On this Halloween edition of Radio Ranch (October 31), I sit down with longtime Friday co‑host Brent Allen Winters to range widely across history, law, faith, and culture. We reflect on lessons Brent learned from Brig. Gen. Benton Parton, stages of subversion, and why civic peace hinges on personal responsibility and discernment. From coal‑field union wars and the Shelton/Birger gang feuds to the role of elders and juries in church and civil life, Brent sketches the enduring tension between the “law of the land” (common law) and the “law of the city” (civil/imperial law). We also discuss his upcoming Declaration of ’76 and trust‑law courses, his Winterized Bible translation, and how trust principles illuminate the covenantal shape of Scripture. In the second hour we explore the life and influence of John MacArthur, the dispensational stream that shaped him (via Charles Lee Feinberg, Biola, and Dallas Theological Seminary), and the megachurch era—taking what is useful while disagreeing charitably. Along the way we touch Roy Rogers, Billy Sunday, J. Vernon McGee, Josh McDowell, Anne of Green Gables, Mark Twain’s essay on the Jews, and why true manhood means exercising lawful discernment. If you’re curious about common‑law roots, covenantal trusts, and how to live wisely amid modern upheaval, this one’s for you.
- 'Common Lawyer (Brent Allen Winters) — Courses, Winterized Bible, Excellence of the Common Law': https://commonlawyer.com
- 'Declaration of 1776 (U.S.) — Foundational document referenced in course discussion': https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration
- 'Magna Carta (1215) — Text and background': https://www.bl.uk/magna-carta
- 'Biola University' : https://www.biola.edu
- 'Dallas Theological Seminary' : https://www.dts.edu
- 'Johns Hopkins University — Department of Near Eastern Studies (Albright historical connection)' : https://neareast.jhu.edu
- 'Through the Bible with Dr. J. Vernon McGee' : https://www.ttb.org
- 'Josh McDowell Ministry' : https://www.josh.org
- 'Project Gutenberg — Anne of Green Gables (L. M. Montgomery)' : https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/45
- 'National Archives — Charters of Freedom (for U.S. founding context)' : https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs
- 'Illinois State Historical Society — Charlie Birger (context on the Williamson/Franklin County gang era)' : https://www.historyillinois.org
- 'Peabody Energy (historical background on coal discussed)' : https://www.peabodyenergy.com
- 'Church of the Open Door (Los Angeles/Glendora) — historical connection via R. A. Torrey' : https://www.churchoftheopendoor.com
- 'National Park Service — Green Gables Heritage Place (Anne of Green Gables context)' : https://www.pc.gc.ca/en/lhn-nhs/pe/greengables
- 'U.S. National Archives — SNAP (context for federal benefits mentioned)' : https://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/supplemental-nutrition-assistance-program
- 'Global Voice Radio Network (program platform mentioned)' : https://radio.globalvoiceradio.net
- 'Radio Soapbox (platform mentioned)' : https://radiosoapbox.com
- 'Euro Folk Radio (platform mentioned)' : https://eurofolkradio.com
- 'The Matrix Docs (community site mentioned)' : https://thematrixdocs.com
- Rumble (platform mentioned) http://rumble.globalvoiceradio.net
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[00:02:19] Unknown:
That's too, Alvin. Gonna take another shot at it here on Halloween. The devil's day, the devil's night, October 31, Radio Ranch, name of our get together. And I am cohosted today with mister Brent Winters, and he and I have been doing this Friday thing for a lot of years. I don't remember if we ever hit a Halloween before. I can't remember, or not, but we sure hit one this year.
[00:02:45] Unknown:
Oh, we've talked about it, but I don't remember when, but I know that we just talk about whatever comes to mind. I don't think there's much that we haven't talked about, frankly. Yeah. I agree with that. We've covered a lot of ground in, what, twelve, thirteen years, however long it's been. Yeah. And if we didn't know anything about it, we just make it up as we went. You know?
[00:03:05] Unknown:
Please. We got some we got some new people here. I mentioned to Brent what I talked about yesterday that today is really, at least in my mind and my perspective, from the knowledge I've been able to infuse and knowledge of my enemy. I had a very unique experience. I wasn't the only one, but I was schooled to a degree by a wonderful American named, brigadier general Benton Parton. You remember his name and him, Brent?
[00:03:33] Unknown:
Yes. But I don't know anything about him. You you really? You don't? No. Well, he's worth memorizing
[00:03:40] Unknown:
memorializing a bit here. I was a great American. I had the rare opportunity of being able to spend one on one time with him because we brought him my deceased, buddy, David Strait. We he had made his own wealth, and David was a great patriot. And he fee, we we saw him up in, DC at one at a big thing in DC, and he had become popularized with the Oklahoma City bombing. And the reason he had, received that attention was because he's considered was considered at that time the expert's expert in The US on on munitions. And, he had, started a whole new been given and started a whole new section of the air force called the weapons systems division and was tapped at that time with projecting 50 into the future and deciding and determining what weapons we would be needing.
And so he said, well, at first, he said, I got a Quonset hut. That's all he gave me. And Uh-huh. Gave me this mission. And so he said, the first thing I figured out is I better start learning who we probably be fighting fifty years from now. The communist were the big enemy, and he started researching communism and became an expert on it. And, in in one of those areas he was investigating, he kept seeing we looked it up the other day. Paul found it, actually. He was talking about the first meeting of the communist international in 1919 in Zurich Basel. I believe they meet in Basel. They still meet every ten years to this day.
And at that very first meeting, they proposed a plan of how to approach countries they wanted to take over. It was a four step plan. And then they met again in 1929 in Basel again, and they ok'd it. And as general Barton told me and the audience when he was giving this talk, he said they followed that plan in every country they've taken over since they okayed it in 1929. So it's, you know, something one of their weaknesses again is somewhat their predictability if you can figure them out. There's an a pretty good example. And so, I don't remember the first two somewhat like, Yuri Brezhnikov's conversation with Edward Griffin, you may remember. I'm sure you saw that. Uh-huh. The stages of takeover. Well, the third stage, I was called the period of escalating violence.
And that I, I think that's what we've been in since they kidnapped the government with Biden. And, and that's the reason for all the Soros DAs where they turn all the vicious, heinous criminals out next day, no bail or low bail, All that stuff. And you can see it when you've got that perspective, you can see it happening right in front of you. Not now, but just for years. Well, that third stage was was the jumping over to taking over the country in the fourth stage and then using that country as a base to take over adjacent countries.
[00:06:58] Unknown:
Uh-huh.
[00:06:58] Unknown:
So we're the last ones left pretty much, and we've been in this period of escalating violence. You can clearly identify it as that. There is a caveat. Before they move from stage three to stage four, they had to do two things. They had to get the guns and they had to get rid of the death penalty. So their little minions like these, migrants could go out and indiscriminately murder and harm and do heinous things and not have to face the death penalty. Uh-huh. They haven't been able to do that. Either one of them, really. They're still trying though, but we're getting to a point where they've they've showed their cards so much and they're it's at such a detriment and behind the eight ball from all of their little, agendas being exposed, that I think they've decided to go ahead and pull the string and go to the fourth, and that this that's what we're in right now. Well, that brings us to today.
Mhmm. October 31. Now you know about the government shutdown.
[00:08:02] Unknown:
Oh, it I hear people talk about it, but isn't it obvious that nobody cares and it doesn't affect anybody?
[00:08:09] Unknown:
Well, not well, that's not so obvious as we get through today. It's been that way pretty much up to today. Yeah. But after today, if they don't belly up to the bar and get an agreement, now we stop 42,000,000 SNAP card food stamp recipients from getting food. And many of them live on that. That's tomorrow. Yeah. Well, and next if we don't get this straightened out by Monday or Tuesday, a lot of them are gonna be hungry and angry, and they're already talking about going in robbing all the stores and everything. So that's today, and we've got this day to see whether are the Democrats gonna belly up to the bar and say we've been, you know, politicking with you?
Are they gonna continue to not shut this thing down and just let it over? Yeah. That's the point of today. It's very important. Uh-huh. Oh, I see. So,
[00:09:06] Unknown:
well, it's obvious that, as I said before, I'm not concerned about any of it. What they want, of course, is violence. That's the tradition of the law of the city. There's nothing complicated about it. Mhmm. Revolution and violence is their method. It's their only method. Coup, assassination, revolution means those things and violence. The law of the land says, no. We don't tolerate that. And the law of the land therefore includes, of course, the right, the responsibility, that's what a right is, not, plain and simple, to defend yourself and your property. So everybody, that, has property ought to be armed. And when they come to destroy it, you can, defend your property and your life and your family and your neighbors. If you want to give a handout to somebody, you can do that too. But it hasn't been like we haven't been through this before. I remember going down at the dump when I was a kid before they had, in the towns around where I lived, they didn't have trash pickup. People just took their stuff out in the country and threw it in a holler somewhere. And they we had those hollers all over, and there's one down, we lived on the top of the hill on the north side of the little river there. There were hollers down from our hill toward the bottom, and there was a place there where people would come and throw their trash. Of course, it was always filled with rats, and you could go rat fish in there, we called it, with a a fit a casting rod, put cheese on it, and cast your rod out in there, and you could catch rats.
That was a great sport for boys, by the way, including us. But we go down there one time, my brother and I, we like to look for things. We found a pile of records down there. They were from the nineteen thirties. No. The records back then were thicker. You know? Yes. They were. Oh, Oh, yeah. And there were those seventy sixes, but it had the songs on it. And we took it back, and we had a record player you could crank up and play. Uh-huh. So we put the record on there and worth the needles on those things. It used to be really heavy. Boy.
And, we played it, and I remember there was a song on there that was a spoof using a religious tune, an old hymn. But, I learned the words because my brother and I had played it over and over and laugh. And it said, the name of the song was Bum Bum. And the lyrics went, I went to a house, and I asked for some bread. And the lady said, bum bum, the baker is dead. Hallelujah, I'm a bum. Hallelujah, bum again. Hallelujah, give me a handout, and I'll be your friend. It was about all the hobos who were traveling around during the depression looking for a handout. It ain't like we haven't been through this stupidity before, and it's all orchestrated by the banksters. We know that now. And if you don't know it, go read up on it. It's not like we have time to look everything up, but on the Internet, we know a lot more than we used to. And that was all orchestrated, and people didn't have any trouble with it. And we also remember the song Long Lost John, by Merle. Who's the guy that wrote 16 tons? These are popular songs.
The ugliest fellow that I ever seen was long lost John from Bowling Green. No hat on his head. No shoes on his feet. He's begging the women for his bread and his meat. One woman said, Johnny, what you what can you eat? He said, 49 biscuits and a ham of meat. And the song goes on about this hobo named long lost John. Well, that was common. We've been through this before. You just keep your your weapons handy, and you help people. I knew a fellow down where I was from. He was old then, but I heard stories about him. But when when the the, when he had a coal mine down there, and he was a Presbyterian, I remember. And he was a very wealthy man. And he lived in this town where I work, but he's gone now. But when he was young, he owned the the biggest coal mine in that part of the world. And and, he had a he ran a soup kitchen and a kitchen of all they they not just soup, but he all sorts of things. And the people of color down there that didn't have jobs, and there were hundreds of them, and white folk too, would come and line up at the back of his house, and he he had enough money. He hired, women to feed them.
[00:13:26] Unknown:
And he said What's his name, Peabody?
[00:13:29] Unknown:
Well, it was it had to do with Peabody, but his name wasn't Peabody. But Peabody was there. And what Peabody did, or Peabody was a kid that lived in Chicago back in the late eighteen hundreds, and he delivered he had a little job as a boy, had a cart cart, an old broken down horse, and he delivered coal to households. Mhmm. And he made money. Then as he got older, he said, well, Shucks, I can get a bigger wagon. And he got a bigger wagon and a team of horses, and he delivered coal to some businesses and homes. And then he said, well, Shucks, if I if I can if I owned a coal mine, I wouldn't be paying these middlemen to get me my coal, and I could sell it even cheaper. And so he got looking around buying, a coal mine, a a strip mine in Southern Illinois or Southern Indiana. He ended up buying one in Southern Illinois, and he he then eliminated the middleman. And then he went across the river down in Kentucky, and he of course, you've heard the stories of Muhlenberg County.
And, mister Peabody's mister coal train. Mister Peabody's coal train hauled away Muhlenberg County, they said down there. Peabody was a fellow that came from nothing, and he'd eliminated the middle man. And he he kept buying up coal mines, and he, of course, got and then he was producing coal for the steel mills in Hammond, Indiana, and Chicago, Illinois, and Cleveland, and other places. Well, but mister Peabody was a man that, was willing to help people, and he did and fed people. But that this wasn't Peabody. But he had the that that at that time, Peabody had moved on into Western Kentucky across the river from, Southern Illinois and Indiana.
And, he had had, he was making making his coal down there. Well, this fellow was in, Southern Illinois, and the big mine down there was the Zigler Mine in Franklin County. It was huge. And this fella had that mine. He sold it to a a Jewish fella named Zigler. Well, the here's the difference. So this fella was feeding the the the the starving people and giving them jobs, and, he was, he was an attribute to the community. Ziegler bought a mine later, and I don't remember how that happened, but he mounted machine guns at the mine head, four of them going in four different directions so that the men couldn't, if they they were trying to organize in unions, he mounted machine guns, and and he gunned men down and got away with it, by the way.
But it didn't that, we're resisting his will. He wasn't paying them anything. Now this is just the facts of history. You can go read about it, mister Ziegler. And then he brought scabs in. And I'm not for the the coal mining unions that put near they've destroyed coal mining, and a lot of the things happened. But at that time, he you know, if if a man that one fellow I was talking about I don't remember his name, but he was a staunch Christian and of the Presbyterian ilk. But he took care of the men that worked for him. But this fella came in and didn't.
Mhmm. That's the difference. And so the unionization began under John Lewis. John Lewis started right there. Right there. Really? Yeah. John Lewis's unionization movement started right there in Southern Illinois, and then he moved of course, organized. He moved over into, Western Kentucky, then up into Southern Indiana, and then on across Kentucky into the East Kentucky coal fields. And that's how John Lewis organized the coal mine, but it began there because of the abuses there. And, they were all they brought in that guy brought in China Chinaman from California to work in his mine, and they were eventually they were all gunned down. The violence got so out of hand in that particular coal field that there was another well, there was a gang there called the Shelton gang.
And there was five brothers. They they moved over from Kentucky, and they had a mother, and everybody called her Ma, Ma Shelton. And she set up her operation with her five boys there in Wayne County. And they they in the coal fields, they controlled all the liquor and the prostitution. Of course, those fellows in the coal mines always had a paycheck, and if they could somebody get their hands on the money, they get wealthy. Well, the Shelton brothers did. And the Shelton brothers, though, had a fellow working for him who was a immigrant from Russia. And his name was Charlie Berger, and he was a Jewish fella.
Charlie Berger. You can go look this up. Just type it in the Internet. You'll be amazed what you find. Well, Charlie worked for the Shelton gang. They controlled everything from Southern Illinois, cleaned up to Peoria. And the boys from Chicago, which been the the Capone's gang, they wanted control of the whole Midwest, as you know. What people don't know is Capone had a brother. See, they're from New York. Mhmm. He had a brother that worked at a stable on the North End Of Long Island, and that was that was out in the country. They had a lot of dairy farms. I've known people that worked on dairy farms on Long Island.
Well, his brother got to working in the stable, and he just that is Al Capone's brother. He decided he wanted to be a cowboy. He was all enamored with the West and the stories and, you know, all the radio shows and. So he went out, Kansas and, went to work as a cowhand. And then he became a gunslinging sheriff in a place not outside of Kansas City, I think it was. Maybe Nebraska, somewhere over there. So his bro here his brother was, organized Italian gangster in Chicago, who, of course, had nothing to do with the mafia because he he wasn't of that ilk. He was too low on the economic scale. You know? But his brother, his it's a fascinating story to read about his brother. His brother was he arrested he he he went to work as a revenuer for the feds.
What? And he was he was good at it. And, boy, him and this other fella teamed up, and they shut down more illegal liquor stills in Kansas City area and around while his brother, of course, was running liquor. And they they did some things together, but Capone wanted to control everything clear down to Kansas City and Saint Louis, and so he moved into Peoria. And, the Shelton brothers, they had, extended it up to Peoria. That's up on the Illinois River. And they said that you couldn't spit on the sidewalk in Peoria without getting permission from Maus Shelton way down at the other end of the state. Well, Capone wanted that business, so he said the the way to get it is to drive down to Wayne County and clean the Shelton boys' house. So he loaded up with his tommy guns and he shot guns in 12 gauges, and they went down to Wayne County. But what they didn't know, the Shelton boys loaded up with their Tommy guns and and, shot guns, and they drove up to Peoria and cleaned out Capone's boys, and they did.
And when Capone got to Wayne County, nobody was there. Oh, he didn't know what to do and didn't know anybody down in Hickville, so he went back up north. And then the Shelton boys had control of everything from Peoria clear to Cairo down in their neck of the woods. But Charlie Berger worked for them. Well, Charlie, he was a young immigrant from Russia that had joined The US, cavalry cavalry, not the cavalry, but the cavalry, and had served out west someplace in the Dakotas or someplace. Well, he got out, went to work for the Shelton boys, and then he ended up breaking off and becoming their competitor.
And he was pretty effective, and he bought a half track from Army Surplus. And he had a an airplane, and him and the Shelton's went to war. And on he had a and that's a true story. He he Charlie Berger and his airplane was the first instance of aerial bombing in the world. Really? Yeah. He had one of those old Jenny biplanes. Uh-huh. And he had a man in it. He had bombs on racks, you know, like they did in World War one. That's the way they started in World War one. But and they were bombing each other. He had that half track, and and the sheriff he had the sheriff in his pocket. Of course, Whoever could pay the sheriff the most in the in Williamson County down there, well, then, he would support them. Well, it got so bad down there that the people in Williamson County and and in that other county, I'm trying to think of the name of it, down there.
Well, any rate, they appealed to the governor for help because they were the they had no there were just a lot of murders going on. The Shelton's and the burgers Burger Gang were killing each other at such a horrendous rate. And he said, look. You got sheriffs down there. You know, talk to them. Well, that wasn't possible. Well, eventually, what happened was Charlie Berger was hung. He was the last man hung in Illinois as far as I know. He was hung at, at trucks in Franklin County at the courthouse, and the scaffold is still there. And just recently, I read no. I talked to somebody that was telling me from down there.
They said that that rope that Charlie was hung with you know, he was hung in 1928 or something, but his family sued Franklin County for the rope. They said that's our rope. And Franklin County said, no. Charlie didn't provide his own rope, which was the custom. You know? You provide your own rope for your own hanging if you want. But Charlie's last words on the scaffold were, they they brought a rabbi, Roger. They they they shipped a rabbi in. There wasn't any around there. They shipped one in from, Saint Louis and, asked him if he had anything to say. He said no. And he looked down at everybody looking up at him, and he said, he was a nasty man. I mean, he murdered people just of old people, elderly people.
You can't imagine the egregiousness of his crimes. But he looked down at everybody looking up at him, and he said, they asked him if they want a rabbi to pray, of course, and he I don't know whether he did or not. I don't remember that part. He said, goodbye, boys. Be good. He looked around, the birds were chirping, and he said, it's a beautiful day. And then the somebody said, where do you want us to bury you, Charlie? He said, I want you to bury me in a Catholic cemetery in Saint Louis, or as they say around there, Saint Louis. They said, why, Charlie?
You're a Jew. He said, because I know that the devil will never look for a Jew in a Roman Catholic cemetery. That was his that was his last words.
[00:25:06] Unknown:
I got off the subject. What were we talking about? I was talk I was talking about Colman. Yeah. Yeah. I was just mentioning this communist thing and the pivotal part of today, the way I see it and understand it. And,
[00:25:17] Unknown:
then you've launched off as you're apt to do on one of these great stories. Well, it had to do though with, the coal mines and the unionization under John Lewis, and it all started right there in Franklin County. And, the when I was well, I'm gonna go off on other things. But getting back to the point, I'm not worried, Roger, about what's gonna happen. The government doesn't control things in this country. And if people are armed, there won't be any problem, and they're supposed to be. Well And they are. They are. And you you've you've, from your start, you'd come out of her. You were born out of her, but, of course, the Bible tells us to come out of her. And Yeah. If you're living in one of those big cities that's potentially so volatile
[00:25:58] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm certainly sorry for you. And I don't know how long you've known about all these things, but if you've known a while about it and you haven't gotten out yet, shame on you.
[00:26:09] Unknown:
Yeah. It it it's good to get out. I I wanted to mention today, Roger, so many things come up. And my friend that encouraged me to we talked on the phone. He listened. He encouraged me to go through the declaration of 76. We started to here, but I said, no. That's not working the way I want, but we're going to teach a course on it. And so I want folk to go and sign up for that course. And in doing so, you'll help miss Francine, of course. And, we need, we need support, but sign up for it and and appreciation of a donation. And, we're gonna go through the declaration of seventy six six clause by clause and blow by blow. That's never done, but I've I've done it before, and I've written a book on it. But this time, I wanna make it more official and get it in the can, audio and visual. So come and take the course.
It's beginning maybe in a week or two. Go to the website commonlawyer.com, and you can find the course. But what I had purposed in my mind, Roger, if you're okay with the idea, we'll agree on it. I wanna talk about a fellow that passed away not too long ago that had has had a quiet but overwhelming influence in America and not to mention the rest of the world, and that was John MacArthur. Okay. The good, the bad, the good, the bad, and the ugly, if if that's a good idea. But, John and it's not that I was a personal friend to John MacArthur. I wasn't. But I was acquainted with him.
I was acquainted with his father, Jack. And I never knew his granddad, but his granddad, I know about. He was a Canadian. They were Canadian transplants. They moved from Canada. His grandfather, by the way, was, close associate with the Poet Laureate of Canada who wrote the book. I think she is the one that wrote it. Anne of Green Gables. Anne of Green Gables. She was a, I think, an Irish orphan girl that became very famous in Habakkuk over a hundred years ago in Canada. And she was orphaned, raised by a family that took her in back when orphans were coming from Ireland at such a tremendous rate. Nobody knew knew what to do with them, so they started farming them out to people on farms throughout North America, to work. They were abused, a lot of them, but some of them, a lot of them, at least they had a place to they had surrogate parents and and food, and some of them were treated very well. Some of them some of them weren't. But in any case, they avoided death and living on the streets. That's true.
And she was one of those girls that was, as they call him, Johnny Mac. That's what people used to call him. And I'd known him when he was just around forty forty years old is when I first met the man, John MacArthur. And, I followed him after that because he was catapulted into into the public light, or he catapulted himself and others helped him is what happened. And because I had known him, been around him, not good friends, I stressed, just acquainted, I couldn't help but follow what he was doing all his life. And I also knew, two other men that were classmates of his when he was in seminary, and that was, Josh McDowell.
Josh was from Michigan. And, I knew Josh, but I knew I know I should say I was acquainted with Josh and on friendly terms. Whether or not he would remember me, I don't know. I'm not famous, but he was, and so I remember him. And then the other fellow that I did know very well, more than acquaintance, another classmate of John MacArthur's, Johnny Mac, was, Donald MacDougall. And Donald MacDougall was a Canadian or, rather as he was from Scotland, but he spent a lot of time in Canada then married a girl from Oklahoma. And he became professor of New Testament Greek and and Indo European languages, later in his life. I think he's still around. Well, McDowell and McDougall are still around, but MacArthur is is gone. He passed away a couple of months ago.
Well, to to put the I suppose to not hide the ball, I remember I was with Donald McDougall when MacArthur was asked to be president of the college he became president of when we got the news. And, McDougall, McDougall, and MacArthur, and McDowell were all about fifteen years older than I was. In other words, when I was in my mid twenties, they were about 40. And, when I was in my mid twenties, McDowell was one of my professors. And, that was in Southern California, by the way. And, so people knew what was going on in the Christian academic community. And and Mac MacDougall said to me, he said, I can't imagine.
Now what's Johnny Mac gonna do? When you've reached the top at a young age and what of what you can do, there's nothing left. That was a astute observation, by the way. And I believe it's important in life that you don't get there too quick if you do get there. I do believe that. I think it's probably true too. I I don't think you appreciated in your younger age what you've achieved. Absolutely. Absolutely. I think that McDougall I did know another fellow that went to school and knew Johnny Mac. And, well, I'll talk about him later. Maybe he was a fascinating personality.
But I'm talking about Newman in the early days, but, McDougal made that comment, and I the rest of my life, I saw that. You You know, when you're 40, you're pretty young. And now looking back, I understand that. When I was 40, I didn't understand that. But looking back, I say, wow. A man can't know too much at age 40 compared to what he's gonna know when he reached 70, 80, and 90. You know? But or 60. Like s Lewis Johnson said, there'll be a law in this country against writing books before you're page 60. It will eliminate eliminate a lot of trouble in the world. I I know that's not possible, but I get his point. You know, he said it with tongue in cheek.
We don't wanna be led by people that are our children or too young. And that's one of the policies of our common law tradition, by the way. We, life is so so short. You know what? Common law, nobody was allowed to be a judge unless they were at least 45 years old, and for good reason. And 45 is still pretty young. Of course, you put a man on the bench like somebody appointed to the appellate court or the Supreme Court if a president or a governor wants to appoint somebody to a court. And at common law, it's a lifetime appointment for very important reasons. But you don't wanna appoint some guy that won't be there too long. You wanna appoint a guy that will have some influence. You know? And if he's got any sense at all, 40, 45, there have been some younger. Justice Story was about 32, I think, when he was appointed to the US Supreme Court. That's really young.
I don't care how sharp you are. I don't it makes no difference. There's just there are the most important things in life come with time. Yes. Period. Not logic. Not logic. Yep. How dangerous that is. But, but Johnny Mac, by the time he was 40, he'd he was worldwide famous. He was the president or the and became the chancellor of a university and, had started a a well known seminary. But what I observed, to study another man's life, just observe it. Who's ahead of you in years, about fifteen years in this case, has been a great help to me to and other men too. Not just him, but, McDougal, McDowell. There are a couple others. I watched them all. They were ahead of me. I was watching.
And, Johnny Mac, by the time let's go back again if I may. How did it all start? You know, Johnny Mac's father, was a Baptist. Johnny Mac was a Baptist. He didn't take the Baptist label, but that's what he was. Now his grandfather and his and his great grandfather were Presbyterians for obvious reasons, obvious ethnic reasons. But what Johnny Mac became as time went along, he was a Presbyterian. He was a Baptist, raised a Baptist, had was from a long line of Presbyterians. And then, he he put off the Baptist label but remained a Baptist. We were talking last week about how he, tried to justify the drinking of wine and tried to prove from history that the wine in the Bible was cut with water 20 to one.
Well, that's that's silly talk. But why did he do that? Because at heart, he was a Baptist. You know, there are two people in in what we call Christendom. There are two people no. Two groups, denominations that suffer from drunkenness more than any others. Two groups. And this was research that I'd done forty years ago, and maybe things have changed now. But forty years ago, this was the research that, this is what the research revealed to me. The two groups that are have suffered from alcoholism more than any other are the Roman Catholics and the Baptist.
Now I know there are different ilks of Baptist and the Romanist. But, of course, the Romanist, they they think, drinking is a sport. They're like John Wayne. No. Drinking's just a sport. Let's have fun. The Baptist, of course, they're teetotalers teetotalers. Well, what happens in that case? Well, they become drunk, so that's what happens. Not everybody, obviously, and I'm I'm not criticizing them. I'm I'm trying to be objective about it. I'm just reading the statistics on and draw my own conclusions. You know, you heard the story about the the Baptist, the the the the the truths that are unknown of the Baptist and the truths that are unknown are mysteries.
That that that the the truths that here's what I should say. The truths that the Romanist does not recognize and the truth that the Baptist does not recognize. The Romanist does not recognize the sovereignty of God in its absolute form. That's one of the things that he doesn't recognize. He doesn't recognize baptism by immersion. No. He didn't recognize that. He doesn't recognize, the absolute court of last resort in the Bible. No. He he recognized the pope, but he doesn't recognize the Bible that way. Well, then what is it that the Baptist doesn't recognize? The Baptist does not recognize another Baptist when he sees him in a liquor store.
That's the joke. Who's the least what what religion is the least likely to be an alcoholic, bro? I didn't look that one up. But here's what I was gonna say about that. I'm glad you mentioned it. I'd lost my way, and I'm driving at a point that I sometimes forget. But the point is that the Bible gives the proper view of liquor, not the Baptist, man made stuff about 20 to one, not John MacArthur, or the Roman Catholic that has oh, listen. I don't know. I've been in Roman Catholic farming villages where they've settled in America. And, you know, a little village of 500 people have seven or eight taverns. So who we kidding? These folk like to drink. Well, that they're in their religion, they're not again. But the Bible says this. We talked about it last week. The Bible says be not drunk with wine, drunk is the point, but be filled with the spirit.
We'd mentioned last time that Paul said to his protege, Timothy, he said, you're having trouble with your gastric system. Take a little wine for your stomach. Wine has medicinal purposes, always has had. Cleaning wounds, alcohol, it's what it is. Well but this drunkenness business, you're not to be filled with wine. You're to be allow the spirit of God who's in your body and in your organs and your your your members as it as it were. Allow it to have absolute freedom in your body. He's in there. The spirit of God is in there. He lives in there, the Bible says, but don't crowd him by being drunk. That's confusing. Well, that's the and when you read the Bible, you know to know some there's a difference between knowing about the Bible and knowing the Bible.
There are a lot of men that know about the Bible and know more than me. You know? I've met them. But those same men, some of them, don't know the bible. There's a difference between knowing about your wife and knowing your wife. When you get married to her, for been married fifteen, twenty years, and you're behind closed doors, you get to know her, and she gets to know you. But before you got married, you probably you might have known a lot about her. Oh, man. She's good looking. Oh, her hair, that that hair attracts me. Her eyes attract me. Whatever you know. She got nice legs. You know, whatever. She dresses nice. She likes to take a bath every day. Well, that's good stuff to know, but that's not knowing her. And the same thing is true of God himself.
And the only way to know God himself is to know his will, not know about it. Know it. And the only way to know it is to bury your brain in the Bible till your blood is bibbling And keep it there because you have a tendency to forget. And if you're not having a persistent intake of God's sentences, the records of his thought, you'll know him, less to the degree you don't do that. And that's why the Bible is given for that very reason. That's what we have. We don't know him. I had a guy tell me not long ago, a good friend, said, man, I don't read the Bible that much, but I have a rich prayer life. I said, I like you. With all due respect, that's impossible.
That is utterly impossible to have a rich prayer life without knowing something of the word of God and being hungry. Who you're praying to? Well, I don't know. But not on but prayer prayer fun that's a good point, Roger. Prayer is fundamentally swapping your your wishes for God's will, and that's what the word prayer in the New Testament means. It means to swap. And you can't know God's will unless you know his law. That's what his law is. The will of the sovereign, the will of the sovereign are his law. And that's the Bible. That's the record of what God likes, what he doesn't like, and the consequences thereof one way or the other. That's what it is. Cover to cover and lid to lid. God is not willing, said the Bible, says the Bible.
That's him his will, that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. That's what he desires. All of the the gospel itself is the will of God. Salvation by grace and not the work of the law is the will of God. Everything, the way things are and they ain't gonna change, that's the Bible. Well, coming back to Johnny Mac. Did Johnny Mac have that point of view? Well, his father, Jack, who's gone now, of course, too, he was, the first television preacher in Southern California, Los Angeles. He lived out in Eagle Rock, which is between Glendale and the San Fernando Valley, which is right near Burbank and North Hollywood.
And a very influential man because he was on television and he wrote every word of every sermon he presented. In other words, he had developed a skill, and he didn't want to say something that was wrong. He wrote it all down, wrote it out. By the way, Johnny Mac did that too. Johnny Mac, he never made a made a presentation in the pulpit that he wasn't reading from what he had written. And if you can develop the art, and politicians do it, of having your speech in front of you and lifting your head up and looking down and lifting up, you watch Johnny Mac talk. You'll watch him do that because he was careful. And there's nothing wrong with this, by the way, to never say anything that he had written. And he knew if he had written it like his father did, that he would that he would think it through better because what passes through Lid becomes a whole lot clearer in the head. It makes you think, friends.
That's that's the advantage, I think, of messaging and email that we have now. We think a little more, hopefully, before we write things down. But coming back to Johnny Macca and his father, Jack, Jack's influence was far and wide. And this all touches our lives in different ways. One of my, heroes growing up was Roy Rogers as a boy. I I didn't call him my hero. He's just somebody that I knew about. He was on the radio, and then he was on the television. And then while he was on the television, his show remained a radio show for quite a while. I was familiar with him both ways.
Well, Roy Rogers was converted to Christianity as a friend of Jack MacArthur. That's where he went to church, where where Jack preached. And Dale, of course. Dale had been married four or five times by that time, or some three or four, I don't know, quite a few. Before he married Roy, she was caught up in that whole Hollywood thing from way back in the nineteen thirties and and in that horrid lifestyle. Well, both of them were converted to Christianity. Roy Rogers was a hardcore Mason and a state of Mason, by the way. And, Jack MacArthur, or Jack's father, but Johnny Mac's grandpa was a Mason up in Canada. Whether or not his father was, I don't know.
I've heard Johnny Mac preach, in detail against Masonry. I don't know what the connection there was exactly. But I'm glad he preached what he did. If there's can be anything said about Johnny Mac that and I say this with all due respect. And by the way, Johnny Mac, when he'd get to talking about people that he thought were wrong, he he didn't withhold he didn't withhold himself to say so. He preached whole sermons on other people like Schuler of the Crystal Cathedral and, Joel Ophstein. He's a personality people know now. Many others. And if anybody went astray, that he thought they went astray, he went after them.
I don't wanna do that here. I don't think that's the I don't for me, I don't wanna do that. I I think I can point out where I disagree and, especially since a man's dead and gone. You know? Somebody said McGee said one time I heard him talking. He said, you know, a jackass kicked a lion once. A jackass kicked a lion once, but the lion was dead. So I don't wanna kick a dead man is what I'm saying. I don't know that that's exactly the best thing to do. And any jackass can kick down a barn, of course. I've I've seen jackasses try to do that. That doesn't mean they can build one.
So what Johnny Mac had a wide influence, but he wasn't alone. He had a group of people behind him that would make it happen and did make it happen. You know, if you if you support the nation Israel and you're a dispensationalist and you support, and just to put it in general, the Jews, if you're willing to say that Jesus Christ was a Jew, you'll probably be unmolested and your influence will grow if you're a public man like he was. Johnny Mac's grandpa wrote a book called a booklet. It wasn't a big book, but a booklet called With the Jew.
God is not through with the Jew. And Johnny Mac took the same position. And his dispensationalism, I I'm not opposed to that part of it. Well, what I disagree with, I say this, just for what it's worth, my studied opinion. I don't see anywhere a one wit of evidence that the people that claim to be Israel are Israel. We've talked about this before. In other words, is there an Israel out there, bodily blood descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob? Yes. Without question, there is. The Bible says there is. Well, who are they? But where do we look to discover who they are? Where is the evidence where anybody can say that I or this other fellow am now I can find plenty of people that say they're defend they're descendants of Jewish people. What does that mean? That means people that are votaries of Babylonian Judaism.
I can find that. But there's quite something else to say, I'm a blood descendant of so and so. You know? Is there any evidence that is reliable? Well, Johnny Max, never addressed I never heard him address that question. Just saying, well, you're Jewish then. Yeah. You're a descent. You follow Babylonian Judaism. You go to synagogue. Well, that means you're a descendant of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. That's pretty thin.
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is. Yeah. I that's just a matter of fact, that's just downright silly, which is the English word, by the way. I like to use English words if I remember to. Silly is the English word for the Latin word absurd. Absurd. People don't like silly. They think it sounds extreme. It isn't. Absurdity means it's just senseless. I don't see any sense in it. Is there an Israel out there? Well, yes. There has to be. The Bible says there is. Is God through with Israel? No. He's not. The Bible's pretty clear the way I read it. I can see it. The blood descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, God's not through with. Well, so is the Johnny Mac's grandpa's book correct? Yeah. Johnny Mac's grandpa's book correct. But who are they? Now let's get to that point. So Johnny Mac, young boy growing up as a fundamentalist Baptist, His dad wanted him to mount something, of course.
And so sent him off to college at Bob Jones Bob Jones in South Carolina, at that time, Bastian of the Neo Confederacy. Mhmm. If your skin was the wrong color, you couldn't go to school there up and through the nineteen eighties. Bob Jones, the old man, then Bob Jones the second, they both said, no. This is a white man's school, and white men are in charge white men are in charge here. That was the Southern Baptist. Well, he wasn't Southern Baptist, but that was when the the Baptist in the South broke off, that was their position. There are two races of men, and we don't mix. Well, Johnny Johnny Mac, his dad, wanted to send him to school there, hardcore Baptist school.
Well, he was in a gospel quartet and, wanted to do what he wanted to do. And what he wanted to do more than anything else was be a professional baseball player or professional football player. Well, he wasn't big enough to be a professional football player, and he did try it when he came back out to California. He went to school at Azusa, but I don't think he ever got anywhere with it. Then he wanted to be a professional baseball player. By the way, folk, if you live in a an urbane world, and that's what Johnny Mac is, he's an urbane man. You live in an urbane world, it's there's a good chance that manhood will be defined according to sports.
And that's a poor definition of manhood, by the way. Mhmm. Very poor. Matter of fact, it's an effeminate definition. I don't care how tough these guys are. That's just silly. Again, there's that word, silly. That's absurd. That's not manhood. Manhood is not an urban idea. And but if you're in that environment, that's all you got. How do you prove your manhood? You see, manhood and the history of all of Adam's race, men, the male of the species, have had to have and have always had, an entry point into manhood. The female of the species has never had that. What they've had, of course, traditionally, though, in the Western world, a coming out, they call it. I had a friend.
I think I told you about him. He used to do a lot of cases with him. He was, his great grandfather was Abraham Lincoln's secretary of war.
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Stanton?
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Stanton. Yeah. And his name this guy's name was Lewis Stanton. He's named after your great granddad. And by the way, the family, hated that man because they saw what a scoundrel he was. He was a very sophisticated but brutal man. That's what he was. Brutal. Beyond beyond anything that's Christian. Well, any rate, but his other granddad was sec assistant secretary of the Navy back in the nineteen twenties. So his he was a German immigrant, by the way, on the other side of the family. And he, being like the German people, they're pretty pretty good with engineering, and he started a shipyard down in New Orleans.
And, he became assistant secretary of the Navy. Well, his daughter, my friend's mother, when she was a young woman I'd never heard of this, but he showed me the newspaper article where and you might know the name of this. It's where the young woman has a coming out, and they were in the influential society down there. And it's a French custom, though I understand it, Roger, that when you're a young woman, you have a big celebration, a young woman, where she comes out into the open as a woman. Spanish also.
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Yeah. We have it. It's called c c c c c c, It's called, Cumpleanos. Yeah. Quince. Quince Cumpleanos.
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That's fifteenth birthday. And this? You would not believe
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how the mother or the parents of that daughter save and put on a to do for that event.
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Well, that's what this was for in the French form of it. It's a Roman church doctrine. The French form down there, but it's part of the culture. And, the girl, though here's the point of the girl doesn't have to prove herself. She just gets to be 15, and she blossoms like a flower. But the men aren't that way. No place in the world have they been that way. No men get to a certain age. They gotta prove themselves. It's just not a matter of coming out in a blossom. No. You gotta do something manly and show that you got what it takes. See? And so if you're in an urban world, you can do that through sports.
Mhmm. In the old days, we were a member if a boy who reaches a certain age is a member of the militia, he has to muster and show his medal, prove his medal. There are other ways that men do it. In the gangs, in the urbane sense, in the streets, you gotta join a gang. You gotta commit an act of violence. That's the perversion of it. See? But by the way, that's why the militia is is so important in our common law tradition that is that needs to be, of course, revitalized. That men have to have that, friends. It's not a matter of, oh, it's a good idea if they do it. No. No. No. They got to, or they'll turn into little queer boys. That's the way it works. I
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think with this MS thirteen bunch, and they just captured the leader, the the guy that started it the other day up in Chicago. He's headed back to El Salvador. But their, and and some of their machismo rituals, if you will, are the take
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murder somebody publicly with a machete and cut their extremities off. I mean, that kind of thing. Yeah. This is the non Christian they're driven to it. You you're not gonna take men and say they're not gonna do this. They're gonna do it. They're gonna find a way to prove their manhood to their homies. That's what's gonna happen because God wired men that way. But if there's not the Christian balance of it, the biblical point of view on it, then it's gonna go into perversion, not only for the men, but for the women when they have their coming out. That's what's gonna happen. And it is
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yeah. Can you wanna thumbnail that right now? Because you're about five minutes away from the top of the hour. I know Paul likes to have you come in. We're gonna lose some stations, I think, at the top of the hour, some platforms. Thank you. If you'd give, give give the audience away a little bit about you and your website, please, Brent, and we can pick up the thumbnail on the other side.
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Thank you much. This is Brent. Brent Allen Winters. Commonlawyer.com. Www.commonlawyer.com. And this is, of course, common lawyer comments here with Roger Sales on Roger Sales Radio Ranch. And we're talking about, as always, trying to stress, and we'll continue to try to stress, the distinction between the law of the land, our common law tradition, a Christian tradition, and the law of the city, the civil law tradition, the urbane tradition. The law of the land versus the law of the city. This spells the history of mankind. There are no other points of view, by the way. There are only two possibilities, and you're either tending toward the one or toward the other. Nations, the same way, tending toward the one or toward the other. Go to commonlawyer.com.
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But I try to deliver up the Bible raw just the way it delivered to me, and there is a difference. There are only a few translations that attempt that. All translations have a have a a main purpose. Most of them, of course, want to sell volumes and not not again that. King James that way. New American Standard's that way. New International version is that way. They've all been that way. But there are those few that have tried to be more raw. I don't use the word literal. That's that becomes meaningless. It's a hackneyed word at this point, but raw. And the Bible's a raw book because it tells the raw truth, the way things are, and they aren't gonna change the will of the sovereign, God himself.
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We want our we're we're British too, and we want our common law tradition. A right to keep and bear arms. You're saying we can't do that either. That's part of our common law tradition. The right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures. You're using the writs of assistance. We're gonna that's all our declaration of 76. You want to understand our common law tradition. That's got to be the best textbook on the subject if it's unpacked. We've have courses on Magna Carta, clause by clause, and blow by blow. You can take those courses. Now we're doing this declaration of 76, and that's the way you learn your common law tradition, our common law tradition. Well, you need to you need to add that you do it with somebody else. You just aren't winging it here. You got a pretty good Good. Able assistant.
Yeah. Able assistance that puts the boots on the ground and puts the rubber to the road. Sheriff Darleaf Sheriff Darleaf of Barre County, Michigan has been my ever present co presenter in these courses, and that makes all the difference in the world. It's one thing to have a lawyer be teaching and tell you what the books say. It's quite another to have the influence of a of a man that set his boots on the ground for over twenty years as sheriff. He's seen everything as you can imagine. Isn't he the longest serving sheriff in the country? Didn't I hear you say that a few weeks ago? I I'm gonna look. I don't know. I know he served as long as anybody else. Of course, they keep having him back. That that's a good sign.
And he is interested
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in the common law, has been all of his life. Yeah. We had him on the show one day. We got conjured him up, and y'all called him, and he came on for a while. Really nice guy.
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He sees the importance, and he's measured in the way he does it. You know, how do you approach this subject without being a rabble rouser and trying to kick down the barn? And he knows how to do that. As sheriff, he has learned. He's got to get along with folk, and he does. And and but he understands the difference between our law of the land and the law of the city.
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And, by the way .com. The hierarchy of Michigan is not too fond of him.
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Oh, no. They they've, tried to get him. They've tried to indict him with a federal grand jury. They're they're they're breaking they're breaking themselves on the law, though. They can't break the law, they like to say, but they are breaking themselves on it. It's getting worse. And he he how do you do that? See, he there have been a lot of fellows in the Trump administration go gone and been thrown in federal prison, and there have been people like me. I've been thrown in a couple of times. But how and that's because I was learning how to navigate. It's a brutal world out there. You can't just do, hey. Well, I'll just do what the law said. No. It doesn't work that way.
You gotta be wise about how you go about resisting. That's what I'm saying. How do you do that? Well, you do what Jesus Christ tells you to do. That's what you do. Well, commonlawyer.com. Back back to commonlawyer.com. Thank you, Roger.
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Yeah, Brent. Guys.
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I the new new people do not know what a natural resource Brent is and how pleased I and the rest of our family are here to have you on a regular basis. Join us, Brent, and pontificate on some of these things. Paul is chomping at the bit. What you got, buddy?
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We actually don't have any platforms that we're dropping off of, but we did not mention them at the beginning of the show, so I'm gonna do that real quickly now. Eurofolkradio.com is brought to us by pastor Eli James, and we thank him very much for that. Tuesday through Friday, we're on radiosoapbox.com and Paul English of Paul English live fame and radiosoapbox.com. And he brings us that platform. We're also on Global Voice Radio Network. That is radio.globalvoiceradio.net. And that is also where you will find a list of, previous programs and the archives and transcripts and everything else.
Our website is thematrixstacks.com. If you're on Rumble right now, you can see that in the upper right hand corner of Roger's picture there in the upper left corner of the screen. The matrixdocs.com, where you can find the links to free conference calls so you can join us live on the show. Another announcement, today is the last day to go to commonlawyer.com, click the donate button, and send in your $30 for the trust class that will be starting this coming week. Yeah. This is, I'm I mean, I had 70 peep 70 some odd people express interest in it, but, we don't have near that many people that have actually pulled the trigger and gotten on there to pay for it. And I want everybody to be able to start the program with everybody else at the beginning. So,
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and just for new people that might not understand, Brent's specialty is trust, by the way. We've got our our paralegal, Mark. He he he's, did a trust class, and, they were concerned that some of the people couldn't afford it that might wanna utilize this vehicle. It's a wonderful vehicle. And so, I'm not sure what the price is you've got it down to, Paul, but you can learn about trust and do a point where you can write your own.
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It's $30. Partially.
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Pardon me. Go ahead, Paul. $30. I wanted to just give you an example. We had a gal, Robbie, one of our regulars, and I don't know, a year and a half ago or so, she wrote me an email. I was like, could you have Brent Preece point us toward an attorney who would, could write a trust? And we posed that to Brent and he came back and said, well, you need to learn about trust because you're gonna go out and pay an attorney 22,000 or more. And if you don't understand, trust her, you're putting putting all your goodies in there. So you better understand how they operate and what he's writing for you. And, so that's where a lot of this, started. And, so that's what we're doing is putting everybody together in a trust you out class. I believe Mark's gonna be involved too.
And, but Brent's gonna teach it, and you can write your own trust. And then at least if you go pay somebody to do it, you'll know what they're doing with your goodies. So, that's the reason for this, and it's come to a head here. We've talked about it for a while. And today's the last day, Paul says. So go to commonlawyer.com and go to the donate button there. And and what else how do you follow-up on that, Paul? You go to commonlawyer.com.
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You click on the donate button. Send a donation for $30. Put in your name and your email address. And then click on the contact button and send a follow-up email to, I think it's, Brent. What is what is the main email address there on the website, Brent?
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Can you hear me? Yes. Yeah. A lot of them there. I I don't know. But if you go there, I know you can just click a button and email. I don't know. Alright. You just just click the button,
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and in the body of the email, just say, give your name, your email address, and, that you're you just sent a donation for the Radio Ranch Trust Group. Radio Ranch Trust Group. Folks. And then, I believe her name is Joy.
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She'll, she'll put you on the spreadsheet. She'll send that spreadsheet to me, and then I will populate all the fields that I need to populate. And we'll just And let me tell you what there have been since I got into this movement thirty years ago. There have been people traveling all over the country, hawking and trust, charging you 2,000 plus dollars, and they don't really I don't think most of them understand what they're doing, but Brent does. And so sort of opportunity, I encourage you to, look into it if that falls into your purview.
Okay. Brent, I made a comment a minute ago about other people and alcoholism. You will very rarely ever see a alcoholic Jew.
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Okay.
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Okay? I mean, like in AA in circles and stuff? Yeah. Rares in his teeth. K? For whatever reason, it's, of course, a weapon they've used against us, they're famous for in Europe. So, anyway, that's, the interruption. Sorry to get us off track. We had to do that. And if you can remember where we were thumb thumbnailing to, we can go back there or we can go off. So you were talking about Johnny Mac and and that whole contingent.
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Uh-huh. I don't know. I wanna go ahead. Go ahead. Okay. Okay. Well, I wanna mention also
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if you're done. Are you done? Well, I there's, Ferris is gonna wants to get in. Ferris, what do you got? Be nice.
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You know, I'm always nice, and I'm always No. I don't I don't know that. No. But you can say that. Here is. But, I wanted to follow-up on something, commonlawyer.com Brent Allen Winter said earlier in the program. He was citing the female of the species and certain attributes, and he mentioned legs. And I am the consummate leg man. And I wonder if Brent has any idea why the legs of the female of the species are so compelling to the male of the species. And another topic later would be, whether he's ever researched the the aspects of a kiss and what is involved with that and why it's so exhilarating.
But first of all, the you know, I mentioned Sid Charisse as having the greatest legs of any female that ever walked. And if you go to YouTube
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Okay. I do believe that a moderator just stepped in and squelched him. I would like to ask a question. Why do we constantly entertain his sexist, divisive comments that have absolutely nothing to do with what we do? I agree. Every single time we allow him to talk, he is like playing Russian roulette. You don't know when it's gonna happen, but you know it's gonna have a horrible ending eventually.
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Well, five out of six people say that Russian roulette's perfectly safe, Paul. So Exactly.
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So why do we even acknowledge him and allow him to say one
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word? Why? Because I'm an equal opportunity employer.
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Okay. Well, maybe maybe I should share the the free conference call attendees list with Zoom so you can see the people crash and burn and leave the program whenever he opens his mouth. Because we lose I don't like that. We lose anywhere between three and six of them every single time he opens his mouth. You've you've,
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I don't know what you've done. You I've never seen anybody disrupt a program like Ferris. Who was trying to say something there? You might as well talk to everybody.
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Yes? Yeah. I just had
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a comment, Georgia, Idaho about women's coming of age. Like with our daughters, we always try to make sure that they know how to keep the home. Keeping the home. Yeah. It's one thing to blossom and be beautiful and all that. And that's obviously, you know, for for men and women, it's a period of our life that we're that way. But, you know, having the character and the and the qualities to maintain the home, to have a heart for children, to propagate the family line, is as important as the, you know, the man learning about his legacy that, you know, as he passes on to the generation. So I think, you know, getting beyond the legs and getting beyond the blossom and and and all that.
You know, there's character things for both men and women as they, come of age. I yield.
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Thank you, George. Was that Larry trying to say something? I think Larry was in there too. Yeah. He's yeah. Can you hear me? Yes, sir.
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Yeah. You piqued my curiosity. It says the, I look so I looked it up. The longest serving sheriff is Colt Colin Talton junior, who served Houston County, Georgia for over fifty years. Halston. And to be exact, it was, Colin
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I think they pronounce that as
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I think they pronounce it Halston, but go ahead.
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Oh, okay. He served 13 terms since 1972, amassing fifty one years, nine months, and nineteen days of service. Touton was elected in 1972 and was sworn in on 01/01/1973. He passed away on 10/20/2024. And get this, at the age of 92, I yield.
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Thank you, Larry. Houston County. Okay. Anybody else wanna say something? Or we're gonna I'm gonna turn it back over to Brent and let him take us where he will.
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I just wanna add that the the American, slash French, coming of age celebration is the debutante
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ball. That's it. That's right. Thank you, Paul. I and then when you said it, then I recognized it when Stan used to tell me about it. Yeah. But the point being not to miss it again, women become because they are, a r e. Men feel compelled, and others want them to prove themselves. They do not accept them. Otherwise, that's the way god made it. That's the way it is, but we find ways. You're again, if you're in an urban culture, you're gonna find an urban way to do it, and it's it's not good. Not good. And sports is not the measure of manhood just because you can do this or that or the other. Well, there is a measure of manhood. The bible sets it out clearly.
And the measure of manhood is this. I'll put it in a nutshell. Again, I for what it's worth, I did give you my testimony after soaking the bible for many decades in an intense way. Manhood is measured fundamentally by this, that you don't follow a woman. That's how it's measured. When you're young, you obey your mother. You obey your mother. And when you're older, if you get married, you listen to your wife and she knows things you don't and can see things you don't and you listen to her. But never forget that you cannot delegate your responsibility called discernment of decision making as impossible.
God whatever God gives directly to you, you cannot re delegate. There are some things that come to you like a sheriff. A sheriff has a delegation from authority which ultimately finds its source in God, but it didn't come to him straight from God. It came to him by the members of the militia of his county choosing him. That's and that kind of a delegation can be redeligated. You see? That's why he has deputies. And every deputy in our in our common law tradition has all the authority that the sheriff has to do what, to do what he has to do.
He's still under the authority of the sheriff. Yes. Because the sheriff delegated to him, but he has all the authority to do all of the things our common law tradition give a sheriff to do. But that's different. Of course. Now when God delegates something directly to you as father, as husband, as man, There's no redeligation of anything. You can't That the law doesn't allow that and that's true in our common law tradition from top to bottom. You you can't escape that responsibility. You will answer to God for your manhood and at bottom, you do not follow a woman. I had somebody say to me the other day, well you listen to them. Oh yeah, I got friends. Female friends. I listen to constantly. They're just smart people but that doesn't mean that that that they will answer for the decisions that God has given me to make.
That's the point I'm making friends and if you don't listen to your wife, you're an idiot. Listen to her. As I said, she Her logic is her domain by the way. Better than you, faster than you. She doesn't even know how fast it is. It's like a computer. It's so fast we we don't even call it logic. We call it instinct. That's the way God has wired her brain. Mhmm. But the discernment to make the decision is yours, not hers. Yeah. Has to be. And, you may agree with her. I agree with my wife. Been doing it for fifty years. I agree with her a lot because she's well, she but there are times when I say no. I got it. I don't and it's not important. When it comes to discernment within your scope of authority, man, it's not as important that you make the right decision because there are many right decisions within the scope.
It's just important that you choose. You don't know always the right decision any more than the quarterback knows what play to call. He makes a discerning judgment. That's what he does. And he decides which play he will call. The important thing once he calls it, he can't stop in the middle and say we're not carrying this on through to the end. No. Once the the play starts, you back it and you move it on and you finish it. That's the way you win. Same thing is true in war, by the way, and the same thing is true in peace in your family. You make the decision. It's more important your children see you, that you make the decision. You follow through that it than it is that you are absolutely right in your decisions as long as it's a lawful decision.
Lawful. It has to be lawful. Yes. And that's the measure. And that's why in the Bible, it starts and it says, and this governs all of the Bible. What what happened to our grandpa Adam in the garden? We hear God coming to him and said, because you did this, he talks to the other woman. And she said, well, the the snake beguiled me, hornswoggled me. Was that true? Yeah. That was true. She got hornswoggled. She really didn't know that she was doing something wrong. That's what the bible says, and the new testament says that. But Adam, he knew from the jump it was wrong. And then God said, because you followed your wife. I'm quoting the bible.
You can do what your wife thinks right as long as you think it's right. That's my point. You've got to make the decision. The same thing is true of a Discernment is the mark of a free man. Discernment, The ability to choose within the scope of his authority. That's freedom. A slave doesn't have that. If you're not a Christian man, you're not born from above. You don't have freedom to do anything but choose evil. Between you, this evil or that evil, but you cannot choose Christ. Not possible unless you're born from above because your eyes are are blind, your ears are plugged, and your brain is not enlightened. That's not me saying that. That Jesus Christ said that more than once. That's why he said, let him that has ears hear. Well let me come back to this trust course. A Christian man's relationship with God is his religion.
His religion are the terms the terms between him and his God. Those terms are fundamentally defined by a trust settlement, the common law trust settlement. That's what the Bible is. The Bible is a set of writings that unpacks that trust settlement. Beginning way back in the beginning in the garden of Eden, coming through to Abraham chapter 12 and chapter 15, the the cutting of the covenant as we'd call it, cutting, the indenture. That's a fascinating word in our common law tradition. Used to when people two men made an agreement, there wasn't any paper. They didn't have it. They didn't have, vellum and cow hides and stuff like that, sheepskin. It was very expensive.
And so and they make an when they cut a trust settlement, one man be trustee of property land, another one would be the beneficiary. They would copy the exact same thing on one piece of vellum, one piece of sheepskin or goat skin. So you'd have a copy of side by side, and they would take a knife or a razor and they would cut a serrated edge between the two so the two were separate and cut a very intricate serrated edge, very crooked, but a lot of a lot of cuts in it. And then if anybody had any question whether what the agreement was, they could bring those two together and say, well, I've got a true copy and you've got a true copy. Look, the the serrated edges match. And that was called to indent indent the edge.
Indent the edge, and then the those two documents were called indentures. And in trust law, in trust law, ever since, for centuries now, and even yet today, we call a trust document an indenture for that reason. We don't indent them anymore, but that's what we call them that because of the historic habit of doing that. I knew a professor at a major Midwestern university that had one of those ancient indentures hanging on his wall in a frame. Rather fascinating. That was, yeah trust indenture. So we're coming back to the trust. We're working now. We got those courses and then you can write your own. But I've discovered that's not working the way I wanted to. And it's I don't know that I'd advise it. If you're gonna do a trust, you can write your own, of course.
No law against it. I mean, it's good to have counsel. What I'm doing now is putting together a trust document that is generic that can cover the matter, and all you have to do is fill in the blanks if that's what you want. Mhmm. But I spent my time, Roger, early on, thirty five years ago, Thirty? That's whatever. Twenty five, thirty, thirty. Thirty five thirty five years ago. What's that? I was gonna say don't count, Brent. Yeah. But starting with trust, because I like trust, and I had a had a had a teacher that was, into that, also a comparative lawyer, common lawyer. He's the fellow I told you about, a prosecutor of Nuremberg way back in the when he was in his thirties.
And, he spent his life in comparative law, and trust law goes along comparative law really well. If you're interested in one, you're often interested in the other. I was interested, and I got into it. Well, back in the nineteen nineties, the federal government was at war with anybody that established a trust.
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Especially the IRS.
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Yeah. And had been since Henry the eighth. Now that's tapered off quite a bit, by the way. But, if you just established a trust as a lawyer, you took a chance of going to jail. Well, I did a lot of that, but then the people that had trust would come to me and they'd want defense against the government because the government was trying to throw them in jail. I had one client that was a doctor, and he happened to be a Lutheran. I'm not a Lutheran, but even Lutheran. He would go to the Amazon Basin every year and do medical work for nothing. It was part of his Christian ministry. And, he funded that trip.
He had a big chunk of money, it was somewhere under a million dollars he'd put into a I call that the engine. That it create wealth, you know, that it would invest it. It would grow. And, the money that that made, he would use to go down to the Amazon Basin to these people out in the jungle that didn't have any medical help, and he would doctor them. Well, he had that and the IRS came after him, said it was a sham. It was a trust. What it was, they put it in the trust. They called them a charitable trust, in this case, a charitable trust. Now the enforcer of a the beneficiary of a charitable trust is the public.
That's the beneficiary. Because the beneficiary is the public, whatever that means, and the law defines that, because the beneficiary is the public, the beneficiaries don't have responsibility to enforce the trust. If you establish a trust, the beneficiaries are the natural enforcers of the terms of the trust. If anybody goes off, they have standing to go into court and stop them. But a charitable trust, what about as we say, what belongs to everybody belongs to nobody. If you make the public the beneficiary, nobody's gonna enforce it. So at common law, for centuries, if there's a trust, there's a common law doctrine, by the way. There are no trusts in the rest of the world.
But our common law has always said the attorney general of the sovereign enforces the trust on behalf of the public. That's the law. In America, it always has been. So if you're in a particular state, the attorney general of that state enforces the charitable trust of that state and it comes to his attention. Well, in this case in this case, it came to the attorney general of the state's attention because the IRS had confiscated all the money. They just froze all the bank accounts, said this is not a trust and we're gonna send you to jail and all that. And so the attorney general of the state who I have I got to know when I was in politics, we were running at the same time. He came in and in the court and put an injunction against the federal government and told them to unfreeze the, to unfreeze the funds and turn them over to him because he was the, he had jurisdiction.
Stopped him cold. Cool. That man did not go to jail. His son was a congressman by the way, that that Lutheran pastor's son. He ended up in an awful mess, but that's another subject. Boy, the crazy things you see. But I'm just making the point about the trust. Well, I ended up defending people in the grand, not before the grand jury because you're not allowed to go into a grand jury. But I'd sit outside and I would help people that were being trying they were trying to take the money out of their charitable trust and their other trust and it got more intense. And then they said, we gotta get Brent out of the way. That's how that happened. So they came after me because I was impeding their they wanted to prosecute. And, trust had been precious to me because of that. Because I've learned about them early from Bill Frat Fratcher, and then I I handled them, and I drafted them.
And I have a deep conviction about them for this reason. Among other reasons, they're very valuable, but they're a trust is what defines our relationship to our God. That's what the bible is. And what what our forebears call the covenant of God is a trust settlement. And you see the all of the indispensable parts of it in the bible. It's all there. And the whole bible and the coming, the first coming of Jesus Christ, it's all about us, enforcing and establishing that trust relationship. And it all has to do with the land the lord your god has given you and the prototype of the land that the lord god gave to the descendants of Abraham through Isaac and Jacob.
That's what he's done. And he says he had divided the bible, divided the land among the tribes and the towns and the nations and in all under that trust settlement. That's why it's important to me. But if you go to here's what I ask people to do. If you're interested in a trust, you go to the website commonlawyer.com. I don't have time to and I don't I don't keep the website. I'm behind. I don't know what's there. I have to go look. It was supposed to be there. We're gonna try to get it there. The trust document that you can obtain there. So you can have the trust document. And the book that I'm writing, I've about got it done on trust. It's not a it's a booklet, but trying to go through the fundamentals. Then we have the two courses you can take on how to draft a common law trust and the other one just about a common law trust. What is it? So you understand it. And, if you want a common law trust, you can go there and be watching. I think it's there now. I don't know. I'll have to look, but it'll be there soon. If it's not, you can obtain the trust document and the book that goes with it. And you can establish your own common law trust. And there's a lot more to it than people understand in most all cases. As one famous trust and common lawyer, Well, his treatise starts out on the first page, and it says that the common law trust is mysterious to most lawyers and judges as is the doctrine of the Trinity.
Yeah. And that and that's true because all of our common law is that way. Our common law is not about logic. It's about fact. Whether you can explain it, great. If you can explain it, that's fine. But if you can't, it's still true. And a lot of things in this world that are true that we don't understand. That's why we say our common law is based on logic and the law of the city is based or our common law is based on fact, the law of the city on logic. Roger, go ahead. I was just gonna add for some of the new folks that is what my teacher, John Benson, told us. I mentioned it on here often. The battle we Brent said it in different way today.
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The battle we fight now today on Halloween of twenty five is the battle that's been fought since the beginning of time, and that's Lex Rex, the law of the king versus the common law.
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Yeah. And we ought to drop a footnote about Halloween and all all souls day just quickly, if I may. Sure. Sum sum it all up. Sum it all up. There's not much to say. It all comes back to worshiping the dead, which the Bible forbids. Yeah. That's it. You know, that that it was set aside as a time to pray for the dead. Why would you wanna pray for the dead?
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And and here here they do that tomorrow.
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Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, I get it. And that's all about purgatory, friends. It's all about how the the wrong can control you by making you fearful about your dead relatives. That's what it's all about. But they're dead. They're gone. There is no communication. There is no purgatory. It's not in the Bible anywhere. That's all made up, but it's a way to control people. If I can make you fearful about, oh, tell you're you had a scoundrel for a father and a mother, and you don't know if they're in heaven or hell, then if I can tell you, you pay the priest and he'll do some things, you can start working them out of hell. Of course, you'd do that if you were foolish enough to believe it. But listen, you don't know where people are when they die. You don't know their heart. Don't worry about it. They may may be the people you think are in hell or in heaven and vice versa.
You don't know, but we do know this. Jesus Christ made the point. You can't communicate. You can't go over there. You don't know what's going on on the other side of death. But he said, let the dead bury the dead.
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I know one thing. Walk away from death. Live your life. These people that have near death experiences Uh-huh. None of them wanna come back. Who was, wanting to say something there?
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Bory. Bory.
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I I I got a comment for Brent. Brent Go ahead, Bori. How, good morning. Good morning, Brent. I wanna know something. How people gonna go to hell or to heaven without a judgment day?
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I ew. Well, no. Thank you for asking. This is an important doctrine. All the things you're talking about, I wasn't getting into the details. There is that's right. There is a judgment. And right now and we await that after death. And the the Bible lays all this out. It's all there. And that's why we have the doctrine of the Bible of Sheol. You know, there are different words translated hell, and they all mean different things. So the whole there are some people who tell hell doesn't exist. You know? They talk about that. But you're right. But we have to go through the data, the evidence of the Bible, and put it together, and it it all plays out properly. That is true. And there is a judgment. And but the god god has already judged the man that's not born from above. The Bible tells us he's already condemned to death. There there's that judgment. There are all those things are true, but I don't I don't personally wanna go into that right now. Although it's important question, I know you're thinking ahead of me and you're asking questions and everything I say is gonna beg another question. Everything the Bible says begs another question. I'm just trying to repeat what it says. So you're right about that. But there is but there is
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Who's turning pages? Who's turning pages? Please mute.
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To be absent from the body, said Paul the apostle, is to be present with Yahoah, the Lord. That's what he said. Now how do we put that together? Well, you gotta go back and put it together if that's what you wanna do. But just understand, of course, there's a judgment. The man that is not born above the judge already. And everything is from is is an is an eternity after in God's eyes. And you can, you get a sense of that when you read Romans. He who has been chosen already before the foundation of the world shall be glorified, shall be justified. There no is or no has been, past tense, justified and glorified.
Romans chapter eight. You can go read all that there. But right now, I don't wanna go there as much to say, look. Let's don't worry about that as much. Let's worry about right now. That's what god wants us to do. Redeem the time and know that he wants us to do his will now, and it is our natural inclination to do that once we're born from above. We don't have to worry about it. We're gonna wanna do it. What I'd like to do though is just make the point if your your understanding of your relationship with God comes through understanding the common law trust because that's what the Bible presents.
All the elements of it are there, and we teach it and wanna provide for you. Well, let me get back to Johnny Mac. Can I do that, Roger? Yeah.
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I think so. I don't believe there's anybody else in queue. I would like when we get a chance to if we have the opportunity to,
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see if anybody has questions or comments. Thank you, Bory. Go ahead, Brent. I'd like to get back to Johnny Mac too. Oh, okay. Well, I'd I'd shut it down now. I'll let people talk if that's what it was not like we're in a hurry when Lord willing maybe come back next week. But Johnny went to Bob Jones, and he got in. He was in a gospel quartet trying to just do what a man does in a Baptist culture, although he didn't wanna be a preacher. And he got into a horrible car accident going with his friends. By the way, one of the men in the gospel quartet with him was a a fellow whose father was Jewish, and his name was David Hawking.
And David Hawking is still alive. Okay. David Hawking, his father was Jewish. He was from Long Beach, California. His father worked in the oil field there as well. I understand it. Great big fella, six and a half feet tall. Yikes. Yeah. Big man, still alive. But, King Jamer, majority text fella, and a, a promoter of Israel, of course, very much. That's him. That's Hawking. But he was with him. They got in a car accident, and Johnny Mac went sliding down the highway, thrown out of the car, went sliding down the highway highway on his back for about 75 yards or 40 yards or some long distance. Two yards would be too far, you know. Yes. Ripped his backside up pretty bad, as you can imagine.
He spent a lot of time in the hospital, and his father was concerned about him. That's Jack. And so his father went to his friend, a Jewish fellow, a professor, by the way, named Charles Lee Feinberg. All these personalities go into this. Charles Lee Feinberg was a Jewish man that grew up in an Orthodox Jewish family in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. And I heard I heard him tell this story personally for what it's worth. This is secondhand information, but I believe it to be true. I heard him say it. He told the whole story. I was sitting right there. And what he said was this, when he was 14 years old, he was already studying to be a rabbi in Philadelphia. His father was orthodox in business.
Late one summer night it was hot and humid and he heard an awful commotion. Well, not an awful. It was a nice commotion, singing noise, and he looked off into the human distance, and he saw lights, lots of lights. And he ventured near. And he saw a giant tent and a few thousand people. And he got closer, and he saw a man on the stage jumping over the furniture and doing all sorts of antics and talking and very theatrical. Well, it was Billy Sunday. And he was fascinated watching him. Billy Sunday had been a professional baseball player. Some of you know the story. He'd get on this on the stage while while he was preaching. He preached evangelistic meetings. He was the Billy Graham of the nineteen twenties and thirties.
And he would he'd come running across the stage and make a point, and he would slide in home. He'd get down and just slide across the stage like he used to do when he played baseball. Really? Yeah. He was very theatrical. And, but he was good, good communicator. He had about a 100 about right at a 100 sermons that each he had he never preached more than those 100 sermons, and he had each one of them honed to a fine point. Every word, every emphasis, every antique, you know, all the same. But when you're traveling, you can do that. So you don't have to and, by the way He wasn't wasn't television yet. No. No. And he his father was a a veteran of that horrible war between the North and the South.
And, he grew up in an orphan's home, I believe. I you go check. I don't remember what it was, whether his father was killed or went crazy or whatever. But somehow, he grew up in an orphan's home. Maybe it was an orphan's home for veterans. I don't remember. You have to go look it up, but he came became a professional baseball player, and Charles Lee Feinberg saw him. He was so fascinated as a young man. Of course, you're fascinated when you're young. He took all the money he had and bought train tickets and followed him to every evangelistic meeting and had money for lodging from Philadelphia clean to Florida.
Really? He wrote his mother and father home and said, I found this thing. I don't understand it. I'm watching it. I I I wanna be a part of it. And on and on he went, well, they knew what it was. And his mother and father, you know, in that religion, if somebody professed to be Christian, or that religion demands that you treat them as though they are dead. You you never talk to them again. You don't acknowledge acknowledge them. You don't speak about them to anybody. They're dead. Oh, he's dead. And so he never saw his mother and father again. They he was all excited. He came home, told them about it. They just said, well, you're gone. We ended up going to bible college in Philadelphia, I think. I don't know what the name of it. Philadelphia College of the Bible. Maybe that was there at that time. I don't know.
He graduated, and he decided he would go to seminary. They went to Dallas Theological Seminary, brand new. Matter of fact, he was the first man, the first man to obtain a doctor of theology from Dallas. And he did it in three years. And for Sharp guy, of course, he already knew Hebrew. You know, he had been studying to be a rabbi. And he, he was in he he was the first man to and he did it at age 23, by the way. Wow. And then he went to teach there, and J. Vernon McGee was one of his students. That's how far back this goes. He was so he was younger than J. Vernon McGee when McGee went to school there. Well, after he got out of there, he went, got his PhD, taught for a while, then he decided, well, I need to know more. He went to John Hopkins. Hopkins. He got a master in some ancient Near East language like eucheritic or cuneiform or something. And then he got a PhD under William Foxwell Albright.
And William Foxwell Albright was the foremost archaeologist of Near Eastern culture in the world at that time, and he was the one who first identified the authenticity of the Dead Sea Scrolls. That was William Foswell Albright. And he was professor there. And so Feinberg did that. And then Feinberg came back and he heard about a school out in California that a couple of Presbyterians had started and that was the Stewart brothers. Now this all goes into Johnny Mac's story and the reason I'm you know we're not just none of us are just by ourselves. We're affected by a whole lot of things. And if you there's no end to the things we're affected by, but I'm just trying to hit some of the major things that affected Johnny Mac and why he was what he was and became well known for doing what he did, which was expositing the bible, cause by cause. Well, I shouldn't say the bible. The New Testament. He ignored the Old Testament, amazingly.
And I don't think that's a good idea, but that's what he did. Anyway, so, Feinberg became professor at a school that these two Presbyterian brothers who were founders of Union Oil Company, by the way. And they were from Titusville, Pennsylvania. Both of them had been in the Pennsylvania cavalry during the war between the states. And they got out, and they were worried. They said, you know, Bible believing people like the Presbyterians are not we're losing our grip on the Bible. They wanted to start a school. They had, they had noses for oil.
They weren't geologists, but they said we believe there's oil in Southern California. And they went to Long Beach and poked a hole in the ground on top of what is today Signal Hill. And by the way, that's where David Hawking's father worked for Signal Hill, in the oil field there. And every time he poked a hole in the ground, he came out of Gusher, and pretty soon they had more money than they knew what to do with. And they decided they were going to start a bible college, and they called it Biblical Institute of Los Angeles with Lyman Stewart and his brother. And they, funded it.
And they told R. A. Torrey, who was a graduate of Yale Law School, and he'd gone to Europe and studied theology after that. And they asked him, would you come and and put together the curriculum and start the school and all that? And he said, y'all do it on a couple of provisions. If you'll do this for me, I'll do that. You gotta build me a church where I can preach to 68,000 people every Sunday morning in such a way that of course, it didn't have microphones back then. That was in nineteen o nine nineteen o nine.
And, the acoustics, that'd be right. And he said, I want a bible institute on top of the church. I want it to be three or four stories high. So we have the bible institute for classrooms, and then we have the dormitories for the students on top of that, and then the church down below, and all those students can work in the church. And then I can talk to six to 8,000 people. Those and back in those days, that was the way it was done, and that's what they did. They called it the Biblical Institute of Los Angeles. It was downtown. The church was called the Church of the Open Door, and it was there until the '19 about 1990 I think. It's tore down now.
But he did all that for R. A. Torre. R. A. Torre came out and did all that. He was there and of course six eight thousand people would show up. He was very had a had a voice for it. He could do it like he was friends, by the way, with D. L. Moody. But D. L. Moody, him had a fallen out. That's why he came out to Los Angeles. He was the head of Moody Bible Institute, which is still in Chicago. Well, they came out there and did that, and, it became Biola College. And, they moved out to La Mirada, and they started a seminary with the college, Biola, and, became a university.
And Clyde Cook was the other fellow I was going to tell you about. He was from Scotland and he came out and he became eventually, among others, became president there. And Clyde Cook had been in a Japanese prison camp with his mother and father when the war started and when he was a teenager. He had a fascinating personality and then Louis Talbot came there but Charles Lee Feinberg came there to teach Hebrew and Old Testament. But he was a hardcore dispensationalist, you see, because of his his influence at being being Jewish and at Dallas Seminary.
And founded by the founder or the fellow, one of them that c I Scofield, he was friends with Louis Barry Schaeffer that founded Dallas Seminary so it was hardcore dispensationalist Zionist school. Well that was the influence then that came from Dallas to Biola, which wasn't there before because they were Presbyterians. It never was the official doctrine of Biola dispensationalism, but because of that influence it became just underneath it was there because of Feinberg. So here is, Johnny Mac sitting in in the hospital or laying there.
And his father went to his friend, Charles Lee Feinberg, and said, can you do something with my boy? And What do you want me to do? Well, if I can get him over there to Biola, would you take him and make something out of it? And Johnny Mac's mentor was Charlie Charles Lee Feinberg. And that explains why, added to a couple other things, he was such a Zionist. I mean Mhmm. Johnny Mac. Great bible expositor, but a Zionist. Why? Because of Charles Lee Feinberg and his father and his grandfather's dispensational point of view being Baptist. They they came down the Baptist road, left the Presbyterian point of view. So Johnny Mac ended up going to a Presbyterian a school founded by Presbyterians.
We're never officially Presbyterian, but it was of the Presbyterian ilk. And and then you had this dispensational influence that started coming in from places like Dallas, you see. And that's where Johnny Mac was, and and Charles Lee Feinberg took Johnny Mac under his wing. You can listen to Johnny Mac say this. He he he goes used to go into great detail about it and how important it was to him to know Charles Lee Feinberg. Charles Lee Feinberg was a a, a Semitic scholar and because he had studied under Albright that's John Hopkins, Johns Hopkins, he was a preeminent archaeologist and he taught archaeologists at bio archaeology at Biola.
Well that's what that's why John and when Charles Lee Feinberg passed away years later, oh let's see Feinberg was born I believe in 1910 and he passed away about well, in the 1990s or somewhere in the 90s probably. And his last words on his deathbed and I heard MacArthur say this. I'm getting this information from MacArthur, Johnny Mac. His last words were, I am a Jew. I have always been a Jew, and I will always be a Jew. Now that coming from a man who professed Christ all of his life. Wow. I don't understand all that. And Johnny Mac said I heard him say it. He said he told that story. I don't know if he was there or if he heard it, but I know they were very close. And he he told that story, and then Johnny Mac said, I don't know what that means.
I don't know what that means. What is All that you I'll let you be the judge. They're listening as to what it means. I don't know either. But I did know Charles Lee Feinberg. I knew him pretty well. Matter of fact, yeah, because he was my archaeology professor. And that's how I knew him. So it wasn't that I was his close buddy. Again coming back to I acquainted with him, but I sat and listened to him for hours upon hour lecture on archaeology. Mhmm. And, so I understand who I understood who he was. I understood his dispensationalism. I didn't particularly care for him as a his personality. He was a very, very much of a pulpiteer. He could get in the pulpit and he was as interesting and, we could keep your attention like Billy Sunday. As a matter of fact, I heard him say on more than one occasion that when he when he speaks and preaches, he can hear himself talking like Billy Sunday because he never got over the things and the things he heard Billy Sunday say and do as a as a public speaker, and his young 14 year old ears grabbed him. And I know how it is when you're young. You know, your your mind, everything's new. And he said, I still do that. And that might explain why he was a a good communicator in public, and he was.
[01:49:01] Unknown:
But And on his deathbed, he's always a Jew. Boy, that's an interesting story in perspective, isn't it? Yeah. It is. Now, Mark Twain wrote an essay once called
[01:49:12] Unknown:
oh, what was it called? I think maybe you can look it up. It's on the Internet. I've got it in a book someplace. Something about the Jew. But the question he was trying to struggle he was struggling with and trying to answer, why does a Jew insist on being a being a Jew? Even if he claims to be a Christian, he still says he's a Jew. Now in the early church, the early church fathers said that's silly. That's ridiculous. Christianity did not arise out of Judaism. That's what they said, and that's true. Judaism is Babylon Babylonianism. Christianity did not arise out of it that I could quote the church fathers over and over that said that in the second and first century.
[01:49:49] Unknown:
Hold on just a second, Brent. Somebody in the background is kinda interrupting. If you hit your mic, please. Kind of coughing and moving around. You might have a question. Just wait a second. Maybe we got a minute or two to,
[01:50:05] Unknown:
entertain that. Go ahead, Brent, please. But if if my father's if my father's talking another man up and I listened to my father do this when I was growing up, I knew what men he admired that around where I lived. And it usually came down to the men that were the hardest working and most conscientious and got up the earliest in the morning and went to bed the latest at night. That was the men dad admired, and those were his friends. And and so as I grew up, those men became my friends, and I admire them. And some of them are still alive. They're up in their nineties, and I Oh, how cool. Yeah. Because whoever your father admires and thinks is right, well, you're naturally gonna have that inclination.
Well, Johnny Mac's father was close friends with Charles Lee Feinberg and admired him and even told him, I'm turning you over, Johnny. I'm turning you over to Charles Lee Feinberg. What do you think is gonna happen, and how is Johnny Mac gonna react to that? Well, all of his life, Johnny Mac held Charles Lee Feinberg in iestine. I heard him say it often, very often. So that's natural. That's not unnatural. But who is this man Johnny Mac, and why did he do what he did? Why didn't he teach the Old Testament? Why did he say and he did if you have the Spirit of God, you don't need the law of God. That was his point of view. What is that? That's a dispensational doctrine. The law of God doesn't matter anymore.
Why is it that Johnny Mac taught in the strongest of terms that the American Revolution was sin, what we call the revolution, our separation from Britain? I don't call it a revolution because it wasn't. It was a war for separation. There's a big difference. Revolution is a doctrine of the of the law of the city. What we did was a doctrine of the law of the land. But he says and taught that the founding of our country going to war with Britain was a violation of the Bible. I interviewed a professor from that university where he was president, the history professor, and I asked him about that.
I I don't try not to quarrel with people that are my guests on radio. But I said, was our war with Britain unbiblical? He said, absolutely. So if you didn't agree with Mark with Johnny Mac on that point, you weren't a professor at that school. That was axiomatically understood too. Johnny Mac, but getting back to was a a megachurch man, an urban he was part of the urban urbanization of the church, which is the destruction of the church in that way. But he did go into the urban world and try to teach the Bible. That's what needs to be done, but not to bow to the urbanization. And that's what inevitably will happen if you don't if you don't accept the trust settlement of God under those terms, the law of God, the Old Testament, you reject all that and say everything is new now. All we need is the New Testament he spent.
When I first saw him and heard him, he was around 40, and he had just started not long before that teaching through the new testament. And I don't think he got it done for another thirty years or more. I I forget. It was a long time later. He finally got clear through it, and then they published the MacArthur study bible with all the notes from all those sermons after that. But we're not talking about what I want to stress when I talk about Johnny Mac is how God used him in spite of anything that was wrong. Because they're not a one of us that aren't wrong, wrong, wrong about a whole lot of things.
But it's our job as Christian men to exercise discernment and to look at the other man and decide for ourselves, what is it I can get this good out of this, and what is it that I I don't think I agree with? That's our job, and not to be ugly about it. So when I talk about Johnny Mac, I don't wanna be ugly about it. I I wanna appreciate what how God used him. And he did. No question. He used him in a lot of ways. A lot of people learned a lot of bible from Johnny Mac, and that's the salvation of our country, is to have the bible permeate. Not all of it. Oh, he'd talk about the Old Testament. He didn't reject it, but he didn't teach it. And he said, I'm not supposed to teach it. I'm supposed to teach the mysteries, the new testament.
Oh, okay. Well, that's what he did. For what it's worth, take what we can and and get good out of it. And he was pretty square on a lot of things, but he was involved in a megachurch organization. And it takes a brutal man to hold something like that together. And that's another thing we can talk about if we evaluate modern Christianity. The megachurch the megachurch is a new idea since my lifetime. Right. And it's it's not what I'd call biblical. And I say that on the basis of ch some of Johnny Mac's professors who said that about him. And I heard him say it myself.
Well, we're coming down at the end here, and I'm about to burn out talking. I
[01:54:58] Unknown:
got a few minutes if somebody wants to make a call. The call is amazing. Yeah. Somebody was had their mic open a minute ago. Obviously, want to say something. Good time now.
[01:55:07] Unknown:
Yeah. I have a good I have a question. Couple questions.
[01:55:10] Unknown:
Who are you first, please?
[01:55:12] Unknown:
It's Brew. Stewart? Chicago Brew.
[01:55:17] Unknown:
Oh, Chicago Brew. Hey, man. Come on. Sure. Go ahead.
[01:55:21] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. I got two questions. First off, in the first hour, I heard it towards the end there. You guys suggesting that the course for the trust is gonna start next week, and I have a because it snuck up on us because it's been going up a while, like, how to register, when's it gonna take place, whatever. So I had people on standby too that were interested in the course, but I I probably need a couple days to round them up to make sure that they're signed up. Is there any way to extend that to to the end of the weekend, the registration?
[01:55:49] Unknown:
Well, we have to ask Paul because I'm not doing this. Paul's the one that's getting this together. And what Paul did was, he said, well, the donation is almost nothing. This is your chance. That's what Paul's saying. And there was another about their teaching a trust course, charging a thousand dollars. Well, I'm not charging anything. I'm doing it in appreciation of a donation, but it was a fraction of a thousand, but he's got it way down below that below that to $30. You'll have to talk to Paul, but go to commonlawyer.com if you have a question.
If you send an email there,
[01:56:23] Unknown:
Joy will get it to Paul, and we'll figure it out. No. I'll do I'll do it. Right here on there, mate. I can answer that question. I was just Brew, hold on. Suggesting He can address that right now. Yeah. Paul, is there until end of the week in the register, and that's all. Paul, is that cool?
[01:56:38] Unknown:
You got a late entry?
[01:56:42] Unknown:
Yeah. Okay. I'll hold it until Sunday.
[01:56:46] Unknown:
Alright. Cool. Appreciate that. And the second one's direct to Brent. Hey, Brent. Have you ever heard of a phrase or term term for civil court? It's called Mackenzie friend.
[01:56:58] Unknown:
I have,
[01:57:00] Unknown:
but I've never used it. Find I know we've only got a couple minutes here, but, can you give us a brief definition of why that would be used? Someone asked me about this, and I said, well, call a common lawyer. And they they didn't call, so I'm calling on their behalf.
[01:57:14] Unknown:
Well, a Mackenzie friend, if I remember right. And I've and now I have tried to do this, but it never never came to fruition. But I've been in court where other people have done it. That's where you ask somebody to come in and and sit by you who may or may not be a lawyer, but has not officially entered an appearance. And the case was established way back, Mackenzie versus Mackenzie or something. You know, it's the name of a case. And so they named stuff after a case that says this is okay. And it kinda like a, amicus brief. You know, amicus means friend of the court. Somebody that's not a party to the case, but they can file a brief in the appellate court. Let's see. I'm looking it up here. Let's see. It says, Australia, Canada, England, Wales, Scotland, Hong Kong, Northern Ireland, Republic Of Ireland, and New Zealand. So nothing here about America recognizing a McKinsey friend in the court.
But they are somebody that can help you in your case set at the court at the bench with you with knowledge of that area of law who may not be a lawyer. But he or she may be liable for any misleading advice given to the litigate in person. Ah. Yeah. So there's a whole lot of stuff here to it. I've never used it. I've heard people talk about it, but I do know we don't call it McKinsey. We do but we do let people sometimes sit with a person if they're all by themselves and can't afford a lawyer. That's true.
[01:58:39] Unknown:
Cool. Thanks, Bruce, for the question. Good to hear you out there. We're about wrapping this one up on another Friday. This Friday being Halloween, we'll see what the rest of the day and the days to come bring. Very interesting time. Thank you, Brent, again for spending your time and pouring your knowledge and wisdom and understanding over us. And we just appreciate you more than I can express. Okay. And I know the audience does too. So thank you my friend for coming over and being with us. We'll look forward to the next time.
[01:59:12] Unknown:
Thank you, Roger.
[01:59:14] Unknown:
I hope everybody has a good rest of the day. The unusual day that it is, We'll discuss it tomorrow. Yeah. Just hold a second, Samuel. Cause we're about to cut off and then you can ask your question. But, we'll be back tomorrow on Saturday. Brent's got his Saturday show over there. You can listen to videos and archives of either. Which one you wanna do is totally up to you. We will hopefully see you soon, if not tomorrow. So have a great day. Ciao. In spite of it being Halloween. Samuel.
[01:59:48] Unknown:
Yeah. I wanted to point something out to Brent that when, John MacArthur's church went up against the, the government down there regarding, assembly of the congregation during the COVID thing. He I listened to him speak about that, and he said that, do they have something like a dozen or more elders? And anything that the church did had to be in a unanimous agreement among these men, and I think one or two of them was in objection. So they couldn't go forward, but what those guys did is they sent in a letter to him telling him why they object, but resigning because the majority felt it was correct and they, you know, so he is that normal in in most churches? Do you think that they have that kind of an organization where it has to be unanimous through the elders, or was that unique?
[02:00:54] Unknown:
No. It it's the way it ought to be, but it's hardly ever seen. By the way, there are 50 elders of that church and have been for decades. 50. I don't think that's a good number, but that's the way they do it. And, yeah, they say in agreement. But the truth is, MacArthur was such a dominating personality and, forceful in his under what he claimed confident in his understanding of the Bible, whatever it was, right or wrong, that they went along with him on everything. That's true too. See. So there's that that element in there. In other words, officially, MacArthur was just one of 50 elders. And there's two kinds of elders in the bible. Elder rule is common law rule. That's why we have a legislature in our government as a co equal branch. And they have to be a certain age. You can't just be a child. You gotta be 25 to be in one house. But in the controlling house, you gotta be 35. Was that what no. 30. 30 in the yeah. In the constitution.
So, the elders is the way the bible presents a church government. Show me the government form of the leading institution of a country, and I will show you the government of that country fundamentally. That's why Mexico likes our dictatorship. All of South America, we've said this before. Why? Because in their heart of hearts and their religious institutions, Romanism is a dictatorship. The pope is called the imperial pope because it's all about the empire. It's all about a government of one man Yeah. Through his henchmen called the the priesthood. I was recently going through the and I remember this, details. I get older, the remember this, details. I get older, the details of what I learned come back to me, and I revisit them. And I'll getting older is a positive thing, Roger. I know. During during our war with Mexico, there were a lot half of the troops that went to Mexico to war with the Mexicans were immigrants to America.
And a large portion of those were Irish. And the Irish, when they got down there and they saw that the Mexicans the the whole thing, the Mexicans were controlled by the Roman priests, and the war was all about the Roman priesthood controlling things. They defected by the hundreds to the Mexicans. And I they didn't get all of them, but after Americans took Mexico City, they hung 30 of them. Fort marshaled them and hung them because they had defected. And the reason they defected is because they were Romanist in their heart of hearts. They couldn't stand America anymore. They had to go along with what the pope said. And the pope wanted Mexico to be slaughtered or didn't want them to be slaughtered, but that's what happened. And a lot of Americans got killed too. Now there's more to it than that and not everybody's right, not everybody's wrong in that situation, but it is true that romanism is a powerful force upon or religion is the force that dictates what government we will accept. No question.
And God and the bible the bible the bible insist upon a rule of a unanimous rule. That's a jury by the way. Not a majority, unanimous of an eldership. That's what MacArthur tried to do there, and that was biblical. Back to you. Go ahead.
[02:04:13] Unknown:
Well, yeah. His argument was and why he he felt convicted to move forward with his lawsuit against the county was, he he felt that they were breaking God's law, and that gave him the right to stand up to what they were doing.
[02:04:33] Unknown:
Well, all true law is God's law. If it's really true, if it's good law it's God's. Because God is law and everything that he says is his will. As I pointed out a while ago, even his gospel of salvation by grace through faith without the works of the law is a law in and of itself. The law of the gospel. The law of grace as Paul puts it. The law of faith. So I'm saying, their laws is against God's law. Well, that often happens of course. But that the Bible also says we're not, resist every law of man just because it isn't precisely what God's law is. There's a difference. This is very This is important. Beyond important to know when to resist. And we go through the declaration of 76.
We get to that passage where it tells us what the standard of resistance is and how to exercise it. It's important to know. There has to be in order to have that resistance, there has to be a clear contradiction. It has to be this. If I follow the law of man, my very following the law of man constitutes direct disobedience to God's law. God's law? Yeah. His will. What he wants. And the Bible communicates that to us not only in the statutes, commandments, and just judgment, but in poetry, biography, epistles, apocalyptic literature, history. It's all there.
We have an overwhelming of evidence of what God's will is and everything about it coming at it from every angle. Even music, the Psalms telling us what God's will is. What he likes. What he doesn't like. Yet not to mention in all that in support of the stand statutes, commandments, and judgments. And if it if obedience to man's law constitutes a direct disobedience to God. For example, driver's license. We talked about that a lot. Is getting a driver's license or permission to drive on the public highway, does that force a man to direct disobedience to God's law?
That's the question. If it does, well, you have an argument. If it doesn't, you don't. What about if a Roman soldier by law and the law of Rome says if a Roman soldier asks you to carry anything, the law obligated you to carry it for up to a mile. Up to a mile. Jesus Christ said, well, if a Roman soldier asks you to do that, carry it two mile. That's not that's not a hill worth dying on and doing that does not directly violate the law of God. Directly means head on. For example, for example, I I pay taxes to the government. Now I'm just throwing this out as an example. I'm not taking a position. I want you to take a position at some point. I know what mine is. If I pay taxes to the government and they take that money and pay for murdering babies, is that a direct or an indirect wrong of government as to me?
Well, as to me, that's an indirect wrong. I gave money to the government and they misused it. I give money to a liquor store, they misuse it. I give money to Disneyland, they misuse it and and promote homosexuality. That's an indirect negative effect. It's not direct. If I gave money direct to the queers that were promoting sodomy, that would be direct. You see? Now, I'm not coming telling you what my position is on in every case. I'm just saying there's a difference between direct disobedience to God's law and indirect. It is the direct obedience that God forbids. That's all I'm saying.
It's up to you as a free man having discernment within your scope of authority to make that decision to hope you make it right in every case. Every case a little different. But John Johnny Mac took him a long time and I heard him talk about it too. Good point to bring up. Took him a long time to see the ruse that was going on. That surprised me. He acted like what I didn't do at first. That's why it took me a few months to figure out how stupid this all is. Well, no, no, no. The Bible says that breath, the breath of life is a gift of God and if And to impede it with a mask on your face or not getting together, whatever they're telling you to do is to despise the gift. And to despise the gift is to despise the giver. That's direct.
They know, no, no. I'm not wearing a mask and I'm going to church. That's easy for me. That's what my position was at the time. And then I said to people, you get on an airplane, you're in admiralty jurisdiction. They tell you to put a mask on, put it on. If you don't wanna fly, don't fly. That's good that's good under our common law tradition too because Admiralty does have its place, and airplanes are proper.
[02:09:15] Unknown:
Proper jurisdiction of Admiralty. Whole scam was a misuse of a regulatory
[02:09:19] Unknown:
power. And that too. But coming back to just a well, you can change the subject. I'll stop then if you wanna go into that, Roger. I'm good. But I'm just making the point about direct versus indirect. That's always an important consideration when it comes to how when we're gonna resist,
[02:09:35] Unknown:
the laws of men. And my point with that was just they're always doing that. They're always laying down some foundational thing, and then they pile fraud or misrepresentation on top of it. Mhmm. My point. Right. Mhmm. There's Larry. Yes.
[02:09:53] Unknown:
Yeah. Question for Brent. You talked about the McKinsey doctrine, and that has a z in it as in zebra. And, it's not available in America. You are correct. But what is available in America is it's called the friend of the court doctrine, but it's it doesn't work in every instance. And a friend of the court is allowed to sit next to the defendant and to give advice quietly, but they can't speak out loud. They can't, approach the, you know, the court to talk about the the case. They could take notes. They could do things like that. But the the catch is you have to get permission. Have you ever heard of anyone using that friend of the court doctrine, especially if it's a husband, and he he needs to be a friend of the court to his wife. And, how would you go about doing that without getting permission? Have you ever heard of that?
[02:10:55] Unknown:
You can't do anything in a courtroom without permission. If the judge says no, that's the end of it. You don't the the option you have after that is appeal. Don't ever think there's something you can do in court without the judge's permission. There isn't. If the if the judge doesn't like something and he tells you to stop that that ends the matter right there. There it can't be any other way. I can't go into a court as a lawyer and practice unless the judge says it's okay. And at some point he decides to that I can't anymore, well then I have to stop. Now if my client wants to appeal that, he can do that and maybe he'd win. Sometimes people do. Maybe the judge stepped out of stepped without over the over the lawful line.
But as long as that judge is on the bench, just remember, it's his decision. I went into a federal court up and that has to be that way. Somebody's gotta make the decision. Yeah. And it isn't me. I went into a federal court up in Oregon one time, and my I didn't have a license to practice in that federal court. It was a I had to be there immediately. I didn't have time to go to another lawyer and and have them help me sign in, which is what you do. And I so I went to court, and I sat in the back, and I had talked to the US attorney.
Nice fella. Hard to find a nice US attorney. This guy is really nice. And, I'm sitting in the back behind the bar behind the bar. Why? Because I'm not a member of that bar. I'm not on the roles of that court as a lawyer. So I'm sitting back there. And the judge gets on the bench, says, well, US attorney, what do we got? And he said, well, we have this man here, and we're it's a subpoena that we're trying to deal with. And and then he turned around, he said and his lawyer said in the courtroom. And he turned around and held his hand out toward me. And the judge said, who who's that? Said, raise your hand. And I stood up, and the judge said, you come up here and sit with your client right now.
Thank you, your honor. I walked up and sat with the client. No paperwork. No no fee. Whatever a judge says in the courtroom, that's it. And you're and and, if you don't like it, you can appeal. I've said that three times now. I'm trying to stress that. Had a guy called me one time from Florida many years ago and said, well, I'm on the case down here in Florida. If the judge rules against me, I'm gonna arrest him. I said, you're gonna do what? I'm gonna arrest him. I said, why? Well, because he's committing a crime. If he rules against me, it's a crime. I said, what's the question? He told me. I said, I don't care what the question is. You can't arrest a judge while he's on the bench. That's against the law. That's a common law doctrine. That's been around for centuries. I don't care what he does.
You can't arrest him unless he's trying to shoot somebody. I like to tell that story. It's a true story. Supreme the guy that told the story became a supreme court justice and his name was Field. And Abraham Lincoln later appointed him to the US supreme court, peach of a guy. But he went out to California during the days of the gold rush and arrived in a town now called Murrysville, and it was only been there about eight days. And years later, as he was practicing law, out there he got to practicing law. A lot of a lot of gold was in the currency at that time. Plenty of money. He represented colonel Sutter. He got voted into a judgeship, ran for state legislature, all that kind of stuff.
But during the early days when he was representing Sutter, colonel Sutter, I'm talking about the guy at Sutter's Mill, who was a Swiss immigrant, by the way. He was representing him. He was losing all his land when the 100,000 people came all over the world and just did anything they wanted. Well, he was in a tent. The court was being held in a tent. Didn't have any buildings in town in Marysville, which is Marysville, Yuba City now. And, he, the judge was from the South from and he was from Connecticut. And there the rift in the in, about 1850, the rift between the North and the South was was violent already by that time. Everybody hated everybody except especially the southern boys. They hated northern boys, and he was a Yankee from Connecticut.
Not that they'd had any real issue to fight over, but they just he the the southern boys hated the the Yankees. So the judge ruled in the case and the state legislature hadn't passed any legislation. They really didn't know what the standard was, so the judge ruled. But what they didn't know was the state legislature had just passed the first statutes, had just assembled, and had had them published. And the lawyer sitting right behind Fields handed him a copy of the recently published law, said maybe this would change the judge's ruling.
He looked at and he said, judge, I'm sorry. I just got a a copy of the recently published law of California the state legislature just passed. And it says this. And if that would change your ruling and the judge, he was, this judge was a dangerous man. He said, I've already made my ruling. I don't care what it says. I've made my ruling. He said, you're out of order. If you talk again, I'll have you held I'll hold you in contempt. And he said, well, I'll be the judge. I'm just trying to point out, the law. He said that's a $50 fine. And if you say anything else, it'll be another $50.
And Pills kind of threw his hands up and just mumbled something like, this is ridiculous. And he said, that's another $50. If you say anything else, I'm gonna have you jailed. Of course, they didn't have a jail yet, so they had no place to put him. So he he did he said something to somebody. He jailed him. He told the deputy to put him in an anteroom in the tent and stand at the door and don't let him out. So he got in the anteroom and there was a desk there and he got the desk and found a pencil and a piece of paper and he drew up a petition for habeas corpus, gave it to the deputy, said, would you give this to the other judge? I wanna be heard right away.
So the deputy got it to the other judge, and the other judge called immediate hearing and brought him in. Well, it hadn't been just a short period of time, but the whole town knew. By that time, there was no television, radio, Internet, and the news traveled fast, and people were looking for excitement. So by the time they brought Fields into the courtroom, the deputy brought him in. The other judge was sitting at the table up front. The room there in the tent was just packed full. And the judge said, well, now what do we got? And justice field didn't have a lawyer, so he stood up to present his petition for habeas corpus. He'd been jailed unlawfully.
And while he was talking, and filed the sheriff and a bunch and a posse, a bunch of armed men filed into the room. And and the judge said, wait a minute. Stop. What's going on? You guys got guns and you're what do you well, we're here to arrest you, judge. By what authority? Well, the other judge that held deals and contempts ordered us to get order me to gather a posse and come in here and arrest you. And the judge said, wait just a minute. And he got up from the table, walked into the little room in the back of the tent where they hung their coats and stuff. It was a big tent and got out a navy six shooter revolver out of his coat pocket where he kept it.
And he sat down at the table and cocked the, the hammer and pointed at the sheriff and said, when this hearing is over, you can arrest me. But you cannot arrest me while I'm sitting on the bench. And if you try to, I'll blow a hole in you big enough to paddle a canoe through. And after he said that, the sheriff was staring at him. He didn't have his gun drawn apparently, and he turned around the posse and they were all gone. And he didn't have any choice but slowly back up and leave. And then they continued the hearing. I don't care what a judge does and their cases are really funny to read actually on the bench and judges do stupid things on the bench, unlawful things.
But if if what they do can be characterized as within the decision making role of a judge, no matter how wrong it is, you can't sue him for it. You gotta wait till the wait till the the hearing is over. So when I was researching this about when I got a federal judge to recuse himself, I found a case out of the seventh circuit where a a slumlord in Chicago who happened to be a state judge was going through his slums and he, of course, having people thrown out that wouldn't pay their rent. And he found one of the people that he had thrown out, one of the boys that he had thrown out, sleeping in the sleeping bag on the floor in the apartment he'd thrown him out of. But he didn't have a place to live, so he pulled out his pistol, which he always carried in that part of town.
And that was illegal in the city of Chicago at that time or they said it was. And he got the man down on the floor, got on top of him, straddled him, put the gun to his head, and said, we're gonna hold court right here. Right here. Don't move. You have anything to say in your defense for staying here when you've been ousted by the order of the court? Of course, he didn't say nothing. Got a gun pointed to his head. And he said, okay. I'm gonna give you my ruling. You're out of here right now and you gotta leave. And so he left. Well, this fella appealed the case and said that he was acting outside of a judicial role when he did that. And the seventh federal circuit finally wound its way up through the I think it was, may have been Hammond, Indiana, not Chicago, Illinois. But either case, it wound its way to the seventh circuit in Chicago.
And the seventh circuit, I believe it was Easterbrook, said, well, he may have had an illegal pistol. That's not what the that's not the question before us though. What before us is, was he acting in his judicial role? And they said, yes. He was. And that is been the that has been the doctrine of our common law for centuries. But that was that was about as fur as I ever saw any case go. And I questioned that a little bit. But it makes the point that no matter how wrong a judge is sitting on the bench, if it's within his decision making authority and that he made a a decision that was blatantly wrong, you can't arrest him.
You can't do anything to him. And nothing is allowed in a courtroom that a judge doesn't want doesn't wanna allow. Period. He is as close to God inside of that courtroom as a skipper of a naval vessel is Mhmm. As skipper. His word is final. He's as close to God as being like God as the pilot of a seven twenty seven full of passengers. Yep. What he says is the law. And if you disobey him, it's a felony. Or a bus driver. A bus driver has That's right. Don't have that authority? I've heard that, but I don't wanna speak to that. I've heard that. But, I know that's that wouldn't be Admiralty so much. See, Admiralty would be airplanes and ships. And then but you say, well, is the judge an Admiralty? No. Oh, he could be in a federal court. Yeah. But maybe it's not an Admiralty case. But in the first instance, just like a sheriff's deputy in the first instance, he's the one that decides whether or not you get a ticket whether right or wrong. He is the one that has to make that decision.
And a judge in his courtroom in the first instance is the one that decides whether or not he has jurisdiction to make a decision. And if he's wrong, you can appeal it. That's the law. That's our common law tradition. It has always been that way. And you you have to have the permission of a judge. I guess I'm just talking a lot to try to make that point. If a judge decides he doesn't want it, he won't get it. By the way, you know, I've been in courtrooms where people have sat with people, that weren't lawyers, that didn't have a lawyer. But the reason the judges would grant it often was because just so they could be moral support, hold the hand on the person, so to speak. So they wouldn't feel so overwhelmed and alone while they were trying to defend themselves.
Maybe make a suggestion, as you said, quietly. Yeah. But that's really what that's for. And it's all coming down to not knowing procedure, and that's what's helpful in the courtroom. How do you present evidence? Lawyers are supposed to know how to do that. They don't, but they're supposed to. But a nonlawyer wouldn't know for sure how to present evidence. He wouldn't know when, how, or what method. And that's the key to litigation is evidence.
[02:23:27] Unknown:
That's all there that's all litigation is, is evidence. How to present this. Go ahead. Pro per person should, receive deference deference from that judge on his position of
[02:23:36] Unknown:
not being skilled at the at the Yeah. The profession, if you will. And our common law tradition has always said that too. And judges will often do that. Some are better at it than others. Some are more patient than others. Yeah. But yeah. And that's that's because they're human beings. They're sinners like the rest of us. Yeah. I'm not here to defend you.
[02:23:55] Unknown:
Yeah. But I am here to make that point. Larry, I wanna ask a question first for you. Who is making that clicking noise? It sounds like a camera shutter. It's been going on for for a minute. Is is your fault? Sorry. Sorry. What is it?
[02:24:12] Unknown:
Is this your BIC or what? No. It's my, it's my on screen keyboard.
[02:24:17] Unknown:
Okay. Okay. Alright. Now Larry?
[02:24:23] Unknown:
Yeah. I wanted to let Brent know that there's there's a a number of students on this platform that believe our courts are not common law courts, that they are, contract courts. And, they also say that these courts are Niese Prius courts, which of course means unless before. But they say it with that if they are Niese Prius courts, they use that term with a bad connotation. And I was wondering what your thoughts are on on those matters.
[02:24:52] Unknown:
Well, what less before what? What are what are they saying? I've heard heard them say that, but I never heard any of them unpack it because I and I've concluded they don't know what it means. They just spouting all the same stuff. You wanna sound smart. Yeah. That kind of thing. Is that true? I don't know. What does it mean? You tell me. What does it mean to them?
[02:25:13] Unknown:
Well, like, yeah, there's there's a mister Richard McDonald, has always promoted this idea that the courts are Nisi Prius, when he was alive, of course. And, but he always used it with a bad connotation. And, I'm reading about it, and it just doesn't seem like it's it's an unusual court. It's it's just it just has the, the definition that it's like a court that travels and it still has all the same characteristics of a a regular court, you know? And then this this idea about all the courts are contract courts, courts of contracts. It's all about contracts in other words, and and it's not about common law. That's that's another thing that a lot of students believe. And so that's what I was wanting your thoughts on. That's because yeah. They they they've been sucked into Patriot Mythology from people that wanna be common law gurus that don't know their butts from a $17 sunbonnet.
[02:26:15] Unknown:
I don't know how I can say it stronger. I've listened to them. They don't have a clue what they're talking about. McDonald, I've heard about maybe very sincere men, but they don't know. He was. That that maybe he was, and I'm sure he was. Some of them are. I don't wanna demean me people just demean them, but it's all baloney. It's called patriot methodology. And it's all over everywhere. Nisi Prius Court. Let me read what I've got here. This is from Cornell University. It's a Latin term, as you said, meaning unless before. It refers to a specific type type of trial court in English and American law where civil noncriminal cases are heard.
A judge with the commission in The US, Niasti Prius, refers to trial courts with a civil action or tried by a judge and jury distinguished from appellate courts. Well, it didn't sound so bad to me. What are they talking about? I don't know, and I don't care to. I just know this. I know this. That if they say that contract, law is not part of common law or contract court, that's just all silly talk. I've been to been to court and tried contract cases. That's a specific area of of the law of promises of our common law tradition. A very important area, fundamental area of of of law. And I encourage people, what is our common law? Do you have a clue? Oh, people got the the the definition that the gurus give them. They become popular and people throw them about like cord wood. I've never heard anybody. It could anybody that could put our common law all in one definition. I mean, I'm talking about men that really understand stand to spend their lives trying to understand it. And I would include myself in that category. Not that I'm the smartest one, but, contract law is the law of promises.
Trust law is a part of that, but it's not a common law contract where you there's a quid pro quo. What what is contract? Contract is a is, debt. Debt. Show me a debt. I'll call you show you a contract. Show me a contract. I'll show you a debt. What is our common law? Our common law is is the way things are done, not the end result. Know the due process that we follow. That's our common law tradition. That's that is our common law tradition. You say, well, Brent, can you define our common law? Yeah. I can. It's it's due process. That's what it is. And the end results are not part of our common law. That's what God says. That's not even our jurisdiction. Our jurisdiction is to ensure the process is fair and due process is followed and everybody gets a fair shake in the in the case. That's our that's our jurisdiction.
We're not we're not here to decide, right from wrong in the final analysis. God has already done that. Oh, we try to do it. It's kinda stupid that we do. Our forebearers said we don't need a legislature. Well, we got the Bible. Why do we need a legislature? We have the statutes, commandments, and judgments. There's nothing we can add to it. It is a propensity of men to make massive and millions and thousands of regulations and laws, and we don't need all that. It confuses everything. We have what we're to have. We are not to add to it or take away from it. The Bible says, Deuteronomy four, do not add to this law. Do not take away from it anything. Not a jot, not a tittle, not a word, not a letter, not a stroke on a letter, said Jesus Christ. Right. That's that's the law of God. But coming back just a minute. I'll let you talk. Thanks. Just a minute.
Coming back to contract versus law, these are contract law. That's a contract course. It's not true. It's not true. And if you say it's true, all you're doing is being a use of not you. I'm not talking about you. But anybody that says that has become, unbeknownst to them probably, a useful idiot for the evil empire because that's what the evil empire promotes. It's all contract law. That's what the banks want. I've been up against to get banks. They want it to be all contract law. They don't want it to be any responsibility on them, this fiduciary. They want it to be contract law and debt. Show me a debt. I'll show you a contract. But show me show me a law, and I'll show you a duty.
There's a difference. And we obey the law because it's our duty. It's not our debt. We don't have a quid pro quo. There is no contract. You start talking that way, that's all you'll know, and that's all you'll do. Well, I'm gonna let you talk now. Go ahead. Yeah. Bernd, I had a question.
[02:30:27] Unknown:
Speaking of the law, and of course, to me, that is what's in the bible and man adapts to it, but he's also coming from Babylon. So we get a lot of Babylonian law, but what because you got such a great historical background and everything on the Bible, how do you think the history of, the Old Testament canon was selected?
[02:30:54] Unknown:
Well, the old testament canon was closed by, of course, the time the new testament canon began. And we can show, I think, clearly it was closed by the time of Ezra. I don't think that's hard to show. And here's here's the ultimate question. Who's the author of the Bible? The ultimate author is Jesus Christ himself. He makes that clear and he's the ultimate commentator on it. And when Jesus Christ says from the blood of Zachariah or from the blood of from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zachariah, That phrase covers the books of the old testament.
I'm just giving you some hints. There's a lot of things in the bible that give us clear indication of the limit of the old testament canon. That's one of them. The law and the prophets, the the Torah, the way pointed out with the index finger, the Navi'im, the prophets, and the Wukuthuvim, the the writings of Psalm and Ecclesiastes. There's the bible. That's all there is. That's all there ever was. That's what Jesus Christ depended upon. You wanna know what the old testament canon is, one of the best ways is to see what Jesus referred to. He didn't refer to some of this other trash people talk about. I think I've mentioned one time back when I was, in my late twenties, I was with a fellow. He was, a Bible translator. He'd worked on the New King James and the Holman and a couple others.
And, he said half a dozen of us got together with him once a week and he assigned to us, each of us, some of the apocryphal books to read and to make presentations on. And as we read them, our we were to determine whether or not they should be part of the canon. Of course, the King James translators included a lot of those books in the King James translation. The Roman church included those books and bases a lot of its doctrine on those books like the book of the Maccabees. And the dragon and the bell or the bell and dragon or the no. What was it called? Bell and the dragon. Yeah. Bell and the dragon. Some of those books. I remember that one. That was the one I read. And I was supposed to decide whether or not it was and what and the reason we went through that exercise, we spent half a year doing that.
Went through that exercise was he was trying to get us to appreciate, what the reformers had done and going back and revisiting that question in the fifteen hundreds and sixteen hundreds. And what, how it came about in the early church. No. You can go to the early church. You can't find any place in the early church where anybody professed by authority to say these are the books of the bible. No place. No church council ever said that. Amber. Well, you hear people say they did. They act like they know because they heard from somebody else and they become the gurus and then they promote the crazy idea and all the patriots and the mythology say, oh, there's books that aren't in the Bible. We're not getting the whole story. No. That's not true. That is not true. Never has been true. That's my take on it. I'd like to talk about it in general. I can do that real quick, which I've done here.
But it did help me understand. And one of the things that we use to decide what books belong in the Bible are number one, do we still have God promised to preserve his word every jot and every tittle. Do we still have the book that is purported to be part of the bible? Do we still have it in the original tongue in which it was written? And does all evidence tell us we have it in the original tongue in which it was written? For example, the book Enoch, and there were two, not one book Enoch. We don't have them in the original tongue. There are other pocketful books like that.
And then all the false gospels, many of them are like that. Well, if you don't have them in the original tongues, they're obviously corrupt. And now let's you have to get rid of those. And that's easy. And that would get rid of nearly all of them that are purported to be part of the Bible. But what we do have here's the important point. Isn't it interesting? The people that promote, oh, well, we got this other book that's part of the Bible. We're not paying attention to it. Well, once a fella takes that point of view the Mormons, by the way, take that point of view.
You know what? All false religion takes the point of view that we have other revelation that's not part of the Bible, and we need to be a pen paying attention to that. What happens in every case? Every case, I'll tell you what happens. The bible itself recedes from consideration and those other books or that other authority like the pope of Rome, he becomes final. The book of Mormon becomes final. The pearl of great reprise be all the attention is given to that. The Jehovah witnesses watchtower becomes final. The writings of Mary Baker Eddy, Patterson, Glover and Frey, that becomes final to the Christian Science. The Bible is not paid attention to anymore. Why is that? Well, that's the way the devil works. That's how it is. Oh, you're gonna scream and holler about not you again. I'm just saying people that do, I noticed they don't know much about the Bible. Don't give it much tension and call. Don't care. That's what I've noticed. That's another telltale sign. There's something and and the reformer said this, once you have the spirit of God in you, he will guide you. And Jesus Christ said it, he will guide you to all truth.
He'll give you a sixth sense even. John Calvin said that. Luther said that. They didn't agree on everything, but they it was Wingley and Switzerland said that. And all those many men from Britain said that. John Knox from Scotland said that. Why? He's just repeating what the bible says. God will draw you to the truth. He'll take you to the bible, and he you'll you'll have it like John MacArthur, Johnny Mac. He finally said, wait a minute. This this is not true. What they're telling us about this COVID virus. Oh, no kidding, Johnny Mac. I'm surprised you didn't see that months earlier, but he did see it. Apparently, he said he did. I hope he did. I'm surprised he didn't see it sooner sooner, but that's the way it is with the Bible. You will, if the spirit of God is in you, he will draw you to the truth and he will make the error more and more abhorrent to you as you get older. All I can do is give you personal testimony. That stuff's abhorrent to me.
Those other books that people present, those apocryphal books, the Maccabees, all that? Does the Bible quote some of those books, the book of Jasser for instance, which we don't have a copy of anymore? Yes. It quotes those books. The book of Jude quotes Enoch. It lifts a pericope out of Enoch, puts it in the Bible, and that becomes the words of God. God believed that part. What about Josephus? You know, Josephus is an historian. We've discovered everything we know about him. What he said is substantially true, but it's not the Bible. But is there truth there? Yes. Uh-huh.
You can read it and you can discern what is true if you know the bible. For example, the death of Herod in the twelfth chapter of Acts. It says there that he was struck by worms and a terrible element of worms and he died. Well, Josephus references that, says a little different. But we we know that probably what Josephus says is true because the bible references that event, but we it is wrong to say we know the bible's true because Josephus said it. No, that's that's upside down, friends. Well, you know the Bible true because something outside the Bible substantiate it? No, no, no, no, no. The Bible's true because Jesus Christ said it is and the record that he has given us is irrefutable. The evidence and the evidentiary rules apply to the records he gave us in the gospel records. Prove all of the Bible. If you can prove, and you can. By the way, if you wanna see one way to how to prove that using the gospel records that all the Bible is true, go to the website, commonlawyer.com, and get a copy of Excellence of the Common Law or get a copy of the winterized translation of the Bible. I have a long appendix in the bask of those two works, substantially the same. How you can know the Bible is without error, without error from what the Jesus from the testimony of Jesus Christ and you have to establish first under the laws of evidence is the testimony of Jesus Christ substantially true and that's easy to do. Just following the laws of evidence of our common law tradition and the bible, both.
You can show that. Well you can in 10 easy steps, see that once you establish the gospel records are true, and that's the apex of written revelation from God. Once you establish those are true through the laws of evidence, then those established the books of the Bible we have now and do a pretty good job and a pretty definite job. Well, for what it's worth, I commend that to you. I've written all this down, and so you can get it and contemplate it and see if what you what I have what I have followed is true. The the method, the how, our common law tradition, the process to to come to this conclusion.
You can go look.
[02:40:18] Unknown:
Well, thank you, Roger. I better go. Glad to have you, Brent. I know. I was gonna say, my stomach's growling and my bladder's about bursting, so I'm right there with you. Thank you so much for spending the time with us and the Uh-huh. Extra time on the after show here for we got some pretty inquisitive fertile minds in this audience. Yeah. We do. We do. I mean Right.
[02:40:43] Unknown:
Well, just a closing thought. Somebody said That's a closing thought. A closing thought. Wait a minute. Somebody's two There's two people talking. But somebody said quick question,
[02:40:54] Unknown:
and I I think he hasn't had an opportunity to talk yet. Is that right, Roger? I don't know. Know who it was.
[02:41:00] Unknown:
Oh. Might be rude. That was Carl in Utah. Carl in Utah.
[02:41:05] Unknown:
Spoken yet. Go ahead, buddy.
[02:41:07] Unknown:
Yep. Hey, Brent. I know we've talked about this briefly, but this trust class that you're gonna do, can you or will you, touch on some of us have businesses and would like to put stuff in the trust and protect it or or do additional trust, however that works, to have that stuff protected also. Can you help and teach that in your class?
[02:41:34] Unknown:
Oh, I do teach the class, and I do talk about those kind of things. But in a particular instance, I'd wanna talk to you. If there if you're really serious, you better be serious. I know you are. You and I talked. And and I know you are. But, yeah, we need to talk because I don't want you to there's just so much, you know. You have to start learning about it, but you need we all need guidance to say, wait. Don't do this. Do that. And that's the kind of thing you need. That's why I'm anxious to get this document, up on the website. By golly, I'm gonna commit to doing that today, Carl. And Carl, stay in touch. I know you're serious about it. And but I do want you to take the course, Carl. Yeah.
Because it it helps, you know. It's just more of me saying, okay. Here's what it is. And I try to boil it down to simplicity in the course. There are two courses there. One is just the common law trust in general. And by the way, there's the only kind of trust there is a common law trust. But I say that to to stress that it is a common law doctrine. And the second class is, about how to draft one. But I don't recommend anybody draft it on their own. That that's not smart. I mean even when I draft a trust indenture, I have somebody else read it who I think knows something about it. I don't and I don't want you to do that, and you will get yourself in trouble. And I've defended people in federal court that have done that. And and, no, don't do that. Don't leave yourself open.
[02:42:57] Unknown:
That's my suggestion for what you go, Carl. Who Larry, is yours quick, or is it another one of your
[02:43:03] Unknown:
classes? It's really quick. Yeah. No. It's quick. Before the Magna Carta, all trials were held in London. This made it difficult for local juries who had to travel there to testify. After the Magna Carta, a writ was introduced with the Latin phrase nisi prius unless before this directed a sheriff to bring a jury to a specific date in Westminster unless the justices of a size visited the county beforehand to hear the case locally. This created a system where trials could be held in local counties, making the legal process more accessible and efficient.
So I don't see anything wrong with, you know, this Oh, yeah. You using this word c Prius to describe a court, and I don't understand why there's Patriot teachers teaching the the teaching that Niese Prius has a negative connotation.
[02:44:01] Unknown:
They I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. Because people like to say that they know foreign words Yeah. And that they can tell you something that's going on that you don't know. Yeah. That's why. But but I don't know if they understand it. But let me get one more thing. What are you reading from there? Can you tell me?
[02:44:19] Unknown:
Larry? I just looked it up. I looked it up on Google. I I don't know the specific site it came out. There are fundamental fundamentally,
[02:44:28] Unknown:
what that said is wrong. When it says all trials were held held in London, that is not true at all. Magna Carta Magna Carta said that the court of common pleas will be put at a fixed place, never to be moved, and it didn't move for over six hundred years after they did that. And the reason for that was all courts in England were under the Saxon custom from the continent of centuries before where the king brought justice to every county, every shire. That went on on the continent of Europe among the angels, the Saxons, and the Danes. And when they got to England, they continued that for centuries.
The king and his entourage would bring the justices of the courts and travel from place to place, and it was his job. It was called the ambulatory kingship. It was his job to come and visit the people. It wasn't their job to go visit him. There you go. That's our common law tradition. But it got so that and the only way he could, have a case in court is you had to find the king. Well, who knew who knew where he was in those days? I mean, it never stopped moving. Did you know the kings in England and the queens still do that? They go from palace to palace with the seasons of the year. That was that's a custom that is ancient. But back then, they took all their entourage with them and it got so bad that people were trying to find the king. One fella tried to get into court for right at twenty years and he just chased him all over the kingdom. Couldn't find him.
So that was called pursuing the king, say. And that's where we get our word law suit. Because if you wanted to get your case in the court, you had to chase the king down till you found him. And so that Magna Carta provisional Magna Carta said the court of common pleas, which was the bread and butter court of England of non criminal cases, would be fixed at Westminster. And it wasn't moved for over six hundred years. It stayed right there just like Magna Carta said. You didn't have any trouble. You could find him at that point. You could find the court. But then the thing you're talking about putting justices in each county, that, yeah, that happened. But there's just more to it than what That's why I say the common law is so confusing. If you want to, take advantage of all the struggle I've had in life to try to get to the bottom of our common law tradition. I believe I have under good guidance. I just didn't go at it myself.
This other man who was much older than me, I studied under him and I learned a lot. Then I took it and tried to dig things out and I put it in a book called Excellence of the Common Law, 958 pages. And then I took the Bible and I said I'm going to translate the Bible. I'm going to bring the legal terms out. The Bible is a book about law and the terms of it, Old Testament, New, are legal terms that are analogous to our common law tradition language. And I've tried to put all those terms in terms of our common law in my translation of the Bible and footnote them and explain them. That's the idea there. The the our common law tradition and the Bible are consonant.
Not be our common law tradition does not arise from the Bible. No. It arise
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yeah. I would I'm sorry to interrupt. Alright, Roger. Go ahead. Go ahead. Isn't it interesting that Larry's,
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search turned up something with, well, incorrect information. Yeah. Incorrect inform but there was some correct information in it. I didn't say totally. Yeah. Yeah. So, but our common law tradition is a mystery to everybody. And the reason we all hear about it, we love it. And I was that way too. When I was younger, I heard about it. I made it the point of my life for what it's worth. I'll be gonna try to find out what it was. And I spent years of struggle of being thrown in jail and all that stuff. Trying to understand it. And so I knew what it was and I could promote it. And I've discovered it is constant with the Bible because it comes from the same source of the Bible. And that phrase in our declaration of 76, the laws of nature, that was the phrase back then they used for our common law, one of the phrases. And the laws of nature is God. That phrase that phrase denotes the Bible.
William Blackstone used those phrases to talk about the Bible and his commentaries on the common law written eleven years before our declaration of '76 that the laws of nature and that's what we're gonna talk about it talk about in the These are the two volumes of our common law tradition. The first one is unwritten, lex non scripto. The second one is written, the bible. Without those two you cannot understand our culture. You cannot understand our declaration of '76, our constitution of The United States. They don't explain the common law, but every word and every phrase freights our common law tradition. And that's why people don't understand it and they talk about it, but they don't understand it because there has to be there has to be our common law tradition seen in it or you cannot understand why they're saying what they're saying. And that's the way it is also the bible to know that. And that's why John Wycliffe, when he translated the bible into English for the first time in about 1370, he translate. He didn't have the the document of the bible in the original tongues. All he had was the Latin Vulgate.
But he knew he had to get it into English best he could and that's a pretty good translation. He put it into English but he had a twofold approach and you can read about this. I talk about John Wycliffe and his twofold approach in saving his country. He wanted to save his country, he was a loyal and patriotic Englishman. Saxon, he was Anglo Saxon and he knew it but he was committed to his country. He said the law of the land comes in two volumes. We've got to get therefore the boy behind the plow can read the Bible in English and if the common law is being taught at Oxford, that's gonna change our country.
When he got the Bible into English, that was a good start. And he started the what we call the art of bible translation. Then he said we gotta get the common law tradition and William Chaucer by all indications of history was his son-in-law. You know Canterbury Tales, all that. He was a barrister. And those two fellows working in tandem tried to get the common law to be taught in Rome's university system. Oxford was part of that. It didn't happen. Listen to this, this is amazing. It happened finally about not quite six hundred years later, about five hundred, four hundred, about five hundred years later when William Blackstone delivered his lectures on the common law at Oxford funded by a wealthy Jewish merchant named Verner.
And the Verner being a Jew, he wanted him to lecture on the law of the city because that's what Judaism is. It's Babylonianism. So Blackstone said, well now what am I gonna do? I'm a comparative lawyer. I compare and contrast the law of the land with the law of the city. Oh I know what I'll do. You can't understand either of them. You know definition comes by comparing comparison and contrasting. So he lectured comparing and contrasting our common law with the law of the city of the continent and and Rome, the Roman church. And he did that in four volumes and all of his lectures are that way.
So he got so what are they called today? They're called the commentaries on the laws of England and people believe it's a a lecture is all about the common law, but it's not. He was supposed to and he was paid. He had to satisfy Verner who provided the money, to come to lecture on the law of the city. But every time he mentioned the provision of the law of the city, then he would launch into a lecture on how the common law is different in order to make the contrast. And he had his preference, the preference for the common law, of course. Well, that's what the book Excellence of the Common Law does. That's what I try to do is to make that distinction.
That's the only way you can understand our common law is to by com by comparison with its ever present antagonist, the law of the city, the canon civil laws of Rome, Babylonian Rome, a Babylonian law. Simply put, it's a government of a single will. Other ways you could put it, a whole lot of other ways. That's just one way. That's one contrast I make. The pope of Rome is a single willed. Napoleon was a single willed. Hitler was a single willed. All these countries, communism or governments of single will. And all of those countries, even yet today, have some form of the Roman code of Justinian as their law, including the Roman church and the Greek Orthodox church.
They're not common law jurisdiction. There is no freedom in such a system. That's why South America has no stability. That's why you're watching Venezuela do what it does. That's why we watched Argentina all our lives go through coups and assassinations and revolutions and bloodshed. And we see it in Bolivia. We see it in Mexico. We the reason we won the Mexican war was because they were unstable. They were going through constant revolutions right during the war. Otherwise, they probably would have whipped us. They're pretty tough. One one Texan down there, I'm reading about this. One Texan said, I'll never say again. I'll never say again that a Mexican is a coward. It was tough, friend. The Mexicans were tough.
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They didn't mess around. Yeah. There are millions of them in our country right now, and they might be starting to try and use them to take over. So Yeah. It's interesting. Brent, I can't keep you in good conscience any longer. We've been here almost three hours. Thing from Brent. Okay.
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I need one more thing from you, Brent. The show is actually still streaming. We dropped off of Euro Folk Radio, but we are gonna be wrapping up the Global Voice Radio and the Rumble link and all that stuff. I just thought I would take you out with a fond memory. Alright? Here we go. Next three minutes of the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales. Thanks for joining us. We'll catch you back here next day, and that would be the Sabado edition. Yes, Paul. Yeah. Paul, communicate with me if you would on the platform you and I communicate on and send me all
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please send me all the platforms you're on. I'm interested to know. I've never looked.
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Okay. Yeah. I'm gonna go over our bunch. Okay. Go ahead. Here we go. Frank Luther. Hallelujah. I'm a bum. Oh.
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Rejoice and be glad for the springtime has come. We can throw down our shovels and go on the bum. Hallelujah, I'm a bum. Hallelujah, bum again. Hallelujah, give us a handout to revive us again. The springtime has come, and I'm just out of jail without any money, without any bail. Hallelujah. I'm a bum. Hallelujah. Bum again. Hallelujah. Give us a hand not to revive us again. I went to a house and I wrapped on the door. And the lady says, bum bum, you've been here before. Hallelujah. I'm a bum. Hallelujah. Bum again. Hallelujah. Give us a handout to revive us again.
I like Jim Hill. He's a good friend of mine. That is why I am liking down Jim Hill's mainline. Hallelujah. I am a bum. Hallelujah, bum again. Hallelujah, give us a handout to revive us again. I went to a house and I asked for some bread. And the lady says, bum bum, the baker is dead. Hallelujah. I'm a bum. Hallelujah. Bum again. Hallelujah. Give us a hand now to revive us again. Why don't you work like other men do? Now how can I work when there's no work to do? Hallelujah, I'm a bum. Hallelujah, bum again. Hallelujah, give us a handout to revive us again.
Why don't you save all the money you earn? If I didn't eat, I'd have money to burn. Hallelujah. I'm a bum. Hallelujah. A bum again. Hallelujah. Give us a handout to revive us again. I don't like work, and work don't like me. And that is the reason I am so hungry. Hallelujah. I'm a bum. Hallelujah. A bum again. Hallelujah. Give us a handoff to revive us again.
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That's too, Alvin. Gonna take another shot at it here on Halloween. The devil's day, the devil's night, October 31, Radio Ranch, name of our get together. And I am cohosted today with mister Brent Winters, and he and I have been doing this Friday thing for a lot of years. I don't remember if we ever hit a Halloween before. I can't remember, or not, but we sure hit one this year.
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Oh, we've talked about it, but I don't remember when, but I know that we just talk about whatever comes to mind. I don't think there's much that we haven't talked about, frankly. Yeah. I agree with that. We've covered a lot of ground in, what, twelve, thirteen years, however long it's been. Yeah. And if we didn't know anything about it, we just make it up as we went. You know?
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Please. We got some we got some new people here. I mentioned to Brent what I talked about yesterday that today is really, at least in my mind and my perspective, from the knowledge I've been able to infuse and knowledge of my enemy. I had a very unique experience. I wasn't the only one, but I was schooled to a degree by a wonderful American named, brigadier general Benton Parton. You remember his name and him, Brent?
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Yes. But I don't know anything about him. You you really? You don't? No. Well, he's worth memorizing
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memorializing a bit here. I was a great American. I had the rare opportunity of being able to spend one on one time with him because we brought him my deceased, buddy, David Strait. We he had made his own wealth, and David was a great patriot. And he fee, we we saw him up in, DC at one at a big thing in DC, and he had become popularized with the Oklahoma City bombing. And the reason he had, received that attention was because he's considered was considered at that time the expert's expert in The US on on munitions. And, he had, started a whole new been given and started a whole new section of the air force called the weapons systems division and was tapped at that time with projecting 50 into the future and deciding and determining what weapons we would be needing.
And so he said, well, at first, he said, I got a Quonset hut. That's all he gave me. And Uh-huh. Gave me this mission. And so he said, the first thing I figured out is I better start learning who we probably be fighting fifty years from now. The communist were the big enemy, and he started researching communism and became an expert on it. And, in in one of those areas he was investigating, he kept seeing we looked it up the other day. Paul found it, actually. He was talking about the first meeting of the communist international in 1919 in Zurich Basel. I believe they meet in Basel. They still meet every ten years to this day.
And at that very first meeting, they proposed a plan of how to approach countries they wanted to take over. It was a four step plan. And then they met again in 1929 in Basel again, and they ok'd it. And as general Barton told me and the audience when he was giving this talk, he said they followed that plan in every country they've taken over since they okayed it in 1929. So it's, you know, something one of their weaknesses again is somewhat their predictability if you can figure them out. There's an a pretty good example. And so, I don't remember the first two somewhat like, Yuri Brezhnikov's conversation with Edward Griffin, you may remember. I'm sure you saw that. Uh-huh. The stages of takeover. Well, the third stage, I was called the period of escalating violence.
And that I, I think that's what we've been in since they kidnapped the government with Biden. And, and that's the reason for all the Soros DAs where they turn all the vicious, heinous criminals out next day, no bail or low bail, All that stuff. And you can see it when you've got that perspective, you can see it happening right in front of you. Not now, but just for years. Well, that third stage was was the jumping over to taking over the country in the fourth stage and then using that country as a base to take over adjacent countries.
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Uh-huh.
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So we're the last ones left pretty much, and we've been in this period of escalating violence. You can clearly identify it as that. There is a caveat. Before they move from stage three to stage four, they had to do two things. They had to get the guns and they had to get rid of the death penalty. So their little minions like these, migrants could go out and indiscriminately murder and harm and do heinous things and not have to face the death penalty. Uh-huh. They haven't been able to do that. Either one of them, really. They're still trying though, but we're getting to a point where they've they've showed their cards so much and they're it's at such a detriment and behind the eight ball from all of their little, agendas being exposed, that I think they've decided to go ahead and pull the string and go to the fourth, and that this that's what we're in right now. Well, that brings us to today.
Mhmm. October 31. Now you know about the government shutdown.
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Oh, it I hear people talk about it, but isn't it obvious that nobody cares and it doesn't affect anybody?
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Well, not well, that's not so obvious as we get through today. It's been that way pretty much up to today. Yeah. But after today, if they don't belly up to the bar and get an agreement, now we stop 42,000,000 SNAP card food stamp recipients from getting food. And many of them live on that. That's tomorrow. Yeah. Well, and next if we don't get this straightened out by Monday or Tuesday, a lot of them are gonna be hungry and angry, and they're already talking about going in robbing all the stores and everything. So that's today, and we've got this day to see whether are the Democrats gonna belly up to the bar and say we've been, you know, politicking with you?
Are they gonna continue to not shut this thing down and just let it over? Yeah. That's the point of today. It's very important. Uh-huh. Oh, I see. So,
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well, it's obvious that, as I said before, I'm not concerned about any of it. What they want, of course, is violence. That's the tradition of the law of the city. There's nothing complicated about it. Mhmm. Revolution and violence is their method. It's their only method. Coup, assassination, revolution means those things and violence. The law of the land says, no. We don't tolerate that. And the law of the land therefore includes, of course, the right, the responsibility, that's what a right is, not, plain and simple, to defend yourself and your property. So everybody, that, has property ought to be armed. And when they come to destroy it, you can, defend your property and your life and your family and your neighbors. If you want to give a handout to somebody, you can do that too. But it hasn't been like we haven't been through this before. I remember going down at the dump when I was a kid before they had, in the towns around where I lived, they didn't have trash pickup. People just took their stuff out in the country and threw it in a holler somewhere. And they we had those hollers all over, and there's one down, we lived on the top of the hill on the north side of the little river there. There were hollers down from our hill toward the bottom, and there was a place there where people would come and throw their trash. Of course, it was always filled with rats, and you could go rat fish in there, we called it, with a a fit a casting rod, put cheese on it, and cast your rod out in there, and you could catch rats.
That was a great sport for boys, by the way, including us. But we go down there one time, my brother and I, we like to look for things. We found a pile of records down there. They were from the nineteen thirties. No. The records back then were thicker. You know? Yes. They were. Oh, Oh, yeah. And there were those seventy sixes, but it had the songs on it. And we took it back, and we had a record player you could crank up and play. Uh-huh. So we put the record on there and worth the needles on those things. It used to be really heavy. Boy.
And, we played it, and I remember there was a song on there that was a spoof using a religious tune, an old hymn. But, I learned the words because my brother and I had played it over and over and laugh. And it said, the name of the song was Bum Bum. And the lyrics went, I went to a house, and I asked for some bread. And the lady said, bum bum, the baker is dead. Hallelujah, I'm a bum. Hallelujah, bum again. Hallelujah, give me a handout, and I'll be your friend. It was about all the hobos who were traveling around during the depression looking for a handout. It ain't like we haven't been through this stupidity before, and it's all orchestrated by the banksters. We know that now. And if you don't know it, go read up on it. It's not like we have time to look everything up, but on the Internet, we know a lot more than we used to. And that was all orchestrated, and people didn't have any trouble with it. And we also remember the song Long Lost John, by Merle. Who's the guy that wrote 16 tons? These are popular songs.
The ugliest fellow that I ever seen was long lost John from Bowling Green. No hat on his head. No shoes on his feet. He's begging the women for his bread and his meat. One woman said, Johnny, what you what can you eat? He said, 49 biscuits and a ham of meat. And the song goes on about this hobo named long lost John. Well, that was common. We've been through this before. You just keep your your weapons handy, and you help people. I knew a fellow down where I was from. He was old then, but I heard stories about him. But when when the the, when he had a coal mine down there, and he was a Presbyterian, I remember. And he was a very wealthy man. And he lived in this town where I work, but he's gone now. But when he was young, he owned the the biggest coal mine in that part of the world. And and, he had a he ran a soup kitchen and a kitchen of all they they not just soup, but he all sorts of things. And the people of color down there that didn't have jobs, and there were hundreds of them, and white folk too, would come and line up at the back of his house, and he he had enough money. He hired, women to feed them.
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And he said What's his name, Peabody?
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Well, it was it had to do with Peabody, but his name wasn't Peabody. But Peabody was there. And what Peabody did, or Peabody was a kid that lived in Chicago back in the late eighteen hundreds, and he delivered he had a little job as a boy, had a cart cart, an old broken down horse, and he delivered coal to households. Mhmm. And he made money. Then as he got older, he said, well, Shucks, I can get a bigger wagon. And he got a bigger wagon and a team of horses, and he delivered coal to some businesses and homes. And then he said, well, Shucks, if I if I can if I owned a coal mine, I wouldn't be paying these middlemen to get me my coal, and I could sell it even cheaper. And so he got looking around buying, a coal mine, a a strip mine in Southern Illinois or Southern Indiana. He ended up buying one in Southern Illinois, and he he then eliminated the middleman. And then he went across the river down in Kentucky, and he of course, you've heard the stories of Muhlenberg County.
And, mister Peabody's mister coal train. Mister Peabody's coal train hauled away Muhlenberg County, they said down there. Peabody was a fellow that came from nothing, and he'd eliminated the middle man. And he he kept buying up coal mines, and he, of course, got and then he was producing coal for the steel mills in Hammond, Indiana, and Chicago, Illinois, and Cleveland, and other places. Well, but mister Peabody was a man that, was willing to help people, and he did and fed people. But that this wasn't Peabody. But he had the that that at that time, Peabody had moved on into Western Kentucky across the river from, Southern Illinois and Indiana.
And, he had had, he was making making his coal down there. Well, this fellow was in, Southern Illinois, and the big mine down there was the Zigler Mine in Franklin County. It was huge. And this fella had that mine. He sold it to a a Jewish fella named Zigler. Well, the here's the difference. So this fella was feeding the the the the starving people and giving them jobs, and, he was, he was an attribute to the community. Ziegler bought a mine later, and I don't remember how that happened, but he mounted machine guns at the mine head, four of them going in four different directions so that the men couldn't, if they they were trying to organize in unions, he mounted machine guns, and and he gunned men down and got away with it, by the way.
But it didn't that, we're resisting his will. He wasn't paying them anything. Now this is just the facts of history. You can go read about it, mister Ziegler. And then he brought scabs in. And I'm not for the the coal mining unions that put near they've destroyed coal mining, and a lot of the things happened. But at that time, he you know, if if a man that one fellow I was talking about I don't remember his name, but he was a staunch Christian and of the Presbyterian ilk. But he took care of the men that worked for him. But this fella came in and didn't.
Mhmm. That's the difference. And so the unionization began under John Lewis. John Lewis started right there. Right there. Really? Yeah. John Lewis's unionization movement started right there in Southern Illinois, and then he moved of course, organized. He moved over into, Western Kentucky, then up into Southern Indiana, and then on across Kentucky into the East Kentucky coal fields. And that's how John Lewis organized the coal mine, but it began there because of the abuses there. And, they were all they brought in that guy brought in China Chinaman from California to work in his mine, and they were eventually they were all gunned down. The violence got so out of hand in that particular coal field that there was another well, there was a gang there called the Shelton gang.
And there was five brothers. They they moved over from Kentucky, and they had a mother, and everybody called her Ma, Ma Shelton. And she set up her operation with her five boys there in Wayne County. And they they in the coal fields, they controlled all the liquor and the prostitution. Of course, those fellows in the coal mines always had a paycheck, and if they could somebody get their hands on the money, they get wealthy. Well, the Shelton brothers did. And the Shelton brothers, though, had a fellow working for him who was a immigrant from Russia. And his name was Charlie Berger, and he was a Jewish fella.
Charlie Berger. You can go look this up. Just type it in the Internet. You'll be amazed what you find. Well, Charlie worked for the Shelton gang. They controlled everything from Southern Illinois, cleaned up to Peoria. And the boys from Chicago, which been the the Capone's gang, they wanted control of the whole Midwest, as you know. What people don't know is Capone had a brother. See, they're from New York. Mhmm. He had a brother that worked at a stable on the North End Of Long Island, and that was that was out in the country. They had a lot of dairy farms. I've known people that worked on dairy farms on Long Island.
Well, his brother got to working in the stable, and he just that is Al Capone's brother. He decided he wanted to be a cowboy. He was all enamored with the West and the stories and, you know, all the radio shows and. So he went out, Kansas and, went to work as a cowhand. And then he became a gunslinging sheriff in a place not outside of Kansas City, I think it was. Maybe Nebraska, somewhere over there. So his bro here his brother was, organized Italian gangster in Chicago, who, of course, had nothing to do with the mafia because he he wasn't of that ilk. He was too low on the economic scale. You know? But his brother, his it's a fascinating story to read about his brother. His brother was he arrested he he he went to work as a revenuer for the feds.
What? And he was he was good at it. And, boy, him and this other fella teamed up, and they shut down more illegal liquor stills in Kansas City area and around while his brother, of course, was running liquor. And they they did some things together, but Capone wanted to control everything clear down to Kansas City and Saint Louis, and so he moved into Peoria. And, the Shelton brothers, they had, extended it up to Peoria. That's up on the Illinois River. And they said that you couldn't spit on the sidewalk in Peoria without getting permission from Maus Shelton way down at the other end of the state. Well, Capone wanted that business, so he said the the way to get it is to drive down to Wayne County and clean the Shelton boys' house. So he loaded up with his tommy guns and he shot guns in 12 gauges, and they went down to Wayne County. But what they didn't know, the Shelton boys loaded up with their Tommy guns and and, shot guns, and they drove up to Peoria and cleaned out Capone's boys, and they did.
And when Capone got to Wayne County, nobody was there. Oh, he didn't know what to do and didn't know anybody down in Hickville, so he went back up north. And then the Shelton boys had control of everything from Peoria clear to Cairo down in their neck of the woods. But Charlie Berger worked for them. Well, Charlie, he was a young immigrant from Russia that had joined The US, cavalry cavalry, not the cavalry, but the cavalry, and had served out west someplace in the Dakotas or someplace. Well, he got out, went to work for the Shelton boys, and then he ended up breaking off and becoming their competitor.
And he was pretty effective, and he bought a half track from Army Surplus. And he had a an airplane, and him and the Shelton's went to war. And on he had a and that's a true story. He he Charlie Berger and his airplane was the first instance of aerial bombing in the world. Really? Yeah. He had one of those old Jenny biplanes. Uh-huh. And he had a man in it. He had bombs on racks, you know, like they did in World War one. That's the way they started in World War one. But and they were bombing each other. He had that half track, and and the sheriff he had the sheriff in his pocket. Of course, Whoever could pay the sheriff the most in the in Williamson County down there, well, then, he would support them. Well, it got so bad down there that the people in Williamson County and and in that other county, I'm trying to think of the name of it, down there.
Well, any rate, they appealed to the governor for help because they were the they had no there were just a lot of murders going on. The Shelton's and the burgers Burger Gang were killing each other at such a horrendous rate. And he said, look. You got sheriffs down there. You know, talk to them. Well, that wasn't possible. Well, eventually, what happened was Charlie Berger was hung. He was the last man hung in Illinois as far as I know. He was hung at, at trucks in Franklin County at the courthouse, and the scaffold is still there. And just recently, I read no. I talked to somebody that was telling me from down there.
They said that that rope that Charlie was hung with you know, he was hung in 1928 or something, but his family sued Franklin County for the rope. They said that's our rope. And Franklin County said, no. Charlie didn't provide his own rope, which was the custom. You know? You provide your own rope for your own hanging if you want. But Charlie's last words on the scaffold were, they they brought a rabbi, Roger. They they they shipped a rabbi in. There wasn't any around there. They shipped one in from, Saint Louis and, asked him if he had anything to say. He said no. And he looked down at everybody looking up at him, and he said, he was a nasty man. I mean, he murdered people just of old people, elderly people.
You can't imagine the egregiousness of his crimes. But he looked down at everybody looking up at him, and he said, they asked him if they want a rabbi to pray, of course, and he I don't know whether he did or not. I don't remember that part. He said, goodbye, boys. Be good. He looked around, the birds were chirping, and he said, it's a beautiful day. And then the somebody said, where do you want us to bury you, Charlie? He said, I want you to bury me in a Catholic cemetery in Saint Louis, or as they say around there, Saint Louis. They said, why, Charlie?
You're a Jew. He said, because I know that the devil will never look for a Jew in a Roman Catholic cemetery. That was his that was his last words.
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I got off the subject. What were we talking about? I was talk I was talking about Colman. Yeah. Yeah. I was just mentioning this communist thing and the pivotal part of today, the way I see it and understand it. And,
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then you've launched off as you're apt to do on one of these great stories. Well, it had to do though with, the coal mines and the unionization under John Lewis, and it all started right there in Franklin County. And, the when I was well, I'm gonna go off on other things. But getting back to the point, I'm not worried, Roger, about what's gonna happen. The government doesn't control things in this country. And if people are armed, there won't be any problem, and they're supposed to be. Well And they are. They are. And you you've you've, from your start, you'd come out of her. You were born out of her, but, of course, the Bible tells us to come out of her. And Yeah. If you're living in one of those big cities that's potentially so volatile
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Yeah. I'm certainly sorry for you. And I don't know how long you've known about all these things, but if you've known a while about it and you haven't gotten out yet, shame on you.
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Yeah. It it it's good to get out. I I wanted to mention today, Roger, so many things come up. And my friend that encouraged me to we talked on the phone. He listened. He encouraged me to go through the declaration of 76. We started to here, but I said, no. That's not working the way I want, but we're going to teach a course on it. And so I want folk to go and sign up for that course. And in doing so, you'll help miss Francine, of course. And, we need, we need support, but sign up for it and and appreciation of a donation. And, we're gonna go through the declaration of seventy six six clause by clause and blow by blow. That's never done, but I've I've done it before, and I've written a book on it. But this time, I wanna make it more official and get it in the can, audio and visual. So come and take the course.
It's beginning maybe in a week or two. Go to the website commonlawyer.com, and you can find the course. But what I had purposed in my mind, Roger, if you're okay with the idea, we'll agree on it. I wanna talk about a fellow that passed away not too long ago that had has had a quiet but overwhelming influence in America and not to mention the rest of the world, and that was John MacArthur. Okay. The good, the bad, the good, the bad, and the ugly, if if that's a good idea. But, John and it's not that I was a personal friend to John MacArthur. I wasn't. But I was acquainted with him.
I was acquainted with his father, Jack. And I never knew his granddad, but his granddad, I know about. He was a Canadian. They were Canadian transplants. They moved from Canada. His grandfather, by the way, was, close associate with the Poet Laureate of Canada who wrote the book. I think she is the one that wrote it. Anne of Green Gables. Anne of Green Gables. She was a, I think, an Irish orphan girl that became very famous in Habakkuk over a hundred years ago in Canada. And she was orphaned, raised by a family that took her in back when orphans were coming from Ireland at such a tremendous rate. Nobody knew knew what to do with them, so they started farming them out to people on farms throughout North America, to work. They were abused, a lot of them, but some of them, a lot of them, at least they had a place to they had surrogate parents and and food, and some of them were treated very well. Some of them some of them weren't. But in any case, they avoided death and living on the streets. That's true.
And she was one of those girls that was, as they call him, Johnny Mac. That's what people used to call him. And I'd known him when he was just around forty forty years old is when I first met the man, John MacArthur. And, I followed him after that because he was catapulted into into the public light, or he catapulted himself and others helped him is what happened. And because I had known him, been around him, not good friends, I stressed, just acquainted, I couldn't help but follow what he was doing all his life. And I also knew, two other men that were classmates of his when he was in seminary, and that was, Josh McDowell.
Josh was from Michigan. And, I knew Josh, but I knew I know I should say I was acquainted with Josh and on friendly terms. Whether or not he would remember me, I don't know. I'm not famous, but he was, and so I remember him. And then the other fellow that I did know very well, more than acquaintance, another classmate of John MacArthur's, Johnny Mac, was, Donald MacDougall. And Donald MacDougall was a Canadian or, rather as he was from Scotland, but he spent a lot of time in Canada then married a girl from Oklahoma. And he became professor of New Testament Greek and and Indo European languages, later in his life. I think he's still around. Well, McDowell and McDougall are still around, but MacArthur is is gone. He passed away a couple of months ago.
Well, to to put the I suppose to not hide the ball, I remember I was with Donald McDougall when MacArthur was asked to be president of the college he became president of when we got the news. And, McDougall, McDougall, and MacArthur, and McDowell were all about fifteen years older than I was. In other words, when I was in my mid twenties, they were about 40. And, when I was in my mid twenties, McDowell was one of my professors. And, that was in Southern California, by the way. And, so people knew what was going on in the Christian academic community. And and Mac MacDougall said to me, he said, I can't imagine.
Now what's Johnny Mac gonna do? When you've reached the top at a young age and what of what you can do, there's nothing left. That was a astute observation, by the way. And I believe it's important in life that you don't get there too quick if you do get there. I do believe that. I think it's probably true too. I I don't think you appreciated in your younger age what you've achieved. Absolutely. Absolutely. I think that McDougall I did know another fellow that went to school and knew Johnny Mac. And, well, I'll talk about him later. Maybe he was a fascinating personality.
But I'm talking about Newman in the early days, but, McDougal made that comment, and I the rest of my life, I saw that. You You know, when you're 40, you're pretty young. And now looking back, I understand that. When I was 40, I didn't understand that. But looking back, I say, wow. A man can't know too much at age 40 compared to what he's gonna know when he reached 70, 80, and 90. You know? But or 60. Like s Lewis Johnson said, there'll be a law in this country against writing books before you're page 60. It will eliminate eliminate a lot of trouble in the world. I I know that's not possible, but I get his point. You know, he said it with tongue in cheek.
We don't wanna be led by people that are our children or too young. And that's one of the policies of our common law tradition, by the way. We, life is so so short. You know what? Common law, nobody was allowed to be a judge unless they were at least 45 years old, and for good reason. And 45 is still pretty young. Of course, you put a man on the bench like somebody appointed to the appellate court or the Supreme Court if a president or a governor wants to appoint somebody to a court. And at common law, it's a lifetime appointment for very important reasons. But you don't wanna appoint some guy that won't be there too long. You wanna appoint a guy that will have some influence. You know? And if he's got any sense at all, 40, 45, there have been some younger. Justice Story was about 32, I think, when he was appointed to the US Supreme Court. That's really young.
I don't care how sharp you are. I don't it makes no difference. There's just there are the most important things in life come with time. Yes. Period. Not logic. Not logic. Yep. How dangerous that is. But, but Johnny Mac, by the time he was 40, he'd he was worldwide famous. He was the president or the and became the chancellor of a university and, had started a a well known seminary. But what I observed, to study another man's life, just observe it. Who's ahead of you in years, about fifteen years in this case, has been a great help to me to and other men too. Not just him, but, McDougal, McDowell. There are a couple others. I watched them all. They were ahead of me. I was watching.
And, Johnny Mac, by the time let's go back again if I may. How did it all start? You know, Johnny Mac's father, was a Baptist. Johnny Mac was a Baptist. He didn't take the Baptist label, but that's what he was. Now his grandfather and his and his great grandfather were Presbyterians for obvious reasons, obvious ethnic reasons. But what Johnny Mac became as time went along, he was a Presbyterian. He was a Baptist, raised a Baptist, had was from a long line of Presbyterians. And then, he he put off the Baptist label but remained a Baptist. We were talking last week about how he, tried to justify the drinking of wine and tried to prove from history that the wine in the Bible was cut with water 20 to one.
Well, that's that's silly talk. But why did he do that? Because at heart, he was a Baptist. You know, there are two people in in what we call Christendom. There are two people no. Two groups, denominations that suffer from drunkenness more than any others. Two groups. And this was research that I'd done forty years ago, and maybe things have changed now. But forty years ago, this was the research that, this is what the research revealed to me. The two groups that are have suffered from alcoholism more than any other are the Roman Catholics and the Baptist.
Now I know there are different ilks of Baptist and the Romanist. But, of course, the Romanist, they they think, drinking is a sport. They're like John Wayne. No. Drinking's just a sport. Let's have fun. The Baptist, of course, they're teetotalers teetotalers. Well, what happens in that case? Well, they become drunk, so that's what happens. Not everybody, obviously, and I'm I'm not criticizing them. I'm I'm trying to be objective about it. I'm just reading the statistics on and draw my own conclusions. You know, you heard the story about the the Baptist, the the the the the truths that are unknown of the Baptist and the truths that are unknown are mysteries.
That that that the the truths that here's what I should say. The truths that the Romanist does not recognize and the truth that the Baptist does not recognize. The Romanist does not recognize the sovereignty of God in its absolute form. That's one of the things that he doesn't recognize. He doesn't recognize baptism by immersion. No. He didn't recognize that. He doesn't recognize, the absolute court of last resort in the Bible. No. He he recognized the pope, but he doesn't recognize the Bible that way. Well, then what is it that the Baptist doesn't recognize? The Baptist does not recognize another Baptist when he sees him in a liquor store.
That's the joke. Who's the least what what religion is the least likely to be an alcoholic, bro? I didn't look that one up. But here's what I was gonna say about that. I'm glad you mentioned it. I'd lost my way, and I'm driving at a point that I sometimes forget. But the point is that the Bible gives the proper view of liquor, not the Baptist, man made stuff about 20 to one, not John MacArthur, or the Roman Catholic that has oh, listen. I don't know. I've been in Roman Catholic farming villages where they've settled in America. And, you know, a little village of 500 people have seven or eight taverns. So who we kidding? These folk like to drink. Well, that they're in their religion, they're not again. But the Bible says this. We talked about it last week. The Bible says be not drunk with wine, drunk is the point, but be filled with the spirit.
We'd mentioned last time that Paul said to his protege, Timothy, he said, you're having trouble with your gastric system. Take a little wine for your stomach. Wine has medicinal purposes, always has had. Cleaning wounds, alcohol, it's what it is. Well but this drunkenness business, you're not to be filled with wine. You're to be allow the spirit of God who's in your body and in your organs and your your your members as it as it were. Allow it to have absolute freedom in your body. He's in there. The spirit of God is in there. He lives in there, the Bible says, but don't crowd him by being drunk. That's confusing. Well, that's the and when you read the Bible, you know to know some there's a difference between knowing about the Bible and knowing the Bible.
There are a lot of men that know about the Bible and know more than me. You know? I've met them. But those same men, some of them, don't know the bible. There's a difference between knowing about your wife and knowing your wife. When you get married to her, for been married fifteen, twenty years, and you're behind closed doors, you get to know her, and she gets to know you. But before you got married, you probably you might have known a lot about her. Oh, man. She's good looking. Oh, her hair, that that hair attracts me. Her eyes attract me. Whatever you know. She got nice legs. You know, whatever. She dresses nice. She likes to take a bath every day. Well, that's good stuff to know, but that's not knowing her. And the same thing is true of God himself.
And the only way to know God himself is to know his will, not know about it. Know it. And the only way to know it is to bury your brain in the Bible till your blood is bibbling And keep it there because you have a tendency to forget. And if you're not having a persistent intake of God's sentences, the records of his thought, you'll know him, less to the degree you don't do that. And that's why the Bible is given for that very reason. That's what we have. We don't know him. I had a guy tell me not long ago, a good friend, said, man, I don't read the Bible that much, but I have a rich prayer life. I said, I like you. With all due respect, that's impossible.
That is utterly impossible to have a rich prayer life without knowing something of the word of God and being hungry. Who you're praying to? Well, I don't know. But not on but prayer prayer fun that's a good point, Roger. Prayer is fundamentally swapping your your wishes for God's will, and that's what the word prayer in the New Testament means. It means to swap. And you can't know God's will unless you know his law. That's what his law is. The will of the sovereign, the will of the sovereign are his law. And that's the Bible. That's the record of what God likes, what he doesn't like, and the consequences thereof one way or the other. That's what it is. Cover to cover and lid to lid. God is not willing, said the Bible, says the Bible.
That's him his will, that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. That's what he desires. All of the the gospel itself is the will of God. Salvation by grace and not the work of the law is the will of God. Everything, the way things are and they ain't gonna change, that's the Bible. Well, coming back to Johnny Mac. Did Johnny Mac have that point of view? Well, his father, Jack, who's gone now, of course, too, he was, the first television preacher in Southern California, Los Angeles. He lived out in Eagle Rock, which is between Glendale and the San Fernando Valley, which is right near Burbank and North Hollywood.
And a very influential man because he was on television and he wrote every word of every sermon he presented. In other words, he had developed a skill, and he didn't want to say something that was wrong. He wrote it all down, wrote it out. By the way, Johnny Mac did that too. Johnny Mac, he never made a made a presentation in the pulpit that he wasn't reading from what he had written. And if you can develop the art, and politicians do it, of having your speech in front of you and lifting your head up and looking down and lifting up, you watch Johnny Mac talk. You'll watch him do that because he was careful. And there's nothing wrong with this, by the way, to never say anything that he had written. And he knew if he had written it like his father did, that he would that he would think it through better because what passes through Lid becomes a whole lot clearer in the head. It makes you think, friends.
That's that's the advantage, I think, of messaging and email that we have now. We think a little more, hopefully, before we write things down. But coming back to Johnny Macca and his father, Jack, Jack's influence was far and wide. And this all touches our lives in different ways. One of my, heroes growing up was Roy Rogers as a boy. I I didn't call him my hero. He's just somebody that I knew about. He was on the radio, and then he was on the television. And then while he was on the television, his show remained a radio show for quite a while. I was familiar with him both ways.
Well, Roy Rogers was converted to Christianity as a friend of Jack MacArthur. That's where he went to church, where where Jack preached. And Dale, of course. Dale had been married four or five times by that time, or some three or four, I don't know, quite a few. Before he married Roy, she was caught up in that whole Hollywood thing from way back in the nineteen thirties and and in that horrid lifestyle. Well, both of them were converted to Christianity. Roy Rogers was a hardcore Mason and a state of Mason, by the way. And, Jack MacArthur, or Jack's father, but Johnny Mac's grandpa was a Mason up in Canada. Whether or not his father was, I don't know.
I've heard Johnny Mac preach, in detail against Masonry. I don't know what the connection there was exactly. But I'm glad he preached what he did. If there's can be anything said about Johnny Mac that and I say this with all due respect. And by the way, Johnny Mac, when he'd get to talking about people that he thought were wrong, he he didn't withhold he didn't withhold himself to say so. He preached whole sermons on other people like Schuler of the Crystal Cathedral and, Joel Ophstein. He's a personality people know now. Many others. And if anybody went astray, that he thought they went astray, he went after them.
I don't wanna do that here. I don't think that's the I don't for me, I don't wanna do that. I I think I can point out where I disagree and, especially since a man's dead and gone. You know? Somebody said McGee said one time I heard him talking. He said, you know, a jackass kicked a lion once. A jackass kicked a lion once, but the lion was dead. So I don't wanna kick a dead man is what I'm saying. I don't know that that's exactly the best thing to do. And any jackass can kick down a barn, of course. I've I've seen jackasses try to do that. That doesn't mean they can build one.
So what Johnny Mac had a wide influence, but he wasn't alone. He had a group of people behind him that would make it happen and did make it happen. You know, if you if you support the nation Israel and you're a dispensationalist and you support, and just to put it in general, the Jews, if you're willing to say that Jesus Christ was a Jew, you'll probably be unmolested and your influence will grow if you're a public man like he was. Johnny Mac's grandpa wrote a book called a booklet. It wasn't a big book, but a booklet called With the Jew.
God is not through with the Jew. And Johnny Mac took the same position. And his dispensationalism, I I'm not opposed to that part of it. Well, what I disagree with, I say this, just for what it's worth, my studied opinion. I don't see anywhere a one wit of evidence that the people that claim to be Israel are Israel. We've talked about this before. In other words, is there an Israel out there, bodily blood descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob? Yes. Without question, there is. The Bible says there is. Well, who are they? But where do we look to discover who they are? Where is the evidence where anybody can say that I or this other fellow am now I can find plenty of people that say they're defend they're descendants of Jewish people. What does that mean? That means people that are votaries of Babylonian Judaism.
I can find that. But there's quite something else to say, I'm a blood descendant of so and so. You know? Is there any evidence that is reliable? Well, Johnny Max, never addressed I never heard him address that question. Just saying, well, you're Jewish then. Yeah. You're a descent. You follow Babylonian Judaism. You go to synagogue. Well, that means you're a descendant of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. That's pretty thin.
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Sure
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is. Yeah. I that's just a matter of fact, that's just downright silly, which is the English word, by the way. I like to use English words if I remember to. Silly is the English word for the Latin word absurd. Absurd. People don't like silly. They think it sounds extreme. It isn't. Absurdity means it's just senseless. I don't see any sense in it. Is there an Israel out there? Well, yes. There has to be. The Bible says there is. Is God through with Israel? No. He's not. The Bible's pretty clear the way I read it. I can see it. The blood descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, God's not through with. Well, so is the Johnny Mac's grandpa's book correct? Yeah. Johnny Mac's grandpa's book correct. But who are they? Now let's get to that point. So Johnny Mac, young boy growing up as a fundamentalist Baptist, His dad wanted him to mount something, of course.
And so sent him off to college at Bob Jones Bob Jones in South Carolina, at that time, Bastian of the Neo Confederacy. Mhmm. If your skin was the wrong color, you couldn't go to school there up and through the nineteen eighties. Bob Jones, the old man, then Bob Jones the second, they both said, no. This is a white man's school, and white men are in charge white men are in charge here. That was the Southern Baptist. Well, he wasn't Southern Baptist, but that was when the the Baptist in the South broke off, that was their position. There are two races of men, and we don't mix. Well, Johnny Johnny Mac, his dad, wanted to send him to school there, hardcore Baptist school.
Well, he was in a gospel quartet and, wanted to do what he wanted to do. And what he wanted to do more than anything else was be a professional baseball player or professional football player. Well, he wasn't big enough to be a professional football player, and he did try it when he came back out to California. He went to school at Azusa, but I don't think he ever got anywhere with it. Then he wanted to be a professional baseball player. By the way, folk, if you live in a an urbane world, and that's what Johnny Mac is, he's an urbane man. You live in an urbane world, it's there's a good chance that manhood will be defined according to sports.
And that's a poor definition of manhood, by the way. Mhmm. Very poor. Matter of fact, it's an effeminate definition. I don't care how tough these guys are. That's just silly. Again, there's that word, silly. That's absurd. That's not manhood. Manhood is not an urban idea. And but if you're in that environment, that's all you got. How do you prove your manhood? You see, manhood and the history of all of Adam's race, men, the male of the species, have had to have and have always had, an entry point into manhood. The female of the species has never had that. What they've had, of course, traditionally, though, in the Western world, a coming out, they call it. I had a friend.
I think I told you about him. He used to do a lot of cases with him. He was, his great grandfather was Abraham Lincoln's secretary of war.
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Stanton?
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Stanton. Yeah. And his name this guy's name was Lewis Stanton. He's named after your great granddad. And by the way, the family, hated that man because they saw what a scoundrel he was. He was a very sophisticated but brutal man. That's what he was. Brutal. Beyond beyond anything that's Christian. Well, any rate, but his other granddad was sec assistant secretary of the Navy back in the nineteen twenties. So his he was a German immigrant, by the way, on the other side of the family. And he, being like the German people, they're pretty pretty good with engineering, and he started a shipyard down in New Orleans.
And, he became assistant secretary of the Navy. Well, his daughter, my friend's mother, when she was a young woman I'd never heard of this, but he showed me the newspaper article where and you might know the name of this. It's where the young woman has a coming out, and they were in the influential society down there. And it's a French custom, though I understand it, Roger, that when you're a young woman, you have a big celebration, a young woman, where she comes out into the open as a woman. Spanish also.
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Yeah. We have it. It's called c c c c c c, It's called, Cumpleanos. Yeah. Quince. Quince Cumpleanos.
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That's fifteenth birthday. And this? You would not believe
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how the mother or the parents of that daughter save and put on a to do for that event.
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Well, that's what this was for in the French form of it. It's a Roman church doctrine. The French form down there, but it's part of the culture. And, the girl, though here's the point of the girl doesn't have to prove herself. She just gets to be 15, and she blossoms like a flower. But the men aren't that way. No place in the world have they been that way. No men get to a certain age. They gotta prove themselves. It's just not a matter of coming out in a blossom. No. You gotta do something manly and show that you got what it takes. See? And so if you're in an urban world, you can do that through sports.
Mhmm. In the old days, we were a member if a boy who reaches a certain age is a member of the militia, he has to muster and show his medal, prove his medal. There are other ways that men do it. In the gangs, in the urbane sense, in the streets, you gotta join a gang. You gotta commit an act of violence. That's the perversion of it. See? But by the way, that's why the militia is is so important in our common law tradition that is that needs to be, of course, revitalized. That men have to have that, friends. It's not a matter of, oh, it's a good idea if they do it. No. No. No. They got to, or they'll turn into little queer boys. That's the way it works. I
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think with this MS thirteen bunch, and they just captured the leader, the the guy that started it the other day up in Chicago. He's headed back to El Salvador. But their, and and some of their machismo rituals, if you will, are the take
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murder somebody publicly with a machete and cut their extremities off. I mean, that kind of thing. Yeah. This is the non Christian they're driven to it. You you're not gonna take men and say they're not gonna do this. They're gonna do it. They're gonna find a way to prove their manhood to their homies. That's what's gonna happen because God wired men that way. But if there's not the Christian balance of it, the biblical point of view on it, then it's gonna go into perversion, not only for the men, but for the women when they have their coming out. That's what's gonna happen. And it is
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yeah. Can you wanna thumbnail that right now? Because you're about five minutes away from the top of the hour. I know Paul likes to have you come in. We're gonna lose some stations, I think, at the top of the hour, some platforms. Thank you. If you'd give, give give the audience away a little bit about you and your website, please, Brent, and we can pick up the thumbnail on the other side.
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Thank you much. This is Brent. Brent Allen Winters. Commonlawyer.com. Www.commonlawyer.com. And this is, of course, common lawyer comments here with Roger Sales on Roger Sales Radio Ranch. And we're talking about, as always, trying to stress, and we'll continue to try to stress, the distinction between the law of the land, our common law tradition, a Christian tradition, and the law of the city, the civil law tradition, the urbane tradition. The law of the land versus the law of the city. This spells the history of mankind. There are no other points of view, by the way. There are only two possibilities, and you're either tending toward the one or toward the other. Nations, the same way, tending toward the one or toward the other. Go to commonlawyer.com.
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We want our we're we're British too, and we want our common law tradition. A right to keep and bear arms. You're saying we can't do that either. That's part of our common law tradition. The right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures. You're using the writs of assistance. We're gonna that's all our declaration of 76. You want to understand our common law tradition. That's got to be the best textbook on the subject if it's unpacked. We've have courses on Magna Carta, clause by clause, and blow by blow. You can take those courses. Now we're doing this declaration of 76, and that's the way you learn your common law tradition, our common law tradition. Well, you need to you need to add that you do it with somebody else. You just aren't winging it here. You got a pretty good Good. Able assistant.
Yeah. Able assistance that puts the boots on the ground and puts the rubber to the road. Sheriff Darleaf Sheriff Darleaf of Barre County, Michigan has been my ever present co presenter in these courses, and that makes all the difference in the world. It's one thing to have a lawyer be teaching and tell you what the books say. It's quite another to have the influence of a of a man that set his boots on the ground for over twenty years as sheriff. He's seen everything as you can imagine. Isn't he the longest serving sheriff in the country? Didn't I hear you say that a few weeks ago? I I'm gonna look. I don't know. I know he served as long as anybody else. Of course, they keep having him back. That that's a good sign.
And he is interested
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in the common law, has been all of his life. Yeah. We had him on the show one day. We got conjured him up, and y'all called him, and he came on for a while. Really nice guy.
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He sees the importance, and he's measured in the way he does it. You know, how do you approach this subject without being a rabble rouser and trying to kick down the barn? And he knows how to do that. As sheriff, he has learned. He's got to get along with folk, and he does. And and but he understands the difference between our law of the land and the law of the city.
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And, by the way .com. The hierarchy of Michigan is not too fond of him.
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Oh, no. They they've, tried to get him. They've tried to indict him with a federal grand jury. They're they're they're breaking they're breaking themselves on the law, though. They can't break the law, they like to say, but they are breaking themselves on it. It's getting worse. And he he how do you do that? See, he there have been a lot of fellows in the Trump administration go gone and been thrown in federal prison, and there have been people like me. I've been thrown in a couple of times. But how and that's because I was learning how to navigate. It's a brutal world out there. You can't just do, hey. Well, I'll just do what the law said. No. It doesn't work that way.
You gotta be wise about how you go about resisting. That's what I'm saying. How do you do that? Well, you do what Jesus Christ tells you to do. That's what you do. Well, commonlawyer.com. Back back to commonlawyer.com. Thank you, Roger.
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Yeah, Brent. Guys.
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I the new new people do not know what a natural resource Brent is and how pleased I and the rest of our family are here to have you on a regular basis. Join us, Brent, and pontificate on some of these things. Paul is chomping at the bit. What you got, buddy?
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We actually don't have any platforms that we're dropping off of, but we did not mention them at the beginning of the show, so I'm gonna do that real quickly now. Eurofolkradio.com is brought to us by pastor Eli James, and we thank him very much for that. Tuesday through Friday, we're on radiosoapbox.com and Paul English of Paul English live fame and radiosoapbox.com. And he brings us that platform. We're also on Global Voice Radio Network. That is radio.globalvoiceradio.net. And that is also where you will find a list of, previous programs and the archives and transcripts and everything else.
Our website is thematrixstacks.com. If you're on Rumble right now, you can see that in the upper right hand corner of Roger's picture there in the upper left corner of the screen. The matrixdocs.com, where you can find the links to free conference calls so you can join us live on the show. Another announcement, today is the last day to go to commonlawyer.com, click the donate button, and send in your $30 for the trust class that will be starting this coming week. Yeah. This is, I'm I mean, I had 70 peep 70 some odd people express interest in it, but, we don't have near that many people that have actually pulled the trigger and gotten on there to pay for it. And I want everybody to be able to start the program with everybody else at the beginning. So,
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and just for new people that might not understand, Brent's specialty is trust, by the way. We've got our our paralegal, Mark. He he he's, did a trust class, and, they were concerned that some of the people couldn't afford it that might wanna utilize this vehicle. It's a wonderful vehicle. And so, I'm not sure what the price is you've got it down to, Paul, but you can learn about trust and do a point where you can write your own.
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It's $30. Partially.
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Pardon me. Go ahead, Paul. $30. I wanted to just give you an example. We had a gal, Robbie, one of our regulars, and I don't know, a year and a half ago or so, she wrote me an email. I was like, could you have Brent Preece point us toward an attorney who would, could write a trust? And we posed that to Brent and he came back and said, well, you need to learn about trust because you're gonna go out and pay an attorney 22,000 or more. And if you don't understand, trust her, you're putting putting all your goodies in there. So you better understand how they operate and what he's writing for you. And, so that's where a lot of this, started. And, so that's what we're doing is putting everybody together in a trust you out class. I believe Mark's gonna be involved too.
And, but Brent's gonna teach it, and you can write your own trust. And then at least if you go pay somebody to do it, you'll know what they're doing with your goodies. So, that's the reason for this, and it's come to a head here. We've talked about it for a while. And today's the last day, Paul says. So go to commonlawyer.com and go to the donate button there. And and what else how do you follow-up on that, Paul? You go to commonlawyer.com.
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You click on the donate button. Send a donation for $30. Put in your name and your email address. And then click on the contact button and send a follow-up email to, I think it's, Brent. What is what is the main email address there on the website, Brent?
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Can you hear me? Yes. Yeah. A lot of them there. I I don't know. But if you go there, I know you can just click a button and email. I don't know. Alright. You just just click the button,
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and in the body of the email, just say, give your name, your email address, and, that you're you just sent a donation for the Radio Ranch Trust Group. Radio Ranch Trust Group. Folks. And then, I believe her name is Joy.
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She'll, she'll put you on the spreadsheet. She'll send that spreadsheet to me, and then I will populate all the fields that I need to populate. And we'll just And let me tell you what there have been since I got into this movement thirty years ago. There have been people traveling all over the country, hawking and trust, charging you 2,000 plus dollars, and they don't really I don't think most of them understand what they're doing, but Brent does. And so sort of opportunity, I encourage you to, look into it if that falls into your purview.
Okay. Brent, I made a comment a minute ago about other people and alcoholism. You will very rarely ever see a alcoholic Jew.
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Okay.
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Okay? I mean, like in AA in circles and stuff? Yeah. Rares in his teeth. K? For whatever reason, it's, of course, a weapon they've used against us, they're famous for in Europe. So, anyway, that's, the interruption. Sorry to get us off track. We had to do that. And if you can remember where we were thumb thumbnailing to, we can go back there or we can go off. So you were talking about Johnny Mac and and that whole contingent.
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Uh-huh. I don't know. I wanna go ahead. Go ahead. Okay. Okay. Well, I wanna mention also
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if you're done. Are you done? Well, I there's, Ferris is gonna wants to get in. Ferris, what do you got? Be nice.
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You know, I'm always nice, and I'm always No. I don't I don't know that. No. But you can say that. Here is. But, I wanted to follow-up on something, commonlawyer.com Brent Allen Winter said earlier in the program. He was citing the female of the species and certain attributes, and he mentioned legs. And I am the consummate leg man. And I wonder if Brent has any idea why the legs of the female of the species are so compelling to the male of the species. And another topic later would be, whether he's ever researched the the aspects of a kiss and what is involved with that and why it's so exhilarating.
But first of all, the you know, I mentioned Sid Charisse as having the greatest legs of any female that ever walked. And if you go to YouTube
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Okay. I do believe that a moderator just stepped in and squelched him. I would like to ask a question. Why do we constantly entertain his sexist, divisive comments that have absolutely nothing to do with what we do? I agree. Every single time we allow him to talk, he is like playing Russian roulette. You don't know when it's gonna happen, but you know it's gonna have a horrible ending eventually.
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Well, five out of six people say that Russian roulette's perfectly safe, Paul. So Exactly.
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So why do we even acknowledge him and allow him to say one
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word? Why? Because I'm an equal opportunity employer.
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Okay. Well, maybe maybe I should share the the free conference call attendees list with Zoom so you can see the people crash and burn and leave the program whenever he opens his mouth. Because we lose I don't like that. We lose anywhere between three and six of them every single time he opens his mouth. You've you've,
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I don't know what you've done. You I've never seen anybody disrupt a program like Ferris. Who was trying to say something there? You might as well talk to everybody.
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Yes? Yeah. I just had
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a comment, Georgia, Idaho about women's coming of age. Like with our daughters, we always try to make sure that they know how to keep the home. Keeping the home. Yeah. It's one thing to blossom and be beautiful and all that. And that's obviously, you know, for for men and women, it's a period of our life that we're that way. But, you know, having the character and the and the qualities to maintain the home, to have a heart for children, to propagate the family line, is as important as the, you know, the man learning about his legacy that, you know, as he passes on to the generation. So I think, you know, getting beyond the legs and getting beyond the blossom and and and all that.
You know, there's character things for both men and women as they, come of age. I yield.
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Thank you, George. Was that Larry trying to say something? I think Larry was in there too. Yeah. He's yeah. Can you hear me? Yes, sir.
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Yeah. You piqued my curiosity. It says the, I look so I looked it up. The longest serving sheriff is Colt Colin Talton junior, who served Houston County, Georgia for over fifty years. Halston. And to be exact, it was, Colin
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I think they pronounce that as
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I think they pronounce it Halston, but go ahead.
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Oh, okay. He served 13 terms since 1972, amassing fifty one years, nine months, and nineteen days of service. Touton was elected in 1972 and was sworn in on 01/01/1973. He passed away on 10/20/2024. And get this, at the age of 92, I yield.
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Thank you, Larry. Houston County. Okay. Anybody else wanna say something? Or we're gonna I'm gonna turn it back over to Brent and let him take us where he will.
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I just wanna add that the the American, slash French, coming of age celebration is the debutante
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ball. That's it. That's right. Thank you, Paul. I and then when you said it, then I recognized it when Stan used to tell me about it. Yeah. But the point being not to miss it again, women become because they are, a r e. Men feel compelled, and others want them to prove themselves. They do not accept them. Otherwise, that's the way god made it. That's the way it is, but we find ways. You're again, if you're in an urban culture, you're gonna find an urban way to do it, and it's it's not good. Not good. And sports is not the measure of manhood just because you can do this or that or the other. Well, there is a measure of manhood. The bible sets it out clearly.
And the measure of manhood is this. I'll put it in a nutshell. Again, I for what it's worth, I did give you my testimony after soaking the bible for many decades in an intense way. Manhood is measured fundamentally by this, that you don't follow a woman. That's how it's measured. When you're young, you obey your mother. You obey your mother. And when you're older, if you get married, you listen to your wife and she knows things you don't and can see things you don't and you listen to her. But never forget that you cannot delegate your responsibility called discernment of decision making as impossible.
God whatever God gives directly to you, you cannot re delegate. There are some things that come to you like a sheriff. A sheriff has a delegation from authority which ultimately finds its source in God, but it didn't come to him straight from God. It came to him by the members of the militia of his county choosing him. That's and that kind of a delegation can be redeligated. You see? That's why he has deputies. And every deputy in our in our common law tradition has all the authority that the sheriff has to do what, to do what he has to do.
He's still under the authority of the sheriff. Yes. Because the sheriff delegated to him, but he has all the authority to do all of the things our common law tradition give a sheriff to do. But that's different. Of course. Now when God delegates something directly to you as father, as husband, as man, There's no redeligation of anything. You can't That the law doesn't allow that and that's true in our common law tradition from top to bottom. You you can't escape that responsibility. You will answer to God for your manhood and at bottom, you do not follow a woman. I had somebody say to me the other day, well you listen to them. Oh yeah, I got friends. Female friends. I listen to constantly. They're just smart people but that doesn't mean that that that they will answer for the decisions that God has given me to make.
That's the point I'm making friends and if you don't listen to your wife, you're an idiot. Listen to her. As I said, she Her logic is her domain by the way. Better than you, faster than you. She doesn't even know how fast it is. It's like a computer. It's so fast we we don't even call it logic. We call it instinct. That's the way God has wired her brain. Mhmm. But the discernment to make the decision is yours, not hers. Yeah. Has to be. And, you may agree with her. I agree with my wife. Been doing it for fifty years. I agree with her a lot because she's well, she but there are times when I say no. I got it. I don't and it's not important. When it comes to discernment within your scope of authority, man, it's not as important that you make the right decision because there are many right decisions within the scope.
It's just important that you choose. You don't know always the right decision any more than the quarterback knows what play to call. He makes a discerning judgment. That's what he does. And he decides which play he will call. The important thing once he calls it, he can't stop in the middle and say we're not carrying this on through to the end. No. Once the the play starts, you back it and you move it on and you finish it. That's the way you win. Same thing is true in war, by the way, and the same thing is true in peace in your family. You make the decision. It's more important your children see you, that you make the decision. You follow through that it than it is that you are absolutely right in your decisions as long as it's a lawful decision.
Lawful. It has to be lawful. Yes. And that's the measure. And that's why in the Bible, it starts and it says, and this governs all of the Bible. What what happened to our grandpa Adam in the garden? We hear God coming to him and said, because you did this, he talks to the other woman. And she said, well, the the snake beguiled me, hornswoggled me. Was that true? Yeah. That was true. She got hornswoggled. She really didn't know that she was doing something wrong. That's what the bible says, and the new testament says that. But Adam, he knew from the jump it was wrong. And then God said, because you followed your wife. I'm quoting the bible.
You can do what your wife thinks right as long as you think it's right. That's my point. You've got to make the decision. The same thing is true of a Discernment is the mark of a free man. Discernment, The ability to choose within the scope of his authority. That's freedom. A slave doesn't have that. If you're not a Christian man, you're not born from above. You don't have freedom to do anything but choose evil. Between you, this evil or that evil, but you cannot choose Christ. Not possible unless you're born from above because your eyes are are blind, your ears are plugged, and your brain is not enlightened. That's not me saying that. That Jesus Christ said that more than once. That's why he said, let him that has ears hear. Well let me come back to this trust course. A Christian man's relationship with God is his religion.
His religion are the terms the terms between him and his God. Those terms are fundamentally defined by a trust settlement, the common law trust settlement. That's what the Bible is. The Bible is a set of writings that unpacks that trust settlement. Beginning way back in the beginning in the garden of Eden, coming through to Abraham chapter 12 and chapter 15, the the cutting of the covenant as we'd call it, cutting, the indenture. That's a fascinating word in our common law tradition. Used to when people two men made an agreement, there wasn't any paper. They didn't have it. They didn't have, vellum and cow hides and stuff like that, sheepskin. It was very expensive.
And so and they make an when they cut a trust settlement, one man be trustee of property land, another one would be the beneficiary. They would copy the exact same thing on one piece of vellum, one piece of sheepskin or goat skin. So you'd have a copy of side by side, and they would take a knife or a razor and they would cut a serrated edge between the two so the two were separate and cut a very intricate serrated edge, very crooked, but a lot of a lot of cuts in it. And then if anybody had any question whether what the agreement was, they could bring those two together and say, well, I've got a true copy and you've got a true copy. Look, the the serrated edges match. And that was called to indent indent the edge.
Indent the edge, and then the those two documents were called indentures. And in trust law, in trust law, ever since, for centuries now, and even yet today, we call a trust document an indenture for that reason. We don't indent them anymore, but that's what we call them that because of the historic habit of doing that. I knew a professor at a major Midwestern university that had one of those ancient indentures hanging on his wall in a frame. Rather fascinating. That was, yeah trust indenture. So we're coming back to the trust. We're working now. We got those courses and then you can write your own. But I've discovered that's not working the way I wanted to. And it's I don't know that I'd advise it. If you're gonna do a trust, you can write your own, of course.
No law against it. I mean, it's good to have counsel. What I'm doing now is putting together a trust document that is generic that can cover the matter, and all you have to do is fill in the blanks if that's what you want. Mhmm. But I spent my time, Roger, early on, thirty five years ago, Thirty? That's whatever. Twenty five, thirty, thirty. Thirty five thirty five years ago. What's that? I was gonna say don't count, Brent. Yeah. But starting with trust, because I like trust, and I had a had a had a teacher that was, into that, also a comparative lawyer, common lawyer. He's the fellow I told you about, a prosecutor of Nuremberg way back in the when he was in his thirties.
And, he spent his life in comparative law, and trust law goes along comparative law really well. If you're interested in one, you're often interested in the other. I was interested, and I got into it. Well, back in the nineteen nineties, the federal government was at war with anybody that established a trust.
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Especially the IRS.
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Yeah. And had been since Henry the eighth. Now that's tapered off quite a bit, by the way. But, if you just established a trust as a lawyer, you took a chance of going to jail. Well, I did a lot of that, but then the people that had trust would come to me and they'd want defense against the government because the government was trying to throw them in jail. I had one client that was a doctor, and he happened to be a Lutheran. I'm not a Lutheran, but even Lutheran. He would go to the Amazon Basin every year and do medical work for nothing. It was part of his Christian ministry. And, he funded that trip.
He had a big chunk of money, it was somewhere under a million dollars he'd put into a I call that the engine. That it create wealth, you know, that it would invest it. It would grow. And, the money that that made, he would use to go down to the Amazon Basin to these people out in the jungle that didn't have any medical help, and he would doctor them. Well, he had that and the IRS came after him, said it was a sham. It was a trust. What it was, they put it in the trust. They called them a charitable trust, in this case, a charitable trust. Now the enforcer of a the beneficiary of a charitable trust is the public.
That's the beneficiary. Because the beneficiary is the public, whatever that means, and the law defines that, because the beneficiary is the public, the beneficiaries don't have responsibility to enforce the trust. If you establish a trust, the beneficiaries are the natural enforcers of the terms of the trust. If anybody goes off, they have standing to go into court and stop them. But a charitable trust, what about as we say, what belongs to everybody belongs to nobody. If you make the public the beneficiary, nobody's gonna enforce it. So at common law, for centuries, if there's a trust, there's a common law doctrine, by the way. There are no trusts in the rest of the world.
But our common law has always said the attorney general of the sovereign enforces the trust on behalf of the public. That's the law. In America, it always has been. So if you're in a particular state, the attorney general of that state enforces the charitable trust of that state and it comes to his attention. Well, in this case in this case, it came to the attorney general of the state's attention because the IRS had confiscated all the money. They just froze all the bank accounts, said this is not a trust and we're gonna send you to jail and all that. And so the attorney general of the state who I have I got to know when I was in politics, we were running at the same time. He came in and in the court and put an injunction against the federal government and told them to unfreeze the, to unfreeze the funds and turn them over to him because he was the, he had jurisdiction.
Stopped him cold. Cool. That man did not go to jail. His son was a congressman by the way, that that Lutheran pastor's son. He ended up in an awful mess, but that's another subject. Boy, the crazy things you see. But I'm just making the point about the trust. Well, I ended up defending people in the grand, not before the grand jury because you're not allowed to go into a grand jury. But I'd sit outside and I would help people that were being trying they were trying to take the money out of their charitable trust and their other trust and it got more intense. And then they said, we gotta get Brent out of the way. That's how that happened. So they came after me because I was impeding their they wanted to prosecute. And, trust had been precious to me because of that. Because I've learned about them early from Bill Frat Fratcher, and then I I handled them, and I drafted them.
And I have a deep conviction about them for this reason. Among other reasons, they're very valuable, but they're a trust is what defines our relationship to our God. That's what the bible is. And what what our forebears call the covenant of God is a trust settlement. And you see the all of the indispensable parts of it in the bible. It's all there. And the whole bible and the coming, the first coming of Jesus Christ, it's all about us, enforcing and establishing that trust relationship. And it all has to do with the land the lord your god has given you and the prototype of the land that the lord god gave to the descendants of Abraham through Isaac and Jacob.
That's what he's done. And he says he had divided the bible, divided the land among the tribes and the towns and the nations and in all under that trust settlement. That's why it's important to me. But if you go to here's what I ask people to do. If you're interested in a trust, you go to the website commonlawyer.com. I don't have time to and I don't I don't keep the website. I'm behind. I don't know what's there. I have to go look. It was supposed to be there. We're gonna try to get it there. The trust document that you can obtain there. So you can have the trust document. And the book that I'm writing, I've about got it done on trust. It's not a it's a booklet, but trying to go through the fundamentals. Then we have the two courses you can take on how to draft a common law trust and the other one just about a common law trust. What is it? So you understand it. And, if you want a common law trust, you can go there and be watching. I think it's there now. I don't know. I'll have to look, but it'll be there soon. If it's not, you can obtain the trust document and the book that goes with it. And you can establish your own common law trust. And there's a lot more to it than people understand in most all cases. As one famous trust and common lawyer, Well, his treatise starts out on the first page, and it says that the common law trust is mysterious to most lawyers and judges as is the doctrine of the Trinity.
Yeah. And that and that's true because all of our common law is that way. Our common law is not about logic. It's about fact. Whether you can explain it, great. If you can explain it, that's fine. But if you can't, it's still true. And a lot of things in this world that are true that we don't understand. That's why we say our common law is based on logic and the law of the city is based or our common law is based on fact, the law of the city on logic. Roger, go ahead. I was just gonna add for some of the new folks that is what my teacher, John Benson, told us. I mentioned it on here often. The battle we Brent said it in different way today.
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The battle we fight now today on Halloween of twenty five is the battle that's been fought since the beginning of time, and that's Lex Rex, the law of the king versus the common law.
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Yeah. And we ought to drop a footnote about Halloween and all all souls day just quickly, if I may. Sure. Sum sum it all up. Sum it all up. There's not much to say. It all comes back to worshiping the dead, which the Bible forbids. Yeah. That's it. You know, that that it was set aside as a time to pray for the dead. Why would you wanna pray for the dead?
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And and here here they do that tomorrow.
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Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, I get it. And that's all about purgatory, friends. It's all about how the the wrong can control you by making you fearful about your dead relatives. That's what it's all about. But they're dead. They're gone. There is no communication. There is no purgatory. It's not in the Bible anywhere. That's all made up, but it's a way to control people. If I can make you fearful about, oh, tell you're you had a scoundrel for a father and a mother, and you don't know if they're in heaven or hell, then if I can tell you, you pay the priest and he'll do some things, you can start working them out of hell. Of course, you'd do that if you were foolish enough to believe it. But listen, you don't know where people are when they die. You don't know their heart. Don't worry about it. They may may be the people you think are in hell or in heaven and vice versa.
You don't know, but we do know this. Jesus Christ made the point. You can't communicate. You can't go over there. You don't know what's going on on the other side of death. But he said, let the dead bury the dead.
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I know one thing. Walk away from death. Live your life. These people that have near death experiences Uh-huh. None of them wanna come back. Who was, wanting to say something there?
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Bory. Bory.
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I I I got a comment for Brent. Brent Go ahead, Bori. How, good morning. Good morning, Brent. I wanna know something. How people gonna go to hell or to heaven without a judgment day?
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I ew. Well, no. Thank you for asking. This is an important doctrine. All the things you're talking about, I wasn't getting into the details. There is that's right. There is a judgment. And right now and we await that after death. And the the Bible lays all this out. It's all there. And that's why we have the doctrine of the Bible of Sheol. You know, there are different words translated hell, and they all mean different things. So the whole there are some people who tell hell doesn't exist. You know? They talk about that. But you're right. But we have to go through the data, the evidence of the Bible, and put it together, and it it all plays out properly. That is true. And there is a judgment. And but the god god has already judged the man that's not born from above. The Bible tells us he's already condemned to death. There there's that judgment. There are all those things are true, but I don't I don't personally wanna go into that right now. Although it's important question, I know you're thinking ahead of me and you're asking questions and everything I say is gonna beg another question. Everything the Bible says begs another question. I'm just trying to repeat what it says. So you're right about that. But there is but there is
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Who's turning pages? Who's turning pages? Please mute.
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To be absent from the body, said Paul the apostle, is to be present with Yahoah, the Lord. That's what he said. Now how do we put that together? Well, you gotta go back and put it together if that's what you wanna do. But just understand, of course, there's a judgment. The man that is not born above the judge already. And everything is from is is an is an eternity after in God's eyes. And you can, you get a sense of that when you read Romans. He who has been chosen already before the foundation of the world shall be glorified, shall be justified. There no is or no has been, past tense, justified and glorified.
Romans chapter eight. You can go read all that there. But right now, I don't wanna go there as much to say, look. Let's don't worry about that as much. Let's worry about right now. That's what god wants us to do. Redeem the time and know that he wants us to do his will now, and it is our natural inclination to do that once we're born from above. We don't have to worry about it. We're gonna wanna do it. What I'd like to do though is just make the point if your your understanding of your relationship with God comes through understanding the common law trust because that's what the Bible presents.
All the elements of it are there, and we teach it and wanna provide for you. Well, let me get back to Johnny Mac. Can I do that, Roger? Yeah.
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I think so. I don't believe there's anybody else in queue. I would like when we get a chance to if we have the opportunity to,
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see if anybody has questions or comments. Thank you, Bory. Go ahead, Brent. I'd like to get back to Johnny Mac too. Oh, okay. Well, I'd I'd shut it down now. I'll let people talk if that's what it was not like we're in a hurry when Lord willing maybe come back next week. But Johnny went to Bob Jones, and he got in. He was in a gospel quartet trying to just do what a man does in a Baptist culture, although he didn't wanna be a preacher. And he got into a horrible car accident going with his friends. By the way, one of the men in the gospel quartet with him was a a fellow whose father was Jewish, and his name was David Hawking.
And David Hawking is still alive. Okay. David Hawking, his father was Jewish. He was from Long Beach, California. His father worked in the oil field there as well. I understand it. Great big fella, six and a half feet tall. Yikes. Yeah. Big man, still alive. But, King Jamer, majority text fella, and a, a promoter of Israel, of course, very much. That's him. That's Hawking. But he was with him. They got in a car accident, and Johnny Mac went sliding down the highway, thrown out of the car, went sliding down the highway highway on his back for about 75 yards or 40 yards or some long distance. Two yards would be too far, you know. Yes. Ripped his backside up pretty bad, as you can imagine.
He spent a lot of time in the hospital, and his father was concerned about him. That's Jack. And so his father went to his friend, a Jewish fellow, a professor, by the way, named Charles Lee Feinberg. All these personalities go into this. Charles Lee Feinberg was a Jewish man that grew up in an Orthodox Jewish family in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. And I heard I heard him tell this story personally for what it's worth. This is secondhand information, but I believe it to be true. I heard him say it. He told the whole story. I was sitting right there. And what he said was this, when he was 14 years old, he was already studying to be a rabbi in Philadelphia. His father was orthodox in business.
Late one summer night it was hot and humid and he heard an awful commotion. Well, not an awful. It was a nice commotion, singing noise, and he looked off into the human distance, and he saw lights, lots of lights. And he ventured near. And he saw a giant tent and a few thousand people. And he got closer, and he saw a man on the stage jumping over the furniture and doing all sorts of antics and talking and very theatrical. Well, it was Billy Sunday. And he was fascinated watching him. Billy Sunday had been a professional baseball player. Some of you know the story. He'd get on this on the stage while while he was preaching. He preached evangelistic meetings. He was the Billy Graham of the nineteen twenties and thirties.
And he would he'd come running across the stage and make a point, and he would slide in home. He'd get down and just slide across the stage like he used to do when he played baseball. Really? Yeah. He was very theatrical. And, but he was good, good communicator. He had about a 100 about right at a 100 sermons that each he had he never preached more than those 100 sermons, and he had each one of them honed to a fine point. Every word, every emphasis, every antique, you know, all the same. But when you're traveling, you can do that. So you don't have to and, by the way He wasn't wasn't television yet. No. No. And he his father was a a veteran of that horrible war between the North and the South.
And, he grew up in an orphan's home, I believe. I you go check. I don't remember what it was, whether his father was killed or went crazy or whatever. But somehow, he grew up in an orphan's home. Maybe it was an orphan's home for veterans. I don't remember. You have to go look it up, but he came became a professional baseball player, and Charles Lee Feinberg saw him. He was so fascinated as a young man. Of course, you're fascinated when you're young. He took all the money he had and bought train tickets and followed him to every evangelistic meeting and had money for lodging from Philadelphia clean to Florida.
Really? He wrote his mother and father home and said, I found this thing. I don't understand it. I'm watching it. I I I wanna be a part of it. And on and on he went, well, they knew what it was. And his mother and father, you know, in that religion, if somebody professed to be Christian, or that religion demands that you treat them as though they are dead. You you never talk to them again. You don't acknowledge acknowledge them. You don't speak about them to anybody. They're dead. Oh, he's dead. And so he never saw his mother and father again. They he was all excited. He came home, told them about it. They just said, well, you're gone. We ended up going to bible college in Philadelphia, I think. I don't know what the name of it. Philadelphia College of the Bible. Maybe that was there at that time. I don't know.
He graduated, and he decided he would go to seminary. They went to Dallas Theological Seminary, brand new. Matter of fact, he was the first man, the first man to obtain a doctor of theology from Dallas. And he did it in three years. And for Sharp guy, of course, he already knew Hebrew. You know, he had been studying to be a rabbi. And he, he was in he he was the first man to and he did it at age 23, by the way. Wow. And then he went to teach there, and J. Vernon McGee was one of his students. That's how far back this goes. He was so he was younger than J. Vernon McGee when McGee went to school there. Well, after he got out of there, he went, got his PhD, taught for a while, then he decided, well, I need to know more. He went to John Hopkins. Hopkins. He got a master in some ancient Near East language like eucheritic or cuneiform or something. And then he got a PhD under William Foxwell Albright.
And William Foxwell Albright was the foremost archaeologist of Near Eastern culture in the world at that time, and he was the one who first identified the authenticity of the Dead Sea Scrolls. That was William Foswell Albright. And he was professor there. And so Feinberg did that. And then Feinberg came back and he heard about a school out in California that a couple of Presbyterians had started and that was the Stewart brothers. Now this all goes into Johnny Mac's story and the reason I'm you know we're not just none of us are just by ourselves. We're affected by a whole lot of things. And if you there's no end to the things we're affected by, but I'm just trying to hit some of the major things that affected Johnny Mac and why he was what he was and became well known for doing what he did, which was expositing the bible, cause by cause. Well, I shouldn't say the bible. The New Testament. He ignored the Old Testament, amazingly.
And I don't think that's a good idea, but that's what he did. Anyway, so, Feinberg became professor at a school that these two Presbyterian brothers who were founders of Union Oil Company, by the way. And they were from Titusville, Pennsylvania. Both of them had been in the Pennsylvania cavalry during the war between the states. And they got out, and they were worried. They said, you know, Bible believing people like the Presbyterians are not we're losing our grip on the Bible. They wanted to start a school. They had, they had noses for oil.
They weren't geologists, but they said we believe there's oil in Southern California. And they went to Long Beach and poked a hole in the ground on top of what is today Signal Hill. And by the way, that's where David Hawking's father worked for Signal Hill, in the oil field there. And every time he poked a hole in the ground, he came out of Gusher, and pretty soon they had more money than they knew what to do with. And they decided they were going to start a bible college, and they called it Biblical Institute of Los Angeles with Lyman Stewart and his brother. And they, funded it.
And they told R. A. Torrey, who was a graduate of Yale Law School, and he'd gone to Europe and studied theology after that. And they asked him, would you come and and put together the curriculum and start the school and all that? And he said, y'all do it on a couple of provisions. If you'll do this for me, I'll do that. You gotta build me a church where I can preach to 68,000 people every Sunday morning in such a way that of course, it didn't have microphones back then. That was in nineteen o nine nineteen o nine.
And, the acoustics, that'd be right. And he said, I want a bible institute on top of the church. I want it to be three or four stories high. So we have the bible institute for classrooms, and then we have the dormitories for the students on top of that, and then the church down below, and all those students can work in the church. And then I can talk to six to 8,000 people. Those and back in those days, that was the way it was done, and that's what they did. They called it the Biblical Institute of Los Angeles. It was downtown. The church was called the Church of the Open Door, and it was there until the '19 about 1990 I think. It's tore down now.
But he did all that for R. A. Torre. R. A. Torre came out and did all that. He was there and of course six eight thousand people would show up. He was very had a had a voice for it. He could do it like he was friends, by the way, with D. L. Moody. But D. L. Moody, him had a fallen out. That's why he came out to Los Angeles. He was the head of Moody Bible Institute, which is still in Chicago. Well, they came out there and did that, and, it became Biola College. And, they moved out to La Mirada, and they started a seminary with the college, Biola, and, became a university.
And Clyde Cook was the other fellow I was going to tell you about. He was from Scotland and he came out and he became eventually, among others, became president there. And Clyde Cook had been in a Japanese prison camp with his mother and father when the war started and when he was a teenager. He had a fascinating personality and then Louis Talbot came there but Charles Lee Feinberg came there to teach Hebrew and Old Testament. But he was a hardcore dispensationalist, you see, because of his his influence at being being Jewish and at Dallas Seminary.
And founded by the founder or the fellow, one of them that c I Scofield, he was friends with Louis Barry Schaeffer that founded Dallas Seminary so it was hardcore dispensationalist Zionist school. Well that was the influence then that came from Dallas to Biola, which wasn't there before because they were Presbyterians. It never was the official doctrine of Biola dispensationalism, but because of that influence it became just underneath it was there because of Feinberg. So here is, Johnny Mac sitting in in the hospital or laying there.
And his father went to his friend, Charles Lee Feinberg, and said, can you do something with my boy? And What do you want me to do? Well, if I can get him over there to Biola, would you take him and make something out of it? And Johnny Mac's mentor was Charlie Charles Lee Feinberg. And that explains why, added to a couple other things, he was such a Zionist. I mean Mhmm. Johnny Mac. Great bible expositor, but a Zionist. Why? Because of Charles Lee Feinberg and his father and his grandfather's dispensational point of view being Baptist. They they came down the Baptist road, left the Presbyterian point of view. So Johnny Mac ended up going to a Presbyterian a school founded by Presbyterians.
We're never officially Presbyterian, but it was of the Presbyterian ilk. And and then you had this dispensational influence that started coming in from places like Dallas, you see. And that's where Johnny Mac was, and and Charles Lee Feinberg took Johnny Mac under his wing. You can listen to Johnny Mac say this. He he he goes used to go into great detail about it and how important it was to him to know Charles Lee Feinberg. Charles Lee Feinberg was a a, a Semitic scholar and because he had studied under Albright that's John Hopkins, Johns Hopkins, he was a preeminent archaeologist and he taught archaeologists at bio archaeology at Biola.
Well that's what that's why John and when Charles Lee Feinberg passed away years later, oh let's see Feinberg was born I believe in 1910 and he passed away about well, in the 1990s or somewhere in the 90s probably. And his last words on his deathbed and I heard MacArthur say this. I'm getting this information from MacArthur, Johnny Mac. His last words were, I am a Jew. I have always been a Jew, and I will always be a Jew. Now that coming from a man who professed Christ all of his life. Wow. I don't understand all that. And Johnny Mac said I heard him say it. He said he told that story. I don't know if he was there or if he heard it, but I know they were very close. And he he told that story, and then Johnny Mac said, I don't know what that means.
I don't know what that means. What is All that you I'll let you be the judge. They're listening as to what it means. I don't know either. But I did know Charles Lee Feinberg. I knew him pretty well. Matter of fact, yeah, because he was my archaeology professor. And that's how I knew him. So it wasn't that I was his close buddy. Again coming back to I acquainted with him, but I sat and listened to him for hours upon hour lecture on archaeology. Mhmm. And, so I understand who I understood who he was. I understood his dispensationalism. I didn't particularly care for him as a his personality. He was a very, very much of a pulpiteer. He could get in the pulpit and he was as interesting and, we could keep your attention like Billy Sunday. As a matter of fact, I heard him say on more than one occasion that when he when he speaks and preaches, he can hear himself talking like Billy Sunday because he never got over the things and the things he heard Billy Sunday say and do as a as a public speaker, and his young 14 year old ears grabbed him. And I know how it is when you're young. You know, your your mind, everything's new. And he said, I still do that. And that might explain why he was a a good communicator in public, and he was.
[01:49:01] Unknown:
But And on his deathbed, he's always a Jew. Boy, that's an interesting story in perspective, isn't it? Yeah. It is. Now, Mark Twain wrote an essay once called
[01:49:12] Unknown:
oh, what was it called? I think maybe you can look it up. It's on the Internet. I've got it in a book someplace. Something about the Jew. But the question he was trying to struggle he was struggling with and trying to answer, why does a Jew insist on being a being a Jew? Even if he claims to be a Christian, he still says he's a Jew. Now in the early church, the early church fathers said that's silly. That's ridiculous. Christianity did not arise out of Judaism. That's what they said, and that's true. Judaism is Babylon Babylonianism. Christianity did not arise out of it that I could quote the church fathers over and over that said that in the second and first century.
[01:49:49] Unknown:
Hold on just a second, Brent. Somebody in the background is kinda interrupting. If you hit your mic, please. Kind of coughing and moving around. You might have a question. Just wait a second. Maybe we got a minute or two to,
[01:50:05] Unknown:
entertain that. Go ahead, Brent, please. But if if my father's if my father's talking another man up and I listened to my father do this when I was growing up, I knew what men he admired that around where I lived. And it usually came down to the men that were the hardest working and most conscientious and got up the earliest in the morning and went to bed the latest at night. That was the men dad admired, and those were his friends. And and so as I grew up, those men became my friends, and I admire them. And some of them are still alive. They're up in their nineties, and I Oh, how cool. Yeah. Because whoever your father admires and thinks is right, well, you're naturally gonna have that inclination.
Well, Johnny Mac's father was close friends with Charles Lee Feinberg and admired him and even told him, I'm turning you over, Johnny. I'm turning you over to Charles Lee Feinberg. What do you think is gonna happen, and how is Johnny Mac gonna react to that? Well, all of his life, Johnny Mac held Charles Lee Feinberg in iestine. I heard him say it often, very often. So that's natural. That's not unnatural. But who is this man Johnny Mac, and why did he do what he did? Why didn't he teach the Old Testament? Why did he say and he did if you have the Spirit of God, you don't need the law of God. That was his point of view. What is that? That's a dispensational doctrine. The law of God doesn't matter anymore.
Why is it that Johnny Mac taught in the strongest of terms that the American Revolution was sin, what we call the revolution, our separation from Britain? I don't call it a revolution because it wasn't. It was a war for separation. There's a big difference. Revolution is a doctrine of the of the law of the city. What we did was a doctrine of the law of the land. But he says and taught that the founding of our country going to war with Britain was a violation of the Bible. I interviewed a professor from that university where he was president, the history professor, and I asked him about that.
I I don't try not to quarrel with people that are my guests on radio. But I said, was our war with Britain unbiblical? He said, absolutely. So if you didn't agree with Mark with Johnny Mac on that point, you weren't a professor at that school. That was axiomatically understood too. Johnny Mac, but getting back to was a a megachurch man, an urban he was part of the urban urbanization of the church, which is the destruction of the church in that way. But he did go into the urban world and try to teach the Bible. That's what needs to be done, but not to bow to the urbanization. And that's what inevitably will happen if you don't if you don't accept the trust settlement of God under those terms, the law of God, the Old Testament, you reject all that and say everything is new now. All we need is the New Testament he spent.
When I first saw him and heard him, he was around 40, and he had just started not long before that teaching through the new testament. And I don't think he got it done for another thirty years or more. I I forget. It was a long time later. He finally got clear through it, and then they published the MacArthur study bible with all the notes from all those sermons after that. But we're not talking about what I want to stress when I talk about Johnny Mac is how God used him in spite of anything that was wrong. Because they're not a one of us that aren't wrong, wrong, wrong about a whole lot of things.
But it's our job as Christian men to exercise discernment and to look at the other man and decide for ourselves, what is it I can get this good out of this, and what is it that I I don't think I agree with? That's our job, and not to be ugly about it. So when I talk about Johnny Mac, I don't wanna be ugly about it. I I wanna appreciate what how God used him. And he did. No question. He used him in a lot of ways. A lot of people learned a lot of bible from Johnny Mac, and that's the salvation of our country, is to have the bible permeate. Not all of it. Oh, he'd talk about the Old Testament. He didn't reject it, but he didn't teach it. And he said, I'm not supposed to teach it. I'm supposed to teach the mysteries, the new testament.
Oh, okay. Well, that's what he did. For what it's worth, take what we can and and get good out of it. And he was pretty square on a lot of things, but he was involved in a megachurch organization. And it takes a brutal man to hold something like that together. And that's another thing we can talk about if we evaluate modern Christianity. The megachurch the megachurch is a new idea since my lifetime. Right. And it's it's not what I'd call biblical. And I say that on the basis of ch some of Johnny Mac's professors who said that about him. And I heard him say it myself.
Well, we're coming down at the end here, and I'm about to burn out talking. I
[01:54:58] Unknown:
got a few minutes if somebody wants to make a call. The call is amazing. Yeah. Somebody was had their mic open a minute ago. Obviously, want to say something. Good time now.
[01:55:07] Unknown:
Yeah. I have a good I have a question. Couple questions.
[01:55:10] Unknown:
Who are you first, please?
[01:55:12] Unknown:
It's Brew. Stewart? Chicago Brew.
[01:55:17] Unknown:
Oh, Chicago Brew. Hey, man. Come on. Sure. Go ahead.
[01:55:21] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. I got two questions. First off, in the first hour, I heard it towards the end there. You guys suggesting that the course for the trust is gonna start next week, and I have a because it snuck up on us because it's been going up a while, like, how to register, when's it gonna take place, whatever. So I had people on standby too that were interested in the course, but I I probably need a couple days to round them up to make sure that they're signed up. Is there any way to extend that to to the end of the weekend, the registration?
[01:55:49] Unknown:
Well, we have to ask Paul because I'm not doing this. Paul's the one that's getting this together. And what Paul did was, he said, well, the donation is almost nothing. This is your chance. That's what Paul's saying. And there was another about their teaching a trust course, charging a thousand dollars. Well, I'm not charging anything. I'm doing it in appreciation of a donation, but it was a fraction of a thousand, but he's got it way down below that below that to $30. You'll have to talk to Paul, but go to commonlawyer.com if you have a question.
If you send an email there,
[01:56:23] Unknown:
Joy will get it to Paul, and we'll figure it out. No. I'll do I'll do it. Right here on there, mate. I can answer that question. I was just Brew, hold on. Suggesting He can address that right now. Yeah. Paul, is there until end of the week in the register, and that's all. Paul, is that cool?
[01:56:38] Unknown:
You got a late entry?
[01:56:42] Unknown:
Yeah. Okay. I'll hold it until Sunday.
[01:56:46] Unknown:
Alright. Cool. Appreciate that. And the second one's direct to Brent. Hey, Brent. Have you ever heard of a phrase or term term for civil court? It's called Mackenzie friend.
[01:56:58] Unknown:
I have,
[01:57:00] Unknown:
but I've never used it. Find I know we've only got a couple minutes here, but, can you give us a brief definition of why that would be used? Someone asked me about this, and I said, well, call a common lawyer. And they they didn't call, so I'm calling on their behalf.
[01:57:14] Unknown:
Well, a Mackenzie friend, if I remember right. And I've and now I have tried to do this, but it never never came to fruition. But I've been in court where other people have done it. That's where you ask somebody to come in and and sit by you who may or may not be a lawyer, but has not officially entered an appearance. And the case was established way back, Mackenzie versus Mackenzie or something. You know, it's the name of a case. And so they named stuff after a case that says this is okay. And it kinda like a, amicus brief. You know, amicus means friend of the court. Somebody that's not a party to the case, but they can file a brief in the appellate court. Let's see. I'm looking it up here. Let's see. It says, Australia, Canada, England, Wales, Scotland, Hong Kong, Northern Ireland, Republic Of Ireland, and New Zealand. So nothing here about America recognizing a McKinsey friend in the court.
But they are somebody that can help you in your case set at the court at the bench with you with knowledge of that area of law who may not be a lawyer. But he or she may be liable for any misleading advice given to the litigate in person. Ah. Yeah. So there's a whole lot of stuff here to it. I've never used it. I've heard people talk about it, but I do know we don't call it McKinsey. We do but we do let people sometimes sit with a person if they're all by themselves and can't afford a lawyer. That's true.
[01:58:39] Unknown:
Cool. Thanks, Bruce, for the question. Good to hear you out there. We're about wrapping this one up on another Friday. This Friday being Halloween, we'll see what the rest of the day and the days to come bring. Very interesting time. Thank you, Brent, again for spending your time and pouring your knowledge and wisdom and understanding over us. And we just appreciate you more than I can express. Okay. And I know the audience does too. So thank you my friend for coming over and being with us. We'll look forward to the next time.
[01:59:12] Unknown:
Thank you, Roger.
[01:59:14] Unknown:
I hope everybody has a good rest of the day. The unusual day that it is, We'll discuss it tomorrow. Yeah. Just hold a second, Samuel. Cause we're about to cut off and then you can ask your question. But, we'll be back tomorrow on Saturday. Brent's got his Saturday show over there. You can listen to videos and archives of either. Which one you wanna do is totally up to you. We will hopefully see you soon, if not tomorrow. So have a great day. Ciao. In spite of it being Halloween. Samuel.
[01:59:48] Unknown:
Yeah. I wanted to point something out to Brent that when, John MacArthur's church went up against the, the government down there regarding, assembly of the congregation during the COVID thing. He I listened to him speak about that, and he said that, do they have something like a dozen or more elders? And anything that the church did had to be in a unanimous agreement among these men, and I think one or two of them was in objection. So they couldn't go forward, but what those guys did is they sent in a letter to him telling him why they object, but resigning because the majority felt it was correct and they, you know, so he is that normal in in most churches? Do you think that they have that kind of an organization where it has to be unanimous through the elders, or was that unique?
[02:00:54] Unknown:
No. It it's the way it ought to be, but it's hardly ever seen. By the way, there are 50 elders of that church and have been for decades. 50. I don't think that's a good number, but that's the way they do it. And, yeah, they say in agreement. But the truth is, MacArthur was such a dominating personality and, forceful in his under what he claimed confident in his understanding of the Bible, whatever it was, right or wrong, that they went along with him on everything. That's true too. See. So there's that that element in there. In other words, officially, MacArthur was just one of 50 elders. And there's two kinds of elders in the bible. Elder rule is common law rule. That's why we have a legislature in our government as a co equal branch. And they have to be a certain age. You can't just be a child. You gotta be 25 to be in one house. But in the controlling house, you gotta be 35. Was that what no. 30. 30 in the yeah. In the constitution.
So, the elders is the way the bible presents a church government. Show me the government form of the leading institution of a country, and I will show you the government of that country fundamentally. That's why Mexico likes our dictatorship. All of South America, we've said this before. Why? Because in their heart of hearts and their religious institutions, Romanism is a dictatorship. The pope is called the imperial pope because it's all about the empire. It's all about a government of one man Yeah. Through his henchmen called the the priesthood. I was recently going through the and I remember this, details. I get older, the remember this, details. I get older, the details of what I learned come back to me, and I revisit them. And I'll getting older is a positive thing, Roger. I know. During during our war with Mexico, there were a lot half of the troops that went to Mexico to war with the Mexicans were immigrants to America.
And a large portion of those were Irish. And the Irish, when they got down there and they saw that the Mexicans the the whole thing, the Mexicans were controlled by the Roman priests, and the war was all about the Roman priesthood controlling things. They defected by the hundreds to the Mexicans. And I they didn't get all of them, but after Americans took Mexico City, they hung 30 of them. Fort marshaled them and hung them because they had defected. And the reason they defected is because they were Romanist in their heart of hearts. They couldn't stand America anymore. They had to go along with what the pope said. And the pope wanted Mexico to be slaughtered or didn't want them to be slaughtered, but that's what happened. And a lot of Americans got killed too. Now there's more to it than that and not everybody's right, not everybody's wrong in that situation, but it is true that romanism is a powerful force upon or religion is the force that dictates what government we will accept. No question.
And God and the bible the bible the bible insist upon a rule of a unanimous rule. That's a jury by the way. Not a majority, unanimous of an eldership. That's what MacArthur tried to do there, and that was biblical. Back to you. Go ahead.
[02:04:13] Unknown:
Well, yeah. His argument was and why he he felt convicted to move forward with his lawsuit against the county was, he he felt that they were breaking God's law, and that gave him the right to stand up to what they were doing.
[02:04:33] Unknown:
Well, all true law is God's law. If it's really true, if it's good law it's God's. Because God is law and everything that he says is his will. As I pointed out a while ago, even his gospel of salvation by grace through faith without the works of the law is a law in and of itself. The law of the gospel. The law of grace as Paul puts it. The law of faith. So I'm saying, their laws is against God's law. Well, that often happens of course. But that the Bible also says we're not, resist every law of man just because it isn't precisely what God's law is. There's a difference. This is very This is important. Beyond important to know when to resist. And we go through the declaration of 76.
We get to that passage where it tells us what the standard of resistance is and how to exercise it. It's important to know. There has to be in order to have that resistance, there has to be a clear contradiction. It has to be this. If I follow the law of man, my very following the law of man constitutes direct disobedience to God's law. God's law? Yeah. His will. What he wants. And the Bible communicates that to us not only in the statutes, commandments, and just judgment, but in poetry, biography, epistles, apocalyptic literature, history. It's all there.
We have an overwhelming of evidence of what God's will is and everything about it coming at it from every angle. Even music, the Psalms telling us what God's will is. What he likes. What he doesn't like. Yet not to mention in all that in support of the stand statutes, commandments, and judgments. And if it if obedience to man's law constitutes a direct disobedience to God. For example, driver's license. We talked about that a lot. Is getting a driver's license or permission to drive on the public highway, does that force a man to direct disobedience to God's law?
That's the question. If it does, well, you have an argument. If it doesn't, you don't. What about if a Roman soldier by law and the law of Rome says if a Roman soldier asks you to carry anything, the law obligated you to carry it for up to a mile. Up to a mile. Jesus Christ said, well, if a Roman soldier asks you to do that, carry it two mile. That's not that's not a hill worth dying on and doing that does not directly violate the law of God. Directly means head on. For example, for example, I I pay taxes to the government. Now I'm just throwing this out as an example. I'm not taking a position. I want you to take a position at some point. I know what mine is. If I pay taxes to the government and they take that money and pay for murdering babies, is that a direct or an indirect wrong of government as to me?
Well, as to me, that's an indirect wrong. I gave money to the government and they misused it. I give money to a liquor store, they misuse it. I give money to Disneyland, they misuse it and and promote homosexuality. That's an indirect negative effect. It's not direct. If I gave money direct to the queers that were promoting sodomy, that would be direct. You see? Now, I'm not coming telling you what my position is on in every case. I'm just saying there's a difference between direct disobedience to God's law and indirect. It is the direct obedience that God forbids. That's all I'm saying.
It's up to you as a free man having discernment within your scope of authority to make that decision to hope you make it right in every case. Every case a little different. But John Johnny Mac took him a long time and I heard him talk about it too. Good point to bring up. Took him a long time to see the ruse that was going on. That surprised me. He acted like what I didn't do at first. That's why it took me a few months to figure out how stupid this all is. Well, no, no, no. The Bible says that breath, the breath of life is a gift of God and if And to impede it with a mask on your face or not getting together, whatever they're telling you to do is to despise the gift. And to despise the gift is to despise the giver. That's direct.
They know, no, no. I'm not wearing a mask and I'm going to church. That's easy for me. That's what my position was at the time. And then I said to people, you get on an airplane, you're in admiralty jurisdiction. They tell you to put a mask on, put it on. If you don't wanna fly, don't fly. That's good that's good under our common law tradition too because Admiralty does have its place, and airplanes are proper.
[02:09:15] Unknown:
Proper jurisdiction of Admiralty. Whole scam was a misuse of a regulatory
[02:09:19] Unknown:
power. And that too. But coming back to just a well, you can change the subject. I'll stop then if you wanna go into that, Roger. I'm good. But I'm just making the point about direct versus indirect. That's always an important consideration when it comes to how when we're gonna resist,
[02:09:35] Unknown:
the laws of men. And my point with that was just they're always doing that. They're always laying down some foundational thing, and then they pile fraud or misrepresentation on top of it. Mhmm. My point. Right. Mhmm. There's Larry. Yes.
[02:09:53] Unknown:
Yeah. Question for Brent. You talked about the McKinsey doctrine, and that has a z in it as in zebra. And, it's not available in America. You are correct. But what is available in America is it's called the friend of the court doctrine, but it's it doesn't work in every instance. And a friend of the court is allowed to sit next to the defendant and to give advice quietly, but they can't speak out loud. They can't, approach the, you know, the court to talk about the the case. They could take notes. They could do things like that. But the the catch is you have to get permission. Have you ever heard of anyone using that friend of the court doctrine, especially if it's a husband, and he he needs to be a friend of the court to his wife. And, how would you go about doing that without getting permission? Have you ever heard of that?
[02:10:55] Unknown:
You can't do anything in a courtroom without permission. If the judge says no, that's the end of it. You don't the the option you have after that is appeal. Don't ever think there's something you can do in court without the judge's permission. There isn't. If the if the judge doesn't like something and he tells you to stop that that ends the matter right there. There it can't be any other way. I can't go into a court as a lawyer and practice unless the judge says it's okay. And at some point he decides to that I can't anymore, well then I have to stop. Now if my client wants to appeal that, he can do that and maybe he'd win. Sometimes people do. Maybe the judge stepped out of stepped without over the over the lawful line.
But as long as that judge is on the bench, just remember, it's his decision. I went into a federal court up and that has to be that way. Somebody's gotta make the decision. Yeah. And it isn't me. I went into a federal court up in Oregon one time, and my I didn't have a license to practice in that federal court. It was a I had to be there immediately. I didn't have time to go to another lawyer and and have them help me sign in, which is what you do. And I so I went to court, and I sat in the back, and I had talked to the US attorney.
Nice fella. Hard to find a nice US attorney. This guy is really nice. And, I'm sitting in the back behind the bar behind the bar. Why? Because I'm not a member of that bar. I'm not on the roles of that court as a lawyer. So I'm sitting back there. And the judge gets on the bench, says, well, US attorney, what do we got? And he said, well, we have this man here, and we're it's a subpoena that we're trying to deal with. And and then he turned around, he said and his lawyer said in the courtroom. And he turned around and held his hand out toward me. And the judge said, who who's that? Said, raise your hand. And I stood up, and the judge said, you come up here and sit with your client right now.
Thank you, your honor. I walked up and sat with the client. No paperwork. No no fee. Whatever a judge says in the courtroom, that's it. And you're and and, if you don't like it, you can appeal. I've said that three times now. I'm trying to stress that. Had a guy called me one time from Florida many years ago and said, well, I'm on the case down here in Florida. If the judge rules against me, I'm gonna arrest him. I said, you're gonna do what? I'm gonna arrest him. I said, why? Well, because he's committing a crime. If he rules against me, it's a crime. I said, what's the question? He told me. I said, I don't care what the question is. You can't arrest a judge while he's on the bench. That's against the law. That's a common law doctrine. That's been around for centuries. I don't care what he does.
You can't arrest him unless he's trying to shoot somebody. I like to tell that story. It's a true story. Supreme the guy that told the story became a supreme court justice and his name was Field. And Abraham Lincoln later appointed him to the US supreme court, peach of a guy. But he went out to California during the days of the gold rush and arrived in a town now called Murrysville, and it was only been there about eight days. And years later, as he was practicing law, out there he got to practicing law. A lot of a lot of gold was in the currency at that time. Plenty of money. He represented colonel Sutter. He got voted into a judgeship, ran for state legislature, all that kind of stuff.
But during the early days when he was representing Sutter, colonel Sutter, I'm talking about the guy at Sutter's Mill, who was a Swiss immigrant, by the way. He was representing him. He was losing all his land when the 100,000 people came all over the world and just did anything they wanted. Well, he was in a tent. The court was being held in a tent. Didn't have any buildings in town in Marysville, which is Marysville, Yuba City now. And, he, the judge was from the South from and he was from Connecticut. And there the rift in the in, about 1850, the rift between the North and the South was was violent already by that time. Everybody hated everybody except especially the southern boys. They hated northern boys, and he was a Yankee from Connecticut.
Not that they'd had any real issue to fight over, but they just he the the southern boys hated the the Yankees. So the judge ruled in the case and the state legislature hadn't passed any legislation. They really didn't know what the standard was, so the judge ruled. But what they didn't know was the state legislature had just passed the first statutes, had just assembled, and had had them published. And the lawyer sitting right behind Fields handed him a copy of the recently published law, said maybe this would change the judge's ruling.
He looked at and he said, judge, I'm sorry. I just got a a copy of the recently published law of California the state legislature just passed. And it says this. And if that would change your ruling and the judge, he was, this judge was a dangerous man. He said, I've already made my ruling. I don't care what it says. I've made my ruling. He said, you're out of order. If you talk again, I'll have you held I'll hold you in contempt. And he said, well, I'll be the judge. I'm just trying to point out, the law. He said that's a $50 fine. And if you say anything else, it'll be another $50.
And Pills kind of threw his hands up and just mumbled something like, this is ridiculous. And he said, that's another $50. If you say anything else, I'm gonna have you jailed. Of course, they didn't have a jail yet, so they had no place to put him. So he he did he said something to somebody. He jailed him. He told the deputy to put him in an anteroom in the tent and stand at the door and don't let him out. So he got in the anteroom and there was a desk there and he got the desk and found a pencil and a piece of paper and he drew up a petition for habeas corpus, gave it to the deputy, said, would you give this to the other judge? I wanna be heard right away.
So the deputy got it to the other judge, and the other judge called immediate hearing and brought him in. Well, it hadn't been just a short period of time, but the whole town knew. By that time, there was no television, radio, Internet, and the news traveled fast, and people were looking for excitement. So by the time they brought Fields into the courtroom, the deputy brought him in. The other judge was sitting at the table up front. The room there in the tent was just packed full. And the judge said, well, now what do we got? And justice field didn't have a lawyer, so he stood up to present his petition for habeas corpus. He'd been jailed unlawfully.
And while he was talking, and filed the sheriff and a bunch and a posse, a bunch of armed men filed into the room. And and the judge said, wait a minute. Stop. What's going on? You guys got guns and you're what do you well, we're here to arrest you, judge. By what authority? Well, the other judge that held deals and contempts ordered us to get order me to gather a posse and come in here and arrest you. And the judge said, wait just a minute. And he got up from the table, walked into the little room in the back of the tent where they hung their coats and stuff. It was a big tent and got out a navy six shooter revolver out of his coat pocket where he kept it.
And he sat down at the table and cocked the, the hammer and pointed at the sheriff and said, when this hearing is over, you can arrest me. But you cannot arrest me while I'm sitting on the bench. And if you try to, I'll blow a hole in you big enough to paddle a canoe through. And after he said that, the sheriff was staring at him. He didn't have his gun drawn apparently, and he turned around the posse and they were all gone. And he didn't have any choice but slowly back up and leave. And then they continued the hearing. I don't care what a judge does and their cases are really funny to read actually on the bench and judges do stupid things on the bench, unlawful things.
But if if what they do can be characterized as within the decision making role of a judge, no matter how wrong it is, you can't sue him for it. You gotta wait till the wait till the the hearing is over. So when I was researching this about when I got a federal judge to recuse himself, I found a case out of the seventh circuit where a a slumlord in Chicago who happened to be a state judge was going through his slums and he, of course, having people thrown out that wouldn't pay their rent. And he found one of the people that he had thrown out, one of the boys that he had thrown out, sleeping in the sleeping bag on the floor in the apartment he'd thrown him out of. But he didn't have a place to live, so he pulled out his pistol, which he always carried in that part of town.
And that was illegal in the city of Chicago at that time or they said it was. And he got the man down on the floor, got on top of him, straddled him, put the gun to his head, and said, we're gonna hold court right here. Right here. Don't move. You have anything to say in your defense for staying here when you've been ousted by the order of the court? Of course, he didn't say nothing. Got a gun pointed to his head. And he said, okay. I'm gonna give you my ruling. You're out of here right now and you gotta leave. And so he left. Well, this fella appealed the case and said that he was acting outside of a judicial role when he did that. And the seventh federal circuit finally wound its way up through the I think it was, may have been Hammond, Indiana, not Chicago, Illinois. But either case, it wound its way to the seventh circuit in Chicago.
And the seventh circuit, I believe it was Easterbrook, said, well, he may have had an illegal pistol. That's not what the that's not the question before us though. What before us is, was he acting in his judicial role? And they said, yes. He was. And that is been the that has been the doctrine of our common law for centuries. But that was that was about as fur as I ever saw any case go. And I questioned that a little bit. But it makes the point that no matter how wrong a judge is sitting on the bench, if it's within his decision making authority and that he made a a decision that was blatantly wrong, you can't arrest him.
You can't do anything to him. And nothing is allowed in a courtroom that a judge doesn't want doesn't wanna allow. Period. He is as close to God inside of that courtroom as a skipper of a naval vessel is Mhmm. As skipper. His word is final. He's as close to God as being like God as the pilot of a seven twenty seven full of passengers. Yep. What he says is the law. And if you disobey him, it's a felony. Or a bus driver. A bus driver has That's right. Don't have that authority? I've heard that, but I don't wanna speak to that. I've heard that. But, I know that's that wouldn't be Admiralty so much. See, Admiralty would be airplanes and ships. And then but you say, well, is the judge an Admiralty? No. Oh, he could be in a federal court. Yeah. But maybe it's not an Admiralty case. But in the first instance, just like a sheriff's deputy in the first instance, he's the one that decides whether or not you get a ticket whether right or wrong. He is the one that has to make that decision.
And a judge in his courtroom in the first instance is the one that decides whether or not he has jurisdiction to make a decision. And if he's wrong, you can appeal it. That's the law. That's our common law tradition. It has always been that way. And you you have to have the permission of a judge. I guess I'm just talking a lot to try to make that point. If a judge decides he doesn't want it, he won't get it. By the way, you know, I've been in courtrooms where people have sat with people, that weren't lawyers, that didn't have a lawyer. But the reason the judges would grant it often was because just so they could be moral support, hold the hand on the person, so to speak. So they wouldn't feel so overwhelmed and alone while they were trying to defend themselves.
Maybe make a suggestion, as you said, quietly. Yeah. But that's really what that's for. And it's all coming down to not knowing procedure, and that's what's helpful in the courtroom. How do you present evidence? Lawyers are supposed to know how to do that. They don't, but they're supposed to. But a nonlawyer wouldn't know for sure how to present evidence. He wouldn't know when, how, or what method. And that's the key to litigation is evidence.
[02:23:27] Unknown:
That's all there that's all litigation is, is evidence. How to present this. Go ahead. Pro per person should, receive deference deference from that judge on his position of
[02:23:36] Unknown:
not being skilled at the at the Yeah. The profession, if you will. And our common law tradition has always said that too. And judges will often do that. Some are better at it than others. Some are more patient than others. Yeah. But yeah. And that's that's because they're human beings. They're sinners like the rest of us. Yeah. I'm not here to defend you.
[02:23:55] Unknown:
Yeah. But I am here to make that point. Larry, I wanna ask a question first for you. Who is making that clicking noise? It sounds like a camera shutter. It's been going on for for a minute. Is is your fault? Sorry. Sorry. What is it?
[02:24:12] Unknown:
Is this your BIC or what? No. It's my, it's my on screen keyboard.
[02:24:17] Unknown:
Okay. Okay. Alright. Now Larry?
[02:24:23] Unknown:
Yeah. I wanted to let Brent know that there's there's a a number of students on this platform that believe our courts are not common law courts, that they are, contract courts. And, they also say that these courts are Niese Prius courts, which of course means unless before. But they say it with that if they are Niese Prius courts, they use that term with a bad connotation. And I was wondering what your thoughts are on on those matters.
[02:24:52] Unknown:
Well, what less before what? What are what are they saying? I've heard heard them say that, but I never heard any of them unpack it because I and I've concluded they don't know what it means. They just spouting all the same stuff. You wanna sound smart. Yeah. That kind of thing. Is that true? I don't know. What does it mean? You tell me. What does it mean to them?
[02:25:13] Unknown:
Well, like, yeah, there's there's a mister Richard McDonald, has always promoted this idea that the courts are Nisi Prius, when he was alive, of course. And, but he always used it with a bad connotation. And, I'm reading about it, and it just doesn't seem like it's it's an unusual court. It's it's just it just has the, the definition that it's like a court that travels and it still has all the same characteristics of a a regular court, you know? And then this this idea about all the courts are contract courts, courts of contracts. It's all about contracts in other words, and and it's not about common law. That's that's another thing that a lot of students believe. And so that's what I was wanting your thoughts on. That's because yeah. They they they've been sucked into Patriot Mythology from people that wanna be common law gurus that don't know their butts from a $17 sunbonnet.
[02:26:15] Unknown:
I don't know how I can say it stronger. I've listened to them. They don't have a clue what they're talking about. McDonald, I've heard about maybe very sincere men, but they don't know. He was. That that maybe he was, and I'm sure he was. Some of them are. I don't wanna demean me people just demean them, but it's all baloney. It's called patriot methodology. And it's all over everywhere. Nisi Prius Court. Let me read what I've got here. This is from Cornell University. It's a Latin term, as you said, meaning unless before. It refers to a specific type type of trial court in English and American law where civil noncriminal cases are heard.
A judge with the commission in The US, Niasti Prius, refers to trial courts with a civil action or tried by a judge and jury distinguished from appellate courts. Well, it didn't sound so bad to me. What are they talking about? I don't know, and I don't care to. I just know this. I know this. That if they say that contract, law is not part of common law or contract court, that's just all silly talk. I've been to been to court and tried contract cases. That's a specific area of of the law of promises of our common law tradition. A very important area, fundamental area of of of law. And I encourage people, what is our common law? Do you have a clue? Oh, people got the the the definition that the gurus give them. They become popular and people throw them about like cord wood. I've never heard anybody. It could anybody that could put our common law all in one definition. I mean, I'm talking about men that really understand stand to spend their lives trying to understand it. And I would include myself in that category. Not that I'm the smartest one, but, contract law is the law of promises.
Trust law is a part of that, but it's not a common law contract where you there's a quid pro quo. What what is contract? Contract is a is, debt. Debt. Show me a debt. I'll call you show you a contract. Show me a contract. I'll show you a debt. What is our common law? Our common law is is the way things are done, not the end result. Know the due process that we follow. That's our common law tradition. That's that is our common law tradition. You say, well, Brent, can you define our common law? Yeah. I can. It's it's due process. That's what it is. And the end results are not part of our common law. That's what God says. That's not even our jurisdiction. Our jurisdiction is to ensure the process is fair and due process is followed and everybody gets a fair shake in the in the case. That's our that's our jurisdiction.
We're not we're not here to decide, right from wrong in the final analysis. God has already done that. Oh, we try to do it. It's kinda stupid that we do. Our forebearers said we don't need a legislature. Well, we got the Bible. Why do we need a legislature? We have the statutes, commandments, and judgments. There's nothing we can add to it. It is a propensity of men to make massive and millions and thousands of regulations and laws, and we don't need all that. It confuses everything. We have what we're to have. We are not to add to it or take away from it. The Bible says, Deuteronomy four, do not add to this law. Do not take away from it anything. Not a jot, not a tittle, not a word, not a letter, not a stroke on a letter, said Jesus Christ. Right. That's that's the law of God. But coming back just a minute. I'll let you talk. Thanks. Just a minute.
Coming back to contract versus law, these are contract law. That's a contract course. It's not true. It's not true. And if you say it's true, all you're doing is being a use of not you. I'm not talking about you. But anybody that says that has become, unbeknownst to them probably, a useful idiot for the evil empire because that's what the evil empire promotes. It's all contract law. That's what the banks want. I've been up against to get banks. They want it to be all contract law. They don't want it to be any responsibility on them, this fiduciary. They want it to be contract law and debt. Show me a debt. I'll show you a contract. But show me show me a law, and I'll show you a duty.
There's a difference. And we obey the law because it's our duty. It's not our debt. We don't have a quid pro quo. There is no contract. You start talking that way, that's all you'll know, and that's all you'll do. Well, I'm gonna let you talk now. Go ahead. Yeah. Bernd, I had a question.
[02:30:27] Unknown:
Speaking of the law, and of course, to me, that is what's in the bible and man adapts to it, but he's also coming from Babylon. So we get a lot of Babylonian law, but what because you got such a great historical background and everything on the Bible, how do you think the history of, the Old Testament canon was selected?
[02:30:54] Unknown:
Well, the old testament canon was closed by, of course, the time the new testament canon began. And we can show, I think, clearly it was closed by the time of Ezra. I don't think that's hard to show. And here's here's the ultimate question. Who's the author of the Bible? The ultimate author is Jesus Christ himself. He makes that clear and he's the ultimate commentator on it. And when Jesus Christ says from the blood of Zachariah or from the blood of from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zachariah, That phrase covers the books of the old testament.
I'm just giving you some hints. There's a lot of things in the bible that give us clear indication of the limit of the old testament canon. That's one of them. The law and the prophets, the the Torah, the way pointed out with the index finger, the Navi'im, the prophets, and the Wukuthuvim, the the writings of Psalm and Ecclesiastes. There's the bible. That's all there is. That's all there ever was. That's what Jesus Christ depended upon. You wanna know what the old testament canon is, one of the best ways is to see what Jesus referred to. He didn't refer to some of this other trash people talk about. I think I've mentioned one time back when I was, in my late twenties, I was with a fellow. He was, a Bible translator. He'd worked on the New King James and the Holman and a couple others.
And, he said half a dozen of us got together with him once a week and he assigned to us, each of us, some of the apocryphal books to read and to make presentations on. And as we read them, our we were to determine whether or not they should be part of the canon. Of course, the King James translators included a lot of those books in the King James translation. The Roman church included those books and bases a lot of its doctrine on those books like the book of the Maccabees. And the dragon and the bell or the bell and dragon or the no. What was it called? Bell and the dragon. Yeah. Bell and the dragon. Some of those books. I remember that one. That was the one I read. And I was supposed to decide whether or not it was and what and the reason we went through that exercise, we spent half a year doing that.
Went through that exercise was he was trying to get us to appreciate, what the reformers had done and going back and revisiting that question in the fifteen hundreds and sixteen hundreds. And what, how it came about in the early church. No. You can go to the early church. You can't find any place in the early church where anybody professed by authority to say these are the books of the bible. No place. No church council ever said that. Amber. Well, you hear people say they did. They act like they know because they heard from somebody else and they become the gurus and then they promote the crazy idea and all the patriots and the mythology say, oh, there's books that aren't in the Bible. We're not getting the whole story. No. That's not true. That is not true. Never has been true. That's my take on it. I'd like to talk about it in general. I can do that real quick, which I've done here.
But it did help me understand. And one of the things that we use to decide what books belong in the Bible are number one, do we still have God promised to preserve his word every jot and every tittle. Do we still have the book that is purported to be part of the bible? Do we still have it in the original tongue in which it was written? And does all evidence tell us we have it in the original tongue in which it was written? For example, the book Enoch, and there were two, not one book Enoch. We don't have them in the original tongue. There are other pocketful books like that.
And then all the false gospels, many of them are like that. Well, if you don't have them in the original tongues, they're obviously corrupt. And now let's you have to get rid of those. And that's easy. And that would get rid of nearly all of them that are purported to be part of the Bible. But what we do have here's the important point. Isn't it interesting? The people that promote, oh, well, we got this other book that's part of the Bible. We're not paying attention to it. Well, once a fella takes that point of view the Mormons, by the way, take that point of view.
You know what? All false religion takes the point of view that we have other revelation that's not part of the Bible, and we need to be a pen paying attention to that. What happens in every case? Every case, I'll tell you what happens. The bible itself recedes from consideration and those other books or that other authority like the pope of Rome, he becomes final. The book of Mormon becomes final. The pearl of great reprise be all the attention is given to that. The Jehovah witnesses watchtower becomes final. The writings of Mary Baker Eddy, Patterson, Glover and Frey, that becomes final to the Christian Science. The Bible is not paid attention to anymore. Why is that? Well, that's the way the devil works. That's how it is. Oh, you're gonna scream and holler about not you again. I'm just saying people that do, I noticed they don't know much about the Bible. Don't give it much tension and call. Don't care. That's what I've noticed. That's another telltale sign. There's something and and the reformer said this, once you have the spirit of God in you, he will guide you. And Jesus Christ said it, he will guide you to all truth.
He'll give you a sixth sense even. John Calvin said that. Luther said that. They didn't agree on everything, but they it was Wingley and Switzerland said that. And all those many men from Britain said that. John Knox from Scotland said that. Why? He's just repeating what the bible says. God will draw you to the truth. He'll take you to the bible, and he you'll you'll have it like John MacArthur, Johnny Mac. He finally said, wait a minute. This this is not true. What they're telling us about this COVID virus. Oh, no kidding, Johnny Mac. I'm surprised you didn't see that months earlier, but he did see it. Apparently, he said he did. I hope he did. I'm surprised he didn't see it sooner sooner, but that's the way it is with the Bible. You will, if the spirit of God is in you, he will draw you to the truth and he will make the error more and more abhorrent to you as you get older. All I can do is give you personal testimony. That stuff's abhorrent to me.
Those other books that people present, those apocryphal books, the Maccabees, all that? Does the Bible quote some of those books, the book of Jasser for instance, which we don't have a copy of anymore? Yes. It quotes those books. The book of Jude quotes Enoch. It lifts a pericope out of Enoch, puts it in the Bible, and that becomes the words of God. God believed that part. What about Josephus? You know, Josephus is an historian. We've discovered everything we know about him. What he said is substantially true, but it's not the Bible. But is there truth there? Yes. Uh-huh.
You can read it and you can discern what is true if you know the bible. For example, the death of Herod in the twelfth chapter of Acts. It says there that he was struck by worms and a terrible element of worms and he died. Well, Josephus references that, says a little different. But we we know that probably what Josephus says is true because the bible references that event, but we it is wrong to say we know the bible's true because Josephus said it. No, that's that's upside down, friends. Well, you know the Bible true because something outside the Bible substantiate it? No, no, no, no, no. The Bible's true because Jesus Christ said it is and the record that he has given us is irrefutable. The evidence and the evidentiary rules apply to the records he gave us in the gospel records. Prove all of the Bible. If you can prove, and you can. By the way, if you wanna see one way to how to prove that using the gospel records that all the Bible is true, go to the website, commonlawyer.com, and get a copy of Excellence of the Common Law or get a copy of the winterized translation of the Bible. I have a long appendix in the bask of those two works, substantially the same. How you can know the Bible is without error, without error from what the Jesus from the testimony of Jesus Christ and you have to establish first under the laws of evidence is the testimony of Jesus Christ substantially true and that's easy to do. Just following the laws of evidence of our common law tradition and the bible, both.
You can show that. Well you can in 10 easy steps, see that once you establish the gospel records are true, and that's the apex of written revelation from God. Once you establish those are true through the laws of evidence, then those established the books of the Bible we have now and do a pretty good job and a pretty definite job. Well, for what it's worth, I commend that to you. I've written all this down, and so you can get it and contemplate it and see if what you what I have what I have followed is true. The the method, the how, our common law tradition, the process to to come to this conclusion.
You can go look.
[02:40:18] Unknown:
Well, thank you, Roger. I better go. Glad to have you, Brent. I know. I was gonna say, my stomach's growling and my bladder's about bursting, so I'm right there with you. Thank you so much for spending the time with us and the Uh-huh. Extra time on the after show here for we got some pretty inquisitive fertile minds in this audience. Yeah. We do. We do. I mean Right.
[02:40:43] Unknown:
Well, just a closing thought. Somebody said That's a closing thought. A closing thought. Wait a minute. Somebody's two There's two people talking. But somebody said quick question,
[02:40:54] Unknown:
and I I think he hasn't had an opportunity to talk yet. Is that right, Roger? I don't know. Know who it was.
[02:41:00] Unknown:
Oh. Might be rude. That was Carl in Utah. Carl in Utah.
[02:41:05] Unknown:
Spoken yet. Go ahead, buddy.
[02:41:07] Unknown:
Yep. Hey, Brent. I know we've talked about this briefly, but this trust class that you're gonna do, can you or will you, touch on some of us have businesses and would like to put stuff in the trust and protect it or or do additional trust, however that works, to have that stuff protected also. Can you help and teach that in your class?
[02:41:34] Unknown:
Oh, I do teach the class, and I do talk about those kind of things. But in a particular instance, I'd wanna talk to you. If there if you're really serious, you better be serious. I know you are. You and I talked. And and I know you are. But, yeah, we need to talk because I don't want you to there's just so much, you know. You have to start learning about it, but you need we all need guidance to say, wait. Don't do this. Do that. And that's the kind of thing you need. That's why I'm anxious to get this document, up on the website. By golly, I'm gonna commit to doing that today, Carl. And Carl, stay in touch. I know you're serious about it. And but I do want you to take the course, Carl. Yeah.
Because it it helps, you know. It's just more of me saying, okay. Here's what it is. And I try to boil it down to simplicity in the course. There are two courses there. One is just the common law trust in general. And by the way, there's the only kind of trust there is a common law trust. But I say that to to stress that it is a common law doctrine. And the second class is, about how to draft one. But I don't recommend anybody draft it on their own. That that's not smart. I mean even when I draft a trust indenture, I have somebody else read it who I think knows something about it. I don't and I don't want you to do that, and you will get yourself in trouble. And I've defended people in federal court that have done that. And and, no, don't do that. Don't leave yourself open.
[02:42:57] Unknown:
That's my suggestion for what you go, Carl. Who Larry, is yours quick, or is it another one of your
[02:43:03] Unknown:
classes? It's really quick. Yeah. No. It's quick. Before the Magna Carta, all trials were held in London. This made it difficult for local juries who had to travel there to testify. After the Magna Carta, a writ was introduced with the Latin phrase nisi prius unless before this directed a sheriff to bring a jury to a specific date in Westminster unless the justices of a size visited the county beforehand to hear the case locally. This created a system where trials could be held in local counties, making the legal process more accessible and efficient.
So I don't see anything wrong with, you know, this Oh, yeah. You using this word c Prius to describe a court, and I don't understand why there's Patriot teachers teaching the the teaching that Niese Prius has a negative connotation.
[02:44:01] Unknown:
They I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. Because people like to say that they know foreign words Yeah. And that they can tell you something that's going on that you don't know. Yeah. That's why. But but I don't know if they understand it. But let me get one more thing. What are you reading from there? Can you tell me?
[02:44:19] Unknown:
Larry? I just looked it up. I looked it up on Google. I I don't know the specific site it came out. There are fundamental fundamentally,
[02:44:28] Unknown:
what that said is wrong. When it says all trials were held held in London, that is not true at all. Magna Carta Magna Carta said that the court of common pleas will be put at a fixed place, never to be moved, and it didn't move for over six hundred years after they did that. And the reason for that was all courts in England were under the Saxon custom from the continent of centuries before where the king brought justice to every county, every shire. That went on on the continent of Europe among the angels, the Saxons, and the Danes. And when they got to England, they continued that for centuries.
The king and his entourage would bring the justices of the courts and travel from place to place, and it was his job. It was called the ambulatory kingship. It was his job to come and visit the people. It wasn't their job to go visit him. There you go. That's our common law tradition. But it got so that and the only way he could, have a case in court is you had to find the king. Well, who knew who knew where he was in those days? I mean, it never stopped moving. Did you know the kings in England and the queens still do that? They go from palace to palace with the seasons of the year. That was that's a custom that is ancient. But back then, they took all their entourage with them and it got so bad that people were trying to find the king. One fella tried to get into court for right at twenty years and he just chased him all over the kingdom. Couldn't find him.
So that was called pursuing the king, say. And that's where we get our word law suit. Because if you wanted to get your case in the court, you had to chase the king down till you found him. And so that Magna Carta provisional Magna Carta said the court of common pleas, which was the bread and butter court of England of non criminal cases, would be fixed at Westminster. And it wasn't moved for over six hundred years. It stayed right there just like Magna Carta said. You didn't have any trouble. You could find him at that point. You could find the court. But then the thing you're talking about putting justices in each county, that, yeah, that happened. But there's just more to it than what That's why I say the common law is so confusing. If you want to, take advantage of all the struggle I've had in life to try to get to the bottom of our common law tradition. I believe I have under good guidance. I just didn't go at it myself.
This other man who was much older than me, I studied under him and I learned a lot. Then I took it and tried to dig things out and I put it in a book called Excellence of the Common Law, 958 pages. And then I took the Bible and I said I'm going to translate the Bible. I'm going to bring the legal terms out. The Bible is a book about law and the terms of it, Old Testament, New, are legal terms that are analogous to our common law tradition language. And I've tried to put all those terms in terms of our common law in my translation of the Bible and footnote them and explain them. That's the idea there. The the our common law tradition and the Bible are consonant.
Not be our common law tradition does not arise from the Bible. No. It arise
[02:47:29] Unknown:
yeah. I would I'm sorry to interrupt. Alright, Roger. Go ahead. Go ahead. Isn't it interesting that Larry's,
[02:47:35] Unknown:
search turned up something with, well, incorrect information. Yeah. Incorrect inform but there was some correct information in it. I didn't say totally. Yeah. Yeah. So, but our common law tradition is a mystery to everybody. And the reason we all hear about it, we love it. And I was that way too. When I was younger, I heard about it. I made it the point of my life for what it's worth. I'll be gonna try to find out what it was. And I spent years of struggle of being thrown in jail and all that stuff. Trying to understand it. And so I knew what it was and I could promote it. And I've discovered it is constant with the Bible because it comes from the same source of the Bible. And that phrase in our declaration of 76, the laws of nature, that was the phrase back then they used for our common law, one of the phrases. And the laws of nature is God. That phrase that phrase denotes the Bible.
William Blackstone used those phrases to talk about the Bible and his commentaries on the common law written eleven years before our declaration of '76 that the laws of nature and that's what we're gonna talk about it talk about in the These are the two volumes of our common law tradition. The first one is unwritten, lex non scripto. The second one is written, the bible. Without those two you cannot understand our culture. You cannot understand our declaration of '76, our constitution of The United States. They don't explain the common law, but every word and every phrase freights our common law tradition. And that's why people don't understand it and they talk about it, but they don't understand it because there has to be there has to be our common law tradition seen in it or you cannot understand why they're saying what they're saying. And that's the way it is also the bible to know that. And that's why John Wycliffe, when he translated the bible into English for the first time in about 1370, he translate. He didn't have the the document of the bible in the original tongues. All he had was the Latin Vulgate.
But he knew he had to get it into English best he could and that's a pretty good translation. He put it into English but he had a twofold approach and you can read about this. I talk about John Wycliffe and his twofold approach in saving his country. He wanted to save his country, he was a loyal and patriotic Englishman. Saxon, he was Anglo Saxon and he knew it but he was committed to his country. He said the law of the land comes in two volumes. We've got to get therefore the boy behind the plow can read the Bible in English and if the common law is being taught at Oxford, that's gonna change our country.
When he got the Bible into English, that was a good start. And he started the what we call the art of bible translation. Then he said we gotta get the common law tradition and William Chaucer by all indications of history was his son-in-law. You know Canterbury Tales, all that. He was a barrister. And those two fellows working in tandem tried to get the common law to be taught in Rome's university system. Oxford was part of that. It didn't happen. Listen to this, this is amazing. It happened finally about not quite six hundred years later, about five hundred, four hundred, about five hundred years later when William Blackstone delivered his lectures on the common law at Oxford funded by a wealthy Jewish merchant named Verner.
And the Verner being a Jew, he wanted him to lecture on the law of the city because that's what Judaism is. It's Babylonianism. So Blackstone said, well now what am I gonna do? I'm a comparative lawyer. I compare and contrast the law of the land with the law of the city. Oh I know what I'll do. You can't understand either of them. You know definition comes by comparing comparison and contrasting. So he lectured comparing and contrasting our common law with the law of the city of the continent and and Rome, the Roman church. And he did that in four volumes and all of his lectures are that way.
So he got so what are they called today? They're called the commentaries on the laws of England and people believe it's a a lecture is all about the common law, but it's not. He was supposed to and he was paid. He had to satisfy Verner who provided the money, to come to lecture on the law of the city. But every time he mentioned the provision of the law of the city, then he would launch into a lecture on how the common law is different in order to make the contrast. And he had his preference, the preference for the common law, of course. Well, that's what the book Excellence of the Common Law does. That's what I try to do is to make that distinction.
That's the only way you can understand our common law is to by com by comparison with its ever present antagonist, the law of the city, the canon civil laws of Rome, Babylonian Rome, a Babylonian law. Simply put, it's a government of a single will. Other ways you could put it, a whole lot of other ways. That's just one way. That's one contrast I make. The pope of Rome is a single willed. Napoleon was a single willed. Hitler was a single willed. All these countries, communism or governments of single will. And all of those countries, even yet today, have some form of the Roman code of Justinian as their law, including the Roman church and the Greek Orthodox church.
They're not common law jurisdiction. There is no freedom in such a system. That's why South America has no stability. That's why you're watching Venezuela do what it does. That's why we watched Argentina all our lives go through coups and assassinations and revolutions and bloodshed. And we see it in Bolivia. We see it in Mexico. We the reason we won the Mexican war was because they were unstable. They were going through constant revolutions right during the war. Otherwise, they probably would have whipped us. They're pretty tough. One one Texan down there, I'm reading about this. One Texan said, I'll never say again. I'll never say again that a Mexican is a coward. It was tough, friend. The Mexicans were tough.
[02:53:29] Unknown:
They didn't mess around. Yeah. There are millions of them in our country right now, and they might be starting to try and use them to take over. So Yeah. It's interesting. Brent, I can't keep you in good conscience any longer. We've been here almost three hours. Thing from Brent. Okay.
[02:53:46] Unknown:
I need one more thing from you, Brent. The show is actually still streaming. We dropped off of Euro Folk Radio, but we are gonna be wrapping up the Global Voice Radio and the Rumble link and all that stuff. I just thought I would take you out with a fond memory. Alright? Here we go. Next three minutes of the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales. Thanks for joining us. We'll catch you back here next day, and that would be the Sabado edition. Yes, Paul. Yeah. Paul, communicate with me if you would on the platform you and I communicate on and send me all
[02:54:21] Unknown:
please send me all the platforms you're on. I'm interested to know. I've never looked.
[02:54:25] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. I'm gonna go over our bunch. Okay. Go ahead. Here we go. Frank Luther. Hallelujah. I'm a bum. Oh.
[02:54:40] Unknown:
Rejoice and be glad for the springtime has come. We can throw down our shovels and go on the bum. Hallelujah, I'm a bum. Hallelujah, bum again. Hallelujah, give us a handout to revive us again. The springtime has come, and I'm just out of jail without any money, without any bail. Hallelujah. I'm a bum. Hallelujah. Bum again. Hallelujah. Give us a hand not to revive us again. I went to a house and I wrapped on the door. And the lady says, bum bum, you've been here before. Hallelujah. I'm a bum. Hallelujah. Bum again. Hallelujah. Give us a handout to revive us again.
I like Jim Hill. He's a good friend of mine. That is why I am liking down Jim Hill's mainline. Hallelujah. I am a bum. Hallelujah, bum again. Hallelujah, give us a handout to revive us again. I went to a house and I asked for some bread. And the lady says, bum bum, the baker is dead. Hallelujah. I'm a bum. Hallelujah. Bum again. Hallelujah. Give us a hand now to revive us again. Why don't you work like other men do? Now how can I work when there's no work to do? Hallelujah, I'm a bum. Hallelujah, bum again. Hallelujah, give us a handout to revive us again.
Why don't you save all the money you earn? If I didn't eat, I'd have money to burn. Hallelujah. I'm a bum. Hallelujah. A bum again. Hallelujah. Give us a handout to revive us again. I don't like work, and work don't like me. And that is the reason I am so hungry. Hallelujah. I'm a bum. Hallelujah. A bum again. Hallelujah. Give us a handoff to revive us again.
[02:57:23] Unknown:
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[02:57:30] Unknown:
Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.
Radio Ranch Halloween kickoff; cohost Brent Winters
General Benton Parton, communisms four-stage takeover
Stage three: escalating violence, guns and death penalty debates
Government shutdown stakes: SNAP benefits and unrest concerns
Law of the land vs. law of the city; armed self-defense and history
Depression-era hobos, songs, and coal country memories
Coal mines, unions, and machine guns at the pit head
Shelton gang, Charlie Berger, and early aerial bombing lore
Charlie Bergers hanging and gallows last words
Course announcements: Declaration of 76 and common law
John MacArthur: influences, background, and impact
Baptists, Catholics, and scripture on wine and drunkenness
Knowing about the Bible vs. knowing the Bible
Jack MacArthur, early TV preaching, and writing sermons
Megachurch critiques and Israel/dispensational perspectives
Bob Jones years, sports ambitions, and urban manhood rites
Show IDs, platforms, and trust class sign-up details
Sheriff Dar Leaf and common law education offerings
Alcoholism quip, call-ins, and moderation moment
Manhood, discernment, and household leadership doctrine
Trust law as a model for covenant; course outline
Defending charitable trusts against IRS; AG authority
Getting the trust template and booklet; drafting cautions
Johnny Mac mentored by Charles L. Feinberg; Biola lineage
Feinbergs life story, Billy Sunday, and archaeology
Zionism, Old Testament focus, and MacArthurs stances
Open lines: questions on courses, McKenzie friend idea
Church elders, COVID defiance, and unanimity vs. leadership
Direct vs. indirect disobedience; masks, taxes, and admiralty
Friend of the court, judge authority, and courtroom stories
Are courts contract courts? Nisi prius and common law
Old Testament canon, apocrypha, and evidentiary tests
Common law vs. law of the city; Blackstone and Magna Carta
Closing music: Hallelujah, Im a Bum and sign-off
