In this episode of the Radio Ranch on the Global Voice Radio Network, host Roger Sayles dives into a deep discussion with Dr. Gene Schroeder about the War and Emergency Powers Act and its implications on modern governance. The conversation explores the historical context and the ongoing impact of emergency powers, highlighting how these powers have shaped the current political and economic landscape.
Dr. Schroeder shares insights from his extensive research, including the transfer of congressional powers to the executive branch and the role of the Agricultural Adjustment Act. The discussion also touches on the concept of Mortmain and its relevance to property ownership and corporate personhood.
The episode features a lively exchange on the nature of debt, the creation of money through promissory notes, and the implications of the current financial system. The conversation delves into the intricacies of mortgages, the role of the Federal Reserve, and the potential for systemic change.
Listeners are encouraged to explore further resources, including the work of Sheldon Emry and the historical speeches of Louis T. McFadden, to gain a deeper understanding of the financial and legal systems at play.
Throughout the episode, the hosts and guests emphasize the importance of understanding the legal and financial frameworks that govern our lives and the potential for individual action to effect change.
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Yep. What we're gonna do is play a, a conversation we had last night with doctor Gene Schroeder, him and a research team of 8 or 9 other people. Thirty years ago produced a, an opus called War and Emergency Powers Act. It got a lot of attention back in those days, of course. And we didn't know what we know back then, unfortunately, because our project here, builds on his, honestly. And, so we've been trying. Joe has a personal relationship with doctor Jean. And we tried about a year ago, and a big winter storm screwed us up. And then I kinda dropped the ball because I know he's busy. And, so Joe put together this last night as a, hopefully, a a multipart, conversation with Gene, but we started with 1. It was his, request that we keep the group small, and, maybe later we can enlarge that. We are, evidently going to have another 1, but it will be after the inauguration.
So this, what Paul is gonna play for us is last night's, conversation with the doctor Gene Schroeder of the front man, at least, and part of the research team of, War Emergency Powers, which is a fantastic, research project. If you've if you're new and you haven't watched that video, on our side, it's down in the new student section on the bottom right, and Paul has cleaned up the audio. And it ought to be, like, mandatory viewing for our students early on because it shows you the basis of what we, build upon. So, Paul, with that being said, without taking up too much time so we can get this in before Chicago leaves, so why don't you go ahead and, engage?
Alright. I know, Gene, that Joe said the topics that you particularly wanted to cover were Mortmain and the Warren Emergency Powers Act. So why don't we just plunge off on that?
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Okay. Why don't we, well, hell, I imagine everybody's fully aware of the of the, Warren Emergency Powers. I think you guys have been discussed that a lot, you in the past, and probably not too much more than I can add to that right now other than what we pretty well already know. But there'll be some things that that probably never did get discussed very much. So let's just do a quick review of those sworn emergency powers. And I think 1 of the best ways to describe it is was this senate report in the very beginning. It said under the powers, speaking of the emergency and the war powers, the president may seize property, seize and control the means of production, seize commodities, assign military forces abroad, institute martial law, control all transportation and communications, control the operation of private enterprise, restrict travel, and a in a plethora of particular ways, control the lives of all American citizens.
Now does that sound familiar? Yep. Got it. Is there anything left on there that that probably he couldn't do? Let me read a little bit more. I'm reading here from Constitution Fact or Fiction. It just happened to be 1 of them books that I've done. But Yeah. He's going ahead and says that Franklin Roosevelt responded to the economic depression in 1933 by using war and emergency powers intended only for dealing with rebellion and invasion. During his first one hundred days in office, and you all, hear all the time now about the first hundred days of these presidents. Well, this is what they're refer referring to, starting on March and running through June 0, and they called it the first hundred days.
And during the first hundred days in office, he seized all gold and silver, took the country off the gold standard. He established a banking system based on the debts of the American people. Expanded the trading with the enemy act to include enemies of The United States, to include the citizens of The United States, including all the American people, established government control over natural resources, the social agenda, welfare, utilities, private financing, industry, labor, and transportation, bailed out the banks. Roosevelt staff abrogated the gold clause in all public contracts.
Thus usurping the legality of private contracts. That's important. At the same time, he established control over finances for the prices of homes and inserted into the agriculture adjustment act of clause that shifted the power to coin the money and to regulate the value in a foreign coin, which we all know was in the constitution, but he conveyed or Congress conveyed that power from them to the president. In addition, the government, under their new banking act, declared that ownership of all property is in the state. Now that's important because Super important.
The federal government under this new banking act, which was going to issue new Federal Reserve bank notes instead of Federal Reserve notes. And these bank notes were to be just secured by all the people, old property, the homes, and everything of the American people, plus it gave the federal congress the authority and the and the government the authority to mortgage the people through this continuation of the national debt Correct. To secure the bank notes. Yep. And so here we sit today, and what's the limit on the amount of government, money that the government can create through creating more more more debt? We're we're talking about it tonight. They're up there debating about how much they're gonna increase the the debt limit so they can have all this money.
There there is no limit. There there's no limit. That's that's that's correct. That there is no limit to the amount of money that they can create. Now that begs the question, do they need to tax anybody?
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Oh, of course.
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No. They don't need to tax. They can make all the money they want. They don't need tax money. No. No. And The only reason they tax people is is, to some degree, redistribute
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the income to the ones that they want. Yeah. Jean, let me just show you a different perspective on that. Okay? What they're doing, what we found, is they've got this feudal system in place. They flipped everyone into that condition of a citizen federal citizen as a surety for the debt on that important March '33 debt. And what they're doing is they said they're mortgaging the people. What they're doing is the birth certificate is acting as a warehouse receipt because they are putting you you're being born into a condition of voluntary servitude. And so they use birth certificate, and they attach that to the bonds.
And the income tax goes to pay the bondholders. They're they're collateralized.
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I don't I don't disagree with that at all. That the birth certificate basically is almost like a title that they hold. Warehouse receipt. Yeah. Or or warehouse receipt. Same. Yeah. So So, you know, that's that's interesting. So here we sit today, and and we've got first off, on they came with that emergency Banking Relief Act, which seized all the gold, ultimately seized the silver, issued the new Federal Reserve banknotes. And, and from that point, we went from about a half a trillion dollars worth of debt to where we're at today. And how big is it today? They're talking on the television here a while ago, 37,000,000,000,000.
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Right. Right. But it's all fraud. And because you're being born in that condition because of this bankruptcy. And here's the catch. Have you found the slavery clauses in the constitution that aren't there? There's 2 slavery clauses there are 2 slavery clauses in the constitution that aren't written but implied. And the first one is in, it's article 4 or 5 where they say you can't impair the ability to contract. Well, a if you saw yourself in the bondservant, you are voluntarily giving that away in a contract. And the other is in the thirteenth amendment where it says neither slavery nor involuntary servitude shall, be in a state unless a person has been duly convicted of a crime, yada yada, but they leave out voluntary servitude.
Voluntary servitude is not filled by omission in the thirteenth amendment. And now here's the end. Here's the end game. Hey, doctor Gene. Are you a citizen of The United States and a resident?
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You know, that's what they claim. I've always said I was a citizen of the state of Colorado, but, you know, I guess that's neither here nor there. We can argue about it. Well, it no.
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Not if you say so. There is no argument. But the other thing that I don't understand is might win that argument.
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You'd win it every time. Okay?
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Because everything's got to be voluntary. There's 1 thing we've learned. Everything's got to be voluntary. If it's not voluntary, it's tyranny.
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So what they've got to do is they've got to do are we gonna do about it? Then that's the question is, well, what is the options? Now okay. Let's think about this a minute. If it's voluntary, then we can simply say, you know, this debt that you placed on us is not valid.
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Correct.
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Especially the grandkids because they didn't have a damn thing to say about it voluntary or otherwise. They were born into it. Okay? So let's just say it's not it's not valid. And here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna issue United States Treasury notes that are nonsecured just like what we've got today if that debt's not valid. They're nonsecured notes. Right. We issue enough nonsecured notes to pay off all of this fiat debt that we're supposed to have. Yep. And then we let the free market take over. Say now what those nonsecured notes work? I don't know. But I guess the free market will rule, and we'll find out.
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What the hell is wrong with that? We've eliminated the debt. It's nothing. You could use the same technique you're talking about here with Lincoln's greenbacks. Okay? And that system will work. Yeah. You you print the the notes, the currency. It's not money. It's currency. You print it, and That's not your theory. Right. You spend it into circulation. And the trick for the thing to work is you always tax out what you spend in, and there's no excess for speculation. And if that would've happened no interest on it. It would've worked. Right. So, anyway, here's what with this, this is a good news I've got for you tonight.
Now that you understand this voluntary thing, all you have to do is volunteer out. That's what we teach people. I've been doing it for fourteen and a half years. There's never been 1 blowback from the federal government reported to us. Never once. We get passports. We got we got the whole thing. We get okay. So, anyway, we got the that problem, it appears to be solved. Go ahead, Joe. I wish we could get back to our emergency powers. Okay. Sorry. I interrupted. Sorry.
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Oh, not not not a problem. I think we're having a good discussion here, and that's and that's important. That's because that is part of the emergency powers. Is that money? 1 of the things that go ahead. Go ahead. But
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I think it's important to, if you would, explain how they use the Agricultural Adjustment Act to implement all of this through staffing court.
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Yeah. It was a title 8 of the Agricultural Adjustment Act where it says that congress shall have the power to coin the money, regulate the value thereof in a foreign coin. Well, section 43 of that Agricultural Adjustment Act says that Congress is hereby going to transfer the congressional powers to coin the money, regulate the value thereof in a foreign coin to the president, and they did. Now that's important, as to how congress then begin to transfer their constitutional powers to the executive. Okay? And that was just the beginning because once the executive had the powers and the congress knew that they could do it, they then began to pass all these, all the acts that was transferring all these powers. And I got here and marked someplace in my book where it started to list. Here's just some of the things they done on the first hundred days. And on March 9, they done the Emergency Banking Act.
March, they done the Economy Act, which was to reduce, the government deficit, but they reduced it with new money. The Civil Conservation Act, control of the natural resources, that was on March. Was abandonment of the gold standard and the seizure of all the gold. On May was the Emergency Relief Act, which can gave control of the social agenda and the natural, national welfare programs. On May was the Agricultural Adjustment Act. May was the Tennessee Valley Authority Act, which basically nationalized all the utilities. May was the Securities Exchange Act, which controlled all of private finance.
June was a house joint resolution, for the abrogation of the gold gold clause and all the public and private contracts. That's what Joe was talking about. The homeowners loan act, which control the financing and the prices of the homes and the bailout of all the banks, the National Industrial Recovery Act, which required every industry to license itself, and, for labor then to form the the Labor Relations Act and to compete with the with some big corporations. The Glass Steagall Act, which divorced commercial and investment banking. The Railroad Coordination Act, which resulted in the naturalization and the transport evolved transportation in the end. And it goes on and on, as the, you know, the kinds of powers that we created and gave to the what what is now the bureaucracy.
It's always hundreds of agencies and commissions and bureaus, and we can go on and on, until we got this voted government that we have today.
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Yep. Jean, didn't they extend the mortgage, to thirty year mortgages in that period too? It seems like before it was the Jimmy Stewart, it's a wonderful life, banking world, and the banks held their own paper, and they never issued a mortgage more than ten years. I believe they extended it to thirty in that with this all this going on too.
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You know, and that could be the case. I'd have to go back and reread through all the max to see if it's in there. But I it wouldn't surprise me a bit because I know, with the Reconstruction Finance Corporation, I was trying to remember what what that was, but I think that was unlimited terms.
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Probably.
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And that came in, like, '38, I think.
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Mhmm.
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But the but the point being is what all this is boiled down to is we now have this gigantic, bloated bureaucracy. It's not a constitutional republic. It's not a democracy. It's a bureaucracy, and it's made up of the big corporations Yep. Being the government being 1 of the biggest of the corporations. Yep. It's the deep state. All these bureaucrats and and the and the bureaus and the commissions and the deep state. Yes. And that's what we're dealing with. Right.
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The bureaucrats, it came the first time. It came there was some of it in Rome, I believe. But the first time they really took this plan was in the French Revolution. And as they instituted the administrative state after the revolution, they would identify the bureaucrats because they would have burlap on their desk. And burlap is is bureau in French, and that's where it came from.
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Right. Right. So So that leaves us now down to where we're at. You know, I was just sitting here thinking, well, they they say, okay. We're gonna, create this efficiency in government. Well, number 1, you can't create a pure an efficient bureaucracy. They're, you know, they're they're diabetically opposed to each other. But, nonetheless, you know, what do you you here here, we're gonna have this, elimination of this bureaucracy. So I was just sitting here a while ago thinking, well, if we eliminated a thousand bureaucrats a day, that'd be 360 some thousand bureaucrats a year.
10 years from now, if we kept doing that, we wouldn't even make a dent in the number of bureaucrats we got. There's over 600 of those agencies. Yeah. So here's the the thing. If we're gonna fix this thing, the all all we can do is terminate the act of Terminate the emergency, and 99% of the bureaus and the bureaucrats will go away. They have no authority.
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Question. Jane, do you still contend that that emergency is in effect to this day?
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Look around, Joe. You don't have to ask me the question. Just look. Yes. Absolutely. It's in effect.
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Because that that was discussed earlier in the day about, which was the longest lasting emergency.
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Yes. Right. I don't know of 1 we have Federal Reserve notes or Federal Reserve bank notes. What do we got? Yeah. No. We got notes. You know, that's all you need to know. And you can read right in the act itself that this this will terminate when the president terminates it. Never happened.
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Now the 1 original 1 in 1917 was terminated when the war was stopped. Right? But this 1 in '33
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is the 1 But they never changed it. Whenever they terminated the World War two or yeah. The World War one one, they left that trading with the enemy air clause in there. And then that's the 1 they relied on for the for the March 9, '1. Right. That's where they except for section 5 b. Section 5 b. Right. Except for section that b. Well, you heard
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you heard Trump about a year ago when they were doing all these malicious prosecutions on him, And he made he said Sure. They're trying to charge me with some 1917 legislation.
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That's what it was. Right? What do you think? Does does these people that surround him and him and he himself, do they have a clue what we're dealing with here, you think?
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Joe, I mean, Jean, I wish I knew. We our stuff at least come we have a pilot student that flies big wigs around out of Georgia, and he, says that it is being discussed at Mar A Lago. He didn't tell me if it was the security guards, the groundskeepers, the chefs, who was discussing it, but the IR stuff is starting to percolate around a little bit. So I I don't know the extent. I try not to get my hopes up because they've been dashed so many times previously. And just take 1 step in front of the other and wait for the good lord to open the door where we can get a big platform to a large audience. If I I think we're, we got a very firm foundation.
I've been teaching this for fourteen and a half years. I don't charge anybody. I give it away and, have that radio show to help answer questions because I know how complex it is. And, and we're making progress, although it's excruciatingly slow and much slower than I would have thought or like. But I know that I'd rather be a a firm foundation organization than a flash in the pan. Our message is very powerful, and it makes what it does, Jean, instead of having to get rid of the bureaucrats with Trump, we do it ourselves. Once you do this Right. None of them have any authority or or jurisdiction over you except for 2 constitutional taxes in in the IRS code. And that's the only, authority from any agency that they have on you. And, we've had proof after proof of it with students and situations.
But, anyway, that's kind of a synopsis, and and I, because what we're doing is what you tried to do on a group effort, we're doing on an individual effort. It's kind of the dialectic of it in a in a sense. Right. But they recognize it, man. I'm telling you, they recognize it. Couple more here that I that I wanted to bring up specifically because Okay. Let's do that. They're really important.
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And 1 of them, here's this reciprocal trade agreement tax of, Okay. Constitution says Congress shall have the power to regulate commerce among several states and with the foreign nations. Here, Congress delegated their power, to form these trade, agreements. They transferred that over to the president in this in this reciprocal trade agreements act. And so no longer do we have, congressional treaties governing the commerce, but we have these executive trade agreements. We've had them for years now, ever since 1934. And so here we see today, we're sitting here talking about tariffs and, whether we're gonna put them on China or what we're gonna do. Well, we've been saying this for 50 all my life, and we just keep giving our money away, and we run these great deficits to the billions of dollars a month. Yep. And here's and here and here's the problem.
Another 1 of those damn emergency acts that transferred over congressional power over to the over to the bureaucracy and over to the big corporations, and they're not gonna sit there and do something to hurt their sales.
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No. No. And don't forget, these are the merchants of the earth. Okay? They're masters That's it. At this trade thing. And, basically, you're talking about how Hitler got around them was winning on an economic theory where they basically bartered, and that's when they fired the shot heard around the world when they declared that bankruptcy on Germany. It was really the first shot of World War two in my mind. So, yeah, this is a age old problem. It's they they get control of it, and they totally not only control it, but enrich themselves unbelievably in the process.
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That's right. And we deal and we're dealing with it, tonight, basically. Yep. Or, you know, every day. So it's Right. So it you say, well, does it still exist today? Well, does it or does it? Of course. Yeah. There's no there's no question. None whatsoever.
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And so see that? 1 I was gonna Yeah. No. Go ahead, please. No. No. No. Please. I'll call you back. I was just gonna say While we're talking about this, go ahead and say it. I was just gonna say that's what our deal does is is that here, when you file it's a very simple affidavit. Okay? It's just 1 paragraph was stating that you're national, and the second is you show them in affidavit how how you're getting out of their tax system. So it totally unobligates you to that $37,000,000,000,000 worth of debt, and they can't say a word about it. The whole thing's on fraud. And they this is so derogatory to them because 2 things happen the minute you put it in the mail.
You get your freedom, and they get totally exposed because they can't rebut it. They can't deny it. And that means the only thing they can do is stand mute, and that means they convict themselves. And as this been happening for fourteen and a half years. Okay? And they recognize it. Yep. And debt is debt is not income. No. No. No. No. It just They they struggle with that too. Oh, yeah. Well, we said you know, remember the show me the law IRS guys? Show me the law. They put that big ad in the New York Times $50,000 reward. I'll show I can show you the law and show you how it operates, and that's what's in that affidavit, in the second paragraph. It's, hidden behind the term right at the first of the book down there in the regulations called nonresident alien.
And they turned it right there, nonresident to the residency of the fourteenth amendment. And as a Colorado state citizen, you're alien from the federal government. That's what it is, and they recognize it. K? So, I I'm I'm I don't know if I sent you any of our stuff or not, but I would like to send you just 1 videotape that I think will do the job of explaining what we do, a,
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and how they've done this. Get it. What they've done this? My dad, Daryl Kroger. I don't know if you ever met my dad or not. I But My dad was the leader of of of this movement.
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Is that right?
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Oh, cool. Oh, yes. Cool. For years years.
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I will I'll through Joe or whatever, I don't think I've got your email address, but I get I'm sure I can get it. And I'll drop you that. And what it does at the first, it's so powerful, is it shows you how they've done it. And then I show you what they've done. Okay? And this is what they've done it. Alice in Wonderland. They go in Pavlovianly and take and, puts up opposite definitions of keywords, and they install them in your subconscious mind. Now your subconscious takes over for your conscious. The biblical part of this is James one eight where where it says a double minded man is uncertain in all of his ways. That's what they've done. They've made us double minded. So the remedy k. Is to simply identify those words and go in and change the definition to the real definition, then your subconscious and your conscious are working together. It's totally empowering like god meant you'd be, and it every time you do that with a word, you get a slice of reality back. And that's good.
Okay. So I'll make sure we get you that, that interview because it's 1 of the better ones I've done, I think, over all these years. And, I wanted to also with that mortgage question about, like, extending the thirty year mortgages, the other thing you wanted to get into was Mortmain. And, when we mentioned it today, Mark, Mark is with us tonight, and I said, I've never even heard that word before. Well, that's the root word mortgage. Haven't. You know? That's right. That's the root word of mortgage.
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Yeah. That's, you know, that's mortgage. That's the death pledge.
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Yes. It is. So,
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you know, well, there's no doubt. Well, anyway, I was just, that's 1 of the other things I was gonna bring up here was, executive order number 6814. No. That was not the right 1. Which 1 am I looking at here? I was gonna pull this other 1 up if I can find it. But, anyway, I can tell you what it says. It, it deals with the, all the national national resources. And, here it is. It's executive order number 7065, June the first of 19 30 5. Mhmm. And it created the National Resource Board, which took control of all the public lands that had not been disposed of. Remember in the constitution, it says that congress shall have the power to dispose of the public lands.
Mhmm. Mhmm. Nowhere did it give give them the authority to own public lands. They could have forged magazines, arsenals, and other needful buildings, but they could not go out and own property. Okay? Sure. That was in violation of the Mortmain. The Mortmain is the dead hand laws. And what it says is that corporations aren't creations of God. Corporations are the creations of man's and government. Therefore, because a corporation is not alive, it can't own property. Only the living can own property. So here we sit with this corporation now. And you say, well, does it own land? Only about 70% of the Western land is claims it owns now, doesn't it? Yes. That began in 1935 with the Natural Resources Act when they took control of all the natural resources Mhmm. And then went on and on and on, accumulating all all all the properties they've got.
Yes. And they're in direct violation of the Mortmain. The Mortmain, like I said, is the dead hand law, like the mortgage. That's the death pledge. The amortization, the amortization, to take it out of the mort. You got those words, and and back our ancestors understood that so well. That's the reason we had the laws because they dealt with it not only to the kings for, you know, for centuries, but also then the church. And so if you look it up in the dictionary, it'll say corporations, you know, ecclesiastical or temporal. It makes no difference.
Uh-huh. They're in violation of the fundamental laws of of forever.
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I I've never heard anybody bring this up before. It's really interesting. Are you familiar with an act that they passed about a month? It was in April 0, I think, and it was SR, senate resolution, 92 or one ninety two. I think it's just '92. Are you familiar with that where they stated that they unboxed your property? Think so. Well, if if I Yes. Say that. They stated what? SR SR. I believe it's 92. K? Okay. And and there's a statement there that says that they have taken over all the property in The US, yada yada yada, and that includes we, us, the people too. And they don't state that, but it does. And then at the end of that paragraph, there's this phrase that says, except by operation of law.
Now the reason that catches my eye is because when we instruct people to apply for passports, occasionally, not often, been doing it about ten years occasionally, someone will get a bluff letter is what I call them. Just there's like they're seeing what you know, and they've they're real slick about it. It has different bodies, but every one of them has the same first paragraph. And it says I'm paraphrasing here. It appears by what you've submitted that you are a citizen of The United States. And then it quotes the fourteenth amendment, all persons born, yada yada yada. And and then it goes, this cannot be waived unilaterally, yada yada yada, except by operation of law.
And so the first time I ever saw that years ago, I saw that, and it triggered because that other 1 that I'd seen years ago. And so all we do is contest them and go something to the effect of, is Vatel's law of nations lawful enough for you? Where it says every man has the right of personal political self determination. Or another approach, and this is good. It says the the fourteenth amendment you quote says and subject to the jurisdiction
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thereof. Yeah. Yeah. It does not say
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it does not say are subject to the jurisdiction thereof, and I'm not subject to it. And they always recognize it, and they always get their documents that they were trying to see how much they knew. So that little there's your difference right there is to get it on the lawful side.
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Right. And, you know, so, anyway, that's, you know, most people never even heard or thought about the laws of Mortmain. Our our forefather, Jefferson, wrote about it quite extensively and some of the others. But, but the point being is that, you know, a corporation, it's it's a combination. It's a combination of of money for people with money, pool their money together into a big gang. And Correct. By doing that, they gain advantage. And, then they get special regulations and and, you know, everything. It becomes like me, you know, going up against, an army, with a single shot and and thinking that I can compete with them. Well, you know, I can do that. Well, it's the same same way with the labor unions. They was given the right to unionize so that they could, in some degree, compete against the big combinations of capital.
Well, here we see it. They're all illegal. They're all unconstitutional, and they're unlawful. Well, they all infiltrate the derogation of individual rights. Yes. And they all infiltrate them and turn them against us or use them however they wanna use them against us. Well, they just turn into the bureaucracy. I mean, they're just they just become a part of it, the ruling elites. I mean, Sanders and, you know, you can listen to these politicians, and a lot of them talk about it, but I don't think they know what the hell they're talking about.
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Very few do, if any. That's for sure. Yeah. Very few. Yeah. But now I'm I'm really glad you wanted to talk about this Mortmain thing. I've never even thought into that that that deep, but, boy, it makes perfect sense.
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And Well, go to Blackhawk. Just look it up. Mortmain, m o r t m e I n.
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Oh, I'm just saying about the corporations not being not being but legal persons able to own land. And, man, that's a really valid point. I've never heard anybody bring it up. Absolutely.
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Yeah. I mean, yeah, and that's been a valid point for for centuries and centuries. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. I mean, we're we're talking almost from the from, you know, the very beginning.
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Right. I don't think that, if I remember John right, corporate personhood was granted in a case called Brown versus International Shoe, and it seems to me it was in the
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It's Santa Santa Clara cases, back in California, the ninth circuit, ruled that a corporation, is a person.
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Uh-huh. Well, that's a big part. You know what's coming up is all this discussion on the fourteenth amendment is is gonna get, pretty interesting here if Trump gets in and they start bringing that up, and it's already being brought up in certain circles. And that's where this is right in the wheelhouse. They cannot get rid of birthright citizenship or else they lose the basis of the monetary system. Because those people being born as babies and extended their collateral into attaching it to the bonds remember, bond is the root word of bondage. And so if those people aren't citizens of property, they can't do that with them. They'll never let them take that away.
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No. And they and they can't place them in the mort it's because they're born anyway. That I mean, the you know, once that noise would would would become, you know, widespread, that's a that's a loser.
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Well, let me show you how they're doing that. When they put everybody in initially in hidden under this through this birthright citizenship is the feudal system because that's the only system that you're gonna treat the planet that had that aspect of assigning a political status on where you're born. So whoever got stuck into that in '33, all their generations have been born into the condition. It's but it's a silent contract that runs generationally. But you because it's voluntary, even though it might have been 10 generations ago, you can still volunteer out at any time. That's what this what makes this affidavit so effective in the fact they can't do anything about it. And and those 2 questions, when you turn 18 and you start getting those questions in all your financial and and anything important you do. Are you a citizen of The United States? Are you a resident?
And I remember back when I was younger before I understood this, I was almost scared not to answer yes. And then so they get you to answer yes. You're conditioned to do it, and then you sign something, which means you're agreeing to the contract that you've been born into. So all we're doing is saying, no. We're out of that. We, we we're out of that. We're not what you we've told you we were. It's fraud, and you we're not giving you the consent to govern us. Yeah, Joe.
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Could we please get back to Oh. To my Well and Mortmain.
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Well, I don't I think okay. Jay, you got any more on that? On Mortmain or whatever you want.
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Right on the Morgue Main. Give me give me your thoughts on it, Joe.
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Yeah, buddy. Well,
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like I said you thought a lot about it. I have thought a lot about it, and you gave me a tape a cassette tape on it years and years ago. And we don't know if I can find it. And, I didn't make a good enough study of it when I had the opportunity with that tape. I wish I could find it. But,
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you know Let me do some hunting around. Maybe I can find 1 of the tape someplace or find somebody that's got 1.
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Well, if you could. And, the other thing too that I would might interject here, Jean, is, I never did had, Lisa's phone number or their home phone number. All I had was Ed's, cell number. And, anyway, I hated that I didn't wasn't aware that he passed, but I do know that he had a number of recordings. And, Paul Bener is very good about being able to copy that material and remaster it. And it would sure be nice if you could think of a way that we could get a hold of those for Paul to to remaster and make them available to more people.
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Sure.
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And, you know, it's just like he, he did this for an emergency power video that he did, and he did a really, really nice job on it. And, there that's you've been exposed to a lot of people more than you know, through that being remastered and put on this website. Right. So if we could get some of those tapes and stuff that Eddie had, maybe we could,
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teach them. Lisa's got them, and I'm sure she'll she'll pass them on to us. I'll have to get ahold of her. I'll get your phone number too, and we'll make arrangements to get all that done. That that would be nice, Jean. That because, you know, the work the work that you folks did, move Ed was a tremendous part of that too. He forward.
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Moved it forward a whole bunch, and it's much appreciated. But, you know, I'm not schooled enough in Mark Maine to be able to talk about it, but I've know I've heard you speak on it before, and that's the reason that I brought it up that, I know enough to be dangerous. We talked about I'd love to. Yeah. And and
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and And and more more background. Go ahead, g. But I'm saying that, you know, and it's basically, I mean, you can just just stop and think about it a minute. It it's just common sense. I mean, there is no way that a government created culmination of power, can, cannot be, in violation of the individual rights. I mean, the individual can't compete against that and,
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it never could. But you're talking about, corporations, owning property and being persons. And wasn't there a, Supreme Court ruling that kind of flew in everybody's face here within the last few years?
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Mark, you may remember it. Yeah. It had to do with, funding elections. And so these corporations were wanting to donate big money to various, campaigns, political campaigns. And people were fighting that, and it went up to the Supreme Court. I don't recall the the actual case name, but that's where the the Supreme Court ruled that a corporation is a person.
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Correct. Can give money to political campaign just like they were a person. Right. And and we know that can't you know, obviously, that that can't be right. Well, it can't be because
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a personhood, a corporation lives lives and dies at the behest of person The state. The state. Thank you. The an individual lives or dies by his creator. That's it. And this
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and the the corporation is a I mean, it's a it's a privilege, created by the state. They it doesn't talk. It doesn't walk. It, can't procreate. The the only it's it's a dead entity. And, once he takes a land and put it into that dead entity, well, hell, I mean, that's when the kings and the church and all, you know, at different times in history controlled everything.
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Yep. Back to the feudal system.
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Yep. Yep. Back to the feudal state. Absolutely right.
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Yeah. Well, we're born into it, and it's just disguise. I mean, you can go back to, oh, what was the guy's name that wrote Tragedy and Hope? Bill Clinton's favorite professor at Georgetown. Quigley. Thank you. Quigley. And he you read his book, there's a paragraph or a little bit in there. It says, the world's financial leaders met on a regular basis in secret so that and they formed the financial system of the globe in a feudalist fashion. We can't have a feudal financial system without service.
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That's it. Yep. Especially when it's best on And property. Yep. And property. Well, they are property. Well, they are property. They are. You know? They are part of the property. You're right.
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Yep. And that, you know, it's, it's, Jean, it's so good to talk to you and hear you. I I was, of course, in the early in the movement a couple years when your original thing came out, and it was a smash hit around our circles. But, you know, there just weren't enough people awake back then. I mean, even now, we might not have enough,
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but we got more. Well, that's true. You know? But, you know, you never know. Things change. And, sometimes they change pretty fast, so you never know what the future is gonna bring. You we just don't know yet.
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I I saw Eustace Mullins interview when he was still alive. God bless him. And he said, well, god was merciful on us, and he gave us the Internet. Boy, there'd never been a true a truer statement than that right there.
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That that's it. That's it. Now they they really do have a hard time controlling our communications. Yeah. They can. They do a lot. No. But but it's but it's a tough 1 now. No. It's very difficult.
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Could I ask Joe if anybody's got any questions for doctor Jean here, or if he wants to expand on the main topics anymore? But at least open it up if anybody's got a question for him while we got him.
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I do have a question that I'd like for him to address, and that is how Roosevelt went about stacking the court, which, you know, we've had runs on that here the last couple of years trying to make that happen. Yeah. They're trying to do it again. And that could even happen before the 20th of January, for all of you.
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Roosevelt tried to step to court, but he never could get it done. That he, for two years, they worked, but they never could get enough support to do it. But it didn't matter because, at the end of that two years, a couple of those, Supreme Court justices changed their position, and they turned around and ruled all those things they'd ruled unconstitutional, like the, seizure of the gold, the, American agriculture, you know, the AAA Act, the, National Industrial Recovery Act. They turned around and overturned all of that and and verified it. I think that was in 1930 when they done those.
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Mhmm. Yeah. In other words, the bankers got to them. But they certainly
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absolutely got to him with some money. I mean, it's obvious. So they've tried it 1 other time, and it wasn't successful.
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Are you Hugo Black came up on the show the other day recently. Are are you familiar with his background? He was 1 of those 3 that they stuck on there. I think he was from Tennessee, and he was a a grand dragon of the Ku Klux Klan. And and he was 1 of those 3, and he want his decision that is, I guess, probably the most memorable is lifting Jefferson's statement about the separation of church and state and inserting it into 1 of his opinions. And so now it's gospel when it was totally it came from a different source. You know? All this malarkey that's gone on. Well, you know, it's,
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the way they can turn meetings and words and and, you know, yeah, I mean, it's it's just phenomenal what's happened in the last fifty, seventy years in this country.
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You said about your father. I'd like to ask you, if I could. You said he started the, the the ag movement that y'all are talking about, or did just got what year did he was he involved in this? It must have been the
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Well, he he he's starting in the Yeah. And, so he was, you know, certainly a part of the citizenship deal and, you know, federal citizenship versus state citizenship and the Oh, great. And all of that. And, so but he was also part of the American Ag Movement, you know, which was, you know, just he was just 1 of us. But, he sure did fight this IRS, and they never collected a penny from him either.
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Fantastic. Well, God rest his soul, and I hope he's, smiling down on you, Jean, for all of your contributions, following up on what you started. And, you know, the key to this whole thing that I've been able to find, and I had a pretty sharp other teacher too. It wasn't just John Benson. It's this guy that coached Roger Staubach through Annapolis, years ago, and and he stumbled onto this information with John. And he was the 1 that did all this, that made it happen, really. And, this is what Glenn says. He said, if you don't know that you're dealing with the feudal system, you'll never do anything but shadow box with it. And I've totally found that to be true.
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I I agree.
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And when you do know what it is, this is well, I've I've I've been tricked into volunteering in. I'll just volunteer out. It's my it's my choice. Otherwise, they're open tyrants, and we'll just go on about our lives. And and what it turns out to appear to be is that they're scared to death of this because it totally strips them of their powers and exposes them simultaneously. And so they wouldn't come after anybody even if they could, I don't believe, because they don't want the this whole information in the spotlight anywhere. So we've really kinda got super kryptonite for super parasites, what we call them, because they're really the old Pharisees that Jesus fought. They do the same crap, the same exact way, just with a lot of modern technology and much more sophistication.
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Question. Please. Doctor Jean? Doctor Jean? Yes. Is is there a what what would you think would be the fastest political solution with doing away with the trading of the, enemy act?
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I think it would be a total worldwide collapse. Personally, I think I think that's what we'd have. Oh. I mean, you just eliminate, you know, hell, you just eliminate everything that people, you you know, anymore in the modern day lives off of. Right. How about Babylon, oh Babylon?
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Babylon, oh Babylon, the great has fallen in an hour like that, Mark? I think Yeah. So this I think so. Magnitude.
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And So doctor Judy, you're saying there's not a there's not a a solution for all this licensing? I mean, when I first started with farmers
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I I think that is the solution. You know? Because when I first learned
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I blew my mind when I learned that farmers had to have a permit or a license to raise cotton and to raise peanuts. And I was like, are you kidding me? You're telling me if I had a hundred acres out here, I couldn't go plant some some cotton on it and then go sell it without a permit?
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That's insanity to me. Yeah. It I I know. But, you know, but, I I mean, that was it wasn't just agriculture. I mean, it was, just like any in industries. They had to go get a license to to be able to produce anything.
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Yeah. It's insane. Do.
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So, guys, I don't know. But I think the the only way to cure it is just cure it. Eliminate the system we got, and and we'll start over, good or bad. And, and somehow we'll survive it. Well, with 36,000,000,000,000 with 36,000,000,000,000
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and growing, I I don't know how, you know, far off we're gonna be from that.
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They can sustain the debt. Even if you did pay it, all the money goes away because that is the money. So, if you paid all of the debt off, there'd be absolutely no money, and so we're gonna collapse anyway. So I think, you know, I don't know when or I don't know how, but, at some point, I think this thing will have to go through a major collapse.
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Well, you know, there's there's a real interesting idea being floated. I can't remember the guy's name. I'm not into cryptos anymore of any in at any level. I used to be a couple of years ago. But what he's saying is trumps Trump's favorable favorable to Bitcoin now. You go out, and they get they're the largest holders in the world of Bitcoin's United States government, all the ones they've seized and everything. They go by 25% of the blockchain, and with the Bitcoins that are produced, they start paying off the national debt through the bonds to start paying the bonds off. And, and they liquidate it that way. That's
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looks like that might work. Don't know. Replace the bonds with the Bitcoins. Right? Yeah. Right. Well, that'd be another I mean, that'd be another way of doing it whether we do it through Bitcoins or or whatever, just to pay the damn debt off. You know? Yep. Yep.
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Economist Martin Armstrong said that, if they would you could pay it off in eight years if they would just start issuing US notes. And every time money was owed, then we just send US notes and and then start and start canceling or destroying the federal
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notes. Right. That's right. Federal Reserve notes. You pay it off and then do away with them. And Yeah. In eight years. Well, I I agree. That's that's the only option I can see that we might get out of this thing with some similar to the soft landing. You know, that's all I can think of.
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Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Well, we're gonna see some real interesting immediate future for all of us. If we can get Trump inaugurated on the this whole, drone thing may be a continuity of government's, buildup to where they're gonna try and declare the aliens the enemy and because that shifts automatically to 1 of the army commands, and they take over the whole country out of the out of the NORAD out there where you are, doctor Gene. Yep. That's what they're talking about. So I don't know. Maybe. So just hang on the edge of your seat every day and, be very nimble. Be be very flexible and agile.
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That's all we and, have a few essentials put away if you can. Yes, sir. So Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Alright, guys. Well, anyway, I won't keep any longer. Yeah. So, what we do everybody think about this thing, and then we'll schedule another 1 here in June 0, and just be so. And That'd be fantastic. We'll talk about it again. Kinda see how this thing's progressing after he gets inaugurated.
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Doctor Jean, this is this is Mark in Oklahoma City, and I, got exposed to Dan Medder in in, Ponca City and worked for him for a little bit, back in 1999, and then I went to work for him in 02/1. I watched your, 1994 presentation on the, Emergency Powers Act, and I really wanna thank you for doing that. You did it in such a great fashion. It's easy to understand, and it's mind blowing.
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When you start laying out the law in front of people, it's just really a shock. Yep. So thank you for doing that. Yeah. And it was a shock to me too as we begin to study through it. And once we Oh, yeah. Did hell, we knew what we were we knew what we'd find before we ever went and looked at these laws. Right. And we knew what we were gonna say. And so that pretty well indicated we was on the right track.
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Right. Yeah. That was really good to hear. You. I really appreciated it. I commend you and the whole research team. Joe says a number of them aren't with us anymore, and that's too bad because they may see all of their work product stuff, go through a resurrection of sorts. We I almost insist on all of our new students. Go watch that as part of their early learning experience because you're the bedrock of what we do. What you came out with and show and prove is the bedrock of what I take them to the next step with. And I sure do appreciate everything and and everything you've done for the country, man. And it's a pleasure that you're still with us and that we can have this conversation.
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I'll have to do it again, after the inauguration, and, we'll show we're progressing along and see what new thoughts we have. Okay. Fantastic, Jean. Well, just a pleasure. I can't express it enough. And,
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thank you so much, and it was a pleasure to talk to you again. Hear it right from the the old mouth of the guy that was involved in it. So thank you so much. Guys, and, and let's, go from there. We'll we'll meet it in here in a few days, and we'll see see what's changing if anything. So okay. That'd be alright, buddy. Have a good evening. Okay. You take care of yourself, doctor Gene. Okay?
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K. You got you got too. See you. Okay. Thank you. Take care, doctor Gene. It's been a pleasure.
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Alright, boy. That was a really nice conversation, Joe. Thank you so much for setting that up. You're most welcome.
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0690. Thank you for joining us for the first hour in radiosoapbox.com. Thank you as well. Please go to the matrixdocs.com to join us for the exciting discussion that is sure to follow that important recording. Thank you so much. Back to you, Raj.
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Yeah, man. I'll tell you that listen to it a second time after, being involved in it last night. Got a lot more out of it rather than at the time because you're paying attention to the conversation. But, what a delight and a privilege to have that with a man of such significance in our movement. And that work, if you haven't watched it, it's down in the new student section, the bottom right of the matrixstocks.com. And as we talked about during that, Paul remastered the audio. It was a little rocky over there on, Rumble.
You got it you got it spruced up, wandered over it, and, the it's just such important. It's about two hours, and it literally shows you all the legislation and what they did. And and the importance of it is as most of you realize that have been around here is that's what we build on from that March '33, and all we do is teach you how to go back to get this, Paul. We show them how to get back to March 1933. Okay? Because that's exactly what we do. We just run a little and run around that date right there when everything switched, and we're back where it used to be. And it's just with one one if you wanna do it simple, 1 sentence, 1 piece of paper to 1 guy, and 1 what is it? 70¢ postage stamp and maybe a little extra.
That's all it takes. It's nonconfrontational. They can't say no, and, it's nonthreatening. And you can do it from the, the comfort of your own home and lot line and, be totally free of this. Folks Yep. It's what we have is amazing. Okay? As you look at the big bad thing and all this history and what all they've done and how they've done it and how sinister they've been and what schmucks they are and liars, thieves, murderers, and slavers, and that's all exposed right here.
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Yeah. Actually, Raj
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One sentence, 1 piece of paper to 1 guy. Yeah, Paul.
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Yeah. I think we actually go back to 1861 because 1862
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was when they buried the titles of nobility amendment and when they actually set the stage for doing all of the crap that they did. Well, you know, you just answered a question, and I've never, I've thought about it a few times is when they swept away the old thirteenth, original thirteenth. And that you say was in 1862?
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Yep. Was when they dropped that. They rewrote or they ratified the new thirteenth amendment, 1864 or 05/00, I believe. And the fourteenth amendment was by 1868, and then our fate was, as it were, sealed.
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They've they've done this real slick, and the deeper you get into it, if you're new or how no matter how long you've been around, because as I've said, and I speak from personal experience, this is a process. Your your the minute you think you got it all understood, something will pop up that you didn't even consider from some other direction. And, that's my experience over all these years. And so it's an adventure, in that respect too. So you you got your freedom. You've exposed the bad guys. With the exception of these traffic things, they're not gonna mess with you. And even then, they might not mess with you. Okay? So it's very powerful, and I wish we could share it with everybody. And maybe 1 day, the good Lord will give us that opportunity.
So, Paul, what are your feelings on and and doctor Jean obviously liked it. And, I sent him through Joe, who I'm sure is listening. I sent you Joe this morning that link to, God's trump card. Feel forward it to him because I did not have his email address, and maybe he'll have an opportunity over the holidays to look at that, and he'll have that under his belt. I wasn't trying to take over the show there, but you know how enthusiastic I am about this. And and and I want I just you know, what we've got can enlarge his understanding so much, and I want him to know. You know? And I want him to understand. And, so, hopefully, we'll get to that point. But it was a joy and a privilege, and, I really enjoyed it. Thanks for putting it together, Joe.
So, discussion from the audience? Or, Paul, what what are your thoughts on all that?
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I I think it was amazing. My, my head was swimming, like, basically halfway through. But he was he was laying out all the dates and and all the stepping stones that they had put in place, and it was wow. It's just They were
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you know what? The question I wanted to ask him, and I I thought about it, and I forgot it, was I wanted to ask him if he had you ever read the '31 collective speeches of Louis d McFadden. Because, boy, you wanna talk about that perspective on that time. And that was from '31 to '33 right up to when they killed him. And he was the, chairman of the house bank. The house used to have banking committee, and he was a former banker. He knew exactly what they were doing. It's rife in all those speeches. That is, for people that really wanna do extracurricular activity in your learning approach here, That book, the 30, is is titled the 31 collective speeches of William t McFadden.
I believe we have that on the website digitally, Paul, don't we? Somewhere? Yes, ma'am. Like we have. Uh-huh. Where is it? Do you know that offhand?
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I think that's in the docs folder. Okay. And,
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but I can,
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I stumbled on him real early? I mean, after I'd only been in this a month or or so, and I I acquired that book. And so when I read it, I was real green. And when I have a tendency when I get into things that are over my head like that, instead of stopping every time and trying to research what they're saying because it kinda screws up your continuity, I just read through it, you know, and try and get the overall, concepts and stuff. So there's a lot that went over my head because a lot of it's very technical. But, man, there's some real gems in there that are already you know, the this 1, I didn't find till after the book was published.
Paul, I was going through there, and here's McFadden says, they're erecting a a Machiavellian feudal system. That's right. Out of the mouth of William t McFadden in 1 of those speeches on the house.
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I believe that was Lloyd t McFadden.
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Okay. Isn't that what I said?
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I said Yeah. And you said William. I think it's Lewis.
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Lewis. I think you're right. Okay. Mister Congressman McFadden. And, what a great American that is. As I said, if you wanna do heavy extracurricular stuff and resurrecting and seeing the the modation of these guys and how they do things, boy, that's that's the resource right there.
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When he also says they're floating the idea
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He said they are they're floating the idea that Americans can contract away their constitutional rights. That's the way he phrased it. That's not totally correct. God given is correct. But, anyway, what was your comment, Paul?
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That's quite a collection. It's 541 pages. Ah, hey. And I am dropping the link to that PDF
[01:09:14] Unknown:
right in the chat right now. I can't I I I can't impress the importance of that book if you're really wanting to dig into this and understand. Just right out of the mouth of a guy that knew exactly what they were doing. And it took him 4 times to kill him, and they finally poisoned him, which I'm sure mister Trump is highly conscious of, at a dinner at the Waldorf Astoria in New York City. So, audience, y'all got anything to say about that, interview and what the contents or questions or comments? I'd love to hear your, what what you got on your mind about it.
Is there anybody still listening? Can we drive them all the way? Paul, you got a button undone or something? Something? I would think there'd be some conversation from the audience on that.
[01:10:08] Unknown:
Well, Sketch has his hand up, I believe. Sketch, come on in here. Come on, Sketch.
[01:10:14] Unknown:
Yes. 1 of the cures I was hoping to him to mention that. He did mention it that, you know, that the executive powers need to be, taken away or not taken away, but, the emergency that they declared needs to be abolished, and that would be a a step in Yeah. In curing.
[01:10:40] Unknown:
No. That would be a stomp. That wouldn't be a step. That would be a stomp.
[01:10:45] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, I did go back yes yesterday and watched, the the, two hour Gene Schroeder video. And it's amazing. Piece of work. Yes. And and when you go back I mean, I could listen to it 40 times and still learn learn, more and more and more. It and it clicks with you. The more you listen to it, the more it clicks with you. And, I wish you would have delved into Mortmain a little bit more, but I think you covered it pretty well. But,
[01:11:30] Unknown:
I still have I really I still I don't know much about Mortmain, and I I wish, somebody would do a little research on it and bring some of that forward. I was aware of the word. I know it's the basis of mortgage, and I understand how amortization and all that, but I didn't realize its ancient origin. And the fact of the the concept behind it is, basically against corporate ownership or state ownership of of of land. So it's very interesting. I'd like to learn more. I know Joe said there were some tapes or something, and they might be trying to acquire them and hear what they had to say about it back then. But it's certainly a topic that we can delve into here. It's got a lot of significance. I mean, you know
[01:12:19] Unknown:
the the Mortmain. So like you said, Mort? Yes. Mort is part of your mortgage, but the Mort is dead. And main is hand, so it's dead hand.
[01:12:31] Unknown:
Yes. And that's tied. That's what a mortgage does to you. Do you understand why? And that was a a real significant question I asked him about. I I'm pretty sure that right in this time and the change is that they extended mortgages to thirty years. Where before, it was like ten years maximum like it is down here, actually in Ecuador. And the payer's the difference. The terms were shorter and the bank held the paper. And so when you're paying your mortgage, you're paying the bank, and it's the savings of the local and that money coming in and all that. And then after the change, what they did evidently is stuck in, discounting.
So now instead of them holding the paper, they sell it to an investor in the secondary market and get cash back and make that exchange. And the investor community gets to reap those incredible benefits from mortgage. I mean, it's just like pure profit, whatever that payment is, at least for the first number of years when you understand how they're structured. And, man, it's it's an amazing little thing. It's kind of 1 of the bedrocks of their control of the of the credit system is the mortgage thing. And I remember we had a, over at Truth Frequency, we had a black guy that called in. I got a bunch of black folks in out of a bunch of blacks who were getting together against taxes in Winston Salem. And we our information got plopped down right into the middle of them, and then it spread throughout their circles. Sorry for the helicopter flying over here.
That's boy, that's unusual. And, anyway, 1 of the guys that it touched was a fellow in Maryland that was a a mortgage broker. And so he he called into the air. Eric Cade was his name. And he called in, and, he I told him what to do. And, anyway, he was saying, well, this is the way I got turned on to this is I'm a mortgage broker. I had a radio program about it there locally, back when the, more, housing industry was much more robust. And, he said I was in a closing attorney's office 1 day talking to a friend of mine who worked there in processing, and what she did was process all the day's mortgages and all of the, promissory notes. And he said, I'm the lady in her office right there, talking with her, and all she's doing is taking the top mortgage, turning it over, and stamping it and and taking putting it in a pile. And she was doing that, and he goes, what are you doing? What's that stamp for deposit only in the Federal Reserve Bank?
So they've got the ultimate deal because they're the ones that are sucking all those payments off of mortgages. You don't even touch the principal till the fifteenth year of the thirty year mortgage. We were talking about it the other day, you know, that wonderful bit of information that, you guys oh, I can't remember our friend's name that brought it to us. But Urbie. Yes. Urbie. Thank you, Joan. That, it it what matters is in the mortgage, who gets to assign excess principal payments? So the rule of thumb and this is where they make their money on the front end of these things, just pure profit for fifteen years. And so but if you can pay let's say you got a thirty year mortgage.
You pay 1 extra payment a year, now you got a fifteen year mortgage. So just 1 extra payment a year drops it in half. So what these guys were doing, and evidently, there were companies that were, helping people do this back or even work for 1 of them. So I knew about it. So in the contracts, it's determined on who gets to select the placement of excess premium payments like that 1 payment a year. That's an excess payment. And so if you get it where you can assign it, then you can say, I'll pay this first month's mortgage, and I'm gonna go in here and I'm gonna do pay this the, the second and third payment off.
And and but all you have to do is pay the interest. You don't have to pay the principal because you haven't gone through it yet. Interest isn't applicable until you've gone through it, the time. So that's brilliant. And, anyway, all that change, they're the big backers. They're taking advantage of all this and this discounting. And, remember, Thomas Jefferson said, no discounting of notes. So he understood this little banking wrinkle all the way back in his time. So that's why that mortgage thing's important, and I guarantee you that's when they changed it.
[01:17:51] Unknown:
So Roger. I Yes, sir. I have a couple more things that I'm, I'm hoping you and Jean can discuss, and that is which was brought up in, the video, not that you did today, but his long two hour one. Yes, ma'am. Yeah. The the the term prize courts. Okay? Because I I here's 1 from article 24. This is a little statement. The word enemy is a technical phrase peculiar to prize courts and depends upon principle of public policy as distinguished from the common law. So Okay.
[01:18:33] Unknown:
And Well, you know what you know? We know what a prize court has to be. A prize court has to be admiralty. What I would guess.
[01:18:42] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. And I also put in the chat, exhibit 65. It says goods taken on land from the public enemy are called booty.
[01:18:52] Unknown:
Yes. That's Marshall. Uh-huh.
[01:18:55] Unknown:
Yeah. And and the distinction between a prize and booty consists of this, that the former has taken on sea and the later on land.
[01:19:07] Unknown:
Yep. That's it. I just hope you Martial laws, well, we've discussed that on here before. Martial law, what they grab is booty. And if they take over when when, when Tecumseh Sherman, went down, marched and burned his way to Savannah, they just took prize. You know? They Right. They'd send a they'd send a forward, advancement of soldiers ahead of the main body, and they'd steal all of the, farmers and plantation owners, goods and go back to feed his army, which is mark you know, the the old thing from Napoleon. Right? An army moves on its stomach. And, that's how he advanced so rapidly. Pries, we're here. I'm kicking your ass. I'm taking your stuff.
Now there's called booty on on the, you know, the Black Beard, when he'd do it over there around The Caribbean, it was called Ryze. I kick your ass. I take whatever I want of your stuff. Oh, okay. So, yeah, I guess there's quartz on it. I don't know too much about it, but I know damn well that we ain't in that because what we experience when they come grab your stuff are self help remedies. And those are directly with process from the Uniform Commercial Code or the law merchants and other label or the Babylonian Merchant Code if you really wanna nail it.
[01:20:34] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you.
[01:20:36] Unknown:
And I well, I just thought I thought that IRS and, when they win, they get the prize. That's that's that's Well well, yeah. But they did not they didn't just approach you and come grab it. They had to go through a whole bunch of process that makes it extra constitutional for them to do that. And you've got plenty of opportunity along the way to cure the deficiency if it's legitimate and you're able. To stop them. Let's do this. To stop them from grabbing your car, emptying out your bank account, going to your employer and garnishing your wages and levy. All all those things are possible to them, but they had to lead up to that with the process.
[01:21:21] Unknown:
Right. Exactly. But the process is so convoluted that as you know when you sat down to sell your house, they took a prize from you. So, you know No. No. No.
[01:21:33] Unknown:
Well, not not really because the I hadn't filed an affidavit yet. And the the, that that money that was owed is on my body, not my house. So because I had not filed an affidavit with the secretary of state, this is interesting though, Sketch, because I had not filed new about this other stuff yet, even though that was all in the possession of the IRS, they came in and and took that 35,000. And then after that, I got a letter from them. It's the last time I've ever been contacted by them. And it said, you only owed us 30,000, but we took an extra 5,000 for taxes we think you'll owe in the future.
Now I I could have gone, but now again, because how do you sue the IRS? What's the, the the prerequisite? The tax has to have already been paid. Well, now they've taken it. So I could have gone back and gone to court and probably gotten that 5,000 back. But you know what? I was so glad to have those blood sucking bastards out of my life, and it felt so good that I just said, you know what? You take your 5,000 in blood money, you sorry thieving bastards. And guess what? Every time because see, I keep my own books and records. Now every time that 1 of you pull yourself out of the tax system or you get revocation of election money back, I'm just getting a little percentage of what they owe me. And I have heavy penalties and interest also, Sketch. So I guarantee you if we got 300000000 people pulling themselves out of the tax system, they wouldn't replay the freaking debt to me for that.
[01:23:26] Unknown:
That's good. That's good. I got 1 last comment, and that is Alright. That that we can't we we can't deal with the courts. It's a political question. That's all I could say. I yield.
[01:23:36] Unknown:
Okay, buddy. Well, thank you, and I hope we can generate some other people. It stimulated maybe on this. And the next time we get with Gene, maybe we could open it up to those who would like to, you know, actually, be involved. I don't know. We haven't had those rule changes yet, but the way we handle it last night was doctor Gene's expression of how he wanted to. And I've been anxious to talk to him since I knew we had a connection over a year ago through thanks to Joe. And, what a privilege and an honor, to help resurrect his work too because as everyone sees, that's some seminal project or, research project.
Alright? I mean, there are nine, ten people involved in that. He happened to be the front guy, but, they did some marvelous work for back in those times. And they gave us a unbelievably solid, irrevocable foundation to do what we do off of. So there you go. Anybody else in in the audience with comments or questions?
[01:24:41] Unknown:
Roger.
[01:24:43] Unknown:
Joan.
[01:24:44] Unknown:
What's the fraud part of mortgage? What makes it a fraud?
[01:24:52] Unknown:
Well, the fact that they didn't loan you any money. It's the whole monetary system is based on this. You know, when you say, well, I'm gonna go to the bank and get $10,000. Right? Do they Right. Do they actually give you $10,000? Well, they do, but you gotta do something first, don't you? You gotta go sign a promissory note. Don't you? Or let's say a car. Let's let's use a car. Okay. Okay? So you get your car. Hey, miss Joan, are you gonna pay for that by cash or you wanna finance it? Well, obviously, you're gonna finance it. So that means contract. That means promissory note. Promissory note out of the Babylonian but this is part of the, they're not on Admiralty law, folks. The whole system floats on this stuff right here. This is merchant law. So they get a contract, Babylonian merchant code. They get you in a contract, and you gotta promise to pay so many months of so much principal and so much interest, and that's the future income stream that's created when you sign it is your promise.
So that's where the money's created. They monetize what they're doing. They're monetizing your collateral. They're assigning a monetary value on whatever you're using as collateral on this promissory note. Well, here's where the itch is. And this is a legitimate place where they do make money out of thin air. It's when that loan is made, only the principal is loaned into circulation. What whatever you promise to pay at all that, the $10,000 is loaned into circulation or whatever the car cost. We're on a different deal. Okay? But the interest compounds on that out of thin air in that bubble of circulation.
Because when they do that, make a loan, the green pieces of paper with dead presidents on them are considered to be, quote, unquote, monetized. So green pieces of paper with dead presidents are only considered, quote, unquote, money after and that's, of course, a misnomer. That's after the process of loaning it into circulation. But the minute it's loaned into circulation, your compound interest starts ticking, doesn't it? The compound interest was never loaned into circulation. You've got to, in essence, play musical chairs with Lisa here who bought a car earlier.
And because you get her payments and she can't make her payments against her car possessed, but you make your payments to get to keep yours, But it's on that money in that pool that's manufactured out of thin air and interest, compound interest, what Einstein said was the eighth wonder of the world. It it's a complex issue, but it goes back to buttress the statement that there is no money. There's only credit. And this credit is your promissory note. I promise to pay. That's the credit. K? And so, they've they've built the whole system off of us being their little slaves. That's and and collateralizing our future income through that bond market. That's the root of all the credit, and that's why what we do is so important. Now it's too bad that we don't know when we do this if they do actually separate you from the commerce thing. They don't have to tell you. And and it probably doesn't, but it's still very symbolic in the fact that we get out of their tax system and don't have to repay their fraudulent debt because the whole thing's based on fraud.
It's based on fraud, Joan, that you they said they were gonna loan you money, and they didn't loan you any money. You loaned them your signature to compound interest on whatever the principal amount of your collateral is. It's I mean, it's really incredible. Now I I don't know. Have y'all heard me tell you that story about when I met Tom Schauff in Chicago, the certified public accountant? Have you I mean, I've told it before. I don't know if any of you have heard it. Back when there you couldn't get this information anywhere in the 1 good source, it's still there, was w w it was before there you know, this was on the Internet and stuff.
He has WWCR, Worldwide Christian Radio out of Nashville, big shortwave outfit. And at night, they would have, different shows on. We had pastor Peters on with scriptures for America. They had Bill Cooper on. They had Tom Valentine representing the Liberty Lobby, on for a couple hours. And then as it went into the wee hours of the night, there'd be other shows there. And there was 1 show 1 night. The guy that ran that show, I believe, is still in high security federal prison, and nobody's ever figured out why. His dad was trying to get him out for years. I don't remember his name. But the they they had a product called Water Oz, I believe. And they were, colloid like colloidal silver. They were doing bronze and copper and gold and other stuff. Well, they had this late night show with cutting edge stuff on it like that, which is still cutting edge all these years later, really.
And, they had a guest on there 1 night. His name was Tom Schoff. I guess, 2 f's. He was out of Chicago. Well, Tom Schoff was a certified public accountant who had qualified himself somehow to do expert forensic testimony in court where these guys really make the big bucks per hour, you know, in these high profile or value cases. And so what Tom realized is there was no school in the country to that could certify accountants to do expert testimony and court testimony. I don't know how he got himself done, but, anyway, that's what you know, the find a niche and fill it, the formula for a successful business. And so that's what he did. He started a school, for CPAs, how to come in and go through some sort of certification course and become certified to hit the high dollar court testimony circuit.
And so while he's given these classes while he's given the classes, 1 of the students who is a bank regulator, a regional bank regulator, compulsive aside and says, every loan in America is a fraud. And he goes, what? Yeah. A regional bank regulator talking to a certified, CPA for court testimony. And he goes, what? He said, let me show you what they're doing, and that's what he showed him. And he told us about it, and he started a company off of it. They had several people that they, took their mortgages to court, and the court handed them the keys to their mortgage and put the case under seal.
K? Which means nobody could see it. So, what that's what they do, Joan. You go and come in. I wanna buy this car. Okay. Finance it. You sign that promissory note. They then bring it back to the financial institution. Here's the trick. And they put it on the liability side of the ledger. But it's not a liability. It's a positive. You've got this paper where these people promise to pay, this amount over this many months. How the can that be a liability? Well, there's the fraud. Okay. It can't. And but then they take the note and as, against what Thomas Jefferson said, no discounting of notes, they discount it into the secondary market at a discount where the investor gets the lion's share of that payout over all those months and the high vig vigorous as they call it, that compound interest. And they give them actual currency, and they bring the currency back and put it on the opposite side of the ledger on the asset side. You know, double entry bookkeeping has liabilities and assets.
They bring it back and put it on the asset side, balancing the books, and they take that and pay your car off with the dealer. So they never loan you money. Every loan is a fraud. And I'm gonna tell you, it's not just The US, it's worldwide. Same scam in all the countries that participate in the Rothschild sphere of central banks. So that's where the rub is on that. Everything they do is a damn scam. Everything.
[01:34:32] Unknown:
So if so if I go in to buy a $10,000 car and get a loan, a $10,000 loan, when I sign, I'm what I'm basically signing is saying, I will pay interest payment for you, bank, to give me this $10,000. And and so but so, they do give me $10,000.
[01:34:59] Unknown:
No. But but you gave them the promissory note first. The promissory note created the 10,000 because it wasn't created until it was loaned into existence. And you signing the promissory note gave them with this little trickery thing the ability to do that. Now get this. Now you've got your let's say it's the car. So now you've got your car, and then you got your nice payment for the next four or five years. Right? They're doing sixty month payments on on automobiles, new automobiles now. That's a five year auto loan. You used to couldn't get 1 over 3. Okay?
So, you get your car, you're driving around, and you feel real spiffy in your new automobile, don't you? Okay? Well, guess what? Guess what? It is depreciating at a very rapid rate, especially the minute you drive it off the lot, but that compound interest is a cure. So you got depreciation on 1 side on your asset, the collateral, and compound interest compounding on it daily on the other side. These guys are slick. They have got 1 slick system going here.
[01:36:14] Unknown:
Okay. But they do give me $10,000
[01:36:17] Unknown:
right away. Well, they do, but they did but don't you get it? Yes. But you create you created it. They didn't. They didn't have it before you gave them that note.
[01:36:28] Unknown:
I I don't understand how I created it.
[01:36:31] Unknown:
Because you signed a piece of paper that said you're gonna pay them for five years so much every month. That's a future income stream, isn't it?
[01:36:41] Unknown:
Yeah.
[01:36:42] Unknown:
Well, that's what you agreed to. That's what how they created the 10,000. They take the promissory note. There is no 10,000 yet. They take the promissory note. They bring it back and put it on the liability, I owe I owe. I owe an asset. Yeah. Do you see the fraud there? How can it be a liability when it's a promise to pay for five years and so much money? This is the fraud. Now they discount it into the secondary market, take a reduced amount, let's say over the five years, it's fifth $55,000. Well, they discount it and they say, alright. Well, give us 40,000 or 35,000, and then you can get the rest of that interest in the payout. And then they take that 35,000 and they bring it back to the bank. First thing they do is they go pay off your dealership with your car. That they didn't have that money before they took the note and discounted it. When they gave them that 35,000, that's when they could create the money and pay off your car.
[01:37:49] Unknown:
Roger,
[01:37:50] Unknown:
may I add to what you said? Oh, yeah. You can you just let me ask her something, Sherry?
[01:37:55] Unknown:
Do do you know Oh, sure. Understand
[01:37:57] Unknown:
now, Joan?
[01:37:59] Unknown:
Is that clear? A lot better. I understand a lot better now.
[01:38:03] Unknown:
Alright. Well, maybe Sherry can help you here. Yes, Sherry. What you got to tell her?
[01:38:09] Unknown:
What you just said, does that not tell people the value of your autograph? It's your autograph on that document, and I I don't think people relate it to that. And the monetary part of it is your autograph.
[01:38:29] Unknown:
Well
[01:38:30] Unknown:
Because without that autograph on the promissory note, it's valueless.
[01:38:36] Unknown:
Nothing nothing has happened if you don't sign it. This goes back to the very first sentence on that book historical jurisprudence on the Babylonian Merchant Code. The first ninety pages, it's over on sovereignt0surf.com. The first ninety pages are on the Babylonian Merchant Code. The very first sentence in a book on historical jurisprudence, on the history of jurisprudence that goes all the way back to Babylon, the very first sentence is this. Babylon's great contribution to the world was they reduced everything in the society down to the abstract form of contract.
Mhmm. Right there. K?
[01:39:23] Unknown:
So Roger. Correct. Roger. But let me just finish with a contract doesn't exist without an autograph. And guard that with your live people. That's right. Your autograph
[01:39:39] Unknown:
is the only thing that you have besides your breath. I yield. I yield. Why do you think they always have you sign something under the 2 questions? I'm a citizen of The United States. I'm a resident. You always sign something. There it is. K? Now let well, I was gonna say in Babylon, because they didn't have jurats, I penalty of perjury, they would have the high priests of the temple would come out and say an incantation, like a notary witnessing your signature, over you signing the contract. And that was supposed to bind you to your oath. And, of course, it was also those high priests that in the early days of markets would set the prices in the markets. And it's those high priests that became the international bankers of today. Yes, Larry.
[01:40:36] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm glad, Sherry brought up the autograph thing. Is there a difference between an autograph and a signature? Because I was viewing the declaration of independence last night, and I was viewing an image not only of that but also of the US constitution and all the men that signed those documents they just signed it like their first name and their last name. I mean there's all these gurus out there saying oh it has to be an autograph or others say, no. You can't call it a sig a signature because that's a sign of nature. I mean, what the heck is all that about? Is there does it even matter? Yeah. I think it's people like the gold fringe flag people.
[01:41:16] Unknown:
They just wanna dig so deep into these things and put these, connect these dots supposedly on things that mean things that probably by your illustration don't have too much meaning. If anybody would have known about all that stuff, it would have been the guys that signed those documents, wouldn't it? Some of them are very scholarly men. I don't Yeah. Exactly. Like John Hancock. It's just John Hancock on the on the Declaration of Independence. I I 1 of my big challenges here is to go into people that have been involved in this for a while and studying and see if I can get as much of that BS out of their mind as I can get. Honestly, My my findings, and you can hear Bruce, Bart, Brent say the same thing, is, I I don't think any of that stuff of, is amounts to a pile of what does he say? Dried out doo doo?
[01:42:18] Unknown:
Right. I heard it explained 1 time that all an all an autograph is is, like, if if you have a movie star, they they have a special way of signing their name, because, you know, you want you want them to sign a picture or something. They're not gonna sign their name the same way if they were signing a document like the an official document or something.
[01:42:41] Unknown:
Don't know. No. I don't know. It's just off again, off in the weeds. I don't it makes does that have any bearing on whether you can be a national through our process or not? It's never come up to my knowledge. And anything that doesn't have a bearing on that, I just tend to disregard.
[01:42:58] Unknown:
Right. You've always said when you sign your affidavit of citizenship evidence, you just sign it just like you would any other document. You just sign your name. You don't have to put all this special,
[01:43:09] Unknown:
you know, dots and components. And stuff. Yeah. No. No. All that is just that's, who's the guy that's that's dead now that used to I couldn't listen to more than ten seconds of his crap. The 1 that was changing all the words and, I can't anyway Oh. There's a lot of people Yeah. David Windmiller. About that 1. He there's a lot of people teaching a whole lot of crap out there. Now the question becomes, Larry, do they know it's crap, or are they just parenting stuff to have a business and be a PA YTrian?
[01:43:50] Unknown:
That's what Yeah. I think it goes back to your little story that you you tell about the way someone baked the cake or something
[01:43:57] Unknown:
or meatloaf or a turkey. Right. Right. Right. Cut the end off the pot roast, and they finally get back to the grandmother. She said, well, we just we didn't have big enough skillet. I had to cut it, cut the end off to get it in the oven. Oh, all these generations have been going because of that, you know? So wacko stuff. Yes. And people are certainly predisposed to act in those types of well, this is the way it was before, and most of that time is good. But we're creatures of habit. No doubt, Larry. Any other comments and stuff? Or What do you think I have a question. Mark well, Mark didn't make it. He wasn't gonna be here today.
[01:44:38] Unknown:
Okay. We're gonna go Well, just listen on the side and take care of business.
[01:44:42] Unknown:
I wanna see what Straumann. I wanna see what Strawman thought of the interview last night. Go ahead, Sherry.
[01:44:51] Unknown:
Well, my question is, isn't the definition of words important?
[01:44:58] Unknown:
Of course.
[01:44:59] Unknown:
Between signature and autograph, and an autograph is distinct, and they are applying their I'm just saying, does that not have relevance to this conversation?
[01:45:11] Unknown:
I don't see any relevance in it, but you you may bring something that gets my attention. I mean, I think there's Okay. So with a different label.
[01:45:22] Unknown:
Okay. But the definition of each is important? They might be somewhat synonymous. The definitions
[01:45:32] Unknown:
are different. Some Sherry, it's something I've never ever in thirty something years ever considered, honestly.
[01:45:39] Unknown:
Right. Well, it brings back to, you know, words have meaning. And, you
[01:45:47] Unknown:
Okay. Well, can you go give us an example of what you're talking about, whether it's positive or negative?
[01:45:56] Unknown:
Well, signature is more of a legal term, and, so your autograph is unique and distinctive to you.
[01:46:08] Unknown:
So You know what? They would teach us when I was at Pitney Bowes and we're selling all that high end equipment and stuff, and they'd say, you never sign a contract. You always okay an agreement. Yes. We're not interested.
[01:46:27] Unknown:
K.
[01:46:28] Unknown:
Mark, what you what you how do you weigh in on this autograph
[01:46:33] Unknown:
v signature? Well, I I was wanting to circle back to the, the the loan and writing of the note real quick for Joan. It's really simple. Think about it this way. The bank doesn't have the additional funds to fund your loan until they take your note that you signed and deposit it with the Federal Reserve Bank. That's it. It's that simple. Now mind you, that went through your, you you know, your signature on that note that you went through a underwriting process. You had to qualify. You had to meet all these conditions before it could be deposited into the Federal Reserve Bank.
So it's not just like willy nilly. You just sign any old document, and we'll you know, we can convert it into, you know, credit. So or currency. But that's how that is. And if you really wanna get a good picture of that, there's a a book that was written by a pastor in Kansas. I think his name was Sheldon Emery or Emery Sheldon. Let me get him turned around. Yeah. And it's called Billions for Bankers, Debts for People. You can go to Amazon if you want the physical copy of that book and download it. Now years ago, I was at a gun show, and I found that. It was a little booklet. It wasn't a big book.
Right. And it had nice, illustrations in it, very simple. And, I mean, you get about halfway through that book, you're like, oh my gosh. This is what the banking system is? Yep. And, that's when I checked out of the banking system was after I read that book. Yeah.
[01:48:10] Unknown:
No more loans. He was, don't you, Mark? Sheldon Emery? No. He was the father of all these identity pastors. He's 1 of the ones that really, really spread the Christian identity message. All of these guys are all students of him. Peters, my pastor, James Brueggemann, the the the the guy, Ted Weiland, all those folks are, disciples, if you will, of Sheldon Emery. His son-in-law Right. Is still Dave Dave. He's up in, Northern Idaho, Coeur D'Alene, I think. Dave Barley. Dave Barley, I believe, is his name, married Sheldon Emery's daughter. Oh, wow.
[01:48:54] Unknown:
So, anyway, did you brought that name up? I had to give kudos to Emery because he did not put a copyright on that book, and all he asked is that you not modify it. Right. If you could make as many copies that you want, just do not change it.
[01:49:09] Unknown:
And the cover, I think, is, the congress with an octopus on the top with all the tentacles going everywhere, is it? No. It's No. It's a it's a banker on 1 side and a farmer on the other. It's like a Okay. Split screen.
[01:49:23] Unknown:
So the banker's all in a nice suit and got money in his hands, and the banker's plowing a field. I mean, the plow another name of the
[01:49:31] Unknown:
book again? Billions for the banker. For bankers.
[01:49:35] Unknown:
That's billions with a b. Billions for bankers. Debts for the people.
[01:49:41] Unknown:
Yeah. Okay. I already have that.
[01:49:43] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Well because the debts vigor get that vigorous generated that whatever it is percent compound interest, the eighth wonder of the world. And that's what they literally survive on. They have a name for it. They call it vigorous.
[01:50:02] Unknown:
Yep. Those who understand it will earn it. Those who do not will pay it.
[01:50:07] Unknown:
Yep. Yep. And literally, you know what interest means? Usury means? Have you heard Brent say that? It means to put a scorpion on your back.
[01:50:16] Unknown:
Oh, wow.
[01:50:18] Unknown:
Ain't that the truth? Yes. It means to marriage.
[01:50:23] Unknown:
Was that Ferris? No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Please. Please. Please don't. No. That's the name that we don't That's the name that we don't That's the name that we don't That's the name that we don't name that we don't I'm sorry. You do know how to I've got a couple of points quick before the end of the show. I've got no. I gotta find out what's straw man. We got a minute. I wanna find out what straw man thought about the interview last night.
[01:50:45] Unknown:
I thought it was really good. There's a lot of parallels of what you've been teaching, and then doctor Schroeder, his research, you can see how that all dovetails together.
[01:50:58] Unknown:
Mhmm.
[01:51:00] Unknown:
It's the the issue with the the, War and Emergencies Power Act Powers Act. Thank you. There's no easy solution to undo that without just, like doctor Schroeder said, wrecking the global economy because it's under such control right now. And, you know, but I think the big thing is if anybody that had the the guts to do it would be doing like what, the economist at Martin Armstrong said. Just start taking the the Federal Reserve notes out of circulation and then replacing them slowly with US notes. And, you know, the last president who started trying to replace that and pay off debt with, US notes was John f Kennedy.
So every time the every time a president's tried to mess with the money system, they got whacked.
[01:52:06] Unknown:
To mess with that debt, you've got to play in the bond market. Now I can see maybe paying off the bond, notes with a US
[01:52:17] Unknown:
note.
[01:52:18] Unknown:
Okay? But I don't think exchanging them will cure it. You gotta pay off those bondholders
[01:52:24] Unknown:
somehow. Now get this. Why can't you pay them off with US notes?
[01:52:28] Unknown:
Well, get this. Is are is most of this all on fraud? All of it. Yes. It is. K. But there's legitimate investors that have purchased those bonds. That's the problem. But there's a thing on a bond called a CUSIP number where they put that on the bond so they can make sure they get the payment to the right bond holder. Yep. So we could go back and trace the bond holder through the CUSIP number. And if it's a legitimate investor, pay their coupon. And if it's 1 held by the Federal Reserve or the Treasury, you you don't pay it. It's fraud. So there's a way to go in and identify that, but that'd take a lot of organization and access to their internal records. And I don't see us getting it pretty soon. Maybe straw man will get it, but I don't know if you and I will. No. AI can do it.
AI could do it. AI probably should. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, that would be a way to punish them by not getting their fraudulent vigorous, but not punishing a legitimate investor like, I don't know, some little housewife in Hoboken. You know?
[01:53:37] Unknown:
Right.
[01:53:38] Unknown:
Alright. All I know is when they talked about signature is a sign of nature. My straw man over here in the quarter is starting to do a little jig. He's getting warmed up. He's ready for the gold French flat. He was No. Clever, and I could There you go. Okay. Roger.
[01:53:54] Unknown:
I got I got 2 points. Alright. No problem first. Points. Is it my turn yet?
[01:53:59] Unknown:
Yes. I said Paul first.
[01:54:01] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you. The AI overview. The main difference between signature and an autograph is the signature is used to certify a document, while an autograph is a personal item. The purpose There you go. A signature is used to the contents of a document and to identify the person who signed it. It's a legal requirement in business and legal settings. An autograph contract. Is a personal item that links someone to a celebrity or historical moment. Mhmm.
[01:54:33] Unknown:
But you can have oral contracts. And, Mark, you know what remember what those are called?
[01:54:41] Unknown:
Oral contract?
[01:54:43] Unknown:
No. I don't. P a r o l e. Parole contracts or oral contracts.
[01:54:50] Unknown:
They're rare. They're they're they're legit. They got a label for them. Well, you see it you see it in law all the time. They talk about oral contracts. You know? Right. So yeah.
[01:55:01] Unknown:
1 more 1 more quick note. I do believe car loans are up to eighty four months now maximum,
[01:55:08] Unknown:
I think. That's, like, seven years?
[01:55:11] Unknown:
Yeah. It's seven years.
[01:55:13] Unknown:
Wow. Whoo. Mhmm. Yep. And, boy, do they get some vigorous on that. And and, also, your car's depreciating the whole time, by the way. Who was trying to say something there a minute ago?
[01:55:27] Unknown:
Was that Samuel? That was me.
[01:55:29] Unknown:
Samuel. Supposedly, the way the story goes, and this really points at intent and prior knowledge. Johnson on the way back from Dallas after he gets sworn in resends Kennedy's Federal Reserve, legislation before he even gets back to Washington. Right. Before he even gets back to Washington. I think I've heard that before too. Yeah. Well, it's all about their power to have this little trick there that I hoped I got across to Joan. And the whole system is 100% fraud, all of it from top to bottom. And I shouldn't have to tell you fraud vitiates any contract, which means it negates it, ab initio, which means from the beginning.
So that's another reason they have to recognize what we submit to them, or they don't have to. They can be open tyrants, but they pretty well know their their outcome should they take that path.
[01:56:47] Unknown:
It's like Thank you, Roger. Thank you, Mark. Yeah. You're welcome. Thank you, Roger. Thank you, Mark. Yeah. You're welcome now. Thank you. Thank you. You're welcome.
[01:56:57] Unknown:
You got any other questions, Johnny?
[01:56:59] Unknown:
Thank you. Thank you, Scott. Hooray for Sheldon.
[01:57:03] Unknown:
Hooray for Sheldon. Hey. All of this all of this is based on a signature slash autograph. Nothing is done without that.
[01:57:13] Unknown:
No. That's right. You gotta commit to something. As I said, that book reduced everything down to a form of contract. We can't have a contract that's unsigned that's valid. There's no such thing. Mhmm. K? So,
[01:57:29] Unknown:
why don't you have a parole
[01:57:31] Unknown:
and verbal contract. Yep. But Yep.
[01:57:35] Unknown:
But I and I don't know And your word is your bond. Yeah. That kind of thing, which is too bad the country doesn't run on that principle anymore. Parts of it do, but very small. So, anybody else got anything we're gonna hear? We got a couple of minutes left here. So no other additional thoughts.
[01:57:55] Unknown:
You gotcha? I just
[01:57:57] Unknown:
Okay. Hold on. Let me get Bruce, Joan. He hadn't spoken yet. Yes, sir. What'd you think, Bruce, of the, doctor Gene interview?
[01:58:06] Unknown:
Well, I got part of it. It was, skeletal skeleton in the beginning. Y'all were walking over each other. And I think patients need to come into play here, you know, in any way, basically. When you sign that okay. When you sign that document signature, that is your energy represented on that document. When an attorney has to do any initial, thing on that document, they will put on b y colon in their initial. That means anything above what they initial, they're not responsible for.
[01:58:50] Unknown:
Okay. Well, I've never heard that before, but okay. B y and colon, have you ever heard that, Mark?
[01:58:57] Unknown:
Well, no. Not like that. Not in that in that context.
[01:59:02] Unknown:
I know when you make a change, you and the other person both have to initial a change. If it's some minor modification, you just scratch out a word or whatever you do need to do, put the new word in, and both of you have to initial it. I know that they do that that that way. So anyway well, thank you, Bruce. Joan, you had something else?
[01:59:26] Unknown:
Well, tell me if this is right about a mortgage or a loan. Okay. So I signed the paper, the contract, whatever, and then they and then I start and then, the money comes from the the interest that I pay or that I'm going to pay goes to these bondholders. So they just get that free money. Joan. And then Not Joan. They
[01:59:55] Unknown:
No. John, I don't know that you're signing a promissory note, not a bond, first of all. And you create the money hold on. Hold on. You create the money. Yours you've got them separate. You create the money when you sign the promissory note. You started the process. You promised to pay that much money over that much time, and that's what starts the whole process that ends up with the green pieces of president, dead presidents circulating. If you need to, we'll go back over it on Saturday. Okay? It's very simple. Just need to get your arms around it. It's very simple. It's the basis of the entire world.
This is how they created the illusionary world we're in. It's under the color of law that you are free and that debt is money. Those 2 stupid things have created this illusion we live in. Yes.
[02:00:57] Unknown:
You can get a free copy of Billions.
[02:01:01] Unknown:
I think I was first. This is Larry. All notes get securitized. Car loans, credit card debt, it all gets securitized. And if anyone wants to learn about that, they could look it up. There's a number of I YouTube videos on the subject.
[02:01:16] Unknown:
I in most credit card debt unsecured unsecuritized,
[02:01:20] Unknown:
they can't come back to that. Used for investment purposes as derivatives, securitized as a derivative.
[02:01:28] Unknown:
Okay. Okay. Got you. Got you. Put into that.
[02:01:31] Unknown:
Yep. And that That's that's that's a more new real complicated.
[02:01:36] Unknown:
Yeah. Millions for bankers, debts for people, all over the Internet.
[02:01:41] Unknown:
There you go. And that's a good book to read. I'm I read it years ago. The main reason for this symptom is to make the inflation that it creates palatable to the individual. Well, it's like when they say we had 3% interest last year. What they're really saying is the purchasing power in your Federal Reserve low note lost 3% last year. Reserve low note lost 3% last year. That's what that's what it is. Yep. It's it's a it's a brilliant system. I mean, it's literally brilliant. They put together and, a bit tedious to unravel and understand. But, Joan, we will do our best to make sure that you understand this. Okay?
[02:02:28] Unknown:
Thank you, Roger.
[02:02:29] Unknown:
Alright. Hey, Roger. I'd like to address Yeah. Go ahead, Mark. Funny comment about everybody stepping on our you know, over on each other's toes. Yeah. We we have a communicate I'm talking about a technical communication issue, and I don't know how we're gonna solve it because we've got people joining by Zoom. We got people joining by free conference call. And depending upon well, we got people who call in using an old speakerphone. And so there's these delays, and we step on each other's toes. And it's it's just kind of a mess, and we're gonna have to figure out a way to work around that now. Gotcha. We're at we're we're back to where we were six months ago, Paul.
[02:03:14] Unknown:
No. Actually You're you're I think you're delays that are not our fault and that we have no control over. The different legs of the Internet, will transmit data at a different speed. So Yep. When it's voice over Internet protocol, that will add a delay to the speech, and that's something we have no control over. Even if everybody was on free conference call, even if everyone was on the same platform, there would still be those delays present. It's just the nature of the beast. So, there is only literally a quarter second delay between Zoom and free conference call the way it's configured. As long as the Internet keeps its cookies, we're all good.
So I think we do. We've got we've got people using smartphones out in the middle of a cornfield. We've got people up in Alaska. We've got people, on dial up. We got, the voice over IP conversion from their their telephone going through wires, going to a server somewhere, and then coming down.
[02:04:18] Unknown:
Yeah. It's not digital.
[02:04:21] Unknown:
Well Dude, it's something that keeps me awake at night. Yes. And when we have people like Sherry that come in, just say may I or or or comment or however you wanna enter. Yes. But let me say before I turn it over to you, Sherry, that just remember, it's it's wonderful that we can have this for practically nothing per month and have the reach and what we've got here to freely cover and have uncensored communications about these incredibly important things we discussed. Yes, Sherry.
[02:04:54] Unknown:
I was just gonna say that and I agree, Roger. Consideration. And I think there is quite a bit more than a fair amount here. It's not very often people step on each other and don't yield the floor.
[02:05:12] Unknown:
Uh-huh. I thought they were referring to the interview from last night, and I was guilty of of interrupting Gene just because I I've seen his thing. I understand his whole deal, and our stuff has such an impactful new, perspective for him. Like, when I explained to him, no. No. The the the income tax goes to those bondholders. That's the key link to their whole fraudulent system right there. That's why IRS is so big and bad to keep you cowering in the corner and filing that ten forty.
[02:05:46] Unknown:
Gotcha.
[02:05:47] Unknown:
Joan.
[02:05:49] Unknown:
I'm just glad that 2 or 3 people have brought up the stepping on each other because I've been wanting to say it for a long time and, especially with, Dean Schroeder and you, Roger. Every word that you said and last night on the recording and that you played this morning, every word was valuable to me, and every word that Jean Schroeder and Joe said and Mark and the recording was valuable to me. And but when somebody doesn't let somebody finish their sentence Their thought. And then and they and they talk on top, they start answering before the person finishes, then Yeah. Then I did then then I didn't get to hear your word or their word. And so Well, sometimes
[02:06:34] Unknown:
that, much much of the time, that's all that delay, and it's something we can't do much about. Now I was just over exuberant last night myself. And Yeah. When those things came up, I wanted to interject those things, and I'm guilty of it. I I said that. Joe straightened me out a couple of times last night, but it's as you folks know, I'm enthusiastic about this. And I see it. I just want everybody to understand it. And Jean and his potential circle of influence, I want him to understand it. He'd been working on it most of his adult life. So, anyway, that's, I apologize. We'll do better.
[02:07:14] Unknown:
I I think a really good way to do it is, just because you said, hey, Roger, doesn't mean you can immediately go into whatever spiel you wanted to say. Right. Yeah. You have to wait until you're acknowledged.
[02:07:30] Unknown:
Yeah. And and that seems to work if I'm having a conversation with Mark and somebody says, hey, Roger. I'll say, okay. Hold on. We'll finish what we're talking about, and then we'll go to whoever that was. And I I think I'm pretty efficient at that. I recognize your voices mostly and can get you stacked up, I guess, like an air traffic control guy with all those planes circling around and identify which 1 was in what order. Well, I do pretty good, I think.
[02:07:58] Unknown:
Right. Well, if I may, the problems, usually happen when somebody says comment, and then they immediately blow in with their comment. Yeah. Okay. I'll try that. The other person is still talking. They don't give you an opportunity to actually, take people in order, you know, in order of appearance and all that. It's you just gotta be a little patient, folks. I know that you're excited. I know that that that you have valuable things to add to the program, and you're just chomping at the bit to do it, but
[02:08:32] Unknown:
just take a breath. We got we got them we gotta follow this protocol to maintain some order, and we do pretty good, I think. Yeah. Okay. Anybody else got anything to say? Anybody else got any questions for me? You're sketch. Yes, sir.
[02:08:47] Unknown:
I just wanted to say that, it's helpful if you say you're done or I yield.
[02:08:53] Unknown:
That way, everybody knows. Yeah. But it True. Thank you. Gonna take
[02:08:58] Unknown:
Yep. It's gonna take a lot of time if we all have to do that, but I that might help. I don't know. I yield. No. You could just say yield. And have a blessed day, Roger.
[02:09:08] Unknown:
Thank you, sir. I'm gonna go hustle up some lunch somewhere. It's gone from really pretty and sunny to cloudy, so, as it usually does. That's my bitch with this time of year on the show is it it when it's in the other time of the year, it's over at twelve, and I can get out and get a little bit of daylight and pretty morning. So, anyway, I'll get I'll make it through it, and I I trust everybody will be alright. We've got, Brent tomorrow, of course, and we'll see what registers with him. Yeah. I know he's chomping at the bit to have to have a conversation with Gene Schroeder. We got a lot in common.
So, anybody else got anything? Alright. Mark, you said you couldn't make it today. You must have been able to come in on the tail end. Glad you did.
[02:10:00] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:10:01] Unknown:
Alright. Well, I will, see y'all. Have a great afternoon, and we'll see you, in twenty two short hours or less. Ciao. Thanks.
[02:10:12] Unknown:
Thank you. Hey, Roger. Thank you for being an air traffic controller with no pay. I appreciate you.
[02:10:19] Unknown:
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Tack's the ridge. Yepper yepper. And, we would too. We try on a six day a week basis here at the Radio Ranch. Roger Sales, your host. Yet another edition, the Thursday, the WebAss edition here, with special recordings from last night with, people that have really contributed to our project, not ours, but the overall project. And it's the, date stamp today, Dec. 19, Thursday, as I said. So we're, going to try and get this program in in a time span. So I'll turn it over to Paul real quick, and he can give us all the other platforms that are helping us.
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[00:04:12] Unknown:
Yep. What we're gonna do is play a, a conversation we had last night with doctor Gene Schroeder, him and a research team of 8 or 9 other people. Thirty years ago produced a, an opus called War and Emergency Powers Act. It got a lot of attention back in those days, of course. And we didn't know what we know back then, unfortunately, because our project here, builds on his, honestly. And, so we've been trying. Joe has a personal relationship with doctor Jean. And we tried about a year ago, and a big winter storm screwed us up. And then I kinda dropped the ball because I know he's busy. And, so Joe put together this last night as a, hopefully, a a multipart, conversation with Gene, but we started with 1. It was his, request that we keep the group small, and, maybe later we can enlarge that. We are, evidently going to have another 1, but it will be after the inauguration.
So this, what Paul is gonna play for us is last night's, conversation with the doctor Gene Schroeder of the front man, at least, and part of the research team of, War Emergency Powers, which is a fantastic, research project. If you've if you're new and you haven't watched that video, on our side, it's down in the new student section on the bottom right, and Paul has cleaned up the audio. And it ought to be, like, mandatory viewing for our students early on because it shows you the basis of what we, build upon. So, Paul, with that being said, without taking up too much time so we can get this in before Chicago leaves, so why don't you go ahead and, engage?
Alright. I know, Gene, that Joe said the topics that you particularly wanted to cover were Mortmain and the Warren Emergency Powers Act. So why don't we just plunge off on that?
[00:06:12] Unknown:
Okay. Why don't we, well, hell, I imagine everybody's fully aware of the of the, Warren Emergency Powers. I think you guys have been discussed that a lot, you in the past, and probably not too much more than I can add to that right now other than what we pretty well already know. But there'll be some things that that probably never did get discussed very much. So let's just do a quick review of those sworn emergency powers. And I think 1 of the best ways to describe it is was this senate report in the very beginning. It said under the powers, speaking of the emergency and the war powers, the president may seize property, seize and control the means of production, seize commodities, assign military forces abroad, institute martial law, control all transportation and communications, control the operation of private enterprise, restrict travel, and a in a plethora of particular ways, control the lives of all American citizens.
Now does that sound familiar? Yep. Got it. Is there anything left on there that that probably he couldn't do? Let me read a little bit more. I'm reading here from Constitution Fact or Fiction. It just happened to be 1 of them books that I've done. But Yeah. He's going ahead and says that Franklin Roosevelt responded to the economic depression in 1933 by using war and emergency powers intended only for dealing with rebellion and invasion. During his first one hundred days in office, and you all, hear all the time now about the first hundred days of these presidents. Well, this is what they're refer referring to, starting on March and running through June 0, and they called it the first hundred days.
And during the first hundred days in office, he seized all gold and silver, took the country off the gold standard. He established a banking system based on the debts of the American people. Expanded the trading with the enemy act to include enemies of The United States, to include the citizens of The United States, including all the American people, established government control over natural resources, the social agenda, welfare, utilities, private financing, industry, labor, and transportation, bailed out the banks. Roosevelt staff abrogated the gold clause in all public contracts.
Thus usurping the legality of private contracts. That's important. At the same time, he established control over finances for the prices of homes and inserted into the agriculture adjustment act of clause that shifted the power to coin the money and to regulate the value in a foreign coin, which we all know was in the constitution, but he conveyed or Congress conveyed that power from them to the president. In addition, the government, under their new banking act, declared that ownership of all property is in the state. Now that's important because Super important.
The federal government under this new banking act, which was going to issue new Federal Reserve bank notes instead of Federal Reserve notes. And these bank notes were to be just secured by all the people, old property, the homes, and everything of the American people, plus it gave the federal congress the authority and the and the government the authority to mortgage the people through this continuation of the national debt Correct. To secure the bank notes. Yep. And so here we sit today, and what's the limit on the amount of government, money that the government can create through creating more more more debt? We're we're talking about it tonight. They're up there debating about how much they're gonna increase the the debt limit so they can have all this money.
There there is no limit. There there's no limit. That's that's that's correct. That there is no limit to the amount of money that they can create. Now that begs the question, do they need to tax anybody?
[00:10:28] Unknown:
Oh, of course.
[00:10:29] Unknown:
No. They don't need to tax. They can make all the money they want. They don't need tax money. No. No. And The only reason they tax people is is, to some degree, redistribute
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the income to the ones that they want. Yeah. Jean, let me just show you a different perspective on that. Okay? What they're doing, what we found, is they've got this feudal system in place. They flipped everyone into that condition of a citizen federal citizen as a surety for the debt on that important March '33 debt. And what they're doing is they said they're mortgaging the people. What they're doing is the birth certificate is acting as a warehouse receipt because they are putting you you're being born into a condition of voluntary servitude. And so they use birth certificate, and they attach that to the bonds.
And the income tax goes to pay the bondholders. They're they're collateralized.
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I don't I don't disagree with that at all. That the birth certificate basically is almost like a title that they hold. Warehouse receipt. Yeah. Or or warehouse receipt. Same. Yeah. So So, you know, that's that's interesting. So here we sit today, and and we've got first off, on they came with that emergency Banking Relief Act, which seized all the gold, ultimately seized the silver, issued the new Federal Reserve banknotes. And, and from that point, we went from about a half a trillion dollars worth of debt to where we're at today. And how big is it today? They're talking on the television here a while ago, 37,000,000,000,000.
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Right. Right. But it's all fraud. And because you're being born in that condition because of this bankruptcy. And here's the catch. Have you found the slavery clauses in the constitution that aren't there? There's 2 slavery clauses there are 2 slavery clauses in the constitution that aren't written but implied. And the first one is in, it's article 4 or 5 where they say you can't impair the ability to contract. Well, a if you saw yourself in the bondservant, you are voluntarily giving that away in a contract. And the other is in the thirteenth amendment where it says neither slavery nor involuntary servitude shall, be in a state unless a person has been duly convicted of a crime, yada yada, but they leave out voluntary servitude.
Voluntary servitude is not filled by omission in the thirteenth amendment. And now here's the end. Here's the end game. Hey, doctor Gene. Are you a citizen of The United States and a resident?
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You know, that's what they claim. I've always said I was a citizen of the state of Colorado, but, you know, I guess that's neither here nor there. We can argue about it. Well, it no.
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Not if you say so. There is no argument. But the other thing that I don't understand is might win that argument.
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You'd win it every time. Okay?
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Because everything's got to be voluntary. There's 1 thing we've learned. Everything's got to be voluntary. If it's not voluntary, it's tyranny.
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So what they've got to do is they've got to do are we gonna do about it? Then that's the question is, well, what is the options? Now okay. Let's think about this a minute. If it's voluntary, then we can simply say, you know, this debt that you placed on us is not valid.
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Correct.
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Especially the grandkids because they didn't have a damn thing to say about it voluntary or otherwise. They were born into it. Okay? So let's just say it's not it's not valid. And here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna issue United States Treasury notes that are nonsecured just like what we've got today if that debt's not valid. They're nonsecured notes. Right. We issue enough nonsecured notes to pay off all of this fiat debt that we're supposed to have. Yep. And then we let the free market take over. Say now what those nonsecured notes work? I don't know. But I guess the free market will rule, and we'll find out.
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What the hell is wrong with that? We've eliminated the debt. It's nothing. You could use the same technique you're talking about here with Lincoln's greenbacks. Okay? And that system will work. Yeah. You you print the the notes, the currency. It's not money. It's currency. You print it, and That's not your theory. Right. You spend it into circulation. And the trick for the thing to work is you always tax out what you spend in, and there's no excess for speculation. And if that would've happened no interest on it. It would've worked. Right. So, anyway, here's what with this, this is a good news I've got for you tonight.
Now that you understand this voluntary thing, all you have to do is volunteer out. That's what we teach people. I've been doing it for fourteen and a half years. There's never been 1 blowback from the federal government reported to us. Never once. We get passports. We got we got the whole thing. We get okay. So, anyway, we got the that problem, it appears to be solved. Go ahead, Joe. I wish we could get back to our emergency powers. Okay. Sorry. I interrupted. Sorry.
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Oh, not not not a problem. I think we're having a good discussion here, and that's and that's important. That's because that is part of the emergency powers. Is that money? 1 of the things that go ahead. Go ahead. But
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I think it's important to, if you would, explain how they use the Agricultural Adjustment Act to implement all of this through staffing court.
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Yeah. It was a title 8 of the Agricultural Adjustment Act where it says that congress shall have the power to coin the money, regulate the value thereof in a foreign coin. Well, section 43 of that Agricultural Adjustment Act says that Congress is hereby going to transfer the congressional powers to coin the money, regulate the value thereof in a foreign coin to the president, and they did. Now that's important, as to how congress then begin to transfer their constitutional powers to the executive. Okay? And that was just the beginning because once the executive had the powers and the congress knew that they could do it, they then began to pass all these, all the acts that was transferring all these powers. And I got here and marked someplace in my book where it started to list. Here's just some of the things they done on the first hundred days. And on March 9, they done the Emergency Banking Act.
March, they done the Economy Act, which was to reduce, the government deficit, but they reduced it with new money. The Civil Conservation Act, control of the natural resources, that was on March. Was abandonment of the gold standard and the seizure of all the gold. On May was the Emergency Relief Act, which can gave control of the social agenda and the natural, national welfare programs. On May was the Agricultural Adjustment Act. May was the Tennessee Valley Authority Act, which basically nationalized all the utilities. May was the Securities Exchange Act, which controlled all of private finance.
June was a house joint resolution, for the abrogation of the gold gold clause and all the public and private contracts. That's what Joe was talking about. The homeowners loan act, which control the financing and the prices of the homes and the bailout of all the banks, the National Industrial Recovery Act, which required every industry to license itself, and, for labor then to form the the Labor Relations Act and to compete with the with some big corporations. The Glass Steagall Act, which divorced commercial and investment banking. The Railroad Coordination Act, which resulted in the naturalization and the transport evolved transportation in the end. And it goes on and on, as the, you know, the kinds of powers that we created and gave to the what what is now the bureaucracy.
It's always hundreds of agencies and commissions and bureaus, and we can go on and on, until we got this voted government that we have today.
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Yep. Jean, didn't they extend the mortgage, to thirty year mortgages in that period too? It seems like before it was the Jimmy Stewart, it's a wonderful life, banking world, and the banks held their own paper, and they never issued a mortgage more than ten years. I believe they extended it to thirty in that with this all this going on too.
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You know, and that could be the case. I'd have to go back and reread through all the max to see if it's in there. But I it wouldn't surprise me a bit because I know, with the Reconstruction Finance Corporation, I was trying to remember what what that was, but I think that was unlimited terms.
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Probably.
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And that came in, like, '38, I think.
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Mhmm.
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But the but the point being is what all this is boiled down to is we now have this gigantic, bloated bureaucracy. It's not a constitutional republic. It's not a democracy. It's a bureaucracy, and it's made up of the big corporations Yep. Being the government being 1 of the biggest of the corporations. Yep. It's the deep state. All these bureaucrats and and the and the bureaus and the commissions and the deep state. Yes. And that's what we're dealing with. Right.
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The bureaucrats, it came the first time. It came there was some of it in Rome, I believe. But the first time they really took this plan was in the French Revolution. And as they instituted the administrative state after the revolution, they would identify the bureaucrats because they would have burlap on their desk. And burlap is is bureau in French, and that's where it came from.
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Right. Right. So So that leaves us now down to where we're at. You know, I was just sitting here thinking, well, they they say, okay. We're gonna, create this efficiency in government. Well, number 1, you can't create a pure an efficient bureaucracy. They're, you know, they're they're diabetically opposed to each other. But, nonetheless, you know, what do you you here here, we're gonna have this, elimination of this bureaucracy. So I was just sitting here a while ago thinking, well, if we eliminated a thousand bureaucrats a day, that'd be 360 some thousand bureaucrats a year.
10 years from now, if we kept doing that, we wouldn't even make a dent in the number of bureaucrats we got. There's over 600 of those agencies. Yeah. So here's the the thing. If we're gonna fix this thing, the all all we can do is terminate the act of Terminate the emergency, and 99% of the bureaus and the bureaucrats will go away. They have no authority.
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Question. Jane, do you still contend that that emergency is in effect to this day?
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Look around, Joe. You don't have to ask me the question. Just look. Yes. Absolutely. It's in effect.
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Because that that was discussed earlier in the day about, which was the longest lasting emergency.
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Yes. Right. I don't know of 1 we have Federal Reserve notes or Federal Reserve bank notes. What do we got? Yeah. No. We got notes. You know, that's all you need to know. And you can read right in the act itself that this this will terminate when the president terminates it. Never happened.
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Now the 1 original 1 in 1917 was terminated when the war was stopped. Right? But this 1 in '33
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is the 1 But they never changed it. Whenever they terminated the World War two or yeah. The World War one one, they left that trading with the enemy air clause in there. And then that's the 1 they relied on for the for the March 9, '1. Right. That's where they except for section 5 b. Section 5 b. Right. Except for section that b. Well, you heard
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you heard Trump about a year ago when they were doing all these malicious prosecutions on him, And he made he said Sure. They're trying to charge me with some 1917 legislation.
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That's what it was. Right? What do you think? Does does these people that surround him and him and he himself, do they have a clue what we're dealing with here, you think?
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Joe, I mean, Jean, I wish I knew. We our stuff at least come we have a pilot student that flies big wigs around out of Georgia, and he, says that it is being discussed at Mar A Lago. He didn't tell me if it was the security guards, the groundskeepers, the chefs, who was discussing it, but the IR stuff is starting to percolate around a little bit. So I I don't know the extent. I try not to get my hopes up because they've been dashed so many times previously. And just take 1 step in front of the other and wait for the good lord to open the door where we can get a big platform to a large audience. If I I think we're, we got a very firm foundation.
I've been teaching this for fourteen and a half years. I don't charge anybody. I give it away and, have that radio show to help answer questions because I know how complex it is. And, and we're making progress, although it's excruciatingly slow and much slower than I would have thought or like. But I know that I'd rather be a a firm foundation organization than a flash in the pan. Our message is very powerful, and it makes what it does, Jean, instead of having to get rid of the bureaucrats with Trump, we do it ourselves. Once you do this Right. None of them have any authority or or jurisdiction over you except for 2 constitutional taxes in in the IRS code. And that's the only, authority from any agency that they have on you. And, we've had proof after proof of it with students and situations.
But, anyway, that's kind of a synopsis, and and I, because what we're doing is what you tried to do on a group effort, we're doing on an individual effort. It's kind of the dialectic of it in a in a sense. Right. But they recognize it, man. I'm telling you, they recognize it. Couple more here that I that I wanted to bring up specifically because Okay. Let's do that. They're really important.
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And 1 of them, here's this reciprocal trade agreement tax of, Okay. Constitution says Congress shall have the power to regulate commerce among several states and with the foreign nations. Here, Congress delegated their power, to form these trade, agreements. They transferred that over to the president in this in this reciprocal trade agreements act. And so no longer do we have, congressional treaties governing the commerce, but we have these executive trade agreements. We've had them for years now, ever since 1934. And so here we see today, we're sitting here talking about tariffs and, whether we're gonna put them on China or what we're gonna do. Well, we've been saying this for 50 all my life, and we just keep giving our money away, and we run these great deficits to the billions of dollars a month. Yep. And here's and here and here's the problem.
Another 1 of those damn emergency acts that transferred over congressional power over to the over to the bureaucracy and over to the big corporations, and they're not gonna sit there and do something to hurt their sales.
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No. No. And don't forget, these are the merchants of the earth. Okay? They're masters That's it. At this trade thing. And, basically, you're talking about how Hitler got around them was winning on an economic theory where they basically bartered, and that's when they fired the shot heard around the world when they declared that bankruptcy on Germany. It was really the first shot of World War two in my mind. So, yeah, this is a age old problem. It's they they get control of it, and they totally not only control it, but enrich themselves unbelievably in the process.
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That's right. And we deal and we're dealing with it, tonight, basically. Yep. Or, you know, every day. So it's Right. So it you say, well, does it still exist today? Well, does it or does it? Of course. Yeah. There's no there's no question. None whatsoever.
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And so see that? 1 I was gonna Yeah. No. Go ahead, please. No. No. No. Please. I'll call you back. I was just gonna say While we're talking about this, go ahead and say it. I was just gonna say that's what our deal does is is that here, when you file it's a very simple affidavit. Okay? It's just 1 paragraph was stating that you're national, and the second is you show them in affidavit how how you're getting out of their tax system. So it totally unobligates you to that $37,000,000,000,000 worth of debt, and they can't say a word about it. The whole thing's on fraud. And they this is so derogatory to them because 2 things happen the minute you put it in the mail.
You get your freedom, and they get totally exposed because they can't rebut it. They can't deny it. And that means the only thing they can do is stand mute, and that means they convict themselves. And as this been happening for fourteen and a half years. Okay? And they recognize it. Yep. And debt is debt is not income. No. No. No. No. It just They they struggle with that too. Oh, yeah. Well, we said you know, remember the show me the law IRS guys? Show me the law. They put that big ad in the New York Times $50,000 reward. I'll show I can show you the law and show you how it operates, and that's what's in that affidavit, in the second paragraph. It's, hidden behind the term right at the first of the book down there in the regulations called nonresident alien.
And they turned it right there, nonresident to the residency of the fourteenth amendment. And as a Colorado state citizen, you're alien from the federal government. That's what it is, and they recognize it. K? So, I I'm I'm I don't know if I sent you any of our stuff or not, but I would like to send you just 1 videotape that I think will do the job of explaining what we do, a,
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and how they've done this. Get it. What they've done this? My dad, Daryl Kroger. I don't know if you ever met my dad or not. I But My dad was the leader of of of this movement.
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Is that right?
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Oh, cool. Oh, yes. Cool. For years years.
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I will I'll through Joe or whatever, I don't think I've got your email address, but I get I'm sure I can get it. And I'll drop you that. And what it does at the first, it's so powerful, is it shows you how they've done it. And then I show you what they've done. Okay? And this is what they've done it. Alice in Wonderland. They go in Pavlovianly and take and, puts up opposite definitions of keywords, and they install them in your subconscious mind. Now your subconscious takes over for your conscious. The biblical part of this is James one eight where where it says a double minded man is uncertain in all of his ways. That's what they've done. They've made us double minded. So the remedy k. Is to simply identify those words and go in and change the definition to the real definition, then your subconscious and your conscious are working together. It's totally empowering like god meant you'd be, and it every time you do that with a word, you get a slice of reality back. And that's good.
Okay. So I'll make sure we get you that, that interview because it's 1 of the better ones I've done, I think, over all these years. And, I wanted to also with that mortgage question about, like, extending the thirty year mortgages, the other thing you wanted to get into was Mortmain. And, when we mentioned it today, Mark, Mark is with us tonight, and I said, I've never even heard that word before. Well, that's the root word mortgage. Haven't. You know? That's right. That's the root word of mortgage.
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Yeah. That's, you know, that's mortgage. That's the death pledge.
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Yes. It is. So,
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you know, well, there's no doubt. Well, anyway, I was just, that's 1 of the other things I was gonna bring up here was, executive order number 6814. No. That was not the right 1. Which 1 am I looking at here? I was gonna pull this other 1 up if I can find it. But, anyway, I can tell you what it says. It, it deals with the, all the national national resources. And, here it is. It's executive order number 7065, June the first of 19 30 5. Mhmm. And it created the National Resource Board, which took control of all the public lands that had not been disposed of. Remember in the constitution, it says that congress shall have the power to dispose of the public lands.
Mhmm. Mhmm. Nowhere did it give give them the authority to own public lands. They could have forged magazines, arsenals, and other needful buildings, but they could not go out and own property. Okay? Sure. That was in violation of the Mortmain. The Mortmain is the dead hand laws. And what it says is that corporations aren't creations of God. Corporations are the creations of man's and government. Therefore, because a corporation is not alive, it can't own property. Only the living can own property. So here we sit with this corporation now. And you say, well, does it own land? Only about 70% of the Western land is claims it owns now, doesn't it? Yes. That began in 1935 with the Natural Resources Act when they took control of all the natural resources Mhmm. And then went on and on and on, accumulating all all all the properties they've got.
Yes. And they're in direct violation of the Mortmain. The Mortmain, like I said, is the dead hand law, like the mortgage. That's the death pledge. The amortization, the amortization, to take it out of the mort. You got those words, and and back our ancestors understood that so well. That's the reason we had the laws because they dealt with it not only to the kings for, you know, for centuries, but also then the church. And so if you look it up in the dictionary, it'll say corporations, you know, ecclesiastical or temporal. It makes no difference.
Uh-huh. They're in violation of the fundamental laws of of forever.
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I I've never heard anybody bring this up before. It's really interesting. Are you familiar with an act that they passed about a month? It was in April 0, I think, and it was SR, senate resolution, 92 or one ninety two. I think it's just '92. Are you familiar with that where they stated that they unboxed your property? Think so. Well, if if I Yes. Say that. They stated what? SR SR. I believe it's 92. K? Okay. And and there's a statement there that says that they have taken over all the property in The US, yada yada yada, and that includes we, us, the people too. And they don't state that, but it does. And then at the end of that paragraph, there's this phrase that says, except by operation of law.
Now the reason that catches my eye is because when we instruct people to apply for passports, occasionally, not often, been doing it about ten years occasionally, someone will get a bluff letter is what I call them. Just there's like they're seeing what you know, and they've they're real slick about it. It has different bodies, but every one of them has the same first paragraph. And it says I'm paraphrasing here. It appears by what you've submitted that you are a citizen of The United States. And then it quotes the fourteenth amendment, all persons born, yada yada yada. And and then it goes, this cannot be waived unilaterally, yada yada yada, except by operation of law.
And so the first time I ever saw that years ago, I saw that, and it triggered because that other 1 that I'd seen years ago. And so all we do is contest them and go something to the effect of, is Vatel's law of nations lawful enough for you? Where it says every man has the right of personal political self determination. Or another approach, and this is good. It says the the fourteenth amendment you quote says and subject to the jurisdiction
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thereof. Yeah. Yeah. It does not say
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it does not say are subject to the jurisdiction thereof, and I'm not subject to it. And they always recognize it, and they always get their documents that they were trying to see how much they knew. So that little there's your difference right there is to get it on the lawful side.
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Right. And, you know, so, anyway, that's, you know, most people never even heard or thought about the laws of Mortmain. Our our forefather, Jefferson, wrote about it quite extensively and some of the others. But, but the point being is that, you know, a corporation, it's it's a combination. It's a combination of of money for people with money, pool their money together into a big gang. And Correct. By doing that, they gain advantage. And, then they get special regulations and and, you know, everything. It becomes like me, you know, going up against, an army, with a single shot and and thinking that I can compete with them. Well, you know, I can do that. Well, it's the same same way with the labor unions. They was given the right to unionize so that they could, in some degree, compete against the big combinations of capital.
Well, here we see it. They're all illegal. They're all unconstitutional, and they're unlawful. Well, they all infiltrate the derogation of individual rights. Yes. And they all infiltrate them and turn them against us or use them however they wanna use them against us. Well, they just turn into the bureaucracy. I mean, they're just they just become a part of it, the ruling elites. I mean, Sanders and, you know, you can listen to these politicians, and a lot of them talk about it, but I don't think they know what the hell they're talking about.
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Very few do, if any. That's for sure. Yeah. Very few. Yeah. But now I'm I'm really glad you wanted to talk about this Mortmain thing. I've never even thought into that that that deep, but, boy, it makes perfect sense.
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And Well, go to Blackhawk. Just look it up. Mortmain, m o r t m e I n.
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Oh, I'm just saying about the corporations not being not being but legal persons able to own land. And, man, that's a really valid point. I've never heard anybody bring it up. Absolutely.
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Yeah. I mean, yeah, and that's been a valid point for for centuries and centuries. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. I mean, we're we're talking almost from the from, you know, the very beginning.
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Right. I don't think that, if I remember John right, corporate personhood was granted in a case called Brown versus International Shoe, and it seems to me it was in the
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It's Santa Santa Clara cases, back in California, the ninth circuit, ruled that a corporation, is a person.
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Uh-huh. Well, that's a big part. You know what's coming up is all this discussion on the fourteenth amendment is is gonna get, pretty interesting here if Trump gets in and they start bringing that up, and it's already being brought up in certain circles. And that's where this is right in the wheelhouse. They cannot get rid of birthright citizenship or else they lose the basis of the monetary system. Because those people being born as babies and extended their collateral into attaching it to the bonds remember, bond is the root word of bondage. And so if those people aren't citizens of property, they can't do that with them. They'll never let them take that away.
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No. And they and they can't place them in the mort it's because they're born anyway. That I mean, the you know, once that noise would would would become, you know, widespread, that's a that's a loser.
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Well, let me show you how they're doing that. When they put everybody in initially in hidden under this through this birthright citizenship is the feudal system because that's the only system that you're gonna treat the planet that had that aspect of assigning a political status on where you're born. So whoever got stuck into that in '33, all their generations have been born into the condition. It's but it's a silent contract that runs generationally. But you because it's voluntary, even though it might have been 10 generations ago, you can still volunteer out at any time. That's what this what makes this affidavit so effective in the fact they can't do anything about it. And and those 2 questions, when you turn 18 and you start getting those questions in all your financial and and anything important you do. Are you a citizen of The United States? Are you a resident?
And I remember back when I was younger before I understood this, I was almost scared not to answer yes. And then so they get you to answer yes. You're conditioned to do it, and then you sign something, which means you're agreeing to the contract that you've been born into. So all we're doing is saying, no. We're out of that. We, we we're out of that. We're not what you we've told you we were. It's fraud, and you we're not giving you the consent to govern us. Yeah, Joe.
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Could we please get back to Oh. To my Well and Mortmain.
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Well, I don't I think okay. Jay, you got any more on that? On Mortmain or whatever you want.
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Right on the Morgue Main. Give me give me your thoughts on it, Joe.
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Yeah, buddy. Well,
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like I said you thought a lot about it. I have thought a lot about it, and you gave me a tape a cassette tape on it years and years ago. And we don't know if I can find it. And, I didn't make a good enough study of it when I had the opportunity with that tape. I wish I could find it. But,
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you know Let me do some hunting around. Maybe I can find 1 of the tape someplace or find somebody that's got 1.
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Well, if you could. And, the other thing too that I would might interject here, Jean, is, I never did had, Lisa's phone number or their home phone number. All I had was Ed's, cell number. And, anyway, I hated that I didn't wasn't aware that he passed, but I do know that he had a number of recordings. And, Paul Bener is very good about being able to copy that material and remaster it. And it would sure be nice if you could think of a way that we could get a hold of those for Paul to to remaster and make them available to more people.
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Sure.
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And, you know, it's just like he, he did this for an emergency power video that he did, and he did a really, really nice job on it. And, there that's you've been exposed to a lot of people more than you know, through that being remastered and put on this website. Right. So if we could get some of those tapes and stuff that Eddie had, maybe we could,
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teach them. Lisa's got them, and I'm sure she'll she'll pass them on to us. I'll have to get ahold of her. I'll get your phone number too, and we'll make arrangements to get all that done. That that would be nice, Jean. That because, you know, the work the work that you folks did, move Ed was a tremendous part of that too. He forward.
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Moved it forward a whole bunch, and it's much appreciated. But, you know, I'm not schooled enough in Mark Maine to be able to talk about it, but I've know I've heard you speak on it before, and that's the reason that I brought it up that, I know enough to be dangerous. We talked about I'd love to. Yeah. And and
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and And and more more background. Go ahead, g. But I'm saying that, you know, and it's basically, I mean, you can just just stop and think about it a minute. It it's just common sense. I mean, there is no way that a government created culmination of power, can, cannot be, in violation of the individual rights. I mean, the individual can't compete against that and,
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it never could. But you're talking about, corporations, owning property and being persons. And wasn't there a, Supreme Court ruling that kind of flew in everybody's face here within the last few years?
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Mark, you may remember it. Yeah. It had to do with, funding elections. And so these corporations were wanting to donate big money to various, campaigns, political campaigns. And people were fighting that, and it went up to the Supreme Court. I don't recall the the actual case name, but that's where the the Supreme Court ruled that a corporation is a person.
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Correct. Can give money to political campaign just like they were a person. Right. And and we know that can't you know, obviously, that that can't be right. Well, it can't be because
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a personhood, a corporation lives lives and dies at the behest of person The state. The state. Thank you. The an individual lives or dies by his creator. That's it. And this
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and the the corporation is a I mean, it's a it's a privilege, created by the state. They it doesn't talk. It doesn't walk. It, can't procreate. The the only it's it's a dead entity. And, once he takes a land and put it into that dead entity, well, hell, I mean, that's when the kings and the church and all, you know, at different times in history controlled everything.
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Yep. Back to the feudal system.
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Yep. Yep. Back to the feudal state. Absolutely right.
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Yeah. Well, we're born into it, and it's just disguise. I mean, you can go back to, oh, what was the guy's name that wrote Tragedy and Hope? Bill Clinton's favorite professor at Georgetown. Quigley. Thank you. Quigley. And he you read his book, there's a paragraph or a little bit in there. It says, the world's financial leaders met on a regular basis in secret so that and they formed the financial system of the globe in a feudalist fashion. We can't have a feudal financial system without service.
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That's it. Yep. Especially when it's best on And property. Yep. And property. Well, they are property. Well, they are property. They are. You know? They are part of the property. You're right.
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Yep. And that, you know, it's, it's, Jean, it's so good to talk to you and hear you. I I was, of course, in the early in the movement a couple years when your original thing came out, and it was a smash hit around our circles. But, you know, there just weren't enough people awake back then. I mean, even now, we might not have enough,
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but we got more. Well, that's true. You know? But, you know, you never know. Things change. And, sometimes they change pretty fast, so you never know what the future is gonna bring. You we just don't know yet.
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I I saw Eustace Mullins interview when he was still alive. God bless him. And he said, well, god was merciful on us, and he gave us the Internet. Boy, there'd never been a true a truer statement than that right there.
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That that's it. That's it. Now they they really do have a hard time controlling our communications. Yeah. They can. They do a lot. No. But but it's but it's a tough 1 now. No. It's very difficult.
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Could I ask Joe if anybody's got any questions for doctor Jean here, or if he wants to expand on the main topics anymore? But at least open it up if anybody's got a question for him while we got him.
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I do have a question that I'd like for him to address, and that is how Roosevelt went about stacking the court, which, you know, we've had runs on that here the last couple of years trying to make that happen. Yeah. They're trying to do it again. And that could even happen before the 20th of January, for all of you.
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Roosevelt tried to step to court, but he never could get it done. That he, for two years, they worked, but they never could get enough support to do it. But it didn't matter because, at the end of that two years, a couple of those, Supreme Court justices changed their position, and they turned around and ruled all those things they'd ruled unconstitutional, like the, seizure of the gold, the, American agriculture, you know, the AAA Act, the, National Industrial Recovery Act. They turned around and overturned all of that and and verified it. I think that was in 1930 when they done those.
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Mhmm. Yeah. In other words, the bankers got to them. But they certainly
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absolutely got to him with some money. I mean, it's obvious. So they've tried it 1 other time, and it wasn't successful.
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Are you Hugo Black came up on the show the other day recently. Are are you familiar with his background? He was 1 of those 3 that they stuck on there. I think he was from Tennessee, and he was a a grand dragon of the Ku Klux Klan. And and he was 1 of those 3, and he want his decision that is, I guess, probably the most memorable is lifting Jefferson's statement about the separation of church and state and inserting it into 1 of his opinions. And so now it's gospel when it was totally it came from a different source. You know? All this malarkey that's gone on. Well, you know, it's,
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the way they can turn meetings and words and and, you know, yeah, I mean, it's it's just phenomenal what's happened in the last fifty, seventy years in this country.
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You said about your father. I'd like to ask you, if I could. You said he started the, the the ag movement that y'all are talking about, or did just got what year did he was he involved in this? It must have been the
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Well, he he he's starting in the Yeah. And, so he was, you know, certainly a part of the citizenship deal and, you know, federal citizenship versus state citizenship and the Oh, great. And all of that. And, so but he was also part of the American Ag Movement, you know, which was, you know, just he was just 1 of us. But, he sure did fight this IRS, and they never collected a penny from him either.
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Fantastic. Well, God rest his soul, and I hope he's, smiling down on you, Jean, for all of your contributions, following up on what you started. And, you know, the key to this whole thing that I've been able to find, and I had a pretty sharp other teacher too. It wasn't just John Benson. It's this guy that coached Roger Staubach through Annapolis, years ago, and and he stumbled onto this information with John. And he was the 1 that did all this, that made it happen, really. And, this is what Glenn says. He said, if you don't know that you're dealing with the feudal system, you'll never do anything but shadow box with it. And I've totally found that to be true.
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I I agree.
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And when you do know what it is, this is well, I've I've I've been tricked into volunteering in. I'll just volunteer out. It's my it's my choice. Otherwise, they're open tyrants, and we'll just go on about our lives. And and what it turns out to appear to be is that they're scared to death of this because it totally strips them of their powers and exposes them simultaneously. And so they wouldn't come after anybody even if they could, I don't believe, because they don't want the this whole information in the spotlight anywhere. So we've really kinda got super kryptonite for super parasites, what we call them, because they're really the old Pharisees that Jesus fought. They do the same crap, the same exact way, just with a lot of modern technology and much more sophistication.
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Question. Please. Doctor Jean? Doctor Jean? Yes. Is is there a what what would you think would be the fastest political solution with doing away with the trading of the, enemy act?
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I think it would be a total worldwide collapse. Personally, I think I think that's what we'd have. Oh. I mean, you just eliminate, you know, hell, you just eliminate everything that people, you you know, anymore in the modern day lives off of. Right. How about Babylon, oh Babylon?
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Babylon, oh Babylon, the great has fallen in an hour like that, Mark? I think Yeah. So this I think so. Magnitude.
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And So doctor Judy, you're saying there's not a there's not a a solution for all this licensing? I mean, when I first started with farmers
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I I think that is the solution. You know? Because when I first learned
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I blew my mind when I learned that farmers had to have a permit or a license to raise cotton and to raise peanuts. And I was like, are you kidding me? You're telling me if I had a hundred acres out here, I couldn't go plant some some cotton on it and then go sell it without a permit?
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That's insanity to me. Yeah. It I I know. But, you know, but, I I mean, that was it wasn't just agriculture. I mean, it was, just like any in industries. They had to go get a license to to be able to produce anything.
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Yeah. It's insane. Do.
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So, guys, I don't know. But I think the the only way to cure it is just cure it. Eliminate the system we got, and and we'll start over, good or bad. And, and somehow we'll survive it. Well, with 36,000,000,000,000 with 36,000,000,000,000
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and growing, I I don't know how, you know, far off we're gonna be from that.
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They can sustain the debt. Even if you did pay it, all the money goes away because that is the money. So, if you paid all of the debt off, there'd be absolutely no money, and so we're gonna collapse anyway. So I think, you know, I don't know when or I don't know how, but, at some point, I think this thing will have to go through a major collapse.
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Well, you know, there's there's a real interesting idea being floated. I can't remember the guy's name. I'm not into cryptos anymore of any in at any level. I used to be a couple of years ago. But what he's saying is trumps Trump's favorable favorable to Bitcoin now. You go out, and they get they're the largest holders in the world of Bitcoin's United States government, all the ones they've seized and everything. They go by 25% of the blockchain, and with the Bitcoins that are produced, they start paying off the national debt through the bonds to start paying the bonds off. And, and they liquidate it that way. That's
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looks like that might work. Don't know. Replace the bonds with the Bitcoins. Right? Yeah. Right. Well, that'd be another I mean, that'd be another way of doing it whether we do it through Bitcoins or or whatever, just to pay the damn debt off. You know? Yep. Yep.
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Economist Martin Armstrong said that, if they would you could pay it off in eight years if they would just start issuing US notes. And every time money was owed, then we just send US notes and and then start and start canceling or destroying the federal
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notes. Right. That's right. Federal Reserve notes. You pay it off and then do away with them. And Yeah. In eight years. Well, I I agree. That's that's the only option I can see that we might get out of this thing with some similar to the soft landing. You know, that's all I can think of.
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Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Well, we're gonna see some real interesting immediate future for all of us. If we can get Trump inaugurated on the this whole, drone thing may be a continuity of government's, buildup to where they're gonna try and declare the aliens the enemy and because that shifts automatically to 1 of the army commands, and they take over the whole country out of the out of the NORAD out there where you are, doctor Gene. Yep. That's what they're talking about. So I don't know. Maybe. So just hang on the edge of your seat every day and, be very nimble. Be be very flexible and agile.
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That's all we and, have a few essentials put away if you can. Yes, sir. So Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Alright, guys. Well, anyway, I won't keep any longer. Yeah. So, what we do everybody think about this thing, and then we'll schedule another 1 here in June 0, and just be so. And That'd be fantastic. We'll talk about it again. Kinda see how this thing's progressing after he gets inaugurated.
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Doctor Jean, this is this is Mark in Oklahoma City, and I, got exposed to Dan Medder in in, Ponca City and worked for him for a little bit, back in 1999, and then I went to work for him in 02/1. I watched your, 1994 presentation on the, Emergency Powers Act, and I really wanna thank you for doing that. You did it in such a great fashion. It's easy to understand, and it's mind blowing.
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When you start laying out the law in front of people, it's just really a shock. Yep. So thank you for doing that. Yeah. And it was a shock to me too as we begin to study through it. And once we Oh, yeah. Did hell, we knew what we were we knew what we'd find before we ever went and looked at these laws. Right. And we knew what we were gonna say. And so that pretty well indicated we was on the right track.
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Right. Yeah. That was really good to hear. You. I really appreciated it. I commend you and the whole research team. Joe says a number of them aren't with us anymore, and that's too bad because they may see all of their work product stuff, go through a resurrection of sorts. We I almost insist on all of our new students. Go watch that as part of their early learning experience because you're the bedrock of what we do. What you came out with and show and prove is the bedrock of what I take them to the next step with. And I sure do appreciate everything and and everything you've done for the country, man. And it's a pleasure that you're still with us and that we can have this conversation.
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I'll have to do it again, after the inauguration, and, we'll show we're progressing along and see what new thoughts we have. Okay. Fantastic, Jean. Well, just a pleasure. I can't express it enough. And,
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thank you so much, and it was a pleasure to talk to you again. Hear it right from the the old mouth of the guy that was involved in it. So thank you so much. Guys, and, and let's, go from there. We'll we'll meet it in here in a few days, and we'll see see what's changing if anything. So okay. That'd be alright, buddy. Have a good evening. Okay. You take care of yourself, doctor Gene. Okay?
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K. You got you got too. See you. Okay. Thank you. Take care, doctor Gene. It's been a pleasure.
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Alright, boy. That was a really nice conversation, Joe. Thank you so much for setting that up. You're most welcome.
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0690. Thank you for joining us for the first hour in radiosoapbox.com. Thank you as well. Please go to the matrixdocs.com to join us for the exciting discussion that is sure to follow that important recording. Thank you so much. Back to you, Raj.
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Yeah, man. I'll tell you that listen to it a second time after, being involved in it last night. Got a lot more out of it rather than at the time because you're paying attention to the conversation. But, what a delight and a privilege to have that with a man of such significance in our movement. And that work, if you haven't watched it, it's down in the new student section, the bottom right of the matrixstocks.com. And as we talked about during that, Paul remastered the audio. It was a little rocky over there on, Rumble.
You got it you got it spruced up, wandered over it, and, the it's just such important. It's about two hours, and it literally shows you all the legislation and what they did. And and the importance of it is as most of you realize that have been around here is that's what we build on from that March '33, and all we do is teach you how to go back to get this, Paul. We show them how to get back to March 1933. Okay? Because that's exactly what we do. We just run a little and run around that date right there when everything switched, and we're back where it used to be. And it's just with one one if you wanna do it simple, 1 sentence, 1 piece of paper to 1 guy, and 1 what is it? 70¢ postage stamp and maybe a little extra.
That's all it takes. It's nonconfrontational. They can't say no, and, it's nonthreatening. And you can do it from the, the comfort of your own home and lot line and, be totally free of this. Folks Yep. It's what we have is amazing. Okay? As you look at the big bad thing and all this history and what all they've done and how they've done it and how sinister they've been and what schmucks they are and liars, thieves, murderers, and slavers, and that's all exposed right here.
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Yeah. Actually, Raj
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One sentence, 1 piece of paper to 1 guy. Yeah, Paul.
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Yeah. I think we actually go back to 1861 because 1862
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was when they buried the titles of nobility amendment and when they actually set the stage for doing all of the crap that they did. Well, you know, you just answered a question, and I've never, I've thought about it a few times is when they swept away the old thirteenth, original thirteenth. And that you say was in 1862?
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Yep. Was when they dropped that. They rewrote or they ratified the new thirteenth amendment, 1864 or 05/00, I believe. And the fourteenth amendment was by 1868, and then our fate was, as it were, sealed.
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They've they've done this real slick, and the deeper you get into it, if you're new or how no matter how long you've been around, because as I've said, and I speak from personal experience, this is a process. Your your the minute you think you got it all understood, something will pop up that you didn't even consider from some other direction. And, that's my experience over all these years. And so it's an adventure, in that respect too. So you you got your freedom. You've exposed the bad guys. With the exception of these traffic things, they're not gonna mess with you. And even then, they might not mess with you. Okay? So it's very powerful, and I wish we could share it with everybody. And maybe 1 day, the good Lord will give us that opportunity.
So, Paul, what are your feelings on and and doctor Jean obviously liked it. And, I sent him through Joe, who I'm sure is listening. I sent you Joe this morning that link to, God's trump card. Feel forward it to him because I did not have his email address, and maybe he'll have an opportunity over the holidays to look at that, and he'll have that under his belt. I wasn't trying to take over the show there, but you know how enthusiastic I am about this. And and and I want I just you know, what we've got can enlarge his understanding so much, and I want him to know. You know? And I want him to understand. And, so, hopefully, we'll get to that point. But it was a joy and a privilege, and, I really enjoyed it. Thanks for putting it together, Joe.
So, discussion from the audience? Or, Paul, what what are your thoughts on all that?
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I I think it was amazing. My, my head was swimming, like, basically halfway through. But he was he was laying out all the dates and and all the stepping stones that they had put in place, and it was wow. It's just They were
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you know what? The question I wanted to ask him, and I I thought about it, and I forgot it, was I wanted to ask him if he had you ever read the '31 collective speeches of Louis d McFadden. Because, boy, you wanna talk about that perspective on that time. And that was from '31 to '33 right up to when they killed him. And he was the, chairman of the house bank. The house used to have banking committee, and he was a former banker. He knew exactly what they were doing. It's rife in all those speeches. That is, for people that really wanna do extracurricular activity in your learning approach here, That book, the 30, is is titled the 31 collective speeches of William t McFadden.
I believe we have that on the website digitally, Paul, don't we? Somewhere? Yes, ma'am. Like we have. Uh-huh. Where is it? Do you know that offhand?
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I think that's in the docs folder. Okay. And,
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but I can,
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I stumbled on him real early? I mean, after I'd only been in this a month or or so, and I I acquired that book. And so when I read it, I was real green. And when I have a tendency when I get into things that are over my head like that, instead of stopping every time and trying to research what they're saying because it kinda screws up your continuity, I just read through it, you know, and try and get the overall, concepts and stuff. So there's a lot that went over my head because a lot of it's very technical. But, man, there's some real gems in there that are already you know, the this 1, I didn't find till after the book was published.
Paul, I was going through there, and here's McFadden says, they're erecting a a Machiavellian feudal system. That's right. Out of the mouth of William t McFadden in 1 of those speeches on the house.
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I believe that was Lloyd t McFadden.
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Okay. Isn't that what I said?
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I said Yeah. And you said William. I think it's Lewis.
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Lewis. I think you're right. Okay. Mister Congressman McFadden. And, what a great American that is. As I said, if you wanna do heavy extracurricular stuff and resurrecting and seeing the the modation of these guys and how they do things, boy, that's that's the resource right there.
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When he also says they're floating the idea
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He said they are they're floating the idea that Americans can contract away their constitutional rights. That's the way he phrased it. That's not totally correct. God given is correct. But, anyway, what was your comment, Paul?
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That's quite a collection. It's 541 pages. Ah, hey. And I am dropping the link to that PDF
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right in the chat right now. I can't I I I can't impress the importance of that book if you're really wanting to dig into this and understand. Just right out of the mouth of a guy that knew exactly what they were doing. And it took him 4 times to kill him, and they finally poisoned him, which I'm sure mister Trump is highly conscious of, at a dinner at the Waldorf Astoria in New York City. So, audience, y'all got anything to say about that, interview and what the contents or questions or comments? I'd love to hear your, what what you got on your mind about it.
Is there anybody still listening? Can we drive them all the way? Paul, you got a button undone or something? Something? I would think there'd be some conversation from the audience on that.
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Well, Sketch has his hand up, I believe. Sketch, come on in here. Come on, Sketch.
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Yes. 1 of the cures I was hoping to him to mention that. He did mention it that, you know, that the executive powers need to be, taken away or not taken away, but, the emergency that they declared needs to be abolished, and that would be a a step in Yeah. In curing.
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No. That would be a stomp. That wouldn't be a step. That would be a stomp.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, I did go back yes yesterday and watched, the the, two hour Gene Schroeder video. And it's amazing. Piece of work. Yes. And and when you go back I mean, I could listen to it 40 times and still learn learn, more and more and more. It and it clicks with you. The more you listen to it, the more it clicks with you. And, I wish you would have delved into Mortmain a little bit more, but I think you covered it pretty well. But,
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I still have I really I still I don't know much about Mortmain, and I I wish, somebody would do a little research on it and bring some of that forward. I was aware of the word. I know it's the basis of mortgage, and I understand how amortization and all that, but I didn't realize its ancient origin. And the fact of the the concept behind it is, basically against corporate ownership or state ownership of of of land. So it's very interesting. I'd like to learn more. I know Joe said there were some tapes or something, and they might be trying to acquire them and hear what they had to say about it back then. But it's certainly a topic that we can delve into here. It's got a lot of significance. I mean, you know
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the the Mortmain. So like you said, Mort? Yes. Mort is part of your mortgage, but the Mort is dead. And main is hand, so it's dead hand.
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Yes. And that's tied. That's what a mortgage does to you. Do you understand why? And that was a a real significant question I asked him about. I I'm pretty sure that right in this time and the change is that they extended mortgages to thirty years. Where before, it was like ten years maximum like it is down here, actually in Ecuador. And the payer's the difference. The terms were shorter and the bank held the paper. And so when you're paying your mortgage, you're paying the bank, and it's the savings of the local and that money coming in and all that. And then after the change, what they did evidently is stuck in, discounting.
So now instead of them holding the paper, they sell it to an investor in the secondary market and get cash back and make that exchange. And the investor community gets to reap those incredible benefits from mortgage. I mean, it's just like pure profit, whatever that payment is, at least for the first number of years when you understand how they're structured. And, man, it's it's an amazing little thing. It's kind of 1 of the bedrocks of their control of the of the credit system is the mortgage thing. And I remember we had a, over at Truth Frequency, we had a black guy that called in. I got a bunch of black folks in out of a bunch of blacks who were getting together against taxes in Winston Salem. And we our information got plopped down right into the middle of them, and then it spread throughout their circles. Sorry for the helicopter flying over here.
That's boy, that's unusual. And, anyway, 1 of the guys that it touched was a fellow in Maryland that was a a mortgage broker. And so he he called into the air. Eric Cade was his name. And he called in, and, he I told him what to do. And, anyway, he was saying, well, this is the way I got turned on to this is I'm a mortgage broker. I had a radio program about it there locally, back when the, more, housing industry was much more robust. And, he said I was in a closing attorney's office 1 day talking to a friend of mine who worked there in processing, and what she did was process all the day's mortgages and all of the, promissory notes. And he said, I'm the lady in her office right there, talking with her, and all she's doing is taking the top mortgage, turning it over, and stamping it and and taking putting it in a pile. And she was doing that, and he goes, what are you doing? What's that stamp for deposit only in the Federal Reserve Bank?
So they've got the ultimate deal because they're the ones that are sucking all those payments off of mortgages. You don't even touch the principal till the fifteenth year of the thirty year mortgage. We were talking about it the other day, you know, that wonderful bit of information that, you guys oh, I can't remember our friend's name that brought it to us. But Urbie. Yes. Urbie. Thank you, Joan. That, it it what matters is in the mortgage, who gets to assign excess principal payments? So the rule of thumb and this is where they make their money on the front end of these things, just pure profit for fifteen years. And so but if you can pay let's say you got a thirty year mortgage.
You pay 1 extra payment a year, now you got a fifteen year mortgage. So just 1 extra payment a year drops it in half. So what these guys were doing, and evidently, there were companies that were, helping people do this back or even work for 1 of them. So I knew about it. So in the contracts, it's determined on who gets to select the placement of excess premium payments like that 1 payment a year. That's an excess payment. And so if you get it where you can assign it, then you can say, I'll pay this first month's mortgage, and I'm gonna go in here and I'm gonna do pay this the, the second and third payment off.
And and but all you have to do is pay the interest. You don't have to pay the principal because you haven't gone through it yet. Interest isn't applicable until you've gone through it, the time. So that's brilliant. And, anyway, all that change, they're the big backers. They're taking advantage of all this and this discounting. And, remember, Thomas Jefferson said, no discounting of notes. So he understood this little banking wrinkle all the way back in his time. So that's why that mortgage thing's important, and I guarantee you that's when they changed it.
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So Roger. I Yes, sir. I have a couple more things that I'm, I'm hoping you and Jean can discuss, and that is which was brought up in, the video, not that you did today, but his long two hour one. Yes, ma'am. Yeah. The the the term prize courts. Okay? Because I I here's 1 from article 24. This is a little statement. The word enemy is a technical phrase peculiar to prize courts and depends upon principle of public policy as distinguished from the common law. So Okay.
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And Well, you know what you know? We know what a prize court has to be. A prize court has to be admiralty. What I would guess.
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Yes. Yes. And I also put in the chat, exhibit 65. It says goods taken on land from the public enemy are called booty.
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Yes. That's Marshall. Uh-huh.
[01:18:55] Unknown:
Yeah. And and the distinction between a prize and booty consists of this, that the former has taken on sea and the later on land.
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Yep. That's it. I just hope you Martial laws, well, we've discussed that on here before. Martial law, what they grab is booty. And if they take over when when, when Tecumseh Sherman, went down, marched and burned his way to Savannah, they just took prize. You know? They Right. They'd send a they'd send a forward, advancement of soldiers ahead of the main body, and they'd steal all of the, farmers and plantation owners, goods and go back to feed his army, which is mark you know, the the old thing from Napoleon. Right? An army moves on its stomach. And, that's how he advanced so rapidly. Pries, we're here. I'm kicking your ass. I'm taking your stuff.
Now there's called booty on on the, you know, the Black Beard, when he'd do it over there around The Caribbean, it was called Ryze. I kick your ass. I take whatever I want of your stuff. Oh, okay. So, yeah, I guess there's quartz on it. I don't know too much about it, but I know damn well that we ain't in that because what we experience when they come grab your stuff are self help remedies. And those are directly with process from the Uniform Commercial Code or the law merchants and other label or the Babylonian Merchant Code if you really wanna nail it.
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Okay. Thank you.
[01:20:36] Unknown:
And I well, I just thought I thought that IRS and, when they win, they get the prize. That's that's that's Well well, yeah. But they did not they didn't just approach you and come grab it. They had to go through a whole bunch of process that makes it extra constitutional for them to do that. And you've got plenty of opportunity along the way to cure the deficiency if it's legitimate and you're able. To stop them. Let's do this. To stop them from grabbing your car, emptying out your bank account, going to your employer and garnishing your wages and levy. All all those things are possible to them, but they had to lead up to that with the process.
[01:21:21] Unknown:
Right. Exactly. But the process is so convoluted that as you know when you sat down to sell your house, they took a prize from you. So, you know No. No. No.
[01:21:33] Unknown:
Well, not not really because the I hadn't filed an affidavit yet. And the the, that that money that was owed is on my body, not my house. So because I had not filed an affidavit with the secretary of state, this is interesting though, Sketch, because I had not filed new about this other stuff yet, even though that was all in the possession of the IRS, they came in and and took that 35,000. And then after that, I got a letter from them. It's the last time I've ever been contacted by them. And it said, you only owed us 30,000, but we took an extra 5,000 for taxes we think you'll owe in the future.
Now I I could have gone, but now again, because how do you sue the IRS? What's the, the the prerequisite? The tax has to have already been paid. Well, now they've taken it. So I could have gone back and gone to court and probably gotten that 5,000 back. But you know what? I was so glad to have those blood sucking bastards out of my life, and it felt so good that I just said, you know what? You take your 5,000 in blood money, you sorry thieving bastards. And guess what? Every time because see, I keep my own books and records. Now every time that 1 of you pull yourself out of the tax system or you get revocation of election money back, I'm just getting a little percentage of what they owe me. And I have heavy penalties and interest also, Sketch. So I guarantee you if we got 300000000 people pulling themselves out of the tax system, they wouldn't replay the freaking debt to me for that.
[01:23:26] Unknown:
That's good. That's good. I got 1 last comment, and that is Alright. That that we can't we we can't deal with the courts. It's a political question. That's all I could say. I yield.
[01:23:36] Unknown:
Okay, buddy. Well, thank you, and I hope we can generate some other people. It stimulated maybe on this. And the next time we get with Gene, maybe we could open it up to those who would like to, you know, actually, be involved. I don't know. We haven't had those rule changes yet, but the way we handle it last night was doctor Gene's expression of how he wanted to. And I've been anxious to talk to him since I knew we had a connection over a year ago through thanks to Joe. And, what a privilege and an honor, to help resurrect his work too because as everyone sees, that's some seminal project or, research project.
Alright? I mean, there are nine, ten people involved in that. He happened to be the front guy, but, they did some marvelous work for back in those times. And they gave us a unbelievably solid, irrevocable foundation to do what we do off of. So there you go. Anybody else in in the audience with comments or questions?
[01:24:41] Unknown:
Roger.
[01:24:43] Unknown:
Joan.
[01:24:44] Unknown:
What's the fraud part of mortgage? What makes it a fraud?
[01:24:52] Unknown:
Well, the fact that they didn't loan you any money. It's the whole monetary system is based on this. You know, when you say, well, I'm gonna go to the bank and get $10,000. Right? Do they Right. Do they actually give you $10,000? Well, they do, but you gotta do something first, don't you? You gotta go sign a promissory note. Don't you? Or let's say a car. Let's let's use a car. Okay. Okay? So you get your car. Hey, miss Joan, are you gonna pay for that by cash or you wanna finance it? Well, obviously, you're gonna finance it. So that means contract. That means promissory note. Promissory note out of the Babylonian but this is part of the, they're not on Admiralty law, folks. The whole system floats on this stuff right here. This is merchant law. So they get a contract, Babylonian merchant code. They get you in a contract, and you gotta promise to pay so many months of so much principal and so much interest, and that's the future income stream that's created when you sign it is your promise.
So that's where the money's created. They monetize what they're doing. They're monetizing your collateral. They're assigning a monetary value on whatever you're using as collateral on this promissory note. Well, here's where the itch is. And this is a legitimate place where they do make money out of thin air. It's when that loan is made, only the principal is loaned into circulation. What whatever you promise to pay at all that, the $10,000 is loaned into circulation or whatever the car cost. We're on a different deal. Okay? But the interest compounds on that out of thin air in that bubble of circulation.
Because when they do that, make a loan, the green pieces of paper with dead presidents on them are considered to be, quote, unquote, monetized. So green pieces of paper with dead presidents are only considered, quote, unquote, money after and that's, of course, a misnomer. That's after the process of loaning it into circulation. But the minute it's loaned into circulation, your compound interest starts ticking, doesn't it? The compound interest was never loaned into circulation. You've got to, in essence, play musical chairs with Lisa here who bought a car earlier.
And because you get her payments and she can't make her payments against her car possessed, but you make your payments to get to keep yours, But it's on that money in that pool that's manufactured out of thin air and interest, compound interest, what Einstein said was the eighth wonder of the world. It it's a complex issue, but it goes back to buttress the statement that there is no money. There's only credit. And this credit is your promissory note. I promise to pay. That's the credit. K? And so, they've they've built the whole system off of us being their little slaves. That's and and collateralizing our future income through that bond market. That's the root of all the credit, and that's why what we do is so important. Now it's too bad that we don't know when we do this if they do actually separate you from the commerce thing. They don't have to tell you. And and it probably doesn't, but it's still very symbolic in the fact that we get out of their tax system and don't have to repay their fraudulent debt because the whole thing's based on fraud.
It's based on fraud, Joan, that you they said they were gonna loan you money, and they didn't loan you any money. You loaned them your signature to compound interest on whatever the principal amount of your collateral is. It's I mean, it's really incredible. Now I I don't know. Have y'all heard me tell you that story about when I met Tom Schauff in Chicago, the certified public accountant? Have you I mean, I've told it before. I don't know if any of you have heard it. Back when there you couldn't get this information anywhere in the 1 good source, it's still there, was w w it was before there you know, this was on the Internet and stuff.
He has WWCR, Worldwide Christian Radio out of Nashville, big shortwave outfit. And at night, they would have, different shows on. We had pastor Peters on with scriptures for America. They had Bill Cooper on. They had Tom Valentine representing the Liberty Lobby, on for a couple hours. And then as it went into the wee hours of the night, there'd be other shows there. And there was 1 show 1 night. The guy that ran that show, I believe, is still in high security federal prison, and nobody's ever figured out why. His dad was trying to get him out for years. I don't remember his name. But the they they had a product called Water Oz, I believe. And they were, colloid like colloidal silver. They were doing bronze and copper and gold and other stuff. Well, they had this late night show with cutting edge stuff on it like that, which is still cutting edge all these years later, really.
And, they had a guest on there 1 night. His name was Tom Schoff. I guess, 2 f's. He was out of Chicago. Well, Tom Schoff was a certified public accountant who had qualified himself somehow to do expert forensic testimony in court where these guys really make the big bucks per hour, you know, in these high profile or value cases. And so what Tom realized is there was no school in the country to that could certify accountants to do expert testimony and court testimony. I don't know how he got himself done, but, anyway, that's what you know, the find a niche and fill it, the formula for a successful business. And so that's what he did. He started a school, for CPAs, how to come in and go through some sort of certification course and become certified to hit the high dollar court testimony circuit.
And so while he's given these classes while he's given the classes, 1 of the students who is a bank regulator, a regional bank regulator, compulsive aside and says, every loan in America is a fraud. And he goes, what? Yeah. A regional bank regulator talking to a certified, CPA for court testimony. And he goes, what? He said, let me show you what they're doing, and that's what he showed him. And he told us about it, and he started a company off of it. They had several people that they, took their mortgages to court, and the court handed them the keys to their mortgage and put the case under seal.
K? Which means nobody could see it. So, what that's what they do, Joan. You go and come in. I wanna buy this car. Okay. Finance it. You sign that promissory note. They then bring it back to the financial institution. Here's the trick. And they put it on the liability side of the ledger. But it's not a liability. It's a positive. You've got this paper where these people promise to pay, this amount over this many months. How the can that be a liability? Well, there's the fraud. Okay. It can't. And but then they take the note and as, against what Thomas Jefferson said, no discounting of notes, they discount it into the secondary market at a discount where the investor gets the lion's share of that payout over all those months and the high vig vigorous as they call it, that compound interest. And they give them actual currency, and they bring the currency back and put it on the opposite side of the ledger on the asset side. You know, double entry bookkeeping has liabilities and assets.
They bring it back and put it on the asset side, balancing the books, and they take that and pay your car off with the dealer. So they never loan you money. Every loan is a fraud. And I'm gonna tell you, it's not just The US, it's worldwide. Same scam in all the countries that participate in the Rothschild sphere of central banks. So that's where the rub is on that. Everything they do is a damn scam. Everything.
[01:34:32] Unknown:
So if so if I go in to buy a $10,000 car and get a loan, a $10,000 loan, when I sign, I'm what I'm basically signing is saying, I will pay interest payment for you, bank, to give me this $10,000. And and so but so, they do give me $10,000.
[01:34:59] Unknown:
No. But but you gave them the promissory note first. The promissory note created the 10,000 because it wasn't created until it was loaned into existence. And you signing the promissory note gave them with this little trickery thing the ability to do that. Now get this. Now you've got your let's say it's the car. So now you've got your car, and then you got your nice payment for the next four or five years. Right? They're doing sixty month payments on on automobiles, new automobiles now. That's a five year auto loan. You used to couldn't get 1 over 3. Okay?
So, you get your car, you're driving around, and you feel real spiffy in your new automobile, don't you? Okay? Well, guess what? Guess what? It is depreciating at a very rapid rate, especially the minute you drive it off the lot, but that compound interest is a cure. So you got depreciation on 1 side on your asset, the collateral, and compound interest compounding on it daily on the other side. These guys are slick. They have got 1 slick system going here.
[01:36:14] Unknown:
Okay. But they do give me $10,000
[01:36:17] Unknown:
right away. Well, they do, but they did but don't you get it? Yes. But you create you created it. They didn't. They didn't have it before you gave them that note.
[01:36:28] Unknown:
I I don't understand how I created it.
[01:36:31] Unknown:
Because you signed a piece of paper that said you're gonna pay them for five years so much every month. That's a future income stream, isn't it?
[01:36:41] Unknown:
Yeah.
[01:36:42] Unknown:
Well, that's what you agreed to. That's what how they created the 10,000. They take the promissory note. There is no 10,000 yet. They take the promissory note. They bring it back and put it on the liability, I owe I owe. I owe an asset. Yeah. Do you see the fraud there? How can it be a liability when it's a promise to pay for five years and so much money? This is the fraud. Now they discount it into the secondary market, take a reduced amount, let's say over the five years, it's fifth $55,000. Well, they discount it and they say, alright. Well, give us 40,000 or 35,000, and then you can get the rest of that interest in the payout. And then they take that 35,000 and they bring it back to the bank. First thing they do is they go pay off your dealership with your car. That they didn't have that money before they took the note and discounted it. When they gave them that 35,000, that's when they could create the money and pay off your car.
[01:37:49] Unknown:
Roger,
[01:37:50] Unknown:
may I add to what you said? Oh, yeah. You can you just let me ask her something, Sherry?
[01:37:55] Unknown:
Do do you know Oh, sure. Understand
[01:37:57] Unknown:
now, Joan?
[01:37:59] Unknown:
Is that clear? A lot better. I understand a lot better now.
[01:38:03] Unknown:
Alright. Well, maybe Sherry can help you here. Yes, Sherry. What you got to tell her?
[01:38:09] Unknown:
What you just said, does that not tell people the value of your autograph? It's your autograph on that document, and I I don't think people relate it to that. And the monetary part of it is your autograph.
[01:38:29] Unknown:
Well
[01:38:30] Unknown:
Because without that autograph on the promissory note, it's valueless.
[01:38:36] Unknown:
Nothing nothing has happened if you don't sign it. This goes back to the very first sentence on that book historical jurisprudence on the Babylonian Merchant Code. The first ninety pages, it's over on sovereignt0surf.com. The first ninety pages are on the Babylonian Merchant Code. The very first sentence in a book on historical jurisprudence, on the history of jurisprudence that goes all the way back to Babylon, the very first sentence is this. Babylon's great contribution to the world was they reduced everything in the society down to the abstract form of contract.
Mhmm. Right there. K?
[01:39:23] Unknown:
So Roger. Correct. Roger. But let me just finish with a contract doesn't exist without an autograph. And guard that with your live people. That's right. Your autograph
[01:39:39] Unknown:
is the only thing that you have besides your breath. I yield. I yield. Why do you think they always have you sign something under the 2 questions? I'm a citizen of The United States. I'm a resident. You always sign something. There it is. K? Now let well, I was gonna say in Babylon, because they didn't have jurats, I penalty of perjury, they would have the high priests of the temple would come out and say an incantation, like a notary witnessing your signature, over you signing the contract. And that was supposed to bind you to your oath. And, of course, it was also those high priests that in the early days of markets would set the prices in the markets. And it's those high priests that became the international bankers of today. Yes, Larry.
[01:40:36] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm glad, Sherry brought up the autograph thing. Is there a difference between an autograph and a signature? Because I was viewing the declaration of independence last night, and I was viewing an image not only of that but also of the US constitution and all the men that signed those documents they just signed it like their first name and their last name. I mean there's all these gurus out there saying oh it has to be an autograph or others say, no. You can't call it a sig a signature because that's a sign of nature. I mean, what the heck is all that about? Is there does it even matter? Yeah. I think it's people like the gold fringe flag people.
[01:41:16] Unknown:
They just wanna dig so deep into these things and put these, connect these dots supposedly on things that mean things that probably by your illustration don't have too much meaning. If anybody would have known about all that stuff, it would have been the guys that signed those documents, wouldn't it? Some of them are very scholarly men. I don't Yeah. Exactly. Like John Hancock. It's just John Hancock on the on the Declaration of Independence. I I 1 of my big challenges here is to go into people that have been involved in this for a while and studying and see if I can get as much of that BS out of their mind as I can get. Honestly, My my findings, and you can hear Bruce, Bart, Brent say the same thing, is, I I don't think any of that stuff of, is amounts to a pile of what does he say? Dried out doo doo?
[01:42:18] Unknown:
Right. I heard it explained 1 time that all an all an autograph is is, like, if if you have a movie star, they they have a special way of signing their name, because, you know, you want you want them to sign a picture or something. They're not gonna sign their name the same way if they were signing a document like the an official document or something.
[01:42:41] Unknown:
Don't know. No. I don't know. It's just off again, off in the weeds. I don't it makes does that have any bearing on whether you can be a national through our process or not? It's never come up to my knowledge. And anything that doesn't have a bearing on that, I just tend to disregard.
[01:42:58] Unknown:
Right. You've always said when you sign your affidavit of citizenship evidence, you just sign it just like you would any other document. You just sign your name. You don't have to put all this special,
[01:43:09] Unknown:
you know, dots and components. And stuff. Yeah. No. No. All that is just that's, who's the guy that's that's dead now that used to I couldn't listen to more than ten seconds of his crap. The 1 that was changing all the words and, I can't anyway Oh. There's a lot of people Yeah. David Windmiller. About that 1. He there's a lot of people teaching a whole lot of crap out there. Now the question becomes, Larry, do they know it's crap, or are they just parenting stuff to have a business and be a PA YTrian?
[01:43:50] Unknown:
That's what Yeah. I think it goes back to your little story that you you tell about the way someone baked the cake or something
[01:43:57] Unknown:
or meatloaf or a turkey. Right. Right. Right. Cut the end off the pot roast, and they finally get back to the grandmother. She said, well, we just we didn't have big enough skillet. I had to cut it, cut the end off to get it in the oven. Oh, all these generations have been going because of that, you know? So wacko stuff. Yes. And people are certainly predisposed to act in those types of well, this is the way it was before, and most of that time is good. But we're creatures of habit. No doubt, Larry. Any other comments and stuff? Or What do you think I have a question. Mark well, Mark didn't make it. He wasn't gonna be here today.
[01:44:38] Unknown:
Okay. We're gonna go Well, just listen on the side and take care of business.
[01:44:42] Unknown:
I wanna see what Straumann. I wanna see what Strawman thought of the interview last night. Go ahead, Sherry.
[01:44:51] Unknown:
Well, my question is, isn't the definition of words important?
[01:44:58] Unknown:
Of course.
[01:44:59] Unknown:
Between signature and autograph, and an autograph is distinct, and they are applying their I'm just saying, does that not have relevance to this conversation?
[01:45:11] Unknown:
I don't see any relevance in it, but you you may bring something that gets my attention. I mean, I think there's Okay. So with a different label.
[01:45:22] Unknown:
Okay. But the definition of each is important? They might be somewhat synonymous. The definitions
[01:45:32] Unknown:
are different. Some Sherry, it's something I've never ever in thirty something years ever considered, honestly.
[01:45:39] Unknown:
Right. Well, it brings back to, you know, words have meaning. And, you
[01:45:47] Unknown:
Okay. Well, can you go give us an example of what you're talking about, whether it's positive or negative?
[01:45:56] Unknown:
Well, signature is more of a legal term, and, so your autograph is unique and distinctive to you.
[01:46:08] Unknown:
So You know what? They would teach us when I was at Pitney Bowes and we're selling all that high end equipment and stuff, and they'd say, you never sign a contract. You always okay an agreement. Yes. We're not interested.
[01:46:27] Unknown:
K.
[01:46:28] Unknown:
Mark, what you what you how do you weigh in on this autograph
[01:46:33] Unknown:
v signature? Well, I I was wanting to circle back to the, the the loan and writing of the note real quick for Joan. It's really simple. Think about it this way. The bank doesn't have the additional funds to fund your loan until they take your note that you signed and deposit it with the Federal Reserve Bank. That's it. It's that simple. Now mind you, that went through your, you you know, your signature on that note that you went through a underwriting process. You had to qualify. You had to meet all these conditions before it could be deposited into the Federal Reserve Bank.
So it's not just like willy nilly. You just sign any old document, and we'll you know, we can convert it into, you know, credit. So or currency. But that's how that is. And if you really wanna get a good picture of that, there's a a book that was written by a pastor in Kansas. I think his name was Sheldon Emery or Emery Sheldon. Let me get him turned around. Yeah. And it's called Billions for Bankers, Debts for People. You can go to Amazon if you want the physical copy of that book and download it. Now years ago, I was at a gun show, and I found that. It was a little booklet. It wasn't a big book.
Right. And it had nice, illustrations in it, very simple. And, I mean, you get about halfway through that book, you're like, oh my gosh. This is what the banking system is? Yep. And, that's when I checked out of the banking system was after I read that book. Yeah.
[01:48:10] Unknown:
No more loans. He was, don't you, Mark? Sheldon Emery? No. He was the father of all these identity pastors. He's 1 of the ones that really, really spread the Christian identity message. All of these guys are all students of him. Peters, my pastor, James Brueggemann, the the the the guy, Ted Weiland, all those folks are, disciples, if you will, of Sheldon Emery. His son-in-law Right. Is still Dave Dave. He's up in, Northern Idaho, Coeur D'Alene, I think. Dave Barley. Dave Barley, I believe, is his name, married Sheldon Emery's daughter. Oh, wow.
[01:48:54] Unknown:
So, anyway, did you brought that name up? I had to give kudos to Emery because he did not put a copyright on that book, and all he asked is that you not modify it. Right. If you could make as many copies that you want, just do not change it.
[01:49:09] Unknown:
And the cover, I think, is, the congress with an octopus on the top with all the tentacles going everywhere, is it? No. It's No. It's a it's a banker on 1 side and a farmer on the other. It's like a Okay. Split screen.
[01:49:23] Unknown:
So the banker's all in a nice suit and got money in his hands, and the banker's plowing a field. I mean, the plow another name of the
[01:49:31] Unknown:
book again? Billions for the banker. For bankers.
[01:49:35] Unknown:
That's billions with a b. Billions for bankers. Debts for the people.
[01:49:41] Unknown:
Yeah. Okay. I already have that.
[01:49:43] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Well because the debts vigor get that vigorous generated that whatever it is percent compound interest, the eighth wonder of the world. And that's what they literally survive on. They have a name for it. They call it vigorous.
[01:50:02] Unknown:
Yep. Those who understand it will earn it. Those who do not will pay it.
[01:50:07] Unknown:
Yep. Yep. And literally, you know what interest means? Usury means? Have you heard Brent say that? It means to put a scorpion on your back.
[01:50:16] Unknown:
Oh, wow.
[01:50:18] Unknown:
Ain't that the truth? Yes. It means to marriage.
[01:50:23] Unknown:
Was that Ferris? No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Please. Please. Please don't. No. That's the name that we don't That's the name that we don't That's the name that we don't That's the name that we don't name that we don't I'm sorry. You do know how to I've got a couple of points quick before the end of the show. I've got no. I gotta find out what's straw man. We got a minute. I wanna find out what straw man thought about the interview last night.
[01:50:45] Unknown:
I thought it was really good. There's a lot of parallels of what you've been teaching, and then doctor Schroeder, his research, you can see how that all dovetails together.
[01:50:58] Unknown:
Mhmm.
[01:51:00] Unknown:
It's the the issue with the the, War and Emergencies Power Act Powers Act. Thank you. There's no easy solution to undo that without just, like doctor Schroeder said, wrecking the global economy because it's under such control right now. And, you know, but I think the big thing is if anybody that had the the guts to do it would be doing like what, the economist at Martin Armstrong said. Just start taking the the Federal Reserve notes out of circulation and then replacing them slowly with US notes. And, you know, the last president who started trying to replace that and pay off debt with, US notes was John f Kennedy.
So every time the every time a president's tried to mess with the money system, they got whacked.
[01:52:06] Unknown:
To mess with that debt, you've got to play in the bond market. Now I can see maybe paying off the bond, notes with a US
[01:52:17] Unknown:
note.
[01:52:18] Unknown:
Okay? But I don't think exchanging them will cure it. You gotta pay off those bondholders
[01:52:24] Unknown:
somehow. Now get this. Why can't you pay them off with US notes?
[01:52:28] Unknown:
Well, get this. Is are is most of this all on fraud? All of it. Yes. It is. K. But there's legitimate investors that have purchased those bonds. That's the problem. But there's a thing on a bond called a CUSIP number where they put that on the bond so they can make sure they get the payment to the right bond holder. Yep. So we could go back and trace the bond holder through the CUSIP number. And if it's a legitimate investor, pay their coupon. And if it's 1 held by the Federal Reserve or the Treasury, you you don't pay it. It's fraud. So there's a way to go in and identify that, but that'd take a lot of organization and access to their internal records. And I don't see us getting it pretty soon. Maybe straw man will get it, but I don't know if you and I will. No. AI can do it.
AI could do it. AI probably should. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, that would be a way to punish them by not getting their fraudulent vigorous, but not punishing a legitimate investor like, I don't know, some little housewife in Hoboken. You know?
[01:53:37] Unknown:
Right.
[01:53:38] Unknown:
Alright. All I know is when they talked about signature is a sign of nature. My straw man over here in the quarter is starting to do a little jig. He's getting warmed up. He's ready for the gold French flat. He was No. Clever, and I could There you go. Okay. Roger.
[01:53:54] Unknown:
I got I got 2 points. Alright. No problem first. Points. Is it my turn yet?
[01:53:59] Unknown:
Yes. I said Paul first.
[01:54:01] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you. The AI overview. The main difference between signature and an autograph is the signature is used to certify a document, while an autograph is a personal item. The purpose There you go. A signature is used to the contents of a document and to identify the person who signed it. It's a legal requirement in business and legal settings. An autograph contract. Is a personal item that links someone to a celebrity or historical moment. Mhmm.
[01:54:33] Unknown:
But you can have oral contracts. And, Mark, you know what remember what those are called?
[01:54:41] Unknown:
Oral contract?
[01:54:43] Unknown:
No. I don't. P a r o l e. Parole contracts or oral contracts.
[01:54:50] Unknown:
They're rare. They're they're they're legit. They got a label for them. Well, you see it you see it in law all the time. They talk about oral contracts. You know? Right. So yeah.
[01:55:01] Unknown:
1 more 1 more quick note. I do believe car loans are up to eighty four months now maximum,
[01:55:08] Unknown:
I think. That's, like, seven years?
[01:55:11] Unknown:
Yeah. It's seven years.
[01:55:13] Unknown:
Wow. Whoo. Mhmm. Yep. And, boy, do they get some vigorous on that. And and, also, your car's depreciating the whole time, by the way. Who was trying to say something there a minute ago?
[01:55:27] Unknown:
Was that Samuel? That was me.
[01:55:29] Unknown:
Samuel. Supposedly, the way the story goes, and this really points at intent and prior knowledge. Johnson on the way back from Dallas after he gets sworn in resends Kennedy's Federal Reserve, legislation before he even gets back to Washington. Right. Before he even gets back to Washington. I think I've heard that before too. Yeah. Well, it's all about their power to have this little trick there that I hoped I got across to Joan. And the whole system is 100% fraud, all of it from top to bottom. And I shouldn't have to tell you fraud vitiates any contract, which means it negates it, ab initio, which means from the beginning.
So that's another reason they have to recognize what we submit to them, or they don't have to. They can be open tyrants, but they pretty well know their their outcome should they take that path.
[01:56:47] Unknown:
It's like Thank you, Roger. Thank you, Mark. Yeah. You're welcome. Thank you, Roger. Thank you, Mark. Yeah. You're welcome now. Thank you. Thank you. You're welcome.
[01:56:57] Unknown:
You got any other questions, Johnny?
[01:56:59] Unknown:
Thank you. Thank you, Scott. Hooray for Sheldon.
[01:57:03] Unknown:
Hooray for Sheldon. Hey. All of this all of this is based on a signature slash autograph. Nothing is done without that.
[01:57:13] Unknown:
No. That's right. You gotta commit to something. As I said, that book reduced everything down to a form of contract. We can't have a contract that's unsigned that's valid. There's no such thing. Mhmm. K? So,
[01:57:29] Unknown:
why don't you have a parole
[01:57:31] Unknown:
and verbal contract. Yep. But Yep.
[01:57:35] Unknown:
But I and I don't know And your word is your bond. Yeah. That kind of thing, which is too bad the country doesn't run on that principle anymore. Parts of it do, but very small. So, anybody else got anything we're gonna hear? We got a couple of minutes left here. So no other additional thoughts.
[01:57:55] Unknown:
You gotcha? I just
[01:57:57] Unknown:
Okay. Hold on. Let me get Bruce, Joan. He hadn't spoken yet. Yes, sir. What'd you think, Bruce, of the, doctor Gene interview?
[01:58:06] Unknown:
Well, I got part of it. It was, skeletal skeleton in the beginning. Y'all were walking over each other. And I think patients need to come into play here, you know, in any way, basically. When you sign that okay. When you sign that document signature, that is your energy represented on that document. When an attorney has to do any initial, thing on that document, they will put on b y colon in their initial. That means anything above what they initial, they're not responsible for.
[01:58:50] Unknown:
Okay. Well, I've never heard that before, but okay. B y and colon, have you ever heard that, Mark?
[01:58:57] Unknown:
Well, no. Not like that. Not in that in that context.
[01:59:02] Unknown:
I know when you make a change, you and the other person both have to initial a change. If it's some minor modification, you just scratch out a word or whatever you do need to do, put the new word in, and both of you have to initial it. I know that they do that that that way. So anyway well, thank you, Bruce. Joan, you had something else?
[01:59:26] Unknown:
Well, tell me if this is right about a mortgage or a loan. Okay. So I signed the paper, the contract, whatever, and then they and then I start and then, the money comes from the the interest that I pay or that I'm going to pay goes to these bondholders. So they just get that free money. Joan. And then Not Joan. They
[01:59:55] Unknown:
No. John, I don't know that you're signing a promissory note, not a bond, first of all. And you create the money hold on. Hold on. You create the money. Yours you've got them separate. You create the money when you sign the promissory note. You started the process. You promised to pay that much money over that much time, and that's what starts the whole process that ends up with the green pieces of president, dead presidents circulating. If you need to, we'll go back over it on Saturday. Okay? It's very simple. Just need to get your arms around it. It's very simple. It's the basis of the entire world.
This is how they created the illusionary world we're in. It's under the color of law that you are free and that debt is money. Those 2 stupid things have created this illusion we live in. Yes.
[02:00:57] Unknown:
You can get a free copy of Billions.
[02:01:01] Unknown:
I think I was first. This is Larry. All notes get securitized. Car loans, credit card debt, it all gets securitized. And if anyone wants to learn about that, they could look it up. There's a number of I YouTube videos on the subject.
[02:01:16] Unknown:
I in most credit card debt unsecured unsecuritized,
[02:01:20] Unknown:
they can't come back to that. Used for investment purposes as derivatives, securitized as a derivative.
[02:01:28] Unknown:
Okay. Okay. Got you. Got you. Put into that.
[02:01:31] Unknown:
Yep. And that That's that's that's a more new real complicated.
[02:01:36] Unknown:
Yeah. Millions for bankers, debts for people, all over the Internet.
[02:01:41] Unknown:
There you go. And that's a good book to read. I'm I read it years ago. The main reason for this symptom is to make the inflation that it creates palatable to the individual. Well, it's like when they say we had 3% interest last year. What they're really saying is the purchasing power in your Federal Reserve low note lost 3% last year. Reserve low note lost 3% last year. That's what that's what it is. Yep. It's it's a it's a brilliant system. I mean, it's literally brilliant. They put together and, a bit tedious to unravel and understand. But, Joan, we will do our best to make sure that you understand this. Okay?
[02:02:28] Unknown:
Thank you, Roger.
[02:02:29] Unknown:
Alright. Hey, Roger. I'd like to address Yeah. Go ahead, Mark. Funny comment about everybody stepping on our you know, over on each other's toes. Yeah. We we have a communicate I'm talking about a technical communication issue, and I don't know how we're gonna solve it because we've got people joining by Zoom. We got people joining by free conference call. And depending upon well, we got people who call in using an old speakerphone. And so there's these delays, and we step on each other's toes. And it's it's just kind of a mess, and we're gonna have to figure out a way to work around that now. Gotcha. We're at we're we're back to where we were six months ago, Paul.
[02:03:14] Unknown:
No. Actually You're you're I think you're delays that are not our fault and that we have no control over. The different legs of the Internet, will transmit data at a different speed. So Yep. When it's voice over Internet protocol, that will add a delay to the speech, and that's something we have no control over. Even if everybody was on free conference call, even if everyone was on the same platform, there would still be those delays present. It's just the nature of the beast. So, there is only literally a quarter second delay between Zoom and free conference call the way it's configured. As long as the Internet keeps its cookies, we're all good.
So I think we do. We've got we've got people using smartphones out in the middle of a cornfield. We've got people up in Alaska. We've got people, on dial up. We got, the voice over IP conversion from their their telephone going through wires, going to a server somewhere, and then coming down.
[02:04:18] Unknown:
Yeah. It's not digital.
[02:04:21] Unknown:
Well Dude, it's something that keeps me awake at night. Yes. And when we have people like Sherry that come in, just say may I or or or comment or however you wanna enter. Yes. But let me say before I turn it over to you, Sherry, that just remember, it's it's wonderful that we can have this for practically nothing per month and have the reach and what we've got here to freely cover and have uncensored communications about these incredibly important things we discussed. Yes, Sherry.
[02:04:54] Unknown:
I was just gonna say that and I agree, Roger. Consideration. And I think there is quite a bit more than a fair amount here. It's not very often people step on each other and don't yield the floor.
[02:05:12] Unknown:
Uh-huh. I thought they were referring to the interview from last night, and I was guilty of of interrupting Gene just because I I've seen his thing. I understand his whole deal, and our stuff has such an impactful new, perspective for him. Like, when I explained to him, no. No. The the the income tax goes to those bondholders. That's the key link to their whole fraudulent system right there. That's why IRS is so big and bad to keep you cowering in the corner and filing that ten forty.
[02:05:46] Unknown:
Gotcha.
[02:05:47] Unknown:
Joan.
[02:05:49] Unknown:
I'm just glad that 2 or 3 people have brought up the stepping on each other because I've been wanting to say it for a long time and, especially with, Dean Schroeder and you, Roger. Every word that you said and last night on the recording and that you played this morning, every word was valuable to me, and every word that Jean Schroeder and Joe said and Mark and the recording was valuable to me. And but when somebody doesn't let somebody finish their sentence Their thought. And then and they and they talk on top, they start answering before the person finishes, then Yeah. Then I did then then I didn't get to hear your word or their word. And so Well, sometimes
[02:06:34] Unknown:
that, much much of the time, that's all that delay, and it's something we can't do much about. Now I was just over exuberant last night myself. And Yeah. When those things came up, I wanted to interject those things, and I'm guilty of it. I I said that. Joe straightened me out a couple of times last night, but it's as you folks know, I'm enthusiastic about this. And I see it. I just want everybody to understand it. And Jean and his potential circle of influence, I want him to understand it. He'd been working on it most of his adult life. So, anyway, that's, I apologize. We'll do better.
[02:07:14] Unknown:
I I think a really good way to do it is, just because you said, hey, Roger, doesn't mean you can immediately go into whatever spiel you wanted to say. Right. Yeah. You have to wait until you're acknowledged.
[02:07:30] Unknown:
Yeah. And and that seems to work if I'm having a conversation with Mark and somebody says, hey, Roger. I'll say, okay. Hold on. We'll finish what we're talking about, and then we'll go to whoever that was. And I I think I'm pretty efficient at that. I recognize your voices mostly and can get you stacked up, I guess, like an air traffic control guy with all those planes circling around and identify which 1 was in what order. Well, I do pretty good, I think.
[02:07:58] Unknown:
Right. Well, if I may, the problems, usually happen when somebody says comment, and then they immediately blow in with their comment. Yeah. Okay. I'll try that. The other person is still talking. They don't give you an opportunity to actually, take people in order, you know, in order of appearance and all that. It's you just gotta be a little patient, folks. I know that you're excited. I know that that that you have valuable things to add to the program, and you're just chomping at the bit to do it, but
[02:08:32] Unknown:
just take a breath. We got we got them we gotta follow this protocol to maintain some order, and we do pretty good, I think. Yeah. Okay. Anybody else got anything to say? Anybody else got any questions for me? You're sketch. Yes, sir.
[02:08:47] Unknown:
I just wanted to say that, it's helpful if you say you're done or I yield.
[02:08:53] Unknown:
That way, everybody knows. Yeah. But it True. Thank you. Gonna take
[02:08:58] Unknown:
Yep. It's gonna take a lot of time if we all have to do that, but I that might help. I don't know. I yield. No. You could just say yield. And have a blessed day, Roger.
[02:09:08] Unknown:
Thank you, sir. I'm gonna go hustle up some lunch somewhere. It's gone from really pretty and sunny to cloudy, so, as it usually does. That's my bitch with this time of year on the show is it it when it's in the other time of the year, it's over at twelve, and I can get out and get a little bit of daylight and pretty morning. So, anyway, I'll get I'll make it through it, and I I trust everybody will be alright. We've got, Brent tomorrow, of course, and we'll see what registers with him. Yeah. I know he's chomping at the bit to have to have a conversation with Gene Schroeder. We got a lot in common.
So, anybody else got anything? Alright. Mark, you said you couldn't make it today. You must have been able to come in on the tail end. Glad you did.
[02:10:00] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:10:01] Unknown:
Alright. Well, I will, see y'all. Have a great afternoon, and we'll see you, in twenty two short hours or less. Ciao. Thanks.
[02:10:12] Unknown:
Thank you. Hey, Roger. Thank you for being an air traffic controller with no pay. I appreciate you.
[02:10:19] Unknown:
Exactly. And that's it for the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales on eurofolkradio.com and radio.globalvoiceradio.net. Thank you so much for joining us. For more information on the topics discussed or valuable links to Eurofolk Radio, Global Voice Radio, and, more information about what we talk about and what we do, go to the matrixdocs.com. That is the matrixdocs.com. Thank you so much for joining us. We're out of here until tomorrow when Brent Allen Winters will be with us and with Roger on the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales. Bye now.
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[02:11:11] Unknown:
Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.
Introduction and Platforms
Conversation with Dr. Gene Schroeder
War and Emergency Powers Act
The Banking System and National Debt
Bureaucracy and Government Control
Trade Agreements and Economic Control
Mortmain and Corporate Ownership
Feudal System and Birthright Citizenship
Licensing and Agricultural Control
Listener Questions and Discussion
Prize Courts and Martial Law
The Fraud in Loans and Mortgages
Potential Solutions and Economic Collapse
Closing Remarks and Reflections
