ward. Chuck is an Indian. He was a beekeeper for one thing. He's a very interesting guy, very, very spiritual.   And Yep. He kept coming on the air. You go, man, I know this paralegal. I keep telling him about you.   Well, it's Mark. I wouldn't let you being Mark. So go ahead and listen. Go ahead and fill in the blanks there, Mark. Well, I, I hosted  

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co hosted. Excuse me. I co hosted for about a year with Ralph Winerode, from Alaska.   And his specialty was the IRS.   And so,   it got to where I was trying to help help, Ralph set up a,   like, a monthly membership. What he was doing was   was selling hard drives with his research, and it really wasn't as much as his researches   as it was legal resources.   And so he's selling a hard drive and a membership to get his emails.   It's like $300 a year.   And   so,   Ralph was just was just getting by in Alaska. Alaska is expensive.   So,   anyway, I've worked with him a year. I just couldn't get him to see the light, how he could update his website,   make it more user friendly,   set up a monthly membership. So you got people paying $10.15 dollars a month to receive his emails,   his research,   all that,   and make it where he could download,   most of his resources for people who wanted that or still do a hard drive type of situation.  

But, he just couldn't see it. He was just so focused   on on dealing with the IRS, and he was helping people fight the IRS,   in court. And so, you know, he just   had no no vision for that at all. So after about a year, same old, same old, and I bowed out. And   so,   Ralph passed away now. I guess it's almost three years this coming spring.   And,   a year had gone by after he passed away and or or so. And I was like, it was Sunday evening and his show come on 05:00 central. I thought,  

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oh, why don't you took took Ralph's show?  

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Hadn't listened in for a long time. There have been various guests. Sometimes they run reruns of Ralph's show initially. And   so I I tuned in, and there's this guy named Roger Spill. And he talked about being a national and,   you know, everything. And I was like,   I think this guy might be on to something. So he had a daily show.   So I was   fortunately, at that time, I was able   to listen in daily.   In a couple weeks, I was like, oh my gosh.   He's backing it all up with case law. You're talking my love language.   When you give me case law, you you're talking my love language.  

So he's backing it up with with with hard fact,   law, and case law.   And I'm reading through this and then and, you know, that light bulb comes on. It's like, oh my gosh. This is it. Up to that point of finding Rogers material,   I was looking at avenues   of how to open up,   like an international LLC out of Panama.   You know, I had people in line to make that happen.   Even looking at getting a second citizenship in a, you know, maybe one of these,   what we call it, second tier countries,   like,   was it I don't know.   Excuse me.  

Yeah. Yeah. Some of the Caribbean islands down there, you can Yep. You can get a a citizenship for pretty cheap. And but I was looking at expatriating, seriously.   You know, I just saw the US government as such a big threat,   for the little people. I mean, they're just out here crushing the little people.  

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Do you know the funniest thing, Chris, is one of our guys, I think it was Scott, who who's over in Philippines now, left Ecuador and went over there.   There's a Facebook group on expatriation,   and he went and put our information in there, and they banned him.  

[01:41:13] Unknown:

Really?   Yeah.  

[01:41:18] Unknown:

You want to talk about tunnel vision?   Yeah.   Yeah.   So  

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I, Roger's material has been a God blessing. Roger, you changed my life forever.  

[01:41:29] Unknown:

It's life changing information. I keep telling folks that. If you're new and you haven't been exposed to this, it's hard to encompass that statement   and and and ground it for yourself. But folks, this changes the way you think, and you cannot change the way you think without changing the way you live. It's life changing information.  

[01:41:51] Unknown:

It's larger than anything. It's amazing when when you usually, you don't experience it   until you get to the position of,   I don't have to file taxes,   or you have a federal government agency   who is trying to interfere with your life and you you give them,   you know, you show you show them your your affidavit of citizenship   evidence,   show them that they've already been notified or their agency has been notified,   and they start backing up because they don't have jurisdiction.   Unless you've done something to cross that line of jurisdiction,   I'll give you one like interstate commerce,   you know, then you might open yourself up to them interfering with you. We should be more specific on that.  



[01:42:36] Unknown:

They don't have   personum   jurisdiction   after being put on notice. Because there's several types of jurisdictions, subject matter,   say the judge says I have a jurisdiction. She may be right, because she's got some subject matter jurisdiction over that   territorial   thing that they oversee.   But there's several types and the important one is personum. And that's the one we're hitting right smack between the eyes in the forehead with a sharp stone.  

[01:43:06] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. We had the lady who dealt with the DHS or, sorry, child protective services and Oh, yeah. Sarah. Colorado. I think that was Sarah. She's got a really good story. I think Let me ask Chris. Matrix doc. Chris, have you heard us talk about that, Sarah's experience with CPS?  

[01:43:24] Unknown:

No. I haven't. Well, let me ask you the question in the reverse.   Do you know anybody who's ever been successful in getting their child out of the clutches of those bastards?  

[01:43:35] Unknown:

I've been successful with keeping their clutches away from my children in the first place.  

[01:43:43] Unknown:

But now this one was in the clutches of Don't get them with Social Security number. I can get No. No. No. No. It's not.  

[01:43:51] Unknown:

I do have something to add that. Chris,  

[01:43:54] Unknown:

Chris, the social security number is not a nexus. It's nothing.   Okay. Anybody in the world can contract with social security.   This gal, Sarah,   had her child taken by CPS   because it was a rebellious   child.   And they went in and with the administrator of the Child Protective Hospital in Denver   the next morning,   the CPS   worker who was Russian, who'd already gotten the girl to sign contracts. Of course, she's not of age yet, but to them, that doesn't make any difference. And three attorneys. And they went in there. She put her her   affidavits on the table and made her case. And they said, leave the room for five minutes. And five minutes, they came out and said, you and your daughter are free to leave.  

She was in the clutches, buddy. Yes, sir. She got her story. We got it on the I forgot the date. It said it's back there in the archives. We clipped it out and put it up there. It's it's quite a story. Okay? I've never heard of anybody being able to do that.  

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Alright? And That was not going to court. Didn't go to court even.  

[01:45:01] Unknown:

That's right. Now, Alan, was that Alan that was trying to say that when I took the reins?   Somebody was trying to insert about Carl. They were talking about Yeah. You got it's Carl Lentz. Oh, yeah. He's great. He's great. Basically, what he had done  

[01:45:18] Unknown:

is he had, come to the first fault.   Now when we're claiming the national status, we're at the second or third fault by the time we have to claim that. He stops it at the first fault saying, where is the man or woman that stands against me in this argument? It ends right there because there's nobody that has any personal,   you know, iron in the fire. So,   the only one that's there was his. Now what he did in court was actually very,   tricky. The only thing he said is, whose child is it? Who's responsible is it?   And they said, well, it's yours. And he says, that's right. Give me my property back. Okay. Well That was his wife's plan. A lot  

[01:45:59] Unknown:

Carl Lentz is very exceptional. He's very intelligent, obviously.   He's very knowledgeable, and he's quite skilled.   And, but the ordinary person is not gonna be able to do that. The ordinary person could, however, lay down an affidavit, and that's why I preach, learn the information   for situations exactly like that.   Unexpected,   encounters like that where   oh, hold on. This guy in Ecuador knows about it. Let me get him on the phone. Well, that ain't gonna happen.   You've it's your freedom. You're the one that's gotta defend it.   That's the price you pay for wanting to be free. Freedom, even though the word freeze in it, freedom ain't free, folks.  

And and what's the old Thomas Jefferson saying? Those who expect to be ignorant and free expect what never was and never will be. I believe that's exact quote.   Yeah.  

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You have to be willing to accept the responsibility   for your own actions.  

[01:47:01] Unknown:

It's personal responsibility   versus limited liability.   That's another way of looking at the battle we're fighting.  

[01:47:08] Unknown:

Yeah.  

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But I have a cup I have a couple of questions for Mark.  

[01:47:13] Unknown:

Okay. Just a second, Larry.  

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There's a gal   that I know. She's passed away now.   I did a lot of work for her   keeping the county out of some of her clients' properties   and business.   Her name was Mildred Koch.   She was out in Oxnard, California.   She was trustee of 350   trusts.   Wow.   She was a you know, she was not a lawyer or anything like that, but she was a trustee, and she did know what she was doing.   Yeah. And she was also a good friend.   K. Now,   I know some of her clients. I associate with them since her passing.   There's a   I would like to I would I I have I have   my name on too many trusts as trustee.  

That in itself   makes you a target at times or or could,   among unscrupulous   people.   But,   what I would like to see   is a pool or group   of nationals   who are trusted as trustees   that that we could draw from if we wanna do something,   where we wanna keep our name out of it.  

[01:48:36] Unknown:

Yeah.   Well, that goes back to the same thing I'm preaching all the time. That's why we gotta spread this message, Chris, so we can get a pool of people like that to draw off of. And and and I'm sure you've heard me say it, but it's worth dwelling on, honestly, is what John Benson used to tell us from the podium there. He said, you wanna be free? You wanna be free? The only way you can protect your freedom is to help you protect yours.   That's the only way I can protect the plane is to help you protect yours. And that's part selfish   part of this program right here. I don't ask you for money, but I want your support. I want your attention, and I want us to be bonded as brothers and sisters. Okay?  



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Can I add a little bit something there? Something is being overlooked a little bit.   Private is private. The only thing that the US government has the ability to regulate   is commercial.   Now even if you cross even if you cross state boundaries, that is a private action that you are doing.   Something that, doesn't require paperwork or anything like that if you're,   crossing state boundaries. Now international boundaries, you're outside The US. The laws have changed.   However, inside The US, even if it is a,   firearm sale,   Okay? You have a right to privacy.  

And being a national,   having acquired your,   weapons   privately   rather than on a commercial basis,   you can actually sell those weapons privately   rather than on a commercial basis. The only thing again   that, allows them to have jurisdiction is regulating  

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commerce. That is it. No. I'm gonna disagree with you because they've got Okay. Right.   A They've got persona jurisdiction   on you because they got a property right in you.   That's what public policy is,   is regulations promulgated for the slaves.  

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Except they don't have that because the fourteenth amendment does not apply because you are a a national.  

[01:50:38] Unknown:

Well, that's right. But if you're not, I'm not certain people argue. I'm not talking about those who are nationals. I'm talking about the those that aren't.  

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Oh, yeah. No. That's that's for sure. But under a national, you've already declared most of everything that you did   as being private.   And your voluntary,   participation   in a commerce act is also,   your right. They can't deny you to do that. So you can actually run both statuses at the same time,   predetermining   what that status is prior to executing it. So you may have to technically declare   that that is a private sale if there's any paperwork or anything like that brought up. I I'm not sure how that would act after the fact. Okay. Well, I'm we're getting off in the weeds a little bit. If there's anybody, it's kinda it's confusing even to me at times.  

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So I try and think of the folks out there. But yes.   Well, listen. We got a couple of minutes left in the show. We got a very brisk conversation going mainly   on trust stuff. But anybody else got a trust question or anything else they'd like to bring up here at the Roger, Larry. I well Larry, that's alright, Larry. I forgot about you. Go ahead.  

[01:51:52] Unknown:

Question for Chris.   He said that he has written a lot of trusts and of course Roger mentioned that there's over 100 different types of trusts.   And I was wondering if Chris   only uses a common law trust   and if that's the reason why he doesn't need to use a EIN or a TIN number   depending on which one you use.   And   if Chris can explain the differences between   statutory trusts and common law trusts. And I'm gonna mute because I'm gonna help a customer.  

[01:52:27] Unknown:

Okay. That's an important question, and I'm endeavoring to answer that question myself.  

[01:52:32] Unknown:

I would like to add to that question. The question I have real quick, and if you can incorporate this, is what happens if you, actually write a contract with yourself as a slavery contract?   Wouldn't that go back to your commercial status,   for liability?  

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If you what?  

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If you wrote a private contract with yourself that you are a slave   to yourself. In other words, there was a guy that had a business,   and he sued himself   privately  

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against his own business' insurance that it pay off to him for that loss. I have no idea. But that's that's way far out there. I'd be a slave to God. Okay?   But not to myself.   That's heeding in it. Hopefully  

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Isn't it? Hopefully, Chris,   Roger.   Hopefully, Chris didn't forget,   the question that Larry had asked  

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because we were waiting to hear that too. Yeah. Chris says statutory trust and the common law trust differences,   I I think is pretty much what,   Larry was asking.  

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Yeah. That's what I'm endeavoring to isolate   at this particular time in my life. Okay. Because because   states like California   consider a common law trust   the same as any other trust. They don't differentiate   and   I wanna make sure they do.   Well,   common law trust, unless it's private, it's potentially could be made public.  

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It's really how you name that. I I I answer that quite in detail   on Saturday's call. If you'll go back and listen to last Saturday's call,   we go into that, and Samuel   brought up,   his description of trust.  

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Right? Right?  

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Yeah. Being in equity and and talking about a trust.   The definition he read though, I could tell immediately that it was a statutory trust. And then I go on to explain a quote non statutory trust, which we would call a common law trust.   And while we're on the air, Samuel actually confirmed   that definition that I gave.   So   I would recommend going back and listen to that   and,   and see what you think.  

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Also, Mark, do you know, have you heard of Christopher Grosky?  

[01:54:53] Unknown:

What was the last name?  

[01:54:55] Unknown:

Christopher Grosky in New Hampshire. Got a Yes. I know that guy is. Yeah.  

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Yes. Yep.  

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He's doing a a a a version of national. It's pretty interesting.  

[01:55:07] Unknown:

Yeah. He he he  

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he also offers trust,   with   with nationals   as the trustee   and   going going through Norway for some reason.   Oh my gosh.  

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This is all unnecessary. We got people who don't understand  

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They don't understand this is a feudal system. That's the whole problem of all of them.  

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Yeah. They don't understand   the position of a national.   And so they're incorporating it into this old thought, this old patriot way of doing everything   to get the government out of their business,   and they don't understand   being a national.   I'm, I'm not saying this towards you, but in general, I'm I'm so tired. Everybody goes, they're wanting to compare somebody else's program   to what we're doing.   And I'm like, they don't understand it. They've   they've taken old Patriot mythology   and ways to work around the system. And I'm not saying it's wrong,   but they're working around the system the best they knew how.  

But with Roger's information,   that just you can almost throw all of that in the trash  

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because it's not necessary to do it that way. You mentioned it. Chris, you brought it up earlier in the conversation. You said none of my children have social security numbers.   I'm 76.   I pioneered this, and I've been drawing Social Security for about twelve years now.   And he'll be back in the system.  

[01:56:48] Unknown:

And Roger applied for his Social Security after becoming a national.  

[01:56:52] Unknown:

Yeah. That's correct. Well, I gave him my affidavit.   Yeah. He probably paid into it or paid into something. Well, I did. Well, if I wouldn't have paid into it, I wouldn't be able to draw out of it.  

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I never paid anything in.  

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Okay? Okay. Well, that doesn't matter about your children.   You made the statement, my children don't have social security numbers. Well, it doesn't matter. Well,   they they still on the feudal's list.  

[01:57:19] Unknown:

Till they became of age, then they went out and got them by court order. Okay.  

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Well, that's because they're not nationals.   Not anymore.   Well, that's their own choosing, you know, But I'm saying   hold on. Hold on. Chris. Chris. Chris. Please hold on.   You will not understand all of this until you hear Roger's   explanation   of the feudal system.   The day you were born   in one of the 50 states of the of the union,   under the fourteenth amendment, they considered you automatically   a   US citizen.   Period.  

[01:57:58] Unknown:

As surety for a fraudulent bankruptcy.  

[01:58:01] Unknown:

Fraudulent. Fraudulent. Yeah. Except except my children are all born at home with a midwife and for the latter one, I live with a midwife myself. It doesn't matter.  

[01:58:10] Unknown:

It doesn't matter, Chris. I'm just telling you, your illustration of that is old way of thinking. That does not matter in any way, shape, or form.  

[01:58:20] Unknown:

So so please hold on, Chris. Hold on. Yeah. Please go back and study what's on Roger's website.   Plug in and listen to the show. This is not gonna be something  

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He's been hanging around for a while.   It's it's   it's just a new way of looking at it. See, who who would have ever thought that one sentence,   I, Chris from California, do solemnly swear my intent to be a national and a lot of citizens of The United States could remove you from their entire system.   Who would have ever thought that?  

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I know. It's amazing.   It's amazing.  

[01:58:57] Unknown:

It's a So now how does now by the way, hold on. Chris Chris, let me explain something. Go ahead.   The last   missing piece of the puzzle for me,   When Roger explained the feudal system,   I got out of my chair and did a happy dance because that locked it in for me. It took away the social security. It took all this other junk around that the patriots talk about. It took it completely out of system,   and it helped me realize   no matter what you think, if you were born within the 50 states, you were born a US citizen,   and it's up to your parents or yourself to change that.  



[01:59:36] Unknown:

And then the not only that, every time they ever asked you if you agreed with it your whole entire life, you not only did, but you signed something to verify it.   Most people do. Yes. Roger, and the and the children do need their affidavits sent in Yes. For by the other 105. You can send it you can send it in for the child or, well, hey. You can start drawing it up when they're still in mama's belly, I guess.   Anyway,   we're at the end of this stimulating discussion today. Mark, glad to have you back on the show, man. We've missed you. And Good to be here. A good a good decision a good discussion   and very interesting topics. And, you know, again, I can't wait to get back to the news and see what Trump's doing. You know?  

It's amazing this phenomena we're going through right now.   Pay attention.   Be empowered by it and and just be damn grateful you're alive and watching it happen. K? And not only that, but you've got an insight and a perspective   that no one else in the world has, really, our perspective.   Not on our side. The bad guys knew about it. Our side doesn't.   Maybe that'll change as we go forward. One of these days,   we're gonna we're gonna get   hit the right person.   And,   what   do they call that?   With a hockey stick curve goes straight up. See you tomorrow.   Glad to have you along. Thank you very much.  

Bye bye.   Well, you guys are just such a treat. Do you know how bored I would be every day if I didn't have a few hours with you guys?  

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Well, we'd be eating the same way. We'd be eating tacos all day long.  

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Hey, Mark. Are you there? I'm here.   Yeah. I'd like to talk to you, about a couple of things privately.  

[02:01:34] Unknown:

Email me at straw man   email me, Chris, at straw man   at Okay. Mark, all caps, dot com.   Just like it sounds. For all men   at mark with a k, m a r k a l l c a p s dot com. Yeah. And it does not have to be all capitalized.  

[02:01:53] Unknown:

But you could finish out your saying just because Chris probably never heard you say it.  

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Because I I say this is my moniker when I first joined Rogers' show and was becoming a regular contributor,   I would say this is mark all caps because your name in all capital letters does not convey jurisdiction.   More patriot mythology. The first day I said that on Roger's show, Roger started laughing, and it and it sound like I sucked the air out of the room because   all the listeners who are still clinging   to their old patriot mythology   are tied up in thinking that that automatically gives somebody jurisdiction.   Yeah. And it doesn't.  



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And you then you've gotta realize now you've taken the power back. And you start realizing in this gradual because most people have to done do all that conditioning.   Hold it. I've got the power.   And now that position grows right there in you. And,   and and it scares the absolute holy shit out of them, And they're not gonna come after you because if they did, it would get publicity   and bring this whole thing to light. And that's absolutely   the last thing they want.  

[02:03:05] Unknown:

Yeah. That needs to happen.  

[02:03:08] Unknown:

Mark, before trying to make it happen, Chris, I started fifteen years ago when nobody knew any of this stuff. One night a week over on Republic Broadcasting with Jeff Bennett who, was a guy that I knew. I'd say he was a friend, but he's a backstabbing piece of crap. But, anyway, he did open the door for me, and,   I started teaching it   a whole different way from the bottom up,   which is the only way I knew to do it. And it's through all those shows   and all these years   that I've come to understand it so well.   It's teaching it to you guys and having to think things through and looking at it from a different perspective and,   all those things. And now it's got it simplified to the point that if somebody   ask you about it, you say, well, they made us all Jim Crow. They tricked us all into volunteering to be Jim Crow. That's as complicated   as this is.  



[02:04:04] Unknown:

Mhmm. Mhmm.   Mark, I need the last part of your email. Strawman@markwhat?Allcaps.com.  

[02:04:15] Unknown:

M a r k   a l l   c a p s   dot com.  

[02:04:22] Unknown:

And it doesn't have to be capitalized.   It's not case sensitive. No.  

[02:04:28] Unknown:

It has to be. No. Well, you can.  

[02:04:31] Unknown:

You can make it all caps if you want.   So that way my straw man will will be happy because he'll get some mail.  

[02:04:39] Unknown:

Well, see. You haven't told me Put it in all capital letters. It goes to my straw man.   Okay. He's got his own straw man there too, Chris.   If you start doing too much Patriot stuff, he'll probably give your email, send it over to straw man.  

[02:04:54] Unknown:

Oh, okay. Gold fringe flag   and and, admiralty law.   I mean,   he wants me getting one of those,   Patriot hats with the, flag on it, but he said it had to have a gold fringe around it. How how about one of Alex's new big ball hats?   I haven't seen that.  

[02:05:14] Unknown:

Oh, you haven't? It's got big balls on it, and it's 47 on the side.  

[02:05:23] Unknown:

That's hilarious.   Yeah. Welcome to the golden age of America.  

[02:05:27] Unknown:

Well, humor's back again. Have you noticed?  

[02:05:30] Unknown:

Yes. Exactly. Everybody's getting on board again.  

[02:05:33] Unknown:

With the with the commies, there's no humor.   No. It's like there's no art. There's no architecture. It's all just bland, all that stuff. All communist Yeah. Will now humor's back.   So that's   good. That shows we're on the right path. I'll tell you that. Absolutely.   Yeah. So, has anybody got anything else for me, today?  

[02:05:56] Unknown:

Hey, Roger.  

[02:05:58] Unknown:

Hey, Joan.   Do you know or have you heard if Trump is going to deport all 40,000,000 illegal aliens? Or I don't think they can get their hand I don't think they can get their hands on 40,000,000, but I'm sure if they could, they would.   Okay. Good. Thank you. You know, the mayors are meeting right now in these,   sanctuary cities and states and trying to figure a way to hide them. Pritzker up in Illinois   won't you well well,   So they're gonna start indicting them, and that's what they need to do. Indite them. We're not gonna argue with you. You're absolutely   stepping over and   violating a federal law, and we're just gonna indict you.  



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Yep. COVID murders.  

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Yeah. I mean, you threw 1,500   of our people that were out there in a damn lawn on a freezing day in jail for twenty or thirty years.   We did this to you.  

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Damn right.  

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Yep. And we got more valid legal based reasons than you had. So   I just can't wait to see these indictment start. You know, what they're really going after is this this,   leaker.   And they've got this, the Bondi's assistant   doing a a investigation,   and their public statement is we're going to arrest you. We're going to fire you. We're going to take away your pension, and we're gonna send you to jail.  

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You know, with with,   with,   I lost my train of thought.   The new appointment today.   The Oh, with Tulsa. Wanna call it Gavin. Tulsa Gabbard.   When Gabbard gets into the DNI,   they're gonna have access to be tracking all the people that could potentially be involved. Then you put Patel in charge of the FBI, Bonnie, and the and the justice department.  

[02:07:56] Unknown:

Woah. Look out.   Man, I'm telling   you,  

[02:08:01] Unknown:

do what? But does both their Hindu relation   does does both their Hindu,   religious prevent them from coming against the, Indians   dotting off feathers?  

[02:08:10] Unknown:

No. Well, there's both two both her and Patel are both Hindi, and they, didn't see seem to say it was gonna stop anything they were planning to do and all those confirmation.  

[02:08:22] Unknown:

If you ask that question, you haven't really been listening to them very much.  

[02:08:27] Unknown:

Well, I know the pope that came out and said, hey. We have to have compassion on people or whatever. And so I Yeah. You saw that one home. Who knows where this was gonna go? Did you see how Homan replied to that yesterday?  

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No.  

[02:08:42] Unknown:

Oh, you need to see his answer. I'm Catholic. I was this and that and sanctioned here and do three triple salts over there. And the pope, it should it it has walls surrounding the Vatican, and he needs to take care of that before he starts worrying about   our our immigration problems.  

[02:09:02] Unknown:

Nice. That's a good answer. The city of Worcester, Massachusetts made a sanctuary that they voted to be a sanctuary city for transgenders.  

[02:09:11] Unknown:

Oh, God.  

[02:09:14] Unknown:

Well, good. They'll let them all congregate there. You know where not to live.   Okay?  

[02:09:21] Unknown:

Yeah. I I yeah. I wonder if they're gonna do the same thing with these different I know they tried Sanctuary City before, but,  

[02:09:27] Unknown:

yeah. Anyway, we'll see what happens. I wanna see if you have the United.   Roger. Yeah.   Alright. Hold on. Roger is first and the other guy. Yeah. Go ahead.  

[02:09:39] Unknown:

To everybody. This is Paul from  

[02:09:42] Unknown:

Go ahead, Paul.  

[02:09:43] Unknown:

Oh, Paul. Hey, Paul. I wanna I hey, man.   That brief is coming along real well, by the way. I've had some people give me some good insight, and life is good.   The other the the I have two questions for Mark. One,   to join his PMA,   is that include   the,   trust, or is   just joining the PMA   just joining, and then there's gonna be an additional,   donation for the trust?   Mark, you there? Did I lose you?  

[02:10:20] Unknown:

Didn't lose me, I don't think. Mark, are you there? No.  

[02:10:24] Unknown:

That's what I meant. I meant Mark.  

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Did I lose him? Well, I I might have dropped off or something. I'm not sure. He's gone. Oh. Okay. There he is.   Yeah. No. There was somebody else. Paul, he, that includes the trust. That includes the trust. There's no additional fees. That's only for the that's only for the for hold on. That's only for the first ten people he makes,   enlarge that a little bit because we had more well, we had a lot of response to his offer. So,   that maybe I'm not sure.   And but I I I can answer that for you. Okay?   One Alright. Now who And then the  

[02:11:01] Unknown:

I have one more quick question,   and it's very simple.   If by chance we can't get in on this first go round, is Mark gonna do a second?  

[02:11:10] Unknown:

I don't I don't have I don't have any idea. It's a pioneering effort. I don't have any idea. K? That's alright. So we'll we'll figure that as we go forward. Are you? Alright, Paul. You're welcome. Thank you. Who was the other guy, Raja?  

[02:11:22] Unknown:

That was that was Sketch and,   one question and two quick statements.   The question that you ask   any lawyer or, anybody you you wanna know what the definition of a person is,  

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is it at law or in law? And can you ask that question for can you say that question one more time for me? Well, yeah. It's an, what what is the definition of a person? It's law. K? And then now this goes back let me tell you how how based this is.   This goes back to a Roman   guy named Gaius,   g a I u s.   And Gaius is the guy in Rome that's accredited   with the foundation   and formation or articulation   of the law.   The the the the,   tale is that he did that by   looking over a a smooth   lake where he could see his reflection and talking to himself with marbles in his mouth.   Yes. That's the that's the legend. Okay?  

His, book was called Gaius'   Institutes.   Yep. And the whole first part   of Gaius'   Institutes   sketch and audience Yep.   Yeah. Is on the word person.   Do you think it might be do you think it might be important?  

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It might be just a little bit important.   And is no. No. The question is,   I I it's just in law. It's  

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what's your definition of a person in law or at law? That's that's what I wanted to clear out. Well, no. I I I don't think there's a difference. I think this is the base concept   of all personage in that formula.   R plus d equals r is the like I call it the formula that runs the world. Why does it run the world? Okay. Because it controls Right. Who you are as a legal person.   Right. Okay. And, No. And I hear these people going, well, we're gonna get back to the law. We're you know, okay. What law?   Wait. Which law?  

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Yeah. Exactly.  

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Okay. Alright. What's the what's  

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left? Go ahead. The statement the statement or another question, have you heard of the the term,   red, white, and blue land?   No.   That is the new term for Greenland   that Trump wants to use.  

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Oh my lord.   He's got a good number.   Oh my lord. Yep. And,  

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and blessings to you, Roger. And I did see an email   of a payola.   It it'll only take three minutes of your time.  

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Okay.   I'll get to it. I got a number of things people sent me. I need to apologize. I just wanted to remind you that I just  

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that's okay. I just Alright. Just I alright. Bye.  

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Thank you, Sketch. Alright. Last call. Who else has got something?   Lady. Well, there's this lady, Linda.   Well, you're garbly. I wanted to waking up. I will. You're garbly.  

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I wanted to You're underwater.  

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We can't understand you.   We know Nintendo.   I Linda, we can't understand you.   Linda know. You sound like you're out in the Atlantic.  

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About 30 leagues down, so you're gonna have to go out and come back in.  

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Mark Twain. Mark Twain.  

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Did you, hear about   the guys' initiative in Florida   using the Florida State Constitution of 1838,   I wanna say?  

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I don't know if I ever know it.  

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Yeah. I don't know if they've done it yet, but the idea was that the judge the judge the clerk was refusing to docket some things and   record some things. I guess   the clerk wasn't doing their job and so   they were talking about,   they were just using basically the first, you know, the Declaration of Rights if you will. You know, who is the king, the people, who is the who is the servant, you know, the the public servant.   And they were talking about bringing JAG in to make sure, you know, that the judges   did their,   did their job under the because we were under the military rule technically.  

So but the constitution was never repealed, you know, the pre 1860  

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constitutions. Anyways, quite interesting. There's an awful lot hey. There's an awful lot of crazy patriot shit out there, and this sounds like one of them. Okay?   Quite frankly. Roger.   Yes.  

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This is Larry. What was Sketch asking,   that is there a difference between   being in law and at law? Is that just my patriot mythology?  

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I I I don't I law. You got common law. Nature nature's god. That's law.   There is legal.   Babylonian merchant code,   all the stuffs, UCC.   Everything we're under is legal. The other is lawful. How much more of a distinction do you frigging need?  

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So so we can put out there  

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that there's a difference between in law and at law, and, I never knew what to think about that. Well, there's a lot of people that say that all capital letters means you're a slave to. So there's all kind like I said, there's all kind of crazy shit floating around out there, and people heard it. They're trying to find what we've got.   They're trying to they see two things that they think connect.   Like, it says admiralty law in the constitution,   and that means we're under admiralty law. Well, the only thing we had to have was a damn navy.   Okay? That's why it's in there. I mean, all these but they see it and they connect and they go, that's it. That's it.  

It's it's I understand it. I'm just trying please, people think.   Think. Right. Social Security is the nexus. Do you think that they were gonna wait till you're 16 years old to get you to sign into slavery?   No. These people want it from birth.   They do everything at the start.   Every hook they've got, major,   they always put it right at the first.   K? The reason I just aren't they don't think, man.  

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The the reason I was asking the question, I I didn't know if he used the word law in his question, and I I don't think you do, do you?   You don't even use the word law. You just said, what is the definition of a person? That's all. Right? Well, it's the same in in all of them.  

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This is one of the basic   founding   concepts   of the whole body of law.   As I said, the whole first part of Gaius' Institutes   is on the word person. Do you think that might be important?  

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I do. And could you spell Gaius one more time?  

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G a I u s.  

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Thank you so much. Blessings, Roger. Have a good lunch. Okay?  

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Alright. Thank you, Sketch.   And Linda, can I ask somebody to go Linda?   Hey, Dwayne.   I'll hang on for you. Hey, bud.  

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Alright. All I got to   the lady that asked about getting a mortgage in an irrevocable trust,   yes, you can get   them. But as Mark has said multiple times, you really need the trust   needs to have it written into it. Part of that needs the trustee needs to have the authority.   There needs to be enough income inside the trust to make the bank or the lender comfortable that they'll get their money back.   And   then obviously the trust must be able to hold real property or whatever you're trying to borrow against. Well, that's   what trust are. Yep. If you have it, like   go ahead.  



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No. I was just gonna say I was trying to bring that up earlier. See, when the charlatans started running trusts in the nineties,   that they were trying to sell it as a tax vehicle.   A trust is not a tax vehicle.   It is a property vehicle.   K?  

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Well, and we and if you   if you want to end up if you want to go after a HELOC, if it's a home versus rental property,   you might want to write that into the trust that the trust has the capacity to borrow against the equity in a in the real property.   The other thing is   not all lenders are educated or sophisticated,   especially local banks   don't have the knowledge   or   want to do these type of loans. You may have to find a specialty lender   and that could be a couple of extra points on the interest rate.   And then the other thing is each state, especially things California and New York, maybe Washington State and Illinois, but for sure you got to check the local   regs on irrevocable trust and lending because they all can have some little bit of nuance on it. May or may not, don't know,   don't want to know about either one of those states.  

But something to think if that's where you live into the properties at. Now do we have you get so knowledgeable  

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into this area?  

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Well, I've just I've I've done a lot of financing both equity and debt structure for corporations   and real estate over the last twenty years or twenty five years or so. All right. And it just the questions come up in conversation.   It hadn't done any lending, but I know how to find it if I need it   and how to talk to the lenders if   it ever comes up. It's just part of the I see.   All right. So I mean I've worked with some very high powered developers,   particularly   like if you look at Downtown Seattle that big tall Columbia Tower, it's the tallest building, the black building in Downtown Seattle.   I worked with that developer,   to get him equity and debt on deals he wanted to do. So I've got some background in this.  



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And then the other thing We've got a hell of a talented audience, folks. Go ahead, Dwayne.  

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Well, and then the other thing, I've I one of the entities I enjoy the most,   from a personal perspective is a self supporting ministry,   which I think is what that gentleman was asking about earlier. And if you want to do any banking,   if it's self funded and the money is just going to stay   like in your   but if you're going to do any banking, you got to get a TIN number just for banking only. And that's and other than that under the five zero eight small seek one capital A   that is an exception to this and you don't need to report anything about anything. I mean, you could put your corporations in it, your LLCs, your shares, your real estate,   but once it goes in, it's going to stay and you need to actually also do what's required to be a functioning ministry,   like get a license to be a minister that sort of thing. So Yeah. And you can get them done relatively inexpensive, I think 500, 6 hundred, 7 hundred bucks even though there are people out there wanna charge $2.03, 4,000.  



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Yep. From what I've seen. I had a roommate I had a roommate who set up his own ministry, Jeff Ganapowski.  

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Mhmm. Probably no Yeah. I like them. I think they're great, you know, especially if you're gonna do some homesteading and what have you.  

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So, anyway, that's all I got. Cool, Dwayne. Alright. Good. Good, man. Good to hear from you.   No events anymore. Awesome. Within the whole show. I've been waiting to get a word in edgewise today. Wow. It's been real. Alright. See y'all later. Alright, buddy. Alright. Roger?   Yeah. Uh-huh. Gosh.   Yes, girls.   There you I can almost understand you now.  

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Thank you. I just wanted to correct Dave. He said it was 54 to 48, which   if you add it up, it doesn't even make sense. There's only a hundred senators.   It ends up being,   52 to 48.  

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That's slim, but you got  

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yeah. McConnell did not book he went with the Democrats.  

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Yeah. He's he's a traitorous bastard.   He he they need to bounce him out of there.   A a totally absolute traitor.   Yep. Thank you, Linda. Thank you. Okay. The other was Julie, I believe.   Thank you, sweetie. Bye. Julie, was that you? Okay.  

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Yeah. I just wanted to let you know that I dropped the Institute   of Gaius part two commentary   into the chat room for people who are interested.  

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Okay.   So if you wanna dig that deep. I mean, that's where this goes back to you. That's why that person thing, that formula is so important.   It's the founding foundational   blocks of the whole law thing because they got law is a science because there's so much at stake occasionally   that you have to know exactly what you're saying and what your words mean. That's like Bill Clinton. Depends on what the meaning of this is. Okay?   So, anyway,   it's   like I said, you can take any one of these points and drill down on them sometimes for hours. Okay?   That's a fascinating study. First published  

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first published in 1963.  

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Okay. You've been around   I talked to you in December for the first time. It's now   February.   So you grown very much in the last couple of months?  

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Absolutely.   I'm still learning every day.   Yep. I never missed a call, and I'm re listening to the calls.  

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Yeah. Well, you know, listen.   I'm still learning. I don't know of every day, but   a lot. I'm   just shocked sometimes,   but I see things that I'd like this thirteenth amendment thing that I had never hit me before and is right in front of you the whole time.   That's the real key because there was no other status   at the time they wrote that.   Strictly for state citizens.   So People go here. They tell you this doesn't they tell you this doesn't apply or we're full of shit. Well, explain this to me there, Mortimer.   Do do what, Julie?  



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I said while you're on the thirteenth Amendment on and I've been studying that too. I know that the federal   fourteenth Amendment did not exist at that time. And so when the thirteenth amendment was passed, how come everybody thinks that applies to   Negroes, but yet it it applies   to the white state citizen?  

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Well, they didn't yet. The Negro thing had not come up. It was being discussed.   But when they passed that, they see, this is kind of when you really dig into this, you can easily come away with the idea that this is the reason the civil war was thought. Look at how they set it out and laid it out. They fight the war. They come back. They let all the southern   legislators back into congress for the thirteenth amendment.   And and here it is neither slavery nor that because still there was a lot of slavery stuff, and they leave out voluntary servitude there. Of course, it's legal by omission because it's lawful.   Okay?  

And and then it goes on and it talks at the last. It says their   jurisdictions.   Well, who else you think it's for? There was no federal jurisdiction.   That's what the fourteenth amendment established,   and it says their jurisdictions.   Well, it has to be the states,   doesn't it?  

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Yep. What  

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what what other political status could they have written it for? Nobody.   That's the ones.   Now, you look at the fourteenth   and it's subject   to the   jurisdiction   thereof,   singular.   The thirteenth is plural, there.   They set this up   so they could throw the broad net over the whole country   and turn all of those state citizens   and trick them into being citizens of The United States.   Do you see that?  

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Yep.   Thank you.  

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You're welcome. I mean, when you get enough understanding on this and these answers just jump out at you,   hold it.   I've been I've heard about this my whole life because of the civil war. None of it ever made sense.   Now it does.   And it gives you a tremendous insight   into our enemy or at least how capable they were a hundred and fifty years ago or more, and how they planned and what time frames   they planned on. Because for all of that to happen, they had to throw the country into bankruptcy, and they couldn't do it immediately.   They knew they're gonna have to wait fifty, sixty years.  

These guys are real slick.  

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Yeah. They are. Thank you.  

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Alright.   Okay, kids. I'll see you, manana.   But the good news is, Julie, I think I asked you this one time, Julie.   Do you know what you have when you have one green ball in your left hand and one green ball in your right hand?  

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I guess that would be two green balls.  

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You got the jolly green giant right where you want him.   See you all tomorrow.  

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Does he live live in Blue Land or Greenland?   And, Julie, thanks for the link, today. And,   did not, Roger mentioned that,   in the first part   of Geysers Institutes that he talked about person?   Yeah.  

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Okay. So you put part two in. So is there a part one? Yeah. I'm looking for it right now as we speak. I just noticed that. Thank you for pointing that out.  

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Yep. No problem. I'm looking forward to. Yeah. I'll find it. Alright. Thank you, Julie. Appreciate the link, though.  

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Yeah. I'm gonna put it back in.   I found the first commentary, so let me drop this in.  

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No disrespect to Roger. I know a lot of things are Patriot   methodology.   The guys that have been doing this   have gotten mortgages,   returned back the reversionary interest to The United States, thus reducing the public debt.   So it kinda fits in with the whole fourteenth amendment structure that was set up under usury.   And, it's getting back to the heart of really what the what Christ was talking, forgive us our debts.   So but,   I can't do it justice. But you could go to the use of Ruck Loop   on YouTube and educate yourselves   about what they're what they're doing.  

And,   I think it dovetails nicely into what we're doing, you know, marking everybody using the the, the system   for,   for our, to free us and not to further enslave us, especially by the financial monster system, which, you know, they it's it's it's running the world, basically. It's running the world.  

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Hi, Julie. It's Sherry. How are you today?   I'm good. How are you, Sherry?   I'm well, but I am not on conference call today.   Can you drop those two links into an email to me, please? Do you mind?   Sure. Oh, thank you very kindly. I appreciate you. Put it right now. I'll put it right now. Thank you. K. No problem.  

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Mhmm.  

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Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.  

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