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In this episode, host Roger Sayles navigates a lively discussion on the intricacies of citizenship, legal systems, and personal sovereignty. The conversation delves into the complexities of the U.S. legal framework, with a focus on the distinction between U.S. citizens and nationals. Roger and his guests explore the historical and legal nuances of citizenship, including the implications of the Fourteenth Amendment and the concept of birthright citizenship. The dialogue also touches on the practical aspects of asserting one's rights and the potential legal remedies available to those seeking to reclaim their sovereignty.

Listeners are treated to an engaging exchange of ideas on the use of affidavits, the role of the court system, and the importance of understanding one's legal status. The episode also highlights the challenges and opportunities in navigating the legal landscape, with insights from various contributors who share their experiences and knowledge. This episode serves as a resource for those interested in understanding the legal mechanisms that govern citizenship and the pursuit of personal freedom.

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Roger is connected to us, but he is still muted. Go ahead. Well, I didn't have my mute I didn't have my mute set up. I got in under the wire. So sorry, Paul. Thanks for stepping in.   Saturday morning here on the Radio Ranch, and you can tell.   I can't even   reach over and get the mute turned on   off or whatever it is. I have the same problem a bunch of you have, I guess.   Roger Sales, your host as, it's a Saturday edition, which we, like. And,   I gave you the date stamp. It's the thirtieth. It's the official day of, college football starting, so that's pretty welcome at least in my quarters.   So,   Paul, well, I imagine we got the light contingent today. Right? So, if you'll come out and identify the the folks that are hanging with us here on the weekend, and we'll move forward, whatever we're gonna do.  



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There you go.   That's it. Just so easy. The Saturday show, we added, what, couple years ago during COVID,   as we   anticipated   people, coming to the program here.   And for those who are still or were at that point or still gainfully employed,   we have this program for you in case you wanna ask answers. So I ask questions for answers or make comments or whatever. We have some,   I don't know if Austin Austin may be back with us today. Don't know. Julie   didn't tell us and, maybe. Hope so. We've got Joseph, the new student, who's been with us this week and   Todd and his group. And Todd's had a little medical problem with a sciatic nerve or something, and I think he's back with us, hopefully, today without any pain.  

And,   so maybe we will have some questions. Is there any other new folks? We have the program for you, really.   We enjoy it. We enjoy the conversation we have,   the social intercourse, if you will, and,   the important things that are revolving around us that help shape our lives in the future.   Certainly, we'll talk about that. But the program is mainly for, new students, actually,   and we keep going back over the basics, drill practice rehearse.   So, anyway, may do that today. Don't know what we're gonna do. We'll wait and see if we can field anything. I hear somebody's with a mic open. Is there a question there? Roger, I have a question for you. Okay, boys. Right off the bat, man, it's good. Yes. Who who who do we have here this morning?  

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This is Joseph.  

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Joseph. Well, welcome back, man. How are you doing?  

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I'm doing great, man. How about yourself? Well, pretty good.  

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Pretty good. Beautiful day here. You know? I I I really   one of my attachments   back to the old days is college football, and I love the SEC. And   so I've been waiting for number of months with other folks, so that starts today. That's good.   You're in Arizona. What part of Arizona are you in?  

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I'm in Newmont. Hey, Moss.  

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Sure.   Yeah. Well, let me sneeze here, I guess. Go ahead, Joseph.  

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Yeah. So I sent off my affidavit yesterday.   And,   Congratulations.   What I did   what's that?  

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Congratulations   on your freedom.  

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Yes, sir. We   we do what we can. We practice in the private.   So,   what I did was I used my thumbprint   over   my prints and signature of the name.   And I'm kinda curious,   because I didn't find   on the group,   but it was mentioned that a notary could be of of use. And,   as I've looked it up,   notary sometimes can be   considered   as bringing   us into   public commerce. And I'm just kinda curious your thoughts on I I think that's notary versus two just two witnesses   and and, just a I I feel confident in what I sent off, but I'm kinda curious here. Okay. Well, a notary  

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is a notary is someone who is accredited by the state   to watch people sign important documents   with an identification   there to make sure the person signing the document   is the same person that the document applies to.   That is the only reason, to my knowledge, another reason.   K?   Yes. You can use two witnesses. That's biblical.   Not three, not four. Two will two will do.   And an affidavit is a slightly   higher   document   for this reason.   Because for them to   overcome it,   your testimony is court testimony, which you're   basically doing.  

And for them to overcome it, they have to draw up another affidavit properly formed,   properly,   properly notarized   that has facts on it that trump your facts on your affidavit.   That's the only way they can beat it. K?   But declaration, which you can do, will will suffice.   And in fact, I'm I sent in the last time I did it here, year and a half ago,   I sent in a declaration of citizenship   evidence. I just changed affidavit to declaration   because down here,   notaries are lawyers,   and you gotta go pay them $80 to notarize it. And then because it's a Spanish speaking company, there's gonna country's gonna have to be apostilles and   all kinds of crap. It's just not worth all that to have the notary. I could have done it with two witnesses, but I just went ahead and did the declaration.  

You can do either, and either will work.   K?   I mean, you know, I believe it's,   what is the,   what's the the the,   the in in law, there's a case that about the Sculpey,   about exculpatory   evidence. Brady. Brady material, they call it. You probably heard that referred to. And,   I believe that   Brady was written in pencil   to the Supreme Court.   Because in in in many in prisons, that's the only thing they have access to many times is pencil and paper.   So, anyway and I maintain you could probably do this declaration on a toy on toilet paper, and they'd have to accept it.   So there's no there's no gotchas.  

There's no gotchas in any of that stuff,   at least that I've ever found.   The you know, there's, there's some things that you could see, if you understand, it's the feudal system, for example.   On the first you had you did a d s 11 yesterday. Right? You just sent in the affidavit yesterday, Cole. This wasn't a passport application. Right, Joseph?  

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Yeah. Correct.   Yep. Standalone.  

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Yeah. Well, if you get over to the passport declaration, there's a couple of things that are different in the d s 11.   First, you gotta be in front of an authorized agent to sign it.   Secondly, they ask you, if your parents were citizens of The United States.   There are people in our movement, Copper Moonshine still over there tells people to say no on that.   Boy, I really stringently   object to that even though I don't think any of these people have been busted for it.   But you just no reason to lie on the passport application.   First of all, they need that information because your parents were citizens of The United States determines your   your status. You know? Maybe you had one parent that was a citizen. The other one is somebody   from a foreign nation. Well, you can still access your citizenship.  

K?   But,   they need that information if they were if they had not filed an affidavit and didn't know all this stuff, which is   the the the majority of the chances they didn't,   it didn't make any difference. But if they were, you see,   it   helps them   in the presumption,   the fraudulent presumption.   Because if you say your parents were citizens of The United States   and you don't file an affidavit   and the presumption   because they didn't,   the presumption that you're a federal citizen rolls on.   So that's   it's a little nuance.   Certainly, Copper Moonshine still doesn't understand it because they don't know we're in the feudal system.  

And all these little nuances of the feudal system apply.   So what they're doing, because that is something that's real permanent   you know, the reason they ran all of this through the secretary of state, I've asked   fortained over the years   is because they have always been responsible for passports even back to the beginning of the country.   And if you look at that little   site we've got, Ubudu two two v DRC,   there on the website. It's an 1835   case,   and there was no fourteenth amendment back then. There's only one state citizen.   And so if you look at that little site in there, it said a passport is a document   under issued under the law of nations,   which presents someone to another foreign nation.  

However,   it the the passport, I also say, is an ex parte   document, which means it's a separate part.   And it says, however, if this is a matter of citizenship,   what matters is what paperwork is in possession of the secretary,   if admissible in a court of law, is to be considered the higher and better evidence.   Right there is one of the reasons we suggest an affidavit.   If it doesn't matter either one of those, a declaration or an affidavit. If it's in the possession of the secretary,   Joseph,   what makes it so powerful   is should anybody get questioned on this in a court of law?  

Because your paperwork is in possession of the secretary,   you could bring it into the court and introduce it as evidence, and it bypasses   the laws of evidence, the rules of evidence, which is one of the ways they used to screen stuff because it's in the secretary's possession.   So all all that revolves around it, and I think, you know, I can remember early on with my path,   and I got a copy of Eustace Mullins,   Secrets to the Federal Reserve, I believe,   and was reading it. And in there, he said,   I just want those things just stuck in my mind all these years. You know? I'm reading it because when they got con they got the Federal Reserve Act passed,   and after that, the first cabinet office they went after   was secretary of state.  

And I I remember thinking thirty something years ago, why would they do that? This is domestic takeover.   Why would they go take over the office that deals with foreign countries?   Well, because I didn't understand the passport. That's why. Because that's what they're gonna use. That's the bottleneck you gotta get out of, and so that is really important to them. Okay?   And, to us now that we know the scam.   But, that's one of the reasons he controls,   and, that this passport thing is so   critical is because it is something officially   that they've got to use to represent you to foreign nations. If they're gonna represent you to foreign   nations, they got if there's different statuses,   they damn sure want to identify you as well, they don't want to. You want them to identify   you as the correct status, don't you? So that's why that passport and the card is so important, Joseph.  



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Right. But,   again,   since I have a book, I wouldn't really necessarily need to be carrying around that card if I was in foreign nations. Correct?  

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Well, well, they wouldn't recognize it in foreign nations as part of a difference. It's a nice identification.   I mean, really. But what we do here   outside the country   is, generally just take instead of ordering a passport card, we'll just take the passport, the picture page,   and go get it reduced and printed in color and then laminated.   And we just present the passport   that way with a passport card. Some people, I'm sure, have the official one. I don't know. I've never have had one.  

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Okay.  

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Yeah. Yeah. Is that Larry there?  

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Yeah. Good morning. I just got two questions for Joseph.   Hey, Joseph. Can you elaborate on I think you said you   you put a fingerprint on your naked affidavit.   And can you elaborate on that and where you learned that from? And then the second thing is,   can you clarify,   if I'm understanding you correctly,   you did not get it notarized, and you did not use two witnesses. Is that true?  

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Yeah. That's correct.   I've seen the thumbprint around in different ways.   When I've researched,   I haven't found a specific law,   but there are things floating around about,   there's not a lot I can cite. Let me be clear about that. There's there's no law. There's no there's no there's no law for you to put your fingerprint on there.  

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So At least that I've ever seen.  

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But in a world Well, that's that's what I'm saying too. But Okay. So, anyway, it's it's just simply an identity,   an identifier   Okay. Because you your thumbprint is unique, and it can't be duplicated.  

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Oh, that's true.   Joseph, did you did you title it an affidavit of citizenship evidence? Or because you didn't get it notarized, did you just put declaration? You   just   put declaration?  

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No. I titled   it as it was. Affidavit of citizenship  

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evidence?  

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Well, now that I'm looking, it doesn't say that on my copy here, but it could I I'm pretty sure I put that on the copy. Well, on the letter. Yes. Here here's my quandary. If you put us in affidavit and didn't get it notarized, it's not an affidavit.  

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K. Now  

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do you So that's different than what you were saying this morning?  

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Well well well, no. It's not different from anything I've ever said. An affidavit that isn't either two witnesses,   They don't have to have thumb, thumbprints. They could just be witnesses in their signature   or a a notary   witnessing your signature with some type of identification   and then her notary seal.   Those are the only two ways I know you send it in.  

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Okay. So  

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that's Right. Okay. So   this is what what I'm asking. Since I did not do a notary or witnesses,   would would you suggest that I would need to submit it once again? Well, it couldn't hurt.  

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It's not an affidavit.   It is a declaration, but you didn't title it as such. I don't or I don't know if you did or not yet and told us.   But if it's an affidavit, it's gotta be either   it's gotta be either notarized or have two witnesses. That's what classifies it as an affidavit.   If you didn't do that, it's not an affidavit.   Now it'll it'll still work, I'm sure,   but it would be a declaration and not an affidavit. So if you titled it that way, you mistitled it. I don't know the effect of that.   You're you're not considering the did go into the law.   You're you're not an attorney? Lawful legal notice, notice to the agent, notice of principal, notice to principal, notice of agent. Alright. Well, well, see that usually, we have to say it could work either way.  

Usually, we reserve that language for the state notices   because it is truly under agency. They are too at the federal government, so it's no harm.   But,   but it doesn't fit in with the way we normally do things. I'm not saying it's wrong. You know? We just don't do it that way. I will say that's  

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that's not exactly clear on how it's listed and shown on various sources through the beginner   pages   from the things that I've looked at   in different locations online. And I'm I'm just saying that that's that's   kind of a discrepancy and a comment that I have on on some of that stuff. But I also understand that it's it's up to me. It's under my personal,   you know, it's up to each individual. I understand that, and I'm in no way am I asserting blame or anything like that. I'm just Well, there's no blame if it's not clear.  

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Well, I I and, also, let me tell you why.   Because this is not a paper filing game. If I had a list of instructions, do this, do this, do that, do that, there's gonna be oh, god. I can get out of the income tax? Hell, I'll go do it. And they go through the steps. They got no skin in the game. They've never learned shit, and so nothing happens. And that's what I'm against.   K? Oh, I get that. I get that. This is puncher. This is not a paper filing game.   There's got to be education   involved, and I don't and and I know the patriot movement. I've been in it a long time, Joseph. Okay? I know how the patriot movement is. Alright? And that's what I'm trying to avoid. I wouldn't That's that's the reason that is I wouldn't identify with that. I want people to have freaking skin in the game. Okay?   I'm giving you your freedom. At least follow-up and make it meaningful.  



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That's that's the whole purpose behind behind that. So like I told you the other day get to know me, you'll you'll learn that I like to clarify things. And and if there's not clarity, then, you know, we're we're we're trying to dance in muddy water together and trying to to find out who's who's taking the lead here.   And and when we're just talking over each other, it doesn't really matter. Well, you're over here asking questions and learning. That's what I want.  

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Roger? Correct.   Yes. Marika.  

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It's up to it's up to us   as a student   and a participant   learning   about our   national status living private to do the research and review it,   affidavit should say affidavit of citizenship status so that they know that this is what it is. Evidence.  

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For your example   Evidence.   Yeah. Evidence. Evidence.   Not status.   Evidence   has a really important   definition   and application.   Evidence.  

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I thought that's what I said. Affidavit of citizenship   evidence. That is. Okay. So evidence, that's how we have it titled,   affidavit of citizenship evidence.   And,   as for the notary part, I know that Padgett teaches   and has,   explained   the two witnesses.   I saw it on the notary notary of a soul   person, one person doing their own, but I don't know the legitimacy   and, you know, lawful legal,   you know, behind it. So,   it's up to us to do that research and,   see if it's legitimate   or something that's admissible in court. So for the court of record.  

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Yeah.   So I just wanted to give that a shout out. I I don't think you did anything wrong,   Joseph. And you could turn around, do another one on top of it, cancel, supersede   the earlier one, go get it at notarized. That's up to you. I think it'll work that way. What's really gonna matter is the one you send to the passport office.  

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K? May I?  

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Yes. Yes, ma'am.  

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I had a bank one time when I was trying to submit some documents to the bank,   adamantly   insist that I have two living   people,   individuals   sign instead of a notary   Yeah. When I had already had the document notarized.  

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Really?  

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Why? Did they give you a reason for that?  

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No. They would not they would not say it. They would not, come out and say it, but I had submitted everything. It had been notarized, and they were like, no. We're not gonna accept this until you have it,   witnessed by by two individuals.  

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Never heard of that before, but   I guess they thought they had a reason.  

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My other question in that regard and I I appreciate the comment. My other question is that can these two individuals be in the same family, or do they need to be separate sources? I don't think it makes any difference.   Okay. And I'm also curious   how you would define the difference between lawful and legal.  

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Well, lawful is,   man's law and, I mean, lawful is God's law and legal is man's law, basically.   I mean, you know, if you go to the,   silent weapons for   secret wars, I think the document's called. You've heard of that. Right?   Silent weapons for quiet wars. Yeah. That one. You you've heard of that, Joseph. Right?  

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Well, I just did.  

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Okay. But you're unfamiliar with it. Well, it's an important document. It was found   in a a copier that was sold out of the federal government as surplus or, you know, been out of out of its age or whatever, how they do that.   And in the copier when they bought it was this document,   and it's called Quiet Weapons for Silent Wars.   And,   it's   lays out everything. It's a CIA document, it appears.   And, at the bottom of one of the footnotes, it says, what we do   may not always be lawful,   but it will always be legal.   K?  

Waffle is more god and god's laws and and and,   when you know if you listen to Brent the other day, Brent is really good at breaking these down to simplistic   ways of looking at it. There's only two groups of laws.   We keep here and say, we're gonna get back to the rule of law, the rule which   which body of law are we talking about? They say they say they act like there's only one. Okay? Well, there's not. Roger. There's several. Please Dave, please.   Please.   There's several different   several different,   types of bodies of law, if you will,   but there's only two groups.  

One is the law of the city, which encompasses   the Roman code, which is our United USC. That's the Roman civil law.   The Judaic law, the the Muhammad law, all those are based on Babylon's,   merchant code where everything is reduced down to the form of contract.   And the only other body is nature, nature's god,   the law of the land. So there's only two groups of law. It's either law of the land or the law of the city. Okay?   So there's your difference too. I understand.   And as I said hold on. Just let me finish this important point. As I said yesterday or when we were talking about it, John Benson, my law teacher,   would get up there and say the battle we fight   is the battle that's been fought since the beginning of time.  

That's Lex Rex or Rex Lex   versus the common law. Same thing. Man's law versus God's law. That's the battle we're fighting right now. Okay? And that's the difference. Dave, what do you got?  

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Yeah, Roger. Just for clarification,   I know the author of Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars. He read the the government document   called the report from Iron Mountain,   and it pissed him off so much. This guy was a electrical engineer. He was a genius,   in in his own right, and he   lived in a warehouse,   you know, an apartment,   one room apartment in somebody's warehouse. They paid him to write   the   to rewrite that document   at a sixth grade level   so people could get it and figure it out. And he he called it silent weapons for quiet wars. Okay. He printed about they they had enough money to print about a thousand copies,   and he picked up a hitchhiker   one day after coming from the publisher.  

He had about 600 copies in the back of his car, and this kid was dressed in he was an air force kid all in in full dress,   and he was hitchhiking.   And he was three hours from any base.   And Hartford Van Dyke is the man that wrote that book. He pulled over, and he asked the kid, what's wrong?   And the kid said, I'm three hours from duty station, and I'm three hours late.   And he said, get in. I'll drive you.   And he told them all about this book. And when he got to the gate,   he reached in the back. He handed him a book. He watched the kid walk through the gate into the guard shack, and he turned around and he drove away.   Sometime later, he got a call from a buddy of his, and he said, Hartford, you better take ownership of your book because the government's claiming   that they wrote it, and it they printed it in a in a magazine, popular   Science or something.  

The guy who   a guy who worked for Boeing,   an executive, he bought the a copy machine from that air force base   at to fix his. And when he got it home and tore it apart, he found inside, jammed in it, was that pamphlet booklet called Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars. He read it. He turned white. He he called his buddy who was the editor of this magazine,  

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and he said, I can't have this. You need it. You need to publish it, and they did. And the rest is history. Okay. Well, I just mentioned it to say about the footnote, but now you know the whole background on it, I guess, there, Joseph.   So,   what   what else, what other questions can we help you with here   this morning?   Any?  

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I don't know. I'm gonna I'm gonna have to process that backstory for a minute.   Okay. Just I didn't bring I  

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It's an it's an important   the reason I brought the whole thing up is to illustrate your   your question about the difference in the two. So whatever.   Yes, Paul?  

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I would just like to comment seeing as we're killing a little bit of time in between questions,   and now you know  

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the rest of the story. Yeah. Sounds like a Paul Harvey episode. Yeah.   No. Page two.  

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Okay. Let's see. Hey, Robert. See hey, Bruce.  

[00:30:34] Unknown:

Yeah. You're talking about, you know, in the court and stuff like that.   And since we're nationals and they're not,   they have no right to prosecute any of us as a national. They can't go there. Well, they can. Be there. Well, they can if you got property damage or you did something stupid, they can.  

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Well On all the all the other stuff that don't spit on the sidewalk   stuff, they can't.   But there are legitimate what I'm saying.   There I understand. But I'm saying there are legitimate ways they can come after you. If you kill somebody, you have a car wreck, there's damage, any of that kind of stuff they can come after you. It's legitimate. So I I yeah. Don't make your statement so all encompassing.  

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Oh, okay. I'm just trying to get a situation in the court.   And what you what I would say to the court, address the court,   that I am the law here.   Oh. I'm not practicing law. I am the law here.   You can't come   with my law. You gotta stick with your own law, and it don't affect me whatsoever.  

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Okay.   Well, the object here around here is to keep people out of court, but our people always wanna put everybody in a freaking court setting in every instance for some reason.   But, Joseph, our object is to keep you out of there. K?   May may not be always able to do so, but   that's what the object Well, they  

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they could call the I guess, somebody in in government, and they don't let let us go free.   Don't detain. Don't detain.   You know? So that's one leg too.  

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Okay.  

[00:32:21] Unknown:

Do we have Roger, I have a question.   Do we have any experiences from anybody who's who was live on the call who could say any kind of experience that they've had with a law enforcement officer who has attempted to,   oh, I don't know, create some core some kind of issue with   non citizen alien, or is that not even coming out of our mouth? Are we saying national?  

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National is the word you wanna use except with the IRS.   And in IRS   context, you're a nonresident   alien. They just change the label. K?   But don't go mixing metaphors there and using it in other contexts.   I e,   when our new students get pulled over in California by the cop on the side of the road, he goes, I'm a nonresident alien.   Well, yes. You are as it applies to the tax code, but not anywhere else. And that cop's gonna look at you like you're from freaking Mars.   Yep.   Roger. Okay.   See what I'm talking about? This is why   I I try and insist on people learning the information,   getting these labels in these certain circumstances   correct   so you don't make a fool out of yourself and so you don't potentially   endanger what we're doing. I don't know how that would be, but   just represent things correctly. That's why I say you gotta get the education.  

That's why I'm against charging you to do this. Because if I charge you a $100 or a thousand dollars, you'll never go study, and then nothing changes.   K? The amount of funds from your bank account to mine changes, but nothing's gonna change in that situation.   And my goal for doing all this and the sacrifices   I've made personally,   which are legion,   okay,   are to affect change.   That's what I want here.   That's why I approach this the way I do,   take the painstaking   details the way we do,   and to make sure that this is something that has the potential to affect change. Without it, there's nothing but people sending it in paper.   K?  



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Roger?  

[00:34:42] Unknown:

Yes. Larry.  

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Yeah. I disagree with Bruce. I think if you went into a court and you're in a courtroom setting   and you say, I am the law here, they're gonna label you as a nut job   and,   maybe even find you in contempt of court. I think what you need to do, the proper   procedure,   is to challenge jurisdiction   right up front   in practically   every   rule rules of civil procedure, whether it's civil or criminal   in every state, including the federal rules of civil or criminal procedure.   You have to challenge jurisdiction   whether   especially if it's the if it's personal jurisdiction, but whether it's,   subject matter or personal right at the beginning   of the case before you file your answer.  

Or if you do file an answer, it has to be in the answer,   has to be in the initial pleading. Otherwise, you waive your right to challenge jurisdiction,   you know, in the future.  

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Ugh. Like like I said, Joseph, everybody wants to take this to court.   K? It it's always just court. Court. Court. Court. We try and do our best to keep you out of court. K?   Arr.   Hey. Well, there's more to say, Marvin. In everybody's  

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defense who's talking about   in everybody's defense who's talking about court, I think what we're doing is we're preparing the mind for being able to apply this in every situation.   Uh-uh. I understand totally what you're saying. However,   I just   I think that this is how we learn, and that's what we're doing. We're just preparing here, and that's what we're on the call for. I know. I I know that, but it but all these but nobody hardly ends up in court.  

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K?   Mark is here. He's our paralegal. I don't believe you've met Mark yet. He's got a lot of other things going on in his life. Hey, Mark. We're sitting here talking to a new student, Joseph. How you doing this morning? How things at home?  

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Doing alright. Hanging in there. Just,   it is what it is. Right. So I've I've I've jumped on, I don't know, about five minutes after, ten minutes after   that you guys got started. And and so listening to the conversation,  

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about the last comment about Wait. Before you say that, I forgot to push a button. Give me one second. The recording has started.   Okay. I wanna make sure not to miss anything you say. There you go.  

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Okay.  

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That's  

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So the last comment was about   challenging jurisdiction.   What most people don't know is   if you step into a courtroom   and make   your appearance   either in person   or in writing,   you've waived your right to challenge jurisdictions. So there's   this process   of and   this actually was my last   the last appellate win that my research and writing was successful on was   had to do with jurisdiction.   And the attorney, now I come in after the fact, but   the initial attorney   kept putting in all of his documents,   you   know, here comes the defendant   under special   appearance   only   and not granting general jurisdiction.  

So it's right up front in their face on paper and in person. So if the attorney showed up in person,   before he spoke, he'd say, you know,   the the defendant's here under special appearance only.   So from that from that standpoint now, you can make all kinds of challenges to jurisdiction.   And the other part about staying out of court, I cannot   stress enough   how you wanna stay out of court as much as possible.   And then, you know, we've got people with all these theories, especially when it comes to travel.   And,   you know, my point is, is if you just you just got an itch to be in court,   then lay out all your facts, lay out all your your,   law,   your supporting law, and you can file what's called a petition   for declaratory judgment.  

It's not for any money. You're just asking the court to make a   determination   if you understand the law right or or not.   Am I right or am I not right?   And then, of course, you typically would serve either your   county district attorney and or   your state's attorney general.   And then, again, it depends on   you know, if you're going up against an agency and you want a determination   made by court,   you can do that   at your county level without being in trouble,   without facing jail time, fines,   fees, any of that.  

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You can you can try it as a petition for declaratory judgment. Yeah, Roger. If the court came back and ruled against our position, you could appeal that, couldn't you?  

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You could appeal it, but you wanna really be careful. And this is what I've learned from Larry Beecraff, and I and I I never they never taught me this in law school,   was   a lot of patriots were appealing, and they were setting bad case law. Oh, yeah. We don't want you to do that. Because   no. No. So   before you appeal actually, before you ever file,   like, a petition for declaratory judgment,   you better know you have a really good chance of winning.   And I'll tell you what, we got some really powerful tools to help you figure that out before you ever step foot in the courtroom.   And and people aren't gonna like to hear this, but that's artificial intelligence, AI.  



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That that was my question.   My question was, if you do that and you don't have all your i's dotted and your t's crossed, it could go bad for you. And even though even though you're not setting precedent at the appellate level, you're setting a history with that judge and with that county with that court.  

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You do set a precedent at the appellate level. It's at the district court, lower court level. There's no precedent set   because that those issues have always got to be allowed to be viscous. They've always got to be allowed to be changeable.   It's when we get up to the appellate level   over a territory that that court oversees   that from that point forward would be considered binding precedent.   Anytime those issues were brought up in that circuit or whatever, then they defer back to that earlier,   decision, and that's case law. Okay?  

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So that's the way that works. Yeah. That's  

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Well, what I was trying to say happen, Paul?   What I was trying to say is  

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is why oh, why don't you talk? You're both Let me finish  

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my finish my thought.   What I'm trying to say is if you actually ask a court for a declaratory   judgment in a county,   you know, at your at your local county courthouse,   you've actually started the wheels in motion for   that,   declaratory   judgment if it goes against you to be persuasive.   It may not be,   it may not be precedent, but it can be persuasive.  

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Any any lower level court decision can be persuasive.   But if you got this, I that would be interesting because we got so many facts on this,   Mark, that I don't think anybody could rule against it.   But regardless, it is interesting.   Allen was on here the other day. He's been doing a lot of legal stuff trying to sue some states.   And he went back and looked to see if National had been brought up in any court trial.   It's never been brought up in any court trial.   There never been a court case   decision on it, maybe a better way to put it. Yeah. Anyway not directly.  

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Yeah. You're you're you're probably not gonna find a direct   issue or,   or a legal challenge to that term,   to that status.  

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The closest would be the American Samoans challenges. There have been two of those,   But the Supreme Court won't hear it because if they did,   it would blow the lid off the whole scam.  

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Yeah. But but, Paul is right. It it does,   doesn't set precedent.   But what do you call that, Paul? I believe it's possible. Persuasive. Persuasive. Thank   you. So yes, you're correct.   If you have a lower   court or court in another   county or even potentially a state,   you can say, Yeah, this doesn't have precedent,   but we can use it to, you know, persuade the court to see something in   our, you know, in our favor. Yep. And you'll see that lots of times, you know, especially if it's some kind of new novel argument that hasn't been challenged before.   You'll see where like, well, you know, Oklahoma law,   there's nothing that says this. There's never been a case decision,   you know,   affecting this type of facts and so forth, the situation.  

But over here in this other state,   they had a similar situation and here's what that court found and here's why they found it.   You can bring that in   as persuasive   argument, and Paul's exactly right on that. Yep.  

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So,   so we got your head swimming.   Joseph, yeah, you got any other questions?  

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And and by the way, Roger Yeah. One of the easiest ways to remember your affidavit is I like the,   ace, ace up the sleeve.   Ace is the affidavit   of citizenship   evidence.   ACE affidavit   of citizenship  

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evidence. And we got that language Joseph from inside the state department. So that's what the state department labels,   what we're doing, citizenship   evidence.   And so I like using any of their terms   that we can use because using their terms,   now we can apply their definitions   to what we're wanting to accomplish.   And it's the key to the matrix. So using their words with their definitions   is the way to get out of this.   Roger.   Larry.  

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Yeah. I just wanna respond to, to Mark's comment.   Federal courts do not use or recognize the concept of a special appearance   as distinct from a general appearance because   federal rule of civil procedure 12 b   abolished   this distinction, allowing defendants   to challenge jurisdiction or other defenses via a pre answer motion   to dismiss without waiving their right to contest the case.   Instead of a special appearance, a defendant in federal court   raises a jurisdictional   objection   by filing a motion under rule 12 b two   to dismiss for lack of personal jurisdiction.  



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Yeah. That's federal.   Yeah. What what I said was state.  

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The last few Some states recognize   special   appearance  

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too. Well, you know, your mileage may vary from court to court. They have different court rules and different procedures. So, you know, do your homework and but more importantly, stay out of court. Please. For your  

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help. Stay out of court. We're trying to help you, folks.  

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And and, honestly,   the the only really sticky wicket in this whole deal is the whole right to travel   argument.  

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Yep.  

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And so that's what usually wrangles people in the port situations is is traffic tickets.  

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Yeah. And they vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction on how people view them and what we have.  

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Yeah. It's inconsistent.   You know, we've got some people that   they get pulled over and act very confident of what they're doing, and they they don't look like a bum that just crawled out of a a gutter somewhere.   And they're professional, and they have the right confident level. And the policeman gets nervous, and   they'll like, we had, one person, they ran their passport and come back and said you can go.   And they were kind of nervous about it. You know? So, and then we got others that they, you know,   they can't say anything,   that the police is going to agree with and they're just going to get a ticket. So it's totally inconsistent.  

I don't even like to talk about it.   I found a case   that pretty much it was   Hendrick versus Maryland   from the US Supreme Court in 1915   and it said the states have a right   to   regulate   travel   whether you're a resident or not a resident.   Whether you're acting in commerce or not in commerce,   the states have a right to regulate that.   Now if somebody can overcome that,   you know, be my guest.   But that's that's Hendrick, h e n d r I c k,   versus Maryland from 1915,   and it's a US Supreme Court case.   So look that thing over for all all you you know, I'm I was in the same boat.   I got a right to travel and they shouldn't bother me and da da da da. Well, as I've gotten older and wiser,   I realized, especially with all the illegal immigrants coming in, we just saw a big   issue with that with the the truck driver who couldn't speak English in Florida   Yeah. Does a u-turn Yeah. And kills three people because they ran under his trailer.  

Yeah.   Total illegal turn.   So, you know, as as I've gotten wiser and smarter in my old age, you know, I realized, you know what?   You got people out here traveling on the road that affects your   safety.   Your safety.   Oh, yeah. And and you might be the safest driver in the road on the road. I get it.   But nobody else knows that. So one way they regulate this is to make sure that you can drive through licensing and insurance.   I hate it. I wish we didn't have to do all that.   But,   you know, the states, according to what I read from the Supreme Court,   Hendrick versus Maryland   1915,   Sketch put the link in the   in the chat box. I believe I also posted on,   to Radio Ranch, Chitango.  

But the states have a right to regulate that. And again, whether you're a resident or not, and it says that,   whether you're a resident or other,   whether you're in commerce or not.   Now I think that covers all of our positions that we're talking about.   So anyway, I'm not hating on anybody. I'm just saying   if if you still are in that fight for the right to travel,   please go read that case and then see if you can find   a newer case that overcomes that. Yes. That's what you wanna do. Can, I would love to hear it, but I don't think you're gonna find it? I have a a little bit of of things. Well, hold on. I would need to pick on that too.  

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1915   was before the bankruptcy and the federalism when the states were still autonomous   and not necessarily   government subdivisions,   political subdivisions.   So it was, after you know who came up with the interstate system, Mark?   You know whose idea that was?   Al Gore's daddy.   Al Gore's daddy. Really?   Yes. So now their federal are taken care, and they send you the funds. And the state, I guess, bills the   bills the and constructs the highways.   But now you've got a real the interstate. Ship of them giving you money, if I received the benefit I owe the dude.   Now you've got a little different picture after that,   and I wonder the effect of that on the that 1915   ruling.  

So just an interesting thought that came to me while you were talking about it.  

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Let's see. Who was, You could probably if you had access if if you had access to Westlaw or LexisNexis,   you could probably run Hendrick versus Maryland and see if there's any cases that have overturned that or and and the other thing too,   realize it's not always a complete overturn of a decision.   It could be partially overturned. There could be   factors   inside the case. Yeah. Issues inside the case   that may have been raised in another,   case   and they've overcome it. But I'm gonna tell you what.   Pretty hard to find a US Supreme Court case   that's gonna overturn itself.  

Yep. So when it comes from the US Supreme Court,   you you're gonna have to dig through other US Supreme Court decisions   to find something that's gonna overcome that. That's called shepardizing.  

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Who was trying to say something? Get in there and I stepped on you. That was Larry. I think it was Larry?  

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No. It's Joseph here. Oh, Joseph. Okay. Sorry.   So a couple of things.   I know shuttle Shuttlesworth   versus Birmingham   and then,   Thompson,   are two case laws that have some some validity here. But my question is,   to the gentleman who studied law   is, what tools can we use with the clerk of court who's the actual court?   My understanding is,   court   is actually with the clerk. It's not about going before the judge, and I think making that distinction is really important. That is not true. I don't know where you're getting that information.  

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Okay. Court clerk is an administrative   position,   and they administrate these cases   by putting   paperwork and controlling documents and evidence and so forth,   right?   They're not the one making the decisions.   The judge, you know, nothing really occurs,   there's no   final outcome of the case until the judge enters an order   and   in Oklahoma they call it journal entry   of judgment.   And the judge has to sign off on that document. And guess what? That doesn't even count until it's filed into the court record.   So the court clerk is not the court.   I don't understand where people believe that.  

It's probably from somebody else, you know, promoting that theory.   But Well, I'm sure the court clerk is not  

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This is,   another example So my direct question about   just a couple of days earlier, I was talking about baggage from the patriot community. That's a good example. Go ahead.  

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Yeah.  

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No, sir. These are questions just simply trying to do the exact same thing that we're all trying to do. We're trying to win. I know. But you We're trying to make sure that we keep our nose clean. You you And so my question is Joseph, you made an affirmative statement. Use to keep out of court. You made an affirmative  

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statement. It wasn't just thrown up there. You said the clerk of the court runs the court. That's what you told us.   That was an affirmative statement on your part. Please don't just rationalize   it and kick it to the side. I'm trying to teach you, and and people have a hard time. You know, here's the Mark Twain quote. It's easier to fool a man than tell him he's been fooled.  

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Go ahead. No. That's incorrect. I said, my understanding   and my question is for the guy who knows more than me. Alright.   Go ahead. In a state of learning as a beginner   Yes.   I have questions.  

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Okay. Well, we wanna address your questions.  

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Yeah. Let me explain this.   And and and, Joseph, we have this all the time. I have people that email me questions all the time,   and they're they're bringing up patriot, I call it mythology, patriot mythology   that they've learned from Anabond Reitz,   David Strait, and all these other gurus out there that charge thousands of dollars   for their information   and they want me to debunk it. Well, you know what?   I'm not it's not up to me to debunk what they're doing.   It's up to you to find out what the truth is.   And instead of trying to challenge Roger's information   and our group's information here, I would say study it, go out   to nationalstatus.info,   go through their academy.  

And I think you'll see that it's backed up by law.   You don't have a bunch of patriot mythology,   but the problem is, and   I understand because   I've been in the same position starting out in 1999   when I got introduced to Dan Meador. I thought these people know more than I do, and I trusted   that they knew what they were talking about.   And even though they had areas of law that they were experts at, no doubt, I mean Dan knew IRS code inside and out   and same with Ralph Winter Road.   But there were other areas that, you know, they were still learning   and challenging things. And, you know, even even,   Dan Meader thought or thought we were under Admiralty law because   people who we thought and had trusted,   we thought that they knew what they were talking about and they didn't.  

So,   you know, with that in mind,   instead of just barraging us with these,   you know, your understanding from other people,   I would say go to nationalstatus.com   or .info, either one will take you to the same place   and and go under the Learning Center. Across the top there's a heading, there's a Learning Center   and if you scroll down that drop down menu there's actually a Academy, National Status Academy,   and it will take you from point A to point Z   step by step by step.   It gives you little simple pop up quizzes to see if you understand the information.   And if you don't pass that, then you've got to go back and restudy that and take it again. So it really kind of makes you think. And then the other one,   again, if you go to nationalstatus.info   or .com, either one,   go to their search box   and type in handbook,   one word, handbook,   and you'll find Devon's,   what's it, a   national citizenship   handbook,   A National Citizenship   Handbook   that's about 70 pages long   and Devin did an amazing job   of laying this out   in an easy to understand fashion. And as you read through that,   I think several light bulbs will start coming on.  

I hear you.  

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Yeah. No. We don't wanna stifle you in any way.   Joseph, I wanna address your question. So if you you got some   more?  

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Well and and here's the other thing I would say, Roger, is try to make it about the citizenship   citizenship   status.   Oh, I'm slower in my words, and it's not at 05:00.  

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I do.  

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I yeah. Right.  

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Well, I try on you then. Try to ask questions about our materials   instead of bringing up stuff that other people have done.   And,  

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yeah.  

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Well, just to retort, it it was a pertinent question. You know? I got I got you I don't I don't really have a whole bunch of friends who are who are going through law.   However, I do have a little experience in the court, but I didn't say that I brought this specific part. And I Okay. And I definitely didn't win with it. So the question was from a place of   you know, I heard somebody who wasn't in the patriot movement say it, by the way,   and I don't even know what that means. We're all trying to do the same thing. Right? We're actually   really on the same team.  

And so Yes. I'm just simply asking questions. And so I don't have a bias, and I would ask all of you to not have a bias against me for asking simple questions. Okay. Well, we don't mind. Simple answers. You know? And and if we're trying to stay out of court,   my question is simply is,   is there simple tools to use to try to keep out of court? I did hear   that it was possible to just simply stay out of court because we're just sending the correct kind of paperwork to the clerk of court,   and maybe that's not the case.  

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No. That's called an administrative   procedural approach, and people use it. Yeah. It's worked for some, and that is part of what we would suggest that you do utilize   should you get into that condition in a traffic situation.   It could be used in others too, but that's the specific  

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application. What, Mark? And that's Mark's specialty is administrative,   the administrative process. Yes.   So if you're looking at that kind of resolution,   I would really   strongly recommend you connect with her and see.   And we're not trying to put you down, but we're really not here to rebut   a bunch of,   I call them patriots or truth seekers or   other people out there who claim to know something   about this whole, you know, trying to get free of the federal government.   And that's what we're trying to do is get free   of the   the overreach   of of primarily the federal government   and the federal government's taken over The United States Of America of the 50 states and other territories.  

So the states as we know them are are not really   independent they're basically enclaves,   territories of The United States and we're trying to get free from that system   and the big biggest thing that most people have a problem with   and I agree with it, is the taxation. I mean,   who   has a right to tax your labor? That is, that's involuntary   servitude except for one thing.   We have volunteered into this system. Yep. We volunteered into this federal system as a US citizen,   and you can get out with a one page affidavit   that Roger has put together, and it's brilliant.  

It's simple. It could even be reduced down to one sentence if you wanted to,   And that's the affidavit of citizenship evidence.   That's it's just amazing, you know, amazing thing that you can mail in two pieces of paper, one cover letter,   and one affidavit   and you can change your whole status.   And they can't do anything about it. No. Because guess what?   If they say you have to be a US citizen,   they're violating the thirteenth amendment against involuntary   servitude.   And every time we've had any agency push back   on whether a person's a national or not,   we've come back with just that argument   that if you're saying I have no choice but to be a US citizen and not a national,   then it would appear   you're in violation of the thirteenth amendment against involuntary   servitude. And then in,   parentheses,   I put   slavery.  

And every time we've done that in a response where the argument is about whether you're a US citizen or not, we have one.  

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The,   we get bluff letters from them occasionally, Joseph Oh, yeah. Over the last, I don't know, eight or ten years, the passport office,   they all start off with the same first paragraph,   and everybody that's ever responded to one always got their documents.   K? Yeah. So what we're here And there's a few Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just a second. One other statement. I'll Okay. Let me leave you one other statement. Go ahead. Joseph, you know, you  

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you appear to have an interest in law,   and that's admirable.   And, you know, I went through professional training as a as a paralegal   to learn law.   And there's three classes that I tell everybody they should take.   I really wish they would teach us at a high school level. It would save a lot of young adults and older adults a lot of pain and trouble.   But   if you would take Intro to Law,   Legal Research and Writing,   and Court Rules and Civil Procedures.   You would take those classes, just those three.   And a lot of junior colleges   offer those.  

You can even find some online.   I found   some online.   Still not the cheapest thing, but they're out there if you hunt for them. But if you take those three classes,   you will be so far ahead of the game, it's not even fun.   You'll understand a lot. I'm surprised Larry hasn't had as much as Larry,   talks about law, I'm surprised Larry hasn't had some formal training, but   I would really if I and I I love it that you're asking questions.   Unfortunately,   they're   they're from,   another area   where   people have, you know, said   and I call it Patriot Mythology like the gold French flag.  

You've probably heard of that. That's Patriot Mythology. That doesn't mean Amalty law.   My big one is the all capital letters doesn't give them jurisdiction over your personum, your personal body.   Now there's some other things that the all cap name might involve and we're looking into that. But   but when it comes to,   well, my name spelled in all capital letters means yada yada yada,   well, it doesn't give them jurisdiction.   That's not what jurisdiction is about.   And,   so anyway, I would just I would just recommend that you look into that   and  

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and try to take a class. I would start with intro to law and see if you like it. I yield. I'll tell you what is something else learning law like that? And I did the same thing. I went through paralegal school and got into this stuff. I got into this stuff before and then went through paralegal school. I've never practiced   like Mark has. But, boy, I'll tell you what, it makes you powerful in life.   And I learned that firsthand in Argentina   when I got into that accident down there where there were fatalities.   And it was me and a attorney who could speak English,   that,   he was amazed at how much I could help him in that situation.  

Anyway, it comes in in handy in life.   Paul Larry was trying to say something,   but he was in lines. I don't know how to handle it. You is yours pertinent to this conversation  

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or what? Well, yeah, it's just a quick comment,   related to this conversation. Earlier, Mirka   had mentioned, and and I'm not not jumping on Mirka or calling her out or anything like that. She said that that that   people have a lack of study,   but   it's probably   more so   not a lack of study, but a lack of credible sources   until   Oh, yeah. They got here.   Okay?   People have been studying this stuff for over a decade,   but   they've been going down rabbit holes   that led to a big nothing burger.   So   we're not saying that you didn't study and we're not saying that you don't know your stuff.   We're saying that it ain't what I   don't know that's killing me. It's what I know that just isn't so.  

And that was on my end. Yeah. That's a your answering twine deal. On this topic.  

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Okay. Go ahead, Mark.   I'll get you in a minute, Mark. Wanted to mention  

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I just wanted to mention,   when Bruce came on   earlier   to mention that we are the law,   we are   the we are the authority now because we are under a natural law,   and the public servants are   need to change their tone of, you know, how they're rep you know, how they're approaching us.   So, you know, what he meant is what we are the authority   in that court.   And   I'm not how,   Bruce handles things and how what he how he goes about it, and he's been in court.   He does it under natural law and common law.   So that's what he meant by that. Okay. That's my understanding   of of us being under natural law. We are the authority, and even Bill Thornton goes into that.  



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K. Thank you, Larry. That as an example.  

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Yeah.   So I've given the key to Joseph to stay out of court.   It's in   federal rule   procedures 12 b two,   and you file a motion to dismiss for lack of personal jurisdiction.   You attach a copy of your affidavit. If there's some type of federal law   that says   it's illegal to spit or it's illegal for a US citizen to spit on the sidewalk,   that's what you do. That's how you stay out of court.   And then the other thing I have is, a little while ago, Mark was talking about,   he used the word territory.   Can he go over that again? Like, what what was that pertaining to?  

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Well, you know, you we've got territories like,   Puerto Rico,   Slang's Islands, Mariana Islands,   and so forth. Those are territories. They're not states.   They they   they have representatives that come to Washington, DC,   but they can't vote. They don't have any voting rights.   So we have we have territories.   The or I should say The US has territories.   That make sense? It has a bunch of them too. You're right. The desert. Larry, are you familiar? Explain it better than I could. Are you familiar with The US Virgin Islands?  

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Uh-huh. One of my instructors, Gary,   I came from Jerry Bryant. He said, have you ever heard of the Guano Islands?   That's a US territory, the Guano Islands, Larry.   You ever heard of them?  

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Right. I I know what the territories are, but he he used that word to explain something, and I forgot what he was   applying into.  

[01:09:57] Unknown:

Oh,   control of the the federal government, the US government,   having control over those territories and states and so forth.  

[01:10:08] Unknown:

Alright. What are the states? You're calling the territories   states  

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or the states territories. Well, you can call them. The 50. Yeah. You can. You can. But generally speaking, when we talk about states,   plural,   we're talking about the 50 states that are united to make up an America.   Right? It's like a union of states   that have that have been made up prior to the civil war   that were then known as United States Of America.   That's when what what I'm referring to when I say states. And the US   federal government, not The United States Of America,   this, for lack of better term, some type of, I don't know what you call United States,   but   some people think they're a corporation, and I don't know that they're actually wrong about that. But the Colonizers,  

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Mark. Colonizers.  

[01:11:04] Unknown:

There you go. So The United States,   basically overthrew   the other states,   all the states, through the Civil War, and then they started Reconstruction   Acts.   And now the federal government has their fingers   in every   independent   sovereign state   until they basically control them.   And it's pretty, pretty shocking as you,   you know, once you have that thought in your mind and you start looking at law and court orders and court decisions and so forth, Or as my friend Joe in Oklahoma would say, and rightfully so, it's a court opinion.   It's their legal opinion.  

And and and so, you know, you see these legal opinions, these these,   appellate   opinions,   and you start realizing,   man, the   the the federal government through the distribution   of money   basically controls   all these states. Yep.  

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They control everything. They that mechanism right there.  

[01:12:07] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. And the other thing too I'd like to address, a lot of people think, well,   if if I'm a   if I'm a national,   and a good example, I think, was it Roger you just said if you spit on the sidewalk,   and it says a US citizen would be in violation if you spit on the sidewalk.  

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That's easy.  

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I'm not a good  

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Idiot. The the hell, I can't think of the word, the ridiculous level that that man made laws have gone to. Now you can see the practicality of it, I guess, back 100   ago. But, yeah, that's an example of spitting on the sidewalk.  

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Right. Right. So here's the thing though. There that's not all that's that's hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold every law, every federal law just because you're national doesn't apply to you. You can't say that. A good example of that is   in the tax code   26   CFR 1.1-one   in that first paragraph,   it says that non resident aliens are mostly exempt except   sections eight seventy one b as in bravo and eight seventy seven b as in bravo.  

So   even if you're a national, that applies to you if you're receiving funds directly from a US Government source   or you got a pension from the railroad that has back when the railroads got started, they had all kinds of special agreements with the government.   They were really, you know, the government was almost like a partner with them. But   even if you're a   national   and you've got funds, you're getting paid income directly from a federal agency or the US government,   right? That's taxable.   But none of your other funds are. So you can't just make a blanket statement saying, well, none of the federal laws apply to me because I'm a national.   That doesn't that's not true.  



[01:14:18] Unknown:

It's almost true. It's almost true. It's real close. It's almost. Yep. But those two little sections of the internal revenue code that Mark just cited to you, Joseph,   are the only two regulations   that from here henceforth   you will be responsible   for.   There are no other regulations in the entire   it's   code of federal regulations,   50 titles   that will apply to you. K?  

[01:14:48] Unknown:

I didn't hear those. Could could they be repeated, please? Sure. Title 26.  

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Title 26. That's all the IRS tax code.   CFR,   Code of Federal Regulations.   Title 26   CFR   one Dot1Dash   one.   And I think it's the c's, parenthesis,  

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small  

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Yeah. Yeah. I got that one. What was the other one?  

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That's that no. That's Well, inside of that first paragraph Right.  

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Inside that paragraph, you'll see where it refers to that,   non resident aliens are mostly exempt.   Right? And I'm paraphrasing it's not that exact wording.   But but except   eight sections eight seventy seven   excuse me eight seventy one   B as in Bravo   that's in parentheses   lowercase b I believe   and then eight seventy seven   in parentheses lowercase b. Those two sections   if you're a nonresident alien, in our case as a national   in respect to the IRS, we're seen as a nonresident alien.   But if you have funds that come out of those two sections,   then it it's taxable to you,   even as a national.  

Now when you look at that, it's gonna if you go look at eight seventy one b and eight seventy seven b, eight seventy one b   is the primary one. Eight seventy seven b has to do with expatriation.   Okay. We're not really talking about that. But if you look at eight seventy one b,   everything it talks about and when you see when you capture this this wording,   you're going to see it everywhere.   And it's within   The United   States. Sources   within The United States.   And you'll start seeing that all over the place.   Now as a national,   you're outside   of The United States. You're without   The United States. Right? But if you have income coming from a federal agency or one of these sources that is quote within The United States, that's taxable.  

And only that amount is taxable. So like we have some people that,   they get government funding.   We've got some farmers   that get, you know, aid from USDA and some other agencies that help them be able to farm and   they make a profit from their farm.   Well, as a national,   the profit that they make from their farm   is not taxable,   but the money that comes in from the USDA   is  

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taxable.  

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So Taxation is pretty complex,   Joseph.   Hey, Roger.   Well, there's Gary. Hey, Gary.   Morning.  

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Hi, Jerome.   I wanna reiterate something that Mark spoke of a little bit ago,   and that is everything   hear me. Everything is by contract.   Every dime your state receives   from the federal government,   there's a contract behind it.   And Mark knows this   because he he's in possession of some of the contracts. He didn't know they may be a few years old.   Yeah. But it doesn't matter what it is.   They're all under contract. To get that federal money,   your state's gotta sign a contract with the federal government.  

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Yep.  

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You know? And people don't understand that. And and if there's  

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a exchange of money, like, from them to the state, then the state owes them the duty of following   their prescribed ways of dealing with that money and how it's dispensed,   etcetera.   So it all Exactly. Back. Yep. Joseph, one of the resources here that we   suggest you familiarize yourself with this is what we call the uniform commercial code. It's also called the law merchant,   and it's also called the the Babylonian   merchant code. The Bible constantly refers to the merchants   of the earth. They've been using this for thousands of years since its origin in Babylon. It actually   originated it in the Sumerians   or even before them in rudimentary   form, but it was   polished and put together   in Babylon.  

And there's a book. It's on our website.   It's called Historical Jurisprudence,   100 years old out of John Hopkins. It's a history of jurisprudence.   The first 90 pages   deal with the Babylonian   merchant code. It's very easy read.   You'll have a better foundation   on what's governing us than most of the people in the country should you read it. It starts out with this sentence.   Babylon's   great contribution to the world   was reducing everything in the society   down to the abstract   form   of contract.   K?   So this   I prefer to teach   people, new or old, to get you totally grounded   on concepts and areas.  

Most people have no idea   what the UCC is, its origins, or how it applies,   etcetera.   You you it's what's being used against us.   You you need to familiarize yourself with it at least. The feudal system. If you don't know anything about the feudal system as most people don't, it takes a lot it doesn't take a whole lot of study, but just familiarize yourself with the feudal system because that's another big moving part.   How we interface with the government and how they've tricked us into this and how it latches us on is object to property rights of the International Monetary Fund through the federal government. You need to understand that. You need to know how government works.   You know? So, anyway, that's who the way I teach this, especially to new people. And now I know that you've got a proper solid foundation,   and you know the basics. And as Brent Winter says,   when someone knows the basics and the foundations,   anything is easy. And this is easy.  

It's just they've complicated it with either things they've changed,   they've relabeled,   or shit they've never taught us, period, in law school for the most part.   And that's where my success comes in. This is not   something that Roger did.   Between me and my two teachers, one now one now deceased, we got over a hundred years of legal and historical research here.   And it's all been proven correct   because in the process we've developed   has never failed one time with the biggest, baddest sonbitches   that have ever walked the face of the earth.   Just like David and Goliath There you go. Right here. Okay? Just David and Goliath, really what it is.  



[01:22:06] Unknown:

Yes, Gary? Yes, sir. I just wanna interject before we get to that next person who wanted to speak. I just wanna say my confession is this. I'm I'm taking a look at nationalstatus.info,  

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and it's a wealth of tools that I did not see. And I will be spending more time here. Okay. Which one of our students said put that together? I didn't ask him to do it. We didn't pay him to do it. They felt like my duty here on this show. They that transferred to them, and they took all it's actually Kaye's wife did all the web work and stuff,   and the design that they did that together. Merica, well, early on said, well, I wanna be involved. What can I do? I said, well, we don't have a Telegram channel. Start a Telegram channel. That's where that came from. Devin's citizenship handbook.   He he just got it on himself to write that out. That's kind of what he does for a living, and he was able to put all that together.  

So, it's it's people's   contribution   and me   preaching and teaching   that we are, at least in my vision, a team here.   Okay? And they're team players, and they contributed and hit a hit a grand slam home run with every one of them. So, that's what we got here. Joseph is,   we're family.   Really wanna put it that we're family. And you'll find that once you really learn this and internalize it and especially become free,   that you we're a real source of strength for you.   Because it's other people that have been touched by this information and have have been so touched that they acted on it.   And now we're all   free.  

So that's his welcome to the family.  

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Okay. Hey, Robert.  

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Gary is one of the family that's been around here for a hell of a long time. He lives out in Flathead County, Montana now, and him and his lovely wife, Gina, until he got sick, had a weekly meeting up there with over 50 people per week going through this process.   Biggest group in the country. Go ahead, Gary.  

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Well,   this gentleman needs to read the two pages of court cases   and conceptualize   what a US citizen's really bound to.   That's one of the most critical things you can do is read those two pages. And if you haven't done it   and if you haven't done   it recently, then you need to go back and read them. Those are to be a weekly read for everybody on this call. Period. They're they're on the website,  

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Joseph.   So,  

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Where on the website?  

[01:24:48] Unknown:

Paul, where is that on the website? There's two cases of, two pages of court cases.  

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Oh,   right down in the downloadable section On the main page, scroll down   to downloads. K. Right there. And,  

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yeah.  

[01:25:05] Unknown:

Yeah. The webs the website, the matrixdots.com,   you kinda have to read through it line by line and scroll down the page until you find downloads.   Yeah. Here's the download section.   I'm not sure exactly what that is   titled. But under download,   you will find also the citizenship handbook for nationals.   We need to change the title to that,   whatever that document is, because I I really had to work hard to determine which one it was that Gary's referencing.  

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But, anyway Yeah. It's just the two pages. Yeah. Probably. I don't know what the label is, but that's on there. There's a bunch of information on there.   We're not as organized or probably,   as we'd like to be. We're trying to work on that, but it's very difficult. All of us   have different things on our lives. It's just hard to herd cats, which is kinda what is happening.  

[01:26:08] Unknown:

Oh, here it is. Here it is. I found it. Okay. I found it.   It's called US citizens Roger?  

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Listen, Dave.  

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It's called US citizens are property.   US national state citizens are not dot pdf.   And if you'll here's and this is what makes it stand out. Right below it is a sentence that says, a compendium   of court cases proving   there are two statuses,   citizens and nationals.  

[01:26:39] Unknown:

Oh, yeah.   It's replete in all the old cases.  

[01:26:44] Unknown:

Yep.  

[01:26:46] Unknown:

Thank you, Gary. I I I forget. I need to go through this as well,   but it has,   case sites. It shows you the case, and then it gives you the case site.   And and it is excellent. And we need to be reminded of this every so often. I would also I've been thinking about this for a while, and then we'll we'll go to Dave.   I thought it'd be cool if if we drew up,   like, some flashcards   that people could sit down and flip through, you know, have some questions,   and that would be maybe posed to them and   see what they would answer. What would be a good proper answer?   And then that way people would kind of get used to,   if they're ever challenged on a particular   issue revolving the national status,   they would have a a good comeback, a good,   grounded and   back based response to that. So I yield.  



[01:27:43] Unknown:

Yep. And I just wanna take a moment to say how grateful I am for all of you who have dedicated your time and efforts to helping everybody who's new to this information, including myself. And I just wanna also   specifically and especially thank Mirka for the time that she's given to me.   And I know I can be difficult,   so I just wanna say thank you to everybody.  

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That's a nice admission.   Well, you're welcome,   Joseph. We're here for people like you. The reason for that is because I think I told you the other day, my teacher, John w Benson, would say from the stage,   the only way I can protect my liberty,   Joseph, is to help you protect yours.   And most people don't even know what it is, which means we gotta go back through all of this time that it takes to try and get you properly adjusted with the foundations   and perspective   so you can be free.   See, as I've said, your the the degree of freedom, whatever it is that you personally aspire to starting off on this, is gonna be directly correlated   with your command of this information.  

The reason for that   is because you're only as free as you're able to defend yourself if you're challenged.   And on the opposite hand, do exactly what I'm doing with you is extend the circle by saying the only way I, Joseph, can protect my liberty is to go find somebody else out there and teach them this. And that is like,   that exponential growth when we get as many people that we've got and have gathered over the years.   You know, it's the old everybody get to.   I mean, we go bowl them over. And what and what's the object here? Well, not over to let let them know that we know who they are, what the scam is, what we were, how to get out of it that they can't question.   Okay?  

They can't even snivel at it   for fear of other people learning about it, and we get a group of numbers of people. And it's through some assertion,   either   common law courts with teeth,   but especially   pulling yourself out of the IRS system.   That's where we can really do damage immediately   and, especially in the situation the world economy is in. So that's the whole basis of what we do.   The only way I can protect my liberty, Joseph, is to help you protect yours.  

[01:30:15] Unknown:

Roger?  

[01:30:17] Unknown:

Yes, Larry. We have ignored you. You were getting in a few minutes ago. I'm sorry. Go ahead.  

[01:30:22] Unknown:

That's alright.   So, Mark brought up,   The United States before,   and,   he was saying about being taxed   on income from within and without.   And one of the things I've learned,   recently   is   every time though   mostly every time   the term United States is used   in the internal revenue code,   It's a statutory definition that's being applied,   and what that means is The United States   almost always means   the District Of Columbia   and or its territories.   And, I I think this is pretty interesting.   Something I found out   is,   it it goes on to say this, The United States exercises   sovereignty   over its territories,   but this is a complex relationship   defined by federal law and supreme court rulings,   not absolute control.  

Under the constitution's   territorial clause, which is article four section three,   congress has what's known as plenary authority   to govern these lands   and can decide which constitutional   protections apply to residents.   And here's what article four section three clause two of the US constitution   says.   The congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful rules and regulations   respecting the territory   or other property   belonging to The United States.   Just something to keep in mind when you read that term United States.  

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And the only two,   at least at this point,   that are   not incorporated,   just just keep it simple,   are   American Samoa   and a little privately   held island   that's beautiful called Swain's   Island.   I think there's 33 people on it in the last census, something like that.   And those two   do not have birthright   citizenship.   So the people that are born there are not automatically   federal citizens.   In fact, they have to come to The US   and go through the naturalization   process that every other country, foreign country, has to go through before they're citizen federal citizens.   Those are the two cases   they've tried to take to the Supreme Court, and they cut both of them off before they could get there. Yes.  

Paul.  

[01:33:01] Unknown:

No. If we're referring to territories, I mean,   the North American continent was considered   different territories, the North American territory or whatever the whatever whatever whatever.   Did that just go away   when Well, they got the different areas became states?  

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Yes. And like the Northwest Territories was Ohio and all that stuff. And then they all became states and then that went away.   But Do you think the federal Hold it.   If you go to the statutes at large   and open up that first volume, the Northwest ordinance,   whatever's in there.  

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Okay. So,   could we think that the federal government considers the entire continent a territory of one way or another? They're just outside the agency? Certainly,  

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after the bankruptcy, they've taken them in politically as part of the property of the nation   that the federal government bank was bankrupted in in 1933.   And they extended their reach over them and their authority so they could impose   a top down structure to govern the country.   Mhmm.   I mean, look, you know, this is a good way   to govern a country if you don't have the the usurious leech suckers   at every point.   If it was just finance the country, you have the tax system and do it without all their usury,   that wouldn't be a bad deal.   In essence, in concept is what I'm saying.  

But,  

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they   Comment.  

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Yes. They did that, and,   they did it illegally for their own greed and and grab a personal gratification.   Didn't they,   Tom?  

[01:34:54] Unknown:

Oh, yeah. Lots of And, you know Hold on. Just to follow-up on what you guys have been talking about.   Failure to object timely is fatal. If you don't object to somebody assuming they have jurisdiction or any other kind of hold over you then it's presumed.   This is,   But anyway, I wanted I wanted to tell you guys, I sent you and Mark, especially Mark and Paul,   a recent case. I think it was 2023,   Marco Rubio,   where they,   yanked the,   citizenship from   a person who'd been living here and was actually born here in The United States.   And then they somehow   they took away his citizenship   and he challenged it in court. And it was a 2023 case, but it's got a lot of,   case citations in it that I haven't dug through. But, basically, they said that, he would say,   he was the   child of a,   an ambassador.  



[01:35:53] Unknown:

Oh, okay. Well, that's very legitimate. That's very legitimate.  

[01:35:57] Unknown:

For him Yeah. Well, this guy this guy this lawyer this this lawyer,   Robert Gouve, who's been following Trump really closely   and basically tearing apart all these cases against them. I sent you was a little   clip about it.   And it's really interesting. I think maybe we dig into that  

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that a little deeper. We may find some more, useful,  

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tidbits on.   I think that was because of the chat they're using it for the challenge for Trump, you know, getting rid of the anchor babies.   Well,   And we're about to really also delve into something that we're doing. Yeah.  

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Where was person Rubio.  

[01:36:39] Unknown:

Yeah. Marco Rubio was the,   rep I think representative of The United States, but I'm not sure. Uh-huh.  

[01:36:47] Unknown:

Marco Rubio.   And,   his his father was a doctor and came to The US,   on an invitation on a UN project   by, Truman. Right. That's what it was. Yeah. And his family came in, and the wife,   had the baby. And, yeah, he he lived here for, like, sixty or something years, sixty years. He had been issued five previous passports   as a US citizen.   But when the ninth court looked at it,   strictly interpreting the law Oh.   He was never a US citizen because he was not subject to the jurisdiction thereof. There you go. This is the case you were talking about. That was the keywords  

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right there. That's that's the case you were talking about the other day, Rick. So that's yes. And the exemption   for royalty or foreign potentates or ambassadors   has been firmly in the law, and it's all through   US versus Wong Kim Ark.   That's one of the legitimate exceptions.  

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Okay.  

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I think that's a cherry picked case.  

[01:37:53] Unknown:

Man, I'm that's a   something's going on there, it sounds like to me, Rick.  

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Yeah. There's well, there's a lot of objection to it because they're saying, well, this is an injustice.   And,   I got a feeling it's gonna go to Supreme Court, and Uh-huh. I think dangerous case.  

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It is. Well, could you see you could see what could be applied here is custom and usage.   He's been there that long all these years. Everybody's   recognized him. They're the size. Previous.   Five previous. Well, the fact that he just kind of been grandfathered into it, whether it's wrong or not, and so much water under the bridge that it would apply.   Mirka, were you trying to say something?   Yeah. I I just wanted to ask, is that a new case that they're working on with the NEMA case? The nine yes. Out of the ninth circuit. I think it just came out this week.  

[01:38:47] Unknown:

Oh, okay. Yeah. It was 2018   case. And it's Moncada Moncada   versus, Rubio.  

[01:38:56] Unknown:

Okay. Thank you. And Tom, I sent you a message on Telegram.  

[01:39:00] Unknown:

Yeah. I sent you a message Alright. Alright. Tom.  

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He took a oath of affirmation time and again   to get those passports.  

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Yeah. Well, he didn't know any different.   He probably didn't know any different.  

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There's conflicting evidence. And, that's why they went all the way back to the fourteenth.  

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Oh.   What an interesting case.   Cool.   Well, we're going to be hearing more about it. And and that is the key phrase, the whole thing and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.   Did they go back and refer I can't wait. It sounds like you read it, Rick. Did they go back and bring in Elk versus Wilkins   for in that site? Because that's the only other case I know of that that's hinged on that phrase.  

[01:39:47] Unknown:

I didn't see the documents. I just listened to the, to the attorney's,   video on it, but it was pretty thorough.  

[01:39:56] Unknown:

Cool. Is it DCA you're talking about?  

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Yeah. That's kinda similar to,   Plessy to me. I think they cherry picked that keg for a reason.  

[01:40:05] Unknown:

Well, they could've.   They sure could've.  

[01:40:09] Unknown:

What You know, the reason I sent it to you guys is I was thinking that Mark could,   Mark could write since Mark is a legal,   paralegal,   you know, he's still I I don't know if the term licensed paralegal is the correct term, but,   that he may you know, this guy, Govier, he's really open to, new ideas and stuff and to the fact that he's also supporting Trump and has been tearing apart all these cases against him. He might be a good attorney to present this national issue to and get his opinion, see maybe we can if we could sway this guy, he might do some, make some, videos about it. Well, like you said, he's in a blog  

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somewhere, and he's got a website.   And if you type in on Google I mean, on YouTube,   Moncada versus Rubio,   it'll come up,   and you can go to his site.  

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Yeah. The only the only thing I have against him is that he talks so damn fast. I mean, I have to literally   stop and back him up because he just he just rattles. It's like he's from New Jersey.  

[01:41:18] Unknown:

If you go to if you go to the settings, you can go to the settings and slow down the playback, dude.  

[01:41:24] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. To do it. Oh, he just really tears through him. He's but he's really good. He I mean, he really he really gets the, the issues across.  

[01:41:33] Unknown:

Can you spell that, please?  

[01:41:37] Unknown:

Somebody said something about that. Lawyer's name. I'll post it in Telegram.   I'll I'll I'll post it in Telegram.  

[01:41:45] Unknown:

I also posted on I'm talking about the video from the attorney   who's analyzing the case, Moncado versus Rubio.   He really gets into this too because he was talking   about the the and subject to jurisdiction, Roger, and I I thought you would love this because he goes about whether his father was,   seen as   a attache   or a console.   And one, I believe, is the console,   then you have diplomatic immunity. But as an attache, you don't.   No. It's the other way around. It's the other way. Turn around backwards. Okay. But either way, one way or the other,   his father did not have diplomatic immunity,   or did. I'm sorry. He did.  

His brother did. And so he wasn't subject   to the   jurisdiction of The United States. He was subject to the jurisdiction  

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of his home country. Of his father's country. Exactly.  

[01:42:43] Unknown:

Right, Right. And so McConnell, when he was born, even though   he had   passports as a US citizen, he wasn't really lawfully a a US citizen.  

[01:42:54] Unknown:

They were Nicaraguan.   The passport office messed up. That that is a really interesting case. The the gal that was asking you're asking to spell, was it Moncada?  

[01:43:08] Unknown:

Yeah. It's I posted it in the  

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in the chat. Yeah. It's in the chat. Okay. I'm on the  

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Rubio. M a n c a d o versus Rubio.  

[01:43:18] Unknown:

Yeah. It's in the chat.  

[01:43:21] Unknown:

Well, that's one of the the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. It's one of the established exceptions for birthright citizenship.   Like I said, it's all over. And the best case, you're gonna look at the case. The the   one case in the whole history of the country is US versus Wong Kim Ark.   That's the case that all the birthers used with Obama.   And that's the case. Not many of them must have read the dissent   because that's in the dissent where it from Harlan and Fuller, the chief justice,   they identify the fourteenth amendment as the feudal system  

[01:43:56] Unknown:

in the dissents. Right? The the question I've got about all this is what happens what happens if the Supreme Court says, yes. Anchor babies are illegal.   You cannot acquire citizenship just because you drop a kid on our sword. They're Is that gonna be retroactive?  

[01:44:11] Unknown:

You know? That's what I'm wondering about for a long time. It's gonna further define that. And is this guy one of the real good attorneys on this is a constitutional law professor. He was one of Trump's attorneys out in California. His name is Eastman.   They're trying to debar him. That's how good he is.   And, he's done a lot of research in this. He's got a couple of videos on the web.   And,   here's what happened. The deciding case on this, again,   is Wong Kim Ark.   And Wong Kim Ark's parents   were residents. They were established.   They came over   to US,   got   San Francisco had him.  

As he got older,   he wanted to go back and see the grandparents in China, went back, came back, they let him in,   and then he wanted to do it again a few years later. And in that period of time,   the backlash on on Chinese immigrants   had become so full blown that they wouldn't let him back in.   And a lot of the other Chinese were having problems at that time. And the only place they had to turn was The US court system.   So they started filing court cases in the thousands,   and they clogged the court system up so much   that they had to let a couple of these Chinese oriented cases through.  

Wong Kim Ark was one of them, and they ruled that, yes,   his parent he said, yes. You're a citizen of The United States   because his parents were established   when they had him.   I don't know the technical   residency and all that back then, but they were established with their life in The US.   What Trump's argument with this is is not on the general birthright citizenship.   It's on the migrants that came in, the 300 and something children that they had in the last couple of years.   That's what they're trying to stop from birthright citizenship.   So in essence,   that would also, in the future,   pertain to anchor babies,   which has been a big problem for a long time. And professor Eastman said, he said, I I can't find   where this started,   where this application of anybody that is in the country that has a child is automatically citizen United States. Okay? These anchor baby situations.  

He said the first time I really see country does that. Well, it's he said first time I see it is in the early sixties.   So what do we know? Now in the time frame,   that's after 1954   when they closed Plessy versus Ferguson   and put the capstone on their plan with the internal revenue code in 1954.   So it was right in that time frame when that started,   and Eastman couldn't find any place   specific   to pin it to.   So it it's an interesting question. We're gonna hear a lot more about it. And   as we go forward, it's so cool   because this hadn't been brought up in a hundred hundred plus years.  

And now here we are with our information, having the understanding   to understand what's being talked about with it, and these fine   fine degree differences in the it's not getting rid of birthright citizenship.   It's getting rid of anchor baby citizenship.   Roger. It's gonna be a good one to to digest and dissect. Well, we'll we're gonna sit with a ringside seat because we'll understand it, or most of the other people have no degree   of understanding like we do this. Yes, Julie.   Yeah. They'll just think it's racism. That's all. Yeah. They'll just call us more ugly name. Julie, they'll just call us more ugly names. Go ahead.  

[01:48:08] Unknown:

Okay. Pardon my ignorance here. Everybody, I'm I'm asking this question to you and,   and Rich and anybody else. It says that,   if,   Mercatus father was an attache,   then,   he was not a birthright citizen. And if the father was a consul,   then Mercatus was a birth right. But it said, what's the difference? But I don't know what an attache and a consul is. Can someone think What we're talking about is one of the loopholes in birthright citizenship that's always been there,  

[01:48:40] Unknown:

which is children of ambassadors   and stuff like that.   And the way every however difference between an ambassador and an attache and a couple of people, I'm ignorant on that one. One of them was there you know, here here's a good answer. One of them was there in residence,   which means the laws of his original country   apply to him.   And he would be so when the child was born, he wasn't given a citizenship on where he was born   Because his father is attached back to the previous   country,   then his   citizenship and the laws he's under goes back to the previous country. That's the reason it's set up like that.  

[01:49:24] Unknown:

That's the ambassadorial  

[01:49:25] Unknown:

law that you're subject to The US. Yeah. Well, who whoever had the authority   of being here under treaty, maybe that's another way to say it.   K?   Thank you. Yes. Well, sure.   One of the fine points of this whole thing. It's just these are the complications   that they brought into play here, things like this that well, shit. Most people don't have any damn idea about all this stuff.  

[01:49:53] Unknown:

Wouldn't have a Yeah. Roger, that whole that whole sideshow about Obama's birth certificate,   that was all done intentionally to keep anyone from realizing   that Frank Marshall Davis is really his father. Obama's father, and he was a citizen. Yeah. Totally. Want anybody to know his father was a a red red commie. A black a black communist beat jazz beat writer.  

[01:50:19] Unknown:

So   Right. Yeah.   A pornographer and a pornographer to boot. My God. Unbelievable. The guy was   just bad news. So, let's see. Anybody got any questions, Joseph?   These are the kind of discussions we get into around here. And,   I hope you've got the background to follow them. If not, you'll get there.   It's just kinda you don't have to learn everything in a day or two and you're not gonna. Okay? It's it takes time. Be patient,   and, just take a baby step at a time.   I guess it will Took me forty years.   Yeah.   Yeah. Tom here had been studying this stuff forty years before he met me, and and they said, this is what I've been looking for for forty years.   And the what we've got here that nobody I just want   us is a solid reasoning  

[01:51:12] Unknown:

and fact and law   on how that  

[01:51:15] Unknown:

unelected  

[01:51:16] Unknown:

bureaucrat   can interpret   law in any direction he wants   and apply it and enforce it on me? That's the question we're asking right there.   K?  

[01:51:29] Unknown:

Now who else has got something for me? 100%. I love this kind of stuff. I I'm usually using an AI to look up court cases because it happens very, very quickly, and   I can double check what the AI is doing, and I can ask it to cite. And somebody mentioned that earlier.   I believe it was the gentleman who has been a a paralegal and has been, the case. Mark.   Mark. Thank you. Yep. And,  

[01:51:57] Unknown:

it's great. Thank you. I don't know what AI you're using, but you might wanna at least try Enoch. Are you familiar with Enoch   yet, Joseph?  

[01:52:08] Unknown:

No.   Is that at, ChatGPT? I use Gurok ChatGPT,  

[01:52:12] Unknown:

and This is my account. Some API keys. This is,  

[01:52:16] Unknown:

Mike Adams, one that he's just putting out there. He's been working on this. The premier   help alternative   health, engine in the world. He's got all the Chinese medicine in there too.   I think it's briteon.ai.   But go over there and give it a try and see if it comes up with any of this court   stuff. It's not primarily,   learned that way, but he asked it a question the other day on something real off topic that it was just   absolutely dead right on. So you may wanna look at that. Okay?  

[01:52:51] Unknown:

And and, Joseph, real quick, before we go to the lady who was trying to jump in there.   You can email me, and I wish you would,   at straw man,   that's just like it sounds, strawman,@markallcaps.com,   spelled out, mark   all   caps   dot com.   Because I use some AI tools and you gotta be a little you gotta be careful because you gotta know   if it's leading you in the right direction or not. So like for instance   I, did a little search for, in one state about elements of a motion for summary judgment,   and it had not excuse me. It had nothing in there about a supporting affidavit or documents,   which in every state I've ever seen,   a motion for summary judgment must be supported   by competent fact witnesses   affidavit   and supporting documents that backs up   the facts that are listed in the affidavit.  

So don't just take what what these AI's tell you at face value.   You you need to have a little knowledge of of   what you're, you know, wanting chat, GPT, or AI platform to help you with. My yield.  

[01:54:10] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. That's clear. I just wanna say, I just sent you an email, and so, I'm happy to have that correspondence. And please, would you I'm I'm an herbalist,   have been in the past life, an herbalist and an HHP, a holistic health practitioner, so I'm very interested in what you said. Roger, would you repeat what that AI is again? Yes. Is Bryteon? You know who Mike Adams is. Right? The Health Ranger?   I do not. No.  

[01:54:35] Unknown:

Woah. Okay. Well, you'll be pleasantly surprised.   He's quite the guru in your area,   has his own company with his own   spectrometer   lab and all kinds of crap.   He spent $2,000,000   of his own money to build this.   It's called Enoch,   and it's Brythion,   just like brighte0n,   I believe,   dot ai.   And you get   it's free. It's noncommercial,   and you get up to 250   inquiries a day   for free.   You can download it and have it on your own desktop   in case you   need to use it if something goes wrong with the electricity or whatever. He's got a he's just a good guy. You'll like Mike Adams a lot. I'm surprised you hadn't run across him yet. He's quite an authority in in alternative medicine and all kinds of stuff.   Very good reputation.  

Awesome. Thank you. Yeah. I used to live down here in Ecuador for a few years.   Rick, was that you?  

[01:55:45] Unknown:

Yeah. A comment. Mark, correct me if I'm wrong. The,   I filed documents in two states.   And in each state, the clerk of superior   court Yes. That's the county clerk in that county Yeah. Clerk of superior court. She is the keeper of the record. That's all she is. Yeah. Now any document that you file with her,   and you can file your affidavit. All you have to do is take it down and ask her what format they require   for filing.   She files that in a book. It's not necessarily in property records. It could be in miscellaneous   or or any other book.  



[01:56:22] Unknown:

Anything filed with her is automatically admissible in court law. Yep. And you can pay her on top of filing it and having all that authentication.   You can pay her additionally   to recognize that the document is in the books, and she'll put her clerk of the court stamp on there.  

[01:56:40] Unknown:

He or she Well, that's what she does. When she files it, she assigns us a a booking page or some kind of book and page number, and they'll they'll get they'll give that to you. But if you go to court,   in court, you can ask the clerk  

[01:56:54] Unknown:

to, pull that record, and that's automatically admissible in court. Yep. Well, you're you're talking not not the court clerk, but the county records office. Office. Correct. It's the county of superior  

[01:57:07] Unknown:

court. That's who that is.  

[01:57:10] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[01:57:11] Unknown:

Alright. I've cut my original affidavit. Well, my original affidavit.  

[01:57:16] Unknown:

And she my original affidavit, I paid to have it filed. I got all those stamps, and then I paid the clerk of the court an extra $5   to put their stamp on it to recognize and authenticate that it was in those records.  

[01:57:31] Unknown:

Well, when I filed my records and they were, plots survey plots, filed it with the clerk of superior court. She used to keep her the records. Yep. All records. That might be true for you, but that's not true for Oklahoma County.  

[01:57:43] Unknown:

Okay. Well,  

[01:57:44] Unknown:

it is for, Essentech   in Georgia.  

[01:57:48] Unknown:

Yeah. It, you know, may vary We have an actual separate,   records division.   And so that's where you do your public notices, and that gets filed in a book. The land records that has your your legal description of your land and reporting of mortgages and so on and so forth, that's totally separate from our county Fort Clark's office.  

[01:58:12] Unknown:

Okay. Well, in Georgia,   when you go online   and you look up property records   Mhmm. You click on Berca Superior Court, and it takes you right into them. Wow. That's interesting. They oversee it. Thank you. It was part of their, all umbrella jurisdiction.  

[01:58:28] Unknown:

Yes, Marco?  

[01:58:32] Unknown:

I just said thank you to Rick for sharing that information so we can all verify   and learn for ourselves.  

[01:58:39] Unknown:

Uh-huh. Thank you. And all you're doing is just County and   Go ahead, Mark.  

[01:58:45] Unknown:

Yeah. Oklahoma County is called the county clerk.   It's a totally separate division from the court clerk.   So I yield. Okay.  

[01:58:55] Unknown:

It's not something you have to do. It doesn't really   overcome having to file it with the secretary of state, but it is in the public records   because those are public records.   And so one of the things you are doing, if you wanna put those in there, if they'll let you not give you hassle,   is your, just another way of moving forward due process.   You're putting in their public notice.   Oh, sheriff, you didn't see that? I posted it in the County records. Don't you go down there and look there every day?   You get my drift. Yes, Larry. Hey. One more comment, Roger.   Yeah. Larry's first, Tom. Hold on. Larry,  

[01:59:37] Unknown:

there's a whistle. Rick mentioned.  

[01:59:40] Unknown:

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Rick Rick mentioned that, you gotta have the you know, you should look up the proper   format, and that's not entirely true.   If if you're if you don't have an attorney, they can't hold you to the same standard as a an officer Very true. Of the court.   Yeah. So you do the best you can to write it up because that would be a a denial of your access to a court.  

[02:00:03] Unknown:

Okay. They have the right to require you to submit it in a particular format. They can require it as a PDF.   You can you can do it with a sheet of paper. But a lot of times, a lot of them want,   they want you to have notice   up in the top left corner. Little things like that. Yeah. Ask them. They'll tell you. Well, that's what you yeah.  

[02:00:24] Unknown:

Okay. Let's see. Tom, did you have something else to say real quick or whatever?  

[02:00:29] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. Just real quick. If anybody uses AI, be very, very careful like Mark said because an attorney used AI to write a a brief to a court, and   and all of the citations were nonexistent. The judge really reamed them good. So if you use AI, make sure you check everything. I would I was gonna say that earlier when that was going on.  

[02:00:51] Unknown:

So, but Tom Rentz is using it and said he does he does the work of five attorneys.   Yes, ma'am.   We're about to close. Go ahead. We'll just carry over. Or you just wait just a second. Let's finish this off, and then Paul can,   cut us off of the networks. And we can have a little bit of an after show, and I can address   whatever your query is. We'll be back on Monday   over the long Labor Day or not. We'll see you on Monday.   We labor on Labor Day.   Ciao.   Yes, ma'am.  

[02:01:26] Unknown:

Yes. Hi. It's me, Julie. Oh, Julie. I'm sorry.   Gabby, you were just saying be careful about AI because for, those of you who do follow Mike Adams as as do I,   you know, if you look him up online, it says he's a far right conspiracy theorist and has a fake news website and that he's a quackery.  

[02:01:46] Unknown:

So Okay. That's just one more thing to realize about AI not always being correct. About Joseph, you'll you'll thank me for that. He's done a couple of programs on it recently, subs in on Alex Jones sometimes or some of his hosts.   And, he spent over $2,000,000   on that engine. He's been working on it for at least a year.   Thought he was gonna introduce it in the spring, but he did say his wife is Taiwanese.   And,   so they're pretty familiar with Chinese or in that language.   And,   he did say that they got the entire   Chinese,   herbal   medicine history in there, and it's the most complete   search engine in the world because that's included in it. So you should have a ball over there. Okay?  



[02:02:38] Unknown:

Hey, Roger?  

[02:02:39] Unknown:

Yes.  

[02:02:41] Unknown:

This is Christian.   Hey, Christian.   I hate to back up, but y'all were really getting into some good things. But,   with, Mark Macondo,   you said it hinged off of US versus   what was that? Yeah. You didn't Wang. Somebody   Wang,  

[02:03:00] Unknown:

w o n g,   Kim,   k I m,   Ark,   a r k.   It's a 1898   case,   and it is the single   case in the whole history of our country in the Supreme Court that delves into all of these issues in-depth.   It's anytime there's any kind of Obama birth certificate, that's the case everybody went to.   It also is a case   where in the dissent,   chief justice   Fuller, who was chief justice of the Supreme Court for ten plus years, and the great dissenter,   a justice that was   so renowned he had his own nickname,   the great dissenter John Harlan,   both were on the descent in Wong Kim Ark.   And in that descent,   they they tell you that I'm a see if I can paraphrase it. If the,   is the the rule they're talking about, the fourteenth amendment.  

Under the rule,   it it it brought in a condition of the liege man to the liege lord.   Are they talking about feudalism? They spell it out.   That's that's feudalism, liege man, liege lord.   And it set up a condition that was,   unchanged   by time or space   and,   was just being,   England was just being relieved of its inconveniences   for feudalism   as it was being brought into The US under the fourteenth amendment. I didn't paraphrase it very well, but that's what it says in their language.   So they recognized it was the feudal system that was being brought in here back before   the turn of the to nineteen hun '19,   '19,   you know, before the turn of the nineteen hundreds.  



[02:05:00] Unknown:

Nineties. Gotcha.  

[02:05:01] Unknown:

Wong Kim Ark. Yes, Joan?  

[02:05:05] Unknown:

Yes. Thirty minutes ago, I think you said something like taxes are actually   good. They make sense fixed up for the   usury.  

[02:05:16] Unknown:

Well, no. I said illegal?   I said it would be a it's a it's a very logical way to run a society,   But these guys set it up so they could suck off all the usury at all, off the bonds, off the money, off the loans, all all that stuff, two, three, four levels of compound interest. If you didn't have that in there and it that money contributed back to the paying of the debt and everything else, it's not a bad way to run a run a society, really. But it's just they did it so they could set themselves up with all this usury and all this control.  

[02:05:53] Unknown:

Is it written somewhere that you is it written somewhere that usury is illegal?  

[02:06:00] Unknown:

Yeah. In the Bible.  

[02:06:03] Unknown:

Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Roger?  

[02:06:06] Unknown:

Yes. Julie.  

[02:06:08] Unknown:

Yeah. I wanna go back to this text, stuff again because somebody posted something very interesting in the FCC chat room. And this is from, Dave and Kaye's website.   They're talking about the eight seventy one b and eight seventy seven b taxes and it specifically states on here if you read closer into these sections,   Of course, we know one is about the taxation of expatriated   citizens, but this is the one I want to discuss.   It says the income of nonresident   aliens   is applicable to those who receive their income with within the physical boundaries of the District Of Columbia.   And I interpret that to mean you're living in   the boundaries   of the District Of Columbia and you receive your income within those boundaries   or   earn income from public   office. So the way I interpret that is if you live   outside   or are domiciled   domiciled   outside the physical boundaries of the District Of Columbia   and   get some sort of check or cash   that's not from public office that that would be exempt?  



[02:07:23] Unknown:

You know what I'd do if I were you, and I know you're referring to your rental property,   is I I would consider I I'd say it's better to ask forgiveness and permission and not pay it. Let them catch it.  

[02:07:36] Unknown:

Yeah. But but here's the other thing about that.   That would be that would construe me to be running a trader of business. And if you look at the CFR title   of definitions, a trader of business is somebody who performs the functions of a federal   office.   So I would think that that is not   taxable.  

[02:07:59] Unknown:

I would think so too.   Yeah. I agree. That phrase term or business, trader business came from? John found it in the old English law. It was a guy that lived under a bridge,   and he would come out from under the bridge and and and stop people going across the bridge and collect a fee or whatever else. That was considered a trader business.  

[02:08:21] Unknown:

Yep. And, you know, the other thing that the DC government tries to do is that I'm learning a lot, and Mark has helped me a lot on this is that you know they're really tricking people right now. So for example I thought I had,   I   thought I actually was getting a check from the government. No,   I'm getting a check from a government agency and if you sorry, from a non government agency, it's not it doesn't have anything to do with the government   except for it just gets some   some grants or funds from them and other sources. But yet they left they left the contract between me and this, non government agency   on a HUD form. And they just basically say this is and it's not signed by anyone at HUD at all. It's signed by a public housing agency, which is not a public it's not a government agency, and they're using these terms of a quid quidification NGOs. To you into speaking. Well, everything is income and it's total fraud. Everything's been being done under NGOs now.  



[02:09:22] Unknown:

Now all the money's funneled to these NGOs, and then they're, like, interfacing with someone like you on this.  

[02:09:28] Unknown:

So sorry. Well, the reason why they're going to NGOs is they're getting kickbacks.  

[02:09:33] Unknown:

Of course. Exactly. And Mark's a 100% correct on that. If I know so much, Oh, my God, want to talk about kickbacks right now. You guys got to go to this website on YouTube and type in property   taxes.   We're going back to the bonds, because of Mark just bringing this up.   Just last week,   Roger, this huge,   enormous developer in Houston has determined that every single school district and every school bond is,   junk bonds. They're issuing bonds to pay the bonds that they don't have the money from. They don't even have the money to pay the interest on the bonds, and he just calculated   a minimum of 5,000,000,000,000,   school bonds in default   and more coming, and that's based on the stats that he's able to get ahold of. Everything they do is a frigging illusion.  



[02:10:26] Unknown:

K? Yep. It's all fraud. It's all smoke and mirrors, and it's all illusion. It's all the leaven of the Pharisees.   It's just like Jesus said.   It's the leaven of the Pharisees.  

[02:10:38] Unknown:

Oh, Capitan?  

[02:10:40] Unknown:

Sketch.  

[02:10:42] Unknown:

Yes.   That's Mitch Bexler,   and he has noticed the d o the FBI,   the DOJ,   the postal service,   and the SEC.   And the FBI is do them.   And, yes, he served them, and he's in consultation   right now with the FBI.   We'll see what happens and see if they do a cover up, but it'll be very interesting. But he's designing his cases to go to the Supreme Court, will probably happen in ten years.   And it's very interesting,   all the fraud, and that's in every state. And when they asked, well, is this fraud all over The United States? He said, yes, in varying degrees. There are more crooks   in some states, and there are less crooks in other states, but it's happening everywhere.  



[02:11:28] Unknown:

Yep. And, also, let me let me add on to that. You know what he's done? He sued them all for mail fraud when they sent out those,   property tax bills also to everybody. He sued them, for $2,000   per letter mailed, and each one has a sentence of four years in prison.  

[02:11:48] Unknown:

Yep. And the poor guy committed suicide next week.  

[02:11:57] Unknown:

Are you writing his obituary already?  

[02:12:02] Unknown:

Somebody is. So, Kevin, I I I had one more one more comment for all the new listeners here is please go to the matrix docs   and go to the new students and watch all those videos that he has on there. And there's lots of archives on PodHome. You can listen to,   archive shows. You will learn so much, and then come back and ask questions here because that's how you learn. I yield. Thank you.  

[02:12:31] Unknown:

Thank you, Sketch.  

[02:12:33] Unknown:

Roger?  

[02:12:35] Unknown:

Larry.  

[02:12:38] Unknown:

Yeah. I wanna, circle back and try to answer Paul's question from   way back earlier.   He was he was, trying to understand the territories.   So if anyone's watched a in an old western, you've often heard that term,   the territory.   And what they did was The United States,   would purchase territories   or purchase land and create a territory.   And then later on,   they would create states of the union   out of those territories.   And so that's how they became states from the territories,   not in every case, but in some cases.   And, the the thing I just discovered recently,   in the Internal Revenue Code,   whenever that term United States is used, just like I pointed out before,   it's the the definition is a statutory   definition,   and it, most of the time, refers to the actual District of Columbia   and its territories.  

And what's interesting is   what they what they've done in the code   is they've taken,   words, and they have two like, words that we would normally use, and then they ascribe their own congress would ascribe their own   definition to that word. So you think you're you know, when you see United States, it's referring to the geographical   United States that consists of the 50 union states, but it's not. It's referring to the District of Columbia   or its territories   over over which it is sovereign.   And what's interesting is a lot of times in the code, that word territory   is represented with the word state with a capital s. How do you like that?  



[02:14:27] Unknown:

Yep. I'll tell you how else you can validate   this   is go back to the late fifties.   And in United States, they after Alaska and Hawaii, they were listed there, after they became states, they took them out of that list.   K?   So that's a very easy way to authenticate what Larry's talking about. Okay. Anybody else got anything for me? Oh, Roger? Hefe. I'm I'm about to Hefe's   Hefe's about to go off on his abbreviated weekend. Yes. Was that a female there? Hold on, Sketch. There was a female there. Okay.   Yes, ma'am.  

[02:15:08] Unknown:

Hi, Roger. I just wanted to,   make a u-turn back to you're talking about Texas earlier.   And so I wondered if anybody seen this that was,   recorded.   It says here a legal filing established an irrevocable claim over all assets, transactions, and derivatives tied to fraudulent   financial instruments associated with birth certificates is now recorded and enforceable under international commercial natural law.   And that was, UCC   one filing 2025023588   on 03/05/2025,   and then a UCC filing 2025025325   filed on the 2025.   And then at the bottom, there's a big long paragraph of the notice. And then it says it's by,   signed and sealed,   Govinda   Tidbull,   sui juris, all rights reserved without prejudice, UCC one dash three zero eight, a standing nation operating under   Filed here. Abrahamic law.  

It says you can see there's a big notice here. It says all entities   must disclose all financial instruments tied to fraudulent birth certificate transactions under a sworn affidavit under penalty of perjury. Failure to comply within thirty days results in full liability enforcement and seizure under international commercial and national law. All rebuttals and responses failing to cure UCC   filing, and then those two I just said,   evident parties as is   an individual entity hindering immediate non conditional compliance. This notice is now in full force and effect immediate compliance is required.   Public   search and full filing details available via Travis   County Clerk   Public Records.  



[02:16:52] Unknown:

Travis County. I'm kinda at a loss. Is there a court case involved here? Is this just something filed in the public record saying this, this, this? You got thirty days to respond. I'm not sure what your   where it's filed or what what it's about.   Something fraudulent with birth certificates.  

[02:17:14] Unknown:

It says there's a paragraph in the middle of the impacted institutions,   all subordinate entities and parties engaged in fraudulent birth certificates,   enforceable, including United States Treasury, Internal Revenue Service,   Federal Reserve.  

[02:17:27] Unknown:

Who is who is filing this in what capacity?  

[02:17:33] Unknown:

Govinda   Tidball   Suijuris   in March 2025, and it went for the ninety days.   Uh-huh. And it was, rebutted.  

[02:17:45] Unknown:

Okay. So what's happened?  

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So I was just inquiring if anybody else has heard about this. I received an email with the link   that, explained this. The man was being interviewed,   and I could send you the link where I got it.  

[02:18:03] Unknown:

Mm-mm.   No. I I wouldn't no. I I just don't   see the the   I don't see the are there any enforcement?  

[02:18:14] Unknown:

What it was very vague. It's not in my alley. So it sounds like somebody it sounds like somebody posted this in public records   and and   or served some government agency with that information.  

[02:18:28] Unknown:

Expecting this. I'm gonna have some There's no there's no context.  

[02:18:32] Unknown:

You haven't provided any kind of context of,   you know, who the person is   and   and you read what they filed,   but not what it's geared towards doing. What is it supposed to accomplish?   So I   I I can't really make any comment on it.  

[02:18:52] Unknown:

Okay. Julie  

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may have something on it. Yes.  

[02:18:58] Unknown:

I mean, this is going back to the birth certificate trust, Mark, and everybody. And if, it's just about, again, what Sherry   read the other day, the definition of a minor, which is title 31 code of federal regulations   363.6.   Minor means an individual under the age of 18 years. The term minor is also used to refer to an individual who has attained the age of 18 years but has not yet taken control of the securities   contained in his or her minor account, which is the birth certificate account, otherwise known as the Susacahie Trust account, the all caps name. I yield because I know you don't like to discuss this. Well, I've never seen anybody with any proof that they get some bill paid by  

[02:19:46] Unknown:

going after this trust. And my other question, Julie, can you tell me how this KU Beste, whatever it is, trust applies to the fourteenth amendment? Where's the connection?  

[02:19:57] Unknown:

Oh, I can I can tell you, but I don't have my notes in front of me? It's very complicated, Roger. And I'm just saying peep Well But, Roger, peep That's not what we deal with here. Sorry. That's not what we deal with here. Been threatened. We deal with getting people free. It's federal government and not getting into all that. Yeah. That's  

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and I agree. That's a totally separate issue. You know, it's really You get free. That kind of stuff is  

[02:20:22] Unknown:

K. Evidently, people Yeah. That kind of stuff doesn't really apply to what we're doing here Not at all. I would say. Okay. I've never seen anybody with any kind of proof that they were able to successfully get through   that, pay bills, or whatever it is they're trying to do. K? That seems like what it is. So, ma'am, I think that maybe applies to something like that. And   we just it's not that the birth certificate is fraud. It's being used in a fraudulent manner   as a warehouse receipt   in an entire fraudulent scheme of enslaving you and then getting you to agree with it.  

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K? And that's what I'm saying. Clarification.   Yes. That's what I'm saying. Guys were mentioning a lot of codes and stuff, and I'm not into codes. I'm more into his word. I And so  

[02:21:13] Unknown:

that's why I'm with you. I try and keep that code crap out of here too, but Larry and others just insist on reading it. So it makes new people's eyes glaze over. I keep trying to tell them that, but they just don't seem to hear me.  

[02:21:30] Unknown:

At the time?  

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Okay. So I'm gonna go off on my abbreviated weekend   and then and just absolutely   indulge totally overindulge in college football. Yes, Stitch?  

[02:21:44] Unknown:

Yes. I I wanted to say first blessings and enjoy your weekend. And, also, if you're interested in Mercado versus,   Rubio tomorrow on VivaFry and Barnes, there'll probably be a good discussion on it. So if you're interested,   get on that, it's Well, I hope so. But well, it's a 2018  

[02:22:02] Unknown:

case. I didn't know it was seven, eight years old.   So I don't know, man. There's so much shit happening.   Barnes and they'll be able lucky if they're able to cover   a a minuscule part of it. So, anyway, we'll be back on Monday, kids,   and, have a good weekend.   Joseph, just go do some studying on the things that appeal to you, and Just realize this is not an,   instant gratification thing. It's just because it takes time   to reorient yourself to reality   and get your arms around it where you really have a perspective that's accurate.   So don't beat yourself up. Okay?  

Otherwise than that, anybody else or something for me?   Sounds like Thank you right here. Thank you. Okay. Hey, Boris. You're welcome. I'll see y'all next week. Have a on Monday, have a a a good   well,   Labor Day weekend, I guess, is what we're dealing with here.   So, I will see y'all on Monday laboring or not.  

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Paul? Have a good one. Have a great weekend. Thank you. Have a good weekend, judge.  

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Ciao.   LSU wins, it'll be better.   Bye.  

[02:23:20] Unknown:

Bye.   Okay, guys.   Continue. I'll take the stream down in about another thirty eight minutes. So   knock yourselves out.  

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If you take the benefit, you're on the duty.  

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Rogers, Bruce, and, Thompson's gonna beat the hell out of Louisiana.  

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He's already gone.   He has his finger on the escape button on the escape hatch when he says that.  

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Hold  

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on.   Hold   on.  

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It's interesting. The discussion about the   about the court cases,   really,   all those courts, like, they're not 10 commandments. Right? So, they were just commercial stuff, and   we can avoid them using commercial. It's not I've come to believe.  

[02:24:31] Unknown:

Does anybody know who was speaking recently,   who came on, like, who is the last thing and read that   case   about the birth certificate.  

[02:24:47] Unknown:

Was was that Ann?  

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Pam?   I don't know who it was.   Joan, does anybody know?  

[02:24:55] Unknown:

Is that Dave on the thumb Dave on the thumb's wife?  

[02:25:01] Unknown:

God. I don't know.   Is she still here? I'm not sure.  

[02:25:10] Unknown:

I don't know who it was, but I got the information if you need it. Yeah. I do. Who how do I get a hold of her?   Oh, I don't know who it was, but I have the I I found the information.  

[02:25:21] Unknown:

Okay. What is it, please?  

[02:25:25] Unknown:

Well, the first name is Govinda, g o v I n d a. Okay. And the last name the last name is Tidball,   t I d b a l l.   Okay.   If you if you just search it in a browser, it looks like he's got a couple of interviews, and it looks like it was filed in Australia.   There's two UCC documents.   But I think if you just search Govinda Tidball and Travis County Clerk.   Oh, Austin Austin, Texas. I take it back. It's in Austin, Texas.  

[02:25:57] Unknown:

Okay. Travis County Clerk, Austin Tennis,   Austin, Texas. And who is this?  

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You know, I think it might be the same. I saw the interview that a lot of people were talking about just a minute ago where,   he's filed with FBI and DOJ,   basically showing records   and proof that there's fraud   in the housing market   and  

[02:26:23] Unknown:

for a backdoor with the the school, somehow with the school system. That's somebody different. That's a different case. The property   case. This was this was the, this was the,   this was the, birth certificate, the Social Security or not the Social Security, but the birth certificate   stuff that I keep working on on the side because I, I just   my research leads me to believe that that is exactly factual. And I totally understand   Rogers,   concerned that nobody has ever gotten a hold of their sophisticated   trust. I would basically say I would disagree with that. My my information has led me to believe that those who have have been threatened have had to sign NDA, are not allowed to divulge this stuff and have been,   under severe,   threats,   of extinction or suicide if that information is ever,   divulged   on how to do it and if it's ever taught.  

So I don't know, but thank you. I think what she read was something about Govinda Tidball. I think that was separate from the other individual   man who filed a case against the FBI and the DOJ for,   the property tax fraud and the appraisal fraud that he has uncovered. He's a very big developer in, Houston and I think guests or somebody in the FCC chat posted,   the actual,   YouTube video. I don't have it in front of me right now because I got off of the FCC and I'm just on the phone.  

[02:27:59] Unknown:

Yeah. The video was with, Daniel, Danielle,   and   her organization is called ITM.  

[02:28:07] Unknown:

Yep. Yep. That's the one. That's the one. Yep. Daniel ITM is the one on property taxes.  

[02:28:13] Unknown:

Yeah.  

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Thank you. Is this Joseph?   It yes. It is. Okay. So, Joseph, thank you. Nice to chat with you. Yeah. And what was your name? I'm Julie.  

[02:28:24] Unknown:

Okay, Julie. Thank you.  

[02:28:26] Unknown:

And, Joseph,   I was just gonna mention something to you. Don't worry about if you did your affidavit wrong or you didn't file the right paperwork. You can always correct it. You can always send something else back in and just tell them in a cover letter just supersede the my prior correspondence that I filed with you and find your name.  

[02:28:45] Unknown:

Yep. Thank you very much. Yeah. I I know that   I know it all can be fixed, and I'm not worried about it. I just wanted to clarify if whatever or I wanted to hear everybody else's experience and maybe   just find some find some clarity on it. Yeah.  

[02:29:01] Unknown:

Well, we're all here to help. So  

[02:29:06] Unknown:

And the cover letter should say cancel and supersede my previous affidavit.   And Travis County is, I think, in the same county in which Mitch Bexler   lives.   So it might have been Yes. It is. In   the same county.  

[02:29:23] Unknown:

Yeah. Sketch, you're correct on that. I I did look that up.  

[02:29:31] Unknown:

Thank you, Julie. This is Pam. I appreciate that information. I delivered   a child in Texas, so that's why it concerned  

[02:29:40] Unknown:

or interested me. So Oh, are you the one who just, read that stuff about the birth certificate stuff?   I am. Oh, can I get your contact information? I'd love to,   collaborate with you on this because I've got a lot of information.  

[02:29:55] Unknown:

Julie.  

[02:29:56] Unknown:

Yeah? This is Dave in the thumb. You have our email.  

[02:30:00] Unknown:

Oh, okay. Okay. I didn't know this was your wife. I'm sorry. I've never heard her,   speak before. I'm or if I did, I missed you. I'm sorry, Pam.   Nice to meet you, Julie. You do read a lot table. Appreciate it. Yeah. Yeah. No. I I really appreciate you reading this case out. It's very pertinent. It's 100%   going on. I have so much you know, there   the the problem is every time you go into a court, this is what my research has shown, you know, they're they're issuing a bond   on you. In the courtroom, they're blending the natural person and the fiction person together,   and they're claiming that you are one of the same.  

And so,   when you look at the word individual   and you go to the statute 31 CFR three sixty three-six   and title 20 six-seven 701   lowercase a lowercase I in parenthesis,   they talk about a person.   But they also use the word individual. But there's not a definition of an individual.   They're not gonna define this as a natural person, and they can't   because it's defined as a legally incompetent minor in the new deal construction   post 1933.   This is what they did to us.  

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Thank you so much for that. It kinda reminds me of Esau and Edom. Yep.  

[02:31:23] Unknown:

Yep.  

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I mean, think of that. Eats Esaw,   and I'm thinking of elect   electronic saw. Right? Esaw and Edom. I'm thinking of Edom. And then earlier them up. The other,   conversation about   Terry Tory   makes me think of only because of how I've had to read the definitions in between the lines of all these different paperworks   is, tear   a Tory.   And so I believe that's why they just kinda slammed it all together and, and had deceived so many people.   And it takes hours to read, you know, a paragraph when you have to sift through all of the different types of word   met, magic, whatever they did to, deceive us and, pull the wool over our our eyes. Yep. They created these,   twins,   I guess.  



[02:32:15] Unknown:

Yeah. It is so true. I mean, it's, I think every time you go into a court and you ask the judge for the bond,   they're gonna play stupid with you. Every time you go to the court, they they've,   they've already pulled your $10.99   a,   before you even enter into the courtroom and stealing your property,  

[02:32:33] Unknown:

without your knowledge. Yeah, you'll get me.  

[02:32:37] Unknown:

And,   I just,   I just have to There's another charger.   Too many CFRs and too many laws that they've written regarding  

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this.  

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If I may, I I'd like to,   address that with my wife, Greg, about the book.  

[02:33:01] Unknown:

Somebody   somebody's mic is open.  

[02:33:03] Unknown:

Sorry, please.  

[02:33:06] Unknown:

Julie?  

[02:33:07] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah.  

[02:33:08] Unknown:

So I wanna address that what what my wife read and Roger's response   that, you know, that he said that the birth certificate isn't fraudulent.   The birth certificate   absolutely   is fraudulent.   And how can   the two paralegals   not see   that   Roosevelt   implemented   the Mandel House's letter to Wilson.  

[02:33:35] Unknown:

I a 100% agree with you that this all ties together, and your birth certificate also ties into the fourteenth Amendment. And I have been digging and digging in my spare time on this. And it is 100%   being used in the courts. The law, the all of the jurisdictions are being blended together and they're doing this on purpose. And I'm going to figure this out and get to the bottom of it because because there's a way for everybody to get, a hold of their birth certificate trust through the 1099AB   and c's. And I just haven't quite figured it out yet. But every day I look at it, it's meshing with me more. And when I figure it out, I'm not gonna keep my mouth shut. I'm gonna share it with everybody. I really don't care. I'm not gonna take their threats because   those are our securities and we have to revoke and re vest them. And that means we re because   because they're in our minor account. And if you don't revoke and reverse them and take control back over your own property, you're still considered a minor. You're still considered incompetent.  



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Thank you very much for making that statement.  

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I mean, it's just so the the the codes are right in front of us about our minor account.   And so if people wanna know what the remedy is, the remedy is to revoke and reverse the trust res. So basically, you're revoking the bonds.   And under trust law, that means you're collapsing it and taking your property back. And you can look at title 26 USC,   six seventy six, and it specifically states you have the power to revoke   because these are ours.  

[02:35:12] Unknown:

Do you know are you on Telegram?  

[02:35:15] Unknown:

I'm not on Telegram. I'm on Telegram, but I don't have my own channel. Like, I get on Telegram, but, you know, if you wanna email me, I can email you my cell phone number and stuff. I prefer emails and texts if that's, better.  

[02:35:29] Unknown:

No. See, Telegram is so  

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quick and fast. Well, I have Telegram. You can go. I have three different channels on Telegram, but it's not my name. I'm incognito   Telegram. So if you wanna give me your Telegram channel, I can   or   I can DM you.  

[02:35:46] Unknown:

Yes. Absolutely. And that's   in that sense, it's it's very quick, and I have a bunch of things to share with you here. And and it sounds like they would be pertinent to what   what you're discovering because, I'm on the same page.  

[02:35:59] Unknown:

Okay. Because let you guys, let me tell you something. If you look at title two two 26 USC six seventy six, it specifically says that the grantor, which is you,   shall be treated as the owner, that would be you, of any portion of a trust. Our securities are in a trust. They have to be because our country is in receivership.   And so, whether or not you are treated as such owner,   it's what we have to do is we have the right to revoke and re vest. This means take your money back in grantor title   to such portion   of this trust.  

That means that we're the grantor, the bailor, the beneficiary. And,   you know, it doesn't matter if you're the beneficiary as the living, breathing man and you're the granter in the all caps name that was declared dead when you were born. At the end of the day, they've messed the two together. So they're using both interchangeably when you're in court.   And so, you know, we have had identity theft and I know people that are can you guys hear that bell in the background? My dog is trained to ring a bell when he wants to go outside. Sorry for the noise.  

[02:37:11] Unknown:

Hold on. He's one of those AI dogs.  

[02:37:14] Unknown:

And no, he's not. He's a very smart dog. But he just, you know, I you know, when I was when I was married before,   I remember my husband.   He told me, oh, you'll get so stupid. Don't ever tie a bell on that door. He'll never no dog's gonna figure out how to ring it. I said, You wanna make a bet?   My dog can ring the hell out of that thing.   Even if I'm upstairs and he's all the way downstairs, he will bang it and ring it until I hear it. Somebody told me, Julie, they saw a video  

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of a cat jumping up and opening the door and letting the dog out. Yeah. Absolutely.  

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I mean, there's other cats I see on YouTube. You'd go on YouTube. There's cats that know how to open the lid, get on top of the toilet seat, go to the bathroom, put the lid down and flush it, and flush it.   And they're hilarious and you're, like, thinking is that really real or is that something that was created? Is it CGI? No. It's real. I remember, Julie, when I was a kid, they advertised  

[02:38:17] Unknown:

a,   a kitty litter   box that fit on the toilet seat. Yeah. And they showed the cat jumping up on the toilet seat and using the kitty litter box. And then then you take it away after they learn it, and they just use the toilet.  

[02:38:33] Unknown:

Yep. Absolutely. 100%.   And, these animals are way smarter than what we think they are. So I mean, my little my little Pomeranian, he's a service dog. He could detect seizures on me when I had him before.   He's 14 years old now, and he's nine pounds, and he's just full of piss and vinegar, for lack of a better description. But he's so smart.  

[02:38:54] Unknown:

Nice. Well, I think they've established,   you can,   teach an old dog new trips tricks because,   the people have been,   programmed to believe that they can go out and be free. And now we realize that, no. If you take a shot, you can stay home for two weeks, and we'll change the world while you're asleep.  

[02:39:13] Unknown:

Yep. Absolutely. 100%. I agree with that. We used to have a Pomeranian  

[02:39:18] Unknown:

Chihuahua   that weighed about nine pounds, and she looked just like she looked just like Gizmo   on that movie, The Gremlins.   Yep.   She was adorable.  

[02:39:31] Unknown:

Dave Well, I had to I texted my little boy to lady Linda Louise and Sherry and, and Nancy. I don't know if they're on the call right now, but I had to brag on him yesterday because he was outside sunbathing.   And, he just loves in the weather we have here right now. It's beautiful. It's not too hot, not too cold, and zero humidity. And he just likes to go out in the sun and sunbathe. It's it's hilarious.  

[02:39:56] Unknown:

Dave, Mary, by any chance, can you get that link into Chitango Ravey Ranch too if possible? Thank you.  

[02:40:03] Unknown:

Yeah. And I need Joseph's telegram so I can DM him, but I also wanted to tell everybody where is your money. All your birth certificate money is in trust fund number 62 down in Puerto Rico.   And that is under title 31, United States code 1321.   It's right there. They wouldn't write codes and regulations and statutes that this stuff didn't exist.   And, this down there for a reason so that we can't get a hold of it because,   it's an offshore bank account.   How convenient and how apropos of them. But,   we can control over it using these ten ninety nine a, b, and c forms.   So I'm gonna try it. I just have to figure it out. I've downloaded the ten ninety nine a, b, and c forms from the IRS, and I've downloaded the instructions. And now I just have to figure out how to do it. Because all of these,   all of these so called government agencies are nothing more than corporations. And if you look at up,   what they're doing and the violations that they're violating, they're in violation of security and exchange,   commission rule 10 b five.  

You could sue them civilly and criminally because a, they're they're they are submitting documents on behalf of us without disclosure,   and whether they're signing them or not is irrelevant.   And then they're also,   involved in security fraud. These people don't have security licenses to do what they're doing.   And they're what they're basically doing is they're issuing big performance and payment bonds on us every time we, you know, get married or every time we go into court or every time we start up a business and they're trading us on the international.   And they're, oh, Lady Linda Louise says she's listening. Hi, l l l. Yeah. So anyway, Lady Linda Louise and I and Nancy and everybody else in the private group or whatever, the after shows, we were we're trying to get to the bottom of this and figure this out because there's gotta be a way to do this.  



[02:42:01] Unknown:

Who's doing this, Julie?  

[02:42:04] Unknown:

Who's doing this?   I know there are people that are doing that. Julie, hold on. Are you Julian, m I?   I'm   I'm Julie.   I'm not I'm on my phone right now. You can see my phone number   in the, s in the FCC. Whoever the green lady is talking, that's my number. You any of you guys can call me, but that's a landline. You can't text can't text me  

[02:42:30] Unknown:

on this. No. I'm asking for I found in National Status Freedom, I looked for, your name, and I found Julian, am I? No. And I sent it No. I sent it to the okay. It's not me, Becky.  

[02:42:42] Unknown:

Hold on. Let me get into National Debt Freedom, and I will post. I I've changed my name a million times,   so let me figure out who I am at the time. I get targeted. Send me you can just send me a a DM directly.  

[02:42:57] Unknown:

I'm in the group. I've posted recently just to say hello to everyone. Well, I'm not in the chat room. This is the original one.  

[02:43:05] Unknown:

Julie?   Yeah? Do you ever get on the Ed George,   forty four on Saturday evenings?  

[02:43:14] Unknown:

Is that Ed George?   Yeah. Yeah. I you know what? I've wanted to, and I haven't had a chance to do that because, I remember I I I just started listening to some of Phyllis's,   Republic calls, but,   I've only listened to, like, maybe one and I know he's on there a lot because,   remember I was in, Mark's,   trust class and his Right. Trust class was at the same time   on Tuesdays and Thursdays as, the Republic calls were. Right.  

[02:43:43] Unknown:

Well, Ed George is on every Saturday at 7PM eastern,   on a free conference call. And, Pam is asking you to come on there tonight.  

[02:43:54] Unknown:

Okay. I can do that, Pam. And, and by the way, Dave, thank you very much for telling me about this because if it weren't for you, I'd have never known about it. You're the one who actually alerted me to the the republic call and told me how to get on. And I and I and I do get her emails and stuff and I love her but I just haven't had a chance to get on. So I will try to do that.   I'll just,   Dave, I'll just   email you   and   it's it's is that Gmail. Right? Yep. Yeah. I'll email you and Pam so you have all my contact information. And if she could email me the link for the FCC tonight,   at seven eastern, I'll get on.  



[02:44:32] Unknown:

Okay. So that she learned about that   that document that she read   on the Republic call from Thursday night. Okay. That wasn't on that. Wow. It is recorded.   There is a recorded,   line.   It is on also,   you can relisten by computer.   You know, if Phil will send you those   emails   prior to each show,   there's links for everything they talk about, including   a link to listen to the replay.  

[02:45:04] Unknown:

Okay. Thank you. Yeah. I do. I do.  

[02:45:07] Unknown:

What's the number?  

[02:45:09] Unknown:

The replay number is   60505.   313-5112.   And there's a pin. It's six nine five   And that'll give you the most current,   recorded call, but that call Thursday's call would be   recorded over on Tuesday's call.   And the Tuesday and Thursday call here at 08:30PM   eastern.  

[02:45:49] Unknown:

And who is this, call for,  

[02:45:51] Unknown:

from? What's the republic? That's Darryl,   Link and Phyllis,   and,   Linda Louise   is a trustee for that call. Oh,   okay.   Thank you. Yep. They do a lot of research before they do their calls, and   every night they have a call, it's, you know, a guest   a guest speaker, and they pretty much do quite a bit of background work before they do that call.  

[02:46:24] Unknown:

You said they have a call every night?  

[02:46:27] Unknown:

No. Thursday Tuesday and Thursdays.  

[02:46:30] Unknown:

Okay.  

[02:46:31] Unknown:

But not every Thursday, but every Tuesday for sure.   Okay. And then tonight on the Ed George call,   Daryl's usually on there at home, and he gives them   the, you know, the information for his calls, the republic calls, and he'll go out, you know, a week a couple of weeks   in advance and tell us who is gonna be the speaker on that republic call.  

[02:46:56] Unknown:

Okay. Thank you. You are Terrible  

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feedback.   Terrible feedback.  

[02:47:02] Unknown:

Yep. Somebody's got a phone in a cup or something.  

[02:47:05] Unknown:

I think that was am I ask you am I echoing?  

[02:47:08] Unknown:

Nope. Yeah. I think it was Bruce's phone.  

[02:47:11] Unknown:

Yeah. I I think that, the most important point of all of this right now is that and we all know that we're the creditors, but as long as you don't take back your minor estate, the government is treating you as a debtor as well. So once you revoke and reinvest those, your property, you're no longer   the debtor and playing the creditor at the same time. That's why when you walk into a courtroom, they're just completely   mixing both of us together. And,   the other thing is that we have multiple securities,   it best evidenced by that code I read earlier about,   the definition of what a minor is.  

And if we are able to   revoke and reverse those securities   there that   is lawfully   ours. And again,   they're engaging in identity theft.   And I think that,   I'm going to figure this out, like I said, and then I'm just going to create   a word document   with pictures and screenshots on exactly what everybody needs to do to to do this   before it's too late because they're rolling out the digital currency. They're rolling out digital systems for us right now.   That scare me,   at warp speed right now. No pun intended.  

[02:48:30] Unknown:

You know, Julie, I get my I get a Social Security check   that comes, you know, to my PO box.   Yep. And I've gotten two letters now telling me that I have to, by the September,   give them an account where they can direct deposit because there will be no more checks.  

[02:48:50] Unknown:

And Yeah. That's that's the  

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digital act that comes they And there is no there is I've never gotten a letter from them that didn't offer a,   an appeal, an administrative appeal, and this is the only one that has no administrative  

[02:49:06] Unknown:

appeal. Yeah. That's because they're rolling out the digital ID. Yeah.  

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They're rolling out wanted to give that as a confirmation  

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that that's what they're doing. Well, he Trump signed a digital, digital act on 03/25/2025,   and it goes in its full implementation on 09/30/2025.   And it's exactly what you stated. Everything is going digital. All payments are going digital.   And and  

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and remember, I, you know, Larry said I was fearmongering, but, you know, we've got a a township   supervisor here in Michigan that is a,   commander of one of the Michigan militias.   The guy is totally credible.   He got from Lansing,   our state capital, that they're gonna have another shutdown in September,   and they're going digital. And if you don't comply by October,   they're gonna give you give us a a,   you know, that,   what do they call it? The income. You know, they're gonna pay everybody to stay home,  

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in universal Universal   basic income.  

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Yes. They're gonna give that. And if you don't comply,   they will shut down your digital bank accounts.  

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Yep. Dave Dave, I guess we know we know what time it is, and I hope you bring up that point to to Roger.   The the Social Security check is not gonna be voluntary it is not gonna be a voluntary system. It seems like it's mandatory. Otherwise, you get cut off.  

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You Well, that's the social insurance that Mandel House said would they would make them filthy rich beyond their wildest dreams.   And if anyone ever figured it out, you know, one out of a million, they would have plausible deniability. Right? Smile. Yeah. Get ahead of you. And Christ How the hell can they not see that   that this is what we're living in right now? That happened that was implemented March 9. Is that right? 1933.   Wasn't that the date? Yep.   How can Roger not see that?  

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Well, please bring that up to Roger because it might affect him. Okay?  

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Well, I agree. Yeah. I will.  

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Thank you. What Roger doesn't realize is that all these little Latino,   small little countries that are not the G7 or the big countries,   they are mandated to do what the big countries tell them to do or if they get regime changes. So if Roger doesn't take digital currency is not coming down to Ecuador,   he's going to be very shocked when it does and not going to know what to do because   it's coming everywhere worldwide   unless somebody gets rid of the Bank of International Settlements and gets rid of these,   Roth childs and rock Rockefellers that control, the central banks. And they don't control all of them, by the way. The reason why they're going after Russia and the reason why they're going after Iran is because Iran has a central bank not owned by the globalists,   and they don't charge usury on loans. And same thing with,   Putin in Russia. He has a central bank, and it's not owned by the,   by the powers that ought not be. He is in control of everything within his borders, and he doesn't need anybody   external to provide for his his people there. And they've outlawed GMO.  



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Yep.   They're both vaccines.  

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Yep. And then and by the way, everybody should just go look on, YouTube.   They just came out with three new vaccines,  

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this week, this past week.  

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May I? And all vaccines now are mRNA?   Yep.   And,   the reason,   09:30,   that month and that day is important because it's the end of the fiscal year   for the government.  

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Well, and then we're not this can be rescinded. Right?  

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Oh, I have,   Sherry.   Sorry for interrupting here, but, Roger wants to know how the fourteenth Amendment ties into your legal fiction, all cap name, all cap name. Well,   '27,   sorry.   It's been asked a million times. If you're a fourteenth amendment   citizen, that means you're a legal fiction,   legally incompetent minor in the name of what Sherry read out before,   Title 31 CFR 363.6.   You're unable to judge   both the facts and the law.   And so that's where,   if you are a fourteenth Amendment citizen, you qualify for jury duty.   And that's why that's why they want you to serve to perpetuate the fraud   under,   the non constitutional   article one administrative   court.  



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And You also get voting rights when you're a fourteenth amendment citizen.  

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Yep. And they listen, they can the banks and and let me tell you something. These criminals can only charge your legal   fiction in res. That's your all caps name.   Me and those are your birth certificate   securities. And they're they're charging that with a commercial crime and making the living man or woman the response   responsible party in REM.   In capital r e s is your legal fiction and in REM is your lead living, breathing woman man name.   And basically, let me tell you something. The the   responsible party, the living, breathing woman in REM, capital r a m, that's that   this is personal jurisdiction,   and you are a surety   to go to jail.  

And that's that's what's happening. They we have a blended law form jurisdiction. They've taken law and equity and merged it in 1938   under the Erie Railroad   versus Tompkins.   And now they're calling it civil law. And then they've taken Admiralty and Maritime in 1966   and they blended it under the UCC codes.  

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What is REM?  

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Definitely. I don't know if that legal term I think are illegal   fiction in res, r e s, somebody needs to look that up. It's I n space and then all capitals r e s. And I know that your legal fiction name in all caps and then in REM,   it's the living breathing woman in I think REM. I think maybe one needs means corporation and one means,   a living, breathing,   human being like Surrey Jewish.   Sir, what is it? Surrey? Surrey Jew? Jew? Juris? I never can say that, legal term.  

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Sui Juris?  

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Yeah. Thank you very much.  

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Hi, Julia. It's Rich.   Hi, Mitchell.  

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Hi. How are you?  

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Okay. I I I I'm just trying to to   I feel like   I'm walking through   high bamboo,   with all the, the the the sound, troubles   that, we're all having.   But, yeah,   Europe   Europe Europe Pistol,   packing mama, apparently.   And,   yeah,   thanks thanks for your interpretations   of this stuff because you're,   you're picking up on a lot of things that   it would you know, when they always talk about   people's eyes glaze over,   you you have a tendency to   to bring out   the definitions   and and   bring clarity to things.  

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I do. I'm trying to, Rich. I'm I'm a fish out of water too and I'm looking up right here and it says in REM and RES are distinct and refer to different   concepts. I think in REM,   well, let's see here.   It describes   a type of lawsuit or legal   action   directed towards property rather than a specific person.   I'm I'm gonna have to go and and res means a thing   or property   and that makes sense.   Res means a thing or property and you're all caps name. We are property.   So now this makes sense, you guys. In rez means and that's why he says,   that's why the research I say says revoke and revest   your securities,   your trust rez. All of our securities are in that trust because our country was bankrupted in 1933.  

Whether it was done properly or not, we don't have a choice. And so that's   our all caps name is our res, r e s. It's a Latin term.   It's a Latin word.   And I think in rem   is,   in   rem is the living breathing man. Because when you when you go to court   and you're and you go to jail, you're act you're you're being bonded in jail with securities and they're they're mixing all these jurisdictions   together and you, the living, breathing woman, are going to   to jail for that all cast name.   And I and there's something that I have to look up where you can ask.   That's why, again, we wanna stay out of courts, but when you go in, if you can call the clerk ahead of time and ask them for the CUSIP number, the CUSI number for the case,   that's the that's your security. That's the bond that they've taken out on you.  

That doesn't sit well with the judge when you go into the courtroom and you ask for the bond.   That does And Sherry  

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and Sherry's got   like I said the other day,   Sherry's got experience. She's got the street cred,   based upon what she talked about,   when she had to,   go in front of the court. And, apparently, she had to surrender   her that's what really,   really got my attention is   when she apparently,   she had gone to jail, she had to surrender her dogs   to some   neighbors   to take care of them.   And I'm like, oh my gosh.   So  

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Yeah. They don't care about your animals, your house, or anything else.   They wanna break you   emotionally,   physically,   and financially.   That's what Jill is for.  

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And and and, Sherry, like I said, you got street cred.   So you're able to share your experiences   with us who haven't gone there.   And, apparently, from what I heard from you the other day,   they've made you   they've made you afraid to take another step   because of   of your   your dogs and your your family and everything else?   And   we've gotta try to figure out a way to hold them on the other side of that that   river,   which are the which are the bad guys or the enemy accountable.   They they might even not they might not even know that they're the enemy.   And we have to properly call them out. Like, ow. Man, slow down. Don't you talk loud?  



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I was gonna bring that forward too.   Fuck.   It might be the subject matter, Rich.  

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We have the the when the code when the code is broken from us, we're gonna break it down. They'll they'll they'll be they'll be taking they'll they'll get them there then.   You know? We don't as long as we focus on the prize, they'll get what's coming   to them.   We have agreed   already.   It's not the money either.   I mean, just call.  

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You're not asking. You're not one of them.  

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There's a, there's a case that somebody could probably look up that I haven't been able I haven't looked up yet and downloaded. It's called Guarantee Trust   versus Henwood.   And it's   it talks about the fact that we are the original creditors.   And it also talks about a remedy that Congress gave us that they're not giving us right now,   because they   hypothecated   the debt,   to pay the Federal Reserve for all the bonds that have have been sold,   to them and to foreign creditors.   And there's,   they Congress was supposed to give us the remedy, but they haven't. They want us to continue to operate as minors, which are debtors in the system,   and try to convince us that we are one of the same, meaning our all caps name and then our,   living, breathing man, woman,   are are the same when when in reality, we were the original creditor.  

And there's a court case out there, and I need to find it, that actually   says this in writing that,   we are we are the original creditor and that the government is the debtor.  

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And I Well, Julie, do you know do you know what Sustike Bay means? Yeah. He who lives.   He who breathes.  

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Yeah. Okay. I meant the same thing. So you Right. Same thing. It's  

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so that's where the trust emanates from is from  

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Yeah. And here's the thing. Yeah. Go ahead. People. Yeah. And then I'm saying that   Roger wants to say, well, you don't have, ownership if it's an estate. I think that,   they're just trying to confuse us. It doesn't mean it matter if they're using the word trust or   account or estate. It's all the same thing. And they're they have called it so many different things to confuse us, whether it's a legacy estate or a legacy trust or a legacy account.   We have I've even heard the word equipment   account,   be used or a set off and equipment account.   So all we need to do is just write all these out on a piece of paper and then just put a big box around it and put, you know, all the same,   as the title of the box because they're doing that to trick us and to get us not to be able to figure this whole complicated system that they've Right. And, Julie,  

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narrow it down narrow it down to   31   CFR.   Three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three four four three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three four four four three three three three three three   three   under thirty one. And very interesting, 363.27.  

Here's a word to look up people. What does custodian mean? A court   appointed  

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custodian. Yeah. And that would be, that would be be your public defender. That's your AG. It's the attorney general of The United States that has custodianship   over all of our minor accounts. So that would be Pam Bondi now with Merrick Garland before.  

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So, anyway, I I just say,   the rules court rules of civil procedure and   what defines the security   and all the   rules and regulations   associated with that   because that's what they're operating under.  

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Yeah. And for It's so evil. It's just so evil that I wanna figure this out. I wanna send a ten ninety nine a a, b, or c to these people. Now my understanding is,   and I don't know how to do this, but I'll figure it out. But one of the procedures   that you can do that you have to be very careful about is,   if you do decide to do, like, a ten ninety nine b and take your money back,   you have to be very careful because you have to have a CUSIP, and you have to have the CUSIP to the penny.   And now my understanding is that too many people are figuring this out,   and they've taken the CUSIP that were under the Treasury, the second Treasury down in Puerto Rico,   and now they've merged them all into a master CUSIP. And now my latest research shows that they've actually transferred this to the International Monetary Fund. So they there there there there's a reason why these globalists are doing this and hiding these things.  

Roger, you can just use deductive reasoning.   If they're doing this, if somebody,   somewhere, some place is getting access to these   and learning about this.   And   again, getting threatened about teaching it or getting threatened about,   you know,   disclosing this for lack of a better   explanation.   And,   and so what that's what they're doing so that they're hiding it because there used to only be one treasury,   my understanding was here in The United States way back yonder. Then, of course, they put one down in Puerto Rico, so we don't have have access to the jurisdiction in the courts down there.  

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Julie?  

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Yes?  

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Yep. Res and Rem are pretty much synonymous.   Rem is just the action on the res or the thing.   It's the,   they're they're they're inseparable.  

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Well,   I don't know how I I don't I see what you're saying because I read it I read the terms and it kinda became a little bit confusing toward me toward to me, but I think the way they're using it in this context is res. Res,   r e s is your,   all caps name minor account that you haven't claimed,   and Rem is the living, breathing   human being.  

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No. That the Rem is   the the Rem is the   the REM acts on the res.  

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Oh, okay. Okay.   Well, that would make sense. The REM acts on the,   acts on the res. So the REM,   is the one that ends up going to jail   on behalf of the rez.   You're all kept in your bond.  

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The the the the   the REM is the court action   that   instead of coming after you directly thereafter that property, that thing that isn't you, the res.  

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Yep. That's all it means. Yep. That makes sense.  

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And that's exactly what's in   the the heart of,   Brough's declaration of independence. It's you know, he's saying   that, he's expirating,   absolute,   his resin trust to the foreign jurisdiction known as the Municipal Corporation of the District of Columbia,   a democracy and return to the republic.   They're acting together,   and   they're all fiction   or things. They're not flesh and blood. They're not men and women,   essentially.  

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That makes sense.  

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Well, there you go.   That's what they are. They're fictions.   We're the real thing.   They're not.  

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Yeah. When they talk about a person in the title case, they're talking about a natural person, but everything else that they're using, they're dealing with our estate, our legal   fiction, our corporate entity.   And,  

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Roger, that old Roger?  

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That old case name is essentially a res in trust.  

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Right.   Yep. Yep. Exactly. That's why he talks about trust res.  

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And why people wanna enter trusts, which are all in equity?   I think as nationals, we don't need them.  

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Yeah. But the way the the way this government is working right now is they're using our all caps name as the legal debt entity corporation to transact with it. And there is if what if we take over our minor account, there is no way they can do that anymore because we're not a minor anymore.   We've corrected our minor account, and we are no longer, quote, unquote, debt at fee for lack of  

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Yeah. They're stealing the labor, which is the glory of the nation. Yep. So the glory of the nation is the glory of the Lord. So when we act to, you know, put these criminals in line for the theft, we're actually restoring the glory of the nation   because, you know, only labor is from the land as gold, silver. You know? What they're doing is just   is putting two doll they're doing cabal all the magic. Right? Putting $2 in the basket and watching.  

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Everyone and y'all are just in.  

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Is there any way that we can remember what Roger was saying about the power of the postcard?   Can we all   try to figure out   a,   a quote or a saying that we can put   on the postcard   to send out to all of our representatives,   whether it be local or   federal,   in hopes that they will   see this and get it   and not be able to, quote,   trace it back to the, you know,   the individual.  

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You can kick them out of office for fraud.   Every single one of them.   Total fraud   on the people.  

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Bruce, it's the enforceability.   Who's gonna enforce it?   That really is the crux of the whole matter.  

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It's up to us to do it.   We got the key.  

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Kinda like Leo Frank.  

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So we have to work   start off at our local level.   Okay. Send a postcard to our local level   and inform   them   of some type of   a a postcard quote statement   to let them know   that we know   and that we are holding them   accountable   to   being in the know.   It seems I remember back in 2010   because I think I was part of that.   Remember when all the governors   of all the 50 states were notified   that,   we know   that they are   that this government is   has been   taken over by   the bad guys   and that we are holding them accountable.   And mainstream   media basically it was exposed, but it was basically   within a day,   it was all   it was all blown off, and you never heard anything about it.  

Anybody remember that?  

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I don't. But the tool that we have from the eighteen hundreds, which was used really a lot, is is the grand jury. And,   that is the   you know, we we have to kinda stay out of the voting unless we have a, you know, necessity post on it, I guess, as a as a national. But, but the grand juries, they really they can come from anywhere, and,   we can   start you know, it takes a lot of people, and a lot of people just wanna watch football games or whatnot.  

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25. 25. It only takes 25 people.  

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That's all they did in the Roman days with the Colosseum, get your minds up anything important.  

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We can be the grand jury.  

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This was part of NESARA. Remember NESARA?   And I get I think it was   Desara?  

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Desara.  

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Yes.   Desara.   Global international.  

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Now, JESARA and NESARA.   JESARA is a hoax and NESARA,   what people don't realize is that NESARA was never proposed, never signed by anybody in congress, is never signed by Clinton under gun under gun by the military. That's all   psyop. It was proposed by somebody who was some sort of scientist, and he sent,   a proposal to all of the congressmen about how to   fix the financial system and fix everything.   And,   the daughter   of this,   individual who wrote it is now out on YouTube and all over the place trying to get it back into action again and get it signed.   But all the stuff that people are promoting on Telegram about all your mortgages being canceled, all your student loans being canceled canceled, all your credit cards being canceled and getting all your taxes back, that that's not happening.  



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Julie? Yep.   But isn't this but isn't that   what they were trying to do back in 2010?   Isn't that tied into what you're talking about right now?  

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If you   no. If you go on   Michelle Moore's show,   which is on rumble. Let me see if I can post this in the chat.   She did the interview with the daughter. Her name, her the daughter's name is Dionice,   Dionice, but she goes by the short name of,   a D for because people can't pronounce or spell her name.   And she explains   the whole entire   NESARA and how it came about and it was through her father.   It's a very interesting,   whatever you wanna call it,   show. Her name is,   Dianique. Okay. The person who proposed it was,   Bernard.   That was the Mr. Bernard. I don't know his first name.  

Dianese Bernard Gerbrecht right now. She talks all about the Necessera and she sets the truth.   And that's on Rumble and I can post it in the FCC,   room. Or you can just go to Rumble and then type in the Michelle Moore show, m o o r e show, and scroll down and you'll see the title, Hard Truths About the Nassar Bill,   Daughter of the Original Writer   Reveals All.   And she has the book he wrote and she has all the papers that she found out about it in the attic of their house.   So   NESARA was a part of that, but it was just it was basically to get rid of the Federal Reserve,   move our currency under the Treasury, which is where it should should always be.  

It was   fairer mortgages, meaning   you'd still have a mortgage on your house, but you wouldn't be charged the usury.   It was about,   changing over the IRS,   to a sales tax system on certain goods where certain things like your food and your medical supplies were not   taxed and medicines and stuff were not taxable, but   new purchases of things were taxable and a bunch of other stuff too.   It's a very interesting show. Now the daughter is out there trying to get this, back passed back into law again   through Congress. But my understanding is nobody's listening to her. Nobody listened to her dad when he first   wrote this and he spent two years writing this.  

And I think it was literally  

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It made   it made national television because I remember in 2010   when I was still employed with uncle Satan,   I remember   walking into the cafeteria   and seeing it on   on the television.  

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Yep. That's right.  

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And, unfortunately, I   Julie, I had gotten dropped.   I had gotten dropped when you were when you were talking it, and I got some really weird   weird quote on why they dropped me. But, anyway,   I,   yeah,  

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There You know?  

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Something to all this that everybody's talking about, and and there's a the remedies out there, obviously,   with with Roger.   And   there's more to it, obviously,   and   you you are   figuring it out, and   and Sherry's figuring it out.   And   a lot of you folks out there   know   how how and what to do.   It's just   I think   is there any way to refine this down to, like, a gold coin, like,   Ron Paul was saying to pay off the debt. Let's just get a gold coin,   put,   you know, $300,000,000,000,000   on it, and submit it, and let it be  

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done with. Rich.  

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Rich?  

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Hello?  

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Can you hear me?  

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I think he's still there, Samuel.  

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Yeah. Instead of your postcard, Rich,   do the declaration of independence   that   Lee Brost is talking about. Publish it in your local paper.   You've locally told everybody   who you are. You know? And   you have to run it for the period of time   that is required by   state statute, and you should be good to go.   But,   you know, it's like when Joe was asked, Lustica,   whether he put gas in his car or not for that judge to get jurisdiction.   Joe said it should've said no.   The res and trust did   that I am not an agent for.   I'm a flesh and blood man. I have no agency   over   that   res,   and   I didn't put   according to this court record that has this upper case name,   I   did not put gas in my automobile.  



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Right on.  

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Because you're a fiction.  

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Because I'm not a person. And the fiction  

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couldn't do a damn thing.  

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So so,   so going back to one of the,   stories that Roger was talking about, I think, in a courtroom, I I guess it was in Georgia,   where   he he should've   he should've said, yes,   your honor, but I am not that   person.   Can you tie this in with with, a checker?  

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Touch the word person. I would say man or woman. Just forget the word altogether.  

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Okay. Because, that that that guy from the IRS   with the Cheshire,   cat   glasses looked down at him and said, you look like a person to me, and the courtroom   went totally silent. You could hear a pin drop.   So Roger said that he didn't   he didn't answer the question   properly,   and that the the proper   answer would have been yes,   but I am not that person.   So  

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That that gentleman should have established at the beginning of the the whole thing that   he wasn't there.  

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Now are you talking about jurisdiction?  

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Persona.   Mhmm.   The only way they can bring us into these fictitious courts is if we volunteer   to be that resin trust.  

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Your living body is not who they're looking for. They're looking for the, for the entity. They can't deal with the living body.  

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No. They're not set up for that. And why   why   somebody   thinks there's courts of law?  

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You know? I Those have been gone a long time.  

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They may they may have degrees   at law, but they sure ain't in law.  

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Yeah. I mean, listen. We we are the inherent right to the title of this.   It was supposed to be a sort you know, sovereign public trust. They made it into a foreign situs trust. They made out them the holder, basically, legal title holder, and us the users.   But if you look into all this, it says temporarily,   not a permanent trust. On the other side, it's our sovereign public trust. At the age of 18, you become the executor or of   the DE state as a free man or woman in sovereign in a sovereign trust   as the holder in due course.   Having in per having a permanent trust,   you could now, at any time, claim the legal names here as state property.  

They're just waiting for us to do it.   Now this is We are the original holders of due  

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course of the e state. That is that is a 100 that is a 100% correct. 100%   correct. We are the original holders in due course of these trust of this just the KB trust account. Yeah. They they made our bond to inform and autograph the in that, the indictment that  

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there was no petitioner holder of the estate. They they they instead of born and it being endowed, they made a cargo birth,   delivered.   You know, now they become the informant,   made your mom informer without her knowledge.   Right?   Mother's given the maiden name with with indicating we were all bastards.   They still get born   on the on the register.   It's because they register their register   signed in, your state   into probate. We're still little kids, and you become a ward of the state. We're in bondage right now. We need to be have rights of our liberty. We need to take over this, and we can do it lawfully without even picking up a weapon,   except for our our discernment by getting healthy   and our fear of no man and our biofield around us,   you know, not eating this all this poison food. We can figure this out. They made us capitis,   dimincio   minima.  

I mean, that's what we're supposed to be. That's the lowest or least comprehensive degree of loss of status.   Instead, they made it Capitis D'Amico maxima, the highest or most comprehensive   loss   of status,   changed from one freedom to one of bondage.   Black law dictionary, sexual position. Look up bondage.   I could go on.   I mean, they gave you know, we're supposed to have a title, our god given our our your given name. They made it into a corporation, a trade name.   It's supposed to be a sovereign public trust, not a foreign sided trust.   We are actually have to look in the mirror and know that we actually it's always been in front of us, and I'm not there's no blame. But we're just diagnosing the pieces, and I would love to join this little group with Julie and them because I've been studying this shit for a long time, and I have not mastered it yet.  

But I'm going to not stop as well   because I fear no man.   Because I wanna go home, and we can't die anyway.   We're all energy.   Just so stupid.   So when you're we have Ezekiel three through three. We gotta sound the horn. If you know, we gotta you gotta we're no better if we don't sound the horn, you know, but we can't do it alone. Right, Julie?  

[03:28:44] Unknown:

Is this Todd? Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. We all have to do this together, and that's why I love the after show because,  

[03:28:52] Unknown:

I mean, Roger doesn't like this discussed on his show, So that's I didn't even bring it up. I've got yelled at twice in two weeks, but I I didn't mind it. I took it. He just what did I do with he he just doesn't want he just hasn't seen us unapproved. Like, I paid a few bills with it because I as long as it's just debt. So I I found out on the back of your Social Security card, you have a letter, and that's what what federal bank you're you're a little set to case in. And, people why why they go to jail? Because they go try to thinking that their birth certificates there, their Social Security card, they're not even supposed to be using it. You're not even supposed to be giving people money. It's all illegal.   Yep. Absolutely. You can't pay. If okay. You want me to take care of my obligation? No problem. Bring bring the claim so that I'm not the original creditor,   and I will and I will take care of this obligation. Of course, I'm gonna be a tax reporter, not a taxpayer.  

So I'm just gonna basically re you know, leverage it into my trust account   and,   and just take care of everything that way. Just take people go to jail because they go to try to buy a $50,000   car even though that is due debt. They're still trying to take that money right out of some trust with TD Bank that they think they have run.   We don't own it until we collapse it and and terminate all the intermediate fiduciary.   Then we could use the Social Security, the IRS. They're not our enemy. We just gotta use them in the right way. The IRS just wants their money. Wait till they find out that we know that we're the we we found out we're the creditor and, how many companies they're gonna go. We don't have to bring to every one of these companies. They're all gonna go in for tax evasion.   They owe about fifty years or however old you are worth of money and taxes.  

We don't even need to pick up a weapon, do we? We could just bring the claim. Right?   I'm an inhabitant. I'm born on the land. I'm an inhabitant with the law common law of land. I'm not a foreigner, an alien in commercial jurisdiction,   and later also admiralty law, law of the sea.   It's one for the other. They they, you know, you you're the beneficiary of the sovereign public trust. The state is your public servant and trustee with fiduciary duty to protect and serve you. The rightful beneficiary of the public trust. You.   No. They did a state beneficiary of Florence Titus Trust. They made the state the holder of your estate, all property,   used the surety for the IMF debt obligation,   and is the beneficiary of our society's trust because we won't wake up and and tell them that we're alive and we're confident to take control of this.  

They were supposed to be teaching this all eighteen years of our life. Instead, they pointed us with good, gave us the bad lighting, and made us all have ADHD or whatever they wanna call it if that's even a real thing.   Shit. You know, the schools are set up like jail. Were they not?   They make money when people are in jail. So they just make money. They're poisoning us from the air, the water, this, that, that. We don't we feel hard on all this stuff. If you if people don't know about all that stuff by now and they're not even started on getting rid of metal ties and their demetal ties in their body and parasites, they're not gonna make it anyway. It's us, guys. This is it. This is the group.   There's a lot of us, I think, but this is this is us.  

We can't fear. We gotta come together,   and and honorably   honorably walk.   You know?   Now that we're and now that we're nationals or most of us are and whoever's listening should be,   we always were a national. But now that we're not a fourteenth amendment,   you know, the, fourteenth amendment,   you know, I don't even like talking about it. Let me just stick talking about what they made of.   They corporatized us, guys. Instead of our lawfully named permanently recorded traditionally in our family name Bible.   No. They corporatized us. They illegal trade name and public registry combining or giving them family names.   They made us a corporation.  

So we could talk about it all day. Right? But now now it's like I I found this code, u CC.   I was trying to put it to comments. 8Dash112LowercaseD.   And it's almost the them. You know, we always say they have to put it in plain sight. Well, they don't put it plain sight. You have to go all the way to the bottom of their state gov,   to find 302. We have we have 308 above it. You have this and that. Where 30302,   section three zero two, public law, 94 through two '41   tells   us that they start getting into the marinarian and 18 year old, but what you get to become, it tells you, you gotta send in this declaration and and and do it the proper way, I duly swear, on the penalty of perjury just like Roger says. I think Roger just, I think he   Roger's so awesome. I just think he, he's been hearing it. He's like been hearing it for so long. He knows how to free people, but he's been hearing this for so long. And a lot of people have gotten in trouble because they've done it the wrong way. He doesn't wanna get nobody in trouble until he mastered it. And I don't think any of us mastered it yet. And if there is somebody out there that mastered it, and if you're listening, for you not to bring it forward, shame on you.  

That's all. I don't know. I could keep going, you know, if this is if this is interesting, but I don't wanna take over the hijacked whole thing.  

[03:33:51] Unknown:

May I?  

[03:33:52] Unknown:

When when I when I was,   when I was at the counter recorders   back in,   February,   I,   I was going to make sure that, before I went into court,   I wanted to make sure that my,   affidavit   was,   at the counter recorder's office that I had filed two years ago.   And   when I when I tried to when I let them know and I told them the date and everything,   they said that they couldn't find   my affidavit.   And  

[03:34:34] Unknown:

I was like,   it almost took Dude, these workers that are these workers that are the custodian I didn't mean to interrupt you, but these workers that in the city hall where it all started, it never changed from local,   the you know, from us to the state. Right. It's the federal   federal is down. Every 89% of the country   is stuck on federal being so most important then state and then man. It never changed only in people's brain from television   and programming, and they channel people.   They gotta be eating Doritos and playing video games. Why? So they can't hear us.   You know? They have all the money in the world, ours, to stop us from finding out, and it didn't work for us for them. You know? God bless them. Well, some of them, not even they don't even have a soul. Well, unfortunately,   you know? That's the day we're living in. We don't know who's real and who's not. How How much evidence does somebody want?  

We find out everything we've ever been told in our whole life is a lie.  

[03:35:29] Unknown:

We all yeah. But I when   I I I I told I I'm sorry if I'm slow.   But,   Yeah. I I was in the county recorder's office,   and,   I I I told them that I had filed this a couple years earlier,   and,   they they tried to   they tried to look up what I was talking about, this affidavit.   And,   they said they couldn't find it. I'm, like, thinking, oh my god. I I paid $25   to file something, and you can't find it   under my name and my my,   my address?   And,   I told him, I said, you you look you look deeper.   And,   I think I I mighta had a copy of it or something. I I can't remember now. But,   anyway, they looked   further,   and then they said, oh, okay. We found it.  

We filed it under   miscellaneous.   And then   one of them   read out loud,   notice to the agent is notice to the principal.   Notice to the principal   is notice to the agent.   And they literally read that out. You you could hear hear her saying it   in the,   recorder's office.   So,   the next day when I went in front of the judge,   I I guess something   something went right because   I didn't have to pay any court costs, and I and I walked.   So   there had to have been something positive that took place there with,   that affidavit that that I had filed at the county recorder's office.  

[03:37:28] Unknown:

Yep.   Because the notice is so that all that means is there any company or entity or, you know, entity meaning any business, any any corporation, any of that or this and that, they when you do the certified mail and you put those words on that, that means that even the guy that they hired at the lowest bottom, he could throw up on it, the dog could eat it, he could lose your paperwork.   They can't come later and say, hey. We didn't receive that. Okay? You have the green card. You you have the it was signed for. They have received it the same as the CEO.   So good job.  



[03:38:11] Unknown:

Julie, what say you?  

[03:38:16] Unknown:

I'm just listening in, you guys. I'm just like I said, I'm actually texting lady Lynn Linda Louise while you guys are all talking. I mean, we   we're gonna figure this all out together   in this after show, and we're gonna take control over our securities or our bond or trust, whatever you wanna call it because it's ours.   I told g I told lady Luinda Louise, in Jesus's name, the Lord and the Holy Spirit will guide us to the solution because this is all about recovering   our stolen property   that is rightfully ours that was given to us by our creator.   Biblical.  

And we need to take it back. And we need to let these thieves and thieves know, and they're not gonna do this anymore. We're gonna put it into their criminal,   lives.  

[03:39:05] Unknown:

And What's better than walking in honor doing it too for our maker? We're doing this for our maker.  

[03:39:11] Unknown:

Absolutely. And all of this stuff about What are you gonna walk with your head up tall?   Yep. Yeah. And  

[03:39:20] Unknown:

Yes. You say yes, father. Yes, father. I have the information you   so blessed me with. Thank you for get grounding and and and and putting a biofield around me and protecting me and fearing no man because how do you fear   if you're doing something right and they're doing something wrong? Why are you fearing? Shouldn't they're gonna fear? But a lot of them are the custodians of their own record. So we have to try to help a lot of them along the way too,   especially with police. You get them a break. You're no. I'm never gonna get tased or gone without a license plate registration or insurance because all I can honor. I'm recording.   Where's the emergency? What you have your lights on? Can I help? You know? If it's just a traffic stop, maybe I was going we we're we have to act at a higher standard, though. We can't drink and drive and go a 100 miles an hour. We can, and we could get away with it, but that's not very honorable.  

That's why not everybody was woken it up at once.  

[03:40:14] Unknown:

Todd, you said it's just is this just a traffic stop? If you look up the definition of traffic,   it's commerce.   Absolutely.  

[03:40:24] Unknown:

It's all it's all merchant.  

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Merchant's not an 80 an 82 year old man. He was a colonel in the, he retired from the National Guard as a colonel,   and he did seven and a half years in the federal pen. They went after him. They didn't like what he was doing. But, you know, today, when he travels without   a a plate or, you know, any of that stuff and he gets stopped, he says, you know, he exchanges   pleasantries   with the officer, and then he says,   officer, is this a traffic stop? And the officer says, well, yes. It is. And he says,   are you trying to engage me in commerce?   And they look down at their feet, then they look back up smiling, and they say, have a nice day.  



[03:41:07] Unknown:

Yeah. A lot of them you're not yeah. That's probably gonna be 1%, but that is a good one. And I had a few good successes, and, but the my my, my point is this too is that that's it's on the side of the road is not at times, especially right now, to our you know, we don't not and I'm not saying use it. Oh, there's no honor. Listening. You don't wanna argue. You acted honor. So Right. I'm I'm recording right away.   I asked for their name and badge number, and they need to tell me. Okay? First of all, is there a victim?   Is there another man or woman that says that I hurt them or took something from them? If not, go write me a ticket, and I'll and I'll and I'll take care of it. Well, we're not gonna take I said I said give you a license, not your, declaration   or your, passport card. I I said, okay. Well, let me ask you this, and I'm recording.  

Are you staying under threat of arrest if I don't give that to you? Are you are you gonna arrest me if if I don't? Oh, yeah. Okay. Don't no. Don't even break the window or nothing. Hold on a sec. Let me shut off the car. Let me gonna go sit on the ground, put my hands behind my back. Now they do illegal search and seizure. Now they're kidnapping me, and I have to get them later. Now if it's a cool cop that wants to listen, he might change actual,   job and maybe become a part of a trustee and a and a beneficiary where he should be,   instead of working for the state for money for hire.  

So we have to help these guys do a lot of them. A lot of them you're it all starts at the in the in the that's what I was saying earlier. Is it you know, between the federal state and then man, like,   we have to start local where they actually created   in your local city hall where you were born. They created   this this this NLEGIS   fraudulent constructive trust.   It's our job   to to bring that to a federal equity court and bring a bring a suit against them. Unfortunately, I don't like doing that, but that's this is one where you have to. My goal is still use the birth certificate as proof of life, fraud, and death.   And I'm gonna and and what and whatever else I put together while I'm handling it myself as a private man   and and we're, you know, working under God's laws, and I'm just gonna bring the claim. I I wanna bring bring bring the proof, and I wanna collapse that fourteenth amendment trust. I wanna, terminate   all intermediate producers. Why they call it intermediate?  

Well,   they're called intermediate because it's only for the time being until we wake up. They put that in a lot of stuff. Remember, the temporary trust?  

[03:43:28] Unknown:

May I yeah. Please.   Yeah. Let me just just add something here. I just wanna thank everybody that's been here   on this show and speaking up. To me, this is so important.   So, so important. Everything you're saying,   I think it's Todd, if that's who's talking or whatever, I completely   I completely agree with. And Thank you, sir. As much as I appreciate Roger, I give him an a plus at the kindergarten level. Love them to death.   But but that only gets you so far, and he dismisses traffic. Like, well, if you really wanna go there, yes. It's way more advanced. We have to be very careful. But if we're ever going to be free, we have to be free in all ways. We can't be a slave in certain things   and then be free over here. So that's why I this this conversation   really resonates with me because if we're just being a  

[03:44:19] Unknown:

yeah. Yeah. Hey. It's me, your friend, in, in in Scotland, DC.   Yeah, I mean you and I have discussed this a million times offline too and we both agreed with this a long time ago that you can't just do this half assed, you're either all in and you're not. So being a national in my opinion   is only half the equation here. And and and my understanding actually is that you can't take over   your minor estate if you're still a federal citizen because you're still under that fourteenth amendment.   And that is your,   that's your that's your trust. Then if you wanna take over that, you gotta get out of being,  

[03:44:56] Unknown:

a federal citizen. Otherwise, you you won't be able to reach double protection and then we become trustees and beneficiaries. Now we have triple protection.   I mean, this is just,  

[03:45:06] Unknown:

it's yeah. Sorry. Sorry. Yeah. No. And I was just gonna say I was just gonna add to that also that, you know, for those people, like, there's a lot of arguments out there. I don't know who's correct   about the fact that if you're taking any privilege or benefit from   from the government   and I'm referring to Social Security and and veterans benefits and Medicare and Medicaid. Well, my whole solution here is that if we had if we get our property facts that is lawfully   our property,   our trust, those securities back, you're not gonna need any of that crap. You're not gonna need the Social Security. You're not gonna need any of that crap. And for as far as a driver's license goes, we can all get international driver's license.   It's not that hard to get those. You you have to tell a cop if you get pulled over that you're you're part of the press. Well, you get hold of your suspect, the k v trust, you can set your own little tiny press company up just like everybody can set their own little PMA church 501CC508508C1A   up and and avoid all of their stuff completely,   ever again. So I Oh, that's beautiful.  

Is that Julie right? I think all all this stuff is I think getting a hold of our securities, which rightfully,  

[03:46:21] Unknown:

lawfully belong to us is the key because then Well, let me let me just say this. Hey. We said one thing to Roger. Save let me ask you, Roger. I love you. Right? Thank you. God bless you. You save a million. But freedom, you can still be free like we are as natural, but you're still in bondage. Why would we not wanna be free and create generational wealth and so our families never have to go through this bullshit again?   Why don't we just stop at freedom? We have to we're still in bondage.  

[03:46:47] Unknown:

No. I know. And and and and at the end of the day, we all know that our creator never created us to be slaves,   a debt slave spending two to three hours in traffic to and from our that corporate office and then only to be, you know, passed to death on all of the,  

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all of our labor and then forget that. Well, be helping our neighbors and teaching young kids how to grow, take care of themselves, clean, cook,   and defend themselves.  

[03:47:11] Unknown:

Yep.  

[03:47:13] Unknown:

Not lying to them about if the what size of the earth is or how fast we're spinning around so we're not going for an acre. None of that bullshit where it says on the bottom of the globe for instant purposes only.   I mean, this is this if we if you know, you know, and a lot of us know, and I would like to join any of that group stuff that you think that you that that you guys are gonna pull them together, Julie. I'd be honored to come in there and learn from you all.   I'll tell you that right now.   I'm in.  

[03:47:44] Unknown:

I think so I get to go home. We'll try to figure out I think we're gonna try I have a account with Zoom. I think we're gonna try to figure out a way to,   approach this at some point in time. We've been on some other shows and stuff,   with other people that are doing things a little bit differently,   regarding this. But I I think it's a lot easier just to I I love the bill of exchange. I love the, It's the The only way we could pay, Julie. Yeah. The only way we could take care of an obligation   legally. Yep. But do you know people who are getting this resolved,  

[03:48:16] Unknown:

Todd, where they're turning in the bonds into bills of exchange? Because I don't know anybody who's taking them anymore. Well, it's surety bonds. No. They're not messing with it anymore. Bills of exchange, stuff like that. They have to. So it starts with this. You get a bill, right, which is just a coupon. You don'tarize it. You do all your stuff. You can create a bill of exchange or a promissory note or whatever. You send that certified mail to the company. Notice to principle, same thing as we just discussed. They can't say they didn't receive it. Now they're gonna say, first of all, they received it. That's one. Now if they don't accept it, that's against the law, but we don't we can still be honorable. Okay. Could you please just send me a letter back saying that you won't accept that form of payment? No problem. And we gotta get those in with the b's and get those to the IRS and let them know what's really going on.  

[03:48:58] Unknown:

Yeah. My my understanding is that they're just they've written policies against it. Again, it's all lawlessness. That's why my whole solution here   is, they can't   they cannot deny,   an IRS filing with these, ten ninety nine a, b, and c forms. And there's also another form that you can our duty to do those. We're the ones who are supposed to be doing those.   Well, yeah. We but the thing is is that that they the,   the IRS is creating their own ten ninety nine a. They're supposed to give us a copied c, and they're not giving us the copied c for that.   So they're again, they're not just it's it's total nondisclosure,  

[03:49:37] Unknown:

which is fraud, which is fraud. But the IRS is gonna be our friend, believe it or not. They don't work for the government. They're a side entity. They just want their money. And I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just saying that we need that's our the Federal Reserve, even more important. So the Federal Reserve and where your international bank, that's the case at. Once we it's you know, we have to set up trust and other and PMAs and a five zero eight altogether right now, contract together and doing humanitarian project while we're waiting   for our other truck, which we're gonna have umbrella under an irrevocable. Right? So the irrevocable private without even an I I or I I e I n. And then you have the revocable that's doing all the transmittal,   the five zero eight, the PMA. And if we all did those together like they're doing, we could squash this whole thing in very short time.  

You know?   We we well, they're in the private and indivisible and they're invisible,   and that's what we think to be. Right? I mean  

[03:50:38] Unknown:

I agree.  

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I love it. I love you all. They changed the law at will.  

[03:50:44] Unknown:

I'm sorry? They changed they changed the law at will.   It's whatever it is expedient for their purposes. It's out of necessity for them.  

[03:50:55] Unknown:

So Yeah. We we always take a pro bono. Right? My suggestion  

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is   that instead of using   like, the king   does not ask a serf to use his paperwork   to get his point across.   The king makes up his own paperwork   and tells them what the deal is, and that's what we should be doing. We shouldn't be using their stuff   to try to get out of their system.   We can use that. Okay. We are the kings and the queens.  

[03:51:26] Unknown:

We need to act like that. We need to take executor and executress of the office of your estate.   Like, they're the office of everything. Everything is the office of the office of. Well, we're the executor, the grantor, the beneficiaries, the trustees, all of them. I don't care. Well, what hey. I I wanted to I'm gonna let somebody finish, but I wanted to tell you the second part of what what I was really digging into if you guys wouldn't mind me telling you real quick as far as,   something I really I did a deep dive in. And and it starts with taking your birth certificate and having an authenticator. Right? Obviously, it's already authenticated.   And getting it into,   the probate office and petitioning them for a name change decree,   getting more of a royal name, if you will, and I'll tell you why. Because then we can have that then we got now we can bring that in as as now an entity that was never had a no never had a Social Security number, never was a debt slave. That is the entity trustee that I would like to have controlling my beneficiary, which is my living body and my family.  

You know? And,   I I think that if we set up that,   like a it's an it's an actual private express truck,   an account, well, where it's not interest bearing and so forth,   we will we will go into an equity court with that, and we have to   bring the claim,   that there was a fraudulent trust that was created, and we need to collapse it and and terminate all intermediate fiduciaries.   If anybody doesn't know fiduciary, it's just whoever   had is is they could go to jail if they don't honor what was taught what was discussed in the trust declaration, your your will and your wants.   You know?  

And,   I don't know. I could go on. I I I just go to a Federal Equity Corps, bring it, and and and and then have them you know, I'll even hold them harmless.   You you go ahead and you transfer. Take your time because you the bank and the federal bank and the, Federal Reserve is gonna take their little time,   to get all that that, those those CUSIP numbers together and and cancel out the master file. It'll take about sixty, ninety days.   And then they can get it over into my trust. If it takes longer than that, that's fine. But I'll hold them harmless.   I mean, I don't know what the IRS is gonna do to them because they're they're probably gonna go for tax evasion, but that's up to God. I but I'll hold them harmless as long as you transfer every one of my cert certifi certificates and uncertificates,   and there's a big difference there. You can find that out in the UCC code I gave you. And,   basically,   I just lost my train of thought. I apologize. I'm almost done too. Damn it. Give me one second.  

So you take those so we want all those transferred to our new trust account.   And,   you know, basically, we're not asking for nothing that's not ours. It wasn't ours. I mean, it's it's in our name. It wasn't ours, but we have entitlement to it. So I want those all transferred over. And then, in the in the public side of things, you never mess with me or any of my beneficiaries or family for eternity, and I'll hold you harmless. I'll I'll I'll yes. The law of my card just once those two things are done. Yeah. I mean, how about walking in honor? That's how can you how else do you walk in better honor? Right?   Just bring the claim. Anyways, I keep thank you.  

Does anybody did any Julie, did you did you think that you did you see where I'm going with that?   Now I have   a a guy who's an entity.   I'm sorry. Go ahead.  

[03:55:01] Unknown:

No. I was trying to find my notes, and I can't find them because my,   office is just an absolute disaster. But there was somebody who did go to   probate court,   to take over their minor account.   And I've made notes on it, and I can't find them. I and I haven't got their minor I'm sorry. They took over their minor's account, or they they petitioned them for a name decree?   For the birth certificate? It was it was to take,   I think Matt has actually changed his name,   in court, but this person would actually take over their,   all caps name as they were given   All cast cast name as a living, breathing person. They took in a what you just discussed,   a certified,   copy of the birth certificate.  

They actually took,   over took in actually a living will   to show the court that they were actually a living, breathing,   man. Yep. And they did a bunch of other things, and I took notes on it, and I can't remember. And, Oh, I hope you find those notes. Do you want me to send over a cleaner?   The bar attorney,   had So it's still have absolutely   no   no,   they have no,   jurisdiction or whatever over an all caps name over probate is what he said.  

[03:56:19] Unknown:

Yeah. We're still in probate because we're still kids. We're still kid. Well, not us. But, you know, we're still It has to do with family matters.   Yeah. Yeah. Probate is for We're we're backwards. We're a little backwards. All of our birth certificates that have your mother's maiden name and your father even if they were married. We're all we were all it was just our mother that became the informant. The dad was just there for   I mean, that and it's it's quite frankly, nobody's ever been legally married,   you know, unless it was spiritually,   through God or whatever. I mean, these are all just bonds. Escrow, everything in court is an escrow. Everything has a CUSIP number. Everything is a trust. Everything is a bond.  

These aren't bills coming in their coupon.   There's no negative sign on them. There's a positive.  

[03:57:03] Unknown:

Securities and contracts  

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governs everything. That's right. Everything.   Yes.  

[03:57:09] Unknown:

The nineteen o seven Birth Registration   Act.   And Yes.   Mhmm.   So those are the three things that he took in there   to, correct the record.  

[03:57:26] Unknown:

Okay. Could you repeat those again? Sorry.  

[03:57:32] Unknown:

His birth certificate, his live birth  

[03:57:35] Unknown:

live birth Certificate of life birth. Make sure everybody  

[03:57:38] Unknown:

Yes.   Right. I appreciate that. Yep.   Nineteen o seven Birth Registration  

[03:57:44] Unknown:

Act. Killer. You don't need that one. I'm gonna look into that one today.  

[03:57:49] Unknown:

Well, now Julie found something that furthered that. And, actually,   the birth certificates   didn't actually start being,   created until nineteen twenty, twenty one.   And you'll find that these things, these acts   happen not just here in America,   Ireland,   Scotland. The whole world.   Correct.  

[03:58:13] Unknown:

The Western world. Right. But if the president didn't think about the if the president didn't go with their plans, they made them out to be a terrorist when the people really loved them, and then they and they and they opt them just like half the stuff that happens around here. It was created for the 12 tribes of Jacob Israel.   That's correct.   I don't I mean, I I don't not against Jews. I'm against fake Jews.  

[03:58:37] Unknown:

So, what you're proving in probate court is that you're living.   And so,   they assumed that the birth wasn't live unless the record is corrected   is my understanding. And somebody had brought that forth, I think George from Idaho, a year ago,   about having to set the record   straight   that,  

[03:59:03] Unknown:

you're alive. And that's what the living will does as well. That truly makes sense because you're still keeping it local, and I still think local is most powerful. So that really does make sense. Well, why are we going to a federal equity court? Why don't we? That sounds like it would be a way you could do it more local. That makes sense.  

[03:59:19] Unknown:

Right. And go to the probate court in your county Correct. Where   you were brought into this world.  

[03:59:27] Unknown:

That's where that entity's trust is set up. They are the ones who are accountable. They're the guardianship and custodians of our records. They're they're custodians of their own and don't even know it. How how bad do you feel for them? It's almost as a feeling as bad as a bank teller.  

[03:59:43] Unknown:

Are you guys there?  

[03:59:45] Unknown:

Yeah. I'm just hogging the whole talk. Sorry.  

[03:59:51] Unknown:

Yeah. Broads told declaration of independence is a local matter, and it's about probating your will   and returning back to the republic. And it's a legal form that you put in a   local paper of record   and publish it for whatever   the published time in your state or county is,   and that takes you out locally.  

[04:00:14] Unknown:

Can you hear me?   Yes, Julie. Yeah. So, I found my notes. So this guy went into   probate court to claim his estate.   With him, he brought a certificate of live birth that was certified.   He brought in the nineteen o seven Birth Registration   Act, the fourth paragraph,   which again goes back to what Sherry was reiterating about title 31 CFR.   He brought that in   and,   he basically said he was claiming his decedent estate.   And when he walked into the courtroom,   he told the judge.   First, what he did was he went to the Foreign Agent Registration   Act as of 1938   as amended. There's a database that you can put the judge's name in to see if they have filed   there because if they have not   then   via the court case United States v. Holter it says that all judges are public officers and public servants. And so   he did that first. And he also, like I said, he brought those three things in with him. And the first thing he asked the, judge was, is there an estate being administered   here in this case today?  

And, of course, the judge is gonna say, I don't have to answer those questions.   And, that's where he brought in the Foreign Agent Registration   Act. And he said, well,   you're not a foreign agent because I just put your name under the database that says you're not a foreign agent. So if you're not a foreign agent, then according to The United States versus Holter case, you're a public officer and a public servant.   And,   over the trustees   of which I am, and you have to answer my question.   So,   he basically went in there to claim his property and make a claim with his all caps name,   and that's exactly what he did. Now he did say that some of the people some of the judges now are running off the bench when you do this.  



[04:02:24] Unknown:

So Yes. I had a judge jump ship. They'll jump ship. And all you do is you say, for the record, let the record be known that all well, we're not gonna be in this recording anymore, but, let the record be known that all all assumptions and presumptions and all all claims that your state is the state is bringing to me are are null and void at this moment. And you have to pay it three times, and then they'll you know, then you let the bailiff know as nice as you can that if you put me in cuffs, you're just going towards their duties. You're gonna be you're you're just being told what to do. You're going against your oath. So, unfortunately,   you'll have to be a part of this, but you can wrap me up and illegally,   kidnap me right now and put me in jail. It happened to me for a traffic ticket. I beat. He didn't like the way I was talking because he runs the county, he said.  

So I took, you know, my four hours in there, and guess what? I thought I I said, okay. So you wanna talk now? I thought you wanted to wait for people to leave the court. No. You you're all set. She said nothing. You owe nothing. If it gives it's off your record. You know, warrant I have no criminal background, but warrant, Anya for not complying in the beginning, which was my fault. We shouldn't be sleeping on it. I should've took care of it right away. But I had a a stupid warrant. Pops came to my house. The cops can lie to us, but we can't lie to them. But they're looking for a different entity than me. I don't open the door. I record what's the issue. Is there an emergency? Right? I went to high school with these cops. Right? And they came up in an unmarked car with a warrant. Right? He's over the stupid $50, I didn't have my, license.   And   I went to high school. They know I'm this name. And I said, no. You got the wrong entity. I'm not who you're who who you're looking for. Leave the paperwork down there, and I'll make sure that they receive it.  

I'm not lying to them. I'm not the entity they're looking for.   Right?   K. I'm sorry. Just and they left.   And then I went right into court and quashed the whole shit. But that was my little story on that.  

[04:04:15] Unknown:

There's a,   this guy also,   and I don't quite understand this. Sherry, you might understand this better than I, but,   when he goes to court,   he goes to the National Archives and gets a certified copy of the 1791   Bill of Rights and the 1787   constitution   and brings in a   pre 1935   gold   coin that was minted   in The United States.   And he tells the judge that it's,   his political choice of law.   And he hears all of three of these things   to the bailiff and he tells   the bailiff that,   for any objections in court, please present this into evidence. And so he says exhibit a. He says for the record, hey, judge, I'd like to invoke my own political choice of law.   Here's exhibit a.  

Exhibit a is my,   certified '19 1791   Bill of Rights. Exhibit b is my,   1787   constitution.   And he hands it to the bailiff, and he goes, I wanna submit this into evidence as my political choice of law over any objections.   And, the judge will try to argue, and he always cites Marbury   versus Madison. And in that case, you have two choices. You can decide   a case by law or constitution,   and he always says constitution.   And then he brings in the public law 88 dash two forty three, which is the uniform commercial code one dash one zero five, called the sever severability   clause,   that you have the right to do that.  

And he also made the statement that the person is the office. The person is the subject,   unless you're not a fourteenth   amendment citizen anymore.   And he said one thing that will really piss the judge off is that if you go to court, there's always a flag to the right of the judge with three fringe yellow sides.   And that doesn't mean we're captured. It's a vessel.   That's the flag. And so he goes to Amazon and gets absolutely correct. Merchant merchant. Well, yeah. Admiralty. Yes. Beautiful. He goes to Amazon, and he gets a civil peace, flag, and he drapes it over his shirt or he drapes it over his neck.   And the flag is a sovereign peace flag and and they don't the judges don't like that when they see people walk in because they are assuming that you're,   they're assuming that you know all of the joke all of the the the poker cards that they're gonna play. And a lot of times, the judge will just get off the bench and then dismiss the case because he doesn't want anything on the record   that somebody else could  

[04:07:08] Unknown:

Yeah. They're cryberry they're crybabies on the on the record and when there's people in the audience. We want everything to be in their back chambers. We wanna be in private. Absolutely.  

[04:07:21] Unknown:

And,   that's biblical too.   What it's   noted as in scripture is a banner.   It's only a flag when it's flying on a pole which   signifies   war,   a controversy.  

[04:07:40] Unknown:

No. No. No group. This happens every forty, fifty years. I don't think anybody's come to our level. But they always do they'll they'll put, they're trying to have civil unrest right now. That's when they win. They want us to fight each other. They want us to argue. They want us to get into race wars. They want us to try to fight the government. There's nothing wrong with the way things are set up. We're just not using it properly.  

[04:08:01] Unknown:

I   I agree.  

[04:08:05] Unknown:

We don't have any is neither than the sword. Sovereign citizens. What's next? I'm neither one. All of a sudden, you see Harvard put something from ten years or twenty thirty years ago on YouTube   talking about,   getting people riled up, acting like they're trying to save us. And they're getting people, like, oh, this is what they did back in the day. Like, this is what we need to come together and do.   And people can set up their own. Look at you know, and but that tells,   that tells a lot. It tells you every way to set up your own your own your own,   your own your own thing, man. Your militia. Militia is not a bad word. Your own your own your own government. Whatever you wanna call it, man. We we have the right to do that. It just takes Your own household. Two of us talking on the phone.  

We gotta get this together, man.  

[04:09:01] Unknown:

Well, it's gonna take me a lifetime   to educate it on how their system works.   So I stay the proceedings.   I don't know. I stay the proceedings   so I can be fully   informed   about the nature   and cause of the proceedings.   I object   That's your right. You appeal.   Yes. Sixth amendment.  

[04:09:28] Unknown:

Absolutely.   A national's right. Can you believe that I have to put together a content created video because I honor these auditors and everybody or anybody who's trying to handle themselves from the side of the road? But I literally have to do a video saying this is to all auditors. I honor you, and I like what you're doing. But if you're a federal fourth amendment US citizen, you have no rights. There may be a confusion with the with the side of the road sometimes not being in your best interest. But you're all you're gonna lose 99% of the time in court because you're you had no rights but residency.   You know? And may wait till they find it out. That's gonna be a big one. How do I do it without pissing them off? I've been you guys ever hear of the guy, here's the deal?  



[04:10:12] Unknown:

I have.  

[04:10:14] Unknown:

Yeah. So I've been emailing him. I'm trying to get somebody like that. I mean, that other one in New York there's that's got his mouth spit in by that cop. That cop just got arrested, by the way. That state cop in Connecticut,   for spitting on that New York. What is it? New York,   auditor.   What is it? Long Island auditor.   So he's,   I'm really trying to,   get a get the word out with him because I have reached but every time I hit 7,000 followers on my TikTok or whatever, they with no blocks or nothing, they they they shut down my account where I can't even fight for it back. So that happened DWG one, original, DWG honor two. Now I'm on three. And and and it's like, I just gave up on trying. I'm not you know, people will find me when they want. God's gonna let the people that need to know know, and the other ones we have to let go. I think we have to stay in the moment with good discernment, with a decal swipe in Animal Land, grounding, hugging trees, not giving a shit about what the world thinks about.  

[04:11:13] Unknown:

Who am I speaking to? You sound like, you sound like Patriot Streetfighter,   John, Scott McKay.   He has 39 YouTube channels that he kept having to delete because they kept deleting him for all the shows. He finally gave up, and he's now just on Rumble.  

[04:11:29] Unknown:

Yeah. It's love, honesty, and truth. They they they don't like it. They would rather have these dancing people dancing naked and little kids, and they get a million followers. So they're painting their nails and they're they have, the the pro Apple Pro thing. Okay? He's so funny. He's so funny. He calls everybody forking at forking arses.  

[04:11:49] Unknown:

Quick comment.  

[04:11:52] Unknown:

You might   go to   Susan Bassi,   b a s s I,   and she's on YouTube,   and she audits courts   and judges.   And she might be an avenue   we tried earlier.   Well, we didn't really try.   But   she might be an avenue to expose   this message.   It's Susan Bassi   on YouTube.  

[04:12:26] Unknown:

Yes. And lady Linda  

[04:12:29] Unknown:

lady Linda wants me to re oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead. No. Is that c for cat, c as in cat, a f s I, Susan?  

[04:12:37] Unknown:

Susan.  

[04:12:39] Unknown:

She started off in, she started off in California. Right? She kept going she's gonna see the   Yes. Yeah. Yeah. She's cool. Yep.   Put a lot of people behind bars. It's  

[04:12:50] Unknown:

I don't know how to spell Susan,   but Bassi, b a s s I.  

[04:12:55] Unknown:

Yep. Yep. Yep. And, Julie,  

[04:12:59] Unknown:

I I would encourage you specifically because you're a woman and she's a woman, and she deals with a lot of women's,   being abused by the courts.   You might be able to get some leeway with her by you.  

[04:13:13] Unknown:

Hey, guys. Lynn lady Linda wants me to read something for y'all. Okay?   So she said on 05/03/1940,   president Franklin d Roosevelt signed a joint resolution that established   I am an American   citizenship day. In the proclamation,   he referred to the nation's   sovereign citizen.   The statement and the holiday celebrated American citizenship responsibilities   and are unrelated to the anti government sovereign citizen movement that emerged later.   1940   proclamation of citizenship. The context.   At the urging of William Randolph Hearst, congress   designated the third Sunday in May as a I am an American day.  

The aim was to celebrate naturalized immigrant and newly,   eligible young voters. Beautiful.   Young voters that are actually count. Yeah. Roosevelt did she just finishes with Roosevelt's   message in the proclamation. Roosevelt said the day was created so the sovereign citizens of our nation be prepared for the responsibilities   and impressed   with the significance   of the let's see. I only see the top part of it. Oh,   I can look it up. It's May just so you guys can look up, May 4   05/04/1940,   FDR's proclamation.  

[04:14:34] Unknown:

I have   I have   05/03/1940,   and it's public law,   hyphen   c h s, capital letters,   period,   one eight three   comma   one eight   four   hyphen   May 05/03/1940.   And that's a public law.  

[04:15:01] Unknown:

I yield.  

[04:15:02] Unknown:

Yes.   Yes.   This is awesome.   I love somebody in the chat. This is the excitement we got in the chat, guys. Are you ready? When do we see this excitement?   Amen. Amen. Amen. I'm so glad to hear this being openly promoted here finally.  

[04:15:19] Unknown:

Right? Sketch. Right? Let me read that. Free.  

[04:15:22] Unknown:

Can can somebody sketch and read that public law?  

[04:15:26] Unknown:

Oh, yeah. It's it's what he said. It says,   okay. This is   the preamble.   That's all I'll read.   Whereas some 2,000,000 young men and women   in The United States each year reach the age of 21 years,   and whereas   it is desirable   that the sovereign citizen   of our nation   be prepared for the responsibilities   and impressed with the significance   of their status in their own no. In their   in our   self governing   republic.   Therefore, be it   Resolved   by the senate or the house of representatives. I won't read anymore.  

[04:16:17] Unknown:

He was getting ready to send them into   he was getting ready to send them into the second World War. That's how I read that.   Sovereign citizens,   that's an oxymoron.  

[04:16:31] Unknown:

May I It just it just might be a third way. Yes.  

[04:16:36] Unknown:

There's,   there's something that's written on that, though, as well. So you use that. Just know   AI has interjected.   Well, the sovereign citizen movement,   which if you know that term, you know it came from the Southern Poverty Law Center.   While the sovereign citizen movement uses a quote attributed to a 1940   Franklin Roosevelt   proclamation.   The quote is taken out of its original   context.   FDR statement referred to the responsibilities   of American citizens   within the country's self governing republic,   not the anti government ideology   promoted by the sovereign citizen movement.  

So now you've got that. So if someone's looking it up, you know,   you know, they're taking,   you know,   they'll take that into consideration   as well.   It's crazy   what they're doing to us.   Are you?  

[04:17:46] Unknown:

Just remember,   Rosenfeld   implemented   the colonel house letter to Wilson.   Yep.   And he stole the gold.  

[04:18:00] Unknown:

Who is that young lady who was just speaking?  

[04:18:04] Unknown:

Cheryl.  

[04:18:05] Unknown:

Hey, Cheryl. It's Todd. So it's just that's just that much more of what I love to say. It's like one of the two hardest lessons I've learned in, I think, ten years now of doing this is,   first that I had to,   I had to, you know, I had to love   and take care of myself before I could take care of my family and many more. And I was trying to take care and help help everybody else.   And I that was a hard lesson because I you know, that was a tough one. And then the other one is holding them harmless because they either have sold or don't. So there's no reason to get personally involved emotionally. Like, it's like fighting with your neighbor. Even if even if they're wrong, go and make up with them so you can go home selfishly and not have to live in that. You can live right in the moment.   You know? Like, I just forgiven for I know what they are doing, but I can only focus on fixing it.  



[04:18:54] Unknown:

Mhmm. Right. Right. Good.   Awesome.  

[04:19:00] Unknown:

And how do we fix it? We watch what we're putting in and on our vessel and what we're spiritually thinking and how much we're thanking mother earth and and our maker, whoever your higher power is. I choose mine to be Jesus Christ and God, and I don't care if those are the right names. I call him father. He's the only father. How about that? And then I say sorry to my dad who's passed, but he didn't because he's right with me because we're energy. And I my dad has to be dad because I only have one father.  

[04:19:26] Unknown:

Right.  

[04:19:28] Unknown:

I mean, he's a good dad.  

[04:19:30] Unknown:

Yeah. I just love this. How many people do we have involved in this?   Julian, everybody.   This is the the it's the this is the immediate information that has to be discussed.  

[04:19:44] Unknown:

Well, I mean, we've been on the show talking about this for a while, that's on the after show, because I think, actually,   the person who gets all the credit   for spurring this movement on is Sketch because well, at least for me, he gets the credit because when he was on the Roger show one day,   Roger bit his head off,   for mentioning the SESTA KB trust in the all caps name. But what actually happened was he wasn't the one who brought it up. Somebody else brought it up and he was just making up he was just making a comment on it.   And, and anyway,   he just got lashed out. He got got 25,000   lashes that day. So after   that was over and we were in the after show, that just brought up the huge discussion and then we just all slowly started getting in on this. But   where we started was we were trying to pay our bills using the acceptance for value and the bills of exchange.  

And   I know that people had success with that in the past, but my understanding now is that it doesn't work anymore   because   it was working and   hit them,   hit them with the ten ninety nine A, B and C form. So okay. Here's what I have here for notes that I took and I actually have somebody else's banker's box who actually got sued by the IRS and has gave me all of his information, his individual master files, all the   lawyers and stuff that he used before for this stuff. It says right now that,   he says okay. So you should be able to send a bill of exchange or something acceptance for value and give it to the indenture trustee to do the set off.   However,   it's not going to work anymore because the courts, the banks and the government agencies don't want to accept any type of negotiable instrument from you even though they are committing commercial fraud. They're obligated to take it. They have they have what they've done now is written policies   so strongly against your ability   to do this that it's not worth the time to do it anymore.  

Because what will happen is that eventually you'll end up litigating,   in court with them.  

[04:22:11] Unknown:

And what's that gonna get you? International comes into play.  

[04:22:15] Unknown:

Yeah. Well, I'm being told that it's faster and easier to just go to the IRS and use their ledger because that's they owe The IRS has everything we need.   Yeah. It's so much faster to just go get, go go to the IRS and do these ten ninety nine a, b, and c. Now in some cases, you can do an OID,   but that'd be very clear. Original original,  

[04:22:38] Unknown:

discount. Yep.  

[04:22:39] Unknown:

Yeah. It's, I know some people who are in jail for doing this.  

[04:22:43] Unknown:

Well, if you do it wrong, you are gonna go to jail.  

[04:22:46] Unknown:

Yep.  

[04:22:47] Unknown:

So don't do the OID, but try the a, b, and c if you do the purposes. This is not standard purposes only, but this is not legal advice, nor is this any kind of,   health advice. You always should do your own research and discernment through all of this. Nothing I said. That was just all my own opinion.   I I didn't I'd I I would never want somebody to take my personal   opinions of anything without doing a due diligence discernment in it.   And stop paying people for other things because they wouldn't be charging you fiat money if they had the code down. Okay?   Unless you wanna pay for little courses that are here and that, people do deserve. We are in a commerce day. Right? It's all no. They always get us scared by saying, oh, you can't you can't do public and private. You don't wanna mix them. That's that's really not that true. You're gonna actually live in the private and control the public   honorably. If you're doing business with The United States, you'll follow their laws.  

The only difference is, the with all the things that we're doing is is helping people. So it'll be obviously tax exempt. It will be tax reporting quarterly with our ledgers,   taking care of all of our beneficiaries where that will be a check sent back to our trust account instead of getting a bill in the mail. We're not we're not we're not taxpayers. We're tax reporters.  

[04:24:01] Unknown:

I know that,   in the past, the lady who was just on the phone, she's very nice. Her name is Cheryl.   I know she had some substance. I sorry. I know she had some,   she had a lot of,   what do you call the word?  

[04:24:19] Unknown:

Her she had  

[04:24:20] Unknown:

she had a lot of oh my god. I can't believe I Remedy? Thinking that. Now she had a lot of success. She had a ton of success turning her  

[04:24:29] Unknown:

stuff remittances and the bill bills of exchange and stuff. I don't know if it's still working for me. They were doing it they were doing it for every yeah. They were doing it a lot. Now they've slowed down a lot.   Yeah.  

[04:24:41] Unknown:

Well, my understanding is just that they've they've they've done unlawful  

[04:24:46] Unknown:

policies now, and they're not accepting anything. And, But who but my question is this. Who did   the the IRS or or or the other foreign entity?  

[04:24:56] Unknown:

You need to use the aggregation of gold,   that's in this,   statute at large, and it is a be it enacted.   Be it enacted makes it law.   Abrogation   of gold. Everybody talks about that public law that was just a discussion,   and they they killed that   totally. But if you go into the statute at large and get the abrogation   of gold clause, and that was Roosevelt.   Beautiful. He he had to give you a remedy when he took your gold.  

[04:25:33] Unknown:

Well, he did. Yeah. They did. The surety yeah. With yeah. Exactly.   The gold right. The surety bonds, man. Hold harmless agreements.   That's what the treasury is not you know, that's what, you know, that's what they want. They want the surety bonds sent out to the federal treasury to take care of all debt. What's all debt? Well, all current debt, all that money that people 89% of the country thinks is money we owe, well, then it's really ours. It's our currency, not money. But it it's,   yeah. That that that's our currency. We the minute people stop paying bills with bills and getting out loans,   and start doing things like this, we'll start bringing the debt clock down and not until then.  

But the security bond, I think you mean. Right? Like, they put together a security bond. I I heard a couple people had good success with sending that with a hold harmless agreement to the treasury.   And,   you know, making the charity bond with, like, let's say, 21. There's some biblical thing with 21 silver dollars, $3.19 33,   making a sturdy bond for you don't have to be greedy, just a billion or something.   And send that to,   to to, pay to the order of the United States Treasury   and hold them harmless as long as they just take care of all of our debts, and that means all debts we create in the future   until you until you turn this shit around and make it legal   or lawful, if I will.  

I don't want any part of this. I the only way I can take care of obligations is with a bill of exchange, so I don't contract anymore. I'm real I'm ready. I want a contract with you guys where we both are agreeing on we're fiduciary, and we're we're agreeing on what we're doing, and everything has to go that way. So if I make it a contract with one of you   and, we have a nice contract and it'll   set up properly.   Now if they switch me out or hurt me or I start acting different and weird, that's why I'm a fiduciary.   That means that I'm I'm not following the plans anymore. I mean, so I gotta go out of this. I got, you know, go to jail.  

You know? Ty? Yeah.  

[04:27:34] Unknown:

The funny thing I've heard right now, these people are just so incredibly flawless is that   I have heard that there are some people who have actually taken over their trust or their their their securities.   Their minor their minor their minor estate, whatever you want to call it. Yeah. Yeah. And   these globalists   are just going back out and reissuing   securities back with your using your That's all they know what to they all that's all they know how to do. Using new QSIP numbers. I'm like and they have actually been caught.   And, again, nobody's going to jail because these people are all blackmailed and all in in in on this Right. That is one of the biggest things besides harvesting and and and children's stuff is,  

[04:28:20] Unknown:

that's the biggest business in the world. Yep? Yep. K? Yep.   Yep. Everything has a QSIP number. So back in 02/2019,   a lot of you guys might have remembered when they had that girl Hollywood. That's where I met Kim, Mary, Peter, became good friends with her. They were doing the w four channel. I'm sure you guys remember that on Telegram?   Anybody? So I would so anyways, I showed them how to use their social to go into the TD account and and get their, Fidelity account where it's not theirs, but you could see who's handling it, what the stickers at, and all your QSIPs and everything. And luckily, when somebody went I that I I sold somebody that, a Hollywooder or lawyer or somebody.   I don't think it was either of them. But somebody brought it to YouTube, so they stopped people from being able to do that. Luckily for me, I went back through my emails, and I saved myself a link. So I could go in there. I printed out all 160   pages of over 1,400   QSIP numbers. So,   you know, it's you could have the CUSIP numbers, but are you bringing the claim, and are you doing it honorably and doing it correctly? So even having the CUSIP people are trying to charge you to get you CUSIP numbers. That's so ridiculous.  

You could do that with the, with the,   with a open records request. That's all public knowledge.   FOIA request, Freedom of Information Act. We should be doing Freedom of Information Act and whistle blowing on every single thing that we see,   local, federal, whatever. We should be we should be sounding the horn.   Everybody should be doing it. It's your honor. If you don't do it, you're no better than the ones who are doing this to us.   I'm sorry. I just can go on.  

[04:29:59] Unknown:

You know, I totally agree that that, you know, it it's like,   we should have phone trees. We should have,   people hundreds and   and and literally thousands of people that bombard them with mail,   you know, because   by if we're not locking   arms to accomplish it,   we'll never accomplish it. They're not listening to one person. But if a thousand people are telling them or a thousand people are calling them, it's a whole different ballgame.  

[04:30:35] Unknown:

Absolutely. Yeah. So so, you know, we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we the more of us that are doing it.   The thing is is that   there's, you know, we again, here's another thing. I stopped thinking about now all the ones that I don't think are gonna do it, and now I'm focusing on the ones that will. I don't care if they're my blood or somebody else. I will make I'll have a fiduciary with the all caps name for my nephew if he's still playing video games. And and and he'll be in that in that role as a beneficiary with his all caps name until I can nurture him to finding out what's the most important. Take care of all his stress, make sure he's healthy. And then once he has a little money in his pocket, maybe a little car, and he keeps coming along and doing the right thing, then,   then he can get more things. He's I've gotta do the research, though. So I I'll help my lady, Linda, or you guys,   or I'll try to learn from you and and wanna work with you even more than my own blood. So it's you know, we are blood. We're all brothers and sisters.  



[04:31:43] Unknown:

Right. But we should be organized   so that you know, when when we find,   something is out of order,   all of us are are   hitting them up. Where you're going. Yeah. Yeah. It it it it you we're not organized.   One one person hears it and says, oh, I need to do that, and they do it. But then but but it should be hundreds of us are doing it. Thousands of doing it. And Sounds like a big, big truck to me. Sounds like a big truck that I it sounds like a five zero eight I would love to have under my irrevocable, unpurfable truck  

[04:32:17] Unknown:

and have all of you guys in it. And every time we talk in a Zoom, we call it our minutes meeting. Is all is everything being set? Is everything being taken care of? Are all the beneficiaries taken care of? Alright. Board of trustees, did you agree on this contract? Yes. Okay. Send it through. Let's get the ledger correct. Let's get this ready. If they come knocking on the door, we can say, IRS, we got this all unlocked.  

[04:32:37] Unknown:

Because   there's strength in numbers   always.   Always.   It used to be if one person did something, you know, to a senator or congressman,   they'd say, oh, if one person's doing this, there's at least a 100 who know about this.   Well, you know, but they don't know that for sure, and I think they discounted it now.   You know, COVID COVID was   was put on the planet   to make sure you won't talk to your neighbor.   And  

[04:33:23] Unknown:

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[04:34:14] Unknown:

Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.