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On today’s Radio Ranch, I opened the week by welcoming new and longtime “freedom seekers” and took live questions about correcting political status and navigating the passport/affidavit process. Alma from New Jersey shared how she found the show and submitted affidavits for her family; we clarified what matters most is rebutting presumptions succinctly (including the 28 U.S.C. § 1746 jurat distinction) and why she doesn’t need to redo filings if State accepted them. We also discussed practical next steps parents use when noticing schools/CPS, and why simple, clear affidavits paired with notice can be effective. Catherine from Kansas asked hard questions—“freedom from what?”—which launched a deeper dive into the difference between federal civil rights and God‑given rights, “resident” as a legal term, Vattel’s Law of Nations and personal political self‑determination, and how students assert and defend status in day‑to‑day life (tax withholding, traffic court, firearms purchases, Social Security). Callers shared real‑world experiences, recommended study paths for new students (archives, “Trading with the Enemy Act/War & Emergency Powers” background), and resources on common law versus Babylonian merchant code. We closed with encouragement: take it one concept at a time, learn the language, and use the archives to review today’s chapters at your own pace.
 

• '28 U.S.C. § 1746 (Unsworn declarations under penalty of perjury)': https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/1746

 

• 'Vattel: The Law of Nations (public domain text)': https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Law_of_Nations

 

• 'The Slaughter-House Cases, 83 U.S. 36 (1873)': https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/83/36/

 

• 'United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)': https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/169/649/

 

• 'Trading with the Enemy Act (Chapter 53, Title 50)': https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/chapter-53

 

• 'Executive Order 12369 — President’s Private Sector Survey on Cost Control (Grace Commission)': https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/executive-order-12369-presidents-private-sector-survey-cost-control

 

• 'The Arlington Institute': https://arlingtoninstitute.org

 

• 'Truthstream Media (Melissa & Aaron Dykes)': https://www.truthstreammedia.com

 

• 'Common Lawyer (Brent Allan Winters)': https://commonlawyer.com

 

• 'Colossians 2:20 (Bible Gateway)': https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Colossians%202%3A20&version=ESV

 

• 'Proton Mail': https://proton.me

 

• 'FreeConferenceCall': https://www.freeconferencecall.com

 

• 'Miles Franklin Precious Metals': https://www.milesfranklin.com

 

[00:00:34] Unknown:

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[00:02:15] Unknown:

Yes.   As would we there, Alvin. Thank you for ushering us in   here, to another start of a week on a Monday. It's that Monday, Monday day kind of thing. Hopefully, it's a good one.   Hopefully, you had a good weekend.   And,   it is, of course, the Radio Ranch. Roger Sales, your host, and it is, November   17.   Pretty close to that turkey day here.   Comes up in a pretty quick. And,   of course, we've got I think on Mondays, we have the wider contingent, Roger Sales, your host, of course. And, so Paul will   inform us as to which of those folks are with us today.  

[00:02:57] Unknown:

Hi, Paul. Very, very light, very light contingent today.   We're on eurofolkradio.com,   and we're on Global Voice Radio Network. Eurofolkradio.com   brought to us by pastor Eli James, of course,   and Global Voice Network, my pet project I've been doing for, like, ten years   off and on. Whatever.   Our website, thematrixdocs.com,   where you'll find links to free conference calls so you can join us live on the show.   That's about it, Raj.   No John Kacera.   No WDRN   productions.   It's just   you, me, and the cast   of awesomeness.  

[00:03:37] Unknown:

No. No. It's me and you   and a dog named Blue   or a cat named a cat named whatever your cat's name is. So Abby.   Abby. You and me and a cat named Abby.  

[00:03:52] Unknown:

She's sleeping in the bedroom. So Okay.  

[00:03:55] Unknown:

Alright.   Alright. So good. Good. Good on you. We had a good show on Saturday, I thought. It's really nice to open up the show. And   Tom from California   could just couldn't wait to get in here and start talking, and it opened up the whole two hours. A good show.   A lot of good stuff to discuss.  

[00:04:13] Unknown:

We almost didn't have an archive of that.  

[00:04:16] Unknown:

Almost. That's right.  

[00:04:18] Unknown:

No. Pod home failed the,   the recording, the live stream.  

[00:04:22] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[00:04:25] Unknown:

I had to pull I had to pull an archive out of the the numerous back end recordings that I have going on and reassemble a show and then upload it in the afternoon.   We almost didn't have an archive for Saturday. That would have been terrible.  

[00:04:38] Unknown:

Well, it would have been because that was a good program.   Had some new folks on.   John from Idaho may be listening today.   So that's always good. Well, here we go. Don't know if John will be with us. Kinda missing John.   I know he had some marketing class he was taking that was crowding his time here,   but we'll have to reach out to the boy and find out what's going on with him. He's been a part of this show, well, since the beginning, really.   So, miss seeing   him.   The show is for, new people looking for freedom.   I I I sometimes say good morning, freedom seekers, but we got a lot of people here that have been freedom finders.  

But there probably are some other freedom seekers out there. And what we try and do is   provide a forum where if, if any of this titillates you,   that embers of of freedom are still smoldering in your heart and,   all of a sudden somebody comes along with a fan or something, gets them started up again, that fire's burning. We can quench that   and, and and give you answers. And that's what we're here for. We get up, every morning, Paul and   Abby, and and everybody else gets up to,   to have this program so we can ask you if you got any questions. Really?   That's kinda what it is. So, if you are of that ilk,   this place you found it. All you have to do is quit being shy   and hit star six on your little   dial pad there and come on in and say hi, Roger.  

We will become acquainted, and I will attempt the best I can to answer your questions. If I can't,   if you've been listening, you know, this kind of a brain trust, there's,   some pretty bright people on here that,   oh, or just have all kinds of unique talents on digging and researching and stuff. And if I can't answer your question, they probably can. So good morning, everybody. Hope you're doing alright.   Does anybody got anything to start the show off with? We can get lively here pretty quick, or you wanna sit back and let me develop something.  

[00:06:54] Unknown:

Hi, Walter. This is Alma from New Jersey.  

[00:06:57] Unknown:

Alma,   one of my faves. Hi, Alma. Boy, there's some crap going on in Mexico.   I just got finished seeing,   videos of these big, huge riots down there. Have you do you know about that?  

[00:07:12] Unknown:

Yeah. I saw a little bit about it in the you know, in in I think it was   it was YouTube, I think, that I saw, and I'm like, oh, it's turning really ugly there.  

[00:07:25] Unknown:

It it it is. And you can go   if you wanna go back, there was a a Mexican guy. He's American. I'm sure he's naturalized, but he's been down there.   And he had a lot of video of this. They just got finished showing about thirty minutes of it.   Man, it's ugly. They're they're they're having the right they're they're taking manhole covers and busting them up   and and throwing concrete at the cops who've got their shields all up there to protect themselves.   And then the cops turn around, starts throwing the stuff back at people and hitting them in the face and stuff. It's quite ugly.   And you can go to, this morning's American Journal in the second half of the second hour as interviewing this fella and showing you all that   footage if you wanna see it. It, of course, comes back to miss Shinebaum.  



[00:08:15] Unknown:

Nobody pooped.   Cash. Yeah.  

[00:08:18] Unknown:

Hello?   Okay. Well, miss Shine Shinebaum is,   well, any any leader that gets into a position in Mexico is in a just a hell of a crosshairs.   If you if you get up outspoken about the cartels   and it's not like El Salvador now. There's Mexico with cartels, not just gangs.   And,   so if you get up up and start talking about them, they'll assassinate you. He assassinated   some assistant guy from one of the big Mohawkan or one of the big, provinces down there with his wife and his family right there. They just absolutely suicided him right there in front of them. So it's very ugly. There's another big demonstration.   I heard him saying Thursday   is one scheduled because Thursday is revolution day   in Mexico.  



[00:09:06] Unknown:

Yeah. I think so. Yeah. Mhmm. That's what he was saying. Here for, you know, like, more than twenty five years.  

[00:09:13] Unknown:

Oh, have you? So I yeah.  

[00:09:16] Unknown:

So I you know? And I've been down Mexico   recently, like, for the past two or three years only. Like,   out of all those years, I recently started going there to visit my my mom and dad.   They can come and go, but,   you know, they just go to California now. You know, New Jersey is too far for them and too cold. Oh, yeah. Only way. Far.   Uh-huh. Yeah. So they just so I go there and and visit them for about ten days to stay with them in their house and don't go out or anything. Right. What part of Mexico Right. What part of what part of Mexico is that you call home?   It's in Jalisco. It's a small town called Te Calitlan,   and it's it's near Guadalajara. I will say about two and a half   hours away from Guadalajara,   which is the big city here in Jalisco.  

Uh-huh.  

[00:10:14] Unknown:

Well, now you've been here twenty five years. Do you consider your Mexico your country of origin or The United States your country? I guess now you'd consider The United States your country, wouldn't you?  

[00:10:27] Unknown:

Yeah. I will say that because, you know, like, if there was any hope, I would say that hope, like, in the future way, way in the future,   my husband and I will go back to Mexico now. That's   that's something that it's you know, that thought is lying because of of what you saw. You know, there is no   people are not happy, of course, how would be how they would be with, you know, these, gangs,   cartel,   drugs, you know, the the the and all these things going on. And and it seems that the government,   is is just   not there to protect the people. That's something that they have to address. I believe I personally believe they have to address that, and they   have the the   ways of doing it. I mean,   the   they just have to, you know, want to, but it seems like they don't want to.  

So, yeah, it's not it's not,   it's not clearly there. So Uh-huh. Yeah. This is this is you know?  

[00:11:33] Unknown:

It's like this guy was saying.   It it's not just a drug cartel anymore.   You know, Mexico is one of the wealthiest countries in the world. It doesn't show.   But in silver, you got one of the biggest supplies of silver in the world. It's gonna be one of the most important   metals out there. You've got gas reserves,   all that kind of stuff. And these cartels have leached into all those businesses.   Plus they're going around in small cities like the one you're probably from,   and they go around and do an extortion tactic on business owners, you know, pay me or your house won't burn down, that kind of thing.   So it's very sad, and, I'm I'm glad you made it up and out of there. And,   I'm glad you found us, Alma.  



[00:12:20] Unknown:

I found you. I'm very happy. And you know what? I actually   have two questions,   and   I have a story   to clarify on how I found you because it seems like,   I didn't follow your method, but I will explain   why. Okay. I have two questions about the the affidavit and the password. But let me tell you   this story. Let me clarify something. So I thought I was following your method, but thanks to, I think, Merca,   I've been in touch with her via text, through Telegram Telegram.   And,   and it it's how I found out that it it wasn't, you know, your method. So this is what happened.   Remember I told you that,   that I found you   because,   I attended a conference   offered by Arlington Institute   in in,   Berkeley Springs, West Virginia. This was conducted   or hosted by John the late John Peterson.  

So the speaker that day spoke about,   the birth certificate   and how   becoming a national can help you, you know, get out of the system.   But he didn't say any names or where to get help. He just, you know, like, laid down the information and Yeah. Make a statement.   Yeah.   And then someone in the comments mentioned your name. So I was on the website, all over the website, trying to find your name and and and using the word national status because that's that's what they said. Roger Sales   helps you with that with that national status.   So finally, I found this website,   well constructed website website that has you there. It's called national status info.  

So and it's it has the direct link   direct link to you to this to to this,   radio  

[00:14:24] Unknown:

branch, you know, and  

[00:14:26] Unknown:

it has a direct link   to your website or what I tell thought it was your website, roger s sales.   And it's a magnificent,   wonderful   website   that I thought it was it has   how to download your book. It has the direct link to your show. So   it's it's you. So it's there what I found the,   the,   podcast that you did with   with Diana Spingola. And and so I listened to all that, and I follow, you know, all the instructions on that website   because it talks about exactly what you said.   So   and and and I, you know, got the information, like I said, of this,   place   through that website   and the other website that is it has your name. It's it's royersales.com.  

And and who would it be? It it's not you. So   then,   I file that's how I file the affidavit.   Okay. And and the affidavit is for my kids   and following, you know, the instructions that it says there.   And, then when I got in touch, you know, when with Merica, she   kept saying, you know, like and I I kept saying I already did this. I already did that. And then she said, I want to help you with the affidavits of your kids, and I said, I already did that. So I sent, like, a picture to her about what I did,   and then she said we do it slightly different.   And I'm   like, how different? Because I follow I kept saying, you know, still   being, you know, under the impression that I was doing it the way that you that that that well, that you did it because of the website. And I'm, like, confused, a little bit of confused. So   what does she mean with different if I follow? And I kept saying, but I follow this, and I sent the link and then to to her on where I went, and then here it is when she says   that's not Rogers' main website. And I'm like,   oh, that's what she means.  

So I did it, you know, through through that. So my question is because it seems like she didn't she just posted you know, I followed the post that she posted in the group because she was very kind to get me in the group she has, the,   telegraph group she has. Correct. Uh-huh. And then it says yeah.  

[00:17:05] Unknown:

Hello?   Mhmm.  

[00:17:08] Unknown:

I'm here. I have a big drink of liquid.  

[00:17:11] Unknown:

Oh, okay. I'm sorry.   And then,   well, then then she said,   well,   in one comment said for people that   that you're not coming or are new here and and and didn't follow our method,   it seems that we have to do it again. So my question is,   if I have to do I mean, I have affidavit here, and if you have time, I can read to you what it is. And if and if it's not good, then I guess I need to redo it. Let me But the question is also when I redo yeah. Go ahead. I'm sorry. I was just gonna say, I wanna thank Mirka and Dave and Kaye. Those are two students that have put these resources up.  

[00:17:51] Unknown:

You know, in   it it it it is   it's not   necessarily   what you say.   It's   does what you say   rebut the presumption   that everybody's   under?   So it's not exactly a verbatim, this, this, this, this, and everybody's gotta say that.   But what you've got to say, you've got to rebut the presumption. In other words, I my children are nationals. My husband and I are nationals. My children are nationals, etcetera. See, they can't overcome that.   But, anyway, go on, if you wanna read a little bit of it. It's, you know,   almost like the the one sentence on the state department website.   It's so simple.  

I, you know, Alma from New Jersey,   do solemnly swear my intent to be a national and not a citizen in The United States. Like, that's all you have to say.   K? So it's not necessarily   what you say, it's what does what you say accomplish.   You got to rebut that presumption either by telling them what you are   or telling them what you're not.   Now by that, I mean let me share let me explain this to you and expand a little bit on it.   We used to think this was a color thing,   you know, a black and a white thing because it accentuates so much on blacks.   And so, you would go in there and say, I am not   a derived or of,   a hereditament or attached to   former black slaves who were given federal citizenship after the civil war.  

So we used to say it that way and not knowing that that's not but they recognize it. Okay?   But it's just you got to rebut the presumption. So what did, read us a little bit of what, Merka   I try and express to everybody, keep it as simple as possible.   K?   Short, simple as possible.  

[00:19:58] Unknown:

Yeah. Well, this is this is what I what I wrote. And, again, I follow instructions of that website. It would say, I, Alma Arolano,   being duly sworn under the penalty of perjury of the laws of The United States, hereby declare my intention   and desire to be a national with God given constitutionally   protected rights and not a citizen of The United States   in a condition of voluntary servitude   with civil rights under the scope and purview of the fourteenth amendment. Yeah. Well, that's my those are my words.  

[00:20:33] Unknown:

I I wrote that. Go ahead.  

[00:20:36] Unknown:

As a national, I am nonresident to the residency   and alien to the condition of voluntary   servitude   of the fourteenth amendment.   National status is identified   at 26   c f r CFR   one one   one parenthesis   a as a nonresident   alien. And then, you know, the date, that it it will sign,   before   the,   the notary. Now for my kids, it it has the same   except that, I signed for them, but it has, like, I, Ricardo Arellano, the same thing I just read to you. But then it I signed   as a mother saying,   at   the bottom, it says Ricardo Arellano,   Minor   minor child,   by mother, Alma Arellano. So that's that's how I did it. So   I just, you know, I just want to do things   the the right way   because I want my kids out of there and myself and my husband be out of there.  

And if I need to redo it, then I will. But Well, no. Question, you know? No? Yeah. No. You don't have to redo it.  

[00:21:51] Unknown:

And when did you send those in?  

[00:21:55] Unknown:

Okay. These were sent on   10/06/2025.   I received an email, in fact, from the passport agency   last week for my husband and I that they were started to be in the process   reviewing the information. And this morning, I got my kids. So I was a little nervous not because, you know,   because I know that if I redo an affidavit, the previous affidavit for what kindly Markham mentioned to me, it's just   it it completely,   cancels out the previous affidavit if I if I write a new one. But the thing is that the passports,   you   you know, like, if I needed also to apply for a new passport since I,   you know   and and I I   choose now apply for them, so if I needed to apply also for a new passport. But you mentioned that it's not necessary as long as I wrote that. It is it is it good then? It's fine. It's the one we use on the website as a sample. There was one thing that was a little different. It's not that big a deal. It wouldn't necessitate  

[00:23:05] Unknown:

you redoing it.   Would be it says, I, Alma,   do solemnly swear my intent under the,   under the laws of The United States Of America.   And I think you just put United States there.   And the, of America   is there's those are called   Jurats.   Use a little educational   moment.   Legally,   they're called Jurats,   j u r a t s.   What that is is a penalty of perjury.   K?   Now   in The United States code,   title 28,   I believe it's section seventeen forty six.   They've got 28 as treasury.   Okay?   And on seventeen forty six, they've got two different jurats.   One is for inside   The United States, or as they put it within,   and the other is outside or without.  

The first time this language comes up   within and without that I've seen   is in the slaughterhouse   cases back in 1871   when they're talking about the French butchers. Your your deal is within the situation, Louisiana and without the federal government. So they're talking politically here, not geographically   necessarily.   So what that means is   if you say the laws of The United States, of course, that's within the scope and purview of this fourteenth amendment federal citizenship.   And without   is outside of it. So   it doesn't make any difference, Al. I don't want you go back and redo it. It'll never give you a problem. I'm just telling you some of the real fine points here that other people may want to. And in our sample,   it specifically says under the laws of The United States Of America   because I understand that stuff, and I knew that's there. You didn't.  

And it's okay. You don't have to go back and redo it. If there are processing your,   passport and stuff, it's fine. Nobody's objected. They're not gonna object. I'm just telling you that and for the other people on board here. And you can go check that out. 2828   USC, United States code,   section seventeen   forty six. And there's those both   those two   penalties of perjury or giraffes right there. I think what you've got is fine. I don't believe there's any problem with Palma.   Okay. Just a second, Mirka. And, I'm sure you're okay on solid ground. Now Mirka has something to add here. Yes, Mirka?  

[00:25:52] Unknown:

So I was explaining to Alma about the affidavits.   When we put   as a father and a mother,   our name on there   and then our children,   we we want we would like for them to be in I mean, they are national.   So now the mother and father have control over their property, the biological   property.   Right. So that's another thing is important to do is, like, for us fathers and mothers,   making sure that our name is there and that we are in charge and in control of what hap what's gonna happen   with our children.   And that's why it was, like, a very,   it it has been very effective for me,   and I wanted her to know about that,   because they they The United States   officials, public servants,   have to see that we are in control of and we have the authority, not them.  

So and then if when people do do that, it makes it a lot more effective   so that the name of the child is not   out there on its own. It's on,   under ours I mean.  

[00:27:08] Unknown:

Oh, okay. We help  

[00:27:10] Unknown:

Larry, is that you?   Larry, is that you? You got your mic open there, Bennett.   Oh, she's backing up.   Okay. There we go. Go ahead, Merica. Sorry.  

[00:27:21] Unknown:

Okay. So, can it start removing people if they do that?  

[00:27:27] Unknown:

Well, they could've been they got a text and it threw the mute off. You never know what the reasons were. Go ahead, Merica.  

[00:27:34] Unknown:

Okay. So then,   what I see is,   that the public servants and public officials,   especially,   you know, schools,   they   they, like,   they don't they continue to reach out to you to make sure that you do whatever they're asking you to do because they feel like they can parent you and your children.   And and anything else, CPS,   another one.   So I ended up noticing   the education part was done.   I mean, I didn't even give in too much information,   even CPS,   that I am I she's no longer gonna be participating in the public system.   She's in the private. She's gonna be doing private education, and that's it.  



[00:28:19] Unknown:

Now did you do that in state? Did you contact or notify CPS in education? I'm sure you Yes. California   education.   K. Both. Now, Alma, if you don't know this, I'm sure you're a wonderful mom. Okay?   But, CPS, Child Protective Services is probably the worst agency in DC.   And,   so this just gives you an extra buffer   that those people cannot get around. Okay?  

[00:28:47] Unknown:

And and, Roger, it doesn't cancel the first affidavit.   It updates it, and that's how I write it on my cover letter. Well, that's called supersedes.  

[00:28:56] Unknown:

Yep.  

[00:28:57] Unknown:

I always say, it's it is still effective   the first date that they received the affidavit.   It just needs and it's updated now,   with this new super this new affidavit that supersedes the first one, and it needs to go into administrative our administer administrative file so that it is   showing to reflect   that information.  

[00:29:22] Unknown:

Isn't it curious? I would love to know the inside scuttlebutt on this up there in DC.   Just how much it's getting around. You know?   Right. And how many how many people go, what is this? What's going on here? They're starting to ask questions. Well, of course, now they're just back at work for the first time in forty days, so   that probably won't happen. You know? They won't see that paperwork for a while. But regardless,   Alma, you touched on both.   There are some other good ones too, and I won't don't wanna leave anybody else that's contributed.   But, so all these students, they get very motivated by the information   and what we're doing, and they see the potential and they wanna help. You know? How how can I help? What can I do? And so just a second, Merka. I'd Merka asked me that years ago. I said set up a Telegram channel. Dave and Kaye down in Lower Alabama. Kaye's got a good Internet experience, as you said. It's a really well done site. And she set up that Rogers sales site, Alma.  

I didn't ask them to. They set it up in case any of you   wanna get on there and type out   what this information's done for you.   Really?   And so, I appreciate Kaye and them doing that. I'm not very good at promoting it, and I'm sorry, but that's they did it, and that's what it's for. And then they set up this wonderful, Kaye did, this wonderful website, stacked tapped into AI, and   I'll do a lot of stuff for you. So,   Devin with his citizenship   handbook, Gary and Gina   with,   with with their trifold and all the work that they did.   You know, they had a group up there in this little town in Northwest   Montana, Alma,   named Kalispell,   and they were having over 50 people a week come to a weekly meeting on this stuff. And then Gary got sick.  

But, man, they've got a real solid group up there in Kalispell.   And that's what we'd like to have in cities all over the country is a group like that. You know?   So,   that's that's what's going on. There's been a lot of people that have helped me and helped our message. It's a family deal. It's a group   effort,   and, we appreciate each and every one of you and everything that you've sacrificed to do that. So, anyway, Alma's a beneficiary   of those things as you've heard her her in her own words.   So, Alma, what else? I think your affidavits are fine. I don't believe there's any problem there. What else can we help you with?   Or, Mark, would you want to say something?  

Alright. Hold on. Yeah. For  

[00:31:56] Unknown:

for Alma, I mean, she does do, notice the CPS   and, the education   or public   education department.   I send it to   the state   and DC.   So it's documented.  

[00:32:13] Unknown:

Okay. And they have no no see about it. What you probably do is write DC   and notice California.   You could reverse that. No. Write California notice   National, I don't think there's any big   problem there either way. Put both.   But I like covering both bases there.  

[00:32:31] Unknown:

So yes. And I'm cc the attorney general.  

[00:32:34] Unknown:

There you go. Appreciate it.   Okay.   Alright,   Alma. Let's see. What else, Alma? What else how can we help you this morning?  

[00:32:45] Unknown:

Yeah. Well, that that was pretty much it. You know, the like I mentioned, the question was, like, if if I needed to redo the  

[00:32:54] Unknown:

affidavits, then if I needed to reapply for the passport, I'm not No. No. No. You wouldn't no. You wouldn't have to do that. If they accepted it the first time around, that's good. You don't wanna go back and poke that again. Okay?   It's fine. If they accepted it, you're good. Okay?   Now if you get an email back saying we got some problems with this, now you need to come back and talk to us, and we'll find out what it is. Okay?  

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Yeah. No. So far, it says that they they started the process of reviewing the documentation. They cashed the checks already. So I'm assuming Okay. Well, that's a good that's a good sign.  

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That's a good sign that they're moving forward.  

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Mhmm. Oh, okay. Okay.  

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Yeah. Then Well, Alma, you and your brood   you and your brood over there are free Mexicans.   Probably some of the only ones in the history of the country.  

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Yeah. Yeah. I I believe so. I mean, there might be others there, you know, as well. But   so far, you know, if we didn't find this information before until we were blessed with   hearing, you know, little bit about this back then in in last year   when and it was last year when we at the end of last year when we attended that meeting,   and somebody mentioned you. You know, I hadn't had the   bliss of finding this website. And now you mentioned somebody put it up there for you.   And and and it like, I don't mean you're not you to visit it, but, I mean, it's so amazingly conservative. And it has your information and everything.   It's there. It's your pictures. You have lots of beautiful pictures,   there, like, in in your book and everything. And I'm like like, you know, the links will go to your   main main website.  

I wouldn't have thought, you know, that it it wasn't you directly.   But I appreciate you. I appreciate Myrka a lot   for,   you know, like, including me in her Telegram,   group,   which, you know, I will be learning a lot.   For sure, I'm already I am already learning a lot, and I appreciate her time, your time, and everybody's time   to do this for us. Because, you know, it's out of your heart that you're doing this, and and all I can say is thank you. Thank you very much. And and, you know, I'm sure I will have more questions in the future.  

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I hope so.  

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Yeah.  

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Okay. Well, thank you, guys. Welcome to the family, you and your family.   And,   for the rest of the audience, you know, I keep saying talk about this talk about this. Here's Alma.   A year ago, she was at a convention, and somebody mentioned my name.   And she doggedly   pursued this. And here, almost a year later, here here she is, and she's,   already invoked upon the process. So we love you, Alma,   and, we're just tickled to death to have you and yours. Okay?  

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Thanks.  

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Wonderful to be able to free people. Now I have to, in all honesty,   say that for me, this is also a selfish deal   because the more people that we can turn onto this that want   to go through it, the stronger we all become.   So I'm   in a selfish way,   I'm protecting my own status, but that's what John told us.   The only way I can protect my freedom is to help you protect yours, Alma.   You and your whole family. K? And the more I help you protect yours, the more mine is protected.   So it's a self enforcing   type of thing. But,   welcome. You're a wonderful story for us to tell,   on your journey to get here and go through this and your desire to be free.  

And, it's just wonderful. So thank you and and welcome to you and your whole family. Okay?  

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Thank you again. Thank you very much from the bottom of my heart. My husband as well because I'm sure he's listening. He's at work. She cannot talk, but he's always listening.  

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Okay. Well, fantastic. Well, nice to meet you.   Does anybody have anything to say to Alba, Alma or her husband or the family?   Nobody?   I'm kinda shocked.   Larry, was that you with your truck backing up that was,   that, we heard a minute ago?  

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That was not. It was Joe, and and I just wanna welcome Alma to our family as well.  

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Thank you, Lisa. Bad. I'm sorry.   That's okay, Joe. Well, no big deal. It's just,   I thought it was Larry, but you're backing yours around.   So how do So question. Yes. Hello?  

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This is Catherine Garcia. Can you hear me?  

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Yes. Hi, Catherine.  

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Oh, hallelujah.   I don't know Alma, and I don't know most of the things you guys are talking about. I'm new.   Freedom from what?   Because I don't feel like I'm a slave.  

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And That's what they want you to feel. Every  

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everybody I've talked to says they've gotten no financial benefit from doing this. They haven't seen any benefit, but, oh, I'm a national.  

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Okay. So Well, let me tell you what the been well, the benefits are hopefully things you don't see, Catherine. First of all, let me ask you a couple of questions here.   What part of the country are you in, and how did you find us?  

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I am a Kansan currently.   I moved from Oregon.   I was a over the road trucker for five years. I've been home for a year.   Been been home for a year. I was over the road trucking. I'll kill you.  

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Yeah.  

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And how did I find you?   My friend, Leslie   Shockley,   introduced me to Pam and Dave.   Pam and Dave. Dave and the   do you know who he is? I don't know.   I'm not sure if I'm here or not.  

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Okay. Well, listen. Glad   Okay. Well, we're glad you're here.   And let me it's not you're not gonna   well, I can't say that you won't benefit from financially   you because you can pull yourself out of the tax system with this. That would help you.   I'm sure. But Yeah. It's really what it abates them from doing.   Have you ever heard of a guy named Goerta,   g o e r t e t h e, I think?  

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G o e r t e? No. I haven't.  

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Well, he's a German philosopher from back in the Hegel and those kind of days when those guys were in Germany.   He wrote a a, opera called Faust   about a young man who'd cut a deal with the devil. Did you ever heard of that before?   Yeah. Okay. Well, he wrote Faust. Okay.   And so he this is his saying, and it,   directly   applies   to what you opened up with. K?   And it says, there are none so hopelessly   enslaved   as those who falsely   believe they are   free.   Uh-huh. There are none so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely   believe they're free. Now you said a minute ago, you felt free. Right?  



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Free from what?  

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Well, I'm gonna ask you if you'll give me an a give me an answer.  

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Yeah. I I feel free. I do feel free. Although   our taxes on our property here are outrageous.  

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I feel free. Yes, ma'am. Okay. Well, let me ask you this question. What can you do   without a license, a permit, or permission?  

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I can speak.  

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Okay. For a little while, they're trying to curtail that.  

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Yeah.   True.  

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Okay. So this is back to that Gerta thing.   And what it frees you from is there's two types of laws,   two categories. One is called we mentioned it the other day.   You know, but but but but and now I can't remember.   In person   malice   in say,   malice bad in say,   a crime within itself,   and malaprohibita,   which is man made laws saying, hey, Catherine, you can't spit on the   sidewalk.   Okay?   One is God's laws,   and the other are man's laws.   And that's what our whole country is being run by right now. When you hear the term the deep state,   What is the deep state?  

Well, it's all these administrative agencies that grew up about ninety something years ago   after the 1933   bankruptcy where they took away our gold.   And so,   those are man made laws, and that's what we relieve you from.   So of over the 600 plus   agencies up there in DC,   I think that's how many there are,   The only two regulations   that apply to you as a national   are two very obscure   taxes   in the Internal Revenue Code,   eight seventy one b and eight seventy seven b.   Now those,   Catherine, are both constitutional   taxes.   If you got those kind of taxes and that kind of income, you need to pay the income tax on it. Otherwise, the whole Internal Revenue Service is a scam, and it doesn't apply to you anymore. Does that sound like a benefit   you might benefit from?  



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Yeah.   I mean, I didn't pay taxes this year. I got money back. So I guess I wouldn't benefit.  

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Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Comment.   Question.   Question.   Alright, Paul. This is   Paul. Every dime   did you get every dime you paid in throughout the year back? You see, people got that screwed up. They got it backwards.   Oh, goody. I got a tax refund. I got almost $5,000.   But if you go down and you look at it, they had 15,000   taken out of their check.  

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Okay. Well, I didn't have anything taken out of my checks.  

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Okay. We,  

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Alright.  

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We we were trucking half the year, and we didn't nobody was taking anything out of our checks.  

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Okay. Well, let me tell you the additional advantage to this is that one of the agencies it removes you from is IRS with the exception of those two codes right there.   And one of the big deals on what they've done here and intended to do from the start   is to build up huge amounts of debt, like 34 and $38,000,000,000,000.   And they're gonna attach you to that debt if you don't remove yourself.   Your children, your grandchildren,   all that down the line,   they're planning on that never being paid back and everybody's obligated to pull the wagon.   It separates you from that. K?  



[00:44:27] Unknown:

So if I'm not obligated   if I'm not obligated to pull that wagon,   the all of America goes down and I don't go down with it? I mean, aren't we all going down together?  

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Well, we may be. It depends on how well you protect yourself, Catherine, quite frankly.  

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Okay.  

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Roger, I think what she's trying to ask is if nobody pays taxes, won't the country fold?   She obviously hasn't heard of the Grace Commission.  

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Well, she doesn't I don't think she understands what the taxes are.   The taxes are the Achilles heel of these people   because it's the taxes   that go to pay the bond holders.   The people that have bought our debt, American bonds,   that through this system we're attached to.   When you're born, you're born into a condition of servitude.   They represent that by the birth certificate.   They take the birth certificate,   utilizing it as a commercial,   instrument called a warehouse   receipt,   where the paper actually takes on the quality of the good.   And so now   the birth certificate   represents your servitude.  

And because they have a property right on you,   they can now extend your working life as collateral,   and they attach it to the bonds. Catherine, isn't bond the root word of bondage?  

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Yes.  

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Well, that's what's going on. They they've got this system installed.   They had a fake bankruptcy in '33.   They put everybody in at that point, 03/09/1933,   as a citizen of The United States under the fourteenth amendment. Because hidden underneath that   is the feudal system   where they actually have a property right on you.   So now when you're born yes, ma'am?  

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So that just started in '33 when the that was the crash. Right?  

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That no. '29 was the crash.   We're talking about 03/09/1933.   And you can go look in Black's law dictionary, and it'll tell you what it was. It'll say the banks closed for five days.   Pardon me?  

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That's when the Social Security number started?  

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No, ma'am. A little later than that.   But,   but that is in Black's law dictionary. It says the banks were closed for five days, and they reopened   under regulations from the secretary of the treasury.   Well, that's the day Roosevelt took the gold.   K?   So there were no regulations   before that because there weren't any agencies. We were free.   And they didn't have a secretary of the treasury.   The secretary of the treasury came with the bankruptcy.   And if you go to title 28 again, that's treasury.   And I don't remember the section, but there's a sentence in there that says the secretary of treasury is the governor of the fund.   What fund? Oh. The International Monetary Fund in bankruptcy.  

So if you're gonna bankrupt a country and take it over, which they like to do, this is their MO,   you've gotta have control of the finances and you've gotta have control of the laws, don't you?  

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Yeah.  

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Well, this is why and you'll never hear anybody else saying this. I've yet to hear anybody, any pontiff even pontificate   on it.   The Department of Justice is under the same thing as the Treasury. They're under the International Monetary Fund. That's why you get all this squirrelly stuff out of the Department of Justice.  

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So,   how come more people aren't talking about this if this is what   we as Americans   want for one another and everybody?  

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Catherine, I wish I could answer that question. Maybe you can tell me. I've been trying to get this out for fifteen years.   People don't believe it, first of all. I can go prove it. I can prove everything I'm telling you. But they don't care. They still won't believe it. They've been you know you know Pavlov was?  

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Pavlov?  

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Yes.   No. He's a Russian. Are you He had a well, he had a thing called conditioned response. Have you ever heard of that?  

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Cut maybe.  

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Well, in psych maybe in psychology, high school or college. Well, conditioned response,   and it was,   it was illustrated   by the dog and the bell. Do you remember that little deal where they put a dog in a room and they'd feed him, and every time they'd feed him, they'd ring the bell? And then they could ring the bell and he'd salivate without the food?   Sure. Yeah. That's why.   Let me explain to   you. I've been very fortunate along the way. I had years ago, I had the opportunity to spend hours with a guy   named general retired Brigadier General Benton Park in Air Force.   And he's the one that had researched all this, that passed this along. So the source is irreproachable.  

K?   But what about what general Parton would say, say, when we were studying Freud, they were studying Pavlov. I'm gonna answer your question here in a second.   And so what he told us that he had found in his research, and I've never found anybody that can duplicate this. So I'm just gonna have to tell you this came from retired general Benton Parton,   an irreproachable   source,   and good luck finding it. They've scrubbed   this information.   K?  

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Okay.  

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In Pavlov's   experiments,   they took the same dog   from phase one,   and they took it to phase two.   And what they did was they didn't condition it to food, they conditioned it to a beating with a stick.   And so the same dog in the same room, and they'd turn on the light and they'd beat the dog with the stick.   Now the dog could escape the beatings. They had a parallel   board,   wood, to the floor in the corner, and the dog could go get under that, and it it wouldn't receive the beating. Okay?   So the second condition was to the light and to the stick.   Now, Catherine,   they took the third   stage and put the same dog in the same room,   and they turned on the light   and they rang the bell at the same time.  

What do you think the dog did?  

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He ran and hid under the parallel board.  

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He stood in the middle of the room and shook, and that's what psychologists   call a catatonic   state. And that's why most Americans   don't respond.   Now with conditioned response,   the more conditions that you pile on,   the deeper the response takes effect.  

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Yeah.  

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That's why people don't do that's my conclusion anyway.  

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Yeah. I definitely can relate to that. I I feel that way. I feel like there's so much going on that I just I'm paralyzed.  

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Yep.   And so what we do is try and show you what they've done.   They can't   come back at you at anything because this is their system.   They've built it.   They've gone to great lengths to hide this. And the deeper you get into it, the more amazed you'll be really.   At the depth, they've gone to deceive us. K?   Alright. What's your question?  

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There's a few things that are   inhibiting me from doing this.   Okay.   We're we're retired well, semi retired.   I'm 60 miles and 65, but I've really pretty much not ever worked.   I've been a homemaker.   So we kinda rely on my husband's Social Security right now.  

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Won't touch it. It  

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will that go away?  

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No. I am a No, ma'am. No, ma'am. You gotta remember, you're not outside.   You're still inside the country.   You're just the original status that ran the country for ninety years until the civil war was started, I think, intentionally   to put the thirteenth and the fourteenth amendment in there so they could control the world with a hundred years later. They've been working on this a long   time. They never   expected anybody to figure it out. And we can say that because of a letter that was found in president Wilson's possessions   after he died from Colonel House,   his handler,   who said,   we will this I can't quote the whole thing. It's on the website somewhere.  

Paul's got it up there. But it starts out by saying we will we will make them sureties by invoking the ancient pledge.   That's the first sentence.   The ancient pledge?   What the hell is that?   What's the ancient pledge, Catherine?  

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No. I don't know.  

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How about the oath of fealty where you volunteered into servitude in the feudal system?  

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Oh, I didn't know I did that.  

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Well, you didn't do it. They did it for you. But you agreed with it every time you were ever asked. You see? You're 60 throughout your adult life for about forty something years. They've asked you, hey, Catherine.   Are you a citizen of The United States? Are you a resident? How'd you answer those questions?  

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Yes.  

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Well, you gave you volunteered   into it, and then you signed something.   Okay. It's a trick. Well, it's fraud.   Well, all you're doing is going, I'm I'm unvolunteering.   And you unvolunteer,   and there ain't nothing they can do about it.   Nothing they can do about it.  

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Somebody said if   I become a national, I'm no longer   my name.  

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So if I'm not my name No. That's not true. There's a lot of crap floating out there in the patriot community that makes no difference. I've used my name for   I bound stumbled into this in 2007,   Catherine.   I knew all the rest of it, and I'd been studying it for a number of years.   Let's see. That'd been seventeen years at that point or the fifteen.   And I understood all the basics and stuff, but here's where the confusion came from, I believe.   They take our little status here, which was originally called a state citizen.   Right?  

And they relabel it. Over, over here in title 42, which is the, civil rights section in The United States code, in section nineteen eighty three, it says the citizens in The United States are equal to all the privileges and immunities   of the white citizens.   It says that right there in The United States code.   Well, here they call us a white citizen. Over here they call us a national. Over in the Internal Revenue Code, same thing, is labeled a non resident alien.   So that's why I believe our community never could track this down,   is they're chasing all these new labels to the old   concepts.  

So yes, very I'm hiding.   I would never have found this. I wouldn't know what I know   if   back in 1992,   I crossed paths with two guys named John w Benson. He was the law guy.   And the other is named Glenn Ambor. John has passed. Glenn is still with us.   And,   they were teaching this, but only as it pertained to taxes.   And then the IRS raided them because they had not figured out the Secretary of state connection.   We would just post our affidavits in the local property records office   to make it public notice   and then send it into the IRS. Well, the first few of those that went in, they paid out big money three years back   on what you'd paid in. And then when they figured out what was happening, they shut the door, and they started issuing us $500   frivolous filing penalties.  

Those are now 5,000.   K?   So that's how all this got started. And then I just doggedly,   I couldn't get it out of my mind. I'd always wondered since I was a kid what was wrong. I was a child of the sixties.   I'd always wondered what was wrong.   And I'd yell at the TV, and I'd do all this stuff.   And all of a sudden, one day,   this tax thing comes along. I didn't even have a tax problem.   But I knew there was something wrong, and I wanted to chase it.   First viable thread of information I'd ever stumbled across,   and here we are all these late years later. And the way I found this   was I'd I'd been studying it for fifteen years. I understood there was two statuses. I understood all that stuff. I just didn't know what label they put on it.  

And I went and and I was told to get out of the country twice by a big voice.   And the second time, I decided to move to Argentina   since 2007.   2007,   Obama's running. Right?   And,   so I had to go get a passport for the very first time. I'm like everybody else. I'm scared to interact with the federal government.   And I go get both an '82   renewal and an '11,   initial,   application. And there on the first page   at the top of the first page, Catherine,   is the answer I've been looking for for fifteen years.   And that's this.   Because the passport   is a critically important document, we learned.  

Because a passport by Vatel's law of nations, which has been guiding every all the countries in the world since the middle of the seventeen hundreds,   is a a document   which introduces you to foreign powers   by and it's issued by the Secretary of State. It used it just used to be a letter. Now it's this passport thing.   Well, if the Secretary of State   has gonna   introduce you to foreign countries   in your true legal personality,   which is what he's supposed to be doing,   then I guess he needs to know what your status is, doesn't he? If there's a ambiguity,   and there is.  

Because what they've done is they've set this whole thing up where it runs under this concept called presumption   of law.   And a presumption of law, if you go into the law dictionary and look at it, is a presumption   that's based upon another fact.   So here they get one step removed.   So they go, oh, we'll just fabricate this bankruptcy in the bond market.   Nobody will really know about it. And then we're gonna come out and because we're bankrupt,   we've got this position over here where we can make the people an object of our property rights, and we'll just move them all into this condition   simultaneously.  

That's 03/09/1933.   And so in the feudal system,   because the the   the   the villain and the knave were were property of the lord of the manor.   When they had children,   the children were born into the same condition.   So it's a silent   contract,   oath of fealty,   that runs generationally.   So every generation   since 03/09/1933,   when everybody in total was put into this condition,   every child that's been born is born into the condition.   So that's the fraud.   And then they ask you,   hey, Catherine. You said this is The United States? You're a resident? Yeah. Hey. What? You sure am. Where do I sign?   Now they've got your agreement.  

You didn't have to enter the contract. They entered you for it under fraud,   but now you've agreed to it every time you were ever asked.   How about that? Is that slick or what?  

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Yeah. So and what situation are they asking me whenever I sign my name on anything? Or what Usually, when there's financial things involved.   Buying a house.  

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That, taken out a loan,   a number of different situations. I'm sure there's others.   I haven't been up there in about sixteen, seventeen years, so pardon my memory.   But,   they're they asked you that throughout your adult life.   And here's to what I'm thinking about it. Remember,   even back in the nineties when I knew some of this stuff and I was asked those questions,   I was scared to say no.   But what'll happen if I say no? Nothing.   They're just getting your agreement that you're a serf.   And, you know, I mean, Catherine I mean, cat ignorance of the law is no excuse.   Catherine ought to know what she is. If she's gonna agree with me and tell me that she's in servitude   as a voluntary serf, I'm gonna believe her.  



[01:02:06] Unknown:

Right.   So if I'm not a citizen  

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No. You're still a citizen.   You're a capital c citizen of The United States Of America.   If you're a serf, you're a small c citizen of The United States.   So a citizen of The United States   and a citizen of The United States Of America   are a 180   degrees polar.   One's free, one's a surf.   So if someone asks you how you should attend Listen. I wanna tell you, Catherine, whether you do this or not, you're you're never gonna get any pressure from us. This is your decision. It's your freedom. It's your life. It's exactly like your spirituality.   K? So Oh, yeah. Whatever you wanna do is alright with us. I'm here   to tell you you've got a choice   that you never knew you had   and answer your questions if you wanna move forward. And if you don't, it's okay with me. K?  



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And I do always come across like the devil's advocate, so I apologize for that. I just I just wanna know my why, and I think that's the best way for me to come at it because then I can get   more directed  

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anyway. Okay. Well, let me see if I can put it in another perspective for you.   What you're doing now is you're getting your rights, called civil rights,   from the federal government under the fourteenth amendment, just like the former black Negro slaves. They were property too. They just moved them into a different type of property.   They didn't know they were still property. They probably did. Some of them did. They understood this to a larger extent.   But what we've got is those people get your rights from man. Those are called civil rights, and they're not really rights. That's why it's a small r,   And they're really privileges because they're given to you and they can be taken away.  

Right?   Well, the others that we keep talking,   told all the time is we have god given rights   and constitutional   protections.   But you see under that other status as a citizen of The United States, a federal citizen, you don't have those.   You get your rights from man. They're called civil rights. We the as you get through national,   we get our rights directly from god. They're capital r and capital d duties, and we have full constitutional   protections.   The other folks do not. That's why they have to go get a license   and have a licensed dealer if they go buy a weapon.  

You go buy a weapon. They won't ask you anything.  

[01:04:46] Unknown:

K? So as a national,   you can go buy a weapon without them asking you for a licensor?  

[01:04:53] Unknown:

Yeah. Well, they they might ask you something. When you tell them you're a national and they call in the background check, they're gonna go sell it to them. We've had that happen.   Listen to this story. We had a gal named Marilyn   who's in Frankfort, Kentucky,   and she had a concealed carries   license.   And she did what we advised, put everybody on notice after you filed with the federal government.   Government. And so she put the chief of police of Frankfort, Kentucky on notice. Well, the   police contact her and said you have to come in and turn in your concealed carry permit because you've expatriated.   And I she called into the show, you know. And they said, also, we want you to contact the FBI about this.  

And she tried. She called. They didn't return the call. She wrote them. And they wrote back and said, we don't have anything to do with this.   So finally,   the police department realized,   for one thing, their terminology   was totally wrong   because we're not expatriating.   That's trading your passport for another slave country's passport.   We are   repatriating   back to the original status that the country was founded in that they've hidden so skillfully.   So finally, the police department said, okay. Send us an affidavit or something again. It wasn't necessary. She'd already noticed them.   But, and I told Marilyn to tell the guys that I don't need your stinking   license.  

K? You don't need a license. You know, if you go in Black's Law Dictionary, Catherine,   and look under license,   the definition is   permission to do something which is otherwise illegal.   Now you can apply that to marriage license. You can apply that to firearms license. You can apply that to anything.   You didn't have to have permission to do anything   before 03/09/1933.   It's only after that this administrative   state has been brought in.   Now let me tell you why they did it.   First of all, they can fund the whole thing with this   because the deep part that you don't see initially, and maybe even for some time,   is that this is the root of everything. This is the root of their power.  

It's through this mechanism they can get you born into a condition of voluntary servitude. It has to be voluntary.   And then they can start a monetary system   because this is the start of the whole financial system.   When you hear people say there's no money, there's only credit. Right?   Well, this is where the credit spout starts. When they take your birth certificate,   identifying you as   the object of their property rights, they go over and attach it to as collateral to the bonds.   And they sell the bonds all over the world, other governments, investors,   etcetera, etcetera.  

So this is they're all money, m o n e y, which is really only credit, comes from that right there.   Those people   giving us some kind of funds   and   and buying this debt, which they'll get interest on repaid. K? So this is the start of the whole credit system,   which is upside down. This is the reason   because then everything's based on usury. This is the reason we owe them.   Well, they say we do. $48,000,000,000,000,   38, whatever it is. Well, that's all fraud because it's based on this.   So guess what?   No more debt.   It's based on fraud. Fraud abby   officiates any contract ab initio.  

It cancels any contract   from the beginning if there's fraud involved. Well, bonds are contracts. Right?   Well, you bet your ass they are. Okay?   So that's the start of the whole financial system. The other side is the legal system. Because now they have a property right in you, they can build up administrative   agencies   to man made law regulations   and public policy,   and they can apply them to you.   Once you go through this process, that's not the case anymore except for those   two very obscure sections of the Internal Revenue Code.   So this is the root of the whole granddaddy system   worldwide.  

Okay. So this would include that through the dollar. Let me just finish it on wrap it. It's through the dollar   being the world's reserve currency   where they can control all the other countries of the world.   This controls   everything.   It's big mojo. We got their mojo, Catherine. They don't like it. They won't say my name. I beg them to put me on their hate list for years.   I tell them their kikes and everything else.   They won't touch me with a 10 foot pole, and they've known about this   for fifteen years since I started.   They won't touch me with a 10 foot pole. K? That's why you've never heard my name before.  



[01:10:09] Unknown:

And what is your name?  

[01:10:11] Unknown:

Roger Sales.  

[01:10:13] Unknown:

Okay. You're Roger. Okay.   So they've been using me.   So when I become a national, do I get that money back?  

[01:10:26] Unknown:

No.   Let me what I suggest to people, if you get your freedom from these bastards,   take it and run. Don't try and get anything out of them. K?   Just take it. Be glad you got away and go run. Live your life.  

[01:10:42] Unknown:

And then somebody else said, when you sign your home loan papers, there's   something called MRSA or something like that that's   the third party bank or whatever, and they actually   stole   Well your house or something, and you can't get your house  

[01:10:59] Unknown:

from them. Catherine, I I wish I knew all the fraud that was going on. I don't know. These these people are so ingenious about it.   First of all,   I don't know how you'd fair going to a bank as a national and getting a loan. Because as the citizens of The United States,   now you're tied into all their administrative   man made laws, and they can control you. As a national, they can't. Now there are other places to go get money. There's private funds and stuff like that that people can find out about and access.   But that's what I think about going with the banks. MRSA,   I've heard of that before. I don't remember. I thought it was a disease.  

Chances are you're not gonna have to worry about that.   And if you're gonna go, but wanna invest first of all, it's the worst time in history to buy a house.   Secondly,   is,   they I don't know if they give you a loan through a traditional financial institution.   Now you might,   but I just don't know.   K? Yeah.   So you're looking for downsides. What can I what's the downside? What's the downside? Let me, let me open it up to the audience. I'm not sure how many people we got live with us today. I mean, any of y'all had any downsides from going through this process you could tell Catherine about?   How many people on the board, Paul?  

Well, Paul,   are you off chasing Abby?   Abby the kitty?   Lisa, how many people we got on the board?  

[01:12:40] Unknown:

Well, I'm here.  

[01:12:42] Unknown:

Well, I know, but there's other people. I'm yes. I hear you just fine. I'm trying to figure out how many other people we got. Forty, fifty, 70. How many we got on there?  

[01:12:51] Unknown:

Four when I called in. Alright. 60. 60. There's 60 right there. People on here, Catherine.  

[01:12:57] Unknown:

How many of you have got bad act back backlash stories from going through this process?   Please open the mic and talk to Catherine.   Catherine, I'm not hearing anybody answer, are you?  

[01:13:13] Unknown:

So can I no? I'm not. Can you hear me?  

[01:13:16] Unknown:

Yes, ma'am.  

[01:13:18] Unknown:

Can I can I ask something else then? Because   I heard from another source that not very many people have done this. Most people are afraid to do it. So here you've got 60 people on   you got 60 people on this call, and nobody can tell me any backlash or even how about if somebody on this call comes through and says, yes. I'm a national.  

[01:13:41] Unknown:

Okay. This is Bruce. Somebody Yes. I'm a I'm a national.   Okay. You're hearing that. I'm an national. I'm a national. Department and well, you hear all this. Very pleased. A national.  

[01:13:52] Unknown:

I'm a national.  

[01:13:54] Unknown:

Here you go, Catherine. Hey. National. I'm an I'm a national here. National.  

[01:13:59] Unknown:

I'm a national. I draw Social Security. I'll say it now.  

[01:14:04] Unknown:

National here.  

[01:14:05] Unknown:

Let's hear the benefits then. One of you that has spoken up, tell me one Talk right my Catherine.  

[01:14:11] Unknown:

Catherine, talk right to the microphone, please.  

[01:14:14] Unknown:

Oh, I I am. Can can those that spoke up, how can they   say any benefit that they've seen   from   being a national?  

[01:14:25] Unknown:

May I?   This is Matt. Okay.  

[01:14:29] Unknown:

Okay, Matt. Why don't you why don't you tell Catherine you're she he's mapped outside of,   San Francisco out there. Used to be a fire chief of some sort. Talk to the young lady here, Matt, would you?  

[01:14:41] Unknown:

Yeah. So,   the benefit their benefit is the biggest benefit once you do this and once you embody the information   is   knowing you're free. We only have, even when you do this,   if you don't stand on your rights, if you don't   exercise   your   rights,   you're still not going to have any. So it's understanding   what they've done, how they've enslaved us and understanding you are no longer a federal citizen   like Roger was saying, because a US citizen is a federal citizen.   You're no longer a federal citizen   with manmade   civil rights that are given to you, which are basically privileges given doled out by the government.   You are one of the people of the several states   with inalienable rights that the constitution   protects.  

I, I went in for a traffic. I put I've I've made private plates and it was I was poking the bear because I wanted to test the system.   And I did a Gadsden flag. It's that yellow,   license plate with the rattlesnake on it, and I got pulled over.   And I'm   to make it short,   I went to court   and the judge, they saved me for last because I'd sent a bunch of paperwork explaining my status.   They they saved me for last.   And when the judge called me up, he started telling me what my rights were. And I said, excuse me, your honor. I have not waived any of my inalienable rights given to be my my creator.   I'm here by special appearance only. And we said a few other things and he ran out of the room   because   they had no jurisdiction. He had zero jurisdiction over me. So there are rules that they go by,   but they don't want us to know this. So, so it's not as tyrannical as it seems. There is some church journey, but it's their set of rules that they go by. So that's just a quick example,   without a yield.  



[01:16:36] Unknown:

Catherine, can I give you a oh, just a second, Barice? I wanna talk to you on a second on the side too. Catherine,   this is why it's important to me.   And what I've learned   is that in the entire history of our planet,   there's only been two   times for a couple hundred years a piece   when men lived in an organized I have to say that for Bob, an organized   society   that men had god given rights. There's only happened twice in the history of the planet.   Rome, for the first two hundred years, and our country, for the first two hundred years. Does that throw a different light on it?  

[01:17:15] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. Can the last guy that talked, is it possible you can give me his phone number so I can talk to him? Oh, Matt. Yes. Matt, you wanna, yeah, you wanna do that, Matt?  

[01:17:27] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. Let me give you my email. Just email me. Yeah. It's   matthew dakin, so matthewdakin,sodasinDavid,[email protected].  

[01:17:43] Unknown:

Yeah. Proton   mail.   Thank you.  

[01:17:46] Unknown:

Yeah. Sure. Now Welcome. Let me go back to Bruce here because I wanna find out. Bruce, did you go to the police department this morning?  

[01:17:54] Unknown:

No. I haven't done that yet.   Okay. I'm taking care of the lady.  

[01:17:59] Unknown:

Right. I understand. I understand. You got some words of wisdom for Catherine here?  

[01:18:04] Unknown:

Well,   you you feel free is the first thing you feel when you do this.   And that's what you will will   work into because you know you're free.   It is a   a, I don't know, come to Jesus moment.   It's you're blessed.   Yes.   Totally.  

[01:18:26] Unknown:

Yeah. Also, Catherine, it will happen   at excuse me, Bruce. I'm gonna interrupt you just a second. Yeah. As if you go forward if you go forward, and that's your choice. Okay?   If you go forward,   one of the things we try and accentuate to you is that your degree, your freedom will be directly correlated to how well you can regurgitate this information if challenged.   So your your position and status is only as good as your ability to defend it. Does that make sense?   Okay. Yes. That's why I want Bruce Well what he said to the judge. Wow. Yeah. Okay. Well, okay. I got you. So what   that means is as you go through this and get that information   in you,   you become re empowered   with God's   what he meant for you to have at birth that was stolen from you.  

And so it doesn't happen overnight,   but it will happen over time if you continue to make the information yours. K? Very important.   And one of the things that people like is the re empowerment process.   Because I just get to a point, I'm not scared any some bitch that walks the earth or puts a pair of pants on. Okay?   And just your your fear of these people just goes right out the window because everything's a fraud,   and they recognize it.   Okay? Now, Bruce.  

[01:19:52] Unknown:

Okay. I was gonna tell you what happened to me,   this, last week.   I was backing into a parking place,   the CVS,   drugstore.   And,   I backed up. I was looking in the   passage side mirror to line up   on my that side of the car.   And, I'd   thought I was over over far enough to get in   it, get in the parking place. And I backed in, and all of a sudden, I scraped   this, cart this truck   on the on the bumper,   but it's painted.   And,   I didn't   I I just didn't realize how close I was to   that that side of the parking   place.   And so I pulled back out and,   got out and looked at it, and I said, man, I can't believe I did that.  

Anyway,   it was just a few places. I it   took the paint off of it. You know?   And, it was about maybe,   nine inches   on the bumper.   Anyway,   so I   I I turned around   and went in and, you know, burst,   you know, head burst.   And,   went went to go talk to, somebody   about, you know, hit I hit him.   And one of the guys said somebody's already gone. They're already gone to to do it. And I said, okay. Okay. So I waited and waited and waited. They finally came out.   And so,   we had already, you know, made a deal that we would pay for it. And,   you just go get   the information   or or we'll pay for it.  

And I'm I'm a caretaker. And,   I called her up and I said,   I had a little incident here, and it's just a little scrape. And, it didn't even make hardly a mark mark on our car.   And,   he he actually, he said, well, we'll just go ahead and do that.   And so,   he said   he said, where are you from? I said, I'm from I live here. He said, well, why you got a South Carolina   tag on it? I said, well, that's that's tag was a temporary tag,   South Carolina,   and that's what I wanna have on the on the on on the   bumper.   And he said, well,   aren't you in Missouri? And I said, no. I'm not in Missouri. I'm from South Carolina, but I live here.  

And he said, well,   I said,   you you you don't understand. I I'm a I'm a national,   and I'm free.   And I don't have a tag. I don't have insurance. I don't have a driver's license.   Because I asked you in the first   time when you apply for a driver's license,   is your are you a US citizen? You'd be part yes. You mark yes.   Are you a resident?   And you yeah. You think you're in Missouri, but you're not. You're in Washington, DC   citizen.   So they're tricking you. It's a trick game   to get you in their hands.   So, he called the police. They came out.   Now   this guy   came up to   me. He said,   he went and looked at, you know, his car, and they talked. And he came back and   looked at my car, and he said, what do you got that tag on that from South Carolina? You live here. And I said, yes. I do. That's I want that's my tag. I want my that's my   honor to have that tag on there.  

He said, what? You you can't have a South Carolina tag. You live here. I said, yes. I can. I'm a national.   Boy, he said, what do you what do you what are you talking about? You're you're like a sovereign citizen.   I said, I'm not a sovereign citizen. I'm a national.   Oh, no. You you you you gotta be in this yell at that. I know you're a sovereign citizen.   Okay. That was his biggest mistake ever   because he didn't he had taken over   the secretary of state's job in The United States that did determine   what what you are exactly. You determine what you are,   but he's got to agree with it.  

And he did. He didn't return my affidavit when I sit it up there. And I use that affidavit on you know, in the car all the time.   Anyway, he went ahead and got the guy on, you know, and then he came back.   He said, this is your he gave me three different tickets.   And,   he said your court date is second week in, this,   January.   I said, okay.   So, anyway, I started thinking. I said, what do you know what he did?  

[01:24:54] Unknown:

Is that the right speedy trial?  

[01:24:59] Unknown:

Well,   they do things   a lot backward than any place else, I think. But, anyway,   so, anyway, so   he,   I started thinking. I said, well, you know what?   He actually made he actually determined what I what my,   status was.   And there's no such thing. And I told him there's no such thing as that, you know,   citizenship   that that way. And,   he said, you look like   a sovereign citizen to me.   So, you know, they gave me three tickets and took off.   And,  

[01:25:38] Unknown:

so what I'm gonna do down and supposedly yeah. I'll let you tell her. Go ahead.  

[01:25:44] Unknown:

I'm gonna go down,   and I'm gonna give notice,   to the chief of police because she got my package.   All of all the officials   in the state got my package with all the stuff in it involved in it,   the affidavit.   And, none of them turn it turn it back except the attorney general   did. And,   so anyway   but they saw it.   See?   And it's in an affidavit is already cured. After thirty days, it becomes a law of the case.   That affidavit is. That's how powerful it is.   Well, anyway,   I'm gonna go down   and talk to the chief of police because he's got he's got it in his office right now. They didn't turn it return it to me.   And,   I'm gonna tell him that,   I wanna arrest the the guy that came out there and and,   called me as,   you know, that citizenship   sovereign citizen. I'm not a sovereign citizen. There is no such thing as a sovereign citizen.  

And,   he's he's taking his his, the attorney general of The United States. I mean,   it's am I not The United States. Anyway,   he's taking the place of the,   the guy that does the passports.   He's taken over their their demand on the national.   He's breaking the law, and I want him arrested.  

[01:27:16] Unknown:

Let me explain to Catherine. She's brand new, Bruce. You're throwing a lot of high end stuff at her here on the concept wise.   Our whole deal, Catherine, is based on the fact that what you   what set of laws you live under   is your choice.   That goes all the way back to that document I referenced earlier from seventeen fifties called Vatel's Law of Nations,   that every country in the world  

[01:27:50] Unknown:

You cut out.  

[01:27:56] Unknown:

Yeah. Give me just a second. Nope. Figure out what happened. Should've got four year There you go. He's back.   You, you cut out there.   So, repeat what you said over the last thirty seconds, Raj.  

[01:28:08] Unknown:

Okay. This is what   Bruce is throwing some stuff that that there's big time concepts behind that you haven't been exposed to yet. Okay? And one of them is this one. It comes from a group of laws, a book called Vatel's   Law of Nations.   It was the book that all the countries in the world signed on to of laws   after they had an agreement where every   body started having countries. That was in 1650.   Vatel was written about a hundred years later.   So it's the law that all those nations signed on to conform to.   One of the concepts in there is this,   every man has the right of personal,   political   self determination.  

Every man has the right of personal, political   self determination. Let me illustrate. By the way, that's echoed verbatim in the UN Charter.   Catherine, if you wanted to move to any other country of the world, you could do that.   Couldn't you?   I mean, if you want to, they can't stop you and say, no. You can't move to Argentina. Whatever.   So everybody's got to have that ability   to go live under what set of laws they wanna live under, don't they?   That's what they use. This is the backing   of the 30,000,000   migrants they ran in here. Oh, they wanted to come live here.   This is the the rationalization   they use for that.  

Okay? So what that tells us   is the power to choose is ours, isn't it? It's not theirs.   If they tell us what they are, if they come say, Catherine,   you are a citizen of The United States.   Well, that's tyranny, just like Bruce is saying. This cop's trying to tell him what he is. Well, that's tyranny.   And so that's a big concept here.   And,   so all we do is choose to go back to the original   under the constitution with god given rights and duties that our country was formed under that they've veneered over. That's not gone. They've just gone to unbelievable   lengths   to hide it.  

And we can go over a number of examples for you here. And you for instance,   when I ask you, are you a resident? What what   do you think I'm asking you?  

[01:30:46] Unknown:

Do I live   where I live?  

[01:30:49] Unknown:

Okay. I'm a go   Webster's dictionary here for you. In the word resident,   the first two definitions are almost identically the same.   And the first one is what you just identified with, the act or fact of living or dwelling in a place for some time.   The act or fact   of living or dwelling in a place   for some time. That sounds like what you were talking about. Right?   Yes. Well, now there's another one right under that, and it says the same damn thing.   Almost.   It says the act or fact of living or dwelling in a place for some time   for the receipt of a benefit or the discharge   of a duty.  

That's law.   Same word.   So when I ask you or they ask you, are you a resident?   You're attaching the geographical   definition to that term.   Because you don't know about the legal one, do you?   Mm-mm.   So what they're asking you hold on. They're asking you, hey, Catherine. Are you a federal citizen under the laws of Washington, DC?   And you answered,   yes.  

[01:32:11] Unknown:

Where did this come from? The  

[01:32:15] Unknown:

Ask your question.  

[01:32:17] Unknown:

The one without the term duty. The first one doesn't have duty.   Four business. Would be the  

[01:32:24] Unknown:

Right. Would be geographical.   Well, no. They're not. But you see, it's not the question of which one of those definitions   that   the question is, which one of the ones do you think they're implying and imputing here?   That's the question. Doody. Here's these are the mind tricks that they've done.   Okay? Now let me say let me explain this to you and it will clarify it for you, I believe.   The term resident that they're using comes from a group of laws called ambassadorial   law,   when countries   sign a treaty and exchange   ambassadors.  

So I'm in Ecuador.   Let's say the Ecuadorian   ambassador   gets busted up their Dulles Airport in DC   with a cocaine a kilo cocaine in his diplomatic   pouch. What do they do to it?  

[01:33:20] Unknown:

Arrest   him.  

[01:33:23] Unknown:

No. They stick him on plane and send him back to Ecuador.   Because being a resident means that the laws of Ecuador apply to him, not the laws of The US. And when they're asking you this question,   they're saying, are you a federal citizen   under civil rights under the fourteenth amendment? And you go, yes.   Do you see how slick these people are?  

[01:33:51] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[01:33:52] Unknown:

Are these the type of people you wanna be affiliated with and attached to? No. That's the question I've got for you.   I wanna be connected with the board, the right Well, now hold it. We got some is that Robbie?   Was that Catherine?   I had unmuted for a second. Oh, Oh, okay. They've got echo in there. So, Catherine, what's your response to that?  

[01:34:18] Unknown:

I said, I'd like to be associated with the laws and rules of God, not of man.  

[01:34:23] Unknown:

Well, you got the choices right in front of you. Whatever you wanna do is totally up on you. You've got all these people here. We meet six days a week, the same time. You can come on here any of those six days and talk to any of them. In fact, on Fridays,   we have a a long standing,   cohost, fifteen years almost,   is a twenty year practicing attorney   who's re who's translating his own Bible for the last forty years and written all kinds of very he's very, very prolific. He's written all kinds of books on the common law. And I think he's probably   as far as I know, he's the expert in the country on the common law. Now that's what here's another big concept for you, Catherine. This is what we're dealing with.  

As my law teacher would say,   the battle we fight today   is the battle that's been fought since the beginning of time.   And that battle is Lex Rex   versus the common law. What does that mean? Lex Rex is the law of the king.   Man's law versus nature, nature's   god. Common law. That that's our heretic man, by the way. They hate the common law. What they're using, and they specialize in, is called the Babylonian   merchant code.   And it was called for thousands of years the law of merchant, still is   sometimes,   but we know it as a group of laws called the Uniform   Commercial   Code.  

This is the law of the merchants.   And they can do they know it so well.   They know how to weaponize it and twist and turn it as an advantage to them and a   disadvantage to folks like us.   So all that stuff. So if you hang around, you'll learn a bunch of that stuff if you want to.  

[01:36:11] Unknown:

Roger, I have a quick question.  

[01:36:14] Unknown:

Hold on. Catherine first, and I'm gonna   alright. Hold on. I see. The Alicia, just a second. Let her ask her, and I'll get back to you. What, Catherine?  

[01:36:24] Unknown:

I was just gonna say I really appreciate   everybody on here, and, thank you for the answers.   I have a million more questions, but I'm gonna type them out and send them to somebody.  

[01:36:35] Unknown:

No. No. You wanna ask them here. No. No. No. This is the forum for   that. Because this is the learning forum. There's other people listening that might have the same question. And if you don't ask it and I don't answer it here, then I gotta answer it with them in an email or something over there. So let's try and focus   all that here.  

[01:36:56] Unknown:

Okay. Make sure she knows about the transcripts.  

[01:36:59] Unknown:

Alright. Hold on. Hold on just a sec. Paul, let let Paul talk to you.  

[01:37:04] Unknown:

Make sure she knows about the transcript. She goes to the matrixstocks.com,   clicks on the archive link,   and then she can click on the title for this show and see   the show notes and the transcript, the full transcript,   and it's separated by chapters. So anything that she's fuzzy on or anything that she might have missed because you know she just got a drink of water from a fire hydrant. I do.   So   all she's gotta do is just go to that archive for today's show and go to those chapters, and she can bone up on everything you said word for word.   Just Now The matrixdocs.com.  



[01:37:43] Unknown:

Mhmm. Now, Lisa, I wanted to say something. Ask them. Hey, Lisa. What you got?  

[01:37:48] Unknown:

Well, again, I'm gonna say for Catherine, it's the matrixdocs,d0cs,.com   is where you'll find that info.  

[01:37:57] Unknown:

Oh, okay. Docs.dotcom.  

[01:38:00] Unknown:

And then then click on the RadioRanch archives link.   It's right underneath the free conference call links.  

[01:38:07] Unknown:

Radio what?  

[01:38:09] Unknown:

Radio Ranch archives   link.   Click on the word here on that line that says Radio Ranch archives question mark. Click here. Click on the word here.   And then just go in that list, go today's title,   and then click on that.   And   there's transcript, show notes, there's chapters, and you can   relisten to the program if you want, or you can go to the chapter list and listen to just that part of the program.  

[01:38:38] Unknown:

It's got AI attached to it, Catherine. It'll generate transcripts for you.   Okay. And sometimes it hears words. We we don't have to cram all this into today.   We I've been here for fifteen years. I'm planning on being here another ten at least. And we're here six days a week. And if you work, we're here on Saturdays for you. Okay?   So the you you're not gonna learn it at one setting, and you can't ask all the questions because you don't know what questions to ask yet.  

[01:39:12] Unknown:

Thank you so much.  

[01:39:14] Unknown:

Alright. Now hold on. This is what I'm gonna suggest to you.   On the website, the matrix docs,   go over to the right side, and it says new student section.   New students.   There's a particularly   good   two hour video you should watch called War and Emergency   Powers Act.   It's not from me. It was done thirty years ago   by a group of nine researchers out of Colorado just to the west of you there. One of them, doctor veterinarian   doctor Gene Schroeder,   is still alive. Out of the nine, there's only him.   And Joe, I guess if Joe depending on his involvement.   Anyway, that'll give you the whole foundation for the bankruptcy   with proof. K?  

There's another there's some other good interviews over there. I'll   you you you listen to which ones you like. I like God's Trump card because it explains   some stuff at the first that you haven't been exposed to yet, and it's one of the reasons you're not really understanding us.   Okay? And when we talk, we use the same words. We think we're talking to each other on the same level, and we're not. Just like that resident   example that I gave you. K? Quickly, Raja. That's my question.   Okay. Go alright. We'll finish up, Lisa. What?  

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My question is about the residency because I know it's referenced somewhere   that when you're asked about residency   and going to sign a contract  

[01:40:49] Unknown:

Yeah. It's always pertaining to the political status, not geographic. Always political. It's never geographical in those settings. That's a political,   action.  

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True. So But you'll you'll get it in a court case?   Is that in a court case, or is that in, like, the UCC?  

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Or where is that reference I can get to? If you go back and start researching the word resident,   you'll eventually get back to this ambassadorial   law thing, but you're gonna have to dig a little bit. They another example of how thoroughly they've hidden this stuff.  

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Or is it in Black's laws maybe?  

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Well, I don't know. I just went to the web one time, started researching, and I found the reference back to, ambassadorial   law at some point.   But that's what John taught us, and there there's nothing John ever taught us that wasn't correct.   Never. Not once.   K?   Alright. Now Paul wants to tell Catherine something.  

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Very, very quickly,   when you click on the new students click here   first,   the link you're looking for is the trading with the enemy act.   It's to know how to fix the program, the problem, you first have to know what happened. Doctor Jean Schroeder explains the trading with the enemy act and what it means to you. That link, trading with the enemy act, is the one you wanna listen to. And there's 85 different exhibits. I don't know how closely  

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you follow politics, but when mister Trump was in between,   offices here and they were coming after him with all that lawfare,   four or five lawsuits at one time. And he came out and he said, they're trying to charge me with some espionage   act from 1917.   That's what this is.   Very good. I really appreciate everybody. I will my homework. I got homework now. Alright. Now I'm gonna tell you that I'm a yeah. I'll shut up here. We'll let anybody else can ask Catherine a question. But I'll just say this,   that we have other resources   for you in your studies.  

One of them you heard on the air a minute a while back, MERCA.   Do you have Telegram on your phone and computer, Catherine?  

[01:43:05] Unknown:

I think somebody recently told me to download it.  

[01:43:09] Unknown:

Well, it Mark has got a group with over 500 people over there, and you can tap into that through Telegram.   And that group name is Nash three words, separate words, national   status   freedom.   Or there's a link where you can access it on the website on the matrix docs also.   Now the other one Okay. Is a website   that's called nationalstatusinfoor.com.   Nationalstatus.infoor.com.   K.   David's wife,   put   has the skills here and put up   a very impressive website that's attached to AI. It'll generate documents for you. It'll answer questions for you, tell you how to deal with stuff.   So that's also available to you. Okay?  

Now on the website,   there is a 71   page book written by one of our students who's an a computer guy   called the National Handbook, Citizenship   Handbook   of all the particulars.   And you can go download that. You can reproduce it, hand it out, whatever you wanna do with it.   Then there's another   three page folder over there that you can print and hand out that was done by our dear students and friends, Gary and his wife, Gina, from Montana.   And that's on there too. So there's several different resources   for you to rely on if you need to go look.  

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And there's a very good resource on there also, Catherine, that is,   I think it's two or three pages with references to different court cases where US citizen versus national are distinguished, and that is very   solidifying   that there is a difference.  

[01:45:06] Unknown:

There's two pages of court cases that say you're   as a federal citizen, you're federal property.  

[01:45:14] Unknown:

So I'm on the,   matrix stocks. Is it is it on there, the court cases?  

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Yeah. Somewhere on there. I'm not sure where to tell you. Paul, can you tell her where those two pages are? Do you remember right offhand?   We'll get back to it. You got plenty to dig into till that. Come back and ask tomorrow.   Now   that's about what I wanted to cover with you. Welcome to the drink of water out of a fire hydrant.   I will tell you, Catherine, this is life changing information.   Again, I will open it up to these people that responded.   And and has this information changed your life? You'll be shocked at the answers.   Okay.  

So, yes, who was Hey, Roger? Was that Bob? Hey, Roger. That was me.  

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On the matrix docs, if you go down to the download section, you'll see one of the entries in the download section that says,   US citizens   are slaves, nationals   are not,   or US citizens are,   are, property That's good. And nationals are not.   Okay. Yeah. That is the two page document with all the sites that Roger was talking about.  

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Now you said you were from Kansas.   Let me hail up. One of our old listeners is from Kansas, although he lives and works in South Florida now. Bob, are you with us? Can you hear this today?   Oh, man. If he hears you're from Kansas, he'll be all over you.   Okay. Well, obviously, he's not with us today, but you'll touch bases with him soon.  

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Okay. What's his name?  

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Bob   Morgan.  

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Bob Morgan.   Yep. Good guy. Well, I really   I really appreciate you guys, and,   I will be doing my homework today and maybe be back on the call tomorrow.  

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Alright. Well, we're here whenever you wanna come back, and there's all everything you need to jump into, we've given to you.   So,   feel free to take whatever direction,   the Lord points you in and come back with questions. That's what we're here for.   We're here for people exactly like you.   Wonderful. Thank you. K. Thank you. You're welcome. Yes. Alright.  

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Comment.  

[01:47:35] Unknown:

Okay. There's a comment. I believe that sounds like Shane from San Jose. Is that who that was?  

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Yes. It is. Hello, Roger. Hey, Shane. How are you doing? I was born oh, I'm doing alright. Fair to Midland.   Yeah. I have a comment.   I was born in Kansas.   Oh, where are you? And,   oh, yeah. In Polloia, Kansas.   He's Topeka.  

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Well, Chase is kind of our Chase is our mutt. Our our you know, he hangs out for a long time. He's half black, half white, half no telling what else, and lives out in San Jose, California just down the road from Apple, actually.   So, but I did not know you were born in Kansas, Shane.  

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Mhmm.   Also, I would like to,   share some books which are   familiar with this,   national,   American national.  

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One is the, the Empire of the City   That's very good.  

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By,   E. C. Knuth. Knuth Knuth.  

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And also another book called   Historical   Jurisprudence.   Jurisprudence.   Another good one, Catherine, that would teach you.   It's a 100 year old book out of John Hopkins. The first 90 pages   are called the on the Babylonian merchant code. So a book on the history of jurisprudence for the history of the world.   The first 90 pages are on the Babylonian   merchant code that I referenced earlier.   And the book starts out with this sentence.   I highly advise you read this first 90 pages, by the way, at some point.   Babylon's   great contribution   to the world   was they reduced everything in the society   down to the abstract   form   of contract.  

This is where all your contract law comes from.   K?   So, yeah, I advise about those two. There there's a ton of good books you can read. Both those both those two are very good.   Shane, what else? This is  

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this is written by Guy   Colton   Lee.   Which one was that?  

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Oh, is that your  

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name? Di  

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Carlton   Lee. Lee.   Catherine, it's like this.   I I use this quite often.   If you had a a young child, relatively young, you know, eight, nine years old, and you went to the toy store and you bought a puzzle with 16 pieces   and you bought one with 1,500   pieces   and you brought it home, which of those do you think he'd put together first?  

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This small one, of course.  

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So what we do here is I try and encourage you to learn the big concepts.   Because I'm sitting here thinking, I'll bet Katherine doesn't know jack doodly squat about the feudal system, do you?  

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About the what kind of system?  

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Feudal.   Feudal.   As I was saying, the feudal system that's been the majority form of government for the majority of history of the world, by the way.   You remember the feudal system, the lord and the manor and serfs and all that stuff that ruled the world for hundreds of years?   Well, that's what we're in.   So if you don't know anything about it, how do you how do I expect you to recognize it or know how it works?  

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Well, that's why we have a public education system to dumb us all down that we don't know.  

[01:51:27] Unknown:

Yeah. I'm sure you I'm sure you're exposed to that along with the Pavlov's   condition response   experiments.  

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Because see, I went I was a pub I'm a public school person, like everyone else pretty much in The United States, but I raised my children between the eight years of,   2000   and 2009   at home.   And I tried to teach them stuff. I I Good for you. Taught them how to   that were over 50 years old, but that Yeah. That wasn't enough.  

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Yeah.   No. It's, it's quite a challenge, and I really applaud the people that are homeschooling their children. There's some pretty good curriculums out there, I think, too now. Yeah. So let's see. I'll I I'm saying you don't know too much about the Babylonian merchant code, except what I told you, Ryan.   Except you've lived under your whole life, the uniform commercial code, where it looks like they're coming and stealing things from you, and they have all this power.   And this is a group of remedies called self help remedies   that are directly out of the Babylonian merchant code. And it that   it gives it imputes power to them because it looks to you like they've got all this great power and they can come grab all your stuff. Right? Well, they don't have it. Yeah. You've given it to them. And there's a process they have to go through to be able to do that. So it's not just like, where some people think this is admiralty law, which is   where they can just grab stuff with no process.  

And that's not what's being used. It's the uniform commercial code. Okay? So that's another one.   Yeah. Just hold on a second. I'm trying to illustrate.   Yes, ma'am. You may. Let me just finish up. There's other these areas, and I'm trying to relate this back to the 16 piece puzzle.   So what we need to do is start educating you on the big concepts   that interact together to enslave us.   Then once you've got that and your arms around it, now go learn all the minutiae you want.  

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Okay. Yeah. Alright. Fair enough. Yeah. So   quick question you can answer next time maybe if we're out of time. But so if I if I do national, then not if, but I I will. I'm gonna go that way. But,   property tax. I mean, they they it's so high. We gotta stuff our house, and we can't even   and we've only been here three years. They've raised it four times in three years. Problem. We've we've been discussing it this last week, actually.   Okay.  

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I I well, you know, property tax is not affiliated with a tax. It's a municipal thing and a state thing. Okay? And you, again, have voted on it if you live there. The people that live there voted these bond issues in, and that's what's all combining   to and then they're monkeying with it to have have those ad valorem prices go up. And I ma'am, I don't know of a a a of a a remedy here. K?  

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Okay.  

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Because it's not really in our Ballywick.   Yeah.   Move to Florida. You know, DeSantis   is trying to get rid of it, but do you wanna move to Florida where prices have gone from rents gone from 1,500 a month to $4,500   a month   in the last couple of years?   No. Thank you. Now they're gonna price themselves out of a stage is what they're gonna do. But, anyway, all these issues, if we don't have wonderful,   charming,   intelligent new people like you,  

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then that's the kind of thing we're talking about.   Hey. I have friends that live in Ecuador.  

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Do you? Whereabouts?  

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They   are   my husband knows where they are.  

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Well, I'm right outside of Quito. Quito is the capital city up 8,000 9,500   feet in the Andes,   and I'm in the little valley to the northeast of that   at about 8,000   feet.  

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Okay. Well, they're right up on a little mountain, they said, and they keep wanting us to come by the house next to them.  

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Well, it's not probably not a bad suggestion the way things are going in The US. If you and hubby are in your sixties, it's a wonderful place to retire.   Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Thanks so much. I will tell you this. I can live I can live like a king on my meager little Social Security check down here. I couldn't even rent an apartment in The US for that amount.   Oh,  

[01:56:01] Unknown:

I I gotcha.   Yeah.  

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And we're on the dollar too, by the way, which is the real big attraction. I'll have one of the big ones.  

[01:56:11] Unknown:

Oh, wow.  

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Okay. Now there's Samuel. I think in that, Samuel, have you got something for Catherine here?  

[01:56:19] Unknown:

Yeah. I was just gonna   earlier point out to her that,   as a fourteenth amendment citizen, you're pretty much waiving   the original   10 bill of rights.   So   and in in there, you could include property as your children.   So Yeah. Your children You get all the extra protections.  

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So They're not see, they're under this presumption again.   If you're in this condition of servitude   and you have children, well, your children are born in the same condition.  

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So let me repeat what he said. As a fourteenth amendment citizen, now is that a good thing or a bad thing to be a fourteenth amendment citizen? Citizen.  

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Fourteenth amendment   was passed supposedly   to give freed black slaves   a form of citizenship where they were not property.   What they did   was put this feudal system in the fourteenth amendment where you can't see it,   and they moved them from being a   slave on the Southern plantation   to a quasi slave on the federal plantation.   It's exactly what happened. So it's a And then they tricked us all in to be in that.  

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So that's a bad thing.  

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Well, I guess it depends on your perspective, doesn't it?  

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It's also the the amendment where   they made involuntary   servitude, which was slavery   illegal, but there's no mention of voluntary   servitude, which is what we all do  

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as US citizens.   That's what you're doing when you answer the two questions is you're volunteering in by agreeing with them.   So in the sense that you're in the condition, they're just asking you. They're, hey, Catherine. Let us ask you again. Are you a serf? Yeah. Yeah. That's me.   Oh, well, I guess Catherine won't know what she is.   By the way, we'll be hanging around here,   not necessarily me, because I've been talking pretty much for two hours and I get spent. But the these people stay on this channel, Catherine,   till the middle of the damn night. Okay?  

So should you have one of those pontifications,   then you can just come on and ask at any time.   But we're glad you're here. I'm not. I haven't tried to persuade your mind. I'm just trying to answer questions. That's my duty. And if you wanna move forward, we'll welcome you with open arms. You got more advice and help and people that wanna help you than you shake a stick at. We all want you to do it, but we'll never tell you to do it because it's gotta be voluntary.   That's the other big concept.   Everything's   got to be voluntary.  

If it's not voluntary,   it's tyranny.  

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I've got a question for her.   Okay. Well, hold on. You'll still think you were free when you called in?  

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Yeah. Well, here's the action.   Yeah. You're afraid to answer. Well, don't be. We're just playing with you.   You know, my my old deal is easier to it's easier to pull a rope than it is to push a rope. So let us close out the program right here, and, then we can talk afterwards. And if, good Monday show,   I hope some of you that are listening to the broadcast mediums, got your answers,   got the questions you had also.  

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I got a question when you're ready, Roger.  

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Alright. Just hold on. Let's get off the air here. Are we off the air yet? The music turned down low. I don't know.   Yep. We're off.   Alright. Now,   Samuel,   Paul had a question. Samuel had a something.   Paul, you were trying to get under the intro, so I'm gonna defer to you. Hold on. Paul, what's your comment for Katherine?  

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No. My comment was, do you do you still think you were free before you called in?  

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You know? I don't know.  

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I don't know. Not anymore.  

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Well, we screwed up with As you're very, very the litmus test is simple.   Name me the things you can do without a license, permit, or permission. Those are all things that free people have to go through.   What are those can you do in your current status?   Breathe?   Breathe? Maybe for a little while?  

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Yeah. But remember remember   remember that the CEO of Nestle has gone on record as saying that access to clean water is not a basic human right.  

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That's a dirty company.  

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Samuel. Well, exactly. But  

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Yeah. Yeah, Roger.   I don't believe on those two pages of cases.   I don't think they list the slaughterhouse case or Wong Kim Ark. Shouldn't those be there?  

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Well, no. I don't know if there's any definition that people were property in those.  

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Okay.  

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I wanted to know the disposition. Well, the only time in Wong Kim Ark,   in the   the the the descent   with with,   John Harlan and chief justice Fuller,   they liken it to the feudal system   very accurately, but they don't ever bring out the property aspect of it.   They say, here here except in this vague here. The relationship between a liege man and a liege lord, which is,   is unbreakable and exercise anywhere in the world or however they said it.   But that that means you're property, but they don't come out and say it.  

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Okay.  

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Yep.   Okay. Who else for Katherine?  

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Roger,  

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if I may. Yes. Yes. I'm here. Roger?  

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Okay. Yes. Yes, sir. If I may?   Yes. You may.  

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Dave   from Dave from Tampa.   What I would like to say is, you know, you said at the beginning of the show   yeah.   You said at the beginning of the show, Kath, during that,   you know, what are the benefits   to all of this? And, you know, how do I don't feel like I'm   a slave or whatever terminology   you used.   You know, there's a it made me think there's an old Harley saying that   that the Harley riders have have used through the years. It says,   if I have to explain,   you wouldn't understand.   Meaning, until you ride   one until you ride a Harley Davidson, you you   you won't understand what it's like.  

And then with this,   it's until you   get the you understand this conceptually   and you prove it, and like Roger said, until you you own it,   you really get to see how things fall into place,   you really won't   understand.   But once that falls into place and   you see it, you see it conceptually, and it'll start to click. And when it does,   it will bring tears to your eyes.  

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It's one of those things that once you see it, you never can unsee it.  

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That's correct. K.  

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Yeah. Roger, I'd I'd like to point something out on a spiritual level about the fourteenth amendment and how deadly it it has been used. I mean, it was the whole argument in Roe versus Wade   that a child did not have any protection   until it was born because of the fourteenth amendment, and that's how they passed Roe versus Wade. Yep. Oh, wow.  

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Because the fourteenth amendment, we hadn't even quoted it to Catherine. She's here to talk about it.   It reads,   all persons born are naturalized   in The United States,   comma,   and   subject to the jurisdiction   thereof,   comma,   are   citizens of The United States, federal citizens, that had been one before,   and the state wherein   they   reside.   That's for that's all we ever talk about, the fourteenth amendment   right there.  

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K? Okay.  

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And there's eight legal landmines in that sentence.   Now let me   rephrase it for you   the way it's not written.   All persons born in The United States,   comma,   are   subject to the jurisdiction   thereof,   comma,   it's a two pronged legal test. You gotta be born in The United States, and you gotta be subject to.   If you're both of those, you're a citizen of The United States or a state,   resident resident.   So you see, that was done in 1867.   They knew   in 1867   that all this stuff was gonna transpire. They're gonna bankrupt the country, put everybody into this condition,   and then ask you   a hundred fifty years later,   are you a citizen of The United States? Are you a resident?  

Because those are the two things that are specified in the fourteenth amendment. And if you answer those yes and sign something,   then you're subject to the jurisdiction   thereof.   Aren't you?  

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Mhmm.  

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That's how it works.  

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I wanna be a resident, not a citizen. No. No. No. You're a nonresident.   Neither.  

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Neither. Facts. Okay. In in the Internal Revenue Code, which you're gonna well, I hope you're gonna tell them sayonara,   they will identify   this   status,   a national,   as a nonresident   alien in the tax code.   You're nonresident   to the residency   of the fourteenth Amendment   and but as a state citizen, you're alien   from the political federal government, aren't you?   That's how they're using it. That's the lengths these people have gone to to pull this off.  

[02:07:04] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[02:07:06] Unknown:

Yeah. Shane, you got you got something something else for miss Catherine?  

[02:07:12] Unknown:

Well, basically, for everyone on the on the on the line, it says that the,   here on the the YouTube,   it says the   37,000,000,000,000   heist,   Bitcoin plus gold equals debt gone.   So this is,  

[02:07:30] Unknown:

Well, that's what they're trying to do. Money.   Yeah. Well, well, they've, confiscated   yeah. But, Shane, I'm sorry to interrupt you. They've confiscated Mount Gawk Gawk and all that stuff over the years.   They've got a pretty big holding of Bitcoin.   Now the other thing is,   Catherine, that we were talking about last week came from some of the metals community,   that   Trump's got a favorite gold girl. Her name, is is,   Judy Sheldon,   I believe.   Tried to put her on the Federal Reserve Board last time, couldn't get her passed. She's a gold bug. Trying to get her on there again.   This time, if that can happen,   she was saying in an interview that Trump made the statement that he was gonna revalue gold on July 4 year on the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary.  

Well, of course, gold's been tremendously undervalued for the whole time.   But even so, and it was brought up in that discussion the other day, on the books,   gold's $50   an ounce.   That's what congress when they meant 51 ounce gold pieces, it says on the back $50.   So   by those metrics, gold's $50 an ounce. Well, hey,   Donald j, why don't you make it about   oh, let's start at 20 or 25 thou. K?   So   should you and daddy have any extra shekels and you don't have any medals,   that might be a good thing for people to acquire   if you can. If you can find them. Right. They're out there. By the way, Sheckler,   Miles Franklin,   they got a bunch.  

I don't know what a bunch is, but they've got quantity on on junk silver right now with no premium.   And that may be, if you're stationary,   the best metals you can get. Yes, Dave.  

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Yes, sir.   So if they got it on the books at $50   an ounce,   how come when you buy it from the,   the treasury,   you they don't sell it for that much. You're paying You don't buy it. You know, whatever spot is plus a a huge premium.  

[02:09:43] Unknown:

I don't believe you buy straight from the treasury, do you? You buy through a dealer. Yeah. You do contracts with deal. Well, the dealer is gonna reflect the right price.  

[02:09:53] Unknown:

No. No. No. I'm not saying the dealer. I'm saying you can go on,   the treasury   United States Treasury dot com, and you can get on a a an auto ship plan or just Yeah. Buy metals from them, coins. Okay. You can buy proof sets. You can buy sets. Okay. You can buy rolls. You can buy single coins. Okay. And Hey, Dave. It's sold I want more than premium.  

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Of course. I want you to send them $50 and have to see if they'll send you one.  

[02:10:26] Unknown:

Alright.   Alright.  

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I'll do that.   Alright.   Now who else has got a question or a comment?   Catherine, I know your head's spinning. Okay. So   let the dust settle.   Don't beat yourself up.   Take it slowly.   You'll get there, and we're all here to help you. Okay?  

[02:10:48] Unknown:

I I have a question, Roger.  

[02:10:50] Unknown:

Alright.  

[02:10:52] Unknown:

So at a point, we were referencing the bankruptcy,   the war on emergency powers,   and it's in there that   something about the treasury   given access to the  

[02:11:09] Unknown:

fund. Okay.   And you said it's the International Monetary Fund through the bankruptcy? Any anything that's referred to as the fund is the International Monetary Fund law firm. The International Monetary Fund  

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one is was not created till '44.   So They use some I was trying to look.  

[02:11:30] Unknown:

Well, they use some bridge thing. I don't know what they used in the background to bridge until they got that formed, But that's what they're talking about. Because you can see they gave   the secretary of the treasurer that moniker   in the code.  

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Okay. Okay.   Because I know when I was trying to reference and find out what that could be referenced to since it wasn't   created for eleven years.  

[02:11:56] Unknown:

And and and so far, I'm not finding it. There's no telling what these shaky sneaky son of a Jew bitches are doing in the background.  

[02:12:05] Unknown:

I mean, should you just can't know everything?  

[02:12:08] Unknown:

For them to make that reference, you know, it's like, what could they be referencing for at that time?   Don't know. We have to be a little bit already.   And  

[02:12:19] Unknown:

I just don't know, Lisa. I don't you know, we're never gonna have all the answers to all the questions because they've just hidden this stuff so deeply.   But we can get the surface area and and bust them.  

[02:12:33] Unknown:

Roger?  

[02:12:34] Unknown:

Yes.  

[02:12:38] Unknown:

So the way I read that fourteenth amendment, it also makes you liable for the debt because you can't refute it. But if you're standing outside of that, when they call in that debt,  

[02:12:49] Unknown:

you may well be able to make the argument that you don't owe it. That's why we'll not make the argument that we've already we don't know it because it's damn fraud.   And and they know that. That's what we're doing. See, that's what I'm saying. These people know what this is. Our people don't because we don't understand this stuff. They know exactly what it is.   It robs them of their mojo.   We steal their mojo back.   They stole it through fraud.   Take it back.  

[02:13:22] Unknown:

All all you have to do is look at all of the,   presidential   orders that have listed   confiscating   pretty much everything   in the land.   Yeah. And I've we we've seen that in other people's   documents.   It's about a year ago that gentleman was out there talking about this confiscation   that's been set up in all the states so that it makes it legal   lawful, I should say. Maybe legal legal,   for them to be unconstitutional.   Yeah. Right.  

[02:13:56] Unknown:

Oh, that was a scam.   So, anyway, yep, there's a lot of digging to do, Catherine. You can take any one of these issues   that we've touched on today, and you can dig from twenty minutes to two hours or longer on every almost every issue.   So   don't beat yourself up.   Just take it a little at a time.   Let your mind and your understanding go, and you'll take it all in. Your goal should be to get your arms around this and make it yours.   When that happens, you'll not only be able to defend it,   you'll be able to explain it to others,   and you'll be able   to have it let you get self empowered.  

So there's   really concrete reasons for that. And I don't charge you anything for this   because   I don't think I should, a,   and I think it's my duty,   b.   And I'm my goal here is to affect change.   That's why I'm doing all this.   This is powerful information. Most people don't understand that. I've been messing with it for so many years. I understand it great.   Okay?   But   the the the the there's the only way we can change   and get back to our creator, and they can't do a damn thing about it except   take the mask off   and be open tyrants.   And they'll never do that because they know through history,   open tyrants get hung.  

That's your power. I'm giving you your power back. It's been stolen from you.  

[02:15:42] Unknown:

Open tyrants get hung?  

[02:15:45] Unknown:

Yes, ma'am. Ee hung.  

[02:15:48] Unknown:

So that's what I'm gonna be.   No. You tell me to sit back and read No. No. No. You're misunderstanding  

[02:15:54] Unknown:

me.   Everything   has to be voluntary.   You are saying what you wanna do. If they say, no, Catherine, Catherine, you can't do that. You're a serf.   That's a tyrant.   So anything that's not voluntary   is tyranny   in the big picture.   You'll get it. You know, you're not gonna get it all in one setting. You didn't get here overnight. You're not gonna get out of it overnight.   Okay. Little at a time. The the the 16 piece puzzle. Okay?  

[02:16:37] Unknown:

Yes.  

[02:16:38] Unknown:

I'm gonna turn it down to the Yes.  

[02:16:41] Unknown:

Yeah. The proper term, Catherine, is hanged.  

[02:16:45] Unknown:

Okay. Hanged. Sorry. Hanged. I like that. It took ninety three years to break it.  

[02:16:51] Unknown:

I mean, this is the real big picture here, Catherine.   The Israelites were in Babylonian captivity seventy years. Right?   Yep. We've been in Babylonian   captivity   ninety three and a half now.   And come March, it'll be ninety four.  

[02:17:11] Unknown:

Of ninety three years to break it, it's gonna take you a couple of weeks to grasp   how to fix  

[02:17:18] Unknown:

it. Just   don't get overwhelmed. A lot of people here will help you.   Just take it a little bit at a time. Don't get anxious.   Don't don't try and and and and conquer Rome in a day. Okay?   In essence, you can conquer Rome in a day because you can put that affidavit in this afternoon.   But if you do that,   make a commitment to yourself that you're gonna learn the information.   Yeah. You have to devote so much time every day to learning it. Well, that's the price you're gonna pay. You're not gonna pay me anything. That's the price you're gonna pay right there. And that's a beneficial price. It's good for God. It's good for you. It's good for everybody else.  

[02:17:59] Unknown:

And and you gotta learn the lingo, like you guys said, because you can't defend yourself   if you don't know who you are and how you should be speaking.  

[02:18:07] Unknown:

Well, yeah. You don't know to if they come and say, well, you said right here you were a resident,   and you don't know to tell them, yes, but I was fraudulent.   You've covered up the real meaning of that you're imputing into that term. That comes from ambassadorial   law. You're asking me there what laws am I living under, and I'm not under the fourteenth amendment civil rights.   So when you've got that kind of a command that you can come back to that and you know your stuff that good, you're free as a bird, baby.   The better you understand it, the freer you'll be.  

Yeah. Who had the comment?   Yeah. This is Bob. Hey. There's   Bob. Yeah. Bob, we got a a fellow Kansas person here.  

[02:18:52] Unknown:

Yeah. I picked up on that. I've been tied up. I've been listening. I haven't been able to comment for a while.   Where did you settle in Kansas,   ma'am?  

[02:19:01] Unknown:

I'm five miles from the Oklahoma line. We bought this house sight unseen.   I'm in Coffeyville.  

[02:19:09] Unknown:

So you're in South Southeastern  

[02:19:12] Unknown:

Kansas. Yeah. Yes. Yes.  

[02:19:15] Unknown:

I grew up in the opposite corner up closer to Colorado and Nebraska, but welcome. Yep.  

[02:19:21] Unknown:

Yeah. Where were you born?   Hoxie.  

[02:19:26] Unknown:

Is that Canyon? Just East Of Colby. Yeah. Just East of Colby, South of McCook, Nebraska. However you wanna triangulate it.  

[02:19:33] Unknown:

Okay. Well,   how do?  

[02:19:39] Unknown:

Something you said   something you said is it Catherine? Is that right? Yeah. I think so. Yeah. Something you said indicates that you have a a Christian bent to your beliefs. Is that valid?  

[02:19:52] Unknown:

Absolutely.  

[02:19:54] Unknown:

Okay. Well, let me let me,   give you this one. You can   read it   and ruminate on it. Colossians two twenty.   I'm If Christ died   if if if   with Christ you died to the element   elemental spirits of the world, why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to regulations?   Now   they can you know, you can look at that and say, well, yeah, they were talking about temple regulations and whatever. Well, what do you think the modern Pharisees are? They're the bankers.  

[02:20:28] Unknown:

That's who we're fighting,   Catherine. We're fighting the modern   Pharisees.   We call them the Pharisees   to be able to differentiate them.   But they're doing it. You'll learn. You're gonna learn what they're doing exactly what the Pharisees did in Jesus' story.   Am I gonna explain it right now? You've had enough, but we'll get to it at some point.   Okay. And you should be particularly   charmed   with Brent Winters on Friday.  

[02:21:01] Unknown:

Brent   on Winters?  

[02:21:05] Unknown:

Yes. And his website is commonlawyer.com.   And he'll be on this call on Friday? He's on every Friday for twelve plus years.   Very rarely do we miss one. Commonlawyer?  

[02:21:22] Unknown:

Law.com.  

[02:21:26] Unknown:

K.   This is the guy that knows all the nuances of what the word means in Greek and in Latin and in Hebrew and all that stuff. He's been working on his own Bible translation for forty years now,   and he is just a national treasure. K?   So alright. Anybody else got anything for me? I'm gonna jet on off and eat some lunch here. And I want to say, Catherine, I'm so glad you stepped forward.   You see what a new person, the kind of inspiration we get on the program here from you being here,   but we just love it. So and welcome. And you you come back as many times or as often as you want.  

[02:22:15] Unknown:

Thanks for the correction, unhang.   Thanks for the correction, unhang. Okay. It's only by correcting each other that we're gonna,   raise all boats here so that people will when we speak proper English, they'll respect more  

[02:22:27] Unknown:

the message that we're delivering. We tried we tried that Pidgin lang we tried that Pidgin language for a while. It didn't work. So we're getting better even according to Farris.   Alright. I'll see y'all tomorrow on the Tuesday session. Catherine, welcome. Thank you, Raya.   I see all the cornucopia, you know, people we've got here. Larry,   Larry, what do you got, buddy? I thought we had you earlier.  

[02:22:55] Unknown:

No. I I hate I, just wanted to say   that,   you started out your converse conversation with Catherine talking about the Grace Commission.   I found a couple of interesting things about about that whole   process.  

[02:23:10] Unknown:

Somebody said something. I don't think I mentioned it, but this is back to your income tax as if we hadn't piled enough on you, Catherine. Here comes some more.  

[02:23:20] Unknown:

Right. So   so, the Grace Commission   was an investigation   requested by United States president Ronald Reagan   authorized an executive order one two three six nine on 06/30/1982.   In doing so, president Reagan used the now famous phrase   drain the swamp,   and that's, of course, what Trump has adopted.   And then,   it goes on to say, in the report,   speaking of, where your income tax money goes,   if you if you do pay into that system,   the report said that one third of all income taxes are consumed by waste and inefficiency   in the federal government   and another one third escapes collection owing to the underground   economy.  

Now get this, this is in quotes,   with two thirds of everyone's personal income taxes wasted   or not collected,   100%   of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the federal debt and by the federal government contributions   to transfer payments.   In other words, all individual   income tax revenues   are gone before one nickel is spent on the services   that taxpayers expect from their government, end quote,   by yield.  

[02:24:44] Unknown:

It goes to the bondholders,   Catherine. That's the a third is uncollectible.   A third pays overhead, fees, salaries, and all that. And a third goes to the debt, which is the coupon payments on the bonds   that have been sold into the   open market around the world,   and that is their coupon payment, I e. And until recently,   China   owned 10%   of the total bonds. And since we've been screwing with them here, they're starting to dump their bonds   along with other countries.   So that's the big danger up ahead is in the bond market.   Alright. So, Catherine, we've given you   more than one person ought to have at one setting, I think.  

K?   That's it. So, just, I have a question, a Larry. Oh, okay. Good.   I'm gonna go go about my way. Y'all have a wonderful conversation.   Catherine, welcome.   Please come back regularly and often, and we'll look forward to conversing with you and other new folks. Okay?  

[02:25:49] Unknown:

Thanks. Enjoy your lunch.  

[02:25:51] Unknown:

Thank you very much.   Ciao, Chicas.  

[02:25:56] Unknown:

So, Larry, can I ask you a question?   You just said some stuff about Go ahead.   So if if   taking this what you were talking about down to the personal level as far as my income.   If I was working for someone else   and I'm a national,   can I just tell them I'm a national and they won't take taxes out of my paycheck?  

[02:26:25] Unknown:

Well,   there's different ways to go about   stopping the withholdings.   Like in my case,   I have an online account with,   with a I think it's ADP.   And I just went in there. I logged in to the account,   and there's an online w four, and I just marked exempt.   And then the withholding stopped.   And,   some some students have tried to do that, and,   they were successful for, you know, a number of months,   maybe even a year. But then the employer,   who is really an informant for the for the IRS,   they,   they would they would show the the IRS through whatever documentation   that, you know, you exempted yourself   from withholdings.  

And so then some of these students will get an a letter from the IRS,   and that letter   is warning them to   start paying you know, start having withholdings deducted,   or they'll come in and they'll determine   a certain amount that they'll tell the employer   that the employer needs to withhold a certain amount.   And, there's   another   another fella that was working for FedEx that   that's exactly what happened to him.   And,   other students have,   used a W 8BE   n,   and they've had success there.   And,   some some employers won't accept that. So   I've heard of other students going to the to their local IRS office   and having   the whatever form they're gonna use, have it stamped   by the IRS agent and then turn that into the employer.  

So there's a lot of different ways to attack this,   but   for you to just verbally say to them, you know, I want you to stop withholding.   They're not gonna do that. The the the employers   are more afraid of the IRS   than even the people   that,   you know, can't stand the IRS and, like, don't like to see withholdings come out of their paycheck to begin with.   So,   you have to you have to, submit some type of documentation   to your employer.   Now if you work for the federal government, obviously, you can't do that. You if if if you   have if you have,   sourced income   directly or indirectly and it's coming from the federal government,   then then you have to pay an income tax.  

So this just so   this this just applies to private   employers that you work for.  

[02:29:17] Unknown:

Yeah. Okay.   And so that would not apply for Social Security, though. They   they wouldn't, if you stopped paying your income tax,   although supposedly Trump is changing that   for your Social Security,   they won't stop my Social Security because I don't file my taxes, hopefully. I guess you may not know that.  

[02:29:41] Unknown:

But Well, do you do you do you wanna get rid of your Social Security? Is that what you're asking?  

[02:29:46] Unknown:

No. I just don't pay taxes on it.  

[02:29:50] Unknown:

Right.   So   your Social Security,   I mean, it's it's I I've heard that there is a way   to stop that withholding.   But if you've already paid into it all your life,   you know, why would you wanna why would you wanna stop, you know?   Because as you as your salary increases,   it knocks off, you know,   way back when when you when you received a lower salary, that that gets knocked off.   And so then eventually, they're gonna take the average of so many   of so many, years   of your   of your salary, and then that's what your, your payout is gonna be based on.   So like in my case, you know, I've been working for like forty years   and,   paying and paying into Social Security.  

And, the Social Security Administration gets their   records,   from the IRS.   And so they could they could see, you know, all the way back, like, when I created my Social Security account,   I was able to see all the way back when I first started working when I was 15.   I was able to see how much I made per year.   And, I remember starting out. I think it was, like, $3.35   an hour, minimum wage,   working at a Burger King part time. And, when I logged into my when I created an account and then logged into it, I was able to see,   you know, the very first time I was,   I was, making money as a part time employee.  

And, what's interesting is, again, those records are based on the IRS records.   And that's when I first elected to be   to be,   involved   in paying into the, federal system,   you know, into into the income tax system   because   when you when you file your first   ten forty, which and in my case, it was a ten forty e z e z,   because, you know, I didn't have a I was just a just a kid, you know?   So that's when I elected into their system.   And it's a self renewing contract every year until you revoke it or until   it's determined that you're not a US citizen or resident,   in which case the the account becomes suspended and that's their word.  

And,   I I learned about that from a flowchart that I discovered   that IRS agents use to,   as a teaching aid,   when when their agents are   conversing or dealing with what what the IRS calls nonresident aliens, which is composed of   foreign nationals   and American nationals.   We're kinda grouped together under that that category of of,   of a description,   nonresident alien individual.   And,   so the the code depending on the context, the code   might be talking about a foreign national because foreign nationals will come over to The United States   and they will work in in the country,   but they, they owe a duty to the District of Columbia, which is the definition of The United States   according to The United States,   code, code 26   and the code of federal code   of federal regulations.  

So anyway,   when when it's determined that you're not a US citizen or resident,   the IRS is supposed to Now do they do it all the time and every time? No.   Because they probably aren't even familiar with their own codes   and and regulations.   And so they're supposed to suspend the account. Like, when you send in your legal lawful notice   to the commissioner of the IRS   to put him on notice that you're no longer   a,   a US citizen or resident, that you're a national,   I it's my it's my belief that the commissioner and or his executive staff,   they're supposed to change your status.  

And it goes by your your, social security number,   which is recognized as a taxpayer   identification number in The United in the,   United States code, title 26, and the code of federal regulations,   title 26.   And so they're supposed to change that status   over to a nonresident   alien individual status.   Now do they do it every time? I don't think so. I think that's why   a lot of students will get letters,   and a lot of these letters are automated.   Like, I'm helping a student that received an l t 26 letter   that they didn't file for for the tax year 2023   while they became a national   and put everybody on notice including the commissioner back in 2022   and so here it is 2025   and they're getting an LT   26 notice.  

If you look up an LT 26 notice,   it's an automated   notice   generated by the IRS   AI computers.   And, so they're they're telling the student, well, we didn't receive a a,   a,   a filing for that year, you know, because up until 2022,   the student was filing 10 forties like everybody else.   And so, you know, the system seeing seeing a, gap there, you know,   and that's and I think it's because when you send your notice, your lawful legal notice to the IRS commissioner,   somebody   is supposed to take that notice   and they they are supposed to apply it   in such a way that they see that you are you are no longer   a US citizen or resident,   and they are supposed to suspend the account.  

And they're supposed to do something in the database, you know, whatever it is, hitting some some keys on the computer,   and they're supposed to to,   transition or change that status   into a nonresident   alien status.   And I think they don't end up doing that.   So I think some do.   These are just some of my own theories   while others don't. And then somewhere along the line,   the computer systems catch up on things, and they see that someone didn't file for a particular year.   Well, the their file was not updated in the IRS database. And so now now AI generates an l t 26,   notice.  

So anyway,   when you file your legal lawful notice,   with the commissioner of the IRS,   they are supposed   to suspend the account.   And when you file what's known as a revocation of election,   they are supposed to terminate the account. Those are their words.   So   anyway, the first step is obviously like Roger discussed   is to, if you feel up to it,   is to file a, an affidavit with the Secretary of State and then immediately afterwards, you can   file notices   with the IRS commissioner, your local authorities, your attorney general of the state that you live in, etcetera, etcetera   as what has been laid out.  



[02:37:30] Unknown:

Okay.  

[02:37:32] Unknown:

But so one more thing. So you had a question about Social Security.   Social Security,   is it's sourced from the federal government,   and I'm pretty sure you you I'm pretty sure I'm still kinda   investigating this on the side.   I I think if you meet a certain threshold   of what they call income, then then you may have to,   owe a tax on it, but I'm not completely sure   because it is a sourced federal government   income.   So anyway, I I don't think it's a good idea if you've already if you're already older and you've paid into the Social Security system all your life, you might as well take advantage of   of, those funds,   you know, when when you do,   reach retirement age,   which I plan on taking advantage when I hit 62. I'm 56 now. When I hit 62,   I'm definitely gonna start   using my Social Security   money. So  

[02:38:31] Unknown:

Yeah. Well, we we take it now. So I just wanna be sure we weren't gonna lose it because we depend on it.  

[02:38:38] Unknown:

And No. No. That's a contract. That's a contract. Roger teaches that's a contract.   That's that's all that is is a contract.   And, you know, you've paid into it all your life, and that is that is your money.   So  

[02:38:52] Unknown:

So when I get when I do my filing and my affidavit,   I'll I might get a response of a l t 26 or something from somebody,   and I need to not worry about it. I just need to ask you guys about it.  

[02:39:06] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. I'm not trying to scare you. I'm I'm just saying I'm I'm just being realistic,   you know Right. As far as what I what I see going on because   I've been helping a lot of students over the   years. And, you know, these are the things that that that go on. Some students never hear from the IRS ever again, you know, most students.   And but there's a percentage   that I think it's because when they send in their legal lawful notice   and or they did a revocation of election,   whoever received that that,   that document   did not properly   update the records   in the IRS database   the way they should they're the the way they were supposed to.  

And so somewhere down the line, you may get a notice.   And oftentimes, these are just computer generated notices.   And most of the time, you could tell, obviously, if there's no one that signed the the notice,   then it was computer generated, you know? So,   you know, don't let that stop you. You know, you deal with things as they come along, You know? Right. Because you gotta you gotta understand   if you've been paying into the IRS   for, like, you know,   twenty, thirty, forty, fifty years of your life, and then all of a sudden, you know, you you get out of that system.   And,   and, you know, and if the records were not updated properly,   the the computer doesn't know any better. It's just programmed to do what it's supposed to do, you know?  

So it doesn't see it sees a gap, you know? And so it's just gonna generate a notice. And so now you gotta, you know, respond to that notice.   And you always respond when you get a notice in, even if it was several years later.   And what I always recommend is   you always look in that notice. It'll have an address.   Like it says in the notice, if if you do not agree with with what or whatever it is whatever it is they're claiming in that notice, if you don't agree with it, you know, you could respond   by mail and it'll give you an address.   Or sometimes it'll say, you know, respond to the address at the top of this notice.  

And it'll always be up in in the upper left hand corner.   And so you always respond to the address regardless of, you know, just as just in general in life. If anyone   from anywhere in the world sends you a notice, you always respond   to that person and to that address.   And then what I always recommend is you send what's called a carbon copy, a cc   to the principal   of the organization.   So in this case, you're gonna cc the commissioner.   You're gonna find his name,   which currently is is acting commissioner Scott Bessent.   He's also the secretary of the treasury.  

And, you're gonna send him a copy of everything that you sent to that address.   And you can even write copy on the top of each page.   And,   and then you're gonna draft another short cover letter directly to Scott Bessent,   kinda highlighting some things. Like,   for example, you might wanna say to him, it appears that my records were not updated   when I when I sent in my   my legal lawful notice on whatever date of 2022.   And I would like you to, you know, update everything   because I received this notice. I am no longer a US citizen and resident. You know, we just wanted to explain the situation, be kind,   and, you know, then sign it and,   and and send it off to them, you know, certified mail.  

And then,   the whoever sent you the,   the l t 26 notice, for example, you wanna send that certified mail too. So because you wanna be able to track   the, you know, have a tracking record   that the party received it.  

[02:43:16] Unknown:

And, Larry, can I, get your email address to possibly ask you questions?  

[02:43:22] Unknown:

Yeah.   Yeah.  

[02:43:26] Unknown:

You could, you could email me at [email protected].  

[02:43:38] Unknown:

Okay.  

[02:43:38] Unknown:

Thank you.  

[02:43:40] Unknown:

You're welcome. This is Chris from California.   Well, I once,   helped a person   who received a letter like that   from, the IRS.   And, I instructed this person to just send a letter back to them   that stated, I have no income to report.   And that person never heard from them again. It's been more than thirty years.   If you understand the meaning of the word the definition of the word income,   you'll understand why that works.   Income is a real loaded word. It means something for nothing   or interest.   Income does not is not the same as compensation.   And,   I mean, people compensate you for your effort. You expend an effort, and they compensate you either with their effort, either with barter, or with whatever they want to give you that you're willing to accept.  

That's compensation   because you expended your talent and your time. So it's an even trade. You're not getting something for nothing.   When you're getting something for nothing like interest   or   some,   some form of,   of of benefit   that you did nothing to get,   which would not include, technically,   Social Security.   I never   filed ever.   I never paid in anything.   I was contacted once,   and,   I dealt with it. They never contacted me again.   One letter is all it took.   And it's simply I have no income to report.   Once somebody ten ninety nine to me.   And,   so I did receive a a letter.  

But, again, I didn't receive any income.   I received compensation.   So I had no income to report.   It's kind of like a magic phrase, you might say, because people don't know the meaning of the word income.  

[02:45:51] Unknown:

Okay. And when Larry says student, he just means people learning about all this. Right? That's   what he's saying.  

[02:45:59] Unknown:

Yeah. Well, my,   my major in college was banking and finance.   And when I found out what kind of a scam was going on, I could have nothing to do with it.  

[02:46:12] Unknown:

K.  

[02:46:14] Unknown:

Yeah. I'm using the the the word student in general, anybody that's learning about this information.   The only thing   that I disagree   with about   what Chris just offered was,   you know, that was thirty years ago, and we've come a long way. The   the tax courts now consider a lot of these   this is not   income arguments   as frivolous,   and, they just don't let people get away with that anymore. The safest way is to change your status   and, you know, be persistent about,   getting the IRS to update your records   so that they they understand you're not a US citizen or resident.  

[02:46:59] Unknown:

That that's fine, but I didn't say what you said I said.   I said the letter said I have no income to report.   I didn't argue about the definition of income or anything at all. Just have no income to report.  

[02:47:19] Unknown:

Yeah. He Whatever income is. Right. But the thing is the courts will look at that, and they will they will think, oh, here's the guy that's trying to, you know, use the the definition of income,   you know, to show that he doesn't have income, and they're gonna consider that a frivolous argument.  

[02:47:38] Unknown:

Well, that's that's your opinion. I disagree with you. If you have no income to report, if you didn't earn any money   or if you didn't earn anything,   there's nothing to report. And if you're if you're also under the minimum if you if you're also under the amount,   required for filing,   you have no income to report because you have no reportable income even if it came from an income source unless unless you,   reach a certain threshold.   So that statement answers a lot of questions for them.   They would now have to show that you somehow   had income and that you had enough income to meet the threshold to require you to file.  

And, that's never been done that I'm aware of.  

[02:48:32] Unknown:

Hey, Chris.   Hey, Chris.  

[02:48:36] Unknown:

Mhmm.  

[02:48:37] Unknown:

So when you said you had at at that time, when you said you had no income,   that also means you had no   dividends   from stock.   Right. I  

[02:48:50] Unknown:

I know a lot about the stock market. I studied it.   I will not participate   in it at all  

[02:48:57] Unknown:

Uh-huh.  

[02:48:58] Unknown:

Because the whole thing is a fraud, in my opinion.   And,   yeah. So I don't I don't participate in the I'm like, I've I've mentioned I've mentioned to Roger, I'm more involved in commodities.   For example,   I will buy, like, a,   I'll buy a Maserati.   Well, I have purchased. I purchased a Maserati for this is a long time ago when they were less less that's money. I purchased the money I purse I purchased a Maserati   for $2,500,   and I flipped it almost immediately for $7,000.   That's what I do.   And that and that's why I don't invest in gold because I can't do that with gold because there's not a market for gold like there is for commodities.   Even though Right. Gold is a commodity,   people are hoarding gold,   and gold is way overvalued.  

And I'm telling you, at you you some someday, you'll see. The price of gold is going to drop way down   because it has no value   practically. What can you do with it? You can't eat it, and you can't you can't flip it. You're you're you're gonna pay,   you're gonna pay, you know,   fees to the broker,   and, you know, all this and that.   And, I've been there and done that, and it's it's a it's a dead player. You know?   If if if I bought gold, I'm just gonna end up cashing it in so I can flip some commodities   and double and triple and quadruple what I have.   But I can't that with gold.  

Okay. Thank you. I got rid of all of my gold a long time ago,   and I I invested it in other things, commodities   that have gone up way beyond gold.   And so the the just to all you have to do is, like, if you look. It it would even be better if you went and bought,   that's and I've done this too. You can buy   storage,   storage,   units, you know, that are up for auction.   You take it to a local flea market or or   or a rutman sale or or a swap meet, and you sell this stuff off.   A friend of mine, he bought a,   you can buy these,   sight unseen,   you know, shipping containers   that are misplaced or   abandoned or whatever,   and they're locked up, and you could just buy the whole container.  

Well, he bought a container of I think it was for about   4 or $5,000.   You know? The shipping container itself is almost worth that.   But inside of it, it was filled with brand new,   children's and baby clothes and and women's clothing and all that kind of stuff.   Well, the baby clothes,   which was about, you know,   maybe,   a fifth of the what was in the container,   he immediately sold the whole thing   to a, a chain that sold baby baby stuff.   And that brought back and he he recouped his initial investment   right there.   And then the rest of it, he took to swap meets, put it out on big tables, all brand new women's apparel, and it was gone in a flash. He made a fortune on that. That's what people are doing, like people like me are doing. We're doing things like that. We're entrepreneurs,   and we look for opportunities,   and there's a lot of them. Right now, there's so many men. Anybody who has gold should be cashing their gold in and going down and flipping stuff. I mean, because you could you could build a fortune overnight. Buying RV. Alright. Right now, the big thing is RVs. We'll be doing it too.  

I've done it before.   RVs   are are and I I hate to say it. I don't like to take advantage of people's misery,   but RVs are being confiscated left and right and auctioned off because that's what the that's what cities are doing. Not all cities. Some cities are are doing something much better. But a lot of cities, they just want to get rid of all these people living in the RVs on the streets and all over the place, and they're they're they're going around checking their registration or or they're giving them seventy two hours to move. And if they don't move out of the county,   and they found again, then some immediate immediate confiscation.  

And, after about fourteen,   fifteen days, they're going up for auction,   and they're being sold for pennies on a dollar.   And, so,   you know, that's that's that's a that's a valuable opportunity. I mean, I hate to take advantage of that kind of opportunity,   but I have before.   I mean, because I recognize that these people are not getting it back.   And,   one thing we are doing though is we have a large farm,   and we are we are we have started a,   we have started a campground   with RVs,   and, we're renting them out to people.   So   that that's what we're doing.  

And, we do other things.   We pick up food   by the truckload   from certain   vendors and other people.   Right now, it's Trader Joe's,   and the food's generally pretty good except for the stuff that has canola oil in it, which, I'm not happy about. But,   we just picked up a load last night. We would get it late at night after everything's closed. We pick it up, and then we, can distribute that out to people.   You know? So,   especially shut ins and veterans and people like that   that don't have access to a food pantry.   Yes. And so that's that's what we do. We've been doing that for a long time.  

And so   there's a lot of things you can do. And, I will tell you this, the Lord always provides.   He provides in ways you can't imagine   once you start trusting him.   Yes. But   but there are so many opportunities.   Putting your money in gold is like,   you know, it's just it's just hoarding.   It it is hoarding. You know? Is that you don't invest in gold. You hoard gold.   Gold is not really an investment   because   it's it's controlled complete. Do you know how many do you have any idea how much gold there is in the world today   with all the gold holding that's going on for thousands of years?  

Do you need gold gold? They could flood the market and bring the price down to $30 an ounce anytime they wanted to and never run out never run out of gold to back up up.  

[02:55:23] Unknown:

Wow.  

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And they do manipulate the price code, and it's being manipulated right now. And it will crash just like Bitcoin will crash and all this stuff. It's all nonsense. It's not study the Bible what has real value.   And hoarding is not investing.   Investing is you you find an opportunity.   I mean, I I flip Rolls Royces, Jaguars, you know,   Maseratis, you know, anything.   Any I come across a great deal. Somebody has to bail out immediately. They need the they need the money now. Here it is.   That that's and and if I and if I have my money in gold, I'd have to run down and exchange the gold. And by the time I came back with money, the opportunity would be gone.  

[02:56:08] Unknown:

Come on, man.  

[02:56:10] Unknown:

So that's that's a little tip for anybody that wants to survive.   Look at commodities. Look at what you can do. Look at the, buying storage lockers, going to swap meets, whatever, or just see what's going on. Look around you. See what see what other people like me are doing in your area,   and and you'll learn how to survive   very well.   Yeah. That's all I'm saying.  

[02:56:34] Unknown:

One of one of the examples that I always like,   and it's really easy to understand this, is during the   Klondike gold strike,   they were trading an ounce of gold for an ounce of salt.  

[02:56:49] Unknown:

Oh, wow.  

[02:56:51] Unknown:

There you go.   Yeah. What Gold and silver is money. Food. Food is of the greatest value.   And that's what we that's why we have an organic farm.  

[02:57:10] Unknown:

Don't go wrong.  

[02:57:13] Unknown:

Yeah. And and in everything I do, I never have any income.  

[02:57:19] Unknown:

Cool. Trist, how would we how would we get ahold of you? You sound like a great resource.  

[02:57:26] Unknown:

Well, I have to be careful because   I teach things that   that put a bull's eye on my back.   And so,   I know too much. What can I say? And two of my friends that are like me are dead.   They don't want people around that know much.  

[02:57:46] Unknown:

Okay. So you don't want us to  

[02:57:49] Unknown:

contact you? To be on a personal level, not over the air.  

[02:57:52] Unknown:

Well, yeah. I have a phone call.  

[02:57:55] Unknown:

You could get my information from, Paul.  

[02:57:59] Unknown:

From Paul.   Paul. Oh,   Leslie and Paul?  

[02:58:05] Unknown:

Or from Roger.  

[02:58:07] Unknown:

No. I'm gonna say he's referencing Paul Beaner who has who has the free conference call that we're on now, who he's the one that,   created and keeps up   the matrix stocks.  

[02:58:21] Unknown:

Okay.  

[02:58:22] Unknown:

He's at the beginning of the show a lot of times talking with Roger of the different   places the radio show is aired and stuff.  

[02:58:31] Unknown:

Yeah. He set this up.  

[02:58:33] Unknown:

Well, in due time, I'll figure it out then.   Thank you.  

[02:58:39] Unknown:

Welcome aboard.  

[02:58:41] Unknown:

Thank you.  

[02:58:46] Unknown:

What's interesting about the whole,   not questioning the public debt, the constitution   was part of a contract   between the several states,   you know, to have allegedly replaced the articles of confederation.   They got all this federal money coming into the states, and the states can't.  

[02:59:09] Unknown:

You're paying for money?  

[02:59:11] Unknown:

Pretty funny.   Pretty  

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What's funny about the, not question of public debt is that under the fourteenth amendment is the states are all part of the constitution.   So states get all this federal money, and they can't question the federal debt.   And they're all, you know, they're all on the take. Right? So   pretty interesting.  

[02:59:44] Unknown:

Hey. New girl, Catherine.   Hey, Catherine.   Yes?   Hi. I just wanted to ask if do you spell your name with a k or a c?  

[02:59:57] Unknown:

A k.  

[02:59:59] Unknown:

Okay. That's beautiful.  

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K a t h r y n.  

[03:00:04] Unknown:

Oh, k a t h r y n?   Yes. Yeah. I've seen it spelled that way before.   Yeah.   Very nice. Thank you.  

[03:00:16] Unknown:

You sound like someone  

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met this last weekend. Her name was Billie Ruth.  

[03:00:22] Unknown:

Oh, wow. Billie Ruth. What a what a great name. My name is Joan.  

[03:00:28] Unknown:

I   isn't that something?  

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Yeah.  

[03:00:32] Unknown:

I see something. So we just we just did we just did invest in a bunch of,   precious metals. So   all of it,   I think it was Chris. Yeah.   Just said,   it's like, what do you do? I mean, here you got your money in the stocks. It's like, you need to get it out of that and get medals and something. Then as soon as you do that, somebody says get it out of that and put it in this. And   it's just it's like, where do you?  

[03:00:59] Unknown:

Having it in metals, I don't view it I don't view it as well as an investment,   but it's trying to maintain   your value because you know your cash is going down.  

[03:01:10] Unknown:

Exactly. It goes down. Ash is depleting   moment by moment.  

[03:01:16] Unknown:

I hope some of your metals were brass, lead, and copper.  

[03:01:24] Unknown:

Only the copper I have in my body   and the lead I have in my body.   Good job.   Wow. I don't know who that was, but it was very muffled.  

[03:01:43] Unknown:

Yeah. This is Chris. I'm gonna sign off. I'm gonna have to do.   But,   just look for what you love to do the most   and put your effort and your energy in that direction,   and you'll be successful.   Amen.  

[03:01:58] Unknown:

Okay.   Whatever that is.  

[03:02:03] Unknown:

Catherine,   the I I was just saying that you don't get   gold to make money.   You get gold to hold to your like Lisa said,   to hold your your purchasing power, to hold to it. If you gonna buy gold to sell it tomorrow,   don't do it. You don't do that.   Are   you?  

[03:02:28] Unknown:

Okay. I think you said, you know That's exactly look like Roger. He he believes that the price of gold is just gonna keep going up to the sky.   You mark my words.   I know it's being manipulated.   You'll see the market drop, and everybody that wanted to protect their value will be losing it and running for the doors.  

[03:02:47] Unknown:

Well, that's your opinion. That's your opinion. That's it.  

[03:02:52] Unknown:

What happened before? Thought gold was back in '99   and 2000   when it was 200   an ounce.  

[03:03:03] Unknown:

How about,  

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in the eighteen hundreds,   $20   would buy you a $20 gold piece.   And   now   an ounce of gold is   $4,000.   It it is a hedge to inflation. In other words, you in in the eighteen hundreds, you could buy   a a very fine man suit for a $20 gold piece.   Now an ounce of gold, the same ounce of gold,   will buy you a fine man's suit, a very fine man's suit.   And it it's a hedge to inflation,   and it always has been. And   now, yes, I agree. You have to have   water. You have to have   your bible. You have to have guns.   You have to a way to protect yourself. You have to have food,   freeze dried food or to in case everything goes down. And, you know, even the bible has said, I believe,   that in the end,   people will be throwing gold and silver in the streets because you can't eat it. But that's in the end. That's when the whole thing comes to craters and comes down. As for right now, it is   a hedge to inflation. And I've owned it for a long time, and it it is hedged inflation. It it's   that's my take. I'm out. I yield.  



[03:04:34] Unknown:

Yeah. But if you buy and sell commodities,   you can flip and go way beyond what gold is performing at, way beyond. And what if you just buy a farm and grow organic   produce?   You'll never run out of customers.  

[03:04:51] Unknown:

Excellent. Each   per  

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each person   needs to evaluate their own situation.   Some people only has a $100, some have a 100,000.   Some already have land, some doesn't. Some people live in an apartment.   So it all depends. Some just work for income   and they only have a job and have a little extra money to spare.   So it is a store of value.   Some people are very great for entrepreneur   or small business   and create. Some are not. Some are better for workers.   So you gotta evaluate. Sit down, look at yourself in the mirror, value   value all your sources   and resources and your skills. And then because what is good for Chris, it might not be good for somebody.  

Maybe he's been doing that for thirty years and somebody's new and never has done it before.   So maybe you need to store your value a little bit. Evaluate.   You only have $50 or you have 50,000.   All depends on the person.   You need the money now. You need it long term. You invest for long term.   So   Bitcoin or, or gold or anything else or silver, it will go to value. Many people think it's in the last leg, you know, has one or two more years, and then we'll hit the top and then it'll probably go back down. All depend what the dollar does. Some people think the dollar is gonna lose its value to zero and it has been losing its value since. But it's still ten years away. It's losing value against, against what? Against gold? Against,   land farming?  

Probably it'll be the last kid in the block because all currency in the world will go to zero.   But the dollar will be the last one to go down because it is the dollar reserve. So it depends.   You need to evaluate.   Do you have do you have kids? You want kids?  

[03:06:41] Unknown:

Thank you for that. What is of the most value?   What is of the most value? It's what's in your brain. It's what's in your brain, what you know, your life experiences.   Do you know something? Do you know how to do something? Make YouTube videos to start receiving money every month or   write a book.   Write a book.   My kids are writing books. I'm writing a book. Time. You know, write write a book.   In that invest in your is. You know something,   put it down where other people can receive the benefit   because we have such communicative,   opportunities   these days.  

The market is wide open wide open. Get involved. Do something.   Take your talent and put it the Bible says your talent will make a way for you. Your talent, not your gold. Your talent will make a way for you.   So look at what your talents are and put it in a form,   put it up on YouTube, put it in a book, distribute   distribute your talent.   You know, do that.   We're gonna be buying a printing press soon.   And,   we print bible we print bible tracts.   And,   so, you know,   get the truth out.   Do something constructive.   Don't bury yourself in a hole.   That's all I can say. Just look to god. God, just look at the scriptures.  

It tells you exactly where your opportunity is.   Look at all the patriots. What did they do?   A lot of them had gold, but they didn't bury themselves in gold. I mean, they were entrepreneurs,   all of them.   Just reread the scriptures. You know?   Get involved.   Go to a swap meet. See what happens there. Meet all these people that are involved.  

[03:08:39] Unknown:

Thank you again, Chris. And people look up John Forbes Nash junior.   Ideal money.   Okay. He was talking about that all around the world, and that is a worldwide   way. It's using commodities   rather than cash is stable. You can't change it like the international Jew bankers are doing, and they will continue to do,   okay,   to to suit their purposes. He and his wife were returning from Norway where they he received   a a prize, and   they were jettisoned from the cab in a crash, interestingly,   not too long   before that. I guess it was Bob Simon, who had something coming out on sixty minutes,   was killed in a hack as well.  

So these are methods of execution to,   get rid of people like that. But, look into that ideal money. See if you can find out about that because   he had the best ideas.   It was commodities from different nations   rather than   fluctuating   cash that one group   has control of and therefore has control of everything else.   Interesting.  

[03:09:55] Unknown:

So, Catherine?  

[03:09:57] Unknown:

Yes.  

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You are the secret sauce.  

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Oh,   I'm I'm afraid as my as a child, I was dumbed down and told   to shut up. And I have no   I mean, I have some ambition, but I really don't have any ambition. I just I'm just here. I'm at home. My husband's working. My children are raised.   I cook, make bread, garden, and that's just, and I'm friendly to everybody. That's all I   I don't know.  

[03:10:30] Unknown:

Well, become a a thought partner.   Become a thought partner.  

[03:10:38] Unknown:

A thought partner. What you're doing, Catherine, is invaluable.   If more people did that, living their life to the fullest and all of that energy   is expressed.   There's a supernatural   that people wanna discount, and it's not discountable.  

[03:10:56] Unknown:

You're sweet. Thank  

[03:11:00] Unknown:

you. I know a lady who bakes pies for a living, and everybody buys her pies because they're the best pies.   So she's she's she's flipping bread.  

[03:11:13] Unknown:

Well, I make the best apple pie. Well, I wanna taste it. All day.   Awesome. But who's gonna buy it? I'll make 20 pies. And then with my luck, I'll end up having to throw them out because nobody bought them. Well, you don't start making  

[03:11:27] Unknown:

you you you you give everybody a piece, and you take orders.  

[03:11:33] Unknown:

Yeah. At our mode.   Okay.   Yeah. This is a pretty impoverished area. I don't know why God put us here, but evidently, people here needed to   hear about the Lord. My husband and I passed out literature on Sabbath.   So   and people are very receptive right now to the word of God and Yes. They are. I wonder how they would be receptive to the word of God and the word of being a national.   Maybe we need to be telling people about that.  

[03:12:07] Unknown:

Offer a piece of pie.  

[03:12:09] Unknown:

Sounds good. Yes. Also about Nash, what did the Jews do? They made the movie Beautiful Mind and had somebody,   you know,   just like they did with,   with Irving and, Lipschitz.   Reverse the character so they look different and,   you know, to get their point across them. But what they did in there and it was a Jewish writer woman,   And,   they didn't want people to come off their meds. So they in the beautiful mind, they made it look like Nash   was on these or needed these drugs and was having all these mental problems when he had gotten himself off of those drugs.   Himself. And so you see how they do. So   there you go. You know? Really look at all of this   stuff they give us to, you know, for media and then   discount it and don't watch it because it gets in your skin.  

You don't need you   don't need it. Well,  

[03:13:09] Unknown:

just looking at the medical profession, you can see how our nation is trying to mess us over.   You can relate that all these money issues in the national thing because,   you don't you can't trust any doctor. You cannot trust any dentist. They don't want your teeth to heal, which they do   if you know how to do it.   And they don't want you to know that  

[03:13:33] Unknown:

Yeah. It's all about it's all about money and control.   Yeah. Yeah. Read. Yeah. Read and control. Merchants and sorcerers   rule rule you, it says Revelation eighteen twenty three. And we're there. So don't let them do it. I haven't been to the doctor in   decades,   and I can't see why other people can't see this harm. Now, so I have no other gods before me. So you put a doctor before god?   Go to him. Read his word. He tells you how to stay healthy, and he says he won't let you get sick   if you keep his,   statuettes. His command.   Yep. Exactly.  



[03:14:08] Unknown:

I have   a I have a degree in natural health. So I try to help people with seeing that, your body will heal itself. It's designed   to heal if you give it the right   conditions.  

[03:14:21] Unknown:

Mhmm. Nutrition.   Stay hydrated. Get plenty of rest is   are are essential. And as far as diet, well, you know, I quit using all animal products altogether because talk about polluting things.   You know?  

[03:14:37] Unknown:

Yeah. There's eight eight natural doctors.   Fresh air, exercise, sun, water, rest will help you feel your very best. Good nutrition, trust in God, and temperance   protect you like a sturdy fence.  

[03:14:50] Unknown:

Alright. I like that. And so, like Samuel was saying, they got the problem.   And I never could get the thing with gold. You know? I mean, we have all these reasons and excuses.   But back when they didn't have any Internet, they took it away, right, in the thirties. Yeah. And think they're not gonna take it away? They'll have families diamond out on each other. Right? Because you can't use it. You won't be able to exchange it   just like then. I mean, what's the point? And is there really that much gold? Look what they did to China   supposedly sending them gold, but they were sending them tungsten with a thin candy layer of gold.  

Yeah.  

[03:15:29] Unknown:

True.   Yeah.   Well, I'm gonna have to get off here, but thank you all very much for your time and and knowledge and wisdom. And   and,   we'll talk again sometime.  

[03:15:45] Unknown:

Thank you, Catherine.   Yeah. That's another thing. If you look at what the major,   employment and, work are in each state, there's only a couple that are manufacturing   still or a few.   All of them are health related.   So this is like What?   Health. You know? All kind of things to care care for your health. And you you talk to people and what they they wanna talk about, you know, what's wrong with them. Right? It's not not everybody, but that's that's the main thing is the employment is,   death care, I call it. And the CDC, I call central death cult.   Yeah. You know? I mean, look look what they did during the Devoque. Right? Which that's a yep, I said that purposely because it comes from devoke.  

You know? Hebrews right to left, left to right, and it's a it's a demon on your back. If you look at any and all of these things, you'll find they are spells being cast on us, and we're falling under them willingly.   Yeah. You know? So  

[03:16:46] Unknown:

I want a apple pie.  

[03:16:51] Unknown:

You have to give me your,   I don't know. Maybe you'd have to come pick it up. If FedExed it, it might not be too good after a few days.  

[03:17:00] Unknown:

Yeah. And we're over here in California.  

[03:17:03] Unknown:

Oh, okay. I I took my grandmother's recipe, which everybody loved for years,   and added just a little bit   of something else. And   I, I can I can send people to their knees when they take a bite of my pie?  

[03:17:21] Unknown:

How close to Manchester, Oklahoma are you?  

[03:17:26] Unknown:

Well,   I'm five miles north of the Kansas Oklahoma line.  

[03:17:32] Unknown:

Well, Manchester's   right on the,   Kansas Oklahoma line.  

[03:17:38] Unknown:

I'm I'm an hour and a half from Tulsa.  

[03:17:43] Unknown:

I'd say you're fairly close.  

[03:17:46] Unknown:

Oh, well, come pick up your pie.  

[03:17:50] Unknown:

Yeah. I have a sister in Independence.  

[03:17:54] Unknown:

Independence, Kansas?   Yep.   Oh, well, I'm in Coffeeville.  

[03:18:00] Unknown:

Well, I'll be.  

[03:18:02] Unknown:

Independence, Kansas is fifteen minutes from  

[03:18:05] Unknown:

Yep.  

[03:18:06] Unknown:

Yeah. Well, is it safe to give out my phone number here, or is that a big no no?  

[03:18:13] Unknown:

Let me give a pen.   Alright.   If you wanna do it out.  

[03:18:21] Unknown:

It's (503)   902-8161.   Call me. We'll get together,   with my husband, and we'll share some pie.  

[03:18:31] Unknown:

Alright. I have,   503902.   What's the rest?  

[03:18:37] Unknown:

8161.   It's a Oregon number, but my cell phone. So  

[03:18:45] Unknown:

Hey, Catherine.  

[03:18:47] Unknown:

Yeah. What's your name? Shane.   Shane. Okay. Give me a buzz later on.   Alright. Bye, all. Thank you.  

[03:18:59] Unknown:

Bye bye. Bye bye.  

[03:19:05] Unknown:

Well, that was an informative,   con conversation.  

[03:19:16] Unknown:

What happened to your show yesterday, Murr?   It was a repeat.  

[03:19:24] Unknown:

Oh, that was it with the replay at night. He played the first hour   from the week before, but the second hour was the second hour of yesterday's.   I don't know why he did that.   I have no idea.   Yeah. Yeah. Because the first hour yesterday, I read the Bible study from doctor Lorraine Day about free will.  

[03:19:45] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[03:19:46] Unknown:

And we got it.   God has will. Alright? To say you have free will is putting yourself above god.  

[03:19:54] Unknown:

Second will.   Second.  

[03:19:58] Unknown:

Who was the girl in the second hour?  

[03:20:01] Unknown:

That was, Melissa Melton Dykes, and,   she,   True Stream Media.  

[03:20:08] Unknown:

Oh, okay.   Yeah. So she, like, you know, that f bomb.  

[03:20:12] Unknown:

I know. I said oops there.   Yeah. I said a couple other words too. But,  

[03:20:18] Unknown:

did you to be on Jones, didn't she, Murr?  

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Yeah.   She and, I think she met, Aaron there, her husband,   on Infowars.   And and it was here on the Radio Ranch a few years ago.   I was talking about how,   Jones let slip on his show that when he was up there at Bohemian Grove the second time, right, or the one that we know about anyway,   he,   he said I had to call Aaron to come get me. And I'm thinking, okay, Austin, Texas up to Bohemian Grove. Right? And you just drop what you're doing and you know. Right? So I thought about it a while and the fact that they weren't there anymore and the way he has such a temper and he's fake. Anyway, he's Bill Hicks. But anyway,   I said something on this show about some of that and including about,   you know, imagine that car ride, Aaron, you know, going up there because Aaron had lost 90 pounds on   the regimen that, Jones was selling.  

But Jones, he didn't.   Right? So you got that jealousy feature going on. And,   you know, of course, I hear about them being Jews, and they are. And I'd say more assimilated, but I think they I what I said here, and I think it's true,   they probably had to sell assign,   what do you call what do you call it? A nondisclosure,   you know, a gag order.   They couldn't say what happened to get any severance or whatever from them because you never heard them talk about it. Right? And she came in the chat room I had and, you know, see, it was Melissa and the IP was Austin and thanked me for telling the truth. So there you go.  

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NDA.  

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And I think they listen sometimes to RBN anyway too.   Just other different things. One time on,   PJ Barton said,   Saturday night,   Lana Freeland had been on and talking about how Hurricane Katrina   was feared. Right? And she was on for, what, one or two hours. And then the last hour was phone calls. And then it came to my   little pee brain that,   why does no one talk about hurricane Aaron? E r I n. And so, I kind of think they must have heard that and thinking, you know, Aaron, Aaron. But anyway,   because they did it,   thing right after that. You can find it on their YouTube where there are other backup channels that,   talking about weird hurricanes. I think it's called something like that. But it talks about Hurricane Aaron. And it was in the news, briefly. You know, they didn't talk really about it. You could see the edge of it in the weather reports,   but   they were acting like it wasn't there. I mean, this just shows the control.  

And somehow they used power from that hurricane as part of the force field, apparently, there at 09:11 and all the stuff that was done.   Yep.   So why didn't they talk about that?   Yeah.   But that's a really good little short video they did.   And it was right right after that you know, it was right around 09:11,   whatever year that was. I don't know.   Forget.  

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You mean electro magnetic?  

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Mhmm. Yep.   And probably stuff we don't even know they have names for.   Yeah. Look at Judy Wood's stuff. You'll hear Fetzer putting her down. Judy's,   he still says it. Judy's,   dues. Right? Directed energy weapons. I I just don't get it why he says that. And other times he'll, you know, talk about directed energy weapons. But   he has so systematically,   home with others, try to keep people from looking at her work.   And he doesn't claim to be part of the truth. She's Jewish too. She didn't claim to be part of the truth movement or anything else. He's just trying to bring forward   what happened.  

How did it happen?   You know? Because that's what you have to know in court. Right? What? How? Then you get to who and why.   Everybody's all busy about who and why,   which is pretty self explanatory too.   You know? But, there's just so much going on in the supernatural involved as well, of course.   But   pretty interesting time to be alive. That's for sure.  

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How are you doing?  

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Yeah. I see your comment,   Jimmy, in the chat. And,   to listen to my first hour yesterday, and there's a link there for the Bible study I was reading.   Very interesting.   Think about it. You know, God has everything.   It's impossible for the finite to understand the infinite. But why would he place   the tree that they were to eat from and tell them not to eat from it right in the middle of the garden?   He knew they would fall for it. You know? I mean, it's all in his plan,   which we can't fathom.   But,   talking with,   Lorraine Day, I think,   she's probably right. You know,   universal restoration,   not universalism,   which people go for, oh, it doesn't matter what you did, you're saved, whatever.  

No. We have to reap what we've sown,   and he will   restore   everything.   He created everything.   He can restore everything and everyone.   You know? So   that would include Satan and the fallen angels.   So, that's what she says. She thinks that's who that lamb is. Go ahead.  

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Murr, you could you you could sort of say that, is like people putting a stove in their kitchen   because they wanna burn kids' hands.   I mean, I think God had the tree there for a reason.   They just didn't have the understanding   and the knowledge yet   for what they were gonna be disclosed about it. I think Well, okay. Let's use the other example then about Joseph.  

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Right?   Look at all the things that were done. But what did he say   in the Bible in Genesis 50?   Right?  

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Oh, yeah. I I don't disagree with that. Evil in terms of all this stuff into   into into what he wants.  

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Well, I'm just saying your parable there isn't an accurate analogy with what I was saying about the Garden of Eden. So   Well Of course, there's always gonna be things. But like she said, in her analogy that if if you listened or wanna read it,   is little children. You don't put breakable glass down where they can get a hold of it. You put in the closet or up on the shelf. Right?   And I had to say because it reminded me of one of the things Frederick   Frederick c Blackburn, Blackburn nine said about the, did this whole thing with,   the title of,   don't put that bean up your nose.  

Whenever we're told not to do that, we wanna try to do. Right? Wouldn't even come to us if we hadn't been told not to do it. Right?  

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No. I'm just saying that I think God would have disclosed to them what this was about   if they would have listened to him   because they went ahead of his they went ahead of his timing for them is pretty much wasn't his plan, clearly.  

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We're living his plan.  

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Well, they had choice  

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at the time. They don't have free will. By. That if we have free will, we're higher than God. You see what I'm saying? That's why the analogy with the children. This thing that people don't wanna grasp this. They think it's a choice that they choose God.   You know?   I don't know. It's a it's a interesting concept, but it it really relieves a lot of the anxiety people have, I think, if they realize   their need   of him.  

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I just wanted to say a little something about people thinking about prepping.   I pretty much can grow the food I need to survive, but one of those things   I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole   because it would have to be about   twenty, thirty times more expensive than it is today   to make it worthwhile to even purchase,   or not purchasing   would be beans and rice.   Great foods, especially in combination.   And if you get cookbooks on it, you can   know how to spice it up a 100 different ways   because   every culture in this world is pretty much,   turned their whole cooking schemes around it like the Mexicans and so on and so forth. And   it's so inexpensive   and,   you know, being health conscious, I like brown rice because it has more vitamins, minerals, but that won't store as long.  

You get about a four to five year shelf life on brown rice where   white rice, you're gonna get twenty five to thirty years.   I   pack mine all in ball jars, vacuuming,   into there.   And this is just a real inexpensive   way to have   a food supply   that,   will keep you alive.   If nothing else, but if you learn how to cook with it and make different dishes, it's,   it could be a universal food where you never have to have really the same meal every day.   So just want to throw that out there. It's very affordable.  

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Well, here's the thing. Beans and there's a lot of different kinds of beans. Well, there's a lot of different types of grains as well.   And you need a combination of them, but they don't even have to be eaten at the same time.   Your body makes up 11 of the essential amino acids. You only need to get nine from your food.   And you can get that from   some type of bean or legume and grain.   And like I said, it doesn't even have to be eaten at the same time. They'll find each other within you. I mean, we're the crown of creation. You know? So it's it's just   I don't want people to worry so much because that's what he says. You know? That's what he says. Right?  

Look at the lilies of the field, how they toil not, neither do they spin. Right?   He takes care of everything. Should think he's not gonna take care of us?   Yeah. Do the best you can do, but he'll lead you to because a lot of people are gonna be on the move.   It's not gonna be safe where they are.   No?   For different reasons.  

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So a lot of these narratives are just fear narratives anyway. Like,   just be able to see forever.  

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Well, you broke up there. What did you say? Did you say Israel?  

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Yeah. A lot of these  

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these are just fairy tales that they use to   to try to split a narrative that will give them control. You know?   I mean,   half the stuff is   is hoax   hoaxology.   It is. This Kirk thing And then you got yeah. You got everybody, like, chasing these. You know, like, Candace Owens there's a reason she's the most popular podcaster in the world now. It's so we can spend their time there with us.  

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Yeah.   I don't think she'd even be able to handle the fact that he didn't die.   You know? Even better, she'll show just how good a liar she is   because he didn't die. If you look at it just like the, 10/07/2023   thing, it's entirely AI.   Stuff comes apart and comes back together then. His shirt, the f falls off the shirt. Remind me of your email address, Samuel.   And then the mic goes across the shirt, and whatever blubbered up there on the shirt wasn't blood. It didn't soak in. In fact, it retracted.   And the camera up above his head may have been a hologram camera.   You know? Now Candace has shown pictures. She's gotten some inside things were,   from others, and they had these two boxes on either side of the where he was sitting that they never have before. And there's,   him. She has the head blurred, but,   you know, her her people did or whatever. But was that even him?  

What was   that? You know, I mean, it's amazing the things they can do now. You think people are right there with you and they're not   entirely AI. It's even better than CGI.   And they were using that for Kennedy.   I mean, they had already Disney had put out, Mary Poppins using, you know, it's just we get tricked. We get tricked.   But I don't know, if you've had some trauma and been tricked most of your life, you you kinda can get to see through it. You you're gonna dig till you can see what the basis is.  

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Right. And the alien intelligence are trying. The AI, they're trying to spin in there with even Tucker. Oh, I was mauled by,   you know, some some demon at night. You know? Oh, well, you sleep with your dog. So, you know, that they're they're taking the wacky right religious kinda thing.  

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You know? Well, really. You're talking about demons all the time and, you know, and and I talked about this. You know? This this happened years ago, and he talked about it before. And those things do happen. Supernatural things do happen. But he apparently left himself open to it   because that's the only way it can happen.   A lot of times, we don't realize we're giving permission.   I was thinking about that when I was thinking about the, let's say, the harmless bewitched. Right? So you have Gladys Kravitz. Right? She's like the Jew meddling.   And, but what's what's bewitched? Oh, it's Satanism.  

Right? She's twitching her nose.   Right? And supernatural things happen. I mean, they Like the moon landing. Yeah.  

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She Yeah. Twitched her nose in the moon, and they landed on the moon. Amazing.  

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You're right.  

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Yeah. And both the Darens were gay.  

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Yes.   Queer. Let's say queer, please. I'm tired of beating up that gay word.   Yeah. If you if you look into that, that's pretty hilarious too. All the different   different actors and actresses and,   a lot of times they end up faking their death just so they can go off and be with their boyfriend or girlfriend, you know, depending which which they are.   But now they've got everybody, all the children coming up so confused about all of that. It's   it's a sin, baby.  

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They try to get, art to or nature to imitate art. Their art, they put out there. Right?   Pairing all these blacks with whites and and all every commercial is black when only 8% of the population is black. You know? Yeah.  

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Mhmm. And I think they change it up in different neighborhoods where they're broadcasting different things they do that'll implant supplemental stuff as well.  

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Do they short changing those 5%. We're 13.  

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8%.  

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He said 8%. No. We're 13%.  

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What'd you do? Kill a bunch of us? Or maybe you're looking to a lie. Maybe it's all a lie. We have no idea how many percent it is, actually.   Just like with the Jews. Oh, it's only 2%.   Baloney.   There,   one of these reports, makes them out to be 30 to 50% of white folks.   Oh, and then we gotta have the disclaimer.   But I like that you Michael Jones. It's the juice. Alright? It's not all the juice. It's the juice.   And Dave Chappelle. Right? Two words you can't put together,   the juice.   Hilarious.   But Hey. You can't criticize those that roll over you. Yeah, Joan.  

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Hey. Don't you think that Candice   Candice Owens knows   that Charlie Kirk is a lie.  

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I don't know what she knows.   But at some point, she's   gonna have to be a real good liar if she doesn't accept it.  

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Yeah.   I mean, just watching her. I I mean, I just really can't watch her because, after   she came back on after her   vacation.   I think she really went and got tutored on what to say about Charlie Clark. But,   yeah, I've I've I've tuned in to her twice since then just to but it's like I can't watch her more than, like,   a minute   because it was obvious that she   but she's in over her head now because it's like to me,   it's like she's   she's,   she's trying to act like he's still alive and when she knows he's, I mean, that   he's dead. She's trying to act like he's dead when he's alive and   I just don't think she's going to be able to carry it off.  

And, I mean, it's obvious that it's not   to me that it's obvious to me that she's not able to carry it off   that,  

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pretending that he's dead. Well, she's not the only one. Look how many people believe that. And, oh, there were 12,   phones from Israel around the campus. There were, you know, all these all these factors,   but there's different factions with different agendas.   And I they wanted to keep and there again, this shows me that who's in control. Alright?   Just like god said, nope. You're not killing Kennedy.   He wasn't killed,   but he didn't live much longer. He probably only lived about six years.   You know? But, I mean, he even did a rehearsal at, Hammersmith,   playing with ketchup and Jackie was directing and stuff. But I'm sure he had an ultimatum,   you know? We'll kill you for real if you if you don't get out. The moose.  

You know?   Mhmm. I mean, if you you look at all the details and go through that and the same thing with the October just   look at it.   Like I read   from Judy Wood's book, her sticker in there about observe the evidence. Don't get distracted.   Keep studying the evidence. It'll show you the truth.   That holds true for anything.  

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Yeah.  

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Now the stuff there with, Butler,   you know, I had a show day after, and, I was sure it was hokey.   And I was right. My first impression, you know, be your own expert, Chris Sinkley said. Right? But I listened to Sam   Andrews and,   you know, his his expertise and everything and okay. And   and and apparently, he did go for,   consulting this church in Texas. It was five or six years ago. He's talking about it this morning a little bit. Didn't say the name of it, I think. I think he forgot.   Maybe White Settlement is what it is anyway.   And,   you know, they believe that, you know, they showed   coffins or whatever,   but were they really dead? You know, what what is going on? I mean, all these different things that the kid in   in South Carolina   years ago that,   some years ago now that, you know, they like to pin it on the white young   boys or men. Right?  

Because they're doing away with trying to do away with the white race. They say that blatantly. Many Jews say that.   Gotta get rid especially Christians.   Right?   So that's their agenda. But he,   you know, supposedly   shot this pastor at this church. And, then they had this review and, nobody got near the body, though. And was that even a body or was it a wax figure? You know, where and where do these people go? You know, I mean,   after World War Two, there were places where some of the Germans could go and,   you know, get some, facial work done, and so they take on a new life.  

And, you know, they're doing that all the time everywhere, and some people really like like to do that. Some people have come from some really horrible backgrounds,   and and,   it's a kind of a relief to them to to shed their skin and start over again over and over.  

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Yeah.  

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I mean, if you look at Jessie Sabodar and all that stuff, and she's not near the only one.   There was another one, I guess, that was legitimate. Holly Baglio was on,   was it Friday night?   Whatever night it was with, John b Wells. And   and there's all the all the same earmarks,   stuff they do with them. She claimed to have been in a cage   for a long time, and, they do do that stuff.   And amazing people can survive,   but   they train them up to do stuff. But this whole bit with the   health being the main   employment,   it's just so   parasitical.  

You know?   Like,   keep people sick and drain their wallet and go them off and that was another thing Andrews, though, talks about the peptides. Right, Brent?   Sound pretty interesting that they're really fighting because it goes against their eugenics.   It's not something that you have to take forever, but it'll correct   your problems and, you might live to be 120.   So   didn't want you doing that either.  

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Yeah.  

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But that's for US citizens.  

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Right.  

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Oh, that stuff on Gaddy's show.   That was pretty interesting.   Talk about your children.   These two guys.   And you have the nerve to tell tell them send them to Roger. After that?   What was that?  

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I missed those,   the fir I missed the first part of that. Who were those guys?  

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I wrote down the names. John   Ainsworth and Jim Kennedy.   And they're planning to go to court to try to get   their state   citizenship.   And I'm just like, you know, you should have just sent them to Roger, you know, but I can't tell him that.   But   what they,   thought they had agreed upon was that,   you know, anything that they said wouldn't be,   you   know,   shown to be   different from reality. Right? And so they were quoting Madison. You know, there again, I'll still have no other gods before me. Right? And so when   when Mike, quoted,   how duplicity   duplicitous he was, Madison, he'd say one thing and then lie,   you know, and say the opposite.  

And,   so this guest was, like, chastising Mike for I thought we were free to talk about.  

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It's like Yeah. I heard that. Yeah. Mike.  

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You you got a life for me or else I won't be your guest. Well, goodbye.   That was crazy stuff.   Shows you where we're at.   People don't wanna   grasp an entire truth. They just wanna pick and have emotional responses and,   you know,   make the state their god and whatnot.   And the articles of Confederation and perpetual   union are on the books still.   You know, if you really want to get people,   they really would dig and learn and, really want to   replace something or go back to something that was better and build on that like they were supposedly intended to do in 1787,   but that wasn't their intention at all.  

But there again, you've got the money system and   always gets back to that. Follow the money.   Merchants and the sorcerers.   And was it John Jay that said,   those that   own the country should run it.   Just like,   Trump pointing out Miriam Adelson here lately. I guess she owns it and so she's gonna run it.   Or if he's trying to because usually, those people, they keep sort of, you know, they they don't,   put them out there in front, only to,   make them look good, but that doesn't really make them look good when you keep pointing them out. Stand it up.   You know?  

Like, you want people to know what's going on or something.   Apparently, now he's, jumps,   gonna back the GOP looking into the Epstein files. You know?   So this is very curious.   First, making a big stink about not doing it. And,   yeah. It's a very interesting time to be alive, I must repeat.   And I kinda like that he's putting this big palace ballroom up there.  

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Really not.   Yeah.  

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It's an empire. Might as well do it before it crashes altogether.   Besides,   I'm sure they'd use it for   bunker and everything else.  

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Hey, Mara. I like the fact that he's one of the first events he's gonna hold is the UFC.  

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I know. Everybody's having a fit about that.   Yep.   Let's wrestle in the White House Ballroom.   Yeah. Some of these these fighters, though,   they're,   they're not dumb. A lot of them, they're very healthy and smart and, found that they could, you know, end up with some cauliflower ears, but, be very,   fit for life. And,   so some of them are you know, do podcasts and stuff, and it's pretty interesting.  

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Yeah. I'm Joe Rogan. I'm big and tough.   If you don't believe me, I'll kick your butt.  

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Are you kidding? Oh, and Benjamin calls him the thumb because he's how short is he? That's why he's always sitting down.   He's not big. He might be you know, he does work out and stay healthy. And he's apparently,   inspired,   ex lax ticks there to get back in shape.   And he was looking all of his age.   Then he looked like totally he looked like something from south of the border there for a while.   What was going on there?   But I have to talk about that again next month.  

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Did you say did you say   Owen Benjamin?  

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Yeah. He calls calls Rogan the thumb. Well, Owen Benjamin is, like, six to eight. He's a giant.  

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I must be thinking of Benjamin Owen,   the comedian.  

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Owen   Benjamin. The comedian.   No. Owen Benjamin. Right. Right. His real name is Owen Benjamin Smith.   But there's a black comedian that's Owen Smith, and he got there first.   So,  

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But Owen Benjamin, the the comedian, the, the flat earther.  

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Mhmm. Yeah. I can't stand him for that reason. I think you're both in that crap.   Okay.   But, yeah, he comes up with some stuff. I I swear,   get on the same wave wavelength sometimes. Because I was talking about how the,   the,   in 2015,   the,   what was his name?   Joshua Ryan Goldberg,   r I n e. Right? It's one of these drew few trolls.   And I know they must have   punches of bunches of them because it's the perfect   thing to do illegally   is to have them do all this stuff, and then they're not nobody's,   accountable for it. But,   it's actually   Fairfax Media in Australia   that busted him. And, they followed through, and and he had all these personas and stuff. And,   but they quick shut that down. That was in September 2015. And, like, four days later,   they had the, Muslim bomb clock boy. Right? I forget his name too,   but surprised the heck out of him and everybody else. Right? But they had him go to,   the White House and all that stuff. But they were covering up searches, actually, and everything else about   Goldberg   because he was going to   he didn't know he was messing with, FBI, and he was going to set off a crystal croaker bomb, a nine eleven commemoration in Kansas City   that year.  

And, of course, he didn't get to do it. So we don't hear so much about the things they don't get done that they think they're gonna get done.   So that's always encouraging. But anyway,   I sent letters,   email rather,   to all the hosts that are being put right away. Just as soon as the bomb on that bomb talk boy, what he was talking about, Goldberg.   Right?   And,   I'm I shouldn't have done it the way I did it, but I guess, anyway, I asked him, ultimate immediate. What do you call yourself that for? Alternative to what?   You know? Because they're saying everything that   the Jew media is saying. Right? Because they're recovering for this guy. But, unfortunately, Farron show show is called alter alternative   median.  

And I apologized and he understood and stuff. But   it just made me nobody was talking about it. Nobody still talks about   it, you know,   because this was a big deal.   And, the other big deal then was in 2017, the Michael, Ron, David, Kate are out there in Israel.   And that was one of the first things Trump did, is send a 12 man FBI team into Boston.   That's never happened. Interesting as FBI. Right?   Yeah.   Yeah. So they try to try to cover that stuff up.   But they take on all these personas and call in stuff and rip off Bitcoin and other crypto and stuff. And and   It was funny there in in 2015   because,   after the bomb talk boy was in November,   that Obama,   Obama's administration   let,   Jonathan Pollard out   on parole.  

And I think a lot of the stuff they were trying to cover,   some of it was the fact that, you know, Michelle was a guy.   What a coup. Right?   Yeah. Christian country. That's right. Yeah.   But, anyway, so, you know, people say, oh,   Trump,   released him. Let him go back to Israel. Well, what happened was, of course, it wasn't in his hands.   A bomber let him out in 2015.   And then Barr, William Barr, what a stinker that one is too,   he, let all the restrictions expire   because he was having to wear a monitor and whatever. And just in this country, you wanted to go back you wanted to go to Israel, not back to Israel. He was born in Texas.   Pollard was, but yeah. So he gets over there and kisses the ground. He don't hear anything of them now. I wonder if they did them in.  

I wonder if he's sorry.   Get over there and see what he was really up against.   Yeah. So many plots, so little time.   Oh, but what I was gonna say about Owen Benjamin,   the parents of Goldberg   were working with autistic children, you know, these vaccine damaged children.   And,   that was the thing they wanted to get away from. They didn't want that   anyone to dive into that too much. And I said, they're making an army.   How they're gonna use them, I don't know. But,   you know, these children are sensitive in different ways, but they're they can be, like,   emotionally,   absent kind of.  

And so you could have them turn against their parents or whatever.   And,   but they do have talent. Some of these autistic children   and grown ups now can dig into stuff like you wouldn't believe and never let go   and all the details.   So, anyway, they didn't want people talking about so Owen Benjamin brought that up.   A friend of mine that listened to him was saying he was talking about an   army of   autistic children.   Where did he hear that?   Must just be on the same wavelength.  

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Okay. I have a question   for the, Gatlin gun lady.   Murr, I think.  

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I'm the gatling gun lady?  

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Gatling gun.   Okay.   Would you,  

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Alright. Let's say that you were given,   let's say, a Bitcoin.   Would you buy   sell it,   trade it, or invest   it.  

[04:00:15] Unknown:

Well, it's hard to say.   You know, since I haven't been given one,   I'd probably just refuse it as a gift, actually,   If they, you know, that that would work. You know, it's interesting when I was at the casino one time, I found,   you know, they brought in new chips, and the dollar chips are right. And, it was the end of the run for that casino and the beginning of a run for another casino, and so it had   each casino on each side.   A really spectacular   anomaly. Right?   And all I had to do was, give a dollar to the main bank, and it was mine.   And,   but I ended up giving it to somebody that collects all this kind of stuff. I just you know, what am I gonna do with it? I don't care.  

And,   but it was very interesting because it really did a mind trip on you to look at one side, flip it over, and the other casinos on the other side.   Pretty pretty cool.   But,   you know, there again special anomalies like that or   or gifts or whatever,   you know.   Well, I have, like, a bracelet my my aunt   gave me bequeath   to me. Her   father had made for her. I never met my grandfather,   but I was born on his birthday.   But it's made out of gold,   dollar pieces.   And they're real little. They're only about maybe half inch across, but they're thick.   And, the clasp is made out of a British   gold coin.  

And so I haven't, you know, I don't care what happens to it. I have it. But, you know, I'd like to pass it on to one of my children if they want it. But,   I've enjoyed looking at it. It's pretty interesting.   Yeah.  

[04:02:13] Unknown:

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[04:03:20] Unknown:

Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.