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Today I opened the lines without our usual intro—and without Paul in the cockpit—so I took a few minutes to share how he became such an integral part of this community after my bumpy multi‑part interview on Sarah Westall’s show years ago. From there we dove deep into how American law actually gets made and then applied: bills moving through the House and Senate, signatures and vetoes, the Statutes at Large, and how portions become the U.S. Code—sometimes as positive law and sometimes not. We spent most of the session on the administrative state: the Administrative Procedure Act, the Federal Register, and the three kinds of regulations (statements of policy, interpretive rules, and substantive “notice‑and‑comment” rules), with examples like CDC masking and TSA directives. We also looked at the IRS through 26 CFR §1.1‑1 and the eCFR, and contrasted all of this with older legal traditions (Roman civil law and the merchant code) to show how “remedy” and process actually operate. Along the way, callers raised questions about courts of appeals and precedent, the Library of Congress and federal depositories, positive vs. non‑positive law, and how to research a regulation’s history in the Federal Register. If you’re new, this is a concentrated primer you can replay, take notes on, and use to orient your future research.

From Bills to Bureaucracy: How Law Really Hits Your Life
Statutes, Codes, and the CFR: A Field Guide to the Administrative State 
Notice and Comment 101: Understanding the Rules that Rule You
Positive Law, Policy, and the IRS: A Practical Tour for Citizens
From Rome to the eCFR: Remedies, Regulations, and Reality
 

• 'How Our Laws Are Made' (official House document via GPO): https://www.govinfo.gov/app/details/CDOC-110hdoc49
• United States Code (Office of the Law Revision Counsel): https://uscode.house.gov/
• Code of Federal Regulations / eCFR (Office of the Federal Register & NARA): https://www.ecfr.gov/
• Federal Register (learn page on the rulemaking process): https://www.federalregister.gov/learn
• Administrative Procedure Act (5 U.S.C. §§ 551–559, OLRC): https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title5-chapter5-subchapter2
• 26 CFR § 1.1-1 — Income tax on individuals (eCFR): https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-26/section-1.1-1
• United States Courts — Structure and the Courts of Appeals: https://www.uscourts.gov/about-federal-courts/court-role-and-structure
• Library of Congress (research portal): https://www.loc.gov/
• Administrative Conference of the United States (ACUS): https://www.acus.gov/
• Uniform Commercial Code (Uniform Law Commission overview): https://www.uniformlaws.org/acts/ucc
• Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC): https://www.cdc.gov/
• Transportation Security Administration (TSA): https://www.tsa.gov/
• Sarah Westall — Official site: https://sarahwestall.com/
• Jeff Rense — Official site: https://rense.com/
• Schoolhouse Rock! — "I’m Just a Bill" (official video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFroMQlKiag

[00:03:23] Unknown:

Alright. Is   anybody there? I thought I heard somebody.  

[00:03:28] Unknown:

Good morning.   Hey. There's Jeff. Yes? Hey. Hey.  

[00:03:33] Unknown:

One of our gals.   Okay. Give me a second here.   A A little behind in my work today, and, of course, it's unusual because   I don't ever remember a a show in the last few years without Paul here, guiding us with his technical   wizardry.   So,   I got behind a little bit in my work here this morning,   listening and gazing at the lovely Brianna.   So we got no music.   We got no Paul.   I guess he's probably hopefully, he's got that beast started and   started his return trip to whatever county he's living in there.   So good morning. So how many folks we got on here today?   Just Jeff and our lady?  



[00:04:32] Unknown:

Nope. So far, 26, but they usually come in   here in the first half hour. Yeah. They dribble in. Okay.   Yep. We're up to 27 now.  

[00:04:44] Unknown:

It's kind of unusual   not having all the, intro stuff and, you know, all Paul's,   as I term it, wizardry and everything.   So, we know we can let him know tomorrow how much we missed him.  

[00:04:58] Unknown:

But we still do have his wizardry happening because we are Yeah. So absolutely. Captured right in. Zoom's open.  

[00:05:05] Unknown:

You guys are there.   And I I don't know where we'd be without Paul to try   and blow him up a little bit while he's not here.   Paul came in the onslaught for those of you who may be new.   How many years ago? Two, three years ago, friend of mine, Steve. I've talked about my friend Steve before.   One of my oldest friends, actually,   continuously.   And, we talk, I don't know, once every week or two, three, something like that. He's up in   Winston Salem, North Carolina.   I think I told y'all the story about Paul Revere rides again, which was his   accomplishment   so many years ago.  

Anyway,   Steve   hooked me up with subscribe to. He likes to give money to Patriot folks, and   he, subscribed to Sarah Westall.   And so, he was communicating with Sarah and said you need to get my friend Roger on.   Well, that's how we got on Sarah Westall. So   as I've said before, you know, it's a cup a couple years ago, and   it it for me, personally, professionally, it's the the worst interview I believe I've ever done.   Because Sarah, I made the mistake of telling her right before we started, that I like conversational   interviews.  

Well, boy, she took me literally. K?   And,   so I was with this information, as you guys know,   you need somewhat of a continuous consciousness stream of the listener.   Well, Sarah was constantly   interrupting me.   And, she split it into, I guess, four different shows.   And it was that four show that Paul heard. Hello. Good morning.   It was the fourth show that the third show.   Oh, third. Okay. Yeah. Anyways, the last of the however she segmented it up, and Paul got it right off of that even with all the interruptions   and that,   right after that aired,   I got the biggest response   from that of any interview I've ever done. And I mean, bar none, no comparison.  

Hell, do an interview with Jeff Rents two nights and not get one call. I stayed up the entire night because I didn't have a website yet with all this info on it. That's Paul.   I stayed up one entire night with no sleep answering emails with information.   And, that's when Paul came on the scene. He said, let me throw this, website together here. We'll take care of that.   And that's why the website is somewhat   not consistent. It's not really well thought out because it was thrown up as a necessity.   Okay?   And we know it needs to be redone. It could be hyper,   organized a lot better,   But we do everything around here on a, you know, open hand. So if somebody wants to help doing that, that's great. We've talked about it. But then   but then for instance, Mark's parents both get sick. Now he's totally obligated on the back side. He was one of   those motivators. So, anyway, we'll get there.  

But, that's where Paul came from and came in here and   immediately saw the message. We don't pay him anything. Y'all, we contribute   to   got some contribution links for folks that wanna contribute to what we do here and help us improve that. But we got no. We don't sell your ears.   I don't have, you know, all these Patriot sponsors on here, although their products may be very good, and they may be very worthwhile.   And and some of you may not know about them, but I don't like selling your ears. I wanna fill your ears with my stuff,   this research stuff that that you can't find anywhere else, that we don't ever wanna die.  

Because they came close to shutting it down, folks.   If they would've if it wouldn't have been I hate to blow my own horn. I'm not good at that. But if it wouldn't have been for my interest and absolute dedication   And, then I got just, sucked into this, and I couldn't let it go. It wouldn't let me go, and I couldn't get out of it.   I'd try and give it to other people, say, look what's going on here to, you know, show you that they couldn't understand it. So,   it got to a point where I said, okay. Well, I guess you want me to do this, and I'm gonna follow your lead. Here we are. But that's the part Paul plays. He's just gotten   you know, I consider us a big family,   and Paul's fallen right into that. He's over there helping   Paul English, and they're they're both on the same technical level. They both understand all that and can communicate on that level. And, well, Paul's just become part of the family, an integral part of the family. And, today is the first day we've been without him   in a couple of years. And,   so I feel it. I don't know if you will do. Hello? Hello? He's here.  



[00:10:02] Unknown:

Yeah. That's that's cool.  

[00:10:05] Unknown:

Well, hell, you weren't supposed to hear all that.  

[00:10:08] Unknown:

I know I wasn't supposed to hear all that, but I did, and I'm not giving it back.   And I just So I just called   I I I figured out a way to remote   control the computers at home from my cell phone, but I can't remote control them and talk at the same time   because I got a crappy phone. I just wanted to say good morning and let you know that all the streams are up and everybody's happy happy and all that. So  

[00:10:34] Unknown:

Alright. Okay. Will you go back and pay have you got the bus on the road now?  

[00:10:39] Unknown:

No. We're still on the way there. It'll be there in about five minutes.  

[00:10:43] Unknown:

Okay. Well, listen. You go pay attention to that, and that's a priority. Let's get that done out of the way, and   and, we'll we'll look forward to you tomorrow. So thanks for Talk good. Setting this up. It was seamless, and, I didn't expect to talk to you this morning. But,   anyway, go get your stuff done and, thank you for all that you do.  

[00:11:05] Unknown:

Oh, thank you, Raj.  

[00:11:07] Unknown:

Alright. Well, yeah. I love it. I mean, that's what this is.   This is a group effort. I I mean, a a team effort. I don't know any other way to structure it. And, you're an integral part of it. So thank you.   Well, you're welcome. Play caller, and and you're the quarterback.   Okay. So Okay.  

[00:11:27] Unknown:

Alright.  

[00:11:28] Unknown:

Alright.  

[00:11:29] Unknown:

Trip over because I don't  

[00:11:32] Unknown:

I I didn't bring a charger with me and don't know how much battery I got. So I'll be you. Later.  

[00:11:39] Unknown:

Alright. Well, if you see Mondavi,   run over him.  

[00:11:43] Unknown:

Okay.  

[00:11:44] Unknown:

Alright. He has run. Alright.   Alright. Bye. Ciao ciao.   Well, I'll be darned. You never know, do you?   So, anyway, thanks to Paul. Hey, Julie. Julie's one of our   newer students in the in a respect. She's been around about eleven months now. I think we crossed paths initially last December, and   I don't know if I've ever found out how you locked on to me, Julie, but you're a welcome addition. You're obviously a very bright and accomplished gal, and   we,   we like your enthusiasm.   And, so, yeah, what you got for us this morning?  

[00:12:21] Unknown:

I wanna,   tell everybody on here again that, I have a gofundme.com.   For Roger Sales, you go to gofundme.com,   and you search for Roger Sales Dental   Journey.   It's s a y l e s. That's how you spell his last name. We really need donations, you guys. Roger does all of this for free for everybody, and he's got an unexpected  

[00:12:49] Unknown:

dental procedure. Oh, no. No. No. No. I'm gonna correct you. It's expected.   I've known this was coming since I got into my thirties and went to the dentist,   And I heard the word, I heard this word, it still rings in my mouth, Julie,   pockets,   pockets.   And when you hear it, you got,   you got, he's in your, he's ramming those little instruments up in your gum, and he says pockets and gives a number to it. You don't wanna hear that.   K? Yeah.  

[00:13:21] Unknown:

But we just need everybody's help. Even $10.10 dollars   will help, guys. I mean,   a lot of people spend that on a Starbucks coffee.   So if you can just forego one Starbucks coffee and donate   $10   to Rogers Dale's Dental Procedure,   that would be greatly appreciated.   Gofundme.com.   And then just type in Roger Sales, r o g e r, space, s a y l e s, dental   journey,   and it will pop up. And you can donate, and every dollar will be very appreciated.  

[00:13:56] Unknown:

Sure will be. My dentist, and his college fund for his two children.   It's I appreciate that, Julie. I didn't ask Julie to do this. She did that all on her own. I appreciate it. Thank you very much.   It's just   you know, people ask me what advice do you have for young people is to take care of your teeth. That's the first thing I'll tell you. Okay? So,   anyway, thank you, Julie.   I don't know when and if this, surgery is scheduled.   I lost another   set of molars   over the weekend.   So now I'm, you know, I'm like, oh, I'm like eat I'm eating like a you know, when you see a rabbit eat,   how they just, like, chop, chop, chop, chop, chop. Well, that's how I'm eating because I've only got front teeth   to masticate my food with. And,   so anyway, it's alright. I'm getting around it. No. It's not that terrible.  

The ones that I do have that I can chew with are pretty solid. Okay.   And, the the half of them are are   prosthesis   too, but that's okay. They're solid, and I'm alright. And I was just wondering when that came out Saturday, and I'm going,   hell, what what am I gonna be restricted to eat? You know, am I gonna have avocado shakes, avocado and banana shakes? That would have my main diet or what. It's worked out alright. So I even went and had pizza yesterday.   So,   anyway, it'll work through. I'll get through it. I'm a big boy. I've I promise you. I've been through worse. I promise you. But you're on worse than you. You just read the news.   Sorry about that. Was that directed at was that directed at me?  



[00:15:37] Unknown:

No. That's,   that was,   for people who are interested, we really need to get Tina Peters out of prison. They're trying to kill her. Yeah.   And there's a gentleman who now has all of the he's on nino'scorner.tv,   but, David Rodriguez is gonna post it on his Rumble channel. He's got   all the stats now and all the facts and all of the judges who are corrupt in Colorado.   And she just really they're really they're now   putting stuff through her venting system in her jail,   and she's in very bad shape. So These people are  

[00:16:16] Unknown:

vicious.   They're vindictive.   They're vicious.   They hold grudges for thousands of years.  

[00:16:23] Unknown:

Okay? That's who our He's got all of the data.   He's got all the data,  

[00:16:29] Unknown:

and Venezuela   is involved in it,   and then all of the Brennan's involved in it with a a server farm here he owned in Serbia,   and it's just it's everywhere, it's not just United States, it's a worldwide,   travesty that's taking place and we have just got to get her out and get this stuff exposed because otherwise,   boy, they're saying that if these,   these voting machines don't get   corrected and they don't get eliminated, that, we're in for, an invasion in 2028  

[00:17:06] Unknown:

by all the Mexican cartels.  

[00:17:09] Unknown:

Yeah. Well, we just saw a little sample of it, Tuesday before last.   K? Yeah. So, that's what's coming. And,   we're in a hell of a predicament up there. I hear all these stories and all these things are going on, and it's just like I'm shaking my head. She's tick talking about Tina Peters. Some of you might not know who Tina is. She's   what? She's 70   or 60? She's 70. She's 70. She's 70 years old. She's a gold star mom. She lost her son to one of these   stupid Zionist wars somewhere   and, going to fight for Israel. I'm sure she if she knows that, it probably gives her cold chills on top of everything else.   She was a supervisor of elections out in I don't know the county in Colorado, but I believe it's where Grand Junction is,  

[00:17:57] Unknown:

where Yep. And they got and they got  

[00:18:00] Unknown:

Uh-huh. They said Western   part,  

[00:18:03] Unknown:

close to Utah. She was supervisor of elections,   and she went back in after the election and took some shots of the hard drive or the rolls or something that that voting machine produced   and saw the discrepancy.   And that's why they're after so hard right there. I remember seeing Julie that video of her in front of that horrible state judge   who saw say you are just the lowest piece of pond scum. Yep. All that. I mean, it's just repulsive what they've done to this dear lady. And then Trump tries to get her out. He tries to not get her out. He get her transferred   from a Colorado state prison where they're doing all this stuff Julie's talking about to her over to a federal prison. And guess who blocked it?  

That sum bitch sitting behind,   Pam Bondi.   His name escapes me right now, the one that's doing all this dirty dealing underneath.   I've actually blocked, that move,   and I don't know what they're doing with it. But people are sure trying to get her transferred at least   to a federal prison for Tina. The people that have paid the big price here, folks.   And and and and the sad part is if we could have gotten to them this is my frustration for all these years I've been trying to get that out there. If we could ever gotten to Tina,   maybe somebody went in, tried to change her registration, got her turned on to this. She said, I wanna do this. If Tina would have been a national,   they couldn't have done that to her.  

They never brought that out potentially into the public.   K.   So that's our burden is we've gotta spread this far and wide to help people like Tina turn up by by Tina that may get in trouble later for not something that she's doing this absolutely totally straight on.   So, this is the difference in law and policy.   What they're doing to her   is hidden underneath   policy, not law.   She had a legal responsibility   as a supervisor of elections   to oversee and make sure that election went as seamlessly and straightforward as possible, and,   of course, they didn't honor that.  

So,   anyway, that's, poor Tina. There's,   you know, Julie, there's 8,000,000   tails in the naked city.   Or are you too young to remember that?  

[00:20:33] Unknown:

Yeah. I don't remember that, but the pain of Peter's thing is just  

[00:20:37] Unknown:

frightening. Well, that that was a television program in the in the fifties. It was called the Naked City.   I don't know how many of her long enough in the chase to remember that. And they open up it. There's 8,000,000   tales in the naked City.   Well, there is. There are probably more now.   So, anyway, that's going on, the feud   at surrounding   Trump.   I just get so frustrated.   I I I wanna just,   well, I'm glad it doesn't really directly affect me or us. I know we concentrate on it. We talk about it. It's topical.   We we need to know about it. But   in the big end, it doesn't really affect us because   any laws that they pass that he signs,   they're considered to be constitutional.  

Should I go over the whole way that a a a legislation goes through the system? About, like, going through your intestinal system?  

[00:21:37] Unknown:

K.  

[00:21:38] Unknown:

Well, a,   and you can go get this.   You can go get a copy of it for your own little self   if you want to go to the government printing office. There's a book they print called How Laws Are Made. Have you ever seen that, Julie?  

[00:21:57] Unknown:

No. I have not.  

[00:21:59] Unknown:

Well, there's that's a good book. You can go you you got a government printing office right there next to you. Right. I had one in Atlanta. I went down on Peachtree Street and bought it.   And it's very it's very interesting. It just goes shows you how. I guess there was a cartoon thing they used to show   years ago to high school students on this called a bill, and there's a little it was all animated. There's a little thing called a bill. And, yeah, I go over here and I go over there. I don't know if probably some of you have seen that.  

[00:22:27] Unknown:

Schoolhouse rocks.  

[00:22:29] Unknown:

Okay. Thank you.   Schoolhouse   rocks.   A bill has to originate in the senate or the house. All spending bills originate in the house.   They used to have a ways and means committee in the senate because Barclay was the head of it. I don't know   what happened to it. They don't have that anymore to my knowledge. There's ways and means that comes up with all of the   spending stuff. And that's why that chairmanship   is so important.   Remember it was Haskell or one of those guys, one of the little queers that we used to have up there that was, of course,   in chairmanship of the ways and means committee. Anyway,   either though our house or the senate issues a bill, it's either a SR, senate resolution,   or an HR, how house resolution.  

We just got one passed in the middle of the late at night,   just here on, releasing the,   all the Jerry Epstein   information.   There was one   vote against it. One guy from Florida.   One guy. 491   to one.   Okay. So, obviously, that passed the house. Now it's gonna go over to the senate.   Now it's gotta be approved by the senate.   And it's only when   if there if there's pretty much agreement on the bill,   but there's differences in the language and they don't agree totally,   they'll send it to what they call a committee where they get   get it meshed out with both houses. I can't remember what they call it.  

But anyway, that because both houses have to agree on it.   Send them out. Goes into conference.   Conference. Right. Hey, Tom. Good morning.   A conference committee, and they hammer everything out to where they can agree on it, and both of them sign it. When that's done, it's sent to the president,   whoever that may be.   He either signs it or vetoes it. Now   if he signs it,   when he does, Tom,   it's considered at that point to be constitutional.   It hasn't met any tests from the court or the public,   but it's considered that those three bodies know what's constitutional and what isn't,   and that he would know if it wasn't and wouldn't sign it.  

So when he signs it,   if he vetoes it, it could go back to them and they can override his veto, I think, with a two thirds vote or some technicality.   Regardless, if he signs it, it goes on, and it goes into this book of law books. I've told talked about it before. There's three sets of law books in the law library.   This is the first one. It's called the organic statutes at large. When a bill is signed by the president, considered to be constitutional,   it's moved over in there, and it's called public law. Public law, what what dash what what what.   Now this is where they start making sausage.  

Then there's another set of law books called the United States code. You know, they say you never should see legislation or sausage being made.   Yeah. I guess if you saw it being made, you probably wouldn't eat it.   Regardless,   it's considered to be constitutional, and it's moved over to this other   set of law books that we refer to occasionally here called the   United States Code or USC.   Now   we were talking about this, a couple years ago in Sketch. I asked the question,   Somebody do do a search and find out when The United States code was started.   When do you think it was started, Tom?  



[00:26:14] Unknown:

Don't have a clue.   Probably in   back both in, BC, probably.  

[00:26:20] Unknown:

Oh, now, Tom, Tom, Tom. '26. Better than that. Look. You're a nuclear guy, for God's sakes. You're smarter than that.   When they're gonna pull one of their scams,   they run it right up until there, and they run that son of a bitch in, and that was in the nineteen twenties.   So what is The United States code?   Well, The United States code is the same what what we would refer to as the Roman civil code.   This is where Daryl   came on   one day, our old buddy Daryl. We don't see too much of him anymore. I didn't even heard too much about him anyway.   Daryl,   very intellectual   guy, very well read, and he comes in. He says,   the civil war was misnamed, Tom.  

It wasn't the civil war.   It was the war to bring in the civil law.   Now, by golly, that's splitting the hair just about as thin as you can split it.   That's right down to base. So what happened?   A detour just a second since we got a wide open show here today. Let's go back and look at and talk about for just a second. We're gonna come back to this, our story on how bills are made.   And we're gonna go back to Rome. Two thousand years ago, the first two hundred years of Rome,   they were under a group of laws called the just, j u s is law in Latin,   just civil, c I v I l e,   Just Seville.  

And the just Seville was basically   a common law.   They were ruled by what they called the, I believe, the 10 or the 12, I've forgotten which one it is, tablets.   Now we don't know what we've never found the tablets. We see them referred to in in Roman writings.   But kinda like the 10 commandments, if you would, there were these rules that they followed, and they had a very formal judicial   setup like a court system of today.   And, so that was their problem was the, system was aggravating and slow and etcetera.   Probably cost money.  

So as Rome became a conquering   nation factor   and they conquered the territories,   well, all all of the merchants from wherever, let's say the Middle East, well, they went over and had all this stuff in the Middle East. Well, all the merchants of the Middle East, well, they wanted to go to Rome because Rome was the center of the empire, and that's where all the action was, the big action. We know these guys like big action.   So   what happened was,   as those foreign merchants came to Rome,   the guy that was the attorney general of Rome was called the praetor,   p r   a e t o r.  

And he had a his own army, basically, and they were called the Praetorian   guards.   And it got to a point in Rome where the the Praetorian guards were the one that's appointed the emperor. That's their power.   Well, the people in Rome understood that that position had a lot of power. Therefore, they only would let somebody be in it one year.   One year, next guy, boom, So that they could never get that established.   And so,   generally, the new praetor that came in   followed the group of laws that the previous praetors had followed.   Maybe make make some small changes.  

Generally, he'd follow what's already there. Conservative.   Conserve.   Conservative means to conserve.   Okay?   So, now the foreign merchants are in town though, and they're wheeling and dealing in the markets, and they don't have to adhere to Rome because they're not Roman citizens.   So they brought, we've con discussed this recently, the merchant law with them.   The Babylonian   merchant code was already established at that point because merchants had been trading all over the world, China, Italy,   all over the place, and they follow   the merchant code.  

The merchants of the world, replete in the Bible,   follow the merchant code. I know it amazes you, but that's what it is.   No. It's admiralty law. It's merit. No. It's the merchant code of Babylon.   We call it the UCC.   For thousands of years, it was called the law merchant. Still is,   some circles,   but it originated   in Babylon, or it was perfected in Babylon. That's more accurate. It actually originated before Babylon   in some of the even more ancient societies   like Sumer and Sumerians.   And it turns out there was even some of that before   the Sumerians. So this is ancient of the way people dealt with each other in a business capacity.  

And so these are the merchants in Rome, and they use   this came up just the other day. We were talking to one of our new gals. I didn't want they're Catherine in Kansas, I think. And I didn't wanna get off on this, but I'm a tell the story today because this is a very important background.   It shows you why things happen and how they happen.   Okay? And how long we adhere to them.   So Rome is there. The merchants are wheeling and dealing. The Roman citizens are stuck up against a formal legal process to to achieve a, it's very important word here, remedy.   And so what they did was they started going to the praetor. And what they were particularly upset about was the Babylonian merchant code   holds   a thing called self help remedies, a way to achieve a remedy without going through a formal court process. And the way that it's done   is the remedies written into the contract you sign.  

K?   And so the contract you sign   has to have what's called a recognizance,   a paragraph, if you will, a sentence   that is legally identified as a   recognizance.   $10 word for the word recognize   is what that is legally. Is there something in that contract that you sign? I'll tell you where there is one in every one, if you've ever signed a financing statement for an automobile.   I promise you this is in there.   This is how they come seize your car if you don't pay.   They don't have to go to court and get a judgment.   In the paperwork, it says,   I agree to abide by all the laws in state, whatever state you're in and whatever part of the state code   deals with automobile sales.  

And so in there, it says, the state legislature   has determined   that if you don't blow your hypothetical here, if you don't pay your car payment on the sixty first day,   you've you've reneged on and that's happening right now. Foreclosures are skyrocketing.   K? If you don't pay your payment on month one and you don't pay your payment on month two,   by the sixty first day or whatever it says, I'm doing hypothetical stuff here. If you haven't   if you haven't paid a payment,   then the contract goes to Remedy.   And what that means is on the '60 first day,   they don't have to go file a thing in court and say, Joe Smith hadn't paid his car payment. We need to get this on the docket that we'll hear the case in six months.  

And and and then and then we'll this may go in front of a jury, may not. We'll get a   a decision, and we'll go get it registered and all that kind of stuff. And then you can go grab the car. Well, you may be. There's no damn telling where you may be by that time.   And so here's where is the validity of self help remedies. If you hadn't paid that car payment on the sixty first day, they come and boost the car.   They just come and take it just like the IRS does. And one of my students in Atlanta   calls me at 07:00 in the morning. Roger. Roger. They're stealing my car.   This is the result of self help remedies. That wasn't admiralty law that Kim was calling me about. And one maritime law that Kim called me about, it was the the end of self help remedy with the IRS because this is the body of law they use.  

By the   way, these little remedies, these self help remedies   have been in existence for a long time. And they're the only thing the IRS uses.   And the only body of law that they are attached to   in history   is the law merchant.   So the Babylonian merchant code called, the law merchant called the UCC,   That's the only botan era. Let's get back to the rule of law. Hello, buddy buddy. You're under the rule of law. You just don't know what it is.   Because these people have never done this research like John Benson did and was so gracious as to teach us.   Okay? And so that's the only place in remedy wise, which is very important, every set of law every group of laws, the body of law has its own remedies. Okay? So they're all different. They're not the same.  

So you can go over to the remedy from our little formula, r plus d equals r, and you can identify   that. And you said those are self help remedies. That's lean, lovey, garnishment, and seizure.   And here, I look on this sheet. We've got it on the website.   The only body of law that those have ever been available to ever in the history of the planet   is the UCC.   And   in the old days,   before the Westphalian   agreement where countries became countries,   everything was manners and this feudal system,   longest running form of government in the history of the planet. The planet has been under this law, this system, this structure   longer than any other body of law, and that's a feudal system.  

So the feudal system in the middle ages as the   fairs   as the fairs that went around, the trade fairs go around all over the country, vendors over merchants,   trying to vend their goods, all that stuff.   Well, they followed the merchant code because,   well, they were the merchants.   And because that was the predominant   code of that day,   the feuds, the manners picked it up. So you could call that menorah law, the law of the manner. The law of the manners during the feudal system   was the Babylonian merchant code.   So there's two   bodies of law. One,   most people are very unfamiliar with, the law that ran the manners in the feudal system,   Babylon   Babylonian merchant code.  

And the only other place is the Babylon is the law merchant that has been used. So when you hear people say, and it's one of my pet peeves for years,   all this Admiralty Law and Maritime Law stuff,   prove it because I can prove it's not.   You never heard anybody say prove it to any of these David Strait or Anabaughn rights people.  

[00:37:53] Unknown:

They just accept it. Oh, okay. It's admiralty law.  

[00:37:58] Unknown:

It's not. It's this law. They got a structure to it. Now the difference is   and these self help remedies, man, they're very important to understand.   Well, for one thing, because they totally isolate you and identify what what's going on.   But secondly, because it's something that's written into the contract. Where else do we find a,   recognizance   clause?   Tom,   do you think we might find one in the ten forty form?   Bet your ass you will. Sorry. I was distracted.  

[00:38:32] Unknown:

Yeah. I think so.  

[00:38:34] Unknown:

Yeah. No. You can bet on it. This one, you can take to Vegas. Okay?   You'll be very wealthy.   The recognizance   clause is always in a ten forty form,   which is called, by the way, there's a technical name for this form called a Jewish shehtar.   It's ancient,   and this is what they've used in tax situations evidently all through the past because when this was passed in England,   well, in December,   excuse me,   someone said this form has been used since time   out of mine, Jewish sheatar.   I don't know how far back similar to a contract of adhesion?   Well, no. You well,   not really.  

It's not an I don't know what it is. It's just something you commit yourself to.  

[00:39:27] Unknown:

But there's two things that kinda like a one size four contract.  

[00:39:31] Unknown:

Okay. Well, this is where, this is why I'll tell you what I know about it.   It's in the UCC,   in a section of the UCC. We're gonna get back to how bills are made in a minute. In a section of the UCC,   in specialty   contracts.   So what we know right off the bat is it's a specialty   contract,   something special about it.   And there's two requirements   for one of these contracts.   All the Jewish sheatar   for I don't know. Probably still is in England called a statute staple, bond, or contract.   We call it a ten forty form. It's all the same thing.   K?  

And it's got a recognizance,   and it'll say I when you sign your little IRS goodie,   it's gonna say I agree to abide by all the terms and conditions of title 26   of the United States Code.   And then   it has a thing and it has to be signed.   Well, contracts are not   oral contracts maybe, but these types of contracts are not legitimate unless they're signed.   And that is called it has to be signed under a   seal, they call it.   A seal is a penalty of perjury.   So it's gotta have those two requirements. It's gotta have a recognizance. I agree to abide by some other group of laws,   and it's got to,   have a penalty of perjury on it.  

So that's the two requirements that there's other contracts in there. We talk about a confirmatory   writing   around here, Tom, like that. You haven't received your tax return for the year   nineteen twenty   twenty twenty three. If you've already sent this in, please disregard blah blah blah blah.   Well, that is a what John always thought it was, I'm sure he's correct,   is a confirmatory   writing. It's also in that specialty   section of the UCC, Tom.   And that little confirmatory   writing thingy   is,   is a contract. It's a one way contract. And if you go into the UCC,   it says it's,   supposed to be between merchants who were appraised of the contents of the contents of the writing.  

They you know, they'll bend the rules here whenever they can.   So the unique part of this, the reason it's in a specialty contract is it's in reverse.   It's considered a contract from the start.   And if you don't expressly   deny it within ten days,   then it's deemed you've accepted it.   You   I think back in the fifties, they were doing this stuff. I don't know if any of you remember   the commercials on television. Would you like to get this   bouncing chartreuse, what a what a? And you go, no. I don't want any of that damn thing. Well, the ten days fifteen days later shows up in the mail. Well, these are confirmatory   writings.  

If you don't expressly   deny it within ten days, it's considered you agree to it.   So this just a little sidebar here from our main topic of the day,   and to show you why in Rome, this was so   so desired by the populace   and why they kept bugging the praetor.   We want this easy way of remedy.   We don't have to go to court and wait and get in front of other people and get a judgment, go get it registered to go get a remedy. We get it right on the spot   because it's written in the contract. If you don't perform, bam.   Lean levy garnishment and seizure. Well,   so that's what happened, that pressure on the praetor in Rome for two hundred years or so. Remember, they changed it every year.  

So over the period of time of two hundred years or so,   well, they finally gave in. They made enough of the minor changes, and it got to a point where some praetor   could make the change, and they made the change. Now what's the change?   The change was to incorporate particularly this part, remedy from the UCC   over emergent code, over into the Roman civil just civil,   The law of the citizen, basically.   So now, of course, when you get the camel's nose under the tent, Tom, what do you got? You got the whole damn camel under there. So you don't just get the remedies, you eventually get the whole thing. And that was the melding of the Babylonian merchant.   Yes. The fleas too, to say the least.  

And so this was the melding of the Babylonian   merchant code by contract   over here into the Roman just civil,   basically,   the the Roman common law.   And so after that happened, it wasn't called the just civil anymore.   It was called the jus. Remember, j u s, Latin for law.   Jes jensum,   j e n. There's a weird spelling to it. It's in my book.   So over two hundred years on pressure brought on the praetor to bring in this very easy way of remedy,   the Roman   civil law, the just civil,   changed to the just jinsam   as these Babylonian   concepts were incorporated   and melded in   to the Roman common law.  

As happened, best I can tell, it was at least three times   that we know of.   The second time that happened, first time in Rome, second time was in December   in England.   And that's where our income tax system comes from. We'll cover that at another time.   And then what's happened in our country? They brought in the UCC   to adhere to the collection of tax law   in the nineteen sixties, Tom.   Before '65,   I think.   So self help remedies, lien levy garnishment and seizure,   Those are ways of getting what   you've contracted with them and you owe. Let's just say that on the surface like that.   Obviously, there's fraud involved.  

But they wrote those in there, and the difference and here's where I think   I think   you can see the patriot community coming up with Admiralty and Maritime.   First of all, Admiralty is in the constitution.   And so they say, well, admiralty is in the constitution, so that's gotta be what they're using on us because we don't understand any of these processes,   and we attribute them to admiralty.   Well, let's go back to our little examination of the bodies of law. And look, every one of these there's about seven or eight of them. Every one of these bodies of law has   specific things that are individuals   to that body of law, what they call the presiding officer. He may be called Esquire. Some of them, he may be called judge in the king's bench. He may be called whatever. They have different names for the presiding officer.  

For each each body of law, they're never called the same thing.   So that's a difference. The actions that are brought in the middle, etcetera, etcetera, well, those are all different.   And the remedies are all different.   So you can go back to that bit of knowledge, the charts on the website, we talked about the other day. It's a handout that John and Gil Glenn gave us.   I'm sure glad I saved it.   All those years where it identifies each body of law, what the judge is called, what the actions are, and what the remedies are.   So you can go to that little piece of paper with a question   like,   what are the remedies in admiralty law?  

And you'll look over and see there's only one.   It's called Prize, p r I z e.   And you'll see in in different I thought it was a walker. Historical things. Well, you'll see them what they'll refer to. Well, they it took it to the Prize court. Well, that's the Admiralty Court of what they grabbed and what they're supposed to go give the queen and what they can keep themselves and all that kind of crap. What was your comment, Tom?  

[00:47:55] Unknown:

It's walk the plank.  

[00:47:59] Unknown:

Walk the old plank.   There was a process. The only process was   that the ship that was gonna raid you would be flying like a flag of a of a friendly.   And so they get real close to you, then they yank down the friendly flag, and they'd run up the Jolly Roger.   That's the black flag with the skull and crossbones on it. That was the only process in Admiralty law.   And then they'd go, they'd throw these hooks, try and get the hooks with ropes on them to where the ships are lashed together, and then the pirates would come over and they'd kill everybody they wanted. They'd take prisoners if they wanted, and they'd take all the prize,   the goodies.  

So if somebody says admiralty law, you go, what's the remedy in admiralty law?   They don't know.   If they knew, they wouldn't be saying admiralty law. It's a prize.   There's any procedure in prize?   No?   Outside of changing that flag.   So what about the procedures involved with self help remedies? I don't know how many of you have ever crossed swords with the IRS,   but it is like a paper thing. You know, it's every day you go to the mailbox. Do I have a letter from those son of a bitches today?   And,   so there's a whole bunch of process. They gotta send you that confirmatory   writing. Let's say you didn't file.  

They gotta send you that confirmatory   writing, then they gotta do it maybe once or twice more. There's a whole series of those letters.   And then eventually, you'll get to a point they wanna settle with you. They want you back in the system. That's what their boss wants.   K?   And and so that's the pressures to get you   back as a, quote, you know, filing ten forty form.   So then they come back. Eventually, you'll get to what we call, Tom, I hope you've never gotten one of these before, a 90   letter.   You familiar with that terminology?   You probably are.  

And the ninety day letter is saying, look, you got ninety days to clear this up. If not, you're gonna have to go to tax court. And if not, we're just gonna come start grabbing stuff. Well, they have to give you that option   to go to tax court. Now interestingly enough   oh, somebody was on here saying they won some kind of case in tax court the other day on the amount of money they owed or something.   The only   thing that you can bring up in tax court is that right there,   how much you owe. You can't argue any law. You can't argue regulations.   You can't argue administrative stuff.  

We're in a discussion to see how much you're gonna fleece me out of.   Now if you take that, if you don't, whatever.   But then and only then when you get past that last   big obstacle,   can they start grabbing stuff.   Lien levy garnishment and seizure. Now there's all kinds of procedure up to that point. There's no procedure in admiralty law, and the only remedy is prize.   Here, we've got the right remedy. We've got the right people. They're co historically,   the tax   collectors of the world   all the way back to Egypt, folks. I mean, even after Egypt, they call them tax farmers. They get a percentage of what they collect.   Of course, it's almost totally always been dominated by Jews,   especially in Poland.  

And so there's the difference, and that's why Rome changed from the Justeville to the Justejinsen.   So that's what The United States Code is,   is this melding   of   UCC   and common law,   or   constitutional law, common law.   So if that isn't enough,   now they come over and they take the law that's considered to be constitutional   from the statutes at large,   and they start transferring that over to The United States code. They do it by subject matter.   Title 28   is treasury.   Title 26 is IRS.   Title 42 is civil rights.   Title 18 is criminal.   All of them have a subject matter heading.  

So they move these over. Now you've noticed   in the discussion, if you've been hanging around, we keep some of the some of the folks keep bringing this title aid up, title aid section so and so so and so and so and so. And that's where it comes in and defines us. It defines American Samoans too.   That has got to be what's called positive law.   When they bring over these laws and bring them over into this second   settled law books, United States code,   they're either considered   positive   or non positive law.   You know, Tom, that threw me for a loop for years.   Non positive   law?  

What is that?   Could that be construed as legal?  

[00:53:12] Unknown:

Well, it's a, it's a convolution   of   terms. You know, it's,   it's definitely made to  

[00:53:21] Unknown:

confuse you.  

[00:53:22] Unknown:

I've scratched my head over that for years, and then one day, bing, you know,   your mind starts giving you answers.   When they pull that law over from the public,   they're gonna put it in The United States code right out of Congress.   And and and and it's gotta go through this other process where the president signs it. It's over in this first set of law books. They gotta move it over to the second.   So do they move it over whole cloth or piecemeal?   The example I just gave you, and I'm gonna give you the opposite in just a second,   the example I just gave you was title eight and that long definition of what a national is.  

Comes basically from a piece of legislation   in 1940   called the Nationality   Act of 1940,   and that definition, a nationalized total allegiance to a small s state, is the very first definition under the as that thing starts, it rolls out with definition.   Nationality act of 1940   and definition a, a nationalized total allegiance   to a small s state.   Thank you. I should give public thanks to Larry Beecraft,   who had no idea what it meant, but sent it to me. Thank you, Larry.   Because when you see that, you know what we know. You can identify it instantly as a national.   So they bring all that over into title eight. I will bet you a dollar to a Krispy Kreme donut   that title eight's positive law. I've never looked,   but I guarantee it is. Why? Because they brought those things over whole cloth from the statutes at large in the original legislation.  

Right. I'm gonna give you yes. Just just a second. I mean, let me give you the comparison we can discuss.   Now the opposite is what I'm gonna tell you is title 26, internal revenue code.   Internal revenue code was never signed and passed by the senate.   We know a bill's gotta be agreed on by by both houses.   It was never   agreed on nor passed by the senate, nor   was it ever signed by the president. It mysteriously   shows   up here in The United States code. Well, how'd that happen?   How'd that happen?   It's because the federal government was bankrupted with the bonds.   And they came in   and bankrupted the country.  

And   and then they come along and they've got to have the tax mechanism   incorporated with the bankruptcy,   but it only agrees to Washington DC and federal territories.   It doesn't   it doesn't apply to the states. That's why we get out of this. It doesn't apply to the states. It only applies to the feds.   Therefore,   I know it's a horrible thought to think that Nancy Pelosi ran the whole shooting match because whoever's the speaker of the house controls the federal government.   And so they pass the bankruptcy   and the tax code   to adhere to the bankruptcy,   and they put it in title 26. It was never signed passed by the senate. It was never signed by the president.  

Here's an instance of where they take   non positive law,   and they run it in as a whole damn,   That's a whole code for Lord's sakes   with a whole set of regulations under it. Now who was trying to say something a second ago?  

[00:56:56] Unknown:

Yeah. At the beginning   of the table of contents, I think, for the,   US code titles Yes. Yes. There's a note there, and it's it's got a asterisk. And it says if the asterisk is there, it's positive law. And you can go around that list and see which ones are positive and which ones are not. And title 26   and I think 27   are non positive law. They didn't pass constitutional muster.  

[00:57:22] Unknown:

Well, they never got signed by the president or passed by the senate. They were just put into effect by the house. And because that's Washington, DC and the territories,   and every time they ever ask you, Rick, you told them you were right smack embedded in that.   So, of course, they're gonna apply to you.  

[00:57:40] Unknown:

Yeah. But they're,   I think the big thing hurdle is they're,   they're unconstitutional.   The income tax is direct tax. Right?  

[00:57:50] Unknown:

It is, but it's not unconstitutional.   And I'll have to agree with Bob Morgan here. He came on one day and said these things are not unconstitutional.   I can prove that to you because they passed all kinds of court muster for all these decades.   They're extra constitutional   because the country's in bankruptcy.   That's much more accurate.   Right? Well, you'll help you hear people say, well, these agencies,   they're nowhere in the constitution. They're unconstitutional.   Well, there's all kinds of court cases that have been okayed and and given them the grace for decades. Like I said, hell, eighty eighty years, something like that.   They're extra constitutional.  

I think that's much more accurate, Rick, and better way for you students to think about it because that way you can separate it. And it's got legitimacy. It's got legitimacy or they couldn't have pulled it off all these decades.   So there it is. They identify positive law with asterisks. They used to have a little circle   next to each title, Rick, and it would be colored.   It'd be yellow or whatever if it was positive law. Anyway, they're using asterisk now, and that's what they're identifying is, is this legal or is this lawful?   If you wanna really boil it down, isn't that what they're asking?  

Is this a legal code or is this a lawful code? Because just like it says in the bottom in the footnotes of the,   silent weapons for quiet wars, that very important document, it says what we do may not always be lawful,   but it will always be legal.   There it is right there.   So   now we take these laws. We've got the sequence passed by the senate, passed by the house, signed by the president or else run-in by the house.   And then they're moved over all into this middle body of laws that only started in the nineteen twenties, about a hundred years ago.   Basically, the Roman civil law melding these other bodies of law together,   and then they take it and they instituted it into the post bankruptcy   structure.  

What's that?   The deep state.   What's that?   The administrative   state made up of   I thought there's over 600. There may be only over 300, but there's hundreds of these agencies.   Somebody   stuck   Samuel talked to Glock, Grok, whatever it is, and see and ask Glock, Grok, how many   administrative   agencies are operable in in the federal government?   Let's try and find a nail down answer on that.   Anyway, all these things have been built up over the years since the bankruptcy.   They started, and this is something I just realized recently. I can tell you where the very first regulation came from and who promulgated it.   It wasn't even an agency yet. It was because of this bankruptcy.  

And you go to the bank holiday of 1933,   you can look it right up in Black's Law dictionaries, can tell you what happened.   And they're gonna say the banks closed for five days, and they were reopened   by the secretary of the treasury under,   regulations issued by the secretary of the treasury.   Roger? Well, the only problem with that just a second, Julie.   There was no secretary of the treasury before March 9. There was a treasurer of The United States.   There was no Secretary of the Treasury,   and there weren't anything called   regulations because we didn't have any agencies   before that. We were free people under the constitution.  

Yes, Julie.  

[01:01:36] Unknown:

Yeah. I asked Grock, but it's lying.   They're saying that,   claims of, 400 plus agencies are based on outdated,   and broad accounts that include sub agencies and obsolete listings.   But with just code of federal regulations,   twenty twenty four index, it's approximately four forty units   listed.   And then you have Administrative   Conference of the United States with 115   to 130   agencies depending on the year. Now why wouldn't they know the exact? And those are the agencies subject to the Administrative Procedure Act.  

[01:02:26] Unknown:

Yeah. When I So truly, I have I got the that says according to the federal register, there's 441.  

[01:02:34] Unknown:

Yeah. That sounds right. Just suffice to say there's hundreds of the son of a bitches more than we wanna deal with.  

[01:02:41] Unknown:

Okay?  

[01:02:42] Unknown:

Let's not truly let's not quibble over how many hundreds they are. Okay? We just don't wanna deal with any of them if possible.   This is the outgrowth from the bankruptcy.   This is because   these agencies   produce what's   termed public   policy.   What?   There's another one, Tom. Hell, I bet I noodled on that for over ten, twelve years. What the hell is public policy?   What do you mean public policy?   K? What public policy is regulations   generated by these 400   plus agencies   for the serfs   or other persons like businesses, etcetera, etcetera. They're they're legal persons too, don't forget.   So that's what all that is, was the buildup after the bankruptcy   of these agencies. You know, Roosevelt went absolute   ape with this stuff   as they started instituting   the new   administration   and the new communism there. And they started doing things like having you to require licenses   to do your   activity of per profession. You never had to have that before, Julie. You didn't have to have real estate licenses back in the old days.  

So this comes back and depends on you and how the regulations   are and whether you think they're just or not or should be there.   If there was fake people out selling fake houses,   then I guess they'd eventually get caught and taken to court and sent to jail if it were under common law.   So anyway, that's where the agencies came from. And the thing they had a really big problem with   in the thirties, particularly as they were springing up with the Works Progress Association,   the   TVA,   all these things are agencies.   But they didn't have have a rule book yet. You know, we have a rule book. It goes to the senate. It goes to the house. Has to agree. It gets passed by the president. Put in statutes at large. Well, these agencies didn't have any rule book. They're just running amok,   And they did not get rules   until 1946.  

They went into this agree this agency thing in the thirties, '33 after the bankruptcy. I showed you where it originated.   They don't have any rules for thirteen years.   So this is where all the problems in the thirties came with the Supreme Court. There was still the original six members on there. They were the old guys. They were defeating all the unconstitutional   stuff that they saw.   There's a there's a litany of cases in there.   Scheckman versus Scheckman, poultry. There's a bunch of them. And so that's when Roosevelt got frustrated and came back and stacked the court.   So now we got nine.  

That's where that came from.   They didn't have a rule book yet. And so in 1946,   however, they passed what's   the Administrative   Procedures Act,   APA.   We were somebody was reading so I think it was, when,   Eli came to   visit us,   and,   he was reading this case that they got filed in Missouri that he signed on to.   And, and he he's reading through, and he says, according to the APA, whatever that is. Well, you better know what that is.   K?   Especially if you're still a serf,   because that's potentially the key to your freedom is the rule book of the administrative agencies.   Have they followed all the rules that they're mandated to follow   to what they call, this is, you know, bureaucratic   language, promulgate   promulgate   this regulation.  

So what do these agencies do, and how do they do it? Boy, we can, oh, almost take up the whole damn show with this stuff today.   It's good for you new people. You're getting a real good   background foundation here.   So what is the APA? It's called the Administrative Procedures Act. It was passed in 1946.   It's codified,   which means it's in that middle group, that United States code is codified   at title five section five five two   and following.   The legal word for that is at e t s e q, at segue,   at at something another.   Anyway, that means and following. So in it's title five, section five five two.  

Boy, I guarantee you this one's positive law.   And you go over and it gives you all the rules. Well, what rules about what?   Rules about these things called regulations. So what the administrative   agencies do, their function is to enslave the slaves' asses.   So you go out, you think you're, participating   in a voting situation,   you elect a representative,   The representative goes up there supposedly under a represent a Republican form of government to represent you.   So they go up there to DC,   oh, like our controversial friend, Julie Marjorie Taylor Greene.   She goes up there with the intent, I'm gonna straighten this some bitch out. And you get up there and you realize, holy smokes, this thing's a   little 50, a 100 times bigger than I thought it was. And in reality, it's a thousand times bigger than you thought it was. K?  

So they go up there. They think they're gonna affect and make laws. That's what they're there for. That's what they get paid for.   Just like the one we tried to pass, like, they passed in the house last night, 491   to one,   that we're gonna release all the Jeffrey Epstein stuff.   That's a that's almost a perfect majority.   Gotta go to the senate.   So they pass these laws. They're signed by the president. They run through this procedure we've gone over. They go over to the statutes at large,   considered to be constitutional,   they're moved over to The United States code, either whole meal or part meal. If they're part meal, they're non positive law. If they're whole meal, they're positive law.  

Now that's on the books from congress   gone through the entire   correct procedure. Right?   Tom, that's right.   I speak for you. Okay?   So now   this is the bankruptcy   hook here.   They've got this administrative   state, which is what's really running the country. And they're staffed   with unelected   bureaucrats. They never went through an electoral process. They've never been elected Already been to the senate. What?  

[01:09:19] Unknown:

Already been to the senate.   Already been to the senate.   You know? Hello?  

[01:09:25] Unknown:

Hello? Who whom what are you what point are you trying to make?  

[01:09:30] Unknown:

It's already been to the senate.  

[01:09:32] Unknown:

Doesn't matter. K. We're off we're not in The United States code. We're over here in the administrative state.   K? And they can make promulgate regulations even if it didn't go to the senate because they do it with title 26, don't they?   Yes, they do.   So this is the deep state, these administrative   agencies   with unelected   bureaucrats. And as I'm fond of saying,   what gives that guy over there the power   to promulgate these regulations,   attach them to me, and then enforce them on me? Where did he get that power? And, of course, that's what we deal with here regularly.   So the administrative   agency is staffed with unelected bureaucrats.  

Some and do you know how hard it is to get bureaucrats out of there? I mean, it's almost impossible, the the,   the unions they've got and all the rest of that stuff. It can be done, but it's not easy.  

[01:10:31] Unknown:

And so you got all these people It's like trying to get rid of the rats in New York.  

[01:10:35] Unknown:

Well, yeah. It is because they're almost all liberals because they wouldn't have been a bureaucrat if they weren't.   K? So they go in and they do they go over and grab this legislation,   now codified.   It's in The United States code. It's been through congress, all the prerequisites.   Then they send it over to the appropriate agency again on subject matter.   So whatever the juror the the subject matter jurisdiction is, they send it over to if it's water, you go over to EPA or something.   And they then being the quote, unquote experts   on the topic,   reconsider   the legislation   that's gone through the whole other process,   and they   reinterpret   it   and put it out in the form of promulgated   regulations.  

So this is where the sausage is made. What's in the code?   How do I interpret it for the slaves?   That's the question they're dealing with.   Now   they can do that three ways   because there's three different types of regulations.   You've got the most innocent one, and it's called a statement of policy.   You folks have no idea how long it took to understand all this, be able to understand it, simplify it, and regurgitate   it here to you today.   Notice when, Bork came on with his buddy Ed, he was big. He said, I know about public policy. He didn't have any idea about three different types of regulations,   what they mean, how they're promulgated, and who they apply to. He didn't have any idea of that. That's the meat and guts of this.  

There's another way you can get out   if you're affected by this, potentially.   So the first group of regulations are called statements of policy.   They're no more than exactly what they're labeled.   They're a statement of some agency's   policy.   It has to be published in the federal organ. That's called the Federal Register.   And they only apply   to the agency   that's promulgating   the statement of policy.   Only, exclusively.   No others.  

[01:12:59] Unknown:

Whatever happens to promulgate   Whatever happened to promulgate?  

[01:13:05] Unknown:

I I don't know what happened to it, Ferris. You wanna hey. Hey, Ferris. Why don't you continue on the story here? Okay? Mister know it all, why don't you just continue for the audience, Ferris, please?   What's the next regulation,   Farris?   What's the next type of regulation?   Remove it. Thank   you.   God, that guy's an irritant.   You I don't know that you can get this information anywhere else because I know what I had to do to get and understand it.   I'm simplifying this for all of you, including Farris and his bullshit   vocabulary   police. Now I got this other phone ringing in the background. Just let it it's stopping just a second.  

You see? No?   This is magic, Jack. It's something to do with Florida,   and   their Medicare, Medicaid   deadline, some kinda crap. They just say you can't stop them from calling them. Oh, it's it's not just Florida, buddy. It's not just Florida.  

[01:14:16] Unknown:

It's the whole country.  

[01:14:18] Unknown:

Okay. Well, I got four in here. After another after another. IPhones. Okay.   Anyway, sorry for the interruption. We're   I'm sorry for all the interruptions   that take us off track because I want you to understand this stuff. You can't get anybody else to explain this to you because there ain't nobody I found that understood it except for Ralph Winterout, and he ain't with us anymore.   Status of policy.   Yes, Julie?  

[01:14:49] Unknown:

Yeah. Okay. So I wanna go back to this. So basically, the administrative   agencies,   they put out,   the promulgated   legislation,   and there's three types of regulations. And the first one It's not it's the state of policy.  

[01:15:05] Unknown:

It's not legislation.   We're promulgating   regulations.   Remember. Okay. It's already gone through all the legislation.   What we're doing is being handed this by subject matter, and we're reinterpreting   it because we're the experts.  

[01:15:20] Unknown:

Okay. So the first one would be with that.  

[01:15:23] Unknown:

Alright. Hold on. I gotta stop.   This is what happened that was so important last year. You've heard it referred to on here as the Chevron deference.  

[01:15:34] Unknown:

Right.  

[01:15:35] Unknown:

There was a case in the seventies   dealing with Chevron   where the court said,   you're the administrative   agency. You're the experts.   You can reinterpret this any way you want, 360   degrees.   That's where we got all the wild regulations from.   Where the only way you can get rid of that regulation   is to go back to the origin of it and show that it doesn't fit the original intent of the   legislation.   So now that was changed by the court last year. We don't have this Chevron deference, and they've got more strict adherence they have to adhere to in this process.   So just interrupting you there, they they weren't legislated. They're promulgated.  



[01:16:21] Unknown:

Okay. And so the statement of policy only applies to the agency. So then what's the second type of regulation?  

[01:16:28] Unknown:

I'm gonna give you all three right now. If   if if I if I I don't know. Farris seems to think I'm not pronouncing it right.   He didn't know about it. He can't pick up where I am, but he thinks I'm pronouncing it incorrectly.   I I don't think so. I wanna learn it. About like my Spanish about like my Spanish, Julie. But you know what? I'm out there and they understand me. That's all I care about. Okay.   So   the second type of these three   regulations, and we've got a perfect example for you,   they're called interpretive   interpretive   regulations.  

And they also   only apply   to the agency.   So that's what that is. They're taking something, they're interpreting it for the agency.   The very   best actual example I can give you of this, we're all familiar with   because everybody bitched about wearing those damn masks.   That was a CDC   interpretive   regulation.   It only applied to The U CDC.   But you see how they free range with this stuff. Oh, no, that applies to everybody.   Finally, a couple of years later, some law firm   figured out it's an interpretive regulation,   and I'll I'll tell you I'll show you why they know that in a minute. They knew it was an interpretive regulation, therefore, it only applied to the CDC.   They took it to court in the Central District Of Florida down there, Orlando,   I think, where the judge, female,   is, was one of, Clarence Thomas' clerks.  

And she rules she said this is an administrative agency. It doesn't apply to anybody but the CDC.   That's when you saw the shots of the teacher in about the second or third grade with all those cute little kids. And she says, we don't have to wear masks anymore. And all the kids go, yay. Yay. Yay. And they go berserko.   That was an interpretive regulation. It was misapplied.   The Biden administration came back because I was on top of this. I understood what it was what was going on. So the Biden administration comes back and said we're gonna appeal this. They never appealed it. Why not? They'd have never won.   It would have been appealed to the eleventh circuit in Atlanta. They would have never won. Right?  

So there's a perfect example of an interpretive regulation. Now your next question, Julie,   well, how do I   differentiate   them?   Right?   You differentiate them by knowing about the third type   because it's either a third type or it's one of the other two.   And the other two don't really make any difference because they're only put in the federal register to notify the agency that's promulgating the regulation.   But it's the third type of regulation,   and that's called notice   and comment.   Notice and   comment, Julie. You're taking notes.   And you can go through the rev federal register while we're talking, while I'm explaining it to you, and you'll find these.  

And when you find one of these third type, they're called substantive,   by the way,   because they have substance.   And this third type of regulation has what's called general   applicability.   General applicability.   That means it   well, it applies to all the SERPs.   It doesn't apply to the agency. It applies to the SERPs. And what you're doing here and what congress wrote into this and the APA   is a whole another level of due process, isn't it?   Notice and the right to be heard. If you've got a substantive   regulation and it applies to everybody,   you've got this extra due process layer   called notice and comment.  

Notice and the right to be heard.   So they put it out, and in big bold letters at the top of the regulation, you'll see   notice of proposed   rule making.   Notice of proposed   rule making.   And then they'll state the regulation. At the bottom, there's gonna be somebody to contact by mail, by phone, by email, whatever,   and they're gonna give you a time. You got thirty days or sixty days   give you.  

[01:21:13] Unknown:

K?  

[01:21:14] Unknown:

And so once that date is finished, however long they've got it open,   they're supposed to go back, take all the input   from the extra layer of due process,   go and reconsider   the the the proposed rule,   make appropriate changes,   and then they'll republish it in the federal register, Julie.   And it will say at the top, big bold letters,   notice of final   rule making.   So the first one's proposed,   due process,   then there's final rule making.   That's why it's called substantive or substantive.   Depending on how Ferris wants to pronounce it.   So,   there we've got those three. Well, you can look right in the federal register and see if it's notice and comment. Can't you, Julie?  

But if it didn't notice and comment, then then it's not one of these things that applies to me. It's just like that, and the judge comes out and says, only the CDC has to wear masks.   Christian. Now it was very, very interesting. Let me just add this because the after about a year, a year or two ago, they were trying to do this again. They may be trying to do it again now too, by the way. I'll add that in a second. They were trying to do it again. Somebody got word to Alex Jones,   and he put it out all over that they were trying to do this. Many times that will stop them.   But it didn't stop them here. They went ahead and promulgated   a regulation. It was an interpretive   regulation,   and it was only for the Transportation   Safety Administration.  

So when you went to the airport and saw video and nobody else is wearing masks, but   TSA members.   It exclusively   applied to the agency.   Now I heard last night   was an elderly gentleman in in   Washington state   who has showed up for the first time   with human bird flu.   It has jumped from birds to this elderly gentleman in Washington state. It's not particularly   life threatening, I guess, except   certain circumstances, but I heard them announce I was listening to Infowars yesterday last night.   I heard that. So, anyway, there's your three types of regulations.   Statements of policy,   interpretive,   and substantive,   notice and comment. If it's if you're a serf,   the substantive regulations are the only ones that apply to you. Now do yourself you wanna have a little fun, Julie?  

You got you're right there on the edge of DC. You can go in there. Sure. You got a library of Congress. You got you got the original federal depository up there, don't you? Library of Congress. Yep. So federal depository is our law libraries that have all of this old stuff in them,   either on microfiche or actual in paper.   Now Julie   can, can run up there. I forgot where I was going with this, Julie. You can run up there and get all kinds of information out of that Library of Congress. Here's what I was gonna say.   Well, let's say you stop let's say you get like me a summons of books and records.  

It was sent to the bank and other and me and others, and I was real green at this.   This is how I learned all this stuff, by the way.   I was very green at it,   and I said, well, hell, I'm gonna fight some bitches.   So, I took it to federal court,   and I had a law teacher named Gary Bryant is the one that hammered. That right there that I just regurgitated   to you, he's the one that hammered that into my head.   K?   Until I understood it. Now the unfortunate part was I didn't understand it.   I didn't understand it until my little hearing was already over. Well, there's a rule in the federal court system. If you don't bring it up at the lower level, you don't get to bring it up again.   So I figured this out afterwards. I figured out that the summons of books and records is an interpretive regulation. It didn't apply to me, but I didn't wanna try I could've taken something to the 11th Circuit right there in Atlanta.  

But but I couldn't bring this issue up.   And I'd already lost on the early ones, and I didn't I knew that when you get into an appellate level situation or above,   you potentially   are creating precedent.   This where you heard to hear the word, well, that's precedent. Well, it's only from an appellate level, one of the eleventh circuits or above.   There is no precedent at the local   precedent   because   they want these issues, if they come up, and things have changed or there's new they want them to be redecided   again so they can shoot them up this appellate level of the supreme court, and let's decide this issue. So if there's a Atlanta's the eleventh circuit, that's Florida, Georgia, and Alabama.  

And so if there's a issue,   decided at the eleventh circuit,   that any   any court cases come up in those three states with the same issues,   there's binding precedent. This has already been in front of us. We're not gonna waste our time on it again.   So it's binding, but it's only binding for Alabama, Georgia, and Florida. It could be strongly persuasive   for the other   appellate levels, the fourth, the fifth, the ninth, whatever.   But it's only binding precedent in Georgia, Alabama, and Florida.   So that's real important, and I didn't wanna take it up not being able to get something real important in, which I'm gonna show you in just a second,   and and and have somebody rule against me and it be finding precedent in those three states when it wasn't correctly presented.  

So that's why I never took that further   because this is big one too.   Yes, ma'am.  

[01:27:23] Unknown:

Yeah. So can you explain so,   once the,   once the regulation is promulgated,   then it's basically   published and put into a,   final administration.  

[01:27:38] Unknown:

Oh, let's  

[01:27:39] Unknown:

go back. Is that correct?  

[01:27:42] Unknown:

Thank you for bringing this up. I'm negligent.   This is the third set of law books in the law library.   There's a whole ton of them. You can even find them in elementary schools for God's sakes.   It's called the Code of Federal Regulations.   There's three, the the general statutes at large, the United States Code, and then what we call the CFR or the Code of Federal Regulations. These are the agencies,   little laws they call them.   K?   Now   you wanna find out and go back and research. Let's say, Julie,   that you get hit with the summons and books and records.   And you go, well, I wanna see. The only thing here that they can do that apply to me   are over here called substantive, and they have notice and comment.  

The others don't.   So I wanna go over to the federal depository.   I'm gonna go back either in the hard books or in the microfiche,   and I'm gonna go search out this regulation that they're citing here in this summons for books and records.   K?   We wanna find out a little bit about it. So I could go to that original regulation   and look, and at the bottom,   it that doesn't have notice in common anywhere on it.   Attached to it, nothing. This is the latest regulation,   but we can trace it back.   We can view its history.   So we go to the bottom of that reg   down, and we go to that regulation that is not now we know notice and comment.  

And at the bottom, they've got those brackets, not parentheses, but the bracket things.   And if this is a renewal or an update of a previous regulation,   the previous regulation will be in those brackets.   So you go back and trace that one down. Does it have notice and comment attached to it?   No.   Is there another one of these trace things? Well, yeah.   Well, where does it go back to now?   You'll never find them earlier than the internal revenue code in 1954.   Put in after Brown versus Board of Education,   they'd merge Plessy v Ferguson   and Brown versus Board. Now we're all one.  

Now they put that damn internal revenue code in there. Revenue code 1954,   it was put in sixty days after Brown versus Board of Education was announced.   Now we can go back and go, hey.   This isn't a notice and comment regulation, you thieving bastards.   You gotta give me a notice and comment,   substantive regulations.   Those are the only ones that apply to me,   and they'll go away. Now, Julie, go back just for an exercise   and just start picking   IRS regulations and researching them back.   See if you can ever find one that went through notice and comment. I'll bet you can't.   It's right there.  

Roger? But if you don't know all this stuff, I've spent an hour or so explaining to you. You don't know what it is. You don't know how to read it. You don't know how to look back. You'd have no idea what that means if you did.   Yes, Julie.  

[01:31:22] Unknown:

So which has press precedence   over,   the other? You have the statutes at large, you have the code of federal regulations, and you have the United States code. Which one supersedes the others?  

[01:31:33] Unknown:

I guess it depends on what your status is, doesn't it?  

[01:31:38] Unknown:

Yeah. Let's just assume that you're a serf and you're a federal citizen. Which one? That code of federal regulations are the final shackles.  

[01:31:46] Unknown:

And you see, that's what happens with us for you new students, Catherine in Kansas or Sausalito,   is that we can go back and trace that and see that those they just don't apply to us.   K?   It doesn't matter what it says, any person, any of that kind of stuff, that language doesn't mean any difference.   The only two regulations out of those whole   400 plus agencies   with all of their federal regulations,   and there are tens   of thousands   of pages of them.   None of them apply to you except for two sections of the Internal Revenue Code, both constitutional   taxes,   eight seventy one b eight seventy seven b period.  

P e o r d period as Fred Sanford used to say.  

[01:32:41] Unknown:

So all of the,   all of the USC, all of the statutes large, and all the code of federal regulations do not apply to nationals. Is that correct, Roger? No. No. No. No. No. That title eight applies to them. It tells us what they are, what we are.  

[01:32:56] Unknown:

Up up up up up up but and, go you need to go look and see which are the positive law titles apply to us.   The other ones are negligible, and it's not the statute.   They love to come out and hit you in charges of listing statutes.   What they're applying to you are the regulations.   Sometimes you'll see that in there.   Those are for the serfs. If they're eight seventy one eight seventy seven b taxes there. If you owe them, pay them. They're constitutional.   But otherwise,   not one regulation   promulgated   by over 400   federal agencies   apply to you.  

There's one code   that gives you both of them,   26   IRS.   They had to put that in there   because there's constitutional   taxes. There's people that do not owe all this stuff, including a bunch of them.   Okay?   But the important thing is in that one little important section that the whole IRS thing pivots on this right here.   26 code of federal regulation, CFR,   1.1   dash one,   parenthesis,   small a.   Right there on the first page, top right of the first page.   And what does it say? An income tax is owed by all individuals.   It's really significant.   They only say individuals   there.  

This is on our person discussion.   An income tax is owed by all individuals   who are   citizens of The United States or   residents.   There's both.   And to the extent of eight seventy one b, eight seventy seven b, all nonresident   alien individuals,   that's us.   Those are the constitutional   taxes we owe. But you notice they use both   of the other statuses early, citizen of The United States or a resident.   Why do they use   or, not and?   Because there's a bunch of residents that aren't citizens,   and they wanna throw the broad net over everybody.   So that's what that is. They're telling you who the serfs are right there.  

There it is. If you understand   the nuances   of these definitions   and what you're looking at,   you can go through this and unravel it just like I've done for you here today.   Roger?   Larry.  

[01:35:45] Unknown:

Yeah. Can you go over with Julie how you discover 26 CFR 1.1 dash one eight? Well, John John taught it to us.  

[01:35:53] Unknown:

See, that was the whole deal. That was their deal. They could take I when I'd give this presentation, it'd be three hours long, early days.   Three hours long, and it took me three hours of long history   to get you   up to a level where I could show you 26 CFR 1.1 dash one a and explain it to you and you'd understand it.   That's how twisted this is. That's what drove me all these years was that little deal right there where I knew   it was a connection for us into IRS.   I, of course, didn't understand all this other stuff, all the supporting documentation.   But I knew that was important, Larry, and that's one of the things that really drove me all those years to keep looking.  

I gotta understand this. They went through a hell of a lot of trouble   to do all this, to change it to that one phrase that makes all the difference, and I knew somehow   that that was the key to the whole thing. And it just kept me going for years and years.   Well, I now understand it.   K? Who else has got comments or questions? Okay. Larry again.  

[01:37:16] Unknown:

Yeah. So I guess you could say that   all of these agencies,   they're under   the jurisdiction of The United States. They're those agencies belong to The United States. The United States parade with them. When I say United States, I mean the District of Columbia, Congress Of course. Etcetera.   So   when you when you, point out in the fourteenth amendment   that we could choose not to be   and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.   Basically, we are removing ourselves from the jurisdiction of all those all of the administrative   agencies because   they are   included inside The United States. Correct?  



[01:37:57] Unknown:

Well, and and subject to the jurisdiction of what? The federal government.   So, yeah, if you're not one of those people, you don't have that nexus and that obligation. And that's what we found. That's what they've hidden. That's why they've gone to the lengths they have to hide this with all their little tricks   so that you'd say, yes and answer those two questions.   Now it's all built on fraud.   Now it's discovered.   Now it's fraud. I send them this piece of paper, and folks, they've got to recognize it. If you're new and you're listening to this today, they've got to recognize it. They have no choice.   I know you find that hard to believe. They've conditioned you totally otherwise.  

These people are weak piss.   They're nothing but paper tigers. And when you get this in front of them, they just stand mute like chicken ship eye and transits, don't they?   Yeah. They do.   Because that's who they are.   I'll tell you right here in your face, you chicken bastards.   You're nothing but slime.   Nothing but slime. You've been a plague on the earth for over two thousand years. And, yeah, we'd be benefiting ourselves tremendously if we could get rid of your asses. Yes. Who was the person that said something right there?  

[01:39:18] Unknown:

Me.   Big brand. Big brand. How about several   how about several years ago,   ATF had a notice and comment period,   and they were actually calling people back and emailing them and threatening   them   for their notice and comment.  

[01:39:38] Unknown:

Yeah. Oh, really?  

[01:39:41] Unknown:

Mhmm.  

[01:39:42] Unknown:

Well,   and I don't know about '27.   I think twenty seven's probably   non positive law also   Because the BATF is what they used to call in the twenties and the thirties, the revenuers.   They did.   And then as they separated,   here's where they formed the IRS.   The IRS was formed in 1951   in what's called a Treasury   Order,   identified   and referred to as a TO,   and they formed the IRS there.   I don't remember anything more technical about it. You can go look it up.   But notice the timeline here. '51 at the start of that decade, we form IRS.   '54,   we do Brown versus Board and overturn   is Plessy to get them all one, and sixty days later, they put the internal revenue code in there. The timeline just syncs up   perfectly.  

K?   Thank you, Brent.   Anybody else got something?  

[01:40:55] Unknown:

Title 27 is nonpositive.  

[01:40:57] Unknown:

There you go.   I I I could've bet my bet the house on it, Rick.  

[01:41:06] Unknown:

I have a comment, Roger.  

[01:41:08] Unknown:

Well, there's there's mister Joe. Hey, Joe.  

[01:41:14] Unknown:

As long as I've been at it,   and I've not been into the depths that you have earlier   legally. But this to me,   this is some of the best   information   you can put out, and you   I would appreciate it if you would keep   shoving this in front of people,   myself included,   because   this what you've done this morning   drives   the national status home   and really what what it means, and I thank you for that.  

[01:41:54] Unknown:

Joe, you're very welcome.   It's my job,   as they   say. So these are all the things that I've learned over these years on this How Bills Are Made. Julie, you can go to the government printing office   and buy that little pamphlet, how bills are made, and it'll lay all this out to you. It may not explain it all, but it'll lay it all out to you.   Anybody else can do that too.   Yes, sir. Is   Yeah. Gary?  

[01:42:27] Unknown:

Yes.  

[01:42:28] Unknown:

Hey, Gary. There's one thing that corresponds with the fifty one and fifty four time frames, nineteen fifty one and fifty four,   you haven't mentioned, and that is   computing   power.  

[01:42:41] Unknown:

Mhmm. Yeah. Probably.  

[01:42:43] Unknown:

In the early fifties, we started developing computers enough   that allowed them to   whether it was with key cards or what, it doesn't matter,   that allowed them to start tracking everybody.   That was in the fifties. And of course, computers have gotten smaller and smaller and more technologically   advanced   ever since then.  

[01:43:06] Unknown:

Yeah.   Boy, I'll say. Yeah. You you the the cell phone you're holding,   that it's more advanced than some of the early satellites.   Tell me. I'd like to hear yes. I'd like to hear on all this what I just laid out to you in an hour and twenty minutes.   It's just like Gary said, we've been around this a long time. Folks, you're never gonna hear all that in one setting.   And I can't stress its importance to you. I just can't stress it enough if you're new. That may seem like a lot of information to you overwhelming.   Just go back over it. Drill practice rehearse. That's the only way we learn anything.  

Go back over it and over it. And that's why people like hearing this information again, even though they may have been around here ten years or more.   They've grown. It reinforces   what they knew. They probably saw something or realized something different out of it they had never before.   So over and over and over again, you cannot hear these basics enough. You flat ass can't do it. Now who else who who has some comments or questions there?  

[01:44:15] Unknown:

Yeah. This is Bob.  

[01:44:17] Unknown:

Bob Bob.  

[01:44:19] Unknown:

Hey. Yeah. Just  

[01:44:21] Unknown:

just wanted to mention, you often Bob's talking. He just came on and said, Bob, just let him talk, please. Go ahead, Bob. I'll get you when he's finished.  

[01:44:34] Unknown:

Something you often mention,   but I don't think it came up this time. And I I find it particularly interesting as a word guy is where the word or where the terminology for the just Jensen came from, and it's the law of the foreigner, the gentile.  

[01:44:49] Unknown:

Correct.   Correct. Just Jensen is like gentile almost. Like, I'm sure there's some correlation there.   Yeah. The foreigner. Who's the other who's the other fellow there?  

[01:45:03] Unknown:

Hey. It's Doug.  

[01:45:05] Unknown:

It's   Doug.  

[01:45:09] Unknown:

Yeah. Oh, hey, Doug. Ugly Doug.   Yeah. How you doing, big buddy?   With a few teeth left in his face. I'm doing fine. Yeah. You're Doing fine. Right there with me on that, buddy. Go ahead.  

[01:45:25] Unknown:

Yeah. We could be brothers.   The,   so first of all,   you know, if anybody deserves the title of professor,   you do.  

[01:45:37] Unknown:

Well, you And Go go congratulate   Sean Hannity because that came from him.  

[01:45:44] Unknown:

What? He called you professor?  

[01:45:46] Unknown:

That's what that was what he called me. Yeah.  

[01:45:50] Unknown:

Well well, it's disturbing.   Secondly   so anyway and I really I mean that sincerely, and I appreciate   your knowledge. It blows my mind.   Anyway,   the second thing I wanted to mention here,   are these agencies,   and I think they are,   aren't they all separate corporations?  

[01:46:12] Unknown:

Yeah. I'm sure there are. They're also a creature of congress, Doug.   Congress has to bring them in.   K?   Okay. So there are creatures   of Congress   under the bankruptcy.  

[01:46:27] Unknown:

So here's my   posit here,   related to corporations.   Every corporation has to have a charter,   and every   charter   has it describes,   well, it basically only describes what they do do, what,   therefore, what they can do.   And   if they step out of that  

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Hold on. Let's say there's another entity that's involved.   They have to have corporate law bylaws.   Which conform to what?   What they're what they're applying to be a person for.   What are your biospecities? The policy. Secretary of state. This is done at the secretary of state level. Now I'm secretary of state of the state, and you apply to them, and they will issue you business stuff. And you're gonna pay them fees, and they're gonna want fees and all that stuff. So that's what Doug's talking about. But just just applying to be a corporation in the application   are your bylaws so they can look over them and   see that they had conformed everything.  



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So is the charter,   does the charter consist   of the bylaws? Is that what makes the charter? I'm sure  

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I'm positive it does, but I don't know for sure. This is not Yeah. My area of expertise, Doug.  

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Well, I'm   so, you know, long time ago,   in some of   the litigation   stuff that I've spoken about before,   I would,   and with another guy, we would,   confront   the violation of the charters   because it's charters are very   or bylaws or whatever, they're very limiting   to this. So I'm just wondering   on the other side good.  

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These are the things you gave to the guy that gave you life and said, this is how we're gonna do it, and then you get life and you don't do it. Yeah. It's it's a no no.  

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So what I'm   going   toward here is that   besides the   the three,   definitions   that you gave there   for, I guess, legitimization   of   what they can do, what they can't do,   I think this is another   angle,   and,   of   attacking,   the legitimate scene or the breaking of of what they're   what they're limited,  

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what they can do and can't do. Well, let me tell you how much I agree with that.   It's almost all the celebrated   Patriot cases you hear about these victories,   They were almost all on technicalities.   They didn't get them on law.   They got them on technicalities   of the regulation,   how it was promulgated,   things they had to do that didn't, or things that they did that weren't allowed.   That's where almost all of our victories come from.  

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Oh, so would you say then that that's the same as challenging the   the,   specificities   of the charter  

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or the bylaws? Well, they've been Are you equating that for being the same? Life, and they've been they've gotten life by the people that gave them life, congress. They passed a set of rule books that these guys gotta adhere to. Now just like the CDC thing, well, the CDC and the all these Biden bastards,   they passed this regulation. They know nobody understands this. Hell,   98%   of the lawyers in the country don't understand   what I just explained to you, and I was told that by an attorney.   Well, so they can get out there and pull the wool over your eyes. Hey, Doug. You gotta wear a mask.   Look. CDC   issued this this little law.  

It's all bullshit.   Now I do And I think one of the If you're gonna defend your rights,   you need to know this stuff and you stand up and say no.   That regulation doesn't apply to me for a couple of different reasons.   But first of all, it doesn't apply to anybody   except the CDC.  

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And I think in another way, Roger,   as Brent has clarified   Brent Winters   has clarified,   repeatedly   is   the I don't know what to call it, the law or   just the separation of powers.   Yeah.   These things are all which is a big umbrella,   but the principles   that   these,   were made from,   I I think they all apply.  

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Well, let me give you a good example, Doug. You're fixing to maybe experience it if the Supreme Court rules against Trump and these tariffs.   It's a very pressing issue.   There's a lot of very interesting nuances about it. What if they rule them unconstitutional?   Does Trump have to follow that?   No.   He doesn't.   This is the separation of powers right there. It's just like in the Supreme Court past a   central bank back in the eighteen   thirties with Andrew Jackson. And and they said he said no. They said yes. What did Andrew Jackson say? You remember Doug?  

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Yes.   Let me see you enforce it.  

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Let's see you enforce it.   That's the what we're talking about here. That very well may come up. Yeah. Boy, we're heading into some really contentious waters, buddy.   I mean, we're just in the front of it, and it's choppy already. Whoo. It's gonna get a lot worse.  

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Comet. Comet.  

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Yes. What do you think,  

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Tom? We got penny.  

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The penny's  

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done. Good. If he wants a pen If he wants a pen Last Wednesday,  

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last minting of it,   over, gone. Capiche,   see you. Nauseamos.  

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Yeah. The Tom, what you got? You know, what you said what you said earlier about Talk right in the mic. In the court, and you didn't realize  

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what's that?  

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Talk right in the mic. Is that better?   Yeah. A little. Yeah. Go ahead. Okay. Is that better?   Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It must be a bad day.   When what you said about when you went into court and you didn't realize what was going on until it was over and you realized that you couldn't bring anything up,   you know, an appeal or the next level up   that you didn't mention in the court,   original case. The the   expression   failure to object timely is fatal is very true.   You know, you just need to make sure that you put in the record anything that you feel   that might,   be able to be brought up on appeal and get your case overturned. So,  

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going in bring it up, it's Armed with the knowledge. Yes. When you you bring it up to lower level, you can continue it. If you don't, you can't. That's the basic rules.  

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Right.   Yep. Object to any of this crap that they're going on, whether the judge does this or judge says that, you gotta object. Yeah. Object   object. Object to the You can't do a blanket objection, but you can object on each, object on each Point. You know, each Issue.   Right. There you go. That's it. Cool.  

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Yep. Okay. Thank you, Tom. Thank you. It was a hearing. It wasn't a trial. It was a hearing.   No jury or anything, but it wasn't any fun.   Okay?   I promise you. You don't wanna be there. That's why I'm trying to instruct you on all this stuff ahead of time. We want you to stay out,   o u t, of those situations.   Was that a female there wanting to add something or ask something?  

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If I may ask a question?  

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Yes, ma'am. Who So you Which one of our wonderful females are you?  

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I'm the woman in Michigan,   and you brought up a very good point about our telephones, the cell phones,   and,   as opposed to kinda like a satellite. When you think about it, you know, the chip is from some other country,   and it's got the GPS and the email and all of your contacts.   And, now they put the wallet on all of them. So right there, you're holding everything in your whole hand, everything your whole life right there that they have access to. So it brought me   in the fifties,   I remember you know, they had party lines and stuff. Right? And my dad would talk to his brothers, and they would, you know, hey. We're gonna do this and this and this and then, you know, all these inventions. Right? And so I remember   looking at some paperwork, and they wanted access   to the property   to put in the phone lines.  

And so I'm like,   woah. What is this access to our property?   Not just a party line. They wanna record everything and track everything.   So would that have given them voluntary   personal information   to wiretapping that we didn't even realize? Uh-huh.  

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I can't answer that question just because it's long ago history. It's just not my ballywhip, but I can bring a new example up that I've been wanting to tell the audience and I keep forgetting it. So I'm gonna thank you profusely   for asking that question.   Okay?   There was somebody that called into one of these shows   and they're going,   something happened. And and when they confronted the company on it,   they said, well, you know, all these food delivery services you got going on now?   And when you make an order, you click on the terms and conditions?   They got all kinds of terms and conditions in there that apply to other stuff.  

So be careful if you're doing that.  

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Okay?  

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You're right. And someone told me line. I didn't steal from the eighteen hundreds. I'm like, they're still taxing us from the eighteen hundreds?   Well, my bell.  

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Well, you never know. But, b, you just got I mean, I'm very grateful. My eyes are are bad on close-up,   and I can't even use a cell phone. Hey. I can use it to answer a call or maybe do simple stuff. Generally, you have to have another magnifying glass on it even though it's enlarged.   But,   man, I'm glad I don't use them damn things.  

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And good thing, that's keeping you out of jail. So  

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Right. I mean, I I just hate them. If I didn't have to have it, I wouldn't. You know?   But I know some people are just absolutely have their whole lives wrapped around that. Be careful. K?   Remember hearing all for you. Alright. Hold on. The cell talking to this lady. Kept Yes, ma'am.  

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All of the other numbers.   So it really made a lot of sense that, we keep these cell phones private. Thank you, Roger.  

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You're very welcome. Thank you. Tom?  

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Yeah. My dad worked with a phone company, and, you know, he took me out,   working with him when I was, like, eight or nine years old. When you have a party line, that's just like somebody,   recording you   out in the public.   You have no expectation of privacy because you have no idea who's listening.   And so that was one of the things, but, you know, that's why they brought in the federal wiretap laws after, you know, everybody got private lines because people you know, if you're just tapping people and and violating their fourth and fifth amendment rights, you know, that's where that's where it gets hairy.   But,   there's something oh,   and this is completely off topic. I wanted to talk to him about it earlier before the show ends. Did you know that they can't that every human has a third set of teeth?  

That they they found a way to,   cause,   something biologically   to cause your you have another set of full of adult teeth in your mouth, and they can cause them to regrow.   And they're It seems like I've proven that something they're working  

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on. Yeah. Well,   hurry up.  

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Just hurry up. I know. Well   Send it send it to the Chinese. Wear a teething you have to chew on a teething ring again when you're 70.  

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Maybe I maybe I I don't know. But Never mind. I won't go there. Who else has got something?  

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Here we go. Maybe you can get in on a yeah, maybe you can get in on the experimental,  

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trials. Well, I'll start looking for the Internet. For us. Was that my buddy, Waheed, I heard back there?  

[01:59:36] Unknown:

Yeah, Roger. You know, when we back to what you guys are talking about with the cell phone and the things that they may or may not be doing that we don't know about,   a lot of times when they say these term terms and conditions,   and do you agree especially on these   90% of the people don't read that whole thing. That thing is so long.   The terms and conditions. And do you agree?   Do you know what I'm talking about?   I well, I've never looked at one in Hawaii, but I do know what you're talking about. I know what you guys are. You know, I figured them out. Yeah. It's so long that that when you're, you know, when you're renewing for Facebook or whatever, one of these apps   is so, most people because I don't even read the whole thing because if you're, like, scrolling   forever.  

So that person who brought that subject up about   the telephone and back in the day,   Hell, it's right now, we're just the terms and conditions.  

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Well,   I just heard that. They ordered some food. It had effects on other parts of their lives. And when they queried, the reason was   they clicked yes on I agree on the terms and conditions on a food delivery.   I just been meaning to tell you all that to be careful. Okay?   So One more comment. Anyway. Comment. One more comment, Tom. Yes, sir. Please. Oh. Yeah. Okay. Okay.  

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Let me let me let me get off speaker.   That also applies to phone calls. The FCC was trying to pass rule   that said if you let's say you're looking for a mortgage, you're looking for a loan, or anything. Somebody calls you up and they go, do you, you know, do you agree to us to allow us to call you? And when you agree,   you don't realize how many how much permission you're giving these robocallers   to call you if you're let's say you're looking for a home loan. Well, they're not they're not just you're not just giving them permission to call you about a home loan. They're gonna start calling you for insurance. They're gonna start calling you for windows and doors and all this crap. And the FCC tried to pass a regulation,   and these companies just went to war with them and got it knocked down so that when you get permission to somebody over the phone to call you about something,   you're opening the door to the Wawa West. So just another warning. Be careful.  



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It's a Wawa communication   world we live in. Comment. Yes, sir.  

[02:02:07] Unknown:

Hey, Roger. Wayne from Texas calling in. And, Wayne. Hey, old buddy. Yep.   Hey, your your great discussion. They prompted me to remember,   an article I read by Mike Adams from Natural News about one to two years ago, and it had to do with the fact that,   the COVID shots were basically mandated for many US citizens, the testing and all that. And I guess that was per the Cares Act in which also gave immunity   to the pharmaceutical companies from lawsuits that there's adverse reaction and all that. And   the key thing about that that Mike pointed out was   none of that applied to illegal aliens.  

That,   because of,  

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the go ahead.  

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No. I said, yeah. Yeah. That's right. But, well, there's a lot of reasons for that. Go ahead.  

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Well, the way I understood it was that, because,   being a non   US citizen,   they were exempt from mandated testing   and shots. Okay? And they would have standing to sue   in case they were forced to do it. Whereas, again, your basic US citizen could not. So if anyone's on the on the fence on being a national, I can't think of a better reason   to be to go that route because this boot bird flu stuff starts to get blown up again. Who knows where it's gonna go?  

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Who knows? And one of the reasons phi Pfizer and those people didn't have agreements of immunity with the countries of origin of these people,   so they could come back and sue Pfizer.   That's one of the other reasons they didn't jab them, but it sure shows a distinct line of demarcation between a foreign status and that status.   You made me think,   about a   video I saw years ago when Obamacare was first starting to   be talked about and almost passed. And it's a video and the guy's going through important part of the important part of the Obamacare.   Right?  

And and then he gets to a part, I forgot what it was, but with a really indignant,   indignant voice, he goes,   and nonresident   aliens don't have any responsibility   at all.   I said, you're right, buddy.   Yeah. Because what was Obamacare was basically a tax, wasn't it? It's what Robert said. Sure was.  

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Yeah.  

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And the other thing is, Roger, based on your discussion today,   I don't think those kind of provisions would have been in the law, the Cares Act itself, but I bet you there was a little squirrely regulation somewhere that helped, the illegal aliens get through, you know,   use their status to get away from all the mandated stuff.  

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Well, this is how it's structured to work because you say in the act, that's the the act passed by Congress. Well, then it's passed to which agency oversees it, and they get to make whatever they want up. Well, they can't now because of the Chevron decision   last year. But previous to that, they were con the Supreme Court said you're the expert. You can interpret it any way you want.   That's not the case anymore, but that's the way it was until last year.   Exactly. That's the freewheeling power of the agencies.   And that's why I tell you, here's the deep state right here.  

This and the and the and the judiciary.   And what do we know about the judiciary?   From Edward Gibbons,   the author of Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire.   His statement,   the first engine of tyranny is a corrupt judiciary.   We got one.  

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Yes, sir. Thanks, Roger.  

[02:05:41] Unknown:

Roger? Thank you, Wayne. Always a pleasure to hear from you. Yes, Larry.  

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Yeah.   Doug brought up that   agencies are corporations, but   that is true, but not entirely.   Some some agencies are not corporations.   It says in the, United States code   at 42   title 42,   section five one two two,   parentheses   g.   Federal agency means any department,   independent establishment,   government corporation,   or other agency of the executive branch of the federal government,   including   the United States Postal Service,   but shall not include the American National Red Cross.   And another thing is,   there's there's a lot of students that have to say,   well, you know, there's a there's a section in The United States code that says that The United States means   a federal corporation. Well,   my opinion, they're taking that out of context   because   the corp The United States is a corporation.  

And just like Brent said on a show   about a year ago,   the reason United States   and the reason state governments need to be recognized as corporations   is because they need to be recognized as a person in court in order to bring bring lawsuits   and in order for an individual to bring a lawsuit against the state or the federal government, that's the only reason   why these sovereign entities   because the state is a sovereign entity, which Brent mentioned one time on the show, and and the federal government is a sovereign entity.   They have to be recognized as persons in order to be involved in   court proceedings.  

So that's not a big deal, but there make perfect sense to me. Misapplying.   What's that, Roger?  

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I said it sounds totally logical to me.  

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Right. And what a lot of students are doing is they're misapplying   the the definition   where it says that The United States means a federal corporation, and they say, oh, right there, the The United States is a corporation.   Well, no. That that that definition right there   has to do with agencies,   not the principle.   So in other words Question. The United States Postal Service is considered   a corporation,   and it's and it's not really like an agency, but it's a it's a part of The United States.   Question. It's a federal corporation.  

[02:08:25] Unknown:

Okay.   So Joe's got a question. I've got a comment. I think Brent's,   observation is that's really correct. I've never seen a big deal about it, but you're right. New students get their get their panties in a wad over it. Joe?  

[02:08:41] Unknown:

I would like for Larry to explain   why the   Federal Aviation   Agency   and the Environmental   protection agency   no longer exist.  

[02:08:59] Unknown:

Well, I You need you need  

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to relearn   what an agency is or an agent.   They have been turned into administrations.   If you are an agent, they are liable for your actions.   They are no longer agency.  

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That's the little phrase notice to the principal is notice to the agent, notice to the agents, notice to the principal.   Joe just There you go. Right on the head.   Another thing, Roger? I've never thought it's a big deal. Everybody else does. Okay. So what? I, you know,   Tom's Tram's famous statement to the judge there in Georgia, How does a person live in a corporation?   Well, I pretty easy. I just go around, give them an affidavit, and go on about my life. I don't give a damn. I'm not violating their bylaws   because I'm not in that corporation anymore as a member, property,   whatever. Okay. What what was your comment, Larry?  



[02:10:04] Unknown:

Yeah. Getting back to what something that Rick mentioned about an hour ago,   it it seemed like he was kinda wondering how the   how the,   how Congress is getting away with,   imposing the sixteenth amendment, which is a direct tax   on the American people.   And I guess what I've come to learn and find out is   it's all about jurisdiction   because the sixteenth amendment   obviously contradicts   the apportionment clause in the constitution,   which which prohibits a direct tax.   And so the way I understand it is   the sixteenth amendment   only has legal force   in DC and the territories   and upon those who want to be recognized as US citizens or residents   Of DC. So it's always a jurisdictional   argument.  



[02:11:02] Unknown:

I think the sixteenth amendment's a total red herring, tell you the truth. Even even the Supreme Court can't identify and make sense all that. It's proven it was fraudulently ratified,   even though they won't recognize that, of course.   So I don't see the big deal of that either. Personally, I think it's already Roger?   Yes, Julie. Roger?  

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Yeah. Just, going back, and rewinding what,   Larry said about the American Red Cross,   is a corporation,   Larry. It's listed on Dun And Brad Street,   doing business as redcross.org   and with an address in Washington, DC, 18th Street North West,   with revenues exceeding $27,000,000   annually. I'm sure. I yield.  

[02:11:49] Unknown:

Julie, do you know who started the International Red Cross back at the turn of last century?  

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Humor me.  

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That's you lost. Mister Lord mister Lord Rothschild.  

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Oh, lovely.  

[02:12:04] Unknown:

Yeah. Jesus said then brother  

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Alright. Now hold on. Hold on. Why he was first Julie, what's the name of the American Red Cross? Or you what as far as what you just found   Yeah. On Bradstreet? What's the what's the complete name?  

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It says American   Red Cross.  

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Okay. That's not what I read in The United States code. In The United States code, it said the American National Red Cross will not be recognized as a corporation.  

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So keep that in mind too. Okay. Maybe I'll look them up and see if they have national. Maybe there's two entities, and they're trying to confuse us with equivocation like they always do. There's a there's no not a damn good chance that's happening.  

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Who who was it trying to say something that over modulated there?  

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Waheed.  

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Waheed?   What? Your boss your boss after you? Somebody let a pitbull   dog dog loose on you? What's going on, Waheed?   Have you ever tell heard Wahi tell a story about the donut shop with the pit bull? Have you ever heard that, Julie?   No. What is it what is that about? Oh, it's a pretty good source of my little pit bull loose on him. You can imagine   how Wahi reacted.   You can ask him. Did he have a doughnut to give to the fifth call? I'm back. I'm back. I I I've had a jelly doughnut. A customer.   Okay, Wahid. What do you need, big boy?  

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Okay.   If you look in the chat, I left an article in from CNN about the penny,   and the nickel is the next to go. This thing is garbage and recheck that. Let Julia plea Julia can really appreciate this because she has that intellect to understand.   But check that out. It's in the chat.  

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It's already gone. I went to Total Wine last night. I went to Total Wine last night and paid for wine, and, they round up in your favor. So no more pennies at Total Wine anymore in my area.  

[02:14:13] Unknown:

Okay. There you go.   Yeah. It was, I think And it was next.   It was costing 3¢ or 4¢ to mint one pen 1p?  

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Yep. Yeah. I'm sure it is. More labor than that than what it spends with inflation. So, yeah, it's already being phased out here. Yeah. So I had I owe Yeah.  

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The   nickel is next. Check out that article. It's I put it in the chat.  

[02:14:41] Unknown:

Okay. Thank you. No problem. Thank you, Waheed.   Okay. Who else So if the purchasing power of a dollar minutes   yes?  

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If the purchasing power of a dollar is only about 2¢ compared to what it was in 1913,   and we no longer make pennies, what is the purchasing power?  

[02:15:06] Unknown:

Now isn't that a good question, Lisa?   I guess it's whatever you and the merchant decide that it is.  

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Comment again.  

[02:15:18] Unknown:

Yes, sir. Mister Tom.  

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Hello?  

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Yeah. Comment. We're we're saying. Come on.  

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Okay. Alright. Well, I I always wait for your approval.   I said yes, sir, mister Tom. Yeah.   Okay. I was switching over off of the headset.   If if anybody wants to,   save all 81 and older pennies and half of the 80 twos are all a 100% well, they're 95%   copper.   You can sell a roll of 81,   year or older pennies on eBay for a buck and a half. That's three times the face value.   But eventually, once it's official that the copper pennies are gone the pennies are gone, you can melt them down into copper.   And the nickels are worth about 10¢ in nickel and the other metal that's in there.   And, I got a I got a couple of those, water jug, the big water bottles full of nickels I've been saving over the years and knowing that eventually it's gonna happen.  

And,   so   it could eventually be able to melt them down too.  

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So When I first got to Argentina,   you get to a point where you when I first got to Argentina, you get to a point where the metal in the coin is worth more than the coin's face value.   And then people start doing what you're talking about, hoarding them, melt them down, etcetera, etcetera.   Well, the problem was it was taking so much change out of the system that there weren't enough change for people to ride the damn subway.   Yeah. So they had some monumental problems down there for a while.   So okay.  

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Now 15 after Bad money drives out good.  

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I've been talking that's Gresham's law. I've been talking for pretty much two hours,   and I'm pretty much spent. So   after Julie and then let them go. After Julie and Joan, I'm gone. Yes, Julie.  

[02:17:18] Unknown:

Yeah. I just wanted to let Larry know that the American National Red Cross is on Dun And Brad Street as a corporation. It's listed as the retirement system of the American National Red Cross. So I yield. They   just hide all this stuff. High yield. And thank you for, all of the education today. I took, like, 10 pages of notes, Roger. Yeah. And it was extremely informative to go back over this material, like Joe said, over and over again because it's very important information for everybody to learn. And, we we can't hear it enough from you. So thank you for,  

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I don't I don't know of any other place you can expose yourself to it. That's the other part that's really important here. I'm patting myself on back. I've just the reason I've done all this is because nobody else had ever done it that I was satisfied with.  

[02:18:06] Unknown:

Yeah. It was one of the best classes ever, Roger. Thank you. I yield.  

[02:18:10] Unknown:

Well, thank Paul. Thank Paul, Julie. Okay, Joan.  

[02:18:15] Unknown:

Hey, Roger. There   bird flu. Right? I mean, people figured out there's not even viruses during COVID.   And so   birds are not spreading bird flu.  

[02:18:30] Unknown:

Okay. Well, this guy, they said, I heard last night,   he's the first person. He's not supposed to be able to jump from birds to humans,   but this guy   is the only one that has been done for. It hadn't been really detrimental for him. He's older. That's all I know, Joan. What I heard last night, I'm simply regurgitating.   Okay?  

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Yeah. I know.  

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I know. Because who who was the first guy with COVID?   Somebody out in Washington state, remember, in an old folks' home.   So They're gonna they're they're gonna keep perpetuating this COVID hype. Well, they Joan, they gotta do something. They've got their asses caught in every one of their initiatives right now. Their asses are hanging out all over the place.  

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Yep.  

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Okay. Thank you. Alright. I'm gonna go.   Paul,   you guys are welcome to stay and discuss this stuff if you want.   But I'm gonna sachet off here. And at the end of the end of a two hour show like this is   I have to focus on this so totally   that you try focus like that for two hours and see if it doesn't take a little bit out of you.   So,   anyway, I will see y'all tomorrow. Paul will be back and all that good stuff, and I hope you have a wonderful day, the remainder of it.   And I hope you learned something today. And like Julie said,   drill practice rehearse. It's the only way we learn.  

I love each and every one of you.   Thank you for being here, Shane, and everybody.   And I will, see you manana in la manana. And we'll actually have intro music and Paul and outro music and all kinds of stuff. So we'll look forward to it collectively. See you then.  

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Bless you, Roger. Bye.  

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Bye. I I have a question, everyone.   I received in the mail,   today, last night, yesterday,   Hayek   for the twenty first century,   essays on political   economy.   Anyone read this book?   Yeah. Hayek   for the twenty first century   By, missus Institute.   Guess you don't hear me.   No, Shane. You're coming in loud and clear. I was  

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I'm sorry. I was texting somebody. What did you what were you what did he this gentleman just say? I didn't catch the first part.  

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It's a book called Hayek,   h a y e k.   Hayek for the twenty first century.   Essays in political economy.   Hayek for the twenty first century.   Essays in political economy.  

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And I guess Who is it by?  

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Missus Institute.   Missus Institute.  

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What does it say?  

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It's a book.   Hold on. I need   to reposition myself.   I'll read the back. Let's see here.  

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That's Mises Institute.  

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Alright. That's Mises.   Mises. Alright. Thank you.   Mhmm. Reading the back, it says it's hardly an exaggeration to refer   to the 20,   twentieth century   as a high century.   Will Jones,   John Cassidy.   Throughout the century, Hayek   played in a prominent role in   critiquing   socialism   and defending free market capitalism.   Private property, constitutionalism,   and the rule of law.   Hayek also wrote   the importance of decentralized   knowledge   and economic   decision making,   foreshadowing   the advent   of the Internet.   Goes on to see a hike for the twenty first century is an   introduction of the hike and and his ideas,   which remain a vital and essential part of the intellectual   foundation   for a free and prosperous   society.  

These, essays,   impart,   Hayek's   essential   teachings   of the Austrian   economic and political economy.   Ludwig   von missus   nieces   was surely right when   he said that Hayek   would   be remain remembered as one of the greatest   economists   of all time.  

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Yeah.  

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Close quote.   So yeah. Alright.   Oh, but does it go into   a blockchain   ledger?   Cryptocurrencies.   Anyhow,   I'll read the book.   So it is a pretty good,   discussion today.   Roger keeps   hammering   or, not hammering, but   teaching,   there is another way.   There is an   political,   status  

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status   difference.  

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There are people who are free, and there are people who are in bond.   I am no longer in bond.  

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Yeehaw.  

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Yeehaw.   So it's new and exciting.   Okay.  

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She not on here.  

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Oh, I'm sorry.   I'm sorry.  

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I thought that was you, but  

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forgive me. Oh, yeah. No. No. I'm not more  

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I'd like to comment on positive law.   It's   it's really   what has authority   because it's been written down,   accepted over time,   usually backed by a god or gods.   So   a lot of it, I think, depends on who your God is.   The Babylons have practiced positive law. The Romans practiced   positive law,   but they were both pagans.  

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In the start of this country,  

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we   believed in   or a lot of our founders didn't, but   we believed in Jesus Christ   and   the foundations of   the common law, which basically come from the Old Testament.   And guys like Blackstone   said that if,   man makes a law that goes against God's law, it's bad law.   Well, about the time of the Constitution,   the age of reason   is there, and you've got all these philosophers like Kant, Voltaire, Locke, they're up they're all   in this mix   of looking at   what law is,   and   they're   saying things like well   man has reason and you can bring man's reason in, and some of these were very secular   philosophers   and   some kept faith in it.  

We slowly   went with this more humanist form   pretty much back to like Roman law   where   god is out of it,   and we slowly   drifted away from the common law.   And   you could   nonpositive   law is   anything they wanna make   up, but positive law would have to have that foundation   of   time,   which of course is nothing older than the Old Testament.   And that God   along with   the precedence of being used and written down in that society for a period of time.   Everything else really falls out of that.   But   the   and even   seeing the laws of nature.   Now that can be on God's side of the ledger   or   man's philosophy.  

So if it's man's philosophy, it can be become almost anything,   but if it's on God's side of the ledger, it's   literally written in stone,   so to speak.   So   it's   it's   been   I don't think   a lot of it's been done to   make us believe that   man has more authority over   how to live your life than   God does.   And I think we're   feeling   the force   of that decision   by taking God out of our society.   And   the founders   were part of that thinking because guys like Jefferson   didn't believe in Jesus Christ and the miracles.   He was a man of reason,   intelligent,   but still   didn't think he needed God.  

So   they   they've made it very confusing what is and what isn't   positive law.   If you wanna get the simplest form of it, I think it's   for a Christian,   it's the bible.   That's positive law.   I yield.  

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Good.  

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At least,   you know, our founders looked up to Locke,   more than guys like   Voltaire because Locke was   still rooted   even though he was considered himself a humanist and a man of reason. He   he never gave up the faith side of it.   But all of this sort of opens the door to   man making his own rules, and I look at it as nothing different than what Jesus said to the Pharisees.   He he when he was talking to them about the law,   he says,   you   have put the leaven in the law.   You've added to it.   You've distorted it,   you've made it Babylonian   law,   it's no longer law   that the Lord   would   see as law.  

The leaven of the Pharisees is pretty much   what I see as nonpositive law.  

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Yeah.  

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They put in the germs   and the bacteria   and   the mold.  

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And we've dragged a lot of these principles into into our system. You know, Roman law,   even though it was considered positive law,   was also   pagan,   and there's a lot of principles in there that we've justified   when we should not have.   And report on Paul, is he making it home okay?  

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Let's pray.   He makes it home safely to Booneville.   That's for sure.  

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Hopefully, he's driving home. Sorry. God God is with God is with him.  

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How is it said?   We'll drive off that bridge when we when we get there.  

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Yeah?  

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Boys, kids, I'm off to read this book.  

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Bye.  

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I remembered Stamper's book, which was written around 2000. He said,   they   guesstimated   that there were   40   local,   state, and federal,   45,000,000   laws on the books.   And then he made the comment, and God thought that 10 were enough.   And he also commented that,   when they signed the constitution,   I think there were four   federal laws   that the federal government was in charge of enforcing.   Some   two of them I think were piracy and,   and   debasing the currency.   I forget what the other two were, but   that was it.  

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This is Bruce,   and they let you pay taxes with him.  

[02:42:16] Unknown:

Hey, Bruce.   I   got a question. I kinda find I think I found out why they   put points on your old license,   and you were wondering about that. Is that right   Or  

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not.  

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Bruce? Bruce there?  

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Sketch, I I I never did get or could open,   the video that you sent.  

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Oh, yes. Okay.   Yeah. I I think it was too long for me to,   and somehow   I   my iCloud account or whatever, I guess, is full, so it didn't work. That's the only thing I could think of.   Okay.   I can tell you what basically happened. I didn't do it as long as they did, and I did paint it on wood.   And I think I did it for three minutes, and it did not catch the wood on fire,   And that was with a propane torch.   And,   like I said, I'm willing to send you so I I'm willing to send you, you know,   I guess, four ounces of that powder if you want it. You test it yourself.   And,  

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I'm sorry. Paint does four ounces make?  

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It'll make,   two quarts.  

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Wow.  

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It's, yeah. It's, I think it's eight ounces   per gallon.  

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I see.  

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And I used it on a quart. I used two ounces in a quart.   And it yeah. And now I like I said, the egg I couldn't make the egg.   I went through four eggs, and they kinda popped every time I heated them up because there was no place for the gas, I guess, to   escape. And then I drilled a hole in one, and   all it did was,   start spewing egg   yolk out of the top.   So like I said,   I I'm gonna use it,   but I couldn't I couldn't definitely,   and I did cardboard also, and it didn't catch fire, but I didn't do it as long as they did.   And like I said, if you want me to send you some powder, I'll be glad to do that and test it yourself.  



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Okay. I'll I'll send you the information.  

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Okay.   Alright. Sounds good.  

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It's getting cleared.  

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Yeah. Bruce.  

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Yeah.  

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You were wondering why they put points on a expired license,   that you had. Right? I think and you No. No. No. My no. It's my ID.  

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Missouri ID.  

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Yes. But they but didn't they say you have four points on your license, not your ID?  

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Okay. The line the first words on that line,   driver's license   number. And then it had the number   on that line,   and it had four points.   It tells you the degree of different points.   You know, if you did so many you you got this many points and stuff like that anyway.   It was kinda convoluted like stuff, but,   I have an ID. I don't have a driver's license. I'm not a I'm not a   Sorry.   Still   I can't I can't think of it right now. I got so I got so confused today, which is crazy. I was running my butt today. Go ahead.  

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Well,  

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I did I was listening to Ed George 44. I don't know if you know him, but he did say that your original if you did have a license, okay,   wherever it was, whatever state you   first got your license, that   signature needs to you need to get to that   you need to find the date you sent,   you signed that paperwork   for your original license, and you need to remove that signature from that that contract.   And then you won't be in their system, he he was saying yesterday. And he that he he did that, and he had a conversation with a with a, you know, big big with DMVs   in New York.  

And he he talked about it on his latest,   what is it, coaching session at George forty four on Rumble.   And Yeah. They they covered that.  

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Even though it's void now?   Even though it's void.  

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Yeah. Understood. He says that contract   remains in the DMV, and that's why,   you need to remove your signature from the original contract.   For some reason, that's that's what he he was saying, and he said, once you do that,   you won't be in their system anymore.  

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Okay. Now   who do I contact?  

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You have to contact the state   DMV in which you originally   signed the original   when you were a kid, I guess,   or 18 or 16.   And find find the date, you hit you're gonna have to contact them, find the date you signed that contract, and then get back in touch with them and say, I signed this contract   on this date,   and I want   I want to you I wanna rescind or I think they said,   I forget what the the legal term term they used.   But he said that's how you get out of their system as you go to the original contract   when you first got a license and remove your signature from that contract, and you have to contact the DMV from that state.  

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Yeah. South Carolina.   Yeah. Yeah. And it I I do have to have the location, the city or county or what? Because it's Abigail County.  

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I I wanna say   prop well, it might be just the state, but you probably have to get the date in which you signed it in order to be able to   say I signed it on this date.  

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You know? It's it's Are they gonna give me the date I signed it?  

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Well, I guess they would. Yeah. If you contact them and say I need the contract that signed. Yeah.   Yeah. Yeah. I need a what? You know, contract. What?   Well, the the original the original application you signed  

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Okay.   Is the contract. What I want.  

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Yeah. Yeah. And you can listen to it. You can go on to Rumble,   Edge George 44,   and his latest coaching session,   he he discussed that at in the end of,   I guess, the hour something session.   Uh-huh.   But you're saying that's why why people have so many so many people nationals have so many problems with traveling   is they have not done that. They have not removed their signature from the original contract.  

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Okay. Can you send me that on my email?  

[02:50:22] Unknown:

I I can. Just a moment. I'll write your email down. Just a minute.  

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Thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah. Go ahead.  

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Go ahead. Go ahead.  

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It's [email protected].   That's festus,[email protected].   No. Excuse me. Hey. One minute. Oh, I messed up. But after Festus   b h five two, that's the numbers,   at yahoo dot com.  

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D eight as in,   the number eight   or d a?  

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What are you asking me for? What are you You said Festus d eight five two. Right? It's [email protected].   The number five and number two.  

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I'm still   I'm   I'm still   Okay. I'm I'm still,   I have audio dyslexia, so it's very hard for me to,   so it's Okay. Festus Festus?  

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Yes. F e s t u s.  

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Yep.   The  

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letter b   b as in boy. Okay.   The letter h   Eight.   The number five and the number two. Okay.  

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At yahoo dot com. Okay. I got you. That's   at yahoo. Okay. Five two Yep. At yahoo   dot com. Right. Okay. Right. Yahoo   dot com.   Yep. Alright. I will do that.   I appreciate that. I'm so covered up with stuff I gotta do. It's just unreal. No worries. I I just thought I you were wondering why that happened, and then I heard this I was listening to it for some some reason. I was like, oh, that that might pertain to Bruce.   So that's why I'm in. Yep.  

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You know, don't you know, when you get into some situations,   doesn't it really come to you sometime? You know?   Yep. It's and you don't understand how come it's like that?   You know?   But I appreciate that. I really do.  

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No problem.  

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Ain't that sneaky?   Yep. It is. It is.   Well, thank you, Stitch. Yeah. No problem. Hey, Bruce. Alright. Yeah.  

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Look up this you got a pen  

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and No. I don't. That's no. I don't. I'm in the middle of doing something, and I'm   trying to get it get it done. Anyway, go ahead. What you got? Well, write write this down on your computer and your memory bank. I don't have my computer. Brain. I've got my phone. Yeah. You do. You got a brain?  

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Your brain your brain is your computer. Anyway, 28CFR29.1.  

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Okay.   I'll have to memorize that one because I'm like I ain't got a pencil or nothing.  

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Repeat after me. 2828.   CFR  

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CFR.  

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2929.   Point   Dot. 1 That was 0.  

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10. Yeah. Dot.  

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Okay. 282910.  

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Okay.   I'll try to remember.   28 I'm in the door.  

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Okay. So is mine. So what does that mean? Just wait till you get my just wait till you get my age.  

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How old are you? That my member  

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64.  

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I'm   72.   Alright. You're a young   pup. Like I said, this way, you get my age. You think your memory bank is gone.  

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28CFR29Dot10.  

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Okay. I got it now. It's putting 2928   together.   Okay.   I appreciate that.   Is this being recorded?   No. I don't think so.   He's just as an actor. Paul's not  

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I think it is Paul's not here today.   I think it is because Paul started.   I I understood him last night that he was gonna start the recording   and just let it run out until he gets back or it quits or something, so it'll probably be recorded.  

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Okay. Right. Don't hold don't hold your breath on that.  

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Oh, I'm not. I'm not. No. Hold your hold your breath and see how long you can hold it.  

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Oh, I used to swim the swim team.  

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There you go. So you can hold it. Yeah, man.  

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Yep. But don't hold it. Don't hold it too long. You can wait for Paul. Just Yeah. I know. I'm a fish out of water is what they call me.  

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I think if there's no conversation   for, I think, three minutes   and it's completely silent, the recording will stop. But I don't think it's been three minutes of pure quiet yet.  

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Okay.   Thank you.   Appreciate that, young.   But I just could not believe that they were putting points on the they got   ID cards.   And see, it didn't apply to me because I'm not a US citizen. You know? That's the whole point. It's scandals.   There's scandals.   Anyway, I gotta go do what I gotta do, guys. I appreciate you talking to me and helping me. Appreciate it.  

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Yep. Have a good day.  

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I'm trying real hard.   Thank you.  

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Blasting the voice of freedom worldwide, you're listening to the Global Voice Radio Network.  

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Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.