In this episode of the Radio Ranch, host Roger Sayles is joined by co-host Brent Winters for a lively discussion on various topics, including the significance of the Shroud of Turin and its recent scientific examinations. Brent provides insights into the historical and religious context of the Shroud, while listeners engage with questions about its authenticity and the implications of its findings. The conversation also touches on the differences between various Bible translations and the importance of understanding the Bible's teachings in the context of common law and natural law.
The episode further explores the concept of trusts, with Brent explaining the differences between revocable and irrevocable trusts, and the potential legal implications of each. The discussion highlights the importance of understanding the legal framework surrounding trusts to protect assets effectively. Additionally, the conversation delves into the differences between 501(c)(3) and 508(c)(1)(a) organizations, emphasizing the importance of maintaining independence from government oversight for religious institutions. The episode concludes with a lively Q&A session, where listeners engage with Brent and Roger on various legal and religious topics.
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Alrighty. Well, as we would to mister Lee, thank you for introducing us again here on this Friday edition of the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales and, my cohost, Brent Winters. He's, he's gonna make a little late appearance here, it appears today, but that's okay. You'll join us because because we hadn't heard otherwise. Of course, if it was a situation where he couldn't join us, I I wouldn't hear it from him because thank you, Microsoft. Anyway, here we go. Brent will be around directly. Don't know if Francine's gonna show up today or not. But, Roger Sales is your host at this moment, and, it is the August 15.
Halfway through the month. Unbelievable. Summer's almost over for you folks up there, and things get back to you. Well, can I say normal? Is the is the state of our country normal or the world? I don't think so. But, anyway, we'll get back to some semblance of that, I guess. So, Friday's, we are joined by some folks, and we bring Paul out to identify him. I don't guess Allen is, over his legal chores yet. Right? No. Not quite. And see, that's my problem with doing that sort of stuff. Now he's a he is the moving party as they call him here. And, so he's got a burden of proof and some other stuff, and that makes it a little harder for you. But, anyway, we'll welcome his return whenever, Paul, that may be.
Mhmm. So if you could give our other folks proper credit, that we'd appreciate it.
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Oh, goody. Goody. Maybe Paul will even pop over. Who knows? You never know. I see mister Winter's got his horse tied up there at the corral
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and sashayed on him. Oh, Paul was thinking he was gonna try and show up today, but he didn't really know how his afternoon was gonna be going. Of course, they're five hours ahead of us. Yes. Of course.
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Did y'all talk about the cat calling of of female joggers over there in England? You talked about that? Yeah. And and I made,
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I I made a public notice statement that, I am, an American national. I'm a national of The United States Of America. My rights, freedoms, person and property are protected by treaty and international law, and I will say whatever the hell I wanna say. Oh,
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I will I will try and compliment a, attractive female jogging along anytime I wish. Right? Is that your attitude?
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My attitude is they're not gonna tell me what not to say and that I, I, declared the disclaimer that, anything that I say, any opinion that I may have or express is my own and is not a reflection on W B N 324. Oh, that's good. Soapbox.com,
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Paul and Chris live. It is my own. So Uh-huh. Come for me, Gomorrah. I am a Trey. Okay. No. So you disclaimered them right out of the room, did you? Yeah. I just claimed to run out of the damn room. Let's because I know that Brent doesn't keep up with the news and stuff like we do. And I'm gonna wonder I wanna ask you, Brent, have you heard what's going on over there across the pond that we're referring to here? No. I have. No. Good morning, by the way. Well, it it appears that it's now against the, law in England to catcall, whistle, or compliment a female jogger.
And they went so far as to take a squad out, send two little bait bait girls, you know, two little ballyhoo's out in their skimpy little shorts running around. And, then anybody that cat called or whistled them, the the unit would arrest them. I think they got 18 people in one day or some some ridiculous thing. So, that's what's going on on the other side of the pond there, Brent. I I guess. I would think that females would kinda like that as a compliment, but but there again, you never know.
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Well, the lesbian mind, the girls gotta have they gotta express their hatred of men's aggression. Okay. Yeah. That's all it is. Don't you think? That's my my take on it. That's what the century is not all women, just a few lesbian minded women that Yeah. Scream and color and control things. You know? Right. Yeah. I, remember,
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In other words, a couple of vegetarians will spoil the whole the whole soup.
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I remember, before I was married, missus Brent, said that she was walking in Long Beach, California, outside of Long Beach City College where it was. I think that was the first junior college in the country with Long Beach City College. It's a pretty huge institution now. No. It was then too, and that's been fifty years ago. But over fifty years ago, she was walking. It was a nighttime, and, there were some boys there of color. And they watched her walk by, and then one of them said, baby. Catfish, shake it. You know, like that. And, I said, did that bother you?
And she said, no. It didn't bother me. But, it happens more often than men would or, yeah, the men know about and girls know, and that kind of stuff happens. And, but I don't know that it bothered them back then much. I never heard anybody complaining about it. That's called a catcall. Of course, the whistle is part of our culture, and there's a certain way to whistle at a girl. And, of course, whistling is something people when I was being fetched up, that was something people did. If they admired something or they thought it was really good or they would whistle. Yes. Yeah. And there's a certain way to whistle, and you know what that is, Roger. Yes.
Yeah. So, they're insane over there. They're they're getting worse. Is it any wonder is it any wonder that we left and came over here? No.
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Not much.
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No. No. Even and as much as we appreciate our friends over there, even when that happened, things were so controlled over there that folk couldn't stand it. I remember reading, that if you got within this law, if you got within 50 miles of a coastline of that island called Britain with a sack of wool that didn't have letters stenciled on it, it had to be a certain size. I forget what the letters had to say. And then you were arrested of a crime. And, of course, wool was a chief commodity, coming out of the island of Britain, but the control was overwhelming. And that's why America was so prosperous.
And when people from England got here back to three hundred, two hundred and fifty years ago, they were shocked at the way the Americans were living, the size of their houses, the numbers of their servants, their prosperity, and it made them envious. That's one of the reasons why they tried to tie the noose on us. They wanted money. They wanted taxes from people who were making a lot of money. They coulda had the same thing, but parliament controlled everything and government had become nearly total. And that's what you're seeing now here. You you can't make certain noises or they'll arrest you.
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Speaking of noises, there's a little scratch there or something in the background. I don't know if it's you, Brent, or one of the other listeners or something, but those microphones are real sensitive. And if you're moving around, they can give us that little, like, that little sound drop in right there. So I don't know. Paul, is that coming from Brent or somebody else, or do you know? Well, Paul didn't know because he's all That was her because he muted. Okay. Thank you. Well, Roger go ahead, Roger. Did you have something else you wanted to say? Well, I'm not off. Not particularly. Just a lot of stuff going on. I did wanna say that I was correct, at least, in my prognostication of today's meeting, up there in Alaska back in my old stomping grounds because I used to live on Elmendorf.
We lived on base for a couple of years there in the officers quarters, and, mister Putin and mister Trump are gonna get together there on Elmendorf today. So there's two big bases there as you probably know, Brent. There's an army base called Fort Richardson, and it's right absolutely adjacent to the Air Force Base, Elmendorf. And, of course, Elmendorf's got that big runway there, and, it's right at the head of Cook Inlet. And, that's where they flew into, and I'm sure they're taking advantage of the securities and security apparatus that's already installed at Elmendorf that's no doubt been beefed up. But, yeah, I was glad to see Elmendorf pop up again. I spent a few years there when I was young.
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Yeah. Well, ain't there a place up there called Wainwright?
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Yeah. I'm not sure. I don't remember necessarily where Wainwright is.
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Well, I believe it's that base up north of Fairbanks, isn't it? Okay. Yeah. Could be. I'm there's
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this Eielson is another one up there. And that that may be another base. They may have two bases around Fairbanks. I don't know. I never got up to that part of the state. But, yeah, there's several, air force base. Well, you know that it's interesting the because Elmendorf and Fort Rich were both built in, World War two era, thinking the Japs would come and invade Alaska. So there's a huge land area back there that they control because we used to when I was a kid, we'd go out and get some GIs to buy us beer, and we'd go drink beer and go back in that area back there on those roads and go chase moose and stuff. You know? Being just yeah. Well, we had a car. Okay. So they were we had a little advantage there on the moose. But, anyway, yeah, I have fond memories of those days, and, no doubt they're meeting someplace there on Elmendorf. I can't imagine them going off base
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and risking security apparatus stuff with mister Putin, especially. So Well, there used to be a a railroad that run from, Anchorage down there on the coast to Fairbanks.
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Yeah. Yeah. And You could You remember that? Yeah. Well, I know about it. I never did, exercise it, but you can get on that train, and it goes through, absolutely totally remote areas. You know? Uh-huh. And so you wanna go fishing, and you just like yeah. Like on a bus, you press a button and they stop and let you off, and you go off in the in the wilderness and go hunting, fishing, whatever you're doing, and then you come back and wait. And when the train comes back on your return trip, it'll stop for you and pick you up. They used to do that. I'm not sure if they still do. Oh, they used to. When I
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heard that, if it doesn't run, maybe it doesn't now. But the name of the train, like, back in in, back in The States, they had the the the train called the city of New Orleans Right. On the Illinois Central. Arlo Guthrie made that too. Yeah. Well, that was a train that still runs, by the way, but it's not the Illinois Central anymore. But, up there, they call that train that went back and forth the moose gooser.
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I never heard that. It's probably pretty accurate. Oh, hell. Well Or the caribou chaser, because you get a moose. They are kinda individual. They go off and, you know, maybe a mother with a baby. But boy, when the caribou come through, that's a different story because they come through, like, a 150,000, 200,000 of them in a herd. British social. I'm sure. They are. Alright. We'd be here on the radio. Well, there's a herd of caribou about a couple 100,000 at miles so and so, and all all the hunters would throw their gun in the car and go out and, you know, pull off the side of the road and pop a caribou and come on.
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Yeah. Have enough meat for the rest of the winter. Yeah. Same way with moose. Moose are thicker than flies up there. Yeah. Sure. People eat those, put them in the freezer. Well, I got a call. Oh, I got I got a call. No. I talked to a fellow. Put it to it that way. I talked to a listener who listened regularly for a long time. Really? Yeah. And I said, on the phone, I said, oh, you listen. He's he said, oh, yeah. I I get on. I've been on four and been disagreeable with you. I said, well, I don't remember you. And he told me, some things about what he had said. And I said, what's what was your big disagreement? He said, well, he said, I'm a Mormon, and you sometimes criticize Mormon doctrine.
And, I said, yeah. I do that. And he, had we had quite a long conversation, friendly fellow, but he made the point. He said, I don't see it as my job to criticize other people's religions, and he talked about why and all that. I said, well, that's classic Mormon doctrine. You guys don't criticize anybody. That's part of your doctrine and not criticize other other religions, but that's not the doctrine of the Bible. The doctrine of the Bible teaches that there's right and wrong, and and he said, well, that's not my job. Well, I said it is my job. If you don't think it's yours, it is mine. But, again, I stress he was we were friendly, and he was friendly. And he wanted to talk, and he just telling me what was on his mind.
And I asked him about the show, and he he made some comments about you and me. I won't repeat them here. He was being honest. I of course, a few people are, see. So if I think there's an honest man that will talk, I wanna talk to him. I wanna know what he's really thinking. Whether he's right or wrong is is not the the main thing. I just wanna know what he's really thinking. Sure.
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So, we had a That's the politician that's still in you, Brett. Yeah. I guess. But he
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it was nice of him to call and talk and let me know. And there were other things we he wanna talk about. I believe over and plugged myself in here. He wanna talk about, but, Roger, we don't know who's listening to us. There's a lot of folk out there. We have no idea, Brent. No. We have no idea, but I'm glad to so that's why it's nice to know when they call once in a while or let us know they're listening, then that's an encouragement to us. But, I wanted to make a point about Mormon doctrine, and that is this. Number one, as I've said, it's against their doctrine, and that's it's a false doctrine, by the way, to say you don't criticize anybody's religion. That's if if your religion isn't right, yeah. It's Isn't it like law? You you can't really define the common law unless you're comparing it against something. Isn't that a good analogy? Yeah. If you're not willing to do yeah. I and and well, yeah. It is that that way. A matter of fact, our common law tradition is a tradition of religion called Christianity.
And if you don't if, the only way to understand our common law is compare and contrast it with the law of the city. And as you pointed out and and I, of course, agree, if you have a different law, you have a different god. A different god, you have a different law, a different lawgiver. So, religion and government and, law are, inextricably bound together. You cannot separate them. If you've got the right law and government, you've got the right religious point of view. That's fact as a culture. And if you don't, you don't. But, you take, for example, you look at government and law of religious institutions, and you can find out real quick if they've got the right lawgiver.
Institutions, and you can find out real quick if they've got the right law giver. Or no matter what they call him, of course, the Mormons will call him they were they say we worship Jesus Christ, and and then the but then they say the father, the son, the holy spirit, but then they'll turn around doctrinally and and deny the godhead, the triune god, and, dismiss that and then add things to the Bible like the Book of Mormon, which the Bible forbids in many places.
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Those kinds of things. The the big book that they all I remember John referring to a number of times is called Pearl of Great Price.
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Oh, that's another one. But they don't they they don't distinguish, but honestly, And I know they'll disagree with me about this, but I know their doctrine. The constitution of The United States is of equal dignity and inspiration as the Bible. That's their doctrine. We had a supreme court justice whose parents came here from Britain, and, he ended up they came here to be Mormons, and they in the early days, and they migrated to Utah not long after the Mormons settled there. One was from, one of his parents was from Scotland. I believe his mother was, and his father was from England, if I remember right. His name was Sutherland. He became a justice of the Supreme Court, and then he went, BYU.
No. Not b y what is it called? Brit yeah. BYU. Mhmm. BYU has been there a long time. He ended up going to it. And his view and then his mother and father were disillusioned as he was, and they they chucked the whole crazy idea and said we're getting out of this. Right. And they left. But while at BYU and I think this explains Sutherland's point of view. Sutherland held the constitution of The United States in the highest esteem. More so, it to him, it just was and kinda like Scalia, only different, but still, they held the same point of view. They held it up pretty pretty high, and, he probably got that at BYU.
That's a false doctrine too to hold the constitution of The United States on equal dignity with the Bible. That is demeaning to the Bible, and it's adding a a writing of equal dignity to the Bible, and the Bible forbids doing that. Is our constitution of The United States reliable? Yes. Is it, substantially good law? Yes. But it's not perfect. It's not inerrant, and that's why it includes with itself provisions to alter it or change it if need be. The Bible doesn't include that. The Bible doesn't admit of alteration or changes. It's the it's the God's record of his will communicated, of course, in several different forms of John Ray's of literature. Mhmm.
But, Sutherland was that that way. And, again, I'm glad he called, and we'll probably talk again because we well, you get like the who was it used to say it's good to learn even from your enemies? Well, I don't call this guy my enemy, but he certainly were contrary, but I can learn things from him Mhmm. If he'll if he'll allow it. But to be clear, as I always wanna be clear, Mormonism is not Christianity even for all of its all of its names. And it's fundamentally, what Mormonism is is Masonic Lodge. And it I mean, not a little bit. I mean, it is the Masonic Lodge. And Brigham Young was a staunch Mason, and he fashioned everything in, with some alterations, but some tweaking. But it's all masonry. It's all secret religion.
It's all, degrees of learning. Even the temple itself is of the same dimensions, as the masons buildings. You know, we have every little town in America, every big town has a has a blue lodge or a or a, a York lodge or a Scottish Rite lodge. The the building with no windows? Yes. And always usually have the same the ones I've seen, and I think I've read this, and Mackie's, right. You know, Mackie was the wrote what people call the bible of masonry, and, it's authoritative. You know, people say masonry is not a religion, but Mackey says in his book, it most certainly is a religion.
Well, what's a religion? That's an important question. It's one thing to say, well, that's religion. Well, what is religion? That's one of those words that people kick around like cord wood and never stop to define it. What is religion? Well, religion the word religion itself, the definition is in the word religare. It's a Latin based word. Lager is the word same root word as ligament, legion, lig, and it it's a Latin word that means to tie together, to bind. And re means back or again. So religion is a binding back or a tying back. And we'll tie him back to what? To one's lawgiver. One's final arbiter of right and wrong in individual instances from whose decision there is no appeal.
One's lawgiver, and we say God.
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And they'll test Repeat that again. We got some new folks on board. Repeat that again a little slower because this is folks, Todd and your bunch is pretty important right here. Would could you do that on the definition of religion?
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Oh, the definition. I thought you were talking about the definition of a lawgiver, but it's important to define all those things. But religion is your response back. Relaguerre. Okay. You're binding back. Your commitment back, your response back to your lawgiver, whoever your lawgiver is, and, everybody's got one. What is a lawgiver? A lawgiver is a final arbiter, not a final decider. A final arbiter. What's an arbiter? An arbiter is someone who makes a decision but doesn't isn't obligated to give any reasons for his decision. A juror is an arbiter.
He makes a decision, yes or no, up or down, guilty or innocent, but he's not obligated to ever say why. That's called an arbiter. And whoever your final arbiter of right and wrong is is your God, your lawgiver, your final arbiter of right and wrong in individual decisions from who in individual instances from whose decision there is no appeal. That's called, the Old Testament word is Elohim in the plural. That bespeaks the godhead of three persons, the the lawgiver panel. The, New Testament word is taos. Taos, t h o s t h o e s. Different ways you can spell it in English, but it means the same thing. And in the ancient world, that's the way those words were understood, and that's the way they should be understood today. Your final your lawgiver. Well, whoever your law giver is in any given instance, that's your god.
And your response back to your law giver is your religion. I think my law giver, my god wants me to do this. I do what my final arbiter of right and wrong. Some people say I ask people, who's your you got religion? No. Well, who decides for you? Who's your who is the arbiter of right and wrong in your life? Well, I'll ask some Bubba at a gas station. I do that. And nice guys. I like to talk to Bubbas. Bubbas are some of my most favorite people in America. Yeah. Because they don't appear to be sophisticated or intelligent, but they are. They're just smart as anybody else, probably smarter. But they don't put on any air, see, and they aren't formally educated above it. Oh, I guess I am. I get well, I guess you're right then. You're for you got yourself for a god and not too bright. I'll tell him. I don't think that's smart.
But if that's what you want, I guess, and nothing I can do about it. Well, of course, all of us fall into that trap at different times, and the Bible calls that there's a word in the King James Bible called will worship. Paul the apostle says folk like that are will worshipers. Oh, what's a will worshiper? Well, he worship worships what he wants. That's final to him, what I want. It's your own god. See? Well, that's, that's what religion is, and, it's everybody's got it, and everybody's got that final arbiter of right and wrong. And in the Mormon religion, the final arbiter of right and wrong is a is a man who is the present day prophet.
There are probably a few other things, other present other prophets that they go by, but it's ever changing. It's like Rome. You got a different present day prophet who speaks without air. And so they're all saying different things over the centuries and the decades, and pretty soon there's nothing but confusion beyond confusion. And that's exactly what has happened, for example, in the church of Rome. You couldn't you can never learn all the stuff they claim is inspired like the Bible. So and it's confusing and contradictory, all of it. Don't tell me otherwise how how many people really try to read some of the doctrines of the Church of Rome or the Orthodox Church or the Mormon church. Few few people in those churches do. I know that. They just go to church. It seems like they'll say it's a nice thing to do, and we wanna do be nice people. What's that, Roger? And they are nice people. I mean, I've met a number of them. So I met some missionaries down here.
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They're they're nice people. John and Glenn, of course. Glenn's bolted it off in another direction, but John was a devout Mormon. But, I keep hearing, and I just I'm trying to place where, that about Joseph Smith. And as they moved across the country to get to Utah, they stopped in several places, and they drove them out. I think like Missouri. Right?
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Well, Nauvoo, Illinois was the big one, where they were driven out. That's where Joseph Smith was murdered in a jail cell or trying to get out of one. Right. And that that was on Mississippi River, Nauvoo. I've been in Nauvoo. It's over on the West Side. Again, the Mississippi. Then they went to you, yeah, you pointed out Jackson County, Missouri, I believe. But some people came back to Jackson County because the doctrine was from the prophet that that was where they're supposed to be. And, of course, another other people said, no. We're supposed to be in Utah. That was big and I said bigamy young. I had bigamy on the mind, but Brigham Well, that's where that's kinda where I'm going. So go ahead. Yeah. Well well, that's what happened to Smith. See, Smith was a mason, hardcore mason.
And when they got to Nauvoo, they side decided to settle them and put down roots, and, of course, he joined the lodge there in town. Nauvoo's a little place still. But he got, I don't know the whole story, and I don't know what everybody everybody anybody will ever will know it all, but he he liked to have more than one gal. You know? That's polygamy. Young young gals. Yeah. Of course. They're the cute ones, I think. I they're more sexually aggressive. I don't know. But he liked that. And, so, people in the community, the men were getting a little bit nervous about it. And, like, one historian said when white folk get nervous, they start killing people.
Well, they were getting nervous because they had daughters and wives. And this yeah. It was getting out of hand. I mean, you go read about it. You go, oh, boy. Yeah. I can see how they'd be upset. Well, they ended up jailing him in the jail there on the Second Floor, and you can go to the jail. The Mormons own the jail now, so they have interpreters there who will explain to you what happened. You know? So so, like, is that like a trip to Israel? Yeah. It's like kind of a deal. And if you go there but it's it's nice if you ever do that part of the that neck of the woods. Stop and see what they say happened. But, what happened was he was up in the, I think believe it was on the Second Floor if I remember right, and the lynch mob finally showed up and somehow got in. But what I wanted to get out many things happened there. You know, people say, well, he fell in the window or out of the window, but he was shot. But he was he was showing the Mason sign because a lot of the men that were trying to get at him were Masons, and he thought if he did that, that would cover him, but it didn't. I think they riddled him, ventilated him, as they say, and that was into that. And then Brigham Young took over and, yeah, I I do they they did a lot of stuff.
A lot of amazing stuff. And then when they got out west, then we got even crazier. You know? You've heard of the massacre that they did and the angel of death and all those stuff. I don't know anything about that. I'm new. Oh, the the massacre they did on the on the folks from I believe they're from Missouri, Arkansas out there in the out there in the mountains. Oh, yeah. They went out there and just slaughtered men men, women, and children. A movie was made about that recently. And, something Meadows something Meadows Massacre, and somebody will know they've seen the movie. But I believe the guy behind the movie was the fella that years ago, was in catch 22.
Mhmm. Before that, he was in Midnight Cowboy back in the sixties and seventies. What was his name? I don't remember.
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Dustin Hoffman was in the
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pardon me? It's Voigt Voigt. Jon Voigt. Yeah. John Voigt was behind the movie about, massacre out there in the mountains, and I've been to that I've been to that place where that massacre occurred. They waited till the wagon train got out of town, and then they got the order to slaughter everybody, but they said they weren't going to. You know? They they some of them dressed up like Indians, and so the so they thought, the the wagon train would think it was the the pipe no. The Ute, I believe it was. The Ute. Right. Oh, just crazy stuff. That's quite a story, though, but they did make a movie out of it. I don't I've not seen the movie, but they say it's pretty accurate to the facts. Of course, a lot of men were tried, but the ones that really were responsible, Brigham Young probably gave the order, although he was shielded from liability.
It was the militia that did it, the Mormon militia that slaughtered those folks. Well, there are a lot of bad things. You say, well, are there any good things? Well, it it comes down to this. Salvation is not by morality. The Bible does not teach that salvation is by morality. The Bible does not teach that salvation is by keeping the law, the will of God. The Bible does not teach that salvation comes because you're a good person. That's the fault with all false religion. All false religion tells you that somehow if you keep this set of rules or be a good boy or girl or follow this moral code that maybe you'll be good enough that God will accept you. The Bible says that's a doctrine from hell. It's not true. Don't don't be drinking any coffee now. No. And coffee too. All all these rule. Well, does God want us to be lawful people? Yes. But that's not that's not what saves a man from hell. What saves a man from hell is what Jesus Christ did, not what you did.
Jesus Christ did it, period. Mhmm. He did it all. All to him you owe. That's it. Mhmm. And there's nothing in your hand you can bring, only to the cross you can claim. There is nothing. You're you're totally helpless, totally naked, foul. Who was it that wrote the old hymn? Foul I to the fountain fly, wash me savior or I die. Well, that's that's Christianity. All false religion, a lot of them will call themselves Christian, and they'll they'll teach otherwise. It's natural for a person to think in his flesh. Well, god, I wanna be a good person. I hope if I'm good enough that my good will outweigh my bad. That's a doctrine from hell too. Your good will never outweigh your bad. It's not possible. The Bible says Yeah. If you sin at one point, you're guilty and worthy of death, period. That's the end of it. How you gonna fix it? You can't. You're you're bound for hell.
That's what the Bible teaches. So what what remedy is there? God is the remedy, not you. And once God say gives you the new birth, if he does that, then you want in the worst way more than anything in the world. It gives you a new heart, a new mind, a new inclination. You want to learn his law and do it. Keep it. Safeguard it, and you will do it. That's Christianity in living the salvation from hell and living the Christian life. Go ahead, Roger.
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Brent, I gotta change a little bit on another direction just because this is has impressed me so much, this week, and I wonder if you've heard about it or not. Since we don't really have the communication we used to, I would have sent it to you already. You probably have heard something about it. Have you heard anything about this interview with Tucker Carlson about the Shroud of Tern?
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No. I think it might have stopped. Alright.
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Listen. Go wherever you get your Tucker Carlson rumble. Just put Tucker Carlson in the search. First column, there's got all his interviews. You need to watch this. I mean, it's it's it's it's stunning. Okay? What is it? Well, the Shroud of Turin.
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I know, but what do they say? Well,
[00:36:54] Unknown:
there's, the guy I I don't know if I can repeat all all that's in the two hours, but I'll give you a couple of samples that stuck with me. This guy is American professionally. He's probably middle aged. He's been, attached to and and studying along with the the the shroud for most of his career, I guess. Been very interested in it. And, the shroud is now I believe it's in Turin. It's in one of the, in Italy. It's under the control of a family called the Savoy family, And it's in one of these cathedrals over in, I say, turn, it might not be Turn, but one of the Florence or something. And, just recently, you know, they've all it's been around for a long time.
It's been in three fires, the the Shroud House. And and some of them, the edges of the of the, of of the material was burnt or people would handle it on the edges. And back in the fifteen hundreds, they had to repair it in France. It's been through three fires. And, but part of it is on the edges, and when they have done research on it previously, they told people that the edges had been mended and they actually found cotton in those edges where it was repaired and, the but the rest of the, the garment, the the the shroud is linen.
Okay? And so fairly recently, I'm not sure exactly the time frame, but for the first time in a long time, the Savoy family allowed five researchers from all over the globe to come in and and, examine the shroud for five days. And, they they were as as the guy was saying, they were in a bar there and wherever it is in in in Italy. Go, wow. This is great. We get a free trip to to Italy to come see this fraud. You know? And, all of them within fifteen minutes of being in the presence of the shroud totally changed their tune. One of the things that really stuck with me, Brent, is that, first of all, the image on there is not painted.
It's not caused by anything that they could do and replicate today, but he gave a formula, a electric formula for the amount of power that it would take to create this image. And what they conclusion they've come to is that the image was formed when Christ was resurrected. K? And, the the some of the things that are in there are just startling. I mean, if you got anybody that's wavering on their faith, you put them in front of this. K?
[00:39:43] Unknown:
Here's what Roger.
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Okay. Yeah. Yes, Larry.
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God. I can't even get out. Yes, Larry. Did you wanna give another example? And then I'll wait, and I'd like to respond.
[00:39:54] Unknown:
Okay. I was just gonna say that, in in, you know, in the, gospels, it's all validated in all the gospels, according to this fellow, very scholarly. And, remember when they had Christ carry the cross? Well, they didn't evidently in those days, they didn't carry the upright part. They would have them carry the cross section part on their shoulders. It was around a 100, maybe a little 100 plus pounds. And remember when he stumbled in the gospels? They have they have found on his tip of his nose, I believe the palm of his hands and his knees is embedded in the image, is dirt from that fall.
And they analyzed it, and the only place in the world that that dirt is found is in Jerusalem area, and that there's pollen embedded in there, that the only place in the world it blooms is in Jerusalem in the spring. And they're just he just goes over what where he was flogged. He shows you on the on the, garment, the material, and all of that. It's just something that people should watch. I mean, it's just stunning information. A lot of it's new because for the first time, they let these five scientists in for five days. They couldn't didn't let them really mess with it, you know, to to they could I don't know what the extents were. Okay?
But, they said that it's not painted. They're they don't know how the image was formed, and they cannot replicate it today. But it's about two hours long, man, and it's worth watching. Okay? Alright, Larry. What's your what's your comment?
[00:41:48] Unknown:
Okay. If I could have the floor for, like, a minute or two. Alright. The Shroud of Turin is a single piece, emphasis on a single piece of linen cloth, approximately 14 feet three inches in length and three feet seven inches in width. It is woven in a distinctive three to one herringbone pattern. However, it's worth noting that a narrow strip, roughly three inches wide, is sewn into the main body of the shroud along one side. There's debate about whether this strip is part of the original fabric or was added later possibly during repairs after a fire in 1532.
Some scholars propose that the presence of this sewn strip and the irregularities in the weave suggest it might have been cut and then reattached possibly to remove damaged sections. Now remember I read emphasis on, single piece? Here's what the testimony of the scriptures say and the testimony of the disciples, John chapter 20. The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taketh away from the sepulchre, and she runneth and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, they have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him. Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre. So they ran both together, and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre.
And he stooping down and looking in, saw the linen clothes, that's plural, clothes lying, yet went he not in. Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulcher, and seeth the linen clothes lie, and the napkin that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself. Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulcher, and he saw and believed, for as yet they knew not the scripture that he must rise again from the dead. Now in the King James version of the Bible, John chapter 27 describes the napkin or face cloth that was placed on Jesus's head during burial as being folded and set apart from the other burial clothes after the resurrection.
This detail is highlighted to show a deliberate action suggesting the resurrection was not a hurried event or a case of grave robbery according to some Bible commentaries. There's a, here's a more detailed explanation, and so we have the setting, John chapter 20 verses one through 10, which I just read. So Mary Magdalene, she discovers the empty tomb. She finds the burial clothes, but not Jesus's body. The napkin's location specifically mentions that the napkin was placed over Jesus's face, was not merely discarded like other clothes. Instead, it was wrapped together in a place by itself. Now here's the significance. This detail is often interpreted as a sign of order and intentionality.
It suggests that Jesus's departure from the tomb was not a chaotic event, but a deliberate one, and that the resurrection was not the result of grave robbery. Contrast with burial practices, in typical Jewish burial practices, the napkin would have been discarded along with the other burial clothes. The fact that it was folded and placed separately implies a purposeful action. Some believe this detail holds deeper symbolic meaning, while others see it as a straightforward observation of the physical state of the tomb after the resurrection. My conclusion, the Shroud of Turin is an unreliable hoax. It is a one piece burial cloth while the testimony of the disciples describes Jesus's burial clothes consisting of two pieces.
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Mhmm.
[00:45:53] Unknown:
That's all about that and what the day what's the date on it? Do you know?
[00:46:00] Unknown:
Well, I I was just putting this together through my own research.
[00:46:05] Unknown:
Okay. So it wasn't an article. It's a piece. Well, you know, you'll go watch the thing, come to your own conclusions. That's all I'd tell you. It was stunning to me. There's some incredible facts that they have discovered. It has been, and I don't know if I'm sure it was probably before or after this guy wrote whatever, Larry just read to us. But they because they didn't used to let it get researched, you know? And when they did, they told the guy not to not to do the corner because that had been repaired and damned if that isn't where they went to the corner. Okay? And you can tell evidently on a distinct difference in the dirt, the quality of the cloth, like the edge is dirtier. Just a second, please.
And, but you watch it and come to your own conclusions. I was stunned, and, I don't think after what I saw, I've got much veracity about it being a hoax. I don't believe it's a hoax. Yes. Who was that trying to Roger there?
[00:47:04] Unknown:
It's Samuel. Okay. Yeah. The, the face cloth is called a sudarium, and the sudarium that is out there that they're looking at as a relic and the reason they used it is in in Jewish law. If there was a violent death, the blood was to be collected and and buried with the body. They knew that when they would take Jesus down from the cross, then they push up on him to get him off the cross that the lungs would probably come through his, the fluid and his lung and stuff would come through the nostrils and be a mess. And so they wrap this cloth around his head to pull him down.
And that actually is the most important thing about these two relics together. They match. They're both AB positive. Yes. They both have the same pattern, blood pattern on them. There's a way I watched the Tucker piece, Roger. It's okay. And and and Jeremiah Johnson is a good expert, but there's another one done by a gentleman by the name of Doug Powell. And Doug spends a three hour interview with another guy, and the other guy knows better questions as than Tucker. And they go through a way more detailed of course, they take three hours too. So he he gotta be fair to Johnson. He got in what he could in an hour and a half.
But, there's just with those two together, I mean, some mathematicians have done the odds of some of this stuff, and it's in the billions to one. I see. In some cases really well, whatever.
[00:48:53] Unknown:
It's a really interesting reexamination of the Shroud of Turin with somebody that's been affiliated with it for many years. And some of the latest scientific version and things that have come out of for the first time, it's been examined by five leading scientists from around the world who all went in and after fifteen minutes said,
[00:49:16] Unknown:
my opinion's totally changed. Rick, was that you? Well, that that's that's their team in 1978 actually had 33 scientists. And, of course, the only thing that they in all of the their their work Right. Basically, was was was an agreement that it's not a man made thing. Right. Yet they took that that one old sample, which was obviously repaired. They knew what time it was repaired, and it comes in on the date it was repaired. Uh-huh. They had originally agreed to take seven samples throughout the shroud, but the archbishop that was in control of that was sort of like, what part of my body do I want to cut off here? Is it my little finger? Is it my tool?
[00:50:03] Unknown:
If you take a sample from the linen, when you're Sam going through the evaluation, the sample is destroyed. That's the problem. K? That's why they took samples from the edges where it had been repaired. And what did they find?
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Cotton. K? Not linen. The repair date. Cotton. What they found Roger was the repair date.
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Okay. So what they what publicized.
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Alright. Alright. Who else was trying to say something on a minute ago? Is it you, Rick?
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Yeah. Just a little factoid. AB positive is a universal
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receiver. Right. But it's pretty it's very rare blood type. I can tell you that. AB negative is probably the rarest of all blood types. They didn't give an RH factor on that. Right. But anyway, Brent, go go watch it. I think you'll The mine factor is positive.
[00:50:56] Unknown:
Pardon me now? That's positive. Positive a r a b positive is positive RH factor.
[00:51:03] Unknown:
Yes. And I said, I think the negative is probably one of the rarest in the world because I'm a negative blood type guy. Brent.
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Yeah.
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Just watch that. I think you'll find it. Well, I think you'll find your time well spent. Put it that way. Oh, it'll be fun. Many decades ago,
[00:51:21] Unknown:
I went to a place in Nevada that was a ghost town. It's not a ghost town now. It's it's, kind of a lively place, but at that time, it was a ghost town, and the name of it was Virginia City. Oh, yeah. Right south, not well, it's up the hill from Truckee Park. Mark Twain was? Right. Right. Well, I I went there, and there was there were, two two businesses open in that town. One of them was the oldest oldest continually running tavern in the state of Nevada. The name of it is the bucket of blood. That was open. And the other other place that was open, all the other shops along Main Street were shut down. The other one was on the other side of the street, and it was called, the silver lady. And it's a big old, it's a bar and had a a a image of a lady, a great big tall thing about 20 foot tall made out of silver dollars.
And from there, you could enter the the Comstock Load Mine and, go down in it. They did have that there, but there wasn't much else there. So I went up the hill. It's, of course, in, mountainous, kinda hilly. It's a hit well, mountains really to me where the Comstock Load is, and I've been driving around the old streets. They're about three or four streets, the main street, and then a couple off the side. There might have been a church down the hill that was open, I think, a Methodist church. But I went up a hill up the hill, the next block off the main street, and that was on the edge of town, and there was a great big Opry Hall up there. I could tell it was an Opry Hall because the way it was built. You know, back before they had movies and TV and all that, they had opera houses in the little towns. They'd invite people to come in, make lectures, and and do plays and all that kind of stuff. So I was trying to look in the windows. It was a big building by all by itself.
Pickup truck come along. Got stopped. Uh-oh. Brent, hold on. All of them.
[00:53:31] Unknown:
Could somebody please hit their mute? Your your background conversation's coming in. Yeah. Thank you. Go ahead, Brent.
[00:53:38] Unknown:
Pickup truck stopped. The fella got out. Yeah. Oh, not too old. Maybe about 30, and he he sauntered over and said, you wanna see inside that building? I said, well, how are you gonna get me in? He said, well, I'm the I'm in, chief of the fire department here. They did have a fire a volunteer fire department men that lived around there in case anything caught on fire. Sure. He said, oh, I got the key to the hasp on that lock. They just had a hasp lock on the door. And he said, let's go in. I'll show you show you the inside. He said it's really rather amazing. The building looked like it was falling down on the outside. She said the lady lady outside of town here owns it. Her family's had it since the beginning.
Well, he opened her up, and we went inside, and I was my jaw hit the hit the floor. I was stunned at what I saw. I saw a beautiful what was a beautiful ornate? Opry house. I walked up on the stage, and the stage was built at an angle, you know, lower in the front, little higher in the back so the audience could see better, the actors. Uh-huh. Had a a velvet curtain. It was about four inches thick. Wow. That's expensive. Not kidding. And it had the most beautiful images embroidered on it. I remember it was purple. And then at the end of the back, it had a what was a bar, and, of course, it held a lot of people. But here's the point I'm getting to. All along all over the walls was linen.
Linen was tacked all over the walls because linen is white and it's pretty and it looks fresh, but the linen was had rotted from the bottom up about halfway up the wall. Oh. Well, linen is, of course, a biodegradable material. It's made from a plant. And linen,
[00:55:34] Unknown:
especially from flax, I believe.
[00:55:38] Unknown:
Well, yeah. We can you we can look it up, but it it linen decomposes rapidly
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Correct.
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Especially in a place like France where there is moisture in the air. I was in Nevada where it is the Alakai Desert, and those mountains didn't have any vegetation on them. It was dry, and that stuff still rotted. That place had been closed up probably well, that about a 100 little over a 100 years. Uh-huh. Well, they cover something like that in this interview.
[00:56:12] Unknown:
Well, I'm sure it did. Linen gives off a, can can I say an out gas? There's an out gas of a gas that they know of. And, it it the the shroud has none of that in it, allow allowing them to at least date it back to around when it should be dated. So Uh-huh. Go ahead. But he said the only enemy of linen, there's two, oxygen and light. Uh-huh. Yeah. It can rot. Uh-huh. Yes. And the shroud, they keep it in this cathedral, and he named a word of a a a room where they keep these type of objects, and it's all enclosed in, I guess, glass or plastic now.
And, it's in it's in a they've got the the air in there is is some kind of gas that's, you know, opposite oxygen. So they'll take it out and let you look at it evidently.
[00:57:13] Unknown:
Oh, that's the first observation. And linen decomposes more rapidly than most other things. Uh-huh. Piece of linen can decompose in the in the Midwest for in a couple weeks, and that's from what I read about. But second second, and Larry made this point, it talks about the cloth or the fabric that was in the the grave, and it was a a grave that was donated by a wealthy man, But, well, it was like a mausoleum is what it was. Uh-huh. What around, it was in the rock. And the the cloth that was on him, according to the record we have, the gospel records, and he quoted, I believe, Luke chapter 22.
But the word that's used there, he said it's, clothes, plural. Well, it is clothes, plural, but it's more plural than that. The word means strips or, yeah, strips of linen. Strips, plural, of linen. That's the clear literal meaning of the word that, Luke records there. Mhmm. Well, that being true, of course, that wouldn't go along with the shroud. Another word is not biblical. It just simply does not square with the record that we have. Mhmm. Then the third thing is, why would anybody care about it? Now it's it's rather odd. It is true that all over Europe, over the over the centuries, there have been all sorts of relics.
You know, Hitler himself was, fascinated with Christian relics, and he was in search, among other things, the ark, that was really true, the ark of the covenant. He was had his boys out looking for that. And, also, the spear, the Roman soldier used to pierce the side of Jesus Christ to make sure he was dead. Mhmm. That didn't kill him. He was already dead. But, he did thrust a spear into his side. Normally, men would break the legs of those on the weak. Net to or, a fastened gibbeted Right. We say. Break their legs so they would die quicker, but, they didn't have to because he was already dead. Right. He goes over all this stuff you're talking about right now in, in the interview. But, but, the relics of all those things have been a fascination, and the Roman church, not to mention the Greek Orthodox church, has built their their organization on the fascination of relics.
They did not. Those churches are not built upon the scriptures, upon the word of God. They're built upon relics. Mhmm. Of course, once you do that, the the fake and the hoaxes proliferates. At one time, it was counted in Europe alone. There were over 50 index finger bones in different places of cathedrals, different cathedrals that each one of them claimed that that was the index finger, the bones of the index finger of John the Baptizer that he used to point to Jesus Christ when he said, behold, the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world. Of course, I remember reading about the the priest in France someplace that got up in the more on a Sunday and said he had a feather that came from the wing of an angel that had come to visit him that morning.
I went to church one time with a friend here around home, and I we got in the building. There was gold color, colored flakes all over the all over the seats of the pews. And when the preacher got up to preach, he said that God had blessed blessed us this morning by dusting the pews with gold dust. And I said to the lady that went to church there, I'm visiting with her, and I said, you don't really believe that, do you? Because they all acted like they believed it and were hallelujah and praise God and all that. And I said, you don't really believe that, do you? And she finally confided in me and said, no. But it's just a lot of fun to think it could be true, and that's, I guess, why I do it. I don't know why other people do it. But people want relics of dead things like that. This is morbid in my studied opinion to be fascinated over bones. And, there was a fella in Scotland, and when he died, he had a fella no. Let's see. No. He asked a fella named Douglas to take his heart, put it in a cut it out of his body, put it in a in a lead sealed box, and carry it to Jerusalem, which he did.
Why? That's a waste of money, a waste of time, and it's it's it's a culture of death to do those kind of things. Jesus Christ is not in a grave. He's not nailed to a crucifix. He's alive, and he's bodily alive and resurrected in the body, and he sits at the right hand of the father from whence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead as the old creed says. That's biblical. But those kind of things where you see those kind of things, relics, This is my observation just, reading history and observing. Where you see those kind of things, people will be distracted from the true evidence of Jesus Christ, the accurate evidence, the reliable evidence of Jesus Christ to the degree that they will be fascinated with relics.
Oh, that's my study conclusion for what it's worth. Anybody wants to listen. Maybe I'm wrong. Don't think of him or I wouldn't say it, but I don't believe I don't believe God would have us pay any attention at all to relics when we have, as Peter says, the a real a source of evidence more reliable than the audible voice of God coming out of heaven, he said, which I heard I heard, but we have a more reliable word in the what we call the Bible, The expressed will of God and explaining. And where he wants to, he explains what he does. He doesn't have to, but he does. So he is an arbiter. And remember, an arbiter is not somebody who doesn't ever explain what is the reasons for what he does. An arbiter is one who has no obligation to.
And Mhmm. We're I've talked to jurors, for example, that have explained why they came to the verdict they come to. Others have told me I don't wanna talk about it. It. That's because they have no obligation. Well, that's what we have in the Bible. And I don't know, I don't see anywhere, anywhere in the Bible where relics are are, authorized. That's what I know about it for what it's worth, Roger.
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Okay. Well, I just found it very interesting. It was very convincing to me. Of course, I'm just a little old country boy from the Florida Panhandle. But, it was pretty, impressive to me, and I would think you would want to watch it and glean what you can out of it.
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And,
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I found it fascinating. So wherever,
[01:04:58] Unknown:
wherever and whenever, we've been talking about it this week on the show, and under a number of folks have, watched it. Yes, sir. Oh, I was just gonna say, I will rock I will watch it because you asked me to, and I'm sure I will find it of of interest because, it's something that's very popular, and then maybe I'll be able to talk about it more intelligently.
[01:05:19] Unknown:
Mhmm. Well, he brings out, you know, where they attach your wrist to the to the cross. He brings out, an example of the nails. Yep. Because they were scarce, you know, iron metal material was scar scarce, and they would reuse those things. And he also brings out and hands to tucker us, example of the sword that was used to pierce his side. But there's just some fascinating stuff in there to me. So, anyway, Roger. Yeah. Well, there's somebody Larry. Yes, sir?
[01:05:57] Unknown:
Yeah. Brent was talking about how the, Shroud of Turin is a relic, and I just like to add that there's a that I did watch that video, most of it. I still gotta finish it up, but I forget what this gentleman's name was that was being interviewed by Tucker Carlson by Sam Sam. Sam
[01:06:21] Unknown:
what was that? Sam Samuel knew. He mentioned it. Samuel, would you remember the guy's name? He may not be in a position to answer. Go ahead, Drew. Oh, guys, Narliston, he said that the Shroud of Turin
[01:06:37] Unknown:
is both an artifact and a relic, and this is just FYI. An artifact is a general term for any object made or modified by humans, while a relic is a specific type of artifact that has religious or spiritual significance often associated with a holy person or events. Now get this. In essence, all relics are artifacts, but not all artifacts are relics.
[01:07:08] Unknown:
Hold it. Hold it. Samuel, is that you talking in the background? I asked you a question.
[01:07:14] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm sorry.
[01:07:16] Unknown:
That's okay. Who what was the guy's name? Roger? I didn't hear. What was the guy whose name was being interviewed?
[01:07:24] Unknown:
Jeremiah Johnson.
[01:07:27] Unknown:
Okay. Alright. So there you go, Larry. Jeremiah Johnson. Thank you. Sergeant Sturbius. Same, but go ahead, Larry.
[01:07:39] Unknown:
Did I I think I read it all. Did you, did I get cut off? Yeah. Well, kinda. Samuel was answering. Jeremiah Johnson was the guy's name that was being interviewed. Oh, okay. Well, all all I'm saying is an artifact is a general term, describing an object made or modified by humans, and a relic has certain spiritual or religious significance. So all relics are artifacts, but not all art but not all artifacts are relics. Well, that's very important
[01:08:09] Unknown:
define definitions difference there. So did anybody else have any comments on on on this Shroud Of Turin thing, or we can go off in another direction? If you got a question for Brent, now might be a time while they're formulating that. Brent, at the top of the hour, just hold on a second if you would. Why don't you give your, disclaimer now on your website and all your stuff, and then anybody with questions we'll address after that. Okay? Brent, are you there? Yeah. Okay. Did you you didn't ask me a question, did you, Roger? Yeah. I see what you wanna talk about. This minute. It's right at the top of the hour. Give us the website and all your stuff. Oh, okay. Talk about commonlawyer.com.
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Yeah. Commonlawyer.com. Go to commonlawyer.com. Www.commonlawyer.com. You can find their, materials that you can take advantage of, and you can join us for our law classes. We're teaching a law class now in comparative law. You can go to the website and sign up, and, also, you can get the book. We're using this as a textbook, 958 pages by yours truly called excellence of the common law, comparing and contrasting our law of the land, our common law tradition, with the law of the city, the civil law tradition that rules almost every country in the world in one of its, three or four forms. The law of the land, our common law versus the law of the city called the civil law. You can also get the winterized translation of the Bible in digital form, translating from the original tongues, the Greek, the New Testament, the Koine Greek, and the Hebrew and some Aramaic from the older testament, toward a raw translation, I call it.
Over 35,000 footnotes explaining why I translate the way I do in a lot of places and over 200 appendices, tracing major themes through the warp and the woof of the text of the context of the Bible. You can get that in a hard copy. I believe it's, five volumes because the footnotes, five volumes, and they're oh, they're seven, eight hundred pages apiece, six, seven hundred, eight hundred pages, five volumes. And then you can get it in digital as well, plus other books, commentary, clause by clause, blow by blow on, constitution of The United States and the declaration of '76 and also outlines, an outline.
The cost our constitution and our declaration are well outlined. They're organized to the IT, and they ought to be presented that way. Why they aren't? I don't know. But they are. And I it's just nice people think to have one, I suppose, and not worry about what's in it like they do the Bible. But we wanna promote those, the laws of nature, unwritten, the nature of creation, and the laws of nature of God written in the Bible. Alright. Go to the website, take the course on Magna Carta, clause by clause, and blow by blow. Lots of courses. Contracts, trust law, how to draft, asset protection trust, have a course on that.
Take advantage of those. Brent Allen Winters, commonlawyer.com.
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I'm gonna step in front of anybody right there because I got a question that came up during the week I didn't know about. Can people be put in a trust?
[01:11:33] Unknown:
You can put your dog in a trust. Well, but you don't really put them in the trust. You entrust them. That's what you do. A trust is not an entity. You can put something in a corporation because a corporation is, for, in contemplation of the courts is a person that can hold property. A trust is not a person. It's not a corporation. The state doesn't have to sign off on it. It's, privately done, and, it's not a corporate entity of any kind. So you don't put something in a trust. You entrust something. That's how that works. But but, yeah, there are people that do set up trust. You can put because your dog is property. So but here's another interesting twist on it. Any right you have is property. It's yours. Of course. As Jefferson said, we have property in our rights and the rights in our property. Mhmm. It's two words that are two forms of the same thing. And a lot of rights we have are not tangible.
If I have a right to benefits, that's not tangible. If I have a right to, stock securities, those are what we call soft asset assets in an intangible. If I have a right to see my children, well that's not tangible, but it's real. If I have a right to keep and bear a firearm, that's that right itself is not tangible, but it's real. And those kinds of rights that are not tangible can be entrusted in a trust. Yes, they can. A contract right can be entrusted in a trust because a contract right is property. You see? Right. So, yeah, some of those things are true. But, here's the question. Do I have a right? Let me ask you this. Do I ask this question, hypothetically, does my wife have a right in my body?
And the answer is yes, she does. Not only according to the Bible, according to our common law tradition, according to the laws of our states. Right. Is that a right that she can sell? No. No. It's not sellable. It's not transferable. It's not negotiable, but it is a right.
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There's no question about that. Sure she can sure exercise it if you step out of line.
[01:13:48] Unknown:
Open up a can of whoop. Well but I think Paul was gonna say something, wasn't he? He was. I jumped in front of him like a ringtone. There you go, Paul, please.
[01:13:58] Unknown:
Let's see if I can remember what I wanted to ask. Let's see. Oh, no. I just wanted to make a comment. I am, I'm assembling the email list, for, sharing information on how to, enroll in the Radio Ranch Trust Group. And it looks like it's gonna be about 50 people doing that. So Woah. Just give you an idea.
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Gotcha, man. You'll have to you'll have to bring out your fancy clothes and stuff.
[01:14:32] Unknown:
Yes. I'm encouraged because the trust is only found only recognized in common law countries like ours, and it is integral integral to our ability in our country to produce and to manage wealth. And the rest of the world doesn't have it. It won't recognize it. But for us, it's been viable. And the the evil empire and the useful idiots thereof have been at war to try to get rid of it for centuries. Henry the eighth even pushed through legislation through parliament to declare all holders of beneficial interest of trust to be outright owners of the property of which they are benefit they hold beneficial interest.
Now the beneficial interest of property is a tangible right that a trust establishes, but it's not something that's or an an intangible rather. It's not a tangible right, but it's real. Mhmm. And that's what a trust does. It defines or it divides, entrusted property into two titles, a legal title, which is ownership of the property itself, that's in the trustee, and beneficial title, which is Uh-huh. Right to the benefits of the property, and that's in the beneficiary.
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Yeah. Or the property itself if if they switch his hands.
[01:15:53] Unknown:
Well, yeah. The property itself is the is the ownership, the legal title, and the trustee.
[01:16:01] Unknown:
Well, y'all gonna have a good class, and I'm glad to see Paul put that together and everyone and Todd for you or anyone else is new. Anyone listeners to the program can, can join in this. Paul, do you wanna give out your email address? Is anybody listening that might want to participate can get ahold of you? Yeah. I can do that. All you have to do is send an email
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to me. That's [email protected], and just put the word trust in the subject line. And my, and I move all of those to a trust folder, and then that's where I'm generating the list. Every email in there is going on the the blast email that'll be sent out. Okay. And I might have to split it up into, like, three pieces because I actually have more than 75 emails in there, but there are some duplicates
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that I have noticed. So We're getting around to it. Don't get antsy. When do you anticipate that this might, kick off?
[01:17:08] Unknown:
I'm hoping that the first, the first group that we do, will be Wednesday next week. I'm thinking Wednesday, 08:00 eastern, something like that. Mhmm. Cool.
[01:17:22] Unknown:
Alright. For all the listeners, new, old, whatever, so you know about that. If you'd like to participate, send Paul a email. We can do that. Now were there other folks that are lined up there with questions? I missed all But one more thing. Roger. Oh, ho. Hey, Heather.
[01:17:37] Unknown:
Paul is not finished. I'm not done yet. I'm not ready to pass the baton quite yet. Now, the, the trust course as part of the Radio Ranch Trust Group is discounted to $30 a head. Okay? But that doesn't mean that you have to wait for the Wednesday evening organized trust group. You can I mean, you're fully enrolled to access that trust through commonlawyer.com? You can you can, study ahead. You can miss a week and then catch up. You can do if you're not available on Wednesdays, you can do it yourself and go through it. You've got every right and every opportunity to catch all of those episodes whether or not you want to take part in the Wednesday night meeting. Okay?
So, go ahead and sign up and and just work at your own pace if you wish. It's up to you. Hey,
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service we are offering, I guess. Now who was talking at the bit to get in there? I was in the Before we move on, Mark Mark Mark of this There was there was two or three guys trying for the last ten minutes. We'll address them first, please. Yes, sir?
[01:18:54] Unknown:
Yes. It's Christian. Hey. Hey, Christian. Would you I didn't understand that. P g what would you spell that? What is it? Meaner or what? Beaner. Beaner. Beaner.
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It's papa.
[01:19:05] Unknown:
The Mexican like they call the Mexicans down there in Texas, beaners. Go ahead. Yeah. No. It's spelled different. It's papa Oh, sorry.
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[email protected].
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There you go, Christian. Okay. Thank you so much. You're welcome. Phonetically spelled out for you, buddy. Who else is I think somebody else are trying to get in, then we're gonna go to Murr. Who else?
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Was that just Christian? I I just wanted to to say that, you know, the the Bible is the ultimate evidence of the resurrection of Jesus Christ, and the shroud evidences all of the things that happened in the Bible. Sure. And that's how they're coming to the conclusions about it that they're coming to. They're coming through the Bible and the witnesses there as to its potential authenticity.
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Veracity.
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And not the other way around it. Yes. They are. It's worth watching. You know, whatever your opinion is, worth watching. There's some real solid facts presented there that some of them have never been presented before. Okay. Samuel's done. Who else was wanting to get in? And if not, we're gonna go to Murr. Hold on, Linda. Hold on. Murr's ahead of you. Who No. Let me go. Any other guys Yeah. Linda go. To get in? Okay. Murr, what do you got? And we're gonna go to Linda.
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Let Linda go.
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Alright, Linda. We're gonna put you in the front. What you got, girl?
[01:20:48] Unknown:
Thank you, Murr. Yes. I wanted Brent to, if he could, expound upon the difference between a 508 c one a Yeah. Yeah. Church versus a 501 C three church. And I also wanted him to answer the question between an ecclesiastical trust versus, the other kinds of trust that exist, high yield.
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Was that question directed toward me, Roger? Yes, sir. No. It was towards you. Oh, okay. Yeah. That's good. Well, first, I wanna make a point about evidence. The great the most reliable and the controlling evidence of the resurrecting resurrection of Jesus Christ, not to mention his life, death, burial, ascension, and all other things about him is the Bible. That means that there's the Bible needs nothing to support it. That does mean also that the Bible would support any other evidence that's offered. It's not the other way around. There is no evidence that supports the Bible. If you go to court, you find the same thing. It is the it is the evidence of words that supports all other evidence.
Other evidence does not support the evidence of words. The same thing is true that's our common law rules of evidence. Same thing is true with the Bible. The Bible is the evidence. It controls everything else. Everything stands or falls on whether or not the Bible says it's true. For example, pointed out a while ago that clearly whatever was on Jesus Christ was strips, separate strips, multiple plurality of strips of linen, not not a single shroud. That seems clear. Matter of fact, it is clear. That's exactly what the word means that the that, Luke uses when he records that. And the evidence the reliability of the evidence of the Bible or just to put it to the common law test is so overwhelming according to our evidence rules that, it's incontrovertible and irrefutable.
So that's the number one thing. Just wanted to point out the laws of evidence, however you wanna apply that. That's not my business to apply it for you. I wouldn't know how to do that anyway. I just know what the rules are. But number two, an ecclesiastical trust versus another kind of trust. Well, the word trust is thrown around and misused quite a bit. And to say ecclesiastical trust, I'm not sure what she meant by that. There are two kinds of, in America in America, throughout the the hinterland, the flyover America, churches were formed. Property was set aside usually by donation. Some fellow had a little extra property. It wasn't good for any production, but be a good building site. I went to church, place where a man who had a lot of oil money and a lot of land, the Stratton family, who I knew very well. They're all gone now. I don't know. The name's gone, but the family descendants are still around.
And they donated a corner land there, and that land then, according to the laws of our state and the laws of every state that I've dealt with, say that church property like that where there's a little church building is, entrusted land. All land in The United States, like all other property, all land has an owner, and it's up to the courts if we can't figure out who it is to do a quiet title or something and figure out who the owner is. Well, the laws of Texas and Illinois, for example, a couple of states I'm aware of, if you if there's a church set in a country church of which there are thousands across America, The law just says, well, that church the land and that building is entrusted property.
And so when I was growing up, we go into church, and every year we'd vote on trustees to see who the two trustees were that would hold legal title to that land. Somebody had to hold it and it was up to us. We wanted to designate who it was. Well, we could do that, and we did that every year. And but even if we didn't do that, it was still in trusted land, and, a trust would be a trustee would be found someplace to hold title if need be. But we were, we were, active in in making sure that happened. But that's a a trust, and some people would call that, well, that's an ecclesiastic trust. The word ecclesiastic is, from the New Testament, the Greek New Testament, ekklesia, and it means to be subpoenaed.
And what it means and the word translated church means the subpoenaed group. That's what that means. God has subpoenaed his people. And by the way, subpoenas, even in our and if you don't like the way I pronounce that word, that's okay. I like it that way. That's what they say at home, zapini. But if the, a zapini is only to an individual, it's never to a group. Sounds like an Italian sounds like an Italian dish. Go ahead. Yeah. The card. Yeah.
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In the receipt. Okay.
[01:25:51] Unknown:
What's that? Hold on. There's conversations going on in the background. Could y'all please mute or take care of that? It's interrupting.
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Ekklesia is the word, we say, ecclesiastic. That just means what we'd say in English, the church. And, but really what that is the is the subpoena God's subpoena group. And if he subpoenaed you, that means he's gonna get you. You don't ignore a subpoena from from even a judge. They'll send the sheriff after you. Well, God's even more intense than that. He never fails to get who he wants. Right. So if he subpoenas you subpoenas you, you'll feel it and you'll do something about it. Well, the ecclesiastic that's an ecclesiastic, in other words, a church use of a trust. But there is another thing that is Roman from the Roman civil law, the law of the city called the corporation sole, s o l e, s o l e. That means one. There are two kinds of corporations in the world. There's corporations aggregate.
Aggregate, that means more than one shareholder, and then there's a corporation's soul. That means there's one shareholder, just one. Uh-huh. Roman church, traditionally has organized itself under corporation souls, and so the archbishop or the bishop someplace would be the sole shareholder that owns all the interest in the corporation that holds all the church property from the cathedral to the to the prayer books, to the baptismal, to the graveyard, everything. And this corporation, Soul, of course, recognized in some states. In Washington, for example, the state of Washington, there's a 1915 statute that is now supposedly defunct unless you're grandfathered in under it.
In, other states, the courts just recognize the corporation's soul if there's a a church dispute and there's a the Roman church bishop or cardinal or something is involved. It has also said that the Mormon church is organized at some levels as a corporation soul. That's an ecclesiastic corporation, though. That's not a trust. That's different. A trust is not an entity. Not the courts do not view the trust as a person. No. No. The, the a corporation is a viewed as a person that owns property. A trust is not a person that owns property. The trustee owns the property by holding legal title. The beneficiary holds beneficial title, but whoever holds legal title owns the property.
That's the difference. One of the fun that is the major fundamental difference between a trust and a corporation. A trustee owns the property and from that flows all the benefits that we can cite as the the uses of a trust. So the Ecclesiastic Trust, the only one I ever heard of, but we didn't call it that, was just where the trustees own the church property. But there is something called a corporation soul that, the Roman church, the, Mormon church, it reportedly I've read. All I know what I read about that. And also the Hutterites.
The Hutterites from Western Washington, Eastern Idaho, Idaho, Washington up into Canada are the Hutterites, a Germanic group that look like Amish, but they ain't. They look like it. They dress like them. They like to farm. They make lots of money, but they're not Amish. They're I've never heard of them. Yeah. Oh, no. A fascinating group, but they're different. And, they, they are communist as pure communist as anyone in the world. Oh my lord. And their communism is confined to their extended families. In other words, the patriarch owns everything.
He holds, interest in all the property of the farming operation of an extended family of parents, children, grandchildren, grandparent. Whoever is the oldest is the patriarch and then, grandchildren and going out to up to 70 to 150 people and they're communist because, everybody shares alike. But you can read about the Hutterites. I think it's h u e t e r or h e u t e r. I I forget. But their corporation's sold. That's all I know about that in answer to that question.
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Well, you know, Brent, I've commented many times on my years down here in South America that in every town here has a square circle. And on one of at least one of the sides is usually the administrative building for the for the area, for the city, or whatever it is. And then there's a Catholic church there. But any other places in the area where there is just really primo property with views and tops of hills and that kind of stuff, there's there's a Catholic church on every one of them. K? Uh-huh. I mean, it's stunning. So you're telling me that some bishop or somebody over there in in in Rome has complete ownership of all of that all over the world. Is that what I gathered from that in this corporation sole type of operation?
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Title will not be it's not in a person, you see. It's in a corporation called a corporation soul with a single shareholder, and the single shareholder is the cardinal or the bishop or the even the pope of Rome. It is also said, by the way, that the crown of England is a corporation sold and all the wealth of the crown of England and largest landholder in the world probably Yeah. Has owned the person that owns it is the corporation's soul, not the not the person who holds the crown. Uh-huh. And so when the person that holds the crown dies, when a corporation is sold, the person who owns all the interest in the property that the corporation holds, when he dies, then his successor just steps into his place as Seamless. That interest. Yeah. Just seamless transition.
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Yes. But not owner of the property, you see. The Right. Right. Controller. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. I don't want any, you know, Rockefeller. I don't wanna own anything. I wanna control everything.
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Uh-huh.
[01:32:13] Unknown:
A mechanism here. Yes. Larry, was that you trying to say something?
[01:32:16] Unknown:
If I if I Yeah. I am. Well, I appreciate it.
[01:32:21] Unknown:
I'll corrected. Hold on, Larry. Linda's not finished and Mer's behind her. Go ahead, Linda.
[01:32:27] Unknown:
Right. Thank you, sir. I asked the first question was the difference between a 508C1 a versus a 501C3. That was my first question, and you went to the second question, which I Okay. State. Thank you. Yes. Did you know about these 508508
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churches? Versus
[01:32:48] Unknown:
Yeah. The Roger, were you gonna answer that? Do you want me to No. I don't know the answer to it. Oh, well, a five five zero one c three is a provision of the IRS code that Lyndon Johnson, when he was senator in Texas, rammed through Congress with with the, what was the 1954
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revision of the infernal revenue code. Wow. Right there around Brown versus Board of Education. Right at the same time frame. Go ahead. But the reason he did that
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was because the First Baptist Church in Dallas, Texas, by the eighties, it was called the largest Protestant church in America. I think it had about 20,000 members. Southern Baptist Church, pastor was Wally Criswell, great Bible expositor. But he and the church put up a young fellow to run for US Senate against Lyndon Johnson. And the Christian churches, they were sick of Johnson, his left wing communist wacko point of view along with FDR, and they wanted to get rid of him. And so they ran this young fellow against him, and they had money behind him. And you know how powerful Christianity has always been in Texas. And the church has got behind him, and if he hadn't cheated, if if, as the Democrats are want to do in a big way, he wouldn't have won the election. He said this will never happen to me again, and I'm gonna make it illegal for churches to to, speak out on political issues and support political candidates.
And, so he put that in. But trouble is that it couldn't he couldn't it wasn't legally possible for him to do that or for the five zero one c three to do that. But they promoted the five zero one c three like this and got away with it. They said this. The IRS, the powers that be said, hey. If you're if you want to have this tax exemption as a church, you ought to get a five zero one c three. That way, the people that donate can get a tax exemption for their donations. Yep. Well, before that happened, people who donated to a church already had a tax exemption for their donations. So it was a ruse. It's like saying, well, we're gonna put amendment in the constitution so women can vote.
That was stupid. It was silly. Women were already had the vote in a lot of states and we're and it was coming on fast and they were getting it in others. We didn't need a constitutional amendment to do that. But that increases federal power, you see. So that's what Johnson now they say to the churches, oh, do this. So what do the churches do? Well, back in the day when we were fighting the communist, we were the good guys, and they were the bad guys. And so when the our government said anything, we believed them and supported it. That's what happened in that case. Like, when they came out with the the firearms control act of '19 whatever, 1968, people jumped on board and said, yeah. You know, it sounded patriotic.
It was just the opposite, of course. Sure is. And they named it that, named legislation that sounds patriotic like the Patriot Act, which was just the opposite of patriotism. And the same thing happened with the the five zero one c three legislation. I, for one, I don't pay attention to it. I don't I I counsel churches, never do that because if you incorporate a church under five zero one c three, then the government has a brass ring and the preacher knows and everybody else in the church too. Yep. And they will control your speech, what you can and cannot say.
[01:36:15] Unknown:
What is it? Technically, they can't do speak about anything against public policy from the pulpit, including political stuff, abortion, guns,
[01:36:26] Unknown:
whatever. Right? And that's the problem. Sodomy, all that stuff. Yeah. I couldn't say and I know church that have been sued because they've been foolish enough to incorporate themselves thinking they were getting a tax exemption benefit for their parishioners when the truth is they already had one. It's always been that way in America. It's tax deductible to donate to a church. Then the question comes, what is a church? And the IRS has always had some badges of what a church is so that that can be evaluated. Well, this went on for a long time, and
[01:37:00] Unknown:
now people are getting fed up with it. Trump has said, we're doing a just add can I interrupt you and say Sure? That now under that little program that they before, they didn't know who all the Christians were, but through this, they get reported through the church to the IRS as Oh, yeah.
[01:37:19] Unknown:
Yeah. So the Mormon church, for example, I have Mormons telling me this. Mormons are required to be in good standing to give 10% of their income. Right. Well, all the IRS has to do is get the Mormon church to give them the list of of of who is tied and how much, multiply it by 10. You got the annual income, and you can check that against their their, IRS forms. Yep. And and I've had church, church Mormon church members tell me that that has happened to them. I just know what I've heard or what it's worth.
[01:37:52] Unknown:
Yeah. I know that the the old 10% church, and they they're so dedicated in their tithe that the IRS can just go in there and extrapolate it and see what they made.
[01:38:03] Unknown:
Yes. And I say I've had people tell me. I had clients tell me that. I'm trying to help them. Mhmm. And so, yeah, don't do that. Don't report to a to a 5013, especially. See, a 501 c, if you're at churches incorporated, the the incorporation the corporation has no fifth amendment right. It's a person only for per a corporation is a person only for purposes of taking legal title to property, holding legal title to property, which means owning property. But it is not a person, the courts will not give to it fifth member protection. In other words, when the IRS says to a corporation LLC, LLP, anything the government signs off on, a trust is not in that category.
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Shouldn't be, but they try to make it. That's true. Now can you compare that to the five zero eight? What are the differences? People find this other one maybe lacks some requirements or something.
[01:39:01] Unknown:
Five zero eight? Oh, yeah. The five zero eight, and I've never used one, but what I understand is that's, a corporation that's that is, wrapped around, if you want to, a charitable organization. Oh. To make a charitable corporation, doesn't have to be a church, you see. A charity, in America is or the IRS code defines it as something that, can help where government can't help. Oh. A charity is something that does something that government cannot do that needs to be done in our country. Okay. A church, for example. A church, for example,
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does that. The government cannot do what a church does. So that's kind of a a bubble wrap entity in in essence? Double wrap. Well, yeah, a church is. If you make a corporate these five o eights. You're wrapping it around something else.
[01:39:55] Unknown:
You're wrapping it around a what you want a charitable organization. Correct. Correct. Charity is defined as health, education, and welfare. Health, education, and welfare. Oh. Pretty broad. Wow. But we had a bicycle factory back in our neck of the woods. A family had been there a long time, made bicycles, and they established a charitable corporation, for to teach children bicycle safety, which, of course, enhanced what they were doing. But at the same time, it was for safety, you see. Now you could establish a a charity that promoted, health.
You could establish a charity that promoted education, an educational charity. Well, that's really what the bicycle factory were doing. They were educating people. But here's the thing, Roger. To do the to wrap a corporation around anything is to give the government control of it. Of course. Yeah. So how about this for you? How about if we took our educational
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forum here and went and applied for five zero one five zero eight to teach people how to get out of this out of the five zero eight? Well, you can do that.
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The smartest thing you do and have a
[01:41:09] Unknown:
Pardon? Go ahead. Alright. Hold on. Paul was first. Todd's there. Mer's still waiting, and Larry's still waiting. K. That's our pecking order. If I may Yeah. Yes, ma'am. You asked the original question.
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Yes. I am a five zero eight c one a church in Connecticut, and I am free from oversight in Connecticut. You can look it up if you doubt me. Freedom from state, local and federal regulatory oversight in matters of education and religious practice. Cool. The subsection five zero eight(one)a specifically applies to churches and certain other religious organizations. No application requirement. These organizations are generally not required to file a formal application. They are automatically exempt. So, I was just wondering, I know you have a church on Sundays, and I'm delighted to hear, Brent, that you're not a five zero one(three).
But, I just thought this land that my husband and I oversee is God's land. It's been God's land way before we got here, and we cannot take it with us. So we have, protected and set up this, concept to protect this land in perpetuity. It cannot be sold
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off and be made into condo dwellings or that kind of thing. And I know I'm glad I'm glad you brought that up because it gives me an opportunity and another example of how devious the government is. No. The government the government will call you a five zero eight or a five zero one, whatever they wanna do, and they will they'll relegate you to that status, but that's not what you are. That's them trying to take control. And then if you concede to that, then, yeah, you've lost your fifth amendment rights. Never concede. Never say, I'm a five zero one eight or section eight, five zero one c section eight, five zero one c three. Never say that. But that's like saying, I am a citizen of The United States. Once you concede, they're gonna grab a hold of that and use it against you. Yeah. Interesting. Why you should do that. I'm I would say people don't do that. No. No. The the government has even said, and I've heard IRS agents say this, well, look. You may not be a five zero one c three, but we're putting you in that category.
And I say, well, you can do anything you want, but I'm not complying to that, and I'm not conceding to it. That's not what this is. Alright. Yeah. Go ahead. Okay. Would that get you, Linda?
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Yes. Yes. I just wanted the listeners to realize there is a significant difference. And if the inside of you is not recognizing that the king of this earth is our heavenly father and that we are the queen. We're we're taking care of it for him and for future generations. And so you're not registered with the IRS. It's not, they don't know about you unless, you know, you made a grand announcement. This is true. But there are still it's like you could be a national, but if you don't have the polite wherewithal to notify the Secretary of the State your change of status.
There's no clue. There's no evidence that you're a national. Yeah. You say, oh, yeah. I'm a national, but that was it an affidavit. So with our declaration, it's on paper who we are, just like the Bible is our evidence of who we are, and it's the word. So if you cannot stand on who you are, then you're absolutely correct, Brent. It's, chase in the wind. You you can't even stand for what you are as an ambassador to the big kingdom of the heavenly father, and I yield. Thank you. Thank you, Linda. Yeah. Let me make another point, Roger. It just gives me an opportunity
[01:45:02] Unknown:
to say things that I think are worthwhile to Christian folk. Jesus Christ, through his word, go to the book of Ephesians. We are his people, his subpoenaed witness group are his body. What is a body? Latin, that's corpus, corporation. Right. It would be utterly blasphemous and silly, not to mention silly, to to ask the state to incorporate a church or to concede to such a thing. Because what you're saying is we're gonna Jesus Christ has already incorporated his subpoenaed witness group into a body. That's the theme of the book of Ephesians, not to mention other places in the Bible. It'd be analogous to this. We have, for example, what we call, concealed carry states, and then we have states like Missouri that say we're, constitutional carry states.
In other words, we don't need the government to tell us we can carry a side on it. Right. Right. That's stupid to even talk about a license to care. So you just say we're doing away with that. Well, the same thing, the same principle applies to a church. You You got a second amendment constitutional carry state. You got first amendment churches. That means they don't rely on anything. No idea of a corporation from the state. No conceding to a corporation. No. We just rely on the first amendment. The government shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or impeding the exercise thereof, hindering the exercise thereof.
That's it. We don't depend on anything else. We don't want the state's incorporation. And if you get it or concede to it, they'll put a a brass ring in your nose, and you won't be able to do anything beyond what they allow you to do and say anything beyond what beyond what they allow you to say. And, it could cost you a lot of money. Yeah. That's why you don't wanna do it. Give you a lot of aggravation and sleepless nights.
[01:46:57] Unknown:
Murr, you're next, babe.
[01:47:00] Unknown:
Oh, thank you. Yeah. I I have to say now after hearing this, this 508C1A, I remember Gary in Montana bringing up that Chuck Baldwin has that. He's and I just remember Gary saying, look that up. See what that is. And and they were treated kind of, roughly there at his church, you know, scolding them to not put their coat on the back of the chair and and all this stuff. And, also, there's reports from 2005 at the border. There was money to be had, and Chuck Baldwin was in on it. He made sure he was in on it. So I'm just saying these are people. But when I went to come in, I would have been here sooner. But, you know, it's like, on my computer, it's like the second screen, and I get the web version. I didn't think I was able to use the app. So I accidentally got the app and couldn't get out of it. And so this is like a new toy to me. This is fun.
I can see so many more things that I could You sound better. You sound closer and stronger. Oh, excellent. Excellent. So, anyway, what I was calling about was the man's name in the interview with Cucker is Jeremiah doctor. Jeremiah j Johnston. There's a t in there. It's not Johnston. It's Johnston. And, be sure I noticed the crown of Florence. It's no crown. It's a helmet. The Romans had this crucifixion. Yeah. This the Romans had this crucifixion torment down to a science. And, apparently, Christ, he may have been blinded in his right eye. You can see that shows up on the shroud too that that was fractured. His eye was fractured. Apparently, you know, when they're swinging the the, you know, scourge from behind him and it come around and hit him in the eye, it looks like. So but he was just so tortured and mutilated, and that all shows up. And, apparently, that surface, I heard someone trying to discount it, you know, in their materialistic way because they're a nonbeliever.
That, oh, it's like a photograph. It's like silver, and it was in the mid, you know, medieval, and that's really da Vinci. It's not Christ. And but this process, they can't duplicate. It's apparently him actually rising through the cloth.
[01:49:16] Unknown:
They don't know what the process is. They don't know how the image was created, and it cannot be replicated today with all of our modern technology.
[01:49:26] Unknown:
This is God. Right. And there's some other things that are interesting that Yep. Like like in the Bible, in the King James version, and I'm sure all these, diluted versions that come after. But, there were six times when Sabbath was changed arbitrarily to first day of the week, and this came in slowly so that people worship the sun on Sunday instead of Sabbath. And if you go through the mathematical references, you can see seven, the seventh day, and Christ and God and Jesus, or the Holy Spirit, you know, all work out to be sevens. And also, one more thing, we know we have the circadian rhythm day and night. We also have a circa septon rhythm, which is not just any seven days, but since creation, the Sabbath, the seventh day. And many animals observe this, including the busy beaver.
They go up in their lodge at sunset Friday and don't come out till Sabbath. So I yield. Really? Okay. Well,
[01:50:29] Unknown:
make makes you wanna go make a dam. Larry, you are next.
[01:50:35] Unknown:
Yeah. Can you hear me? Yes, sir. Yeah. So this this article is from NPR, and it's from July 8. It says in a break with decades of tradition, the Internal Revenue Service says it will it will allow houses of worship to endorse candidates for political office without losing their tax exempt status. The surprise announcement came in a court document filed on Monday. Since 1954, a provision in the tax code called the Johnson Amendment says that churches and other nonprofit organizations lose their tax exempt status if they participate in or intervene in any political campaign on behalf of for the opposition to, any candidate for political harmonies. So that's all been lifted.
[01:51:28] Unknown:
Cool. Yeah. I well, I bet you know, remember Obama when he was running, he was at that church. I don't remember if the pastor was of a different, variety, but or not, but they let him talk all kind of politics with never any repercussions. Another reason they like the IRS is because they can selectively apply it to whoever they want.
[01:51:54] Unknown:
Yeah. Jeremiah Wright.
[01:51:56] Unknown:
Yeah. There you go. Thank you.
[01:51:58] Unknown:
They're like some good faggots in the church now.
[01:52:02] Unknown:
So what you Brent, you think there's any chance all these people are gonna get indicted? The Obama on down that they're holding grand juries for me right now?
[01:52:12] Unknown:
I'll be, pleasantly surprised, but I'll be surprised.
[01:52:16] Unknown:
Okay. Good deal. A lot of other peoples feel the same way from the way. Kyle Sarafin, are you have you crossed paths with him yet? No. Kyle Sarafin, he's a real high profile whistleblower from the FBI that stepped out and has his own podcast and everything. Very straight up guy. He's been actually exposing some of the bad guys inside that's given Bongino and and and, the other guy so much problems. He's been kinda in enforcing FBI policy from the outside through his social media. Kinda interesting. But, anyway, that's another whole nest of problem. Yes. Smurm.
[01:52:59] Unknown:
Someone has their hand up been up, for quite some time. I don't know if it's Who is that? Paul Paul or Ceske, it says. Paul or Paul. Area code 815.
[01:53:11] Unknown:
Okay. Paul, can you, who's this guy?
[01:53:16] Unknown:
Paul Ceske. It says it hands up. I don't know if he means to have it up, but I just thought I'd say. Alright. Well, that's an
[01:53:23] Unknown:
we'll find out. Paul's off doing something. He,
[01:53:29] Unknown:
anyway, we'll No. I'm here. It's Mary.
[01:53:32] Unknown:
It's Mary. Okay. Hi, Mary. Yeah. How are you? This is one of our new males. My husband's name is Paul. Okay. Well, you're one of our new guys from the odds family there. Yep. So, you got something for Brent or myself, Mary?
[01:53:46] Unknown:
Yeah. I have a question for Brent, because I've been studying the trust law. And my question is, I don't own a Bible. I don't know the significance of the Bible. First question is, which one should I get? Should I get an older one? Go to the, you know, to I don't know. To an antique bookstore and try to find an older one just to make sure the text to look up the words and everything to correlate it together to learn trust because that's what I'm learning. I have been. And and the significance of it because I'm extremely confused because I know absolutely nothing about the Bible at all.
[01:54:22] Unknown:
I'm Get a King James version and pray about it.
[01:54:27] Unknown:
Are you I don't pray. No. No. No. Are you a her. Are you a King Jammer?
[01:54:34] Unknown:
I love that Bible. Myrrh. I love that Bible.
[01:54:38] Unknown:
Myrrh, are you king Jammer?
[01:54:40] Unknown:
Yeah. Yes. Have you seen the map?
[01:54:43] Unknown:
Can you hear me? You're in myrrh. I'm Yes. I can hear you. Right. I can't hear you.
[01:54:47] Unknown:
Okay. Go ahead, myrrh. Let me ask you a bit. You're clipping a bit. Go ahead. Myrrh. Are you King James?
[01:54:56] Unknown:
Myr? Pretty much. Because all the others have been diluted. Well, now I'm gonna say even you weren't. Wait. Wait. I just wanna know if you're King James only. That's all. Now I'm gonna respond. Thank you, Myr. I'm gonna respond to the to the question. If you're gonna read the Bible, the important thing is don't worry about studying words right now unless you just want every once in a while to look one up. The the person that gets the flow of the text knows more about the Bible than 99% of the preachers that that study it. They they get so deep into it, they can they may miss the forest for the trees. That's a fact.
And if you're approaching the English Bible, the only way to learn it and learn what's in it is just to read it. Don't look for any special study method. Don't look for any words. Here's what I suggest. I've done this before here and I suggest you do it too. I'll give you two options, two options or a couple options that are easy to find. Don't worry about going buy an old Bible. Get either get a copy of the King James Bible or a copy of the New American Standard Bible and read the book of first John in one setting every morning for thirty days.
Do that for thirty days. It's important you read first John first. Why? Because John, like Peter, but John is clear, clearer than anybody in the Bible. There is there are no gray areas with John. When he speaks, it's black or white, up or down, in or out. He does not speculate. He doesn't go to subjects that are speculative. He speaks only of those things which he knows black and white to which he has been a personal witness. And he says that at the beginning of first John. What I've what we have seen, what we have heard, what are the our hands have handled concerning the word of life. And then he it's an affidavit, and he shoots straight.
You read that thirty days. It's five chapters, not all that long. You can read it pretty quickly. If you do it in the morning, you'll get more out of it. Just get all set, get you a cup of coffee if you drink coffee or whatever you do to relax. You're awake. Your mind is fresh, and read it. And be disciplined. Do it every day for thirty days, and you'll find then thereafter no matter what you read in the Bible, you'll measure it according to those black and white statements in in the gospel of John or the first John. And after you get done with the first epistle of John, go to the gospel of John. He wrote that book too. It's 21 chapters divided into seven parts and read seven chapters in one setting for thirty days, the next seven chapters for thirty days, and the next chap seven chapters for thirty days. But do that first. If you don't do that first, you won't have a road map. You won't have the big principles in your head whereby to judge and put in whereby to hang what you learn, a structure to hang what you learn when you go to the rest of the Bible. That's the way God intended it. That's why John and John is, the foreman of that 12 man jury that Jesus Christ impaneled to witness the evidence of his identity.
He's the foreman and that's why it's important to read that book first. Again, get a copy of the King James Bible. Cambridge University Press is, known for printing pretty good copies. You can buy used one. You can buy whatever you do, don't be afraid to write all over it. You can always get another one in America. Use your pen. Use your highlighter. Whatever you wanna do, interact with it. The more you interact with what you're doing, making notes, the more you'll remember it, the more you'll know it. That the Bible don't think that those pages are some kind of holy thing that you can't write on and use and spill coffee on. No. Don't be afraid of that. Use it. That's what that Bible is for. When you're done with it and you get it all piled up, if you think you've you've, written so much on it, you can't see what you're writing in it or what you're reading anymore, get you another one. That's what I do. King James or New American Standard. And the difference between those two, the King James is without question the most beautiful and memorable translation you can find, but the most accurate translation you can find is the new American standard, new. Not the American standard in nineteen o one, new American standard Bible, 1995 edition.
Don't get the 02/20. It's gender neutral. They went woke on us there, but back in '95, they had not. That's my suggestion for what it's worth. I am not a King James only. I I realize the value of the King James, but I keep in mind that the King James Bible is purely a government project, purely a government project. It was there to promote the power of government, to promote the promote King James the first, the divine right of kings. But it is beautiful and memorable, and that was his order. When it comes to accuracy versus eloquence, he told his 54 translators, choose eloquence.
So knowing those limitations, and there's always limitations, that's what I would advise. Thank you for the question.
[02:00:06] Unknown:
Okay, Mary. That thank you. And For the answer. I hope this information much for the answer. Have a comment. Yes. Go well. Okay. Go go ahead. We'll just clip out when we when Paul hits the button. Go ahead.
[02:00:21] Unknown:
Yeah. Brent, I just wanted to to state that the bucket of blood isn't the oldest, continuous saloon or bar in Nevada. It's actually in Genoa. It was 1853. The bucket of blood was built after the fire.
[02:00:37] Unknown:
After which fire?
[02:00:41] Unknown:
The big one that burned down Virginia City, 1874.
[02:00:46] Unknown:
Well, I'm I only know what I read, and if you're right, I'll concede. But, I'm It was a
[02:00:52] Unknown:
it was a way station originally for people to get, you know, into California. Uh-huh. Well, thank you, Brian. It's almost done. It's almost done. Yeah. Genoa. So I've been there. It's a cute little place.
[02:01:07] Unknown:
Yeah. I've been there too. I've never noticed that, but thank you.
[02:01:12] Unknown:
Alright. Well, for the listeners, we'll see you later. If Paul hadn't cut us off, we'll be back tomorrow. Brent will be over at his place. See you soon, one place or the other. Well, real quick before you hang up, Roger. No. No. No. No. I'm not I'm not hanging up. I'm not hanging up. Oh, okay. Ending the broadcast.
[02:01:28] Unknown:
Let me let me just share something Oh. Before we go. Let let me share something. We have to do this periodically because of new people. When the music starts, when the whistler stops or starts, that's, that's time for questions and comments to end so we can get out of the show, because Eurofolk radio drops off at a precise time. And I don't want people to be in the middle of a sentence when that happens. It's clumsy, and it just drops people and leaves them in the lurch. Also, if you are dialed in on on a telephone, even if you're muted, when you get a text message or you get another call and put the conference on hold and then come back to it, for one reason or another, the conference unmutes you.
So if you get a text message or if you get another call and you put the conference on hold and come back to it, press 6 and just make sure you're muted because we've had a lot of interruptions and a lot of interference from noise, ambient noise, and and people's lines that were unmuted that never needed to be. So Yeah. Those microphones are so sensitive these days. Yeah. Well and and there is also added processing that boosts your ambient noise 12 dB just so we can pull up the quiet ones and bring down the loud ones. So Let's not have that. It's even worse than micro So,
[02:02:59] Unknown:
if that's Robbie, do you have Yep. Please do. It just, takes away from the program when it happens. Not fussing at you. I know it's like Paul said, when those events happened, you don't know it and boom. Was that Robbie who was trying to say something?
[02:03:18] Unknown:
Who's our female? That was one of the new ones.
[02:03:21] Unknown:
Okay. Who what? Who would who was the female that was talking right there that we kinda interrupted?
[02:03:27] Unknown:
That wanted to get in there before we hung up. Be Mary. There you go. Okay, Mary. But go ahead. There we go. The other person can go first.
[02:03:33] Unknown:
All I found well, it's first if he wants to.
[02:03:38] Unknown:
Let's go with you. We go with ladies first around here. Let's finish up with what we're going on. Okay.
[02:03:45] Unknown:
Is it what is the correlation between natural law and common law? Because they seem similar
[02:03:51] Unknown:
when you study both. Good question. That's a good question, Brent.
[02:03:55] Unknown:
Well, well, natural law, there are two definitions, the Roman church definition, which means the Roman definition, which is the Babylonian definition, and then the biblical definition. The Babylonian Roman definition is that natural law or the laws of logic. Now that's making it simple. I mean, there may be other things to it and are, but fundamentally, logic is king. Logic. The natural law in the biblical tradition is that fact is king. Fact. In the Roman tradition, which is the Babylonian tradition, logic goes before fact. In the Bible, fact goes before logic.
There are a lot of things that are factual that we the nature in nature, we know the fact of the matter. We know the fact of gravity. But there isn't anybody ever that has ever explained what makes gravity works. A lot of theories, but but nobody knows for sure. But we don't have to be able to explain it using logic. We know it's real. Yeah. That's the fact of the matter. Yeah. That's why it's important that fact come first. Logic is a tool that comes second. If logic comes, first, then there is no foundation for logic and logic becomes a whore a whore. You can make it do anything.
That's why you where logic is stressed, fact has a way of receding from consideration. I'm quoting professor Merriman from Bolt Hall, the law school years ago, a comparative lawyer from Berkeley, the law school at Berkeley at Bolt Hall. Oh, by the way, Bolt Hall is no longer called Bolt Hall. That used to be the law school. Bolt was a wealthy man that had donated money for for the university and and the law school and even in the mining business. And, recently, they the woke people said within the last couple of years, we're not gonna we're not gonna put up with that. He was a conservative. We gotta get rid of the name Bolt, and they did. That's the kind of stupidity that's that's going on. But Yep. A a miner, a a mining engineer, a miner like him, he didn't care where gold comes from. He didn't care where oil comes from. He didn't care where silver come from. And by the way, nobody really knows for sure anyway, and nobody's ever proven, where it comes from. But what he wants to know is the fact of the matter and how do I make it useful and get money out of it.
That's the fact of the matter. That's the mindset that God wants us to have. And Merriman made this point, I'll say it again, where logic is stressed, fact has a way of receding from consideration. Why did he say that? Because our common law tradition is not built on logic, it's built on fact. When we go to a jury trial, we don't ask the jury to think it through for us and tell us what their logic are. As a matter of fact, they owe us no explanation at all. They are in this realm down here on earth in our country. They are lawgiver in individual instances, see, And they owe us no explanation. Logic isn't what it's about. We're not interested in you being a lawyer when you're on the jury. We're interested in you being a man or a woman, a man, supposed to be on the jury, but we're interested in you at adding your guts and your instinct to what your decision is, not logic.
If we wanted logic, we'd ask the experts to tell us what the verdict is. We don't do that in America. We just grab 12 men standing around. We don't ask their backgrounds, and we try to get if you're any brains at all in a trial in a trial of a fact, you try to get all the experts off the jury, the school teachers, the bankers, the engineers, because they'll try to logically figure it out, and we don't want that. We want you to tell us what the fact are first. Tell us the facts first. That's what we want, and we're gonna present evidence of the facts, and you tell us what the facts are. It's not a lawsuit. It's a fact suit. Facts govern everything in our common law tradition. In the law of the city tradition, the Roman tradition, they call it natural law. Logic, they say governs everything.
That's not only stupid, it's silly. It doesn't work. It's impossible. As Blackstone said in the first volume of his commentaries that the Roman system, speaking of the canon civil laws of the church of Rome and the Roman Empire and all the countries of Europe and all the countries of South America and later on all the communist countries, they put logic first. They've got it upside down. That's why it doesn't work. That's why there is no freedom ultimately in those places. That's why they have what they call torture and their inquisitions.
They don't have trials. They're not seeking fact. You just gotta agree with the government and that's it. No freedom of speech. No no, fundamental duty to keep and carry a firearm. No, freedom to right to trial by jury, freedom of association, all those things. No. None of that. Because logic, natural law to them is logic. Now I know that that's oversimplified, but if you don't if you don't oversimplify the statement of it like that, people miss it. That's why Thomas Aquinas' writings are the official doctrine of the Roman church. Why? He was the master logician. Quite a guy. Said a lot of true things, said a lot of false things because logic cannot be depended upon to get you to the truth. That's not natural law. I I was walking on a major Midwest University campus of an old land grant agricultural school and, by myself, and I caught up to an oriental fellow, looked older than me.
And I, of course, engaged him in conversation, found out he was a philosophy professor there at the school. Oh, I don't remember everything was said, but I remember his conclusions. Well, he he was kind enough to talk to me. He said, you know, a lot of people I said, why did you study philosophy? Why do you have a PhD? It's all about logic. See? Philosophy is all about logic, not fact. I said, why did you do that? He said, well, I thought I would find the answers. I thought that philosophy would give me the answers to life. He said, and most of my colleagues, I've discovered when we were young, we went and studied philosophy because we believe things needed to be logical and we believe we can find the answers. I said, well, how'd it work out for you? He was friendly and accepting of me, so I felt comfortable. I said, that'll work out for you. He said, it's not true.
Logic will not get you to the truth by itself. You can't do it. You gotta have fact. He said, I had colleagues that I went through my PhD pH two colleagues colleagues who went through his PhD program with that both blew their brains out after they got through the PhD program because they discovered the logic would not get them to the truth, and they didn't think that any other option was available. And by the way, that's the logical thing to do. Blow your brains out. If you really believe there's no other option available there, that's that's being consistent with what you believe.
But there is something available beyond that. What is it? Fact. You read the gospel records, we'll find you'll find as one Quaker who was a professor at the Harvard Seminary said, I can remember his name except when I tell this story. I don't remember now, but he didn't believe the Bible. And he said, but he did admit, he said the gospel records are ablaze ablaze of miracles. What's a miracle? That's the law giver, God himself, the creator temporarily suspending the laws of nature, the fact of the matter for his purposes.
And he said, the gospel records are filled with miracles. Who can explain them logically? Nobody. It's just a fact. We have the evidence. The evidence is there. We see it. It has all the badges of reliability and more overwhelming overwhelming embarrassment of reliability. There it is. I've heard people say stuff on the witness stand I didn't believe. I said that can't be true, and I found out it was. Yeah. Fact and evidence is what proves fact is not some things, it's everything. So natural law in the pagan worldly law of the city, religion, law and government is fundamentally logic.
In the law of the land, natural law is the way things are in God's creation and they ain't gonna change. Fact is the way things are in God's creation and they ain't gonna change and you can observe the sun goes up ever it comes up every morning. Well, from our perspective it comes up. Does it come up? Is this are we going around the sun? Some people, some scientists say no. Say, well, the sun's going around us. All we know is from our perspective, the sun comes up. That's a fact. It looks like it comes up when we see it, so we say whatever's going on there, it happens that way, and darkness turns to light. We know that. Can we really explain it much more than that? No. Because we can't explain gravity, which would be the explanation of orbits if that's what's going on, but we can't do that.
So to recap and summarize, natural law and the evil empires of this world is logic. Natural law in the Bible and God God from God's perspective is fact. And evidence is the foundation of knowing fact, proven fact. And when you go through the Bible, it is amazing. And I just give you my testimony, what I see, what I hear, what I know from my experiences. Personally, I've been translating the Bible from the original tongues for over four decades, working pretty hard at it. If there's anything that shouts from every page, every angle, every word, every phrase, it is evidence, evidence, evidence. That's what the Bible is all about, and that's what the Bible is.
And all other evidences in the world of truth, if they don't conform to that book, they're a lie. Period. The laws of nature are what we observe and the way in God's creation, the way things are, and they aren't gonna change. And the laws of nature is God. That's the Bible. Those two phrases we find in our declaration of '76. They're copied from John Locke. John Locke was the greatest fan in the world of the Scottish enlightenment. The Scottish enlightenment said or grew out of the Scottish reformation. Scottish reformation established the Bible as absolute ultimate court of last resort for all factual matters.
No errors of fact in the testimony of the Bible. Even the manuscripts where they vary. We're talking about the new American standard versus the King James, the majority text versus the minor minor. There there's there's nothing there that changes any doctrine in any of those. None of them changes any fundamental doctrine, foundational doctrine of Christianity. So we have inerrancy of the Bible according to the Scottish Reformation. And then later on the Scottish Enlightenment said yes, but the Bible speaks also of God revealing himself in his creation. We know of his wisdom, his power, his glory. That's revelation from God too.
And so the Scottish enlightenment spawned in America The great mechanical and electronic inventions we have done here, that was through our religious affections. Understanding that God made the world. The laws are consistent. They're factual. We don't have to explain them. Sometimes we can explain some of them. Sometimes we can't. Sometimes that helps us invent things. I like to say the steam engine was the beginning was what some of the beginning the the laws of electricity, bo Faraday, a Scotsman, Boyle, the hydrology laws, beginning of that movement of the Scottish enlightenment, recognizing that God had created all things and according to specific laws that we observe with our eyes, it's not in writing.
And the end of that was the invention of the television in Scotland in '19 in the nineteen twenties. But all of that culture came to America because the Scottish enlightenment recognizing the laws of nature unwritten and the nature of of creation, lex non scripta, as Blackstone says, and the laws of nature's God written in the Bible, lex scripta, as Blackstone says. Those two phrases on our declaration of '76 tell us, reveal to us, and the Bible says this too. Psalm 19 references both of those in a very clever way and unpacks them what they mean. The laws of nature and the laws of nature is God. Romans one repeats it from Psalm 19. All men know of them glory and wisdom and power of the creator and his laws through creation.
That's a revelation of condemnation that only condemns men to hell though, because it tells you that there is this creator. He is all power for all wise, all knowing, and it condemns you to hell because it doesn't reveal to you until you accept the written revelation. The specific as as Blackstone calls it in his commentaries on the common law revealed religion. You accept that and then you begin to see the evidence of the written revelation. The laws of nature is God and you begin to learn about the Messiah of God in a way particular enough that you understand who he is through his law written. Old Testament and new. Well, it's all there. Old Testament and new, the Messiah of God. He happens in the old testament is Jesus Christ.
YeHoah. Jehovah means he happens. That's Jesus Christ of the old testament. The one of the members, the second member we say in the West and rightly say the second member of the triune God. The laws of nature and the laws of nature is God. So logic, again, logic is natural law in the Babylonian false religion law and government system, and fact is natural law in creation. The fact of creation and the laws of it is natural law. And our common law, by the way, is a significant slice of the laws of nature the the laws of nature. Our common law, the laws of nature's God, the Bible.
Those two volumes and no others, those two volumes and no more is what God wants us to give attention to and to know. It will make our lives tolerable, enjoyable. But to give our attention to anything else, anything else is a waste of a very short life, and our lives are very short. I appreciate the question. I hope I hit the nail with my head.
[02:18:39] Unknown:
Mary, with your preference, you'd never hold on if you would, please, that, you had not been into the Bible or ever even opened a cover on one. Well, the what I was gonna say is we've had people like that who come around here with your same background, and it's amazing this political and legal stuff will as you've heard so far, it always leads back to the bible. And any any one of the vectors I've ever really researched down. But I had a a I told this story. I had a friend here. He lived down on the coast of Ecuador. He's a retired pilot, and he was doing a building a subdivision or something down there. We crossed paths. His name was Dan Swain. He recently passed away of a heart attack, unfortunately.
But what Dan told me, and we had spent some he'd come up here with his wife quite often, and we'd spend time together. Just a wonderful guy from Tulsa. And, Dan said, Roger, I never opened the cover of a Bible my entire adult life until I hit your information. And then I've not only been reading the Bible and studying it, but I went back and taught and I'm teaching these lessons to my adult children who I never properly exposed this information to when they were young. So if that is going to be your future here, you won't be the first. And it's just a wonderful thing for me to be able to, from a totally different angle and approach, take these people and basically make this a ministry. I don't promote it as such, but that's really what it is.
So thank you, Mary.
[02:20:23] Unknown:
Now who was that Murr? Who was the gal trying to say something? That was me. I I just want to add a couple things here. Hutterites is just like it sounds, h u t t e r I t s. And, I met some of them in Montana some years ago, and I thought, what is this? Because they were like a dark plaid, dresses and, a dark background, but with white polka dot furchief on their heads headscarf. And this is their kinda uniform, but they're like kind of the Amish of the North, but they do use some some machinery. They, were kind of instrumental. You never hear about it up there in the truck the trucker thing. They're in Canada too. So they were up there and using their tractors to, you know, mess with the system that was trying to block the truckers.
So and I'm putting these things in both chat rooms, numeral2radioranch.chitinato.com. But, also, Malcolm Bowden, m a l c o l m b o w d e n. There's still a YouTube channel, and he's probably passed now, but the Earth has never been proven to be moving. So it's very fascinating, just like it says in the Bible. You know, the universe goes around us. There are these concentric spherical shells that contain the galaxies and the stars, and that's moving around us east to west. I mean, just think about it. If if the Earth was moving at this phenomenal rate of speed, why couldn't you just go up in a helicopter and hover until your destination arrives? You know? And and, of course, we get the flat earth stuff, which they mixed up so much stuff and dropped that off in 2014. But they are correct about it, the Earth being stationary. You know, of course, the Flat Earth thing, it doesn't work. You can't fly to Australia across a Flat Earth. David Weiss, who admitted to being paid says, oh, well, they have special paint on the planes, and they just doubled the speed. Yeah. Right. Yeah. There was one other thing. Okay. The logos.
Logic comes from logos, Brent, or I just love that term because the logos, the word. Right?
[02:22:28] Unknown:
Logos? Yeah. Like, he Michael Jones uses all the time. Oh, logos. It's an important word. Yeah. We talk about that. And, and and, of course, the things you're saying, you're just making the point that we can use all the logic we want. The fact of the fact is the we had from our perspective, the sun comes up, we know it, and we can try to explain it. We don't have to explain it. We can live by it and live very well knowing the time, the seasons, and the movements of the heavenly bodies. We can farm, we can plant in the spring, we can harvest in the fall, and God wants us to pay attention to that much. And those are farmers that have paid attention to that in great detail have been very productive men and and have lived, have been a benefit to all of us just as one example.
[02:23:15] Unknown:
Yep. Right. And the sun was stopped for Joshua. Right?
[02:23:18] Unknown:
It said that. Requested it? That's what the evidence said. And so
[02:23:23] Unknown:
now some of these Catholics, Robert Sondenas, who is very big on this, geocentricity, and it it and it's accurate. The more I study this, like, wow. No wonder they don't want anybody to know about this. You know, they made Einstein into a god in the thirties. He couldn't even work his own equations, which are gobbledygook according to Balvin. And, so they dismissed the ether. The ether is here, and it's very dense. And that's what causes the bulbs around the equator.
[02:23:50] Unknown:
Oh, by the way, just some
[02:23:53] Unknown:
things to find out. Myr?
[02:23:55] Unknown:
Where where have you been, Myr? But, Myr, you've been absent for a long time. Where have you been?
[02:24:01] Unknown:
Well, I I lurk. I lurk on the pod home and then try to stay out of trouble, but then I usually jump in and get in trouble anyway. When I when I mispronounce a word, she appears.
[02:24:13] Unknown:
Oh, I see.
[02:24:14] Unknown:
I get it. I didn't know that. Becoming all Johnston. Right? I wanted to get that name right. Johnston.
[02:24:20] Unknown:
Jeremiah Johnston, not Johnston. She's So, Murr, are you are you That's what we're speaking here. Are you at Liberty to tell us what state you live in?
[02:24:28] Unknown:
Sure. Wisconsin, the Driftless area where no no ice came through. Ice didn't pack down the earth here. Very, very nice. It's, you know, on the on the East Side Of The Mississippi. There's some hills on the, on the West Side too. And there's all these mounds and things and, that they pick things, and I'm sure they know what's under there with radar, whatever. But they've commercialized it on the West Side of the River Of The Mississippi, and they haven't here. And there's been many many things that they've tried to do in the seventies under Carter. They tried to have the Army Corps of Engineers come through and flood everything. There's this ancient river, Kickapoo Kickapoo River, which means goes this way and that way. Right?
Uh-huh. And, it's a great canoe ride. And but, yeah. So the the latest thing they had tried to do were these ugly stanchions for power lines, which loses power. And these things look satanic. You ever notice? You know? And, so that was their latest thing everyone had. Yeah. Well, stanchion, the big metal things that hold up the high tension lines. Okay. Gotcha. You've seen them. Yeah. And and it's bad on the cattle and and everything else that from the electricity. But, anyway, so all the yard sides were declined the line, and and that went through. So people stick together about a lot of these things. Also, back in the seventies, which repeated here recently under Jade Helm, helmet, whatever, they had, they were running, you know, fighter planes close to the ground and everything and scaring all the cattle and stuff again with the you know? It's so it's so nice and peaceful here. So in 2015 and in 2016, they they were they had empty c one thirties, and I had read an article.
They were supposed to be training to catch drones on their wings, and they were dipping down. I could see a rooster tail come over, and they barnstorm me here. I guess they saw the orange Volkswagen, which is, getting a new life over at a friend's place now. He he fell in love with it when he came through to his field. So and, yeah. He he re rebuild his father's 51. I think it's Ford truck. His father worked with the cemeteries and, you know, you have these great salt of the earth people around here that have been around for generations, and they all work together in the Amish. And, anyway, I like it here. How are you? Thank you. Thank you, Bert. Roger?
[02:26:59] Unknown:
Larry.
[02:27:02] Unknown:
Yeah. A couple of, questions for Brent. Oh. We have, we have, like, almost well, over 70 students signed up for the trust class, and I'd like to get just a few preliminaries out of the way. Can you just briefly emphasis on briefly, just go over that I think you mentioned in the past that all trusts are common law trust. There's no such thing as a statutory trust. If you could confirm that once again. The second thing is, can you briefly explain the difference between a revocable and irrevocable trust? And then lastly, there's gonna be a lot of students that, that take this class. And I think the reason being is they're trying to protect their assets from IRS confiscation.
So I was I remember you talking about there's this court case where the IRS was able to take someone's property out of a trust. And if you could just go over that briefly. Thank you.
[02:28:03] Unknown:
Well, I'm thinking back to restart. Oh, all trust trust or that's a common law doctrine. So if a legislature says, well, we're gonna pass legislation that says you can do this with a trust. Well, is that a statutory trust? Yes. There's still a common law trust because, only the courts in a common law country will recognize it. And its fundamentals are always the same. And if the legislature changes the fundamentals of a trust, it's not a trust anymore. The fundamentals are that it has to have three certainties of words. A trust requires three certainties of words.
Number one, either in writing or audibly. And if it's not in writing, it's not enforceable amount to anything. But, anyway, three certainties of words, certainty of the entrusted property, certainty enough that it'd be reasonably ascertainable by a court know what piece of property you're talking about, certainty of beneficiaries by name, so we know who your beneficiaries are specifically, and certainty of intent to settle a trust. Those three things. If you don't have those three things, it's not trust. And a trust by definition is a common law arrangement to persons and property. It's not a corporation. If it's revocable
[02:29:36] Unknown:
I think that's what you asked. What? It was one of them. Three questions. One of them was revocable, irrevocable.
[02:29:43] Unknown:
Revocable means the settler, the one that settles the trust and and declares the intent and names the beneficiaries and identifies the entrusted property. If it's revocable, then the settler can take it back anytime he wants, undo it, and do away with it. If it's irrevocable, the settler doesn't have that option. And the beneficiaries can take him to court and say, no. You can't do that if you have to. I mean, or they could just tell him, and maybe he would concede. It all comes down to what the court will enforce, but the courts have made it clear over the centuries that they will enforce it. But it says it's irrevocable, then the settler can't undo it. It's done till it, till it fulfills its purpose.
That's the difference. Now if a trust is if a trust is revocable, it won't protect your assets at all because the fellow who settled it and and trusted the property hasn't really changed his relationship to the property. He can take it back anytime he wants. It's as good as his anyway. But if it's irrevocable, now he's changed his relationship to the property quite a bit. In other words, he may he may he may have given it over to a trustee, and he no longer holds legal title to the property. But the trustee is under a duty to carry out the terms that the settler has put in the trust indenture.
That's the way it works. If it's irrevocable, then that's it's a done deal. That that gives some protection to your trust property. It all depends. You know, nothing you can do and without saying more, no trust you can settle, no corporation you can put up, nothing you can do will protect your property from somebody who has more power than you that wants to take it. Period. Nothing you can do will protect your property from somebody who has more power than you who wants to take it from you. What we depend upon in our common law country is that we are a nation of laws and not of men. Our courts, therefore, being separate and coequal branch of government, we we want them to to enforce the the law of trusts.
And if they do, that will protect our property. That's the way it works, and that's why it works fundamentally.
[02:32:05] Unknown:
And you can learn the whole ball of wax by signing up and attending
[02:32:09] Unknown:
these upcoming trust classes. Yeah. Here's the here's what we ought to say if if if if Paul is still here. Paul ought to say how people can sign up because he's the one that's in this deal together so it's more affordable. Well, he kinda did that earlier when spelling out his email address. Okay. Here's what we can I'm sorry, Roger. I had an idea. I wanna get a here's what we can do. Go to the if you wanna join up with Paul's, group to make it more doable for you, you can, go to commonlawyer.com, www.commonlawyer.com. Go to the contact page and email email and say, how do I get in touch with Paul? And The the lady is there that take care of that and try to get your message over to him or tell you how to get in touch with him. Yeah. Get you straightened out and on the straight and narrow.
[02:33:07] Unknown:
Okay, Brent. Well, listen. I know you're a busy guy. We appreciate you hanging around and answering questions, and we you you know, we love you and, just, can't wait for these times we get to spend together here on Fridays. Yeah, Roger. Same way with you. Go ahead. Yeah. Yes, Larry.
[02:33:26] Unknown:
Yeah. Thank you, Brent, for that explanation. So, Paul does have a way to get people, signed up for the trust class. He said to just send him an email and put on the subject line trust class, and then he'll and your name in the body, and then he'll put you in there. And then he's gonna send out another email for payment, and, that'll take care of all that. But, I was just wondering, you said, only a someone that has greater power can can, you know, seize the property of another. What's what was that IRS court case that you remember telling us about where they actually did that with a trust?
[02:34:09] Unknown:
Oh, they've done that with a lot of trust, but I've seen seen it where trust, where it depends upon and it depends upon legal counsel you have too. I've seen it where banks are trustees, and they'll go to the mat with the IRS, and their lawyers will go to the mat and say, no. We're the trustee here, and we we can't do that. That's not what the law says, and they get results that way more so than if a if a man who doesn't have a lawyer or he just, the, bureaucracies come blow in and steal the money. Well, that I've seen that happen too. So but if you do nothing, you get nothing. You get no protection at all. So do something. That's why. Should also say that if you remember in the nineties
[02:34:55] Unknown:
when trust became, quote, unquote, in vogue, and you had all these people traveling around the country trying to sell you one for 2 to $3,000 that really weren't experts like Brent is, and there could be holes in those. That was one of the big problems. Oh. And one of the real advantages of taking this trust class because you don't have to worry about somebody doing something for you don't understand and don't know where the loopholes are. You'll know that from the bottom up, and it's, depending on what kind of property you're gonna put in there. I think that'd be real important to most people.
[02:35:28] Unknown:
My baptism of fire in the world Roger.
[02:35:30] Unknown:
Hold on just a second.
[02:35:32] Unknown:
My baptism of fire in the world trust was defending people who trust promoters have sold documents to anywhere from 20 to $40,000 or more. And, all they got out of it was a federal indictment. That's right. Yep. Yep.
[02:35:48] Unknown:
So that's part of the problem too, Larry. Who was Hey Roger in there? Was that Michael?
[02:35:54] Unknown:
This is exgentile. No. Oh, ex. Hey, man. Ex gentile here. Can you hear me? I hear you loud. Hey. How's it going, guys? Well, we're going pretty good. Paling off. Brent, I thank you for your honesty about your your experience with the different Bibles. I just appreciate that. You know? My question is, is, is there such a thing as a deed of trust? Because I do believe I have one of those and I, I don't really know much about it and I'm wanting to find more out about it. But the reason why I know I have one is because I went and purchased four silencers, you know, about fifteen years ago.
And this my silencer guy, you know, he's established a deed of trust for me and put those in there. And how do I find out information about it? And and what is this exactly does that kinda mean? Have you guys ever heard of that? Are you shooting shooting hogs, or what are you shooting? You shooting hogs? I was, using it for no. I was deer hunting, you know, so they, you know, kinda keep it quiet and stuff like that. So that way, I don't ruin my spot. And and it's just I, you know, I like it for hearing protection. You know? It's I'll be honest, and it's perfectly legal.
[02:37:01] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. I get it. That's a good point. And with shooting hogs, you know, it's silent, so the hogs will run away if they hear a rifle go off and be have a Well, there ain't no there ain't no hogs in Missouri, or I'd take care of them. Well, I beg to know They may be up there pretty soon. It's just Yeah. I've been reading I've been reading on the Internet about hogs in Missouri. They might be right. Well, they might be. I don't know. I just know what to read, but they'll run the Islamic people out. That's the good side of it. Listen. So go to certain
[02:37:29] Unknown:
after the National Geographic landscape changes of what's to come, they'll probably be here. Yeah. I'm all for it for now. But, anyways, what about the what about the is the deed is that deed of trust that that that guy put my silencer in, is that the same kind of trust you guys are talking about? No. No. It's not. And if you go to the go to the Internet, just type in deed of trust and just read, the Wikipedia article about it, you'll be amazed how simple it is to understand.
[02:37:57] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:37:58] Unknown:
Need of trust. That's all I wanted to know. Thank you guys for your information. You guys have a great weekend. Shalom.
[02:38:03] Unknown:
To you. Thank you.
[02:38:05] Unknown:
Brent, my stomach is acting up. Yeah. We gotta go, Roger. Thank you all, though. We we appreciate you. It it makes us feel like you're interested in what we're doing here, and that that, that fires us up. And, we're here to educate and prepare you for the future. Next time, Roger, I hope I can go to Luke chapter 22 and talk about the difference. The things the way things are now is the way that they were when Jesus Christ came the first time by his own testimony and what we're to do about it. Well, we don't usually preplan shows, but that sounds like a good deal for next Friday. Well, okay. Yeah. Just a just a subject. We don't have to preplan what we're gonna be saying or Yeah. Yeah. Okay. A topic.
[02:38:45] Unknown:
Okay, Brent. Well, have a great week. And, for the folks that don't have a church home, on Brent's website, commonlawyer.com, you can link in to his, church service on Sunday, which is, always entertaining. And Francine, I trust Francine is doing well, and please send her our regards if you would. Okay. I will. Thank you, Roger. Alright. Okay. Ciao ciao, Brian. Okay. See you guys tomorrow. Have a great day. It's Friday. Ciao.
[02:39:33] Unknown:
Hey, y'all. Did Brent just say people who have a trust, the trust can be taken away from them by the government or somebody like that?
[02:39:52] Unknown:
Yes, ma'am. Sure can. The guy with the bigger gun or the more, they can do whatever they want. And they do. I mean, it's all around us. They take over whole countries.
[02:40:13] Unknown:
Yeah.
[02:40:21] Unknown:
They took over hours after the civil war, didn't they?
[02:40:27] Unknown:
They what? Didn't didn't understand your first word.
[02:40:31] Unknown:
They took over hours after the civil war, didn't they? If not before. Yep.
[02:40:49] Unknown:
Yeah. I believe it's a land I'm sitting on right now. Belonged to Japanese folks, but they got put away in some little internment camp, and and it got, and it got sold off. And my grandfather stumbled across it and had to have it, but he didn't kill nobody to get it or send anybody away. Hell, he didn't even know about it, what it had gone through, which Yeah. It's it's dystopic. Welcome to the Twilight Zone.
[02:41:32] Unknown:
Hey, Joan.
[02:41:34] Unknown:
Hey, Larry.
[02:41:36] Unknown:
Did this all answer your question? The Internal Revenue Service has spent $10,000,000 on weaponry and gear, including rifles and tactical shotguns since the start of the coronavirus pandemic. A new report says the findings from open the books come as the IRS is looking to hire special agents who will carry guns and make arrests with jobs available in all 50 states according to a posting on the agency's website. The years 2020 and 2021 were peak years at the IRS for purchasing weaponry and gear. Just since the pandemic started, the IRS has purchased 10,000,000 in weaponry and gear, says the report, from Open the Books, which describes itself as a nonprofit, nonpartisan government watchdog organization.
Now get this. The purchases are said to include 2,300,000.0 on ammunition, 1,200,000.0 on ballistic shields, 475,000 on Smith and Wesson rifles, 463,000 on Beretta 13 o one tactical shotguns, and 243,000 on body armor vests. So all that is needed, it appears, because if people do not file their tax returns, they can get in trouble.
[02:42:55] Unknown:
They need to cool it. Did y'all I liked what Brent said. Did y'all hear him call him the infernal revenue service? Infernal. That I I thought was good. Thanks, Larry. Hey. Hey, Larry. I just wanna say I appreciated everything else you said today and yesterday and the day before or either four days ago. I appreciate it.
[02:43:29] Unknown:
Thanks. You're welcome.
[02:43:35] Unknown:
Because of taxes, they killed Jesus too. Not just the Jews, but they used that against them. And Pilate was losing a lot of tax collectors. And, you read carefully, those Pharisees were, accusing Pilate, and they're gonna warn him to tell Caesar that he was not able to collect taxes as before. You look at the four gospel, you you go and really read carefully. You understand what I'm saying.
[02:44:12] Unknown:
Good. Thanks.
[02:44:19] Unknown:
What was that in the gospel that you said to read?
[02:44:26] Unknown:
When you read carefully, you see the Jewish, they were sort of in a certain ways, threatening, the governor of Jerusalem or Ponce of Pilate. Because a lot of people were asserting and a lot of people were converting. And a lot of those people to revenue. Remember when you the king and the the king asked you 20%.
[02:44:54] Unknown:
She clears out of the 30%, and then he You're breaking up. You're breaking up. Hard to hear.
[02:45:00] Unknown:
Do you hear me? Please repeat. When you're collecting taxes and you have the king, the king has a governor, And then he said, collect 20% from the and he puts 30% in top of it. He puts his share. And then we he puts his own people to collect taxes. They put another five, ten, whatever the number is. And then he was losing revenue in so many ways. So everybody gets their share, and the people are the ones become lambs or sacrifice, and, are the one that gets all hurt. But Jesus, one of the reasons that he was crucified is because of that in indirectly.
[02:45:46] Unknown:
Did did you hear what I said about Sabbath? How in the Bible, they, took about six times Sabbath was mentioned and changed it to first day of the week. And that's how they've eased in Sunday. But what I was going for, which there's not enough time to get into it today. But the Jesus Christ was raised up. He didn't right? He he laid down his life and he raised himself up really, you know, because he is God. But it was Sabbath morning. He was only in that tomb a few hours. We're told the prophecies that his body would not decay, and it didn't that in Psalms. And also, these bones wouldn't be broken and they weren't.
But, also, the three day thing where you know, that's just another thing with the pagan stuff. But interesting, the, chapter Luke 22 that Brent said he wants to get into next week, if you read in there, not very far down, you'll see where Judas Iscariot goes before they met in the upper room to deal with the, parasites and, arrange a price and a meeting and all that. So that's where the three days started counting down.
[02:47:04] Unknown:
That's interesting.
[02:47:06] Unknown:
Because if you look at it, you know how it's sunset, to sunset, right, is how they counted the days. And, there's no way you'd have three days from Friday to Sunday morning anyway and that you know? So, I mean, there's there's another drawback, but, it's all been done to confuse us and over time, you know, they slipped in the, Sunday, the sun worship. You know? So Yeah. Yep. Sabbath is the day. The day. What's your name?
[02:47:36] Unknown:
Pardon me? What's your what's your what's your name, Linus?
[02:47:40] Unknown:
I I can't tell what you're saying. I'm sorry.
[02:47:43] Unknown:
What is your name, Linus?
[02:47:46] Unknown:
Oh, no. I'm I'm Mer Mer Bailey in the chat. And I have a show over at RBN, so I, you know, get real mouthy.
[02:47:57] Unknown:
No. No. I no. You're not mouthy. I'm just you're interesting. So
[02:48:02] Unknown:
Well, I just find it interesting. I keep finding out these things and the Lord guides me and it's like, you know, I just throw off that old knowledge that wasn't true knowledge. You know? You see where it comes from. And it it helps being out here in nature and no television and, you know, deciding for myself what I will consume both physical food and everything else. You know? Praise you. The Bible. I mean, it really this Malcolm Bolden Bowden, it's just fantastic. But look at his videos on YouTube, and I don't yeah. He has a site too, and that'll lead you to it, I think, from the YouTube. And I put it in both the, FCC chat and in the numeral two radioranch.sashango.com and stuff about the Hutterites and the 5013 and the 50818 C1A.
[02:48:58] Unknown:
All that stuff. So How do you spell his last name?
[02:49:02] Unknown:
B o w d e n.
[02:49:06] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you.
[02:49:08] Unknown:
Yeah. I occasionally call him Michael by accident, but it's Malcolm, m a l c o l m. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. But he brings together all these experiments and things they've done. And the thing is, it's funny because the math works the same way. Either way, if the Earth is moving or if the universe is moving around us, it's the same math. But none of their experiments have shown the Earth to be moving. That's interesting. Yeah. What a giant thing. See, they you know, some say, oh, well, they didn't get to keep their geocentricity, the Jews or whatever, back Copernicus. And but he or, you know, he, he basically said on his deathbed, he was wrong too.
You know? And some like to say, oh, well, the church and the the Jews and everything about this. Well, it's actually true. And it's not like a you know, didn't he ever question why is it supposedly a solar system where it's this nice even like a 33 RPM album, you know, record. Sound hokey. Well, there's actually, like, three inter inter, relational things going on there. The Earth is stationary and the sun goes around it, but the planets before and after the Earth go around the sun according to this theory. So but I'm not and then then they have the one that they brought in that the sun is like a like a comet, and the planets are trailing behind it, you know. But you still have all this all this unrecognizable movement. It's just not going on, you know. Wow.
Wow. And the earth is stationary. It's it's fantastic. Geocentricity, like I said, this Robertson's son, Janice, has some really good stuff. But then he gets the Catholic thing going where he says, the Catholics are responsible for the, salvation of the Protestant. Wow. What? What? You know, they're so they're so tied up in that Catholic religion, not even real it's a universal corporation is what it is. And you're putting somebody earthly between you and God, and you don't need to do that. Jesus is there for that purpose. There you go. There you go, girl. And when when when Brent brings up, first John first John five seven, that's another, YouTube channel, truth is Christ. And, they show how, Brandon Peterson shows how you know, before we had the computers, we couldn't find out about all these mathematical proofs where Jesus Christ, the holy spirit, all about sevens. And, also shows in there how this, first John five seven that they question.
That's the one thing I asked AI about because it says, you know, the three are one. You know, the three in heaven are one. And, when I asked AI, it says, oh, they use it to prove that there's a trinity, but it doesn't do that. And it doesn't. I don't believe in a trinity anymore. I mean, it's nice. There again, you got the three pagan thing going on. There's one God. But the Bible is written for us to understand the son of God is also God the son. You know? I mean, we we accept that there's there's, omnipresence. He's everywhere all the time, you know? And, omniscient, he knows everything. You know, how many hairs are on your head and everything else.
And he's omnipotent, but yet we can't accept that it's one God. You know? Here's the way to look at it. God is pure love and love is invisible. So Christ came in the flesh to show us how a perfect life is to be lived.
[02:53:01] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. Well, thank you very much.
[02:53:05] Unknown:
Thank you. I just love it. I just love finding this stuff out.
[02:53:10] Unknown:
That's kinda scary about the trust, though, ain't it? But, you know, I got some land too.
[02:53:15] Unknown:
Yeah. You know, I don't worry about any of that stuff. I mean, stuff pops up now and then, and I deal with it, you know, whatever. But I put it in his hands. I put everything in his hands. You know? And if he tells me to do something, I do it.
[02:53:30] Unknown:
You know? Whew. That's good. That's real good.
[02:53:34] Unknown:
And you learn so much from things that are, quote, unquote, mistakes or that, you know, seem like, you know, stumbling points or whatever. But you learn so much from that because it takes you out of your original way of thinking. And, he shows you what he's trying to show you through that. Yeah.
[02:53:57] Unknown:
Well, thank you so much. I'm glad I hung on a little while.
[02:54:00] Unknown:
Yeah. Thank you. And what's your name?
[02:54:03] Unknown:
Christian.
[02:54:04] Unknown:
Christian. Oh, great. Great name.
[02:54:08] Unknown:
Yes. I'm kind of kind of a newbie. I've been on here all month, but, I'm just trying to wait for my Social Security check to become a national. I'm gonna get get this stuff done for my being a national.
[02:54:22] Unknown:
Yeah. Get an affidavit into the Secretary of State and keep finding out all the particulars. Yep.
[02:54:29] Unknown:
Yes. Well, thank you so much. Mhmm. My affidavit
[02:54:35] Unknown:
my affidavit is one sentence. And I took it off of their page at which says, I and your name, being duly sworn, declare my intention to be a national, not a citizen. And, I changed the part about being duly sworn to being affirmed by God. So that's my one sentence. And that's all I sent. You know, even the one that's, shortened on the on the matrix stocks is, still involves more things. I mean, you don't have to declare the fourteenth amendment, which wasn't totally ratified. Just because they use it doesn't mean it's legit. You know?
So I figured the least to rebut. Right?
[02:55:19] Unknown:
Yes. And that's you said I am duly sworn
[02:55:22] Unknown:
to Yeah. But I didn't use the duly sworn part because that's we're not supposed to do that, right, according to God's law. So I put I, and then you have your name, and then being affirmed by God instead of being duly sworn. Being affirmed by God, declare my intention to be a national and not a citizen. And that's on one of the I don't know. Can you see the chat? Any or not?
[02:55:52] Unknown:
Can I see the chat?
[02:55:53] Unknown:
Yeah. In the FCC?
[02:55:55] Unknown:
No, ma'am.
[02:55:57] Unknown:
Oh, okay. Well, write down and remember this, numeral2radioranch.chatandgo, that's chatango,.com. Numeral2radioranch.chatandgo.com. And I'll put it in there again, my particulars. So you can see where it came from. I mean, it's just, it's summarized down to, you know, the smallest smallest way you can say it.
[02:56:29] Unknown:
Okay. Okay. Numeraltwo, radioranch
[02:56:37] Unknown:
Yeah. Dot yeah.
[02:56:40] Unknown:
.Com?
[02:56:41] Unknown:
No .chatango.com or chat and go. It's c h a t a n d o. That's all one word. Chatang0.com.
[02:56:54] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:56:57] Unknown:
Sorry. I'm a little slow. No. No. It's alright. It it won't go away. It'll be there where where this chat goes away. You know?
[02:57:05] Unknown:
K. Would you just would you just tell me the last part? Affirmed by God. What's the rest of that?
[02:57:15] Unknown:
I, being affirmed by God, declare my intention to be a national and not a citizen.
[02:57:24] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:57:26] Unknown:
But the it it'll be in the chat room there too, and you'll see the link. I've given out the link, but it's kinda long. But it'll be in that chat room. It'll all be in that chat room. I'll put it in there right now.
[02:57:38] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:57:39] Unknown:
Murrah, if you if you wanna get a watered down version of the trinity, just get an NAS Bible, and it'll do it for you.
[02:57:52] Unknown:
Yep.
[02:57:56] Unknown:
Thank you. Thank you, Myr.
[02:57:59] Unknown:
Yeah. And this truth is Christ, YouTube is so good because you see why God has had the King James version, the King James Bible be around for this time. Because so, you know, the English is like the accepted language language everywhere, and so it's acceptable, you know, usable by everyone everywhere. And, but then when you see how it all boils down mathematically, numerically, it's just fascinating. And it just shows God's hand at work all the time. You know, people say, oh, well, you have to study the Greek or the Latin. You think God didn't make all the languages? He knows.
He's put it in you know? It it's like you have to say Yehoshua or you have to say Jesus Christos. Well, I'll tell you what. I called out to Jesus, and he came to my rescue and saved my life. I'm sure more than once when I when I didn't even cry out, but I called out to Jesus. Said Jesus, he helped me, and he was right there. He drove my little Volkswagen. He did. Yep. Alright. You hey. Do you spell your name like myrrh the herb or or how? Oh, no. Just m e r. It sounds like that, but it's just m e r. It's my initials, you know, and acronym of my initials, and then Bailey is, the rest of it. And that's b a I l e y, myrrh Bailey.
[02:59:24] Unknown:
Okay. Well, God bless you. It's been good talking to you after, after the show. God bless you. Thank you.
[02:59:34] Unknown:
Thank you, Christian. Likewise.
[02:59:36] Unknown:
Alright. God bless you, and God speed to you.
[02:59:46] Unknown:
Hey, Mer. When will the when do the when did the beavers, take a day off? That's that's what I'm I'm very curious about.
[03:00:01] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. You gotta check this out. You find that on YouTube. It's Sabbath, the seventh day, ever since creation. And there's other creatures that do it too. But this is so noticeable because they're so busy all the time. Busy as a beaver. Right? But Friday at what? Friday at sunset, they dive under and go up in their lodges and stay there till the following sunset.
[03:00:22] Unknown:
And why did they have to back in the old days, why did everybody have to wear a beaver hat? And then you got the Mad Hatter getting, you know, because they cured it with mercury, and they they got Mad Hatters.
[03:00:36] Unknown:
I don't know. I I I don't know. You sound a little stoned or drunk. Yeah. I don't know.
[03:00:42] Unknown:
They they go into their lodge Saturday night, and they read their King James version of the Bible.
[03:00:49] Unknown:
Friday night. Friday night, Samuel. Let's not mock what doesn't deserve to be mocked. Alright?
[03:00:55] Unknown:
I'm not mocking it. I'm
[03:00:57] Unknown:
I'm I'm pointing out the King James Bible is what everybody should have regardless of what prayer is. But it's Friday night. They go in. Saturday night, they come out. Yeah. And Johnston is is it is it is it a t or an s that I missed? I don't even know. The t. You were calling him Johnson. I had to look back at you know? Oh, I was watching it and everything. So, yeah, it's Johnston,
[03:01:19] Unknown:
t o n. Did you did you look at the one I sent you?
[03:01:24] Unknown:
Little bit. I didn't go through it at all. I mean, it's just like there's so much stuff, you know. Oh, you know what? I'm just gonna depth. It's way more clear on the science. It's
[03:01:33] Unknown:
altogether a better version. The interviewer isn't a hypocrite. You know? There's that. So Yeah. Cucker.
[03:01:42] Unknown:
I count on Cucker for a reason. Yep.
[03:01:47] Unknown:
But it's good. It's good. I love his little ukulele music in front with his log cabin and his his, little parka on. And, you know, the guy lives in Florida in a mansion and flies his private jet up there into that studio to throw those things out at people.
[03:02:13] Unknown:
Who's that you're talking about?
[03:02:15] Unknown:
Tucker.
[03:02:16] Unknown:
Oh, I thought so. Supposedly, he's in Maine in his little, cabin.
[03:02:23] Unknown:
Yeah. He he takes his private jet from Florida to Maine Mhmm. A few times a month to run those little pieces of his country bumpkiness, which No. No. It was I remember him back when he was dressed in his Ivy League suit with his bow tie. Telling people how stupid they were for believing in conspiracy theories like JFK. That's the real Tucker.
[03:02:49] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. 911. I I know I saw one thing where he was had been speaking, and he came out and just a couple some regular dudes talking about nine 11 being an inside job and and just the way he turned. So it was scary. You know? I forget what he said to him, but it was you know? It it wasn't nice at all. And I thought, oh, there's a true character. He
[03:03:14] Unknown:
he is a very intelligent man who knows him Oh, sure. And and and and thinks other people are less than he is. That's exactly what he said.
[03:03:24] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. It's it's very, yeah, very noticeable. He he acts all meek and mild a lot of the time, but,
[03:03:32] Unknown:
I don't think he's wasp, and he said he's against the elites and, you know, the the state the statists. You know?
[03:03:41] Unknown:
Listen. This latest and everyone else's latest thing, you know, where, Fuentes, they didn't let. He can just talk for, like, three hours. You know, 26 year old, and he's really stirring things up, and I like it. And things he said last year are coming true, you know, or even before that. But, apparently, Trump tweeted out about, and I think I remember this, about Cucker's father being CIA. Right? And and basically pretty high up in it. And then after, Candace and and she was kinda nasty with Fuentes too because, you know, we didn't he's Catholic, you know, doesn't like the race mixing. And, of course, e, Michael Jones says, oh, you just start a new race. And I'm like, oh, boy. No. He'll be on live at four central on on Rumble, e, Michael Jones. But, anyway, so, he had an interview. He Fuentes came and, you know, interviewed with her.
And, and then Candace and Cucker are together, and they're basically tearing down Fuentes. He didn't do anything. You know? What's he revealing a little too much about each of you? Which he was. And so that's that's where kinda the the division is. And, so, Conker is saying, oh, that kid, and he's gay, and he's in his mother's basement or something, you know, in his bay you know, it's just stupid. Right? But it didn't get any attention when a guy came to the door. A guy who had just killed three people had come to his door to kill him.
You know? And then get any he's in Chicago. You know, but he didn't get any news coverage. You know? I mean, they they want him gone because he's just and he believes in g like I said, he's Catholic, but he believes in Jesus. And and, they even, you know, go so far as to ask him, oh, are you a virgin? I mean, when do you ask people that? Right? And he says, oh, yes. I am. He says, I hope to have a family, Mary, and have a family someday. But, I mean, he started this stuff when he was 18. You know? So he's just speaking the truth. They can't stand that.
[03:05:51] Unknown:
Someone came and went pointed his throat. And what happened after that?
[03:05:57] Unknown:
Well, he was in the, if they got the guy or obviously, got the guy because of the other killings he did. I forget how this whole story went. But, you know, he had a camera out there, and you could see the guy, and he's wearing a helmet. And, yeah. Oh. It just there is a bunch of stuff. There's been other harassment and stuff too, but that is pretty blatant. And there's probably a lot of these cells, so to speak, you know, MK Ultra or whatever that are, you know, time to, go off at certain points. And and then a lot of it is just totally made up so they can frame another young white guy.
[03:06:43] Unknown:
Well, I didn't see I'm sorry. I didn't see the, Candace, Tucker, Fuentes. And then was there one later also with just Candace and Fuentes? I don't know. But, anyway, I wish I'd seen them. I don't know how to see them. But but, do do you remember, Marv, what exactly he said that or did or said that Tucker didn't like and that Candace did not like?
[03:07:09] Unknown:
Well, it sounds like the primary thing was he was saying how Cucker's father was CIA. And, of course, Cucker knows about this. Right? Yeah. And so he was saying, how did this gay kid in his basement know about my father? I didn't learn about it till he died in March. That's just lies. But you gotta remember, God had a memory. Tucker was best friends with Hunter Bryden, lived near him. He was a VIP at Comet Ping Pong Pizza. Yeah. Yeah. So is he working off his redemption now or what? You know? No. He thinks he's he thinks he's, you know, too cool. And he does does some good interviews, you know, but he plays stupid when he we know he's not.
Yeah. And the whole thing, he goes to Moscow and and interviewed Putin. That Putin didn't look like the same Putin we usually see, but I don't know. Oh. They all have stand ins. And the ultimate goal is this, not only Eretz Israel, you know, where they're taking up all the countries around them bit by bit, but they want the whole planet. And the Bible says, time will be shortened, lest there be no flesh left. You know, I'm paraphrasing there, but it's basically what it says.
[03:08:32] Unknown:
Hey. How about Murr get on with Tucker and tell him about the Oh, he's getting me on. Sun circled the Earth. And he went, circle
[03:08:44] Unknown:
Yeah. No. He he can get Robert's on. What? Like I said, he he has that science down really good too. And I don't think Malcolm's probably around anymore, but, yeah, you need to check I can send that stuff to you, Joan, if you want, or you can find it in that chat room. But, yeah. It's literally well, I'll yeah. I'll do that with that stuff too, but I I was talking about Bowden
[03:09:11] Unknown:
because that is so fascinating. Yeah. The man who he's the one is he the one you said earlier? I was gonna bet go back and relisten if it try to get the name. Is that the one where you said you got the information about the sun going around the earth around the earth?
[03:09:26] Unknown:
Yeah. The geocentricity. He's been doing this for years. Malcolm is his first name. It's m a l c o l m and Bowden, b o w d e n. Malcolm Bowden. And you can find that on YouTube. He has a channel there. And I think from there, you can find any other he has other site and I forget exactly what it was called. But one of the big things he was into when I first heard of him, he was the most interrupted guest that Clint Richardson had on his show. But Clint had, found about him because one of the things he talks about is breakdowns are good for you. And Clint, apparently, had had a breakdown after work in Hollywood and, you know, and sound stuff for different, I guess, movies and video games and stuff. And one of the ones they liked the best was the squealing pig when they're castrating them. Right?
Which makes me think of the ease off ad on RBN, but yeah. Oh. Yeah. But then all this stuff, when when he learned what was going on and the Jews and everything and well, he had a breakdown. And, you know Mhmm. Well, I think it was different stuff with his private life and all too, but that's neither here nor in in this circumstance. But, anyway, that's how he had had him on as a guest, I think, two times. I think that's all. But each time, the Internet all kind of stuff would happen, so we would lose contact with him. Oh.
But, that's what else he was, really known for was his geocentricity. And when he heard about the flatter stuff, he was just like, no. I mean, that is such an op. It's insulting. Would God step on this one and flatten it out? You know? And what was it? Somebody said Tuesday night after show there, Anthony said, because they want me to talk about flat earth, I guess, and question them why why I talk about the Bible, but I won't talk about flat earth. Well, duh. Which one's legitimate? You know? I'm just tired of hearing all these lies. But Anthony said that, well, I know it's I don't know what shape the earth is, but I know it's not a ball. I mean, it sounds so childish. You know? But he says because water doesn't run uphill.
The excuse it's just absurd. And if you watch those videos, you will get absurd. And, like I said, David Wise, this guy's name, Mark Sargent, woman who went by Patricia Steele, but that's, kind of a made up name. I I don't I don't know if I ever found her real name when she was Jewish or is Jewish. And, you know, some of the ones listening, oh, she's legitimate. She made her own money, and you don't make your own money. Alright? If you get into big bucks, there's gonna be a reason. You know, and and it might even be why they bankrupt it. You know, that's that's the thing I had asked, Mike Gaddy. I said, well, if Trump is in so tight, why did they let him go bankrupt? You know, I'm not saying any good or anything. I'm just saying no one is all bad or all good. None are righteous. No. Not one. But God works through everyone.
[03:12:39] Unknown:
Hey, Mara. Do you know what happened to Clint Richards?
[03:12:44] Unknown:
Clint Richardson? What?
[03:12:48] Unknown:
Did he come back? There's another show or whatever? To me.
[03:12:52] Unknown:
He did one for a while over on UCY, and, I don't even know if they're still up. And, and then he did podcast, Sunday
[03:13:04] Unknown:
Something with a pill. Something with a pill. Red pill. Right?
[03:13:08] Unknown:
Yeah. Red pill Sunday school. And this is the other thing I gotta tell you now since we're gonna talk about red pill because that is such a fallacy and a trick too. They stole the, the Wachowski brothers, now sisters. That's creepy enough. Those two Jews stole the, screenplay and, the idea from Thomas Althouse, a l t h o u s e, or Anderson. That's his clan name, so he goes by either. But, he wrote a book called The Immortals, and that's what this whole story, The Matrix and and I'm not sure just how the immortal says, but the fact is the red pill is the bad one. The blue pill is the good one. The red pill keeps you in the thing, and it stands for the children's blood, the adrenochrome.
Like, and everybody's using this red pill. Right? Because, that's what they know because they go by the movie. Right?
[03:14:10] Unknown:
But, I don't know. What about no pill? What about no pill? I don't want no pharmakea pill. Yeah. I don't take any pills either. Right?
[03:14:18] Unknown:
Just for treatment.
[03:14:20] Unknown:
He he was so smart, and I remember that he was getting frustrated because nobody was following him. He would say things like that in the end, more or less. And, but then we came on the straw man. He was using the Bible.
[03:14:33] Unknown:
He he was a very interesting guy, but it it sometimes, he just fell out of the bed. No. There was there was some lacking things there. He used to buy oh, this is the book of law. Like I said, you know, with his personal lifestyle or whatever it is, I don't know for sure, but people can't use the Bible wholly if they're doing something that they know is not part of the law in the Bible. You know what I mean?
[03:14:59] Unknown:
Yeah. And so they'll use it to their you know, what parts they think and stuff. You know you know, but he did say I don't remember. It's been a long time, but he did say things before the COVID a long time about the DNA. And he brought this guy and, and, and that you're able to turn off your with the injection, turn off, the DNA of the lizard. And he, you know, he has certain at least some of the guests. He he he has certain good things that, he was not digging really. Oh, I see. Into the bible stuff and he wrote that small man. Coming to the chat room every night and
[03:15:36] Unknown:
enjoyed it. You know? It was it was great. But he, was I gonna say, he was very early on about all the vaccinations and stuff too.
[03:15:46] Unknown:
You know? And also about the taxes being used missing property tag being misused with a different account and all that. You know, you got a lot of good good stuff.
[03:15:54] Unknown:
Yeah. The prions, you know, and the vaccines and yeah. Yeah.
[03:16:03] Unknown:
Elmer, the, Malcolm Bowden.
[03:16:07] Unknown:
Yeah. Bowden, I think he pronounces it, but, yeah, b o w d e. Like Bowdown.
[03:16:13] Unknown:
So the only place you saw him was on with Clint Richardson, and you only saw him once or twice on Clint Richardson.
[03:16:20] Unknown:
See him at I didn't see him on there at all. You know? It was a audio, but, that's that's where I learned about him. Okay. That's where I remember learning about him. But like I said, Clint was talking about it because of his help from, coming over a breakdown, how nervous breakdown could be good for you. You know? And and in a lot of ways, you can see that. I mean, that's gotta be a fast way of dumping the old cargo that's not any good. Right? And so you're able to, take on what is good. You know? Mhmm. What is special? So, I mean, that that's good. But when I did go to his site, which I can't think of the name right now, I could look it up. But, anyway, he, his main thing was talking about geocentricity.
I'm like, oh, what's this? And but then I didn't pay any attention to it for a while. I just kinda looked down. Okay. And, but then more recently, it's just hit me. You know? The universe is going around us. It's fantastic. We're the crown of creation, but they want us to think that we're, man or other animals. Right?
[03:17:31] Unknown:
Mhmm. And that about does it for the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales for this Friday edition with Brent Allen Winters and Roger Sales. Catches here Monday through Saturday, 11AM to 1PM eastern time. And, you can, check our website, thematrixdocs.com. That is thematrix,d0cs,.com. You can find links to free conference calls so you can actually join us live in the show. We've got a room for about a thousand of you, so come on down. You can also find links to interviews, downloadables, exhibits, resources, ebooks, you name it, it's there. Like I've said many times before, pack a lunch, stay the day, baby.
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[03:19:37] Unknown:
Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.
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[00:01:46] Unknown:
Alrighty. Well, as we would to mister Lee, thank you for introducing us again here on this Friday edition of the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales and, my cohost, Brent Winters. He's, he's gonna make a little late appearance here, it appears today, but that's okay. You'll join us because because we hadn't heard otherwise. Of course, if it was a situation where he couldn't join us, I I wouldn't hear it from him because thank you, Microsoft. Anyway, here we go. Brent will be around directly. Don't know if Francine's gonna show up today or not. But, Roger Sales is your host at this moment, and, it is the August 15.
Halfway through the month. Unbelievable. Summer's almost over for you folks up there, and things get back to you. Well, can I say normal? Is the is the state of our country normal or the world? I don't think so. But, anyway, we'll get back to some semblance of that, I guess. So, Friday's, we are joined by some folks, and we bring Paul out to identify him. I don't guess Allen is, over his legal chores yet. Right? No. Not quite. And see, that's my problem with doing that sort of stuff. Now he's a he is the moving party as they call him here. And, so he's got a burden of proof and some other stuff, and that makes it a little harder for you. But, anyway, we'll welcome his return whenever, Paul, that may be.
Mhmm. So if you could give our other folks proper credit, that we'd appreciate it.
[00:03:23] Unknown:
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[00:04:17] Unknown:
Oh, goody. Goody. Maybe Paul will even pop over. Who knows? You never know. I see mister Winter's got his horse tied up there at the corral
[00:04:26] Unknown:
and sashayed on him. Oh, Paul was thinking he was gonna try and show up today, but he didn't really know how his afternoon was gonna be going. Of course, they're five hours ahead of us. Yes. Of course.
[00:04:39] Unknown:
Did y'all talk about the cat calling of of female joggers over there in England? You talked about that? Yeah. And and I made,
[00:04:48] Unknown:
I I made a public notice statement that, I am, an American national. I'm a national of The United States Of America. My rights, freedoms, person and property are protected by treaty and international law, and I will say whatever the hell I wanna say. Oh,
[00:05:06] Unknown:
I will I will try and compliment a, attractive female jogging along anytime I wish. Right? Is that your attitude?
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My attitude is they're not gonna tell me what not to say and that I, I, declared the disclaimer that, anything that I say, any opinion that I may have or express is my own and is not a reflection on W B N 324. Oh, that's good. Soapbox.com,
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Paul and Chris live. It is my own. So Uh-huh. Come for me, Gomorrah. I am a Trey. Okay. No. So you disclaimered them right out of the room, did you? Yeah. I just claimed to run out of the damn room. Let's because I know that Brent doesn't keep up with the news and stuff like we do. And I'm gonna wonder I wanna ask you, Brent, have you heard what's going on over there across the pond that we're referring to here? No. I have. No. Good morning, by the way. Well, it it appears that it's now against the, law in England to catcall, whistle, or compliment a female jogger.
And they went so far as to take a squad out, send two little bait bait girls, you know, two little ballyhoo's out in their skimpy little shorts running around. And, then anybody that cat called or whistled them, the the unit would arrest them. I think they got 18 people in one day or some some ridiculous thing. So, that's what's going on on the other side of the pond there, Brent. I I guess. I would think that females would kinda like that as a compliment, but but there again, you never know.
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Well, the lesbian mind, the girls gotta have they gotta express their hatred of men's aggression. Okay. Yeah. That's all it is. Don't you think? That's my my take on it. That's what the century is not all women, just a few lesbian minded women that Yeah. Scream and color and control things. You know? Right. Yeah. I, remember,
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In other words, a couple of vegetarians will spoil the whole the whole soup.
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I remember, before I was married, missus Brent, said that she was walking in Long Beach, California, outside of Long Beach City College where it was. I think that was the first junior college in the country with Long Beach City College. It's a pretty huge institution now. No. It was then too, and that's been fifty years ago. But over fifty years ago, she was walking. It was a nighttime, and, there were some boys there of color. And they watched her walk by, and then one of them said, baby. Catfish, shake it. You know, like that. And, I said, did that bother you?
And she said, no. It didn't bother me. But, it happens more often than men would or, yeah, the men know about and girls know, and that kind of stuff happens. And, but I don't know that it bothered them back then much. I never heard anybody complaining about it. That's called a catcall. Of course, the whistle is part of our culture, and there's a certain way to whistle at a girl. And, of course, whistling is something people when I was being fetched up, that was something people did. If they admired something or they thought it was really good or they would whistle. Yes. Yeah. And there's a certain way to whistle, and you know what that is, Roger. Yes.
Yeah. So, they're insane over there. They're they're getting worse. Is it any wonder is it any wonder that we left and came over here? No.
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Not much.
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No. No. Even and as much as we appreciate our friends over there, even when that happened, things were so controlled over there that folk couldn't stand it. I remember reading, that if you got within this law, if you got within 50 miles of a coastline of that island called Britain with a sack of wool that didn't have letters stenciled on it, it had to be a certain size. I forget what the letters had to say. And then you were arrested of a crime. And, of course, wool was a chief commodity, coming out of the island of Britain, but the control was overwhelming. And that's why America was so prosperous.
And when people from England got here back to three hundred, two hundred and fifty years ago, they were shocked at the way the Americans were living, the size of their houses, the numbers of their servants, their prosperity, and it made them envious. That's one of the reasons why they tried to tie the noose on us. They wanted money. They wanted taxes from people who were making a lot of money. They coulda had the same thing, but parliament controlled everything and government had become nearly total. And that's what you're seeing now here. You you can't make certain noises or they'll arrest you.
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Speaking of noises, there's a little scratch there or something in the background. I don't know if it's you, Brent, or one of the other listeners or something, but those microphones are real sensitive. And if you're moving around, they can give us that little, like, that little sound drop in right there. So I don't know. Paul, is that coming from Brent or somebody else, or do you know? Well, Paul didn't know because he's all That was her because he muted. Okay. Thank you. Well, Roger go ahead, Roger. Did you have something else you wanted to say? Well, I'm not off. Not particularly. Just a lot of stuff going on. I did wanna say that I was correct, at least, in my prognostication of today's meeting, up there in Alaska back in my old stomping grounds because I used to live on Elmendorf.
We lived on base for a couple of years there in the officers quarters, and, mister Putin and mister Trump are gonna get together there on Elmendorf today. So there's two big bases there as you probably know, Brent. There's an army base called Fort Richardson, and it's right absolutely adjacent to the Air Force Base, Elmendorf. And, of course, Elmendorf's got that big runway there, and, it's right at the head of Cook Inlet. And, that's where they flew into, and I'm sure they're taking advantage of the securities and security apparatus that's already installed at Elmendorf that's no doubt been beefed up. But, yeah, I was glad to see Elmendorf pop up again. I spent a few years there when I was young.
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Yeah. Well, ain't there a place up there called Wainwright?
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Yeah. I'm not sure. I don't remember necessarily where Wainwright is.
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Well, I believe it's that base up north of Fairbanks, isn't it? Okay. Yeah. Could be. I'm there's
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this Eielson is another one up there. And that that may be another base. They may have two bases around Fairbanks. I don't know. I never got up to that part of the state. But, yeah, there's several, air force base. Well, you know that it's interesting the because Elmendorf and Fort Rich were both built in, World War two era, thinking the Japs would come and invade Alaska. So there's a huge land area back there that they control because we used to when I was a kid, we'd go out and get some GIs to buy us beer, and we'd go drink beer and go back in that area back there on those roads and go chase moose and stuff. You know? Being just yeah. Well, we had a car. Okay. So they were we had a little advantage there on the moose. But, anyway, yeah, I have fond memories of those days, and, no doubt they're meeting someplace there on Elmendorf. I can't imagine them going off base
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and risking security apparatus stuff with mister Putin, especially. So Well, there used to be a a railroad that run from, Anchorage down there on the coast to Fairbanks.
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Yeah. Yeah. And You could You remember that? Yeah. Well, I know about it. I never did, exercise it, but you can get on that train, and it goes through, absolutely totally remote areas. You know? Uh-huh. And so you wanna go fishing, and you just like yeah. Like on a bus, you press a button and they stop and let you off, and you go off in the in the wilderness and go hunting, fishing, whatever you're doing, and then you come back and wait. And when the train comes back on your return trip, it'll stop for you and pick you up. They used to do that. I'm not sure if they still do. Oh, they used to. When I
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heard that, if it doesn't run, maybe it doesn't now. But the name of the train, like, back in in, back in The States, they had the the the train called the city of New Orleans Right. On the Illinois Central. Arlo Guthrie made that too. Yeah. Well, that was a train that still runs, by the way, but it's not the Illinois Central anymore. But, up there, they call that train that went back and forth the moose gooser.
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I never heard that. It's probably pretty accurate. Oh, hell. Well Or the caribou chaser, because you get a moose. They are kinda individual. They go off and, you know, maybe a mother with a baby. But boy, when the caribou come through, that's a different story because they come through, like, a 150,000, 200,000 of them in a herd. British social. I'm sure. They are. Alright. We'd be here on the radio. Well, there's a herd of caribou about a couple 100,000 at miles so and so, and all all the hunters would throw their gun in the car and go out and, you know, pull off the side of the road and pop a caribou and come on.
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Yeah. Have enough meat for the rest of the winter. Yeah. Same way with moose. Moose are thicker than flies up there. Yeah. Sure. People eat those, put them in the freezer. Well, I got a call. Oh, I got I got a call. No. I talked to a fellow. Put it to it that way. I talked to a listener who listened regularly for a long time. Really? Yeah. And I said, on the phone, I said, oh, you listen. He's he said, oh, yeah. I I get on. I've been on four and been disagreeable with you. I said, well, I don't remember you. And he told me, some things about what he had said. And I said, what's what was your big disagreement? He said, well, he said, I'm a Mormon, and you sometimes criticize Mormon doctrine.
And, I said, yeah. I do that. And he, had we had quite a long conversation, friendly fellow, but he made the point. He said, I don't see it as my job to criticize other people's religions, and he talked about why and all that. I said, well, that's classic Mormon doctrine. You guys don't criticize anybody. That's part of your doctrine and not criticize other other religions, but that's not the doctrine of the Bible. The doctrine of the Bible teaches that there's right and wrong, and and he said, well, that's not my job. Well, I said it is my job. If you don't think it's yours, it is mine. But, again, I stress he was we were friendly, and he was friendly. And he wanted to talk, and he just telling me what was on his mind.
And I asked him about the show, and he he made some comments about you and me. I won't repeat them here. He was being honest. I of course, a few people are, see. So if I think there's an honest man that will talk, I wanna talk to him. I wanna know what he's really thinking. Whether he's right or wrong is is not the the main thing. I just wanna know what he's really thinking. Sure.
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So, we had a That's the politician that's still in you, Brett. Yeah. I guess. But he
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it was nice of him to call and talk and let me know. And there were other things we he wanna talk about. I believe over and plugged myself in here. He wanna talk about, but, Roger, we don't know who's listening to us. There's a lot of folk out there. We have no idea, Brent. No. We have no idea, but I'm glad to so that's why it's nice to know when they call once in a while or let us know they're listening, then that's an encouragement to us. But, I wanted to make a point about Mormon doctrine, and that is this. Number one, as I've said, it's against their doctrine, and that's it's a false doctrine, by the way, to say you don't criticize anybody's religion. That's if if your religion isn't right, yeah. It's Isn't it like law? You you can't really define the common law unless you're comparing it against something. Isn't that a good analogy? Yeah. If you're not willing to do yeah. I and and well, yeah. It is that that way. A matter of fact, our common law tradition is a tradition of religion called Christianity.
And if you don't if, the only way to understand our common law is compare and contrast it with the law of the city. And as you pointed out and and I, of course, agree, if you have a different law, you have a different god. A different god, you have a different law, a different lawgiver. So, religion and government and, law are, inextricably bound together. You cannot separate them. If you've got the right law and government, you've got the right religious point of view. That's fact as a culture. And if you don't, you don't. But, you take, for example, you look at government and law of religious institutions, and you can find out real quick if they've got the right lawgiver.
Institutions, and you can find out real quick if they've got the right law giver. Or no matter what they call him, of course, the Mormons will call him they were they say we worship Jesus Christ, and and then the but then they say the father, the son, the holy spirit, but then they'll turn around doctrinally and and deny the godhead, the triune god, and, dismiss that and then add things to the Bible like the Book of Mormon, which the Bible forbids in many places.
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Those kinds of things. The the big book that they all I remember John referring to a number of times is called Pearl of Great Price.
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Oh, that's another one. But they don't they they don't distinguish, but honestly, And I know they'll disagree with me about this, but I know their doctrine. The constitution of The United States is of equal dignity and inspiration as the Bible. That's their doctrine. We had a supreme court justice whose parents came here from Britain, and, he ended up they came here to be Mormons, and they in the early days, and they migrated to Utah not long after the Mormons settled there. One was from, one of his parents was from Scotland. I believe his mother was, and his father was from England, if I remember right. His name was Sutherland. He became a justice of the Supreme Court, and then he went, BYU.
No. Not b y what is it called? Brit yeah. BYU. Mhmm. BYU has been there a long time. He ended up going to it. And his view and then his mother and father were disillusioned as he was, and they they chucked the whole crazy idea and said we're getting out of this. Right. And they left. But while at BYU and I think this explains Sutherland's point of view. Sutherland held the constitution of The United States in the highest esteem. More so, it to him, it just was and kinda like Scalia, only different, but still, they held the same point of view. They held it up pretty pretty high, and, he probably got that at BYU.
That's a false doctrine too to hold the constitution of The United States on equal dignity with the Bible. That is demeaning to the Bible, and it's adding a a writing of equal dignity to the Bible, and the Bible forbids doing that. Is our constitution of The United States reliable? Yes. Is it, substantially good law? Yes. But it's not perfect. It's not inerrant, and that's why it includes with itself provisions to alter it or change it if need be. The Bible doesn't include that. The Bible doesn't admit of alteration or changes. It's the it's the God's record of his will communicated, of course, in several different forms of John Ray's of literature. Mhmm.
But, Sutherland was that that way. And, again, I'm glad he called, and we'll probably talk again because we well, you get like the who was it used to say it's good to learn even from your enemies? Well, I don't call this guy my enemy, but he certainly were contrary, but I can learn things from him Mhmm. If he'll if he'll allow it. But to be clear, as I always wanna be clear, Mormonism is not Christianity even for all of its all of its names. And it's fundamentally, what Mormonism is is Masonic Lodge. And it I mean, not a little bit. I mean, it is the Masonic Lodge. And Brigham Young was a staunch Mason, and he fashioned everything in, with some alterations, but some tweaking. But it's all masonry. It's all secret religion.
It's all, degrees of learning. Even the temple itself is of the same dimensions, as the masons buildings. You know, we have every little town in America, every big town has a has a blue lodge or a or a, a York lodge or a Scottish Rite lodge. The the building with no windows? Yes. And always usually have the same the ones I've seen, and I think I've read this, and Mackie's, right. You know, Mackie was the wrote what people call the bible of masonry, and, it's authoritative. You know, people say masonry is not a religion, but Mackey says in his book, it most certainly is a religion.
Well, what's a religion? That's an important question. It's one thing to say, well, that's religion. Well, what is religion? That's one of those words that people kick around like cord wood and never stop to define it. What is religion? Well, religion the word religion itself, the definition is in the word religare. It's a Latin based word. Lager is the word same root word as ligament, legion, lig, and it it's a Latin word that means to tie together, to bind. And re means back or again. So religion is a binding back or a tying back. And we'll tie him back to what? To one's lawgiver. One's final arbiter of right and wrong in individual instances from whose decision there is no appeal.
One's lawgiver, and we say God.
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And they'll test Repeat that again. We got some new folks on board. Repeat that again a little slower because this is folks, Todd and your bunch is pretty important right here. Would could you do that on the definition of religion?
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Oh, the definition. I thought you were talking about the definition of a lawgiver, but it's important to define all those things. But religion is your response back. Relaguerre. Okay. You're binding back. Your commitment back, your response back to your lawgiver, whoever your lawgiver is, and, everybody's got one. What is a lawgiver? A lawgiver is a final arbiter, not a final decider. A final arbiter. What's an arbiter? An arbiter is someone who makes a decision but doesn't isn't obligated to give any reasons for his decision. A juror is an arbiter.
He makes a decision, yes or no, up or down, guilty or innocent, but he's not obligated to ever say why. That's called an arbiter. And whoever your final arbiter of right and wrong is is your God, your lawgiver, your final arbiter of right and wrong in individual decisions from who in individual instances from whose decision there is no appeal. That's called, the Old Testament word is Elohim in the plural. That bespeaks the godhead of three persons, the the lawgiver panel. The, New Testament word is taos. Taos, t h o s t h o e s. Different ways you can spell it in English, but it means the same thing. And in the ancient world, that's the way those words were understood, and that's the way they should be understood today. Your final your lawgiver. Well, whoever your law giver is in any given instance, that's your god.
And your response back to your law giver is your religion. I think my law giver, my god wants me to do this. I do what my final arbiter of right and wrong. Some people say I ask people, who's your you got religion? No. Well, who decides for you? Who's your who is the arbiter of right and wrong in your life? Well, I'll ask some Bubba at a gas station. I do that. And nice guys. I like to talk to Bubbas. Bubbas are some of my most favorite people in America. Yeah. Because they don't appear to be sophisticated or intelligent, but they are. They're just smart as anybody else, probably smarter. But they don't put on any air, see, and they aren't formally educated above it. Oh, I guess I am. I get well, I guess you're right then. You're for you got yourself for a god and not too bright. I'll tell him. I don't think that's smart.
But if that's what you want, I guess, and nothing I can do about it. Well, of course, all of us fall into that trap at different times, and the Bible calls that there's a word in the King James Bible called will worship. Paul the apostle says folk like that are will worshipers. Oh, what's a will worshiper? Well, he worship worships what he wants. That's final to him, what I want. It's your own god. See? Well, that's, that's what religion is, and, it's everybody's got it, and everybody's got that final arbiter of right and wrong. And in the Mormon religion, the final arbiter of right and wrong is a is a man who is the present day prophet.
There are probably a few other things, other present other prophets that they go by, but it's ever changing. It's like Rome. You got a different present day prophet who speaks without air. And so they're all saying different things over the centuries and the decades, and pretty soon there's nothing but confusion beyond confusion. And that's exactly what has happened, for example, in the church of Rome. You couldn't you can never learn all the stuff they claim is inspired like the Bible. So and it's confusing and contradictory, all of it. Don't tell me otherwise how how many people really try to read some of the doctrines of the Church of Rome or the Orthodox Church or the Mormon church. Few few people in those churches do. I know that. They just go to church. It seems like they'll say it's a nice thing to do, and we wanna do be nice people. What's that, Roger? And they are nice people. I mean, I've met a number of them. So I met some missionaries down here.
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They're they're nice people. John and Glenn, of course. Glenn's bolted it off in another direction, but John was a devout Mormon. But, I keep hearing, and I just I'm trying to place where, that about Joseph Smith. And as they moved across the country to get to Utah, they stopped in several places, and they drove them out. I think like Missouri. Right?
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Well, Nauvoo, Illinois was the big one, where they were driven out. That's where Joseph Smith was murdered in a jail cell or trying to get out of one. Right. And that that was on Mississippi River, Nauvoo. I've been in Nauvoo. It's over on the West Side. Again, the Mississippi. Then they went to you, yeah, you pointed out Jackson County, Missouri, I believe. But some people came back to Jackson County because the doctrine was from the prophet that that was where they're supposed to be. And, of course, another other people said, no. We're supposed to be in Utah. That was big and I said bigamy young. I had bigamy on the mind, but Brigham Well, that's where that's kinda where I'm going. So go ahead. Yeah. Well well, that's what happened to Smith. See, Smith was a mason, hardcore mason.
And when they got to Nauvoo, they side decided to settle them and put down roots, and, of course, he joined the lodge there in town. Nauvoo's a little place still. But he got, I don't know the whole story, and I don't know what everybody everybody anybody will ever will know it all, but he he liked to have more than one gal. You know? That's polygamy. Young young gals. Yeah. Of course. They're the cute ones, I think. I they're more sexually aggressive. I don't know. But he liked that. And, so, people in the community, the men were getting a little bit nervous about it. And, like, one historian said when white folk get nervous, they start killing people.
Well, they were getting nervous because they had daughters and wives. And this yeah. It was getting out of hand. I mean, you go read about it. You go, oh, boy. Yeah. I can see how they'd be upset. Well, they ended up jailing him in the jail there on the Second Floor, and you can go to the jail. The Mormons own the jail now, so they have interpreters there who will explain to you what happened. You know? So so, like, is that like a trip to Israel? Yeah. It's like kind of a deal. And if you go there but it's it's nice if you ever do that part of the that neck of the woods. Stop and see what they say happened. But, what happened was he was up in the, I think believe it was on the Second Floor if I remember right, and the lynch mob finally showed up and somehow got in. But what I wanted to get out many things happened there. You know, people say, well, he fell in the window or out of the window, but he was shot. But he was he was showing the Mason sign because a lot of the men that were trying to get at him were Masons, and he thought if he did that, that would cover him, but it didn't. I think they riddled him, ventilated him, as they say, and that was into that. And then Brigham Young took over and, yeah, I I do they they did a lot of stuff.
A lot of amazing stuff. And then when they got out west, then we got even crazier. You know? You've heard of the massacre that they did and the angel of death and all those stuff. I don't know anything about that. I'm new. Oh, the the massacre they did on the on the folks from I believe they're from Missouri, Arkansas out there in the out there in the mountains. Oh, yeah. They went out there and just slaughtered men men, women, and children. A movie was made about that recently. And, something Meadows something Meadows Massacre, and somebody will know they've seen the movie. But I believe the guy behind the movie was the fella that years ago, was in catch 22.
Mhmm. Before that, he was in Midnight Cowboy back in the sixties and seventies. What was his name? I don't remember.
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Dustin Hoffman was in the
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pardon me? It's Voigt Voigt. Jon Voigt. Yeah. John Voigt was behind the movie about, massacre out there in the mountains, and I've been to that I've been to that place where that massacre occurred. They waited till the wagon train got out of town, and then they got the order to slaughter everybody, but they said they weren't going to. You know? They they some of them dressed up like Indians, and so the so they thought, the the wagon train would think it was the the pipe no. The Ute, I believe it was. The Ute. Right. Oh, just crazy stuff. That's quite a story, though, but they did make a movie out of it. I don't I've not seen the movie, but they say it's pretty accurate to the facts. Of course, a lot of men were tried, but the ones that really were responsible, Brigham Young probably gave the order, although he was shielded from liability.
It was the militia that did it, the Mormon militia that slaughtered those folks. Well, there are a lot of bad things. You say, well, are there any good things? Well, it it comes down to this. Salvation is not by morality. The Bible does not teach that salvation is by morality. The Bible does not teach that salvation is by keeping the law, the will of God. The Bible does not teach that salvation comes because you're a good person. That's the fault with all false religion. All false religion tells you that somehow if you keep this set of rules or be a good boy or girl or follow this moral code that maybe you'll be good enough that God will accept you. The Bible says that's a doctrine from hell. It's not true. Don't don't be drinking any coffee now. No. And coffee too. All all these rule. Well, does God want us to be lawful people? Yes. But that's not that's not what saves a man from hell. What saves a man from hell is what Jesus Christ did, not what you did.
Jesus Christ did it, period. Mhmm. He did it all. All to him you owe. That's it. Mhmm. And there's nothing in your hand you can bring, only to the cross you can claim. There is nothing. You're you're totally helpless, totally naked, foul. Who was it that wrote the old hymn? Foul I to the fountain fly, wash me savior or I die. Well, that's that's Christianity. All false religion, a lot of them will call themselves Christian, and they'll they'll teach otherwise. It's natural for a person to think in his flesh. Well, god, I wanna be a good person. I hope if I'm good enough that my good will outweigh my bad. That's a doctrine from hell too. Your good will never outweigh your bad. It's not possible. The Bible says Yeah. If you sin at one point, you're guilty and worthy of death, period. That's the end of it. How you gonna fix it? You can't. You're you're bound for hell.
That's what the Bible teaches. So what what remedy is there? God is the remedy, not you. And once God say gives you the new birth, if he does that, then you want in the worst way more than anything in the world. It gives you a new heart, a new mind, a new inclination. You want to learn his law and do it. Keep it. Safeguard it, and you will do it. That's Christianity in living the salvation from hell and living the Christian life. Go ahead, Roger.
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Brent, I gotta change a little bit on another direction just because this is has impressed me so much, this week, and I wonder if you've heard about it or not. Since we don't really have the communication we used to, I would have sent it to you already. You probably have heard something about it. Have you heard anything about this interview with Tucker Carlson about the Shroud of Tern?
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No. I think it might have stopped. Alright.
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Listen. Go wherever you get your Tucker Carlson rumble. Just put Tucker Carlson in the search. First column, there's got all his interviews. You need to watch this. I mean, it's it's it's it's stunning. Okay? What is it? Well, the Shroud of Turin.
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I know, but what do they say? Well,
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there's, the guy I I don't know if I can repeat all all that's in the two hours, but I'll give you a couple of samples that stuck with me. This guy is American professionally. He's probably middle aged. He's been, attached to and and studying along with the the the shroud for most of his career, I guess. Been very interested in it. And, the shroud is now I believe it's in Turin. It's in one of the, in Italy. It's under the control of a family called the Savoy family, And it's in one of these cathedrals over in, I say, turn, it might not be Turn, but one of the Florence or something. And, just recently, you know, they've all it's been around for a long time.
It's been in three fires, the the Shroud House. And and some of them, the edges of the of the, of of the material was burnt or people would handle it on the edges. And back in the fifteen hundreds, they had to repair it in France. It's been through three fires. And, but part of it is on the edges, and when they have done research on it previously, they told people that the edges had been mended and they actually found cotton in those edges where it was repaired and, the but the rest of the, the garment, the the the shroud is linen.
Okay? And so fairly recently, I'm not sure exactly the time frame, but for the first time in a long time, the Savoy family allowed five researchers from all over the globe to come in and and, examine the shroud for five days. And, they they were as as the guy was saying, they were in a bar there and wherever it is in in in Italy. Go, wow. This is great. We get a free trip to to Italy to come see this fraud. You know? And, all of them within fifteen minutes of being in the presence of the shroud totally changed their tune. One of the things that really stuck with me, Brent, is that, first of all, the image on there is not painted.
It's not caused by anything that they could do and replicate today, but he gave a formula, a electric formula for the amount of power that it would take to create this image. And what they conclusion they've come to is that the image was formed when Christ was resurrected. K? And, the the some of the things that are in there are just startling. I mean, if you got anybody that's wavering on their faith, you put them in front of this. K?
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Here's what Roger.
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Okay. Yeah. Yes, Larry.
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God. I can't even get out. Yes, Larry. Did you wanna give another example? And then I'll wait, and I'd like to respond.
[00:39:54] Unknown:
Okay. I was just gonna say that, in in, you know, in the, gospels, it's all validated in all the gospels, according to this fellow, very scholarly. And, remember when they had Christ carry the cross? Well, they didn't evidently in those days, they didn't carry the upright part. They would have them carry the cross section part on their shoulders. It was around a 100, maybe a little 100 plus pounds. And remember when he stumbled in the gospels? They have they have found on his tip of his nose, I believe the palm of his hands and his knees is embedded in the image, is dirt from that fall.
And they analyzed it, and the only place in the world that that dirt is found is in Jerusalem area, and that there's pollen embedded in there, that the only place in the world it blooms is in Jerusalem in the spring. And they're just he just goes over what where he was flogged. He shows you on the on the, garment, the material, and all of that. It's just something that people should watch. I mean, it's just stunning information. A lot of it's new because for the first time, they let these five scientists in for five days. They couldn't didn't let them really mess with it, you know, to to they could I don't know what the extents were. Okay?
But, they said that it's not painted. They're they don't know how the image was formed, and they cannot replicate it today. But it's about two hours long, man, and it's worth watching. Okay? Alright, Larry. What's your what's your comment?
[00:41:48] Unknown:
Okay. If I could have the floor for, like, a minute or two. Alright. The Shroud of Turin is a single piece, emphasis on a single piece of linen cloth, approximately 14 feet three inches in length and three feet seven inches in width. It is woven in a distinctive three to one herringbone pattern. However, it's worth noting that a narrow strip, roughly three inches wide, is sewn into the main body of the shroud along one side. There's debate about whether this strip is part of the original fabric or was added later possibly during repairs after a fire in 1532.
Some scholars propose that the presence of this sewn strip and the irregularities in the weave suggest it might have been cut and then reattached possibly to remove damaged sections. Now remember I read emphasis on, single piece? Here's what the testimony of the scriptures say and the testimony of the disciples, John chapter 20. The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taketh away from the sepulchre, and she runneth and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, they have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him. Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre. So they ran both together, and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre.
And he stooping down and looking in, saw the linen clothes, that's plural, clothes lying, yet went he not in. Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulcher, and seeth the linen clothes lie, and the napkin that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself. Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulcher, and he saw and believed, for as yet they knew not the scripture that he must rise again from the dead. Now in the King James version of the Bible, John chapter 27 describes the napkin or face cloth that was placed on Jesus's head during burial as being folded and set apart from the other burial clothes after the resurrection.
This detail is highlighted to show a deliberate action suggesting the resurrection was not a hurried event or a case of grave robbery according to some Bible commentaries. There's a, here's a more detailed explanation, and so we have the setting, John chapter 20 verses one through 10, which I just read. So Mary Magdalene, she discovers the empty tomb. She finds the burial clothes, but not Jesus's body. The napkin's location specifically mentions that the napkin was placed over Jesus's face, was not merely discarded like other clothes. Instead, it was wrapped together in a place by itself. Now here's the significance. This detail is often interpreted as a sign of order and intentionality.
It suggests that Jesus's departure from the tomb was not a chaotic event, but a deliberate one, and that the resurrection was not the result of grave robbery. Contrast with burial practices, in typical Jewish burial practices, the napkin would have been discarded along with the other burial clothes. The fact that it was folded and placed separately implies a purposeful action. Some believe this detail holds deeper symbolic meaning, while others see it as a straightforward observation of the physical state of the tomb after the resurrection. My conclusion, the Shroud of Turin is an unreliable hoax. It is a one piece burial cloth while the testimony of the disciples describes Jesus's burial clothes consisting of two pieces.
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Mhmm.
[00:45:53] Unknown:
That's all about that and what the day what's the date on it? Do you know?
[00:46:00] Unknown:
Well, I I was just putting this together through my own research.
[00:46:05] Unknown:
Okay. So it wasn't an article. It's a piece. Well, you know, you'll go watch the thing, come to your own conclusions. That's all I'd tell you. It was stunning to me. There's some incredible facts that they have discovered. It has been, and I don't know if I'm sure it was probably before or after this guy wrote whatever, Larry just read to us. But they because they didn't used to let it get researched, you know? And when they did, they told the guy not to not to do the corner because that had been repaired and damned if that isn't where they went to the corner. Okay? And you can tell evidently on a distinct difference in the dirt, the quality of the cloth, like the edge is dirtier. Just a second, please.
And, but you watch it and come to your own conclusions. I was stunned, and, I don't think after what I saw, I've got much veracity about it being a hoax. I don't believe it's a hoax. Yes. Who was that trying to Roger there?
[00:47:04] Unknown:
It's Samuel. Okay. Yeah. The, the face cloth is called a sudarium, and the sudarium that is out there that they're looking at as a relic and the reason they used it is in in Jewish law. If there was a violent death, the blood was to be collected and and buried with the body. They knew that when they would take Jesus down from the cross, then they push up on him to get him off the cross that the lungs would probably come through his, the fluid and his lung and stuff would come through the nostrils and be a mess. And so they wrap this cloth around his head to pull him down.
And that actually is the most important thing about these two relics together. They match. They're both AB positive. Yes. They both have the same pattern, blood pattern on them. There's a way I watched the Tucker piece, Roger. It's okay. And and and Jeremiah Johnson is a good expert, but there's another one done by a gentleman by the name of Doug Powell. And Doug spends a three hour interview with another guy, and the other guy knows better questions as than Tucker. And they go through a way more detailed of course, they take three hours too. So he he gotta be fair to Johnson. He got in what he could in an hour and a half.
But, there's just with those two together, I mean, some mathematicians have done the odds of some of this stuff, and it's in the billions to one. I see. In some cases really well, whatever.
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It's a really interesting reexamination of the Shroud of Turin with somebody that's been affiliated with it for many years. And some of the latest scientific version and things that have come out of for the first time, it's been examined by five leading scientists from around the world who all went in and after fifteen minutes said,
[00:49:16] Unknown:
my opinion's totally changed. Rick, was that you? Well, that that's that's their team in 1978 actually had 33 scientists. And, of course, the only thing that they in all of the their their work Right. Basically, was was was an agreement that it's not a man made thing. Right. Yet they took that that one old sample, which was obviously repaired. They knew what time it was repaired, and it comes in on the date it was repaired. Uh-huh. They had originally agreed to take seven samples throughout the shroud, but the archbishop that was in control of that was sort of like, what part of my body do I want to cut off here? Is it my little finger? Is it my tool?
[00:50:03] Unknown:
If you take a sample from the linen, when you're Sam going through the evaluation, the sample is destroyed. That's the problem. K? That's why they took samples from the edges where it had been repaired. And what did they find?
[00:50:18] Unknown:
Cotton. K? Not linen. The repair date. Cotton. What they found Roger was the repair date.
[00:50:25] Unknown:
Okay. So what they what publicized.
[00:50:27] Unknown:
Alright. Alright. Who else was trying to say something on a minute ago? Is it you, Rick?
[00:50:33] Unknown:
Yeah. Just a little factoid. AB positive is a universal
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receiver. Right. But it's pretty it's very rare blood type. I can tell you that. AB negative is probably the rarest of all blood types. They didn't give an RH factor on that. Right. But anyway, Brent, go go watch it. I think you'll The mine factor is positive.
[00:50:56] Unknown:
Pardon me now? That's positive. Positive a r a b positive is positive RH factor.
[00:51:03] Unknown:
Yes. And I said, I think the negative is probably one of the rarest in the world because I'm a negative blood type guy. Brent.
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Yeah.
[00:51:13] Unknown:
Just watch that. I think you'll find it. Well, I think you'll find your time well spent. Put it that way. Oh, it'll be fun. Many decades ago,
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I went to a place in Nevada that was a ghost town. It's not a ghost town now. It's it's, kind of a lively place, but at that time, it was a ghost town, and the name of it was Virginia City. Oh, yeah. Right south, not well, it's up the hill from Truckee Park. Mark Twain was? Right. Right. Well, I I went there, and there was there were, two two businesses open in that town. One of them was the oldest oldest continually running tavern in the state of Nevada. The name of it is the bucket of blood. That was open. And the other other place that was open, all the other shops along Main Street were shut down. The other one was on the other side of the street, and it was called, the silver lady. And it's a big old, it's a bar and had a a a image of a lady, a great big tall thing about 20 foot tall made out of silver dollars.
And from there, you could enter the the Comstock Load Mine and, go down in it. They did have that there, but there wasn't much else there. So I went up the hill. It's, of course, in, mountainous, kinda hilly. It's a hit well, mountains really to me where the Comstock Load is, and I've been driving around the old streets. They're about three or four streets, the main street, and then a couple off the side. There might have been a church down the hill that was open, I think, a Methodist church. But I went up a hill up the hill, the next block off the main street, and that was on the edge of town, and there was a great big Opry Hall up there. I could tell it was an Opry Hall because the way it was built. You know, back before they had movies and TV and all that, they had opera houses in the little towns. They'd invite people to come in, make lectures, and and do plays and all that kind of stuff. So I was trying to look in the windows. It was a big building by all by itself.
Pickup truck come along. Got stopped. Uh-oh. Brent, hold on. All of them.
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Could somebody please hit their mute? Your your background conversation's coming in. Yeah. Thank you. Go ahead, Brent.
[00:53:38] Unknown:
Pickup truck stopped. The fella got out. Yeah. Oh, not too old. Maybe about 30, and he he sauntered over and said, you wanna see inside that building? I said, well, how are you gonna get me in? He said, well, I'm the I'm in, chief of the fire department here. They did have a fire a volunteer fire department men that lived around there in case anything caught on fire. Sure. He said, oh, I got the key to the hasp on that lock. They just had a hasp lock on the door. And he said, let's go in. I'll show you show you the inside. He said it's really rather amazing. The building looked like it was falling down on the outside. She said the lady lady outside of town here owns it. Her family's had it since the beginning.
Well, he opened her up, and we went inside, and I was my jaw hit the hit the floor. I was stunned at what I saw. I saw a beautiful what was a beautiful ornate? Opry house. I walked up on the stage, and the stage was built at an angle, you know, lower in the front, little higher in the back so the audience could see better, the actors. Uh-huh. Had a a velvet curtain. It was about four inches thick. Wow. That's expensive. Not kidding. And it had the most beautiful images embroidered on it. I remember it was purple. And then at the end of the back, it had a what was a bar, and, of course, it held a lot of people. But here's the point I'm getting to. All along all over the walls was linen.
Linen was tacked all over the walls because linen is white and it's pretty and it looks fresh, but the linen was had rotted from the bottom up about halfway up the wall. Oh. Well, linen is, of course, a biodegradable material. It's made from a plant. And linen,
[00:55:34] Unknown:
especially from flax, I believe.
[00:55:38] Unknown:
Well, yeah. We can you we can look it up, but it it linen decomposes rapidly
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Correct.
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Especially in a place like France where there is moisture in the air. I was in Nevada where it is the Alakai Desert, and those mountains didn't have any vegetation on them. It was dry, and that stuff still rotted. That place had been closed up probably well, that about a 100 little over a 100 years. Uh-huh. Well, they cover something like that in this interview.
[00:56:12] Unknown:
Well, I'm sure it did. Linen gives off a, can can I say an out gas? There's an out gas of a gas that they know of. And, it it the the shroud has none of that in it, allow allowing them to at least date it back to around when it should be dated. So Uh-huh. Go ahead. But he said the only enemy of linen, there's two, oxygen and light. Uh-huh. Yeah. It can rot. Uh-huh. Yes. And the shroud, they keep it in this cathedral, and he named a word of a a a room where they keep these type of objects, and it's all enclosed in, I guess, glass or plastic now.
And, it's in it's in a they've got the the air in there is is some kind of gas that's, you know, opposite oxygen. So they'll take it out and let you look at it evidently.
[00:57:13] Unknown:
Oh, that's the first observation. And linen decomposes more rapidly than most other things. Uh-huh. Piece of linen can decompose in the in the Midwest for in a couple weeks, and that's from what I read about. But second second, and Larry made this point, it talks about the cloth or the fabric that was in the the grave, and it was a a grave that was donated by a wealthy man, But, well, it was like a mausoleum is what it was. Uh-huh. What around, it was in the rock. And the the cloth that was on him, according to the record we have, the gospel records, and he quoted, I believe, Luke chapter 22.
But the word that's used there, he said it's, clothes, plural. Well, it is clothes, plural, but it's more plural than that. The word means strips or, yeah, strips of linen. Strips, plural, of linen. That's the clear literal meaning of the word that, Luke records there. Mhmm. Well, that being true, of course, that wouldn't go along with the shroud. Another word is not biblical. It just simply does not square with the record that we have. Mhmm. Then the third thing is, why would anybody care about it? Now it's it's rather odd. It is true that all over Europe, over the over the centuries, there have been all sorts of relics.
You know, Hitler himself was, fascinated with Christian relics, and he was in search, among other things, the ark, that was really true, the ark of the covenant. He was had his boys out looking for that. And, also, the spear, the Roman soldier used to pierce the side of Jesus Christ to make sure he was dead. Mhmm. That didn't kill him. He was already dead. But, he did thrust a spear into his side. Normally, men would break the legs of those on the weak. Net to or, a fastened gibbeted Right. We say. Break their legs so they would die quicker, but, they didn't have to because he was already dead. Right. He goes over all this stuff you're talking about right now in, in the interview. But, but, the relics of all those things have been a fascination, and the Roman church, not to mention the Greek Orthodox church, has built their their organization on the fascination of relics.
They did not. Those churches are not built upon the scriptures, upon the word of God. They're built upon relics. Mhmm. Of course, once you do that, the the fake and the hoaxes proliferates. At one time, it was counted in Europe alone. There were over 50 index finger bones in different places of cathedrals, different cathedrals that each one of them claimed that that was the index finger, the bones of the index finger of John the Baptizer that he used to point to Jesus Christ when he said, behold, the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world. Of course, I remember reading about the the priest in France someplace that got up in the more on a Sunday and said he had a feather that came from the wing of an angel that had come to visit him that morning.
I went to church one time with a friend here around home, and I we got in the building. There was gold color, colored flakes all over the all over the seats of the pews. And when the preacher got up to preach, he said that God had blessed blessed us this morning by dusting the pews with gold dust. And I said to the lady that went to church there, I'm visiting with her, and I said, you don't really believe that, do you? Because they all acted like they believed it and were hallelujah and praise God and all that. And I said, you don't really believe that, do you? And she finally confided in me and said, no. But it's just a lot of fun to think it could be true, and that's, I guess, why I do it. I don't know why other people do it. But people want relics of dead things like that. This is morbid in my studied opinion to be fascinated over bones. And, there was a fella in Scotland, and when he died, he had a fella no. Let's see. No. He asked a fella named Douglas to take his heart, put it in a cut it out of his body, put it in a in a lead sealed box, and carry it to Jerusalem, which he did.
Why? That's a waste of money, a waste of time, and it's it's it's a culture of death to do those kind of things. Jesus Christ is not in a grave. He's not nailed to a crucifix. He's alive, and he's bodily alive and resurrected in the body, and he sits at the right hand of the father from whence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead as the old creed says. That's biblical. But those kind of things where you see those kind of things, relics, This is my observation just, reading history and observing. Where you see those kind of things, people will be distracted from the true evidence of Jesus Christ, the accurate evidence, the reliable evidence of Jesus Christ to the degree that they will be fascinated with relics.
Oh, that's my study conclusion for what it's worth. Anybody wants to listen. Maybe I'm wrong. Don't think of him or I wouldn't say it, but I don't believe I don't believe God would have us pay any attention at all to relics when we have, as Peter says, the a real a source of evidence more reliable than the audible voice of God coming out of heaven, he said, which I heard I heard, but we have a more reliable word in the what we call the Bible, The expressed will of God and explaining. And where he wants to, he explains what he does. He doesn't have to, but he does. So he is an arbiter. And remember, an arbiter is not somebody who doesn't ever explain what is the reasons for what he does. An arbiter is one who has no obligation to.
And Mhmm. We're I've talked to jurors, for example, that have explained why they came to the verdict they come to. Others have told me I don't wanna talk about it. It. That's because they have no obligation. Well, that's what we have in the Bible. And I don't know, I don't see anywhere, anywhere in the Bible where relics are are, authorized. That's what I know about it for what it's worth, Roger.
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Okay. Well, I just found it very interesting. It was very convincing to me. Of course, I'm just a little old country boy from the Florida Panhandle. But, it was pretty, impressive to me, and I would think you would want to watch it and glean what you can out of it.
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And,
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I found it fascinating. So wherever,
[01:04:58] Unknown:
wherever and whenever, we've been talking about it this week on the show, and under a number of folks have, watched it. Yes, sir. Oh, I was just gonna say, I will rock I will watch it because you asked me to, and I'm sure I will find it of of interest because, it's something that's very popular, and then maybe I'll be able to talk about it more intelligently.
[01:05:19] Unknown:
Mhmm. Well, he brings out, you know, where they attach your wrist to the to the cross. He brings out, an example of the nails. Yep. Because they were scarce, you know, iron metal material was scar scarce, and they would reuse those things. And he also brings out and hands to tucker us, example of the sword that was used to pierce his side. But there's just some fascinating stuff in there to me. So, anyway, Roger. Yeah. Well, there's somebody Larry. Yes, sir?
[01:05:57] Unknown:
Yeah. Brent was talking about how the, Shroud of Turin is a relic, and I just like to add that there's a that I did watch that video, most of it. I still gotta finish it up, but I forget what this gentleman's name was that was being interviewed by Tucker Carlson by Sam Sam. Sam
[01:06:21] Unknown:
what was that? Sam Samuel knew. He mentioned it. Samuel, would you remember the guy's name? He may not be in a position to answer. Go ahead, Drew. Oh, guys, Narliston, he said that the Shroud of Turin
[01:06:37] Unknown:
is both an artifact and a relic, and this is just FYI. An artifact is a general term for any object made or modified by humans, while a relic is a specific type of artifact that has religious or spiritual significance often associated with a holy person or events. Now get this. In essence, all relics are artifacts, but not all artifacts are relics.
[01:07:08] Unknown:
Hold it. Hold it. Samuel, is that you talking in the background? I asked you a question.
[01:07:14] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm sorry.
[01:07:16] Unknown:
That's okay. Who what was the guy's name? Roger? I didn't hear. What was the guy whose name was being interviewed?
[01:07:24] Unknown:
Jeremiah Johnson.
[01:07:27] Unknown:
Okay. Alright. So there you go, Larry. Jeremiah Johnson. Thank you. Sergeant Sturbius. Same, but go ahead, Larry.
[01:07:39] Unknown:
Did I I think I read it all. Did you, did I get cut off? Yeah. Well, kinda. Samuel was answering. Jeremiah Johnson was the guy's name that was being interviewed. Oh, okay. Well, all all I'm saying is an artifact is a general term, describing an object made or modified by humans, and a relic has certain spiritual or religious significance. So all relics are artifacts, but not all art but not all artifacts are relics. Well, that's very important
[01:08:09] Unknown:
define definitions difference there. So did anybody else have any comments on on on this Shroud Of Turin thing, or we can go off in another direction? If you got a question for Brent, now might be a time while they're formulating that. Brent, at the top of the hour, just hold on a second if you would. Why don't you give your, disclaimer now on your website and all your stuff, and then anybody with questions we'll address after that. Okay? Brent, are you there? Yeah. Okay. Did you you didn't ask me a question, did you, Roger? Yeah. I see what you wanna talk about. This minute. It's right at the top of the hour. Give us the website and all your stuff. Oh, okay. Talk about commonlawyer.com.
[01:08:54] Unknown:
Yeah. Commonlawyer.com. Go to commonlawyer.com. Www.commonlawyer.com. You can find their, materials that you can take advantage of, and you can join us for our law classes. We're teaching a law class now in comparative law. You can go to the website and sign up, and, also, you can get the book. We're using this as a textbook, 958 pages by yours truly called excellence of the common law, comparing and contrasting our law of the land, our common law tradition, with the law of the city, the civil law tradition that rules almost every country in the world in one of its, three or four forms. The law of the land, our common law versus the law of the city called the civil law. You can also get the winterized translation of the Bible in digital form, translating from the original tongues, the Greek, the New Testament, the Koine Greek, and the Hebrew and some Aramaic from the older testament, toward a raw translation, I call it.
Over 35,000 footnotes explaining why I translate the way I do in a lot of places and over 200 appendices, tracing major themes through the warp and the woof of the text of the context of the Bible. You can get that in a hard copy. I believe it's, five volumes because the footnotes, five volumes, and they're oh, they're seven, eight hundred pages apiece, six, seven hundred, eight hundred pages, five volumes. And then you can get it in digital as well, plus other books, commentary, clause by clause, blow by blow on, constitution of The United States and the declaration of '76 and also outlines, an outline.
The cost our constitution and our declaration are well outlined. They're organized to the IT, and they ought to be presented that way. Why they aren't? I don't know. But they are. And I it's just nice people think to have one, I suppose, and not worry about what's in it like they do the Bible. But we wanna promote those, the laws of nature, unwritten, the nature of creation, and the laws of nature of God written in the Bible. Alright. Go to the website, take the course on Magna Carta, clause by clause, and blow by blow. Lots of courses. Contracts, trust law, how to draft, asset protection trust, have a course on that.
Take advantage of those. Brent Allen Winters, commonlawyer.com.
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I'm gonna step in front of anybody right there because I got a question that came up during the week I didn't know about. Can people be put in a trust?
[01:11:33] Unknown:
You can put your dog in a trust. Well, but you don't really put them in the trust. You entrust them. That's what you do. A trust is not an entity. You can put something in a corporation because a corporation is, for, in contemplation of the courts is a person that can hold property. A trust is not a person. It's not a corporation. The state doesn't have to sign off on it. It's, privately done, and, it's not a corporate entity of any kind. So you don't put something in a trust. You entrust something. That's how that works. But but, yeah, there are people that do set up trust. You can put because your dog is property. So but here's another interesting twist on it. Any right you have is property. It's yours. Of course. As Jefferson said, we have property in our rights and the rights in our property. Mhmm. It's two words that are two forms of the same thing. And a lot of rights we have are not tangible.
If I have a right to benefits, that's not tangible. If I have a right to, stock securities, those are what we call soft asset assets in an intangible. If I have a right to see my children, well that's not tangible, but it's real. If I have a right to keep and bear a firearm, that's that right itself is not tangible, but it's real. And those kinds of rights that are not tangible can be entrusted in a trust. Yes, they can. A contract right can be entrusted in a trust because a contract right is property. You see? Right. So, yeah, some of those things are true. But, here's the question. Do I have a right? Let me ask you this. Do I ask this question, hypothetically, does my wife have a right in my body?
And the answer is yes, she does. Not only according to the Bible, according to our common law tradition, according to the laws of our states. Right. Is that a right that she can sell? No. No. It's not sellable. It's not transferable. It's not negotiable, but it is a right.
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There's no question about that. Sure she can sure exercise it if you step out of line.
[01:13:48] Unknown:
Open up a can of whoop. Well but I think Paul was gonna say something, wasn't he? He was. I jumped in front of him like a ringtone. There you go, Paul, please.
[01:13:58] Unknown:
Let's see if I can remember what I wanted to ask. Let's see. Oh, no. I just wanted to make a comment. I am, I'm assembling the email list, for, sharing information on how to, enroll in the Radio Ranch Trust Group. And it looks like it's gonna be about 50 people doing that. So Woah. Just give you an idea.
[01:14:26] Unknown:
Gotcha, man. You'll have to you'll have to bring out your fancy clothes and stuff.
[01:14:32] Unknown:
Yes. I'm encouraged because the trust is only found only recognized in common law countries like ours, and it is integral integral to our ability in our country to produce and to manage wealth. And the rest of the world doesn't have it. It won't recognize it. But for us, it's been viable. And the the evil empire and the useful idiots thereof have been at war to try to get rid of it for centuries. Henry the eighth even pushed through legislation through parliament to declare all holders of beneficial interest of trust to be outright owners of the property of which they are benefit they hold beneficial interest.
Now the beneficial interest of property is a tangible right that a trust establishes, but it's not something that's or an an intangible rather. It's not a tangible right, but it's real. Mhmm. And that's what a trust does. It defines or it divides, entrusted property into two titles, a legal title, which is ownership of the property itself, that's in the trustee, and beneficial title, which is Uh-huh. Right to the benefits of the property, and that's in the beneficiary.
[01:15:47] Unknown:
Yeah. Or the property itself if if they switch his hands.
[01:15:53] Unknown:
Well, yeah. The property itself is the is the ownership, the legal title, and the trustee.
[01:16:01] Unknown:
Well, y'all gonna have a good class, and I'm glad to see Paul put that together and everyone and Todd for you or anyone else is new. Anyone listeners to the program can, can join in this. Paul, do you wanna give out your email address? Is anybody listening that might want to participate can get ahold of you? Yeah. I can do that. All you have to do is send an email
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to me. That's [email protected], and just put the word trust in the subject line. And my, and I move all of those to a trust folder, and then that's where I'm generating the list. Every email in there is going on the the blast email that'll be sent out. Okay. And I might have to split it up into, like, three pieces because I actually have more than 75 emails in there, but there are some duplicates
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that I have noticed. So We're getting around to it. Don't get antsy. When do you anticipate that this might, kick off?
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I'm hoping that the first, the first group that we do, will be Wednesday next week. I'm thinking Wednesday, 08:00 eastern, something like that. Mhmm. Cool.
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Alright. For all the listeners, new, old, whatever, so you know about that. If you'd like to participate, send Paul a email. We can do that. Now were there other folks that are lined up there with questions? I missed all But one more thing. Roger. Oh, ho. Hey, Heather.
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Paul is not finished. I'm not done yet. I'm not ready to pass the baton quite yet. Now, the, the trust course as part of the Radio Ranch Trust Group is discounted to $30 a head. Okay? But that doesn't mean that you have to wait for the Wednesday evening organized trust group. You can I mean, you're fully enrolled to access that trust through commonlawyer.com? You can you can, study ahead. You can miss a week and then catch up. You can do if you're not available on Wednesdays, you can do it yourself and go through it. You've got every right and every opportunity to catch all of those episodes whether or not you want to take part in the Wednesday night meeting. Okay?
So, go ahead and sign up and and just work at your own pace if you wish. It's up to you. Hey,
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service we are offering, I guess. Now who was talking at the bit to get in there? I was in the Before we move on, Mark Mark Mark of this There was there was two or three guys trying for the last ten minutes. We'll address them first, please. Yes, sir?
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Yes. It's Christian. Hey. Hey, Christian. Would you I didn't understand that. P g what would you spell that? What is it? Meaner or what? Beaner. Beaner. Beaner.
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It's papa.
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The Mexican like they call the Mexicans down there in Texas, beaners. Go ahead. Yeah. No. It's spelled different. It's papa Oh, sorry.
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[email protected].
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There you go, Christian. Okay. Thank you so much. You're welcome. Phonetically spelled out for you, buddy. Who else is I think somebody else are trying to get in, then we're gonna go to Murr. Who else?
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Was that just Christian? I I just wanted to to say that, you know, the the Bible is the ultimate evidence of the resurrection of Jesus Christ, and the shroud evidences all of the things that happened in the Bible. Sure. And that's how they're coming to the conclusions about it that they're coming to. They're coming through the Bible and the witnesses there as to its potential authenticity.
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Veracity.
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And not the other way around it. Yes. They are. It's worth watching. You know, whatever your opinion is, worth watching. There's some real solid facts presented there that some of them have never been presented before. Okay. Samuel's done. Who else was wanting to get in? And if not, we're gonna go to Murr. Hold on, Linda. Hold on. Murr's ahead of you. Who No. Let me go. Any other guys Yeah. Linda go. To get in? Okay. Murr, what do you got? And we're gonna go to Linda.
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Let Linda go.
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Alright, Linda. We're gonna put you in the front. What you got, girl?
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Thank you, Murr. Yes. I wanted Brent to, if he could, expound upon the difference between a 508 c one a Yeah. Yeah. Church versus a 501 C three church. And I also wanted him to answer the question between an ecclesiastical trust versus, the other kinds of trust that exist, high yield.
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Was that question directed toward me, Roger? Yes, sir. No. It was towards you. Oh, okay. Yeah. That's good. Well, first, I wanna make a point about evidence. The great the most reliable and the controlling evidence of the resurrecting resurrection of Jesus Christ, not to mention his life, death, burial, ascension, and all other things about him is the Bible. That means that there's the Bible needs nothing to support it. That does mean also that the Bible would support any other evidence that's offered. It's not the other way around. There is no evidence that supports the Bible. If you go to court, you find the same thing. It is the it is the evidence of words that supports all other evidence.
Other evidence does not support the evidence of words. The same thing is true that's our common law rules of evidence. Same thing is true with the Bible. The Bible is the evidence. It controls everything else. Everything stands or falls on whether or not the Bible says it's true. For example, pointed out a while ago that clearly whatever was on Jesus Christ was strips, separate strips, multiple plurality of strips of linen, not not a single shroud. That seems clear. Matter of fact, it is clear. That's exactly what the word means that the that, Luke uses when he records that. And the evidence the reliability of the evidence of the Bible or just to put it to the common law test is so overwhelming according to our evidence rules that, it's incontrovertible and irrefutable.
So that's the number one thing. Just wanted to point out the laws of evidence, however you wanna apply that. That's not my business to apply it for you. I wouldn't know how to do that anyway. I just know what the rules are. But number two, an ecclesiastical trust versus another kind of trust. Well, the word trust is thrown around and misused quite a bit. And to say ecclesiastical trust, I'm not sure what she meant by that. There are two kinds of, in America in America, throughout the the hinterland, the flyover America, churches were formed. Property was set aside usually by donation. Some fellow had a little extra property. It wasn't good for any production, but be a good building site. I went to church, place where a man who had a lot of oil money and a lot of land, the Stratton family, who I knew very well. They're all gone now. I don't know. The name's gone, but the family descendants are still around.
And they donated a corner land there, and that land then, according to the laws of our state and the laws of every state that I've dealt with, say that church property like that where there's a little church building is, entrusted land. All land in The United States, like all other property, all land has an owner, and it's up to the courts if we can't figure out who it is to do a quiet title or something and figure out who the owner is. Well, the laws of Texas and Illinois, for example, a couple of states I'm aware of, if you if there's a church set in a country church of which there are thousands across America, The law just says, well, that church the land and that building is entrusted property.
And so when I was growing up, we go into church, and every year we'd vote on trustees to see who the two trustees were that would hold legal title to that land. Somebody had to hold it and it was up to us. We wanted to designate who it was. Well, we could do that, and we did that every year. And but even if we didn't do that, it was still in trusted land, and, a trust would be a trustee would be found someplace to hold title if need be. But we were, we were, active in in making sure that happened. But that's a a trust, and some people would call that, well, that's an ecclesiastic trust. The word ecclesiastic is, from the New Testament, the Greek New Testament, ekklesia, and it means to be subpoenaed.
And what it means and the word translated church means the subpoenaed group. That's what that means. God has subpoenaed his people. And by the way, subpoenas, even in our and if you don't like the way I pronounce that word, that's okay. I like it that way. That's what they say at home, zapini. But if the, a zapini is only to an individual, it's never to a group. Sounds like an Italian sounds like an Italian dish. Go ahead. Yeah. The card. Yeah.
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In the receipt. Okay.
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What's that? Hold on. There's conversations going on in the background. Could y'all please mute or take care of that? It's interrupting.
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Ekklesia is the word, we say, ecclesiastic. That just means what we'd say in English, the church. And, but really what that is the is the subpoena God's subpoena group. And if he subpoenaed you, that means he's gonna get you. You don't ignore a subpoena from from even a judge. They'll send the sheriff after you. Well, God's even more intense than that. He never fails to get who he wants. Right. So if he subpoenas you subpoenas you, you'll feel it and you'll do something about it. Well, the ecclesiastic that's an ecclesiastic, in other words, a church use of a trust. But there is another thing that is Roman from the Roman civil law, the law of the city called the corporation sole, s o l e, s o l e. That means one. There are two kinds of corporations in the world. There's corporations aggregate.
Aggregate, that means more than one shareholder, and then there's a corporation's soul. That means there's one shareholder, just one. Uh-huh. Roman church, traditionally has organized itself under corporation souls, and so the archbishop or the bishop someplace would be the sole shareholder that owns all the interest in the corporation that holds all the church property from the cathedral to the to the prayer books, to the baptismal, to the graveyard, everything. And this corporation, Soul, of course, recognized in some states. In Washington, for example, the state of Washington, there's a 1915 statute that is now supposedly defunct unless you're grandfathered in under it.
In, other states, the courts just recognize the corporation's soul if there's a a church dispute and there's a the Roman church bishop or cardinal or something is involved. It has also said that the Mormon church is organized at some levels as a corporation soul. That's an ecclesiastic corporation, though. That's not a trust. That's different. A trust is not an entity. Not the courts do not view the trust as a person. No. No. The, the a corporation is a viewed as a person that owns property. A trust is not a person that owns property. The trustee owns the property by holding legal title. The beneficiary holds beneficial title, but whoever holds legal title owns the property.
That's the difference. One of the fun that is the major fundamental difference between a trust and a corporation. A trustee owns the property and from that flows all the benefits that we can cite as the the uses of a trust. So the Ecclesiastic Trust, the only one I ever heard of, but we didn't call it that, was just where the trustees own the church property. But there is something called a corporation soul that, the Roman church, the, Mormon church, it reportedly I've read. All I know what I read about that. And also the Hutterites.
The Hutterites from Western Washington, Eastern Idaho, Idaho, Washington up into Canada are the Hutterites, a Germanic group that look like Amish, but they ain't. They look like it. They dress like them. They like to farm. They make lots of money, but they're not Amish. They're I've never heard of them. Yeah. Oh, no. A fascinating group, but they're different. And, they, they are communist as pure communist as anyone in the world. Oh my lord. And their communism is confined to their extended families. In other words, the patriarch owns everything.
He holds, interest in all the property of the farming operation of an extended family of parents, children, grandchildren, grandparent. Whoever is the oldest is the patriarch and then, grandchildren and going out to up to 70 to 150 people and they're communist because, everybody shares alike. But you can read about the Hutterites. I think it's h u e t e r or h e u t e r. I I forget. But their corporation's sold. That's all I know about that in answer to that question.
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Well, you know, Brent, I've commented many times on my years down here in South America that in every town here has a square circle. And on one of at least one of the sides is usually the administrative building for the for the area, for the city, or whatever it is. And then there's a Catholic church there. But any other places in the area where there is just really primo property with views and tops of hills and that kind of stuff, there's there's a Catholic church on every one of them. K? Uh-huh. I mean, it's stunning. So you're telling me that some bishop or somebody over there in in in Rome has complete ownership of all of that all over the world. Is that what I gathered from that in this corporation sole type of operation?
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Title will not be it's not in a person, you see. It's in a corporation called a corporation soul with a single shareholder, and the single shareholder is the cardinal or the bishop or the even the pope of Rome. It is also said, by the way, that the crown of England is a corporation sold and all the wealth of the crown of England and largest landholder in the world probably Yeah. Has owned the person that owns it is the corporation's soul, not the not the person who holds the crown. Uh-huh. And so when the person that holds the crown dies, when a corporation is sold, the person who owns all the interest in the property that the corporation holds, when he dies, then his successor just steps into his place as Seamless. That interest. Yeah. Just seamless transition.
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Yes. But not owner of the property, you see. The Right. Right. Controller. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. I don't want any, you know, Rockefeller. I don't wanna own anything. I wanna control everything.
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Uh-huh.
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A mechanism here. Yes. Larry, was that you trying to say something?
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If I if I Yeah. I am. Well, I appreciate it.
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I'll corrected. Hold on, Larry. Linda's not finished and Mer's behind her. Go ahead, Linda.
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Right. Thank you, sir. I asked the first question was the difference between a 508C1 a versus a 501C3. That was my first question, and you went to the second question, which I Okay. State. Thank you. Yes. Did you know about these 508508
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churches? Versus
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Yeah. The Roger, were you gonna answer that? Do you want me to No. I don't know the answer to it. Oh, well, a five five zero one c three is a provision of the IRS code that Lyndon Johnson, when he was senator in Texas, rammed through Congress with with the, what was the 1954
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revision of the infernal revenue code. Wow. Right there around Brown versus Board of Education. Right at the same time frame. Go ahead. But the reason he did that
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was because the First Baptist Church in Dallas, Texas, by the eighties, it was called the largest Protestant church in America. I think it had about 20,000 members. Southern Baptist Church, pastor was Wally Criswell, great Bible expositor. But he and the church put up a young fellow to run for US Senate against Lyndon Johnson. And the Christian churches, they were sick of Johnson, his left wing communist wacko point of view along with FDR, and they wanted to get rid of him. And so they ran this young fellow against him, and they had money behind him. And you know how powerful Christianity has always been in Texas. And the church has got behind him, and if he hadn't cheated, if if, as the Democrats are want to do in a big way, he wouldn't have won the election. He said this will never happen to me again, and I'm gonna make it illegal for churches to to, speak out on political issues and support political candidates.
And, so he put that in. But trouble is that it couldn't he couldn't it wasn't legally possible for him to do that or for the five zero one c three to do that. But they promoted the five zero one c three like this and got away with it. They said this. The IRS, the powers that be said, hey. If you're if you want to have this tax exemption as a church, you ought to get a five zero one c three. That way, the people that donate can get a tax exemption for their donations. Yep. Well, before that happened, people who donated to a church already had a tax exemption for their donations. So it was a ruse. It's like saying, well, we're gonna put amendment in the constitution so women can vote.
That was stupid. It was silly. Women were already had the vote in a lot of states and we're and it was coming on fast and they were getting it in others. We didn't need a constitutional amendment to do that. But that increases federal power, you see. So that's what Johnson now they say to the churches, oh, do this. So what do the churches do? Well, back in the day when we were fighting the communist, we were the good guys, and they were the bad guys. And so when the our government said anything, we believed them and supported it. That's what happened in that case. Like, when they came out with the the firearms control act of '19 whatever, 1968, people jumped on board and said, yeah. You know, it sounded patriotic.
It was just the opposite, of course. Sure is. And they named it that, named legislation that sounds patriotic like the Patriot Act, which was just the opposite of patriotism. And the same thing happened with the the five zero one c three legislation. I, for one, I don't pay attention to it. I don't I I counsel churches, never do that because if you incorporate a church under five zero one c three, then the government has a brass ring and the preacher knows and everybody else in the church too. Yep. And they will control your speech, what you can and cannot say.
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What is it? Technically, they can't do speak about anything against public policy from the pulpit, including political stuff, abortion, guns,
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whatever. Right? And that's the problem. Sodomy, all that stuff. Yeah. I couldn't say and I know church that have been sued because they've been foolish enough to incorporate themselves thinking they were getting a tax exemption benefit for their parishioners when the truth is they already had one. It's always been that way in America. It's tax deductible to donate to a church. Then the question comes, what is a church? And the IRS has always had some badges of what a church is so that that can be evaluated. Well, this went on for a long time, and
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now people are getting fed up with it. Trump has said, we're doing a just add can I interrupt you and say Sure? That now under that little program that they before, they didn't know who all the Christians were, but through this, they get reported through the church to the IRS as Oh, yeah.
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Yeah. So the Mormon church, for example, I have Mormons telling me this. Mormons are required to be in good standing to give 10% of their income. Right. Well, all the IRS has to do is get the Mormon church to give them the list of of of who is tied and how much, multiply it by 10. You got the annual income, and you can check that against their their, IRS forms. Yep. And and I've had church, church Mormon church members tell me that that has happened to them. I just know what I've heard or what it's worth.
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Yeah. I know that the the old 10% church, and they they're so dedicated in their tithe that the IRS can just go in there and extrapolate it and see what they made.
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Yes. And I say I've had people tell me. I had clients tell me that. I'm trying to help them. Mhmm. And so, yeah, don't do that. Don't report to a to a 5013, especially. See, a 501 c, if you're at churches incorporated, the the incorporation the corporation has no fifth amendment right. It's a person only for per a corporation is a person only for purposes of taking legal title to property, holding legal title to property, which means owning property. But it is not a person, the courts will not give to it fifth member protection. In other words, when the IRS says to a corporation LLC, LLP, anything the government signs off on, a trust is not in that category.
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Shouldn't be, but they try to make it. That's true. Now can you compare that to the five zero eight? What are the differences? People find this other one maybe lacks some requirements or something.
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Five zero eight? Oh, yeah. The five zero eight, and I've never used one, but what I understand is that's, a corporation that's that is, wrapped around, if you want to, a charitable organization. Oh. To make a charitable corporation, doesn't have to be a church, you see. A charity, in America is or the IRS code defines it as something that, can help where government can't help. Oh. A charity is something that does something that government cannot do that needs to be done in our country. Okay. A church, for example. A church, for example,
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does that. The government cannot do what a church does. So that's kind of a a bubble wrap entity in in essence? Double wrap. Well, yeah, a church is. If you make a corporate these five o eights. You're wrapping it around something else.
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You're wrapping it around a what you want a charitable organization. Correct. Correct. Charity is defined as health, education, and welfare. Health, education, and welfare. Oh. Pretty broad. Wow. But we had a bicycle factory back in our neck of the woods. A family had been there a long time, made bicycles, and they established a charitable corporation, for to teach children bicycle safety, which, of course, enhanced what they were doing. But at the same time, it was for safety, you see. Now you could establish a a charity that promoted, health.
You could establish a charity that promoted education, an educational charity. Well, that's really what the bicycle factory were doing. They were educating people. But here's the thing, Roger. To do the to wrap a corporation around anything is to give the government control of it. Of course. Yeah. So how about this for you? How about if we took our educational
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forum here and went and applied for five zero one five zero eight to teach people how to get out of this out of the five zero eight? Well, you can do that.
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The smartest thing you do and have a
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Pardon? Go ahead. Alright. Hold on. Paul was first. Todd's there. Mer's still waiting, and Larry's still waiting. K. That's our pecking order. If I may Yeah. Yes, ma'am. You asked the original question.
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Yes. I am a five zero eight c one a church in Connecticut, and I am free from oversight in Connecticut. You can look it up if you doubt me. Freedom from state, local and federal regulatory oversight in matters of education and religious practice. Cool. The subsection five zero eight(one)a specifically applies to churches and certain other religious organizations. No application requirement. These organizations are generally not required to file a formal application. They are automatically exempt. So, I was just wondering, I know you have a church on Sundays, and I'm delighted to hear, Brent, that you're not a five zero one(three).
But, I just thought this land that my husband and I oversee is God's land. It's been God's land way before we got here, and we cannot take it with us. So we have, protected and set up this, concept to protect this land in perpetuity. It cannot be sold
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off and be made into condo dwellings or that kind of thing. And I know I'm glad I'm glad you brought that up because it gives me an opportunity and another example of how devious the government is. No. The government the government will call you a five zero eight or a five zero one, whatever they wanna do, and they will they'll relegate you to that status, but that's not what you are. That's them trying to take control. And then if you concede to that, then, yeah, you've lost your fifth amendment rights. Never concede. Never say, I'm a five zero one eight or section eight, five zero one c section eight, five zero one c three. Never say that. But that's like saying, I am a citizen of The United States. Once you concede, they're gonna grab a hold of that and use it against you. Yeah. Interesting. Why you should do that. I'm I would say people don't do that. No. No. The the government has even said, and I've heard IRS agents say this, well, look. You may not be a five zero one c three, but we're putting you in that category.
And I say, well, you can do anything you want, but I'm not complying to that, and I'm not conceding to it. That's not what this is. Alright. Yeah. Go ahead. Okay. Would that get you, Linda?
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Yes. Yes. I just wanted the listeners to realize there is a significant difference. And if the inside of you is not recognizing that the king of this earth is our heavenly father and that we are the queen. We're we're taking care of it for him and for future generations. And so you're not registered with the IRS. It's not, they don't know about you unless, you know, you made a grand announcement. This is true. But there are still it's like you could be a national, but if you don't have the polite wherewithal to notify the Secretary of the State your change of status.
There's no clue. There's no evidence that you're a national. Yeah. You say, oh, yeah. I'm a national, but that was it an affidavit. So with our declaration, it's on paper who we are, just like the Bible is our evidence of who we are, and it's the word. So if you cannot stand on who you are, then you're absolutely correct, Brent. It's, chase in the wind. You you can't even stand for what you are as an ambassador to the big kingdom of the heavenly father, and I yield. Thank you. Thank you, Linda. Yeah. Let me make another point, Roger. It just gives me an opportunity
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to say things that I think are worthwhile to Christian folk. Jesus Christ, through his word, go to the book of Ephesians. We are his people, his subpoenaed witness group are his body. What is a body? Latin, that's corpus, corporation. Right. It would be utterly blasphemous and silly, not to mention silly, to to ask the state to incorporate a church or to concede to such a thing. Because what you're saying is we're gonna Jesus Christ has already incorporated his subpoenaed witness group into a body. That's the theme of the book of Ephesians, not to mention other places in the Bible. It'd be analogous to this. We have, for example, what we call, concealed carry states, and then we have states like Missouri that say we're, constitutional carry states.
In other words, we don't need the government to tell us we can carry a side on it. Right. Right. That's stupid to even talk about a license to care. So you just say we're doing away with that. Well, the same thing, the same principle applies to a church. You You got a second amendment constitutional carry state. You got first amendment churches. That means they don't rely on anything. No idea of a corporation from the state. No conceding to a corporation. No. We just rely on the first amendment. The government shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or impeding the exercise thereof, hindering the exercise thereof.
That's it. We don't depend on anything else. We don't want the state's incorporation. And if you get it or concede to it, they'll put a a brass ring in your nose, and you won't be able to do anything beyond what they allow you to do and say anything beyond what beyond what they allow you to say. And, it could cost you a lot of money. Yeah. That's why you don't wanna do it. Give you a lot of aggravation and sleepless nights.
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Murr, you're next, babe.
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Oh, thank you. Yeah. I I have to say now after hearing this, this 508C1A, I remember Gary in Montana bringing up that Chuck Baldwin has that. He's and I just remember Gary saying, look that up. See what that is. And and they were treated kind of, roughly there at his church, you know, scolding them to not put their coat on the back of the chair and and all this stuff. And, also, there's reports from 2005 at the border. There was money to be had, and Chuck Baldwin was in on it. He made sure he was in on it. So I'm just saying these are people. But when I went to come in, I would have been here sooner. But, you know, it's like, on my computer, it's like the second screen, and I get the web version. I didn't think I was able to use the app. So I accidentally got the app and couldn't get out of it. And so this is like a new toy to me. This is fun.
I can see so many more things that I could You sound better. You sound closer and stronger. Oh, excellent. Excellent. So, anyway, what I was calling about was the man's name in the interview with Cucker is Jeremiah doctor. Jeremiah j Johnston. There's a t in there. It's not Johnston. It's Johnston. And, be sure I noticed the crown of Florence. It's no crown. It's a helmet. The Romans had this crucifixion. Yeah. This the Romans had this crucifixion torment down to a science. And, apparently, Christ, he may have been blinded in his right eye. You can see that shows up on the shroud too that that was fractured. His eye was fractured. Apparently, you know, when they're swinging the the, you know, scourge from behind him and it come around and hit him in the eye, it looks like. So but he was just so tortured and mutilated, and that all shows up. And, apparently, that surface, I heard someone trying to discount it, you know, in their materialistic way because they're a nonbeliever.
That, oh, it's like a photograph. It's like silver, and it was in the mid, you know, medieval, and that's really da Vinci. It's not Christ. And but this process, they can't duplicate. It's apparently him actually rising through the cloth.
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They don't know what the process is. They don't know how the image was created, and it cannot be replicated today with all of our modern technology.
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This is God. Right. And there's some other things that are interesting that Yep. Like like in the Bible, in the King James version, and I'm sure all these, diluted versions that come after. But, there were six times when Sabbath was changed arbitrarily to first day of the week, and this came in slowly so that people worship the sun on Sunday instead of Sabbath. And if you go through the mathematical references, you can see seven, the seventh day, and Christ and God and Jesus, or the Holy Spirit, you know, all work out to be sevens. And also, one more thing, we know we have the circadian rhythm day and night. We also have a circa septon rhythm, which is not just any seven days, but since creation, the Sabbath, the seventh day. And many animals observe this, including the busy beaver.
They go up in their lodge at sunset Friday and don't come out till Sabbath. So I yield. Really? Okay. Well,
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make makes you wanna go make a dam. Larry, you are next.
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Yeah. Can you hear me? Yes, sir. Yeah. So this this article is from NPR, and it's from July 8. It says in a break with decades of tradition, the Internal Revenue Service says it will it will allow houses of worship to endorse candidates for political office without losing their tax exempt status. The surprise announcement came in a court document filed on Monday. Since 1954, a provision in the tax code called the Johnson Amendment says that churches and other nonprofit organizations lose their tax exempt status if they participate in or intervene in any political campaign on behalf of for the opposition to, any candidate for political harmonies. So that's all been lifted.
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Cool. Yeah. I well, I bet you know, remember Obama when he was running, he was at that church. I don't remember if the pastor was of a different, variety, but or not, but they let him talk all kind of politics with never any repercussions. Another reason they like the IRS is because they can selectively apply it to whoever they want.
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Yeah. Jeremiah Wright.
[01:51:56] Unknown:
Yeah. There you go. Thank you.
[01:51:58] Unknown:
They're like some good faggots in the church now.
[01:52:02] Unknown:
So what you Brent, you think there's any chance all these people are gonna get indicted? The Obama on down that they're holding grand juries for me right now?
[01:52:12] Unknown:
I'll be, pleasantly surprised, but I'll be surprised.
[01:52:16] Unknown:
Okay. Good deal. A lot of other peoples feel the same way from the way. Kyle Sarafin, are you have you crossed paths with him yet? No. Kyle Sarafin, he's a real high profile whistleblower from the FBI that stepped out and has his own podcast and everything. Very straight up guy. He's been actually exposing some of the bad guys inside that's given Bongino and and and, the other guy so much problems. He's been kinda in enforcing FBI policy from the outside through his social media. Kinda interesting. But, anyway, that's another whole nest of problem. Yes. Smurm.
[01:52:59] Unknown:
Someone has their hand up been up, for quite some time. I don't know if it's Who is that? Paul Paul or Ceske, it says. Paul or Paul. Area code 815.
[01:53:11] Unknown:
Okay. Paul, can you, who's this guy?
[01:53:16] Unknown:
Paul Ceske. It says it hands up. I don't know if he means to have it up, but I just thought I'd say. Alright. Well, that's an
[01:53:23] Unknown:
we'll find out. Paul's off doing something. He,
[01:53:29] Unknown:
anyway, we'll No. I'm here. It's Mary.
[01:53:32] Unknown:
It's Mary. Okay. Hi, Mary. Yeah. How are you? This is one of our new males. My husband's name is Paul. Okay. Well, you're one of our new guys from the odds family there. Yep. So, you got something for Brent or myself, Mary?
[01:53:46] Unknown:
Yeah. I have a question for Brent, because I've been studying the trust law. And my question is, I don't own a Bible. I don't know the significance of the Bible. First question is, which one should I get? Should I get an older one? Go to the, you know, to I don't know. To an antique bookstore and try to find an older one just to make sure the text to look up the words and everything to correlate it together to learn trust because that's what I'm learning. I have been. And and the significance of it because I'm extremely confused because I know absolutely nothing about the Bible at all.
[01:54:22] Unknown:
I'm Get a King James version and pray about it.
[01:54:27] Unknown:
Are you I don't pray. No. No. No. Are you a her. Are you a King Jammer?
[01:54:34] Unknown:
I love that Bible. Myrrh. I love that Bible.
[01:54:38] Unknown:
Myrrh, are you king Jammer?
[01:54:40] Unknown:
Yeah. Yes. Have you seen the map?
[01:54:43] Unknown:
Can you hear me? You're in myrrh. I'm Yes. I can hear you. Right. I can't hear you.
[01:54:47] Unknown:
Okay. Go ahead, myrrh. Let me ask you a bit. You're clipping a bit. Go ahead. Myrrh. Are you King James?
[01:54:56] Unknown:
Myr? Pretty much. Because all the others have been diluted. Well, now I'm gonna say even you weren't. Wait. Wait. I just wanna know if you're King James only. That's all. Now I'm gonna respond. Thank you, Myr. I'm gonna respond to the to the question. If you're gonna read the Bible, the important thing is don't worry about studying words right now unless you just want every once in a while to look one up. The the person that gets the flow of the text knows more about the Bible than 99% of the preachers that that study it. They they get so deep into it, they can they may miss the forest for the trees. That's a fact.
And if you're approaching the English Bible, the only way to learn it and learn what's in it is just to read it. Don't look for any special study method. Don't look for any words. Here's what I suggest. I've done this before here and I suggest you do it too. I'll give you two options, two options or a couple options that are easy to find. Don't worry about going buy an old Bible. Get either get a copy of the King James Bible or a copy of the New American Standard Bible and read the book of first John in one setting every morning for thirty days.
Do that for thirty days. It's important you read first John first. Why? Because John, like Peter, but John is clear, clearer than anybody in the Bible. There is there are no gray areas with John. When he speaks, it's black or white, up or down, in or out. He does not speculate. He doesn't go to subjects that are speculative. He speaks only of those things which he knows black and white to which he has been a personal witness. And he says that at the beginning of first John. What I've what we have seen, what we have heard, what are the our hands have handled concerning the word of life. And then he it's an affidavit, and he shoots straight.
You read that thirty days. It's five chapters, not all that long. You can read it pretty quickly. If you do it in the morning, you'll get more out of it. Just get all set, get you a cup of coffee if you drink coffee or whatever you do to relax. You're awake. Your mind is fresh, and read it. And be disciplined. Do it every day for thirty days, and you'll find then thereafter no matter what you read in the Bible, you'll measure it according to those black and white statements in in the gospel of John or the first John. And after you get done with the first epistle of John, go to the gospel of John. He wrote that book too. It's 21 chapters divided into seven parts and read seven chapters in one setting for thirty days, the next seven chapters for thirty days, and the next chap seven chapters for thirty days. But do that first. If you don't do that first, you won't have a road map. You won't have the big principles in your head whereby to judge and put in whereby to hang what you learn, a structure to hang what you learn when you go to the rest of the Bible. That's the way God intended it. That's why John and John is, the foreman of that 12 man jury that Jesus Christ impaneled to witness the evidence of his identity.
He's the foreman and that's why it's important to read that book first. Again, get a copy of the King James Bible. Cambridge University Press is, known for printing pretty good copies. You can buy used one. You can buy whatever you do, don't be afraid to write all over it. You can always get another one in America. Use your pen. Use your highlighter. Whatever you wanna do, interact with it. The more you interact with what you're doing, making notes, the more you'll remember it, the more you'll know it. That the Bible don't think that those pages are some kind of holy thing that you can't write on and use and spill coffee on. No. Don't be afraid of that. Use it. That's what that Bible is for. When you're done with it and you get it all piled up, if you think you've you've, written so much on it, you can't see what you're writing in it or what you're reading anymore, get you another one. That's what I do. King James or New American Standard. And the difference between those two, the King James is without question the most beautiful and memorable translation you can find, but the most accurate translation you can find is the new American standard, new. Not the American standard in nineteen o one, new American standard Bible, 1995 edition.
Don't get the 02/20. It's gender neutral. They went woke on us there, but back in '95, they had not. That's my suggestion for what it's worth. I am not a King James only. I I realize the value of the King James, but I keep in mind that the King James Bible is purely a government project, purely a government project. It was there to promote the power of government, to promote the promote King James the first, the divine right of kings. But it is beautiful and memorable, and that was his order. When it comes to accuracy versus eloquence, he told his 54 translators, choose eloquence.
So knowing those limitations, and there's always limitations, that's what I would advise. Thank you for the question.
[02:00:06] Unknown:
Okay, Mary. That thank you. And For the answer. I hope this information much for the answer. Have a comment. Yes. Go well. Okay. Go go ahead. We'll just clip out when we when Paul hits the button. Go ahead.
[02:00:21] Unknown:
Yeah. Brent, I just wanted to to state that the bucket of blood isn't the oldest, continuous saloon or bar in Nevada. It's actually in Genoa. It was 1853. The bucket of blood was built after the fire.
[02:00:37] Unknown:
After which fire?
[02:00:41] Unknown:
The big one that burned down Virginia City, 1874.
[02:00:46] Unknown:
Well, I'm I only know what I read, and if you're right, I'll concede. But, I'm It was a
[02:00:52] Unknown:
it was a way station originally for people to get, you know, into California. Uh-huh. Well, thank you, Brian. It's almost done. It's almost done. Yeah. Genoa. So I've been there. It's a cute little place.
[02:01:07] Unknown:
Yeah. I've been there too. I've never noticed that, but thank you.
[02:01:12] Unknown:
Alright. Well, for the listeners, we'll see you later. If Paul hadn't cut us off, we'll be back tomorrow. Brent will be over at his place. See you soon, one place or the other. Well, real quick before you hang up, Roger. No. No. No. No. I'm not I'm not hanging up. I'm not hanging up. Oh, okay. Ending the broadcast.
[02:01:28] Unknown:
Let me let me just share something Oh. Before we go. Let let me share something. We have to do this periodically because of new people. When the music starts, when the whistler stops or starts, that's, that's time for questions and comments to end so we can get out of the show, because Eurofolk radio drops off at a precise time. And I don't want people to be in the middle of a sentence when that happens. It's clumsy, and it just drops people and leaves them in the lurch. Also, if you are dialed in on on a telephone, even if you're muted, when you get a text message or you get another call and put the conference on hold and then come back to it, for one reason or another, the conference unmutes you.
So if you get a text message or if you get another call and you put the conference on hold and come back to it, press 6 and just make sure you're muted because we've had a lot of interruptions and a lot of interference from noise, ambient noise, and and people's lines that were unmuted that never needed to be. So Yeah. Those microphones are so sensitive these days. Yeah. Well and and there is also added processing that boosts your ambient noise 12 dB just so we can pull up the quiet ones and bring down the loud ones. So Let's not have that. It's even worse than micro So,
[02:02:59] Unknown:
if that's Robbie, do you have Yep. Please do. It just, takes away from the program when it happens. Not fussing at you. I know it's like Paul said, when those events happened, you don't know it and boom. Was that Robbie who was trying to say something?
[02:03:18] Unknown:
Who's our female? That was one of the new ones.
[02:03:21] Unknown:
Okay. Who what? Who would who was the female that was talking right there that we kinda interrupted?
[02:03:27] Unknown:
That wanted to get in there before we hung up. Be Mary. There you go. Okay, Mary. But go ahead. There we go. The other person can go first.
[02:03:33] Unknown:
All I found well, it's first if he wants to.
[02:03:38] Unknown:
Let's go with you. We go with ladies first around here. Let's finish up with what we're going on. Okay.
[02:03:45] Unknown:
Is it what is the correlation between natural law and common law? Because they seem similar
[02:03:51] Unknown:
when you study both. Good question. That's a good question, Brent.
[02:03:55] Unknown:
Well, well, natural law, there are two definitions, the Roman church definition, which means the Roman definition, which is the Babylonian definition, and then the biblical definition. The Babylonian Roman definition is that natural law or the laws of logic. Now that's making it simple. I mean, there may be other things to it and are, but fundamentally, logic is king. Logic. The natural law in the biblical tradition is that fact is king. Fact. In the Roman tradition, which is the Babylonian tradition, logic goes before fact. In the Bible, fact goes before logic.
There are a lot of things that are factual that we the nature in nature, we know the fact of the matter. We know the fact of gravity. But there isn't anybody ever that has ever explained what makes gravity works. A lot of theories, but but nobody knows for sure. But we don't have to be able to explain it using logic. We know it's real. Yeah. That's the fact of the matter. Yeah. That's why it's important that fact come first. Logic is a tool that comes second. If logic comes, first, then there is no foundation for logic and logic becomes a whore a whore. You can make it do anything.
That's why you where logic is stressed, fact has a way of receding from consideration. I'm quoting professor Merriman from Bolt Hall, the law school years ago, a comparative lawyer from Berkeley, the law school at Berkeley at Bolt Hall. Oh, by the way, Bolt Hall is no longer called Bolt Hall. That used to be the law school. Bolt was a wealthy man that had donated money for for the university and and the law school and even in the mining business. And, recently, they the woke people said within the last couple of years, we're not gonna we're not gonna put up with that. He was a conservative. We gotta get rid of the name Bolt, and they did. That's the kind of stupidity that's that's going on. But Yep. A a miner, a a mining engineer, a miner like him, he didn't care where gold comes from. He didn't care where oil comes from. He didn't care where silver come from. And by the way, nobody really knows for sure anyway, and nobody's ever proven, where it comes from. But what he wants to know is the fact of the matter and how do I make it useful and get money out of it.
That's the fact of the matter. That's the mindset that God wants us to have. And Merriman made this point, I'll say it again, where logic is stressed, fact has a way of receding from consideration. Why did he say that? Because our common law tradition is not built on logic, it's built on fact. When we go to a jury trial, we don't ask the jury to think it through for us and tell us what their logic are. As a matter of fact, they owe us no explanation at all. They are in this realm down here on earth in our country. They are lawgiver in individual instances, see, And they owe us no explanation. Logic isn't what it's about. We're not interested in you being a lawyer when you're on the jury. We're interested in you being a man or a woman, a man, supposed to be on the jury, but we're interested in you at adding your guts and your instinct to what your decision is, not logic.
If we wanted logic, we'd ask the experts to tell us what the verdict is. We don't do that in America. We just grab 12 men standing around. We don't ask their backgrounds, and we try to get if you're any brains at all in a trial in a trial of a fact, you try to get all the experts off the jury, the school teachers, the bankers, the engineers, because they'll try to logically figure it out, and we don't want that. We want you to tell us what the fact are first. Tell us the facts first. That's what we want, and we're gonna present evidence of the facts, and you tell us what the facts are. It's not a lawsuit. It's a fact suit. Facts govern everything in our common law tradition. In the law of the city tradition, the Roman tradition, they call it natural law. Logic, they say governs everything.
That's not only stupid, it's silly. It doesn't work. It's impossible. As Blackstone said in the first volume of his commentaries that the Roman system, speaking of the canon civil laws of the church of Rome and the Roman Empire and all the countries of Europe and all the countries of South America and later on all the communist countries, they put logic first. They've got it upside down. That's why it doesn't work. That's why there is no freedom ultimately in those places. That's why they have what they call torture and their inquisitions.
They don't have trials. They're not seeking fact. You just gotta agree with the government and that's it. No freedom of speech. No no, fundamental duty to keep and carry a firearm. No, freedom to right to trial by jury, freedom of association, all those things. No. None of that. Because logic, natural law to them is logic. Now I know that that's oversimplified, but if you don't if you don't oversimplify the statement of it like that, people miss it. That's why Thomas Aquinas' writings are the official doctrine of the Roman church. Why? He was the master logician. Quite a guy. Said a lot of true things, said a lot of false things because logic cannot be depended upon to get you to the truth. That's not natural law. I I was walking on a major Midwest University campus of an old land grant agricultural school and, by myself, and I caught up to an oriental fellow, looked older than me.
And I, of course, engaged him in conversation, found out he was a philosophy professor there at the school. Oh, I don't remember everything was said, but I remember his conclusions. Well, he he was kind enough to talk to me. He said, you know, a lot of people I said, why did you study philosophy? Why do you have a PhD? It's all about logic. See? Philosophy is all about logic, not fact. I said, why did you do that? He said, well, I thought I would find the answers. I thought that philosophy would give me the answers to life. He said, and most of my colleagues, I've discovered when we were young, we went and studied philosophy because we believe things needed to be logical and we believe we can find the answers. I said, well, how'd it work out for you? He was friendly and accepting of me, so I felt comfortable. I said, that'll work out for you. He said, it's not true.
Logic will not get you to the truth by itself. You can't do it. You gotta have fact. He said, I had colleagues that I went through my PhD pH two colleagues colleagues who went through his PhD program with that both blew their brains out after they got through the PhD program because they discovered the logic would not get them to the truth, and they didn't think that any other option was available. And by the way, that's the logical thing to do. Blow your brains out. If you really believe there's no other option available there, that's that's being consistent with what you believe.
But there is something available beyond that. What is it? Fact. You read the gospel records, we'll find you'll find as one Quaker who was a professor at the Harvard Seminary said, I can remember his name except when I tell this story. I don't remember now, but he didn't believe the Bible. And he said, but he did admit, he said the gospel records are ablaze ablaze of miracles. What's a miracle? That's the law giver, God himself, the creator temporarily suspending the laws of nature, the fact of the matter for his purposes.
And he said, the gospel records are filled with miracles. Who can explain them logically? Nobody. It's just a fact. We have the evidence. The evidence is there. We see it. It has all the badges of reliability and more overwhelming overwhelming embarrassment of reliability. There it is. I've heard people say stuff on the witness stand I didn't believe. I said that can't be true, and I found out it was. Yeah. Fact and evidence is what proves fact is not some things, it's everything. So natural law in the pagan worldly law of the city, religion, law and government is fundamentally logic.
In the law of the land, natural law is the way things are in God's creation and they ain't gonna change. Fact is the way things are in God's creation and they ain't gonna change and you can observe the sun goes up ever it comes up every morning. Well, from our perspective it comes up. Does it come up? Is this are we going around the sun? Some people, some scientists say no. Say, well, the sun's going around us. All we know is from our perspective, the sun comes up. That's a fact. It looks like it comes up when we see it, so we say whatever's going on there, it happens that way, and darkness turns to light. We know that. Can we really explain it much more than that? No. Because we can't explain gravity, which would be the explanation of orbits if that's what's going on, but we can't do that.
So to recap and summarize, natural law and the evil empires of this world is logic. Natural law in the Bible and God God from God's perspective is fact. And evidence is the foundation of knowing fact, proven fact. And when you go through the Bible, it is amazing. And I just give you my testimony, what I see, what I hear, what I know from my experiences. Personally, I've been translating the Bible from the original tongues for over four decades, working pretty hard at it. If there's anything that shouts from every page, every angle, every word, every phrase, it is evidence, evidence, evidence. That's what the Bible is all about, and that's what the Bible is.
And all other evidences in the world of truth, if they don't conform to that book, they're a lie. Period. The laws of nature are what we observe and the way in God's creation, the way things are, and they aren't gonna change. And the laws of nature is God. That's the Bible. Those two phrases we find in our declaration of '76. They're copied from John Locke. John Locke was the greatest fan in the world of the Scottish enlightenment. The Scottish enlightenment said or grew out of the Scottish reformation. Scottish reformation established the Bible as absolute ultimate court of last resort for all factual matters.
No errors of fact in the testimony of the Bible. Even the manuscripts where they vary. We're talking about the new American standard versus the King James, the majority text versus the minor minor. There there's there's nothing there that changes any doctrine in any of those. None of them changes any fundamental doctrine, foundational doctrine of Christianity. So we have inerrancy of the Bible according to the Scottish Reformation. And then later on the Scottish Enlightenment said yes, but the Bible speaks also of God revealing himself in his creation. We know of his wisdom, his power, his glory. That's revelation from God too.
And so the Scottish enlightenment spawned in America The great mechanical and electronic inventions we have done here, that was through our religious affections. Understanding that God made the world. The laws are consistent. They're factual. We don't have to explain them. Sometimes we can explain some of them. Sometimes we can't. Sometimes that helps us invent things. I like to say the steam engine was the beginning was what some of the beginning the the laws of electricity, bo Faraday, a Scotsman, Boyle, the hydrology laws, beginning of that movement of the Scottish enlightenment, recognizing that God had created all things and according to specific laws that we observe with our eyes, it's not in writing.
And the end of that was the invention of the television in Scotland in '19 in the nineteen twenties. But all of that culture came to America because the Scottish enlightenment recognizing the laws of nature unwritten and the nature of of creation, lex non scripta, as Blackstone says, and the laws of nature's God written in the Bible, lex scripta, as Blackstone says. Those two phrases on our declaration of '76 tell us, reveal to us, and the Bible says this too. Psalm 19 references both of those in a very clever way and unpacks them what they mean. The laws of nature and the laws of nature is God. Romans one repeats it from Psalm 19. All men know of them glory and wisdom and power of the creator and his laws through creation.
That's a revelation of condemnation that only condemns men to hell though, because it tells you that there is this creator. He is all power for all wise, all knowing, and it condemns you to hell because it doesn't reveal to you until you accept the written revelation. The specific as as Blackstone calls it in his commentaries on the common law revealed religion. You accept that and then you begin to see the evidence of the written revelation. The laws of nature is God and you begin to learn about the Messiah of God in a way particular enough that you understand who he is through his law written. Old Testament and new. Well, it's all there. Old Testament and new, the Messiah of God. He happens in the old testament is Jesus Christ.
YeHoah. Jehovah means he happens. That's Jesus Christ of the old testament. The one of the members, the second member we say in the West and rightly say the second member of the triune God. The laws of nature and the laws of nature is God. So logic, again, logic is natural law in the Babylonian false religion law and government system, and fact is natural law in creation. The fact of creation and the laws of it is natural law. And our common law, by the way, is a significant slice of the laws of nature the the laws of nature. Our common law, the laws of nature's God, the Bible.
Those two volumes and no others, those two volumes and no more is what God wants us to give attention to and to know. It will make our lives tolerable, enjoyable. But to give our attention to anything else, anything else is a waste of a very short life, and our lives are very short. I appreciate the question. I hope I hit the nail with my head.
[02:18:39] Unknown:
Mary, with your preference, you'd never hold on if you would, please, that, you had not been into the Bible or ever even opened a cover on one. Well, the what I was gonna say is we've had people like that who come around here with your same background, and it's amazing this political and legal stuff will as you've heard so far, it always leads back to the bible. And any any one of the vectors I've ever really researched down. But I had a a I told this story. I had a friend here. He lived down on the coast of Ecuador. He's a retired pilot, and he was doing a building a subdivision or something down there. We crossed paths. His name was Dan Swain. He recently passed away of a heart attack, unfortunately.
But what Dan told me, and we had spent some he'd come up here with his wife quite often, and we'd spend time together. Just a wonderful guy from Tulsa. And, Dan said, Roger, I never opened the cover of a Bible my entire adult life until I hit your information. And then I've not only been reading the Bible and studying it, but I went back and taught and I'm teaching these lessons to my adult children who I never properly exposed this information to when they were young. So if that is going to be your future here, you won't be the first. And it's just a wonderful thing for me to be able to, from a totally different angle and approach, take these people and basically make this a ministry. I don't promote it as such, but that's really what it is.
So thank you, Mary.
[02:20:23] Unknown:
Now who was that Murr? Who was the gal trying to say something? That was me. I I just want to add a couple things here. Hutterites is just like it sounds, h u t t e r I t s. And, I met some of them in Montana some years ago, and I thought, what is this? Because they were like a dark plaid, dresses and, a dark background, but with white polka dot furchief on their heads headscarf. And this is their kinda uniform, but they're like kind of the Amish of the North, but they do use some some machinery. They, were kind of instrumental. You never hear about it up there in the truck the trucker thing. They're in Canada too. So they were up there and using their tractors to, you know, mess with the system that was trying to block the truckers.
So and I'm putting these things in both chat rooms, numeral2radioranch.chitinato.com. But, also, Malcolm Bowden, m a l c o l m b o w d e n. There's still a YouTube channel, and he's probably passed now, but the Earth has never been proven to be moving. So it's very fascinating, just like it says in the Bible. You know, the universe goes around us. There are these concentric spherical shells that contain the galaxies and the stars, and that's moving around us east to west. I mean, just think about it. If if the Earth was moving at this phenomenal rate of speed, why couldn't you just go up in a helicopter and hover until your destination arrives? You know? And and, of course, we get the flat earth stuff, which they mixed up so much stuff and dropped that off in 2014. But they are correct about it, the Earth being stationary. You know, of course, the Flat Earth thing, it doesn't work. You can't fly to Australia across a Flat Earth. David Weiss, who admitted to being paid says, oh, well, they have special paint on the planes, and they just doubled the speed. Yeah. Right. Yeah. There was one other thing. Okay. The logos.
Logic comes from logos, Brent, or I just love that term because the logos, the word. Right?
[02:22:28] Unknown:
Logos? Yeah. Like, he Michael Jones uses all the time. Oh, logos. It's an important word. Yeah. We talk about that. And, and and, of course, the things you're saying, you're just making the point that we can use all the logic we want. The fact of the fact is the we had from our perspective, the sun comes up, we know it, and we can try to explain it. We don't have to explain it. We can live by it and live very well knowing the time, the seasons, and the movements of the heavenly bodies. We can farm, we can plant in the spring, we can harvest in the fall, and God wants us to pay attention to that much. And those are farmers that have paid attention to that in great detail have been very productive men and and have lived, have been a benefit to all of us just as one example.
[02:23:15] Unknown:
Yep. Right. And the sun was stopped for Joshua. Right?
[02:23:18] Unknown:
It said that. Requested it? That's what the evidence said. And so
[02:23:23] Unknown:
now some of these Catholics, Robert Sondenas, who is very big on this, geocentricity, and it it and it's accurate. The more I study this, like, wow. No wonder they don't want anybody to know about this. You know, they made Einstein into a god in the thirties. He couldn't even work his own equations, which are gobbledygook according to Balvin. And, so they dismissed the ether. The ether is here, and it's very dense. And that's what causes the bulbs around the equator.
[02:23:50] Unknown:
Oh, by the way, just some
[02:23:53] Unknown:
things to find out. Myr?
[02:23:55] Unknown:
Where where have you been, Myr? But, Myr, you've been absent for a long time. Where have you been?
[02:24:01] Unknown:
Well, I I lurk. I lurk on the pod home and then try to stay out of trouble, but then I usually jump in and get in trouble anyway. When I when I mispronounce a word, she appears.
[02:24:13] Unknown:
Oh, I see.
[02:24:14] Unknown:
I get it. I didn't know that. Becoming all Johnston. Right? I wanted to get that name right. Johnston.
[02:24:20] Unknown:
Jeremiah Johnston, not Johnston. She's So, Murr, are you are you That's what we're speaking here. Are you at Liberty to tell us what state you live in?
[02:24:28] Unknown:
Sure. Wisconsin, the Driftless area where no no ice came through. Ice didn't pack down the earth here. Very, very nice. It's, you know, on the on the East Side Of The Mississippi. There's some hills on the, on the West Side too. And there's all these mounds and things and, that they pick things, and I'm sure they know what's under there with radar, whatever. But they've commercialized it on the West Side of the River Of The Mississippi, and they haven't here. And there's been many many things that they've tried to do in the seventies under Carter. They tried to have the Army Corps of Engineers come through and flood everything. There's this ancient river, Kickapoo Kickapoo River, which means goes this way and that way. Right?
Uh-huh. And, it's a great canoe ride. And but, yeah. So the the latest thing they had tried to do were these ugly stanchions for power lines, which loses power. And these things look satanic. You ever notice? You know? And, so that was their latest thing everyone had. Yeah. Well, stanchion, the big metal things that hold up the high tension lines. Okay. Gotcha. You've seen them. Yeah. And and it's bad on the cattle and and everything else that from the electricity. But, anyway, so all the yard sides were declined the line, and and that went through. So people stick together about a lot of these things. Also, back in the seventies, which repeated here recently under Jade Helm, helmet, whatever, they had, they were running, you know, fighter planes close to the ground and everything and scaring all the cattle and stuff again with the you know? It's so it's so nice and peaceful here. So in 2015 and in 2016, they they were they had empty c one thirties, and I had read an article.
They were supposed to be training to catch drones on their wings, and they were dipping down. I could see a rooster tail come over, and they barnstorm me here. I guess they saw the orange Volkswagen, which is, getting a new life over at a friend's place now. He he fell in love with it when he came through to his field. So and, yeah. He he re rebuild his father's 51. I think it's Ford truck. His father worked with the cemeteries and, you know, you have these great salt of the earth people around here that have been around for generations, and they all work together in the Amish. And, anyway, I like it here. How are you? Thank you. Thank you, Bert. Roger?
[02:26:59] Unknown:
Larry.
[02:27:02] Unknown:
Yeah. A couple of, questions for Brent. Oh. We have, we have, like, almost well, over 70 students signed up for the trust class, and I'd like to get just a few preliminaries out of the way. Can you just briefly emphasis on briefly, just go over that I think you mentioned in the past that all trusts are common law trust. There's no such thing as a statutory trust. If you could confirm that once again. The second thing is, can you briefly explain the difference between a revocable and irrevocable trust? And then lastly, there's gonna be a lot of students that, that take this class. And I think the reason being is they're trying to protect their assets from IRS confiscation.
So I was I remember you talking about there's this court case where the IRS was able to take someone's property out of a trust. And if you could just go over that briefly. Thank you.
[02:28:03] Unknown:
Well, I'm thinking back to restart. Oh, all trust trust or that's a common law doctrine. So if a legislature says, well, we're gonna pass legislation that says you can do this with a trust. Well, is that a statutory trust? Yes. There's still a common law trust because, only the courts in a common law country will recognize it. And its fundamentals are always the same. And if the legislature changes the fundamentals of a trust, it's not a trust anymore. The fundamentals are that it has to have three certainties of words. A trust requires three certainties of words.
Number one, either in writing or audibly. And if it's not in writing, it's not enforceable amount to anything. But, anyway, three certainties of words, certainty of the entrusted property, certainty enough that it'd be reasonably ascertainable by a court know what piece of property you're talking about, certainty of beneficiaries by name, so we know who your beneficiaries are specifically, and certainty of intent to settle a trust. Those three things. If you don't have those three things, it's not trust. And a trust by definition is a common law arrangement to persons and property. It's not a corporation. If it's revocable
[02:29:36] Unknown:
I think that's what you asked. What? It was one of them. Three questions. One of them was revocable, irrevocable.
[02:29:43] Unknown:
Revocable means the settler, the one that settles the trust and and declares the intent and names the beneficiaries and identifies the entrusted property. If it's revocable, then the settler can take it back anytime he wants, undo it, and do away with it. If it's irrevocable, the settler doesn't have that option. And the beneficiaries can take him to court and say, no. You can't do that if you have to. I mean, or they could just tell him, and maybe he would concede. It all comes down to what the court will enforce, but the courts have made it clear over the centuries that they will enforce it. But it says it's irrevocable, then the settler can't undo it. It's done till it, till it fulfills its purpose.
That's the difference. Now if a trust is if a trust is revocable, it won't protect your assets at all because the fellow who settled it and and trusted the property hasn't really changed his relationship to the property. He can take it back anytime he wants. It's as good as his anyway. But if it's irrevocable, now he's changed his relationship to the property quite a bit. In other words, he may he may he may have given it over to a trustee, and he no longer holds legal title to the property. But the trustee is under a duty to carry out the terms that the settler has put in the trust indenture.
That's the way it works. If it's irrevocable, then that's it's a done deal. That that gives some protection to your trust property. It all depends. You know, nothing you can do and without saying more, no trust you can settle, no corporation you can put up, nothing you can do will protect your property from somebody who has more power than you that wants to take it. Period. Nothing you can do will protect your property from somebody who has more power than you who wants to take it from you. What we depend upon in our common law country is that we are a nation of laws and not of men. Our courts, therefore, being separate and coequal branch of government, we we want them to to enforce the the law of trusts.
And if they do, that will protect our property. That's the way it works, and that's why it works fundamentally.
[02:32:05] Unknown:
And you can learn the whole ball of wax by signing up and attending
[02:32:09] Unknown:
these upcoming trust classes. Yeah. Here's the here's what we ought to say if if if if Paul is still here. Paul ought to say how people can sign up because he's the one that's in this deal together so it's more affordable. Well, he kinda did that earlier when spelling out his email address. Okay. Here's what we can I'm sorry, Roger. I had an idea. I wanna get a here's what we can do. Go to the if you wanna join up with Paul's, group to make it more doable for you, you can, go to commonlawyer.com, www.commonlawyer.com. Go to the contact page and email email and say, how do I get in touch with Paul? And The the lady is there that take care of that and try to get your message over to him or tell you how to get in touch with him. Yeah. Get you straightened out and on the straight and narrow.
[02:33:07] Unknown:
Okay, Brent. Well, listen. I know you're a busy guy. We appreciate you hanging around and answering questions, and we you you know, we love you and, just, can't wait for these times we get to spend together here on Fridays. Yeah, Roger. Same way with you. Go ahead. Yeah. Yes, Larry.
[02:33:26] Unknown:
Yeah. Thank you, Brent, for that explanation. So, Paul does have a way to get people, signed up for the trust class. He said to just send him an email and put on the subject line trust class, and then he'll and your name in the body, and then he'll put you in there. And then he's gonna send out another email for payment, and, that'll take care of all that. But, I was just wondering, you said, only a someone that has greater power can can, you know, seize the property of another. What's what was that IRS court case that you remember telling us about where they actually did that with a trust?
[02:34:09] Unknown:
Oh, they've done that with a lot of trust, but I've seen seen it where trust, where it depends upon and it depends upon legal counsel you have too. I've seen it where banks are trustees, and they'll go to the mat with the IRS, and their lawyers will go to the mat and say, no. We're the trustee here, and we we can't do that. That's not what the law says, and they get results that way more so than if a if a man who doesn't have a lawyer or he just, the, bureaucracies come blow in and steal the money. Well, that I've seen that happen too. So but if you do nothing, you get nothing. You get no protection at all. So do something. That's why. Should also say that if you remember in the nineties
[02:34:55] Unknown:
when trust became, quote, unquote, in vogue, and you had all these people traveling around the country trying to sell you one for 2 to $3,000 that really weren't experts like Brent is, and there could be holes in those. That was one of the big problems. Oh. And one of the real advantages of taking this trust class because you don't have to worry about somebody doing something for you don't understand and don't know where the loopholes are. You'll know that from the bottom up, and it's, depending on what kind of property you're gonna put in there. I think that'd be real important to most people.
[02:35:28] Unknown:
My baptism of fire in the world Roger.
[02:35:30] Unknown:
Hold on just a second.
[02:35:32] Unknown:
My baptism of fire in the world trust was defending people who trust promoters have sold documents to anywhere from 20 to $40,000 or more. And, all they got out of it was a federal indictment. That's right. Yep. Yep.
[02:35:48] Unknown:
So that's part of the problem too, Larry. Who was Hey Roger in there? Was that Michael?
[02:35:54] Unknown:
This is exgentile. No. Oh, ex. Hey, man. Ex gentile here. Can you hear me? I hear you loud. Hey. How's it going, guys? Well, we're going pretty good. Paling off. Brent, I thank you for your honesty about your your experience with the different Bibles. I just appreciate that. You know? My question is, is, is there such a thing as a deed of trust? Because I do believe I have one of those and I, I don't really know much about it and I'm wanting to find more out about it. But the reason why I know I have one is because I went and purchased four silencers, you know, about fifteen years ago.
And this my silencer guy, you know, he's established a deed of trust for me and put those in there. And how do I find out information about it? And and what is this exactly does that kinda mean? Have you guys ever heard of that? Are you shooting shooting hogs, or what are you shooting? You shooting hogs? I was, using it for no. I was deer hunting, you know, so they, you know, kinda keep it quiet and stuff like that. So that way, I don't ruin my spot. And and it's just I, you know, I like it for hearing protection. You know? It's I'll be honest, and it's perfectly legal.
[02:37:01] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. I get it. That's a good point. And with shooting hogs, you know, it's silent, so the hogs will run away if they hear a rifle go off and be have a Well, there ain't no there ain't no hogs in Missouri, or I'd take care of them. Well, I beg to know They may be up there pretty soon. It's just Yeah. I've been reading I've been reading on the Internet about hogs in Missouri. They might be right. Well, they might be. I don't know. I just know what to read, but they'll run the Islamic people out. That's the good side of it. Listen. So go to certain
[02:37:29] Unknown:
after the National Geographic landscape changes of what's to come, they'll probably be here. Yeah. I'm all for it for now. But, anyways, what about the what about the is the deed is that deed of trust that that that guy put my silencer in, is that the same kind of trust you guys are talking about? No. No. It's not. And if you go to the go to the Internet, just type in deed of trust and just read, the Wikipedia article about it, you'll be amazed how simple it is to understand.
[02:37:57] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:37:58] Unknown:
Need of trust. That's all I wanted to know. Thank you guys for your information. You guys have a great weekend. Shalom.
[02:38:03] Unknown:
To you. Thank you.
[02:38:05] Unknown:
Brent, my stomach is acting up. Yeah. We gotta go, Roger. Thank you all, though. We we appreciate you. It it makes us feel like you're interested in what we're doing here, and that that, that fires us up. And, we're here to educate and prepare you for the future. Next time, Roger, I hope I can go to Luke chapter 22 and talk about the difference. The things the way things are now is the way that they were when Jesus Christ came the first time by his own testimony and what we're to do about it. Well, we don't usually preplan shows, but that sounds like a good deal for next Friday. Well, okay. Yeah. Just a just a subject. We don't have to preplan what we're gonna be saying or Yeah. Yeah. Okay. A topic.
[02:38:45] Unknown:
Okay, Brent. Well, have a great week. And, for the folks that don't have a church home, on Brent's website, commonlawyer.com, you can link in to his, church service on Sunday, which is, always entertaining. And Francine, I trust Francine is doing well, and please send her our regards if you would. Okay. I will. Thank you, Roger. Alright. Okay. Ciao ciao, Brian. Okay. See you guys tomorrow. Have a great day. It's Friday. Ciao.
[02:39:33] Unknown:
Hey, y'all. Did Brent just say people who have a trust, the trust can be taken away from them by the government or somebody like that?
[02:39:52] Unknown:
Yes, ma'am. Sure can. The guy with the bigger gun or the more, they can do whatever they want. And they do. I mean, it's all around us. They take over whole countries.
[02:40:13] Unknown:
Yeah.
[02:40:21] Unknown:
They took over hours after the civil war, didn't they?
[02:40:27] Unknown:
They what? Didn't didn't understand your first word.
[02:40:31] Unknown:
They took over hours after the civil war, didn't they? If not before. Yep.
[02:40:49] Unknown:
Yeah. I believe it's a land I'm sitting on right now. Belonged to Japanese folks, but they got put away in some little internment camp, and and it got, and it got sold off. And my grandfather stumbled across it and had to have it, but he didn't kill nobody to get it or send anybody away. Hell, he didn't even know about it, what it had gone through, which Yeah. It's it's dystopic. Welcome to the Twilight Zone.
[02:41:32] Unknown:
Hey, Joan.
[02:41:34] Unknown:
Hey, Larry.
[02:41:36] Unknown:
Did this all answer your question? The Internal Revenue Service has spent $10,000,000 on weaponry and gear, including rifles and tactical shotguns since the start of the coronavirus pandemic. A new report says the findings from open the books come as the IRS is looking to hire special agents who will carry guns and make arrests with jobs available in all 50 states according to a posting on the agency's website. The years 2020 and 2021 were peak years at the IRS for purchasing weaponry and gear. Just since the pandemic started, the IRS has purchased 10,000,000 in weaponry and gear, says the report, from Open the Books, which describes itself as a nonprofit, nonpartisan government watchdog organization.
Now get this. The purchases are said to include 2,300,000.0 on ammunition, 1,200,000.0 on ballistic shields, 475,000 on Smith and Wesson rifles, 463,000 on Beretta 13 o one tactical shotguns, and 243,000 on body armor vests. So all that is needed, it appears, because if people do not file their tax returns, they can get in trouble.
[02:42:55] Unknown:
They need to cool it. Did y'all I liked what Brent said. Did y'all hear him call him the infernal revenue service? Infernal. That I I thought was good. Thanks, Larry. Hey. Hey, Larry. I just wanna say I appreciated everything else you said today and yesterday and the day before or either four days ago. I appreciate it.
[02:43:29] Unknown:
Thanks. You're welcome.
[02:43:35] Unknown:
Because of taxes, they killed Jesus too. Not just the Jews, but they used that against them. And Pilate was losing a lot of tax collectors. And, you read carefully, those Pharisees were, accusing Pilate, and they're gonna warn him to tell Caesar that he was not able to collect taxes as before. You look at the four gospel, you you go and really read carefully. You understand what I'm saying.
[02:44:12] Unknown:
Good. Thanks.
[02:44:19] Unknown:
What was that in the gospel that you said to read?
[02:44:26] Unknown:
When you read carefully, you see the Jewish, they were sort of in a certain ways, threatening, the governor of Jerusalem or Ponce of Pilate. Because a lot of people were asserting and a lot of people were converting. And a lot of those people to revenue. Remember when you the king and the the king asked you 20%.
[02:44:54] Unknown:
She clears out of the 30%, and then he You're breaking up. You're breaking up. Hard to hear.
[02:45:00] Unknown:
Do you hear me? Please repeat. When you're collecting taxes and you have the king, the king has a governor, And then he said, collect 20% from the and he puts 30% in top of it. He puts his share. And then we he puts his own people to collect taxes. They put another five, ten, whatever the number is. And then he was losing revenue in so many ways. So everybody gets their share, and the people are the ones become lambs or sacrifice, and, are the one that gets all hurt. But Jesus, one of the reasons that he was crucified is because of that in indirectly.
[02:45:46] Unknown:
Did did you hear what I said about Sabbath? How in the Bible, they, took about six times Sabbath was mentioned and changed it to first day of the week. And that's how they've eased in Sunday. But what I was going for, which there's not enough time to get into it today. But the Jesus Christ was raised up. He didn't right? He he laid down his life and he raised himself up really, you know, because he is God. But it was Sabbath morning. He was only in that tomb a few hours. We're told the prophecies that his body would not decay, and it didn't that in Psalms. And also, these bones wouldn't be broken and they weren't.
But, also, the three day thing where you know, that's just another thing with the pagan stuff. But interesting, the, chapter Luke 22 that Brent said he wants to get into next week, if you read in there, not very far down, you'll see where Judas Iscariot goes before they met in the upper room to deal with the, parasites and, arrange a price and a meeting and all that. So that's where the three days started counting down.
[02:47:04] Unknown:
That's interesting.
[02:47:06] Unknown:
Because if you look at it, you know how it's sunset, to sunset, right, is how they counted the days. And, there's no way you'd have three days from Friday to Sunday morning anyway and that you know? So, I mean, there's there's another drawback, but, it's all been done to confuse us and over time, you know, they slipped in the, Sunday, the sun worship. You know? So Yeah. Yep. Sabbath is the day. The day. What's your name?
[02:47:36] Unknown:
Pardon me? What's your what's your what's your name, Linus?
[02:47:40] Unknown:
I I can't tell what you're saying. I'm sorry.
[02:47:43] Unknown:
What is your name, Linus?
[02:47:46] Unknown:
Oh, no. I'm I'm Mer Mer Bailey in the chat. And I have a show over at RBN, so I, you know, get real mouthy.
[02:47:57] Unknown:
No. No. I no. You're not mouthy. I'm just you're interesting. So
[02:48:02] Unknown:
Well, I just find it interesting. I keep finding out these things and the Lord guides me and it's like, you know, I just throw off that old knowledge that wasn't true knowledge. You know? You see where it comes from. And it it helps being out here in nature and no television and, you know, deciding for myself what I will consume both physical food and everything else. You know? Praise you. The Bible. I mean, it really this Malcolm Bolden Bowden, it's just fantastic. But look at his videos on YouTube, and I don't yeah. He has a site too, and that'll lead you to it, I think, from the YouTube. And I put it in both the, FCC chat and in the numeral two radioranch.sashango.com and stuff about the Hutterites and the 5013 and the 50818 C1A.
[02:48:58] Unknown:
All that stuff. So How do you spell his last name?
[02:49:02] Unknown:
B o w d e n.
[02:49:06] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you.
[02:49:08] Unknown:
Yeah. I occasionally call him Michael by accident, but it's Malcolm, m a l c o l m. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. But he brings together all these experiments and things they've done. And the thing is, it's funny because the math works the same way. Either way, if the Earth is moving or if the universe is moving around us, it's the same math. But none of their experiments have shown the Earth to be moving. That's interesting. Yeah. What a giant thing. See, they you know, some say, oh, well, they didn't get to keep their geocentricity, the Jews or whatever, back Copernicus. And but he or, you know, he, he basically said on his deathbed, he was wrong too.
You know? And some like to say, oh, well, the church and the the Jews and everything about this. Well, it's actually true. And it's not like a you know, didn't he ever question why is it supposedly a solar system where it's this nice even like a 33 RPM album, you know, record. Sound hokey. Well, there's actually, like, three inter inter, relational things going on there. The Earth is stationary and the sun goes around it, but the planets before and after the Earth go around the sun according to this theory. So but I'm not and then then they have the one that they brought in that the sun is like a like a comet, and the planets are trailing behind it, you know. But you still have all this all this unrecognizable movement. It's just not going on, you know. Wow.
Wow. And the earth is stationary. It's it's fantastic. Geocentricity, like I said, this Robertson's son, Janice, has some really good stuff. But then he gets the Catholic thing going where he says, the Catholics are responsible for the, salvation of the Protestant. Wow. What? What? You know, they're so they're so tied up in that Catholic religion, not even real it's a universal corporation is what it is. And you're putting somebody earthly between you and God, and you don't need to do that. Jesus is there for that purpose. There you go. There you go, girl. And when when when Brent brings up, first John first John five seven, that's another, YouTube channel, truth is Christ. And, they show how, Brandon Peterson shows how you know, before we had the computers, we couldn't find out about all these mathematical proofs where Jesus Christ, the holy spirit, all about sevens. And, also shows in there how this, first John five seven that they question.
That's the one thing I asked AI about because it says, you know, the three are one. You know, the three in heaven are one. And, when I asked AI, it says, oh, they use it to prove that there's a trinity, but it doesn't do that. And it doesn't. I don't believe in a trinity anymore. I mean, it's nice. There again, you got the three pagan thing going on. There's one God. But the Bible is written for us to understand the son of God is also God the son. You know? I mean, we we accept that there's there's, omnipresence. He's everywhere all the time, you know? And, omniscient, he knows everything. You know, how many hairs are on your head and everything else.
And he's omnipotent, but yet we can't accept that it's one God. You know? Here's the way to look at it. God is pure love and love is invisible. So Christ came in the flesh to show us how a perfect life is to be lived.
[02:53:01] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. Well, thank you very much.
[02:53:05] Unknown:
Thank you. I just love it. I just love finding this stuff out.
[02:53:10] Unknown:
That's kinda scary about the trust, though, ain't it? But, you know, I got some land too.
[02:53:15] Unknown:
Yeah. You know, I don't worry about any of that stuff. I mean, stuff pops up now and then, and I deal with it, you know, whatever. But I put it in his hands. I put everything in his hands. You know? And if he tells me to do something, I do it.
[02:53:30] Unknown:
You know? Whew. That's good. That's real good.
[02:53:34] Unknown:
And you learn so much from things that are, quote, unquote, mistakes or that, you know, seem like, you know, stumbling points or whatever. But you learn so much from that because it takes you out of your original way of thinking. And, he shows you what he's trying to show you through that. Yeah.
[02:53:57] Unknown:
Well, thank you so much. I'm glad I hung on a little while.
[02:54:00] Unknown:
Yeah. Thank you. And what's your name?
[02:54:03] Unknown:
Christian.
[02:54:04] Unknown:
Christian. Oh, great. Great name.
[02:54:08] Unknown:
Yes. I'm kind of kind of a newbie. I've been on here all month, but, I'm just trying to wait for my Social Security check to become a national. I'm gonna get get this stuff done for my being a national.
[02:54:22] Unknown:
Yeah. Get an affidavit into the Secretary of State and keep finding out all the particulars. Yep.
[02:54:29] Unknown:
Yes. Well, thank you so much. Mhmm. My affidavit
[02:54:35] Unknown:
my affidavit is one sentence. And I took it off of their page at which says, I and your name, being duly sworn, declare my intention to be a national, not a citizen. And, I changed the part about being duly sworn to being affirmed by God. So that's my one sentence. And that's all I sent. You know, even the one that's, shortened on the on the matrix stocks is, still involves more things. I mean, you don't have to declare the fourteenth amendment, which wasn't totally ratified. Just because they use it doesn't mean it's legit. You know?
So I figured the least to rebut. Right?
[02:55:19] Unknown:
Yes. And that's you said I am duly sworn
[02:55:22] Unknown:
to Yeah. But I didn't use the duly sworn part because that's we're not supposed to do that, right, according to God's law. So I put I, and then you have your name, and then being affirmed by God instead of being duly sworn. Being affirmed by God, declare my intention to be a national and not a citizen. And that's on one of the I don't know. Can you see the chat? Any or not?
[02:55:52] Unknown:
Can I see the chat?
[02:55:53] Unknown:
Yeah. In the FCC?
[02:55:55] Unknown:
No, ma'am.
[02:55:57] Unknown:
Oh, okay. Well, write down and remember this, numeral2radioranch.chatandgo, that's chatango,.com. Numeral2radioranch.chatandgo.com. And I'll put it in there again, my particulars. So you can see where it came from. I mean, it's just, it's summarized down to, you know, the smallest smallest way you can say it.
[02:56:29] Unknown:
Okay. Okay. Numeraltwo, radioranch
[02:56:37] Unknown:
Yeah. Dot yeah.
[02:56:40] Unknown:
.Com?
[02:56:41] Unknown:
No .chatango.com or chat and go. It's c h a t a n d o. That's all one word. Chatang0.com.
[02:56:54] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:56:57] Unknown:
Sorry. I'm a little slow. No. No. It's alright. It it won't go away. It'll be there where where this chat goes away. You know?
[02:57:05] Unknown:
K. Would you just would you just tell me the last part? Affirmed by God. What's the rest of that?
[02:57:15] Unknown:
I, being affirmed by God, declare my intention to be a national and not a citizen.
[02:57:24] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:57:26] Unknown:
But the it it'll be in the chat room there too, and you'll see the link. I've given out the link, but it's kinda long. But it'll be in that chat room. It'll all be in that chat room. I'll put it in there right now.
[02:57:38] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:57:39] Unknown:
Murrah, if you if you wanna get a watered down version of the trinity, just get an NAS Bible, and it'll do it for you.
[02:57:52] Unknown:
Yep.
[02:57:56] Unknown:
Thank you. Thank you, Myr.
[02:57:59] Unknown:
Yeah. And this truth is Christ, YouTube is so good because you see why God has had the King James version, the King James Bible be around for this time. Because so, you know, the English is like the accepted language language everywhere, and so it's acceptable, you know, usable by everyone everywhere. And, but then when you see how it all boils down mathematically, numerically, it's just fascinating. And it just shows God's hand at work all the time. You know, people say, oh, well, you have to study the Greek or the Latin. You think God didn't make all the languages? He knows.
He's put it in you know? It it's like you have to say Yehoshua or you have to say Jesus Christos. Well, I'll tell you what. I called out to Jesus, and he came to my rescue and saved my life. I'm sure more than once when I when I didn't even cry out, but I called out to Jesus. Said Jesus, he helped me, and he was right there. He drove my little Volkswagen. He did. Yep. Alright. You hey. Do you spell your name like myrrh the herb or or how? Oh, no. Just m e r. It sounds like that, but it's just m e r. It's my initials, you know, and acronym of my initials, and then Bailey is, the rest of it. And that's b a I l e y, myrrh Bailey.
[02:59:24] Unknown:
Okay. Well, God bless you. It's been good talking to you after, after the show. God bless you. Thank you.
[02:59:34] Unknown:
Thank you, Christian. Likewise.
[02:59:36] Unknown:
Alright. God bless you, and God speed to you.
[02:59:46] Unknown:
Hey, Mer. When will the when do the when did the beavers, take a day off? That's that's what I'm I'm very curious about.
[03:00:01] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. You gotta check this out. You find that on YouTube. It's Sabbath, the seventh day, ever since creation. And there's other creatures that do it too. But this is so noticeable because they're so busy all the time. Busy as a beaver. Right? But Friday at what? Friday at sunset, they dive under and go up in their lodges and stay there till the following sunset.
[03:00:22] Unknown:
And why did they have to back in the old days, why did everybody have to wear a beaver hat? And then you got the Mad Hatter getting, you know, because they cured it with mercury, and they they got Mad Hatters.
[03:00:36] Unknown:
I don't know. I I I don't know. You sound a little stoned or drunk. Yeah. I don't know.
[03:00:42] Unknown:
They they go into their lodge Saturday night, and they read their King James version of the Bible.
[03:00:49] Unknown:
Friday night. Friday night, Samuel. Let's not mock what doesn't deserve to be mocked. Alright?
[03:00:55] Unknown:
I'm not mocking it. I'm
[03:00:57] Unknown:
I'm I'm pointing out the King James Bible is what everybody should have regardless of what prayer is. But it's Friday night. They go in. Saturday night, they come out. Yeah. And Johnston is is it is it is it a t or an s that I missed? I don't even know. The t. You were calling him Johnson. I had to look back at you know? Oh, I was watching it and everything. So, yeah, it's Johnston,
[03:01:19] Unknown:
t o n. Did you did you look at the one I sent you?
[03:01:24] Unknown:
Little bit. I didn't go through it at all. I mean, it's just like there's so much stuff, you know. Oh, you know what? I'm just gonna depth. It's way more clear on the science. It's
[03:01:33] Unknown:
altogether a better version. The interviewer isn't a hypocrite. You know? There's that. So Yeah. Cucker.
[03:01:42] Unknown:
I count on Cucker for a reason. Yep.
[03:01:47] Unknown:
But it's good. It's good. I love his little ukulele music in front with his log cabin and his his, little parka on. And, you know, the guy lives in Florida in a mansion and flies his private jet up there into that studio to throw those things out at people.
[03:02:13] Unknown:
Who's that you're talking about?
[03:02:15] Unknown:
Tucker.
[03:02:16] Unknown:
Oh, I thought so. Supposedly, he's in Maine in his little, cabin.
[03:02:23] Unknown:
Yeah. He he takes his private jet from Florida to Maine Mhmm. A few times a month to run those little pieces of his country bumpkiness, which No. No. It was I remember him back when he was dressed in his Ivy League suit with his bow tie. Telling people how stupid they were for believing in conspiracy theories like JFK. That's the real Tucker.
[03:02:49] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. 911. I I know I saw one thing where he was had been speaking, and he came out and just a couple some regular dudes talking about nine 11 being an inside job and and just the way he turned. So it was scary. You know? I forget what he said to him, but it was you know? It it wasn't nice at all. And I thought, oh, there's a true character. He
[03:03:14] Unknown:
he is a very intelligent man who knows him Oh, sure. And and and and thinks other people are less than he is. That's exactly what he said.
[03:03:24] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. It's it's very, yeah, very noticeable. He he acts all meek and mild a lot of the time, but,
[03:03:32] Unknown:
I don't think he's wasp, and he said he's against the elites and, you know, the the state the statists. You know?
[03:03:41] Unknown:
Listen. This latest and everyone else's latest thing, you know, where, Fuentes, they didn't let. He can just talk for, like, three hours. You know, 26 year old, and he's really stirring things up, and I like it. And things he said last year are coming true, you know, or even before that. But, apparently, Trump tweeted out about, and I think I remember this, about Cucker's father being CIA. Right? And and basically pretty high up in it. And then after, Candace and and she was kinda nasty with Fuentes too because, you know, we didn't he's Catholic, you know, doesn't like the race mixing. And, of course, e, Michael Jones says, oh, you just start a new race. And I'm like, oh, boy. No. He'll be on live at four central on on Rumble, e, Michael Jones. But, anyway, so, he had an interview. He Fuentes came and, you know, interviewed with her.
And, and then Candace and Cucker are together, and they're basically tearing down Fuentes. He didn't do anything. You know? What's he revealing a little too much about each of you? Which he was. And so that's that's where kinda the the division is. And, so, Conker is saying, oh, that kid, and he's gay, and he's in his mother's basement or something, you know, in his bay you know, it's just stupid. Right? But it didn't get any attention when a guy came to the door. A guy who had just killed three people had come to his door to kill him.
You know? And then get any he's in Chicago. You know, but he didn't get any news coverage. You know? I mean, they they want him gone because he's just and he believes in g like I said, he's Catholic, but he believes in Jesus. And and, they even, you know, go so far as to ask him, oh, are you a virgin? I mean, when do you ask people that? Right? And he says, oh, yes. I am. He says, I hope to have a family, Mary, and have a family someday. But, I mean, he started this stuff when he was 18. You know? So he's just speaking the truth. They can't stand that.
[03:05:51] Unknown:
Someone came and went pointed his throat. And what happened after that?
[03:05:57] Unknown:
Well, he was in the, if they got the guy or obviously, got the guy because of the other killings he did. I forget how this whole story went. But, you know, he had a camera out there, and you could see the guy, and he's wearing a helmet. And, yeah. Oh. It just there is a bunch of stuff. There's been other harassment and stuff too, but that is pretty blatant. And there's probably a lot of these cells, so to speak, you know, MK Ultra or whatever that are, you know, time to, go off at certain points. And and then a lot of it is just totally made up so they can frame another young white guy.
[03:06:43] Unknown:
Well, I didn't see I'm sorry. I didn't see the, Candace, Tucker, Fuentes. And then was there one later also with just Candace and Fuentes? I don't know. But, anyway, I wish I'd seen them. I don't know how to see them. But but, do do you remember, Marv, what exactly he said that or did or said that Tucker didn't like and that Candace did not like?
[03:07:09] Unknown:
Well, it sounds like the primary thing was he was saying how Cucker's father was CIA. And, of course, Cucker knows about this. Right? Yeah. And so he was saying, how did this gay kid in his basement know about my father? I didn't learn about it till he died in March. That's just lies. But you gotta remember, God had a memory. Tucker was best friends with Hunter Bryden, lived near him. He was a VIP at Comet Ping Pong Pizza. Yeah. Yeah. So is he working off his redemption now or what? You know? No. He thinks he's he thinks he's, you know, too cool. And he does does some good interviews, you know, but he plays stupid when he we know he's not.
Yeah. And the whole thing, he goes to Moscow and and interviewed Putin. That Putin didn't look like the same Putin we usually see, but I don't know. Oh. They all have stand ins. And the ultimate goal is this, not only Eretz Israel, you know, where they're taking up all the countries around them bit by bit, but they want the whole planet. And the Bible says, time will be shortened, lest there be no flesh left. You know, I'm paraphrasing there, but it's basically what it says.
[03:08:32] Unknown:
Hey. How about Murr get on with Tucker and tell him about the Oh, he's getting me on. Sun circled the Earth. And he went, circle
[03:08:44] Unknown:
Yeah. No. He he can get Robert's on. What? Like I said, he he has that science down really good too. And I don't think Malcolm's probably around anymore, but, yeah, you need to check I can send that stuff to you, Joan, if you want, or you can find it in that chat room. But, yeah. It's literally well, I'll yeah. I'll do that with that stuff too, but I I was talking about Bowden
[03:09:11] Unknown:
because that is so fascinating. Yeah. The man who he's the one is he the one you said earlier? I was gonna bet go back and relisten if it try to get the name. Is that the one where you said you got the information about the sun going around the earth around the earth?
[03:09:26] Unknown:
Yeah. The geocentricity. He's been doing this for years. Malcolm is his first name. It's m a l c o l m and Bowden, b o w d e n. Malcolm Bowden. And you can find that on YouTube. He has a channel there. And I think from there, you can find any other he has other site and I forget exactly what it was called. But one of the big things he was into when I first heard of him, he was the most interrupted guest that Clint Richardson had on his show. But Clint had, found about him because one of the things he talks about is breakdowns are good for you. And Clint, apparently, had had a breakdown after work in Hollywood and, you know, and sound stuff for different, I guess, movies and video games and stuff. And one of the ones they liked the best was the squealing pig when they're castrating them. Right?
Which makes me think of the ease off ad on RBN, but yeah. Oh. Yeah. But then all this stuff, when when he learned what was going on and the Jews and everything and well, he had a breakdown. And, you know Mhmm. Well, I think it was different stuff with his private life and all too, but that's neither here nor in in this circumstance. But, anyway, that's how he had had him on as a guest, I think, two times. I think that's all. But each time, the Internet all kind of stuff would happen, so we would lose contact with him. Oh.
But, that's what else he was, really known for was his geocentricity. And when he heard about the flatter stuff, he was just like, no. I mean, that is such an op. It's insulting. Would God step on this one and flatten it out? You know? And what was it? Somebody said Tuesday night after show there, Anthony said, because they want me to talk about flat earth, I guess, and question them why why I talk about the Bible, but I won't talk about flat earth. Well, duh. Which one's legitimate? You know? I'm just tired of hearing all these lies. But Anthony said that, well, I know it's I don't know what shape the earth is, but I know it's not a ball. I mean, it sounds so childish. You know? But he says because water doesn't run uphill.
The excuse it's just absurd. And if you watch those videos, you will get absurd. And, like I said, David Wise, this guy's name, Mark Sargent, woman who went by Patricia Steele, but that's, kind of a made up name. I I don't I don't know if I ever found her real name when she was Jewish or is Jewish. And, you know, some of the ones listening, oh, she's legitimate. She made her own money, and you don't make your own money. Alright? If you get into big bucks, there's gonna be a reason. You know, and and it might even be why they bankrupt it. You know, that's that's the thing I had asked, Mike Gaddy. I said, well, if Trump is in so tight, why did they let him go bankrupt? You know, I'm not saying any good or anything. I'm just saying no one is all bad or all good. None are righteous. No. Not one. But God works through everyone.
[03:12:39] Unknown:
Hey, Mara. Do you know what happened to Clint Richards?
[03:12:44] Unknown:
Clint Richardson? What?
[03:12:48] Unknown:
Did he come back? There's another show or whatever? To me.
[03:12:52] Unknown:
He did one for a while over on UCY, and, I don't even know if they're still up. And, and then he did podcast, Sunday
[03:13:04] Unknown:
Something with a pill. Something with a pill. Red pill. Right?
[03:13:08] Unknown:
Yeah. Red pill Sunday school. And this is the other thing I gotta tell you now since we're gonna talk about red pill because that is such a fallacy and a trick too. They stole the, the Wachowski brothers, now sisters. That's creepy enough. Those two Jews stole the, screenplay and, the idea from Thomas Althouse, a l t h o u s e, or Anderson. That's his clan name, so he goes by either. But, he wrote a book called The Immortals, and that's what this whole story, The Matrix and and I'm not sure just how the immortal says, but the fact is the red pill is the bad one. The blue pill is the good one. The red pill keeps you in the thing, and it stands for the children's blood, the adrenochrome.
Like, and everybody's using this red pill. Right? Because, that's what they know because they go by the movie. Right?
[03:14:10] Unknown:
But, I don't know. What about no pill? What about no pill? I don't want no pharmakea pill. Yeah. I don't take any pills either. Right?
[03:14:18] Unknown:
Just for treatment.
[03:14:20] Unknown:
He he was so smart, and I remember that he was getting frustrated because nobody was following him. He would say things like that in the end, more or less. And, but then we came on the straw man. He was using the Bible.
[03:14:33] Unknown:
He he was a very interesting guy, but it it sometimes, he just fell out of the bed. No. There was there was some lacking things there. He used to buy oh, this is the book of law. Like I said, you know, with his personal lifestyle or whatever it is, I don't know for sure, but people can't use the Bible wholly if they're doing something that they know is not part of the law in the Bible. You know what I mean?
[03:14:59] Unknown:
Yeah. And so they'll use it to their you know, what parts they think and stuff. You know you know, but he did say I don't remember. It's been a long time, but he did say things before the COVID a long time about the DNA. And he brought this guy and, and, and that you're able to turn off your with the injection, turn off, the DNA of the lizard. And he, you know, he has certain at least some of the guests. He he he has certain good things that, he was not digging really. Oh, I see. Into the bible stuff and he wrote that small man. Coming to the chat room every night and
[03:15:36] Unknown:
enjoyed it. You know? It was it was great. But he, was I gonna say, he was very early on about all the vaccinations and stuff too.
[03:15:46] Unknown:
You know? And also about the taxes being used missing property tag being misused with a different account and all that. You know, you got a lot of good good stuff.
[03:15:54] Unknown:
Yeah. The prions, you know, and the vaccines and yeah. Yeah.
[03:16:03] Unknown:
Elmer, the, Malcolm Bowden.
[03:16:07] Unknown:
Yeah. Bowden, I think he pronounces it, but, yeah, b o w d e. Like Bowdown.
[03:16:13] Unknown:
So the only place you saw him was on with Clint Richardson, and you only saw him once or twice on Clint Richardson.
[03:16:20] Unknown:
See him at I didn't see him on there at all. You know? It was a audio, but, that's that's where I learned about him. Okay. That's where I remember learning about him. But like I said, Clint was talking about it because of his help from, coming over a breakdown, how nervous breakdown could be good for you. You know? And and in a lot of ways, you can see that. I mean, that's gotta be a fast way of dumping the old cargo that's not any good. Right? And so you're able to, take on what is good. You know? Mhmm. What is special? So, I mean, that that's good. But when I did go to his site, which I can't think of the name right now, I could look it up. But, anyway, he, his main thing was talking about geocentricity.
I'm like, oh, what's this? And but then I didn't pay any attention to it for a while. I just kinda looked down. Okay. And, but then more recently, it's just hit me. You know? The universe is going around us. It's fantastic. We're the crown of creation, but they want us to think that we're, man or other animals. Right?
[03:17:31] Unknown:
Mhmm. And that about does it for the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales for this Friday edition with Brent Allen Winters and Roger Sales. Catches here Monday through Saturday, 11AM to 1PM eastern time. And, you can, check our website, thematrixdocs.com. That is thematrix,d0cs,.com. You can find links to free conference calls so you can actually join us live in the show. We've got a room for about a thousand of you, so come on down. You can also find links to interviews, downloadables, exhibits, resources, ebooks, you name it, it's there. Like I've said many times before, pack a lunch, stay the day, baby.
Thanks for joining us. I'm Paul from Global Voice Network. Catch us right back here for the Sabado edition tomorrow on the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales. Ciao. Blasting the voice of freedom worldwide, you're listening to the Global Voice Radio Network.
[03:19:37] Unknown:
Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.
Introduction and Host Welcome
Discussion on Catcalling Laws in England
Historical Context of American Prosperity
Mormon Doctrine and Religious Criticism
Definition of Religion and Lawgiver
Discussion on the Shroud of Turin
508c1a vs 501c3 Churches
Trusts and Asset Protection
Natural Law vs Common Law
Post-Show Discussion and Listener Interaction
