In this episode, host Roger Sayles discusses a wide range of topics, from the significance of mitochondrial support to the intricacies of national status and citizenship. The conversation touches on the complexities of the U.S. tax system, the importance of understanding one's political status, and the potential implications of being a national versus a U.S. citizen. Roger also shares insights into the financial system, emphasizing the value of tangible assets like gold and silver as a hedge against economic instability.
Listeners are introduced to various real-life scenarios, including a police officer's dilemma regarding national status and employment, and a father's legal battle over his daughter's medical decisions. The episode also features discussions on the importance of filing affidavits, the challenges of navigating legal systems, and the empowering nature of understanding one's rights and status. Throughout the episode, Roger and his guests provide valuable advice and personal anecdotes, making it a compelling listen for those interested in financial independence and personal sovereignty.
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Oh, yes. As would we, Alvin. Thank you very much for introducing us again for the God knows how month how many time, Saturday here at the Radio Ranch. Glad to have you with us. Roger Sales, your host on the August. We're approaching the end of, I guess, for many people, the end of the summer. So is, is Labor Day this coming weekend, or is it the following weekend? I think it's this coming weekend. Right?
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That's what I know.
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Yeah. Oh, man. Okay. Well, just speculating here. Anyway, we probably don't have many folks helping us out today, but it sure was good to see Andy show up yesterday. I'm glad he's getting through that little ordeal he's dealing with. So if there is anyone there that's helping us, Paul, would you please give him the proper, recognition and accolades?
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Paul? Come on. Oh, there you are. Okay. Oh, okay. Now I'm there. Alright. There.
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Yikes. Well, it's Saturday. Okay.
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Yeah. Yeah. It's I've I've only Of course. I've only got one way communications, so I can't monitor you on my computer. I'm monitoring you from the server, but I'm talking to you from my computer. I can talk to you, but you can't talk to me, and I'll be working that out during the show. So Okay. Anyways, we're on, eurofolkradio.com and Global Voice Radio Network. I am looking and Alan is not with us today, which No. Is not unreasonable. I really didn't expect him to be. And, our website is thematrixdocs.com. It is the matrixd0cs.com, where you can join us using free conference call, either by telephone, smartphone, tablet, landline, or computer.
So all the links are right there.
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That's all I've got, Raj. Alright. Well, why don't you go scurry off and see if you can get your technical stuff in in order? And sorry you're having those kind of situations, your technical trousers as Paul English likes to say. So anyway, in March with us, because I heard Mark already this morning. We had a little brief conversation. Morning, Mark. And Straw. Straw's over there in the corner. See if we can get him twitching during the next two hours somehow. Yeah. So, gosh, where do you start? Well, it's the old sidewall. It's a well, to me, we're about a week away from college football, and that is fantastic. So, something I look forward to every year. So, anyway, that's good news. And here at the August, we're still having although today looks pretty nice so far, we're still having our funky weather down here in Ecuador.
And, everything else is going along. Mark, how are you doing with your situation? You doing alright?
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Busy than a long tailed cat in a room of rocking chairs. Yeah, man. So I had to Keeping you busy. Breakfast gig this morning and and, and jump on here.
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Okay. Well, March got his hands full these days. A lot of people have their hands full these days. I can't become the head cook and and bottle washer. So Right. And and everything else that goes along with Yeah. Or there's is Paul messing with something? Or so it, I don't know of anything particularly on my mind this morning, that I was ripping and raring to talk about. The Saturday edition here is for, generally, for folks that work during the week and can't be with us and have questions or just wanna sit in on a a session of the Radio Ranch here and stuff. So I don't know if there's any of you folks.
It is kind of here for you. So if there's any of you that fit that criteria, please feel free to step forward. Is that someone right there? Step forward. Is that someone right there? Oh, no. It's some kind of I was just gonna tell you, Roger, the first college game is today at noon in England. Oh, good. What, what what game who's playing who and what time? It's at
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noon at noon. It's Kansas State and Iowa State. Just one game.
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Okay. Well, I guess there and then we got one Thursday night, I think, and then one Friday night, and then the rest of the bigger games are next weekend. So well, it's nice to see college football roll around again. It's the one area of our society that they really haven't been able to screw up yet with woke crap. They haven't been able to overcome the traditions. They haven't dissed anything. Although they're working on the pro game, now, starting this year, we've got every team has one faggot guy cheerleader. I don't know if y'all have heard that yet or not, but there's gonna be LBGT.
Some you know, the the well, I'll just those people are you know, they're intruding on the pro game, but they haven't done that to the college game yet. Of course,
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yet. I'm sure they will. Well, Roger, you know, I we did talk the other night about a potential question that I wanna bring forward, you know, once you Yes. We did. Past the introduction and so forth. So I just wanted to remind you Okay. Don't worry. I remember that.
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Okay. What else was I gonna talk? Something else was on my mind. About Cracker Barrel? I I don't know. What about Cracker Barrel? I haven't heard anything about the whole lot. I love Cracker Barrel.
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Well, you might like them a little less now. Are they They got one of these woke CEOs. They got a woke CEO, and they're redoing their their signature sign of the white guy, you know, in a chair with his elbow up against the barrel. Yeah. Well, they're removing all of that. And so it's just now cracker barrel, just the wording, And they've lost, I forgot how much in value like since this come out about a week ago. And, you know, they it was, I I think it was, like, a half a billion dollars in value they lost within, like, a week.
You know? CEO is kinda same thing with Bud Light. You know? They're gonna they're gonna put a a transgender on the cover of their their beer can. Right. And, so now Cracker Barrel's imploding and destroying themselves. So even though I mean, there were even even people who said, I don't go there, but I like their their old fashioned logo. You know? They knew it was all about kind of an old fashioned experience and the big rocking chairs on the outside and so forth. But they're really up in arms over this this changing the symbol. Well, I'm I'm iconic symbol of Cracker Barrel. Yeah. The the you know,
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when I was in the record business, and that's a long time ago, It's back in the nineteen seventies. And Cracker Barrel was just getting started. I don't know where the original one was, but, as they grew, they were all in the Southeast there. And, there was one, that was between Chattanooga and Knoxville about halfway, I think. And I would literally take trips to Knoxville so I could eat at Cracker Barrel on the way up and the way back. They used to have the the Yeah. Steak and eggs you ever put in your mouth, man. And so anyway, I'm sad to see that they're a they were a wonderful restaurant and oh, well, maybe the food hadn't been, adulterated anyhow, but they're this woke stuff's encroaching on every, on a lot of these types of situations, of course. Now the big thing that's out there right now is private equity. K?
I don't know if you've seen that gal. She's a little bubbly little thing. She's been on Harrison a couple of times, and then, they replayed her yesterday, I think, in the third hour, maybe not. Anyway, she's been on a couple of the hosts. Are you familiar with her, Mark, or private equity, or what's going on here?
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No. Is she the one that's exposing it? Yeah. She little glasses.
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Yeah. The the got it. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen her. Has she been on, like, Harrison show? Yes. Several several times. She was on again this week, actually.
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And She's really good. She's very good. And they had her on they had her on a prime time channel? What we A major network?
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I don't think I don't think she's been there. But she's been I've seen her on Alex and Harrison a couple of times, but this is real serious. Oh. Okay. And if you Yes. It is. If you don't know what's going on there, here's, the the private equity is basically strip mining wealth that's built up through business and generations. And they go especially franchise operations, evidently is very susceptible to them. And, they've put a couple of, well, Hooters Hooters, and the only Hooters that survived were the ones that were franchisees that owned the franchise, that that owned their own and weren't a franchisee, I guess.
So, and those, Hooters are still open. They've done it with a couple of other pretty major name, stores, and I can't remember all of them. Of course, I'm just hearing about it. But they go in and they, well, they're basically strip mining all the wealth out of these, out of these franchise and these corporations, and then they implode them. Even though the company may not be healthy because they're low what they're doing is loading them up with debt. They take them over, and then they load them up with debt, and then they try and get rid of it, I guess, before they have to pay that off. It's somewhat complex.
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Go ahead, Mark. And by me I don't think it's complex at all. Here's why. They're loading them up with debt, and they're taking out their profits. So, you know, on paper, they're making the company seem valuable again. They pull out their you know, they sell off their stock, and either somebody else buys them or they crash. And they they close the company. I think they did that with, I'm trying to think of the recent
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company they did that with. There was a fabric store and a couple of other big corporations. Of course, I hadn't been in the state. So What was the name of that? Joanne. Joanne. So yes. So that's how they're doing it. And the other thing, if you try and sue them, I say the complexity of it. If you try and sue them, they've got it rigged up now through arbitration where you can't take them to court. You agree to take them to arbitration. They control both the major arbitration companies, and the arbitration companies that are handling these cases, Mark, don't have to follow the law. That's part of it. Yeah. K? Guess what? So, it it's a it's a it's a big f f up. Okay?
What I was trying to get to without going into all that, there's a point I was trying to make here. Recently, they've been really pushing Trump to open up because they've run out of people to sell to. They're having to create secondary markets where they can sell to each other and stuff and keep the whole scam going. Okay? And so, they were running out of places to tap. And recently, in one of these executive orders, Trump gave him access to your pension funds. Yes. $15,000,000,000,000 worth of pension funds.
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Yes. No. Guess what?
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I, got your pension fund? Well, no.
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I was having problems with one of my computers due to that Microsoft update. And Yes. In the course of trying to repair it, I've tried to reinstall Windows on it. The very, very first screen that comes up where you have to accept the terms of service, the very first paragraph says, please make a note of the section one nineteen paragraph this, sentence such and such, binding you to binding arbitration and waiving your right to class action participation.
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There you go. Right there. Right there.
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On the headline paragraph, it sends you to that specific spot saying, you click this, you've got no remedy.
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Right. And they control the arbitrage. This is one thing this girl's trying to get them to do. She said if they just get the arbitrating companies, they they control both the two biggest ones. If they just get them to follow the law, it it almost rectified the whole problem. Okay. Anyway, that's what's going on. The point of me telling you all that is if you wanna watch some more of it, you can see some more details. If you're not aware of this on the third hour of, Harrison yesterday, I believe. But if you've got pension funds, they in the bill, what they did with this executive order, and I guess the legislature excuse me. My stomach's acting up. Legislation will follow.
Is they opened up on one side that you can take your pensions and invest them in cyber coins. And on the other side, they opened up all the pension funds to private equity, which is probably mostly generated and run by BlackRock or that little triangle of bandits. Anyway, it just goes to give you some insight into these people. They just can't stand to have any cash that they can't steal. They gotta have everything. K? And it's just it's so ridiculous. So the point being, if, for our folks, if any of you still do have pension funds, four zero one or whatever all those damn things are, I never put a penny into any of them because I knew they'd steal them eventually.
But the one move you could make right now is to get a hold of whoever you trust out there. There's several sources and get that, those fund amounts allocated over into metals. That would be the first of, Demir. Demir stepping on sidestepping there. So suggestion, anybody, you got pension funds? Do something to get the funds out of there. Of course, with our program, you could go ahead and pull the cash out if you don't have a cooperative. Of course, John Kasarab is the one who's a little more expertise in this than myself. But if, the most of them will want to, because they got a gun at their head, keep 30% of what you take out. I think that's usually the standard number, isn't it? 30%? And then next year and if you don't if you fight with them or they won't, adhere to your affidavit or your position, then next year, you just do what? A ten forty and r to get that back?
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Yeah. That's correct. And and the other thing too is I've we've had some people pulling money out of, like, $4.00 1 k's and just so they're not at risk. And they were able to inquire before they withdrew money about how they could do it where they would be the one responsible for paying the taxes. And I think there was, like, an additional form that they had to to file Oh, that'd be cool. With with the yeah. So That's a
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good run around for one front end.
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Yeah. Do it on the front end. Just say, hey, you know, I wanna pay the tax on this personally. You you know, do you have a form so I can pull this out? No. That's good. You know, without me paying tax on it upfront. Yeah. Yeah. So we've had some people successfully do that. I think a lot of it has to do with, you know, what company you're with. I don't mean the company you work for, but where your investment is being held, your four zero one k, whoever's holding that, IRA, all that stuff. Now with the IRA, they usually have you borrow the money and pay it back, but you can do a hard withdrawal of your funds and and pay the penalties for it. So, you know, your mileage may vary, but you can do a little research ahead of time and see what's best for you.
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Yeah. So, but you can see these things happening. They're attaching, letting the private equity, grubbers go in after all of the stored money that you've worked and saved for. And, and also do that, though. Pardon me? How can they legally get away with that? Well, it's fraud. But they've got all of the stops. You know? No or I can't go to court. You have to do arbitration. Arbitrators don't follow the law. Don't have to. All this, they just got you boxed in. It ought to be all fraud. Okay? But you can't go and sue them because they the way they got it set up. It's all these slick bastards, and you know who they are. I don't have to tell you who they are. And this is all they just like little weasels, little rats, as they've been characterized throughout history, especially at that last fifteen hundred years in Europe. That's what they're referred to as rats.
And and and they just like they go around and they just seek out anything they can steal or pull one of these financial scams where they can take the money out and give you worthless paper. Goes back to the, the speech, that if you ever do a search on congressman Louis d McFadden and his speeches, who we talk about around here, most people don't even know who the guy was. Okay? One of the greatest statesmen we've ever had up there. And, the speech you'll probably come up with if you do a search on him is the one where it says, the Jews have all the gold and the Gentiles have all the paper. Well, there it is right there. Okay? And they take they take this worthless paper they generate. I just heard about another one a minute ago. They're replaying Owen because he's out this week. And one of his shows on, on the the the International Monetary Fund during COVID, Mark, the International Monetary Fund put out 400 I don't know how much of bond issues on whether they'd be another epidemic or not.
And hundreds of millions of dollars and because there wasn't another epidemic that followed it out, the people that bought those bonds and they had to have several different subscriptions because so many people wanted them at 12% interest rate that the value of those bonds have gone from you had a 60 percent profit, now you got 10%. It's all these scams that these people run, and they know how to do it because they've been manipulating in in over these markets for so long. I'll give you an example. I heard a comment a while back. Very interesting. The Bitcoin market, when Bitcoin was invented, it's the first new market since the debt market in September.
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Wow.
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And That's that's amazing. One hundred years is the first new market out there. That's interesting, isn't it?
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Really is. It just it blows me away that, you know, I heard somebody say I was watching a video the other day, and they talked about debt, you know, being in debt. And and oh, I remember what it was. They were talking about how the the government, how it influences the economy. And then it said, all these businesses that if they can't borrow money, then they're going under. If you can't it was all about borrowing money. It's like, you know, the the they didn't want the government interfering with our ability to borrow money because that would tank the economy.
I'm like, do you even hear what you're saying? That's ridiculous. We're running off of a debt based economy. Debt based. And these bankers high up, international bankers have have implemented this game where they get all the funds, they convert it to, you know, real world assets. Right? They use paper currency, fiat, and and they they get everybody I mean, they're literally making gazillions of dollars off the sweat of our brow. Yep. Right? Yep. And and they and they inflate it. They you lose your value of the dollar. And meanwhile, Bob, they're raking it in because they got, you know, millions of people that are borrowing money, companies, and individuals.
They're making interest on top of interest, and then they take that that paper fiat currency while it's got some value, and they buy tangible assets Yep. Like gold and silver and farmland and Paintings. And, you know, stuff like that.
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Do what? Rare paintings.
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Yeah. That's kind of an inside game too. But, yeah. You know, so they're buying these tangible assets. They're gonna continue to increase in their value, and they get rid of that paper money and and put it back into circulation where they loan it back out. So it's it's when they say rat race, they're not joking. You're in that little wheel
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running your legs off trying to pay off debt. Right. And, you know, Mark, even if you win the rat race, you're still a rat.
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Yeah. Yeah. So that's what I love about what, your message, Roger. At least at least when it comes to our our political status, you know, you can get free from that, And and you can do it on your own. And and you can get out of debt and and limit any borrowing, and you can pay it off early Yep. And and take away their ability to make as you know, all the money that they make. You know, try to pay it off as quickly as you can. Yeah. And invest in some tangible assets. Yes. You know? Oh. It's just it it's not hard, but you gotta be disciplined about it. Yes. You know, you gotta have a plan. You gotta be disciplined about it. Well, that's why when you get the information in your mind and you understand these things, you can take movements and take
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and and roll the dice. You know? I I would say, that there's only two ways to control people either through debt or through force. Well, obviously, they've got a a a one whole thing on the debt with most people who are in debt here. And then they have this quasi tyrannical government that's based on all the stuff we study here that we know is a fraud to enforce that. Right. The one thing that really continues to be provocative, Oh, my stomach is you know, in the morning, I don't eat breakfast or anything. I just drink coffee and whatnot. My stomach starts hiccuping on me. So bear with me. It happens occasionally. One of the most provocative things to me about what we do, and I continue to think about it, is, because of this is fraud, everything they've acquired is all acquired fraudulently.
All this we own everything, and we own all these companies and all that, and we owe them all these trillions of dollars, that's all fraud. Yeah. All of it's all of it should be able to be taken away from them under the fraud that vitiates any contract ab initio. And so we've been on this fraud scale and maybe part of the reason you know, they're kind of freaked out about us, Mark. They don't know what to do about this. And you can see by the lack of action on the Fed or the IRS or any of these other people, they just flat don't know what to do with this because they can't do anything without showing who they are.
And, and then risk a lot of people getting informed about this and maybe the potential repercussions of that. They do lose everything they've acquired because they've been running on a fraudulent system for ninety three and a half years. All this great money and stuff and all these big bond piles, it's all fraud. Okay? So and and it's a part of this whole thing. Oh, I you know, the the thing about he this is you don't just sit down and get introduced to this and grasp it all. You gotta sit with this for a while and get all the different perspectives and parameters before you may even possibly approach the understanding that this is the tip of their entire power to apparate right here.
We've stolen their power. We've gotten our power back that they stole from us. Esau Edom's stealing his birthright back. And to get the whole picture on this, it just it takes a little time. I don't care how smart or how studied you are. And to sit with this for all these years, like I've been doing, to finally come to the realization that, hey. This is the this is everything right here we're dealing with. Everything that they got going comes from this right here, this little scam. And when they're when they're, presented with it, they can't do anything about it, but sit there silent.
Folks, that is powerful. I you you may be new around here, and you haven't gotten into putting all these peep things in place. And I totally understand that it takes a while. K? It's just not something you don't see the whole big picture immediately. You you gotta go in and see everything's opposites. Now you gotta go back and reverse your whole worldview to this new opposite thing. And you get this just takes time, you know? And that's the advantage I've got here as a teacher is I don't you don't have to wait thirty years to get the punch line here. I'm telling you what it is and cutting all of that time and and thinking and and and and seeing how things fit and connecting dots. I'm taking all that away from you.
So these are the important things. And the big important thing here is this is the crux of the fraudulent financial system. It's exactly what it is. Roger. Yeah. Just a second, Larry. Just a second. Just why he be just hold on. And and and So this is Mark. Yeah. Go ahead. I you say I'm on to something, and you guys insist on interrupting, and I lose it.
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K? I apologize. I thought you were done with your Oh, what?
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Okay. Go ahead. My Larry Larry, I think Waheed was wanting to say something in March there. Mark, you and I are in this conversation. So you go first.
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Well, what really opened my eyes, Roger, and this book is still available.
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It's called Billions for Bankers. Oh, yeah. And that's Sheldon Emory. It's for the people. Isn't that Sheldon Emory? Yeah. And it's
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yes. Yes. And he he was a a pastor in Kansas. And he wrote this amazing simple book Yep. With really, you know, basic, cartoon type of graphics
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or or,
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artwork in it. And when I read that, I think it was 1999. Yeah. I said, oh, hell no. I'm not playing this game no more. And that was,
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that was the last time I took a loan. And the front the front number getting more loans out. Is, is the capital with the big octopus coming up behind it with his tentacles coming around and grabbing everything. Isn't that right? Uh-uh. I think I have it right
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here. It's, no. It looks kinda like it's it's a a banker leaned back with money flowing all over the place, flying in the air, and it has, like, a stock market chart. And the banker's side is in the black, and it goes up, up, up every year. And then in the bottom half, it's got people working. Got a farmer, got a carpenter, looks like some kind of businessman at a desk, and I can't make up. Oh, here's a a lady pouring coffee, a waitress, truck driver. And and they have an equal bar, but it's red. So it starts out in $19.30 on the graphic.
It's a small red line and above it is the bankers money in small black. And every year it gets it gets taller and taller and then more in debt and it goes up to their point like it 2,000.
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Very accurate. He really understood. He got the overall picture. He just doesn't have the specific. Sheldon Emery, if you don't know who he was, was the guy that just about trained all of our identity preachers, pastor Peters, Ted Wylan, James Bruckerman, his there's a guy up in Northern Idaho. I can't his name escapes me at the moment. He's married to Sheldon Emery's daughter. Dave Barley, I think is his name. So all of these identity pastors were trained off of Sheldon Emery. Amazing insight that guy had. Okay. Larry, you were trying to say book is only like
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that book, by the way, it's not it's not huge. No. You can sit down and read this fairly quickly. I think I read it just in, a day. Yeah. The bulk of it because they do have some references in the back. It's about 57 pages. And you can find it for free online. And he he gave away his copyright. So all he asked is that you, if you use his his book, that you print it in its entirety. Yeah. That's all he asked. There you go. Good. Another great rep. Bankers, debts for people. Mhmm. Please read it. If you don't understand the banking system, it's a great place to start. It's a very good,
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there's another one of those reference books from decades ago. Larry, what you got?
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Yeah. I got on,
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eight minutes after the show started, and you're talking about how they want to steal the pension funds. And I take it that they is referring to the banksters. Now do you have that right as far as the pension funds? Because you have the you have, pension funds and you have four zero one k's. Do you mean that they wanna steal the four zero one k's
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or the pension funds for both? I think they've got access to all of them from what, that gal was saying yesterday. You can go check it out and hear what she's got to say. She was in the third hour of Harrison she'd been on before. Very sharp young woman that really has brought all this to the forefront. And, she, she understands it very well. Okay? And it is somewhat confusing when you get into the mechanics of how these private equity guys work and the way it's structured, and they have to always sell it to somebody else. And what's gonna happen according to her, because now they've gotten to a point without dipping into your pensions where they can't find any other buyers. They've had to create a, a false secondary market for themselves just to keep things afloat.
And you can hear her explain that. I don't know if I could, but regardless they've run out of people to sell to. And so they go through and you complete a contract and then you got to sell it to somebody else. And what she was saying was that they'll tell you on your pension funds that you've got this wonderful new thing coming and you'll see your pension amount go up considerably. And it'll go up three times until the third time, and there's nobody to sell it to, and then it crashes. So just beware. If you got any funds and a pension fund of any sort, it would be very prudent of you to stay on top of this and understand it and make an intelligent decision, which seems to be either taking all the cash out and investing it. Or if you can't or don't wanna do that, you can find these places that can convert your amounts over into gold and silver. And I believe you'd be protected that way also.
So, I'm just trying to give a warning, Larry. K? It's coming. They're they're they're they're getting ready to crash everything, but they haven't stolen everything yet. And this is probably one of the last vestiges where they can go in and steal stuff. Okay? Now when you were over there, was that Waheed that was trying to say something earlier when you were, Larry? Waheed, are you out there wanting to say something that sounded like you? Who was the other fellow when Larry was trying to say something a minute ago that was trying to also I think that was me, Roger. Oh, was you? I think that was me. Anyway, that's out there. It's a potentially huge problem.
I never set up one of those stupid pension funds because I knew even back in the nineties that some bitches had steal it all. So, anyway, I just took I had a a couple of years there where I had just really wonderful cash flow. I had no expenses, no overhead, and nothing but profits coming off of that silver lawn activity I was doing. And knowing that I started studying economics when I first got into this because I always liked economics in school, started going reading that first and realized kinda what was happening and understood the fact that it's Fiat and it's all loaned into circulation and, all the other things that are around that, that it's all kind of this facade.
And, so I put it all into gold. It just so happened to for me that that was you know about Brown's bottom, Mark? Have you ever heard anybody talk about Brown's bottom?
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Yeah. I've heard you talk about it. It's the first time I ever heard of it. Well, for the things that all the details to it, but I know it was like a a a very low price. I don't remember what caused gold to be so low. Well, they're trying to but they,
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gold, of course, is antithetical to their funny money system. Right. So they try and keep gold down because it's a price wise. It's the canary in the coal mine. Plus, they've got this basil three thing that just went into effect in July, by the way, where a a a gold was shifted from do you know about that? Have you heard us us talk about that? Oh, it's a tier tier one asset. Right? Tier one asset. So the banks have been keeping prices low so they could acquire as much as they could because they knew that they're coming. Yeah. And so, Brown's bottom was right there around 2,001 in that area. I don't remember the exact time frame, but gold was below $300 an ounce.
It went down to, I think, at one point, $251 an ounce, about the lowest it got. And at that point, there was a gentleman named Gordon Brown, who was the head of the exchequer in, that's the treasury in Britain, England. And he, he sold half of England's gold in an auction, and he sold it to the lowest bidder. I'm gonna repeat that. He sold half of it. That? It's a it's a rigged auction. He sold half of England's gold to the lowest bidder. I don't think we have to quibble about who bought it. It's probably the Rothschilds. But they call that Brown's bottom because that $251 there, an ounce of gold was the lowest gold has been relative to the currency it's purchased in in five thousand years.
Wow. K. Wow. So, you know, Robbie Noel used to say, well, you're never gonna buy at the bottom. You're never gonna sell at the top. And that's probably true. But I I came pretty close to the bottom. I I I wouldn't buy it when it was down that low. And, but I got all the gold I've got today, I bought at $300 and less. I bought my first slug with a little bit of money that the IRS didn't steal from my house closing. I had about $10 left over there in a little pile. And the day that Bill Clinton was, impeached, the very day that he was impeached back in the nineties there, I I bought $10,000 worth of gold at $300, and it was 300 on the nose.
$3.00 0. Okay. So, that was a big slug there. And then the other stuff I bought subsequently was lower than that. I mean, I don't think I ever got down to 2 fifties, but in the February and seventies, I was buying some then. So anyway, that's why I one reason I'm I'm not scrambling for money is because I knew this information, and I made that decision and hit that sweet spot. It's like getting a driver three or 400 yards. Right? I got that sweet spot right at that period of time. And, fortunately for for me, I've sat on most of it. I've had a couple of accidents, you know, down here that I've had to sell off part of it for, but I still got some of it. And, it's just a wonderful feeling knowing that whatever happens, that's there.
K? So, and it's still even at 3,300 about what it is now today. It's still cheap to where it's going. It's gonna it's gonna just gonna go huge. And and nobody really knows because we don't know how much of this Fiat papers floating around out there that you've got. If you're gonna do a ratio, you take whatever gold that we've got in in in cumulatively and divided into how much paper value is flitting around out there and floating around. That should give you some sort of an accurate price as to what the value of an ounce is. Well, when, you know, you're one of your Texas boys there, Mark, south of you, Mark, Holter, Bill Holter.
Oh, yeah. He used to be with Jim Sinclair, foursome Jim Sinclair died, And they were talking. Do you know Jim Sinclair's background, Mark?
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I no. Not exactly. I know they called him mister Silver, wasn't it? Or Well, no. That no. That he he was the guy.
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He was kinda in that crowd. He was, very successful in that system. And when Reagan took over from Carter and we had he had to raise all the interest rates, That was the period of time that the Hunt brothers had been trying to form their own Federal Reserve by cornering the silver market. If you remember, it drove silver up to $50 an ounce. So when Reagan I remember that. Okay. When Reagan took over and he was trying to quell the inflation that Jimmy Carter had stoked started and stoked, he hired Paul Volcker as the head of the Federal Reserve. And he eventually took interest rates up to 21%, and that quelled that inflation.
But what he what Paul Volcker did was hire Jim Sinclair to come in and unwind the Hunt Brothers silver position. So Jim Sinclair, I think it's safe to say, just from that example, that Jim Sinclair knows where the skeletons are buried.
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Okay? Yep.
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And so when he and Holter were doing shows together, they had a paywall, but the public shows and they were having a discussion one night on this very subject right here of what is the real price of gold. And Jim Halter said it could be as high as a $185,000 an ounce. That came from Sinclair.
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Well, that's that's that's based on them trying to cover all the debt with gold. And it would cost Yes. To go up. I mean, like, all the paper money. But I don't see anything that would require them to do that.
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Well, not just force them to to to make it that way. Well, they're trying everything desperately to try not, but he's just speculating on what his thoughts were, the true price of gold should be. And, you know, I don't know if you know if you've never, are you familiar with Major Jordan's diaries, Mark?
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No. I'm not. I've never heard of it. Well,
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I would go on YouTube, YouTube, if I were you and put in Major Jordan's diaries and listen to this guy and his talk on what he experienced as a government employee. Oh, back after the after World War two, and he's evidently talking to a huge there's a lot of applause and and and stuff you can gauge a reaction from. It may have been in Los Angeles, but, he caught he caught them shipping an entire offset printing press with the plates to to Russia back in the forties. Oh, wow. And he was because he was the man that had to know what these things were being sent. And he went in, and it was covered up and chained up or something, and they wouldn't open it. And he pulled out his 45 and said, you're gonna open it. He tells the whole story. Major Jordan's diaries.
I would highly suggest all of you to go back. And if you're not familiar with that, go back and search it up. Major Jordan's Diaries worth listening to. So they've got we know they've got that printing press in Russia. And then when the Iran students thing happened in the late seventies, They found an entire offset printing press with plates for $100 bills in the basement of the embassy. Did you know that? No. So we've had two offset printing presses out there with plates that have been printing up $100 bills. Nobody knows if they're real or not, how many of them they are, how many of them they've printed, what's in circulation. Nobody knows any of that.
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Wow.
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Major Jordan's Diaries. Go if you've if you've never heard of it.
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Yep. Yeah. Just go to YouTube and type it in. His his first name was Racy, r a c e y. Oh, Racy Jordan. Racy Jordan.
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That's that is really well worth listening to if you're looking for historical stuff to plug into your Alright. Cool. Growing image of what this beast is. Yes, sir?
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Hi. It's Rich in Huntsville. You were talking about, Whitney Webb is her name and her Yeah. She's good. I think they her site is, it's called only the savvy. So if if you type, only the savvy into the search, you'll pull up her, all of her different videos and stuff. Even Victor Davis Hanson's, also in different, people are listed in her, on her site.
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Great. Pretty cool. Only the savvy.com or .org or what?
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No. Nope. It's, Roger, if you're in if you're on YouTube, you go to, do a search and just type in, only the savvy.
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Okay. Well, she's very good. She's down American Reporter. She's down in Chile and, does excellent research and excellent reporting. She was one of the first people that wrote a two couple big articles on what's going on in Southern Argentina down there in Patagonia. So, yeah, very sharp check. Okay. Thank you, Rich. Anything else? So I and I love Victor David Hanson. I just wish we could get to some of these people who are witness to that,
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general major Jordan's diaries. I can give testimony that Roger is putting
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Good. Would Paul, did you cut Ferris off there? Hello? Do we have people on the air here?
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Yeah. We're on. Okay. Not like, Ferris got cut off. I he he knows he's not welcome here. So Well, I he's He keeps he keeps trying. Well, you know, it's interesting. Don't let him distract from our show, please. Well, you know need to talk about Ferris. Well, you know, Mark, I've had to reconsider
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Ferris a little bit in light of what I've been going through down here, you know, because there's a parallel there. So but major Jordan's diaries, if you have not listened to that, is something you you don't have a complete picture of what we're dealing with until you listen to that, I'd say.
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Yeah. It's I believe you.
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Yeah. Just listen to it. It's a wonderful story in in front of a live audience. And, boy, does it tell the story.
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Yep. Yep.
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Okay. Coffee's gone. Alright.
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Are we,
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are are we gonna see if there's any new students who have, a We need to. We need to. Todd, any of your bunch? You got any new folks here? Are you here today? Is Julie here today? I wanted to address her. Julie, are you with us today? K. I guess not. Well, we're already I am. I'm here. Oh, there you are. Hey, Julie Julie. You sent me an email this morning about miss Vandersteel. Right?
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No. I well, I don't know. Maybe I did. I can't remember. Did. Yes. You did. On taxation. Yeah. I did. Well, I didn't look yesterday.
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Okay. Well, I didn't have a chance to look at it yet, but, I I know Anne. Bless her heart. And and I don't know what's going on there. K? I think Anne is one of these folks I gave the overview to, and it either it takes a while to soak in or you just can't get this all at one setting. Julie's a pretty good example. It took you months. Okay? And, but she somebody did send me a little Twitter or something on her on taxation. Is that what you sent me talking about? The guy that was getting all they were filing the returns for him and all that stuff. Was that the same one?
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You know what? I can't remember because I looked at so much stuff.
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Roger, I'm gonna have to go back to my email and look exactly what I sent you from there. Somebody had somebody had sent me that. On Telegram yesterday. Uh-huh. Well, somebody had sent me that previously. It may be the same thing. It may not be. K? But Anne had just gotten out of a she's doing this little video, and she just gotten out of a it was early in the morning, seven or 08:00 or something. She'd already been at a Pilates thing. And she's in the car, and she's talking about taxation. And she mentions a guy in there named Michael Ellis. And I don't know. Jewel, I don't know if the same one or not, Julie. But, anyway, this will be good and illustrative.
Michael Ellis. But, Mark, have you ever heard of Michael Ellis? No. No. I'm not familiar with him. Well, when I was doing shows with Al, I'd ask. He knew Michael Ellis. Michael Ellis is a guy who has spent years going into IRS manuals and doing for master files and all that stuff. And, he knew all of that manual stuff inside and out. K? Right. And so I his name came up in the in the show with Al. And I said, well, you know, Glenn and them, my teachers had the whole system that they researched and totally understood. And they knew the system, and Michael Ellis did not.
And so through our desk, we put Michael Ellis and Glenn Ambor together, and they're the ones that found that failure to file doctor. They had two counts of failure to file. He's from San Diego. And, they and they got together, so they had the whole scheme. Now Glenn had how they handle the scheme internally. And Michael who had had the how they handled things internally, but he didn't have the overall scheme. Well, now they got both of them. So they take, they find a law firm who will allow Glenn to write all the process, and then they would file and represent the doctor with it.
And so that's what happened. And, they, the doctor was found guilty, and and then they con confirmed that at the ninth circuit. And that's when Glenn walked away from all this. Yeah. Because he had them dead to rights here. K? And he came back. He said, Roger, not only can the jury not understand that the judge is so complex, the judge can't understand it. And so he threw up his hands and walked away. We, you know, effectively walked away from the whole thing since. That was a few years back. But she mentions Michael Ellis in this little video. And, she's going, there's some guy and they were filing for him. He hadn't filed, and they were filing returns for him for seven years or whatever it was.
And she acted like, how could they do that? Well, you know, it shows that Anne doesn't know too much about the Internal Revenue Service and their code and how it operates. Because that's substitute for return, and that's very common. I had nothing new Yep. And and it's been around for a long time. So that shows me that Anne just doesn't understand. There's no no slide on her. Hey. You gotta you it it is just really a tedious chore digging into this tax system, folks. And if you've never done it, you don't know what I'm talking about. K? But, boy, it is just, well, I think the Woodrow Wilson thing where he says the tax the tax system they were trying to impart on the Chinese was burdensome and antiquated and enforced by foreign agents.
Oh, burdensome and antiquated is the exact perfect description for the Internal Revenue Code today. You know? I've told the story about senator Barkley. This is a quote John and Glenn found when they were doing research in their book. You ever heard of senator Barkley, Mark? Probably not. Right? Don't think so. He was a very prominent senator back in the forties. They were wanting him to run for vice president. He was the, he was the in the senate, very popular. He was the head of the ways and means commission, which I'd they don't have a ways and means, conference anymore that's in the house, but they used to evidently because he was the chairman of it.
And he got frustrated and walked away from the senate and had a they sent him a letter with every single sitting senator begging him to come back. He's very, very popular. I don't remember what his first name was, but his last name is Barclay. And as the head of ways and means, that's where all the money is generated in ways and means committee. And so Barclay, if I had this quote, and he said, every year, we're selling the folks from Treasury over here, and we try and sit down and explain to them that we want the code less ambiguous and and not as bulky.
And he said, every year, the folks from Treasury come back with something that only Solomon and all of his wise men could understand.
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Yep.
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K.
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So it's your intentionally that way. Yeah. Yes, Larry.
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Yeah. I like to go back for a minute. You're talking about the importance of investing in
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precious metals and gold and things like that. Well, anything solid, but that's my my that's my vehicle of choice. But anything Bitcoin, saw, silver, any of those things depending on your situation, land, even anything real.
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Alright. I know you're not a big fan of Dave Ramsey, but, you should at least consider what he has to say on the subject. He says this, he asserts that investing in gold is a poor strategy for an economic crash stating it is not that it has not been a reliable medium for bartering in a failed economy since the Roman empire. His team argues that gold's price is driven by fear and emotion rather than intrinsic value and that during a true societal collapse, people will resort to bartering and practical. And practical items like food, fuel, and water among other necessities would be more valuable.
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Well, I don't disagree with him there. If you don't have very small sizes and you don't know what you're doing with it, it it could be very inconvenient for you. If you just bought ounces or bars and you're trying to get in that environment and barter that stuff, how they gonna have change for you?
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They're not. K?
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So, I I agree with mister Ramsey and his team to that extent. But, believe me, when it starts spiking, there's gonna be people the problem with gold is what do you exchange it for? Right. You can exchange it for more crap money crap paper money that you want to get out of in the first place? Well, that's gonna be a medium of exchange. And by the way, when the if and when there is some big crash, it doesn't happen overnight. It generally happens over time. It's like the oil tanker on the high seas. They can't turn it on a dime. But, but it's been money for five thousand years. And, you know, I doubt if mister Ramsey and his team really understand how the monetary system works, Larry, in all honesty.
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Hey, Raj.
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Yes.
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I would say silver would be a better bet because it's, because it's easier. It's it's lower denominations, and you can't eat
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gold. It's good to have both. Okay? It depends on your situation. For me, I don't give a flip about silver even though it may have all kinds of upside advantages because I'm 77 years old and I got no heirs. I don't care about that.
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Question is, even if you Silver. If you have an ounce of gold that's divided into tenth ounce increments, okay, you still can't buy a loaf of bread with a tenth ounce of gold.
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Well, it's still a tenth ounce or a tenth ounce Eagles worth about $300 today. Right. Okay. But silver has got some You gotta buy
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you gotta buy a truckload of bread.
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Yeah. The silver has has got the real disadvantage of portability. Okay. Yep. I mean, you can't run very far with silver. Alright. So there's the yins and yang's of all of it. Best thing is to have a little of both, I would assume. I've, I've got a little of both, just not, not enough of it here.
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But anyway Roger's got a horse named silver. You can pull a cart full of silver.
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If you, you know, if what else you're gonna invest in, Larry? What does mister Ramsey suggest? Cash is gonna be king for a while. Obviously. Especially down here like where I am, these people are, you know, uneducated Indian. Some of them can't even read or write. They're they're gonna recognize a $20 bill a lot more than they'll recognize a 10,000 silver eagle. So cash is gonna be king He says to He says to invest in mutual funds. They have Oh, yeah. There's a a better one. A better one. Yeah. There's a yeah. There's a good one. Why don't you do that so they can switch out your value for these damn bonds? That's a real good idea.
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Yeah. I don't think we need to talk about David's deal. Mutual fund of mutually assured destruction?
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I have no idea, Dave. I've never screwed with Wall Street or any of their schemes. K? Never. I own the only stock I've ever owned was four shares of Pitney Bow stock that I got because I'd done exceptionally well with them, and they gave me that. And it doubled to eight, and I couldn't wait to get rid of them. I actually had the shares. I called some brokerage house there in Atlanta and went by their office, and they couldn't they couldn't get them out of my hands quick enough. K? So that's the only stock I've ever owned. I don't know anything about that. Yes.
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If I had the money to do it, I would get ounces of gold in tenth ounce increments or a bar that's that's, serrated so you can break off the tenth ounce. Yeah. Those are good. Those are good. And I would get silver as the daily medium of exchange and then use a tenth ounce of gold to buy silver that I needed to use to function.
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K. So,
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Paul, we make a Valcombi
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bar out of gold and silver that's it breaks into
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50 gram, pieces, I think. Yeah.
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Yeah. There's a couple of people in gold and that. Silver. Yep. Yeah. You're gonna pay it a little bit. It's very inexpensive. Well, I sort of said you're gonna pay a bit of a premium.
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Yep. There's a big premium. The smaller the denominations
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or the weight, the more they charge you. Because there's extra work that goes into it. If you just buy an ounce, they have to get an ounce dye and they take that the the blank and they bring it down and the, press presses it down. It presses it out and it comes out the other side. Okay? But to get 10 pounds, you got to do that 10 times. So there's more packaging, there's more labor, there's more electricity, there's more of everything used in getting that down to a smaller size. Now you also you're getting it down to a purity is is more of a step. You know, we were involved, in Karatbars, years back.
Great concept. Wonderful company. It's just Harold Seitz tried to do too much at one time. He tried to grow the company on three or four to five different fronts at one time, and that just wasn't the way to do it. It eventually took him down, but they got $9.09 $4.09 silver. I mean, $4.09 gold. So that even to refine it down, the normal Eagle or or or sovereign coin, except for Buffalo in The US, the Maple Leaf in the Canadian, and the kangaroo in Australia, those are 24 carat coins. But the other regular coins have alloys in them. They're only well, it depends on the country and the coin, but you're only talking 96 to 98% gold. The rest of it is alloys to harden it up.
When the when the buffalo first first started getting printed, which is that the same image as the 5¢ buffalo nickel, except it's a one ounce gold coin. I'd love to have one of those because I just love that design. And, when they were first printing those early on, the bunch of them slipped off of a truck, and they hit the ground, and it it wasn't a continuous circle anymore. There was one side that was slightly flat because it's so soft. When that fall happened and that weight, it it made one of the sides not round totally. And so, there was a bunch of those when they first started doing the buffalos.
But, it's a you know, before you go out spending stuff, learn a little bit about the industry. You wanna try and get the smallest you can. There's still some people. I think I heard, Schmidt Sheck Sheckler Andy Sheckler was saying they had, junk silver a while back. So evidently, people have had to sell out of some of the junk silver they bought, which the premium's already been paid. They may charge a little bit now because of scarcity, but, that's another good play, dimes and quarters. So there's all kinds of things, but go into it open. I'd go and find out a little bit about it, what you're doing, but it would be very wise to hedge your, hedge some of your paper, however you wanna do it. Everybody's different. Everybody's situation is different. But, it'd be a smart thing to do right now.
As evidenced by the fact that yeah. Just a second, Rick. My little old gold that I bought for less than $300 is worth $3,300 or more right now. So has the value of gold gone up from less than 300 to 3,000, or has the value of the paper gone down? It's the latter. The value of the paper has gone down. The price of gold hasn't risen. Here's the example to prove that. If we were in Rome today, and in those days, I could take an ounce of gold, go buy a nice toga, a nice sash, some good sandals, and go out and have a nice dinner. I can do that same thing in New York City today with an ounce of gold. The price of gold has not changed. It's the value of the purchasing power is what you're looking for. Rick, what you got?
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If you still owe on something, your home, your cars, credit cards, you don't need to be buying gold. You need to be paying your debt off. Well, I'd agree with don't. Yep. And what you don't own will be taken away from you. What you do own, you can use that
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to barter.
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Well, you could also play if you would have been, astute enough to understand these markets and other work, and you could buy some of that. And if it goes through a rise, like, I think we're expecting to from 3 to 5 plus thousand dollars, you could sell that and then ease more easily pay off your mortgage. There's a couple of ways to approach that. You know? But be be out of debt is is certainly a very important thing. K? They're they're saying they're speculating by 2030 that BlackRock will own 60% of the single family homes in America.
Their goal is to buy up all the single family homes in America right now and turn everybody into renters. So we'll see. Yeah. I guess you heard you heard Fink got appointed as cochair of the, World Economic Forum this week. Was that you, Dave?
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Yeah. I just heard yesterday that, we got this looming energy crisis. BlackRock bought the, I don't know, power companies or something in Minnesota, and their their their power costs have have, you know, just gone skyrocketing
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with people. Yep. And buying and that's we're gonna do that everywhere now. Well, they're they've done it in several places already. Some were down in Texas or in the Southeast, Southwest. Right. And they're going around and and it's like they did in line of Maui. All of a sudden, no no more you know, you don't you don't cut the trees back. You don't do this. You don't do that. So, yeah, they're buying BlackRock's buying up everything, folks. They own Yep. Percentage controlling percentage in 87% of the companies listed on the New York Stock Exchange. K?
So, I mean, potentially, should we get the right mixture and people and and the right platforms and publicity, we may could take these bastards down because all of their successes are based on fraud. All of them. So I don't know. We just take it one day at a time and see what develops and hope that the good lord will see and grace us enough to open the door and let us through. So that's what we're looking for and striving for. Any new folks have anything to say on all that? I don't know if Todd and his group are are up on all this financial side of this is so important. I mean, this is the horse they rode in on is the financial horse, and it's the horse they're gonna ride out on too, or they're planning on anyway.
So, so nobody any anybody got questions or comments? I guess that's no. Mark, you had you you contacted me this week and said you had an interesting situation. Why don't you come forward with that? Maybe we can raise a few folks on that. They don't wanna talk about the economics.
[01:09:17] Unknown:
Sure. I received, or I should say the straw man received the email at strawman@mark,allcaps,.com. That's [email protected], and it doesn't have to be all capitalized. But anyway, I received an email and it was a husband and wife were interested in becoming Nationals. But the husband is a is a peace officer or police officer, excuse me, police officer in Wisconsin. And there was concern about how him becoming a national might affect his licensing as being a police officer. So I did initial, you know, query, research, and what came back was was a concern. Because my my question was, could a non resident alien or somebody legally present in The United States be able to work as a police officer in Wisconsin? Now it said no, you strictly had to be a US citizen, so on and so forth. But there had been some laws that they were trying to implement in Wisconsin, which if you don't know, Wisconsin is one of these very big liberal states.
And so but it got put on the back burner where they were going to allow green card holders to be able to be police officers. So anyway, I just wanted to, you know, broach that subject with you. Maybe we can flesh it out and and see, you know, what does a person do? What does a national do when we're faced with this situation where you're looking at a form and it says, do you swear under penalty of perjury or you're a US citizen? And they need that for their livelihood. Or in another recent instance I had another person who was trying to open up a trading account and it asked them the same thing. It's like you got to swear that you're a US citizen under penalty of perjury.
So if there's no option for a national in our status, what is a person to do?
[01:11:45] Unknown:
I don't know. But you know why they do that? Why is that? So they can so you fall under their laws, and they can they got remedies or whatever else. If you don't, you you you're not inside their legal jurisdiction where they can apply some of that stuff to you. But now the question on this comes up and here's a complexity. Go back to this the, certificate of noncitizen nationality there on the state department. Their statement, according to the INA, all US citizens are US nationals, but only a few nationals are not citizens. That third one is American Samoa.
And, otherwise, you've got all three statuses right there. You have federal status, American Samoan, and national. Because they say, according to the INA, all US citizens are US nationals. Now we've had this discussion at times before, but this is another layer of their fraud. Or they're asking you that question, but hidden behind that with the is the fact that they had to make both of those statuses equal, citizen of The United States Of America and citizen of The United States to overcome plus e v Ferguson and Brown versus the education rolls on. So when they're saying, are you a citizen of The United States, is that national still there? Could you put yes and say, well, this is lack of full disclosure and sue them for discrimination, should they come in, like, take your job away?
And these are some of the complex ideas that sit in the background that somebody knew. Well, you might have a little bit of a hard time getting your arms around this because it's real screwy.
[01:13:38] Unknown:
Yeah. This is the only place that I tend to kind of struggle with because I can't, you know, I can't put my finger except for what you just, what you just quoted about The US citizen being a national. I just can't quite get my finger on it to say yes and here's here's why. I see. For me, if they don't put an option for me being a national, I'm going to sign it even under penalty of perjury that I'm a US citizen and if I ever get challenged, I'll pull out my affidavit and say look. And again, I want to contribute this phrase to Paul Viner when he brought it forward, it was just gold. And that was out of the rule of necessity.
Mhmm. So out of the rule of necessity and in order to keep the peace, I, you know, I had no other option national. So So that's the main concern. People are scared to death They are. That they're gonna trip up and lose their status as a national. It's incredible.
[01:14:57] Unknown:
This the fear that's been instilled in people. I had somebody write me this down and say, can you look over this cover letter to the attorney general of the state? That's how scared people are that they're gonna screw up and do something wrong. You know? Let me bring another example of this up for discussion though, Mark, because it's it came to the forefront. If you remember, we had those two or three shows with, oh, with our friend from Abram from Minnesota who was tell saying I wasn't teaching everything right, and we're all over this Yeah. Damn statutes like Larry tries to bring up and arguing over all that crap. So Right. As I thought about that, because I hate shows like that, and and and but it was very provocative, that whole thing.
So and it doesn't really matter if you just put US national. Just use national. But this that's what this whole discussion was over over a couple of shows, and it got a little bit argumentative at times and confrontational. Yep. I remember. I remember. So let's go back. But the way that I ended up coming to a conclusion in my mind, someone's acting up again, was, the passport oath. Now there's the passport oath. I swear now to get that passport cleared to be put out, it has to go through the Office of Management and Budget, make sure everything is constitutional and correct on there, and then they issue it an OMB number before it can even be placed in front of one public person. Okay?
So that's underlying. And I think that's buttress that they do do that by the fact that they've got the warning box in there. They don't have to put that warning box in there. They don't want to put that warning box in there. They've got to to meet all these requirements. You they don't tell you why it's there. They just put it there. So can we concur that they have gone the extra mile to meet the requirements of an OMB number? Yes. I would say so. Alright. Well, then the oath then the oath there and all three statuses have to be there then, don't they? If that's the case, that they've met all those requirements, all three statuses have to be presented there in that oath, don't they?
[01:17:23] Unknown:
Yeah. Okay. Well, and you just raised the most important. Well, let let's finish and we can discuss.
[01:17:29] Unknown:
Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead. I swear under penalty of perjury. I'm a citizen of The United States, parentheses, or a noncitizen national. There's only two there. There's not three. Where's the third one? I don't know. Where's The US national? Is it hiding behind noncitizen national American Samoan? Or is it hiding behind citizen of The United States? And I knowing the series of Plessy versus Ferguson and Brown and what they were doing, I say that it's hidden behind the citizens of The United States, and that statement in the certificate of noncitizen nationality that all US citizens or US nationals is probably the most honest statement you'll ever see out of these son of a bitches.
[01:18:21] Unknown:
May I? Roger?
[01:18:22] Unknown:
Yes. Hold on. Hold on a second. Let's get Mark and I. I will open it up for discussion. So, Mark, what do you think of that?
[01:18:31] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm gonna have to work on that a little bit to wrap my head fully around it. But my my argument's always been this, you know, in this I'm trying to keep it as simple as possible. What what stood out to me right then and there, Roger, is on your passport, you're swearing to be a US citizen
[01:18:49] Unknown:
or a national? Or a national. Right.
[01:18:53] Unknown:
Okay. So you're you're given that option.
[01:18:59] Unknown:
I don't have that Well, they don't wanna give it to you. They don't wanna tell you you can Right. You can move on it. They just have to put it in there to meet the requirements of the Office of Management and Budget and the Paperwork Reduction Act. Right. You know, there used to be a statement in there in the instructions under and it was headed, paperwork reduction act. You know how they break these things up in the in the instructions? Yes. And it said, well, so we have to get a we have to get an OMB number and go through this process before we can put this passport application out. And often, this is difficult to do because our citizenship laws are very complex.
They used to say that in the instructions. Since I started talking about it on the air, they've taken it out. K? But they literally used to rub your nose in it right there in the instructions. So that's my thesis. Yeah. My thesis is that the national is hidden behind the citizen of The United States there because of Brown versus Board of Education overcoming separate but equal unpleasing. So that's my statement, my thesis, and I believe that's true. So, Mark, your comments and then, there was a female and and Larry wants to say something.
[01:20:17] Unknown:
Alright. So I pulled up the DS 11 passport form. Yes, sir. And right above the applicant's legal signature, age 16 and older is, you know, that box. And then right above that and it also has mother, father, parent, if they you got a legal guardian. But right above that is the statement that we're, you know, talking about. And it says, I declare under penalty of perjury all of the following. One, I'm a citizen or a noncitizen national of The United States Yep. And have not performed any of the acts listed under acts or conditions on page four of the instructions of this application unless explanatory statement is attached.
The statements made on the application are true and correct. I've not knowingly and willfully made false statements or included false documents in support of this application. The photograph attached to this application is a genuine current photograph of me, and I have read and understood the warning on page four of the instructions to the application.
[01:21:23] Unknown:
Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Yeah. They didn't used to have that in there until I started bringing this out on the air.
[01:21:32] Unknown:
Right.
[01:21:33] Unknown:
They have changed, folks. They have changed the oath on the passport application because of what we've exposed here. Right. You you don't think this is important? I think you might be
[01:21:49] Unknown:
wrong. And and so my, you know, my response to people that are scared to death that if they sign something I mean, you give if you're given a form and it doesn't include a checkbox for being a national and the only way this is going to work is if you the only way you're going to be able to open an account or do whatever is select US citizen, then select US citizen. And if it ever comes to light, a challenge, which I never heard anybody being challenged on this, then you know, like Paul Vener, he said, out of the rule of necessity, in other words, you're keeping me from doing whatever I want to do because you're not putting down the national status. You don't give me an option to select national, which is one of the statuses here in The United States. Oh no. They do give you the option. So you don't give me an option of using, you know, checking US citizen.
I'm going to check US citizen and I'm going to go about my way. Now if you're really concerned about it, you can check US citizen. And once you got your account open or once you got whatever you were needing to get, then you can send in a one page letter saying, hey. Under the rule of necessity and in order to keep the peace, you know, I had to you you know, your form didn't have this option, and so I had to select US citizen. And if you have any problems with that, you know, let me know within thirty days and attach a copy of your affidavit to mail it in. I doubt you'll hear a peep out of anybody.
[01:23:29] Unknown:
Right. I'm Otherwise, they're infringing on your right to contract.
[01:23:33] Unknown:
Right? Sure. Well, that too. Yes. Or get out of contract.
[01:23:38] Unknown:
Right. And and then created a system intentionally to try to lock you in being a US citizen.
[01:23:47] Unknown:
It's just like a lobster trap or a crab trap. You bait it in there. You have those little openings. The lobster or the crab gets in. They can't get out. The only way you can get out is to, at least with the passport office here, is to include a copy of what you're going to be. Otherwise, they fall back on presumption. Everything runs on presumption of law. And the way that you ascertain that is look at the way they always move forward. Don't they just continue to move forward, Mark, on the press or agenda? Press, press, press, press. Yeah. That's presumption. That's presumption. It's gotta be presumption.
K? So what we're doing when we do all this is going back ab initio at the beginning and saying, no. None of this stuff applies to me. It's fraud, and we're gonna do an end run around it. And they can't do crap about it. Okay. Let's see what Larry and, and our female there, had to say. Larry, I'm gonna go with the female first this time, but I won't forget about you. Who is the lady that wanted to say something there?
[01:24:55] Unknown:
Oh, Roger. It's Nancy. Oh, hey, Nancy. Hey. I was just you further you further, fleshed out what around, Brown versus Board of Education that I was going to affirm because they've made the statuses equal, the state citizen and
[01:25:16] Unknown:
the federal. So Well, they had Plessy versus for yeah. If they were to overcome Plessy versus Ferguson, that's what they had to do. Now I will maintain, and I'm not red brown, and I don't know what kind of tortured legal reasoning they used. But how they made someone with god given rights and and duties equal to somebody with civil rights and fourteenth amendment man given rights and duties, I don't know how they did that. And, again, my I would I would put forward, here's another layer of fraud right there.
[01:25:54] Unknown:
And I think you both have covered it fairly comprehensively, but that was I know that they've they've equalized the statuses, and then and they're hiding. They only give us the option of the US citizen.
[01:26:09] Unknown:
And so because I know how they're hiding it, and then they yeah. So I just was gonna affirm that. Well, my let's go back, and I'll get you a second, Larry. Let's go back to the original example of this police officer in Wisconsin that has to be licensed. That automatically indicates a citizen of The United States Could you gotta require a license? K? License being permission to do something which is otherwise illegal. Why would be, being a police officer be illegal? So there's one of those things, but should they move on him for that? We're in the hypothetical territory now. Should they move on that? Doesn't he have a potential remedy on discrimination?
[01:26:54] Unknown:
Oh, I would say so. Absolutely. But, man, I would, I would try to avoid that. Well, no kidding. I mean No. Yep. I try to have him avoid going to court if if at all possible. I mean, I guess in a worst case scenario, you could Well, at least jump back in the the frying pan and be a US citizen.
[01:27:14] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. So it it it's an interesting question. We get into this little law this little area that's well, it's quite the shade of gray. I I feel that my my approach to this is more than a shade of gray. But for the average person, this one of those shade of gray areas that could be very confusing. Larry, what do you got, buddy?
[01:27:37] Unknown:
Yeah. To go along with what Mark Mark is saying, I would suggest that if you're forced to mark and put a check mark in the box that says, are you a citizen of The United States, you can do that. I don't know if this will work on the
[01:28:01] Unknown:
passport for me. Well, they never ask you that question in the past. I I know that. I know that. I know that. But,
[01:28:08] Unknown:
what I'm saying is, like, it on the on the DS 11, for example, it'll it'll ask, is your father and is your mother a US citizen? Correct. And, of course, you have instructed us not to lie and to put no because it's a or, I mean, yes, because it is the feudal system, and your affidavit will take care of, you know, eliminating the presumption. But, other than that, like, on government forms like the I nine, they don't give you a choice. They give you four choices. The first one is citizen of The United States, and then the other four choices, if you carefully read the instructions to the I nine, none of those apply to us. Those are all talking about foreign nationals.
And, so the choice would be since The United States, and what you can do is you could put in parentheses by birth in The United States, comma, the 50 states of the union. And when you do that, you have just defined the term United States so that they can never claim the use of, the statutory United States or presume that you are a statutory creation of Congress or one born in any of The US territories.
[01:29:26] Unknown:
Now isn't there a option on that I nine alien permitted to work?
[01:29:35] Unknown:
Something to that effect, but that it might be number four, but that is still if you like I said, if you read the instructions, if you choose that one, then there's three I think there's three it's been about a year since I read the instructions. Well, they may have changed it by now too. One of one of three one of three particular pieces of paperwork that you have to include, and none of that pertains to what we are even as a national. So the best thing to do is just choose citizen of The United States. And because none of that is going to the IRS. The employer is just gonna put that in their file.
And then like I said, I I because that's not a passport application where they're very strict with marking it up, you can just put in parentheses what I just laid out previously.
[01:30:23] Unknown:
See. And and I would say, Larry, just to be a little devil's advocate, I would check alien permitted to work and include a copy of the affidavit.
[01:30:34] Unknown:
K. Just On on national status, on that I nine form, they suggest using, checking box number two, a noncitizen national of The United States.
[01:30:51] Unknown:
But that's American Samoan specifically. Again, if you check that, I would put an affidavit with that.
[01:30:59] Unknown:
Okay.
[01:31:00] Unknown:
K? But it yeah. If you check that one, again, if you look at the instructions, very careful about what you choose.
[01:31:14] Unknown:
Well, I think everything's probably can be altered and straightened out if there's some confusion. But, you could probably do any of those three options right there and see how we'll see how they object. You know, you never know till you put something forward how they're gonna react.
[01:31:32] Unknown:
And and and let's throw some plausible deniability on them because most of the time when you sign these things, it's under the best of my knowledge, to the best of my knowledge. Well, if they made the citizenship status so convoluted that you've got a form and you don't know what to fill out and you do your best, then you can say, hey, this is just the best of my knowledge. That's what I thought I was. I'm a national. And the way you've written this is a non citizen national in The United States. Now they have they say see instructions. But I believe I would have plausible deniability
[01:32:13] Unknown:
if it ever came up. It would. I don't think you're gonna have a problem with it coming up. I don't think so either. I'm just trying to show, especially if there's any new folks with us, any of Todd's bunch, some of the areas of this that are real shady gray. K? There's a couple of them. There's not many. Everything else we pretty well sculled up and proven. And the, passport office and the secretary of state must agree with us because they don't object. Okay? Right. And and it's just these very interesting couple of areas of and what is a US national? Who is it?
See, I think maybe it covers both, but I I it's just a gray area. And the thing is Yeah. In the overall viewpoint, it doesn't really have a bearing on what we do. Because all you all I instruct you to do is always just put national. But it is an interesting question on how they set this up because we like to understand as terrible as it is to have an insight into how they think. And when you see the way they think things out, you figure out how they think real freaking quick. Yes.
[01:33:23] Unknown:
Yep.
[01:33:24] Unknown:
Well, you know, I I wanna go back to what Bob in Florida experienced about the Oh, okay. The court office talking to him.
[01:33:32] Unknown:
Yeah.
[01:33:33] Unknown:
Yeah. The call from the females. Yeah. The call. Yeah. So, you know, he's talking to them and then, you know, they're they're really, like, you gotta be a US citizen. And finally, he's like, do you have my affidavit on file? Yep. Oh, yeah. What's I'm looking at it right here. Then I don't care what you call me because in the, there is a case. I don't think it was Minor versus Haaporsett. But, anyway, it says that your passport is prima facie evidence of your citizenship status and that can be challenged. So your passport even isn't proof of your status.
That's just allowing you to get in other countries. Right? You you remember the Browns? Here. Yeah. You remember the Browns? I don't care if they if they wanna call me a US citizen or if that's the only way I can operate in this stupid political system. But only I can say what my citizenship status really is. Correct. I've established it by putting my affidavit on file with the secretary of state in DC, and hopefully, you at least got a passport card, which should digitally enter you into the system. So somebody looks it up, they're gonna find out you're a national.
[01:35:00] Unknown:
I you remember the Browns from years ago, twenty five years ago up in Vermont or New Hampshire somewhere that they went after for IRS stuff? Do you remember that case? It got a lot of publicity this time. I don't off the top of my head. Well, got a lot of publicity. You know what they convicted them on? No. Their passports. They brought out the passport and said they're citizens of The United States, and they convicted them on that.
[01:35:31] Unknown:
Well, there was a recent student of David Strait who, worked for a university as a lady, and she stopped withholding, and then she filed for refunds. And the IRS said, no. You're past the the time limit to get refunds. And she I can't believe she did this, but she sued the IRS and to get her refunds. And the IRS, come out in the court, decision that that she didn't prove that she wasn't a US citizen. Right. There you go. Okay. She she did not prove that she wasn't a US citizen. So, you know, right there and we've we've got that beat. We've got that nailed down. Oh, yeah. You've got an affidavit. Once you've got that notarized and you serve the IRS with it and the secretary of state's office, I don't know that you really need to notify anybody else unless you're super concerned about the administrative process.
But you can just go on about your life. But those are your two places that you absolutely need to inform.
[01:36:53] Unknown:
Yeah.
[01:36:54] Unknown:
It's such a simple thing. I was You know, it's such a big monster and it's so ugly and people are so scared and all that so intimidating. When you really get down to this, it's so simple. No. I've got the power. I'm gonna decide what I am, and you can't say a damn thing about it, and they can't. Yeah. Yeah. K. There was, somebody trying to say something there a second ago. Who was that?
[01:37:21] Unknown:
Yeah. Hi, Roger. This is, Ezana. Ezana. Hi, Roger. Hi, Mark. How are you guys doing? We're good. How are you doing? Fine. Thank you. I do have a question and a a comment to make. Okay. Please. So, on this topic that Mark just brought up, you know, you've taught us that it's not are you a person, it's which person are you. Right? So on that on that particular case, and if you're a police officer, you said it at the beginning when this conversation begun. You started out. And the reason they have it that way is because that's so that the laws would apply to you. Yes. No. But if you mark that as a if you're a national, you sign that as a citizen.
And later, it was to be discovered. There's some incident. Police officers face a lot of incidents. Right? Incident occur and that they think that you're responsible and they're about to hang you dry. And, and they find out that the laws don't apply to you because you're a national. So how would that situation work? I mean, at what point do you have equal equal equal, you would be treated by the police, you know, authorities, whatever,
[01:38:52] Unknown:
equally as a US citizen. Well, I don't think it's their call. I don't think it's their call. They've got ignorance about this. I think that would be a court call. And what I would think you would try and do is, address the court with an administrative procedures approach initially, present them them with the affidavit. They're the ones that are gonna have to make the ultimate call. That's the way I would see your hypothetical situation. Mark, you agree with that? Did Mark have to take off? I got a comment about that.
[01:39:26] Unknown:
I apologize. I was off researching for for that case.
[01:39:30] Unknown:
Did you hear Azana's, question? No. What was his question again? Oh, he's talking about getting Azana, you wanna post it again?
[01:39:40] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. So, a person, as a police officer signs up US citizen on the on the on the application to get a license. Right? And, but the person is, in fact, a national. Right? So, Rogers taught us it's not, you know, it's not are you a person, it's which person are you. So in this case, you are a person of there's two persons, right, US citizen and a national. So the rights and duties of a US citizen receives is no longer the same as yours as a national line for disposition. So should, you know, if nothing happens, nobody knows. So it's never happened. But if an incident was to occur, and on that particular individual, how would it be treated, and what would be the situation in that case? Yeah. Because if they were to find out that he's not a US citizen, then how would they handle it?
[01:40:46] Unknown:
You're talking about the peace off the police officer from the start. That example. Yeah. Yeah. From the start. Yes.
[01:40:55] Unknown:
Wow. That's, you know, it's one of those hypotheticals that, I think it falls back on what Roger was saying about all US citizens being nationals. And that's what I would stick with if that ever came up.
[01:41:11] Unknown:
See, I just I just don't see how Azana and I I've and I've mulled on this for a long time many times since we came up with this few years back. How do how do you make someone equal that receives man given rights versus someone that receives god given rights? How do you make someone equal Yeah. As total access to the constitution and its protections versus someone who doesn't? How can that be equal?
[01:41:43] Unknown:
Yeah. I guess my question is, it is under the presumption that everyone that works in the police station is US citizen. Right? They operate under that presumption. And and it's probably true. Should they Yes, but should they find out that some of them. Okay, because they're US citizens certain rules and regulations apply to everyone. Right. So, but should they find out that amongst them and there's that one individual that the laws and regulations don't apply to because he's not a US citizen. You know? And so they can't how would they handle that? That's alright. I had a question.
[01:42:24] Unknown:
Do all police officers in the country have to go through this, Mark, or is it just this one part of Wisconsin in some sort of a special situation?
[01:42:33] Unknown:
That's all police officers. That's it's a national it's a national law, basically. It's a standard that they all go by. It's uniform.
[01:42:43] Unknown:
Well, it shouldn't be that way. But, you know, it's interesting. We've never delved off into this before, Asana. Yeah. That'd be an interesting I think you'd always have a defense on discrimination and bringing some of these this information forward, but it's gonna have to be in a court setting. You don't know who the judge is gonna be. You don't know what his disposition is gonna be, and there's a lot of unknowns in there. This is a fairly complex argument. If you're gonna go into court and put this argument forward, it's gonna be novel because nobody's ever come up with it before, and it's gonna be very unusual being put forth as a, as a defense on this, I would think. Yeah. I'd we we just don't know.
[01:43:30] Unknown:
Yeah. So the reason I brought it up is is if that was to happen and an incident was to occur and say the judge says, you know what? He's a national, so those those rules don't apply. And the masses see that one of them gets away with certain things Of course.
[01:43:48] Unknown:
Then the whole lid is gonna come. Well, that's what I keep saying. Which judge you keep talking about these things being presented in court. Which judge is gonna go down as the judge that pulled the bottom card out of the house card? He's got pension. He's got reputation. He's got all that stuff riding on that. I'll get you in a second, Marco. Okay? That's been my question for many years. Who's gonna be the judge that's gonna do that? That's why I was so impressed with the situation out of Missouri in the boat bum bum bum held Missouri when he got a speeding ticket and no seat belt. And he went in and actually sat down in the judge's chambers. And the judge looks across the desk, and he said, I've read your affidavit.
He didn't expound on it. That's all he said. I read your affidavit. If you'll just go ahead and settle the seat belt, pay $10 fine down at the end of the hall, it all goes away. And that guy was in a terrible mood that day and refused the judge's offer. Do you see what's going on? He's trying to do what you're saying, but he doesn't wanna suffer the repercussions. So he'll meet him halfway. Just pay the $10 charge and it all goes away. He's he's offering him an offer and he turned it down. So now he's gotta go to court. So he goes to court. And fortunately for him, the judge gave him the same deal in court.
[01:45:23] Unknown:
Yeah. K? One example, that I was, that came to mind, yeah, is is that the police officer, I think, is in Wisconsin. She accidentally pulled out her her gun instead of her taser and shot and killed a guy. Oh, yeah. Remember that? Yes. I do. It was just awful tragic. And the guy that that that it was it was an accident. Right? But they gave her ten years. Now if if she was a national,
[01:45:57] Unknown:
Well, no. No. It's well, no. Because there's because there's a death laid out. Well, there's death involved. So the, it's that's always gonna be criminal. I might drool it as manslaughter or something, but it's always gonna be in the criminal realm. It's just like if you have a car accident. Okay. I have a I'm driving a car down here in Ecuador, which I don't do, and I have an accident. The laws of Ecuador would apply to me. They'd if I was at that accident scene, they'd throw me in jail because that's what they do down here. If you have an accident, they throw both parties in jail until the property issue is settled. How about that, Mark?
So, anyway, yeah, interesting area. Good to good to hear you, Azana.
[01:46:44] Unknown:
Alright. I I do have I do have another comment to make, but, I'm sorry. Go ahead, and then we'll get to Mirka.
[01:46:52] Unknown:
Okay. So Before before he moves on Alright. Hold on. Before you launch off. What, Mirka?
[01:46:58] Unknown:
Yeah. I wanted to answer him, you know, that, someone that's a national, and and they'd be working, employment, like a corporation, like police department. It if he's a national and he's already working there, his rights are always reserved. So they would have to handle things a little different
[01:47:18] Unknown:
Yeah. Under common law. Well, the only thing here's a really good real example with John and the, the the gig. John had a you know what I'm talking about? Our farmer. He had a really, really important job when he first stumbled on us, and he did write the state department. I I guess I'll step out of school, and I'll tell you what his job was. He had a con there was a contractor that had the contract. He was a subcontractor, and he had the security shield over the entire state department website that all the embassies from the world check-in and out of every day. He changed into being a national, and he wrote the state department what he'd done, and they didn't do anything.
And some time went by, and all of a sudden, one morning, he woke up and his credentials didn't work anymore. So they'd fired him. And, and then he wrote again through his sub his contractor and laid out the entire incident, everything, the national list, what it was, all that, and they wouldn't answer anything. And so that is about the time he inherited the farm. And so he said, okay. For hell with it. I'll just go do this farm bill. But that was his job, and they eventually did fire him. He was not directly contracted with the federal government, but he was a minor contractor that. And it may be that if you're a national, you cannot work for the federal government or that they may have an option.
Now I can see that.
[01:49:05] Unknown:
K?
[01:49:07] Unknown:
But, anyway, just some some things that have actually happened around here on some of these issues. Okay. That get you, Merkin? Thank you.
[01:49:17] Unknown:
Azana, you got something else to wait for? Yeah. I have some. Okay. Yeah. So, I wanted to, I would like to reach you my, response to the letter I got for my passport application. This is 2024. You know, I would like to read it to you. I read it to Mark and Mark liked it. So I got thumbs up. Okay. So I'd like to share that. Well, read it to the audience. Yeah. Read it just. Yeah. Okay. So, you know, this is the response to the letter they were. It says it no. It appears from the fact of your birth.
[01:49:54] Unknown:
Oh, that's the it's from the passport office. Yeah.
[01:49:58] Unknown:
Passports office. Cannot be waived by unilateral declaration except by otherwise provided by law. Anyway, so I got that letter in 05/02/2024. And I've been listening to you for about two months. So I guess February. Okay. And I sent my passport application, some three weeks, I guess, it'd be in April. April 11 is when I signed up that pay. So I got this letter. So I'd like to read to you what I wrote them. Okay. So it's two paragraph, And the first paragraph rubs it in their nose. And the second paragraph demands. Okay.
So it's I wrote the first paragraph. It says, thank you for your recent response to my request for passport application, which included my intention of unilateral declaration of nationality. Our instructions provided at the State Department website, state that travelthatstate.gov and I put the link and website title in there. And then the next part next and then it goes on. Section three zero two of public law 94 dash two for one any person who becomes a citizen of The United States may become a national open parents section one on one a 21. And of the in a defines the term national national as quote a person owing permanent allegiance to a state on quote close close parent.
But not a citizen of The United States by making a declaration before any court or court of record in the Commonwealth in the form as follows, I blank. Being duly sworn here by declare my intention to be a national, but not a citizen of The United States. So this is verbatim first paragraph I copy pasted all their text.
[01:52:03] Unknown:
Right.
[01:52:04] Unknown:
Then my second paragraph goes on, therefore. The notarized declaration I submitted with my passport application in a form of unreputeed affidavit is the highest form of court of record. My application for a passport, so in my nationality status with God given, constitutionally protected natural rights, but not a US citizen not a US citizen with civil right is correct and lawful and must be duly granted.
[01:52:44] Unknown:
I would say lawful and legal. I got my
[01:52:48] Unknown:
yeah. Yeah. Correct and lawful must be duly granted. Right. And I got my passport in twenty four hours. Yeah. Oh, there
[01:52:57] Unknown:
we've never had anybody address this in like you did here and read to us or otherwise that they haven't gotten their documents back. I take that back one. And that's Padgett's mother. And Padgett's mother was Padgett told her about this, and she, oh, yeah. I'd like to do that. You know? Didn't know really what it was or anything else. And so she sent her package in, but she didn't make a copy of her affidavit. And she had a South African passport, I believe, or before that. Anyway, they turned her down and we didn't have a copy of what she sent in so we couldn't go back and and do anything on any kind of administrative appeal.
So that's the only example. The lesson of the story, keep copies of everything you sent in, please. Yeah. Yeah.
[01:53:45] Unknown:
So, anyway, I thought I'd share that. Thank you, Roger. That's good. Thank you. Roger, I just wanna Yeah. Go ahead. I wanna thank Ezana. And he was one of, our trust students, him and his wife. And Ezana is just really astute, and he studies the information. He's got a really good grasp of of your teachings and what we talk about. And so I just wanted to brag on him a little bit because he's Thank you. You know. He he's really, you know, pays attention and Yeah. And takes us seriously. Look, he just gave you an example of it. He wrote a very nice one page. Folks, you don't have to put in rings of paper trying to educate somebody. No. No. He he just told him what the law says and this is what I'm doing.
And now it's up to them once you serve them with that letter, it's up to them to overcome it and they couldn't. Right. And he got his passport.
[01:54:46] Unknown:
And and let me say something about the information's effect on Zana. Zana. Yeah. You told me the other day you were very shy. Right?
[01:54:59] Unknown:
Yes. I'm actually I was just telling Mark, actually, how hard it was for me and then I, to to speak and and, so that I haven't shared this with anyone for the last year and a half almost. Right. So here you come on Yeah. It is. Yeah. On our radio, Joe, with a worldwide audience,
[01:55:18] Unknown:
and you step forward and read this, would you say that the information is empowering you also?
[01:55:24] Unknown:
Oh, absolutely. It's ridiculous what it did to me. Yeah.
[01:55:29] Unknown:
It it is very, very, very important. If you're if you're new and you've heard me say this is life changing information, I'm not kidding you. It changed mine, and you hear these people just like this with Ezana. This information, if it strikes the right person, has the ability to change lives. And, boy, that is powerful, folks. That's just powerful. So thank you. We're glad you're on board, Azana. Yeah, Larry. What you got? Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. We're glad to have you. Yeah. Do you have any
[01:56:04] Unknown:
any, theories in your own mind as to why the passport office will actually send back? Now I understand they're gonna send back your, like, when you apply for a passport via a DS 11, you have to provide, your your, a certified copy of your birth certificate, and, of course, you always wanna include your your, affidavit. Do you have any theories in your mind why they they definitely return the, the birth certificate, but they always return the affidavit? Why don't they state it in the file? Well, they do. Already have it in there? I don't know. I did hear somebody raise something the other day that I thought was quite interesting
[01:56:49] Unknown:
that if it's an original copy of your affidavit, they'll send it back. Otherwise, they won't. Now I don't know if that's true or not, but it sounded fairly legit to me. Mark, you got something to add to that?
[01:57:02] Unknown:
Oh, it they're scanning them in. You know, they don't want all that paper.
[01:57:07] Unknown:
Yeah. And, you know, if you go and it's Larry, if you go to the state department website, you can follow and your progress, your passport application. You know that. Right? Yeah. I'm also I got my passport last year. Okay. Let me finish. I've been putting it off, but I'm definitely gonna do the privacy request. Well, let me finish here. Do you know where I'm saying you can go to the website and check the progress of your burst of your passport. Well, when I did that, was this how somehow I how I know this. Gal DJ, one of our gals, Nancy, went back.
She found this out, and she's the one that told me about this. And if you and I went and and did it myself. You can go and, there'll be a little box when you point your arrow, your cursor on certain things, and it'll have little boxes of information pop up. And one of them says your passport, your birth certificate, and citizenship. And that's where we got the term for it. And citizenship evidence will be, returned in separate care you know, separate times. If you've got an open passport that you put in, they'll send that back to you real quick. The others, they may dribble in, and you don't get the passport book and the passport card at the same time or from the same source. But it may be that it's original affidavits. Otherwise, I do not know.
[01:58:41] Unknown:
Maybe, Todd, with hit with some of his students can test that out. When they go to apply for their passport, maybe they can track it and do just like you described, do the drop down window to see if all of that stuff is being listed. That would be really good, and they could take a screenshot.
[01:58:58] Unknown:
Mhmm. Roger?
[01:59:00] Unknown:
Yes. Dave?
[01:59:02] Unknown:
I don't know if you remember maybe about a year ago,
[01:59:05] Unknown:
we we did a renewal, and we my wife didn't do it exactly as a renewal. She actually once they got it, and they they she didn't include pictures and money and all that or check. And, she wanted him to correct stuff. And they sent us a letter, and they said, if you don't send in, you know, pictures and a check for, you know, $30 each, we will return your citizenship evidence. Okay. And they never returned the evidence. We didn't send the checks. Well, we did, but they did they claimed they never got them. And should I hold? No. Were they cashed? Did somebody cash the check? You could see easily you did it. No. We we got those back. We well, no. We yeah. We got the check back, but, they didn't send our citizenship evidence back.
And, they claimed that they didn't get our stuff within the ninety days. And the app they absolutely did, but, so then we renewed we did it again, and we did it with the photos and the checks. And they, you know, we got them I told you we got them in, like, a week. And, they just sent our cards back, you know, with the cut out of it, and they never sent back our citizenship evidence. Well, sometimes they do. Sometimes they don't. What really matters is it is it copied, scanned into your file.
[02:00:41] Unknown:
And just like Larry said, do a, a privacy request act on your file. We've never had anybody that did it that the documents weren't there. So if you do it and they're not there, you'll be a first. Okay? We are at the end of a broadcast week, kiddies, and, I'm going to very often enjoy a weekend, short and abbreviated as it may be, and you do the same thing. Thank you. We'll see you later in. Talk to Paul. I guess he's over hovering over his machines or something. Now somebody got something there? Was there was a mic open?
[02:01:23] Unknown:
Roger, one question about the IRS with your note with your notice.
[02:01:29] Unknown:
Do you send it to the Philadelphia office office or the Washington DC office? I don't think it matters. You might as well send it to the treasury now because that's where, the new secretary commissioner of the IRS is Scott whatever his name is. Besant. Okay. Just send it to commissioner. Little bit on that, please. Get the get the, Washington address. It's Congress Street or something, and just send it to the, commissioner.
[02:01:59] Unknown:
Yeah. Okay. Thank you. It's on the national status website. If you go to nationalstatus.com or nationalstatus.info Uh-huh. They've got all the notice addresses listed over there. Okay. Good for them.
[02:02:14] Unknown:
So, alright. Anybody else got something for Raj?
[02:02:20] Unknown:
Roger?
[02:02:21] Unknown:
Yes, sir.
[02:02:26] Unknown:
Yes? I have one question. I'm a new student.
[02:02:29] Unknown:
Well, alright. Well, hold on. Talk talk right in. Let's get our let's get our audio straightened out so I can hear your question. You sound a bit faint. Are you on earbuds?
[02:02:40] Unknown:
No, sir. I'm on speaker. Are you on Bluetooth or something?
[02:02:44] Unknown:
Speaker. No, sir. Try to take it off speaker. Take it off speaker and speak right in the microphone, if you would. Is this better? Oh, about a thousand percent.
[02:02:56] Unknown:
Okay. Roger, my name is Darren. I've been listening for a while. I've actually been studying and trying to figure this out for about ten years. And I Yeah. Ran across your, information about two months ago. So this was yeah. Yeah, it was life changing. I was like, well, you know, big light bulb went off. Right? Here's it. Yeah. I have my affidavits. I'm actually finalizing them now. I'm planning on getting them notarized today and wanna send them in next week. The whole birth certificate thing, long form birth certificate, do I need that,
[02:03:28] Unknown:
to send it with my affidavit? Or No. Not not not unless you're sending it to the passport applicate, office through an application. Have you ever had a pass was it Dan, did you say, is your name?
[02:03:40] Unknown:
Darren.
[02:03:41] Unknown:
Darren. Barron. Oh, hey, Barron. Oh, what part of the country? D As In David. Darren. Darren. Okay. Louisiana. Alright. I'll get it straight in a second. Been a long week, Darren. So what part of the country are you in?
[02:03:55] Unknown:
I'm from Louisiana.
[02:03:57] Unknown:
Ah, where where about? Right around Baton Rouge area. Right North of Baton Rouge. Okay. Well, yeah, I guess you you know I went to LSU. Right?
[02:04:09] Unknown:
Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Okay.
[02:04:12] Unknown:
Okay. Well, as always, happy to help one of our Louisiana boys, Darren. So you were saying you if I ask you, have you had a passport before? No, sir. I don't. No. And I've if I remember right, y'all recommend waiting twenty something days before you're asking for your passport. Well, we recommend it because we don't know who we're talking to, and we're not having a direct conversation with them. I could ask you, do you have any skeletons in your closet, like drunk driving tickets and stuff you haven't dealt with or anything like that? No, sir. Then I don't think you'd have to wait twenty one days. That's for people in that situation.
So,
[02:04:52] Unknown:
you can probably Although I do have my my registration, I have a notice, or issue where my insurance company entered the wrong vehicle for a couple months. So they I think I think my driver's license actually is
[02:05:05] Unknown:
revoked right now. Okay. Well, that's okay. But do you have a copy of it? Because you're gonna have to have a copy of some sort of an ID when you go do this. Yeah. Yeah. Mhmm. Now was somebody trying to say something here? Hold on, Darren. Is somebody trying to say something?
[02:05:23] Unknown:
Okay. Let's go back to You mean I lost my train of thought? Okay. Well, let let Oh, I'm Roger, I remember what it was. Okay. There there are some people that are not sending an initial notice to the, Department of State And that's okay. Secretary of State's office. And instead, they're opting to send in their affidavit for the first time with their passport application. Mhmm. And to me, when you send it in with your passport application, that really locks you into the system as identifying you.
[02:05:57] Unknown:
That's the way we did it for the first five or six years or more until this situation with this guy in California came up. And because of that one guy, we had to alter everything because I don't have a conversations with everybody that's filing this. And I don't and and if you don't send if you are one of those people that have got skeletons in your closet and you don't send in that one page affidavit with a cover letter, then you don't have any grounds for an administrative appeal. What? Roger, let's talk about this. You get that? Do you get that? Yeah. When you say Everybody get that? If you don't have some Yeah. I did. Okay. Well, they might not. They come in and like they did with this guy, they revoked his current open passport.
They rejected his passport application, and they kept his $140. And he had no appeal. If you had a one page affidavit naked in, you'd have a basis at least for an administrative appeal in an argument. That's the whole reason. One guy.
[02:07:03] Unknown:
Sure. Sure. Let's explain a little bit. When you say skeletons in the closet, that's a pretty vague term. What you mean is, like, there are certain conditions that you cannot get a passport. If you got an open felony warrant against you, you're not gonna get a passport. If you owe, child support, I think it's above 35,000, you're not gonna get a passport and they're gonna keep your money. So yes, Ezana.
[02:07:30] Unknown:
Mark, it's boring, Mark. Oh, I'm sorry. If you do it yeah. Yeah. How you doing, Mark? If you do it like Royer said, you're gonna get your passport because I was a sample that I cannot get a passport. And when I did it with Reuters, I send the affidavit to the state department first. And then I send full of passport, they gave it to me. There you go. If you do it the other way around, you're not gonna get it. Because You might. They will have nothing on file like you are a US citizen.
[02:08:00] Unknown:
Well, no. Wait. It doesn't you'll you'll get it because they people did for the first seven, eight years till this one situation came up. I wonder if But no. But not if you don't supposed to get a pass cord, brother. Not if you got skin it or the necklace, you know? Okay. Well, at least if they send it to you, you know? Yeah. Well, if they'd send it to you, great. But at least if they rejected you, then you could go back and hold their feet to the fire a little bit. Don't know how they'd react. We've never had it happen since. But that one incident, and I tell you on the air here that all the things we teach you have been thought through. Well, here's a perfect example of that.
Okay? Yep. So Darren, let's go back to you. Alright? So Okay. Being is that you've never had one before, you're gonna have to go in and use a d s eleven first time form. And that requires you to have a certified copy of your birth certificate. And it will ask you two questions. Are your parents citizens of The United States? Answer that truthfully, unless they filed an affidavit they are. And it doesn't make any difference, but answered honestly is my suggestion. And, there's one one other, the the the the the that. And you gotta sign it in front of an administrating official, either at the post office or if your area doesn't have an authorized agent at the post office, you will go in front of a judge or at least go to the judge's office to process it.
So you probably got an authorized agent at the post office right there where you are, and, you shouldn't have any problems. You you are gonna have to have a picture ID even though they may have suspended your license. I you still got it. Right? Yes. I have a one other question coming from Chris. Okay. Well, let's walk let me walk through this while I got it in my mind, and we'll address that. So that you've gotta have a picture ID, or if you don't have one, you've got to have someone with you that's known you for two years that has one, and supposedly, they'll accept that also. K? Now what was your question?
[02:10:18] Unknown:
Okay. So, I'm planning on and this is one of the reasons why I'm doing this. It's for my daughter. I have a 10 year old daughter that I've been in family court with for her whole life. And, I'm planning on sending in an affidavit for her also. However, last time we went into court, the judge ruled that I participate in her getting a, a passport. Although, on the passport form, and I pointed out that one of the boxes you have to check when you're signing for your child to get a passport, which is her mother was the one that was pushing for the password. I didn't want her to get one. It says that I, I agree or whatever that I'm in agreement with my child getting a passport.
And I kept telling the judge, how can you force me to perjure myself? Because I don't want her to get a passport, and you're forcing me to do it. Right? So So that was a big argument, although they they forced me to do it. But the point is my daughter does already have a passport. If I remember right, I'm sure they her mother checked off US citizen.
[02:11:26] Unknown:
So I'm just sending this affidavit in saying that she's not. Alright. So how do I proceed with that? Well, first of all, the mother never had a chance to check that she wasn't. They don't ask you that question. They make you understand what's happening and submit this paperwork to change it. They don't ask you. They're under a presumption that you already are. Of course, with your daughter, she's never answered the two questions yes. And you don't have to do this for her immediately. Although, do you have primary? You you and your wife share custody on her?
[02:11:59] Unknown:
Yeah. We have fifty fifty.
[02:12:04] Unknown:
You could, you could just file an affidavit with the state department and not and and not even get another passport for it gives us an opportunity. Well, you can and you can wait. It's not gonna affect her unless there's a potential. And let are you and your wife on good terms, your ex wife?
[02:12:25] Unknown:
No. No. And she's she's a 180 degrees opposite me. Everything I believe in and, like, this type of stuff, she's completely She's got she's a 100% brainwashed and yeah. Yeah.
[02:12:40] Unknown:
That's a yeah. She's only 10. The only potential repercussion, I don't think it affects you, either one of you, is, some kind of CPS crap. You know, child protective services, and this would protect her against that.
[02:12:57] Unknown:
That that and the we're also, in fact, I'm fixing to file a lawsuit, against her mother and her doctor because they insist on keeping her vaccinated with all these new vaccinations and the, the childhood vaccines. And, I'm I'm currently fighting that. I I I evaded it last year, but she's coming back again. And, unfortunately, the only thing where I really got dinged at in court was the mother was given the right to make medical decisions. So because I brought up stuff like this. Right? Yeah. And and and proof, you know, that these things were dangerous or whatever. But, you know, nobody wants to hear about it. Unfortunately, if if somebody has a degree and has an opinion, they override, you know, you Yeah. That has actually done the research on it. So,
[02:13:50] Unknown:
that's my next step. I I have to do this pretty quickly. Yeah. It doesn't have to be done. It, with your daughter, it doesn't have to be done today. So let's noodle on it. Let's get you on the path and get you real settled. She's only 10. Mhmm. Probably Mhmm. I I I'd say let's just put it off on the back burner for the moment and get yourself settled in, and then you wanna revisit it due. That's where the yeah. Man, what a sticky situation. Well, my my thing is,
[02:14:21] Unknown:
Roger, is that, I mean, one of the premises of this lawsuit I'm following is that my daughter has, you know, kinda using the liberal, talking points against themselves that she has a right to make decisions for herself about her own body. Right?
[02:14:36] Unknown:
Not at 10 years old. And this wouldn't this
[02:14:39] Unknown:
wouldn't this, well, that's what we're trying to fight. But, wouldn't this have, you know, kind of it it it undoes the the parent's patrick of the the doctor, like, the other person from Louisiana that was saying that, you know, when her child was trying to be held by the hospital and she she presented this affidavit and they said, you're right. We don't have authority over here. That's kinda where I'm going with this or if I'm gonna go. That that's what I would use as an example for you to aspire to. But right now, as you're so new,
[02:15:07] Unknown:
it doesn't sound like you're in danger of that stuff happening right now. What, Marca?
[02:15:13] Unknown:
Can can, Darren can reach out to me on National Status Freedom Telegram, so I can try to help them with some of that too because I help parent mothers and fathers too Right. With their children.
[02:15:27] Unknown:
And Merca's got a young daughter too. Want to reach out. You got Telegram? Are you on Telegram, Darren? Yes, sir. Three words. National status freedom. Okay. Alright. And then Merck is the, the creator and the, the the den mother of that 500 plus group over there.
[02:15:52] Unknown:
Okay. Well, welcome. If I might have people
[02:15:55] Unknown:
have always tickled to have somebody from Louisiana on with us, especially right there close to Baton Rouge. And, so
[02:16:05] Unknown:
don't feel shy. Close to Dwayne Dwayne out there, Roger?
[02:16:09] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, those about 90 miles or a 100 miles north of Dwayne. There's a few of them out there. Yeah. We've got two or three If I might have the full time There you there's that. Do what now, Brent?
[02:16:22] Unknown:
If I might have the full time, there's also the after show. We we we aren't chopped chicken liver, high yield.
[02:16:30] Unknown:
No. No. And I wasn't trying to imply that you were. We love all of you. Have you got something for Darren here? You got any Louisiana roots we don't know about, Brent?
[02:16:42] Unknown:
No. No. No. I was just saying he could stay on for the after call
[02:16:47] Unknown:
and talk to us because we're on there most of the day. Darren, the this this after show channel, sometimes these people stay on here till the damn middle of the night. Okay? So if you want to hang around and they're they're good students, they've been around here like Brent, my old friend there. And, they can answer questions for you too. Glad to have you. Thanks for stepping forward. And, don't be shy around here. You're among family now.
[02:17:18] Unknown:
Okay. I appreciate it. And how how exactly do I get in touch with Marco on Telegram?
[02:17:23] Unknown:
National, one word, status space status space freedom. National status freedom. And she monitors call her attention on the Well, she monitors it, and she'll be having to let give you permission and stuff. So you'll have that exchange with her. Okay?
[02:17:45] Unknown:
Okay. I appreciate it. Yeah. I also wanna that. Just real quick. There's there's a sample of the children's affidavit on nationalstatus.info. If you need it. Yeah. Under the affidavit, there's a drop down for child's affidavit documents builder and you can put in the appropriate information. It'll create the affidavits for you. So You know? Yeah. I've actually analyzed both of those. Okay. Good. So you're aware of that? I will say that there is some information in there that's not correct.
[02:18:16] Unknown:
Which one in which one? National Status Freedom? On the child's on the child's yeah. On the child's affidavit, the, secretary of state is wrong. And in the affidavit, it doesn't say where's that? I haven't got it on it. It doesn't say, it says being duly sworn under the penal perjury, the laws of The United States, not The United States Of America. Like, the of America isn't in there. K. Okay. Well, that that would be a nice edit. That'd be a good edit for them to do more. Yeah. I know Dave's listening because he's been posting in the chat box. So
[02:18:52] Unknown:
I'm I'm sure he'll pick up on that and and make the correction. So thank you for bringing that to our attention because sometimes things can slip through the cracks, and it's, good to have you point it out for us.
[02:19:05] Unknown:
Yeah. No problem.
[02:19:06] Unknown:
Roger? Alright. Hold on, Larry. Yes, Larry.
[02:19:13] Unknown:
Yeah. Something Darren said that was interesting, that his his wife was given, all of the, you know, the ability to make medical decisions because, I guess, he volunteered information and was speaking his opinion about what he thought about those types of, you know, practices. Yeah. And that's just a lesson to be learned because we should not be volunteering information before a judge or an officer. There's this, there's this attorney that I listen to on on YouTube. I think his last name is Judge, but he has a book out that's entitled or not entitled, but titled, I don't answer questions without an attorney.
And, the only thing that you're required to give them is is just identification and proof of insurance. Mhmm. You don't have to answer their questions. And if you're in a court, you should not be volunteering, you know, your opinions about this stuff because they're not gonna even know what you're talking about, and they're gonna deem you a sovereign citizen nut job.
[02:20:18] Unknown:
Darren, I've got a situation in the past ten years or more ago that's the exact opposite of yours. The Mhmm. Is an engineer in Huntsville, Alabama. Sharp kid. I had gone to Europe. You know, the old story, met a girl, fell in love. I don't know whether he got her pregnant over there or not. But, anyway, they got married. She moved to Huntsville. I don't remember which country. And, so then they did have the child, and the grandparents wanted to come over and be around the grandchild. And so they came over, and he was just listening to us here. And they thought he was crazy as a loon because that was when the Southern Poverty Law Center came out with their big, sovereign citizen thing, and it was being talked about and all that.
And so, he had all the medical decisions over their child. And he didn't want it to get vaccines exactly like you, but he had to say so. And so they sued him to on that aspect And in the suit now they're the moving party. Okay? So in the suit, they include he said, Roger, I think they put a copy of your book in there. Put a copy of the affidavit and and and all this information about what we were teaching here. And because they were the moving party, the court accepted it. And so now it's in it's in the proceedings. Right? And so they call him up on the stand, and he starts reading the affidavit.
Mark, have you ever heard this story? I'll bet you haven't. So he's on the stand reading the affidavit, and the judge goes, don't read that document in this courtroom.
[02:22:14] Unknown:
Oh, I didn't want it in the record. No. Although it already was.
[02:22:20] Unknown:
So, yeah, that's, I've got the experience of the opposite of your situation, Darren.
[02:22:27] Unknown:
Well, in in my lawsuit, I did bring a bunch of, unconventional, thought in terms and laws and, case law in, and and that's why I ultimately won. They knew I wasn't scared of them. I had nothing to lose. And you say you ultimately won? They didn't even know you even existed. I know. Win there? Yeah. I want the only thing they took from me, they they removed domiciliary status from mother. The only thing they did was gave her, decisions ultimate decisions over medical decisions, which they you know, they were arguing that somebody has to have ultimate decision. Right? So they gave me they gave me decisions over other not not so it was important stuff. You know? But, yeah, I won and then they appealed. And, I went to appellate court, and I represented myself there as well. And I won the appellate court. Man. Congratulations.
[02:23:24] Unknown:
Yeah. It's impressive. That's a lot of work to write in an appellate brief. I know I've written several.
[02:23:30] Unknown:
Man. Well, Darren, welcome to the family. We're glad to meet you. Nice to have a a homeboy down there. Another one. There's about four about four guys from Louisiana, Dwayne in, in New Orleans, in in Baron and Byron. And I don't remember which one. One of them lives up in Monroe, and the other one's down around you in the boot, I think. We hadn't heard from them. Yeah. Well, we hadn't heard from them in a while, but Merkur can put you in touch with them. Sure. That'd be great. Okay. It's always nice it's nice to have somebody that you like to find in your area. So good. That's why I asked you where you're from so that the if there's somebody there in their area, I'll bird dog you to them. Okay. Bruce, I heard, and there's a female before Bruce. Females for was there. Me. Is that me?
Oh, the mermaid. Yes. Hi. Hello.
[02:24:28] Unknown:
Good to hear you, Darren. Yeah. I just tuned in. I was, I guess guided to, listen in. And when you said about, the, affidavit and what were you were saying about the secretary of state? What was wrong?
[02:24:43] Unknown:
When I'm sorry, my name what exactly is on that?
[02:24:47] Unknown:
You said on the affidavit the example in the,
[02:24:50] Unknown:
I said it's not info. Is that the So on the on the child's on the child, version, the the it doesn't say Marco Rubio. It was the previous secretary of state. Yeah. Well, you can fix that. You know? But that's just an update. You also reference just sit hold on, Martin. Also,
[02:25:07] Unknown:
just use the within jurat instead of the without jurat. A nice edit would be to put of America in there. K? So that's the two things he was saying.
[02:25:19] Unknown:
Okay. And, in that declaration, you read, something else in there. There's a one sentence. We always talk about the one sentence, but I think I'm the only one that has turned in the one sentence. You don't add on to it anything. You don't have to put about the laws. All you have to put is I, and your name, declare my intention to be a national and not a citizen of The United States. All you need. Period. You can add it. Okay. You can add America if you want on there, but and,
[02:25:49] Unknown:
oh, I being the most born. But I No. You're not. No. No. America is what you're trying to move into, not what you're trying to get out of.
[02:25:58] Unknown:
Okay. So leave it how they have it. This is a sentence they have on on their own website. But I I think I forgot their, I, my name, being duly sworn. I re I took that part out and put in being affirmed by God. So that's my one sentence. Yeah. It doesn't necessarily
[02:26:17] Unknown:
what you say as long as you rebut the presumption. That's what you gotta accomplish. You see? Right. See, they can't rebut that.
[02:26:26] Unknown:
That's what I'm saying. Before you add in there, it's important for them to rebut. That's why you don't wanna put in your belt. This law and that law and the fourteenth amendment and a little bit back. Well, my shameful affidavit leaves very little wiggle room. It expands on that. But it also adds a second paragraph
[02:26:44] Unknown:
specifically for IRS. And that that's what most people wanna get rid of. Okay? So that's why there's a method to the madness on everything we do here.
[02:26:57] Unknown:
Yeah. But there that can be separate steps too. Initially, that one sentence in particular is what's necessary. I'm just saying you don't have to add any other Yeah. Decorative stuff to it. But Just that. I Good. Your name. Yeah. Being affirmed by God, declared my intention to be a national and not a citizen. Certainly, the simple you keep it, the better. K? The more information
[02:27:22] Unknown:
you put forward, the more instances you give somebody to, confront you on it. Simpler the better. Exactly.
[02:27:31] Unknown:
And that's that's their wording except for being duly sworn, which we're not supposed to do, and I put being affirmed by God. So I just wanna make sure because, you get new people in here, and I just want them to know that you do have that alternative.
[02:27:45] Unknown:
Yes. Thank you, Murr. Okay, Darren. You got anything else? I'm gonna go hustle off here and watch this season's first football game. I forgot about our buddy, Bruce. I'm I stay corrected. Bruce, what do you got? Thank you, Roger.
[02:28:01] Unknown:
Just wanna let him know. I went to Louisiana Tech and got a art degree, graphic design degree, and a photography degree. Yeah. That's one of those northern schools.
[02:28:12] Unknown:
Yep.
[02:28:13] Unknown:
Way up north. The first control engineering school. Yes. It's way up north around Ruston. Yeah. It is Ruston. I know. I know. Okay. It's okay. Thank you, Bruce. Alright. Pastor, just to let you know you got a bunch of homeboys around here. Okay?
[02:28:33] Unknown:
Yeah. You're right.
[02:28:35] Unknown:
Good. Can there is that Dwayne? No. This is Sketch. Oh, I thought it was Dwayne for a second. Hey, Sketch. You got a Louisiana type sketch?
[02:28:46] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. You're right. I lived in New Orleans on the West Bank for about, three well, when I was young, very young. Went, five five, six years. Yeah.
[02:29:01] Unknown:
Okay. No. A very, an enchanting city. It used to be New Orleans. Did you see where they erect arrested the mayor and her chief of her security staff recently? What about that? Darren, do you hear about you heard about that. I'm sure she's in New Orleans. Right? I sure did. Yep. They they arrested her. They didn't just charge her. They arrested her, didn't they?
[02:29:25] Unknown:
Yes. As far as I know. Yeah. It's about time. Fantastic.
[02:29:28] Unknown:
Roger, I got one other thing to talk about. Alright, Bruce.
[02:29:32] Unknown:
Hey, Roger. I gotta go. I gotta go. Mark, I'm right behind you. Thanks, buddy. Glad to have you on. Okay. You're welcome. Bye bye. Alright. Ciao. I'm in Abbevillion,
[02:29:41] Unknown:
and you got an Abbeville City down at the foot of the of the, bay there. Abbeville, they've got two squares. We have one square in South Carolina. That's where I'm from. But there's an Abbeville, Louisiana.
[02:29:55] Unknown:
Yeah. I think that's right. Probably down there around Lake Pontchartrain.
[02:30:01] Unknown:
Right in the middle of the boot.
[02:30:03] Unknown:
Yeah. Down there around Lake Pontchartrain. Yeah. Okay. Cool. Alright. Anybody else? Well, they would the Huguenots wouldn't have been moving to Louisiana because that's where the French were that were persecuting them.
[02:30:20] Unknown:
Yeah. Roger, I The king the king gave them refuge in his territory. Okay. The Catholics were persecuting us.
[02:30:31] Unknown:
Of course. Okay. Who Sketch, was that you?
[02:30:37] Unknown:
Roger. I also lived on Right. Yeah. I I also lived on Lake Pontchartrain, and I wanted to you started there was conversation about Cracker Barrel. If you look at the new logo, it's a swash hexagram, and, you know what kind of star if it's in a hexagram.
[02:30:52] Unknown:
Damn. Well, I'm sorry. Kosher. Cracker Barrel. Oh, oh, yeah. Well, we need a Cracker Barrel Kosher for sure. Gah. Damn these damn BlackRock son of a gun. So, Darren, welcome. We'll look forward to more questions and conversation with you. Yep. And, so feel free to join us often. Okay? Yes, Larry. So so what?
[02:31:16] Unknown:
Hold on. Yeah. I was just gonna say, you haven't you said in the past that you could use the within or the without on a declaration? Either one of them would work. Prefer
[02:31:28] Unknown:
but what's that? Either one of them would work.
[02:31:32] Unknown:
Do you think, it's more preferable to include America, because you're dealing with a child?
[02:31:37] Unknown:
No. I think it's more preferable to use of America because you're dealing from without the federal government instead of within. It's just a little little persnickety thing on on my end. But, yes, I would always use the without JURAD because it's talking about with the without their political, jurisdiction. It's not physical. It's political. Okay?
[02:32:06] Unknown:
Alright. Roger.
[02:32:08] Unknown:
Yes, Joan. Thank you, Roger. Thank you. Thank you, Boris. I can't get away. Yes, Joan.
[02:32:14] Unknown:
If Darren has a affidavit affidavit for his daughter, of of of national, status, then can she say if if she has that, can she then say I don't want any vaccine? Or that's and does that override her mind?
[02:32:33] Unknown:
Well, I think she'd still be because she isn't an age of majority under someone's, authority. Now at 10 years old, they just don't let the 10 year olds go do that kind of stuff. K? So anybody else got something for me?
[02:32:52] Unknown:
Yes, Robert. Roger. This is Shane.
[02:32:56] Unknown:
Okay, Shane. Hey, man.
[02:32:59] Unknown:
Hey. I I'm still chasing the same tail.
[02:33:04] Unknown:
Okay. We're glad to get my Well, we hadn't forgot about it. We're working on it. Okay?
[02:33:10] Unknown:
Oh, well, no.
[02:33:13] Unknown:
I don't know. Maybe I wanna add to it. Well, I don't know how much more you do then. We're working on it, Shane. Crap. Ain't like I got a hey, Shane. It ain't like I got a full staff around here. Okay?
[02:33:27] Unknown:
Alright. Alright. So, no, I was gonna talk about my, cryptocurrencies,
[02:33:32] Unknown:
which was No. Stoned from me twenty years ago. So Well, in that case, I'm leaving because you ain't never gonna get anything like that back. So quit your chasing a pipe dream. Put your attention to more productive things. Paul, are you still with us? Are you chasing machines or what?
[02:33:50] Unknown:
No. I'm still with us. Okay. Well,
[02:33:54] Unknown:
get get a hold of me, and let's figure out something on this damn thing and get it set up, please. Okay? If we can.
[02:34:01] Unknown:
Yeah. Okay. Okay. Alright. Thank you. Alright.
[02:34:05] Unknown:
Alright. Just get a hold of me. I'm gonna be home. Okay?
[02:34:08] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:34:09] Unknown:
Alright. See y'all later. Darren, welcome. We'll see you on Monday with well, John may be there this week. We'll see. Okay? Ciao. Love all of you. Have a great abbreviated weekend. Thank you, Rodney. Okay. You're more than welcome. Ciao.
[02:34:27] Unknown:
Goodbye. Go where you go wrong. I have a question, you know. If we have the fifth amendment and the fourth amendment, why when the police stop you, you incriminate yourself giving them paperwork that they could use against you in a court of law? Why you don't stay quiet, don't give them nothing, and invoke your rights? I think that's one of the problems. The we start giving them paperwork and start talking, opening our mouths, and we don't stay quiet. And they take advantage of that. Are you?
[02:35:17] Unknown:
Social intercourse. CEO. Right. Social intercourse becomes commercial intercourse. Sorry, Sketch, for stopping on you.
[02:35:29] Unknown:
No worries. Go ahead.
[02:35:31] Unknown:
You are not under commerce.
[02:35:35] Unknown:
Well, they're gonna presume you in. In fact, it was interesting. I I I had thought about it. I finally saw somebody actually named Pope Francis on their UCC. One statement or three statement thing. I got a I sent a, print of that to Sheldon. So I've I've got a follow-up with the guy from 2021
[02:35:53] Unknown:
or 2023, something like that, see what see whatever became of that.
[02:36:00] Unknown:
Boy, there is a guy that says, am I arrest under arrest, or am I free to go? And when they say, no. You're not free to go. Well, then I'm on arrest. Bring me my Miranda rights. And once they read the Miranda rights, he doesn't give them anything because,
[02:36:14] Unknown:
you know, Miranda He got the right to stay quiet and the right not to incriminate himself. If he give them paperwork, he's already incriminating himself because that paperwork they're gonna use in court. Yeah. But we don't we don't use our rights because we we we give them paperwork and we give them everything that they ask us because we are scared to go to jail. But we have to think about protecting our rights. If we don't flex our muscles, they're gonna keep doing that to us because the first thing you do is give them their license and registration and that's it. They got proof that you are on the commerce because you don't stay quiet and you help them to mess your life.
[02:37:02] Unknown:
You can't on the affidavit. That's all over the case right there. They can't go any further.
[02:37:12] Unknown:
Mark did put a challenge out today in the chat. It says, Saul, you right to travel folks. Please provide a case that overcomes Hendrick and versus Maryland. So that one's, I guess, a right to travel negative case, and it needs to be overcome, supposedly.
[02:37:41] Unknown:
I have a comment.
[02:37:44] Unknown:
Go ahead. What do you know?
[02:37:47] Unknown:
Any of you guys familiar with the the video of Sean in South Carolina? Him and his wife are open. He had to stop, and he goes on the paperwork, tells him to call. And at the point where the after giving the third police officer, the dirty cop comes up and talks to his other deputies probably. And he's they they insist that he gets out of the car. He says he won't get out of the car, and he'll defend himself. So, obviously, they smashed the window, and that's where the video ends. But his name is Sean. It said the video is on Paul's website, docs that expose the matrix under recents, and, talked about so the other guy that was talking about don't say nothing.
If am I am I being detained or am I free to go? You're being detained. Well, then I'm under arrest. Please read me my Miranda rights. I I think most of the time, they're gonna be they're gonna arrest you, and you're gonna have to go to jail. But is anybody familiar with that guy Sean and the status of him? The video is labeled 08/19/2024, m p four. So
[02:39:18] Unknown:
You can accept anything. Yeah. You can accept anything upon proof of claim. You know? So just accept everything they give you and then send it back to them upon proof of claim. You know, are you who's bringing the claim? And ask it again. Is there another person you know that's bringing the claim? That'd be the second witness in the bottle.
[02:39:41] Unknown:
We're talking about a traffic stop situation. You're sitting in your car. You've got your window down four inches, five inches. They keep asking you, would you mind stepping out of the car and come talk to us? And you sit there, whatever. He's telling them that he's a national and he's under foreign status. He's he's not a citizen. So you gotta be prepared to go to jail because they're not gonna let you go, then they're gonna be taking care of them.
[02:40:11] Unknown:
Yeah. The most they could hold you would be $72, I guess.
[02:40:15] Unknown:
Yep. So you have to That's the problem. That's
[02:40:18] Unknown:
the problem. People have to make them accountable when they take you to jail and you have to pay for the card, you know, because you're not under the jurisdiction. You have to, you know, they have to pay you for your car. But the problem is people are not willing to go to jail and go through that process. You know, like, the the police gonna take you to jail if you don't give them your paperwork. Or if you tell them that you are an astronaut and give them your passport, they gonna take you to jail. But people are not willing to go through that process, and they don't know. Most of them don't know how to go through the process. They go to court and all that.
Because people just learn one thing, that they got the right to travel. And that's the only thing they learn. And they wanna travel, but they don't know how to defend that right. Because we are dealing with people that they don't care about your right. The police don't care. They just don't care because he just want money. And the police just want to be the the bully in the street. Like, what I say is what it goes.
[02:41:35] Unknown:
Well, you're a 100% correct on all of that. I was just wondering if any of you guys remember Sean and and watched that video.
[02:41:45] Unknown:
Did you get it is this Victor? Yes. It is. Did you get her e his email by any chance through anybody here?
[02:41:54] Unknown:
Yeah. That one lady that goes by j w or something gave it to me yesterday. Okay. [email protected].
[02:42:04] Unknown:
Yeah. So you might email him to find out what happened. We don't know. He he showed up for a while. Yeah. He showed up for a while and then disappeared.
[02:42:14] Unknown:
Well, I already sent him two emails with links to the video. So I don't know if it's something that was accurate me.
[02:42:22] Unknown:
Something that I found very something that I found very telling was John's story, the farmer guy who had inherited the big farm, I guess, in Indiana. He had he had night and day differences, and he thinks it's because finally he got the, notices to the right people. But he had experience where they, you know, illegally really pulled him over, arrested him and tore his car apart. And then situations where they treat him with kid gloves, very polite, and let him go even if he's over a 100 miles an hour on the freeway. So
[02:43:02] Unknown:
Yeah. Because that's the problem, Skerge, that people don't they are not willing to go through that process, you know. These people are ignorant like we was before. They don't know that we are nationals or The US citizens are slaves. They don't know that. They just think that when they stop you, you hit the red light, we give you a ticket. You hit the stop sign, we give you a ticket. They don't know better. You know? They've been indoctrinated like all of us.
[02:43:33] Unknown:
Well, I'm fairly new to this information about two years now, and I just got done doing my state attorney general notice letter. And that's about ready to go out, and then all the other notices are gonna go out. So I'm at that point now where I'm just about ready to be done with the notices and then the whole IRS learning experience. But beyond that, it really got me thinking because of all the codes that he mentioned to this guy, Sean, title 18 section subsection 31, what a motor vehicle is defined as specifically. And I realize that I don't know shit, obviously, but I wanted to get your take on the exact same situation, what you would do differently. Because his biggest thing was he had a concealed weapon on his waistband, and he said, I will defend myself.
Then the police officer said, we're gonna remove you out of the car, which is a big stupid thing. So I yield on that.
[02:44:43] Unknown:
Hey. To the student that's looking for information about Sean, Paul has a couple of recordings where he talked about that whole incident, so you may wanna get with Paul Beaner and ask him about it. I think he posted them in the archive somewhere. There's a couple of times he came on the after show. One time is he spent, like, a whole thirty minutes talking about everything, so that'll give you some information. And one of the things he did that a lot of us don't agree with is he's telling the police officers he's a foreign national. He's presenting his passport, and he's saying I am a foreign national. Now that is a misrepresentation because we're not foreign nothing.
We we are American nationals. If you need to identify yourself as a national, you should say you're an American national. And another thing he did that I disagree with is he would attempt to argue his case on the side of a road. Roger has always discouraged all of us from doing that. That's very dangerous. I listened to this, attorney pretty regularly on YouTube, and his last name is Judge. He has a book out called, I don't ask I don't answer questions without an attorney. He said, you use those seven words every time the officer asks you a question.
You say that you say those seven words back, and you wanna argue everything in court. And, so, you know, Sean would present all of this information and statutes and things like that. These cops have no idea what you're talking about, and that is just gonna further escalate the the traffic stop, in my opinion. So it's better not to say anything to to just remain silent and let the cop know if, you know, if he asks, is this your identification? Well, do I need to answer that question?
[02:46:50] Unknown:
You know, every but he's got You shouldn't give nothing to the police. Nothing. Nothing. Not even your ID.
[02:46:58] Unknown:
There okay. There are some states that, require you to identify yourself. So what are you gonna do? If you don't identify yourself with a traffic stop, then they can take you to to the jailhouse.
[02:47:12] Unknown:
Do do you really wanna go through all that? Now, John Garland came on the show. The problem. People are not willing to face the muscle, but they want rights, but they're not freedom is not free. You have to flex your muscle.
[02:47:26] Unknown:
John Garland came on the show the one day. I don't know if you're listening, Bory, listening when he came on. And he he believes he figured out a way a work around with, presenting your license,
[02:47:38] Unknown:
your driver's license to a car. Don't answer questions and don't give them nothing. That's it.
[02:47:44] Unknown:
No. No. John Garland, do were you were you listening when he came on the air and was telling you telling him, the audience about his situations with traffic stops?
[02:47:54] Unknown:
Hey, Larry. Why do you have to put the guy's name out there? We already know who he is. Don't put his name out there. You're drawing a great big target on his back, and don't do it with anyone else.
[02:48:10] Unknown:
What do you mean? He's he already identified himself when he comes on the show. Well, well, you don't need to go and put it out there.
[02:48:18] Unknown:
Use your head.
[02:48:21] Unknown:
Excuse me. I'm just explaining the situation. He's already identified himself. You could you could just hey.
[02:48:29] Unknown:
Do as you're told. Don't throw his name out there.
[02:48:36] Unknown:
Furthering I don't wanna get burned, but anyway,
[02:48:40] Unknown:
this individual notified the fusion, the state fusion center, and various law enforcement agencies, And he said that he put his driver's license number, his passport numbers, I believe his plates, his plate numbers on the notices. That way everything is tied together in that system, along with a copy of his affidavit that he's a that he's a national, and that ties everything together. And that way, if a traffic cop looks up that information in that database system, which is connected with the department of justice. It's a shared database system between the federal and the states, and even local law enforcement, that they will see that you're a national, and they will more than likely just hand you your license back and say have a nice day because they realize they don't have jurisdiction, and there's probably some type of identifier, that says do not detain.
[02:49:46] Unknown:
Could you repeat where he puts that in could you repeat where he puts that information? Could you repeat where he puts that information on his another affidavit or what? No. No. You The driver's license number. It's just like it's just like your local notices.
[02:50:03] Unknown:
You you wanna you wanna include the attorney you wanna include the attorney general, your sheriff, all the counties that you travel through or drive through, whether it's it's one state or multiple states, if you're if you're, traveling through these states on a constant basis, then you wanna notify the counties, the county officials in those states, the law enforcement, and, some some counties have sheriff's and police departments, a police chief, some don't. So you're gonna have to, you know, do your research, and then you wanna include the the fusion center, the DMV of your state, and you wanna tie them all together through the law of agency.
So this individual did this, and he has had really good success.
[02:50:56] Unknown:
Well, I just got done spending two whole days looking up all these names and addresses of all police officers in all the counties I'm gonna be traveling through in the shares and the prosecuting attorneys, on and on. And it got me to thinking about also doing the state of Alaska where I live most of my life at the same time. And I was wondering, does it matter if I'm not if I'm not actually living or whatever the proper term is in the state of Alaska? Alaska, notify all those guys also. Not only Washington state, but Alaska.
[02:51:33] Unknown:
Victor, you can put Alaska on notice. You don't have to be domiciled where you're noticing. That's perfectly fine. And, Larry, you can try on the fog line. I've done it. It takes facts. It takes a backbone. It takes the knowledge to know how to go against these foes. Takes practice. You have to know in your skull and your skull that you're right and correct. But you take a lot to do that, and a lot of people don't wanna do that. It's easier to acquiesce. You've got a pocketbook so they're willing to use it. I stand behind my card. I stood firm. He got it. I'm done.
[02:52:16] Unknown:
Yeah. I would never say that, I'm not saying anything until I have an attorney. That's jurisdictional. Jurisdictional right there. You put yourself in jurisdiction. You'd wanna say something like counsel because you can take your own counsel. It may not be great counsel, but, you know,
[02:52:32] Unknown:
if you get an attorney Say nothing. You got the right to stay quiet no
[02:52:37] Unknown:
intimidate yourself. Why do you always talk over people
[02:52:41] Unknown:
for peace? Because you you that's the problem with people. People talk too much. And they don't they don't they don't I'm saying They say I can write, but they don't I'm rejected by what you're saying. Saying for a reason because it's just gonna get you in trouble. Saying nothing is fine, boy. That's not probably Oh, I'm gonna be in trouble. I'm gonna be in trouble. Is bullshit. Life is trouble. Here because you're disrespectful. Frick. Life is trouble, Sketch.
[02:53:11] Unknown:
No. That's not Sketch. But, I will say this. I think
[02:53:18] Unknown:
I have a question for the board.
[02:53:20] Unknown:
I think Robert Roger has said that it might be a good idea to notify the governor.
[02:53:28] Unknown:
And I did.
[02:53:30] Unknown:
Yep. Yes. Yeah. Okay. I I just wanted to point that out. Thank you.
[02:53:36] Unknown:
I was actually also thinking about my experience in Puyallup, Washington going to a sportsman's warehouse. And if you wanna purchase a firearm there, they make you do a online hunter's education first first. And then when I presented my affidavit to them, their their process is they have to call the ATF first. And I was declined telling me that I have to get a non something visa, nonimmigrant visa. Just so what I was getting at is not only notifying your state attorney general, secretary of state, IRS, but also ATF, FBI, all those guys, anybody that you might wanna especially purchasing a firearm.
I know that you can do it at a gun show. I know all of that. But I just wanted to do the test or what you people think if the ATF had your affidavit on file. I yield.
[02:54:52] Unknown:
You know, we're taking it for granted that when we turn in when we file that citizenship affidavit, regardless of whether we're filing it with the United States Department of State, with our state attorney generals, and we're cc'ing it to all the lower agencies. We're taking it for granted that they're doing that for us. We don't know if they're cc'ing it to all the law enforcement officers or to the agencies, to the police agency, to my local my city, mayor and council members. We don't know if the Department of State in Washington is cc'ing that to all them agencies that we we, ask them to. We don't know that when we turn in those, cover letters to the IRS, which I did. I did to my attorney general at the state.
I did to the when I turned in my citizenship affidavit at the Department of State in Washington DC, I put down their cc to all agencies pertaining to this agency, United States Department of I don't know if they see to all the lower agents or to the lower agents of the IRS or to the lower agents of the revenue code or to the lower agents of mine, state police, sheriff, whatever. Unless I'm going for your request that.
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DC is incumbent on you.
[02:56:27] Unknown:
Exactly. But when I put it on there and ask them to cc it to all their to the emergency officer, to the hospitals, to the coroner, cc'd I don't know if they did it for me. So now I had to take it upon myself to make sure that I go to my local sheriff, which I'm fixing to do. I'm gonna make another cover letter to my local sheriff. I'm gonna CC him. I'm gonna go over there and Okay. Foyer request his oath and affirmation, and I'm gonna make another cover letter and take it to my mayor and have him because even though I asked the attorney general, and then I'm gonna make another one and take it to my district attorney and give it to him to make sure they get this that I am a US national. And then also, I'm gonna make copies of 8FAM505.2Dash10, which is a passport endorsement.
I'm gonna make a copy of that. I'm gonna make a copy of my passport card, put all that in that file when I hand it over to them. And then I'm gonna write a affidavit stating that I did this for each one of these local yayhus that think they have authority over me. And then I'm gonna do it to the state where I was born. Alright. When I got my passport card, I live in Carlsbad, New Mexico, and I've been living in Carlsbad, New Mexico for the past forty something years, forty plus years. But when I got my passport card, it doesn't have anything about me living in Carlsbad, New Mexico. It has and that's all I use now. And I'm gonna turn get rid of my driver's license. I'm gonna get rid of my, Social Security card.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna get rid what do they call that? Revocate revocate, not replicate. But, anyway, I'm gonna turn all this stuff in. Revocation and revelation? Yes. I'm gonna which I've already turned that in. But what I should've done is to make sure there's a different document. I can't remember what it was. But, anyway, when I copy all this stuff, 8FAM505.2, 10 is my passport endorsement, that O9 that Roger's always talking about, is on my passport card O9 designation. And that and that form, that 8FAM505.2Dash10 states, the O nine endorsement states that I am a US national and not a citizen of The United States on their own policy paper. I'm gonna copy that off of their website, put it in with all my paperwork, and then hand it into the sheriff, to the city police officer, to the mayor to make sure that it gets cc'd because I can't trust my state attorney general to CC any of that stuff to the lower agents.
I cannot trust even the United States attorney general because I called him already, and he said, oh, we don't we don't handle that. You have to get with your local state. What do you mean you don't handle that? They're a but anyway alright? They don't handle those type of cases because now I have to go to my state attorney general, which is a crooked piece of Mexican anyway. Yeah. I'm just saying. But if I don't do that upon take it upon myself to make sure that these documents are turned in, nobody's gonna know that I am a US national under the certificate of noncitizen nationality document.
Are you?
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Make many copies of that passport card. Do Make many Make many, many copies. I've already lost my original. It's in the building somewhere. Of the six copies I've made, I still don't know where three of them are. I'm done.
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Blessings,
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Make copies of the affidavit too.
[03:01:16] Unknown:
Thank you, Sketch.
[03:01:28] Unknown:
Can somebody please, post the case, that, Mirka posted in the chat room? I wasn't in chat at the time. If somebody could post that again for me, I'd greatly appreciate it. I yield.
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Julie, are are you talking about the case that Mark put in, about traveling?
[03:02:12] Unknown:
I can't remember if it was Mark or Mark that had something to do with, traveling or driving, I think. It was Mark.
[03:02:19] Unknown:
Yeah. It was Mark that said, it was a challenge. All you rights to travel folks, please provide a case that overcomes Hendrick versus Maryland.
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And I'll I'll and I'll be glad.
[03:02:32] Unknown:
And I can put a scholar link in the chat if you need it. Yeah, please. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
[03:02:38] Unknown:
If you look in numeral two radioranch.tatango.com, I believe Mark put it in there also.
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Oh, thanks. Thanks, Mara.
[03:02:48] Unknown:
Murrah, I used them once those two. Clean, succinct, exact. Don't feel exclusive.
[03:02:57] Unknown:
Have a good Sabbath, hon. Oh, I'm glad you did. I never hear anybody else say, Roger always says they only need one sentence, but then they add all this embellishment to it. You don't need any embellishment. Just use their words. I did change it to affirm being affirmed by god rather than duly sworn because that just makes more sense.
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I preach that too, and you know what? It just doesn't work, does it? I'm done.
[03:03:33] Unknown:
Oh, by the way, each of us are exclusive. We're unique. I yield.
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Thank you.
[03:04:50] Unknown:
I'd like to make a cap. Go ahead. Thanks.
[03:04:55] Unknown:
Yeah. That was Boris that was saying that he's gonna get rid of all of his driver's license, Social Security card, all that stuff. Is that correct? Alright. I get I yield. I'm out of here.
[03:05:23] Unknown:
I was gonna say we are all individual jewels, and we reflect on each other.
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I have posed a question to you.
[03:10:07] Unknown:
Most of the who?
[03:10:13] Unknown:
Herb.
[03:12:16] Unknown:
Hey, Sheldon. What was your one sentence? I'm busy doing a couple other things here.
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Oh, yes. As would we, Alvin. Thank you very much for introducing us again for the God knows how month how many time, Saturday here at the Radio Ranch. Glad to have you with us. Roger Sales, your host on the August. We're approaching the end of, I guess, for many people, the end of the summer. So is, is Labor Day this coming weekend, or is it the following weekend? I think it's this coming weekend. Right?
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That's what I know.
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Yeah. Oh, man. Okay. Well, just speculating here. Anyway, we probably don't have many folks helping us out today, but it sure was good to see Andy show up yesterday. I'm glad he's getting through that little ordeal he's dealing with. So if there is anyone there that's helping us, Paul, would you please give him the proper, recognition and accolades?
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Paul? Come on. Oh, there you are. Okay. Oh, okay. Now I'm there. Alright. There.
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Yikes. Well, it's Saturday. Okay.
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Yeah. Yeah. It's I've I've only Of course. I've only got one way communications, so I can't monitor you on my computer. I'm monitoring you from the server, but I'm talking to you from my computer. I can talk to you, but you can't talk to me, and I'll be working that out during the show. So Okay. Anyways, we're on, eurofolkradio.com and Global Voice Radio Network. I am looking and Alan is not with us today, which No. Is not unreasonable. I really didn't expect him to be. And, our website is thematrixdocs.com. It is the matrixd0cs.com, where you can join us using free conference call, either by telephone, smartphone, tablet, landline, or computer.
So all the links are right there.
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That's all I've got, Raj. Alright. Well, why don't you go scurry off and see if you can get your technical stuff in in order? And sorry you're having those kind of situations, your technical trousers as Paul English likes to say. So anyway, in March with us, because I heard Mark already this morning. We had a little brief conversation. Morning, Mark. And Straw. Straw's over there in the corner. See if we can get him twitching during the next two hours somehow. Yeah. So, gosh, where do you start? Well, it's the old sidewall. It's a well, to me, we're about a week away from college football, and that is fantastic. So, something I look forward to every year. So, anyway, that's good news. And here at the August, we're still having although today looks pretty nice so far, we're still having our funky weather down here in Ecuador.
And, everything else is going along. Mark, how are you doing with your situation? You doing alright?
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Busy than a long tailed cat in a room of rocking chairs. Yeah, man. So I had to Keeping you busy. Breakfast gig this morning and and, and jump on here.
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Okay. Well, March got his hands full these days. A lot of people have their hands full these days. I can't become the head cook and and bottle washer. So Right. And and everything else that goes along with Yeah. Or there's is Paul messing with something? Or so it, I don't know of anything particularly on my mind this morning, that I was ripping and raring to talk about. The Saturday edition here is for, generally, for folks that work during the week and can't be with us and have questions or just wanna sit in on a a session of the Radio Ranch here and stuff. So I don't know if there's any of you folks.
It is kind of here for you. So if there's any of you that fit that criteria, please feel free to step forward. Is that someone right there? Step forward. Is that someone right there? Oh, no. It's some kind of I was just gonna tell you, Roger, the first college game is today at noon in England. Oh, good. What, what what game who's playing who and what time? It's at
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noon at noon. It's Kansas State and Iowa State. Just one game.
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Okay. Well, I guess there and then we got one Thursday night, I think, and then one Friday night, and then the rest of the bigger games are next weekend. So well, it's nice to see college football roll around again. It's the one area of our society that they really haven't been able to screw up yet with woke crap. They haven't been able to overcome the traditions. They haven't dissed anything. Although they're working on the pro game, now, starting this year, we've got every team has one faggot guy cheerleader. I don't know if y'all have heard that yet or not, but there's gonna be LBGT.
Some you know, the the well, I'll just those people are you know, they're intruding on the pro game, but they haven't done that to the college game yet. Of course,
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yet. I'm sure they will. Well, Roger, you know, I we did talk the other night about a potential question that I wanna bring forward, you know, once you Yes. We did. Past the introduction and so forth. So I just wanted to remind you Okay. Don't worry. I remember that.
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Okay. What else was I gonna talk? Something else was on my mind. About Cracker Barrel? I I don't know. What about Cracker Barrel? I haven't heard anything about the whole lot. I love Cracker Barrel.
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Well, you might like them a little less now. Are they They got one of these woke CEOs. They got a woke CEO, and they're redoing their their signature sign of the white guy, you know, in a chair with his elbow up against the barrel. Yeah. Well, they're removing all of that. And so it's just now cracker barrel, just the wording, And they've lost, I forgot how much in value like since this come out about a week ago. And, you know, they it was, I I think it was, like, a half a billion dollars in value they lost within, like, a week.
You know? CEO is kinda same thing with Bud Light. You know? They're gonna they're gonna put a a transgender on the cover of their their beer can. Right. And, so now Cracker Barrel's imploding and destroying themselves. So even though I mean, there were even even people who said, I don't go there, but I like their their old fashioned logo. You know? They knew it was all about kind of an old fashioned experience and the big rocking chairs on the outside and so forth. But they're really up in arms over this this changing the symbol. Well, I'm I'm iconic symbol of Cracker Barrel. Yeah. The the you know,
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when I was in the record business, and that's a long time ago, It's back in the nineteen seventies. And Cracker Barrel was just getting started. I don't know where the original one was, but, as they grew, they were all in the Southeast there. And, there was one, that was between Chattanooga and Knoxville about halfway, I think. And I would literally take trips to Knoxville so I could eat at Cracker Barrel on the way up and the way back. They used to have the the Yeah. Steak and eggs you ever put in your mouth, man. And so anyway, I'm sad to see that they're a they were a wonderful restaurant and oh, well, maybe the food hadn't been, adulterated anyhow, but they're this woke stuff's encroaching on every, on a lot of these types of situations, of course. Now the big thing that's out there right now is private equity. K?
I don't know if you've seen that gal. She's a little bubbly little thing. She's been on Harrison a couple of times, and then, they replayed her yesterday, I think, in the third hour, maybe not. Anyway, she's been on a couple of the hosts. Are you familiar with her, Mark, or private equity, or what's going on here?
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No. Is she the one that's exposing it? Yeah. She little glasses.
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Yeah. The the got it. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen her. Has she been on, like, Harrison show? Yes. Several several times. She was on again this week, actually.
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And She's really good. She's very good. And they had her on they had her on a prime time channel? What we A major network?
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I don't think I don't think she's been there. But she's been I've seen her on Alex and Harrison a couple of times, but this is real serious. Oh. Okay. And if you Yes. It is. If you don't know what's going on there, here's, the the private equity is basically strip mining wealth that's built up through business and generations. And they go especially franchise operations, evidently is very susceptible to them. And, they've put a couple of, well, Hooters Hooters, and the only Hooters that survived were the ones that were franchisees that owned the franchise, that that owned their own and weren't a franchisee, I guess.
So, and those, Hooters are still open. They've done it with a couple of other pretty major name, stores, and I can't remember all of them. Of course, I'm just hearing about it. But they go in and they, well, they're basically strip mining all the wealth out of these, out of these franchise and these corporations, and then they implode them. Even though the company may not be healthy because they're low what they're doing is loading them up with debt. They take them over, and then they load them up with debt, and then they try and get rid of it, I guess, before they have to pay that off. It's somewhat complex.
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Go ahead, Mark. And by me I don't think it's complex at all. Here's why. They're loading them up with debt, and they're taking out their profits. So, you know, on paper, they're making the company seem valuable again. They pull out their you know, they sell off their stock, and either somebody else buys them or they crash. And they they close the company. I think they did that with, I'm trying to think of the recent
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company they did that with. There was a fabric store and a couple of other big corporations. Of course, I hadn't been in the state. So What was the name of that? Joanne. Joanne. So yes. So that's how they're doing it. And the other thing, if you try and sue them, I say the complexity of it. If you try and sue them, they've got it rigged up now through arbitration where you can't take them to court. You agree to take them to arbitration. They control both the major arbitration companies, and the arbitration companies that are handling these cases, Mark, don't have to follow the law. That's part of it. Yeah. K? Guess what? So, it it's a it's a it's a big f f up. Okay?
What I was trying to get to without going into all that, there's a point I was trying to make here. Recently, they've been really pushing Trump to open up because they've run out of people to sell to. They're having to create secondary markets where they can sell to each other and stuff and keep the whole scam going. Okay? And so, they were running out of places to tap. And recently, in one of these executive orders, Trump gave him access to your pension funds. Yes. $15,000,000,000,000 worth of pension funds.
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Yes. No. Guess what?
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I, got your pension fund? Well, no.
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I was having problems with one of my computers due to that Microsoft update. And Yes. In the course of trying to repair it, I've tried to reinstall Windows on it. The very, very first screen that comes up where you have to accept the terms of service, the very first paragraph says, please make a note of the section one nineteen paragraph this, sentence such and such, binding you to binding arbitration and waiving your right to class action participation.
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There you go. Right there. Right there.
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On the headline paragraph, it sends you to that specific spot saying, you click this, you've got no remedy.
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Right. And they control the arbitrage. This is one thing this girl's trying to get them to do. She said if they just get the arbitrating companies, they they control both the two biggest ones. If they just get them to follow the law, it it almost rectified the whole problem. Okay. Anyway, that's what's going on. The point of me telling you all that is if you wanna watch some more of it, you can see some more details. If you're not aware of this on the third hour of, Harrison yesterday, I believe. But if you've got pension funds, they in the bill, what they did with this executive order, and I guess the legislature excuse me. My stomach's acting up. Legislation will follow.
Is they opened up on one side that you can take your pensions and invest them in cyber coins. And on the other side, they opened up all the pension funds to private equity, which is probably mostly generated and run by BlackRock or that little triangle of bandits. Anyway, it just goes to give you some insight into these people. They just can't stand to have any cash that they can't steal. They gotta have everything. K? And it's just it's so ridiculous. So the point being, if, for our folks, if any of you still do have pension funds, four zero one or whatever all those damn things are, I never put a penny into any of them because I knew they'd steal them eventually.
But the one move you could make right now is to get a hold of whoever you trust out there. There's several sources and get that, those fund amounts allocated over into metals. That would be the first of, Demir. Demir stepping on sidestepping there. So suggestion, anybody, you got pension funds? Do something to get the funds out of there. Of course, with our program, you could go ahead and pull the cash out if you don't have a cooperative. Of course, John Kasarab is the one who's a little more expertise in this than myself. But if, the most of them will want to, because they got a gun at their head, keep 30% of what you take out. I think that's usually the standard number, isn't it? 30%? And then next year and if you don't if you fight with them or they won't, adhere to your affidavit or your position, then next year, you just do what? A ten forty and r to get that back?
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Yeah. That's correct. And and the other thing too is I've we've had some people pulling money out of, like, $4.00 1 k's and just so they're not at risk. And they were able to inquire before they withdrew money about how they could do it where they would be the one responsible for paying the taxes. And I think there was, like, an additional form that they had to to file Oh, that'd be cool. With with the yeah. So That's a
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good run around for one front end.
[00:18:06] Unknown:
Yeah. Do it on the front end. Just say, hey, you know, I wanna pay the tax on this personally. You you know, do you have a form so I can pull this out? No. That's good. You know, without me paying tax on it upfront. Yeah. Yeah. So we've had some people successfully do that. I think a lot of it has to do with, you know, what company you're with. I don't mean the company you work for, but where your investment is being held, your four zero one k, whoever's holding that, IRA, all that stuff. Now with the IRA, they usually have you borrow the money and pay it back, but you can do a hard withdrawal of your funds and and pay the penalties for it. So, you know, your mileage may vary, but you can do a little research ahead of time and see what's best for you.
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Yeah. So, but you can see these things happening. They're attaching, letting the private equity, grubbers go in after all of the stored money that you've worked and saved for. And, and also do that, though. Pardon me? How can they legally get away with that? Well, it's fraud. But they've got all of the stops. You know? No or I can't go to court. You have to do arbitration. Arbitrators don't follow the law. Don't have to. All this, they just got you boxed in. It ought to be all fraud. Okay? But you can't go and sue them because they the way they got it set up. It's all these slick bastards, and you know who they are. I don't have to tell you who they are. And this is all they just like little weasels, little rats, as they've been characterized throughout history, especially at that last fifteen hundred years in Europe. That's what they're referred to as rats.
And and and they just like they go around and they just seek out anything they can steal or pull one of these financial scams where they can take the money out and give you worthless paper. Goes back to the, the speech, that if you ever do a search on congressman Louis d McFadden and his speeches, who we talk about around here, most people don't even know who the guy was. Okay? One of the greatest statesmen we've ever had up there. And, the speech you'll probably come up with if you do a search on him is the one where it says, the Jews have all the gold and the Gentiles have all the paper. Well, there it is right there. Okay? And they take they take this worthless paper they generate. I just heard about another one a minute ago. They're replaying Owen because he's out this week. And one of his shows on, on the the the International Monetary Fund during COVID, Mark, the International Monetary Fund put out 400 I don't know how much of bond issues on whether they'd be another epidemic or not.
And hundreds of millions of dollars and because there wasn't another epidemic that followed it out, the people that bought those bonds and they had to have several different subscriptions because so many people wanted them at 12% interest rate that the value of those bonds have gone from you had a 60 percent profit, now you got 10%. It's all these scams that these people run, and they know how to do it because they've been manipulating in in over these markets for so long. I'll give you an example. I heard a comment a while back. Very interesting. The Bitcoin market, when Bitcoin was invented, it's the first new market since the debt market in September.
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Wow.
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And That's that's amazing. One hundred years is the first new market out there. That's interesting, isn't it?
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Really is. It just it blows me away that, you know, I heard somebody say I was watching a video the other day, and they talked about debt, you know, being in debt. And and oh, I remember what it was. They were talking about how the the government, how it influences the economy. And then it said, all these businesses that if they can't borrow money, then they're going under. If you can't it was all about borrowing money. It's like, you know, the the they didn't want the government interfering with our ability to borrow money because that would tank the economy.
I'm like, do you even hear what you're saying? That's ridiculous. We're running off of a debt based economy. Debt based. And these bankers high up, international bankers have have implemented this game where they get all the funds, they convert it to, you know, real world assets. Right? They use paper currency, fiat, and and they they get everybody I mean, they're literally making gazillions of dollars off the sweat of our brow. Yep. Right? Yep. And and they and they inflate it. They you lose your value of the dollar. And meanwhile, Bob, they're raking it in because they got, you know, millions of people that are borrowing money, companies, and individuals.
They're making interest on top of interest, and then they take that that paper fiat currency while it's got some value, and they buy tangible assets Yep. Like gold and silver and farmland and Paintings. And, you know, stuff like that.
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Do what? Rare paintings.
[00:23:39] Unknown:
Yeah. That's kind of an inside game too. But, yeah. You know, so they're buying these tangible assets. They're gonna continue to increase in their value, and they get rid of that paper money and and put it back into circulation where they loan it back out. So it's it's when they say rat race, they're not joking. You're in that little wheel
[00:24:02] Unknown:
running your legs off trying to pay off debt. Right. And, you know, Mark, even if you win the rat race, you're still a rat.
[00:24:13] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. So that's what I love about what, your message, Roger. At least at least when it comes to our our political status, you know, you can get free from that, And and you can do it on your own. And and you can get out of debt and and limit any borrowing, and you can pay it off early Yep. And and take away their ability to make as you know, all the money that they make. You know, try to pay it off as quickly as you can. Yeah. And invest in some tangible assets. Yes. You know? Oh. It's just it it's not hard, but you gotta be disciplined about it. Yes. You know, you gotta have a plan. You gotta be disciplined about it. Well, that's why when you get the information in your mind and you understand these things, you can take movements and take
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and and roll the dice. You know? I I would say, that there's only two ways to control people either through debt or through force. Well, obviously, they've got a a a one whole thing on the debt with most people who are in debt here. And then they have this quasi tyrannical government that's based on all the stuff we study here that we know is a fraud to enforce that. Right. The one thing that really continues to be provocative, Oh, my stomach is you know, in the morning, I don't eat breakfast or anything. I just drink coffee and whatnot. My stomach starts hiccuping on me. So bear with me. It happens occasionally. One of the most provocative things to me about what we do, and I continue to think about it, is, because of this is fraud, everything they've acquired is all acquired fraudulently.
All this we own everything, and we own all these companies and all that, and we owe them all these trillions of dollars, that's all fraud. Yeah. All of it's all of it should be able to be taken away from them under the fraud that vitiates any contract ab initio. And so we've been on this fraud scale and maybe part of the reason you know, they're kind of freaked out about us, Mark. They don't know what to do about this. And you can see by the lack of action on the Fed or the IRS or any of these other people, they just flat don't know what to do with this because they can't do anything without showing who they are.
And, and then risk a lot of people getting informed about this and maybe the potential repercussions of that. They do lose everything they've acquired because they've been running on a fraudulent system for ninety three and a half years. All this great money and stuff and all these big bond piles, it's all fraud. Okay? So and and it's a part of this whole thing. Oh, I you know, the the thing about he this is you don't just sit down and get introduced to this and grasp it all. You gotta sit with this for a while and get all the different perspectives and parameters before you may even possibly approach the understanding that this is the tip of their entire power to apparate right here.
We've stolen their power. We've gotten our power back that they stole from us. Esau Edom's stealing his birthright back. And to get the whole picture on this, it just it takes a little time. I don't care how smart or how studied you are. And to sit with this for all these years, like I've been doing, to finally come to the realization that, hey. This is the this is everything right here we're dealing with. Everything that they got going comes from this right here, this little scam. And when they're when they're, presented with it, they can't do anything about it, but sit there silent.
Folks, that is powerful. I you you may be new around here, and you haven't gotten into putting all these peep things in place. And I totally understand that it takes a while. K? It's just not something you don't see the whole big picture immediately. You you gotta go in and see everything's opposites. Now you gotta go back and reverse your whole worldview to this new opposite thing. And you get this just takes time, you know? And that's the advantage I've got here as a teacher is I don't you don't have to wait thirty years to get the punch line here. I'm telling you what it is and cutting all of that time and and thinking and and and and seeing how things fit and connecting dots. I'm taking all that away from you.
So these are the important things. And the big important thing here is this is the crux of the fraudulent financial system. It's exactly what it is. Roger. Yeah. Just a second, Larry. Just a second. Just why he be just hold on. And and and So this is Mark. Yeah. Go ahead. I you say I'm on to something, and you guys insist on interrupting, and I lose it.
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K? I apologize. I thought you were done with your Oh, what?
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Okay. Go ahead. My Larry Larry, I think Waheed was wanting to say something in March there. Mark, you and I are in this conversation. So you go first.
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Well, what really opened my eyes, Roger, and this book is still available.
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It's called Billions for Bankers. Oh, yeah. And that's Sheldon Emory. It's for the people. Isn't that Sheldon Emory? Yeah. And it's
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yes. Yes. And he he was a a pastor in Kansas. And he wrote this amazing simple book Yep. With really, you know, basic, cartoon type of graphics
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or or,
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artwork in it. And when I read that, I think it was 1999. Yeah. I said, oh, hell no. I'm not playing this game no more. And that was,
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that was the last time I took a loan. And the front the front number getting more loans out. Is, is the capital with the big octopus coming up behind it with his tentacles coming around and grabbing everything. Isn't that right? Uh-uh. I think I have it right
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here. It's, no. It looks kinda like it's it's a a banker leaned back with money flowing all over the place, flying in the air, and it has, like, a stock market chart. And the banker's side is in the black, and it goes up, up, up every year. And then in the bottom half, it's got people working. Got a farmer, got a carpenter, looks like some kind of businessman at a desk, and I can't make up. Oh, here's a a lady pouring coffee, a waitress, truck driver. And and they have an equal bar, but it's red. So it starts out in $19.30 on the graphic.
It's a small red line and above it is the bankers money in small black. And every year it gets it gets taller and taller and then more in debt and it goes up to their point like it 2,000.
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Very accurate. He really understood. He got the overall picture. He just doesn't have the specific. Sheldon Emery, if you don't know who he was, was the guy that just about trained all of our identity preachers, pastor Peters, Ted Wylan, James Bruckerman, his there's a guy up in Northern Idaho. I can't his name escapes me at the moment. He's married to Sheldon Emery's daughter. Dave Barley, I think is his name. So all of these identity pastors were trained off of Sheldon Emery. Amazing insight that guy had. Okay. Larry, you were trying to say book is only like
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that book, by the way, it's not it's not huge. No. You can sit down and read this fairly quickly. I think I read it just in, a day. Yeah. The bulk of it because they do have some references in the back. It's about 57 pages. And you can find it for free online. And he he gave away his copyright. So all he asked is that you, if you use his his book, that you print it in its entirety. Yeah. That's all he asked. There you go. Good. Another great rep. Bankers, debts for people. Mhmm. Please read it. If you don't understand the banking system, it's a great place to start. It's a very good,
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there's another one of those reference books from decades ago. Larry, what you got?
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Yeah. I got on,
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eight minutes after the show started, and you're talking about how they want to steal the pension funds. And I take it that they is referring to the banksters. Now do you have that right as far as the pension funds? Because you have the you have, pension funds and you have four zero one k's. Do you mean that they wanna steal the four zero one k's
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or the pension funds for both? I think they've got access to all of them from what, that gal was saying yesterday. You can go check it out and hear what she's got to say. She was in the third hour of Harrison she'd been on before. Very sharp young woman that really has brought all this to the forefront. And, she, she understands it very well. Okay? And it is somewhat confusing when you get into the mechanics of how these private equity guys work and the way it's structured, and they have to always sell it to somebody else. And what's gonna happen according to her, because now they've gotten to a point without dipping into your pensions where they can't find any other buyers. They've had to create a, a false secondary market for themselves just to keep things afloat.
And you can hear her explain that. I don't know if I could, but regardless they've run out of people to sell to. And so they go through and you complete a contract and then you got to sell it to somebody else. And what she was saying was that they'll tell you on your pension funds that you've got this wonderful new thing coming and you'll see your pension amount go up considerably. And it'll go up three times until the third time, and there's nobody to sell it to, and then it crashes. So just beware. If you got any funds and a pension fund of any sort, it would be very prudent of you to stay on top of this and understand it and make an intelligent decision, which seems to be either taking all the cash out and investing it. Or if you can't or don't wanna do that, you can find these places that can convert your amounts over into gold and silver. And I believe you'd be protected that way also.
So, I'm just trying to give a warning, Larry. K? It's coming. They're they're they're they're getting ready to crash everything, but they haven't stolen everything yet. And this is probably one of the last vestiges where they can go in and steal stuff. Okay? Now when you were over there, was that Waheed that was trying to say something earlier when you were, Larry? Waheed, are you out there wanting to say something that sounded like you? Who was the other fellow when Larry was trying to say something a minute ago that was trying to also I think that was me, Roger. Oh, was you? I think that was me. Anyway, that's out there. It's a potentially huge problem.
I never set up one of those stupid pension funds because I knew even back in the nineties that some bitches had steal it all. So, anyway, I just took I had a a couple of years there where I had just really wonderful cash flow. I had no expenses, no overhead, and nothing but profits coming off of that silver lawn activity I was doing. And knowing that I started studying economics when I first got into this because I always liked economics in school, started going reading that first and realized kinda what was happening and understood the fact that it's Fiat and it's all loaned into circulation and, all the other things that are around that, that it's all kind of this facade.
And, so I put it all into gold. It just so happened to for me that that was you know about Brown's bottom, Mark? Have you ever heard anybody talk about Brown's bottom?
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Yeah. I've heard you talk about it. It's the first time I ever heard of it. Well, for the things that all the details to it, but I know it was like a a a very low price. I don't remember what caused gold to be so low. Well, they're trying to but they,
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gold, of course, is antithetical to their funny money system. Right. So they try and keep gold down because it's a price wise. It's the canary in the coal mine. Plus, they've got this basil three thing that just went into effect in July, by the way, where a a a gold was shifted from do you know about that? Have you heard us us talk about that? Oh, it's a tier tier one asset. Right? Tier one asset. So the banks have been keeping prices low so they could acquire as much as they could because they knew that they're coming. Yeah. And so, Brown's bottom was right there around 2,001 in that area. I don't remember the exact time frame, but gold was below $300 an ounce.
It went down to, I think, at one point, $251 an ounce, about the lowest it got. And at that point, there was a gentleman named Gordon Brown, who was the head of the exchequer in, that's the treasury in Britain, England. And he, he sold half of England's gold in an auction, and he sold it to the lowest bidder. I'm gonna repeat that. He sold half of it. That? It's a it's a rigged auction. He sold half of England's gold to the lowest bidder. I don't think we have to quibble about who bought it. It's probably the Rothschilds. But they call that Brown's bottom because that $251 there, an ounce of gold was the lowest gold has been relative to the currency it's purchased in in five thousand years.
Wow. K. Wow. So, you know, Robbie Noel used to say, well, you're never gonna buy at the bottom. You're never gonna sell at the top. And that's probably true. But I I came pretty close to the bottom. I I I wouldn't buy it when it was down that low. And, but I got all the gold I've got today, I bought at $300 and less. I bought my first slug with a little bit of money that the IRS didn't steal from my house closing. I had about $10 left over there in a little pile. And the day that Bill Clinton was, impeached, the very day that he was impeached back in the nineties there, I I bought $10,000 worth of gold at $300, and it was 300 on the nose.
$3.00 0. Okay. So, that was a big slug there. And then the other stuff I bought subsequently was lower than that. I mean, I don't think I ever got down to 2 fifties, but in the February and seventies, I was buying some then. So anyway, that's why I one reason I'm I'm not scrambling for money is because I knew this information, and I made that decision and hit that sweet spot. It's like getting a driver three or 400 yards. Right? I got that sweet spot right at that period of time. And, fortunately for for me, I've sat on most of it. I've had a couple of accidents, you know, down here that I've had to sell off part of it for, but I still got some of it. And, it's just a wonderful feeling knowing that whatever happens, that's there.
K? So, and it's still even at 3,300 about what it is now today. It's still cheap to where it's going. It's gonna it's gonna just gonna go huge. And and nobody really knows because we don't know how much of this Fiat papers floating around out there that you've got. If you're gonna do a ratio, you take whatever gold that we've got in in in cumulatively and divided into how much paper value is flitting around out there and floating around. That should give you some sort of an accurate price as to what the value of an ounce is. Well, when, you know, you're one of your Texas boys there, Mark, south of you, Mark, Holter, Bill Holter.
Oh, yeah. He used to be with Jim Sinclair, foursome Jim Sinclair died, And they were talking. Do you know Jim Sinclair's background, Mark?
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I no. Not exactly. I know they called him mister Silver, wasn't it? Or Well, no. That no. That he he was the guy.
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He was kinda in that crowd. He was, very successful in that system. And when Reagan took over from Carter and we had he had to raise all the interest rates, That was the period of time that the Hunt brothers had been trying to form their own Federal Reserve by cornering the silver market. If you remember, it drove silver up to $50 an ounce. So when Reagan I remember that. Okay. When Reagan took over and he was trying to quell the inflation that Jimmy Carter had stoked started and stoked, he hired Paul Volcker as the head of the Federal Reserve. And he eventually took interest rates up to 21%, and that quelled that inflation.
But what he what Paul Volcker did was hire Jim Sinclair to come in and unwind the Hunt Brothers silver position. So Jim Sinclair, I think it's safe to say, just from that example, that Jim Sinclair knows where the skeletons are buried.
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Okay? Yep.
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And so when he and Holter were doing shows together, they had a paywall, but the public shows and they were having a discussion one night on this very subject right here of what is the real price of gold. And Jim Halter said it could be as high as a $185,000 an ounce. That came from Sinclair.
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Well, that's that's that's based on them trying to cover all the debt with gold. And it would cost Yes. To go up. I mean, like, all the paper money. But I don't see anything that would require them to do that.
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Well, not just force them to to to make it that way. Well, they're trying everything desperately to try not, but he's just speculating on what his thoughts were, the true price of gold should be. And, you know, I don't know if you know if you've never, are you familiar with Major Jordan's diaries, Mark?
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No. I'm not. I've never heard of it. Well,
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I would go on YouTube, YouTube, if I were you and put in Major Jordan's diaries and listen to this guy and his talk on what he experienced as a government employee. Oh, back after the after World War two, and he's evidently talking to a huge there's a lot of applause and and and stuff you can gauge a reaction from. It may have been in Los Angeles, but, he caught he caught them shipping an entire offset printing press with the plates to to Russia back in the forties. Oh, wow. And he was because he was the man that had to know what these things were being sent. And he went in, and it was covered up and chained up or something, and they wouldn't open it. And he pulled out his 45 and said, you're gonna open it. He tells the whole story. Major Jordan's diaries.
I would highly suggest all of you to go back. And if you're not familiar with that, go back and search it up. Major Jordan's Diaries worth listening to. So they've got we know they've got that printing press in Russia. And then when the Iran students thing happened in the late seventies, They found an entire offset printing press with plates for $100 bills in the basement of the embassy. Did you know that? No. So we've had two offset printing presses out there with plates that have been printing up $100 bills. Nobody knows if they're real or not, how many of them they are, how many of them they've printed, what's in circulation. Nobody knows any of that.
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Wow.
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Major Jordan's Diaries. Go if you've if you've never heard of it.
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Yep. Yeah. Just go to YouTube and type it in. His his first name was Racy, r a c e y. Oh, Racy Jordan. Racy Jordan.
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That's that is really well worth listening to if you're looking for historical stuff to plug into your Alright. Cool. Growing image of what this beast is. Yes, sir?
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Hi. It's Rich in Huntsville. You were talking about, Whitney Webb is her name and her Yeah. She's good. I think they her site is, it's called only the savvy. So if if you type, only the savvy into the search, you'll pull up her, all of her different videos and stuff. Even Victor Davis Hanson's, also in different, people are listed in her, on her site.
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Great. Pretty cool. Only the savvy.com or .org or what?
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No. Nope. It's, Roger, if you're in if you're on YouTube, you go to, do a search and just type in, only the savvy.
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Okay. Well, she's very good. She's down American Reporter. She's down in Chile and, does excellent research and excellent reporting. She was one of the first people that wrote a two couple big articles on what's going on in Southern Argentina down there in Patagonia. So, yeah, very sharp check. Okay. Thank you, Rich. Anything else? So I and I love Victor David Hanson. I just wish we could get to some of these people who are witness to that,
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general major Jordan's diaries. I can give testimony that Roger is putting
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Good. Would Paul, did you cut Ferris off there? Hello? Do we have people on the air here?
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Yeah. We're on. Okay. Not like, Ferris got cut off. I he he knows he's not welcome here. So Well, I he's He keeps he keeps trying. Well, you know, it's interesting. Don't let him distract from our show, please. Well, you know need to talk about Ferris. Well, you know, Mark, I've had to reconsider
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Ferris a little bit in light of what I've been going through down here, you know, because there's a parallel there. So but major Jordan's diaries, if you have not listened to that, is something you you don't have a complete picture of what we're dealing with until you listen to that, I'd say.
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Yeah. It's I believe you.
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Yeah. Just listen to it. It's a wonderful story in in front of a live audience. And, boy, does it tell the story.
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Yep. Yep.
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Okay. Coffee's gone. Alright.
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Are we,
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are are we gonna see if there's any new students who have, a We need to. We need to. Todd, any of your bunch? You got any new folks here? Are you here today? Is Julie here today? I wanted to address her. Julie, are you with us today? K. I guess not. Well, we're already I am. I'm here. Oh, there you are. Hey, Julie Julie. You sent me an email this morning about miss Vandersteel. Right?
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No. I well, I don't know. Maybe I did. I can't remember. Did. Yes. You did. On taxation. Yeah. I did. Well, I didn't look yesterday.
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Okay. Well, I didn't have a chance to look at it yet, but, I I know Anne. Bless her heart. And and I don't know what's going on there. K? I think Anne is one of these folks I gave the overview to, and it either it takes a while to soak in or you just can't get this all at one setting. Julie's a pretty good example. It took you months. Okay? And, but she somebody did send me a little Twitter or something on her on taxation. Is that what you sent me talking about? The guy that was getting all they were filing the returns for him and all that stuff. Was that the same one?
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You know what? I can't remember because I looked at so much stuff.
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Roger, I'm gonna have to go back to my email and look exactly what I sent you from there. Somebody had somebody had sent me that. On Telegram yesterday. Uh-huh. Well, somebody had sent me that previously. It may be the same thing. It may not be. K? But Anne had just gotten out of a she's doing this little video, and she just gotten out of a it was early in the morning, seven or 08:00 or something. She'd already been at a Pilates thing. And she's in the car, and she's talking about taxation. And she mentions a guy in there named Michael Ellis. And I don't know. Jewel, I don't know if the same one or not, Julie. But, anyway, this will be good and illustrative.
Michael Ellis. But, Mark, have you ever heard of Michael Ellis? No. No. I'm not familiar with him. Well, when I was doing shows with Al, I'd ask. He knew Michael Ellis. Michael Ellis is a guy who has spent years going into IRS manuals and doing for master files and all that stuff. And, he knew all of that manual stuff inside and out. K? Right. And so I his name came up in the in the show with Al. And I said, well, you know, Glenn and them, my teachers had the whole system that they researched and totally understood. And they knew the system, and Michael Ellis did not.
And so through our desk, we put Michael Ellis and Glenn Ambor together, and they're the ones that found that failure to file doctor. They had two counts of failure to file. He's from San Diego. And, they and they got together, so they had the whole scheme. Now Glenn had how they handle the scheme internally. And Michael who had had the how they handled things internally, but he didn't have the overall scheme. Well, now they got both of them. So they take, they find a law firm who will allow Glenn to write all the process, and then they would file and represent the doctor with it.
And so that's what happened. And, they, the doctor was found guilty, and and then they con confirmed that at the ninth circuit. And that's when Glenn walked away from all this. Yeah. Because he had them dead to rights here. K? And he came back. He said, Roger, not only can the jury not understand that the judge is so complex, the judge can't understand it. And so he threw up his hands and walked away. We, you know, effectively walked away from the whole thing since. That was a few years back. But she mentions Michael Ellis in this little video. And, she's going, there's some guy and they were filing for him. He hadn't filed, and they were filing returns for him for seven years or whatever it was.
And she acted like, how could they do that? Well, you know, it shows that Anne doesn't know too much about the Internal Revenue Service and their code and how it operates. Because that's substitute for return, and that's very common. I had nothing new Yep. And and it's been around for a long time. So that shows me that Anne just doesn't understand. There's no no slide on her. Hey. You gotta you it it is just really a tedious chore digging into this tax system, folks. And if you've never done it, you don't know what I'm talking about. K? But, boy, it is just, well, I think the Woodrow Wilson thing where he says the tax the tax system they were trying to impart on the Chinese was burdensome and antiquated and enforced by foreign agents.
Oh, burdensome and antiquated is the exact perfect description for the Internal Revenue Code today. You know? I've told the story about senator Barkley. This is a quote John and Glenn found when they were doing research in their book. You ever heard of senator Barkley, Mark? Probably not. Right? Don't think so. He was a very prominent senator back in the forties. They were wanting him to run for vice president. He was the, he was the in the senate, very popular. He was the head of the ways and means commission, which I'd they don't have a ways and means, conference anymore that's in the house, but they used to evidently because he was the chairman of it.
And he got frustrated and walked away from the senate and had a they sent him a letter with every single sitting senator begging him to come back. He's very, very popular. I don't remember what his first name was, but his last name is Barclay. And as the head of ways and means, that's where all the money is generated in ways and means committee. And so Barclay, if I had this quote, and he said, every year, we're selling the folks from Treasury over here, and we try and sit down and explain to them that we want the code less ambiguous and and not as bulky.
And he said, every year, the folks from Treasury come back with something that only Solomon and all of his wise men could understand.
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Yep.
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K.
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So it's your intentionally that way. Yeah. Yes, Larry.
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Yeah. I like to go back for a minute. You're talking about the importance of investing in
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precious metals and gold and things like that. Well, anything solid, but that's my my that's my vehicle of choice. But anything Bitcoin, saw, silver, any of those things depending on your situation, land, even anything real.
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Alright. I know you're not a big fan of Dave Ramsey, but, you should at least consider what he has to say on the subject. He says this, he asserts that investing in gold is a poor strategy for an economic crash stating it is not that it has not been a reliable medium for bartering in a failed economy since the Roman empire. His team argues that gold's price is driven by fear and emotion rather than intrinsic value and that during a true societal collapse, people will resort to bartering and practical. And practical items like food, fuel, and water among other necessities would be more valuable.
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Well, I don't disagree with him there. If you don't have very small sizes and you don't know what you're doing with it, it it could be very inconvenient for you. If you just bought ounces or bars and you're trying to get in that environment and barter that stuff, how they gonna have change for you?
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They're not. K?
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So, I I agree with mister Ramsey and his team to that extent. But, believe me, when it starts spiking, there's gonna be people the problem with gold is what do you exchange it for? Right. You can exchange it for more crap money crap paper money that you want to get out of in the first place? Well, that's gonna be a medium of exchange. And by the way, when the if and when there is some big crash, it doesn't happen overnight. It generally happens over time. It's like the oil tanker on the high seas. They can't turn it on a dime. But, but it's been money for five thousand years. And, you know, I doubt if mister Ramsey and his team really understand how the monetary system works, Larry, in all honesty.
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Hey, Raj.
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Yes.
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I would say silver would be a better bet because it's, because it's easier. It's it's lower denominations, and you can't eat
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gold. It's good to have both. Okay? It depends on your situation. For me, I don't give a flip about silver even though it may have all kinds of upside advantages because I'm 77 years old and I got no heirs. I don't care about that.
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Question is, even if you Silver. If you have an ounce of gold that's divided into tenth ounce increments, okay, you still can't buy a loaf of bread with a tenth ounce of gold.
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Well, it's still a tenth ounce or a tenth ounce Eagles worth about $300 today. Right. Okay. But silver has got some You gotta buy
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you gotta buy a truckload of bread.
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Yeah. The silver has has got the real disadvantage of portability. Okay. Yep. I mean, you can't run very far with silver. Alright. So there's the yins and yang's of all of it. Best thing is to have a little of both, I would assume. I've, I've got a little of both, just not, not enough of it here.
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But anyway Roger's got a horse named silver. You can pull a cart full of silver.
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If you, you know, if what else you're gonna invest in, Larry? What does mister Ramsey suggest? Cash is gonna be king for a while. Obviously. Especially down here like where I am, these people are, you know, uneducated Indian. Some of them can't even read or write. They're they're gonna recognize a $20 bill a lot more than they'll recognize a 10,000 silver eagle. So cash is gonna be king He says to He says to invest in mutual funds. They have Oh, yeah. There's a a better one. A better one. Yeah. There's a yeah. There's a good one. Why don't you do that so they can switch out your value for these damn bonds? That's a real good idea.
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Yeah. I don't think we need to talk about David's deal. Mutual fund of mutually assured destruction?
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I have no idea, Dave. I've never screwed with Wall Street or any of their schemes. K? Never. I own the only stock I've ever owned was four shares of Pitney Bow stock that I got because I'd done exceptionally well with them, and they gave me that. And it doubled to eight, and I couldn't wait to get rid of them. I actually had the shares. I called some brokerage house there in Atlanta and went by their office, and they couldn't they couldn't get them out of my hands quick enough. K? So that's the only stock I've ever owned. I don't know anything about that. Yes.
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If I had the money to do it, I would get ounces of gold in tenth ounce increments or a bar that's that's, serrated so you can break off the tenth ounce. Yeah. Those are good. Those are good. And I would get silver as the daily medium of exchange and then use a tenth ounce of gold to buy silver that I needed to use to function.
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K. So,
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Paul, we make a Valcombi
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bar out of gold and silver that's it breaks into
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50 gram, pieces, I think. Yeah.
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Yeah. There's a couple of people in gold and that. Silver. Yep. Yeah. You're gonna pay it a little bit. It's very inexpensive. Well, I sort of said you're gonna pay a bit of a premium.
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Yep. There's a big premium. The smaller the denominations
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or the weight, the more they charge you. Because there's extra work that goes into it. If you just buy an ounce, they have to get an ounce dye and they take that the the blank and they bring it down and the, press presses it down. It presses it out and it comes out the other side. Okay? But to get 10 pounds, you got to do that 10 times. So there's more packaging, there's more labor, there's more electricity, there's more of everything used in getting that down to a smaller size. Now you also you're getting it down to a purity is is more of a step. You know, we were involved, in Karatbars, years back.
Great concept. Wonderful company. It's just Harold Seitz tried to do too much at one time. He tried to grow the company on three or four to five different fronts at one time, and that just wasn't the way to do it. It eventually took him down, but they got $9.09 $4.09 silver. I mean, $4.09 gold. So that even to refine it down, the normal Eagle or or or sovereign coin, except for Buffalo in The US, the Maple Leaf in the Canadian, and the kangaroo in Australia, those are 24 carat coins. But the other regular coins have alloys in them. They're only well, it depends on the country and the coin, but you're only talking 96 to 98% gold. The rest of it is alloys to harden it up.
When the when the buffalo first first started getting printed, which is that the same image as the 5¢ buffalo nickel, except it's a one ounce gold coin. I'd love to have one of those because I just love that design. And, when they were first printing those early on, the bunch of them slipped off of a truck, and they hit the ground, and it it wasn't a continuous circle anymore. There was one side that was slightly flat because it's so soft. When that fall happened and that weight, it it made one of the sides not round totally. And so, there was a bunch of those when they first started doing the buffalos.
But, it's a you know, before you go out spending stuff, learn a little bit about the industry. You wanna try and get the smallest you can. There's still some people. I think I heard, Schmidt Sheck Sheckler Andy Sheckler was saying they had, junk silver a while back. So evidently, people have had to sell out of some of the junk silver they bought, which the premium's already been paid. They may charge a little bit now because of scarcity, but, that's another good play, dimes and quarters. So there's all kinds of things, but go into it open. I'd go and find out a little bit about it, what you're doing, but it would be very wise to hedge your, hedge some of your paper, however you wanna do it. Everybody's different. Everybody's situation is different. But, it'd be a smart thing to do right now.
As evidenced by the fact that yeah. Just a second, Rick. My little old gold that I bought for less than $300 is worth $3,300 or more right now. So has the value of gold gone up from less than 300 to 3,000, or has the value of the paper gone down? It's the latter. The value of the paper has gone down. The price of gold hasn't risen. Here's the example to prove that. If we were in Rome today, and in those days, I could take an ounce of gold, go buy a nice toga, a nice sash, some good sandals, and go out and have a nice dinner. I can do that same thing in New York City today with an ounce of gold. The price of gold has not changed. It's the value of the purchasing power is what you're looking for. Rick, what you got?
[01:05:51] Unknown:
If you still owe on something, your home, your cars, credit cards, you don't need to be buying gold. You need to be paying your debt off. Well, I'd agree with don't. Yep. And what you don't own will be taken away from you. What you do own, you can use that
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to barter.
[01:06:10] Unknown:
Well, you could also play if you would have been, astute enough to understand these markets and other work, and you could buy some of that. And if it goes through a rise, like, I think we're expecting to from 3 to 5 plus thousand dollars, you could sell that and then ease more easily pay off your mortgage. There's a couple of ways to approach that. You know? But be be out of debt is is certainly a very important thing. K? They're they're saying they're speculating by 2030 that BlackRock will own 60% of the single family homes in America.
Their goal is to buy up all the single family homes in America right now and turn everybody into renters. So we'll see. Yeah. I guess you heard you heard Fink got appointed as cochair of the, World Economic Forum this week. Was that you, Dave?
[01:07:03] Unknown:
Yeah. I just heard yesterday that, we got this looming energy crisis. BlackRock bought the, I don't know, power companies or something in Minnesota, and their their their power costs have have, you know, just gone skyrocketing
[01:07:23] Unknown:
with people. Yep. And buying and that's we're gonna do that everywhere now. Well, they're they've done it in several places already. Some were down in Texas or in the Southeast, Southwest. Right. And they're going around and and it's like they did in line of Maui. All of a sudden, no no more you know, you don't you don't cut the trees back. You don't do this. You don't do that. So, yeah, they're buying BlackRock's buying up everything, folks. They own Yep. Percentage controlling percentage in 87% of the companies listed on the New York Stock Exchange. K?
So, I mean, potentially, should we get the right mixture and people and and the right platforms and publicity, we may could take these bastards down because all of their successes are based on fraud. All of them. So I don't know. We just take it one day at a time and see what develops and hope that the good lord will see and grace us enough to open the door and let us through. So that's what we're looking for and striving for. Any new folks have anything to say on all that? I don't know if Todd and his group are are up on all this financial side of this is so important. I mean, this is the horse they rode in on is the financial horse, and it's the horse they're gonna ride out on too, or they're planning on anyway.
So, so nobody any anybody got questions or comments? I guess that's no. Mark, you had you you contacted me this week and said you had an interesting situation. Why don't you come forward with that? Maybe we can raise a few folks on that. They don't wanna talk about the economics.
[01:09:17] Unknown:
Sure. I received, or I should say the straw man received the email at strawman@mark,allcaps,.com. That's [email protected], and it doesn't have to be all capitalized. But anyway, I received an email and it was a husband and wife were interested in becoming Nationals. But the husband is a is a peace officer or police officer, excuse me, police officer in Wisconsin. And there was concern about how him becoming a national might affect his licensing as being a police officer. So I did initial, you know, query, research, and what came back was was a concern. Because my my question was, could a non resident alien or somebody legally present in The United States be able to work as a police officer in Wisconsin? Now it said no, you strictly had to be a US citizen, so on and so forth. But there had been some laws that they were trying to implement in Wisconsin, which if you don't know, Wisconsin is one of these very big liberal states.
And so but it got put on the back burner where they were going to allow green card holders to be able to be police officers. So anyway, I just wanted to, you know, broach that subject with you. Maybe we can flesh it out and and see, you know, what does a person do? What does a national do when we're faced with this situation where you're looking at a form and it says, do you swear under penalty of perjury or you're a US citizen? And they need that for their livelihood. Or in another recent instance I had another person who was trying to open up a trading account and it asked them the same thing. It's like you got to swear that you're a US citizen under penalty of perjury.
So if there's no option for a national in our status, what is a person to do?
[01:11:45] Unknown:
I don't know. But you know why they do that? Why is that? So they can so you fall under their laws, and they can they got remedies or whatever else. If you don't, you you you're not inside their legal jurisdiction where they can apply some of that stuff to you. But now the question on this comes up and here's a complexity. Go back to this the, certificate of noncitizen nationality there on the state department. Their statement, according to the INA, all US citizens are US nationals, but only a few nationals are not citizens. That third one is American Samoa.
And, otherwise, you've got all three statuses right there. You have federal status, American Samoan, and national. Because they say, according to the INA, all US citizens are US nationals. Now we've had this discussion at times before, but this is another layer of their fraud. Or they're asking you that question, but hidden behind that with the is the fact that they had to make both of those statuses equal, citizen of The United States Of America and citizen of The United States to overcome plus e v Ferguson and Brown versus the education rolls on. So when they're saying, are you a citizen of The United States, is that national still there? Could you put yes and say, well, this is lack of full disclosure and sue them for discrimination, should they come in, like, take your job away?
And these are some of the complex ideas that sit in the background that somebody knew. Well, you might have a little bit of a hard time getting your arms around this because it's real screwy.
[01:13:38] Unknown:
Yeah. This is the only place that I tend to kind of struggle with because I can't, you know, I can't put my finger except for what you just, what you just quoted about The US citizen being a national. I just can't quite get my finger on it to say yes and here's here's why. I see. For me, if they don't put an option for me being a national, I'm going to sign it even under penalty of perjury that I'm a US citizen and if I ever get challenged, I'll pull out my affidavit and say look. And again, I want to contribute this phrase to Paul Viner when he brought it forward, it was just gold. And that was out of the rule of necessity.
Mhmm. So out of the rule of necessity and in order to keep the peace, I, you know, I had no other option national. So So that's the main concern. People are scared to death They are. That they're gonna trip up and lose their status as a national. It's incredible.
[01:14:57] Unknown:
This the fear that's been instilled in people. I had somebody write me this down and say, can you look over this cover letter to the attorney general of the state? That's how scared people are that they're gonna screw up and do something wrong. You know? Let me bring another example of this up for discussion though, Mark, because it's it came to the forefront. If you remember, we had those two or three shows with, oh, with our friend from Abram from Minnesota who was tell saying I wasn't teaching everything right, and we're all over this Yeah. Damn statutes like Larry tries to bring up and arguing over all that crap. So Right. As I thought about that, because I hate shows like that, and and and but it was very provocative, that whole thing.
So and it doesn't really matter if you just put US national. Just use national. But this that's what this whole discussion was over over a couple of shows, and it got a little bit argumentative at times and confrontational. Yep. I remember. I remember. So let's go back. But the way that I ended up coming to a conclusion in my mind, someone's acting up again, was, the passport oath. Now there's the passport oath. I swear now to get that passport cleared to be put out, it has to go through the Office of Management and Budget, make sure everything is constitutional and correct on there, and then they issue it an OMB number before it can even be placed in front of one public person. Okay?
So that's underlying. And I think that's buttress that they do do that by the fact that they've got the warning box in there. They don't have to put that warning box in there. They don't want to put that warning box in there. They've got to to meet all these requirements. You they don't tell you why it's there. They just put it there. So can we concur that they have gone the extra mile to meet the requirements of an OMB number? Yes. I would say so. Alright. Well, then the oath then the oath there and all three statuses have to be there then, don't they? If that's the case, that they've met all those requirements, all three statuses have to be presented there in that oath, don't they?
[01:17:23] Unknown:
Yeah. Okay. Well, and you just raised the most important. Well, let let's finish and we can discuss.
[01:17:29] Unknown:
Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead. I swear under penalty of perjury. I'm a citizen of The United States, parentheses, or a noncitizen national. There's only two there. There's not three. Where's the third one? I don't know. Where's The US national? Is it hiding behind noncitizen national American Samoan? Or is it hiding behind citizen of The United States? And I knowing the series of Plessy versus Ferguson and Brown and what they were doing, I say that it's hidden behind the citizens of The United States, and that statement in the certificate of noncitizen nationality that all US citizens or US nationals is probably the most honest statement you'll ever see out of these son of a bitches.
[01:18:21] Unknown:
May I? Roger?
[01:18:22] Unknown:
Yes. Hold on. Hold on a second. Let's get Mark and I. I will open it up for discussion. So, Mark, what do you think of that?
[01:18:31] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm gonna have to work on that a little bit to wrap my head fully around it. But my my argument's always been this, you know, in this I'm trying to keep it as simple as possible. What what stood out to me right then and there, Roger, is on your passport, you're swearing to be a US citizen
[01:18:49] Unknown:
or a national? Or a national. Right.
[01:18:53] Unknown:
Okay. So you're you're given that option.
[01:18:59] Unknown:
I don't have that Well, they don't wanna give it to you. They don't wanna tell you you can Right. You can move on it. They just have to put it in there to meet the requirements of the Office of Management and Budget and the Paperwork Reduction Act. Right. You know, there used to be a statement in there in the instructions under and it was headed, paperwork reduction act. You know how they break these things up in the in the instructions? Yes. And it said, well, so we have to get a we have to get an OMB number and go through this process before we can put this passport application out. And often, this is difficult to do because our citizenship laws are very complex.
They used to say that in the instructions. Since I started talking about it on the air, they've taken it out. K? But they literally used to rub your nose in it right there in the instructions. So that's my thesis. Yeah. My thesis is that the national is hidden behind the citizen of The United States there because of Brown versus Board of Education overcoming separate but equal unpleasing. So that's my statement, my thesis, and I believe that's true. So, Mark, your comments and then, there was a female and and Larry wants to say something.
[01:20:17] Unknown:
Alright. So I pulled up the DS 11 passport form. Yes, sir. And right above the applicant's legal signature, age 16 and older is, you know, that box. And then right above that and it also has mother, father, parent, if they you got a legal guardian. But right above that is the statement that we're, you know, talking about. And it says, I declare under penalty of perjury all of the following. One, I'm a citizen or a noncitizen national of The United States Yep. And have not performed any of the acts listed under acts or conditions on page four of the instructions of this application unless explanatory statement is attached.
The statements made on the application are true and correct. I've not knowingly and willfully made false statements or included false documents in support of this application. The photograph attached to this application is a genuine current photograph of me, and I have read and understood the warning on page four of the instructions to the application.
[01:21:23] Unknown:
Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Yeah. They didn't used to have that in there until I started bringing this out on the air.
[01:21:32] Unknown:
Right.
[01:21:33] Unknown:
They have changed, folks. They have changed the oath on the passport application because of what we've exposed here. Right. You you don't think this is important? I think you might be
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wrong. And and so my, you know, my response to people that are scared to death that if they sign something I mean, you give if you're given a form and it doesn't include a checkbox for being a national and the only way this is going to work is if you the only way you're going to be able to open an account or do whatever is select US citizen, then select US citizen. And if it ever comes to light, a challenge, which I never heard anybody being challenged on this, then you know, like Paul Vener, he said, out of the rule of necessity, in other words, you're keeping me from doing whatever I want to do because you're not putting down the national status. You don't give me an option to select national, which is one of the statuses here in The United States. Oh no. They do give you the option. So you don't give me an option of using, you know, checking US citizen.
I'm going to check US citizen and I'm going to go about my way. Now if you're really concerned about it, you can check US citizen. And once you got your account open or once you got whatever you were needing to get, then you can send in a one page letter saying, hey. Under the rule of necessity and in order to keep the peace, you know, I had to you you know, your form didn't have this option, and so I had to select US citizen. And if you have any problems with that, you know, let me know within thirty days and attach a copy of your affidavit to mail it in. I doubt you'll hear a peep out of anybody.
[01:23:29] Unknown:
Right. I'm Otherwise, they're infringing on your right to contract.
[01:23:33] Unknown:
Right? Sure. Well, that too. Yes. Or get out of contract.
[01:23:38] Unknown:
Right. And and then created a system intentionally to try to lock you in being a US citizen.
[01:23:47] Unknown:
It's just like a lobster trap or a crab trap. You bait it in there. You have those little openings. The lobster or the crab gets in. They can't get out. The only way you can get out is to, at least with the passport office here, is to include a copy of what you're going to be. Otherwise, they fall back on presumption. Everything runs on presumption of law. And the way that you ascertain that is look at the way they always move forward. Don't they just continue to move forward, Mark, on the press or agenda? Press, press, press, press. Yeah. That's presumption. That's presumption. It's gotta be presumption.
K? So what we're doing when we do all this is going back ab initio at the beginning and saying, no. None of this stuff applies to me. It's fraud, and we're gonna do an end run around it. And they can't do crap about it. Okay. Let's see what Larry and, and our female there, had to say. Larry, I'm gonna go with the female first this time, but I won't forget about you. Who is the lady that wanted to say something there?
[01:24:55] Unknown:
Oh, Roger. It's Nancy. Oh, hey, Nancy. Hey. I was just you further you further, fleshed out what around, Brown versus Board of Education that I was going to affirm because they've made the statuses equal, the state citizen and
[01:25:16] Unknown:
the federal. So Well, they had Plessy versus for yeah. If they were to overcome Plessy versus Ferguson, that's what they had to do. Now I will maintain, and I'm not red brown, and I don't know what kind of tortured legal reasoning they used. But how they made someone with god given rights and and duties equal to somebody with civil rights and fourteenth amendment man given rights and duties, I don't know how they did that. And, again, my I would I would put forward, here's another layer of fraud right there.
[01:25:54] Unknown:
And I think you both have covered it fairly comprehensively, but that was I know that they've they've equalized the statuses, and then and they're hiding. They only give us the option of the US citizen.
[01:26:09] Unknown:
And so because I know how they're hiding it, and then they yeah. So I just was gonna affirm that. Well, my let's go back, and I'll get you a second, Larry. Let's go back to the original example of this police officer in Wisconsin that has to be licensed. That automatically indicates a citizen of The United States Could you gotta require a license? K? License being permission to do something which is otherwise illegal. Why would be, being a police officer be illegal? So there's one of those things, but should they move on him for that? We're in the hypothetical territory now. Should they move on that? Doesn't he have a potential remedy on discrimination?
[01:26:54] Unknown:
Oh, I would say so. Absolutely. But, man, I would, I would try to avoid that. Well, no kidding. I mean No. Yep. I try to have him avoid going to court if if at all possible. I mean, I guess in a worst case scenario, you could Well, at least jump back in the the frying pan and be a US citizen.
[01:27:14] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. So it it it's an interesting question. We get into this little law this little area that's well, it's quite the shade of gray. I I feel that my my approach to this is more than a shade of gray. But for the average person, this one of those shade of gray areas that could be very confusing. Larry, what do you got, buddy?
[01:27:37] Unknown:
Yeah. To go along with what Mark Mark is saying, I would suggest that if you're forced to mark and put a check mark in the box that says, are you a citizen of The United States, you can do that. I don't know if this will work on the
[01:28:01] Unknown:
passport for me. Well, they never ask you that question in the past. I I know that. I know that. I know that. But,
[01:28:08] Unknown:
what I'm saying is, like, it on the on the DS 11, for example, it'll it'll ask, is your father and is your mother a US citizen? Correct. And, of course, you have instructed us not to lie and to put no because it's a or, I mean, yes, because it is the feudal system, and your affidavit will take care of, you know, eliminating the presumption. But, other than that, like, on government forms like the I nine, they don't give you a choice. They give you four choices. The first one is citizen of The United States, and then the other four choices, if you carefully read the instructions to the I nine, none of those apply to us. Those are all talking about foreign nationals.
And, so the choice would be since The United States, and what you can do is you could put in parentheses by birth in The United States, comma, the 50 states of the union. And when you do that, you have just defined the term United States so that they can never claim the use of, the statutory United States or presume that you are a statutory creation of Congress or one born in any of The US territories.
[01:29:26] Unknown:
Now isn't there a option on that I nine alien permitted to work?
[01:29:35] Unknown:
Something to that effect, but that it might be number four, but that is still if you like I said, if you read the instructions, if you choose that one, then there's three I think there's three it's been about a year since I read the instructions. Well, they may have changed it by now too. One of one of three one of three particular pieces of paperwork that you have to include, and none of that pertains to what we are even as a national. So the best thing to do is just choose citizen of The United States. And because none of that is going to the IRS. The employer is just gonna put that in their file.
And then like I said, I I because that's not a passport application where they're very strict with marking it up, you can just put in parentheses what I just laid out previously.
[01:30:23] Unknown:
See. And and I would say, Larry, just to be a little devil's advocate, I would check alien permitted to work and include a copy of the affidavit.
[01:30:34] Unknown:
K. Just On on national status, on that I nine form, they suggest using, checking box number two, a noncitizen national of The United States.
[01:30:51] Unknown:
But that's American Samoan specifically. Again, if you check that, I would put an affidavit with that.
[01:30:59] Unknown:
Okay.
[01:31:00] Unknown:
K? But it yeah. If you check that one, again, if you look at the instructions, very careful about what you choose.
[01:31:14] Unknown:
Well, I think everything's probably can be altered and straightened out if there's some confusion. But, you could probably do any of those three options right there and see how we'll see how they object. You know, you never know till you put something forward how they're gonna react.
[01:31:32] Unknown:
And and and let's throw some plausible deniability on them because most of the time when you sign these things, it's under the best of my knowledge, to the best of my knowledge. Well, if they made the citizenship status so convoluted that you've got a form and you don't know what to fill out and you do your best, then you can say, hey, this is just the best of my knowledge. That's what I thought I was. I'm a national. And the way you've written this is a non citizen national in The United States. Now they have they say see instructions. But I believe I would have plausible deniability
[01:32:13] Unknown:
if it ever came up. It would. I don't think you're gonna have a problem with it coming up. I don't think so either. I'm just trying to show, especially if there's any new folks with us, any of Todd's bunch, some of the areas of this that are real shady gray. K? There's a couple of them. There's not many. Everything else we pretty well sculled up and proven. And the, passport office and the secretary of state must agree with us because they don't object. Okay? Right. And and it's just these very interesting couple of areas of and what is a US national? Who is it?
See, I think maybe it covers both, but I I it's just a gray area. And the thing is Yeah. In the overall viewpoint, it doesn't really have a bearing on what we do. Because all you all I instruct you to do is always just put national. But it is an interesting question on how they set this up because we like to understand as terrible as it is to have an insight into how they think. And when you see the way they think things out, you figure out how they think real freaking quick. Yes.
[01:33:23] Unknown:
Yep.
[01:33:24] Unknown:
Well, you know, I I wanna go back to what Bob in Florida experienced about the Oh, okay. The court office talking to him.
[01:33:32] Unknown:
Yeah.
[01:33:33] Unknown:
Yeah. The call from the females. Yeah. The call. Yeah. So, you know, he's talking to them and then, you know, they're they're really, like, you gotta be a US citizen. And finally, he's like, do you have my affidavit on file? Yep. Oh, yeah. What's I'm looking at it right here. Then I don't care what you call me because in the, there is a case. I don't think it was Minor versus Haaporsett. But, anyway, it says that your passport is prima facie evidence of your citizenship status and that can be challenged. So your passport even isn't proof of your status.
That's just allowing you to get in other countries. Right? You you remember the Browns? Here. Yeah. You remember the Browns? I don't care if they if they wanna call me a US citizen or if that's the only way I can operate in this stupid political system. But only I can say what my citizenship status really is. Correct. I've established it by putting my affidavit on file with the secretary of state in DC, and hopefully, you at least got a passport card, which should digitally enter you into the system. So somebody looks it up, they're gonna find out you're a national.
[01:35:00] Unknown:
I you remember the Browns from years ago, twenty five years ago up in Vermont or New Hampshire somewhere that they went after for IRS stuff? Do you remember that case? It got a lot of publicity this time. I don't off the top of my head. Well, got a lot of publicity. You know what they convicted them on? No. Their passports. They brought out the passport and said they're citizens of The United States, and they convicted them on that.
[01:35:31] Unknown:
Well, there was a recent student of David Strait who, worked for a university as a lady, and she stopped withholding, and then she filed for refunds. And the IRS said, no. You're past the the time limit to get refunds. And she I can't believe she did this, but she sued the IRS and to get her refunds. And the IRS, come out in the court, decision that that she didn't prove that she wasn't a US citizen. Right. There you go. Okay. She she did not prove that she wasn't a US citizen. So, you know, right there and we've we've got that beat. We've got that nailed down. Oh, yeah. You've got an affidavit. Once you've got that notarized and you serve the IRS with it and the secretary of state's office, I don't know that you really need to notify anybody else unless you're super concerned about the administrative process.
But you can just go on about your life. But those are your two places that you absolutely need to inform.
[01:36:53] Unknown:
Yeah.
[01:36:54] Unknown:
It's such a simple thing. I was You know, it's such a big monster and it's so ugly and people are so scared and all that so intimidating. When you really get down to this, it's so simple. No. I've got the power. I'm gonna decide what I am, and you can't say a damn thing about it, and they can't. Yeah. Yeah. K. There was, somebody trying to say something there a second ago. Who was that?
[01:37:21] Unknown:
Yeah. Hi, Roger. This is, Ezana. Ezana. Hi, Roger. Hi, Mark. How are you guys doing? We're good. How are you doing? Fine. Thank you. I do have a question and a a comment to make. Okay. Please. So, on this topic that Mark just brought up, you know, you've taught us that it's not are you a person, it's which person are you. Right? So on that on that particular case, and if you're a police officer, you said it at the beginning when this conversation begun. You started out. And the reason they have it that way is because that's so that the laws would apply to you. Yes. No. But if you mark that as a if you're a national, you sign that as a citizen.
And later, it was to be discovered. There's some incident. Police officers face a lot of incidents. Right? Incident occur and that they think that you're responsible and they're about to hang you dry. And, and they find out that the laws don't apply to you because you're a national. So how would that situation work? I mean, at what point do you have equal equal equal, you would be treated by the police, you know, authorities, whatever,
[01:38:52] Unknown:
equally as a US citizen. Well, I don't think it's their call. I don't think it's their call. They've got ignorance about this. I think that would be a court call. And what I would think you would try and do is, address the court with an administrative procedures approach initially, present them them with the affidavit. They're the ones that are gonna have to make the ultimate call. That's the way I would see your hypothetical situation. Mark, you agree with that? Did Mark have to take off? I got a comment about that.
[01:39:26] Unknown:
I apologize. I was off researching for for that case.
[01:39:30] Unknown:
Did you hear Azana's, question? No. What was his question again? Oh, he's talking about getting Azana, you wanna post it again?
[01:39:40] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. So, a person, as a police officer signs up US citizen on the on the on the application to get a license. Right? And, but the person is, in fact, a national. Right? So, Rogers taught us it's not, you know, it's not are you a person, it's which person are you. So in this case, you are a person of there's two persons, right, US citizen and a national. So the rights and duties of a US citizen receives is no longer the same as yours as a national line for disposition. So should, you know, if nothing happens, nobody knows. So it's never happened. But if an incident was to occur, and on that particular individual, how would it be treated, and what would be the situation in that case? Yeah. Because if they were to find out that he's not a US citizen, then how would they handle it?
[01:40:46] Unknown:
You're talking about the peace off the police officer from the start. That example. Yeah. Yeah. From the start. Yes.
[01:40:55] Unknown:
Wow. That's, you know, it's one of those hypotheticals that, I think it falls back on what Roger was saying about all US citizens being nationals. And that's what I would stick with if that ever came up.
[01:41:11] Unknown:
See, I just I just don't see how Azana and I I've and I've mulled on this for a long time many times since we came up with this few years back. How do how do you make someone equal that receives man given rights versus someone that receives god given rights? How do you make someone equal Yeah. As total access to the constitution and its protections versus someone who doesn't? How can that be equal?
[01:41:43] Unknown:
Yeah. I guess my question is, it is under the presumption that everyone that works in the police station is US citizen. Right? They operate under that presumption. And and it's probably true. Should they Yes, but should they find out that some of them. Okay, because they're US citizens certain rules and regulations apply to everyone. Right. So, but should they find out that amongst them and there's that one individual that the laws and regulations don't apply to because he's not a US citizen. You know? And so they can't how would they handle that? That's alright. I had a question.
[01:42:24] Unknown:
Do all police officers in the country have to go through this, Mark, or is it just this one part of Wisconsin in some sort of a special situation?
[01:42:33] Unknown:
That's all police officers. That's it's a national it's a national law, basically. It's a standard that they all go by. It's uniform.
[01:42:43] Unknown:
Well, it shouldn't be that way. But, you know, it's interesting. We've never delved off into this before, Asana. Yeah. That'd be an interesting I think you'd always have a defense on discrimination and bringing some of these this information forward, but it's gonna have to be in a court setting. You don't know who the judge is gonna be. You don't know what his disposition is gonna be, and there's a lot of unknowns in there. This is a fairly complex argument. If you're gonna go into court and put this argument forward, it's gonna be novel because nobody's ever come up with it before, and it's gonna be very unusual being put forth as a, as a defense on this, I would think. Yeah. I'd we we just don't know.
[01:43:30] Unknown:
Yeah. So the reason I brought it up is is if that was to happen and an incident was to occur and say the judge says, you know what? He's a national, so those those rules don't apply. And the masses see that one of them gets away with certain things Of course.
[01:43:48] Unknown:
Then the whole lid is gonna come. Well, that's what I keep saying. Which judge you keep talking about these things being presented in court. Which judge is gonna go down as the judge that pulled the bottom card out of the house card? He's got pension. He's got reputation. He's got all that stuff riding on that. I'll get you in a second, Marco. Okay? That's been my question for many years. Who's gonna be the judge that's gonna do that? That's why I was so impressed with the situation out of Missouri in the boat bum bum bum held Missouri when he got a speeding ticket and no seat belt. And he went in and actually sat down in the judge's chambers. And the judge looks across the desk, and he said, I've read your affidavit.
He didn't expound on it. That's all he said. I read your affidavit. If you'll just go ahead and settle the seat belt, pay $10 fine down at the end of the hall, it all goes away. And that guy was in a terrible mood that day and refused the judge's offer. Do you see what's going on? He's trying to do what you're saying, but he doesn't wanna suffer the repercussions. So he'll meet him halfway. Just pay the $10 charge and it all goes away. He's he's offering him an offer and he turned it down. So now he's gotta go to court. So he goes to court. And fortunately for him, the judge gave him the same deal in court.
[01:45:23] Unknown:
Yeah. K? One example, that I was, that came to mind, yeah, is is that the police officer, I think, is in Wisconsin. She accidentally pulled out her her gun instead of her taser and shot and killed a guy. Oh, yeah. Remember that? Yes. I do. It was just awful tragic. And the guy that that that it was it was an accident. Right? But they gave her ten years. Now if if she was a national,
[01:45:57] Unknown:
Well, no. No. It's well, no. Because there's because there's a death laid out. Well, there's death involved. So the, it's that's always gonna be criminal. I might drool it as manslaughter or something, but it's always gonna be in the criminal realm. It's just like if you have a car accident. Okay. I have a I'm driving a car down here in Ecuador, which I don't do, and I have an accident. The laws of Ecuador would apply to me. They'd if I was at that accident scene, they'd throw me in jail because that's what they do down here. If you have an accident, they throw both parties in jail until the property issue is settled. How about that, Mark?
So, anyway, yeah, interesting area. Good to good to hear you, Azana.
[01:46:44] Unknown:
Alright. I I do have I do have another comment to make, but, I'm sorry. Go ahead, and then we'll get to Mirka.
[01:46:52] Unknown:
Okay. So Before before he moves on Alright. Hold on. Before you launch off. What, Mirka?
[01:46:58] Unknown:
Yeah. I wanted to answer him, you know, that, someone that's a national, and and they'd be working, employment, like a corporation, like police department. It if he's a national and he's already working there, his rights are always reserved. So they would have to handle things a little different
[01:47:18] Unknown:
Yeah. Under common law. Well, the only thing here's a really good real example with John and the, the the gig. John had a you know what I'm talking about? Our farmer. He had a really, really important job when he first stumbled on us, and he did write the state department. I I guess I'll step out of school, and I'll tell you what his job was. He had a con there was a contractor that had the contract. He was a subcontractor, and he had the security shield over the entire state department website that all the embassies from the world check-in and out of every day. He changed into being a national, and he wrote the state department what he'd done, and they didn't do anything.
And some time went by, and all of a sudden, one morning, he woke up and his credentials didn't work anymore. So they'd fired him. And, and then he wrote again through his sub his contractor and laid out the entire incident, everything, the national list, what it was, all that, and they wouldn't answer anything. And so that is about the time he inherited the farm. And so he said, okay. For hell with it. I'll just go do this farm bill. But that was his job, and they eventually did fire him. He was not directly contracted with the federal government, but he was a minor contractor that. And it may be that if you're a national, you cannot work for the federal government or that they may have an option.
Now I can see that.
[01:49:05] Unknown:
K?
[01:49:07] Unknown:
But, anyway, just some some things that have actually happened around here on some of these issues. Okay. That get you, Merkin? Thank you.
[01:49:17] Unknown:
Azana, you got something else to wait for? Yeah. I have some. Okay. Yeah. So, I wanted to, I would like to reach you my, response to the letter I got for my passport application. This is 2024. You know, I would like to read it to you. I read it to Mark and Mark liked it. So I got thumbs up. Okay. So I'd like to share that. Well, read it to the audience. Yeah. Read it just. Yeah. Okay. So, you know, this is the response to the letter they were. It says it no. It appears from the fact of your birth.
[01:49:54] Unknown:
Oh, that's the it's from the passport office. Yeah.
[01:49:58] Unknown:
Passports office. Cannot be waived by unilateral declaration except by otherwise provided by law. Anyway, so I got that letter in 05/02/2024. And I've been listening to you for about two months. So I guess February. Okay. And I sent my passport application, some three weeks, I guess, it'd be in April. April 11 is when I signed up that pay. So I got this letter. So I'd like to read to you what I wrote them. Okay. So it's two paragraph, And the first paragraph rubs it in their nose. And the second paragraph demands. Okay.
So it's I wrote the first paragraph. It says, thank you for your recent response to my request for passport application, which included my intention of unilateral declaration of nationality. Our instructions provided at the State Department website, state that travelthatstate.gov and I put the link and website title in there. And then the next part next and then it goes on. Section three zero two of public law 94 dash two for one any person who becomes a citizen of The United States may become a national open parents section one on one a 21. And of the in a defines the term national national as quote a person owing permanent allegiance to a state on quote close close parent.
But not a citizen of The United States by making a declaration before any court or court of record in the Commonwealth in the form as follows, I blank. Being duly sworn here by declare my intention to be a national, but not a citizen of The United States. So this is verbatim first paragraph I copy pasted all their text.
[01:52:03] Unknown:
Right.
[01:52:04] Unknown:
Then my second paragraph goes on, therefore. The notarized declaration I submitted with my passport application in a form of unreputeed affidavit is the highest form of court of record. My application for a passport, so in my nationality status with God given, constitutionally protected natural rights, but not a US citizen not a US citizen with civil right is correct and lawful and must be duly granted.
[01:52:44] Unknown:
I would say lawful and legal. I got my
[01:52:48] Unknown:
yeah. Yeah. Correct and lawful must be duly granted. Right. And I got my passport in twenty four hours. Yeah. Oh, there
[01:52:57] Unknown:
we've never had anybody address this in like you did here and read to us or otherwise that they haven't gotten their documents back. I take that back one. And that's Padgett's mother. And Padgett's mother was Padgett told her about this, and she, oh, yeah. I'd like to do that. You know? Didn't know really what it was or anything else. And so she sent her package in, but she didn't make a copy of her affidavit. And she had a South African passport, I believe, or before that. Anyway, they turned her down and we didn't have a copy of what she sent in so we couldn't go back and and do anything on any kind of administrative appeal.
So that's the only example. The lesson of the story, keep copies of everything you sent in, please. Yeah. Yeah.
[01:53:45] Unknown:
So, anyway, I thought I'd share that. Thank you, Roger. That's good. Thank you. Roger, I just wanna Yeah. Go ahead. I wanna thank Ezana. And he was one of, our trust students, him and his wife. And Ezana is just really astute, and he studies the information. He's got a really good grasp of of your teachings and what we talk about. And so I just wanted to brag on him a little bit because he's Thank you. You know. He he's really, you know, pays attention and Yeah. And takes us seriously. Look, he just gave you an example of it. He wrote a very nice one page. Folks, you don't have to put in rings of paper trying to educate somebody. No. No. He he just told him what the law says and this is what I'm doing.
And now it's up to them once you serve them with that letter, it's up to them to overcome it and they couldn't. Right. And he got his passport.
[01:54:46] Unknown:
And and let me say something about the information's effect on Zana. Zana. Yeah. You told me the other day you were very shy. Right?
[01:54:59] Unknown:
Yes. I'm actually I was just telling Mark, actually, how hard it was for me and then I, to to speak and and, so that I haven't shared this with anyone for the last year and a half almost. Right. So here you come on Yeah. It is. Yeah. On our radio, Joe, with a worldwide audience,
[01:55:18] Unknown:
and you step forward and read this, would you say that the information is empowering you also?
[01:55:24] Unknown:
Oh, absolutely. It's ridiculous what it did to me. Yeah.
[01:55:29] Unknown:
It it is very, very, very important. If you're if you're new and you've heard me say this is life changing information, I'm not kidding you. It changed mine, and you hear these people just like this with Ezana. This information, if it strikes the right person, has the ability to change lives. And, boy, that is powerful, folks. That's just powerful. So thank you. We're glad you're on board, Azana. Yeah, Larry. What you got? Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. We're glad to have you. Yeah. Do you have any
[01:56:04] Unknown:
any, theories in your own mind as to why the passport office will actually send back? Now I understand they're gonna send back your, like, when you apply for a passport via a DS 11, you have to provide, your your, a certified copy of your birth certificate, and, of course, you always wanna include your your, affidavit. Do you have any theories in your mind why they they definitely return the, the birth certificate, but they always return the affidavit? Why don't they state it in the file? Well, they do. Already have it in there? I don't know. I did hear somebody raise something the other day that I thought was quite interesting
[01:56:49] Unknown:
that if it's an original copy of your affidavit, they'll send it back. Otherwise, they won't. Now I don't know if that's true or not, but it sounded fairly legit to me. Mark, you got something to add to that?
[01:57:02] Unknown:
Oh, it they're scanning them in. You know, they don't want all that paper.
[01:57:07] Unknown:
Yeah. And, you know, if you go and it's Larry, if you go to the state department website, you can follow and your progress, your passport application. You know that. Right? Yeah. I'm also I got my passport last year. Okay. Let me finish. I've been putting it off, but I'm definitely gonna do the privacy request. Well, let me finish here. Do you know where I'm saying you can go to the website and check the progress of your burst of your passport. Well, when I did that, was this how somehow I how I know this. Gal DJ, one of our gals, Nancy, went back.
She found this out, and she's the one that told me about this. And if you and I went and and did it myself. You can go and, there'll be a little box when you point your arrow, your cursor on certain things, and it'll have little boxes of information pop up. And one of them says your passport, your birth certificate, and citizenship. And that's where we got the term for it. And citizenship evidence will be, returned in separate care you know, separate times. If you've got an open passport that you put in, they'll send that back to you real quick. The others, they may dribble in, and you don't get the passport book and the passport card at the same time or from the same source. But it may be that it's original affidavits. Otherwise, I do not know.
[01:58:41] Unknown:
Maybe, Todd, with hit with some of his students can test that out. When they go to apply for their passport, maybe they can track it and do just like you described, do the drop down window to see if all of that stuff is being listed. That would be really good, and they could take a screenshot.
[01:58:58] Unknown:
Mhmm. Roger?
[01:59:00] Unknown:
Yes. Dave?
[01:59:02] Unknown:
I don't know if you remember maybe about a year ago,
[01:59:05] Unknown:
we we did a renewal, and we my wife didn't do it exactly as a renewal. She actually once they got it, and they they she didn't include pictures and money and all that or check. And, she wanted him to correct stuff. And they sent us a letter, and they said, if you don't send in, you know, pictures and a check for, you know, $30 each, we will return your citizenship evidence. Okay. And they never returned the evidence. We didn't send the checks. Well, we did, but they did they claimed they never got them. And should I hold? No. Were they cashed? Did somebody cash the check? You could see easily you did it. No. We we got those back. We well, no. We yeah. We got the check back, but, they didn't send our citizenship evidence back.
And, they claimed that they didn't get our stuff within the ninety days. And the app they absolutely did, but, so then we renewed we did it again, and we did it with the photos and the checks. And they, you know, we got them I told you we got them in, like, a week. And, they just sent our cards back, you know, with the cut out of it, and they never sent back our citizenship evidence. Well, sometimes they do. Sometimes they don't. What really matters is it is it copied, scanned into your file.
[02:00:41] Unknown:
And just like Larry said, do a, a privacy request act on your file. We've never had anybody that did it that the documents weren't there. So if you do it and they're not there, you'll be a first. Okay? We are at the end of a broadcast week, kiddies, and, I'm going to very often enjoy a weekend, short and abbreviated as it may be, and you do the same thing. Thank you. We'll see you later in. Talk to Paul. I guess he's over hovering over his machines or something. Now somebody got something there? Was there was a mic open?
[02:01:23] Unknown:
Roger, one question about the IRS with your note with your notice.
[02:01:29] Unknown:
Do you send it to the Philadelphia office office or the Washington DC office? I don't think it matters. You might as well send it to the treasury now because that's where, the new secretary commissioner of the IRS is Scott whatever his name is. Besant. Okay. Just send it to commissioner. Little bit on that, please. Get the get the, Washington address. It's Congress Street or something, and just send it to the, commissioner.
[02:01:59] Unknown:
Yeah. Okay. Thank you. It's on the national status website. If you go to nationalstatus.com or nationalstatus.info Uh-huh. They've got all the notice addresses listed over there. Okay. Good for them.
[02:02:14] Unknown:
So, alright. Anybody else got something for Raj?
[02:02:20] Unknown:
Roger?
[02:02:21] Unknown:
Yes, sir.
[02:02:26] Unknown:
Yes? I have one question. I'm a new student.
[02:02:29] Unknown:
Well, alright. Well, hold on. Talk talk right in. Let's get our let's get our audio straightened out so I can hear your question. You sound a bit faint. Are you on earbuds?
[02:02:40] Unknown:
No, sir. I'm on speaker. Are you on Bluetooth or something?
[02:02:44] Unknown:
Speaker. No, sir. Try to take it off speaker. Take it off speaker and speak right in the microphone, if you would. Is this better? Oh, about a thousand percent.
[02:02:56] Unknown:
Okay. Roger, my name is Darren. I've been listening for a while. I've actually been studying and trying to figure this out for about ten years. And I Yeah. Ran across your, information about two months ago. So this was yeah. Yeah, it was life changing. I was like, well, you know, big light bulb went off. Right? Here's it. Yeah. I have my affidavits. I'm actually finalizing them now. I'm planning on getting them notarized today and wanna send them in next week. The whole birth certificate thing, long form birth certificate, do I need that,
[02:03:28] Unknown:
to send it with my affidavit? Or No. Not not not unless you're sending it to the passport applicate, office through an application. Have you ever had a pass was it Dan, did you say, is your name?
[02:03:40] Unknown:
Darren.
[02:03:41] Unknown:
Darren. Barron. Oh, hey, Barron. Oh, what part of the country? D As In David. Darren. Darren. Okay. Louisiana. Alright. I'll get it straight in a second. Been a long week, Darren. So what part of the country are you in?
[02:03:55] Unknown:
I'm from Louisiana.
[02:03:57] Unknown:
Ah, where where about? Right around Baton Rouge area. Right North of Baton Rouge. Okay. Well, yeah, I guess you you know I went to LSU. Right?
[02:04:09] Unknown:
Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Okay.
[02:04:12] Unknown:
Okay. Well, as always, happy to help one of our Louisiana boys, Darren. So you were saying you if I ask you, have you had a passport before? No, sir. I don't. No. And I've if I remember right, y'all recommend waiting twenty something days before you're asking for your passport. Well, we recommend it because we don't know who we're talking to, and we're not having a direct conversation with them. I could ask you, do you have any skeletons in your closet, like drunk driving tickets and stuff you haven't dealt with or anything like that? No, sir. Then I don't think you'd have to wait twenty one days. That's for people in that situation.
So,
[02:04:52] Unknown:
you can probably Although I do have my my registration, I have a notice, or issue where my insurance company entered the wrong vehicle for a couple months. So they I think I think my driver's license actually is
[02:05:05] Unknown:
revoked right now. Okay. Well, that's okay. But do you have a copy of it? Because you're gonna have to have a copy of some sort of an ID when you go do this. Yeah. Yeah. Mhmm. Now was somebody trying to say something here? Hold on, Darren. Is somebody trying to say something?
[02:05:23] Unknown:
Okay. Let's go back to You mean I lost my train of thought? Okay. Well, let let Oh, I'm Roger, I remember what it was. Okay. There there are some people that are not sending an initial notice to the, Department of State And that's okay. Secretary of State's office. And instead, they're opting to send in their affidavit for the first time with their passport application. Mhmm. And to me, when you send it in with your passport application, that really locks you into the system as identifying you.
[02:05:57] Unknown:
That's the way we did it for the first five or six years or more until this situation with this guy in California came up. And because of that one guy, we had to alter everything because I don't have a conversations with everybody that's filing this. And I don't and and if you don't send if you are one of those people that have got skeletons in your closet and you don't send in that one page affidavit with a cover letter, then you don't have any grounds for an administrative appeal. What? Roger, let's talk about this. You get that? Do you get that? Yeah. When you say Everybody get that? If you don't have some Yeah. I did. Okay. Well, they might not. They come in and like they did with this guy, they revoked his current open passport.
They rejected his passport application, and they kept his $140. And he had no appeal. If you had a one page affidavit naked in, you'd have a basis at least for an administrative appeal in an argument. That's the whole reason. One guy.
[02:07:03] Unknown:
Sure. Sure. Let's explain a little bit. When you say skeletons in the closet, that's a pretty vague term. What you mean is, like, there are certain conditions that you cannot get a passport. If you got an open felony warrant against you, you're not gonna get a passport. If you owe, child support, I think it's above 35,000, you're not gonna get a passport and they're gonna keep your money. So yes, Ezana.
[02:07:30] Unknown:
Mark, it's boring, Mark. Oh, I'm sorry. If you do it yeah. Yeah. How you doing, Mark? If you do it like Royer said, you're gonna get your passport because I was a sample that I cannot get a passport. And when I did it with Reuters, I send the affidavit to the state department first. And then I send full of passport, they gave it to me. There you go. If you do it the other way around, you're not gonna get it. Because You might. They will have nothing on file like you are a US citizen.
[02:08:00] Unknown:
Well, no. Wait. It doesn't you'll you'll get it because they people did for the first seven, eight years till this one situation came up. I wonder if But no. But not if you don't supposed to get a pass cord, brother. Not if you got skin it or the necklace, you know? Okay. Well, at least if they send it to you, you know? Yeah. Well, if they'd send it to you, great. But at least if they rejected you, then you could go back and hold their feet to the fire a little bit. Don't know how they'd react. We've never had it happen since. But that one incident, and I tell you on the air here that all the things we teach you have been thought through. Well, here's a perfect example of that.
Okay? Yep. So Darren, let's go back to you. Alright? So Okay. Being is that you've never had one before, you're gonna have to go in and use a d s eleven first time form. And that requires you to have a certified copy of your birth certificate. And it will ask you two questions. Are your parents citizens of The United States? Answer that truthfully, unless they filed an affidavit they are. And it doesn't make any difference, but answered honestly is my suggestion. And, there's one one other, the the the the the that. And you gotta sign it in front of an administrating official, either at the post office or if your area doesn't have an authorized agent at the post office, you will go in front of a judge or at least go to the judge's office to process it.
So you probably got an authorized agent at the post office right there where you are, and, you shouldn't have any problems. You you are gonna have to have a picture ID even though they may have suspended your license. I you still got it. Right? Yes. I have a one other question coming from Chris. Okay. Well, let's walk let me walk through this while I got it in my mind, and we'll address that. So that you've gotta have a picture ID, or if you don't have one, you've got to have someone with you that's known you for two years that has one, and supposedly, they'll accept that also. K? Now what was your question?
[02:10:18] Unknown:
Okay. So, I'm planning on and this is one of the reasons why I'm doing this. It's for my daughter. I have a 10 year old daughter that I've been in family court with for her whole life. And, I'm planning on sending in an affidavit for her also. However, last time we went into court, the judge ruled that I participate in her getting a, a passport. Although, on the passport form, and I pointed out that one of the boxes you have to check when you're signing for your child to get a passport, which is her mother was the one that was pushing for the password. I didn't want her to get one. It says that I, I agree or whatever that I'm in agreement with my child getting a passport.
And I kept telling the judge, how can you force me to perjure myself? Because I don't want her to get a passport, and you're forcing me to do it. Right? So So that was a big argument, although they they forced me to do it. But the point is my daughter does already have a passport. If I remember right, I'm sure they her mother checked off US citizen.
[02:11:26] Unknown:
So I'm just sending this affidavit in saying that she's not. Alright. So how do I proceed with that? Well, first of all, the mother never had a chance to check that she wasn't. They don't ask you that question. They make you understand what's happening and submit this paperwork to change it. They don't ask you. They're under a presumption that you already are. Of course, with your daughter, she's never answered the two questions yes. And you don't have to do this for her immediately. Although, do you have primary? You you and your wife share custody on her?
[02:11:59] Unknown:
Yeah. We have fifty fifty.
[02:12:04] Unknown:
You could, you could just file an affidavit with the state department and not and and not even get another passport for it gives us an opportunity. Well, you can and you can wait. It's not gonna affect her unless there's a potential. And let are you and your wife on good terms, your ex wife?
[02:12:25] Unknown:
No. No. And she's she's a 180 degrees opposite me. Everything I believe in and, like, this type of stuff, she's completely She's got she's a 100% brainwashed and yeah. Yeah.
[02:12:40] Unknown:
That's a yeah. She's only 10. The only potential repercussion, I don't think it affects you, either one of you, is, some kind of CPS crap. You know, child protective services, and this would protect her against that.
[02:12:57] Unknown:
That that and the we're also, in fact, I'm fixing to file a lawsuit, against her mother and her doctor because they insist on keeping her vaccinated with all these new vaccinations and the, the childhood vaccines. And, I'm I'm currently fighting that. I I I evaded it last year, but she's coming back again. And, unfortunately, the only thing where I really got dinged at in court was the mother was given the right to make medical decisions. So because I brought up stuff like this. Right? Yeah. And and and proof, you know, that these things were dangerous or whatever. But, you know, nobody wants to hear about it. Unfortunately, if if somebody has a degree and has an opinion, they override, you know, you Yeah. That has actually done the research on it. So,
[02:13:50] Unknown:
that's my next step. I I have to do this pretty quickly. Yeah. It doesn't have to be done. It, with your daughter, it doesn't have to be done today. So let's noodle on it. Let's get you on the path and get you real settled. She's only 10. Mhmm. Probably Mhmm. I I I'd say let's just put it off on the back burner for the moment and get yourself settled in, and then you wanna revisit it due. That's where the yeah. Man, what a sticky situation. Well, my my thing is,
[02:14:21] Unknown:
Roger, is that, I mean, one of the premises of this lawsuit I'm following is that my daughter has, you know, kinda using the liberal, talking points against themselves that she has a right to make decisions for herself about her own body. Right?
[02:14:36] Unknown:
Not at 10 years old. And this wouldn't this
[02:14:39] Unknown:
wouldn't this, well, that's what we're trying to fight. But, wouldn't this have, you know, kind of it it it undoes the the parent's patrick of the the doctor, like, the other person from Louisiana that was saying that, you know, when her child was trying to be held by the hospital and she she presented this affidavit and they said, you're right. We don't have authority over here. That's kinda where I'm going with this or if I'm gonna go. That that's what I would use as an example for you to aspire to. But right now, as you're so new,
[02:15:07] Unknown:
it doesn't sound like you're in danger of that stuff happening right now. What, Marca?
[02:15:13] Unknown:
Can can, Darren can reach out to me on National Status Freedom Telegram, so I can try to help them with some of that too because I help parent mothers and fathers too Right. With their children.
[02:15:27] Unknown:
And Merca's got a young daughter too. Want to reach out. You got Telegram? Are you on Telegram, Darren? Yes, sir. Three words. National status freedom. Okay. Alright. And then Merck is the, the creator and the, the the den mother of that 500 plus group over there.
[02:15:52] Unknown:
Okay. Well, welcome. If I might have people
[02:15:55] Unknown:
have always tickled to have somebody from Louisiana on with us, especially right there close to Baton Rouge. And, so
[02:16:05] Unknown:
don't feel shy. Close to Dwayne Dwayne out there, Roger?
[02:16:09] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, those about 90 miles or a 100 miles north of Dwayne. There's a few of them out there. Yeah. We've got two or three If I might have the full time There you there's that. Do what now, Brent?
[02:16:22] Unknown:
If I might have the full time, there's also the after show. We we we aren't chopped chicken liver, high yield.
[02:16:30] Unknown:
No. No. And I wasn't trying to imply that you were. We love all of you. Have you got something for Darren here? You got any Louisiana roots we don't know about, Brent?
[02:16:42] Unknown:
No. No. No. I was just saying he could stay on for the after call
[02:16:47] Unknown:
and talk to us because we're on there most of the day. Darren, the this this after show channel, sometimes these people stay on here till the damn middle of the night. Okay? So if you want to hang around and they're they're good students, they've been around here like Brent, my old friend there. And, they can answer questions for you too. Glad to have you. Thanks for stepping forward. And, don't be shy around here. You're among family now.
[02:17:18] Unknown:
Okay. I appreciate it. And how how exactly do I get in touch with Marco on Telegram?
[02:17:23] Unknown:
National, one word, status space status space freedom. National status freedom. And she monitors call her attention on the Well, she monitors it, and she'll be having to let give you permission and stuff. So you'll have that exchange with her. Okay?
[02:17:45] Unknown:
Okay. I appreciate it. Yeah. I also wanna that. Just real quick. There's there's a sample of the children's affidavit on nationalstatus.info. If you need it. Yeah. Under the affidavit, there's a drop down for child's affidavit documents builder and you can put in the appropriate information. It'll create the affidavits for you. So You know? Yeah. I've actually analyzed both of those. Okay. Good. So you're aware of that? I will say that there is some information in there that's not correct.
[02:18:16] Unknown:
Which one in which one? National Status Freedom? On the child's on the child's yeah. On the child's affidavit, the, secretary of state is wrong. And in the affidavit, it doesn't say where's that? I haven't got it on it. It doesn't say, it says being duly sworn under the penal perjury, the laws of The United States, not The United States Of America. Like, the of America isn't in there. K. Okay. Well, that that would be a nice edit. That'd be a good edit for them to do more. Yeah. I know Dave's listening because he's been posting in the chat box. So
[02:18:52] Unknown:
I'm I'm sure he'll pick up on that and and make the correction. So thank you for bringing that to our attention because sometimes things can slip through the cracks, and it's, good to have you point it out for us.
[02:19:05] Unknown:
Yeah. No problem.
[02:19:06] Unknown:
Roger? Alright. Hold on, Larry. Yes, Larry.
[02:19:13] Unknown:
Yeah. Something Darren said that was interesting, that his his wife was given, all of the, you know, the ability to make medical decisions because, I guess, he volunteered information and was speaking his opinion about what he thought about those types of, you know, practices. Yeah. And that's just a lesson to be learned because we should not be volunteering information before a judge or an officer. There's this, there's this attorney that I listen to on on YouTube. I think his last name is Judge, but he has a book out that's entitled or not entitled, but titled, I don't answer questions without an attorney.
And, the only thing that you're required to give them is is just identification and proof of insurance. Mhmm. You don't have to answer their questions. And if you're in a court, you should not be volunteering, you know, your opinions about this stuff because they're not gonna even know what you're talking about, and they're gonna deem you a sovereign citizen nut job.
[02:20:18] Unknown:
Darren, I've got a situation in the past ten years or more ago that's the exact opposite of yours. The Mhmm. Is an engineer in Huntsville, Alabama. Sharp kid. I had gone to Europe. You know, the old story, met a girl, fell in love. I don't know whether he got her pregnant over there or not. But, anyway, they got married. She moved to Huntsville. I don't remember which country. And, so then they did have the child, and the grandparents wanted to come over and be around the grandchild. And so they came over, and he was just listening to us here. And they thought he was crazy as a loon because that was when the Southern Poverty Law Center came out with their big, sovereign citizen thing, and it was being talked about and all that.
And so, he had all the medical decisions over their child. And he didn't want it to get vaccines exactly like you, but he had to say so. And so they sued him to on that aspect And in the suit now they're the moving party. Okay? So in the suit, they include he said, Roger, I think they put a copy of your book in there. Put a copy of the affidavit and and and all this information about what we were teaching here. And because they were the moving party, the court accepted it. And so now it's in it's in the proceedings. Right? And so they call him up on the stand, and he starts reading the affidavit.
Mark, have you ever heard this story? I'll bet you haven't. So he's on the stand reading the affidavit, and the judge goes, don't read that document in this courtroom.
[02:22:14] Unknown:
Oh, I didn't want it in the record. No. Although it already was.
[02:22:20] Unknown:
So, yeah, that's, I've got the experience of the opposite of your situation, Darren.
[02:22:27] Unknown:
Well, in in my lawsuit, I did bring a bunch of, unconventional, thought in terms and laws and, case law in, and and that's why I ultimately won. They knew I wasn't scared of them. I had nothing to lose. And you say you ultimately won? They didn't even know you even existed. I know. Win there? Yeah. I want the only thing they took from me, they they removed domiciliary status from mother. The only thing they did was gave her, decisions ultimate decisions over medical decisions, which they you know, they were arguing that somebody has to have ultimate decision. Right? So they gave me they gave me decisions over other not not so it was important stuff. You know? But, yeah, I won and then they appealed. And, I went to appellate court, and I represented myself there as well. And I won the appellate court. Man. Congratulations.
[02:23:24] Unknown:
Yeah. It's impressive. That's a lot of work to write in an appellate brief. I know I've written several.
[02:23:30] Unknown:
Man. Well, Darren, welcome to the family. We're glad to meet you. Nice to have a a homeboy down there. Another one. There's about four about four guys from Louisiana, Dwayne in, in New Orleans, in in Baron and Byron. And I don't remember which one. One of them lives up in Monroe, and the other one's down around you in the boot, I think. We hadn't heard from them. Yeah. Well, we hadn't heard from them in a while, but Merkur can put you in touch with them. Sure. That'd be great. Okay. It's always nice it's nice to have somebody that you like to find in your area. So good. That's why I asked you where you're from so that the if there's somebody there in their area, I'll bird dog you to them. Okay. Bruce, I heard, and there's a female before Bruce. Females for was there. Me. Is that me?
Oh, the mermaid. Yes. Hi. Hello.
[02:24:28] Unknown:
Good to hear you, Darren. Yeah. I just tuned in. I was, I guess guided to, listen in. And when you said about, the, affidavit and what were you were saying about the secretary of state? What was wrong?
[02:24:43] Unknown:
When I'm sorry, my name what exactly is on that?
[02:24:47] Unknown:
You said on the affidavit the example in the,
[02:24:50] Unknown:
I said it's not info. Is that the So on the on the child's on the child, version, the the it doesn't say Marco Rubio. It was the previous secretary of state. Yeah. Well, you can fix that. You know? But that's just an update. You also reference just sit hold on, Martin. Also,
[02:25:07] Unknown:
just use the within jurat instead of the without jurat. A nice edit would be to put of America in there. K? So that's the two things he was saying.
[02:25:19] Unknown:
Okay. And, in that declaration, you read, something else in there. There's a one sentence. We always talk about the one sentence, but I think I'm the only one that has turned in the one sentence. You don't add on to it anything. You don't have to put about the laws. All you have to put is I, and your name, declare my intention to be a national and not a citizen of The United States. All you need. Period. You can add it. Okay. You can add America if you want on there, but and,
[02:25:49] Unknown:
oh, I being the most born. But I No. You're not. No. No. America is what you're trying to move into, not what you're trying to get out of.
[02:25:58] Unknown:
Okay. So leave it how they have it. This is a sentence they have on on their own website. But I I think I forgot their, I, my name, being duly sworn. I re I took that part out and put in being affirmed by God. So that's my one sentence. Yeah. It doesn't necessarily
[02:26:17] Unknown:
what you say as long as you rebut the presumption. That's what you gotta accomplish. You see? Right. See, they can't rebut that.
[02:26:26] Unknown:
That's what I'm saying. Before you add in there, it's important for them to rebut. That's why you don't wanna put in your belt. This law and that law and the fourteenth amendment and a little bit back. Well, my shameful affidavit leaves very little wiggle room. It expands on that. But it also adds a second paragraph
[02:26:44] Unknown:
specifically for IRS. And that that's what most people wanna get rid of. Okay? So that's why there's a method to the madness on everything we do here.
[02:26:57] Unknown:
Yeah. But there that can be separate steps too. Initially, that one sentence in particular is what's necessary. I'm just saying you don't have to add any other Yeah. Decorative stuff to it. But Just that. I Good. Your name. Yeah. Being affirmed by God, declared my intention to be a national and not a citizen. Certainly, the simple you keep it, the better. K? The more information
[02:27:22] Unknown:
you put forward, the more instances you give somebody to, confront you on it. Simpler the better. Exactly.
[02:27:31] Unknown:
And that's that's their wording except for being duly sworn, which we're not supposed to do, and I put being affirmed by God. So I just wanna make sure because, you get new people in here, and I just want them to know that you do have that alternative.
[02:27:45] Unknown:
Yes. Thank you, Murr. Okay, Darren. You got anything else? I'm gonna go hustle off here and watch this season's first football game. I forgot about our buddy, Bruce. I'm I stay corrected. Bruce, what do you got? Thank you, Roger.
[02:28:01] Unknown:
Just wanna let him know. I went to Louisiana Tech and got a art degree, graphic design degree, and a photography degree. Yeah. That's one of those northern schools.
[02:28:12] Unknown:
Yep.
[02:28:13] Unknown:
Way up north. The first control engineering school. Yes. It's way up north around Ruston. Yeah. It is Ruston. I know. I know. Okay. It's okay. Thank you, Bruce. Alright. Pastor, just to let you know you got a bunch of homeboys around here. Okay?
[02:28:33] Unknown:
Yeah. You're right.
[02:28:35] Unknown:
Good. Can there is that Dwayne? No. This is Sketch. Oh, I thought it was Dwayne for a second. Hey, Sketch. You got a Louisiana type sketch?
[02:28:46] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. You're right. I lived in New Orleans on the West Bank for about, three well, when I was young, very young. Went, five five, six years. Yeah.
[02:29:01] Unknown:
Okay. No. A very, an enchanting city. It used to be New Orleans. Did you see where they erect arrested the mayor and her chief of her security staff recently? What about that? Darren, do you hear about you heard about that. I'm sure she's in New Orleans. Right? I sure did. Yep. They they arrested her. They didn't just charge her. They arrested her, didn't they?
[02:29:25] Unknown:
Yes. As far as I know. Yeah. It's about time. Fantastic.
[02:29:28] Unknown:
Roger, I got one other thing to talk about. Alright, Bruce.
[02:29:32] Unknown:
Hey, Roger. I gotta go. I gotta go. Mark, I'm right behind you. Thanks, buddy. Glad to have you on. Okay. You're welcome. Bye bye. Alright. Ciao. I'm in Abbevillion,
[02:29:41] Unknown:
and you got an Abbeville City down at the foot of the of the, bay there. Abbeville, they've got two squares. We have one square in South Carolina. That's where I'm from. But there's an Abbeville, Louisiana.
[02:29:55] Unknown:
Yeah. I think that's right. Probably down there around Lake Pontchartrain.
[02:30:01] Unknown:
Right in the middle of the boot.
[02:30:03] Unknown:
Yeah. Down there around Lake Pontchartrain. Yeah. Okay. Cool. Alright. Anybody else? Well, they would the Huguenots wouldn't have been moving to Louisiana because that's where the French were that were persecuting them.
[02:30:20] Unknown:
Yeah. Roger, I The king the king gave them refuge in his territory. Okay. The Catholics were persecuting us.
[02:30:31] Unknown:
Of course. Okay. Who Sketch, was that you?
[02:30:37] Unknown:
Roger. I also lived on Right. Yeah. I I also lived on Lake Pontchartrain, and I wanted to you started there was conversation about Cracker Barrel. If you look at the new logo, it's a swash hexagram, and, you know what kind of star if it's in a hexagram.
[02:30:52] Unknown:
Damn. Well, I'm sorry. Kosher. Cracker Barrel. Oh, oh, yeah. Well, we need a Cracker Barrel Kosher for sure. Gah. Damn these damn BlackRock son of a gun. So, Darren, welcome. We'll look forward to more questions and conversation with you. Yep. And, so feel free to join us often. Okay? Yes, Larry. So so what?
[02:31:16] Unknown:
Hold on. Yeah. I was just gonna say, you haven't you said in the past that you could use the within or the without on a declaration? Either one of them would work. Prefer
[02:31:28] Unknown:
but what's that? Either one of them would work.
[02:31:32] Unknown:
Do you think, it's more preferable to include America, because you're dealing with a child?
[02:31:37] Unknown:
No. I think it's more preferable to use of America because you're dealing from without the federal government instead of within. It's just a little little persnickety thing on on my end. But, yes, I would always use the without JURAD because it's talking about with the without their political, jurisdiction. It's not physical. It's political. Okay?
[02:32:06] Unknown:
Alright. Roger.
[02:32:08] Unknown:
Yes, Joan. Thank you, Roger. Thank you. Thank you, Boris. I can't get away. Yes, Joan.
[02:32:14] Unknown:
If Darren has a affidavit affidavit for his daughter, of of of national, status, then can she say if if she has that, can she then say I don't want any vaccine? Or that's and does that override her mind?
[02:32:33] Unknown:
Well, I think she'd still be because she isn't an age of majority under someone's, authority. Now at 10 years old, they just don't let the 10 year olds go do that kind of stuff. K? So anybody else got something for me?
[02:32:52] Unknown:
Yes, Robert. Roger. This is Shane.
[02:32:56] Unknown:
Okay, Shane. Hey, man.
[02:32:59] Unknown:
Hey. I I'm still chasing the same tail.
[02:33:04] Unknown:
Okay. We're glad to get my Well, we hadn't forgot about it. We're working on it. Okay?
[02:33:10] Unknown:
Oh, well, no.
[02:33:13] Unknown:
I don't know. Maybe I wanna add to it. Well, I don't know how much more you do then. We're working on it, Shane. Crap. Ain't like I got a hey, Shane. It ain't like I got a full staff around here. Okay?
[02:33:27] Unknown:
Alright. Alright. So, no, I was gonna talk about my, cryptocurrencies,
[02:33:32] Unknown:
which was No. Stoned from me twenty years ago. So Well, in that case, I'm leaving because you ain't never gonna get anything like that back. So quit your chasing a pipe dream. Put your attention to more productive things. Paul, are you still with us? Are you chasing machines or what?
[02:33:50] Unknown:
No. I'm still with us. Okay. Well,
[02:33:54] Unknown:
get get a hold of me, and let's figure out something on this damn thing and get it set up, please. Okay? If we can.
[02:34:01] Unknown:
Yeah. Okay. Okay. Alright. Thank you. Alright.
[02:34:05] Unknown:
Alright. Just get a hold of me. I'm gonna be home. Okay?
[02:34:08] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:34:09] Unknown:
Alright. See y'all later. Darren, welcome. We'll see you on Monday with well, John may be there this week. We'll see. Okay? Ciao. Love all of you. Have a great abbreviated weekend. Thank you, Rodney. Okay. You're more than welcome. Ciao.
[02:34:27] Unknown:
Goodbye. Go where you go wrong. I have a question, you know. If we have the fifth amendment and the fourth amendment, why when the police stop you, you incriminate yourself giving them paperwork that they could use against you in a court of law? Why you don't stay quiet, don't give them nothing, and invoke your rights? I think that's one of the problems. The we start giving them paperwork and start talking, opening our mouths, and we don't stay quiet. And they take advantage of that. Are you?
[02:35:17] Unknown:
Social intercourse. CEO. Right. Social intercourse becomes commercial intercourse. Sorry, Sketch, for stopping on you.
[02:35:29] Unknown:
No worries. Go ahead.
[02:35:31] Unknown:
You are not under commerce.
[02:35:35] Unknown:
Well, they're gonna presume you in. In fact, it was interesting. I I I had thought about it. I finally saw somebody actually named Pope Francis on their UCC. One statement or three statement thing. I got a I sent a, print of that to Sheldon. So I've I've got a follow-up with the guy from 2021
[02:35:53] Unknown:
or 2023, something like that, see what see whatever became of that.
[02:36:00] Unknown:
Boy, there is a guy that says, am I arrest under arrest, or am I free to go? And when they say, no. You're not free to go. Well, then I'm on arrest. Bring me my Miranda rights. And once they read the Miranda rights, he doesn't give them anything because,
[02:36:14] Unknown:
you know, Miranda He got the right to stay quiet and the right not to incriminate himself. If he give them paperwork, he's already incriminating himself because that paperwork they're gonna use in court. Yeah. But we don't we don't use our rights because we we we give them paperwork and we give them everything that they ask us because we are scared to go to jail. But we have to think about protecting our rights. If we don't flex our muscles, they're gonna keep doing that to us because the first thing you do is give them their license and registration and that's it. They got proof that you are on the commerce because you don't stay quiet and you help them to mess your life.
[02:37:02] Unknown:
You can't on the affidavit. That's all over the case right there. They can't go any further.
[02:37:12] Unknown:
Mark did put a challenge out today in the chat. It says, Saul, you right to travel folks. Please provide a case that overcomes Hendrick and versus Maryland. So that one's, I guess, a right to travel negative case, and it needs to be overcome, supposedly.
[02:37:41] Unknown:
I have a comment.
[02:37:44] Unknown:
Go ahead. What do you know?
[02:37:47] Unknown:
Any of you guys familiar with the the video of Sean in South Carolina? Him and his wife are open. He had to stop, and he goes on the paperwork, tells him to call. And at the point where the after giving the third police officer, the dirty cop comes up and talks to his other deputies probably. And he's they they insist that he gets out of the car. He says he won't get out of the car, and he'll defend himself. So, obviously, they smashed the window, and that's where the video ends. But his name is Sean. It said the video is on Paul's website, docs that expose the matrix under recents, and, talked about so the other guy that was talking about don't say nothing.
If am I am I being detained or am I free to go? You're being detained. Well, then I'm under arrest. Please read me my Miranda rights. I I think most of the time, they're gonna be they're gonna arrest you, and you're gonna have to go to jail. But is anybody familiar with that guy Sean and the status of him? The video is labeled 08/19/2024, m p four. So
[02:39:18] Unknown:
You can accept anything. Yeah. You can accept anything upon proof of claim. You know? So just accept everything they give you and then send it back to them upon proof of claim. You know, are you who's bringing the claim? And ask it again. Is there another person you know that's bringing the claim? That'd be the second witness in the bottle.
[02:39:41] Unknown:
We're talking about a traffic stop situation. You're sitting in your car. You've got your window down four inches, five inches. They keep asking you, would you mind stepping out of the car and come talk to us? And you sit there, whatever. He's telling them that he's a national and he's under foreign status. He's he's not a citizen. So you gotta be prepared to go to jail because they're not gonna let you go, then they're gonna be taking care of them.
[02:40:11] Unknown:
Yeah. The most they could hold you would be $72, I guess.
[02:40:15] Unknown:
Yep. So you have to That's the problem. That's
[02:40:18] Unknown:
the problem. People have to make them accountable when they take you to jail and you have to pay for the card, you know, because you're not under the jurisdiction. You have to, you know, they have to pay you for your car. But the problem is people are not willing to go to jail and go through that process. You know, like, the the police gonna take you to jail if you don't give them your paperwork. Or if you tell them that you are an astronaut and give them your passport, they gonna take you to jail. But people are not willing to go through that process, and they don't know. Most of them don't know how to go through the process. They go to court and all that.
Because people just learn one thing, that they got the right to travel. And that's the only thing they learn. And they wanna travel, but they don't know how to defend that right. Because we are dealing with people that they don't care about your right. The police don't care. They just don't care because he just want money. And the police just want to be the the bully in the street. Like, what I say is what it goes.
[02:41:35] Unknown:
Well, you're a 100% correct on all of that. I was just wondering if any of you guys remember Sean and and watched that video.
[02:41:45] Unknown:
Did you get it is this Victor? Yes. It is. Did you get her e his email by any chance through anybody here?
[02:41:54] Unknown:
Yeah. That one lady that goes by j w or something gave it to me yesterday. Okay. [email protected].
[02:42:04] Unknown:
Yeah. So you might email him to find out what happened. We don't know. He he showed up for a while. Yeah. He showed up for a while and then disappeared.
[02:42:14] Unknown:
Well, I already sent him two emails with links to the video. So I don't know if it's something that was accurate me.
[02:42:22] Unknown:
Something that I found very something that I found very telling was John's story, the farmer guy who had inherited the big farm, I guess, in Indiana. He had he had night and day differences, and he thinks it's because finally he got the, notices to the right people. But he had experience where they, you know, illegally really pulled him over, arrested him and tore his car apart. And then situations where they treat him with kid gloves, very polite, and let him go even if he's over a 100 miles an hour on the freeway. So
[02:43:02] Unknown:
Yeah. Because that's the problem, Skerge, that people don't they are not willing to go through that process, you know. These people are ignorant like we was before. They don't know that we are nationals or The US citizens are slaves. They don't know that. They just think that when they stop you, you hit the red light, we give you a ticket. You hit the stop sign, we give you a ticket. They don't know better. You know? They've been indoctrinated like all of us.
[02:43:33] Unknown:
Well, I'm fairly new to this information about two years now, and I just got done doing my state attorney general notice letter. And that's about ready to go out, and then all the other notices are gonna go out. So I'm at that point now where I'm just about ready to be done with the notices and then the whole IRS learning experience. But beyond that, it really got me thinking because of all the codes that he mentioned to this guy, Sean, title 18 section subsection 31, what a motor vehicle is defined as specifically. And I realize that I don't know shit, obviously, but I wanted to get your take on the exact same situation, what you would do differently. Because his biggest thing was he had a concealed weapon on his waistband, and he said, I will defend myself.
Then the police officer said, we're gonna remove you out of the car, which is a big stupid thing. So I yield on that.
[02:44:43] Unknown:
Hey. To the student that's looking for information about Sean, Paul has a couple of recordings where he talked about that whole incident, so you may wanna get with Paul Beaner and ask him about it. I think he posted them in the archive somewhere. There's a couple of times he came on the after show. One time is he spent, like, a whole thirty minutes talking about everything, so that'll give you some information. And one of the things he did that a lot of us don't agree with is he's telling the police officers he's a foreign national. He's presenting his passport, and he's saying I am a foreign national. Now that is a misrepresentation because we're not foreign nothing.
We we are American nationals. If you need to identify yourself as a national, you should say you're an American national. And another thing he did that I disagree with is he would attempt to argue his case on the side of a road. Roger has always discouraged all of us from doing that. That's very dangerous. I listened to this, attorney pretty regularly on YouTube, and his last name is Judge. He has a book out called, I don't ask I don't answer questions without an attorney. He said, you use those seven words every time the officer asks you a question.
You say that you say those seven words back, and you wanna argue everything in court. And, so, you know, Sean would present all of this information and statutes and things like that. These cops have no idea what you're talking about, and that is just gonna further escalate the the traffic stop, in my opinion. So it's better not to say anything to to just remain silent and let the cop know if, you know, if he asks, is this your identification? Well, do I need to answer that question?
[02:46:50] Unknown:
You know, every but he's got You shouldn't give nothing to the police. Nothing. Nothing. Not even your ID.
[02:46:58] Unknown:
There okay. There are some states that, require you to identify yourself. So what are you gonna do? If you don't identify yourself with a traffic stop, then they can take you to to the jailhouse.
[02:47:12] Unknown:
Do do you really wanna go through all that? Now, John Garland came on the show. The problem. People are not willing to face the muscle, but they want rights, but they're not freedom is not free. You have to flex your muscle.
[02:47:26] Unknown:
John Garland came on the show the one day. I don't know if you're listening, Bory, listening when he came on. And he he believes he figured out a way a work around with, presenting your license,
[02:47:38] Unknown:
your driver's license to a car. Don't answer questions and don't give them nothing. That's it.
[02:47:44] Unknown:
No. No. John Garland, do were you were you listening when he came on the air and was telling you telling him, the audience about his situations with traffic stops?
[02:47:54] Unknown:
Hey, Larry. Why do you have to put the guy's name out there? We already know who he is. Don't put his name out there. You're drawing a great big target on his back, and don't do it with anyone else.
[02:48:10] Unknown:
What do you mean? He's he already identified himself when he comes on the show. Well, well, you don't need to go and put it out there.
[02:48:18] Unknown:
Use your head.
[02:48:21] Unknown:
Excuse me. I'm just explaining the situation. He's already identified himself. You could you could just hey.
[02:48:29] Unknown:
Do as you're told. Don't throw his name out there.
[02:48:36] Unknown:
Furthering I don't wanna get burned, but anyway,
[02:48:40] Unknown:
this individual notified the fusion, the state fusion center, and various law enforcement agencies, And he said that he put his driver's license number, his passport numbers, I believe his plates, his plate numbers on the notices. That way everything is tied together in that system, along with a copy of his affidavit that he's a that he's a national, and that ties everything together. And that way, if a traffic cop looks up that information in that database system, which is connected with the department of justice. It's a shared database system between the federal and the states, and even local law enforcement, that they will see that you're a national, and they will more than likely just hand you your license back and say have a nice day because they realize they don't have jurisdiction, and there's probably some type of identifier, that says do not detain.
[02:49:46] Unknown:
Could you repeat where he puts that in could you repeat where he puts that information? Could you repeat where he puts that information on his another affidavit or what? No. No. You The driver's license number. It's just like it's just like your local notices.
[02:50:03] Unknown:
You you wanna you wanna include the attorney you wanna include the attorney general, your sheriff, all the counties that you travel through or drive through, whether it's it's one state or multiple states, if you're if you're, traveling through these states on a constant basis, then you wanna notify the counties, the county officials in those states, the law enforcement, and, some some counties have sheriff's and police departments, a police chief, some don't. So you're gonna have to, you know, do your research, and then you wanna include the the fusion center, the DMV of your state, and you wanna tie them all together through the law of agency.
So this individual did this, and he has had really good success.
[02:50:56] Unknown:
Well, I just got done spending two whole days looking up all these names and addresses of all police officers in all the counties I'm gonna be traveling through in the shares and the prosecuting attorneys, on and on. And it got me to thinking about also doing the state of Alaska where I live most of my life at the same time. And I was wondering, does it matter if I'm not if I'm not actually living or whatever the proper term is in the state of Alaska? Alaska, notify all those guys also. Not only Washington state, but Alaska.
[02:51:33] Unknown:
Victor, you can put Alaska on notice. You don't have to be domiciled where you're noticing. That's perfectly fine. And, Larry, you can try on the fog line. I've done it. It takes facts. It takes a backbone. It takes the knowledge to know how to go against these foes. Takes practice. You have to know in your skull and your skull that you're right and correct. But you take a lot to do that, and a lot of people don't wanna do that. It's easier to acquiesce. You've got a pocketbook so they're willing to use it. I stand behind my card. I stood firm. He got it. I'm done.
[02:52:16] Unknown:
Yeah. I would never say that, I'm not saying anything until I have an attorney. That's jurisdictional. Jurisdictional right there. You put yourself in jurisdiction. You'd wanna say something like counsel because you can take your own counsel. It may not be great counsel, but, you know,
[02:52:32] Unknown:
if you get an attorney Say nothing. You got the right to stay quiet no
[02:52:37] Unknown:
intimidate yourself. Why do you always talk over people
[02:52:41] Unknown:
for peace? Because you you that's the problem with people. People talk too much. And they don't they don't they don't I'm saying They say I can write, but they don't I'm rejected by what you're saying. Saying for a reason because it's just gonna get you in trouble. Saying nothing is fine, boy. That's not probably Oh, I'm gonna be in trouble. I'm gonna be in trouble. Is bullshit. Life is trouble. Here because you're disrespectful. Frick. Life is trouble, Sketch.
[02:53:11] Unknown:
No. That's not Sketch. But, I will say this. I think
[02:53:18] Unknown:
I have a question for the board.
[02:53:20] Unknown:
I think Robert Roger has said that it might be a good idea to notify the governor.
[02:53:28] Unknown:
And I did.
[02:53:30] Unknown:
Yep. Yes. Yeah. Okay. I I just wanted to point that out. Thank you.
[02:53:36] Unknown:
I was actually also thinking about my experience in Puyallup, Washington going to a sportsman's warehouse. And if you wanna purchase a firearm there, they make you do a online hunter's education first first. And then when I presented my affidavit to them, their their process is they have to call the ATF first. And I was declined telling me that I have to get a non something visa, nonimmigrant visa. Just so what I was getting at is not only notifying your state attorney general, secretary of state, IRS, but also ATF, FBI, all those guys, anybody that you might wanna especially purchasing a firearm.
I know that you can do it at a gun show. I know all of that. But I just wanted to do the test or what you people think if the ATF had your affidavit on file. I yield.
[02:54:52] Unknown:
You know, we're taking it for granted that when we turn in when we file that citizenship affidavit, regardless of whether we're filing it with the United States Department of State, with our state attorney generals, and we're cc'ing it to all the lower agencies. We're taking it for granted that they're doing that for us. We don't know if they're cc'ing it to all the law enforcement officers or to the agencies, to the police agency, to my local my city, mayor and council members. We don't know if the Department of State in Washington is cc'ing that to all them agencies that we we, ask them to. We don't know that when we turn in those, cover letters to the IRS, which I did. I did to my attorney general at the state.
I did to the when I turned in my citizenship affidavit at the Department of State in Washington DC, I put down their cc to all agencies pertaining to this agency, United States Department of I don't know if they see to all the lower agents or to the lower agents of the IRS or to the lower agents of the revenue code or to the lower agents of mine, state police, sheriff, whatever. Unless I'm going for your request that.
[02:56:23] Unknown:
DC is incumbent on you.
[02:56:27] Unknown:
Exactly. But when I put it on there and ask them to cc it to all their to the emergency officer, to the hospitals, to the coroner, cc'd I don't know if they did it for me. So now I had to take it upon myself to make sure that I go to my local sheriff, which I'm fixing to do. I'm gonna make another cover letter to my local sheriff. I'm gonna CC him. I'm gonna go over there and Okay. Foyer request his oath and affirmation, and I'm gonna make another cover letter and take it to my mayor and have him because even though I asked the attorney general, and then I'm gonna make another one and take it to my district attorney and give it to him to make sure they get this that I am a US national. And then also, I'm gonna make copies of 8FAM505.2Dash10, which is a passport endorsement.
I'm gonna make a copy of that. I'm gonna make a copy of my passport card, put all that in that file when I hand it over to them. And then I'm gonna write a affidavit stating that I did this for each one of these local yayhus that think they have authority over me. And then I'm gonna do it to the state where I was born. Alright. When I got my passport card, I live in Carlsbad, New Mexico, and I've been living in Carlsbad, New Mexico for the past forty something years, forty plus years. But when I got my passport card, it doesn't have anything about me living in Carlsbad, New Mexico. It has and that's all I use now. And I'm gonna turn get rid of my driver's license. I'm gonna get rid of my, Social Security card.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna get rid what do they call that? Revocate revocate, not replicate. But, anyway, I'm gonna turn all this stuff in. Revocation and revelation? Yes. I'm gonna which I've already turned that in. But what I should've done is to make sure there's a different document. I can't remember what it was. But, anyway, when I copy all this stuff, 8FAM505.2, 10 is my passport endorsement, that O9 that Roger's always talking about, is on my passport card O9 designation. And that and that form, that 8FAM505.2Dash10 states, the O nine endorsement states that I am a US national and not a citizen of The United States on their own policy paper. I'm gonna copy that off of their website, put it in with all my paperwork, and then hand it into the sheriff, to the city police officer, to the mayor to make sure that it gets cc'd because I can't trust my state attorney general to CC any of that stuff to the lower agents.
I cannot trust even the United States attorney general because I called him already, and he said, oh, we don't we don't handle that. You have to get with your local state. What do you mean you don't handle that? They're a but anyway alright? They don't handle those type of cases because now I have to go to my state attorney general, which is a crooked piece of Mexican anyway. Yeah. I'm just saying. But if I don't do that upon take it upon myself to make sure that these documents are turned in, nobody's gonna know that I am a US national under the certificate of noncitizen nationality document.
Are you?
[03:00:48] Unknown:
Make many copies of that passport card. Do Make many Make many, many copies. I've already lost my original. It's in the building somewhere. Of the six copies I've made, I still don't know where three of them are. I'm done.
[03:01:09] Unknown:
Blessings,
[03:01:12] Unknown:
Make copies of the affidavit too.
[03:01:16] Unknown:
Thank you, Sketch.
[03:01:28] Unknown:
Can somebody please, post the case, that, Mirka posted in the chat room? I wasn't in chat at the time. If somebody could post that again for me, I'd greatly appreciate it. I yield.
[03:02:04] Unknown:
Julie, are are you talking about the case that Mark put in, about traveling?
[03:02:12] Unknown:
I can't remember if it was Mark or Mark that had something to do with, traveling or driving, I think. It was Mark.
[03:02:19] Unknown:
Yeah. It was Mark that said, it was a challenge. All you rights to travel folks, please provide a case that overcomes Hendrick versus Maryland.
[03:02:29] Unknown:
And I'll I'll and I'll be glad.
[03:02:32] Unknown:
And I can put a scholar link in the chat if you need it. Yeah, please. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
[03:02:38] Unknown:
If you look in numeral two radioranch.tatango.com, I believe Mark put it in there also.
[03:02:44] Unknown:
Oh, thanks. Thanks, Mara.
[03:02:48] Unknown:
Murrah, I used them once those two. Clean, succinct, exact. Don't feel exclusive.
[03:02:57] Unknown:
Have a good Sabbath, hon. Oh, I'm glad you did. I never hear anybody else say, Roger always says they only need one sentence, but then they add all this embellishment to it. You don't need any embellishment. Just use their words. I did change it to affirm being affirmed by god rather than duly sworn because that just makes more sense.
[03:03:17] Unknown:
I preach that too, and you know what? It just doesn't work, does it? I'm done.
[03:03:33] Unknown:
Oh, by the way, each of us are exclusive. We're unique. I yield.
[03:03:42] Unknown:
Thank you.
[03:04:50] Unknown:
I'd like to make a cap. Go ahead. Thanks.
[03:04:55] Unknown:
Yeah. That was Boris that was saying that he's gonna get rid of all of his driver's license, Social Security card, all that stuff. Is that correct? Alright. I get I yield. I'm out of here.
[03:05:23] Unknown:
I was gonna say we are all individual jewels, and we reflect on each other.
[03:09:56] Unknown:
I have posed a question to you.
[03:10:07] Unknown:
Most of the who?
[03:10:13] Unknown:
Herb.
[03:12:16] Unknown:
Hey, Sheldon. What was your one sentence? I'm busy doing a couple other things here.
Introduction and Host Welcome
College Football and Cultural Commentary
Private Equity and Economic Concerns
Debt-Based Economy and Financial Strategies
Gold, Silver, and Economic Security
National Status and Legal Implications
Police Officers and National Status
Passport Application and Nationality Declaration
Listener Questions and Community Interaction
