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Thank you so much for joining us, and welcome to the program.

Alrighty, Will.

Alvin, as would we, as would we. We're gonna try again. It's a Thursday.

Kind of a interesting day,

usually.

Perspective wise, Thursday edition of the Radio Ranch. Roger Sales, your host here this morning

on the November.

Already

approaching halfway through November. Of course, this is turkey month.

So, boy, they go quick, don't they, Paul? Just

we we were just at Thanksgiving here very shortly, and, they're clicking right along, not

leading into my

probably my least favorite time of the year, for a couple of different reasons. But,

then everything gets scattered and disrupted and off the track. And then

somewhere after the first year, we try and get it going again. At least that's the usual procedure, Paul. How are you doing this morning? Good. I hope.

Can you, please identify the folks that are helping us extend our reach, give them proper credit

and

recognition.

Yes. I can do that. And, now that you've reminded me that Thanksgiving is coming up,

I have a 27 pound turkey that's been in a chest freezer for, like, five or six years. I wonder if this is the year that I'll cook it.

I'm kinda reluctant to do that.

I'm reluctant to do that though because I don't wanna be eating turkey for the next year and a half. It's just me.

Well, you need to you need to well, yeah? Oh, yeah. I don't even think your kitty can pull up the back end of that.

I I don't know. I I have no idea. Anyways Oh, well. You'll make that decision. We'll put that decision off for there too.

Yeah. I'll I'll, I'll just put that out for,

for debate,

I guess.

We're on a full complement of

platforms today. We're on radiosoapbox.com.

Thanks to our buddy Paul English, who will also be doing his program today at 3PM Eastern, Paul English

live. Mhmm.

That's paulenglishlive.com

where you'll find all the links so you can

listen to that. I'll be mirroring that on Global Voice Network also.

Does Paul cover the current events? I mean, did him and,

his buddy just yuck it up? Or do they cover the serious stuff or what?

No. They yuck it up and they cover serious stuff. It's kind of like a mix. So it's so it's all good. It's a great show. It's a great show. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It is. Absolutely. Paul's wonderful. He's the one that for those of you maybe know and not know this, he's the one that allows us to do all this. Thank good. Thank God for him,

who has made great sacrifices in his life to be able to pioneer this whole

area of Internet radio,

on on,

at a lot less than a lot of the other people are spending for it. So we're very grateful to Paul. That's the reason you don't,

hear a lot of commercials around here because

we don't wanna sell your ears. I I wanna I wanna get your ears and see if I can preach and teach freedom into them. I don't wanna sell them. Okay? Although those products may be very good, very viable, very useful for people,

I

don't like interruptions

in complex

explanations, and we lose people

in that. And so that's really all those reasons are why we're structured like we are.

Right. And and that is precisely the reason why,

the thirty seconds of spots at the beginning of the program,

are at the beginning of the program, and they are specifically positioned to be outside

where the program would be picked up and syndicated by someone else. I mean, there is a musical

intro that people can use to do that transition.

I'm not interested in selling people's ears either. However, I am interested in paying bills. Anyways,

we're on eurofolkradio.com.

Thanks to pastor Eli James,

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If you are connected to communications

in any way, you can join us. So and everyone's welcome. Good morning, Raj. And we we'd love to have you. And,

so, yeah, Thursday edition is usually a little bit different. I don't know why. Different day of the week, it seems. But,

anyway, there's, all this stuff that's breaking news wise. Of course, it's about the elections and

commies and no telling what else.

I did want to,

welcome again. I hope they're with us this morning, our newest folks that came on at the end of yesterday's show, Alma

in New Jersey and, her children. We never did find out ages or how many.

And, her cousin, I guess, who lives there in that vicinity

with children already. They're both married, obviously, hopefully,

and, invited their husbands over on Saturday. And

somehow, Alma

was at, con some sort of a gathering as they were talking about this stuff. And somebody mentioned my name, and she very

sleuthfully,

is that the word, like a sleuth, went out and found out how to get the spelling right and how to track us down and showed up on the show yesterday. It really

shows that she overcame a lot to get here. Okay? And she wanted to know the information. That's a real good indicator.

Alma, we're tickled to death to have you. And

should you have questions today, don't feel shy at all about just saying, hey, Roger, unless

get to addressing them. Otherwise, there's just a bunch of stuff going on in the aftereffects of these

elections from Tuesday.

And I'm shocked to see the penetration

all over the country

of the Muslims,

not only in,

like, the mayor of New York, but also city council.

Two or three city councils have got two or three of these Democratic socialists on it and

a couple other that didn't make the mayor of Minneapolis, but we'll probably try again. And, there are two one or two of them on the city council of Atlanta.

Atlanta's got a really big Muslim community now. I mean,

they've strategically

obviously picked these states,

and they've got a big time,

overreaching agenda to take over the country is

becoming pretty apparent. If you don't see it now, just look a little closer. You'll see it.

I think that's, forebodes very badly, Paul.

I sure do.

All the crap we've been dealing with communism and,

god, I just despise communist.

How do they suck? And I guess it's the economy and all the propaganda

that they suck so many young people into this.

And,

you you can't talk to them about it. Just okay. Where's the country? Show me one country

that's ever instituted communism that did it successfully and it was a good model. Well, there's not one.

Cuba? Is that about the best one?

Well, I mean, the no. The young people are so,

freshly,

extricated from their indoctrination,

both in the public school system and in the colleges, which are,

I mean, they literally bleed liberalism.

And

so they get them early on

and, oh, they're all pie in the sky and everything's,

fluffy cloud fluffy clouds and happiness

and,

let's everybody be equal and everybody have all of their needs taken care of by Well our beloved government.

And they just haven't woken up to the point that

that,

capitalism

is a thing.

Well And, you know, success can be had.

This big bone of contention with me, if you say capitalism, and that's what they're doing. They're dialectically

pitting communism against capitalism,

aren't they?

K. And I've been dealing with this question for you know, I've I've run into people that asked me this question. We got in discussions about it, not often, but occasionally.

Well, this capitalism's the problem.

Behold it. We don't have capitalism.

Capitalism was built on gold and silver and real money. It wasn't built on fiat money. Yeah. We have So you've got this this,

vulture capitalism

now by the by the usurers.

And how can you take and compare those two and call it capitalism? Well, you can't. If it was honest money, the system would work well. Yeah.

The, the proofs I have of that are I got into studying John Maynard Keynes

a few years back and,

and looking at what happened with gold and

silver, particularly gold after World War one.

I don't know if we've covered that ever too much on here, Paul, but all this reason they like to get you in these wars is because they can just print all this money. So what they did is they got into World War one. They suspended

all the countries were using gold and silver.

They didn't have this fiat money stuff, very entrenched yet.

And so, they put,

all that on the back burner, and then they could crank the printing press and

buy all the munitions and all the other stuff,

they need for war.

But then afterwards, they wanted to go back to the previous standards. Now you can go look this up. It's called the Genoa

Accord.

Genoa like Italy. They had a meeting in Genoa, and it was to address this situation

of getting back to,

the, regular gold and silver backing of their monetary supply. So they did make some,

some constellations in there. They said, okay.

Here in England, you can,

you can convert your paper to gold,

but you can only do it the smallest amount. We'll do it with a kilo.

So, obviously, most people didn't have paper money enough to equal the price of a kilo of gold, so they didn't get to go do the exchange.

They didn't want lower

nominated

coins, doll you know, whatever ounce, half ounce, quarter ounce

circulating because they want to get away and get onto these paper standards.

Now in 1920

early twenties,

was a, article in one of the big business papers over there, Manchester

Business Times or

one of

that type of ilk.

And they, were interviewing Keynes,

John Maynard Keynes and, Kinsey in economics, deficit spending. That's what that all is about.

And, he said we all believe that gold and silver would increase the economy like nothing else.

That's coming from John Maynard Keynes.

K?

So, that's the whole thing is to get back to the transition

of real

something real honest,

what what's, honest weights and measures versus dishonest weights and measures, which is

oh, we got it now big time. So, anyway,

they they knew that and all that kind of stuff back then. And so the economy on the paper fiat has cons continued to,

you know, up and down. They control the up and down. They get to sell short and sell long,

you know, buy long, etcetera, etcetera.

They always are on the other end of the knowledge of understanding how to to to get that,

to get that leverage for themselves and make all those profits.

But as that process has,

gone over many years,

you know, it's like they say, it was it's the secret

to income.

It's a secret tax upon people It is inflation because they don't understand it. They don't understand the monetary system. What Henry Ford say, if the people understood the monetary system, there'd be a revolution in the morning.

That was Henry Ford. K? And he's but I don't know if they're capable of revolting right now.

I

but regardless, the economy has gone through all those ups and downs, and they've taken their big piece out of it where the dollar from 1913

is worth about,

what, 2¢, 3¢ at the max maybe now. And so these young people that have been now indoctrinated,

Paul, in schools with this Marxist pablum,

now they come out and they see the stark reality. They what they think is the stark reality

that they can't buy a home, they can't find a job, do you know there's still people that graduated from college last year that have not found jobs?

It's a terrible job market out there. The, economy is horrible thanks to Biden and COVID and all the excess spending they did in that period of time. Piper's gotta be paid. The Piper's being paid now. And Trump's trying to get away from him because it appears that they're trying to use,

the manipulation of the economy to crash the economy and hang that on mister Trump. That's what it appears. Don't know if they're gonna be able to pull that off. He's fighting it. That's what him and,

the head of the fed with the rate dropping

drop the rate conversation

argument has been going on since he got inaugurated.

So all that's happening, and I can see where young people that have been oriented that way in their schooling come out and see what they think is the reality of it. It's not as manipulated,

but the reality, the fact that they don't have much of a chance out there in the big wide world.

You know, I sit here and listen to stuff all day, and I'm sit I I just think boy, I'm glad I'm not at working age right now.

Damn. I'm glad I'm not in The US and having to deal with all that crap. Sir, Roger?

Yes, sir Samuel. Yeah. You're gonna get me off my soliloquy here. Yes, sir.

Oh, you could keep going. I just wanna let you know I was here. I'm sorry.

Yeah. A lot of the reasons we have. Well, first off, we've had a terrible immigration

policy for forever. Oh, that figures in there too. Right.

But the other big problem and one of the reasons we have a lot of Muslims here is

all the conflicts we start in the world. They Yep. They end up Yep. We end up taking all these immigrants in from the countries that we destroy.

And, I agree. That's not gonna stop the way it looks until we go broke. Well, Gaddafi

Gaddafi and and Blair were supposedly big friends. I don't know if you can be big buddies with any of these people.

On the surface, they were big buddies. And Gaddafi said, if

I am keeping the hordes of Africa out of Europe.

And he was also desalinating

the world's largest desalination

plant for fresh water, and he was trying to put the whole

oil rich,

Libya

and as and Africa on a gold standard, had a gold type dinar.

So, yeah, we're gonna be a lot of Indian immigrants because of persecution. I know. Yeah. If you can't just jump in, please, man.

Okay?

Hold on. So what Samuel had to say? What were you saying, Samuel? Yeah. We end up with a lot of Indian immigrants too because of the tax system that's there, and people try to pull themselves up.

Not as many as Canada. Boy, they're inundated with them in Canada. Dave, what did you wanna say?

I I heard that they they were changing the name from Jew York to Moo York.

That could

be. Well,

anyway, it's,

they're they're very

I remember reading somewhere,

and, of course, you can our enemies are involved in this way back in the deep background.

But when all of the the Europeans were coming to The US and going through,

Ellis Island out there in New York, Statue Of Liberty and all that,

and the battle cry

was organize, organize, organize.

And you have to admit they're highly, highly organized, and that's a real advantage they've got over us.

And, I was hearing them talk about it this morning. All these

all these different

democratic socialists from all over the country,

and, like, a half a million of them went to New York

and went knocked on doors and did all the canvassing and all that stuff. So they work very organized like a beehive together. K?

It does not bode well for what's coming,

and,

it doesn't bode well for what's coming.

So,

for whatever,

that's what's going on right now. Samuel, did you have something to finish in your what you had to add here this morning?

No. Just, it it it would appear that a lot of these people,

especially like from India,

appear to have

quite a great intelligence capacity.

Mhmm. And we just can't seem to put up candidates anymore that,

can even speak properly in public

and make a point.

Well, I what what was the,

statistics that we were quoting a couple of months ago?

Fifty one percent of the people

a survey cannot

read or write at whatever grade level, and twenty one percent of the people were totally illiterate,

could not read and write. Twenty one percent of the people they surveyed in our country

could not read or write, folks.

So you're sitting here. I'm gonna try and tell them they're slaves

and explain this to them?

Uh-uh.

Uh-uh. We want responsible people here, and that's one of the really wonderful things about what we do is we hammer on personal responsibility

like the Bible does. You know? This is back on personal responsibility,

and you're,

you're you're culpable for your actions.

And that's the only feedback loop that correctly gives people a way to learn.

You take that away, and they're just gonna run wild. Okay? And that's what we've got.

So, folks, I don't know. I I I guess it's just to free a few. I I would have thought years ago we might could free the country with this, but

the stark reality is I don't know that that is cape I don't know if that's possible,

quite frankly. I mean, the choices in that New York election were so poor

that even the Jewish community voted for a Muslim.

Yeah.

And his, oh, get this, Samuel. His, transition team

is all females.

Oh god. All females. And they were talking this morning about if you got a wife and a daughter, go ask them, would you rather have a male boss or a female boss?

See what they say.

Now there is I saw I watched a whole YouTube couple hours on harem and Muslim background stuff one time. Now the harems

are somewhat

misinterpreted by us.

We think it's like having a big,

a big sex den. Right? Well, evidently, that's not what it is.

It's a finishing school because there are no finishing schools for women in that culture

and that the harem was intended to be a finishing school, and the harem was overseen

by whoever the sultan's mother was.

And if there were gonna be, girls that, went in and and spent the evening with him, they were gonna be selected by mom.

So there's political stuff even inside the harem.

But evidently, it's not just a, a,

bordello, if you will.

Interesting.

That was a misconception of me. Now yesterday, Samuel, at the end of the show, we had Alma came on.

You were you were here, weren't you?

And, Alma was there?

Yeah. She came and found us and

and waited till the end of the show to say hello, and we got to have a nice conversation and welcome her with open arms.

And, Alma, I don't know if you're back with us today. I hope you are.

And if you're continuing to have questions, I want to encourage you to please,

hit star six and continue

to put your question up, and let's get it answered.

But we've had a number of new folks. We had RJ, I believe it was RJ that Robbie sent. We've had a couple of folks that Chris brought around.

So we've had some new folks lately, and that's good. We always like it's the life butter blood of what we do,

because we're all wanting to strengthen our ranks.

I don't have any idea how many of us there are.

I got some

thoughts about that.

I I kinda figure, Samuel, that I've been responsible for maybe about 2,000,000

affidavits

going into the federal government, maybe more. I don't know. I'm just taking a stab

at a couple of million. That's still pretty good budge for one little guy, isn't it?

Oh, yeah.

And the reason I say that

This is Grohl. Yesterday

on the on the after show, I I know you maybe don't have the greatest opinion of Stu Peters, but

he's a number one target of the tribe right now. And I Yeah. I know. Fearless

from the way he speaks. And I think if we could get him to take this message and understand it, that would be great. I agree. I'm not down. I'm not down on Stu. 1,600,000

people that see him.

I'm not down on Stu. I like him. It's just that he is

a other people, he's kinda pooped in his mess kit, with other

folks and gotten some,

bad opinions of him. And I I think that's detrimental, and it does pose an interesting question.

Samuel, if we were to get on mister Peters, would that help us or be a detriment for us because of the negative reputation he's built up? Now I mentioned it the other day.

Man, the thing that comes to mind for me is what the Warner Brothers guys used to always say.

They had a little pin that they had, and it said any press is good press.

And I kinda tend to agree with that.

So I'd love to get on Stu

and and show him, this. And you know what would happen immediately?

His detractors would immediately leave him alone.

Hands off on mister Peters.

And so I hope we do get a chance to get over there with Stu one day. I do not dislike him at all. K.

So, Yeah. He's,

he says he wants his country back, and and this would be a perfect way for him to come back. Well, it's about the only way I know to get it back is this right here. Legitimately, it still may

break into

altercations, but it's about this this way we're supposed to do it. We're supposed to regress our grievances and address the government with it. That's what we're doing when we file this affidavit.

They just don't say anything because they're so scared of it. It takes away all their power and it exposes

them. One foot at a time.

One day at a time, Samuel.

Hopefully, I will get the

opportunity at some point in the future to, sit down and explain this to mister Peters

and watch his mouth drop open.

Right there on me. Right right here?

There's Boris. Yes, sir. Boris.

Good morning. Good morning. If

anybody is interested, it's Steve,

it's Steve Peter dot com. You could send a message to him right there.

I tried to send him messages many times, but you know how it is.

I Well, the the best thing to do is for all of y'all to do exactly if you if you you wanna help us grow here. I don't charge anything for this. I never asked you to do anything hardly, but this is one thing where we can work together.

If you'll all start, go to stupeters.com.

Find out where you can do the contact thing on the website

and send you wanna you wanna free the world? This guy's got the way that Mike could work. However you wanna phrase it. I don't care.

Make it individual if you want. So it doesn't look canned,

but flood flood his ass with emails. Send him every day. Just say, please pay attention to Roger's sales information. You can put the matrix docs. You can send a link in one of the interviews. You can do any of that stuff in there.

But that's the way we've had success. That's how we got on Rents. Who was trying to say something there a second ago? This guy. Yeah. The the other guy that came up, Roger, was Jimmy Doerr.

Gregory brought him up, but I think that's a good good match as well.

I I guess. I I've never watched much of him. You know, I've seen bits and snippets of him.

So but yeah. Hey. I'm welcome I'm welcome to go on any place. I'll go any place that will invite me. K? But I can't contact them.

They don't believe me.

Hey. I've got the answer. They don't believe it. It. If Samuel, this guy over here, Roger Sales, has got something you need to pay attention to, he'll pay attention to that,

but a third party. But

coming from me, I've never had any success

even to the extent of ever even getting a return email. Well, I'll tell you who has dropped off the scene

is, is our, trends buddy,

Gerald Celente.

Has anybody seen him anywhere in months?

Hardly.

No. So I don't know. I don't know if him and Alex had a fallen out or what, but, boy, he has dropped off the scene.

Roger?

Yes, ma'am. Robbie.

Yes. Good morning.

Celente is on rents now.

Celente left around the same time that Owen Shroyer did for the very same reasons.

So,

they he didn't like their anti Trump and

and, anti Zionist, I guess. But, anyway, Celente is on rents,

and he's a fireball.

Speaking of which Why has he always been on hasn't he always been on rents? I mean, hadn't he always had one of his regular size? Yeah. You asked where to find him. That's where he is, and that's where he's been. Well, I just wondered where he'd gone because I haven't seen him on any of the usual places. Don't know what if there's anything bad happened between him and Alex.

Alex Rodriguez can have well, it hasn't ever been I've never seen anybody allude to it or or mention it. So that may have happened. Okay. I'm not saying it didn't.

Jairus Valente was one of his mother's favorite guests that he had on there on a regular basis, so I don't know. That's why I asked the question, Robbie.

Well, his position is he is,

extremely

anti Trump and extremely anti Zionist,

and he left around the same time. So two plus two is five.

Anyway Yeah. What Harrison's Harrison's dinging Harrison's dinging Trump a lot lately now.

Well, I wanted to mention the other day, we were talking about Argentina and Venezuela,

and I just wanted to mention a quick search.

We certainly know about Argentina and their $20,000,000,000,

from Trump and that Malay is,

apparently, a crypto Jew that's changed his name.

But,

with a quick search, I found out that Venezuelan

president Maduro

has been very critical of Israel and has made statements blaming international

Zionism

for various issues in Venezuela.

And that's who Trump has,

this war coming up with. So

that's a fact we can't ignore. Also, another thing that came up on a platform

I was on, they were asking,

you know, who's been the most anti Zionist

person in our government outspoken? That would be Thomas Massie.

And, of course, Trump is going out of his way to

rid our government of Thomas Massie.

Well, he's been trying for several cycles. They've never he's so popular in his district. They haven't been able to do it, and they probably won't be able to do it this time either.

As for the anti Zionist thing, about a month ago, six weeks ago,

Columbia immediately

north of me,

and their president was a guy that started one of these

FARC or some one of these,

terrorist things when he was young. He's the he's the president now.

And they had 20 countries that met up there, Robbie, including Egypt and Spain, the two bigger ones that I remember.

But they met for, like, four days up in Bogota.

And at the end, he made the announcement that if, they were studying Gaza, said these people are gonna take over the whole world. They're gonna do exactly to Gaza, do what they're doing to Gaza to us eventually.

So there there's a lot of anti Zionism

here. K?

But Israel's got a,

Israel's got an embassy in, Caracas, I believe.

The gal that they're wanting to put into Maduro's place should they do regime change,

the one that wanted to give the Nobel Prize to Trump, she's a avid Zionist.

So, anyway, it's a messed up the whole thing's messed up. You don't know really who's behind what necessarily, and they're so

deceitful, and they have such wiles, w I l e s, wiles,

like Susie Wiles, his, chief of staff.

And One more thing. One more thing. One more thing, Paul. You better check and make sure that that frozen turkey after five years is still gonna even be good, buddy.

If not, he's got a very hungry he's got a very hungry cat.

Yes. Was that sketch?

Yes.

Gerald Celente on his YouTube channel, his latest is

Venezuela

is Spanish or Vietnam.

So

he's still doing it.

But, Okay. Well, I've got I didn't figure I figured he hadn't quit. I just hadn't seen him in months. So that was my

quiz quizzling this morning. Yeah. Well, that's pretty good. Vietnam translated or v Venezuela translated means Vietnam. That's well, you know, there's one thing that might be different from that though, sketch,

It's not halfway around the world.

It's right there below us.

Right over to the east to me, we've got millions

of Venezuelans

that have immigrated

illegally into Ecuador.

You see them all the time

because they can't get jobs because they don't have papers.

And so,

they are selling stuff on the streets. At every stoplight, there's somebody

wanting to sell you something.

You mandarins or the

something. K? Yes. Julie. Dear, good morning.

Good morning. Yeah. I I heard the same thing that Robbie heard that there was some sort of falling out, but, maybe he is on there and he's taking a break. But I got one of Gerald Celente's,

t shirt. It's really funny. On the front of it. It's in huge lettering and it says,

who the f

star c k

do you think you are politicians?

And on the back, it has a humongous

middle finger on the back of his t shirt. He was selling these.

When I wear it out, people laugh. And then the other thing I wanted to do, there's a rumor. I don't know if this rumor is true or not, but it looks true.

Some guy was driving on 95 and took a picture through

his front windshield. It looks like the Statue Of Liberty

is headed from New York down to,

down to Florida.

Yeah. You know, the only one is gonna benefit off. Heading off is down there, but, you know, I'm not a Trump fan anyway. So but, maybe he's setting up off out there.

Well, you know, the only people that are really gonna benefit off all this are the real estate agents in Florida.

Yeah. Well, you know,

they've got fire here too. Real estate's on fire here too. Well, with the with the disastrous

results of your damn election this week, I don't know why.

Yeah. I don't know. The head guy just think

proximity So proximity to all the NGOs, all the NGOs

that work for the that that run the government are located in Northern Virginia, Southern Maryland, DC. Right.

Well, how how refreshing will it be to send your affidavit to the attorney general now? The guy that openly says he wants to kill his opponent's children in their front of them.

That's the guy that's gonna be receiving your affidavits

in Virginia, folks. There's a guy that there's a guy that escaped,

Iran, and he's very upset and he said the same exact things that Khomeini said in Iran

are the exact same things that Muldani is saying and he said it's the same he's bringing the same thing from Iran over into New York. So he escaped,

Iran, and I guess he's living in New York now. And he's, like, very upset he's gotta leave now and find another place to stay because he's not staying in New York. So I think there'll be a mass exodus of from New York now that he was now that the election was rigged there too.

I saw a funny little clip of a guy that left New York. He's in Texas,

and he was talking about why he was gonna move back now.

You know, all sarcastically.

It was very funny.

Anyway, was there

they're, they're they have not,

hold on just a second with your hunting.

They have, not ruled out evidently

going back and potentially

charging him with immigration fraud.

There's some people in DC

Ilhan Omar as well.

Well, good. Get her out of here too. Mary's They're going after her too. Oh, all of a sudden,

please get them out of here. Get these leaders that they epitomized so much. Let's get them out of here on on legitimate charges.

You know, here we are. Do we talk about status change and all that? The only legitimate way they can take away yours your rights

is here. If you lied on your immigration

forms,

if you told them you were not affiliated with any communist party wanting to overthrow the constitution or any of that stuff, and you said no, and then you got in and got elected like Mondavi does, he's culpable

to not only be deported and to get that title yanked away from him, but to,

rip his, naturalized

rights away.

That's a legitimate

thing. Otherwise,

they can't take them away. You gotta give them away. It's the only instance, Joe, I know of where they can come in legitimately and take them away. Now what have you got to add here, Joseph?

Just a quick comment.

You can blame the Republicans

because every time they get in power, they drop the ball.

They drop the ball every time through Yep. Yep. By

putting

stupid

candidates

up for election.

Yep.

And, you know, they they have a chance. So why aren't the Republicans taking the ball and and going after,

the New York mayor

if he's,

here illegally?

What are they waiting

on? Well, I don't know, but Trump, for the first time today, called him openly a communist.

So maybe that's a step in the right direction.

Anyway, that's what's going on out there. You could get these guys out of there. I hope boy, can you imagine

the ruckus that would be raised if they do that?

Woo hoo. That may start the whole thing right there.

Right. We're in this we're in all these precarious waters, man. I mean, yeah, we're we're in

uncharted waters, folks. Yes, sir.

Is that Todd? Yes. I no.

It's Dave.

I, I remember when,

I heard an interview of,

Cenk Uygur,

the Young Turks guy. Yes. Yes. He said that they've started a new party, the Young Democrats,

and they were going to hold casting calls

and run

the winners

like a o AOC

Right. And the two Muslim women that won. That's how they got in. And they said, next year, we're gonna run a 100. The year after that, we're gonna run a thousand. The year after that, we'll run 5,000. Pretty soon, we'll be running a 100,000,

and we will be taking over

this country.

That's what happened in in in New York.

Yeah. I know. I heard I heard that Modi guy

say that the you know, when his election,

speech, he he said that something about a ten, eleven

organizer,

something like that.

You know, a guy that came to organize

right,

right out of Sololinsky's

book, Obama's book,

to organize these these people. And then he named, like, all these foreign countries

that helped him win the election. You know, it's not it's not just Jew York anymore. It's

it's,

yikes.

It's a yikes.

It's New York.

New York. I don't. Come out of come out of her, my people. Come out of her, my people. I got come running and kicking and screaming out of her.

Hey, Raj.

Yes. I think yes. I heard Paul there. I think Larry was trying to get in. Yeah. Larry's trying to get in there. Larry, please let me let me make this comment real quick.

We have to seize the opportunity for the country to be under a state of emergency because under the state of

emergency, the chief executive officer or the president has far reaching powers

that do not require congressional or senate approval.

And what Trump needs to do immediately is he needs to institute,

the same restrictions

on natural born citizenship

that exist for the highest office of the land

to all offices of the land, including the states.

And just clean house,

stick a plug in the stick your thumb in the dike and stop this shit now.

Yeah. Good idea. A little pipe dream.

Larry?

Yeah. A little while ago,

Samuel mentioned

that Mamdani

received a lot of the Jewish vote. And to be precise, it was 32

of the Jewish vote.

Candice,

on her show last night

covered this, and she said the same thing. I looked it up, and it is 32%.

And, what she believes is that Mamdani

won because this was a vote against Zionism

and their influence in America.

And what she did is she showed this video,

when when Mamdani

was,

was in a in a one of these debates

before you know, some time ago before he became

the mayor,

and there's all the candidates there

lined up, like, about six or seven of them.

And the the question that was asked was,

which can which foreign country

would would you visit

first if elected? Oh. And almost all of them said,

without exception,

we would visit the holy land.

And Mamdani was the only one that said he would remain in New York to govern.

And so Candace believes that

this was the reason he won because this was a vote against Zionism in our country,

I yield.

Well, it could be. I mean, it could be. The Jews have never all been wholeheartedly

in on Zionism ever.

It the back even a hundred years ago or so, there's still only about 35,

40% of the Jews in the country that were behind it. It took them a lot of effort

to get it

overwhelmingly

the way they have.

But that could be very very well could be.

Yeah. Roger, there Somebody's comping at the bit to say something. Go ahead.

Yeah. Well, they're they're like one third of the population of the of the city. So that's a big percentage when you look at the total of being one third of the whole population.

And

the other thing I just wanted to throw in there is

since we put heavier sanctions on Venezuela since 2014,

8,000,000 people have left that country as well. So

they've gone all over the place, including The United States.

Yeah. Including

Ecuador. It's easy for them to get to Ecuador or Colombia.

Are you on the job site there, Samuel?

No. That's not me. I don't know where it's coming from. Somebody else has got a mic open.

Who's on the job site?

Sorry. I'll I'll I'll close it.

Alright. Okay, Larry. Alright. Who else has got something to say about all this pandemonium

that we're either at or about to reach here? In the near future, we're in uncharted waters, folks.

Raj?

Yes. This this might be a good time for, you know, some entrepreneur to start a new restaurant chain in in New York

called Aliyahq

Barbecue

Moose Lamb restaurants.

Hey. Dave, don't quit your day job. Okay?

Yikes.

What a mess. I would like to see them deport the guy and relieve him of his naturalized

rights.

I don't know if they've got the political clout

or the backing in New York or in in the congress because

of the Democrats, which are actually in behind the scenes promoting all this.

So I don't know. Anybody got any ideas on that? Does anybody know what his stance is on Law and Order?

I I Sharia. Heard you. Sharia.

Sharia?

Yep. Sharia.

And I think they wanna eventually get it to Sharia law. That's what everybody keeps saying.

Agreed.

Do you know what you call a male Muslim with that you know, you what you call a male Muslim with a piece of ham on his

head? Hamid.

I don't know. What? A what?

Hamid.

Hamid. Get it? Hamid?

Hammed. Okay. Got it. I like the okay.

I like the other one. What what's the Jew you know the Jewish dilemma,

Julie?

No. It's the Jewish

dilemma.

Free ham sandwich.

Well, do you wanna know what you call a male Muslim with even more pieces of ham on his head?

I'm scared to ask.

Mohammed.

Okay.

Watch out. They make them burn your house down for all that.

Well, they don't need pork. What what I'll you know, we got a bunch of Virginia people here, most mostly females that that listen. I guess, Thor, we hadn't heard from Thor in a coon's age, but I'm pretty sure she's out there listening. We got Nancy.

We got Suzanne and Nancy, sisters.

We've got you,

and, man,

Virginia.

What is this? Did they cheat their way into this one?

Yep. It's all cheating. It's all online. It's all been hooked up to the Internet forever.

Dominion voting machines and Smartmatic software or Hammond scorecard software to switch the votes.

I'm gonna tell you, I really like that little black gal that was vying for governor Yeah. Against,

Sheinberger.

Pardon me? Winsome Sears. Her name was Winsome Sears.

She's I I really thought she was very sharp,

and I was really sorry that she didn't, win that.

But the only way I can think that she didn't win that was that the damn thing was rigged as usual.

And it appears to be. I know

well, I know,

I saw Alex holding up ballots from New York, and they had Mondavi on there twice.

He had two entries, and then at the bottom was,

Cuomo,

Cuomo, whatever his name is.

Grandma killer. Como?

Yep. Grandma killer. Let's refer to him as that. I yeah. Okay.

And, so anyway, yeah, there's rampant cheating. Hopefully, we can get some of that taken care of before the midterms. But,

it's it's it's just a freaking mess, folks.

It's I saw real,

I saw real

you talked about grandma killer. I just wanted to interject. I saw a really depressing video last night about,

the rabies vaccines, they're putting mRNA and killing off the dogs. Do not get any rabies vaccines anymore. And then

for

the, any,

people living at assisted living facilities, they're mandating

shingles vaccines

and,

flu vaccines and COVID vaccines. Still, to this day, they're just killing off the elderly population.

Oh.

Oh. Well, that's what they wanna do. That's what they the the whole thing for many years has been designed

to not have the grandparents

move in with the their children and the grandchildren

and set up all these homes. And there's some real legitimate reasons for that, but I think the main reason is they don't want your grandchildren talking to the grandparents

about the way things used to be and explaining these things to them at that young, tender age. So they shuffle them off to an old folks'

home. It's really sad. Yes. There's Robbie again. Yes, ma'am.

We have to remember that throughout history,

the synagogue of Satan has used Islam

to conquer countries.

This is their pattern, and many say that

the Jews created

Islam.

And, also, I can't remember where I heard this, but some are saying that,

Mandami

is

got in

by by being,

anti Zionist. But as soon as he gets in now, let's watch what he does because they say that he's gonna flip. He's gonna flip.

I'd like to see them as issue

him out of the country. We'll see if that happens.

Yeah. The I well, the the Zionists are behind all this.

They're totally behind this. It's the clash of civilizations.

They're trying to set up third crusades.

Christians against the Muslims. Exactly what's going on. Yes. Who was, rogering, there?

Jesse.

We have to be careful because, you know,

many of you know I've been in Michigan

and for years now, and,

and I've been interacting with a lot of Muslim community. They've been here over a hundred years,

Palestinians,

Islamists.

And, and they are in fact,

probably Michigan was won because they voted for,

conservative values, for Trump

and because they're,

supposedly Trump was gonna help the Palestinians.

And they don't like the mayor from Detroit

or even the governor. They're very family oriented.

And I have to be honest, even though I'm a Christian,

they act in certain principles more as a Christian than the one that's call themselves Christian that go to church every Sunday. My goodness. I believe that.

So we have to be careful putting everybody in one box. In fact, 90% of all Latinos

Latinos vote for Democrats

and, and liberal. And I'm not talking the the new Latino. I'm talking the one that been here thirty, forty years, and they have a socialist mentality.

With the exception of the Cubans,

they are the other way. They were 90% more conservative even if they don't understand the whole party.

So we have to be careful when we generalize

and we put everybody in the box. There's a lot of,

people that are more American than the one that been there over a hundred years. And, the number two thing is go ahead.

I was just gonna say, we found out the other day, and I did not know this before just recently.

The original Muslims were brought there by Henry Ford because they didn't drink, and they were great workers.

Yep. And the the new ones, the one that has been

in the last couple of years, yeah, those Muslims are usually from a Pakistani or other region. They are more,

communist or Sharia. Yeah. But the old ones, they're they're in fact, I call them like, a lot of Catholic, they're not really Catholic. They just call themselves Catholic and never been never been to a mass or anything for years. So and the same thing, there's a lot of Muslim, just circle what I call circular Muslim.

They don't even practice it no more. Another thing is I wanna say,

I I recently and this week, in fact, I was one of the regional, passport agency,

and I wanna give thanks to a couple of people and Larry and all that. We send notice, thirty day notice to the

to the,

Mark Marco Rubio and, and, Washington DC and, and the process center in Arizona because over two years, one of the showers that we we apply, we apply all we apply all at the same time. But this one took two over two years, and they did not answer. So finally, we went to the senator,

and, within forty eight hours, they responded as and canceled everything. So we reapply. But the reason I'm saying this, on the on the on this passport agency,

they were demanding vaccines.

And, and, if the one of the showers,

had,

ever been treated by a doctor,

and and they didn't wanna upset the secondary evidence. We finally, after two years and staying firm, we got it. But it was so strange.

They didn't have no right to do that, and they were trying to scare us. And the teller right there in front of the passivation, one of the agents, and we have to call the supervisor and all this. And then we got it forty eight hours later. But it's little it's a little bit scary

because some of the states,

they don't follow, any,

federal government law that you can't mandate

vaccines or, like, in the case of Florida,

it's illegal now. But in this state,

it's,

overwhelming.

They're trying to scare the people still. So

policy change will go back to what COVID was, five years ago.

Well, just because we got a few good people at the top like Robert Kennedy doesn't mean that the rest of the system that was rotten isn't still there. So, with your child, they wanted to demand that it got a vaccine.

What were the three things? COVID?

What were they wanting, Jesse?

Requiring? We

have to reapply again personally because this time, we didn't do it through mail. We went personally

to the one reason after after we've been to three of them.

And, and they were demanding or trying to scare us is the shot been vaccinated.

And, now the shot is over two years old and, because we started after one when he was mom one month old. And, in other words, that guy was trying to scare

us, but we had our paper and order.

And now we're we're sort of an expert how to do this now when you,

there's a child that has no no birth certificate and no social security. And ladies and gentlemen, it is if you're able to do this. Because a lot of the showers that have been done here, they already had a birth certificate.

But the one that don't have is a little bit tricky. They don't want to give it to you. We gave you the national paper or not, so she had no choice. And the regular tellers

of their,

the regular agent don't even know what the secondary evidence

is. Yeah. They don't. We have to go. And the army sounds good.

Well, there's Mark. Dude, that's what I was gonna say is you're dealing with these bureaucrats,

and a lot of them just flat don't know the rules. Hey, Mark. Morning.

Hey. Morning. I just wanted to tag on with what Jesse's saying.

And I apologize.

Somebody sent me the case yesterday. I don't have it in front of me, but it was a Abigail

Carmichael

Jordan versus Marco Rubio.

This was a recent Supreme Court. This I'm sorry. It was not Supreme Court. It was in the DC.

Federal

DC

District Court, US District Court in DC,

and she did not have a birth certificate.

She did not have

a Social Security number,

and the court demanded

since she was able to prove that she, you know, was born here. She's got affidavits from multiple people, her parents,

and the the US district court demanded that Rubio give her a passport.

Ah, good. And it was based on her religious

exemption.

It's an excellent case.

And that stood in the DC circuit? That's a miracle. I know. Yes. It stood in the DC circuit.

Yes.

Yep. Well That's where judge Janine

I think the one person overseeing the DC Circuit now is judge Janine. You remember her from TV? She's pretty good one.

I don't know. Is she is she being a judge or a prosecutor?

She's somewhere over over in the, Trump put her in one of those positions overseeing something in that DC circuit. And I think she's overall

now, but I'm just

not totally sure, Mark, but that's where she's working now. She So her name came up the other day. She she's Yeah. She's the US

attorney

for the District of Columbia. She's not a judge.

She's a prosecuting attorney for The United States

and the District Of Columbia. In the District. Okay. Cool. Yeah. Well,

I'm not a lawyer. One that hold on a second, Jesse. She she that doesn't mean she's the one that represents

The US and Supreme Court

proceedings, does it?

Well, potentially, if there's a case that went through the district the federal district

court of Columbia and it goes up to appeal,

she potentially could be before the US Supreme Court.

Okay. I think they call that a solicitor or something. I'm just not sure if that was her position or not. Regardless, Jesse was trying to get back in. Jesse?

Yeah. We didn't go to the religion route,

and, we used to follow the law, though it is. The browser, they have everything hidden.

Yeah. Yeah. And, the other one that took about nine months,

and we just give an extra affidavit,

eyewitness. You know, they have a d s 10

and, and with the virus statistics of no records.

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No, sir. Hey, man.

Okay. Well, see you later, Whistler.

Alright, Jesse. Sorry to interrupt, buddy. We had to say goodbye.

Yes.

What I was saying is there's no problem with the when you apply correctly. You just know and need to know all the information before. And we send an extra affidavit

of eyewitness,

and that did it. And that time with the first

data asked for DNA.

And and one of the person got really scared, I said, just forget about it. Ignore that. In fact, I Mark even said, just send an extra affidavit, and that worked too. And with the second shot and one of the

worst, processing center that a lot of the processing center are being automated was in Arizona.

And that's where our papers got lost for over a year and never answered, even though we gave them thirty days notice

to them. So, the one that Atlanta, we're physically we were kicked out out of there. And once the one that was there's no hospitality

there. But if you send us,

no social security

with, under perjury

and, and a virus that's facing for a child, With the d s 10, they have their own form, and the eyewitness them vows for that kid. And if you're really smart, just give an extra get your grandmother, get the the neighbor eyewitness of the child, and make an actual David, affirming that you you testify who is that person is,

that should do it. And with a little doctor, a chiropractor

that was there and the and, they also asked for the verse,

certificate of

baptism certificate. We didn't give that. We created our own blessing

certificate. We're not Catholic, and we just created and then put the,

a verse that we think the reason we don't do that,

a child does not need to be baptized,

then, and we gave that and they accepted that evidence, those two secondary evidence.

So after you know what you're doing, it's pretty easy. Now you have to reaffirm it because most of the people in there, they don't know what they're doing. They they don't know. In fact, they tried to include us as US nationals.

Now they remember.

And then we said we're not US national. We're just national. So in other words, they were trying to include us at Guam or whatever

that,

the policy that we're trying to give to.

If that's right, that may not be right. We still don't know the exact answer to that, but go ahead.

Well, we were right there in the tunnel, and they were trying, you cannot beat us. You're not, from an island.

And we we didn't follow the Okay. They were they were tagging American Samoa onto that. Okay. Yeah. And and then they said, they said US national.

So,

so it must be that. Because I verified that we didn't wanna China. We just we just gave our papers and stand firm, and that's why we want it. And, but they were trying to challenge us and and, and,

and irritate

us in many ways. That's right. But, yeah, that you're Sure. If you're new. That will not really listen.

What is that? New. I said if you're new and listening.

I'm telling you, the the test, if you can defend your position, is if you can object to these things

like Jesse did and stand toe to toe with these bureaucrats

and go, no. You're wrong. Look at this. Boom. Whatever. You gotta be able to defend your position. If you're not, you're not free.

I mean, I'm sorry.

Some people gonna have to start thinking again. They're gonna have to start using their brain cells and their synapses and stuff.

But that's the you don't pay me any cash, but you have to you have to pay something to be free. Freedom's not free.

And that's absolutely true, Armen. I mean,

Roger. It is true that,

that, you need to be informed. You gotta expect that 99% of the population doesn't understand this. And, everybody's been bought out. Nobody's gonna lose their job for 6,000,

6 figure job in their passable age. Is there anything for you? So you gotta go in there

firm on the dial and and understand the information. And and, John, and you fail like, we failed so many times,

not because of us, because

over two years, we have called that, number that they were over thirty, forty time. Oh, yes. We'll send it to you now. We did that. We sent notices.

We did everything possible

and did everything. We in fact, one of the members said we probably have to sue them to just to get them to answer you. And finally, the last thing before we are we're gonna sue, we went to the senators.

And I looked at that, and we said, you know, we need to we have to sign a paper for them to inquire for us. And within forty eight hours,

we received and the only excuse, oh, we lost your papers. We're gonna cancel. And we were very happy because we already knew that we go in person, we'll get it. And we were happy, but for over a year, they never answered us. In fact, about a year and a half. It took about two years and a half. So you have to be persistent. Yeah. And and that's a massive work,

Roger. Freedom is not free.

It's in there, f r e e, and then it's got d o m, but it ain't free. I'm sorry. Look at what our forefathers sacrificed to even give this country to us, to let us just let these people screw it up as badly as they have.

So sorry.

It's like I try and tell folks, when you file the affidavit, nothing changes. The world doesn't change.

You've got to be the change. The only way you're gonna change is if you intake the information and learn it. That's what strengthens you. That's what reempowers

you. That's what gives you the the ability to defend it if it's challenged like Jesse's

illustrating to us here. But if you don't do that, you wanna just get out of taxes and you send them this affidavit just to do that, you never learn anything, you're not free.

And this is a whole lot more about a lot more than taxes.

Taxes dwarfs

as to comparison of what this is really about.

So thank you, Jesse.

Mark, you

you still with us?

Yeah. Still here.

Okay. You got anything to add?

No. I I,

well, one thing I really wanna keep reminding people

is they're very,

our group tends to be, I don't know what you want to call it,

but

it's like they're pursuing

something.

It's permission based like, well, my passport doesn't say that I'm a national.

I gotta fix that, you know. And I wanna reiterate

I wanna reiterate,

I believe it was Bob in Florida

that had the discussion with somebody from the secretary of state's office or the passport office, and they're he's they're going back and forth, and they're like,

you know,

Bob's asking him, well, do you have my affidavit on file? Well, yeah. I'm looking at it right here. He goes, that's all I care.

Yep. That's all I care because nobody can tell you that you're a national except for you.

Nobody can take it from you.

No document

can say anything. And, gosh, I've been going back trying to find this case,

but I had a case that said

and it had to do with citizenship,

and they were relying on a passport, a US passport.

And the court said that's only prima facie evidence. It means just on the surface,

on the face of it,

is what it says. But that can be challenged.

It doesn't mean that it's absolute correct. It's in stone.

So I don't care what they put on my passport.

My affidavit is all the proof I need that I'm a national.

That's right. Period.

That wasn't that Ubuntu VDRC?

It might have been.

I need to go back In that case, by the way, if you're listening, Ubutu is on the website. Paul's got it up there somewhere. It's got the weirdest name. Ubututu,

v DRCDHyphen

ARC

y.

And that's what they said in that. Now that case, you wanna see the importance of this? That was in 1835.

Right. Even all the way back then, almost two hundred years ago. And it said a passport

is a document drawn up under the law of nations

where you're presented to foreign nations. It's an ex parte document, like Marx said, which means it's a separate part.

And

if the question is a matter of citizenship,

it is whatever paperwork is in the hands and possession of the secretary,

which could should be the higher and better evidence if it's admissible in a court of law.

That's why we use affidavits

right there.

It can't be overcome except with another affidavit

trumping your facts signed under penalty of perjury and submitted. That's the only way that can be overcome.

That's why we suggest that. Okay? So, it fits right in there. It's been law for almost two hundred years.

What in the possession of the secretary? Now, honestly, and I understand this, Mark,

most of our people don't trust them to do that. But we're not talking about senior politicians. We're talking about clerks.

And they're trained correctly, and for by and far, the most part,

they they handled this correctly. Now somebody was trying to get in right there. Who was that?

Hey, Macho. It's me, Marco. Look at that. Hold on a go ahead, Marco. We'll get to whoever I was just gonna say it's

I was just gonna say

versus Darcy.

That's the case.

And that's

perfect, Jesse, for that chair because I that's what I do. I tell people to use,

affidavit

to

prove that this child was born

here and is a national,

as a national of United States Of America. So American national. Sometimes I I have people put the,

USC,

title eight USC,

11 o one

and small parenthesis a

and number three,

which shows that they are alien to The United States,

corporation.

And then I also have them do the what Harvey did

as proof,

you know, whoever knows him and

have them,

put an affidavit together

regarding,

you know, witnessing the birth or knowing the person too.

What the heart is is the sub of the invitation.

Right. Well, Tom Schram,

who used

used I guess, he's still a friend of mine. We haven't spoken in years. He used to be on this show, and he went off chasing Anavon rights. But his son, Joshua, was born at home

in North Of Atlanta in a subdivision,

and I can't think of the name of it right off the bat. But that year was a year of a census,

and the census

direct taker actually came by the house and registered the birth of the child on the census.

He did not have a birth certificate.

Later on, he was wanting to get an ID. Tom was trying to get him a passport.

And this is the one case where we never could get a passport out of the,

secretary of state's office, and Tom's just so damn stubborn. He kept trying to pursue it inside the state of Georgia. And that's not not a state citizen, you know, that kind of attitude.

And he never wanted to confer they have no authority in all that junk and and, you know, those kind of statements.

And so I don't know whatever if he ever did get Joshua. But they came back and said,

you need to have, you didn't have a birth certificate.

And so they said, you need to contact the Bureau of Vital Statistics in Georgia.

And he did,

and by golly, they had a record of his Joshua's birth

in Georgia's Vital Statistics even though he was never issued a birth certificate.

So there's some strange things, not many of them, but those things happen, I suppose.

Thank you, Mirka. Who was trying to sue? Is the guy that was back there? Was that Sheldon? No. It was me.

No. It was Doug.

Well, Doug, you come around once every year and a half and expect us to recognize you. How in the world are you doing, Douglas?

Hey. I'm doing fine

as frog hair split twice

as you like. Four ways. Oh, frog hair split four ways. Well, I'm not Four ways. I'm not quite there yet.

Okay.

Anyway,

I wanted

to speak to something.

I was on well, I was

listening to the whole show yesterday, and then I was on the after call, which was rather lively and

informative

for however long that lasted, an hour and a half or so.

Mhmm. And Jesse was speaking about

his

trials and tribulations

and his success.

And one of the things I realized, Roger,

obviously, to me,

Jesse

was able to understand

and grasp and understand

the

the basis

of

the,

declaration

of being a nationalist.

And and that's what he stuck to. So he understood it. It was in

his heart.

He really understood it. And, Jesse, kudos to you

for your bravery and,

tenacious,

endeavors.

And that's the important thing that I'm mentioning here

that

he if you really understand this,

then you won't back up because it's based upon truth

and it's based upon law. It's based upon

God given rights.

That's point number one. The other point

is affidavits.

I happen to be fortunate enough around 2,000

to be

hooked up with a guy who was a student of Dan Meador.

And Oh, well, you're gonna get a rise out of Mark there.

Well I worked for Dan Meador. I worked for Dan Meador for almost a year.

Yeah. I I I took From 2001

from from 02/2002.

Yeah. Right. And you're telling me

Doug.

I don't know if you ever ran across a guy in the

because because I wasn't.

I was just getting information and papers.

I have lots of,

printed papers

of, from Dan Mena's work

back from that time. This guy's name was,

David Wilson.

Anyway, he lived up here in Rogers, and he was my mentor.

And

everything that we did, and this goes to Jesse again,

and

the,

affidavits,

everything we did, everything I did personally

and any correspondence

with this, that, and the other, and everything we did for other people,

kind of, legal papers and court papers and this kind of thing,

we encourage,

affidavits

because

affidavit

is the, I'll say, preeminent

it's evidence.

So when you say when you when you say, Roger, you send your,

paperwork in

with an affidavit,

it's the affidavit that makes it evidence.

So evidence Doug,

Doug, let me let let me interject

this here for you. You can do a declaration,

and they will accept and recognize that.

And the reason I know that is because the last one I renewed two years ago almost,

Down here,

notaries are lawyers.

And to go get a document notarized

to make it an affidavit cost you $80, and there's gotta be, oh,

you know, it's gotta be translated into Spanish and all kinds of crap. So I just did a declaration,

and it went through just fine. So you can do that. The reason we advise you do an affidavit and take the extra step

is that that is

one way to further solidify your position because the only way that can be overcome

is with another affidavit

trumpeting your facts

signed under penalty of perjury. Not only can they not do that, they won't do that.

So just just interrupt on that one point. And

what and so what we did it was a small group, but we were helping

just

people for free,

fighting different things.

So what we did

was we just had

some of our friends and family,

get a notary.

So then we had our own personal notice. Anything

that we needed notarized

to,

fulfill

the

the things that,

would make an affidavit

legitimate,

that's what we did.

And so, anyway,

that's what I wanted to say.

Jesse

understood.

He grasped

your message, Roger,

from the beginning, and it was in his heart.

He knew it. And so that's

what if you understand

this message that Roger is

putting forth,

you'll understand

you have the right and you should

fight for that right, that god given right,

with law.

And that's what Jesse did.

And,

so I'm familiar with this from, you know, a long time ago.

And,

affidavits,

you can't beat it,

but

you gotta get this in your heart.

Well, now also know this.

You don't have to go to a notary for it to be notarized.

You can do it with two witnesses,

and they will accept that also.

K?

Yep.

And the only thing a notary does hold on, Doug. I'm a put this in there too.

The only thing

that a notary

achieves

and is supposed to accomplish

is to make sure they've got a valid ID

identifying you

and that that's you signing whatever she's notarizing.

That's she's not there to give you legal advice.

She's not there to go, I can't do this. They're not there to do any of that crap. They're in there to recognize

that you're the person with the ID and that you're the same person with the ID that's signing the document

she's notarizing or he.

Sorry. And it's not very important.

Related. Yeah. It is. It's state related because the all these Yeah. The states yeah. The states are the ones that,

appoint them as notaries. Thank you. I don't know if they cost anything. They apply.

The state, I guess, does a background check on them and sees if that's the right person

and issues it. Anyway, you can do it with two guys. Put up a bond.

They have to put up a bond, and they go through a test

and so forth. So there's a little bit of point to it, but yes. Okay. Well, I I didn't know. My state

yes. The last time

the last time that I

had to pay a notary, I went to a USPS

store.

Oh, yeah. They'll charge.

Yeah. It was and that was for my passport and, card.

And that was $10

per They charge you $10? Well, generally, you can go buy a bank. A bank will usually have a notary out free to the public. You can go buy Yeah. Someone suggested the other day used car dealers.

For some reason, used car dealers will always have a notary on the titles. They're always they're always notarizing the car titles.

I see. And so there's several other places that they hang out at, but if you can't find one or they wanna overcharge it to two witnesses, your two neighbors.

Witness they just witness one, witness two, put a little in their their specifics, have them sign it. I guarantee you, they'll accept it.

That's biblical too, by the way.

Roger.

Yes.

Yes. Yes. Again,

I wanna respond a little bit to Doug and to everybody else. First of all, I'm not the best for this. I don't have the skill for this.

This was teamwork.

I reached out to many

people here,

and, and they helped out freely

by their hearts Yeah. Giving their time.

And, I wanna give thanks to all of them. First, to my lord Jesus Christ

and my family.

I we always say lioness. I have a couple of lioness here, and they did all the work.

I I gather all the information. I put it together and perseverance.

Another thing, and this is more personal,

it when we didn't get it the first month or the three months or eight or six

months, we knew it was a spiritual thing in our case. So it was God timing.

And things comes when God wants it to come, but you have to do the work.

And, you know, everybody talks about Ford.

He's a great genius. He created all this model t car, but he didn't know many things, how to put an engine together and put the cars and tire. He would look for the experts.

He was very good, gathering all this information to put that guy. He had a vision,

And, I think you're the person,

Roger.

And you helped me when I heard you the first time in 2009 or 2010.

I heard about 20 different girls. I vetted them all of them, including you, and I waited. But sometimes you only do things when you really need it or when you're

in a in a very, severe circumstance, in our case. But in my case, it was not me. It's my family. When the one day went through that, and many of you know the story,

that's when everybody woke up. And I I have a feeling that's what's gonna happen. And one more thing before I keep on and hang up.

I'm I'm mad as hell. Yeah. I'm not gonna take it no more.

There you go. Network. The movie network.

Howard Beale.

Hey, Roger. This might be a good time for a little training on an affidavit.

People I I see people that really don't understand what goes into an affidavit.

Uh-huh. You know? And if you're Brent tomorrow, now he's gonna call it an affidavit,

but he's just wanting to talk like

like Wabash County.

It's an affidavit. Tell him about it, Mark. Why don't you give us a little, class on an affidavit?

Well, you know, the affidavit is just really listing facts. Right?

And

on this date this happened. I received this letter on this date. I responded with a letter on this date. You know, so on and so forth. You're building your case of evidence.

Okay?

You can also say what your belief is

right like one of those is

it's not now nor has it ever been my intent to avoid paying a tax that I lawfully owe

yep right

If it's determined that I owe a tax, I will pay it as promptly as possible.

Okay?

But you get the idea. What I commonly see

from patriots for years and years and years and still to this day,

they want to add what's called a legal conclusion.

Let me give you an example.

So maybe you say something like,

I received this letter from who whatever government agency

and that violated

statute number such and such.

Okay?

Well,

the the adding on of what it violated

is your opinion

and you can't put that into an affidavit. It's called a legal conclusion. In other words, only the judge or jury

can make that determination.

Okay?

You just state the facts. Think of sergeant Joe Friday. Just the facts, man. Just the facts. Right? Because they wanna tell them the whole story of all the stuff that doesn't even matter.

So you wanna

keep case there. Very short case. Sure.

Yeah. In a cover letter or an affidavit. Don't try try your case. I'm sorry. Go ahead. Exactly. That's not where you're arguing. An affidavit is just

the facts

of what has occurred

and if you do that right

then that's admissible evidence. If they don't

oppose it and overcome it with other admissible evidence

then your affidavit

stands at SPAC.

And that's what I love about your affidavit because nobody can overcome it.

There there there no way there's no wiggle room in that one. It's a statement of fact. And this is what I've tried to tell people for years.

This is where some of this lost stuff that you're gonna be exposed to because you're seeking your freedom can really come in handy and be applied in other parts and areas of your life. Let's say you get in a car wreck. Yes. And you come home and you just go, okay. Bam. First thing. This happened this day. I was doing this. This guy did this. Boom boom. And just go get it notarized.

Should that case come to court down the line,

you pull out your affidavit,

say, well, this is what happened according to to me. Well, how about you? Well, guess who they're gonna believe? They gotta believe you. It's evidence.

Right.

So there's a lot of ways that you can really use this information

to your advantage

in other parts of your life. K? Most people have no idea

of something that simple

could have effects that profound.

Yeah. And let me give you another thing too. If if you're involved and you're going back with

an agency or something that could be a potential lawsuit,

if you write a summary and I learned this from Dan Meader and it, man, it works so good.

And I also learned it in my

internship at a

pretty famous law firm, downtown Oklahoma

City. They write a summary of everything that's going on.

So

if if I have and it's really great now because, you know, with computerization,

you can update a document, have a running list of events.

Summary of events. Now here's what's beautiful about this.

If you keep your summary of events

just like in affidavits,

nothing but facts, no

conclusions that somebody violated the law or they weren't allowed to do this or, you know, just the facts. So what happened?

Now when you want to create an affidavit on the fly, you copy and paste that over into a document

and you can turn it into an affidavit like Pronto.

And here recently

somebody's involved with the

I never thought I'd go there but they were

got cross with the child protective services.

I swore I would never get involved into that but it was kind of an extraordinary case

and they didn't have anybody to turn to so I just I didn't do any work I just consulted

you know

and

they thankfully had a running

history

of events

with dates and everything

and I'm telling you it made it a whole lot easier for them to copy and paste, create affidavits

and move forward with with going after the the CPS.

So

I hope that makes sense. You know, like,

people are they're getting these IRS letters and,

you know, they they don't know what to do. Right?

So one of the things you need to do on this side is

have that

running summary of events or history of events, whatever you want to call it, and it's just a plain, you know,

word processing document, whatever software you use.

And just

one I received a letter on this date. Two I sent a letter about such and such or in response to this letter.

Just work your way through where

if I really need help

I can email you a copy

of my summary of events, and within two minutes or less,

I know if I can help you or not or if you really screwed things up.

So So let me get on another example. Yesterday, we had our gal from Michigan

tell me to call back every month. I'm in the same thing. Call back. Well, she just take a list of all that, everything that's happened. And on this date, they said back in a month. On this date, they said call back in a month. On this date, now should that get to an administrative

appeal, and she's got that,

she's really empowered.

Especially if she has a call record from her phone company.

Yep. And she can show every time she called there. Now that is a supporting document.

Now if I just say without a recording or anything

that somebody said I kept you know, they told me to call back, that's hearsay.

Okay?

But if you got a supporting document says, I called them on this date

and they told me to call back in thirty days.

Right, that call they said is hearsay. It's not admissible.

But you can show

that you called them like every thirty days or thereabouts with a phone record.

So now what does it look like? Well, yeah. It looks like they told you to call back every month or every thirty days. See? So that's how you that's one thing with affidavits

is can you support it with a supporting document that proves

that your affidavit is true and correct?

And when you get into court of law,

then you end up with usually summary judgment or opposition to summary judgment

and it comes down to the affidavit

and the supporting documents because an affidavit by itself

is just hearsay.

You have to have supporting documents. So

like you say, on this date, I received such and such letter, and they're like, we never sent you one.

Can you show me where you got that letter?

And if you don't have the letter that you can produce, then it's just it's just like you lied.

Yes, sir. Got it right here.

Right. Exactly. You whip that thing out, and here here it is. You know? George. Yeah. With your your lather head on it. You remember George Gordon. Right?

I I work with some really amazing well, one particularly,

probably the most amazing

paralegal

I've ever seen.

Tremendously

organized. They had

a bunch of personal cases that were going on and they kinda got trained. They were part of Dan Medders camp

and so forth. And

they kinda got trained on their own

cases before they ever started working for a law firm.

And they had like three or four cases

going

battling government, right?

This stupid stuff.

And they would have a three ring binder

with clear

three hole punched,

what do you want to call it? Like an organizer or sleeve

and every court document

every court document would she would she would separate them, she'd put them in those sleeves

and she could, you know, if something come up with a certain case, she wouldn't grab the binders, sat down, oh, that's here, that's here, that's here, that's here. She had a running summary of events on her computer.

And so she could just very efficiently

respond to whatever came up.

And that carried over to where she started working for law firms and and doing

trial

trial preparation.

Folks, you have no idea what goes into the trial. It would blow your mind. It's one of the hardest things.

Oh, it is. It is. There's

so much work that goes behind it to get ready for a trial.

Well one of her

cases that she worked with one of her favorite attorneys was,

was basically a unlawful,

so what do you call it?

It's a wrongful death. It was a wrongful death that was in a notorious

apartment complex

in Las Vegas

and it was just

horrible. I mean just

thieving, drugging, killing.

Ridiculous. It was so bad that

the city actually

put them on probation

to prevent from having to shut them down completely.

And as soon as they got off probation, they were back to their same old tricks.

Anyway, this kid

that rented apartment complex ended up getting killed got shot

and by another

another resident there

and they went to court and they won a very big multi million dollar

lawsuit against the apartment complex owners.

So

you should have seen the boxes

of evidence that went into that. It would have blown your mind. They had carts.

When they went to trial, they had to push a cart full of boxes of all their documents that they might need to pull out at a moment's notice.

So and evidence that went into the record as well.

So anyway that's why over probably almost 90 of your cases

never go to trial.

Never.

They either settle

or or a party gets summary judgment or they get a dismissal.

One of those three are the most common things that happen

in civil court.

So, anyway, I yield. Mark, were you, were were you familiar do you have any familiarity with George Gordon?

Man, that name sounds familiar. What, where was he out of? Was he out of Missouri? He was a law teacher. He used to, he was, he George Gordon school law and,

he used to be up in Idaho. Then he moved to the Midwest and he, you had to pay him. You had to pay him in gold, but he's a very good law teacher.

And,

he's still on the web. I think it's georgegordon.org

or something.

Very good law teacher.

But he had, he was he was a very funny guy and he,

he'd go to court, especially government stuff, and the prosecutor

go, then your honor, this guy's crazy. Right?

So he went out and spent the money out of his own pocket, found a psychiatrist,

and took a sanity test and passed it and got a certificate.

And so the next time somebody would stand up in court and say, your honor, this guy is crazy. He'd pull that certificate

out. Here you go, your honor, I'll have you know I'm the only certified sane person in the courtroom.

Oh, wow. That's

fantastic. That's true. No. That's just true. K.

That's fantastic.

I mean, if you like, we're

we're we're being right now, if if you're, you know, driving around without a driver's license and so on and so forth, and you're apt to get your butt pulled into court,

then it would probably be pretty wise because one of the tricks they do is they wanna label you as a sovereign and ship you off to a mental hospital for thirty days.

And they figure by the time you get out of that mental hospital, you'll agree with anything

to to stop the pain. Right?

So

if you're in that condition, it might be really worth about every six months

going and have a certification that you're not crazy.

And then they couldn't just throw you in throw you in a mental hospital.

Did you ever cross paths with Chris Kaye when you were out there?

No. I didn't. I wish I'd known him back then.

I'm kinda surprised.

You go look you go put Chris Cave, Las Vegas

City

Council,

and see him confront him right there on YouTube.

He was a real thorn in their side.

They took I forget who the who's the governor now. It's his

sister or somebody. No idea.

They went in and appointed her

his guardian.

And she threw him in the funny farm for days,

weeks.

And he would call into the show here on the phone.

And one time we had him on for

an hour, and then he had another guy in there who the

Las Vegas police were trying to frame for the murder of his girlfriend

and all that stuff. And the next day, they came and threw Chris' asses out on the street.

Wow. You're right. You're out of here. Get out of here.

That was that happened a long time here, years ago.

Yeah. When Dan Meador was in federal prison,

he he was so good at slinging paper.

And and justifiably,

it wasn't just made up harassment

Uh-huh. That the correctional officers be walking down the sidewalk.

And if they saw Dan on the sidewalk, they'd cross away from him. Cross over. They didn't want to come into any kind of contact with him.

Don't wanna be served.

So, so let's see here. We've been jaw jacking Mark's here trying to get in and say something. There's Bob right there wanting to say something. Yeah. I am. Who is the alright. Hold on. Who's the first guy? I'll get you to him, Bob. Hold on. I

I have a quick question.

Mark, I I hate to bring this up because I know Roger Dunn wanna talk about traffic, but are traffic tickets

traffic tickets,

type of affidavit?

I'm not I'm not gonna answer that question, Sketch.

I just told you that if you find I just gave it as an example because the people that get pulled into court the most are the ones that are challenging traffic.

You know? And so

one of the things that they're doing right now

is if you show up and you don't have a tag, you don't have a license, and yada yada yada, the same old stuff, and you start using some some of the quote sovereign language,

they're going to fight you just right up front.

I'm just going to let you know that they're targeting people

who don't drive with a tag on their car

and they'll say that you're sovereign and all the judges

and all the courts

and all the land

have been trained

on how to deal with sovereigns. And one of those

is to throw your button in a mental hospital

for a thirty day evaluation.

Okay? So I don't wanna go down arguing about the driving situation.

You just use your own judge. Just use your own judge. Doing that, Mark. I was asking if a traffic ticket was a type of affidavit

with a legal conclusion.

No. No. It Well, it is a criminal charge? It is for it is. It is. It's no. It's not an affidavit.

It's an accusation.

It's an accusation from a police officer or law enforcement

that some type of quasi crime was committed.

And then you have a chance to go to court and fight it. But it is not an affidavit

and if you sign the

ticket

it just means that that you received the ticket

and it's like being served, Right? And and if there's gonna be a hearing in the future, usually, that's on the ticket,

but it doesn't mean that you agree with it. It's not a contract.

I yield. Thank you.

That you received it. Yeah. Just that you received the ticket, and you don't have to sign it. And but but I tell you, that's also another reason why they'll just go ahead and arrest you is because, well,

if you won't sign this saying that you know when the court hearing's gonna be,

well, we wanna make sure that you're gonna attend that court hearing, so we'll just arrest you. We'll arrest you, and you can wait until it happens.

Right. Exactly. Okay. Gradually. Or bond out. Oh, hold on a second. Bob is next. Bob?

Yeah.

It seems like AJ from,

Tulsa

was talking about

some,

call with coach.

If I'm not mistaken, he's talking about coach Daubenmire.

He was rather famous back in the nineties for his team praying before, and the ACLU sued him and all that. Well, he got out of coach

I thought that's you then, Bob. Go ahead. He's got he's got a ministry called pass the salt,

as in be salt and light, pass the salt.

And

I hadn't really paid attention to him for years. I had heard of him, you know, twenty five years ago,

more.

And I was on I I looked him up just thinking that might be who it is,

and he clearly

clearly understands the difference between Zionism and Judaism.

He would be right if anybody has any inroads to him.

He's got quite a following.

And,

just to hear him he was he was on an interview with doctor Sherry Tenpenny

who,

was in my world a bit famous before the whole COVID deal and became more so.

And the reason I say that is because we didn't vaccinate our children at all, and she was one of my

go tos, if you will, as far as reading some of her stuff back in the day.

And he was on with her, and they were

very,

a like mind.

And at any rate, if if

AJ has any inroads to that group,

he would be a sympathetic

ear because he's already very well aware of the difference between Zionism and Judaism.

Bob know. Was

Bob, was it RJ or a I think it's RJ. Robbie's the It's RJ. Okay. Thank you. Sorry.

It's RJ, and I'm I'm on that platform every morning,

seven to 8AM.

And so what I wanted to tell you about coach Dave, because I must Now that is that correct?

It's Devon Meyer?

Yes. It is. Okay. I'm gonna sign out. I just wanted to bring that forward.

Yeah. I had heard about him on another

another network that I listened to

and started listening to him and was really excited because it is really,

first and foremost, a a Christian community, and they're all really

asking all the good questions and helping each other move forward. So that's why I got in. But before I decided to listen regularly, I sent him at least a half a dozen emails to make sure he was right on that topic because, otherwise, I felt like I was wasting my time.

I have shared Roger's

message,

you know, and links on that several times.

The only thing is they do have another guy on that platform

that has another,

idea

of this.

And so all I can keep doing and and he's actually presented a pres presentations

on this, and he charges

for his presentations. But, anyway,

I I I would love to see Roger on Roger on that platform,

but I'm afraid it might be too too early for him. But, also, we can find out if he would be willing

to do a prerecorded.

Ah. So, anyway, that's

I don't have any problem doing a prerecorded interview, and he could play it. But I'm not getting up to do no 7AM

shows. Understood.

Understood. There's some things that Roger ain't gonna do. You know?

So Free is a free is a very attractive word to people.

You say this other guy charges,

and his results are likely dubious.

Free is a very attractive word.

It's one of the most powerful words in the language, actually.

Who was trying to get say something there behind Bob?

That was that's Dwayne.

I'm Dwayne.

Dwayne. I'll do Aunt Annie. Well, I'll I'll just turn the whole thing show over to Dwayne just to hear him talk. Hey, Dwayne.

Hey. How y'all doing?

When y'all mentioned George Gordon,

he was one of the first guys I listened to

on all this about what is probably twenty five years ago.

At least. He was a he was a plumber,

and he actually took pro se two cases all the way to the Supreme Court in one.

The man was amazed. Guy. So and it's He used to be Yeah. I think his site's still up. I haven't gone to it in a long time. But

about two years ago, I went to it. I think it's georgia.org

or something like that. It's very simple.

Yeah. Something like that. He's a very good law teacher.

You know what? And he's got a lot

of compliments. Archives

on there for sure. Yes. So, anyway.

One of the greatest compliments when I first started was someone told me George Gordon was teaching my approach to citizenship,

and and I was quite flattered about that.

That is is rightfully so. That man was amazing. But, anyway He was cool. Great to hear from you, Dwayne. Thanks. Okay. Y'all take care. Thank you. Alright, man. Gordon? Oh, yes.

Yes. I I know Waib's back there. Yeah. Paul George Gordon?

I have all of the, George Gordon audio episodes.

And Okay.

One of these days one of these days, I would, like, have a pet project and use the second,

Global Voice Network channel

and just upload those

archives there and just let AI have Adam,

you know? Yeah. Yeah. One of these days. He was very, very respected. A lot of people I don't know a lot of people, but went through people, went through his course, and he charged you in gold. And,

he's very good teacher as you can hear from the

archives that are still around. Thank you, Dwayne. Always a pleasure to hear that.

That that accent, my friend. What about Waheed? His

accent. Waheed, what about it? What about it?

Yeah. The first time the first time I heard about George Gordon,

Padgett,

Padgett recommended him to me in, Padgett Hildebrand.

And that was the first time I ever heard him. I haven't heard his name since you said it about an hour ago, about thirty minutes ago.

Yep. He was, he was one of the people that,

well, paved the way for us here. Did a lot of sacrifice for a number of years. He's quite successful. I don't they they never screwed with him hardly to my knowledge.

They just kinda hands off with him.

But, anyway, yep. George Gordon, one of the greats. Hey, Larry.

Hey. I just wanted to comment,

make a comment about something that,

that Mark talked about. He said that he should always, he recommends

putting language in your affidavit,

especially to the IRS

that's that says something to the effect that it is not

my intent to not pay a lawful tax that I lawfully owe. And,

I just wanna suggest an alternative

to that. I mean, that's fine if you wanna do that. It's good.

But, what I've what I recommend is not to put that statement in,

and I like to keep things really short and sweet.

And so at the top in in the, title, you could put legal lawful notice

not to be construed as a frivolous filing,

not to be construed as a tax protest.

And that would kinda have the same effect because

in the body of your affidavit

or whatever cover letter you're writing,

if it's a notice,

You're kinda explaining that already. Like, you're saying I'm I'm only

required to pay two constitutional taxes according to the the, the code that you always quote. And so you're kinda saying the same thing. So, anyway, just my 2¢

comment. What you're doing is setting up the will the taking away the, you know, dealing with willfulness

because the charge is willful

failure to file.

Exactly. That is why things forward and put them in front of you, and you didn't say no. Go ahead, Paul. That is why that bottom line is so important. It is not no

nor has it ever been my intent

to not pay a tax that I ought lawfully owe. You're setting the stage that it is lawful taxes you will pay.

You are setting the stage that you have no intent

to

not pay taxes

that you lawfully owe, and it covers many more bases than just, oh, I'm not a tax protester.

Prove it. Well Yeah. Why is that intent important?

Why is showing your intent important, Paul? Because intent is the only thing they have jurisdiction over.

Well You can't have a law you cannot break a law without intent. It's willfully

breaking the law. Your intent is to break the law.

Well, criminally.

It's criminal intent.

Right. So you're you're proving by your statement

that I'm not intending

to not pay a tax that I lawfully owe.

And you can say it however you want, but you know the IRS can go back and forth on the dates of when taxes were filed. So you say

it it's never been not, you know, it's not now or or has it ever been my intent.

So it just takes the whole criminal

potential

off the table.

Yeah. So hopefully that helps. And that

yeah. And wasn't that with Cheek? Cheek won on that, didn't he?

I believe so. I believe that was one of the deals that come out of the Cheek. US v Cheek. Cheek was a airline pilot,

took his tax case to the Supreme Court, and he won on this willfulness thing. So all of a sudden, all these law firms started with their tax people, started setting up cases and ways to try and ride on the coattail of that. They didn't let it last Right. Too long, but it's very valid. Go ahead, Mark.

Well, they were really riding on the coattails of good faith. It was a good faith argument. Right? In other words,

he didn't intend,

but it was it was based he beat it by good faith. Well, they didn't take him too long how to figure out how to work around the good faith argument.

And,

Larry Becraft

kept promoting

the good faith argument. People were going down in flames

and and still losing. So that's why that intent is really important that if you're dealing anything

that potentially

could be related to some type of

criminal activity,

you know, and that's why you have the difference between

first degree murder and manslaughter.

You know? Right. It wasn't it

wasn't intentional. It was a total accident,

but it somehow I might have been at fault. It's manslaughter.

See? Yeah. So big difference.

I yield. They hate

they hate to lose cases like Cheek, by the way. I think it makes sense to reiterate that statement one more time.

It is not now

nor has it ever been

my intent

to

evade

paying a tax I lawfully owe. You're setting the stage for,

they cannot charge you with evasion.

They cannot

unlawfully

or legally charge you because you're

paying lawful taxes,

and you cover the intent

aspect right there. Paul. It is not now

nor has it ever been my intent to evade

paying a tax I lawfully

owe.

Paul, do you know the difference between evasion and avoidance?

Twenty years.

A cell wall.

Mhmm. Roger? Yeah. Something like that. Yes. Hey. Sam Can I get in here? Yeah. George Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. I'll hold it. Six case

just real quick. George Gordon got six cases

to the Supreme Court.

And in a in a more local title 42 case,

he actually got it paid in gold.

Is that right?

Good for him. Who's the guy who's going to get in here? That's I don't wanna chuck anybody out. You gotta talk louder. There's Doug? It's Doug.

Yeah. Hurry up, Doug. We don't have much time left. It's Doug. Alright.

Okay.

So one of the things going back to the affidavits,

you wanna be factual,

but

when you're talking about facts,

many times you're dealing with dates.

And so one of the tools

in the toolbox

is if you're not sure,

don't just guess. You can say on or about Or about. This date.

Yep. Good point. And

and the other thing is,

when I was doing the work I was doing back around 2000,

we were helping people

who had were paying people

to help them. The the

the client was unaware of anything. So they would pay these people,

and they would,

every,

so so,

like, dealing with IRS, I'd buy an IRS manual. I would study it. In dealing with Arkansas,

I'd buy

in Arkansas,

you know,

a code of,

annotated,

but court rules,

and they change

from,

sometimes in counties.

So I would we would get something.

Some the the, this person

was in trouble,

and we'd read

their,

what they submitted to the court, and it was

totally out of,

I mean,

it was just it was not applicable

because somebody cookie cutted this thing for this person.

And

I'm sure if the judge read this,

he would go he would laugh

because it was

it was

ridiculous.

So Be succinct. Had to do a lot of research

to,

pardon me?

I said be succinct in your affidavit. Go ahead.

Well, you have to know the jurisdiction

you're in.

Local court. I'm not well, I'm just talking about the facts that you're stating. Be succinct on this facts that you're stating. An affidavit, as Mark said, is just facts.

Yes. No conclusions. Just facts. Rules with the particular court you're dealing with,

they change things a little bit, and you have to be aware. So we read these things, and they were totally inapplicable

to the client.

So,

just don't go

you have to know the information.

Yep. Good points, Doug.

Especially that annotated code and local rules.

Local rules, voter support rules,

and annotated,

statutes and codes.

Brilliant.

Did you go to the clerk and ask him if there are special local rules applying to affidavits for their court or jurisdiction?

I didn't.

Okay.

Was that Larry trying to say something?

Yeah. I was just gonna say the IRS can only have a presumption of criminal intent

if they have jurisdiction

over the proposed taxpayer,

but we remove ourselves from the jurisdiction of the federal government and its agencies through our affidavit.

Yep.

Thank goodness.

Thank you, Lord. I appreciate you having me cross paths with John and Glenn so many years ago,

And, the lessons and the good information

gleaned and the kick in the ass you gave me to get me moving down this path.

They'll have to kill me and stop me. So before it's over Can I ask you a question?

Yeah.

Wait for a break. We're right at the end of the show. Just hold on for a second and we'll tail off and cut the broadcast part off, and then we can have a little private conversation. So if you wait just a second, it's Annie. Right? You were trying to say ask something a minute ago, and we just kept barging right over you, and I forgot about you. I apologize.

So if you'll just hold on a second,

we'll get off, and they'll lay our bodies down, and we're gone. See you tomorrow with Brent.

Good. Okay, Annie. I am so sorry, dear. My bad.

It's alright.

I because I'm just beginning this process, I feel like maybe some of my questions are a bit foolish. But,

who do I send

who do I send the affidavits to other than the secretary of state of DC and the IRS? Do I also send it to I understand that I send it to secretary of state of my state as well.

Right. Well, it depends on you.

Are you having any other problems

with any federal government agencies? Do you have any children?

No. I have no children

of my own. You can you can rule, CPS out, which is something a lot of moms and dads wanna get them served real quick.

It's about the only thing that stops those people we've seen.

It depends on you. Yes. There's kind of a, a set

little protocol.

Those two at the federal level are the main. You send the blank to the secretary of state,

then

you can send it in and get a passport card, and then you want to notify the IRS, more than likely.

And, after that, you're gonna revert back to the state and you're in Annie, you're in Jacksonville. Right?

Right.

Okay. So you're gonna send to the attorney general

of Florida,

and you're going to do CC. Do you know about carbon copies from the old,

corporate days?

Yes. You're gonna okay. Well, you cc at the bottom, your sheriff,

your local chief of police,

your local prosecutor.

That ought to do it, really. You could send out to other people if you feel you need to, but those three cover the main bases. And you simply send them what you're gonna send the attorney general.

I'd probably go ahead and do it with green,

certified cards

requested Okay. And, build files on each one of them and have it where you could readily access that stuff should you need to. More than likely, you won't.

But I think that's about the only ones right there. Oh, when you do the IRS, it's a good suggestion.

When you do the IRS,

copy. Well, there is no you don't have income tax in Florida, so that's not that's not applicable to you.

But

Right. Other people that do have state income tax, they could copy CC

the same way you do with the state people you could do with the local state taxing authority. So they'd get the same correspondence the IRS is getting. That's about it. There's

there's an extensive list of every department that you could probably

want to put on notice on the nationalstatus.com

website.

Nationalstatus.com.

That takes you over to the nationalstatus.info

website. So either one will get you there.

And then in go across the top, and I believe it's under

oh gosh I forgot what the

it's been a while since I visited there but

underneath one of those is is the process

and in that when you go to

you know following putting in your affidavit it's just a step by step way

of who to notify, how to do your affidavit, so on and so forth. So it's really if you're looking for a written list, that's a great one to start with. Great. Thank you. Over You're welcome. There's over 300

federal agencies up there.

Maybe more than that.

K. Oh, yeah. You didn't know that, Mark? There's a bunch of them, man. They they sprout up like mushrooms in a cow pasture after good rain. Those agencies do.

So, Annie, if you're having, for example, maybe you got a house, you want to build a pond in the back and the EPA says you can't,

that's a federal agency you'd want to reach out and put on notice.

That kind of thing. So it really,

depends upon your situation, but the other ones are the rudimentary kind of protocol that we suggest.

And could I ask one more very specific question? You can ask anything you want, dear.

Hey, Roger. I gotta go.

Okay. Thanks,

Trevor. The question Alright. Might get it for Mark.

Oh, this is a question for me. Okay. Maybe. Yeah.

Do you do you know what a section 83

is, Mark?

Eighty three b election. I'd have to look it up. No. What is it? Okay. Well, I'm not really sure, but, but it's a,

it's,

it says the undersigned taxpayer hereby elect pursuant to

83 of the Internal Revenue Code

of 1986

as amended to include

in gross income as compensation for services

the excess, if any,

of the fair market value of the equity interest

described below

over the amount paid for those equity interests. So when Holy shit. It's like fair than a company that gets sold?

And then how to how to account for that with the IRS if there's if there's I don't It depends. Why is there there's a set up.

I mean, is it eight? Are those eight seventy one or eight seventy seven b, those are the only taxes y'all will owe, Anne?

Yeah. But but hold on, Roger. It depends how this is structured. Like, if it's a business entity

and that business is getting sold and has profit left over or something

Yes.

Then that business could potentially have to owe that tax

if the business keeps it.

Right? Now if it's if it goes to you, if all those profits

and this is the way most LLCs are structured

is the LLC

takes all the tax write offs for everything.

Right? And then whatever is left over, the net income that usually

flows to the individual

owner of that business.

Okay? Now if that's the situation,

then if you are the sole

sole owner, the sole recipient of that money, and you're a national,

you're not going to owe a tax on it. Now your LLC might still have to file a tax return

and report that they gave you the profits,

right, as a w-two

potentially.

That's questionable.

But then but then you as a national receiving those funds, unless it's directly

a payment from a government entity,

then you don't owe a tax on it.

Okay.

Is that something that you could look at personally for me? Say again? Could is that something that you could address personally

for me, that type of situation?

Well,

I'm good. I thought I just did.

Okay. Well I thought I just did.

Okay.

Now here's here's the other one too. If if is this a sole proprietorship

LLC?

No. It's a, it's a an employee that owns shares in a company that's being Okay. Okay.

Okay.

So are are when they sell the company is is

is whoever owns shares in that company, are they gonna receive some of the profits?

Yes.

Okay. Then then if they're a national, they don't have to pay a tax on it. Okay. Great. That's what I wanted to do. If they're a US citizen or a a,

oh, I lost my train of thought.

US citizen, US national, then, yes, they're gonna owe a tax on it. Or if they're a a legal resident, a green card holder,

they're gonna owe a tax on that. Okay. Now the other part the other partners who have shares in that LLC,

if they're a US citizen or whatever their legal status is, if they're not a national,

they're gonna have to fill out their own taxes and deal with it themselves.

Yep.

Okay.

Yep.

So it's a Hold on a second.

He signed this document, and it's on file

with the IRR. He signed this document. What document you talked about?

Well, it's a document that says,

joinder

and signature page to amend and restate operating agreement

of a particular company, LLC.

Okay.

Yeah. I don't understand. What does that have to do with anything?

I don't know. That's why I'm asking you. It's real simple. It's real simple, Annie.

If

you're if you own shares in that LLC

and you get any money

coming out of the LLC and into your pockets

as a national, you would not owe any taxes on it.

Okay.

I don't care what the other partners did, what they signed, it doesn't matter now.

That LLC, especially as a partnership,

it will always have to file an annual tax return and deal with its taxes.

But everybody else, employees,

partners,

whoever else is getting money from the LLC,

if they're a national,

they won't be filing tax or they won't owe a tax on that. You might have to file a tax return,

but you don't owe a tax on it. And I would say if you're a national,

try to avoid having any taxes withheld

so that you're not trying to get a refund from the IRS. And if it's a Yeah. You're losing. If it's a ten ninety nine,

then, you know,

request that you'll pay the taxes that are owed, and don't let them do it with any withholdings.

Annie, the only taxes you will owe in hubby as a national

are eight seventy one b and eight seventy seven b. That's expressly stated in their jurisdictional statement

over the code of federal regulations. I can quote off the thing for you. I won't.

But those two are both, interestingly enough, and the reason you would owe them is they're both constitutional

taxes.

You as a national would owe those taxes.

One of them is if you expatriate.

Now that means trading your slave passport here for another country's

slave passport.

And the state department has a very strict

and expensive process you have to go through. It takes months now. You just could do it in a day.

And that is not what we do.

We do not expatriate.

We repatriate

to the status that they're hiding from us. K?

The other one of those

has to deal with shares,

but it doesn't have to do with capital gains like we're talking about with yours.

It has to do well, I understand that Mark can correct me if I'm wrong, with dividends you may have been paid off of those stocks.

So if those stocks were paying a dividend, some stocks don't even pay a dividend,

but most do. Yeah. And if you got dividends from stock, preferred stock or whatever, and that won't be much, generally. We're not the Rockefellers

around here, but you would owe a tax on that dividend.

Those are the only two taxes you will ever owe.

Right. And don't confuse dividends with mutual funds.

If you get money from a mutual fund, then it is not a dividend. You're not the one who actually purchased the actual stock.

You're just kind of a shareholder in a in a group of investors,

and the mutual fund company is paying

from that. But the mutual fund company is the one that actually bought the stock that may or may not have paid a dividend.

But what we're talking about is where you as an individual

purchase stock

and then that stock pays you a dividend,

then,

you know, we we're under the belief that you might owe a tax on that. Now And that being said $5.

Yeah. It's it would be minimal. It's not like it creates a tax on all your income. It just be only on the dividend you that you would, receive.

Now that might even be questionable

because as I went back and looked,

I think they changed it, Roger, because when I go back and look, I can't see that specifically.

But what I do see

is under

eight seventy one b and eight seventy seven b.

What I do see

is within The United States. It talks about income

within The United States. So where's The United States?

Well, it's the District of Columbia unless you're a US citizen

living outside the District Of Columbia,

then that includes you too.

Right. That's why for all those years,

the only foreign tax that was ever applied was The US to US citizens.

That's shameful. There's a couple other countries doing it now, Uruguay being one of them. But, that's why that was that they you're like a cow. They're farming you out to some other country.

And if you're, if you get over certain limits, they're gonna require you to pay an income tax with you set foot in The US the entire year.

Yeah.

Okay. Right. Did that get you? Alright. Hold on. You got two Is that help? Trying to get on, Corey. Yes. Thank you very, very much. You're welcome. My pleasure. You're welcome.

Okay. There was a guy saying you need to get in. Who was it? Who?

That was me. That was Carl.

I still don't know who it is. I can't understand a word they're saying.

Carl in Utah.

Oh, there we go. Okay. Sorry about that. Carl, we And a very, very similar

very similar question.

If

I'm a national and my wife is not,

and we have an LLC,

does that LLC owe taxes?

Is it a sole proprietorship?

No. It's a it's a So both of you and your wife own the LLC?

Yes.

Okay. So, yes,

your your LLC would have to file taxes.

If your wife's not a national and she's a US citizen, she would file taxes on her income,

and you as a national would not have any tax liability.

But for the for the company itself, we would.

Yes. Because it is a partnership.

So the I'll I'll say it again.

If it's a partnership,

where you got partners in an LLC like you and your wife, okay,

then

the the LLC

will have to file a tax return every year,

and

then the money that your wife receives as,

as income from that LLC,

she will have to file her own personal tax return on. It'll be married filing separately.

And then

you, as the other spouse who is a national,

you don't have a tax requirement.

You don't even have to report it.

No. You don't even have a filing requirement, really. Does that make sense? Sure. Now if you're Yep. If you're the sole proprietor of an LLC,

it even gets better

because you can convert

your LLC

from a subchapter

s corporation,

which almost everybody does unknowingly.

And

because that's what their account tells them or that's what their tax preparer says. Oh, it's gotta be a subchapter s.

Well, yeah, normally, that helps you, but now you got two tax forms you gotta fill out. One for the LLC,

one for your son. There are no partners in an LLC. There can be no partners. They're all members. You have a major member.

Okay.

Everybody's a member. Nobody's a partner in LLC. I stand corrected.

I stand corrected. So Thank you very much.

So now in a a single

sole proprietorship

LLC,

you can convert it,

you know, if it's already existing,

you can convert it from a subchapter s to what's called a disregarded

entity.

And there's a process

for doing a ready for this? This is our favorite three words,

revocation of election.

You do a revocation of election on your LLC,

you remove it

back from being

a subchapter S corporation

and then you turn around and file a document to let the IRS know that it's going to be a

disregarded

entity

and it basically is saying that this LLC

is the same as me.

It still has its own tax number. It still operates under its own name. It still has an LLC on it, but all the money

that's being handled inside that LLC

I'm directly responsible for it. It comes directly to me. Now,

if I did that

and I was still a US citizen then all the money that came to me I'd have to fill a tax return out.

But if my LLC

is a disregarded entity it's not I'll say that again it's not a subchapter S corporation

and it's a disregarded entity and I'm a national

now my LLC doesn't have to file a tax return and I don't have to file a tax return

unless I receive

some kind of money directly from a government agency.

Isn't it that if you have a subchapter

s election that you cannot be an officer of that if you're a national?

No. I'm I don't think so. I I don't I don't no. No. You can still you can still be a,

a a non US citizen and be

an owner of an LLC or even a member of an LLC.

Or I I I have a question.

You said subchapter s?

Yes. No. You can still you can still you can still Okay.

Be a member of subchapter s.

Alright. Mark, I have one more question.

Okay. Go ahead, please. The Waheed's back there. Go ahead.

So when

if if I put the LLC

instead of having the having me and my wife as the

managers,

we put the private trust as the manager,

then what would happen?

Well, where's the money going? I mean, I don't understand why you need to put it in a private trust. What what are you saying?

What are you what are you trying to do? The the trust only holds property,

including a business.

So as long as that trust isn't making income,

no income is going to the trust,

and then it doesn't affect anything that I previously stated.

See, people are still trying to use trust to avoid taxes, and that's not how it works.

K. So if if I don't not If I'm writing my trust and I'm not putting me as beneficial

interest of the trust

Right.

I'm just the trustee.

Okay.

If the LLC

makes money, it's not me that has to file on it.

It doesn't not turn into a pass through?

No. The the trust has nothing to do with a pass through.

I'll I'll say this very slowly for everybody.

The typical

trust that we talk about

is only for holding

property

to be transferred to somebody at a later time. So if I was a business owner, maybe I had some kids

and I want to

put that business into a trust,

then

at my passing,

that business could be transferred to my kids as beneficiaries.

Has nothing to do with taxation.

Trusts are strictly, for most part, the average trust that you and I, most everybody's familiar with, is just for holding property,

not for any tax purposes.

Would you call that just a land trust?

I don't just a pure trust. It's just a trust.

K. That's all I have. Yeah. Now Alright. You're I don't know. That's not gonna help you. If you're trying to avoid a tax,

putting a business or an LLC into a trust doesn't help you one bit. Matter of fact, if you try if you have anybody tell you that you can save taxes by putting a business inside a trust,

grab your wallet and look for the nearest exit and run.

That is an abusive

trust.

If you're using a trust to try to avoid taxes,

you're gonna get big trouble. That's all I can say.

It's Well, you're a national.

What you're you're a national. What are you talking about avoiding taxes?

Structure yourself around that, and you won't owe anything.

Yeah. That's what I just described is is the simplest way. Roger, this is why,

man, when when a person fully wraps their head around your message

and they understand their status

properly,

it simplifies your life tremendously.

You don't need

a trust. You don't need all these fancy structuring of anything

to try to avoid paying a tax.

You're tax free when you used to notice the IRS.

Carl?

Now with with that being said,

you know, if you're in a position like Annie and there's there's more than one member of an LLC,

then there's not anything you can do about that unless,

well no, there's really nothing you can do about that. That LLC is going to have to be structured as a a subchapter S and it's going to have to fill out tax returns every year.

But

whoever it pays

coming out of that LLC,

if you're a member and you're receiving contributions

and you're a national

or even if you're receiving

like income,

a salary or whatever and you get contributions on top of it as a national

you don't have a tax. You don't owe a tax.

Now depending upon your situation you may or may not have to file a ten forty NR

return with the IRS, but that varies upon your particular situation.

So I yield. Yeah. Actually, you you've got what what could be considered the ideal situation

for a married couple because one of you is in the system and the other one's out of the system. And you can play what you're doing off each person and their status.

Yep. So you're really in the ideal situation, amigo.

K? Yeah. I would say so.

May I ask Can I ask a question? Alright. Now can I why he got hold on?

Wow. Hey. I'll go ahead and Let her go. Let her go. Let her go. Let I don't need let her go because I can wait. She's got something more important.

Lou's the female.

This is Muse. I do have a question for Mark.

In this

equation

Well, I can barely hear you. Come on. Talk talk right in the phone, Muse. Talk right in the phone, dear.

Is this better?

Yes, ma'am. No?

Oh, why? Like you're far away.

Okay. Talk talk right in the microphone, Muse.

Okay. Is this better?

Oh, you're kinda chopping out. Or you must be driving or something.

No. I'm I'm actually just sitting still. Oh, what? Oh, okay.

Even

in this situation,

nothing to do with taxes.

Simply for estate planning purposes.

Right.

We have an LLC

that if you don't have it set up to transfer to somebody upon your upon your path, it gets dissolved.

Right?

How would

you set that up

in in conjunction with your trust

so that on your passing

pass that along

to

Or well, I think somebody must have their microphone open or something. I'm just hearing a lot. I'm really

difficult

to I don't understand you totally muted. Sorry. I know you It it sounds like you're asking what's the best way to transfer an LLC.

Is that right?

For for, yeah, it's been estate planning purposes. Okay. For estate planning purposes

and for asset protection,

I would put the LLC in its own separate trust.

If your LLC gets sued,

then they can only go after what's being held in the LLC in that trust.

Okay? Now if you set the trust up properly

and you're not in direct control of the property of the LLC,

then it might be questionable whether they keep getting anything out of the LLC or not.

But for state planning purposes only

and for a business like an LLC,

I would put it into a trust by itself

and then name whoever beneficiaries

you wanna pass that on to.

Thank you.

So you're welcome. Same thing with the automobiles.

Yeah. You came through nice and clear then.

But but same thing with automobiles because automobiles are out here in the public and you're subject to you having an accident

causing somebody damage, I do not want that automobile in the same

trust with my house.

And for for those who haven't heard the story, when I worked in, a law firm in Las Vegas,

It was a personal somebody's got their microphone open

and cracked the cocaine? It sound like you snorted a big line.

Oh, come on. Please. If you're not talking, turn your mic off. Mute your phone.

They they're not doing it. I'm still here. You got your microphone. Let me blow your nose. Help admins. Help admins. I think we got it. Okay. I think we got it.

Okay. So I took away so I took away the straw.

Alright. So

I don't know what you mean, but it's funny, Roger.

It sounds like the voice of experience to me. But anyway,

when I worked in a law firm in Las Vegas, it was a personal injury law firm. And

when we had a case come in from Yellow Taxi Company

and the lawyer that it was assigned to was telling everybody,

remember, we can only there's only $300,000

in this.

Insurance will only pay 300,000.

And I was like, well, why is that? And they go, well, because each and every one

of the taxes,

taxis excuse me taxis

owned by this yellow taxi company

is in its own unique trust

and each one of those trusts

has an insurance

maximum

of 300,000.

So that was all that we could expect to get out of that case.

So

same thing here,

trust is super simple to put together once you have the form

and

I would suggest

that you never put your automobile

in with the rest of your trust.

If you have that automobile

in a trust with your house and your business and everything else, well guess what? They're all at risk

of getting attached if you lose a court case. You don't want to do that.

Put your automobile in its own separate trust. Put your business

in its own separate trust.

Put your personal property like your home,

appliances,

clothing, furniture, computers,

artwork,

guns,

you name it. Put that in its own trust.

Anything that could cause injury to other people,

any kind of automobile,

boat,

motorcycle,

four wheeler, whatever.

Put those in their own separate trust. It's not hard.

I yield.

Hope that helps. Thank you, Mark. Okay.

I wanted to ask I wanted

yes. Mark,

I know you guys have spoke because I heard you speak on an what a couple weeks back about how the difference between

how

expound on how I'm not earning income

as an employee.

The the difference is

between a company

on having to pay taxes, but a person like myself

is not it's very complicated to me, but I'm not really I can't be classified as

earning

income, but a company or a business can. Anybody understand my question?

You ever heard of Adam Smith while he

wrote the book The Wealth of Nations?

And he said Yeah. A man has to own his own property

because it's the only way a poor man

can reach into things that he can control

and to better his position.

They have got you Oh, I see what you're saying. Hanging or you've been hanging around here. How many years you've been hanging around while you

I know. I know. I know. I know you spoke on it once,

but I can't speak on it twice. Time. What do you think the system does? It makes you their property, and you agree with it.

So, well, he what was the question again? I don't think I understand the scenario.

Roger just answered it. Roger said, technically, I'm the they own me. So how can I be how can I

pay taxes when I'm owned by a company?

And and and you're saying that Adam Smith

Go ahead.

You're not owned by a company. You're owned by the federal government, Wahid,

on the income taxes owed by all individuals

who are citizens of The United States or residents.

When you're one of those two,

you're an object to their property rights from the standpoint you avoid,

adhering IRS stuff.

That means have to as a citizen.

Are you a national? Are you a for the I'm a national. I sent all the paperwork in, but I just haven't sent in the IRS stuff because three years ago, I was too nervous about it.

That's okay. So I didn't do the IRS thing.

I didn't put them on notice,

and now I have to go back through that. But first, I gotta do the passport thing, which I couldn't get a day off to do that.

You don't have to do the passport to deal with the you do not have to do a passport. First. Oh, I don't. I do not have to do the passport first. Have to do a passport first to deal with the IRS.

You don't have still have

but, Roger, you have to understand where I was three years ago.

I would I this two, three years ago, I was still really nervous

because I had already had a previous situation with the IRS where my two kids, which I don't have, and I got into some shit, excuse my language, with this girl who I used her as an in earned income credit because

and then they found out two, three months later, and I had to pay it back over a ten year period. Three. Yeah. I did a earned income credit.

So I was nervous

about

going ahead with your deal I got it. Because of the situation.

I I got it, Wahid.

Okay? We've now go back and judge jumping on you for that. I did send him a notice.

You're

Yes.

I agree.

There's nothing to it. You can do it in the evening. It's very simple.

Yeah. You fill out that affidavit. You mail it to the secretary of state, then you get your, notice to the IRS set up. And as soon as the Secretary of State receives that

and you got confirmation that they received your notice

with your citizenship,

your excuse me, affidavit of citizenship,

evidence,

then you can send that notice right on to the IRS with copies of everything.

So it's not that difficult. But I already did I I already sent the paperwork to the but

two two years ago, I did send the paperwork to the,

attorney general.

No. I I I think it's so damn difficult to have a conversation with. We're talking about IRS. Everything. I get

I understand. I did everybody. I put everybody on notice except them two years ago.

Except them who?

Ira. Who's that? Who's them? Okay.

Alright. So let me make this make sure I understand you correctly. Hold on, Wade.

So you mailed your affidavit of citizenship evidence

to the secretary of state's office in Washington, DC. Is that correct?

Yes. I did. That was Lincoln. What was his name? Link two years ago, it was, what's his name? Lincoln. Lincoln. Lincoln. What's that son of a gun's name? Oh, you said Lincoln. I said Lincoln.

Okay. So Lincoln. From that point on, you're now a national. From that point that you filled out your affidavit,

mailed that in,

you are officially an, a national.

So now it's just who did you send notices

to? And, you know, it's not too late. Everybody but the everybody

but the IRS. I didn't mean that. Okay. So if you wanna send a a notice to the IRS, send a notice to the IRS. You're all set up for it.

Oh oh, I don't have to go I don't have to send another bunch of, notices again to everybody else to get the IRS. No. No. But I would also

when you send that notice to them, I would CC

the California taxing authority

and send them a copy of what you send IRS.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

But it's a revocation. Off the phone. I have to get off the phone because my butt box just pulled in.

Alright. Alright. See you later. Good luck.

Alright.

Alright. I gotta go.

That one should be good. I need a couple of ask words after that.

I think tomorrow.

Yeah. I'm gonna get that straw.

I need I need a couple of ask words after that one.

Why? Yes, ma'am. I'm gonna tell you something either.

Female? Thank you, my

No. Oh, you're welcome.

My pleasure. Yes. Thank you very, very much. I'm I'm scared of that question. Everyone.

Uh-uh. So, anyway, I hope everybody I hope everybody enjoys the rest of their day. In some in some capacity.

Alright. I'll see y'all tomorrow. Brent's with us. Thanks, Mark, for dropping by today. You're welcome. My pleasure. Good to be here. Hesitate to ask, does anybody have anything else for me today?

I'm gone. Bye.

See you, Mark. Bye.

Meet you right behind you. Hope y'all got a good show.

Thank you. Love all of you.

Roger? Okay. If I yeah. Well, there's Julie. Yes, ma'am.

I don't have anything for you. You can go. But I was gonna ask Carl in Utah what kind of business that he has,

for his LLC.

He's still around. You,

baby. See you, sweet thing. Ciao. K. Bye. See you all. Love you. Bye. Bye.

Yes. Get you around for dinner, Bill.

Is Carl Carl still there?

I don't think he is. But, one thing I learned from Mark's trust class is that I'm here. Sorry. Hey, Carl. What kind of, business do you and your wife operate?

So we've got

three different well, we got

one LLC with two DBAs underneath it, but it's a

property management

business.

We're just managing our own properties, and then we also have

a dumpster rental business

and a weed and pest control business.

Okay. So are they all separate LLCs, or are they all under one LLC?

They're all under one LLC.

So

you actually

do you have your all your properties under one LLC?

No. The properties are in their own trust.

They're all they're all beaded into their own trust.

That, that was done through,

a lawyer attorney. Okay.

So all of your properties are in its own separate trust, and then

so those are separate from the LLC. Do I understand that correctly?

Yes.

Okay. And so and you and your wife are members of the

LLC. I mean, one thing you could do if you wanted to is you could

change the ownership interest of the LLC. I don't know if your wife would be amenable to that. If you're trying to,

minimize,

the taxes that you owe, you could be a

since you're the national and she is not, you could be the 95%

or the 99%,

and she could have a 1% interest in the LLC.

And that way

99%

of the income would flow to you and 1% would flow to her.

That's one option.

The other thing you can do,

that, Mark,

probably didn't probably forgot to mention is that

you can have an LLC

as a holding company. You can you could

look at it like, something over everything. You could have the LLC as a holding company over,

where you do business through your LLC. But if the LLC owns any any,

property, the LLC

puts the properties in a trust. Meaning, you don't,

but the

LLC puts the property in a trust. So that way, when somebody sues you, they can only sue the LLC, but the LLC doesn't own any trust.

That's how, these rich people like the Rockefellers

and the Kennedy's and stuff, when they when the Kennedy's got sued, they don't have anything because they set up holding companies.

And then those holding companies hold the assets, and that specific holding company

transfers all of the assets into a trust.

And you can have multiple LLCs as holding companies. You don't just have to have one.

Yeah. So that that is that is the structure we have

is

the it's you have two LLCs,

and the one LLC is a holding company, one is a working company,

and the holding company has the properties

in their own

trust.

Right. Right. And so that way I think I'm stating somebody if somebody goes to your business or somebody goes to your house and they fall on your property, Mark was stating that that's the only thing they can get ahold of are the assets in the trust. The way to make it so you cannot get ahold of any assets in the trust is to set up a holding company

and then have that holding company transfer the assets into a trust. Therefore, if somebody sues any business or house that you own,

they have to sue the holding company, which doesn't hold any assets anymore. I don't know if that makes sense to everybody, but it's kind of a two step process instead of a one step process.

And there are and there's and you can have a trust that earns income.

The trust will have to file a tax return, but if you distribute the income that that trust earns into your personal name since you are a national,

then the trust just has to report that it made distributions and it owes no taxes.

And then you will owe no taxes since you're a national.

Gotcha.

I don't know if that makes sense, but a trust can earn income because I do have a trust that has,

at at both

several brokerages

and it earns capital gains and

and dividends and stuff like that and interest income. But as long as you transfer it to a national, then the national,

has,

no,

tax liability. It's just a matter of having to pay an accountant to file the trust tax return, which,

you should be able to get for

relatively,

inexpensive.

So just out of curiosity, when you're looking at the structure of hierarchy,

is the LLC

above the trust?

Well, I believe that you can take the,

LLC,

as a holding company and whatever assets are in that LLC, the I the l the LLC can specifically transfer those into a trust. So the LLC holds the assets and the LLC transfers the assets to a trust.

So if the LLC generates income and somebody sues the LLC

and you have a bunch of cash sitting in the LLC,

well, yes, the LLC could potentially be liable for just the cash that they have.

But if you take the cash out of the LLC every year, then all you're gonna have are you, you know,

take it out or distribute it,

quarterly

to you as a national who doesn't have to pay, then really all you're gonna have is,

operating,

cash in there for from month to month or from quarter to quarter because as an owner, you can take that cash out yourself to your individual name anytime you want to. But just keep in mind that

that LLC, you don't wanna have somebody who can pierce the corporate veil. Meaning, if you don't have what the the required company

documents every year that you do,

for example,

you know, the bylaws and the meeting and the minutes and stuff like that, then somebody could pierce the corporate veil of that LLC and say that it was just set up to shield you and you never ran it properly.

Understood.

Like, literally, as an LLC running business, you and your wife should be able to go on vacations every year and write that off. They're working vacations.

So you should

be going and charging any vacation to the LLC and make it a working vacation to discuss your,

plans for,

next quarter

or or, you know, the next fifth next calendar year or fiscal year, however you have it set up. You can deduct the all the vacations and all of the meals from that.

Yeah. Yeah.

Understood.

Yeah.

Hey. Where do you

let's just finish.

Where did you go to, to take that trust class

From Mark? Well, Mark Mark held held it, but he's not holding any right now because of he's taking care of his,

of his parents full time. But Brent Winters also offers a trust class that you can take, online virtually. You have to get in a hold of Paul Beiner for that.

And how would I do that?

Email,

p g Beiner,

p for Paul, g for George, b as in boy, I e, n as in Nancy, e r at is it g mail dot com, you guys?

I think it's

p g beaner. I email him all the time. Let me just double check.

Thank you very much.

Yeah. I think it's [email protected],

but I'll let you know. Yeah, Julie.

Yeah. The Gmail.

Yeah. It's Gmail. Thank you, Bory. Thank you, Bory.

Good afternoon.

I think the cutoff for that You're welcome. Recent I think the cutoff for that reason class happened last night. I'm not sure. You'll have to get in touch with Paul today.

Yeah. You need to get ahold of Paul immediately and say, could you be added as, the last person,

to the trust class?

Okay. I'll do that. Thank you again. Thank you very much. This is Annie in Florida, by the way.

Oh, hi, Annie. I'm Julie in Swampland DC.

Hey.

Hi, Julie.

Nice to meet you.

Nice to meet you too.

Annie?

Yes?

In my job, I got some shares, and and when I went to get some money, they made me sign a WBN

to don't pay taxes out of it.

What is a WBN?

A WBN

is a form that,

we got in the in the website, and you could use it to be sent from taxes.

The W8

b e n.

What is that?

W8B

e n, and then there's a w eight sub

also. Because

if you guys actually look at the b e n and actually read it, there's a lot of legal loopholes in there. You want to avoid such legal loopholes, you do a sub.

Under the IRS code,

you're allowed to use a substitute

version if you do not like

what you see on their standard OMB form, and it's perfectly legit. And that's what I use,

so I don't get in trapped with legal this and legal that.

Yeah. It's that kind of thing I don't understand yet, and I don't know how to gain that knowledge.

So that's on the website,

that Mark gave me earlier or that,

that

Roger gave me earlier?

Yes. The website is,

the matrix.

Okay.

POS. I think that he gave it to you. Yeah? Yeah.

Thank you.

You're

welcome.

Honey, and I don't owe nothing. I just know people that own something.

Okay. Well,

sounds to me like everybody's pretty much done talking for today.

Oh, it's time to take the stream down.

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