On this Friday Radio Ranch, we opened with reflections on November 22 as the JFK assassination anniversary and pivoted into a wide‑ranging conversation on political power, lobbying, and media. Brent Allen Winters joined me to examine Israel’s early leadership, AIPAC’s influence in Washington, and his own first‑hand experiences in campaigns and on Capitol Hill. We also fielded live audience questions and swapped stories from the trail—what it really takes to win a primary, why name recognition matters, and how would‑be “free trips” come with strings attached. From there, we dived into scripture, translation, and tradition: the Sermon on the Mount versus rabbinic glosses, the Masoretic Text versus the Septuagint, and how to read the Bible for the “sweep and flow.” Brent unpacked the difference between knowing about God and knowing God, the testing that forges character, and why love (charity) is action aligned with God’s law. We rounded out with resources listeners asked for—King James, NASB, Geneva, Michael Hudson’s debt scholarship—and program logistics for tuning into GVRN and partner stations.
- 'Global Voice Radio Network – PodHome feed': https://radio.globalvoiceradio.net/
- 'Radio Soapbox – live stream': https://stream.radiosoapbox.com/
- 'EURO·FOLK·RADIO (Pastor Eli James)': https://eurofolkradio.com/
- 'Brent Allen Winters – The Common Lawyer': https://commonlawyer.com/
- 'Scriptures for America (Pete Peters ministry)': https://scripturesforamerica.org/wp/contact-us/
- 'Mission to Israel (Ted R. Weiland)': https://missiontoisrael.org/missionstatement.php
- 'Ron Paul Institute for Peace & Prosperity': https://ronpaulinstitute.org/
- 'AIPAC – American Israel Public Affairs Committee': https://www.aipac.org/
- 'WWCR – World Wide Christian Radio (shortwave)': https://wwcr.com/
- 'Michael Hudson – …and forgive them their debts (book page)': https://michael-hudson.com/2018/08/and-forgive-them-their-debts/
- 'King James Version (KJV) – overview/read online': https://www.biblegateway.com/versions/King-James-Version-KJV-Bible/
- 'New American Standard Bible (NASB) – The Lockman Foundation': https://www.lockman.org
- 'America: Freedom to Fascism (Aaron Russo film)': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America%3A_Freedom_to_Fascism
- 'Peter S. Ruckman – Bible Baptist Bookstore profile': https://kjv1611.org/pages/about-dr-ruckman-1
- 'Rulers of Evil (F. Tupper Saussy)': https://openlibrary.org/books/OL7293315M/Rulers_of_Evil
- 'Nick Fuentes – background': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Fuentes
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As as would we, Alvin, and we'll pick up your lead. Thank you very much here on the Friday edition, Radio Ranch. Roger Sales, and, I guess he'll sashay in here directly Brent Winters, my cohost on Fridays for many years now. And, of course, we are the radio ranch, and, it is 11/21. Paul, help me out here. Isn't 11/22? Isn't that the commemoration of the assassination of JFK?
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Interesting. That time, I can't believe they knocked him off right before Thanksgiving. How many of you in the audience are you or how many of us are old timers enough to remember where we were when that happened? We can discuss that and other things as we, jump into the deep into the pool. Paul, would you give the people that help us extend our reach their proper credit and recognition, please?
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And there's a bunch of information over there. This is real important Watch. By the way. And may you'll probably never find another places in one place. So tomorrow, the Saturday edition will be the twenty second. I'm pretty sure that's the JFK commemoration day. I was watching, Paul Hirsch, because I'm kinda intrigued with the guy, Nick Fuentes. And, he he for 26, he's a sharp kid. K? There are a few of them out there. He's particularly one in his, all of his opinions and the reasons he's arrived at him, which he's not bashful about going into, very interesting. But he in the episode I was watching last night, he asked a question.
He said, who I don't know whether it was Golda Meir. Do you remember that hag, Golda Meir. Yeah. The first the first, the first prime minister of Israel was can do you remember who that was?
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Ben Gurion. And he was the first one, and then I think Hag followed him. Golda Meir. And, they were arguing with JFK. JFK did not want them to have nuclear weapons. And that was a couple of months before his, his untimely assassination. Then there's another really, interesting the, AIPAC was back then called the Jewish Committee. And, they were throwing money all over the place up there as they're apt to do. And, JFK was gonna make them register as a foreign agent. And it was shortly after those two things no doubt contributed to his, the the the the demise of Camelot, should we say. I see. It looks like mister Winters has pulled up and tied his horse up out there.
But, anyway, I guess that's tomorrow. So interesting. These roots go very, very deep. They go very, very deep. And over all these years for myself, I'm not sure how many years Brent has been down this path. I've been doing it, well, thirty two and a half or some years. Thirty three years. Yeah. I lose count. But and I started early on when I became aware of the tax situation. I asked myself the magic question. I've heard other people say this too. If they can do this to us here, what the hell else are they doing to us? And that's where I started my journey many years ago. And, so I I took the first, first as I rationally tried to sift this stuff out, I said, well, as a good investigative reporter covers the five w's, the most important who, where, when, why, and where or what.
Anyway, out of all those who and why are the most important ones, I think. And so I started down that path with those two goals in mind. Every path I've ever chased and researched back in all these years, every time it led back to them. Mhmm. Every time. There's no exceptions. Okay. So, if you wonder where my vitriol comes from, it's well earned. Yeah. K. And it's justified. And we got them. Mhmm. No no nobody's ever you know, the only people that have ever had these bastards like this were the Romans on Masada. We got them on the top of Masada. Okay?
Go ahead, Paul.
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Brent, Bachman, he he brought up a really interesting link. It's a seven minute and thirty eight second video. It's on YouTube, actually. I don't know if it's still on YouTube. I'm thinking it's probably scrubbed by now judging from the subject matter, but it was, what are the real names of Israeli officials, and why did they change them? This is very interesting.
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I'm sure it was. And, at You're not Netanyahu. Netanyahu went to high school outside of Philadelphia.
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Uh-huh. K. I actually do have it.
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Well, you can you can throw a little bit in there. I don't think Brent would object. Morning, Brent. Morning, Roger.
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Yeah. Morning, Roger. Well, it's changing names. So, Kurt Douglas changed his name to Kurt Douglas. That's not his name. Jack Benny changed his name to Jack Benny. That's Yeah. Not his name. Shelley Shelley Winters changed her name to Shelley Winters. That's not her name either. And we could go on and on, and it's part of the culture that you if in a in a culture of and I'm quoting Jesus Christ here. I like to stick to what he says if I can. Quoting Jesus Christ, you woe unto you scribes and pharasites, stage actors.
Hupokratos. We say hypocrite. Hypocrite is not a translation of that Greek word. Hypocrite is a transliteration of that Greek word an attempt to use Greek English letters to reproduce the sound of the Greek word, the pronunciation of it. It's or hypocrite, and what it means is stage actor. Woe unto you. That's irreversible doom, the Hebrew word again transliterated into and that Hebrew word is transliterated into the Greek tongue there. Woah. Oi, it means irreversible doom, apostasy. It's all over but to cry and you get no second chance. You're like the demons. It's that's what Jesus Christ is saying. The demons don't get a check second chance. They don't get a second bite at the apple. Well, that's what he was saying to them. Now he didn't say that, the whole, everybody in the nation. He said that to them. Let's be precise about what's being said here. The scribes, which are the legal beagles, they're like they'd be analogous to the barristers in England. Mhmm. Or the rather no. No. The solicitors the solicitors.
They're the ones that, know the law well because they do the studying. They're not the upfront guys, though. They're not the guys that are on the court. They're not the lawyers that are in the courtroom arguing. The they're the solicitors. Then the Pherecytes are like the barristers. They're the sergeants at law in England. We don't use those terms here, but it's part of our common law tradition. Order of the coif, they say in law school here. Well, they're they're the ones that are up front, but in both cases, woe unto them both. Now is that is that woe unto our lawyers? No. They weren't common lawyers. They were law of the city lawyer. They were scholastics. What is Judaism?
But it's Babylonian. That means a scholasticism. And the rabbis will tell you that. That this is scholasticism. You were talking about Ben Gurion. Ben Gurion, he's the recognized father of, the Israeli state, and he was the first prime minister. As you said, he was, according to his testimony, an atheist. But a Jewish atheist. So what does that mean? How why is it that atheism demands a religion? What and there there well, the answer is easy because all of Judaism denies the true God. That's easy. Well, who's who is it with us, mere mortals? Who who do we recognize as the true God? Jesus the Christ is the manifestation of the Godhead of three persons that we can we can get a handle on. We we cannot understand God. We don't have a relationship with him unless we can relate to God the Godhead by a manifestation of the godhead that's like us.
Otherwise, it's our our religion is in vain. So the hope of Israel all through the Old Testament, and they knew it because the bible said it that the god will take on the form of a man, we'll call him the Meshach, the Messiah, and he will pitch his bodily tent. That's the way the Old Testament puts it. The tent of his body among us. The, the flesh. He'll be with us and he will enter the stream of the race of Adam. And he will live among us and he is still in body. I I remember reading or listening to Justice Scalia used to travel to America and the rest of the English speaking world to deliver lectures, and he was in I think it was at Oxford. And the beauty of the Internet, you can listen to these lectures. But he said he was getting some kind of a master's degree once in some kind of history.
And, of course, he had to go in for oral exams. Well, I was on I'm changing the subject for just a second. I was on the radio with that fellow when I had that morning show in Terre Haute, Indiana. You know, we said, oh, from the heart of the Wabash Valley, that was our our call call phrase. And, now I say from the remote hinterlands of the Wabash Valley where the hogs, the frogs, and the dogs keep up at racket all night long. But the fellow that owned the station, he'd get on with me and he'd get a cup of coffee and he'd say, boy, it's good to be with you, Brent. And then he'd go like this. That's good. He'd drink his coffee, and he'd make that ugly noise.
He slurp. He slurp you. Yeah. It was terrible. I thought it was terrible that he did that, but I wouldn't know tell him what to do. He was 86 years old. He'd been in radio since he was 14 down in Bensons, Indiana, the home of Yeah. Red Skelton. Yeah. Seasoned, baby. He was seasoned. Yeah. So I didn't but I I don't do it. So when I stop and I pause, I'm taking a drink. I'm trying not to slurp. He can probably hear me, though. But getting back to what we were talking about, what were we talking about? I lost my place here.
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Well, we were to start out with Ben Gurion, we made this search, and you got to the point where, you were gonna take a little, detour there for a second. I forgot the peg that you pivoted on. Well, I can't hear it. Can you help?
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No? Oh, can you help? No. He's not. Oh, no. He he's just chasing the kitty. Well, I can tell you about my experience with well, we're talking about Ben Gurion. The Judaism is a is a denial of the true God. Now that was what I was driving at. That's what it is. All false religion has a a God. They're not atheists. They they have a final arbiter of right and wrong. Everybody does. Everybody. They don't recognize it. I said this a thousand times. You know, a couple of things I wanted to talk about today. Ben Gurion, just it's just the doctrine of demons. It's Babylonianism.
If you are not a worshiper of Jesus the Christ, if you're unwilling to fall down before him and kiss the dirt, you're not a Christian. I don't know what you are. Well, I know what you are. You're Babylonian. All false religion is from Babylon. But it and it comes and it's all fundamentally the same, and it comes under a 10,000 different labels. And then there's the true religion. Our religion, Riele Gare, our response back to our maker. The response you make back to your lawgiver, whoever it is, is your religion. Maybe yourself. If you're that stupid, most people are. Most most we're all pretty stupid. People say, oh, Brent, you call people stupid. Listen. I know stupid really well Mhmm. Because I shave every morning. I look at it. And don't tell me I don't understand stupid. What I wanted to do today, Roger, was, oh, I can talk about APAC. Yeah. I could talk about that. I've had personal firsthand intense experience with APAC or AIPAC. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
I can talk about that. And I thought, well, Roger, maybe people listen to me and you let me come on and talk and I'll drop another footnote. By the way, I got that book that Paul recommended, Forgive Us Our Debts, by a fellow named Hudson. Yeah. And what kind of appealed to me because that's my mother's side of the family were Hudsons. So I said, well, he may be some Kim. I don't know if he's or not. That branch. Shake that branch. He might fall out. Well, it's good. It's good. He was, of course, there at the Hudson Institute, a conservative institute in Indianapolis. But this fellow was, it was good. I'm reading it now.
Paul, Paul English recommended the book. He said Brent would like this book. Well, I thought, well, I wonder if Paul's right. I'll find out if he's right. I got it. Didn't cost much. You can go to the Internet and get it easy. But I thought maybe people hear me say all these things and make all these pontifical statements and act like I know what I'm talking about. And, I thought, well, maybe they don't understand why I've come to these conclusions. And you said that just a minute ago. He said, this guy, whoever you were talking about, tells us how to how we can or how he has come to his conclusions.
And what brings us to our to ultimate conclusions is not logic. Logic is a tool. It's a whore. If you use it wrongly, it's just a whore. Any way you wanna use it. But conclusions of conviction are different than what you, come to by logic. Yes. Conviction only comes through experience. It didn't come any other way. And that means usually, Roger, matter of fact, I think it always means this, that means you got a limp for the rest of your life because you've been hammered. As one fella said, never trust a man that doesn't have a limp. Well, that's from the bible. You know, Ya'aqob means clutcher.
Clutcher. I used to run the tractor and I'd throw the clutch in and out with a hand clutch and I could watch the clutching. No. The clutching means it grabs the the flywheel. And once once the the wheels or whatever you're running the power takeoff grabs the flywheel, then that engages the power from the motor to the rear axle and the wheels or to the power takeoff or to the flywheel on the hammer mill. We used to have a hammer mill, had a flywheel. We'd and we had this big it wasn't a put with your foot. You had a this long handle sticking up, and you can grab it. You'd shove that baby forward, and that would bring it all together and engage the clutch on that flywheel, it'd clutch it. And then that that, that belt would clutch that flywheel. That means tight to it, and that would engage the power with, from the motor to whatever you're wanting to do. By the way, I used to watch that flywheel, Roger, when I was a kid. And boy, it and fly when you have a belt on a flywheel back to the old machinery on the farm Yeah. Those things were 30 foot long.
And you cross them in the middle so they wouldn't get to flying up in the air. See? Cross them cross them in the middle. And they're made of heavy, heavy stuff, you know. And we're talking about Rubber and and and and
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along with that and other stuff. Yeah. But what used to amaze me about it, we put it on that flywheel on the side of that tractor, and tractors used to have a large flywheel for that purpose. It could in clutch, it engaged the motor with the the hammer mill. We had a hammer mill. We used it for that. And, that flywheel was a huge thing, and we also had one at the engine house in the oil field that dad ran. But this flywheel was huge, and it didn't have the belt was on it. The belt was as wide as both, eight inches wide, wide as both of my hands put together, two hands wide. Wow. And it didn't have anything to hold it on that flywheel. The flywheel was just a barren flywheel.
And that thing, we'd open that throttle wide up, and that thing would be going a 100 mile an hour, and it wouldn't fly off the flywheel. I couldn't understand that. Amazing. Well, finally, I figured it out. Well, no. I had an old man tell me why. And here's why. This is fascinating in the extreme. It's all a matter of physics. It's a matter of friction. It's a matter of the laws of nature. This old man, this old fellow that used to run a thrashing machine told me, he said, Brent I asked him. He said, Brent, if you'll just take your hand and put it on that top of that flywheel, and it was smooth. It just looked flat and smooth to the eye, but it wasn't. It was smooth, but it wasn't flat.
And the belt was bigger than the flywheel. You know? Okay. So you it I just couldn't under why it wouldn't go back and forth or something. Well, the flywheel was flat and smooth, but when you really tried to discern, shut your eyes, and rub your hand over the top of it, the middle of the flywheel all the way around was just a hair's breadth higher outside of the flywheel. In other words, it was tapered Uh-huh. But so slight you couldn't perceive it with your eyes. And that's what holds the belt on a flywheel. Now little stuff like that, old timers understood.
And, they understood a lot of things, and most of them a lot of no. I shouldn't say most of them. In some circles, yeah, most of them. But I knew a lot of men that had never been to school that ran machinery like that understood a lot of stuff. That's the human brain that's really sharp. But getting back to APAC, well that talking about the flywheel doesn't make any difference. It's Tasmanian word association. Go ahead. That's what it is, Roger. That's what it is. Well, I I oh, I did say don't a man a man doesn't know nothing until he got a limp. Well, that comes from Jacob. Jacob's the one that clutched. That's why Jacob means clutcher. And when he came out of the womb, he was a twin to another boy, a a few minutes older than him named Esau.
Esau, by the may by the way, means clut clutched. Clutched. And Jacob means clutcher.
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Really?
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Yeah. And when they came out of the womb, I say a few minutes, probably wasn't more than a minute because, you know, some twins are fifteen, twenty minutes apart. I've got them in my family and we'd laugh about it. You know, the older one would say well the most wonderful time of my life was the first twenty minutes. Why? My my brother wasn't born yet, you know. Right. Well, but they were they came out almost the same time because the records of the bible says that Yaakov was clutching with his hand, clutching the heel of his brother.
And in the womb, of course, they were kicking around and that caused problems it says, but clutching and, Esau means clutch. It may have been where the whole damn feud started. Brent, think about it. Go ahead. Well, well, the Bible says when hit their mother was complaining about it, then she was told there are two nations in your belly because they were kicking around in there. And any of you gals who are listening that have had a baby, you know how babies will be get to feel in their Cheerios. They're warm in the womb. But you get two of them in there, then you get to punch them on another. Well, that's what the Bible says happened in the womb of their mother.
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So Just you know, the when you look at that and consider, everything else, it just adds a new wrinkle. Go ahead.
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Yeah. It does. But let me add one more wrinkle. The Bible plays this all out and you begin to notice the details, and I'm probably not even scratching the surface on this point. His name is Clutch. He was Clutch and his brother, and his brother's name meant Clutch. And then when he got older and had a family and he he was, clutching everything, get his hands on, he was a grabber. He was greedy. He was greedy, fortunately, for the right thing. And as they say, I think I said this last week, if you don't want it bad enough to cheat for it, you probably don't deserve it. That's hyperbole. I said that last time too, but he was that way. He wanted the trust settlement of God bad enough. He he came right up the edge of cheating for it and got it. But at any rate, later on after he cheated his brother, whose name was Clutch, he was afraid of his brother because he'd his brother saw his robbery of his inheritance.
And so, he found out his he was traveling with all of his flocks. He was wealthy by that time, and he had committed some shenanigans against his father-in-law. And he was he trying to get away without his father-in-law know it with all of his wealth, and wealth in those days was a fee, f e e. Now that's the Anglo Saxon word that means cattle, animals, four footed livestock. Fee. Well, that was the wealth in those days of the patriarchs, and he had lots of them. He was about to meet. He knew his brother Esau. Clust was coming at him. He didn't know what to do. He thought he was good as a dead man, and so he sent ahead with gifts gifts. But the night before, because he was scared out of his wits, he clutched again.
This time he clutched the Lord Jesus Christ. Oh Jesus Christ is eternal friends. He's a man. Even before he entered the stream of Adam and Yahoah of the Old Testament, Jehovah as John or not John Wycliffe, he was a quite a character, but William Tyndale of the middle of England pronounced it Jehovah. He clutched him. He wouldn't let go of him. He said, bless me. He wanted that covenant. See? He wanted that promise. Said, I'm not letting go of you till you bless me. And he hung on and hung on and hung on, and it says that Yahoah wrestled with him all night long and finally got ticked off and said, let me go. I don't want you bothering me. Said, not till you bless me.
Well, that ticked him off, and the only way he could get away from him is he flipped him over, pinned him, and busted the socket of his hip. And he walked with a limp the rest of his life. Of course, the lesson there is you don't win. The word Israel, he renamed him Israel. It was Ya'akov, Jacob. He renamed him Israel, which means lawgiver, El, wins. Lawgiver wins because he won that wrestling match. But in the lawgiver winning the wrestling match with you winning the wrestling match with you, that's the only way you're gonna win. That's the point of the story. And once he had him flat on his back and busted his hip and gave him the mark of it the rest of his life, he walked with a limp, well then that means he won.
That means he won. You know, he met God like a lot of us do. He met God when he was young. Maybe his parents introduced him, took him to Sunday school. And you got to know who God is. I did. I got to know who God is. Roger, I bet you could say that. I bet a lot of people listening could say, well, I got to know who God is. Neighbor or the grandma took me to church, or mom and dad took me, or or somebody in the family sent me to church, or or I went to church with my buddy when I I I got introduced to God. And that's good. That's good. But that's not salvation.
You know, after you get introduced to God, then it may be that you'll get to know him, but you won't get to know him till you he he he pins you and and gives you a limp. Then you know God. And there's a difference between knowing about God, having been introduced to him, and knowing him. And you won't know him till you go through hard times. That's when you get the limp. The folk that I talk to here, I've talked and it it's a matter of testimony. So what I thought I would do today for fun, Roger, if unless there's something else that you have in mind Mhmm. Is talk about what happened to me. I've heard, Paul, English, tell what happened to him because I've known you so long. I've heard some of your stories of what's happened to you, of course. Mhmm. Maybe somebody would be interested in knowing what happened to me. I try and keep the real bad ones away from you, Brent.
Well, we used to do this when I was growing up. We used to have what in my culture of Christianity, what we thought was worth cultivating, Christianity wasn't real unless it was personal. No. You come to church and taking mass or come to church and doing the lord's supper or getting baptized or whatever teaching Sunday school, going through the motions to say you believe a creed, all that. That's all okay. That's that's telling me what you know about God. And some of it is trash, by the way. But to know God, that's quite another matter. Daniel says in the book of Daniel you heard of him. You know, Daniel is taught with the book of Revelation in the bible, believing seminaries and colleges of our land. Always has been. Daniel, Revelation's always been a course.
Now what does it mean? What does that mean? That means they're closely related, and they are. Revelation is the fleshing out of the book of Daniel. But the book of Daniel says this, they who do know, not know about, not know about their God. They who do know, Yadah in the Hebrew text, the Semitic word that means to know by experience. They who do know their God shall be strong and do exploits. You will never be strong unless you know your God. No. The word no in the Old Testament is always the same. There's only one word that means no in the Old Testament. K n o w k n o w.
And then the first appears in the Old Testament, when it says the first use, it says that Adam knew his wife. What happened? And she conceived. When you know somebody, it's intimate. It doesn't mean you. With a man and a woman, that's the knowledge of a woman behind closed doors. You know her. Been married to her for a while. You don't just know about her. Like, oh, man. She's, she's stacked. Oh, wow. That's my dad said. He saw my mother. He said that woman's stacked for that girl. She was only 16. She's stacked. He told me that not too long ago. That's been seventy seven years ago. Well, that's the first introduction. You know about her. You know what she looks like. Then you find out that she's friendly. You talk to her and then you're comfortable with her. And then finally my father said, and this is according to the testimony testimony of my mother, this is experience. Testimony. First hand. Not long ago, he brought her home.
And, before she got out of the car, I mean, there were no lights in those days. So you left your car lights on, so they get up to the Porsche and get in. No electricity. He left the lights on. Mom got said you got ready to get out. And and he said, you know, you don't have to sit on the car door when you ride with me. And, of course, you remember Roger. I mean, when people were sweet on under, each other on a bench seat, they'd slide together. Right? Yes. Yeah. You remember that. I couldn't get a piece of paper between them. It'd be so tight. You know? And, well, that's been a common experience in my generation. And dad and mom's too, and and he said that to her. And then in time, they got married. And and then, of course, seventy some years later, they don't just know about each other. They know each other. Yeah. Well, that's the way it is with God. And if you don't know, they who do know know their God.
How do you know your God? He takes you through trial. He takes you through the fire, though through fiery trial your pathway will lie. My grace, all sufficient, shall be your supply. The flame will not hurt thee. Thy my only design, thy dross to consume, and thy gold to refine. And that's what's gonna happen. Then you become powerful. Well, I haven't been through all the trials I'm gonna go through. I could tell you about the ones I've been through. I don't think I'm as strong as I'm supposed to be. Roger, are you gonna say something? Well, I was. You mentioned the word dross and metal, and I think it's, you've heard the story. Some of the audience may not have about how in the ancient times, they purified metal. Mhmm. Mhmm. Okay.
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They heat it up. They heat it up. And the dross, that word that Brent just used, the impurities, would come to the surface and they would scrape them off. And Yeah. And then they would continue to apply the heat to get more out. And they knew the metal was finished when they could see their reflection in what was left in the container. And I've heard many people take that exact thing and and attach it to the way God deals with us. And he burns out those impurities. And we go back and when he sees his reflection in us, then we're ready.
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Beautiful, Roger. Beautiful. Beautifully said. Thank you for that. I don't I like more than anything just illustrations. And Jesus Christ made illustrations, parables, similes, metaphors. Take us from something we in in life that we can see and understand and say, well, this principle that you know, you can this is the way it is with God. This is the way he does things. I had a guy tell me one time he went to South America somewhere. It was some ancient culture. And they said these women, they were Christian folk. These women would make these these pottery things that they'd use, you know. And the way they'd do it is they'd shape them with their hands on a pottery wheel, and then they'd put them in the kiln and harden them with heat.
And then when they come out, they'd take their finger and they'd pop them like you'd take your finger on your thumb and Oh, yeah. Pop something. Yeah. And he said when they'd make a certain ringing sound They knew it was rare. They knew it was done. It's like a champagne glass, you know, good crystal
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thumping. It's got that ring.
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Well, it's got that unique ring that well, you know what it is? It's that almost that same tone that an Apple iPhone puts off when you get a message. That's it. Yeah. Well, this fellow said that these these women in this little village that were doing this, they were Christian folks. That's why we're down there. He said these gals said, well, now that's the way our God does us. He puts us in the fire. Yep. And he takes us out and he gives us a flick with a finger. And if we don't make the right sound, he puts it back in again, puts us back in again. In other words, if you ain't singing when you come out of the fire, well, he'll put you back in. In other words, that's not funny. That hurts.
It's like
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cremation of Sam McGee.
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Yeah. Yeah. Well, these gals weren't stupid. They had it figured out what was how this works. Well, I was gonna tell you about my experience with APAC, and this is just your and when you go through the try the fiery trials, your pathway should lie. You you, you learn reality. That's what you learn, reality. And, yea, though you walk through the valley of the shadow of death, you don't need to fear any evil or thou art with me. You're in the valley of the shadow of death. Thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me. And then, of course, my cup runneth over and surely goodness and mercy. But he doesn't say that you're not gonna he's not gonna take you right through the valley and he's gonna keep taking you through. As a matter of fact, you live in perpetual warfare as a Christian man. The Islamic folk and the Semitic culture, they've got this much figured out about religion.
It's warfare. They understand that. That's why they're the sign of their religion is the the sword. Yeah. Look at their look at their symbol. The sign of our ours is not the sword, but let's recognize, friend, that our God is is the true god of war. Not to mention he's something that their god isn't. The god of of ultimate love. He's everything. Their god is just nothing but a war god and he he's a he's a piss ant. He's a demon god as all false gods are. But our god is the true god of war but also the true god of love. You know in all of their writings in Islam the word of the word love for love does not appear anywhere. That's not who God is.
It's do or die with their God. Their their only creed is obey Allah. Trouble is they don't have any clear guidance as to what to do. It's kinda odd. No statutes, no commandments, no judgments that are ultimate.
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They're so misguided.
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Yes. That's all false religion.
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Correct. Did they promote intermarriage in the family to us to a cousin? Oh. And now what that has born is a group of people who mentally many are just flat ass mentally deficient. And as an example, you like those, Brent, when the, Islam invasion of Europe has happened over the last number of years in Belgium, their mental health hospital, it was hardly filled. There was few people in it until the Muslims came and now it's overflowing.
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No. I get it, Roger. And that's that's a good illustration too of what a false religion is always always includes sex perversion. Always. Yeah. And it it comes in different ways and different forms. But of course, the Roman priests, have a had a terrible problem for many many centuries with sodomy and and abuse of nuns. That's that's part and partial to religion and abuse of little children, of course. As the Bible says, do not forbid to marry. Well, that's exactly what they do. They do what the Bible says not to do, and you're gonna have problems. I heard a mention the other day, just a casual thing.
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I think it was maybe in the e listen to e Michael Jones or somebody else. The pope recently had a had a dinner for transsexuals at the Vatican.
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Oh, I would I believe it. I believe it. But what folk think that there's something new about that when Henry the eighth closed all the monasteries and nunneries in England by his, power? He did as a politician would do today. He did a massive study. He commissioned a massive study of what goes on inside side of the the nunneries and the the, monasteries so that he would have public opinion on his side when he acted. That's not unusual. We've been doing that for centuries too. Yes. And that report came back and substantiated the horrible horror no. No.
Horrified. Horrifying. Gruesome things in your worst nightmare going on in the monasteries and the nunneries. And so he had a public support, political support, to shut him down. And he did. And he said no more of that, no more priesthood. And, by but this is historic. The byword in England since the earliest days, in the Anglo Saxon days, nothing new has been this. What good has any priest ever done for England? That's ancient in England. They just kept saying it and Rome never conclusively got its tent tentacle, the Roman Empire, and then the continuation of the canon civil laws of Rome through the church of Rome, never did get their tentacles conclusively around that island and still haven't. They're but they're they're fighting for their lives as we are. It's a fight. It never stops. The Christian life is a fight, but here's the beauty of it.
In that fight is shalom. The Old Testament translated peace that carries on in the New Testament, but shalom in the Semitic tongue, salam in the Arab tongue does not mean absence of absence of conflict and warfare. Salaam in Arabic, shalom in Hebrew and all of the other Semitic tongues means God's order, God's law, God's peace in the midst of battle. That's what it means. And I can show that over and over in the old testament the use of the word. And it means the same thing in the new testament. It is not peace. Jesus Christ said, I did not come to give you peace so the world brings you peace. What do you mean by that? Well, he said in the scholastic world, peace is absence of warfare for, tranquility forever. You know, the age of Aquarius and all that all that pagan stuff. No. No. No. No. No.
Peace is you have tranquility in the midst of madness. That's what God gives to men. Tranquility. Peace in the midst of a mad, mad, mad, mad, mad world. Weren't there five Mads in the name of that movie with Jonathan Winters,
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Mickey Rooney? Four. Okay. Mad, mad, mad, mad, mad, I think, with the palm trees that formed a w. Yeah.
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That's right. Well, that was funny because it's it's just getting in touch with reality. It is a mad, mad, mad, mad world. And how do you gain tranquility? The peace, as our common law says, the peace of every man is It's a Christian idea, a Christian reality. There's only one way to do it. Jesus Christ said, I'm the one that brings peace in the midst of madness. Yeah. So why is there war? Why didn't God stop the madness? I know this. He doesn't tell me everything. He tells me he won't stop it or he hasn't stopped it. I should say for right now, but he doesn't say why.
He doesn't say, but he says, here's what I want you to do. But I do know this, everything that God does whether you understand it or not is for one and the same purpose to glorify himself, to cause himself to appear what he is. Glorious, powerful, splendorous, magnanimous, loving, warlike, domineering. Yes. Domineering. The bible says that's what the word lord means in the old and new testament. He's the elodial lord to make him look more like what he is, and that's our job while we're here. And the way to do that is to submit to him. You don't I used to tell my children, we raised a pass with children. You don't have to kiss anybody's a double s. Nobody's, except mine and your mother's and that'll get you prepared to feel that way about the maker of heaven and earth.
Kiss the dirt to him. You know in our common law tradition we don't get down on our knees to nobody. That's that's an ancient doctrine in our common law tradition. We don't get down on our knees to nobody. Two knees. Two knees. You don't get down on two knees or beyond. You could fall on your face, get down on two knees before nobody but the maker of heaven and earth. I mean, even in England today, when the men are when the when the crown knights people, they are part of the common law tradition. They go down on one knee, not two. That's right. Just one.
That's an important distinction. And, of course, in America, we won't even do that. I mean, we take it further. No. We're not we're not bound to need an old man. Well, I think that's a good bible too, by the way. We pay homage. And we don't pay homage. Well, that's a figure of speech. We the bible says respect all men. Love the brotherhood. That's different. The brotherhood. Christian brotherhood. Fear God. Woah. That's even different yet. And then honor the king. Honor all men. Then on the other end, like two bookends, it says honor the king. Well, that's the same standard you're to give to every man. So what's the difference? There isn't any difference. That's the point Peter, the apostle makes. You honor all men.
Honor the king. He's a man just like you. But God the word yareth means all. Be awestruck. Oh, yeah. Like the folk there on Mount Carmel, you're kissing the dirt. The Lord, he is God. The Lord, he is God. You that that's necessary to your own dignity, friends. You don't have any dignity unless God gives it to you. There isn't any. Humble yourself under the mighty hand of God. He will lift you up. It won't happen in any other way. You try to do it some other way. You bootstrap yourself. He'll slap you down like a red headed stepchild and beat you like a rented mule. Beat you down. Oh, he didn't play games, friends. If he has to take you off the playing field and kill you, he'll do that too.
You see examples of it in history. And in the bible, we have clear examples of it. I'm fully convinced I've seen it in my own life. O over and over and over again, the wrath of God is constantly being revealed from the skies among men, says the book of Romans. I can see it. Let me get back to Apac. Let me get back. Can I, Roger, or are we? Yeah. Well, yes. Of course, you can. Well, I'll get back to what we were gonna talk about. But my experience
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That's why we love these Friday shows. Brent, we got some new folks who are hanging around like that. I don't know if they're are familiar with you or what we do here on these days. And, this is just what we do. We get off into these interesting discussions. Brent brings incredible historical and lexiconograph lexiconography, lexiconography, however you'd say that word on all these words, their real definitions, how they're applied, or how they should be applied. Uh-huh. And Well it's just wonderful. So that's one of the reasons we've been doing this so long is both of us enjoy it. Yeah. And I'm not gonna let Roger outdo me with big words here. I know some big words too.
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I know, like, hippopotamus. You heard that one before? I know that. Yes. I have. A few like that. How about anti disestablishmentarianism? I've heard that one. I've heard that one. Yeah. I can't spell it, but I've heard it. I don't think I can pronounce it. Well, I, want to preface what I'm gonna say here by saying that it's my firm conviction that the new birth of the spirit is the only possible way that any man I don't care whether you say you're a Jew, whatever that is. I don't think anybody can really define it except to say it's a religion. It's certainly not a race of men. That's that's silliness. That's historic silliness to say that at this point.
But it is a religion. I don't care who you are. The word of God is good for you, and it's good for me too because the more folk that feel cowed by God, with that are in awe of him and those that absolutely fear him in terror, and there are those two. It's good for me and good for everybody. Well, that restrains evil in this world. And without the restraint of evil in this world through the word of God, it would be unbearable, and we would destroy ourselves utterly at this point. That's what the Bible teaches. So whether a man is Christian or not, he needed the restraining influence of God's word. I'm quoting what the man that folks say is the greatest mind America ever produced, Jonathan Edwards.
He said, I don't know who the elect of God are. I preach to everybody because the word of God will restrain a man. It'll bring condemnation and guilt to those that are not God's elect. That's what he said. I'm quoting him. You can you can flesh that out if you want. I think he's right on that point. It restrains those that aren't Christian men and women and by condemnation, and it it guides to the peace of God to those that are born from above. They they hunger for it. They want it. Blessed are those that hunger and thirst after right headedness, said Jesus Christ.
That's fact. Well, so APAC. So I'm in politics. I can go down to the courthouse,
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got my bib overalls on. I do have No. Let me interrupt. For those of you who don't know, Brent was was, in that the Newt Gingrich contract on America period back in the year '94. Is that was that when it was? I started in politics then, and I ran
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three times because the folk I didn't know anything about politics. And the folks that said they would support me said, I'm not gonna support me unless you commit to at least two. And if you have two, three, run because you don't have any name recognition. It's all about name recognition. And you buy name recognition. That means you have to raise anywhere from 500,000 to a million dollars. And if you don't do that, you you don't run. That is stupid. You gotta have the money. It's what you buy. And you do it by, of course, learning how to how do you separate men and women from their money. That's what politics is all about. It's not about anything else, by the way, from the perspective of of politician. Of course, it's about other things, the doctrines and what is put into legislation. That's all important. Yeah. But for the politician, you gotta get into office to do or say anything. And all you're thinking about is, how can people like me enough to give me money? That's what it's all about, friends. Well, I didn't know that. I'm off the farm. I was out of the mining fields out west off the farm.
And, I had wanted to practice law, but I didn't have enough money to take the bar exam. In order to take the bar exam, you had, you have to take the preparatory course that has gained an absolute monopoly on passing the bar exam. And, the, the attorney general of the state said, Brent, you you're not gonna pass any bar. And he told me this personally. I was at on the campaign trail said, you're not gonna pass any bar exam unless, unless you take this course from the Barbary company. Because they send all their men from the company in to take the bar exams in every state every time the bar exam is offered. And they they're like they're incognito almost. They come out, and say, okay. Here's the questions that were asked on the bar exam. And then they have actuarial tables, and they say, okay. There's a 20% oh, over the years, you see. There's a 20% quest 20% probability this question will be asked and an 80% probability this question will be asked. So, therefore, put 80% of your study time and our course on this question and not not that question. And some questions they say, we're not even gonna look at this because it's never asked. It never has been. The chance of that question being asked on the bar exam of your state are zilch.
Well, I didn't have enough money to do that. So I had to try to get together. I think it was at that time $600. I had to have to take the course. I didn't have $600. I had six children. You can imagine how much it cost or what it cost or how do you feed six children, a wife, yourself? I had a couple of dogs. I didn't feed them cats. I probably had 30 or 40 cats at that time. I didn't feed them anything. I mean, if they didn't hunt, they didn't eat. I'd throw them scraps, which, of course, what my boys done anyway and kept them out around the corn crib and the grain bins, and the cats find plenty to eat, but you had to keep them hungry. And when I kept them hungry, that was easy. I didn't have it. I didn't buy them any dog food. And I in those days, I don't remember putting more than $10 worth of gasoline in our car. We had one car because I saved the other $10 in case of an emergency. I know that sounds crazy, but that's the way I was living my life.
And I I had, I was doing some legal work in the mining fields, and I was keeping up some men's claims. And that's how I got through law school, by the way. I wouldn't have got through law school if I hadn't taken care of the legal matters of water and and, land that tenancy on mining claims for other people. That's how I got through law school. I didn't have any money. I didn't have enough when I quit. The first year, I ran out of money. I had to quit. And then I went out and worked, as a geologist. And then I came back, and I had some work to do for minors. And I did that work and got two years later, I came back, got through law school. And, when I got out, of course, I didn't have anything. And then I was trying to scrape up enough money to take the bar exam. That that wasn't working.
In the meantime, I was still keeping up, mining claim for people. That's legal work, transactional stuff, water rights, that kind of thing, out west. But, if it hadn't been for me making garden and, venison, which people would give me for doing transactional stuff, venison, in other words, deer meat, they'd shoot deer, give me the meat, give me lots of meat, give me garden produce. I was raising garden. I was raising livestock. Neighbors, they or someone fella gave me a, sheep that I helped him worm one year and wormy sheep. That means you gotta take them, throw them up on her haunches, and shove a big pill down her throat with a special tool made for that. And while I had this sheep up on her haunches, she kicked a bucket on me.
You know, sheep are sheep are and goats same way. They're personable creatures. They don't want you to touch them, but they want to be able to see you. If they can't see you, they panic. Ours always did. They'd start screaming if they couldn't see me. Or goats. I had goats. Because I was milking goats, by the way, if I didn't have goats who wouldn't my children wouldn't have had any milk to drink. I was milking goats and making garden and raising livestock, and people were giving me things to do legal work. And I did clerk for a a state judge back at that time. Oh, there's a long story about how that happened. A small town. And I knew the lawyers, the local lawyers, and I knew the judges. And this judge let me an appellate judge, by the way, let me clerk for him for a year.
And that was good experience, really. I was writing he's gone now, so I can say this. He had me writing opinions. And, that's where I really began to learn how to write, and he helped me. And, he said, don't you ever tell anybody you're writing opinions because you don't have a law license. And I said, I know. But I've been through your law school at that point. He'd been nice to me. Fella had a limp. This old fella had a limp. I mean, really. He was, he went to Normandy on d day plus three. Third day after d day, of course, they went in on the waves. He said he was walking. 18 years old.
He was walking behind his company commander up a hill. And his company commander all of a sudden just fell down in front of him dead. Sniper got him right through the temple. And he said as soon as he fell down, he all of a sudden felt the awfulest, like somebody took a sledgehammer and hit him in the heel of his foot. Well, sniper killed the company commander and Corris calculated this is psychological warfare to wound men. You know, if you wound a man, you take more men out of action than than outright killing. That's where an m 16 was. Yeah. Yeah. Of course, you gotta have the corpsman taking care of you. You gotta have the other men, trying to get you to a corpsman. And so the sniper just started, of course, by the time he'd hit, hit judge Spit, he, he, the other men took cover, but he got two of them. Well, that he he limped, of course, the rest of his life.
And folk loved him. I did too. He he'd sit down, put his both his feet up on the table back before computers. And I was doing research for him in the law library in that little courthouse. And back when men smoked in the courthouse and he'd light up a cigarette and sat and smoked cigarettes and tell me stories. He I just can't tell you how much I appreciated him. Boy, that's a warm There's a warm scene you just described. Go ahead. Tell me war stories. Tell me about being a judge all those years. He said to me one time, Brent, judge being a judge ain't nothing or being a no. He said this. He was a trial judge for years, little little county. He said a trial is nothing but a swearing contest. It's all here.
A swearing contest. You swear one thing, the other fellow swearing another. And the the jury or the judge, depending upon whether it's a bench trial or a jury trial, has to decide who's telling the truth. He said that's all it is, Brent. And this so the discern discernment discernment as to who's telling the truth is the job of the jury in a jury trial. And guess who knows a liar better than anybody else, Roger? What would you say?
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Well, that gentleman probably.
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Well, I'd say a liar. Isn't that what we say? A liar knows a liar better than anybody else. Takes one to know one. Yeah. And, what what's the jury made up of? Liars. Just like the rest of us. We're prone to be liars. And we have lied, all of us, in different ways in our lives. Good and bad. For some say for good reasons, other for bad. We know. That's why we impanel the jury. We're not looking for experts. We're looking for the least esteemed among us. As the Bible says, when you impanel a jury, look for the least esteemed among you. Well, I I just learned a lot about law and, of course, doing that. Well, ended up and while I was running for congress, we raised over the period that I that I ran. I I I went into it whole hog. I I did a little few other things on the side, but not a lot. In other words, I was doing it on the side, but I was I felt like I was whole hog in the politics. And during that time, I had to go to where the money was. I had to get to known people known people. By the time I got to the end of my of my effort to try to get name recognition, the only man that had more name recognition in my 27 counties where I was running was Bill Clinton, the only man.
He had 97% 98 between ninety seven and ninety eight percent name recognition. I had 92. Uh-huh. And that's that's enough to get you elected. Sure. And that's all that that's all that matters. Well, as it turned out I had an international banker running again running again me and my final run which is the one that was really meaningful. And he had been a pretty young fella, and I had a a Jewish campaign manager. I'd had enough connections by that time going to Washington, DC. I had a Jewish campaign manager. His father was Jewish from Canada. He was a Canadian for you Canucks out there. And then his mother was American, and he lived in Chicago.
And I found out about him and helped another conservative run. He majored on conservatives. I loved the daylights out of him. He did me a good job. He's a sharp guy. But here's what happened, Roger. I may have told this story before, but here's what he told me. He said, Brent, we we do the poll numbers. And back then, Fabrizio, McLaughlin was the premier, pollster for the conservative side, which Republican side. Fabrizio McLaughlin was the name of the firm. I don't know if they're still around. And they did the polls, and they knew that in our state in our state, no woman would ever be governor at that time.
And so it was just a fool's errand to run a woman for governor. It was so impossible according to the polling. We did have a woman running for state treasurer and Judy, Judy Judy Barr, and she got in, but then she wanted to run for governor. And the party said that forget it. It's not gonna work. Well, she wanted to do it anyway, and she did it and lost. But the other thing, this this is a Jewish fellow telling me, this Jewish campaign manager. He said, Brent, no Jew will ever be elected as governor in this state. That's the polls. The way things are now, no Jew.
And no Jewish person will be elected, in your district for sure. It was a rural district for congressman. And they said, now this is just the facts of history. This is what he said. And this is the facts of the matter. People didn't talk ugly against Jews, in my congressional district, not much. It's kind of a silent thing, but they weren't gonna vote for him, a Jew. That's what they said. And the same thing, by the way, is true in countries like France. I talked to a fellow from France. He said, everybody knows he's this guy, he was working in in Reno, Nevada or not Reno.
Yeah. Reno. No. Yeah. Reno, Nevada, managing a restaurant. I met him. I said, what are you doing here? He said, I'm a French patriot. He said, I'm French military. I was a paratrooper and all that stuff. He said, I just couldn't stand it anymore.
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But it's the end of the top of the hour. Should I stop Paul and say who we are? I I our I don't think we have those folks with us today. I'm sure that's why mister Paul Hatton, jumped in. So, if you but we if you're gonna deviate and do that right now, which you can. Oh. We wanna peg because I'm I'm really into what you're saying right now. Okay. I'll just say this is Brent, Brent Allen Winters, commonlawyer.com.
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Commonlawyer.com. Go to the website and you can see what we do there. We offer classes. We write books. We have Bible. We've translated the Bible. We've got a whole lot of stuff. Look at them. And this is I'm here of course with Roger Sales who doesn't like to blow his own horn. I don't much like it either, but sometimes it has to be done on this platform. But, Roger Sales has a website too. Please say your website, Roger.
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The matrix docs. The matrix docs. The matrix.
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Excuse me. Yeah. You can see what Roger's up to and why he says what he says, and he has written a book on the subject. And you can find out why, why he believes what he believes. Well, getting back to what we were doing, this fellow said to me, Brent, this fellow run running against you. By the way, he he is he was funded and his campaign manager funded by, a senator from Missouri who would never talk to me, and I found out why. A senator who he wanted to be president, and he ran for president. And his name was, John Ashcroft.
And John Ashcroft was, a PK preacher's kid who held a bible study in his in his, senatorial office. I'd been to Washington DC dozens of times. He would not see me. You know the custom is. This is the unwritten custom. When you run for congress, you contact the congressman on your right, of your district, on the left of your district, above your district, below your district, and the senators that are in neighboring states. And you just put them on notice. Introduce yourself and say, just, courtesy, I want to let you know who I am. I'm in your party. No. You don't introduce yourself to people not in your party, the ones that are in your party. Well, that meant I need to go to congressman White in Kentucky and Hostetler in Indiana and and, the senator in Missouri and Indiana and and all that. I did all that. And I and then the ones who thought would support you, like Ron Paul, I went to Washington, DC. And every time I went to Ron Paul's office, he'd kick the door open, kick back, and say, talk talk to me.
And he never said a word. He just asked questions. So he and he supported me to the hilt, by the way. Every time I ran, he gave me the maximum of what law maximum of what law would allow. I had the pleasure of meeting and shaking his hand at a campaign thing in Atlanta one time.
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Really nice guy.
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Oh, yes. He's just a kind man from Gettysburg. I believe Gettysburg, Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania. That's where he's from. Well, and some of you that, maybe, did some reading on your own, but they don't teach you in school. That that was the turning point of that horrible war between the North and South was at a place called Gettysburg. Mhmm. Little village up there. Well, anyway, coming back to the point. So, Ashcroft would never meet with me. I couldn't understand why. I had worked for a man that had supported him when he ran for governor in Missouri. I had worked I had law clerk for a law professor at that time who was closely related to him and had sought this law clerk had sought appointment to the Supreme Court of the state of Missouri because governors and he was governor at that time, Missouri.
It was all in my neck of the woods. He was the governor of Missouri. He sought his appointment. And, so I was familiar with him. I'd met him, but he wouldn't have anything to do with me because his handlers said to him, APAC. APAC is what we call it. It's AI PAC. Back then, I don't know what to call it now. They said, look, you knock winners out. If you wanna be president, you're gonna we're gonna support you. You gotta do some things for us. You gotta knock winners out. And I want you to know again, Roger, to say to you, I never spoke about Jews. I I am not antisemitic.
I know what that means. No. No. I'm not. Semites are all over the world. The Arabs are Semites. I'm not an anti Semitic. The true Israel, wherever they are, they're Semites. They're sons of Shem, one of the three sons of Noah. That's means they're Semitic. I'm not like that, and I don't talk ugly about them. I'm very careful not to do that. I do, whatever I say about them. I try to confine it and I recommend this method to you. I believe it's biblical. Confine your criticism to Judaism, to what the Bible clearly says about Judaism, and the Bible has a lot to say. And then you you there's not no way to really attack you.
I I believe that's the way to do it. I believe that's what Jesus Christ commands us to do. You know, Judaism is the prototype of all false religion in the New Testament and in a lot of the Old Testament. What is Judaism? The religion of the Old Testament? Absolutely not. No. No. No. No. We don't call it Babylonian Judaism for nothing because it is the religion of the what we call the Babylonian Talmud. The Babylonian Talmud. Yeah. It's not the Bible. That's not it. And to understand that and they don't they don't know, and their religion doesn't teach much about the Bible. They kiss the Torah. They worship it like an idol, but they don't know anything about it. And then Jesus Christ said that. He said, you not knowing, not knowing, not knowing. Can I say that again? Not knowing the law of God, the Torah. You don't know it. It's not important to you. It's an idol to you as it is with them today. But now the Talmud, they know that. And that's not worth knowing much. That's dangerous.
I say that because Jesus Christ said that. I say that because Paul the apostle, when he said, I count all of that as human feces. And he had a four letter word for it that we use equivalent to our word today. What is scooted out of your body? Scudzo. It's a it's a Greek word. Dung. The, the old translation is dung. But it's human dung. That's what Paul the Apostle and he knew it better than anybody. He was their yellow haired boy coming up through the ranks real quick, the rising star. So what do I say? I say this. I say this. The the Messiah of Israel, the the the hope of Israel is not the holocaust.
No. The hope of Israel, whoever you define Israel to be, I don't care who you define it to be for this statement. For purposes of this statement, it doesn't make any difference how you define Israel. The only possible hope is Jesus the Christ. And he's the only hope for anything in God's creation. Period. End of paragraph. End of sentence. End of paragraph. Come back to that. That's where we should put our attention and, if you worship, whatever you worship, you will become more and more alike too. I don't wanna worship things that I don't like. I like Jesus Christ. I read about him. There's nothing more sublime in the world. Nothing more manly. Nothing more wise. Nothing more perfect in body, soul, and spirit than him.
And they that worship them shall be like unto them. That statement was made in the Old Testament about idols, deaf, dumb, blind, and stupid. Oh, I don't want that. Well, anyway, let me get back to the point. So I was running and, running against this fellow named Berg, b e r g. That made me laugh because Buddy Hackett used to tell that joke about a fellow that, was, he, was talking to a I remember the whole joke. He was talking to a Chinaman or something. Oh, and he was talking yeah. Chinaman. He said, well, you guys are the ones that bob bombed Pearl Harbor. Right? A Jewish fellow talking to a Chinaman. And this is a a Jewish man telling this joke. I think Buddy Hackett was Jewish. I don't know. I'm pretty sure that's correct. Yeah. Buddy and it was funny. And he said he said, I don't like you. You're you're the fellows that started World War two when you bombed Pearl Harbor. He said, wait a minute. I'm Chinese.
I the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. And this guy says, well, he goes, and that's all the same to me. All you Orientals, Chinese, Japanese, Taiwanese, whatever. You guys are the bomb the ones that bombed Pearl Harbor. He said, well, that ain't nothing. You guys are the ones that sunk the Titanic. So So what are you talking about? The China man never China no Chinese man sunk the Titanic. He said, well, as far as I'm concerned, you did. He said, Rosenberg, Steelberg, Iceberg, all the same to me. You're the ones that sunk the Titanic. Well, that's an approach to reality.
That is not reality. There are distinctions between people, and I don't want to be labeled as a racist. What is racism? That's another question that's never defined as you know. A good one. A good one. Nobody points that out. Racism is here's what I how I define it. For my purposes of my life, racism is withholding the word of God from a group of people because they have a different color of skin than I do. I'm not gonna do that. No. No. No. No. God says preach it to every creature and start with people that have two legs, two arms, and two eyes, and, look like me in that respect. You say, well, they're not the race of Adam. Well, whether or not they are, and I know there are plenty of people and who say they are not the race of Adam. I'm not gonna quarrel that with them. I'm just gonna say that they get the word of God just like I do. I'm entitled to it. God wants it to go out. I'm putting her out. And to not do that is racism.
No. No. That's racism. Now that's my definition for what it's worth. And I'm not gonna withhold. And God whoever they are, let's say that you say they're members of Adam's race. Okay. If they're members of Adam's race, God made them. Oh, they're not members of Adam's race. Oh, God made them too. Oh, they're demons. Well, God made them too. Are there snakes and reptiles? Well, God made them too. So the word of God goes out to everybody. And by the way, there's this is a whole, it has it it it requires more unpacking, but it is true. It is true that the trust settlement of God is with all of his creation.
And the Bible makes that clear when Noah disembarked the ark. And it's the the language there is clear. And that and that means the living creatures. But, you know, we had that what was that? Saint Francis Assisi. He was the one that was famous for preaching to the wolves. Remember? He gave barefoot in the snow preaching to wolves. They said, what? You're you're an idiot. People thought he was insane. Why are you doing this? Well, the Bible says, preach the gospel to every creature. Well, that's in a dubious verse that I would question whether or not it's in any manuscript of the Bible. Really? Really? Oh, yeah. It's gotta be in a Greek manuscript someplace, and I don't see that that's really the case, one that's reliable. But but he his point was or I take the point from that. The first principle is that it is true that everything and everybody and all creatures are entitled to the protection that the word of God gives.
And what will it be to me if I don't just say, hey, it's all out there. You guys want it? I'll give it to you. And to say otherwise is racism. No. No. I criticize, of course, false religion. Bible calls me to do that, especially in my position. I I'm gonna tell you what the Bible says is a lie if I can figure it out and feel confident about it. Well, coming back to the situation with these, this Jewish fellow, he said, listen to this, Roger. This was genius, and it's reality in politics. He said, this guy's name is Berg, you know, like iceberg.
But as far as I knew he was from a a settlement of German immigrants that were farmers. And I knew where the settlement was. And of course that's a German name. But Ashkenazi Jews have burg because they were from Ashkenazi culture. Correct. Yeah. You and Roger, you. Yeah. You get it. B u n b e. Yeah. Yeah. Well, he but I had as far as I knew, he was a Lutheran, because they were it was a Lutheran settlement. It was a Protestant settlement. It wasn't a Roman settlement. There are those two. You know, it's kinda like in Germany. They're they're in in as you go from Bavaria, there's all the Roman Catholic settlements and farmers, and you move into Northern Germany and Saxony, and they become more and more Lutheran until they're just nothing but pure Lutheran.
Well, there were settlements of those people in the Midwest, by the way. And they came down the Ohio River, and they settled in, on both sides of the river, and you can find them all over and then spilling over into Kansas and Nebraska and way on out there in Iowa and the Dakotas. And they're the German and Scandinavian settlements ended up in Minnesota. Some of them are Roman settlements of farmers, and some of them there are some of them are Lutheran. Well, I knew this fellow was from that settlement. And by the way, they spoke German in their churches at that time. They held their services in German.
Wow. But this guy said to me, this guy is a banker. He's an international banker. We wanna beat him. You wanna beat him? Yeah. I wanna beat him. Okay. Here's all you gotta do and you'll beat him. This guy understood these things and he assured me that I beat him in the primary. And I did. And there were five or six, three or five or six people running, I think. And, we were the two front runners because we were funded. And, he had a lot of funding from a lot of people, Ashcroft being one of them. He said every time you say this guy's name in public, which is Berg, always include the word banker.
Every time you say his word bird the word the name Berg include banker. And every time you say the word banker, always say Berg. And you won't have to say it, but everybody will be afraid that he's Jewish like me. And people won't vote for him. The polling is clear. This is the way politics works, friends. And I was being honest saying Berg the banker. Bank the banker Berg. Well, you know what Berg the banker says and then debates. And when I was in public, they'd ask me about him. I'd always say the same thing. The Berg is a banker. The banker Berg, Berg the banker. And not only did I beat him, and he was funded much better than me and had the endorsement of all the big shots in Washington, I beat him two to one right at two to one. Yeah. Well, that's the reality of politics. I learned a valuable lesson about all of it. I I understand, how people get all in office. You know, Newt Gingrich was very famous for a long time. He wasn't from Georgia.
He was congressman from Georgia. He wasn't from there. Nope. He shopped all over The United States when he got into politics to find a place where he could win the easiest and did the poll, spent the money, and that's where he ran. And he got in. He stayed in for a long time, became speaker of the house.
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I think I told you his, his Georgia office was it may have been four miles from my house where I lived there for so many years. Oh, yeah. I mean and they wanna make sure you feel like you know him. Well,
[01:16:14] Unknown:
I knew, man. I was at one I met went to one political meeting. I ran in my home county, in my home county, in my home district, in my home state. People knew me, and I found out as I ran 27 counties, Roger. People had heard of they hadn't heard of me. They knew my granddad. You wouldn't believe how many people I met that said, I went to school to your granddad, or my dad went to school to your granddad. My granddad taught these little one room school houses around our neck of the woods for twenty seven years. He knew everybody. One of those kind of guys, you know. Mhmm. Yeah. A democrat, by the way. Democrat. Ran for justice of the peace as a democrat.
But, that was the Kentucky side of the family. You heard me talk about that. But Iran beat this guy two to one. Of course, then the next question was, how do I win the other race? Well, we don't want to offend AIPAC if you can help it. And I've been never one to just I never talked about homosexuals and sodomites and lesbians and Jews and ape I didn't talk about any of that the whole time I ran for Congress. I never brought it up because it'd be stupid to do so. My supporters wanted me in office. And one thing and, Roger, you know or remember, Roger, you remember Pete Peters. We've talked about him.
One of the most enlightening Roger, you there? I'm right here. I just, listen. Yeah. Roger, one of the most enlightening presentations Pete ever made, there were two enlightening series of presentations that are telling just about reality. One of them is Pete's 12 presentations on the King James Bible. Those are worth listening to. He did a very good job. He studied hard. Okay. The other one is his presentations on Jewish power and his experience.
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With?
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Yes. And the well, maybe the reason I I listen to it. I'm not saying, as you know, Roger, that I agree with all Pete's, identity, theology. I don't. But I I like him for a couple of reasons. He's a he's a he's cowboy. I mean, he he grew up in the Sandhills, Nebraska, and he tried rodeo and he raised cattle. And and I a plow boy like me, I can identify with Pete, the way he talked, what he believed, just the humility of it, all the humbleness and how life beat the boy down and it beat him down hard. Yes, it did. And, I recognize that because he was and he testified to it. He was up against something he didn't understand.
No. He went through college and he he was a member of the John Birch. He loved America, and they said the pledge of allegiance, and he makes these points. And but he said, I didn't understand. I didn't understand politics, even though I did all those things. And he invited a man to come and speak at his church who had received a field commission in World War two, under general Patton. And he went on, at and with his commission and and the Korean conflict, he was the first prisoner of war taken in Korea. Long story, he was an an adviser in Korea to the, Korean military before before the war and broke finally broke out.
He came back to America and he began to lecture upon what he called, which Tucker Carlson's talking about now, Jewish power. And he invited this fellow to come and talk in their little tiny church in La Porte, Colorado. And boy, they came down on the the Jewish community, all the power they had behind them. And he tells his testimony of what happened. Then it ended with him being be gonna be called before a grand jury and face an indictment for the murder of a Jewish talk show host in Colorado. It really happened. His name was Berg too, by the way, the talk talk show host. He had nothing to do with it. And I don't I'm not convinced the people they sent to prison that died there had anything to do with it either.
But but the the through the power of the networking of that religious community, he was brought up, he was a target, a grand jury target for, conspiracy to murder. Well, he tells that story and that's worth listening to. But with me it it wasn't that way. It was just I was running for office and of course they the APAC, that's American Israeli PAC, wanted my support. What they do to you and they did these things to me as I ran. They they brought me into their they have a lot of organizations in Washington, DC. And they all said to me, listen. You get elected.
There are a lot of things that you're gonna need. And we have resources. We spend all our time here at different organizations. APAC was just one, that can provide you with information. And we and by the way, if you wanna go to Israel, we we we give you tours of the state of Israel, all expenses paid. Oh, shoot. How could you say no? Did I say no? Yes. I said no. Why? Because I had campaigning I wanted to do, and I didn't wanna get involved with whatever was going on over there. And I know in politics, I had this much figured out, Roger. Anybody gives you something, you owe something back. There's a there's a hook in there. There has to be, and that is the nature of life in general. It's not just politics.
Now there a quote. Yeah. That's why Bible the Bible says, Roger, getting back, I love the brotherhood. Love the brotherhood. There's no hooks in that. And you love them until you can't afford to do it anymore. And I've had that experience too. But I've committed myself. I choose who my who I'm gonna love, Roger. And that's an important an important relationship, and it needs a biblical definition to understand what that love is. And most people talk about agape love and all that, but really, what does it mean biblically? And I've landed, and I believe I know, and I like it. I like it. People oh, it's unconditional love. No. No. It's more than that. It's more than that. Is it unconditional? Yes. But it but how do you flesh that out?
I unconditionally love my children. They turn on me, they won't think I love them. No. The bible commands me to be that way. Your unconditional love demands brutality in just as many cases as not. And I've been involved in that all of my life. That's what God wants. God's the love of God here's what the love of God is. Is. The love of God is doing toward the other fella what the law of God says, whether you understand it or not, whether you like it or not, whether he understands it or not, that's the love of God. The love of God is not feeling warm fuzzies toward anybody. Now if you have that the warm fuzzies come to you, well, that's gravy on the top. That's a different word in the Old Testament, puleo.
But don't count on that. Love is doing what the law of God, the will of the sovereign, that's all through the Bible, cover to cover, lid to lid, doing that toward the other feller. That's what it is. Whether you understand it, know it, or like it. Oh, yes. Well
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Brent? Yes. I think we should stop and keep we could double back a little bit and talk about Pete and, Colonel Jack Moore. Go ahead, Roger. Because there are a bunch of people that don't know who these folks are, and they're very instrumental in where we are. Mhmm. Even though you never heard of them, this little preacher, Pat Pete Peters' website still kept up. Mhmm. It's scripturesforamerica.org. Scripturesforamerica.org. Brent referred to his, series. He used to have a show on, WWC, our shortwave at night. And, back when we the only place we could get this information was out of Nashville on shortwave, generally, before the Internet got really fully geared up. And, he had a I think it was a six part series called the King James only version.
I thought it was a dozen, but either way, it's good. Roger Well, he had a couple that preceded it that you could say were included in it, but weren't really on the point. One of them was a guy that was a biographer that did a biography of King James. And I wish I could remember his name. He'd done several on Woodrow Wilson and other people, but this guy, was I wonder how many in our audience know that King James was a was a homosexual, a screaming one. Okay? Well, yeah. The Scots called him Shamie Jamie. And he his mother, Mary Queen of Scots, he they he they made him watch her cut her head off.
And he went into a room. He didn't eat, sleep, eat, talk, or or drink for three days. And when he came out, he never spoke about it the rest of his life. Mhmm. That's King James. Okay? Mhmm. So, anyway, that's the kind of information that was part of that series, scripturesforamerica.org. The big problem with it is they didn't label the episodes or give you a description of the episodes. So he's got all of his shows and a lot of his other stuff up there, but it's like, you know, just, you're just taking a chance, go through them. I wish that somebody over there would find out and do what Paul has done is attach us to this archive thing that's attached to AI. Brent, you should hear what this AI generated thing refers to as a program.
When it goes back and describes a program, it's just incredibly accurate. Oh, I'm really impressed.
[01:26:01] Unknown:
We're experiencing the same thing in the legal community when we write briefs and do research. If you're willing to pay for it, they cost a lot. A lot of law firm firms don't have it, but it's accurate and reliable. Stuff on the Internet is not so much.
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But, Roger Well, thank you for messing up. Okay. Well, I I I wanted one more segment if you'll give it to me on my program here, and that is who you referred to as Colonel Jack Moore. You didn't give his name. I did not know that he was Patton's assistant. Yeah. Mhmm. Now see, I that's new information for me today. This guy was, as Brent said, the first guy captured in Korea. They, 12 times they sentenced him to death and told him he was gonna be executed. They'd give him his last meal, a cigarette or whatever, take you out blindfold you, ready, aim, fire, and the firing squad's, firing pins would fall on empty chambers.
Mhmm. You can imagine going through that even once. Mhmm. Finally, he would let it go. And, then when he came back, of course, John Birch Society was new. They were anti communist. He'd just gone through that ordeal with the communist. So he became their instant number one speaker of the John Birch Society. Mhmm. And he was so until one night in his hometown, about the middle of a tour, Little Rock, Arkansas. Mhmm. And, he first time that he brought Zionists and the Jewish element into his talk, and John Birch Society kicked him out that night. He when the sun rose, he was not in John Birch, and he wasn't on tour anymore.
Mhmm. So as for as many good things as those people do, they're kind of an eat, meet, and retreat organization. And and and and, you know, you'll never hear him come back on Zionism. Robert Welch, the founder of John Birch, was the heir to the Welch candy company. Mhmm. Little peppermint swirlies you'll see at this time of year. Mhmm. And, they gave him
[01:28:10] Unknown:
Gave him what, Roger? We we lost Roger or Paul, did we? Paul, are you there?
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Maybe I'm here.
[01:28:21] Unknown:
I'm here. Paul, keep it rolling. Oh, what a great guy. Oh, there you got him. There you got him. Hello?
[01:28:30] Unknown:
We're here, Roger. Okay. Yeah. We missed the last thirty seconds. We missed the last thirty seconds of what you said. You went you went dark. M o colonel,
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Moore, m o h r, and, Jack Moore was his name. And I believe he had a section on scriptures for america.org, and I'll bet it's still there. If you wanna follow-up on any of these things, p peters, this guy we've been talking about from had a church in La Porte, Colorado.
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And We have a new student in the classroom this morning. There's a new student in the classroom. Let's welcome her.
[01:29:11] Unknown:
There's some new students. We welcome everybody. Thank you. Pastor Pete was a pastor. He finally gotten into pastor. He crossed paths with a guy that influenced a whole bunch of our contemporary people. Get a little older in the tooth, Brent. Mhmm. And that would be Sheldon Emery Mhmm. Who spawned an awful lot of these identity pastors, Pete Peter being one of them. Mhmm. After that experience in this little his little church, La Porte, Colorado, Church of Christ, when Bill Clinton got elected and named Janet Reno as the attorney general, they named him the most dangerous man in America, Pete Peters.
[01:29:53] Unknown:
Yeah. Pete and again to stress, for myself, I don't follow the identity doctrine, and I have good reason for it. I knew a fellow once, a good reason, I think a biblical reason. But I knew a fellow once. I've met him and became acquainted with him. His name was Tom Claus, c l a u s c, I believe. And Tom was Mohawk Indian, And he used to say he ran. He was a Christian evangelist, and he ran a an organization. I forget exactly the name of it, but the thing I remember about him, among other things was, he'd constantly say, I'm proud to be an Indian by race. Said this too, salvation is not by race. Salvation is not by race.
Salvation is not by race, it's by grace and it's available to all of mankind. Whoever you think you are, the nation, the biblical nation of Israel, descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. God said that that nation is a nation of priests given for the benefit of all of Adam's race to to produce and deliver up for bloody sacrifice the Messiah of God, and they did. They didn't want to. They tried not to, And God said, okay. I'm I'll still get my straight lick with this crooked stick called the nation of Israel. And he did, and they did it. And because of Israel that's why Paul the Apostle says in Romans, be thankful for the nation Israel.
Whoever they are, be thankful for them. Yeah. And be thankful that they have rejected the messiah because because he said, in that they have rejected the messiah of God, you are given salvation eternally, eternal safety from hell. That's what Paul says. Now you say, I don't believe that. Well, that's what it says. That's what I accept. And I've One fellow said, I've studied the Greek text here where it says that, and you know what it means? It means exactly what it says in English. That's what it means. That's all true. Let's start with that.
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I think we might not be able to identify who Israel is. Uh-huh. Have ideas.
[01:32:33] Unknown:
Oh, well, yeah. Of course. We well damn sure guarantee you we can figure out who they're not. Well, that that's a good point, Roger. But Tom Tom made the point about salvation being by grace and not race. And we wanna stress that here. And when it comes to Americans, we're we're more mixed up than anybody in the world. I just going back to the little graveyard goes back four. In one case, it's five generations where my folk first came into the country where I grew up. And, in that mix is, well, more than I can look at the gravestones as I said, and I can say, well, I think they're from this country or that country because the names are obvious. I mean, if something says Mackenzie or Douglas, that's pretty obvious.
If something says, something says unknown, well, I don't, I don't know, but I have it on testimony about some of those folk. But is that the important point for me? No. No. Because I can't even prove it. Gravestones aren't conclusive either. But I have testimony from my family, but is that No. No. That's not the important point. The important point is that I God gets me down. I'm The the the laws of nature is God condemned me. And then I'm fall upon my knees, and then I recognize the laws of nature's God and the revelation of Jesus Christ and tells me about him and why and how and what he did, then I know I have salvation by grace. What is grace? Let's make it simple folks. I've read volumes on what grace is. I'm really put off by it. And I have read the volumes by the way, and a whole lot of other stuff.
Oh, it's unmerited favor. Oh, I agree. We got our classic preacher examples. That's not it. What is it? Let's give it the the English translation. Grace translated into English is the English word welcome. Welcome. And in the winterized version translation of the Bible, I translate it that way every time the Hebrew word Cain and the new Testament charis, every time I just say welcome. That's the simplicity of it. Because I don't care how bad you want what God has for you like Jacob clutching for it, wrestling God for it, and you gotta want it that bad. I don't care how bad you want it. In the final analysis, who has to say, come on in. You're welcome. You're welcome to come on in. Who has to say that? You? No. Him.
He's sovereign, not you. And it is the welcome of God that God uses to give us eternal safety from hell. And once you've got that then the law of God, the will of the sovereign, what he wants becomes becomes your greatest ambition to know it and do it. And then you do that. Well getting back to getting back to APAC. So my first introduction with them was I was invited to a gala, got a fancy thing in the mail, said all those that are running for Congress are gonna be there. You're gonna be there, and this is in your honor. And then, of course, it was gonna they were gonna put on the dog for old Brent. Well, that's what I shucks. I gotta go to Washington, DC. We'll have a table for you. We'll have somebody to come and reach you when you come in and on and on they went. And I went.
I took missus Brent with me, and I went in early. I was excited. All the tables were there with names, you know, the names of the people where they're supposed to sit. And it was not hundreds but thousands. It was a big place. I remember that, fancy place in Washington DC. We looked and looked and looked and finally found my name, and it was way in the back. And so mister and missus Brent sat down, And, everybody started coming in. The place started filling up. And not only not only were we in the back, there were two tables between us and anybody sitting close to us.
So finally there's one old handsome feller, white headed, handsome gentleman, a gentlemanly kind of fella. I say handsome, just looked like a man. Wasn't that he was movie star material, but he was manliness, you know? And he was at that with his wife and a few other people, two tables in front of us. And they started putting on the performances upfront about had to have a binoculars to see it. And he leaned over and said, hey. Had a deep southern accent. I remember. Hey. He said, you wanna come up here and set with us? We'll we'll pull his chairs apart and you and your missus can set with us. I said, okay. And I came up and he said, hello. What's your name? And I said, my name, Brent.
So what are you doing here? He said, that I'm running for congress. He said, well, I'm congressman so and so from North Carolina. I remember that part. And I'm head of the armed forces committee. And he said, do you wanna be on the armed forces committee? I said, yeah. I said, that'd be a good start, wouldn't it? He said, yeah. I think so. He said, we need men on the armed forces committee that with me that, don't want the armed forces to be transvestites and sodomites and homosexuals. He said, where do you stand on that? He said, well, I said, I'm from nowhere. I'm just, I grew up hayseed and I don't think that's a good idea.
He said, well, I don't either. And he said, matter of fact, this whole discussion, Clinton want to let all these sex pervert send. He said, I tell them where I come from. You you don't even talk about stuff like that in public. He said, that's how I feel about it. I said, I do too. He's I said, do you talk about it as a congressman? He said, no. I said, I don't wanna talk about it either on my campaign. He said, you get in Congress, I'll get you in. Well, now here was a congressman that was, had a powerful position in the US Congress funding of our military. And they had him sitting in the back, but not like we used to say they've shoved him. They've shoved me so far back. They'd have to feed me with a pea shooter. You've heard that, Ebony. That's kinda where I was back there in the back. Well, that was my introduction. And then they contacted me, wanna tell me what they do for me and how much they love me. And they got me in. I went to their to their, their organization. They had lots of them. I went to this one fellow. They latched on to me. It was a anti tax organization. I walked in the office and they wanted to sit down and talk with me, and they had their little skull caps on their heads. And one fellow set me down and I was walking through the place before I sat down and I saw a plaque with some Hebrew writing on it.
And I said, you fellas read this stuff? He said, yeah. We've all been to Bar Mitzvah. Now I tell you and my our listeners, if you go to Bar Mitzvah, that doesn't mean you know much anything. And you may be able to do the Hebrew alphabet, but that's about it. That's about it. They really don't know much about the old testament, as I've said before. And I looked at it and I just started reading it and I was showing off. I was showing off a little bit. Just a little. He stopped and stared at me. I said, I'll tell you what I'm looking for. I said, Juan, I said, I homeschool my children and I'm looking for an elemental book on Hebrew. Do you have one you would recommend? Because I want my children. I've got books, you know, that I read. I he said, you know Hebrew? I said, well, I can work with it. I've been studying it for years. I love it.
And all of a sudden, things got kinda cold. And I found out later, Roger, and I don't wanna spend any time studying it. I don't care and I don't it's a waste of my life. My life's too short to study the Talmud. But I heard later that if any body that's not part of their religious, their religious organization called Judaism. Yeah. If you it's, it's the death penalty. That's what it says in the Talmud. If you a non votary of Judaism like me studies Hebrew in the old Testament. Well, that's what I do. That's what I love to do. I've been doing it for over forty years. I love the, I love the Hebrew tongue and it's just what I blast onto early on for whatever reason, and here we go. And I've been doing it ever since.
I'm addicted to it at this point. I was addicted to it at that point, and they took a cold shoulder toward me. I wanna just say, probably they were a little jaundiced on that.
[01:40:52] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. I wonder why. You might be able to read all the trash that's in there?
[01:40:58] Unknown:
Well, no, no, no. I I I you make a point, Roger. What it is, my understand understanding now is if you really know the old testament, you know the scam they're running about what it says. You see the rabbis, especially in the middle ages with Muhammadis, and and the Masoretes, the Masoretes, They put their spin on the Hebrew tongue and the old Testament. And they have, they've been doing that ever since. They're not putting a Christian spin on it. They're putting Judaism, Babylonian Judaism spin on it with their vowel points and their, their interpretations. And, that's what the Talmud is. See, what they do, that's why Jesus Christ said in the sermon on the mountain, you have heard it said.
He said that over and over and over. You have heard it said, but I say unto you, you have heard it said, and then they'll quote something, an interpretation or yeah, some false interpretation of the old Testament. Well, why, why did he do that? Because, and then the people said after that, they had never heard a man teach with such authority. Well, why were they doing that? Because Jesus Christ as a member of the Godhead is the giver of the law. It's his law. He knows what's intended. And when he delivered the sermon on the mountain, what he is doing is giving you the true gloss, the true interpretation, the true application of the law of God that he gave to Moses.
What were the rabbis doing? That the Talmud is their interpretation of the law of God. And when he said, you have heard it said, and then he would quote what the rabbi say, he's saying that's false interpretation. I'm gonna give you the true one. That's what he was saying. Mhmm. And of course, he doesn't cover everything they say, but enough of it that you get you get the main points. And of course, then when you couple that with all the things he said to the pharasites, it became it becomes clear in first principle what the problem is. So the law, the interpretation of the, the Talmud is their spin. And it's a false spin, a false religion on the law of God. That's what they don't want people to know. That's why a man who studies Hebrew of the old testament without influence to the rabbis. I say to people, look, I even learned some of this stuff because, like all the vowel pointings of the rabbis, those things are okay. But there are a lot of things about those. Okay. That doesn't mean much. A lot of things about those vowel pointings of the Masoretes, the Masoretes as they call them, that may or may not be true. As a matter of fact, some of them clearly aren't.
And a lot of the doctrines and our interpretation of the Bible Well, we we get the gospel from the King James. Don't think you don't. Don't think you can't get it from the the nearly inspired version, the n I v as well. But they're still dangerous when it comes to really getting deeper into it. God's word comes through to us. Martin Luther wrote extensively. I'm not a Lutheran. I'm not a Lutheran. I don't want anybody to think I am. False doctrine. Well, Lutheranism today is malanctonism. It's not Lutheranism. Luther had a lot of a lot of solid, positions on the Bible. Had some false ones too.
But Martin Luther was an a pioneer in bible translation. And he wrote a lot about it. And the one one thing he pointed out, and this is helpful and he's right. When you translate the bible and spend your life looking at it, and he did, you see things that aren't right in a lot of the translations. But he noticed, for example, in the official translation of the Roman shirt, the Vulgate, he noticed that, the truth still comes out even where the translation is woefully lacking. God delivers his gospel. What is the good news of Jesus Christ? The good news of Jesus Christ is that you can't save yourself from eternal hell by following the law of God. That's the good news.
Cause you can't do that anyway. I mean you're too rotten. That's good news friends. Well, what else is good news? The good news according to the Bible is after he saves you from eternal hell by his grace, his welcome. Not by you commending yourself to him by being a good little boy or girl. Well, that's not it. It's because he says welcome. You've accepted the sacrifice for your capital crimes. You're in? Okay. Now what are we the good news is now that God has given us a law that may gives us an opportunity to lead decent life life here on Earth. That's the good news.
And without which life would be unbearable. The restraining force, you know, our ancestors, it is true. These folk that the identity people identify, you know, they say the Germanic Scandinavian and Celtic people and and related tribes. But these folks did deliver the word of God to those of us of common law culture. I call it the common law English speaking culture. God in his providence delivered those Oracles, those writs of God to us, the Bible through that group. Fascinating history. It's a history I focus my mind on because it's my culture. And then by the time it gets to America through the the From the North Of Europe to the island of of Britain and then to America, it explodes over here.
And to understand the culture of Christianity in America is the outworking, God's most recent and widest outworking. The first time in the history of mankind that there is a Christian nation by something other than official decree of government. That's America. Rent. The first somebody gonna say something?
[01:46:49] Unknown:
I think somebody would like to say something.
[01:46:52] Unknown:
Yes, sir. Could you please good morning. Could you please, spell and or define Melanchthianism?
[01:47:03] Unknown:
Well, there is no such word Melanchthianism that I've never seen. I coined that. But Melanchthon Melanchthon was a real was a real man, and he Melanchthon was Martin Luther's right hand man. Luther affectionately called Melanchthon my skinny shrimp because he was a man slight of build and small and Luther was a great big boisterous Saxon. And Luther's father was a coal miner who saved his pennies and bought his own little mine, a hard man, a hard German man, a hard Saxon man, as was Martin Luther. I mean raw, raw beyond what is acceptable in in mixed company today. That's Martin Luther. Martin Luther is the one that said every time I pass wind, and he had a word for it that was down to earth. Every time I break wind in Wittenberg, they smell it in Rome. That's Luther. He was constantly saying that Melanchthon.
But Melanchthon wasn't that way. Melanchthon was a, he was a, he was a bookworm and he was scholarly and he was more refined and and more restrained in his approach. And he developed after Luther passed away, he developed his own points of view on fundamental points and they weren't Martin Luther's. And that's the point. Those are the points of view about the sovereignty of God that Lutheranism follows today in almost every country where it is and it's all over. Oh, they have a a bent. They'll say, well yes, we believe the Bible's above all things, but they practice idolatry. Across the board. I call them visual aids to worship using the phrase of that fellow that wrote the book,
[01:48:45] Unknown:
empires of evil, Roger. Roger, you know his name. Yeah. I can't remember either. Tupper. Oh, Tupper. Oh, oh, oh, rulers of evil. Rulers of evil. Yeah. Tepper saucy. He he he's right. He's over the guy. One of the patriarchs of this movement you may never heard of. You can go ahead, Brent. But we had one,
[01:49:03] Unknown:
I like to have one word for one word in the Greek text or the Hebrew text to use at the an Anglo Saxon word to translate into my translation. But sometimes you can't do that. You can't If you say idle, well that's a Greek word, idolon in the new testament. It doesn't translate anything. It just transliterates the sounds of the Greek word. If you translate idol of the old Testament of some of the words there, gale, for example, gale, gale, well that means around thing, a three-dimensional, representation, an idol.
But what does that mean? What does the old Testament word mean? And Tupper says, well, he uses the word, visual aids to worship, but that's not word for word. That's visual aids to, for words. But that is what those words mean. A created thing other than the creator. We worship the God. As Jesus Christ said to the Samaritan woman, we worship the God that, is spirit. We don't see him and the bible said that Jesus Christ is the only seeable manifestation of godhead that of the godhead that our Godhead authorizes. And he's not here right now. Not here. He's coming back. He is seeable if you could see him, but right now he says I'm not here. I was here. Yes. He came, showed himself. We have the record of it. We can read about it. The word of God is ultimate in that sense.
But now he's not here. We worship the God who we cannot see. And if you think you've seen him, you're either deceived or a liar, if you think you've seen him. And there are people that say they have. Oral Roberts said, oh, I saw Jesus Christ. He was nine hundred feet tall and he told me to build a hospital down here dedicated to the eradication of cancer among mankind. Either Oral Roberts is deceived by demons or he's a liar because the Bible says that's not true. Well, if the Bible says it's not true, then why do people listen to him? Because the Bible's not their focus of Christianity and reality. That's why. Yep. And if it isn't, you're living in la la land and you'll get taken in by that kind of foolishness.
[01:51:18] Unknown:
They don't know the fundamentals.
[01:51:19] Unknown:
Yeah. They you have a you said Jesus Christ. Right, Roger? You because you don't know the scriptures. Period. And that's the the source of all of fundamental reality among mankind. But And you won't be sucked in. Go ahead, Roger. You know what? The there's a huge surge evidently I'm hearing about of
[01:51:43] Unknown:
people going to the Russian Orthodox church. There is. Uh-huh.
[01:51:48] Unknown:
Yeah. There is. I discovered that when I was on the radio. There were a group of students that would get together at Indiana State there in Terry Hope, before you have coffee in the morning before class and listen to my morning show. And they started calling in and I discovered they were having this get together. And of course I liked that. But then they started talking to me about the Eastern Orthodox church. And that was my first, that was ten years ago. That was fifteen years ago. That was my first introduction into the advance. And we have it also, the advance of the Greek Orthodox church and the Roman church in America. Here's what's going on. Took me a long time, but I think I see the cultural shift.
And the of course, the this kickback against the state of Israel. That's a part of the same thing I'm gonna talk about now. Amen. Amen. What it what it is, there's a generation of young people that are disconnected from from popular Christian culture. Popular Christian culture in America until this generation, 30 and under, was all about dispensationalism in the Scofield Bible. And we we all experienced it, those of us that are the older generation. And so we had this cultural connection through Zionism. That's really what it was. But for the people that may not know what dispensationalism
[01:53:03] Unknown:
is, one of those $10 words, the rapture doctrine. Go ahead, Brent. And and Zionism is is part of it. That's foundational.
[01:53:11] Unknown:
That's foundational to it. Even more than the rapture doctrine. But, but coming back, rapture by the way, rapture is in the bible. It's not a matter is there a rapture. That's not the the air. It's clear. I mean, it's so abundantly clear the words that you know the way you can interpret them. But the question is, what does that mean? What is the rapture? And and I don't know why in all of this, that isn't talked about, but it isn't. It should be. I like to talk about the rapture as part of what the Bible says is true. But what does it mean? Well, coming back to, the Zionism thing, no. They're disconnected. So they're saying, well, why are we doing this? And now they're searching. And whose fault is that? The older generation.
We really didn't explain the Bible. The Bible wasn't stressed the way it was supposed to. So now when the Bible is not stressed, what do you fill it with? Visual aids to worship idols. The Bible says you will. If the Bible is not front and center dominated in your consciousness, you will resort to visual aids and worship. And people say, well, I don't worship the statue of Mary. It's just something I use as an aid. That's right. That's called worship. That's what that is. Worthy ship, the old Anglo Saxon word. Worship is a contraction of that word. Worthy ship. If you whatever you con is consider worthy, a created thing that you consider worthy of your time and attention, you worship.
I don't care whether it's a dumb statue, a pope, a Supreme court justice, a philosopher, a throne, a bird. Maybe you like to look at tea leaves. Those are created things. That's called worship. And you trust what they tell you about the future. Remember the trust of God is about one thing. Let's narrow it down here. All it is, that all it can be is trust in him for the future, the unknown future. That's what God wants. He wants you to trust him for the future. That's the trust he wants. Trust him entirely. He tells you in his law what the future is gonna be. He said, if you do this, you get this. If you do that, you get this. Curses and blessings. It's one or the other. The law of God. That's why Moses has rightfully held the foundation of all prophecy in the Bible. Moses, the one that God, Jesus Christ took from the God head to Jesus Christ, delivered to Moses, delivered to his people, and here we have it.
The nation of Israel was instrumental in preserving it and keeping it even though the Masoretes added the vowel points and their twist on some of the things in the Bible. God said he would preserve the consonants. That's all there is in the written Hebrew tongue. And that's what they preserved. And they did a bang up job too, by the way. No question of the reliability of the manuscripts of the Old Testament. You know those fellas, those massaureths were so persnickety. Every if they did, for example, a a new copy of the book of Isaiah or Habakkuk or Nahum, whatever, or or Deuteronomy, they would have 22 of them of them be commissioned, each man commissioned for one letter of the Hebrew of the Hebrew alphabet. And those 22 men would each count how many times that letter occurred in that book.
And then another 22 men were chosen to do it again. Each man was assigned a letter. And then they recorded their count. And then another 22 men were reco were were assigned to do it again three times. And not until all three times the same number of consonant letters came up Was that manuscript of that Bible book commissioned as official? Well, if you get a different count by the time you get to the second group of 22 men, or you just throw it away and start over, you gotta get the same number of letters 22 times, 22 letters, three times. By 22 men, that's a total of 66 men.
By the way, there are 66 writings in the Old Testaments. I think that's, apparently consistent. That anyway, that's the number they chose, and they said and that's the policy of the master eats. By the way, Jesus Christ endorsed that policy of the masoretes when he said, every job, that's the smallest letter of the Hebrew alphabet. By hyperbole hyperbole, he said every job and every tittle, that's a serif, especially on the end of the letter daleth that distinguishes it from a kith. That's just one example. He's affirming the methods of the Masoretes, and they did preserve the old testament. New testament, we could talk about that same thing as much so or more. Much so or more. The reliability of the Bible is a veritable embarrassment, unfathomable embarrassment of riches, How strong the evidence is. Brent, we're right at the end here. I think we'll just, give your website and get out as much information. For those of you who are not familiar with this gentleman,
[01:58:22] Unknown:
I wish you'd do that, Brent. Good show today. Thank you.
[01:58:25] Unknown:
This is Brent, Brent Allen Winters, commonlawyer.com. Roger helped me remember. Next time, then I'll pick up on what else APAC did and my experiences.
[01:58:35] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. I wanna hear that. Brent Allen Winters, commonlawyer.com.
[01:58:39] Unknown:
Www.commonlawyer.com. Go to the website commonlawyer.com. Take advantage of what's there, the law school, Winters Inn. We've got about a dozen courses, common law courses. It's all about the laws of nature and the laws of nature's God. The laws of nature written, our common law. The laws of nature's God written, the Bible. Those two phrases taken from our declaration of '76 repeated. They were quoting, Tom Jefferson was quoting the Scottish enlightenment that recognized those two volumes of our common law, written and unwritten. And so our classes are all about our common law, common law courses. Right now we're teaching a course clause by clause and blow by blow. That's my favorite method. Whether I'm going through a book of the Bible to teach it clause by clause and blow by blow or declaration of 76, so we're going clause by clause and blow by blow. Join that course in appreciation of a donation. We want you to be there. We're teaching it now. We just started. Did the introduction to the declaration yesterday.
Why it's there, what it's for, and then we're gonna get into it clause by clause, blow by blow. There are other courses there. We have a course over 50 presentations of an hour and a half a piece, clause by clause and blow by blow, all over on Magna Carta, a solid stepping stone, the history of our common law tradition. We're gonna continue to do that. There are other documents we can teach clause by clause and blow by blow. Not to mention, we've been through several books of the Bible. You can join us on Sunday for that. On Saturday and Sunday, you can go to the website commonlawyer.com and see how we do that. We're also on a radio station in FM, I think it's FM, in Missouri where I'm going through the constitution of The United States, clause by clause and blow by blow and doctrine by doctrine and showing how it's biblical.
We're doing that. Other other, resources there, the winterized translation of the bible from the original tongue, the Koine Greek of the New Testament and the Aramaic and Hebrew of the older testament. Most of the older testament is in Hebrew with pericopes of it in the book of Daniel and a couple of and a few words scattered here and there, Aramaic. But Aramaic and Hebrew are the same tongue, just two different dialects. So that's not unusual. Usually, what's in the Old Testament as Aramaic are the official decrees of the Babylonian emperors. And the reason they put them in Aramaic, not much of the Old Testament, but the reason they're in Aramaic is to to be absolutely accurate as to what those emperors said.
Fascinating, isn't it? Again, accuracy is what it's all about. Well, you can get the winterized translation of the Bible in digital form and in hard copy. I call it a common layer comments. Some people or common layer translates and annotates. Somebody in Australia said this is the winterized version, so we call it that. I call it toward a raw translation of the Bible because I don't wanna cook the book, but deliver it up the way it delivered me in the original tongues. And then the the, comparative law text comparing and comparing and contrasting the only two traditions of religion, law, and government available to mankind, the law of the land, our common law tradition, Christian tradition, and the law of the city.
The code of Justinian, the canon civil laws of Rome, which govern every country in the world, most of them, by the code of Justinian of the Roman Empire, That code. And some of them by its principles. That's true. Islam governed by its principles, but not by that code directly. South Africa, governed because of the English influence, is under that code, but indirectly. But most all countries are governed by that code, the code of justice and in the canon civil laws of Rome. You can, you can learn about that. Commonlawyer.com.
[02:02:34] Unknown:
Thank you, Roger. Well, it's at this point, I'm thinking we'll see you next week. Next week's Thanksgiving. Hello. Brent and I always do a show on Friday of Thanksgiving. I can't remember what any year we haven't. So I guess we'll continue that tradition around here. So, if you're, able to during your Thanksgiving activities, wherever you may be, you can always dial in with us. We could start it out with you being in the APAC office and reading Hebrew off of a, off of a little thing on medallion on the wall or something. That's an interesting start. We probably remember that. So we've been off the air for a couple of minutes, and, we didn't have the outro today, which is okay.
Brent, does anybody have any quest Brent, you gotta go right now, or where are y'all? Hold on, boss. Hold on. Where where are you, Roger. I'm gonna sit here and eat. If you can listen to me munch, and I'll try to shut off the mic when I'm doing it. But I'm That's okay. I gotta get some sugar in my system. Well, I understand. I'm not too far behind you. I don't have missus Brent bringing me stuff, though. Well, which what do these gals have? What do these gals have to offer? Yes, ma'am.
[02:03:46] Unknown:
Yeah. I had a question for Brent. Sorry if you've, answered this before. I I have a great memory. It's just short. Now which which version, which text do you feel is more most reliable, Masoretic, or Septuagint, please? Hopefully Masoretic. Too long an answer.
[02:04:08] Unknown:
Masoretic. And all the Bible translations that are popular in America are from the Masoretic text. The Septuagint text is not only purely Babylonian Judaism, they're the ones that translated it, But also it's from Alexandria to make that sect of Judaism down there at that time was even further off than a lot of Judaism. So, you know, you can look at it. I have looked at it sometimes, but I I make a point of trying to stay away from it. Although I, I But just remember, and the important thing is the flow of the text more than some of us that are It's our job to take deep dives on parts of words and try to ferret out. And I've spent my life doing it. That's not everybody's job. And you If if you aren't trained to do it and haven't spent your life doing it, I'd say don't do it because you're wasting your energy. What you need to do is get the sweep and the flow of the Bible.
And that's what I said while ago, Luther said that a good translation will give you, and I can tell you translations that'll give that to you. The King James will give that to you. The New American Standard will give that to you. The Geneva Bible will give that to you.
[02:05:19] Unknown:
Now read them. The reason And I The reason Go ahead. Sorry. Go ahead. The reason I ask is because it's so the reason I ask is because it's so hello?
[02:05:32] Unknown:
Yeah. Go ahead with your statement. Oh,
[02:05:35] Unknown:
Yeah. The reason I ask is because it's so controversial, Brent.
[02:05:41] Unknown:
What is?
[02:05:43] Unknown:
The controversy between the Masoretic and the Septuagint.
[02:05:47] Unknown:
Yeah. It's a controversy that arises out of ignorance. People who want people to think they know something about it, talk about it, and make their choices. And, I I have no illusions I'm gonna change the stupidity of the conversation. But I do have I do have confidence to say and if I think I know, I'll tell you I know. I know. That's just foolishness, all of it. The Masoretic text is in the original tongue. The preservation Jesus Christ affirmed the preservation methods and from my perspective. And of course, I say that because that's my responsibility. It's my duty and I say it. If it's not in the original tongues, life's too short for me to even pay attention to it. There's some rare occasion I might know. I'm gonna focus on what God said.
And, that's a King James version, King James only controversy. It is silliness to put it into the English. In a Latin, it'd be absurd. Stay away from it. Well Just say, okay. You guys fight over chicken manure, fight over chicken manure, but there's no conflict here. There is no controversy. You've made it because of your ignorance. I appreciate
[02:06:54] Unknown:
I appreciate your opinion very much. Now one of the things they say about the Masoretic text is that it was written so much later than the other.
[02:07:05] Unknown:
That's not true either. That's not true either. The Masoretic started back smack back. They think, as many people do, that the Masoretes worked primarily in the Middle Ages starting in about the year June. Well, they did. They were very powerful at that time. That's true. They reached the zenith of their influence. But they started way back when the, when the, the septuangent was being translated in this second and third century BC before Christ came the first time. And that, of course, we can see that too in the Dead Sea scrolls. Those kind of groups were out there. You go to the Dead Sea scrolls discovered back in the late forties.
The scroll of Isaiah for instance, which is now enshrined entire thing. The entire thing is there. It tracks it tracks with the Masoretic text. See then you start putting these together and you begin to see, okay, there are families of manuscripts that have little little misspellings of words that are perpetuated for example. And that's the kind of things you can say, okay, it's in the same family of the Masoretes and the scroll of Isaiah is. That's one of the, you can see that one. You can go to the internet and read it. You don't have to go to, don't go to don't go over there. No sense to go over there. Going over there, you might get killed. Just stupid. They keep it stirred up and murdering people. Don't don't support them with your terrorism.
Amen. Well, any rate, that's my for what it's worth, my studied conclusion and conviction on the matter of the Masoretic versus the Septuagint. I have a question. And one more thing, Roger, then I want you to ask. The Septuagint gets increasingly sloppy, increasingly sloppy as you move from the first five books of the Bible. By the time you get into the Psalms, I say this from personal as a personal testimony. I've read through it. You get to the Psalms and it's just worthless. It's worse than new than the new American standard. It's looser than the living Bible, the paraphrases.
They just said anything they wanted. That's what people end up doing. They get cynical. Go ahead, Roger. What did missus Brent serve you for lunch today? Well, to start, I have a sliced up apple, celery, raspberries, cheese. She doesn't wanna give me something heavy while I'm talking because that can make me lethargic. Yes. And so
[02:09:25] Unknown:
I'm munching. You're okay. You're overbearing.
[02:09:29] Unknown:
My yeah. Because when your sugar's up, your brain works better. Yeah.
[02:09:33] Unknown:
Okay. Well, I'm just curious. Yeah. I know. Your brain has to have sugar. Does, anyone else have a question for rent real quick? If there's something I think that may be, Costa Rica calling. Hey, Joan.
[02:09:44] Unknown:
Yes. Hey. Brent, hey. You know, a lot of people call Christianity Judeo Christianity. Oh. And I want I wanted to ask you, Brent, what would you for a person who describes Christianity as Judeo Christianity, and they say they are a they're a Christian and and they preach Christianity, but they say they're a Judeo Christian. What would you say to them to help them be right minded about Christianity, about describing the word Christianity or yeah. That's good enough. Thank you.
[02:10:41] Unknown:
Are you there, Brent?
[02:10:44] Unknown:
Yeah. I was I was waxy and eloquent. You didn't hear it. The battle among God's people and the battle of Christian in Christianity is for the dictionary. Fundamentally, that's why Roger and I, we all the years ago, we all this is the Tasmanian word association hour. So it comes down to words. We're both word men. Yeah. So Judeo Christian was unheard of until after World War two. Is at is to give us the feeling that there's a connection between, Judaism and Christianity. Is there? Oh, did what did Jesus Christ say? He said, well the bible says that, this is old testament. He quotes the old testament a lot, especially the book of Deuteronomy.
He says that there's, light and darkness have nothing in common. There's no commonness. The old English word is fellowship. That means they share nothing together, light and darkness. And how can two walk together if they're not agreed? If one man says Jesus Christ is up to his chin, his his jawbone and boiling human sewage, and that's Judaism, that's the Talmud. And the other man says Jesus Christ is despot Lord of the world we're supposed to worship. How can, how can two men walk together if they're not agreed? I don't agree with what they say. They don't agree with what I say. I've heard Ben Shapiro in an interview with John MacArthur say per near that. I mean, he didn't say it that way. He said he was a misguided revolutionary who got him, got his dumb butt killed.
That's blasphemy. I'm a word man too. How many word men in the class? I'm not done yet. I'm not done yet. I'm not done yet. I'm not done yet. I'm not done yet. That's blasphemous. And so what Ben Shapiro said is blasphemous. And anybody who would even entertain that idea approved their apostasy. Let him be blessed forever. Amen. Let Jesus Christ be blessed forever. God forbid, Meganeta, all the apostle says in Romans. That's the strongest negative there is. Anybody that would challenge the absolute sovereignty of Jesus Christ, Meganeta. That's almost like cuss words, but not quite. That's a strong negative. The strongest available in the Greek tongue.
Well, Judeo Christian was a concentrated attempt that was akin to the attempt to make us say gay. That took millions and millions of dollars to get us to say that. People wrote books about it. To buy a gold fine word. Yeah. To change it to get us to say gay instead of saying sodomite. Well, now everybody's saying it. By the way, there are firms out there that can control that narrative and make that happen. I found that out when I was in the tax movement. A long story. Well, we had a meeting with a Jewish fella by the name of, Aaron Russo.
[02:13:47] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Freedom to fascism.
[02:13:49] Unknown:
Aaron. Yeah. Aaron is the man that made Eddie Murphy famous. He's the man that made Bette Midler famous. He he was in show business. He used to own a big nightclub up in Chicago. He's passed away now. And then he did freedom to fascism. And when he did that movie, I I was, an alternative. The other fellow couldn't come, so they called me and asked me, you wanna come and review this movie? Aaron Aaron is putting this movie. And we met in Dallas, not at a fancy old hotel not far from the plaza, I remember. And I met Aaron, talked to him, and and, stories I could tell there about the clash of his Judaism with the people that were there at that meeting. There were only about all 15 of us there, but some of them were hardcore Christian men. I didn't say much. I wasn't just an alternate. I didn't feel like I put the thing on, but I learned a lot.
And Aaron was right headed about a lot of things, but he couldn't understand and he had a hard time understanding why it was important not to offend Christian people. And there were some things in that movie that offended some of the men there that were hardcore Christian men in the tax freedom movement. And they were lawyers. Most of them were lawyers. And they said, I don't think you should put that in. Well, Aaron met me in the back when we I get in a cup of coffee and he said, what is it with this guy that says that can put I I shouldn't put that in there. I don't remember what it was. It wouldn't amount to a lot, but I understood the fellow. I'm a Christian man, so I understood his sensibilities about what was said. Aaron did not understand. Could not understand.
As the bible says, he couldn't. It wasn't his culture. Well, again, I'm trying to make this point. Aaron Russo, like everybody else is entitled to know the truth of the bible and the gospel according to God. And, we've some of us tried to mention some of these things to him. I don't know that any of it took but this the object isn't that people listen to me. My object from my my orders from my God are that I say it. That's my object. Yeah, baby. Yeah. I'm I'm Whether or not people listen, the board of God goes out and it does not return void. It'll either send the man, it'll hurry him on to heaven or send him to hell, But it will not return void. That's what that means, by the way. God is the God of all providence and judgment.
Jesus Christ has been the the Godhead has delegated all that to him in heaven and on earth. Judeo Christian is invented. It would we say, let me just ask you. Would you say, would you be, willing to use the word Islamic Christian? Is there some, are there some things in common between Islam and Christianity? Well, they claim that Jesus Christ is a prophet. Oh, yeah. Be that's from their connection in back in the second century with, a monk, a misguided monk named Notorious who befriended Muhammad. Not the second century. No. No. Notorious was in the second century. The monks that arose out of his followers, some of them contact came into contact with Muhammad in the sixth century, in the seven hundreds. Isn't that when he lived, I think? Yeah. I think it is. But they came in contact with him. And so he he was willing to say through their influence that Jesus Christ is also a prophet on the same level, but not quite as high as Muhammad.
That's blasphemous. But are we willing to say through that blasphemy that, there's such thing as Islamic Christianity? Because he connected himself to that sect of Christianity, which was they were they were not Christian although they thought they were. Long story about what we call Nestorianism. But getting back to the point here friends, are we willing to say Islamic Christianity? Well, if we're willing to say Islamic Christianity, are we willing to say Jude Judaism Christianity?
[02:17:57] Unknown:
How about Buddha? How about Buddha? Buddha, Christianity?
[02:18:00] Unknown:
No. There is no fellowship between light and darkness. Now that's on the testimony. Not of me, but of Jesus Christ. Go written friends. I'd said this one time. I wanna say it again. Maybe put a different twist on it. Not a different twist, a different assignment. Same thing only different. I had said a long time ago and some of you did it. I said take the book of first John and read it in one setting every morning for thirty days. First John, one setting five short chapters for thirty days. And some people came back and said, I did it. Now what do I do? I said okay, take the gospel of John. It's 21 chapters divided into three sections of seven chapters each and read the first seven chapters every morning for thirty days. And when you get done with that, read the second seven chapters and so on.
And if you do that with chunks about that big, you will have read the whole new testament in thirty days. I say that, having read I used to hand this book out, Roger, by a fellow named James m Gray who was from our neck of the woods down here. He was a a song a song leader and a Presbyterian church South Of Terre Haute. He ended up being a professor at Moody Bible Institute and he wrote a book called How to Master the English Bible. How to master the English Bible. How do you do it? I'll tell you how to do it. Most of you speak English. Master it in English first.
Get a translation of the Bible that give you the sweep and flow of the Bible that you think is reliable. Now I've given you three here today. And don't use any other translation. Because if you use any other translation, make your choice and stick to it. If you use any other translation, it will hinder your ability to remember and know the Bible. You've gotta stick to one translation. We have a language barrier here and I'm talking about how to overcome that barrier and learn the language. I had a professor when I was in school. I sat in front of this guy for hundreds and hundreds of hours.
He was a Scotsman. His name was Donald McDougall. Donald McDougall. I can't say it like him. Being American, he used to say to me, McDougall. He used to say to me, you know, Brent, I have one thing about I don't understand about you Americans. I said, what is it? He said, when I got here, I didn't know what a a pothole was. A pothole. I said, a pothole? He said, yeah, you guys got potholes in your roads. Oh, I said, you mean a pothole? Yeah. Yeah. A pothole. Well, in, in, in English and his English, he'd never heard the word pothole. He married a girl from Oklahoma and she got to talking about how bad the potholes were in the road. And he said, what?
See, they would say when they heard it, they would say pot hole. They separate the two words. Uh-huh. But in English, we we slur them together. We say pothole pothole. Oh, he was a linguist, by the way, that was getting a PhD at, UCLA. So all of these things fascinated him in the extreme and the Bible translator, Donald McDougall. And he would, say to me, he would say to me and he'd been studying, Greek etymology for years. He'd say Brent, every morning I read the bible in English every morning. I said, why? A guy that knows it as well as you because, you know, once you know the Greek tongue and once you know the Hebrew tongue, and he was more focused more on Greek, once you know it, you can't help but stop and analyze it.
When it's like I I was a geologist before I did these other things, all this lawyering and all that. And I worked out in the gold fields out West and being a geologist ruins the beauty of rocks. Cause I used to look at rocks, say, man, that's a pretty rock. Now I picked her after that, I started pay after I went out there and worked, I'll pick a rock up and all I could do is analyze it. That became a very cold hard fact to me. Didn't have the beauty in it. I've watched men. I've I've been in the oil field where they've had Gushers. And their driller, who is as much a money promoter as he was a driller, when that oil started coming down, he just took a bath in it. Yeah. And he wanted somebody to grab their Instamatic, start taking pictures of him soaked with oil.
And that was fun, of course. But the geologists never could get into that and I knew something that they'd stand back and analyze the oil and look at it. And, well, that's the way it is with If you learn the Greek tongue and the Hebrew, you Soon, you've got your face shoved. Your face and your eyes are shoved right into a leaf. And all you can see is the veins of a leaf. And when you do that, you're not looking, as they say, you missed the trees for the forest. Yeah. Missed the forest rather. Missed the forest for the trees. And that's what happens. And he said, I have that problem. And he'd been at it for years and I can testify now after all these decades, I have the same problem. And so I tried to try to try to take time to read the Bible in my own translation. I stick to my own translation and I recommend that translation to anybody that's serious serious about the Bible.
So people say, what translation should I focus on? And get the sweep and the flow. And McDougall used to say to us, he say, men, you got to get the sweep and the flow. If you don't have the sweep and the flow, you've missed the whole point. So don't neglect to read the bible in your native tongue. And our native tongue is English. What was the what was it? F. Lee Bailey said he went to school. He was that trial lawyer during Oh, yeah. Yeah. And he used to say he used to say he had a professor in school from England. And the first day he went to class, the fellow said, now if we can manage to get over the barrier between us of our common tongue, maybe I can communicate to you. Right. Well, that's the way McDougall was. He he spoke what's called Braid Scots.
Braid Scots is a dialect of English. It's not a Celtic tongue. You know, we Robbie Burns did not write his poetry in a Celtic tongue, he wrote it in Braeds Scots which is the English dialect of the Scottish people. A fascinating tongue in its own way, a lot more earthy, a lot rougher, it's kinda it's like English. Matter of fact, the dialect we speak in America of English has more of Scots pronunciation in it than any other dialect of English. And the reason for that fascinatingly is country music. And it came from Northern Ireland because the Scotch Irish, they're Scotsmen that migrated to Ireland. And those are the ones that filled up the Eastern mountains and seaboards, and then poured into Ohio Valley and coming across and all that stuff. Yep. Mountaineers without mountains, they call them, and that's the world I grew up in. But the dialect is, I listen to preachers from, I'm talking Presbyterian preachers from Northern Ireland.
I can really understand them easily. Now that's a little different than the raw braided Scots of Scotland. But our dialect has morphed more into the Scottish tongue of the people from Northern Ireland more than any other dialect and this after world war II, it spread. It was in the Ohio Valley. I like to listen to Jonathan Winters and far, I don't know that I'm related to the guy, but I don't think I am probably who knows, but I listened to him. He has more of that than about anybody I've ever heard. Jonathan Winters, he's gone now. He was my dad's favorite favorite. Well, wait. Jonathan Winters.
What he did was he would and he's I've heard him say this. All of the characters he did were people he grew up around. And so when he talks about Elwood Suggins, Elwood Suggins, well, that was somebody that he knew when he was growing up. And, when he talks about Elwood and he goes into that dialect and I know where he was from, he was from North Of Louisville and there on the Ohio side, he would fall into all that. It was natural for him, But that's the dialect that has now after World War two, country music, it's it's spread like gang not everywhere. Not everywhere, but it spread a lot, a lot. Yeah. Around the world for sure in many instances.
[02:26:40] Unknown:
Can I address Jones, no question? Fair, I know you're out there, Fair, so I'm gonna address you in a minute. Joan, you've heard us talk on here about, oh, the the the who's the guy? The guy you debated against the constitution now. Ted Wyland. Pastor Ted Wyland, the guy Brent debated on the constitution a few years back. He's got a a website called missiontoisrael.org. And the the the he's got a book on there called God's Covenant People, Yesterday, Today, and Forever. And what that book does in the the majority of the book is taking things like your question of Judeo Christianity, and he devotes a whole chapter of quotations to it.
And half of the quotations are from Jews, and half of the quotations are from Gentiles. And then you can read all those observations from all those people. It's got a index in the back where you could put in and look at, say, Judeo Christianity. And it'll show you every page of the whole book where it's mentioned in some quote. And the whole book is these really, after the first five pages, are these Christian versus Jew comparisons with quotes. K. It's a excellent book. It's only about $10. For the, paperback, I'd highly advise you look into that if this issue interests you. Not this, but the other Jew Jew Jewish issues. And his, let me give his website again here, missiontoisrael.org.
Very prolific writer. And and in that one, on that section of Judeo Christianity, there's a quote on there, Joan, from I don't remember who the quote's from, but I can just about paraphrase it for you. He said, Judeo Christianity is the greatest public relations coup of the twentieth century. Yeah. The Greatest Public Relations Coup of the twentieth Century. So if you want more, any of you in the audience, that's a very impactful book. Boy, it's it's real easy to use because it's got that index in the back. Anytime anything comes up, you go back there, find the word, boom. Here's where it says something about it. Bam, bam, bam. It just takes you right there. K? So, highly recommended. But that's the one answer I remember, the greatest public relations coup of the twentieth century.
K? Now, Ferris, you're a word man. You were gonna come up. You've got a guest on here on the show today. Obviously, you you brought we now I'm gonna give you your reign a little bit, but be nice be nice.
[02:29:40] Unknown:
Go ahead, Farris. You can talk now. Unmute yourself and
[02:29:51] Unknown:
talk. Don't worry, Ferris. Say we don't say we didn't give you an option. K? The opportunity. Well, I'm trying can you hear me now? I'm hearing you now.
[02:29:59] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, yes, sir. We hear you. With all the obstacles that your staff excuse me. May I speak? No. With all the obstacles that your staff froze in my way,
[02:30:09] Unknown:
I I you're calling on me, and I can't get to you. Do you understand what it what it I had your I had your line open, Ferris. Ferris. I had your line open, Ferris. Ferris, you're starting You wanted to make a comment. You're starting off on a real bad foot. Here's my comment. You wanted to make a comment. I opened your line so you can speak, and all you do is come in here and bitch. Knock it off. I'll be say something constructive
[02:30:34] Unknown:
or go away. I'll be nice. You gotta guess. Be nice. I'll be nice if you shut up. I'll be nice if you shut up. I'll be nice if you shut up. I'll be nice if you shut up. Okay? Well, I'm talking about word men. You know? You're a man of
[02:30:47] Unknown:
I didn't touch it.
[02:30:49] Unknown:
Somebody else kicked him out. It wasn't me. It wasn't me. Someone else kicked him out. But that's okay. He's got he's got two connections to the room. He can unmute the other one, and he can still talk.
[02:31:03] Unknown:
The obstacles that you go through here are self made. Can can you hear me now?
[02:31:09] Unknown:
May I say the following? Let me say the following. Word men are few and far between because it takes the kind of education that Bren Allen Winters has, that, that Roger Sales has, that Ferris Freud has, to be interested in words. And we're it's so difficult to get through to the to the sheeple with regard to the importance of every letter of every word and every dot and every tittle. Brent Allen Winters talks about dot dots and tittles. We're we're down to the the preciseness of language, which is important, but I would like to welcome the new, member to the classroom today, Patty from Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. She's arrived in Paradise after brief stays on the coast of California, at times living on a in the, on a boat in California, then to Las Vegas, and now she has finally arrived in paradise, which is Myrtle Beach, which is the most moved to place in the world.
Repeat. The most moved to place in the world
[02:32:18] Unknown:
is Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. The most moved to state excuse me. May I ask What does no. No. What does that have to do with what we talk about? And if she wants to come in here, she can press 6
[02:32:30] Unknown:
and Hey, Patty. Welcome. Fridays are unusual because Brent's here. Normally, I'm the solo guy here, and it's on research that I've done for the majority of my adult life on getting you free from the system. If that interests you, come back. And and I hope you got something Patty's a bible
[02:32:49] Unknown:
enthusiast. Patty's a bible enthusiast. Lovely lady. And, also, we're starting a new, what is it? It's a Rogers sales listening room in the city of South Carolina because so many people are moving in here. And it's not funny. You question the merit of what I say, Paul. Paul, I question your qualifications to question what I say. Let me give you a reason why I say what I say.
[02:33:22] Unknown:
What is your name? I don't wanna I don't wanna hear what you said. Because I don't want you to talk, Ferris, because you you said shut up. That's not allowed. I don't want you to talk anymore. I'm Ferris. You gotta have some decorum here. You're not following us, so you get out. We got a two hour tell us to shut up. And when we stop, start talking, you stop. That's the only way to make this work. Alright. Sorry. There's a lag. Follow that. So that's the end of it. And there's a lag.
[02:33:49] Unknown:
Alright. We've been on two hours. We're in about halfway through the third hour. Brent's already lunch. I haven't. There's Larry. Yes, sir.
[02:34:01] Unknown:
Yeah. I wanna go back about an hour ago. Brent was talking about the word love in the Bible, and, I believe the King James translators translated that the word charity correctly, especially in the great love chapter, first Corinthians 13. It's my understanding that there's three different words in the Greek language for love, and they chose to use the word charity because the love that they're trying to describe, especially when it comes to Christian love, is when we when it's when the Bible says we should have love for the brethren and, you know, love one another, I think charity is the appropriate word because charity describes love in action, kinda like our modern day idea of what, you know, you're involved in a charity. You're you're actually doing something for someone else.
You're trying to meet their needs. And so, I think they again, I think they translated that word correctly. In, you know, in modern times, we just throw that word love around like it's like it's just it has, like, a general meaning. Like, we could say, I love my wife. I love my children. And then at you know, in the next sentence, we'll say, I love to eat ice cream. And so, you know, there's no there's nothing to distinguish the the word love in our in our modern language, in the English language, whereas in Greek, you know, they had different words for different kinds of, you know, for different forms of love.
So I was wondering, Brent, in your translation, the Winter's edition, did you, kinda retain that? I've never looked at what you what you wrote in the, the Winter's version of the Bible, but did you kinda retain that same meaning for love
[02:36:11] Unknown:
in in different places like I just described? Do you have a copy of the Bible? Do you have a copy of the winterized version?
[02:36:20] Unknown:
No. No. I'm probably like to get one.
[02:36:24] Unknown:
Oh, you need to get one then. Now I would wanna give it away, but let me say this about it. I appreciate your willingness to try to be accurate about words, of course, but are you a King James only guy?
[02:36:41] Unknown:
And then, you know, I realized that see, the I used to be years ago involved with with churches that were to the to the belief that, you know, the King James Bible is the word of God. It is, you know, every word is exactly what God says
[02:37:04] Unknown:
to be But can you answer my question? Or if you can I I wanna hear your your story, but I wanna know first with what you tell about your experience? Are you King James only?
[02:37:16] Unknown:
No. No. I'm not that, but let me just let me preface that. So I used to be King James only, and I was taught in churches that, you know, even even the, the insertion of the the paragraph numbers, you know, the verse numbers was inspired of god. I was taught that. I was kinda in the middle as far as whether I wanted to believe that or not. But, anyway, you know, I've been in Rutman churches and I'm not anymore. I mean, that guy was an extremist. He believed in double inspiration, you know, that the King James translators that's something something, you know, that was of God came came upon them and and, that's how they were able to come up with the King James version and he he taught that, that the, the English King James version Bible actually corrects the Greek. I don't know if you've ever heard that before,
[02:38:16] Unknown:
but that's what he used to teach. I've listened to I've listened to Peter Ruckman for hours. So when you start talking about not because I agreed with him, because he fascinated me. He's he's fascinatingly Oh, yeah. Dead dead wrong at the fundamental level. But and he's offensive beyond anything I ever saw. But I'll tell you something else about Ruckman that I noticed and maybe you have too. Ruckman is a master communicator. And when he does his chalk talks and just tells his story and draws beautiful pictures with chalk, he's very good at it. He's developed community Oh, I know. Communicative skills. Yeah. You know him. You know, but let me say one more thing. I'll tell you, I saw him do a a debate with a Roman Catholic fellow that said he was a scholar. He wasn't. On the authority of the bible, it was monitored by a fellow who was who still pastor. I've met his wife, but I didn't meet him. I did a funeral where he pastored a church out in Colorado.
He's kinda well, he's not retired. I wish I could I thought if I talked long enough, I could remember his name. He's King James only. He moderated the thing. This had been back in the eighties and never have I heard a man speak more clearly about the authority of the bible and with more knowledge of church history and translation. He's educated to the task. As as Dan Wallace said, he's the only man in the King James only movement who is qualified to understand the difference, but he makes the wrong choice oddly.
Maybe he Who knows why? But it seems odd to me, I say this to you then you can go ahead and explain your experience. Why would a whole group of men who claim to be men follow a woman? A woman who wrote a book about the King James Bible and I I didn't, I, I'm not I am saying this about Ruckman too, about the kid called I think it's called New Age Bible Versions or something. And she's not she doesn't know, beans from sour apple butter about it, but she makes herself out to be the expert. Kent Hovind follows this woman. Why? What's going on with these guys?
It's not sensible. But now that I've said my piece and you know that I understand what you're saying, you don't have to explain everything about Ruckman when you talk to him. Hey, I might know more about him than you. I don't know, but I know quite a bit and I have a lot of friends like you who follow him and have over the years. He's deceased now as you know, but go ahead with your comments.
[02:40:48] Unknown:
I've actually sat in front of him, like, no more than 10 feet away, you know, several times in the past and, watched him do his, his drawings. And he's he's a phenomenal artist and, very good communicator like you said. But, yeah, he's he's got a lot of things that that he, promotes that just, you know, I never I never agreed with them, you know, even when I was kind of partially involved in some of those churches. And, but anyway, what what changed my mind is I started to realize that the King James version was like anything else. It's a translation And, you know, the men are men are gonna create and make errors, you know, and just like we talked about and I I don't know if you ever got a chance to look up that that verse that we talked about last week, but it goes on to say that the steps of a good man are ordered of the Lord and that word good is not in there. And so it's it's little things like that that I start to realize that, you know, it is a translation like any other translation.
I think it's one of the better translations, but, you know, these guys that go around, like, you know, preachers like Ruckman and say, you know, this is the most accurate translation or this is the word of God. There's no mistakes in it, and they and it corrects the Greek and even even the the like I said, the the, the verse numbers are inspired of God, you know, and the way the the lettering is, it's, you know, the the words and the word order. I think, I remember him saying one time, for example, there's a verse, in Genesis, the fur it's the it's the verse where it shows the first time that sin shows up and there's 13 words in that verse.
And, of course, 13 has a taboo connected to it. And, so, anyway, things like that, you know, and, as far as the, verse numbering, you know, he he he has, like, several books out that show that, you know, even he believes that's even inspired by the Lord because he'll take verse numbers and and show how they connect to different Bible, you know, Bible principles and things that represent bad things. You know? It's just it's pretty interesting, but, you know, I think maybe it could be coincidental too. So, anyway, that's that's all I had to say.
[02:43:38] Unknown:
Alright. Well, Brent's already eaten. I have not. I'm starving. Is anybody else got any questions? If not, I will see you hopefully tomorrow. Brent's got his own show tomorrow. Hey. Dilly barking for you. Brent. Brent. That's for Brent. That's, Doug in Arkansas.
[02:43:59] Unknown:
You are so good, Roger. Roger. Roger.
[02:44:03] Unknown:
Hey, Brent. Hey, Brent.
[02:44:07] Unknown:
Thank you again for a for an excellent expose of life and scripture and relationship to your father. You know, the scripture in second Timothy two fifteen tells tells everyone who reads it reads it to study study. And that word study is, as you know, is. It's it's not it doesn't mean reading a book. It doesn't it doesn't it's it's not anything like like watching a movie movie. It's actually like digging a hole. It's hard work. And, and it says it says Reading, second Timothy two fifteen. Study study budazo budazo to show thyself approved unto God the father. In other words, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed.
Now what I learned studying this decades ago was disappointed in your expectations by so you won't be if you do this, you won't be disappointed if you rightly divide the word. So it's the the the the the great father creator is personal, individually personal to every living man and woman. And so we're responsible to know it. You you can't just listen to somebody else To y'all. Somebody else's opinion. And and then in, chapter three, verse 16, it says, all scripture is given by the breath of the creator and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness that the man of God may be perfect, truly, not thoroughly, but inside out, furnished unto all good work.
What do you think, Brent?
[02:47:03] Unknown:
Well, number one, the target audience there is Timothy. Timothy was, to take over a congregation there. And the admonition there about studying is to those that are tasked with, the slavery kind of job. The under rowers, as Paul says, of presenting the Bible to people. There's no small task and it's hard to find, a preacher, a man of the cloth that takes it serious, but there are some. And they need to be listened to. And the Bible says God has given teachers to the church. And that's why I say to people, it's more important to you if that's not your office in life, if that's not your calling, that those that have that calling, they're here for your benefit. You're the one in the trenches. You're the one fighting the fight. You're the one that has to do it. And those that are called to teach the Bible do not face exactly what you face.
You're the hero here, not the Bible teachers. And I I do see it's backwards that the Bible teachers get a lot of attention. Oh, they're entitled to your support but we're not to make celebrities out of them and that's what happens. Even good bible teachers such as John McArthur, he was made into a celebrity. That's not what god wants and it doesn't help and it makes people depend more on him than than it was on their own reading of the Bible. He is a supplement John MacArthur or any other Bible teacher, even myself, we're supplements to you. You have the sweep in the flow of what the English text says. The English text will give you the black and white picture clear and crisp, But Bible teacher comes along and he has a little, he adds a little color here and there that might help you along. That's what we're to do and that's why we do what we do.
But it is important both of those verses, you know, and thank you for good to hear from you. I didn't know if you were still out there. You're the only New York hillbilly I know, you know, so I remember people like you.
[02:49:02] Unknown:
Well, Massachusetts, Massachusetts.
[02:49:05] Unknown:
Oh, oh, was it? I all you guys in New England, I get you all mixed up. But, yeah, your accent still come through clear. Right. Probably won't probably be that way the rest of your life. That's not so bad. That's not so bad. We're identified by the way we talk, but getting back to the point. Yeah, those are good. I'm glad you brought them up, but it is not for everybody. And I tell people this, listen to people, the final arbiters of right and wrong in our common law tradition here in our country on matters of greatest weight are the least esteemed among us that are to be impaneled on the jury.
You're the ones that got to know. And the, the Jewish, the, no, the Israelite nation was here, is here and did what they did for the benefit of Adam's race. That's us. And we're thankful that God used them in the way he did, but we Bible teachers are here for your benefit. Not the other way around. Oh yes. Again, you are to support us, but we're here for your benefit. Take advantage of it.
[02:50:05] Unknown:
Well, our messiah was the greatest servant of all. And Good point. All the others, Moses and Moses and all the other prophets and etcetera, they followed in his his, what he was about. And so I wanted to just mention one more thing to you because having listened to you, I've I've heard you comment on the CI doctrine a little bit here and there, and I've been following that for at least a couple of decades. And I always had a problem with this, and here's my explanation. The okay. Excuse me. So the covenant with Abraham was one-sided. Correct?
[02:51:02] Unknown:
It wasn't That's correct.
[02:51:05] Unknown:
Oh, really? I don't wanna You have to agree with him? No.
[02:51:09] Unknown:
I want I wanna just hear your flow, and then well, I can comment. Oh, okay. Interrupt your flow.
[02:51:14] Unknown:
Oh, thank you. Well, I'm thinking it was one-sided because, Abraham wasn't commanded that he had to do anything. It it was a the father declared to Abraham that he was gonna do this, and it seemed to be, to me, immaterial whether Abraham agreed with it or not. Then, so you got this CI thing, which is covenant people, and it's very exclusive only to the, progeny of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and their descent. So as I've been studying for continually forever, I just see that in spite of this, like, as if, according to that doctrine, every all of these covenant people are accepted.
And, but I just in reading, over and over the history, when when people went against his will, when they did wrong to their brothers. And, I mean, even I mean, it's documented well that when, if he didn't say go to war against people who were his enemies, Ammonites, you know, Amalekites, etcetera, they didn't win. So and the those, of that covenant people, when they did wrong, some of them, it says, were written out of the book of what? So I began to think about oh, and then and then in the scripture, the father would would talk about people who weren't in this group who did good deeds.
In other words, did right and did good, and he approved of that. But as far as the end picture of the judgment and all of that, the CI doctrine says they're not included. And that was always a problem with me because if the chosen people are excluded because they do evil, but then he approves of people who aren't in that group and they do good, then what does that mean as far as the judgment goes? So that's that's my thinking.
[02:54:00] Unknown:
No. I get that. And when you said the covenant of Abraham is did you use the word one-sided? Yeah. Well, no. I I understand what you're saying now and I agree. Abraham didn't have any agreement in it. He didn't say anything. Matter of fact, God knocked him out cold during the whole thing. And, so he It was a unilateral promise as a trust settlement, which a trust settlement always is. It's just one man saying, here's what I'm gonna do. Take it or leave it. If you wanna reject it, you can of course, but, here's what I've done for my people. And if I want them to accept it, I'll wiggle their willer and they will accept it. That that's part of that doctrine too.
But, the identity movement left a lot of questions unanswered, still does. It's been a popular thing in the English speaking world for a long, long time. I mean, we're going way, way, way back in the surge serpent seed doctrine. Of course, by the time you get to America, you got the Mormons. That was their official position that they are the chosen people of God. You've got the Armstrongism, Herbert w Armstrong, very popular when I was, a young man at church. His son then took over after he died. They were that way too. But, you notice the, that, Zionists don't bother, never bothered Herbert w. Armstrong's movement or the Mormons.
I'm just making an observation. Why didn't they bother them? Well, those two taught that, the 10 tribes were their ancestors, but Judah and Benjamin, the southern tribes were not. Well, that's what's important to Zionist, the scepter and the kingship that came through Judah. So I don't know that that's why they do it, but it looks like they never bother them, but they bother other people. The identity movement was that all the tribes were that, Northern Europeans are descended from all the tribes. Well, I don't quarrel with them about it. I'm not part of that movement. Although many men over the years have been my friends in that movement. But I have noticed that because it leaves it leaves a lot of things unexplained, it draws a lot of unsavory people. I mean, Pete Peters was a target of indictment for conspiracy to commit murder because he was teaching that doctrine and he attracted people to his church that proved to be very dangerous to him. Whether for right or wrong, it'd be just fact. You say, well the government shouldn't have done that. No they shouldn't have, you're right but still danger is danger and that's where we are to be wise as servants and harmless as doves.
You Now I can't tell you how many time people have come to me as a lawyer and said they've said to me they tell me their story and they say, but they they the government can't do that. And I'd say, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, let's let's get our facts straight first. Isn't it true from what you just told me that the government just did that? Then why are you turning around saying the government can't do that? You gotta your mindset's off. The government does a lot of things that are wrong because they have power. That's the whole story of mankind. People who have power do things that they have no authority to do. That's called a false false flag operation. That's our troubles. That's how it comes. Women do things they don't have authority to do vis a vis their husbands.
Husbands do things they don't have authority to do vis a vis their wives or vis a vis their children. Children do things they have no authority to do, vis a vis their parents and on and on and on it goes. That's reality of living in a sinful world. How are we to deal with that? That the law of God steps in and says he gives us the command, says here's what we do. With all the confusion of doctrine, all the confusion in your family, in your life, what do I give you? I give you shalom, which is the willingness to do what I say no matter what other people think and no matter what you think. That's the experience of Christianity.
That's the bottom line friends with all the confusion of doctrine and sin in the world and there's a lot of it. That's what he wants you to do individually. If you think for example that what I've said here is worthwhile, I hope I can add a little color to your understanding of the Bible. But if you're not reading it, you're you're short changing yourself. If you're not getting the sweep and the flow. If somebody says, salvation is by grace through faith. If somebody says like me or like it was just said about Abraham and the covenant, do you know where that is in the Bible? Do you know the sweep and the flow of how that plays out? Have you read that passage there in the fifteenth chapter of Genesis and before it and after it? If you haven't done those things, you don't have a familiarity with the Bible, you don't know God.
You don't have a familiarity with the Bible, you don't know God. You may know about him, but you don't know him. I'm talking about knowing him. I write these things unto you because you're strong. The word of God dwells in you and therefore you have overcome the wicked one. First John chapter two verses 12 through 14. You see this throughout the bible. Strength to do what God wants you to do. To change your self not change no no to replace yourself, to replace your doctrine, to replace your desires, to replace what is going on in your family with what is good. You don't reform evil, you drive it out.
Darkness is only it's not reformable. It's only driven out with light. You flip the light switch and the darkness is gone. And you speak the word of God and the darkness just runs like scolded dogs. Scolded dogs runs. That's what we're trying to do here. Cut through all the mass of the discussion and the confusion and the stupidity that the devil raises to cause confusion. King James only. I'm not criticizing anybody that brings these subjects up because I'm glad they bring them up. So I'm thankful for you. I'm talking to everybody. King James only, the Septuagint only. Those are false flags of stupidity. They'll distract you into things that you don't wanna get involved in. That will take away from doing what?
From peace and tranquility of knowing what your job is and just doing it. Doing what God says, but you can't do what he says until you know what it is he said. If you're not in the Bible, have your nose in it, put in the word of God in the mental sod every day, you're a loser and you'll continue to be a loser. Even if you think you're a winner. A lot of people think they're winners, they're losers. Some people think they're losers and they're winners. I have that a lot. I think I'm down. I'm not getting anywhere. What's going on here? No. No. No. No. I go back and read the word of God again. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No. No. No. I'm on top.
And, we don't walk by our sight. We walk by our trust in our God for the future. That's the bottom line. Thank you for all your comments, every one of you. And there's so much that we're talking about. Right. Somebody wants to say something before I leave, and I welcome because I'm tired of talking. Go ahead. I want I wanna do something really quick. And there's Larry. Paul. Hang on. Hold on. Larry. Paul. Paul is here.
[03:01:19] Unknown:
Hang on, Larry. Just a second. And Samuel wanted to jump in there too a couple of minutes ago. I wanna go, a completely different direction for about ninety seconds. Brent, I would like you to be the witness. I want you to be the judge up on the bench, and I want everybody in here, the 31 people that remain in this room, to be the jurors, the empaneled jury. And I wanna know by confirmation, either yes or no, whether or not Ferris should be allowed on this program. I realize the final decision is on Roger, but I think it would be constructive to know whether or not the people that sit here and join Roger, every day or every week or whatever for take hours out of their day to listen to what Roger has to say. I think it's constructive for us to be able to know what the temperature of the room is and whether or not the people who join us actually wanna hear him or not. So if you wanna hear Farris on the program, un mute right now and say yes.
[03:02:25] Unknown:
Yes.
[03:02:33] Unknown:
Okay. That's one for Farris. Anybody that does not want to hear Ferris ever again on this program, unmute and say no.
[03:02:43] Unknown:
No. No. No. No. No way. No.
[03:02:48] Unknown:
No.
[03:02:51] Unknown:
I've still got a few minutes. Yeah. Say no. I still like to hear him.
[03:02:56] Unknown:
And
[03:02:59] Unknown:
I would still like to hear Farris, although on a very limited basis.
[03:03:03] Unknown:
I think Ferris should start his own channel for the people who wanna hear him.
[03:03:10] Unknown:
Time is pretty important.
[03:03:14] Unknown:
No.
[03:03:16] Unknown:
I say no.
[03:03:19] Unknown:
So we've got three for Ferris What do you say, Brent? And a host of no's. What do you say, Brent?
[03:03:26] Unknown:
I say that I'm not part of the jury according to your your method here, the process. But it is That's okay. But but but he's always welcome to listen. But, yeah, it is it is just concerning. I'll just put in some of my ideas that somebody would tell Roger to shut up. That's unforgivable. That's not the way it works here. Well, I think Ferris was telling me to shut up. Or you or you. You're the one that handles things. So no. No. We don't do that and button in. When we start and when we start talking, you or Roger or I, protocol demands it for the sake of order that that, everyone else stop. That's the way it works. So that's what I've got to say about it for what it's worth.
[03:04:10] Unknown:
Well, let let me let me explain a little bit of backstory. Every time, you know you know how disruptive Farris is when when he unmutes and he starts spouting off and starts talking about things aggrandizing and, like blowing, blowing sunshine up your up your pant leg and whatever he's doing. He comes in. It's a narcissistic attack and retreat, tactic. He comes in. He does something disturbing. We kick him out. Then he comes back in, with his hat in his hand, and he's giving, like, all these sunshines sunshines and flowers and candies and everything else just to try and get himself back into the good graces. It's a completely narcissistic tactic, and he's always disruptive, and he he is never never, or rarely on topic.
But there are three people May I may I Hang on, Matt. There are three people that have to watch the participant list constantly looking for any anonymous caller and move those anonymous callers off to a to a neutered room where people can listen, but they cannot speak. And it is because he is he's he's controlling the eyes of three people that have to watch every move that the room makes just to make sure he doesn't disrupt. And he's also abusing the ears of thirty, forty, 50, or 60 people that are in the room. Where does he have the right to do that?
That's my question.
[03:05:52] Unknown:
Well, if I'm the judge am I the judge? Yes. You're the judge. Okay. If I'm the judge, I can recognize what the jury has done. It's been it's clear that the jury says no. They don't want him. That's clear to me. Have I missed something? Nope. Nope. Yeah. The clerk. I'm asking the clerk to advise me here. I would like to make a comment.
[03:06:13] Unknown:
May I may I may I may I,
[03:06:16] Unknown:
May I comment first and then may I second?
[03:06:19] Unknown:
Yes. Okay.
[03:06:21] Unknown:
This is the time I've been listening that you come on over the last couple years. 90% of the disruption is he he comes in, he says his piece five minutes, ten minutes, whatever he's allowed, and then the next half hour or hour, he's not even there, and we're doing just like we're doing now. We are spending all our time talking about the Ferris problem, and he's not even there. So it's it's taking all of our time. It's takes over the shows even though he only might even say, you know, ten seconds of an offensive statement or whatever, whether it's a couple minutes, whatever he's allowed, and then it's us going over the same thing, talking about talking about the Ferris problem for thirty minutes. For every one minute that he's here, we're spending thirty minutes discussing it. So it's it's ridiculous. It's a joke, and it should be ended. But that that's that's it. That's my opinion. I yield.
[03:07:21] Unknown:
Okay. This is Cliff from California. And, I have withheld invitations to this program because of him, Because, it would it would be embarrassing to me to introduce people to a forum that has this kind of disruptor. That's my comment.
[03:07:46] Unknown:
Alright. Well, Jake wanna add another two.
[03:07:50] Unknown:
Okay. Add quickly, and then it's Larry's turn. Oh, you wanna add no too? Okay. Go ahead, Larry.
[03:08:02] Unknown:
Yeah.
[03:08:05] Unknown:
Yeah. I was just gonna say to Brent, I think what, what Doug was describing was the covenant that god made with Abraham was an unconditional covenant, and the covenant that god made with Israel through Moses was conditional. And you can read all about those conditions, you know, in Deuteronomy, different sections of the bible where it says, if you do this, I'll do this. If you don't do this, I'll do this. Those are those are all conditions, and they could not meet the conditions. They always violated the covenant, and it just culminated, up until seventy AD when god just destroyed that race of people known as Old Testament Israel. He destroyed them all in seventy AD when he used the Roman armies to penetrate the walls of Jerusalem.
And, there's a great siege that went on, and then about a million Jews died. According to Josephus, about a million Jews died during that battle, during that siege. Once they broke through, of course, they dismantled the temple, which was a magnificent structure. If you were to look at pictures, like modern day, compositions of what that thing looked like, it was it was almost like the eighth wonder of the world. Larry. They dismantled that completely. So Larry? Yes.
[03:09:42] Unknown:
I I appreciate you making the comment, but I think since we're holding court, we better finish that. Paul is doing that right now.
[03:09:55] Unknown:
I don't wanna let him finish. Oh, I thought I thought we were done. Okay. Sorry. Oh, are we done? Are we done? Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. I'm I'm done. I just wanted a preponderance of the evidence and consensus of opinion, and I got that.
[03:10:07] Unknown:
Okay. Alright. No. I understand. You're giving and what you're giving us is your understanding of the sweep and flow of the covenants of God, and I'm gonna give you my overall view, and then we can work it out over time, but right now I gotta go. But my overall view is there is one covenant, one, and there are two aspects of the same covenant. They're not opposites and they're not in contradistinction at all. And to say that is to destroy the entire bible in my humble view and my studied opinion. And this is the the viewpoint fundamentally of those that founded our country.
The English Anglicans, and that includes the Puritans and the and the the pilgrims and the congregationalists, the Scotch Irish Presbyterians, and the German and Dutch reformed groups. That was their view of the Bible, one covenant and two aspects. And that's I see that clearly in the Bible. And this is no small matter to me and it was an in house discussion. But if you wanna know some of the things that I think about Genesis 15, I wrote my thesis on Genesis 15 and the covenant that was cut there. I didn't answer all the questions that could be answered about it. My advisor at that time under oral exam and other things was a hardcore, hardcore dispensationalist named Paul Inns from, nice guy too and sincere from Dallas.
He's still living. He's up in his eighties and I believe he working down in Florida somewhere. But, he'd written still writing theology books. He's one of those kind of guys. But I wrote it in such a way that I didn't take a position on either side, but I was friendly to the dispensational point of view because they they are sincere, a lot of them, in being biblical. They're the ones that take the bible by the letters. They're the ones that are deeply involved in bible translation, have been. That's true. The covenant people haven't been so much. They're not and if they are, they're not serious about it. That's been my observation. Haven't been around it all these years.
A lot of confusion that goes on and all the different points of view. And then there are a lot of people that express their points of view about it, and they can't get their point of view across. And like me, sometimes I'll say something and somebody will meet me afterwards and thank me for saying, and they'll tell me what I said and thank me for it. And it'll be the exact opposite of what I've said. Now, either I said it wrong or I failed communicate or they do not listen or both. Likely it's both. So that's why all the confusion going on and it bears re, discussing for that reason.
But to summarize, there is one covenant. And the one that God made with Abraham, he cut it to put it in the Hebrew terms, like an indenture. He cut it, with Abraham. That is the covenant of Deuteronomy. That's the covenant of the book of Hebrews. Hebrews talks about the two aspects as you know. Two aspects and calls it two agreements. But they're not contrary. And the the the covenant of God opens up wider and wider and is repeated and reestablished and republished as the bible moves forward. And we know more about it. And that's why people get confused about it. But when the bible says old and new in the Greek text, those are two different words.
Two different words or two kinds of new. I should say old and new. There are two kinds of new. Two words for new in the old in the new testament. And to grasp and that's not easy. I've been struggling with it for a long time. To grasp the difference between those synonyms is the only way to understand what's being said and not fall into the air of saying there's two covenants. I just re recommend that to you from my point of view. I'm gonna go now. Appreciate all the comments. This is getting down to the bottom though, because thank you, Paul. The covenant of God, this one covenant of God is the only thing that defines God's relationship to his man.
There isn't anything else. And to deny that is to just ruin your life down here on earth as the Baptist do. It's just a mess. Your life has no peace. It can't. You've denied the law of God. Every element of the law of God is in support of that trust settlement. That one trust settlement. Somebody was gonna say something. I what was it? Somebody's go ahead.
[03:14:38] Unknown:
Either Doug or Samuel. Samuel's been waiting. Emil, are you still there?
[03:14:51] Unknown:
Hello? Hey.
[03:14:53] Unknown:
Yeah. Brent, I did have something I was confused about. Normally, when you say the Masoretic text, you're talking 600 to a thousand AD. Do you mean ancient Hebrew, or do you mean Masoretic?
[03:15:09] Unknown:
Well, Masoretic used the square script as you know, apparently. Is that right? Is that what you're saying? I'm talking about the No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Answer my question. Are you talking about the Masoretes use of the square script? Is that what you're talking about? No. Well, what are you talking about?
[03:15:34] Unknown:
Either ancient Hebrew or the 600 to a thousand AD period. I don't know what you mean by Masoretic.
[03:15:41] Unknown:
Oh, okay. Well, then you you don't know what I mean by square script either then, probably. No. Oh, okay. That's that's okay. I just thought maybe you did, and I was just gonna address it. Well, here's the what I know about that. There is an ancient Hebrew script, and there's a square script that came along with the rabbis. But Nobody knows exactly when it arose, but the script we see now, if you pick up, a newspaper in Israel, it'll be in square script. If you pick up the Masoreid's bible, it's in square script. And the square script is, the same number of Hebrew letters, the same meanings of the letters, the same words as the ancient script.
For example, you can go to the the tunnel, the tunnel that goes to the spring outside of Jerusalem. And that tunnel was there to reach the spring in case they were under siege, they could get water. And it's through solid rock. You can go read about it. But on the, when they, they come in from both ends and when they were shipping the rock, which took a long time, they could hear each other as they were getting close. Of course, that made them happy because you could start at both ends and and miss each other, you know. They had to figure it out, right? And they met each other. And when they did that, they inscribed on the wall, the distance. They measured measured the distance in cubits and they inscribed it there.
And of course, from that distance, we know exactly what what the ancient Cuba is. What, what the ancient, ancient Cuba is. That's the, I don't know why people don't talk about that. I can go read it. I've seen the script and it's in that ancient script. And that ancient script is important. And I've looked at it in the course, and you can go back and study it. And I memorized the ancient script and I've used it some, but it's not what you use when you, when you study the, the manuscripts of the Bible in Hebrew, because they use the square script letters that you see now in Hebrew. And the reason they did that was so it would enable them to put dots and dashes around the letters that would preserve what they believed was the proper pronunciation of Hebrew in their day.
And that's what the Masoretes did. They took the text and that consonants. They said that was so sacred. We're not going to touch it with a pen and those dots around it called the vowel pointings because the Hebrew alphabet has no vowels in it. And the Hebrew writing has no vowels in it. You just add them in your mind as you talk. Truth is you can't pronounce consonants without pronouncing vowel sounds. And they know what those are. And the same thing true in English. You know, you were you could write my name Brent with b r n t. That's the way they write their language. And how would you pronounce b r n t? Well, you'd say Brent, Brandt, or Bront. You'd use a vowel. But in our tongue, in our English tongue, the vowels that we pronounce change. I just listened to that man from Arkansas, Doug. He's from Massachusetts and he pronounced vow He pronounces vowels in words that I don't pronounce.
Why? Because vowels are fluid. You don't close your oral passage. So they morph from country to country, location to location. Even if they're written a certain way, they morph. And vowels are not part of Semitic tongues. There are 22 letters in the Hebrew alphabet. They use the square script, but it's the same letters that they used anciently. So go ahead.
[03:19:01] Unknown:
What years did the Masoretics do this?
[03:19:05] Unknown:
Well, this started back. Oh, I'll repeat it. I've said it before. It started way back about during the time of the Septuagint. We know that much. And we know that. We say that because the manuscripts from Dead Sea scrolls, which weren't Masoretes, But those, that family of manuscripts match the Masoretic text in an uncanny way. So you say, well, this tradition must have started back then. See? But to get hung up on that, here's what's funny about this and people get hung up on it. I kinda know about it and I don't know everything, but I've looked at enough. I'm satisfied. That's not the important thing. The important thing is what did God say? And you can pick up any Bible and read it, read the flow of it. And to get caught up in all this chicken moon earth is a waste of time. There are those of us who've given our lives to try to understand some of it. And there are men that know a lot more about it than I, but but that's not what God wants, everybody to do. People God does not want his men who are not equipped to do that. He wants them to go out and do the job and that's what men need to do. And that's why our country is falling apart. So what I find out, people get caught up in in minutia that does not matter.
This does not matter. We have beautiful translations of the Bible and there are those who have devoted their lives to doing that and that's so we can go out and actually do the work that God has us to do. Slay the dragons, take the land, that's what you're supposed to do. All of us are to varying degrees, some are commissioned to do otherwise. That's why I don't think it's a worthwhile you know, it's not a worthwhile thing to get caught up in all this. And then the question, what funny it is, I say it's just curious. You're a curious man. That's the kind of men we need, of course. You wanna know the bottom line. Well, if you spend your life studying it, your life's only so long. I take it. You haven't spent your life studying it. And at this point in your life, it's not gonna be something you're gonna be able to really understand that much because it's just a matter of time. You don't have enough time to do it. You put your time into things that are just as important, if not more important. So why don't you pick up on that? This is my suggestion for what it's worth. Pick up on that and run.
We we are a body of Jesus Christ. There are some people called to talk. Other people called to study, other people called to do a little bit of both, other people are called to do certain things that other people can't do. We're all called to do different things. Not everybody's an eyeball, not everybody's a toe, not everybody's a liver. And just relax and naturally do what what you feel capable of doing and you will do what God wants you to do. But in all events, you gotta do what the book says. That's my suggestion to everybody listening. No, I'm not just talking to you. I mean, just in general. But the curiosity is good that we know a little bit about these things and know that God did preserve his word.
But when it gets right down to the bottom, it's like the mathematician that finds out that a line, a single line is the basis of all mathematics. And then he discovers that a line has no dimension. Well, it only I mean, it has only one dimension. That's length. It doesn't have width. It doesn't have height. That does not compute with logic, my friends. But that's what all of geometry and all arithmetic is based on. And if you try to if you try it, you you accept the fact of it but it's not logical. You can't figure all that out. No mathematician has ever figured that out. And that's the way this stuff is. And our whole of all of our common law traditions that way, the law of nature and the laws of nature's God. It's the man that takes what he knows as little as it may be or as great or anywhere in between and does something with it that gets ahead.
I've seen amishmen do stuff with hand tools as carpenters that men with power tools couldn't get done or it took them twice the time to do. Why go the amishman with his hammer and his saw, he can take that and he can make it work. And that's what God wants us to do. Take what he has given us. Every man, what every man knows, every man's education is unique to himself and what he has given you was what he wants you to do. Don't try to be somebody else and do what they have been given to do for whatever reason. That's not where Christianity is. That's not where the power of God is. Power of God is taking what you got, being your own man, doing with what what you can do. Back to you though. Did you wanna make another comment?
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think it's important because, I don't wanna be taking the words of Pharisees when I should be taking the word of God.
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As I'd said, when you take any translation of the Bible, I suggest three just to start. The Geneva, the King James, and the New American Standard. Take any, and take any of those. You're gonna get the word of God and you'll get more of it. If you master the English Bible, you'll know more about the Bible than preachers in 14 counties in your area. There's no question. No question. Just if you just discipline yourself, all of you, not just you, anybody, read it every day. I struggle with this discipline trying to do this. It's important. And I gave you that point about Donald McDougall.
What a great guy. He had problems in his life. I know him personally. Tough problems. And he got up every morning and read the Bible, the English Bible, his native tongue. The fellow that founded Southwest Seminary was, down in Houston. It's big Southern Baptist Seminary now. His name, escapes me. He was a Texas ranger. Oh, b h Carroll. B h Carroll, c a r r o l, I think, or something like that. He He was a Texas ranger, and he carried books in his saddlebags everywhere he went, and he finally, he got more and more into it. Finally, after all the years he wanted to he got into education after he got older and he, wrote a series of commentaries called b h Carroll commentaries on the English Bible.
Not the Greek, not the Hebrew, the English. We have the Bible and the translators gave us a good one. I think it's important too but recognize you're not God. You can't know everything. I've had to come to grips with that. There's a lot of things I'd like to do in life too. And I, things I wanna dig into and I can't do it. I don't even read commentaries anymore. I just concentrate on the tongues. That's what I've been given to do. But there are things you're talking about things I'm interested in too. But I know what I gotta know to get the job done I gotta do. And as I get closer to the the far end of life, I focus more on one thing. And if you can find one thing that you do well, you don't have to worry about anything else. That's the way God wants it. That's why he gives us different personalities and get different gifts. And there's not a one of us any more important than the other. Not a one.
The greatest men in Christianity are the ones that don't have any formal education at all. The greatest preachers in Christianity through the centuries are the ones that don't have any formal education at all. Like DL Moody and Charles Spurgeon, not much formal education at all. Well, there are the educated preachers that are very effective. Yes. Right. That's good. Most of us aren't like Moody. That's a special case, but they're the greatest. God takes the ones that don't know much and he does the most with them just to, defogle the rest of us. He says that.
Well, why is that guy so well known? Why does he have so much influence? I'll tell you why. Because God said that's the way it's gonna be. Well, he didn't have any education. He hasn't taken time to prepare himself. Well, that's what God said. He's not gonna let any of us get any glory at all for anything we do. I gotta go, but good talking to you. Paul, thank you so much and all the rest of you for the comments and questions. This is a highlight of my life. Pray for all of you. I do. You're the ones that you're you're here. The ones that are God put around around me and me around you. So look forward to talking to you next week.
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Thank you, Brent.
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Thank you, Paul.
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Interesting. That time, I can't believe they knocked him off right before Thanksgiving. How many of you in the audience are you or how many of us are old timers enough to remember where we were when that happened? We can discuss that and other things as we, jump into the deep into the pool. Paul, would you give the people that help us extend our reach their proper credit and recognition, please?
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And there's a bunch of information over there. This is real important Watch. By the way. And may you'll probably never find another places in one place. So tomorrow, the Saturday edition will be the twenty second. I'm pretty sure that's the JFK commemoration day. I was watching, Paul Hirsch, because I'm kinda intrigued with the guy, Nick Fuentes. And, he he for 26, he's a sharp kid. K? There are a few of them out there. He's particularly one in his, all of his opinions and the reasons he's arrived at him, which he's not bashful about going into, very interesting. But he in the episode I was watching last night, he asked a question.
He said, who I don't know whether it was Golda Meir. Do you remember that hag, Golda Meir. Yeah. The first the first, the first prime minister of Israel was can do you remember who that was?
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Ben Gurion. And he was the first one, and then I think Hag followed him. Golda Meir. And, they were arguing with JFK. JFK did not want them to have nuclear weapons. And that was a couple of months before his, his untimely assassination. Then there's another really, interesting the, AIPAC was back then called the Jewish Committee. And, they were throwing money all over the place up there as they're apt to do. And, JFK was gonna make them register as a foreign agent. And it was shortly after those two things no doubt contributed to his, the the the the demise of Camelot, should we say. I see. It looks like mister Winters has pulled up and tied his horse up out there.
But, anyway, I guess that's tomorrow. So interesting. These roots go very, very deep. They go very, very deep. And over all these years for myself, I'm not sure how many years Brent has been down this path. I've been doing it, well, thirty two and a half or some years. Thirty three years. Yeah. I lose count. But and I started early on when I became aware of the tax situation. I asked myself the magic question. I've heard other people say this too. If they can do this to us here, what the hell else are they doing to us? And that's where I started my journey many years ago. And, so I I took the first, first as I rationally tried to sift this stuff out, I said, well, as a good investigative reporter covers the five w's, the most important who, where, when, why, and where or what.
Anyway, out of all those who and why are the most important ones, I think. And so I started down that path with those two goals in mind. Every path I've ever chased and researched back in all these years, every time it led back to them. Mhmm. Every time. There's no exceptions. Okay. So, if you wonder where my vitriol comes from, it's well earned. Yeah. K. And it's justified. And we got them. Mhmm. No no nobody's ever you know, the only people that have ever had these bastards like this were the Romans on Masada. We got them on the top of Masada. Okay?
Go ahead, Paul.
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Brent, Bachman, he he brought up a really interesting link. It's a seven minute and thirty eight second video. It's on YouTube, actually. I don't know if it's still on YouTube. I'm thinking it's probably scrubbed by now judging from the subject matter, but it was, what are the real names of Israeli officials, and why did they change them? This is very interesting.
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I'm sure it was. And, at You're not Netanyahu. Netanyahu went to high school outside of Philadelphia.
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Uh-huh. K. I actually do have it.
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Well, you can you can throw a little bit in there. I don't think Brent would object. Morning, Brent. Morning, Roger.
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Yeah. Morning, Roger. Well, it's changing names. So, Kurt Douglas changed his name to Kurt Douglas. That's not his name. Jack Benny changed his name to Jack Benny. That's Yeah. Not his name. Shelley Shelley Winters changed her name to Shelley Winters. That's not her name either. And we could go on and on, and it's part of the culture that you if in a in a culture of and I'm quoting Jesus Christ here. I like to stick to what he says if I can. Quoting Jesus Christ, you woe unto you scribes and pharasites, stage actors.
Hupokratos. We say hypocrite. Hypocrite is not a translation of that Greek word. Hypocrite is a transliteration of that Greek word an attempt to use Greek English letters to reproduce the sound of the Greek word, the pronunciation of it. It's or hypocrite, and what it means is stage actor. Woe unto you. That's irreversible doom, the Hebrew word again transliterated into and that Hebrew word is transliterated into the Greek tongue there. Woah. Oi, it means irreversible doom, apostasy. It's all over but to cry and you get no second chance. You're like the demons. It's that's what Jesus Christ is saying. The demons don't get a check second chance. They don't get a second bite at the apple. Well, that's what he was saying to them. Now he didn't say that, the whole, everybody in the nation. He said that to them. Let's be precise about what's being said here. The scribes, which are the legal beagles, they're like they'd be analogous to the barristers in England. Mhmm. Or the rather no. No. The solicitors the solicitors.
They're the ones that, know the law well because they do the studying. They're not the upfront guys, though. They're not the guys that are on the court. They're not the lawyers that are in the courtroom arguing. The they're the solicitors. Then the Pherecytes are like the barristers. They're the sergeants at law in England. We don't use those terms here, but it's part of our common law tradition. Order of the coif, they say in law school here. Well, they're they're the ones that are up front, but in both cases, woe unto them both. Now is that is that woe unto our lawyers? No. They weren't common lawyers. They were law of the city lawyer. They were scholastics. What is Judaism?
But it's Babylonian. That means a scholasticism. And the rabbis will tell you that. That this is scholasticism. You were talking about Ben Gurion. Ben Gurion, he's the recognized father of, the Israeli state, and he was the first prime minister. As you said, he was, according to his testimony, an atheist. But a Jewish atheist. So what does that mean? How why is it that atheism demands a religion? What and there there well, the answer is easy because all of Judaism denies the true God. That's easy. Well, who's who is it with us, mere mortals? Who who do we recognize as the true God? Jesus the Christ is the manifestation of the Godhead of three persons that we can we can get a handle on. We we cannot understand God. We don't have a relationship with him unless we can relate to God the Godhead by a manifestation of the godhead that's like us.
Otherwise, it's our our religion is in vain. So the hope of Israel all through the Old Testament, and they knew it because the bible said it that the god will take on the form of a man, we'll call him the Meshach, the Messiah, and he will pitch his bodily tent. That's the way the Old Testament puts it. The tent of his body among us. The, the flesh. He'll be with us and he will enter the stream of the race of Adam. And he will live among us and he is still in body. I I remember reading or listening to Justice Scalia used to travel to America and the rest of the English speaking world to deliver lectures, and he was in I think it was at Oxford. And the beauty of the Internet, you can listen to these lectures. But he said he was getting some kind of a master's degree once in some kind of history.
And, of course, he had to go in for oral exams. Well, I was on I'm changing the subject for just a second. I was on the radio with that fellow when I had that morning show in Terre Haute, Indiana. You know, we said, oh, from the heart of the Wabash Valley, that was our our call call phrase. And, now I say from the remote hinterlands of the Wabash Valley where the hogs, the frogs, and the dogs keep up at racket all night long. But the fellow that owned the station, he'd get on with me and he'd get a cup of coffee and he'd say, boy, it's good to be with you, Brent. And then he'd go like this. That's good. He'd drink his coffee, and he'd make that ugly noise.
He slurp. He slurp you. Yeah. It was terrible. I thought it was terrible that he did that, but I wouldn't know tell him what to do. He was 86 years old. He'd been in radio since he was 14 down in Bensons, Indiana, the home of Yeah. Red Skelton. Yeah. Seasoned, baby. He was seasoned. Yeah. So I didn't but I I don't do it. So when I stop and I pause, I'm taking a drink. I'm trying not to slurp. He can probably hear me, though. But getting back to what we were talking about, what were we talking about? I lost my place here.
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Well, we were to start out with Ben Gurion, we made this search, and you got to the point where, you were gonna take a little, detour there for a second. I forgot the peg that you pivoted on. Well, I can't hear it. Can you help?
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No? Oh, can you help? No. He's not. Oh, no. He he's just chasing the kitty. Well, I can tell you about my experience with well, we're talking about Ben Gurion. The Judaism is a is a denial of the true God. Now that was what I was driving at. That's what it is. All false religion has a a God. They're not atheists. They they have a final arbiter of right and wrong. Everybody does. Everybody. They don't recognize it. I said this a thousand times. You know, a couple of things I wanted to talk about today. Ben Gurion, just it's just the doctrine of demons. It's Babylonianism.
If you are not a worshiper of Jesus the Christ, if you're unwilling to fall down before him and kiss the dirt, you're not a Christian. I don't know what you are. Well, I know what you are. You're Babylonian. All false religion is from Babylon. But it and it comes and it's all fundamentally the same, and it comes under a 10,000 different labels. And then there's the true religion. Our religion, Riele Gare, our response back to our maker. The response you make back to your lawgiver, whoever it is, is your religion. Maybe yourself. If you're that stupid, most people are. Most most we're all pretty stupid. People say, oh, Brent, you call people stupid. Listen. I know stupid really well Mhmm. Because I shave every morning. I look at it. And don't tell me I don't understand stupid. What I wanted to do today, Roger, was, oh, I can talk about APAC. Yeah. I could talk about that. I've had personal firsthand intense experience with APAC or AIPAC. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
I can talk about that. And I thought, well, Roger, maybe people listen to me and you let me come on and talk and I'll drop another footnote. By the way, I got that book that Paul recommended, Forgive Us Our Debts, by a fellow named Hudson. Yeah. And what kind of appealed to me because that's my mother's side of the family were Hudsons. So I said, well, he may be some Kim. I don't know if he's or not. That branch. Shake that branch. He might fall out. Well, it's good. It's good. He was, of course, there at the Hudson Institute, a conservative institute in Indianapolis. But this fellow was, it was good. I'm reading it now.
Paul, Paul English recommended the book. He said Brent would like this book. Well, I thought, well, I wonder if Paul's right. I'll find out if he's right. I got it. Didn't cost much. You can go to the Internet and get it easy. But I thought maybe people hear me say all these things and make all these pontifical statements and act like I know what I'm talking about. And, I thought, well, maybe they don't understand why I've come to these conclusions. And you said that just a minute ago. He said, this guy, whoever you were talking about, tells us how to how we can or how he has come to his conclusions.
And what brings us to our to ultimate conclusions is not logic. Logic is a tool. It's a whore. If you use it wrongly, it's just a whore. Any way you wanna use it. But conclusions of conviction are different than what you, come to by logic. Yes. Conviction only comes through experience. It didn't come any other way. And that means usually, Roger, matter of fact, I think it always means this, that means you got a limp for the rest of your life because you've been hammered. As one fella said, never trust a man that doesn't have a limp. Well, that's from the bible. You know, Ya'aqob means clutcher.
Clutcher. I used to run the tractor and I'd throw the clutch in and out with a hand clutch and I could watch the clutching. No. The clutching means it grabs the the flywheel. And once once the the wheels or whatever you're running the power takeoff grabs the flywheel, then that engages the power from the motor to the rear axle and the wheels or to the power takeoff or to the flywheel on the hammer mill. We used to have a hammer mill, had a flywheel. We'd and we had this big it wasn't a put with your foot. You had a this long handle sticking up, and you can grab it. You'd shove that baby forward, and that would bring it all together and engage the clutch on that flywheel, it'd clutch it. And then that that, that belt would clutch that flywheel. That means tight to it, and that would engage the power with, from the motor to whatever you're wanting to do. By the way, I used to watch that flywheel, Roger, when I was a kid. And boy, it and fly when you have a belt on a flywheel back to the old machinery on the farm Yeah. Those things were 30 foot long.
And you cross them in the middle so they wouldn't get to flying up in the air. See? Cross them cross them in the middle. And they're made of heavy, heavy stuff, you know. And we're talking about Rubber and and and and
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along with that and other stuff. Yeah. But what used to amaze me about it, we put it on that flywheel on the side of that tractor, and tractors used to have a large flywheel for that purpose. It could in clutch, it engaged the motor with the the hammer mill. We had a hammer mill. We used it for that. And, that flywheel was a huge thing, and we also had one at the engine house in the oil field that dad ran. But this flywheel was huge, and it didn't have the belt was on it. The belt was as wide as both, eight inches wide, wide as both of my hands put together, two hands wide. Wow. And it didn't have anything to hold it on that flywheel. The flywheel was just a barren flywheel.
And that thing, we'd open that throttle wide up, and that thing would be going a 100 mile an hour, and it wouldn't fly off the flywheel. I couldn't understand that. Amazing. Well, finally, I figured it out. Well, no. I had an old man tell me why. And here's why. This is fascinating in the extreme. It's all a matter of physics. It's a matter of friction. It's a matter of the laws of nature. This old man, this old fellow that used to run a thrashing machine told me, he said, Brent I asked him. He said, Brent, if you'll just take your hand and put it on that top of that flywheel, and it was smooth. It just looked flat and smooth to the eye, but it wasn't. It was smooth, but it wasn't flat.
And the belt was bigger than the flywheel. You know? Okay. So you it I just couldn't under why it wouldn't go back and forth or something. Well, the flywheel was flat and smooth, but when you really tried to discern, shut your eyes, and rub your hand over the top of it, the middle of the flywheel all the way around was just a hair's breadth higher outside of the flywheel. In other words, it was tapered Uh-huh. But so slight you couldn't perceive it with your eyes. And that's what holds the belt on a flywheel. Now little stuff like that, old timers understood.
And, they understood a lot of things, and most of them a lot of no. I shouldn't say most of them. In some circles, yeah, most of them. But I knew a lot of men that had never been to school that ran machinery like that understood a lot of stuff. That's the human brain that's really sharp. But getting back to APAC, well that talking about the flywheel doesn't make any difference. It's Tasmanian word association. Go ahead. That's what it is, Roger. That's what it is. Well, I I oh, I did say don't a man a man doesn't know nothing until he got a limp. Well, that comes from Jacob. Jacob's the one that clutched. That's why Jacob means clutcher. And when he came out of the womb, he was a twin to another boy, a a few minutes older than him named Esau.
Esau, by the may by the way, means clut clutched. Clutched. And Jacob means clutcher.
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Really?
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Yeah. And when they came out of the womb, I say a few minutes, probably wasn't more than a minute because, you know, some twins are fifteen, twenty minutes apart. I've got them in my family and we'd laugh about it. You know, the older one would say well the most wonderful time of my life was the first twenty minutes. Why? My my brother wasn't born yet, you know. Right. Well, but they were they came out almost the same time because the records of the bible says that Yaakov was clutching with his hand, clutching the heel of his brother.
And in the womb, of course, they were kicking around and that caused problems it says, but clutching and, Esau means clutch. It may have been where the whole damn feud started. Brent, think about it. Go ahead. Well, well, the Bible says when hit their mother was complaining about it, then she was told there are two nations in your belly because they were kicking around in there. And any of you gals who are listening that have had a baby, you know how babies will be get to feel in their Cheerios. They're warm in the womb. But you get two of them in there, then you get to punch them on another. Well, that's what the Bible says happened in the womb of their mother.
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So Just you know, the when you look at that and consider, everything else, it just adds a new wrinkle. Go ahead.
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Yeah. It does. But let me add one more wrinkle. The Bible plays this all out and you begin to notice the details, and I'm probably not even scratching the surface on this point. His name is Clutch. He was Clutch and his brother, and his brother's name meant Clutch. And then when he got older and had a family and he he was, clutching everything, get his hands on, he was a grabber. He was greedy. He was greedy, fortunately, for the right thing. And as they say, I think I said this last week, if you don't want it bad enough to cheat for it, you probably don't deserve it. That's hyperbole. I said that last time too, but he was that way. He wanted the trust settlement of God bad enough. He he came right up the edge of cheating for it and got it. But at any rate, later on after he cheated his brother, whose name was Clutch, he was afraid of his brother because he'd his brother saw his robbery of his inheritance.
And so, he found out his he was traveling with all of his flocks. He was wealthy by that time, and he had committed some shenanigans against his father-in-law. And he was he trying to get away without his father-in-law know it with all of his wealth, and wealth in those days was a fee, f e e. Now that's the Anglo Saxon word that means cattle, animals, four footed livestock. Fee. Well, that was the wealth in those days of the patriarchs, and he had lots of them. He was about to meet. He knew his brother Esau. Clust was coming at him. He didn't know what to do. He thought he was good as a dead man, and so he sent ahead with gifts gifts. But the night before, because he was scared out of his wits, he clutched again.
This time he clutched the Lord Jesus Christ. Oh Jesus Christ is eternal friends. He's a man. Even before he entered the stream of Adam and Yahoah of the Old Testament, Jehovah as John or not John Wycliffe, he was a quite a character, but William Tyndale of the middle of England pronounced it Jehovah. He clutched him. He wouldn't let go of him. He said, bless me. He wanted that covenant. See? He wanted that promise. Said, I'm not letting go of you till you bless me. And he hung on and hung on and hung on, and it says that Yahoah wrestled with him all night long and finally got ticked off and said, let me go. I don't want you bothering me. Said, not till you bless me.
Well, that ticked him off, and the only way he could get away from him is he flipped him over, pinned him, and busted the socket of his hip. And he walked with a limp the rest of his life. Of course, the lesson there is you don't win. The word Israel, he renamed him Israel. It was Ya'akov, Jacob. He renamed him Israel, which means lawgiver, El, wins. Lawgiver wins because he won that wrestling match. But in the lawgiver winning the wrestling match with you winning the wrestling match with you, that's the only way you're gonna win. That's the point of the story. And once he had him flat on his back and busted his hip and gave him the mark of it the rest of his life, he walked with a limp, well then that means he won.
That means he won. You know, he met God like a lot of us do. He met God when he was young. Maybe his parents introduced him, took him to Sunday school. And you got to know who God is. I did. I got to know who God is. Roger, I bet you could say that. I bet a lot of people listening could say, well, I got to know who God is. Neighbor or the grandma took me to church, or mom and dad took me, or or somebody in the family sent me to church, or or I went to church with my buddy when I I I got introduced to God. And that's good. That's good. But that's not salvation.
You know, after you get introduced to God, then it may be that you'll get to know him, but you won't get to know him till you he he he pins you and and gives you a limp. Then you know God. And there's a difference between knowing about God, having been introduced to him, and knowing him. And you won't know him till you go through hard times. That's when you get the limp. The folk that I talk to here, I've talked and it it's a matter of testimony. So what I thought I would do today for fun, Roger, if unless there's something else that you have in mind Mhmm. Is talk about what happened to me. I've heard, Paul, English, tell what happened to him because I've known you so long. I've heard some of your stories of what's happened to you, of course. Mhmm. Maybe somebody would be interested in knowing what happened to me. I try and keep the real bad ones away from you, Brent.
Well, we used to do this when I was growing up. We used to have what in my culture of Christianity, what we thought was worth cultivating, Christianity wasn't real unless it was personal. No. You come to church and taking mass or come to church and doing the lord's supper or getting baptized or whatever teaching Sunday school, going through the motions to say you believe a creed, all that. That's all okay. That's that's telling me what you know about God. And some of it is trash, by the way. But to know God, that's quite another matter. Daniel says in the book of Daniel you heard of him. You know, Daniel is taught with the book of Revelation in the bible, believing seminaries and colleges of our land. Always has been. Daniel, Revelation's always been a course.
Now what does it mean? What does that mean? That means they're closely related, and they are. Revelation is the fleshing out of the book of Daniel. But the book of Daniel says this, they who do know, not know about, not know about their God. They who do know, Yadah in the Hebrew text, the Semitic word that means to know by experience. They who do know their God shall be strong and do exploits. You will never be strong unless you know your God. No. The word no in the Old Testament is always the same. There's only one word that means no in the Old Testament. K n o w k n o w.
And then the first appears in the Old Testament, when it says the first use, it says that Adam knew his wife. What happened? And she conceived. When you know somebody, it's intimate. It doesn't mean you. With a man and a woman, that's the knowledge of a woman behind closed doors. You know her. Been married to her for a while. You don't just know about her. Like, oh, man. She's, she's stacked. Oh, wow. That's my dad said. He saw my mother. He said that woman's stacked for that girl. She was only 16. She's stacked. He told me that not too long ago. That's been seventy seven years ago. Well, that's the first introduction. You know about her. You know what she looks like. Then you find out that she's friendly. You talk to her and then you're comfortable with her. And then finally my father said, and this is according to the testimony testimony of my mother, this is experience. Testimony. First hand. Not long ago, he brought her home.
And, before she got out of the car, I mean, there were no lights in those days. So you left your car lights on, so they get up to the Porsche and get in. No electricity. He left the lights on. Mom got said you got ready to get out. And and he said, you know, you don't have to sit on the car door when you ride with me. And, of course, you remember Roger. I mean, when people were sweet on under, each other on a bench seat, they'd slide together. Right? Yes. Yeah. You remember that. I couldn't get a piece of paper between them. It'd be so tight. You know? And, well, that's been a common experience in my generation. And dad and mom's too, and and he said that to her. And then in time, they got married. And and then, of course, seventy some years later, they don't just know about each other. They know each other. Yeah. Well, that's the way it is with God. And if you don't know, they who do know know their God.
How do you know your God? He takes you through trial. He takes you through the fire, though through fiery trial your pathway will lie. My grace, all sufficient, shall be your supply. The flame will not hurt thee. Thy my only design, thy dross to consume, and thy gold to refine. And that's what's gonna happen. Then you become powerful. Well, I haven't been through all the trials I'm gonna go through. I could tell you about the ones I've been through. I don't think I'm as strong as I'm supposed to be. Roger, are you gonna say something? Well, I was. You mentioned the word dross and metal, and I think it's, you've heard the story. Some of the audience may not have about how in the ancient times, they purified metal. Mhmm. Mhmm. Okay.
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They heat it up. They heat it up. And the dross, that word that Brent just used, the impurities, would come to the surface and they would scrape them off. And Yeah. And then they would continue to apply the heat to get more out. And they knew the metal was finished when they could see their reflection in what was left in the container. And I've heard many people take that exact thing and and attach it to the way God deals with us. And he burns out those impurities. And we go back and when he sees his reflection in us, then we're ready.
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Beautiful, Roger. Beautiful. Beautifully said. Thank you for that. I don't I like more than anything just illustrations. And Jesus Christ made illustrations, parables, similes, metaphors. Take us from something we in in life that we can see and understand and say, well, this principle that you know, you can this is the way it is with God. This is the way he does things. I had a guy tell me one time he went to South America somewhere. It was some ancient culture. And they said these women, they were Christian folk. These women would make these these pottery things that they'd use, you know. And the way they'd do it is they'd shape them with their hands on a pottery wheel, and then they'd put them in the kiln and harden them with heat.
And then when they come out, they'd take their finger and they'd pop them like you'd take your finger on your thumb and Oh, yeah. Pop something. Yeah. And he said when they'd make a certain ringing sound They knew it was rare. They knew it was done. It's like a champagne glass, you know, good crystal
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thumping. It's got that ring.
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Well, it's got that unique ring that well, you know what it is? It's that almost that same tone that an Apple iPhone puts off when you get a message. That's it. Yeah. Well, this fellow said that these these women in this little village that were doing this, they were Christian folks. That's why we're down there. He said these gals said, well, now that's the way our God does us. He puts us in the fire. Yep. And he takes us out and he gives us a flick with a finger. And if we don't make the right sound, he puts it back in again, puts us back in again. In other words, if you ain't singing when you come out of the fire, well, he'll put you back in. In other words, that's not funny. That hurts.
It's like
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cremation of Sam McGee.
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Yeah. Yeah. Well, these gals weren't stupid. They had it figured out what was how this works. Well, I was gonna tell you about my experience with APAC, and this is just your and when you go through the try the fiery trials, your pathway should lie. You you, you learn reality. That's what you learn, reality. And, yea, though you walk through the valley of the shadow of death, you don't need to fear any evil or thou art with me. You're in the valley of the shadow of death. Thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me. And then, of course, my cup runneth over and surely goodness and mercy. But he doesn't say that you're not gonna he's not gonna take you right through the valley and he's gonna keep taking you through. As a matter of fact, you live in perpetual warfare as a Christian man. The Islamic folk and the Semitic culture, they've got this much figured out about religion.
It's warfare. They understand that. That's why they're the sign of their religion is the the sword. Yeah. Look at their look at their symbol. The sign of our ours is not the sword, but let's recognize, friend, that our God is is the true god of war. Not to mention he's something that their god isn't. The god of of ultimate love. He's everything. Their god is just nothing but a war god and he he's a he's a piss ant. He's a demon god as all false gods are. But our god is the true god of war but also the true god of love. You know in all of their writings in Islam the word of the word love for love does not appear anywhere. That's not who God is.
It's do or die with their God. Their their only creed is obey Allah. Trouble is they don't have any clear guidance as to what to do. It's kinda odd. No statutes, no commandments, no judgments that are ultimate.
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They're so misguided.
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Yes. That's all false religion.
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Correct. Did they promote intermarriage in the family to us to a cousin? Oh. And now what that has born is a group of people who mentally many are just flat ass mentally deficient. And as an example, you like those, Brent, when the, Islam invasion of Europe has happened over the last number of years in Belgium, their mental health hospital, it was hardly filled. There was few people in it until the Muslims came and now it's overflowing.
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No. I get it, Roger. And that's that's a good illustration too of what a false religion is always always includes sex perversion. Always. Yeah. And it it comes in different ways and different forms. But of course, the Roman priests, have a had a terrible problem for many many centuries with sodomy and and abuse of nuns. That's that's part and partial to religion and abuse of little children, of course. As the Bible says, do not forbid to marry. Well, that's exactly what they do. They do what the Bible says not to do, and you're gonna have problems. I heard a mention the other day, just a casual thing.
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I think it was maybe in the e listen to e Michael Jones or somebody else. The pope recently had a had a dinner for transsexuals at the Vatican.
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Oh, I would I believe it. I believe it. But what folk think that there's something new about that when Henry the eighth closed all the monasteries and nunneries in England by his, power? He did as a politician would do today. He did a massive study. He commissioned a massive study of what goes on inside side of the the nunneries and the the, monasteries so that he would have public opinion on his side when he acted. That's not unusual. We've been doing that for centuries too. Yes. And that report came back and substantiated the horrible horror no. No.
Horrified. Horrifying. Gruesome things in your worst nightmare going on in the monasteries and the nunneries. And so he had a public support, political support, to shut him down. And he did. And he said no more of that, no more priesthood. And, by but this is historic. The byword in England since the earliest days, in the Anglo Saxon days, nothing new has been this. What good has any priest ever done for England? That's ancient in England. They just kept saying it and Rome never conclusively got its tent tentacle, the Roman Empire, and then the continuation of the canon civil laws of Rome through the church of Rome, never did get their tentacles conclusively around that island and still haven't. They're but they're they're fighting for their lives as we are. It's a fight. It never stops. The Christian life is a fight, but here's the beauty of it.
In that fight is shalom. The Old Testament translated peace that carries on in the New Testament, but shalom in the Semitic tongue, salam in the Arab tongue does not mean absence of absence of conflict and warfare. Salaam in Arabic, shalom in Hebrew and all of the other Semitic tongues means God's order, God's law, God's peace in the midst of battle. That's what it means. And I can show that over and over in the old testament the use of the word. And it means the same thing in the new testament. It is not peace. Jesus Christ said, I did not come to give you peace so the world brings you peace. What do you mean by that? Well, he said in the scholastic world, peace is absence of warfare for, tranquility forever. You know, the age of Aquarius and all that all that pagan stuff. No. No. No. No. No.
Peace is you have tranquility in the midst of madness. That's what God gives to men. Tranquility. Peace in the midst of a mad, mad, mad, mad, mad world. Weren't there five Mads in the name of that movie with Jonathan Winters,
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Mickey Rooney? Four. Okay. Mad, mad, mad, mad, mad, I think, with the palm trees that formed a w. Yeah.
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That's right. Well, that was funny because it's it's just getting in touch with reality. It is a mad, mad, mad, mad world. And how do you gain tranquility? The peace, as our common law says, the peace of every man is It's a Christian idea, a Christian reality. There's only one way to do it. Jesus Christ said, I'm the one that brings peace in the midst of madness. Yeah. So why is there war? Why didn't God stop the madness? I know this. He doesn't tell me everything. He tells me he won't stop it or he hasn't stopped it. I should say for right now, but he doesn't say why.
He doesn't say, but he says, here's what I want you to do. But I do know this, everything that God does whether you understand it or not is for one and the same purpose to glorify himself, to cause himself to appear what he is. Glorious, powerful, splendorous, magnanimous, loving, warlike, domineering. Yes. Domineering. The bible says that's what the word lord means in the old and new testament. He's the elodial lord to make him look more like what he is, and that's our job while we're here. And the way to do that is to submit to him. You don't I used to tell my children, we raised a pass with children. You don't have to kiss anybody's a double s. Nobody's, except mine and your mother's and that'll get you prepared to feel that way about the maker of heaven and earth.
Kiss the dirt to him. You know in our common law tradition we don't get down on our knees to nobody. That's that's an ancient doctrine in our common law tradition. We don't get down on our knees to nobody. Two knees. Two knees. You don't get down on two knees or beyond. You could fall on your face, get down on two knees before nobody but the maker of heaven and earth. I mean, even in England today, when the men are when the when the crown knights people, they are part of the common law tradition. They go down on one knee, not two. That's right. Just one.
That's an important distinction. And, of course, in America, we won't even do that. I mean, we take it further. No. We're not we're not bound to need an old man. Well, I think that's a good bible too, by the way. We pay homage. And we don't pay homage. Well, that's a figure of speech. We the bible says respect all men. Love the brotherhood. That's different. The brotherhood. Christian brotherhood. Fear God. Woah. That's even different yet. And then honor the king. Honor all men. Then on the other end, like two bookends, it says honor the king. Well, that's the same standard you're to give to every man. So what's the difference? There isn't any difference. That's the point Peter, the apostle makes. You honor all men.
Honor the king. He's a man just like you. But God the word yareth means all. Be awestruck. Oh, yeah. Like the folk there on Mount Carmel, you're kissing the dirt. The Lord, he is God. The Lord, he is God. You that that's necessary to your own dignity, friends. You don't have any dignity unless God gives it to you. There isn't any. Humble yourself under the mighty hand of God. He will lift you up. It won't happen in any other way. You try to do it some other way. You bootstrap yourself. He'll slap you down like a red headed stepchild and beat you like a rented mule. Beat you down. Oh, he didn't play games, friends. If he has to take you off the playing field and kill you, he'll do that too.
You see examples of it in history. And in the bible, we have clear examples of it. I'm fully convinced I've seen it in my own life. O over and over and over again, the wrath of God is constantly being revealed from the skies among men, says the book of Romans. I can see it. Let me get back to Apac. Let me get back. Can I, Roger, or are we? Yeah. Well, yes. Of course, you can. Well, I'll get back to what we were gonna talk about. But my experience
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That's why we love these Friday shows. Brent, we got some new folks who are hanging around like that. I don't know if they're are familiar with you or what we do here on these days. And, this is just what we do. We get off into these interesting discussions. Brent brings incredible historical and lexiconograph lexiconography, lexiconography, however you'd say that word on all these words, their real definitions, how they're applied, or how they should be applied. Uh-huh. And Well it's just wonderful. So that's one of the reasons we've been doing this so long is both of us enjoy it. Yeah. And I'm not gonna let Roger outdo me with big words here. I know some big words too.
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I know, like, hippopotamus. You heard that one before? I know that. Yes. I have. A few like that. How about anti disestablishmentarianism? I've heard that one. I've heard that one. Yeah. I can't spell it, but I've heard it. I don't think I can pronounce it. Well, I, want to preface what I'm gonna say here by saying that it's my firm conviction that the new birth of the spirit is the only possible way that any man I don't care whether you say you're a Jew, whatever that is. I don't think anybody can really define it except to say it's a religion. It's certainly not a race of men. That's that's silliness. That's historic silliness to say that at this point.
But it is a religion. I don't care who you are. The word of God is good for you, and it's good for me too because the more folk that feel cowed by God, with that are in awe of him and those that absolutely fear him in terror, and there are those two. It's good for me and good for everybody. Well, that restrains evil in this world. And without the restraint of evil in this world through the word of God, it would be unbearable, and we would destroy ourselves utterly at this point. That's what the Bible teaches. So whether a man is Christian or not, he needed the restraining influence of God's word. I'm quoting what the man that folks say is the greatest mind America ever produced, Jonathan Edwards.
He said, I don't know who the elect of God are. I preach to everybody because the word of God will restrain a man. It'll bring condemnation and guilt to those that are not God's elect. That's what he said. I'm quoting him. You can you can flesh that out if you want. I think he's right on that point. It restrains those that aren't Christian men and women and by condemnation, and it it guides to the peace of God to those that are born from above. They they hunger for it. They want it. Blessed are those that hunger and thirst after right headedness, said Jesus Christ.
That's fact. Well, so APAC. So I'm in politics. I can go down to the courthouse,
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got my bib overalls on. I do have No. Let me interrupt. For those of you who don't know, Brent was was, in that the Newt Gingrich contract on America period back in the year '94. Is that was that when it was? I started in politics then, and I ran
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three times because the folk I didn't know anything about politics. And the folks that said they would support me said, I'm not gonna support me unless you commit to at least two. And if you have two, three, run because you don't have any name recognition. It's all about name recognition. And you buy name recognition. That means you have to raise anywhere from 500,000 to a million dollars. And if you don't do that, you you don't run. That is stupid. You gotta have the money. It's what you buy. And you do it by, of course, learning how to how do you separate men and women from their money. That's what politics is all about. It's not about anything else, by the way, from the perspective of of politician. Of course, it's about other things, the doctrines and what is put into legislation. That's all important. Yeah. But for the politician, you gotta get into office to do or say anything. And all you're thinking about is, how can people like me enough to give me money? That's what it's all about, friends. Well, I didn't know that. I'm off the farm. I was out of the mining fields out west off the farm.
And, I had wanted to practice law, but I didn't have enough money to take the bar exam. In order to take the bar exam, you had, you have to take the preparatory course that has gained an absolute monopoly on passing the bar exam. And, the, the attorney general of the state said, Brent, you you're not gonna pass any bar. And he told me this personally. I was at on the campaign trail said, you're not gonna pass any bar exam unless, unless you take this course from the Barbary company. Because they send all their men from the company in to take the bar exams in every state every time the bar exam is offered. And they they're like they're incognito almost. They come out, and say, okay. Here's the questions that were asked on the bar exam. And then they have actuarial tables, and they say, okay. There's a 20% oh, over the years, you see. There's a 20% quest 20% probability this question will be asked and an 80% probability this question will be asked. So, therefore, put 80% of your study time and our course on this question and not not that question. And some questions they say, we're not even gonna look at this because it's never asked. It never has been. The chance of that question being asked on the bar exam of your state are zilch.
Well, I didn't have enough money to do that. So I had to try to get together. I think it was at that time $600. I had to have to take the course. I didn't have $600. I had six children. You can imagine how much it cost or what it cost or how do you feed six children, a wife, yourself? I had a couple of dogs. I didn't feed them cats. I probably had 30 or 40 cats at that time. I didn't feed them anything. I mean, if they didn't hunt, they didn't eat. I'd throw them scraps, which, of course, what my boys done anyway and kept them out around the corn crib and the grain bins, and the cats find plenty to eat, but you had to keep them hungry. And when I kept them hungry, that was easy. I didn't have it. I didn't buy them any dog food. And I in those days, I don't remember putting more than $10 worth of gasoline in our car. We had one car because I saved the other $10 in case of an emergency. I know that sounds crazy, but that's the way I was living my life.
And I I had, I was doing some legal work in the mining fields, and I was keeping up some men's claims. And that's how I got through law school, by the way. I wouldn't have got through law school if I hadn't taken care of the legal matters of water and and, land that tenancy on mining claims for other people. That's how I got through law school. I didn't have any money. I didn't have enough when I quit. The first year, I ran out of money. I had to quit. And then I went out and worked, as a geologist. And then I came back, and I had some work to do for minors. And I did that work and got two years later, I came back, got through law school. And, when I got out, of course, I didn't have anything. And then I was trying to scrape up enough money to take the bar exam. That that wasn't working.
In the meantime, I was still keeping up, mining claim for people. That's legal work, transactional stuff, water rights, that kind of thing, out west. But, if it hadn't been for me making garden and, venison, which people would give me for doing transactional stuff, venison, in other words, deer meat, they'd shoot deer, give me the meat, give me lots of meat, give me garden produce. I was raising garden. I was raising livestock. Neighbors, they or someone fella gave me a, sheep that I helped him worm one year and wormy sheep. That means you gotta take them, throw them up on her haunches, and shove a big pill down her throat with a special tool made for that. And while I had this sheep up on her haunches, she kicked a bucket on me.
You know, sheep are sheep are and goats same way. They're personable creatures. They don't want you to touch them, but they want to be able to see you. If they can't see you, they panic. Ours always did. They'd start screaming if they couldn't see me. Or goats. I had goats. Because I was milking goats, by the way, if I didn't have goats who wouldn't my children wouldn't have had any milk to drink. I was milking goats and making garden and raising livestock, and people were giving me things to do legal work. And I did clerk for a a state judge back at that time. Oh, there's a long story about how that happened. A small town. And I knew the lawyers, the local lawyers, and I knew the judges. And this judge let me an appellate judge, by the way, let me clerk for him for a year.
And that was good experience, really. I was writing he's gone now, so I can say this. He had me writing opinions. And, that's where I really began to learn how to write, and he helped me. And, he said, don't you ever tell anybody you're writing opinions because you don't have a law license. And I said, I know. But I've been through your law school at that point. He'd been nice to me. Fella had a limp. This old fella had a limp. I mean, really. He was, he went to Normandy on d day plus three. Third day after d day, of course, they went in on the waves. He said he was walking. 18 years old.
He was walking behind his company commander up a hill. And his company commander all of a sudden just fell down in front of him dead. Sniper got him right through the temple. And he said as soon as he fell down, he all of a sudden felt the awfulest, like somebody took a sledgehammer and hit him in the heel of his foot. Well, sniper killed the company commander and Corris calculated this is psychological warfare to wound men. You know, if you wound a man, you take more men out of action than than outright killing. That's where an m 16 was. Yeah. Yeah. Of course, you gotta have the corpsman taking care of you. You gotta have the other men, trying to get you to a corpsman. And so the sniper just started, of course, by the time he'd hit, hit judge Spit, he, he, the other men took cover, but he got two of them. Well, that he he limped, of course, the rest of his life.
And folk loved him. I did too. He he'd sit down, put his both his feet up on the table back before computers. And I was doing research for him in the law library in that little courthouse. And back when men smoked in the courthouse and he'd light up a cigarette and sat and smoked cigarettes and tell me stories. He I just can't tell you how much I appreciated him. Boy, that's a warm There's a warm scene you just described. Go ahead. Tell me war stories. Tell me about being a judge all those years. He said to me one time, Brent, judge being a judge ain't nothing or being a no. He said this. He was a trial judge for years, little little county. He said a trial is nothing but a swearing contest. It's all here.
A swearing contest. You swear one thing, the other fellow swearing another. And the the jury or the judge, depending upon whether it's a bench trial or a jury trial, has to decide who's telling the truth. He said that's all it is, Brent. And this so the discern discernment discernment as to who's telling the truth is the job of the jury in a jury trial. And guess who knows a liar better than anybody else, Roger? What would you say?
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Well, that gentleman probably.
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Well, I'd say a liar. Isn't that what we say? A liar knows a liar better than anybody else. Takes one to know one. Yeah. And, what what's the jury made up of? Liars. Just like the rest of us. We're prone to be liars. And we have lied, all of us, in different ways in our lives. Good and bad. For some say for good reasons, other for bad. We know. That's why we impanel the jury. We're not looking for experts. We're looking for the least esteemed among us. As the Bible says, when you impanel a jury, look for the least esteemed among you. Well, I I just learned a lot about law and, of course, doing that. Well, ended up and while I was running for congress, we raised over the period that I that I ran. I I I went into it whole hog. I I did a little few other things on the side, but not a lot. In other words, I was doing it on the side, but I was I felt like I was whole hog in the politics. And during that time, I had to go to where the money was. I had to get to known people known people. By the time I got to the end of my of my effort to try to get name recognition, the only man that had more name recognition in my 27 counties where I was running was Bill Clinton, the only man.
He had 97% 98 between ninety seven and ninety eight percent name recognition. I had 92. Uh-huh. And that's that's enough to get you elected. Sure. And that's all that that's all that matters. Well, as it turned out I had an international banker running again running again me and my final run which is the one that was really meaningful. And he had been a pretty young fella, and I had a a Jewish campaign manager. I'd had enough connections by that time going to Washington, DC. I had a Jewish campaign manager. His father was Jewish from Canada. He was a Canadian for you Canucks out there. And then his mother was American, and he lived in Chicago.
And I found out about him and helped another conservative run. He majored on conservatives. I loved the daylights out of him. He did me a good job. He's a sharp guy. But here's what happened, Roger. I may have told this story before, but here's what he told me. He said, Brent, we we do the poll numbers. And back then, Fabrizio, McLaughlin was the premier, pollster for the conservative side, which Republican side. Fabrizio McLaughlin was the name of the firm. I don't know if they're still around. And they did the polls, and they knew that in our state in our state, no woman would ever be governor at that time.
And so it was just a fool's errand to run a woman for governor. It was so impossible according to the polling. We did have a woman running for state treasurer and Judy, Judy Judy Barr, and she got in, but then she wanted to run for governor. And the party said that forget it. It's not gonna work. Well, she wanted to do it anyway, and she did it and lost. But the other thing, this this is a Jewish fellow telling me, this Jewish campaign manager. He said, Brent, no Jew will ever be elected as governor in this state. That's the polls. The way things are now, no Jew.
And no Jewish person will be elected, in your district for sure. It was a rural district for congressman. And they said, now this is just the facts of history. This is what he said. And this is the facts of the matter. People didn't talk ugly against Jews, in my congressional district, not much. It's kind of a silent thing, but they weren't gonna vote for him, a Jew. That's what they said. And the same thing, by the way, is true in countries like France. I talked to a fellow from France. He said, everybody knows he's this guy, he was working in in Reno, Nevada or not Reno.
Yeah. Reno. No. Yeah. Reno, Nevada, managing a restaurant. I met him. I said, what are you doing here? He said, I'm a French patriot. He said, I'm French military. I was a paratrooper and all that stuff. He said, I just couldn't stand it anymore.
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But it's the end of the top of the hour. Should I stop Paul and say who we are? I I our I don't think we have those folks with us today. I'm sure that's why mister Paul Hatton, jumped in. So, if you but we if you're gonna deviate and do that right now, which you can. Oh. We wanna peg because I'm I'm really into what you're saying right now. Okay. I'll just say this is Brent, Brent Allen Winters, commonlawyer.com.
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Commonlawyer.com. Go to the website and you can see what we do there. We offer classes. We write books. We have Bible. We've translated the Bible. We've got a whole lot of stuff. Look at them. And this is I'm here of course with Roger Sales who doesn't like to blow his own horn. I don't much like it either, but sometimes it has to be done on this platform. But, Roger Sales has a website too. Please say your website, Roger.
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The matrix docs. The matrix docs. The matrix.
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Excuse me. Yeah. You can see what Roger's up to and why he says what he says, and he has written a book on the subject. And you can find out why, why he believes what he believes. Well, getting back to what we were doing, this fellow said to me, Brent, this fellow run running against you. By the way, he he is he was funded and his campaign manager funded by, a senator from Missouri who would never talk to me, and I found out why. A senator who he wanted to be president, and he ran for president. And his name was, John Ashcroft.
And John Ashcroft was, a PK preacher's kid who held a bible study in his in his, senatorial office. I'd been to Washington DC dozens of times. He would not see me. You know the custom is. This is the unwritten custom. When you run for congress, you contact the congressman on your right, of your district, on the left of your district, above your district, below your district, and the senators that are in neighboring states. And you just put them on notice. Introduce yourself and say, just, courtesy, I want to let you know who I am. I'm in your party. No. You don't introduce yourself to people not in your party, the ones that are in your party. Well, that meant I need to go to congressman White in Kentucky and Hostetler in Indiana and and, the senator in Missouri and Indiana and and all that. I did all that. And I and then the ones who thought would support you, like Ron Paul, I went to Washington, DC. And every time I went to Ron Paul's office, he'd kick the door open, kick back, and say, talk talk to me.
And he never said a word. He just asked questions. So he and he supported me to the hilt, by the way. Every time I ran, he gave me the maximum of what law maximum of what law would allow. I had the pleasure of meeting and shaking his hand at a campaign thing in Atlanta one time.
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Really nice guy.
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Oh, yes. He's just a kind man from Gettysburg. I believe Gettysburg, Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania. That's where he's from. Well, and some of you that, maybe, did some reading on your own, but they don't teach you in school. That that was the turning point of that horrible war between the North and South was at a place called Gettysburg. Mhmm. Little village up there. Well, anyway, coming back to the point. So, Ashcroft would never meet with me. I couldn't understand why. I had worked for a man that had supported him when he ran for governor in Missouri. I had worked I had law clerk for a law professor at that time who was closely related to him and had sought this law clerk had sought appointment to the Supreme Court of the state of Missouri because governors and he was governor at that time, Missouri.
It was all in my neck of the woods. He was the governor of Missouri. He sought his appointment. And, so I was familiar with him. I'd met him, but he wouldn't have anything to do with me because his handlers said to him, APAC. APAC is what we call it. It's AI PAC. Back then, I don't know what to call it now. They said, look, you knock winners out. If you wanna be president, you're gonna we're gonna support you. You gotta do some things for us. You gotta knock winners out. And I want you to know again, Roger, to say to you, I never spoke about Jews. I I am not antisemitic.
I know what that means. No. No. I'm not. Semites are all over the world. The Arabs are Semites. I'm not an anti Semitic. The true Israel, wherever they are, they're Semites. They're sons of Shem, one of the three sons of Noah. That's means they're Semitic. I'm not like that, and I don't talk ugly about them. I'm very careful not to do that. I do, whatever I say about them. I try to confine it and I recommend this method to you. I believe it's biblical. Confine your criticism to Judaism, to what the Bible clearly says about Judaism, and the Bible has a lot to say. And then you you there's not no way to really attack you.
I I believe that's the way to do it. I believe that's what Jesus Christ commands us to do. You know, Judaism is the prototype of all false religion in the New Testament and in a lot of the Old Testament. What is Judaism? The religion of the Old Testament? Absolutely not. No. No. No. No. We don't call it Babylonian Judaism for nothing because it is the religion of the what we call the Babylonian Talmud. The Babylonian Talmud. Yeah. It's not the Bible. That's not it. And to understand that and they don't they don't know, and their religion doesn't teach much about the Bible. They kiss the Torah. They worship it like an idol, but they don't know anything about it. And then Jesus Christ said that. He said, you not knowing, not knowing, not knowing. Can I say that again? Not knowing the law of God, the Torah. You don't know it. It's not important to you. It's an idol to you as it is with them today. But now the Talmud, they know that. And that's not worth knowing much. That's dangerous.
I say that because Jesus Christ said that. I say that because Paul the apostle, when he said, I count all of that as human feces. And he had a four letter word for it that we use equivalent to our word today. What is scooted out of your body? Scudzo. It's a it's a Greek word. Dung. The, the old translation is dung. But it's human dung. That's what Paul the Apostle and he knew it better than anybody. He was their yellow haired boy coming up through the ranks real quick, the rising star. So what do I say? I say this. I say this. The the Messiah of Israel, the the the hope of Israel is not the holocaust.
No. The hope of Israel, whoever you define Israel to be, I don't care who you define it to be for this statement. For purposes of this statement, it doesn't make any difference how you define Israel. The only possible hope is Jesus the Christ. And he's the only hope for anything in God's creation. Period. End of paragraph. End of sentence. End of paragraph. Come back to that. That's where we should put our attention and, if you worship, whatever you worship, you will become more and more alike too. I don't wanna worship things that I don't like. I like Jesus Christ. I read about him. There's nothing more sublime in the world. Nothing more manly. Nothing more wise. Nothing more perfect in body, soul, and spirit than him.
And they that worship them shall be like unto them. That statement was made in the Old Testament about idols, deaf, dumb, blind, and stupid. Oh, I don't want that. Well, anyway, let me get back to the point. So I was running and, running against this fellow named Berg, b e r g. That made me laugh because Buddy Hackett used to tell that joke about a fellow that, was, he, was talking to a I remember the whole joke. He was talking to a Chinaman or something. Oh, and he was talking yeah. Chinaman. He said, well, you guys are the ones that bob bombed Pearl Harbor. Right? A Jewish fellow talking to a Chinaman. And this is a a Jewish man telling this joke. I think Buddy Hackett was Jewish. I don't know. I'm pretty sure that's correct. Yeah. Buddy and it was funny. And he said he said, I don't like you. You're you're the fellows that started World War two when you bombed Pearl Harbor. He said, wait a minute. I'm Chinese.
I the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. And this guy says, well, he goes, and that's all the same to me. All you Orientals, Chinese, Japanese, Taiwanese, whatever. You guys are the bomb the ones that bombed Pearl Harbor. He said, well, that ain't nothing. You guys are the ones that sunk the Titanic. So So what are you talking about? The China man never China no Chinese man sunk the Titanic. He said, well, as far as I'm concerned, you did. He said, Rosenberg, Steelberg, Iceberg, all the same to me. You're the ones that sunk the Titanic. Well, that's an approach to reality.
That is not reality. There are distinctions between people, and I don't want to be labeled as a racist. What is racism? That's another question that's never defined as you know. A good one. A good one. Nobody points that out. Racism is here's what I how I define it. For my purposes of my life, racism is withholding the word of God from a group of people because they have a different color of skin than I do. I'm not gonna do that. No. No. No. No. God says preach it to every creature and start with people that have two legs, two arms, and two eyes, and, look like me in that respect. You say, well, they're not the race of Adam. Well, whether or not they are, and I know there are plenty of people and who say they are not the race of Adam. I'm not gonna quarrel that with them. I'm just gonna say that they get the word of God just like I do. I'm entitled to it. God wants it to go out. I'm putting her out. And to not do that is racism.
No. No. That's racism. Now that's my definition for what it's worth. And I'm not gonna withhold. And God whoever they are, let's say that you say they're members of Adam's race. Okay. If they're members of Adam's race, God made them. Oh, they're not members of Adam's race. Oh, God made them too. Oh, they're demons. Well, God made them too. Are there snakes and reptiles? Well, God made them too. So the word of God goes out to everybody. And by the way, there's this is a whole, it has it it it requires more unpacking, but it is true. It is true that the trust settlement of God is with all of his creation.
And the Bible makes that clear when Noah disembarked the ark. And it's the the language there is clear. And that and that means the living creatures. But, you know, we had that what was that? Saint Francis Assisi. He was the one that was famous for preaching to the wolves. Remember? He gave barefoot in the snow preaching to wolves. They said, what? You're you're an idiot. People thought he was insane. Why are you doing this? Well, the Bible says, preach the gospel to every creature. Well, that's in a dubious verse that I would question whether or not it's in any manuscript of the Bible. Really? Really? Oh, yeah. It's gotta be in a Greek manuscript someplace, and I don't see that that's really the case, one that's reliable. But but he his point was or I take the point from that. The first principle is that it is true that everything and everybody and all creatures are entitled to the protection that the word of God gives.
And what will it be to me if I don't just say, hey, it's all out there. You guys want it? I'll give it to you. And to say otherwise is racism. No. No. I criticize, of course, false religion. Bible calls me to do that, especially in my position. I I'm gonna tell you what the Bible says is a lie if I can figure it out and feel confident about it. Well, coming back to the situation with these, this Jewish fellow, he said, listen to this, Roger. This was genius, and it's reality in politics. He said, this guy's name is Berg, you know, like iceberg.
But as far as I knew he was from a a settlement of German immigrants that were farmers. And I knew where the settlement was. And of course that's a German name. But Ashkenazi Jews have burg because they were from Ashkenazi culture. Correct. Yeah. You and Roger, you. Yeah. You get it. B u n b e. Yeah. Yeah. Well, he but I had as far as I knew, he was a Lutheran, because they were it was a Lutheran settlement. It was a Protestant settlement. It wasn't a Roman settlement. There are those two. You know, it's kinda like in Germany. They're they're in in as you go from Bavaria, there's all the Roman Catholic settlements and farmers, and you move into Northern Germany and Saxony, and they become more and more Lutheran until they're just nothing but pure Lutheran.
Well, there were settlements of those people in the Midwest, by the way. And they came down the Ohio River, and they settled in, on both sides of the river, and you can find them all over and then spilling over into Kansas and Nebraska and way on out there in Iowa and the Dakotas. And they're the German and Scandinavian settlements ended up in Minnesota. Some of them are Roman settlements of farmers, and some of them there are some of them are Lutheran. Well, I knew this fellow was from that settlement. And by the way, they spoke German in their churches at that time. They held their services in German.
Wow. But this guy said to me, this guy is a banker. He's an international banker. We wanna beat him. You wanna beat him? Yeah. I wanna beat him. Okay. Here's all you gotta do and you'll beat him. This guy understood these things and he assured me that I beat him in the primary. And I did. And there were five or six, three or five or six people running, I think. And, we were the two front runners because we were funded. And, he had a lot of funding from a lot of people, Ashcroft being one of them. He said every time you say this guy's name in public, which is Berg, always include the word banker.
Every time you say his word bird the word the name Berg include banker. And every time you say the word banker, always say Berg. And you won't have to say it, but everybody will be afraid that he's Jewish like me. And people won't vote for him. The polling is clear. This is the way politics works, friends. And I was being honest saying Berg the banker. Bank the banker Berg. Well, you know what Berg the banker says and then debates. And when I was in public, they'd ask me about him. I'd always say the same thing. The Berg is a banker. The banker Berg, Berg the banker. And not only did I beat him, and he was funded much better than me and had the endorsement of all the big shots in Washington, I beat him two to one right at two to one. Yeah. Well, that's the reality of politics. I learned a valuable lesson about all of it. I I understand, how people get all in office. You know, Newt Gingrich was very famous for a long time. He wasn't from Georgia.
He was congressman from Georgia. He wasn't from there. Nope. He shopped all over The United States when he got into politics to find a place where he could win the easiest and did the poll, spent the money, and that's where he ran. And he got in. He stayed in for a long time, became speaker of the house.
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I think I told you his, his Georgia office was it may have been four miles from my house where I lived there for so many years. Oh, yeah. I mean and they wanna make sure you feel like you know him. Well,
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I knew, man. I was at one I met went to one political meeting. I ran in my home county, in my home county, in my home district, in my home state. People knew me, and I found out as I ran 27 counties, Roger. People had heard of they hadn't heard of me. They knew my granddad. You wouldn't believe how many people I met that said, I went to school to your granddad, or my dad went to school to your granddad. My granddad taught these little one room school houses around our neck of the woods for twenty seven years. He knew everybody. One of those kind of guys, you know. Mhmm. Yeah. A democrat, by the way. Democrat. Ran for justice of the peace as a democrat.
But, that was the Kentucky side of the family. You heard me talk about that. But Iran beat this guy two to one. Of course, then the next question was, how do I win the other race? Well, we don't want to offend AIPAC if you can help it. And I've been never one to just I never talked about homosexuals and sodomites and lesbians and Jews and ape I didn't talk about any of that the whole time I ran for Congress. I never brought it up because it'd be stupid to do so. My supporters wanted me in office. And one thing and, Roger, you know or remember, Roger, you remember Pete Peters. We've talked about him.
One of the most enlightening Roger, you there? I'm right here. I just, listen. Yeah. Roger, one of the most enlightening presentations Pete ever made, there were two enlightening series of presentations that are telling just about reality. One of them is Pete's 12 presentations on the King James Bible. Those are worth listening to. He did a very good job. He studied hard. Okay. The other one is his presentations on Jewish power and his experience.
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With?
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Yes. And the well, maybe the reason I I listen to it. I'm not saying, as you know, Roger, that I agree with all Pete's, identity, theology. I don't. But I I like him for a couple of reasons. He's a he's a he's cowboy. I mean, he he grew up in the Sandhills, Nebraska, and he tried rodeo and he raised cattle. And and I a plow boy like me, I can identify with Pete, the way he talked, what he believed, just the humility of it, all the humbleness and how life beat the boy down and it beat him down hard. Yes, it did. And, I recognize that because he was and he testified to it. He was up against something he didn't understand.
No. He went through college and he he was a member of the John Birch. He loved America, and they said the pledge of allegiance, and he makes these points. And but he said, I didn't understand. I didn't understand politics, even though I did all those things. And he invited a man to come and speak at his church who had received a field commission in World War two, under general Patton. And he went on, at and with his commission and and the Korean conflict, he was the first prisoner of war taken in Korea. Long story, he was an an adviser in Korea to the, Korean military before before the war and broke finally broke out.
He came back to America and he began to lecture upon what he called, which Tucker Carlson's talking about now, Jewish power. And he invited this fellow to come and talk in their little tiny church in La Porte, Colorado. And boy, they came down on the the Jewish community, all the power they had behind them. And he tells his testimony of what happened. Then it ended with him being be gonna be called before a grand jury and face an indictment for the murder of a Jewish talk show host in Colorado. It really happened. His name was Berg too, by the way, the talk talk show host. He had nothing to do with it. And I don't I'm not convinced the people they sent to prison that died there had anything to do with it either.
But but the the through the power of the networking of that religious community, he was brought up, he was a target, a grand jury target for, conspiracy to murder. Well, he tells that story and that's worth listening to. But with me it it wasn't that way. It was just I was running for office and of course they the APAC, that's American Israeli PAC, wanted my support. What they do to you and they did these things to me as I ran. They they brought me into their they have a lot of organizations in Washington, DC. And they all said to me, listen. You get elected.
There are a lot of things that you're gonna need. And we have resources. We spend all our time here at different organizations. APAC was just one, that can provide you with information. And we and by the way, if you wanna go to Israel, we we we give you tours of the state of Israel, all expenses paid. Oh, shoot. How could you say no? Did I say no? Yes. I said no. Why? Because I had campaigning I wanted to do, and I didn't wanna get involved with whatever was going on over there. And I know in politics, I had this much figured out, Roger. Anybody gives you something, you owe something back. There's a there's a hook in there. There has to be, and that is the nature of life in general. It's not just politics.
Now there a quote. Yeah. That's why Bible the Bible says, Roger, getting back, I love the brotherhood. Love the brotherhood. There's no hooks in that. And you love them until you can't afford to do it anymore. And I've had that experience too. But I've committed myself. I choose who my who I'm gonna love, Roger. And that's an important an important relationship, and it needs a biblical definition to understand what that love is. And most people talk about agape love and all that, but really, what does it mean biblically? And I've landed, and I believe I know, and I like it. I like it. People oh, it's unconditional love. No. No. It's more than that. It's more than that. Is it unconditional? Yes. But it but how do you flesh that out?
I unconditionally love my children. They turn on me, they won't think I love them. No. The bible commands me to be that way. Your unconditional love demands brutality in just as many cases as not. And I've been involved in that all of my life. That's what God wants. God's the love of God here's what the love of God is. Is. The love of God is doing toward the other fella what the law of God says, whether you understand it or not, whether you like it or not, whether he understands it or not, that's the love of God. The love of God is not feeling warm fuzzies toward anybody. Now if you have that the warm fuzzies come to you, well, that's gravy on the top. That's a different word in the Old Testament, puleo.
But don't count on that. Love is doing what the law of God, the will of the sovereign, that's all through the Bible, cover to cover, lid to lid, doing that toward the other feller. That's what it is. Whether you understand it, know it, or like it. Oh, yes. Well
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Brent? Yes. I think we should stop and keep we could double back a little bit and talk about Pete and, Colonel Jack Moore. Go ahead, Roger. Because there are a bunch of people that don't know who these folks are, and they're very instrumental in where we are. Mhmm. Even though you never heard of them, this little preacher, Pat Pete Peters' website still kept up. Mhmm. It's scripturesforamerica.org. Scripturesforamerica.org. Brent referred to his, series. He used to have a show on, WWC, our shortwave at night. And, back when we the only place we could get this information was out of Nashville on shortwave, generally, before the Internet got really fully geared up. And, he had a I think it was a six part series called the King James only version.
I thought it was a dozen, but either way, it's good. Roger Well, he had a couple that preceded it that you could say were included in it, but weren't really on the point. One of them was a guy that was a biographer that did a biography of King James. And I wish I could remember his name. He'd done several on Woodrow Wilson and other people, but this guy, was I wonder how many in our audience know that King James was a was a homosexual, a screaming one. Okay? Well, yeah. The Scots called him Shamie Jamie. And he his mother, Mary Queen of Scots, he they he they made him watch her cut her head off.
And he went into a room. He didn't eat, sleep, eat, talk, or or drink for three days. And when he came out, he never spoke about it the rest of his life. Mhmm. That's King James. Okay? Mhmm. So, anyway, that's the kind of information that was part of that series, scripturesforamerica.org. The big problem with it is they didn't label the episodes or give you a description of the episodes. So he's got all of his shows and a lot of his other stuff up there, but it's like, you know, just, you're just taking a chance, go through them. I wish that somebody over there would find out and do what Paul has done is attach us to this archive thing that's attached to AI. Brent, you should hear what this AI generated thing refers to as a program.
When it goes back and describes a program, it's just incredibly accurate. Oh, I'm really impressed.
[01:26:01] Unknown:
We're experiencing the same thing in the legal community when we write briefs and do research. If you're willing to pay for it, they cost a lot. A lot of law firm firms don't have it, but it's accurate and reliable. Stuff on the Internet is not so much.
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But, Roger Well, thank you for messing up. Okay. Well, I I I wanted one more segment if you'll give it to me on my program here, and that is who you referred to as Colonel Jack Moore. You didn't give his name. I did not know that he was Patton's assistant. Yeah. Mhmm. Now see, I that's new information for me today. This guy was, as Brent said, the first guy captured in Korea. They, 12 times they sentenced him to death and told him he was gonna be executed. They'd give him his last meal, a cigarette or whatever, take you out blindfold you, ready, aim, fire, and the firing squad's, firing pins would fall on empty chambers.
Mhmm. You can imagine going through that even once. Mhmm. Finally, he would let it go. And, then when he came back, of course, John Birch Society was new. They were anti communist. He'd just gone through that ordeal with the communist. So he became their instant number one speaker of the John Birch Society. Mhmm. And he was so until one night in his hometown, about the middle of a tour, Little Rock, Arkansas. Mhmm. And, he first time that he brought Zionists and the Jewish element into his talk, and John Birch Society kicked him out that night. He when the sun rose, he was not in John Birch, and he wasn't on tour anymore.
Mhmm. So as for as many good things as those people do, they're kind of an eat, meet, and retreat organization. And and and and, you know, you'll never hear him come back on Zionism. Robert Welch, the founder of John Birch, was the heir to the Welch candy company. Mhmm. Little peppermint swirlies you'll see at this time of year. Mhmm. And, they gave him
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Gave him what, Roger? We we lost Roger or Paul, did we? Paul, are you there?
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Maybe I'm here.
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I'm here. Paul, keep it rolling. Oh, what a great guy. Oh, there you got him. There you got him. Hello?
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We're here, Roger. Okay. Yeah. We missed the last thirty seconds. We missed the last thirty seconds of what you said. You went you went dark. M o colonel,
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Moore, m o h r, and, Jack Moore was his name. And I believe he had a section on scriptures for america.org, and I'll bet it's still there. If you wanna follow-up on any of these things, p peters, this guy we've been talking about from had a church in La Porte, Colorado.
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And We have a new student in the classroom this morning. There's a new student in the classroom. Let's welcome her.
[01:29:11] Unknown:
There's some new students. We welcome everybody. Thank you. Pastor Pete was a pastor. He finally gotten into pastor. He crossed paths with a guy that influenced a whole bunch of our contemporary people. Get a little older in the tooth, Brent. Mhmm. And that would be Sheldon Emery Mhmm. Who spawned an awful lot of these identity pastors, Pete Peter being one of them. Mhmm. After that experience in this little his little church, La Porte, Colorado, Church of Christ, when Bill Clinton got elected and named Janet Reno as the attorney general, they named him the most dangerous man in America, Pete Peters.
[01:29:53] Unknown:
Yeah. Pete and again to stress, for myself, I don't follow the identity doctrine, and I have good reason for it. I knew a fellow once, a good reason, I think a biblical reason. But I knew a fellow once. I've met him and became acquainted with him. His name was Tom Claus, c l a u s c, I believe. And Tom was Mohawk Indian, And he used to say he ran. He was a Christian evangelist, and he ran a an organization. I forget exactly the name of it, but the thing I remember about him, among other things was, he'd constantly say, I'm proud to be an Indian by race. Said this too, salvation is not by race. Salvation is not by race.
Salvation is not by race, it's by grace and it's available to all of mankind. Whoever you think you are, the nation, the biblical nation of Israel, descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. God said that that nation is a nation of priests given for the benefit of all of Adam's race to to produce and deliver up for bloody sacrifice the Messiah of God, and they did. They didn't want to. They tried not to, And God said, okay. I'm I'll still get my straight lick with this crooked stick called the nation of Israel. And he did, and they did it. And because of Israel that's why Paul the Apostle says in Romans, be thankful for the nation Israel.
Whoever they are, be thankful for them. Yeah. And be thankful that they have rejected the messiah because because he said, in that they have rejected the messiah of God, you are given salvation eternally, eternal safety from hell. That's what Paul says. Now you say, I don't believe that. Well, that's what it says. That's what I accept. And I've One fellow said, I've studied the Greek text here where it says that, and you know what it means? It means exactly what it says in English. That's what it means. That's all true. Let's start with that.
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I think we might not be able to identify who Israel is. Uh-huh. Have ideas.
[01:32:33] Unknown:
Oh, well, yeah. Of course. We well damn sure guarantee you we can figure out who they're not. Well, that that's a good point, Roger. But Tom Tom made the point about salvation being by grace and not race. And we wanna stress that here. And when it comes to Americans, we're we're more mixed up than anybody in the world. I just going back to the little graveyard goes back four. In one case, it's five generations where my folk first came into the country where I grew up. And, in that mix is, well, more than I can look at the gravestones as I said, and I can say, well, I think they're from this country or that country because the names are obvious. I mean, if something says Mackenzie or Douglas, that's pretty obvious.
If something says, something says unknown, well, I don't, I don't know, but I have it on testimony about some of those folk. But is that the important point for me? No. No. Because I can't even prove it. Gravestones aren't conclusive either. But I have testimony from my family, but is that No. No. That's not the important point. The important point is that I God gets me down. I'm The the the laws of nature is God condemned me. And then I'm fall upon my knees, and then I recognize the laws of nature's God and the revelation of Jesus Christ and tells me about him and why and how and what he did, then I know I have salvation by grace. What is grace? Let's make it simple folks. I've read volumes on what grace is. I'm really put off by it. And I have read the volumes by the way, and a whole lot of other stuff.
Oh, it's unmerited favor. Oh, I agree. We got our classic preacher examples. That's not it. What is it? Let's give it the the English translation. Grace translated into English is the English word welcome. Welcome. And in the winterized version translation of the Bible, I translate it that way every time the Hebrew word Cain and the new Testament charis, every time I just say welcome. That's the simplicity of it. Because I don't care how bad you want what God has for you like Jacob clutching for it, wrestling God for it, and you gotta want it that bad. I don't care how bad you want it. In the final analysis, who has to say, come on in. You're welcome. You're welcome to come on in. Who has to say that? You? No. Him.
He's sovereign, not you. And it is the welcome of God that God uses to give us eternal safety from hell. And once you've got that then the law of God, the will of the sovereign, what he wants becomes becomes your greatest ambition to know it and do it. And then you do that. Well getting back to getting back to APAC. So my first introduction with them was I was invited to a gala, got a fancy thing in the mail, said all those that are running for Congress are gonna be there. You're gonna be there, and this is in your honor. And then, of course, it was gonna they were gonna put on the dog for old Brent. Well, that's what I shucks. I gotta go to Washington, DC. We'll have a table for you. We'll have somebody to come and reach you when you come in and on and on they went. And I went.
I took missus Brent with me, and I went in early. I was excited. All the tables were there with names, you know, the names of the people where they're supposed to sit. And it was not hundreds but thousands. It was a big place. I remember that, fancy place in Washington DC. We looked and looked and looked and finally found my name, and it was way in the back. And so mister and missus Brent sat down, And, everybody started coming in. The place started filling up. And not only not only were we in the back, there were two tables between us and anybody sitting close to us.
So finally there's one old handsome feller, white headed, handsome gentleman, a gentlemanly kind of fella. I say handsome, just looked like a man. Wasn't that he was movie star material, but he was manliness, you know? And he was at that with his wife and a few other people, two tables in front of us. And they started putting on the performances upfront about had to have a binoculars to see it. And he leaned over and said, hey. Had a deep southern accent. I remember. Hey. He said, you wanna come up here and set with us? We'll we'll pull his chairs apart and you and your missus can set with us. I said, okay. And I came up and he said, hello. What's your name? And I said, my name, Brent.
So what are you doing here? He said, that I'm running for congress. He said, well, I'm congressman so and so from North Carolina. I remember that part. And I'm head of the armed forces committee. And he said, do you wanna be on the armed forces committee? I said, yeah. I said, that'd be a good start, wouldn't it? He said, yeah. I think so. He said, we need men on the armed forces committee that with me that, don't want the armed forces to be transvestites and sodomites and homosexuals. He said, where do you stand on that? He said, well, I said, I'm from nowhere. I'm just, I grew up hayseed and I don't think that's a good idea.
He said, well, I don't either. And he said, matter of fact, this whole discussion, Clinton want to let all these sex pervert send. He said, I tell them where I come from. You you don't even talk about stuff like that in public. He said, that's how I feel about it. I said, I do too. He's I said, do you talk about it as a congressman? He said, no. I said, I don't wanna talk about it either on my campaign. He said, you get in Congress, I'll get you in. Well, now here was a congressman that was, had a powerful position in the US Congress funding of our military. And they had him sitting in the back, but not like we used to say they've shoved him. They've shoved me so far back. They'd have to feed me with a pea shooter. You've heard that, Ebony. That's kinda where I was back there in the back. Well, that was my introduction. And then they contacted me, wanna tell me what they do for me and how much they love me. And they got me in. I went to their to their, their organization. They had lots of them. I went to this one fellow. They latched on to me. It was a anti tax organization. I walked in the office and they wanted to sit down and talk with me, and they had their little skull caps on their heads. And one fellow set me down and I was walking through the place before I sat down and I saw a plaque with some Hebrew writing on it.
And I said, you fellas read this stuff? He said, yeah. We've all been to Bar Mitzvah. Now I tell you and my our listeners, if you go to Bar Mitzvah, that doesn't mean you know much anything. And you may be able to do the Hebrew alphabet, but that's about it. That's about it. They really don't know much about the old testament, as I've said before. And I looked at it and I just started reading it and I was showing off. I was showing off a little bit. Just a little. He stopped and stared at me. I said, I'll tell you what I'm looking for. I said, Juan, I said, I homeschool my children and I'm looking for an elemental book on Hebrew. Do you have one you would recommend? Because I want my children. I've got books, you know, that I read. I he said, you know Hebrew? I said, well, I can work with it. I've been studying it for years. I love it.
And all of a sudden, things got kinda cold. And I found out later, Roger, and I don't wanna spend any time studying it. I don't care and I don't it's a waste of my life. My life's too short to study the Talmud. But I heard later that if any body that's not part of their religious, their religious organization called Judaism. Yeah. If you it's, it's the death penalty. That's what it says in the Talmud. If you a non votary of Judaism like me studies Hebrew in the old Testament. Well, that's what I do. That's what I love to do. I've been doing it for over forty years. I love the, I love the Hebrew tongue and it's just what I blast onto early on for whatever reason, and here we go. And I've been doing it ever since.
I'm addicted to it at this point. I was addicted to it at that point, and they took a cold shoulder toward me. I wanna just say, probably they were a little jaundiced on that.
[01:40:52] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. I wonder why. You might be able to read all the trash that's in there?
[01:40:58] Unknown:
Well, no, no, no. I I I you make a point, Roger. What it is, my understand understanding now is if you really know the old testament, you know the scam they're running about what it says. You see the rabbis, especially in the middle ages with Muhammadis, and and the Masoretes, the Masoretes, They put their spin on the Hebrew tongue and the old Testament. And they have, they've been doing that ever since. They're not putting a Christian spin on it. They're putting Judaism, Babylonian Judaism spin on it with their vowel points and their, their interpretations. And, that's what the Talmud is. See, what they do, that's why Jesus Christ said in the sermon on the mountain, you have heard it said.
He said that over and over and over. You have heard it said, but I say unto you, you have heard it said, and then they'll quote something, an interpretation or yeah, some false interpretation of the old Testament. Well, why, why did he do that? Because, and then the people said after that, they had never heard a man teach with such authority. Well, why were they doing that? Because Jesus Christ as a member of the Godhead is the giver of the law. It's his law. He knows what's intended. And when he delivered the sermon on the mountain, what he is doing is giving you the true gloss, the true interpretation, the true application of the law of God that he gave to Moses.
What were the rabbis doing? That the Talmud is their interpretation of the law of God. And when he said, you have heard it said, and then he would quote what the rabbi say, he's saying that's false interpretation. I'm gonna give you the true one. That's what he was saying. Mhmm. And of course, he doesn't cover everything they say, but enough of it that you get you get the main points. And of course, then when you couple that with all the things he said to the pharasites, it became it becomes clear in first principle what the problem is. So the law, the interpretation of the, the Talmud is their spin. And it's a false spin, a false religion on the law of God. That's what they don't want people to know. That's why a man who studies Hebrew of the old testament without influence to the rabbis. I say to people, look, I even learned some of this stuff because, like all the vowel pointings of the rabbis, those things are okay. But there are a lot of things about those. Okay. That doesn't mean much. A lot of things about those vowel pointings of the Masoretes, the Masoretes as they call them, that may or may not be true. As a matter of fact, some of them clearly aren't.
And a lot of the doctrines and our interpretation of the Bible Well, we we get the gospel from the King James. Don't think you don't. Don't think you can't get it from the the nearly inspired version, the n I v as well. But they're still dangerous when it comes to really getting deeper into it. God's word comes through to us. Martin Luther wrote extensively. I'm not a Lutheran. I'm not a Lutheran. I don't want anybody to think I am. False doctrine. Well, Lutheranism today is malanctonism. It's not Lutheranism. Luther had a lot of a lot of solid, positions on the Bible. Had some false ones too.
But Martin Luther was an a pioneer in bible translation. And he wrote a lot about it. And the one one thing he pointed out, and this is helpful and he's right. When you translate the bible and spend your life looking at it, and he did, you see things that aren't right in a lot of the translations. But he noticed, for example, in the official translation of the Roman shirt, the Vulgate, he noticed that, the truth still comes out even where the translation is woefully lacking. God delivers his gospel. What is the good news of Jesus Christ? The good news of Jesus Christ is that you can't save yourself from eternal hell by following the law of God. That's the good news.
Cause you can't do that anyway. I mean you're too rotten. That's good news friends. Well, what else is good news? The good news according to the Bible is after he saves you from eternal hell by his grace, his welcome. Not by you commending yourself to him by being a good little boy or girl. Well, that's not it. It's because he says welcome. You've accepted the sacrifice for your capital crimes. You're in? Okay. Now what are we the good news is now that God has given us a law that may gives us an opportunity to lead decent life life here on Earth. That's the good news.
And without which life would be unbearable. The restraining force, you know, our ancestors, it is true. These folk that the identity people identify, you know, they say the Germanic Scandinavian and Celtic people and and related tribes. But these folks did deliver the word of God to those of us of common law culture. I call it the common law English speaking culture. God in his providence delivered those Oracles, those writs of God to us, the Bible through that group. Fascinating history. It's a history I focus my mind on because it's my culture. And then by the time it gets to America through the the From the North Of Europe to the island of of Britain and then to America, it explodes over here.
And to understand the culture of Christianity in America is the outworking, God's most recent and widest outworking. The first time in the history of mankind that there is a Christian nation by something other than official decree of government. That's America. Rent. The first somebody gonna say something?
[01:46:49] Unknown:
I think somebody would like to say something.
[01:46:52] Unknown:
Yes, sir. Could you please good morning. Could you please, spell and or define Melanchthianism?
[01:47:03] Unknown:
Well, there is no such word Melanchthianism that I've never seen. I coined that. But Melanchthon Melanchthon was a real was a real man, and he Melanchthon was Martin Luther's right hand man. Luther affectionately called Melanchthon my skinny shrimp because he was a man slight of build and small and Luther was a great big boisterous Saxon. And Luther's father was a coal miner who saved his pennies and bought his own little mine, a hard man, a hard German man, a hard Saxon man, as was Martin Luther. I mean raw, raw beyond what is acceptable in in mixed company today. That's Martin Luther. Martin Luther is the one that said every time I pass wind, and he had a word for it that was down to earth. Every time I break wind in Wittenberg, they smell it in Rome. That's Luther. He was constantly saying that Melanchthon.
But Melanchthon wasn't that way. Melanchthon was a, he was a, he was a bookworm and he was scholarly and he was more refined and and more restrained in his approach. And he developed after Luther passed away, he developed his own points of view on fundamental points and they weren't Martin Luther's. And that's the point. Those are the points of view about the sovereignty of God that Lutheranism follows today in almost every country where it is and it's all over. Oh, they have a a bent. They'll say, well yes, we believe the Bible's above all things, but they practice idolatry. Across the board. I call them visual aids to worship using the phrase of that fellow that wrote the book,
[01:48:45] Unknown:
empires of evil, Roger. Roger, you know his name. Yeah. I can't remember either. Tupper. Oh, Tupper. Oh, oh, oh, rulers of evil. Rulers of evil. Yeah. Tepper saucy. He he he's right. He's over the guy. One of the patriarchs of this movement you may never heard of. You can go ahead, Brent. But we had one,
[01:49:03] Unknown:
I like to have one word for one word in the Greek text or the Hebrew text to use at the an Anglo Saxon word to translate into my translation. But sometimes you can't do that. You can't If you say idle, well that's a Greek word, idolon in the new testament. It doesn't translate anything. It just transliterates the sounds of the Greek word. If you translate idol of the old Testament of some of the words there, gale, for example, gale, gale, well that means around thing, a three-dimensional, representation, an idol.
But what does that mean? What does the old Testament word mean? And Tupper says, well, he uses the word, visual aids to worship, but that's not word for word. That's visual aids to, for words. But that is what those words mean. A created thing other than the creator. We worship the God. As Jesus Christ said to the Samaritan woman, we worship the God that, is spirit. We don't see him and the bible said that Jesus Christ is the only seeable manifestation of godhead that of the godhead that our Godhead authorizes. And he's not here right now. Not here. He's coming back. He is seeable if you could see him, but right now he says I'm not here. I was here. Yes. He came, showed himself. We have the record of it. We can read about it. The word of God is ultimate in that sense.
But now he's not here. We worship the God who we cannot see. And if you think you've seen him, you're either deceived or a liar, if you think you've seen him. And there are people that say they have. Oral Roberts said, oh, I saw Jesus Christ. He was nine hundred feet tall and he told me to build a hospital down here dedicated to the eradication of cancer among mankind. Either Oral Roberts is deceived by demons or he's a liar because the Bible says that's not true. Well, if the Bible says it's not true, then why do people listen to him? Because the Bible's not their focus of Christianity and reality. That's why. Yep. And if it isn't, you're living in la la land and you'll get taken in by that kind of foolishness.
[01:51:18] Unknown:
They don't know the fundamentals.
[01:51:19] Unknown:
Yeah. They you have a you said Jesus Christ. Right, Roger? You because you don't know the scriptures. Period. And that's the the source of all of fundamental reality among mankind. But And you won't be sucked in. Go ahead, Roger. You know what? The there's a huge surge evidently I'm hearing about of
[01:51:43] Unknown:
people going to the Russian Orthodox church. There is. Uh-huh.
[01:51:48] Unknown:
Yeah. There is. I discovered that when I was on the radio. There were a group of students that would get together at Indiana State there in Terry Hope, before you have coffee in the morning before class and listen to my morning show. And they started calling in and I discovered they were having this get together. And of course I liked that. But then they started talking to me about the Eastern Orthodox church. And that was my first, that was ten years ago. That was fifteen years ago. That was my first introduction into the advance. And we have it also, the advance of the Greek Orthodox church and the Roman church in America. Here's what's going on. Took me a long time, but I think I see the cultural shift.
And the of course, the this kickback against the state of Israel. That's a part of the same thing I'm gonna talk about now. Amen. Amen. What it what it is, there's a generation of young people that are disconnected from from popular Christian culture. Popular Christian culture in America until this generation, 30 and under, was all about dispensationalism in the Scofield Bible. And we we all experienced it, those of us that are the older generation. And so we had this cultural connection through Zionism. That's really what it was. But for the people that may not know what dispensationalism
[01:53:03] Unknown:
is, one of those $10 words, the rapture doctrine. Go ahead, Brent. And and Zionism is is part of it. That's foundational.
[01:53:11] Unknown:
That's foundational to it. Even more than the rapture doctrine. But, but coming back, rapture by the way, rapture is in the bible. It's not a matter is there a rapture. That's not the the air. It's clear. I mean, it's so abundantly clear the words that you know the way you can interpret them. But the question is, what does that mean? What is the rapture? And and I don't know why in all of this, that isn't talked about, but it isn't. It should be. I like to talk about the rapture as part of what the Bible says is true. But what does it mean? Well, coming back to, the Zionism thing, no. They're disconnected. So they're saying, well, why are we doing this? And now they're searching. And whose fault is that? The older generation.
We really didn't explain the Bible. The Bible wasn't stressed the way it was supposed to. So now when the Bible is not stressed, what do you fill it with? Visual aids to worship idols. The Bible says you will. If the Bible is not front and center dominated in your consciousness, you will resort to visual aids and worship. And people say, well, I don't worship the statue of Mary. It's just something I use as an aid. That's right. That's called worship. That's what that is. Worthy ship, the old Anglo Saxon word. Worship is a contraction of that word. Worthy ship. If you whatever you con is consider worthy, a created thing that you consider worthy of your time and attention, you worship.
I don't care whether it's a dumb statue, a pope, a Supreme court justice, a philosopher, a throne, a bird. Maybe you like to look at tea leaves. Those are created things. That's called worship. And you trust what they tell you about the future. Remember the trust of God is about one thing. Let's narrow it down here. All it is, that all it can be is trust in him for the future, the unknown future. That's what God wants. He wants you to trust him for the future. That's the trust he wants. Trust him entirely. He tells you in his law what the future is gonna be. He said, if you do this, you get this. If you do that, you get this. Curses and blessings. It's one or the other. The law of God. That's why Moses has rightfully held the foundation of all prophecy in the Bible. Moses, the one that God, Jesus Christ took from the God head to Jesus Christ, delivered to Moses, delivered to his people, and here we have it.
The nation of Israel was instrumental in preserving it and keeping it even though the Masoretes added the vowel points and their twist on some of the things in the Bible. God said he would preserve the consonants. That's all there is in the written Hebrew tongue. And that's what they preserved. And they did a bang up job too, by the way. No question of the reliability of the manuscripts of the Old Testament. You know those fellas, those massaureths were so persnickety. Every if they did, for example, a a new copy of the book of Isaiah or Habakkuk or Nahum, whatever, or or Deuteronomy, they would have 22 of them of them be commissioned, each man commissioned for one letter of the Hebrew of the Hebrew alphabet. And those 22 men would each count how many times that letter occurred in that book.
And then another 22 men were chosen to do it again. Each man was assigned a letter. And then they recorded their count. And then another 22 men were reco were were assigned to do it again three times. And not until all three times the same number of consonant letters came up Was that manuscript of that Bible book commissioned as official? Well, if you get a different count by the time you get to the second group of 22 men, or you just throw it away and start over, you gotta get the same number of letters 22 times, 22 letters, three times. By 22 men, that's a total of 66 men.
By the way, there are 66 writings in the Old Testaments. I think that's, apparently consistent. That anyway, that's the number they chose, and they said and that's the policy of the master eats. By the way, Jesus Christ endorsed that policy of the masoretes when he said, every job, that's the smallest letter of the Hebrew alphabet. By hyperbole hyperbole, he said every job and every tittle, that's a serif, especially on the end of the letter daleth that distinguishes it from a kith. That's just one example. He's affirming the methods of the Masoretes, and they did preserve the old testament. New testament, we could talk about that same thing as much so or more. Much so or more. The reliability of the Bible is a veritable embarrassment, unfathomable embarrassment of riches, How strong the evidence is. Brent, we're right at the end here. I think we'll just, give your website and get out as much information. For those of you who are not familiar with this gentleman,
[01:58:22] Unknown:
I wish you'd do that, Brent. Good show today. Thank you.
[01:58:25] Unknown:
This is Brent, Brent Allen Winters, commonlawyer.com. Roger helped me remember. Next time, then I'll pick up on what else APAC did and my experiences.
[01:58:35] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. I wanna hear that. Brent Allen Winters, commonlawyer.com.
[01:58:39] Unknown:
Www.commonlawyer.com. Go to the website commonlawyer.com. Take advantage of what's there, the law school, Winters Inn. We've got about a dozen courses, common law courses. It's all about the laws of nature and the laws of nature's God. The laws of nature written, our common law. The laws of nature's God written, the Bible. Those two phrases taken from our declaration of '76 repeated. They were quoting, Tom Jefferson was quoting the Scottish enlightenment that recognized those two volumes of our common law, written and unwritten. And so our classes are all about our common law, common law courses. Right now we're teaching a course clause by clause and blow by blow. That's my favorite method. Whether I'm going through a book of the Bible to teach it clause by clause and blow by blow or declaration of 76, so we're going clause by clause and blow by blow. Join that course in appreciation of a donation. We want you to be there. We're teaching it now. We just started. Did the introduction to the declaration yesterday.
Why it's there, what it's for, and then we're gonna get into it clause by clause, blow by blow. There are other courses there. We have a course over 50 presentations of an hour and a half a piece, clause by clause and blow by blow, all over on Magna Carta, a solid stepping stone, the history of our common law tradition. We're gonna continue to do that. There are other documents we can teach clause by clause and blow by blow. Not to mention, we've been through several books of the Bible. You can join us on Sunday for that. On Saturday and Sunday, you can go to the website commonlawyer.com and see how we do that. We're also on a radio station in FM, I think it's FM, in Missouri where I'm going through the constitution of The United States, clause by clause and blow by blow and doctrine by doctrine and showing how it's biblical.
We're doing that. Other other, resources there, the winterized translation of the bible from the original tongue, the Koine Greek of the New Testament and the Aramaic and Hebrew of the older testament. Most of the older testament is in Hebrew with pericopes of it in the book of Daniel and a couple of and a few words scattered here and there, Aramaic. But Aramaic and Hebrew are the same tongue, just two different dialects. So that's not unusual. Usually, what's in the Old Testament as Aramaic are the official decrees of the Babylonian emperors. And the reason they put them in Aramaic, not much of the Old Testament, but the reason they're in Aramaic is to to be absolutely accurate as to what those emperors said.
Fascinating, isn't it? Again, accuracy is what it's all about. Well, you can get the winterized translation of the Bible in digital form and in hard copy. I call it a common layer comments. Some people or common layer translates and annotates. Somebody in Australia said this is the winterized version, so we call it that. I call it toward a raw translation of the Bible because I don't wanna cook the book, but deliver it up the way it delivered me in the original tongues. And then the the, comparative law text comparing and comparing and contrasting the only two traditions of religion, law, and government available to mankind, the law of the land, our common law tradition, Christian tradition, and the law of the city.
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[02:02:34] Unknown:
Thank you, Roger. Well, it's at this point, I'm thinking we'll see you next week. Next week's Thanksgiving. Hello. Brent and I always do a show on Friday of Thanksgiving. I can't remember what any year we haven't. So I guess we'll continue that tradition around here. So, if you're, able to during your Thanksgiving activities, wherever you may be, you can always dial in with us. We could start it out with you being in the APAC office and reading Hebrew off of a, off of a little thing on medallion on the wall or something. That's an interesting start. We probably remember that. So we've been off the air for a couple of minutes, and, we didn't have the outro today, which is okay.
Brent, does anybody have any quest Brent, you gotta go right now, or where are y'all? Hold on, boss. Hold on. Where where are you, Roger. I'm gonna sit here and eat. If you can listen to me munch, and I'll try to shut off the mic when I'm doing it. But I'm That's okay. I gotta get some sugar in my system. Well, I understand. I'm not too far behind you. I don't have missus Brent bringing me stuff, though. Well, which what do these gals have? What do these gals have to offer? Yes, ma'am.
[02:03:46] Unknown:
Yeah. I had a question for Brent. Sorry if you've, answered this before. I I have a great memory. It's just short. Now which which version, which text do you feel is more most reliable, Masoretic, or Septuagint, please? Hopefully Masoretic. Too long an answer.
[02:04:08] Unknown:
Masoretic. And all the Bible translations that are popular in America are from the Masoretic text. The Septuagint text is not only purely Babylonian Judaism, they're the ones that translated it, But also it's from Alexandria to make that sect of Judaism down there at that time was even further off than a lot of Judaism. So, you know, you can look at it. I have looked at it sometimes, but I I make a point of trying to stay away from it. Although I, I But just remember, and the important thing is the flow of the text more than some of us that are It's our job to take deep dives on parts of words and try to ferret out. And I've spent my life doing it. That's not everybody's job. And you If if you aren't trained to do it and haven't spent your life doing it, I'd say don't do it because you're wasting your energy. What you need to do is get the sweep and the flow of the Bible.
And that's what I said while ago, Luther said that a good translation will give you, and I can tell you translations that'll give that to you. The King James will give that to you. The New American Standard will give that to you. The Geneva Bible will give that to you.
[02:05:19] Unknown:
Now read them. The reason And I The reason Go ahead. Sorry. Go ahead. The reason I ask is because it's so the reason I ask is because it's so hello?
[02:05:32] Unknown:
Yeah. Go ahead with your statement. Oh,
[02:05:35] Unknown:
Yeah. The reason I ask is because it's so controversial, Brent.
[02:05:41] Unknown:
What is?
[02:05:43] Unknown:
The controversy between the Masoretic and the Septuagint.
[02:05:47] Unknown:
Yeah. It's a controversy that arises out of ignorance. People who want people to think they know something about it, talk about it, and make their choices. And, I I have no illusions I'm gonna change the stupidity of the conversation. But I do have I do have confidence to say and if I think I know, I'll tell you I know. I know. That's just foolishness, all of it. The Masoretic text is in the original tongue. The preservation Jesus Christ affirmed the preservation methods and from my perspective. And of course, I say that because that's my responsibility. It's my duty and I say it. If it's not in the original tongues, life's too short for me to even pay attention to it. There's some rare occasion I might know. I'm gonna focus on what God said.
And, that's a King James version, King James only controversy. It is silliness to put it into the English. In a Latin, it'd be absurd. Stay away from it. Well Just say, okay. You guys fight over chicken manure, fight over chicken manure, but there's no conflict here. There is no controversy. You've made it because of your ignorance. I appreciate
[02:06:54] Unknown:
I appreciate your opinion very much. Now one of the things they say about the Masoretic text is that it was written so much later than the other.
[02:07:05] Unknown:
That's not true either. That's not true either. The Masoretic started back smack back. They think, as many people do, that the Masoretes worked primarily in the Middle Ages starting in about the year June. Well, they did. They were very powerful at that time. That's true. They reached the zenith of their influence. But they started way back when the, when the, the septuangent was being translated in this second and third century BC before Christ came the first time. And that, of course, we can see that too in the Dead Sea scrolls. Those kind of groups were out there. You go to the Dead Sea scrolls discovered back in the late forties.
The scroll of Isaiah for instance, which is now enshrined entire thing. The entire thing is there. It tracks it tracks with the Masoretic text. See then you start putting these together and you begin to see, okay, there are families of manuscripts that have little little misspellings of words that are perpetuated for example. And that's the kind of things you can say, okay, it's in the same family of the Masoretes and the scroll of Isaiah is. That's one of the, you can see that one. You can go to the internet and read it. You don't have to go to, don't go to don't go over there. No sense to go over there. Going over there, you might get killed. Just stupid. They keep it stirred up and murdering people. Don't don't support them with your terrorism.
Amen. Well, any rate, that's my for what it's worth, my studied conclusion and conviction on the matter of the Masoretic versus the Septuagint. I have a question. And one more thing, Roger, then I want you to ask. The Septuagint gets increasingly sloppy, increasingly sloppy as you move from the first five books of the Bible. By the time you get into the Psalms, I say this from personal as a personal testimony. I've read through it. You get to the Psalms and it's just worthless. It's worse than new than the new American standard. It's looser than the living Bible, the paraphrases.
They just said anything they wanted. That's what people end up doing. They get cynical. Go ahead, Roger. What did missus Brent serve you for lunch today? Well, to start, I have a sliced up apple, celery, raspberries, cheese. She doesn't wanna give me something heavy while I'm talking because that can make me lethargic. Yes. And so
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I'm munching. You're okay. You're overbearing.
[02:09:29] Unknown:
My yeah. Because when your sugar's up, your brain works better. Yeah.
[02:09:33] Unknown:
Okay. Well, I'm just curious. Yeah. I know. Your brain has to have sugar. Does, anyone else have a question for rent real quick? If there's something I think that may be, Costa Rica calling. Hey, Joan.
[02:09:44] Unknown:
Yes. Hey. Brent, hey. You know, a lot of people call Christianity Judeo Christianity. Oh. And I want I wanted to ask you, Brent, what would you for a person who describes Christianity as Judeo Christianity, and they say they are a they're a Christian and and they preach Christianity, but they say they're a Judeo Christian. What would you say to them to help them be right minded about Christianity, about describing the word Christianity or yeah. That's good enough. Thank you.
[02:10:41] Unknown:
Are you there, Brent?
[02:10:44] Unknown:
Yeah. I was I was waxy and eloquent. You didn't hear it. The battle among God's people and the battle of Christian in Christianity is for the dictionary. Fundamentally, that's why Roger and I, we all the years ago, we all this is the Tasmanian word association hour. So it comes down to words. We're both word men. Yeah. So Judeo Christian was unheard of until after World War two. Is at is to give us the feeling that there's a connection between, Judaism and Christianity. Is there? Oh, did what did Jesus Christ say? He said, well the bible says that, this is old testament. He quotes the old testament a lot, especially the book of Deuteronomy.
He says that there's, light and darkness have nothing in common. There's no commonness. The old English word is fellowship. That means they share nothing together, light and darkness. And how can two walk together if they're not agreed? If one man says Jesus Christ is up to his chin, his his jawbone and boiling human sewage, and that's Judaism, that's the Talmud. And the other man says Jesus Christ is despot Lord of the world we're supposed to worship. How can, how can two men walk together if they're not agreed? I don't agree with what they say. They don't agree with what I say. I've heard Ben Shapiro in an interview with John MacArthur say per near that. I mean, he didn't say it that way. He said he was a misguided revolutionary who got him, got his dumb butt killed.
That's blasphemy. I'm a word man too. How many word men in the class? I'm not done yet. I'm not done yet. I'm not done yet. I'm not done yet. I'm not done yet. That's blasphemous. And so what Ben Shapiro said is blasphemous. And anybody who would even entertain that idea approved their apostasy. Let him be blessed forever. Amen. Let Jesus Christ be blessed forever. God forbid, Meganeta, all the apostle says in Romans. That's the strongest negative there is. Anybody that would challenge the absolute sovereignty of Jesus Christ, Meganeta. That's almost like cuss words, but not quite. That's a strong negative. The strongest available in the Greek tongue.
Well, Judeo Christian was a concentrated attempt that was akin to the attempt to make us say gay. That took millions and millions of dollars to get us to say that. People wrote books about it. To buy a gold fine word. Yeah. To change it to get us to say gay instead of saying sodomite. Well, now everybody's saying it. By the way, there are firms out there that can control that narrative and make that happen. I found that out when I was in the tax movement. A long story. Well, we had a meeting with a Jewish fella by the name of, Aaron Russo.
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Oh, yeah. Freedom to fascism.
[02:13:49] Unknown:
Aaron. Yeah. Aaron is the man that made Eddie Murphy famous. He's the man that made Bette Midler famous. He he was in show business. He used to own a big nightclub up in Chicago. He's passed away now. And then he did freedom to fascism. And when he did that movie, I I was, an alternative. The other fellow couldn't come, so they called me and asked me, you wanna come and review this movie? Aaron Aaron is putting this movie. And we met in Dallas, not at a fancy old hotel not far from the plaza, I remember. And I met Aaron, talked to him, and and, stories I could tell there about the clash of his Judaism with the people that were there at that meeting. There were only about all 15 of us there, but some of them were hardcore Christian men. I didn't say much. I wasn't just an alternate. I didn't feel like I put the thing on, but I learned a lot.
And Aaron was right headed about a lot of things, but he couldn't understand and he had a hard time understanding why it was important not to offend Christian people. And there were some things in that movie that offended some of the men there that were hardcore Christian men in the tax freedom movement. And they were lawyers. Most of them were lawyers. And they said, I don't think you should put that in. Well, Aaron met me in the back when we I get in a cup of coffee and he said, what is it with this guy that says that can put I I shouldn't put that in there. I don't remember what it was. It wouldn't amount to a lot, but I understood the fellow. I'm a Christian man, so I understood his sensibilities about what was said. Aaron did not understand. Could not understand.
As the bible says, he couldn't. It wasn't his culture. Well, again, I'm trying to make this point. Aaron Russo, like everybody else is entitled to know the truth of the bible and the gospel according to God. And, we've some of us tried to mention some of these things to him. I don't know that any of it took but this the object isn't that people listen to me. My object from my my orders from my God are that I say it. That's my object. Yeah, baby. Yeah. I'm I'm Whether or not people listen, the board of God goes out and it does not return void. It'll either send the man, it'll hurry him on to heaven or send him to hell, But it will not return void. That's what that means, by the way. God is the God of all providence and judgment.
Jesus Christ has been the the Godhead has delegated all that to him in heaven and on earth. Judeo Christian is invented. It would we say, let me just ask you. Would you say, would you be, willing to use the word Islamic Christian? Is there some, are there some things in common between Islam and Christianity? Well, they claim that Jesus Christ is a prophet. Oh, yeah. Be that's from their connection in back in the second century with, a monk, a misguided monk named Notorious who befriended Muhammad. Not the second century. No. No. Notorious was in the second century. The monks that arose out of his followers, some of them contact came into contact with Muhammad in the sixth century, in the seven hundreds. Isn't that when he lived, I think? Yeah. I think it is. But they came in contact with him. And so he he was willing to say through their influence that Jesus Christ is also a prophet on the same level, but not quite as high as Muhammad.
That's blasphemous. But are we willing to say through that blasphemy that, there's such thing as Islamic Christianity? Because he connected himself to that sect of Christianity, which was they were they were not Christian although they thought they were. Long story about what we call Nestorianism. But getting back to the point here friends, are we willing to say Islamic Christianity? Well, if we're willing to say Islamic Christianity, are we willing to say Jude Judaism Christianity?
[02:17:57] Unknown:
How about Buddha? How about Buddha? Buddha, Christianity?
[02:18:00] Unknown:
No. There is no fellowship between light and darkness. Now that's on the testimony. Not of me, but of Jesus Christ. Go written friends. I'd said this one time. I wanna say it again. Maybe put a different twist on it. Not a different twist, a different assignment. Same thing only different. I had said a long time ago and some of you did it. I said take the book of first John and read it in one setting every morning for thirty days. First John, one setting five short chapters for thirty days. And some people came back and said, I did it. Now what do I do? I said okay, take the gospel of John. It's 21 chapters divided into three sections of seven chapters each and read the first seven chapters every morning for thirty days. And when you get done with that, read the second seven chapters and so on.
And if you do that with chunks about that big, you will have read the whole new testament in thirty days. I say that, having read I used to hand this book out, Roger, by a fellow named James m Gray who was from our neck of the woods down here. He was a a song a song leader and a Presbyterian church South Of Terre Haute. He ended up being a professor at Moody Bible Institute and he wrote a book called How to Master the English Bible. How to master the English Bible. How do you do it? I'll tell you how to do it. Most of you speak English. Master it in English first.
Get a translation of the Bible that give you the sweep and flow of the Bible that you think is reliable. Now I've given you three here today. And don't use any other translation. Because if you use any other translation, make your choice and stick to it. If you use any other translation, it will hinder your ability to remember and know the Bible. You've gotta stick to one translation. We have a language barrier here and I'm talking about how to overcome that barrier and learn the language. I had a professor when I was in school. I sat in front of this guy for hundreds and hundreds of hours.
He was a Scotsman. His name was Donald McDougall. Donald McDougall. I can't say it like him. Being American, he used to say to me, McDougall. He used to say to me, you know, Brent, I have one thing about I don't understand about you Americans. I said, what is it? He said, when I got here, I didn't know what a a pothole was. A pothole. I said, a pothole? He said, yeah, you guys got potholes in your roads. Oh, I said, you mean a pothole? Yeah. Yeah. A pothole. Well, in, in, in English and his English, he'd never heard the word pothole. He married a girl from Oklahoma and she got to talking about how bad the potholes were in the road. And he said, what?
See, they would say when they heard it, they would say pot hole. They separate the two words. Uh-huh. But in English, we we slur them together. We say pothole pothole. Oh, he was a linguist, by the way, that was getting a PhD at, UCLA. So all of these things fascinated him in the extreme and the Bible translator, Donald McDougall. And he would, say to me, he would say to me and he'd been studying, Greek etymology for years. He'd say Brent, every morning I read the bible in English every morning. I said, why? A guy that knows it as well as you because, you know, once you know the Greek tongue and once you know the Hebrew tongue, and he was more focused more on Greek, once you know it, you can't help but stop and analyze it.
When it's like I I was a geologist before I did these other things, all this lawyering and all that. And I worked out in the gold fields out West and being a geologist ruins the beauty of rocks. Cause I used to look at rocks, say, man, that's a pretty rock. Now I picked her after that, I started pay after I went out there and worked, I'll pick a rock up and all I could do is analyze it. That became a very cold hard fact to me. Didn't have the beauty in it. I've watched men. I've I've been in the oil field where they've had Gushers. And their driller, who is as much a money promoter as he was a driller, when that oil started coming down, he just took a bath in it. Yeah. And he wanted somebody to grab their Instamatic, start taking pictures of him soaked with oil.
And that was fun, of course. But the geologists never could get into that and I knew something that they'd stand back and analyze the oil and look at it. And, well, that's the way it is with If you learn the Greek tongue and the Hebrew, you Soon, you've got your face shoved. Your face and your eyes are shoved right into a leaf. And all you can see is the veins of a leaf. And when you do that, you're not looking, as they say, you missed the trees for the forest. Yeah. Missed the forest rather. Missed the forest for the trees. And that's what happens. And he said, I have that problem. And he'd been at it for years and I can testify now after all these decades, I have the same problem. And so I tried to try to try to take time to read the Bible in my own translation. I stick to my own translation and I recommend that translation to anybody that's serious serious about the Bible.
So people say, what translation should I focus on? And get the sweep and the flow. And McDougall used to say to us, he say, men, you got to get the sweep and the flow. If you don't have the sweep and the flow, you've missed the whole point. So don't neglect to read the bible in your native tongue. And our native tongue is English. What was the what was it? F. Lee Bailey said he went to school. He was that trial lawyer during Oh, yeah. Yeah. And he used to say he used to say he had a professor in school from England. And the first day he went to class, the fellow said, now if we can manage to get over the barrier between us of our common tongue, maybe I can communicate to you. Right. Well, that's the way McDougall was. He he spoke what's called Braid Scots.
Braid Scots is a dialect of English. It's not a Celtic tongue. You know, we Robbie Burns did not write his poetry in a Celtic tongue, he wrote it in Braeds Scots which is the English dialect of the Scottish people. A fascinating tongue in its own way, a lot more earthy, a lot rougher, it's kinda it's like English. Matter of fact, the dialect we speak in America of English has more of Scots pronunciation in it than any other dialect of English. And the reason for that fascinatingly is country music. And it came from Northern Ireland because the Scotch Irish, they're Scotsmen that migrated to Ireland. And those are the ones that filled up the Eastern mountains and seaboards, and then poured into Ohio Valley and coming across and all that stuff. Yep. Mountaineers without mountains, they call them, and that's the world I grew up in. But the dialect is, I listen to preachers from, I'm talking Presbyterian preachers from Northern Ireland.
I can really understand them easily. Now that's a little different than the raw braided Scots of Scotland. But our dialect has morphed more into the Scottish tongue of the people from Northern Ireland more than any other dialect and this after world war II, it spread. It was in the Ohio Valley. I like to listen to Jonathan Winters and far, I don't know that I'm related to the guy, but I don't think I am probably who knows, but I listened to him. He has more of that than about anybody I've ever heard. Jonathan Winters, he's gone now. He was my dad's favorite favorite. Well, wait. Jonathan Winters.
What he did was he would and he's I've heard him say this. All of the characters he did were people he grew up around. And so when he talks about Elwood Suggins, Elwood Suggins, well, that was somebody that he knew when he was growing up. And, when he talks about Elwood and he goes into that dialect and I know where he was from, he was from North Of Louisville and there on the Ohio side, he would fall into all that. It was natural for him, But that's the dialect that has now after World War two, country music, it's it's spread like gang not everywhere. Not everywhere, but it spread a lot, a lot. Yeah. Around the world for sure in many instances.
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Can I address Jones, no question? Fair, I know you're out there, Fair, so I'm gonna address you in a minute. Joan, you've heard us talk on here about, oh, the the the who's the guy? The guy you debated against the constitution now. Ted Wyland. Pastor Ted Wyland, the guy Brent debated on the constitution a few years back. He's got a a website called missiontoisrael.org. And the the the he's got a book on there called God's Covenant People, Yesterday, Today, and Forever. And what that book does in the the majority of the book is taking things like your question of Judeo Christianity, and he devotes a whole chapter of quotations to it.
And half of the quotations are from Jews, and half of the quotations are from Gentiles. And then you can read all those observations from all those people. It's got a index in the back where you could put in and look at, say, Judeo Christianity. And it'll show you every page of the whole book where it's mentioned in some quote. And the whole book is these really, after the first five pages, are these Christian versus Jew comparisons with quotes. K. It's a excellent book. It's only about $10. For the, paperback, I'd highly advise you look into that if this issue interests you. Not this, but the other Jew Jew Jewish issues. And his, let me give his website again here, missiontoisrael.org.
Very prolific writer. And and in that one, on that section of Judeo Christianity, there's a quote on there, Joan, from I don't remember who the quote's from, but I can just about paraphrase it for you. He said, Judeo Christianity is the greatest public relations coup of the twentieth century. Yeah. The Greatest Public Relations Coup of the twentieth Century. So if you want more, any of you in the audience, that's a very impactful book. Boy, it's it's real easy to use because it's got that index in the back. Anytime anything comes up, you go back there, find the word, boom. Here's where it says something about it. Bam, bam, bam. It just takes you right there. K? So, highly recommended. But that's the one answer I remember, the greatest public relations coup of the twentieth century.
K? Now, Ferris, you're a word man. You were gonna come up. You've got a guest on here on the show today. Obviously, you you brought we now I'm gonna give you your reign a little bit, but be nice be nice.
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Go ahead, Farris. You can talk now. Unmute yourself and
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talk. Don't worry, Ferris. Say we don't say we didn't give you an option. K? The opportunity. Well, I'm trying can you hear me now? I'm hearing you now.
[02:29:59] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, yes, sir. We hear you. With all the obstacles that your staff excuse me. May I speak? No. With all the obstacles that your staff froze in my way,
[02:30:09] Unknown:
I I you're calling on me, and I can't get to you. Do you understand what it what it I had your I had your line open, Ferris. Ferris. I had your line open, Ferris. Ferris, you're starting You wanted to make a comment. You're starting off on a real bad foot. Here's my comment. You wanted to make a comment. I opened your line so you can speak, and all you do is come in here and bitch. Knock it off. I'll be say something constructive
[02:30:34] Unknown:
or go away. I'll be nice. You gotta guess. Be nice. I'll be nice if you shut up. I'll be nice if you shut up. I'll be nice if you shut up. I'll be nice if you shut up. Okay? Well, I'm talking about word men. You know? You're a man of
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I didn't touch it.
[02:30:49] Unknown:
Somebody else kicked him out. It wasn't me. It wasn't me. Someone else kicked him out. But that's okay. He's got he's got two connections to the room. He can unmute the other one, and he can still talk.
[02:31:03] Unknown:
The obstacles that you go through here are self made. Can can you hear me now?
[02:31:09] Unknown:
May I say the following? Let me say the following. Word men are few and far between because it takes the kind of education that Bren Allen Winters has, that, that Roger Sales has, that Ferris Freud has, to be interested in words. And we're it's so difficult to get through to the to the sheeple with regard to the importance of every letter of every word and every dot and every tittle. Brent Allen Winters talks about dot dots and tittles. We're we're down to the the preciseness of language, which is important, but I would like to welcome the new, member to the classroom today, Patty from Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. She's arrived in Paradise after brief stays on the coast of California, at times living on a in the, on a boat in California, then to Las Vegas, and now she has finally arrived in paradise, which is Myrtle Beach, which is the most moved to place in the world.
Repeat. The most moved to place in the world
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is Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. The most moved to state excuse me. May I ask What does no. No. What does that have to do with what we talk about? And if she wants to come in here, she can press 6
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and Hey, Patty. Welcome. Fridays are unusual because Brent's here. Normally, I'm the solo guy here, and it's on research that I've done for the majority of my adult life on getting you free from the system. If that interests you, come back. And and I hope you got something Patty's a bible
[02:32:49] Unknown:
enthusiast. Patty's a bible enthusiast. Lovely lady. And, also, we're starting a new, what is it? It's a Rogers sales listening room in the city of South Carolina because so many people are moving in here. And it's not funny. You question the merit of what I say, Paul. Paul, I question your qualifications to question what I say. Let me give you a reason why I say what I say.
[02:33:22] Unknown:
What is your name? I don't wanna I don't wanna hear what you said. Because I don't want you to talk, Ferris, because you you said shut up. That's not allowed. I don't want you to talk anymore. I'm Ferris. You gotta have some decorum here. You're not following us, so you get out. We got a two hour tell us to shut up. And when we stop, start talking, you stop. That's the only way to make this work. Alright. Sorry. There's a lag. Follow that. So that's the end of it. And there's a lag.
[02:33:49] Unknown:
Alright. We've been on two hours. We're in about halfway through the third hour. Brent's already lunch. I haven't. There's Larry. Yes, sir.
[02:34:01] Unknown:
Yeah. I wanna go back about an hour ago. Brent was talking about the word love in the Bible, and, I believe the King James translators translated that the word charity correctly, especially in the great love chapter, first Corinthians 13. It's my understanding that there's three different words in the Greek language for love, and they chose to use the word charity because the love that they're trying to describe, especially when it comes to Christian love, is when we when it's when the Bible says we should have love for the brethren and, you know, love one another, I think charity is the appropriate word because charity describes love in action, kinda like our modern day idea of what, you know, you're involved in a charity. You're you're actually doing something for someone else.
You're trying to meet their needs. And so, I think they again, I think they translated that word correctly. In, you know, in modern times, we just throw that word love around like it's like it's just it has, like, a general meaning. Like, we could say, I love my wife. I love my children. And then at you know, in the next sentence, we'll say, I love to eat ice cream. And so, you know, there's no there's nothing to distinguish the the word love in our in our modern language, in the English language, whereas in Greek, you know, they had different words for different kinds of, you know, for different forms of love.
So I was wondering, Brent, in your translation, the Winter's edition, did you, kinda retain that? I've never looked at what you what you wrote in the, the Winter's version of the Bible, but did you kinda retain that same meaning for love
[02:36:11] Unknown:
in in different places like I just described? Do you have a copy of the Bible? Do you have a copy of the winterized version?
[02:36:20] Unknown:
No. No. I'm probably like to get one.
[02:36:24] Unknown:
Oh, you need to get one then. Now I would wanna give it away, but let me say this about it. I appreciate your willingness to try to be accurate about words, of course, but are you a King James only guy?
[02:36:41] Unknown:
And then, you know, I realized that see, the I used to be years ago involved with with churches that were to the to the belief that, you know, the King James Bible is the word of God. It is, you know, every word is exactly what God says
[02:37:04] Unknown:
to be But can you answer my question? Or if you can I I wanna hear your your story, but I wanna know first with what you tell about your experience? Are you King James only?
[02:37:16] Unknown:
No. No. I'm not that, but let me just let me preface that. So I used to be King James only, and I was taught in churches that, you know, even even the, the insertion of the the paragraph numbers, you know, the verse numbers was inspired of god. I was taught that. I was kinda in the middle as far as whether I wanted to believe that or not. But, anyway, you know, I've been in Rutman churches and I'm not anymore. I mean, that guy was an extremist. He believed in double inspiration, you know, that the King James translators that's something something, you know, that was of God came came upon them and and, that's how they were able to come up with the King James version and he he taught that, that the, the English King James version Bible actually corrects the Greek. I don't know if you've ever heard that before,
[02:38:16] Unknown:
but that's what he used to teach. I've listened to I've listened to Peter Ruckman for hours. So when you start talking about not because I agreed with him, because he fascinated me. He's he's fascinatingly Oh, yeah. Dead dead wrong at the fundamental level. But and he's offensive beyond anything I ever saw. But I'll tell you something else about Ruckman that I noticed and maybe you have too. Ruckman is a master communicator. And when he does his chalk talks and just tells his story and draws beautiful pictures with chalk, he's very good at it. He's developed community Oh, I know. Communicative skills. Yeah. You know him. You know, but let me say one more thing. I'll tell you, I saw him do a a debate with a Roman Catholic fellow that said he was a scholar. He wasn't. On the authority of the bible, it was monitored by a fellow who was who still pastor. I've met his wife, but I didn't meet him. I did a funeral where he pastored a church out in Colorado.
He's kinda well, he's not retired. I wish I could I thought if I talked long enough, I could remember his name. He's King James only. He moderated the thing. This had been back in the eighties and never have I heard a man speak more clearly about the authority of the bible and with more knowledge of church history and translation. He's educated to the task. As as Dan Wallace said, he's the only man in the King James only movement who is qualified to understand the difference, but he makes the wrong choice oddly.
Maybe he Who knows why? But it seems odd to me, I say this to you then you can go ahead and explain your experience. Why would a whole group of men who claim to be men follow a woman? A woman who wrote a book about the King James Bible and I I didn't, I, I'm not I am saying this about Ruckman too, about the kid called I think it's called New Age Bible Versions or something. And she's not she doesn't know, beans from sour apple butter about it, but she makes herself out to be the expert. Kent Hovind follows this woman. Why? What's going on with these guys?
It's not sensible. But now that I've said my piece and you know that I understand what you're saying, you don't have to explain everything about Ruckman when you talk to him. Hey, I might know more about him than you. I don't know, but I know quite a bit and I have a lot of friends like you who follow him and have over the years. He's deceased now as you know, but go ahead with your comments.
[02:40:48] Unknown:
I've actually sat in front of him, like, no more than 10 feet away, you know, several times in the past and, watched him do his, his drawings. And he's he's a phenomenal artist and, very good communicator like you said. But, yeah, he's he's got a lot of things that that he, promotes that just, you know, I never I never agreed with them, you know, even when I was kind of partially involved in some of those churches. And, but anyway, what what changed my mind is I started to realize that the King James version was like anything else. It's a translation And, you know, the men are men are gonna create and make errors, you know, and just like we talked about and I I don't know if you ever got a chance to look up that that verse that we talked about last week, but it goes on to say that the steps of a good man are ordered of the Lord and that word good is not in there. And so it's it's little things like that that I start to realize that, you know, it is a translation like any other translation.
I think it's one of the better translations, but, you know, these guys that go around, like, you know, preachers like Ruckman and say, you know, this is the most accurate translation or this is the word of God. There's no mistakes in it, and they and it corrects the Greek and even even the the like I said, the the, the verse numbers are inspired of God, you know, and the way the the lettering is, it's, you know, the the words and the word order. I think, I remember him saying one time, for example, there's a verse, in Genesis, the fur it's the it's the verse where it shows the first time that sin shows up and there's 13 words in that verse.
And, of course, 13 has a taboo connected to it. And, so, anyway, things like that, you know, and, as far as the, verse numbering, you know, he he he has, like, several books out that show that, you know, even he believes that's even inspired by the Lord because he'll take verse numbers and and show how they connect to different Bible, you know, Bible principles and things that represent bad things. You know? It's just it's pretty interesting, but, you know, I think maybe it could be coincidental too. So, anyway, that's that's all I had to say.
[02:43:38] Unknown:
Alright. Well, Brent's already eaten. I have not. I'm starving. Is anybody else got any questions? If not, I will see you hopefully tomorrow. Brent's got his own show tomorrow. Hey. Dilly barking for you. Brent. Brent. That's for Brent. That's, Doug in Arkansas.
[02:43:59] Unknown:
You are so good, Roger. Roger. Roger.
[02:44:03] Unknown:
Hey, Brent. Hey, Brent.
[02:44:07] Unknown:
Thank you again for a for an excellent expose of life and scripture and relationship to your father. You know, the scripture in second Timothy two fifteen tells tells everyone who reads it reads it to study study. And that word study is, as you know, is. It's it's not it doesn't mean reading a book. It doesn't it doesn't it's it's not anything like like watching a movie movie. It's actually like digging a hole. It's hard work. And, and it says it says Reading, second Timothy two fifteen. Study study budazo budazo to show thyself approved unto God the father. In other words, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed.
Now what I learned studying this decades ago was disappointed in your expectations by so you won't be if you do this, you won't be disappointed if you rightly divide the word. So it's the the the the the great father creator is personal, individually personal to every living man and woman. And so we're responsible to know it. You you can't just listen to somebody else To y'all. Somebody else's opinion. And and then in, chapter three, verse 16, it says, all scripture is given by the breath of the creator and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness that the man of God may be perfect, truly, not thoroughly, but inside out, furnished unto all good work.
What do you think, Brent?
[02:47:03] Unknown:
Well, number one, the target audience there is Timothy. Timothy was, to take over a congregation there. And the admonition there about studying is to those that are tasked with, the slavery kind of job. The under rowers, as Paul says, of presenting the Bible to people. There's no small task and it's hard to find, a preacher, a man of the cloth that takes it serious, but there are some. And they need to be listened to. And the Bible says God has given teachers to the church. And that's why I say to people, it's more important to you if that's not your office in life, if that's not your calling, that those that have that calling, they're here for your benefit. You're the one in the trenches. You're the one fighting the fight. You're the one that has to do it. And those that are called to teach the Bible do not face exactly what you face.
You're the hero here, not the Bible teachers. And I I do see it's backwards that the Bible teachers get a lot of attention. Oh, they're entitled to your support but we're not to make celebrities out of them and that's what happens. Even good bible teachers such as John McArthur, he was made into a celebrity. That's not what god wants and it doesn't help and it makes people depend more on him than than it was on their own reading of the Bible. He is a supplement John MacArthur or any other Bible teacher, even myself, we're supplements to you. You have the sweep in the flow of what the English text says. The English text will give you the black and white picture clear and crisp, But Bible teacher comes along and he has a little, he adds a little color here and there that might help you along. That's what we're to do and that's why we do what we do.
But it is important both of those verses, you know, and thank you for good to hear from you. I didn't know if you were still out there. You're the only New York hillbilly I know, you know, so I remember people like you.
[02:49:02] Unknown:
Well, Massachusetts, Massachusetts.
[02:49:05] Unknown:
Oh, oh, was it? I all you guys in New England, I get you all mixed up. But, yeah, your accent still come through clear. Right. Probably won't probably be that way the rest of your life. That's not so bad. That's not so bad. We're identified by the way we talk, but getting back to the point. Yeah, those are good. I'm glad you brought them up, but it is not for everybody. And I tell people this, listen to people, the final arbiters of right and wrong in our common law tradition here in our country on matters of greatest weight are the least esteemed among us that are to be impaneled on the jury.
You're the ones that got to know. And the, the Jewish, the, no, the Israelite nation was here, is here and did what they did for the benefit of Adam's race. That's us. And we're thankful that God used them in the way he did, but we Bible teachers are here for your benefit. Not the other way around. Oh yes. Again, you are to support us, but we're here for your benefit. Take advantage of it.
[02:50:05] Unknown:
Well, our messiah was the greatest servant of all. And Good point. All the others, Moses and Moses and all the other prophets and etcetera, they followed in his his, what he was about. And so I wanted to just mention one more thing to you because having listened to you, I've I've heard you comment on the CI doctrine a little bit here and there, and I've been following that for at least a couple of decades. And I always had a problem with this, and here's my explanation. The okay. Excuse me. So the covenant with Abraham was one-sided. Correct?
[02:51:02] Unknown:
It wasn't That's correct.
[02:51:05] Unknown:
Oh, really? I don't wanna You have to agree with him? No.
[02:51:09] Unknown:
I want I wanna just hear your flow, and then well, I can comment. Oh, okay. Interrupt your flow.
[02:51:14] Unknown:
Oh, thank you. Well, I'm thinking it was one-sided because, Abraham wasn't commanded that he had to do anything. It it was a the father declared to Abraham that he was gonna do this, and it seemed to be, to me, immaterial whether Abraham agreed with it or not. Then, so you got this CI thing, which is covenant people, and it's very exclusive only to the, progeny of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and their descent. So as I've been studying for continually forever, I just see that in spite of this, like, as if, according to that doctrine, every all of these covenant people are accepted.
And, but I just in reading, over and over the history, when when people went against his will, when they did wrong to their brothers. And, I mean, even I mean, it's documented well that when, if he didn't say go to war against people who were his enemies, Ammonites, you know, Amalekites, etcetera, they didn't win. So and the those, of that covenant people, when they did wrong, some of them, it says, were written out of the book of what? So I began to think about oh, and then and then in the scripture, the father would would talk about people who weren't in this group who did good deeds.
In other words, did right and did good, and he approved of that. But as far as the end picture of the judgment and all of that, the CI doctrine says they're not included. And that was always a problem with me because if the chosen people are excluded because they do evil, but then he approves of people who aren't in that group and they do good, then what does that mean as far as the judgment goes? So that's that's my thinking.
[02:54:00] Unknown:
No. I get that. And when you said the covenant of Abraham is did you use the word one-sided? Yeah. Well, no. I I understand what you're saying now and I agree. Abraham didn't have any agreement in it. He didn't say anything. Matter of fact, God knocked him out cold during the whole thing. And, so he It was a unilateral promise as a trust settlement, which a trust settlement always is. It's just one man saying, here's what I'm gonna do. Take it or leave it. If you wanna reject it, you can of course, but, here's what I've done for my people. And if I want them to accept it, I'll wiggle their willer and they will accept it. That that's part of that doctrine too.
But, the identity movement left a lot of questions unanswered, still does. It's been a popular thing in the English speaking world for a long, long time. I mean, we're going way, way, way back in the surge serpent seed doctrine. Of course, by the time you get to America, you got the Mormons. That was their official position that they are the chosen people of God. You've got the Armstrongism, Herbert w Armstrong, very popular when I was, a young man at church. His son then took over after he died. They were that way too. But, you notice the, that, Zionists don't bother, never bothered Herbert w. Armstrong's movement or the Mormons.
I'm just making an observation. Why didn't they bother them? Well, those two taught that, the 10 tribes were their ancestors, but Judah and Benjamin, the southern tribes were not. Well, that's what's important to Zionist, the scepter and the kingship that came through Judah. So I don't know that that's why they do it, but it looks like they never bother them, but they bother other people. The identity movement was that all the tribes were that, Northern Europeans are descended from all the tribes. Well, I don't quarrel with them about it. I'm not part of that movement. Although many men over the years have been my friends in that movement. But I have noticed that because it leaves it leaves a lot of things unexplained, it draws a lot of unsavory people. I mean, Pete Peters was a target of indictment for conspiracy to commit murder because he was teaching that doctrine and he attracted people to his church that proved to be very dangerous to him. Whether for right or wrong, it'd be just fact. You say, well the government shouldn't have done that. No they shouldn't have, you're right but still danger is danger and that's where we are to be wise as servants and harmless as doves.
You Now I can't tell you how many time people have come to me as a lawyer and said they've said to me they tell me their story and they say, but they they the government can't do that. And I'd say, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, let's let's get our facts straight first. Isn't it true from what you just told me that the government just did that? Then why are you turning around saying the government can't do that? You gotta your mindset's off. The government does a lot of things that are wrong because they have power. That's the whole story of mankind. People who have power do things that they have no authority to do. That's called a false false flag operation. That's our troubles. That's how it comes. Women do things they don't have authority to do vis a vis their husbands.
Husbands do things they don't have authority to do vis a vis their wives or vis a vis their children. Children do things they have no authority to do, vis a vis their parents and on and on and on it goes. That's reality of living in a sinful world. How are we to deal with that? That the law of God steps in and says he gives us the command, says here's what we do. With all the confusion of doctrine, all the confusion in your family, in your life, what do I give you? I give you shalom, which is the willingness to do what I say no matter what other people think and no matter what you think. That's the experience of Christianity.
That's the bottom line friends with all the confusion of doctrine and sin in the world and there's a lot of it. That's what he wants you to do individually. If you think for example that what I've said here is worthwhile, I hope I can add a little color to your understanding of the Bible. But if you're not reading it, you're you're short changing yourself. If you're not getting the sweep and the flow. If somebody says, salvation is by grace through faith. If somebody says like me or like it was just said about Abraham and the covenant, do you know where that is in the Bible? Do you know the sweep and the flow of how that plays out? Have you read that passage there in the fifteenth chapter of Genesis and before it and after it? If you haven't done those things, you don't have a familiarity with the Bible, you don't know God.
You don't have a familiarity with the Bible, you don't know God. You may know about him, but you don't know him. I'm talking about knowing him. I write these things unto you because you're strong. The word of God dwells in you and therefore you have overcome the wicked one. First John chapter two verses 12 through 14. You see this throughout the bible. Strength to do what God wants you to do. To change your self not change no no to replace yourself, to replace your doctrine, to replace your desires, to replace what is going on in your family with what is good. You don't reform evil, you drive it out.
Darkness is only it's not reformable. It's only driven out with light. You flip the light switch and the darkness is gone. And you speak the word of God and the darkness just runs like scolded dogs. Scolded dogs runs. That's what we're trying to do here. Cut through all the mass of the discussion and the confusion and the stupidity that the devil raises to cause confusion. King James only. I'm not criticizing anybody that brings these subjects up because I'm glad they bring them up. So I'm thankful for you. I'm talking to everybody. King James only, the Septuagint only. Those are false flags of stupidity. They'll distract you into things that you don't wanna get involved in. That will take away from doing what?
From peace and tranquility of knowing what your job is and just doing it. Doing what God says, but you can't do what he says until you know what it is he said. If you're not in the Bible, have your nose in it, put in the word of God in the mental sod every day, you're a loser and you'll continue to be a loser. Even if you think you're a winner. A lot of people think they're winners, they're losers. Some people think they're losers and they're winners. I have that a lot. I think I'm down. I'm not getting anywhere. What's going on here? No. No. No. No. I go back and read the word of God again. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No. No. No. I'm on top.
And, we don't walk by our sight. We walk by our trust in our God for the future. That's the bottom line. Thank you for all your comments, every one of you. And there's so much that we're talking about. Right. Somebody wants to say something before I leave, and I welcome because I'm tired of talking. Go ahead. I want I wanna do something really quick. And there's Larry. Paul. Hang on. Hold on. Larry. Paul. Paul is here.
[03:01:19] Unknown:
Hang on, Larry. Just a second. And Samuel wanted to jump in there too a couple of minutes ago. I wanna go, a completely different direction for about ninety seconds. Brent, I would like you to be the witness. I want you to be the judge up on the bench, and I want everybody in here, the 31 people that remain in this room, to be the jurors, the empaneled jury. And I wanna know by confirmation, either yes or no, whether or not Ferris should be allowed on this program. I realize the final decision is on Roger, but I think it would be constructive to know whether or not the people that sit here and join Roger, every day or every week or whatever for take hours out of their day to listen to what Roger has to say. I think it's constructive for us to be able to know what the temperature of the room is and whether or not the people who join us actually wanna hear him or not. So if you wanna hear Farris on the program, un mute right now and say yes.
[03:02:25] Unknown:
Yes.
[03:02:33] Unknown:
Okay. That's one for Farris. Anybody that does not want to hear Ferris ever again on this program, unmute and say no.
[03:02:43] Unknown:
No. No. No. No. No way. No.
[03:02:48] Unknown:
No.
[03:02:51] Unknown:
I've still got a few minutes. Yeah. Say no. I still like to hear him.
[03:02:56] Unknown:
And
[03:02:59] Unknown:
I would still like to hear Farris, although on a very limited basis.
[03:03:03] Unknown:
I think Ferris should start his own channel for the people who wanna hear him.
[03:03:10] Unknown:
Time is pretty important.
[03:03:14] Unknown:
No.
[03:03:16] Unknown:
I say no.
[03:03:19] Unknown:
So we've got three for Ferris What do you say, Brent? And a host of no's. What do you say, Brent?
[03:03:26] Unknown:
I say that I'm not part of the jury according to your your method here, the process. But it is That's okay. But but but he's always welcome to listen. But, yeah, it is it is just concerning. I'll just put in some of my ideas that somebody would tell Roger to shut up. That's unforgivable. That's not the way it works here. Well, I think Ferris was telling me to shut up. Or you or you. You're the one that handles things. So no. No. We don't do that and button in. When we start and when we start talking, you or Roger or I, protocol demands it for the sake of order that that, everyone else stop. That's the way it works. So that's what I've got to say about it for what it's worth.
[03:04:10] Unknown:
Well, let let me let me explain a little bit of backstory. Every time, you know you know how disruptive Farris is when when he unmutes and he starts spouting off and starts talking about things aggrandizing and, like blowing, blowing sunshine up your up your pant leg and whatever he's doing. He comes in. It's a narcissistic attack and retreat, tactic. He comes in. He does something disturbing. We kick him out. Then he comes back in, with his hat in his hand, and he's giving, like, all these sunshines sunshines and flowers and candies and everything else just to try and get himself back into the good graces. It's a completely narcissistic tactic, and he's always disruptive, and he he is never never, or rarely on topic.
But there are three people May I may I Hang on, Matt. There are three people that have to watch the participant list constantly looking for any anonymous caller and move those anonymous callers off to a to a neutered room where people can listen, but they cannot speak. And it is because he is he's he's controlling the eyes of three people that have to watch every move that the room makes just to make sure he doesn't disrupt. And he's also abusing the ears of thirty, forty, 50, or 60 people that are in the room. Where does he have the right to do that?
That's my question.
[03:05:52] Unknown:
Well, if I'm the judge am I the judge? Yes. You're the judge. Okay. If I'm the judge, I can recognize what the jury has done. It's been it's clear that the jury says no. They don't want him. That's clear to me. Have I missed something? Nope. Nope. Yeah. The clerk. I'm asking the clerk to advise me here. I would like to make a comment.
[03:06:13] Unknown:
May I may I may I may I,
[03:06:16] Unknown:
May I comment first and then may I second?
[03:06:19] Unknown:
Yes. Okay.
[03:06:21] Unknown:
This is the time I've been listening that you come on over the last couple years. 90% of the disruption is he he comes in, he says his piece five minutes, ten minutes, whatever he's allowed, and then the next half hour or hour, he's not even there, and we're doing just like we're doing now. We are spending all our time talking about the Ferris problem, and he's not even there. So it's it's taking all of our time. It's takes over the shows even though he only might even say, you know, ten seconds of an offensive statement or whatever, whether it's a couple minutes, whatever he's allowed, and then it's us going over the same thing, talking about talking about the Ferris problem for thirty minutes. For every one minute that he's here, we're spending thirty minutes discussing it. So it's it's ridiculous. It's a joke, and it should be ended. But that that's that's it. That's my opinion. I yield.
[03:07:21] Unknown:
Okay. This is Cliff from California. And, I have withheld invitations to this program because of him, Because, it would it would be embarrassing to me to introduce people to a forum that has this kind of disruptor. That's my comment.
[03:07:46] Unknown:
Alright. Well, Jake wanna add another two.
[03:07:50] Unknown:
Okay. Add quickly, and then it's Larry's turn. Oh, you wanna add no too? Okay. Go ahead, Larry.
[03:08:02] Unknown:
Yeah.
[03:08:05] Unknown:
Yeah. I was just gonna say to Brent, I think what, what Doug was describing was the covenant that god made with Abraham was an unconditional covenant, and the covenant that god made with Israel through Moses was conditional. And you can read all about those conditions, you know, in Deuteronomy, different sections of the bible where it says, if you do this, I'll do this. If you don't do this, I'll do this. Those are those are all conditions, and they could not meet the conditions. They always violated the covenant, and it just culminated, up until seventy AD when god just destroyed that race of people known as Old Testament Israel. He destroyed them all in seventy AD when he used the Roman armies to penetrate the walls of Jerusalem.
And, there's a great siege that went on, and then about a million Jews died. According to Josephus, about a million Jews died during that battle, during that siege. Once they broke through, of course, they dismantled the temple, which was a magnificent structure. If you were to look at pictures, like modern day, compositions of what that thing looked like, it was it was almost like the eighth wonder of the world. Larry. They dismantled that completely. So Larry? Yes.
[03:09:42] Unknown:
I I appreciate you making the comment, but I think since we're holding court, we better finish that. Paul is doing that right now.
[03:09:55] Unknown:
I don't wanna let him finish. Oh, I thought I thought we were done. Okay. Sorry. Oh, are we done? Are we done? Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. I'm I'm done. I just wanted a preponderance of the evidence and consensus of opinion, and I got that.
[03:10:07] Unknown:
Okay. Alright. No. I understand. You're giving and what you're giving us is your understanding of the sweep and flow of the covenants of God, and I'm gonna give you my overall view, and then we can work it out over time, but right now I gotta go. But my overall view is there is one covenant, one, and there are two aspects of the same covenant. They're not opposites and they're not in contradistinction at all. And to say that is to destroy the entire bible in my humble view and my studied opinion. And this is the the viewpoint fundamentally of those that founded our country.
The English Anglicans, and that includes the Puritans and the and the the pilgrims and the congregationalists, the Scotch Irish Presbyterians, and the German and Dutch reformed groups. That was their view of the Bible, one covenant and two aspects. And that's I see that clearly in the Bible. And this is no small matter to me and it was an in house discussion. But if you wanna know some of the things that I think about Genesis 15, I wrote my thesis on Genesis 15 and the covenant that was cut there. I didn't answer all the questions that could be answered about it. My advisor at that time under oral exam and other things was a hardcore, hardcore dispensationalist named Paul Inns from, nice guy too and sincere from Dallas.
He's still living. He's up in his eighties and I believe he working down in Florida somewhere. But, he'd written still writing theology books. He's one of those kind of guys. But I wrote it in such a way that I didn't take a position on either side, but I was friendly to the dispensational point of view because they they are sincere, a lot of them, in being biblical. They're the ones that take the bible by the letters. They're the ones that are deeply involved in bible translation, have been. That's true. The covenant people haven't been so much. They're not and if they are, they're not serious about it. That's been my observation. Haven't been around it all these years.
A lot of confusion that goes on and all the different points of view. And then there are a lot of people that express their points of view about it, and they can't get their point of view across. And like me, sometimes I'll say something and somebody will meet me afterwards and thank me for saying, and they'll tell me what I said and thank me for it. And it'll be the exact opposite of what I've said. Now, either I said it wrong or I failed communicate or they do not listen or both. Likely it's both. So that's why all the confusion going on and it bears re, discussing for that reason.
But to summarize, there is one covenant. And the one that God made with Abraham, he cut it to put it in the Hebrew terms, like an indenture. He cut it, with Abraham. That is the covenant of Deuteronomy. That's the covenant of the book of Hebrews. Hebrews talks about the two aspects as you know. Two aspects and calls it two agreements. But they're not contrary. And the the the covenant of God opens up wider and wider and is repeated and reestablished and republished as the bible moves forward. And we know more about it. And that's why people get confused about it. But when the bible says old and new in the Greek text, those are two different words.
Two different words or two kinds of new. I should say old and new. There are two kinds of new. Two words for new in the old in the new testament. And to grasp and that's not easy. I've been struggling with it for a long time. To grasp the difference between those synonyms is the only way to understand what's being said and not fall into the air of saying there's two covenants. I just re recommend that to you from my point of view. I'm gonna go now. Appreciate all the comments. This is getting down to the bottom though, because thank you, Paul. The covenant of God, this one covenant of God is the only thing that defines God's relationship to his man.
There isn't anything else. And to deny that is to just ruin your life down here on earth as the Baptist do. It's just a mess. Your life has no peace. It can't. You've denied the law of God. Every element of the law of God is in support of that trust settlement. That one trust settlement. Somebody was gonna say something. I what was it? Somebody's go ahead.
[03:14:38] Unknown:
Either Doug or Samuel. Samuel's been waiting. Emil, are you still there?
[03:14:51] Unknown:
Hello? Hey.
[03:14:53] Unknown:
Yeah. Brent, I did have something I was confused about. Normally, when you say the Masoretic text, you're talking 600 to a thousand AD. Do you mean ancient Hebrew, or do you mean Masoretic?
[03:15:09] Unknown:
Well, Masoretic used the square script as you know, apparently. Is that right? Is that what you're saying? I'm talking about the No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Answer my question. Are you talking about the Masoretes use of the square script? Is that what you're talking about? No. Well, what are you talking about?
[03:15:34] Unknown:
Either ancient Hebrew or the 600 to a thousand AD period. I don't know what you mean by Masoretic.
[03:15:41] Unknown:
Oh, okay. Well, then you you don't know what I mean by square script either then, probably. No. Oh, okay. That's that's okay. I just thought maybe you did, and I was just gonna address it. Well, here's the what I know about that. There is an ancient Hebrew script, and there's a square script that came along with the rabbis. But Nobody knows exactly when it arose, but the script we see now, if you pick up, a newspaper in Israel, it'll be in square script. If you pick up the Masoreid's bible, it's in square script. And the square script is, the same number of Hebrew letters, the same meanings of the letters, the same words as the ancient script.
For example, you can go to the the tunnel, the tunnel that goes to the spring outside of Jerusalem. And that tunnel was there to reach the spring in case they were under siege, they could get water. And it's through solid rock. You can go read about it. But on the, when they, they come in from both ends and when they were shipping the rock, which took a long time, they could hear each other as they were getting close. Of course, that made them happy because you could start at both ends and and miss each other, you know. They had to figure it out, right? And they met each other. And when they did that, they inscribed on the wall, the distance. They measured measured the distance in cubits and they inscribed it there.
And of course, from that distance, we know exactly what what the ancient Cuba is. What, what the ancient, ancient Cuba is. That's the, I don't know why people don't talk about that. I can go read it. I've seen the script and it's in that ancient script. And that ancient script is important. And I've looked at it in the course, and you can go back and study it. And I memorized the ancient script and I've used it some, but it's not what you use when you, when you study the, the manuscripts of the Bible in Hebrew, because they use the square script letters that you see now in Hebrew. And the reason they did that was so it would enable them to put dots and dashes around the letters that would preserve what they believed was the proper pronunciation of Hebrew in their day.
And that's what the Masoretes did. They took the text and that consonants. They said that was so sacred. We're not going to touch it with a pen and those dots around it called the vowel pointings because the Hebrew alphabet has no vowels in it. And the Hebrew writing has no vowels in it. You just add them in your mind as you talk. Truth is you can't pronounce consonants without pronouncing vowel sounds. And they know what those are. And the same thing true in English. You know, you were you could write my name Brent with b r n t. That's the way they write their language. And how would you pronounce b r n t? Well, you'd say Brent, Brandt, or Bront. You'd use a vowel. But in our tongue, in our English tongue, the vowels that we pronounce change. I just listened to that man from Arkansas, Doug. He's from Massachusetts and he pronounced vow He pronounces vowels in words that I don't pronounce.
Why? Because vowels are fluid. You don't close your oral passage. So they morph from country to country, location to location. Even if they're written a certain way, they morph. And vowels are not part of Semitic tongues. There are 22 letters in the Hebrew alphabet. They use the square script, but it's the same letters that they used anciently. So go ahead.
[03:19:01] Unknown:
What years did the Masoretics do this?
[03:19:05] Unknown:
Well, this started back. Oh, I'll repeat it. I've said it before. It started way back about during the time of the Septuagint. We know that much. And we know that. We say that because the manuscripts from Dead Sea scrolls, which weren't Masoretes, But those, that family of manuscripts match the Masoretic text in an uncanny way. So you say, well, this tradition must have started back then. See? But to get hung up on that, here's what's funny about this and people get hung up on it. I kinda know about it and I don't know everything, but I've looked at enough. I'm satisfied. That's not the important thing. The important thing is what did God say? And you can pick up any Bible and read it, read the flow of it. And to get caught up in all this chicken moon earth is a waste of time. There are those of us who've given our lives to try to understand some of it. And there are men that know a lot more about it than I, but but that's not what God wants, everybody to do. People God does not want his men who are not equipped to do that. He wants them to go out and do the job and that's what men need to do. And that's why our country is falling apart. So what I find out, people get caught up in in minutia that does not matter.
This does not matter. We have beautiful translations of the Bible and there are those who have devoted their lives to doing that and that's so we can go out and actually do the work that God has us to do. Slay the dragons, take the land, that's what you're supposed to do. All of us are to varying degrees, some are commissioned to do otherwise. That's why I don't think it's a worthwhile you know, it's not a worthwhile thing to get caught up in all this. And then the question, what funny it is, I say it's just curious. You're a curious man. That's the kind of men we need, of course. You wanna know the bottom line. Well, if you spend your life studying it, your life's only so long. I take it. You haven't spent your life studying it. And at this point in your life, it's not gonna be something you're gonna be able to really understand that much because it's just a matter of time. You don't have enough time to do it. You put your time into things that are just as important, if not more important. So why don't you pick up on that? This is my suggestion for what it's worth. Pick up on that and run.
We we are a body of Jesus Christ. There are some people called to talk. Other people called to study, other people called to do a little bit of both, other people are called to do certain things that other people can't do. We're all called to do different things. Not everybody's an eyeball, not everybody's a toe, not everybody's a liver. And just relax and naturally do what what you feel capable of doing and you will do what God wants you to do. But in all events, you gotta do what the book says. That's my suggestion to everybody listening. No, I'm not just talking to you. I mean, just in general. But the curiosity is good that we know a little bit about these things and know that God did preserve his word.
But when it gets right down to the bottom, it's like the mathematician that finds out that a line, a single line is the basis of all mathematics. And then he discovers that a line has no dimension. Well, it only I mean, it has only one dimension. That's length. It doesn't have width. It doesn't have height. That does not compute with logic, my friends. But that's what all of geometry and all arithmetic is based on. And if you try to if you try it, you you accept the fact of it but it's not logical. You can't figure all that out. No mathematician has ever figured that out. And that's the way this stuff is. And our whole of all of our common law traditions that way, the law of nature and the laws of nature's God. It's the man that takes what he knows as little as it may be or as great or anywhere in between and does something with it that gets ahead.
I've seen amishmen do stuff with hand tools as carpenters that men with power tools couldn't get done or it took them twice the time to do. Why go the amishman with his hammer and his saw, he can take that and he can make it work. And that's what God wants us to do. Take what he has given us. Every man, what every man knows, every man's education is unique to himself and what he has given you was what he wants you to do. Don't try to be somebody else and do what they have been given to do for whatever reason. That's not where Christianity is. That's not where the power of God is. Power of God is taking what you got, being your own man, doing with what what you can do. Back to you though. Did you wanna make another comment?
[03:23:23] Unknown:
Well, I just,
[03:23:25] Unknown:
think it's important because, I don't wanna be taking the words of Pharisees when I should be taking the word of God.
[03:23:33] Unknown:
As I'd said, when you take any translation of the Bible, I suggest three just to start. The Geneva, the King James, and the New American Standard. Take any, and take any of those. You're gonna get the word of God and you'll get more of it. If you master the English Bible, you'll know more about the Bible than preachers in 14 counties in your area. There's no question. No question. Just if you just discipline yourself, all of you, not just you, anybody, read it every day. I struggle with this discipline trying to do this. It's important. And I gave you that point about Donald McDougall.
What a great guy. He had problems in his life. I know him personally. Tough problems. And he got up every morning and read the Bible, the English Bible, his native tongue. The fellow that founded Southwest Seminary was, down in Houston. It's big Southern Baptist Seminary now. His name, escapes me. He was a Texas ranger. Oh, b h Carroll. B h Carroll, c a r r o l, I think, or something like that. He He was a Texas ranger, and he carried books in his saddlebags everywhere he went, and he finally, he got more and more into it. Finally, after all the years he wanted to he got into education after he got older and he, wrote a series of commentaries called b h Carroll commentaries on the English Bible.
Not the Greek, not the Hebrew, the English. We have the Bible and the translators gave us a good one. I think it's important too but recognize you're not God. You can't know everything. I've had to come to grips with that. There's a lot of things I'd like to do in life too. And I, things I wanna dig into and I can't do it. I don't even read commentaries anymore. I just concentrate on the tongues. That's what I've been given to do. But there are things you're talking about things I'm interested in too. But I know what I gotta know to get the job done I gotta do. And as I get closer to the the far end of life, I focus more on one thing. And if you can find one thing that you do well, you don't have to worry about anything else. That's the way God wants it. That's why he gives us different personalities and get different gifts. And there's not a one of us any more important than the other. Not a one.
The greatest men in Christianity are the ones that don't have any formal education at all. The greatest preachers in Christianity through the centuries are the ones that don't have any formal education at all. Like DL Moody and Charles Spurgeon, not much formal education at all. Well, there are the educated preachers that are very effective. Yes. Right. That's good. Most of us aren't like Moody. That's a special case, but they're the greatest. God takes the ones that don't know much and he does the most with them just to, defogle the rest of us. He says that.
Well, why is that guy so well known? Why does he have so much influence? I'll tell you why. Because God said that's the way it's gonna be. Well, he didn't have any education. He hasn't taken time to prepare himself. Well, that's what God said. He's not gonna let any of us get any glory at all for anything we do. I gotta go, but good talking to you. Paul, thank you so much and all the rest of you for the comments and questions. This is a highlight of my life. Pray for all of you. I do. You're the ones that you're you're here. The ones that are God put around around me and me around you. So look forward to talking to you next week.
[03:26:51] Unknown:
Thank you, Brent.
[03:26:52] Unknown:
Thank you, Paul.
[03:26:56] Unknown:
Hey, guys. I'm gonna take the stream down because we've already been going for three and a half hours. So this has been the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales and co host Brent Allen Winters, the Friday edition for 11/21/2025. Check out our website, thematrixstocks.com, thematrixdocs.com, where you'll find links to free conference calls so you can join us live on the show. Also, you will find links to the radio streams, herofolkradio.com, and Global Voice Radio Network. You will also find archives on Pod Home for the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales, including transcripts and AI generated descriptions, show notes, and chapters. I'm Paul from Global Voice Network and the tech for the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales. Ciao.
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[03:28:12] Unknown:
Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the
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castle.
Opening banter, show lineup, JFK date and network plugs
Platforms, call-in details and hosts set the stage
JFK anniversary, Israel, and early debate over nuclear policy
Origins of the hosts research journey and the search for who and why
Name changes, Netanyahu background, and Hollywood stage names
Brent Winters joins: Greek terms, hypokrit19, and legal analogies
Judaism, Babylonian scholasticism, and theological contrasts
Personal convictions, APAC experience teaser, and book notes
Jacob, Esau, the clutcher, and lessons from wrestling with God
Farm machinery, clutches, flywheels, and old-time know-how
Refining by fire: pottery kilns, dross, and spiritual metaphors
Walking through the valley: warfare, peace, and religious critique
Peace amid a mad world and common-law notions of honor and fear
Big words, humor, and a preface to faith and law
Law school costs, BarBri stories, and scraping by with a big family
WWII stories, a judge with a limp, and courtroom truth-finding
Campaigning, Ron Paul support, and the APAC obstacle course
Rhetoric, racism definition, and the Berg the banker tactic
Gingrich, name recognition, and primary victory mechanics
Love defined as law-keeping and unconditional but demanding
Sheldon Emery, Pete Peters, and influence networks
APAC gala seating chart, Armed Services contact, and DC meetings
Hebrew in D.C., Talmud concerns, and you have heard it said
Idols as visual aids to worship and disputes over icons
Eastern Orthodoxy interest, dispensationalism, and the rapture
Manuscript preservation, Masoretes, and textual reliability
Courses, Winterized Bible, and common-law curriculum promo
Masoretic vs. Septuagint debate and practical reading advice
Judeo-Christian label critique and language as a battleground
How to master the English Bible: sweep and flow over minutiae
Dialects, Scots influence, and American speech patterns
Moderation drama: call-in decorum and community standards
Charity vs. love in 1 Corinthians 13 and translation choices
Study to show yourself approved: workmen and teachers
Covenants: one covenant with two aspects and implications
Ancient scripts, square script, vowels, and practical focus
Roles in the body, do what you can with what you have
Wrap-up, websites, archives, and sign-off
