In this episode, host Roger Sayles reflects on the passing of his friend Dan Swain, a retired airline pilot who had a profound impact on his life. Roger shares Dan's journey from never having opened a Bible to becoming a devoted reader and teacher of its teachings to his grown children. The episode takes a somber tone as Roger pays tribute to Dan's jovial spirit and the void his passing leaves. The conversation shifts to geopolitical tensions, particularly focusing on the conflict involving Israel and Iran, and the implications of missile exchanges and nuclear threats. Roger and co-host Brent Winders discuss the complexities of international relations, the role of religion, and the historical context of current events.
As the discussion unfolds, the hosts delve into the reliability of biblical manuscripts, the nature of truth, and the historical significance of religious texts. Brent Winders provides insights into the trustworthiness of ancient documents and the evidence supporting the reliability of the Bible. The episode also touches on the concept of common law, the role of trust in legal and religious contexts, and the challenges of navigating modern legal systems. The conversation is interspersed with reflections on personal faith, the influence of historical figures, and the enduring impact of religious teachings on contemporary society.
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And as would we, and, we take a regular stab at it six days a week here at the Radio Ranch. Today is the end of the regular work week Friday program. That means cohost Brent Winders is here. I don't know that he's he likes to keep us in suspense. So he'll he'll arrive here, you know, in a minute, I think. We hope. And, as I said, I'm Roger Sales. Brent Winters will be along, hopefully, because we like these Friday broadcasts, and evidently so do you guys. So, anyway, we've got a, compliment of folks that, help us extend our reach, and mister Beaner is the keeper of said platforms or at least the announcement and recognition of them. And he's if I can drag him out from under the stairs there, we'll get him to go over that again today. Mister Paul, are you ready?
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Yeah. I think you'll be able to drag me out from under there with the treble hook. Yeah. And maybe Good. Good. Treble hook and a winch. Be a big one. Yeah. I or maybe one of those vaudeville hooks. You know?
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. The cane.
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Yeah. And off he goes exit stage right. We have a very light complement of platforms. WDRN is still working on issues legal, so we're on radiosoapbox.com. We're also on eurofolkradio.com. Thanks to pastor Eli James, and we're on Global Voice Radio Network. As usual, our website is thematrixdocs,d0cs,.com, and you'll find links to free conference calls so you can join us live on the show. We've got room for about, oh, 975 more of you, I guess. Alright. Well They'll come on down.
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Okay. Well, maybe they will. Maybe they won't. It, if they won't, they're gonna probably miss something because there's a lot of truth on this program as all of you know. Okay. Well, let me start out this way. As soon as I got out of bed, Jack called me this morning and told me about the death of, a guy I particularly liked, and, he lived down on the coast. He was a retired airline pilot. Just a joy to be around, laughing always. Just jovial and, great sense of humor. And, he passed away last night. Had a heart attack on Tuesday and, passed away last night. His name was Dan Swain. And, you've heard me refer to Dan. I did this so just this week, actually, not even knowing that he had had a heart attack.
Dan was the one that told me, said, you know, Roger, and he lived on the coast. I mean, we spent some time. Me him and his wife would come up here occasionally. He had an alternative doctor that he liked to visit up here. Anyway, he Dan's the one that said, you know, I never even opened a cover of a Bible in my entire adult life until I ran across this information. And now not only do I spend a a a little time every day in the word, but I'm also going back and exposing and teaching my grown children who I neglected to expose this information to when they were growing up. And, that was a profound testimonial. Yes. It was Dan Swain.
And, he'll be really missed. He was a great guy. His wife's flying back. She was in The States. Now they were both, both from Tulsa, Oklahoma. So they were some of the Oklahoma contingent here, and I just always look forward to, spending time with them when they were here. So I'll miss him greatly, and, I wish Jack could quit calling me and tell me all these people I really like are dying. You know? But, anyway, that did happen, and I wanted to announce it on the show. And, just, rest in peace, Dan Swayne. You're a hell of a guy. So, anyway
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You mentioned that story just yesterday. I did. Just this week. I knew. Yeah. Just yesterday, you talked about him and and how he had, told you that now he's going back to teach his adult children what he should've taught him before.
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Well, we never, you know, we never know when our strings are gonna get pulled, and, and it's just sad. And he didn't, show up on the show too much, maybe a couple of times in the early days, but he was just a pleasure to be around. He was developing and bought some land down there on the coast and was trying to develop some kind of, I don't know, housing or something and got hit right smack in the nose with COVID. It just put that whole thing on the back burner, and he's never been able to regenerate it. Now he's dead. So, anyway, I guess it makes some kind of a, a statement on our, importance. The fact that we're still here, we hadn't been called, and, we got work to do. So, anyway, I wanted to announce that. This is very sad. Kind of a sad way to start the program, but, anyway, wanted to get that out of the way.
So, otherwise, Brent, Brent hadn't tied his pony up out front, I guess, yet.
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Oh, I'm I'm here, Roger. Hey, Brent. Yeah. How you doing? How you doing? Yeah.
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I'm glad you got to hear that. Go ahead. I was just gonna say that the other part is, I I think maybe that, it appears at least at this point that I our our buddies over there in Satan's Sandbox may have, bit off a little more than they could chew. And, do you know, Brent, that it that, you know, they're firing these missiles back and forth for a few days? I guess you knew that. Right? Mhmm. Yep. Well, what the Iranians have done is they found a way to drain Israel because they've got these older cheap missiles that are, like, 200,000 a piece.
And they they're throwing them up over there at the Iron Dome where every time one of those missiles goes up, it's $12,000,000. So they're throw throwing the cheap missile at the expensive missile and it's draining Israel. And then after they get a few of those Golden Dome missiles shot up, then they can, let their, their other missiles penetrate, and Israel has been heavily damaged. They won't let it out any information, of course. But, Tel Aviv, at least half of Tel Aviv or more is destroyed. Now that will, you may or may not know that Tel Aviv has become the modern modern Sodom and Gomorrah. Did you know that, Brent? Yeah. Took the place of San Francisco. Frisco. Yep. Pretty much. Well, about half of that town's been destroyed evidently.
And, the Israelis are not in a good spot. And so now is Trump gonna come to the rescue, and all that may happen in the next couple of days. We'll see. But, they may have bit off more than they could chew. You you started it, you go finish it. So I've said on the show, both Pakistan and North Korea have offered to give, Iran nuclear weapons if they don't already have them and, which would indicate they don't already have them, by the way. And, man, I'd I'd just love to see them strap one of those and just lob it right over there.
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So, anyway, that, is my commentary. How are you doing this morning, Brent? Oh, we're okay. World is always on the verge of blowing up because there are those people in the world that, want to stir up trouble. And, over there, it's been a place where those people over there have kept the trouble stirred. Time out of memory, all my life, And, I've been advised by those closest to me from the time I was very young, stay away from it. Yep. Don't bother with them. Don't go over there. That's stupid. It's not our business. Leave them alone. You know, it's funny how they demonize the the Arabs, and the Arabs are they have some tendencies that don't fit in with our culture, of course, and and concepts. But,
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but, you know, they lived peacefully with the Jews and and the Arabs and the Christians over there for two thousand years.
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Uh-huh.
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And and it by the way, it was 85% Arab. So if this canard that they wanna kill everybody, they had plenty of chance. Couple thousand years, they never did any of that, and they all lived together pretty coexisted pretty peacefully until the Zionist moved in in the twenties. And that's when all the problems started. K? Yeah. European
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the European migration, that's all it was. It had nothing to do with Semitism. No. European it had to do with religion, but not not the Semitic people. What are the Semitic people? Boy. Review just to review simply, the Semitic people are the descendants of Shem. And there are a lot of them out there, and the people you think aren't Semitic, many of them are. For example, the Chinese are Semitic people, or the Arabs are Semitic people. Most of the people that call themselves Jews in Israel are not Semitic people. They're Europeans, Persians, and, from all sorts of races. As Jesus Christ said of the Phariseites then is still true today, you encompass land and sea. That means that's the old King James. It says, you go all around the whole world, land and sea, to make one proselyte. A proselyte is a convert to their religion. And then once you've made that proselyte, you have you make him twice the son of hell than yourselves. Yep. That's the words of Jesus Christ. Now I have a choice.
I can believe what he says, or I can believe what, other people say that's contrary to it. And I've made my choice, and I see and I'm fully convinced and persuaded given the clear evidence, the overwhelming embarrassment of evidence that the record of what Jesus Christ said is reliable. If you haven't come to that conclusion, I I refer you to, the book, excellence of the common law or the winterized version of the Bible. I've got the same appendix in both where I it's a long appendix, but I try to lay out there why I believe and then persuaded that the evidence, that's what the Bible is, written evidence, the reliability of those manuscripts.
And I don't think it's a matter of opinion. I don't think it's ambiguous. Clear to me, as we say in trust law, it's clear and convincing evidence beyond that even. The veritable embarrassment of riches, you know, that for example, if you can show that the gospel records, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, the ancient manuscripts of those records are reliable, then it's easy after that to show that the whole Bible is reliable because you have shown that the statements of Jesus Christ were properly recorded and reliable. Just applying the rules of evidence of our common law tradition and the Bible itself.
Once you show that, then Jesus Christ makes the statements that that gives the reliability of the rest of the Bible. And those documents, for example, almost 6,000 manuscripts of the New Testament, and that doesn't count the that's the original tongues. That doesn't count about 10,000 Latin manuscripts that corroborate the original tongue of Greek, Koine Greek, almost 6,000. The only the the ancient writing that, in Greek that comes the closest to the manuscripts in the New Testament in a number of manuscripts is the Iliad, of Homer.
The Iliad of Homer written about 800 BC, has about 600 manuscripts that are that we've discovered and about 600. So about 6,000 versus 600. And then all of the other ancient writings from the ancient world, like the Roman historian Tacitus and some of those fellows, all the other writings have anywhere from three or four manuscripts to about a dozen. One of them I remember reading has about 20 manuscripts available. But isn't it something? It's odd to me that people will quote the ancient Roman historians and never question what they've said, when the really, the evidence is pretty scanty.
And most and the manuscripts of those ancient historians are woefully varied. I mean, you don't you don't have any consistency among them. You get the general idea. The New Testament manuscripts, the six almost 6,000, they're consistent. And all there are variations of spellings of words, but there's not one variation among those almost 6,000 manuscripts, not one variation that changes and or alters any fundamental doctrine of Christianity, of the Bible. There are no contradictions in the variations either. None. And I I take that on the testimony of not only those that accept the manuscripts as reliable, but also on those like Bart Ehrman from Chapel Hill University of North Carolina that has made, a point of his life to argue that they aren't reliable, but he does say this. He says that there's not one major doctrine of Christianity that any variation in the New Testament manuscripts makes. Not one. That's quite a statement.
You can't say that about the ancient Roman historians, and then you look at what why they wrote what they wrote. Well, clearly, they tell you I wrote this to impress the emperor of Rome or somebody important, and so they were trying to gain favor with powerful parties. That's why they wrote those things. Well, that's not true of the Bible, and you won't find a hint of that anywhere in the Bible. That's not the case. So we have the manuscripts. We have the reliability of them. Jesus Christ said, you that follow the religion called but today we call it Talmudism.
You compass land and sea to make one proselyte. And once you have made that proselyte, you make him twice the son of hell than yourselves. Now that's important to recognize. Is that reliable? Well, the manuscripts are we can show they're substantially reliable, and then we can also show by further examination that they are word for word reliable as Jesus Christ said. Well, that's my take on the matter, and I think it's important too. I'm convinced, thorough thoroughly persuaded that it's important that we take these questions back to the statements of Jesus Christ himself and not rely upon external. We don't have to rely upon external evidence of what's going on in the world today. We can know what's going on in the world, but we need to apply the evidence that is abundant, apparent, and true, and will give us the true answers.
And the manuscripts of the bible that those are the writings that will give us the unadulterated, unmongralized, unmixed, pure truth. Thy word thy word, said Jesus Christ, John 17. Thy word is pure. He acknowledges that it's true, and then, I should say he used the word aletheia. It's true. That means it's true truth in the Bible. When you see the word truth in the New Testament, the Greek word aletheia, it means proven fact. It's a word taken from the tribunals of Rome, the tribunals of the Roman Empire. We call them courts, but they weren't really courts. They were inquisitorial tribunals. But, one of the words from those tribunals is aletheia, and it means proven fact. It's a word of legal significance.
And we just say truth, and then you have to stop and say, well, what's that? I was like, Pilate said to Jesus Christ, what is truth? What is it? This he was cynical about it. People say they can define it. Well, I can define it because I know what the word means. I look it up in history. It's there. It's not a big deal. It means a fact that has been submitted to the court as an accusation and now is proven as true. That's what Aliyah is. Okay. Submitted as an accusation or a claim in a noncriminal case, and now we've got proof of it, and we've rendered a verdict. And that's the end of it. See, Jesus Christ impaneled the 12 man jury, and they rendered their verdict.
And then we they by polls, as we say in the common law courts, and none of them chained their verdict. You know, nobody 11 of them died. 11 of them were murdered for their verdict. The last one died in chains and slave labor and assault mine in Patmos. That was John the apostle on the island of Patmos. But never in the history of mankind ever has anybody ever died for what he believed was a lie. Nobody's ever done that. There have been probably millions of people for that have died for what they believed was true, but it wasn't. Like, the 100,000 jabs jumped off the cliffs at Iwo Jima, because they they wanted to devote their lives and die for their emperor.
And they did that when the Americans finally begin to press them, but they died for what they believed was true, but it was a lie. So no man ever died. No man, no woman ever died for what he believed was a lie. But that's important when you look at, 12 man jury of the Jesus Christ impaneled, and you say, well, 11 of them died. The last one was the cleanup hitter writing books of the Bible, the gospel of John, the book of Revelation, and the three epistles. But he, he suffered, 11 of them died, but none of them changed their tune. They could've. They didn't. They kept telling the same story. No. This man that I was with for over three years, he is the Messiah. He is God in human flesh.
He is, and you wanna kill me, go ahead. That's I I'm I'm bound to deliver the truth, and I'm certainly not gonna change my my jury verdict knowing what it would mean to me either. They all they all believed it was true, and they were with him. Like John said, in his affidavit there, first John, he says, what we have seen, what we have heard, what we have touched, and our hands have handled. He's saying this is my sworn statement, and I have central perception of ears, eyes, touch. I have it all. I was with him, and I have it all. And I'm delivering to you what I received, my testimony, my affidavit, and there it is.
You can, look at it yourself. That's the book of first John, and it has other things in it too. Well, that's what I see in it. So when it comes to what's going on all over the world, everywhere, not just over there on the other side of the pond in Israel. No. No. No. The state of Israel, I should say. The evaluation of the Bible is sure. It's as fresh as the morning, and it will give you the truth whereby to judge what's going on right now. And those that say no. No. No. These are God's chosen people and blah blah. No. That's not I got the response to that. Pastor Pete,
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which god and chosen for what? Yeah. Which god? I'll bite there the chosen people, but under which god and chosen to do what?
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Yeah. Oh, that's good, Roger. And old Pete, he sad to see people go. It's not that and I say this so people won't misunderstand me. I have to be careful. I don't follow all of Pete's stuff, but Pete just took the Bible. He just an old I say I'm a plowboy. He was a cowboy. That guy was a cowboy. Old rider, and he grew up. Matter of fact, he got injured really badly. And men that are really good with horses, they're like everybody else. They get too familiar with things, and then they think they can take a chance and not get hurt. He got hurt bad as a young man. Of course, he worked in his family, had a ranch in the Sandhills of, Nebraska.
I they have a special name for it, cowpunchers do, but he had to do with roping and the rope you know, ropes can take off your thumb if you get them on the saddle horn. The guy will rope a a steer or a bull, I mean, a bigger animal, and then he'll take the bitter end of the lariat and give it a quick wrap around the saddle horn. Well, if you get your thumb in there and that bull pulls, of course, the horse the horse once the rope goes around the neck of the animal, the horse, if he's a good roping horse, he'll turn and face the animal because if he's sideways, the animal will pull him over. Right. You know, all these little things that cow punchers understand. Get real. What's that?
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Joe, you you been The term you're looking for the term the term you're looking for is to dally.
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That say that or spell what? Spell I'm sorry. Spell it. Dally. To? Yes. Yes. Dally? Thank you, Joe. We get it from an Oklahoman there. He's filling us in. Well, I think that's what happened to him, Joe. And I I think he ended up the horse went down, blame there, crushed his leg. I don't remember the whole story. He didn't tell a lot about it, but that's been many years ago now. Well, thank you,
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Roger, for bringing all that up, but go ahead. Let me, let me tell you. Because I used to listen to Pete every night, when he was on WWCR. For those of you who maybe know knew and not know who this is, it was, his name is pastor Pete Peters. He was in La Porte, a little town, La Porte, Colorado. Got a church of Christ there. He was influenced by the guy that really influenced almost all of our identity pastors is, Sheldon Emery. And, and he was influenced by Sheldon, and he he turned to the identity message and everybody in the church deserted him except for his family. And he started all over again.
And, when Bill Clinton was elected and, nominated Janet Reno Butch Reno to be the, AG, and they, they named this little guy in this little town in the middle of nowhere, the most dangerous man in America. You can still, his, supporters have kept his website up, and it's scripturesforamerica.org. I always had the impression the guy was kind of a prophet. He has an incredible yeah. That talent that Brent has, and I have somewhat, I think, of being able to take, very complex things and break them down to very simple, understandable concepts.
The big problem with his, website is they don't have show descriptions. And I was telling, Paul the other day with our with our new one, new new platform over there for archives that's got AI, and you could run AI through those sermons and figure out what he was talking about. I wish I hope those people over there that run the website find that. Also, he, was big buddies with somebody else. I know you'll remember Brent as colonel Jack Moore. Right? You remember him? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I remember Jack Moore.
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You know, back when back when I first came into contact with him, I was pastoring a church in Terre Haute, Indiana, little church, and, I had an uncle. My grandmother's sister's husband was pastoring a church in the only town called Mowiqua. And, like, Mohwikwa is known, little tiny place, maybe twelve, fifteen hundred people, but Mohwikwa is known for a a coal mining accident that happened there that, killed a lot of people. Other than that, there's nothing significant about the place. But, my uncle, that that church where he pastored ordained me. I couldn't find anybody else to do it. And I was, it's kinda funny. Little tiny church out in the country had been there for a hundred and fifty years, but at Locust Grove, but, I, I was being tapped for military chaplaincy at that time, and I, had to have a church that sponsored me. So my uncle, who's been long since gone, he was kind enough to recommend the church do that. I just went to church up there with my cousin the other night. I wanna drive up and visit the folk because they were kind enough to do that. And, that's how I that's how the military chaplaincy thing happened, but I was my pastor in church. Well, he told me that he got a message, and said there was gonna be a fellow come to Mewequa, and I wanted to give a message to all the pastors in town. Well, I I didn't know who it was. Well, it was Pete Peters. Really? Yeah. And, and I've since be on this show, Roger, on this show, I've since, a few years back, met the fella that, orchestrated that in that area.
Well, but here's the problem. Let me say this up front. I've noticed I'll say it. I'm not identity, not the way Pete preached it. Not against Pete other ways. He was a good Bible teacher and a faithful pastor, but I didn't go down that road. And what I've discovered is with the identity movement, and some of you that are listening know what that is, the with the identity movement, it draws an unsavory bunch. It does not all the people that are drawn to it are unsavory, but it for example, see, the fellows that were given life sentences for for, gunning down with a Mac 10 automatic weapon, gunning down that Jewish talk show host in Oh, in San Francisco.
No. No. Denver, Roger. Oh, Denver. That's right. That's right. That guy's name. Allen Bird. Allen Bird. Yep. Yep. Gunned down, right beside his little VW bug, right in his driveway. And the two men that were convicted of doing that, I'm not convinced they were. I don't think the evidence was strong enough, but they were convicted, and both of them have now died in federal prison. But the two men that were convicted had, frequented, the church That's Pete. Yeah. Well, that drugged Pete, and then he was a he was under grand jury investigation for orchestrating a a conspiracy to murder Alan Berg because Pete and general Jack Moore was he a general or a No. He's colonel.
Colonel Jack Moore, who had been a prisoner of war in Korea and served in World War two and got a field commission from general Patton, all that's true. He's a peach of a guy. But, him and colonel Moore, Alan Berg interviewed them on the radio. And, colonel Moore got upset at Berg and said, I'm not gonna stay on here. You keep interrupting me. And it it ruffled his sensibilities of respect, and so he just left. Well, that left Pete. And Pete came back on and kindly, kindly, I might add. I had a a show with him and tried to answer his questions. And Alan Berg is he's a Jewish. That means he follows Judaism. Doesn't mean he's a Semite. Keep that in mind. But he, a lawyer from Chicago, he was, and he questioned Pete about his his points of view about the Bible and identity. Well, what identity is, I should say at this point, identity is the point the the the doctrine of some people that began, by the way, right where I grew up, right where I grew up by two fellows, a couple of brothers from Kentucky that migrated across the river there.
And, they're the ones that, that that had a niece that went over a daughter that became the mother of the last this is crazy, but that's America. The last chief of the of the Comanche nation. Yes. You've told the story before. Yeah. Well, they they're the ones in America that brought that to the forefront. It had been bought to the forefront in church history before, but the Parker Brothers were a couple of hard what we call at home, hard shell baptists. See, Abe Lincoln was raised hard shell baptist because that was a big group back in our neck of the woods. And a hard shell Baptist what a hard shell Baptist is, the the more proper name is Primitive Baptist, but we don't call them that. And there are a lot of church I've spoken in hard shell Baptist churches.
I don't follow their doctrine all of it either, but they're so, predestinarian. They're so Calvinist that they won't, they won't even tell anybody about Jesus. I mean, that's it's kinda funny. And I've known I had an aunt. An old aunt Hazel, we farmed her place. She was a hard shell Baptist. I never quarreled with her. They're not dumb people. They won't even have a preacher. See, they they're I used to go to church with well, we called her aunt Hazel because her her first name was Hazel. And go to church with her, and they wouldn't even allow, they didn't have a church choir course. They wouldn't allow anybody to stand up in front of the church and do anything for fear that, the person up on the platform would be attempted to aggrandize themselves in some way. So So when they went for their song service, we'd all be sitting there in a church and somebody and you you never knew who it was or holler out a number.
Well, that meant go to a certain page in the hymn book and somebody who is sitting in the congregation would start singing. But you never had anybody up front, and then they'd finally put the preacher on to do his performances. And, he'd he was just supposed to preach and not say anything else about himself. They're very, very different that way. Well, that's what these Parker brothers were, but they started or made popular in America and wrote a pamphlet on the subject called the serpent seed doctrine. And I the serpent seed doctrine, out of which the identity movement arose.
Well, keep in mind too, I don't wanna miss this, say it upfront that Quanah Parker, the he was half white and half Comanche, and his they had kidnapped the Comanche killed everybody in Fort Parker down there in Texas, and they they kidnapped the children. And they became what she became the wife of one of the fellows there. One of his wives, it wasn't a matter of I got one wife and, like, the Bible says a one woman man. But Quanah was her was her son. Now, by the way, he died a wealthy banker in Lawton, Oklahoma before the before the the finale was over.
He turned to white, but he had, he put together a form of Christianity that overtook all the engine reservations all over North America and up into Canada. And that's the brand of Christianity that came from his mother, by the way. And he coupled a color, of course, with his culture. Instead of using wine and, get this, Roger, instead of using wine in the communion service, they use peyote.
[00:33:07] Unknown:
That should have made for a interesting service.
[00:33:10] Unknown:
That was their wine. That was what the and by the way, see, command or, Quanah, he got gored real bad by a longhorn, and, he'd he was gonna die. And And I don't know how this happened. I haven't been able to follow-up on it, but he met an Apache woman. You know, the Apaches were never friend with Comanches. The Comanches had a territorial boundary. There there wasn't a tribe of Indians anywhere that did that except the Comanche. They had a territorial boundary. They had a country. It was called well, they called it by the name Comanche or Comanchero. But they if anybody came in there, well, you might get killed. You probably would. They just they guarded their borders real good. You know what's funny thing about Wish we'd do that.
Yeah. Really. They they were the only tribe in America that, maintained the country because they guarded their borders, but they were brutal about it. They were ugly, brutal people, terrible. And they were nothing but pushed around for centuries and put upon and enslaved by all the other tribes around them until the horse showed up. And they were a small people. They're not a big people. You know, like the Cheyenne and the Sioux were pretty some of them pretty tall. Mhmm. The Comanche weren't a big people. They were little people. But once they got a on the back of a horse, they these fellows, lived on horses. They never they got up in the morning, and they were on their horse first thing. And everywhere they went and everything they did, they were sitting on the horse. Well, they got so good at it, of course, that everybody got afraid of them. And, of course, they whooped the Mexicans.
The only thing they hated worse than, Anglos was the Mexicans. They hated them even worse because the Romanism they tried to put on them. Oh my lord. Yeah. It just got worse. Well, I'm diverted. We're getting back to the serpent seed doctrine. The serpent seed doctrine, it it, arose America some, spontaneously because it had been brought up before in her church history, but it rose spontaneously from the Parker Brothers. And they wrote a pamphlet about it, and what they said was that the serpent in the garden, the serpent, the dragon, the the reptilian. It's a better way to say it. The the Hebrew word doesn't always mean serpent. It means a a writhing reptilian and, scales and all that.
The word has that connotation too, shining one because of the scales. But they said that the serpent seduced our grandmother, Eve. And from that seduction, a sexual seduction, came the reptilian race. And, it went on from there, and there are different variations after that. Well, out of that then arose the doctrine. I don't follow this doctrine, by the way. I don't see the evidence of it in the Bible strong enough. But out of that arose the doctrine that there was a race of of humanoids before the race of Adam. A race of humanoids before the race of Adam. Mhmm. That race of humanoids are cursed.
Now that's their doctrine. Mhmm. Is there evidence for it in the Bible? And I've studied it pretty hard, Roger, since that time. I'll tell you what happened back when, Pete came to town, but I've studied the doctrine hard since that time, and I've got my eyes open on it because I had such an early contact with it. And, I'd I see a scant possibility, but it's just a scant possibility. I don't see in the language or the grammar that that can be true. But coming back to what happened in Mowiqua, the big city, the the one and only Mowiqua. There's another Indian name. Mowiqua, by the way, is the place, the first cattle drive. Get this. It's kinda funny.
The, the Mowiqua and Assumption. The place was Assumption. The first cattle drive that really amounted to anything was from Texas to New York City. I don't know why the history books don't teach this. It was a phenomenal feat. But what they wanted to do was get those longhorn cattle to the stockyards in New York. The Chicago stockyards hadn't come into the picture yet. And there was a fellow that drove, a large herd, a longhorn. They just gather them up. They're running by the millions, running free. It was easy pickings and drove them and stopped in Muwequa Assumption and let the cattle graze because the prairies there were so burdened. And he fattened them up again, and he knew he had another 800, 900, and however far it was a thousand miles ago for near a thousand miles to New York City. But he drove them right down the one of those main streets of New York City and took them to stockyards and made a fortune.
I forget his name. I've disremembered it. Wow. The stockyards in New York City.
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Guess what's built on guess what's built on that now?
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Oh, I see. Well, I yeah. I haven't looked into that. I boy, there's so much to know, and you can't know it all. Well, the Rockefellers owned it, and that's where the UN is now. Well, he made a fortune there. A lot of blood was shed. Yeah. Now how he how he got the that was quite a feat, Roger, to drive those cattle that far and keep them fat and happy the whole way, but he got the job done. I forget his name, just remember it. But coming back to the serpent seed. So, so I I I heard about, the meeting, and, it would have held a little church out in the country there. It's a it's a very rural prairie town.
I'm the richest dirt in the world there, as a matter of fact. The second largest John Deere dealership is there in that little place. If that tells you anything, the Sloan Brothers. Well, Pete came and he gave it what he called the identity message to the pastors there. And and I remember the response of one of them, and the other said the same well, my uncle said the same thing. I was pretty young then. Well, a lot younger I am now. Put it that way. I was a I was grown, but I felt like a boy until I was at least 55. But coming back to what they said, they said, look. This is the classic thing. Anything new comes up. These preachers will say, we're here to preach Jesus, and all this other stuff doesn't matter to us. That's pretty much what they told him. And, so he went away empty handed.
But what what I noticed was after that, and it got worse that and I went Pete's a nice guy. I'll say that. He's a really nice fella. I did I did get a chance to meet him personally, shake his hand for you. Yeah. I'm just friendly and kind and devoted to being a a pastor and helping people and counseling people. And he was the one that said, and I I like to hear this said too. He said, if you're gonna be a pastor of a church, you need to get some kind of training, something. And Pete did. You know, Pete graduated from University of Colorado, I believe, agriculture.
And then he he got the idea that, he ought to get some training. He felt the call, and he went to the a Bible college in Gary, Nebraska, I believe it was. I don't know if that Bible college is still there. And the way I get it, yeah, I think it's gone now. It didn't last long, but he got pretty good training from some pretty pretty biblically biblically based men. And Pete, if you couldn't show it to Pete in the Bible, he didn't wanna hear it, didn't wanna talk about it. Now can you say what more can be said about Christianity? I don't care whether you got a PhD from Harvard and Princeton or two of them or you're a cow puncher like Pete Peters, or you're just a jack legged preacher like the one I grew up with that was a homesteader from Oklahoma and didn't know never learned how to read till after he had grown.
But all of them had this in common. They said, if the Bible says it, I believe it, and that's the end of it. Yeah. If you if I can see the Bible says it. Well, Pete believed in his and he had to make the decision himself as all of us do. He believed that what he was teaching was true. And, and so I I admire and he did believe by the way, coming back to all the other things I would have disagreed with Pete about, he did believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah of God, God in human flesh, and he is the savior of his people. And notice I didn't say he's the savior of mankind. I don't see that anywhere in the Bible. It says he is the savior of his people, and his people are the elect. What's elect? That's a kleptos in the Greek New Testament. It means chosen, just means chosen.
And it's clear that, the Bible says that in Romans. I don't understand it. I just know it's true. Pete would he would study the Bible for himself, and he had enough gumption to do that and to stand upon his decisions. And my friend, I don't care who you are. When you get in front of Jesus Christ, and you will be in front of him, there are no ambiguity about that. And he says, why did you do this? Why did you do that? Why did you believe this? Why should I let you? Get this question. Why should I let you into my bliss? Why? And if you haven't got the right answer, you ain't coming in. Now if he does ask the question this is a hypothetical.
But if he says, why should I let you into my bliss, into my into my rest? Why? There's only one answer that counts. If you say, well, I tried to be a good guy. Well, no. That won't. You you can have a seat in that hand basket over there if that's what you're gonna say. Christianity is not a moral order. It is not a moral order. No. No. It is a providential order, and there's a big difference. Providential. That means God provides everything, Even your ability to make a choice. And even the choice you make, he provides that. And he impels you to that choice, even though you made the choice full fully of your own volition. That's what the Bible teaches.
But it is a providential order. You don't get into the family of God. You don't get into the kingdom of of God by being a good little boy or girl. And by the same principle, you don't get out by being a bad boy or girl. That's not the way it works at all, period. How does it work? You get in, you the the the justified man says the prophet shall live by trust. The justified man will live by trust, not by his works. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God. For by grace, by grace are you saved. I'm quoting Ephesians in the New Testament. By grace, that's a welcome, acceptance of God. Either he accepts you and welcomes you or he doesn't.
That is what saves you. You're saved. And then and then Paul says, and that welcome, not of yourselves. It is a gift from God. Not of works to drive the nail home into the coffin of the idea of salvation by morality. Not of works, lest any man should boast. I mean, if it if you were if you were if God saved you because you gained favor with him by doing good things, you could brag about it. But the Bible says you can't brag about it. Well, that's why the Primitive Baptist say we don't want anybody glorifying themselves. Well, I think that might be going a little too far, but, I get their point. We're not to glorify ourselves. God won't allow anybody to glorify himself, to toot his own horn.
Have have any of us ever been guilty of that? Oh, yeah. Yeah. We do it constantly. But bad works won't get you out. But you do have a new heart and a new mind if you're born of the spirit, and that is you want in the worst way to please your father. Yeah. Even though you don't, you screw up and and you do things and say things that just appall you. You can't believe you said or did what you said or did, in little ways and big ways, but that's not what that's Jesus Christ is the savior, my friend, not you. Get that out of your head. There's nothing you can do to help. Nothing in my hand I bring, only to thy cross I cling. Mhmm. Other refuge have I none hangs my helpless soul on thee, period.
So Pete Pete understood that. I went into a lot of detail to say that's what Pete understood. I've listened to him talk. I finally put it together. You know, even those of us that believe that, sometimes we'll say the opposite or say something that can be taken wrongly. I've heard Pete I've heard Pete do that. So, anyway, he came. Here's what happened, though. So I was pastoring this church in Terre Haute, Indiana, just a little church. We were meeting in the Methodist building on the campus there at, Indiana State University where that's where Larry Bird played college ball, by the way.
Roger. Just put it on the map for you. Terre Haute, Indiana. He went down to Bloomington. He was there for two weeks, and he got a scholarship to play there. You know, Knight was the coach, and Larry left. He just disappeared, and they couldn't figure out where he went. And a businessman, couple of businessmen from Terry Hote went down to French Lick to find him. And his mother said, well, he's out working on the trash truck. He was working they call him a sanitation expert. That means he was working on the trash truck down there.
Okay. Six feet ten inches tall. Can you believe that? I've I've seen the guy. I've been standing next to him. It's it's phenomenal how big men can get. Well Unbelievable. Can you imagine that he could just throw the trash right up into the top of the dump truck? You know? He didn't have to have a lift to get it up there. Well, they went down and tried to talk him into coming to see, that was, University of Indiana, Bloomington. Well, he didn't like it there. You know, that's a left wing wacko kind of a university town down there. It's in the what they call part of the Ozark Hills of, Indiana, but it's, it's a hotbed of well, that's where the Kinsey you know, the sex pervert came to. Yeah. He was from University Indiana.
Okay. Well, then he had other people like Hoagy Carmichael. Remember him? Very he was a a musical guy. Yeah. Stardust. Remember Stardust? Yeah. Yeah. Some of those songs. And, Heart and Soul. What? No. Did he write Heart and Soul? No. That was Ella Fitzgerald or something. Anyway, he wrote a lot of famous songs, and he was good and a nice guy, but but it was that kind of an artsy kind of a place. You know? And, he couldn't stand it. So, being the hick from French Lick as they say. So they went down and said, come here. Terry Hote. Terry Hote is the is the the armpit of Indiana, and it really is. It's the biggest it's the biggest you know, the railroad union started in Terry Hote because of the coal trains coming through there. Railroad union. And the I can tell you one thing about Terre Haute. The six in my mind, the RCA pressing and shipping was, out of there because all the RCA records always came from They had that's the post office was shipping that stuff. That's right, Roger.
So much when the records were big that the post office built a special annex for RCA.
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That's right. Yeah. So you used RCA Center.
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Oh, man. Well
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oh, go ahead. Which, of course, is started by a guy named Sarnoff.
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You know all about him. There's a lot of history there. I used to live just a few blocks from where that was on that side of town, out by Rose Hallman. Sarnoff said, I don't get ulcers. I give them. Oh, boy. And then Tony Hallman, you know, the owner of the Indianapolis five hundred, he lived in Terre Haute and owned he owned a half downtown. You just spit on sidewalk Terre Haute without us asking to get permission from Tony. I mean, I mean, he ran things with an iron fist. You didn't open up a business. You didn't. Oh, I could tell you a story. And he he's pretty rough about it. You know? He had his thugs. But he owned Calabrio Baking Powder Company. Oh, okay. Got you. Money. Calabrio downtown.
I do like to tell the story of his grandpa, though. This is a true story. His grandpa was an immigrant from Germany. And if you go to the Calabrio Baking Powder Company on the corner of Seventh And Wabash, Seventh And Wabash is called the Crossroads Of America. Seventh And Wabash, that's where the Kremlin Road, intersects the main road going east and west. But and we that's where we met for church. That was right right near the campus when we were in that old, Methodist campus house there. Well, his granddad up on, he can go in the old building there where they had the old generator. It's not a museum, but it's a gathering place. That's where they have the today, they have the the farmer's market in there. It's a great big place. He lets them have the farmer well, he he's not around anymore, but lets them have the farmer's market indoors when it's raining. Well, on the on the wall in there, that's right in the center of town, Seventh Wabash.
On the on the wall there, is a letter that his granddad wrote back to in the back to Germany to his brother. And the letter says, you got to come to America right now. You right now. He said, I can't believe it. He said, I can say anything I want. That was a big draw. Freedom of speech, you see. Sure. Are we losing it? Let's let's take inventory here, friends. Political correctness is not a joke. It's sick. It'll destroy us. Well They're they're trying to destroy it with antisemitism laws now. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Coming back to that silliness. Well, so we're at this church in Terre Haute and this movement, there was a fellow in the church who was a a, a, herbicide salesman salesman from Monsanto out of Saint Louis.
And at that time, he was making about $40 a year, and that was quite a bit of money. Yes. So he was funding me on the radio. I was on a local radio station and, just doing a lot of things because he had more money than others. And and, he finally said, well, you know, he a long time. He was an elder. And the long time passed, he said, you know, I'm my identity and I follow Pete Peters. I said, you do? He said, yeah. I said, well, I don't know nothing about that. What when I say that the movement draws an unsavory, it gives you know, you'd start talking about antisemitism and you'll you'll get all the riffraff out there that are dangerous.
As like Sam Johnson said, not all of them, but a lot of them. Like Sam Johnson said, the patriot crowd, the pay patriotism is the last refuge of a scandal. Right. And it is. And I see in the patriot movement, it draws dangerous people. It can. And I don't wanna be around them. What's that? It can. Yeah. And I'm not my friends are in it. I'm not all of them, but I just say the devil works very hard to get him in there. Well, this fellow was in there with us, and then he revealed to me that. And I said, well, what do you believe? I I thought I better ask some questions here. And to come to find out, he did not believe in the he didn't accept the biblical doctrine of the personality of the spirit of God. And we've had people come on here that have said that, and that's something that I won't negotiate.
No. The spirit of God has personality. The Bible's clear. You can see it. He has mind, will, and emotion. All three. Do not grieve the spirit, the Bible says, and talks about the spirit deciding this and that. And, he has mind. He has a will. He has emotion. He is a person. I don't he doesn't always he doesn't support a body body, of course, as we can see, but he does have those three, and he's part of the godhead. And there are a lot of people that reject that and, k, in the face of what I I see in the Bible is clear evidence. But, I don't say I can explain it. I don't have to explain it. There's no contradiction to it. It may be unexplainable.
Well, he told me that he didn't. Now that got me to set to thinking. I said, now what I'm gonna do? And then I found out he wanted watch this, Roger. And there are people in the identity movement like this. You know, the fellow that was tapped into to, to, manage and run the campaign of Pat Buchanan for president, he had well, Pat's sister I had run for congress, and Pat's sister called me and said, we want you to be involved in what we're doing. And I I was so beat up from what happened, and, like, by the way, it got worse for me after that. They, they came after me hard.
But I was beat up, and I was tired. I said, I what was her name? I don't remember. She She was a nice lady. I said, I just can't do it. Well, Pat Babe Buchanan. Babe. Babe. Right, Joe? Joe? Thank you, Joe. No. Babe. And she was a sweetheart of a gal, and it was kind of a family thing, and that was a nice deal. And Pat, you know Was it
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Babe or was it Bae?
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Bae. Wasn't
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it? I think it was b a y.
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Something like that. I don't remember. It was b a y.
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And she was one smart cookie too. Yeah. Yeah. And and and she was personal. I mean, she called me personally. And, I said, well, I just I just can't do it. I'm I'm wore out after doing all that. And, so Pete saw the madness of what was going on just like we see see today and have seen. And he said, we gotta do something. And he he organized a big meeting in Colorado. And he asked Larry Pratt, he is the founder of Gun Owners of America, the only, you know, the only we've had him on this show. You really have had. Yeah. Full two hour full hour one day. Yeah. And he his son now runs Gun Owners of America. And, he asked, Larry to come and speak at that meeting, and Pete had organized it. But there were a lot of people there that weren't part of the identity movement.
And, Larry Pratt was one of them. Larry Pratt's a confessional Presbyterian. A very solid man in far as Christianity goes. And by the way, he's married to a Latino woman, I believe, from South America. Yeah. I think so. He's not a racist. You know, he's, clearly. Well, they asked him to speak, and he had already, Pat Buchanan had already asked, Larry Pratt to manage his presidential campaign. And, Larry had agreed to do it because Larry understood politics. He started an organ an organization called English First. They did a very good job with that, trying to say we we have to have English as our language or we'll lose our culture. Well, he's absolutely right. You gotta have a language. You gotta have one that is Maine. You know? And then, he also then started gun owners of America because he saw that, the, National Rifle Association was thoroughly compromised, and I I can say that's true. And what they did to me was unconscionable.
They they don't support men that support second amendment if it's not well, they just don't. It's a complicated set of processes they use, but they've learned to just keep the money coming in and make it look like they're doing the right thing, but they aren't. But they keep those millions coming in. How can you give that up? See? When I was running for office, they had a woman named Tanya Mataska in charge of the National Rifle Association, and she was a flaming lesbian. And it got worse from there. Maybe they've, cleaned things up. I don't know. I don't care. I'm not involved in that anymore. But, Larry, then they got out the the the powers that be got after Larry for coming to that meeting and speaking.
But what Pete Peters wanted to do, he said, we got a lot to do here, man. It's we gotta step up to the plate. That's our job as men. We gotta do something. Things are out of hand, the gun control, the abortion, all that stuff, and you name it. Big government, encroachment upon property rights, and so he wanted to get together. Well, that's what scared the BGBs out of the evil empire and the useful idiots of it. And so they jumped on Larry and said, oh, you're a racist, and you're a part of the identity movement, and they're all, Nazis and skinheads. Well, that's not true either. But it does draw that element, and I It can. It can, and it does a lot. I it how do you keep that stuff out? Do you well, here's what happened in in our little church out there in the middle of nowhere and Terry Hote.
So he told me he was not a Trinitarian. Well, that's important to Christianity, and I'll go to the mat on that one. He wasn't. And then he got revealed to me that he was all for the armed takeover, the takeover, the ousting of the general government by force of arms. Well, I'm not for that. I wanna avoid that at all cost. It could come to that at some point. It has before. That's how our country started. I understand all that. But you don't if there are other remedies available, you take those because the wholesale murder of and taken to men's lives is serious business.
And God tells us very clearly how to approach that problem and when to enter war. And the Bible sets out the rules. It's not a bunch of rabble rousers who wanna grab their guns because the second amendment says they can and go do what they want. No. That's not the way it works. And God certainly hope mister Trump is here in that side of the argument. Yeah. God does not bless that. God does bless the use of the militia, and that's why we teach it and we get in the use of the posse comitatus under the authority of the sheriff. All those things are true, but that's not what this guy was teaching. Well, that was my second, now third experience and what the church has historically called in the Latin, unfortunately, excommunication.
I don't call it that, but that does get the point across. And so we the other elders met. There were two other elders we met, and I said, here's what I think we need to do in this case. This guy's not Christian. And he's a he's, wants to talk about the armed force overthrow of the government. And I cited in church history the experience of John Bunyan. John Bunyan was the Puritan and the author of Pilgrim's Progress. Probably the, yeah, the highest the the best selling book, beside the King James Bible in the history of the English culture, Pilgrim's Progress.
And he was a Puritan preacher, and he was, looking for somebody who, like we all are, we're looking for kindred spirits. We want to have camaraderie with those who agree with us fundamentally, and he was looking for that. And he got involved with an offshoot of the Puritan movement. You know, the Puritan party, took over parliament. Only in England was the reformation of church and government. Only in England. And the re not on the continent, but in England because of the common law tradition, which the Christian tradition it was. Well, he got hooked up with what was called the Fifth Monarchy Movement. He had some friends in it, and he went to a meeting in London.
A meeting. Well, when they tried John Bunyan for his life, they brought up that he had been to that meeting. And the fifth monarchy movement enter, ended in slaughter of many people. The government slaughtered many people, because they were advancing the overthrow of the government that God was coming to England and was going to establish, his government, and it was time for them to take up arms. And and they were they held a large meeting of thousands, and many were slaughtered. And then they tried John Bunyan for his life, and they brought that up, his connection, his friends. Fortunately, he was acquitted, but it was a close call.
And I speak as a man that has had that kind of a close call. I wasn't tried for my life, but I was facing nine years in prison, for reasons that weren't good. It had to do with politics. I find it funny. The other day, George Ryan passed away. George Ryan was the governor in Illinois that, put a moratorium on the death penalty because he's he told the the courts and the legislature that as an independent branch of government, he didn't care who the the court sent him. He wasn't gonna execute anybody. That's his job, and he's not gonna do it until they begin proving to him that due process was followed in the cases of murder.
And he said, clearly, I've reviewed all of these cases of men on death row, and you've railroad them. And most of them then this wasn't really relevant. But on the other hand, it was true. Most all of them were, not white were nonwhite, to put it bluntly. And he said, he didn't bring that up, but it was true. But he said, I'm not gonna execute them. And next thing you know, Jordan Ryan, without any calls at all, is thrown in federal prison for five years. That didn't happen just that quick, but they found a way to get him. And the fellow I'd ran against for Congress was the one behind it. He ran for governor and, and he of of that of that state, and, he lost.
And that was his revenge to George Ryan. Well, there were three of us, Tom DeLay of Texas, myself, and George Ryan. Tom DeLay of Texas, a minority leader of the House of Representatives called the hammer of Congress, He he was indicted in Texas in state court, but indicted. He was forced to leave Congress. And, for ten years, they tried to get him thrown in jail. Finally, the case wound its way to the Supreme Court of Texas, and the Texas just summarily threw it out. That's how empty it was, but kept him tied up for ten years and about $10,000,000
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in legal fees. Was that the Bush faction that was doing that? Was that the Bush faction that was doing that? Do you know? Yeah. They were part of it. Sure.
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But he was a man who was, really pushing try he was getting into the deep state. Mhmm. And he was he here's what Tom they called him the hammer. And the reason they called him the hammer, people would walk into his office, the majority leader there in the house, his office, the big office, right where you walk in the back door. You know, the back door is the door everybody goes in. And the front door like like the front porch of some people's houses, nobody uses it. You know, they go in the side door. Well, that's kinda the way it was there. And his office to the left and in the back. Well, he he, people come in and want this or want that, and he'd say, look.
This is not church. I'm a Christian man, but this isn't church. This is government. And there's a difference between the two. And so what what makes the people that are in church run if they wanna get involved in politics, it's matter of money. This is government, and the governments of this world run on money. And if there is no money, this is the material side of things. If there is no money, I can't do anything. So have have you donated to what we're doing here? You gotta have money. We if we're gonna have people that stay in office, we have to persuade the people that, that we should stay in, and it's our job to do that, and that cost a lot of money.
You heard me say in my congressional run, we spent right at a million dollars. That was well, it's a lot of money. Well, that's the way you do it. And you say, well, that's ridiculous. No. It's not ridiculous. It's my job if I run for office to get the word out. It's not people's job to come to me. They're out trying to scratch and make a living and keep government off their backs. It's my job to go to them. I have to go Just
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to frame a reference of the audience, Brent ran with Newt Gingrich's contract on America. Helen Chenoweth was in that class. Helen Chenoweth. Yeah. From Idaho. Yes. And, some other notables.
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Lindsey Graham, I believe you said was in that class. Right? Lindsey Graham and I used to sit on the platform together in Washington DC at political meetings. And he was just like me. The difference between him and me was he got in and I did. Now who who There's other there's other differences too, but Yeah. But for the sake of argument. I'll tell you who who's been affected most negatively here? Yeah. Well, anyway, the light in the loafers, they say. Maybe it was before. I don't know. But, getting back to I don't know where I left off. Oh, we're talking about Tom Delay and Tom Tom, they called him the hammer. He was making an effect. So there was George Ryan.
George Ryan was the the man back in my neck of the woods that supported me, and they wouldn't even I was delegate to the state convention that when Bob Dole ran or well, Bob Dole ran for president Yeah. And they introduced everybody. And they had they'd come running up the aisle and make a big speech to all the candidates for state office, all the candidates for, US Congress. And I was sitting on a pile of crates where the people walked in. They'd introduced everybody, and George Ryan came up. It was his turn when they introduced him to go up front. And he looked over me. He said, Brent, he said, didn't they introduce you?
I said, no. They didn't. He just kinda said, And I just sat back there watching the whole thing. Well, when it came time for George Ryan, the night before the election, it's just I wish I could put all this in a book. Night before the election, the Republican party had spent hundreds of thousands. I don't know million. I don't know how much they spent, but they ran a lot of television ads against me, Republican party. And, Newt Gingrich supported me, but the Republican party did not. It was odd. And then, I the guy in my camp my campaign manager said, he's the one that I told him if if I ever get so I like you, I'm gonna fire you. You know, it was that kind of relationship.
I want him to be tough. Well, day before the election, he said, get out of here and don't talk to any newspaper reporters or and just go out and go to restaurants. And there were 27 counties. It was a big rural district, so I took off and just had fun that day. And I went down to this little restaurant down near Cairo, Illinois, and I knew the family there, the staunch Republicans. And they had they had the prettiest daughters, Roger. And they were all teenage girls, and they worked in the restaurant of waitresses. And boy, did he do the business. It was kinda funny. And everybody wanted either to marry his daughters or to to get, get to the daughters to marry their sons or their you know, it was that kind of a place. And, that's where everybody gathered in that neck of the woods. And so I went down there, and it was a good place to to talk to people and reassure them and all that. And and, they were strong strong conservatives.
And then one of them said, were you gonna be at the big meeting tonight? Well, I didn't know there was a big meeting that night because they never told me any of the party didn't include me. I had to do it myself. But people supported me. See? Well, like I say, we spent a million dollars if people were giving me money. Well, I said, no. I don't know about to meet. Oh, yes. At the airport, the big airport. Well, down there was a big airport, and they're having in the big hangar on the airport. And, and you ought to go to it. I said, oh, yeah. I'll go just because I wanna see the the excitement. So I went to the airport, and, I got in the big hangar, and the place was packed around the walls. I mean, there were thousands upon thousands of people there. And And right in the middle, they had a big platform they built for the purpose, and the newspaper, or the television station from Paducah, Kentucky, and the television stations from St. Louis and East St. Louis, and the television stations from Evansville, Indiana, and all those places down there, all around there. There were no television stations in my district, by the way. It was all around me.
Terre Haute had television. Twenty twenty seven counties that it wasn't a TV station? Yeah. 27 counties. They back in DC, I went back to DC, and I'd go back there for fundraising stuff. And the people say, well, you're from, you're from the Hollow Quarter. I said the Hollow Quarter, what's that? Oh, that's, the Southeast quarter of the state, and nobody lives there. So you have to have a lot of counties to make up the required number of, constituents. You know? Anyway, I went down to and I'm standing. They had a roped off place fixed where the governor, governor Ryan, or he was running for governor, could walk through the crowd and the crowd wasn't allowed in there and they had police officers standing along, you know, not let people where the governor would make his his fashionably late entrance, you know.
And, here he come. And everybody was clapping and screaming and I'm thousands of people. And I I'm standing there and he, he saw me and he said, Brent, he said, you come with me. And he grabbed me by the hand and he had his wife and his children. And by the way, he was Plymouth brethren. His wife was Plymouth brethren. I believe he was staunch Bible believers. They were. And I didn't agree with their particular eschatology, but that's what George was. And I said, you want me to come? He said, you come with me. And boy, I didn't hesitate. I went with him and went up on the stage with his family. And it was just me and his family up there. Wow. And he was standing beside me and they were bowing, holding hands, and bowing all the stuff politicians do. And and he said he leaned over and he said, I want you to introduce me like that. He I said, well, I wouldn't have say no.
And, and, boy, the excitement was over the top. That happens in politics. Doesn't mean a lot, but it's a lot of fun when you're in it. It doesn't last. But, he sent me up the microphone, and I all I said was, who do you think is gonna be the next governor? And, boy, they then they started screaming. I said, I thought that's what you'd say, and here he is. And he walked up, and and, then he got him even more excited. Well, George Ryan was for me. That's what I'm saying. And and, Tom DeLay was for me, and he came and did fundraisers for me. And all three of us, get this, us three men were indicted by a grand jury.
Now when you I didn't I didn't think of that about that till later. I knew it was true. I was so trying to step and fetch and protect myself and take care of my family in the midst of the madness. And that was after politics, see. But they weren't gonna have him or me or that's the clear message. They don't say that. Well, we went after those three guys because they're the that wasn't it. All three of us went. And the neighbor just across the Ohio to the South, the Congressman there, Congressman White, he wasn't, he was with me, but he was indicted as well.
He was indicted and he went in front of a well, no, I'm sorry. He was not indicted. He was under investigation of a grand jury for nothing. And he was the first Republican congressman from the Western District Of Kentucky. And he ran in the primary. He ran against a a a Democrat who crossed over to run against him to try to bump him out. You know, that's the way it worked, but it didn't work. That was the of course, the beginning back in then was we were just getting into the the beginning of the ending of the solid Democrat South, the solid Democrat South. When I was growing up, us baby boomers remember, all across the South, you didn't run as a Democrat in those areas for dog catcher to president, you didn't get elected.
That's the way it was. And from Texas clear to Georgia across there. And, my mother's family were part of that, but they were a culture. And what they believed in, Roger, was states' rights. Yes. States' rights. Yeah. We've been fighting that battle since the civil war. Go ahead. That's what it was. It was the civil war. It didn't get away. They believed in the state's rights. And then Hubert Humphrey came along in 1968 running for president, and he made that famous speech. And he says it's time that the Democratic party stepped out of the shadow of states' rights and into the full sunlight of human rights.
That split that spells the shift of the Democrat party and why it is what it is today. Human rights. Well, wait a minute. Human rights? The Bible never mentions human rights. What are human rights? That's rights that humans say you have and they say they can take. And whoever has the right to give has the power to take. Because the rights we'd talked of before in our country were those dispensed only from God, the maker of heaven and earth. That's the difference, friends. It's the difference between civil rights and fundamental rights. Mhmm. Fundamental rights come from God and they come direct to the person. Mhmm. Civil rights are those human rights. Mhmm. And from that point from that point, when Hubert Hubert Humphrey said that, began the serious hardcore journey of the Democratic Party into full blown madness.
Yeah. Once you once you take God out of the equate once you take out the maker of heaven and earth out of the equation, and there is, then there is no responsibility of men outside themselves, my friends. You, if there is no responsibility of men outside themselves, they will be tyrants and perverts beyond your wildest nightmare. If you I think we're seeing that. Yeah. We're seeing it. It was clown town, worse than clown town under Biden. There were nothing but sex perverts, thieves, and murderers. They murder their own. They just murdered two politicians up in Minnesota of their own that didn't tow their line the way they want them to. Was it two? I don't know how many. Some. No. They killed two and wounded two. Let yeah. Let me say again, friends. If you do not acknowledge a power beyond mankind that is greater than mankind, there is nothing beyond mankind to stop him and his evil. And you, my friend, you, and me, of course, are fundamentally depraved.
And that taint of depravity can work into madness. That's why we say things like in America, but for the grace of God, there go I. Yes. And if you say anything else about yourself, you're not taking the Christian, the biblical point of view. You are a sinner. You are a sinner. And your problem is not your sins, your law breaking. Your problem is sin, singular, and your taint of imperfection that can grow into a monster. And there's only one thing that will check that. And that one not thing. That one person that will check that is the person of God himself, the father, the son, and the spirit.
And all three of them play a role in checking that. And the Bible says when you're born of the spirit, the spirit of God, the person of the spirit of God inhabits your body. He inhabits the organ of your brain, your heart. He fills fills out your body. That's power, friends. And with that power, you have that on the inside. Is that, Joe?
[01:16:22] Unknown:
I'm not sure who that was. I think it was female. Yes, ma'am. That was Lisa, and I didn't wanna interrupt your role. I just wanted to get in here before it goes too far out. There is an I in sin.
[01:16:34] Unknown:
What's that? Say again? There is an I in sin. Oh, I see. Nice. Yeah. Help you remember. That's good. Yeah. Thank you, Lord. All about it's selfishness. Fundamental sin is selfishness. How do I fill my lusts? The lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the vain glory of life. I want better than glory. Yeah. It's also ego. Well, ego that ego is I. So that's good, Roger. We talk about ego. Ego is the Greek word that means I. Really? Yeah. And so in the Bible, when Jesus says I, I am, The Greek is ego, a me. Ego, I, me. The whole the unholy trinity, me, myself, and I.
Oh, we may as well laugh, but we're not God help us, Roger. We're not snatched from the jaws of hell and the devil himself. We're not snatched from that. We don't do ourselves. No man can do that. Jesus Christ does that a 190%. We don't have a thing in it. His volition, his choice, his welcome, the birth from above is not the choice of the child. The birth from above, it wasn't the choice of the child when you were born in the flesh, and it's not the ultimate choice of the child. What happens? What what choice do you make? Well, the Bible said, what really happens is you come to recognize that you've been born from above and you think that you've made the choice. Did you? Yes. You did. You agreed with God at that point. You did make a but you have no volition, my friends.
You have no volition to choose good before the new birth. You only have volition, the choice between evils. That's all you have. That's what the Bible teaches. And after the new birth, you come to read man. One minute. I'll finish this, and then you can. You come to thank you for, asking. One minute. Here I know you're here's when the winner's gonna give me an opening to say something. You got It's hard. You did pretty good. Out front of him. Let me finish my thought. Just like a baby comes to self realization and recognizes he has a hand and he looks at his mother and he begins to have self consciousness. As when you're born from above, you when you're first born from above, I don't it's clear from the Bible using the analogy Jesus Christ uses. You don't know it. That's why he analogized the new birth to the birth from your mother the first time. But then you come to realize it, and then you acknowledge it, and you agree with God. That's your choice.
You do. I think the Bible does teach you. You can you can throw that out at that point, maybe. That's Hebrews chapter six. But, somebody wants to make a comment. Go ahead. I believe it was Joe.
[01:19:20] Unknown:
No. This is Bob. Oh, it's Bob. Hey, Bob. I was I was using Joe's line comment as opposed to my usual. But, anyway, Brent, going back fifteen, maybe twenty minutes, you were talking about the second amendment in terms of people talking to the idea that, you know, well, it grants us the right to, you know, grab up arms against the government, etcetera. And you said, you you didn't qualify. Of course, I know you are well aware of it, but just to bring it up, it doesn't grant it. Number one, it just enshrines it, if you will. And secondarily, it doesn't even it it doesn't even say that. As you're well aware, it's talking about a well regulated militia.
And, of course, a bunch of guys grabbing guns and unhauling butt to go do something may or may not be a well regulated militia if it's not, under some authority, etcetera, etcetera. So, yeah, it's not just a bunch of guys grabbing guns and going to take care of business. Even though that it may take that form, there is order as you're well aware.
[01:20:28] Unknown:
Just wanted to make that comment. I'm glad you did because, no, I can't say everything. I I what I do say raises a lot of questions in people's minds at every point if their if their brain's in gear, and I I want you to yeah. That helps. But, coming back to the point, we'd said that last week, and then time flies, but I remember saying, just the keeping and carrying of weapons, will keep the evil empire in check. That's what God says. The Bible says that. Our second amendment is, those four clauses of our constitution. Our second amendment is just the last of those four clauses. They all go together very well. And, by the way, if you're interested in that, I, unabashedly, unashamedly promote the course that sheriff Darleaf and I taught on the sheriff at common law, the posse comitatus at common law, the power of the county, and the Militia Clauses. We taught that was the most popular class we taught.
Had more people take that class. It's in the can. You can go watch it, audio and visual. I suggest it to you and also get the book. The by yours truly called the it's about the militia clauses of our constitution and shows also, I tried to show in there, that this is all consonant with the Bible. Our our constitution is a brief of of common law government. The the part of that slice of our common law that applies to government. And that means, therefore, that it is our common law tradition is consonant with the Bible. I like the word consonant. That means it's not the Bible. It's not inerrant, but it is our observations of the processes that are fair and how government is supposed to work.
How's government supposed to work? The militiamen are to be armed. That's how government that's one of the ways government works. As long as we're armed, we don't have to be violent. We don't have to try to to charge the Bastille with pitchforks like they did in France. That's not the point. That was a bad mistake. That would get a lot of people killed or join the the fifth monarchy movement like Bunyan when a lot of people got slaughtered there or the iconoclastic movement in Saxony during the days of Luther, and a lot of people got slaughtered there. Although that's not the way God is not in for riots, my friends. He's not for storming the government with pitchforks and guns. That has never worked, by the way. In the history of mankind, that has never worked. Remember that famous, movie about the slaves in in, Spartacus or something about the slaves and or what's the name of it? Kirk Douglas was he organized the slaves in a revolt. That never works.
No. Slaves in history, we see this. Slaves have to have a deliverer. There isn't a malumission. There is no such thing as exiting slavery by force of arms, of your of yourself. You must have a deliverer. That's what happened in Egypt. They were enslaved. They had a deliverer. And God sent deliverers. Patton's army was a deliverer to those enslaved in the camps in in, in, Germany. And I've talked to men who were in those camps, and they said we I had the privilege of attending the POW reunion of all the flyers, at the German prison camp. And, family member was in one of them, so he asked me if I wanted to come. What an experience just talking to those fellas. And they about when Patton's tanks just come crashing through the barbed wire, the barbed wire, as they say at home, and, they had to deliver.
If you're and you, my friend, all of us were at one time, hope you aren't now enslaved to ourselves, enslaved to our flesh, enslaved to sin, the breaking of God's law, the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, the vainglory of life. And there's no getting out of that. You can't do that. Discipline will not get you out of it. You may know what's right. It still won't get you out of it. You may get yourself on a regimen to try to stop doing the things you're doing. It won't work. It won't work. You may be able to do it for a while, but you won't persist because as Bagot says, the common lawyer of ancient or more ancient times, you can know what's right, but if you don't have the power to overcome it, it won't happen.
It won't persist. And that power to overcome it is the spirit of God living in your body, in your organs, in your mind, invading your body, he'll discipline you. That's where the discipline comes from. He will do it. Question. He will deliver you. Go ahead.
[01:25:03] Unknown:
Brent, you do know that in about five minutes we're coming up on the bottom of the second hour. In about five minutes, you know I'm gonna nag you to talk about commonlawyer.com
[01:25:11] Unknown:
some more. Right? You know that? Oh, it's fine. Yeah. No. I appreciate it. Listen. I'm old enough. I'm not looking for any any, pass on the back much. It's nice to get them, but I do recognize that's not what's important. And what's important is that I take the two things that God says will last forever. The two things that God says will last forever. And those two thing, number one, the word of God. The the flower fades and the grass withers, but the word of God stands forever, says the Bible. The other thing that lasts forever are God God's creatures, men. They last forever. They will last forever in bliss with him, or they will last forever in torment in hell, but they will last forever.
So I'll take those two things that I know last forever. Everything else is gonna go up in flames, new heaven and new earth, but, those two things last forever. And if I could put those together or help facilitate putting those two together, then I've done something worthwhile. So help us doing that. When you take the courses, and there are about a dozen common law courses there you can take at commonlawyer.com. When you take them, number one, you get something out of it. You can pass on to other people. Maybe something. Number two, you you encourage us and support us in what we're doing because we have increasingly put more of our time into this. And I still I'm not gonna be dissuaded. I don't think at this point, the spirit of God impels me. The spirit of God in me impels me to do what I'm doing. I don't take credit for it. Not at all.
If, my policy ought to be, and I recommend this to you, somebody else gets the credit, I get the enjoyment, and God gets the glory. And that's the Christian life in a nutshell. So I give credit. There's Paul here, and there's Roger invited me on, and the and, of course, Paul English helped put this thing up and keep it going. I'm more probably people on you listening, You have had people that take the courses, join with us. Take the courses. You get a maybe something you want, and that keeps us going. And you can help put those two things together. What lasts forever? Men and the word of God. The laws of nature and the laws of nature's God. We're teaching a course coming up on the July 10, comparative law, comparing and contrasting our law of the land, our common law with the law of the city, the canon civil laws of Rome, comparing and contrasting the fundamental level. And with that, you get the digital form of the comparative law text, excellence of the common law, all 958 pages whereby we compare and contrast the law of the land with the law of the city beginning at the settling of the city of Babylon and carrying it on up through every continent and every age, and then right here in America and coming to the fundamentals and what we're to do about it. And why that's the most important thing we can recognize is the difference of between the law of the land and the law of the city, which governs every country in the world. The law of the city governs every country in the world except the handful of common law countries.
And there is no opportunity, no opportunity for freedom in those countries. I don't care what the world tells you. It's a damnable lie. There is no freedom of speech in Sweden, my friends. There is no guaranteed freedom of speech in South America or all the communist bought countries. Why? They're under the code of Justinian, the canon civil laws of Rome, we call them today, the canon civil laws of Rome. And that's a a dual name that's given in the universities for people to study their lawyers and those we call them, lawyers and those, law of the city countries.
We're that's not our law here, friends. By the grace of God, the second greatest blessing we have in America is the laws of the laws of nature, our common law tradition. And the first greatest blessing we have is the Bible, the laws of nature's God as our declaration of 76 puts it. Well, take those courses. Go to commonlawyer.com, www.commonlawyer.com. Commonlawyer.com. Join us in the morning. In the morning, an hour earlier than now, go to commonlawyer.com. You can see where to click on the link to join us for church in the morning. We're going through books of the Bible, clause by clause and blow by blow.
Tomorrow's Saturday. We're in first Peter. First Peter. And he, of course, is, one of the members of that 12 man jury given his verdict. And then we're in the book of Exodus, the law of God, the as Moses was used to pass it on to us. We're going through that. Jesus Christ quotes from the law of God, the book of Deuteronomy, a matter of fact, more than any other book. He came to establish his law, and that's the reason he has given us the new birth from above that he may establish his law and his people. We're lawless before, and we were contrary to the law of God, the Bible says, dead, utterly dead, and our sins are breaking of his law.
So I commend that to you. Commonlawyer.com. Thank you, Paul and Roger. Commonlawyer.com.
[01:30:17] Unknown:
Yeah, man. Great. Did you did you promote the upcoming comparison comparative class?
[01:30:24] Unknown:
Just a little. Yeah. Go and take that comparative law class. That's fundamental. I've been looking forward to teaching this for a long time. That's the one we wrote the book about and we've focused on all these years. I think it starts in July at some point. Stay tuned or go to a common lawyer. Yes. Who's trying to say something?
[01:30:39] Unknown:
Yep. No. It's Larry.
[01:30:41] Unknown:
We have a question for Brent. Actually, two questions. Can you go over again? I think we talked about a couple of months ago. Is there a difference or does does does the thing exist called a statutory trust or are they all common law trusts? And then the second question is, one of the big concerns with a lot of students is once they get out of the IRS, they're they're you know, some students might have a fear that the IRS might come after them in a couple of years. And so, therefore, they learn about trusts, and then they they put their property in a trust, their home, their car. And, you know, in in an effort to protect them from the IRS, confiscating the property.
So does that property, if if a student puts their property in a trust, does that have to, be in that trust for a certain period of time like so many years before it's it's, like, considered untouchable by the by some entity coming after them?
[01:31:45] Unknown:
Larry, could I add that all trust stuff's put in there for financial estate planning purposes only?
[01:31:55] Unknown:
Was that a part of the question, Ron? No. I'm answering them. But instead of saying they're doing this to protect from IRS, it's for financial planning. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. That's a good distinction, Roger. I'm glad you brought that up. Well, let me ask you this, Larry. Have you taken the course? The trust course. No. But I'm, trying to get together with Paul to take it. I was gonna make that suggestion. I think Paul, have you talked to anybody yet from our organization? Well, he's not he maybe he's clicked off. You're right. No. He's chasing he's chasing
[01:32:28] Unknown:
something. He's chasing buttons. No. He's chasing buttons. Where did you? Not Lisa. I wasn't chasing Lisa. I wanna be clear about that. I was chasing buttons. Well, good. Thank you. My mute. So, I no. I I have put out the, clarion call. I've got about eight or nine people that are ready to jump in with both feet, and I just connected with Francine on found
[01:32:57] Unknown:
this morning. So, yes, things are moving forward. They're moving ahead. Okay. Well, thank you, Larry. And, get together with Paul. Apparently, you've got that under your belt. I'll just say quickly, during the Clinton and, like, I need to answer your question. The answer to your question is, the look back period of of five years, sixty months, only applies if you're if you end up going to a nursing home. That's a blunt way to put it and explain it would take a long time. No sense trying to do that now. But Bill Clinton said, if you move, your wealth into a trust or an LLC or anything else, and then go to a nursing home before five years have elapsed, you're not eligible for any federal funds that may help keep you in that nursing home. That's a blunt way to put it. There's more to it than that, but that's fundamentally what it amounted to. He pushed that through. Well, that's ridiculous law as a crazy woman like Janet Reno, who was insane according to the Bible, said she would never prosecute grandma for doing that. And as far as I know, the general government in Washington, DC has never done that. They've never prosecuted people for that. But that doesn't mean that they won't. Just remember, whatever's on the books is a tool if they wanna use it. Yeah. And it and and history proves at some point, they will. Yep.
So, that's what that applies to, and there's more we could talk about. But, what I'm not interested in not talking about that as much. I'm interested in people understanding the fundamental of the trust arrangement. That's what people do all sorts of things with trust. And a lot of there's a lot of gurus on the Internet teaching the common law trust and all of and the things you mentioned make me realize you've been influenced by some of what they say, but it's for tax purposes and all that. That'll never work if you don't understand the trust. All I want all I want is to teach people and, again, to get what is a trust. It as one trust expert said, he wrote the lawyer's lawyer one of the lawyer's lawyer's books on trust, and he said, the trust is as mysterious to lawyers and judges and other people as mysterious as the doctrine of the trinity.
He was trying to make a point. What he was saying was, here, let's take the doctrine of the trinity. You cannot explain the doctrine of the Trinity sufficiently to satisfy man's intellectual curiosity. But it's not a contradiction, the doctrine of the Trinity. You can state the fact of it as the Bible presents it. There is no contradiction in it. Well, that's the way trusts are. You can't make them perfectly logical. No, sir. Logic's not the test of truth, my friends. And you can't make the trust logical because it's part of our common law tradition, and our common law tradition does not rest on logic. It rests on fact. And there's never been really a more fictional a more fictional thing than our common law tradition, but it produces liberty because it's just the fact of the matter. It's the way things are, and they ain't gonna change, and God made them that way. You see?
The civil law tradition tries to promote the idea that man can come up with law that is consistent and logical. But unfortunately, under those systems, all the communist systems use the code of Justinian of the Roman Empire. That's tyranny. The Roman church, the Greek Orthodox church uses it. That's tyranny. It's a government by a single will, and that's always tyranny and, cutting God out. That's the very definition of antichrist, antichristos, the preposition anti. But a trust is God's way of organizing His relationship with His people and with each individual of His people. A common law trust, that's what God set up in the beginning, and He follows that theme out throughout the Bible. That's why it's important to understand the common law trust. How can you really fully grasp, fully grasp your relationship with your maker?
Oh, you can have a relationship as a child, but of course, but then be disciplined by him and the spirit of God. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But to fully grasp what's going on without understanding the common law trust is not going to happen. And if your effectiveness and our forebears understood this, the Puritans, the Scotch Irish Presbyterians, they understood the trust settlement of God. They were the ones that had the greatest influence here. And they're the ones who out of whose culture or we're not out of whose culture we still maintain their culture. Don't tell me we don't. The rest of the world thinks we are prudes, insane. Why? Well, the Puritan influence is still here. That's why. And we don't see it. Boy, they see it. We can't believe you're this prudish in America.
That you worry about somebody getting oral sex in the Oval Office. We were really upset about that. They wouldn't have been upset about that in most other countries. That's just the way it's always been.
[01:37:44] Unknown:
Makes us upset, you see. I had a person from New Zealand even tell me that. Yeah. Well You know what was the upsetting part about that? What? It was the first time that subject matter had ever been brought to the American dinner table.
[01:37:57] Unknown:
Yes. That's what's bad about it because it desensitizes us to it and our children. And these folks that do this are working they're useful idiots, so the demons from hell. It's evil, friends. We're at war. And, yes, our children are to be protected and our wives and our daughters and our sensibilities as men even. We're not to talk about those things. Not in public. No.
[01:38:24] Unknown:
Question.
[01:38:25] Unknown:
God help us. Chivalry seems to be dead, doesn't it? That's a that's a Christian thing. Let's hope not. Joe?
[01:38:34] Unknown:
Could we circle back the ways I've been trying to get in, and I just haven't been able to. Can we go back to second amendment issue?
[01:38:44] Unknown:
I'm willing to, Joe, if if Roger is willing to. It's okay with me, Joe. Well, you got a specific on that you'd like to Yes. I do. Yes. I do. In on? Well Yes, sir. I do. I'm Claire Boynton. It's it's it's a question. It's a question, and I like both of your opinion.
[01:39:00] Unknown:
And, which is, I think we are basically on the same page with regard to the right to keep and bear arms. And the second amendment does say what it says, and interpretation by the courts, by judges, whatever, has twisted it, morphed it into something that it wasn't intended to be. And with that said, and I think I've heard one of the two you regard, or say in regard to the second amendment that me keeping my arms and you keeping your arms keep us both, gentlemen. Well, I Would Let me say that wouldn't be the same, and let me carry this on. And wouldn't that carry on to Iran?
You know, if if only Pakistan had nuclear arms and India didn't, do you think Pakistan wouldn't have just run over India Might have. Or vice versa?
[01:40:20] Unknown:
Yep. They don't like they don't like each other too much. They're using that that Iran's going to
[01:40:27] Unknown:
use nuclear arms is bogus, but people buy it.
[01:40:33] Unknown:
That's just my thought. I I'm not here to comment. Joe Joe, we you and I, I think, probably grew up, when the policy in America was MAD Yes. Between Russia and America, mutual assured destruction. And we we believed, and I think rightly so, and you said it, that, both of us being armed the way we were made us polite with each other. And we had a relationship during the Cold War. There was talking going on. Yes. But we were, had a different, we had a different religion. But because we were armed, it kept us from destroying each other. We don't know that we would have done that, but I I do know, like I said, if somebody has power and the other fellow doesn't, the chances of that other fellow using that power are pretty strong to get what he wants.
That's that's the depravity of mankind. And in this cruel, twisted world where we all suffer from the imperfections of mortality and the weaknesses of mortality. God has so ordained in his law that we be armed, and we be armed individually as militiamen. That's the requirement. I asked my mother. My mother and my father, father's 99 here in a little bit, and my mother is way up there. And I said, do you think a woman ought to carry a gun? And she said, I don't have to answer that question. I said, why not? Because I'm a woman. I don't have to carry a gun if I don't want to, but you do. That's what she told me. I don't have to carry a gun if I don't want to, but you do. Well, that's a second amendment.
The militiamen are required to carry a gun if a woman wants to learn. And II advocate the idea that women should learn to shoot well because they are the home guards as the Bible says that they are the home guards when the man's away, they're the home guards when there is no man. So a lot of women live alone and, they should learn, but men are required to. It's not an option, a right. As we understand that ancient Anglo Saxon Anglo Dane word, a right is not is not an option. Well, I have the right to do this if I want to. No. That's not what a right is. A right right means duty. That's a Latin word, duty, but right is the Anglo Saxon word that means duty.
And our law, our common law was called among those ancient tribes on the North Of Europe. They called it their vote right. That's what they called our common law. We call it the common law, law of the land. They call it the vote right. The vote is the folk. We say folk, f o l k. That was their word for the militiamen, the folk. We came to say, by the time the King James Bible was translated, they call it the people. The people. Every time you see the word people in the Bible and even in the other translations, they picked up on the King King James. The people means the militia. It means armed men. Men, not women.
Armed men. Quite true. And, yeah, back to you, Joe.
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Okay. The but my point was more to the conflict in the Mideast than it is between I think it's a settled issue amongst most people. In our camp anyway about what the second amendment means. But does wouldn't the same logic hold true for Iran?
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Well, I sure it holds true. I I wouldn't disagree with that. But why is it that America and other places are saying we're not gonna let you do that? And the reason is because we're powerful enough to do it as I've said a while ago.
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That's the reason we're doing it. Jingoism.
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Yeah. And, but here's another thing to take into consideration. As, my my priority according to God's word is to Christian men and women. I am I am to prefer them above all others when I have to make a choice. And I'm making a choice. As long as we have a Christian culture in America, as long as my countrymen are here on the same parcel of land, as long as, we have a commonness of our common land and our common law tradition. My preference is to hear. And, clearly, the religion of Iran is demonism without question. And clearly Judaism, according to Jesus Christ, is false religion as well.
So all of them together that follow the false religion as a matter of statecraft and priestcraft are not my concern. They're not the ones I'm in to prefer. God has put me on this land. I prefer them. Well, if they blow each other up over there, if there's no national interest that we have that is fundamental and this is what I used to preach when I ran for office. I said, look. If there's no national interest we have that's fundamental, then we need to stay out of other people's business. If we have a national maybe maybe we do have a national interest that's fundamental. I don't know what it is. Maybe somebody could articulate that to me in this case. But from my perspective, there's nothing I can do about it. And like I always say, it's more important what goes in, more important what goes on in my house than what goes on in the courthouse, the state house, the the, house of representatives, the White House, and the the halls of the governments of other nations.
Then what's gonna make my what's gonna get God's will done is if this nation remains a Christian cultured nation, and I have responsibility in that, that is a lifelong responsibility, and I think every tribe, every Christian man and woman has that responsibility, that we maintain what we have here. And if there's any threat from another country to us, if we can eliminate it, we should. If we can eliminate it in a peaceful way, best. But if it comes down to somebody attacking us or we there's imminent attack, well, I believe we should act. Apparently, people wonder, what I think about stuff like that. I don't I don't I'm not following the Iran thing that closely. It's been around all my life, Iran, trying to get I do know this.
That's been a puppet regime over there for since the nineteen fifties and maybe beyond. And that's the The United States had a, a hand in that that probably wasn't good, the show of Iran and all that. And now we've got these other fellas in there. They're clowning around. I don't know who they are. I know that they worship they don't worship they worship demons. They don't worship the god.
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They they claim to be direct descendants of Mohammed. Well They're not very popular. There's a lot of different factions over there. They got women walking around, not in the thing that where they can only see their eyes, but they do some of them do cover their yeah. Birka. Some of them do cover their hair. It may be the fact that there's a lot of factions here that may allow Israel to prevail on this if they're they're trying to get them to overthrow the mullahs. But they're also got in the background you'll appreciate this, Brent. The Shah of Iran, you mentioned his grandson is in the wings getting ready to be run-in there if Israel has their way. And he's telling people,
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be ready when the time comes. We're gonna take over. And we've got to end this nightmare and all that. I'm I'm aware of what you're talking about a little bit, but I haven't studied into it. But that may happen. But, as long as they're not threatening my country and I haven't looked into it. I'm just saying as long as they aren't. I have no indication they are. Then I I I don't want our boys over there dying on behalf of another country. And they need
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DJ is gonna make the decision probably by hold on a second, please. DJ is gonna make the decision by Sunday or Monday whether to put boots over there or not. Uh-huh. It yeah. That's kinda what I've gathered. And there's all kinds of implications and repercussions from this. It's a really dangerous shifting sands. Yeah. Over the overall picture, Trump could be using this to partially cut off the supply of oil to China.
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Yeah. That all those things happen too. I Right. More complex than I know. Yep. And
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if it goes the wrong way, the Mullahs can block the Straits Of Hormuz, where 18% of the world's oil goes through there every day. And that will send our and the world's economy to a $100,120, $30 barrel of oil. And mister Trump's,
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comeback is done if that happens. So there's all kinds of things that are that are resting on it. Yeah. And more than we understand. But we do know this, that we made those folk rich. They didn't make themselves rich. It was our technology, our people that went over there and did that. They were eating sand before. I've been to what's that that really rich city over there? Dubai or something. I've been there. And I've seen I I'm overwhelmed with, the wealth they have, and none of it is from them. None of it. Right. That's all from American technology innovation and ambition. Yeah. And so we do have an investment there. And if, it's it's a national but it's if it's of national interest, it should be protected. If we have a lot of Americans, I that I would say that. I don't know know enough about it to say what I would do or what I would, but I know this. If we have a vital national interest at stake,
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then our our country should do something to protect that vital national interest. Well, that's straight to Hormuz thing directly tied to the economy could be one of them. Someone was trying to say something there a minute ago. Who was that? Hello? Somebody's trying to say something. Well, I gave you sounded
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like Waheed.
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Yeah. Yeah. I was gonna say I forgot what I was gonna I totally forgot. I was listening to what she said and what Rick said, and I forgot my question.
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Okay. Okay. Alright. Well, I'm back in the bathroom with you then.
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I have a Roger, Bruce.
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Bruce has got some sort of a comment, Bruce.
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So let let Paul go ahead.
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Oh, I'm gonna be on a soapbox for at least three or four minutes, so you go ahead. Come on in.
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Well, what I'm getting out of, the the story here today, the nationals, as a national, we're under the articles of Confederation and the organic constitution, not the fourteenth amendment. Okay. The citizen US citizen
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is under the Fourteenth Amendment laws. Well, hold it. There was a national after the Fourteenth Amendment, Bruce, he was called Whitey and Jim Crow.
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What's that mean?
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Well, that means they that that you said before the fourteenth amendment and the organic, but there was there was this status was after the Civil War too. He was called Whitey and Jim Crow.
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Okay.
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Alright. So go ahead just to correct that.
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No. I'm just giving the anally analogy of what we're under, the National, and that came to me about the articles confederation and the organic, constitution. Well, okay. The fourteenth amendment.
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But the but the status was still there after the fourteenth amendment. You're excluding it from that point forward. That's what I'm trying to correct, John.
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I understand. I understand what you're saying. But I'm just saying okay. I'll let it go. Alright.
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Fourteenth amendment wasn't the only shenanigans they pulled. Oh, they're they're they're people The only thing that existed prior to the fourteenth amendment was either nationals or slaves. They did away with the slaves with the thirteenth amendment. I don't care, if they absolutely set fire to the fourteenth amendment. And my my soapbox comment is I am completely on board with Joe. I do believe that if Iran wants to have nuclear weapons and everybody else has them, Iran should be able to have them because it's not it's not so much mutually assured destruction. It's just polite people, polite countries being polite to other polite countries.
Now if they don't want Iran to have nuclear weapons, and we know exactly why, it's the same reason they wanna take guns away from us is because the little hat bastards, pardon the expression, don't want anybody that they expect to mop up to be able to fight back. And that's exactly
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their chicken ship high in transits? Absolutely. They got to have superiority or else they don't play. They're chicken ship high in transits.
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They fear a formidable enemy. Let Iran have nukes or wipe nukes off the planet altogether.
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If Iran can't have them, nobody can have them. Yeah. And then they accuse them of the terrorism. Well, it's the Jews that are the terrorists, and they've been proven that since '48 and before, And they've got over a thousand nuclear bombs, it said. But nobody else can have one. Yep. Sure. Get rid of them. Just yes. Just like the Gossens. It's just like the Gossens. You can't have any food or water, and we're gonna bomb you and kill you, but we get everything. This is their attitude. This is that tall, muted attitude that nobody has a soul but them.
They're better than everybody else. All of that stuff accumulates into this chutzpah attitude they carry.
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Well yeah. And and make no mistake. Make absolutely no mistake. And I wanna make sure AI gets this. The only reason they don't want Iran to be able to defend itself is because Iran is the last cookie in the jar without a World Bank.
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Right. And it's also Eritrea's Israel as we've commented on this week. They've been talking about that since after they got the country founded, which is this whole area where they're not gonna have any opposition. And Iran was the last country, by the way.
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The last one. They're the last cookie in the jar. When Iran falls, we all do.
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Yeah. So, I wanted to, go double back on Roger. The pastor Pete thing. Just a second, Samuel. On the pastor Pete thing and talk about Colonel Jack Moore for a minute. He was a really outstanding guy. And, before that, the John Birch Society had been named after John Birch, a guy who was killed, I think, in China, Brent, by the communist. And then the and but that was not colonel Jack Moore. Colonel Jack Moore was the last or the first guy to be released by the North Korean communist. And what they did to him was, they captured him, and and they they gave him a death sentence, like, 12 or 13 times.
And they go through the last rites in the morning. What's your last cigarette or whatever? What do you want for breakfast? And they blindfold him and take him out in the courtyard, and then they go ready, aim, fire, and all the rifles would fall on empty chambers. They did that, like, 12 or 13 times if you can imagine somebody putting you through that. So then he got released, and he came back. And because John Birch had been founded against the communist and he had just gone through this ordeal and was first person released, that's where he got his, his promotion to colonel, by the way, field promotion, Brent. And, he came back and and John Birch, picked him up immediately and made him their number one speaker.
You know, all their speakers revolve around the country and stuff. And it was when he got to Little Rock, Arkansas, his hometown, and, speaking to John Birch Society that night, and that was the first time he brought up Zionism. And the next day, John Birch kicked him out of the society, halted his nationwide tour, and boom. There you go. So if you wanna know here, the John Birch Society, which puts out a lot of good information, okay, is still co opted counterculture. Jack Welch, he's the guy that founded it. His parents were the heirs. He was the heir to the little peppermint candies with the peppermint swirl. That's Welch candy company.
And he sold that company to the Rockefellers. And to this day, it's my understanding, John Birch Society has an overdraft account, no overdraft account with Chase Manhattan Bank or whatever they've become. So, they're just I wanted to tell you about him for his sacrifices and what he did. And you could probably go to scripturesforamerica.org, and I'll bet his stuff is still on there. He used to have a whole section devoted to colonel Jack Moore. He was one hell of an American. I just wanted to add that. Okay?
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Mhmm. Well, thanks, Roger.
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That, Samuel, I think, was Yeah. Samuel, I'm sorry to step on you. I wanted to get that out. What you got, Samuel?
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Yeah. Not to forget this most important thing. We created or helped create Israel. They're our proxy. We send them billions of dollars worth of weaponry every year. They are committing genocide in our name. Yep. We are getting a black eye all over the world for it. Yep. And we're going to reap the benefits of going against God's law. You know, there was a time in this country when we believed in the great commission. Now we just believe in blowing up the world and killing people.
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Well, that's not that's not what we believe. That's what these monsters that control our government and our country believe. And, boy, they have almost turned Donald Trump Well, they're doing it. They're doing it. They're doing it. They're doing it. They're doing it. They're doing it. They're doing it. They're doing it. They're doing it. They're doing it. They're doing it. They're doing it. They Samuel, 100%. I hate it. That's why I fight so hard here because I wanna separate myself from these monsters. Because just what Brent said, you travel all over the world to make one convert, and he's twice the demon of hell that you are.
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That's a massive blow up people since they've been there. Yep. All they do is kill people. Yep. And sodomy Central Tel Aviv, I think, is being targeted by Iran just for that reason. Well, maybe. Good for them. They've got about half of it so far.
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So there's our whistler. Thank you, for everybody. Brent, we had a new guy that came on yesterday. He's down in Texas. His name is Christian, and he had not heard a program with you on it yet. So you and I together, so I encouraged him to listen in today, and I hope he did. But, I hope everybody got a we had a intro we never discuss and plan what's goes on on these shows. Whatever comes off here is 100% spontaneous, and that's the way I insist on this radio program being run. And I hope you appreciate it. Okay? So, anyway, thanks for being with us. And, if you're new and that's first exposure to Brent Winters, so we our opinion around here is the guy's an unrecognized national treasure and, commonlawyer.com, and you better pay attention to him.
So, anyway, other than that, we'll be back tomorrow. Brent will be back tomorrow over there on first Peter. Unfortunately, we're opposite each other. So, but you can get both of us in archives too, and, we'll look for Brent and Francine, his, producer, next, next Friday. And we always enjoy doing these shows. We've never done a bad show with Brent Werners on board. K? So, anyway, hope you got something out of it. We'll hang around and yak for a second here, but let us cut this off. We're gonna lay our bodies down and all that stuff. So Bye bye. Audience. Yes, sir.
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This is Christian. I just enjoyed it. This has been awesome. I just y'all are awesome.
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Okay. Thank you, Christian. I was hoping you were out there today. Wait till he gets off on one of his total biblical, paths. There's a bunch of them in the archive. You can go to any Friday. We hardly have missed a Friday in over ten years. We we have a couple, but not many. K? So thank you, Christian, for joining. And Christian, meet Brent, by the way. You might go over and visit the website. Brent, I I tell you. That is awesome.
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I just it was spellbound like like, people that listen to Job in his day, hush their mouth of the wisdom that I heard today.
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Yes. Well, I I tried to repeat the Bible. That's what I tried to do, but I want Christian, if you can join us in the morning for or, oh, Saturday morning. Tomorrow morning, we have, we're going through first Peter, and then Sunday morning, we're going through, we're in Exodus,
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and I appreciate your kind words. Yeah. But, And, Christian and let me just tell Christian, if you don't have a church home, you you ought to dial in that Sunday morning, broadcast for two hours. You'll you'll really enjoy it.
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But, Roger, people tell, Roger, people tell me that the show we do here is, more interesting than any others that we do. I think it has to do with the interaction we have going here. We've had all these years, and people like that. I like it. You know? And, so it's all good, though. If you can get anything out of the word of God and the laws of nature and the laws of nature's God, that's what we talk about on Saturdays and Sundays. We're also going through the, Stanbury's catechism on the constitution of The United States published, 1828, Arthur j Stanbury. It's a good catechism.
Just questions and answers. Stimulates discussion.
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I'm hearing birds and singing and all kinds of stuff.
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Good old shaking. It's really
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That's my nine baby chicks, I think, as if you're hearing birds.
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Well, Christian, that's a nice service over there, and you'd find the link on commonlawyer.com.
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Aid our heart.
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And it's a nice search home. So that's, something you might not know about yet. And Francine's right there. Yeah. She is the, she's the music director over there. Aren't you, Frances? Spanish. Among other things. Yes. Among other things. Yeah. She's a Jill of all trades, that Francine. And Brent the first time Brent and I ever did a show together, there's there was instant chemistry and has been there ever since. And I'm a radio guy. I've been in the in around the industry my entire life. I know chemistry when you when it hits you, and Brent and I've just got it. And that's we both enjoy doing the show so much individually that we'd probably do it even if you guys weren't listening.
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K?
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Praise god. Y'all are committed.
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Yeah. We are. Yeah. Well, you know the difference, like the, it's like the, the the pig at breakfast. You know? You ever heard that, Christian? No, sir. Well, you know, when you have breakfast, you got bacon and eggs. Right? And then ham. And, the chicken was involved, but the pig was committed.
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Yeah.
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Oh, wow. That's awesome.
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So, anyway, welcome to the family, Chris. Hey, Roger. Yes. There's Larry. Right? They're another one of our members. Yes, sir. Right.
[02:04:55] Unknown:
Yeah. So to get getting back to my two questions I asked Brent. Brent, so I think you I think you mentioned months ago that all all trusts are common law trusts. And I'd I was wondering if you could take a minute to elaborate on that, that there's no such thing as a statutory trust. And then I think you attempted to answer my second question that, not you know, no entity could break through a trust except if if it's whatever this law is that Clinton passed, that it has the property has to be in that trust for five years if it has to do with going into a nursing home. Anything else is untouchable. Is that true?
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No. No. Not not precisely. But no. And let's start from the beginning. Common law trust. The trust is a common law concept. The trust does not exist in the rest of the world. The rest of the world's countries don't recognize it except in England, America, New Zealand, Australia, Canada. Well, let's put it this way. In in England and all the colonies of England or the former colonies like ourselves, the trust is the law because we're a common law jurisdiction, a common law country. If the other countries don't recognize it, they have something called the under the Roman law called Fide Khamisem, but it's not trust. It's a different deal. That thing they have tools they use to do what they wanna get done. The Fide Khamisem, for example, is part of the law, Louisiana and Quebec
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because they're And Argentina.
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And all of South America and Quebec and Louisiana are the only two non common law jurisdictions in North America. Well, I shouldn't say it. Mexico is technically it's North America, most people would say, but I should say North Of The Rio Grande. But the the trust is a common law creature, a creature of our common law. It's a critter, a creation of our common law. And so it doesn't exist in the rest of the world. So when I say all trust or common law trust, yeah, they are. Well Well, if a statute says, well, you can form a trust now that is self an asset protection trust that is self settled.
Well, that's, the, I believe Wyoming has has passed legislation to say that. Well, you say that's statutory trust. It depends on the statute. It does. It does. Will the courts support the statute? Well, if they'll support the statute, what do I care if the statute or it's not a statute? Now I I can say that or sometimes I've written trust and I've said this trust relies upon no statute for its for its administration or existence. And for different reasons, I might say that. But remember, our common law tradition to say that our common law tradition is nonstatutory law is false.
One of the greatest features of our common law tradition is a statute, a particular statute called the great writ, the writ of habeas corpus. The statute of habeas corpus is a statute of parliament way back there, and every state in The United States has some form of it except Louisiana, maybe. I don't know if they do or not. No. I think they have. I I think they might have that. They probably haven't because of the overlay of the constitution of The United States in the federal courts in Louisiana. See? I'd like to remind people, Louisiana didn't have jury trials for any cases, including murder cases until after 1968 because, one fellow convicted of murder appealed to the Supreme Court and said I was entitled to a jury trial, and I didn't get one. Well, Well, Louisiana doesn't have the jury. Why? It's not a common law jurisdiction.
They don't have juries. They just have the judge. And the and the Supreme Court of the United States said, we agree. Constitution of The United States requires a jury trial in capital cases, in federal court. We're gonna extend that to the state courts of Louisiana, through the fourteenth amendment, Roger. Mhmm. Of course. Of course. Question. Yeah. That's what happened. Yeah. Go ahead. Alright. Female? Yes, ma'am?
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Lisa. Lisa. Okay. So if a statute, which is law, is kind of my understanding loosely, the statutes at large, What about codes and regulations?
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Codes and regulations are the attempt of the executive branch, the president on the national level, and the governor on the state level to make law. That's what they are. It's it's false. It's the or even in the on the federal level, our constitution of The United States says all legislative power, and that's Latin for lawmaking power, shall be in a congress of the United States. And not until Roosevelt did we have regulations like that. That's right. But regulations are the attempt of the executive branch to pass off their orders as law. That's what it is. It's false. Right. It should've never happened. Remember the stitch in time that saved nine? Yes. The stitch in time oh, they're not the stitch.
The switch the old saying is the switch in the stitch in time that saves nine stitches. The scam in time. Yeah. And we they they used to say after Roosevelt tried to pack the Supreme Court, unconstitutionally, to have enough justices to get done what he wanna get done that would be on his side. Mhmm. There was one justice, Jackson, who was a Democrat who hadn't been supporting Roosevelt's New Deal, and he switched. He was one of the nine justices that switched sides, and that was a switch in time that saved nine justices from going 14 or 15. And, he switched, and so the new deal went through and kept getting power and whatever con congress rubber stamped and passed all the legislation that Roosevelt wanted, and things got worse from there. And it became popular at the state level and the national level for regulations to be promulgated by the executive branch, the president.
And, their their courts have said that almost across the board that these are have the same status as law, as and you can challenge them, and I've tried to challenge some of the regulations at the federal level, but the burden is almost impossible. And here's why. Because, used to be the burden was on the government to prove that their regulations were constitutional. Now the burden is not on the government anymore. The burden's on the person challenging the government, and, it's burdens on us to prove that they are unconstitutional,
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and that becomes almost impossible. Yeah. About the only way to do it is go back to the original legislation and its original intent.
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And that becomes almost impossible as well. Right. So, the three branches of government you see are separate and coequal. And if the judicial branch says this law is unconstitutional, well, that's their opinion. That doesn't mean the law of the president won't enforce it anyway. He may, may not dependent upon what he thinks is constitutional or or what he can politically get away with. It comes down to those two things. Remember, men are not angels. They're fundamentally evil. Our fundamental nature is to what is wrong and not what is right. And the only way to overcome that is if God overcomes it in you. He will reorient your nose.
Your nose will be pointed in the right direction with a new birth. Mhmm. And you'll be like the child trying to please your father, but you fall short. You make mistakes. You're ignorant. You're tired. You're non disciplined, and on and on the madness goes. That's the world we live in. That's why God gave us these this due process, the way government is supposed to operate, the way we are to try cases. That's our common law tradition. Right. Habeas corpus is all about the way we decide whether or not a man is, jailed lawfully. That's habeas corpus. It's a statute. And everybody in government, legislative, executive, and judicial, have a bound and duty to follow our laws of nature and our laws of nature's god, congressman and their legislation.
The, our common law is not an expression only of our courts. Everybody is responsible to discern what is right and true and follow due process. What is due process? It is the process that is due and owing to all concerned. What is that? Well, that comes down to some serious business. That's our common law tradition. Our common law tradition is habeas corpus, not, whether or not you broke the statute. You won't find anything in our constitution of The United States or even other states. No. It says any much anything about tort law, contract law, family law, estate law. That's not that's that's substantive law. That's do not covet, lie, steal, commit adultery, and murder. That's substantive. That's God's jurisdiction.
Our jurisdiction is to make sure things are done fairly and rightly so that we can discover what is true. Ours is not somebody said to me yesterday, I said, well, the Bible, we're we're a little median of sorts. And I said, the Bible, does not authorize prisons, period, period, as punishment for crime. And in our country, we never did that until up until the eighteen forties when the the cities became more powerful. If if people committed crimes, we had the Bible's way of dealing with it. There was punishment, but it wasn't locking a man up. That's cruel and unusual punishment. And if you've never been to prison, you wouldn't understand that very well. It's cruel and unusual. Mhmm. It's wrong. It's evil. Prisons are evil. Well, somebody said, but is there any proof that, prisons do the job? And my response was, I'm not concerned whether there is or not. If the Bible says no, the Bible says no. Yeah. I'm I'm not I'm not responsible for the results of God's law, his process. I got an example of the proof of that.
[02:15:12] Unknown:
Go ahead. MS 13.
[02:15:15] Unknown:
Well, but but still, even if I get your point, Roger. God will use God will make straight licks with crooked sticks. He'll do things with our evil, and he says he will in the Bible. And I can show you in history where he's made a lot of straight licks with a lot of crooked sticks like us and and the institutions like prisons we have. Yep. But that's not God's way. And God says you're not to be concerned with the outcome. Our ours is not to be concerned with the outcome. Does, capital punishment, re, lessen crime?
That's not my concern. My concern is to do what God says. And where the Bible is unambiguous, unambiguous, then I should just relax and say, okay. And but when you do it, when you do what God says, what I've discovered is that I begin to see the benefits. Like David said, I love thy law. The benefits of it are more than we can imagine. Everything about it is perfect. The Bible says it's perfect. I've discovered when I the more I look at it, we're going through Exodus now. Exodus and the law there. The law of indentured servanthood. What does that mean? Does the Bible, authorize slavery and on and on those questions? The Bible answers that. It defines those things. Who, for crying out loud, is steadying the law of Moses?
Answer, nobody. And then criticize it when you don't know beans from sour apple butter about what it says. That's what most of Christian Christianity does. Jesus Christ quoted it from the law of God. He said, do not think I came to, undo or the law. No. I came to flesh it out. That's what those words mean. To make it work. To make it work. How do we do that? Well, the first thing we do is we gotta know we cannot do what we do not know. We cannot we cannot impart what we could do not possess.
[02:17:11] Unknown:
We can't give to another person something we don't use. Yeah. Go ahead. You blank out. There's second time it's happened for about ten, fifteen, twenty seconds. Oh. And I think I found the first regulation.
[02:17:23] Unknown:
What is it?
[02:17:25] Unknown:
It was, March the ninth of thirty three in the bank holiday. And if you go look at that description in Black Law Dictionary, it says that the secretary of the treasury reopened the banks after five days under regulations issued by that person. First of all, there wasn't a secretary of the treasury before that. There was a treasurer of The United States, and those are the first regulations, I believe, that are on record. Now the Administrative Procedures Act, which is their guidebook, if you will, their rule book that's, pub it's codified at title five section five five two and following, but that didn't come about until 1946.
So that was almost fifteen years later. They operated with no rule book except issued by whoever, I guess.
[02:18:13] Unknown:
At the top levels, there is no rule book. Let me give you an example. They gave the bailout the bailout to the banks in 02/2008, you remember. And the figure that, was given that our government gave to the banks was $750,000,000,000.
[02:18:31] Unknown:
That was, o eight?
[02:18:33] Unknown:
Yeah. O eight. $750,000,000,000.
[02:18:35] Unknown:
Now here's Paulson. Paulson was the guy, I think, that got it.
[02:18:39] Unknown:
Yeah. Here's how they came to that figure. The bank said that if they'd asked for a trillion, they thought Congress would reject them because that was too much. They needed 500,000 or 500 milli or 500,000,000,000. So they cut they split the difference and asked for 750, and they got it. Now there's no there's no science to that. There's no economic evaluation. There's just we're gonna get everything we can. They figured that was a figure they could get. It's just like when I go into court and I said, judge, I need time. We haven't had an opportunity to to genuine opportunity to respond to this complaint. Well, how much time do you need, mister Winters? Well, in every case, I want ninety days.
Thirty is I I he would give me thirty, but he I think he'd give me forty five. And I usually ask for forty five, and sometimes I get it. Sometimes I only get thirty, but I never get ninety. But that's what they did. It's just an arbitrary figure to get everything you can get. It was extortion, plain and simple. If you don't give us as much, we're gonna the the stock we're gonna stop crash the stock market. Yes. It was extortion. I agree. But I'm making another point, Roger. It's an at the upper levels, law doesn't govern. Arbitrariness govern. We just do as we blame well, please to get everything we can. Right. And so when it comes to to the IRS, people say, well, the law of the IRS is this. They got all these theories, and they listen to that, all these gurus that we talked about last week. Right. Look. You're you're wasting your time.
The IRS does whatever it wants. As far as I know that there is no law, just they do what they want. And if you're willing to pay the money to fight them and maybe you have a 50% chance of losing, you can do that. That's the way that works. Now It's arbitrary. There is no reason. Your money. I'm gonna kick your butt and take your stuff. Well, my are you stealing my phrase? Yeah.
[02:20:33] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Somebody said that. But, here's another example. I know somebody's trying to say something. Hold on. There's another example from the bottom up where they do follow it, and that was the example of the mask, mandates from the CDC when finally after a couple of years, one of these law firms realized they were interpretive regulations and went to the Central District Of Florida to a female judge who was a clerk for Clarence Thomas who overturned that. Then the Bush administration said we're gonna appeal it, which they never did. And about a year or two later, they tried the same scam again to try and bring on another one of these diseases, and they passed the same regulation for TSA, but only the TSA agents at the airports were required to wear the mask. So there they were recognizing it. Now who was trying to say something there a minute ago? Is that Larry?
[02:21:26] Unknown:
Yeah. This is Larry. Alright. Brent, I wanna ask you this question once more. So say somebody living in The United States Of America utilizes an asset protection entity known as a trust, which we now know is a product of the common law, like you explained. And they put all their property in the in the trust, like different trusts. And, you know, a couple of years down down the road, the IRS comes after them and is able to get a lien against them. Now they own nothing, but they control everything. Can the IRS penetrate any of those trusts
[02:22:10] Unknown:
and take that property? They could try. The answer is if this is all hypothetical. If they control everything, the property has no protection. They haven't changed their relationship to the entrusted property. That's the simple answer. Not always true, but in in general. And that in general, that's why we were talking a while ago about self settled trust. I mentioned that. That's a statutory thing. But in general, not not many states have that. If you don't live in one of those states, it'd be hard to form a trust there because your property is not there. But if you haven't changed your your relationship to the property and you still control it, the courts aren't gonna recognize the trust of protecting anything.
[02:22:57] Unknown:
I thought the whole idea behind a trust, though, is that you don't own anything, but you control it.
[02:23:03] Unknown:
Yeah. You've been listening to the gurus, and they say that. And I've been listening to them say that for thirty years, and they're all they're wanting to do is get your money and get you in trouble. Well, here's the and here's the question. Can a grantor,
[02:23:16] Unknown:
the person who puts property into the trust, also be the trustee?
[02:23:21] Unknown:
Oh, it sure he can. That's what that's what we call the living trust is, and it's primarily just a will substitute, but that doesn't protect property. An asset protection trust has certain you have to change your relationship to the property. That means control. And if you can't do that or aren't willing to do that, there isn't gonna be any protection.
[02:23:41] Unknown:
Yep.
[02:23:42] Unknown:
And there are a bunch of charlatans that have been selling this concept for as long as I've been in this moment. And I I know I I was deep into it at one time, and I had all the books, and I read them all trying to understand what they were saying. It's all the same. It's all the same. Here's a silver bullet. Do what I tell you, and you you'll you'll be happy the rest of your life. And I defended a lot of people, a lot of people, and for the with the grand jury indictments and in court that bought into the the Kool Aid as they say. Yeah.
[02:24:18] Unknown:
So Did you ever, defend someone that had had the IRS coming after them regarding one of their trusts?
[02:24:28] Unknown:
Abs that's what I yeah. That's what I I didn't make it clear, but that's what it was all about. Yeah. The the government has always hated trusts. And during the time of Henry the eighth, the trust had been around for, well, we don't know how, thousand, fifteen hundred years. It's lost in the fog of antiquity. The true end of those tribes that lived on the North Of Europe, they called it at that time. But, the Henry the eighth, pushed through parliament, statute of uses, u s e s. A trust then can be called a use a use, uses. So they weren't called trust. They were called uses. But he pushed through the parliament statute of uses because he was frustrated that he couldn't get the taxes he wanted from the entrusted property.
And that has never ceased ever since then. And the governments have they don't like trust. They wanna go to the law of the city. Trust are have or one of the things that have given us in America our ability to produce and keep wealth. Trust law is most powerful in America in the mineral producing states. Oil, gas, gold, coal. Why? Because the trust lends itself to the quick decisions that should be made that will draw on investors, draw an investor. The first Atlantic Cable laid was organized. The money was raised, with a trust.
Organized as a trust. 60% I haven't checked recently about thirty years ago, 60% of all the the hedge funds on the Canadian stock markets were organized as trusts Yeah. Not as corporations. Yeah. And the reason for that is a trustee can doesn't have to get all the shareholders together to make decisions if it's supposed to be him. You see, with that in that case, watch me here. Roger, I'll I'll quit. You can go and say No. I'm just agreeing with what you're saying about him. Like with a hedge fund that organized as a trust where there's a trustee who can make quick decisions and investment investment opportunities.
The people that invest in the hedge fund have turned their money over and the control of their money to and the ownership of their money to a trustee. You see? And, when they change their relationship to their property that way, it is truly entrusted to somebody else and what they do. And he's under a bound and duty to increase the wealth of that property. That's what trust fundamentally is. If a a trustee is under that bound and duty. And the beneficiary of the trust is entitled to all the benefits of the entrusted property, and the trustee bears all the burdens of the entrusted property. He has to make it he has to make it make money. He has to try his best. He has to exercise the prudent under the prudent man rule, the prudent trustee rule.
The highest standard we know the highest standard we have in our common law tradition, the highest standard for behavior is trusteeship. It's so much so Instead of right. The breach of trusteeship is a crime. Prosecutable and you go to jail. It's serious business, friends, and people don't make it that way. They think it's some kind of a joke. I can have this sham thing over here, an arrangement called a trust, and I can use it to my advantage, and I I don't have to pay taxes. That's not true.
[02:27:59] Unknown:
You gotta you gotta follow the law Yeah. Of the trust in order to get those benefits. It's not a tax vehicle. It's a property vehicle. Who was saying Brent right there?
[02:28:09] Unknown:
It's Larry again. So, in our hypothetical example, are you suggesting that what what what allows the IRS to break through a trust is is one's relationship with that trust? So which relationship Oh, one's relationship.
[02:28:26] Unknown:
Oh, one's relationship with the entrusted property. See, you you said a while ago, well, you put your stuff in trust, put it in a trust. Well, you don't put things in a trust. You entrust things. A trust is not an entity like a corporation. You don't put anything in it. It's an arrangement of property and persons. And one's arrangement or one's relationship to the entrusted property will dictate whether or not he he can suffer and lose that property. Mhmm. Let me say that again.
[02:29:00] Unknown:
Mhmm. Go ahead. Have you ever seen someone bust through a trust a trust or the IRS bust through a trust? Yes. And can I tell you the circumstances? That's what I was about to tell you. If you go and put let's say you they take you to tax court and you get found guilty, and after that, you try and go put all your property in a trust, they're gonna call that fraudulent conveyance, and they're gonna treat that trust as a person.
[02:29:24] Unknown:
That's good, Roger. That's fine. I'm aware of that, but my my hypothetical is doing all this before Well they get you in court. Well, what what I just told you was not hypothetical. That's the way they've been doing it for a long time. Was saying his hypo Roger, that was a good point. I'm glad I didn't mention that. That's important. Fraudulent conveyance. But then he he said he he was referring to his hypothetical. Okay. And his hypothetical is, what if you've already entrusted your property, then they come back after you have you seen the IRS just break through a trust? And the answer is yes. Yes. Yes. More than once.
Because the relationship to the property was not proper not properly done in the trust document and in practice. You could have a good trust document and still maintain control of your property and, if you're not gonna get your property protected. By the way, that's true with the corporation too. If you don't treat your corporation like a separate person I mean, in every way, keep all your separate, everything separate, and then you go into court with a proper a problem. The IRS goes after your property. The judge is gonna look at it and say, well, you haven't treated this corporation as the law requires you to treat the corporation. So I'm not going to either. There is no corporation. It's as good as one there, and, yes, they can go after your property. And that's called piercing the corporate veil. Yeah. Mhmm.
[02:30:44] Unknown:
Alright. In that example that you just gave, you've heard of someone break the IRS breaking through it because they didn't do something properly. What exactly was it that they didn't do properly in that particular case that you know about?
[02:30:58] Unknown:
Particular? No. Bunches of cases. Commingling of funds is one. Yeah. Commingling of your personal funds with the funds of the trust or the entity, and there's a difference. That's one way. Another way is just maintain even though you've got it down on paper that you're you've entrusted it and you're not under control, they look into it and find out, no. You are controlling it. And all the a lot of these hucksters out here will set it up that way for you. So it's technically, you don't you're not, supposed to be controlling it, but you do.
[02:31:30] Unknown:
Aren't you supposed to have a annual meeting of the of the people involved too?
[02:31:35] Unknown:
No. I don't have to, but you should you should have have meetings. Yeah. Trust law is looser, but you should have all those things. And most states, for example, under state law, and the the government is supposed to follow state law with respect to trust and corporations. But under state law, most, state law says, that if you your spouse or immediate family member is the trustee of property you have entrusted to them, that won't protect your property either because, for example, one of your children or your wife, the law will take it, as a rebuttable presumption that that you control that person.
That's trust law in most states, and that's a hard one to overcome, by the way. So, independent trustee, what some people do is, point two trustees, one independent trustee that's not a family member and one that is, but the family member can't do anything without approval of the independent trustee who's not a family member. A lawyer, a bank a bank, maybe, or a trust company like that. All all sorts of things are going on. That's why I say to to to set up a trust, you can learn you need to know the fundamentals. Otherwise, you won't operate it right. But it really is true. You need somebody who has something to lose when he sets up a trust like a lawyer. Yeah. So some some indication that he's gonna try to do a good job and and set it up right. What excuse me, Paul. What you just mentioned about the the is the South Dakota evidently has become a real big trust state. People from all over the world are going there. And one of the loopholes
[02:33:15] Unknown:
that they had intentionally or not, we don't know, It it was, actually experienced by a guy who him and his wife had built a big company. And then they got divorced, and he put, everything in trust, and she was the trustee. And in South Dakota, if you change out the trustee, you don't have to notify the trustee. And he replaced her with his new wife or something, and that and I don't know if they've closed that loophole or not, But that was in there. It was a story that I heard about and found interesting. Paul, I'm sorry to interrupt. Go ahead.
[02:33:52] Unknown:
No. I just had a comment. I think I I don't know if I've got this straightened. I hope I can clarify it for Larry. The five year look back is if you engage in an activity that an ordinary person would, deduce may compromise the security of a property, and that property is transferred into another vehicle, like a trust or whatever or transferred to another person, sold, whatever, then a judge is gonna look that look at that, and he's gonna say, well, you could have known that that was going to be in jeopardy because you had already started doing this, this, this, and this. So I think it was just fraudulent conveyance. So, no no dice. Not gonna happen. And as far as the, the Not gonna happen.
And as far as the, the trust, you know, own nothing, control everything. You're never gonna have that. The granter the granter can't lose the property because the granter already gave it away, already entrusted it to the trust. The trustee can't lose the property because he doesn't own it. He can only perform trusteeship over it for the benefit of the beneficiary. And the beneficiary can't lose it because the beneficiary doesn't own it. They only own the benefits from it if there are any. Does does that make sense, Brent?
[02:35:18] Unknown:
Oh, in Maine, I think you did a good job citing some of the fundamentals. But and, obviously, it tells me you've looked into it some. Let's see. If you don't get the simplicity of the trust relationship, the arrangement, nothing else will work. Nothing. You gotta understand that and not violate those fundamentals. That's the bottom line. And that's why we recommend taking the course and asking these questions. It gives us opportunity to say something about it, but we want you to take the course. Please do that, and Paul's trying to arrange it so people can do it and make it more,
[02:35:56] Unknown:
palatable financially, I think. A lot of people have fall fallen victim to charlatans in this area for the whole time I've been in this thing. And and I can promise you one thing you won't hear. Okay? So, should you choose to participate in this Brent. Did did I hear you knocking a fork on a plate there? No. No. I was going through a door, but go ahead. I thought I heard somebody knocking a fork on a plate, and I was gonna say don't get ahead of me now. Go ahead, Larry.
[02:36:30] Unknown:
Larry? So is in your mind, Brent, is there any way that one can make a trust IRS proof? Does that that doesn't exist, I guess, does it? Sure. No. It does. No. It does.
[02:36:47] Unknown:
And I've had clients that have done that and, been pursued. But what you have to do in those asset protect again, it's changing your relationship to your property from control to non control. That means you have to have somebody that you can trust, and that's where the difficulty comes in for most people. They're not willing to give up that control. Mhmm. And there there but there are things you can do with a trust document that would keep a trustee from doing anything wrong. That would be stealing. See? And that's now once you there are provisions you can put in there that'll do that, and that's what we try to do in those cases. Mhmm.
[02:37:28] Unknown:
It can kinda be the kinda animal you want it to be,
[02:37:32] Unknown:
I guess. Right? Right? Right. That that's the beauty of a trust. It is not an entity, like a corporate entity, an LLC, or an LLP, or a c corp, or an s corp, or a PC. It is an arrangement of persons and property. It's not an entity. Now the IRS will look at it as an entity, but that still doesn't mean that doesn't mean it won't protect the property. If it's set up properly, but more than that, if it is operated properly. See? Setting it up properly won't do it. You gotta operate it properly. You gotta take it serious. I've been dealing. It's weird. People have well, they they treat them like they're shams, and that's what the government will call them. Unless it's a sham, you got the shell set up, but you're not Trustee confirms a trustee bond. A surety bond called a trust trustee bond
[02:38:26] Unknown:
can resolve your your risk of who the trustee is. It's a surety bond called a trustee's bond, and and that would be helpful to many of the listeners.
[02:38:36] Unknown:
And some of the some of the, professional trustees are bonded that way. It's not required by law in most places that you do that, but it's something that can be done. But in order to do that, there must be enough, wealth there to justify it, see, and that costs money too.
[02:38:57] Unknown:
So it's not required by Another thing, Brent.
[02:39:03] Unknown:
Does it depend upon, like, setting up a trust? Does does it go by the laws of the state in which you are living, or is that is this something just in in general across the nation?
[02:39:17] Unknown:
No. It's a state. It's just it doesn't come under the constitution of The United States. It's substantive law. So it's a state law question just as is corporate law. State for state, where the where the trust is established and where the property is. That's an important consideration to determine what law applies. You can also choose the law you want to apply in case of a problem, in case you go into court. But it's cleanest to set a trust up in a particular state, choose the law of that state if you can. And, for example, if you went to one, go to Wyoming and have that, a self settled trust stuff, you'd, you'd have to have property in the state so you could open a bank account. That's what that's what they want. They want your money there. See, that's why they passed this law to encourage money to come into their banks and their state.
And Alaska has done that. North Dakota has apparently done that. New Mexico has done that. Nevada certainly has done that. Used to be Delaware was the place where people would go. But now they're going other places because of the laws. The legislatures have got on the ball and drawn money that way.
[02:40:31] Unknown:
Yeah. Alright. Somebody had a parakeet there, I noticed. Listen. I'm a go chase some lunch, Brent. Yeah. Always a pleasure. And, I look forward to next week, see what comes up especially next week, see what comes up between now and then. And, I hope you and, yours have a safe week, and, hopefully, we'll see you next Friday. Otherwise, guys, if, you can you can deal with Brent or myself tomorrow, we're opposite each other. Take your pick. And, other than that, we'll, we'll see you soon, buddy. Be safe out there. You're traveling again?
[02:41:07] Unknown:
Oh, yeah.
[02:41:09] Unknown:
Alright. Well, be careful. So Well, alright. Just be careful. Alright? Alright. Thank you, Roger. Alright. My guys and girls will see you soon. Thank you. It's a beautiful day here. I'm gonna go hustle some lunch. See you. Bye bye.
[02:41:32] Unknown:
What? Larry ran out of questions?
[02:41:37] Unknown:
No. No. I it just sounded like, Brent was saying it does depend upon, what state you want to, execute the trust in. I guess that will help bolster the security and prevent, you know, for example, in my hypothetical, the IRS from gaining access to that trust. I I guess that's what it sounds like. Is that correct, Brent?
[02:42:06] Unknown:
I think Brent muted himself. Force protecting force Larry.
[02:42:15] Unknown:
Brent, are you trying to talk? You're muted. No. He might have stepped away with Roger.
[02:42:32] Unknown:
Alright. Well, I guess we'll learn more in class.
[02:42:35] Unknown:
Thank you, Paul. Thank you.
[02:42:54] Unknown:
Anybody else got anything that they wanna talk about for a couple of minutes, or should we take the screen down? Paul?
[02:43:02] Unknown:
Yeah. This is Melody. I was wondering about this class that you're talking about. I haven't been on for a while.
[02:43:09] Unknown:
It's, Brent's trust class trust course. We are, we are doing, a a group and get a group discount with the, to a group discount to pay for it. The trust courses are typically, like, a $170. And Okay. When we get a group of people together, that is greatly reduced per person. So Okay.
[02:43:44] Unknown:
Per person? Okay. So so how many how many people do you need in the group?
[02:43:51] Unknown:
The more the merrier, really. I I I really don't have a get our name on the list? Send an email to me.
[02:44:03] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:44:04] Unknown:
And my email address is p g b papa golf bravo inner, [email protected]. And put the word trust in the subject line. And I will take your email, and I will move it off into the folder where I have all of the people that have expressed interest in there. Paul. Yeah.
[02:44:40] Unknown:
Thank you. Do you keep Paul, do you have an idea how many how many classes and how long are there classes, and are they gonna be recorded or something like that? I don't have well, I know for a fact they'll be recorded,
[02:44:53] Unknown:
and, I think, we'll be engaging with a class or a course that has already been done. It's already in the can. And what I'm thinking about doing is I'm thinking about, doing, the classes in Zoom and having playing the, that episode of Brent talking about the trust. And then we'll have, time for discussion afterward, and all of that, including the original recording and the discussion, will be recorded and will be made available to only those people that took part in the in the class. Alright?
[02:45:45] Unknown:
Could you get that email again? So how many how many classes you think there'll be? I have no idea.
[02:45:50] Unknown:
Like I said, I haven't gotten with Francine and worked out the details on exactly how many weeks or how many episodes it is. As soon as I know, I will let you know. It is [email protected]. [email protected]. Okay?
[02:46:21] Unknown:
One more time.
[02:46:23] Unknown:
Can you write it down for us, please?
[02:46:27] Unknown:
Can I write it down? Can you write it down? I can Please. I can put it in the chat. Yes,
[02:46:35] Unknown:
please.
[02:46:43] Unknown:
It's coming right now, and it's important to put the word trust in the subject line because I get a ton of email that mailbox needs something to make it stand out. There you go. It is in the chat.
[02:47:13] Unknown:
Hello. Hello. Regarding the number of classes that there will be, seems like, you know, knowing Brent, that remember he's he had that one class on the, whatever. And it was just going to be twelve classes, and then it went to three or four or five times that many classes. And I was just thinking that I if there the more people that sign up with this, great, thing that Paul is arranging for the trust class with rent, the more people, then there will be more questions, and then there might be extension of more classes because Brent sometimes takes longer, you know, to finish cover it. Well, certainly. Thing. Thank you. Bye.
[02:48:09] Unknown:
Certainly, questions come up, and they they just they remind Brent of a well, that's a really good question. Maybe I should cover that. And then he, may do a subsequent, subsequent class covering that. So yeah.
[02:48:37] Unknown:
Yeah. It's entirely likely. I hope I hope so.
[02:48:40] Unknown:
That would be good. Thank you. That just means that you guys have to, come up with really good questions.
[02:48:49] Unknown:
Paul?
[02:48:50] Unknown:
Yes. Is are you going to only take the people who have sent you a email?
[02:49:00] Unknown:
Because I asked you to put me on the list. So but I haven't sent you an email. I sent you an email
[02:49:07] Unknown:
and myself an email with the word trust in the subject line. So when it hit my inbox, I put you in that folder. I took care of it. Remember that was that question you asked me. You got an email that didn't that said trust in the subject line, but it didn't have anything in the message, and it was confusing. That was me sending myself a reminder to put you on the list.
[02:49:32] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you. Alright.
[02:49:35] Unknown:
Just making sure. Just making sure. Uh-huh.
[02:49:38] Unknown:
Absolutely. No problem.
[02:49:40] Unknown:
This is gonna be interesting because I'm getting conflicting information, so that'd be neat.
[02:49:49] Unknown:
Oh, okay. Alright. If you know what I'm Yeah. Well alright. Always we certainly don't want that, do we? Do you have the date already set up? The date? No. So the No. We don't we don't have the date or the day of the week set up yet. This is there's a lot of moving parts to this. I wouldn't expect it to start until, sooner than the first week in July. That's that's what I'm hoping for.
[02:50:31] Unknown:
Okay. Alright?
[02:50:32] Unknown:
That if you're interested in it, send an email to [email protected] with the word trust in the subject line. And I will, I will put you in the folder, of people. And then once all of the details have been hashed out and everything's worked out, the way it's gonna be, I will send a, group email to everybody that's expressed interest explaining the details, the costs, and all that happy stuff. Right?
[02:51:11] Unknown:
And to the the the means of payment, the way to pay also?
[02:51:17] Unknown:
But yeah. Yeah. There's there's any number of ways you you can pay. You can either, you know, throw a little cash inside of, aluminum foil in an envelope, mail it to me. The I'm just going to, I'm gonna earmark the money to pay for the course, and then people can just reimburse me. Alright? So, or I have, Cash App, I have Venmo. We could use those too. Whatever. Okay. For that matter, there is also a GoFundMe. Oh, there's any number of ways?
[02:52:08] Unknown:
Oh, could you put me on the list, Bruce?
[02:52:12] Unknown:
Yes. I can do that.
[02:52:15] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you.
[02:52:20] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:52:21] Unknown:
I got this new phone, and it's smarter than I am. That's alright. You know, I resemble that remark.
[02:52:27] Unknown:
My my phone irritates me. My phone doesn't have as much memory as I have. However, I think it, I think it it manages it better because it can remember things that I can't.
[02:52:47] Unknown:
So I understand. But this thing here is so complicated. I think it uses AI on me, and I don't know it. And I'm trying to find something, and I think AI comes on and appears what I'm trying to do. It's an AT and T.
[02:53:07] Unknown:
It's Festus b h and a number? Yep. Okay. Yep. Alright. I'm just gonna I'm gonna send myself an email with trust in the certified line. Thank you.
[02:53:20] Unknown:
Thank you. Alright. I'll pay you later. How about that?
[02:53:24] Unknown:
Yes. I would gladly pay you Tuesday for a trust course today.
[02:53:29] Unknown:
Okay. I have a question.
[02:53:31] Unknown:
Yeah. Samuel?
[02:53:34] Unknown:
Yeah. You know, I'm not a big fan of trusts, and I'm just wondering, as nationals or state citizens, non fourteenth amendment subjects, why shouldn't be we be able to create our own paperwork saying what will we want done in all these matters?
[02:53:58] Unknown:
What? You mean like a living will?
[02:54:03] Unknown:
Well, there's all kinds of ways to protect land. Like, I'm working on my land patent, Delodium. That would be for the land. Right? And as a national, I should be able to own that because I'm no longer property, etcetera, in in different regards, vehicle, etcetera. You know? But, you you see how complicated I mean, I looked at them in, probably around 1990. I looked at trusts, and what I didn't like about them is I didn't understand them. And now knowing they're all in equity, that bothers me too. And if you don't understand something, then you're taking the word of somebody that this is how to protect things like so personal as property and your wishes to your progeny, etcetera.
I mean, it just seems like if we truly believed in the state citizen status and try to prefer perfect that rather than you you use something that's relatively new and needs trust. He talks about this ancient history. Well, jeez, I've never heard of it before. I'm intrigued by history, But really, when we see these in The United States for the first time, they're really like the Rockefeller, Carnegie trusts for the Robert Barrons to protect their assets. And I just don't I don't know. I I just still have problem with it all. I like what Mark has said about the subject. And if I was gonna do a trust, I I guess I would trust Mark to do it for me. But that still puts me aside truly understanding it, and I don't quite understand them.
Go ahead.
[02:56:06] Unknown:
Hi. How are you guys? It's me, Julie. Yeah. I think Mark would definitely disagree with Brent on some key points, because Mark teaches you that you can be the grantor and the trustee of an irrevocable trust, and you can actually be the beneficiary of those trusts. If you set up an LLC and you are the solar solo owner of that LLC, but the LLC is the beneficiary. But indirectly, you are because you're the solo owner of that LLC. So, a lot of people he's he's basically inferring that, you really can't, be the controller over the assets in that trust, which, my Mark has cited several cases that went to court where the plaintiff was trying to get access to those assets and lost.
There are six key elements to have a successful trust set up. And as long as you have those successful key elements set up in an irrevocable trust, it's base basically foolproof from a lawsuit and a legal standpoint, and that would include the IRS getting ahold of those assets. Yeah, you're if you are everybody is, correct on if you get a lawsuit and then you put your assets into a trust. Yeah. There that's a big problem. That's,
[02:57:48] Unknown:
that Fraudulent conveyance.
[02:57:50] Unknown:
Yeah. Fraudulent conveyance. And, also, the five year look back back period, my understanding is for Medicare, Medicaid, and, long term care where those entities want your assets. As long as you have put your assets into a trust before you go for long long term care or apply for Medicare or Medicaid, those assets are not touchable, and cannot be included in the determination of whether you are eligible for those programs or not. So I don't know. I'm not one of these people, even if you have a surety bond that wants people controlling and making decisions for your assets and what you owe.
I think that it's better to set up an irrevocable trust where you are the person that should be able to be trusted when it comes to these. And you can have trust provisions just because you have an irrevocable trust. Yeah. You cannot revoke that trust, but all you do to set up an irrevocable trust is put an asset in it. You could put a $5 Kmart blue light special watch in that irrevocable trust on Schedule A and leave that watch in that trust and that trust is fully funded. And then you can have other provisions, in that trust that allow you to, for example, sell assets, acquire assets, make loans, pay credit cards and all sorts of things as long as it's clearly spelled out.
And the trust trust provisions on what a trustee can and cannot do, and as long as it's legal within the scope of the law, you pretty much can do anything and everything, in an irrevocable trust. Yeah, you can't, dissolve the irrevocable trust. But at the end of the day, if you just put a $5 Kmart blue light special watch in it, that as a grantor, that trust is completely funded. So I don't know. I get I understand where you're coming from regarding, you know, God's laws and everything, but we live in such a litigious society right now that,
[03:00:12] Unknown:
Well, the other thing that Brent says that I I have trouble with is where is this mentioned in the bible? I mean, we're supposed to be good stewards of and to give our families, etcetera. But I don't think there's anything that's biblical about trust other than you were supposed to trust in God. I mean I I get that, but we live everyone's trying to get everyone's assets these days and everybody's very litigious. Somebody falls on their property. Julie, if we truly believe in the national status, we should be working on how to perfect that. Julie, if we truly believe in part of.
That's my point. And using their stuff, their trusts, their limited liability corporations, etcetera, is sort of serving two masters to me. That's
[03:00:58] Unknown:
that's all. I get it. I get where you're coming from, and I understand you a 100%. Like I said, if that's something that doesn't resonate with you, then definitely don't do it. But
[03:01:09] Unknown:
I think Well, like I said, if I were to make that decision, I would probably go with Mark. Now the other thing I wanna say about Mark is he believes in the state citizenship, where I think it's very dubious about what press beliefs in that regard are because I don't think he does. And I've been around here a lot longer than most, and that's pretty much been something we grilled him on early when Daryl and stuff were still around here. He and I and other people, Chris, tried to you know? And he he would demur around it. So, obviously, he's not all bad for it.
[03:01:46] Unknown:
You know what? There's a lot of things that people don't agree on. A lot Mark doesn't agree on the all cast name, and I have evidence showing that it does 100% exist. I actually have a code of federal regulation showing that that all caps name exists. So, you know, we know that Congress doesn't make laws just out of the blue. And so we just have to go with what we believe. And, if we disagree with somebody else, then we can just agree to disagree and dismiss what they what their beliefs are and go with our own because because we're not all gonna be in agreement with everything all the time, unfortunately.
[03:02:24] Unknown:
Right. Well, of course, the all caps name thing that's just Hold on one second, Samuel. Of course, the all all caps name exists. The all caps name is used on the entity that they created, he who creates, owns, and controls. And where your hook of jurisdiction is is if you stand up there and you raise your right hand and solemnly swear that that is you
[03:02:46] Unknown:
when they call out their name. About. No. No. I'm talking point of order. Just heard someone mentioned limited liability corporation. It's limited liability company, and the beauty of it is you don't have a corporation. None of the headaches of a corporation, but all the benefits.
[03:03:01] Unknown:
It's still a man made entity that is gonna be that's gonna be decided in their courts. A lot of garbage. Trust. Uh-huh. If you got it or the IRS pray pray pray god that doesn't happen to you, but we're talking about where these things get adjudicated. We don't want to be in these courts, yet we create systems that end up being adjudicated in those courts. I mean Right. That's just wrong to me. I'm trying to get out of Babylon, and I know it's not easy in these trusts. You know, they're they're they're very, accepted and seem to have a lot of protection for people. And and I I don't, you know, mind anybody else doing it. All that I'm bringing up is if we're gonna truly be nationals, I don't think we can really go there. I don't know. I mean, that's that's how I look at it.
[03:04:01] Unknown:
Yeah. May I? Yeah. Addressing the, the trust, and I'm surprised that Brent didn't mention this, but like you say, he's the statutory guy and he wants a statutory trust. But under the common law, a trust is just a simple contract. That's all it is. It's a contract. We have our Yep. Absolutely. Contract. Under the constitution, we have a right. Yep. So why can't we just claim that the, the common law is the law that's gonna, adjudicate any
[03:04:34] Unknown:
disagreement? You don't need to That's you don't need to get up. We should be able to make up our own documents in in all these regard.
[03:04:42] Unknown:
You have.
[03:04:43] Unknown:
Trust. That's what Mark treats that's what Mark teaches you to do. It's a private family trust, which, under the Saint Germain Act does not trigger any due on sale clauses. If you put a house into it, you don't get an IRS number. You don't register it and get an IRS number unless you want it for banking purposes only because the bank is gonna need a number from the IRS, and there's a way to register it on the IRS website for banking purposes only. So let's say you wanna put money into that, trust that has your house and you wanna be able to pay the property tax taxes and your HOA fees and your homeowners insurance directly through that trust bank account, you can do that. But there's other ways to do it where you don't register it with the IRS and you can still make the payments, on those properties if you have if you own it outright and there's no mortgage on it where you can still make it from another account.
So you know, there's ways around all of these things. The trust documents just need to specify these things, and that's it. And it's a private family trust, and you don't have to register it. And you you just take the terms on what you want, for that property.
[03:06:07] Unknown:
For some reason, all trusts are in equity and not in common law. I think once you say it's a common law trust, you're actually talking about something that I could wrap my head around because but calling it a trust, I think, is a mistake. It's just like calling yourself a resident.
[03:06:24] Unknown:
I think the problem right now is that the courts that we have are so lawless that they're not recognizing common law right now. My understanding is that they're just not recognizing it. The same thing with a bill of exchange. We know that, bill of exchange is legal tender, but they're not recognizing it because we have just utter lawlessness here. And so it's just like the, birth certificate trust that we have. We have an actual birth certificate trust called the Legacy Treasury account, and we are the grantors, and we are the beneficiaries of those. I've got all the codes and regulations on how they set them up.
[03:07:10] Unknown:
Technically, Julie, it it they're not the lawless ones when we're agreeing with them. If we use their stuff to do that we're we're accepting a benefit, and then we've got the duty.
[03:07:25] Unknown:
Right. So Alright. But then saying I I just need to make up
[03:07:30] Unknown:
our own documentation and verbiage for everything that we do. Right. Right. And in my particular case, I'm always trying to involve my creator in it because that's the ultimate owner of everything.
[03:07:45] Unknown:
I agree. Then that's what the creator's been doing for me. It's directing me to all of this research. I ask the creator every day, I mean, I would like to learn this. If you're okay with that, can you please direct me to the materials on how to how to do this? And so I'm with you on that. And you can create your own that's the beauty of the common law trust. You can create your own private trust. That's what all of the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds have, are their own private trust. And you actually can be in control of those trusts where you don't own anything, the trust owns it, but you control it. And Brent disagrees with that. You can't have control over it. He's saying you can pierce that. Not according to Mark, you can't as long as you have the six key elements to set up these trusts, They are not it's irrevocable trust. They're not pierceable. And you can actually have a revocable trust inside an irrevocable trust, which Mark teaches you how to do.
[03:08:50] Unknown:
Yeah. How can you like, in the land situation, we used to we used to all be allodial owners. Now they they've taken that away. Right. But you didn't need a trust to protect your land. And if it was your will to pass it on to your heir, there was no probate, etcetera. This is all new stuff that they've laid on us, and now they give us they give us, okay, options. You can take a trust and say that, okay. Now I can protect it. You know? I mean, it's still their stuff, and I I don't know. I just
[03:09:27] Unknown:
Well, unfortunately, we're under a, we don't have money. All we have is currency, fiat currency backed by our labor. Unfortunately, these globalists, before you and I were ever born, rolled out all this evil crap, and were the recipients of it. And so, yeah, being a national is one way to get out of this system. But, you know, if they're going to roll out these digital central bank digital currencies and digital IDs, it's not going to matter if you're a national anymore because you're going to be subject to their digital system regardless of what realm you put yourself in.
I mean, that's the agenda for the new world order and the great reset. It's taking place right now.
[03:10:13] Unknown:
Well, I'm Julie, what I'm trying to do is put myself under the protection of my creator. That's what I'm trying to do. Yeah. So, that's the ultimate, authority and the one who has the last say. And I think if we geared our documentation towards that and our state status instead of the feudal slave status, we could begin to change a lot of this. But in this group, I just don't see people I mean, I've got countless hours in trying to do the land patent, and right now, it's all it's all gonna hinge on a quick claim deed, which is a quick claim from me to me. Okay? Right. But the only way I can enter in my elodium and patent document, I have to attach it to the quick claim.
It's the only way I can get my affidavit in in to the the recorder's office is I have to attach it to the quitclaim. Now it's gonna be God's will whether they accept it or not because those documents are gonna get read by county attorneys.
[03:11:24] Unknown:
So I can tell you. The chances of those going through and getting recorded are gonna be in God's hands, not mine. There's there's too many court cases that say that's all through ego, a deed from yourself to yourself. It's just not that's not gonna work. I can tell you that. I'm from very familiar with land patents, and I've seen so many cases where people try to do that and it just fails. This is just gonna fail.
[03:11:51] Unknown:
What do you mean you can't quit claim yourself from your old citizen to the national status or the state status? The a feudal slave to Not the court. It's a legal status. It's two different league. Well, yeah, this this stuff shouldn't be in the courts. That's my point.
[03:12:08] Unknown:
Right. I agree with you there, but where else you're gonna go?
[03:12:17] Unknown:
That's where the abatements come in. Nobody try not not very many people here of trying the abatement process either, which would attack their procedure. Their procedure is unlawful.
[03:12:30] Unknown:
The abatement process doesn't work anymore. They have created all the lawless laws that they're not accepting, acceptance for value or abatements or, any of that stuff anymore. Unfortunately, you've gotta go and you've gotta get access to your
[03:12:47] Unknown:
Julie, a lot of this stuff is based on the fact, I believe, and this is a belief too, that the people that are bringing this stuff forward and not successful with it are not of the state status. They're feudal slaves. The courts know that, So they don't have that authority.
[03:13:06] Unknown:
The the way you have to do it now, because they have had people successfully do this in the past, and they've taken all of our CUSIP numbers, our birth certificate numbers that were turned into bank notes. They've basically taken all those, and they've merged them all together into one master account. And you've gotta go, and you've got you've gotta handle this with the IRS, which is the accountant, and you've got you've got to ask for your offset. So there's file there's things that need to be filed with the IRS in order to get access to your trust number 62, which is in Puerto Rico, which is under Title 31 USC thirteen twenty one, Section 62, which is Trust Number 62 for the Internal Revenue Services, which is where our legacy trust our legacy account is.
And it's sitting down in Puerto Rico for a reason because it's very difficult to get access to that down there when it's in a US territory. But, like you've been talking about for a long time, a lot of the stuff was revealed in the fruit from the poisonous tree with Melvin Stamper. They just changed it around after he wrote that book.
[03:14:29] Unknown:
Yeah. The so far, the the county has looked at my quick claim deed, and the the people in the recorder's office are telling me how to make it work more than giving me trouble about but they are probably still, if unless I get real lucky, gonna have the county attorneys read it. Now the girls at the desk are not don't have any problem with the the grantor and the grantee being the same, but they wanted their little box put on it for the exemption for non it's not a taxable event that has to go on and things like that. They wanted to mention that it's in an unincorporated area of the county, you know, things like that.
They're actually being quite helpful. So I may have a situation where we have people, and they they are allowing land patents in from what I can tell, but they can't be submitted as a land patent. They have to be attached to something that they will accept, which in I've chose a quitclaim deed because I, I've been working on my quitclaim deed for quite some time and how that's worded. And it also says what land is, points that out, etcetera. It's it's a pretty complicated one page document. Anyways, I'll I'll pray for me that I get it done because, this is how we, I think, used to protect what we had. And, you know, prior to to to losing Swift versus Tyson, we could move in and out of contract, of and the protections of the constitution at will.
Now with the commerce clause and how they've sewn all that up and and making us all DC citizens, we're under a contract with them in so many different ways, and and and and starting to restitute those things is I think it's our obligation as followers of this
[03:16:55] Unknown:
of Roger and what Yeah. Roger has given us. So I think if you wanna understand what you wanna what to do for your remedy, you can look at the case United States versus Lopez where the government admitted that they're operating under the commerce clause and the contract clause. That's how they get out from under the constitution. Everything the government does is under the commerce clause. Everything is contract and everything is commerce. There is no money. It's a book entry system, and that's how you wanna understand that so that you know what to do for your remedy.
[03:17:34] Unknown:
Yeah. And that name is your matrix name that they've created for you because they can't deal with the flesh and blood.
[03:17:41] Unknown:
Yep.
[03:17:42] Unknown:
And it's also in the title oh, what is it? Title 46 where, you know, you're a vessel of The United States. Yep. And Rogers says we're not under Admiralsy. Well, you know, I mean, you don't use upper and lower case on ship names either.
[03:18:00] Unknown:
So what you have to do is we have these indenture trustees, and they're the attorney general. So we have to give the indentured trustee an instrument to do the set off if you wanna do it properly. And the easiest way now is to use the IRS because if you wanna use the courts and the banks and the government agencies, they do not want to accept any type of negotiable instruments from you, even though they're committing commercial fraud, and they are actually obligated to take it. They have now gone behind our backs, and they have written policies so strongly against our ability to do it, that it's not worth the time to do this and, try to do any sort of law with them because you end up litigating, getting in court with them. And it's, just easier and faster to go to the IRS and get it handled through their ledger, they owe us a set off.
So we're the creditors and the government is the debtor.
[03:19:07] Unknown:
Well, the fourteenth amendment says you you you can't, say anything about the debt. You have no,
[03:19:13] Unknown:
you know Well, we're not part of the fourteenth amendment anymore, so we can.
[03:19:19] Unknown:
I think that point needs to be made when we're talking to them. Yep.
[03:19:27] Unknown:
So anyway, all of our government obligations are backed by the labor of the estate holders, I e, basically, the credit of the nation. And it represents a mortgage on all the homes and all the property of the people of the nation. And that was in senate document number 43 of the seventy third congress first session, congressional record, 03/09/1933 on HR fourteen ninety one, page 83. The obligations of The United States shall be receivable for all public dues. And all banking business has been suspended, by presidential emergency under the Emergency Banking Relief Act of 03/09/1933 that Roger discusses all the time.
So basically, book entry credit is an acceptable form of business transaction within the borders of The United States. We just need to ask for a set off of our debts, which gets done through the IRS, which now we have to do down in Puerto Rico because they're trying to hide it from us.
[03:21:11] Unknown:
What do we do when they do away with the IRS?
[03:21:14] Unknown:
They're doing away with the very agency that is at our disposal to do this. They're doing that on purpose. They're doing they're doing that on purpose, Paul. We're going to a new carbon footprint. It's just so evil right now. I can't even see straight. So you got, you got 90% of the world's central banks that are rolling out CBDCs, programmable digital currencies that will operate as fiat currencies and they will be controlled and issued by the central banks. They're going to monitor every single transaction obliterating all of your privacy and on anonymity.
And they can be programmed to work or not work depending on the nature of your transaction and what you can purchase with it, and it will decide what transactions will or will not go through under the guise of quote unquote saving the planet, otherwise known as your carbon footprint.
[03:22:21] Unknown:
Yeah. Credit cards were the precursor to all of this Mhmm. Where, you you know, I mean, I've never used them or liked them. And they're they're just us saying, well, we're okay with this piece of plastic that means absolutely nothing, and can track every transaction you make. So it's already been done. Most people use their credit cards, and that's all they use. Yep.
[03:22:50] Unknown:
I mean, the only thing we can do is try to get a hold of our get a hold of our senators locally here, locally in your area and get a group of people together, say no. It doesn't matter. I mean, Roger disagrees with me. The Federal Reserve system is totally different from a central bank. It's not the same thing. They were set up totally differently. And that's why Trump came out and said, I will never allow CBDC in The United States. We don't have central banks. We have Federal Reserve Bank. And he just lied to us because he's rolling out stablecoins.
Stablecoins are the same thing. They're digital programmable currencies with centralized control to them. So what we're going through right now is the financial world war. Any financial reset over the past, I don't know how many hundreds of years has always been preceded by wars.
[03:23:52] Unknown:
Well, the force turning is is putting it right around 02/1930. I mean, we're already in it, but Yeah. That's gonna be the end. Yep. It's gonna be the
[03:24:02] Unknown:
accumulation of of World War three. Yep. I mean, we have been the center of the world's financial system for so many years. Before us was the British. Before the British were the Dutch, and this is just rinse and repeat. Recycle, recycle, recycle.
[03:24:21] Unknown:
Yeah. It was the old New York Dutch that were behind the Knights of the Golden Circle. From from North America, they created the animosity in the South and the armaments to get us into that civil war.
[03:24:38] Unknown:
Yep.
[03:24:42] Unknown:
Which was the end of our freedoms.
[03:24:45] Unknown:
So, basically, what's happening here is the central banks are gonna be getting rid of the treasuries. And, that's what you have around the world going on right now. We have a new transition rolling out, and I don't know. We don't know when all this is gonna happen. So I say right now, if you can get a hold of any of your legacy estate, a legacy trust, SUSKV, birth certificate, whatever you wanna call it. They use it's all the same thing. You know? We don't we we why not try?
[03:25:23] Unknown:
Yeah. And it the gentleman who talked about the land patents, I really don't put a lot of value on the land patent. It particularly I think you're you're you're not really serious about your property if you don't have a clear chain of title. But the main thing in my document is is the elodium and through Jesus Christ, and that's how I'm attacking the whole particular problem. If you read the book of the hundreds, they're not high on the land patents. They also see that as a, a contrivance to a certain extent. I'm probably a little more optimistic than they are about what their statements are in there about it, And it's part of my documentation, but it is part of the documentation.
The elodium is even mentioned first, and it go I go through all that before I go to the land patent.
[03:26:21] Unknown:
Yep. Hey. Hey, Samuel. Are you saying that you do not for for euro elodium, you do not have to research all the original owners of your land?
[03:26:35] Unknown:
No. I think it's very good that you do that. You should have it it's called a chain of title or chain of custody of what happened to that land over time so that you can prove. And that's basically what a title company is, but they only go back usually a generation or two to say it's okay because they figured somebody else looked at over it, the generations before them. So they don't do the full chain, but what you really wanna have if you want to be serious about the land is you have full chain of title from the land patent all the way to yourself. That's that's, I think, important so that you can prove that you can take ownership of it.
[03:27:19] Unknown:
Yeah. So do you think you will submit your do you think you will submit your Allodium within the year?
[03:27:30] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm I'm working on it. It it's, it's difficult for me because I don't have a computer, and I used to have a legal secretary. I don't have that anymore. I used to be able to just dictate to her, and she would get it down for me. And then I would review it and then have her make changes, and all this stuff is sort of gone by the wayside. I'd I'd I've, I've got a friend helping me right now, and so we have to be able to schedule when both our times work for that. And in the meantime, I used the time to just to go over it and read it. I read it over and over again. I scrutinize every word, all the punctuation as well as the capitalization, etcetera.
And if nothing else, I'm getting a good exercise in, what I think can work, you know, and and and why it would work. Now it's still up to the county attorney who's gonna read this thing. If unless I can get if I can go directly to the recorder, and that's my gonna be my first and if I can get a friend to go with me who helped get her elected, and I can get her to file this thing without them even looking at it, and I know she's a religious woman. If she rereads it, I think she's gonna be moved by the document. So
[03:28:56] Unknown:
Good. Thank you.
[03:29:18] Unknown:
And if they don't file it, then I don't know what I'm gonna do. Maybe run it in the newspaper. Something like that. And then start when I send my notices out, it'll all go with my notice package to, like, the AG and the district attorney, sheriff's office, etcetera. But, what a pain in the butt. I hate this stuff. Not my ball of wax. You know?
[03:29:47] Unknown:
I I think you're better off
[03:29:49] Unknown:
skipping the recording in in the county because the county is actually private. I think you're better off just bringing it in the public record.
[03:29:59] Unknown:
Well, I want the county to I want I want sort of thinking about having the its county's important to the extent is because at some point, I'm gonna claim I'm gonna try to claim this that, okay. I'm no longer the color of anything. My status, my name, I'm gonna try to divorce all my ties with, the the color of a a sorority that they believe that they have over me. And then I'm gonna ask that because of this, I don't think they have any reason to have me on the tax rolls. So that's also a county issue. And for that reason, I would love to get it into the county record as well.
[03:30:48] Unknown:
Okay. Well, I can help you with all that stuff because I've already been through through it. I studied land patents and property tax for the last twenty years.
[03:30:58] Unknown:
Have you gotten off property roles?
[03:31:02] Unknown:
No. Yeah.
[03:31:04] Unknown:
But I know what the problems are. I know exactly what what the problems are that you're gonna run into.
[03:31:11] Unknown:
Well, I think one of the main problems is is that we don't assert ourselves as state citizens. The patriot movement, which I've been part of for probably fifty years, is full of good good people with good arguments that didn't realize that they were feudal property and had volunteered into that and never removed it. Didn't mean their arguments weren't correct. They just weren't being recognized.
[03:31:47] Unknown:
Have you asked? Yep. I think honestly that, you need to revoke and reinvest your trust. You need to take back your bond, and collapse it. And that's how you take your property back. And so if you look at title 26, United States code six seventy one through six seventy seven, but six seventy six is where you have the power to revoke. It says that you, the grantor, shall be treated as the owner of any portion of a trust and all of our securities are in that trust. And you the grant you're the grantor. You have the right to revoke and re vest that trust at any time. There are certain documents that have to be filed. And first, you have to start out out with your affidavit of identity theft with the IRS, which is form 14,035.
And you make your complaint with the Federal Trade Commission claiming identity theft.
[03:33:01] Unknown:
And that's how It's easier than all that. I I'm hoping it's easier than all that because I don't really quite wanna get into all of that. I've already spent way too much time on this stuff as far as I'm concerned.
[03:33:11] Unknown:
I know. But they own all your property right now. They own everything. They own you and all your property and everything you've acquired, through your QSIP and your birth certificate trust. And if you don't revoke it, I don't understand how you think you're going to take back any of the title to anything you own, including your allodial
[03:33:30] Unknown:
title, your Like I said, I hope it's simpler than that. And have you read Libros? I don't think it is. I don't think it is. Have you read Libros' declaration of independence?
[03:33:41] Unknown:
I have, but I don't think that that matters. I don't think all these declaration of independence accounts, work from the standpoint that we're bankrupt and that we were collateralized. Everything, our labor and all of our assets were collateralized against the debt. And we're we have securities. And so, all these government officials are just not doing nothing but their trustees over the trust. And all of our, securities have been put into this trust, and we have the right to revoke them. Once you revoke your securities, and we are nationals now, I think that is how we take back our property.
[03:34:23] Unknown:
I think that's what exactly what his declaration of independence is doing. It's revoking you out. It's expatriating you out of this system, and you're you're you're posting it in the paper of record for as many days as this makes it lawful. And then you're you're stating that you're out of that system.
[03:34:46] Unknown:
I don't know. We have I think we have to revoke our bid performance and payment bonds, and they have to they have engaged in willful fraud and concealment of our securities that got to turn them over to us or they're in violation of SCC rule 10 b five where you have standing to sue civilly and criminally because they're not they're not turning this over. We got to revoke it and reverse our own bond that they have created under our CUSIP number or have to collapse it. And by collapsing it, that's how you take your property back.
[03:35:31] Unknown:
Well, what he says in this thing goes back to the day before the fourteenth amendment, the Expatriation Act, and he says, it's short. I'll read it. Okay? I I think this is what you're getting at, and I think this is a lot simpler and I and more understandable for me anyway. Says I, John or Jane Doe, in the name of almighty creator, by my declaration of independence, pendants, solemnly publish and declare my right to expatriate absolute my resident trust to the foreign jurisdiction known as the Municipal Corporation of the District of Columbia, a democracy, and return to the Republic.
Any and all past and present political ties implied by operational of law or otherwise entrust with the democracy is hereby dissolved. I, John, or Jane Doe, have full power to contract, establish commerce as guaranteed by the full 10 amendments to the bill of rights to the constitution of The United States Of America, every public. That's signed and done and notarized and put in the paper.
[03:36:43] Unknown:
Yeah. But I don't think that is that I don't think that's the remedy. Every single statutory court and agency in The United States, has acquired your birth certificate, res, as a secured property for their bid performance and payment bonds, which are evidenced by your CUSIP. And they didn't have the authority to commit identity theft with your estate trust. They're in they're in violation of title 26 US code paragraph seventy two zero one, which is fraud and false statement statements in violation of 20 title 26 US code section 7,206 and securities fraud in violation of SEC rule, 10 b five.
So what we need to do
[03:37:40] Unknown:
is we need to revoke this and take this back and take our property back. That's what he's talking about, Julia, your resin trust to a foreign jurisdiction. He's saying it right there. Yeah. I mean, I think he's got it covered in a paragraph. And, he he says all you have to do is publish that in the local paper of record. And then if you don't get back into commerce by having a, interest bearing bank account and if you don't pay bills outside of the state lines, with anything other than money orders, you should be okay.
I like the simplicity of that. What you're talking about is above my pay grade.
[03:38:30] Unknown:
But I think he covers what you're getting at. I I truly do. But you think it has to be done through the IRS because the IRS does the accounting and the set off, and we're entitled to set off set off since we're the creditors.
[03:38:44] Unknown:
And they're the debtors that apply to the IRS for thirty years.
[03:38:49] Unknown:
I know. But there you can do this by filing certain I don't want anything to do with them, please. Them.
[03:38:58] Unknown:
Sorry. And for for those who wanna know where that declaration is, it's on page 49 of Bost's, USA, the republic, the house that nobody lives in. And I'm pretty sure that's posted on the, on the site on the on the website. Right, Paul? But, yeah, you get that notarized. You publish it in the paper. I mean, that's a pretty clear statement of what your intentions are. And he's basically Gross doesn't use the national status, but it throughout the document, he's talking about not being a fourteenth amendment citizen. So this is his way of saying he's a state citizen or a somebody not involved in the res or that he's no longer a res in that trust, which is a piece of property.
Anyway Comment? Yeah. Please.
[03:40:22] Unknown:
If you're accused of a crime, you can walk into court and declare yourself not guilty. How far is that gonna go?
[03:40:44] Unknown:
I don't I don't get if that's a question or a statement or
[03:40:49] Unknown:
It was just a comment.
[03:40:54] Unknown:
Well, these courts, you know, they all the states have gone into this, in in the thirties as well, the the federal rules. It's all been homogenized. And our our common law are should be if it if if you really look at the old tradition of common law, this is something that is done in and accepted in the community you live in, not some faraway place. It's what the customs were in that community, and that was pretty much it.
[03:41:40] Unknown:
And it's all about territorial jurisdiction. You know? You can choose to enter the territory of DC and work in their jurisdiction if you are, remove yourself from that jurisdiction, fight in their courts, etcetera, etcetera, or you can choose be without them.
[03:41:57] Unknown:
Yeah. It's another one of those very deceptive terms. Brost gets in in his piece territory. I mean, there's more than one, and it's also a very deceptive term that they use to their advantage over us.
[03:42:27] Unknown:
Yeah. I forget. Was that in the chart that he had there? We talked about territory. I'm trying to remember.
[03:42:36] Unknown:
Yeah. He his charts are are like sort of a quick review of what he goes through in in the document, and then he'll present a chart that sort of sums it all up. Yeah. But he gets into more depth in if you read the whole thing. But the charts are good just to get an idea of where he's coming from. All you have to do is get that piece and look at the I think he's got about four or five charts in there.
[03:43:03] Unknown:
Yeah. Which
[03:43:04] Unknown:
are nice. I like them.
[03:43:06] Unknown:
What I like about, you know, the work that I've been studying with regard to trust with, if you if there's been an interest generated, say, let's say, you know, back to the birth certificate point that, The United States, by virtue of the consideration that they gave the states to record the live the event, they didn't record people. They recorded events. But then they use that, to create whatever else they want, driver's licenses, other licensing, all the even the passport, off of that descriptor at information by the informant.
So what what you could do is you could restate. You could notate the trust. And the way that they've broken it down with the work that, you know, was recorded at the county level would be to, just break the trust up by, signing use of refractory interest, assigning reversionary interests, and, you know, making this making the state in essence. So you own nothing. You make the state responsible for all the profits and the liabilities, and you're out of commerce. So you can restate trusts, and and that's kinda how they were doing it, which I thought was interesting. And, yes, you're using the law. You're using equity.
But what does it say? The law follows equity?
[03:44:31] Unknown:
So
[03:44:34] Unknown:
Well, it it should be equity follows law. I'm sorry. Correct. Because in the old days, they used to have separate courts. They used to the main matter was was done in in in in in in the common law, which is very strict. And then if they felt that that wasn't dealing with the details to the nth degree, they could allow equity in as a remedy to try to be a little more fair about the strictness of the common law. So it was a it was a good balance when they did that. But what they did, like, if you read somebody like Roscoe Pound, he was a judge and he and he grew up from the end of the civil war all the way up into the twentieth century and and he he was pro more equity but what he saw in the end and he states in the end equity became more inflexible than the common law itself.
And yet we call it equity, you know. Mhmm. Yeah. And it it it's it's got us all enslaved is what it has. And that's it's one of the things. Trusts are all inequity. It it's it's like my land patent says, you know, this document suffers no disabilities inequity. There are disabilities inequity. And the biggest disability I see is that's the kind of court you're gonna be adjudicated in, and you don't wanna be there, especially as state citizens. I mean, basically, the federal government took the stance that that the the bill of rights, that was for the states, had nothing to do with the federal government. Right?
Well, the the federal government forgets to tell you, well, they they are the states, yet they still deny it. You know? Well, they they're just going along with what they agreed is that it doesn't mean anything to them. So pretty much what we've got.
[03:46:52] Unknown:
Right. The states are state ofs are just franchises of the territory using you you know, which they they basically continued to Northwest ordinance and kinda laid even though the organic 13 colony state is there. The feds just especially by operation of the fourteenth in Reconstruction, they just solidified the Northwest ordinance still overall that so they could be, like, the governor of the state. So and then they they see on the current carry currency letter, they just you know? Or, actually, I'm not sure if it was his. You know? It wasn't his quote, but it was a quote, oh, it's a quote by Andrew Johnson in his override of of the, in his veto of the Reconstruction Act. He says, hey. You're just basically making mistakes
[03:47:45] Unknown:
dependent on the federal monies. You know? Yeah. The Prost makes the the whole point is the fourteenth amendment trust. It's a trust of the of of the District Of Columbia, which is called a democracy. It Correct. You know? I mean, trust law to me is not to be trusted, so to speak. But I don't know. You know? I mean, I can see why people wanna protect themselves too, and they don't wanna go through the manifestations I'm going through to try to do it another way. It it would be a lot easier for me to just to do a do a trust,
[03:48:36] Unknown:
but I don't know. Well, I finally got my, burner phone, so I'm gonna get on to get on to forget what the name, not Twitter, but the other one, Telegram, and see where these documents if they've if they've changed them at all. But the idea they were going for was to actually make the persona of the birth certificate person into a religious, a religious entity that could do God's work on earth. So you're kinda flipping there, you know, you're flipping there, whatever, satanic version of the deal is, and you're flipping it, and you're putting you know, you're kind of restoring the book of Job. Hey, Joe. You know? Say, you got some power here, but at the end of the day, I'm gonna give triple triple back to, my servant, you know.
And, yeah, there's gonna be some tests for him, but he's not gonna curse God, you know. And I think there's there's a metaphor there for us. You know, looking at the birth certificate as a kind of Christ, a redemptive, metaphor and given us access to the father to the father on earth, which would be the treasury, you know, which is the treasury.
[03:49:49] Unknown:
Yeah. What, Telegram channel are you gonna get on?
[03:49:56] Unknown:
Law I think it's called law of Boris. That's that's the last ones that I What is that? It's called. What? It was called law of Boris. I don't know if it was there. Oh. Everything on the rumble was private stash, but it was rep it was referencing law of forest.
[03:50:14] Unknown:
So on top I think I'm already on that.
[03:50:18] Unknown:
Yeah. Is it still active? Or
[03:50:24] Unknown:
Let's see here. I think the last post was April eighteenth of this year.
[03:50:42] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. Because that they had a lot of things that they were submitting in the courts and around, you know, restatement of trust and using the using the, the religious
[03:50:58] Unknown:
amendment as well. Right. They've got a lot of files on here. They've got a, George, they've got a lot of files on here about the, role of the birth certificate and stuff like that. We talked about how the birth certificates have been pledged by the nation to the IMF in exchange for a drawing. Right? When they talk about how the IMF is the US Treasury, it's just one of the same. But my understanding is we need to use the IRS to revoke our securities that the IRS is fraudulently creating a ten ninety nine a form when we submit our taxes and stealing our property.
And if you go and look at the, ten ninety nine form, ten ninety nine a form, it says acquisition of secured property. So when you file a tax return, the IRS is creating a ten ninety nine a, and stealing your property unlawfully.
[03:52:04] Unknown:
The the book of the 100 says we should get a we should forget about our birth certificates and be using our baptismal certificate, which I just did get a copy of about a month ago. Didn't have one, so I had to go back to my old parish and get them to generate me a a replacement.
[03:52:23] Unknown:
Yeah. But by filing ten ninety nine a form, that goes back to the, affidavit of identity theft, which is Form 14,039. You make your claim with the Federal Trade Commission claiming identity theft by the IRS and file your ten ninety nine properly. So you hit the ledger directly and tell the IRS you want your money back because that's who's been saving us.
[03:52:56] Unknown:
Julie, is there a section on there about, restatement or novation of trust at all?
[03:53:04] Unknown:
Nope. No. It's all about it's all about revoking your securities, which they used your QSIP number for, revoking them and taking them back. It's all about taking your minor estate back. You've got to collapse the bond so you can take your property back. And, title 26, United States Code six seventy one through six seventy seven is where you have the power to revoke them, but it's specifically six seventy six. It states that the grantor, and that would be you, is the owner, which would be you, of any portion of a trust. And our securities are in a trust.
We, we have the we have the power to take our money back and grant for titles to such portion of our CUSIP. So what we have to do is revoke that trust, and we have to file the IRS documents properly. And it starts with claiming that we have identity theft because under October a, the IRS stole our secured property. And it doesn't do any good going after all these courts and stuff because they're all you're gonna get tied up in court, and they're all fraudulent, so you go and do the paperwork. It's kinda like when you get a traffic ticket. You go and use the paper within three days and try to get it cleared up through the courts on, who you harmed in a traffic ticket and how you're trying to settle this.
You're trying to settle this, I guess you'd say outside the outside the court system, outside the bar. But, you don't wanna take this into the public realm because it's just not gonna do anything good. You can either do a, ten ninety nine c if you wanna discharge it, or you could do a ten ninety nine b and take your money back. But you need to have your QSIP, and you gotta do it to the exact penny. Because you don't want to cheat the Treasury Department at all, you just want the money back that's been taken from you. So you're acting as the creditor and you're basically hitting the ledger with the IRS and there's nothing they can do.
It sits on their transcript can't transcript and they have to cancel and discharge the accounting on their side, and this was set up by the banking system in the beginning. It was supposed to be very simple, and they were supposed to be doing the accounting properly for our securities, but they've not been paying the taxes that they owe on the securities, and that would be the IRS. And the IRS is, my understanding is that they are kind of running scared. And, yeah, the IRS is going to go. That's why they're trying to roll out the carbon tax. So while we have time, try to do the accounting with the IRS right now while they still exist. Because I think they're going to take them down and then they're going to institute our digital prison, our digital concentration camps with our digital IDs and our and our digital CBDCs, whether you want to call them central bank digital currencies, or you want to call them stable coins, they will all be tokenized on the blockchain system. And they will all be controlled, monitored and programmed, maybe even programmed to expire if you don't use them by a certain date.
[03:57:17] Unknown:
Julie, I'd like to make a distinction.
[03:57:20] Unknown:
Yes.
[03:57:21] Unknown:
Please do. You you mentioned not in the public. Well, what we're calling the public is actually their private system. Right. It's no it's no longer the public. We're trying to to get this stuff, you know, cleaned up, and that's that's another thing that Brose gets into. Where that distinction is, he's basically saying what we've got is some religious fanatics telling us how their government's supposed to be, and they have put their own private interests in our faces, making them so called law that we have to follow. So it'd be like another doctrine on you.
Right. It's it's for the people who haven't read Bros. Who are really interested in I think his point of view is is really quite right on for what Roger Beech is. So
[03:58:27] Unknown:
No. I I agree with you on that. The problem is we have to play their game. I mean, you don't want to, but at the end of the day, they have it's just complete and utter lawlessness. So if there's a way to get use their utter lawlessness to get ahold of our securities, our big performance and payment bonds, revoke them and get them back and get our property back that they've stolen, why not why not do it?
[03:58:56] Unknown:
Yeah. I just think that using using their tools to do it is is potentially a mistake. I don't, you know I mean, you're you're steeped way more in this financial system than I ever will be, and, I just believe in, you know, the basics. Like, where did our gold and silver back currency go? And, you know, why are they taking my cash away? Unfortunately, it's gone. And why are they taking my cash away next? You know? I mean, come on. I want my anonymity at least.
[03:59:31] Unknown:
Well, if you can you still have that CUSIP bond that's sitting in a trust since 1933 that you can take back, that you can revoke and re vest. And the best way to do it is by filing paperwork with the IRS and telling them that you want the ledger fixed and by filing an affidavit of identity fraud, since these people are to these these entities are creating securities out of us, they don't even have securities licenses to do this. And then they're signing our name to this crap.
[04:00:12] Unknown:
Yeah. It's a criminal organization. Yeah. Basically.
[04:00:20] Unknown:
Yep. And I'm on your page 49 of the Brost book and it says since the fourteenth amendment, religious conscience has been allowed to become public policy that is contrary contrary to the first amendment a man or a few men's religious ideas are now constantly becoming or changing public policy because of the formation of the public charitable church trust of the fourteenth amendment operating outside the confines of the constitution.
[04:00:56] Unknown:
Yep. Puts it well, doesn't it?
[04:00:59] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. And so, basically, it's it's basically saying on here that the public policy of the fourteenth amendment church, they are benefiting as a beneficiary of the trust. It says under the fourteenth Amendment, individual persons are put on the same level as corporations, also called persons, the state becomes the conscience of every member of its charitable trust and the conscience of the trust is the one who has the greatest amount of influence or money vis a vis special interest groups to sway vis a vis lobby the legislators. If you were involved in trying to influence and shape legislative law, for example, abortion, gun control supplements. You are involved in special interests attempting to dictate public public policy by way of the private religious conscience church known as the fourteenth amendment charitable Public Trust of the United States AKA the Federal Government.
And then if you look at the First Amendment of the Constitution, it was for the purpose of preventing religion from becoming government policy and it specifically states that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof or abridging the freedom of speech of the press or the right of people peacefully to assemble petition the government for a redo redress of grievances. However, this amendment has been misunderstood according to the court cases that have dealt with it. What the first amendment is about literally is to prevent an individual's personal religious religious conscience from being legislated into law as public policy. The first amendment said the government was not to interfere with one's right to express his conscience by making any public policy based on it.
So, you know, it's just lawlessly done whatever they wanna do. I mean, I don't even think the constitution applies. We're in a state of war since 1936. We're under martial law right now. State of emergency. I don't even think anybody's following this constitution anymore. I don't even think we have any constitution. Right. Is there anything on the, on the Telegram channel, on the Libra code or
[04:03:50] Unknown:
the, oh, Kelly. Talking about on the law of court? The Hague. The Hague. Yeah. The Hague because, K. Hold on. A lot of their formal work, they'd talk about exactly that, that the Libra code is really the philosophical framework, but it also gives us protections. Like you mentioned, if they're gonna use the religion of the fourteenth amendment, we can use the religion of our faith, you know, in their system, if you will. Because it's a system that God, you know, has on on Europe right now.
[04:04:23] Unknown:
I don't see very many files under law of Boris Boris. I only see,
[04:04:30] Unknown:
Boris has a new, Telegram channel. It's called refining the trim tab. Refining what? The trim tab.
[04:04:40] Unknown:
How do you spell the last word? Well, thank you.
[04:04:45] Unknown:
T r I m t a b.
[04:04:48] Unknown:
Oh, trim tab. Refining the That's a ref. Yeah. That's a ref. Yeah. Let me see if I can find that. Thank you. To Bucky.
[04:04:56] Unknown:
To Bucky. In the building. Front we're
[04:05:00] Unknown:
finding the trim tab. Okay. I see it. Hold on here.
[04:05:11] Unknown:
Caller, have you followed Boris's, work at
[04:05:16] Unknown:
all?
[04:05:17] Unknown:
Only for about fifteen years. Yeah.
[04:05:21] Unknown:
There you go. Are you familiar with Lex and, Jimbo and all those guys then?
[04:05:32] Unknown:
Yes, sir. Okay.
[04:05:38] Unknown:
Well, there's a document on here that you don't own your own name.
[04:05:48] Unknown:
Well, that's why they call it refining the trim tab because it's just a soapbox. Everybody can they can can it's just a wild storm there, but that's where,
[04:06:00] Unknown:
Boris posts and makes comments. Yeah. Refining the trim trim tab has a lot more files on it than law of Boris does.
[04:06:15] Unknown:
Yeah. They might have moved every kinda ported everything over there. Howdy.
[04:06:22] Unknown:
They got the Tim Schock book for the banking stuff over there. And they've got a bunch of stuff on used to fracked on here, George.
[04:06:37] Unknown:
Yeah. The channel right now mainly focuses on territorial jurisdiction.
[04:06:43] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. That's where Lex brought a lot of that challenge in right for the, you know, basis so that they couldn't make a claim upon which relief would be granted if they couldn't if they didn't have territorial jurisdiction.
[04:06:57] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm trying to see if they have anything on here for the on here. And there are a bunch of stuff on notice of acceptances on here. Trying to find stuff on the lever code on here. Let me see. I got a bunch of stuff on discharging and how you write on these bills, pay to the order of the United States Treasury without recourse by authorized representative your date. And it talks about the statute going here. I'm trying to see if I can find something on a Lieber or the what other one did you want, George? Lieber and what else?
[04:07:55] Unknown:
The Hague. They they reference The Hague a lot because there's a lot of protections, based in nineteen o seven. Yep. When they knew they were gonna start doing all the the new international work, they were trying to protect the inhabit native inhabitants.
[04:08:16] Unknown:
Okay. I have the chat note note with the Libra code. Hold on here. Yep. It does. It has stuff on, the Libra code. We are a prisoner of war. Lieber Code article 40 talks about article 74, a prisoner of war being a public enemy, is a prisoner of the government. And this goes back to what the trading with the enemies act that we all have studied.
[04:08:54] Unknown:
Correct. Yep. Yep.
[04:08:56] Unknown:
Excellent. Okay. So basis you for that. That the code is the basis of all international law. Inter means between national means person owing allegiance to and entitled to the protection of a sovereign state. Therefore, international law is the law governing relations between people of one nation and the peoples of other nations, I e, the people of The United Kingdom, represented by the crown of the United States of America, represented by the president, as opposed to intra national, which is the law governing relations between people within a sovereign nation. Sorry. My little boy here is having a, trachea coughing fit. Pico, I'm trying to talk on Roger Show. Can you please be quiet?
I can send this to you. George?
[04:09:56] Unknown:
That'd be great. That'd be great, Julia. Yeah. That's, a lot of what, you know, I printed off, the documents from the different Rumble channel,
[04:10:06] Unknown:
podcast. So I just text you. I just text to you. It uses a lot of the Cornell law with the US code text on it.
[04:10:17] Unknown:
Mhmm. Okay.
[04:10:21] Unknown:
Oh, wait. It just said it failed to send to you. Why?
[04:10:26] Unknown:
Oh,
[04:10:33] Unknown:
k. I'll just email it to you instead.
[04:10:41] Unknown:
I got a little bit here with the use of the word territory in in a piece on here. He says, it is what the citizen is unaware of is that the first 10 amendments to the constitution called the bill of rights were passed as public in law amendments by the states in this union known as the Republic Of The United States Of America. These do not apply to the several states that are political subdivisions of a territory of the fourteenth amendment trust of the District of Columbia called the democracy.
[04:11:17] Unknown:
What page are you on?
[04:11:21] Unknown:
56.
[04:11:22] Unknown:
56? Okay. Hold on. I'm going there right now. Hold on.
[04:11:25] Unknown:
Where was I? K. Go ahead.
[04:11:27] Unknown:
I see. Go ahead.
[04:11:29] Unknown:
I'm looking where I okay. I lost my space. Where I was? You're talking about the territory. Okay. Yeah. The fourteenth Amendment Trust is a District of Columbia called the democracy. In the opposite vein, amendments 11 through 25 were passed as private at law amendments by the several states operating as political subdivisions of the trust and have no application to the republic and its citizens. Amendments 11 through 25 function outside the constitution. Any additional amendments that would be added by the constitution a constitute con convention would be added as more private law only by the several states as a democracy outside the republic and its constitution.
The more amendments democracy wants to add will give more will not give more freedom and rights. On the contrary, only more oppression and control. He does a nice explanation to a lot of people, you know, what's the common law? He says, it's simple. With with Bros. Puts it, he says, all private action groups have failed to make any difference because of their inability to recognize that our nation was established first and foremost as an assembly of individuals acting independently in their own best interest without harm to one another. Basic general common law.
That's what we need to get back to. All these crimes that they've got on the books that Stanford says 45,000,000, you know, I mean, that's just there to spank us at will.
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It's really weird because it says that between 1868 and 1933, the fourteenth amendment had little effect upon the general population. This was because the people still controlled the substance of their law. That is the people the only people affected by the fourteenth Amendment relation during that time were those that held licenses and contracts with the government of the United States or were in employment. And it says that it was not until June fifth of nineteen thirty three that the fourteenth Amendment took on a whole new power. And that was the House Joint Resolution 192, was passed and the American people voluntarily gave up their law because they voluntarily gave up their gold.
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Right.
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Voluntarily give up their gold. They were ordered to give up their gold or face stiff penalties, fines, and prison.
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Yeah. You're right. Should've been a revolution. Voluntarily,
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though. Should've been a revolution right there and then.
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It says right here, all that it appeared from what history, so Julie. It says right here that it appeared from what took place that the people were forced to give up their gold. However, that is not what could have happened going along with public policy of House Joint Resolution 192 is actually a voluntary act and is mutable at will. And it says thus the individual was a victim of his own ignorance about the law. By accepting the offer of the private credit, the population was automatically bound over to the private trust now having gone public because the whole population was moved wholesale into the trust by their silent or negative acceptance. When 51% of the population volunteered for the private trust, it became a public trust.
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And that's when we became a democracy.
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Yep. Yep. And
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same thing with the fourteenth amendment. They passed the Expatriation Act the day before they that came into law, and that was supposedly your way to not agree with it. Right? But they didn't tell anybody that. You know? I found out, you know, about two years ago when I was reading Burrows or when I was reading Burrows that that thing even existed. And, of course, they refined it over the years because they didn't want the language of that original document to be out there. So by nineteen o one, they had changed it. And then 02/2007, they changed it. They changed it several times. Covered their tracks. Yep.
But Bro says it's it's still enforced, and that's why he uses that term in his his declaration of independence of expatriate. Absolutely. He's talking about that document, the expatriation act of 1868.
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Wow.
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Okay. Alright, guys. I'm gonna take the stream down. This is George. I would I would just love to leave it up, but I must leave, and then I won't be here to take it down later. So, let's let's do this. This has been the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales, including a very, very, very interesting after show. Catch us here Monday through Saturday, 11AM to 1PM eastern. Our website is thematrixdocs.com, thematrixd0cs.com. Our platforms are eurofolkradio.com. Thanks to pastor Eli James. Global Voice Radio Network and radiosoapbox.com picks us up Tuesdays through Fridays.
That's from our good buddy, Paul, across the pond. The after show will continue. I will have to reset the conference room. So if you wanna go to the matrixstocks.com and click on the free conference call link, you will be able to actually join the after show and get in on this discussion. I will leave the recording running on free conference calls so everything spoken here from 11AM this morning, until whenever people stop talking will be available using the call in playback number on Global Voice Network. Thanks. Blasting the voice of freedom worldwide, you're listening to the Global Voice Radio Network.
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Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.
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And as would we, and, we take a regular stab at it six days a week here at the Radio Ranch. Today is the end of the regular work week Friday program. That means cohost Brent Winders is here. I don't know that he's he likes to keep us in suspense. So he'll he'll arrive here, you know, in a minute, I think. We hope. And, as I said, I'm Roger Sales. Brent Winters will be along, hopefully, because we like these Friday broadcasts, and evidently so do you guys. So, anyway, we've got a, compliment of folks that, help us extend our reach, and mister Beaner is the keeper of said platforms or at least the announcement and recognition of them. And he's if I can drag him out from under the stairs there, we'll get him to go over that again today. Mister Paul, are you ready?
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Yeah. I think you'll be able to drag me out from under there with the treble hook. Yeah. And maybe Good. Good. Treble hook and a winch. Be a big one. Yeah. I or maybe one of those vaudeville hooks. You know?
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. The cane.
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Yeah. And off he goes exit stage right. We have a very light complement of platforms. WDRN is still working on issues legal, so we're on radiosoapbox.com. We're also on eurofolkradio.com. Thanks to pastor Eli James, and we're on Global Voice Radio Network. As usual, our website is thematrixdocs,d0cs,.com, and you'll find links to free conference calls so you can join us live on the show. We've got room for about, oh, 975 more of you, I guess. Alright. Well They'll come on down.
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Okay. Well, maybe they will. Maybe they won't. It, if they won't, they're gonna probably miss something because there's a lot of truth on this program as all of you know. Okay. Well, let me start out this way. As soon as I got out of bed, Jack called me this morning and told me about the death of, a guy I particularly liked, and, he lived down on the coast. He was a retired airline pilot. Just a joy to be around, laughing always. Just jovial and, great sense of humor. And, he passed away last night. Had a heart attack on Tuesday and, passed away last night. His name was Dan Swain. And, you've heard me refer to Dan. I did this so just this week, actually, not even knowing that he had had a heart attack.
Dan was the one that told me, said, you know, Roger, and he lived on the coast. I mean, we spent some time. Me him and his wife would come up here occasionally. He had an alternative doctor that he liked to visit up here. Anyway, he Dan's the one that said, you know, I never even opened a cover of a Bible in my entire adult life until I ran across this information. And now not only do I spend a a a little time every day in the word, but I'm also going back and exposing and teaching my grown children who I neglected to expose this information to when they were growing up. And, that was a profound testimonial. Yes. It was Dan Swain.
And, he'll be really missed. He was a great guy. His wife's flying back. She was in The States. Now they were both, both from Tulsa, Oklahoma. So they were some of the Oklahoma contingent here, and I just always look forward to, spending time with them when they were here. So I'll miss him greatly, and, I wish Jack could quit calling me and tell me all these people I really like are dying. You know? But, anyway, that did happen, and I wanted to announce it on the show. And, just, rest in peace, Dan Swayne. You're a hell of a guy. So, anyway
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You mentioned that story just yesterday. I did. Just this week. I knew. Yeah. Just yesterday, you talked about him and and how he had, told you that now he's going back to teach his adult children what he should've taught him before.
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Well, we never, you know, we never know when our strings are gonna get pulled, and, and it's just sad. And he didn't, show up on the show too much, maybe a couple of times in the early days, but he was just a pleasure to be around. He was developing and bought some land down there on the coast and was trying to develop some kind of, I don't know, housing or something and got hit right smack in the nose with COVID. It just put that whole thing on the back burner, and he's never been able to regenerate it. Now he's dead. So, anyway, I guess it makes some kind of a, a statement on our, importance. The fact that we're still here, we hadn't been called, and, we got work to do. So, anyway, I wanted to announce that. This is very sad. Kind of a sad way to start the program, but, anyway, wanted to get that out of the way.
So, otherwise, Brent, Brent hadn't tied his pony up out front, I guess, yet.
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Oh, I'm I'm here, Roger. Hey, Brent. Yeah. How you doing? How you doing? Yeah.
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I'm glad you got to hear that. Go ahead. I was just gonna say that the other part is, I I think maybe that, it appears at least at this point that I our our buddies over there in Satan's Sandbox may have, bit off a little more than they could chew. And, do you know, Brent, that it that, you know, they're firing these missiles back and forth for a few days? I guess you knew that. Right? Mhmm. Yep. Well, what the Iranians have done is they found a way to drain Israel because they've got these older cheap missiles that are, like, 200,000 a piece.
And they they're throwing them up over there at the Iron Dome where every time one of those missiles goes up, it's $12,000,000. So they're throw throwing the cheap missile at the expensive missile and it's draining Israel. And then after they get a few of those Golden Dome missiles shot up, then they can, let their, their other missiles penetrate, and Israel has been heavily damaged. They won't let it out any information, of course. But, Tel Aviv, at least half of Tel Aviv or more is destroyed. Now that will, you may or may not know that Tel Aviv has become the modern modern Sodom and Gomorrah. Did you know that, Brent? Yeah. Took the place of San Francisco. Frisco. Yep. Pretty much. Well, about half of that town's been destroyed evidently.
And, the Israelis are not in a good spot. And so now is Trump gonna come to the rescue, and all that may happen in the next couple of days. We'll see. But, they may have bit off more than they could chew. You you started it, you go finish it. So I've said on the show, both Pakistan and North Korea have offered to give, Iran nuclear weapons if they don't already have them and, which would indicate they don't already have them, by the way. And, man, I'd I'd just love to see them strap one of those and just lob it right over there.
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So, anyway, that, is my commentary. How are you doing this morning, Brent? Oh, we're okay. World is always on the verge of blowing up because there are those people in the world that, want to stir up trouble. And, over there, it's been a place where those people over there have kept the trouble stirred. Time out of memory, all my life, And, I've been advised by those closest to me from the time I was very young, stay away from it. Yep. Don't bother with them. Don't go over there. That's stupid. It's not our business. Leave them alone. You know, it's funny how they demonize the the Arabs, and the Arabs are they have some tendencies that don't fit in with our culture, of course, and and concepts. But,
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but, you know, they lived peacefully with the Jews and and the Arabs and the Christians over there for two thousand years.
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Uh-huh.
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And and it by the way, it was 85% Arab. So if this canard that they wanna kill everybody, they had plenty of chance. Couple thousand years, they never did any of that, and they all lived together pretty coexisted pretty peacefully until the Zionist moved in in the twenties. And that's when all the problems started. K? Yeah. European
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the European migration, that's all it was. It had nothing to do with Semitism. No. European it had to do with religion, but not not the Semitic people. What are the Semitic people? Boy. Review just to review simply, the Semitic people are the descendants of Shem. And there are a lot of them out there, and the people you think aren't Semitic, many of them are. For example, the Chinese are Semitic people, or the Arabs are Semitic people. Most of the people that call themselves Jews in Israel are not Semitic people. They're Europeans, Persians, and, from all sorts of races. As Jesus Christ said of the Phariseites then is still true today, you encompass land and sea. That means that's the old King James. It says, you go all around the whole world, land and sea, to make one proselyte. A proselyte is a convert to their religion. And then once you've made that proselyte, you have you make him twice the son of hell than yourselves. Yep. That's the words of Jesus Christ. Now I have a choice.
I can believe what he says, or I can believe what, other people say that's contrary to it. And I've made my choice, and I see and I'm fully convinced and persuaded given the clear evidence, the overwhelming embarrassment of evidence that the record of what Jesus Christ said is reliable. If you haven't come to that conclusion, I I refer you to, the book, excellence of the common law or the winterized version of the Bible. I've got the same appendix in both where I it's a long appendix, but I try to lay out there why I believe and then persuaded that the evidence, that's what the Bible is, written evidence, the reliability of those manuscripts.
And I don't think it's a matter of opinion. I don't think it's ambiguous. Clear to me, as we say in trust law, it's clear and convincing evidence beyond that even. The veritable embarrassment of riches, you know, that for example, if you can show that the gospel records, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, the ancient manuscripts of those records are reliable, then it's easy after that to show that the whole Bible is reliable because you have shown that the statements of Jesus Christ were properly recorded and reliable. Just applying the rules of evidence of our common law tradition and the Bible itself.
Once you show that, then Jesus Christ makes the statements that that gives the reliability of the rest of the Bible. And those documents, for example, almost 6,000 manuscripts of the New Testament, and that doesn't count the that's the original tongues. That doesn't count about 10,000 Latin manuscripts that corroborate the original tongue of Greek, Koine Greek, almost 6,000. The only the the ancient writing that, in Greek that comes the closest to the manuscripts in the New Testament in a number of manuscripts is the Iliad, of Homer.
The Iliad of Homer written about 800 BC, has about 600 manuscripts that are that we've discovered and about 600. So about 6,000 versus 600. And then all of the other ancient writings from the ancient world, like the Roman historian Tacitus and some of those fellows, all the other writings have anywhere from three or four manuscripts to about a dozen. One of them I remember reading has about 20 manuscripts available. But isn't it something? It's odd to me that people will quote the ancient Roman historians and never question what they've said, when the really, the evidence is pretty scanty.
And most and the manuscripts of those ancient historians are woefully varied. I mean, you don't you don't have any consistency among them. You get the general idea. The New Testament manuscripts, the six almost 6,000, they're consistent. And all there are variations of spellings of words, but there's not one variation among those almost 6,000 manuscripts, not one variation that changes and or alters any fundamental doctrine of Christianity, of the Bible. There are no contradictions in the variations either. None. And I I take that on the testimony of not only those that accept the manuscripts as reliable, but also on those like Bart Ehrman from Chapel Hill University of North Carolina that has made, a point of his life to argue that they aren't reliable, but he does say this. He says that there's not one major doctrine of Christianity that any variation in the New Testament manuscripts makes. Not one. That's quite a statement.
You can't say that about the ancient Roman historians, and then you look at what why they wrote what they wrote. Well, clearly, they tell you I wrote this to impress the emperor of Rome or somebody important, and so they were trying to gain favor with powerful parties. That's why they wrote those things. Well, that's not true of the Bible, and you won't find a hint of that anywhere in the Bible. That's not the case. So we have the manuscripts. We have the reliability of them. Jesus Christ said, you that follow the religion called but today we call it Talmudism.
You compass land and sea to make one proselyte. And once you have made that proselyte, you make him twice the son of hell than yourselves. Now that's important to recognize. Is that reliable? Well, the manuscripts are we can show they're substantially reliable, and then we can also show by further examination that they are word for word reliable as Jesus Christ said. Well, that's my take on the matter, and I think it's important too. I'm convinced, thorough thoroughly persuaded that it's important that we take these questions back to the statements of Jesus Christ himself and not rely upon external. We don't have to rely upon external evidence of what's going on in the world today. We can know what's going on in the world, but we need to apply the evidence that is abundant, apparent, and true, and will give us the true answers.
And the manuscripts of the bible that those are the writings that will give us the unadulterated, unmongralized, unmixed, pure truth. Thy word thy word, said Jesus Christ, John 17. Thy word is pure. He acknowledges that it's true, and then, I should say he used the word aletheia. It's true. That means it's true truth in the Bible. When you see the word truth in the New Testament, the Greek word aletheia, it means proven fact. It's a word taken from the tribunals of Rome, the tribunals of the Roman Empire. We call them courts, but they weren't really courts. They were inquisitorial tribunals. But, one of the words from those tribunals is aletheia, and it means proven fact. It's a word of legal significance.
And we just say truth, and then you have to stop and say, well, what's that? I was like, Pilate said to Jesus Christ, what is truth? What is it? This he was cynical about it. People say they can define it. Well, I can define it because I know what the word means. I look it up in history. It's there. It's not a big deal. It means a fact that has been submitted to the court as an accusation and now is proven as true. That's what Aliyah is. Okay. Submitted as an accusation or a claim in a noncriminal case, and now we've got proof of it, and we've rendered a verdict. And that's the end of it. See, Jesus Christ impaneled the 12 man jury, and they rendered their verdict.
And then we they by polls, as we say in the common law courts, and none of them chained their verdict. You know, nobody 11 of them died. 11 of them were murdered for their verdict. The last one died in chains and slave labor and assault mine in Patmos. That was John the apostle on the island of Patmos. But never in the history of mankind ever has anybody ever died for what he believed was a lie. Nobody's ever done that. There have been probably millions of people for that have died for what they believed was true, but it wasn't. Like, the 100,000 jabs jumped off the cliffs at Iwo Jima, because they they wanted to devote their lives and die for their emperor.
And they did that when the Americans finally begin to press them, but they died for what they believed was true, but it was a lie. So no man ever died. No man, no woman ever died for what he believed was a lie. But that's important when you look at, 12 man jury of the Jesus Christ impaneled, and you say, well, 11 of them died. The last one was the cleanup hitter writing books of the Bible, the gospel of John, the book of Revelation, and the three epistles. But he, he suffered, 11 of them died, but none of them changed their tune. They could've. They didn't. They kept telling the same story. No. This man that I was with for over three years, he is the Messiah. He is God in human flesh.
He is, and you wanna kill me, go ahead. That's I I'm I'm bound to deliver the truth, and I'm certainly not gonna change my my jury verdict knowing what it would mean to me either. They all they all believed it was true, and they were with him. Like John said, in his affidavit there, first John, he says, what we have seen, what we have heard, what we have touched, and our hands have handled. He's saying this is my sworn statement, and I have central perception of ears, eyes, touch. I have it all. I was with him, and I have it all. And I'm delivering to you what I received, my testimony, my affidavit, and there it is.
You can, look at it yourself. That's the book of first John, and it has other things in it too. Well, that's what I see in it. So when it comes to what's going on all over the world, everywhere, not just over there on the other side of the pond in Israel. No. No. No. The state of Israel, I should say. The evaluation of the Bible is sure. It's as fresh as the morning, and it will give you the truth whereby to judge what's going on right now. And those that say no. No. No. These are God's chosen people and blah blah. No. That's not I got the response to that. Pastor Pete,
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which god and chosen for what? Yeah. Which god? I'll bite there the chosen people, but under which god and chosen to do what?
[00:21:38] Unknown:
Yeah. Oh, that's good, Roger. And old Pete, he sad to see people go. It's not that and I say this so people won't misunderstand me. I have to be careful. I don't follow all of Pete's stuff, but Pete just took the Bible. He just an old I say I'm a plowboy. He was a cowboy. That guy was a cowboy. Old rider, and he grew up. Matter of fact, he got injured really badly. And men that are really good with horses, they're like everybody else. They get too familiar with things, and then they think they can take a chance and not get hurt. He got hurt bad as a young man. Of course, he worked in his family, had a ranch in the Sandhills of, Nebraska.
I they have a special name for it, cowpunchers do, but he had to do with roping and the rope you know, ropes can take off your thumb if you get them on the saddle horn. The guy will rope a a steer or a bull, I mean, a bigger animal, and then he'll take the bitter end of the lariat and give it a quick wrap around the saddle horn. Well, if you get your thumb in there and that bull pulls, of course, the horse the horse once the rope goes around the neck of the animal, the horse, if he's a good roping horse, he'll turn and face the animal because if he's sideways, the animal will pull him over. Right. You know, all these little things that cow punchers understand. Get real. What's that?
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Joe, you you been The term you're looking for the term the term you're looking for is to dally.
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That say that or spell what? Spell I'm sorry. Spell it. Dally. To? Yes. Yes. Dally? Thank you, Joe. We get it from an Oklahoman there. He's filling us in. Well, I think that's what happened to him, Joe. And I I think he ended up the horse went down, blame there, crushed his leg. I don't remember the whole story. He didn't tell a lot about it, but that's been many years ago now. Well, thank you,
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Roger, for bringing all that up, but go ahead. Let me, let me tell you. Because I used to listen to Pete every night, when he was on WWCR. For those of you who maybe know knew and not know who this is, it was, his name is pastor Pete Peters. He was in La Porte, a little town, La Porte, Colorado. Got a church of Christ there. He was influenced by the guy that really influenced almost all of our identity pastors is, Sheldon Emery. And, and he was influenced by Sheldon, and he he turned to the identity message and everybody in the church deserted him except for his family. And he started all over again.
And, when Bill Clinton was elected and, nominated Janet Reno Butch Reno to be the, AG, and they, they named this little guy in this little town in the middle of nowhere, the most dangerous man in America. You can still, his, supporters have kept his website up, and it's scripturesforamerica.org. I always had the impression the guy was kind of a prophet. He has an incredible yeah. That talent that Brent has, and I have somewhat, I think, of being able to take, very complex things and break them down to very simple, understandable concepts.
The big problem with his, website is they don't have show descriptions. And I was telling, Paul the other day with our with our new one, new new platform over there for archives that's got AI, and you could run AI through those sermons and figure out what he was talking about. I wish I hope those people over there that run the website find that. Also, he, was big buddies with somebody else. I know you'll remember Brent as colonel Jack Moore. Right? You remember him? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I remember Jack Moore.
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You know, back when back when I first came into contact with him, I was pastoring a church in Terre Haute, Indiana, little church, and, I had an uncle. My grandmother's sister's husband was pastoring a church in the only town called Mowiqua. And, like, Mohwikwa is known, little tiny place, maybe twelve, fifteen hundred people, but Mohwikwa is known for a a coal mining accident that happened there that, killed a lot of people. Other than that, there's nothing significant about the place. But, my uncle, that that church where he pastored ordained me. I couldn't find anybody else to do it. And I was, it's kinda funny. Little tiny church out in the country had been there for a hundred and fifty years, but at Locust Grove, but, I, I was being tapped for military chaplaincy at that time, and I, had to have a church that sponsored me. So my uncle, who's been long since gone, he was kind enough to recommend the church do that. I just went to church up there with my cousin the other night. I wanna drive up and visit the folk because they were kind enough to do that. And, that's how I that's how the military chaplaincy thing happened, but I was my pastor in church. Well, he told me that he got a message, and said there was gonna be a fellow come to Mewequa, and I wanted to give a message to all the pastors in town. Well, I I didn't know who it was. Well, it was Pete Peters. Really? Yeah. And, and I've since be on this show, Roger, on this show, I've since, a few years back, met the fella that, orchestrated that in that area.
Well, but here's the problem. Let me say this up front. I've noticed I'll say it. I'm not identity, not the way Pete preached it. Not against Pete other ways. He was a good Bible teacher and a faithful pastor, but I didn't go down that road. And what I've discovered is with the identity movement, and some of you that are listening know what that is, the with the identity movement, it draws an unsavory bunch. It does not all the people that are drawn to it are unsavory, but it for example, see, the fellows that were given life sentences for for, gunning down with a Mac 10 automatic weapon, gunning down that Jewish talk show host in Oh, in San Francisco.
No. No. Denver, Roger. Oh, Denver. That's right. That's right. That guy's name. Allen Bird. Allen Bird. Yep. Yep. Gunned down, right beside his little VW bug, right in his driveway. And the two men that were convicted of doing that, I'm not convinced they were. I don't think the evidence was strong enough, but they were convicted, and both of them have now died in federal prison. But the two men that were convicted had, frequented, the church That's Pete. Yeah. Well, that drugged Pete, and then he was a he was under grand jury investigation for orchestrating a a conspiracy to murder Alan Berg because Pete and general Jack Moore was he a general or a No. He's colonel.
Colonel Jack Moore, who had been a prisoner of war in Korea and served in World War two and got a field commission from general Patton, all that's true. He's a peach of a guy. But, him and colonel Moore, Alan Berg interviewed them on the radio. And, colonel Moore got upset at Berg and said, I'm not gonna stay on here. You keep interrupting me. And it it ruffled his sensibilities of respect, and so he just left. Well, that left Pete. And Pete came back on and kindly, kindly, I might add. I had a a show with him and tried to answer his questions. And Alan Berg is he's a Jewish. That means he follows Judaism. Doesn't mean he's a Semite. Keep that in mind. But he, a lawyer from Chicago, he was, and he questioned Pete about his his points of view about the Bible and identity. Well, what identity is, I should say at this point, identity is the point the the the doctrine of some people that began, by the way, right where I grew up, right where I grew up by two fellows, a couple of brothers from Kentucky that migrated across the river there.
And, they're the ones that, that that had a niece that went over a daughter that became the mother of the last this is crazy, but that's America. The last chief of the of the Comanche nation. Yes. You've told the story before. Yeah. Well, they they're the ones in America that brought that to the forefront. It had been bought to the forefront in church history before, but the Parker Brothers were a couple of hard what we call at home, hard shell baptists. See, Abe Lincoln was raised hard shell baptist because that was a big group back in our neck of the woods. And a hard shell Baptist what a hard shell Baptist is, the the more proper name is Primitive Baptist, but we don't call them that. And there are a lot of church I've spoken in hard shell Baptist churches.
I don't follow their doctrine all of it either, but they're so, predestinarian. They're so Calvinist that they won't, they won't even tell anybody about Jesus. I mean, that's it's kinda funny. And I've known I had an aunt. An old aunt Hazel, we farmed her place. She was a hard shell Baptist. I never quarreled with her. They're not dumb people. They won't even have a preacher. See, they they're I used to go to church with well, we called her aunt Hazel because her her first name was Hazel. And go to church with her, and they wouldn't even allow, they didn't have a church choir course. They wouldn't allow anybody to stand up in front of the church and do anything for fear that, the person up on the platform would be attempted to aggrandize themselves in some way. So So when they went for their song service, we'd all be sitting there in a church and somebody and you you never knew who it was or holler out a number.
Well, that meant go to a certain page in the hymn book and somebody who is sitting in the congregation would start singing. But you never had anybody up front, and then they'd finally put the preacher on to do his performances. And, he'd he was just supposed to preach and not say anything else about himself. They're very, very different that way. Well, that's what these Parker brothers were, but they started or made popular in America and wrote a pamphlet on the subject called the serpent seed doctrine. And I the serpent seed doctrine, out of which the identity movement arose.
Well, keep in mind too, I don't wanna miss this, say it upfront that Quanah Parker, the he was half white and half Comanche, and his they had kidnapped the Comanche killed everybody in Fort Parker down there in Texas, and they they kidnapped the children. And they became what she became the wife of one of the fellows there. One of his wives, it wasn't a matter of I got one wife and, like, the Bible says a one woman man. But Quanah was her was her son. Now, by the way, he died a wealthy banker in Lawton, Oklahoma before the before the the finale was over.
He turned to white, but he had, he put together a form of Christianity that overtook all the engine reservations all over North America and up into Canada. And that's the brand of Christianity that came from his mother, by the way. And he coupled a color, of course, with his culture. Instead of using wine and, get this, Roger, instead of using wine in the communion service, they use peyote.
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That should have made for a interesting service.
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That was their wine. That was what the and by the way, see, command or, Quanah, he got gored real bad by a longhorn, and, he'd he was gonna die. And And I don't know how this happened. I haven't been able to follow-up on it, but he met an Apache woman. You know, the Apaches were never friend with Comanches. The Comanches had a territorial boundary. There there wasn't a tribe of Indians anywhere that did that except the Comanche. They had a territorial boundary. They had a country. It was called well, they called it by the name Comanche or Comanchero. But they if anybody came in there, well, you might get killed. You probably would. They just they guarded their borders real good. You know what's funny thing about Wish we'd do that.
Yeah. Really. They they were the only tribe in America that, maintained the country because they guarded their borders, but they were brutal about it. They were ugly, brutal people, terrible. And they were nothing but pushed around for centuries and put upon and enslaved by all the other tribes around them until the horse showed up. And they were a small people. They're not a big people. You know, like the Cheyenne and the Sioux were pretty some of them pretty tall. Mhmm. The Comanche weren't a big people. They were little people. But once they got a on the back of a horse, they these fellows, lived on horses. They never they got up in the morning, and they were on their horse first thing. And everywhere they went and everything they did, they were sitting on the horse. Well, they got so good at it, of course, that everybody got afraid of them. And, of course, they whooped the Mexicans.
The only thing they hated worse than, Anglos was the Mexicans. They hated them even worse because the Romanism they tried to put on them. Oh my lord. Yeah. It just got worse. Well, I'm diverted. We're getting back to the serpent seed doctrine. The serpent seed doctrine, it it, arose America some, spontaneously because it had been brought up before in her church history, but it rose spontaneously from the Parker Brothers. And they wrote a pamphlet about it, and what they said was that the serpent in the garden, the serpent, the dragon, the the reptilian. It's a better way to say it. The the Hebrew word doesn't always mean serpent. It means a a writhing reptilian and, scales and all that.
The word has that connotation too, shining one because of the scales. But they said that the serpent seduced our grandmother, Eve. And from that seduction, a sexual seduction, came the reptilian race. And, it went on from there, and there are different variations after that. Well, out of that then arose the doctrine. I don't follow this doctrine, by the way. I don't see the evidence of it in the Bible strong enough. But out of that arose the doctrine that there was a race of of humanoids before the race of Adam. A race of humanoids before the race of Adam. Mhmm. That race of humanoids are cursed.
Now that's their doctrine. Mhmm. Is there evidence for it in the Bible? And I've studied it pretty hard, Roger, since that time. I'll tell you what happened back when, Pete came to town, but I've studied the doctrine hard since that time, and I've got my eyes open on it because I had such an early contact with it. And, I'd I see a scant possibility, but it's just a scant possibility. I don't see in the language or the grammar that that can be true. But coming back to what happened in Mowiqua, the big city, the the one and only Mowiqua. There's another Indian name. Mowiqua, by the way, is the place, the first cattle drive. Get this. It's kinda funny.
The, the Mowiqua and Assumption. The place was Assumption. The first cattle drive that really amounted to anything was from Texas to New York City. I don't know why the history books don't teach this. It was a phenomenal feat. But what they wanted to do was get those longhorn cattle to the stockyards in New York. The Chicago stockyards hadn't come into the picture yet. And there was a fellow that drove, a large herd, a longhorn. They just gather them up. They're running by the millions, running free. It was easy pickings and drove them and stopped in Muwequa Assumption and let the cattle graze because the prairies there were so burdened. And he fattened them up again, and he knew he had another 800, 900, and however far it was a thousand miles ago for near a thousand miles to New York City. But he drove them right down the one of those main streets of New York City and took them to stockyards and made a fortune.
I forget his name. I've disremembered it. Wow. The stockyards in New York City.
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Guess what's built on guess what's built on that now?
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Oh, I see. Well, I yeah. I haven't looked into that. I boy, there's so much to know, and you can't know it all. Well, the Rockefellers owned it, and that's where the UN is now. Well, he made a fortune there. A lot of blood was shed. Yeah. Now how he how he got the that was quite a feat, Roger, to drive those cattle that far and keep them fat and happy the whole way, but he got the job done. I forget his name, just remember it. But coming back to the serpent seed. So, so I I I heard about, the meeting, and, it would have held a little church out in the country there. It's a it's a very rural prairie town.
I'm the richest dirt in the world there, as a matter of fact. The second largest John Deere dealership is there in that little place. If that tells you anything, the Sloan Brothers. Well, Pete came and he gave it what he called the identity message to the pastors there. And and I remember the response of one of them, and the other said the same well, my uncle said the same thing. I was pretty young then. Well, a lot younger I am now. Put it that way. I was a I was grown, but I felt like a boy until I was at least 55. But coming back to what they said, they said, look. This is the classic thing. Anything new comes up. These preachers will say, we're here to preach Jesus, and all this other stuff doesn't matter to us. That's pretty much what they told him. And, so he went away empty handed.
But what what I noticed was after that, and it got worse that and I went Pete's a nice guy. I'll say that. He's a really nice fella. I did I did get a chance to meet him personally, shake his hand for you. Yeah. I'm just friendly and kind and devoted to being a a pastor and helping people and counseling people. And he was the one that said, and I I like to hear this said too. He said, if you're gonna be a pastor of a church, you need to get some kind of training, something. And Pete did. You know, Pete graduated from University of Colorado, I believe, agriculture.
And then he he got the idea that, he ought to get some training. He felt the call, and he went to the a Bible college in Gary, Nebraska, I believe it was. I don't know if that Bible college is still there. And the way I get it, yeah, I think it's gone now. It didn't last long, but he got pretty good training from some pretty pretty biblically biblically based men. And Pete, if you couldn't show it to Pete in the Bible, he didn't wanna hear it, didn't wanna talk about it. Now can you say what more can be said about Christianity? I don't care whether you got a PhD from Harvard and Princeton or two of them or you're a cow puncher like Pete Peters, or you're just a jack legged preacher like the one I grew up with that was a homesteader from Oklahoma and didn't know never learned how to read till after he had grown.
But all of them had this in common. They said, if the Bible says it, I believe it, and that's the end of it. Yeah. If you if I can see the Bible says it. Well, Pete believed in his and he had to make the decision himself as all of us do. He believed that what he was teaching was true. And, and so I I admire and he did believe by the way, coming back to all the other things I would have disagreed with Pete about, he did believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah of God, God in human flesh, and he is the savior of his people. And notice I didn't say he's the savior of mankind. I don't see that anywhere in the Bible. It says he is the savior of his people, and his people are the elect. What's elect? That's a kleptos in the Greek New Testament. It means chosen, just means chosen.
And it's clear that, the Bible says that in Romans. I don't understand it. I just know it's true. Pete would he would study the Bible for himself, and he had enough gumption to do that and to stand upon his decisions. And my friend, I don't care who you are. When you get in front of Jesus Christ, and you will be in front of him, there are no ambiguity about that. And he says, why did you do this? Why did you do that? Why did you believe this? Why should I let you? Get this question. Why should I let you into my bliss? Why? And if you haven't got the right answer, you ain't coming in. Now if he does ask the question this is a hypothetical.
But if he says, why should I let you into my bliss, into my into my rest? Why? There's only one answer that counts. If you say, well, I tried to be a good guy. Well, no. That won't. You you can have a seat in that hand basket over there if that's what you're gonna say. Christianity is not a moral order. It is not a moral order. No. No. It is a providential order, and there's a big difference. Providential. That means God provides everything, Even your ability to make a choice. And even the choice you make, he provides that. And he impels you to that choice, even though you made the choice full fully of your own volition. That's what the Bible teaches.
But it is a providential order. You don't get into the family of God. You don't get into the kingdom of of God by being a good little boy or girl. And by the same principle, you don't get out by being a bad boy or girl. That's not the way it works at all, period. How does it work? You get in, you the the the justified man says the prophet shall live by trust. The justified man will live by trust, not by his works. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God. For by grace, by grace are you saved. I'm quoting Ephesians in the New Testament. By grace, that's a welcome, acceptance of God. Either he accepts you and welcomes you or he doesn't.
That is what saves you. You're saved. And then and then Paul says, and that welcome, not of yourselves. It is a gift from God. Not of works to drive the nail home into the coffin of the idea of salvation by morality. Not of works, lest any man should boast. I mean, if it if you were if you were if God saved you because you gained favor with him by doing good things, you could brag about it. But the Bible says you can't brag about it. Well, that's why the Primitive Baptist say we don't want anybody glorifying themselves. Well, I think that might be going a little too far, but, I get their point. We're not to glorify ourselves. God won't allow anybody to glorify himself, to toot his own horn.
Have have any of us ever been guilty of that? Oh, yeah. Yeah. We do it constantly. But bad works won't get you out. But you do have a new heart and a new mind if you're born of the spirit, and that is you want in the worst way to please your father. Yeah. Even though you don't, you screw up and and you do things and say things that just appall you. You can't believe you said or did what you said or did, in little ways and big ways, but that's not what that's Jesus Christ is the savior, my friend, not you. Get that out of your head. There's nothing you can do to help. Nothing in my hand I bring, only to thy cross I cling. Mhmm. Other refuge have I none hangs my helpless soul on thee, period.
So Pete Pete understood that. I went into a lot of detail to say that's what Pete understood. I've listened to him talk. I finally put it together. You know, even those of us that believe that, sometimes we'll say the opposite or say something that can be taken wrongly. I've heard Pete I've heard Pete do that. So, anyway, he came. Here's what happened, though. So I was pastoring this church in Terre Haute, Indiana, just a little church. We were meeting in the Methodist building on the campus there at, Indiana State University where that's where Larry Bird played college ball, by the way.
Roger. Just put it on the map for you. Terre Haute, Indiana. He went down to Bloomington. He was there for two weeks, and he got a scholarship to play there. You know, Knight was the coach, and Larry left. He just disappeared, and they couldn't figure out where he went. And a businessman, couple of businessmen from Terry Hote went down to French Lick to find him. And his mother said, well, he's out working on the trash truck. He was working they call him a sanitation expert. That means he was working on the trash truck down there.
Okay. Six feet ten inches tall. Can you believe that? I've I've seen the guy. I've been standing next to him. It's it's phenomenal how big men can get. Well Unbelievable. Can you imagine that he could just throw the trash right up into the top of the dump truck? You know? He didn't have to have a lift to get it up there. Well, they went down and tried to talk him into coming to see, that was, University of Indiana, Bloomington. Well, he didn't like it there. You know, that's a left wing wacko kind of a university town down there. It's in the what they call part of the Ozark Hills of, Indiana, but it's, it's a hotbed of well, that's where the Kinsey you know, the sex pervert came to. Yeah. He was from University Indiana.
Okay. Well, then he had other people like Hoagy Carmichael. Remember him? Very he was a a musical guy. Yeah. Stardust. Remember Stardust? Yeah. Yeah. Some of those songs. And, Heart and Soul. What? No. Did he write Heart and Soul? No. That was Ella Fitzgerald or something. Anyway, he wrote a lot of famous songs, and he was good and a nice guy, but but it was that kind of an artsy kind of a place. You know? And, he couldn't stand it. So, being the hick from French Lick as they say. So they went down and said, come here. Terry Hote. Terry Hote is the is the the armpit of Indiana, and it really is. It's the biggest it's the biggest you know, the railroad union started in Terry Hote because of the coal trains coming through there. Railroad union. And the I can tell you one thing about Terre Haute. The six in my mind, the RCA pressing and shipping was, out of there because all the RCA records always came from They had that's the post office was shipping that stuff. That's right, Roger.
So much when the records were big that the post office built a special annex for RCA.
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That's right. Yeah. So you used RCA Center.
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Oh, man. Well
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oh, go ahead. Which, of course, is started by a guy named Sarnoff.
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You know all about him. There's a lot of history there. I used to live just a few blocks from where that was on that side of town, out by Rose Hallman. Sarnoff said, I don't get ulcers. I give them. Oh, boy. And then Tony Hallman, you know, the owner of the Indianapolis five hundred, he lived in Terre Haute and owned he owned a half downtown. You just spit on sidewalk Terre Haute without us asking to get permission from Tony. I mean, I mean, he ran things with an iron fist. You didn't open up a business. You didn't. Oh, I could tell you a story. And he he's pretty rough about it. You know? He had his thugs. But he owned Calabrio Baking Powder Company. Oh, okay. Got you. Money. Calabrio downtown.
I do like to tell the story of his grandpa, though. This is a true story. His grandpa was an immigrant from Germany. And if you go to the Calabrio Baking Powder Company on the corner of Seventh And Wabash, Seventh And Wabash is called the Crossroads Of America. Seventh And Wabash, that's where the Kremlin Road, intersects the main road going east and west. But and we that's where we met for church. That was right right near the campus when we were in that old, Methodist campus house there. Well, his granddad up on, he can go in the old building there where they had the old generator. It's not a museum, but it's a gathering place. That's where they have the today, they have the the farmer's market in there. It's a great big place. He lets them have the farmer well, he he's not around anymore, but lets them have the farmer's market indoors when it's raining. Well, on the on the wall in there, that's right in the center of town, Seventh Wabash.
On the on the wall there, is a letter that his granddad wrote back to in the back to Germany to his brother. And the letter says, you got to come to America right now. You right now. He said, I can't believe it. He said, I can say anything I want. That was a big draw. Freedom of speech, you see. Sure. Are we losing it? Let's let's take inventory here, friends. Political correctness is not a joke. It's sick. It'll destroy us. Well They're they're trying to destroy it with antisemitism laws now. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Coming back to that silliness. Well, so we're at this church in Terre Haute and this movement, there was a fellow in the church who was a a, a, herbicide salesman salesman from Monsanto out of Saint Louis.
And at that time, he was making about $40 a year, and that was quite a bit of money. Yes. So he was funding me on the radio. I was on a local radio station and, just doing a lot of things because he had more money than others. And and, he finally said, well, you know, he a long time. He was an elder. And the long time passed, he said, you know, I'm my identity and I follow Pete Peters. I said, you do? He said, yeah. I said, well, I don't know nothing about that. What when I say that the movement draws an unsavory, it gives you know, you'd start talking about antisemitism and you'll you'll get all the riffraff out there that are dangerous.
As like Sam Johnson said, not all of them, but a lot of them. Like Sam Johnson said, the patriot crowd, the pay patriotism is the last refuge of a scandal. Right. And it is. And I see in the patriot movement, it draws dangerous people. It can. And I don't wanna be around them. What's that? It can. Yeah. And I'm not my friends are in it. I'm not all of them, but I just say the devil works very hard to get him in there. Well, this fellow was in there with us, and then he revealed to me that. And I said, well, what do you believe? I I thought I better ask some questions here. And to come to find out, he did not believe in the he didn't accept the biblical doctrine of the personality of the spirit of God. And we've had people come on here that have said that, and that's something that I won't negotiate.
No. The spirit of God has personality. The Bible's clear. You can see it. He has mind, will, and emotion. All three. Do not grieve the spirit, the Bible says, and talks about the spirit deciding this and that. And, he has mind. He has a will. He has emotion. He is a person. I don't he doesn't always he doesn't support a body body, of course, as we can see, but he does have those three, and he's part of the godhead. And there are a lot of people that reject that and, k, in the face of what I I see in the Bible is clear evidence. But, I don't say I can explain it. I don't have to explain it. There's no contradiction to it. It may be unexplainable.
Well, he told me that he didn't. Now that got me to set to thinking. I said, now what I'm gonna do? And then I found out he wanted watch this, Roger. And there are people in the identity movement like this. You know, the fellow that was tapped into to, to, manage and run the campaign of Pat Buchanan for president, he had well, Pat's sister I had run for congress, and Pat's sister called me and said, we want you to be involved in what we're doing. And I I was so beat up from what happened, and, like, by the way, it got worse for me after that. They, they came after me hard.
But I was beat up, and I was tired. I said, I what was her name? I don't remember. She She was a nice lady. I said, I just can't do it. Well, Pat Babe Buchanan. Babe. Babe. Right, Joe? Joe? Thank you, Joe. No. Babe. And she was a sweetheart of a gal, and it was kind of a family thing, and that was a nice deal. And Pat, you know Was it
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Babe or was it Bae?
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Bae. Wasn't
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it? I think it was b a y.
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Something like that. I don't remember. It was b a y.
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Okay.
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And she was one smart cookie too. Yeah. Yeah. And and and she was personal. I mean, she called me personally. And, I said, well, I just I just can't do it. I'm I'm wore out after doing all that. And, so Pete saw the madness of what was going on just like we see see today and have seen. And he said, we gotta do something. And he he organized a big meeting in Colorado. And he asked Larry Pratt, he is the founder of Gun Owners of America, the only, you know, the only we've had him on this show. You really have had. Yeah. Full two hour full hour one day. Yeah. And he his son now runs Gun Owners of America. And, he asked, Larry to come and speak at that meeting, and Pete had organized it. But there were a lot of people there that weren't part of the identity movement.
And, Larry Pratt was one of them. Larry Pratt's a confessional Presbyterian. A very solid man in far as Christianity goes. And by the way, he's married to a Latino woman, I believe, from South America. Yeah. I think so. He's not a racist. You know, he's, clearly. Well, they asked him to speak, and he had already, Pat Buchanan had already asked, Larry Pratt to manage his presidential campaign. And, Larry had agreed to do it because Larry understood politics. He started an organ an organization called English First. They did a very good job with that, trying to say we we have to have English as our language or we'll lose our culture. Well, he's absolutely right. You gotta have a language. You gotta have one that is Maine. You know? And then, he also then started gun owners of America because he saw that, the, National Rifle Association was thoroughly compromised, and I I can say that's true. And what they did to me was unconscionable.
They they don't support men that support second amendment if it's not well, they just don't. It's a complicated set of processes they use, but they've learned to just keep the money coming in and make it look like they're doing the right thing, but they aren't. But they keep those millions coming in. How can you give that up? See? When I was running for office, they had a woman named Tanya Mataska in charge of the National Rifle Association, and she was a flaming lesbian. And it got worse from there. Maybe they've, cleaned things up. I don't know. I don't care. I'm not involved in that anymore. But, Larry, then they got out the the the powers that be got after Larry for coming to that meeting and speaking.
But what Pete Peters wanted to do, he said, we got a lot to do here, man. It's we gotta step up to the plate. That's our job as men. We gotta do something. Things are out of hand, the gun control, the abortion, all that stuff, and you name it. Big government, encroachment upon property rights, and so he wanted to get together. Well, that's what scared the BGBs out of the evil empire and the useful idiots of it. And so they jumped on Larry and said, oh, you're a racist, and you're a part of the identity movement, and they're all, Nazis and skinheads. Well, that's not true either. But it does draw that element, and I It can. It can, and it does a lot. I it how do you keep that stuff out? Do you well, here's what happened in in our little church out there in the middle of nowhere and Terry Hote.
So he told me he was not a Trinitarian. Well, that's important to Christianity, and I'll go to the mat on that one. He wasn't. And then he got revealed to me that he was all for the armed takeover, the takeover, the ousting of the general government by force of arms. Well, I'm not for that. I wanna avoid that at all cost. It could come to that at some point. It has before. That's how our country started. I understand all that. But you don't if there are other remedies available, you take those because the wholesale murder of and taken to men's lives is serious business.
And God tells us very clearly how to approach that problem and when to enter war. And the Bible sets out the rules. It's not a bunch of rabble rousers who wanna grab their guns because the second amendment says they can and go do what they want. No. That's not the way it works. And God certainly hope mister Trump is here in that side of the argument. Yeah. God does not bless that. God does bless the use of the militia, and that's why we teach it and we get in the use of the posse comitatus under the authority of the sheriff. All those things are true, but that's not what this guy was teaching. Well, that was my second, now third experience and what the church has historically called in the Latin, unfortunately, excommunication.
I don't call it that, but that does get the point across. And so we the other elders met. There were two other elders we met, and I said, here's what I think we need to do in this case. This guy's not Christian. And he's a he's, wants to talk about the armed force overthrow of the government. And I cited in church history the experience of John Bunyan. John Bunyan was the Puritan and the author of Pilgrim's Progress. Probably the, yeah, the highest the the best selling book, beside the King James Bible in the history of the English culture, Pilgrim's Progress.
And he was a Puritan preacher, and he was, looking for somebody who, like we all are, we're looking for kindred spirits. We want to have camaraderie with those who agree with us fundamentally, and he was looking for that. And he got involved with an offshoot of the Puritan movement. You know, the Puritan party, took over parliament. Only in England was the reformation of church and government. Only in England. And the re not on the continent, but in England because of the common law tradition, which the Christian tradition it was. Well, he got hooked up with what was called the Fifth Monarchy Movement. He had some friends in it, and he went to a meeting in London.
A meeting. Well, when they tried John Bunyan for his life, they brought up that he had been to that meeting. And the fifth monarchy movement enter, ended in slaughter of many people. The government slaughtered many people, because they were advancing the overthrow of the government that God was coming to England and was going to establish, his government, and it was time for them to take up arms. And and they were they held a large meeting of thousands, and many were slaughtered. And then they tried John Bunyan for his life, and they brought that up, his connection, his friends. Fortunately, he was acquitted, but it was a close call.
And I speak as a man that has had that kind of a close call. I wasn't tried for my life, but I was facing nine years in prison, for reasons that weren't good. It had to do with politics. I find it funny. The other day, George Ryan passed away. George Ryan was the governor in Illinois that, put a moratorium on the death penalty because he's he told the the courts and the legislature that as an independent branch of government, he didn't care who the the court sent him. He wasn't gonna execute anybody. That's his job, and he's not gonna do it until they begin proving to him that due process was followed in the cases of murder.
And he said, clearly, I've reviewed all of these cases of men on death row, and you've railroad them. And most of them then this wasn't really relevant. But on the other hand, it was true. Most all of them were, not white were nonwhite, to put it bluntly. And he said, he didn't bring that up, but it was true. But he said, I'm not gonna execute them. And next thing you know, Jordan Ryan, without any calls at all, is thrown in federal prison for five years. That didn't happen just that quick, but they found a way to get him. And the fellow I'd ran against for Congress was the one behind it. He ran for governor and, and he of of that of that state, and, he lost.
And that was his revenge to George Ryan. Well, there were three of us, Tom DeLay of Texas, myself, and George Ryan. Tom DeLay of Texas, a minority leader of the House of Representatives called the hammer of Congress, He he was indicted in Texas in state court, but indicted. He was forced to leave Congress. And, for ten years, they tried to get him thrown in jail. Finally, the case wound its way to the Supreme Court of Texas, and the Texas just summarily threw it out. That's how empty it was, but kept him tied up for ten years and about $10,000,000
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in legal fees. Was that the Bush faction that was doing that? Was that the Bush faction that was doing that? Do you know? Yeah. They were part of it. Sure.
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But he was a man who was, really pushing try he was getting into the deep state. Mhmm. And he was he here's what Tom they called him the hammer. And the reason they called him the hammer, people would walk into his office, the majority leader there in the house, his office, the big office, right where you walk in the back door. You know, the back door is the door everybody goes in. And the front door like like the front porch of some people's houses, nobody uses it. You know, they go in the side door. Well, that's kinda the way it was there. And his office to the left and in the back. Well, he he, people come in and want this or want that, and he'd say, look.
This is not church. I'm a Christian man, but this isn't church. This is government. And there's a difference between the two. And so what what makes the people that are in church run if they wanna get involved in politics, it's matter of money. This is government, and the governments of this world run on money. And if there is no money, this is the material side of things. If there is no money, I can't do anything. So have have you donated to what we're doing here? You gotta have money. We if we're gonna have people that stay in office, we have to persuade the people that, that we should stay in, and it's our job to do that, and that cost a lot of money.
You heard me say in my congressional run, we spent right at a million dollars. That was well, it's a lot of money. Well, that's the way you do it. And you say, well, that's ridiculous. No. It's not ridiculous. It's my job if I run for office to get the word out. It's not people's job to come to me. They're out trying to scratch and make a living and keep government off their backs. It's my job to go to them. I have to go Just
[01:04:34] Unknown:
to frame a reference of the audience, Brent ran with Newt Gingrich's contract on America. Helen Chenoweth was in that class. Helen Chenoweth. Yeah. From Idaho. Yes. And, some other notables.
[01:04:48] Unknown:
Lindsey Graham, I believe you said was in that class. Right? Lindsey Graham and I used to sit on the platform together in Washington DC at political meetings. And he was just like me. The difference between him and me was he got in and I did. Now who who There's other there's other differences too, but Yeah. But for the sake of argument. I'll tell you who who's been affected most negatively here? Yeah. Well, anyway, the light in the loafers, they say. Maybe it was before. I don't know. But, getting back to I don't know where I left off. Oh, we're talking about Tom Delay and Tom Tom, they called him the hammer. He was making an effect. So there was George Ryan.
George Ryan was the the man back in my neck of the woods that supported me, and they wouldn't even I was delegate to the state convention that when Bob Dole ran or well, Bob Dole ran for president Yeah. And they introduced everybody. And they had they'd come running up the aisle and make a big speech to all the candidates for state office, all the candidates for, US Congress. And I was sitting on a pile of crates where the people walked in. They'd introduced everybody, and George Ryan came up. It was his turn when they introduced him to go up front. And he looked over me. He said, Brent, he said, didn't they introduce you?
I said, no. They didn't. He just kinda said, And I just sat back there watching the whole thing. Well, when it came time for George Ryan, the night before the election, it's just I wish I could put all this in a book. Night before the election, the Republican party had spent hundreds of thousands. I don't know million. I don't know how much they spent, but they ran a lot of television ads against me, Republican party. And, Newt Gingrich supported me, but the Republican party did not. It was odd. And then, I the guy in my camp my campaign manager said, he's the one that I told him if if I ever get so I like you, I'm gonna fire you. You know, it was that kind of relationship.
I want him to be tough. Well, day before the election, he said, get out of here and don't talk to any newspaper reporters or and just go out and go to restaurants. And there were 27 counties. It was a big rural district, so I took off and just had fun that day. And I went down to this little restaurant down near Cairo, Illinois, and I knew the family there, the staunch Republicans. And they had they had the prettiest daughters, Roger. And they were all teenage girls, and they worked in the restaurant of waitresses. And boy, did he do the business. It was kinda funny. And everybody wanted either to marry his daughters or to to get, get to the daughters to marry their sons or their you know, it was that kind of a place. And, that's where everybody gathered in that neck of the woods. And so I went down there, and it was a good place to to talk to people and reassure them and all that. And and, they were strong strong conservatives.
And then one of them said, were you gonna be at the big meeting tonight? Well, I didn't know there was a big meeting that night because they never told me any of the party didn't include me. I had to do it myself. But people supported me. See? Well, like I say, we spent a million dollars if people were giving me money. Well, I said, no. I don't know about to meet. Oh, yes. At the airport, the big airport. Well, down there was a big airport, and they're having in the big hangar on the airport. And, and you ought to go to it. I said, oh, yeah. I'll go just because I wanna see the the excitement. So I went to the airport, and, I got in the big hangar, and the place was packed around the walls. I mean, there were thousands upon thousands of people there. And And right in the middle, they had a big platform they built for the purpose, and the newspaper, or the television station from Paducah, Kentucky, and the television stations from St. Louis and East St. Louis, and the television stations from Evansville, Indiana, and all those places down there, all around there. There were no television stations in my district, by the way. It was all around me.
Terre Haute had television. Twenty twenty seven counties that it wasn't a TV station? Yeah. 27 counties. They back in DC, I went back to DC, and I'd go back there for fundraising stuff. And the people say, well, you're from, you're from the Hollow Quarter. I said the Hollow Quarter, what's that? Oh, that's, the Southeast quarter of the state, and nobody lives there. So you have to have a lot of counties to make up the required number of, constituents. You know? Anyway, I went down to and I'm standing. They had a roped off place fixed where the governor, governor Ryan, or he was running for governor, could walk through the crowd and the crowd wasn't allowed in there and they had police officers standing along, you know, not let people where the governor would make his his fashionably late entrance, you know.
And, here he come. And everybody was clapping and screaming and I'm thousands of people. And I I'm standing there and he, he saw me and he said, Brent, he said, you come with me. And he grabbed me by the hand and he had his wife and his children. And by the way, he was Plymouth brethren. His wife was Plymouth brethren. I believe he was staunch Bible believers. They were. And I didn't agree with their particular eschatology, but that's what George was. And I said, you want me to come? He said, you come with me. And boy, I didn't hesitate. I went with him and went up on the stage with his family. And it was just me and his family up there. Wow. And he was standing beside me and they were bowing, holding hands, and bowing all the stuff politicians do. And and he said he leaned over and he said, I want you to introduce me like that. He I said, well, I wouldn't have say no.
And, and, boy, the excitement was over the top. That happens in politics. Doesn't mean a lot, but it's a lot of fun when you're in it. It doesn't last. But, he sent me up the microphone, and I all I said was, who do you think is gonna be the next governor? And, boy, they then they started screaming. I said, I thought that's what you'd say, and here he is. And he walked up, and and, then he got him even more excited. Well, George Ryan was for me. That's what I'm saying. And and, Tom DeLay was for me, and he came and did fundraisers for me. And all three of us, get this, us three men were indicted by a grand jury.
Now when you I didn't I didn't think of that about that till later. I knew it was true. I was so trying to step and fetch and protect myself and take care of my family in the midst of the madness. And that was after politics, see. But they weren't gonna have him or me or that's the clear message. They don't say that. Well, we went after those three guys because they're the that wasn't it. All three of us went. And the neighbor just across the Ohio to the South, the Congressman there, Congressman White, he wasn't, he was with me, but he was indicted as well.
He was indicted and he went in front of a well, no, I'm sorry. He was not indicted. He was under investigation of a grand jury for nothing. And he was the first Republican congressman from the Western District Of Kentucky. And he ran in the primary. He ran against a a a Democrat who crossed over to run against him to try to bump him out. You know, that's the way it worked, but it didn't work. That was the of course, the beginning back in then was we were just getting into the the beginning of the ending of the solid Democrat South, the solid Democrat South. When I was growing up, us baby boomers remember, all across the South, you didn't run as a Democrat in those areas for dog catcher to president, you didn't get elected.
That's the way it was. And from Texas clear to Georgia across there. And, my mother's family were part of that, but they were a culture. And what they believed in, Roger, was states' rights. Yes. States' rights. Yeah. We've been fighting that battle since the civil war. Go ahead. That's what it was. It was the civil war. It didn't get away. They believed in the state's rights. And then Hubert Humphrey came along in 1968 running for president, and he made that famous speech. And he says it's time that the Democratic party stepped out of the shadow of states' rights and into the full sunlight of human rights.
That split that spells the shift of the Democrat party and why it is what it is today. Human rights. Well, wait a minute. Human rights? The Bible never mentions human rights. What are human rights? That's rights that humans say you have and they say they can take. And whoever has the right to give has the power to take. Because the rights we'd talked of before in our country were those dispensed only from God, the maker of heaven and earth. That's the difference, friends. It's the difference between civil rights and fundamental rights. Mhmm. Fundamental rights come from God and they come direct to the person. Mhmm. Civil rights are those human rights. Mhmm. And from that point from that point, when Hubert Hubert Humphrey said that, began the serious hardcore journey of the Democratic Party into full blown madness.
Yeah. Once you once you take God out of the equate once you take out the maker of heaven and earth out of the equation, and there is, then there is no responsibility of men outside themselves, my friends. You, if there is no responsibility of men outside themselves, they will be tyrants and perverts beyond your wildest nightmare. If you I think we're seeing that. Yeah. We're seeing it. It was clown town, worse than clown town under Biden. There were nothing but sex perverts, thieves, and murderers. They murder their own. They just murdered two politicians up in Minnesota of their own that didn't tow their line the way they want them to. Was it two? I don't know how many. Some. No. They killed two and wounded two. Let yeah. Let me say again, friends. If you do not acknowledge a power beyond mankind that is greater than mankind, there is nothing beyond mankind to stop him and his evil. And you, my friend, you, and me, of course, are fundamentally depraved.
And that taint of depravity can work into madness. That's why we say things like in America, but for the grace of God, there go I. Yes. And if you say anything else about yourself, you're not taking the Christian, the biblical point of view. You are a sinner. You are a sinner. And your problem is not your sins, your law breaking. Your problem is sin, singular, and your taint of imperfection that can grow into a monster. And there's only one thing that will check that. And that one not thing. That one person that will check that is the person of God himself, the father, the son, and the spirit.
And all three of them play a role in checking that. And the Bible says when you're born of the spirit, the spirit of God, the person of the spirit of God inhabits your body. He inhabits the organ of your brain, your heart. He fills fills out your body. That's power, friends. And with that power, you have that on the inside. Is that, Joe?
[01:16:22] Unknown:
I'm not sure who that was. I think it was female. Yes, ma'am. That was Lisa, and I didn't wanna interrupt your role. I just wanted to get in here before it goes too far out. There is an I in sin.
[01:16:34] Unknown:
What's that? Say again? There is an I in sin. Oh, I see. Nice. Yeah. Help you remember. That's good. Yeah. Thank you, Lord. All about it's selfishness. Fundamental sin is selfishness. How do I fill my lusts? The lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the vain glory of life. I want better than glory. Yeah. It's also ego. Well, ego that ego is I. So that's good, Roger. We talk about ego. Ego is the Greek word that means I. Really? Yeah. And so in the Bible, when Jesus says I, I am, The Greek is ego, a me. Ego, I, me. The whole the unholy trinity, me, myself, and I.
Oh, we may as well laugh, but we're not God help us, Roger. We're not snatched from the jaws of hell and the devil himself. We're not snatched from that. We don't do ourselves. No man can do that. Jesus Christ does that a 190%. We don't have a thing in it. His volition, his choice, his welcome, the birth from above is not the choice of the child. The birth from above, it wasn't the choice of the child when you were born in the flesh, and it's not the ultimate choice of the child. What happens? What what choice do you make? Well, the Bible said, what really happens is you come to recognize that you've been born from above and you think that you've made the choice. Did you? Yes. You did. You agreed with God at that point. You did make a but you have no volition, my friends.
You have no volition to choose good before the new birth. You only have volition, the choice between evils. That's all you have. That's what the Bible teaches. And after the new birth, you come to read man. One minute. I'll finish this, and then you can. You come to thank you for, asking. One minute. Here I know you're here's when the winner's gonna give me an opening to say something. You got It's hard. You did pretty good. Out front of him. Let me finish my thought. Just like a baby comes to self realization and recognizes he has a hand and he looks at his mother and he begins to have self consciousness. As when you're born from above, you when you're first born from above, I don't it's clear from the Bible using the analogy Jesus Christ uses. You don't know it. That's why he analogized the new birth to the birth from your mother the first time. But then you come to realize it, and then you acknowledge it, and you agree with God. That's your choice.
You do. I think the Bible does teach you. You can you can throw that out at that point, maybe. That's Hebrews chapter six. But, somebody wants to make a comment. Go ahead. I believe it was Joe.
[01:19:20] Unknown:
No. This is Bob. Oh, it's Bob. Hey, Bob. I was I was using Joe's line comment as opposed to my usual. But, anyway, Brent, going back fifteen, maybe twenty minutes, you were talking about the second amendment in terms of people talking to the idea that, you know, well, it grants us the right to, you know, grab up arms against the government, etcetera. And you said, you you didn't qualify. Of course, I know you are well aware of it, but just to bring it up, it doesn't grant it. Number one, it just enshrines it, if you will. And secondarily, it doesn't even it it doesn't even say that. As you're well aware, it's talking about a well regulated militia.
And, of course, a bunch of guys grabbing guns and unhauling butt to go do something may or may not be a well regulated militia if it's not, under some authority, etcetera, etcetera. So, yeah, it's not just a bunch of guys grabbing guns and going to take care of business. Even though that it may take that form, there is order as you're well aware.
[01:20:28] Unknown:
Just wanted to make that comment. I'm glad you did because, no, I can't say everything. I I what I do say raises a lot of questions in people's minds at every point if their if their brain's in gear, and I I want you to yeah. That helps. But, coming back to the point, we'd said that last week, and then time flies, but I remember saying, just the keeping and carrying of weapons, will keep the evil empire in check. That's what God says. The Bible says that. Our second amendment is, those four clauses of our constitution. Our second amendment is just the last of those four clauses. They all go together very well. And, by the way, if you're interested in that, I, unabashedly, unashamedly promote the course that sheriff Darleaf and I taught on the sheriff at common law, the posse comitatus at common law, the power of the county, and the Militia Clauses. We taught that was the most popular class we taught.
Had more people take that class. It's in the can. You can go watch it, audio and visual. I suggest it to you and also get the book. The by yours truly called the it's about the militia clauses of our constitution and shows also, I tried to show in there, that this is all consonant with the Bible. Our our constitution is a brief of of common law government. The the part of that slice of our common law that applies to government. And that means, therefore, that it is our common law tradition is consonant with the Bible. I like the word consonant. That means it's not the Bible. It's not inerrant, but it is our observations of the processes that are fair and how government is supposed to work.
How's government supposed to work? The militiamen are to be armed. That's how government that's one of the ways government works. As long as we're armed, we don't have to be violent. We don't have to try to to charge the Bastille with pitchforks like they did in France. That's not the point. That was a bad mistake. That would get a lot of people killed or join the the fifth monarchy movement like Bunyan when a lot of people got slaughtered there or the iconoclastic movement in Saxony during the days of Luther, and a lot of people got slaughtered there. Although that's not the way God is not in for riots, my friends. He's not for storming the government with pitchforks and guns. That has never worked, by the way. In the history of mankind, that has never worked. Remember that famous, movie about the slaves in in, Spartacus or something about the slaves and or what's the name of it? Kirk Douglas was he organized the slaves in a revolt. That never works.
No. Slaves in history, we see this. Slaves have to have a deliverer. There isn't a malumission. There is no such thing as exiting slavery by force of arms, of your of yourself. You must have a deliverer. That's what happened in Egypt. They were enslaved. They had a deliverer. And God sent deliverers. Patton's army was a deliverer to those enslaved in the camps in in, in, Germany. And I've talked to men who were in those camps, and they said we I had the privilege of attending the POW reunion of all the flyers, at the German prison camp. And, family member was in one of them, so he asked me if I wanted to come. What an experience just talking to those fellas. And they about when Patton's tanks just come crashing through the barbed wire, the barbed wire, as they say at home, and, they had to deliver.
If you're and you, my friend, all of us were at one time, hope you aren't now enslaved to ourselves, enslaved to our flesh, enslaved to sin, the breaking of God's law, the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, the vainglory of life. And there's no getting out of that. You can't do that. Discipline will not get you out of it. You may know what's right. It still won't get you out of it. You may get yourself on a regimen to try to stop doing the things you're doing. It won't work. It won't work. You may be able to do it for a while, but you won't persist because as Bagot says, the common lawyer of ancient or more ancient times, you can know what's right, but if you don't have the power to overcome it, it won't happen.
It won't persist. And that power to overcome it is the spirit of God living in your body, in your organs, in your mind, invading your body, he'll discipline you. That's where the discipline comes from. He will do it. Question. He will deliver you. Go ahead.
[01:25:03] Unknown:
Brent, you do know that in about five minutes we're coming up on the bottom of the second hour. In about five minutes, you know I'm gonna nag you to talk about commonlawyer.com
[01:25:11] Unknown:
some more. Right? You know that? Oh, it's fine. Yeah. No. I appreciate it. Listen. I'm old enough. I'm not looking for any any, pass on the back much. It's nice to get them, but I do recognize that's not what's important. And what's important is that I take the two things that God says will last forever. The two things that God says will last forever. And those two thing, number one, the word of God. The the flower fades and the grass withers, but the word of God stands forever, says the Bible. The other thing that lasts forever are God God's creatures, men. They last forever. They will last forever in bliss with him, or they will last forever in torment in hell, but they will last forever.
So I'll take those two things that I know last forever. Everything else is gonna go up in flames, new heaven and new earth, but, those two things last forever. And if I could put those together or help facilitate putting those two together, then I've done something worthwhile. So help us doing that. When you take the courses, and there are about a dozen common law courses there you can take at commonlawyer.com. When you take them, number one, you get something out of it. You can pass on to other people. Maybe something. Number two, you you encourage us and support us in what we're doing because we have increasingly put more of our time into this. And I still I'm not gonna be dissuaded. I don't think at this point, the spirit of God impels me. The spirit of God in me impels me to do what I'm doing. I don't take credit for it. Not at all.
If, my policy ought to be, and I recommend this to you, somebody else gets the credit, I get the enjoyment, and God gets the glory. And that's the Christian life in a nutshell. So I give credit. There's Paul here, and there's Roger invited me on, and the and, of course, Paul English helped put this thing up and keep it going. I'm more probably people on you listening, You have had people that take the courses, join with us. Take the courses. You get a maybe something you want, and that keeps us going. And you can help put those two things together. What lasts forever? Men and the word of God. The laws of nature and the laws of nature's God. We're teaching a course coming up on the July 10, comparative law, comparing and contrasting our law of the land, our common law with the law of the city, the canon civil laws of Rome, comparing and contrasting the fundamental level. And with that, you get the digital form of the comparative law text, excellence of the common law, all 958 pages whereby we compare and contrast the law of the land with the law of the city beginning at the settling of the city of Babylon and carrying it on up through every continent and every age, and then right here in America and coming to the fundamentals and what we're to do about it. And why that's the most important thing we can recognize is the difference of between the law of the land and the law of the city, which governs every country in the world. The law of the city governs every country in the world except the handful of common law countries.
And there is no opportunity, no opportunity for freedom in those countries. I don't care what the world tells you. It's a damnable lie. There is no freedom of speech in Sweden, my friends. There is no guaranteed freedom of speech in South America or all the communist bought countries. Why? They're under the code of Justinian, the canon civil laws of Rome, we call them today, the canon civil laws of Rome. And that's a a dual name that's given in the universities for people to study their lawyers and those we call them, lawyers and those, law of the city countries.
We're that's not our law here, friends. By the grace of God, the second greatest blessing we have in America is the laws of the laws of nature, our common law tradition. And the first greatest blessing we have is the Bible, the laws of nature's God as our declaration of 76 puts it. Well, take those courses. Go to commonlawyer.com, www.commonlawyer.com. Commonlawyer.com. Join us in the morning. In the morning, an hour earlier than now, go to commonlawyer.com. You can see where to click on the link to join us for church in the morning. We're going through books of the Bible, clause by clause and blow by blow.
Tomorrow's Saturday. We're in first Peter. First Peter. And he, of course, is, one of the members of that 12 man jury given his verdict. And then we're in the book of Exodus, the law of God, the as Moses was used to pass it on to us. We're going through that. Jesus Christ quotes from the law of God, the book of Deuteronomy, a matter of fact, more than any other book. He came to establish his law, and that's the reason he has given us the new birth from above that he may establish his law and his people. We're lawless before, and we were contrary to the law of God, the Bible says, dead, utterly dead, and our sins are breaking of his law.
So I commend that to you. Commonlawyer.com. Thank you, Paul and Roger. Commonlawyer.com.
[01:30:17] Unknown:
Yeah, man. Great. Did you did you promote the upcoming comparison comparative class?
[01:30:24] Unknown:
Just a little. Yeah. Go and take that comparative law class. That's fundamental. I've been looking forward to teaching this for a long time. That's the one we wrote the book about and we've focused on all these years. I think it starts in July at some point. Stay tuned or go to a common lawyer. Yes. Who's trying to say something?
[01:30:39] Unknown:
Yep. No. It's Larry.
[01:30:41] Unknown:
We have a question for Brent. Actually, two questions. Can you go over again? I think we talked about a couple of months ago. Is there a difference or does does does the thing exist called a statutory trust or are they all common law trusts? And then the second question is, one of the big concerns with a lot of students is once they get out of the IRS, they're they're you know, some students might have a fear that the IRS might come after them in a couple of years. And so, therefore, they learn about trusts, and then they they put their property in a trust, their home, their car. And, you know, in in an effort to protect them from the IRS, confiscating the property.
So does that property, if if a student puts their property in a trust, does that have to, be in that trust for a certain period of time like so many years before it's it's, like, considered untouchable by the by some entity coming after them?
[01:31:45] Unknown:
Larry, could I add that all trust stuff's put in there for financial estate planning purposes only?
[01:31:55] Unknown:
Was that a part of the question, Ron? No. I'm answering them. But instead of saying they're doing this to protect from IRS, it's for financial planning. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. That's a good distinction, Roger. I'm glad you brought that up. Well, let me ask you this, Larry. Have you taken the course? The trust course. No. But I'm, trying to get together with Paul to take it. I was gonna make that suggestion. I think Paul, have you talked to anybody yet from our organization? Well, he's not he maybe he's clicked off. You're right. No. He's chasing he's chasing
[01:32:28] Unknown:
something. He's chasing buttons. No. He's chasing buttons. Where did you? Not Lisa. I wasn't chasing Lisa. I wanna be clear about that. I was chasing buttons. Well, good. Thank you. My mute. So, I no. I I have put out the, clarion call. I've got about eight or nine people that are ready to jump in with both feet, and I just connected with Francine on found
[01:32:57] Unknown:
this morning. So, yes, things are moving forward. They're moving ahead. Okay. Well, thank you, Larry. And, get together with Paul. Apparently, you've got that under your belt. I'll just say quickly, during the Clinton and, like, I need to answer your question. The answer to your question is, the look back period of of five years, sixty months, only applies if you're if you end up going to a nursing home. That's a blunt way to put it and explain it would take a long time. No sense trying to do that now. But Bill Clinton said, if you move, your wealth into a trust or an LLC or anything else, and then go to a nursing home before five years have elapsed, you're not eligible for any federal funds that may help keep you in that nursing home. That's a blunt way to put it. There's more to it than that, but that's fundamentally what it amounted to. He pushed that through. Well, that's ridiculous law as a crazy woman like Janet Reno, who was insane according to the Bible, said she would never prosecute grandma for doing that. And as far as I know, the general government in Washington, DC has never done that. They've never prosecuted people for that. But that doesn't mean that they won't. Just remember, whatever's on the books is a tool if they wanna use it. Yeah. And it and and history proves at some point, they will. Yep.
So, that's what that applies to, and there's more we could talk about. But, what I'm not interested in not talking about that as much. I'm interested in people understanding the fundamental of the trust arrangement. That's what people do all sorts of things with trust. And a lot of there's a lot of gurus on the Internet teaching the common law trust and all of and the things you mentioned make me realize you've been influenced by some of what they say, but it's for tax purposes and all that. That'll never work if you don't understand the trust. All I want all I want is to teach people and, again, to get what is a trust. It as one trust expert said, he wrote the lawyer's lawyer one of the lawyer's lawyer's books on trust, and he said, the trust is as mysterious to lawyers and judges and other people as mysterious as the doctrine of the trinity.
He was trying to make a point. What he was saying was, here, let's take the doctrine of the trinity. You cannot explain the doctrine of the Trinity sufficiently to satisfy man's intellectual curiosity. But it's not a contradiction, the doctrine of the Trinity. You can state the fact of it as the Bible presents it. There is no contradiction in it. Well, that's the way trusts are. You can't make them perfectly logical. No, sir. Logic's not the test of truth, my friends. And you can't make the trust logical because it's part of our common law tradition, and our common law tradition does not rest on logic. It rests on fact. And there's never been really a more fictional a more fictional thing than our common law tradition, but it produces liberty because it's just the fact of the matter. It's the way things are, and they ain't gonna change, and God made them that way. You see?
The civil law tradition tries to promote the idea that man can come up with law that is consistent and logical. But unfortunately, under those systems, all the communist systems use the code of Justinian of the Roman Empire. That's tyranny. The Roman church, the Greek Orthodox church uses it. That's tyranny. It's a government by a single will, and that's always tyranny and, cutting God out. That's the very definition of antichrist, antichristos, the preposition anti. But a trust is God's way of organizing His relationship with His people and with each individual of His people. A common law trust, that's what God set up in the beginning, and He follows that theme out throughout the Bible. That's why it's important to understand the common law trust. How can you really fully grasp, fully grasp your relationship with your maker?
Oh, you can have a relationship as a child, but of course, but then be disciplined by him and the spirit of God. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But to fully grasp what's going on without understanding the common law trust is not going to happen. And if your effectiveness and our forebears understood this, the Puritans, the Scotch Irish Presbyterians, they understood the trust settlement of God. They were the ones that had the greatest influence here. And they're the ones who out of whose culture or we're not out of whose culture we still maintain their culture. Don't tell me we don't. The rest of the world thinks we are prudes, insane. Why? Well, the Puritan influence is still here. That's why. And we don't see it. Boy, they see it. We can't believe you're this prudish in America.
That you worry about somebody getting oral sex in the Oval Office. We were really upset about that. They wouldn't have been upset about that in most other countries. That's just the way it's always been.
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Makes us upset, you see. I had a person from New Zealand even tell me that. Yeah. Well You know what was the upsetting part about that? What? It was the first time that subject matter had ever been brought to the American dinner table.
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Yes. That's what's bad about it because it desensitizes us to it and our children. And these folks that do this are working they're useful idiots, so the demons from hell. It's evil, friends. We're at war. And, yes, our children are to be protected and our wives and our daughters and our sensibilities as men even. We're not to talk about those things. Not in public. No.
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Question.
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God help us. Chivalry seems to be dead, doesn't it? That's a that's a Christian thing. Let's hope not. Joe?
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Could we circle back the ways I've been trying to get in, and I just haven't been able to. Can we go back to second amendment issue?
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I'm willing to, Joe, if if Roger is willing to. It's okay with me, Joe. Well, you got a specific on that you'd like to Yes. I do. Yes. I do. In on? Well Yes, sir. I do. I'm Claire Boynton. It's it's it's a question. It's a question, and I like both of your opinion.
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And, which is, I think we are basically on the same page with regard to the right to keep and bear arms. And the second amendment does say what it says, and interpretation by the courts, by judges, whatever, has twisted it, morphed it into something that it wasn't intended to be. And with that said, and I think I've heard one of the two you regard, or say in regard to the second amendment that me keeping my arms and you keeping your arms keep us both, gentlemen. Well, I Would Let me say that wouldn't be the same, and let me carry this on. And wouldn't that carry on to Iran?
You know, if if only Pakistan had nuclear arms and India didn't, do you think Pakistan wouldn't have just run over India Might have. Or vice versa?
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Yep. They don't like they don't like each other too much. They're using that that Iran's going to
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use nuclear arms is bogus, but people buy it.
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That's just my thought. I I'm not here to comment. Joe Joe, we you and I, I think, probably grew up, when the policy in America was MAD Yes. Between Russia and America, mutual assured destruction. And we we believed, and I think rightly so, and you said it, that, both of us being armed the way we were made us polite with each other. And we had a relationship during the Cold War. There was talking going on. Yes. But we were, had a different, we had a different religion. But because we were armed, it kept us from destroying each other. We don't know that we would have done that, but I I do know, like I said, if somebody has power and the other fellow doesn't, the chances of that other fellow using that power are pretty strong to get what he wants.
That's that's the depravity of mankind. And in this cruel, twisted world where we all suffer from the imperfections of mortality and the weaknesses of mortality. God has so ordained in his law that we be armed, and we be armed individually as militiamen. That's the requirement. I asked my mother. My mother and my father, father's 99 here in a little bit, and my mother is way up there. And I said, do you think a woman ought to carry a gun? And she said, I don't have to answer that question. I said, why not? Because I'm a woman. I don't have to carry a gun if I don't want to, but you do. That's what she told me. I don't have to carry a gun if I don't want to, but you do. Well, that's a second amendment.
The militiamen are required to carry a gun if a woman wants to learn. And II advocate the idea that women should learn to shoot well because they are the home guards as the Bible says that they are the home guards when the man's away, they're the home guards when there is no man. So a lot of women live alone and, they should learn, but men are required to. It's not an option, a right. As we understand that ancient Anglo Saxon Anglo Dane word, a right is not is not an option. Well, I have the right to do this if I want to. No. That's not what a right is. A right right means duty. That's a Latin word, duty, but right is the Anglo Saxon word that means duty.
And our law, our common law was called among those ancient tribes on the North Of Europe. They called it their vote right. That's what they called our common law. We call it the common law, law of the land. They call it the vote right. The vote is the folk. We say folk, f o l k. That was their word for the militiamen, the folk. We came to say, by the time the King James Bible was translated, they call it the people. The people. Every time you see the word people in the Bible and even in the other translations, they picked up on the King King James. The people means the militia. It means armed men. Men, not women.
Armed men. Quite true. And, yeah, back to you, Joe.
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Okay. The but my point was more to the conflict in the Mideast than it is between I think it's a settled issue amongst most people. In our camp anyway about what the second amendment means. But does wouldn't the same logic hold true for Iran?
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Well, I sure it holds true. I I wouldn't disagree with that. But why is it that America and other places are saying we're not gonna let you do that? And the reason is because we're powerful enough to do it as I've said a while ago.
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That's the reason we're doing it. Jingoism.
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Yeah. And, but here's another thing to take into consideration. As, my my priority according to God's word is to Christian men and women. I am I am to prefer them above all others when I have to make a choice. And I'm making a choice. As long as we have a Christian culture in America, as long as my countrymen are here on the same parcel of land, as long as, we have a commonness of our common land and our common law tradition. My preference is to hear. And, clearly, the religion of Iran is demonism without question. And clearly Judaism, according to Jesus Christ, is false religion as well.
So all of them together that follow the false religion as a matter of statecraft and priestcraft are not my concern. They're not the ones I'm in to prefer. God has put me on this land. I prefer them. Well, if they blow each other up over there, if there's no national interest that we have that is fundamental and this is what I used to preach when I ran for office. I said, look. If there's no national interest we have that's fundamental, then we need to stay out of other people's business. If we have a national maybe maybe we do have a national interest that's fundamental. I don't know what it is. Maybe somebody could articulate that to me in this case. But from my perspective, there's nothing I can do about it. And like I always say, it's more important what goes in, more important what goes on in my house than what goes on in the courthouse, the state house, the the, house of representatives, the White House, and the the halls of the governments of other nations.
Then what's gonna make my what's gonna get God's will done is if this nation remains a Christian cultured nation, and I have responsibility in that, that is a lifelong responsibility, and I think every tribe, every Christian man and woman has that responsibility, that we maintain what we have here. And if there's any threat from another country to us, if we can eliminate it, we should. If we can eliminate it in a peaceful way, best. But if it comes down to somebody attacking us or we there's imminent attack, well, I believe we should act. Apparently, people wonder, what I think about stuff like that. I don't I don't I'm not following the Iran thing that closely. It's been around all my life, Iran, trying to get I do know this.
That's been a puppet regime over there for since the nineteen fifties and maybe beyond. And that's the The United States had a, a hand in that that probably wasn't good, the show of Iran and all that. And now we've got these other fellas in there. They're clowning around. I don't know who they are. I know that they worship they don't worship they worship demons. They don't worship the god.
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They they claim to be direct descendants of Mohammed. Well They're not very popular. There's a lot of different factions over there. They got women walking around, not in the thing that where they can only see their eyes, but they do some of them do cover their yeah. Birka. Some of them do cover their hair. It may be the fact that there's a lot of factions here that may allow Israel to prevail on this if they're they're trying to get them to overthrow the mullahs. But they're also got in the background you'll appreciate this, Brent. The Shah of Iran, you mentioned his grandson is in the wings getting ready to be run-in there if Israel has their way. And he's telling people,
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be ready when the time comes. We're gonna take over. And we've got to end this nightmare and all that. I'm I'm aware of what you're talking about a little bit, but I haven't studied into it. But that may happen. But, as long as they're not threatening my country and I haven't looked into it. I'm just saying as long as they aren't. I have no indication they are. Then I I I don't want our boys over there dying on behalf of another country. And they need
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DJ is gonna make the decision probably by hold on a second, please. DJ is gonna make the decision by Sunday or Monday whether to put boots over there or not. Uh-huh. It yeah. That's kinda what I've gathered. And there's all kinds of implications and repercussions from this. It's a really dangerous shifting sands. Yeah. Over the overall picture, Trump could be using this to partially cut off the supply of oil to China.
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Yeah. That all those things happen too. I Right. More complex than I know. Yep. And
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if it goes the wrong way, the Mullahs can block the Straits Of Hormuz, where 18% of the world's oil goes through there every day. And that will send our and the world's economy to a $100,120, $30 barrel of oil. And mister Trump's,
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comeback is done if that happens. So there's all kinds of things that are that are resting on it. Yeah. And more than we understand. But we do know this, that we made those folk rich. They didn't make themselves rich. It was our technology, our people that went over there and did that. They were eating sand before. I've been to what's that that really rich city over there? Dubai or something. I've been there. And I've seen I I'm overwhelmed with, the wealth they have, and none of it is from them. None of it. Right. That's all from American technology innovation and ambition. Yeah. And so we do have an investment there. And if, it's it's a national but it's if it's of national interest, it should be protected. If we have a lot of Americans, I that I would say that. I don't know know enough about it to say what I would do or what I would, but I know this. If we have a vital national interest at stake,
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then our our country should do something to protect that vital national interest. Well, that's straight to Hormuz thing directly tied to the economy could be one of them. Someone was trying to say something there a minute ago. Who was that? Hello? Somebody's trying to say something. Well, I gave you sounded
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like Waheed.
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Yeah. Yeah. I was gonna say I forgot what I was gonna I totally forgot. I was listening to what she said and what Rick said, and I forgot my question.
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Okay. Okay. Alright. Well, I'm back in the bathroom with you then.
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I have a Roger, Bruce.
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Bruce has got some sort of a comment, Bruce.
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So let let Paul go ahead.
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Oh, I'm gonna be on a soapbox for at least three or four minutes, so you go ahead. Come on in.
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Well, what I'm getting out of, the the story here today, the nationals, as a national, we're under the articles of Confederation and the organic constitution, not the fourteenth amendment. Okay. The citizen US citizen
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is under the Fourteenth Amendment laws. Well, hold it. There was a national after the Fourteenth Amendment, Bruce, he was called Whitey and Jim Crow.
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What's that mean?
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Well, that means they that that you said before the fourteenth amendment and the organic, but there was there was this status was after the Civil War too. He was called Whitey and Jim Crow.
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Okay.
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Alright. So go ahead just to correct that.
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No. I'm just giving the anally analogy of what we're under, the National, and that came to me about the articles confederation and the organic, constitution. Well, okay. The fourteenth amendment.
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But the but the status was still there after the fourteenth amendment. You're excluding it from that point forward. That's what I'm trying to correct, John.
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I understand. I understand what you're saying. But I'm just saying okay. I'll let it go. Alright.
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Fourteenth amendment wasn't the only shenanigans they pulled. Oh, they're they're they're people The only thing that existed prior to the fourteenth amendment was either nationals or slaves. They did away with the slaves with the thirteenth amendment. I don't care, if they absolutely set fire to the fourteenth amendment. And my my soapbox comment is I am completely on board with Joe. I do believe that if Iran wants to have nuclear weapons and everybody else has them, Iran should be able to have them because it's not it's not so much mutually assured destruction. It's just polite people, polite countries being polite to other polite countries.
Now if they don't want Iran to have nuclear weapons, and we know exactly why, it's the same reason they wanna take guns away from us is because the little hat bastards, pardon the expression, don't want anybody that they expect to mop up to be able to fight back. And that's exactly
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their chicken ship high in transits? Absolutely. They got to have superiority or else they don't play. They're chicken ship high in transits.
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They fear a formidable enemy. Let Iran have nukes or wipe nukes off the planet altogether.
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If Iran can't have them, nobody can have them. Yeah. And then they accuse them of the terrorism. Well, it's the Jews that are the terrorists, and they've been proven that since '48 and before, And they've got over a thousand nuclear bombs, it said. But nobody else can have one. Yep. Sure. Get rid of them. Just yes. Just like the Gossens. It's just like the Gossens. You can't have any food or water, and we're gonna bomb you and kill you, but we get everything. This is their attitude. This is that tall, muted attitude that nobody has a soul but them.
They're better than everybody else. All of that stuff accumulates into this chutzpah attitude they carry.
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Well yeah. And and make no mistake. Make absolutely no mistake. And I wanna make sure AI gets this. The only reason they don't want Iran to be able to defend itself is because Iran is the last cookie in the jar without a World Bank.
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Right. And it's also Eritrea's Israel as we've commented on this week. They've been talking about that since after they got the country founded, which is this whole area where they're not gonna have any opposition. And Iran was the last country, by the way.
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The last one. They're the last cookie in the jar. When Iran falls, we all do.
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Yeah. So, I wanted to, go double back on Roger. The pastor Pete thing. Just a second, Samuel. On the pastor Pete thing and talk about Colonel Jack Moore for a minute. He was a really outstanding guy. And, before that, the John Birch Society had been named after John Birch, a guy who was killed, I think, in China, Brent, by the communist. And then the and but that was not colonel Jack Moore. Colonel Jack Moore was the last or the first guy to be released by the North Korean communist. And what they did to him was, they captured him, and and they they gave him a death sentence, like, 12 or 13 times.
And they go through the last rites in the morning. What's your last cigarette or whatever? What do you want for breakfast? And they blindfold him and take him out in the courtyard, and then they go ready, aim, fire, and all the rifles would fall on empty chambers. They did that, like, 12 or 13 times if you can imagine somebody putting you through that. So then he got released, and he came back. And because John Birch had been founded against the communist and he had just gone through this ordeal and was first person released, that's where he got his, his promotion to colonel, by the way, field promotion, Brent. And, he came back and and John Birch, picked him up immediately and made him their number one speaker.
You know, all their speakers revolve around the country and stuff. And it was when he got to Little Rock, Arkansas, his hometown, and, speaking to John Birch Society that night, and that was the first time he brought up Zionism. And the next day, John Birch kicked him out of the society, halted his nationwide tour, and boom. There you go. So if you wanna know here, the John Birch Society, which puts out a lot of good information, okay, is still co opted counterculture. Jack Welch, he's the guy that founded it. His parents were the heirs. He was the heir to the little peppermint candies with the peppermint swirl. That's Welch candy company.
And he sold that company to the Rockefellers. And to this day, it's my understanding, John Birch Society has an overdraft account, no overdraft account with Chase Manhattan Bank or whatever they've become. So, they're just I wanted to tell you about him for his sacrifices and what he did. And you could probably go to scripturesforamerica.org, and I'll bet his stuff is still on there. He used to have a whole section devoted to colonel Jack Moore. He was one hell of an American. I just wanted to add that. Okay?
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Mhmm. Well, thanks, Roger.
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That, Samuel, I think, was Yeah. Samuel, I'm sorry to step on you. I wanted to get that out. What you got, Samuel?
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Yeah. Not to forget this most important thing. We created or helped create Israel. They're our proxy. We send them billions of dollars worth of weaponry every year. They are committing genocide in our name. Yep. We are getting a black eye all over the world for it. Yep. And we're going to reap the benefits of going against God's law. You know, there was a time in this country when we believed in the great commission. Now we just believe in blowing up the world and killing people.
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Well, that's not that's not what we believe. That's what these monsters that control our government and our country believe. And, boy, they have almost turned Donald Trump Well, they're doing it. They're doing it. They're doing it. They're doing it. They're doing it. They're doing it. They're doing it. They're doing it. They're doing it. They're doing it. They're doing it. They're doing it. They Samuel, 100%. I hate it. That's why I fight so hard here because I wanna separate myself from these monsters. Because just what Brent said, you travel all over the world to make one convert, and he's twice the demon of hell that you are.
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That's a massive blow up people since they've been there. Yep. All they do is kill people. Yep. And sodomy Central Tel Aviv, I think, is being targeted by Iran just for that reason. Well, maybe. Good for them. They've got about half of it so far.
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So there's our whistler. Thank you, for everybody. Brent, we had a new guy that came on yesterday. He's down in Texas. His name is Christian, and he had not heard a program with you on it yet. So you and I together, so I encouraged him to listen in today, and I hope he did. But, I hope everybody got a we had a intro we never discuss and plan what's goes on on these shows. Whatever comes off here is 100% spontaneous, and that's the way I insist on this radio program being run. And I hope you appreciate it. Okay? So, anyway, thanks for being with us. And, if you're new and that's first exposure to Brent Winters, so we our opinion around here is the guy's an unrecognized national treasure and, commonlawyer.com, and you better pay attention to him.
So, anyway, other than that, we'll be back tomorrow. Brent will be back tomorrow over there on first Peter. Unfortunately, we're opposite each other. So, but you can get both of us in archives too, and, we'll look for Brent and Francine, his, producer, next, next Friday. And we always enjoy doing these shows. We've never done a bad show with Brent Werners on board. K? So, anyway, hope you got something out of it. We'll hang around and yak for a second here, but let us cut this off. We're gonna lay our bodies down and all that stuff. So Bye bye. Audience. Yes, sir.
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This is Christian. I just enjoyed it. This has been awesome. I just y'all are awesome.
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Okay. Thank you, Christian. I was hoping you were out there today. Wait till he gets off on one of his total biblical, paths. There's a bunch of them in the archive. You can go to any Friday. We hardly have missed a Friday in over ten years. We we have a couple, but not many. K? So thank you, Christian, for joining. And Christian, meet Brent, by the way. You might go over and visit the website. Brent, I I tell you. That is awesome.
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I just it was spellbound like like, people that listen to Job in his day, hush their mouth of the wisdom that I heard today.
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Yes. Well, I I tried to repeat the Bible. That's what I tried to do, but I want Christian, if you can join us in the morning for or, oh, Saturday morning. Tomorrow morning, we have, we're going through first Peter, and then Sunday morning, we're going through, we're in Exodus,
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and I appreciate your kind words. Yeah. But, And, Christian and let me just tell Christian, if you don't have a church home, you you ought to dial in that Sunday morning, broadcast for two hours. You'll you'll really enjoy it.
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But, Roger, people tell, Roger, people tell me that the show we do here is, more interesting than any others that we do. I think it has to do with the interaction we have going here. We've had all these years, and people like that. I like it. You know? And, so it's all good, though. If you can get anything out of the word of God and the laws of nature and the laws of nature's God, that's what we talk about on Saturdays and Sundays. We're also going through the, Stanbury's catechism on the constitution of The United States published, 1828, Arthur j Stanbury. It's a good catechism.
Just questions and answers. Stimulates discussion.
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I'm hearing birds and singing and all kinds of stuff.
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Good old shaking. It's really
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That's my nine baby chicks, I think, as if you're hearing birds.
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Well, Christian, that's a nice service over there, and you'd find the link on commonlawyer.com.
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Aid our heart.
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And it's a nice search home. So that's, something you might not know about yet. And Francine's right there. Yeah. She is the, she's the music director over there. Aren't you, Frances? Spanish. Among other things. Yes. Among other things. Yeah. She's a Jill of all trades, that Francine. And Brent the first time Brent and I ever did a show together, there's there was instant chemistry and has been there ever since. And I'm a radio guy. I've been in the in around the industry my entire life. I know chemistry when you when it hits you, and Brent and I've just got it. And that's we both enjoy doing the show so much individually that we'd probably do it even if you guys weren't listening.
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K?
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Praise god. Y'all are committed.
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Yeah. We are. Yeah. Well, you know the difference, like the, it's like the, the the pig at breakfast. You know? You ever heard that, Christian? No, sir. Well, you know, when you have breakfast, you got bacon and eggs. Right? And then ham. And, the chicken was involved, but the pig was committed.
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Yeah.
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Oh, wow. That's awesome.
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So, anyway, welcome to the family, Chris. Hey, Roger. Yes. There's Larry. Right? They're another one of our members. Yes, sir. Right.
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Yeah. So to get getting back to my two questions I asked Brent. Brent, so I think you I think you mentioned months ago that all all trusts are common law trusts. And I'd I was wondering if you could take a minute to elaborate on that, that there's no such thing as a statutory trust. And then I think you attempted to answer my second question that, not you know, no entity could break through a trust except if if it's whatever this law is that Clinton passed, that it has the property has to be in that trust for five years if it has to do with going into a nursing home. Anything else is untouchable. Is that true?
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No. No. Not not precisely. But no. And let's start from the beginning. Common law trust. The trust is a common law concept. The trust does not exist in the rest of the world. The rest of the world's countries don't recognize it except in England, America, New Zealand, Australia, Canada. Well, let's put it this way. In in England and all the colonies of England or the former colonies like ourselves, the trust is the law because we're a common law jurisdiction, a common law country. If the other countries don't recognize it, they have something called the under the Roman law called Fide Khamisem, but it's not trust. It's a different deal. That thing they have tools they use to do what they wanna get done. The Fide Khamisem, for example, is part of the law, Louisiana and Quebec
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because they're And Argentina.
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And all of South America and Quebec and Louisiana are the only two non common law jurisdictions in North America. Well, I shouldn't say it. Mexico is technically it's North America, most people would say, but I should say North Of The Rio Grande. But the the trust is a common law creature, a creature of our common law. It's a critter, a creation of our common law. And so it doesn't exist in the rest of the world. So when I say all trust or common law trust, yeah, they are. Well Well, if a statute says, well, you can form a trust now that is self an asset protection trust that is self settled.
Well, that's, the, I believe Wyoming has has passed legislation to say that. Well, you say that's statutory trust. It depends on the statute. It does. It does. Will the courts support the statute? Well, if they'll support the statute, what do I care if the statute or it's not a statute? Now I I can say that or sometimes I've written trust and I've said this trust relies upon no statute for its for its administration or existence. And for different reasons, I might say that. But remember, our common law tradition to say that our common law tradition is nonstatutory law is false.
One of the greatest features of our common law tradition is a statute, a particular statute called the great writ, the writ of habeas corpus. The statute of habeas corpus is a statute of parliament way back there, and every state in The United States has some form of it except Louisiana, maybe. I don't know if they do or not. No. I think they have. I I think they might have that. They probably haven't because of the overlay of the constitution of The United States in the federal courts in Louisiana. See? I'd like to remind people, Louisiana didn't have jury trials for any cases, including murder cases until after 1968 because, one fellow convicted of murder appealed to the Supreme Court and said I was entitled to a jury trial, and I didn't get one. Well, Well, Louisiana doesn't have the jury. Why? It's not a common law jurisdiction.
They don't have juries. They just have the judge. And the and the Supreme Court of the United States said, we agree. Constitution of The United States requires a jury trial in capital cases, in federal court. We're gonna extend that to the state courts of Louisiana, through the fourteenth amendment, Roger. Mhmm. Of course. Of course. Question. Yeah. That's what happened. Yeah. Go ahead. Alright. Female? Yes, ma'am?
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Lisa. Lisa. Okay. So if a statute, which is law, is kind of my understanding loosely, the statutes at large, What about codes and regulations?
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Codes and regulations are the attempt of the executive branch, the president on the national level, and the governor on the state level to make law. That's what they are. It's it's false. It's the or even in the on the federal level, our constitution of The United States says all legislative power, and that's Latin for lawmaking power, shall be in a congress of the United States. And not until Roosevelt did we have regulations like that. That's right. But regulations are the attempt of the executive branch to pass off their orders as law. That's what it is. It's false. Right. It should've never happened. Remember the stitch in time that saved nine? Yes. The stitch in time oh, they're not the stitch.
The switch the old saying is the switch in the stitch in time that saves nine stitches. The scam in time. Yeah. And we they they used to say after Roosevelt tried to pack the Supreme Court, unconstitutionally, to have enough justices to get done what he wanna get done that would be on his side. Mhmm. There was one justice, Jackson, who was a Democrat who hadn't been supporting Roosevelt's New Deal, and he switched. He was one of the nine justices that switched sides, and that was a switch in time that saved nine justices from going 14 or 15. And, he switched, and so the new deal went through and kept getting power and whatever con congress rubber stamped and passed all the legislation that Roosevelt wanted, and things got worse from there. And it became popular at the state level and the national level for regulations to be promulgated by the executive branch, the president.
And, their their courts have said that almost across the board that these are have the same status as law, as and you can challenge them, and I've tried to challenge some of the regulations at the federal level, but the burden is almost impossible. And here's why. Because, used to be the burden was on the government to prove that their regulations were constitutional. Now the burden is not on the government anymore. The burden's on the person challenging the government, and, it's burdens on us to prove that they are unconstitutional,
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and that becomes almost impossible. Yeah. About the only way to do it is go back to the original legislation and its original intent.
[02:11:54] Unknown:
And that becomes almost impossible as well. Right. So, the three branches of government you see are separate and coequal. And if the judicial branch says this law is unconstitutional, well, that's their opinion. That doesn't mean the law of the president won't enforce it anyway. He may, may not dependent upon what he thinks is constitutional or or what he can politically get away with. It comes down to those two things. Remember, men are not angels. They're fundamentally evil. Our fundamental nature is to what is wrong and not what is right. And the only way to overcome that is if God overcomes it in you. He will reorient your nose.
Your nose will be pointed in the right direction with a new birth. Mhmm. And you'll be like the child trying to please your father, but you fall short. You make mistakes. You're ignorant. You're tired. You're non disciplined, and on and on the madness goes. That's the world we live in. That's why God gave us these this due process, the way government is supposed to operate, the way we are to try cases. That's our common law tradition. Right. Habeas corpus is all about the way we decide whether or not a man is, jailed lawfully. That's habeas corpus. It's a statute. And everybody in government, legislative, executive, and judicial, have a bound and duty to follow our laws of nature and our laws of nature's god, congressman and their legislation.
The, our common law is not an expression only of our courts. Everybody is responsible to discern what is right and true and follow due process. What is due process? It is the process that is due and owing to all concerned. What is that? Well, that comes down to some serious business. That's our common law tradition. Our common law tradition is habeas corpus, not, whether or not you broke the statute. You won't find anything in our constitution of The United States or even other states. No. It says any much anything about tort law, contract law, family law, estate law. That's not that's that's substantive law. That's do not covet, lie, steal, commit adultery, and murder. That's substantive. That's God's jurisdiction.
Our jurisdiction is to make sure things are done fairly and rightly so that we can discover what is true. Ours is not somebody said to me yesterday, I said, well, the Bible, we're we're a little median of sorts. And I said, the Bible, does not authorize prisons, period, period, as punishment for crime. And in our country, we never did that until up until the eighteen forties when the the cities became more powerful. If if people committed crimes, we had the Bible's way of dealing with it. There was punishment, but it wasn't locking a man up. That's cruel and unusual punishment. And if you've never been to prison, you wouldn't understand that very well. It's cruel and unusual. Mhmm. It's wrong. It's evil. Prisons are evil. Well, somebody said, but is there any proof that, prisons do the job? And my response was, I'm not concerned whether there is or not. If the Bible says no, the Bible says no. Yeah. I'm I'm not I'm not responsible for the results of God's law, his process. I got an example of the proof of that.
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Go ahead. MS 13.
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Well, but but still, even if I get your point, Roger. God will use God will make straight licks with crooked sticks. He'll do things with our evil, and he says he will in the Bible. And I can show you in history where he's made a lot of straight licks with a lot of crooked sticks like us and and the institutions like prisons we have. Yep. But that's not God's way. And God says you're not to be concerned with the outcome. Our ours is not to be concerned with the outcome. Does, capital punishment, re, lessen crime?
That's not my concern. My concern is to do what God says. And where the Bible is unambiguous, unambiguous, then I should just relax and say, okay. And but when you do it, when you do what God says, what I've discovered is that I begin to see the benefits. Like David said, I love thy law. The benefits of it are more than we can imagine. Everything about it is perfect. The Bible says it's perfect. I've discovered when I the more I look at it, we're going through Exodus now. Exodus and the law there. The law of indentured servanthood. What does that mean? Does the Bible, authorize slavery and on and on those questions? The Bible answers that. It defines those things. Who, for crying out loud, is steadying the law of Moses?
Answer, nobody. And then criticize it when you don't know beans from sour apple butter about what it says. That's what most of Christian Christianity does. Jesus Christ quoted it from the law of God. He said, do not think I came to, undo or the law. No. I came to flesh it out. That's what those words mean. To make it work. To make it work. How do we do that? Well, the first thing we do is we gotta know we cannot do what we do not know. We cannot we cannot impart what we could do not possess.
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We can't give to another person something we don't use. Yeah. Go ahead. You blank out. There's second time it's happened for about ten, fifteen, twenty seconds. Oh. And I think I found the first regulation.
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What is it?
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It was, March the ninth of thirty three in the bank holiday. And if you go look at that description in Black Law Dictionary, it says that the secretary of the treasury reopened the banks after five days under regulations issued by that person. First of all, there wasn't a secretary of the treasury before that. There was a treasurer of The United States, and those are the first regulations, I believe, that are on record. Now the Administrative Procedures Act, which is their guidebook, if you will, their rule book that's, pub it's codified at title five section five five two and following, but that didn't come about until 1946.
So that was almost fifteen years later. They operated with no rule book except issued by whoever, I guess.
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At the top levels, there is no rule book. Let me give you an example. They gave the bailout the bailout to the banks in 02/2008, you remember. And the figure that, was given that our government gave to the banks was $750,000,000,000.
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That was, o eight?
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Yeah. O eight. $750,000,000,000.
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Now here's Paulson. Paulson was the guy, I think, that got it.
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Yeah. Here's how they came to that figure. The bank said that if they'd asked for a trillion, they thought Congress would reject them because that was too much. They needed 500,000 or 500 milli or 500,000,000,000. So they cut they split the difference and asked for 750, and they got it. Now there's no there's no science to that. There's no economic evaluation. There's just we're gonna get everything we can. They figured that was a figure they could get. It's just like when I go into court and I said, judge, I need time. We haven't had an opportunity to to genuine opportunity to respond to this complaint. Well, how much time do you need, mister Winters? Well, in every case, I want ninety days.
Thirty is I I he would give me thirty, but he I think he'd give me forty five. And I usually ask for forty five, and sometimes I get it. Sometimes I only get thirty, but I never get ninety. But that's what they did. It's just an arbitrary figure to get everything you can get. It was extortion, plain and simple. If you don't give us as much, we're gonna the the stock we're gonna stop crash the stock market. Yes. It was extortion. I agree. But I'm making another point, Roger. It's an at the upper levels, law doesn't govern. Arbitrariness govern. We just do as we blame well, please to get everything we can. Right. And so when it comes to to the IRS, people say, well, the law of the IRS is this. They got all these theories, and they listen to that, all these gurus that we talked about last week. Right. Look. You're you're wasting your time.
The IRS does whatever it wants. As far as I know that there is no law, just they do what they want. And if you're willing to pay the money to fight them and maybe you have a 50% chance of losing, you can do that. That's the way that works. Now It's arbitrary. There is no reason. Your money. I'm gonna kick your butt and take your stuff. Well, my are you stealing my phrase? Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. Somebody said that. But, here's another example. I know somebody's trying to say something. Hold on. There's another example from the bottom up where they do follow it, and that was the example of the mask, mandates from the CDC when finally after a couple of years, one of these law firms realized they were interpretive regulations and went to the Central District Of Florida to a female judge who was a clerk for Clarence Thomas who overturned that. Then the Bush administration said we're gonna appeal it, which they never did. And about a year or two later, they tried the same scam again to try and bring on another one of these diseases, and they passed the same regulation for TSA, but only the TSA agents at the airports were required to wear the mask. So there they were recognizing it. Now who was trying to say something there a minute ago? Is that Larry?
[02:21:26] Unknown:
Yeah. This is Larry. Alright. Brent, I wanna ask you this question once more. So say somebody living in The United States Of America utilizes an asset protection entity known as a trust, which we now know is a product of the common law, like you explained. And they put all their property in the in the trust, like different trusts. And, you know, a couple of years down down the road, the IRS comes after them and is able to get a lien against them. Now they own nothing, but they control everything. Can the IRS penetrate any of those trusts
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and take that property? They could try. The answer is if this is all hypothetical. If they control everything, the property has no protection. They haven't changed their relationship to the entrusted property. That's the simple answer. Not always true, but in in general. And that in general, that's why we were talking a while ago about self settled trust. I mentioned that. That's a statutory thing. But in general, not not many states have that. If you don't live in one of those states, it'd be hard to form a trust there because your property is not there. But if you haven't changed your your relationship to the property and you still control it, the courts aren't gonna recognize the trust of protecting anything.
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I thought the whole idea behind a trust, though, is that you don't own anything, but you control it.
[02:23:03] Unknown:
Yeah. You've been listening to the gurus, and they say that. And I've been listening to them say that for thirty years, and they're all they're wanting to do is get your money and get you in trouble. Well, here's the and here's the question. Can a grantor,
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the person who puts property into the trust, also be the trustee?
[02:23:21] Unknown:
Oh, it sure he can. That's what that's what we call the living trust is, and it's primarily just a will substitute, but that doesn't protect property. An asset protection trust has certain you have to change your relationship to the property. That means control. And if you can't do that or aren't willing to do that, there isn't gonna be any protection.
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Yep.
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And there are a bunch of charlatans that have been selling this concept for as long as I've been in this moment. And I I know I I was deep into it at one time, and I had all the books, and I read them all trying to understand what they were saying. It's all the same. It's all the same. Here's a silver bullet. Do what I tell you, and you you'll you'll be happy the rest of your life. And I defended a lot of people, a lot of people, and for the with the grand jury indictments and in court that bought into the the Kool Aid as they say. Yeah.
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So Did you ever, defend someone that had had the IRS coming after them regarding one of their trusts?
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Abs that's what I yeah. That's what I I didn't make it clear, but that's what it was all about. Yeah. The the government has always hated trusts. And during the time of Henry the eighth, the trust had been around for, well, we don't know how, thousand, fifteen hundred years. It's lost in the fog of antiquity. The true end of those tribes that lived on the North Of Europe, they called it at that time. But, the Henry the eighth, pushed through parliament, statute of uses, u s e s. A trust then can be called a use a use, uses. So they weren't called trust. They were called uses. But he pushed through the parliament statute of uses because he was frustrated that he couldn't get the taxes he wanted from the entrusted property.
And that has never ceased ever since then. And the governments have they don't like trust. They wanna go to the law of the city. Trust are have or one of the things that have given us in America our ability to produce and keep wealth. Trust law is most powerful in America in the mineral producing states. Oil, gas, gold, coal. Why? Because the trust lends itself to the quick decisions that should be made that will draw on investors, draw an investor. The first Atlantic Cable laid was organized. The money was raised, with a trust.
Organized as a trust. 60% I haven't checked recently about thirty years ago, 60% of all the the hedge funds on the Canadian stock markets were organized as trusts Yeah. Not as corporations. Yeah. And the reason for that is a trustee can doesn't have to get all the shareholders together to make decisions if it's supposed to be him. You see, with that in that case, watch me here. Roger, I'll I'll quit. You can go and say No. I'm just agreeing with what you're saying about him. Like with a hedge fund that organized as a trust where there's a trustee who can make quick decisions and investment investment opportunities.
The people that invest in the hedge fund have turned their money over and the control of their money to and the ownership of their money to a trustee. You see? And, when they change their relationship to their property that way, it is truly entrusted to somebody else and what they do. And he's under a bound and duty to increase the wealth of that property. That's what trust fundamentally is. If a a trustee is under that bound and duty. And the beneficiary of the trust is entitled to all the benefits of the entrusted property, and the trustee bears all the burdens of the entrusted property. He has to make it he has to make it make money. He has to try his best. He has to exercise the prudent under the prudent man rule, the prudent trustee rule.
The highest standard we know the highest standard we have in our common law tradition, the highest standard for behavior is trusteeship. It's so much so Instead of right. The breach of trusteeship is a crime. Prosecutable and you go to jail. It's serious business, friends, and people don't make it that way. They think it's some kind of a joke. I can have this sham thing over here, an arrangement called a trust, and I can use it to my advantage, and I I don't have to pay taxes. That's not true.
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You gotta you gotta follow the law Yeah. Of the trust in order to get those benefits. It's not a tax vehicle. It's a property vehicle. Who was saying Brent right there?
[02:28:09] Unknown:
It's Larry again. So, in our hypothetical example, are you suggesting that what what what allows the IRS to break through a trust is is one's relationship with that trust? So which relationship Oh, one's relationship.
[02:28:26] Unknown:
Oh, one's relationship with the entrusted property. See, you you said a while ago, well, you put your stuff in trust, put it in a trust. Well, you don't put things in a trust. You entrust things. A trust is not an entity like a corporation. You don't put anything in it. It's an arrangement of property and persons. And one's arrangement or one's relationship to the entrusted property will dictate whether or not he he can suffer and lose that property. Mhmm. Let me say that again.
[02:29:00] Unknown:
Mhmm. Go ahead. Have you ever seen someone bust through a trust a trust or the IRS bust through a trust? Yes. And can I tell you the circumstances? That's what I was about to tell you. If you go and put let's say you they take you to tax court and you get found guilty, and after that, you try and go put all your property in a trust, they're gonna call that fraudulent conveyance, and they're gonna treat that trust as a person.
[02:29:24] Unknown:
That's good, Roger. That's fine. I'm aware of that, but my my hypothetical is doing all this before Well they get you in court. Well, what what I just told you was not hypothetical. That's the way they've been doing it for a long time. Was saying his hypo Roger, that was a good point. I'm glad I didn't mention that. That's important. Fraudulent conveyance. But then he he said he he was referring to his hypothetical. Okay. And his hypothetical is, what if you've already entrusted your property, then they come back after you have you seen the IRS just break through a trust? And the answer is yes. Yes. Yes. More than once.
Because the relationship to the property was not proper not properly done in the trust document and in practice. You could have a good trust document and still maintain control of your property and, if you're not gonna get your property protected. By the way, that's true with the corporation too. If you don't treat your corporation like a separate person I mean, in every way, keep all your separate, everything separate, and then you go into court with a proper a problem. The IRS goes after your property. The judge is gonna look at it and say, well, you haven't treated this corporation as the law requires you to treat the corporation. So I'm not going to either. There is no corporation. It's as good as one there, and, yes, they can go after your property. And that's called piercing the corporate veil. Yeah. Mhmm.
[02:30:44] Unknown:
Alright. In that example that you just gave, you've heard of someone break the IRS breaking through it because they didn't do something properly. What exactly was it that they didn't do properly in that particular case that you know about?
[02:30:58] Unknown:
Particular? No. Bunches of cases. Commingling of funds is one. Yeah. Commingling of your personal funds with the funds of the trust or the entity, and there's a difference. That's one way. Another way is just maintain even though you've got it down on paper that you're you've entrusted it and you're not under control, they look into it and find out, no. You are controlling it. And all the a lot of these hucksters out here will set it up that way for you. So it's technically, you don't you're not, supposed to be controlling it, but you do.
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Aren't you supposed to have a annual meeting of the of the people involved too?
[02:31:35] Unknown:
No. I don't have to, but you should you should have have meetings. Yeah. Trust law is looser, but you should have all those things. And most states, for example, under state law, and the the government is supposed to follow state law with respect to trust and corporations. But under state law, most, state law says, that if you your spouse or immediate family member is the trustee of property you have entrusted to them, that won't protect your property either because, for example, one of your children or your wife, the law will take it, as a rebuttable presumption that that you control that person.
That's trust law in most states, and that's a hard one to overcome, by the way. So, independent trustee, what some people do is, point two trustees, one independent trustee that's not a family member and one that is, but the family member can't do anything without approval of the independent trustee who's not a family member. A lawyer, a bank a bank, maybe, or a trust company like that. All all sorts of things are going on. That's why I say to to to set up a trust, you can learn you need to know the fundamentals. Otherwise, you won't operate it right. But it really is true. You need somebody who has something to lose when he sets up a trust like a lawyer. Yeah. So some some indication that he's gonna try to do a good job and and set it up right. What excuse me, Paul. What you just mentioned about the the is the South Dakota evidently has become a real big trust state. People from all over the world are going there. And one of the loopholes
[02:33:15] Unknown:
that they had intentionally or not, we don't know, It it was, actually experienced by a guy who him and his wife had built a big company. And then they got divorced, and he put, everything in trust, and she was the trustee. And in South Dakota, if you change out the trustee, you don't have to notify the trustee. And he replaced her with his new wife or something, and that and I don't know if they've closed that loophole or not, But that was in there. It was a story that I heard about and found interesting. Paul, I'm sorry to interrupt. Go ahead.
[02:33:52] Unknown:
No. I just had a comment. I think I I don't know if I've got this straightened. I hope I can clarify it for Larry. The five year look back is if you engage in an activity that an ordinary person would, deduce may compromise the security of a property, and that property is transferred into another vehicle, like a trust or whatever or transferred to another person, sold, whatever, then a judge is gonna look that look at that, and he's gonna say, well, you could have known that that was going to be in jeopardy because you had already started doing this, this, this, and this. So I think it was just fraudulent conveyance. So, no no dice. Not gonna happen. And as far as the, the Not gonna happen.
And as far as the, the trust, you know, own nothing, control everything. You're never gonna have that. The granter the granter can't lose the property because the granter already gave it away, already entrusted it to the trust. The trustee can't lose the property because he doesn't own it. He can only perform trusteeship over it for the benefit of the beneficiary. And the beneficiary can't lose it because the beneficiary doesn't own it. They only own the benefits from it if there are any. Does does that make sense, Brent?
[02:35:18] Unknown:
Oh, in Maine, I think you did a good job citing some of the fundamentals. But and, obviously, it tells me you've looked into it some. Let's see. If you don't get the simplicity of the trust relationship, the arrangement, nothing else will work. Nothing. You gotta understand that and not violate those fundamentals. That's the bottom line. And that's why we recommend taking the course and asking these questions. It gives us opportunity to say something about it, but we want you to take the course. Please do that, and Paul's trying to arrange it so people can do it and make it more,
[02:35:56] Unknown:
palatable financially, I think. A lot of people have fall fallen victim to charlatans in this area for the whole time I've been in this thing. And and I can promise you one thing you won't hear. Okay? So, should you choose to participate in this Brent. Did did I hear you knocking a fork on a plate there? No. No. I was going through a door, but go ahead. I thought I heard somebody knocking a fork on a plate, and I was gonna say don't get ahead of me now. Go ahead, Larry.
[02:36:30] Unknown:
Larry? So is in your mind, Brent, is there any way that one can make a trust IRS proof? Does that that doesn't exist, I guess, does it? Sure. No. It does. No. It does.
[02:36:47] Unknown:
And I've had clients that have done that and, been pursued. But what you have to do in those asset protect again, it's changing your relationship to your property from control to non control. That means you have to have somebody that you can trust, and that's where the difficulty comes in for most people. They're not willing to give up that control. Mhmm. And there there but there are things you can do with a trust document that would keep a trustee from doing anything wrong. That would be stealing. See? And that's now once you there are provisions you can put in there that'll do that, and that's what we try to do in those cases. Mhmm.
[02:37:28] Unknown:
It can kinda be the kinda animal you want it to be,
[02:37:32] Unknown:
I guess. Right? Right? Right. That that's the beauty of a trust. It is not an entity, like a corporate entity, an LLC, or an LLP, or a c corp, or an s corp, or a PC. It is an arrangement of persons and property. It's not an entity. Now the IRS will look at it as an entity, but that still doesn't mean that doesn't mean it won't protect the property. If it's set up properly, but more than that, if it is operated properly. See? Setting it up properly won't do it. You gotta operate it properly. You gotta take it serious. I've been dealing. It's weird. People have well, they they treat them like they're shams, and that's what the government will call them. Unless it's a sham, you got the shell set up, but you're not Trustee confirms a trustee bond. A surety bond called a trust trustee bond
[02:38:26] Unknown:
can resolve your your risk of who the trustee is. It's a surety bond called a trustee's bond, and and that would be helpful to many of the listeners.
[02:38:36] Unknown:
And some of the some of the, professional trustees are bonded that way. It's not required by law in most places that you do that, but it's something that can be done. But in order to do that, there must be enough, wealth there to justify it, see, and that costs money too.
[02:38:57] Unknown:
So it's not required by Another thing, Brent.
[02:39:03] Unknown:
Does it depend upon, like, setting up a trust? Does does it go by the laws of the state in which you are living, or is that is this something just in in general across the nation?
[02:39:17] Unknown:
No. It's a state. It's just it doesn't come under the constitution of The United States. It's substantive law. So it's a state law question just as is corporate law. State for state, where the where the trust is established and where the property is. That's an important consideration to determine what law applies. You can also choose the law you want to apply in case of a problem, in case you go into court. But it's cleanest to set a trust up in a particular state, choose the law of that state if you can. And, for example, if you went to one, go to Wyoming and have that, a self settled trust stuff, you'd, you'd have to have property in the state so you could open a bank account. That's what that's what they want. They want your money there. See, that's why they passed this law to encourage money to come into their banks and their state.
And Alaska has done that. North Dakota has apparently done that. New Mexico has done that. Nevada certainly has done that. Used to be Delaware was the place where people would go. But now they're going other places because of the laws. The legislatures have got on the ball and drawn money that way.
[02:40:31] Unknown:
Yeah. Alright. Somebody had a parakeet there, I noticed. Listen. I'm a go chase some lunch, Brent. Yeah. Always a pleasure. And, I look forward to next week, see what comes up especially next week, see what comes up between now and then. And, I hope you and, yours have a safe week, and, hopefully, we'll see you next Friday. Otherwise, guys, if, you can you can deal with Brent or myself tomorrow, we're opposite each other. Take your pick. And, other than that, we'll, we'll see you soon, buddy. Be safe out there. You're traveling again?
[02:41:07] Unknown:
Oh, yeah.
[02:41:09] Unknown:
Alright. Well, be careful. So Well, alright. Just be careful. Alright? Alright. Thank you, Roger. Alright. My guys and girls will see you soon. Thank you. It's a beautiful day here. I'm gonna go hustle some lunch. See you. Bye bye.
[02:41:32] Unknown:
What? Larry ran out of questions?
[02:41:37] Unknown:
No. No. I it just sounded like, Brent was saying it does depend upon, what state you want to, execute the trust in. I guess that will help bolster the security and prevent, you know, for example, in my hypothetical, the IRS from gaining access to that trust. I I guess that's what it sounds like. Is that correct, Brent?
[02:42:06] Unknown:
I think Brent muted himself. Force protecting force Larry.
[02:42:15] Unknown:
Brent, are you trying to talk? You're muted. No. He might have stepped away with Roger.
[02:42:32] Unknown:
Alright. Well, I guess we'll learn more in class.
[02:42:35] Unknown:
Thank you, Paul. Thank you.
[02:42:54] Unknown:
Anybody else got anything that they wanna talk about for a couple of minutes, or should we take the screen down? Paul?
[02:43:02] Unknown:
Yeah. This is Melody. I was wondering about this class that you're talking about. I haven't been on for a while.
[02:43:09] Unknown:
It's, Brent's trust class trust course. We are, we are doing, a a group and get a group discount with the, to a group discount to pay for it. The trust courses are typically, like, a $170. And Okay. When we get a group of people together, that is greatly reduced per person. So Okay.
[02:43:44] Unknown:
Per person? Okay. So so how many how many people do you need in the group?
[02:43:51] Unknown:
The more the merrier, really. I I I really don't have a get our name on the list? Send an email to me.
[02:44:03] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:44:04] Unknown:
And my email address is p g b papa golf bravo inner, [email protected]. And put the word trust in the subject line. And I will take your email, and I will move it off into the folder where I have all of the people that have expressed interest in there. Paul. Yeah.
[02:44:40] Unknown:
Thank you. Do you keep Paul, do you have an idea how many how many classes and how long are there classes, and are they gonna be recorded or something like that? I don't have well, I know for a fact they'll be recorded,
[02:44:53] Unknown:
and, I think, we'll be engaging with a class or a course that has already been done. It's already in the can. And what I'm thinking about doing is I'm thinking about, doing, the classes in Zoom and having playing the, that episode of Brent talking about the trust. And then we'll have, time for discussion afterward, and all of that, including the original recording and the discussion, will be recorded and will be made available to only those people that took part in the in the class. Alright?
[02:45:45] Unknown:
Could you get that email again? So how many how many classes you think there'll be? I have no idea.
[02:45:50] Unknown:
Like I said, I haven't gotten with Francine and worked out the details on exactly how many weeks or how many episodes it is. As soon as I know, I will let you know. It is [email protected]. [email protected]. Okay?
[02:46:21] Unknown:
One more time.
[02:46:23] Unknown:
Can you write it down for us, please?
[02:46:27] Unknown:
Can I write it down? Can you write it down? I can Please. I can put it in the chat. Yes,
[02:46:35] Unknown:
please.
[02:46:43] Unknown:
It's coming right now, and it's important to put the word trust in the subject line because I get a ton of email that mailbox needs something to make it stand out. There you go. It is in the chat.
[02:47:13] Unknown:
Hello. Hello. Regarding the number of classes that there will be, seems like, you know, knowing Brent, that remember he's he had that one class on the, whatever. And it was just going to be twelve classes, and then it went to three or four or five times that many classes. And I was just thinking that I if there the more people that sign up with this, great, thing that Paul is arranging for the trust class with rent, the more people, then there will be more questions, and then there might be extension of more classes because Brent sometimes takes longer, you know, to finish cover it. Well, certainly. Thing. Thank you. Bye.
[02:48:09] Unknown:
Certainly, questions come up, and they they just they remind Brent of a well, that's a really good question. Maybe I should cover that. And then he, may do a subsequent, subsequent class covering that. So yeah.
[02:48:37] Unknown:
Yeah. It's entirely likely. I hope I hope so.
[02:48:40] Unknown:
That would be good. Thank you. That just means that you guys have to, come up with really good questions.
[02:48:49] Unknown:
Paul?
[02:48:50] Unknown:
Yes. Is are you going to only take the people who have sent you a email?
[02:49:00] Unknown:
Because I asked you to put me on the list. So but I haven't sent you an email. I sent you an email
[02:49:07] Unknown:
and myself an email with the word trust in the subject line. So when it hit my inbox, I put you in that folder. I took care of it. Remember that was that question you asked me. You got an email that didn't that said trust in the subject line, but it didn't have anything in the message, and it was confusing. That was me sending myself a reminder to put you on the list.
[02:49:32] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you. Alright.
[02:49:35] Unknown:
Just making sure. Just making sure. Uh-huh.
[02:49:38] Unknown:
Absolutely. No problem.
[02:49:40] Unknown:
This is gonna be interesting because I'm getting conflicting information, so that'd be neat.
[02:49:49] Unknown:
Oh, okay. Alright. If you know what I'm Yeah. Well alright. Always we certainly don't want that, do we? Do you have the date already set up? The date? No. So the No. We don't we don't have the date or the day of the week set up yet. This is there's a lot of moving parts to this. I wouldn't expect it to start until, sooner than the first week in July. That's that's what I'm hoping for.
[02:50:31] Unknown:
Okay. Alright?
[02:50:32] Unknown:
That if you're interested in it, send an email to [email protected] with the word trust in the subject line. And I will, I will put you in the folder, of people. And then once all of the details have been hashed out and everything's worked out, the way it's gonna be, I will send a, group email to everybody that's expressed interest explaining the details, the costs, and all that happy stuff. Right?
[02:51:11] Unknown:
And to the the the means of payment, the way to pay also?
[02:51:17] Unknown:
But yeah. Yeah. There's there's any number of ways you you can pay. You can either, you know, throw a little cash inside of, aluminum foil in an envelope, mail it to me. The I'm just going to, I'm gonna earmark the money to pay for the course, and then people can just reimburse me. Alright? So, or I have, Cash App, I have Venmo. We could use those too. Whatever. Okay. For that matter, there is also a GoFundMe. Oh, there's any number of ways?
[02:52:08] Unknown:
Oh, could you put me on the list, Bruce?
[02:52:12] Unknown:
Yes. I can do that.
[02:52:15] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you.
[02:52:20] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:52:21] Unknown:
I got this new phone, and it's smarter than I am. That's alright. You know, I resemble that remark.
[02:52:27] Unknown:
My my phone irritates me. My phone doesn't have as much memory as I have. However, I think it, I think it it manages it better because it can remember things that I can't.
[02:52:47] Unknown:
So I understand. But this thing here is so complicated. I think it uses AI on me, and I don't know it. And I'm trying to find something, and I think AI comes on and appears what I'm trying to do. It's an AT and T.
[02:53:07] Unknown:
It's Festus b h and a number? Yep. Okay. Yep. Alright. I'm just gonna I'm gonna send myself an email with trust in the certified line. Thank you.
[02:53:20] Unknown:
Thank you. Alright. I'll pay you later. How about that?
[02:53:24] Unknown:
Yes. I would gladly pay you Tuesday for a trust course today.
[02:53:29] Unknown:
Okay. I have a question.
[02:53:31] Unknown:
Yeah. Samuel?
[02:53:34] Unknown:
Yeah. You know, I'm not a big fan of trusts, and I'm just wondering, as nationals or state citizens, non fourteenth amendment subjects, why shouldn't be we be able to create our own paperwork saying what will we want done in all these matters?
[02:53:58] Unknown:
What? You mean like a living will?
[02:54:03] Unknown:
Well, there's all kinds of ways to protect land. Like, I'm working on my land patent, Delodium. That would be for the land. Right? And as a national, I should be able to own that because I'm no longer property, etcetera, in in different regards, vehicle, etcetera. You know? But, you you see how complicated I mean, I looked at them in, probably around 1990. I looked at trusts, and what I didn't like about them is I didn't understand them. And now knowing they're all in equity, that bothers me too. And if you don't understand something, then you're taking the word of somebody that this is how to protect things like so personal as property and your wishes to your progeny, etcetera.
I mean, it just seems like if we truly believed in the state citizen status and try to prefer perfect that rather than you you use something that's relatively new and needs trust. He talks about this ancient history. Well, jeez, I've never heard of it before. I'm intrigued by history, But really, when we see these in The United States for the first time, they're really like the Rockefeller, Carnegie trusts for the Robert Barrons to protect their assets. And I just don't I don't know. I I just still have problem with it all. I like what Mark has said about the subject. And if I was gonna do a trust, I I guess I would trust Mark to do it for me. But that still puts me aside truly understanding it, and I don't quite understand them.
Go ahead.
[02:56:06] Unknown:
Hi. How are you guys? It's me, Julie. Yeah. I think Mark would definitely disagree with Brent on some key points, because Mark teaches you that you can be the grantor and the trustee of an irrevocable trust, and you can actually be the beneficiary of those trusts. If you set up an LLC and you are the solar solo owner of that LLC, but the LLC is the beneficiary. But indirectly, you are because you're the solo owner of that LLC. So, a lot of people he's he's basically inferring that, you really can't, be the controller over the assets in that trust, which, my Mark has cited several cases that went to court where the plaintiff was trying to get access to those assets and lost.
There are six key elements to have a successful trust set up. And as long as you have those successful key elements set up in an irrevocable trust, it's base basically foolproof from a lawsuit and a legal standpoint, and that would include the IRS getting ahold of those assets. Yeah, you're if you are everybody is, correct on if you get a lawsuit and then you put your assets into a trust. Yeah. There that's a big problem. That's,
[02:57:48] Unknown:
that Fraudulent conveyance.
[02:57:50] Unknown:
Yeah. Fraudulent conveyance. And, also, the five year look back back period, my understanding is for Medicare, Medicaid, and, long term care where those entities want your assets. As long as you have put your assets into a trust before you go for long long term care or apply for Medicare or Medicaid, those assets are not touchable, and cannot be included in the determination of whether you are eligible for those programs or not. So I don't know. I'm not one of these people, even if you have a surety bond that wants people controlling and making decisions for your assets and what you owe.
I think that it's better to set up an irrevocable trust where you are the person that should be able to be trusted when it comes to these. And you can have trust provisions just because you have an irrevocable trust. Yeah. You cannot revoke that trust, but all you do to set up an irrevocable trust is put an asset in it. You could put a $5 Kmart blue light special watch in that irrevocable trust on Schedule A and leave that watch in that trust and that trust is fully funded. And then you can have other provisions, in that trust that allow you to, for example, sell assets, acquire assets, make loans, pay credit cards and all sorts of things as long as it's clearly spelled out.
And the trust trust provisions on what a trustee can and cannot do, and as long as it's legal within the scope of the law, you pretty much can do anything and everything, in an irrevocable trust. Yeah, you can't, dissolve the irrevocable trust. But at the end of the day, if you just put a $5 Kmart blue light special watch in it, that as a grantor, that trust is completely funded. So I don't know. I get I understand where you're coming from regarding, you know, God's laws and everything, but we live in such a litigious society right now that,
[03:00:12] Unknown:
Well, the other thing that Brent says that I I have trouble with is where is this mentioned in the bible? I mean, we're supposed to be good stewards of and to give our families, etcetera. But I don't think there's anything that's biblical about trust other than you were supposed to trust in God. I mean I I get that, but we live everyone's trying to get everyone's assets these days and everybody's very litigious. Somebody falls on their property. Julie, if we truly believe in the national status, we should be working on how to perfect that. Julie, if we truly believe in part of.
That's my point. And using their stuff, their trusts, their limited liability corporations, etcetera, is sort of serving two masters to me. That's
[03:00:58] Unknown:
that's all. I get it. I get where you're coming from, and I understand you a 100%. Like I said, if that's something that doesn't resonate with you, then definitely don't do it. But
[03:01:09] Unknown:
I think Well, like I said, if I were to make that decision, I would probably go with Mark. Now the other thing I wanna say about Mark is he believes in the state citizenship, where I think it's very dubious about what press beliefs in that regard are because I don't think he does. And I've been around here a lot longer than most, and that's pretty much been something we grilled him on early when Daryl and stuff were still around here. He and I and other people, Chris, tried to you know? And he he would demur around it. So, obviously, he's not all bad for it.
[03:01:46] Unknown:
You know what? There's a lot of things that people don't agree on. A lot Mark doesn't agree on the all cast name, and I have evidence showing that it does 100% exist. I actually have a code of federal regulation showing that that all caps name exists. So, you know, we know that Congress doesn't make laws just out of the blue. And so we just have to go with what we believe. And, if we disagree with somebody else, then we can just agree to disagree and dismiss what they what their beliefs are and go with our own because because we're not all gonna be in agreement with everything all the time, unfortunately.
[03:02:24] Unknown:
Right. Well, of course, the all caps name thing that's just Hold on one second, Samuel. Of course, the all all caps name exists. The all caps name is used on the entity that they created, he who creates, owns, and controls. And where your hook of jurisdiction is is if you stand up there and you raise your right hand and solemnly swear that that is you
[03:02:46] Unknown:
when they call out their name. About. No. No. I'm talking point of order. Just heard someone mentioned limited liability corporation. It's limited liability company, and the beauty of it is you don't have a corporation. None of the headaches of a corporation, but all the benefits.
[03:03:01] Unknown:
It's still a man made entity that is gonna be that's gonna be decided in their courts. A lot of garbage. Trust. Uh-huh. If you got it or the IRS pray pray pray god that doesn't happen to you, but we're talking about where these things get adjudicated. We don't want to be in these courts, yet we create systems that end up being adjudicated in those courts. I mean Right. That's just wrong to me. I'm trying to get out of Babylon, and I know it's not easy in these trusts. You know, they're they're they're very, accepted and seem to have a lot of protection for people. And and I I don't, you know, mind anybody else doing it. All that I'm bringing up is if we're gonna truly be nationals, I don't think we can really go there. I don't know. I mean, that's that's how I look at it.
[03:04:01] Unknown:
Yeah. May I? Yeah. Addressing the, the trust, and I'm surprised that Brent didn't mention this, but like you say, he's the statutory guy and he wants a statutory trust. But under the common law, a trust is just a simple contract. That's all it is. It's a contract. We have our Yep. Absolutely. Contract. Under the constitution, we have a right. Yep. So why can't we just claim that the, the common law is the law that's gonna, adjudicate any
[03:04:34] Unknown:
disagreement? You don't need to That's you don't need to get up. We should be able to make up our own documents in in all these regard.
[03:04:42] Unknown:
You have.
[03:04:43] Unknown:
Trust. That's what Mark treats that's what Mark teaches you to do. It's a private family trust, which, under the Saint Germain Act does not trigger any due on sale clauses. If you put a house into it, you don't get an IRS number. You don't register it and get an IRS number unless you want it for banking purposes only because the bank is gonna need a number from the IRS, and there's a way to register it on the IRS website for banking purposes only. So let's say you wanna put money into that, trust that has your house and you wanna be able to pay the property tax taxes and your HOA fees and your homeowners insurance directly through that trust bank account, you can do that. But there's other ways to do it where you don't register it with the IRS and you can still make the payments, on those properties if you have if you own it outright and there's no mortgage on it where you can still make it from another account.
So you know, there's ways around all of these things. The trust documents just need to specify these things, and that's it. And it's a private family trust, and you don't have to register it. And you you just take the terms on what you want, for that property.
[03:06:07] Unknown:
For some reason, all trusts are in equity and not in common law. I think once you say it's a common law trust, you're actually talking about something that I could wrap my head around because but calling it a trust, I think, is a mistake. It's just like calling yourself a resident.
[03:06:24] Unknown:
I think the problem right now is that the courts that we have are so lawless that they're not recognizing common law right now. My understanding is that they're just not recognizing it. The same thing with a bill of exchange. We know that, bill of exchange is legal tender, but they're not recognizing it because we have just utter lawlessness here. And so it's just like the, birth certificate trust that we have. We have an actual birth certificate trust called the Legacy Treasury account, and we are the grantors, and we are the beneficiaries of those. I've got all the codes and regulations on how they set them up.
[03:07:10] Unknown:
Technically, Julie, it it they're not the lawless ones when we're agreeing with them. If we use their stuff to do that we're we're accepting a benefit, and then we've got the duty.
[03:07:25] Unknown:
Right. So Alright. But then saying I I just need to make up
[03:07:30] Unknown:
our own documentation and verbiage for everything that we do. Right. Right. And in my particular case, I'm always trying to involve my creator in it because that's the ultimate owner of everything.
[03:07:45] Unknown:
I agree. Then that's what the creator's been doing for me. It's directing me to all of this research. I ask the creator every day, I mean, I would like to learn this. If you're okay with that, can you please direct me to the materials on how to how to do this? And so I'm with you on that. And you can create your own that's the beauty of the common law trust. You can create your own private trust. That's what all of the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds have, are their own private trust. And you actually can be in control of those trusts where you don't own anything, the trust owns it, but you control it. And Brent disagrees with that. You can't have control over it. He's saying you can pierce that. Not according to Mark, you can't as long as you have the six key elements to set up these trusts, They are not it's irrevocable trust. They're not pierceable. And you can actually have a revocable trust inside an irrevocable trust, which Mark teaches you how to do.
[03:08:50] Unknown:
Yeah. How can you like, in the land situation, we used to we used to all be allodial owners. Now they they've taken that away. Right. But you didn't need a trust to protect your land. And if it was your will to pass it on to your heir, there was no probate, etcetera. This is all new stuff that they've laid on us, and now they give us they give us, okay, options. You can take a trust and say that, okay. Now I can protect it. You know? I mean, it's still their stuff, and I I don't know. I just
[03:09:27] Unknown:
Well, unfortunately, we're under a, we don't have money. All we have is currency, fiat currency backed by our labor. Unfortunately, these globalists, before you and I were ever born, rolled out all this evil crap, and were the recipients of it. And so, yeah, being a national is one way to get out of this system. But, you know, if they're going to roll out these digital central bank digital currencies and digital IDs, it's not going to matter if you're a national anymore because you're going to be subject to their digital system regardless of what realm you put yourself in.
I mean, that's the agenda for the new world order and the great reset. It's taking place right now.
[03:10:13] Unknown:
Well, I'm Julie, what I'm trying to do is put myself under the protection of my creator. That's what I'm trying to do. Yeah. So, that's the ultimate, authority and the one who has the last say. And I think if we geared our documentation towards that and our state status instead of the feudal slave status, we could begin to change a lot of this. But in this group, I just don't see people I mean, I've got countless hours in trying to do the land patent, and right now, it's all it's all gonna hinge on a quick claim deed, which is a quick claim from me to me. Okay? Right. But the only way I can enter in my elodium and patent document, I have to attach it to the quick claim.
It's the only way I can get my affidavit in in to the the recorder's office is I have to attach it to the quitclaim. Now it's gonna be God's will whether they accept it or not because those documents are gonna get read by county attorneys.
[03:11:24] Unknown:
So I can tell you. The chances of those going through and getting recorded are gonna be in God's hands, not mine. There's there's too many court cases that say that's all through ego, a deed from yourself to yourself. It's just not that's not gonna work. I can tell you that. I'm from very familiar with land patents, and I've seen so many cases where people try to do that and it just fails. This is just gonna fail.
[03:11:51] Unknown:
What do you mean you can't quit claim yourself from your old citizen to the national status or the state status? The a feudal slave to Not the court. It's a legal status. It's two different league. Well, yeah, this this stuff shouldn't be in the courts. That's my point.
[03:12:08] Unknown:
Right. I agree with you there, but where else you're gonna go?
[03:12:17] Unknown:
That's where the abatements come in. Nobody try not not very many people here of trying the abatement process either, which would attack their procedure. Their procedure is unlawful.
[03:12:30] Unknown:
The abatement process doesn't work anymore. They have created all the lawless laws that they're not accepting, acceptance for value or abatements or, any of that stuff anymore. Unfortunately, you've gotta go and you've gotta get access to your
[03:12:47] Unknown:
Julie, a lot of this stuff is based on the fact, I believe, and this is a belief too, that the people that are bringing this stuff forward and not successful with it are not of the state status. They're feudal slaves. The courts know that, So they don't have that authority.
[03:13:06] Unknown:
The the way you have to do it now, because they have had people successfully do this in the past, and they've taken all of our CUSIP numbers, our birth certificate numbers that were turned into bank notes. They've basically taken all those, and they've merged them all together into one master account. And you've gotta go, and you've got you've gotta handle this with the IRS, which is the accountant, and you've got you've got to ask for your offset. So there's file there's things that need to be filed with the IRS in order to get access to your trust number 62, which is in Puerto Rico, which is under Title 31 USC thirteen twenty one, Section 62, which is Trust Number 62 for the Internal Revenue Services, which is where our legacy trust our legacy account is.
And it's sitting down in Puerto Rico for a reason because it's very difficult to get access to that down there when it's in a US territory. But, like you've been talking about for a long time, a lot of the stuff was revealed in the fruit from the poisonous tree with Melvin Stamper. They just changed it around after he wrote that book.
[03:14:29] Unknown:
Yeah. The so far, the the county has looked at my quick claim deed, and the the people in the recorder's office are telling me how to make it work more than giving me trouble about but they are probably still, if unless I get real lucky, gonna have the county attorneys read it. Now the girls at the desk are not don't have any problem with the the grantor and the grantee being the same, but they wanted their little box put on it for the exemption for non it's not a taxable event that has to go on and things like that. They wanted to mention that it's in an unincorporated area of the county, you know, things like that.
They're actually being quite helpful. So I may have a situation where we have people, and they they are allowing land patents in from what I can tell, but they can't be submitted as a land patent. They have to be attached to something that they will accept, which in I've chose a quitclaim deed because I, I've been working on my quitclaim deed for quite some time and how that's worded. And it also says what land is, points that out, etcetera. It's it's a pretty complicated one page document. Anyways, I'll I'll pray for me that I get it done because, this is how we, I think, used to protect what we had. And, you know, prior to to to losing Swift versus Tyson, we could move in and out of contract, of and the protections of the constitution at will.
Now with the commerce clause and how they've sewn all that up and and making us all DC citizens, we're under a contract with them in so many different ways, and and and and starting to restitute those things is I think it's our obligation as followers of this
[03:16:55] Unknown:
of Roger and what Yeah. Roger has given us. So I think if you wanna understand what you wanna what to do for your remedy, you can look at the case United States versus Lopez where the government admitted that they're operating under the commerce clause and the contract clause. That's how they get out from under the constitution. Everything the government does is under the commerce clause. Everything is contract and everything is commerce. There is no money. It's a book entry system, and that's how you wanna understand that so that you know what to do for your remedy.
[03:17:34] Unknown:
Yeah. And that name is your matrix name that they've created for you because they can't deal with the flesh and blood.
[03:17:41] Unknown:
Yep.
[03:17:42] Unknown:
And it's also in the title oh, what is it? Title 46 where, you know, you're a vessel of The United States. Yep. And Rogers says we're not under Admiralsy. Well, you know, I mean, you don't use upper and lower case on ship names either.
[03:18:00] Unknown:
So what you have to do is we have these indenture trustees, and they're the attorney general. So we have to give the indentured trustee an instrument to do the set off if you wanna do it properly. And the easiest way now is to use the IRS because if you wanna use the courts and the banks and the government agencies, they do not want to accept any type of negotiable instruments from you, even though they're committing commercial fraud, and they are actually obligated to take it. They have now gone behind our backs, and they have written policies so strongly against our ability to do it, that it's not worth the time to do this and, try to do any sort of law with them because you end up litigating, getting in court with them. And it's, just easier and faster to go to the IRS and get it handled through their ledger, they owe us a set off.
So we're the creditors and the government is the debtor.
[03:19:07] Unknown:
Well, the fourteenth amendment says you you you can't, say anything about the debt. You have no,
[03:19:13] Unknown:
you know Well, we're not part of the fourteenth amendment anymore, so we can.
[03:19:19] Unknown:
I think that point needs to be made when we're talking to them. Yep.
[03:19:27] Unknown:
So anyway, all of our government obligations are backed by the labor of the estate holders, I e, basically, the credit of the nation. And it represents a mortgage on all the homes and all the property of the people of the nation. And that was in senate document number 43 of the seventy third congress first session, congressional record, 03/09/1933 on HR fourteen ninety one, page 83. The obligations of The United States shall be receivable for all public dues. And all banking business has been suspended, by presidential emergency under the Emergency Banking Relief Act of 03/09/1933 that Roger discusses all the time.
So basically, book entry credit is an acceptable form of business transaction within the borders of The United States. We just need to ask for a set off of our debts, which gets done through the IRS, which now we have to do down in Puerto Rico because they're trying to hide it from us.
[03:21:11] Unknown:
What do we do when they do away with the IRS?
[03:21:14] Unknown:
They're doing away with the very agency that is at our disposal to do this. They're doing that on purpose. They're doing they're doing that on purpose, Paul. We're going to a new carbon footprint. It's just so evil right now. I can't even see straight. So you got, you got 90% of the world's central banks that are rolling out CBDCs, programmable digital currencies that will operate as fiat currencies and they will be controlled and issued by the central banks. They're going to monitor every single transaction obliterating all of your privacy and on anonymity.
And they can be programmed to work or not work depending on the nature of your transaction and what you can purchase with it, and it will decide what transactions will or will not go through under the guise of quote unquote saving the planet, otherwise known as your carbon footprint.
[03:22:21] Unknown:
Yeah. Credit cards were the precursor to all of this Mhmm. Where, you you know, I mean, I've never used them or liked them. And they're they're just us saying, well, we're okay with this piece of plastic that means absolutely nothing, and can track every transaction you make. So it's already been done. Most people use their credit cards, and that's all they use. Yep.
[03:22:50] Unknown:
I mean, the only thing we can do is try to get a hold of our get a hold of our senators locally here, locally in your area and get a group of people together, say no. It doesn't matter. I mean, Roger disagrees with me. The Federal Reserve system is totally different from a central bank. It's not the same thing. They were set up totally differently. And that's why Trump came out and said, I will never allow CBDC in The United States. We don't have central banks. We have Federal Reserve Bank. And he just lied to us because he's rolling out stablecoins.
Stablecoins are the same thing. They're digital programmable currencies with centralized control to them. So what we're going through right now is the financial world war. Any financial reset over the past, I don't know how many hundreds of years has always been preceded by wars.
[03:23:52] Unknown:
Well, the force turning is is putting it right around 02/1930. I mean, we're already in it, but Yeah. That's gonna be the end. Yep. It's gonna be the
[03:24:02] Unknown:
accumulation of of World War three. Yep. I mean, we have been the center of the world's financial system for so many years. Before us was the British. Before the British were the Dutch, and this is just rinse and repeat. Recycle, recycle, recycle.
[03:24:21] Unknown:
Yeah. It was the old New York Dutch that were behind the Knights of the Golden Circle. From from North America, they created the animosity in the South and the armaments to get us into that civil war.
[03:24:38] Unknown:
Yep.
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Which was the end of our freedoms.
[03:24:45] Unknown:
So, basically, what's happening here is the central banks are gonna be getting rid of the treasuries. And, that's what you have around the world going on right now. We have a new transition rolling out, and I don't know. We don't know when all this is gonna happen. So I say right now, if you can get a hold of any of your legacy estate, a legacy trust, SUSKV, birth certificate, whatever you wanna call it. They use it's all the same thing. You know? We don't we we why not try?
[03:25:23] Unknown:
Yeah. And it the gentleman who talked about the land patents, I really don't put a lot of value on the land patent. It particularly I think you're you're you're not really serious about your property if you don't have a clear chain of title. But the main thing in my document is is the elodium and through Jesus Christ, and that's how I'm attacking the whole particular problem. If you read the book of the hundreds, they're not high on the land patents. They also see that as a, a contrivance to a certain extent. I'm probably a little more optimistic than they are about what their statements are in there about it, And it's part of my documentation, but it is part of the documentation.
The elodium is even mentioned first, and it go I go through all that before I go to the land patent.
[03:26:21] Unknown:
Yep. Hey. Hey, Samuel. Are you saying that you do not for for euro elodium, you do not have to research all the original owners of your land?
[03:26:35] Unknown:
No. I think it's very good that you do that. You should have it it's called a chain of title or chain of custody of what happened to that land over time so that you can prove. And that's basically what a title company is, but they only go back usually a generation or two to say it's okay because they figured somebody else looked at over it, the generations before them. So they don't do the full chain, but what you really wanna have if you want to be serious about the land is you have full chain of title from the land patent all the way to yourself. That's that's, I think, important so that you can prove that you can take ownership of it.
[03:27:19] Unknown:
Yeah. So do you think you will submit your do you think you will submit your Allodium within the year?
[03:27:30] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm I'm working on it. It it's, it's difficult for me because I don't have a computer, and I used to have a legal secretary. I don't have that anymore. I used to be able to just dictate to her, and she would get it down for me. And then I would review it and then have her make changes, and all this stuff is sort of gone by the wayside. I'd I'd I've, I've got a friend helping me right now, and so we have to be able to schedule when both our times work for that. And in the meantime, I used the time to just to go over it and read it. I read it over and over again. I scrutinize every word, all the punctuation as well as the capitalization, etcetera.
And if nothing else, I'm getting a good exercise in, what I think can work, you know, and and and why it would work. Now it's still up to the county attorney who's gonna read this thing. If unless I can get if I can go directly to the recorder, and that's my gonna be my first and if I can get a friend to go with me who helped get her elected, and I can get her to file this thing without them even looking at it, and I know she's a religious woman. If she rereads it, I think she's gonna be moved by the document. So
[03:28:56] Unknown:
Good. Thank you.
[03:29:18] Unknown:
And if they don't file it, then I don't know what I'm gonna do. Maybe run it in the newspaper. Something like that. And then start when I send my notices out, it'll all go with my notice package to, like, the AG and the district attorney, sheriff's office, etcetera. But, what a pain in the butt. I hate this stuff. Not my ball of wax. You know?
[03:29:47] Unknown:
I I think you're better off
[03:29:49] Unknown:
skipping the recording in in the county because the county is actually private. I think you're better off just bringing it in the public record.
[03:29:59] Unknown:
Well, I want the county to I want I want sort of thinking about having the its county's important to the extent is because at some point, I'm gonna claim I'm gonna try to claim this that, okay. I'm no longer the color of anything. My status, my name, I'm gonna try to divorce all my ties with, the the color of a a sorority that they believe that they have over me. And then I'm gonna ask that because of this, I don't think they have any reason to have me on the tax rolls. So that's also a county issue. And for that reason, I would love to get it into the county record as well.
[03:30:48] Unknown:
Okay. Well, I can help you with all that stuff because I've already been through through it. I studied land patents and property tax for the last twenty years.
[03:30:58] Unknown:
Have you gotten off property roles?
[03:31:02] Unknown:
No. Yeah.
[03:31:04] Unknown:
But I know what the problems are. I know exactly what what the problems are that you're gonna run into.
[03:31:11] Unknown:
Well, I think one of the main problems is is that we don't assert ourselves as state citizens. The patriot movement, which I've been part of for probably fifty years, is full of good good people with good arguments that didn't realize that they were feudal property and had volunteered into that and never removed it. Didn't mean their arguments weren't correct. They just weren't being recognized.
[03:31:47] Unknown:
Have you asked? Yep. I think honestly that, you need to revoke and reinvest your trust. You need to take back your bond, and collapse it. And that's how you take your property back. And so if you look at title 26, United States code six seventy one through six seventy seven, but six seventy six is where you have the power to revoke. It says that you, the grantor, shall be treated as the owner of any portion of a trust and all of our securities are in that trust. And you the grant you're the grantor. You have the right to revoke and re vest that trust at any time. There are certain documents that have to be filed. And first, you have to start out out with your affidavit of identity theft with the IRS, which is form 14,035.
And you make your complaint with the Federal Trade Commission claiming identity theft.
[03:33:01] Unknown:
And that's how It's easier than all that. I I'm hoping it's easier than all that because I don't really quite wanna get into all of that. I've already spent way too much time on this stuff as far as I'm concerned.
[03:33:11] Unknown:
I know. But they own all your property right now. They own everything. They own you and all your property and everything you've acquired, through your QSIP and your birth certificate trust. And if you don't revoke it, I don't understand how you think you're going to take back any of the title to anything you own, including your allodial
[03:33:30] Unknown:
title, your Like I said, I hope it's simpler than that. And have you read Libros? I don't think it is. I don't think it is. Have you read Libros' declaration of independence?
[03:33:41] Unknown:
I have, but I don't think that that matters. I don't think all these declaration of independence accounts, work from the standpoint that we're bankrupt and that we were collateralized. Everything, our labor and all of our assets were collateralized against the debt. And we're we have securities. And so, all these government officials are just not doing nothing but their trustees over the trust. And all of our, securities have been put into this trust, and we have the right to revoke them. Once you revoke your securities, and we are nationals now, I think that is how we take back our property.
[03:34:23] Unknown:
I think that's what exactly what his declaration of independence is doing. It's revoking you out. It's expatriating you out of this system, and you're you're you're posting it in the paper of record for as many days as this makes it lawful. And then you're you're stating that you're out of that system.
[03:34:46] Unknown:
I don't know. We have I think we have to revoke our bid performance and payment bonds, and they have to they have engaged in willful fraud and concealment of our securities that got to turn them over to us or they're in violation of SCC rule 10 b five where you have standing to sue civilly and criminally because they're not they're not turning this over. We got to revoke it and reverse our own bond that they have created under our CUSIP number or have to collapse it. And by collapsing it, that's how you take your property back.
[03:35:31] Unknown:
Well, what he says in this thing goes back to the day before the fourteenth amendment, the Expatriation Act, and he says, it's short. I'll read it. Okay? I I think this is what you're getting at, and I think this is a lot simpler and I and more understandable for me anyway. Says I, John or Jane Doe, in the name of almighty creator, by my declaration of independence, pendants, solemnly publish and declare my right to expatriate absolute my resident trust to the foreign jurisdiction known as the Municipal Corporation of the District of Columbia, a democracy, and return to the Republic.
Any and all past and present political ties implied by operational of law or otherwise entrust with the democracy is hereby dissolved. I, John, or Jane Doe, have full power to contract, establish commerce as guaranteed by the full 10 amendments to the bill of rights to the constitution of The United States Of America, every public. That's signed and done and notarized and put in the paper.
[03:36:43] Unknown:
Yeah. But I don't think that is that I don't think that's the remedy. Every single statutory court and agency in The United States, has acquired your birth certificate, res, as a secured property for their bid performance and payment bonds, which are evidenced by your CUSIP. And they didn't have the authority to commit identity theft with your estate trust. They're in they're in violation of title 26 US code paragraph seventy two zero one, which is fraud and false statement statements in violation of 20 title 26 US code section 7,206 and securities fraud in violation of SEC rule, 10 b five.
So what we need to do
[03:37:40] Unknown:
is we need to revoke this and take this back and take our property back. That's what he's talking about, Julia, your resin trust to a foreign jurisdiction. He's saying it right there. Yeah. I mean, I think he's got it covered in a paragraph. And, he he says all you have to do is publish that in the local paper of record. And then if you don't get back into commerce by having a, interest bearing bank account and if you don't pay bills outside of the state lines, with anything other than money orders, you should be okay.
I like the simplicity of that. What you're talking about is above my pay grade.
[03:38:30] Unknown:
But I think he covers what you're getting at. I I truly do. But you think it has to be done through the IRS because the IRS does the accounting and the set off, and we're entitled to set off set off since we're the creditors.
[03:38:44] Unknown:
And they're the debtors that apply to the IRS for thirty years.
[03:38:49] Unknown:
I know. But there you can do this by filing certain I don't want anything to do with them, please. Them.
[03:38:58] Unknown:
Sorry. And for for those who wanna know where that declaration is, it's on page 49 of Bost's, USA, the republic, the house that nobody lives in. And I'm pretty sure that's posted on the, on the site on the on the website. Right, Paul? But, yeah, you get that notarized. You publish it in the paper. I mean, that's a pretty clear statement of what your intentions are. And he's basically Gross doesn't use the national status, but it throughout the document, he's talking about not being a fourteenth amendment citizen. So this is his way of saying he's a state citizen or a somebody not involved in the res or that he's no longer a res in that trust, which is a piece of property.
Anyway Comment? Yeah. Please.
[03:40:22] Unknown:
If you're accused of a crime, you can walk into court and declare yourself not guilty. How far is that gonna go?
[03:40:44] Unknown:
I don't I don't get if that's a question or a statement or
[03:40:49] Unknown:
It was just a comment.
[03:40:54] Unknown:
Well, these courts, you know, they all the states have gone into this, in in the thirties as well, the the federal rules. It's all been homogenized. And our our common law are should be if it if if you really look at the old tradition of common law, this is something that is done in and accepted in the community you live in, not some faraway place. It's what the customs were in that community, and that was pretty much it.
[03:41:40] Unknown:
And it's all about territorial jurisdiction. You know? You can choose to enter the territory of DC and work in their jurisdiction if you are, remove yourself from that jurisdiction, fight in their courts, etcetera, etcetera, or you can choose be without them.
[03:41:57] Unknown:
Yeah. It's another one of those very deceptive terms. Brost gets in in his piece territory. I mean, there's more than one, and it's also a very deceptive term that they use to their advantage over us.
[03:42:27] Unknown:
Yeah. I forget. Was that in the chart that he had there? We talked about territory. I'm trying to remember.
[03:42:36] Unknown:
Yeah. He his charts are are like sort of a quick review of what he goes through in in the document, and then he'll present a chart that sort of sums it all up. Yeah. But he gets into more depth in if you read the whole thing. But the charts are good just to get an idea of where he's coming from. All you have to do is get that piece and look at the I think he's got about four or five charts in there.
[03:43:03] Unknown:
Yeah. Which
[03:43:04] Unknown:
are nice. I like them.
[03:43:06] Unknown:
What I like about, you know, the work that I've been studying with regard to trust with, if you if there's been an interest generated, say, let's say, you know, back to the birth certificate point that, The United States, by virtue of the consideration that they gave the states to record the live the event, they didn't record people. They recorded events. But then they use that, to create whatever else they want, driver's licenses, other licensing, all the even the passport, off of that descriptor at information by the informant.
So what what you could do is you could restate. You could notate the trust. And the way that they've broken it down with the work that, you know, was recorded at the county level would be to, just break the trust up by, signing use of refractory interest, assigning reversionary interests, and, you know, making this making the state in essence. So you own nothing. You make the state responsible for all the profits and the liabilities, and you're out of commerce. So you can restate trusts, and and that's kinda how they were doing it, which I thought was interesting. And, yes, you're using the law. You're using equity.
But what does it say? The law follows equity?
[03:44:31] Unknown:
So
[03:44:34] Unknown:
Well, it it should be equity follows law. I'm sorry. Correct. Because in the old days, they used to have separate courts. They used to the main matter was was done in in in in in in the common law, which is very strict. And then if they felt that that wasn't dealing with the details to the nth degree, they could allow equity in as a remedy to try to be a little more fair about the strictness of the common law. So it was a it was a good balance when they did that. But what they did, like, if you read somebody like Roscoe Pound, he was a judge and he and he grew up from the end of the civil war all the way up into the twentieth century and and he he was pro more equity but what he saw in the end and he states in the end equity became more inflexible than the common law itself.
And yet we call it equity, you know. Mhmm. Yeah. And it it it's it's got us all enslaved is what it has. And that's it's one of the things. Trusts are all inequity. It it's it's like my land patent says, you know, this document suffers no disabilities inequity. There are disabilities inequity. And the biggest disability I see is that's the kind of court you're gonna be adjudicated in, and you don't wanna be there, especially as state citizens. I mean, basically, the federal government took the stance that that the the bill of rights, that was for the states, had nothing to do with the federal government. Right?
Well, the the federal government forgets to tell you, well, they they are the states, yet they still deny it. You know? Well, they they're just going along with what they agreed is that it doesn't mean anything to them. So pretty much what we've got.
[03:46:52] Unknown:
Right. The states are state ofs are just franchises of the territory using you you know, which they they basically continued to Northwest ordinance and kinda laid even though the organic 13 colony state is there. The feds just especially by operation of the fourteenth in Reconstruction, they just solidified the Northwest ordinance still overall that so they could be, like, the governor of the state. So and then they they see on the current carry currency letter, they just you know? Or, actually, I'm not sure if it was his. You know? It wasn't his quote, but it was a quote, oh, it's a quote by Andrew Johnson in his override of of the, in his veto of the Reconstruction Act. He says, hey. You're just basically making mistakes
[03:47:45] Unknown:
dependent on the federal monies. You know? Yeah. The Prost makes the the whole point is the fourteenth amendment trust. It's a trust of the of of the District Of Columbia, which is called a democracy. It Correct. You know? I mean, trust law to me is not to be trusted, so to speak. But I don't know. You know? I mean, I can see why people wanna protect themselves too, and they don't wanna go through the manifestations I'm going through to try to do it another way. It it would be a lot easier for me to just to do a do a trust,
[03:48:36] Unknown:
but I don't know. Well, I finally got my, burner phone, so I'm gonna get on to get on to forget what the name, not Twitter, but the other one, Telegram, and see where these documents if they've if they've changed them at all. But the idea they were going for was to actually make the persona of the birth certificate person into a religious, a religious entity that could do God's work on earth. So you're kinda flipping there, you know, you're flipping there, whatever, satanic version of the deal is, and you're flipping it, and you're putting you know, you're kind of restoring the book of Job. Hey, Joe. You know? Say, you got some power here, but at the end of the day, I'm gonna give triple triple back to, my servant, you know.
And, yeah, there's gonna be some tests for him, but he's not gonna curse God, you know. And I think there's there's a metaphor there for us. You know, looking at the birth certificate as a kind of Christ, a redemptive, metaphor and given us access to the father to the father on earth, which would be the treasury, you know, which is the treasury.
[03:49:49] Unknown:
Yeah. What, Telegram channel are you gonna get on?
[03:49:56] Unknown:
Law I think it's called law of Boris. That's that's the last ones that I What is that? It's called. What? It was called law of Boris. I don't know if it was there. Oh. Everything on the rumble was private stash, but it was rep it was referencing law of forest.
[03:50:14] Unknown:
So on top I think I'm already on that.
[03:50:18] Unknown:
Yeah. Is it still active? Or
[03:50:24] Unknown:
Let's see here. I think the last post was April eighteenth of this year.
[03:50:42] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. Because that they had a lot of things that they were submitting in the courts and around, you know, restatement of trust and using the using the, the religious
[03:50:58] Unknown:
amendment as well. Right. They've got a lot of files on here. They've got a, George, they've got a lot of files on here about the, role of the birth certificate and stuff like that. We talked about how the birth certificates have been pledged by the nation to the IMF in exchange for a drawing. Right? When they talk about how the IMF is the US Treasury, it's just one of the same. But my understanding is we need to use the IRS to revoke our securities that the IRS is fraudulently creating a ten ninety nine a form when we submit our taxes and stealing our property.
And if you go and look at the, ten ninety nine form, ten ninety nine a form, it says acquisition of secured property. So when you file a tax return, the IRS is creating a ten ninety nine a, and stealing your property unlawfully.
[03:52:04] Unknown:
The the book of the 100 says we should get a we should forget about our birth certificates and be using our baptismal certificate, which I just did get a copy of about a month ago. Didn't have one, so I had to go back to my old parish and get them to generate me a a replacement.
[03:52:23] Unknown:
Yeah. But by filing ten ninety nine a form, that goes back to the, affidavit of identity theft, which is Form 14,039. You make your claim with the Federal Trade Commission claiming identity theft by the IRS and file your ten ninety nine properly. So you hit the ledger directly and tell the IRS you want your money back because that's who's been saving us.
[03:52:56] Unknown:
Julie, is there a section on there about, restatement or novation of trust at all?
[03:53:04] Unknown:
Nope. No. It's all about it's all about revoking your securities, which they used your QSIP number for, revoking them and taking them back. It's all about taking your minor estate back. You've got to collapse the bond so you can take your property back. And, title 26, United States Code six seventy one through six seventy seven is where you have the power to revoke them, but it's specifically six seventy six. It states that the grantor, and that would be you, is the owner, which would be you, of any portion of a trust. And our securities are in a trust.
We, we have the we have the power to take our money back and grant for titles to such portion of our CUSIP. So what we have to do is revoke that trust, and we have to file the IRS documents properly. And it starts with claiming that we have identity theft because under October a, the IRS stole our secured property. And it doesn't do any good going after all these courts and stuff because they're all you're gonna get tied up in court, and they're all fraudulent, so you go and do the paperwork. It's kinda like when you get a traffic ticket. You go and use the paper within three days and try to get it cleared up through the courts on, who you harmed in a traffic ticket and how you're trying to settle this.
You're trying to settle this, I guess you'd say outside the outside the court system, outside the bar. But, you don't wanna take this into the public realm because it's just not gonna do anything good. You can either do a, ten ninety nine c if you wanna discharge it, or you could do a ten ninety nine b and take your money back. But you need to have your QSIP, and you gotta do it to the exact penny. Because you don't want to cheat the Treasury Department at all, you just want the money back that's been taken from you. So you're acting as the creditor and you're basically hitting the ledger with the IRS and there's nothing they can do.
It sits on their transcript can't transcript and they have to cancel and discharge the accounting on their side, and this was set up by the banking system in the beginning. It was supposed to be very simple, and they were supposed to be doing the accounting properly for our securities, but they've not been paying the taxes that they owe on the securities, and that would be the IRS. And the IRS is, my understanding is that they are kind of running scared. And, yeah, the IRS is going to go. That's why they're trying to roll out the carbon tax. So while we have time, try to do the accounting with the IRS right now while they still exist. Because I think they're going to take them down and then they're going to institute our digital prison, our digital concentration camps with our digital IDs and our and our digital CBDCs, whether you want to call them central bank digital currencies, or you want to call them stable coins, they will all be tokenized on the blockchain system. And they will all be controlled, monitored and programmed, maybe even programmed to expire if you don't use them by a certain date.
[03:57:17] Unknown:
Julie, I'd like to make a distinction.
[03:57:20] Unknown:
Yes.
[03:57:21] Unknown:
Please do. You you mentioned not in the public. Well, what we're calling the public is actually their private system. Right. It's no it's no longer the public. We're trying to to get this stuff, you know, cleaned up, and that's that's another thing that Brose gets into. Where that distinction is, he's basically saying what we've got is some religious fanatics telling us how their government's supposed to be, and they have put their own private interests in our faces, making them so called law that we have to follow. So it'd be like another doctrine on you.
Right. It's it's for the people who haven't read Bros. Who are really interested in I think his point of view is is really quite right on for what Roger Beech is. So
[03:58:27] Unknown:
No. I I agree with you on that. The problem is we have to play their game. I mean, you don't want to, but at the end of the day, they have it's just complete and utter lawlessness. So if there's a way to get use their utter lawlessness to get ahold of our securities, our big performance and payment bonds, revoke them and get them back and get our property back that they've stolen, why not why not do it?
[03:58:56] Unknown:
Yeah. I just think that using using their tools to do it is is potentially a mistake. I don't, you know I mean, you're you're steeped way more in this financial system than I ever will be, and, I just believe in, you know, the basics. Like, where did our gold and silver back currency go? And, you know, why are they taking my cash away? Unfortunately, it's gone. And why are they taking my cash away next? You know? I mean, come on. I want my anonymity at least.
[03:59:31] Unknown:
Well, if you can you still have that CUSIP bond that's sitting in a trust since 1933 that you can take back, that you can revoke and re vest. And the best way to do it is by filing paperwork with the IRS and telling them that you want the ledger fixed and by filing an affidavit of identity fraud, since these people are to these these entities are creating securities out of us, they don't even have securities licenses to do this. And then they're signing our name to this crap.
[04:00:12] Unknown:
Yeah. It's a criminal organization. Yeah. Basically.
[04:00:20] Unknown:
Yep. And I'm on your page 49 of the Brost book and it says since the fourteenth amendment, religious conscience has been allowed to become public policy that is contrary contrary to the first amendment a man or a few men's religious ideas are now constantly becoming or changing public policy because of the formation of the public charitable church trust of the fourteenth amendment operating outside the confines of the constitution.
[04:00:56] Unknown:
Yep. Puts it well, doesn't it?
[04:00:59] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. And so, basically, it's it's basically saying on here that the public policy of the fourteenth amendment church, they are benefiting as a beneficiary of the trust. It says under the fourteenth Amendment, individual persons are put on the same level as corporations, also called persons, the state becomes the conscience of every member of its charitable trust and the conscience of the trust is the one who has the greatest amount of influence or money vis a vis special interest groups to sway vis a vis lobby the legislators. If you were involved in trying to influence and shape legislative law, for example, abortion, gun control supplements. You are involved in special interests attempting to dictate public public policy by way of the private religious conscience church known as the fourteenth amendment charitable Public Trust of the United States AKA the Federal Government.
And then if you look at the First Amendment of the Constitution, it was for the purpose of preventing religion from becoming government policy and it specifically states that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof or abridging the freedom of speech of the press or the right of people peacefully to assemble petition the government for a redo redress of grievances. However, this amendment has been misunderstood according to the court cases that have dealt with it. What the first amendment is about literally is to prevent an individual's personal religious religious conscience from being legislated into law as public policy. The first amendment said the government was not to interfere with one's right to express his conscience by making any public policy based on it.
So, you know, it's just lawlessly done whatever they wanna do. I mean, I don't even think the constitution applies. We're in a state of war since 1936. We're under martial law right now. State of emergency. I don't even think anybody's following this constitution anymore. I don't even think we have any constitution. Right. Is there anything on the, on the Telegram channel, on the Libra code or
[04:03:50] Unknown:
the, oh, Kelly. Talking about on the law of court? The Hague. The Hague. Yeah. The Hague because, K. Hold on. A lot of their formal work, they'd talk about exactly that, that the Libra code is really the philosophical framework, but it also gives us protections. Like you mentioned, if they're gonna use the religion of the fourteenth amendment, we can use the religion of our faith, you know, in their system, if you will. Because it's a system that God, you know, has on on Europe right now.
[04:04:23] Unknown:
I don't see very many files under law of Boris Boris. I only see,
[04:04:30] Unknown:
Boris has a new, Telegram channel. It's called refining the trim tab. Refining what? The trim tab.
[04:04:40] Unknown:
How do you spell the last word? Well, thank you.
[04:04:45] Unknown:
T r I m t a b.
[04:04:48] Unknown:
Oh, trim tab. Refining the That's a ref. Yeah. That's a ref. Yeah. Let me see if I can find that. Thank you. To Bucky.
[04:04:56] Unknown:
To Bucky. In the building. Front we're
[04:05:00] Unknown:
finding the trim tab. Okay. I see it. Hold on here.
[04:05:11] Unknown:
Caller, have you followed Boris's, work at
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all?
[04:05:17] Unknown:
Only for about fifteen years. Yeah.
[04:05:21] Unknown:
There you go. Are you familiar with Lex and, Jimbo and all those guys then?
[04:05:32] Unknown:
Yes, sir. Okay.
[04:05:38] Unknown:
Well, there's a document on here that you don't own your own name.
[04:05:48] Unknown:
Well, that's why they call it refining the trim tab because it's just a soapbox. Everybody can they can can it's just a wild storm there, but that's where,
[04:06:00] Unknown:
Boris posts and makes comments. Yeah. Refining the trim trim tab has a lot more files on it than law of Boris does.
[04:06:15] Unknown:
Yeah. They might have moved every kinda ported everything over there. Howdy.
[04:06:22] Unknown:
They got the Tim Schock book for the banking stuff over there. And they've got a bunch of stuff on used to fracked on here, George.
[04:06:37] Unknown:
Yeah. The channel right now mainly focuses on territorial jurisdiction.
[04:06:43] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. That's where Lex brought a lot of that challenge in right for the, you know, basis so that they couldn't make a claim upon which relief would be granted if they couldn't if they didn't have territorial jurisdiction.
[04:06:57] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm trying to see if they have anything on here for the on here. And there are a bunch of stuff on notice of acceptances on here. Trying to find stuff on the lever code on here. Let me see. I got a bunch of stuff on discharging and how you write on these bills, pay to the order of the United States Treasury without recourse by authorized representative your date. And it talks about the statute going here. I'm trying to see if I can find something on a Lieber or the what other one did you want, George? Lieber and what else?
[04:07:55] Unknown:
The Hague. They they reference The Hague a lot because there's a lot of protections, based in nineteen o seven. Yep. When they knew they were gonna start doing all the the new international work, they were trying to protect the inhabit native inhabitants.
[04:08:16] Unknown:
Okay. I have the chat note note with the Libra code. Hold on here. Yep. It does. It has stuff on, the Libra code. We are a prisoner of war. Lieber Code article 40 talks about article 74, a prisoner of war being a public enemy, is a prisoner of the government. And this goes back to what the trading with the enemies act that we all have studied.
[04:08:54] Unknown:
Correct. Yep. Yep.
[04:08:56] Unknown:
Excellent. Okay. So basis you for that. That the code is the basis of all international law. Inter means between national means person owing allegiance to and entitled to the protection of a sovereign state. Therefore, international law is the law governing relations between people of one nation and the peoples of other nations, I e, the people of The United Kingdom, represented by the crown of the United States of America, represented by the president, as opposed to intra national, which is the law governing relations between people within a sovereign nation. Sorry. My little boy here is having a, trachea coughing fit. Pico, I'm trying to talk on Roger Show. Can you please be quiet?
I can send this to you. George?
[04:09:56] Unknown:
That'd be great. That'd be great, Julia. Yeah. That's, a lot of what, you know, I printed off, the documents from the different Rumble channel,
[04:10:06] Unknown:
podcast. So I just text you. I just text to you. It uses a lot of the Cornell law with the US code text on it.
[04:10:17] Unknown:
Mhmm. Okay.
[04:10:21] Unknown:
Oh, wait. It just said it failed to send to you. Why?
[04:10:26] Unknown:
Oh,
[04:10:33] Unknown:
k. I'll just email it to you instead.
[04:10:41] Unknown:
I got a little bit here with the use of the word territory in in a piece on here. He says, it is what the citizen is unaware of is that the first 10 amendments to the constitution called the bill of rights were passed as public in law amendments by the states in this union known as the Republic Of The United States Of America. These do not apply to the several states that are political subdivisions of a territory of the fourteenth amendment trust of the District of Columbia called the democracy.
[04:11:17] Unknown:
What page are you on?
[04:11:21] Unknown:
56.
[04:11:22] Unknown:
56? Okay. Hold on. I'm going there right now. Hold on.
[04:11:25] Unknown:
Where was I? K. Go ahead.
[04:11:27] Unknown:
I see. Go ahead.
[04:11:29] Unknown:
I'm looking where I okay. I lost my space. Where I was? You're talking about the territory. Okay. Yeah. The fourteenth Amendment Trust is a District of Columbia called the democracy. In the opposite vein, amendments 11 through 25 were passed as private at law amendments by the several states operating as political subdivisions of the trust and have no application to the republic and its citizens. Amendments 11 through 25 function outside the constitution. Any additional amendments that would be added by the constitution a constitute con convention would be added as more private law only by the several states as a democracy outside the republic and its constitution.
The more amendments democracy wants to add will give more will not give more freedom and rights. On the contrary, only more oppression and control. He does a nice explanation to a lot of people, you know, what's the common law? He says, it's simple. With with Bros. Puts it, he says, all private action groups have failed to make any difference because of their inability to recognize that our nation was established first and foremost as an assembly of individuals acting independently in their own best interest without harm to one another. Basic general common law.
That's what we need to get back to. All these crimes that they've got on the books that Stanford says 45,000,000, you know, I mean, that's just there to spank us at will.
[04:13:16] Unknown:
It's really weird because it says that between 1868 and 1933, the fourteenth amendment had little effect upon the general population. This was because the people still controlled the substance of their law. That is the people the only people affected by the fourteenth Amendment relation during that time were those that held licenses and contracts with the government of the United States or were in employment. And it says that it was not until June fifth of nineteen thirty three that the fourteenth Amendment took on a whole new power. And that was the House Joint Resolution 192, was passed and the American people voluntarily gave up their law because they voluntarily gave up their gold.
[04:14:10] Unknown:
Right.
[04:14:14] Unknown:
Voluntarily give up their gold. They were ordered to give up their gold or face stiff penalties, fines, and prison.
[04:14:23] Unknown:
Yeah. You're right. Should've been a revolution. Voluntarily,
[04:14:26] Unknown:
though. Should've been a revolution right there and then.
[04:14:34] Unknown:
It says right here, all that it appeared from what history, so Julie. It says right here that it appeared from what took place that the people were forced to give up their gold. However, that is not what could have happened going along with public policy of House Joint Resolution 192 is actually a voluntary act and is mutable at will. And it says thus the individual was a victim of his own ignorance about the law. By accepting the offer of the private credit, the population was automatically bound over to the private trust now having gone public because the whole population was moved wholesale into the trust by their silent or negative acceptance. When 51% of the population volunteered for the private trust, it became a public trust.
[04:15:36] Unknown:
And that's when we became a democracy.
[04:15:39] Unknown:
Yep. Yep. And
[04:15:46] Unknown:
same thing with the fourteenth amendment. They passed the Expatriation Act the day before they that came into law, and that was supposedly your way to not agree with it. Right? But they didn't tell anybody that. You know? I found out, you know, about two years ago when I was reading Burrows or when I was reading Burrows that that thing even existed. And, of course, they refined it over the years because they didn't want the language of that original document to be out there. So by nineteen o one, they had changed it. And then 02/2007, they changed it. They changed it several times. Covered their tracks. Yep.
But Bro says it's it's still enforced, and that's why he uses that term in his his declaration of independence of expatriate. Absolutely. He's talking about that document, the expatriation act of 1868.
[04:16:49] Unknown:
Wow.
[04:16:53] Unknown:
Okay. Alright, guys. I'm gonna take the stream down. This is George. I would I would just love to leave it up, but I must leave, and then I won't be here to take it down later. So, let's let's do this. This has been the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales, including a very, very, very interesting after show. Catch us here Monday through Saturday, 11AM to 1PM eastern. Our website is thematrixdocs.com, thematrixd0cs.com. Our platforms are eurofolkradio.com. Thanks to pastor Eli James. Global Voice Radio Network and radiosoapbox.com picks us up Tuesdays through Fridays.
That's from our good buddy, Paul, across the pond. The after show will continue. I will have to reset the conference room. So if you wanna go to the matrixstocks.com and click on the free conference call link, you will be able to actually join the after show and get in on this discussion. I will leave the recording running on free conference calls so everything spoken here from 11AM this morning, until whenever people stop talking will be available using the call in playback number on Global Voice Network. Thanks. Blasting the voice of freedom worldwide, you're listening to the Global Voice Radio Network.
[04:18:22] Unknown:
Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.
Introduction and Host Introduction
Tribute to Dan Swain
Middle East Conflict Discussion
Reliability of Biblical Manuscripts
Discussion on Pastor Pete Peters
Political Experiences and Challenges
The Role of Trust in Christianity
Colonel Jack Moore and John Birch Society
Trusts and Asset Protection
National Status and Legal Strategies
