In this episode, we delve into the intricacies of common law trusts and statutory trusts, exploring their differences and applications. Mark, a seasoned paralegal, shares insights on setting up private membership associations to educate individuals on trust management and estate planning. We also discuss the historical context of trusts, the impact of statutory law, and the role of trusts in asset protection. Additionally, the conversation touches on the significance of the U.S. national status, the implications of using EIN numbers, and the potential benefits of international trusts. The episode also includes discussions on historical events, such as the influence of the 1848 German immigrants in Wisconsin and the implications of the Civil War on U.S. governance. We explore the cultural traditions of Mardi Gras and its European roots, alongside a brief look at the historical figures like Andrew Jackson and Abraham Lincoln. The episode concludes with a reflection on the current political climate and the ongoing efforts to address government corruption.
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Inject ourselves into the changes that are happening, see if we can assert our influence a little bit. That's a day to day deal. We do it six days a week here at the Radio Ranch. Roger Sales, your host. And, I guess you were gonna have Mark today as might as well be a cohost. And let's see. The date stamp is the February 8. I'll talk about that possibly a little bit. And, Roger Sales, your host. So all that, we are on a much abbreviated, list of participants today, I believe, Paul. So you might wanna hit the one, two, or three of them, and we'll move forward here on the Saturday edition, which should be kinda interesting. We'll go tickle to death to have Mark back. Go ahead, Paul, if you would.
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Yeah. Yeah. I was I was just trying to sort out where a a ringing was coming from. I think somebody's alarm was going off in another window. So Gotcha. Wanted to make sure that if I opened my microphone, it wasn't gonna wind up on the show. But, anyway, because I talked about it, so I I guess we just went ahead and did it anyway. Yes. We're on a much abbreviated list of platforms today. We're on Eurofolkradio.com. Thanks to pastor Eli James. Again, shout outs for prayers for his expedient recovery from a triple bypass of less than seven days ago.
And, we're also on Global Voice Radio Network. That's radio.globalvoiceradio.net. Or you can find those links to Eurofocal and Global Voice on the matrixstocks.com. And you can also find the links to free conference calls so you can join us live on the show. That's it. We're not on WDRN. We're not on a bunch of other platforms that we normally are on during the week, but, Saturday is kind of our playground. It's it's it's our cake. Right?
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It's a little different, day to do the program. It has different, parameters and stuff, it seems. A little bit more relaxed even though we're normally relaxed, I think, pretty informal during the week. Get a drink of water there. Pardon me. Real happy to have Mark back today because we've you've been sick for a while, partner. And, Just recovering
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about about a week. It was pretty rough, and I've been recovering and fighting a bunch of congestion, which is, pretty much cleared. Hopefully my voice is back close to normal again. Yeah, it is. It is. And, glad to be here and excited about some of the stuff that's going on. We've got a couple of two nationals that got tied up with the ATF, and they're backing up. They got their affidavits in front of their eyeballs, and next thing you know, they start backing up. So Oh, really?
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I hadn't heard you. Is one of them the guy in Washington
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that came on the No. No. I I really don't wanna say it this time because they're not totally one of them is still working on a few things. I know one other one. Yep. Yep. We do. And the other one, just got a notice that was strangely delivered. And I don't wanna say much more than that, but it was chicken, manure as much as you could imagine. You're like, really? You know? But anyway, I they they've got they're working on a few things. They do want to come on and tell their story.
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And I think everyone will be excited to hear hear that. So Well, we had a new one just this week from Washington State. I can't remember his name right off. I'm sorry to say. But, he had he was just pushing the envelope. So he went to some chain store, I believe, there, and they, make you in Washington State take a hunter's
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safety course. Oh, I heard that. I heard that.
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Did you hear him say that? And then Yeah. I did. I did. I was I know. Failed it or something. I don't remember what happened. But, anyway, they called in the ATF, and I've never heard of any of those type situations on a purchase situation of the ATF being involved.
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So Well, he went about it totally backwards. Yes. He went about it totally wrong. He went to the gun dealer where he wanted to buy a gun, and he put his affidavit in front of their face. Right. And then they called the ATF to see if they could sell him a gun. Normally, it's just a FBI background check. So Yes. Had he just not said a word and checked off national on the was it the 4773? 40 4 70 3. 40 4 70 3, I think. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's the form. So if he would've I think there's a spot for national there. And if you would check that,
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it would've went right on through. But
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I don't know. A lot of people think they gotta tell everything upfront and, you know, educate people. And that's really not the way to go about this because it it's so different that that these people just cannot handle it. It just blows their mind. And then, of course, they're It does. You know, they're going around trying to tell people, well, if they do this, they're one of those sovereign citizens and they're a terrorist. You know. So it's the less is more. The less people know about your status, it's really better when it comes to your day to day dealings. Now, me personally, because they keep a record of all your gun purchases through a a firearm dealer, and and the ATF got busted this busted on this years ago, California banned, I don't know, maybe it's assault rifles.
And so they started knocking on people's doors asking them to turn it over. Well, wait a minute. What makes you think I have one? Well, you're on my list. Well, where'd you get that list? ATF. So the ATF was never supposed to keep a list of gun purchases, but they do. They did get busted on it, and then they said, oh, we won't do anymore, but I don't believe a word of that. So, you know, if you're gonna make a gun purchase, I would strongly suggest doing a a private sale. The for the time being, there's no no, you know, no paperwork involved and No. You know, the that's just the way that you can just buy from a private individual and it's a private sale.
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I asked him if he'd why didn't he do that? And he said he's just he's he's pressing the envelope here intentionally, and you kinda pressed it the wrong way. And like you said Yeah. Yeah. Of presenting an affidavit to the clerk at the firearms store. I mean, the they're not gonna know what the hell you're talking about. Okay? No. So you wanna say, I'm a national and hope that just that would provoke some response. As I say on here quite often and accurately, by the way, it's easier to pull a rope than it is to push a rope. K? You pull the rope. So you're a national and see if that stimulates any interest in the clerk. That that's the way to go about it, not throwing the affidavit around the app.
They're Right. They're just not gonna understand. I'm I'm gonna I may even get this, link and send it to Paul through the play, just a snippet of it that Tom d sent me this morning. Evidently, yesterday, Trump signed an executive order with about four main points as it appear as it pertains to guns. And this guy was ecstatic. Okay? Oh. And I'm and it just throws me for a loop as I've said on here often. The gun people, we should have a line of them from here to Omaha. Okay? Yep. And and you can't get their attention on this yet. Trump comes out and and and basically tells them, hey. You're a serf. I'm gonna let them do this. Gonna go back and then but one one of the things you're gonna do is take Bondi and go back and see if there's any gun crimes in the last four years against the fourth second amendment and and that kind of stuff. And these guys are, yeah. Yeah. I'm just sitting here thinking I can get you back to the pure second amendment. I try and tell you people, I've talked to you about it, and man, it just does not register.
And I don't get it.
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K? Still Well, it's just so they've been so brainwashed, Roger. It's just so I guess that's it, Mark. But still, they just hard for them to imagine that they could have that kind of freedom.
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Okay. I'm gonna get that link and get it to Paul and see if he can play it for sure. Well, they call that cognitive
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dissonance?
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Cognitive dissonance is one. I call it Pavlovian programming, because that's really what they're doing is they're putting this stuff deep in you know, this is from general part. And, Bart, Mark, you may never, and this audience, many much of you may have never heard it. It was in my book, and I got this information from general Benton Parton. So the source is irreproachable. K? And I've had people ask me, where can you I find that to, I don't know if this is where I heard it, and I don't doubt it a bit because this guy would never lie. K? And so, Benton Parton, when he was investigating, communism, well, he spent a bit of time on Pavlov and his experiments.
Everyone's kinda familiar. As he said, when we were studying Freud, they were studying Pavlov. And, what, his, his experiments, of course, you're usually exposed to in psychology one zero one are are called condition response with the dog. And the first, part of the experiment was they would ring the bell and give the dog food. And they got to the point where they could ring the bell and not give the food, and the dog would salivate. K? Conditioned response. And so but nobody knows about the other parts of the experiment. Have you ever heard that, Mark? Have you ever heard me talk about it?
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I don't I don't recall that. No.
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Okay. Well, the second part of Pavlov's experiment was they took the same dog in the same room, and they conditioned it to turning on the light and beating it with a stick. And, there was a spot over in the corner with a board parallel to the floor that the dog could get under and not receive the beating. Okay? But the initial deal next one was the light and the stick. Now in the third stage of the experiment, they rang the bell and they turned on the light at the same time. What do you think the dog did?
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I don't know.
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It stood in the middle of the room and shook
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at the condition. The board to hide?
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Yeah. Yeah. Do what now?
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So it didn't go under the board to hide? It just No. It stood no more shook because didn't know what's gonna happen?
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Well, it's what they they call a, and I had it right on this, the, a state. It's a catatonic state. Catatonic. Thank you. Thank you, Paul. Catatonic state. And if you wonder what has been going wrong with Americans and you get into this condition response field, and I heard some guys that were experts on it one time listening to a discussion, and they said the interesting thing about it is the more conditions that you put on an individual, the deeper the conditioning goes. Wow. So, anyway, that's a very interesting insight. I have no idea where you can find that information, but I'm telling you, the retired general Benton b Parton told me that himself.
I heard him Ted say it in talks. It was in his talk also. So, but that's something most people never heard of. In fact, I don't know that I've ever met anybody but him that ever heard of it. Yes, Paul? Wow.
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We we have a real life example of that. Basically, when you mentioned Trump to somebody that's been conditioned by the mainstream, and they just they shut down. They just start shaking. They actually start vibrating. It's because they have been pummeled by both positive and negative conditioning when it comes to Trump. They love him and hate him at the same time, so they don't know how to sort out those, those conflicting emotions, and they just shut down. And and they don't even wanna hear about Trump because they don't like feeling that way. And the only thing they remember is, oh, I hate Trump because he makes me feel all shaky and stuff, but they don't know why.
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Well, could be. I don't know. I can't There's another syndrome you can throw in there.
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There's another syndrome you can throw in there, and that's the Stockholm syndrome that comes alive with Patty Hearst was, kidnapped, and then she become one of the one of the people that, that, she became part of the group that kidnapped her. It was a Lebanese The Symbionese
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Symbionese Liberation Army. Wasn't that it? Yeah. Lebanese. Yes. I think it was Lebanese Liberation. I think it was Symbionese. Was it? Symbionese. Yeah. I think it was Symbionese. Yep. So, anyway, look. It was Well, there's Joe. There's big Joe. Hey, buddy. It was. Paul, my name. Okay. Thank you. Paul, I just dropped you that, link. When you can let let's listen. I want y'all to hear this guy's enthusiasm
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here over this. You don't have to listen to too much of it, but just a little bit to illustrate what I'm talking about. And Alright. Welcome back, brothers and sisters. This is a day. We have the pro two a second amendment, all the goodness executive orders that Trump just dropped. Guys, we're talking seconds ago. Make sure as you're getting in here, you're sending this out to everyone. You are following me at at Braden l o a on x. You are posting this everywhere. Tag me if you want because what we've got right now, guys, is the executive orders that support the second amendment. I'm gonna walk you through the entire thing. This is what we've been waiting for. Make sure, guys, you hit that like button, subscribe the channel, turn the notification bell on. If you are here for more of what I'm about to show you and send this everywhere. It's all linked right down there in the description box. Make sure we've got audio. We are good to go. Let's go, baby. Okay.
Sorry, guys. I'm I'm really amped about this one. I'm I'm I'm pretty stoked. Okay. So, I'm gonna go through this in two ways. As you guys are filtering in, we do have the executive orders, Okay? I'm gonna read you what they've released on the, Tampa Free Press, which is right here in front of you. And again, you can see it time stamped 02/07/2025. That is current. And then I'm gonna read you some stuff that I can't quite show you on screen. Trust me. It's for a reason. Everything that I can show you is linked, because we got some source stuff I gotta protect there. But, guys, make sure you send this one out. You like the video. You subscribe to the channel because that is how you get this everywhere. We have been waiting and here we go. Okay.
Get it. Let's get it. We got enough people in here. Let's go. I'm gonna read this as it comes out. Okay? Again, let me hear you in the comments, landing planes, all the things. I'm excited. President Donald Trump has signed an executive order aimed at safeguarding the second amendment rights of American citizens. The order titled protecting second amendment rights directs the attorney general to review and address potential infringements on the right to keep and bear arms that may have occurred during the Biden administration. Remember that whole thing that he said in his, campaign? We're gonna rip it out by the root. Okay. Let's keep going.
In the order, president Trump emphasized the foundational importance of the second amendment calling it an indispensable safeguard of security and liberty, and I'm gonna read you the document in a second. He stated that the right to keep and bear arms is essential for protecting families, preserving freedoms, and maintaining all other rights enshrined in the constitution. This is why you guys put in the work. This is why you held the line for this moment right here. We have them. Let's get it. Alright. Quote. The second amendment has preserved the right of the American people to protect ourselves, our families, and our freedoms since the founding of our great nation.
The order reads, because it is the foundational to maintaining all other rights held by Americans, the right to keep and bear arms must not be infringed. The executive order and this is the this is some of the highlights that I'm gonna read right on screen with you. The executive order outlines a comprehensive plan to identify and rectify rectify any actions that may have undermined second amendment rights over the past four years. Oh, there's a few of them. Let's go. Review of executive actions. This is a big one. If you're just now getting in here, guys, pinch yourselves. You are awake. These are the executive orders that are pro two a. Send this everywhere. Alright. The attorney general is tasked with examining all orders, regulations, guidance, plans, international agreements, and other actions taken by federal agencies from January 2021 through January of twenty twenty five. The review will assess whether these actions infringed on the second amendment rights of law abiding citizens under the guise of promoting safety.
I'll save y'all some time. You don't need thirty days. They did. Let's keep going. Focus on firearms regulations. The order specifically directs the attorney general to review rules promulgated by the Department of Justice, including those by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives. Policies related to the enhanced regulatory enforcement.
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Yeah. You don't have to continue playing. I just wanted y'all to get an idea of what I was talking about with his overwhelming excitement over this that we're trying to preach to him, and none of them will listen. That I've been able to talk to anyway. One guy. There's one marksman, and I can't John or something up in Wisconsin. It's a a Minnesota somewhere up there. He was some sort of a real high end marksman too, and he prodded through ATF, found no resistance. And, but, boy, it's hard to get these guys' attention, but you just heard, man. Trump executive order, and he's beaten the band.
So, anyway, just wanted to bring out the difference. And, once again, Shelley, so these things that perplex me around this project and have for years, and they're just right there in front of you, that you cannot get these guys' attentions, that you don't need to deal with all of that crap. That I think they just don't believe you. We know why. Well, I Because I'm not sure I do know why, Paul, but there's certainly some suspicions.
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I know exactly why. Be because their business model depends on challenges too and protection of the second amendment.
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Well, in some instances, yes. But others, just old folks. You know? I don't Paul, it's just perplexed me. It's always will. I understand what you just said, but, boy, may it just shows you how deeply some of our folks are, are are are conditioned. So that was all my mind. Association?
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Do you do you think the the National Rifle Association and the gun owners of America are going to tell people, you don't need us anymore because all you have to be is a national, and they can't touch your gun.
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You would think if they're really in for freedom, they would say, look. We found this. The the the this takes away all the bars that we've been, encumbered by and gives us really a shot at freedom, but they don't want that. They they don't wanna give up. It's like Catherine Austin fits in the red button story. Same thing. So, anyway, any anybody in the audience got any, comments on that? Do we have an audience today? Anybody out there listening?
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Yes. Yeah. Listen. They're coming in.
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Okay.
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Well, my comment is it seems like that Trump is looking into right the wrongs of the ATF. So that's that's what it looks like to me. And I know that, you know, that's US citizens that have got tangled up in that mess. So I get that, but it seems like he's trying to go back and and review what the ATF has done to these people that potentially could be in jail, prison, and whether their regulations are constitutional or not. So on that side of the fence, that's a good thing. But we have the solution to stay out of that mess, and that's by being a national.
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Yep. Maybe one of these days, this information will get somebody like who's the black guy there in Austin that owns the firearms thing that took that case to the Supreme Court and won. Kath car Kathry Carthite. Do you know who I'm talking about? Cartwright. Think that might be it. Super sharp guy. K? And, yes, he's persevered and pushed some things through. He's the one that got that bump stock stuff overturned. That was their case. I think they got another one up there that they heard or might be on the slate now or whatever, but he's been very effective. There were there were rumors that, that Trump was gonna appoint him head of the ATF.
ATF is on the block, by the way. They're in the target list of mister one, mister Elon Musk and his team with big balls. I think big balls has gotten rehired. Oh, you saw that.
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Yeah.
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Well
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Do do we need to explain that, who Big Balls is?
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Well, I don't know. Is there anybody out there that doesn't know who Big Balls who has Big Balls?
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No. Who Apparently, Roger does. We've got the right now. Almost every day.
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I am. But we've got the biggest balls of them all.
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Yeah. Doctor Domingo. Yes.
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Is that Larry?
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Yes. Just wanna let you know. Hey. I'm not sure you're if you know about the abolish the ATF Act, which was introduced by so is he a senator or congressman Getz? Matt Getz?
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Gates. He's, he's he's one of your Florida reps. He's on the other end of the Panhandle there from you. And, down Pensacola, I believe, is his district part of Fort Walton. That's good. He's still he's in the house still.
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Yeah. So, 01/17/2023, he introduced HR three seven four, abolish the ATS act. Okay. And, there's a fellow by the name of Burlinson. He asked for unanimous consent that he may hear after be considered as the first sponsor. And you can read about that on on congress.gov. Yeah. But they are working a couple. Yeah. So that's interesting.
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It's but it definitely been mentioned as a target agency for Musk. I've heard that last couple of days. And, they're moving judiciously. You know, I hesitate to use the correct term for what they're doing, which is blitzkrieg, because the minute you tag them with that term, so they're gonna somebody's gonna bring Hitler up, you know? But they are blitzing. Hitler. Right. Yes. Isaiah. Where he they're zigzagging right through the agencies on and getting the baddies up there. So I never thought I'd see it in my lifetime, folks.
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So Hey,
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Yeah. Well, hey, Tom. They're the one who sent me that. And it's very interesting. See, that was an executive order with those whatever the other specific things were on it. But that started at, what, 2020 or 2021. I think you started in 2020 and went up through '20, '5, '24. And, an executive order, somebody could get elected after Trump and wipe that out. See? Anyway, hey, Tom.
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Hey, buddy. I don't know if anybody else saw it, but, supposedly, I don't know for a % fact, but looks like Elon Musk is gonna put five commercials on the Super Bowl listing all of them wasted money on on the USAID, place. That should be interesting. I hope it does because I do. Well, I do. Nancy Pelosi's name should be at the right top. They said it looks like they found a that she got a hundred and $48,000,000 from USAID. And, and they just started digging, you know, they just started digging the hole. You know, they got a little scoop out there. Now they're gonna bring in the bring in the backhoe and start digging.
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Well, I've seen two people. I want them interviewed. I I don't I think I saw his profile or him, but he was on Owen and Owen and Harrison, I believe. And then another guy that was on Alex from a different view. But what they're doing is artificial intelligence allows them to go in and work through the database and news stories and everything else of different, grants being, announced and all that stuff. And they can draw a three d like a CADCAM design of the origin of the money everywhere it goes to other distribution hubs or what what it is or what it was sent for and and then what other, nongovernmental agencies it went to, and they can map out and trace every penny.
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That's the thing. Did you hear about, Jerome Corsi?
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Yeah. I'm sorry. Jerome Corsi? They him and, him and some other math professor, they dug in and found that most all of the states election, databases have hidden the logarithms in it to be able to pull out to use duplicate or clones as he called them. Clones or dead people, as voters when they need it, and they've discovered and they're getting ready to file a couple of lawsuits. So they're you know, I don't know if AI had anything to do with that too, but Jerome Corsi was on, Greg Hunter, a few days ago, and they found all of these hidden logarithms built into the databases, and they've got it so sorted sorted in such a way that you it's very, very difficult, if not impossible, to detect these bastards, you know, and they're going after them. They think they're, like, 20 house and senate seats were stolen this election.
They didn't do it on the presidential election, but they did it on the house and senate. In the congress. Yep.
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And that's what yes. You may. Just a second, Sherry. That's what our, information exposes to the degree of sliminess these bastards will stoop to accomplish their goals. Now it's starting to come out all over the place, and that is that cascade of revelating truth is gonna continue and increase is my prediction. Yes. Miss Sherry, what do you have to add to our discussion?
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Have you heard about the new congressional budget office report that came out yesterday, I believe?
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Well, I'm Oh my goodness.
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Congress.
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Just this session. Oh, you're a Sherry. Sherry. Overmodulate. Am I loud?
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You're I'll loud.
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You're overmodulate. I'll whisper. I'll whisper. Oh,
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that's fine. That level right there is fine.
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Well, I'm whispering. It's that's very difficult for me. We can hear you. Yes. I So believe we've learned. This report came out yesterday, and the current session of congress has funded $514,000,000,000 to agencies or programs that are defunct, do not exist, and they've been doing this for decades.
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Well, the gate is up now. You know what they're doing? They're taking down any signs that say USAID, any directions there, those green direction signs and all that. They're taking down everything or blacking it out.
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Senior Roger.
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Yes. Who's that?
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There's a sketch. Two comments and a quick question. I hope you're doing well. The I guess there's a new saying. If my aunt had big balls,
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She'd be on she'd be on Musk's team?
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And, I I I I did read an article that Musk had, four, and they're autistic. I think Big Balls might be autistic, but they're whizzes. They're computer whizzes. And he has four four of them that are under 18
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going through the whole Big Balls is 26, but but when he was 16, he had a website with all kinds of sites underneath it stuff. He just like you said, one of these autistic, geniuses. I forget the word. Yep.
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Yeah. Yeah. On the spectrum that are very computer savvy. And, one last thing is I have a question, and that is, when the ATF agents take their oath, they don't swear to uphold the constitution if I'm not correct, if I'm not mistaken.
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You know, if that's true. I don't know. I've never heard that they that they don't, but if they if they do do it, they don't pay attention to it for the most part. So
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I think the word you're looking for is savant. Thank you.
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Yes. That was the word I was looking for. Thank you, Paul. Savantish kind of guys, big ball. Rain man. No doubt is one of them. Hello? Were you trying to chime in there?
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I'm sorry. This is Mark. Yeah. Rain Man. He was a Savant in the movie. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. Dustin Hoffman. Calculate like crazy. You know? But I do need need to make a quick correction, Robbie and Jack Group. Thank you. The gentleman from Central Texas Gun Works is Michael Cargill, c a r g I Thank you. L l.
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He's a very impressive guy. I mean, I'm every time I've ever seen him, yes. Thank you. I'm just, head over heels impressed with him, and I wish Trump would have appointed him to an ATF. That has shook the monkeys up.
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Yeah. Hey, Raj.
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Yes. Paul had a yes, sir?
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I don't know who Cargill is related to, but I think it's a pretty safe bet he's not related to the Cargills of Minnesota, the Green Kings.
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Probably not. Are they black?
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I have no idea.
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Oh, okay. Probably not.
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They are big males.
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Yeah. Big males. Well, Cargill's a sharp, sharp black guy. K? I think he's ex military. I'm sure he was a whiz bang in the military, but you you can see it in him. You know? With those military people that they really took to that, you can just see it even after they're out. You know, what's the deal? You can take the the boy out of the military, but you can't take the military out of the boy. Is that it?
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I think. So,
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Mark, has gotten all well on us and stuff, which were just tickled to death. Okay? Hell, I thought we're gonna have to administer your last rights or something there for a bit.
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Well, not
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not quite. Not not quite. So Alright. Well, it's good to know. And But I am turning into the incredible shrinking man. So
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Yes. Anyway
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Yeah. Well, I hopefully, you'll get healthier and feel better.
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And Oh, I already feel so much better.
[00:34:55] Unknown:
Oh, you you you hear your voice that day a couple of weeks ago you were on when you were I don't know if it hurt you to talk, but it sure hurt us to listen, for Right. You know? So, anyway, well, Mark reached out. He's gotten better, and he asked if he could come on the Saturday show and talk about some things he's been either thinking about or working on or both. And so I said, yeah. Hell yeah, man. I've been dying to get you back. And so, Mark, you wanna just take off and dribble here?
[00:35:27] Unknown:
Sure. Sure. Really, the thing I want to bring up is, you know, we've we've got lots of members. And at first, I kinda resisted this. They wanted to have me do their trust for them. And it's my book. I don't care what financial level you're at unless you're just almost destitute. But if you own any real estate or any kind of property, even if you're buying it, even if it's got a mortgage on it, you need to get that into a trust. And your vehicles need to be in their own separate individual trust to protect you and your primary trust. So, you know, people are reaching out to me. I've done trust for several years.
But there's been some, you know, concerns as far as the problem we ran into is is most individuals or couples, they don't they can't let me back up and say this. To have a bulletproof trust, in my opinion, you need a irrevocable trust. And to have an irrevocable
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trust Mhmm.
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You had to have a different you had to assign a trustee that wasn't you. And that created all kinds of problems. Well, I come across some research now that says it doesn't have to be done that way from a very respected, very respected and reputable attorney, Minnesota, and it's a game changer. And then the other thing too is the potential liability. You know, a lot of a lot of people go out here and get a trust from an attorney or another professional, but they don't teach them how to conduct their trust. It's just kinda like, here it is, you know, have a nice day and they charge you, you know, 1,500, 2 thousand or more, depending on how the complexity of your estate.
So with this latest information, and people's, you know, really needing help with trust, I decided, you know what, I'm gonna put together a private membership association. I'm gonna have some weekly meetings with questions and answers, and it's gonna be a training program, and I will personally help you customize a trust. Now, we can start I have a questionnaire that kinda will go through and ping your your thoughts on, oh, yeah. I've got this I've got this retirement fund over here, and I need to include that. Or I've got this over here. So I've got a a questionnaire that you can go through, and then I will I will help you together design that trust for you. Now, this isn't gonna be an overnight trust. It's gonna probably take you, I would say, three to four weeks to kinda map everything out the way you want your trust done.
And the reason why that takes time is is you may have certain things that you want done, like like my dad. He's he's got, his family home with my mom and he doesn't really wanna sell it. He wants to keep it in the family. So he's got that drawn up in a way that would keep his home under the control of the family and not just selling it off. So, you know, you can do things like that. And then there's other things too. If you have an irrevocable trust, you know, you think that, well, I can't change it. Well, that's not true. If if you wanna change it, you can put a, an addendum into your trust that says that it can't be changed unless by written approval by all beneficiaries.
So now if the beneficiaries because all trust is supposed to be operated with the fiduciary duty to take care of the beneficiaries' interest in the trust. But if all the beneficiaries are in agreement in writing and you add that to your trust documents, boom, you can change the trust. So anyway, with the liability and just everything potentially, I thought the best way to do this would be a private membership association. And people can join, and, we will walk them through a training program. They'll be a lifetime member, of course, and they'll help them with their their, trust. If they ever have any questions, we can cover that with them.
And so what I'm gonna do is, you know, normally, my trust without much support at all is at least 1,500, and most attorneys are charging 2,500 right now. So what I'm gonna do is for the first ten people, Rogers listeners, I'm going to charge $750 to become a member, and we're gonna do your trust documents. You're gonna get educated how trust work, how it's structured, what to do potentially in a in a court case if it ever gets challenged, and we'll be here for you. So, again, it it's for only 10 people. This is brand new. I wanna start with 10 people so we don't get overwhelmed. And it's $750.
Now, I'm I'm working on the website right now. We'll have our own separate, email. But for the time being, if you're interested in that, you can email me at mark, m a r k, at, sorry. Let me back up. Straw man. You can email me at straw man, s t r a w m a n, at mark, all caps, dot com. Now, it doesn't have to be capitalized. That was just my moniker when I first started coming on Roger's show, Mark all caps, and the straw man. So email me at strawman@markallcaps.com. Just like it sounds. And just in the subject line, just put trust or or trust club, and, I'll get you the information, and we'll get connected, and we'll make this happen. So really excited about that. It's, I kinda been holding back because just certain concerns, but I think well, I know with the private membership association, there's really not much we can cannot do.
And I'm excited about helping our members get a trust and get protected and do what they need to do. So that's it, Roger.
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Well, even if you are a national, and some people are in a situation where it's this real smart thing to do, you know. We first started trust started coming around in the nineties when I was first into this few years, and there was people who traveled all over the country charging, well, like Mark said, a lot of money. And, it's a interesting field. It's not exceedingly complex. It's just not a lot of people know about it, and it's easy to pull the wool over somebody's eyes, with with instruments, like this. I know we had a, a listener here recently, a couple months ago, who wanted Brent. So can Brent, can you point me towards, somebody, who could write me a trust?
And he said, well, I I can't do that. But what I want to do is point you to my course over there on my website, which goes over where you can do your own. Okay? Basically. But most people don't wanna do that. But he he said, here's the reason. If you don't understand the basics of the trust and you go pay somebody this 1,500 to $2,500. And what if they don't do the trust that you paid them for correctly? Would you ever know it? If you don't know the basics of the instrument, you wouldn't have any idea. And, those most of those people, they go down the road and hit a schedule, and then they're, here today. What's the old saying here today gone to Maui? Okay?
So, when you need to, some help on it, you can't find them. So anyway, I think it's a valid offering. And if you don't wanna do it yourself, you I think we've pretty well learned we can trust Mark. You know? We got somebody on the inside here that's practicing paralegal. I'm a paralegal too, but I just never practiced with anybody, you know, for ten years or more. And Mark's been around the patriot movement, and he knows these things and has had a pretty darn good amount of success, Mark.
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Well, thank you. I've I've actually been a a practicing paralegal for over twenty five years now.
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Oh, wow. Okay. That long. Okay.
[00:44:25] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. And then the other thing too is on on this type of trust that we're talking about, this is what we would call a common law trust. It's private. It does it's not registered with anybody. And when that time comes that the trust needs to be executed, where the instructions in the trust are handled by the trustee, then it's not shared with the public. It's all private. You don't have to go to the court. You don't have to go to probate court. You don't have to share anything with the county. So the public never gets to see what property you own.
If you go to probate court and you have, if you have a a will or don't have a will and you pass away, if you have any property like a real estate or cars or whatever, that can't just be transferred to somebody else. No. If you have a will or don't have a will, you're gonna end up going through through probate court. Okay. And most families are gonna have to hire an attorney and then all your property becomes public record. So, you know, to avoid all of that, you want to
[00:45:37] Unknown:
go sell it. The IRS is gonna come into play, and we just went through this with our family home when my mom died last year. Yep. And, I this is one of the things that I that really gave us problems, her on the side of understanding this information. And she did just didn't wanna face it. Until there, for the last few years in the Biden administration, she, started asking questions. I mean, well well, she shocked the pants off me one day when she said she'd been listening to Alex Jones. You know, evidently, the little radio station there in Panama City was carrying him. So she came around, but, we didn't go back and review the will that she'd written twenty years later earlier. You know?
And so, and you're right. What I was trying to do was to let her try and see what this was that we're up against and how you protect yourself like putting the house is free and clear and never had a mortgage on it. Not one day. Sixty something years. You know? And, it could have very easily been put in a trust and avoided the probate, the lawyer that to handle the will, all all all the crap, Ben. So it's just a smart thing to do. They're a very valuable vehicle. This is a common law trust that Mark's talking about. There's over my understanding, Mark, there's over a hundred different kinds of trusts. So they've all got little variances and all kinds of stuff, and that's why you really need to know. You need to know what you're doing or you need to be working with somebody that you know knows what they're doing. Who was trying to say something?
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That was from Springfort, Michigan.
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I'm sorry. Go ahead. Subject one. Hold on. I don't know. We're talking
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Oh, sorry.
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Oh, so, yeah, that I'm just your name? Michigan. Jimmy. Alright. Or we haven't talked to you before. I From Michigan. Okay. Well, have you been have you spoken with us? Okay. Sorry. My bad. I'm getting old. So what's your question? Been two or three years.
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Okay. What went into the subject line?
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Oh, Mark I must be lacking. Just just put trust or trust club. Just use the word trust, and, we'll that'll that'll catch my eyeballs a little quicker. You know, the other reason I'm I'm doing this is over the past, I don't know, six months, people have listened to this show and referred to me, where they've had problems with a a trust that they had. But somebody comp went in behind them and a family member, when the person was not in their right mind, the the the, grant or the settler, that's the person who creates the trust. They weren't in their right mind, and they've had family members go in and update the trust or redo a new trust that took over the old trust and made themselves the sole beneficiary.
And all the family members were cut out of valuable property that should have gone to them. And that's what their parents had intended on, but you had somebody who took advantage of the situation. And so it just breaks my heart to hear that because most of the time, I can't do anything about it, and it's gonna take a court fight. And this is why if you have an irrevocable trust, you're not gonna have a family member or an outsider sneak in and have your parent sign away all their property to somebody else because they weren't in their right mind. That will stop that immediately.
But it's gotta be irrevocable trust, and I've got the way to lock that down and protect it so that everybody knows what's going on, as far as inside the trust and protect everybody's interests.
[00:49:38] Unknown:
Now the state that has evidently become the leader in trust, maybe around the world, they're getting all kinds of worldwide business, Mark, is South Dakota. Do you know about this? No. I have not heard about that. No. Oh, South. Yeah. And it's been going on a couple of years. K. And so the, one of the reasons I heard about it was a case that they were talking about, and so many people are going to South Dakota and having this set up, but they had a loophole in the law. And, that if you change if a grantor was going to change trustees, they didn't have to notify the old trustee that they'd been replaced.
K? So there's a loophole up there. So the example was a guy and his wife that built some, you know, incredibly successful company, got a divorce. He put a trust and put her in as the trustee, I think, And then he got married to a new woman and switched it out and put the new wife in her place, but she didn't have to notify the first wife. So she went to do something with the trust, and she's locked out. And nobody ever gave her notice or told her. So there's a loophole in it up there. Don't know whether that was intentional or not, but it made the news here. Oh, a couple years ago.
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You know, one little change could have fixed that. If he would've put in current spouse who is presently in their name. You know? The current spouse instead of naming directly.
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I've heard of guys that call their spouse, my current spouse, just to keep her on her toes.
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Yeah.
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Ah,
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so, do you Johnny Carson?
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Was that Johnny Carson you said that? Might have been. Who's
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who's the other guy? By the time, buddy. We do you know about Louis Grizard? You ever heard of him?
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No. I don't think so.
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He was pretty famous, writer, sports writer, and comedian, wrote a couple of books and was on Johnny Carson, loved him. And he was funny as hell. And, he, he had he died early with heart. He had heart problems, unfortunately, but he used to say he said, I've got a car, a a bumper sticker on my car that says honk if you weren't married to Louis Grizzard.
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Oh my gosh. Hey, Roger.
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Yes. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Well, I got a really funny story about him, but it's sports oriented.
[00:52:22] Unknown:
And and and but I don't wanna maybe interrupt the flow if we got something important. Oh, no. It's okay. That's okay. I just I noticed that Sketch had his hand up earlier. He did? Sketch, if you still have something you wanna come online with, just unmute your microphone and let us know what what you had there. Sketch Sketch, you're sounding a little distant lately the last few times. Telling you way off of the background. Connected with you. What's going on? You got your speaker phone sick or something?
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No. He's not gonna come back. He's still, like, he's still muted.
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I'll give him a second here. And I and he lowered his hand, so I just wanna make sure we didn't skip over him. Alright.
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Well, let me tell you this Lewis Grizzard story. I heard him tell you. He's a real funny guy, man. The people in the Southeast, especially in Georgia, know who he was. So when he went to University of Georgia, he was a huge Bulldog fan. And so when he was at the university, he wrote for the Athens newspaper. K? He was a sports journalist. And, and so he told his roommate, he said, I I'm gonna sneak see if I can sneak a headline past the editor that'll get everybody's attention. So okay. Well, so the the game was, Georgia's rival, South Carolina.
And they usually used to play each other early in the season. And, Georgia had a all American lineman named, I'm not kidding you, this is true, Happy Dicks, okay, was his name. And he was injured, and he wasn't gonna be able to play. And so, they played the game in Georgia one, and the next morning, the headline read dogs beat cocks with dicks out. That's true story. That's a true story. Okay? Now South Carolina, they're the Gamecocks, if anybody They're the cock Gamecocks for those of you who might not know. So, anyway, a little off color, funny. It is Super Bowl weekend. Cut me a little slack.
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Let's see. Did they post? They wrote that. They let it fly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Got past the editor. Oh my gosh.
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Yeah. Lewis Grizzard. You could probably put that in YouTube and come up with something more. This guy was just hilarious.
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Come on, Sketch. Sketch was, unmuting his mic. I heard a little background noises.
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Alright. What'd you got, Sketch? Yep. Oh, we're just loud and clear now.
[00:55:06] Unknown:
Well, I'm sorry. I I'm sorry for that. Well, I asked Mark if, you know, if this trust is good and all of its states. Now Yes. It has different laws, and I'm wondering if, you'd have to look at the state laws to make sure that it was still good or it I mean, it's a strong
[00:55:28] Unknown:
If, Mark, can I answer if it was a statutory trust, you'd have to do that? But this is a common law trust, and I think it bars bars that. Right, Doug Mark? Exactly. Exactly. Except in Louisiana. Except in what do you do in Louisiana?
[00:55:45] Unknown:
You can't you can't have a trust in Louisiana. I can't you maybe you have one, but you can't set one up out here.
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Well, they don't have they don't recognize the common law. So, I I don't know. You know? I don't know who might have as as Ted Kennedy said, sketch, we'll drive off that bridge when we get to it.
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Okay. Sounds good. I'll drive off with you. Okay.
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No. No. You'll be with Mary Jo.
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Oh, I don't want
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no. That's no. She's got big balls. But thank you, Mark. And, I'll try and come up with some other good questions. I thought that was fair. Thank you, Scotch.
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No. Thank you.
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Gotcha. Alright. Yes, Paul. You gotta we don't have to Louisiana
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is a lot like yeah. We, yeah, we don't we don't have to do that. So the whistler's already been muted. It sounds like Louisiana is a lot like North Central New York. There's a a law firm in Remsen, New York, and it right. There's a sign right on the door. It says there is no law North of Remsen.
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It's a I have no idea what that means. So
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Wow.
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Uh-huh. Yeah. It's weird. Okay.
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Is that Boston territory?
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I'm I don't know. I hope I hope you're not having to feed them a reach hope you're not having to feed them a retainer, Paul.
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Schedule your needs back up, please.
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I have one more question.
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Oh, oh, you got a question?
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Yes. So a private trust is common law and a public trust is statutory
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trust. Right? Exactly. Yes. Okay. Thank you. I do. You're welcome.
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Yep. That's what makes ours so powerful, you know, because it's all private.
[00:57:38] Unknown:
I mean, I would've given anything. I would if my mother would've listened to me and put that house in trust, we could have avoided all that stuff. My brother still may have stolen the whole estate, which he'd ended up doing, but at least it wouldn't it say he could have stolen the attorney's fees too. You know? So, anyway, it's a it's a mess. It's a very, very wise thing to do with property. You heard Joe say when they were at he said, do you what about your car? He said it's in a trust. Okay. Boom. And moved on.
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Yeah. It's not yet. That's
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right. So, no, it's very wise asset planning. And, if any of you are interested, contact Mark and have any questions subsequently or whatever. But if you need it, this is a real good way to protect your assets.
[00:58:30] Unknown:
The Yeah. Just email the straw man. Straw man at bar call caps dot com. Just put trust or trust club. Just lead off with trust in your subject line, and, I'll I'll return your email. We're like I said, we're getting the website set up, and and we'll have a separate email address for all the members.
[00:58:49] Unknown:
Okay. You know, I got a question. You didn't, infect straw man, did you?
[00:58:54] Unknown:
No. No. But, he he's been been awfully lonely while I've been sick. So I'll bet. Now it's springtime.
[00:59:01] Unknown:
The other question I have is, is he susceptible to hay fever?
[00:59:07] Unknown:
No. But he does get little green sprouts here and there every once in a while. I see. So whatever's whatever's in the air tries to blossom on him or bloom on him. I see. Well, he's quite a character.
[00:59:18] Unknown:
Glad to have both of you back. Well, it's good. So, anybody anybody in the audience got anything you wanna bring up? Saturday? You wanna pawns your date on something? Straw man? Straw man doesn't suffer from hay fever. He's a carrier.
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No. That's true.
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Okay.
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Okay. So that is very true. Thank you for clarifying that, Paul. May I ask? Anybody yes, ma'am. You may. Look at one lady Linda's with us. What a treat. Yes, ma'am. Hi. It's me, Julie. Hi, Mark. Oh, I thought you're lady Linda. You you sounded like lady Linda. Hey. Go ahead, Julie. I'm sorry for stepping on you.
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Yeah. Thanks, Mark. Before you ever gave out your email, I had already emailed you and put trust, please. So I hope I'm in your group I hope I'm in your group, and thank you for coming on today. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm yeah. No problem. Yeah. I'm definitely interested. I I have some things that need to be put. So whenever you get that up, let us know how we pay you. Alright. Will do. Thank you. You're welcome. Julie, how you doing? How you doing with the program? I mean, I know you're a sharp gal, and you've really been studying. You feel like you've really got
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firm control of it, I would imagine, at this point. Correct?
[01:00:32] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm, more worried about taxes right now than anything because I know I'm out individually, but I'm not sure if I need to do, I'm not sure if I need to actually file taxes for my irrevocable trust that I have right now, which is a statutory one as well as my, s corp. That's what I'm working on this weekend.
[01:00:53] Unknown:
Well, typically, unless you have money flowing through your trust, it doesn't owe a tax.
[01:01:02] Unknown:
Yeah. I do have money I do have money flow flowing through the, irrevocable trust, but what I did was I paid myself a management fee for whatever income that generated. So I think I still probably need to file for the trust.
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Possibly. Yeah.
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Just to For the s corp.
[01:01:22] Unknown:
It it it depends if the if the trust actually generated taxable income or not. It did. Okay. Well, then, yeah, you'll probably have to file a separate, form for the trust.
[01:01:36] Unknown:
Right. I'm not sure about my house. Wouldn't if you're gonna take all the profits out as management fees,
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Julie? Yeah. That's what that's what I said. Pardon me? Yes, Mark?
[01:01:50] Unknown:
No. Go ahead, Roger. I had a a very important point. Go ahead.
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If you take all the profits
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as management fees, then wouldn't you have a zero return for it?
[01:02:02] Unknown:
Yep. That's what I was planning on doing. Oh, there you go. That's that's good. Alright. Well, that's the answer. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But I just wasn't sure about the s corp because I know that the LLC flow on your tax return, I wasn't sure about our s corp. I think probably I have to file for the s corp too, but I took the profits out of that too.
[01:02:21] Unknown:
Well, that's correct. So same thing with the s corp. It'll have to file. They may not have any taxable income because it went all straight to you. And then which, you know, gives you all the deductions for the LLC. This is normally why most people let me back up and talk about the standard structure first. Usually, you you you've been told, go get you an LLC. And sometimes you need that to do business to business. They won't do business with the individual. You're gonna have to have at least an LLC. You go to an accountant and and they've been trained to, oh, you got a LLC, you need a s corporation.
That's just standard practice. They don't know any differently. Right? So now you you any money that comes in and I'm not saying it's bad. I'm talking about for regular US citizens trying to get their tax bill as least as, you know, as low as possible, this is standard practice and there's nothing wrong with it. So all the money that comes into the LLC, it writes off all these tremendous deductions and get it gets all their expenses written off. Then the money left over typically goes to the owner or multiple owners of the LLC and when they receive that income it goes over into their individual tax returns.
That's the standard practice. But as a national, we don't even have to mess with any of that. You can revoke your s corporation standing with the IRS. You've got till March 15 to do it this year, so it cuts it off as of January 1. In other words, you can make it retroactive to 01/01/2025, but you must get your documents in by the March 15. Okay? From that point on, for the rest of 2025, after you revoke your s chapter corporation, all money will flow through the same LLC, through the same tax number, but directly to you as a national. And guess what?
Unless you're falling into the two sources of income or three sources of income, if you're dealing directly with the United States government, like if you have some kind of government contract, that's gonna be taxable income. If you get taxes from a domestic stock that you own, in other words, here's, x y z corporation. I bought their stock and this stock pays me dividends. So if you're getting paid dividends from corporate stocks that you personally own, you owe a tax on that. And if you own a bond, a corporate bond, not a US bond, not a government bond, those are tax free. But if you own a corporate bond and it pays you interest throughout the year, then you owe a tax on that. That's it.
So if you're running a business and you don't get sources of income from those three areas, you're good. Oh, one other one. I just ran across this. It's kinda surprising. One of your listeners, Roger, had worked for the, railroad company and they had a pension. So if you're getting money through a railroad pension plan, that's taxable. That's under section eight seventy one b as in bravo. Really? Eight seventy one b as in bravo. The rest of what I just explained was under section eight seventy seven b as in bravo. So very unusual. You don't hear too many people that worked with the railroad company, but they were given special tax status when, they were first getting started and they were getting people to work with the railroad company because that was a huge game changer as our country was being founded.
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Yes.
[01:06:17] Unknown:
So so, Mark, what happens if the, irrevocable trust generates, dividend, income and interest income and you basically take that, distribute that to myself as an individual or, use it as management fees to deduct off the irrevocable trust return so that the net income is zero,
[01:06:41] Unknown:
then are you still have do you still have to pay No. It's not a corp it's not a corporate bond and it's not a corporate stock. It doesn't fall in those two categories.
[01:06:51] Unknown:
So if you get, for corporate stocks and corporate bonds, if you do, like, capital gains on those, are those taxable at the individual national level as well?
[01:07:01] Unknown:
Okay. Only if listen very carefully, Julie. You if you see, not corporations issue stocks and bonds. Right? Right. But they issue different categories of stocks. But not all of their stocks pay a dividend. So if you bought stock from x y z company in that particular preferred stock pays you dividends throughout the year, those dividends are taxable because that that corporation is a US corporation. That money you're getting is is seen as coming through a source of US income. Okay. The the the that big corporation who's on the Wall Street Stock Exchange is considered somewhat owned by The US as a source of US income and they and they tax you on it as a national.
So if you own individual corporate stock that pays you dividends throughout the year, that's taxable. But if you have a trust, it doesn't matter unless that trust issues some kind of stock and you're getting dividends off that stock. But even then, that trust is not not has not been approved by the US government. There's no US government oversight on how those stocks are done or membership, what do you call them? I lost my train of thought real quick. Certificates. So you can have membership certificates inside of a LLC. Not really a trust that I'm aware of. It depends on the type of trust.
But in our type of trust, really shouldn't we shouldn't be flowing money through the trust. Money should come into the trust to maintain the trust. But it doesn't go out to pay other people other than maybe a trustee for management fees, which is which is natural. But again, not taxable if you're a national. So really, you you can you can just write off all your other scenarios because I've given you the the scenarios
[01:09:10] Unknown:
that would be taxable as a national, and that's it. That is it. Hey, Mark. What do you say then? Hope that helps. And then Mark, so the last thing that you said you have to file by March 15, an s corp. You have to file a revocation.
[01:09:26] Unknown:
Right. Your revocation if you wanna get your your s corp canceled this year and have it count as being 01/01/2025, you must get your revocation of your subchapter s corporation filed with the IRS before March 15.
[01:09:46] Unknown:
Okay. Is there a form on the IRS site I would use for that then?
[01:09:50] Unknown:
Not a form that got a guideline. I've got a form I can send you. So
[01:09:55] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you, Mark. You're welcome. Thank you very much. Would you My pleasure. Wouldn't it be correct to say that a trust is not necessarily a business vehicle? It's a property vehicle. It is a business vehicle also.
[01:10:10] Unknown:
No. No. It I would not recommend using a trust as a business. Okay. That's what I thought. A trust is a property vehicle. It's for holding property, period. Correct. Holding property. Now money can go into the trust, but it's only to maintain the trust. In other words, let's say you got a home and it's in a trust. In other words, the name is gonna be, you know, registered with the the county. Your property taxes are gonna say, because you're gonna transfer title from your name, even if it's under a mortgage. You transfer into the name of your trust, you file a quitclaim deed with your county to put the property into that trust. Otherwise, you're kinda sitting there unprotected.
Well, you know, I take that back. There are people that will sit there and hold a quick claim. It's already notarized, and it may have a back date on it, but it is official. You don't necessarily have to file it. But if you pay the taxes, those taxes need to be paid by the trust and in the trust name. And I lost my train of thought there, but money going in oh, here we go. Money going into the trust should be to help maintain that property. So you might have, maintenance on the home. You got, you got your property taxes, things like that. You wanna have a bank account that's on that is set up just for that trust and many money that goes in, and it could be by anybody.
Again, it written into your trust documents. It could be the grantors. It could be the beneficiaries. They're responsible for funding the trust and making sure the trust has money to maintain and take care of the property in the fiduciary interest of Uh-huh. The beneficiaries who are gonna be the heirs of your estate.
[01:12:07] Unknown:
Well, it seems like since they're gonna receive the house and, in essence, halfway own it already, that things like a new roof or, any of those types of things that they would be wanna pay for.
[01:12:21] Unknown:
Insurance. Maintaining insurance is the biggie. Right. Okay. You want you want your you want your trust and your insurance to be underneath the trust name.
[01:12:30] Unknown:
Yeah. Okay. Cool.
[01:12:34] Unknown:
So, again, if something happens to you, there's not like, well, you know, mom and dad was taking care of this, and it's all in their name, and dah dah dah dah. No. It's it's all inside the trust, insurance, property taxes at least. Utilities could be still paid by the grantors. But but the main things that need to, you know, be inside of there would be, you know, property taxes and insurance. And I'm sure there's could be some other ones I'm not aware of at this moment, but, those are the two primary things that you want maintained in the name of the trust.
Mhmm. And so now if mom and dad, they they, for whatever reason, are unable to take care of that, then the the the beneficiaries need to step up and take care of that. Okay. And that's where the money goes into the bank account. That's where the money goes into the bank account under the name of the trust. And that's a fully funded trust.
[01:13:28] Unknown:
I see. Anybody else got any well, there's two or three right there. Yes. There's Yeah. Guy and a gal. Right? Was that Samuel? Is that you? Alright. I'm a good lady. Yeah. Oh, Samuel, hold on. You're gonna defer to lady Linda. Yes, ma'am. Okay. Yeah. I'll make greet everyone. Greetings, everyone. Lady Linda Louise. Max, have you found that the irrevocable
[01:13:51] Unknown:
trust bank account is an easy, one to acquire?
[01:13:56] Unknown:
And Oh, yeah. You do
[01:13:58] Unknown:
Yeah. It's a problem. You How do you find it easy to acquire? Do you use,
[01:14:04] Unknown:
what kind of EIN number do you use? Yeah. You you you your trust will sign up for a tax identification number for for this. Now there's certain trust you may hold property that don't need a tax. There's not gonna be a bank account. But for our trust purposes, we're dealing with real estate and assets like automobiles, motorcycles, boats, things that are registered with the state, including your real estate, then yes, you need a tax identification number for your trust. You, you have a one page authorization from the trust to open up a bank account. Now they don't get to see your trust documents. Again, these are private.
So there's ways that that you can set up you create the authorization from the trust to open up a bank account, and that's part of your trust documents. So now the trustee can walk in and open up a bank account, which will actually be upfront will be the the people who created the trust. They're gonna be the initial trustees, and they're gonna have the document needed and tax identification number to walk in to a bank and open up a trust account. Not hard at all.
[01:15:21] Unknown:
And so these, banks don't want to see the trust documents?
[01:15:26] Unknown:
No. And they're not you can't you can't it's a private trust. They don't get to see them.
[01:15:31] Unknown:
Right. So
[01:15:33] Unknown:
You okay. You can get a document. You can get a you can get a signed notarized document authorizing the person to go in and open up the trust account. And with the tax identification number, it is not a problem.
[01:15:50] Unknown:
Okay.
[01:15:51] Unknown:
If they demand to see your if they demand to see your trust documents, you're at the wrong bank.
[01:15:57] Unknown:
Okay. Because that that has been the snafu for many people with, Common Law Trust getting that bank account. But maybe you have
[01:16:08] Unknown:
information that Same thing with registering a car. I bring a one page document that says I'm authorized to do that in the name of the trust, and I I register the automobile inside the name of that trust. And and it may vary. You may have to contact your, you know, your your state DMV or whoever you register your cars with in Oklahoma. We have tag agencies. And I just ask them, hey. I'm I'm putting this car into a trust. What do you need from me? And they'll tell you. And and but if if they're saying we gotta see your trust documents, they don't get to rifle or make copies of my trust documents.
They can make a copy of the document I bring in that authorizes me to transfer this into the trust. But think about it on automobile, you know, you got a title to your automobile, or I should say a color of a title to your automobile. Certificate of title, not the actual title. But it has the the owner and the and the the buyer. Right? So you sign off. And, again, this varies, like, from Nevada. It's very different than Oklahoma. But, typically, I'll just give you an Oklahoma. The whoever currently owns the vehicle transfers, signs off, and transfers the title to whoever the buyer is, which would be your trust, and it's notarized in Oklahoma.
And so you walk into your your tag agency in Oklahoma, and you show them your one page document, you know, certifying that you have a trust and, a tax number, and they transfer it. But they have the requirements. This is not like something new. All all your agencies that handle transfer of title will have a list of what you need to transfer whatever into a trust. And once you have that list, then you just provide what they need and it goes smoothly.
[01:18:09] Unknown:
Thank you, Mark, for that clarification.
[01:18:12] Unknown:
You're welcome, lady Linda. My pleasure. Yep. Hi, Linda.
[01:18:16] Unknown:
Thank you, Linda. Samuel.
[01:18:18] Unknown:
Yeah. Thank you. Mark, I I have a different view of this. I hope you don't take it as a an attack on what you wanna do. I I think that what you're doing is probably sufficient for certain people here. I take a different look at it. You know, if you look at the history of trusts, the common man in this country prior to the civil war didn't believe in them because Christianity doesn't want you to waive liability, and they stuck in the common law, which when it comes to land, would cover things like, a breach of contract, negligence and fraud.
And the problem with trust is they're all in equity. And we don't see equity in this country until after the first ten amendments to the constitution. Those are in common law, and everything thereafter is in equity. And if you're gonna have an adjudication in a court, it's going to be in equity. Let me read you a little thing that AI gave me on beneficiaries. Beneficiaries have no right at common law to have the terms of the trust enforced, but the court will require the trustee to carry out those terms to prevent a wrong against the beneficiary. Now you're going to have to go into what say say like myself I I do not want to be in equity. My land patent paperwork says this document will not suffer any disabilities in equity and it's doing that for a reason because it doesn't want them adjudicated in an accord of equity because it's in common law, not even at, it's in.
If if I have an as a national, I am in the common law. I'm not at the common law. I am in it. And if the way I would approach it, Mark, is and this is what I'm trying to do and write the paperwork for right now, and I wish you would exercise it as well because you have a great mind for legal manners, and that is taking my inheritance as a national and a Christian through Jesus Christ to attain a laudial right. And there is no such thing as title. We say that allodial title all this time. That is very much a man made term.
Allodial is really outside of, it's still the unwritten common law is what Allodial right is. When you start saying title, you're entering that commercial state of that they've created all around us. And that's the only caution that I have, is if we're truly gonna be nationals, yet we play with equity, are we not serving two masters? I I guess that's pretty much what I got to say.
[01:21:27] Unknown:
Well, you know, I appreciate that. And I'm not saying that you're wrong at all. I just know we live in a very litigious world. And in my book, one of the ways to protect my property that is most commonly known is a trust.
[01:21:44] Unknown:
Matter of fact that.
[01:21:46] Unknown:
Yeah. You have Joe Lustica that they wanted to take his car. And then when it come to light after he, you know, kicked in a filed his quote, Oronto, when they found out, well, you know, your this car wasn't even in my name. It's in a trust name. Oh, shoot. We shouldn't have taken your car because it's not your car. It's the trust car. So the the public is more more knowledgeable of how the protection of trust. And I do believe you're probably right on the right track, Samuel. It's just that that within our litigious society, you know, people don't know how to stay out of equity or operate in equity. And, that's one of my next things I'm getting ready to learn is go through a a course on on equity jurisdiction.
Because I've got friends who are having tremendous results in using equity, but it's, it's very difficult to stay inside of that level of equity, and most attorneys don't know anything about it. But I just know that that a regular trust, a common law trust, even like what we're talking about, it can be defended by most anybody because it's more commonly known and understood. And then the as far as being liable, and I know your concerns about, you know, making yourself or your collection proof, but the way I look at it is you don't get justice in court anymore.
And I would hope if you're a Christian and you harm somebody, or you damage your property, that you will do the Christian thing and do everything you can to pay for those damages. But I also know that it may not be your fault. And if you get sued and you go to court and you're found, or you get a judgment against you because of whatever damages you might have caused, then if if if it's a, a bad judgment, in other words, you weren't really guilty of what they're saying you were. I shouldn't say guilty because that's criminal. But if if you didn't do what they said you did and you're not liable, then this gives you the protection to decide whether you want to pay for whatever damages or if you get a bad judgment against you where you you didn't cause any harm, then your property is protected.
But if if you don't have it that way, I think it's gonna be more difficult to defend in in the the way that you're talking about. Because I couldn't even probably hire an attorney to protect me at common law, unless you could find somebody like maybe Brent Winters that that could do that. And I know right now, he's so busy. Well, they say he's busier than a long tail cat in a room full of rocking chairs.
[01:24:37] Unknown:
So
[01:24:38] Unknown:
so I just I just find that the the trust that I'm, you know, talking about is more commonly known and easier to defend. High yield. Yeah. Yes. Merck, I wanted to say something to him, Merck. You sound you sound a bit better?
[01:24:53] Unknown:
Yep. I am. I'm feeling better now. I wanted to share that, what what, Samuel just explained is something that we should really think about. We are becoming and removing ourselves out of The US system as a US citizen, being a public citizen. We are now in the private. And I completely agree with what he said just because I was Oh, your your your phone's met, Merca. Your phone's messing up. My phone, the it's, like, static. Can't hear it. And now it's better, I think. Yeah. Okay. Samuel was saying that, you know, we are bringing ourselves back into that system, and we need to pull ourselves out of that system.
And I I hear people using, and it's it's hard to get away from that because sometimes we have to use these EIN numbers, but they are still part of The United States. You know, you're still using their tools. And there's ways of doing things in the private with your affidavit and your lawful legal notices. And but you just need to learn how to do it and learn how to how to do that. You know, do the research, do, you know, educate yourself. How do you live privately as a private individual without having to use their tools? That's what we're trying to remove ourselves and detox as much as possible.
So I just keep hearing, using the EIN, it's hard, you know, for me to even think that, you know, yes, it's still part of us because, you know, some of us do need to use it. But how what can we learn that will keep you in the private instead of mingling with The US system?
[01:26:49] Unknown:
What we're trying to You make sure the checking account's a noninterest bearing account. That'll give you another layer.
[01:26:57] Unknown:
Yep. Right. Exactly. And and you like, when we do our notices, we are telling them that we are not a public citizen. We are not a federal citizen, and we are in the private. So we need to carry ourselves that way. Well,
[01:27:14] Unknown:
that's me. That. So But but you're still part of the country. Alright. Well, then you're still part of the country, and that doesn't mean you can't use their systems. Or if you do use your system, I've in my interpretation on something like this, it's no foul, that I see. Right. Okay? But will you you've people take it as pure as you want to. Okay? Right. Yeah. You I see no harm, no foul. People to learn,
[01:27:42] Unknown:
you know, more about being private and being in the common law and learning how to do your own paperwork documents because that's what's gonna that's what's gonna protect you. You need to learn how to defend yourself.
[01:27:55] Unknown:
You know? Well, that's what this is about.
[01:27:57] Unknown:
Internalize that private private individual that that we are now as a national.
[01:28:03] Unknown:
All all this is about being able to have you able to defend your position if it's ever challenged. K? And fortunately for us, it's hardly ever, if ever, challenged. That I can remember over a long number of years. Yes. Who had the question right there?
[01:28:25] Unknown:
Hey. Hi. This is Wayne down in Texas. Hey, Wayne. Hey, buddy. Yeah. Hey. Great presentation by Mark. And, one question that popped in my mind is, Mark, is, how does your style of common law trust compare or contrast to a living trust? Have you studied living trust much?
[01:28:44] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. A living trust, really, the difference is is that it's revocable and it could be changed by the grantors, which is the creators of the trust, who are also also usually the trustees. They could totally scrap that trust and start over if they want. So there's a big difference in in irrevocable trust, which is a a family trust, typically is what they are. Then they also can be attacked rather easily by government agencies. So they they do what's called bust the trust. So, you know, it it actually, all trust can be attacked by government agencies and the the famous case that I rely on a lot on is Enray Baum, it's b a u m, and it's out of the tenth circuit court of appeals, and they put together an express private trust, and there's six elements that you gotta meet.
And a US Bankruptcy Trustee was attempting to bust the trust of this gentleman, and there was some question of whether the trust was actually handled properly because the, I think the trustee was taking money out of the trust, kinda like a loan and then he paid it back and really nothing in the trust documents would allow that. But then the judge goes, but nonetheless, he meets these six the trust meets these six elements, and he told the trustee, the US Bankruptcy Trustee, you cannot bust this trust. So I the the the family trust is gonna be revocable, and it's easier to break.
[01:30:33] Unknown:
Mark, where's the tenth circuit? Oh, tenth circuit's
[01:30:36] Unknown:
tenth circuit's Denver. Okay. My bad. Yes. That's correct.
[01:30:41] Unknown:
Yep. But those same principles apply. You're gonna see that applying almost all the across the state. By the way, Louisiana does recognize irrevocable trust. Really? Just look that up while we're chatting. Yeah. Okay.
[01:30:56] Unknown:
Well, that's pretty
[01:30:57] Unknown:
If I if I may, I this is out of the book of the hundreds. It's page one seventeen. It's under Patriot Mythology. They're saying here and it remember, this is a very, Christian point of view, and these are the people that would have you do your allodial, right through Jesus Christ. So take so when I read this, you understand where they're coming from. K. Says here that the UBO trust, better known as the common law trust, never existed in common law. Trust like all other instruments that create a commercial fiction are and have always been repugnant to the truth.
The information on trust being so so numerous, I'll try to keep it simple. First, a trust carries with it an equitable duty, a benefit, commodity, and limited liability. Second, a trust reduces your legal title in property to an equitable title. That's why my land patent says this will not suffer any disabilities in equity, thereby entering that property into commercial activity. An equitable title cannot be defended in a court at law or with a non statutory abatement. Third, when receiving the benefit as the beneficiary of the trust from the trustee, the beneficiary surrenders a legal right and joins the secular commercial world on record to wit.
It gives you a trust beneficiary, A person named in a trust as one whom a party to the account is named as trustee. Uniform pro uniform probate code six dash one zero one. And then it gives definition of person. Person in that realm. The person for those for for whose benefit property is held in trust. Restatement second trust three. Anyway, this is this problem is is you're anything you're gonna deal with from there forward or you have a claim, you're gonna end up in their courts of equity. And
[01:33:32] Unknown:
they basically replaced the common law courts. So Well, I respectfully disagree because what you just described is a statutory trust. First thing they say, what was that, Croaks, what you quoted, they talked about a fiction, like an entity. Well, that this is a statutory trust because our private trust is not an entity. Trust in general is not a fictitious entity, and you cannot sue a trust because it's a relationship. And the courts have said that over and over again. Trusts are relationship. They're not a fictitious entity like a corporation or an LLC or similar.
They're a relationship between parties, and you got the creator of the trust, you got the trustee, and the beneficiaries. Okay? Now you could sue them individually. That trust beneficiary
[01:34:27] Unknown:
is a person.
[01:34:28] Unknown:
Excuse me. Samuel, let him finish, please.
[01:34:31] Unknown:
So you can sue the the trustee if they're violating the fiduciary duties. You can sue the creator of the trust. You can sue the beneficiaries. But there's no such thing as suing or representing the actual trust because it's not an entity as as you spoke. And then the other thing, you talked about going to court. Our our our trust are private. They do not go to probate court, and you reference going to probate court. That is that is, that is showing that this is a statutory trust that you're talking about. Ours is private. The trustee sits down with the beneficiaries when the trust is supposed to be executed, which is typically upon the death of the of the creators.
So usually you have one spouse dies, the next spouse dies, and now that triggers the execution of the trust. It's written in your trust documents, and the trustee must execute the trust. You have a private meeting, and the trustee goes over with the beneficiaries of how the trust is gonna be executed, how the property is gonna be handled, and so forth. And it's all above board, but it's completely private between those individuals, high yield.
[01:35:57] Unknown:
Mark, I don't think it said entity in there. I think it basically said commercial fiction. There you go. Same thing. And it and it ties it to a person. And a person, it it tells you what a person is here, you know? Okay. I just explained
[01:36:11] Unknown:
that the private trust that I'm talking about is not a commercial fiction. And it does not go to probate court. Because in your description that you're reading there, it talks about probate court. That is a statutory trust that attorneys like to do because now they gotta represent you in probate court. And I'm not and I'm not disagreeing with what you read, but I'm saying the trust that I'm talking about, I wasn't able to put together
[01:36:40] Unknown:
his prior. Okay. Yeah. And his or now Samuel remember what he's gonna do is behind the PNA walls also.
[01:36:49] Unknown:
Well, that's just keeping our our our members private and and our discussions private. So, you know, I think it's the best way to handle it.
[01:37:00] Unknown:
Question. What there's I think the key thing that they're saying here, because this is all about the non statutory abatement, is that anything that's inequity cannot be defended in a court of law.
[01:37:12] Unknown:
I would disagree with that.
[01:37:15] Unknown:
Okay.
[01:37:16] Unknown:
We got people who are doing it. We got people that are coming into equity and winning in court.
[01:37:23] Unknown:
And it's not do to your national status, though? Nothing.
[01:37:27] Unknown:
It has nothing to do with national status. We got we got nationals and non nationals going into court, operating in equity, and they're winning. And it's it's my next my next level of knowledge and my learning is gonna be exactly that. I've sat down with the national, who is, him and other non nationals are winning in court. You know who they're winning the easiest with? The IRS. And IRS comes knocking on their door. They're using equity to handle the matter. So this is my next level of knowledge. So and I feel like it perfectly dovetails with us because our primary thing that we get hit with is the IRS. They only slap you with fines and penalties. And just in the event, I don't think it'll ever happen, but who knows? Just in the event, they try to go after somebody, one of our nationals, and the IRS comes back and says, oh, well, all this tax refunds you got, well, you shouldn't have got those.
Well, we're gonna use equity to take care of that. So I understand and I know that when you walk into court, you're it's presumed, I've read many court cases on this. It's presumed that you're walking into a court of equity. And that's where we that's where we end up losing because the judge has all kinds of of, way of Well, they wear a bunch of different hats. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So anyway, we don't know that. We walk in thinking we're gonna get justice. We think we're in common law, but we're not. When you walk into court, you're you're you're it's presumed upfront initially that you're walking into a court of equity. And if you don't change that, if you disagree with that, but you don't say nothing, you know, it's it's a slippery slope to losing.
So I I hear what you're saying, and I don't disagree with you. It's just that I'm talking about something different, and I'm talking about a private trust that is not a statutory trust.
[01:39:31] Unknown:
Okay. Fair enough, Mark. I just wanted to bring up the difference in, point of view, and it's nice to have a discussion with you.
[01:39:41] Unknown:
And it's and I'm not saying you're wrong, Samuel. That's valid. My problem is is we're dealing with a bunch of snakes who are not Christians and not honorable. We're trying to be honorable and they, you know, they'll eat us alive if we really don't have a handle on what we're doing.
[01:39:58] Unknown:
Yep.
[01:39:59] Unknown:
There was somebody who was trying to get in there a second ago. Who was that? Samuel? Yes. Just a second. Samuel, your points are very well taken, and I appreciate that.
[01:40:08] Unknown:
Yep. Yes.
[01:40:10] Unknown:
Is that Yes, sir. Thank thank you for, doing this today. So No. You're welcome. In a in a common law, trust, the only people you have to notify after the death are the the people that are involved with the trust. Is that correct? There's no The beneficiaries.
[01:40:29] Unknown:
Right. The beneficiaries and the trustee. You know, hopefully, the trustee would would have a close enough relationship with the the creators of the trust and to know what, you know, what trips the trigger to make sure the trust is executed.
[01:40:48] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you. And I have one, since you brought the IRS up again, I've been wanting to ask this question for a while. So if you're a stock owner of a business and you get dividends and those are taxed, but you are a owner of that company in essence. Right?
[01:41:08] Unknown:
Well well, yes. But we're only talking when you talk about stocks, that may be like, your own little corporation or even a subchapter s corporation. We're talking about a mega corporation that's registered on the stock exchange.
[01:41:24] Unknown:
Understood. Understood. So
[01:41:26] Unknown:
yeah. And and then what I'm I'm going well, if you're a stock owner and you own the company in essence, right, because you're a you're a shareholder, and the corporation gets taxed and you get taxed as a shareholder, is that isn't that, in a way, double taxation?
[01:41:46] Unknown:
Well, it's on different amounts though. The corporation is gonna get taxed on whatever is taxable. Whatever flows through to the shareholder, that's gonna be separately taxed. You should not be getting double taxed because the corporation's gonna write off everything it can. What's left over is gonna go to the shareholder, and those are two separate amounts that are being taxed. Okay. Corporations
[01:42:13] Unknown:
don't pay corporations don't pay taxes anyway. They just raise the price of the good service.
[01:42:21] Unknown:
Sure. Sure. It all it's all written off. That's what corporations are all about, is write offs. They're writing off everything they can. Yep. Yeah.
[01:42:30] Unknown:
Yep. And limited liability. You remember what George Gordon said? You you ever told you that, Mark? George Gordon said, I hate I hate insurance, and I hate limited liability. I want personal responsibility. And if I harm you and I can't make you whole, you can drill a hole in my ear, and I'll be your slave.
[01:42:55] Unknown:
Yep. Yep.
[01:42:57] Unknown:
Roger.
[01:42:59] Unknown:
Well, there's Larry.
[01:43:01] Unknown:
Yeah. Thank you. I was wondering if, Mark can explain this, private trust that he's, advocating for. Is that is that the same as a common law trust?
[01:43:16] Unknown:
You could say that because it's not a statutory trust. I would call it a common law private trust, and it stays out of the public completely.
[01:43:28] Unknown:
So, why do you think, most of the trusts out there are, like statutory trust? Is it because that's what the attorneys have been trained to do? And because it sounds like if more people, even U. S. Citizens were aware of private trusts, they would be putting their property in a private trust. Is that correct?
[01:43:52] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. I would agree with that. The it's to the attorney's best interest to make it along the lines of the statutory trust because when the when the the spouses, when they pass away, then they're going to be called on for their services. So it's, like a lot of attorneys will give away for next to nothing, if you want to write a will, you know, a hundred bucks, we'll we'll write you a will because they know when that's executed, then your family's gonna call that attorney because this thing's gonna be on your will, and they're gonna take you into probate, and they're gonna have to hire the attorney or a attorney to go into probate court.
So there's a a self interest in doing statutory trust for the system. Between the courts and the attorneys, there's a there's a self interest in promoting and using statutory trust.
[01:44:47] Unknown:
And another thing is I've heard that, most of your like congressmen and senators, they they have enough sense to utilize private trusts as opposed to statutory trusts And I think, like, what what Roger always talks about, we'll we'll get to that bridge when we run over it or drop into it or whatever about the the lady that Kennedy killed.
[01:45:11] Unknown:
Right.
[01:45:12] Unknown:
Mary Mary Jo Kopechnick.
[01:45:16] Unknown:
Right. Roger, isn't wasn't she, or wasn't his trust a private trust?
[01:45:23] Unknown:
And I'm I'm pretty sure he's a fan of both. I think I think the Kennedys have all that stuff in private trust, but I don't I don't have any way of knowing, Larry.
[01:45:33] Unknown:
Oh, I promise you it's in a private trust. Now it may be it may be managed by their attorneys because they're wealthy enough to have, like, you know, full onboard, you know, monthly retainer attorneys that are there whenever they need them. But I can promise you that that would be a trust. And I promise you that the the millionaires out there that that have these types of estates, they're very well aware of the difference between a private trust and a public statutory trust.
[01:46:04] Unknown:
By the way, Mary Jo, I have heard was pregnant, but don't know for
[01:46:13] Unknown:
sure. I got one last question, Mark.
[01:46:16] Unknown:
Yep. Go ahead, Scott.
[01:46:19] Unknown:
So let's say just for I know we don't like, hypotheticals, but so you go to a lawyer. Okay? And, he's doing a statutory trust. And you ask him, is this a private trust or is this a public trust? And he tells you that it is a private one and it is actually statutory. Is there any plausible deniability that he has?
[01:46:50] Unknown:
Not well, yeah. He has plausible if he just says that verbally to you, Sketch Right. And you don't record it, then he's got all the plausibility in the world. If you have a witness? Then they could fill out an affidavit, and you could fill out an affidavit. That's not what he said, but I would and when I'm talking to anybody, and I say this to anybody who who I talk with, is I want you to record it, you know, just for memory purposes. And if nothing else, you draw up in a you draw up what I call a a state a memorial statement that says, you know, dear so and so, on this date, we discussed this, and you said that.
And if you disagree, let me know. Now I memorialized our conversation, and I'm confirming that they told me that this is a private trust, and it should not go into the court system. Right. That's that's another level of security.
[01:47:47] Unknown:
Yep. I agree. And, they are equivitators. I can Yep. Say that.
[01:47:55] Unknown:
You're well. You see, it we're such a habit of dealing over the phone, and especially when it comes to something legal. Now, you know, if your friend calls up, no big deal. But if I'm getting a call about, you know, some kind of business, taxes, insurance, whatever, I want that call reported. I'm gonna report it. Period. Right? And, that that allows me to go back and take my notes and and be able to draft information so that in the future, if there's any question, then we know what transpired. I yield. Thank you.
[01:48:32] Unknown:
I have a question.
[01:48:34] Unknown:
Roger. Okay?
[01:48:35] Unknown:
Hold on, Larry. There was somebody else before you. Yes, sir? Yeah. That's
[01:48:40] Unknown:
it's me, Dan. How you doing? Roger Dan from Longmeadow.
[01:48:43] Unknown:
Oh, hi, Dan.
[01:48:44] Unknown:
Mark, it's good to hear you. Good to hear you too, Mark, and thank you very much. So, I've been looking at trust for a long, long time, and I keep looking at it, and I keep getting stopped at the gate because the rules seem to state very clearly, even on the concise and trusty handbook by the wise concise trusty handbook, that one per one living man or woman cannot be all three. And I keep wondering what is and even if we can,
[01:49:16] Unknown:
like, what position is That's correct, Daniel.
[01:49:21] Unknown:
So what position
[01:49:23] Unknown:
what position is I don't wanna be the trustee. The trustee is the person that they that they take into court and and and and lay levy fines upon. You know what I'm saying? They put us in a quasi trustee position when they all that. So I would like to be the beneficiary, but I just I don't know who to trust as a trustee.
[01:49:43] Unknown:
If you own the property already, you're already the beneficiary. So we're putting our property over into a relationship between three parties. One is the creator of the trust, which is commonly referred to as a grantor or a settlor, s e t t l o r. And then you've got a trustee, and you have, secondary trustees, and then the first trustee can't, can't, execute the trust for whatever reason, and then they pass away. So you have substitute trustees that will take their place and you have a method of them being selected.
So
[01:50:25] Unknown:
and then I don't know who to trust. That's the problem. Who do I trust with my with my Well title to my house for instance? The Okay. You know what I'm saying? Slow down. Slow down, Dan. Slow down. I'm trying to explain this to you.
[01:50:39] Unknown:
Okay? So you can be the trustee, but you can't be the creator, the trustee, and the beneficiary. It cannot happen that way. There's no relationship between the parties because you're everything. And just like you said from the wise group, you cannot be all three parties. You can be the creator of the trust and the trustee, and then you gotta have separate beneficiaries that could be individuals, churches, anybody you wanna name as a beneficiary, you can name them. And then when, typically, when the creator of the trust passes away, the trustee has a very strong fiduciary duty to execute the trust.
Okay? And the and the beneficiaries are the ones receiving whatever's inside the trust. Could be property, could be money, could be jewelry, real estate, cars, boats, motor homes, whatever. The trust explains how they want that property treated. It may be the trustee sells all the property and the money is divided up between the beneficiaries. Or a certain percentage goes to this beneficiary. Another percentage goes to another beneficiary. So but but you can't be all three. And if you want and what I recommend for my students is if you're going to you need a alternative trustee and a way for them to be selected if the if the creators have been have passed away and the trustee for whatever reason cannot execute their duties, they could die, they could have a medical disability, whatever.
The beneficiaries all agree we want this individual to be the new trustee. And in writing, all beneficiaries say yes. That could be a pastor of a church. I know people who have done that as an alternative. They say, oh, well we all trust this pastor of a church to execute the trust. Now, one thing I would really strongly recommend is that when you have your trust done, you really should give copies to the beneficiaries or at least to one beneficiary that you trust. They don't all they don't all have to know what you got upfront. But you need some way to get a copy in their hand so they can make sure the trustee is doing their job.
If that makes sense, I yield.
[01:53:24] Unknown:
Well, the question still stands. It's like, I mean, for us normal folks who, you know, we I have friends I totally trust, and some of them are even nationals now, and so I could, I could we could be each other as trustees, I guess. It's just that it's a little bit harrowing to take your home and take the I hate this word title to it, but it's the only one I know right now. You take your title to that home, and now they have legal control of it even though I enjoy the full breadth of the use of it. Well, that's not exactly Who do you name as a trustee yet? I mean, are you the beneficiary in your thing?
[01:54:05] Unknown:
Not on mine. I'm I am a beneficiary to my parents' trust. Copy. Yeah. So but but the trustee, if they deviate from the trust, you can sue them individually for violating their fiduciary duty to execute the trust the way it's supposed to be done. Or if they're mismanaging it, take money out of it for personal use, then yes, I can sue them individually. Now that part would be in court, but the trust documents are private. If I have to go to court and I've got to prove that they're not doing their duties, that doesn't get put into the public record. It doesn't go into the court record. My trust documents are private, they don't get filed into the court record, and only the parties involved including the judge can review them privately.
And the judge can make a determination of whether the trustee is operating properly or not. But none of that they don't get copies of it, and it doesn't go into the public record. Right. Interesting. So you so you're the trustee, apparently, and I then I yield. No. I'm not a trustee. Well, I am a trust You mean a bank? Trust. Right. But in my parents' trust, I'm a beneficiary. Yeah. Who, there was a female I am a trustee. It's a mother trust. Yes.
[01:55:28] Unknown:
Okay. Who who's our female there with the question? We're running out of time.
[01:55:34] Unknown:
Roger, this is Gina.
[01:55:36] Unknown:
Hello, Gina. Gary's Gina. Hey, Roger. Gary's Gina. Yes. Okay. How's the restaurant?
[01:55:47] Unknown:
Restaurant's doing okay. Could be a little busier, but it's going okay.
[01:55:52] Unknown:
Alright. How can we help you, sweetie? Good to hear from you.
[01:55:56] Unknown:
Well, it's it's good to hear hear you too. Can, you guys say keep Gary in prayer? We're in we're back in the hospital.
[01:56:04] Unknown:
Oh, no. Probably gonna be here for a day or two. That's not good news. That. So relapse is the other condition?
[01:56:14] Unknown:
It's just ongoing ongoing struggle that we've got, and, he's got a little fluid built built up because they changed his meds. So he's having a little
[01:56:26] Unknown:
trouble with that. So Alright. Well, you tell him our prayers are absolutely with him, and, we why don't, why didn't somebody say a prayer for Gary real quick? Gina here with him. Are you at the hospital, Gina?
[01:56:43] Unknown:
Yeah. We're in the ER right now, and he's stable. We're getting ready to get admitted and moved to a room. So
[01:56:51] Unknown:
Oh, well, listen. Well, I'll do it. Then, heavenly father, we ask you to lay your healing hands on our brother Gary who, needs your attention and, does the the Lord's work. And each every one of us, pray for a speedy and and maybe even staying recovery. Gina, you got our you got our prayers, dear, and I'm really sorry. You tell Gary we're with him. Alright?
[01:57:18] Unknown:
Alright. He hears you. We appreciate it. He wanted me to let you know. Alright, Joan. We love him. We love both of you. Okay?
[01:57:25] Unknown:
So pull through it, buddy. Be strong. Okay? Thanks for letting us know. Alright, baby. Thank you. Oh, boy. Thank you. Well, that's something all of us have to face is our health. Yes, ma'am?
[01:57:38] Unknown:
This is Pam in Michigan.
[01:57:40] Unknown:
Hi, Pam.
[01:57:42] Unknown:
Hi. And I just like to add to that prayer, steady hands, wise doctors, and faithful caregivers.
[01:57:51] Unknown:
Thank you.
[01:57:52] Unknown:
Thank you. And I just had one question in regards to one of the gentlemen spoke earlier regarding, having it recorded. And I don't know if I heard this or if I interpret it myself that they created AI to be able to stay out of these situations where they can claim it was AI. So they weren't really a part of that situation. So they're using recordings is a very good idea. But if you have AI, how are we going to differentiate? Was that AI or was that you or, you know so this is a a conflict now that I I believe happened with when they created
[01:58:35] Unknown:
AI. I got an answer for that.
[01:58:37] Unknown:
Okay. Mark's got an answer quick, bud. You're gonna wait for the whistler to go, and I'll answer that. Well, we can. We can wait for it. But I tell you, AI, a lot of people are using AI to our advantage, and I don't know, like the Internet, that the enemy realized what they were exposing themselves to completely. These CADCAM drawings of every penny that goes through these organizations, man, that could never have been done before. And here it is. You go every one of them where it went through 10 of them and back to the original one and and account for every penny. And they've been keeping them not in this detail, but for over a hundred years. So they got over a hundred years in a database to go back to to search. Yikes.
So, anyway, they're going to, get hoisted on their own petard. Couldn't be more just, could it? So the, exposure is gonna be coming much more exponential as we go forward, but, what an exciting time. We all better hopefully realize how lucky we are to be here with what we know. Anyway, good luck. Hope your team wins the Super Bowl. If you can't give a damn, and, otherwise, we'll, see you back on Monday. Thank you. Well, they're not finished just yet. A little bit there on the acapella end of that's from an old Crosby, Stills, and Nash. I don't even think Young was with them back then. Anyway, I believe they're done now, and that means us too.
We're gonna go away, and those of you in the forum can get an answer to this question that Pam brought us. Bye. See you Monday. Adios. Okay. Okay. May you got an answer for Pam, Mark?
[02:00:29] Unknown:
Yeah. If if you unknowingly are talking to an AI, that's an AI agent and they represent the party, whoever, you know, they're providing that AI. So if they call up and it's AI and and or you call in and you're talking to AI, you call the particular party and they're responsible for whatever that AI is telling you. So Okay. It just be like a regular agent. Right? So you've got some big corporation. They got a bunch of, employees that are working the phones, and whatever they say, they're held responsible for. That that corporation, government agency, whoever, is responsible for whatever that AI is telling that individual.
And I would record it. And if they try to say, well, that was AI, well, you're responsible for your AI. And if it's giving out bad information,
[02:01:28] Unknown:
you're still responsible for it. Yeah. That's how I would Laws of agent. Well, laser all laws of agency would apply there, wouldn't it?
[02:01:36] Unknown:
Absolutely.
[02:01:38] Unknown:
Yep. Yeah. There's usually disclaimers on all the AI stuff when you get to the bottom, you know, the basically making those statements that, I actually, in fairness to Mark, asked AI about the nonstatutory trust. And here's what it had to say. A nonstatutory trust is a type of trust that is not created under a specific statute or law, but rather through a written agreement between the granter and the trustee. It is a private arrangement that does not require any state filings, and the trustee has more flexibility in managing the trust assets and fulfilling the granter's wishes.
Non statutory trust can be used in a, for a variety of purposes and such as holding property for the benefit of a specific person or group or for holding assets for a specific period of time. Yep. I I yield.
[02:02:40] Unknown:
Thank you. Thank you. Thorough. Pretty accurate. Pretty thorough.
[02:02:43] Unknown:
Yep. Yep. Pleasure.
[02:02:46] Unknown:
Yes. Now, Larry, come. Yes, sir.
[02:02:50] Unknown:
Yeah. I was I was trying to ask this before. Are there any advantages to having a statutory trust over a common law or private trust? Do you know of any, and does Mark know of any?
[02:03:03] Unknown:
I don't. But this is not my field either, Larry.
[02:03:08] Unknown:
No. I I don't know. There might be now for our property holding trust and for estate planning. Okay? Now there may be, reasons you would want us a some type of statutory trust outside of your estate planning. I don't know what those will be because all mine has been focused all my energy has been focused on estate planning trust. So now another advantage of this, and this is why if you've got much of anything, you wanna get into a trust as quickly as possible. Because if somewhere down the road, you need government assistance with long term care, like in a nursing home or so forth.
That long term care won't cut in or won't let me back up. The government won't help you with your long term care if you have any assets, especially if you have assets. Right. So you have to deplete all your funds, and then the government will step up and start helping or paying for your stay in a nursing home. Okay? Or or for a loved one. So now it was three years. I've been told, you know, it went to five years. I've gotta double check. But lately, I am told I was even told they could go back seven years to see, you know, what type of assets that you transferred out of your estate. So this is my focus as estate planning.
Statutory trust, there may be a benefit outside of the estate planning. I'm not I don't know.
[02:04:47] Unknown:
There's over a hundred
[02:04:49] Unknown:
there's over a hundred different kinds, Larry, with all kinds of each one separate by some little minutia. I I suggest everybody, if you're interested in this, whether you use Mark or not, to take Brent's advice and go over and take his course on trust. And then you'll know know him pretty well inside out, I guess.
[02:05:10] Unknown:
Another thing is, when Samuel was talking before, he was saying that, I guess, he was saying you didn't agree with trust that are in equity. When he said that, is that another way of saying that he didn't agree with trust that are using statutory law? Yes. Okay. Is there I mean, I don't I don't think statutory law is all that bad, is it? Because I remember Joe coming on last Saturday, and Joe said that he found a statute that was based on the constitution. So I'm thinking sometimes the statutes are established upon constitutional law, which we know is usually
[02:06:03] Unknown:
common law. Well, that's Do you agree with that? United well, our same, United States code, some positive law and some nonpositive law. The positive law is based on the statutes at large and the information from that law being brought over in whole cloth into that particular title of The United States code. For instance, let's look at the opposite, title 26. Larry, have you ever heard me say that title 26 was never passed by the Senate and it was never signed by the president?
[02:06:39] Unknown:
Right. I've heard you say that plenty of times.
[02:06:42] Unknown:
Yeah. So it's it's non positive law. But it's in the code, but there's other ones that are that are, title eight, I believe, is positive law. Okay? So, anyway, that's where the Roman civil code is. That's the old amalgamation from Rome from the just civil, the law of the civilian, if you will, over to just jinsom, the law of the foreigner because they incorporated Babylonian self help remedies, and therefore, afterwards, much of the Babylonian code over into the Roman civil code. Took two hundred years, but it happened. So they they they're mixed.
You know?
[02:07:31] Unknown:
Well, also remember statutory law applies to them, not nationals. So we can use statutory law against them to our benefit.
[02:07:42] Unknown:
Well, if it's a if it's a a positive law, it does apply to nationals, Marx, my understanding. I could be wrong.
[02:07:51] Unknown:
I don't know. That's a good question. I don't don't necessarily think so. I think the constitution
[02:07:56] Unknown:
applies to us. Regulations that are off of them that don't apply to us. Right.
[02:08:01] Unknown:
Right. K. But, anyway take a look at that. I'm I'm not so sure. Well, it's a good question. Your voice sounded like it was getting a little weak there at the end. It is. It's, this is the most I've talked in weeks. It's been a blast. I've I've enjoyed it tremendously.
[02:08:18] Unknown:
Good. And you come you're well enough to start regularly attending, I hope. And, so has anybody else got any questions for Mark or myself? Because I I'm into my short weekend.
[02:08:33] Unknown:
Yeah. It's time for lunch. Roger. New Orleans checking in. Hey. Look at that.
[02:08:38] Unknown:
Look at Dwayne.
[02:08:40] Unknown:
Yeah. You're right. Great talk, Mark. I love the thing about the all your knowledge about the trust, and I'd like to learn more from you about this. But the main reason I'll call, there's a did yesterday, I was listening to Tom Rentz and, Alex on a Yeah. I saw that interview. Twenty five minute. I saw that interview. Did you see that interview where he actually talked about the the using the actual department that all these people are freaking out that he started that, Musk and Trump have started their own agency outside of the legislature?
[02:09:17] Unknown:
Yes. No. They didn't.
[02:09:19] Unknown:
Okay. No. They didn't. That was absolutely amazing. I just finished listening to it and walked into the Dollar General to get some some oil for the truck. And I'm trying to relay this to the cashier, and there's a guy behind me that is listening to this, and I was then turned around to start explaining it to him. And this guy pops off. He's ain't my president. I don't claim him. I said, you know, dude, that's reality. He's out all of our president. And he said, stop pushing your agenda. Wow. I was like, dude, I I didn't say it because I didn't wanna get in a fist fight with the guy. But, it was like we've been listening to you to having all these you know what agendas push down our throat for the last twelve, fourteen years. And I'm like, you know, it's just amazing what people how they don't live in reality.
[02:10:13] Unknown:
This makeup stuff. So Do you remember the story on what what it is they coop tiered where it came from?
[02:10:22] Unknown:
No.
[02:10:23] Unknown:
Not all of my Medicare. Came in, and they set up a bunch of websites and had a whole bunch of problems with them years ago. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[02:10:33] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. That's what Tom was talking about.
[02:10:36] Unknown:
This was an agency that they set up to go in and straighten out all those problems, and it's even got the same an acronym. It's got The answer. Whatever the name of the thing is it's the same exact an acronym for DOSH. It's funny as hell. Yeah. They were we're using their They were set up
[02:10:55] Unknown:
that that so when y'all were talking about the good good statutory codes and not, you know, and less than than beneficial for us. I was like, you know, that's exactly what what Trump and and Musk and his team have done. They come up and use the statutory against the communist, you know, that have been just taken, you know, just destroying this country.
[02:11:15] Unknown:
I am so proud of them and to see the growth in Trump or whoever he is have as his advisers around him now that wasn't there before or whatever. But in a lot of their stuff, they're taking a secondary approach because they know what they're gonna do. In other words, you you were gonna close all the DI offices and then sends out another letter. If you see anybody changing that from DEI to whatever, you report it. You know? So they're even taking into account the reaction from this slime of their actions. So it's I'm just entertained, encouraged, and, blissfully happy, on what Trump has accomplished so far.
[02:12:00] Unknown:
Yeah. And I'm interested to see how these judges are gonna rule once they bring once Trump's lawyers bring up the, the fact that this is an existing agency and Musk already has a top secret clearance. There's a lot of this defense department and space work is what I imagine.
[02:12:19] Unknown:
So Well, even if it's one of these reactionary judges, it'll get overturned in appellate level. Would somebody try to say something there?
[02:12:28] Unknown:
Yes. Some people say, Roger, that, it's gonna come down to a federal judge and Trump, and Trump is gonna defy them just like Andrew Jackson did and say, what are you gonna do about it? It could be. Do we really wanna go there? I don't know, you know. I mean, that's gonna really open the can of worms. But on the other hand, this AIDS group was was paying for 7,000 or no 700 news outlets and 6,200 reporters.
[02:13:01] Unknown:
Yep.
[02:13:02] Unknown:
Yep. Yeah. Around the world. Propaganda. Right? So And now all of the the best going.
[02:13:08] Unknown:
PBS, all those contracts have been put on hold,
[02:13:13] Unknown:
I believe. Roger?
[02:13:15] Unknown:
Yes. I heard that on the news today that 25, Democratic US attorneys has has, put a stay or had petitioned the government, filed the court case to stop, them disbanding USAID and, a judge, I think, ruled on it already. I'm not sure about that, I heard you. I think they can. They're totally under they're totally under the auspices of their power.
[02:13:44] Unknown:
I mean, these people are squawking, but every legal expert that I've seen addressed it, they're totally within their rights and all the power that he's got with that office. He's not creating things. He's just like this rock, rock, rock. He's going in and taking an old agency that wasn't used and bringing it out. It's already established, dusting it off, and weaponizing it.
[02:14:08] Unknown:
Yep. And I have one quick more more statement is, in the chat at, 08:41. There's a video on collection agencies must stand down the FTC band, the collector's list. And if Tom Deese is on this program, I'd like to talk to him after you leave. Thank you, Roger.
[02:14:30] Unknown:
Alrighty.
[02:14:32] Unknown:
Well, and one of the other things I've seen on all this is that how many people that are are moaning and groaning and bitching about all this money being saved or all the shenanigans stopping with it. How many of them actually went in protest when the CCP actually hacked or was given access to the Treasury Department about two months before the end of Biden? I'm doing tax shit, man. You get it on you. None of them did said a damn word. You're right. So, anyway, just a bunch of hooey. Alright. That's oh, I see. The last thing is So you okay.
[02:15:09] Unknown:
Go ahead. I was gonna say about the Super Bowl. I was gonna make that's what I was gonna mention. Go ahead. I'll I'll follow you.
[02:15:17] Unknown:
Well, all I was gonna the amount of armed National Guard, cops on the street, state police, and other state policing agencies that are down here right now is for the all week long was more than the people on Bourbon Street. Now I haven't been down there since Thursday afternoon, so that could've shifted. But it was like, oh my god. Talk about two you know, what the difference of two weeks or, you know, three well, a month and a half, I guess, now. But, from the New Year's Eve where they were all asleep at the wheel, all the policing agencies and, and what's going on down here right now. And that was irrespective of of president Trump coming down here this weekend.
[02:16:03] Unknown:
Yes. So we got a new sheriff in town. And, for the audience that may not know, you got the Super Bowl there tomorrow. And then Mardi Gras start today?
[02:16:14] Unknown:
Well, Mardi Gras actually started about two weeks ago, but the main parades don't start. They're only really on Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sundays now. And that's not for the last two weeks of February. And, then Mardi Gras Day is is Tuesday, March 4. Now the guy that was hired to come he was a Former New York City Police Commissioner and then LA Police Commissioner, a police, an organization that really is, backs the police around here, hired him to come in and do another study of how to make the city safe. And the guy was like after about three weeks, his name's Brack, and Brack said this week, he said, I had no idea Mardi Gras Day was Mardi Gras was like a month long and all over the entire region. He said, heck, in New York City, we have the Macy's Day Parade. That's three hours, three or four hours, and we have 3,000 cops for a couple of hours.
How do you police this, you know, when it's when it's Yeah. Almost it it's weeks long and and not just one day. And, so anyway, I just it it people don't realize how, a lot of people don't realize that art from around here, the width and breadth of all the celebration that goes on and decadence that goes on around here. Yeah. It's a whole year long thing when they're not doing floats. They're doing balls and stuff and all this social Ball. Social And then do it. And then do it. Second lines, you know, second lines are is typically the black community celebrating this or that or this guy dies or and and those are, like, almost every weekend, and they go they just wander throughout the city. You know? Wednesday. Well, that's the Zulu that's the Zulu parade. Right? Well, Zulu on Mardi Gras day, Mardi Gras morning. But the second line and they have a second line before, but the second line is just like a it it starts off as a lot of times as a somber, like a funeral possession.
And then some point along the route, it actually breaks into everybody dancing and hooting and hollering and Right. You know, just as a big part. For the And then For the audience, it doesn't know Zulu. All these parades, they have specific routes
[02:18:29] Unknown:
and specific times so everybody can line up and say, you know, hey, mister. Throw me some beads and all that stuff, except for the Zulus. And the Zulus start out on Mardi early Mardi Gras day morning, and they don't have a plan. They just go. And it's a bunch of boys. They just go. Yeah. They just go. They don't throw the beads. They throw coconuts.
[02:18:54] Unknown:
Coconuts. Yep. Goldie. And Well, they they they put all kinds of they each rider puts their own, like, mark and sayings or whatever on a lot of the coconuts that they give to their special friends or family along the route. But then the rest of them, you know, the regular people, they just throw coconuts. It's like, man, if you ain't watching, you know, you really have to keep your eye out on that one. So,
[02:19:22] Unknown:
anyway, I stay away from it. I'm too old for that. Go once. Right, Dwayne? Everybody should go once.
[02:19:29] Unknown:
At least once. More people I've met over the decades that have come down here for just Mardi Gras, Ten years later, they're still here waiting for the next one.
[02:19:38] Unknown:
Right. It's
[02:19:40] Unknown:
Well, you know what what really ruined Mardi Gras, because I was at school down there, at LSU in these times, was the movie Easy Rider. And that movie conjured up so many hippies, and the next Mardi Gras, all of them did anything to get to New Orleans, and a bunch of them got stranded down there. It changed the face of the whole the whole event.
[02:20:04] Unknown:
Yep. And I think I met half of them back then. But, anyway alright. Alright, guys and gals. I'll see y'all later. And, Mark, I look forward to your your classes.
[02:20:15] Unknown:
Thanks. Alright. Thanks for checking in, Dwayne. Good morning, Rucker.
[02:20:19] Unknown:
Alright. Yes, sir. Alright. Yes, sir. Yeah. I don't know if Mark is still on. I, out of respect for him, still recovering. I I had a couple of questions about this, trust thing. I caught part of it and sent an email.
[02:20:32] Unknown:
But is Mark available for a couple of questions? Mark, are you still there? Did you go? I'm here. Roger, do you need to go? I know you're Saturday. I'm gonna go I am gonna go if nobody's got anything for me, and it's a trust question. So I'll see y'all on Monday. And, have a have a great week. You, Rudy. Hope you're well. Yeah. Hope you're Who am I? I really, I guess, I guess the, Chiefs. I I really don't like Philadelphia. But I got a funny story about that, and I don't know if y'all have heard this before I go. We Atlanta, we played the the flyers in one of these big games. I think we beat them and went to the Super Bowl that year. But up to that divisional playoff, the sports station in town, which was WGST where Sean Hannity came from, and, they had different interviews with Philadelphia people. And do you know that the Philadelphia Stadium, Mark, has its own courtroom?
No. It's true. It's true. I heard they interviewed the judge. Their fans are so bad that they have a courtroom underneath the stands. Okay? And and so they're interviewing the judge. Right? And, he said, yeah, I had this one kid came in front of me and I said, son, do you really like football? Oh, yes, your honor. I love football. This, that, and the other. He goes, well, I'm glad because if I see you in front of me again, I'm gonna send you to where you go in as a tight end and you come out as a wide receiver. So y'all can check me about that. See you Monday. Bye.
[02:22:23] Unknown:
Ciao. Ciao. Alright. Good morning. No. What's that? Hey. Good morning. No. Was that Frank that had a question?
[02:22:28] Unknown:
Yes, sir. Alright. Go ahead. Go ahead, Frank. So the this trust thing that you're speaking of, it's ironic because I've been wanting to do this, on the advice of my brother to kinda get a little bit more, something set up for my situation. And ironically, yesterday, I interviewed with a lawyer, you know, the first, pro bono meeting to try and get this going. And then I hear you're you're you're offering now. Is this a class? And I I if you went through this or is there more details to come, I don't wanna jump ahead of what you might be doing. I'm trying to get an understanding of the format. Oh, okay. No problem. It's gonna it's gonna be a private membership association.
[02:23:09] Unknown:
Okay? And I'm gonna hold classes on how to maintain and operate the trust. And I'm gonna give you tools to and I'm gonna work with you personally to to help you write your trust. Okay? And you may have different different needs and everybody else, you know, different ways you wanna handle your trust. But I'm gonna give you a questionnaire to kinda check off, like, what property you might have and help trigger your thoughts. And then A lot of sorts. Right. Exactly. And then I will work with you to to complete your trust. I will basically help you write out the the structure of it, and and you review it, and we work together to get your trust completed. So I don't I don't like the idea of just creating a trust, giving it to somebody, and they don't know how to maintain or operate it.
[02:24:05] Unknown:
For the form of instruction, will it be group instruction or one on one? I guess that's where I missed the term. It's gonna be both. It's gonna be both. I'm gonna probably hold the weekly,
[02:24:16] Unknown:
like a webinar, if you will, just over the phone. Right. Right. Might do it through Zoom. I'm gonna look into doing Zoom because that way I could show documents when I'm doing that.
[02:24:25] Unknown:
And then tentative time. I know. I I apologize for interrupting. Do you have a tentative time of when that might be?
[02:24:32] Unknown:
I'm looking at at least about two weeks. I'm I'm wondering what time of the day and what day it is. Oh. That's right. Well, I'm gonna we can we can talk about that. It'll be reported reported. So I'll probably have one during the evening weekday, and then probably one on Saturday. So, you know, as a group, we can decide what will work best for us. I usually find that Tuesdays and Thursday evenings work good for everybody. And then, you know, potentially maybe on a on a Saturday or maybe maybe a Sunday. I'm tied up on Sundays usually, but
[02:25:09] Unknown:
maybe I already you filling that in. At least gives me so I dropped you an email when this was first mentioned and, we'll we'll let it we'll let it gel as you get more. So I just kinda wanna get those basic questions of what the structure might be like. And this sounds very intriguing, and I thank you, sir. You're welcome. I'm also going to,
[02:25:27] Unknown:
set up my website as a training website so that you can go through kind of basic little classes on your own and and learn about trust. So that's still a little bit in the works right now. I'm getting pretty close to having what I want, in a just step by step, very simple, bite sized little classes that might only last, you know, might might only last ten or twenty minutes at the most. And then you go on to your next course. And so we'll set it up that way.
[02:26:00] Unknown:
And it may take me a little bit to structure that. Alright. Thank you, Frank. Have a good day. Hey, Mark. Hey, Mark? Yes. Yes. Oh, sorry. It's me, Julie, again. Sorry. Thank you so much for everything. If I fill out a form and revoke my s corporation status, wouldn't that just put me back into a c corp status? Into a what corp? It wouldn't I just automatically default back to the c corp because I set up a c There's no such thing as a state corp. No. I said a c corp.
[02:26:30] Unknown:
No. No. It it it takes you back to a plain LLC.
[02:26:38] Unknown:
Oh, okay. So that's what I wanna do. Okay. So I'll do that. A totally different for profit corporation
[02:26:45] Unknown:
that has many shareholders usually, multiple shareholders that that own stock in the c corp.
[02:26:54] Unknown:
Yeah. But that's how I set that's how I set mine up. I set mine up as a c corp, Mark. And then what I did, I put myself as a c corp, and then I did f corp tax election status is what I did.
[02:27:06] Unknown:
Wow. Okay. C corp, and then I elected to be taxed as an s corp so that everything from the c corp goes on. You're gonna have to do both then. Because if if you revoke the s corp, then it falls back on your c corp, just like you said. And then the c corp would have to do normal c corp filings. So you're gonna have to revoke both.
[02:27:28] Unknown:
Right. And so I wanna do that and then and then just set it up as an LLC in my check.
[02:27:34] Unknown:
If you're a c corp, that means you registered your c corp with a, one of the the states, secretary of state for your state, you've registered a c corp.
[02:27:46] Unknown:
Yep. And I have stock in it.
[02:27:49] Unknown:
Okay. Well, you're gonna have to undo all of that if you're going to, not wanna do taxes through, through that.
[02:27:56] Unknown:
Right. And so I revoke both of those and then, I go to an LLC and then I don't have to file for the LLC. Am I correct? No. You have to no. You don't file taxes for the LLC,
[02:28:08] Unknown:
but you do have to file with your state attorney, excuse me, state, secretary of state, you do have to dissolve your c corp with the secretary of state and in some states, they have a option. You'll have to talk to the Secretary of State's office and let them know what you're doing. Say, I wanna dissolve my c corporation and convert it to an LLC.
[02:28:34] Unknown:
Yeah. I spoke to the lady,
[02:28:36] Unknown:
yesterday and she told me that's possible to do. Oh, there you go. So, yeah, revoke your s corp, dissolve your c corp, and convert to an LLC.
[02:28:45] Unknown:
And then I don't have to file any taxes for that entity. Am I correct? Right. For 2025,
[02:28:52] Unknown:
you should not have to file any now, like, a little research on your c corp. But I'm assuming it's gonna be hold on. You're gonna we, you and I, will do a little research to find out with the IRS how soon can a c corp, revoke or dissolve being a c corp and not have to pay taxes. I'm gonna assume, my guess is, it'll also be, like, March 15 as long as you get your documents in and get that process started. Then it'll be as if you operated through just whatever business entity and LLC straight to you starting January first of this
[02:29:34] Unknown:
year. Oh, can't I just use that for the entire 2024 of last year since I have my national status for,
[02:29:40] Unknown:
filed? No. No. No. If 2024 is already done, you can't go and do it.
[02:29:47] Unknown:
Yeah. I don't know. I don't have to file my tax returns for 2024 until As an individual
[02:29:53] Unknown:
as an individual, no. You don't have to file. But you got a c corp operating as an s corp for taxes, they will have to file for 2024.
[02:30:05] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:30:06] Unknown:
But moving forward moving forward, you can cancel your s corp and c corp, move forward as an LLC, and all the money will flow through the LLC directly to you as an individual, and there'll be no more tax forms that you gotta fill out.
[02:30:24] Unknown:
Okay. That won't be effect I have to do that by March fifteenth of this year?
[02:30:28] Unknown:
Definitely for the s corp. You and I will have to find out about the c corp and how to dissolve it and if that could be retroactive to January 1 or not.
[02:30:39] Unknown:
Okay. So, what was I gonna say? It's the the the it is a it is a c corp with, I think, I don't know how many shares of stock, and it's just treated as an s corp for tech purposes. So that's it. Alright. There's a way to go there's a way to go through that and involve your c corp. I just don't know
[02:30:57] Unknown:
how what deadline you might face to make it retroactive to 01/01/2025. But I would expect it'll be similar to the s corp. If you do it in this first quarter by March 15, then your your c corp should be retroactive to January first of this year.
[02:31:18] Unknown:
Okay. But you're saying for my c corp that I have treated for s corp statuses, I have to do the tax return for 2024
[02:31:25] Unknown:
then? That's correct.
[02:31:28] Unknown:
But I don't have to pay individual taxes for 2024 since I sent my affidavit before 12/31/2024.
[02:31:35] Unknown:
Am I correct on that? That's correct. Did you also send a revocation of election for yourself individually? Yes. Okay. Then yes, you will not, excuse me, you will not have to file a tax return unless you have issued, ten ninety nine's or w two's in your name. So in other words, if somebody else paid you, well, let me back up. Let me say it this way. If you've had taxes withheld for 2024, then yes, you wanna file a tax return as a non resident. Okay. Right? But after that, unless you have taxes withheld, you should not be, obligated to file.
[02:32:20] Unknown:
Perfect. If I may? Lady Linda Louise, if I may? Yeah. Late, lady Linda. Yes. Thank you. I it appears as though I just looked it up. It's March 15 for the c corp, but you can verify. You can verify that, Julie. Okay. I yield.
[02:32:36] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you, lady, Linda. Thank you, lady, Linda, Louise. Thank you. I really appreciate it. Thank you, Mark. I I yield. Thank you very much. Any other do you have any other question on that? Does that make sense? You know, I just I guess I just got confused. I'm in thinking and maybe I thought I'm thinking wrong here. I thought, that Roger said that if I got my, my national status, my evidence of, my my affidavit of citizenship evidence in before the end of this year, I can be treated as a national for the whole year of 2024. And I think I was erroneously assuming that if I got my, revocation of my CNS Corp in by March 15 that that could be retroactive also to 2024.
I guess that was hopeless thinking on my part. Correct? No. No. If you filed all that in 2024,
[02:33:27] Unknown:
that's your individual. You're getting these all mixed up. You got corporations, you got businesses, and you got individual. So in 2024, if you if you gave notice that you're a national and you revoked your, getting mentally tired here, if you filed your revocation of election as an individual, then you you don't necessarily have to do a tax return for 2024 unless you had taxes withheld and you wanna get a refund on those.
[02:34:03] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:34:05] Unknown:
Now you may you
[02:34:07] Unknown:
if you didn't get any response on your revocation election, you may have the IRS reach out to you and say you need to file, but all you gotta do is is send them a copy of your revocation election with your green card showing their receipt and that should be the end of it. Yeah. I have Basically
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okay.
[02:34:28] Unknown:
Thanks. I have that.
[02:34:30] Unknown:
Basically be two things. He would send send a cover letter saying, I did not have any income under 26 CFR one dot one dash one, sections eight seventy one b or eight seventy seven b. And I did not have any taxes withheld, therefore I do not have or therefore I believe I do not have a tax filing requirement. If I do need to file a tax return, please let me know. Now the burden shifts to them, and if they say you still need to file a tax return, we'll follow very simple I don't know if you looked at a ten forty n r, it's very simple, and show that you owe zero taxes. Not a big thing.
[02:35:18] Unknown:
Thank you. And then as far as the c corp and s corp or the c corp, goes, because I did not file a revocation of election by December thirty first of last year, then I still have to file for last year is what you're telling me. Yes. For 2024,
[02:35:33] Unknown:
you're gonna need to file for your s corp. But you're filing s corp or your c corp. I've never heard that before, but I guess it's possible. But you're going to have to dissolve both of those. Your s corp filing, that's your s corp election. So when we talk about revocation of election, well by you filing an, a S corp return, you elected to file taxes. So we gotta revoke that. And then you gotta dissolve your corporation, not only with your Secretary of State, but also you gotta notify the IRS. So you're gonna revoke any election. If it were me, I'd revoke my election under sub chapter s. I'd send in a separate revocation of election for my c corp. I would dissolve it with the secretary of state and convert it to an LLC.
And then from there on out, and your your tax identification number for your LLC should stay the same. And everything, all your bank accounts, everything, will continue to flow money. But instead of having to do tax returns for a c corp or an LLC, all monies flow directly to you. And as a national, you do not have a tax liability unless you're dealing with those entities I talked about previously.
[02:36:55] Unknown:
Thank you very, very much, Mark. Thank you. I did send you an email. So, before we had this discussion, but I do need some help with the c corp and f corp, dissolution. I've already been on the phone with the secretary of state, on Friday asking them how to convert it to an LLC, and they're gonna send me a form, and there's a specific word they use. So if you can help me get that done, I'd so greatly appreciate it. If if you hadn't done so already, scan that document,
[02:37:21] Unknown:
and email it to me. Okay. Did they email it to you? You just forward it on to me. So this is what that wording is.
[02:37:29] Unknown:
Thank you very much. Thank you. I yield. Thank you. You're very welcome. Mark, I have a quick question too.
[02:37:37] Unknown:
Just I agree.
[02:37:39] Unknown:
Communicate with you. Are you familiar with international trust as well? Because I think cryptocurrency, and I want to move right into the trust. But is that gonna be considered income because I'm trading and investing
[02:37:53] Unknown:
with my assets? I don't know. No. Not at all. Now I don't know about international trust. I've never really studied them. But, you know, generically, trust or trust around the world. So but in an international trust, I'm sure that's gonna be I don't know. I almost would bet you money that it's gonna be somehow a statutory trust that's registered with a country outside of The United States. I'd almost bet you money in it. So, but Yeah. I can make this very simple for you. Mhmm. As far as as far as taxation, any money that you as a national receives, that's not part of those three areas I've talked about.
It's not from, from some type of US government contract, you're not working with the railroad, or you're not getting interest or dividends from corporate bonds or stocks, outside of those three areas, you don't owe a tax. It's not taxable.
[02:38:56] Unknown:
Okay. Right. It's Okay.
[02:39:00] Unknown:
It's funny because I keep peep people keep asking me, well, what about this source of income? What about this source of income? If it doesn't fall under that 26 CFR one dot one dash one paragraph a, and it says, nationals are exempt except under section eight seventy one b and eight seventy seven b. If you look at eight seventy one b, that has to do with railroad pensions. If you look at eight seventy seven b, it talks about source of US income. Initially, it was referring to interest and dividends from corporate stocks and bonds that you individually own.
Not part of a mutual fund, not part of not part of some type of retirement fund, but you individually purchased corporate stocks or bonds that make payments to you throughout the year, you owe a tax on them as a national. Or if you're a national, you've worked for a railroad or had worked for a railroad, you've got certain pension money that you get off that pension plan, it's taxable. Outside of that, if you you are not taxed as a national. Now, if you live in another country, they may have tax laws that might apply to you. I don't know. But I'm talking about nationals who are considered, you know, still tied to The United States.
[02:40:30] Unknown:
Okay. Okay. Makes sense. Yeah. I've seen that you've seen things too as well about the international company I came across. And if you want, maybe email me back if you can set something up.
[02:40:44] Unknown:
Sure. Not a problem. Thank you, Preeti. Mhmm. No worries. Mark? Yes.
[02:40:50] Unknown:
Yes. Samuel, let's say we're talking about a non statutory trust here. Have you considered any mechanism that would remove property from the tax rules
[02:41:03] Unknown:
regarding this lease? No. No. I haven't.
[02:41:08] Unknown:
You think it has any legitimacy to even talking about it?
[02:41:14] Unknown:
Well, I mean, that's an interesting question. I guess I guess you could put it in there that if the the grantor or the settler that created the trust wants to pursue that underneath the name of the trust that could do that, or if the trustee wanted to pursue removing the the property from the property tax rolls, I guess you could do that. That's a that's a thought.
[02:41:39] Unknown:
Keep it in escrow because I'm sure that, you know,
[02:41:44] Unknown:
that there's a possibility. And, again, maybe there's a way to do it through Jesus Christ. Yeah. And and I appreciate you bringing that up too because at least you could put that lingo into the trust that would authorize the grantor or the trustee to pursue getting the property off the the property tax rolls if they wanted to.
[02:42:08] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:42:09] Unknown:
That's a good idea. That's a good idea. And it never crossed my mind because I just so far, I haven't met anybody that's got their property off the tax rolls yet. So,
[02:42:20] Unknown:
I'm sure this guy by the name of Randy Lee up there in, Washington State has done it in three different counties.
[02:42:28] Unknown:
Sure. I'd like to to hear his, hear him talk about that. Oh, let me take it back. Steve Emerson in Florida has done it because Florida has a law that if it's your residential property, even if it's on a farm, then it it can it has the right not to be taxed, the property. So Steve Emerson, I've got a couple of, video links for him that he's done some interviews. Pretty fascinating how he went through getting off their tax rolls. And when he talked to his, I think, the tax assessor or the the county treasurer, when they knew he knew the statutes for for Florida that says that that's what they gotta do, exempt you if you want to be, they just kinda hung their head and said, sorry, we'll take care of it. Apologize. We'll take care of it. And he said, he left and he said he watched, you know, to make sure that he his property wasn't owed a tax.
And sure enough, he had zero taxes and he kinda held his breath, and then he realized, oh, well then, you know, I don't owe a tax. And so he's been helping other people in Florida to to, to get off the property tax rolls in Florida. So that's the only one that I know of, that has gotten their property off of it. I would love to hear from Randy Lee. I've already heard Steve Emerson's story. So
[02:43:59] Unknown:
Hey. Mark?
[02:44:00] Unknown:
Yes.
[02:44:01] Unknown:
This is Julie again. This is what I heard about somebody who else does common law trust. He took his property off, the property tax roll by not recording it at the county record records office. So what he did was he transferred his house into common law trust number one, paid the recorded common law trust one at the county, land records and, paid tax paid property taxes for the that year, and then the second year, he took the property out of common law trust one and put it in common law trust two. He did not record common law trust two at the county land records. Instead, he sent the registrar a certified mail return receipt stating that common law trust number one no longer owned, the the the property anymore and that it had been transferred and he did not tell the he did not I don't think he mentioned that it was in common law trust two but maybe he did. But he he just by not recording the actual trust in the land records, he got out of paying property taxes.
[02:45:11] Unknown:
Okay. Well, do you know this person personally?
[02:45:15] Unknown:
Yeah.
[02:45:16] Unknown:
Have you ever looked up his property then?
[02:45:19] Unknown:
No. Because, he he he he won't divulge. He he he did it for somebody else. He himself doesn't own property, but he did it for somebody else. So it's a private client. But he basically was trying yeah.
[02:45:32] Unknown:
We've we've heard stories like that, and we've heard people that come back that the tax attaches to the real estate, not you as the individual. So they're they're contacting the person who they believe is responsible for paying the tax on the property. And generally, if if if it's not paid, the attachments and liens go against the real estate, not against the individual. So you could change that all you want, move it from one one entity to another entity to another individual to a corporation to a trust, doesn't matter. No. You're so fast. It's the real estate that gets attached with the tax.
[02:46:13] Unknown:
So I find that very I find that very hard to believe
[02:46:17] Unknown:
that that was successful.
[02:46:18] Unknown:
Yeah. I don't know. He he didn't say if it was or not. And, you know, this person is, this person is, a shady type of person. So, I would never, you know, I I would never have him do anything for me at all, but it was just something that he had mentioned on a call that he has on, free calls in the evenings and stuff like that. He does these calls to become like, a sovereign like Roger does, but, like, he literally turns your returns your, Social Security number back into the Social Security Administration and all these weird things. So, you know, I met him before I knew about Roger, and I didn't do anything with him just because of the way he was doing things. It just didn't sound right to me, but that was one of the things that he mentioned. So I didn't know if that was something that you thought was doable or not. I I don't think so. I think I had a few people that kind of initially worked, but they didn't know what to do. Doable which I usually works.
[02:47:09] Unknown:
Anyway, my voice is about shot. I've been talking for almost three hours. Thank you. Oh, you're welcome, Julie. And, I think I'm gonna turn it back to you guys, and and, hope hope, today was good information that you can use. Again, if you if you want the information about our I hate it. Association, you can email me at strawman@markallcaps.com, and I'll I'll forward you more information. So, anyway, I hope everybody has a great day, and You guys are looking good on a Saturday.
[02:47:44] Unknown:
Pardon me? I like to mention what I know about Steve Emerson. I'm in Florida. He tried to help me, and we did not succeed. And I asked him, what his address was so I could look him up, and he wouldn't provide it. So I'm not sure that he really did that.
[02:48:05] Unknown:
Do you know what city what do you know what city he lives in?
[02:48:10] Unknown:
He's in, like, the Orlando
[02:48:13] Unknown:
area. He won't give his act. No problem. No problem. There's I'm a paralegal. There's ways around a bunch of stuff.
[02:48:20] Unknown:
So Could you mention If it's his real name,
[02:48:23] Unknown:
if it's his real name, I can promise you I can find this property or find him.
[02:48:29] Unknown:
Hey, Mark?
[02:48:32] Unknown:
Yes, Larry.
[02:48:33] Unknown:
Hey. I've mentioned this to Roger before. You gotta really weigh out your situation because in my situation, I pay about $1,400 in property taxes, but that includes free garbage pickup, free recycling pickup, free yard trash pickup, your ambulance, police, and fire services. Yep. And, you know, if I had to pay all that out of pocket, it'd be over a thousand dollars a year.
[02:49:04] Unknown:
Yeah. And the only thing I have a gripe about on all that, Larry, I'm kinda in agreement with you, is the schools. 60 of our property taxes in Oklahoma go to education. And if you don't have children or your children are, you know, out of high school or out of school, then why are you continuing to have to pay that? So, you know, it's it's basically communism. That's a communist payment for, education system that's educating kids to be against their parents. And hopefully, we're gonna turn that tide and and make it more about learning and and proper education instead of social engineering. So, anyway but I that point is well taken. I I thought that the other day, I was driving down the highway, and We got all now we got our problems with roads and such. You know, Oklahoma's pretty bad about road maintenance, but that's changing a little bit. But all the all the the bar ditches and the sides of this highway were all, you know, mowed and clean. And and I was like, you know, my money, my my money that I pay for gasoline or diesel, those taxes help go to pay for the main maintenance of the road. So there's certain infrastructures and services that we do receive that, you know, we pay taxes on.
And property tax, like you said, pretty good. My only exception is the education. There might be a few other I'm not aware of, but that education portion that takes up over half of our property taxes,
[02:50:42] Unknown:
egregious to me. So, anyway, with that, I wanna bid you guys a deal. Yeah. Once the camel's nose is under the tent, then what? You know, I mean, here in the nineteen fifties, they started, you know, permitting for building, and it was like $50. Well, now you can figure out about a hundred thousand.
[02:51:05] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. That's true. Alright. I'll be here by What's the rest? Mark?
[02:51:12] Unknown:
Mark? Yes. This is Jesse. I'm gonna put in the chat room. He gives evidence when the where a trillion dollars have been stolen from education property taxes. And he's he puts it on Google Drive and everything. So I'm gonna put it there. I'm gonna put the YouTube channel. I forget his name. But, I'm gonna put it on the in the chat room. But,
[02:51:33] Unknown:
are you Hey, Jesse. And I think you probably got that. They've been stealing everything over a trillion dollars. I agree. Jesse, do you know about chat and go? We have a a chat and go place that you can post as well. Like like, once I leave, close FCC, I can't get your notes again. But if you go to let's see. Hang on. Are you hang on a second. I'll just text it or I'll I'll put it in chat. You mean, Chatango? Yes. Yes. It's number two Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm radio ranch at Chatango, or some people say Chat and Go Com.
And I just put it I sent it to you directly. Let me put it in general. Yeah. I'm I'm familiar with it. I'll probably want to. So if if you'll post it out there as well, I can go pick it up later as well. Okay.
[02:52:24] Unknown:
Hey, Mark.
[02:52:25] Unknown:
Hang on just a moment. Rio Ranch, what we call it? Chat board, I guess. Alright. Yeah. Larry?
[02:52:40] Unknown:
Yeah. There was a lady that was talking about international trust. I've never heard of such a thing. Maybe she was referring to foreign trusts. You know, I I think there's some students that have foreign trust and they get an assigned EOBN number. Yeah. Yeah.
[02:52:57] Unknown:
Aren't they called foreign granter trusts?
[02:53:01] Unknown:
I don't know what the title is, but I know they use it for, like, the w a b e n, and they create a foreign trust. And it it helps them with some or they use it, I should say. They use it for filing for certain things with The United States.
[02:53:19] Unknown:
Private Or does your does your private trust use an EIN number?
[02:53:25] Unknown:
If only if it needs to. I would rec I would recommend getting one so that you can open up a bank account, non interest bearing bank account, and fund your trust.
[02:53:40] Unknown:
The the international trust to protect you outside of US because it's outside jurisdiction, and if they were to try to reveal your assets and stuff, if you're out of the country, then it makes it more difficult so you can move it around your countries.
[02:53:54] Unknown:
I sent Mark Well, it has to be a literature. Industry.
[02:53:57] Unknown:
They have conferences, and they give me their information and literature. And I was reading it, and that's pretty much what they're doing. Right. So I'm
[02:54:06] Unknown:
Right. So there may be some some people might have a need for using that, you know, but what I'm what I'm teaching right now is just people within the 50 states that that have a need for estate planning and to protect their property and to have it properly dispersed to the beneficiaries according to their wishes, which will be put inside of the written document, the trust, which is actually called the constitution of the trust. So that's all I'm talking about. Outside of that, I don't know. My focus has always been on estate planning for Americans. If if you're needing a foreign trust or whatever outside of that, I would find a professional that deals in that area.
[02:54:53] Unknown:
Hey, Mark. You're welcome.
[02:54:56] Unknown:
Hey, Mark? Yeah. Who's talking? I can barely hear you. The yeah. I'm sorry. Can you hear me now?
[02:55:03] Unknown:
You're pretty faint. Go ahead.
[02:55:05] Unknown:
Okay. It might be my headset. Is that also with an American National as well, or is it National can you do a trust?
[02:55:16] Unknown:
Yeah. National could do a trust. That's not a problem. This is a common law trust. Anybody can do a common law trust whether whether a US citizen or a national. Not a problem. Okay. Okay. Great.
[02:55:28] Unknown:
And, I my name is Paul, and, I may have just reached out to you recently via email.
[02:55:36] Unknown:
I'm not sure if you your name. I'm I'm I'm trying to catch up on some of my emails.
[02:55:42] Unknown:
Okay. No problem. I think I sent it to straw man. Is that Oh, yeah. Would that be your email? Yeah. I I remember, Paul. Yeah. I remember. Yes. Okay. Yeah. I remember you now. If you ever get a chance, I would like to discuss that with you in a little further detail, maybe over the phone or something.
[02:55:59] Unknown:
K.
[02:56:00] Unknown:
Okeydoke. Alright. Thanks, Mark. I appreciate it. I learned a lot today.
[02:56:04] Unknown:
You're very welcome, Paul. Okay, everyone. I'm done. It's, almost three hours, and, I hope everybody enjoys their weekend. If need anything, you got my email address, strawmanmarkallcaps dot com. It's strawmanmarkallcaps dot com. It doesn't have to be capitalized, but that's, that's the email address.
[02:56:26] Unknown:
Bless you, Mark.
[02:56:28] Unknown:
Alright. Thank you, Samuel. Thank you, everyone. Everybody have a great weekend. We'll talk to you next time. Thank you very much. You're very welcome. My pleasure. Everybody have a great weekend. We'll talk to you next time. Bye bye.
[02:56:41] Unknown:
Yes. Okay. I got a question for the group. Does anybody know what color tie does Donald Trump always wear and why?
[02:56:53] Unknown:
Nobody?
[02:56:55] Unknown:
Hi, Dave. How you doing, Robbie? You're working with Yahoo.
[02:56:59] Unknown:
Hi, Dave. It's Robbie. Red? Hi, Robbie. Yeah. Red. Red. But I did see him with a gold tie recently.
[02:57:08] Unknown:
Well, hang on. So red tie, Donald Trump always wears a red tie, and and does anyone know why?
[02:57:18] Unknown:
Tell us why, Dave.
[02:57:20] Unknown:
Because it represents power. Has anybody seen the videos? Now I personally haven't seen them, but I take it on good authority. The the people that told me they saw it, I believe them. When Donald Trump was meeting with Satan Yahoo, uncle Ben, do you know what color tie he wore in that meeting? It's on video.
[02:57:48] Unknown:
It was gold. Blue. Gold. Oh, yeah. Light blue. I saw it. Yeah. Light blue. A blue tie.
[02:57:56] Unknown:
Star glitter blue. Tie nothing Yahoo was wearing.
[02:58:01] Unknown:
Red?
[02:58:02] Unknown:
Yes. Red. Now I understand Yahoo was giggling and laughing and smiling through the whole video, the whole meeting. And you guys know about symbolism and stuff, hand signals and, you know, with the the Kabbalas and all that. There were some hand signaling going on between the two of them. Check it out. Look at the videos, and and then let let me know or the group let let us know what you thought of that. Where do you get the videos?
[02:58:37] Unknown:
Where do you get the videos? Sorry for interrupting.
[02:58:40] Unknown:
I I I'm not sure if you you can Google meeting between Trump and Netanyahu where Trump says he's gonna America's gonna take over Gaza and build it into the Middle Eastern, Riviera, and and they're gonna own it and all that. And they're moving out 1,800,000, Palestinians to some beautiful homes outside of their own homeland.
[02:59:06] Unknown:
Thank you. That video. Yeah. But nobody's nobody's gonna take them, Dave. Why don't you save us the trouble and tell us what you think? Is it Masonic? Hand signals
[02:59:16] Unknown:
the hand signals Donald Trump was was throwing upside down pyramid hand signals, which represents submissive or vaginas, and Netanyahu was was throwing the the the up the right side up pyramid which represents power or a penis. And you can look those up. I'm not making it up. I didn't make it up. It is out there. So check it out and, you know, see for yourself. I appreciate the time. I yield.
[02:59:58] Unknown:
I got it. I got a request if if Tom d's on. Is Tom d on?
[03:00:04] Unknown:
Okay. Is Lady Linda on?
[03:00:06] Unknown:
Yes. I'm here.
[03:00:08] Unknown:
Yes. Hi, Lady Linda. George, Idaho. I remember you mentioned something about a 98, type of trust that you were mentioning. Do you, I didn't I didn't mention it, but,
[03:00:21] Unknown:
that would be the 98 number that I would use as my, EIN as pretty. She calls it an international trust. I call it a foreign trust, but that would be the EIN number that I would use.
[03:00:34] Unknown:
Did you use a particular website to help you navigate some of the I don't know if you heard of Divine, he said now, but, there's a website out there that gets into a lot of different filings. And I don't know if you had a particular teacher. I don't think Roger teaches on that. Hey, Yield. Yeah. Josh, I did this, in, I think, 2023
[03:00:54] Unknown:
or 2022. And, I had a mentor in my office by my side. I'm not prepared to teach anybody. My spirit of confidence, when I call the IRS, there's a special number to call. And, the way I executed myself, I got it bada boom bada bang. But I it's from what I hear from testimonies, it's not an easy thing. Maybe Preeti has more education knowledge that she would like to share, but I I don't have that knowledge secured enough the teacher. Oh, Julie. Yes. I yield to Julie.
[03:01:32] Unknown:
Yeah. So, are are you looking to create your own trust right now?
[03:01:38] Unknown:
I already have a trust, but I was looking at, I have to get the website.
[03:01:46] Unknown:
How to get the okay. So are you looking you said you're looking to get the web website. If if anybody's looking to create a trust and you need one, like, right now and you need one ASAP, you can get one for free on rocketlawyer.com. And if you're looking to get educated about trust, you can go on rocketlawyer.com and they educate you there. But the simplest way to get an irrevocable trust on your pocket lawyer is to sign up for a free seven day trial and then, put your name in as the grantor, put your name in as the trustee, and then figure out your kid or somebody to put into a beneficiary and, answer pretty much no to everything on there because the more you answer yes, it complicates matters and then you just go to the IRS website and you get an EIN number and that is going to be a statutory trust. I'm just saying that right now just for protection purposes, if you needed one right now.
[03:02:49] Unknown:
And Did you have to use a Social Security number?
[03:02:52] Unknown:
You would get an EIN number from the IRS for that particular statutory trust. Did you have to use a Social Security number to do to do it? So that when you did your No. Because the trust the trust is its own entity. So you would be the trust is not you. It's a separate entity. So you'd have a EIN number from the actual IRS website, which would make it statutory. But if you did irrevocable, like Mark is saying, instead of a revocable trust, that has more protections to it in terms of people not being able to pierce it. So for example, if you just wanted to take your go to a bank and get your bank account out of your name into a trust so that it's not in your name anymore, that would be an example of something that you could do, you know, now while we're waiting for Mark to set up the private membership association and stuff like that because, you know, you can make changes to an irrevocable trust and if you are the actual trustee of the irrevocable trust, you can take monies out of it and stuff like that.
But if you can wait, I would wait until Marcus. But if you guys wanna go educate yourself about trust terms and common law trust, there's a website called sagaciousassetprotection.com and it's out of Australia. I would not recommend using her at all, but the education on her website is incredible and they are thirty minute videos followed by an hour of Q and A and you can learn a lot by the questions that are asked and the answers that she gives, at least for starters, so you have a little bit of a heads up before Mark starts his group. And it's spelled s a g a c I sagacious asset protection, and then it's .com.
And there's just so many incredible videos on there. I mean, I think Mark would be in alignment with a lot of them. Maybe not all of them but pretty much most of them. Again, she's an entity. She's out of Australia anyway. So, I mean, I think everybody would agree that it's probably better to do, you know, this stuff with Mark since he has a much better in-depth knowledge. But the videos are extremely helpful just from an education standpoint just to get, like, the basic stuff.
[03:05:13] Unknown:
May I, Lady Linda Louise, George, to answer your question, I did not use an SS number. That is the value of the foreign EIN number. You do not surrender your SS number.
[03:05:29] Unknown:
Great. Yeah. That's fine. Thank you. Thank you, Luis. That's wethepeopleshareholders.com was the thing I was looking at, and I that they've said, yeah, don't. And so better to call the IRS and to submit forms or whatnot. So Yeah. I appreciate it. Thank you. How are you?
[03:05:49] Unknown:
Comments. Trust in this country really didn't exist before 1860. And when you were born, you were born into a trust. And as a national, you're removing yourself from that trust. Now everybody's talking about wanting to get one. You have to think about that. Thank you, Samuel. Quick comment for David and everybody else. The doge of the Venetian times wore a red hat. It looked kinda like a nipple on the top and it was red. And, that hat is also on the marine corps emblem and I think five or six states, the Doge hat. It's not a Doge hat. It was appropriated by the Doge.
I forget the name of the hat, but, just wanted to let you know the the red hat of the Doge is is on the Marine Corps and other states' emblems, a yield.
[03:06:59] Unknown:
Good information today.
[03:07:01] Unknown:
This is Paul. And I just wanted to bring up that Brandon Joe Williams website has a lot of the information about, how to set up the EIN numbers, how to do the prep, start these out, templates that he's done on those for the thread around. Just something to look at. And Brett might correct me,
[03:07:27] Unknown:
so I wanna say one of the marine emblems, not the. In 1850 was the first time that this congress passed law that allowed limited liability just before the civil war. And then after the civil war, you end up with the first trust being created. Prior to that, we were able to live fine without to you.
[03:07:53] Unknown:
I hope you're well.
[03:08:02] Unknown:
Would you say that the US constitution was a trust?
[03:08:06] Unknown:
Sure. You can probably say that. It's a corporation. But a lot of things in the constitution were changed, prior to the Civil War and of course overturned after the civil war and during it. As far as I'm concerned, we're in a state of martial rule. We don't I mean, look what our President is doing. He's a pretty good example of what the kind of power Lincoln took and started to wield.
[03:08:43] Unknown:
I would concur and add that book of the hundreds again. Thank you for that. That really gives the the historic details of what was happening during that time. The the original plantations and all were set up probably with some kind of a trust document with the King and the plantation owners and all when the BH Discovery or the takeover of whoever was here was going on. So it's like you say, how do you pull off that superstructure of the fourteenth Amendment idea of trust and still operate with
[03:09:25] Unknown:
Well, trust were predominant in England and they were trying to inject that over here. One of the guys who was completely against him was Jefferson. And he spoke a lot about it and he hated the commerce laws that England was using to subjugate the colonies. And of course, that's the same commerce law we have today. That was one of the things that got overturned when we lost the protections of Swift versus Tyson and ended up with Erie Railroad. We lost the common law at the federal level. And these are parts of the thing that Bruce talks about as being, you know, those three sides of the fence to block us in.
Well, Roger has his three. Bros would say Swift versus Tyson, the fourteenth amendment, and the confiscation of gold. Concur.
[03:10:25] Unknown:
What was Swift versus Tyson about?
[03:10:28] Unknown:
About protecting the individual and commerce.
[03:10:32] Unknown:
You know what year it was?
[03:10:34] Unknown:
Eighteen forty two, I think. Yeah. Guessing that comes to mind.
[03:10:42] Unknown:
Versus
[03:10:44] Unknown:
you said It was law for ninety years. It was law for ninety years. And when Erie Railroad came in, I think that was again another setup supreme court trial because the guy they brought in was a citizen, so he didn't have the protection to Swift versus Tyson.
[03:11:02] Unknown:
Wow. This flimflam is is shell game or whatever you wanna can't call it. It's complicated. It's almost like you reverse engineering to try to figure it out, I guess.
[03:11:18] Unknown:
Yeah. When you read Broad's piece on the Republic, the house that nobody lives in, he really he really looks at private law versus and public policy versus public policy and private law. And that's hard to get your head around. And that's really what happened is basically all of this new law is somebody else's churchy opinion about how you're supposed to live your life. And if they say they got 51% of the people that say it's law, it's law. Well, before all this equity law, we we didn't have that. The individual was it, You know? Yeah.
And the 10 amendments were it. And I think we gotta be careful that when we enter into trust, we use EIN numbers. We use, commercial code, you know, for protection, etcetera. I think we are walking on the line of serving two masters, and that's for both, you know.
[03:12:30] Unknown:
If I may.
[03:12:32] Unknown:
Please.
[03:12:35] Unknown:
So probably in biblical time, they lived a hundred and twenty or two hundred or nine hundred years. And then all of a sudden, man got involved and people were dying off after about sixty years. And the next family member died on the same birthday or the same death day, sixty years later, and people just started getting used to that. So that's why I think when you said it next ninety years, when they make these contracts only go ninety years, the people have already been judged for thirty, so nobody's gonna claim it. I yield.
[03:13:16] Unknown:
Yeah. Didn't they, grossed or you're born civilly dead? Let me read this. It may come to a surprise to realize that your will was probate the day you were born. Yes. It's true. The very day you were born by accident into The United States is the day you died to the law of the republic. In other words, by operation of law, you were born into the corporate municipal legislative democracy of Washington, DC, which is a trust.
[03:13:47] Unknown:
What what, what that's Protes? What book?
[03:13:52] Unknown:
USA, the Republic, the house that no one lives in.
[03:13:57] Unknown:
Do you remember what page it was?
[03:14:00] Unknown:
Yeah. I got it open. It's, 45 Under your will was probated. In other words, you you were you never had any will. It was done for you. And as nationals, we're pulling ourselves out of that. Yet my my warning here, and it's my it is my opinion, is that you're entering back. You're actually, pulling down your national status when you're using any of their benefits, and I think trusts are one of them. Now if Mark is talking about something non statutory that actually sits outside of that, okay. Maybe. But I just wanna put the warning there for people just for that reason.
[03:14:54] Unknown:
May I?
[03:14:56] Unknown:
Yeah. Okay.
[03:14:57] Unknown:
This is Julie here. So this is one thing that that other guy does. He does do common law trusts and he has said a million times that after you put together a common law trust, the minute you go to the IRS website and you, and you fill out fill out whatever you have to fill out to get, an EIN number for your trust, you just immediately took that trust from a common law trust into a statutory trust because you basically in essence, are contracting with the IRS. And so I totally understand a hundred percent where you're coming from there. What and and that's why this guy, he's not even a lawyer, but he just does common law trust, but he charges way too much money for them, but Mark probably has so the reason why Mark does that is because if you need a bank account, then you can't open up a bank account at a bank without some sort of Social Security number or a trust ID number. Now this individual, what he does is he forms a common law trust, he does not file anything, He gets no EIN number from the IRS website at all. And what he does in order to get open a bank account, he gets an LLC from South Dakota. This is what Roger was talking about today.
There's three states, South Dakota, Wyoming, and I think it's Nevada. They offer protection where you can actually get an LLC and it doesn't it's not associated with your Social Security Number in any way, shape, or form. It's a different EI number that does not associate with your name and as long as you hire a registered agent for that particular LLC that you form, then nobody knows that you're the owner of that LLC. And so then what this guy does is he does a management agreement between the common law trust that doesn't have any number associated with it and then the LLC, there's a management agreement where the LLC, takes in the funds on behalf of the trust.
And it's some sort of management ownership, some sort of agreement there where and I can't remember what the paperwork looks like, but otherwise, I agree with you with respect to as soon as you get your you start using your Social Security number or contracting with the IRS, your your as Mercka said, we're not really living in the private anymore. We're back in the public in some way, shape, or form. I yield.
[03:17:45] Unknown:
When I'm not sure I'm speaking even right here because I'm in Mark's case, if he's doing this non statutory trust, is he also involving an EIN number in that?
[03:18:03] Unknown:
I I think that he I think if he stated that if you need a bank account, for that particular trust, then he gets he he does get a number. But and, you know, I I and I think the lady who is does these trusts with the cat sagacious asset protection over in Australia. She also does go get a number as well if my memory serves me correctly. But I I mean, that's the only way you can get a bank account, but I think there's still a way for you to operate in the private because as Mark stated on the phone, you're not giving a copy of that private document to anybody. Nobody gets to see that document and as Mark stated, if they ask for it, then you're at the wrong bank. They may ask for what's called a certificate of trust authenticity. I can't remember the actual name for it that certifies that the trust is in existence and it has a has a EIN number associated with it to open up a bank account, but what the way Mark was explaining it, you don't ever give a copy of that private document and it doesn't get photocopied by the bank, or, you know, if you're at Fidelity or Charles Schwab or one of those brokerages. Otherwise, you're at the wrong place.
[03:19:21] Unknown:
By yield. Yes,
[03:19:23] Unknown:
that would bother me. But anyway, if you're a national and you want to open a bank account and you want to stay out of commerce, what Brost says is, you have to have a non interest bearing account that keeps you out of the fourteenth amendment and you have to any transactions over state lines, you should pay with the postal money order. I wish he got into more detail about the whys and wheres about that, but I guess you can sort of extrapolate what he's why he's saying that, but, because it's going into interstate commerce, right, once you go over state lines.
[03:20:11] Unknown:
Yeah. These these people that do these common law trusts and everything, the only thing they accept are money order, the United States post office, and, and that's it. No other or you can mail, silver or gold coins to pay for stuff. They don't accept any form of credit card or any sort of other source of payment.
[03:20:32] Unknown:
Do they still take a Social Security number though to open up the account? That's the non interest bearing?
[03:20:40] Unknown:
They still require a Social Security number for that. Yeah.
[03:20:45] Unknown:
K.
[03:20:46] Unknown:
Hey, Julie? Is that Julie? Yeah.
[03:20:51] Unknown:
I heard you brought in into one of the shows, no till. And, do you, do you know what, the what benefits are for using that possibility benefits?
[03:21:14] Unknown:
Benefits for what again? I'm sorry, could you repeat yourself please?
[03:21:20] Unknown:
What possible benefits with the no no till, n u l?
[03:21:26] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. The no till the no t l, n u l t I e l records. So if you're in court and, the judge asks you how you plea, and he's going to say, How do you plea guilty or not guilty? And instead of saying that, you say, Judge, for the record, I plead null TL record. And what that means in legal terms is no such record exists. There is no such record. And the judge is going to get mad and say, I'm asking you how you plead. That's not a plea. If you plead guilty or not guilty and you say, again, for the record, record, Judge, my plea is no TL record. I want I want that stated on the record. He will get up and get off of his bench. He'll be very upset and and he'll enter a plea for you. What it will do is you say, I'm going to enter a not guilty plea. And then what you say is, Judge, are you practicing, law on the bench or are you rendering a judicial decision? He will get very angry and the last person that did this, the case got dismissed because he doesn't want that on the record, and he doesn't want people knowing that. You can move wherever.
[03:22:39] Unknown:
Wherever you need.
[03:22:41] Unknown:
I think there's background.
[03:22:46] Unknown:
That might be me. Sorry.
[03:22:49] Unknown:
Does that make any sense?
[03:22:53] Unknown:
Yes.
[03:22:56] Unknown:
It's spelled n as in Nancy, u as in umbrella, l as in Lucy, space, t as in Tom, I as in idiot, e as in elephant, and l, null, t I t l, and then record just like a record a record player.
[03:23:16] Unknown:
Okay. I think I found something on YouTube about it. I haven't had a chance to watch it yet. I had some friends just bring over some chicken noodle soup, and I already finished almost almost two courts. And now I'm sweating my I'm sweating my, you know, wet off.
[03:23:38] Unknown:
And I figured I might have a maybe March has got over.
[03:23:44] Unknown:
And I'm supposed to go to court on Tuesday. So yeah.
[03:23:51] Unknown:
I would I don't know. I would try it. You don't have anything to lose. If you have to go and he's gonna ask you for a plea, the Nolteil rec for the record, I'd like this reflected in the record. My plea is Nolteil record.
[03:24:05] Unknown:
Spell that again.
[03:24:08] Unknown:
N as in Nancy, u as in umbrella, L as in Lucy. I'm gonna look it up here right now. Let me see here. Null t l record. I'm gonna go on the Internet right now and look this up. And you know right here. T I l. Yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead.
[03:24:29] Unknown:
Yeah. It's a plea which is most amazing.
[03:24:36] Unknown:
Yeah. It basically is a plea that So do they It it denies the existence of the claim because you're not facing your accuser in court. We're supposed to we're supposed to face our accuser in court and you're supposed to have harm to that person and you didn't harm anybody in traffic court. That goes back to all this driving versus traveling stuff where when you're driving and you speed and you haven't hurt anybody, you're not if you're not conducting commerce, you're traveling and there should be no ticket. So no TL record just means that there's no such record that exists and it really it denies the existence of any claims and it will piss the judge off and then you definitely want to add for the record, I have a question before he leaves. Are you practicing law from the bench or are you rendering a judicial decision, and you can go to American jurisprudence online and look that up. But judges don't like that. The last one my friend did got dismissed because of that plea.
[03:25:42] Unknown:
Yes. Thank you again for bringing that forward. Yeah. Thank you. I just wanted everybody to know that it is a plea. We're led to believe that there's only three pleas, guilty, not guilty, or, no contest. This one is different. And I think it does, you know, and it goes to the root of jurisdiction,
[03:26:02] Unknown:
I guess. And if and if you and and Sherry's right. If you go to LSD, l as in Lucy, s as in Sam, d as in dog, LSD Law, It specifically states on here that is a legal term that means no such record and it is a plea. It's a plea that denies the existence of the record on which the plaintiff bases their claim. And so, they don't like that. It's basically a plea which puts an issue the existence of record upon which an opposing party relies. And so it really it is it's a plea and they're gonna be upset because most people don't know to enter that. But you can go on, Google.
I can't remember where what it is and see press the button on how you're supposed to pronounce that because I'm sure I'm pronouncing that wrong. Just like I pronounced Ceptuit, Ceptuit, trust wrong, that French term. I'm sure I'm pronouncing this wrong so that you sound like you really know what you're talking about when you go to court. I yield.
[03:27:10] Unknown:
I I would suggest if you're a Christian that you get a copy of Randy Lee's encounter with the court.
[03:27:17] Unknown:
How do you get that?
[03:27:19] Unknown:
I think it's on the matrix stocks or somebody maybe can post it. I can't do that for you, but it's short and sweet. And basically, I think he has a statement in here where he's destroying their paperwork. I can read that for you real quick, which would be the same thing as saying, you know, you really don't have anything here. He says this is what he says. I have responded to this petition because it was found on my on the door of my place where I take up housekeeping and attempts to create a power a colorable persona under a colorable law by the name of the upper case name. He gets he he points that out, which is on the paperwork.
The artifice being used here to deceive the honorable court must be abated as a public nuisance. And he gets into other points, which are this is all on, like, a half a page. And in the bottom here, the, the the court asking, alright. You know? I mean, what do you say to this prosecutor? And the prosecutor says, well, your honor, mister Jones, you're seems to think that if you spell your name in upper and lower case, it relieves them of compliance. And the court says, thank you, mister Roth. That's the prosecutor. Please call the next case.
[03:28:55] Unknown:
That's beautiful. They're they're creating the public nuisance. Love it.
[03:29:00] Unknown:
And the most important part of it, it's not this page where the conversation goes on. There's two pages to this or I think three. The most important page after reading what happened in court is Randy Lee's explanation about what he was doing. And he didn't get into just a regular special visitation either. He he brought the Lord into it because this is from the book of the hundreds guy, you know, this is really, you know, Christian law. He says, for the record, Randy Lee and Jesus the Christ advocate and wonderful counselor are using the right of visitation to exercise ministerial powers to be heard on this matter.
[03:29:50] Unknown:
The network of the hundred, Julie, talks to the foundation of how the law was Christian before Lincoln overturned it. Are you?
[03:29:57] Unknown:
So I thought it would be a good idea to look up, please. I found one site that says there's five. Guilty, not guilty, no contest, Alford plea, and a standby plea. Doesn't mention the null tier, which I say that's where our word nullity comes from. So, anyway, I thought it was interesting that, they cite five types of pleas, but not null tier. I yield.
[03:30:30] Unknown:
Sherry, go over those other two, please. Standard and something else.
[03:30:35] Unknown:
No. Stand by and an Alford plea. An Alford plea when you Read the definitions, please. Okay. An Alford plea is when you maintain your innocence, but recognizing that the prosecution has enough, evidence in which to convict you. Let me go to standby because it's a little excuse me. A little different. Standby plea is another less common type of plea that involves a defendant entering a guilty or no contest plea while maintaining the right to appeal specific legal issues. So we would never wanna use that. I yield.
[03:31:17] Unknown:
Can I apologize? Can you give me the spelling on that, typoplia, the notier notier plea?
[03:31:26] Unknown:
N u l, and it's two words. Second word is tier, t I e r. No. It's l. It's l it's l chair. L. I don't know why I keep putting an r on the end. I yield. I apologize and yield.
[03:31:44] Unknown:
Basically, it says right here, the meaning of null TL record is a plea alleging the record on which the action is founded does not exist. And this goes all the way back to, that website I told you guys about before called, awarriorcalls.com, where Christopher James out of Canada has basically said that he tries to use these, things he puts pen to the paper before he goes into a court and tries to get it dismissed because you basically have a right to face your accuser and the courts don't like this. And so you claim the wrong of trespass and you tell the court that you're there to accept all verified claims of trespass, which include fraud, theft, wrong harm, physical breach of contract, and that's the one word that trespass identifies everything.
And so you're basically telling them unless the courts can claim that you are a property or that you have a contract with them on the private side as a man or a woman that you are their property or that you have a contract with the service corporation that they are acting through that you are property, then there is no court. And so that brings in the no the plea of the no TL record that you plead to the judge because it you have to be I can't talk today for some reason but when any man or woman answers no to those three questions above, then even if they put the paper in front of you, you ask them and tell them who wrote this document, where is the verified claim that I trespassed causing wrong or harm? And so they don't like that.
Like I said, go to awarriorcalls.com. There's a lot of, documents up there that you can use and you can customize for your own situation and send it in the mail before your court case to try to basically resolve this so that it gets dropped before you even go. And you just basically they're stuck in there like writing like I'm trying to settle this on the private side. Is there a verified claim, that I require, produced as evidence to establish a court first and foremost or if there's no contract that a man or woman claimed that a debt be due true or past due, then that only leaves somebody involved in this belief that I'm property and then hit them with the three questions above. Unless that they can claim that your property or you have a contract with them on the private side or on the service corporation side and there is no court.
I hope I didn't confuse people, but, Christopher James explains it way way, better than I do on his website. His website is incredible.
[03:34:39] Unknown:
What's that website?
[03:34:42] Unknown:
It's a warrior, w a r r I 0 r, calls, c a l l, s as in sunny, Com.
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Now the court is not the building or the judge. You're the prosecutor. It's the paperwork. And, basically, if you're opposing the paperwork, and I would start with the name. The name is not you. It's not a Christian name. You're not there. There's no Christian on the docket. You can tell the judge that.
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Yep.
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Because a lot of people believe that as soon as you start an argument with them, they take jurisdiction. So, basically, you can't refute your name directly, but what you can do is say that, there's no Christian on the docket. I'm a Christian. Of course, that'll be testing your faith a little bit, won't it? This is Carlo in Utah. I think my next
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next time I get forced into court, I'm only gonna write
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very short,
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notices to the court, in a way that makes it difficult for them to refute. But also, my last experience in the court, they said I've already read what you've you've written. They never responded, but they were very it was very anti to me. I mean, it was I should've refused them. I got a little flustered, my fault. And you know when I went into court, before the traffic stop I didn't have my passport guard yet it was still in the mail. And so that was my contract. And for me it's just about studying to be stronger out of the court and in the court and mine ended up mine was just cheap one, you know, a small ticket. It was hundred dollars is court by court.
The court fined me. I just wasn't gonna apply to much more for family purposes.
[03:37:08] Unknown:
If I may?
[03:37:09] Unknown:
No permission needed.
[03:37:11] Unknown:
So I have a friend that drove a trailer and, you know, had a, CDL license for forty years. And they're saying that he can't drive. They won't, update his license until he does some, you know, evaluation. So he's just kind of sitting and waiting, you know, for permission. And so I said, why don't you get a passport international traveler's card? And he objects to that. So what would be a way to communicate the benefit or the reason why we want to have a traveler's card at over 60 years old, I yield?
[03:37:58] Unknown:
Well, the traveler's card won't they don't accept it in The United States. So it's not going to be valid here anyway.
[03:38:07] Unknown:
So he can't use a traveler's, passport card?
[03:38:12] Unknown:
Not for here. For other countries, yes. At least that's my understanding. You can get on the website and look up the traveler's card and see where it's usable.
[03:38:29] Unknown:
So the passport book says that you cannot be detained and if for any reason that you are you know, needing assistance, they're supposed to assist you. So that's what it says on the passport. So you're saying you'd have to have a passport non travelers card. I call it the travelers. Okay. Let me clear
[03:38:49] Unknown:
this up, please. I think I was misunderstanding. I thought you said the international passport or I don't even know the international driver's license. I thought that's what you're talking about.
[03:39:00] Unknown:
Well, I do like to refer to it as if you have a passport card, you can use that anywhere as an international traveler's card because people just don't understand the difference between having a driver's license. Okay. Go ahead. Can I tell them? I'm making pizza. So the difference between a driver's license where we have permission and the right to have a passport card is the right to travel. So that's how I tried to explain it to some people that have been driving for forty years and have the best driving ability, you know, but they're waiting to be approved to have a driver's license where I said, why don't you get an international driver's card?
[03:39:48] Unknown:
And I misunderstood. I I I thought you were talking about the international driver's license, which is a separate document, and that one is only valid in other countries, not in The US.
[03:40:04] Unknown:
Okay. So you do say then that we should have a driver's permit,
[03:40:12] Unknown:
driver's license? No. What I'm what I'm saying is there is a separate there is a card that you can subscribe to that is called exactly a international driver's license. That is not accepted in The United States, it's accepted in other countries besides The United States. And it is totally separate than the passport card, totally separate from a regular driver's license, although it uses the regular driver's license. It's
[03:40:48] Unknown:
an international driver's license, but it's not recognized in the states where it was issued?
[03:40:56] Unknown:
Yes. That sounds good.
[03:41:00] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you. And so one more question then would be, if, okay, let me let me just yield here for a second. So there's a real ID, if I may. There's a real ID, and then there's an enhanced ID. So what I understand is the real ID is just for anyone to drive. And the enhanced enhanced driver's license is for someone who wants to go over the border. Is that correct?
[03:41:33] Unknown:
Correct.
[03:41:35] Unknown:
I yield. Over the border, meaning like Canada and Mexico. I yield. Okay. I guess that answers my question. Thank you.
[03:41:44] Unknown:
Sorry. I oh, from Utah. I don't know about that stuff. I have no answer on it myself.
[03:41:52] Unknown:
This this is Rich in in Alabama. When, when I was stationed
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over in Europe and Germany,
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the only way that, military personnel were able to travel in Europe was to get issued a USRA driver's license, and you had to take this you had to take this test. Now once you took that test and and it was you passed, then what you could do is you could go down to the local German community, Sparsham, I think it was called, And you could you could get issued a international driver's license. And it it basically would correspond with your new user of driver's license, which is user of United States Army Europe driver's license. So yeah.
So if if you wanted to so basically, what you do is you have you have two licenses. You have one that you were just recognized to to travel in Europe with with the user driver's license. But then you could go down and you can get a, quote, international driver's license, which was good for the everywhere in the world. Now, to my understanding, I I hear that I I've heard that here in The United States now, when you get a passport issued to you, you can also get a, quote, international driver's license issued to you because you're you're going overseas or you're going outside of The United States.
And that that driver's license is valid outside of The United States. So I think that, I could be wrong about this, but so far as, like, being in Germany, if I was a German and I got me an international driver's license, it I probably couldn't use it for Germany if I got pulled over because I'm, you know, I'm a German. So this it would the same concept would apply here in The United States where I could use my international driver's license. Now you might be able to try it. You might be able to pull it up somewhere. And if you have your passport, with, like, four stars because, you know more than the average average, American out there about, you know, what's going on in the country and world. They they might give you four stars with the do not detain if you have, resent that passport.
So, yes, for it it seems like it whenever there's a criminal part to any of this stuff, I think the whole, since affidavit of citizenship is goes out the window. It's it's only for non non, you know, quote, serious accidents or, injuries or crimes. I yield. So real quick How long do you know that?
[03:45:59] Unknown:
USA.gov website. International driver's licenses for US citizen. If you're a travel if you are a US citizen planning to drive while traveling abroad, find out if you need an international driver's permit. And then so I'm gonna stop at that permit. And I'm gonna backtrack on my phone. And there are companies that sell international driving permit. Let's see. Give me just a second. So internationaldrivingpermit.org is where I'm at, and it states why do I need to carry why do I need to carry an IDP? How can I apply for an IDP? And it will tell you about it, but I'm pretty sure one of the things that it does not allow is it does not work in The United States because that's your issue in country.
And I don't know if it would work for especially for a commercial application, but you could surely read that. And if just just Google international driving permit. Plenty of information out there. And I have one. I picked one up through my process of what I've been doing, but I don't probably don't have any use for it myself. And solid kind of one, two, or up to three years.
[03:47:31] Unknown:
Okay. Well, thank you so much. I'll let him know that he doesn't wanna go anywhere. You know, he's traveled for forty years everywhere. He's seen everything, and he wants to get out of this world. Anyways, you know, he seems too much. So, you know, he's waiting for the, you know, the new world, not the new world. And he's waiting for, you know, the streets of gold. And so that's pretty much, you know, he's waiting for them to give him a call and say he can come in and, you know, take the test to see whatever. So I appreciate that information in regards to the, you know, whenever there's a lawful situation. So if there's a lawful situation, I did read or hear that a national cannot sue any other, so it would be any other man or woman, right? A national can have a grievance with an entity, is that correct, but not another man or woman, I yield.
Okay. And that might be, you know, not an entity. Maybe it's a corporate entity. No. I don't think so. I mean, he would have his issues with another man. Correct?
[03:48:43] Unknown:
Is that Julie? Negative. Did any did anybody, get, Mark in all caps complete email address that they could share with me?
[03:49:05] Unknown:
So, I don't know Mark's email address, but maybe I did say that backwards. So, a man and another man or woman can settle their differences, but is it true that a national cannot sue anyone else? Maybe that's the better way to say it, Ayil.
[03:49:29] Unknown:
That, I don't know the answer to that question, but it almost sounds like something that was maybe a common law tradition before the, civil war.
[03:49:44] Unknown:
I know someone was trying to sue people in their private capacity, and, the government was trying to convert it into their public capacity.
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Where was that coming from? It
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was on Sovereign Living site. Some of the work that I forget the John Daniel Joseph, I believe, was doing.
[03:50:10] Unknown:
Hey. Yeah. This is Rich in Alabama. I'm right now, I'm looking on YouTube. I've I've found this video a couple of days ago, and I think I might have seen it back in maybe 2010. And reading this and watching this guy, it seems that the information that he's putting out was part of a series of documentaries that they did about the war, what, for example, Andrew Jackson tried to accomplish when he was president and what happened after he was out of the picture when the war between the states took place and they brought it in the fourteenth amendment and then the Reconstruction Act.
This is at this I can tell it's this it's gotta be the same series. But, there's a guy who's on here. Guy's wearing a bow tie and a suit. His name is Richard I Fine, f I n e. And he he reveals how to, fight corrupt judges. And, apparently, you know, look looking up, trying to find as much information as I could on this guy, apparently, he was he was, back in the eighties, high rolling Beverly Hills District or area, attorney or lawyer. And he he tried to expose or get on the, you know, the the right path, so to say, of proper proper courts.
And, apparently, I I guess, it it didn't work what he tried to do, and they, I think they they basically took away his bar bar license, and he spent, like, a year and a half in in jail. But he, were practicing without a license, I guess, after after he lost, you know, they took it away from him, the, you know, Bar Association. And I've I've been reading some stuff on on him, and it and apparent apparently, just out of nowhere, they just dropped everything. Now I don't know if the guy's still alive. I hope he is. But, this was back in 02/2009 and, around 02/2010, I think all this stuff might have been taking place.
Now on the on YouTube, it's it's listed under William Wagner, which released this about seven years ago. But this this Richard Fine is very he's a very interesting man, and he apparently was has been trying to get as many of the citizenry out there in in the country to become aware of how corrupt the the court system is, especially in California where he was basically practicing. And and as you know, we you know, California, unfortunately, still is corrupt as can be. But, this this this man, he did he did a lot, I believe, to try to expose the corrupt, court system. And as we all know, here twenty twenty three, four, even before that with Trump, He didn't even have a chance to become president without being messed with before swearing in back in 2017.
So, I would think that even, Trump and all of his supporters should know about this and should or are right now as we speak trying to refine and correct this whole judicial system.
[03:55:02] Unknown:
This is from the book of the hundreds, under miss of the patriot movement. Since 03/09/1933, the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency. Under the powers delegated by these statutes, the president may seize property, organize and control the means of production, seize commodities, assign military forces abroad, institute martial law, seize and control all transportation and communication, regulate the operation of private enterprise, restrict travel and they're talking about travel in particular and why we really can't use that as an argument anymore.
And in a plethora of particular ways, control the lives of all American citizens. And, you know, we can see what Trump is doing right now. We might think wonderful, but truly Congress laying on its hind legs, not doing its job.
[03:56:17] Unknown:
Just like right now?
[03:56:19] Unknown:
Yes.
[03:56:21] Unknown:
Yeah. Hopefully hopefully, they're they're they're, that's going to get purged, and cleaned up. I I think, hopefully, hopefully, President Trump is gonna go after, you know, the, quote, neopons next. But it seems like, yeah, you know, I I kinda get mixed signals about, some things. I I just watched president Trump on, on YouTube here just this morning. I guess he was addressing the all the media people about the United Nations. And, heck, I remember back in 2017, he was saying one of his first goals was to get rid of that that UN building that was across the street or across the river wherever in New York from where the Trump Towers were. So, apparently, he didn't like the UN back then. And, he said that the UN now and I don't know if this is from people advising him.
He's saying that, you know, the he said The United he said The United States is a democracy. And when he said that, I'm like, oh, no. I'm like, I thought The United States is a republic. But he kept on telling all these people that, you know, The United States is a democracy. And, he said that the United Nations is, they're they're way, way off off line and out of line. And he said that it could be a productive good organization, but it's not. And it sounded like to me somebody I don't know. I just kinda get the opinion that, maybe somebody's got, you know, maybe some control over him in that regard when it has to do with the United Nations.
[03:58:33] Unknown:
I hope I'm wrong. I hope he's just giving
[03:58:36] Unknown:
the, the the the Democrats a false sense of, you know, hope or something to where he can get them to get their let their guards down even more. But with this, USA, this agency, Wow, it's finally they're finally revealing to the American people the massive money laundering that's been going on in the in the federal government ever since all these agencies were stood up by FDR. And, I even saw Jamie Ratcliffe no. Jamie Ratzkin the other day when they were all standing out going bonkers over Elon Musk, starting to do an audit and trying to find out where all the money has been going. They were raising hell out outside the capital.
And Ratzkin made the, comment about, Elon Musk thinks he's a fourth branch of government. And when I heard him say it, I'm like, no. You are. You guys are the ones that created all those agencies just like FDR said that they created a fourth branch of government. It's administrative in its scope. And that was a pamphlet that he he himself had written in 1937. And I don't know if I don't know if it's available out there anymore. I know that Ralph Winter Road had one back when he was still alive, and I guess he was, he had he had his own company worth a couple of mills. So I guess he had some some, old rare books and stuff, and I don't know what happened to all that stuff.
More than likely after he passed, the Alaska state came in and probably probably destroyed everything, made it all go away because that's what he was using to stand against the State of Alaska.
[04:01:00] Unknown:
Yes, I understand that it was Kennedy that tacked on AIDS, probably with good intention at first, right, but like everything else.
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Everybody's got to be consumer so you can print more FRNs.
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Was that a warriorcalls.com or .org or who do I remember? Hey, Samuel. Samuel, are you still listening?
[04:01:29] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm here.
[04:01:34] Unknown:
Have have you heard anything from, oh, gosh. What was his name? He used to come on all the time last year. He was he was living up in Michigan, going through divorce, I guess, or, and he was also a veteran, and he was doing he was contributing a lot of, really good information to the to the shows that Roger was given. I'm trying to think of his name. Abrams. Like, you know, Abrams tank?
[04:02:23] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Abrams.
[04:02:26] Unknown:
Yeah. Is he still around?
[04:02:28] Unknown:
Well, he tried to, you know, make a point with Roger on a number of things, and, I I guess he just got frustrated and laughed. I I don't know much about it really. I got one document from him that I like, and it's, it's about proving what a national is. But Gary, unfortunately, who is sick right now up in Montana, he owes me any copy of that one or two, three pages of, all the court cases that, regarding a national. I'd like to get a copy of that if anybody has access to it. Or if it's on the matrix docs or something, I'd like to find that. Because I wanna include that in my notices.
[04:03:21] Unknown:
I was just saying that at the same time that, Wahid was coming on a lot. And, yeah, Abraham would, I guess, get frustrated and he'd he'd pound on Waheed. So, yeah, kind of some funny stuff going on back back then.
[04:03:47] Unknown:
Yeah. Unfortunately, it was raising raising Roger's blood pressure and Abram got frustrated and that's about what came out of it, I guess.
[04:04:01] Unknown:
Oh, was it was it because was it with Wahid being, in the middle of all that? Or
[04:04:09] Unknown:
No. Roger and Abraham were, I don't know. How would I put it? It's when Christians argue about things that really aren't of importance when it comes to salvation and getting upset about it. It's really not worth it. You know what I'm saying?
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Yeah. Was it was it The US national thing or just national? Was that what is that what the whole thing was about?
[04:04:38] Unknown:
Yeah. It that was in the context of it. Yeah.
[04:04:42] Unknown:
Okay. Because I where I just came across something, about that national and US national, you know, how what's the best way to put it down and it and it sounded like the need the way it that it was explained when it's U. S. National, you're still basically saying that you're a U. S. Citizen with some or less or some are more privileges than just the regular quote US citizen. But when you call yourself a national, just a national, basically small, you know, and whatever is the other that goes back to the before the American Civil War.
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Abraham created a three page document called affidavit of citizenship evidence with exhibits, which I believe he filed in his local court, or something. I'm not sure. But it has the place here for state county of
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sworn
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signature of notary public. The commission expires. So it's a notary page that's attached to this. I don't know exactly where he filed it.
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Mhmm.
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Do you do you have do you have a point of contact to him? No.
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I I never really did. I was on some after hour talk things with him. He and I didn't particularly agree on a number of things, like the, basement, but then he found out that was true, and a few other things. Not really that important that I'm saying, but, probably the name and whether it has importance for him or not.
[04:07:00] Unknown:
You mean are you talking about surname and family name and all that kind of stuff?
[04:07:06] Unknown:
Yeah. How the how the courts bring us in through the nom de guerre.
[04:07:13] Unknown:
Nom de guerre. Now if you say that in a courtroom, you're definitely gonna get people looking at you like this guy must know what he's talking about. Nom de guerre. That's French. Correct?
[04:07:27] Unknown:
It's French or Latin. My position is Latin, and it's means war name. You know, we were declared war in that '33 thing as the enemies of the state, and I think that's why that name is used.
[04:07:45] Unknown:
Yeah. I remember president Trump. Oh, gosh. Let me try I'm trying to remember when I heard him talk about this, but I think it's last year sometime. He he was telling, you know, people that were all listening to him. He's like, can you believe they oh, that was that's where they were trying to they were trying to, I I guess, bring some kinda, I don't know if it was Stormy Daniels or it was just stuff going on up in New York State. And he made the statement. Can you believe that they're trying to bring out a law from 1917, like trading I think you might have said it was trading with the enemies act or something for that nature to bring these offenses on me.
And he didn't go into much detail after that, but he did make that statement that I think basically referred to trading with the Enies Act and have been weaponized to use against me. So so I think I think Trump definitely is getting getting the information from somewhere. And so many like that can't afford to have have, you know, really good, good opinions around. You know what I mean?
[04:09:19] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, his one of his looks like favorite presidents is Lincoln. That's sort of scary.
[04:09:25] Unknown:
Yeah. That's where this all started. I saw the bus behind. I saw him in the Oval Office, and I saw the on off onto the left was a a bust of Abraham Lincoln, but directly behind him is Andrew Jackson riding on a horse. You know? And I'm sitting there looking at it, and I'm like, wow. That's kinda like the yin and the yang right there because, you know, as we know, Andrew Jackson, he was he was fighting against the, you know, the whole new monetary system that Alexander Hamilton tried to bring in with the central banks. And I try to when I'm talking to people about history and what's going on with the country and right now, just go back and look at what Andrew Jackson tried to accomplish when he became president, and I'd let them know that he was the first president that, attempts on his life were made.
And who was behind that, conspiracy to assassinate Andrew Jackson. Once you find that out, it's gonna start to open up the, quote, you know, can of worms, so to say. Whereas once Andrew Jackson was out of the way, once he died off, like what you guys were talking about earlier, like every eighty years or so. Everybody's basically died off and there's nobody that knowledge is all gone or almost all gone. It's the same with the insurance. If I remember correctly, like the fine print on insurance policies, somewhere there it says basically your average American house is built to last about seventy years.
And if you've ever been to Europe, it's a completely different construct if you want to call it that where houses over their homes are built to last a thousand years if not longer. And usually the same family and name, is that goes with that house that was built hundreds of years earlier. The same bloodline or offspring are usually all in that house. Now I don't know how it is after World War II, a lot of people got displaced from that house that was in their name for hundreds of years. But here in The United States Americans are pretty mobile people mainly because I don't think that we don't have a culture like Europe does or probably Japan.
But because we're a mobile people, I think in those housing insurance contracts in that fine print, I did read somewhere that seven years is about the cost effectiveness of a house in The United States. And as I say over in Europe you know that those houses have been there for a long time. All you got to do is go bang on the outside of it with your fist. Those those houses are were built to fight out of as far as I'm concerned, whereas the ones here in the in The United States, they've got them around to go in one side and out the other. You know? So that goes to kind of prove my point about United States whose citizenry or people are very mobile. They don't stay in one place normally for long period of time. Now there are exceptions obviously.
I think that Mr. Hansen, Professor Hansen that lives out in California, He's fifth generation, in the same house. So, you know, there there are holdouts, which is awesome. I I I think that's what's so wonderful about, you know, The United States in that regard is people staying in the same same place where they, you know, basically are called from, you know.
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No. All the Indians are displacing all the heritage homes down south, you know, to have a tech job or whatever. So selling all these big farms to put up, McMansions, and then the Indians are coming in and buying.
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McMansions?
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Yes. Yeah. I just I just wanted to say regarding Jackson. He was the first president. I do believe that refused a federal judge order regarding the banking system because they had gotten in there and controlled the court. And, he basically he said, you know, what are you gonna do about it? I got the troops, dude. I think I think that's the showdown that's coming with Trump as well in some of these regards, which, you know, I'm not really condoning because he shouldn't have that much power, but I think it's coming.
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Now didn't didn't that same thing happen, during the, what was it, 1860 or '61 with that sign of day where, I mean, I've just heard it being talked about on on YouTube on that, one channel that this Richard I find seems to be a part of. But, yeah, I haven't officially founded any books or anything. I just heard everybody in the patriot community talking about it where, I guess it was Lincoln or somebody. I don't know if it's a sergeant in the guard or whatever, but they, they went and did they arrested all the the democrat senators or something like that, and that's where that sign of day came from?
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No. But it's covered in the book of the hundreds. If you get that, it covers the history of the country and it's got that in there.
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So were they were they blue belly federal troops that went in and arrested all the, the southern, representatives?
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Well, they they adjourned and didn't, set a date to reconvene, which dropped them out of parliamentary procedure. So there was without that date, it was they went signed to eye. And, what happened was Lincoln called a special, on as commander in chief a on July 4, a special, assembly of Congress. But, of course, you don't have the Southern states there, etcetera. So the whole thing's a mess. And a lot of people want to argue that that was the end of Congress. Congress is just a rubber stand for the power of the President since.
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Well, that was the end of the de jure republic, correct?
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Yeah.
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Wow. So then it sounds like to me, I'd I'd have a hard time believing that Abraham Lincoln just came up with all that stuff, you know, by himself. Now supposedly, I hear he was a lawyer and all, but I think the connection can be made with, the statement that supposedly Abraham Lincoln had made about having Jefferson Davis to his front. And I've got the bankers on my back, and I fear the banks more than I do Jefferson Davis. So I wonder I wonder if those are the people that, he made that statement about
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where the one Well, Davis.
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If you've got the to come in and and
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if you read the book of the hundreds, a number of the northern states wanted to get out of the union. Nobody ever talks about that. They bring that up. They were already places like Connecticut were already signed I. They were trying to get enough state to throw it so that, there there was no two thirds majority anymore, and they could, succeed. Nobody ever talked about that, and and Lincoln knew this, and he didn't want the union to go away under his rulership, his leadership. So he came up with a plan where everybody gets what they want except the South, but the union stays together.
So it's worth reading.
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So it sounds like he he had to have, obviously, some yeah. The the the mass some some big mastermind people of power behind Lincoln, not just Lincoln?
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Well, he was playing with some high voltage. That's why they I think they assassinated him in the end, you know. I think he, you know, he may have wanted reconciliation, and that wouldn't have gone over well with the money powers because they wanted to suck the tar and the bone marrow out of the cell and they did.
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Yes, Lincoln knew too much, right?
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Right. That's yes, because of that statement he made about the bankers on his back, and supposedly, he was the first president right to come out with the greenback. And with the greenbacks, he, went on ahead and had those distributed without charging interest at 30 something percent that the bankers wanted. And that's what got them to, remove him physically from the planet.
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Well, he he realized shortly after he got into a war that it was gonna bankrupt the country. So when he was looking for all kinds of schemes to raise the money, which were bonds and not just the Federal Reserve or the, the greenback, etcetera. That was one part of it. But he did all kinds of different schemes to raise the money and You know that $10.40 bond, that's where the $10.40
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comes from, right? That was interesting. I never do that in the book of them.
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Yeah. That's what they say.
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Now is there a book is there a book about sign a day and what that was all about?
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I don't know. Well, it's like I said, it's in the history of the book of the hundreds.
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Okay. Thanks, Daniel.
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And I think it's the second page in the book of the hundreds. It shows the federal proceeds from the beginning to and through the wars and how much more money the federal government has been collecting on every time we fight a war, you know their proceeds go up. I mean I think the Civil War the proceeds to the federal government were like a %. War is profitable for a lot of people. Unfortunately a lot of people get hurt. Laws get changed. Freedom is lost.
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Yeah. 2,000,000 a day. Right? Wasn't that the figure in the book of the hundreds they were talking about the how much money was being spent?
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Yes. I don't know the exact number, but I don't know if you heard me the other day. I looked at up what $500 fine was in $18.69 dollars and it's equivalent today of almost $15,000 So even though we look at those numbers, those numbers are really astronomical compared to today.
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So is there an official book of the 1 hundred's like in hardback or paperback or is it just something that
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it could be The only thing I know about it is the PDFs that you can just download.
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Right. But there are there there's no official hardback on it? I don't believe so.
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Not that I know of.
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Not even a paperback?
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No. I just sent mine off to my printer
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and have them spiral bound, and that was it.
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Now is is, Sam, you probably know this. Is Gary Allen the guy that wrote the book Non dare call it conspiracy? Is he still around?
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I don't know if he's still living, but he wrote that in 1972.
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Right. Because, I remember that I remember that book floating around. I was a little kid. I didn't really know much about it, the existence of it until it was given a copy was given to me by my dad. I grew up in California, so and my dad my dad, you know, was, for me, he was not he was a sheriff's department in San Diego. So he worked a whole bunch of different, you know, they give you a pretty much well rounded law enforcement education. So he worked in the he worked in the courtrooms for a while as a bailiff. And, I remember I got to got to see that book.
I have that paperback around here somewhere, I think, back from that, that time frame that it was that was given to me.
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Yeah. The reason I remember the date and everything is that I was reading it in my high school library, and my librarian told me I couldn't read that in her library.
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Are you serious?
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Yeah. That's how liberal Wisconsin was then already. And anybody who thinks California is crazy, well, Wisconsin ain't much ain't very far behind.
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Wow. Wow.
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Especially the closer you get to Madison.
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Yeah. I remember I remember Madison seemed to wind up in the news almost seemed like every every few years. I guess, what is there, a university there? And they they would always start getting going crazy and destroying stuff.
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Very liberal
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thinking. Where did it come from, that liberal thinking?
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Oh, probably the forty eight ers.
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So the 48ers literally came over in 1848 en masse from Germany that were trying to get away from the where they were getting expelled or something from Germany because of the their, I guess, kind of communist, Marxist philosophies.
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Yeah. That's that's it in a nutshell. And they settled in Wisconsin. It was almost completely German settlement. You know? I think we had one neighbor who was from French descent, and, that's the only one I can remember that wasn't German.
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Yeah. Because, actually, when I was when I was my first duty station over there in Germany, to get out of where I was stationed at the time, you know, for, weekend getaways when we had them. I'd always, take a taxi to Bonhoeffer and then take a train ride. They'd go down to Zarbruch, and then I'd get on a connection that went up to Trier. And, just down the street from a little pub that I, used to hang out in, Well, it was, Karl Marxstrasse in Trier, Germany. That's where he was born. And it was it was kind of unusual. I remember going to stay in the gas house just down the block, and I walked by I'd walked by his, his his house every time I'd, you know, go, go to Trier.
And so I guess a lot of a lot of that mentality and influence of, of the German people that must have been exposed to Karl Marx and Ingalls and whoever, were on that that, I guess, who got expelled out of Germany. Well, I'm up in Wisconsin. So I wonder if Abraham Lincoln was welcoming welcoming those guys when they got off the boat in '40 or, yeah, '48. Just an just enough time to train for military training, getting ready to be agitators where they're coming or more between the states, I guess.
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So Karl Marx had editorials in all our newspapers around the world, including places like the New York Times, and they say Lincoln was a pen pal with Marx.
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Is there is there any historical evidence of that, like, in the Smithsonians or anything?
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It's also covered in the book of the hundreds, and it talks about some of his best friends and his religious views, which weren't Christian. At best you could say he was a Unitarian, so he didn't believe in Christ. Maybe a deity.
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But And it's well well footnoted too there in the book of the hundreds, so you'll
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Yeah.
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Yeah. I heard I heard one reason why he was, his head I guess he got kicked in the kicked in the forehead or he got kicked in the head by a horse, when he was young or something like that. That's probably what made his his, appearance so, so different, I guess. Did you hear anything about that?
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No.
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As a matter of fact, I just saw on YouTube a picture of, Lincoln, I guess, with his death mask or something. I mean, yeah, you could see the you could see the signs of him, look like, yeah, he he had gotten some pretty bone crushing on his on his skull. I didn't I didn't click onto the video and watch it, but I think that so I I read a caption somewhere stating and I don't know if this was during the, that that same video that I didn't click on and watch, but said something about, Abraham Lincoln was, like, after he was shot, supposedly somebody somebody also kicked him kicked him really hard in the head when he, when he was down. You know?
But I also had heard that when he was a young kid, out on that cabin or whatever that supposedly liked to work splitting wood and all that fun stuff. He, he got severely kicked in the head, which might have caused him to look as ugly as he did. But, you know, who knows? That might just be country folklore. I don't know. So, Samuel, are things still burning down there in Southern California, or is it all been, contained?
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I think it's all out right now.
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It's all out?
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It's a long way for him to go.
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So is, is Newsom in hiding, or is he out in the forefront leading the charge to bring back California.
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I think he's busy worried about Trump.
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I hope he is. I hope he's sweating bullets right now.
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Me too.
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I I really do. I I hope this I hope the Trump administration I hope they really they need to purge this country of all those people that would had brought so much evil onto this country. And I think it's time for retribution personally.
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There's a movement out here that's been going on for a long time called New California State. And, if Trump ever got behind that, I think he could end up with two Californias, an old and a new.
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If I may, you mentioned something about, Karl Marx, and you said Wisconsin. He was from Wisconsin. Would I hear something different?
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No. No.
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Born in Germany and in Trier, Germany. I used to walk down down his walk in front of his house when I'd go from the from the pub to the, gas house to spend the night. But, yeah, his his place of birth was right right down about three doors down from the pub I used to hang out in.
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In Germany?
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In in Trier, Germany. It's Trier, Germany is the oldest city in Germany.
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And then you said something about Wisconsin right after that. So that's kind of confused.
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Yeah. It was from from eighteen forty eight ers that fled Germany. They were they were basically ran out of Germany. They were considered revolutionaries and they were push out Germany and they they all went to The United States. And, they wound up going to Wisconsin apparently.
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Okay. Well, I know I had some relatives that were German that came from Canada and they were chiropractors and then they went for the gold rush and then they were mysteriously you know, they they died. Their wagon, probably filled with gold, but the bodies were taken to Wisconsin.
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Wow.
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I mean, so they were they were on a wagon or Jake and the wagon train out to California or something, and they got bushwhacked and their bodies were returning to the
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18 hundreds. What did they usually travel by?
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Yeah. Wagon train, but I mean, was it was it was it literally a a wagon train or did they try to go out west on their own?
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Well, a chiropractor, I think they're self sufficient. They probably went out there on their own, but when they came back, they didn't make it back. So they were, you know, mysteriously, the bodies were then deposited in Wisconsin. That's why I wondered why you mentioned Wisconsin and the Germans because my father, my dad, was born in Wisconsin, and he's, not German, though. He's Slovak.
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Well, to my to my understanding, a lot of a lot of people literally from Europe, especially in more Nordic countries of Europe, they all settled in Canada and in The United States up there in their northern kind of the same longitude or latitudes basically the same. They're looking for the same climate or something similar to where their the old country looked like. That's usually where they would settle. And then plus they probably might have had some, relatives already established there. So when they left Europe, a lot, you know, times they would just go and settle where,
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they had Yeah. Then they would group together so that their culture was being, you know, saved to some extent. Like, Minnesota was almost all Swedish. Right? So Wisconsin was primarily German. They were looking for the same climates in the cultures. You know? I mean, back home, all our weddings are still, polka and waltzes. You know? Just traditional stuff.
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Yeah. True. True. Yeah. Some sometimes when I go visit, friends in the Midwest or relatives, and turn on the TV, they have a tendency to, I'll they they used to show I don't know if they still do. Probably it's probably not as popular as it used to be, but, yeah, they show all these, community get togethers and, polkas. Everybody everybody be out on the dance floor, you know, doing the polka dance to, yeah, polka music. And, the only time I think I ever ever saw something similar to that was square dancing in, Palomar, Mount Palomar back in the early seventies when I was a kid.
I remember some folks square dancing and some, you know, up in the mountains up in a up in a big cabin up there. But, yeah, the the the I've never seen anything like it down here at the South in the Deep South like like the folks up there in the up way up north, they have their their polkas, which is basically a German Germanic, probably Polish and maybe yeah. Different. I think different hung Hungarian, probably, maybe Czech. But they all have that that type of I don't know, maybe sometimes they call it maypole, kind of the maypole dance. You know?
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That's funny. Yeah. So that's my dad was, he would always after work, and he then he would go and garden, and then he'd go and do the landscaping in everybody's yards in the neighborhood. And then he would shower, have dinner, and sit down, and then he would entertain the whole neighborhood with his, accordion. So, yeah, he's very missed that culture. And, so do you do you dance, and do you teach that to any of your area?
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Oh, no. Not no. Not at no. Not me. No. I'm just an observer. I I I mean, I used to see it in Germany all the time. In in the, this is what's so amazing about Germany, the their their cultural traditions are are still still prominent. Like, for example, they always have a spring they they normally have a spring festival of some type. Actually actually, right now, what's going on, like, for example, I I heard, heard the show talking about a little bit earlier about, I guess, the Super Bowl is going to be down in New Orleans, right? And they're talking about they're talking about the Mardi Gras.
Well, people don't realize that Mardi Gras comes from Europe. It comes they have the same thing going on right now in Europe, but it's not called Mardi Gras, it's called Foschings in Germany. And, yeah, it's it's What does that mean? It's a tradition, I think, that evolved from the Catholic church, and it was a period of time during the medieval period and maybe even dark ages where you had the feudalistic culture in Europe and you had you only had two classes of people. You had basically the church and the royalty, the people with money and then you had the peasants, which were the feudal servants.
And they would have the celebration at this time in February where people would, people would don masks that they would make. And then they would all and then everybody would go, have a big party celebration, and the whole class structure fell off for a couple of weeks. So it was a time for the feudal landlords and the peasantry to co mingle in more ways than one in through these parties and celebrations of basically I think it might have been you could probably call it he doism because, yeah, people would people wear would wear masks, so nobody knew who anybody was.
They didn't know what you know, they were in costumes, so so people just go and it was an excuse to, I guess, pull off pull off the wedding band and go into town and, live it up, so to say. And that's that's literally been a tradition, it's a Catholic tradition like I say for hundreds and hundreds of years.
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Horrible.
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Yeah. I mean, yeah, it it is. I mean, I you know, it's people are always looking for a reason to party, I guess, but
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I mean, I I I don't Romans have that too, I think.
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Yeah. It's it is a it's a Roman it's a Roman it's a Roman it's a Catholic tradition. As I was explaining to her, yeah. I I don't I mean, when I was over there, I I had a really bad I don't have I don't have been in the hospital getting stitched up because of during that period of time. Supposedly, you can do crazy you're you're allowed to do crazy things and get away with it as long as it's not, you know, too crazy, I guess. But, yeah, I wound up I wound up getting in a I wound up getting in a really, really bad brawl of disagreement with some people that had done some, done something to to a old man and and me.
And, I didn't take too kindly to it. I got I got in a I got in a big big fight in, you know, and it was just me against I don't know how many of these guys I was fighting. But, Yeah. I wanted I wanted having to get ambulance to go to the go to the German hospital to get stitched up. So
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What year was that?
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I'm sorry?
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Was that in the seventies?
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No. It was in the, let me see what year was that. I'd say '89.
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I talked to a guy who said anything after the seventies when you went into a hospital, everything's had a digital ID on it. You know, those codes, like, you know, if you work in a factory, they've got a birth from the very beginning. Every single station, every single part of that assembly has a birthmark on it. So every single item that's ever created, they have, like, a UPC or UPS code or whatever it is. Right? And people are getting them, you know, tattooed on their arms like they're proud of this.
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Oh, I've I've seen I saw I started to see that about, let's just say, about fourteen, fifteen years ago. I've seen people with, I started to hear them, be called, tramp stamps, because there there were there were there were girls that they'd get, you know, when they get these tattoos put on them, And, we started calling them tramp stamps, but, yeah, I saw these some of these clowns that were, I guess, shaving their heads. Lot of them were shaving their heads, and they were getting a dead gun barcode tattoo on the back of their neck. And I don't know what that meant, and and I don't know if that barcode, you know, if it was scanned, what it would what what it would do. Would it identify them or some, you know, being part of a gang or I have no idea.
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I'm sure whoever that tattoo artist was, he claimed her or whatever. And so, yeah, I went to a place where, somebody was getting some free tattoos taken off, and that's very, very expensive. Let me tell you how much it costs to take off a free tattoo depending on the size and how many. It's very costly. And so they usually aren't free in the end. Okay? When when you have discovery, they're not free. And so when you realize that everything has little hardship in it or, you know, it's it's very disgusting. So then I went to this place with, someone, and I told the woman who was doing somebody's nails, you know. I said, your hair is so pretty, and it's so warm in here. Why don't you put your hair up? She says, oh, I could never put my hair up. And I said, why not?
They don't allow it here. And she says, well, no. She was dating this guy, and her dad was a tattoo artist. And, so she's got this tattoo on the back of her neck. She could never ever put her hair up again because he didn't like her.
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That's disgusting.
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And I know some relatives that I was recently talking with that, you know, in the eighteen hundreds, they farmed and they, you know, did some plantation work or whatever. They used to call it homesteading, and then they sold 6,820 acres, and they left. And I don't know if that you know, So maintain that. Maybe that we said that was kinda like a. And I read a lot of different things, and I didn't come up with this kind of, like, language, but you get things and set it apart, you know, because you want to find out what the heck of the, you know, word or why they named it. You're kinda like grab? Was it a just doesn't sound appealing when you start digging to find out why did they call it Mardi Gras or what is the actual meaning behind it in German, I guess?
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Mardi Gras. Well, it I don't think I'm sorry. Mardi Gras is not German to my understanding. Like I say, this period of time right now in Europe, it's called Boschings. In New Orleans and Mobile, Alabama, I guess, it's Mardi Gras. But and I've never been to the Mardi Gras. I've only been out during a fashion in Europe. And like I said, it wasn't a wasn't a pleasant experience. But I, the, you might be able to just, Google, the word Mardi Gras, where it's derived from, but I know that in in, not Florence. Yeah. Yeah. Florence. Yeah. Yeah. Florence.
Florence, Italy. You know, where you you know, the city where the gondolas gondola rides and all that kind of stuff are? Seen a lot of might have seen maybe a James Bond movie or something like that in in Florence.
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Didn't really watch live TV. I was working.
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The Italians the Italians, you know, because of the they're all like I said, anywhere anywhere where it's Catholic oriented or influenced is where you get that, the Mardi Gras Fosseens, festivals. Because as I say Mardi Gras. Excuse
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me.
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Mardi Gras is a French word, and it means carnival.
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Sounds just like it.
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Or I think, carnivali carnivali is, I used to hear that in Germany all the time, but it might be derived from Italian.
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Mardi Gras French, definitely.
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But in Germany, as you say, they call it Fochings.
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Yeah. I believe that it's carnival also.
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Yeah. Very it could be. So Fochard.
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That area down in in that area, like, was it the French conquered it or was it the Germans? Who who inhabited that area first? I mean, how far did you go back?
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The French were down there at, New Orleans and Mobile. Part of the part of the Louisiana Purchase, the French Quarter, but the French were Catholics too. But that's that's why the that's that's why America basically was established as the Puritans, they fled, they fled England because of King Henry the eighth and the, Church of England and all the rivalry going on between Henry VIII. England had once been a Catholic enclave, but then, when King Henry the eighth couldn't get a divorce, from the Catholic church, he, started his own church called the Church of England.
And then all the all the head lobbying that went on going back and forth from, bloody married to, oh, gosh. What was the other the other queen back and forth? The, the people that were just trying to, you know, learn about the bible or know the bible, they were being persecuted by the Catholic church, and they they decided we need to get out of here. And so they moved to a lot of them moved to Amsterdam where there wasn't there wasn't a Catholic influence of persecution.
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And
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then things, I think, started changing, going back the pendulum started to swing back the other way towards Catholics coming to the power. So the folks got together, they got some ships together, and they went over to England to pick up some more people, and they took off on the Mayflower. And I think actually Mayflower is the only one that was still ship worthy at the time. But, yes, Mayflower went over The United States and started the settlement from the colonies and but that that was that was all because they wanted to get away from the church of Rome because the Catholic church had persecuted and slaughtered millions of people throughout
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the centuries.
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That's why The United States is, you know, has been in a struggle, especially since the 1800s, because it it seemed like they were trying to preserve that the Puritan viewpoint, and they didn't want that Catholic influence coming in. That's why there was that that's why you see it it's a it's an undertone, but it's there. I can see it. You know? It's you you got all these different you have all these different churches now, and they but the early Americans, they did not want the Roman church yielding its influence here because that's why they left Europe is to was to get away from the church of Rome and all of its persecutions from the pope.
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I don't think you're right. That makes sense. I think if, somebody's been persecuted, okay, it's like Jesus. Why didn't Jesus change things? Because he knew that he was supposed to die for the sins of his father. You know? That was, you know, why he died. He was supposed to be persecuted. So, you know, that bloodline, like, somebody mentioned earlier, it stays in there. So years ago, they would have, 10 or 15 children. They don't have that anymore. These families are not having 10 children anymore. There may be two children if, if it's permitted.
Pretty much. Because I don't think we're in charge of all that anymore. I think the powers that be are dictating who and what and where and how they give everything to me.
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Very well could be. You're right.
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Told me back in the seventies, they started giving people kind of like, you know, why would they do that?
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Yeah. I remember I remember when you were talking about tattoos earlier. I I remember when I was a little kid. A little kid at church, and I I grew up in San Diego. So I remember I remember pulling on this man's arm. I said, what's that? He looked at he looked down at me. He goes, it's a tattoo, son. Don't ever get one. But he, yeah, it wasn't it was a it was a tattoo of an anchor, and I think the ship's name was on the on the anchor. But then there were other there were other guys that I've met that, I'd you know, this is probably in this in this well, this was in the sixties. I know it was that they were in the sixties. I was in the sixties too, but I was a lot younger than these guys. But, yeah, I saw attempts attempts of, people to get their tattoos removed.
And I remember asking one of the guys one of them at the church. I'm like I'm like, what happened to your what happened to your, your arm? And he said, well, he said, I'm, I'm having this tattoo removed. And I said, why? And he said, well, my my wife doesn't like somebody else's some other girl's name on my arm, so I'm getting it I'm getting it, removed. And that then, when you got a tattoo removed, it was very painful because they basically, what they did is they sand it off.
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So what's the, symbolism of the anchor, baby?
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It it was it was well, to my knowledge, it was they the anchor was a bit they were in the navy because San Diego is a navy town. You got you got the San Diego, San Diego is a military town, literally. You got Miramar Naval Air Station, which I don't think it's called that anymore, probably DEI'd. And you got San Diego Harbor, which is a naval military harbor. You got, gosh. What's the island? You got just a little bit Coronado? Yeah. Yeah. Coronado Islands is where the, elect the navy is stationed. So when I was when I was a little kid, you could go out to the island. You used to take used to take a they used to load up all the cars on a ferry boat
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across,
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out onto that island. But I reckon, like, 7071. They just they tell the bridge going over to the the Coronado Bridge.
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So then I'll be I don't know I don't know what or talk about
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it. Well,
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I gotta go. I gotta clean up the kitchen here. Grandson made a mess. Thanks, guys.
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It sounded like a pressure cooker or a a a air compressor.
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It's a welding torch, and we know how to use it.
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No. It's
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Just kidding.
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Well, I hope this creepy crud doesn't last long. I think I'm in it to about my on my probably on my, I don't know, third day. Hope it goes away quick. Does anybody anybody have any idea what president Trump wants to do with the, precious metals, department?
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Which department?
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Brent, you there? Sherry, are you there?
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Okay. Bye bye.
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Who are you looking for?
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I'm looking for Just Treacher.
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I'm looking for Brent or Sherry.
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Sherry is on a clear. I don't know. Maybe she's monitoring the channel or something. Maybe maybe she'll No worries.
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I don't know I don't know if you guys are interested, but in the chat at the very beginning of the show at, let's see. At the beginning of the show at 08:04 on my time, so it's, probably eleven. Depending on where you are, your time might be different. But at the very beginning, the first chance is the missing thirteenth amendment entered into Bitcoin, and I think he he's researched. He's a billionaire Bitcoin billionaire that's suing I forget who it is, but he's suing for a lot of money, and he researched every state to get the missing thirteenth amendment.
Okay. You need me to post it again?
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I cannot be there. Oh, you can I'm not aware.
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Okay. No worries. I just wanna make sure you got my email, Brent. If you didn't, let me know. Okay? Alright.
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I I got my email too.
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Alright.
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Drive safe. I know you do.
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Does any I don't know if what I don't know what happened to, maybe it has something to do with me having getting my phone repaired or something.
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Well, I can tell you I can tell you you're breaking up and I can't hear a word you're saying except a lot of a lot of static and, so all I can say is go out and come back in and like that be better but
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Yeah. Someone sounds like they're on a, yeah. Someone sounds like they're they can mute. They sounds like they're on a, walkie talkie.
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Thank you.
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Sounds like somebody's using their sink running water or something.
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Or frying bacon. And in the in the chat, I just put, Jesse Wells who eloquently sings truth bombs on a guitar. Young feller, and he's spitting some truth. Got a pretty good raspy voice for a young kid. And if you haven't heard him, I suggest you listen to some of his songs. He blew me away. And that young kid young kid, has a good, handle on life and the world.
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Inject ourselves into the changes that are happening, see if we can assert our influence a little bit. That's a day to day deal. We do it six days a week here at the Radio Ranch. Roger Sales, your host. And, I guess you were gonna have Mark today as might as well be a cohost. And let's see. The date stamp is the February 8. I'll talk about that possibly a little bit. And, Roger Sales, your host. So all that, we are on a much abbreviated, list of participants today, I believe, Paul. So you might wanna hit the one, two, or three of them, and we'll move forward here on the Saturday edition, which should be kinda interesting. We'll go tickle to death to have Mark back. Go ahead, Paul, if you would.
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Yeah. Yeah. I was I was just trying to sort out where a a ringing was coming from. I think somebody's alarm was going off in another window. So Gotcha. Wanted to make sure that if I opened my microphone, it wasn't gonna wind up on the show. But, anyway, because I talked about it, so I I guess we just went ahead and did it anyway. Yes. We're on a much abbreviated list of platforms today. We're on Eurofolkradio.com. Thanks to pastor Eli James. Again, shout outs for prayers for his expedient recovery from a triple bypass of less than seven days ago.
And, we're also on Global Voice Radio Network. That's radio.globalvoiceradio.net. Or you can find those links to Eurofocal and Global Voice on the matrixstocks.com. And you can also find the links to free conference calls so you can join us live on the show. That's it. We're not on WDRN. We're not on a bunch of other platforms that we normally are on during the week, but, Saturday is kind of our playground. It's it's it's our cake. Right?
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It's a little different, day to do the program. It has different, parameters and stuff, it seems. A little bit more relaxed even though we're normally relaxed, I think, pretty informal during the week. Get a drink of water there. Pardon me. Real happy to have Mark back today because we've you've been sick for a while, partner. And, Just recovering
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about about a week. It was pretty rough, and I've been recovering and fighting a bunch of congestion, which is, pretty much cleared. Hopefully my voice is back close to normal again. Yeah, it is. It is. And, glad to be here and excited about some of the stuff that's going on. We've got a couple of two nationals that got tied up with the ATF, and they're backing up. They got their affidavits in front of their eyeballs, and next thing you know, they start backing up. So Oh, really?
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I hadn't heard you. Is one of them the guy in Washington
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that came on the No. No. I I really don't wanna say it this time because they're not totally one of them is still working on a few things. I know one other one. Yep. Yep. We do. And the other one, just got a notice that was strangely delivered. And I don't wanna say much more than that, but it was chicken, manure as much as you could imagine. You're like, really? You know? But anyway, I they they've got they're working on a few things. They do want to come on and tell their story.
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And I think everyone will be excited to hear hear that. So Well, we had a new one just this week from Washington State. I can't remember his name right off. I'm sorry to say. But, he had he was just pushing the envelope. So he went to some chain store, I believe, there, and they, make you in Washington State take a hunter's
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safety course. Oh, I heard that. I heard that.
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Did you hear him say that? And then Yeah. I did. I did. I was I know. Failed it or something. I don't remember what happened. But, anyway, they called in the ATF, and I've never heard of any of those type situations on a purchase situation of the ATF being involved.
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So Well, he went about it totally backwards. Yes. He went about it totally wrong. He went to the gun dealer where he wanted to buy a gun, and he put his affidavit in front of their face. Right. And then they called the ATF to see if they could sell him a gun. Normally, it's just a FBI background check. So Yes. Had he just not said a word and checked off national on the was it the 4773? 40 4 70 3. 40 4 70 3, I think. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's the form. So if he would've I think there's a spot for national there. And if you would check that,
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it would've went right on through. But
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I don't know. A lot of people think they gotta tell everything upfront and, you know, educate people. And that's really not the way to go about this because it it's so different that that these people just cannot handle it. It just blows their mind. And then, of course, they're It does. You know, they're going around trying to tell people, well, if they do this, they're one of those sovereign citizens and they're a terrorist. You know. So it's the less is more. The less people know about your status, it's really better when it comes to your day to day dealings. Now, me personally, because they keep a record of all your gun purchases through a a firearm dealer, and and the ATF got busted this busted on this years ago, California banned, I don't know, maybe it's assault rifles.
And so they started knocking on people's doors asking them to turn it over. Well, wait a minute. What makes you think I have one? Well, you're on my list. Well, where'd you get that list? ATF. So the ATF was never supposed to keep a list of gun purchases, but they do. They did get busted on it, and then they said, oh, we won't do anymore, but I don't believe a word of that. So, you know, if you're gonna make a gun purchase, I would strongly suggest doing a a private sale. The for the time being, there's no no, you know, no paperwork involved and No. You know, the that's just the way that you can just buy from a private individual and it's a private sale.
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I asked him if he'd why didn't he do that? And he said he's just he's he's pressing the envelope here intentionally, and you kinda pressed it the wrong way. And like you said Yeah. Yeah. Of presenting an affidavit to the clerk at the firearms store. I mean, the they're not gonna know what the hell you're talking about. Okay? No. So you wanna say, I'm a national and hope that just that would provoke some response. As I say on here quite often and accurately, by the way, it's easier to pull a rope than it is to push a rope. K? You pull the rope. So you're a national and see if that stimulates any interest in the clerk. That that's the way to go about it, not throwing the affidavit around the app.
They're Right. They're just not gonna understand. I'm I'm gonna I may even get this, link and send it to Paul through the play, just a snippet of it that Tom d sent me this morning. Evidently, yesterday, Trump signed an executive order with about four main points as it appear as it pertains to guns. And this guy was ecstatic. Okay? Oh. And I'm and it just throws me for a loop as I've said on here often. The gun people, we should have a line of them from here to Omaha. Okay? Yep. And and you can't get their attention on this yet. Trump comes out and and and basically tells them, hey. You're a serf. I'm gonna let them do this. Gonna go back and then but one one of the things you're gonna do is take Bondi and go back and see if there's any gun crimes in the last four years against the fourth second amendment and and that kind of stuff. And these guys are, yeah. Yeah. I'm just sitting here thinking I can get you back to the pure second amendment. I try and tell you people, I've talked to you about it, and man, it just does not register.
And I don't get it.
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K? Still Well, it's just so they've been so brainwashed, Roger. It's just so I guess that's it, Mark. But still, they just hard for them to imagine that they could have that kind of freedom.
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Okay. I'm gonna get that link and get it to Paul and see if he can play it for sure. Well, they call that cognitive
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dissonance?
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Cognitive dissonance is one. I call it Pavlovian programming, because that's really what they're doing is they're putting this stuff deep in you know, this is from general part. And, Bart, Mark, you may never, and this audience, many much of you may have never heard it. It was in my book, and I got this information from general Benton Parton. So the source is irreproachable. K? And I've had people ask me, where can you I find that to, I don't know if this is where I heard it, and I don't doubt it a bit because this guy would never lie. K? And so, Benton Parton, when he was investigating, communism, well, he spent a bit of time on Pavlov and his experiments.
Everyone's kinda familiar. As he said, when we were studying Freud, they were studying Pavlov. And, what, his, his experiments, of course, you're usually exposed to in psychology one zero one are are called condition response with the dog. And the first, part of the experiment was they would ring the bell and give the dog food. And they got to the point where they could ring the bell and not give the food, and the dog would salivate. K? Conditioned response. And so but nobody knows about the other parts of the experiment. Have you ever heard that, Mark? Have you ever heard me talk about it?
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I don't I don't recall that. No.
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Okay. Well, the second part of Pavlov's experiment was they took the same dog in the same room, and they conditioned it to turning on the light and beating it with a stick. And, there was a spot over in the corner with a board parallel to the floor that the dog could get under and not receive the beating. Okay? But the initial deal next one was the light and the stick. Now in the third stage of the experiment, they rang the bell and they turned on the light at the same time. What do you think the dog did?
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I don't know.
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It stood in the middle of the room and shook
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at the condition. The board to hide?
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Yeah. Yeah. Do what now?
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So it didn't go under the board to hide? It just No. It stood no more shook because didn't know what's gonna happen?
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Well, it's what they they call a, and I had it right on this, the, a state. It's a catatonic state. Catatonic. Thank you. Thank you, Paul. Catatonic state. And if you wonder what has been going wrong with Americans and you get into this condition response field, and I heard some guys that were experts on it one time listening to a discussion, and they said the interesting thing about it is the more conditions that you put on an individual, the deeper the conditioning goes. Wow. So, anyway, that's a very interesting insight. I have no idea where you can find that information, but I'm telling you, the retired general Benton b Parton told me that himself.
I heard him Ted say it in talks. It was in his talk also. So, but that's something most people never heard of. In fact, I don't know that I've ever met anybody but him that ever heard of it. Yes, Paul? Wow.
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We we have a real life example of that. Basically, when you mentioned Trump to somebody that's been conditioned by the mainstream, and they just they shut down. They just start shaking. They actually start vibrating. It's because they have been pummeled by both positive and negative conditioning when it comes to Trump. They love him and hate him at the same time, so they don't know how to sort out those, those conflicting emotions, and they just shut down. And and they don't even wanna hear about Trump because they don't like feeling that way. And the only thing they remember is, oh, I hate Trump because he makes me feel all shaky and stuff, but they don't know why.
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Well, could be. I don't know. I can't There's another syndrome you can throw in there.
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There's another syndrome you can throw in there, and that's the Stockholm syndrome that comes alive with Patty Hearst was, kidnapped, and then she become one of the one of the people that, that, she became part of the group that kidnapped her. It was a Lebanese The Symbionese
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Symbionese Liberation Army. Wasn't that it? Yeah. Lebanese. Yes. I think it was Lebanese Liberation. I think it was Symbionese. Was it? Symbionese. Yeah. I think it was Symbionese. Yep. So, anyway, look. It was Well, there's Joe. There's big Joe. Hey, buddy. It was. Paul, my name. Okay. Thank you. Paul, I just dropped you that, link. When you can let let's listen. I want y'all to hear this guy's enthusiasm
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here over this. You don't have to listen to too much of it, but just a little bit to illustrate what I'm talking about. And Alright. Welcome back, brothers and sisters. This is a day. We have the pro two a second amendment, all the goodness executive orders that Trump just dropped. Guys, we're talking seconds ago. Make sure as you're getting in here, you're sending this out to everyone. You are following me at at Braden l o a on x. You are posting this everywhere. Tag me if you want because what we've got right now, guys, is the executive orders that support the second amendment. I'm gonna walk you through the entire thing. This is what we've been waiting for. Make sure, guys, you hit that like button, subscribe the channel, turn the notification bell on. If you are here for more of what I'm about to show you and send this everywhere. It's all linked right down there in the description box. Make sure we've got audio. We are good to go. Let's go, baby. Okay.
Sorry, guys. I'm I'm really amped about this one. I'm I'm I'm pretty stoked. Okay. So, I'm gonna go through this in two ways. As you guys are filtering in, we do have the executive orders, Okay? I'm gonna read you what they've released on the, Tampa Free Press, which is right here in front of you. And again, you can see it time stamped 02/07/2025. That is current. And then I'm gonna read you some stuff that I can't quite show you on screen. Trust me. It's for a reason. Everything that I can show you is linked, because we got some source stuff I gotta protect there. But, guys, make sure you send this one out. You like the video. You subscribe to the channel because that is how you get this everywhere. We have been waiting and here we go. Okay.
Get it. Let's get it. We got enough people in here. Let's go. I'm gonna read this as it comes out. Okay? Again, let me hear you in the comments, landing planes, all the things. I'm excited. President Donald Trump has signed an executive order aimed at safeguarding the second amendment rights of American citizens. The order titled protecting second amendment rights directs the attorney general to review and address potential infringements on the right to keep and bear arms that may have occurred during the Biden administration. Remember that whole thing that he said in his, campaign? We're gonna rip it out by the root. Okay. Let's keep going.
In the order, president Trump emphasized the foundational importance of the second amendment calling it an indispensable safeguard of security and liberty, and I'm gonna read you the document in a second. He stated that the right to keep and bear arms is essential for protecting families, preserving freedoms, and maintaining all other rights enshrined in the constitution. This is why you guys put in the work. This is why you held the line for this moment right here. We have them. Let's get it. Alright. Quote. The second amendment has preserved the right of the American people to protect ourselves, our families, and our freedoms since the founding of our great nation.
The order reads, because it is the foundational to maintaining all other rights held by Americans, the right to keep and bear arms must not be infringed. The executive order and this is the this is some of the highlights that I'm gonna read right on screen with you. The executive order outlines a comprehensive plan to identify and rectify rectify any actions that may have undermined second amendment rights over the past four years. Oh, there's a few of them. Let's go. Review of executive actions. This is a big one. If you're just now getting in here, guys, pinch yourselves. You are awake. These are the executive orders that are pro two a. Send this everywhere. Alright. The attorney general is tasked with examining all orders, regulations, guidance, plans, international agreements, and other actions taken by federal agencies from January 2021 through January of twenty twenty five. The review will assess whether these actions infringed on the second amendment rights of law abiding citizens under the guise of promoting safety.
I'll save y'all some time. You don't need thirty days. They did. Let's keep going. Focus on firearms regulations. The order specifically directs the attorney general to review rules promulgated by the Department of Justice, including those by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives. Policies related to the enhanced regulatory enforcement.
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Yeah. You don't have to continue playing. I just wanted y'all to get an idea of what I was talking about with his overwhelming excitement over this that we're trying to preach to him, and none of them will listen. That I've been able to talk to anyway. One guy. There's one marksman, and I can't John or something up in Wisconsin. It's a a Minnesota somewhere up there. He was some sort of a real high end marksman too, and he prodded through ATF, found no resistance. And, but, boy, it's hard to get these guys' attention, but you just heard, man. Trump executive order, and he's beaten the band.
So, anyway, just wanted to bring out the difference. And, once again, Shelley, so these things that perplex me around this project and have for years, and they're just right there in front of you, that you cannot get these guys' attentions, that you don't need to deal with all of that crap. That I think they just don't believe you. We know why. Well, I Because I'm not sure I do know why, Paul, but there's certainly some suspicions.
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I know exactly why. Be because their business model depends on challenges too and protection of the second amendment.
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Well, in some instances, yes. But others, just old folks. You know? I don't Paul, it's just perplexed me. It's always will. I understand what you just said, but, boy, may it just shows you how deeply some of our folks are, are are are conditioned. So that was all my mind. Association?
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Do you do you think the the National Rifle Association and the gun owners of America are going to tell people, you don't need us anymore because all you have to be is a national, and they can't touch your gun.
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You would think if they're really in for freedom, they would say, look. We found this. The the the this takes away all the bars that we've been, encumbered by and gives us really a shot at freedom, but they don't want that. They they don't wanna give up. It's like Catherine Austin fits in the red button story. Same thing. So, anyway, any anybody in the audience got any, comments on that? Do we have an audience today? Anybody out there listening?
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Yes. Yeah. Listen. They're coming in.
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Okay.
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Well, my comment is it seems like that Trump is looking into right the wrongs of the ATF. So that's that's what it looks like to me. And I know that, you know, that's US citizens that have got tangled up in that mess. So I get that, but it seems like he's trying to go back and and review what the ATF has done to these people that potentially could be in jail, prison, and whether their regulations are constitutional or not. So on that side of the fence, that's a good thing. But we have the solution to stay out of that mess, and that's by being a national.
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Yep. Maybe one of these days, this information will get somebody like who's the black guy there in Austin that owns the firearms thing that took that case to the Supreme Court and won. Kath car Kathry Carthite. Do you know who I'm talking about? Cartwright. Think that might be it. Super sharp guy. K? And, yes, he's persevered and pushed some things through. He's the one that got that bump stock stuff overturned. That was their case. I think they got another one up there that they heard or might be on the slate now or whatever, but he's been very effective. There were there were rumors that, that Trump was gonna appoint him head of the ATF.
ATF is on the block, by the way. They're in the target list of mister one, mister Elon Musk and his team with big balls. I think big balls has gotten rehired. Oh, you saw that.
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Yeah.
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Well
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Do do we need to explain that, who Big Balls is?
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Well, I don't know. Is there anybody out there that doesn't know who Big Balls who has Big Balls?
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No. Who Apparently, Roger does. We've got the right now. Almost every day.
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I am. But we've got the biggest balls of them all.
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Yeah. Doctor Domingo. Yes.
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Is that Larry?
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Yes. Just wanna let you know. Hey. I'm not sure you're if you know about the abolish the ATF Act, which was introduced by so is he a senator or congressman Getz? Matt Getz?
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Gates. He's, he's he's one of your Florida reps. He's on the other end of the Panhandle there from you. And, down Pensacola, I believe, is his district part of Fort Walton. That's good. He's still he's in the house still.
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Yeah. So, 01/17/2023, he introduced HR three seven four, abolish the ATS act. Okay. And, there's a fellow by the name of Burlinson. He asked for unanimous consent that he may hear after be considered as the first sponsor. And you can read about that on on congress.gov. Yeah. But they are working a couple. Yeah. So that's interesting.
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It's but it definitely been mentioned as a target agency for Musk. I've heard that last couple of days. And, they're moving judiciously. You know, I hesitate to use the correct term for what they're doing, which is blitzkrieg, because the minute you tag them with that term, so they're gonna somebody's gonna bring Hitler up, you know? But they are blitzing. Hitler. Right. Yes. Isaiah. Where he they're zigzagging right through the agencies on and getting the baddies up there. So I never thought I'd see it in my lifetime, folks.
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So Hey,
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Yeah. Well, hey, Tom. They're the one who sent me that. And it's very interesting. See, that was an executive order with those whatever the other specific things were on it. But that started at, what, 2020 or 2021. I think you started in 2020 and went up through '20, '5, '24. And, an executive order, somebody could get elected after Trump and wipe that out. See? Anyway, hey, Tom.
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Hey, buddy. I don't know if anybody else saw it, but, supposedly, I don't know for a % fact, but looks like Elon Musk is gonna put five commercials on the Super Bowl listing all of them wasted money on on the USAID, place. That should be interesting. I hope it does because I do. Well, I do. Nancy Pelosi's name should be at the right top. They said it looks like they found a that she got a hundred and $48,000,000 from USAID. And, and they just started digging, you know, they just started digging the hole. You know, they got a little scoop out there. Now they're gonna bring in the bring in the backhoe and start digging.
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Well, I've seen two people. I want them interviewed. I I don't I think I saw his profile or him, but he was on Owen and Owen and Harrison, I believe. And then another guy that was on Alex from a different view. But what they're doing is artificial intelligence allows them to go in and work through the database and news stories and everything else of different, grants being, announced and all that stuff. And they can draw a three d like a CADCAM design of the origin of the money everywhere it goes to other distribution hubs or what what it is or what it was sent for and and then what other, nongovernmental agencies it went to, and they can map out and trace every penny.
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That's the thing. Did you hear about, Jerome Corsi?
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Yeah. I'm sorry. Jerome Corsi? They him and, him and some other math professor, they dug in and found that most all of the states election, databases have hidden the logarithms in it to be able to pull out to use duplicate or clones as he called them. Clones or dead people, as voters when they need it, and they've discovered and they're getting ready to file a couple of lawsuits. So they're you know, I don't know if AI had anything to do with that too, but Jerome Corsi was on, Greg Hunter, a few days ago, and they found all of these hidden logarithms built into the databases, and they've got it so sorted sorted in such a way that you it's very, very difficult, if not impossible, to detect these bastards, you know, and they're going after them. They think they're, like, 20 house and senate seats were stolen this election.
They didn't do it on the presidential election, but they did it on the house and senate. In the congress. Yep.
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And that's what yes. You may. Just a second, Sherry. That's what our, information exposes to the degree of sliminess these bastards will stoop to accomplish their goals. Now it's starting to come out all over the place, and that is that cascade of revelating truth is gonna continue and increase is my prediction. Yes. Miss Sherry, what do you have to add to our discussion?
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Have you heard about the new congressional budget office report that came out yesterday, I believe?
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Well, I'm Oh my goodness.
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Congress.
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Just this session. Oh, you're a Sherry. Sherry. Overmodulate. Am I loud?
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You're I'll loud.
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You're overmodulate. I'll whisper. I'll whisper. Oh,
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that's fine. That level right there is fine.
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Well, I'm whispering. It's that's very difficult for me. We can hear you. Yes. I So believe we've learned. This report came out yesterday, and the current session of congress has funded $514,000,000,000 to agencies or programs that are defunct, do not exist, and they've been doing this for decades.
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Well, the gate is up now. You know what they're doing? They're taking down any signs that say USAID, any directions there, those green direction signs and all that. They're taking down everything or blacking it out.
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Senior Roger.
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Yes. Who's that?
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There's a sketch. Two comments and a quick question. I hope you're doing well. The I guess there's a new saying. If my aunt had big balls,
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She'd be on she'd be on Musk's team?
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And, I I I I did read an article that Musk had, four, and they're autistic. I think Big Balls might be autistic, but they're whizzes. They're computer whizzes. And he has four four of them that are under 18
[00:31:52] Unknown:
going through the whole Big Balls is 26, but but when he was 16, he had a website with all kinds of sites underneath it stuff. He just like you said, one of these autistic, geniuses. I forget the word. Yep.
[00:32:09] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. On the spectrum that are very computer savvy. And, one last thing is I have a question, and that is, when the ATF agents take their oath, they don't swear to uphold the constitution if I'm not correct, if I'm not mistaken.
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You know, if that's true. I don't know. I've never heard that they that they don't, but if they if they do do it, they don't pay attention to it for the most part. So
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I think the word you're looking for is savant. Thank you.
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Yes. That was the word I was looking for. Thank you, Paul. Savantish kind of guys, big ball. Rain man. No doubt is one of them. Hello? Were you trying to chime in there?
[00:32:54] Unknown:
I'm sorry. This is Mark. Yeah. Rain Man. He was a Savant in the movie. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. Dustin Hoffman. Calculate like crazy. You know? But I do need need to make a quick correction, Robbie and Jack Group. Thank you. The gentleman from Central Texas Gun Works is Michael Cargill, c a r g I Thank you. L l.
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He's a very impressive guy. I mean, I'm every time I've ever seen him, yes. Thank you. I'm just, head over heels impressed with him, and I wish Trump would have appointed him to an ATF. That has shook the monkeys up.
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Yeah. Hey, Raj.
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Yes. Paul had a yes, sir?
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I don't know who Cargill is related to, but I think it's a pretty safe bet he's not related to the Cargills of Minnesota, the Green Kings.
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Probably not. Are they black?
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I have no idea.
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Oh, okay. Probably not.
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They are big males.
[00:33:56] Unknown:
Yeah. Big males. Well, Cargill's a sharp, sharp black guy. K? I think he's ex military. I'm sure he was a whiz bang in the military, but you you can see it in him. You know? With those military people that they really took to that, you can just see it even after they're out. You know, what's the deal? You can take the the boy out of the military, but you can't take the military out of the boy. Is that it?
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I think. So,
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Mark, has gotten all well on us and stuff, which were just tickled to death. Okay? Hell, I thought we're gonna have to administer your last rights or something there for a bit.
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Well, not
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not quite. Not not quite. So Alright. Well, it's good to know. And But I am turning into the incredible shrinking man. So
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Yes. Anyway
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Yeah. Well, I hopefully, you'll get healthier and feel better.
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And Oh, I already feel so much better.
[00:34:55] Unknown:
Oh, you you you hear your voice that day a couple of weeks ago you were on when you were I don't know if it hurt you to talk, but it sure hurt us to listen, for Right. You know? So, anyway, well, Mark reached out. He's gotten better, and he asked if he could come on the Saturday show and talk about some things he's been either thinking about or working on or both. And so I said, yeah. Hell yeah, man. I've been dying to get you back. And so, Mark, you wanna just take off and dribble here?
[00:35:27] Unknown:
Sure. Sure. Really, the thing I want to bring up is, you know, we've we've got lots of members. And at first, I kinda resisted this. They wanted to have me do their trust for them. And it's my book. I don't care what financial level you're at unless you're just almost destitute. But if you own any real estate or any kind of property, even if you're buying it, even if it's got a mortgage on it, you need to get that into a trust. And your vehicles need to be in their own separate individual trust to protect you and your primary trust. So, you know, people are reaching out to me. I've done trust for several years.
But there's been some, you know, concerns as far as the problem we ran into is is most individuals or couples, they don't they can't let me back up and say this. To have a bulletproof trust, in my opinion, you need a irrevocable trust. And to have an irrevocable
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trust Mhmm.
[00:36:38] Unknown:
You had to have a different you had to assign a trustee that wasn't you. And that created all kinds of problems. Well, I come across some research now that says it doesn't have to be done that way from a very respected, very respected and reputable attorney, Minnesota, and it's a game changer. And then the other thing too is the potential liability. You know, a lot of a lot of people go out here and get a trust from an attorney or another professional, but they don't teach them how to conduct their trust. It's just kinda like, here it is, you know, have a nice day and they charge you, you know, 1,500, 2 thousand or more, depending on how the complexity of your estate.
So with this latest information, and people's, you know, really needing help with trust, I decided, you know what, I'm gonna put together a private membership association. I'm gonna have some weekly meetings with questions and answers, and it's gonna be a training program, and I will personally help you customize a trust. Now, we can start I have a questionnaire that kinda will go through and ping your your thoughts on, oh, yeah. I've got this I've got this retirement fund over here, and I need to include that. Or I've got this over here. So I've got a a questionnaire that you can go through, and then I will I will help you together design that trust for you. Now, this isn't gonna be an overnight trust. It's gonna probably take you, I would say, three to four weeks to kinda map everything out the way you want your trust done.
And the reason why that takes time is is you may have certain things that you want done, like like my dad. He's he's got, his family home with my mom and he doesn't really wanna sell it. He wants to keep it in the family. So he's got that drawn up in a way that would keep his home under the control of the family and not just selling it off. So, you know, you can do things like that. And then there's other things too. If you have an irrevocable trust, you know, you think that, well, I can't change it. Well, that's not true. If if you wanna change it, you can put a, an addendum into your trust that says that it can't be changed unless by written approval by all beneficiaries.
So now if the beneficiaries because all trust is supposed to be operated with the fiduciary duty to take care of the beneficiaries' interest in the trust. But if all the beneficiaries are in agreement in writing and you add that to your trust documents, boom, you can change the trust. So anyway, with the liability and just everything potentially, I thought the best way to do this would be a private membership association. And people can join, and, we will walk them through a training program. They'll be a lifetime member, of course, and they'll help them with their their, trust. If they ever have any questions, we can cover that with them.
And so what I'm gonna do is, you know, normally, my trust without much support at all is at least 1,500, and most attorneys are charging 2,500 right now. So what I'm gonna do is for the first ten people, Rogers listeners, I'm going to charge $750 to become a member, and we're gonna do your trust documents. You're gonna get educated how trust work, how it's structured, what to do potentially in a in a court case if it ever gets challenged, and we'll be here for you. So, again, it it's for only 10 people. This is brand new. I wanna start with 10 people so we don't get overwhelmed. And it's $750.
Now, I'm I'm working on the website right now. We'll have our own separate, email. But for the time being, if you're interested in that, you can email me at mark, m a r k, at, sorry. Let me back up. Straw man. You can email me at straw man, s t r a w m a n, at mark, all caps, dot com. Now, it doesn't have to be capitalized. That was just my moniker when I first started coming on Roger's show, Mark all caps, and the straw man. So email me at strawman@markallcaps.com. Just like it sounds. And just in the subject line, just put trust or or trust club, and, I'll get you the information, and we'll get connected, and we'll make this happen. So really excited about that. It's, I kinda been holding back because just certain concerns, but I think well, I know with the private membership association, there's really not much we can cannot do.
And I'm excited about helping our members get a trust and get protected and do what they need to do. So that's it, Roger.
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Well, even if you are a national, and some people are in a situation where it's this real smart thing to do, you know. We first started trust started coming around in the nineties when I was first into this few years, and there was people who traveled all over the country charging, well, like Mark said, a lot of money. And, it's a interesting field. It's not exceedingly complex. It's just not a lot of people know about it, and it's easy to pull the wool over somebody's eyes, with with instruments, like this. I know we had a, a listener here recently, a couple months ago, who wanted Brent. So can Brent, can you point me towards, somebody, who could write me a trust?
And he said, well, I I can't do that. But what I want to do is point you to my course over there on my website, which goes over where you can do your own. Okay? Basically. But most people don't wanna do that. But he he said, here's the reason. If you don't understand the basics of the trust and you go pay somebody this 1,500 to $2,500. And what if they don't do the trust that you paid them for correctly? Would you ever know it? If you don't know the basics of the instrument, you wouldn't have any idea. And, those most of those people, they go down the road and hit a schedule, and then they're, here today. What's the old saying here today gone to Maui? Okay?
So, when you need to, some help on it, you can't find them. So anyway, I think it's a valid offering. And if you don't wanna do it yourself, you I think we've pretty well learned we can trust Mark. You know? We got somebody on the inside here that's practicing paralegal. I'm a paralegal too, but I just never practiced with anybody, you know, for ten years or more. And Mark's been around the patriot movement, and he knows these things and has had a pretty darn good amount of success, Mark.
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Well, thank you. I've I've actually been a a practicing paralegal for over twenty five years now.
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Oh, wow. Okay. That long. Okay.
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Yeah. Yeah. And then the other thing too is on on this type of trust that we're talking about, this is what we would call a common law trust. It's private. It does it's not registered with anybody. And when that time comes that the trust needs to be executed, where the instructions in the trust are handled by the trustee, then it's not shared with the public. It's all private. You don't have to go to the court. You don't have to go to probate court. You don't have to share anything with the county. So the public never gets to see what property you own.
If you go to probate court and you have, if you have a a will or don't have a will and you pass away, if you have any property like a real estate or cars or whatever, that can't just be transferred to somebody else. No. If you have a will or don't have a will, you're gonna end up going through through probate court. Okay. And most families are gonna have to hire an attorney and then all your property becomes public record. So, you know, to avoid all of that, you want to
[00:45:37] Unknown:
go sell it. The IRS is gonna come into play, and we just went through this with our family home when my mom died last year. Yep. And, I this is one of the things that I that really gave us problems, her on the side of understanding this information. And she did just didn't wanna face it. Until there, for the last few years in the Biden administration, she, started asking questions. I mean, well well, she shocked the pants off me one day when she said she'd been listening to Alex Jones. You know, evidently, the little radio station there in Panama City was carrying him. So she came around, but, we didn't go back and review the will that she'd written twenty years later earlier. You know?
And so, and you're right. What I was trying to do was to let her try and see what this was that we're up against and how you protect yourself like putting the house is free and clear and never had a mortgage on it. Not one day. Sixty something years. You know? And, it could have very easily been put in a trust and avoided the probate, the lawyer that to handle the will, all all all the crap, Ben. So it's just a smart thing to do. They're a very valuable vehicle. This is a common law trust that Mark's talking about. There's over my understanding, Mark, there's over a hundred different kinds of trusts. So they've all got little variances and all kinds of stuff, and that's why you really need to know. You need to know what you're doing or you need to be working with somebody that you know knows what they're doing. Who was trying to say something?
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That was from Springfort, Michigan.
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I'm sorry. Go ahead. Subject one. Hold on. I don't know. We're talking
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Oh, sorry.
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Oh, so, yeah, that I'm just your name? Michigan. Jimmy. Alright. Or we haven't talked to you before. I From Michigan. Okay. Well, have you been have you spoken with us? Okay. Sorry. My bad. I'm getting old. So what's your question? Been two or three years.
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Okay. What went into the subject line?
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Oh, Mark I must be lacking. Just just put trust or trust club. Just use the word trust, and, we'll that'll that'll catch my eyeballs a little quicker. You know, the other reason I'm I'm doing this is over the past, I don't know, six months, people have listened to this show and referred to me, where they've had problems with a a trust that they had. But somebody comp went in behind them and a family member, when the person was not in their right mind, the the the, grant or the settler, that's the person who creates the trust. They weren't in their right mind, and they've had family members go in and update the trust or redo a new trust that took over the old trust and made themselves the sole beneficiary.
And all the family members were cut out of valuable property that should have gone to them. And that's what their parents had intended on, but you had somebody who took advantage of the situation. And so it just breaks my heart to hear that because most of the time, I can't do anything about it, and it's gonna take a court fight. And this is why if you have an irrevocable trust, you're not gonna have a family member or an outsider sneak in and have your parent sign away all their property to somebody else because they weren't in their right mind. That will stop that immediately.
But it's gotta be irrevocable trust, and I've got the way to lock that down and protect it so that everybody knows what's going on, as far as inside the trust and protect everybody's interests.
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Now the state that has evidently become the leader in trust, maybe around the world, they're getting all kinds of worldwide business, Mark, is South Dakota. Do you know about this? No. I have not heard about that. No. Oh, South. Yeah. And it's been going on a couple of years. K. And so the, one of the reasons I heard about it was a case that they were talking about, and so many people are going to South Dakota and having this set up, but they had a loophole in the law. And, that if you change if a grantor was going to change trustees, they didn't have to notify the old trustee that they'd been replaced.
K? So there's a loophole up there. So the example was a guy and his wife that built some, you know, incredibly successful company, got a divorce. He put a trust and put her in as the trustee, I think, And then he got married to a new woman and switched it out and put the new wife in her place, but she didn't have to notify the first wife. So she went to do something with the trust, and she's locked out. And nobody ever gave her notice or told her. So there's a loophole in it up there. Don't know whether that was intentional or not, but it made the news here. Oh, a couple years ago.
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You know, one little change could have fixed that. If he would've put in current spouse who is presently in their name. You know? The current spouse instead of naming directly.
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I've heard of guys that call their spouse, my current spouse, just to keep her on her toes.
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Yeah.
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Ah,
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so, do you Johnny Carson?
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Was that Johnny Carson you said that? Might have been. Who's
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who's the other guy? By the time, buddy. We do you know about Louis Grizard? You ever heard of him?
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No. I don't think so.
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He was pretty famous, writer, sports writer, and comedian, wrote a couple of books and was on Johnny Carson, loved him. And he was funny as hell. And, he, he had he died early with heart. He had heart problems, unfortunately, but he used to say he said, I've got a car, a a bumper sticker on my car that says honk if you weren't married to Louis Grizzard.
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Oh my gosh. Hey, Roger.
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Yes. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Well, I got a really funny story about him, but it's sports oriented.
[00:52:22] Unknown:
And and and but I don't wanna maybe interrupt the flow if we got something important. Oh, no. It's okay. That's okay. I just I noticed that Sketch had his hand up earlier. He did? Sketch, if you still have something you wanna come online with, just unmute your microphone and let us know what what you had there. Sketch Sketch, you're sounding a little distant lately the last few times. Telling you way off of the background. Connected with you. What's going on? You got your speaker phone sick or something?
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No. He's not gonna come back. He's still, like, he's still muted.
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I'll give him a second here. And I and he lowered his hand, so I just wanna make sure we didn't skip over him. Alright.
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Well, let me tell you this Lewis Grizzard story. I heard him tell you. He's a real funny guy, man. The people in the Southeast, especially in Georgia, know who he was. So when he went to University of Georgia, he was a huge Bulldog fan. And so when he was at the university, he wrote for the Athens newspaper. K? He was a sports journalist. And, and so he told his roommate, he said, I I'm gonna sneak see if I can sneak a headline past the editor that'll get everybody's attention. So okay. Well, so the the game was, Georgia's rival, South Carolina.
And they usually used to play each other early in the season. And, Georgia had a all American lineman named, I'm not kidding you, this is true, Happy Dicks, okay, was his name. And he was injured, and he wasn't gonna be able to play. And so, they played the game in Georgia one, and the next morning, the headline read dogs beat cocks with dicks out. That's true story. That's a true story. Okay? Now South Carolina, they're the Gamecocks, if anybody They're the cock Gamecocks for those of you who might not know. So, anyway, a little off color, funny. It is Super Bowl weekend. Cut me a little slack.
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Let's see. Did they post? They wrote that. They let it fly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Got past the editor. Oh my gosh.
[00:54:45] Unknown:
Yeah. Lewis Grizzard. You could probably put that in YouTube and come up with something more. This guy was just hilarious.
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Come on, Sketch. Sketch was, unmuting his mic. I heard a little background noises.
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Alright. What'd you got, Sketch? Yep. Oh, we're just loud and clear now.
[00:55:06] Unknown:
Well, I'm sorry. I I'm sorry for that. Well, I asked Mark if, you know, if this trust is good and all of its states. Now Yes. It has different laws, and I'm wondering if, you'd have to look at the state laws to make sure that it was still good or it I mean, it's a strong
[00:55:28] Unknown:
If, Mark, can I answer if it was a statutory trust, you'd have to do that? But this is a common law trust, and I think it bars bars that. Right, Doug Mark? Exactly. Exactly. Except in Louisiana. Except in what do you do in Louisiana?
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You can't you can't have a trust in Louisiana. I can't you maybe you have one, but you can't set one up out here.
[00:55:52] Unknown:
Well, they don't have they don't recognize the common law. So, I I don't know. You know? I don't know who might have as as Ted Kennedy said, sketch, we'll drive off that bridge when we get to it.
[00:56:05] Unknown:
Okay. Sounds good. I'll drive off with you. Okay.
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No. No. You'll be with Mary Jo.
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Oh, I don't want
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no. That's no. She's got big balls. But thank you, Mark. And, I'll try and come up with some other good questions. I thought that was fair. Thank you, Scotch.
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No. Thank you.
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Gotcha. Alright. Yes, Paul. You gotta we don't have to Louisiana
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is a lot like yeah. We, yeah, we don't we don't have to do that. So the whistler's already been muted. It sounds like Louisiana is a lot like North Central New York. There's a a law firm in Remsen, New York, and it right. There's a sign right on the door. It says there is no law North of Remsen.
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It's a I have no idea what that means. So
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Wow.
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Uh-huh. Yeah. It's weird. Okay.
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Is that Boston territory?
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I'm I don't know. I hope I hope you're not having to feed them a reach hope you're not having to feed them a retainer, Paul.
[00:57:13] Unknown:
Schedule your needs back up, please.
[00:57:16] Unknown:
I have one more question.
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Oh, oh, you got a question?
[00:57:20] Unknown:
Yes. So a private trust is common law and a public trust is statutory
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trust. Right? Exactly. Yes. Okay. Thank you. I do. You're welcome.
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Yep. That's what makes ours so powerful, you know, because it's all private.
[00:57:38] Unknown:
I mean, I would've given anything. I would if my mother would've listened to me and put that house in trust, we could have avoided all that stuff. My brother still may have stolen the whole estate, which he'd ended up doing, but at least it wouldn't it say he could have stolen the attorney's fees too. You know? So, anyway, it's a it's a mess. It's a very, very wise thing to do with property. You heard Joe say when they were at he said, do you what about your car? He said it's in a trust. Okay. Boom. And moved on.
[00:58:10] Unknown:
Yeah. It's not yet. That's
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right. So, no, it's very wise asset planning. And, if any of you are interested, contact Mark and have any questions subsequently or whatever. But if you need it, this is a real good way to protect your assets.
[00:58:30] Unknown:
The Yeah. Just email the straw man. Straw man at bar call caps dot com. Just put trust or trust club. Just lead off with trust in your subject line, and, I'll I'll return your email. We're like I said, we're getting the website set up, and and we'll have a separate email address for all the members.
[00:58:49] Unknown:
Okay. You know, I got a question. You didn't, infect straw man, did you?
[00:58:54] Unknown:
No. No. But, he he's been been awfully lonely while I've been sick. So I'll bet. Now it's springtime.
[00:59:01] Unknown:
The other question I have is, is he susceptible to hay fever?
[00:59:07] Unknown:
No. But he does get little green sprouts here and there every once in a while. I see. So whatever's whatever's in the air tries to blossom on him or bloom on him. I see. Well, he's quite a character.
[00:59:18] Unknown:
Glad to have both of you back. Well, it's good. So, anybody anybody in the audience got anything you wanna bring up? Saturday? You wanna pawns your date on something? Straw man? Straw man doesn't suffer from hay fever. He's a carrier.
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No. That's true.
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Okay.
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Okay. So that is very true. Thank you for clarifying that, Paul. May I ask? Anybody yes, ma'am. You may. Look at one lady Linda's with us. What a treat. Yes, ma'am. Hi. It's me, Julie. Hi, Mark. Oh, I thought you're lady Linda. You you sounded like lady Linda. Hey. Go ahead, Julie. I'm sorry for stepping on you.
[00:59:59] Unknown:
Yeah. Thanks, Mark. Before you ever gave out your email, I had already emailed you and put trust, please. So I hope I'm in your group I hope I'm in your group, and thank you for coming on today. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm yeah. No problem. Yeah. I'm definitely interested. I I have some things that need to be put. So whenever you get that up, let us know how we pay you. Alright. Will do. Thank you. You're welcome. Julie, how you doing? How you doing with the program? I mean, I know you're a sharp gal, and you've really been studying. You feel like you've really got
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firm control of it, I would imagine, at this point. Correct?
[01:00:32] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm, more worried about taxes right now than anything because I know I'm out individually, but I'm not sure if I need to do, I'm not sure if I need to actually file taxes for my irrevocable trust that I have right now, which is a statutory one as well as my, s corp. That's what I'm working on this weekend.
[01:00:53] Unknown:
Well, typically, unless you have money flowing through your trust, it doesn't owe a tax.
[01:01:02] Unknown:
Yeah. I do have money I do have money flow flowing through the, irrevocable trust, but what I did was I paid myself a management fee for whatever income that generated. So I think I still probably need to file for the trust.
[01:01:18] Unknown:
Possibly. Yeah.
[01:01:20] Unknown:
Just to For the s corp.
[01:01:22] Unknown:
It it it depends if the if the trust actually generated taxable income or not. It did. Okay. Well, then, yeah, you'll probably have to file a separate, form for the trust.
[01:01:36] Unknown:
Right. I'm not sure about my house. Wouldn't if you're gonna take all the profits out as management fees,
[01:01:45] Unknown:
Julie? Yeah. That's what that's what I said. Pardon me? Yes, Mark?
[01:01:50] Unknown:
No. Go ahead, Roger. I had a a very important point. Go ahead.
[01:01:53] Unknown:
If you take all the profits
[01:01:56] Unknown:
as management fees, then wouldn't you have a zero return for it?
[01:02:02] Unknown:
Yep. That's what I was planning on doing. Oh, there you go. That's that's good. Alright. Well, that's the answer. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But I just wasn't sure about the s corp because I know that the LLC flow on your tax return, I wasn't sure about our s corp. I think probably I have to file for the s corp too, but I took the profits out of that too.
[01:02:21] Unknown:
Well, that's correct. So same thing with the s corp. It'll have to file. They may not have any taxable income because it went all straight to you. And then which, you know, gives you all the deductions for the LLC. This is normally why most people let me back up and talk about the standard structure first. Usually, you you you've been told, go get you an LLC. And sometimes you need that to do business to business. They won't do business with the individual. You're gonna have to have at least an LLC. You go to an accountant and and they've been trained to, oh, you got a LLC, you need a s corporation.
That's just standard practice. They don't know any differently. Right? So now you you any money that comes in and I'm not saying it's bad. I'm talking about for regular US citizens trying to get their tax bill as least as, you know, as low as possible, this is standard practice and there's nothing wrong with it. So all the money that comes into the LLC, it writes off all these tremendous deductions and get it gets all their expenses written off. Then the money left over typically goes to the owner or multiple owners of the LLC and when they receive that income it goes over into their individual tax returns.
That's the standard practice. But as a national, we don't even have to mess with any of that. You can revoke your s corporation standing with the IRS. You've got till March 15 to do it this year, so it cuts it off as of January 1. In other words, you can make it retroactive to 01/01/2025, but you must get your documents in by the March 15. Okay? From that point on, for the rest of 2025, after you revoke your s chapter corporation, all money will flow through the same LLC, through the same tax number, but directly to you as a national. And guess what?
Unless you're falling into the two sources of income or three sources of income, if you're dealing directly with the United States government, like if you have some kind of government contract, that's gonna be taxable income. If you get taxes from a domestic stock that you own, in other words, here's, x y z corporation. I bought their stock and this stock pays me dividends. So if you're getting paid dividends from corporate stocks that you personally own, you owe a tax on that. And if you own a bond, a corporate bond, not a US bond, not a government bond, those are tax free. But if you own a corporate bond and it pays you interest throughout the year, then you owe a tax on that. That's it.
So if you're running a business and you don't get sources of income from those three areas, you're good. Oh, one other one. I just ran across this. It's kinda surprising. One of your listeners, Roger, had worked for the, railroad company and they had a pension. So if you're getting money through a railroad pension plan, that's taxable. That's under section eight seventy one b as in bravo. Really? Eight seventy one b as in bravo. The rest of what I just explained was under section eight seventy seven b as in bravo. So very unusual. You don't hear too many people that worked with the railroad company, but they were given special tax status when, they were first getting started and they were getting people to work with the railroad company because that was a huge game changer as our country was being founded.
[01:06:16] Unknown:
Yes.
[01:06:17] Unknown:
So so, Mark, what happens if the, irrevocable trust generates, dividend, income and interest income and you basically take that, distribute that to myself as an individual or, use it as management fees to deduct off the irrevocable trust return so that the net income is zero,
[01:06:41] Unknown:
then are you still have do you still have to pay No. It's not a corp it's not a corporate bond and it's not a corporate stock. It doesn't fall in those two categories.
[01:06:51] Unknown:
So if you get, for corporate stocks and corporate bonds, if you do, like, capital gains on those, are those taxable at the individual national level as well?
[01:07:01] Unknown:
Okay. Only if listen very carefully, Julie. You if you see, not corporations issue stocks and bonds. Right? Right. But they issue different categories of stocks. But not all of their stocks pay a dividend. So if you bought stock from x y z company in that particular preferred stock pays you dividends throughout the year, those dividends are taxable because that that corporation is a US corporation. That money you're getting is is seen as coming through a source of US income. Okay. The the the that big corporation who's on the Wall Street Stock Exchange is considered somewhat owned by The US as a source of US income and they and they tax you on it as a national.
So if you own individual corporate stock that pays you dividends throughout the year, that's taxable. But if you have a trust, it doesn't matter unless that trust issues some kind of stock and you're getting dividends off that stock. But even then, that trust is not not has not been approved by the US government. There's no US government oversight on how those stocks are done or membership, what do you call them? I lost my train of thought real quick. Certificates. So you can have membership certificates inside of a LLC. Not really a trust that I'm aware of. It depends on the type of trust.
But in our type of trust, really shouldn't we shouldn't be flowing money through the trust. Money should come into the trust to maintain the trust. But it doesn't go out to pay other people other than maybe a trustee for management fees, which is which is natural. But again, not taxable if you're a national. So really, you you can you can just write off all your other scenarios because I've given you the the scenarios
[01:09:10] Unknown:
that would be taxable as a national, and that's it. That is it. Hey, Mark. What do you say then? Hope that helps. And then Mark, so the last thing that you said you have to file by March 15, an s corp. You have to file a revocation.
[01:09:26] Unknown:
Right. Your revocation if you wanna get your your s corp canceled this year and have it count as being 01/01/2025, you must get your revocation of your subchapter s corporation filed with the IRS before March 15.
[01:09:46] Unknown:
Okay. Is there a form on the IRS site I would use for that then?
[01:09:50] Unknown:
Not a form that got a guideline. I've got a form I can send you. So
[01:09:55] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you, Mark. You're welcome. Thank you very much. Would you My pleasure. Wouldn't it be correct to say that a trust is not necessarily a business vehicle? It's a property vehicle. It is a business vehicle also.
[01:10:10] Unknown:
No. No. It I would not recommend using a trust as a business. Okay. That's what I thought. A trust is a property vehicle. It's for holding property, period. Correct. Holding property. Now money can go into the trust, but it's only to maintain the trust. In other words, let's say you got a home and it's in a trust. In other words, the name is gonna be, you know, registered with the the county. Your property taxes are gonna say, because you're gonna transfer title from your name, even if it's under a mortgage. You transfer into the name of your trust, you file a quitclaim deed with your county to put the property into that trust. Otherwise, you're kinda sitting there unprotected.
Well, you know, I take that back. There are people that will sit there and hold a quick claim. It's already notarized, and it may have a back date on it, but it is official. You don't necessarily have to file it. But if you pay the taxes, those taxes need to be paid by the trust and in the trust name. And I lost my train of thought there, but money going in oh, here we go. Money going into the trust should be to help maintain that property. So you might have, maintenance on the home. You got, you got your property taxes, things like that. You wanna have a bank account that's on that is set up just for that trust and many money that goes in, and it could be by anybody.
Again, it written into your trust documents. It could be the grantors. It could be the beneficiaries. They're responsible for funding the trust and making sure the trust has money to maintain and take care of the property in the fiduciary interest of Uh-huh. The beneficiaries who are gonna be the heirs of your estate.
[01:12:07] Unknown:
Well, it seems like since they're gonna receive the house and, in essence, halfway own it already, that things like a new roof or, any of those types of things that they would be wanna pay for.
[01:12:21] Unknown:
Insurance. Maintaining insurance is the biggie. Right. Okay. You want you want your you want your trust and your insurance to be underneath the trust name.
[01:12:30] Unknown:
Yeah. Okay. Cool.
[01:12:34] Unknown:
So, again, if something happens to you, there's not like, well, you know, mom and dad was taking care of this, and it's all in their name, and dah dah dah dah. No. It's it's all inside the trust, insurance, property taxes at least. Utilities could be still paid by the grantors. But but the main things that need to, you know, be inside of there would be, you know, property taxes and insurance. And I'm sure there's could be some other ones I'm not aware of at this moment, but, those are the two primary things that you want maintained in the name of the trust.
Mhmm. And so now if mom and dad, they they, for whatever reason, are unable to take care of that, then the the the beneficiaries need to step up and take care of that. Okay. And that's where the money goes into the bank account. That's where the money goes into the bank account under the name of the trust. And that's a fully funded trust.
[01:13:28] Unknown:
I see. Anybody else got any well, there's two or three right there. Yes. There's Yeah. Guy and a gal. Right? Was that Samuel? Is that you? Alright. I'm a good lady. Yeah. Oh, Samuel, hold on. You're gonna defer to lady Linda. Yes, ma'am. Okay. Yeah. I'll make greet everyone. Greetings, everyone. Lady Linda Louise. Max, have you found that the irrevocable
[01:13:51] Unknown:
trust bank account is an easy, one to acquire?
[01:13:56] Unknown:
And Oh, yeah. You do
[01:13:58] Unknown:
Yeah. It's a problem. You How do you find it easy to acquire? Do you use,
[01:14:04] Unknown:
what kind of EIN number do you use? Yeah. You you you your trust will sign up for a tax identification number for for this. Now there's certain trust you may hold property that don't need a tax. There's not gonna be a bank account. But for our trust purposes, we're dealing with real estate and assets like automobiles, motorcycles, boats, things that are registered with the state, including your real estate, then yes, you need a tax identification number for your trust. You, you have a one page authorization from the trust to open up a bank account. Now they don't get to see your trust documents. Again, these are private.
So there's ways that that you can set up you create the authorization from the trust to open up a bank account, and that's part of your trust documents. So now the trustee can walk in and open up a bank account, which will actually be upfront will be the the people who created the trust. They're gonna be the initial trustees, and they're gonna have the document needed and tax identification number to walk in to a bank and open up a trust account. Not hard at all.
[01:15:21] Unknown:
And so these, banks don't want to see the trust documents?
[01:15:26] Unknown:
No. And they're not you can't you can't it's a private trust. They don't get to see them.
[01:15:31] Unknown:
Right. So
[01:15:33] Unknown:
You okay. You can get a document. You can get a you can get a signed notarized document authorizing the person to go in and open up the trust account. And with the tax identification number, it is not a problem.
[01:15:50] Unknown:
Okay.
[01:15:51] Unknown:
If they demand to see your if they demand to see your trust documents, you're at the wrong bank.
[01:15:57] Unknown:
Okay. Because that that has been the snafu for many people with, Common Law Trust getting that bank account. But maybe you have
[01:16:08] Unknown:
information that Same thing with registering a car. I bring a one page document that says I'm authorized to do that in the name of the trust, and I I register the automobile inside the name of that trust. And and it may vary. You may have to contact your, you know, your your state DMV or whoever you register your cars with in Oklahoma. We have tag agencies. And I just ask them, hey. I'm I'm putting this car into a trust. What do you need from me? And they'll tell you. And and but if if they're saying we gotta see your trust documents, they don't get to rifle or make copies of my trust documents.
They can make a copy of the document I bring in that authorizes me to transfer this into the trust. But think about it on automobile, you know, you got a title to your automobile, or I should say a color of a title to your automobile. Certificate of title, not the actual title. But it has the the owner and the and the the buyer. Right? So you sign off. And, again, this varies, like, from Nevada. It's very different than Oklahoma. But, typically, I'll just give you an Oklahoma. The whoever currently owns the vehicle transfers, signs off, and transfers the title to whoever the buyer is, which would be your trust, and it's notarized in Oklahoma.
And so you walk into your your tag agency in Oklahoma, and you show them your one page document, you know, certifying that you have a trust and, a tax number, and they transfer it. But they have the requirements. This is not like something new. All all your agencies that handle transfer of title will have a list of what you need to transfer whatever into a trust. And once you have that list, then you just provide what they need and it goes smoothly.
[01:18:09] Unknown:
Thank you, Mark, for that clarification.
[01:18:12] Unknown:
You're welcome, lady Linda. My pleasure. Yep. Hi, Linda.
[01:18:16] Unknown:
Thank you, Linda. Samuel.
[01:18:18] Unknown:
Yeah. Thank you. Mark, I I have a different view of this. I hope you don't take it as a an attack on what you wanna do. I I think that what you're doing is probably sufficient for certain people here. I take a different look at it. You know, if you look at the history of trusts, the common man in this country prior to the civil war didn't believe in them because Christianity doesn't want you to waive liability, and they stuck in the common law, which when it comes to land, would cover things like, a breach of contract, negligence and fraud.
And the problem with trust is they're all in equity. And we don't see equity in this country until after the first ten amendments to the constitution. Those are in common law, and everything thereafter is in equity. And if you're gonna have an adjudication in a court, it's going to be in equity. Let me read you a little thing that AI gave me on beneficiaries. Beneficiaries have no right at common law to have the terms of the trust enforced, but the court will require the trustee to carry out those terms to prevent a wrong against the beneficiary. Now you're going to have to go into what say say like myself I I do not want to be in equity. My land patent paperwork says this document will not suffer any disabilities in equity and it's doing that for a reason because it doesn't want them adjudicated in an accord of equity because it's in common law, not even at, it's in.
If if I have an as a national, I am in the common law. I'm not at the common law. I am in it. And if the way I would approach it, Mark, is and this is what I'm trying to do and write the paperwork for right now, and I wish you would exercise it as well because you have a great mind for legal manners, and that is taking my inheritance as a national and a Christian through Jesus Christ to attain a laudial right. And there is no such thing as title. We say that allodial title all this time. That is very much a man made term.
Allodial is really outside of, it's still the unwritten common law is what Allodial right is. When you start saying title, you're entering that commercial state of that they've created all around us. And that's the only caution that I have, is if we're truly gonna be nationals, yet we play with equity, are we not serving two masters? I I guess that's pretty much what I got to say.
[01:21:27] Unknown:
Well, you know, I appreciate that. And I'm not saying that you're wrong at all. I just know we live in a very litigious world. And in my book, one of the ways to protect my property that is most commonly known is a trust.
[01:21:44] Unknown:
Matter of fact that.
[01:21:46] Unknown:
Yeah. You have Joe Lustica that they wanted to take his car. And then when it come to light after he, you know, kicked in a filed his quote, Oronto, when they found out, well, you know, your this car wasn't even in my name. It's in a trust name. Oh, shoot. We shouldn't have taken your car because it's not your car. It's the trust car. So the the public is more more knowledgeable of how the protection of trust. And I do believe you're probably right on the right track, Samuel. It's just that that within our litigious society, you know, people don't know how to stay out of equity or operate in equity. And, that's one of my next things I'm getting ready to learn is go through a a course on on equity jurisdiction.
Because I've got friends who are having tremendous results in using equity, but it's, it's very difficult to stay inside of that level of equity, and most attorneys don't know anything about it. But I just know that that a regular trust, a common law trust, even like what we're talking about, it can be defended by most anybody because it's more commonly known and understood. And then the as far as being liable, and I know your concerns about, you know, making yourself or your collection proof, but the way I look at it is you don't get justice in court anymore.
And I would hope if you're a Christian and you harm somebody, or you damage your property, that you will do the Christian thing and do everything you can to pay for those damages. But I also know that it may not be your fault. And if you get sued and you go to court and you're found, or you get a judgment against you because of whatever damages you might have caused, then if if if it's a, a bad judgment, in other words, you weren't really guilty of what they're saying you were. I shouldn't say guilty because that's criminal. But if if you didn't do what they said you did and you're not liable, then this gives you the protection to decide whether you want to pay for whatever damages or if you get a bad judgment against you where you you didn't cause any harm, then your property is protected.
But if if you don't have it that way, I think it's gonna be more difficult to defend in in the the way that you're talking about. Because I couldn't even probably hire an attorney to protect me at common law, unless you could find somebody like maybe Brent Winters that that could do that. And I know right now, he's so busy. Well, they say he's busier than a long tail cat in a room full of rocking chairs.
[01:24:37] Unknown:
So
[01:24:38] Unknown:
so I just I just find that the the trust that I'm, you know, talking about is more commonly known and easier to defend. High yield. Yeah. Yes. Merck, I wanted to say something to him, Merck. You sound you sound a bit better?
[01:24:53] Unknown:
Yep. I am. I'm feeling better now. I wanted to share that, what what, Samuel just explained is something that we should really think about. We are becoming and removing ourselves out of The US system as a US citizen, being a public citizen. We are now in the private. And I completely agree with what he said just because I was Oh, your your your phone's met, Merca. Your phone's messing up. My phone, the it's, like, static. Can't hear it. And now it's better, I think. Yeah. Okay. Samuel was saying that, you know, we are bringing ourselves back into that system, and we need to pull ourselves out of that system.
And I I hear people using, and it's it's hard to get away from that because sometimes we have to use these EIN numbers, but they are still part of The United States. You know, you're still using their tools. And there's ways of doing things in the private with your affidavit and your lawful legal notices. And but you just need to learn how to do it and learn how to how to do that. You know, do the research, do, you know, educate yourself. How do you live privately as a private individual without having to use their tools? That's what we're trying to remove ourselves and detox as much as possible.
So I just keep hearing, using the EIN, it's hard, you know, for me to even think that, you know, yes, it's still part of us because, you know, some of us do need to use it. But how what can we learn that will keep you in the private instead of mingling with The US system?
[01:26:49] Unknown:
What we're trying to You make sure the checking account's a noninterest bearing account. That'll give you another layer.
[01:26:57] Unknown:
Yep. Right. Exactly. And and you like, when we do our notices, we are telling them that we are not a public citizen. We are not a federal citizen, and we are in the private. So we need to carry ourselves that way. Well,
[01:27:14] Unknown:
that's me. That. So But but you're still part of the country. Alright. Well, then you're still part of the country, and that doesn't mean you can't use their systems. Or if you do use your system, I've in my interpretation on something like this, it's no foul, that I see. Right. Okay? But will you you've people take it as pure as you want to. Okay? Right. Yeah. You I see no harm, no foul. People to learn,
[01:27:42] Unknown:
you know, more about being private and being in the common law and learning how to do your own paperwork documents because that's what's gonna that's what's gonna protect you. You need to learn how to defend yourself.
[01:27:55] Unknown:
You know? Well, that's what this is about.
[01:27:57] Unknown:
Internalize that private private individual that that we are now as a national.
[01:28:03] Unknown:
All all this is about being able to have you able to defend your position if it's ever challenged. K? And fortunately for us, it's hardly ever, if ever, challenged. That I can remember over a long number of years. Yes. Who had the question right there?
[01:28:25] Unknown:
Hey. Hi. This is Wayne down in Texas. Hey, Wayne. Hey, buddy. Yeah. Hey. Great presentation by Mark. And, one question that popped in my mind is, Mark, is, how does your style of common law trust compare or contrast to a living trust? Have you studied living trust much?
[01:28:44] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. A living trust, really, the difference is is that it's revocable and it could be changed by the grantors, which is the creators of the trust, who are also also usually the trustees. They could totally scrap that trust and start over if they want. So there's a big difference in in irrevocable trust, which is a a family trust, typically is what they are. Then they also can be attacked rather easily by government agencies. So they they do what's called bust the trust. So, you know, it it actually, all trust can be attacked by government agencies and the the famous case that I rely on a lot on is Enray Baum, it's b a u m, and it's out of the tenth circuit court of appeals, and they put together an express private trust, and there's six elements that you gotta meet.
And a US Bankruptcy Trustee was attempting to bust the trust of this gentleman, and there was some question of whether the trust was actually handled properly because the, I think the trustee was taking money out of the trust, kinda like a loan and then he paid it back and really nothing in the trust documents would allow that. But then the judge goes, but nonetheless, he meets these six the trust meets these six elements, and he told the trustee, the US Bankruptcy Trustee, you cannot bust this trust. So I the the the family trust is gonna be revocable, and it's easier to break.
[01:30:33] Unknown:
Mark, where's the tenth circuit? Oh, tenth circuit's
[01:30:36] Unknown:
tenth circuit's Denver. Okay. My bad. Yes. That's correct.
[01:30:41] Unknown:
Yep. But those same principles apply. You're gonna see that applying almost all the across the state. By the way, Louisiana does recognize irrevocable trust. Really? Just look that up while we're chatting. Yeah. Okay.
[01:30:56] Unknown:
Well, that's pretty
[01:30:57] Unknown:
If I if I may, I this is out of the book of the hundreds. It's page one seventeen. It's under Patriot Mythology. They're saying here and it remember, this is a very, Christian point of view, and these are the people that would have you do your allodial, right through Jesus Christ. So take so when I read this, you understand where they're coming from. K. Says here that the UBO trust, better known as the common law trust, never existed in common law. Trust like all other instruments that create a commercial fiction are and have always been repugnant to the truth.
The information on trust being so so numerous, I'll try to keep it simple. First, a trust carries with it an equitable duty, a benefit, commodity, and limited liability. Second, a trust reduces your legal title in property to an equitable title. That's why my land patent says this will not suffer any disabilities in equity, thereby entering that property into commercial activity. An equitable title cannot be defended in a court at law or with a non statutory abatement. Third, when receiving the benefit as the beneficiary of the trust from the trustee, the beneficiary surrenders a legal right and joins the secular commercial world on record to wit.
It gives you a trust beneficiary, A person named in a trust as one whom a party to the account is named as trustee. Uniform pro uniform probate code six dash one zero one. And then it gives definition of person. Person in that realm. The person for those for for whose benefit property is held in trust. Restatement second trust three. Anyway, this is this problem is is you're anything you're gonna deal with from there forward or you have a claim, you're gonna end up in their courts of equity. And
[01:33:32] Unknown:
they basically replaced the common law courts. So Well, I respectfully disagree because what you just described is a statutory trust. First thing they say, what was that, Croaks, what you quoted, they talked about a fiction, like an entity. Well, that this is a statutory trust because our private trust is not an entity. Trust in general is not a fictitious entity, and you cannot sue a trust because it's a relationship. And the courts have said that over and over again. Trusts are relationship. They're not a fictitious entity like a corporation or an LLC or similar.
They're a relationship between parties, and you got the creator of the trust, you got the trustee, and the beneficiaries. Okay? Now you could sue them individually. That trust beneficiary
[01:34:27] Unknown:
is a person.
[01:34:28] Unknown:
Excuse me. Samuel, let him finish, please.
[01:34:31] Unknown:
So you can sue the the trustee if they're violating the fiduciary duties. You can sue the creator of the trust. You can sue the beneficiaries. But there's no such thing as suing or representing the actual trust because it's not an entity as as you spoke. And then the other thing, you talked about going to court. Our our our trust are private. They do not go to probate court, and you reference going to probate court. That is that is, that is showing that this is a statutory trust that you're talking about. Ours is private. The trustee sits down with the beneficiaries when the trust is supposed to be executed, which is typically upon the death of the of the creators.
So usually you have one spouse dies, the next spouse dies, and now that triggers the execution of the trust. It's written in your trust documents, and the trustee must execute the trust. You have a private meeting, and the trustee goes over with the beneficiaries of how the trust is gonna be executed, how the property is gonna be handled, and so forth. And it's all above board, but it's completely private between those individuals, high yield.
[01:35:57] Unknown:
Mark, I don't think it said entity in there. I think it basically said commercial fiction. There you go. Same thing. And it and it ties it to a person. And a person, it it tells you what a person is here, you know? Okay. I just explained
[01:36:11] Unknown:
that the private trust that I'm talking about is not a commercial fiction. And it does not go to probate court. Because in your description that you're reading there, it talks about probate court. That is a statutory trust that attorneys like to do because now they gotta represent you in probate court. And I'm not and I'm not disagreeing with what you read, but I'm saying the trust that I'm talking about, I wasn't able to put together
[01:36:40] Unknown:
his prior. Okay. Yeah. And his or now Samuel remember what he's gonna do is behind the PNA walls also.
[01:36:49] Unknown:
Well, that's just keeping our our our members private and and our discussions private. So, you know, I think it's the best way to handle it.
[01:37:00] Unknown:
Question. What there's I think the key thing that they're saying here, because this is all about the non statutory abatement, is that anything that's inequity cannot be defended in a court of law.
[01:37:12] Unknown:
I would disagree with that.
[01:37:15] Unknown:
Okay.
[01:37:16] Unknown:
We got people who are doing it. We got people that are coming into equity and winning in court.
[01:37:23] Unknown:
And it's not do to your national status, though? Nothing.
[01:37:27] Unknown:
It has nothing to do with national status. We got we got nationals and non nationals going into court, operating in equity, and they're winning. And it's it's my next my next level of knowledge and my learning is gonna be exactly that. I've sat down with the national, who is, him and other non nationals are winning in court. You know who they're winning the easiest with? The IRS. And IRS comes knocking on their door. They're using equity to handle the matter. So this is my next level of knowledge. So and I feel like it perfectly dovetails with us because our primary thing that we get hit with is the IRS. They only slap you with fines and penalties. And just in the event, I don't think it'll ever happen, but who knows? Just in the event, they try to go after somebody, one of our nationals, and the IRS comes back and says, oh, well, all this tax refunds you got, well, you shouldn't have got those.
Well, we're gonna use equity to take care of that. So I understand and I know that when you walk into court, you're it's presumed, I've read many court cases on this. It's presumed that you're walking into a court of equity. And that's where we that's where we end up losing because the judge has all kinds of of, way of Well, they wear a bunch of different hats. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So anyway, we don't know that. We walk in thinking we're gonna get justice. We think we're in common law, but we're not. When you walk into court, you're you're you're it's presumed upfront initially that you're walking into a court of equity. And if you don't change that, if you disagree with that, but you don't say nothing, you know, it's it's a slippery slope to losing.
So I I hear what you're saying, and I don't disagree with you. It's just that I'm talking about something different, and I'm talking about a private trust that is not a statutory trust.
[01:39:31] Unknown:
Okay. Fair enough, Mark. I just wanted to bring up the difference in, point of view, and it's nice to have a discussion with you.
[01:39:41] Unknown:
And it's and I'm not saying you're wrong, Samuel. That's valid. My problem is is we're dealing with a bunch of snakes who are not Christians and not honorable. We're trying to be honorable and they, you know, they'll eat us alive if we really don't have a handle on what we're doing.
[01:39:58] Unknown:
Yep.
[01:39:59] Unknown:
There was somebody who was trying to get in there a second ago. Who was that? Samuel? Yes. Just a second. Samuel, your points are very well taken, and I appreciate that.
[01:40:08] Unknown:
Yep. Yes.
[01:40:10] Unknown:
Is that Yes, sir. Thank thank you for, doing this today. So No. You're welcome. In a in a common law, trust, the only people you have to notify after the death are the the people that are involved with the trust. Is that correct? There's no The beneficiaries.
[01:40:29] Unknown:
Right. The beneficiaries and the trustee. You know, hopefully, the trustee would would have a close enough relationship with the the creators of the trust and to know what, you know, what trips the trigger to make sure the trust is executed.
[01:40:48] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you. And I have one, since you brought the IRS up again, I've been wanting to ask this question for a while. So if you're a stock owner of a business and you get dividends and those are taxed, but you are a owner of that company in essence. Right?
[01:41:08] Unknown:
Well well, yes. But we're only talking when you talk about stocks, that may be like, your own little corporation or even a subchapter s corporation. We're talking about a mega corporation that's registered on the stock exchange.
[01:41:24] Unknown:
Understood. Understood. So
[01:41:26] Unknown:
yeah. And and then what I'm I'm going well, if you're a stock owner and you own the company in essence, right, because you're a you're a shareholder, and the corporation gets taxed and you get taxed as a shareholder, is that isn't that, in a way, double taxation?
[01:41:46] Unknown:
Well, it's on different amounts though. The corporation is gonna get taxed on whatever is taxable. Whatever flows through to the shareholder, that's gonna be separately taxed. You should not be getting double taxed because the corporation's gonna write off everything it can. What's left over is gonna go to the shareholder, and those are two separate amounts that are being taxed. Okay. Corporations
[01:42:13] Unknown:
don't pay corporations don't pay taxes anyway. They just raise the price of the good service.
[01:42:21] Unknown:
Sure. Sure. It all it's all written off. That's what corporations are all about, is write offs. They're writing off everything they can. Yep. Yeah.
[01:42:30] Unknown:
Yep. And limited liability. You remember what George Gordon said? You you ever told you that, Mark? George Gordon said, I hate I hate insurance, and I hate limited liability. I want personal responsibility. And if I harm you and I can't make you whole, you can drill a hole in my ear, and I'll be your slave.
[01:42:55] Unknown:
Yep. Yep.
[01:42:57] Unknown:
Roger.
[01:42:59] Unknown:
Well, there's Larry.
[01:43:01] Unknown:
Yeah. Thank you. I was wondering if, Mark can explain this, private trust that he's, advocating for. Is that is that the same as a common law trust?
[01:43:16] Unknown:
You could say that because it's not a statutory trust. I would call it a common law private trust, and it stays out of the public completely.
[01:43:28] Unknown:
So, why do you think, most of the trusts out there are, like statutory trust? Is it because that's what the attorneys have been trained to do? And because it sounds like if more people, even U. S. Citizens were aware of private trusts, they would be putting their property in a private trust. Is that correct?
[01:43:52] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. I would agree with that. The it's to the attorney's best interest to make it along the lines of the statutory trust because when the when the the spouses, when they pass away, then they're going to be called on for their services. So it's, like a lot of attorneys will give away for next to nothing, if you want to write a will, you know, a hundred bucks, we'll we'll write you a will because they know when that's executed, then your family's gonna call that attorney because this thing's gonna be on your will, and they're gonna take you into probate, and they're gonna have to hire the attorney or a attorney to go into probate court.
So there's a a self interest in doing statutory trust for the system. Between the courts and the attorneys, there's a there's a self interest in promoting and using statutory trust.
[01:44:47] Unknown:
And another thing is I've heard that, most of your like congressmen and senators, they they have enough sense to utilize private trusts as opposed to statutory trusts And I think, like, what what Roger always talks about, we'll we'll get to that bridge when we run over it or drop into it or whatever about the the lady that Kennedy killed.
[01:45:11] Unknown:
Right.
[01:45:12] Unknown:
Mary Mary Jo Kopechnick.
[01:45:16] Unknown:
Right. Roger, isn't wasn't she, or wasn't his trust a private trust?
[01:45:23] Unknown:
And I'm I'm pretty sure he's a fan of both. I think I think the Kennedys have all that stuff in private trust, but I don't I don't have any way of knowing, Larry.
[01:45:33] Unknown:
Oh, I promise you it's in a private trust. Now it may be it may be managed by their attorneys because they're wealthy enough to have, like, you know, full onboard, you know, monthly retainer attorneys that are there whenever they need them. But I can promise you that that would be a trust. And I promise you that the the millionaires out there that that have these types of estates, they're very well aware of the difference between a private trust and a public statutory trust.
[01:46:04] Unknown:
By the way, Mary Jo, I have heard was pregnant, but don't know for
[01:46:13] Unknown:
sure. I got one last question, Mark.
[01:46:16] Unknown:
Yep. Go ahead, Scott.
[01:46:19] Unknown:
So let's say just for I know we don't like, hypotheticals, but so you go to a lawyer. Okay? And, he's doing a statutory trust. And you ask him, is this a private trust or is this a public trust? And he tells you that it is a private one and it is actually statutory. Is there any plausible deniability that he has?
[01:46:50] Unknown:
Not well, yeah. He has plausible if he just says that verbally to you, Sketch Right. And you don't record it, then he's got all the plausibility in the world. If you have a witness? Then they could fill out an affidavit, and you could fill out an affidavit. That's not what he said, but I would and when I'm talking to anybody, and I say this to anybody who who I talk with, is I want you to record it, you know, just for memory purposes. And if nothing else, you draw up in a you draw up what I call a a state a memorial statement that says, you know, dear so and so, on this date, we discussed this, and you said that.
And if you disagree, let me know. Now I memorialized our conversation, and I'm confirming that they told me that this is a private trust, and it should not go into the court system. Right. That's that's another level of security.
[01:47:47] Unknown:
Yep. I agree. And, they are equivitators. I can Yep. Say that.
[01:47:55] Unknown:
You're well. You see, it we're such a habit of dealing over the phone, and especially when it comes to something legal. Now, you know, if your friend calls up, no big deal. But if I'm getting a call about, you know, some kind of business, taxes, insurance, whatever, I want that call reported. I'm gonna report it. Period. Right? And, that that allows me to go back and take my notes and and be able to draft information so that in the future, if there's any question, then we know what transpired. I yield. Thank you.
[01:48:32] Unknown:
I have a question.
[01:48:34] Unknown:
Roger. Okay?
[01:48:35] Unknown:
Hold on, Larry. There was somebody else before you. Yes, sir? Yeah. That's
[01:48:40] Unknown:
it's me, Dan. How you doing? Roger Dan from Longmeadow.
[01:48:43] Unknown:
Oh, hi, Dan.
[01:48:44] Unknown:
Mark, it's good to hear you. Good to hear you too, Mark, and thank you very much. So, I've been looking at trust for a long, long time, and I keep looking at it, and I keep getting stopped at the gate because the rules seem to state very clearly, even on the concise and trusty handbook by the wise concise trusty handbook, that one per one living man or woman cannot be all three. And I keep wondering what is and even if we can,
[01:49:16] Unknown:
like, what position is That's correct, Daniel.
[01:49:21] Unknown:
So what position
[01:49:23] Unknown:
what position is I don't wanna be the trustee. The trustee is the person that they that they take into court and and and and lay levy fines upon. You know what I'm saying? They put us in a quasi trustee position when they all that. So I would like to be the beneficiary, but I just I don't know who to trust as a trustee.
[01:49:43] Unknown:
If you own the property already, you're already the beneficiary. So we're putting our property over into a relationship between three parties. One is the creator of the trust, which is commonly referred to as a grantor or a settlor, s e t t l o r. And then you've got a trustee, and you have, secondary trustees, and then the first trustee can't, can't, execute the trust for whatever reason, and then they pass away. So you have substitute trustees that will take their place and you have a method of them being selected.
So
[01:50:25] Unknown:
and then I don't know who to trust. That's the problem. Who do I trust with my with my Well title to my house for instance? The Okay. You know what I'm saying? Slow down. Slow down, Dan. Slow down. I'm trying to explain this to you.
[01:50:39] Unknown:
Okay? So you can be the trustee, but you can't be the creator, the trustee, and the beneficiary. It cannot happen that way. There's no relationship between the parties because you're everything. And just like you said from the wise group, you cannot be all three parties. You can be the creator of the trust and the trustee, and then you gotta have separate beneficiaries that could be individuals, churches, anybody you wanna name as a beneficiary, you can name them. And then when, typically, when the creator of the trust passes away, the trustee has a very strong fiduciary duty to execute the trust.
Okay? And the and the beneficiaries are the ones receiving whatever's inside the trust. Could be property, could be money, could be jewelry, real estate, cars, boats, motor homes, whatever. The trust explains how they want that property treated. It may be the trustee sells all the property and the money is divided up between the beneficiaries. Or a certain percentage goes to this beneficiary. Another percentage goes to another beneficiary. So but but you can't be all three. And if you want and what I recommend for my students is if you're going to you need a alternative trustee and a way for them to be selected if the if the creators have been have passed away and the trustee for whatever reason cannot execute their duties, they could die, they could have a medical disability, whatever.
The beneficiaries all agree we want this individual to be the new trustee. And in writing, all beneficiaries say yes. That could be a pastor of a church. I know people who have done that as an alternative. They say, oh, well we all trust this pastor of a church to execute the trust. Now, one thing I would really strongly recommend is that when you have your trust done, you really should give copies to the beneficiaries or at least to one beneficiary that you trust. They don't all they don't all have to know what you got upfront. But you need some way to get a copy in their hand so they can make sure the trustee is doing their job.
If that makes sense, I yield.
[01:53:24] Unknown:
Well, the question still stands. It's like, I mean, for us normal folks who, you know, we I have friends I totally trust, and some of them are even nationals now, and so I could, I could we could be each other as trustees, I guess. It's just that it's a little bit harrowing to take your home and take the I hate this word title to it, but it's the only one I know right now. You take your title to that home, and now they have legal control of it even though I enjoy the full breadth of the use of it. Well, that's not exactly Who do you name as a trustee yet? I mean, are you the beneficiary in your thing?
[01:54:05] Unknown:
Not on mine. I'm I am a beneficiary to my parents' trust. Copy. Yeah. So but but the trustee, if they deviate from the trust, you can sue them individually for violating their fiduciary duty to execute the trust the way it's supposed to be done. Or if they're mismanaging it, take money out of it for personal use, then yes, I can sue them individually. Now that part would be in court, but the trust documents are private. If I have to go to court and I've got to prove that they're not doing their duties, that doesn't get put into the public record. It doesn't go into the court record. My trust documents are private, they don't get filed into the court record, and only the parties involved including the judge can review them privately.
And the judge can make a determination of whether the trustee is operating properly or not. But none of that they don't get copies of it, and it doesn't go into the public record. Right. Interesting. So you so you're the trustee, apparently, and I then I yield. No. I'm not a trustee. Well, I am a trust You mean a bank? Trust. Right. But in my parents' trust, I'm a beneficiary. Yeah. Who, there was a female I am a trustee. It's a mother trust. Yes.
[01:55:28] Unknown:
Okay. Who who's our female there with the question? We're running out of time.
[01:55:34] Unknown:
Roger, this is Gina.
[01:55:36] Unknown:
Hello, Gina. Gary's Gina. Hey, Roger. Gary's Gina. Yes. Okay. How's the restaurant?
[01:55:47] Unknown:
Restaurant's doing okay. Could be a little busier, but it's going okay.
[01:55:52] Unknown:
Alright. How can we help you, sweetie? Good to hear from you.
[01:55:56] Unknown:
Well, it's it's good to hear hear you too. Can, you guys say keep Gary in prayer? We're in we're back in the hospital.
[01:56:04] Unknown:
Oh, no. Probably gonna be here for a day or two. That's not good news. That. So relapse is the other condition?
[01:56:14] Unknown:
It's just ongoing ongoing struggle that we've got, and, he's got a little fluid built built up because they changed his meds. So he's having a little
[01:56:26] Unknown:
trouble with that. So Alright. Well, you tell him our prayers are absolutely with him, and, we why don't, why didn't somebody say a prayer for Gary real quick? Gina here with him. Are you at the hospital, Gina?
[01:56:43] Unknown:
Yeah. We're in the ER right now, and he's stable. We're getting ready to get admitted and moved to a room. So
[01:56:51] Unknown:
Oh, well, listen. Well, I'll do it. Then, heavenly father, we ask you to lay your healing hands on our brother Gary who, needs your attention and, does the the Lord's work. And each every one of us, pray for a speedy and and maybe even staying recovery. Gina, you got our you got our prayers, dear, and I'm really sorry. You tell Gary we're with him. Alright?
[01:57:18] Unknown:
Alright. He hears you. We appreciate it. He wanted me to let you know. Alright, Joan. We love him. We love both of you. Okay?
[01:57:25] Unknown:
So pull through it, buddy. Be strong. Okay? Thanks for letting us know. Alright, baby. Thank you. Oh, boy. Thank you. Well, that's something all of us have to face is our health. Yes, ma'am?
[01:57:38] Unknown:
This is Pam in Michigan.
[01:57:40] Unknown:
Hi, Pam.
[01:57:42] Unknown:
Hi. And I just like to add to that prayer, steady hands, wise doctors, and faithful caregivers.
[01:57:51] Unknown:
Thank you.
[01:57:52] Unknown:
Thank you. And I just had one question in regards to one of the gentlemen spoke earlier regarding, having it recorded. And I don't know if I heard this or if I interpret it myself that they created AI to be able to stay out of these situations where they can claim it was AI. So they weren't really a part of that situation. So they're using recordings is a very good idea. But if you have AI, how are we going to differentiate? Was that AI or was that you or, you know so this is a a conflict now that I I believe happened with when they created
[01:58:35] Unknown:
AI. I got an answer for that.
[01:58:37] Unknown:
Okay. Mark's got an answer quick, bud. You're gonna wait for the whistler to go, and I'll answer that. Well, we can. We can wait for it. But I tell you, AI, a lot of people are using AI to our advantage, and I don't know, like the Internet, that the enemy realized what they were exposing themselves to completely. These CADCAM drawings of every penny that goes through these organizations, man, that could never have been done before. And here it is. You go every one of them where it went through 10 of them and back to the original one and and account for every penny. And they've been keeping them not in this detail, but for over a hundred years. So they got over a hundred years in a database to go back to to search. Yikes.
So, anyway, they're going to, get hoisted on their own petard. Couldn't be more just, could it? So the, exposure is gonna be coming much more exponential as we go forward, but, what an exciting time. We all better hopefully realize how lucky we are to be here with what we know. Anyway, good luck. Hope your team wins the Super Bowl. If you can't give a damn, and, otherwise, we'll, see you back on Monday. Thank you. Well, they're not finished just yet. A little bit there on the acapella end of that's from an old Crosby, Stills, and Nash. I don't even think Young was with them back then. Anyway, I believe they're done now, and that means us too.
We're gonna go away, and those of you in the forum can get an answer to this question that Pam brought us. Bye. See you Monday. Adios. Okay. Okay. May you got an answer for Pam, Mark?
[02:00:29] Unknown:
Yeah. If if you unknowingly are talking to an AI, that's an AI agent and they represent the party, whoever, you know, they're providing that AI. So if they call up and it's AI and and or you call in and you're talking to AI, you call the particular party and they're responsible for whatever that AI is telling you. So Okay. It just be like a regular agent. Right? So you've got some big corporation. They got a bunch of, employees that are working the phones, and whatever they say, they're held responsible for. That that corporation, government agency, whoever, is responsible for whatever that AI is telling that individual.
And I would record it. And if they try to say, well, that was AI, well, you're responsible for your AI. And if it's giving out bad information,
[02:01:28] Unknown:
you're still responsible for it. Yeah. That's how I would Laws of agent. Well, laser all laws of agency would apply there, wouldn't it?
[02:01:36] Unknown:
Absolutely.
[02:01:38] Unknown:
Yep. Yeah. There's usually disclaimers on all the AI stuff when you get to the bottom, you know, the basically making those statements that, I actually, in fairness to Mark, asked AI about the nonstatutory trust. And here's what it had to say. A nonstatutory trust is a type of trust that is not created under a specific statute or law, but rather through a written agreement between the granter and the trustee. It is a private arrangement that does not require any state filings, and the trustee has more flexibility in managing the trust assets and fulfilling the granter's wishes.
Non statutory trust can be used in a, for a variety of purposes and such as holding property for the benefit of a specific person or group or for holding assets for a specific period of time. Yep. I I yield.
[02:02:40] Unknown:
Thank you. Thank you. Thorough. Pretty accurate. Pretty thorough.
[02:02:43] Unknown:
Yep. Yep. Pleasure.
[02:02:46] Unknown:
Yes. Now, Larry, come. Yes, sir.
[02:02:50] Unknown:
Yeah. I was I was trying to ask this before. Are there any advantages to having a statutory trust over a common law or private trust? Do you know of any, and does Mark know of any?
[02:03:03] Unknown:
I don't. But this is not my field either, Larry.
[02:03:08] Unknown:
No. I I don't know. There might be now for our property holding trust and for estate planning. Okay? Now there may be, reasons you would want us a some type of statutory trust outside of your estate planning. I don't know what those will be because all mine has been focused all my energy has been focused on estate planning trust. So now another advantage of this, and this is why if you've got much of anything, you wanna get into a trust as quickly as possible. Because if somewhere down the road, you need government assistance with long term care, like in a nursing home or so forth.
That long term care won't cut in or won't let me back up. The government won't help you with your long term care if you have any assets, especially if you have assets. Right. So you have to deplete all your funds, and then the government will step up and start helping or paying for your stay in a nursing home. Okay? Or or for a loved one. So now it was three years. I've been told, you know, it went to five years. I've gotta double check. But lately, I am told I was even told they could go back seven years to see, you know, what type of assets that you transferred out of your estate. So this is my focus as estate planning.
Statutory trust, there may be a benefit outside of the estate planning. I'm not I don't know.
[02:04:47] Unknown:
There's over a hundred
[02:04:49] Unknown:
there's over a hundred different kinds, Larry, with all kinds of each one separate by some little minutia. I I suggest everybody, if you're interested in this, whether you use Mark or not, to take Brent's advice and go over and take his course on trust. And then you'll know know him pretty well inside out, I guess.
[02:05:10] Unknown:
Another thing is, when Samuel was talking before, he was saying that, I guess, he was saying you didn't agree with trust that are in equity. When he said that, is that another way of saying that he didn't agree with trust that are using statutory law? Yes. Okay. Is there I mean, I don't I don't think statutory law is all that bad, is it? Because I remember Joe coming on last Saturday, and Joe said that he found a statute that was based on the constitution. So I'm thinking sometimes the statutes are established upon constitutional law, which we know is usually
[02:06:03] Unknown:
common law. Well, that's Do you agree with that? United well, our same, United States code, some positive law and some nonpositive law. The positive law is based on the statutes at large and the information from that law being brought over in whole cloth into that particular title of The United States code. For instance, let's look at the opposite, title 26. Larry, have you ever heard me say that title 26 was never passed by the Senate and it was never signed by the president?
[02:06:39] Unknown:
Right. I've heard you say that plenty of times.
[02:06:42] Unknown:
Yeah. So it's it's non positive law. But it's in the code, but there's other ones that are that are, title eight, I believe, is positive law. Okay? So, anyway, that's where the Roman civil code is. That's the old amalgamation from Rome from the just civil, the law of the civilian, if you will, over to just jinsom, the law of the foreigner because they incorporated Babylonian self help remedies, and therefore, afterwards, much of the Babylonian code over into the Roman civil code. Took two hundred years, but it happened. So they they they're mixed.
You know?
[02:07:31] Unknown:
Well, also remember statutory law applies to them, not nationals. So we can use statutory law against them to our benefit.
[02:07:42] Unknown:
Well, if it's a if it's a a positive law, it does apply to nationals, Marx, my understanding. I could be wrong.
[02:07:51] Unknown:
I don't know. That's a good question. I don't don't necessarily think so. I think the constitution
[02:07:56] Unknown:
applies to us. Regulations that are off of them that don't apply to us. Right.
[02:08:01] Unknown:
Right. K. But, anyway take a look at that. I'm I'm not so sure. Well, it's a good question. Your voice sounded like it was getting a little weak there at the end. It is. It's, this is the most I've talked in weeks. It's been a blast. I've I've enjoyed it tremendously.
[02:08:18] Unknown:
Good. And you come you're well enough to start regularly attending, I hope. And, so has anybody else got any questions for Mark or myself? Because I I'm into my short weekend.
[02:08:33] Unknown:
Yeah. It's time for lunch. Roger. New Orleans checking in. Hey. Look at that.
[02:08:38] Unknown:
Look at Dwayne.
[02:08:40] Unknown:
Yeah. You're right. Great talk, Mark. I love the thing about the all your knowledge about the trust, and I'd like to learn more from you about this. But the main reason I'll call, there's a did yesterday, I was listening to Tom Rentz and, Alex on a Yeah. I saw that interview. Twenty five minute. I saw that interview. Did you see that interview where he actually talked about the the using the actual department that all these people are freaking out that he started that, Musk and Trump have started their own agency outside of the legislature?
[02:09:17] Unknown:
Yes. No. They didn't.
[02:09:19] Unknown:
Okay. No. They didn't. That was absolutely amazing. I just finished listening to it and walked into the Dollar General to get some some oil for the truck. And I'm trying to relay this to the cashier, and there's a guy behind me that is listening to this, and I was then turned around to start explaining it to him. And this guy pops off. He's ain't my president. I don't claim him. I said, you know, dude, that's reality. He's out all of our president. And he said, stop pushing your agenda. Wow. I was like, dude, I I didn't say it because I didn't wanna get in a fist fight with the guy. But, it was like we've been listening to you to having all these you know what agendas push down our throat for the last twelve, fourteen years. And I'm like, you know, it's just amazing what people how they don't live in reality.
[02:10:13] Unknown:
This makeup stuff. So Do you remember the story on what what it is they coop tiered where it came from?
[02:10:22] Unknown:
No.
[02:10:23] Unknown:
Not all of my Medicare. Came in, and they set up a bunch of websites and had a whole bunch of problems with them years ago. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[02:10:33] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. That's what Tom was talking about.
[02:10:36] Unknown:
This was an agency that they set up to go in and straighten out all those problems, and it's even got the same an acronym. It's got The answer. Whatever the name of the thing is it's the same exact an acronym for DOSH. It's funny as hell. Yeah. They were we're using their They were set up
[02:10:55] Unknown:
that that so when y'all were talking about the good good statutory codes and not, you know, and less than than beneficial for us. I was like, you know, that's exactly what what Trump and and Musk and his team have done. They come up and use the statutory against the communist, you know, that have been just taken, you know, just destroying this country.
[02:11:15] Unknown:
I am so proud of them and to see the growth in Trump or whoever he is have as his advisers around him now that wasn't there before or whatever. But in a lot of their stuff, they're taking a secondary approach because they know what they're gonna do. In other words, you you were gonna close all the DI offices and then sends out another letter. If you see anybody changing that from DEI to whatever, you report it. You know? So they're even taking into account the reaction from this slime of their actions. So it's I'm just entertained, encouraged, and, blissfully happy, on what Trump has accomplished so far.
[02:12:00] Unknown:
Yeah. And I'm interested to see how these judges are gonna rule once they bring once Trump's lawyers bring up the, the fact that this is an existing agency and Musk already has a top secret clearance. There's a lot of this defense department and space work is what I imagine.
[02:12:19] Unknown:
So Well, even if it's one of these reactionary judges, it'll get overturned in appellate level. Would somebody try to say something there?
[02:12:28] Unknown:
Yes. Some people say, Roger, that, it's gonna come down to a federal judge and Trump, and Trump is gonna defy them just like Andrew Jackson did and say, what are you gonna do about it? It could be. Do we really wanna go there? I don't know, you know. I mean, that's gonna really open the can of worms. But on the other hand, this AIDS group was was paying for 7,000 or no 700 news outlets and 6,200 reporters.
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Yep.
[02:13:02] Unknown:
Yep. Yeah. Around the world. Propaganda. Right? So And now all of the the best going.
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PBS, all those contracts have been put on hold,
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I believe. Roger?
[02:13:15] Unknown:
Yes. I heard that on the news today that 25, Democratic US attorneys has has, put a stay or had petitioned the government, filed the court case to stop, them disbanding USAID and, a judge, I think, ruled on it already. I'm not sure about that, I heard you. I think they can. They're totally under they're totally under the auspices of their power.
[02:13:44] Unknown:
I mean, these people are squawking, but every legal expert that I've seen addressed it, they're totally within their rights and all the power that he's got with that office. He's not creating things. He's just like this rock, rock, rock. He's going in and taking an old agency that wasn't used and bringing it out. It's already established, dusting it off, and weaponizing it.
[02:14:08] Unknown:
Yep. And I have one quick more more statement is, in the chat at, 08:41. There's a video on collection agencies must stand down the FTC band, the collector's list. And if Tom Deese is on this program, I'd like to talk to him after you leave. Thank you, Roger.
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Alrighty.
[02:14:32] Unknown:
Well, and one of the other things I've seen on all this is that how many people that are are moaning and groaning and bitching about all this money being saved or all the shenanigans stopping with it. How many of them actually went in protest when the CCP actually hacked or was given access to the Treasury Department about two months before the end of Biden? I'm doing tax shit, man. You get it on you. None of them did said a damn word. You're right. So, anyway, just a bunch of hooey. Alright. That's oh, I see. The last thing is So you okay.
[02:15:09] Unknown:
Go ahead. I was gonna say about the Super Bowl. I was gonna make that's what I was gonna mention. Go ahead. I'll I'll follow you.
[02:15:17] Unknown:
Well, all I was gonna the amount of armed National Guard, cops on the street, state police, and other state policing agencies that are down here right now is for the all week long was more than the people on Bourbon Street. Now I haven't been down there since Thursday afternoon, so that could've shifted. But it was like, oh my god. Talk about two you know, what the difference of two weeks or, you know, three well, a month and a half, I guess, now. But, from the New Year's Eve where they were all asleep at the wheel, all the policing agencies and, and what's going on down here right now. And that was irrespective of of president Trump coming down here this weekend.
[02:16:03] Unknown:
Yes. So we got a new sheriff in town. And, for the audience that may not know, you got the Super Bowl there tomorrow. And then Mardi Gras start today?
[02:16:14] Unknown:
Well, Mardi Gras actually started about two weeks ago, but the main parades don't start. They're only really on Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sundays now. And that's not for the last two weeks of February. And, then Mardi Gras Day is is Tuesday, March 4. Now the guy that was hired to come he was a Former New York City Police Commissioner and then LA Police Commissioner, a police, an organization that really is, backs the police around here, hired him to come in and do another study of how to make the city safe. And the guy was like after about three weeks, his name's Brack, and Brack said this week, he said, I had no idea Mardi Gras Day was Mardi Gras was like a month long and all over the entire region. He said, heck, in New York City, we have the Macy's Day Parade. That's three hours, three or four hours, and we have 3,000 cops for a couple of hours.
How do you police this, you know, when it's when it's Yeah. Almost it it's weeks long and and not just one day. And, so anyway, I just it it people don't realize how, a lot of people don't realize that art from around here, the width and breadth of all the celebration that goes on and decadence that goes on around here. Yeah. It's a whole year long thing when they're not doing floats. They're doing balls and stuff and all this social Ball. Social And then do it. And then do it. Second lines, you know, second lines are is typically the black community celebrating this or that or this guy dies or and and those are, like, almost every weekend, and they go they just wander throughout the city. You know? Wednesday. Well, that's the Zulu that's the Zulu parade. Right? Well, Zulu on Mardi Gras day, Mardi Gras morning. But the second line and they have a second line before, but the second line is just like a it it starts off as a lot of times as a somber, like a funeral possession.
And then some point along the route, it actually breaks into everybody dancing and hooting and hollering and Right. You know, just as a big part. For the And then For the audience, it doesn't know Zulu. All these parades, they have specific routes
[02:18:29] Unknown:
and specific times so everybody can line up and say, you know, hey, mister. Throw me some beads and all that stuff, except for the Zulus. And the Zulus start out on Mardi early Mardi Gras day morning, and they don't have a plan. They just go. And it's a bunch of boys. They just go. Yeah. They just go. They don't throw the beads. They throw coconuts.
[02:18:54] Unknown:
Coconuts. Yep. Goldie. And Well, they they they put all kinds of they each rider puts their own, like, mark and sayings or whatever on a lot of the coconuts that they give to their special friends or family along the route. But then the rest of them, you know, the regular people, they just throw coconuts. It's like, man, if you ain't watching, you know, you really have to keep your eye out on that one. So,
[02:19:22] Unknown:
anyway, I stay away from it. I'm too old for that. Go once. Right, Dwayne? Everybody should go once.
[02:19:29] Unknown:
At least once. More people I've met over the decades that have come down here for just Mardi Gras, Ten years later, they're still here waiting for the next one.
[02:19:38] Unknown:
Right. It's
[02:19:40] Unknown:
Well, you know what what really ruined Mardi Gras, because I was at school down there, at LSU in these times, was the movie Easy Rider. And that movie conjured up so many hippies, and the next Mardi Gras, all of them did anything to get to New Orleans, and a bunch of them got stranded down there. It changed the face of the whole the whole event.
[02:20:04] Unknown:
Yep. And I think I met half of them back then. But, anyway alright. Alright, guys and gals. I'll see y'all later. And, Mark, I look forward to your your classes.
[02:20:15] Unknown:
Thanks. Alright. Thanks for checking in, Dwayne. Good morning, Rucker.
[02:20:19] Unknown:
Alright. Yes, sir. Alright. Yes, sir. Yeah. I don't know if Mark is still on. I, out of respect for him, still recovering. I I had a couple of questions about this, trust thing. I caught part of it and sent an email.
[02:20:32] Unknown:
But is Mark available for a couple of questions? Mark, are you still there? Did you go? I'm here. Roger, do you need to go? I know you're Saturday. I'm gonna go I am gonna go if nobody's got anything for me, and it's a trust question. So I'll see y'all on Monday. And, have a have a great week. You, Rudy. Hope you're well. Yeah. Hope you're Who am I? I really, I guess, I guess the, Chiefs. I I really don't like Philadelphia. But I got a funny story about that, and I don't know if y'all have heard this before I go. We Atlanta, we played the the flyers in one of these big games. I think we beat them and went to the Super Bowl that year. But up to that divisional playoff, the sports station in town, which was WGST where Sean Hannity came from, and, they had different interviews with Philadelphia people. And do you know that the Philadelphia Stadium, Mark, has its own courtroom?
No. It's true. It's true. I heard they interviewed the judge. Their fans are so bad that they have a courtroom underneath the stands. Okay? And and so they're interviewing the judge. Right? And, he said, yeah, I had this one kid came in front of me and I said, son, do you really like football? Oh, yes, your honor. I love football. This, that, and the other. He goes, well, I'm glad because if I see you in front of me again, I'm gonna send you to where you go in as a tight end and you come out as a wide receiver. So y'all can check me about that. See you Monday. Bye.
[02:22:23] Unknown:
Ciao. Ciao. Alright. Good morning. No. What's that? Hey. Good morning. No. Was that Frank that had a question?
[02:22:28] Unknown:
Yes, sir. Alright. Go ahead. Go ahead, Frank. So the this trust thing that you're speaking of, it's ironic because I've been wanting to do this, on the advice of my brother to kinda get a little bit more, something set up for my situation. And ironically, yesterday, I interviewed with a lawyer, you know, the first, pro bono meeting to try and get this going. And then I hear you're you're you're offering now. Is this a class? And I I if you went through this or is there more details to come, I don't wanna jump ahead of what you might be doing. I'm trying to get an understanding of the format. Oh, okay. No problem. It's gonna it's gonna be a private membership association.
[02:23:09] Unknown:
Okay? And I'm gonna hold classes on how to maintain and operate the trust. And I'm gonna give you tools to and I'm gonna work with you personally to to help you write your trust. Okay? And you may have different different needs and everybody else, you know, different ways you wanna handle your trust. But I'm gonna give you a questionnaire to kinda check off, like, what property you might have and help trigger your thoughts. And then A lot of sorts. Right. Exactly. And then I will work with you to to complete your trust. I will basically help you write out the the structure of it, and and you review it, and we work together to get your trust completed. So I don't I don't like the idea of just creating a trust, giving it to somebody, and they don't know how to maintain or operate it.
[02:24:05] Unknown:
For the form of instruction, will it be group instruction or one on one? I guess that's where I missed the term. It's gonna be both. It's gonna be both. I'm gonna probably hold the weekly,
[02:24:16] Unknown:
like a webinar, if you will, just over the phone. Right. Right. Might do it through Zoom. I'm gonna look into doing Zoom because that way I could show documents when I'm doing that.
[02:24:25] Unknown:
And then tentative time. I know. I I apologize for interrupting. Do you have a tentative time of when that might be?
[02:24:32] Unknown:
I'm looking at at least about two weeks. I'm I'm wondering what time of the day and what day it is. Oh. That's right. Well, I'm gonna we can we can talk about that. It'll be reported reported. So I'll probably have one during the evening weekday, and then probably one on Saturday. So, you know, as a group, we can decide what will work best for us. I usually find that Tuesdays and Thursday evenings work good for everybody. And then, you know, potentially maybe on a on a Saturday or maybe maybe a Sunday. I'm tied up on Sundays usually, but
[02:25:09] Unknown:
maybe I already you filling that in. At least gives me so I dropped you an email when this was first mentioned and, we'll we'll let it we'll let it gel as you get more. So I just kinda wanna get those basic questions of what the structure might be like. And this sounds very intriguing, and I thank you, sir. You're welcome. I'm also going to,
[02:25:27] Unknown:
set up my website as a training website so that you can go through kind of basic little classes on your own and and learn about trust. So that's still a little bit in the works right now. I'm getting pretty close to having what I want, in a just step by step, very simple, bite sized little classes that might only last, you know, might might only last ten or twenty minutes at the most. And then you go on to your next course. And so we'll set it up that way.
[02:26:00] Unknown:
And it may take me a little bit to structure that. Alright. Thank you, Frank. Have a good day. Hey, Mark. Hey, Mark? Yes. Yes. Oh, sorry. It's me, Julie, again. Sorry. Thank you so much for everything. If I fill out a form and revoke my s corporation status, wouldn't that just put me back into a c corp status? Into a what corp? It wouldn't I just automatically default back to the c corp because I set up a c There's no such thing as a state corp. No. I said a c corp.
[02:26:30] Unknown:
No. No. It it it takes you back to a plain LLC.
[02:26:38] Unknown:
Oh, okay. So that's what I wanna do. Okay. So I'll do that. A totally different for profit corporation
[02:26:45] Unknown:
that has many shareholders usually, multiple shareholders that that own stock in the c corp.
[02:26:54] Unknown:
Yeah. But that's how I set that's how I set mine up. I set mine up as a c corp, Mark. And then what I did, I put myself as a c corp, and then I did f corp tax election status is what I did.
[02:27:06] Unknown:
Wow. Okay. C corp, and then I elected to be taxed as an s corp so that everything from the c corp goes on. You're gonna have to do both then. Because if if you revoke the s corp, then it falls back on your c corp, just like you said. And then the c corp would have to do normal c corp filings. So you're gonna have to revoke both.
[02:27:28] Unknown:
Right. And so I wanna do that and then and then just set it up as an LLC in my check.
[02:27:34] Unknown:
If you're a c corp, that means you registered your c corp with a, one of the the states, secretary of state for your state, you've registered a c corp.
[02:27:46] Unknown:
Yep. And I have stock in it.
[02:27:49] Unknown:
Okay. Well, you're gonna have to undo all of that if you're going to, not wanna do taxes through, through that.
[02:27:56] Unknown:
Right. And so I revoke both of those and then, I go to an LLC and then I don't have to file for the LLC. Am I correct? No. You have to no. You don't file taxes for the LLC,
[02:28:08] Unknown:
but you do have to file with your state attorney, excuse me, state, secretary of state, you do have to dissolve your c corp with the secretary of state and in some states, they have a option. You'll have to talk to the Secretary of State's office and let them know what you're doing. Say, I wanna dissolve my c corporation and convert it to an LLC.
[02:28:34] Unknown:
Yeah. I spoke to the lady,
[02:28:36] Unknown:
yesterday and she told me that's possible to do. Oh, there you go. So, yeah, revoke your s corp, dissolve your c corp, and convert to an LLC.
[02:28:45] Unknown:
And then I don't have to file any taxes for that entity. Am I correct? Right. For 2025,
[02:28:52] Unknown:
you should not have to file any now, like, a little research on your c corp. But I'm assuming it's gonna be hold on. You're gonna we, you and I, will do a little research to find out with the IRS how soon can a c corp, revoke or dissolve being a c corp and not have to pay taxes. I'm gonna assume, my guess is, it'll also be, like, March 15 as long as you get your documents in and get that process started. Then it'll be as if you operated through just whatever business entity and LLC straight to you starting January first of this
[02:29:34] Unknown:
year. Oh, can't I just use that for the entire 2024 of last year since I have my national status for,
[02:29:40] Unknown:
filed? No. No. No. If 2024 is already done, you can't go and do it.
[02:29:47] Unknown:
Yeah. I don't know. I don't have to file my tax returns for 2024 until As an individual
[02:29:53] Unknown:
as an individual, no. You don't have to file. But you got a c corp operating as an s corp for taxes, they will have to file for 2024.
[02:30:05] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:30:06] Unknown:
But moving forward moving forward, you can cancel your s corp and c corp, move forward as an LLC, and all the money will flow through the LLC directly to you as an individual, and there'll be no more tax forms that you gotta fill out.
[02:30:24] Unknown:
Okay. That won't be effect I have to do that by March fifteenth of this year?
[02:30:28] Unknown:
Definitely for the s corp. You and I will have to find out about the c corp and how to dissolve it and if that could be retroactive to January 1 or not.
[02:30:39] Unknown:
Okay. So, what was I gonna say? It's the the the it is a it is a c corp with, I think, I don't know how many shares of stock, and it's just treated as an s corp for tech purposes. So that's it. Alright. There's a way to go there's a way to go through that and involve your c corp. I just don't know
[02:30:57] Unknown:
how what deadline you might face to make it retroactive to 01/01/2025. But I would expect it'll be similar to the s corp. If you do it in this first quarter by March 15, then your your c corp should be retroactive to January first of this year.
[02:31:18] Unknown:
Okay. But you're saying for my c corp that I have treated for s corp statuses, I have to do the tax return for 2024
[02:31:25] Unknown:
then? That's correct.
[02:31:28] Unknown:
But I don't have to pay individual taxes for 2024 since I sent my affidavit before 12/31/2024.
[02:31:35] Unknown:
Am I correct on that? That's correct. Did you also send a revocation of election for yourself individually? Yes. Okay. Then yes, you will not, excuse me, you will not have to file a tax return unless you have issued, ten ninety nine's or w two's in your name. So in other words, if somebody else paid you, well, let me back up. Let me say it this way. If you've had taxes withheld for 2024, then yes, you wanna file a tax return as a non resident. Okay. Right? But after that, unless you have taxes withheld, you should not be, obligated to file.
[02:32:20] Unknown:
Perfect. If I may? Lady Linda Louise, if I may? Yeah. Late, lady Linda. Yes. Thank you. I it appears as though I just looked it up. It's March 15 for the c corp, but you can verify. You can verify that, Julie. Okay. I yield.
[02:32:36] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you, lady, Linda. Thank you, lady, Linda, Louise. Thank you. I really appreciate it. Thank you, Mark. I I yield. Thank you very much. Any other do you have any other question on that? Does that make sense? You know, I just I guess I just got confused. I'm in thinking and maybe I thought I'm thinking wrong here. I thought, that Roger said that if I got my, my national status, my evidence of, my my affidavit of citizenship evidence in before the end of this year, I can be treated as a national for the whole year of 2024. And I think I was erroneously assuming that if I got my, revocation of my CNS Corp in by March 15 that that could be retroactive also to 2024.
I guess that was hopeless thinking on my part. Correct? No. No. If you filed all that in 2024,
[02:33:27] Unknown:
that's your individual. You're getting these all mixed up. You got corporations, you got businesses, and you got individual. So in 2024, if you if you gave notice that you're a national and you revoked your, getting mentally tired here, if you filed your revocation of election as an individual, then you you don't necessarily have to do a tax return for 2024 unless you had taxes withheld and you wanna get a refund on those.
[02:34:03] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:34:05] Unknown:
Now you may you
[02:34:07] Unknown:
if you didn't get any response on your revocation election, you may have the IRS reach out to you and say you need to file, but all you gotta do is is send them a copy of your revocation election with your green card showing their receipt and that should be the end of it. Yeah. I have Basically
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okay.
[02:34:28] Unknown:
Thanks. I have that.
[02:34:30] Unknown:
Basically be two things. He would send send a cover letter saying, I did not have any income under 26 CFR one dot one dash one, sections eight seventy one b or eight seventy seven b. And I did not have any taxes withheld, therefore I do not have or therefore I believe I do not have a tax filing requirement. If I do need to file a tax return, please let me know. Now the burden shifts to them, and if they say you still need to file a tax return, we'll follow very simple I don't know if you looked at a ten forty n r, it's very simple, and show that you owe zero taxes. Not a big thing.
[02:35:18] Unknown:
Thank you. And then as far as the c corp and s corp or the c corp, goes, because I did not file a revocation of election by December thirty first of last year, then I still have to file for last year is what you're telling me. Yes. For 2024,
[02:35:33] Unknown:
you're gonna need to file for your s corp. But you're filing s corp or your c corp. I've never heard that before, but I guess it's possible. But you're going to have to dissolve both of those. Your s corp filing, that's your s corp election. So when we talk about revocation of election, well by you filing an, a S corp return, you elected to file taxes. So we gotta revoke that. And then you gotta dissolve your corporation, not only with your Secretary of State, but also you gotta notify the IRS. So you're gonna revoke any election. If it were me, I'd revoke my election under sub chapter s. I'd send in a separate revocation of election for my c corp. I would dissolve it with the secretary of state and convert it to an LLC.
And then from there on out, and your your tax identification number for your LLC should stay the same. And everything, all your bank accounts, everything, will continue to flow money. But instead of having to do tax returns for a c corp or an LLC, all monies flow directly to you. And as a national, you do not have a tax liability unless you're dealing with those entities I talked about previously.
[02:36:55] Unknown:
Thank you very, very much, Mark. Thank you. I did send you an email. So, before we had this discussion, but I do need some help with the c corp and f corp, dissolution. I've already been on the phone with the secretary of state, on Friday asking them how to convert it to an LLC, and they're gonna send me a form, and there's a specific word they use. So if you can help me get that done, I'd so greatly appreciate it. If if you hadn't done so already, scan that document,
[02:37:21] Unknown:
and email it to me. Okay. Did they email it to you? You just forward it on to me. So this is what that wording is.
[02:37:29] Unknown:
Thank you very much. Thank you. I yield. Thank you. You're very welcome. Mark, I have a quick question too.
[02:37:37] Unknown:
Just I agree.
[02:37:39] Unknown:
Communicate with you. Are you familiar with international trust as well? Because I think cryptocurrency, and I want to move right into the trust. But is that gonna be considered income because I'm trading and investing
[02:37:53] Unknown:
with my assets? I don't know. No. Not at all. Now I don't know about international trust. I've never really studied them. But, you know, generically, trust or trust around the world. So but in an international trust, I'm sure that's gonna be I don't know. I almost would bet you money that it's gonna be somehow a statutory trust that's registered with a country outside of The United States. I'd almost bet you money in it. So, but Yeah. I can make this very simple for you. Mhmm. As far as as far as taxation, any money that you as a national receives, that's not part of those three areas I've talked about.
It's not from, from some type of US government contract, you're not working with the railroad, or you're not getting interest or dividends from corporate bonds or stocks, outside of those three areas, you don't owe a tax. It's not taxable.
[02:38:56] Unknown:
Okay. Right. It's Okay.
[02:39:00] Unknown:
It's funny because I keep peep people keep asking me, well, what about this source of income? What about this source of income? If it doesn't fall under that 26 CFR one dot one dash one paragraph a, and it says, nationals are exempt except under section eight seventy one b and eight seventy seven b. If you look at eight seventy one b, that has to do with railroad pensions. If you look at eight seventy seven b, it talks about source of US income. Initially, it was referring to interest and dividends from corporate stocks and bonds that you individually own.
Not part of a mutual fund, not part of not part of some type of retirement fund, but you individually purchased corporate stocks or bonds that make payments to you throughout the year, you owe a tax on them as a national. Or if you're a national, you've worked for a railroad or had worked for a railroad, you've got certain pension money that you get off that pension plan, it's taxable. Outside of that, if you you are not taxed as a national. Now, if you live in another country, they may have tax laws that might apply to you. I don't know. But I'm talking about nationals who are considered, you know, still tied to The United States.
[02:40:30] Unknown:
Okay. Okay. Makes sense. Yeah. I've seen that you've seen things too as well about the international company I came across. And if you want, maybe email me back if you can set something up.
[02:40:44] Unknown:
Sure. Not a problem. Thank you, Preeti. Mhmm. No worries. Mark? Yes.
[02:40:50] Unknown:
Yes. Samuel, let's say we're talking about a non statutory trust here. Have you considered any mechanism that would remove property from the tax rules
[02:41:03] Unknown:
regarding this lease? No. No. I haven't.
[02:41:08] Unknown:
You think it has any legitimacy to even talking about it?
[02:41:14] Unknown:
Well, I mean, that's an interesting question. I guess I guess you could put it in there that if the the grantor or the settler that created the trust wants to pursue that underneath the name of the trust that could do that, or if the trustee wanted to pursue removing the the property from the property tax rolls, I guess you could do that. That's a that's a thought.
[02:41:39] Unknown:
Keep it in escrow because I'm sure that, you know,
[02:41:44] Unknown:
that there's a possibility. And, again, maybe there's a way to do it through Jesus Christ. Yeah. And and I appreciate you bringing that up too because at least you could put that lingo into the trust that would authorize the grantor or the trustee to pursue getting the property off the the property tax rolls if they wanted to.
[02:42:08] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:42:09] Unknown:
That's a good idea. That's a good idea. And it never crossed my mind because I just so far, I haven't met anybody that's got their property off the tax rolls yet. So,
[02:42:20] Unknown:
I'm sure this guy by the name of Randy Lee up there in, Washington State has done it in three different counties.
[02:42:28] Unknown:
Sure. I'd like to to hear his, hear him talk about that. Oh, let me take it back. Steve Emerson in Florida has done it because Florida has a law that if it's your residential property, even if it's on a farm, then it it can it has the right not to be taxed, the property. So Steve Emerson, I've got a couple of, video links for him that he's done some interviews. Pretty fascinating how he went through getting off their tax rolls. And when he talked to his, I think, the tax assessor or the the county treasurer, when they knew he knew the statutes for for Florida that says that that's what they gotta do, exempt you if you want to be, they just kinda hung their head and said, sorry, we'll take care of it. Apologize. We'll take care of it. And he said, he left and he said he watched, you know, to make sure that he his property wasn't owed a tax.
And sure enough, he had zero taxes and he kinda held his breath, and then he realized, oh, well then, you know, I don't owe a tax. And so he's been helping other people in Florida to to, to get off the property tax rolls in Florida. So that's the only one that I know of, that has gotten their property off of it. I would love to hear from Randy Lee. I've already heard Steve Emerson's story. So
[02:43:59] Unknown:
Hey. Mark?
[02:44:00] Unknown:
Yes.
[02:44:01] Unknown:
This is Julie again. This is what I heard about somebody who else does common law trust. He took his property off, the property tax roll by not recording it at the county record records office. So what he did was he transferred his house into common law trust number one, paid the recorded common law trust one at the county, land records and, paid tax paid property taxes for the that year, and then the second year, he took the property out of common law trust one and put it in common law trust two. He did not record common law trust two at the county land records. Instead, he sent the registrar a certified mail return receipt stating that common law trust number one no longer owned, the the the property anymore and that it had been transferred and he did not tell the he did not I don't think he mentioned that it was in common law trust two but maybe he did. But he he just by not recording the actual trust in the land records, he got out of paying property taxes.
[02:45:11] Unknown:
Okay. Well, do you know this person personally?
[02:45:15] Unknown:
Yeah.
[02:45:16] Unknown:
Have you ever looked up his property then?
[02:45:19] Unknown:
No. Because, he he he he won't divulge. He he he did it for somebody else. He himself doesn't own property, but he did it for somebody else. So it's a private client. But he basically was trying yeah.
[02:45:32] Unknown:
We've we've heard stories like that, and we've heard people that come back that the tax attaches to the real estate, not you as the individual. So they're they're contacting the person who they believe is responsible for paying the tax on the property. And generally, if if if it's not paid, the attachments and liens go against the real estate, not against the individual. So you could change that all you want, move it from one one entity to another entity to another individual to a corporation to a trust, doesn't matter. No. You're so fast. It's the real estate that gets attached with the tax.
[02:46:13] Unknown:
So I find that very I find that very hard to believe
[02:46:17] Unknown:
that that was successful.
[02:46:18] Unknown:
Yeah. I don't know. He he didn't say if it was or not. And, you know, this person is, this person is, a shady type of person. So, I would never, you know, I I would never have him do anything for me at all, but it was just something that he had mentioned on a call that he has on, free calls in the evenings and stuff like that. He does these calls to become like, a sovereign like Roger does, but, like, he literally turns your returns your, Social Security number back into the Social Security Administration and all these weird things. So, you know, I met him before I knew about Roger, and I didn't do anything with him just because of the way he was doing things. It just didn't sound right to me, but that was one of the things that he mentioned. So I didn't know if that was something that you thought was doable or not. I I don't think so. I think I had a few people that kind of initially worked, but they didn't know what to do. Doable which I usually works.
[02:47:09] Unknown:
Anyway, my voice is about shot. I've been talking for almost three hours. Thank you. Oh, you're welcome, Julie. And, I think I'm gonna turn it back to you guys, and and, hope hope, today was good information that you can use. Again, if you if you want the information about our I hate it. Association, you can email me at strawman@markallcaps.com, and I'll I'll forward you more information. So, anyway, I hope everybody has a great day, and You guys are looking good on a Saturday.
[02:47:44] Unknown:
Pardon me? I like to mention what I know about Steve Emerson. I'm in Florida. He tried to help me, and we did not succeed. And I asked him, what his address was so I could look him up, and he wouldn't provide it. So I'm not sure that he really did that.
[02:48:05] Unknown:
Do you know what city what do you know what city he lives in?
[02:48:10] Unknown:
He's in, like, the Orlando
[02:48:13] Unknown:
area. He won't give his act. No problem. No problem. There's I'm a paralegal. There's ways around a bunch of stuff.
[02:48:20] Unknown:
So Could you mention If it's his real name,
[02:48:23] Unknown:
if it's his real name, I can promise you I can find this property or find him.
[02:48:29] Unknown:
Hey, Mark?
[02:48:32] Unknown:
Yes, Larry.
[02:48:33] Unknown:
Hey. I've mentioned this to Roger before. You gotta really weigh out your situation because in my situation, I pay about $1,400 in property taxes, but that includes free garbage pickup, free recycling pickup, free yard trash pickup, your ambulance, police, and fire services. Yep. And, you know, if I had to pay all that out of pocket, it'd be over a thousand dollars a year.
[02:49:04] Unknown:
Yeah. And the only thing I have a gripe about on all that, Larry, I'm kinda in agreement with you, is the schools. 60 of our property taxes in Oklahoma go to education. And if you don't have children or your children are, you know, out of high school or out of school, then why are you continuing to have to pay that? So, you know, it's it's basically communism. That's a communist payment for, education system that's educating kids to be against their parents. And hopefully, we're gonna turn that tide and and make it more about learning and and proper education instead of social engineering. So, anyway but I that point is well taken. I I thought that the other day, I was driving down the highway, and We got all now we got our problems with roads and such. You know, Oklahoma's pretty bad about road maintenance, but that's changing a little bit. But all the all the the bar ditches and the sides of this highway were all, you know, mowed and clean. And and I was like, you know, my money, my my money that I pay for gasoline or diesel, those taxes help go to pay for the main maintenance of the road. So there's certain infrastructures and services that we do receive that, you know, we pay taxes on.
And property tax, like you said, pretty good. My only exception is the education. There might be a few other I'm not aware of, but that education portion that takes up over half of our property taxes,
[02:50:42] Unknown:
egregious to me. So, anyway, with that, I wanna bid you guys a deal. Yeah. Once the camel's nose is under the tent, then what? You know, I mean, here in the nineteen fifties, they started, you know, permitting for building, and it was like $50. Well, now you can figure out about a hundred thousand.
[02:51:05] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. That's true. Alright. I'll be here by What's the rest? Mark?
[02:51:12] Unknown:
Mark? Yes. This is Jesse. I'm gonna put in the chat room. He gives evidence when the where a trillion dollars have been stolen from education property taxes. And he's he puts it on Google Drive and everything. So I'm gonna put it there. I'm gonna put the YouTube channel. I forget his name. But, I'm gonna put it on the in the chat room. But,
[02:51:33] Unknown:
are you Hey, Jesse. And I think you probably got that. They've been stealing everything over a trillion dollars. I agree. Jesse, do you know about chat and go? We have a a chat and go place that you can post as well. Like like, once I leave, close FCC, I can't get your notes again. But if you go to let's see. Hang on. Are you hang on a second. I'll just text it or I'll I'll put it in chat. You mean, Chatango? Yes. Yes. It's number two Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm radio ranch at Chatango, or some people say Chat and Go Com.
And I just put it I sent it to you directly. Let me put it in general. Yeah. I'm I'm familiar with it. I'll probably want to. So if if you'll post it out there as well, I can go pick it up later as well. Okay.
[02:52:24] Unknown:
Hey, Mark.
[02:52:25] Unknown:
Hang on just a moment. Rio Ranch, what we call it? Chat board, I guess. Alright. Yeah. Larry?
[02:52:40] Unknown:
Yeah. There was a lady that was talking about international trust. I've never heard of such a thing. Maybe she was referring to foreign trusts. You know, I I think there's some students that have foreign trust and they get an assigned EOBN number. Yeah. Yeah.
[02:52:57] Unknown:
Aren't they called foreign granter trusts?
[02:53:01] Unknown:
I don't know what the title is, but I know they use it for, like, the w a b e n, and they create a foreign trust. And it it helps them with some or they use it, I should say. They use it for filing for certain things with The United States.
[02:53:19] Unknown:
Private Or does your does your private trust use an EIN number?
[02:53:25] Unknown:
If only if it needs to. I would rec I would recommend getting one so that you can open up a bank account, non interest bearing bank account, and fund your trust.
[02:53:40] Unknown:
The the international trust to protect you outside of US because it's outside jurisdiction, and if they were to try to reveal your assets and stuff, if you're out of the country, then it makes it more difficult so you can move it around your countries.
[02:53:54] Unknown:
I sent Mark Well, it has to be a literature. Industry.
[02:53:57] Unknown:
They have conferences, and they give me their information and literature. And I was reading it, and that's pretty much what they're doing. Right. So I'm
[02:54:06] Unknown:
Right. So there may be some some people might have a need for using that, you know, but what I'm what I'm teaching right now is just people within the 50 states that that have a need for estate planning and to protect their property and to have it properly dispersed to the beneficiaries according to their wishes, which will be put inside of the written document, the trust, which is actually called the constitution of the trust. So that's all I'm talking about. Outside of that, I don't know. My focus has always been on estate planning for Americans. If if you're needing a foreign trust or whatever outside of that, I would find a professional that deals in that area.
[02:54:53] Unknown:
Hey, Mark. You're welcome.
[02:54:56] Unknown:
Hey, Mark? Yeah. Who's talking? I can barely hear you. The yeah. I'm sorry. Can you hear me now?
[02:55:03] Unknown:
You're pretty faint. Go ahead.
[02:55:05] Unknown:
Okay. It might be my headset. Is that also with an American National as well, or is it National can you do a trust?
[02:55:16] Unknown:
Yeah. National could do a trust. That's not a problem. This is a common law trust. Anybody can do a common law trust whether whether a US citizen or a national. Not a problem. Okay. Okay. Great.
[02:55:28] Unknown:
And, I my name is Paul, and, I may have just reached out to you recently via email.
[02:55:36] Unknown:
I'm not sure if you your name. I'm I'm I'm trying to catch up on some of my emails.
[02:55:42] Unknown:
Okay. No problem. I think I sent it to straw man. Is that Oh, yeah. Would that be your email? Yeah. I I remember, Paul. Yeah. I remember. Yes. Okay. Yeah. I remember you now. If you ever get a chance, I would like to discuss that with you in a little further detail, maybe over the phone or something.
[02:55:59] Unknown:
K.
[02:56:00] Unknown:
Okeydoke. Alright. Thanks, Mark. I appreciate it. I learned a lot today.
[02:56:04] Unknown:
You're very welcome, Paul. Okay, everyone. I'm done. It's, almost three hours, and, I hope everybody enjoys their weekend. If need anything, you got my email address, strawmanmarkallcaps dot com. It's strawmanmarkallcaps dot com. It doesn't have to be capitalized, but that's, that's the email address.
[02:56:26] Unknown:
Bless you, Mark.
[02:56:28] Unknown:
Alright. Thank you, Samuel. Thank you, everyone. Everybody have a great weekend. We'll talk to you next time. Thank you very much. You're very welcome. My pleasure. Everybody have a great weekend. We'll talk to you next time. Bye bye.
[02:56:41] Unknown:
Yes. Okay. I got a question for the group. Does anybody know what color tie does Donald Trump always wear and why?
[02:56:53] Unknown:
Nobody?
[02:56:55] Unknown:
Hi, Dave. How you doing, Robbie? You're working with Yahoo.
[02:56:59] Unknown:
Hi, Dave. It's Robbie. Red? Hi, Robbie. Yeah. Red. Red. But I did see him with a gold tie recently.
[02:57:08] Unknown:
Well, hang on. So red tie, Donald Trump always wears a red tie, and and does anyone know why?
[02:57:18] Unknown:
Tell us why, Dave.
[02:57:20] Unknown:
Because it represents power. Has anybody seen the videos? Now I personally haven't seen them, but I take it on good authority. The the people that told me they saw it, I believe them. When Donald Trump was meeting with Satan Yahoo, uncle Ben, do you know what color tie he wore in that meeting? It's on video.
[02:57:48] Unknown:
It was gold. Blue. Gold. Oh, yeah. Light blue. I saw it. Yeah. Light blue. A blue tie.
[02:57:56] Unknown:
Star glitter blue. Tie nothing Yahoo was wearing.
[02:58:01] Unknown:
Red?
[02:58:02] Unknown:
Yes. Red. Now I understand Yahoo was giggling and laughing and smiling through the whole video, the whole meeting. And you guys know about symbolism and stuff, hand signals and, you know, with the the Kabbalas and all that. There were some hand signaling going on between the two of them. Check it out. Look at the videos, and and then let let me know or the group let let us know what you thought of that. Where do you get the videos?
[02:58:37] Unknown:
Where do you get the videos? Sorry for interrupting.
[02:58:40] Unknown:
I I I'm not sure if you you can Google meeting between Trump and Netanyahu where Trump says he's gonna America's gonna take over Gaza and build it into the Middle Eastern, Riviera, and and they're gonna own it and all that. And they're moving out 1,800,000, Palestinians to some beautiful homes outside of their own homeland.
[02:59:06] Unknown:
Thank you. That video. Yeah. But nobody's nobody's gonna take them, Dave. Why don't you save us the trouble and tell us what you think? Is it Masonic? Hand signals
[02:59:16] Unknown:
the hand signals Donald Trump was was throwing upside down pyramid hand signals, which represents submissive or vaginas, and Netanyahu was was throwing the the the up the right side up pyramid which represents power or a penis. And you can look those up. I'm not making it up. I didn't make it up. It is out there. So check it out and, you know, see for yourself. I appreciate the time. I yield.
[02:59:58] Unknown:
I got it. I got a request if if Tom d's on. Is Tom d on?
[03:00:04] Unknown:
Okay. Is Lady Linda on?
[03:00:06] Unknown:
Yes. I'm here.
[03:00:08] Unknown:
Yes. Hi, Lady Linda. George, Idaho. I remember you mentioned something about a 98, type of trust that you were mentioning. Do you, I didn't I didn't mention it, but,
[03:00:21] Unknown:
that would be the 98 number that I would use as my, EIN as pretty. She calls it an international trust. I call it a foreign trust, but that would be the EIN number that I would use.
[03:00:34] Unknown:
Did you use a particular website to help you navigate some of the I don't know if you heard of Divine, he said now, but, there's a website out there that gets into a lot of different filings. And I don't know if you had a particular teacher. I don't think Roger teaches on that. Hey, Yield. Yeah. Josh, I did this, in, I think, 2023
[03:00:54] Unknown:
or 2022. And, I had a mentor in my office by my side. I'm not prepared to teach anybody. My spirit of confidence, when I call the IRS, there's a special number to call. And, the way I executed myself, I got it bada boom bada bang. But I it's from what I hear from testimonies, it's not an easy thing. Maybe Preeti has more education knowledge that she would like to share, but I I don't have that knowledge secured enough the teacher. Oh, Julie. Yes. I yield to Julie.
[03:01:32] Unknown:
Yeah. So, are are you looking to create your own trust right now?
[03:01:38] Unknown:
I already have a trust, but I was looking at, I have to get the website.
[03:01:46] Unknown:
How to get the okay. So are you looking you said you're looking to get the web website. If if anybody's looking to create a trust and you need one, like, right now and you need one ASAP, you can get one for free on rocketlawyer.com. And if you're looking to get educated about trust, you can go on rocketlawyer.com and they educate you there. But the simplest way to get an irrevocable trust on your pocket lawyer is to sign up for a free seven day trial and then, put your name in as the grantor, put your name in as the trustee, and then figure out your kid or somebody to put into a beneficiary and, answer pretty much no to everything on there because the more you answer yes, it complicates matters and then you just go to the IRS website and you get an EIN number and that is going to be a statutory trust. I'm just saying that right now just for protection purposes, if you needed one right now.
[03:02:49] Unknown:
And Did you have to use a Social Security number?
[03:02:52] Unknown:
You would get an EIN number from the IRS for that particular statutory trust. Did you have to use a Social Security number to do to do it? So that when you did your No. Because the trust the trust is its own entity. So you would be the trust is not you. It's a separate entity. So you'd have a EIN number from the actual IRS website, which would make it statutory. But if you did irrevocable, like Mark is saying, instead of a revocable trust, that has more protections to it in terms of people not being able to pierce it. So for example, if you just wanted to take your go to a bank and get your bank account out of your name into a trust so that it's not in your name anymore, that would be an example of something that you could do, you know, now while we're waiting for Mark to set up the private membership association and stuff like that because, you know, you can make changes to an irrevocable trust and if you are the actual trustee of the irrevocable trust, you can take monies out of it and stuff like that.
But if you can wait, I would wait until Marcus. But if you guys wanna go educate yourself about trust terms and common law trust, there's a website called sagaciousassetprotection.com and it's out of Australia. I would not recommend using her at all, but the education on her website is incredible and they are thirty minute videos followed by an hour of Q and A and you can learn a lot by the questions that are asked and the answers that she gives, at least for starters, so you have a little bit of a heads up before Mark starts his group. And it's spelled s a g a c I sagacious asset protection, and then it's .com.
And there's just so many incredible videos on there. I mean, I think Mark would be in alignment with a lot of them. Maybe not all of them but pretty much most of them. Again, she's an entity. She's out of Australia anyway. So, I mean, I think everybody would agree that it's probably better to do, you know, this stuff with Mark since he has a much better in-depth knowledge. But the videos are extremely helpful just from an education standpoint just to get, like, the basic stuff.
[03:05:13] Unknown:
May I, Lady Linda Louise, George, to answer your question, I did not use an SS number. That is the value of the foreign EIN number. You do not surrender your SS number.
[03:05:29] Unknown:
Great. Yeah. That's fine. Thank you. Thank you, Luis. That's wethepeopleshareholders.com was the thing I was looking at, and I that they've said, yeah, don't. And so better to call the IRS and to submit forms or whatnot. So Yeah. I appreciate it. Thank you. How are you?
[03:05:49] Unknown:
Comments. Trust in this country really didn't exist before 1860. And when you were born, you were born into a trust. And as a national, you're removing yourself from that trust. Now everybody's talking about wanting to get one. You have to think about that. Thank you, Samuel. Quick comment for David and everybody else. The doge of the Venetian times wore a red hat. It looked kinda like a nipple on the top and it was red. And, that hat is also on the marine corps emblem and I think five or six states, the Doge hat. It's not a Doge hat. It was appropriated by the Doge.
I forget the name of the hat, but, just wanted to let you know the the red hat of the Doge is is on the Marine Corps and other states' emblems, a yield.
[03:06:59] Unknown:
Good information today.
[03:07:01] Unknown:
This is Paul. And I just wanted to bring up that Brandon Joe Williams website has a lot of the information about, how to set up the EIN numbers, how to do the prep, start these out, templates that he's done on those for the thread around. Just something to look at. And Brett might correct me,
[03:07:27] Unknown:
so I wanna say one of the marine emblems, not the. In 1850 was the first time that this congress passed law that allowed limited liability just before the civil war. And then after the civil war, you end up with the first trust being created. Prior to that, we were able to live fine without to you.
[03:07:53] Unknown:
I hope you're well.
[03:08:02] Unknown:
Would you say that the US constitution was a trust?
[03:08:06] Unknown:
Sure. You can probably say that. It's a corporation. But a lot of things in the constitution were changed, prior to the Civil War and of course overturned after the civil war and during it. As far as I'm concerned, we're in a state of martial rule. We don't I mean, look what our President is doing. He's a pretty good example of what the kind of power Lincoln took and started to wield.
[03:08:43] Unknown:
I would concur and add that book of the hundreds again. Thank you for that. That really gives the the historic details of what was happening during that time. The the original plantations and all were set up probably with some kind of a trust document with the King and the plantation owners and all when the BH Discovery or the takeover of whoever was here was going on. So it's like you say, how do you pull off that superstructure of the fourteenth Amendment idea of trust and still operate with
[03:09:25] Unknown:
Well, trust were predominant in England and they were trying to inject that over here. One of the guys who was completely against him was Jefferson. And he spoke a lot about it and he hated the commerce laws that England was using to subjugate the colonies. And of course, that's the same commerce law we have today. That was one of the things that got overturned when we lost the protections of Swift versus Tyson and ended up with Erie Railroad. We lost the common law at the federal level. And these are parts of the thing that Bruce talks about as being, you know, those three sides of the fence to block us in.
Well, Roger has his three. Bros would say Swift versus Tyson, the fourteenth amendment, and the confiscation of gold. Concur.
[03:10:25] Unknown:
What was Swift versus Tyson about?
[03:10:28] Unknown:
About protecting the individual and commerce.
[03:10:32] Unknown:
You know what year it was?
[03:10:34] Unknown:
Eighteen forty two, I think. Yeah. Guessing that comes to mind.
[03:10:42] Unknown:
Versus
[03:10:44] Unknown:
you said It was law for ninety years. It was law for ninety years. And when Erie Railroad came in, I think that was again another setup supreme court trial because the guy they brought in was a citizen, so he didn't have the protection to Swift versus Tyson.
[03:11:02] Unknown:
Wow. This flimflam is is shell game or whatever you wanna can't call it. It's complicated. It's almost like you reverse engineering to try to figure it out, I guess.
[03:11:18] Unknown:
Yeah. When you read Broad's piece on the Republic, the house that nobody lives in, he really he really looks at private law versus and public policy versus public policy and private law. And that's hard to get your head around. And that's really what happened is basically all of this new law is somebody else's churchy opinion about how you're supposed to live your life. And if they say they got 51% of the people that say it's law, it's law. Well, before all this equity law, we we didn't have that. The individual was it, You know? Yeah.
And the 10 amendments were it. And I think we gotta be careful that when we enter into trust, we use EIN numbers. We use, commercial code, you know, for protection, etcetera. I think we are walking on the line of serving two masters, and that's for both, you know.
[03:12:30] Unknown:
If I may.
[03:12:32] Unknown:
Please.
[03:12:35] Unknown:
So probably in biblical time, they lived a hundred and twenty or two hundred or nine hundred years. And then all of a sudden, man got involved and people were dying off after about sixty years. And the next family member died on the same birthday or the same death day, sixty years later, and people just started getting used to that. So that's why I think when you said it next ninety years, when they make these contracts only go ninety years, the people have already been judged for thirty, so nobody's gonna claim it. I yield.
[03:13:16] Unknown:
Yeah. Didn't they, grossed or you're born civilly dead? Let me read this. It may come to a surprise to realize that your will was probate the day you were born. Yes. It's true. The very day you were born by accident into The United States is the day you died to the law of the republic. In other words, by operation of law, you were born into the corporate municipal legislative democracy of Washington, DC, which is a trust.
[03:13:47] Unknown:
What what, what that's Protes? What book?
[03:13:52] Unknown:
USA, the Republic, the house that no one lives in.
[03:13:57] Unknown:
Do you remember what page it was?
[03:14:00] Unknown:
Yeah. I got it open. It's, 45 Under your will was probated. In other words, you you were you never had any will. It was done for you. And as nationals, we're pulling ourselves out of that. Yet my my warning here, and it's my it is my opinion, is that you're entering back. You're actually, pulling down your national status when you're using any of their benefits, and I think trusts are one of them. Now if Mark is talking about something non statutory that actually sits outside of that, okay. Maybe. But I just wanna put the warning there for people just for that reason.
[03:14:54] Unknown:
May I?
[03:14:56] Unknown:
Yeah. Okay.
[03:14:57] Unknown:
This is Julie here. So this is one thing that that other guy does. He does do common law trusts and he has said a million times that after you put together a common law trust, the minute you go to the IRS website and you, and you fill out fill out whatever you have to fill out to get, an EIN number for your trust, you just immediately took that trust from a common law trust into a statutory trust because you basically in essence, are contracting with the IRS. And so I totally understand a hundred percent where you're coming from there. What and and that's why this guy, he's not even a lawyer, but he just does common law trust, but he charges way too much money for them, but Mark probably has so the reason why Mark does that is because if you need a bank account, then you can't open up a bank account at a bank without some sort of Social Security number or a trust ID number. Now this individual, what he does is he forms a common law trust, he does not file anything, He gets no EIN number from the IRS website at all. And what he does in order to get open a bank account, he gets an LLC from South Dakota. This is what Roger was talking about today.
There's three states, South Dakota, Wyoming, and I think it's Nevada. They offer protection where you can actually get an LLC and it doesn't it's not associated with your Social Security Number in any way, shape, or form. It's a different EI number that does not associate with your name and as long as you hire a registered agent for that particular LLC that you form, then nobody knows that you're the owner of that LLC. And so then what this guy does is he does a management agreement between the common law trust that doesn't have any number associated with it and then the LLC, there's a management agreement where the LLC, takes in the funds on behalf of the trust.
And it's some sort of management ownership, some sort of agreement there where and I can't remember what the paperwork looks like, but otherwise, I agree with you with respect to as soon as you get your you start using your Social Security number or contracting with the IRS, your your as Mercka said, we're not really living in the private anymore. We're back in the public in some way, shape, or form. I yield.
[03:17:45] Unknown:
When I'm not sure I'm speaking even right here because I'm in Mark's case, if he's doing this non statutory trust, is he also involving an EIN number in that?
[03:18:03] Unknown:
I I think that he I think if he stated that if you need a bank account, for that particular trust, then he gets he he does get a number. But and, you know, I I and I think the lady who is does these trusts with the cat sagacious asset protection over in Australia. She also does go get a number as well if my memory serves me correctly. But I I mean, that's the only way you can get a bank account, but I think there's still a way for you to operate in the private because as Mark stated on the phone, you're not giving a copy of that private document to anybody. Nobody gets to see that document and as Mark stated, if they ask for it, then you're at the wrong bank. They may ask for what's called a certificate of trust authenticity. I can't remember the actual name for it that certifies that the trust is in existence and it has a has a EIN number associated with it to open up a bank account, but what the way Mark was explaining it, you don't ever give a copy of that private document and it doesn't get photocopied by the bank, or, you know, if you're at Fidelity or Charles Schwab or one of those brokerages. Otherwise, you're at the wrong place.
[03:19:21] Unknown:
By yield. Yes,
[03:19:23] Unknown:
that would bother me. But anyway, if you're a national and you want to open a bank account and you want to stay out of commerce, what Brost says is, you have to have a non interest bearing account that keeps you out of the fourteenth amendment and you have to any transactions over state lines, you should pay with the postal money order. I wish he got into more detail about the whys and wheres about that, but I guess you can sort of extrapolate what he's why he's saying that, but, because it's going into interstate commerce, right, once you go over state lines.
[03:20:11] Unknown:
Yeah. These these people that do these common law trusts and everything, the only thing they accept are money order, the United States post office, and, and that's it. No other or you can mail, silver or gold coins to pay for stuff. They don't accept any form of credit card or any sort of other source of payment.
[03:20:32] Unknown:
Do they still take a Social Security number though to open up the account? That's the non interest bearing?
[03:20:40] Unknown:
They still require a Social Security number for that. Yeah.
[03:20:45] Unknown:
K.
[03:20:46] Unknown:
Hey, Julie? Is that Julie? Yeah.
[03:20:51] Unknown:
I heard you brought in into one of the shows, no till. And, do you, do you know what, the what benefits are for using that possibility benefits?
[03:21:14] Unknown:
Benefits for what again? I'm sorry, could you repeat yourself please?
[03:21:20] Unknown:
What possible benefits with the no no till, n u l?
[03:21:26] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. The no till the no t l, n u l t I e l records. So if you're in court and, the judge asks you how you plea, and he's going to say, How do you plea guilty or not guilty? And instead of saying that, you say, Judge, for the record, I plead null TL record. And what that means in legal terms is no such record exists. There is no such record. And the judge is going to get mad and say, I'm asking you how you plead. That's not a plea. If you plead guilty or not guilty and you say, again, for the record, record, Judge, my plea is no TL record. I want I want that stated on the record. He will get up and get off of his bench. He'll be very upset and and he'll enter a plea for you. What it will do is you say, I'm going to enter a not guilty plea. And then what you say is, Judge, are you practicing, law on the bench or are you rendering a judicial decision? He will get very angry and the last person that did this, the case got dismissed because he doesn't want that on the record, and he doesn't want people knowing that. You can move wherever.
[03:22:39] Unknown:
Wherever you need.
[03:22:41] Unknown:
I think there's background.
[03:22:46] Unknown:
That might be me. Sorry.
[03:22:49] Unknown:
Does that make any sense?
[03:22:53] Unknown:
Yes.
[03:22:56] Unknown:
It's spelled n as in Nancy, u as in umbrella, l as in Lucy, space, t as in Tom, I as in idiot, e as in elephant, and l, null, t I t l, and then record just like a record a record player.
[03:23:16] Unknown:
Okay. I think I found something on YouTube about it. I haven't had a chance to watch it yet. I had some friends just bring over some chicken noodle soup, and I already finished almost almost two courts. And now I'm sweating my I'm sweating my, you know, wet off.
[03:23:38] Unknown:
And I figured I might have a maybe March has got over.
[03:23:44] Unknown:
And I'm supposed to go to court on Tuesday. So yeah.
[03:23:51] Unknown:
I would I don't know. I would try it. You don't have anything to lose. If you have to go and he's gonna ask you for a plea, the Nolteil rec for the record, I'd like this reflected in the record. My plea is Nolteil record.
[03:24:05] Unknown:
Spell that again.
[03:24:08] Unknown:
N as in Nancy, u as in umbrella, L as in Lucy. I'm gonna look it up here right now. Let me see here. Null t l record. I'm gonna go on the Internet right now and look this up. And you know right here. T I l. Yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead.
[03:24:29] Unknown:
Yeah. It's a plea which is most amazing.
[03:24:36] Unknown:
Yeah. It basically is a plea that So do they It it denies the existence of the claim because you're not facing your accuser in court. We're supposed to we're supposed to face our accuser in court and you're supposed to have harm to that person and you didn't harm anybody in traffic court. That goes back to all this driving versus traveling stuff where when you're driving and you speed and you haven't hurt anybody, you're not if you're not conducting commerce, you're traveling and there should be no ticket. So no TL record just means that there's no such record that exists and it really it denies the existence of any claims and it will piss the judge off and then you definitely want to add for the record, I have a question before he leaves. Are you practicing law from the bench or are you rendering a judicial decision, and you can go to American jurisprudence online and look that up. But judges don't like that. The last one my friend did got dismissed because of that plea.
[03:25:42] Unknown:
Yes. Thank you again for bringing that forward. Yeah. Thank you. I just wanted everybody to know that it is a plea. We're led to believe that there's only three pleas, guilty, not guilty, or, no contest. This one is different. And I think it does, you know, and it goes to the root of jurisdiction,
[03:26:02] Unknown:
I guess. And if and if you and and Sherry's right. If you go to LSD, l as in Lucy, s as in Sam, d as in dog, LSD Law, It specifically states on here that is a legal term that means no such record and it is a plea. It's a plea that denies the existence of the record on which the plaintiff bases their claim. And so, they don't like that. It's basically a plea which puts an issue the existence of record upon which an opposing party relies. And so it really it is it's a plea and they're gonna be upset because most people don't know to enter that. But you can go on, Google.
I can't remember where what it is and see press the button on how you're supposed to pronounce that because I'm sure I'm pronouncing that wrong. Just like I pronounced Ceptuit, Ceptuit, trust wrong, that French term. I'm sure I'm pronouncing this wrong so that you sound like you really know what you're talking about when you go to court. I yield.
[03:27:10] Unknown:
I I would suggest if you're a Christian that you get a copy of Randy Lee's encounter with the court.
[03:27:17] Unknown:
How do you get that?
[03:27:19] Unknown:
I think it's on the matrix stocks or somebody maybe can post it. I can't do that for you, but it's short and sweet. And basically, I think he has a statement in here where he's destroying their paperwork. I can read that for you real quick, which would be the same thing as saying, you know, you really don't have anything here. He says this is what he says. I have responded to this petition because it was found on my on the door of my place where I take up housekeeping and attempts to create a power a colorable persona under a colorable law by the name of the upper case name. He gets he he points that out, which is on the paperwork.
The artifice being used here to deceive the honorable court must be abated as a public nuisance. And he gets into other points, which are this is all on, like, a half a page. And in the bottom here, the, the the court asking, alright. You know? I mean, what do you say to this prosecutor? And the prosecutor says, well, your honor, mister Jones, you're seems to think that if you spell your name in upper and lower case, it relieves them of compliance. And the court says, thank you, mister Roth. That's the prosecutor. Please call the next case.
[03:28:55] Unknown:
That's beautiful. They're they're creating the public nuisance. Love it.
[03:29:00] Unknown:
And the most important part of it, it's not this page where the conversation goes on. There's two pages to this or I think three. The most important page after reading what happened in court is Randy Lee's explanation about what he was doing. And he didn't get into just a regular special visitation either. He he brought the Lord into it because this is from the book of the hundreds guy, you know, this is really, you know, Christian law. He says, for the record, Randy Lee and Jesus the Christ advocate and wonderful counselor are using the right of visitation to exercise ministerial powers to be heard on this matter.
[03:29:50] Unknown:
The network of the hundred, Julie, talks to the foundation of how the law was Christian before Lincoln overturned it. Are you?
[03:29:57] Unknown:
So I thought it would be a good idea to look up, please. I found one site that says there's five. Guilty, not guilty, no contest, Alford plea, and a standby plea. Doesn't mention the null tier, which I say that's where our word nullity comes from. So, anyway, I thought it was interesting that, they cite five types of pleas, but not null tier. I yield.
[03:30:30] Unknown:
Sherry, go over those other two, please. Standard and something else.
[03:30:35] Unknown:
No. Stand by and an Alford plea. An Alford plea when you Read the definitions, please. Okay. An Alford plea is when you maintain your innocence, but recognizing that the prosecution has enough, evidence in which to convict you. Let me go to standby because it's a little excuse me. A little different. Standby plea is another less common type of plea that involves a defendant entering a guilty or no contest plea while maintaining the right to appeal specific legal issues. So we would never wanna use that. I yield.
[03:31:17] Unknown:
Can I apologize? Can you give me the spelling on that, typoplia, the notier notier plea?
[03:31:26] Unknown:
N u l, and it's two words. Second word is tier, t I e r. No. It's l. It's l it's l chair. L. I don't know why I keep putting an r on the end. I yield. I apologize and yield.
[03:31:44] Unknown:
Basically, it says right here, the meaning of null TL record is a plea alleging the record on which the action is founded does not exist. And this goes all the way back to, that website I told you guys about before called, awarriorcalls.com, where Christopher James out of Canada has basically said that he tries to use these, things he puts pen to the paper before he goes into a court and tries to get it dismissed because you basically have a right to face your accuser and the courts don't like this. And so you claim the wrong of trespass and you tell the court that you're there to accept all verified claims of trespass, which include fraud, theft, wrong harm, physical breach of contract, and that's the one word that trespass identifies everything.
And so you're basically telling them unless the courts can claim that you are a property or that you have a contract with them on the private side as a man or a woman that you are their property or that you have a contract with the service corporation that they are acting through that you are property, then there is no court. And so that brings in the no the plea of the no TL record that you plead to the judge because it you have to be I can't talk today for some reason but when any man or woman answers no to those three questions above, then even if they put the paper in front of you, you ask them and tell them who wrote this document, where is the verified claim that I trespassed causing wrong or harm? And so they don't like that.
Like I said, go to awarriorcalls.com. There's a lot of, documents up there that you can use and you can customize for your own situation and send it in the mail before your court case to try to basically resolve this so that it gets dropped before you even go. And you just basically they're stuck in there like writing like I'm trying to settle this on the private side. Is there a verified claim, that I require, produced as evidence to establish a court first and foremost or if there's no contract that a man or woman claimed that a debt be due true or past due, then that only leaves somebody involved in this belief that I'm property and then hit them with the three questions above. Unless that they can claim that your property or you have a contract with them on the private side or on the service corporation side and there is no court.
I hope I didn't confuse people, but, Christopher James explains it way way, better than I do on his website. His website is incredible.
[03:34:39] Unknown:
What's that website?
[03:34:42] Unknown:
It's a warrior, w a r r I 0 r, calls, c a l l, s as in sunny, Com.
[03:34:54] Unknown:
Now the court is not the building or the judge. You're the prosecutor. It's the paperwork. And, basically, if you're opposing the paperwork, and I would start with the name. The name is not you. It's not a Christian name. You're not there. There's no Christian on the docket. You can tell the judge that.
[03:35:17] Unknown:
Yep.
[03:35:21] Unknown:
Because a lot of people believe that as soon as you start an argument with them, they take jurisdiction. So, basically, you can't refute your name directly, but what you can do is say that, there's no Christian on the docket. I'm a Christian. Of course, that'll be testing your faith a little bit, won't it? This is Carlo in Utah. I think my next
[03:35:49] Unknown:
next time I get forced into court, I'm only gonna write
[03:35:55] Unknown:
very short,
[03:35:58] Unknown:
notices to the court, in a way that makes it difficult for them to refute. But also, my last experience in the court, they said I've already read what you've you've written. They never responded, but they were very it was very anti to me. I mean, it was I should've refused them. I got a little flustered, my fault. And you know when I went into court, before the traffic stop I didn't have my passport guard yet it was still in the mail. And so that was my contract. And for me it's just about studying to be stronger out of the court and in the court and mine ended up mine was just cheap one, you know, a small ticket. It was hundred dollars is court by court.
The court fined me. I just wasn't gonna apply to much more for family purposes.
[03:37:08] Unknown:
If I may?
[03:37:09] Unknown:
No permission needed.
[03:37:11] Unknown:
So I have a friend that drove a trailer and, you know, had a, CDL license for forty years. And they're saying that he can't drive. They won't, update his license until he does some, you know, evaluation. So he's just kind of sitting and waiting, you know, for permission. And so I said, why don't you get a passport international traveler's card? And he objects to that. So what would be a way to communicate the benefit or the reason why we want to have a traveler's card at over 60 years old, I yield?
[03:37:58] Unknown:
Well, the traveler's card won't they don't accept it in The United States. So it's not going to be valid here anyway.
[03:38:07] Unknown:
So he can't use a traveler's, passport card?
[03:38:12] Unknown:
Not for here. For other countries, yes. At least that's my understanding. You can get on the website and look up the traveler's card and see where it's usable.
[03:38:29] Unknown:
So the passport book says that you cannot be detained and if for any reason that you are you know, needing assistance, they're supposed to assist you. So that's what it says on the passport. So you're saying you'd have to have a passport non travelers card. I call it the travelers. Okay. Let me clear
[03:38:49] Unknown:
this up, please. I think I was misunderstanding. I thought you said the international passport or I don't even know the international driver's license. I thought that's what you're talking about.
[03:39:00] Unknown:
Well, I do like to refer to it as if you have a passport card, you can use that anywhere as an international traveler's card because people just don't understand the difference between having a driver's license. Okay. Go ahead. Can I tell them? I'm making pizza. So the difference between a driver's license where we have permission and the right to have a passport card is the right to travel. So that's how I tried to explain it to some people that have been driving for forty years and have the best driving ability, you know, but they're waiting to be approved to have a driver's license where I said, why don't you get an international driver's card?
[03:39:48] Unknown:
And I misunderstood. I I I thought you were talking about the international driver's license, which is a separate document, and that one is only valid in other countries, not in The US.
[03:40:04] Unknown:
Okay. So you do say then that we should have a driver's permit,
[03:40:12] Unknown:
driver's license? No. What I'm what I'm saying is there is a separate there is a card that you can subscribe to that is called exactly a international driver's license. That is not accepted in The United States, it's accepted in other countries besides The United States. And it is totally separate than the passport card, totally separate from a regular driver's license, although it uses the regular driver's license. It's
[03:40:48] Unknown:
an international driver's license, but it's not recognized in the states where it was issued?
[03:40:56] Unknown:
Yes. That sounds good.
[03:41:00] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you. And so one more question then would be, if, okay, let me let me just yield here for a second. So there's a real ID, if I may. There's a real ID, and then there's an enhanced ID. So what I understand is the real ID is just for anyone to drive. And the enhanced enhanced driver's license is for someone who wants to go over the border. Is that correct?
[03:41:33] Unknown:
Correct.
[03:41:35] Unknown:
I yield. Over the border, meaning like Canada and Mexico. I yield. Okay. I guess that answers my question. Thank you.
[03:41:44] Unknown:
Sorry. I oh, from Utah. I don't know about that stuff. I have no answer on it myself.
[03:41:52] Unknown:
This this is Rich in in Alabama. When, when I was stationed
[03:42:01] Unknown:
over in Europe and Germany,
[03:42:06] Unknown:
the only way that, military personnel were able to travel in Europe was to get issued a USRA driver's license, and you had to take this you had to take this test. Now once you took that test and and it was you passed, then what you could do is you could go down to the local German community, Sparsham, I think it was called, And you could you could get issued a international driver's license. And it it basically would correspond with your new user of driver's license, which is user of United States Army Europe driver's license. So yeah.
So if if you wanted to so basically, what you do is you have you have two licenses. You have one that you were just recognized to to travel in Europe with with the user driver's license. But then you could go down and you can get a, quote, international driver's license, which was good for the everywhere in the world. Now, to my understanding, I I hear that I I've heard that here in The United States now, when you get a passport issued to you, you can also get a, quote, international driver's license issued to you because you're you're going overseas or you're going outside of The United States.
And that that driver's license is valid outside of The United States. So I think that, I could be wrong about this, but so far as, like, being in Germany, if I was a German and I got me an international driver's license, it I probably couldn't use it for Germany if I got pulled over because I'm, you know, I'm a German. So this it would the same concept would apply here in The United States where I could use my international driver's license. Now you might be able to try it. You might be able to pull it up somewhere. And if you have your passport, with, like, four stars because, you know more than the average average, American out there about, you know, what's going on in the country and world. They they might give you four stars with the do not detain if you have, resent that passport.
So, yes, for it it seems like it whenever there's a criminal part to any of this stuff, I think the whole, since affidavit of citizenship is goes out the window. It's it's only for non non, you know, quote, serious accidents or, injuries or crimes. I yield. So real quick How long do you know that?
[03:45:59] Unknown:
USA.gov website. International driver's licenses for US citizen. If you're a travel if you are a US citizen planning to drive while traveling abroad, find out if you need an international driver's permit. And then so I'm gonna stop at that permit. And I'm gonna backtrack on my phone. And there are companies that sell international driving permit. Let's see. Give me just a second. So internationaldrivingpermit.org is where I'm at, and it states why do I need to carry why do I need to carry an IDP? How can I apply for an IDP? And it will tell you about it, but I'm pretty sure one of the things that it does not allow is it does not work in The United States because that's your issue in country.
And I don't know if it would work for especially for a commercial application, but you could surely read that. And if just just Google international driving permit. Plenty of information out there. And I have one. I picked one up through my process of what I've been doing, but I don't probably don't have any use for it myself. And solid kind of one, two, or up to three years.
[03:47:31] Unknown:
Okay. Well, thank you so much. I'll let him know that he doesn't wanna go anywhere. You know, he's traveled for forty years everywhere. He's seen everything, and he wants to get out of this world. Anyways, you know, he seems too much. So, you know, he's waiting for the, you know, the new world, not the new world. And he's waiting for, you know, the streets of gold. And so that's pretty much, you know, he's waiting for them to give him a call and say he can come in and, you know, take the test to see whatever. So I appreciate that information in regards to the, you know, whenever there's a lawful situation. So if there's a lawful situation, I did read or hear that a national cannot sue any other, so it would be any other man or woman, right? A national can have a grievance with an entity, is that correct, but not another man or woman, I yield.
Okay. And that might be, you know, not an entity. Maybe it's a corporate entity. No. I don't think so. I mean, he would have his issues with another man. Correct?
[03:48:43] Unknown:
Is that Julie? Negative. Did any did anybody, get, Mark in all caps complete email address that they could share with me?
[03:49:05] Unknown:
So, I don't know Mark's email address, but maybe I did say that backwards. So, a man and another man or woman can settle their differences, but is it true that a national cannot sue anyone else? Maybe that's the better way to say it, Ayil.
[03:49:29] Unknown:
That, I don't know the answer to that question, but it almost sounds like something that was maybe a common law tradition before the, civil war.
[03:49:44] Unknown:
I know someone was trying to sue people in their private capacity, and, the government was trying to convert it into their public capacity.
[03:49:55] Unknown:
Where was that coming from? It
[03:49:59] Unknown:
was on Sovereign Living site. Some of the work that I forget the John Daniel Joseph, I believe, was doing.
[03:50:10] Unknown:
Hey. Yeah. This is Rich in Alabama. I'm right now, I'm looking on YouTube. I've I've found this video a couple of days ago, and I think I might have seen it back in maybe 2010. And reading this and watching this guy, it seems that the information that he's putting out was part of a series of documentaries that they did about the war, what, for example, Andrew Jackson tried to accomplish when he was president and what happened after he was out of the picture when the war between the states took place and they brought it in the fourteenth amendment and then the Reconstruction Act.
This is at this I can tell it's this it's gotta be the same series. But, there's a guy who's on here. Guy's wearing a bow tie and a suit. His name is Richard I Fine, f I n e. And he he reveals how to, fight corrupt judges. And, apparently, you know, look looking up, trying to find as much information as I could on this guy, apparently, he was he was, back in the eighties, high rolling Beverly Hills District or area, attorney or lawyer. And he he tried to expose or get on the, you know, the the right path, so to say, of proper proper courts.
And, apparently, I I guess, it it didn't work what he tried to do, and they, I think they they basically took away his bar bar license, and he spent, like, a year and a half in in jail. But he, were practicing without a license, I guess, after after he lost, you know, they took it away from him, the, you know, Bar Association. And I've I've been reading some stuff on on him, and it and apparent apparently, just out of nowhere, they just dropped everything. Now I don't know if the guy's still alive. I hope he is. But, this was back in 02/2009 and, around 02/2010, I think all this stuff might have been taking place.
Now on the on YouTube, it's it's listed under William Wagner, which released this about seven years ago. But this this Richard Fine is very he's a very interesting man, and he apparently was has been trying to get as many of the citizenry out there in in the country to become aware of how corrupt the the court system is, especially in California where he was basically practicing. And and as you know, we you know, California, unfortunately, still is corrupt as can be. But, this this this man, he did he did a lot, I believe, to try to expose the corrupt, court system. And as we all know, here twenty twenty three, four, even before that with Trump, He didn't even have a chance to become president without being messed with before swearing in back in 2017.
So, I would think that even, Trump and all of his supporters should know about this and should or are right now as we speak trying to refine and correct this whole judicial system.
[03:55:02] Unknown:
This is from the book of the hundreds, under miss of the patriot movement. Since 03/09/1933, the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency. Under the powers delegated by these statutes, the president may seize property, organize and control the means of production, seize commodities, assign military forces abroad, institute martial law, seize and control all transportation and communication, regulate the operation of private enterprise, restrict travel and they're talking about travel in particular and why we really can't use that as an argument anymore.
And in a plethora of particular ways, control the lives of all American citizens. And, you know, we can see what Trump is doing right now. We might think wonderful, but truly Congress laying on its hind legs, not doing its job.
[03:56:17] Unknown:
Just like right now?
[03:56:19] Unknown:
Yes.
[03:56:21] Unknown:
Yeah. Hopefully hopefully, they're they're they're, that's going to get purged, and cleaned up. I I think, hopefully, hopefully, President Trump is gonna go after, you know, the, quote, neopons next. But it seems like, yeah, you know, I I kinda get mixed signals about, some things. I I just watched president Trump on, on YouTube here just this morning. I guess he was addressing the all the media people about the United Nations. And, heck, I remember back in 2017, he was saying one of his first goals was to get rid of that that UN building that was across the street or across the river wherever in New York from where the Trump Towers were. So, apparently, he didn't like the UN back then. And, he said that the UN now and I don't know if this is from people advising him.
He's saying that, you know, the he said The United he said The United States is a democracy. And when he said that, I'm like, oh, no. I'm like, I thought The United States is a republic. But he kept on telling all these people that, you know, The United States is a democracy. And, he said that the United Nations is, they're they're way, way off off line and out of line. And he said that it could be a productive good organization, but it's not. And it sounded like to me somebody I don't know. I just kinda get the opinion that, maybe somebody's got, you know, maybe some control over him in that regard when it has to do with the United Nations.
[03:58:33] Unknown:
I hope I'm wrong. I hope he's just giving
[03:58:36] Unknown:
the, the the the Democrats a false sense of, you know, hope or something to where he can get them to get their let their guards down even more. But with this, USA, this agency, Wow, it's finally they're finally revealing to the American people the massive money laundering that's been going on in the in the federal government ever since all these agencies were stood up by FDR. And, I even saw Jamie Ratcliffe no. Jamie Ratzkin the other day when they were all standing out going bonkers over Elon Musk, starting to do an audit and trying to find out where all the money has been going. They were raising hell out outside the capital.
And Ratzkin made the, comment about, Elon Musk thinks he's a fourth branch of government. And when I heard him say it, I'm like, no. You are. You guys are the ones that created all those agencies just like FDR said that they created a fourth branch of government. It's administrative in its scope. And that was a pamphlet that he he himself had written in 1937. And I don't know if I don't know if it's available out there anymore. I know that Ralph Winter Road had one back when he was still alive, and I guess he was, he had he had his own company worth a couple of mills. So I guess he had some some, old rare books and stuff, and I don't know what happened to all that stuff.
More than likely after he passed, the Alaska state came in and probably probably destroyed everything, made it all go away because that's what he was using to stand against the State of Alaska.
[04:01:00] Unknown:
Yes, I understand that it was Kennedy that tacked on AIDS, probably with good intention at first, right, but like everything else.
[04:01:10] Unknown:
Everybody's got to be consumer so you can print more FRNs.
[04:01:15] Unknown:
Was that a warriorcalls.com or .org or who do I remember? Hey, Samuel. Samuel, are you still listening?
[04:01:29] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm here.
[04:01:34] Unknown:
Have have you heard anything from, oh, gosh. What was his name? He used to come on all the time last year. He was he was living up in Michigan, going through divorce, I guess, or, and he was also a veteran, and he was doing he was contributing a lot of, really good information to the to the shows that Roger was given. I'm trying to think of his name. Abrams. Like, you know, Abrams tank?
[04:02:23] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Abrams.
[04:02:26] Unknown:
Yeah. Is he still around?
[04:02:28] Unknown:
Well, he tried to, you know, make a point with Roger on a number of things, and, I I guess he just got frustrated and laughed. I I don't know much about it really. I got one document from him that I like, and it's, it's about proving what a national is. But Gary, unfortunately, who is sick right now up in Montana, he owes me any copy of that one or two, three pages of, all the court cases that, regarding a national. I'd like to get a copy of that if anybody has access to it. Or if it's on the matrix docs or something, I'd like to find that. Because I wanna include that in my notices.
[04:03:21] Unknown:
I was just saying that at the same time that, Wahid was coming on a lot. And, yeah, Abraham would, I guess, get frustrated and he'd he'd pound on Waheed. So, yeah, kind of some funny stuff going on back back then.
[04:03:47] Unknown:
Yeah. Unfortunately, it was raising raising Roger's blood pressure and Abram got frustrated and that's about what came out of it, I guess.
[04:04:01] Unknown:
Oh, was it was it because was it with Wahid being, in the middle of all that? Or
[04:04:09] Unknown:
No. Roger and Abraham were, I don't know. How would I put it? It's when Christians argue about things that really aren't of importance when it comes to salvation and getting upset about it. It's really not worth it. You know what I'm saying?
[04:04:29] Unknown:
Yeah. Was it was it The US national thing or just national? Was that what is that what the whole thing was about?
[04:04:38] Unknown:
Yeah. It that was in the context of it. Yeah.
[04:04:42] Unknown:
Okay. Because I where I just came across something, about that national and US national, you know, how what's the best way to put it down and it and it sounded like the need the way it that it was explained when it's U. S. National, you're still basically saying that you're a U. S. Citizen with some or less or some are more privileges than just the regular quote US citizen. But when you call yourself a national, just a national, basically small, you know, and whatever is the other that goes back to the before the American Civil War.
[04:05:46] Unknown:
Abraham created a three page document called affidavit of citizenship evidence with exhibits, which I believe he filed in his local court, or something. I'm not sure. But it has the place here for state county of
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sworn
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signature of notary public. The commission expires. So it's a notary page that's attached to this. I don't know exactly where he filed it.
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Mhmm.
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Do you do you have do you have a point of contact to him? No.
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I I never really did. I was on some after hour talk things with him. He and I didn't particularly agree on a number of things, like the, basement, but then he found out that was true, and a few other things. Not really that important that I'm saying, but, probably the name and whether it has importance for him or not.
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You mean are you talking about surname and family name and all that kind of stuff?
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Yeah. How the how the courts bring us in through the nom de guerre.
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Nom de guerre. Now if you say that in a courtroom, you're definitely gonna get people looking at you like this guy must know what he's talking about. Nom de guerre. That's French. Correct?
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It's French or Latin. My position is Latin, and it's means war name. You know, we were declared war in that '33 thing as the enemies of the state, and I think that's why that name is used.
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Yeah. I remember president Trump. Oh, gosh. Let me try I'm trying to remember when I heard him talk about this, but I think it's last year sometime. He he was telling, you know, people that were all listening to him. He's like, can you believe they oh, that was that's where they were trying to they were trying to, I I guess, bring some kinda, I don't know if it was Stormy Daniels or it was just stuff going on up in New York State. And he made the statement. Can you believe that they're trying to bring out a law from 1917, like trading I think you might have said it was trading with the enemies act or something for that nature to bring these offenses on me.
And he didn't go into much detail after that, but he did make that statement that I think basically referred to trading with the Enies Act and have been weaponized to use against me. So so I think I think Trump definitely is getting getting the information from somewhere. And so many like that can't afford to have have, you know, really good, good opinions around. You know what I mean?
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Yeah. Well, his one of his looks like favorite presidents is Lincoln. That's sort of scary.
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Yeah. That's where this all started. I saw the bus behind. I saw him in the Oval Office, and I saw the on off onto the left was a a bust of Abraham Lincoln, but directly behind him is Andrew Jackson riding on a horse. You know? And I'm sitting there looking at it, and I'm like, wow. That's kinda like the yin and the yang right there because, you know, as we know, Andrew Jackson, he was he was fighting against the, you know, the whole new monetary system that Alexander Hamilton tried to bring in with the central banks. And I try to when I'm talking to people about history and what's going on with the country and right now, just go back and look at what Andrew Jackson tried to accomplish when he became president, and I'd let them know that he was the first president that, attempts on his life were made.
And who was behind that, conspiracy to assassinate Andrew Jackson. Once you find that out, it's gonna start to open up the, quote, you know, can of worms, so to say. Whereas once Andrew Jackson was out of the way, once he died off, like what you guys were talking about earlier, like every eighty years or so. Everybody's basically died off and there's nobody that knowledge is all gone or almost all gone. It's the same with the insurance. If I remember correctly, like the fine print on insurance policies, somewhere there it says basically your average American house is built to last about seventy years.
And if you've ever been to Europe, it's a completely different construct if you want to call it that where houses over their homes are built to last a thousand years if not longer. And usually the same family and name, is that goes with that house that was built hundreds of years earlier. The same bloodline or offspring are usually all in that house. Now I don't know how it is after World War II, a lot of people got displaced from that house that was in their name for hundreds of years. But here in The United States Americans are pretty mobile people mainly because I don't think that we don't have a culture like Europe does or probably Japan.
But because we're a mobile people, I think in those housing insurance contracts in that fine print, I did read somewhere that seven years is about the cost effectiveness of a house in The United States. And as I say over in Europe you know that those houses have been there for a long time. All you got to do is go bang on the outside of it with your fist. Those those houses are were built to fight out of as far as I'm concerned, whereas the ones here in the in The United States, they've got them around to go in one side and out the other. You know? So that goes to kind of prove my point about United States whose citizenry or people are very mobile. They don't stay in one place normally for long period of time. Now there are exceptions obviously.
I think that Mr. Hansen, Professor Hansen that lives out in California, He's fifth generation, in the same house. So, you know, there there are holdouts, which is awesome. I I I think that's what's so wonderful about, you know, The United States in that regard is people staying in the same same place where they, you know, basically are called from, you know.
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No. All the Indians are displacing all the heritage homes down south, you know, to have a tech job or whatever. So selling all these big farms to put up, McMansions, and then the Indians are coming in and buying.
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McMansions?
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Yes. Yeah. I just I just wanted to say regarding Jackson. He was the first president. I do believe that refused a federal judge order regarding the banking system because they had gotten in there and controlled the court. And, he basically he said, you know, what are you gonna do about it? I got the troops, dude. I think I think that's the showdown that's coming with Trump as well in some of these regards, which, you know, I'm not really condoning because he shouldn't have that much power, but I think it's coming.
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Now didn't didn't that same thing happen, during the, what was it, 1860 or '61 with that sign of day where, I mean, I've just heard it being talked about on on YouTube on that, one channel that this Richard I find seems to be a part of. But, yeah, I haven't officially founded any books or anything. I just heard everybody in the patriot community talking about it where, I guess it was Lincoln or somebody. I don't know if it's a sergeant in the guard or whatever, but they, they went and did they arrested all the the democrat senators or something like that, and that's where that sign of day came from?
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No. But it's covered in the book of the hundreds. If you get that, it covers the history of the country and it's got that in there.
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So were they were they blue belly federal troops that went in and arrested all the, the southern, representatives?
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Well, they they adjourned and didn't, set a date to reconvene, which dropped them out of parliamentary procedure. So there was without that date, it was they went signed to eye. And, what happened was Lincoln called a special, on as commander in chief a on July 4, a special, assembly of Congress. But, of course, you don't have the Southern states there, etcetera. So the whole thing's a mess. And a lot of people want to argue that that was the end of Congress. Congress is just a rubber stand for the power of the President since.
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Well, that was the end of the de jure republic, correct?
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Yeah.
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Wow. So then it sounds like to me, I'd I'd have a hard time believing that Abraham Lincoln just came up with all that stuff, you know, by himself. Now supposedly, I hear he was a lawyer and all, but I think the connection can be made with, the statement that supposedly Abraham Lincoln had made about having Jefferson Davis to his front. And I've got the bankers on my back, and I fear the banks more than I do Jefferson Davis. So I wonder I wonder if those are the people that, he made that statement about
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where the one Well, Davis.
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If you've got the to come in and and
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if you read the book of the hundreds, a number of the northern states wanted to get out of the union. Nobody ever talks about that. They bring that up. They were already places like Connecticut were already signed I. They were trying to get enough state to throw it so that, there there was no two thirds majority anymore, and they could, succeed. Nobody ever talked about that, and and Lincoln knew this, and he didn't want the union to go away under his rulership, his leadership. So he came up with a plan where everybody gets what they want except the South, but the union stays together.
So it's worth reading.
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So it sounds like he he had to have, obviously, some yeah. The the the mass some some big mastermind people of power behind Lincoln, not just Lincoln?
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Well, he was playing with some high voltage. That's why they I think they assassinated him in the end, you know. I think he, you know, he may have wanted reconciliation, and that wouldn't have gone over well with the money powers because they wanted to suck the tar and the bone marrow out of the cell and they did.
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Yes, Lincoln knew too much, right?
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Right. That's yes, because of that statement he made about the bankers on his back, and supposedly, he was the first president right to come out with the greenback. And with the greenbacks, he, went on ahead and had those distributed without charging interest at 30 something percent that the bankers wanted. And that's what got them to, remove him physically from the planet.
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Well, he he realized shortly after he got into a war that it was gonna bankrupt the country. So when he was looking for all kinds of schemes to raise the money, which were bonds and not just the Federal Reserve or the, the greenback, etcetera. That was one part of it. But he did all kinds of different schemes to raise the money and You know that $10.40 bond, that's where the $10.40
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comes from, right? That was interesting. I never do that in the book of them.
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Yeah. That's what they say.
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Now is there a book is there a book about sign a day and what that was all about?
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I don't know. Well, it's like I said, it's in the history of the book of the hundreds.
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Okay. Thanks, Daniel.
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And I think it's the second page in the book of the hundreds. It shows the federal proceeds from the beginning to and through the wars and how much more money the federal government has been collecting on every time we fight a war, you know their proceeds go up. I mean I think the Civil War the proceeds to the federal government were like a %. War is profitable for a lot of people. Unfortunately a lot of people get hurt. Laws get changed. Freedom is lost.
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Yeah. 2,000,000 a day. Right? Wasn't that the figure in the book of the hundreds they were talking about the how much money was being spent?
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Yes. I don't know the exact number, but I don't know if you heard me the other day. I looked at up what $500 fine was in $18.69 dollars and it's equivalent today of almost $15,000 So even though we look at those numbers, those numbers are really astronomical compared to today.
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So is there an official book of the 1 hundred's like in hardback or paperback or is it just something that
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it could be The only thing I know about it is the PDFs that you can just download.
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Right. But there are there there's no official hardback on it? I don't believe so.
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Not that I know of.
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Not even a paperback?
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No. I just sent mine off to my printer
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and have them spiral bound, and that was it.
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Now is is, Sam, you probably know this. Is Gary Allen the guy that wrote the book Non dare call it conspiracy? Is he still around?
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I don't know if he's still living, but he wrote that in 1972.
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Right. Because, I remember that I remember that book floating around. I was a little kid. I didn't really know much about it, the existence of it until it was given a copy was given to me by my dad. I grew up in California, so and my dad my dad, you know, was, for me, he was not he was a sheriff's department in San Diego. So he worked a whole bunch of different, you know, they give you a pretty much well rounded law enforcement education. So he worked in the he worked in the courtrooms for a while as a bailiff. And, I remember I got to got to see that book.
I have that paperback around here somewhere, I think, back from that, that time frame that it was that was given to me.
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Yeah. The reason I remember the date and everything is that I was reading it in my high school library, and my librarian told me I couldn't read that in her library.
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Are you serious?
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Yeah. That's how liberal Wisconsin was then already. And anybody who thinks California is crazy, well, Wisconsin ain't much ain't very far behind.
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Wow. Wow.
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Especially the closer you get to Madison.
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Yeah. I remember I remember Madison seemed to wind up in the news almost seemed like every every few years. I guess, what is there, a university there? And they they would always start getting going crazy and destroying stuff.
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Very liberal
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thinking. Where did it come from, that liberal thinking?
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Oh, probably the forty eight ers.
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So the 48ers literally came over in 1848 en masse from Germany that were trying to get away from the where they were getting expelled or something from Germany because of the their, I guess, kind of communist, Marxist philosophies.
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Yeah. That's that's it in a nutshell. And they settled in Wisconsin. It was almost completely German settlement. You know? I think we had one neighbor who was from French descent, and, that's the only one I can remember that wasn't German.
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Yeah. Because, actually, when I was when I was my first duty station over there in Germany, to get out of where I was stationed at the time, you know, for, weekend getaways when we had them. I'd always, take a taxi to Bonhoeffer and then take a train ride. They'd go down to Zarbruch, and then I'd get on a connection that went up to Trier. And, just down the street from a little pub that I, used to hang out in, Well, it was, Karl Marxstrasse in Trier, Germany. That's where he was born. And it was it was kind of unusual. I remember going to stay in the gas house just down the block, and I walked by I'd walked by his, his his house every time I'd, you know, go, go to Trier.
And so I guess a lot of a lot of that mentality and influence of, of the German people that must have been exposed to Karl Marx and Ingalls and whoever, were on that that, I guess, who got expelled out of Germany. Well, I'm up in Wisconsin. So I wonder if Abraham Lincoln was welcoming welcoming those guys when they got off the boat in '40 or, yeah, '48. Just an just enough time to train for military training, getting ready to be agitators where they're coming or more between the states, I guess.
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So Karl Marx had editorials in all our newspapers around the world, including places like the New York Times, and they say Lincoln was a pen pal with Marx.
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Is there is there any historical evidence of that, like, in the Smithsonians or anything?
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It's also covered in the book of the hundreds, and it talks about some of his best friends and his religious views, which weren't Christian. At best you could say he was a Unitarian, so he didn't believe in Christ. Maybe a deity.
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But And it's well well footnoted too there in the book of the hundreds, so you'll
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Yeah.
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Yeah. I heard I heard one reason why he was, his head I guess he got kicked in the kicked in the forehead or he got kicked in the head by a horse, when he was young or something like that. That's probably what made his his, appearance so, so different, I guess. Did you hear anything about that?
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No.
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As a matter of fact, I just saw on YouTube a picture of, Lincoln, I guess, with his death mask or something. I mean, yeah, you could see the you could see the signs of him, look like, yeah, he he had gotten some pretty bone crushing on his on his skull. I didn't I didn't click onto the video and watch it, but I think that so I I read a caption somewhere stating and I don't know if this was during the, that that same video that I didn't click on and watch, but said something about, Abraham Lincoln was, like, after he was shot, supposedly somebody somebody also kicked him kicked him really hard in the head when he, when he was down. You know?
But I also had heard that when he was a young kid, out on that cabin or whatever that supposedly liked to work splitting wood and all that fun stuff. He, he got severely kicked in the head, which might have caused him to look as ugly as he did. But, you know, who knows? That might just be country folklore. I don't know. So, Samuel, are things still burning down there in Southern California, or is it all been, contained?
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I think it's all out right now.
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It's all out?
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It's a long way for him to go.
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So is, is Newsom in hiding, or is he out in the forefront leading the charge to bring back California.
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I think he's busy worried about Trump.
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I hope he is. I hope he's sweating bullets right now.
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Me too.
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I I really do. I I hope this I hope the Trump administration I hope they really they need to purge this country of all those people that would had brought so much evil onto this country. And I think it's time for retribution personally.
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There's a movement out here that's been going on for a long time called New California State. And, if Trump ever got behind that, I think he could end up with two Californias, an old and a new.
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If I may, you mentioned something about, Karl Marx, and you said Wisconsin. He was from Wisconsin. Would I hear something different?
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No. No.
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Born in Germany and in Trier, Germany. I used to walk down down his walk in front of his house when I'd go from the from the pub to the, gas house to spend the night. But, yeah, his his place of birth was right right down about three doors down from the pub I used to hang out in.
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In Germany?
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In in Trier, Germany. It's Trier, Germany is the oldest city in Germany.
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And then you said something about Wisconsin right after that. So that's kind of confused.
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Yeah. It was from from eighteen forty eight ers that fled Germany. They were they were basically ran out of Germany. They were considered revolutionaries and they were push out Germany and they they all went to The United States. And, they wound up going to Wisconsin apparently.
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Okay. Well, I know I had some relatives that were German that came from Canada and they were chiropractors and then they went for the gold rush and then they were mysteriously you know, they they died. Their wagon, probably filled with gold, but the bodies were taken to Wisconsin.
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Wow.
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I mean, so they were they were on a wagon or Jake and the wagon train out to California or something, and they got bushwhacked and their bodies were returning to the
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18 hundreds. What did they usually travel by?
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Yeah. Wagon train, but I mean, was it was it was it literally a a wagon train or did they try to go out west on their own?
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Well, a chiropractor, I think they're self sufficient. They probably went out there on their own, but when they came back, they didn't make it back. So they were, you know, mysteriously, the bodies were then deposited in Wisconsin. That's why I wondered why you mentioned Wisconsin and the Germans because my father, my dad, was born in Wisconsin, and he's, not German, though. He's Slovak.
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Well, to my to my understanding, a lot of a lot of people literally from Europe, especially in more Nordic countries of Europe, they all settled in Canada and in The United States up there in their northern kind of the same longitude or latitudes basically the same. They're looking for the same climate or something similar to where their the old country looked like. That's usually where they would settle. And then plus they probably might have had some, relatives already established there. So when they left Europe, a lot, you know, times they would just go and settle where,
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they had Yeah. Then they would group together so that their culture was being, you know, saved to some extent. Like, Minnesota was almost all Swedish. Right? So Wisconsin was primarily German. They were looking for the same climates in the cultures. You know? I mean, back home, all our weddings are still, polka and waltzes. You know? Just traditional stuff.
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Yeah. True. True. Yeah. Some sometimes when I go visit, friends in the Midwest or relatives, and turn on the TV, they have a tendency to, I'll they they used to show I don't know if they still do. Probably it's probably not as popular as it used to be, but, yeah, they show all these, community get togethers and, polkas. Everybody everybody be out on the dance floor, you know, doing the polka dance to, yeah, polka music. And, the only time I think I ever ever saw something similar to that was square dancing in, Palomar, Mount Palomar back in the early seventies when I was a kid.
I remember some folks square dancing and some, you know, up in the mountains up in a up in a big cabin up there. But, yeah, the the the I've never seen anything like it down here at the South in the Deep South like like the folks up there in the up way up north, they have their their polkas, which is basically a German Germanic, probably Polish and maybe yeah. Different. I think different hung Hungarian, probably, maybe Czech. But they all have that that type of I don't know, maybe sometimes they call it maypole, kind of the maypole dance. You know?
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That's funny. Yeah. So that's my dad was, he would always after work, and he then he would go and garden, and then he'd go and do the landscaping in everybody's yards in the neighborhood. And then he would shower, have dinner, and sit down, and then he would entertain the whole neighborhood with his, accordion. So, yeah, he's very missed that culture. And, so do you do you dance, and do you teach that to any of your area?
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Oh, no. Not no. Not at no. Not me. No. I'm just an observer. I I I mean, I used to see it in Germany all the time. In in the, this is what's so amazing about Germany, the their their cultural traditions are are still still prominent. Like, for example, they always have a spring they they normally have a spring festival of some type. Actually actually, right now, what's going on, like, for example, I I heard, heard the show talking about a little bit earlier about, I guess, the Super Bowl is going to be down in New Orleans, right? And they're talking about they're talking about the Mardi Gras.
Well, people don't realize that Mardi Gras comes from Europe. It comes they have the same thing going on right now in Europe, but it's not called Mardi Gras, it's called Foschings in Germany. And, yeah, it's it's What does that mean? It's a tradition, I think, that evolved from the Catholic church, and it was a period of time during the medieval period and maybe even dark ages where you had the feudalistic culture in Europe and you had you only had two classes of people. You had basically the church and the royalty, the people with money and then you had the peasants, which were the feudal servants.
And they would have the celebration at this time in February where people would, people would don masks that they would make. And then they would all and then everybody would go, have a big party celebration, and the whole class structure fell off for a couple of weeks. So it was a time for the feudal landlords and the peasantry to co mingle in more ways than one in through these parties and celebrations of basically I think it might have been you could probably call it he doism because, yeah, people would people wear would wear masks, so nobody knew who anybody was.
They didn't know what you know, they were in costumes, so so people just go and it was an excuse to, I guess, pull off pull off the wedding band and go into town and, live it up, so to say. And that's that's literally been a tradition, it's a Catholic tradition like I say for hundreds and hundreds of years.
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Horrible.
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Yeah. I mean, yeah, it it is. I mean, I you know, it's people are always looking for a reason to party, I guess, but
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I mean, I I I don't Romans have that too, I think.
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Yeah. It's it is a it's a Roman it's a Roman it's a Roman it's a Catholic tradition. As I was explaining to her, yeah. I I don't I mean, when I was over there, I I had a really bad I don't have I don't have been in the hospital getting stitched up because of during that period of time. Supposedly, you can do crazy you're you're allowed to do crazy things and get away with it as long as it's not, you know, too crazy, I guess. But, yeah, I wound up I wound up getting in a I wound up getting in a really, really bad brawl of disagreement with some people that had done some, done something to to a old man and and me.
And, I didn't take too kindly to it. I got I got in a I got in a big big fight in, you know, and it was just me against I don't know how many of these guys I was fighting. But, Yeah. I wanted I wanted having to get ambulance to go to the go to the German hospital to get stitched up. So
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What year was that?
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I'm sorry?
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Was that in the seventies?
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No. It was in the, let me see what year was that. I'd say '89.
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I talked to a guy who said anything after the seventies when you went into a hospital, everything's had a digital ID on it. You know, those codes, like, you know, if you work in a factory, they've got a birth from the very beginning. Every single station, every single part of that assembly has a birthmark on it. So every single item that's ever created, they have, like, a UPC or UPS code or whatever it is. Right? And people are getting them, you know, tattooed on their arms like they're proud of this.
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Oh, I've I've seen I saw I started to see that about, let's just say, about fourteen, fifteen years ago. I've seen people with, I started to hear them, be called, tramp stamps, because there there were there were there were girls that they'd get, you know, when they get these tattoos put on them, And, we started calling them tramp stamps, but, yeah, I saw these some of these clowns that were, I guess, shaving their heads. Lot of them were shaving their heads, and they were getting a dead gun barcode tattoo on the back of their neck. And I don't know what that meant, and and I don't know if that barcode, you know, if it was scanned, what it would what what it would do. Would it identify them or some, you know, being part of a gang or I have no idea.
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I'm sure whoever that tattoo artist was, he claimed her or whatever. And so, yeah, I went to a place where, somebody was getting some free tattoos taken off, and that's very, very expensive. Let me tell you how much it costs to take off a free tattoo depending on the size and how many. It's very costly. And so they usually aren't free in the end. Okay? When when you have discovery, they're not free. And so when you realize that everything has little hardship in it or, you know, it's it's very disgusting. So then I went to this place with, someone, and I told the woman who was doing somebody's nails, you know. I said, your hair is so pretty, and it's so warm in here. Why don't you put your hair up? She says, oh, I could never put my hair up. And I said, why not?
They don't allow it here. And she says, well, no. She was dating this guy, and her dad was a tattoo artist. And, so she's got this tattoo on the back of her neck. She could never ever put her hair up again because he didn't like her.
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That's disgusting.
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And I know some relatives that I was recently talking with that, you know, in the eighteen hundreds, they farmed and they, you know, did some plantation work or whatever. They used to call it homesteading, and then they sold 6,820 acres, and they left. And I don't know if that you know, So maintain that. Maybe that we said that was kinda like a. And I read a lot of different things, and I didn't come up with this kind of, like, language, but you get things and set it apart, you know, because you want to find out what the heck of the, you know, word or why they named it. You're kinda like grab? Was it a just doesn't sound appealing when you start digging to find out why did they call it Mardi Gras or what is the actual meaning behind it in German, I guess?
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Mardi Gras. Well, it I don't think I'm sorry. Mardi Gras is not German to my understanding. Like I say, this period of time right now in Europe, it's called Boschings. In New Orleans and Mobile, Alabama, I guess, it's Mardi Gras. But and I've never been to the Mardi Gras. I've only been out during a fashion in Europe. And like I said, it wasn't a wasn't a pleasant experience. But I, the, you might be able to just, Google, the word Mardi Gras, where it's derived from, but I know that in in, not Florence. Yeah. Yeah. Florence. Yeah. Yeah. Florence.
Florence, Italy. You know, where you you know, the city where the gondolas gondola rides and all that kind of stuff are? Seen a lot of might have seen maybe a James Bond movie or something like that in in Florence.
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Didn't really watch live TV. I was working.
[04:50:35] Unknown:
The Italians the Italians, you know, because of the they're all like I said, anywhere anywhere where it's Catholic oriented or influenced is where you get that, the Mardi Gras Fosseens, festivals. Because as I say Mardi Gras. Excuse
[04:50:56] Unknown:
me.
[04:50:57] Unknown:
Mardi Gras is a French word, and it means carnival.
[04:51:04] Unknown:
Sounds just like it.
[04:51:07] Unknown:
Or I think, carnivali carnivali is, I used to hear that in Germany all the time, but it might be derived from Italian.
[04:51:17] Unknown:
Mardi Gras French, definitely.
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But in Germany, as you say, they call it Fochings.
[04:51:26] Unknown:
Yeah. I believe that it's carnival also.
[04:51:29] Unknown:
Yeah. Very it could be. So Fochard.
[04:51:36] Unknown:
That area down in in that area, like, was it the French conquered it or was it the Germans? Who who inhabited that area first? I mean, how far did you go back?
[04:51:47] Unknown:
The French were down there at, New Orleans and Mobile. Part of the part of the Louisiana Purchase, the French Quarter, but the French were Catholics too. But that's that's why the that's that's why America basically was established as the Puritans, they fled, they fled England because of King Henry the eighth and the, Church of England and all the rivalry going on between Henry VIII. England had once been a Catholic enclave, but then, when King Henry the eighth couldn't get a divorce, from the Catholic church, he, started his own church called the Church of England.
And then all the all the head lobbying that went on going back and forth from, bloody married to, oh, gosh. What was the other the other queen back and forth? The, the people that were just trying to, you know, learn about the bible or know the bible, they were being persecuted by the Catholic church, and they they decided we need to get out of here. And so they moved to a lot of them moved to Amsterdam where there wasn't there wasn't a Catholic influence of persecution.
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And
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then things, I think, started changing, going back the pendulum started to swing back the other way towards Catholics coming to the power. So the folks got together, they got some ships together, and they went over to England to pick up some more people, and they took off on the Mayflower. And I think actually Mayflower is the only one that was still ship worthy at the time. But, yes, Mayflower went over The United States and started the settlement from the colonies and but that that was that was all because they wanted to get away from the church of Rome because the Catholic church had persecuted and slaughtered millions of people throughout
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the centuries.
[04:54:32] Unknown:
That's why The United States is, you know, has been in a struggle, especially since the 1800s, because it it seemed like they were trying to preserve that the Puritan viewpoint, and they didn't want that Catholic influence coming in. That's why there was that that's why you see it it's a it's an undertone, but it's there. I can see it. You know? It's you you got all these different you have all these different churches now, and they but the early Americans, they did not want the Roman church yielding its influence here because that's why they left Europe is to was to get away from the church of Rome and all of its persecutions from the pope.
[04:55:34] Unknown:
I don't think you're right. That makes sense. I think if, somebody's been persecuted, okay, it's like Jesus. Why didn't Jesus change things? Because he knew that he was supposed to die for the sins of his father. You know? That was, you know, why he died. He was supposed to be persecuted. So, you know, that bloodline, like, somebody mentioned earlier, it stays in there. So years ago, they would have, 10 or 15 children. They don't have that anymore. These families are not having 10 children anymore. There may be two children if, if it's permitted.
Pretty much. Because I don't think we're in charge of all that anymore. I think the powers that be are dictating who and what and where and how they give everything to me.
[04:56:31] Unknown:
Very well could be. You're right.
[04:56:35] Unknown:
Told me back in the seventies, they started giving people kind of like, you know, why would they do that?
[04:56:57] Unknown:
Yeah. I remember I remember when you were talking about tattoos earlier. I I remember when I was a little kid. A little kid at church, and I I grew up in San Diego. So I remember I remember pulling on this man's arm. I said, what's that? He looked at he looked down at me. He goes, it's a tattoo, son. Don't ever get one. But he, yeah, it wasn't it was a it was a tattoo of an anchor, and I think the ship's name was on the on the anchor. But then there were other there were other guys that I've met that, I'd you know, this is probably in this in this well, this was in the sixties. I know it was that they were in the sixties. I was in the sixties too, but I was a lot younger than these guys. But, yeah, I saw attempts attempts of, people to get their tattoos removed.
And I remember asking one of the guys one of them at the church. I'm like I'm like, what happened to your what happened to your, your arm? And he said, well, he said, I'm, I'm having this tattoo removed. And I said, why? And he said, well, my my wife doesn't like somebody else's some other girl's name on my arm, so I'm getting it I'm getting it, removed. And that then, when you got a tattoo removed, it was very painful because they basically, what they did is they sand it off.
[04:58:53] Unknown:
So what's the, symbolism of the anchor, baby?
[04:58:58] Unknown:
It it was it was well, to my knowledge, it was they the anchor was a bit they were in the navy because San Diego is a navy town. You got you got the San Diego, San Diego is a military town, literally. You got Miramar Naval Air Station, which I don't think it's called that anymore, probably DEI'd. And you got San Diego Harbor, which is a naval military harbor. You got, gosh. What's the island? You got just a little bit Coronado? Yeah. Yeah. Coronado Islands is where the, elect the navy is stationed. So when I was when I was a little kid, you could go out to the island. You used to take used to take a they used to load up all the cars on a ferry boat
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across,
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out onto that island. But I reckon, like, 7071. They just they tell the bridge going over to the the Coronado Bridge.
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So then I'll be I don't know I don't know what or talk about
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it. Well,
[05:00:49] Unknown:
I gotta go. I gotta clean up the kitchen here. Grandson made a mess. Thanks, guys.
[05:00:57] Unknown:
It sounded like a pressure cooker or a a a air compressor.
[05:01:03] Unknown:
It's a welding torch, and we know how to use it.
[05:01:07] Unknown:
No. It's
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Just kidding.
[05:01:23] Unknown:
Well, I hope this creepy crud doesn't last long. I think I'm in it to about my on my probably on my, I don't know, third day. Hope it goes away quick. Does anybody anybody have any idea what president Trump wants to do with the, precious metals, department?
[05:02:17] Unknown:
Which department?
[05:02:28] Unknown:
Brent, you there? Sherry, are you there?
[05:02:37] Unknown:
Okay. Bye bye.
[05:02:42] Unknown:
Who are you looking for?
[05:02:44] Unknown:
I'm looking for Just Treacher.
[05:02:46] Unknown:
I'm looking for Brent or Sherry.
[05:02:51] Unknown:
Sherry is on a clear. I don't know. Maybe she's monitoring the channel or something. Maybe maybe she'll No worries.
[05:02:58] Unknown:
I don't know I don't know if you guys are interested, but in the chat at the very beginning of the show at, let's see. At the beginning of the show at 08:04 on my time, so it's, probably eleven. Depending on where you are, your time might be different. But at the very beginning, the first chance is the missing thirteenth amendment entered into Bitcoin, and I think he he's researched. He's a billionaire Bitcoin billionaire that's suing I forget who it is, but he's suing for a lot of money, and he researched every state to get the missing thirteenth amendment.
Okay. You need me to post it again?
[05:03:47] Unknown:
I cannot be there. Oh, you can I'm not aware.
[05:03:55] Unknown:
Okay. No worries. I just wanna make sure you got my email, Brent. If you didn't, let me know. Okay? Alright.
[05:04:03] Unknown:
I I got my email too.
[05:04:06] Unknown:
Alright.
[05:04:10] Unknown:
Drive safe. I know you do.
[05:04:17] Unknown:
Does any I don't know if what I don't know what happened to, maybe it has something to do with me having getting my phone repaired or something.
[05:04:39] Unknown:
Well, I can tell you I can tell you you're breaking up and I can't hear a word you're saying except a lot of a lot of static and, so all I can say is go out and come back in and like that be better but
[05:05:06] Unknown:
Yeah. Someone sounds like they're on a, yeah. Someone sounds like they're they can mute. They sounds like they're on a, walkie talkie.
[05:05:35] Unknown:
Thank you.
[05:06:05] Unknown:
Sounds like somebody's using their sink running water or something.
[05:06:11] Unknown:
Or frying bacon. And in the in the chat, I just put, Jesse Wells who eloquently sings truth bombs on a guitar. Young feller, and he's spitting some truth. Got a pretty good raspy voice for a young kid. And if you haven't heard him, I suggest you listen to some of his songs. He blew me away. And that young kid young kid, has a good, handle on life and the world.
Introduction and Host Welcome
Discussion on National Status and Legal Issues
Trump's Executive Orders and Second Amendment
Trusts and Estate Planning
Private Membership Association for Trusts
Common Law Trusts vs. Statutory Trusts
Taxation and National Status
Legal Strategies and Court Pleas
Historical Context and Legal Frameworks
Cultural and Historical Discussions
