In this episode, we delve into the intricacies of the financial and legal systems, exploring how they impact our daily lives. We begin by discussing the role of the attorney general and the historical roots of allegiance and protection, tracing back to the feudal system. This sets the stage for a broader conversation about citizenship, state rights, and the obligations of government officials.
We then shift our focus to the financial system, particularly the process of obtaining a mortgage and the underlying mechanics of promissory notes. We uncover the hidden layers of the banking system, revealing how promissory notes are transformed into financial instruments that fuel the economy. This discussion highlights the complex interplay between credit, currency, and the obligations of borrowers.
The episode also touches on the power dynamics within the legal system, examining how individuals can navigate these structures to assert their rights. We explore the concept of national status and how it can be leveraged to challenge existing legal frameworks, offering listeners insights into potential strategies for legal empowerment.
Throughout the episode, we engage with listener questions, providing detailed explanations and practical advice on navigating both the legal and financial landscapes. This interactive dialogue not only clarifies complex concepts but also empowers listeners to take informed actions in their personal and professional lives.
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[00:02:25] Roger Sales:
Us too. Us too, Alvin. Alright. We're gonna do another take another stab at it here this morning on the old Sabado edition. Paul, you're mumbling there in the background. Do you have something you'd like to bring us? I guess not. Okay. Well, it is, the, Sabado. That's Saturday in Spanish edition, and, of the new year, first one. First one to 25. Sure enough. Got a couple important things on the schedule already to discuss today, which I like teaching stuff for you. And, Roger Sales, your host, Radio Ranch, the name of our little get together.
I did say it was, 1425, and, we're on an abbreviated an abbreviated portfolio. That's a good, an abbreviated portfolio of, other, of assisting, network feeds today, be being it is Saturday. And, Paul's the one that keeps up with all that stuff, what day, who it's going to, what part of the world we're saying a 2, and all that stuff. So I'm gonna let him come out and do it again.
[00:03:35] Unknown:
Really, really, the only place we're going yeah. Really, the only places we're going today are eurofolkradio.com and potentially, Radio Soapbox. I'm still I'm I'm switching us over for Global Voice Network is not gonna be on speaker anymore because they don't they no longer support live, But I am moving, to Pod Home, which also supports automatic titling and AI generated transcripts and descriptions for the, for the program. So Wow. Yeah. We're gonna be doing, like, way cool stuff. Alright. And, I believe if you go to radio.globalvoiceradio.net, it will go to the main tracks page, and you can, like, check out the transcript for the December 31st show. That's the only one that I updated. Well, that will, that will alleviate taking notes for some of these folks. Well, that's good. It will alleviate taking notes. They will be able to download the entire transcript, and, they they'll be able to download the audio file for the podcast if they want to keep a a physical copy of it. We had a fellow,
[00:04:56] Roger Sales:
a listener back before you started coming around, Paul. The real techie. And, when I was over on Truth Frequency Radio, and he would send me he would sit there and transcript every show I did and send me the whole transcript like I needed it. You know? And, he is the one that had all of the shows recorded, and he got them to Daryl. So all those, even though they're over on Truth Frequency Radio, should you wanna go over and poo poo around in the Chris Ego's sandbox, but Daryl's got all those too, and John's got a bunch of the early early broadcasts.
And I think we could probably put put and pit together most of the time I've been on the air. Might miss a few, but I mean, come on. You know? Hell, I've been I've been such a journeyman. You know, I got so damn many ex wives, with womanizing with radio. I've I've I've left so many ex wives along the trail. And, I found out most of these guys were were not the guys I thought they were.
[00:06:04] Unknown:
That's funny.
[00:06:05] Roger Sales:
That way. Paul, I've got a, something's on my mind. I haven't done it yet, but I'm gonna go ahead and tell you all about it because I've made up my mind to do it. Just over the last few days, and I don't know how I don't know how many of you listen to Alex, or info wars or whatever. It's, you know, Alex is a very interesting fellow. He's extremely dedicated. I've had my ins and outs with him, not personally, but as a, partaker of his product. And, but he has proven to me that he is way beyond, any reproach. And his father, of course, and you may not know this. All are some of the audience might not if you don't listen. His father was a real high end oral surgeon who got tapped by the new world order because of his his intelligence, you know, and they give you IQ tests when you're little and stuff and the people that they can really tell are very bright. They try and co opt and get them into the new world order scheme.
The, the the the great legal researcher John Nelson that he was one of those guys. And Alex, Alex's father turned on him finally. That's how Alex knows so much about this is his his parents and part of his other family were involved in this. Anyway, his dad wouldn't like to become an over his dad went on to become an That's okay. His dad went on to become an oral surgeon. He's retired now. The Feds are after him. They've just about bankrupted him. And he's the one with his background that's been, going off and helping to at least start or or or or partake in the formulation of all these wonderful, products that they sell over there.
And so what Alex has done, and I think he's first of all, because of all the trials and everything, they were, of course, trying to shut down info. We're still trying to, maybe able to after the 1st year. We've got some some hearings coming up. Don't know. I hope the judges seems like he's a real straight ahead guy and didn't get to put up with the of this monarchy, but we'll see. But regardless in the interim of Alex fighting them so valiantly and everybody else with him, they have started their own. They've co opted with another bunch to help market their stuff. And it's some group out of Arkansas. Don't remember the name. But, they got a whole bunch of artists and stuff. A lot of vets up there that make custom knives that they sell, and they got a big t shirt and sweatshirt and all that stuff part and with all kinds of different messages. And then they're adding over and bringing over the supplements from InfoWars, but over here, this company, do a heart and, not heart and body drops.
A vitamin mineral fusion is a is a good example. I had bought some a while back. I bought 12 jars in in my situation. I like to get that stuff in bulk if I can because it's just such a pain in the rear end of getting stuff down here. K? And so I do order big when I do. Well, I ordered 12 of them and stuff, and I thought they weren't gonna have it anymore. Well, it's now popped up over on the new the alex jonesstore.com is the address. And they've got these, gummies that are come from Ireland, from kelp, and and sea seaweed.
They're really, really high. It's supposed to be behind nutrition, that good cold water off of, Scotland, I believe, somewhere over there. One of the, areas of of the little island that we are so attached to, England. Anyways, got all that stuff over there, a bunch of cutting edge stuff, and it it really is cutting edge. So Alex has put out an affiliate program, and I'm gonna go sign up for it. And, anything if any of you are have been buying from Alex, all you gotta do, I'll get a link, an affiliate link, and we'll get Paul to post it. And, they're on the matrix docs. And anything that you purchase through Alex, you'll still get the good Alex Jones products. You'll still be supporting Alex Jones and Infowars, but the affiliate program is he takes 10% off the top. I mean, not net. Gross.
He takes 10% off the purchase price and gives it to the affiliate. So I know from my own when in my approach of buying these things in bulk, some of those orders are 12, $1400. You know? But if you've been buying from Alex, all all you if you want to, you don't have to. But it will still support him. It'll still help him. The I say support him because that's when we get our message out eventually. I mean, you gotta set goal. That's the pro that's the platform I wanna be on. Okay? May take leading up to or whatever, but eventually, that's the platform I'd like for us to expose this info on. And, so the more we can help Alex, the better off it is for everybody. So I'll do that between now and next week sometime and get that out there. So if, if you've been, purchasing from Alex, all you have to do is switch over and use our link. You'll still get the same products. It'll come from the same place, and and we'll get a little 10% cut off the top, which is a unbelievable deal. Okay?
And, so whoever thought up this little affiliate deal for him, obviously, volume is what they've got in mind. It's increasing the volume will increase the amount of funds they got coming in to fight these guys. Alex is turning on them and being proactive. So he is in the, you know, where, what my, one of the old law teachers are. So you don't want to be the defend ant. I was in Georgia, you know. And, so he's gonna be the the prosecutor. He's gonna be the plaintiff, and it takes money to feed all those big lawyers plus all of the Lord of Mercy, these ridiculous court cases. They've run this law fair stuff. They've run-in on him.
So, anyway, that's the plan. I want to mention that. You can noodle on it. If you don't, listen to Alex or purchase, or familiar with his product line over there, you might wanna pop over to the alexjonesstore.com and look at and I mean, the product is superb. I got a absolute cabinet full of them. B 12, this real special iodine that they that they get that it goes way. They they get it deep down, and it takes all kinds of processing. And, iodine is one of the most important minerals we can get that we're deficient on. You know, they used to have it in. I don't know if y'all remember. You remember Morton Salt when you were a kid, Paul?
[00:12:50] Unknown:
Yeah. When it rains, it pours.
[00:12:52] Roger Sales:
That's because they had iodine in the salt to make it poor, and they've taken that out. And for years, I've used a product called heart and body drops, you know, because my grandfather and my father both died before they were 65 with a heart attack. And I figured I'd maybe see if I could avoid that. I like being around here, and I like, getting this information out and whipping these guys' ass with it. Like you talk about whip whipping them with the jawbone of an ass. All the information we got is worse than a jawbone of an ass, okay, for them. Mhmm. So, anyway, I like doing that. So I've been taking these drops for years, and, I there's about 3 doctor Strauss is 1. I think the one that advertises over on RBN.
I can't remember, evaporate or something. That's not it, obviously. But, anyway, it's over there. And then this one, Heart and Body Drops, and I did a lot of research. Background is gonna start using these things. And, one of the things that Heart and Body Drops particularly has that the others don't is kelp. So they use kelp in their formulation. Of course, that's iodine. That's where you get iodine from. So anyway, same thing with those little gummies he's got over there now. But, I've I've mentioned that, and, just because it's a hell of a deal, it helps us. It helps, it helps Alex, and you get help because you get really good high quality supplements. K? I'm dying to try those little, algae moss, tablets they've got or the pills that are comparable.
So, anyway, once we start off with that, I'll coordinate with you on that, Paul, as I get a link and all that. Good idea, though. Yeah. So, we had, we were back on the back on the path. Have you got something you're grunting, cluttering your throat? You got something to say?
[00:14:49] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm, I'm I'm working on, we are actually live on Pod Home, and while the show is going on, I will be connecting the dots to make it possible for people to get to that.
[00:15:08] Roger Sales:
Right now, the forward's not working. So I would I was just kinda grunting to myself. Okay. Well, the stream is working, but I can't get to it. So Okay. Well, no problem. Well, you'll you'll go over there diligently, get after it, and I'm sure it'll get accomplished and done correctly. So you feel free to go do all that stuff. We've got some things on the agenda already here today to discuss. Thanks to new student, Julie, who I hope is with us this morning because the show is gonna kinda be dedicated to her questions. Not that all of you some of you been exposed to this information before, but maybe some of you haven't if you're new.
I was kinda curious. Is there anybody on the show that got, is new that got turned on, to our project and info here maybe at over the holidays, like at family dinner. Well, there's Merk. Well, Merk, you're not new, but it's always good to hear your voice.
[00:16:02] Unknown:
Hi. Good morning. I have, Satya is waiting to ask you a question. She's an established student, but she does have a question before you start. Alright. And what is it? It's
[00:16:15] Unknown:
Sasha? Satka.
[00:16:19] Roger Sales:
Satka. Satka. Satka, are you okay. Well, it's a very unusual name. Hi, Satka. Are you there, sweetie?
[00:16:30] Unknown:
I'm here. Are you there?
[00:16:32] Roger Sales:
I'm right here at your beck and call.
[00:16:36] Unknown:
Good morning. I had a quick question about, the attorney general. I've heard you say that the attorney general's job is to protect the citizens, is it all citizens? Is it US citizens? Is it citizens? Isn't that an interest
[00:16:56] Roger Sales:
isn't that an interesting question? And and what Saka is burning? Okay. Go ahead. I'll shut up. Go ahead.
[00:17:05] Unknown:
I'm sorry. Then the second part is where where is that found?
[00:17:11] Roger Sales:
Okay. Well, it's found historically, and the root of what you're talking about comes from the feudal system. And it was part of the origins of the feudal system as it developed, and the, formula is protection for allegiance, allegiance for protection. Pretty simple. And it's a two way formula that in either of the event of the vocation, either one of those things are invoked, protection or allegiance, it automatically invokes the other one. Okay? So it it it goes back to the start, and it was the basis and the origin of the feudal system. In in the patriot movement, have you ever heard if you receive the benefit, you have the duty? No.
Well, that's very common around our, around our community for years. Well, that's the same thing. A benefit is is protection, and then your what you owe them is allegiance. It's the same thing. It's just using different words, but the concept is the same. And, so that's where that comes from. Now let's take it over to our country and your real specific question. We didn't have a federal citizen until the 14th amendment. So all the way up to 18/68, who had the protection from the states, which were then, if you'll remember, the states were considered individual countries.
You know, Joe Robert Right. Up up up up, Joe Robert e Lee, when he was asked by Lincoln to to head the Union armies, wrote back and said, I cannot fight against my country because he considered Virginia to be his country as everyone did. There was no federal citizenship. There was a void there, And so each of these conglomerated states considered themselves a nation of independent states. There's where they get the word national that we revolve around. Okay? Can you see the connection?
[00:19:20] Unknown:
Uh-huh. Yep. Okay.
[00:19:22] Roger Sales:
So up to that point, if you were in the state of Virginia, like Robert e Lee was in that example, he pledged his allegiance to Virginia. Therefore, Virginia owed him protection. Right?
[00:19:37] Unknown:
Right.
[00:19:38] Roger Sales:
Okay. That's the way the formula works. Alright? And they were under God and the original constitution with full access to that document. But then here comes the 14th amendment and sets up this new federal citizenship mostly for former black slaves. So now we've got 2 different statuses. Well, who do they owe their allegiance to? Well, they owe their allegiance to the federal government because the federal government gave them their political status, not God, the federal government. So they received their civil rights under the 14th amendment, and therefore, you owe the federal government your allegiance.
Is that understandable?
[00:20:22] Unknown:
Right.
[00:20:23] Roger Sales:
Right. Right. Yeah. Oh, okay. So what we're doing, when you file that affidavit, you're switching that formula back to the original one. Now I gotta tell you, I don't know how many attorney generals know what we just covered, quite frankly. K? But they supposed to well, maybe maybe the guy in Texas. But, see, they're supposed to right now. It says in the 14th amendment and the state wherein you reside. So when you say you're a resident, that caps you over under federal status, doesn't it? Right. Well, then the governor is supposed to give he's not supposed to be giving you protection to the state citizen. Well, I guess he could be. Okay? But your main protection comes from the federal government because that's where you get your status. Right?
[00:21:17] Unknown:
Right.
[00:21:19] Roger Sales:
Well, when you switch that, it switches. Now the governor owes you complete protection, and you owe the the AG and the state the allegiance. And through that operates god, god given rights, god associated duties, and complete access to the constitution as it was written originally. So it's a very interesting and in-depth question that you ask, and I had to think this through a lot. I don't know when we stumbled on it a while back. But you see, here's the thing is that's our strength. Because they see, they don't have a I don't have a choice to do this. They've got an obligation to do it because of this ancient formula. And what did it say? Hold on just a second. Let me finish. And where does this all start in the nationality act in 1940?
And what's the statement? A national owes total allegiance to a small s state. Well, you're telling them when you put them on notice in that affidavit, I'm giving you my allegiance. And here's the second part, because I give them the allegiance and that automatically institutes the formula, then they owe me protection. Protection from what? How about people writing you a ticket for traffic laws that don't apply to you on the side of the road?
[00:22:41] Unknown:
Right.
[00:22:42] Roger Sales:
Isn't that an intrusion on you from an outside source?
[00:22:49] Unknown:
Isn't it? Yeah.
[00:22:51] Roger Sales:
Oh, well, then they had see, they're see now here, they're negligent in their duties. Here's our teeth. That's why you're putting all these people on notice and listen to everybody. Because if that guy at the bottom, that sheriff, has his deputy, who's an agent of him underneath the attorney general, stops you and writes you a ticket after you put them on notice, then they don't have the authority to do that, do they?
[00:23:16] Unknown:
Right.
[00:23:18] Roger Sales:
So now they lose their cloak of immunity, don't they? Yeah. And because you've tied them in through the laws of agency, the attorney general loses his cloak or her cloak of immunity also. How about that?
[00:23:36] Unknown:
That's awesome.
[00:23:38] Roger Sales:
Okay. Well, that's the little that's the expansion of your your first question there.
[00:23:45] Unknown:
That's perfect. The the reason I asked is because I looked at the Arkansas Constitution and the attorney general's duties, and he, according to the Constitution, is supposed to be protecting the state. Doesn't that because the only thing about consumers is that they protect the, the consumer, but not really a citizen.
[00:24:16] Roger Sales:
Well, I promise you everything underlies what I just went over with you. And he owes you protection. I'd like for us I'd like for us, maybe Mark and Aya, to write up some sort of a cover letter for you guys for the people that are putting their whole state and and and and and systems on notice that includes some some verbiage on that. We haven't done it yet, but that, see, that's our teeth right there.
[00:24:45] Unknown:
That's our teeth. That would be great if you
[00:24:47] Unknown:
you said it so well and so clearly.
[00:24:50] Roger Sales:
Well, it's you know, I've lived with it for so long and thought about it for so long that it's second nature to me. And if you'll study and continue to keep this in the front of your mind, you'll get there too someday. And the object for all of you folks is to make this information part of you. I'm try here, you know, what makes we're talking about affiliation stuff with Alex. What makes network marketing work is duplication. I'm duplicating my efforts and myself and these other people, and that's what I'm I try to do here. Okay. Thank you, Roger. I appreciate it. Okay, sweetie. Was it did you have a second part to that question, or did you get it out and I covered it?
[00:25:35] Unknown:
No. You covered everything.
[00:25:37] Roger Sales:
Okay, sweetie. Well, thank you. It sounds like you're driving. Drive carefully. Okay?
[00:25:42] Unknown:
May I ask her where so much. Where at Arkansas she is, if she doesn't mind? North central, central, south?
[00:25:51] Unknown:
Hot Springs,
[00:25:52] Roger Sales:
South. Hot Springs. Alright. I'm from Arkansas. It's Sherry. Nice to meet you. I yield. Why don't you connect through Merck? Thank you. Why don't you guys connect through Mercka, and you can communicate on the side straight straight on. K? Great. So, yeah, and that's and I encourage that because, you know, eventually, as we get more and more folks, we can start maybe having meetups even quarterly or however you can, wanna do it. But I'd love to have some meetups. Southern California is ripe for that. Obviously, Flathead County Montana is is rife not ripe. It's rife with nationals.
I'd love to know how many folks Gary and Gina have have gotten turned on to this out there that are following through. So, eventually, that's what we'd like to do if we can get enough folks. So thank you, gals. Okay?
[00:26:46] Unknown:
Hey, Roger. This is Sandra.
[00:26:48] Roger Sales:
Hey, Sandra. How are you doing?
[00:26:50] Unknown:
Hi. How's everything? I I need some clarification based on the answer that you, gave.
[00:26:56] Roger Sales:
Yes, ma'am.
[00:26:58] Unknown:
Now when you said AG, you're talking about general. Attorney general. Attorney general on the state level. Right? The state attorney general. And since he's in Arkansas and then what about the federal AG, and what about the, federal AGs that are stationed
[00:27:15] Roger Sales:
in each state? Like, in California, we've got 4 of them. So you're talking about noticing all of them. Right? Oh, now that I've never heard you got 4 federal attorney generals in the state of California. This is totally new to me.
[00:27:28] Unknown:
Really?
[00:27:29] Roger Sales:
Okay. Oh, yeah. Okay. Why why would you have 4 federal attorney generals? You got an attorney general in California. It's a little Japanese guy, isn't it? And then an oriental guy, Merica? The AG California?
[00:27:41] Unknown:
On the main guy is the what, what's his name? Mister,
[00:27:48] Unknown:
I have to look it up. Bonita? Anyway, I thought he was Hispanic.
[00:27:52] Unknown:
Bonita. Bonita. Bonita. T a. He's the main person that you send a notice to. Okay.
[00:27:59] Roger Sales:
Generally, your state's only gonna have one attorney general. It's gonna be the state attorney general, and the other the federal attorney general is at the Department of Justice. It's Moshe Garfunkel, better known as gar Garland now, and, he oversees everything from the federal level, and then each state has their own. It's my experience, Sandra. Okay? I don't know if I'm putting federal. They can there's only one federal AG. He's at the Department of Justice.
[00:28:30] Unknown:
Well, I was doing some because I was in the process of doing, putting notices out. I haven't done it yet. And I got confused because there's all these AGs. There's district level attorney generals or not not attorney general. District level,
[00:28:46] Paul:
prosecutors. Right? Uh-huh. And then there's
[00:28:49] Unknown:
but now in each state, they have their own district, federal, federal attorneys.
[00:28:58] Roger Sales:
Well, they've got federal attorneys in each state and each district. Each state each state is divided up into districts. For instance, Georgia, northern district, central district, southern district. Each one of those districts will have its own district court, federal district court somewhere in that territory, like Macon. Okay. There's a federal district court in Macon because it's the federal court in the middle district of Georgia.
[00:29:26] Unknown:
Okay. I think I got the terminology incorrect. Yeah. Federal yeah. There's federal, attorneys, but not AGs. Okay. Okay. Alright. Thank you. Correct. You're welcome.
[00:29:35] Roger Sales:
And, I'll tell you one thing. If you ever get an attack scruffle with these guys, they will not let the local attorney general or the prosecutor handle it. They always bring in a tax specialist, and it's some little Jew from Washington DC. K? So that's a real special area for them as you can imagine, and we're coming really to understand the importance of the tax system. It's like the whole game. If there's no tax system, they got no system. Boom. K? And that's the power we do is after we go through filing these notices and doing this stuff and making these declarations is you go pull yourself out of their scam and little tax system, and they can't do a thing about it, can they?
No. If there was something they could do about it, believe me, they would have done it by now. And they would have come full force on the first people that filed this with them to try and scare the pants off the rest of you. Okay? They haven't done that at all. They stand totally mute. Except, Lilla, we're reviewing your account for 60 days, or there's some kind of a we think there might have been an identity theft in your account. This is what my my female friend down here, our, one of our good Americans is going through the process finally after all these years.
And and they wrote her a thing. She said, well, you're there's it appears there may be some some identity fraud in your account. We're gonna look into it, and then you read on. It goes, it takes an average of 360 days to clear these these things up. So, anyway, I said, don't worry about it. You'll never hear from them again. You know? That that kind of trivial stuff is what they do. That's the best. You know, look at it this way. That's the best they got, folks.
[00:31:31] Unknown:
That's the best they
[00:31:33] Roger Sales:
got. Hey, William. How are you doing, man?
[00:31:35] Unknown:
I'm good. I'm good. Got some exciting news with my, tax case I was talking to you about. I don't wanna put Julie on hold, though.
[00:31:44] Roger Sales:
Well, no. It's here. She hadn't spoken up yet. I'm assuming she's waiting. We got 2 hours to talk about this other stuff. But, this is on your ad valorem on your car, a car you purchased. Right? $500
[00:31:56] Unknown:
I had to pay. So after talking to you, I did some research, and the state of Georgia has a Oh, you're cutting out, William. Or do a refund or felt you're doing a can you hear me now?
[00:32:13] Roger Sales:
Yeah. I I the state of Georgia has a tax, so that's when you cut out. So if you could pick that up there.
[00:32:19] Unknown:
They have a tax tribunal Oh. Where you can appeal you can appeal any state tax that you feel like you were do a refund that was denied.
[00:32:29] Roger Sales:
Well, see, there's always an appeal, and this is the bureaucratic system. It's one of the advantages of it, and they've got to appeal that inside their own parameters. Or here, they're taking something from a a state taxing board, and what's my next step in my administrative appeal? Here it is. Tell us about it, William. And
[00:32:49] Unknown:
I want you to copy, you send it to the tax tribunal, and you also send the appeal to the state revenue commissioner and the attorney general, the Georgia Department of Law. Oh. Copy the the agencies. So I just wanted to read a little bit of the letter that I sent them and the documentation that I sent them, because this is gonna, you know, put our information on their toes and see, you know, how they respond.
[00:33:17] Roger Sales:
Uh-huh. Well, now keep in mind here for the audience, and I just said most of the attorney generals probably don't know this, allegiance for protection stuff, protection for allegiance and other things too, like the definition of person. Well, William, if you haven't been listening on a regular basis and didn't keep up with this, has a commercial flight operation out of Augusta. He flies big wigs around, and he's got some sort of a relationship at some point with a sitting judge in the state of Georgia. And William starts telling him our information, and then, you know, I told you, you ask some of these people this question. What's the litmus test?
What's the concept behind the word person? I guarantee you they don't know it. He asked a sitting judge in Georgia, and he did not know, did he, William?
[00:34:08] Unknown:
Nope. And he's a he was just a local magistrate judge. I come to find out. Okay. But Yeah. That's okay. You know? But on the on the tax appeal, they wanna know, you know, the details of the case and, and the law that you're gonna use that you're basically trying to use to appeal Uh-huh. On your grounds. And, Grounds? Mhmm. I've stated, you know, I've stated the the conditions that I paid the tax and that, I had requested a refund. I filed their form on the basis of my nonresident alien status. And, the date that the county tax commissioner by text message says it, the county attorney claims I'm not entitled to a refund of the tax on your vehicle. He states that providing a Social Security number, you are subject to the laws of the state.
[00:34:57] Roger Sales:
I'm not sure about that.
[00:34:59] Unknown:
In my letter, I said, however, the Social Security number is issued issued to me is solely the property of the secure Social Security Administration. The Social Security number is only to be used for purposes authorized by the Social Security Administration, and none of these authorized uses include determining taxability.
[00:35:18] Roger Sales:
Or or or remember on the front, it says in red not to be used for identification.
[00:35:25] Unknown:
Right. And then I said, you know, I appealed to the board of equalization, and that was not I said the operation
[00:35:36] Roger Sales:
You're cutting out a little bit, William. Echo and you ain't charged.
[00:35:40] Unknown:
After the the operation of law for the basis of my appeal, as stated in Patel's Law of Nations, also echoed in the UN Charter that I have a right to political self determination. Cop that's on file with the Secretary of State of the United States establishing my citizenship as a national. Also enclosed is copy of my legal lawful notice of this change to the IRS, which was also copied via USPS certified mail to the Georgia Department of Revenue delivered on March 9, 2024. This notice was not rebutted by the secretary of state, the IRS, or the Georgia Department of Revenue Commissioner. Notwithstanding, I get to choose my political status, which is a national and not a citizen or resident of the United States as US citizenship and residency are contemplated in the 14th amendment.
[00:36:31] Roger Sales:
Oh, very good, William. I said, George For everybody listening. Everybody listening. Now you're going back and you're using this information, and you're putting their feet square on the coals.
[00:36:42] Unknown:
And I said the state of Georgia is a political subdivision of the United States. I figured that's hard for them to argue. Yeah. Therefore therefore, per 26 CFR 1.1 dash 1 a, as recognized by the IRS, a nonresident alien to the United States and thereby the state of Georgia, and its tax laws, which are mandated exclusively for taxpayers, US citizens, and residents. As defined in the OCGA, which is the, Georgia code, nationals and nonresident aliens are not taxpayers. And then another section of the code states that being a resident of Georgia is a rebuttable presumption.
I said also, 42 US code 1982 guarantees nationals within the states the same same rights as US citizens, which include to purchase and hold real per real and personal property. Simply put, but still legally and lawfully applicable, 42 USC 1982 uses the antiquated term white citizen to contract the to contrast the US citizen status Did you which is now what you now identify as the nationals.
[00:37:54] Roger Sales:
Did you check that as 82? Because my memory says it's 83 and 86. Yeah. There's, there's 3 or 4 in there, but It's it's in there. It's in there. Okay. So you've checked just so you make sure. Man, your letter's great. Continue on.
[00:38:10] Unknown:
Yeah. 82 is the one that deals with real and personal property.
[00:38:13] Roger Sales:
I see. Good deal.
[00:38:16] Unknown:
Says, which is now identified as a national according to public law, 414, statute 66, title 1, definition 21. And then the next paragraph, it said, neither the state of Georgia formed for license plate application nor the driver's license application have a method to differentiate national and federal citizenship. According to the Immigration and Nationality Act, all U. S. Citizens are U. S. Nationals, and both citizenships are considered equal in the purview of the federal government. Out of the rule of necessity and to keep the peace, I applied for a license plate for my automobile, and in the process, was forced to submit that I'm a U. S. Citizenresident on the applications.
For the reasons stated herein, the title of valorem tax is not applicable to me and my property as it lacks taxability by the state.
[00:39:04] Roger Sales:
When did you send that in?
[00:39:07] Unknown:
It was delivered Friday, I think.
[00:39:10] Roger Sales:
Well, we'll get into the New Year and see how the appellate level, of the tax system in Georgia reacts to that fine letter you just drafted and put in front of them.
[00:39:20] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm I'm interested to see how it goes.
[00:39:23] Roger Sales:
Okay, folks. Knowledge is power. K? Thomas Jefferson said, those expect to be ignorant and free, expect what never was and never will be. If you learn the information, you're the the more you internalize this, like, William, how long have you been around? I'll get your Merca. How long are you, what, 8 8 I mean, a year, 10 months? About a about a year, 14 months. Something let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let Okay. For everybody else's list, and here's somebody that has taken, my advice and suggestions and applied them in a number of different areas. And I think you'd probably have to agree he's done quite well at it. Do you sense, do you sense his empowerment? William, do you feel empowered?
[00:40:07] Unknown:
I do. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not scared of him.
[00:40:11] Roger Sales:
Yep. They're scared of you, though.
[00:40:14] Unknown:
Oh, well, I know they are.
[00:40:18] Roger Sales:
Yes. Birka, what'd you have, sweetie?
[00:40:20] Unknown:
Just wanted to double check. What were those codes that he was reading or using?
[00:40:25] Roger Sales:
He was using title 42 1982. I was mentioning 1983 and 1986. If you'll remember, the 42 is the civil rights code written for the 14th amendment federal citizens, and every one of those sections, and I guess couple of other ones start out with the privileges and immunities of the citizens of the United States are the same as the white citizens.
[00:40:56] Unknown:
Right. Right. And I I the official was it annotated? Our official Code of Georgia. Annotate Yeah. Section 48 dash 1 dash 2.25. It defines what a taxpayer is, and it's basically somewhat is responsible for paying taxes, which Right. National. You know, if the nonresidential is alien or not.
[00:41:22] Roger Sales:
I I wish you to put this phrase in there at the end. In the future, I expect and will pay all constitutional taxable obligations I'm I am due or whatever. Something to that effect. Right. Because it because that just takes another excuse out from under them. It takes their feet right out from under them. What, Myrca?
[00:41:45] Unknown:
And sometimes on the codes, they are very specific on who they're talking about when it comes to a US national. They would they would define American national as us and the US national as the noncitizen national.
[00:42:01] Roger Sales:
Well, they I don't All that is How can no. Those can't be well, they might identify it that way, but that's wrong. Okay? Because noncitizen nationals are not birthright citizens. We are both. Right. A noncitizen national is only one side, the national. They're not the same. They can't be the same. I don't care what the tortured ass legal definition says. This is why I work on concepts.
[00:42:30] Unknown:
If we're looking at the USC code, it follows the statutes at large. So it should have the same information that organic statute has.
[00:42:39] Roger Sales:
Okay. So just because this is such a nebulous little point here, and and we've had so much dissension on it this previous year, just always use National. K? Then then then everything's simplified. Not that there's ever been one piece of paperwork that's ever been rebutted with that or even brought up with that. You go ahead and just use National.
[00:43:07] Unknown:
Okay? Awesome, Roger. On the code, I've noticed that they've been reviewing it for a while. They do say, you know, US nationals, that have allegiance to United States or something like that, that differentiates
[00:43:24] Unknown:
between them. Art as international.
[00:43:27] Unknown:
And You know, y'all the ones that have allegiance to them.
[00:43:31] Roger Sales:
If you're new I know I don't wanna get into this tortured stuff enough. We're gonna dive into a little complicated stuff here in a second. But the whole thing is look at the depth they've gone to to confuse and obfuscate this. And as you get through it, picking it apart, if you think you could ever arrive at the conclusions we've arrived at in the old traditional way of diving into the statutes and regulations, you're wrong. And that's the reason our whole movement for 30 plus years that I've been in it has been so unsuccessful. Because all they're doing is diving into into the statutes and the regulations.
They don't understand the definitions of the words that are being used. They don't understand that these people change labels just like the example we said, white citizens. Well, what are white citizens? Well, those are nationals. Those were the all state citizens. Okay? So if the people that don't understand all of those intricacies and these guys' little tricks will never ever arrive at the answer. And that's what makes us so unique.
[00:44:40] Unknown:
And, Roger, I looked at the, we're talking about the old 13th amendment. I was doing some research on the old 13th amendment
[00:44:48] Roger Sales:
Yep.
[00:44:49] Unknown:
Which was full.
[00:44:53] Roger Sales:
Now you're cut you're cutting out again, William, and I wanna hear this. You're yeah. I just lost a couple of seconds of you.
[00:45:00] Unknown:
Okay. It said the the titles and Nobilities Act was one Right. There was 2 old old 13th amendments.
[00:45:07] Roger Sales:
There was 2? Basically
[00:45:09] Unknown:
yeah. There was 2. There was one called the titles and abilities act, and then there was one that Lincoln had drafted to basically, say that the federal government would not impair, the state's ability to contract basically to to this the the federal government wouldn't step on the state's rights to have slaves. Okay. It was kind of a Well I don't know. I I'll I'll branch before the war and then and then never got right.
[00:45:40] Roger Sales:
See, I never have heard or researched out myself to figure out where I know they put that thing in the constitution back in the early 1800 because we had guys in our group in Atlanta that had had relatives in Connecticut, and he went up to visit them and, went to one of the old law libraries and found an old Connecticut law book with the original with the constitution in it, and that 13th amendment was printed in the law book. So their excuse is if this again, for the audience, if this is new to you, they say that it was never ratified properly and that Virginia didn't ratify it. Well, we found it in Virginia law books. It was ratified. This is another scoundrel lie of the new world order. You can see how far back they had some kind of control over the government.
And at some point, they took this first one and maybe this second one and wiped both of them off the books and went back and brought in the the the one we know now, which is really important, William, because I just realized actually over the holidays. I don't know if you were listening yesterday or not. But, the 13th amendment had to be written for state citizens. Right. Because there was no 14th amendment for 6 months.
[00:46:54] Unknown:
And what's interesting about the titles and nobility act was that, basically, it was gonna say if you took any kind of title or nobility from a foreign country, that you would no longer be considered a citizen of the United
[00:47:08] Roger Sales:
States? Right. Brent's got some very interesting insights on that that are not the usual ones that, our community has put forth. So you may wanna next time we have Brent on, if you can, be on and ask him about it and let him expound on it a little bit. Okay. You know, he's going to start in it is super all this history is very interesting.
[00:47:29] Unknown:
Well, they use that term citizen of the United States. Yes. Then but, you know, you mentioned chief justice story that, you know, a citizen of a state is, ipso facto, a citizen of the United States. That's chief justice story. How can you argue with him? Yeah. They were 1 in the same back then. So, Yes. Well, there was only one. There was no differentiation
[00:47:51] Roger Sales:
for them to, equivocate us on and fool everybody.
[00:47:55] Unknown:
Alright.
[00:47:57] Roger Sales:
You got a man that's the that one in resident are the main ones right there. Right. The whole scheme comes on equivocation of those those terms.
[00:48:07] Unknown:
And you were talking earlier, I forget the other lady's question about the attorney general. But I always I've talked to friends of mine and I say, you know, was it Abbott, the attorney general of Texas? You know, he wrote that letter to the Biden administration.
[00:48:22] Roger Sales:
No. He's the Abbott's the governor. It's the other guy Is it the Yes. And it's the attorney general that is the best one in the country just about I just can't think of his name right now. So maybe somebody in the audience can come in with it.
[00:48:38] Unknown:
Well, Well, maybe, yeah, the governor Abbott. He wrote that letter to the federal government to to Biden saying, hey. We know we need protection, from, you know, the federal government. And I said, you know, the the federal government is only responsible for protecting the 10 square miles of DC. Constitutionally, Texas is responsible for protecting itself with its citizens, which it doesn't they've all been taken away.
[00:49:02] Roger Sales:
And then And then and then and Roger. And hold on just a sec. Ken Paxton. Thank you, Thora. And also that the states were brought in as property, I believe, under the bankruptcy also, and that's how they made them political subdivisions. They've still got some autonomy, but not, I don't believe, as much as they used to, William. Thank you, Thora. Right. Paxton. Ken Paxton. Well, he's about to run for the senator of Texas, it appears. So they've got a couple of, at least one real squirrelly senator up there, and I believe Paxton's gonna challenge him, and he should win, hands down.
K? Very popular. I I kinda was hoping Trump might appoint him to one of these federal positions. He'd make a damn good attorney general. Don't know about this, female. I think her is her name Bondi? Is her last name Bondi, the new attorney general? I know one thing. It'll be much nicer to look at some Department of Justice press conference and not see Moshe Garfuckle, but to look at her, that's an improvement right there.
[00:50:09] Unknown:
Yeah. She's a gun grabber, though, Roger.
[00:50:12] Roger Sales:
Okay. Is she? Well, I don't know about that. Let's hope she doesn't get Yes, sir. Off on that tangent. But, she's a boxer. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. 2 or 3 people here. Jack was that Jack or Larry?
[00:50:25] Unknown:
It's Larry. When you get a second, I'd like to ask something.
[00:50:29] Roger Sales:
Okay, Alicia. William, did we finish up with you, or you can do you have a a Dunlop or what?
[00:50:35] Unknown:
Just one more thing. I know we talk we talk about, you know, stuff that we see in the media and things like that and, movies and how they slip stuff in. And, you know, we talk about the Matrix movie a lot. My my wife's a big fan of Harry Potter. And, I was just sitting there. You know, you you hear stuff, and I was sitting there in the bedroom. It was the very last episode of Harry Potter movie of Harry Potter. And, and he was talking to Harry Potter after, I forget the guy's name, had gotten killed. He was supposedly in kind of the afterlife or whatever. But, he asked him some questions, and he says, he said words are, in my most humble opinion, our most inexhaustible source of magic, capable of both inflicting injury
[00:51:20] Roger Sales:
and remedying it. Wow. How accurate. Yes. Absolutely. Well, you know, you get back to it. I didn't, didn't the lord speak the or the world into existence? Well, hell, they gotta have some kind of power. Thank you, William. Thank you. Thank you so much, and I really, want to compliment you on your studiousness and your aggressiveness, and you're another one of these people that I can identify that when you your life cross paths with this information, you just grabbed onto it like Julie and just chomped into it. And the thing is is it doesn't let go. You can't shake it. If you tried to shake this out of your life, you couldn't do it.
[00:52:05] Unknown:
Yeah. It's just extremely frustrating. You get on Facebook or some in social media, and you see people complain about taxes or property taxes or these laws or that laws. And, I was like, you can get out. You know? You don't have to you don't you don't you don't have to sit there and and make the lashings.
[00:52:24] Roger Sales:
Well, for first of all, they, a, don't believe it, and, b, they they're scared as hell of trying to go through it. I I mean, really, fear is the controlling mechanism here, and they have done a very good job of instilling it in all of us. Now who is Hey, Williams?
[00:52:42] Unknown:
Yep. Would you be willing to share that letter out with everybody if you were to, like, redact your name off of her off of it or something? Because I'm my name is Julie, and I'm new, and I'm trying to learn. And what you just did right there is
[00:52:57] Roger Sales:
magnificent, and I commend you. Julie Julie, you know what he was doing. I don't know if you got the front end of that is he's trying to go back and overcome an ad valorem $25100, I think, William, tax on automobile he purchased. And he's going back retroactively and go, I shouldn't have been charged this. So that was to the ballot board of a tax board. So just so you know what that was. It's not what I would consider general applicability, but it's a very good letter, and there's nothing wrong with it. It's excellent. Just a real Well, the good the good news is if I can make it stick
[00:53:33] Unknown:
to a piece of, personal property like, like a vehicle, I should be able to make it stick to a piece of real property like my house.
[00:53:41] Unknown:
Exactly. So, what was I gonna tell you? I I do know that, what was I gonna say? We have personal property taxes on vehicles here in the state of Virginia, and so I just set my vehicle up to be owned by an LLC and they have come after me before that and I won in court because they basically said you can't tax me on something I don't own, And so, I I won in on a trial by jury in the court. Oh, good to hear you, Julie. They're coming after people left and right. My advice to people is if you can try to not own it and put it in an LLC. I will personally help I will personally help anybody and everybody set up an LLC for free. It's $75 at your state corporation commission. I'll help anybody do that on here for everybody being so nice to me. I think where we haven't been successful
[00:54:37] Unknown:
here is, you know, we're going after we're trying to get them on their technicalities, when we just we just need to go on jurisdiction and taxability and just cut them off at the knees.
[00:54:47] Unknown:
Right. I agree with you on that 100%. I'd love to see that letter because, you know, there's there's so many other things that they're taxing on. They do business personal property taxes here where they, and those are those are double taxes. I already paid taxes to buy this business furniture, and now you wanna tax it again? Are you kidding me?
[00:55:06] Unknown:
Yeah. I think I think we should, as nationals, we should try to avoid those, those intermediaries because they don't do us any good unless you're in a highly litigious field like I am. Yeah. But from liability Well, Julie. They
[00:55:21] Roger Sales:
Julie too.
[00:55:23] Unknown:
Yeah.
[00:55:24] Unknown:
I mean, I just My problem is I'm in I'm in real estate, so I I do I do everything from property management to to buyer seller representation. I'm a real estate broker in 3 states and then also tax lien, tax deed investing and stuff, so I'm all over the place in real estate. I do property flips and it's it's ridiculous, the taxes. The problem is the LLC itself is a US person even though you're not. That's correct because you had to apply for your own. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. But here's the thing, It's a US person, but you're not. As long as you take all the profits out and all the income that your LLC generates and you get paid that to yourself in the form of a wage, you have a net income of 0, so you have a zero tax liability to the state and the federal government.
[00:56:12] Roger Sales:
Yep. I agree. I would also suggest just to trust would do that also.
[00:56:18] Unknown:
I don't know if you've heard about that yet or not. Yourself you just pay yourself a management fee, Roger, and you're and you make it the management fee equal to what the dividends and interest and tax taxable gains were if you're in what I'm in, in my trust, which is basically brokerage accounts. So just pay out all of the stuff to yourself as a management fee and the net income of the trust is 0.
[00:56:40] Unknown:
I think it I think it gets sticky I think it gets sticky with the LLC because if it owns, like, if it owns an aircraft or a piece of equipment, you know, it's a US person, the LLC is. And so it's gonna have to pay those taxes even though whatever's left over that you send to yourself is is tax exempt. So I think, you know, having that intermediary there may kinda complicate things at times.
[00:57:07] Unknown:
Yeah.
[00:57:09] Unknown:
31 days When you when you but if you do if you but if you form an LLC not in your state, keep in mind my LLC is out of Montana. So, you form an LLC out of a state that doesn't collect those types of taxes, and then it's not in your name. And then they have no right to tax you since you're not the owner of of of the of the property.
[00:57:30] Unknown:
Yeah. To to the folks that may be new out there,
[00:57:34] Roger Sales:
there's there are a lot of ways to get around these, your business and this obligation in that, and, there are ways to get around it. So if that was one of your questions, you're listening, lurking there in the background, that can be done. Okay. Julie, let me find out what Larry was trying to find get in here about 5 years ago.
[00:57:55] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you. We get a copy of William's stuff. He how do we get a copy of William's thing?
[00:58:03] Unknown:
I don't know where I can post it, really. Maybe on the national status forum.
[00:58:09] Roger Sales:
Possibly. National Status Freedom. Could you send it to Merck and to,
[00:58:14] Unknown:
David and Kaye also? Yeah. I can, I can post it on the forum in nationalstatus.com?
[00:58:21] Unknown:
And send it to you, Roger, and then you can forward it
[00:58:25] Unknown:
to Paul and, myself.
[00:58:28] Unknown:
Yeah. I can do that.
[00:58:29] Roger Sales:
Send it to me, William, if you would, please. I'll I'll distribute it around. Good work on that. I'm anxious to see what you know. These, bodies don't usually act real quickly, but,
[00:58:41] Unknown:
when they do respond, please let us know what it is. Well, well, the other wrinkle the other wrinkle, one more thing. If you do it through tax court, it's a $60 fee through the tax tribunal. Yes. And it is it is appealable. However, I had the option to do it through small claims court, and then that decision is final. However, there wouldn't be a charge. So I paid the $60 fee so that, you know, even if they didn't rule in my favor, I could still appeal it again.
[00:59:13] Roger Sales:
There you go. Well, keep at them and, keep their feet to the fire. Well, that's the way we get answers. Yes, sir? That's it. Roger, thank you. Yeah. Okay. Now hold on. Larry's been waiting. Larry?
[00:59:26] Unknown:
Oh, he said he yielded.
[00:59:28] Roger Sales:
Yeah. Okay. Dave? Yep.
[00:59:31] Unknown:
This is Larry. I just No. I didn't I didn't yield.
[00:59:34] Unknown:
Oh, I thought you said you yield. Sorry.
[00:59:37] Unknown:
No. No. I've been waiting.
[00:59:39] Roger Sales:
Okay. We're trying to get to your boss.
[00:59:43] Unknown:
Yeah. So Satya is trying to enlist the help of the attorney general of her state by reminding him he owes her his protection. So a point of concern is what we found in a recent court case. The petitioner was given a citation for driving without a license. His main argument is he's traveling in his private capacity and not in commerce. So he worked his way up to the Supreme Court, and he made,
[01:00:10] Roger Sales:
this statement US of of the of the US or of a state? The United States Supreme
[01:00:16] Unknown:
Supreme Court of the United States. Yes. The highest court. And he made this he made this statement he made this statement in his petition, which was recently filed in 2022. And, let me read it's just a quick statement.
[01:00:33] Roger Sales:
Let me can I ask you a question before you start reading it? Did he have an affidavit on file with the Secretary of State of the United States? Do we know that? That I don't know. But I it's probably It's just a statement I'd like to Well, the hinge the decision probably hinges on that. Go ahead.
[01:00:51] Unknown:
Right. I'm I'm interested in getting your thoughts on this. So the petitioner informed the municipal court that any attempt to issue a bench warrant for his arrest or otherwise attempt to collect a fine would result in a title 42 section 1983 lawsuit for deprivation of rights under color of law, and then this is the interesting statement. Petitioner also attempted Go ahead. No. No. No. This is the what I'm about to read is the interesting statement. Petitioner also attempted to enlist the aid of our state's attorney general, Allen Wilson, but was informed that it was not the job of the attorney general to protect a citizen's rights.
It was his job to protect the state and that he only issued opinions that were requested by state agents or agencies. So I'd like to get your thoughts on that.
[01:01:56] Roger Sales:
Well, I think the the crux of is they're considering him to be a 14th amendment citizen, it sounds like to me. And if he again, if you don't if you can't prove you're not a citizen of the United States, any of these people can move against you. That statement came from an IRS case, but it applies universally. You're you're you're their property. If you haven't effectively, specifically removed yourself from that, it it the presumption applies. And the when the presumption applies, if you're their property, they can pretty well do anything damn well they want to. You can't they? And they're the attorney general. And as I said, most of the, I'll bet you the 50 attorney generals, yeah, there may be one that knows some of this too, but not many. K? They don't know about this attaching back to the feudal system and these obligations.
They don't understand this bankruptcy, that they were put as a state under the federal government in this fictitious bankruptcy. They don't understand all that crap. Yes. We do. Yes, Paul.
[01:03:03] Unknown:
I think it's pretty clear from the from the wording of that statement that the state's attorney general is not working for the people. He is working he's acting in the interests of the state, the state of, and the federal government. Right. And there is no protection there. So there is nobody
[01:03:24] Roger Sales:
Oh, there's protection. Oh, there's protection. Alright. Protection from the federal government that they can ding your ass upside the head as much as they want.
[01:03:35] Unknown:
Yes. But there's no protection for the national state.
[01:03:39] Roger Sales:
For the the state. We don't know if he was a national. We don't know if he was a national or not. He said he was.
[01:03:48] Unknown:
Alright. Let me finish. There is no protection for the national in that state because there is no governing body that is active and seated to provide that protection.
[01:04:00] Roger Sales:
All there is is corporate That attorney no. That attorney general's wearing 2 hats. That common law still applies in that state. All those things still apply. This attorney general does not understand it is the problem. Nor, I would dare say, a lot of idiots up there that's sitting on the Supreme Court like Satanja Jackson.
[01:04:23] Unknown:
I agree with you, Robert. Swore an he never swore an oath to anything but the corporate constitution. He he never swore an oath to yeah.
[01:04:36] Roger Sales:
Okay. I don't know if he May I? I've never no. No. You may not. Just a second. We don't know of an oath that the attorney general say. And I would dare say it's to uphold the laws of the constitution and the state, which is their primary responsibility. Unfortunately, they're saddled with overseeing a bunch of federal property, namely you. Oh, I've seen the old address. Have an affidavit on file with the secretary of state. If he didn't, they're gonna treat him under the presumption he's their property. If he did, it proves just they don't know what they're doing.
They've how why would they? They don't teach them this stuff in law schools, and they've never had anybody approach them with these concepts before on, hey. You owe me something like protection, and it ain't a choice. It's a duty. It's an obligation. But you got informed of that. So I think the first part of that that Larry read where he said they were gonna tie try him under title 42, something about title 42, Larry. In the thing you said, wait. This is important. Well, it was right before that was the important part where they said, we're gonna teach you come after you on title 42. What's title 42? Civil rights.
So their presumption is that he's that already from what you read to me that I grasped. Larry, are you there? Larry, you're the one the one that brought this to him. Okay. Yes, sir. What was that first what was that first thing you read? You said, wait. This is 1983.
[01:06:21] Unknown:
Well, there it is. They're they're they're gonna I think it was the petitioner that was yeah. It was the petitioner that was threatening making the threat to file the, the title 42 1983 against the officials.
[01:06:36] Roger Sales:
Okay. Well, I don't know. You ever heard Brent talk about title 42, Larry? Brent Scott remind me. Reminds me. Well, he's got a nice little definition of it. He said, do you know what judges hate worse than the title 42 suit, Larry? What's that? Brought it. The person that brought it.
[01:07:03] Unknown:
Hey, Raj.
[01:07:04] Roger Sales:
Yes, Paul. I I don't know, Larry.
[01:07:08] Unknown:
The point I was trying to make is that I've seen the oath of office, and they swear an oath to uphold the constitution of the United States
[01:07:19] Roger Sales:
and Not America.
[01:07:20] Unknown:
State and the state of the constitution of the state of. That is the corporate entity all the way through. That's the only thing they swear allegiance to. Okay. Well, underneath those 2 is the old sub sub state,
[01:07:38] Roger Sales:
and they do recognize it because that guy that founded North Carolina state for 15 plus years up there never had any blowback on it. Never. Not once. Okay. So we need to So it underlies that. It's unseen. Just like National, they got that damn term buried so damn far and hidden so many ways. You would never figure it out if I didn't have this advantage of John Benson.
[01:08:06] Unknown:
Right.
[01:08:07] Unknown:
May I speak to the oath, please?
[01:08:10] Roger Sales:
Okay. Go ahead, Sherry.
[01:08:14] Unknown:
Doing one act in that office, obligates them to the oath whether they sign it or not. So I'm in agreement with you, Roger. It's still underlying underpinning everything, and we should be able to count on that. Yeah. So it doesn't matter who they score their oath to, but by acting in the capacity of that office obligates them to the constitution
[01:08:41] Roger Sales:
of US America. I don't know anything about that. I do know with all of Todd Callender's work and all the stuff they did on the federal level, just one on the state level, that there is statutorily required to orally take the oath and to file a properly notarized with all the important information in there with the Secretary of State. And what they found was, yes, some people took it orally. They'd send them a video and say, well, here they are taking the oath, but they didn't have it on file with the secretary of state. Or if they did, it wasn't notarized. Or in the case of Moshe Garfunkel, it didn't have a starting date for his job in the, oath. And all those things are required.
And if you don't have a oral one and that one filed, you are not legitimate. You are impersonating a federal officer. That's what I do know, Sherry.
[01:09:34] Unknown:
Okay. I wouldn't disagree. Now I know I've told this, situation before, and it was when I became successor trustee. And the attorney told me that usually, you have to sign an affidavit stating that you will accept that position. He said, but you do one act in that capacity,
[01:09:54] Roger Sales:
and that seals the deal. Okay. Well, then that's that's new that's first time I've ever heard that. K? And that's not statutorily correct because in the constitution, you have to have those other 2 or else you're impersonating a federal official. And according to Calendar, any of us could go up and arrest any of those people on the spot for impersonating a federal officer. And he tried to file that with the guy that oversees all the d c operations, and the guy never responded. K? We go back to the list of the 50 things the communist published that they had to accomplish back in the fifties. These were in, Cleon Skousen's book, The Naked Capitalist, I think, was the name of it. He used to be the assistant to J Edgar Hoover at the FBI. He's a Mormon boy, and all the Skousens that you see around on media are relatives of his. Okay? And one of those things was those fifty things was they had to get they had to take control of the FBI, one of them, and they had to get rid of oaths. That was another one. There's a whole bunch of them. You can find them. They're in the Library of Congress. They're listed and entered in the congressional record.
And I believe it was Cleon Skousan, s k o u s a n, I think, and it was called the Naked Capitalist, I believe. I bought one at a at a garage sale one time for a dollar. But all that stuff is the background of this. And Roger, wasn't it the naked communist? Well, it might have been, Dave. I'm I'm getting old. You know? I think it probably was naked communist, but, anyway, that was Cleon Skouser. Okay. Anybody else got any questions here? Yep. Roger. Roger. He's almighty. Yeah, Dave. I forgot I'm a go Dave first.
[01:11:47] Unknown:
Okay. So you guys kinda covered a little bit of this, what I'm gonna talk about here. I listened to John b Wells' Caravan at Midnight, on a little local radio station here. And I'm telling you, man, you gotta get back in touch with them and get on there because I've heard a few people call in kind of about what you say and not knowing that I've heard on any of your calls. But, he had this gal on, I believe, was Thursday night from Michigan, Rachel Atwood. And I didn't know this, but the the legislature here in Michigan is working feverishly late night sessions to pass these laws before Trump gets in Right. And this new the new senate here in Michigan.
And one of them is they're they've I don't know if they've passed it already, but they're adding a $100 fee to every registered vehicle, in in your possession for a state park, pass. Right now, you can go buy a state park pass, and it's good for all of your you know? Uh-huh. Yeah. And it's your option. And it's good for all your automobiles. Right? Well, they want you to pay a $100 extra. They're gonna charge every single car in Michigan a $100 for taxes to for maintenance, but that maintenance is going right in their ass back pocket.
[01:13:15] Roger Sales:
Anyway, there's some other stuff that passing. I would dare say that goes back to our definitive principle of everything's gotta be voluntary, doesn't it? You can go get and pay for a state park pass. They're trying to mandate it now. Somebody's gonna take that to court and it's gonna get kicked right out. I hope so. Voluntary.
[01:13:36] Unknown:
I know. I hear you. Alright. Yep. So, yeah, they're they're I just want to share that. And then anybody can can, protest this stuff in Michigan from anywhere in the country. So, look up, Rachel Atwood, Ottawa County, Michigan. She's all over social media, and she makes videos about, Whitmer and, in our, her 2, or his her 2 favorite gal pals, our attorney general and our, secretary of state. She says they are the most corrupt in the nation, the trio. And, she attacks them feverishly with videos, and she wears Scotch. Every every year on Halloween, she dresses up as a different form of Whitmer. And, she says she is so much fun to make fun of. But, yeah, it was a great show. You guys go back and listen on Rumble You got a to that Thursday night show on, Caravan at Midnight.
[01:14:34] Roger Sales:
Okay. Well, I I I think John and John and his his, bride, Brandy, can reach out to me at any time. I hadn't heard from him in a long time, so don't know. I can't. Could please put me on? Please put me on. And, also, let me just say that you got a hell of a coven of vegetarians up there in Michigan. Yes, Myrka?
[01:14:56] Unknown:
I mentioned it to Brandy too, Roger. I'm like, how are you guys doing with the affidavits? And she's both kinda working on it, like, learning, kinda researching it, but she hasn't responded.
[01:15:10] Roger Sales:
Okay. Well, she's swamped. She's swamped. And he's on a platform that he gets scrutinized on, Sinclair Broadcasting. And that was some of the problems with both me and Eli James is they have to sneak us in because the people above him didn't want the information put out anymore. Okay? Correct. So I think that's we're fighting all that stuff. So I But you're, you There are a bunch of places I wanna be. We're here, and I'm gonna put my foot in front of the other one every day that we're supposed to be on the air that I can right here. This is our home. Okay? Go ahead, Martha. Focused.
[01:15:49] Unknown:
I think you mentioned earlier a dialectic. I wanted to mention something, because some students are asking about the common law. And I you know, the federal government is supposedly because they're a corporation. They're sovereign too. They're federal citizens. So now they're trying to use dialectic with with corporation,
[01:16:13] Roger Sales:
their sovereignty goes to the people that put them in bankruptcy, the international monetary powers. Go ahead.
[01:16:21] Unknown:
What I wanted to mention was that there are there there's a lot of people that are falling for the common law that they are saying that they have and that they are following the common law, but, actually, it's their federal common law. And I brought it up with Brent, maybe, like, 3 weeks ago, a month ago, and we went over that on his show. And I asked him, you know, you know, you just mentioned that he's a fake yeah. Brent Winters? Okay. Yes. We went over it, and it was really good. I I need to go find the episode, but to and to share the date. But, he did say that there's a fake common law, and then there's the natural, you know, correct common law. And, you know, there's they're trying to impose their laws, their, regulations, their rules, their their man made, you know, whatever it is as a common law, but it is still the codes, the laws, and whatever they're trying to do and and trick people to believe that they are using common law federal. Remember, the common law was remember,
[01:17:35] Roger Sales:
Merck, because the common law was never even written down until Blackstone went into Oxford and started giving those lectures. It had never been written down ever.
[01:17:47] Unknown:
It's common law, common living, and common sense is what Well, and
[01:17:53] Roger Sales:
well, unless, let's, plug Brent's upcoming thing this coming Thursday is the first edition on Christian nationalism and how to live as a Christian national and form your life and possibly your locales, around these concepts. He's gonna start giving those with sheriff Darleaf from, Barrow County, Michigan, I believe. And they're gonna start doing that this Thursday. You can go to common lawyer.com and register and either even participate live or, listen live or listen later. So, anyway, that's coming up. That should be a real good series too. Barrie County, Roger. Barrie County. Okay. Sorry. My bad. Barrie County, Michigan.
[01:18:36] Unknown:
And, I'll probably bring it up again one day with Brent and see if we can talk about it again. I don't wanna forget about Julie's questions.
[01:18:44] Roger Sales:
I'm trying to get to him. It's only taken me an hour and 15 minutes.
[01:18:52] Unknown:
Thank you.
[01:18:54] Roger Sales:
Excuse me. I gotta look at something here. I don't know what that is. Hold on.
[01:19:02] Unknown:
Damn fly.
[01:19:04] Roger Sales:
Go, you little bastard. Okay. Sorry. We got these flies here, and that was one Iider injured, and he was flopping around. Okay. Anybody else got something to add to any of the discussion that has gone on previously in the program today? Hey, Roger. Any yes. Well, there's Wayne. Hey, Wayne.
[01:19:24] Unknown:
Yeah. How are you doing, bud?
[01:19:26] Roger Sales:
Well, pretty good all in all. How about you?
[01:19:30] Unknown:
Not bad at all. Hold on one second. Yeah. The, what I wanted to just contribute, and I've done it before is, whenever we wanna engage some of these public officials, I think it might be best to always start your notice out with thank you for your service and, I hereby accept your oath of office to the du jour Constitution in the state of Texas or, Texas state or whatever. I think Uh-huh. If you start out the conversation that way, it could very well, put them remedial. You put them on notice that, you know, you're coming at us from a different angle from most letters they get.
[01:20:05] Roger Sales:
Yeah. I think, well, you know, it's just like mama used to say, Wayne, honey draws more flies than vinegar. Oh, yeah.
[01:20:13] Unknown:
Absolutely. And I think the the legal term might be joinder. I think and I don't haven't looked at in a while, but what we're trying to do is create a relationship called joinder where I think reach looking out for each other's benefit, which could be the Allegiance for Protection type idea.
[01:20:29] Roger Sales:
Much interesting. I thought joiners when you joined a existing lawsuit, but it might have other meetings also. Yeah.
[01:20:38] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. Possible. I look at it. Good a good, time to look up there. Maybe something else
[01:20:43] Roger Sales:
Okay, buddy. Thank you. Thank you so much. And, and, Wayne Roger. Your time listener. There's Larry again. Yes, sir.
[01:20:53] Unknown:
Yeah. I was wondering if Wayne could, answer the question. Is the IRS commissioner supposed to have an oath of office also on file?
[01:21:07] Roger Sales:
You know what? I I would doubt that he I would doubt that he does because they're not an official, government agency. You know that, Larry?
[01:21:19] Unknown:
Right.
[01:21:21] Unknown:
Yeah. I I actually have the, court document that shows that they are not an agency.
[01:21:28] Roger Sales:
Yep. That was that, those depositions that, Ralph Winery used to have where they they ask in a deposition, the US attorney, is the IRS a government agency, and she declined. She just said no. That's the same one I'm thinking of. Right, Larry? Exactly. Yeah. I think it's the same one. But, yeah, I don't have that. Company. It was a lawsuit to some metals company, and this was a deposition associated with the suit, and they were deposing a US attorney. So that's where that came from. Verification Right. And there's also a verification attorney. There's the Department of Justice that was involved. But, yeah, I think that's the same one because I remember that one of the,
[01:22:11] Unknown:
parties was, something with metal.
[01:22:13] Roger Sales:
Yeah. It's metals company. Also, you can go back to you can look this up on the Internet, Woodrow Wilson's Repudiation of Dollar Diplomacy. It's a very short little document, a couple paragraphs. Woodrow Wilson's Repudiation of Dollar Diplomacy. Julie, you probably not heard this before. Back when Wilson was first elected, he was approached, as he says in this little this little document, by a consortium of bankers, and they wanted him to cosign, undersign, a loan to China for a $100,000,000. Boy, this has got some really interesting implications. K?
And so this was the very first document I ever found at the Cobb County Library as I started getting into researching this, and it lays out the blueprint of the new world order. K? And so they had approached him to undersign. Why would they want him to undersign? So that the military could go with arms to collect the taxes. The, taxes he described here. And, he refused to sign it. Obviously, it was early in his presidency and they didn't have those letters to his concubine yet. Or at least they weren't holding his feet to the fire with him. And so, he refused, and he lays out in a paragraph the reasons. One of them was the tax system.
I think I'm quoting pretty accurately here but because it is, quote, burdensome and antiquated. Is our tax system burdensome and antiquated? You bet your ass it is intentionally. Okay? And administered by foreign agents. That's in the Wilson document. Burdensome and antiquated and administered by foreign agents. IRS is not a government agency. They are under the International Monetary Fund. Now, Larry, who's their boss? Who's under the structure? Who's their boss?
[01:24:19] Unknown:
Yes. The, the secretary of the treasury.
[01:24:23] Roger Sales:
Everything that secretary of the treasury says they gotta do. She Janet Yellen. Secretary well, now, she's the secretary. And, if you'll remember and you wanna go back and do some cross checking here, excuse me. You can go back to Black's Law Dictionary and look up bank holiday of 1933. Bank holiday of 1933. And I'm gonna paraphrase it here. It says, the banks were shut down for 5 days and were later reopened under regulations from the secretary of treasury blah blah blah. So they closed the banks for 5 days. They took all the gold. They came back out and reopened it with bonds that are now back by about 13 years of birth certificates and other commercial documents.
They reissue the bonds in the new bankrupt of the United States, and they switched the system. Unknowingly, you were the collateral for the damn things. But they couldn't develop that for a couple of decades, and they didn't get it finalized until the last move they took, which was Brown versus Board of Education making the two statuses equal. And 60 days later to the day, they put the 1954 revenue code in place, and that's the revenue code that we use today. That was the end game right there because the tax system is the integral part of their system. And if they don't have it, they ain't got a system. They got to be able to drive those bondholders.
K?
[01:26:03] Unknown:
I would think that the IRS commissioner would have to have an oath of office because he's appointed by the president, and even federal judges in the district courts, they're appointed by the president, and they have to have a oath of office. Correct? No.
[01:26:20] Roger Sales:
Well, federal judges do, but they're not a quasi corp, quasi agency. The IRS is a quasi agency. I I my statement was totally speculatory. You guys get digged down to the depths of some of this stuff that I've never even approached. K? So The reason I say all this
[01:26:40] Unknown:
speculation. Yeah. It might be a well, I I like Wayne's idea. Maybe we should add that to if indeed he has an oath of office or is required to have 1, that might be a good statement.
[01:26:51] Unknown:
The IRS commissioner is required to take an oath of office,
[01:26:55] Roger Sales:
I e. Well, there you go. Okay. Well, that must be the definitive answer. Okay? Roger, do you know who the new,
[01:27:03] Unknown:
do you know who the the new IRS commissioner is gonna be?
[01:27:08] Roger Sales:
No.
[01:27:10] Unknown:
Congressman Billy Long.
[01:27:12] Unknown:
Who?
[01:27:14] Unknown:
Congressman Billy Long. Okay. He's an auctioneer and a CPA.
[01:27:22] Roger Sales:
Yeah. Well, we need to get him 1.1 dash 1 a, I guess. So we need to start. Well, we send those, notices to him. So let him see that when he gets in.
[01:27:33] Unknown:
I think all the students should, pay attention to see if he actually is initiated an oath of office also. So
[01:27:42] Roger Sales:
I have a feeling the Trump administration will do things by the jot and the tittle. Again, we'll see. K? Now I yield. Okay. I I hesitate to ask this. Does anybody else have anything to bring forward? Usually, I'm begging you. Now I'm worried about Roger, I have a question.
[01:28:04] Unknown:
This is great.
[01:28:06] Roger Sales:
Hey, Britney. Question.
[01:28:07] Unknown:
This is off topic maybe or, like, something you said several weeks ago is, if we don't file tax returns and stuff because we're nationals,
[01:28:15] Roger Sales:
how are we supposed to get, like, bank loans and things like that? I know the whole thing is a scam because they borrow your signature from the last calls. Well, that's that's quite interesting. And I would say that that you're not gonna find any banks that are gonna make a loan to you without your last 3 years of tax returns. That cost one of our students a pretty penny here recently because he had done a revocation of election and had gotten a whole bunch of money back, and I mean a lot of money. You're a Bitcoin girl. You'd appreciate that amount. I'm not gonna say it on the air.
And, so then he inherited his uncle's family farm, and he went up there to to start getting his uncle's line of credit reestablished in his name. And they required him to have 3 past years' tax returns. And he had to go give all that money back to the IRS because the money made off the farm dwarfs that. Okay? So now here's your option. There's private money out there. There's private money you can go and and borrow and and pools of it and bypass the banks. I don't know where to point you, but I know they're out there. Okay?
[01:29:26] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. I just was wondering about that. And then, your second question
[01:29:31] Roger Sales:
Well, you got a bunch of that Bitcoin. You're your own bank, aren't you?
[01:29:36] Unknown:
Yeah. Just about, but still, I like to leverage your system because then why would I put up my own capital up for everything. You know?
[01:29:45] Roger Sales:
Yeah. Well Yeah. It depends on the situation. You know? You control people 1 or 2 ways, either through debt or by force, and they can't do it by force. So they do it by debt. And if you go into that with your big old pretty eyes wide open, then I guess everything's alright.
[01:30:05] Unknown:
Okay. And then being a national, it only,
[01:30:08] Roger Sales:
helps anything going forward. Anything in previous It's not retroactive. Is that correct? Well, you could probably go back and try and file some suits for fraud, but you're never gonna find a court that's gonna hear it. What judge? What judge is gonna go down as the judge that pulled the bottom card out of the house of cards?
[01:30:31] Unknown:
Mhmm. Right. No. I agree. Yeah. And that's kind of the question. Like, let's say, like, we're talking about the car registration or police officer gives you a citation and stuff. Now if you're a national and then they approach you and then let's say they still throw you in jail or whatever, they write you a ticket. Is there,
[01:30:50] Roger Sales:
repercussions of them doing that to you? They should. If that well, here's where here's where the notice comes in because if you've done all the back end notice weaponizing your position, I like to think of it as, and they have not objected to that or overcome that notice, then should they do that to you, they're acting outside their delegated responsibilities. You're not that person. They threw that person in jail thinking you're a citizen of the United States. They'd been given notice that you weren't and the documentation that you weren't and the proof that you weren't and they acted anyway. Well, they lose their cloak of immunity, and now you're supposed to be conceptually, theoretically, you should be able to take them to court and take everything they've got.
[01:31:38] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. I was just curious about that. Again, I And now and hold on. Let let me finish. There's a button.
[01:31:43] Roger Sales:
There's a button up here. Not only should the deputy and the sheriff be, suitable for lawsuit, but because you've tied them in properly through the laws of agency with the state attorney general, the state attorney general should have been overseeing this, and they lose their cloak of immunity also theoretically.
[01:32:07] Unknown:
Okay. No. That makes sense. I was just, curious.
[01:32:10] Roger Sales:
Mhmm. Okay. Alright. So we'll get you taken care of. All the questions I had. Yep. That was it. Okay. Glad you're hanging around, Purdy. Now, Julie Thank you.
[01:32:20] Unknown:
Yep. Hey, Roger. I just wanted to let you know that the current IRS commissioner's term doesn't expire until 2027.
[01:32:27] Roger Sales:
Okay. Well, maybe Trump will throw him out of there. We'll see.
[01:32:31] Unknown:
Look. And then also everybody everybody everybody needs to be aware of, Todd Callender and doctor Lee Vallett. They they actually did FOIA requests on every single person Oh, I know how you who's who's required to do an oath of office and Wow. There's only, like, one person out of everybody that did a proper oath of office, which means they didn't have it notarized properly.
[01:32:52] Roger Sales:
Correct. Or the proper information in there, they're in Veith, and Todd didn't do that. Their paralegal did. But she's the one that got the idea.
[01:33:02] Unknown:
Exactly.
[01:33:03] Roger Sales:
Alright. Now, Julie, I'm try I thought the whole show would be dedicated to your 2 questions today. We got about 30 minutes left. K? Quite a brisk discussion here today, and I wanna thank everybody that's brought that stuff to the forefront because I think everybody's interested in it. And, yes, Merck has got an injection here. Yes, ma'am?
[01:33:25] Unknown:
Just, to double check the information you shared about the private bank,
[01:33:30] Roger Sales:
can you repeat that? And, Sandra, I was not in the process. I just wanted to cover private pools of money out there. We had a guy that used to be in that business from Georgia. Came on, told us about it one day. I can't point you to anybody, but you start asking questions. There's private investors, that will loan you money, and you don't have to go through a bank.
[01:33:50] Unknown:
Right. And what was the wasn't there a book that you mentioned? Or
[01:33:54] Roger Sales:
No. Or Not to deal with that. I don't I don't know anything about that. I I guess I knew they were there intrinsically, but never really had it identified until whoever the person was from I think it's a guy from Saint Simons Simons that called up and gave us that information. There's also another thing, Julie. You're you're a eye deep in the real estate business. Have you ever heard of assignment of pre principal payments before?
[01:34:22] Unknown:
Yes. I've heard of the assignment of the principal payments.
[01:34:25] Roger Sales:
Oh, you do? Okay. Good. I was trying to explain that to a real estate buddy of mine down here. They had a hard time grasping that, but that came out on the show one day. I've never heard of it either. But, man, I wish I would have a long time ago. K? Because you could really use that in your advantage. We won't get into. It's too complex. I got 2 things on the table from Julie. Core band and going over the monetary system on the promising promissory note. You wanted clarification on both those things. Right?
[01:34:57] Unknown:
Yeah. I wanted to you to go over again the promissory note and how they, how they then who how they issue that into a bond and who the bond holders are to generate the fake money. Alright. Well, they they they don't turn it into a bond. They leave it in a promissory note.
[01:35:14] Roger Sales:
They do a a bond on the federal level to underpin the whole system, but I'm just talking about you're in the mortgage business. Somebody goes and and takes out a mortgage on a house. They get approved by an underwriter and how that process goes. Okay? Now I might can get through both of them here, but I like to give a background on things, and both of these things can get fairly in-depth. Let's deal with the promissory note first.
[01:35:42] Unknown:
You've heard the, you've heard the
[01:35:45] Roger Sales:
saying there is no money, there's only credit.
[01:35:47] Unknown:
Correct.
[01:35:48] Roger Sales:
Alright. Well, with the credit is us. We start the whole system with that bond. That's when you're born, you're assigned, your parents were both surfs. They didn't know it, but they were. They agreed to it every time they were ever asked. And so that means you were born in servitude to the so when your feet came out of mama's birth canal, you were a serf. That because you couldn't agree to that till you were 18, you didn't have to. But after you turned 18, you started getting these little things with these questions on them, like, are you a citizen of the United States? Are you a resident? You, not knowing any different, thinking there might be repercussions if you answered negatively, answered positively through both those questions, signed something, and agreed to their silent contract that well, hey.
Julia ought to know what she is, shouldn't she? Ignorance of the law is no excuse. You were supposed to know you were free. Do you know that? Okay. So that's the scam. Alright? Now you have that birth certificate that's issued to you at birth. Julie, have you come across the, information that we got from Brian Howard straight from the hospital in Austin, Texas where both of his daughters were born on this issue?
[01:37:07] Unknown:
No.
[01:37:09] Roger Sales:
Wow. More background. Well, I'm what I'm telling you has been proven by the hospital. K? And we'll go into the story one day next week if you wanna ask. But I can't get all 3 of these in. I promise you. K? So, anyway, the birth certificate is considered to be we are virtually positive a warehouse receipt. Birth certificates started in the states originally in the 1800, but they were probably and I'm I'm speculating here. They because they didn't have the power to do this, and the 14th amendment wasn't in place. So when they assigned a birth certificate to somebody in Massachusetts, I think, was the first one. Lisa researched it one day. We're talking about it. There were several states. They didn't have one on the federal level. And so knowing what their scheme was gonna be in the very first depression in 21 2021, there was a very short one because and I'm who the president who I it wouldn't Coolidge.
It might have been silent, Cal. Might have been Coolidge. Just let the thing work out, by itself and it straightened itself out in 2 years. But it was in that period of time, and they always like to do things when you're distracted. It was in that period of time that they passed a federal birth certificate act. So from 1920, 21, whenever that was, all the way until 1933, they had stacks of birth certificates piling up on the federal level because they knew they were gonna do this, and they wanna use those as collateral for the new bonds that are issued after the bankruptcy. See, they bankrupted the country in 33. This has nothing to do with 29 and the stock market crashed. This is all on 33 and a bond crash.
They bankrupted the country in the international bond market. K? And so Wasn't that wasn't that under FDR and wasn't that also fake? No. No. It wasn't. Well, yes. It was under FDR. But 2 2 or 3 days into his presidency because they used to, inaugurate presidents in around March 5th back in those days. So this is March 9th. So, yes, in the first couple of days of his presidency, they had this all stoked up and fired and ready to go. Okay? So they had piles of birth certificates acting as a warehouse receipt on a secondary level known to them, not to us. And that warehouse receipt is a commercial document. It's in the UCC, been around for a long time. It's very legitimate, and the warehouse receipt takes on the quality of the good, and the good takes on a shadowy existence.
So when you got a warehouse receipt on a a bunch of corn out in a silo somewhere, okay, the warehouse receipt is the corn. Oh, you don't have to go get the corn when you sell it to somebody. You give them the warehouse receipt because the warehouse receipt is the corn. Are you with me?
[01:40:16] Unknown:
Yep.
[01:40:17] Roger Sales:
Okay. So, so that that they had these things stacked up, and they knew that they were gonna have to reissue new bonds. And I think what's going on is they had been stealing gold out of the US. I think the price of gold in Europe was triple at that point, and they'd been stealing gold out of the banks and taking it to Europe and arbitraging it. Okay? So it was partly evidently if that's true because their little ass was painted into a corner. They're they're about to get caught with all this thievery. Alright? So they bankrupt the country and used to be in contracts previous to 33.
There was a gold settlement clause. So if you couldn't settle in whatever the currency that was recognized, you had to settle in gold. Well, they wiped all the gold settlement clauses out of all the contracts. K? That was one of the big things they had to do because they were switching the system to your future labor. Alright? So now that's what we're talking about. So, Julie, you're in the real estate business. You've seen you you've been to a few closings, I take it.
[01:41:28] Unknown:
Yes. I have.
[01:41:29] Roger Sales:
Oak okay. So when they sign, they take somebody into, to do the not not the closing, but the signing of the documents there. What's the first pay piece of paper on top? There's a couple inches of papers they gotta sign. Right? What's the first one?
[01:41:47] Unknown:
Well, it's the promissory note and the Yep. Settlement statement.
[01:41:51] Roger Sales:
Yep. Promissory note right there on top. If you don't sign that, you don't have to sign all the rest of those inches of paper, do you? Nope. Because that promissory note does everything. A promissory note, once again, we're going back to Babylonian merchant code. This is where you need to understand and have a working knowledge of some of this stuff. A promissory note is a promise to pay. Right? Well, hold on. I got a Federal Reserve note here. It says Federal Reserve note right at the top, doesn't it? Well, that says note. Anytime the word note is used in any legal context, its meaning is always promissory note. Well, there's a promissory note on the top of the bill I got in my hand, isn't there?
[01:42:35] Unknown:
Yep. It's monopoly money.
[01:42:37] Roger Sales:
Alright. Well, what's the promise to pay? Do I take this to Janet Yellen and say, this used to buy a dollar's worth that only buys 2¢ worth now? Where's my where's the my other 98¢, you bitch? Okay? Well, you don't do that, do you? It doesn't apply there, does it?
[01:42:56] Unknown:
No.
[01:42:57] Roger Sales:
Where does it apply? If they just use this full faith and credit of the United States, they print on those bills, they just pull that out of their sphincter muscle or what? Where's the promise to pay? The bondholder. See, you never get circulating currency unless there's a bond that backs it. When they print up the Federal Reserve notes, they print up the same amount of bonds and they give both the bonds and the Federal Reserve notes, the bonds that back them, up to the Federal Reserve. They take the bonds, and they got primary bond dealers like Scanner Fitzgerald that we heard a lot about back in 911, top floor of the Twin Towers. They're a primary bond dealer. What's that mean? When the when they issue these bonds, the people that are have committed to be a primary bond dealer, they have to take all the bonds. So if they've got a $100,000,000,000 worth of bonds, the Federal Reserve doesn't keep any of them. They give them to the primary, bond dealer because they're obligated to take all of them. And if they can't sell them now and it's just something I've come to recently. I thought the Federal Reserve had to buy back those bonds if nobody wanted them, but that's not true, Julie. Guess who buys them?
[01:44:22] Unknown:
Treasury. The banks.
[01:44:25] Roger Sales:
Secretary of the Treasury. So when nobody wants them, Federal Reserve don't want them, they sell them to the Treasury. So everything is designed to protect these slimy slaving bastards. Alright? Because that's what they are. So the other part, the promissory notes, the bonds go to the primary bond dealers. They're then, they're then circulated and sold. And, you know, if you go look up in Black's Law Dictionary, Julie, if you go look up a villain regardant, that's v I l l e I n is the way it's spelled properly. Villain, we say villain. It should be pronounced villain.
Villain regardant. There's a number of different types of villains. By the way, you're a knave, Julie. And there's a number of different types of villains. And under this villain regard, the definition is a villain attached to the land property and transferable by deed. So when they sell those bonds internationally to other investors or other people, it transfers you by deed to them.
[01:45:44] Unknown:
Hey, Raj.
[01:45:45] Roger Sales:
Yes.
[01:45:46] Unknown:
I have a quick little fun fact here. Amendment 20 to the constitution was ratified on January 23rd 1933, it changed the original calendar dates for the president and vice president's terms from March 4th to January 20th. Yep. More fun facts about 1933.
[01:46:08] Roger Sales:
Okay. But it's a very important date. K. Obviously. So, Julie, now we're gonna get into your question here. So there is nothing but these birth certificates or collateral attached to these bonds. That's the people pay them funds, currency, to buy the bonds to get a return on investment. That's the original credit spout. That's why the tax thing is so critical. They've gotta pay those bond holders to keep the legitimacy of the system up. So there's the credit spout. Everything else is credit above that. So when your people wanna go buy a mortgage, they do that, all that stuff, and they go in to that closing and they boom. And they get that mortgage document. And, we had a black listener from Maryland on a few years ago. He was a mortgage. He was in the mortgage business, and he had a radio show about it. His name was Eric Kate. He's a real good guy.
And he was saying, well, I got turned on to this because I was in a closing attorney's office where I had a friend that's he works there, and I was back there talking to her. And she was taking all these days closing documents, flipping them over, stamping them. Boom. But put them over, stamping them. And he said, well, hold on. What are you stamping on the back of that? What do you think it said, Julie?
[01:47:27] Unknown:
Bond or something.
[01:47:29] Roger Sales:
For deposit in any Federal Reserve Bank. So the Fed is taking all of the mortgages on discount. Why? Because that's where the bulk share of the whole payout is. You don't pay a damn penny off your mortgage for 15 years if you got a 30 year mortgage and you're paying it right.
[01:47:50] Unknown:
Yeah. You're just playing interest only.
[01:47:52] Roger Sales:
Yes. The whole 5th 1st 15 years is nothing but vigorous. Well, that's what they want. They're damn Jews. They want the vigorous. You know what vigorous is?
[01:48:06] Unknown:
It's a bad word.
[01:48:07] Roger Sales:
It's interest. Compound interest. Interest. Compound interest is vigorous. That's what they call it.
[01:48:13] Unknown:
Vague. You might hear it referred to vig. Okay. So now Yeah. That's why they that's why that's why the banks love it when you refinance because you start all over again and you start Yeah. Especially for the people that do 30 year mortgages all over again. You start all over with your interest payments again. Well, don't forget we mentioned it a couple weeks ago
[01:48:31] Roger Sales:
when we were talking to doctor Gene Schroeder, a term came up called Mortmain. Do you know about that?
[01:48:37] Unknown:
I I think I missed that.
[01:48:40] Roger Sales:
I think I missed that. Mortmain is the root word of mortgage. It means a death grip. It's ancient. Okay? So, anyway, when they signed that promissory note, now they created a 30 year mortgage of payments, didn't they? Was it there before? No. Nope. They signed that promissory note. Now they obligated themselves to pay so many payments and so much principal and so much interest for 360 months. Right? Yep. Well, they signed it when they signed it, they created the money. Like, I I've been I'm using the term when they signed it, they created the currency. They monetized the currency is how the treasury says it. They're the dead pieces of green paper with dead presidents on them sitting in a warehouse are not quote, unquote money. They're pieces of dead paper with presidents on them.
Them. Not until someone takes out a loan and that amount, basically, you the monetized collateral amount, whatever you're putting up as a collateral is monetized, and then that is circulating currency. But here's the rub. They don't create the interest payments. They only monetize your principal. So if the house is $300,000, then your payout over 30 years is $900,000, basically. Rule of thumb, if I remember right. Right? Yep. It's 3 times what the mortgage is, basically. Okay? So when they sign that mortgage, they only loaned the 300,000 into circulation.
The other 600,000 was not loaned into circulation. You get that? Are you with me? Yeah.
[01:50:36] Unknown:
Yeah.
[01:50:37] Roger Sales:
So you see the scam now there on that compound interest over that loan is where there is accuracy in the phrase making money out of thin air. They they make money out of thin air off the proceeds of the interest off the monetized collateral. K? But do you know any bankers that loan 1,000,000,000 of dollars out without compound interest on one side and collateralization on the other? No. Well, I don't either. Okay? And these guys don't either. So that phrase, when you hear someone say they make money out of thin air, they don't really understand what they're talking about because they don't make money. It's only monetized when it's loaned, and the only thing they loan into circulation is the monetary value of your collateral. They never loan in the interest. And then your collateral depreciates generally.
And then on the other side is compound interest as Einstein called it the 8th wonder of the world. So the sad fact is if every loan in America that's outstanding was paid off, we would have no circulating medium because there's not enough to pay off all the compounding interest that's compounded on all these loans over all this time. You with me there?
[01:51:59] Unknown:
Yeah. But when I've gone in to buy houses before, I've actually, like, brought in a check from Bank of America before.
[01:52:08] Roger Sales:
Okay. Well, that's good. Then, yeah, that's a that's a I can figure out what that what does that check place apart? Well, that's taking circulating currency and paying in cash for your new collateral. This other is financing it on a promissory note. They're 2 different animals. Alright. Oh, yes. Who's the guy?
[01:52:28] Unknown:
I just I saw that
[01:52:31] Roger Sales:
up. Yeah. Let me hold on, Brent. Who was the first one?
[01:52:39] Unknown:
I I think it was me.
[01:52:41] Roger Sales:
Yes. It was. Great. What what's your comment?
[01:52:44] Unknown:
Okay. So when when you sign the promissory note, the bank, what they do is they bring it to the Federal Reserve window with an application for Federal Reserve notes. Okay? The Federal Reserve notes can come digitally, or they can come in the form of a check. Okay? And then they'll just write back out. So when they do this, they consider the promissory note collateral security.
[01:53:06] Roger Sales:
Of course. Because you promised to pay it. You were checked out for credit worthiness. But we haven't even got to the switch yet. We haven't even got to the switch yet on the double entry bookkeeping. K? The switch hadn't been defined yet. You're saying they take it to the Federal Reserve window. And from what this guy told me, every one of them damn things were were taken to the Federal Reserve window every day. And knowing these people, I would think that that is one note that they definitely want to buy discounted because it's all interest on the front end. K? So yeah. Alright. I'll Brent, hold on a second whoever you were. Brent, what what's your comment?
[01:53:46] Unknown:
I wanted to say to Julie, vigorous isn't niggerish, but it is juicery.
[01:53:56] Roger Sales:
There there you go. Oh, Brent, you're such a breath of fresh air.
[01:54:00] Unknown:
Raj? Yes. Just a quick comment. Just a quick comment. Newley, when you show up there with a check from Bank of America, you had to sign something to get that check. Correct. It's just different promise order note.
[01:54:16] Roger Sales:
Thank you. Alright. Alright. But let me here's where they do the on any loan, you gotta sign the problem. Buy a car. You sign the promissory note, mortgage, etcetera, whatever it is. When you do that, you've created monetized collateral because they take the amount of your collateral and monetize that and loan it into circulation. Again, the interest compounding is never loaned into circulation. Somebody else has gotta take out another loan for a car or a house, and you've gotta beat them out of their principal so you can pay your interest and keep your collateral. Do you see the game?
[01:54:53] Unknown:
Yep.
[01:54:54] Roger Sales:
Okay. Now the way they do it is where the fraud is. Okay? First of all, they never gave you any quote, unquote money. They gave you credit represented in Federal Reserve notes, a promise to pay. That's not money. It's a promise to pay. Right? Yep. Okay. So they're representing it to be one thing, yet it's another. Okay? Fraud. So here's what they do. When you leave, they take that instrument, whichever it is, and they go back to the financial institution, and they put it on the liability side of the ledger. The I o I o, it's off to work I go on that side.
But it's not a liability. It's an asset. You've signed your name to but put all this currency in circulation with interest. So it's it's not a liability to them. It's an asset, isn't it? Well, here's the fraud. That's the fraud.
[01:55:53] Unknown:
They then take the other book Oh oh oh oh, Roger Woodpey. Oh. What's the other Please. Let me finish, please. Okay?
[01:56:01] Roger Sales:
Then they take that and they discount it into the secondary market of investors at a discount. So instead of if it's a mortgage, instead of $900,000 payout over 30 years, they might sell it for 500,000. So they're gonna give the investor that lump sum of that return, and they're gonna take a quick return. So they discount it to another investor. That investor now, like your other question, pays them in currency. So they bring that currency back and put it on the asset side of the ledger to balance out the liability, and that's what they pay off your house or your car with.
There's the fraud right there.
[01:56:46] Unknown:
So Hey, Rob. If they put if they list this as if they if they list this as a liability on their side,
[01:56:53] Roger Sales:
what do they debit on the asset side of the ledger when they're doing that? The current the the currency that they get back from discounting the note into the secondary market. Okay. But they discounted it. So what's the other plug in? Because the I I Julie Julie, I don't I can't answer that. I'm not a CPA. I'm telling you what the action is from a CPA expert witness, and the guy that told him this was a federal bank regulator. Okay? Right. That's the source of what I'm telling you.
[01:57:29] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you.
[01:57:31] Unknown:
Okay. I I could say something on that. So what they're doing is they put it on the they they go register these things on the Security Exchange Commission. Okay? So what this is, this is a remake, right, where they take these, real estate mortgage, and they they group all these mortgages together and then sell them, on the like, they're backed by a pool of mortgages, basically, what these things are. Right? And they're they're debt securities to back to public debt. So even though that the original note has gone to the Federal Reserve window and was and was exchanged for Federal Reserve notes, they go and then sell them to well, it goes into remake. It gets put on the, the mortgage backed security. It gets sold on on the security exchange commission.
[01:58:19] Roger Sales:
In tranches. And then people buy and trade them. Right. And they're that led up to the tranches. And that was the big, the big switch or what was the name of that movie from o eight? The big con, the big somebody help me here. Short. Short. The big short. The big short. That's all big short thing. Okay? So, Julie, I wanna go back to Julie. I wanna make sure this is clear in her mind. Do you see from the big picture conceptual overview what's happening here?
[01:58:50] Unknown:
Yeah. I do. And I do understand that collateralized bond market and stuff because I used to audit Fannie and Freddie Mac's books. So I understand what they do and how they pull all these mortgages and sell them off in the secondary market.
[01:59:03] Roger Sales:
It's it's crim well, it's criminal what they're doing. It's all fraud. Tom Schauff had when he first figured this out, they had some customers, I think, in Arizona that went to court and sued the bank that they didn't loan them money. And there was fraud involved, and the judge put the case under Seel and gave them the key to their house.
[01:59:29] Unknown:
And how do you spell Schaaf?
[01:59:31] Roger Sales:
S c h a u f or double f. They've scrubbed the Internet of him. You probably can't find much, but you may be able to. Tom was his first name. He was in Chicago, then he moved to Arizona, and then I lost touch of him. He trained a bunch of CPAs on this, and so there may be other information on this out there from one of them. But the originator of it was Tom Schauff. He was an expert witness. He had qualified himself to do expert accounting testimony, forensic. And he found out there was no school that certified so, CPAs to do that. And so he started a school, and one of his students was a federal regulator who pulled him aside and tells the expert CPA, hey. Do you know every loan in America is a fraud?
And the expert CPA goes, what are you talking about? And explained to him what I just explained to you.
[02:00:31] Unknown:
Wow.
[02:00:32] Unknown:
Okay? Roger?
[02:00:34] Roger Sales:
Yeah. Yeah, Joe.
[02:00:36] Unknown:
So, the thing is that the banks are now allowed to actually loan any money. So what what I found out is that, really, what you're doing is you're selling the bank a security, which they which they then exchange, right, for a, you know, for, like, a house or a car, whatever it is. So Could be. And and if you if you actually report it to the IRS correctly, there's no debt to be paid after that because it's it's a settled matter.
[02:01:07] Roger Sales:
And because you're you're starting to tell me everything go get into the details and all that stuff. I just know I'll never own another mortgage. K? Or I should say another mortgage will never own me. Put it that way. So, Julie, you had 2 questions. I just flat couldn't get to the second one. Sorry. We can do it next week, though. On Monday. Well, yeah, we can do that second hour. And remember, it's Korban. So, probably some of the audience heard that. Probably some of them haven't. Anyway, we're about to get cut off the air here. Paul's trigger finger is itchy. And so, we'll just say that we'll see you as the world restarts on Monday, 6th.
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[00:02:25] Roger Sales:
Us too. Us too, Alvin. Alright. We're gonna do another take another stab at it here this morning on the old Sabado edition. Paul, you're mumbling there in the background. Do you have something you'd like to bring us? I guess not. Okay. Well, it is, the, Sabado. That's Saturday in Spanish edition, and, of the new year, first one. First one to 25. Sure enough. Got a couple important things on the schedule already to discuss today, which I like teaching stuff for you. And, Roger Sales, your host, Radio Ranch, the name of our little get together.
I did say it was, 1425, and, we're on an abbreviated an abbreviated portfolio. That's a good, an abbreviated portfolio of, other, of assisting, network feeds today, be being it is Saturday. And, Paul's the one that keeps up with all that stuff, what day, who it's going to, what part of the world we're saying a 2, and all that stuff. So I'm gonna let him come out and do it again.
[00:03:35] Unknown:
Really, really, the only place we're going yeah. Really, the only places we're going today are eurofolkradio.com and potentially, Radio Soapbox. I'm still I'm I'm switching us over for Global Voice Network is not gonna be on speaker anymore because they don't they no longer support live, But I am moving, to Pod Home, which also supports automatic titling and AI generated transcripts and descriptions for the, for the program. So Wow. Yeah. We're gonna be doing, like, way cool stuff. Alright. And, I believe if you go to radio.globalvoiceradio.net, it will go to the main tracks page, and you can, like, check out the transcript for the December 31st show. That's the only one that I updated. Well, that will, that will alleviate taking notes for some of these folks. Well, that's good. It will alleviate taking notes. They will be able to download the entire transcript, and, they they'll be able to download the audio file for the podcast if they want to keep a a physical copy of it. We had a fellow,
[00:04:56] Roger Sales:
a listener back before you started coming around, Paul. The real techie. And, when I was over on Truth Frequency Radio, and he would send me he would sit there and transcript every show I did and send me the whole transcript like I needed it. You know? And, he is the one that had all of the shows recorded, and he got them to Daryl. So all those, even though they're over on Truth Frequency Radio, should you wanna go over and poo poo around in the Chris Ego's sandbox, but Daryl's got all those too, and John's got a bunch of the early early broadcasts.
And I think we could probably put put and pit together most of the time I've been on the air. Might miss a few, but I mean, come on. You know? Hell, I've been I've been such a journeyman. You know, I got so damn many ex wives, with womanizing with radio. I've I've I've left so many ex wives along the trail. And, I found out most of these guys were were not the guys I thought they were.
[00:06:04] Unknown:
That's funny.
[00:06:05] Roger Sales:
That way. Paul, I've got a, something's on my mind. I haven't done it yet, but I'm gonna go ahead and tell you all about it because I've made up my mind to do it. Just over the last few days, and I don't know how I don't know how many of you listen to Alex, or info wars or whatever. It's, you know, Alex is a very interesting fellow. He's extremely dedicated. I've had my ins and outs with him, not personally, but as a, partaker of his product. And, but he has proven to me that he is way beyond, any reproach. And his father, of course, and you may not know this. All are some of the audience might not if you don't listen. His father was a real high end oral surgeon who got tapped by the new world order because of his his intelligence, you know, and they give you IQ tests when you're little and stuff and the people that they can really tell are very bright. They try and co opt and get them into the new world order scheme.
The, the the the great legal researcher John Nelson that he was one of those guys. And Alex, Alex's father turned on him finally. That's how Alex knows so much about this is his his parents and part of his other family were involved in this. Anyway, his dad wouldn't like to become an over his dad went on to become an That's okay. His dad went on to become an oral surgeon. He's retired now. The Feds are after him. They've just about bankrupted him. And he's the one with his background that's been, going off and helping to at least start or or or or partake in the formulation of all these wonderful, products that they sell over there.
And so what Alex has done, and I think he's first of all, because of all the trials and everything, they were, of course, trying to shut down info. We're still trying to, maybe able to after the 1st year. We've got some some hearings coming up. Don't know. I hope the judges seems like he's a real straight ahead guy and didn't get to put up with the of this monarchy, but we'll see. But regardless in the interim of Alex fighting them so valiantly and everybody else with him, they have started their own. They've co opted with another bunch to help market their stuff. And it's some group out of Arkansas. Don't remember the name. But, they got a whole bunch of artists and stuff. A lot of vets up there that make custom knives that they sell, and they got a big t shirt and sweatshirt and all that stuff part and with all kinds of different messages. And then they're adding over and bringing over the supplements from InfoWars, but over here, this company, do a heart and, not heart and body drops.
A vitamin mineral fusion is a is a good example. I had bought some a while back. I bought 12 jars in in my situation. I like to get that stuff in bulk if I can because it's just such a pain in the rear end of getting stuff down here. K? And so I do order big when I do. Well, I ordered 12 of them and stuff, and I thought they weren't gonna have it anymore. Well, it's now popped up over on the new the alex jonesstore.com is the address. And they've got these, gummies that are come from Ireland, from kelp, and and sea seaweed.
They're really, really high. It's supposed to be behind nutrition, that good cold water off of, Scotland, I believe, somewhere over there. One of the, areas of of the little island that we are so attached to, England. Anyways, got all that stuff over there, a bunch of cutting edge stuff, and it it really is cutting edge. So Alex has put out an affiliate program, and I'm gonna go sign up for it. And, anything if any of you are have been buying from Alex, all you gotta do, I'll get a link, an affiliate link, and we'll get Paul to post it. And, they're on the matrix docs. And anything that you purchase through Alex, you'll still get the good Alex Jones products. You'll still be supporting Alex Jones and Infowars, but the affiliate program is he takes 10% off the top. I mean, not net. Gross.
He takes 10% off the purchase price and gives it to the affiliate. So I know from my own when in my approach of buying these things in bulk, some of those orders are 12, $1400. You know? But if you've been buying from Alex, all all you if you want to, you don't have to. But it will still support him. It'll still help him. The I say support him because that's when we get our message out eventually. I mean, you gotta set goal. That's the pro that's the platform I wanna be on. Okay? May take leading up to or whatever, but eventually, that's the platform I'd like for us to expose this info on. And, so the more we can help Alex, the better off it is for everybody. So I'll do that between now and next week sometime and get that out there. So if, if you've been, purchasing from Alex, all you have to do is switch over and use our link. You'll still get the same products. It'll come from the same place, and and we'll get a little 10% cut off the top, which is a unbelievable deal. Okay?
And, so whoever thought up this little affiliate deal for him, obviously, volume is what they've got in mind. It's increasing the volume will increase the amount of funds they got coming in to fight these guys. Alex is turning on them and being proactive. So he is in the, you know, where, what my, one of the old law teachers are. So you don't want to be the defend ant. I was in Georgia, you know. And, so he's gonna be the the prosecutor. He's gonna be the plaintiff, and it takes money to feed all those big lawyers plus all of the Lord of Mercy, these ridiculous court cases. They've run this law fair stuff. They've run-in on him.
So, anyway, that's the plan. I want to mention that. You can noodle on it. If you don't, listen to Alex or purchase, or familiar with his product line over there, you might wanna pop over to the alexjonesstore.com and look at and I mean, the product is superb. I got a absolute cabinet full of them. B 12, this real special iodine that they that they get that it goes way. They they get it deep down, and it takes all kinds of processing. And, iodine is one of the most important minerals we can get that we're deficient on. You know, they used to have it in. I don't know if y'all remember. You remember Morton Salt when you were a kid, Paul?
[00:12:50] Unknown:
Yeah. When it rains, it pours.
[00:12:52] Roger Sales:
That's because they had iodine in the salt to make it poor, and they've taken that out. And for years, I've used a product called heart and body drops, you know, because my grandfather and my father both died before they were 65 with a heart attack. And I figured I'd maybe see if I could avoid that. I like being around here, and I like, getting this information out and whipping these guys' ass with it. Like you talk about whip whipping them with the jawbone of an ass. All the information we got is worse than a jawbone of an ass, okay, for them. Mhmm. So, anyway, I like doing that. So I've been taking these drops for years, and, I there's about 3 doctor Strauss is 1. I think the one that advertises over on RBN.
I can't remember, evaporate or something. That's not it, obviously. But, anyway, it's over there. And then this one, Heart and Body Drops, and I did a lot of research. Background is gonna start using these things. And, one of the things that Heart and Body Drops particularly has that the others don't is kelp. So they use kelp in their formulation. Of course, that's iodine. That's where you get iodine from. So anyway, same thing with those little gummies he's got over there now. But, I've I've mentioned that, and, just because it's a hell of a deal, it helps us. It helps, it helps Alex, and you get help because you get really good high quality supplements. K? I'm dying to try those little, algae moss, tablets they've got or the pills that are comparable.
So, anyway, once we start off with that, I'll coordinate with you on that, Paul, as I get a link and all that. Good idea, though. Yeah. So, we had, we were back on the back on the path. Have you got something you're grunting, cluttering your throat? You got something to say?
[00:14:49] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm, I'm I'm working on, we are actually live on Pod Home, and while the show is going on, I will be connecting the dots to make it possible for people to get to that.
[00:15:08] Roger Sales:
Right now, the forward's not working. So I would I was just kinda grunting to myself. Okay. Well, the stream is working, but I can't get to it. So Okay. Well, no problem. Well, you'll you'll go over there diligently, get after it, and I'm sure it'll get accomplished and done correctly. So you feel free to go do all that stuff. We've got some things on the agenda already here today to discuss. Thanks to new student, Julie, who I hope is with us this morning because the show is gonna kinda be dedicated to her questions. Not that all of you some of you been exposed to this information before, but maybe some of you haven't if you're new.
I was kinda curious. Is there anybody on the show that got, is new that got turned on, to our project and info here maybe at over the holidays, like at family dinner. Well, there's Merk. Well, Merk, you're not new, but it's always good to hear your voice.
[00:16:02] Unknown:
Hi. Good morning. I have, Satya is waiting to ask you a question. She's an established student, but she does have a question before you start. Alright. And what is it? It's
[00:16:15] Unknown:
Sasha? Satka.
[00:16:19] Roger Sales:
Satka. Satka. Satka, are you okay. Well, it's a very unusual name. Hi, Satka. Are you there, sweetie?
[00:16:30] Unknown:
I'm here. Are you there?
[00:16:32] Roger Sales:
I'm right here at your beck and call.
[00:16:36] Unknown:
Good morning. I had a quick question about, the attorney general. I've heard you say that the attorney general's job is to protect the citizens, is it all citizens? Is it US citizens? Is it citizens? Isn't that an interest
[00:16:56] Roger Sales:
isn't that an interesting question? And and what Saka is burning? Okay. Go ahead. I'll shut up. Go ahead.
[00:17:05] Unknown:
I'm sorry. Then the second part is where where is that found?
[00:17:11] Roger Sales:
Okay. Well, it's found historically, and the root of what you're talking about comes from the feudal system. And it was part of the origins of the feudal system as it developed, and the, formula is protection for allegiance, allegiance for protection. Pretty simple. And it's a two way formula that in either of the event of the vocation, either one of those things are invoked, protection or allegiance, it automatically invokes the other one. Okay? So it it it goes back to the start, and it was the basis and the origin of the feudal system. In in the patriot movement, have you ever heard if you receive the benefit, you have the duty? No.
Well, that's very common around our, around our community for years. Well, that's the same thing. A benefit is is protection, and then your what you owe them is allegiance. It's the same thing. It's just using different words, but the concept is the same. And, so that's where that comes from. Now let's take it over to our country and your real specific question. We didn't have a federal citizen until the 14th amendment. So all the way up to 18/68, who had the protection from the states, which were then, if you'll remember, the states were considered individual countries.
You know, Joe Robert Right. Up up up up, Joe Robert e Lee, when he was asked by Lincoln to to head the Union armies, wrote back and said, I cannot fight against my country because he considered Virginia to be his country as everyone did. There was no federal citizenship. There was a void there, And so each of these conglomerated states considered themselves a nation of independent states. There's where they get the word national that we revolve around. Okay? Can you see the connection?
[00:19:20] Unknown:
Uh-huh. Yep. Okay.
[00:19:22] Roger Sales:
So up to that point, if you were in the state of Virginia, like Robert e Lee was in that example, he pledged his allegiance to Virginia. Therefore, Virginia owed him protection. Right?
[00:19:37] Unknown:
Right.
[00:19:38] Roger Sales:
Okay. That's the way the formula works. Alright? And they were under God and the original constitution with full access to that document. But then here comes the 14th amendment and sets up this new federal citizenship mostly for former black slaves. So now we've got 2 different statuses. Well, who do they owe their allegiance to? Well, they owe their allegiance to the federal government because the federal government gave them their political status, not God, the federal government. So they received their civil rights under the 14th amendment, and therefore, you owe the federal government your allegiance.
Is that understandable?
[00:20:22] Unknown:
Right.
[00:20:23] Roger Sales:
Right. Right. Yeah. Oh, okay. So what we're doing, when you file that affidavit, you're switching that formula back to the original one. Now I gotta tell you, I don't know how many attorney generals know what we just covered, quite frankly. K? But they supposed to well, maybe maybe the guy in Texas. But, see, they're supposed to right now. It says in the 14th amendment and the state wherein you reside. So when you say you're a resident, that caps you over under federal status, doesn't it? Right. Well, then the governor is supposed to give he's not supposed to be giving you protection to the state citizen. Well, I guess he could be. Okay? But your main protection comes from the federal government because that's where you get your status. Right?
[00:21:17] Unknown:
Right.
[00:21:19] Roger Sales:
Well, when you switch that, it switches. Now the governor owes you complete protection, and you owe the the AG and the state the allegiance. And through that operates god, god given rights, god associated duties, and complete access to the constitution as it was written originally. So it's a very interesting and in-depth question that you ask, and I had to think this through a lot. I don't know when we stumbled on it a while back. But you see, here's the thing is that's our strength. Because they see, they don't have a I don't have a choice to do this. They've got an obligation to do it because of this ancient formula. And what did it say? Hold on just a second. Let me finish. And where does this all start in the nationality act in 1940?
And what's the statement? A national owes total allegiance to a small s state. Well, you're telling them when you put them on notice in that affidavit, I'm giving you my allegiance. And here's the second part, because I give them the allegiance and that automatically institutes the formula, then they owe me protection. Protection from what? How about people writing you a ticket for traffic laws that don't apply to you on the side of the road?
[00:22:41] Unknown:
Right.
[00:22:42] Roger Sales:
Isn't that an intrusion on you from an outside source?
[00:22:49] Unknown:
Isn't it? Yeah.
[00:22:51] Roger Sales:
Oh, well, then they had see, they're see now here, they're negligent in their duties. Here's our teeth. That's why you're putting all these people on notice and listen to everybody. Because if that guy at the bottom, that sheriff, has his deputy, who's an agent of him underneath the attorney general, stops you and writes you a ticket after you put them on notice, then they don't have the authority to do that, do they?
[00:23:16] Unknown:
Right.
[00:23:18] Roger Sales:
So now they lose their cloak of immunity, don't they? Yeah. And because you've tied them in through the laws of agency, the attorney general loses his cloak or her cloak of immunity also. How about that?
[00:23:36] Unknown:
That's awesome.
[00:23:38] Roger Sales:
Okay. Well, that's the little that's the expansion of your your first question there.
[00:23:45] Unknown:
That's perfect. The the reason I asked is because I looked at the Arkansas Constitution and the attorney general's duties, and he, according to the Constitution, is supposed to be protecting the state. Doesn't that because the only thing about consumers is that they protect the, the consumer, but not really a citizen.
[00:24:16] Roger Sales:
Well, I promise you everything underlies what I just went over with you. And he owes you protection. I'd like for us I'd like for us, maybe Mark and Aya, to write up some sort of a cover letter for you guys for the people that are putting their whole state and and and and and systems on notice that includes some some verbiage on that. We haven't done it yet, but that, see, that's our teeth right there.
[00:24:45] Unknown:
That's our teeth. That would be great if you
[00:24:47] Unknown:
you said it so well and so clearly.
[00:24:50] Roger Sales:
Well, it's you know, I've lived with it for so long and thought about it for so long that it's second nature to me. And if you'll study and continue to keep this in the front of your mind, you'll get there too someday. And the object for all of you folks is to make this information part of you. I'm try here, you know, what makes we're talking about affiliation stuff with Alex. What makes network marketing work is duplication. I'm duplicating my efforts and myself and these other people, and that's what I'm I try to do here. Okay. Thank you, Roger. I appreciate it. Okay, sweetie. Was it did you have a second part to that question, or did you get it out and I covered it?
[00:25:35] Unknown:
No. You covered everything.
[00:25:37] Roger Sales:
Okay, sweetie. Well, thank you. It sounds like you're driving. Drive carefully. Okay?
[00:25:42] Unknown:
May I ask her where so much. Where at Arkansas she is, if she doesn't mind? North central, central, south?
[00:25:51] Unknown:
Hot Springs,
[00:25:52] Roger Sales:
South. Hot Springs. Alright. I'm from Arkansas. It's Sherry. Nice to meet you. I yield. Why don't you connect through Merck? Thank you. Why don't you guys connect through Mercka, and you can communicate on the side straight straight on. K? Great. So, yeah, and that's and I encourage that because, you know, eventually, as we get more and more folks, we can start maybe having meetups even quarterly or however you can, wanna do it. But I'd love to have some meetups. Southern California is ripe for that. Obviously, Flathead County Montana is is rife not ripe. It's rife with nationals.
I'd love to know how many folks Gary and Gina have have gotten turned on to this out there that are following through. So, eventually, that's what we'd like to do if we can get enough folks. So thank you, gals. Okay?
[00:26:46] Unknown:
Hey, Roger. This is Sandra.
[00:26:48] Roger Sales:
Hey, Sandra. How are you doing?
[00:26:50] Unknown:
Hi. How's everything? I I need some clarification based on the answer that you, gave.
[00:26:56] Roger Sales:
Yes, ma'am.
[00:26:58] Unknown:
Now when you said AG, you're talking about general. Attorney general. Attorney general on the state level. Right? The state attorney general. And since he's in Arkansas and then what about the federal AG, and what about the, federal AGs that are stationed
[00:27:15] Roger Sales:
in each state? Like, in California, we've got 4 of them. So you're talking about noticing all of them. Right? Oh, now that I've never heard you got 4 federal attorney generals in the state of California. This is totally new to me.
[00:27:28] Unknown:
Really?
[00:27:29] Roger Sales:
Okay. Oh, yeah. Okay. Why why would you have 4 federal attorney generals? You got an attorney general in California. It's a little Japanese guy, isn't it? And then an oriental guy, Merica? The AG California?
[00:27:41] Unknown:
On the main guy is the what, what's his name? Mister,
[00:27:48] Unknown:
I have to look it up. Bonita? Anyway, I thought he was Hispanic.
[00:27:52] Unknown:
Bonita. Bonita. Bonita. T a. He's the main person that you send a notice to. Okay.
[00:27:59] Roger Sales:
Generally, your state's only gonna have one attorney general. It's gonna be the state attorney general, and the other the federal attorney general is at the Department of Justice. It's Moshe Garfunkel, better known as gar Garland now, and, he oversees everything from the federal level, and then each state has their own. It's my experience, Sandra. Okay? I don't know if I'm putting federal. They can there's only one federal AG. He's at the Department of Justice.
[00:28:30] Unknown:
Well, I was doing some because I was in the process of doing, putting notices out. I haven't done it yet. And I got confused because there's all these AGs. There's district level attorney generals or not not attorney general. District level,
[00:28:46] Paul:
prosecutors. Right? Uh-huh. And then there's
[00:28:49] Unknown:
but now in each state, they have their own district, federal, federal attorneys.
[00:28:58] Roger Sales:
Well, they've got federal attorneys in each state and each district. Each state each state is divided up into districts. For instance, Georgia, northern district, central district, southern district. Each one of those districts will have its own district court, federal district court somewhere in that territory, like Macon. Okay. There's a federal district court in Macon because it's the federal court in the middle district of Georgia.
[00:29:26] Unknown:
Okay. I think I got the terminology incorrect. Yeah. Federal yeah. There's federal, attorneys, but not AGs. Okay. Okay. Alright. Thank you. Correct. You're welcome.
[00:29:35] Roger Sales:
And, I'll tell you one thing. If you ever get an attack scruffle with these guys, they will not let the local attorney general or the prosecutor handle it. They always bring in a tax specialist, and it's some little Jew from Washington DC. K? So that's a real special area for them as you can imagine, and we're coming really to understand the importance of the tax system. It's like the whole game. If there's no tax system, they got no system. Boom. K? And that's the power we do is after we go through filing these notices and doing this stuff and making these declarations is you go pull yourself out of their scam and little tax system, and they can't do a thing about it, can they?
No. If there was something they could do about it, believe me, they would have done it by now. And they would have come full force on the first people that filed this with them to try and scare the pants off the rest of you. Okay? They haven't done that at all. They stand totally mute. Except, Lilla, we're reviewing your account for 60 days, or there's some kind of a we think there might have been an identity theft in your account. This is what my my female friend down here, our, one of our good Americans is going through the process finally after all these years.
And and they wrote her a thing. She said, well, you're there's it appears there may be some some identity fraud in your account. We're gonna look into it, and then you read on. It goes, it takes an average of 360 days to clear these these things up. So, anyway, I said, don't worry about it. You'll never hear from them again. You know? That that kind of trivial stuff is what they do. That's the best. You know, look at it this way. That's the best they got, folks.
[00:31:31] Unknown:
That's the best they
[00:31:33] Roger Sales:
got. Hey, William. How are you doing, man?
[00:31:35] Unknown:
I'm good. I'm good. Got some exciting news with my, tax case I was talking to you about. I don't wanna put Julie on hold, though.
[00:31:44] Roger Sales:
Well, no. It's here. She hadn't spoken up yet. I'm assuming she's waiting. We got 2 hours to talk about this other stuff. But, this is on your ad valorem on your car, a car you purchased. Right? $500
[00:31:56] Unknown:
I had to pay. So after talking to you, I did some research, and the state of Georgia has a Oh, you're cutting out, William. Or do a refund or felt you're doing a can you hear me now?
[00:32:13] Roger Sales:
Yeah. I I the state of Georgia has a tax, so that's when you cut out. So if you could pick that up there.
[00:32:19] Unknown:
They have a tax tribunal Oh. Where you can appeal you can appeal any state tax that you feel like you were do a refund that was denied.
[00:32:29] Roger Sales:
Well, see, there's always an appeal, and this is the bureaucratic system. It's one of the advantages of it, and they've got to appeal that inside their own parameters. Or here, they're taking something from a a state taxing board, and what's my next step in my administrative appeal? Here it is. Tell us about it, William. And
[00:32:49] Unknown:
I want you to copy, you send it to the tax tribunal, and you also send the appeal to the state revenue commissioner and the attorney general, the Georgia Department of Law. Oh. Copy the the agencies. So I just wanted to read a little bit of the letter that I sent them and the documentation that I sent them, because this is gonna, you know, put our information on their toes and see, you know, how they respond.
[00:33:17] Roger Sales:
Uh-huh. Well, now keep in mind here for the audience, and I just said most of the attorney generals probably don't know this, allegiance for protection stuff, protection for allegiance and other things too, like the definition of person. Well, William, if you haven't been listening on a regular basis and didn't keep up with this, has a commercial flight operation out of Augusta. He flies big wigs around, and he's got some sort of a relationship at some point with a sitting judge in the state of Georgia. And William starts telling him our information, and then, you know, I told you, you ask some of these people this question. What's the litmus test?
What's the concept behind the word person? I guarantee you they don't know it. He asked a sitting judge in Georgia, and he did not know, did he, William?
[00:34:08] Unknown:
Nope. And he's a he was just a local magistrate judge. I come to find out. Okay. But Yeah. That's okay. You know? But on the on the tax appeal, they wanna know, you know, the details of the case and, and the law that you're gonna use that you're basically trying to use to appeal Uh-huh. On your grounds. And, Grounds? Mhmm. I've stated, you know, I've stated the the conditions that I paid the tax and that, I had requested a refund. I filed their form on the basis of my nonresident alien status. And, the date that the county tax commissioner by text message says it, the county attorney claims I'm not entitled to a refund of the tax on your vehicle. He states that providing a Social Security number, you are subject to the laws of the state.
[00:34:57] Roger Sales:
I'm not sure about that.
[00:34:59] Unknown:
In my letter, I said, however, the Social Security number is issued issued to me is solely the property of the secure Social Security Administration. The Social Security number is only to be used for purposes authorized by the Social Security Administration, and none of these authorized uses include determining taxability.
[00:35:18] Roger Sales:
Or or or remember on the front, it says in red not to be used for identification.
[00:35:25] Unknown:
Right. And then I said, you know, I appealed to the board of equalization, and that was not I said the operation
[00:35:36] Roger Sales:
You're cutting out a little bit, William. Echo and you ain't charged.
[00:35:40] Unknown:
After the the operation of law for the basis of my appeal, as stated in Patel's Law of Nations, also echoed in the UN Charter that I have a right to political self determination. Cop that's on file with the Secretary of State of the United States establishing my citizenship as a national. Also enclosed is copy of my legal lawful notice of this change to the IRS, which was also copied via USPS certified mail to the Georgia Department of Revenue delivered on March 9, 2024. This notice was not rebutted by the secretary of state, the IRS, or the Georgia Department of Revenue Commissioner. Notwithstanding, I get to choose my political status, which is a national and not a citizen or resident of the United States as US citizenship and residency are contemplated in the 14th amendment.
[00:36:31] Roger Sales:
Oh, very good, William. I said, George For everybody listening. Everybody listening. Now you're going back and you're using this information, and you're putting their feet square on the coals.
[00:36:42] Unknown:
And I said the state of Georgia is a political subdivision of the United States. I figured that's hard for them to argue. Yeah. Therefore therefore, per 26 CFR 1.1 dash 1 a, as recognized by the IRS, a nonresident alien to the United States and thereby the state of Georgia, and its tax laws, which are mandated exclusively for taxpayers, US citizens, and residents. As defined in the OCGA, which is the, Georgia code, nationals and nonresident aliens are not taxpayers. And then another section of the code states that being a resident of Georgia is a rebuttable presumption.
I said also, 42 US code 1982 guarantees nationals within the states the same same rights as US citizens, which include to purchase and hold real per real and personal property. Simply put, but still legally and lawfully applicable, 42 USC 1982 uses the antiquated term white citizen to contract the to contrast the US citizen status Did you which is now what you now identify as the nationals.
[00:37:54] Roger Sales:
Did you check that as 82? Because my memory says it's 83 and 86. Yeah. There's, there's 3 or 4 in there, but It's it's in there. It's in there. Okay. So you've checked just so you make sure. Man, your letter's great. Continue on.
[00:38:10] Unknown:
Yeah. 82 is the one that deals with real and personal property.
[00:38:13] Roger Sales:
I see. Good deal.
[00:38:16] Unknown:
Says, which is now identified as a national according to public law, 414, statute 66, title 1, definition 21. And then the next paragraph, it said, neither the state of Georgia formed for license plate application nor the driver's license application have a method to differentiate national and federal citizenship. According to the Immigration and Nationality Act, all U. S. Citizens are U. S. Nationals, and both citizenships are considered equal in the purview of the federal government. Out of the rule of necessity and to keep the peace, I applied for a license plate for my automobile, and in the process, was forced to submit that I'm a U. S. Citizenresident on the applications.
For the reasons stated herein, the title of valorem tax is not applicable to me and my property as it lacks taxability by the state.
[00:39:04] Roger Sales:
When did you send that in?
[00:39:07] Unknown:
It was delivered Friday, I think.
[00:39:10] Roger Sales:
Well, we'll get into the New Year and see how the appellate level, of the tax system in Georgia reacts to that fine letter you just drafted and put in front of them.
[00:39:20] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm I'm interested to see how it goes.
[00:39:23] Roger Sales:
Okay, folks. Knowledge is power. K? Thomas Jefferson said, those expect to be ignorant and free, expect what never was and never will be. If you learn the information, you're the the more you internalize this, like, William, how long have you been around? I'll get your Merca. How long are you, what, 8 8 I mean, a year, 10 months? About a about a year, 14 months. Something let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let Okay. For everybody else's list, and here's somebody that has taken, my advice and suggestions and applied them in a number of different areas. And I think you'd probably have to agree he's done quite well at it. Do you sense, do you sense his empowerment? William, do you feel empowered?
[00:40:07] Unknown:
I do. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not scared of him.
[00:40:11] Roger Sales:
Yep. They're scared of you, though.
[00:40:14] Unknown:
Oh, well, I know they are.
[00:40:18] Roger Sales:
Yes. Birka, what'd you have, sweetie?
[00:40:20] Unknown:
Just wanted to double check. What were those codes that he was reading or using?
[00:40:25] Roger Sales:
He was using title 42 1982. I was mentioning 1983 and 1986. If you'll remember, the 42 is the civil rights code written for the 14th amendment federal citizens, and every one of those sections, and I guess couple of other ones start out with the privileges and immunities of the citizens of the United States are the same as the white citizens.
[00:40:56] Unknown:
Right. Right. And I I the official was it annotated? Our official Code of Georgia. Annotate Yeah. Section 48 dash 1 dash 2.25. It defines what a taxpayer is, and it's basically somewhat is responsible for paying taxes, which Right. National. You know, if the nonresidential is alien or not.
[00:41:22] Roger Sales:
I I wish you to put this phrase in there at the end. In the future, I expect and will pay all constitutional taxable obligations I'm I am due or whatever. Something to that effect. Right. Because it because that just takes another excuse out from under them. It takes their feet right out from under them. What, Myrca?
[00:41:45] Unknown:
And sometimes on the codes, they are very specific on who they're talking about when it comes to a US national. They would they would define American national as us and the US national as the noncitizen national.
[00:42:01] Roger Sales:
Well, they I don't All that is How can no. Those can't be well, they might identify it that way, but that's wrong. Okay? Because noncitizen nationals are not birthright citizens. We are both. Right. A noncitizen national is only one side, the national. They're not the same. They can't be the same. I don't care what the tortured ass legal definition says. This is why I work on concepts.
[00:42:30] Unknown:
If we're looking at the USC code, it follows the statutes at large. So it should have the same information that organic statute has.
[00:42:39] Roger Sales:
Okay. So just because this is such a nebulous little point here, and and we've had so much dissension on it this previous year, just always use National. K? Then then then everything's simplified. Not that there's ever been one piece of paperwork that's ever been rebutted with that or even brought up with that. You go ahead and just use National.
[00:43:07] Unknown:
Okay? Awesome, Roger. On the code, I've noticed that they've been reviewing it for a while. They do say, you know, US nationals, that have allegiance to United States or something like that, that differentiates
[00:43:24] Unknown:
between them. Art as international.
[00:43:27] Unknown:
And You know, y'all the ones that have allegiance to them.
[00:43:31] Roger Sales:
If you're new I know I don't wanna get into this tortured stuff enough. We're gonna dive into a little complicated stuff here in a second. But the whole thing is look at the depth they've gone to to confuse and obfuscate this. And as you get through it, picking it apart, if you think you could ever arrive at the conclusions we've arrived at in the old traditional way of diving into the statutes and regulations, you're wrong. And that's the reason our whole movement for 30 plus years that I've been in it has been so unsuccessful. Because all they're doing is diving into into the statutes and the regulations.
They don't understand the definitions of the words that are being used. They don't understand that these people change labels just like the example we said, white citizens. Well, what are white citizens? Well, those are nationals. Those were the all state citizens. Okay? So if the people that don't understand all of those intricacies and these guys' little tricks will never ever arrive at the answer. And that's what makes us so unique.
[00:44:40] Unknown:
And, Roger, I looked at the, we're talking about the old 13th amendment. I was doing some research on the old 13th amendment
[00:44:48] Roger Sales:
Yep.
[00:44:49] Unknown:
Which was full.
[00:44:53] Roger Sales:
Now you're cut you're cutting out again, William, and I wanna hear this. You're yeah. I just lost a couple of seconds of you.
[00:45:00] Unknown:
Okay. It said the the titles and Nobilities Act was one Right. There was 2 old old 13th amendments.
[00:45:07] Roger Sales:
There was 2? Basically
[00:45:09] Unknown:
yeah. There was 2. There was one called the titles and abilities act, and then there was one that Lincoln had drafted to basically, say that the federal government would not impair, the state's ability to contract basically to to this the the federal government wouldn't step on the state's rights to have slaves. Okay. It was kind of a Well I don't know. I I'll I'll branch before the war and then and then never got right.
[00:45:40] Roger Sales:
See, I never have heard or researched out myself to figure out where I know they put that thing in the constitution back in the early 1800 because we had guys in our group in Atlanta that had had relatives in Connecticut, and he went up to visit them and, went to one of the old law libraries and found an old Connecticut law book with the original with the constitution in it, and that 13th amendment was printed in the law book. So their excuse is if this again, for the audience, if this is new to you, they say that it was never ratified properly and that Virginia didn't ratify it. Well, we found it in Virginia law books. It was ratified. This is another scoundrel lie of the new world order. You can see how far back they had some kind of control over the government.
And at some point, they took this first one and maybe this second one and wiped both of them off the books and went back and brought in the the the one we know now, which is really important, William, because I just realized actually over the holidays. I don't know if you were listening yesterday or not. But, the 13th amendment had to be written for state citizens. Right. Because there was no 14th amendment for 6 months.
[00:46:54] Unknown:
And what's interesting about the titles and nobility act was that, basically, it was gonna say if you took any kind of title or nobility from a foreign country, that you would no longer be considered a citizen of the United
[00:47:08] Roger Sales:
States? Right. Brent's got some very interesting insights on that that are not the usual ones that, our community has put forth. So you may wanna next time we have Brent on, if you can, be on and ask him about it and let him expound on it a little bit. Okay. You know, he's going to start in it is super all this history is very interesting.
[00:47:29] Unknown:
Well, they use that term citizen of the United States. Yes. Then but, you know, you mentioned chief justice story that, you know, a citizen of a state is, ipso facto, a citizen of the United States. That's chief justice story. How can you argue with him? Yeah. They were 1 in the same back then. So, Yes. Well, there was only one. There was no differentiation
[00:47:51] Roger Sales:
for them to, equivocate us on and fool everybody.
[00:47:55] Unknown:
Alright.
[00:47:57] Roger Sales:
You got a man that's the that one in resident are the main ones right there. Right. The whole scheme comes on equivocation of those those terms.
[00:48:07] Unknown:
And you were talking earlier, I forget the other lady's question about the attorney general. But I always I've talked to friends of mine and I say, you know, was it Abbott, the attorney general of Texas? You know, he wrote that letter to the Biden administration.
[00:48:22] Roger Sales:
No. He's the Abbott's the governor. It's the other guy Is it the Yes. And it's the attorney general that is the best one in the country just about I just can't think of his name right now. So maybe somebody in the audience can come in with it.
[00:48:38] Unknown:
Well, Well, maybe, yeah, the governor Abbott. He wrote that letter to the federal government to to Biden saying, hey. We know we need protection, from, you know, the federal government. And I said, you know, the the federal government is only responsible for protecting the 10 square miles of DC. Constitutionally, Texas is responsible for protecting itself with its citizens, which it doesn't they've all been taken away.
[00:49:02] Roger Sales:
And then And then and then and Roger. And hold on just a sec. Ken Paxton. Thank you, Thora. And also that the states were brought in as property, I believe, under the bankruptcy also, and that's how they made them political subdivisions. They've still got some autonomy, but not, I don't believe, as much as they used to, William. Thank you, Thora. Right. Paxton. Ken Paxton. Well, he's about to run for the senator of Texas, it appears. So they've got a couple of, at least one real squirrelly senator up there, and I believe Paxton's gonna challenge him, and he should win, hands down.
K? Very popular. I I kinda was hoping Trump might appoint him to one of these federal positions. He'd make a damn good attorney general. Don't know about this, female. I think her is her name Bondi? Is her last name Bondi, the new attorney general? I know one thing. It'll be much nicer to look at some Department of Justice press conference and not see Moshe Garfuckle, but to look at her, that's an improvement right there.
[00:50:09] Unknown:
Yeah. She's a gun grabber, though, Roger.
[00:50:12] Roger Sales:
Okay. Is she? Well, I don't know about that. Let's hope she doesn't get Yes, sir. Off on that tangent. But, she's a boxer. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. 2 or 3 people here. Jack was that Jack or Larry?
[00:50:25] Unknown:
It's Larry. When you get a second, I'd like to ask something.
[00:50:29] Roger Sales:
Okay, Alicia. William, did we finish up with you, or you can do you have a a Dunlop or what?
[00:50:35] Unknown:
Just one more thing. I know we talk we talk about, you know, stuff that we see in the media and things like that and, movies and how they slip stuff in. And, you know, we talk about the Matrix movie a lot. My my wife's a big fan of Harry Potter. And, I was just sitting there. You know, you you hear stuff, and I was sitting there in the bedroom. It was the very last episode of Harry Potter movie of Harry Potter. And, and he was talking to Harry Potter after, I forget the guy's name, had gotten killed. He was supposedly in kind of the afterlife or whatever. But, he asked him some questions, and he says, he said words are, in my most humble opinion, our most inexhaustible source of magic, capable of both inflicting injury
[00:51:20] Roger Sales:
and remedying it. Wow. How accurate. Yes. Absolutely. Well, you know, you get back to it. I didn't, didn't the lord speak the or the world into existence? Well, hell, they gotta have some kind of power. Thank you, William. Thank you. Thank you so much, and I really, want to compliment you on your studiousness and your aggressiveness, and you're another one of these people that I can identify that when you your life cross paths with this information, you just grabbed onto it like Julie and just chomped into it. And the thing is is it doesn't let go. You can't shake it. If you tried to shake this out of your life, you couldn't do it.
[00:52:05] Unknown:
Yeah. It's just extremely frustrating. You get on Facebook or some in social media, and you see people complain about taxes or property taxes or these laws or that laws. And, I was like, you can get out. You know? You don't have to you don't you don't you don't have to sit there and and make the lashings.
[00:52:24] Roger Sales:
Well, for first of all, they, a, don't believe it, and, b, they they're scared as hell of trying to go through it. I I mean, really, fear is the controlling mechanism here, and they have done a very good job of instilling it in all of us. Now who is Hey, Williams?
[00:52:42] Unknown:
Yep. Would you be willing to share that letter out with everybody if you were to, like, redact your name off of her off of it or something? Because I'm my name is Julie, and I'm new, and I'm trying to learn. And what you just did right there is
[00:52:57] Roger Sales:
magnificent, and I commend you. Julie Julie, you know what he was doing. I don't know if you got the front end of that is he's trying to go back and overcome an ad valorem $25100, I think, William, tax on automobile he purchased. And he's going back retroactively and go, I shouldn't have been charged this. So that was to the ballot board of a tax board. So just so you know what that was. It's not what I would consider general applicability, but it's a very good letter, and there's nothing wrong with it. It's excellent. Just a real Well, the good the good news is if I can make it stick
[00:53:33] Unknown:
to a piece of, personal property like, like a vehicle, I should be able to make it stick to a piece of real property like my house.
[00:53:41] Unknown:
Exactly. So, what was I gonna tell you? I I do know that, what was I gonna say? We have personal property taxes on vehicles here in the state of Virginia, and so I just set my vehicle up to be owned by an LLC and they have come after me before that and I won in court because they basically said you can't tax me on something I don't own, And so, I I won in on a trial by jury in the court. Oh, good to hear you, Julie. They're coming after people left and right. My advice to people is if you can try to not own it and put it in an LLC. I will personally help I will personally help anybody and everybody set up an LLC for free. It's $75 at your state corporation commission. I'll help anybody do that on here for everybody being so nice to me. I think where we haven't been successful
[00:54:37] Unknown:
here is, you know, we're going after we're trying to get them on their technicalities, when we just we just need to go on jurisdiction and taxability and just cut them off at the knees.
[00:54:47] Unknown:
Right. I agree with you on that 100%. I'd love to see that letter because, you know, there's there's so many other things that they're taxing on. They do business personal property taxes here where they, and those are those are double taxes. I already paid taxes to buy this business furniture, and now you wanna tax it again? Are you kidding me?
[00:55:06] Unknown:
Yeah. I think I think we should, as nationals, we should try to avoid those, those intermediaries because they don't do us any good unless you're in a highly litigious field like I am. Yeah. But from liability Well, Julie. They
[00:55:21] Roger Sales:
Julie too.
[00:55:23] Unknown:
Yeah.
[00:55:24] Unknown:
I mean, I just My problem is I'm in I'm in real estate, so I I do I do everything from property management to to buyer seller representation. I'm a real estate broker in 3 states and then also tax lien, tax deed investing and stuff, so I'm all over the place in real estate. I do property flips and it's it's ridiculous, the taxes. The problem is the LLC itself is a US person even though you're not. That's correct because you had to apply for your own. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. But here's the thing, It's a US person, but you're not. As long as you take all the profits out and all the income that your LLC generates and you get paid that to yourself in the form of a wage, you have a net income of 0, so you have a zero tax liability to the state and the federal government.
[00:56:12] Roger Sales:
Yep. I agree. I would also suggest just to trust would do that also.
[00:56:18] Unknown:
I don't know if you've heard about that yet or not. Yourself you just pay yourself a management fee, Roger, and you're and you make it the management fee equal to what the dividends and interest and tax taxable gains were if you're in what I'm in, in my trust, which is basically brokerage accounts. So just pay out all of the stuff to yourself as a management fee and the net income of the trust is 0.
[00:56:40] Unknown:
I think it I think it gets sticky I think it gets sticky with the LLC because if it owns, like, if it owns an aircraft or a piece of equipment, you know, it's a US person, the LLC is. And so it's gonna have to pay those taxes even though whatever's left over that you send to yourself is is tax exempt. So I think, you know, having that intermediary there may kinda complicate things at times.
[00:57:07] Unknown:
Yeah.
[00:57:09] Unknown:
31 days When you when you but if you do if you but if you form an LLC not in your state, keep in mind my LLC is out of Montana. So, you form an LLC out of a state that doesn't collect those types of taxes, and then it's not in your name. And then they have no right to tax you since you're not the owner of of of the of the property.
[00:57:30] Unknown:
Yeah. To to the folks that may be new out there,
[00:57:34] Roger Sales:
there's there are a lot of ways to get around these, your business and this obligation in that, and, there are ways to get around it. So if that was one of your questions, you're listening, lurking there in the background, that can be done. Okay. Julie, let me find out what Larry was trying to find get in here about 5 years ago.
[00:57:55] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you. We get a copy of William's stuff. He how do we get a copy of William's thing?
[00:58:03] Unknown:
I don't know where I can post it, really. Maybe on the national status forum.
[00:58:09] Roger Sales:
Possibly. National Status Freedom. Could you send it to Merck and to,
[00:58:14] Unknown:
David and Kaye also? Yeah. I can, I can post it on the forum in nationalstatus.com?
[00:58:21] Unknown:
And send it to you, Roger, and then you can forward it
[00:58:25] Unknown:
to Paul and, myself.
[00:58:28] Unknown:
Yeah. I can do that.
[00:58:29] Roger Sales:
Send it to me, William, if you would, please. I'll I'll distribute it around. Good work on that. I'm anxious to see what you know. These, bodies don't usually act real quickly, but,
[00:58:41] Unknown:
when they do respond, please let us know what it is. Well, well, the other wrinkle the other wrinkle, one more thing. If you do it through tax court, it's a $60 fee through the tax tribunal. Yes. And it is it is appealable. However, I had the option to do it through small claims court, and then that decision is final. However, there wouldn't be a charge. So I paid the $60 fee so that, you know, even if they didn't rule in my favor, I could still appeal it again.
[00:59:13] Roger Sales:
There you go. Well, keep at them and, keep their feet to the fire. Well, that's the way we get answers. Yes, sir? That's it. Roger, thank you. Yeah. Okay. Now hold on. Larry's been waiting. Larry?
[00:59:26] Unknown:
Oh, he said he yielded.
[00:59:28] Roger Sales:
Yeah. Okay. Dave? Yep.
[00:59:31] Unknown:
This is Larry. I just No. I didn't I didn't yield.
[00:59:34] Unknown:
Oh, I thought you said you yield. Sorry.
[00:59:37] Unknown:
No. No. I've been waiting.
[00:59:39] Roger Sales:
Okay. We're trying to get to your boss.
[00:59:43] Unknown:
Yeah. So Satya is trying to enlist the help of the attorney general of her state by reminding him he owes her his protection. So a point of concern is what we found in a recent court case. The petitioner was given a citation for driving without a license. His main argument is he's traveling in his private capacity and not in commerce. So he worked his way up to the Supreme Court, and he made,
[01:00:10] Roger Sales:
this statement US of of the of the US or of a state? The United States Supreme
[01:00:16] Unknown:
Supreme Court of the United States. Yes. The highest court. And he made this he made this statement he made this statement in his petition, which was recently filed in 2022. And, let me read it's just a quick statement.
[01:00:33] Roger Sales:
Let me can I ask you a question before you start reading it? Did he have an affidavit on file with the Secretary of State of the United States? Do we know that? That I don't know. But I it's probably It's just a statement I'd like to Well, the hinge the decision probably hinges on that. Go ahead.
[01:00:51] Unknown:
Right. I'm I'm interested in getting your thoughts on this. So the petitioner informed the municipal court that any attempt to issue a bench warrant for his arrest or otherwise attempt to collect a fine would result in a title 42 section 1983 lawsuit for deprivation of rights under color of law, and then this is the interesting statement. Petitioner also attempted Go ahead. No. No. No. This is the what I'm about to read is the interesting statement. Petitioner also attempted to enlist the aid of our state's attorney general, Allen Wilson, but was informed that it was not the job of the attorney general to protect a citizen's rights.
It was his job to protect the state and that he only issued opinions that were requested by state agents or agencies. So I'd like to get your thoughts on that.
[01:01:56] Roger Sales:
Well, I think the the crux of is they're considering him to be a 14th amendment citizen, it sounds like to me. And if he again, if you don't if you can't prove you're not a citizen of the United States, any of these people can move against you. That statement came from an IRS case, but it applies universally. You're you're you're their property. If you haven't effectively, specifically removed yourself from that, it it the presumption applies. And the when the presumption applies, if you're their property, they can pretty well do anything damn well they want to. You can't they? And they're the attorney general. And as I said, most of the, I'll bet you the 50 attorney generals, yeah, there may be one that knows some of this too, but not many. K? They don't know about this attaching back to the feudal system and these obligations.
They don't understand this bankruptcy, that they were put as a state under the federal government in this fictitious bankruptcy. They don't understand all that crap. Yes. We do. Yes, Paul.
[01:03:03] Unknown:
I think it's pretty clear from the from the wording of that statement that the state's attorney general is not working for the people. He is working he's acting in the interests of the state, the state of, and the federal government. Right. And there is no protection there. So there is nobody
[01:03:24] Roger Sales:
Oh, there's protection. Oh, there's protection. Alright. Protection from the federal government that they can ding your ass upside the head as much as they want.
[01:03:35] Unknown:
Yes. But there's no protection for the national state.
[01:03:39] Roger Sales:
For the the state. We don't know if he was a national. We don't know if he was a national or not. He said he was.
[01:03:48] Unknown:
Alright. Let me finish. There is no protection for the national in that state because there is no governing body that is active and seated to provide that protection.
[01:04:00] Roger Sales:
All there is is corporate That attorney no. That attorney general's wearing 2 hats. That common law still applies in that state. All those things still apply. This attorney general does not understand it is the problem. Nor, I would dare say, a lot of idiots up there that's sitting on the Supreme Court like Satanja Jackson.
[01:04:23] Unknown:
I agree with you, Robert. Swore an he never swore an oath to anything but the corporate constitution. He he never swore an oath to yeah.
[01:04:36] Roger Sales:
Okay. I don't know if he May I? I've never no. No. You may not. Just a second. We don't know of an oath that the attorney general say. And I would dare say it's to uphold the laws of the constitution and the state, which is their primary responsibility. Unfortunately, they're saddled with overseeing a bunch of federal property, namely you. Oh, I've seen the old address. Have an affidavit on file with the secretary of state. If he didn't, they're gonna treat him under the presumption he's their property. If he did, it proves just they don't know what they're doing.
They've how why would they? They don't teach them this stuff in law schools, and they've never had anybody approach them with these concepts before on, hey. You owe me something like protection, and it ain't a choice. It's a duty. It's an obligation. But you got informed of that. So I think the first part of that that Larry read where he said they were gonna tie try him under title 42, something about title 42, Larry. In the thing you said, wait. This is important. Well, it was right before that was the important part where they said, we're gonna teach you come after you on title 42. What's title 42? Civil rights.
So their presumption is that he's that already from what you read to me that I grasped. Larry, are you there? Larry, you're the one the one that brought this to him. Okay. Yes, sir. What was that first what was that first thing you read? You said, wait. This is 1983.
[01:06:21] Unknown:
Well, there it is. They're they're they're gonna I think it was the petitioner that was yeah. It was the petitioner that was threatening making the threat to file the, the title 42 1983 against the officials.
[01:06:36] Roger Sales:
Okay. Well, I don't know. You ever heard Brent talk about title 42, Larry? Brent Scott remind me. Reminds me. Well, he's got a nice little definition of it. He said, do you know what judges hate worse than the title 42 suit, Larry? What's that? Brought it. The person that brought it.
[01:07:03] Unknown:
Hey, Raj.
[01:07:04] Roger Sales:
Yes, Paul. I I don't know, Larry.
[01:07:08] Unknown:
The point I was trying to make is that I've seen the oath of office, and they swear an oath to uphold the constitution of the United States
[01:07:19] Roger Sales:
and Not America.
[01:07:20] Unknown:
State and the state of the constitution of the state of. That is the corporate entity all the way through. That's the only thing they swear allegiance to. Okay. Well, underneath those 2 is the old sub sub state,
[01:07:38] Roger Sales:
and they do recognize it because that guy that founded North Carolina state for 15 plus years up there never had any blowback on it. Never. Not once. Okay. So we need to So it underlies that. It's unseen. Just like National, they got that damn term buried so damn far and hidden so many ways. You would never figure it out if I didn't have this advantage of John Benson.
[01:08:06] Unknown:
Right.
[01:08:07] Unknown:
May I speak to the oath, please?
[01:08:10] Roger Sales:
Okay. Go ahead, Sherry.
[01:08:14] Unknown:
Doing one act in that office, obligates them to the oath whether they sign it or not. So I'm in agreement with you, Roger. It's still underlying underpinning everything, and we should be able to count on that. Yeah. So it doesn't matter who they score their oath to, but by acting in the capacity of that office obligates them to the constitution
[01:08:41] Roger Sales:
of US America. I don't know anything about that. I do know with all of Todd Callender's work and all the stuff they did on the federal level, just one on the state level, that there is statutorily required to orally take the oath and to file a properly notarized with all the important information in there with the Secretary of State. And what they found was, yes, some people took it orally. They'd send them a video and say, well, here they are taking the oath, but they didn't have it on file with the secretary of state. Or if they did, it wasn't notarized. Or in the case of Moshe Garfunkel, it didn't have a starting date for his job in the, oath. And all those things are required.
And if you don't have a oral one and that one filed, you are not legitimate. You are impersonating a federal officer. That's what I do know, Sherry.
[01:09:34] Unknown:
Okay. I wouldn't disagree. Now I know I've told this, situation before, and it was when I became successor trustee. And the attorney told me that usually, you have to sign an affidavit stating that you will accept that position. He said, but you do one act in that capacity,
[01:09:54] Roger Sales:
and that seals the deal. Okay. Well, then that's that's new that's first time I've ever heard that. K? And that's not statutorily correct because in the constitution, you have to have those other 2 or else you're impersonating a federal official. And according to Calendar, any of us could go up and arrest any of those people on the spot for impersonating a federal officer. And he tried to file that with the guy that oversees all the d c operations, and the guy never responded. K? We go back to the list of the 50 things the communist published that they had to accomplish back in the fifties. These were in, Cleon Skousen's book, The Naked Capitalist, I think, was the name of it. He used to be the assistant to J Edgar Hoover at the FBI. He's a Mormon boy, and all the Skousens that you see around on media are relatives of his. Okay? And one of those things was those fifty things was they had to get they had to take control of the FBI, one of them, and they had to get rid of oaths. That was another one. There's a whole bunch of them. You can find them. They're in the Library of Congress. They're listed and entered in the congressional record.
And I believe it was Cleon Skousan, s k o u s a n, I think, and it was called the Naked Capitalist, I believe. I bought one at a at a garage sale one time for a dollar. But all that stuff is the background of this. And Roger, wasn't it the naked communist? Well, it might have been, Dave. I'm I'm getting old. You know? I think it probably was naked communist, but, anyway, that was Cleon Skouser. Okay. Anybody else got any questions here? Yep. Roger. Roger. He's almighty. Yeah, Dave. I forgot I'm a go Dave first.
[01:11:47] Unknown:
Okay. So you guys kinda covered a little bit of this, what I'm gonna talk about here. I listened to John b Wells' Caravan at Midnight, on a little local radio station here. And I'm telling you, man, you gotta get back in touch with them and get on there because I've heard a few people call in kind of about what you say and not knowing that I've heard on any of your calls. But, he had this gal on, I believe, was Thursday night from Michigan, Rachel Atwood. And I didn't know this, but the the legislature here in Michigan is working feverishly late night sessions to pass these laws before Trump gets in Right. And this new the new senate here in Michigan.
And one of them is they're they've I don't know if they've passed it already, but they're adding a $100 fee to every registered vehicle, in in your possession for a state park, pass. Right now, you can go buy a state park pass, and it's good for all of your you know? Uh-huh. Yeah. And it's your option. And it's good for all your automobiles. Right? Well, they want you to pay a $100 extra. They're gonna charge every single car in Michigan a $100 for taxes to for maintenance, but that maintenance is going right in their ass back pocket.
[01:13:15] Roger Sales:
Anyway, there's some other stuff that passing. I would dare say that goes back to our definitive principle of everything's gotta be voluntary, doesn't it? You can go get and pay for a state park pass. They're trying to mandate it now. Somebody's gonna take that to court and it's gonna get kicked right out. I hope so. Voluntary.
[01:13:36] Unknown:
I know. I hear you. Alright. Yep. So, yeah, they're they're I just want to share that. And then anybody can can, protest this stuff in Michigan from anywhere in the country. So, look up, Rachel Atwood, Ottawa County, Michigan. She's all over social media, and she makes videos about, Whitmer and, in our, her 2, or his her 2 favorite gal pals, our attorney general and our, secretary of state. She says they are the most corrupt in the nation, the trio. And, she attacks them feverishly with videos, and she wears Scotch. Every every year on Halloween, she dresses up as a different form of Whitmer. And, she says she is so much fun to make fun of. But, yeah, it was a great show. You guys go back and listen on Rumble You got a to that Thursday night show on, Caravan at Midnight.
[01:14:34] Roger Sales:
Okay. Well, I I I think John and John and his his, bride, Brandy, can reach out to me at any time. I hadn't heard from him in a long time, so don't know. I can't. Could please put me on? Please put me on. And, also, let me just say that you got a hell of a coven of vegetarians up there in Michigan. Yes, Myrka?
[01:14:56] Unknown:
I mentioned it to Brandy too, Roger. I'm like, how are you guys doing with the affidavits? And she's both kinda working on it, like, learning, kinda researching it, but she hasn't responded.
[01:15:10] Roger Sales:
Okay. Well, she's swamped. She's swamped. And he's on a platform that he gets scrutinized on, Sinclair Broadcasting. And that was some of the problems with both me and Eli James is they have to sneak us in because the people above him didn't want the information put out anymore. Okay? Correct. So I think that's we're fighting all that stuff. So I But you're, you There are a bunch of places I wanna be. We're here, and I'm gonna put my foot in front of the other one every day that we're supposed to be on the air that I can right here. This is our home. Okay? Go ahead, Martha. Focused.
[01:15:49] Unknown:
I think you mentioned earlier a dialectic. I wanted to mention something, because some students are asking about the common law. And I you know, the federal government is supposedly because they're a corporation. They're sovereign too. They're federal citizens. So now they're trying to use dialectic with with corporation,
[01:16:13] Roger Sales:
their sovereignty goes to the people that put them in bankruptcy, the international monetary powers. Go ahead.
[01:16:21] Unknown:
What I wanted to mention was that there are there there's a lot of people that are falling for the common law that they are saying that they have and that they are following the common law, but, actually, it's their federal common law. And I brought it up with Brent, maybe, like, 3 weeks ago, a month ago, and we went over that on his show. And I asked him, you know, you know, you just mentioned that he's a fake yeah. Brent Winters? Okay. Yes. We went over it, and it was really good. I I need to go find the episode, but to and to share the date. But, he did say that there's a fake common law, and then there's the natural, you know, correct common law. And, you know, there's they're trying to impose their laws, their, regulations, their rules, their their man made, you know, whatever it is as a common law, but it is still the codes, the laws, and whatever they're trying to do and and trick people to believe that they are using common law federal. Remember, the common law was remember,
[01:17:35] Roger Sales:
Merck, because the common law was never even written down until Blackstone went into Oxford and started giving those lectures. It had never been written down ever.
[01:17:47] Unknown:
It's common law, common living, and common sense is what Well, and
[01:17:53] Roger Sales:
well, unless, let's, plug Brent's upcoming thing this coming Thursday is the first edition on Christian nationalism and how to live as a Christian national and form your life and possibly your locales, around these concepts. He's gonna start giving those with sheriff Darleaf from, Barrow County, Michigan, I believe. And they're gonna start doing that this Thursday. You can go to common lawyer.com and register and either even participate live or, listen live or listen later. So, anyway, that's coming up. That should be a real good series too. Barrie County, Roger. Barrie County. Okay. Sorry. My bad. Barrie County, Michigan.
[01:18:36] Unknown:
And, I'll probably bring it up again one day with Brent and see if we can talk about it again. I don't wanna forget about Julie's questions.
[01:18:44] Roger Sales:
I'm trying to get to him. It's only taken me an hour and 15 minutes.
[01:18:52] Unknown:
Thank you.
[01:18:54] Roger Sales:
Excuse me. I gotta look at something here. I don't know what that is. Hold on.
[01:19:02] Unknown:
Damn fly.
[01:19:04] Roger Sales:
Go, you little bastard. Okay. Sorry. We got these flies here, and that was one Iider injured, and he was flopping around. Okay. Anybody else got something to add to any of the discussion that has gone on previously in the program today? Hey, Roger. Any yes. Well, there's Wayne. Hey, Wayne.
[01:19:24] Unknown:
Yeah. How are you doing, bud?
[01:19:26] Roger Sales:
Well, pretty good all in all. How about you?
[01:19:30] Unknown:
Not bad at all. Hold on one second. Yeah. The, what I wanted to just contribute, and I've done it before is, whenever we wanna engage some of these public officials, I think it might be best to always start your notice out with thank you for your service and, I hereby accept your oath of office to the du jour Constitution in the state of Texas or, Texas state or whatever. I think Uh-huh. If you start out the conversation that way, it could very well, put them remedial. You put them on notice that, you know, you're coming at us from a different angle from most letters they get.
[01:20:05] Roger Sales:
Yeah. I think, well, you know, it's just like mama used to say, Wayne, honey draws more flies than vinegar. Oh, yeah.
[01:20:13] Unknown:
Absolutely. And I think the the legal term might be joinder. I think and I don't haven't looked at in a while, but what we're trying to do is create a relationship called joinder where I think reach looking out for each other's benefit, which could be the Allegiance for Protection type idea.
[01:20:29] Roger Sales:
Much interesting. I thought joiners when you joined a existing lawsuit, but it might have other meetings also. Yeah.
[01:20:38] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. Possible. I look at it. Good a good, time to look up there. Maybe something else
[01:20:43] Roger Sales:
Okay, buddy. Thank you. Thank you so much. And, and, Wayne Roger. Your time listener. There's Larry again. Yes, sir.
[01:20:53] Unknown:
Yeah. I was wondering if Wayne could, answer the question. Is the IRS commissioner supposed to have an oath of office also on file?
[01:21:07] Roger Sales:
You know what? I I would doubt that he I would doubt that he does because they're not an official, government agency. You know that, Larry?
[01:21:19] Unknown:
Right.
[01:21:21] Unknown:
Yeah. I I actually have the, court document that shows that they are not an agency.
[01:21:28] Roger Sales:
Yep. That was that, those depositions that, Ralph Winery used to have where they they ask in a deposition, the US attorney, is the IRS a government agency, and she declined. She just said no. That's the same one I'm thinking of. Right, Larry? Exactly. Yeah. I think it's the same one. But, yeah, I don't have that. Company. It was a lawsuit to some metals company, and this was a deposition associated with the suit, and they were deposing a US attorney. So that's where that came from. Verification Right. And there's also a verification attorney. There's the Department of Justice that was involved. But, yeah, I think that's the same one because I remember that one of the,
[01:22:11] Unknown:
parties was, something with metal.
[01:22:13] Roger Sales:
Yeah. It's metals company. Also, you can go back to you can look this up on the Internet, Woodrow Wilson's Repudiation of Dollar Diplomacy. It's a very short little document, a couple paragraphs. Woodrow Wilson's Repudiation of Dollar Diplomacy. Julie, you probably not heard this before. Back when Wilson was first elected, he was approached, as he says in this little this little document, by a consortium of bankers, and they wanted him to cosign, undersign, a loan to China for a $100,000,000. Boy, this has got some really interesting implications. K?
And so this was the very first document I ever found at the Cobb County Library as I started getting into researching this, and it lays out the blueprint of the new world order. K? And so they had approached him to undersign. Why would they want him to undersign? So that the military could go with arms to collect the taxes. The, taxes he described here. And, he refused to sign it. Obviously, it was early in his presidency and they didn't have those letters to his concubine yet. Or at least they weren't holding his feet to the fire with him. And so, he refused, and he lays out in a paragraph the reasons. One of them was the tax system.
I think I'm quoting pretty accurately here but because it is, quote, burdensome and antiquated. Is our tax system burdensome and antiquated? You bet your ass it is intentionally. Okay? And administered by foreign agents. That's in the Wilson document. Burdensome and antiquated and administered by foreign agents. IRS is not a government agency. They are under the International Monetary Fund. Now, Larry, who's their boss? Who's under the structure? Who's their boss?
[01:24:19] Unknown:
Yes. The, the secretary of the treasury.
[01:24:23] Roger Sales:
Everything that secretary of the treasury says they gotta do. She Janet Yellen. Secretary well, now, she's the secretary. And, if you'll remember and you wanna go back and do some cross checking here, excuse me. You can go back to Black's Law Dictionary and look up bank holiday of 1933. Bank holiday of 1933. And I'm gonna paraphrase it here. It says, the banks were shut down for 5 days and were later reopened under regulations from the secretary of treasury blah blah blah. So they closed the banks for 5 days. They took all the gold. They came back out and reopened it with bonds that are now back by about 13 years of birth certificates and other commercial documents.
They reissue the bonds in the new bankrupt of the United States, and they switched the system. Unknowingly, you were the collateral for the damn things. But they couldn't develop that for a couple of decades, and they didn't get it finalized until the last move they took, which was Brown versus Board of Education making the two statuses equal. And 60 days later to the day, they put the 1954 revenue code in place, and that's the revenue code that we use today. That was the end game right there because the tax system is the integral part of their system. And if they don't have it, they ain't got a system. They got to be able to drive those bondholders.
K?
[01:26:03] Unknown:
I would think that the IRS commissioner would have to have an oath of office because he's appointed by the president, and even federal judges in the district courts, they're appointed by the president, and they have to have a oath of office. Correct? No.
[01:26:20] Roger Sales:
Well, federal judges do, but they're not a quasi corp, quasi agency. The IRS is a quasi agency. I I my statement was totally speculatory. You guys get digged down to the depths of some of this stuff that I've never even approached. K? So The reason I say all this
[01:26:40] Unknown:
speculation. Yeah. It might be a well, I I like Wayne's idea. Maybe we should add that to if indeed he has an oath of office or is required to have 1, that might be a good statement.
[01:26:51] Unknown:
The IRS commissioner is required to take an oath of office,
[01:26:55] Roger Sales:
I e. Well, there you go. Okay. Well, that must be the definitive answer. Okay? Roger, do you know who the new,
[01:27:03] Unknown:
do you know who the the new IRS commissioner is gonna be?
[01:27:08] Roger Sales:
No.
[01:27:10] Unknown:
Congressman Billy Long.
[01:27:12] Unknown:
Who?
[01:27:14] Unknown:
Congressman Billy Long. Okay. He's an auctioneer and a CPA.
[01:27:22] Roger Sales:
Yeah. Well, we need to get him 1.1 dash 1 a, I guess. So we need to start. Well, we send those, notices to him. So let him see that when he gets in.
[01:27:33] Unknown:
I think all the students should, pay attention to see if he actually is initiated an oath of office also. So
[01:27:42] Roger Sales:
I have a feeling the Trump administration will do things by the jot and the tittle. Again, we'll see. K? Now I yield. Okay. I I hesitate to ask this. Does anybody else have anything to bring forward? Usually, I'm begging you. Now I'm worried about Roger, I have a question.
[01:28:04] Unknown:
This is great.
[01:28:06] Roger Sales:
Hey, Britney. Question.
[01:28:07] Unknown:
This is off topic maybe or, like, something you said several weeks ago is, if we don't file tax returns and stuff because we're nationals,
[01:28:15] Roger Sales:
how are we supposed to get, like, bank loans and things like that? I know the whole thing is a scam because they borrow your signature from the last calls. Well, that's that's quite interesting. And I would say that that you're not gonna find any banks that are gonna make a loan to you without your last 3 years of tax returns. That cost one of our students a pretty penny here recently because he had done a revocation of election and had gotten a whole bunch of money back, and I mean a lot of money. You're a Bitcoin girl. You'd appreciate that amount. I'm not gonna say it on the air.
And, so then he inherited his uncle's family farm, and he went up there to to start getting his uncle's line of credit reestablished in his name. And they required him to have 3 past years' tax returns. And he had to go give all that money back to the IRS because the money made off the farm dwarfs that. Okay? So now here's your option. There's private money out there. There's private money you can go and and borrow and and pools of it and bypass the banks. I don't know where to point you, but I know they're out there. Okay?
[01:29:26] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. I just was wondering about that. And then, your second question
[01:29:31] Roger Sales:
Well, you got a bunch of that Bitcoin. You're your own bank, aren't you?
[01:29:36] Unknown:
Yeah. Just about, but still, I like to leverage your system because then why would I put up my own capital up for everything. You know?
[01:29:45] Roger Sales:
Yeah. Well Yeah. It depends on the situation. You know? You control people 1 or 2 ways, either through debt or by force, and they can't do it by force. So they do it by debt. And if you go into that with your big old pretty eyes wide open, then I guess everything's alright.
[01:30:05] Unknown:
Okay. And then being a national, it only,
[01:30:08] Roger Sales:
helps anything going forward. Anything in previous It's not retroactive. Is that correct? Well, you could probably go back and try and file some suits for fraud, but you're never gonna find a court that's gonna hear it. What judge? What judge is gonna go down as the judge that pulled the bottom card out of the house of cards?
[01:30:31] Unknown:
Mhmm. Right. No. I agree. Yeah. And that's kind of the question. Like, let's say, like, we're talking about the car registration or police officer gives you a citation and stuff. Now if you're a national and then they approach you and then let's say they still throw you in jail or whatever, they write you a ticket. Is there,
[01:30:50] Roger Sales:
repercussions of them doing that to you? They should. If that well, here's where here's where the notice comes in because if you've done all the back end notice weaponizing your position, I like to think of it as, and they have not objected to that or overcome that notice, then should they do that to you, they're acting outside their delegated responsibilities. You're not that person. They threw that person in jail thinking you're a citizen of the United States. They'd been given notice that you weren't and the documentation that you weren't and the proof that you weren't and they acted anyway. Well, they lose their cloak of immunity, and now you're supposed to be conceptually, theoretically, you should be able to take them to court and take everything they've got.
[01:31:38] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. I was just curious about that. Again, I And now and hold on. Let let me finish. There's a button.
[01:31:43] Roger Sales:
There's a button up here. Not only should the deputy and the sheriff be, suitable for lawsuit, but because you've tied them in properly through the laws of agency with the state attorney general, the state attorney general should have been overseeing this, and they lose their cloak of immunity also theoretically.
[01:32:07] Unknown:
Okay. No. That makes sense. I was just, curious.
[01:32:10] Roger Sales:
Mhmm. Okay. Alright. So we'll get you taken care of. All the questions I had. Yep. That was it. Okay. Glad you're hanging around, Purdy. Now, Julie Thank you.
[01:32:20] Unknown:
Yep. Hey, Roger. I just wanted to let you know that the current IRS commissioner's term doesn't expire until 2027.
[01:32:27] Roger Sales:
Okay. Well, maybe Trump will throw him out of there. We'll see.
[01:32:31] Unknown:
Look. And then also everybody everybody everybody needs to be aware of, Todd Callender and doctor Lee Vallett. They they actually did FOIA requests on every single person Oh, I know how you who's who's required to do an oath of office and Wow. There's only, like, one person out of everybody that did a proper oath of office, which means they didn't have it notarized properly.
[01:32:52] Roger Sales:
Correct. Or the proper information in there, they're in Veith, and Todd didn't do that. Their paralegal did. But she's the one that got the idea.
[01:33:02] Unknown:
Exactly.
[01:33:03] Roger Sales:
Alright. Now, Julie, I'm try I thought the whole show would be dedicated to your 2 questions today. We got about 30 minutes left. K? Quite a brisk discussion here today, and I wanna thank everybody that's brought that stuff to the forefront because I think everybody's interested in it. And, yes, Merck has got an injection here. Yes, ma'am?
[01:33:25] Unknown:
Just, to double check the information you shared about the private bank,
[01:33:30] Roger Sales:
can you repeat that? And, Sandra, I was not in the process. I just wanted to cover private pools of money out there. We had a guy that used to be in that business from Georgia. Came on, told us about it one day. I can't point you to anybody, but you start asking questions. There's private investors, that will loan you money, and you don't have to go through a bank.
[01:33:50] Unknown:
Right. And what was the wasn't there a book that you mentioned? Or
[01:33:54] Roger Sales:
No. Or Not to deal with that. I don't I don't know anything about that. I I guess I knew they were there intrinsically, but never really had it identified until whoever the person was from I think it's a guy from Saint Simons Simons that called up and gave us that information. There's also another thing, Julie. You're you're a eye deep in the real estate business. Have you ever heard of assignment of pre principal payments before?
[01:34:22] Unknown:
Yes. I've heard of the assignment of the principal payments.
[01:34:25] Roger Sales:
Oh, you do? Okay. Good. I was trying to explain that to a real estate buddy of mine down here. They had a hard time grasping that, but that came out on the show one day. I've never heard of it either. But, man, I wish I would have a long time ago. K? Because you could really use that in your advantage. We won't get into. It's too complex. I got 2 things on the table from Julie. Core band and going over the monetary system on the promising promissory note. You wanted clarification on both those things. Right?
[01:34:57] Unknown:
Yeah. I wanted to you to go over again the promissory note and how they, how they then who how they issue that into a bond and who the bond holders are to generate the fake money. Alright. Well, they they they don't turn it into a bond. They leave it in a promissory note.
[01:35:14] Roger Sales:
They do a a bond on the federal level to underpin the whole system, but I'm just talking about you're in the mortgage business. Somebody goes and and takes out a mortgage on a house. They get approved by an underwriter and how that process goes. Okay? Now I might can get through both of them here, but I like to give a background on things, and both of these things can get fairly in-depth. Let's deal with the promissory note first.
[01:35:42] Unknown:
You've heard the, you've heard the
[01:35:45] Roger Sales:
saying there is no money, there's only credit.
[01:35:47] Unknown:
Correct.
[01:35:48] Roger Sales:
Alright. Well, with the credit is us. We start the whole system with that bond. That's when you're born, you're assigned, your parents were both surfs. They didn't know it, but they were. They agreed to it every time they were ever asked. And so that means you were born in servitude to the so when your feet came out of mama's birth canal, you were a serf. That because you couldn't agree to that till you were 18, you didn't have to. But after you turned 18, you started getting these little things with these questions on them, like, are you a citizen of the United States? Are you a resident? You, not knowing any different, thinking there might be repercussions if you answered negatively, answered positively through both those questions, signed something, and agreed to their silent contract that well, hey.
Julia ought to know what she is, shouldn't she? Ignorance of the law is no excuse. You were supposed to know you were free. Do you know that? Okay. So that's the scam. Alright? Now you have that birth certificate that's issued to you at birth. Julie, have you come across the, information that we got from Brian Howard straight from the hospital in Austin, Texas where both of his daughters were born on this issue?
[01:37:07] Unknown:
No.
[01:37:09] Roger Sales:
Wow. More background. Well, I'm what I'm telling you has been proven by the hospital. K? And we'll go into the story one day next week if you wanna ask. But I can't get all 3 of these in. I promise you. K? So, anyway, the birth certificate is considered to be we are virtually positive a warehouse receipt. Birth certificates started in the states originally in the 1800, but they were probably and I'm I'm speculating here. They because they didn't have the power to do this, and the 14th amendment wasn't in place. So when they assigned a birth certificate to somebody in Massachusetts, I think, was the first one. Lisa researched it one day. We're talking about it. There were several states. They didn't have one on the federal level. And so knowing what their scheme was gonna be in the very first depression in 21 2021, there was a very short one because and I'm who the president who I it wouldn't Coolidge.
It might have been silent, Cal. Might have been Coolidge. Just let the thing work out, by itself and it straightened itself out in 2 years. But it was in that period of time, and they always like to do things when you're distracted. It was in that period of time that they passed a federal birth certificate act. So from 1920, 21, whenever that was, all the way until 1933, they had stacks of birth certificates piling up on the federal level because they knew they were gonna do this, and they wanna use those as collateral for the new bonds that are issued after the bankruptcy. See, they bankrupted the country in 33. This has nothing to do with 29 and the stock market crashed. This is all on 33 and a bond crash.
They bankrupted the country in the international bond market. K? And so Wasn't that wasn't that under FDR and wasn't that also fake? No. No. It wasn't. Well, yes. It was under FDR. But 2 2 or 3 days into his presidency because they used to, inaugurate presidents in around March 5th back in those days. So this is March 9th. So, yes, in the first couple of days of his presidency, they had this all stoked up and fired and ready to go. Okay? So they had piles of birth certificates acting as a warehouse receipt on a secondary level known to them, not to us. And that warehouse receipt is a commercial document. It's in the UCC, been around for a long time. It's very legitimate, and the warehouse receipt takes on the quality of the good, and the good takes on a shadowy existence.
So when you got a warehouse receipt on a a bunch of corn out in a silo somewhere, okay, the warehouse receipt is the corn. Oh, you don't have to go get the corn when you sell it to somebody. You give them the warehouse receipt because the warehouse receipt is the corn. Are you with me?
[01:40:16] Unknown:
Yep.
[01:40:17] Roger Sales:
Okay. So, so that that they had these things stacked up, and they knew that they were gonna have to reissue new bonds. And I think what's going on is they had been stealing gold out of the US. I think the price of gold in Europe was triple at that point, and they'd been stealing gold out of the banks and taking it to Europe and arbitraging it. Okay? So it was partly evidently if that's true because their little ass was painted into a corner. They're they're about to get caught with all this thievery. Alright? So they bankrupt the country and used to be in contracts previous to 33.
There was a gold settlement clause. So if you couldn't settle in whatever the currency that was recognized, you had to settle in gold. Well, they wiped all the gold settlement clauses out of all the contracts. K? That was one of the big things they had to do because they were switching the system to your future labor. Alright? So now that's what we're talking about. So, Julie, you're in the real estate business. You've seen you you've been to a few closings, I take it.
[01:41:28] Unknown:
Yes. I have.
[01:41:29] Roger Sales:
Oak okay. So when they sign, they take somebody into, to do the not not the closing, but the signing of the documents there. What's the first pay piece of paper on top? There's a couple inches of papers they gotta sign. Right? What's the first one?
[01:41:47] Unknown:
Well, it's the promissory note and the Yep. Settlement statement.
[01:41:51] Roger Sales:
Yep. Promissory note right there on top. If you don't sign that, you don't have to sign all the rest of those inches of paper, do you? Nope. Because that promissory note does everything. A promissory note, once again, we're going back to Babylonian merchant code. This is where you need to understand and have a working knowledge of some of this stuff. A promissory note is a promise to pay. Right? Well, hold on. I got a Federal Reserve note here. It says Federal Reserve note right at the top, doesn't it? Well, that says note. Anytime the word note is used in any legal context, its meaning is always promissory note. Well, there's a promissory note on the top of the bill I got in my hand, isn't there?
[01:42:35] Unknown:
Yep. It's monopoly money.
[01:42:37] Roger Sales:
Alright. Well, what's the promise to pay? Do I take this to Janet Yellen and say, this used to buy a dollar's worth that only buys 2¢ worth now? Where's my where's the my other 98¢, you bitch? Okay? Well, you don't do that, do you? It doesn't apply there, does it?
[01:42:56] Unknown:
No.
[01:42:57] Roger Sales:
Where does it apply? If they just use this full faith and credit of the United States, they print on those bills, they just pull that out of their sphincter muscle or what? Where's the promise to pay? The bondholder. See, you never get circulating currency unless there's a bond that backs it. When they print up the Federal Reserve notes, they print up the same amount of bonds and they give both the bonds and the Federal Reserve notes, the bonds that back them, up to the Federal Reserve. They take the bonds, and they got primary bond dealers like Scanner Fitzgerald that we heard a lot about back in 911, top floor of the Twin Towers. They're a primary bond dealer. What's that mean? When the when they issue these bonds, the people that are have committed to be a primary bond dealer, they have to take all the bonds. So if they've got a $100,000,000,000 worth of bonds, the Federal Reserve doesn't keep any of them. They give them to the primary, bond dealer because they're obligated to take all of them. And if they can't sell them now and it's just something I've come to recently. I thought the Federal Reserve had to buy back those bonds if nobody wanted them, but that's not true, Julie. Guess who buys them?
[01:44:22] Unknown:
Treasury. The banks.
[01:44:25] Roger Sales:
Secretary of the Treasury. So when nobody wants them, Federal Reserve don't want them, they sell them to the Treasury. So everything is designed to protect these slimy slaving bastards. Alright? Because that's what they are. So the other part, the promissory notes, the bonds go to the primary bond dealers. They're then, they're then circulated and sold. And, you know, if you go look up in Black's Law Dictionary, Julie, if you go look up a villain regardant, that's v I l l e I n is the way it's spelled properly. Villain, we say villain. It should be pronounced villain.
Villain regardant. There's a number of different types of villains. By the way, you're a knave, Julie. And there's a number of different types of villains. And under this villain regard, the definition is a villain attached to the land property and transferable by deed. So when they sell those bonds internationally to other investors or other people, it transfers you by deed to them.
[01:45:44] Unknown:
Hey, Raj.
[01:45:45] Roger Sales:
Yes.
[01:45:46] Unknown:
I have a quick little fun fact here. Amendment 20 to the constitution was ratified on January 23rd 1933, it changed the original calendar dates for the president and vice president's terms from March 4th to January 20th. Yep. More fun facts about 1933.
[01:46:08] Roger Sales:
Okay. But it's a very important date. K. Obviously. So, Julie, now we're gonna get into your question here. So there is nothing but these birth certificates or collateral attached to these bonds. That's the people pay them funds, currency, to buy the bonds to get a return on investment. That's the original credit spout. That's why the tax thing is so critical. They've gotta pay those bond holders to keep the legitimacy of the system up. So there's the credit spout. Everything else is credit above that. So when your people wanna go buy a mortgage, they do that, all that stuff, and they go in to that closing and they boom. And they get that mortgage document. And, we had a black listener from Maryland on a few years ago. He was a mortgage. He was in the mortgage business, and he had a radio show about it. His name was Eric Kate. He's a real good guy.
And he was saying, well, I got turned on to this because I was in a closing attorney's office where I had a friend that's he works there, and I was back there talking to her. And she was taking all these days closing documents, flipping them over, stamping them. Boom. But put them over, stamping them. And he said, well, hold on. What are you stamping on the back of that? What do you think it said, Julie?
[01:47:27] Unknown:
Bond or something.
[01:47:29] Roger Sales:
For deposit in any Federal Reserve Bank. So the Fed is taking all of the mortgages on discount. Why? Because that's where the bulk share of the whole payout is. You don't pay a damn penny off your mortgage for 15 years if you got a 30 year mortgage and you're paying it right.
[01:47:50] Unknown:
Yeah. You're just playing interest only.
[01:47:52] Roger Sales:
Yes. The whole 5th 1st 15 years is nothing but vigorous. Well, that's what they want. They're damn Jews. They want the vigorous. You know what vigorous is?
[01:48:06] Unknown:
It's a bad word.
[01:48:07] Roger Sales:
It's interest. Compound interest. Interest. Compound interest is vigorous. That's what they call it.
[01:48:13] Unknown:
Vague. You might hear it referred to vig. Okay. So now Yeah. That's why they that's why that's why the banks love it when you refinance because you start all over again and you start Yeah. Especially for the people that do 30 year mortgages all over again. You start all over with your interest payments again. Well, don't forget we mentioned it a couple weeks ago
[01:48:31] Roger Sales:
when we were talking to doctor Gene Schroeder, a term came up called Mortmain. Do you know about that?
[01:48:37] Unknown:
I I think I missed that.
[01:48:40] Roger Sales:
I think I missed that. Mortmain is the root word of mortgage. It means a death grip. It's ancient. Okay? So, anyway, when they signed that promissory note, now they created a 30 year mortgage of payments, didn't they? Was it there before? No. Nope. They signed that promissory note. Now they obligated themselves to pay so many payments and so much principal and so much interest for 360 months. Right? Yep. Well, they signed it when they signed it, they created the money. Like, I I've been I'm using the term when they signed it, they created the currency. They monetized the currency is how the treasury says it. They're the dead pieces of green paper with dead presidents on them sitting in a warehouse are not quote, unquote money. They're pieces of dead paper with presidents on them.
Them. Not until someone takes out a loan and that amount, basically, you the monetized collateral amount, whatever you're putting up as a collateral is monetized, and then that is circulating currency. But here's the rub. They don't create the interest payments. They only monetize your principal. So if the house is $300,000, then your payout over 30 years is $900,000, basically. Rule of thumb, if I remember right. Right? Yep. It's 3 times what the mortgage is, basically. Okay? So when they sign that mortgage, they only loaned the 300,000 into circulation.
The other 600,000 was not loaned into circulation. You get that? Are you with me? Yeah.
[01:50:36] Unknown:
Yeah.
[01:50:37] Roger Sales:
So you see the scam now there on that compound interest over that loan is where there is accuracy in the phrase making money out of thin air. They they make money out of thin air off the proceeds of the interest off the monetized collateral. K? But do you know any bankers that loan 1,000,000,000 of dollars out without compound interest on one side and collateralization on the other? No. Well, I don't either. Okay? And these guys don't either. So that phrase, when you hear someone say they make money out of thin air, they don't really understand what they're talking about because they don't make money. It's only monetized when it's loaned, and the only thing they loan into circulation is the monetary value of your collateral. They never loan in the interest. And then your collateral depreciates generally.
And then on the other side is compound interest as Einstein called it the 8th wonder of the world. So the sad fact is if every loan in America that's outstanding was paid off, we would have no circulating medium because there's not enough to pay off all the compounding interest that's compounded on all these loans over all this time. You with me there?
[01:51:59] Unknown:
Yeah. But when I've gone in to buy houses before, I've actually, like, brought in a check from Bank of America before.
[01:52:08] Roger Sales:
Okay. Well, that's good. Then, yeah, that's a that's a I can figure out what that what does that check place apart? Well, that's taking circulating currency and paying in cash for your new collateral. This other is financing it on a promissory note. They're 2 different animals. Alright. Oh, yes. Who's the guy?
[01:52:28] Unknown:
I just I saw that
[01:52:31] Roger Sales:
up. Yeah. Let me hold on, Brent. Who was the first one?
[01:52:39] Unknown:
I I think it was me.
[01:52:41] Roger Sales:
Yes. It was. Great. What what's your comment?
[01:52:44] Unknown:
Okay. So when when you sign the promissory note, the bank, what they do is they bring it to the Federal Reserve window with an application for Federal Reserve notes. Okay? The Federal Reserve notes can come digitally, or they can come in the form of a check. Okay? And then they'll just write back out. So when they do this, they consider the promissory note collateral security.
[01:53:06] Roger Sales:
Of course. Because you promised to pay it. You were checked out for credit worthiness. But we haven't even got to the switch yet. We haven't even got to the switch yet on the double entry bookkeeping. K? The switch hadn't been defined yet. You're saying they take it to the Federal Reserve window. And from what this guy told me, every one of them damn things were were taken to the Federal Reserve window every day. And knowing these people, I would think that that is one note that they definitely want to buy discounted because it's all interest on the front end. K? So yeah. Alright. I'll Brent, hold on a second whoever you were. Brent, what what's your comment?
[01:53:46] Unknown:
I wanted to say to Julie, vigorous isn't niggerish, but it is juicery.
[01:53:56] Roger Sales:
There there you go. Oh, Brent, you're such a breath of fresh air.
[01:54:00] Unknown:
Raj? Yes. Just a quick comment. Just a quick comment. Newley, when you show up there with a check from Bank of America, you had to sign something to get that check. Correct. It's just different promise order note.
[01:54:16] Roger Sales:
Thank you. Alright. Alright. But let me here's where they do the on any loan, you gotta sign the problem. Buy a car. You sign the promissory note, mortgage, etcetera, whatever it is. When you do that, you've created monetized collateral because they take the amount of your collateral and monetize that and loan it into circulation. Again, the interest compounding is never loaned into circulation. Somebody else has gotta take out another loan for a car or a house, and you've gotta beat them out of their principal so you can pay your interest and keep your collateral. Do you see the game?
[01:54:53] Unknown:
Yep.
[01:54:54] Roger Sales:
Okay. Now the way they do it is where the fraud is. Okay? First of all, they never gave you any quote, unquote money. They gave you credit represented in Federal Reserve notes, a promise to pay. That's not money. It's a promise to pay. Right? Yep. Okay. So they're representing it to be one thing, yet it's another. Okay? Fraud. So here's what they do. When you leave, they take that instrument, whichever it is, and they go back to the financial institution, and they put it on the liability side of the ledger. The I o I o, it's off to work I go on that side.
But it's not a liability. It's an asset. You've signed your name to but put all this currency in circulation with interest. So it's it's not a liability to them. It's an asset, isn't it? Well, here's the fraud. That's the fraud.
[01:55:53] Unknown:
They then take the other book Oh oh oh oh, Roger Woodpey. Oh. What's the other Please. Let me finish, please. Okay?
[01:56:01] Roger Sales:
Then they take that and they discount it into the secondary market of investors at a discount. So instead of if it's a mortgage, instead of $900,000 payout over 30 years, they might sell it for 500,000. So they're gonna give the investor that lump sum of that return, and they're gonna take a quick return. So they discount it to another investor. That investor now, like your other question, pays them in currency. So they bring that currency back and put it on the asset side of the ledger to balance out the liability, and that's what they pay off your house or your car with.
There's the fraud right there.
[01:56:46] Unknown:
So Hey, Rob. If they put if they list this as if they if they list this as a liability on their side,
[01:56:53] Roger Sales:
what do they debit on the asset side of the ledger when they're doing that? The current the the currency that they get back from discounting the note into the secondary market. Okay. But they discounted it. So what's the other plug in? Because the I I Julie Julie, I don't I can't answer that. I'm not a CPA. I'm telling you what the action is from a CPA expert witness, and the guy that told him this was a federal bank regulator. Okay? Right. That's the source of what I'm telling you.
[01:57:29] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you.
[01:57:31] Unknown:
Okay. I I could say something on that. So what they're doing is they put it on the they they go register these things on the Security Exchange Commission. Okay? So what this is, this is a remake, right, where they take these, real estate mortgage, and they they group all these mortgages together and then sell them, on the like, they're backed by a pool of mortgages, basically, what these things are. Right? And they're they're debt securities to back to public debt. So even though that the original note has gone to the Federal Reserve window and was and was exchanged for Federal Reserve notes, they go and then sell them to well, it goes into remake. It gets put on the, the mortgage backed security. It gets sold on on the security exchange commission.
[01:58:19] Roger Sales:
In tranches. And then people buy and trade them. Right. And they're that led up to the tranches. And that was the big, the big switch or what was the name of that movie from o eight? The big con, the big somebody help me here. Short. Short. The big short. The big short. That's all big short thing. Okay? So, Julie, I wanna go back to Julie. I wanna make sure this is clear in her mind. Do you see from the big picture conceptual overview what's happening here?
[01:58:50] Unknown:
Yeah. I do. And I do understand that collateralized bond market and stuff because I used to audit Fannie and Freddie Mac's books. So I understand what they do and how they pull all these mortgages and sell them off in the secondary market.
[01:59:03] Roger Sales:
It's it's crim well, it's criminal what they're doing. It's all fraud. Tom Schauff had when he first figured this out, they had some customers, I think, in Arizona that went to court and sued the bank that they didn't loan them money. And there was fraud involved, and the judge put the case under Seel and gave them the key to their house.
[01:59:29] Unknown:
And how do you spell Schaaf?
[01:59:31] Roger Sales:
S c h a u f or double f. They've scrubbed the Internet of him. You probably can't find much, but you may be able to. Tom was his first name. He was in Chicago, then he moved to Arizona, and then I lost touch of him. He trained a bunch of CPAs on this, and so there may be other information on this out there from one of them. But the originator of it was Tom Schauff. He was an expert witness. He had qualified himself to do expert accounting testimony, forensic. And he found out there was no school that certified so, CPAs to do that. And so he started a school, and one of his students was a federal regulator who pulled him aside and tells the expert CPA, hey. Do you know every loan in America is a fraud?
And the expert CPA goes, what are you talking about? And explained to him what I just explained to you.
[02:00:31] Unknown:
Wow.
[02:00:32] Unknown:
Okay? Roger?
[02:00:34] Roger Sales:
Yeah. Yeah, Joe.
[02:00:36] Unknown:
So, the thing is that the banks are now allowed to actually loan any money. So what what I found out is that, really, what you're doing is you're selling the bank a security, which they which they then exchange, right, for a, you know, for, like, a house or a car, whatever it is. So Could be. And and if you if you actually report it to the IRS correctly, there's no debt to be paid after that because it's it's a settled matter.
[02:01:07] Roger Sales:
And because you're you're starting to tell me everything go get into the details and all that stuff. I just know I'll never own another mortgage. K? Or I should say another mortgage will never own me. Put it that way. So, Julie, you had 2 questions. I just flat couldn't get to the second one. Sorry. We can do it next week, though. On Monday. Well, yeah, we can do that second hour. And remember, it's Korban. So, probably some of the audience heard that. Probably some of them haven't. Anyway, we're about to get cut off the air here. Paul's trigger finger is itchy. And so, we'll just say that we'll see you as the world restarts on Monday, 6th.
Introduction and Show Setup
Discussion on Alex Jones and Affiliate Program
Listener Questions and Legal Discussions
Tax Tribunal and Legal Appeals
Historical Amendments and Legal Interpretations
Oaths of Office and Legal Obligations
Bank Loans and National Status
Promissory Notes and Monetary System Explained
