In this episode of the Radio Ranch Friday edition, Roger Sayles is joined by co-host Brent Winters and special guest Paul English. The discussion kicks off with a humorous anecdote about Justin Wilson, a Cajun comedian, and his unique storytelling style. The conversation then shifts to a deep dive into the complexities of banking, usury, and the historical context of financial systems. Paul English shares insights into the Bank of North Dakota's model and its potential as a solution to current banking woes. The episode also touches on the biblical perspective of debt and usury, with references to the Jubilee year and its implications for modern financial systems. Brent Winters provides a legal perspective on these issues, drawing from historical and biblical sources. The episode is rich with historical anecdotes, legal insights, and a call for a return to more equitable financial practices.
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In 10 years after from so many years ago, I used to think that was in the late seventies, but some of the listeners corrected me. And, it was in the early seventies. Good lord, mercy. What what prophecy with those lyrics? Anyway, that starts us out always for noticeable reasons, and, today will be no different. Although, we do have an alternative that we haven't slipped in in a while, Paul. We might have to throw them a curveball for the new folks here one day. Radio Ranch, Friday edition, Roger Sales and the illustrious Brent Winters as our my cohost here on Fridays. Happy to have him always, and it is 17th January.
And, we've got as I was mentioning to Francine there, we've got about 3 more days of tranquils tranquil suspense to see what is gonna come off, and are these guys gonna lay back? We know they're not gonna stop. Are they going to delay a move, or are they going to sit back and let the moment pass? Don't know. We're all gonna find out together, though. So good morning. Friday edition. We're on a number of different platforms that help spread our message all over the darn place. And, one Paul Beener is the one that keeps up with all that. It's way too much for me. So, I call him in to give them here at the start of the programs the proper credit that they have earned and and deserve from us, Paul.
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Mhmm. Yes. Good morning. We're on radiosoapbox.com. Of course, we're on 106.9 WBOU FM in Chicago. We're on Eurofolks Radio.com. Thanks to pastor Eli James. We're on Global Voice Network. I did update the links
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Mhmm. We, we thank Sir Allen for that. Do we not?
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Yes. We do. WDRN productions, Fort Collins, part of the net. Actually, the driving force behind the net family of broadcast. Yikes. No. Yeah.
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It's something when you get the driving force now.
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Indeed. It would appear that
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it would appear my cohost has shown up. So let me, take a stab and say good morning, Brent.
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Good morning, Roger. Good to be here. Old Bull oh, well down on the south side of the equator.
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Pretty good. Pretty good. The weather's well, well, this is our kinda winter time of year. We you know, it's funny because, actually, we're south of the equator about 10 miles, I believe. But yet, we mimic the northern hemisphere seasons. Our summer is June, July, August usually. And, this is kinda winter, so we it's not cold or anything necessarily. A little bit sometimes. We we get a you know, like, you have a 3 dog night. Remember those guys? You know, that you've one of those nights up there in Alaska where you gotta have 3 dogs around you to keep warm? Well well, we have 3 blanket nights here occasionally. Not very often, occasionally.
But, it's still a lovely place and, glad to be here. So, we're right on the cusp of potentially some pretty gigantic changes, Brent. Well, what what, have you been talking about all week on the show? What what what are people talking about? Well, you know, there's some very interesting things that popped up this week, actually, that I'm sure you probably don't know about because I know you're always off doing other things. But, let me see if I can throw this name at you and see if it rings a bell. Billy Saul Estes. No?
Really?
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No. Billy Saul Estes. Is that it? Yeah. Uh-huh.
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Oh. That doesn't ring a bell with you? I'm sure I'm surprised. Billy Saul Estes was one of LBJ's. He had 2 right hand men, and he was one of them. And there was another guy. I think his name was Campbell, and he's the one that, LBJ elevated to head the DNC. And these were his 2 henchmen and pretty substantial, information that came out this week. Billy, I remember the name Billy Solestis from when I was a kid surrounding LBJ and Kennedy. What happened evidently, Billy Soleestis, just an old West Texas boy. And when he was young, 5 6, 7 years old, he got a pig and a baby pig, and he parlayed that into a fortune.
K? And, mainly with cotton, but all other stuff. He was I remember his grandson was the one that's telling all this, who's trying to clear the family name a little bit. And, because, what happened evidently, I had to read between the lines a little bit here, but the Kennedys went after LBJ, but they went after him through Billy Solestis. And so the he was doing a cotton thing. They were trying to bust up the cotton trust, I guess. And he came up with some scheme where he'd give the farmer'd buy the land, but he wouldn't charge him anything. And the farmer grow the cotton, and then the farmer would default on the farm payments, and Billy saw Estes get the cotton anyway. Yeah. Something like that.
Just a little backdoor deal. You know? And, so, the Kennedys went after him. And one of the things that, LBJ said was on the those bastards will never embarrass me again. And so this may have been the impetus, but what was going on here was him and this he had to go serve a little time in, Club Fed. And by the time he got out, I believe it was March of 71. Uh-huh. And him and this other guy, Campbell, got together because Campbell died in the fall of 71. So it's that little window when he got out of jail and before the other one died, and they set themselves up a dead man's trigger. Uh-huh. I know you know what that is. And they attributed that to the point that both of them lived a little bit longer. You know?
They, on this tape, discuss all that background. They absolutely finger LBJ for hiring, and they give the assassin's name, the guy that took out Kennedy, and, 14 other people, by the way. And, all this came out, and this grandson got the tapes that somebody in the family had given him. And he's just now letting him out after all these years, and they played him live this week on Alex. So, pretty big news, really. You know?
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Yeah. But Well, it's amazing to me the the length that people will go. I shouldn't say it's amazing. I should not be amazed. Lengths of people go to worship people in in the public eye. Mhmm. And the Kennedys, have enjoyed that. And there's nobody lower on, in the country than them as far as stealing money. Old man Kennedy made 2 massive fortunes worth 1,000,000,000. Yep. The first and he did it did it off of the government. The first one, he was, ambassador to Britain. Yes. And he was able and people get into office mostly for this reason, by the way. I mean, when you ask yourself, why do people go to congress, normal folk with, an income and come out millionaires and billionaires?
Are we blind? They're stealing. That's why. Well, that it was, you had to get a little higher back then. Congressman couldn't do that in the 19 thirties, but old man Kennedy made a fortune there. And then he had inside information about prohibition, and he made a fortune there. So and he had shiploads of liquor sitting offshore. Yep. And he Got Good point. Good point. And he yeah. To be more precise. And, ever since then, you make your money on that kind of stuff. This has been my observation in life and reading history. You make your money that way, hell and destruction and death will not leave your family. No. It'll follow you. It'll follow you. And we see that plainly in the Bible. God told David, king of Israel. He said, because you've done this thing, you've coveted, lied, stole, committed adultery, and murdered your neighbor, a faithful man named Uriah. You stole his wife.
For that, of course, you committed all the other breakings of the last 5 of the ten commandments in reverse order. And then he said, the the the death and the trouble and the confusion and the the fighting and the murder will not leave your house, and it didn't. It got oh, you know, for a powerful man, David, a very powerful man, never ever did David ever lose in military encounter, beginning when he was a teenage boy against Goliath and right on through. But then when it came to his family, it all went, h e, double l, in a hand basket, and there was nothing but murder and death and humiliation until he was dead.
Yeah. Yeah. Do we think, do we think that that's going to change? And the Bible says, no. The book Hebrews says, no. You think it was bad back then? This is in the new testament. The book of Hebrews said, as bad as it was back then, as tough as God was on his own people. And David was one of his men and he stayed one of his men by the way. But God put a hurting on him like he would a way and a wayward child. Then the book of Hebrews said, do you think that God is any less that way or more that way now that we have the full revelation of what he's given to us?
And if you tramp across the blood of the covenant, as it says, just walk over it like it doesn't amount to anything. It's gonna be worse for you than it was for those folk in the old testament because we have more understanding. God has revealed himself more. We, he sent folks and to us to tell us what the truth is. We go back folks, they hear what they do. Here's what they do, Roger. They live in la la land, and they they believe the light that says, go ahead, put the revolver to your head and pull the trigger. It's not loaded. It's not loaded. No, that's la la land. And most people live there. It's been my observation. And, and if you can, if you can, if you have it within you, if God has put it within you to accept reality
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and not la la land. I just went through the old testament yesterday. Let me let me hold. Let me let me see if I can hold you. I wanna make sure you've heard this. You know, 5 out of 6 people say that Russian roulette is perfectly safe.
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Well, that's la la land. They're believing the lies that are being told. Say it again. I I'm I'm supposed to make a presentation here, and I'm trying to think about what to say and, presentation not here, but later on a week or 2. And, I said, you know, I went to the old Testament yesterday and I traced the word that is translated the Hebrew word that is translated, many different ways in the King James Bible, because it just, it it's, it flows smooth. But the truth is it only means one thing. It means reality, reality, denial, denial of reality. That's all it means. It's translated more ways you can shake a stick at. So I went through and I translated it that way in every case because that's what it means.
And I was struck doing that. Of course, tracing the word through the warp and the Wolf. I think it appeared 78 times and seeing the context it's in and how it flows with the text. It drove home like a nail into my brain. And what word is this? It's a, it's a Hebrew word, that it means, it means, to deny reality. And you want me to pronounce the word course, I don't know how they used to pronounce it. I can look it up here and maybe, and you use money. You can even go to the internet now and people will, give you audios on how to pronounce the word. Do you want the word? Is that what you're after?
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Yes. Well, I but you're talking about it. I didn't I missed earlier if you gave it. I was just wondering what it was. I don't know if you're gonna get to it. Getting to it is your punch line. Don't give it to me. But, otherwise, I'm like a Cajun. I got a big curious. You know? Oh,
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you lived too long in Louisiana. Yeah. Big Cajuns have big curious. Is that what you said? Yeah. Yeah. They got a big curious. I didn't know that was a saying down there. Yeah. That's old Justin. That's old Justin Wilson.
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But they got a big they got a big curious, you know, or he'd say, yeah. That fellow moved up north, way up north around Shreveport.
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Yeah. You know what I was wondering about? I'd listened to him. I had a girlfriend when I was, young and foolish. Now I'm just old and foolish, but I had a girlfriend down south of St. Louis, long interstate 55 going down into the Bootheel. And her name, I will give you her name, but she lived on there a little town down there called Imperial. It's right. It's right in the river bottoms. And, so I'd stay, I'd stay there. I go there on a, on a Saturday, stay all day, and, you know, if you got if you're with the girl you like, you just can't leave. And so we'd stay up in the night, and we'd talk. And, yeah, don't, yeah, don't be thinking we were doing anything else. No. I wasn't old Know how to do that, and I was always scared of the girls anyway. But we'd talk and and it get later and later and later, and it'd be 2 or 3 in the morning. And we'd sit on the table and play footsie, swing our leg, you know, like young people do. And then I realized that was on Sunday night, not Saturday. Sunday night because I had to be at home, and we were supposed to we were farming then, and I was supposed to be on tractor. So I'd stay up all night, and then I'd try to drive home and drive it. And I'd open didn't have air conditioning, and the car had a 63 Chevy. And I'd open all the windows, and I'd turn the radio up full blast and try to stay awake. You know?
And I could get, Roger, I could get w w see, w w l. That's, New Orleans. Yep. Okay. Yeah. I get they they crank it up at night, see 50,000 watts, and I could get that. And then and that was a trucker station all over the country. And so I I listened to Justin Wilson. Yeah. And one night
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now are you gonna have something to say, Roger? Well, I was gonna launch off on something, but I wanna hear your story first. Oh, I know we
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oh, I was listening to Justin Wilson. He'd tell all these crazy stories. You know? And, he got to tell him about this little boy sitting on the street corner on a Sunday morning when nobody was up. And it was quiet in town. This little urchin, he called him, sitting on the street corner, and he had a bottle of turpentine. And this little about 10 years old or something, and he'd had the and he turned the bottle upside down, and all the bubbles had come up at the top, and then he'd turn it over and he'd watch the bubbles go the other way. And he just staring at it and thinking about it and trying to understand it. And and there was a new priest in town. Of course, it's down in Louisiana, so they had a parish priest there. And this new priest didn't know anybody in town, saw this little urchin setting on the street corner.
And he said, well, here's a pedagogical moment. I'm a new priest, and he was young and excited. I'll teach this boy some some mysteries of Rome, you know, and, in a in a in an easy to understand way. And he said, what you got there, boy? And he's he the boy looked up at the priest. He saw his color, and he said, preacher, he said, this here is the most powerful as liquid in the world. And the priest said, oh, no. No. No, son. He said, holy water is the most powerful liquid in the world. And, he said, well, how how powerful is it? He said, I can take a flask of holy water and pass it over the womb of a woman in labor, and she will pass a newborn baby boy or girl.
And this little 10 year old kid nodded up his eyebrows again like he's thinking. He said, as he was kind of staring off in the space, he said that ain't nothing. He said, I can just I can take just 2 drops of this stuff and put it under a cat's tail and he'll pass a motorcycle. I was laughing so hard. That woke me up. And I went home. I went I got home about daylight, and I walked in the house, and my dad and my granddad were there trying to eat breakfast and getting ready to go to the field, and I I told my granddad this joke. And my granddad, he's he was, on the Kentucky side of the family, and they were stiff up stiff upper lip kinda stoic mountain people, you know, and tobacco farmers.
And, he busted out laughing and I had never seen him laugh since I'd never seen him laugh. He just, that one made him laugh. And later on, I heard made me laugh too. I heard heard him tell it to somebody else, but that was the one time I got through my my granddad with a funny story, but it wasn't my story, of course. And like I like to say, he who never quotes, never quoted. I was quoting Justice Wilson, Justin Wilson. What I could never figure out about Wilson, if maybe you can answer this question. You know, he claimed to be a Cajun.
Yes. But his name was British Wilson. Yeah. I have I have Cajun friends. They have French names, you know, like,
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things like that. It was a stick.
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Oh, I see.
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And the reason I know that is he he's gone now. Yeah. Unfortunately, he's one of our favorite people down here. Oh. His name was Lanny. He's from Chicago. He was, say, a a a wrestler, worldwide wrestler. Oh, he was. Yeah. No. He was. His brother was real famous. He wasn't as famous, but you could go and, put put the, the genius is one of his names when he was wrestling was the genius. Oh, well, that explains the thing. Oh, was he funny? Oh, man. We miss him so much. He's just such a great guy and fun to be around. And and so he he'd say he'd say, you know, when I get up and recite all that poetry, because that was his stick, right, to do the poetry and then go do the wrestling match. Right? Oh. And he'd say, that poetry that I'd read and you go, yeah. And you go, that's the only thing that was real.
Well, I didn't know that. But I tell I'm telling you this because he was down traveling in in Louisiana and he ran into Justin Wilson in the airport. And so he goes over and starts talking to him and he's doing his Cajun stuff. And then he tells him who he is and he totally drops in and just talks to him normal. So it was a shtick. Okay. So he wasn't he wasn't from the south. He wasn't from Louisiana. Well, no, I can't say that. I think he was, but but this whole Cajun thing was a shtick. And for the people that don't know who we're talking about, he's a Cajun comedian, and he'd get on there and cook. And he'd cook all kinds of different, you know, crawfish etouffee and all that kind of stuff. And the whole time he was cooking, he'd give you these jokes and this oratory. It's quite a character.
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No. He was a good talker and he a humorous. That's the way I would describe him. Yes. Yeah. Like Will Rogers, kinda. Yeah. Oh, I'm I'm just pulling him up here because I shucks on the Internet. Why did I why haven't I looked him up? I don't know. I never did. But, he was born in Louisiana. Yeah. No. Florida. Let's see. No. Southeast Louisiana near Florida. He was a second of 7 children. Uh-huh. And from 9 his father was Louisiana commissioner of agriculture and forestry from 1916 to 1948 and a member of the Louisiana house of representatives.
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Wow. He was right there with Kingfish.
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Yeah. That explains all this bravado. You know? And like we like to say, Louisiana is the only non common law jurisdiction in the United States. And, the reason is because the, the focus settled us so heavily at the first were the same people that live up in Quebec, and they came down the river, Mississippi, trying they were trying to get away. They were trying to get away from the the British government, and they wanted their they wanted their law of the city. They didn't want law because they're, in their heart of hearts, of course, they're part of the imperial Roman church. It says here, Harry Wilson, his father was of, was of Welsh descent.
Okay. Cool. But his mother, lived in the Cajun regions of Louisiana or immigrated from France. Uh-huh. She taught her son, Justin, how to cook. Her nurse, the surname was from the from, and her people were from the Guernsey Islands over by Britain.
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Wow. But just, he's just a odd spot of different things. Just a slight correction. They they didn't necessarily come down the Mississippi. They left Nova Scotia, and they came down the eastern seaboard. And the significance of that is they stopped in Savannah, of Charleston, and some of them got off. And they stopped in Savannah, and some of them got off. And then the remainder of them went down around Florida and ended up in Louisiana. Now in in Georgia, they call them the Geechee. They're not called cages. They're called Geechee. Uh-huh. And I think the same thing in South Carolina too. Maybe Bruce, if he's with us, would know. But, anyway, yes, it's track of these people. And, exactly like Brent said, they wanted to be amongst themselves, and they wanted the law of the city, and they found, Louisiana. And it's quite a different state. Now I saw a poll over on Zero Hedge a couple years ago. It was quite interesting to me, and they had 2 different ways. They said, which state did the people like living the most in, and which state do the people like living the opposite? K. I I don't wanna say the least in, but the opposite of that. And both of them were Louisiana.
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I'll be. Well, it certainly is a different kind of place, and you know that better than most because you lived there and went to school there. Matter of fact. I did. I did. And, you get a feel for the place. You know, one of the things that I've noticed tonight, I don't know what the remedy to this is. Used to be comparative law was taught in all law schools are required course. In other words, you had to understand the difference between the law of the land and the law of the city. Mhmm. But now the only place in the country where, comparative law that is comparing the law of the land with the law of the city or common law with the civil law of Rome.
Civil canon law is the proper way to say it. The only place you, have to study that in law school is Louisiana. You have to study it there. It's required course in their law school. So folk in Louisiana know the difference and know that they are different. Mhmm. But we and the rest of the country have abandoned that and trying to understand that difference, and it will destroy us, by the way. It will destroy us. Did you know go ahead, Roger.
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There was a guy that popped up 25 years ago. Him and Beecraft got to be big buddies. Yeah. He was from up in Shreveport. He's a constitutional attorney, and he's the one that came out and beat the IRS in court. And he got a lot of attention for that, but he was a skilled attorney. He probably got him on some technicality. Uh-huh. But I tried when he first popped up, and he's coming out like everybody else. Show me the law. And I actually talked to him on the phone and tried to explain all this stuff to him. It didn't register at all. But anyway and I can't remember his name. Probably somebody in the audience can.
But he was from I think he was up up from around Shreveport, actually.
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Uh-huh. Well, there's nothing in Houston like that, but that does that way. Oh, he's crying.
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Yes. Tom Cryer because my little handle is Town Cryer. And that's right. Thank you. Is that Bob? Thank you, Bob.
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Yeah. That is, I remember Bob. Thanks. I remember that hadn't been that long ago. I was thinking way back. No, this guy went, they tried him, in the federal criminal trial. Yes. Yeah. And he beat him. Yeah. And, and the B craft was his lawyer. Yes.
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Yeah. I remember that now. And see, the thing is, is when, when we hear about a victory like that, everybody thinks, well, he beat them on the law. Well, they didn't, he didn't beat them on the law. He beat them on some technicality.
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Yeah. That's the way it works. Yep. And it and, it hasn't changed things a bit.
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May have, saved his hide, but he didn't live long after that. I remember he's gone. That's right. He died pretty quickly after that. True. Him and B Kraft were big, big buddies, I I remember.
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Well, the the common law tradition is fundamental to who we are. And as I've said I think I've said this to you before, Roger. Because the Louisiana is a law of the city instead of a law of the land jurisdiction. Louisiana didn't have a jury trial for capital crimes until after 1968.
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I remember you saying that. That's when I was there.
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Yeah. And that was at the, at the command of the Supreme Court to the United States because a fellow was tried for murder there. And he said, wait a minute. Now this, this figures right into what into your wheelhouse, Roger, He was convicted and he said, wait a minute. Of course, you know where he was going to go if they didn't execute him. He was going to go to, what's the name of that prison down there? Angola.
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Angola. It's notorious folks.
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And, they have the Angola rodeo there. That's why I know about Angola president. I had a buddy that went down to stayed with, stayed with the warden in his house, him and his wife, because, he supported their ministry. And he was a Christian man and he wanted to make sure the men in prison had access to Christianity. And, he invited him to come down and go to the Angola rodeo. That's how I heard about it and they brought, they came back with a video recording back in the days of video. And I remember watching the, of course, the rodeo poker as the climax.
No. There's 2. No. Road no. Not rodeo poker. There's 2 things at the end. One of them is rodeo poker where 4 men set in the middle of the arena with their hands on a cheap card table for convicts. And, and they turn out the biggest Douglas brain mobile you've ever seen. And this Bramer bull looking around for something, somebody's butt to kick, you know, and the man, the man that's left left sitting there. That's the way that works. You can imagine how that goes. I've never heard that. Oh, yeah. And that and, of course, they asked this one fella, my buddy, Rob, brought the video back, said, why are you doing this?
Of course, I have big crowd there, you know? And they, they collect all the guns as the people are coming into the rodeo and they've got thousands of, pistols and stuff because people carry pistols, you know, and they, they make them turn them in and then they put a tag on them and then they have ambulances all around the rodeo. Cause these guys that are doing this don't know much about rodeo. You know, they're just trying to run. That's why it's fun to watch. So I said, why are you doing this? He said, because I've got a family and I'll never be able to be with them again.
And I want my sons to know that their father is not a coward. That's what goes, that's kind of thinking that goes on and kind of side of prison. Well, the other, the other event, I forget what they call it, but what they do is they turn in this meanest biggest Brahma bull they could find and they hang between these horns, a medallion. So the medallion is hanging by little chain chains on both sides, hooked to his horns, right in the middle of his forehead. And the man that can snatch that medallion off of his Ford gets $600 that was back then.
And they asked this other fellow said, why do you do this? I said, well, two reasons. I want to give $600 to my son, my wife, and I want them to know I'm gonna I'm gonna do all I can given the circumstances I'm in to take care of them. No. What a wonderful thought. Well, so the only way well, I watched all of them try to do it. They're a bunch of convicts out there in the rodeo arena trying to get this medallion, and the only way to do it, you gotta let the bull run over you. There is no other way. I watched all of them try it. Well, they interviewed this one fella before, the event started, and they said, well, what what's your plan, you know, to do this? He said, well, he was getting real serious. He was saying, you got it. You got to get inside the head of the bull. You got to understand what he's thinking.
And then you can psyche him. You know, he had all this figured out. Well, the next scene, the next scene, they're carrying this guy out on a stretcher. Of course the same, the same newspaper reporter asked him what happened. And, he said, well, I must've miscalculated, but when he, what he would do, this guy would get down in front of the bull, head on, get down on his hands and knees. And the bull, of course, would be dragging up dirt with his front feet. You know, throwing it like that. And this guy do the same thing. He drag up dirt with his front feet and he tried to get the bull thinking he was ready to fight him. And then he jumped up and run. And just before the bull run over him, you have to reach back and try to grab this medallion and the bull bull runs over you. You know?
Yeah. That's the Angola prison, but this fella appealed his conviction for murder. It was a capital crime. And he appealed, got up to the Supreme court of the United States. And what he said in his appeal was this. He said, I'm a citizen of the state of Louisiana. The state of Louisiana doesn't provide me with jury trial because they're the Canon civil law jurisdiction. They don't have juries. The juries only exist in common law countries, and there's only a few in the world, frankly. And w w I'm, but he said, not only my citizen, Louisiana, a citizen of the United States and United States constitution in the 14th amendment, guarantees me all these things in the bill of rights. One of them is right to trial by jury.
And he said, I demand a jury trial. The Supreme court of the United States came back and said, we agree. So you're entitled to a jury trial. And they of course sent, sent the case back and threw it back below and said, give this man a jury trial. And they said, what the, what the requirements of jury trial are? Yeah. That's Louisiana that spells the difference between the law of the land and the law of the city that spells the difference between Christianity and paganism. And that spells the difference between freedom and tyranny. And And if even though those French boys down there want that civil law, you know, you go to Louisiana, the like in, the imperial church and all the countries of the world that have the law of the city, the governor is the executive power is exceedingly powerful in Louisiana like no other state. Matter of fact, he's pretty much the government.
That's what you call tyranny. Oh, they get along alright with it because like Quebec, same thing with Quebec and Canada because they're surrounded in America where they're sanctified, fact. And if it wasn't for that, I don't know what what would happen. Maybe they would live in absolute tyranny and people leave the state. I don't know. But there is this effect. Now, that comes through the 14th amendment, they said. I say, well, I don't know if that's the reason. I just know that Louisiana, as I've said before, to tap it off and top it off is a civil law jurisdiction. And by that contrast, we have along with Quebec and Canada, we should be able to see the difference and choose what is right.
Go ahead, Roger.
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I was well, I think the western provinces of Canada are trying to get take Trump up on his offer of being the 51st state. That's kinda interesting, but Louisiana was, I have very fond memories there. Of course, I wasn't aware of any of this when I was a young young man down there. But, the people are fantastic, and, they're they're very friendly. And, of course, you've got all that overriding Cajun. They you know, the people call them. There's another name for them. It's kinda like the n word to them, and that's called coonass. But they prefer to be called Cajuns.
And, it just, it it was a great experience for me in those years. Oh, I
[00:36:48] Unknown:
I'm sure. I mean, Louisiana is a place that provides a contrast because it is so different, and I've been there and never lived there. I do remember driving down the, we went down to Louisiana and then we cut across to go to my father in law's place over north of Dallas. And we went down through, Alexandria.
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Man, that's where I lived.
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Oh, okay. Well, Alexandria, Louisiana is the headquarters of the apostolic church in America. The apostolic church. Now the apostolic church in America is not Christianity, although they think they are. They are Jesus only people. They deny the Godhood of the father, the Godhood of the spirit, and they just, it, Jesus only. That's what they say. Yeah. Wow. And, I remember going through there and everywhere we went, we stopped in a restaurant or something. You see all these ladies with long dresses and their hair piled up on top of their heads. And these little fellows following these women in big print, big women in print dresses, following around with a little bow ties, you know? And, I realized it was a post all like country.
Now, if you're an apostolic and you're listening, I just strongly suggest that you, that you, search the scriptures and come to your own conclusions about who that, what I should say, what the Godhead is, What the godhead is. They're looking yesterday. No. Day before yesterday. There's one word in the New Testament. The King James version translates it godhead. And it's a word for God, but it's has a suffix on the end. That's only used in one place, Romans chapter 1, and the suffix is the suffix of agency, taste, tau, a to sigma.
And, John the Baptist, of course, he had that suffix on the end of the word, bapt, and it was Baptiste. Well, that's it. That's the suffix of agency. And so we call him John the Baptiste. That's an old word, but today we would say John the baptizer. He's the one that did the baptizing. That's called the suffix of agency. Well, this, this word for God has the suffix for agency on it. And what it's saying is God is the agent of all these things that, that are he's the agent from the Godhead. Well, who's the agent from the Godhead? Well, any of the 3 persons of the Godhead that act on behalf of the Godhead. And by the way, way the Godhead always agrees or the same mind and they, don't disagree the same will.
So if any one of the 3 persons of the Godhead does anything, they're acting as an agent with power to bind the Godhead.
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And that is true of the and that is true of the son, and that is true of the father. Go ahead, Roger. Is that like the, what we put on some of our cover letters, notice to the principal's notice to the agent, notice to the agents, notice to the principal?
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Yeah. Exactly, Roger. Thank you. And this, the law of agency is an important part of our common law tradition. And because we have in our common law tradition, what we call partnerships for one reason and a partnership is a reciprocal agency. I'm the agent of my partner. My partner is the agent to me. Yeah. Correct. Therefore, you know, therefore, we can both bind each other in contract without the other person even knowing it. That's why partnerships are dangerous and usually confined to mining partnerships are big. Of course, law lawyers have always used partnership, but there's something to hold them to decency. There are a lot of partners who have lost a lot of money in the world. Roger, are you going to say something? They generally don't work out too well as my experience.
No. That I ever tell you. I can't remember. I told you about the time I met Barry Goldwater.
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Oh, I think you did. But tell the audience again, he was quite a guy. You know, one of his sayings still lives on right now, especially what is it? Extremism
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and the defense of Liberty is no vice. Isn't that it? Yeah. Well, yeah. Of course he's quoting an ancient author who said that how, extreme is extreme virtue is no vice. Maybe you could say that about a lot of things. Extreme, devotion to Jesus Christ is no vice. You know, you can, take it the other way. Who was it that said, I'm, for moderation, especially in the case of moderation. I wanna be a moderate like Yogi Berra. Oh, it was, what was that Jewish fella that, used to be on TV, had the cigar, and he'd, what's the
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Jeb Burns?
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Well, that was one. No. It was the other one. And his other Marx Brothers, the one with the cigar.
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Uh-huh.
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Yeah. The other, you know, TV show where he'd question people. You know? Well, anyway, I Groucho? Groucho? Groucho. Yeah. He'd say, I I'm all for moderation, especially especially, when it comes to moderation, we need to be moderate about that. But, the time I met Barry, I was, in the mining business and, I was out west and I was in a little town, out in the desert near a mountain range, and I was staying in a place that had 2 or 3 units in it. And I got up one morning and rubbing my eyes and rubbing my, having my t shirt on rubbing my belly and looking out the door, had door open. And of course it was nice. It was in the southwest and it was a desert morning and it was blooming and little man walking little old man, I should say. He wasn't little, but I call him a little old man because he was humped over at a cane and he threw his face up toward me and said, how are you doing this morning, young man?
And I immediately knew who it was because Barry Goldwater has distinct features and, you can't miss it. He's kind of cut his jaw on his face or cut a certain way. And I tried not to act surprised. I said, well, I'm doing pretty good. Pretty good. How about you? You know, and I tried to engage with him and I was kind of catching my breath. I turned back in and went to my partner. There's my partner. See, that's called a reciprocal agency. We're in the mining business. And, I said, that's Barry Goldwater. He said, your kid. I said, no, he live in, he's staying right next to us.
We'll come to find out we got, we figured out what time he'd come back in the evening. He was staying there for a couple of weeks because he had a grandson that was in a, a dude ranch, a drug rehabilitation dude ranch outside of town. Okay. So him and his daughter and his son-in-law were there. We figured out what time he'd come back in the evening. We tried to make a point of being there. Well, what I found out, of course, I shouldn't have been surprised, but I'd never been in politics at that point in my life. And I found out if a man is really good in politics and get someplace, he, he knows how to talk. And this man, he, you turn him on, you couldn't shut him off, but you didn't wanna shut him off because he'd tell story after story after story. So he got, one night we came back down off the hill, we called it up in the mountains there and he has the mountains Canyon and, and he was there and he said, what's your boys doing way out here? I've seen your license plates. And he were back in the Midwest, you know?
And he said, my mother, he said, my mother was the 1st registered nurse in the Arizona territory. And he said she was from Galesburg, Illinois, which is up on the Mississippi River. And he said, my mother, you know, she's, she's not Jewish, but I my father is. She he told us. And he just oh, no. He told us about being in the the the deepest and the biggest mine. A gold mine in Arizona was the the the, the oh, it was called the not the buzzard. It had to do with a buzzard, but, or a vulture vulture. That's what it was. The vulture mine. It was discovered by, by an Austrian immigrant by the name of, Henry Wickenburg.
Well, Henry, he gave up. His partners abandoned him, you know, left him with all the debts. He's setting out in the middle of the desert and there's a rock, what a Welshman calls a tour, a tour rock sticking up out of the ground. And he sat in there and he noticed that the vultures were starting to gather around him. He didn't know where he was. And of course, he was out in the middle of the howling wilderness. He threw a rock at 1 of the vultures sitting on this ledge sticking up out of the desert, and, then he walked over there and broke off a piece of rock and he saw a little bit of color in it, and it was gold.
Well, long story short, he went back and began to chip that rock and went to find, a settlement of civilization and got him some from the Apaches lived on the Hasseampa there. Hassayampa means upside down in in Apache, by the way. Hassayampa, upside down called the and the river there was called the Hassayampa because it would flow, and it still does. You can see it. It flows on top of the riverbed, and then it disappears underneath the riverbed, and then it comes back up again and flows a while. You know? So they call it the Haciampa, but he started working on that ledge. He was down with his hands and knees, busting that up and gathering that ore and trying to get it to an Erastus to be drugged out and busted up. That's the way they used to bust them up, in a a Erastus, which is a con, contraption where a donkey or a mule drags rocks around and around around, on the end of the attached to end of a pole and it bust up the ore, and and you can run it through a a a pan or run it through it. You can pan it and get the gold out.
Well, he, started in. That mine became big, and it was the biggest gold producer in the country for years, and then they it ran until World War 2, and they shut it down as an as a non essential industry. It's still there. And it's been worked some since then, but he told me that his father, so he came there and Henry Wickenburg owed his father $30,000 that's the story told me. And so Henry couldn't pay him. He was gold miners this way. The people who discover a lot of gold often die penniless. It's a Yeah. Odd law of nature. I apologize.
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Can I insert
[00:47:07] Unknown:
Oh, well, and I suppose Roger is okay with you as well? That's Alan. Yeah. Which guy? Is that Alan?
[00:47:13] Unknown:
This is very strange, and let me tell you why. You started this conversation with Galesburg, Illinois. That is my family's seat on my mother's side. Yeah. And, I don't know what my grandmother's maiden name was, but my mother's maiden name was spelled german. And my grandfather, even though we never actually found out what he did, he was already very elderly. He he passed away, I believe, in the mid eighties, okay, from smoking and stuff. But, his stories to the family are are hitting key points that you're talking about, and he may have been one of the minors that was employed at that mine.
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And that was
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Brent. Reason for his health being, as bad as it was.
[00:48:06] Unknown:
Yeah. Galesburg and all of the what they call Rock Island up on the Mississippi River and Rock Island, Rock Island. There was an island. I was gonna say the Rock Island Island, but it already we call it Rock Island, but, yeah, it's a colorful place up there in a lot of ways. A lot of Swedes a lot of Swedes settled up in there, but there were also a lot of Presbyterian set up settled up in there, and there's a one of the big Presbyterian colleges up there, a conservative place, but also it's a rough and tumble area. Galesburg plus the Quad Cities, Galesburg, Little Inland. When I was, growing up, we drove up to Galesburg one time, my dad and I, and had to borrow a big grain truck, and we were gonna get a load of of, a sow crates for hogs.
And I remember we drove all the way up there, and I didn't understand that that's up in the open prairie. We're talking the richest dirt in the world up through there. The blackest and richest and the deepest, even more so than highway, topsoil. But, the wind was blowing, and there was a the heater didn't work in that green truck. And, it had a mouse nest in it that happens often back in that part of the world. And the mouse well, they built a big nest in there, and it wouldn't blow. You know? Lucky it didn't start on fire. But it was down to about 0 that day or below up up through there. We're going up north, and we had on about 2 or 3 pair of overalls. I remember that, and we like to froze to death, but we made it back. That's the way it works. Well, Galesburg, his mother was from there, but his father was Jewish.
His name was Gold Wasser Gold Wasser, and I believe he was Hungarian. Hungarian Jew is the way he told me the story. So his his father had a partner, and they had a so not far from where that was, Prescott, Arizona, and his father had a dry goods store. He was a merchant, which is what Jewish people did when they immigrated to America. And he had a partner in his dry goods store in, Prescott. And, his partner, I think, bought a lot of merchandise and got in debt. His partner, took all their money and, absconded. He would and he had, of course, contracted and bound in in contract, Barry Goldwater's father.
Of course, they changed their name to Goldwater from Goldwater because that didn't sound very American. So it means Goldwater, by the way. I I think Goldwasser does. It's a German word. You know? They were in Bulgaria, there's a German section, and there's the other section, and I think it they were from the German section of hung Hungary.
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Well I can't snipe one last Go ahead. I I wanna tell you. I I the the story that you're telling is so validated with me. It is not funny. You're talking about things that I'm very familiar with. I spent over 7, 8 years, in, Galesburg in the first spurt and then another 4 years in the second spurt that I that I lived in Galesburg. And, again, I I know the the names that you're mentioning are are literally above the jewelers in in Galesburg back when I lived there and things of that. These are people I know either personally or their descendants. Literally.
[00:51:17] Unknown:
You know, the sure what your time but if it's or thereabout
[00:51:22] Unknown:
for the for the activities. Dude, I know I know their grandchildren.
[00:51:26] Unknown:
Well, well, I've worked cast with a wide net, I guess. But, you know, I said
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than that. I I just don't see it.
[00:51:35] Unknown:
Well, it said the Swedes settled up through there. A lot of Swedes settled in from the North Central Illinois on across. And, like Carl Sandberg, see? I take it he was a Swede. He was from there. The German the German side of Switzerland. You know, there's a French side of Switzerland and the German side. And and, so the German names come from the German side, but like Hungary, same thing. There's a German side and the Hungarian side is split. But, he said that his father, of course, he was, Jewish and his, partner absconded with all the money. Well, by the time Barry came along, he told us his whole life story. This was fascinating to hear it from his own mouth. There's a man that ran for president, the United States in 19 6 4 against, Lyndon Johnson. Mhmm. Well, and by the way, the reason that happened was because a woman that lived in Alton, Illinois, which is just south of Galesburg, Alton, Illinois, North of St. Louis on the Mississippi River, and her name was Phyllis Schlafly. And she's the reason that Goldwater calls the Republican convention was in San Francisco that year, and she's the one. She was younger then. She's gone now. But she's the one that organized, organized, Barry Goldwater being, brought in. She's an arch conservative from, Alton, Illinois. Alton, Illinois is also the place. This is kinda I don't know how things work out this way. Alton, Illinois, Buddy Ebsons from Alton, Illinois.
You know, the Beverly Hillbillies guy. Right. And then, the big man himself. What was his name? That great big fella that used to be in, Cheyenne summer back in the 19 fifties, the TV show. And then he Oh, hoss? No. Shucks. They called him the big man himself because he was 6 foot 6, and he was big. And not only tall, he was broad. You know, he was huge. And, Walker, Clint Walker. Oh, okay. Yeah. Clint Walker, Alton, Illinois, and, also buddy Epson and buddy Epson, by the way, is a Danish immigrant. His father immigrant immigrated from, from, Denmark and settled in Alton, Illinois.
Well, any rate, getting back to Barry. So his father was a Jewish. So when Barry was old enough, they still had that dry goods store in Prescott, but he was making a little money and, he wanted to make more money. And, he decided he'd move to Scottsdale and move his whole caboodle to Scottsdale, and he'd start selling whim women's lingerie and beautiful women's clothes because that's where the big money is. And he opened up a department store somehow called Goldwater's department store. I think it's still there. I I don't know. But, he began to make a lot of money and Everett Dirkson, there's another fellow from back near Galesburg. He was Pekin, Illinois, which is not far from Peoria and Galesburg be off of the west.
But, he got to be friends with Barry and he talked him into running for us Senate. And that's how that happened because he, he got concerned. He was conservative minded Barry Goldwater, but he here's the story he told me that I wanted to get to that made me laugh. And I, I used to tell this story when I was running for Congress. And the reason I told this story was because, because Barry Goldwater himself told it to me and he did. I'm not just coming up with this. This was his story. So I preface it with this. He got to Scottsdale and of course he got been making good money, and they're trying to get him into politics. And he was out the country cub club, but in with the, where the eat like we used to say, where the elite meat eat pigs feet out at the country club. In Scottsdale, a lot smaller, but there are a lot of rich people there.
And, he was playing golf, and he wanted to join the country club, but it's one of these kind of country clubs back in them days. You didn't you didn't join that country club unless there was an opening, and that meant somebody had to die. And not only that, that was the first requirement. The second requirement was, they had to invite you. And there are a lot of folk wanting to get in, see. So he was playing golf with them, though. He'd play there, and sometimes if he would come as a guest. And and he wanted to be in that country club because that was be a position of influence, and he was trying to get into politics. So he was playing, 18 holes with one of his buddies, he said, and they're walking down the fairway. And finally, his buddy, another businessman there in, Scottsdale put his arm around him as they're walking and said, dangammit, Barry. He said, I sure sure like you, and I want you to know all the boys here at the country club like you do.
And we want you to be a member of this country club. But doggone it, he said, you know what the problem is? And Barry said, what? He said, you're half Jew.
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Oh, God.
[00:56:23] Unknown:
Very, very sad. Very sad. Very sad. That depressing. He was telling me this story. He was but all he was doing was spinning a story, but I I believe the story was true. He said it was true. He said it really got him down when he heard that. But he said, then this guy said to him, but don't worry, Barry. Don't worry. He said, I've I've been talking to the boys at the country club, and I think we got a deal worked out where we can get you in the country club. And, and, he said, what is it? And he said, well, he said, there are 18 holes at this golf course.
And, I got it worked out since you're half Jew. The boy said you can join, but you can only play 9 holes. That's how he says he got into the Scottsdale country club.
[00:57:14] Unknown:
That's out of the mouth of Goldwater. Did he get to alternate them even hot on other days or something?
[00:57:20] Unknown:
Well, I, you know, I think probably that that probably was a story that was true. The part about him, the, and I believe that the fellow told him that as a joke, they kinda probably that's the way guys do, you know? Right. Right. Of course. Yeah. And and, and they probably let him in. He could probably play all holes and all that because he was, he was very well liked. And the reason he was well liked, of course, because he was friendly to people. He was in business. But his father lost his whole fortune that he whatever he made there in Prescott because his partner absconded with the money. That's the danger of partnerships.
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Yes. It is. Yeah. I remember his campaign when I was young. I remember the atomic bomb. I'll get you oh, you gotta get rid of Chicago. Yeah. Yeah. We gotta get rid of Chicago, and Brett's gotta talk about common share.com for about a long minute. Tell this story. I'll tell it when we get back. Go ahead and do the, 4 validates. Would you, Paul?
[00:58:18] Unknown:
Go ahead, Paul. Yeah.
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Go go ahead, Brent. Talk about commonlawyer.com.
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This is Brent. Brent Allen Winters, common lawyer.com, and here we are trying to get rid of the people we don't go wanna get rid of, the people in Chicago. But You're right. That we're talking about here. Yeah. This is Brent. Brent Allen Winters, common lawyer.com. Www. Commonlawyer.com. And I'm, by the way, from down in the Wabash Valley, catty cornered across from Galesburg down that way on the other end of this state. And, commonlawyer.com. And go to the website, commonlawyer.com. You can catch us 5, 6, 7 days a week on public platforms and different places, and you can listen. And we talk about the laws of nature and the laws of nature is God. The laws of nature out of the our declaration of 76, our common law, and the laws of nature's God, the Bible. That's the definition of those two phrases according to William Blackstone in the year 17/65.
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Alright. 106.9 wboufmchicagoandradiosoapbox.com. Thank you for joining us. If you file wanna follow us into the second hour and get the rest of Roger's story, Go to the matrixstocks.com, and you can use one of the links there. Thank you. Mimicking
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another famous Chicago and Paul Harvey. Right? I remember that. I think it was the 60 when he ran against LBJ
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Goldwater? 60. 64.
[01:01:03] Unknown:
That's what I thought. 64. And he was very conservative. And, of course, the what I remember is the Democrats' response. And I think you'll remember this, Brent. Oh, I do. I do. Yeah. You know what I'm talking about already, don't you? That
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that was the little Television.
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Yeah. The little girl with the daisy picking the leaves off the daisy and the atomic bomb going off in the background. And the saying was, in your guts, you know he's nuts.
[01:01:32] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, he had advocated that time. That was this is my first meaningful experience such as trying to understand politics. My first one was I watched I watched we just got electricity where I lived, and we got a television. And dad hooked it up, and we watched the debates between Richard Nixon and, Kennedy and Jack Kennedy. Right? That was my first memory of television. And, then after that in 64, I began to understand a little bit, but I remember, Goldwater, during the campaign said that he would consider tactical nuclear weapons to end the problem in Vietnam.
And that's what they hung their hat on and destroyed him. And that's what lost him the election. No question. Yeah. And that commercial,
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that one commercial, I know people in the audience remember it, but I was really young. I think we were in Alaska then. But I've got memories all the way back to the mid fifties. Keep in mind, I was born on a 48 model. I've got memories of some of those, conventions in the fifties with, like, Adlai Stevenson and Wow. Winning against Eisenhower and some of that. Very vague, but I have memories of that actually.
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Uh-huh. Well, politics, was always to us a thing apart and my family wasn't involved in politics. All I knew about is what I heard and read, but I heard and read a lot. You couldn't help but hear. I remember, Roger, of course, you do too, where you were when Jack Kennedy was shot. Absolutely.
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Were you in school someplace? I was in, 9th grade geometry class in Anchorage. Yeah. And the teacher came in and No. They threw on the PA system, and everybody got it at the same time.
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Uh-huh. And we I was in grade school at the time, and we got it. And it, came in. And and then the talk, the talk was incessant. Never stopped people talking about it. What happened? And I, got out of school that evening and people were talking about Oswald and I heard you know, it was, it was intended. Of course the whole thing was intended to snatch our attention. That's part of the evils of politics and whoever did it, wanted to distract us with it and not on and get rid of him. No question. And, the, oh, what's his name?
I mean, my mind races and I say, oh, but Johnson, I knew who Johnson was. We called him uncle Lindy back then. Right. Right. Right. He was dangerous. And I remember, of course, I would hear commentary from men in the barbershop. Remember how only men went to barbershops?
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Correct.
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Yeah. And, of course, no women went there, and we'd sit in there. I listened to the old men talk in the barbershop.
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Yep.
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And I had to wait a half hour, an hour and a half. You know, there's always a long line. We only had 1 barbershop in town.
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It's called job security.
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Yeah. We had a barber. His name was, James. The last name was James, and, he had a wooden leg. And the reason he had a wooden leg, I couldn't understand as I get older. How could a guy stand on a wooden leg all day like that every day? But he did did a good job too. But when he was 18 years old, he got shipped to France. They put him in a he told me the story himself. When I I got older, we'd I'd talked to him, you know, and he was older and put him in a dually truck with a bunch of other kids with rifles. And the guy driving the dually truck drove this drove up this road wherever it was where the battle of the bulge was. And he said, get your carcasses out of here. I'm out of here. He wanted out of there, the truck driver. Yeah. Absolutely. He said he jumped out of the back of the truck. There was an explosion.
And when he woke up, his leg was mangled. He said that they shipped me out of there, and that was my own experience in World War 2. Oh my goodness gracious. His leg off. That's that's the ugliness of war. Uh-huh. But everybody in town liked him just because he was he he knew how to act. He was quiet. He made he listened to the political talk, but he never I noticed he never, never participated in it because if he would have see, he would have heard his business. Yes. Yeah. And he was always kind, but I listened to men talk and LBJ. Here's what LBJ wanted to do. Number 1, LBJ hated people that weren't white. I mean, he hated them. I have a recording of some place. What's that?
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And that's very unusual because he was very close to Billy Soule Estes, and his grandson made a point of talking about how good Billy Soule Estes was to the black community. And when he died, they were overwhelmingly numbers of blacks at his funeral. And yet he was so tight with Johnson, who for, you know, for what you're saying was very, very discriminating.
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Well, Johnson got what he wanted. He got the affection of the of folks that were black. Sure. And he's I've got a recording on a hard drive somewhere. Uh-huh. Because I I got it before they took it down. It was LBJ on the telephone talking, yeah, talking to the head of the democratic machine. And he said, if we get these and he used the n word Yes. He did. He's, vote he voting democratic. He said, we'll get him voting democratic with this, what they call the new society. Yes. The great no. The great he said. What? The great society. Well yeah. And he did get what he what he was after politically. All he has to do is give that's what politics is. That's all politics is. It ain't nothing else. You give people money and benefits, and they vote for you. That's it. Yep. Hope they can say in that West Texas accent,
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the great society
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draw it out. You know? And then he'd get up and and on the TV or in front of Congress say, my fellow Americans. Right. Boy, my, my, my parents and the people at home that they just want to throw up. I was down. I was down at my granddad's house back when Lindy was president, we called him uncle Lindy. And we were sitting down the bottom where dad grew up, my granddad, and that's where my grandma and grandpa lived. And and we were sitting around the table, and I I would about I don't know how old I was. I was a young teenager, I think, and I heard my my father or my granddad say to my dad, and my grandma was sitting there, and I was sitting there. Dad was sitting there. Grandma always had a checker cloth table on the on the table.
And, that's the thing that pops into my head when I think about going down the bottom. Well, my granddad said to my dad junior, because he was named after my dad. So until grandpa died, everybody called my dad junior. He didn't like it, but that's what they called him. You know? And he said junior, if we do this, there'll be control in everything we do. And, I said, I said, dad, what's he mean? What grandpa mean? What's he talking about? And he said, well, you just shut up and listen. Oh, he didn't say that dad never said shut up. He said, you shut your tater trap. That's the way dad said it. You shut your tater trap and listen, and you'll figure it out. And so, I'm, I've tried to do that ever since, but I, my mother used to say, Brent, whatever you do, don't be entering a room mouth first. 1st. Right. Right.
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Right. I think I well, this isn't on LBJ. It's on Roosevelt, but I think I told you his name came up a couple of weeks ago, Harvey. Harvey's cousin, Chris Yeah. Is a spitting image of the Marlboro man. Okay? I mean, that mustache and everything. Okay? Uh-huh. And very kind of soft spoken and deliberate. And so after one of the Patriot meetings one night, we're sitting over at the Waffle House having coffee and talking as was as was our habit. And, Roosevelt came up, and Chris just kinda in that drawl, he said, the whole time I was coming up, I thought Roosevelt's first name was Dan.
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Yeah. Well, that's the way my my great granddad, his on his cane, he had carved on his cane that this stick is for beating new deal Democrats. That's how much they were hated, but, but they had more power. No, no, nonetheless. And we are living now. We are living now in that world that we are created. Yes. I'm not, dad always said, we'll never see the end of it. He said that we're you're you'll suffer. Your children will, will suffer. Well, anyhow, I was getting back to the grandpa saying, if we do this, they'll control everything we do. Well, what it was, the new deal or the new deal, what they call it, you said the great system. The raw deal. The there's 3, the new deal, the raw deal, or the Jew deal. Pay, take your pick. Well, what, what uncle Lindy said was, if you farmers out here will sign your ground up and not farm it, that will raise the prices of agricultural products. And, you can get paid for not farming your ground. All you gotta do is go down to the County. And they, of course, Roosevelt had, that was the way Roosevelt got into every County of federal control in every County in the United States was by putting an ASCS office in every county under the department of agriculture and people think, oh, that was to help the farmer. No, no, no, no. That's from where all welfare was distributed food stamps.
We had a little town, a little town we had there, you know, that Roger, this machine you've seen these things we used to have where you could put quarters tubes, you'd put quarters and dimes and nickels in, and it'd say $10 of quarters or whatever.
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Sure. A little paper, paper, a flat things. You open them up and,
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roll up your coin. The guy that invented those lived in this little town of about 1200 people or just north of moonshine where we lived. And he, he, he built a machine that would, that would, he made them. Then he put them on a giant roll and he built a machine that this thing would spin and a knife would come around and cut them off at the right, the right place. So you'd have all these tapes. And he got, he got a contract with the federal government also to print food stamps. And he had contracts get this, this out in the middle of nowhere, back in the Midwest, he had contracts with casinos in, in loss, in Las Vegas and places in Nevada to provide those, those tubes to them for boys. Then he got a contract with the federal government to produce food stamps, a little printing place, and a guy made a fortune. Well I'm sure he did. He put he put those ASCS offices in each county, not for the purposes of helping the farmer.
Oh, they they acted like they did that, and they had these things you could sign up for, like signing up, not farming your ground, and that destroyed agriculture because what it did was and people do that now. There's not a farmer of any means in America. In my part of the world, you can go to the Internet now and look it up. Every person that's getting money from the federal government for not farming their land. And I remember when I was running for office, I was all for the farmer, you know. And I talk about the prices of corn and beans and wheat and hog bellies and all that, and I tried to keep up with that stuff. And and the people in the cities where they were towns, there was a big town there.
People, well, ADM was around there where I was running that. And the people were very unionized and they hated farmers. And I couldn't understand why they hated farmers. Well, the reason they hated farmers because farmers are some of the largest welfare recipients in the United States. And they're the ones that are complaining about welfare. See that. And when I was in politics, the farmers were complaining about these no loads. Well, it just depends upon, what kind of welfare you're getting and the evil empire and the useful idiots of the evil empire and the evil one himself want us all on some kind of FFA federal financial assistance, because once they have us on FFA, everything from social security to whatever, no matter what you say and how conservative you act, you you don't wanna give that up. And there's not a farmer that I could see hardly back home that wasn't getting upwards. I'm talking about, not large farmers, not small farmers, just medium farmers making a living, getting in the neighborhood of $1,000,000 a year to do nothing.
$1,000,000 a year. Well, that destroys destroys everything. Once the government gets involved yeah. Roger, go ahead. I was gonna say it distorts.
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And I also wanted to say your definition of the distributor of wealth
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is Satan. Go ahead. No. That's good. No. I'm gonna can that one and use it distort. That's a better word because that's related to the word, of course, tort, and it's related to the word torque, and print, which means to twist things so they're out of whack and they don't work anymore. And that's what they've done. We had a fellow at home. Oh, he thought he was big deal. They called him the groundhog, Roger, the groundhog, because he used to say it. Look. I'm not greedy. I just want the land that joins mine, you know, and he Yeah. But now he owns, but nearly the whole county, him and another fella that got a lot of money, and they don't even care to pay for land. Somebody's gonna say something. Go ahead. Got something to inject here, Paul.
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Yeah. It it was sheer brilliance that that barber that would not talk about anything political because it would alienate some of his customers. That never happens in Britain, particularly these days. And because they've got Keir Starmer, the farmer harmer. And, he's universally hated by everybody and and enjoyed because every time he opens his mouth, it's comedic gold. I don't know. I wonder if Paul might have something to say about that. But I mean, everything you're talking about is is just like well within that those lines. And Paul did join us
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in this I'm not far away. As well? Well, there's well, look who's here. Joe too. Paul is with us, and he's gone now? What, Paul?
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No. I'm still here. Hey, you rascal.
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Happy New Year.
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Oh, yeah. Happy New Year to to you lot. There we go. I hope you I should imagine you're almost as happy over there as we are over here. We're all very happy over here. We'll find out in a couple of days. Yeah. Oh oh, yeah. It'll be what is it? Is it on a Monday? Monday takes place. 1 night 1, I think. 1 EST, I believe. No. It's gonna be miserable Monday, isn't it, really? Sorry.
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I don't know. Some of your conservative Brits wanted to come over, and, they're they're they messed with their visas. I don't know if they made it or not.
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Well, I don't know whether that's a blessing in disguise, frankly. I'm sorry. I'm so cynical. I'm I'm gone, Rene. I'm just Yeah. Yeah. You know, I don't look to the political sphere for any solutions at all. I really never have, and now I just look for them for more problems masquerading. It's like watching a football game, Paul. Come on.
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What what's that? What's a football game? Oh, yeah. I remember that. Right. Okay. Yeah. Well, what a pleasure to have you. We keep telling Paul to invite you and get you over here. And, there's probably a number of folks on the forum here that don't know you and and never heard you before because we got some new folks. So this is our mentor. This is daddy right here for us. I do think so. I'm quite young, you know. I'm younger than all of you. Well, it's just a sacrifice from getting, I I don't mean to steal your story here, but, abbreviate it possibly. You were in the middle of one of these fights of over a dwelling, and it seems that every person you ran into was from a specific ethnic, group. And you finally got the idea, and you started wanting to do something motivated and took quite a while out of your life to find all this software that allows us to do this the way we do it, freeware. So thank you, Paul. This is Paul English, some of the new folks.
He's a really important guy in our world, and we're always glad to have him.
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Well, it's always good to be here. I I tend to not want to butt in. I I do sort float by sometimes on a Friday. But you're so immersed in talking about things. And I just get drawn into acting as a listener, so I just stay shmum, you know. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. So that's kinda what's going on. But, yeah. It's all fun and games here this year. And, of course, we're not getting a new president on Monday. But we sure would like to get rid of the existing prime minister on Monday. That would be great. That would make it a good day. Maybe someone can finally just, you know, relieve us of the stress. Point I was trying to miss for a short one.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Well, aren't you weren't you from Yorkshire?
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Yorkshire? I still am, actually. I think I will be for my entire life. Well, some of the clips ever gonna change. But yeah. Well, some of the clips I've seen are saying these one of the big grooming gangs is in West Yorkshire. I think, well, I think that's where Paul's from. So That's right. Well, the biggest ones will be there because they, they ported all the Muslims into Yorkshire first to destroy Bradford
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I see. Which is,
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so yeah. If you a bit like, you know, I think I've mentioned before, in my this is just a sort of layman's take on it, but I've always had the view that Texas is a very distinct state within the all all of your states. You know, Texans well, Yorkshire is exactly occupies a similar role. Okay. And, in in English culture, it does. And, so because the culture in Yorkshire was pretty strong, I don't mean to say it was necessarily all good, but it was and cohesive. They broke it up by, in the sixties late sixties and early seventies, just, sending lots of Muslims into Bradford, which is about 3 or 4 miles, 6 miles south of Leeds. They're they almost merged together now into a big sort of metropolitan area.
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Wasn't it specifically Pakistanis? Yeah. 1 ethnic
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Islam group. That's right. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. They're fine people, apparently, according to someone, but not me. So, yeah. They, and, this unfortunately, these sick events have been going on for decades. This is nothing new.
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Yes. Protect them. This guy, Starmer, is the one that was protecting it all that time. Wasn't he a judge or something?
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Yep. Yeah. He's been part of it. He's not the only one. There's just a lot you know, they hand the baton of, traitorous leadership down the line. It's been going on for decades. Yes. And, it's just matured and matured and matured. It's just it's a very sick situation, far worse than the news, of course, or even reporting it. I don't even mean in terms of the numbers, although they are horrific. But, and in terms of there literally being no concern whatsoever for the victims, they can't do that from their point of view, obviously, because they opened up a can of worms, which they won't recover from. So, you know, we're talk we've mentioned this. Obviously, you'll mention it here. I still maintain the great power of the media is what they omit. It's not even the lies that they suggest. It's the truths that they won't display. And this is a case in point very much. And, so it's been yeah. It's a it's a rotten foul. You know, I'm gonna run out of adjectives to describe it, but it's disgusting. And and last week, I think it was a week ago, they, had a vote. You know, these meaningful votes that they have in the houses of commons. And 364 MPs decided to not have an inquiry into this, of which my local MP I'm saying mine. I don't want her. She's not mine at all. I didn't vote for her or anything. But the the one that's here I mean, I just want them sort of taken out to the tip and just disposed of. They're a menace, these people. But, she she said she voted for that too. Now that's 364 people waging war on the British.
That's the way I phrase it. They're they're literally waging war on the indigenous people of these islands. Yep. And that that happened on Wednesday and there hasn't been a squeak out of the media about it since. It's just down the memory hole. And we've got some other thing to be dramatically distracted by, but, it's a major thing.
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I I keep having I mentioned it to Paul, and he's always so busy. I know he comes over there and helps y'all out on Thursdays, but how exactly did you and Eli cross paths?
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It well, I I think I chased him up at the time. It would be about 12 years ago when I first made connection with him, about 2012. Oh. It's further 13 years now, isn't it? Good grief. It is. It would be round about that period. I was just ploughing through loads of books on banking,
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as you do, you know, for fun and leisure and all that kind of stuff. And,
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you don't you don't have to do too much of that before you bump into biblical laws about honest money. And, so I couldn't get away from that because many of the, you know, the whole history of it from Babylon to this day, of course, encompasses that that time period. Yep. So it was, impossible to avoid, thankfully. So, bizarrely, I got brought to looking at the Bible, because I was looking at banking. It's an odd route, maybe. I don't know. Maybe other people have taken it. That's what I wanted to get there.
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Uh-huh.
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Wow. I just wanted to know how they did it in the past, and why is it not working now. And, of course, I was droning on about it last night. I'm even I'm even exhausted with myself banging on about it all the time. So I've gotta give it a break. Well, you sort of stew in your own juices, don't you? You go a bit stale. It's really, really awkward when it's going on. But, you know, there's just a long line of historical failures around getting the bank sorted out and getting it kicked in the nudges. And that's really you know, I've still maintained that we have to do that before we have to do anything else. There are other much more dramatic things, terrible things taking place, but they're able to persist
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all the time because the the bank's not being sorted out. It's as simple as that. I think Brent, did you say here one day that that's one of the eternal struggles is the banker overcoming the bankers?
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Well, let me quote let me quote a a an an Englishman since we have one here. Oh, by the way, I wanted to mention quickly, and this is just a side that you were talking about, Bradford, so I got on the map. Yeah. I like I like geography. And, you know, I never noticed, but anything north of Bradford and Leeds and York well, anything north there's just not much up there, is there, north of those places?
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No. Not as much. No. There's Northumberland, and you've got Newcastle, which was a big industrial place and, pretty strong at one point. So, but those are they're kinda like the last big
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enclaves of of Englishmen before you get to Scotland. Yeah. It looks like it's just up there is what it looks like. I'm looking at the satellite map. But, well, the geography, but I see that. I've never noticed it before, and it's a long way to the Scottish border, and there's just nothing there much. But an enclave, as you said, at Middlesborough, right, yeah, on Darlington. Well Yeah. About usury. Of course, my mind gets to I've gotten down in that rabbit hole and kicking around and biblically, like like Paul is saying, and try to get to the bottom line. And to quote the Englishman, his name was, Acton.
I believe he's Acton. Lord they call him Lord Acton, but it was, Dalberg Emerick Acton.
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And he said That's a good name for you.
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Yeah. That's a good one. All of his answers. Yeah. Yeah. But he he but a consummate historian, a Romanist, by the way, but a very conservative Romanist. He's the one that said power corrupts and absolute power corrupts. But, anyway, getting back to the banking part of it, he said sooner or later I think I'm quoting almost exactly. Sooner or later, the issue between the people and the banks will have to be settled.
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And they never The issue that's come down through the ages, he said. Something like that. That's good. Yeah. You've got it more precise.
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Right. Yeah. The issue that's come down through the ages, sooner or later, will have to be settled. And it hasn't been settled. And when I think this is my take on the calculus of what I brought into my mind over the years. When you say that the the the MPs and and the press won't say anything about it, about what they're doing. Mhmm. This is all about usury. This is not about anything else, and there's no accident that in the Bible, that is fundamental. And if you have user usury is a tool of warfare. That we're yeah. We're and this is the biblical point of view. I'm trying to well, I understand about it. If you disagree, tell me, but it's a tool of warfare and we're to use it on our enemies. We are to be that's why the Bible says we are to be the head and not the tail.
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That's right. Yeah. Well, go ahead, Paul. I I like to take a break. I'd call you back. Touched on so many. You've sparked me off on so many different things there, but, you're absolutely spot on. The, we were talking about it last night, really. We were actually talking about as well as a modern example of something very, a very strong banking structure is in North Dakota. Yes.
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It's been there almost a 100 years or more.
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If every state in America ran its bank like the Bank of North Dakota I'm just giggling because you know that will happen. Right? Yep. I mean, it might do. It's just gonna require some massive sort of emotional and spiritual regeneration on a huge level. But, you'd be sorted out in a matter of months, probably. I mean, it it's, Ellen Browner wrote a book called The Web of Debt, I think, which is all about the Federal Reserve. There's a lot of these books and, you know, I'm not recommending anyone over any other. Just, you know, if you're interested, you will have already read some and so on. But she's just written an article about it, and it's very sort of scholarly and precise and useful because it got data in there. But the the whole the thing I've been banging on about recently over the last couple of years is, and this is equally applicable, obviously, to people in America, is you are, an American national.
You are of the nation of America. I'm English. I'm of the nation of England. Not that it seems to count for much these days, but I am. And all the people I live with, the ones that I relate to anyway, I don't relate to the, the aliens that are currently here. We don't own the bank. And this is the bit that strikes me as the simplest way to get the point across. I'm looking for the shortest sentences to try and set people on fire, but it's really difficult around money. It's because it's I think there's so much emotional baggage that people have, understandably, about finance. Because whenever you bring it up, the first thing that arises in them, understandably, is I've never had enough. I haven't got enough money. There's always too many bills, and don't remind me of this because my entire life is spent firefighting dealing with the bills. And this goes for the vast majority of us. Yep. And yet so therefore, none of them have been taught about it. None of them understand the biblical roots of it, which are very simple and direct as well, and what the solution is. And the Bank of North Dakota is right on the line of the solution. It might not be completely perfect, but is it?
Right now, existing today, in North Dakota, a state that's as big as England, I understand from its square mileage, possibly even bigger. We're a tiny little place here. And there's only 800,000 people live there. Mhmm. And it works. And they are more profitable than any commercial bank. They don't get involved in derivatives or speculative gambling. This is another thing. Stock exchanges and all this stuff need shutting down in their current form. They're just looting the people's pockets by everybody out gambling. That's all it is Yep. For exchange. All this stuff is just gambling. It's nonsense. And it's the same spiritual decay as Christ confronted with the money changers.
And, I've got a book here, Brent, which you may not have heard of on my shelf called and forgive them their debts by, a living American economist called Michael Hudson, who's quite brilliant. He's and, he's on with,
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with our Bitcoin guy, Max Keiser, all the time.
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Yep. He's great. He's really good. Well, this book is fantastic. And and, Brent, I think you would get a lot out of it because the cover is of Christ whipping, The Money Changers. That was the image I used for the show yesterday because it's just been sort of running around in my head the last few days. Uh-huh. And the opening sort of 15, 20 pages are quite marvelous because it's about getting the point across fast or laying out the context. So he's talking about the year of the jubilee. But with regards to Christ's mission, what he's saying and just sort of it's not as if he's been adamant about this, but a way to think of it is, it's not and forgive them their sins. It's forgive them their debts.
Why? Because if you don't, it literally destroys your civilization. Yes. Absolutely will destroy it. And so the fur and then he talks about the first two things that he did, and you would know better than me. But because the second thing was a bit of a surprise to me when I was going through it. So the first thing, this first public act is to whip money changers and to turn the tables on them, because he's turning his father's house they're turning his father's house into the house of mammon, the worshipping of money. That's basically what's going on. This is me elaborating a bit. Right? That's the way I tend to see it. The second thing he did they drag him off, don't they? And they say, you've gotta go and tell us something in a synagogue, which is an Israelite thing and not a Jewish thing. Right? This is this is so he goes into an Israelite synagogue, and I think he reads something from Isaiah. I can't tell you exactly what it is. But part of the speech is what he's really doing is communicating to the audience about this forgiveness of debt, and they don't take kindly to it. In fact, they try to throw him off a cliff.
I thought this is a bit of an opening to your public ministry. So first, you're whipping someone. The next thing, they're trying to throw you off a cliff. Because one of the things that Hudson is kind of laying out, and it's not the entire thing I know, But as a core partner, I'd never thought of it in this way, is that Christ was attacking the money power of the day. And he what? And and I sort of fell in love with him even more. When I when I read this, I went, bingo. This is like a bridging paragraph or an opening that I really needed to read. Me, personally, might not mean much to others, but to me, it meant a huge amount. And I and when you look at the history of of jubilees, debt forgiveness, and why they had to take place, We haven't had one in the world for a long time, and we I'm gonna suggest we need one. Of course, people fall about laughing and go, and rightly so, they go, wait. You can't do it these days. I don't see why not. I'd do it if I was prime minister. Of course, I'd be dead that afternoon.
But, you know, that's what we're kinda dealing with. I've also mentioned there's another little hint that's come out in the public space recently. We had a prime minister over here about a year and a half, 2 years ago, Liz Truss. She was a bit Oh, yeah. Walkie as a communicator. Very short lived. Very short lived. Yeah. Very 47 days. Okay. The shortest tenure of any prime minister ever. The queen died on her watch. That's not why they got rid of her. They got rid of her because she had a budget lined up that the Office of Budgetary Restraint didn't like, and neither did the Bank of England. And there's 2 things that she's done. 1 was she was on the Steve Bannon radio show this time last year. I think it was January 2024.
Right. And he was saying to her, what was it like, Liz? You know, just a bit. And she said, well, you know, Steve, I got in there and I wanted to change thing. And he went like Churchill, at which point I nearly sort of, you know, lost my smarties and I just threw up. No no steam. Never quote Churchill. If you're trying to trying to create a positive image, don't do that. But, of course, you know, these people don't know. And she said, that they'd come up with a budget. And what she found out was that she couldn't get it through. And she said to him so what I've also found, she said, is that in in the British democracy, the prime minister can be sacked, but the governor of the Bank of England cannot.
Therefore, she logically said, the governor of the Bank of England has more power than the prime minister. And I went, bing. It's the most truthful thing I've ever heard from anybody high up in politics in my entire life here in this no one's ever even touches upon it. So she did that about a year ago. I just heard something else with her the other day talking to someone else where she said that metaphorically she had a gun put to her head. That was her own words around this. She said there's an issue that we can't go into. Well, it's this. Yeah. It's this. I I believe it's this. The private ownership of central banking systems guarantees our permanent ruin in all other endeavors.
It's got to be sorted out. Yep. It just has to be because, you know, we are working away, honourable, good people, trying to use what brains we've got and and our hearts in the right place to bring good things about. And we have to do that because we you know, because you have to, if you're compelled to do it. And it's a great thing. However, the other side are always getting paid at the end of the month. And that money thing has literally chewed up. You everybody's beginning to see that here in Britain, the entire power system is completely gone.
We don't have a police force. There is a police force, but the people don't have it. No. It's under the control of something else. We have a political class, but it doesn't represent the people. Everybody's seeing it now with these sick evil things coming out and the fact that they just cover their backsides. Mhmm. So there's a bit of a smoldering fire. People my job and people like me is to get some we need to turn it into an LA, metaphorically speaking. We need a thing I need a thing burning down. Absolutely. And people have got to get on fire. So Well, it can't be reformed, I don't believe, Paul.
[01:35:51] Unknown:
And they don't want to be you can't start reforming it without exposing them, and that's what they fear more than anything else.
[01:35:59] Unknown:
Yeah. It's like inviting the, the jailers to redesign the prison, so it's a lot nicer. They're not going to do that. Yeah. They're just not gonna do it. So and we can't communicate with them at all, no matter what appearances they put out. But, yeah, the whole I mean, the the that history of we were talking about it yesterday. The, there's this great book, The History of Central Banking by Stephen Goodson. He was the South guy from the South African Central Bank. And one of the really good stories in there about many individuals that have fought the money power was of Caesar.
And, when Caesar returned to Rome after out there chinning everybody for a x 5 4 or 5 years and just basically securing the borders, particularly in Gaul or whatever he was doing. And he came back to Rome. There are a 150,000 people sleeping in the streets. And he was not happy. He was very unhappy about this. And, so he was planning to effectively usher in, a year of jubilee. And, that's why he got killed because the creditor patrician class said, no. We're not having that. We're owed all this money. We want it for it's this. And and the history of this thing that Hudson's addressing, like with Hammurabi and all the Babylonian period, they used to forgive the debts. And the reason they have to do that and it's the same now. The form's different. But the essence is, I think, is exactly the same.
But it's much more easy to understand in the past. Most of the men are working on the land. They owed money to people who, if they weren't able to pay, they would lose their land. Once they'd lost their land, they're then sleeping on the streets of Rome, as it were. But even worse for the king, he can't raise an army to defend the borders of the nation. Can't do it because those so he had to. And they were what Hudson points out is that every time a new king would come in, we're talking 3000 years ago. Right? But when a a new king would come in, they nearly always had a year of jubilee to revitalize the economy. And and that's exactly what it does. It refreshes it. It's like getting rid of a dirty cold that shouldn't even be there anywhere. And the whole thing spins up really quick, and you start to get prosperity again because you've removed you've removed the usury break, the creditors' class, and all that. And so nothing new under the sun, unfortunately, but there we go.
[01:38:22] Unknown:
What Paul has brought us before, which I I know some of you haven't heard is and I had not at the time. We you've told it a couple of times was the European, the Austria story of the country, which started promoting paper, but they were discounting it as it was circulating and what it did to the economy. You wanna tell that story?
[01:38:44] Unknown:
Sure. Yeah. I can run through that quickly. It's a wonderful tale. I mean, it's one of these there are there are actually many of these sorts of tales, most of them, of course, not known, which show what happens when we get the banking or the monetary thing set right or even just a few steps in the right direction. The results are amazing. But, of course, no one even knows that these results are possible because they don't understand what usury is. And this includes the entire political class. They haven't a clue. No. They haven't got a clue at all about the number one tool that they could use for positive reason. They don't know. They don't even know what it is.
That's how deranged it is. But, yeah, it was a little town called Virgil, w o r g l, in Austria. This is about 1931, 32 after the Wall Street crash, and they were ruined just like everybody else was. And, small town, it's there to this day, but he had about the mayor who is referred to as the mayor with the very long name, although his actual name is Unter Guggenberger. That was his name. It's a good name, isn't it? Mayor Unter Guggenberger. And, he had studied the economic theories of a guy called Silvio Gesell, a German who had become very big in beef farming in Argentina. He had these huge sort of cow things going on, massive. And, he had a lot of time on his hands. He got his business running really well. So he used to sit around, noodling on, economics.
And Gessel's observation was that money has, a serious advantage in exchange that the seller doesn't have. For example, and this is what I'm pulling out. I've mentioned before, if you are a seller of eggs, your products, the egg, the chicken's egg, I I don't know how long it remains an egg, but it's x number of weeks. After that, it's inedible because it's gonna go rotten. So and this is true of all things, although not as true, say, of a Heidelberg press, which might last 500 years or whatever, but you get the idea that basically stuff is always wearing out and requires maintenance. Depreciation. Yeah. It just does. The universe everything in the universe without maintenance goes to decay or goes to a sort of looser state where it's of less use to us. So that's kind of the role that we fulfill to a great degree. Anyway, he, he said, you know, if you're selling eggs and someone comes along to buy them, they can hold out knowing and you have to keep dropping your price because there's a day coming up when those eggs are no longer eggs and you got nothing.
So, he suggested he said, what we need is money that works like eggs that go rotten. In other words, the money is gonna depreciate in purchasing power, compelling the holders of money to get on with it, is what it does. There's all sorts of other sort of, secondary and tertiary advantages to this. So this guy, Unter Guggenberger I've been very simplistic in the way I'm describing it, but Unter Guggenberger said, oh, I think we'll we'll do that. And he needed some what did he need? I think he needed a sewer laying or something like that. Something a bit messy. And he had about a 150 families on a soup kitchen and everything. So he took 14,000 Austrian shillings of his own money and he put it in a a vault in the mayor's office and turned it into sort of the Vurgal bank. And then what he did was he issued 14,000 shillings worth of local scrip, called Virgil shillings, I guess, or something like that. I've got pictures of the notes somewhere.
But what he did was on the back, he put 50 squares on the back. And every by Saturday lunchtime, if you were a holder of one of these notes, you had to go down the post office and buy, I think it was a quarter cent stamp, a quarter of a penny, and stick it on. So at the end of the year, you'd have put 50 of these things on, which is what? 12 and a half percent depreciation. And if you didn't have the stamp on, people wouldn't accept it. Because it meant they had to go and put more stamps on. So blah blah blah blah blah. Anyway, he gets these workmen into his office who are doing nothing. He said, look, I need these sewers doing. You can do it. But I'm gonna pay you with these. Nicole Zio went, what's that? I should imagine. I should imagine. It was a lot of fun. I'd like to be there at the meeting.
And, anyway, he convinced them in the end that it was the best way to do it. So they cracked on with it. And, they got these sewers laid very quickly, and the money began to move through that, little town very quickly because when people received the note, they didn't want to put the stamp on it. You human can't be bothered. I don't want to do that. Also, I better get on with it quick because I gotta find money for the stamp. So it began to speed up, and people began to plan their sort of economic consumption well ahead of time. So it led to us all sorts of other benefits which couldn't have initially been anticipated. For example, they they prepaid their local taxes 2 years in advance, the first and only time this has ever happened.
Because once they got right? They just said, I don't want this money. I've got to stick a stab here. Quick. I'm gonna pay off my debt to the local council or whatever it was. And the it just picked up. So all of the unemployment in the town disappeared after 6 months. They're all fully employed. Absolutely on firing on all cylinders. They built a bridge which is still there to this day. And it's got this little plaque and it says, we the people of Virgil built this bridge with their own money. There was a mayor down the valley which is, I think he says, about 90 miles away. So it's a big valley. But, and he finds out about this, comes up, I guess, has some snaps with Gunther Guggenberger and says, this is jolly good. Could we do it? He said, I don't see why not. He said, better. Yeah. If you do it, maybe we could trade up and down the valley and we'll he says, cool. So they crack them with exactly the same result.
And then a few months later or a year later, they call onto Guggenberger to Vienna for a meeting with all the leaders of the cantons or the districts. There's about 350 of them, I believe. Something like that. I love these. They all rock up for the PowerPoint presentation of the day. I'm assuming probably, you know, chalk and a blackboard or whatever they use at the time. And, Unteroguggan Bogoli's called her to give a presentation of how come Virgil's got out of the doo doo faster than anybody else? And he shows them. And, they all agreed to do it. They're all gonna put it in action immediately. They say, well, why would we not do this? Of course. Why would you not do it? Because you're using your own money.
Of course, we then have the usury class stepping in to shoot it down. And the way they shot it down is they simply approached the Austrian government and said, you're not doing this because if you do it, we're gonna crash the Austrian shilling on the world exchanges, and your whole nation will go down. So they couldn't do it. Tada. That's a good one. So the solution exists, but the bad guys exist to keep scuppering the solution. And they've got to be literally, not just metaphorically, taken out. They've gotta be taken out. If you heard that yeah.
[01:45:59] Unknown:
Yes. I agree with you a 100%. Brent, had you heard that before?
[01:46:04] Unknown:
No. I hadn't heard that story, and I that's very illustrative and that it illustrates the point that I understand better now. Other things I've heard in the past from, folk that study these matters, one fellow I used to have on from Michigan is a blueberry farmer, and his name is, Randy. I need to get him on again. I need to get him on here. But he he starts out his presentation. He travels around the universities and try to teach young folk. He says, all wealth all wealth, true wealth, either rots or rust. Now Paul see made, reference to that when he said that everything breaks down. I'm thinking, oh, somebody told me that's called the second law of thermodynamics.
Everything left to itself disintegrates. Well, if it doesn't rust or rot, it's not well. So what do you got? Well, you got all metals, including gold. I've had people tell me gold doesn't rust. Well, that's not true. It's like everything else that oxidizes. Rotting is the oxidation of living material or carbons, and rusting is the oxidation of metals. And, of course, burning is oxidation, wood, paper, gasoline, combustions, explosions like gunpowder. That's all oxidation. And if it's true wealth, it will oxidize. Well, that means if it will oxidize, it will disintegrate like Paul is saying. If it's gonna disintegrate, then it's important that we have a flow. All true wealth has a flow of new wealth. That's why, of course, they say you can take 2 goats and put them together, a male and female come back next year, and you'll have anywhere from 1 to 3 more. Well, you put 2 pieces of gold together. You can't do that. That's true. But there is we're talking about North Dakota and the banking.
The largest oil reserve ever discovered in the history of mankind was recently discovered in North Dakota and stretched up into Canada. Oil has a way of keep it keeps creeping in, and people produce oil know that it just keeps creeping in the in the, the rock through which it migrates. Where does it come from? Nobody knows. Nobody. Gold is that way too. I just read the other day, that only just the other day. And I'd read this 30 years ago, but they're still saying it, 94 5% of the recoverable gold in the lower 48 states has yet to be recovered. And we've had the largest production of gold in the history of our country out of the Carlin trip in Nevada in the last 30 years or more. And nobody's ever even heard about it. Most people I say nobody. That's an exaggeration.
A few people have, but used to be when there was a gold strike, people knew it. Well, now that brings me to this other illustration. I love these illustrative stories as he told and I, and I, by the way, Paul, you, your accent throws me a little. I learned 2 new things here. 1, there's a word called stummed, s t u m m e d. Yeah. Well, you said that and you said it fast and I said what what what I think the context demanded that you were being dumb in other words in the sense of not speaking, you're holding your peace. Well, I looked it up, and, yes, there is such a word, but we don't apparently use it here. I've never heard it before, but it's a good word, and I wanna you got it. It's short, sweet, hard hitting. I wanna use it. The other thing that you mentioned was this fella named Michael, and I heard you say it several times. Was it Hudson with an h as in Yeah. Oh, okay. That's right. Michael Michael Hudson. He's very well noted. He's been writing economics books for decades.
[01:49:32] Unknown:
Well,
[01:49:33] Unknown:
so Yeah. If you like it, I think I'll I better get it. But I wanted to tell the story, another one that illustrates, and it comes right down hard on this thing about true wealth must be re it their true wealth has a flow. I've talked to bankers, by the way, on setting on bank boards. And they send the Federal Reserve, of course, controls all the banks because of the jurisdiction with, Franklin Roosevelt's insurance scheme. But they send them you get on the board because you're a big investor. You've got a lot of money you put in the bank. They get on the board and they send them to these seminars to learn about how to how to think about who you're gonna loan money to.
Number 1, by the way, they teach according to this fellow that told me this, that he was a man of means that went to one of these meetings. Number 1, we're not worried about how much the guy that wants to borrow money, how much he has. We're not worried about that. What we want to know is does he have a cashflow? And we're not as really concerned about how big it is. Really. We just want to know if he has a flow. Well, I can get that. I know in my life, if I think I've got a flow of cash, I feel different than if I got a pile of money and don't have any flow. There's a different it's it has to flow. God's made us to look at it that way. There hasn't be constant production. Well, so this fella in New Zealand, he's an immigrant there in the early days before there were any businesses or banks or buildings, and they were just getting started.
And, of course, there are a lot of shipwrecks, and there's a whole body of common law that covers shipwrecks and who gets what's in a shipwreck depending upon who finds it, etcetera. Well, there were a lot, and one of the ships that were bringing goods from the mother country to New Zealand wrecked, and, somebody recovered a whole lot of cans of sardines out of this wreck. I mean, thousands of them. And, whoever got ahold of him, he somehow got the natives to help him build a warehouse, and they put the sardines in the warehouse. And he didn't have any banks, didn't have any money. See, there, they didn't have anything, so he started issuing script.
He got ahold of some paper and started issuing script on these sardines. And 1 fellow bought some script, and he went out and tried to make it. Then he went down on his luck after a while, and he was starving and, wandering around looking for something to eat. And he went back to the warehouse. He said, well, shucks. I got this script. I'll I'll cash it in and eat them sardines. So he went inside and told the fellow he was running the bank, see what he was doing, really. Yep. Yeah. He didn't have any gold or silver paper money. Just had these sardines and probably a few other things by that time. He turned his script in. He gets, some sardines because he's starving.
He goes outside the warehouse and sits down along the wall, leans it up against it, and gets out his knife and pries the thing open. And, the smell that hit him in the face about knocked him over backwards, like a buzzard off a manure wagon. And he went back in. He said, I want my script back. He said, why? He said, well, I opened the skirt sardines and they're rotten. I can't eat them. They're no good. And the fellow that ran the warehouse said, well, you're being stupid. He said, them, them are not, them are not eating sardines. Them are them are trading sardines.
And that's the way the bankers want us to look at money. Now it's not even something like sardines. It's just something worthless on a computer printout someplace or in a computer or an idea. And they want us to think that that's what paper money is too, by the way. It's just saying that there is some value there when there isn't. It's an illusory promise. Well, this fella this fella found out here's another story I I like to tell along with that. And I'd of course, if you have comments, we're about out of time. I'll try to do it quick. I wanna hear what anybody says, including Paul or or Roger, foremost, but it's about their Adirondack mountains in New England. Mhmm. And, there was no money there in the early days, and they used what the engines used, which was wampum wampum.
And wampum was seashells, and 2 black seashells equaled 1 white seashell. And, of course, the Indian tribe, the Delaware and the Mohawk and all them up in there, they'd make, they'd make, wampum belts, which were very valuable out of seashells. Of course, they didn't live on the ocean, but the seashells found their ways to the Adirondack Mountains up there. And then the fur trade was big, and people were trapping Otter, Coon, muskrat, beaver, and selling it. And the wampum, which 2 there were only 2 denominations, the black seashells and the white ones. And the wampum, everybody knew how many raccoon, how many wampum shells like raccoon hide was worth a muskrat hide, a beaver hide, a fox hide, a wolf hide, whatever it was, it was locked in pretty fixed.
And the economy was booming and they didn't even have well, they had money, the wampum shells, but which by the way, were worthless. Isn't it funny? The the the tribal red men in America had money that was just like ours worthless. And so but everything was going along good. Then all of a sudden, people were using these seashells to buy and sell as a medium of exchange. And then this, the one palm went flat and it wasn't worth anything. And nobody understood why. Why? What happened to the one palm? I take my one palm into the general store, the tavern or something, or try to buy something from my neighbor. Nobody will take it anymore. Well, some wise heads got together and finally figured out the reason the wampum wasn't worth anything anymore was because most of the valuable hides have been trapped out of the Adirondacks.
See, the truth is the wampum was worthless and up in the seashells made out of calcium that they gathered. But eyes were worth something, and they had a a use. You know? They keep you warm in the winter if nothing else. And once there was nothing back in the wampum nothing backing it, the wampum was worthless and if there's nothing backing our money, it will the worthlessness of it will eventually come out right now. We're living in La la land. Yes, that's the land
[01:55:48] Unknown:
and
[01:55:49] Unknown:
we, we are, we're stuck on this idea of perpetual debt. And you made this point to justice Joseph story of the US Supreme court said that our bankruptcy provisions over United States constitution, which is part of our common law tradition, by the way, from the old country. That's all it is. It's nothing fancy, nothing new. Fundamentally, it's the same, the same principles of our old common law, coming way back from centuries before lost in the fog of antiquity, but we have it all there. And he said it is a disgrace. This is in his commentaries on the constitution of the United States back about 1838 or 40 or somewhere along in there. It would be a disgrace, been a disgrace for us to not have have this relief from debt, and he attaches it to the Bible, the year of Jubilee.
Jubilee occurred every 49 year every 50 years, and, all debts were canceled. All land returned, all mortgages were ended, etcetera. And, I see that. I see that clearly. And I'm glad you brought that up because usury against their own people is evil and it will cause all money to increasingly migrate into the single hands of the banker Period. That's right. That's what it does. It does. It's an engineering mechanism. It just causes that to happen. Yep. Yes. And God God forbids it. And now here's the question. I'm gonna ask you this, Paul or Roger, whoever, but Paul was talking about it. The definition of usury is important. That's the thing that escapes people. They don't think about it.
What how would you define it? And I'll tell you how I would define it then, after I hear how you would define it. I wanna hear it.
[01:57:30] Unknown:
It's a very good question. I know that, Hillel Belok's definition, which I don't necessarily go along with, but his definition is quite interesting. This is from about a 100 years ago. He said it's any loan that's made that's an unproductive loan, in the sense that you are the the usurer still has a claim on receiving his additional interest charge on the loan, irrespective of whether the project or the purpose for which the money was borrowed Uh-huh. Is fruitful or not. Belloc argued that if it's unfruitful, the usurer shouldn't get anything. In other words, to a certain degree, he was arguing that it should have been a partnership, which I think is actually more honorable and correct in many ways.
And in fact, interestingly, supposedly, anyway, Islamic banks operate like that. Yes. Western banks don't. So, that's it. But but usually, I don't really have a clear definition, actually. It's a very good question. I don't really have one. I spoke it's basically as far as I'm concerned, it's the it's the level it's the surcharge on a loan that is open ended. To me, that's what I'm that's what I'm Well, that that I'm Yeah. Is that it's open ended. Yeah. And therefore, you the the borrower is, under current circumstances, subject to this thing called the varying interest rates and the prolongation of the loan and all these other things. In other words, whilst the loan is going on, the borrower is absolutely the the lender is at the mercy.
I'm sorry. The borrower is at the mercy of the lender because these things keep moving around. Of course, the whole of the news then is just full of effect effectively the usury reports. All of the things that most of the things that report in the world of economics are of an are a result of the effect of this shifting of people buying money. So that that's it. I mean, I'm sure there probably is a dictionary definition of it. It's a surcharge or supposedly, you know, that the, the lender gets paid for lending you the money. Now my complaint, just on it just I know I've not really answered the question, but the observation we're talking about this last night is to do with the mechanics of the way that loans are issued that's the real problem.
[01:59:50] Unknown:
Yeah. Exactly.
[01:59:52] Unknown:
It's so I'm not saying that people cannot or should not be able to borrow funds. No. They should. It would, of course, be absolutely marvelous if they're borrowing it from their state bank, which they own. This is the whole thing. Why should why should a private group own what is effectively, a tribal resource? It's what it should be. It's a bit like tape measures. Money should be like tape measures. You don't you know, if I sold tape measures, I can't go around saying did you use my tape measures to build that building? And they go, yeah. Oh, well, I own 10% of it because you used my tape measures. It's just insane. Yeah. But people don't think of it like that. You know, they go Yeah. No, it's really worth something. No, it's a measurement. It's just a piece of paper and it is useful, but it's currently not. But But the the problem with the loan, just coming back to this the mechanics of the loan, is you borrow $10,000.
The bank says you owe us 12 just to keep the sum simple. You owe us 12 over the course of a year. Therefore, you gotta pay us back at the rate of $1,000 a month. They go you go, okay. They look at you. They go, we quite like you. You've got cash flow, they say. We think your business is gonna be good. We think you're good, not only to bring us the $10 back, but also the $2 that we want out of your pocket as well. You go, great. And maybe you make a go of it or whatever. So that's how it currently works. The problem is they only create the 10. Right. This is so important.
This is part of this pressure, this hidden pressure in the system that nobody really can detect. So because they only create the 10, you are then charged with running off into the marketplace and effectively plundering $2 out of it. Yep. No problem. Back to the bank. So you put your prices up for your oranges or your eggs or whatever the hell it is, and these costs are passed on to everybody else. Meanwhile, all the other people that you bought you buy stuff from, they're also into the bank, and they have to keep lobbing these extra prices on to pay their interest charges. Yep. Yep. So that it creates like a hidden feedback loop like in a PA system and people get busier and busier and busier and busier and the government has to step in. There's all this drama and it it'll never get sorted because he can't because it's a it's a madness.
So that's the way it is right now. But a simple change would totally transform it, which is that when you borrow the $10 and the bank wants 12, the bank creates the whole 12 right on the day that you make the loan and it pays itself immediately the $2,000 Why would it do that? Because now the $2,000 that it pays out to its staff, in this simple example, go out and exist in the marketplace. That means you can now get them. They're actually there. So the bank, because it doesn't create the interest part of the loan, is compelled to keep on issuing more loans to keep beefing up the money supply so that you can go and find the 12 grand, I. E. The additional 2 grand that they didn't create in the 1st place so you can pay the loans back. And this is part of the --ness of it, and it's by design. It's obviously by design, and it it creates this frenetic, fruitless energy in the workplace.
Most of the things that people do are complete waste of time. Oh, god. And it gets worse. You know, Paul, it get it gets worse when you understand that they don't really loan you money. It's all done on a promissory note. I know. I know. I know. But you see, even on that, Roger, you're absolutely right. But I wouldn't mind so much as long as I own the bank with them. If we all own it, then we can all run and go, this is all run like crap. We go, yeah. Well, let's change it. But because we don't, because we have no say in the management Yeah. That's right. They've designed it to their advantage, obviously, and massively to our disadvantage.
And that's fundamental, as far as I'm concerned, that's warfare. It's warfare. They are war on us because we can't settle our disputes through communication because we're denied that. They just say, we've created a law. Well, that law is war. It's it's waging war on us. I know you everybody knows this here, but it's just sort of trying to find a way to get it across. The idea of actually having loans, if you do it properly, even that and then that's not perfect, but I'll tell you that would just take the heat out of everything. They don't want that. And the other thing as well, you know, the last thing which people are probably aware of is, here's the problem with the tail end of the loan. We were talking about this last night. When you finally pay it off, the $10 that they created disappears off their books. Yes.
So prosperity is actually ruinous to the bank. Yep. So you just go this could be madder. It couldn't be madder if you wanted to create the maddest thing in the world. It's so mad. It's designed literally to thwart,
[02:04:31] Unknown:
undermine, crush, and destroy Christian civilization, and that's exactly what it does. Yep. Exactly what it does. Now let us get our bearings here because Paul so graciously didn't play the outro, and, and we're off the air. We're still being recorded on his side there. But just to let everybody know, that's where we are. And, back when Paul first came on, Joe was trying to say something, and then he's kinda faded into the background. Joe, are you still with us?
[02:05:04] Unknown:
Okay. We're telling you, sorry. Oklahoma?
[02:05:07] Unknown:
Yeah.
[02:05:09] Unknown:
Yeah. Okay. He was he was probably, he was probably gonna give some, valuable backstory on the actual, farming thing that Brent was talking about.
[02:05:22] Unknown:
Well yeah. But it was right when Paul came on, so I don't think that guy had been brought up yet. But I believe that's the one Joe keeps telling us we need to get on the show. Is this something with prices of goods and whatnot? But it's really interesting situation to dig in, and now you see why these guys are so powerful because they're just well, they own 3 3 quarters or more of all the value in the world mostly by the Rothschilds. Mhmm. Also, on your your Vienna, your Austria example, one of the other factors that was coming in there, Paul, that I've learned from Mike Maloney to understand is the velocity of money. And the more money circulates, there's a wealth effect there.
[02:06:08] Unknown:
There is. I mean, it it seems to me the idea is to just create kind of a balance between I know it's tricky because you've got human nature and some people really want a lot of stuff. They probably don't even know why they want it really, but they do, don't they? This is nothing new under the sun. I need more stuff than the other guys. Thanks. Really? You do? Yeah. I do. I need it. I need I need all this stuff. I need a helicopter. You do? Yeah. I've gotta have 1. My life's okay. 2. No. I gotta I gotta have 2. Yes. Yeah. 2. Well, I'm up in 3 then. Well, I'm in a squadron of helicopters. I mean, it's obviously really important to certain guys that they act like this and do certain things. And, you know, good luck to them, if that's what they want, I guess, you know, if you but so much of it is pointless. And, of course, the other thing, the effect of this of this type of money that we are compelled to use through this law war or this positive law, because you are forced to use it, is that it skewed everything else.
In a way, we actually really can't see what's going on. It's like this this usury fog in everything, absolutely everything. The advertising industry isn't is, and its aggressive nature and its invasive data grabbing nature as it exists right now is to promote evermore consumption of things. Why? I don't need this stuff. Really. Seriously. People are so busy performing in the economy, they don't live a life. They're just bouncing around, aren't they, like bees, you know, working, working, and working, and do more stuff. And and then, you know, over here you'll get it over there, won't you? The economy's doing great. Everybody goes, yay. They don't even know why they're going, yay. It didn't make any difference to them. Price of everything still keeps going up. But they've just been told it's great. Now we're told it's really, really bad. And all this. And that our government, I think last week, Rachel in accounts as she's referred to. This is the chancellor of the exchequer. Right? It's, meant to demean her. She was just had to go off and, issue I don't know, wants to borrow 1,000,000,000, you know, with government government treasury bonds. And you look at this, you go, why? Why don't you just create yourself for us?
But this that discussion doesn't even exist. This is what Liz Truss was talking about. People are literally unaware that this conversation can exist. Yep.
[02:08:26] Unknown:
And and here's the other angle on that. You hear often the term they make money out of thin air, which is not true, except in what you're talking about, which is the compounding of the interest on whatever principal was loaned into circulation.
[02:08:41] Unknown:
That's where they make money out of thin air. Right? They do. You're absolutely right. I mean, obviously, your signature is I mean, we know about these things with birth certificates and signatures and signatures on loans. Effectively, you are the one that's issuing the money to yourself. The bank, you know, from a certain perspective, acts as an agent and says, oh, for being your agent and all this, we're gonna level interest on it. Give us an 8%. Would you, please? Yeah.
[02:09:05] Unknown:
Yeah. You got I why do I need you? Why can't I just, you know I think Joe popped in there. Joe, did you hear us calling you and come in just as we were starting that conversation? Because I don't wanna marginalize you.
[02:09:20] Unknown:
Roger Bruce. Well
[02:09:22] Unknown:
oh, it's Bruce. Okay. Alright. Bruce, what do you got? Well, you're not that loan you got, is nothing but fake money, And you have Federal Reserve notice of debt already. So you're debt Well, it's not even debt. Debt. You're getting a loan on your future income. Basically, what happens when it says a full faith credit of the net money to get a loan. Do do what, Bruce, now? We have nothing but debt, a note. Yes. That's right. That's what they say. Which is a debt. There is no money. There's only credit. And the original start of the credit spout is where they take that birth certificate using it as a warehouse receipt and attach it to the bond issues, and that's the bond market, which is 5 to 10 times as big as the stock market. K? And as I say so often, bond is the root word of bondage. Okay?
And there's the origin of it right there. So it's a it's a brilliant scheme they've cooked up here. K? And it really works for them.
[02:10:37] Unknown:
Roger, are you there? I am, Brent. I wanna I'm gonna throw out a definition for usury. And if we don't talk about it anymore today, then maybe we can talk about it next time. You you'll help me remember. But here's the way I understand it for what it's worth. And I think this is, comports with the Bible pretty clear, and it's this. Usury is the transfer to the title of and I don't know, user is a contract to transfer the title of demanding the ex the expending of the item transferred upon a you, upon a surcharge. It's hard to get into words. I need to hammer this out, but what it comes down to is this, usury only applies to items under contract to be used.
Usury only applies to things under contract to be used for instance, usually by and large only applies to money and things that are eatable, edible. You can eat them. It doesn't apply to anything else. I am surprised. I had a friend that worked in a bank and little town there where I grew up and I grew up with him old Bailey. And he said, Brent, you wouldn't believe how many people come in here and want to borrow $150 so they can buy. Groceries. Just food. They just want something to eat. Well, that's a little bit different, but I did read a case from pure to New England. Of course, in pure to New England, the Bible was their statute. They said we don't need any any statutes. We got statutes that tell us what to do. And the lieutenant governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony was prosecuted for a crime because he loaned another man 10 bushels of corn.
We're talking American corn, not some other kind of grain, just corn, 10 bushels of corn to get him through the winter under a contract that he would repay him with 12 bushels of corn. You see, when the bank gives you money on a they call it a loan. It's not a loan. You, you will not give that money back. You get that money, that gold, whatever, and you don't give that back. No, you get other money and give it back. And when they transfer it to you, it's not alone. No, they transfer title, ownership, legal title to you. It's yours, and you're under a duty in the contract, not a duty. You're under, a contractual obligation to spend that money. You borrow it for a house. They're gonna demand that you spend it for a house, not something else. They're going to demand that you spend it for a car, not what you borrow it for a car, not something else. And it's your money. And the proof of that is that you take that money and you transfer title to the man who is selling you the house.
They transfer title to you. It's your money. It's not alone. That's a lie. That's all us reading the double speak. It's alone. But when you pay it back, you don't pay back that money. You pay back some other money. And so it's usually on what they call it, fungible products like grain grain, or you borrow money on grain that way. There's an excellent Roger. Maybe you and I had talked about this, an excellent presentation by a man who won't talk to people anymore. If he's still alive, I don't think he is. He became a hard shell Baptist, but he was a professor at Bob Jones, a professor of economics, and he used to deliver a series of lectures. You can find them on YouTube. I want to recommend them here. The name of the, oh, I don't remember the name. It's about grain. It's about he it's about grain and the grain bin.
And they use the grain like the fellow used the sardines like a bank. And he describes the banking system using this analogy of grain and the grain bin, a fungible material, fungible or fungible, they say. That means Are you looking for commodity? Well, commodity is a good word, but a fungible material is a material that Yeah. Any any ounce of gold is the same as any other ounce of gold. Right. I don't have when I borrow if I borrow an ounce of gold from a bank who's banking gold, they're not going to require, I give them that ounce back. Well, that tells me right there. It's not alone. When you go down and borrow a car at a car rental place, you gotta bring that car back. You can't bring it back some other car like it. That's not the way it works. And by the way, that is not usury because that's not a, a car. If you rent a car, a power tool or a mule or a horse or whatever you're renting, you're borrowing that thing. You don't take legal title to it. No, no. You just have it for a short time and then you give it back.
But when you go to the bank, you take ownership of that money that you're borrowing. That's the difference. They don't tell you that they lied to you and say it's a loan, etcetera, again. And then it's hard to think about it in some other way. But anyway, Lieutenant governor had this, contract with this fella for this 10 bushel of corn, and he was supposed to pay him 12 bushel the next year after harvest. And they prosecuted him for a crime because the Bible says usury is against the law. It will destroy our society. Go ahead, Roger.
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I was gonna say if you reverse that and and put the money in the bank, they think it's theirs.
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That's right. But they know too that legally, when you put the money in the bank, it is theirs. You transfer title of that money to them, and they're under a contract to provide certain services to you, like give some of it back if you write a check. But don't kid yourself, friends. When banks go down, the only recourse you have against them is a contract action. And that will get you nowhere. Why? Because it's not a crime in our common law tradition to, be in debt. It's not a crime in our common law tradition to breach your contract. In other words, to not fulfill your promise. It may be a bad thing to do. It may cost you, but with bankers, they know better. That's when the, why, when the banks failed my family, my, well, my father's side, they hit oil on the property when my granddad was a little boy.
And, like dad said, they didn't have money. They were living in a log house down in the creek bottom, had no money. And all of a sudden the gusher comes in an oil well. It was a classic, Beverly Hillbilly story. Right. And all of a sudden they've got checks coming every month. They don't know what to do with money. They never seen the blasted stuff. They put it in the bank and little town there and then put it all in all their eggs in one basket. And when the crash came in 29, I wasn't there. I've missed the family story. When the crash came, it all went down and the bank failed and all that money they'd put in there for the previous 20 years almost. Well, yeah, 20 years it was gone. Yes. And they had built, they'd put a siding on their log house, put a parlor out front. Boy, they were in high cotton as they say. They were living the big life and thought they were somebody. And my grand granddad couldn't even read and write his own name.
He's the one that said, if you do this, it's going to destroy the family. And it did. Well, all that disappeared, and nobody in that community sued the bankers. Why? It's not a crime. Can't take them to the prosecutor. Boy, the bankers have it sewed up. I was when I was in school, I remember the professor in property said, just remember, boys, when you're out in the world and you're in the courts, if you go up against a bank or an insurance company, there's a 99.9% chance you're not going to prevail. Right. Because they have all the money and they have lobbied the legislature and everything is in position to protect them. And the whole banking system is against the law of God. That's what we need to be saying. Anything else that just you just get confused. Listen, g that and bring it back to the beginning.
Paul was talking about Jesus Christ going into the temple. The the gospel records say he last 2 cords together like a bullwhip. He turned the money changers tables over and drove them out of the temple bodily, And they ran like scolded dogs, scared of him. We're talking God in human flesh here. His resolve was unstoppable, and he it was his perfect vengeance. He said, you've made the this, this that meant to be a house of prayer, not of usury is what he meant. What is usury? Let's put it to a simpler definition. Now, again, we, this is open for discussion. I hope Paul can come back sometime, then I want to hear what he says about it. He said a lot and Roger too, if he wants to weigh in, but usury is shuffling papers and getting paid.
That's what usury is. Yeah. Shuffling papers and getting paid a lot of money to do it and producing absolutely nothing. Nothing. Yeah. Nothing. Yep. Yeah. Well If I may.
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Yes, Dave?
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Yeah. So based on that story that Paul told, what I got out of that is that if we want to have a jubilee that eliminates our debt, first, we have to have a jubilee that eliminates the debt holders, yield. Well,
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we could have, if we get enough people, we could have an exposure of the fraudulent nature of it and see what kind of impact that have had would have. I know it's, proportional on the amount of people and all those other things, but there's one way to counter it. They've taken that credit spout right there and built an illusion that is all any of us have ever known. And it's based on that you're free and that money is debt. On those two principles,
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they built this. Now Paul made the point a while ago too, and I'm glad he brought it up and I didn't have time to chime in. He said, you're the borrower's at the mercy of the lender. Well, that's exactly what the Bible says. The borrower is slave. That's what it says to the lender. Well, this is my friends, but getting rid of the money lender is not necessarily the problem according to the law of God. What's, what's the, not the problem, the solution the solution according to the law of God. What's the solution? The solution is the year of jubilee. I would encourage people go back and read it. It's a simple law of the old testament, the law of Moses, and Jesus Christ did indeed, as Paul pointed out, reference that he opened his earthly ministry once he became of age. What age was that? Age 30. Why age 30? Because a priest in the law of God could not function as a priest until he was age 30, and a prophet didn't either. But a priest had to be age 30. They retired at age 50. Jesus Christ turned 30, then he went out and here he goes. He is prophet, priest, and king. God reduced to the span of a man. He goes to his hometown. They're up on the Galah Lake, the Galilee, and he goes to the synagogue as well, as it says, as was his habit, as was his custom. You go to church. You may not like what's there, but it's a custom. That's what he did. He went and they handed in the scroll of Isaiah. This is Luke chapter 4. I believe you can go read it, the scroll of Isaiah.
And he read to them what would happen in the year of Jubilee. And he, and of course it has to do with Jew, by the way, the word Jubal, the Hebrew word Jubal means, an exclamation of enjoyment. Hurrah I'm out from under the burden of debt.
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God did it. Not man.
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I didn't do it. I didn't do it. I didn't do this to myself. God did it. And if you're in the burden of debt, only God can get you out. I'm telling you, friends, it's bondage. The Bible God's made this world. That's the way he sees it. That's the way it is. And you need a deliverer. And who is the deliverer? Jesus, the Christ. How does he do his delivery? He does it through his will. He speaks the truth and it happens. Where has he spoken the truth in this book? We call the Bible. Jesus Christ is the deliverer, the creator of all things and the deliverer of the law to Moses, for his people. It's all there.
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Yeah. Go ahead. What word for, retired is in Spanish?
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What?
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Hubelado. Is that related to I think it comes from Jubilee.
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Makes sense. But it's the jumping for joy and what when, the priest in the old testament sprinkle the blood at the what they call the mercy sheet on the lid of the strong box that had the evidence of land ownership, the ark of the covenant, the ark of evidence, they call it. When he sprinkled that blood up there in in the new testament, it's called the propitiation. Well, that's a big fat fancy word. What in the Sam Hill does that mean? Well, perpetuation, the Greek word there is hilarious. Oh, the word hilarious, hilarious.
Hilarious. Yeah. Laughter, Jubilee laughter. That's where the debt is paid. All the debts are paid and it's a burden. You go into bankruptcy court. It's hard. It's hard to watch. And then I'll remind you again, if you're not in debt, what this does to people, it's overwhelming my friends and only Jesus Christ. And he's the one that can do it. And to be born from above my friends, listen to me to be born from above is to be taken out of that system. And then you'll begin to understand who you are and what you're supposed to do. Only God can take you out of slavery and bondage of the evil empire as the nation of Israel was in that usury. Listen, usury has to have the companion, the handmaiden of income tax Without income tax, usually will not work for the banks over time. It will destroy. Yeah. So we have both. That's what they had in Egypt when Israel was there.
Put in place, as you know, 20% income tax upon all production. Joseph put that in place, but then it stayed in place. And, and, 400 years later, everybody was enslaved and God brought them out. That's how that happened. That's how it happened. Well, he can bring you out to bring me out. And it is, I know I'm telling you, giving you my personal testimony. I'm out. And the reason I'm out is because Jesus Christ took me out. That's why it isn't something I did. I'm not smart enough to figure this out. He took me out and once he takes you out your eyes open, then you see you don't see before you can't see. You may think you see, but you'll, you'll, you'll mess it up. And once you're under his orders, you know what to do. Then you've got a purpose for living because you're like a soldier. You got orders. You know what you're supposed to do. You're not trying to figure it out yourself. You just shut up and do what you're told, and this book tells us what to do. Oh, we may understand that this time goes along better as the spirit of God illuminates it. But bottom line is we're supposed to do what he tells us to do, and we want to if we're born from above. Right? Go ahead. And the more you, the the the more you realize that and understand it,
[02:25:24] Unknown:
it gives purpose to your life. Did I hear somebody hit star 6 there a second ago? Or somebody hit I heard tones. I didn't know if it was star 6.
[02:25:35] Unknown:
Yes. It was it was me, Chris from California. I just wonder if anybody has heard of the Anthony Harvest Anthony Hargis Bank. Anthony Hargis had a bank that was doing very well and benefiting the people and they shut them down.
[02:25:52] Unknown:
Yeah. Not unusual. I've not heard of that. Chris is one of our newer listeners, Brent. He's from California up there above LA, and, very spiritually, based and biblically oriented from what he's so little we conversations we've had. So, Chris, meet Brent. He's the guy I was telling you about.
[02:26:16] Unknown:
Hi, Chris. Yes.
[02:26:17] Unknown:
Really enjoying, the discourse today.
[02:26:21] Unknown:
Well, we we enjoy it too. It's fun to think somebody might be listening to you. It makes them more enjoyable. Yeah. We really Thank you. I'm just I
[02:26:30] Unknown:
banking and finance was my major in college, and it's because of what I learned that I realized I could not go into that profession.
[02:26:38] Unknown:
Yeah. Right. That's right. Well, Roger. It's rare it's rare when we get Paul to drop by, Chris, and that's why I was so thrilled when I I found out you're with us in that second hour, Paul, and always invite you, you know, but do it anytime you want to.
[02:26:55] Unknown:
Sure. No. It's always good to be here. It's always fun. Yep. Yep. We appreciate it. We need we need more of this. We need you, Paul, you sound exactly like my friend David Morgan, who went to Cambridge and Oxford and he was my best friend. I'm sorry that he's gone. And, your voice sounds just like his and and, you know, he was he was on this as well.
[02:27:21] Unknown:
Cool. I think I I just think everybody needs to be on it. I keep thinking about what what simple project could be arranged that would harness a lot of people's attention rapidly. We used to have a thing we have things over here. You've got consumer pressure groups. We've talked about it recently. We we used to have a woman here in the sixties called Mary White house, and she was, at the time, ridiculed as a figure of fun as a sort of fuddy ditty, but she was campaigning rightfully against the spread of pornography. And, of course, she was therefore, a figure of ridicule in the press because, of course, it was the permissive society and this was really important. She turned out, of course, to be right about everything. Of course. Yeah. But she got a big following.
Well, the everybody in Britain, everybody in America, we need our own public bank, and we don't need anybody else to run a private bank in our space. No private banks. None. And it's got to be really boiled down. Although there are a lot of complexities about the loan process and all these other things, it seems to me the fundamental is we are in an adversarial relationship with the bank. No matter how much lovely advertising they put at you, it's adversarial because the owners do not subscribe to Christian civilized law. That's it.
They don't. Yeah. That's fine. I don't have a problem that they don't subscribe to it. That's their choice. But I have a big problem they're allowed to operate in my home.
[02:28:47] Unknown:
Paul, we had a new listener on yesterday from Massachusetts named Dan, who is his mother was Jewish. She had rebelled against her strict parents and married a gentile. So his father was gentile and his mother's Jewish. And he was telling us we had a wonderful discussion in the last 30 minutes or more of the show. And I, you know, I love to have something like that where you can probe and ask some questions. Right? Yep. But he said, he said it was very interesting when he would be on holiday or something, and they go with the dad's side of the family.
And they're all enjoying each other and loving and feeding and laughing and just enjoying life. You know? And then they go to the mother's side of the family, and he said all they were doing was scheming. Oh, how can we get this? Oh, how can we get that? And it was all the adult men. The women would sit there and nod their heads, and the children would do the same thing. A juxtaposition of these two cultures.
[02:29:52] Unknown:
Well, yeah. I mean, I just I I mean, I think from a sort of communications point of view, it's useful. The phrase I tend to use is the money power because Yeah. There are many of our own people that are in this pit waging more against us. There really are. And and didn't Christ address that as well, you know, about the rabbis? He said, you scour the earth for a necrolyte and make them twice the creature of hell than you are. Yeah. Hold let's see. There's a voice in the background. Chris, is that you?
[02:30:19] Unknown:
I don't know. Somebody was talking a while back. I would
[02:30:24] Unknown:
I would like to say something. It's worthwhile to study Genesis chapter 4849 to find out who Israel is. Because we are Israel. We are Israel. The Jews, which is a slang term, that's just the tribe of Judah
[02:30:43] Unknown:
and, you know, they've got a history. It's not even that. They went to back They're not even the tribe of Judah.
[02:30:49] Unknown:
I know that. They know. I know that. Alright. Sorry.
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Know
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Joshua made a big mistake when he did not eradicate all of the Canaanites as he was ordered to do by the Lord and he never reconciled that and we were stuck with them as the healers of wood and always of water and they infiltrated of course, you know, the whole system of the temple And, when Jesus said that you're not of Abraham's seed, he was saying it correctly, they weren't. They weren't of Abraham's. It was already polluted by them. And, so we have a situation here where we've got a fake state of Israel over there, they're not Israel. Israel left that area. Israel was not Judah. Judah was the southern kingdom and all they would have a claim to if they had any claim at all which they really don't would be that southern piece of real estate, you know, not the northern kingdom.
And, Paul said a prayer, he said my prayer for Israel is this that they might be saved. His prayer was answered with the reformation.
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Okay, by that.
[02:32:10] Unknown:
So there's a lot there's this idea of banking, you know, yes. I like hearing about what's going on in North Dakota. I'm gonna look into that some more. Maybe I'll have to move there. I'll get that bank has been around, I think, a 100 years, Chris.
[02:32:24] Unknown:
I mean, virtually, the state has no debt. It's it's a it's an absolutely total success story.
[02:32:32] Unknown:
Yeah. That's why you don't hear about it.
[02:32:34] Unknown:
Does anybody know about the Nevada State Bank?
[02:32:38] Unknown:
No. But if it's in Nevada, I'd be a little dubious.
[02:32:47] Unknown:
Nevada Nevada is a Nevada is a straight place.
[02:32:52] Unknown:
It is. So, I don't know. Paul, I wanted to thank you. I don't know if you've gotta go or not. I know some of the demands on you. What a joy to have you with us today if you don't know. But, I just wanna make sure I got that in, and, of course, the perpetual invitation is always at your doorstep.
[02:33:13] Unknown:
Cool. No. It's great. I enjoyed it today, and thanks for Paul for providing the intro. I just sort of sit here kinda quiet for ages listening. I just get drawn into the role of being a listener. Was a good store, a good show. They would just talk about, you know, nothing too heavy. That's the Louisiana and Justin Wilson
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and different general things of interest, I hope. And, and then you popped in, and it's been, just wonderful ever since on this money thing, which everyone should be interested in and know as much about as you can learn and, and understand. So, man, I don't appreciate it. I don't think I've talked to you in 6 6 months. Do what? Was that Chris? Yeah. There's a man named Byron Dale who wrote I know I know him. I've had dinner with him a couple of times.
[02:34:02] Unknown:
Yes. Is he still alive?
[02:34:05] Unknown:
I don't know if he's still alive or not, but his book is Bashed by the Bankers. He's just a really good down down home guy, and and, I just really enjoyed meeting him. And he had this was Byron Dale's thing. He said, here's the 3 questions. If you get into discussion with somebody, here's the 3 questions. What is money? Where does it come from? And how does it get into circulation? And for asking and understanding those questions and setting up his own Federal Reserve, the state police beat him with a ketchup bottle where he's almost unrecognizable at his own kitchen table.
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Yep.
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Yep. Yep. Heck of a good guy.
[02:34:59] Unknown:
I definitely recommend to everybody that they try and if read the Ellen Brown article from January 13th. It's called, beating Wall Street at its own game, the Bank of North Dakota Model. Oh. It's excellent. It's on uns.com, unzed.com, which is a big aggregation site. Okay. Yeah. Let me read you the opening sentence because this is it. Right? The Bank of North Dakota operates on the same principles as any capitalist bank, except that its profits and benefits serve the North Dakota public rather than private investors and executives.
Yeah. Bingo. Yep. That's it. Why should a private bank exist at all in the nation? Shouldn't. Absolutely shouldn't. Nope. It's like I was it's like someone copywriting measurements. And that's it. Every time you measure something,
[02:35:54] Unknown:
the thing you've measured is mine. I think it takes gold and silver as legal tender.
[02:35:59] Unknown:
Yeah. It will do. It it will it's just it's fantastic. You know, if I go to America if I ever move there, I'm going to North Dakota even though it's a bit bloody cold, isn't it? But, you won't see many people 800,000 people. There's nobody. There's more people live in my town, and, actually, they don't. There's about a 120,000 here in this town. But that's not many in an entire country. I mean, an entire state. Well, it is a country as far as I'm concerned. The famous city in North Dakota is Minot
[02:36:25] Unknown:
because it's the base there where all the anti ballistic missiles are. And anybody that's in the service that gets stationed up there, they try and compare it to a place called Thule, Greenland, which may be in the US system here pretty quick.
[02:36:43] Unknown:
Yeah. Roger.
[02:36:46] Unknown:
Yeah. Yes. I've been through there, Paul, actually. Going to Alaska. Yeah, Dave.
[02:36:51] Unknown:
Yeah. For Brent, you know, my mother taught us the Lord's prayer, and it was forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors. And does not the blood of Christ pay this debt?
[02:37:03] Unknown:
Well, sure. No. It's all to to to take the Christianity out of the tangible, and put it into the urethral is a damnable lie. And that's why Jesus Christ made the point, the Bible makes the point, the evidence is clear that he his resurrection was bodily. It wasn't some spiritual idea. It was real, r e a l. And our resurrection will be the same. And also all things that go with it in the land of who the elodial landlord is. And that's the maker of heaven and earth. And Jesus Christ is entrusted with all this land for our benefit. And we're the beneficiaries, his people, those who he has chosen And beneficiaries that are not named by name are not beneficiaries.
There has to be a certainty of words with beneficiary, not just all the people in the world. That doesn't work. That's not lawful. Never has been. It does the courts won't enforce that, and god's law won't enforce it either. You know, what is law? Law is what, the law will enforce what God will enforce. That's what true law is. And he's promised to enforce his law and without enforcement, there is no law. And it comes back to what does the Bible say? The Bible is a book of the revelation of God's will. That God's will is revealed through statutes, commandments, judgments, poetry, history, biography, epopulate, apocalyptic literature, like revelation and Daniel as all there for one reason to tell us what God's will is and what he did do and what he's going to do.
Isaiah divides it, divides it this way, but it's all God's law. The will of the sovereign is law. That's true among all people. You know, they say that John Calvin said that. He was a law of the city canon law lawyer. He said the will of the prince is law, of course. And, it is true. True law is the will of the true prince, and there's only one. We're looking at the stars last night. They're so clear up here where we are, and we saw Orion, constellation Orion. Traditionally traditionally, Orion is the Messiah. The the zodiac teaches the Messiah.
God spoke to Job. You can go to the book of Job and see that the zodiac is not astrology. The book of Job talks about it. That talks about the constellations. The zodiac is a general picture of the coming of the Messiah. It is consonant with this book we call the Bible. The zodiac is nature in the heavens operating to speak, and the Bible says that in Psalm 19, the heavens declare the glory of God. Well, I'm just making the point. It's a coming to the Messiah. He's the one that relieves all men that he wants to relieve of death. He puts them in a position of beneficiary of all this land God has given us. The land is what produces true wealth, and it never stops coming. It doesn't seem like North Dakota is a good example. One other thing about North Dakota, and I haven't studied the subject a lot. I am aware of the things that Paul was talking about, and I want to read this article. But, during World War 2, North Dakota became a socialistic state.
In other words, North Dakota took over a lot of the larger industries in the state, and I don't think they've ever given them up. Now that's the downside of North Dakota. Now what that means to banking, I don't know, but I have heard a lot of good things about the banking because it's not private bankers. I get that. I know where I live in the Midwest, there was a time when, you couldn't pay any tax taxes on your land unless you paid the paid the taxes with script from the the bank that the state owned. They wouldn't allow anything else or gold or silver, whatever they wanted to say came from that, the storage of that bank, if you had an interest in it. And so people, of course, took an interest in that bank, would get an interest in that bank because they had to pay their taxes. Plus, the more interest they had in it, the more they control they had of it.
[02:40:49] Unknown:
And that's what it it would be a good thing, of course. Well, Roger and Paul I mean, before you run off here, let me tell you this, Brent. My friend, Walt, the, he's from Detroit. He's, internationally known in jazz circles, trumpet guy. And, he lives here. He's got an apartment, 3 stories, moderate. You know, nothing fancy, nothing slummy. And, he wanted me to tell the audience that he paid his property tax the other day. Uh-huh. $72 for the year. In what country? Ecuador.
[02:41:23] Unknown:
Oh, there. I see. Yeah. Well, that's We all gonna lose that then.
[02:41:30] Unknown:
Guys, can I chime in on the, North Dakota bank?
[02:41:33] Unknown:
Yeah. Real quick, I guess. Go ahead.
[02:41:36] Unknown:
Just just yeah. Hi, Roger. Dan here. Oh, hey, Dan. So they're still using federal reserve notes. And so one way, shape, or form, they're still beholden into that system. And one of the cool things, I don't know how it would work, but it would be to somehow empower them to free themselves the rest of the way and create 2 separate things, so that they can still deal in the monetary system, but be out a little bit more. And, was it rich is that Richard Bobes? It sounds like Richard Bobes, but it's not.
[02:42:11] Unknown:
The other gentleman who was speaking to me me, you mean. No. I'll tell you this though. Richard Bobes lives 2 miles from me. He lives he lives 2 miles from me and I was having lunch with him the other week. He's Really? We all know each other. Yeah. Literally. He's round like I know you're not. Like, he In fact, he was just about to sit down and start studying the Bible. And I sat down and said, hey, before you do that, don't read it. We had a great chat. I said, don't read it. She goes, why? I said, you're gonna read it wrong. You're gonna read it completely wrong.
[02:42:41] Unknown:
Do it now, Dan. Let me introduce Dan. Let me introduce Dan. He's the Jewish the Jewish guy he's talking about. They just joined us yesterday.
[02:42:50] Unknown:
Yes. Mhmm.
[02:42:53] Unknown:
Welcome, I'm a Welcome again, Dan. Roger. I love you, buddy. Yep. Thank you. And I welcome myself back. But, you would ask about how do we make it more popular so it gets more into the mainstream so it can finally finish crumbling, basically. And, you know, when our podcasters started showing up at the beginning of COVID, I I predicted in my own head. I was like, these guys are gonna take over the scene. They're telling the truth and it's catching on like fire. And, and fire travels fast when it really starts, and and I think that's the way in now. That's the way in now. I mean, cats like Russell Brand are ready to hear. He's also ready to be a little confused and would be whatever. Cats like, Chris Martinson from the Peak Prosperity podcast.
He knows. I mean, he's sort of a friend. I mean, I know him in acquaintance of mine and he's seen what I've been doing to get rid of my license and all and and taxes and so forth. We need to get to podcasters. We need to get this to just a couple of people. Matt Taibbi might start to break a story. Right. What's his name? Ron Paul. He's gotta shut his mouth, but I love him to death and he can't shut his mouth and I hope he never does. But for god's sake, tell the last part of the story, Ron, or do you not know it? Somehow? Or you somehow blunted a little bit to the finer detail that everyone on this call is aware of. I don't know. But we gotta get to some of those guys. That's my opinion.
[02:44:22] Unknown:
We're what in in god's due time, Dan, you know, I've been trying to force this for so many years, and, it's not an easy message, especially when you don't really, have it where it's simple. To get it across to people is a very difficult proposition. So I just kinda came back and licked my wounds a bit and said, you know, this is I can't open this door. Okay? And so this is god's project here. I call it god's trump card, and, it's up to him to open the door, and that means it's up to us to mark time till he comes and do the best, things we can. And so I keep trying to refine it down where it's a simpler message and, to just build a proper foundation.
I'd I'd much rather have a, a proper foundation than be a flash in the pan, which is what, you know, up and down usually with no foundation brings. So and I've learned to have fun with it. Feel ready. Yeah. Well, I think we're getting a lot closer. I can tell you that. I can feel it. Look at all you fine new people that have come on just in the last couple of weeks. Okay? So we're getting some momentum, and that's gonna continue until, like you're saying, we get a shot at one of these other guys in a bigger platform. Yeah. And one of those at some point
[02:45:48] Unknown:
is gonna break it open like a log jam. That's what I think. Yes. That's, like, how it happened before. Wait till Jimmy Dorer finds out. What the what the heck? You know? Yep. He might be one of the lowest line but but hopefully we can get back to the bank of, of of North Dakota at some point and have someone come in and talk to us and see what do they know. Where are they headed? Not that they'll tell us everything, but it would be really nice Roger,
[02:46:16] Unknown:
I think that the state is totally without debt. Yes, Dave?
[02:46:21] Unknown:
I remember Russell Means, you know, the Lakota Indian actor was inviting people to move families and business, people to move to, North Dakota and join that Bank of North Dakota, and, you know, start a community there or a con you know, add to the community there. And I'm not sure if anything ever came out of that, but I I was really not through through InfoWars.
[02:46:51] Unknown:
It was North Dakota. Isn't it interesting that South Dakota has become one of the preeminent places in the world for trusts and those type of instruments? I I'm assuming you know that, Brent.
[02:47:06] Unknown:
No. I've been reading about it. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. And they want you to put your money in the bank there. See, establish a trust under the laws of common law trust under the laws of South Dakota. Put your money in the bank, and that increases
[02:47:22] Unknown:
prosperity for them. And Christy Noem is gonna be one of trust agents. He has I forget which one. I think she goes into confirmation maybe today. For whatever that's worth. Anyway, I don't Brent, I don't know if you, Paul, have gotta go. I I if you do, you know I guess I do. I've kinda got to go.
[02:47:47] Unknown:
Yeah. Fantastic. I do. I've kinda got to go. It's been wonderful. It's really good. It's the sort of conversation that could keep me going all night, but it looks it's quarter to 7 here. Apparently, I've got to eat some food or something. You probably got a family to feed. Listen, I'll for you right now,
[02:48:01] Unknown:
Paul and Paul work to have Paul's own show on Thursdays, and you can, pick it up by, I think, attaching to us. And and the other is Paul English Live, isn't it, Paul? You wanna plug that real quick?
[02:48:17] Unknown:
Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Paul was Paul was with us last night. Oh, Paul, do you wanna plug it? You plug it, Paul.
[02:48:23] Unknown:
Well, you can go to Paul English live dot com. Certainly, the links are there. You can go to Rumble, Paul English live channel on Rumble. And, you know, you got the right one on a Thursday if if there's an upcoming live broadcast, prior to 3 PM EST. You know you've got the right one. Just sit there, pack a lunch, stay the day, baby. You are gonna enjoy it. I actually wasn't there for the first two hours of the show yesterday. Outrageous. Outrageous. I know it's it's it's horrible, but they, but they made me sit in the back in the back room. They made me sit in the lobby for, like, 20 minutes. Very naughty. Look. You have to say the naughty stuff. Gonna be too excited about bringing Paul in here. You can't even be here on time. Bloody. Also He didn't even bloody well turn up on time. I know. Know his other accomplishments
[02:49:18] Unknown:
is, he's also a book reader because of his wonderful accent and, read the book Hellstorm. And you were are are going to do some of David Irving's books. Correct? Or have you already done them?
[02:49:31] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, I've done one. We did one. Yeah. We did one. In fact, I've got I'm just trying to chase them up. I can't remember the book I did now. Look at that. My brain's gone completely blank, and I read the whole thing. Oh, it's Nuremberg. Yeah. It was about the, Nuremberg, the final battle. It was about all the trials at the end. Amazing book. Now Paul. Yeah. And I can't help but on that subject to bring this up because of Brent's familiarity with this and his experience
[02:49:56] Unknown:
with his college, professor who was the front guy for the whole Nuremberg deal. Did you know that? Really?
[02:50:04] Unknown:
I think I've heard mention of it somewhere. Yeah. Wasn't there a name the other time when he was on? Yeah. I think so. Oh, William William Franklin Fratcher.
[02:50:13] Unknown:
Yep. I did a search on him afterwards. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, we did. I remember ringing that up. No. He wasn't necessarily the front man. He was a young man at that time, but he was a JAG officer Oh, boy. Yeah. And he was, and the thing that the thing that, they had to begin with, in Nuremberg was what what law are we gonna use to prosecute the Nazis? Are we gonna use the common law of England, the United States, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand? Or are we going to use the Roman civil canon law of Germany and Italy and Spain and all the rest of Europe, the continent, and then including Imperial Japan. And they decided if they prosecuted the Nazis under the Imperial law, that they wouldn't be able to commit them.
Because all around the world yet today, it's a complete defense to any crime that you obey the government. They did all plead that, by the way. I I obeyed my flag and my government. I'm not liable for anything. Well, that didn't fly because they decided at the beginning that the common law standard would be used. And the common law standard is that every man will answer before god regardless of what any man says to him or tells him to do. When somebody gives you an unlawful order to do something from a powerful position and it's the wrong thing to do, you have a duty to not do it.
[02:51:35] Unknown:
It's affirmative It's interesting, Brent, though, that they, they didn't apply that to themselves.
[02:51:40] Unknown:
I mean, the war crimes of the allies dwarf the war crimes, in my view, of the Germans. They're off the charts. Yeah. That that's normal, I suppose, of people being in the place where they are. Yep. But, yeah, I recognize that. But still, I get that. But it's important that we hold that light up and say, this is the standard. Of course, the powers that be anybody who's given an opportunity to not have to follow the law and fill his own lust. He's going to do that. And they did. I I I know your point. I get it entirely. But general marshall, head of the armed forces of the United States, when we tried our boys for war crimes after the war, we had boys that committed war crimes.
He put out the general order to the court's marshal that said that, obedience to orders can be a mitigating factor a mitigating factor, but obedience to orders cannot be the exonerating fact. You had a bounce view of it. Again, I I get it. We should know history. We should know our our shortcomings, the shortcomings of our nations, what has happened in the history of our people. You go to the bible, you read the history of of god's people. It it's nothing but a history of their godlessness and lawlessness. That's right. That's what yeah. That's what we're fighting. So, yeah, we don't wanna minimize the evils that we did at during and after the war, but we do wanna hold up the light and say at least we acknowledge them. Let's keep acknowledging them and holding them up as the standard.
Yep. Yeah. It's true. Alright.
[02:53:14] Unknown:
I I think you would find Irving's book quite interesting, Brent. Particularly all the meetings prior to the trial about them designing the laws and what charges they're gonna allow in and not allowing. It it just has the stink of a manipulated event, and it builds up as you read it. It's just an amazing thing. It's an amazing thing. I'm not pointing the finger. I'm just it's just an account from their own note from the notes. And the reason why the book is so gripping is that it's taken from directly from the notes. The other one I read, which is of Irving's, which I was going to narrate, but after I'd read it, I thought this is a narrow I can't read this. There are too many characters in it, like 50 or 60. There's just so many people in it. Was the, his autobiography or his biography, I should say, of Goebbels Mhmm. Which is amazing.
And by the way, Goebbels is not a nice man. Right? But, he is in parts, like we all are. He had his good sides, but his bad size kinda but it's an amazing it's an amazing book. It's absolutely one of the most gripping things I've read ever. But tell me again. Know what tell me again.
[02:54:23] Unknown:
I wrote this down before, but no. What's the name of the book?
[02:54:28] Unknown:
Which one? The the Nuremberg one? Yeah. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. So David Irving is Nuremberg, the final battle.
[02:54:35] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Uh-huh.
[02:54:37] Unknown:
And, it's it's wonderful. It's an absolutely wonderfully useful book. It really is. Taken really primarily from direct from source notes, particularly all the notes. I forgot the name of the characters in it now. But the note the notes that he picked up from all the British judges and the American ones, which he'd got access to afterwards, and he he weaves the whole tale together. You could I mean, they spend half their time getting drunk. I'm serious. They're they're just before the trial starts, they're all throwing cocktail parties all the time because they're going out of their minds. And they can't you know, there's a complaint about not being able to get cauliflower.
These things really intrigued me. It's always the little stuff that drives people crazy. And some of the Americans wanted their wives there because they were feeling, no, you can't have your wife there. So they got really petulant about that. Some of the Brits too. It's very it's comical in a darkly, you know, strange way as well as being, a great tragedy or or part of it. But the, yeah, it's it's very good to read. And the the Goebbels book, likewise, simply because Irving read, Goebbels diaries, which are 75,000 pages in length. Good lord.
Yep.
[02:55:48] Unknown:
And is it is it Goebbels Is it Goebbels war? Did it like the other books? Did he title it that?
[02:55:54] Unknown:
No. It's just called Goebbels. Just Goebbels. The dark side of of whatever it is. It's it's amazing. It's absolutely it really is. Because it's like you're sat next to him as he's writing his diary notes at the end of the day. It just builds up. All his peccadilloes, his sexual proclivities, he was highly sexed maniac, really, hanging around all these starlets in the movie industry that he built, and then his ability to actually construct very effective political speeches. He was in a love hate relationship with Churchill, hate mainly.
But, and and knew and was quite impressed that Churchill was able to lie even more than he was. It's really funny. It is. And and all of these sorts of things going on and their valor and their courage towards the end is quite amazing. His relationship with Hitler is remarkable to sort of read it from his direct notes. It humanizes them, which is possibly why it's not a it's a frowned upon book. It's it humanizes the whole thing. These are people with a lot of problems personally. All of the high command, just like all the others, they you know, that it's not all like in a film. And, half of them were all at each other's throats. There's a lot of ambition and competition up there at the top, and they're all trying to undermine one another. And Goebbels kinda comes out on top. Apparently, all the meetings, he was always able to really, hold his own and more than.
It's it's a it's a very strong insight into things. Also, their delusion about what happened after Stalingrad, they still thought they were gonna come back and sort of deal with the whole thing. It's it's an amazing insight as to how they operate with the information they had available at the time. So, yeah, remarkable, really. All that stuff. Anyway, I better go. What's remarkable is that I've stayed here nearly an hour longer than I'm supposed to. And I'm still here, but I've got to go now. Well, that's fine. We appreciate every second with you. I've loved it. I hope to see you soon. Yeah. I've loved it. Yeah. Thank you, Brent. Yeah. Thank you, Roger, and thank you, Paul, and everybody here. Yeah. Wonderful. Alright. Ciao, amigo.
Ciao for now. See you later. Here you go. Okay. Bye bye. Always a pleasure. Always a pleasure.
[02:58:05] Unknown:
Brent, I know you were interrupting your lunch Yeah. As we often do, And, my stomach's growling. So, I'll tell our audience we'll be back tomorrow. And, you've got, if you want to go here, Brent, you can go hear him. We're unfortunately or fortunately, depending on the week, were opposite each other. So it can be beneficial, with a simulcast, but it doesn't happen too often. Anyway, Brent's on Patriot Soapbox Saturday Sunday. And if you don't have a church home, you might certainly wanna check the Sunday edition there. And, other than that, buddy, we'll look for you next week.
[02:58:47] Unknown:
Thank you, Roger.
[02:58:49] Unknown:
Always a pleasure, Brent.
[02:58:51] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
[02:58:53] Unknown:
Thanks for letting us interrupt your lunch. We'll see you next week.
[02:58:57] Unknown:
That's alright.
[02:58:59] Unknown:
Yes, sir. What a what a treasure Brent winners. So fortunate to have him with us on a weekly basis and the knowledge and understanding. You know, the Bible says, above all, seek understanding, not knowledge, but you gotta get the knowledge to get the understanding, it seems. He's wonderful at both and, fills us. Certainly does me, anyway. Hope so with you. Anybody got anything else for me?
[02:59:28] Unknown:
Roger wait till tomorrow? Is this the yeah. Go ahead. Excuse me. Is this the Brent that teaches trust?
[02:59:36] Unknown:
Yes. Well, he he teaches it. He it's he's an attorney, and that's his specialty in his practice also.
[02:59:46] Unknown:
Great. Great.
[02:59:47] Unknown:
But he's got his website commonlawyer.com and over under winters, n I n n. He's got a number of these weekly, once a week shows that he and this constitutional sheriff in, I think he's the country's longest running elected sheriff. He's in a small county in Michigan. He's very common law, and he and Brent do these shows. He's done it on all kinds of stuff. They're all in the archives there. One of them is how to write your own trust. So he goes into what you need to do to have one lawful and legal and specific because it's an area where a lot of people have been taken advantage of, quite frankly.
[03:00:31] Unknown:
Mhmm.
[03:00:33] Unknown:
Yep.
[03:00:34] Unknown:
Yeah. I got a lot of Okay. I like a lot of. Sure.
[03:00:39] Unknown:
Okay. Well, that's a good source. If you wanna go over there, you're welcome, and good to see you back with us, Dan, and, everybody else that goes through the show. And then so these Friday shows are just real special, mainly because of Brent. And he and I have some chemistry and have for years. And then occasionally, something like today will happen where Paul, who is the father of all this stuff, he spent a year and a half reading technical manuals and freeware and to find out how we could put one of these radio stations on the air for pennies. Pennies.
K? So, I we'd so, therefore, we don't have to be begging you for money all the time. And so now we can get into these complex issues and and discuss them uninterrupted. So that's part of the method to the madness. I'll see y'all tomorrow. Have a great Friday. Okay? Ciao.
[03:01:39] Unknown:
Thank you, Raj. And I do believe that's it for the Friday edition. Good show today. Good show today. Thank you for everybody that, showed up and come on out to see us and participate. That's what makes this special is everybody working together. Catch us here Monday through Saturday, 11 AM to 1 PM Eastern on a number of platforms, eurofolkradio.com and, live.globalvoiceradio.net. You can also, join us using free conference call. Those links are on the matrix docs.com, and it's the matrix, d o c s, dot com. I have initiative mercy and a little, cold remediation to do this afternoon. So I will be leaving everything open for everybody to play and have at it in the conferences. So we've been open all day.
Thank you so much for joining us. We'll catch you later right back here on the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales. Bye now. Blasting the voice of freedom worldwide, you're listening to the Global Voice Radio Network.
[03:03:05] Unknown:
Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.
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In 10 years after from so many years ago, I used to think that was in the late seventies, but some of the listeners corrected me. And, it was in the early seventies. Good lord, mercy. What what prophecy with those lyrics? Anyway, that starts us out always for noticeable reasons, and, today will be no different. Although, we do have an alternative that we haven't slipped in in a while, Paul. We might have to throw them a curveball for the new folks here one day. Radio Ranch, Friday edition, Roger Sales and the illustrious Brent Winters as our my cohost here on Fridays. Happy to have him always, and it is 17th January.
And, we've got as I was mentioning to Francine there, we've got about 3 more days of tranquils tranquil suspense to see what is gonna come off, and are these guys gonna lay back? We know they're not gonna stop. Are they going to delay a move, or are they going to sit back and let the moment pass? Don't know. We're all gonna find out together, though. So good morning. Friday edition. We're on a number of different platforms that help spread our message all over the darn place. And, one Paul Beener is the one that keeps up with all that. It's way too much for me. So, I call him in to give them here at the start of the programs the proper credit that they have earned and and deserve from us, Paul.
[00:04:12] Unknown:
Mhmm. Yes. Good morning. We're on radiosoapbox.com. Of course, we're on 106.9 WBOU FM in Chicago. We're on Eurofolks Radio.com. Thanks to pastor Eli James. We're on Global Voice Network. I did update the links
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it goes to Patom directly and and doesn't rely on DNS or anything like that. You're going straight in the front door. We are on home network dot TV and freedom nation dot TV, go live TV and stream life dot tube, w b o u, and, home network and such. That's brought to us through WDRN productions, Port Collins, Colorano. Our website is the matrixdocs.com. You can join us live on the show using free conference call, or you can listen to the streams on Eurofocal or Global Voice Radio.
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Mhmm. We, we thank Sir Allen for that. Do we not?
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Yes. We do. WDRN productions, Fort Collins, part of the net. Actually, the driving force behind the net family of broadcast. Yikes. No. Yeah.
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It's something when you get the driving force now.
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Indeed. It would appear that
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it would appear my cohost has shown up. So let me, take a stab and say good morning, Brent.
[00:05:48] Unknown:
Good morning, Roger. Good to be here. Old Bull oh, well down on the south side of the equator.
[00:05:55] Unknown:
Pretty good. Pretty good. The weather's well, well, this is our kinda winter time of year. We you know, it's funny because, actually, we're south of the equator about 10 miles, I believe. But yet, we mimic the northern hemisphere seasons. Our summer is June, July, August usually. And, this is kinda winter, so we it's not cold or anything necessarily. A little bit sometimes. We we get a you know, like, you have a 3 dog night. Remember those guys? You know, that you've one of those nights up there in Alaska where you gotta have 3 dogs around you to keep warm? Well well, we have 3 blanket nights here occasionally. Not very often, occasionally.
But, it's still a lovely place and, glad to be here. So, we're right on the cusp of potentially some pretty gigantic changes, Brent. Well, what what, have you been talking about all week on the show? What what what are people talking about? Well, you know, there's some very interesting things that popped up this week, actually, that I'm sure you probably don't know about because I know you're always off doing other things. But, let me see if I can throw this name at you and see if it rings a bell. Billy Saul Estes. No?
Really?
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No. Billy Saul Estes. Is that it? Yeah. Uh-huh.
[00:07:16] Unknown:
Oh. That doesn't ring a bell with you? I'm sure I'm surprised. Billy Saul Estes was one of LBJ's. He had 2 right hand men, and he was one of them. And there was another guy. I think his name was Campbell, and he's the one that, LBJ elevated to head the DNC. And these were his 2 henchmen and pretty substantial, information that came out this week. Billy, I remember the name Billy Solestis from when I was a kid surrounding LBJ and Kennedy. What happened evidently, Billy Soleestis, just an old West Texas boy. And when he was young, 5 6, 7 years old, he got a pig and a baby pig, and he parlayed that into a fortune.
K? And, mainly with cotton, but all other stuff. He was I remember his grandson was the one that's telling all this, who's trying to clear the family name a little bit. And, because, what happened evidently, I had to read between the lines a little bit here, but the Kennedys went after LBJ, but they went after him through Billy Solestis. And so the he was doing a cotton thing. They were trying to bust up the cotton trust, I guess. And he came up with some scheme where he'd give the farmer'd buy the land, but he wouldn't charge him anything. And the farmer grow the cotton, and then the farmer would default on the farm payments, and Billy saw Estes get the cotton anyway. Yeah. Something like that.
Just a little backdoor deal. You know? And, so, the Kennedys went after him. And one of the things that, LBJ said was on the those bastards will never embarrass me again. And so this may have been the impetus, but what was going on here was him and this he had to go serve a little time in, Club Fed. And by the time he got out, I believe it was March of 71. Uh-huh. And him and this other guy, Campbell, got together because Campbell died in the fall of 71. So it's that little window when he got out of jail and before the other one died, and they set themselves up a dead man's trigger. Uh-huh. I know you know what that is. And they attributed that to the point that both of them lived a little bit longer. You know?
They, on this tape, discuss all that background. They absolutely finger LBJ for hiring, and they give the assassin's name, the guy that took out Kennedy, and, 14 other people, by the way. And, all this came out, and this grandson got the tapes that somebody in the family had given him. And he's just now letting him out after all these years, and they played him live this week on Alex. So, pretty big news, really. You know?
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Yeah. But Well, it's amazing to me the the length that people will go. I shouldn't say it's amazing. I should not be amazed. Lengths of people go to worship people in in the public eye. Mhmm. And the Kennedys, have enjoyed that. And there's nobody lower on, in the country than them as far as stealing money. Old man Kennedy made 2 massive fortunes worth 1,000,000,000. Yep. The first and he did it did it off of the government. The first one, he was, ambassador to Britain. Yes. And he was able and people get into office mostly for this reason, by the way. I mean, when you ask yourself, why do people go to congress, normal folk with, an income and come out millionaires and billionaires?
Are we blind? They're stealing. That's why. Well, that it was, you had to get a little higher back then. Congressman couldn't do that in the 19 thirties, but old man Kennedy made a fortune there. And then he had inside information about prohibition, and he made a fortune there. So and he had shiploads of liquor sitting offshore. Yep. And he Got Good point. Good point. And he yeah. To be more precise. And, ever since then, you make your money on that kind of stuff. This has been my observation in life and reading history. You make your money that way, hell and destruction and death will not leave your family. No. It'll follow you. It'll follow you. And we see that plainly in the Bible. God told David, king of Israel. He said, because you've done this thing, you've coveted, lied, stole, committed adultery, and murdered your neighbor, a faithful man named Uriah. You stole his wife.
For that, of course, you committed all the other breakings of the last 5 of the ten commandments in reverse order. And then he said, the the the death and the trouble and the confusion and the the fighting and the murder will not leave your house, and it didn't. It got oh, you know, for a powerful man, David, a very powerful man, never ever did David ever lose in military encounter, beginning when he was a teenage boy against Goliath and right on through. But then when it came to his family, it all went, h e, double l, in a hand basket, and there was nothing but murder and death and humiliation until he was dead.
Yeah. Yeah. Do we think, do we think that that's going to change? And the Bible says, no. The book Hebrews says, no. You think it was bad back then? This is in the new testament. The book of Hebrews said, as bad as it was back then, as tough as God was on his own people. And David was one of his men and he stayed one of his men by the way. But God put a hurting on him like he would a way and a wayward child. Then the book of Hebrews said, do you think that God is any less that way or more that way now that we have the full revelation of what he's given to us?
And if you tramp across the blood of the covenant, as it says, just walk over it like it doesn't amount to anything. It's gonna be worse for you than it was for those folk in the old testament because we have more understanding. God has revealed himself more. We, he sent folks and to us to tell us what the truth is. We go back folks, they hear what they do. Here's what they do, Roger. They live in la la land, and they they believe the light that says, go ahead, put the revolver to your head and pull the trigger. It's not loaded. It's not loaded. No, that's la la land. And most people live there. It's been my observation. And, and if you can, if you can, if you have it within you, if God has put it within you to accept reality
[00:14:08] Unknown:
and not la la land. I just went through the old testament yesterday. Let me let me hold. Let me let me see if I can hold you. I wanna make sure you've heard this. You know, 5 out of 6 people say that Russian roulette is perfectly safe.
[00:14:23] Unknown:
Well, that's la la land. They're believing the lies that are being told. Say it again. I I'm I'm supposed to make a presentation here, and I'm trying to think about what to say and, presentation not here, but later on a week or 2. And, I said, you know, I went to the old Testament yesterday and I traced the word that is translated the Hebrew word that is translated, many different ways in the King James Bible, because it just, it it's, it flows smooth. But the truth is it only means one thing. It means reality, reality, denial, denial of reality. That's all it means. It's translated more ways you can shake a stick at. So I went through and I translated it that way in every case because that's what it means.
And I was struck doing that. Of course, tracing the word through the warp and the Wolf. I think it appeared 78 times and seeing the context it's in and how it flows with the text. It drove home like a nail into my brain. And what word is this? It's a, it's a Hebrew word, that it means, it means, to deny reality. And you want me to pronounce the word course, I don't know how they used to pronounce it. I can look it up here and maybe, and you use money. You can even go to the internet now and people will, give you audios on how to pronounce the word. Do you want the word? Is that what you're after?
[00:15:51] Unknown:
Yes. Well, I but you're talking about it. I didn't I missed earlier if you gave it. I was just wondering what it was. I don't know if you're gonna get to it. Getting to it is your punch line. Don't give it to me. But, otherwise, I'm like a Cajun. I got a big curious. You know? Oh,
[00:16:08] Unknown:
you lived too long in Louisiana. Yeah. Big Cajuns have big curious. Is that what you said? Yeah. Yeah. They got a big curious. I didn't know that was a saying down there. Yeah. That's old Justin. That's old Justin Wilson.
[00:16:21] Unknown:
But they got a big they got a big curious, you know, or he'd say, yeah. That fellow moved up north, way up north around Shreveport.
[00:16:29] Unknown:
Yeah. You know what I was wondering about? I'd listened to him. I had a girlfriend when I was, young and foolish. Now I'm just old and foolish, but I had a girlfriend down south of St. Louis, long interstate 55 going down into the Bootheel. And her name, I will give you her name, but she lived on there a little town down there called Imperial. It's right. It's right in the river bottoms. And, so I'd stay, I'd stay there. I go there on a, on a Saturday, stay all day, and, you know, if you got if you're with the girl you like, you just can't leave. And so we'd stay up in the night, and we'd talk. And, yeah, don't, yeah, don't be thinking we were doing anything else. No. I wasn't old Know how to do that, and I was always scared of the girls anyway. But we'd talk and and it get later and later and later, and it'd be 2 or 3 in the morning. And we'd sit on the table and play footsie, swing our leg, you know, like young people do. And then I realized that was on Sunday night, not Saturday. Sunday night because I had to be at home, and we were supposed to we were farming then, and I was supposed to be on tractor. So I'd stay up all night, and then I'd try to drive home and drive it. And I'd open didn't have air conditioning, and the car had a 63 Chevy. And I'd open all the windows, and I'd turn the radio up full blast and try to stay awake. You know?
And I could get, Roger, I could get w w see, w w l. That's, New Orleans. Yep. Okay. Yeah. I get they they crank it up at night, see 50,000 watts, and I could get that. And then and that was a trucker station all over the country. And so I I listened to Justin Wilson. Yeah. And one night
[00:18:11] Unknown:
now are you gonna have something to say, Roger? Well, I was gonna launch off on something, but I wanna hear your story first. Oh, I know we
[00:18:18] Unknown:
oh, I was listening to Justin Wilson. He'd tell all these crazy stories. You know? And, he got to tell him about this little boy sitting on the street corner on a Sunday morning when nobody was up. And it was quiet in town. This little urchin, he called him, sitting on the street corner, and he had a bottle of turpentine. And this little about 10 years old or something, and he'd had the and he turned the bottle upside down, and all the bubbles had come up at the top, and then he'd turn it over and he'd watch the bubbles go the other way. And he just staring at it and thinking about it and trying to understand it. And and there was a new priest in town. Of course, it's down in Louisiana, so they had a parish priest there. And this new priest didn't know anybody in town, saw this little urchin setting on the street corner.
And he said, well, here's a pedagogical moment. I'm a new priest, and he was young and excited. I'll teach this boy some some mysteries of Rome, you know, and, in a in a in an easy to understand way. And he said, what you got there, boy? And he's he the boy looked up at the priest. He saw his color, and he said, preacher, he said, this here is the most powerful as liquid in the world. And the priest said, oh, no. No. No, son. He said, holy water is the most powerful liquid in the world. And, he said, well, how how powerful is it? He said, I can take a flask of holy water and pass it over the womb of a woman in labor, and she will pass a newborn baby boy or girl.
And this little 10 year old kid nodded up his eyebrows again like he's thinking. He said, as he was kind of staring off in the space, he said that ain't nothing. He said, I can just I can take just 2 drops of this stuff and put it under a cat's tail and he'll pass a motorcycle. I was laughing so hard. That woke me up. And I went home. I went I got home about daylight, and I walked in the house, and my dad and my granddad were there trying to eat breakfast and getting ready to go to the field, and I I told my granddad this joke. And my granddad, he's he was, on the Kentucky side of the family, and they were stiff up stiff upper lip kinda stoic mountain people, you know, and tobacco farmers.
And, he busted out laughing and I had never seen him laugh since I'd never seen him laugh. He just, that one made him laugh. And later on, I heard made me laugh too. I heard heard him tell it to somebody else, but that was the one time I got through my my granddad with a funny story, but it wasn't my story, of course. And like I like to say, he who never quotes, never quoted. I was quoting Justice Wilson, Justin Wilson. What I could never figure out about Wilson, if maybe you can answer this question. You know, he claimed to be a Cajun.
Yes. But his name was British Wilson. Yeah. I have I have Cajun friends. They have French names, you know, like,
[00:21:18] Unknown:
things like that. It was a stick.
[00:21:22] Unknown:
Oh, I see.
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And the reason I know that is he he's gone now. Yeah. Unfortunately, he's one of our favorite people down here. Oh. His name was Lanny. He's from Chicago. He was, say, a a a wrestler, worldwide wrestler. Oh, he was. Yeah. No. He was. His brother was real famous. He wasn't as famous, but you could go and, put put the, the genius is one of his names when he was wrestling was the genius. Oh, well, that explains the thing. Oh, was he funny? Oh, man. We miss him so much. He's just such a great guy and fun to be around. And and so he he'd say he'd say, you know, when I get up and recite all that poetry, because that was his stick, right, to do the poetry and then go do the wrestling match. Right? Oh. And he'd say, that poetry that I'd read and you go, yeah. And you go, that's the only thing that was real.
Well, I didn't know that. But I tell I'm telling you this because he was down traveling in in Louisiana and he ran into Justin Wilson in the airport. And so he goes over and starts talking to him and he's doing his Cajun stuff. And then he tells him who he is and he totally drops in and just talks to him normal. So it was a shtick. Okay. So he wasn't he wasn't from the south. He wasn't from Louisiana. Well, no, I can't say that. I think he was, but but this whole Cajun thing was a shtick. And for the people that don't know who we're talking about, he's a Cajun comedian, and he'd get on there and cook. And he'd cook all kinds of different, you know, crawfish etouffee and all that kind of stuff. And the whole time he was cooking, he'd give you these jokes and this oratory. It's quite a character.
[00:23:12] Unknown:
No. He was a good talker and he a humorous. That's the way I would describe him. Yes. Yeah. Like Will Rogers, kinda. Yeah. Oh, I'm I'm just pulling him up here because I shucks on the Internet. Why did I why haven't I looked him up? I don't know. I never did. But, he was born in Louisiana. Yeah. No. Florida. Let's see. No. Southeast Louisiana near Florida. He was a second of 7 children. Uh-huh. And from 9 his father was Louisiana commissioner of agriculture and forestry from 1916 to 1948 and a member of the Louisiana house of representatives.
[00:23:46] Unknown:
Wow. He was right there with Kingfish.
[00:23:48] Unknown:
Yeah. That explains all this bravado. You know? And like we like to say, Louisiana is the only non common law jurisdiction in the United States. And, the reason is because the, the focus settled us so heavily at the first were the same people that live up in Quebec, and they came down the river, Mississippi, trying they were trying to get away. They were trying to get away from the the British government, and they wanted their they wanted their law of the city. They didn't want law because they're, in their heart of hearts, of course, they're part of the imperial Roman church. It says here, Harry Wilson, his father was of, was of Welsh descent.
Okay. Cool. But his mother, lived in the Cajun regions of Louisiana or immigrated from France. Uh-huh. She taught her son, Justin, how to cook. Her nurse, the surname was from the from, and her people were from the Guernsey Islands over by Britain.
[00:24:50] Unknown:
Wow. But just, he's just a odd spot of different things. Just a slight correction. They they didn't necessarily come down the Mississippi. They left Nova Scotia, and they came down the eastern seaboard. And the significance of that is they stopped in Savannah, of Charleston, and some of them got off. And they stopped in Savannah, and some of them got off. And then the remainder of them went down around Florida and ended up in Louisiana. Now in in Georgia, they call them the Geechee. They're not called cages. They're called Geechee. Uh-huh. And I think the same thing in South Carolina too. Maybe Bruce, if he's with us, would know. But, anyway, yes, it's track of these people. And, exactly like Brent said, they wanted to be amongst themselves, and they wanted the law of the city, and they found, Louisiana. And it's quite a different state. Now I saw a poll over on Zero Hedge a couple years ago. It was quite interesting to me, and they had 2 different ways. They said, which state did the people like living the most in, and which state do the people like living the opposite? K. I I don't wanna say the least in, but the opposite of that. And both of them were Louisiana.
[00:26:10] Unknown:
I'll be. Well, it certainly is a different kind of place, and you know that better than most because you lived there and went to school there. Matter of fact. I did. I did. And, you get a feel for the place. You know, one of the things that I've noticed tonight, I don't know what the remedy to this is. Used to be comparative law was taught in all law schools are required course. In other words, you had to understand the difference between the law of the land and the law of the city. Mhmm. But now the only place in the country where, comparative law that is comparing the law of the land with the law of the city or common law with the civil law of Rome.
Civil canon law is the proper way to say it. The only place you, have to study that in law school is Louisiana. You have to study it there. It's required course in their law school. So folk in Louisiana know the difference and know that they are different. Mhmm. But we and the rest of the country have abandoned that and trying to understand that difference, and it will destroy us, by the way. It will destroy us. Did you know go ahead, Roger.
[00:27:11] Unknown:
There was a guy that popped up 25 years ago. Him and Beecraft got to be big buddies. Yeah. He was from up in Shreveport. He's a constitutional attorney, and he's the one that came out and beat the IRS in court. And he got a lot of attention for that, but he was a skilled attorney. He probably got him on some technicality. Uh-huh. But I tried when he first popped up, and he's coming out like everybody else. Show me the law. And I actually talked to him on the phone and tried to explain all this stuff to him. It didn't register at all. But anyway and I can't remember his name. Probably somebody in the audience can.
But he was from I think he was up up from around Shreveport, actually.
[00:27:53] Unknown:
Uh-huh. Well, there's nothing in Houston like that, but that does that way. Oh, he's crying.
[00:27:59] Unknown:
Yes. Tom Cryer because my little handle is Town Cryer. And that's right. Thank you. Is that Bob? Thank you, Bob.
[00:28:08] Unknown:
Yeah. That is, I remember Bob. Thanks. I remember that hadn't been that long ago. I was thinking way back. No, this guy went, they tried him, in the federal criminal trial. Yes. Yeah. And he beat him. Yeah. And, and the B craft was his lawyer. Yes.
[00:28:24] Unknown:
Yeah. I remember that now. And see, the thing is, is when, when we hear about a victory like that, everybody thinks, well, he beat them on the law. Well, they didn't, he didn't beat them on the law. He beat them on some technicality.
[00:28:36] Unknown:
Yeah. That's the way it works. Yep. And it and, it hasn't changed things a bit.
[00:28:43] Unknown:
May have, saved his hide, but he didn't live long after that. I remember he's gone. That's right. He died pretty quickly after that. True. Him and B Kraft were big, big buddies, I I remember.
[00:28:54] Unknown:
Well, the the common law tradition is fundamental to who we are. And as I've said I think I've said this to you before, Roger. Because the Louisiana is a law of the city instead of a law of the land jurisdiction. Louisiana didn't have a jury trial for capital crimes until after 1968.
[00:29:15] Unknown:
I remember you saying that. That's when I was there.
[00:29:19] Unknown:
Yeah. And that was at the, at the command of the Supreme Court to the United States because a fellow was tried for murder there. And he said, wait a minute. Now this, this figures right into what into your wheelhouse, Roger, He was convicted and he said, wait a minute. Of course, you know where he was going to go if they didn't execute him. He was going to go to, what's the name of that prison down there? Angola.
[00:29:43] Unknown:
Angola. It's notorious folks.
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And, they have the Angola rodeo there. That's why I know about Angola president. I had a buddy that went down to stayed with, stayed with the warden in his house, him and his wife, because, he supported their ministry. And he was a Christian man and he wanted to make sure the men in prison had access to Christianity. And, he invited him to come down and go to the Angola rodeo. That's how I heard about it and they brought, they came back with a video recording back in the days of video. And I remember watching the, of course, the rodeo poker as the climax.
No. There's 2. No. Road no. Not rodeo poker. There's 2 things at the end. One of them is rodeo poker where 4 men set in the middle of the arena with their hands on a cheap card table for convicts. And, and they turn out the biggest Douglas brain mobile you've ever seen. And this Bramer bull looking around for something, somebody's butt to kick, you know, and the man, the man that's left left sitting there. That's the way that works. You can imagine how that goes. I've never heard that. Oh, yeah. And that and, of course, they asked this one fella, my buddy, Rob, brought the video back, said, why are you doing this?
Of course, I have big crowd there, you know? And they, they collect all the guns as the people are coming into the rodeo and they've got thousands of, pistols and stuff because people carry pistols, you know, and they, they make them turn them in and then they put a tag on them and then they have ambulances all around the rodeo. Cause these guys that are doing this don't know much about rodeo. You know, they're just trying to run. That's why it's fun to watch. So I said, why are you doing this? He said, because I've got a family and I'll never be able to be with them again.
And I want my sons to know that their father is not a coward. That's what goes, that's kind of thinking that goes on and kind of side of prison. Well, the other, the other event, I forget what they call it, but what they do is they turn in this meanest biggest Brahma bull they could find and they hang between these horns, a medallion. So the medallion is hanging by little chain chains on both sides, hooked to his horns, right in the middle of his forehead. And the man that can snatch that medallion off of his Ford gets $600 that was back then.
And they asked this other fellow said, why do you do this? I said, well, two reasons. I want to give $600 to my son, my wife, and I want them to know I'm gonna I'm gonna do all I can given the circumstances I'm in to take care of them. No. What a wonderful thought. Well, so the only way well, I watched all of them try to do it. They're a bunch of convicts out there in the rodeo arena trying to get this medallion, and the only way to do it, you gotta let the bull run over you. There is no other way. I watched all of them try it. Well, they interviewed this one fella before, the event started, and they said, well, what what's your plan, you know, to do this? He said, well, he was getting real serious. He was saying, you got it. You got to get inside the head of the bull. You got to understand what he's thinking.
And then you can psyche him. You know, he had all this figured out. Well, the next scene, the next scene, they're carrying this guy out on a stretcher. Of course the same, the same newspaper reporter asked him what happened. And, he said, well, I must've miscalculated, but when he, what he would do, this guy would get down in front of the bull, head on, get down on his hands and knees. And the bull, of course, would be dragging up dirt with his front feet. You know, throwing it like that. And this guy do the same thing. He drag up dirt with his front feet and he tried to get the bull thinking he was ready to fight him. And then he jumped up and run. And just before the bull run over him, you have to reach back and try to grab this medallion and the bull bull runs over you. You know?
Yeah. That's the Angola prison, but this fella appealed his conviction for murder. It was a capital crime. And he appealed, got up to the Supreme court of the United States. And what he said in his appeal was this. He said, I'm a citizen of the state of Louisiana. The state of Louisiana doesn't provide me with jury trial because they're the Canon civil law jurisdiction. They don't have juries. The juries only exist in common law countries, and there's only a few in the world, frankly. And w w I'm, but he said, not only my citizen, Louisiana, a citizen of the United States and United States constitution in the 14th amendment, guarantees me all these things in the bill of rights. One of them is right to trial by jury.
And he said, I demand a jury trial. The Supreme court of the United States came back and said, we agree. So you're entitled to a jury trial. And they of course sent, sent the case back and threw it back below and said, give this man a jury trial. And they said, what the, what the requirements of jury trial are? Yeah. That's Louisiana that spells the difference between the law of the land and the law of the city that spells the difference between Christianity and paganism. And that spells the difference between freedom and tyranny. And And if even though those French boys down there want that civil law, you know, you go to Louisiana, the like in, the imperial church and all the countries of the world that have the law of the city, the governor is the executive power is exceedingly powerful in Louisiana like no other state. Matter of fact, he's pretty much the government.
That's what you call tyranny. Oh, they get along alright with it because like Quebec, same thing with Quebec and Canada because they're surrounded in America where they're sanctified, fact. And if it wasn't for that, I don't know what what would happen. Maybe they would live in absolute tyranny and people leave the state. I don't know. But there is this effect. Now, that comes through the 14th amendment, they said. I say, well, I don't know if that's the reason. I just know that Louisiana, as I've said before, to tap it off and top it off is a civil law jurisdiction. And by that contrast, we have along with Quebec and Canada, we should be able to see the difference and choose what is right.
Go ahead, Roger.
[00:36:04] Unknown:
I was well, I think the western provinces of Canada are trying to get take Trump up on his offer of being the 51st state. That's kinda interesting, but Louisiana was, I have very fond memories there. Of course, I wasn't aware of any of this when I was a young young man down there. But, the people are fantastic, and, they're they're very friendly. And, of course, you've got all that overriding Cajun. They you know, the people call them. There's another name for them. It's kinda like the n word to them, and that's called coonass. But they prefer to be called Cajuns.
And, it just, it it was a great experience for me in those years. Oh, I
[00:36:48] Unknown:
I'm sure. I mean, Louisiana is a place that provides a contrast because it is so different, and I've been there and never lived there. I do remember driving down the, we went down to Louisiana and then we cut across to go to my father in law's place over north of Dallas. And we went down through, Alexandria.
[00:37:09] Unknown:
Man, that's where I lived.
[00:37:11] Unknown:
Oh, okay. Well, Alexandria, Louisiana is the headquarters of the apostolic church in America. The apostolic church. Now the apostolic church in America is not Christianity, although they think they are. They are Jesus only people. They deny the Godhood of the father, the Godhood of the spirit, and they just, it, Jesus only. That's what they say. Yeah. Wow. And, I remember going through there and everywhere we went, we stopped in a restaurant or something. You see all these ladies with long dresses and their hair piled up on top of their heads. And these little fellows following these women in big print, big women in print dresses, following around with a little bow ties, you know? And, I realized it was a post all like country.
Now, if you're an apostolic and you're listening, I just strongly suggest that you, that you, search the scriptures and come to your own conclusions about who that, what I should say, what the Godhead is, What the godhead is. They're looking yesterday. No. Day before yesterday. There's one word in the New Testament. The King James version translates it godhead. And it's a word for God, but it's has a suffix on the end. That's only used in one place, Romans chapter 1, and the suffix is the suffix of agency, taste, tau, a to sigma.
And, John the Baptist, of course, he had that suffix on the end of the word, bapt, and it was Baptiste. Well, that's it. That's the suffix of agency. And so we call him John the Baptiste. That's an old word, but today we would say John the baptizer. He's the one that did the baptizing. That's called the suffix of agency. Well, this, this word for God has the suffix for agency on it. And what it's saying is God is the agent of all these things that, that are he's the agent from the Godhead. Well, who's the agent from the Godhead? Well, any of the 3 persons of the Godhead that act on behalf of the Godhead. And by the way, way the Godhead always agrees or the same mind and they, don't disagree the same will.
So if any one of the 3 persons of the Godhead does anything, they're acting as an agent with power to bind the Godhead.
[00:39:31] Unknown:
And that is true of the and that is true of the son, and that is true of the father. Go ahead, Roger. Is that like the, what we put on some of our cover letters, notice to the principal's notice to the agent, notice to the agents, notice to the principal?
[00:39:45] Unknown:
Yeah. Exactly, Roger. Thank you. And this, the law of agency is an important part of our common law tradition. And because we have in our common law tradition, what we call partnerships for one reason and a partnership is a reciprocal agency. I'm the agent of my partner. My partner is the agent to me. Yeah. Correct. Therefore, you know, therefore, we can both bind each other in contract without the other person even knowing it. That's why partnerships are dangerous and usually confined to mining partnerships are big. Of course, law lawyers have always used partnership, but there's something to hold them to decency. There are a lot of partners who have lost a lot of money in the world. Roger, are you going to say something? They generally don't work out too well as my experience.
No. That I ever tell you. I can't remember. I told you about the time I met Barry Goldwater.
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Oh, I think you did. But tell the audience again, he was quite a guy. You know, one of his sayings still lives on right now, especially what is it? Extremism
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and the defense of Liberty is no vice. Isn't that it? Yeah. Well, yeah. Of course he's quoting an ancient author who said that how, extreme is extreme virtue is no vice. Maybe you could say that about a lot of things. Extreme, devotion to Jesus Christ is no vice. You know, you can, take it the other way. Who was it that said, I'm, for moderation, especially in the case of moderation. I wanna be a moderate like Yogi Berra. Oh, it was, what was that Jewish fella that, used to be on TV, had the cigar, and he'd, what's the
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Jeb Burns?
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Well, that was one. No. It was the other one. And his other Marx Brothers, the one with the cigar.
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Uh-huh.
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Yeah. The other, you know, TV show where he'd question people. You know? Well, anyway, I Groucho? Groucho? Groucho. Yeah. He'd say, I I'm all for moderation, especially especially, when it comes to moderation, we need to be moderate about that. But, the time I met Barry, I was, in the mining business and, I was out west and I was in a little town, out in the desert near a mountain range, and I was staying in a place that had 2 or 3 units in it. And I got up one morning and rubbing my eyes and rubbing my, having my t shirt on rubbing my belly and looking out the door, had door open. And of course it was nice. It was in the southwest and it was a desert morning and it was blooming and little man walking little old man, I should say. He wasn't little, but I call him a little old man because he was humped over at a cane and he threw his face up toward me and said, how are you doing this morning, young man?
And I immediately knew who it was because Barry Goldwater has distinct features and, you can't miss it. He's kind of cut his jaw on his face or cut a certain way. And I tried not to act surprised. I said, well, I'm doing pretty good. Pretty good. How about you? You know, and I tried to engage with him and I was kind of catching my breath. I turned back in and went to my partner. There's my partner. See, that's called a reciprocal agency. We're in the mining business. And, I said, that's Barry Goldwater. He said, your kid. I said, no, he live in, he's staying right next to us.
We'll come to find out we got, we figured out what time he'd come back in the evening. He was staying there for a couple of weeks because he had a grandson that was in a, a dude ranch, a drug rehabilitation dude ranch outside of town. Okay. So him and his daughter and his son-in-law were there. We figured out what time he'd come back in the evening. We tried to make a point of being there. Well, what I found out, of course, I shouldn't have been surprised, but I'd never been in politics at that point in my life. And I found out if a man is really good in politics and get someplace, he, he knows how to talk. And this man, he, you turn him on, you couldn't shut him off, but you didn't wanna shut him off because he'd tell story after story after story. So he got, one night we came back down off the hill, we called it up in the mountains there and he has the mountains Canyon and, and he was there and he said, what's your boys doing way out here? I've seen your license plates. And he were back in the Midwest, you know?
And he said, my mother, he said, my mother was the 1st registered nurse in the Arizona territory. And he said she was from Galesburg, Illinois, which is up on the Mississippi River. And he said, my mother, you know, she's, she's not Jewish, but I my father is. She he told us. And he just oh, no. He told us about being in the the the deepest and the biggest mine. A gold mine in Arizona was the the the, the oh, it was called the not the buzzard. It had to do with a buzzard, but, or a vulture vulture. That's what it was. The vulture mine. It was discovered by, by an Austrian immigrant by the name of, Henry Wickenburg.
Well, Henry, he gave up. His partners abandoned him, you know, left him with all the debts. He's setting out in the middle of the desert and there's a rock, what a Welshman calls a tour, a tour rock sticking up out of the ground. And he sat in there and he noticed that the vultures were starting to gather around him. He didn't know where he was. And of course, he was out in the middle of the howling wilderness. He threw a rock at 1 of the vultures sitting on this ledge sticking up out of the desert, and, then he walked over there and broke off a piece of rock and he saw a little bit of color in it, and it was gold.
Well, long story short, he went back and began to chip that rock and went to find, a settlement of civilization and got him some from the Apaches lived on the Hasseampa there. Hassayampa means upside down in in Apache, by the way. Hassayampa, upside down called the and the river there was called the Hassayampa because it would flow, and it still does. You can see it. It flows on top of the riverbed, and then it disappears underneath the riverbed, and then it comes back up again and flows a while. You know? So they call it the Haciampa, but he started working on that ledge. He was down with his hands and knees, busting that up and gathering that ore and trying to get it to an Erastus to be drugged out and busted up. That's the way they used to bust them up, in a a Erastus, which is a con, contraption where a donkey or a mule drags rocks around and around around, on the end of the attached to end of a pole and it bust up the ore, and and you can run it through a a a pan or run it through it. You can pan it and get the gold out.
Well, he, started in. That mine became big, and it was the biggest gold producer in the country for years, and then they it ran until World War 2, and they shut it down as an as a non essential industry. It's still there. And it's been worked some since then, but he told me that his father, so he came there and Henry Wickenburg owed his father $30,000 that's the story told me. And so Henry couldn't pay him. He was gold miners this way. The people who discover a lot of gold often die penniless. It's a Yeah. Odd law of nature. I apologize.
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Can I insert
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Oh, well, and I suppose Roger is okay with you as well? That's Alan. Yeah. Which guy? Is that Alan?
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This is very strange, and let me tell you why. You started this conversation with Galesburg, Illinois. That is my family's seat on my mother's side. Yeah. And, I don't know what my grandmother's maiden name was, but my mother's maiden name was spelled german. And my grandfather, even though we never actually found out what he did, he was already very elderly. He he passed away, I believe, in the mid eighties, okay, from smoking and stuff. But, his stories to the family are are hitting key points that you're talking about, and he may have been one of the minors that was employed at that mine.
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And that was
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Brent. Reason for his health being, as bad as it was.
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Yeah. Galesburg and all of the what they call Rock Island up on the Mississippi River and Rock Island, Rock Island. There was an island. I was gonna say the Rock Island Island, but it already we call it Rock Island, but, yeah, it's a colorful place up there in a lot of ways. A lot of Swedes a lot of Swedes settled up in there, but there were also a lot of Presbyterian set up settled up in there, and there's a one of the big Presbyterian colleges up there, a conservative place, but also it's a rough and tumble area. Galesburg plus the Quad Cities, Galesburg, Little Inland. When I was, growing up, we drove up to Galesburg one time, my dad and I, and had to borrow a big grain truck, and we were gonna get a load of of, a sow crates for hogs.
And I remember we drove all the way up there, and I didn't understand that that's up in the open prairie. We're talking the richest dirt in the world up through there. The blackest and richest and the deepest, even more so than highway, topsoil. But, the wind was blowing, and there was a the heater didn't work in that green truck. And, it had a mouse nest in it that happens often back in that part of the world. And the mouse well, they built a big nest in there, and it wouldn't blow. You know? Lucky it didn't start on fire. But it was down to about 0 that day or below up up through there. We're going up north, and we had on about 2 or 3 pair of overalls. I remember that, and we like to froze to death, but we made it back. That's the way it works. Well, Galesburg, his mother was from there, but his father was Jewish.
His name was Gold Wasser Gold Wasser, and I believe he was Hungarian. Hungarian Jew is the way he told me the story. So his his father had a partner, and they had a so not far from where that was, Prescott, Arizona, and his father had a dry goods store. He was a merchant, which is what Jewish people did when they immigrated to America. And he had a partner in his dry goods store in, Prescott. And, his partner, I think, bought a lot of merchandise and got in debt. His partner, took all their money and, absconded. He would and he had, of course, contracted and bound in in contract, Barry Goldwater's father.
Of course, they changed their name to Goldwater from Goldwater because that didn't sound very American. So it means Goldwater, by the way. I I think Goldwasser does. It's a German word. You know? They were in Bulgaria, there's a German section, and there's the other section, and I think it they were from the German section of hung Hungary.
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Well I can't snipe one last Go ahead. I I wanna tell you. I I the the story that you're telling is so validated with me. It is not funny. You're talking about things that I'm very familiar with. I spent over 7, 8 years, in, Galesburg in the first spurt and then another 4 years in the second spurt that I that I lived in Galesburg. And, again, I I know the the names that you're mentioning are are literally above the jewelers in in Galesburg back when I lived there and things of that. These are people I know either personally or their descendants. Literally.
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You know, the sure what your time but if it's or thereabout
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for the for the activities. Dude, I know I know their grandchildren.
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Well, well, I've worked cast with a wide net, I guess. But, you know, I said
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than that. I I just don't see it.
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Well, it said the Swedes settled up through there. A lot of Swedes settled in from the North Central Illinois on across. And, like Carl Sandberg, see? I take it he was a Swede. He was from there. The German the German side of Switzerland. You know, there's a French side of Switzerland and the German side. And and, so the German names come from the German side, but like Hungary, same thing. There's a German side and the Hungarian side is split. But, he said that his father, of course, he was, Jewish and his, partner absconded with all the money. Well, by the time Barry came along, he told us his whole life story. This was fascinating to hear it from his own mouth. There's a man that ran for president, the United States in 19 6 4 against, Lyndon Johnson. Mhmm. Well, and by the way, the reason that happened was because a woman that lived in Alton, Illinois, which is just south of Galesburg, Alton, Illinois, North of St. Louis on the Mississippi River, and her name was Phyllis Schlafly. And she's the reason that Goldwater calls the Republican convention was in San Francisco that year, and she's the one. She was younger then. She's gone now. But she's the one that organized, organized, Barry Goldwater being, brought in. She's an arch conservative from, Alton, Illinois. Alton, Illinois is also the place. This is kinda I don't know how things work out this way. Alton, Illinois, Buddy Ebsons from Alton, Illinois.
You know, the Beverly Hillbillies guy. Right. And then, the big man himself. What was his name? That great big fella that used to be in, Cheyenne summer back in the 19 fifties, the TV show. And then he Oh, hoss? No. Shucks. They called him the big man himself because he was 6 foot 6, and he was big. And not only tall, he was broad. You know, he was huge. And, Walker, Clint Walker. Oh, okay. Yeah. Clint Walker, Alton, Illinois, and, also buddy Epson and buddy Epson, by the way, is a Danish immigrant. His father immigrant immigrated from, from, Denmark and settled in Alton, Illinois.
Well, any rate, getting back to Barry. So his father was a Jewish. So when Barry was old enough, they still had that dry goods store in Prescott, but he was making a little money and, he wanted to make more money. And, he decided he'd move to Scottsdale and move his whole caboodle to Scottsdale, and he'd start selling whim women's lingerie and beautiful women's clothes because that's where the big money is. And he opened up a department store somehow called Goldwater's department store. I think it's still there. I I don't know. But, he began to make a lot of money and Everett Dirkson, there's another fellow from back near Galesburg. He was Pekin, Illinois, which is not far from Peoria and Galesburg be off of the west.
But, he got to be friends with Barry and he talked him into running for us Senate. And that's how that happened because he, he got concerned. He was conservative minded Barry Goldwater, but he here's the story he told me that I wanted to get to that made me laugh. And I, I used to tell this story when I was running for Congress. And the reason I told this story was because, because Barry Goldwater himself told it to me and he did. I'm not just coming up with this. This was his story. So I preface it with this. He got to Scottsdale and of course he got been making good money, and they're trying to get him into politics. And he was out the country cub club, but in with the, where the eat like we used to say, where the elite meat eat pigs feet out at the country club. In Scottsdale, a lot smaller, but there are a lot of rich people there.
And, he was playing golf, and he wanted to join the country club, but it's one of these kind of country clubs back in them days. You didn't you didn't join that country club unless there was an opening, and that meant somebody had to die. And not only that, that was the first requirement. The second requirement was, they had to invite you. And there are a lot of folk wanting to get in, see. So he was playing golf with them, though. He'd play there, and sometimes if he would come as a guest. And and he wanted to be in that country club because that was be a position of influence, and he was trying to get into politics. So he was playing, 18 holes with one of his buddies, he said, and they're walking down the fairway. And finally, his buddy, another businessman there in, Scottsdale put his arm around him as they're walking and said, dangammit, Barry. He said, I sure sure like you, and I want you to know all the boys here at the country club like you do.
And we want you to be a member of this country club. But doggone it, he said, you know what the problem is? And Barry said, what? He said, you're half Jew.
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Oh, God.
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Very, very sad. Very sad. Very sad. That depressing. He was telling me this story. He was but all he was doing was spinning a story, but I I believe the story was true. He said it was true. He said it really got him down when he heard that. But he said, then this guy said to him, but don't worry, Barry. Don't worry. He said, I've I've been talking to the boys at the country club, and I think we got a deal worked out where we can get you in the country club. And, and, he said, what is it? And he said, well, he said, there are 18 holes at this golf course.
And, I got it worked out since you're half Jew. The boy said you can join, but you can only play 9 holes. That's how he says he got into the Scottsdale country club.
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That's out of the mouth of Goldwater. Did he get to alternate them even hot on other days or something?
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Well, I, you know, I think probably that that probably was a story that was true. The part about him, the, and I believe that the fellow told him that as a joke, they kinda probably that's the way guys do, you know? Right. Right. Of course. Yeah. And and, and they probably let him in. He could probably play all holes and all that because he was, he was very well liked. And the reason he was well liked, of course, because he was friendly to people. He was in business. But his father lost his whole fortune that he whatever he made there in Prescott because his partner absconded with the money. That's the danger of partnerships.
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Yes. It is. Yeah. I remember his campaign when I was young. I remember the atomic bomb. I'll get you oh, you gotta get rid of Chicago. Yeah. Yeah. We gotta get rid of Chicago, and Brett's gotta talk about common share.com for about a long minute. Tell this story. I'll tell it when we get back. Go ahead and do the, 4 validates. Would you, Paul?
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Go ahead, Paul. Yeah.
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Go go ahead, Brent. Talk about commonlawyer.com.
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This is Brent. Brent Allen Winters, common lawyer.com, and here we are trying to get rid of the people we don't go wanna get rid of, the people in Chicago. But You're right. That we're talking about here. Yeah. This is Brent. Brent Allen Winters, common lawyer.com. Www. Commonlawyer.com. And I'm, by the way, from down in the Wabash Valley, catty cornered across from Galesburg down that way on the other end of this state. And, commonlawyer.com. And go to the website, commonlawyer.com. You can catch us 5, 6, 7 days a week on public platforms and different places, and you can listen. And we talk about the laws of nature and the laws of nature is God. The laws of nature out of the our declaration of 76, our common law, and the laws of nature's God, the Bible. That's the definition of those two phrases according to William Blackstone in the year 17/65.
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Alright. 106.9 wboufmchicagoandradiosoapbox.com. Thank you for joining us. If you file wanna follow us into the second hour and get the rest of Roger's story, Go to the matrixstocks.com, and you can use one of the links there. Thank you. Mimicking
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another famous Chicago and Paul Harvey. Right? I remember that. I think it was the 60 when he ran against LBJ
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Goldwater? 60. 64.
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That's what I thought. 64. And he was very conservative. And, of course, the what I remember is the Democrats' response. And I think you'll remember this, Brent. Oh, I do. I do. Yeah. You know what I'm talking about already, don't you? That
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that was the little Television.
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Yeah. The little girl with the daisy picking the leaves off the daisy and the atomic bomb going off in the background. And the saying was, in your guts, you know he's nuts.
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Yeah. Well, he had advocated that time. That was this is my first meaningful experience such as trying to understand politics. My first one was I watched I watched we just got electricity where I lived, and we got a television. And dad hooked it up, and we watched the debates between Richard Nixon and, Kennedy and Jack Kennedy. Right? That was my first memory of television. And, then after that in 64, I began to understand a little bit, but I remember, Goldwater, during the campaign said that he would consider tactical nuclear weapons to end the problem in Vietnam.
And that's what they hung their hat on and destroyed him. And that's what lost him the election. No question. Yeah. And that commercial,
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that one commercial, I know people in the audience remember it, but I was really young. I think we were in Alaska then. But I've got memories all the way back to the mid fifties. Keep in mind, I was born on a 48 model. I've got memories of some of those, conventions in the fifties with, like, Adlai Stevenson and Wow. Winning against Eisenhower and some of that. Very vague, but I have memories of that actually.
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Uh-huh. Well, politics, was always to us a thing apart and my family wasn't involved in politics. All I knew about is what I heard and read, but I heard and read a lot. You couldn't help but hear. I remember, Roger, of course, you do too, where you were when Jack Kennedy was shot. Absolutely.
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Were you in school someplace? I was in, 9th grade geometry class in Anchorage. Yeah. And the teacher came in and No. They threw on the PA system, and everybody got it at the same time.
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Uh-huh. And we I was in grade school at the time, and we got it. And it, came in. And and then the talk, the talk was incessant. Never stopped people talking about it. What happened? And I, got out of school that evening and people were talking about Oswald and I heard you know, it was, it was intended. Of course the whole thing was intended to snatch our attention. That's part of the evils of politics and whoever did it, wanted to distract us with it and not on and get rid of him. No question. And, the, oh, what's his name?
I mean, my mind races and I say, oh, but Johnson, I knew who Johnson was. We called him uncle Lindy back then. Right. Right. Right. He was dangerous. And I remember, of course, I would hear commentary from men in the barbershop. Remember how only men went to barbershops?
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Correct.
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Yeah. And, of course, no women went there, and we'd sit in there. I listened to the old men talk in the barbershop.
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Yep.
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And I had to wait a half hour, an hour and a half. You know, there's always a long line. We only had 1 barbershop in town.
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It's called job security.
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Yeah. We had a barber. His name was, James. The last name was James, and, he had a wooden leg. And the reason he had a wooden leg, I couldn't understand as I get older. How could a guy stand on a wooden leg all day like that every day? But he did did a good job too. But when he was 18 years old, he got shipped to France. They put him in a he told me the story himself. When I I got older, we'd I'd talked to him, you know, and he was older and put him in a dually truck with a bunch of other kids with rifles. And the guy driving the dually truck drove this drove up this road wherever it was where the battle of the bulge was. And he said, get your carcasses out of here. I'm out of here. He wanted out of there, the truck driver. Yeah. Absolutely. He said he jumped out of the back of the truck. There was an explosion.
And when he woke up, his leg was mangled. He said that they shipped me out of there, and that was my own experience in World War 2. Oh my goodness gracious. His leg off. That's that's the ugliness of war. Uh-huh. But everybody in town liked him just because he was he he knew how to act. He was quiet. He made he listened to the political talk, but he never I noticed he never, never participated in it because if he would have see, he would have heard his business. Yes. Yeah. And he was always kind, but I listened to men talk and LBJ. Here's what LBJ wanted to do. Number 1, LBJ hated people that weren't white. I mean, he hated them. I have a recording of some place. What's that?
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And that's very unusual because he was very close to Billy Soule Estes, and his grandson made a point of talking about how good Billy Soule Estes was to the black community. And when he died, they were overwhelmingly numbers of blacks at his funeral. And yet he was so tight with Johnson, who for, you know, for what you're saying was very, very discriminating.
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Well, Johnson got what he wanted. He got the affection of the of folks that were black. Sure. And he's I've got a recording on a hard drive somewhere. Uh-huh. Because I I got it before they took it down. It was LBJ on the telephone talking, yeah, talking to the head of the democratic machine. And he said, if we get these and he used the n word Yes. He did. He's, vote he voting democratic. He said, we'll get him voting democratic with this, what they call the new society. Yes. The great no. The great he said. What? The great society. Well yeah. And he did get what he what he was after politically. All he has to do is give that's what politics is. That's all politics is. It ain't nothing else. You give people money and benefits, and they vote for you. That's it. Yep. Hope they can say in that West Texas accent,
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the great society
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draw it out. You know? And then he'd get up and and on the TV or in front of Congress say, my fellow Americans. Right. Boy, my, my, my parents and the people at home that they just want to throw up. I was down. I was down at my granddad's house back when Lindy was president, we called him uncle Lindy. And we were sitting down the bottom where dad grew up, my granddad, and that's where my grandma and grandpa lived. And and we were sitting around the table, and I I would about I don't know how old I was. I was a young teenager, I think, and I heard my my father or my granddad say to my dad, and my grandma was sitting there, and I was sitting there. Dad was sitting there. Grandma always had a checker cloth table on the on the table.
And, that's the thing that pops into my head when I think about going down the bottom. Well, my granddad said to my dad junior, because he was named after my dad. So until grandpa died, everybody called my dad junior. He didn't like it, but that's what they called him. You know? And he said junior, if we do this, there'll be control in everything we do. And, I said, I said, dad, what's he mean? What grandpa mean? What's he talking about? And he said, well, you just shut up and listen. Oh, he didn't say that dad never said shut up. He said, you shut your tater trap. That's the way dad said it. You shut your tater trap and listen, and you'll figure it out. And so, I'm, I've tried to do that ever since, but I, my mother used to say, Brent, whatever you do, don't be entering a room mouth first. 1st. Right. Right.
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Right. I think I well, this isn't on LBJ. It's on Roosevelt, but I think I told you his name came up a couple of weeks ago, Harvey. Harvey's cousin, Chris Yeah. Is a spitting image of the Marlboro man. Okay? I mean, that mustache and everything. Okay? Uh-huh. And very kind of soft spoken and deliberate. And so after one of the Patriot meetings one night, we're sitting over at the Waffle House having coffee and talking as was as was our habit. And, Roosevelt came up, and Chris just kinda in that drawl, he said, the whole time I was coming up, I thought Roosevelt's first name was Dan.
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Yeah. Well, that's the way my my great granddad, his on his cane, he had carved on his cane that this stick is for beating new deal Democrats. That's how much they were hated, but, but they had more power. No, no, nonetheless. And we are living now. We are living now in that world that we are created. Yes. I'm not, dad always said, we'll never see the end of it. He said that we're you're you'll suffer. Your children will, will suffer. Well, anyhow, I was getting back to the grandpa saying, if we do this, they'll control everything we do. Well, what it was, the new deal or the new deal, what they call it, you said the great system. The raw deal. The there's 3, the new deal, the raw deal, or the Jew deal. Pay, take your pick. Well, what, what uncle Lindy said was, if you farmers out here will sign your ground up and not farm it, that will raise the prices of agricultural products. And, you can get paid for not farming your ground. All you gotta do is go down to the County. And they, of course, Roosevelt had, that was the way Roosevelt got into every County of federal control in every County in the United States was by putting an ASCS office in every county under the department of agriculture and people think, oh, that was to help the farmer. No, no, no, no. That's from where all welfare was distributed food stamps.
We had a little town, a little town we had there, you know, that Roger, this machine you've seen these things we used to have where you could put quarters tubes, you'd put quarters and dimes and nickels in, and it'd say $10 of quarters or whatever.
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Sure. A little paper, paper, a flat things. You open them up and,
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roll up your coin. The guy that invented those lived in this little town of about 1200 people or just north of moonshine where we lived. And he, he, he built a machine that would, that would, he made them. Then he put them on a giant roll and he built a machine that this thing would spin and a knife would come around and cut them off at the right, the right place. So you'd have all these tapes. And he got, he got a contract with the federal government also to print food stamps. And he had contracts get this, this out in the middle of nowhere, back in the Midwest, he had contracts with casinos in, in loss, in Las Vegas and places in Nevada to provide those, those tubes to them for boys. Then he got a contract with the federal government to produce food stamps, a little printing place, and a guy made a fortune. Well I'm sure he did. He put he put those ASCS offices in each county, not for the purposes of helping the farmer.
Oh, they they acted like they did that, and they had these things you could sign up for, like signing up, not farming your ground, and that destroyed agriculture because what it did was and people do that now. There's not a farmer of any means in America. In my part of the world, you can go to the Internet now and look it up. Every person that's getting money from the federal government for not farming their land. And I remember when I was running for office, I was all for the farmer, you know. And I talk about the prices of corn and beans and wheat and hog bellies and all that, and I tried to keep up with that stuff. And and the people in the cities where they were towns, there was a big town there.
People, well, ADM was around there where I was running that. And the people were very unionized and they hated farmers. And I couldn't understand why they hated farmers. Well, the reason they hated farmers because farmers are some of the largest welfare recipients in the United States. And they're the ones that are complaining about welfare. See that. And when I was in politics, the farmers were complaining about these no loads. Well, it just depends upon, what kind of welfare you're getting and the evil empire and the useful idiots of the evil empire and the evil one himself want us all on some kind of FFA federal financial assistance, because once they have us on FFA, everything from social security to whatever, no matter what you say and how conservative you act, you you don't wanna give that up. And there's not a farmer that I could see hardly back home that wasn't getting upwards. I'm talking about, not large farmers, not small farmers, just medium farmers making a living, getting in the neighborhood of $1,000,000 a year to do nothing.
$1,000,000 a year. Well, that destroys destroys everything. Once the government gets involved yeah. Roger, go ahead. I was gonna say it distorts.
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And I also wanted to say your definition of the distributor of wealth
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is Satan. Go ahead. No. That's good. No. I'm gonna can that one and use it distort. That's a better word because that's related to the word, of course, tort, and it's related to the word torque, and print, which means to twist things so they're out of whack and they don't work anymore. And that's what they've done. We had a fellow at home. Oh, he thought he was big deal. They called him the groundhog, Roger, the groundhog, because he used to say it. Look. I'm not greedy. I just want the land that joins mine, you know, and he Yeah. But now he owns, but nearly the whole county, him and another fella that got a lot of money, and they don't even care to pay for land. Somebody's gonna say something. Go ahead. Got something to inject here, Paul.
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Yeah. It it was sheer brilliance that that barber that would not talk about anything political because it would alienate some of his customers. That never happens in Britain, particularly these days. And because they've got Keir Starmer, the farmer harmer. And, he's universally hated by everybody and and enjoyed because every time he opens his mouth, it's comedic gold. I don't know. I wonder if Paul might have something to say about that. But I mean, everything you're talking about is is just like well within that those lines. And Paul did join us
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in this I'm not far away. As well? Well, there's well, look who's here. Joe too. Paul is with us, and he's gone now? What, Paul?
[01:15:47] Unknown:
No. I'm still here. Hey, you rascal.
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Happy New Year.
[01:15:52] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Happy New Year to to you lot. There we go. I hope you I should imagine you're almost as happy over there as we are over here. We're all very happy over here. We'll find out in a couple of days. Yeah. Oh oh, yeah. It'll be what is it? Is it on a Monday? Monday takes place. 1 night 1, I think. 1 EST, I believe. No. It's gonna be miserable Monday, isn't it, really? Sorry.
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I don't know. Some of your conservative Brits wanted to come over, and, they're they're they messed with their visas. I don't know if they made it or not.
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Well, I don't know whether that's a blessing in disguise, frankly. I'm sorry. I'm so cynical. I'm I'm gone, Rene. I'm just Yeah. Yeah. You know, I don't look to the political sphere for any solutions at all. I really never have, and now I just look for them for more problems masquerading. It's like watching a football game, Paul. Come on.
[01:16:46] Unknown:
What what's that? What's a football game? Oh, yeah. I remember that. Right. Okay. Yeah. Well, what a pleasure to have you. We keep telling Paul to invite you and get you over here. And, there's probably a number of folks on the forum here that don't know you and and never heard you before because we got some new folks. So this is our mentor. This is daddy right here for us. I do think so. I'm quite young, you know. I'm younger than all of you. Well, it's just a sacrifice from getting, I I don't mean to steal your story here, but, abbreviate it possibly. You were in the middle of one of these fights of over a dwelling, and it seems that every person you ran into was from a specific ethnic, group. And you finally got the idea, and you started wanting to do something motivated and took quite a while out of your life to find all this software that allows us to do this the way we do it, freeware. So thank you, Paul. This is Paul English, some of the new folks.
He's a really important guy in our world, and we're always glad to have him.
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Well, it's always good to be here. I I tend to not want to butt in. I I do sort float by sometimes on a Friday. But you're so immersed in talking about things. And I just get drawn into acting as a listener, so I just stay shmum, you know. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. So that's kinda what's going on. But, yeah. It's all fun and games here this year. And, of course, we're not getting a new president on Monday. But we sure would like to get rid of the existing prime minister on Monday. That would be great. That would make it a good day. Maybe someone can finally just, you know, relieve us of the stress. Point I was trying to miss for a short one.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Well, aren't you weren't you from Yorkshire?
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Yorkshire? I still am, actually. I think I will be for my entire life. Well, some of the clips ever gonna change. But yeah. Well, some of the clips I've seen are saying these one of the big grooming gangs is in West Yorkshire. I think, well, I think that's where Paul's from. So That's right. Well, the biggest ones will be there because they, they ported all the Muslims into Yorkshire first to destroy Bradford
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I see. Which is,
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so yeah. If you a bit like, you know, I think I've mentioned before, in my this is just a sort of layman's take on it, but I've always had the view that Texas is a very distinct state within the all all of your states. You know, Texans well, Yorkshire is exactly occupies a similar role. Okay. And, in in English culture, it does. And, so because the culture in Yorkshire was pretty strong, I don't mean to say it was necessarily all good, but it was and cohesive. They broke it up by, in the sixties late sixties and early seventies, just, sending lots of Muslims into Bradford, which is about 3 or 4 miles, 6 miles south of Leeds. They're they almost merged together now into a big sort of metropolitan area.
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Wasn't it specifically Pakistanis? Yeah. 1 ethnic
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Islam group. That's right. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. They're fine people, apparently, according to someone, but not me. So, yeah. They, and, this unfortunately, these sick events have been going on for decades. This is nothing new.
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Yes. Protect them. This guy, Starmer, is the one that was protecting it all that time. Wasn't he a judge or something?
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Yep. Yeah. He's been part of it. He's not the only one. There's just a lot you know, they hand the baton of, traitorous leadership down the line. It's been going on for decades. Yes. And, it's just matured and matured and matured. It's just it's a very sick situation, far worse than the news, of course, or even reporting it. I don't even mean in terms of the numbers, although they are horrific. But, and in terms of there literally being no concern whatsoever for the victims, they can't do that from their point of view, obviously, because they opened up a can of worms, which they won't recover from. So, you know, we're talk we've mentioned this. Obviously, you'll mention it here. I still maintain the great power of the media is what they omit. It's not even the lies that they suggest. It's the truths that they won't display. And this is a case in point very much. And, so it's been yeah. It's a it's a rotten foul. You know, I'm gonna run out of adjectives to describe it, but it's disgusting. And and last week, I think it was a week ago, they, had a vote. You know, these meaningful votes that they have in the houses of commons. And 364 MPs decided to not have an inquiry into this, of which my local MP I'm saying mine. I don't want her. She's not mine at all. I didn't vote for her or anything. But the the one that's here I mean, I just want them sort of taken out to the tip and just disposed of. They're a menace, these people. But, she she said she voted for that too. Now that's 364 people waging war on the British.
That's the way I phrase it. They're they're literally waging war on the indigenous people of these islands. Yep. And that that happened on Wednesday and there hasn't been a squeak out of the media about it since. It's just down the memory hole. And we've got some other thing to be dramatically distracted by, but, it's a major thing.
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I I keep having I mentioned it to Paul, and he's always so busy. I know he comes over there and helps y'all out on Thursdays, but how exactly did you and Eli cross paths?
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It well, I I think I chased him up at the time. It would be about 12 years ago when I first made connection with him, about 2012. Oh. It's further 13 years now, isn't it? Good grief. It is. It would be round about that period. I was just ploughing through loads of books on banking,
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as you do, you know, for fun and leisure and all that kind of stuff. And,
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you don't you don't have to do too much of that before you bump into biblical laws about honest money. And, so I couldn't get away from that because many of the, you know, the whole history of it from Babylon to this day, of course, encompasses that that time period. Yep. So it was, impossible to avoid, thankfully. So, bizarrely, I got brought to looking at the Bible, because I was looking at banking. It's an odd route, maybe. I don't know. Maybe other people have taken it. That's what I wanted to get there.
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Uh-huh.
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Wow. I just wanted to know how they did it in the past, and why is it not working now. And, of course, I was droning on about it last night. I'm even I'm even exhausted with myself banging on about it all the time. So I've gotta give it a break. Well, you sort of stew in your own juices, don't you? You go a bit stale. It's really, really awkward when it's going on. But, you know, there's just a long line of historical failures around getting the bank sorted out and getting it kicked in the nudges. And that's really you know, I've still maintained that we have to do that before we have to do anything else. There are other much more dramatic things, terrible things taking place, but they're able to persist
[01:23:40] Unknown:
all the time because the the bank's not being sorted out. It's as simple as that. I think Brent, did you say here one day that that's one of the eternal struggles is the banker overcoming the bankers?
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Well, let me quote let me quote a a an an Englishman since we have one here. Oh, by the way, I wanted to mention quickly, and this is just a side that you were talking about, Bradford, so I got on the map. Yeah. I like I like geography. And, you know, I never noticed, but anything north of Bradford and Leeds and York well, anything north there's just not much up there, is there, north of those places?
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No. Not as much. No. There's Northumberland, and you've got Newcastle, which was a big industrial place and, pretty strong at one point. So, but those are they're kinda like the last big
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enclaves of of Englishmen before you get to Scotland. Yeah. It looks like it's just up there is what it looks like. I'm looking at the satellite map. But, well, the geography, but I see that. I've never noticed it before, and it's a long way to the Scottish border, and there's just nothing there much. But an enclave, as you said, at Middlesborough, right, yeah, on Darlington. Well Yeah. About usury. Of course, my mind gets to I've gotten down in that rabbit hole and kicking around and biblically, like like Paul is saying, and try to get to the bottom line. And to quote the Englishman, his name was, Acton.
I believe he's Acton. Lord they call him Lord Acton, but it was, Dalberg Emerick Acton.
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And he said That's a good name for you.
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Yeah. That's a good one. All of his answers. Yeah. Yeah. But he he but a consummate historian, a Romanist, by the way, but a very conservative Romanist. He's the one that said power corrupts and absolute power corrupts. But, anyway, getting back to the banking part of it, he said sooner or later I think I'm quoting almost exactly. Sooner or later, the issue between the people and the banks will have to be settled.
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And they never The issue that's come down through the ages, he said. Something like that. That's good. Yeah. You've got it more precise.
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Right. Yeah. The issue that's come down through the ages, sooner or later, will have to be settled. And it hasn't been settled. And when I think this is my take on the calculus of what I brought into my mind over the years. When you say that the the the MPs and and the press won't say anything about it, about what they're doing. Mhmm. This is all about usury. This is not about anything else, and there's no accident that in the Bible, that is fundamental. And if you have user usury is a tool of warfare. That we're yeah. We're and this is the biblical point of view. I'm trying to well, I understand about it. If you disagree, tell me, but it's a tool of warfare and we're to use it on our enemies. We are to be that's why the Bible says we are to be the head and not the tail.
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That's right. Yeah. Well, go ahead, Paul. I I like to take a break. I'd call you back. Touched on so many. You've sparked me off on so many different things there, but, you're absolutely spot on. The, we were talking about it last night, really. We were actually talking about as well as a modern example of something very, a very strong banking structure is in North Dakota. Yes.
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It's been there almost a 100 years or more.
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If every state in America ran its bank like the Bank of North Dakota I'm just giggling because you know that will happen. Right? Yep. I mean, it might do. It's just gonna require some massive sort of emotional and spiritual regeneration on a huge level. But, you'd be sorted out in a matter of months, probably. I mean, it it's, Ellen Browner wrote a book called The Web of Debt, I think, which is all about the Federal Reserve. There's a lot of these books and, you know, I'm not recommending anyone over any other. Just, you know, if you're interested, you will have already read some and so on. But she's just written an article about it, and it's very sort of scholarly and precise and useful because it got data in there. But the the whole the thing I've been banging on about recently over the last couple of years is, and this is equally applicable, obviously, to people in America, is you are, an American national.
You are of the nation of America. I'm English. I'm of the nation of England. Not that it seems to count for much these days, but I am. And all the people I live with, the ones that I relate to anyway, I don't relate to the, the aliens that are currently here. We don't own the bank. And this is the bit that strikes me as the simplest way to get the point across. I'm looking for the shortest sentences to try and set people on fire, but it's really difficult around money. It's because it's I think there's so much emotional baggage that people have, understandably, about finance. Because whenever you bring it up, the first thing that arises in them, understandably, is I've never had enough. I haven't got enough money. There's always too many bills, and don't remind me of this because my entire life is spent firefighting dealing with the bills. And this goes for the vast majority of us. Yep. And yet so therefore, none of them have been taught about it. None of them understand the biblical roots of it, which are very simple and direct as well, and what the solution is. And the Bank of North Dakota is right on the line of the solution. It might not be completely perfect, but is it?
Right now, existing today, in North Dakota, a state that's as big as England, I understand from its square mileage, possibly even bigger. We're a tiny little place here. And there's only 800,000 people live there. Mhmm. And it works. And they are more profitable than any commercial bank. They don't get involved in derivatives or speculative gambling. This is another thing. Stock exchanges and all this stuff need shutting down in their current form. They're just looting the people's pockets by everybody out gambling. That's all it is Yep. For exchange. All this stuff is just gambling. It's nonsense. And it's the same spiritual decay as Christ confronted with the money changers.
And, I've got a book here, Brent, which you may not have heard of on my shelf called and forgive them their debts by, a living American economist called Michael Hudson, who's quite brilliant. He's and, he's on with,
[01:30:05] Unknown:
with our Bitcoin guy, Max Keiser, all the time.
[01:30:09] Unknown:
Yep. He's great. He's really good. Well, this book is fantastic. And and, Brent, I think you would get a lot out of it because the cover is of Christ whipping, The Money Changers. That was the image I used for the show yesterday because it's just been sort of running around in my head the last few days. Uh-huh. And the opening sort of 15, 20 pages are quite marvelous because it's about getting the point across fast or laying out the context. So he's talking about the year of the jubilee. But with regards to Christ's mission, what he's saying and just sort of it's not as if he's been adamant about this, but a way to think of it is, it's not and forgive them their sins. It's forgive them their debts.
Why? Because if you don't, it literally destroys your civilization. Yes. Absolutely will destroy it. And so the fur and then he talks about the first two things that he did, and you would know better than me. But because the second thing was a bit of a surprise to me when I was going through it. So the first thing, this first public act is to whip money changers and to turn the tables on them, because he's turning his father's house they're turning his father's house into the house of mammon, the worshipping of money. That's basically what's going on. This is me elaborating a bit. Right? That's the way I tend to see it. The second thing he did they drag him off, don't they? And they say, you've gotta go and tell us something in a synagogue, which is an Israelite thing and not a Jewish thing. Right? This is this is so he goes into an Israelite synagogue, and I think he reads something from Isaiah. I can't tell you exactly what it is. But part of the speech is what he's really doing is communicating to the audience about this forgiveness of debt, and they don't take kindly to it. In fact, they try to throw him off a cliff.
I thought this is a bit of an opening to your public ministry. So first, you're whipping someone. The next thing, they're trying to throw you off a cliff. Because one of the things that Hudson is kind of laying out, and it's not the entire thing I know, But as a core partner, I'd never thought of it in this way, is that Christ was attacking the money power of the day. And he what? And and I sort of fell in love with him even more. When I when I read this, I went, bingo. This is like a bridging paragraph or an opening that I really needed to read. Me, personally, might not mean much to others, but to me, it meant a huge amount. And I and when you look at the history of of jubilees, debt forgiveness, and why they had to take place, We haven't had one in the world for a long time, and we I'm gonna suggest we need one. Of course, people fall about laughing and go, and rightly so, they go, wait. You can't do it these days. I don't see why not. I'd do it if I was prime minister. Of course, I'd be dead that afternoon.
But, you know, that's what we're kinda dealing with. I've also mentioned there's another little hint that's come out in the public space recently. We had a prime minister over here about a year and a half, 2 years ago, Liz Truss. She was a bit Oh, yeah. Walkie as a communicator. Very short lived. Very short lived. Yeah. Very 47 days. Okay. The shortest tenure of any prime minister ever. The queen died on her watch. That's not why they got rid of her. They got rid of her because she had a budget lined up that the Office of Budgetary Restraint didn't like, and neither did the Bank of England. And there's 2 things that she's done. 1 was she was on the Steve Bannon radio show this time last year. I think it was January 2024.
Right. And he was saying to her, what was it like, Liz? You know, just a bit. And she said, well, you know, Steve, I got in there and I wanted to change thing. And he went like Churchill, at which point I nearly sort of, you know, lost my smarties and I just threw up. No no steam. Never quote Churchill. If you're trying to trying to create a positive image, don't do that. But, of course, you know, these people don't know. And she said, that they'd come up with a budget. And what she found out was that she couldn't get it through. And she said to him so what I've also found, she said, is that in in the British democracy, the prime minister can be sacked, but the governor of the Bank of England cannot.
Therefore, she logically said, the governor of the Bank of England has more power than the prime minister. And I went, bing. It's the most truthful thing I've ever heard from anybody high up in politics in my entire life here in this no one's ever even touches upon it. So she did that about a year ago. I just heard something else with her the other day talking to someone else where she said that metaphorically she had a gun put to her head. That was her own words around this. She said there's an issue that we can't go into. Well, it's this. Yeah. It's this. I I believe it's this. The private ownership of central banking systems guarantees our permanent ruin in all other endeavors.
It's got to be sorted out. Yep. It just has to be because, you know, we are working away, honourable, good people, trying to use what brains we've got and and our hearts in the right place to bring good things about. And we have to do that because we you know, because you have to, if you're compelled to do it. And it's a great thing. However, the other side are always getting paid at the end of the month. And that money thing has literally chewed up. You everybody's beginning to see that here in Britain, the entire power system is completely gone.
We don't have a police force. There is a police force, but the people don't have it. No. It's under the control of something else. We have a political class, but it doesn't represent the people. Everybody's seeing it now with these sick evil things coming out and the fact that they just cover their backsides. Mhmm. So there's a bit of a smoldering fire. People my job and people like me is to get some we need to turn it into an LA, metaphorically speaking. We need a thing I need a thing burning down. Absolutely. And people have got to get on fire. So Well, it can't be reformed, I don't believe, Paul.
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And they don't want to be you can't start reforming it without exposing them, and that's what they fear more than anything else.
[01:35:59] Unknown:
Yeah. It's like inviting the, the jailers to redesign the prison, so it's a lot nicer. They're not going to do that. Yeah. They're just not gonna do it. So and we can't communicate with them at all, no matter what appearances they put out. But, yeah, the whole I mean, the the that history of we were talking about it yesterday. The, there's this great book, The History of Central Banking by Stephen Goodson. He was the South guy from the South African Central Bank. And one of the really good stories in there about many individuals that have fought the money power was of Caesar.
And, when Caesar returned to Rome after out there chinning everybody for a x 5 4 or 5 years and just basically securing the borders, particularly in Gaul or whatever he was doing. And he came back to Rome. There are a 150,000 people sleeping in the streets. And he was not happy. He was very unhappy about this. And, so he was planning to effectively usher in, a year of jubilee. And, that's why he got killed because the creditor patrician class said, no. We're not having that. We're owed all this money. We want it for it's this. And and the history of this thing that Hudson's addressing, like with Hammurabi and all the Babylonian period, they used to forgive the debts. And the reason they have to do that and it's the same now. The form's different. But the essence is, I think, is exactly the same.
But it's much more easy to understand in the past. Most of the men are working on the land. They owed money to people who, if they weren't able to pay, they would lose their land. Once they'd lost their land, they're then sleeping on the streets of Rome, as it were. But even worse for the king, he can't raise an army to defend the borders of the nation. Can't do it because those so he had to. And they were what Hudson points out is that every time a new king would come in, we're talking 3000 years ago. Right? But when a a new king would come in, they nearly always had a year of jubilee to revitalize the economy. And and that's exactly what it does. It refreshes it. It's like getting rid of a dirty cold that shouldn't even be there anywhere. And the whole thing spins up really quick, and you start to get prosperity again because you've removed you've removed the usury break, the creditors' class, and all that. And so nothing new under the sun, unfortunately, but there we go.
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What Paul has brought us before, which I I know some of you haven't heard is and I had not at the time. We you've told it a couple of times was the European, the Austria story of the country, which started promoting paper, but they were discounting it as it was circulating and what it did to the economy. You wanna tell that story?
[01:38:44] Unknown:
Sure. Yeah. I can run through that quickly. It's a wonderful tale. I mean, it's one of these there are there are actually many of these sorts of tales, most of them, of course, not known, which show what happens when we get the banking or the monetary thing set right or even just a few steps in the right direction. The results are amazing. But, of course, no one even knows that these results are possible because they don't understand what usury is. And this includes the entire political class. They haven't a clue. No. They haven't got a clue at all about the number one tool that they could use for positive reason. They don't know. They don't even know what it is.
That's how deranged it is. But, yeah, it was a little town called Virgil, w o r g l, in Austria. This is about 1931, 32 after the Wall Street crash, and they were ruined just like everybody else was. And, small town, it's there to this day, but he had about the mayor who is referred to as the mayor with the very long name, although his actual name is Unter Guggenberger. That was his name. It's a good name, isn't it? Mayor Unter Guggenberger. And, he had studied the economic theories of a guy called Silvio Gesell, a German who had become very big in beef farming in Argentina. He had these huge sort of cow things going on, massive. And, he had a lot of time on his hands. He got his business running really well. So he used to sit around, noodling on, economics.
And Gessel's observation was that money has, a serious advantage in exchange that the seller doesn't have. For example, and this is what I'm pulling out. I've mentioned before, if you are a seller of eggs, your products, the egg, the chicken's egg, I I don't know how long it remains an egg, but it's x number of weeks. After that, it's inedible because it's gonna go rotten. So and this is true of all things, although not as true, say, of a Heidelberg press, which might last 500 years or whatever, but you get the idea that basically stuff is always wearing out and requires maintenance. Depreciation. Yeah. It just does. The universe everything in the universe without maintenance goes to decay or goes to a sort of looser state where it's of less use to us. So that's kind of the role that we fulfill to a great degree. Anyway, he, he said, you know, if you're selling eggs and someone comes along to buy them, they can hold out knowing and you have to keep dropping your price because there's a day coming up when those eggs are no longer eggs and you got nothing.
So, he suggested he said, what we need is money that works like eggs that go rotten. In other words, the money is gonna depreciate in purchasing power, compelling the holders of money to get on with it, is what it does. There's all sorts of other sort of, secondary and tertiary advantages to this. So this guy, Unter Guggenberger I've been very simplistic in the way I'm describing it, but Unter Guggenberger said, oh, I think we'll we'll do that. And he needed some what did he need? I think he needed a sewer laying or something like that. Something a bit messy. And he had about a 150 families on a soup kitchen and everything. So he took 14,000 Austrian shillings of his own money and he put it in a a vault in the mayor's office and turned it into sort of the Vurgal bank. And then what he did was he issued 14,000 shillings worth of local scrip, called Virgil shillings, I guess, or something like that. I've got pictures of the notes somewhere.
But what he did was on the back, he put 50 squares on the back. And every by Saturday lunchtime, if you were a holder of one of these notes, you had to go down the post office and buy, I think it was a quarter cent stamp, a quarter of a penny, and stick it on. So at the end of the year, you'd have put 50 of these things on, which is what? 12 and a half percent depreciation. And if you didn't have the stamp on, people wouldn't accept it. Because it meant they had to go and put more stamps on. So blah blah blah blah blah. Anyway, he gets these workmen into his office who are doing nothing. He said, look, I need these sewers doing. You can do it. But I'm gonna pay you with these. Nicole Zio went, what's that? I should imagine. I should imagine. It was a lot of fun. I'd like to be there at the meeting.
And, anyway, he convinced them in the end that it was the best way to do it. So they cracked on with it. And, they got these sewers laid very quickly, and the money began to move through that, little town very quickly because when people received the note, they didn't want to put the stamp on it. You human can't be bothered. I don't want to do that. Also, I better get on with it quick because I gotta find money for the stamp. So it began to speed up, and people began to plan their sort of economic consumption well ahead of time. So it led to us all sorts of other benefits which couldn't have initially been anticipated. For example, they they prepaid their local taxes 2 years in advance, the first and only time this has ever happened.
Because once they got right? They just said, I don't want this money. I've got to stick a stab here. Quick. I'm gonna pay off my debt to the local council or whatever it was. And the it just picked up. So all of the unemployment in the town disappeared after 6 months. They're all fully employed. Absolutely on firing on all cylinders. They built a bridge which is still there to this day. And it's got this little plaque and it says, we the people of Virgil built this bridge with their own money. There was a mayor down the valley which is, I think he says, about 90 miles away. So it's a big valley. But, and he finds out about this, comes up, I guess, has some snaps with Gunther Guggenberger and says, this is jolly good. Could we do it? He said, I don't see why not. He said, better. Yeah. If you do it, maybe we could trade up and down the valley and we'll he says, cool. So they crack them with exactly the same result.
And then a few months later or a year later, they call onto Guggenberger to Vienna for a meeting with all the leaders of the cantons or the districts. There's about 350 of them, I believe. Something like that. I love these. They all rock up for the PowerPoint presentation of the day. I'm assuming probably, you know, chalk and a blackboard or whatever they use at the time. And, Unteroguggan Bogoli's called her to give a presentation of how come Virgil's got out of the doo doo faster than anybody else? And he shows them. And, they all agreed to do it. They're all gonna put it in action immediately. They say, well, why would we not do this? Of course. Why would you not do it? Because you're using your own money.
Of course, we then have the usury class stepping in to shoot it down. And the way they shot it down is they simply approached the Austrian government and said, you're not doing this because if you do it, we're gonna crash the Austrian shilling on the world exchanges, and your whole nation will go down. So they couldn't do it. Tada. That's a good one. So the solution exists, but the bad guys exist to keep scuppering the solution. And they've got to be literally, not just metaphorically, taken out. They've gotta be taken out. If you heard that yeah.
[01:45:59] Unknown:
Yes. I agree with you a 100%. Brent, had you heard that before?
[01:46:04] Unknown:
No. I hadn't heard that story, and I that's very illustrative and that it illustrates the point that I understand better now. Other things I've heard in the past from, folk that study these matters, one fellow I used to have on from Michigan is a blueberry farmer, and his name is, Randy. I need to get him on again. I need to get him on here. But he he starts out his presentation. He travels around the universities and try to teach young folk. He says, all wealth all wealth, true wealth, either rots or rust. Now Paul see made, reference to that when he said that everything breaks down. I'm thinking, oh, somebody told me that's called the second law of thermodynamics.
Everything left to itself disintegrates. Well, if it doesn't rust or rot, it's not well. So what do you got? Well, you got all metals, including gold. I've had people tell me gold doesn't rust. Well, that's not true. It's like everything else that oxidizes. Rotting is the oxidation of living material or carbons, and rusting is the oxidation of metals. And, of course, burning is oxidation, wood, paper, gasoline, combustions, explosions like gunpowder. That's all oxidation. And if it's true wealth, it will oxidize. Well, that means if it will oxidize, it will disintegrate like Paul is saying. If it's gonna disintegrate, then it's important that we have a flow. All true wealth has a flow of new wealth. That's why, of course, they say you can take 2 goats and put them together, a male and female come back next year, and you'll have anywhere from 1 to 3 more. Well, you put 2 pieces of gold together. You can't do that. That's true. But there is we're talking about North Dakota and the banking.
The largest oil reserve ever discovered in the history of mankind was recently discovered in North Dakota and stretched up into Canada. Oil has a way of keep it keeps creeping in, and people produce oil know that it just keeps creeping in the in the, the rock through which it migrates. Where does it come from? Nobody knows. Nobody. Gold is that way too. I just read the other day, that only just the other day. And I'd read this 30 years ago, but they're still saying it, 94 5% of the recoverable gold in the lower 48 states has yet to be recovered. And we've had the largest production of gold in the history of our country out of the Carlin trip in Nevada in the last 30 years or more. And nobody's ever even heard about it. Most people I say nobody. That's an exaggeration.
A few people have, but used to be when there was a gold strike, people knew it. Well, now that brings me to this other illustration. I love these illustrative stories as he told and I, and I, by the way, Paul, you, your accent throws me a little. I learned 2 new things here. 1, there's a word called stummed, s t u m m e d. Yeah. Well, you said that and you said it fast and I said what what what I think the context demanded that you were being dumb in other words in the sense of not speaking, you're holding your peace. Well, I looked it up, and, yes, there is such a word, but we don't apparently use it here. I've never heard it before, but it's a good word, and I wanna you got it. It's short, sweet, hard hitting. I wanna use it. The other thing that you mentioned was this fella named Michael, and I heard you say it several times. Was it Hudson with an h as in Yeah. Oh, okay. That's right. Michael Michael Hudson. He's very well noted. He's been writing economics books for decades.
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Well,
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so Yeah. If you like it, I think I'll I better get it. But I wanted to tell the story, another one that illustrates, and it comes right down hard on this thing about true wealth must be re it their true wealth has a flow. I've talked to bankers, by the way, on setting on bank boards. And they send the Federal Reserve, of course, controls all the banks because of the jurisdiction with, Franklin Roosevelt's insurance scheme. But they send them you get on the board because you're a big investor. You've got a lot of money you put in the bank. They get on the board and they send them to these seminars to learn about how to how to think about who you're gonna loan money to.
Number 1, by the way, they teach according to this fellow that told me this, that he was a man of means that went to one of these meetings. Number 1, we're not worried about how much the guy that wants to borrow money, how much he has. We're not worried about that. What we want to know is does he have a cashflow? And we're not as really concerned about how big it is. Really. We just want to know if he has a flow. Well, I can get that. I know in my life, if I think I've got a flow of cash, I feel different than if I got a pile of money and don't have any flow. There's a different it's it has to flow. God's made us to look at it that way. There hasn't be constant production. Well, so this fella in New Zealand, he's an immigrant there in the early days before there were any businesses or banks or buildings, and they were just getting started.
And, of course, there are a lot of shipwrecks, and there's a whole body of common law that covers shipwrecks and who gets what's in a shipwreck depending upon who finds it, etcetera. Well, there were a lot, and one of the ships that were bringing goods from the mother country to New Zealand wrecked, and, somebody recovered a whole lot of cans of sardines out of this wreck. I mean, thousands of them. And, whoever got ahold of him, he somehow got the natives to help him build a warehouse, and they put the sardines in the warehouse. And he didn't have any banks, didn't have any money. See, there, they didn't have anything, so he started issuing script.
He got ahold of some paper and started issuing script on these sardines. And 1 fellow bought some script, and he went out and tried to make it. Then he went down on his luck after a while, and he was starving and, wandering around looking for something to eat. And he went back to the warehouse. He said, well, shucks. I got this script. I'll I'll cash it in and eat them sardines. So he went inside and told the fellow he was running the bank, see what he was doing, really. Yep. Yeah. He didn't have any gold or silver paper money. Just had these sardines and probably a few other things by that time. He turned his script in. He gets, some sardines because he's starving.
He goes outside the warehouse and sits down along the wall, leans it up against it, and gets out his knife and pries the thing open. And, the smell that hit him in the face about knocked him over backwards, like a buzzard off a manure wagon. And he went back in. He said, I want my script back. He said, why? He said, well, I opened the skirt sardines and they're rotten. I can't eat them. They're no good. And the fellow that ran the warehouse said, well, you're being stupid. He said, them, them are not, them are not eating sardines. Them are them are trading sardines.
And that's the way the bankers want us to look at money. Now it's not even something like sardines. It's just something worthless on a computer printout someplace or in a computer or an idea. And they want us to think that that's what paper money is too, by the way. It's just saying that there is some value there when there isn't. It's an illusory promise. Well, this fella this fella found out here's another story I I like to tell along with that. And I'd of course, if you have comments, we're about out of time. I'll try to do it quick. I wanna hear what anybody says, including Paul or or Roger, foremost, but it's about their Adirondack mountains in New England. Mhmm. And, there was no money there in the early days, and they used what the engines used, which was wampum wampum.
And wampum was seashells, and 2 black seashells equaled 1 white seashell. And, of course, the Indian tribe, the Delaware and the Mohawk and all them up in there, they'd make, they'd make, wampum belts, which were very valuable out of seashells. Of course, they didn't live on the ocean, but the seashells found their ways to the Adirondack Mountains up there. And then the fur trade was big, and people were trapping Otter, Coon, muskrat, beaver, and selling it. And the wampum, which 2 there were only 2 denominations, the black seashells and the white ones. And the wampum, everybody knew how many raccoon, how many wampum shells like raccoon hide was worth a muskrat hide, a beaver hide, a fox hide, a wolf hide, whatever it was, it was locked in pretty fixed.
And the economy was booming and they didn't even have well, they had money, the wampum shells, but which by the way, were worthless. Isn't it funny? The the the tribal red men in America had money that was just like ours worthless. And so but everything was going along good. Then all of a sudden, people were using these seashells to buy and sell as a medium of exchange. And then this, the one palm went flat and it wasn't worth anything. And nobody understood why. Why? What happened to the one palm? I take my one palm into the general store, the tavern or something, or try to buy something from my neighbor. Nobody will take it anymore. Well, some wise heads got together and finally figured out the reason the wampum wasn't worth anything anymore was because most of the valuable hides have been trapped out of the Adirondacks.
See, the truth is the wampum was worthless and up in the seashells made out of calcium that they gathered. But eyes were worth something, and they had a a use. You know? They keep you warm in the winter if nothing else. And once there was nothing back in the wampum nothing backing it, the wampum was worthless and if there's nothing backing our money, it will the worthlessness of it will eventually come out right now. We're living in La la land. Yes, that's the land
[01:55:48] Unknown:
and
[01:55:49] Unknown:
we, we are, we're stuck on this idea of perpetual debt. And you made this point to justice Joseph story of the US Supreme court said that our bankruptcy provisions over United States constitution, which is part of our common law tradition, by the way, from the old country. That's all it is. It's nothing fancy, nothing new. Fundamentally, it's the same, the same principles of our old common law, coming way back from centuries before lost in the fog of antiquity, but we have it all there. And he said it is a disgrace. This is in his commentaries on the constitution of the United States back about 1838 or 40 or somewhere along in there. It would be a disgrace, been a disgrace for us to not have have this relief from debt, and he attaches it to the Bible, the year of Jubilee.
Jubilee occurred every 49 year every 50 years, and, all debts were canceled. All land returned, all mortgages were ended, etcetera. And, I see that. I see that clearly. And I'm glad you brought that up because usury against their own people is evil and it will cause all money to increasingly migrate into the single hands of the banker Period. That's right. That's what it does. It does. It's an engineering mechanism. It just causes that to happen. Yep. Yes. And God God forbids it. And now here's the question. I'm gonna ask you this, Paul or Roger, whoever, but Paul was talking about it. The definition of usury is important. That's the thing that escapes people. They don't think about it.
What how would you define it? And I'll tell you how I would define it then, after I hear how you would define it. I wanna hear it.
[01:57:30] Unknown:
It's a very good question. I know that, Hillel Belok's definition, which I don't necessarily go along with, but his definition is quite interesting. This is from about a 100 years ago. He said it's any loan that's made that's an unproductive loan, in the sense that you are the the usurer still has a claim on receiving his additional interest charge on the loan, irrespective of whether the project or the purpose for which the money was borrowed Uh-huh. Is fruitful or not. Belloc argued that if it's unfruitful, the usurer shouldn't get anything. In other words, to a certain degree, he was arguing that it should have been a partnership, which I think is actually more honorable and correct in many ways.
And in fact, interestingly, supposedly, anyway, Islamic banks operate like that. Yes. Western banks don't. So, that's it. But but usually, I don't really have a clear definition, actually. It's a very good question. I don't really have one. I spoke it's basically as far as I'm concerned, it's the it's the level it's the surcharge on a loan that is open ended. To me, that's what I'm that's what I'm Well, that that I'm Yeah. Is that it's open ended. Yeah. And therefore, you the the borrower is, under current circumstances, subject to this thing called the varying interest rates and the prolongation of the loan and all these other things. In other words, whilst the loan is going on, the borrower is absolutely the the lender is at the mercy.
I'm sorry. The borrower is at the mercy of the lender because these things keep moving around. Of course, the whole of the news then is just full of effect effectively the usury reports. All of the things that most of the things that report in the world of economics are of an are a result of the effect of this shifting of people buying money. So that that's it. I mean, I'm sure there probably is a dictionary definition of it. It's a surcharge or supposedly, you know, that the, the lender gets paid for lending you the money. Now my complaint, just on it just I know I've not really answered the question, but the observation we're talking about this last night is to do with the mechanics of the way that loans are issued that's the real problem.
[01:59:50] Unknown:
Yeah. Exactly.
[01:59:52] Unknown:
It's so I'm not saying that people cannot or should not be able to borrow funds. No. They should. It would, of course, be absolutely marvelous if they're borrowing it from their state bank, which they own. This is the whole thing. Why should why should a private group own what is effectively, a tribal resource? It's what it should be. It's a bit like tape measures. Money should be like tape measures. You don't you know, if I sold tape measures, I can't go around saying did you use my tape measures to build that building? And they go, yeah. Oh, well, I own 10% of it because you used my tape measures. It's just insane. Yeah. But people don't think of it like that. You know, they go Yeah. No, it's really worth something. No, it's a measurement. It's just a piece of paper and it is useful, but it's currently not. But But the the problem with the loan, just coming back to this the mechanics of the loan, is you borrow $10,000.
The bank says you owe us 12 just to keep the sum simple. You owe us 12 over the course of a year. Therefore, you gotta pay us back at the rate of $1,000 a month. They go you go, okay. They look at you. They go, we quite like you. You've got cash flow, they say. We think your business is gonna be good. We think you're good, not only to bring us the $10 back, but also the $2 that we want out of your pocket as well. You go, great. And maybe you make a go of it or whatever. So that's how it currently works. The problem is they only create the 10. Right. This is so important.
This is part of this pressure, this hidden pressure in the system that nobody really can detect. So because they only create the 10, you are then charged with running off into the marketplace and effectively plundering $2 out of it. Yep. No problem. Back to the bank. So you put your prices up for your oranges or your eggs or whatever the hell it is, and these costs are passed on to everybody else. Meanwhile, all the other people that you bought you buy stuff from, they're also into the bank, and they have to keep lobbing these extra prices on to pay their interest charges. Yep. Yep. So that it creates like a hidden feedback loop like in a PA system and people get busier and busier and busier and busier and the government has to step in. There's all this drama and it it'll never get sorted because he can't because it's a it's a madness.
So that's the way it is right now. But a simple change would totally transform it, which is that when you borrow the $10 and the bank wants 12, the bank creates the whole 12 right on the day that you make the loan and it pays itself immediately the $2,000 Why would it do that? Because now the $2,000 that it pays out to its staff, in this simple example, go out and exist in the marketplace. That means you can now get them. They're actually there. So the bank, because it doesn't create the interest part of the loan, is compelled to keep on issuing more loans to keep beefing up the money supply so that you can go and find the 12 grand, I. E. The additional 2 grand that they didn't create in the 1st place so you can pay the loans back. And this is part of the --ness of it, and it's by design. It's obviously by design, and it it creates this frenetic, fruitless energy in the workplace.
Most of the things that people do are complete waste of time. Oh, god. And it gets worse. You know, Paul, it get it gets worse when you understand that they don't really loan you money. It's all done on a promissory note. I know. I know. I know. But you see, even on that, Roger, you're absolutely right. But I wouldn't mind so much as long as I own the bank with them. If we all own it, then we can all run and go, this is all run like crap. We go, yeah. Well, let's change it. But because we don't, because we have no say in the management Yeah. That's right. They've designed it to their advantage, obviously, and massively to our disadvantage.
And that's fundamental, as far as I'm concerned, that's warfare. It's warfare. They are war on us because we can't settle our disputes through communication because we're denied that. They just say, we've created a law. Well, that law is war. It's it's waging war on us. I know you everybody knows this here, but it's just sort of trying to find a way to get it across. The idea of actually having loans, if you do it properly, even that and then that's not perfect, but I'll tell you that would just take the heat out of everything. They don't want that. And the other thing as well, you know, the last thing which people are probably aware of is, here's the problem with the tail end of the loan. We were talking about this last night. When you finally pay it off, the $10 that they created disappears off their books. Yes.
So prosperity is actually ruinous to the bank. Yep. So you just go this could be madder. It couldn't be madder if you wanted to create the maddest thing in the world. It's so mad. It's designed literally to thwart,
[02:04:31] Unknown:
undermine, crush, and destroy Christian civilization, and that's exactly what it does. Yep. Exactly what it does. Now let us get our bearings here because Paul so graciously didn't play the outro, and, and we're off the air. We're still being recorded on his side there. But just to let everybody know, that's where we are. And, back when Paul first came on, Joe was trying to say something, and then he's kinda faded into the background. Joe, are you still with us?
[02:05:04] Unknown:
Okay. We're telling you, sorry. Oklahoma?
[02:05:07] Unknown:
Yeah.
[02:05:09] Unknown:
Yeah. Okay. He was he was probably, he was probably gonna give some, valuable backstory on the actual, farming thing that Brent was talking about.
[02:05:22] Unknown:
Well yeah. But it was right when Paul came on, so I don't think that guy had been brought up yet. But I believe that's the one Joe keeps telling us we need to get on the show. Is this something with prices of goods and whatnot? But it's really interesting situation to dig in, and now you see why these guys are so powerful because they're just well, they own 3 3 quarters or more of all the value in the world mostly by the Rothschilds. Mhmm. Also, on your your Vienna, your Austria example, one of the other factors that was coming in there, Paul, that I've learned from Mike Maloney to understand is the velocity of money. And the more money circulates, there's a wealth effect there.
[02:06:08] Unknown:
There is. I mean, it it seems to me the idea is to just create kind of a balance between I know it's tricky because you've got human nature and some people really want a lot of stuff. They probably don't even know why they want it really, but they do, don't they? This is nothing new under the sun. I need more stuff than the other guys. Thanks. Really? You do? Yeah. I do. I need it. I need I need all this stuff. I need a helicopter. You do? Yeah. I've gotta have 1. My life's okay. 2. No. I gotta I gotta have 2. Yes. Yeah. 2. Well, I'm up in 3 then. Well, I'm in a squadron of helicopters. I mean, it's obviously really important to certain guys that they act like this and do certain things. And, you know, good luck to them, if that's what they want, I guess, you know, if you but so much of it is pointless. And, of course, the other thing, the effect of this of this type of money that we are compelled to use through this law war or this positive law, because you are forced to use it, is that it skewed everything else.
In a way, we actually really can't see what's going on. It's like this this usury fog in everything, absolutely everything. The advertising industry isn't is, and its aggressive nature and its invasive data grabbing nature as it exists right now is to promote evermore consumption of things. Why? I don't need this stuff. Really. Seriously. People are so busy performing in the economy, they don't live a life. They're just bouncing around, aren't they, like bees, you know, working, working, and working, and do more stuff. And and then, you know, over here you'll get it over there, won't you? The economy's doing great. Everybody goes, yay. They don't even know why they're going, yay. It didn't make any difference to them. Price of everything still keeps going up. But they've just been told it's great. Now we're told it's really, really bad. And all this. And that our government, I think last week, Rachel in accounts as she's referred to. This is the chancellor of the exchequer. Right? It's, meant to demean her. She was just had to go off and, issue I don't know, wants to borrow 1,000,000,000, you know, with government government treasury bonds. And you look at this, you go, why? Why don't you just create yourself for us?
But this that discussion doesn't even exist. This is what Liz Truss was talking about. People are literally unaware that this conversation can exist. Yep.
[02:08:26] Unknown:
And and here's the other angle on that. You hear often the term they make money out of thin air, which is not true, except in what you're talking about, which is the compounding of the interest on whatever principal was loaned into circulation.
[02:08:41] Unknown:
That's where they make money out of thin air. Right? They do. You're absolutely right. I mean, obviously, your signature is I mean, we know about these things with birth certificates and signatures and signatures on loans. Effectively, you are the one that's issuing the money to yourself. The bank, you know, from a certain perspective, acts as an agent and says, oh, for being your agent and all this, we're gonna level interest on it. Give us an 8%. Would you, please? Yeah.
[02:09:05] Unknown:
Yeah. You got I why do I need you? Why can't I just, you know I think Joe popped in there. Joe, did you hear us calling you and come in just as we were starting that conversation? Because I don't wanna marginalize you.
[02:09:20] Unknown:
Roger Bruce. Well
[02:09:22] Unknown:
oh, it's Bruce. Okay. Alright. Bruce, what do you got? Well, you're not that loan you got, is nothing but fake money, And you have Federal Reserve notice of debt already. So you're debt Well, it's not even debt. Debt. You're getting a loan on your future income. Basically, what happens when it says a full faith credit of the net money to get a loan. Do do what, Bruce, now? We have nothing but debt, a note. Yes. That's right. That's what they say. Which is a debt. There is no money. There's only credit. And the original start of the credit spout is where they take that birth certificate using it as a warehouse receipt and attach it to the bond issues, and that's the bond market, which is 5 to 10 times as big as the stock market. K? And as I say so often, bond is the root word of bondage. Okay?
And there's the origin of it right there. So it's a it's a brilliant scheme they've cooked up here. K? And it really works for them.
[02:10:37] Unknown:
Roger, are you there? I am, Brent. I wanna I'm gonna throw out a definition for usury. And if we don't talk about it anymore today, then maybe we can talk about it next time. You you'll help me remember. But here's the way I understand it for what it's worth. And I think this is, comports with the Bible pretty clear, and it's this. Usury is the transfer to the title of and I don't know, user is a contract to transfer the title of demanding the ex the expending of the item transferred upon a you, upon a surcharge. It's hard to get into words. I need to hammer this out, but what it comes down to is this, usury only applies to items under contract to be used.
Usury only applies to things under contract to be used for instance, usually by and large only applies to money and things that are eatable, edible. You can eat them. It doesn't apply to anything else. I am surprised. I had a friend that worked in a bank and little town there where I grew up and I grew up with him old Bailey. And he said, Brent, you wouldn't believe how many people come in here and want to borrow $150 so they can buy. Groceries. Just food. They just want something to eat. Well, that's a little bit different, but I did read a case from pure to New England. Of course, in pure to New England, the Bible was their statute. They said we don't need any any statutes. We got statutes that tell us what to do. And the lieutenant governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony was prosecuted for a crime because he loaned another man 10 bushels of corn.
We're talking American corn, not some other kind of grain, just corn, 10 bushels of corn to get him through the winter under a contract that he would repay him with 12 bushels of corn. You see, when the bank gives you money on a they call it a loan. It's not a loan. You, you will not give that money back. You get that money, that gold, whatever, and you don't give that back. No, you get other money and give it back. And when they transfer it to you, it's not alone. No, they transfer title, ownership, legal title to you. It's yours, and you're under a duty in the contract, not a duty. You're under, a contractual obligation to spend that money. You borrow it for a house. They're gonna demand that you spend it for a house, not something else. They're going to demand that you spend it for a car, not what you borrow it for a car, not something else. And it's your money. And the proof of that is that you take that money and you transfer title to the man who is selling you the house.
They transfer title to you. It's your money. It's not alone. That's a lie. That's all us reading the double speak. It's alone. But when you pay it back, you don't pay back that money. You pay back some other money. And so it's usually on what they call it, fungible products like grain grain, or you borrow money on grain that way. There's an excellent Roger. Maybe you and I had talked about this, an excellent presentation by a man who won't talk to people anymore. If he's still alive, I don't think he is. He became a hard shell Baptist, but he was a professor at Bob Jones, a professor of economics, and he used to deliver a series of lectures. You can find them on YouTube. I want to recommend them here. The name of the, oh, I don't remember the name. It's about grain. It's about he it's about grain and the grain bin.
And they use the grain like the fellow used the sardines like a bank. And he describes the banking system using this analogy of grain and the grain bin, a fungible material, fungible or fungible, they say. That means Are you looking for commodity? Well, commodity is a good word, but a fungible material is a material that Yeah. Any any ounce of gold is the same as any other ounce of gold. Right. I don't have when I borrow if I borrow an ounce of gold from a bank who's banking gold, they're not going to require, I give them that ounce back. Well, that tells me right there. It's not alone. When you go down and borrow a car at a car rental place, you gotta bring that car back. You can't bring it back some other car like it. That's not the way it works. And by the way, that is not usury because that's not a, a car. If you rent a car, a power tool or a mule or a horse or whatever you're renting, you're borrowing that thing. You don't take legal title to it. No, no. You just have it for a short time and then you give it back.
But when you go to the bank, you take ownership of that money that you're borrowing. That's the difference. They don't tell you that they lied to you and say it's a loan, etcetera, again. And then it's hard to think about it in some other way. But anyway, Lieutenant governor had this, contract with this fella for this 10 bushel of corn, and he was supposed to pay him 12 bushel the next year after harvest. And they prosecuted him for a crime because the Bible says usury is against the law. It will destroy our society. Go ahead, Roger.
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I was gonna say if you reverse that and and put the money in the bank, they think it's theirs.
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That's right. But they know too that legally, when you put the money in the bank, it is theirs. You transfer title of that money to them, and they're under a contract to provide certain services to you, like give some of it back if you write a check. But don't kid yourself, friends. When banks go down, the only recourse you have against them is a contract action. And that will get you nowhere. Why? Because it's not a crime in our common law tradition to, be in debt. It's not a crime in our common law tradition to breach your contract. In other words, to not fulfill your promise. It may be a bad thing to do. It may cost you, but with bankers, they know better. That's when the, why, when the banks failed my family, my, well, my father's side, they hit oil on the property when my granddad was a little boy.
And, like dad said, they didn't have money. They were living in a log house down in the creek bottom, had no money. And all of a sudden the gusher comes in an oil well. It was a classic, Beverly Hillbilly story. Right. And all of a sudden they've got checks coming every month. They don't know what to do with money. They never seen the blasted stuff. They put it in the bank and little town there and then put it all in all their eggs in one basket. And when the crash came in 29, I wasn't there. I've missed the family story. When the crash came, it all went down and the bank failed and all that money they'd put in there for the previous 20 years almost. Well, yeah, 20 years it was gone. Yes. And they had built, they'd put a siding on their log house, put a parlor out front. Boy, they were in high cotton as they say. They were living the big life and thought they were somebody. And my grand granddad couldn't even read and write his own name.
He's the one that said, if you do this, it's going to destroy the family. And it did. Well, all that disappeared, and nobody in that community sued the bankers. Why? It's not a crime. Can't take them to the prosecutor. Boy, the bankers have it sewed up. I was when I was in school, I remember the professor in property said, just remember, boys, when you're out in the world and you're in the courts, if you go up against a bank or an insurance company, there's a 99.9% chance you're not going to prevail. Right. Because they have all the money and they have lobbied the legislature and everything is in position to protect them. And the whole banking system is against the law of God. That's what we need to be saying. Anything else that just you just get confused. Listen, g that and bring it back to the beginning.
Paul was talking about Jesus Christ going into the temple. The the gospel records say he last 2 cords together like a bullwhip. He turned the money changers tables over and drove them out of the temple bodily, And they ran like scolded dogs, scared of him. We're talking God in human flesh here. His resolve was unstoppable, and he it was his perfect vengeance. He said, you've made the this, this that meant to be a house of prayer, not of usury is what he meant. What is usury? Let's put it to a simpler definition. Now, again, we, this is open for discussion. I hope Paul can come back sometime, then I want to hear what he says about it. He said a lot and Roger too, if he wants to weigh in, but usury is shuffling papers and getting paid.
That's what usury is. Yeah. Shuffling papers and getting paid a lot of money to do it and producing absolutely nothing. Nothing. Yeah. Nothing. Yep. Yeah. Well If I may.
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Yes, Dave?
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Yeah. So based on that story that Paul told, what I got out of that is that if we want to have a jubilee that eliminates our debt, first, we have to have a jubilee that eliminates the debt holders, yield. Well,
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we could have, if we get enough people, we could have an exposure of the fraudulent nature of it and see what kind of impact that have had would have. I know it's, proportional on the amount of people and all those other things, but there's one way to counter it. They've taken that credit spout right there and built an illusion that is all any of us have ever known. And it's based on that you're free and that money is debt. On those two principles,
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they built this. Now Paul made the point a while ago too, and I'm glad he brought it up and I didn't have time to chime in. He said, you're the borrower's at the mercy of the lender. Well, that's exactly what the Bible says. The borrower is slave. That's what it says to the lender. Well, this is my friends, but getting rid of the money lender is not necessarily the problem according to the law of God. What's, what's the, not the problem, the solution the solution according to the law of God. What's the solution? The solution is the year of jubilee. I would encourage people go back and read it. It's a simple law of the old testament, the law of Moses, and Jesus Christ did indeed, as Paul pointed out, reference that he opened his earthly ministry once he became of age. What age was that? Age 30. Why age 30? Because a priest in the law of God could not function as a priest until he was age 30, and a prophet didn't either. But a priest had to be age 30. They retired at age 50. Jesus Christ turned 30, then he went out and here he goes. He is prophet, priest, and king. God reduced to the span of a man. He goes to his hometown. They're up on the Galah Lake, the Galilee, and he goes to the synagogue as well, as it says, as was his habit, as was his custom. You go to church. You may not like what's there, but it's a custom. That's what he did. He went and they handed in the scroll of Isaiah. This is Luke chapter 4. I believe you can go read it, the scroll of Isaiah.
And he read to them what would happen in the year of Jubilee. And he, and of course it has to do with Jew, by the way, the word Jubal, the Hebrew word Jubal means, an exclamation of enjoyment. Hurrah I'm out from under the burden of debt.
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God did it. Not man.
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I didn't do it. I didn't do it. I didn't do this to myself. God did it. And if you're in the burden of debt, only God can get you out. I'm telling you, friends, it's bondage. The Bible God's made this world. That's the way he sees it. That's the way it is. And you need a deliverer. And who is the deliverer? Jesus, the Christ. How does he do his delivery? He does it through his will. He speaks the truth and it happens. Where has he spoken the truth in this book? We call the Bible. Jesus Christ is the deliverer, the creator of all things and the deliverer of the law to Moses, for his people. It's all there.
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Yeah. Go ahead. What word for, retired is in Spanish?
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What?
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Hubelado. Is that related to I think it comes from Jubilee.
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Makes sense. But it's the jumping for joy and what when, the priest in the old testament sprinkle the blood at the what they call the mercy sheet on the lid of the strong box that had the evidence of land ownership, the ark of the covenant, the ark of evidence, they call it. When he sprinkled that blood up there in in the new testament, it's called the propitiation. Well, that's a big fat fancy word. What in the Sam Hill does that mean? Well, perpetuation, the Greek word there is hilarious. Oh, the word hilarious, hilarious.
Hilarious. Yeah. Laughter, Jubilee laughter. That's where the debt is paid. All the debts are paid and it's a burden. You go into bankruptcy court. It's hard. It's hard to watch. And then I'll remind you again, if you're not in debt, what this does to people, it's overwhelming my friends and only Jesus Christ. And he's the one that can do it. And to be born from above my friends, listen to me to be born from above is to be taken out of that system. And then you'll begin to understand who you are and what you're supposed to do. Only God can take you out of slavery and bondage of the evil empire as the nation of Israel was in that usury. Listen, usury has to have the companion, the handmaiden of income tax Without income tax, usually will not work for the banks over time. It will destroy. Yeah. So we have both. That's what they had in Egypt when Israel was there.
Put in place, as you know, 20% income tax upon all production. Joseph put that in place, but then it stayed in place. And, and, 400 years later, everybody was enslaved and God brought them out. That's how that happened. That's how it happened. Well, he can bring you out to bring me out. And it is, I know I'm telling you, giving you my personal testimony. I'm out. And the reason I'm out is because Jesus Christ took me out. That's why it isn't something I did. I'm not smart enough to figure this out. He took me out and once he takes you out your eyes open, then you see you don't see before you can't see. You may think you see, but you'll, you'll, you'll mess it up. And once you're under his orders, you know what to do. Then you've got a purpose for living because you're like a soldier. You got orders. You know what you're supposed to do. You're not trying to figure it out yourself. You just shut up and do what you're told, and this book tells us what to do. Oh, we may understand that this time goes along better as the spirit of God illuminates it. But bottom line is we're supposed to do what he tells us to do, and we want to if we're born from above. Right? Go ahead. And the more you, the the the more you realize that and understand it,
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it gives purpose to your life. Did I hear somebody hit star 6 there a second ago? Or somebody hit I heard tones. I didn't know if it was star 6.
[02:25:35] Unknown:
Yes. It was it was me, Chris from California. I just wonder if anybody has heard of the Anthony Harvest Anthony Hargis Bank. Anthony Hargis had a bank that was doing very well and benefiting the people and they shut them down.
[02:25:52] Unknown:
Yeah. Not unusual. I've not heard of that. Chris is one of our newer listeners, Brent. He's from California up there above LA, and, very spiritually, based and biblically oriented from what he's so little we conversations we've had. So, Chris, meet Brent. He's the guy I was telling you about.
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Hi, Chris. Yes.
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Really enjoying, the discourse today.
[02:26:21] Unknown:
Well, we we enjoy it too. It's fun to think somebody might be listening to you. It makes them more enjoyable. Yeah. We really Thank you. I'm just I
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banking and finance was my major in college, and it's because of what I learned that I realized I could not go into that profession.
[02:26:38] Unknown:
Yeah. Right. That's right. Well, Roger. It's rare it's rare when we get Paul to drop by, Chris, and that's why I was so thrilled when I I found out you're with us in that second hour, Paul, and always invite you, you know, but do it anytime you want to.
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Sure. No. It's always good to be here. It's always fun. Yep. Yep. We appreciate it. We need we need more of this. We need you, Paul, you sound exactly like my friend David Morgan, who went to Cambridge and Oxford and he was my best friend. I'm sorry that he's gone. And, your voice sounds just like his and and, you know, he was he was on this as well.
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Cool. I think I I just think everybody needs to be on it. I keep thinking about what what simple project could be arranged that would harness a lot of people's attention rapidly. We used to have a thing we have things over here. You've got consumer pressure groups. We've talked about it recently. We we used to have a woman here in the sixties called Mary White house, and she was, at the time, ridiculed as a figure of fun as a sort of fuddy ditty, but she was campaigning rightfully against the spread of pornography. And, of course, she was therefore, a figure of ridicule in the press because, of course, it was the permissive society and this was really important. She turned out, of course, to be right about everything. Of course. Yeah. But she got a big following.
Well, the everybody in Britain, everybody in America, we need our own public bank, and we don't need anybody else to run a private bank in our space. No private banks. None. And it's got to be really boiled down. Although there are a lot of complexities about the loan process and all these other things, it seems to me the fundamental is we are in an adversarial relationship with the bank. No matter how much lovely advertising they put at you, it's adversarial because the owners do not subscribe to Christian civilized law. That's it.
They don't. Yeah. That's fine. I don't have a problem that they don't subscribe to it. That's their choice. But I have a big problem they're allowed to operate in my home.
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Paul, we had a new listener on yesterday from Massachusetts named Dan, who is his mother was Jewish. She had rebelled against her strict parents and married a gentile. So his father was gentile and his mother's Jewish. And he was telling us we had a wonderful discussion in the last 30 minutes or more of the show. And I, you know, I love to have something like that where you can probe and ask some questions. Right? Yep. But he said, he said it was very interesting when he would be on holiday or something, and they go with the dad's side of the family.
And they're all enjoying each other and loving and feeding and laughing and just enjoying life. You know? And then they go to the mother's side of the family, and he said all they were doing was scheming. Oh, how can we get this? Oh, how can we get that? And it was all the adult men. The women would sit there and nod their heads, and the children would do the same thing. A juxtaposition of these two cultures.
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Well, yeah. I mean, I just I I mean, I think from a sort of communications point of view, it's useful. The phrase I tend to use is the money power because Yeah. There are many of our own people that are in this pit waging more against us. There really are. And and didn't Christ address that as well, you know, about the rabbis? He said, you scour the earth for a necrolyte and make them twice the creature of hell than you are. Yeah. Hold let's see. There's a voice in the background. Chris, is that you?
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I don't know. Somebody was talking a while back. I would
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I would like to say something. It's worthwhile to study Genesis chapter 4849 to find out who Israel is. Because we are Israel. We are Israel. The Jews, which is a slang term, that's just the tribe of Judah
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and, you know, they've got a history. It's not even that. They went to back They're not even the tribe of Judah.
[02:30:49] Unknown:
I know that. They know. I know that. Alright. Sorry.
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Know
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Joshua made a big mistake when he did not eradicate all of the Canaanites as he was ordered to do by the Lord and he never reconciled that and we were stuck with them as the healers of wood and always of water and they infiltrated of course, you know, the whole system of the temple And, when Jesus said that you're not of Abraham's seed, he was saying it correctly, they weren't. They weren't of Abraham's. It was already polluted by them. And, so we have a situation here where we've got a fake state of Israel over there, they're not Israel. Israel left that area. Israel was not Judah. Judah was the southern kingdom and all they would have a claim to if they had any claim at all which they really don't would be that southern piece of real estate, you know, not the northern kingdom.
And, Paul said a prayer, he said my prayer for Israel is this that they might be saved. His prayer was answered with the reformation.
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Okay, by that.
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So there's a lot there's this idea of banking, you know, yes. I like hearing about what's going on in North Dakota. I'm gonna look into that some more. Maybe I'll have to move there. I'll get that bank has been around, I think, a 100 years, Chris.
[02:32:24] Unknown:
I mean, virtually, the state has no debt. It's it's a it's an absolutely total success story.
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Yeah. That's why you don't hear about it.
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Does anybody know about the Nevada State Bank?
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No. But if it's in Nevada, I'd be a little dubious.
[02:32:47] Unknown:
Nevada Nevada is a Nevada is a straight place.
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It is. So, I don't know. Paul, I wanted to thank you. I don't know if you've gotta go or not. I know some of the demands on you. What a joy to have you with us today if you don't know. But, I just wanna make sure I got that in, and, of course, the perpetual invitation is always at your doorstep.
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Cool. No. It's great. I enjoyed it today, and thanks for Paul for providing the intro. I just sort of sit here kinda quiet for ages listening. I just get drawn into the role of being a listener. Was a good store, a good show. They would just talk about, you know, nothing too heavy. That's the Louisiana and Justin Wilson
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and different general things of interest, I hope. And, and then you popped in, and it's been, just wonderful ever since on this money thing, which everyone should be interested in and know as much about as you can learn and, and understand. So, man, I don't appreciate it. I don't think I've talked to you in 6 6 months. Do what? Was that Chris? Yeah. There's a man named Byron Dale who wrote I know I know him. I've had dinner with him a couple of times.
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Yes. Is he still alive?
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I don't know if he's still alive or not, but his book is Bashed by the Bankers. He's just a really good down down home guy, and and, I just really enjoyed meeting him. And he had this was Byron Dale's thing. He said, here's the 3 questions. If you get into discussion with somebody, here's the 3 questions. What is money? Where does it come from? And how does it get into circulation? And for asking and understanding those questions and setting up his own Federal Reserve, the state police beat him with a ketchup bottle where he's almost unrecognizable at his own kitchen table.
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Yep.
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Yep. Yep. Heck of a good guy.
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I definitely recommend to everybody that they try and if read the Ellen Brown article from January 13th. It's called, beating Wall Street at its own game, the Bank of North Dakota Model. Oh. It's excellent. It's on uns.com, unzed.com, which is a big aggregation site. Okay. Yeah. Let me read you the opening sentence because this is it. Right? The Bank of North Dakota operates on the same principles as any capitalist bank, except that its profits and benefits serve the North Dakota public rather than private investors and executives.
Yeah. Bingo. Yep. That's it. Why should a private bank exist at all in the nation? Shouldn't. Absolutely shouldn't. Nope. It's like I was it's like someone copywriting measurements. And that's it. Every time you measure something,
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the thing you've measured is mine. I think it takes gold and silver as legal tender.
[02:35:59] Unknown:
Yeah. It will do. It it will it's just it's fantastic. You know, if I go to America if I ever move there, I'm going to North Dakota even though it's a bit bloody cold, isn't it? But, you won't see many people 800,000 people. There's nobody. There's more people live in my town, and, actually, they don't. There's about a 120,000 here in this town. But that's not many in an entire country. I mean, an entire state. Well, it is a country as far as I'm concerned. The famous city in North Dakota is Minot
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because it's the base there where all the anti ballistic missiles are. And anybody that's in the service that gets stationed up there, they try and compare it to a place called Thule, Greenland, which may be in the US system here pretty quick.
[02:36:43] Unknown:
Yeah. Roger.
[02:36:46] Unknown:
Yeah. Yes. I've been through there, Paul, actually. Going to Alaska. Yeah, Dave.
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Yeah. For Brent, you know, my mother taught us the Lord's prayer, and it was forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors. And does not the blood of Christ pay this debt?
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Well, sure. No. It's all to to to take the Christianity out of the tangible, and put it into the urethral is a damnable lie. And that's why Jesus Christ made the point, the Bible makes the point, the evidence is clear that he his resurrection was bodily. It wasn't some spiritual idea. It was real, r e a l. And our resurrection will be the same. And also all things that go with it in the land of who the elodial landlord is. And that's the maker of heaven and earth. And Jesus Christ is entrusted with all this land for our benefit. And we're the beneficiaries, his people, those who he has chosen And beneficiaries that are not named by name are not beneficiaries.
There has to be a certainty of words with beneficiary, not just all the people in the world. That doesn't work. That's not lawful. Never has been. It does the courts won't enforce that, and god's law won't enforce it either. You know, what is law? Law is what, the law will enforce what God will enforce. That's what true law is. And he's promised to enforce his law and without enforcement, there is no law. And it comes back to what does the Bible say? The Bible is a book of the revelation of God's will. That God's will is revealed through statutes, commandments, judgments, poetry, history, biography, epopulate, apocalyptic literature, like revelation and Daniel as all there for one reason to tell us what God's will is and what he did do and what he's going to do.
Isaiah divides it, divides it this way, but it's all God's law. The will of the sovereign is law. That's true among all people. You know, they say that John Calvin said that. He was a law of the city canon law lawyer. He said the will of the prince is law, of course. And, it is true. True law is the will of the true prince, and there's only one. We're looking at the stars last night. They're so clear up here where we are, and we saw Orion, constellation Orion. Traditionally traditionally, Orion is the Messiah. The the zodiac teaches the Messiah.
God spoke to Job. You can go to the book of Job and see that the zodiac is not astrology. The book of Job talks about it. That talks about the constellations. The zodiac is a general picture of the coming of the Messiah. It is consonant with this book we call the Bible. The zodiac is nature in the heavens operating to speak, and the Bible says that in Psalm 19, the heavens declare the glory of God. Well, I'm just making the point. It's a coming to the Messiah. He's the one that relieves all men that he wants to relieve of death. He puts them in a position of beneficiary of all this land God has given us. The land is what produces true wealth, and it never stops coming. It doesn't seem like North Dakota is a good example. One other thing about North Dakota, and I haven't studied the subject a lot. I am aware of the things that Paul was talking about, and I want to read this article. But, during World War 2, North Dakota became a socialistic state.
In other words, North Dakota took over a lot of the larger industries in the state, and I don't think they've ever given them up. Now that's the downside of North Dakota. Now what that means to banking, I don't know, but I have heard a lot of good things about the banking because it's not private bankers. I get that. I know where I live in the Midwest, there was a time when, you couldn't pay any tax taxes on your land unless you paid the paid the taxes with script from the the bank that the state owned. They wouldn't allow anything else or gold or silver, whatever they wanted to say came from that, the storage of that bank, if you had an interest in it. And so people, of course, took an interest in that bank, would get an interest in that bank because they had to pay their taxes. Plus, the more interest they had in it, the more they control they had of it.
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And that's what it it would be a good thing, of course. Well, Roger and Paul I mean, before you run off here, let me tell you this, Brent. My friend, Walt, the, he's from Detroit. He's, internationally known in jazz circles, trumpet guy. And, he lives here. He's got an apartment, 3 stories, moderate. You know, nothing fancy, nothing slummy. And, he wanted me to tell the audience that he paid his property tax the other day. Uh-huh. $72 for the year. In what country? Ecuador.
[02:41:23] Unknown:
Oh, there. I see. Yeah. Well, that's We all gonna lose that then.
[02:41:30] Unknown:
Guys, can I chime in on the, North Dakota bank?
[02:41:33] Unknown:
Yeah. Real quick, I guess. Go ahead.
[02:41:36] Unknown:
Just just yeah. Hi, Roger. Dan here. Oh, hey, Dan. So they're still using federal reserve notes. And so one way, shape, or form, they're still beholden into that system. And one of the cool things, I don't know how it would work, but it would be to somehow empower them to free themselves the rest of the way and create 2 separate things, so that they can still deal in the monetary system, but be out a little bit more. And, was it rich is that Richard Bobes? It sounds like Richard Bobes, but it's not.
[02:42:11] Unknown:
The other gentleman who was speaking to me me, you mean. No. I'll tell you this though. Richard Bobes lives 2 miles from me. He lives he lives 2 miles from me and I was having lunch with him the other week. He's Really? We all know each other. Yeah. Literally. He's round like I know you're not. Like, he In fact, he was just about to sit down and start studying the Bible. And I sat down and said, hey, before you do that, don't read it. We had a great chat. I said, don't read it. She goes, why? I said, you're gonna read it wrong. You're gonna read it completely wrong.
[02:42:41] Unknown:
Do it now, Dan. Let me introduce Dan. Let me introduce Dan. He's the Jewish the Jewish guy he's talking about. They just joined us yesterday.
[02:42:50] Unknown:
Yes. Mhmm.
[02:42:53] Unknown:
Welcome, I'm a Welcome again, Dan. Roger. I love you, buddy. Yep. Thank you. And I welcome myself back. But, you would ask about how do we make it more popular so it gets more into the mainstream so it can finally finish crumbling, basically. And, you know, when our podcasters started showing up at the beginning of COVID, I I predicted in my own head. I was like, these guys are gonna take over the scene. They're telling the truth and it's catching on like fire. And, and fire travels fast when it really starts, and and I think that's the way in now. That's the way in now. I mean, cats like Russell Brand are ready to hear. He's also ready to be a little confused and would be whatever. Cats like, Chris Martinson from the Peak Prosperity podcast.
He knows. I mean, he's sort of a friend. I mean, I know him in acquaintance of mine and he's seen what I've been doing to get rid of my license and all and and taxes and so forth. We need to get to podcasters. We need to get this to just a couple of people. Matt Taibbi might start to break a story. Right. What's his name? Ron Paul. He's gotta shut his mouth, but I love him to death and he can't shut his mouth and I hope he never does. But for god's sake, tell the last part of the story, Ron, or do you not know it? Somehow? Or you somehow blunted a little bit to the finer detail that everyone on this call is aware of. I don't know. But we gotta get to some of those guys. That's my opinion.
[02:44:22] Unknown:
We're what in in god's due time, Dan, you know, I've been trying to force this for so many years, and, it's not an easy message, especially when you don't really, have it where it's simple. To get it across to people is a very difficult proposition. So I just kinda came back and licked my wounds a bit and said, you know, this is I can't open this door. Okay? And so this is god's project here. I call it god's trump card, and, it's up to him to open the door, and that means it's up to us to mark time till he comes and do the best, things we can. And so I keep trying to refine it down where it's a simpler message and, to just build a proper foundation.
I'd I'd much rather have a, a proper foundation than be a flash in the pan, which is what, you know, up and down usually with no foundation brings. So and I've learned to have fun with it. Feel ready. Yeah. Well, I think we're getting a lot closer. I can tell you that. I can feel it. Look at all you fine new people that have come on just in the last couple of weeks. Okay? So we're getting some momentum, and that's gonna continue until, like you're saying, we get a shot at one of these other guys in a bigger platform. Yeah. And one of those at some point
[02:45:48] Unknown:
is gonna break it open like a log jam. That's what I think. Yes. That's, like, how it happened before. Wait till Jimmy Dorer finds out. What the what the heck? You know? Yep. He might be one of the lowest line but but hopefully we can get back to the bank of, of of North Dakota at some point and have someone come in and talk to us and see what do they know. Where are they headed? Not that they'll tell us everything, but it would be really nice Roger,
[02:46:16] Unknown:
I think that the state is totally without debt. Yes, Dave?
[02:46:21] Unknown:
I remember Russell Means, you know, the Lakota Indian actor was inviting people to move families and business, people to move to, North Dakota and join that Bank of North Dakota, and, you know, start a community there or a con you know, add to the community there. And I'm not sure if anything ever came out of that, but I I was really not through through InfoWars.
[02:46:51] Unknown:
It was North Dakota. Isn't it interesting that South Dakota has become one of the preeminent places in the world for trusts and those type of instruments? I I'm assuming you know that, Brent.
[02:47:06] Unknown:
No. I've been reading about it. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. And they want you to put your money in the bank there. See, establish a trust under the laws of common law trust under the laws of South Dakota. Put your money in the bank, and that increases
[02:47:22] Unknown:
prosperity for them. And Christy Noem is gonna be one of trust agents. He has I forget which one. I think she goes into confirmation maybe today. For whatever that's worth. Anyway, I don't Brent, I don't know if you, Paul, have gotta go. I I if you do, you know I guess I do. I've kinda got to go.
[02:47:47] Unknown:
Yeah. Fantastic. I do. I've kinda got to go. It's been wonderful. It's really good. It's the sort of conversation that could keep me going all night, but it looks it's quarter to 7 here. Apparently, I've got to eat some food or something. You probably got a family to feed. Listen, I'll for you right now,
[02:48:01] Unknown:
Paul and Paul work to have Paul's own show on Thursdays, and you can, pick it up by, I think, attaching to us. And and the other is Paul English Live, isn't it, Paul? You wanna plug that real quick?
[02:48:17] Unknown:
Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Paul was Paul was with us last night. Oh, Paul, do you wanna plug it? You plug it, Paul.
[02:48:23] Unknown:
Well, you can go to Paul English live dot com. Certainly, the links are there. You can go to Rumble, Paul English live channel on Rumble. And, you know, you got the right one on a Thursday if if there's an upcoming live broadcast, prior to 3 PM EST. You know you've got the right one. Just sit there, pack a lunch, stay the day, baby. You are gonna enjoy it. I actually wasn't there for the first two hours of the show yesterday. Outrageous. Outrageous. I know it's it's it's horrible, but they, but they made me sit in the back in the back room. They made me sit in the lobby for, like, 20 minutes. Very naughty. Look. You have to say the naughty stuff. Gonna be too excited about bringing Paul in here. You can't even be here on time. Bloody. Also He didn't even bloody well turn up on time. I know. Know his other accomplishments
[02:49:18] Unknown:
is, he's also a book reader because of his wonderful accent and, read the book Hellstorm. And you were are are going to do some of David Irving's books. Correct? Or have you already done them?
[02:49:31] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, I've done one. We did one. Yeah. We did one. In fact, I've got I'm just trying to chase them up. I can't remember the book I did now. Look at that. My brain's gone completely blank, and I read the whole thing. Oh, it's Nuremberg. Yeah. It was about the, Nuremberg, the final battle. It was about all the trials at the end. Amazing book. Now Paul. Yeah. And I can't help but on that subject to bring this up because of Brent's familiarity with this and his experience
[02:49:56] Unknown:
with his college, professor who was the front guy for the whole Nuremberg deal. Did you know that? Really?
[02:50:04] Unknown:
I think I've heard mention of it somewhere. Yeah. Wasn't there a name the other time when he was on? Yeah. I think so. Oh, William William Franklin Fratcher.
[02:50:13] Unknown:
Yep. I did a search on him afterwards. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, we did. I remember ringing that up. No. He wasn't necessarily the front man. He was a young man at that time, but he was a JAG officer Oh, boy. Yeah. And he was, and the thing that the thing that, they had to begin with, in Nuremberg was what what law are we gonna use to prosecute the Nazis? Are we gonna use the common law of England, the United States, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand? Or are we going to use the Roman civil canon law of Germany and Italy and Spain and all the rest of Europe, the continent, and then including Imperial Japan. And they decided if they prosecuted the Nazis under the Imperial law, that they wouldn't be able to commit them.
Because all around the world yet today, it's a complete defense to any crime that you obey the government. They did all plead that, by the way. I I obeyed my flag and my government. I'm not liable for anything. Well, that didn't fly because they decided at the beginning that the common law standard would be used. And the common law standard is that every man will answer before god regardless of what any man says to him or tells him to do. When somebody gives you an unlawful order to do something from a powerful position and it's the wrong thing to do, you have a duty to not do it.
[02:51:35] Unknown:
It's affirmative It's interesting, Brent, though, that they, they didn't apply that to themselves.
[02:51:40] Unknown:
I mean, the war crimes of the allies dwarf the war crimes, in my view, of the Germans. They're off the charts. Yeah. That that's normal, I suppose, of people being in the place where they are. Yep. But, yeah, I recognize that. But still, I get that. But it's important that we hold that light up and say, this is the standard. Of course, the powers that be anybody who's given an opportunity to not have to follow the law and fill his own lust. He's going to do that. And they did. I I I know your point. I get it entirely. But general marshall, head of the armed forces of the United States, when we tried our boys for war crimes after the war, we had boys that committed war crimes.
He put out the general order to the court's marshal that said that, obedience to orders can be a mitigating factor a mitigating factor, but obedience to orders cannot be the exonerating fact. You had a bounce view of it. Again, I I get it. We should know history. We should know our our shortcomings, the shortcomings of our nations, what has happened in the history of our people. You go to the bible, you read the history of of god's people. It it's nothing but a history of their godlessness and lawlessness. That's right. That's what yeah. That's what we're fighting. So, yeah, we don't wanna minimize the evils that we did at during and after the war, but we do wanna hold up the light and say at least we acknowledge them. Let's keep acknowledging them and holding them up as the standard.
Yep. Yeah. It's true. Alright.
[02:53:14] Unknown:
I I think you would find Irving's book quite interesting, Brent. Particularly all the meetings prior to the trial about them designing the laws and what charges they're gonna allow in and not allowing. It it just has the stink of a manipulated event, and it builds up as you read it. It's just an amazing thing. It's an amazing thing. I'm not pointing the finger. I'm just it's just an account from their own note from the notes. And the reason why the book is so gripping is that it's taken from directly from the notes. The other one I read, which is of Irving's, which I was going to narrate, but after I'd read it, I thought this is a narrow I can't read this. There are too many characters in it, like 50 or 60. There's just so many people in it. Was the, his autobiography or his biography, I should say, of Goebbels Mhmm. Which is amazing.
And by the way, Goebbels is not a nice man. Right? But, he is in parts, like we all are. He had his good sides, but his bad size kinda but it's an amazing it's an amazing book. It's absolutely one of the most gripping things I've read ever. But tell me again. Know what tell me again.
[02:54:23] Unknown:
I wrote this down before, but no. What's the name of the book?
[02:54:28] Unknown:
Which one? The the Nuremberg one? Yeah. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. So David Irving is Nuremberg, the final battle.
[02:54:35] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Uh-huh.
[02:54:37] Unknown:
And, it's it's wonderful. It's an absolutely wonderfully useful book. It really is. Taken really primarily from direct from source notes, particularly all the notes. I forgot the name of the characters in it now. But the note the notes that he picked up from all the British judges and the American ones, which he'd got access to afterwards, and he he weaves the whole tale together. You could I mean, they spend half their time getting drunk. I'm serious. They're they're just before the trial starts, they're all throwing cocktail parties all the time because they're going out of their minds. And they can't you know, there's a complaint about not being able to get cauliflower.
These things really intrigued me. It's always the little stuff that drives people crazy. And some of the Americans wanted their wives there because they were feeling, no, you can't have your wife there. So they got really petulant about that. Some of the Brits too. It's very it's comical in a darkly, you know, strange way as well as being, a great tragedy or or part of it. But the, yeah, it's it's very good to read. And the the Goebbels book, likewise, simply because Irving read, Goebbels diaries, which are 75,000 pages in length. Good lord.
Yep.
[02:55:48] Unknown:
And is it is it Goebbels Is it Goebbels war? Did it like the other books? Did he title it that?
[02:55:54] Unknown:
No. It's just called Goebbels. Just Goebbels. The dark side of of whatever it is. It's it's amazing. It's absolutely it really is. Because it's like you're sat next to him as he's writing his diary notes at the end of the day. It just builds up. All his peccadilloes, his sexual proclivities, he was highly sexed maniac, really, hanging around all these starlets in the movie industry that he built, and then his ability to actually construct very effective political speeches. He was in a love hate relationship with Churchill, hate mainly.
But, and and knew and was quite impressed that Churchill was able to lie even more than he was. It's really funny. It is. And and all of these sorts of things going on and their valor and their courage towards the end is quite amazing. His relationship with Hitler is remarkable to sort of read it from his direct notes. It humanizes them, which is possibly why it's not a it's a frowned upon book. It's it humanizes the whole thing. These are people with a lot of problems personally. All of the high command, just like all the others, they you know, that it's not all like in a film. And, half of them were all at each other's throats. There's a lot of ambition and competition up there at the top, and they're all trying to undermine one another. And Goebbels kinda comes out on top. Apparently, all the meetings, he was always able to really, hold his own and more than.
It's it's a it's a very strong insight into things. Also, their delusion about what happened after Stalingrad, they still thought they were gonna come back and sort of deal with the whole thing. It's it's an amazing insight as to how they operate with the information they had available at the time. So, yeah, remarkable, really. All that stuff. Anyway, I better go. What's remarkable is that I've stayed here nearly an hour longer than I'm supposed to. And I'm still here, but I've got to go now. Well, that's fine. We appreciate every second with you. I've loved it. I hope to see you soon. Yeah. I've loved it. Yeah. Thank you, Brent. Yeah. Thank you, Roger, and thank you, Paul, and everybody here. Yeah. Wonderful. Alright. Ciao, amigo.
Ciao for now. See you later. Here you go. Okay. Bye bye. Always a pleasure. Always a pleasure.
[02:58:05] Unknown:
Brent, I know you were interrupting your lunch Yeah. As we often do, And, my stomach's growling. So, I'll tell our audience we'll be back tomorrow. And, you've got, if you want to go here, Brent, you can go hear him. We're unfortunately or fortunately, depending on the week, were opposite each other. So it can be beneficial, with a simulcast, but it doesn't happen too often. Anyway, Brent's on Patriot Soapbox Saturday Sunday. And if you don't have a church home, you might certainly wanna check the Sunday edition there. And, other than that, buddy, we'll look for you next week.
[02:58:47] Unknown:
Thank you, Roger.
[02:58:49] Unknown:
Always a pleasure, Brent.
[02:58:51] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
[02:58:53] Unknown:
Thanks for letting us interrupt your lunch. We'll see you next week.
[02:58:57] Unknown:
That's alright.
[02:58:59] Unknown:
Yes, sir. What a what a treasure Brent winners. So fortunate to have him with us on a weekly basis and the knowledge and understanding. You know, the Bible says, above all, seek understanding, not knowledge, but you gotta get the knowledge to get the understanding, it seems. He's wonderful at both and, fills us. Certainly does me, anyway. Hope so with you. Anybody got anything else for me?
[02:59:28] Unknown:
Roger wait till tomorrow? Is this the yeah. Go ahead. Excuse me. Is this the Brent that teaches trust?
[02:59:36] Unknown:
Yes. Well, he he teaches it. He it's he's an attorney, and that's his specialty in his practice also.
[02:59:46] Unknown:
Great. Great.
[02:59:47] Unknown:
But he's got his website commonlawyer.com and over under winters, n I n n. He's got a number of these weekly, once a week shows that he and this constitutional sheriff in, I think he's the country's longest running elected sheriff. He's in a small county in Michigan. He's very common law, and he and Brent do these shows. He's done it on all kinds of stuff. They're all in the archives there. One of them is how to write your own trust. So he goes into what you need to do to have one lawful and legal and specific because it's an area where a lot of people have been taken advantage of, quite frankly.
[03:00:31] Unknown:
Mhmm.
[03:00:33] Unknown:
Yep.
[03:00:34] Unknown:
Yeah. I got a lot of Okay. I like a lot of. Sure.
[03:00:39] Unknown:
Okay. Well, that's a good source. If you wanna go over there, you're welcome, and good to see you back with us, Dan, and, everybody else that goes through the show. And then so these Friday shows are just real special, mainly because of Brent. And he and I have some chemistry and have for years. And then occasionally, something like today will happen where Paul, who is the father of all this stuff, he spent a year and a half reading technical manuals and freeware and to find out how we could put one of these radio stations on the air for pennies. Pennies.
K? So, I we'd so, therefore, we don't have to be begging you for money all the time. And so now we can get into these complex issues and and discuss them uninterrupted. So that's part of the method to the madness. I'll see y'all tomorrow. Have a great Friday. Okay? Ciao.
[03:01:39] Unknown:
Thank you, Raj. And I do believe that's it for the Friday edition. Good show today. Good show today. Thank you for everybody that, showed up and come on out to see us and participate. That's what makes this special is everybody working together. Catch us here Monday through Saturday, 11 AM to 1 PM Eastern on a number of platforms, eurofolkradio.com and, live.globalvoiceradio.net. You can also, join us using free conference call. Those links are on the matrix docs.com, and it's the matrix, d o c s, dot com. I have initiative mercy and a little, cold remediation to do this afternoon. So I will be leaving everything open for everybody to play and have at it in the conferences. So we've been open all day.
Thank you so much for joining us. We'll catch you later right back here on the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales. Bye now. Blasting the voice of freedom worldwide, you're listening to the Global Voice Radio Network.
[03:03:05] Unknown:
Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.
Introduction and Show Setup
Radio Platforms and Hosts Introduction
Weather and Seasonal Changes Discussion
Historical Figures and Political Intrigue
Kennedy Assassination Theories
Biblical Teachings and Historical Context
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Louisiana's Unique Legal System
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Barry Goldwater and Political History
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LBJ's Policies and Racial Politics
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