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On today’s weekend edition of the Radio Ranch, I open the lines for new and returning listeners to dig into practical steps for getting free of bad assumptions about taxes and status, plus the current swirl of politics and media. We walk through real-world issues like W‑4 “exempt” entries, IRS lock‑in letters, how and when to use Forms 15103 and 8233, state withholding forms (OK and AL examples), and what to say (and not say) to employers. We also cover why documenting your position, answering every letter, and keeping transcripts/archives matters—and where to find the materials. 

 We range wider, too: AI’s value and risks for legal research (Grok, Claude, ChatGPT—and hallucinations), a Utah Supreme Court case listeners flagged, and broader economic chatter (Brighteon interview mentions, Miles Franklin, stablecoins). Callers bring up newsy items around Trump, Letitia James, Adam Schiff, JD Vance, MS‑13, and more. If you’re new, this episode is a fast, candid primer with pointers to resources you can read, save, and act on.
 

• 'Global Voice Radio Network (stream/archives)': https://radio.globalvoiceradio.net

 

• 'Euro Folk Radio': https://eurofolkradio.com

 

• 'The Matrix Docs (show hub, archives, resources)': https://thematrixdocs.com

 

• 'Rumble (platform)': https://rumble.com

 

• 'National Status (remedy library, samples, FAQs)': https://nationalstatus.info

 

• 'ID.me (IRS transcript identity verification)': https://www.id.me

 

• 'IRS — Form W‑4 (Employee’s Withholding Certificate)': https://www.irs.gov/forms-pubs/about-form-w-4

 

• 'IRS — Form 15103 (Form 1040 Return Delinquency)': https://www.irs.gov/forms-pubs/form-15103-form-1040-return-delinquency

 

• 'IRS — Form 8233 (Exemption from Withholding for Nonresident Alien Individuals)': https://www.irs.gov/forms-pubs/about-form-8233

 

• '26 U.S.C. § 3402(n) — Exemption from withholding (reference)': https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/3402

 

• 'Oklahoma Tax Commission (state income tax info/forms)': https://www.oklahoma.gov/tax.html

 

• 'Alabama Department of Revenue — A‑4 (Employee’s Withholding Exemption Certificate)': https://www.revenue.alabama.gov/individual-income-tax/withholding-tax/alabama-withholding-forms/

 

• 'U.S. Senate — Senator JD Vance': https://www.vance.senate.gov

 

• 'U.S. Department of Justice — Special Counsel’s Office (Jack Smith)': https://www.justice.gov/sco

 

• 'Representative Adam Schiff — U.S. House of Representatives': https://schiff.house.gov

 

• 'New York State Attorney General — Letitia James': https://ag.ny.gov

 

• 'Henry Ford Health (health system referenced)': https://www.henryford.com

 

• 'The HighWire with Del Bigtree': https://thehighwire.com

 

• 'Brighteon (video platform mentioned for the interview)': https://www.brighteon.com

 

• 'Miles Franklin Precious Metals (Andy Schectman)': https://www.milesfranklin.com

 

• 'OpenAI — ChatGPT': https://openai.com/chatgpt

 

• 'Anthropic — Claude': https://www.anthropic.com/claude

 

• 'xAI — Grok': https://x.ai

 

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That's  

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Yes, sir, Alvin.   Let's see. We're gonna try another stab at it on the weekend edition, the Saturday, the Sabadeau edition of the old radio ranch   with Roger Sales. Good morning on the twenty fifth.   Venti   Cinco,   Paul. Venti Cinco of Octo Rey.  

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Six days. No. Today. Yeah. Six days.  

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Well, there's a bunch of stuff right in front of us, and it may be real rocky. K? We just don't know.   Mhmm. So anyway, that's where we are. We got, I know, a very abbreviated,   list of cast characters that help us this morning. Is that correct? Am I correct again? Oh, absolutely. We are on  

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eurofolkradio.com.   Thanks to pastor Eli James.   We're on Global Voice Radio Network. That is radio.globalvoiceradio.net.   You can also find the archives there   where that link goes. We're on rumble.globalvoiceradio.net.   Rumble is live and, as far as I know, working properly.   And, our website is thematrixdocs.com   where you will find links to Euro Folk Global Voice and also   all the new student resources, the links to free conference calls so you can join us live on the show,   and,   downloadables,   exhibits. Oh my god. It's like a drink from a fire hose. Come on down.  

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Yeah.  

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Well, good morning, Paul.  

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Good morning. Of course, Saturday and,   oh, there's just a whole bunch of stuff happening. I don't know whether the show is, of course, originally for new students, people who have questions about getting free and want to and or skier or whatever. Curious.   Don't have all the answers they want. Don't feel comfortable with that's why we're here. I just wanna get out of bed early on Saturday morning and the other five days.   But to get in here and talk to y'all, see if anybody's got these questions is,   because one thing, you cannot answer questions on this stuff over email. You it's all it's really   difficult.  

So,   three three way communication is the best. So if you're one of those folks that   heard about it, maybe listened to a interview or somebody told you a bit about it or whatever, you're curious, you wanna stop by and  

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kick a tire, find out a little bit more. That's why we're here. So please don't be shy if you've got any questions.  

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So right here at the first program, my well, you you're probably too shy at this point if you're new.   Anyway anyway, anywhere through the next couple hours, you're welcome   to hit star six and say, hey, Roger,   hi, or   whatever, and we'll   recognize you.   Now right before we went on the air, Robbie was on there and asking if Bory was here.   Robbie yeah. Is Bory here?  

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Bory.  

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He's done.  

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Mhmm. Oh, well. Okay. Maybe maybe you don't work on weekends.  

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Could be. But I think I that he might come around on weekends. I don't know. Anyway. He's here. He's  

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on the board. He's on the board, but he's but he might not He's not responding. Okay. Well, I wanted to address the, the little  

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well, the high heated discussion we had the other day on mister Trump, and I   I was talking over him and trying to talk same time. But I did hear one of the things that he was saying on there. He said, I hate all politicians. You remember that, Robbie?  

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Yes, sir.  

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Well, that may be the problem we had because mister Trump's not a politician.   He's a builder.   A politician is someone who has a career of politic political seats   and uses that as their career. Mister Trump, this is his first political office.   The only reason he's running is because the country was going to downhill, and he was well, he's got five children he really loves. I'm sure he was cute, you know, worried about his children, his grandchildren,   and he was motivated.   Excuse me. Motivated to,   to run for office. So mister Trump is not a politician.   I would say mister Trump is more of a statesman   from that, but he's not a career politician, which is what Bordie was inferring, at least as what I understood. So,   anyway, that's my 2¢. I just think you're relabeling   the guy wrong. Okay?  

So,   oh, let's see. Other than that, we've got,   let's see how definition of a word can throw things out out the window.   We've got the thing Monday.   No. Not Monday. When is it? Halloween's Tuesday. Right? Yeah. Tuesday, I think. Is that right, Paul?  

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I'd have a calendar and see.   I think it is. Days days of the week really don't mean much to me, especially considering there's only one day a week I have off. And Yeah.   There's considering there's only one day a week I have off, and Yeah. There's always people trying them.   '31  

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is Friday. Halloween is Friday, Roger.  

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Yeah. It's Friday.   Halloween is Friday.  

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Next Friday? Okay. Boy, I got messed up there.   Okay. Then the first will be on Saturday.  

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Yep.  

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Okay.  

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Well, next week Are you are you?   What? Are you saying there might be a bank holiday starts on Friday? Well,  

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I'm not, but that's not out of the question. I mean,   the condition of the   economy is not good.   Remember, at least ours.   And very very interesting thing, they were talking about it yesterday. I wanna thank,   I who was it that sent me?   Somebody sent me a good Andy Scheckman interview   over on I think it was Joe over   on,   Mike Adams.   And they went into a whole bunch of depth very deep on what's going on right now with the   Cybercoins   and all that stuff and   what they're doing with it. It's very complex just to hear it one time. And   especially those two are pretty, attuned to what they were talking about, and they talk a little bit faster and don't explain   stuff that most people I don't think understand. Anyway, it was really a provocative interview.  

And,   and then there was a statement,   from JD Vance, I believe, in the last day or two that there's no way to get out from under what we're under right now without the dollar not being the world reserve currency.   So they're actually saying the dollar's not gonna be the reserve currency to accomplish what they're trying to accomplish.   And, it's quite interesting. I don't know that I really totally understood it,   but, but that's what they were saying. And,   so that's kinda interesting because it's always been to keep   the dollar as the world reserve currency. They call it the absorbent privilege.  

And,   but now it looks like that their end game is for it not to be, and they think there's a way   for them to pay off the national debt with Bitcoin. I guess that's another thing I picked out of there.   So anyways, very interesting. I guess it's over on Brighteon somewhere. If you wanna go listen to it and you're into that, probably people like Wayne would.   But, it's just a really   good interview with Sheckman on some very deep, deep stuff. So   if you're into that, that's a good thing to listen to. I listened to it last night myself.   Otherwise, in that, we've got the snap   thing.  

I guess we got a little a week of relief from whatever happens with that, and that's gonna be on on   Saturday, the first, when they cut off the snap cards.  

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Unless perfect come  

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well, unless the Democrats come to the table this week because the pressure's on them. I mean, they're trying to say it's the Republicans and everybody in the world knows it's not or almost everybody.   And those are these guys trying to get money for the what they're trying to do is they're trying to fund Obamacare   totally   Okay. To take care of all the illegals   also.  

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Now what, Paul? I'm sorry. Step away. It's the perfect time. It's the perfect time for   literal   excrement to hit the fan. They got the government shutdown,   the SnapCard shutdown,   the thirty first occurs on a Friday,   perfect time to start a bank holiday.   If the banks are closed, the SnapCards   don't work,   and the government's unfunded,   that is the perfect time for   unrest of every kind, sort, and description all the way across the country. No access to food via Snap and no access to their money because the bank isn't open.  

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Well, could be Perfect timing. Well, could be. I mean, all those things are converging right now. We'll see how it works out, hopefully.   Not it's not bad, but certainly could turn bad real easy, and that's what they want. They want a civil war,   and, we'll see if this is the time or they're anchoring a little bit more for next spring.   We'll see. Roger.  

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There's no reason to wait until spring. One moment, Larry. There's no reason to wait until spring because people   don't freeze in the summer. And I think that's their plan is to freeze people out this winter.  

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Could be. Larry?  

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Yeah.   I just wanted to,   interject something.   You you open up the show with,   talking about how Bory   said he hates all politicians.   And I remember yesterday, you said that you   say a prayer for Trump every day, and Well, I try to the will of God.  

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What's that?  

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I try to at night. Sometimes, I guess, I forget, but I try to. Right. I want the guy to do good. Do you want him to do bad?  

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No. No. Wow. And that is the will of God.   We we should be praying for leaders in government because the Bible Absolutely.   Actually, it commands us. It says in first Timothy   chapter two verses one and two,   I exhort therefore that, first of all, supplications,   prayers, intercessions,   and giving of thanks be made for all men, for kings,   and for all that are in authority that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness   and honesty.   And so it doesn't matter if they are lying or doing dishonest things.   We need to pray for them that they would do the right thing, and God can still take a person and use them for his glory.  



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Right. That he used them. That's and and God used men throughout history. And,   I I I pray for president Trump. I'd like to see good things happen for our country. I never figured there's a political solution to this mess,   and I'm not sure that I still believe there is, but at least we're making some inroads of making things right. The border's closed. We're deporting,   bad guys. I mean, did you hear Larry Jers talk about they've they they, captured the in Chicago,   the head of MS thirteen   just this week. Did you hear that?   No. I must have missed that one. Yeah. I used the head of MS thirteen. He's the guy that started it. They caught him in Chicago. He's going back if he's not already there to El Salvador to face, face the, crimes that he's done down there. There's been tens of thousands of these   gangsters,   turned   caught and left the country. There's there's a list. And Boris said name one thing that Trump has done. My god. There's a laundry list of stuff that he's done positive. You know? If you hadn't seen any of that, you're just not paying attention. And,   I I'd say pray for mister Trump.  

He's the best shot we got. I don't see anybody else out there anywhere in the field left to right that could even come close to taking the   the the   the the the position he's got with all these damn problems.   So I just   I'm a half glass full guy.   I always think optimistically   and with hope.   I don't say negative. All that stuff's bad. They made me a couple of errands maybe with the Jews, whatever. And they're not even all bad. There's some very good Jews out there.   But that's my suggestion is you pray for mister Trump.   Do you know, Larry, he's got five children.  

Right? I believe.   One, two, three, four. Yeah. I believe so.   Do you know that he calls every one of his children every day?   In the middle of this schedule,   he calls every one of his children every day.   Do you ever hear the thing I heard the and these are the things you don't hear about Trump because he tells people not to let it out.   I read an article in the paper that some the husband was killed, bus driver or something.   Next week, they get noticed their mortgage was totally paid for.   Trump paid for their entire mortgage, said don't tell anybody.   Was a case of a gal that was a homeless black woman in New York.  

It got he he lives, when he before he got to be president, he was living there at Trump Tower in New York City.   And this homeless black woman snuck into the hotel somehow   and got into one of the lower floors into one of the rooms.   And when the maids were coming around to clean the room, she wouldn't leave.   And there was big commotion.   They called the manager. Manager came. Big commotion.   Trump caught wind of it.   And he came down, and he said, let her stay in the room.   And he gives her two or three meals a day and flesh fresh flowers once a week.   And I think, to my knowledge, she's still in there. That was years ago, the first term.  

Do you ever hear about that stuff though, do you?   No. You don't. Okay?   If for one reason, he doesn't want it out there. He's not doing it to aggrandize himself. He's doing it to help people that are in bad shape.   So I think, a lot of people,   misconstrue mister Trump for something he's not. He's a very generous man. Look. The guy had a worldwide   business.   Super successful,   loves to play golf, got great golf courses all over the world.   It's   set for money for the rest of his life,   and he leaves that in retirement and and and sitting around rolling around with that beautiful wife of his all day?   And he leaves that to come take on all these problems?  

Do you do you think he needed that? You think he needs some money? I promise you he doesn't need the money. He he donates all of his,   200,000   or whatever it is per year to a veteran's orphans,   or family   organization. He's doing the same thing now. He doesn't take a penny out of the government.   Biden did. He's stealing millions.   He's still taking everything he can get.   So I think maybe the people that have a little bit of a misconception,   mister Trump, if you took in the whole field of who he is and what he's done, what he's accomplished, I'll tell you one thing I'd like for you to do, Robbie.   You like to search around on the Internet. Why don't you go look up the interview with Donald Trump from Oprah Winfrey about thirty, thirty five years ago?  

Why don't you go listen to that?   He's saying the exact same thing now.   He hasn't changed. He's not a politician.   So you you better think positive and pray for the guy. We're in a hell of a hell of a mess. Everybody in the world respects him for the most part,   and,   and and we got a true leader   that has done more for my country   just in a little bit of time than any of the other presidents altogether in my entire lifetime.   K?   So my 2¢.   If you got a rebuttal, we'd like to hear it. But that's what I see. I try and look at it half have the guys incredibly   successful.  

I mean, for the vicious vindictive enemies that he's got,   and you've seen it. We've all seen it for years now.   The two first four years, they impeached him twice.   I think they tried to charge him in where? New York, in in my of South Florida,   Atlanta,   Jack Smith, and DC,   but at least three or four of those cases in the interim before he got elected.   And now that he's elected,   they've never found one piece of dirt on this guy   in all these years,   in all those incredible investigations   done by these incredible vicious and vindictive enemies that would love to get anything   on him. They could blow out of proportion.  

They can't even find it.   What? The old woman he raped? The that says he raped the wacko?   It's just absurd. So, anyway, fine, I challenge you. Find anybody else in America that can run through that gauntlet right there.   Two impeachments and a number of trials,   discovery, being arrested,   all that stuff, and then not find one piece of dirt on the guy. Name me one other person.  

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Hey, Raj.   Yes. Paul. There's only two things he's gotta do   to go down in history as the greatest president   ever.   He's gotta end usury,   and he's gotta declare the emergency over. He's gotta declare peace. I think I've and and that's  

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I agree with you. And he may not even know about the emergency.   No one should hear you. Not know about that. We don't we we impute that he knows, but he may not know about that literally.   No. I So anyway, that's where we are. I suggest if let's pray for the guy. You can do whatever you want.  

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I've heard reports   that say that they have   actually   given that information to him, and this was a long time ago. He's had plenty of time to act on it,   and he hasn't.  

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Okay. Well, we'll see. I just date date and time, I know we can end the emergency too if we could ever get the right set of conditions,   get on a good platform with a with with   a huge audience.   We if we I believe if we could do that, get on, like, say, one of the Infowars,   shows   that we could garner enough   people out of that audience that could potentially   really   empower us to the point of   being a player maybe.   Well, at least take the take the picture, into consideration.   I don't know. That's what I dream of. That's what my goal would be, and that's what I kinda get up every morning to   do these shows on. It's just that we get one more person, just one more person.  

And they never know who somebody's gonna know, whose second cousin is   some important guy somewhere, and they're in a mood, and they're receptive, and this rings their bell.   We just never know.   Okay. You just got a kid every day and just keep putting one foot in front of the other. And just like Mel Fisher, you know, with the,   Atosha,   today's the day. Yes, Larry.  

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Yes. I just gotta say,   have you heard the latest about Leticia James? So she plead not guilty,   and there's a trial set for January 2026.   And she aggressively   pursued   Trump.   And, you know, you gotta be careful in life,   because you reap what you sow. So now she's under the gun   and with the possibility of jail time for all the misrepresentations   on that mortgage application  

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that she allegedly broke. Multiple   mortgage applications. It wasn't just one.   There are houses in both and buildings in New York and in Virginia that are all under the same deal.   Now get this.   Hey. There's our buddy. Hey, Argo.   Man, right, for the new people that hadn't met him, Mark is gonna be joining us today, it would appear, at least for maybe a little while. Hey, Mark? We'll try. We'll we'll be here as long as I can.   Is it right? It's raining in Oklahoma. It's raining in Oklahoma.  

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Yeah. It's overcast and dreary and   and cool.   I like the cool part.   But, I did some deep research on Leticia James. I forget the gentleman's name,   but he exposed her that she has a long track record   of committing mortgage crime dating all the way back to her,   '19 I think 1983   and 1984.   She claimed her dad as a spouse   and to qualify for a loan.   And so   I started doing some, you know, legal research   because they,   you know, they're only, I think they're only hitting her with one count. Well, actually there's two charges. I don't remember what they both were.   But   there's a ten year statute of limitations normally. But check this out.  

That is all done with   with mail and electronic   wiring.   So   if they can show there that she has a pattern and history of committing mortgage crimes,   they could ask the court to go   beyond the ten year statute of limitations.  

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The couple of other things she bought, she's this has been done on a number of houses, both in Virginia and her five   apartment building in New York.   So it's multiple states and multiple counts.   On several of them, one of them, she was buying a house with her   niece   or a relative.   Right. And every time they would ask,   they they turned them down   nine times.   And the tenth time she said it was her primary residence and they okayed it.  

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Yeah.  

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They've got the five bedroom  

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no. And never lived there. That's in Virginia. Have you seen a picture of the house?  

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I I had the one in New York. I have It's a very it's a very basic frame house.  

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I doubt it's more than maybe fourteen, sixteen hundred square feet, which is, you know, average size.   But it's a little bit on the smaller looking side. And it's just a little basic frame house.  

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Little ranch house. Pardon  

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me?  

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What they call a little ranch house?  

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Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.   And she just bought it to put her her niece in,   and, they made it sound like she had the niece had little kids. Well, no. Those little kids were adult kids, and they all were   they all had criminal records.  

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Right. So  

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And and the one in New York the one in the one in New York's even more egregious because it's got five apartments.   And the limit for all these mortgages and stuff for all the really desirable aspects are four and under.   So she's been declaring that as only four bedrooms   when it's five.   And then she fills it up with criminal relatives   that rent.   Okay? I this woman is a piece of work. Okay? Yes. Yes.  

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You know, Roger, I'm I'm watching all these people   that attempted to take Trump out,   metaphorically. Politically, they were trying to take Trump out,   and   I really honestly think that they just never thought he would get reelected.   I think they never thought he would get reelected and all their crimes   would just go away.   But it's, it didn't seem to be happening. So   we'll see. I'm not real happy with Pam Bondi, but   maybe she'll start doing something. I mean, they got to hold all these people,   I mean, all these politicians   accountable. I don't care if you're   a democrat, republican, whatever.  

But if if you're out here committing crime as a politician, I mean,   you know, you need to be held accountable, period. Well, that  

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that yacht the same guy, the same charges are they've got on, Schiff too, Adam Schiff. Right? Shifty Schiff.   Right. Oh, but his his investigation   has stalled.  

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Imagine that.  

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I'm I was shocked. I really was. So we'll see. I think he must   be in the lineage   of,   Schiff from cone lobe.  

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I have no idea what that is.  

[00:27:44] Unknown:

You don't know about the the Schiff that came over as a Rothschild's agent and bought Kone Loeb and lend all the money. All all the dirty money a hundred years ago came out of Kone Loeb and the guy that ran it.   I'm spacing his first name, but it's Schiff is his first name.   Jacob Schiff. Thank you, Rick.   I I have heard that he is in that lineage, and that little tidbit right there might prove it.   Hey Rick, how are you doing this morning, buddy?  

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Yeah. He grew up in the Rothschild house in Frankfort, I think.  

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Okay.   I knew there's some kind of closets there he was in.   So, anyway, a lot of these people are getting busted, man. I guess, bro, but there all kinds of stuff has gone under the bridge since you were around the last time, Mark.   And,   just for the audience, it might not know you.   Well, Mark's our paralegal,   good buddy that came on board a few years back   and is so much help around here, and he's taking care of his elderly parents. And it's been quite a burden for him because we haven't seen you in a month or a couple months.   Yeah. But So how are they doing? Are they doing alright? Or are they They're hanging in there, you know, just,  

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having the effects of age. So Yep. So they're doing okay.  

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Okay. Well, I'm glad to hear that.   Because we didn't know we didn't know if you were taking full time with them or if you were having problems of your own like you had about a year ago or so.  

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Anyway, glad to hear you back here. I'm doing I'm doing okay, but, you know, dad   had an incident here about three months ago, put him in the hospital.   He needs some some rehabilitation,   and that was about a   oh, let me think. It's about a   four   to or five to six week ordeal.   And then and then to getting back home, and then they got all the home health coming in and out to check on him every, you know, every week. We've got a couple of   home health nurses that stop in and and, check on him.   So   it's just   got my hands full.  

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I know you do.   Good on you for doing that. Most people would try and shuffle them off into a home. We were talking about that the other day on part of the new world order scheme   of separating grandparents from grandchildren where they don't get   that knowledge of that history and insight   because they're off at home somewhere, unfortunately.  

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Right.  

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I think the biggest thing, Mark, maybe I mentioned it to you in the little exchange we had.   I think the biggest thing to me that's come under the bridge since you've been gone, and there have been quite a few things,   is this case that William found out of Utah's   supreme court.  

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Okay.  

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That Diette   is it Diette v Hansen? Is that somebody out there that's got a handle on that?   It's got an unusual spelling on the,   on the style. So do you know you know that exactly?  

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Yeah. I think it's Dyad, d y e. Okay. Dyad. Okay.  

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Anyway, Mark, and I I I can't quote it. It's about a 151   pages.   It is just right down the line on what we do.   He's talking about how if a state citizen gets in over in the federal citizenship   thing and, and, and what his losses are and all kinds of stuff, man. I mean, I just can't believe we've never found that case before. And anybody that's in our John right here,   that that just is Diat.   Diat's what I'm trying to come up with. It was Diat v Turner.  

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It's in the chat.  

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Oh. It's in the chat.   So anybody in Utah that's got any problems with our stuff, man, they're home free. There's Utah Supreme Court. That's binding precedent for Utah   in the state court system.   K? So when you get a chance, you got a few minutes, you might wanna look over that.   There's, they just read a few pertinent parts out of it, and it was   quite startling to me that we've never come across that case before. It's a nineteen sixty five pages?  

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Yep. Uh-huh. That's a massive   decision.   It's the one. Says it's a 155   pages from that link.  

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Whoever provided that, thank you. And it's worth reading. That was,  

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Oh, d y e t No. Versus Turner. Sketch.  

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Sketch put the put the first link in there. Thank thank you, Sketch. That's Yep.  

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I tell you guys, I have been   doing a lot of research using AI, and I really kinda honed that in, and it's just   such a huge time saver.   I could take this 155   page document and ask AI to summarize it,   and it would do it in just a a few seconds.  

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Well, now there are reports   there are reports hold on just a second, Rick, because I wanna confront that. There are reports   of attorneys using AI to write their briefs and stuff, and the judge in it says, the these sites are wrong.   And they go back, and AI had them wrong. So be very careful of that if you use it now. Well,  

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I understand. And,   that's one thing you must do is if it cites a statute   or a code   or a case,  

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you've got to go with those up. Yeah. AI is a little slimy. Oh, here's a big AI piece of news I heard on that interview with,   Adams because Adams is heavily into that now.   Yeah.   The day before this interview, whenever it was, the Chinese, and they made it public,   have figured out the big problem with AI is it doesn't have memory.   Like for all these searches you're doing on it, if you wanted to go back and say, hey. What about that found you found in that other search where it doesn't have memory to go back and find that?  

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Now it does. Well, it that depends.   If if you're not using   one, if you're not pay using a paid version, you're correct.   But if you have a a paid version, it keeps a long history of everything that that you've been   researching. I see. Well And I've I've asked questions, and I've I've created a new chat, a new discussion,   and   it picked up that what I was asking was related to a previous search, and it pulled it back up with its answer. Okay. Well, whatever the Chinese released,  

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what it does is it makes pixels and pictures   out of everything in the data.   And in those pictures is where the memory is stored.   I I look, I I have no real genius in this area. I was kind of what I just took away from what they said, but evidently, that's another big change that's coming. And even the nonpay ones will be able to do that. I'm not sure whether that's good or bad.  

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Yep.   But I tell you, it's cut my research down   significantly.   I was recently helping out somebody that   I I don't want to go into the details, but   it was an area of law that I just really don't have much   knowledge of.   And   I know court process. I know due process and know certain things no matter what it is, whether it be criminal or civil or whatever,   there are certain processes that are all the same across the board.   So I'm very strong in that area,   in civil procedures.   And I tell you within just   a matter of,   I don't know,   and and this case is pretty   pretty convoluted, but   within a matter of, like,   twenty, thirty minutes, I had a grasp of what what could be done.  

Whereas it might have taken me   two, three days to sort through all the information,   read everything I need to read   when I can ask AI. And here's where AI is very powerful.   It's it's how you ask the questions. Right? And so here's what I've done, and I've had great success with it.   First, you give it the scenario.   Here's the scenario.   This is going on, this happened,   what are my rights under   Oklahoma law?   Or what are my due process rights under Oklahoma law?   And then ask it to provide Oklahoma statutes   and case law.   Boom.  

It reads that scenario   and   it grasps what   you're telling it and then it goes looks for the information that you're asking. So you're giving it something   to   build off   of instead of just asking a simple question it doesn't know the context of what you're asking about   Uh-huh. And that is a huge   game changer.   Very huge.  

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Well, I know the attorney   his name escapes me. He's up from, Ohio.   He was saying he's just a a one man show up there.   Got heavily involved with all the COVID stuff. He's been a real a real warrior, and I just I can't believe his I his name escapes me. It's Rince. Not like Rince, but Rince.   Tom Rince. Have you seen him?   No. Never heard of him. Oh, he's a very good attorney. He's been on a lot of the shows for years now.   He was saying that he uses AI, and he said, I I can do the work of five attorneys with AI. Yes. Yes. Absolutely. If you know what you're doing and what to look for.  

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A good example was,   I was asking just out of kind of curiosity. I asked AI   about   opposing a motion for summary judgment.   And so   it gave me everything except for the really the crux of what you absolutely gotta have, and that is an opposing affidavit with supporting documents.   So I point that out and I said, well, what about   an affidavit and supporting documents?   Oh, yeah. That's, you know, and then it rips off everything that why that should be done.   So if you don't have   a grasp   of,   you know, basic legal procedures, you're not having you don't have any experience in that area,   you don't know whether it's telling you the truth or not.  

And,   recently, I was trying to help somebody in an emergency situation,   and it just irritated me to no end because   they don't know law, and they're asking chat g p t what to do. Oh, wow. And I'm having to overcome both of them.  

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No.  

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That's not a good scenario. Flying no. No. I was ticked off to you. I mean, I just threatened to walk away. Said if I gotta fight you and chat GPT,   I I don't need this headache.  

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No kidding.  

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So, you know, I was, I'm like, look,   you know, I've, I, my research and writing are directly responsible for winning four   state appeals   in four different states   and four different areas of law.   I know a little bit about what I'm doing.   And so it's just really, you know,   and it goes back to this too, Roger, because this person just ate up with   with the, patriot belonging.  

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And,  

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and I understand people get desperate. They got slammed in the court system,   bad attorney, just bad all the way around experience.   And then they start grasping for straws. And then they find they get on to the Patriot bandwagon   who still are telling everybody we're under Amelty law. The gold fringe  

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means I mean, that's Social Security. Get rid of that Social Security number.  

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Law and state of the law and water. Capital letters means your corporation  

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and your Social Security number. I forgot what it was.   So they thought that the tie to the federal government is your Social Security number. Yes. You know? And, it's just a shame. And,  

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did you see the absurdity of that? Breakthrough that habit.   You got people that say those sorts of things are not thinking things through.   Because before the GATT treaty in the nineties where they now automatically   assign SSNs at birth,   Before then you had to go in and and sign up and and enter into the contract.   And generally you didn't do it till you were going to,   have to get a job because that's when you needed it or they told you. So   you think you guys are gonna wait hold on. You think these guys are gonna wait around till you're 16, 17 years old for you to sign a contract to get you? Come on. Don't be ridiculous.   They're gonna get you at birth exactly the way they've got it.  



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Yep.  

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Yep. They always put the hook at the first. Now, Rick, you were trying to say something five minutes ago, and Mark and I are just yakking away. What do you got, buddy?  

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Well, I just wanted to give Mark a little info on that Diet versus,   Turner case. The header Please do. The title of   the header or the title of the case is the nonratification   of the fourteenth amendment,   and   they, used a previous case,   US Supreme Court case,   State of Texas versus White, about Texas secession.  

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Interesting.   I I'd tell you where the real information is is not in the decision.   The real gold nuggets Yeah. Are in the briefs   that were submitted for the court to reach its decision.  

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Yep.  

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So you're getting a summary of whatever was, you know, presented in this case. Briefs briefs. Yep. Right. But if you if you can go get the briefs, and I had an acquaintance out of Washington state   who they they,   worked on a, like, a fishing troller and be out out to   sea for a month or two   and they would make enough money because it was a real high paying job then they would take off and they would go to they go to the library congress   or or any federal court and they'd start pulling the briefs out of these cases. Now this is before,   you know, really before the Internet came into its own.  

And even now, you know, I probably couldn't go online and pull this case up to get its briefs. I'd probably have to,   you know go   to one of the repositories   of these documents or go to the actual court and ask them to pull it up.   But I learned from this individual   that   you know, when you read through the   decision   or the opinion actually is what it is,   if you go through the opinion,   everything. You, you know, you're you're not getting what both sides are arguing, what they're presenting, and you really need to know both sides.   And   so, you know, if you really want the good stuff, you're gonna you'll find cases in the briefs   that you'll never find in the the opinion of the court.  

Yeah. Probably true. And so that's where the real golden nuggets are.  

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Yep. Well, I'll be anxious for you to read this, de ete or whatever it is. And,   there's a couple of paragraphs in there that are just   way to read them on the air the other day was kind of striking. And I'm going,   why have we ever found this case before?   So, anyway, it's a goodie. And, that's something really important that happened fairly recently. It's a week or two ago. Right.   But, man, we're glad to have you back on the air with us, March. Anybody have a question for Mark?   Wanna say hello, welcome back, any of that? Paul does. Go ahead, Paul.  

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I do. So you're saying AI is is the reverse   of the the old,   words of wisdom?   If you teach AI to fish,   you research for a day. But if you just give AI a fish, you research for a lifetime.  

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Pretty much. Pretty much.  

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But I tell you, it's just Sounds sounds pretty it sounds pretty fishy. Sounds pretty fishy to me, Paul. Go ahead.  

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Well, like I said, it just it just cuts down on it. But you got to know what you're looking for, you know. Like, if I was was to look up something medical related,  

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I'd have probably no clue whether it was telling me the right thing or not. So Enoch. Well, you'd wanna go to don't go to yours. Go to Enoch for anything medical.  

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Right. Right. Mike Mike Adams'  

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AI platform. Yeah. It's got the biggest   medical database in the world   in its what do they call it? What learning stage?   Because he, with his Taiwan   wife,   got the entire database of Chinese medicine, and it's in there. Oh, wow.  

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Wow.  

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Well, I know, like, if if you're,   not a mechanic and you ask AI   how to do something,   you know, if you don't know any better, you might think that that's the right answer. So Mhmm. You know, you gotta you gotta verify the information whether, you know, cross cross reference it with other sources of information,   but   it can really help narrow things down real quickly.   Or I plan on taking this 155   page PDF, upload it   into, probably Grok   and or Claude   and just ask them to summarize it, see what they see what they come up with. You know? Okay. Cool.   Cool. Might might be able to whittle it down to where   because when people see a 155 page document, it's gonna be very unlikely in a reading. Oh, of course.  



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Well, there's just a couple of notes. I mean, there's some real sweet spots in there that they read on the air the other day.  

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Right. Now here's the thing I wanna point out.   That is that opinion came out of the Supreme Court of Utah.   Yes. So it is not   it is,   not controlling   law over   any of the other states or at the federal level. It's persuasion. This is why you gotta go   this is why you gotta go to the briefs because the briefs   will have the higher federal court's decisions   that supported their arguments.   Right?   Does that make sense? When you look at the higher issue of courts,   you go from your county court   to an appellate court to the supreme court, and that's your highest state court.   And then next is a   a federal circuit court of appeals,   and then from there, it's a step up to the US Supreme Court. Right. So for Utah, I would expect   I would expect   case precedent to either come out of the Supreme Court of Utah   or for its,   Court of Appeals decisions.  

So  

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Well, the way I see it Supreme Court.   That it's binding precedent in Utah.   In the other states, it can be brought up and it's not precedent that must be followed. It's persuasive.   It can be used in the other court's decisions,   but there's a difference between precedent and being persuasive.  

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You only use persuasive if you don't have any   decisions that are in your favor. You know, if the court of your state hasn't really addressed it, you can say, well, here's how this state ruled because of this x, y z. Right. Here's how this other state ruled in this area   because of a b c   and it should be applied to this case because the facts are similarly   situated.   So there you go.  

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Did somebody have something to add? I thought Rick or somebody was trying to say something in that, exchange. No. Just little just just little old me. Oh, it's Tom. It's a little Tommy. There you are.  

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Yeah.   Hey.   One of the one of the, important parts of using   AI is   in your command string when you first start to use it is to tell it to do not   hallucinate.  

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Yes.  

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And, because I mean, I've I've I've been kinda staying away from it.   Me too. What I had   read months ago because of a lawyer just blindly using it and writing a brief   and turned out the thing just created and made up all these cases.   Yeah. And the judge scolded them pretty bad.   But I spent   three almost three hours on the phone with a friend of mine on a on a Google Meet,   and he was, showing me how the the chat GPT,   Grok, and there's another program, and I'll find out what that was that he uses.   And he bounces well, you know, he'll do do,   a search   in one, and then he'll bounce it against the other. And then it'll come up with a difference, and it'll go back and forth. It's just kinda like having a debate with, you know, a person,   you know, physical person. But we were we were I was trying to help a friend down in Florida   who is,   we were trying to figure out, you know, all the   the Florida has its own   statutes   for   robocalling,   you know, the the TCPA.  

And the thing the the statutes   legislature is in an upheaval   because they've changed it so much over the last two years.   And we basically went in and, he showed me how he,   would query the program.   He's got a paid subscription. He has,   tokens, as he called them. You get so many tokens a month for   $20 or something like that. And   we basically had   the ChatGPT   say,   how can we merge the   most current   state of Florida   TCPA   statutes into our federal complaint.   And after about he showed me step by step how he did it. I'm I'm pretty impressed with it. I'm, I'm probably gonna do a little more digging into it. But, I mean, not that I do a lot of that stuff, but, you know, it's mainly just   federal suits. But   put pulling in the state statutes into it just gives it more weight and definitely,   you know,   if he pushes us through, you'll get a lot more money out of the violations of adding   Florida to the mix.  

But it is it's it's,   you know, I've been kinda poo poo in the whole,   AI thing because I'm sick of listening to all these things that people are putting out on the Internet. You don't know if it's real or not, and I'm just just sick of no you know, not knowing you know, it should have a big stamp on it. It says this is a created by AI.   You know? I forget you got a catch. You know? You got little catch and stuff acting like they're Trump and crap, but   it's, you know, it's it's deceiving,   you know, really, really deceiving.  

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I forget who I was watching. Yeah. Just a second. Paul is saying that something they were watching this beautiful woman,   and all of a sudden, poof,   I'm AI. I'm AI. I'm gone. And they couldn't tell the difference. Paul?  

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Yeah. There's there's an AI   actress   that,   the the flesh and blood of actress actors and actresses in Hollywood are absolutely blowing a gasket over, but Well, there's YouTube.  

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They're they're about to release an entire full length   motion picture, doesn't it? Totally by AI. Go ahead. Yeah. Well, YouTube,  

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it does   have,   if you look,   like, particularly with YouTube Shorts,   it'll say artificial content.   And just look for it on the screen. If it's AI generated, it says artificial content.   I don't know if that's, if that's a rule or if that's just somebody that uses AI to generate videos deciding, well, let's tell people this isn't really real. There's   there really wasn't a Bengal tiger that,   came up on   somebody's front porch with a thorn in his paw and became his lifelong friend because the guy came out on the porch and pulled out the thorn.   No.  



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Yep. You know?  

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Rodner. They had a thing I saw just a second.   I think a thing I saw from Argentina   when I was down there.   I mean, soccer is huge down there, of course.   And, one of the teams had gotten   I'm sure they were using some sort of AI.   And they if you had glasses on, they could project their logo, big tiger, and it walked around the whole top of the stadium   and then jumped down in the middle of the field. And it was incredible, man. It's all AI done.   I haven't seen anything like that since. It was very impressive. Who wanted, was it Gregory or or Schenk? Hey, Roger. Roger. Roger. Real quick. One more. Just send me that send me that new Sheckman   video you said was with what? Mike Adams, you said? Or It's over on it's over on Bryteon. Boy, it's a hell of a interview.  

Yeah. I'll try to remember to do that, Tom. If I forget, it's over on Briton.   So I'm sure it's easy to find. On Briton?  

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Yeah. On Briton. You know what it I mean, was it Mike Adams, you said? Yeah. Mike Adams and Shekman. Yeah.  

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And boy, they go into some really deep stuff. Okay?  

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Okay.  

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Cool.   Alright. Yeah. You'll like it. It's better than the other ones. The just surface interviews.   This was very in-depth, and both guys know what they're talking about, and you probably won't. I'll warn you in advance.   But, anyway, that's a good thing to go look at if you're into that. Sketch. And who else? Sketch? Sketch, baby. Where are you, babe? Yes.  

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I think,   the Korean parliament,   nom created an AI member.   So it's a it's a woman,   and she's an a member of parliament, but she is a all AI.   So that's that's pretty interesting that,   so   and they've   nominated   a AI   to the parliament,   and it's   in the image of a woman,   and she does speak. And   I did wanna mention,   I don't Mark said he's stepping away, but maybe he's still listening,   that it was William  

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who brought Yes.  

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The Yeah. The case forward.   And he also I think he was reading from,   senator   is it Derek or Barrett or I forget the senator from Louisiana.  

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Oh, Rarer. What he read. Rarer.   Rarer is was a senator,   a house. He wasn't a senator's house member.   I think he was up from around Shreveport. I think it's district or Shreveport. I might be wrong on that. But, obviously, he was a John Birch guy, and he put a whole thing in the federal register I mean, in the, congressional record about the fourteenth amendment not being, legitimate.  

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Yep. Alright. I yield. Thank you. Alright. Sketch.  

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K. Who else? Who else? We got no. I have any new people now. Are you warmed up? We don't bite. We wanna hear what you gotta ask or say. We'd love to meet you, so please come forward if you're out there.   And we don't have an Austin, and we don't have a Daniel from Alaska. He's probably out deep sea fishing or something.   Nobody?   Alright. Well, don't say I didn't ask.   Don't you dare say I didn't ask.   So, oh, excellent. Okay. Well,   what else where else can we go this morning? Mark had to step away probably go check on mom and dad. There's Joe. Hey, Joe.  

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Just briefly,   istudy.com.   You're That is a clip. Movie.   You can   hey. I'm close to changing towers.   Okay. Am I there now?  

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Yeah. You're better now. You were clipping a minute ago when you gave that .com. Go ahead, Joe.  

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It's called aninconvenientsteady.com   Oh, by Dell   Victory.   And you can watch it today for free.   You can watch it today for free, and it's about,   the the   study I can't say the guy's name, but he worked for Henry Ford   health. Henry Ford   health.   And Big Tree challenged him to do a study   on   the effects of the jab.   And   he agreed to   do the study   and   Big Tree said there's one caveat.   You must publish whatever the findings are, good, bad, or indifferent.   And,   anyway, he did.   And Big Tree interviewed him   with a hidden camera and hidden mic,   and,   the   results are astounding. So   I throw that out to anyone that wants to view listen to it or view it today, and it's for free today.  

I don't know how many other days it will be, but it's an inconvenient.com.  

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Joe, you were the one that sent me this, Mike Adams and Shekman interview. Where do you find that on Brighteon?  

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Oh. That's   and that that came straight off of Brighteon's   list of my, videos.   Okay. Is it right there on the front page when you access it? Tom was Well, it was. It's it's probably moved down the list quite a ways by now because he publishes   stuff   every few hours daily.   I I mean, I can have you just  

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He's incredible.   Even   I've I'll try.   I'll try and forward it to you if I can find Joe's email there, Tom. It's worth listening to.   I'll I'll try to send it back to you because I have it. Well, I've got it. I I just closed the tab after I watched it. I have to go through the email and find the link. But, anyway, we'll get it to you, Tommy.  

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Or he can he can email it directly to me   at [email protected].   [email protected].  

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Yeah. We'll get it to you. I'll try to do that here shortly.  

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Okay. Thank you.  

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Yes, sir. Uh-huh.  

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Alright. Thanks for that,   Joe.   So, who else has got something they'd like to   on, bring forward, discuss, any of that? There's somebody right there. I think it's Larry.  

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No, Roger. This is Brian in Pennsylvania.  

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Hey, Brian. You sound like Larry a little bit. How are you doing?  

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Good. Good. Hey. I, had an IRS question.   With my w four, I was able to type exempt   in   line four, and they weren't withholding taxes.   Yeah. But the IRS   just sent me a letter   stating that they were going to   basically force my   employer to start withholding   taxes.  

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If they do that,   I don't know how you can fight it. You can try. But you if they do that, you can just apply next year with a ten forty n r, and you'll get them all back.  

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Okay.  

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Alright. I was noticing one on my employer's website on filling out a w four.   They have the option of filling it out as a nonresident   alien.   Yeah. And from what I can see on the form, it's the same w four   except for on line four where I was typing exempt before, it puts in nonresident   alien instead of exempt.  

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Is that Oh, so check it.   No.   But y'all bring that to their attention or maybe the IRS's attention. This is what my employer says and maybe,   redress what they have said with that as a example and see how how far it gets you. It's your choice. They ought to recognize that. Okay?  

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Okay. Thank you.  

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Alright. I I've just man, I've been away from IRS for so long now. The guy that knows   a lot more about is Mark, and I think he's off taking a pair of his parents at the moment. But should he come back, you can come back and ask him that. That's what I do is I take my employer's instructions   and   and and and highlight what's there and send it to the IRS and see what they say.   Okay. Alright. Thank you. Alright. Okay. You're welcome, Brian.   Who else has got something this morning?  

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Roger. Bruce.   Bruce.  

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Hey, man.  

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Why can't he just, put an affidavit in there?  

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Well, he could do that too. I mean, he could do that too.   I'm assuming with what he said. He didn't tell us very much, Bruce. I'm assuming from what Brian said, he's done everything correctly to this point. And the IRS has gotten back in touch with him and said, we're gonna make your employer   start withholding.   Now we heard that same thing a few months back   from somebody, like, with FedEx or something in a group of his people in in his company that worked with him, and they were gonna start doing this. They told him the same thing. We haven't heard back from him.  

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Okay. Just   thought about that.  

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Well, I'm sure he's given him an affidavit already. That'd be my that's a presumption on my part. Okay?   Brian, have you given him all the you did you do all the notification stuff?  

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The state With the IRS. AG,  

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wait, IRS, all of it.  

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Yeah. I I've I've put everybody   I've put everybody on notice,   international since '2.  

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Okay. Oh, since when? '22?  

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Yes.  

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Oh, good.   Okay. Well, I don't know what the big problem is, but they shouldn't be doing that. And I'm I'd at least gently fight them. If you can't win or your employer won't work with you on this,   just let them take it and get it back on a $10.40 an hour next year.  

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Yeah. The problem with my employer is, you know, a big corporation and and trying to Wow. Find somebody that they talk to besides computer  

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form such as Now do you have is your tax thing on, on one of those computer databases where you can go in and check exempt?   I'm exempt from federal taxation.  

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Did you do that? That's that's what I did.   That's what I've been doing.   The IRS has been sending me different letters, sending me a failure to file, and and I, you know, I keep sending   copies of my affidavit   and letters stating I don't owe any of the eight seventy one ARV taxes, and I'm not trying to avoid paying any taxes I owe, but I'm a, you know, nonresident   alien according to your Uh-huh. Nomenclature.  

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And And they're still sending  

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Man, I'd I'd Brian, I don't know what to tell you. I think they don't know what else to do, quite frankly.  

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Question.  

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Yes.  

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Is this just the new the newest letter you've got?  

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Yes. I just got this one yesterday.  

[01:04:38] Unknown:

Okay.   Well,   I do believe that this letter they sent you would constitute a confirmatory   writing. They're telling you what they propose to do, and if you don't rebut that, then you're giving them consent to do it.   What you need to do is take copies of everything you've sent them before,   a rebuttal.   Do that. And, also,   send them a fee schedule because you consider   their continued harassments,   to be,   absolutely unnecessary,   and you're gonna start charging them $10.20,   $25,000   for   answering their frivolous   communications.  

[01:05:27] Unknown:

Alright. Be a bad idea, Brian. There's Mark. Good. I'm glad you're back.   We got another situation here, Mark. We had it happen a while back. I don't remember if you were with us or not.   We've got some FedEx guys in the Midwest.   There are several of them in their little unit there where they work, and the IRS was coming back and saying we're gonna take you gotta take withholding out on these guys.   And   I don't think we've ever heard from them again. I don't quite remember what we told them to do,   but Brian here in Pennsylvania is in the same situation. IRS is writing him after continued   affidavits and stuff and saying you're we're gonna start taking out withholding. You got any,   any suggestions for Brian?  



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Tried using a have you tried using a form   one five one zero three?   It's called a form ten forty return delinquency.   And if you scroll down,   it says, if you don't think you have to file a tax for blank year,   Explain why you don't think you're required to file a tax or blank year. Note these answers to these questions   apply to the blank   tax year only.   And it goes through and talks about filing status   and then the,   which there none of those filing statuses,   fit our situation.   But then it says the following applied to me.   And it says I was 65 or older. I was blind. My spouse was was 65 or older, my spouse is blind, or   I'm not a US citizen or a permanent resident.  



[01:07:06] Unknown:

Boom. Boom. Boom. You  

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check that box.   My total income,   I put $0   I put a dollar sign zero point zero zero.   The reason for not filing,   I am a non resident alien and I did not receive any income   from any US source for tax year 2023.   See attached letter and affidavit of citizenship.   Sign it, date it, mail it off.  

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I told you he's better at it than I was, Brian.  

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Yeah. Mark, you've helped me before with, my local tax Okay. The Houston collections group, and I really appreciate it. Success on that? Do we have any success? I have not I have not heard back from them at all. Now now it's just the IRS keeps sending me different letters. Okay. I I've slept since then, Brian. What did we do on your local   tax? Your state tax? Basically, sent them a letter with a copy of the affidavit, you know,   stating showing them the affidavit is on file, the letter that was sent to the IRS, Right. Putting them notice, and I have not heard a word back from them at all. Right.  

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Right. Now   if the IRS approaches your employer   and says mandatory   withholding,   you know there's not much you can do but try to fight that with the IRS.  

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Yeah.  

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And if you if you cannot win that battle for whatever reason,   one of the biggest things are I didn't owe a tax last year   and I don't expect to owe a tax this year, so therefore by your own rules, I'm exempt from federal withholding.   That's plain and simple.   So at that point, you could probably start an administrative appeal.  

[01:08:55] Unknown:

But you gotta That that was my question.   If they continue, I'd say, look. What's the next step in my administrative appeal? There you go. But you may be able to take care of it. I'd forgotten about this form, and we   just had something like that fairly recently a lot of people were getting. And it turned out the, something from IRS. It turned out that   they were the one of them is an insurance agent. And the the insurance agent and the insurance company,   they're gonna file a ten ninety nine or something on you. Okay?   And you've got to file a return to match what the company submitted for you. Isn't that right? And they I think that's why these folks were getting those letters, and hopefully, that will straighten them out. I believe we use that same form, one five one zero three.  



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I don't know.  

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Question. Anyway, that that happened while you were filing.  

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Okay. Well, this is just   a reason why you're not filing because that's what they're saying. You haven't filed. You haven't filed. And no matter what administrative letter you send them   and and copy of your affidavit, they just keep coming back and saying you gotta file.   So, I think   oh, I don't know if it was Brian who said it or Roger said it. Whoever was on before here,   before this moment,   talked about sending in I think it was Brian, sending in a letter saying it's not my intent to avoid paying a tax. Correct. Correct. I want to stress how important that is   because if you don't have the intent,   then nothing that you do can be considered criminal.  

The other thing too is they can threaten you with civil penalties and fines, but that doesn't apply to us.   That's only to US citizen and resident aliens.   So don't Question. I mean, don't sweat it. You know what I'm saying? You you don't this is not the end of the world to be getting letters from the IRS when you know what to do   and how to word your responses. It's just a matter of, you know, who's gonna give up first, them or me?   And and in a worst case scenario   in the worst case scenario,   you could fill out a a ten forty NR and and send it in and get, you know,   apply to get all your money back. Or if you didn't have anything withholding, put down no withholding and you don't owe any taxes. And it's just a it's what a two page form that you're sending in.  

So,   you know, don't sweat it.  

[01:11:28] Unknown:

Yeah. Don't get don't get it beside yourself on it. Paul, what you got? You got something to insert there.  

[01:11:34] Unknown:

Well, I've got a I've got a question. And,   what about somebody   that,   did pay taxes before   and sent,   their state tax authority   a notice, copy of their affidavit and notice that they are no longer   required to pay taxes. And   then the state   refused to recognize   what they had sent them   and   came back and said, well,   we don't believe you. You're going to pay taxes anyway,   and,   we've assessed you with,   x number of dollars,   and   we're proceeding.   How would you,   first of all,   how would you, answer that?  

[01:12:28] Unknown:

Well, when you're dealing with state, it's really another matter because Yeah. Like, here in Oklahoma, we had,   one of Rogers listeners   who filed for 2023   last year.   And, you know, you're you're filing a year, you know, you're filing in April for the previous year. So   it was 2023.   And they got their federal tax back,   but the state bought and said, you know,   they wouldn't say anything. He sent in his return, and they wouldn't say anything.   At first, they said they received it, then they showed online that they didn't receive it. So finally, he went up there this past spring to find out what's going on,   and they accused him of being a sovereign citizen. And This line is now on hold.  



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Really?  

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Alright. What the hell happened?  

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Somebody put us on hold.   You and me? There anybody else out there?  

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I no. Hang on.  

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Who are you? Messing with buttons.  

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How in the hell did that happen?  

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Somebody messing with buttons?  

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They put   my line on hold.   And how in the hell   Okay.  

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Who could have done that?  

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Well, probably one of the, one of the cohosts hit the wrong button or something.   Let's let's try moving  

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to another You have joined sub conference number one.  

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And   Here. Here. Here. It it unholded it.   We got folks there.  

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Joined the main conference. Hello.  

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Somebody put that no. And no. And we're still we're still on hold.   Switch presenter back to me.   Okay.   What I'm going to do   is   Is it cycled my mute?   No.   Okay.   Alright. I'm going to, drop the conference,   and then I'm gonna go back in.   And I'm going to   figure out who the hell did that.   Thank you for joining us for the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales.   Press 6 to mute or unmute. And if your line is locked, dial 941 to raise your hand. Welcome.  

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There are 55   participants in the conference.  

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Straighten out. No one will want those. If if you get a Sorry. We've been gone.  

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Somebody muted somebody muted me and put me on hold, and,   I expected that nobody will ever do that again.  

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That's great.  

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Nobody will ever do that again.   Anyways,   basically   what happened was,   this person sent their notices to the state,   and the state   answered back, volleyed back, and said,   there's,   you're a citizen,   you know, and and,   you can't unilaterally   do this, yada yada yada.   And what they did was they answered back to them in plenty of time for, like, the notice period.   They answered back to them, including   the state's own   tax rules stating that if you don't owe a federal tax,   that you don't owe a state tax. They actually sent that back to them, and then they waited, like, six months or something like that, and the person thought that everything was handled, you know, no news is good news, and then they just sent a letter saying, well, we've we've, looked at your case and we've examined your presentments   and we've determined   we've denied your request and have assessed you,   income of $13,000   which you will be,   responsible for paying.  

And that, I think, is where it is now. But they they need to answer   that denial and assessment   going forward.   And I'm thinking they're just trying to wear them down.  

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Yep.  

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Yeah. So But, again, it's different when you're dealing with the state. You don't have that   you know, it's all gonna come down to whether they have statutes. Like, Oklahoma has statutes   that requires   the Oklahoma tax commission to base   the the state income tax off your federal income tax,   your adjusted gross income.   In our instance, if you're not receiving any money from a a government agency directly,   then you don't owe a tax.   And so therefore, your your adjusted gross income is zero.   And you can hold their feet to the fire with that that statute if your state has the equivalent   of forcing your state tax department to go buy your federal adjusted gross income.  



[01:18:44] Unknown:

Well, that's exactly what it says in the state statutes   where the person lives. Okay.   It says that just like Oklahoma.   But Yep. The state tax authority is refusing to accept that. They don't want The wrong legislation. Here's  

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here's what I tell everybody,   and you can go online. You gotta get signed up,   but you can get signed up with the with the   identity thing.   I think it's ID.   Me, ID. Me,   and you can go into your IRS file and you can download a copy of your tax transcript for whatever year you want that's online.   So that tax transcript, and this is what we did here in Oklahoma,   it showed zero.   Zero tax owed. Zero adjusted gross income.  

[01:19:37] Unknown:

Yeah. Argue with that.  

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You showing a check or a refund is not not evidence,   you know. And and that copy of the tax transcript from the feds   is what they call self authenticating   evidence.  

[01:19:55] Unknown:

So Yeah. Individual master file.   No. It has nothing to do with the individual master file. It's the tax I thought that's where they can I thought that's where all that data was on because that's I had dozens of them?  

[01:20:08] Unknown:

Not to my knowledge. No. It's a separate thing called a tax transcript.   Your intermediate individual master file is all the coding   on on what they use to to assess you attacks.   So but anyway, I would just suggest that you look into that.   If you don't want to do an ID. Me, you can write to the IRS and ask for a copy   under the Privacy Act, not not freedom of information. This is personal to you, It has your social security number on it so it's the Privacy Act.   You send in a Privacy Act request to the IRS   asking for the transcript for just that tax year   that that you got the federal refund for. I shouldn't say federal refund but where you showed you had zero income.  

And then now you've got a piece of evidence you could put in front of the state taxing authority and say, Look, I had zero gross income.   Now this, I will admit this, we're in a bit   of a, I want to put it,   it's kind of a novel situation   because   Oklahoma   says if you're a resident of Oklahoma,   then any income that you make in the world is taxable.   But on the other side of that coin, they say   it's based off your federal income tax. So   it's   that that's quite fascinating to me. And so I don't know if there'll be any kind of,   you know, case decision at some point that's gonna decide this matter or not because   the federal tax transcript will show that you're a nonresident alien.  

And I don't think the states quite grasp   that how can you be a resident of Oklahoma   and a nonresident   to The United States.   Yeah. So   it's it's rather it's it's a novel novel thing that's happening right now, and you're just gonna have to do your best to try to, you know,   wade your way through the swamp and and get out on the other side.  

[01:22:19] Unknown:

Glad you made it back today, Mark. Thanks.  

[01:22:22] Unknown:

You're welcome.  

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The important thing is to not allow their presumption to stand and always answer what they send you. Always.  

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Yes. Yeah. Yes.  

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Yep. Listen. But And if they won't budge But you don't have if they  

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if they don't budge, what's my next step in my administrative appeal?  

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There you go.  

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Well, I believe this person is self employed, so there's really nobody for the for the state to petition to   take, take taxes out, out of this person. That would be a Right. Like a a civil,   a civil action   and   just suing them for that $13,000   in taxes plus fees and all this happy hula.  

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Right.  

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So Right. Anyway, it is a paper game.   Just remember that. Don't sweat it. If you're if you're self employed and you're not having any taxes withheld, it's a different,   you know, it's a different animal at that point. Yeah.  

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I remember I was gonna ask Brian.   Brian, any of those letters they send in you, are they signed or are they computer generated?   Brian? Yeah. The last  

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yeah. I'm here. The last two were signed. I got that I think it's CP   59 or whatever.   The one saying that I didn't file last year, it was signed. Uh-huh.   And this one letter I just got about threatening to send my employer the lock in letter, it was signed also.  

[01:23:54] Unknown:

Okay. If you wanna get some of those instructions   that were given on that form and stuff, you know that we've got AI on the archives now. Right? You understand that, Brian? That you can go and it'll generate you a whole transcript of what was said so you don't have to try and do it from memory?  

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Oh, okay.   Like you said, the Cashbox is  

[01:24:16] Unknown:

Well, no. No. Not Cashbox. Paul, tell him how to do that.  

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Just go to the matrixdocs.com   and then click on the line that says archives, click here,   or radio range archives. And just click on the word here, and then pick this show, and there will be a tab for the transcript.   You go   go down the list to the title of this show,   which will be dated,   and then you click on the title, and then it'll open up the dedicated page for this show. And then on there will be a transcript tab. There will also be a chapters tab. You could click on that first, and that will,   that'll probably   tell you exactly where in the program we started talking to you and about these issues.  



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Okay. That's very helpful.  

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Yeah. It should be real helpful.  

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And that that form,   fifteen one zero three, should I in addition to sending that to IRS, should I include that with the correspondence   with   when I whenever I read back the walk in letter? Yeah. I always put I always put a cover letter,  

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the form, and a copy of your affidavit in there.  

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No. But what I was saying, I I'm gonna send them all of that   just for the fifteen one zero three. But, also, when I respond to this letter, should I include all that again?  

[01:25:41] Unknown:

Sure. Why not? Send the fifth. I'm like Cover them with paper. Something like Cover me with paper. No reason not to.  

[01:25:47] Unknown:

Yeah. So two pages.   Cover letter and add add a copy of your affidavit.  

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Yep. And then as as far as my employer, since I'm just dealing with a a computer here,   should I   go with the nonresident alien on the w four or No. Continue with the event? No.  

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What are you doing that? Through a computer like ADP or was it ADP? Yeah. You  

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you  

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you All type pro or somebody in the Zoom meetings.  

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What some people have done, if I'm not mistaken, and if you're in out here and you went through ADP and you successfully   went exempt,   what they did is they didn't claim nonresident alien.   They claimed a US citizen.   And then after they went exempt, I think they went back and and did a,   alien. I wouldn't do an alien   just because they don't have an option for a national.   And if they don't have an option for a national,   and I'm not quote a nonresident   alien,   I'm just gonna choose US citizen and and move on down the road.  

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Okay.  

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And now you do what you wanna do. I'm not trying to tell you what to do, but that's   that's my suggestion to consider. Now I wanna say,   and I can't,   I think it was, well, I'm not going to say because I don't know if I got their permission or not. But there was another member that   that had to go through ADP.   If I remember right, they went exempt as a US citizen.   And once that was accepted, I think they went back and marked themselves down as a nonresident.   But don't hold me to that. I'd have to double check with them and make sure that's how they did it.  

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Yeah. That's that's the only option that that their website's giving me. Yeah. Because if you select your  

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if you select your nonresident alien, they're automatically gonna withhold 30%.   So I see. Yeah. Yeah. Now a worst case scenario,   you could,   declare nine dependents   and,   and then at the end of the year, just ask for a refund or whatever they withheld, which won't be much.  

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But then aren't you lying on a government form if you don't have nine dependents or not?  

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Well,   yeah, technically   you would be, I guess.  

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But I've never heard of them coming after anybody for that, but I know we used to have for years. I just had that question.  

[01:28:22] Unknown:

But, Roger,   are do they have a right to penalize a nonresident alien?   See, that's where we get back into we're all used to that.   And and if you're showing up   as a national,   which is seen as a non   resident alien or treated as a non resident alien, they don't have the authority   to be   penalizing you or fining you.  

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Yeah. Well, they can't say what you are. That's for sure.  

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Yeah. Exactly. Exactly.  

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Okay.   Well, Brian, good luck.   I'm sure you'll find,   some satisfaction. I don't know what you have to go through to get there, but I think you're on real solid ground.  

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Well, thank you very much. I I I don't get a chance to call in because of my work schedule. Actually, I'm on my lunch break right now. I'm gonna have to get back to it, but I really appreciate   what all you guys do. I  

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I listen on the archives all the time, and and I'm just so so thankful to you guys. Really appreciate you. Well, well, we love you, man. Go back and do a good job. Thanks for dropping in. Myrca's got something for you, I think. Myrca?  

[01:29:30] Unknown:

Good morning. Hey, Brian.   Just wanted to remind you or the new students or whoever's,   sending out notices   and replying to these,   bluff letters or issues,   make sure that you do   send them a reminder   of the notice that you already sent to IRS   and may, send them a copy of what you sent already and said tell them it's effective   date of when you sent it   so that they know. And,   do you cc,   you know, the state   so that they stop bothering you?  

[01:30:08] Unknown:

Okay. Thank you, Marco.   Okay. Anybody else got something for Brian before he goes back to work?   Hey, Brian. Go get him, man.  

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Working outside. Thank you.  

[01:30:21] Unknown:

Alright, buddy. You're welcome. Love you. Good luck.  

[01:30:27] Unknown:

Okay. By the way, Roger, you can find   you can find that form 10513   on the nationalstatus.com   website.   Okay. Nationalstats.com.   And,   I believe it's over there.   Yeah. Yeah. It's there. They have a sample form of it you can download.  

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Alright. Another good resource. Mark has got our Telegram group. Dave and Kaye have Yep. Nationalre   nationalstatus.info.   Somebody said they were having a hard time   accessing it on the .com,   Mark, get just in the last day or two, but evidently,   it's .com or .info both.  

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Well, the.com,   which is everybody defaults to .com. Right?   It's just got a habit.com   this, .com that. Right? But if you'll do nationalstatus.com,   it will forward that over to the .info   website.   Oh, okay. So it's a forward position. Gotcha. Forwarding. Yeah. It redirects you to the the .info website.   Alright. And,   so here's the thing. If if hold on. If you go to the national status website, nationalstatus.com   or .info,   if you scroll down to where you see the   magnifying glass and it says search national status info,   I believe if you just type 15103,   I'm doing it right now,   and let's see what it finds. Hit Search  

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and go away Liberty.  

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Well, it's still looking.  

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It's gonna make a liar out of you.  

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Or well, I'm I'm I'm trying it live right here, folks. First time.   So   reconnecting. There it is. Yeah.  

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Yeah. Okay. So you got it. I found it. Okay.  

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For some reason, there there are a little AI chat thing. I can't get it off the   screen. It comes up and says, I'm on you know, hi. I'm Liberty.   And it doesn't want to go away. That's a problem.   Okay. But anyway,   go out there, search box form 15103,   and it will pull it up for you.   BNBN.  

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Ah, there the clouds are coming now.   Roger. Are you okay? I think we got everybody, but but Larry, you're taking care of. Yes, Larry?  

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Yeah. I was just gonna ask, Mark, how did you come across the form 15103?   And   I don't know if Dave is is listening   who oversees   nationalstatus.info,   but   I was wondering if there's any feedback,   like success stories from students that, you know, they they they received a correspondence from the IRS.   So they they have, filled out the form one five one zero three,   and then maybe they posted some feedback that, yeah, they had success and this is what happened. Is there any kind of stories like that? And how did you find that that form? Thank you. Generally, I'm gonna interrupt here for a sec. Generally, the success is they don't hear from them again.  

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So there isn't any, Hey, you, you, you, you, you, you found out you, how we tricked you or whatever.   Generally, they just stayed, go silent. Go ahead, Mark.  

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I don't recall how I come across this. I think I was doing some searching.   Oh, I think I remember what it was.   In the if if you look at the letter that they send you about file not having filed,   it says right in there, you can send in a form 15103.   It says you can turn in a completed form 15103.   I bet you a dollar to a donut that if you look through, you know, your most recent letters from them, you'll find that it says   about using a form one five one zero three. That's how I found it. We're just reading the documents,   reading the letter from the IRS carefully.  



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Yeah. Hey. Hey, Mark.  

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Yeah. Is that Is that William?  

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Is that William? It's it's David.  

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David. Oh, hey, Dave.  

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How y'all doing? I'm trying to listen and ride my tractor at the same time.  

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But, Farm living is the life for me.  

[01:34:55] Unknown:

Yeah.   I look I look like, mister, whatever his name was on that, Green Acres. But, anyway,   yeah, that that form I actually just what I did, to Larry's question, I   I sent that form in prerequisite   to even getting a CP59.   And that was along with everything I did after   for 2023.   So that was the first year   that I got   back, well, the only year that I got back my full withholding   and that was the year I sent   $10.40 NR along with my W-two   and they had withheld like the full year withholding and I got that all back. But at that same time, I found out about that form   and there's actually a sample of exactly what I sent in on the website. It's under the FAQs,   under the IRS section of the remedy area of the website.  

And the sample   there has the exact what I exactly put on that form.   Yes. And there's also a link   to download the formal blank form from the IRS.   But   regarding the W-four,   if I can jump over to that, if I may.   Sure.   With my yeah, yeah. Just to share with you something's going on With my job, if you all I don't get on too much, but   I've been jumping from contracting company to I've been with three now within the last like year   working for the federal government, not working directly for the federal government, but for a contractor. So I'm still working for a private   company as a w-two employee.  

And   just recently,   the company I was working for was   acquired   by the company, the other company and they so they moved my file,   my payroll file over to   the new company   even though they are acquiring all that supposedly.   So I submitted all over again to the new company all my documents, meaning   the WAPEN.   I actually had a and these were copies I had with the previous company. Well, lo and behold, they started withholding again.   And Oh.   Yeah. Yeah. So I had   to throw it in their face at, hey. Remember at onboarding, I I reminded you and sent you all this stuff.   And they went silent on me, right, and continued to withhold, hey, we're looking at it, legal is looking at it.  

So they didn't give me a straight up answer.   And so   in the meantime, I got moved to another company now, and   I kind of learned from the last endeavor and but anyway they withheld about four months of   federal tax   and I'm just going to submit a $10.40 NR   after the end of the year and get that back. But now this new company,   I learned and I addressed it directly with the W-four and I   used just the term exempt   and I had to go back and forth with them because they weren't familiar with that quite either.   They most of the time everybody put zeros everywhere or one or two for exemptions   and in fact their online remote their online form wouldn't even accept the word exempt.  

So I had to Really? Filled out manually. So just yeah.   So they they were just kinda like, what the heck is this? And so but they came back finally and said okay, yeah, you can fill this out and just email it to us and we'll upload it to your file. So I used exempt   rather than telling them I was a nonresident alien   And using the word exempt,   as Mark had mentioned earlier,   you have to not have had taxes for the year before, not to expect taxes for the current year.   So that applied to me.   So that's what I did. I didn't wanna throw them a curve, tell them I was a nonresident alien   when they didn't really need to know that. All they need to know is they don't don't withhold any don't hold any taxes.  

So they   acknowledged it, they put it by file and I'm supposed to get my first check from this new company now.   The life of a subcontractor, so to speak,   can be crazy. But it's a chance to learn about this stuff and to address it with these folks   and knowing that they don't know what the heck they're looking at. You're trying to having a chance to educate them, believe it or not.  

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Hey, Dave. Sorry.   Yeah. Dave, don't forget to look for a state form   to also withhold your state income tax.   Yeah. And thank you for that because they Your w your w four is your w four is solely   for federal tax.   And so almost every state has its own exempt form. Like in Oklahoma, they call it a   I think it's an okay   w dash four. California has its own little acronym for the w four. So you gotta look for your state and see what form they have to not withhold any state income tax.  

[01:40:20] Unknown:

Yeah. And, you know, these large companies contract, they,   their payroll departments are pretty thorough from the standpoint of what they think they need. So they did ask me to fill out the Alabama, what they call an A-four,   right?   And   I also put exempt and I actually added that text,   that verbiage to the form, good or bad and they accepted it.   And using the same   rationale   that I didn't have to pay taxes the year before   in this coming current year.   And I was a little nervous because I had liked it. I noticed the State of Alabama that the revenue   Department of Revenue in the State of Alabama, did I notice them   as I started thinking and I look back and they were one of the agencies I did notice. So   all my information,   my affidavit, all that stuff is already in their hands. So I'm not worried about that.  

But I did fill it out and put it in.  

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Yeah. What what was that form called for the Alabama exemption?  

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A four. Yep. It's an a four. Yep. It's a as in apple.  

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A as in apple, the w four?  

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No. No. Just a  

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four. Okay.   That's just for the listeners. Yep.   The other thing too   is if somebody questions you about being exempt, just say, I got a good bookkeeper.   I got a really good I got   a really good tax guy. I need to rob your sales.   Right.  

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You know, I You don't need  

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most people want to educate everybody and the last person you want to be disclosing what you're doing is an employer.   Right? And maybe even your fellow employees. They don't need to know.  

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But,  

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you know, if they question you about being exempt, just say, I got   a great tax guy.   Let it go at that.   And then you could also say, Well, you know, that's kind of private information, but I've got a great tax guy.   Good answer.   Better, and and you sidestep any   awkwardness of trying to explain why you don't owe a better income tax. Great. Good, Bruce.  

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Okay, Bruce. Just   go ahead, Bruce.  

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It sounds like the lawyer is coming out of you.  

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The lawyer?   Well, it's true.  

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Okay. It's true. He's got a great tax guy, and it's private information.  

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Well, the problem is you're gonna have other the other option is to try and explain this to them.   And, folks, these people ain't gonna understand all this stuff. You can't do it in sound bites.   Most of those people are never gonna be attentive enough to sit down and let you tell them the whole story.   That's my experience.  

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Right.   And and here's the other thing too.   Why am I paying taxes and you don't have to?   Let's see. It gets real quick. I got  

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a better real quick. Yeah.  

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Yeah.   But, you know what I'm saying is is if they think you're finagling some way to get out of taxes,   they're gonna be your worst enemy.   But if you just keep it real light,   you know, just keep it real light and,   you know,   I've got a I've got a great tax guy. Well, you know, that's my taxes are are private, but I'll just say I got a good tax guy and let it go.   When you say it's private information,   that usually shuts most people up.  

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How about that it is a voluntary system, and I found how to un volunteer?  

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I would not say that. I wouldn't.  

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People other people, they they take a lot of umbrage on this.   You know what I'm going through here now, you got a little taste of that. I sent you those pictures, Mark,   of the local gringos   because of an 88 year old guy that's a dispensationalist.   When I was in Argentina,   it basically the same thing. It was an old bird colonel,   army bird colonel, and we were going from barbecue to barbecue,   there from a lunch to a dinner.   And in the drive, I mentioned something came up about taxes, and   that was in 02/2007.   I hadn't paid taxes in seventeen years. I said something like, well, I hadn't paid taxes and whatever.  

And this old bird colonel,   when we stopped the car to get out, it's a little car. You know, they got little cars down here. And, to get out and give him a hand to get out of the back seat, you know, don't give me wouldn't even wouldn't even accept my hand to get him out of that. And he spread all over the gringo community down there that I was a tax protester.   So I had the same kind of crap happen down there that I've had happen here just because you're telling people the truth. So I understand what you're saying.  

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Yeah. You you just need to let either somebody needs to approach you   or, you know, just somebody you think that would be receptive,   you know, you you might approach it.   But in general,   if you just widely tell everybody, well, I don't have to pay taxes.   It is   hugely frowned upon because they're paying their fair share. Why aren't you paying your fair share? And and they've been brainwashed into that, and they'll hate you for it. Oh, yeah.  

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Absolutely. Yeah. Yep.  

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Absolutely. They might   Alternative  

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to that, sometimes you'll get folks who don't look at it negatively, but they wanna know they wanna know how you're doing it. Occasionally, you'll get that.  

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Yeah. And you have to use your own judgment, you know, and you might not even want to discuss it at work, you know. Well, hey. You know, outside of work, if you wanna know, I'll I'll sit down and explain it, you know. Or you send them to the national status website.  

[01:46:28] Unknown:

Send them an interview.  

[01:46:31] Unknown:

Well, you know, I one of the   they they gave me an, outgoing interview excellent interview, you might say, and it really wasn't necessary because it was really just   wasn't I wasn't leaving the company on my own accord. But   anyway and they wanted they asked they opened the door and said, well, you know, how's your experience here?   And was there anything that, you know,   was a problem. And so I thought, well, here's my chance to say   I had put in all the appropriate forms to stop withholding or not withhold and it wasn't done.   And I approached it very professionally in a positive manner. And   the   the lady who was interviewing me,   she was asking tons of questions. And I don't think it wasn't in a way to come after me for any reason, but Right. She was truly interested. Curious. So,  

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anyways, you never know who you might, influence positively about the national. That's true. But you gotta use your own judgment, you know, if you can see that they're, you know, truly interested and they're not and especially with you going out the door, you know, that's not gonna be hung over your head.   But, you know, now I got a quick question, Dave.   If you're out there on your tractor   playing Green Acres, does that make Kaye Lisa Douglas?   You're Oliver and she's Lisa?  

[01:47:53] Unknown:

Oliver.   Oliver.   She's as pretty as her, but she doesn't have that same accent. She's got   a very a very sexual   accent. So, Dave What do you what do you for?  

[01:48:07] Unknown:

Yeah. What are you plowing for, Dave?  

[01:48:12] Unknown:

Well, long story short, we've got we've got about 53 acres in it. A bunch of it, about 30 is along the Pea River, and   it's old wood, Roger, like these old, old trees that are just gigantic and they make a nice   cover   and it's all overgrown underneath. So I've hired some folks to come do some bush cutting.   And so I go down here and pick up all the dead wood, all the dead stuff and pile it up.   And we're making it real pretty down by the river. So I'm not really plowing, but I've got some   rattlers on the front of my tractor, and I'm just picking up stuff. And   Kaye's pretty good at that too, believe it or not. Her her,   southern roots come out. She jumps on the tractor, and she can pretty much handle it. She's pretty attractive when she's up on that tractor, riding around.  



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That's cool. How's that Well, I know that Kenny Chesney song.  

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Yeah. You know, that Kenny Chesney song, She Thinks My Tractor Sexy,   it just turns her on.   Okay.  

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I'll do that. Yeah. I   I I drive by her now and then and we get her, but I don't know how much that works. You know?  

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Well, I just thought you might be farming part of that 53 acres.  

[01:49:32] Unknown:

Oh, no. We're,   we just enjoy it down by the river. We don't we don't do any farming. I'm, you know, I'm a transplant from Detroit, so don't ask me. I've learned I've learned just Okay. By doing it.   Yeah. I'm kind of a, a northern redneck   my child, blue collar guy and, moved to the South.   Right. Yeah. I mean, I was Boy, you got  

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if you got a bunch of land on the Pea River, you couldn't get much further south.  

[01:50:04] Unknown:

Well, Dave, you know what what they call a Yankee   that moves to Alabama   What? And and doesn't go back? They call them a damn Yankee.  

[01:50:14] Unknown:

Well,   can I modify that a little bit, Mark?   It's the Yankees like Dave that moved down south, and we may call them a Yankee.   But it's the damn Yankee that moves down south and tells you how they used to do everything up north.  

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Oh, I like that better. Yeah.  

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Oh, man. I I've learned my lesson. I don't do that to these folks. And, I wouldn't. I wouldn't. She's   Well, you know   extra. That's not in there in Northern or so. It's Northern.  

[01:50:45] Unknown:

Well, the funny thing is when Kaye and Dave first got in touch with us and they started talking about that,   the Pea River   is the river that my mother's side of the family came down to found to to settle in Panama City.   And I'd I'd heard that when I was young, but I've hardly ever heard anything about the Pea River my whole life until Dave and Kaye came along. And Dave said when they were looking through a lot of the property records, they saw the Holly family in there, which is my mother's family.   So, that I thought that's pretty cool, actually.  

[01:51:20] Unknown:

Roger, the road that runs right by our property here, it's called Columbus Holly Road. So Yeah. Okay. There you go. Name it. It's part from your family.  

[01:51:30] Unknown:

Yeah? Yeah. From my mother's side. Yep.   So small world.   Yes. What else?   Dave, you got anything else to add or anybody else got something to bring forward here?  

[01:51:43] Unknown:

Larry's here.  

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Larry.  

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Yeah. I just found found some important information that would help out Brian in Pennsylvania   and any other students that run into the issues that were discussed today.   So   it says the internal revenue manual   five   dot one four dot one zero dot two dot   two two thousand and four states,   quote, private employers,   states, and political subdivisions   are not required to enter into payroll deduction agreements,   and this is in parentheses,   meaning form W four.   Taxpayers should determine whether their employers   will accept and process   executed agreements before agreements are submitted   for approval or finalized, end quote.  

And then it goes on to say this. For private sector   employers,   withholding exemptions   presented by employees   must be accepted   according to 26   United States Code   3,402,   parentheses,   small n as in Nancy,   which explicitly states,   quote, notwithstanding   any other provision of this section,   an employer shall not be required to deduct and withhold   any tax   under this chapter upon a payment of wages to an employee   if there is in effect with respect to such payment,   a withholding   exemption certificate,   and then this is in parentheses,   in such form   and containing   such other information   as the secretary   may prescribe, end of that per parenthetical section,   furnished to the employer by the employee   certifying that the employee, number one,   incurred no liability for income tax   imposed under subtitle a   for his preceding taxable year and, number two,   anticipates that he will incur no liability for income tax imposed   under subtitle a for his current taxable year.  

And the way to to, initiate this remedy, it says the IRS form eighty two thirty three   is the mechanism to accomplish this exemption from   withholding.   So that particular form   has a title,   and it's it's called this. It's IRS form 8,233,   exemption from withholding on compensation   for independent   and certain dependent   personal services,   and get this, of a nonresident   alien   individual.   So that seems to be the remedy for all of these issues.  

[01:54:46] Unknown:

Larry, I think that applies to the 10 if you're a ten ninety nine versus a w two. So you use the eighty two thirty three if you're ten ninety nine.   And then, for your w two, you want it you want to,   use the gosh. I just went brain dead.   The other one.   But I think that's that's for $10.99.  

[01:55:11] Unknown:

You're right, Dave.   You're right, Dave. It says do not use that form for the w four.   And it says how to complete,   form w four. So the exemption form for the w four is actually the w four itself.   But for, like, the   like you said, the $10.99,   then you would use this $82.33.  

[01:55:38] Unknown:

Alrighty.   There's nothing more exciting than IRS talk.  

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I've got a good accountant, Roger Sales. That's my accountant.  

[01:55:48] Unknown:

No. I'm not gonna give you very good advice in this area.   But but but the reason we know how to get out of this stuff   is because I hated all that so badly. So there is a pony in that stocking  

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somewhere. And and what and what a brain trust that we got here. You know? Well, that's for sure. You know? We got Larry pulling stuff up on the fly, you know,   get down to the nitty gritty of stuff and and hopefully,   help future   future,   Radio Ranch listeners.  

[01:56:24] Unknown:

Yep.   And we're getting close to the end of the program. So if anybody's been holding back and had something to ask or say, you better do it right now.   Right now, I'm talking about.  

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Yep.  

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They're pretty quiet. Five minutes and I'll go watch the game.  

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Well, it's tied. I'm gonna tell you it's tied. Thanks for I've been watching shaking loose and have you? Thanks for shaking loose and coming and being with us today, man. It's so good to hear my voice back and know you're alright. We missed you for whatever that's worth.  

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Appreciate that. Yeah. It's,   it's one of those things that have been nice to kinda step back and take a little time off. You know?  

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Yeah. Oh, yeah.  

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So   just trying to work a few things out and, go from there.  

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Yep.   Well, about about a week from now and forward is you're getting into real treacherous waters, folks. So we'll just see. Yeah. Next week should be pretty exciting. I don't know   what what's gonna come out of left field. We don't already know.   I know, Mark, they've isolated the guy, Todd Blanche,   who's the assistant   DOJ behind Bondi.  

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He's the one that's Yeah. He's the one that's the guy that stuff, hadn't he? He's been blocking He had bad out. Turn ins  

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yes. It looks like. Yep.   Trump loves him,   because he won a case for him, but evidently wasn't that big a deal. But,   but the word evidently is getting to Trump that he's the one that's in the gate in a lot of his agenda.   So, hopefully, they'll come and get his ass out of there. We got a lot of Well, Pam Bondi could fire him. Pam Bondi could fire him if she wanted to.   No. You know what? I'm not sure she could. I'm gonna tell you why. This is one of those instances   when we know they control the treasury,   this is how you know they control the Department of Justice.  

If you were gonna put a country in bankruptcy, you'd have to control the laws and you have to control the money, wouldn't you? Yeah. And that's what's going on. It's International Monetary Fund stuff.   Yeah. So anyway, we'll see how it turns out. Trump is taking some very bold steps, and,   we will see. Try and privatize the Federal Reserve a little bit maybe and   get us back more to a gold standard. And,   I encourage you. I don't think you were on the air, but there's a,   Adams   and Schechtman interview   on economy and economics. It's very insightful that, Joe sent me,   that you may want to watch. It's pretty deep. Okay.  

But it's pretty good. Otherwise, we're gonna,   we're gonna put our bodies down and go watch some football and be back on Monday morning, good Lord willing, and hope you'll be there with us and have a good abbreviated weekend and know that we, know that as my mother would say, know that you are loved.   Okay? So because we love all of you and, you're very special, each and every one of you.   And, we'll tickle to death to have you, and we'll be tickled to death to see you soon.   Ciao.  

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There you go.  

[01:59:37] Unknown:

Alright, Mark. Thanks, man. Good to hear your voice. Hey. You're welcome.  

[01:59:41] Unknown:

Hey, Mark.   Peter. Yeah.  

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I put a link, a PDF to the congressional   record of   congressman   Rerich that,   was read on our show   by William   that was in the Viet versus Turner case  

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by you.  

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Okay. Hold on. Hold on. Yeah.   Is this one no. That's a sketch.   Tom, I'm looking for that right now before before I leave. Make sure I got the what you're Yeah.  

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It it says congressional record congressman Rerich.   There's a PDF below it.  

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I'm pretty sure he must have been John Birch. It's all about the fourteenth amendment not being properly ratified. I think that was in the sixties, wasn't it? Let's see congressional  

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record, congressman Rourke, and it's r a r c k,   apart in the Utah case.  

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Yeah. He's quick as  

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the the terminal.  

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Say again?  

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Yeah. So d Turner. The case Yeah.   We were talking about This is some Congressional  

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record, fourteenth amendment null.  

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Sassy.   Watch report.   That was in the case. He read it.   Okay.  

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So he cited Rarick is I I thought it was Rarick. Rarick's,   congressional Yes. Record in the case. Right? Sketch is what you're saying? Yes. Okay. Yes. Okay.   Alright.   So,   alright. Well, Mark, I know you got stuff to do. So thanks. Hope to see you again soon when you get a chance.   And,  

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Don't don't go away, Mark. Yeah.  

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Be be good. Everybody else, anybody got something for me?  

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You could listen to this too.  

[02:01:33] Unknown:

Do do what, Tom?  

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So   I've just read I'm I'm looking at something here, what we were discussing earlier. Let me put on speaker.   That   two federal judges acknowledge   court ruling errors tied to their staffers   using AI   during the Grassley inquiry.  

[02:01:59] Unknown:

Oh my goodness. Well, there it is sticking up its ugly head. Yeah. So if anybody use it, be careful.  

[02:02:04] Unknown:

That was why I was kinda hesitant, but, you know, I guess, as Mark said, if you do it right, it should come out right. But, you know, if you're gonna have this thing write something, make sure you run every single statute in every single case and make sure they're real because the stupid thing hallucinates.  

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Yeah.  

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Hey. Hey. Before we leave, I see there was a Shane that had their hand raised.   Did they get addressed or or Shane?  

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Shane, is that you? Here? Put my hand down.  

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Oh, you already you already had your question or comment made.  

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Yeah. Good to have you back, Mark. Thank you. Well, thank you, Shane.  

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Did did you have a question or a statement before I leave?  

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No.   Thank you very much, and thank you, Roger.  

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Thank you, Shane. You're welcome, Shane. I'm gonna go have a weekend and some football. Big games on. We got the Thanks, Robert. We got the spotlight game tonight. So Yeah. Wish us luck.  

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Alright. Good luck.  

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Alright. Well, good luck with you. You're tied at at the sec the second quarter. So,   anyway, good games.   We get to see Vandy again today. Vandy's a little success story.   So, anyway, we'll, see y'all on Monday. Have a great weekend. Okay, Paul? Thank you very much.  

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Ciao. Take care. Bye   bye.  

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Hey, Mark.  

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Mark?   Hey, Mark.  

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He left.  

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Okay.   Yep. Everybody's   everybody's in a hurry to go get,   get ready for the games.  

[02:03:48] Unknown:

What do you have? Horseshoes? Playing horseshoes?  

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No. Not me.   No. So I just tonight.  

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It's a waste of time.  

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Yeah. Yeah.   I'm not much into it either.  

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Unless you unless you wanna get unless you unless you're looking to get a concussion, I guess.   Yeah.   I could do that on a ladder here without having to even get dressed up.  

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I miss all that stuff, but I I'm afraid to fall down now because I feel like I'm shattered in a thousand pieces.  

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You know, when I went I was in high school, ninth grade,   and they were teaching us football and stuff. Because I I I had played baseball when I was younger. I was,   I guess, 10 or 11.   And   I think they for some reason, they put me in as a pitcher.   And three three innings in a row, I struck out three players, and then they put me in left field.   And I said, why am I gonna do that? I said, why don't I pay well, you gotta let him hit the ball once in a while. I said, I thought the point was that you're not supposed to let him hit the ball. You're supposed to just strike him out. So they put me in left field after two,   innings. I just walked off the field and went home and never went back.  

But they,   yeah, I just you know, screw that. I can't do what you know? Because I could knock a squirrel out of a tree, probably good to 150 feet with a rock and you just knock them out of a tree.   But when they started to teach us football, we're in the locker room and the coach is like, you know, we're gonna go do this. Yeah. And we're gonna go to that. Yeah. And if they get in the way, you're gonna kick them in the notch. Yeah. Wait a minute. Question. Yep. Is the other coach telling the other team that too? Yep. Okay. Not playing.   And I never went. I I failed gym for two years   because I refused to play.  

So kinda burned kinda burned my,   interest in football   or pretty much any sport be besides   bedroom sports.   So, anyway,   that's my story. I'm sticking to it.   Yeah. Mark boogied real quick. I can't believe it.   Everybody gone?  

[02:06:17] Unknown:

Is anybody else familiar with doing your revocation of election?  

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I don't know. I guess it would be I think most everybody here has done it.  

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I've never haven't done it yet. I'm studying it right now.  

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Oh, okay. Good.  

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Alright. Alright. This this I haven't  

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Go ahead. I yield.  

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This   has been stuff for forty five years, and,   and I've seen and heard just about every possible,   argument,   against the the tax system   and basically,   you know, just rejected them. And then when, boy, when I found when when Roger popped up,   and I heard what he had to say and I looked into him and I went, wow. This is what I've been looking for for forty some years. And,   it was just amazing. You know? Him and I used to run-in some of the same circles in Baltimore   and knew we knew some of the same people, but we never ran into each other back in the nineties, and I sure as hell wish I had.   But, you know, better late than never, I guess.  



[02:07:30] Unknown:

I'm with you on that. I found him four years ago too with   the Sarah Westphall interview on RBN.   And, I'm grateful Okay. Yeah.   And,   I've I've known you know, we everybody has heard the Patriot Movement,   the the one   c I or IRS enforcer, I can't remember his name.   He was out there telling people that taxes are voluntary,  

[02:07:59] Unknown:

and then she legits Erwin Erwin Erwin Schiff?  

[02:08:04] Unknown:

Nope. It was a different guy. I can't remember his name for some reason.  

[02:08:09] Unknown:

There's a bunch of them. I mean Yeah. I mean, I met Erwin Shipback in 1980,   I guess, and that's what started you know, got me   something. I think it was '80 somewhere on I don't know. Back in back in '8 1980 or so. And that's when I got hooked into this and   and tried everything, read everything, listened to everything, went to as many,   you know,   places that were having   meetings and crap and just   I don't know. It's just they never they never figured out what Roger did or whoever Roger learned it from. I forget the person that taught him, but   the, you know, the gold French flag using Federal Reserve notes, having a Social Security number, your name in all caps, you you know, all of this crap.  

And and, some a couple of my friends even used followed Erwin Schiff.   And I and I told them before they did, I said, if you if you do what he's telling you, you're gonna go to jail. And they both ended up in Allenwood Prison in Pennsylvania.   And,   because,   they didn't listen.   And   I don't know.   Just don't know.   But whatever but as they were saying earlier, if you get any communications with the IRS, make damn sure you respond.   And in fact, respond multiple times because every time they used to send me a letter, I'd send them two or three back.   And they just and then they were silent. They just they wouldn't they would not respond. They would not tell you you were wrong or right   or anything. You know? I've just hey. If I'm wrong, you know, let me know immediately. You know, advise me where the appropriate sections   are, and I will comply.  

And, you know, silence   was deafening,   and   that's what will keep you out of criminal court.  

[02:10:15] Unknown:

Yo. Go ahead.  

[02:10:18] Unknown:

Would you check your would you check your email to make sure you got that Andy Schechman, Neil?  

[02:10:25] Unknown:

Oh, I think I found it, but, yes, I will go look right now. If you want to I want to brighten on. Yeah. I want to brighten on, and then I and then I looked up,   the HealthRanger,   and then I and I just scrolled through there and I found it. It sorted out all you know, got rid of a lot of the more, you know, like, because everybody's posting stuff. So if you if you narrow it down,  

[02:10:47] Unknown:

while I'm looking here I I sent it to you.  

[02:10:50] Unknown:

Okay. That's cool.   Yeah. The title was let me see the title here.   Where did I Andy. Okay. You're here. It says Andy Shekman, silver wars, stable coins, and the fight for future economy.  

[02:11:06] Unknown:

Yep.  

[02:11:07] Unknown:

Okay. Cool. Alright. Well, you're you were back up there. That's all.  

[02:11:11] Unknown:

Okay.  

[02:11:13] Unknown:

I didn't I didn't get it. Let's see. I'm trying to trying to sync up that email box.   And you just did [email protected].   Right? Org, not tom?  

[02:11:30] Unknown:

I did [email protected].  

[02:11:36] Unknown:

No. Not no. Not network. It's just republic broadcasting   dot org. Well, I put the network in it. But if you Yeah. I don't I don't I don't think it'll go, but I found it. So Keep in touch. If you can send it, I'd like to keep in touch with you. Yeah.   And now aren't you the one that said didn't you say something earlier? You said something about inconvenient   something.  

[02:11:56] Unknown:

Yeah. And,  

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and I couldn't understand the second word here.  

[02:12:02] Unknown:

And and study.studyand.com.   Now   I haven't   searched that out because I just pulled that off a Steve Bannon's  

[02:12:16] Unknown:

war room  

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deal this morning.  

[02:12:18] Unknown:

Okay. What was the guy named? Bill Bill Bill something?  

[02:12:23] Unknown:

Del Bigtree.  

[02:12:26] Unknown:

Just like it sounds?  

[02:12:28] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Cool. Alright. You got it now. What this is about. But Andy said he didn't get anything when he,   did a search on it.   So what I suggested is to go to YouTube if you can't find it. But what it's about   is and I'm giving you a brief overview as I understood it.   Mhmm.   We know Pfizer   is dirty on this jab deal.   And the Henry Ford   Health Foundation or some   whatever Henry Ford does to institute   on health,   Their head   researcher   was in support of all of the jab   issue and everything else. In fact, this one   guy   that Del Bigtree   interviewed   said he is the reason that   everyone had to take the jab.  

So, anyway, Bigtree approached him   and asked him to do a study after five years   of what the results of the jab were,   and he agreed to it. And Bigtree said there's one caveat here. You must   publish the results of your study,   be they good or bad, for either side. Whatever they are, you publish them.   Well, he did his study,   and   he won't publish them. He won't say why he won't publish them, but he won't publish them. But Big Tree did an interview with him, and they played part of this on Bannon's war room deal,   part of the interview.  

And Big Tree had a hidden camera and microphone   when he did this interview.   So that's what this is about,   and it appears to be very incriminating.   And, you   know, the only thing I know to do is if if that's an inconvenience, steady.com   doesn't come up to start searching Del Big Tree and see what I got it to come on chat.  

[02:14:43] Unknown:

Sorry. I got it to come up, and I put a link in the chat, Tom.  

[02:14:47] Unknown:

Yep. It's in the chat. That's great. Okay. I'll look there too. For me as well.  

[02:14:51] Unknown:

Okay. Well,   I I thought it was really interesting and,   good. Thank you,   Thank you.  

[02:15:01] Unknown:

Thank you very much.  

[02:15:03] Unknown:

Yep.  

[02:15:12] Unknown:

Hey, Tom. Did you ever listen to,   what was his name?   I've heard a lot of the Patriot guys too over the years talking about the   the gold shroud or whatever.   But,   listening to Alex Jones starting in 2006   when my apprentice told me that nine eleven was an inside job.   Listen   to your, RBN   lots of many, many times different people on there, and that's why I found Roger.  

[02:15:45] Unknown:

But I'm grateful also.   I'm not sure I understood what you were asking.  

[02:15:52] Unknown:

I was just telling you that I had the same experiences that you did trying to find truth and answers. Yeah. It's it's just it's been been like that for forty years.   Forty years, man. I'm   2,006   for me starting this long journey.   But if anybody knows about   doing their revocation of election,   and I'm a I'm an electrician,   and I'm getting a pension, small pension.   And I wanna stop paying taxes for that   after I get this revocation done.   And I don't you know? Just   any advice. I really appreciate what Mark said about   being careful about who you share this information with, especially with I'm not paying taxes because it's like the   the crawfish in a bucket. You know? They'll pull the other crawfish down because they don't want them to escape   type thing.  



[02:16:52] Unknown:

So,  

[02:16:55] Unknown:

another question. Tommy, you've been try you've been you've run that RDN network for how many years?  

[02:17:30] Unknown:

And had anybody ever heard of a guy named Bob White, like the bird, Robert White, back in the nineties? He he wrote a magazine. It was called the Duck Book.   And, basically, it was a it was   a magazine   that kind of told all the kept up all the news on the IRS and stuff. And the guy, it was like $25   for a lifetime subscription,   but his his, caveat was   his life, not yours.   And,   and eventually, a few years later,   he got murdered in Costa Rica for, like, $200 in his pocket.  

[02:18:09] Unknown:

I subscribed to that.  

[02:18:13] Unknown:

This is why That's good. Then you then you're back there then.  

[02:18:17] Unknown:

No. I go back way beyond that even.  

[02:18:20] Unknown:

I think I even have a copy of one a copy of one of the issues somewhere.  

[02:18:25] Unknown:

I have a bunch of copies of that and a bunch of copies of Anastasia and,   whole bunch of that stuff.  

[02:18:33] Unknown:

How about the Justice Times and the Spotlight and Oh, the spotlight. George Gordon's George Gordon's newsletter.  

[02:18:40] Unknown:

And Let let me tell you a story about the spotlight. I used to subscribe   to it.   And the   postmas   mistress,   postmaster, postmaster, whatever you wanna call her,   she would take that   spotlight newspaper and take it home   to her husband and let her husband read it, then I get it the next day.  

[02:19:05] Unknown:

Wow.   So Yeah. There was there was so much back in the day,   because everything came by mail back then,   And I used to go to the mailbox every day   because it was close to where I worked and,   go see what interesting stuff I got, you know, but all kinds of stuff. And,   there was a place out there a couple in California was called the   the goal, what was it? The Your Heritage Protection Association, YHPA.   And they had, like,   30,000   members   in their group. And,   the in in, I think, Arizona, there was the Golden Mean Society.   God, I mean, I have,   I've got so much literature.  

It's unbelievable   that I still I always keep a copy, only one one or two copies of everything.  

[02:20:09] Unknown:

I probably still have a few copies of some spotlights   somewhere   amongst all my junk,   and I got   a I was kinda curious   what anybody thinks about,   these, epic epic times. I've I've I have newspaper,   papers,   from epic times from, like, '20,   I think, '16 to   probably 2019   or 2020.   And I for some reason, I have a hard time filling anything away,   but it's in the way.   And I don't know whether   to try to bundle it up and take it to an antique store and   see if there's any market for old   newspapers   from   even though it's not that long ago.   Any suggestions, or should I just use it for fire channeling?  



[02:21:09] Unknown:

I I used to, I used to leave copies, you know, different places, like, go into a doctor's office. When you go on a doctor's visit, I'd leave a copy or two.   You know, and   when I go to the VA, I would leave my,   my gun magazines in there.  

[02:21:27] Unknown:

Jesus Christ. I know everybody likes guns. Underneath. Yeah. I see I see those I see people leave those a lot in the VA myself, actually.  

[02:21:36] Unknown:

Yeah. I put them underneath a couple put them down two or three two or three magazines so they weren't sitting right out.  

[02:21:43] Unknown:

Right.   I think I personally I would think in the VA, it's I would imagine that it's highly,   supported when   somebody can sit down and read a gun magazine.  

[02:21:56] Unknown:

Yeah. Well, you know, you'd think that they'd want that, but, you know, they're you know? Oh, yeah. Grab a gun and go to war. But when you get back, you know, we don't like guns. You know? So Yeah. I I don't know. And that thing can take out a remedial suicide.   Oh, yeah. Hey. There he is. You've been lurking back there?  

[02:22:18] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[02:22:20] Unknown:

I'm gonna I'm gonna talk to, I'm gonna talk to Sam this weekend and see,   Roger said that you might wanna   grab some time at RBN.  

[02:22:34] Unknown:

Not a show or anything. Just,   you know, if you need these spots done,   you know, commercials or something like that.  

[02:22:44] Unknown:

Oh, okay. Well, I I was under the impression he said that you that you were looking for maybe an hour show or something once a week.  

[02:22:51] Unknown:

Oh, not me.  

[02:22:55] Unknown:

I don't know. You're Brent. You're you're Brent. Right?   Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's what he told me. Alright. Well, I'll, I'll belay that then. Oh,   how about that? It's  

[02:23:08] Unknown:

the voice  

[02:23:11] Unknown:

How about Larry B. Craft? What's he doing these days?  

[02:23:16] Unknown:

I don't I don't even know if he's still practicing or not. I mean, him and I had some rough words years and years ago because he wouldn't   he wouldn't,   you know, carry on like I want you know? I was thinking about using him   and, just for some civil crap, but he, you know, he he has his own mindset.   Him and Red Beckman and,   oh, shit. Who else?   God is name the name's coming back to you back in the day, but   and I just said, the hell, but I did it myself. It worked out fine.  

[02:23:53] Unknown:

Yeah. I I know   I know a lawyer,   well, he was a lawyer, but he got disbarred   amongst a few other people around   this   area. He he likes to he he he seems to be up at, like, 03:00 in the morning, not posting stuff, but   I wonder what   I wonder what   or if he had the opportunity to have his own little broadcast   hour or something like that, what he would think about it.  

[02:24:28] Unknown:

Well, there's a paragraph, wasn't he? He was in Arkansas. Wasn't he in Arkansas? I don't know. Hot Springs, I think.  

[02:24:34] Unknown:

Down the road from me here in Huntsville, Alabama.  

[02:24:38] Unknown:

Oh, in Alabama.   Oh, you're in Huntsville?   Yeah. I got a brother who lives in Gun Guntersville.   Sure. Gotcha.   Cousins, cousins, and nieces, and nephews.  

[02:24:51] Unknown:

Yeah.   Guttersville is nice. It's,  

[02:24:54] Unknown:

it's I don't I don't know. I love that I love that lake. I love that lake. Yeah. The road the highway goes between the two sides of the lake. I mean, that was I mean, we were really tempted to move there instead of Texas.  

[02:25:09] Unknown:

Yeah. I got I got a lot of relatives in Texas.   None in Alabama.  

[02:25:16] Unknown:

Yeah. That's why we moved to Texas because we don't have any here.  

[02:25:22] Unknown:

Oh, you want me to get what are you saying? You wanna get away from relatives?  

[02:25:26] Unknown:

Absolutely.  

[02:25:28] Unknown:

Really? Wow.  

[02:25:30] Unknown:

More trouble than strangers.  

[02:25:33] Unknown:

Really? That's interesting for that's interesting for to hear that from somebody. Now I don't feel so bad.  

[02:25:42] Unknown:

Hey, man. Were trying to decide when we were gonna leave when we left Pennsylvania or when we were getting ready to leave, we were trying to   decide, should we go to Florida or we should go to Texas?   And,   you know, there was there was multiple reasons to come to Texas, but it was, you know, one that we really didn't have any relatives to bug us.  

[02:26:03] Unknown:

Now, now Texas, are they still,   are you still happy with the, the the state of Texas so far as they're   working with, trying to get the country or the the state there  

[02:26:19] Unknown:

back onto the Well, it's pretty it's pretty hard to go anywhere here without seeing the Trump flag or something. So,   I mean, there's some spaces, you know, in the, you know, like, in the cities like Houston,   Dallas, you know, those places, they're all blue,   especially Austin. Oh my god. So we don't you know, we were living in Round Rock   right, you know, in the same town that the network was in, but   we, we we got the hell out of there. And,   you know, we literally   moved out, you know, before our lease was up because of there was a guy across the street that shot and almost killed a guy, and he ended up on our doorstep banging on our door   because he'd been shot. And,   so we just you know, that was you know, I mean, Round Rock supposed to be a pretty nice place, but that was kind of   a sort of the other side of the tracks part of the town, but it was still, you know,   still a lot of money to rent a house there. And this   this freaking I I I don't know if he was illegal or not, but he was,   if he wasn't, he should have been because,   this this kid,   he drove us absolutely nuts.  

You know? So actually, he kept the whole neighborhood in fear,   and,   so we just got to tell her  

[02:27:41] Unknown:

How old's the kid?  

[02:27:44] Unknown:

I think it was 19 at that time.   19. Yeah.  

[02:27:49] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah.   Yeah. Usually usually, people in Texas don't they don't put up with that kind of stuff in the neighborhood. You know?  

[02:27:58] Unknown:

Neighborhood people all get there. Kid was walking around swinging a machete.   He had they found two handguns in his house when they went in and and arrest you know, went to arrest them. They took them overnight.   They let him go,   and then he went into the wind, and then they came back the next day like they were going into Fallujah   and, you know, just shut down the whole neighborhood searching for him. He was gone.   And then they then they somehow picked him back up again at some point,   later. And, and then they let him off, and,   you know, we've been following the case. And he had he didn't get he didn't get any kinda, you know, attempted murder, shot this guy.  

The guy who I think was, like, in his 23 or 24 maybe.   And, I don't know what the hell it was about. You know? And then later in domestic violence. And and he had he had more domestic violence later.   You know, the guy should have been jailed the minute, you know, they picked him up, but, you know, he was a real and he'd sit there. I guess he was mad because we called the ambulance or something   because the kid almost died. The guy almost died   and   but they you know, he survived and   his grandfather actually came down and his then his   sister came and thanked us for Granddaughter. Granddaughter   and   for, you know, for getting him to an ambulance. But, you know, what was I supposed to do? Just step over him until his bones disintegrated? And he used to he'd open his garage door and turn his speakers and just play loud freaking Mexican music   blasting us across the street, and it just   yeah. And making obscenities to my wife when she went out to the mailbox. And I was just waiting for him to come into the yard or try to come in the house, and,   that was gonna be the end of that. But So this is crazy the hell out of the  

[02:29:54] Unknown:

Just a crazy 19 year old kid that,   felt like he was above the law or something?  

[02:30:01] Unknown:

Yeah. You guys even As far as I know, he didn't speak English, and,   maybe he did, but I don't I I don't think so. But you know?  

[02:30:09] Unknown:

So is this something that happened recently, or is it  

[02:30:13] Unknown:

a a history now? This was this was no. No. No. This was 2020. You know, it was in the newspaper and everything.   Now this is after we moved we moved we moved down there in in October   2019,   and it was, like, 2021.   It was   May or June   2021,   and then we   yeah. So and then we moved out, and August started packing up and getting the hell out of there.   So   and I know because it was a hundred and hundred and four degrees during the day, so I actually   rented a truck and and load it, did all the moving at starting at, like, 11:00 at night until six in the morning. And it was still 90 some degrees,   but I just got out of there.  

Couldn't even go out in the yard hardly because this kid across the street,   lunatic.  

[02:31:05] Unknown:

Wow.   Dave?   That's deep. Jesus.  

[02:31:12] Unknown:

Yep.  

[02:31:15] Unknown:

Yeah. You can move to Kansas.   Kansas is pretty good place.  

[02:31:25] Unknown:

So   you're still in Texas, though. Right?  

[02:31:29] Unknown:

Yeah. We we we were in Texas   military, and I was working at the bases. And,   we were hopping all over the country from military base to military base   and doing contract work. And, we really liked it in Texas. It was, like, '81.   And, you know, we,   we said, you know, we know what Texas is like, and we kinda liked it. So   it was, we were down more Southeast   area. You were along the coast. Well, we were at NAS Dallas, which is no longer there, and then we were   in Beeville and Kingsville,   Texas, and it was pretty it was pretty nice. You know? That was   and   but that was back when,   you know, people had   pretty much had some manners, not like now.  

Oh, that's crazy. And we were and we were and we were in a bad second,   you know, because those towns were mostly military, but everybody else was just kinda   hanger ons and, you know, poor people, but they were, you know,   it was it was okay. You know?   But it's a mess now. Well, the whole damn country is a mess.  

[02:32:43] Unknown:

Hey, Dave.  

[02:32:47] Unknown:

Whole world is by that.  

[02:32:49] Unknown:

Dave Dave's not Dave's not here, man.  

[02:32:53] Unknown:

Oh, you can't hear me.  

[02:32:56] Unknown:

Do you do you We  

[02:32:58] Unknown:

can hear you. Do do do you recall how you found out about Roger?  

[02:33:08] Unknown:

You talking to me?  

[02:33:10] Unknown:

Yes. Your name is Dave. Right?  

[02:33:13] Unknown:

No. I'm Tom.  

[02:33:15] Unknown:

Oh, I'm sorry.  

[02:33:17] Unknown:

Yeah. Dave's not here. Dave's not here, man.   I,   let me think about  

[02:33:27] Unknown:

that. Hey, Tom.  

[02:33:30] Unknown:

It was Brent but I what I don't know. Talking about.  

[02:33:35] Unknown:

It was Brent Winters who might wanna do a show on RVN.  

[02:33:42] Unknown:

Isn't that who I was just talking to? No. That was Brent Bauch.   Says who?  

[02:33:49] Unknown:

Brent.   Problems. We we got name problems here.  

[02:33:53] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. You know? It's   hard to remember people, but, you know, only by voice.  

[02:33:59] Unknown:

The owner who has the Friday show on for with Roger.  

[02:34:04] Unknown:

I've been with Roger for over thirty  

[02:34:09] Unknown:

years. I'm still waiting. Yeah. If Dave can or Tom. Sorry, Tom. I got I got Dave I got Dave in my head. I'm I apologize.   Do you recall? I can help you. Telling you Dave's not here.   Yeah. Okay, Tom. I get it.   No. It was it was Wayne and I that called in and told you about Roger.   In fact, I used the statement. I've been looking for a guy like Roger for forty years.  

[02:34:37] Unknown:

Okay. Yeah. That's then it was Wayne. Yeah. Because I met Wayne in person.   So when I was up near Dallas one day for another kind of meeting,   and,   you know, so that was cool. Yeah. And then and then when  

[02:34:55] Unknown:

okay. Well, I I was also I'm the one that I'm the one that told you that,   you know, I've been looking for Roger for forty years, and you should check him out. You know, both Wayne and I are part of Roger's show at the time. There's a lot of people here that,   haven't been here back that far.   Don't even know,   you know, what was going on those days. But,   yeah.  

[02:35:17] Unknown:

Yeah. And then when,   a fellow from Alaska   shoot.   That's the guy that the IRS shows on the on the RBM. Ralph Winter Road. Ralph   Winter Road. Yeah. When he passed, I I talked to Roger. I said, do you wanna fill in? And he said, well, he would do it. It was and it was putting him you know, he was on on the air seven days a week now, but he did it for,   you know, several several months, and we got a lot of information out to people. So that worked out good. Yep.   Okay. Then I I know  

[02:35:54] Unknown:

I didn't call in under my name. So if you look for me in the archives, it won't be under Sam. He will.  

[02:36:01] Unknown:

Okay.  

[02:36:04] Unknown:

And we wouldn't be we wouldn't be here on FCC   if it wasn't for Sarah West West Hall   and Paul   hearing Roger on Sarah West Hall.   Somebody else mentioned Sarah West Hall today.  

[02:36:21] Unknown:

I know Roger had been on RBN previously   with couple other hosts   before I I think even before I came before I even knew,   because I didn't learn about RBN until  

[02:36:35] Unknown:

He was on with Jeff Bennett.  

[02:36:37] Unknown:

Yeah. 2015,   I think, I found RBN. I don't know why, but, you know,   2015.   And then in 2017,   I I drove to Texas   and stayed with   John for ten days and   went through the network, fixed all the computers,   and rewired everything.   You know? I remember that. Got Mhmm. Got him a cheaper   Internet service, got him cheaper phone service, and,   you know, just just straighten the whole place out for them. And,   so it was yeah. It was nice, and then that's why we moved to Round Rock.   And then John   decided he was gonna, go on vacation permanently,   and that's that.  

So I don't know.  

[02:37:30] Unknown:

I've missed missed John.   To some extent, I wish we'd play some of his   rebroadcast,   once in a while, more often anyway.  

[02:37:41] Unknown:

Which every day might go out to my   what was that?  

[02:37:46] Unknown:

They play them every night   at 11:00   for two hours. This old show   every night, Monday through Friday. Not Friday. Monday through Thursday.  

[02:37:57] Unknown:

In the middle of the night? Who who listens to At 11:00  

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11:00PM   eastern.  

[02:38:04] Unknown:

Yeah. Good job. It's filler it's filler for the rest of the evening until the morning.  

[02:38:10] Unknown:

That's 08:00 Pacific.  

[02:38:12] Unknown:

That way I can go to archives and pick what I want.  

[02:38:20] Unknown:

Yeah. Well, at least we're not forgotten.   Yeah.  

[02:38:26] Unknown:

Hey, Tom. Did you get an email from Murr a while ago?   It had a,   national intel report show,   for two hours with me and Gaddy   because you wanted,   a sample of my voice.   Could have been for October   20.  

[02:38:55] Unknown:

I I have to I'm on my I'm on my phone. I have to go look at my online   inbox, but,   I'll take a look. If you want, just resend it. And,   Okay.   I'll,   I'll wait out and I'll save it in a in my   in my national stuff so that I know where to find it.   I did get somebody's email here. I just got somebody's email, Joe   Joe's email. So,   if he's still on,   it's the Oklahoma boy.   Mhmm. Yep. He got it right.  

[02:39:33] Unknown:

The two Brents that are being talked about is Brent Allen Winters and Brent Bachman. So   Brent Brockman's here,   and I I know you know about Brent Albertshire.   He's the one that's looking for a potential spot   probably on the weekends. So  

[02:39:49] Unknown:

Okay. Brent Brent Bachman is the point. And he's the Brent. He's the Brent that does the Monday and Friday first hour.  

[02:39:59] Unknown:

No. He's on Friday. On Saturday mornings at 8AM that you got that,   that guy with the tahiba tee, and it's the same show   every Saturday   for an hour.   You know, it's one recording,   and that'd be a great spot for, for Brent or for, yeah, for the lawyer. Winners.  

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Okay. Say that again about   about the morning show. What?  

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Saturday mornings at 8AM eastern,   they're playing this to HebO tea   club guy.   It's the same show every Saturday.   It's an hour, and,   it's from eight to 9AM   eastern.   You know, it's just he only did one show apparently,   and they keep running the same show every Saturday morning for an hour   before Alright. You know, comes on at nine. Okay.  

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Alright. So that might be that would be a good spot for Brent.  

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Yeah. I think.  

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And Brent Bachman is the voice of reason.  

[02:41:28] Unknown:

Okay. Alright. I'm gonna check it out and see what I can do.  

[02:41:36] Unknown:

And Brent Winter's website is commonlawyer.com.  

[02:41:46] Unknown:

Oh, yeah. I have that bookmarked. So okay.   Alright. So I wrote all that down. I'll, and I'll talk to Sam this weekend.   Does anybody have a way for me to reach Brent Winters, you know, by phone?   If you can email me a phone number.  

[02:42:52] Unknown:

All Might.  

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I believe you can find him on,   wintersinn.com.  

[02:43:06] Unknown:

Winters   Inn like a hotel   hotel inn?  

[02:43:10] Unknown:

Yep. Yep.  

[02:43:13] Unknown:

You're not in charge?  

[02:43:18] Unknown:

Well, he made that up as a kinda like a hotel,   scenario and   bringing people back   to God. You know? So  

[02:43:30] Unknown:

There's another guy at Odyssey, a preacher.   They do little stories for kids,   and they call it something in   I'm sure he got it from that, but it's,   they make videos, you know, for the kids,   little,   family friendly.   I can't remember the, you know, the guy who runs this   house for kids for something to do to keep off the street.   And it but it they call it his name in,   you know, INN.   The Adventures in Odyssey, I think, they is the program.  

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Commonlawyer.com.  

[02:44:21] Unknown:

Yeah. I got that. I've we've had that for a while, but the other one I'll check the other one out too.   Alrighty, folks. I gotta run. I got stuff to do and a place to go and people to see.   I will,   I'll see you Monday.  

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Until then?  

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Yep. Six two and even over and out.  

[02:44:42] Unknown:

By Tom.  

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Have a good weekend, everybody.  

[02:45:00] Unknown:

Hee haw. How long has your government been shut down now?   Twenty one days, thirty days. I don't know. How long?  

[02:45:24] Unknown:

Not long enough.  

[02:45:32] Unknown:

Yeah. I hear it's gonna be continued on   being closed for quite some time.   Elon Musk is gonna   make,   cryptocurrency   like the new,   the new fad   in money creation.   EHAW.  

[02:46:14] Unknown:

Do you   hear the people how entitled they feel to keep taking BET from the government?   They said they're gonna go steal the food if they don't got the EDP   because their babies need to eat.   Mhmm. But they don't need to find a job.   They should find a job.  

[02:46:43] Unknown:

Boy, we don't talk like that. That's only you that needs a job to support the rest of us. They got a job stealing from Americans and getting paid on their EDT cards.  

[02:46:57] Unknown:

Hey. What's the guy taking 2,800   a month?   He got five babies.   That's crazy. That's his salary.   They reduced it to 350,   and he was crying.   He was like, oh, how I supposed to take care of my family now?   I just know if   the first people don't receive their EVPs,   you see people on the streets.   That's when you're gonna see all  

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these   crazy  

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people.  

[02:47:47] Unknown:

Boy, we don't need to see crazy. We listen to them every day, you know, on the Roger sales radio show.  

[02:47:55] Unknown:

No. You think we are the same ones. Let's see. Did you not heard these people saying,   oh, I need my money. They go into the,   EBT   office,   and they start asking the money to the person working in there. They are fucking nuts.   Like, that person is the one sending them their money.  

[02:48:43] Unknown:

I don't know. I live in a communist   state, state of California.  

[02:48:53] Unknown:

California.  

[02:49:06] Unknown:

I'm pretty sure we all do.   We all live in a commie   country,   our own nation state.  

[02:49:28] Unknown:

And people don't even know it.   That's the   that's why it's shocking   that we're living in a system, and people think they live in another system.  

[02:49:43] Unknown:

I was talking to Jim   Fetzer   last week on his radio show. Somebody was talking about,   you know,   communism   and,   Marxism and stuff, and Fetzer got mad. And he's like, what's your proof and blah blah blah? And I called in I called in and I said,   Jim, come on.   Tell me what,   which one of the of the 10 planks of the communist manifesto   have they not implemented yet?   And so in your in the you'll then once you get on the connected,   you can barely hear him talking.   And,  

[02:50:24] Unknown:

and I was I believe that taking the gun is the only one. Yeah? It's the only one that they haven't put yet.  

[02:50:30] Unknown:

Right. But look at all the restrictions   they've put on guns since the you know, they've been in business.   Anyway,   he he starts reading them, and he starts yelling at me. You know? And he's like, pull this down. You know? He's screaming. And I'm like, what the hell? And they they cut me off,   kicked me off the show, and then he starts reading them. And he's like,   woah.   This is these are some good things. These are really good.   They're you know, I believe in the public school system and and the graduated   income taxes. And I'm like, I told him before when I when he first came on,   I said, you know, Jim, I've always admired you for all these, you know, conspiracy   theories that you've proven   are real conspiracies,   you know, with nobody died at Sandy Hook and and the moon landing and all these things you've you've proven to us.  

And, you know, and, you know, you know as well as I do as a college professor,   the,   what's his name? Gary Allen. You know?   He he was a he went to Stanford, and he taught at Stanford. As a professor, he said,   we are we were all Fabian socialist, and we didn't even know it. I said, you guys have been communized   for a long time. And then you come on here and you say, you voted for Clinton twice. You voted for Obama twice. Hell, you cried when Obama got elected. I said, I seriously,   you know, am am wondering about your, you know, your,   I can't remember exactly what I said, but he kind of agreed with me.  

But then, man, when I told him about this communist manifesto thing, he just flipped right out. And then he started agreeing with with most of them, and he's like, we haven't got this. We haven't got oh, oh, there's lots of people who've inherited,   you know, large,   huge estates. And   and I wanted to tell him he already kicked me off. You know? Well, yeah. The rich people can inherit stuff, but if we do, we we gotta pay inheritance   taxes. Come on. How have they not implemented   all of these,   these   these planks   in America already?  

He's a commie, man. He's a freaking commie, and I yield.  

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Well,   the thing I would've hit him with was,   you know, who the forty niners were, you know, the gold miners going to California and what have you.   Well,   there were the 48 ers,   and they were the ones who, were displaced out of Europe,   you know,   having death sentences over their heads or heavy prison sentences for trying to revolt in Germany and and start shit all over.   And, they escaped over here, and they became Lincoln's army   and a bunch of his generals.  

[02:53:33] Unknown:

Yeah, Brett. He didn't give me a chance, Brent,   to speak. He kicked me right off, but you know where he lives in Wisconsin.  

[02:53:42] Unknown:

Yeah. That's her that's her that's her little name was  

[02:53:46] Unknown:

my dad.  

[02:53:50] Unknown:

Does Fetzer live in Wisconsin?  

[02:53:53] Unknown:

Yep.  

[02:53:55] Unknown:

Okay.   Well, if Uncle Fetzer lives in Wisconsin,   how did he,   how did he escape that thirty million dollar,   judgment?   They've got against him for handing in his own ass in court   because of his,   book No One Died at Sandy Hook.   How did he get out from under that,  

[02:54:21] Unknown:

or did he make a deal? He isn't really out from under it, Paul. He,   he said that   he owned this   trailer, you know, like a mobile home, kind of a thing in a, like, you know, to get away by a lake or something.   And,   they weren't really using it, and he sold it. And he had to give his portion of the money. You know, he split it with his wife, but he had to give his portion of the money to, you know, the court,   because he sold it after that judgment.   And,   he,   you know, he's on Social Security and and a pension, I guess. And I don't know if that's,   you know, if they could take that. I forget what he said, but he he defends that.  



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He was also told not to produce the book anymore. If you go on on the publisher's website,   it's been pulled for   at least a year.   It's very hard to get a copy whether digital or otherwise. I do have a copy though, but   he he he lays out the evidence with logic and obviously other,   I guess you'd call it scientific evidence to some extent.   And then the history of   what was the school slash the building being done with prior to the incident.   I think he went back four or five years and basically,   the so called school wasn't used   for quite some time because it was   the population outgrew it, I believe, if I recall. And, of course, they built another school, and they just left it there.  

But, obviously, the mainstream media says, oh, the school's been in   usage since blah blah blah and, you know, this, that, and the other, and and everything else is history.   But it it's it's an interesting reading on the other   or nonetheless.  

[02:56:18] Unknown:

In the videos of Sandy Hook,   they had kids going out of the school and then they circled back into the school.   And then they were evacuating   and, you know,   it was a massive amount of kids compared to what was probably really well, and there wasn't anything really there. They were just there staging it.  

[02:56:42] Unknown:

Actors. Yeah.  

[02:56:45] Unknown:

And then you listen to the concert and the concert and the concert and what have you?  

[02:56:51] Unknown:

Brennan, after that, they went in and sing in the Super Bowl  

[02:56:56] Unknown:

in the halftime show. I think that was the firehouse Yeah. Yeah. Running around. The firehouse  

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next door.  

[02:57:09] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[02:57:10] Unknown:

It was right down the, alley or whatever the hell it was. Yeah. It was right next door to the firehouse. Yep.  

[02:57:21] Unknown:

Okay.  

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And it was a catered event.   It was catered.  

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Alright. Well,   in about two minutes, I'm going to take a stream down. So   anybody's got something to say, get on with it.  

[02:57:48] Unknown:

You sound you sounded like,   an SNL,   the, Italian   priest   just there.   I wanted to compliment you.  

[02:58:03] Unknown:

I did.  

[02:58:05] Unknown:

Okay. Yes. You did.  

[02:58:08] Unknown:

I forget his name. Father Guido Sarducci?  

[02:58:12] Unknown:

Yes. He sounded just like father Guido.  

[02:58:17] Unknown:

Kinda like Scarface.  

[02:58:19] Unknown:

Okay.  

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It   was a mess.  

[02:58:26] Unknown:

K. Fetzer lives in Oregon, Wisconsin.   Interesting.   Alright. Well,   father Guido Sarducci,   I am going to leave and get.   This has been the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales on eurofolkradio.com   and Global Voice Radio Network. Catch our website, thematrixdocs.com.   That is the matrixd0cs.com.   You can find,   links to the Eurofolk and Global Voice streams. You can find,   links to free conference call to join us live on the show, including the after discussion.   People are in here, like, most of the day.   Catch us here Monday through Saturday, 11AM to 1PM eastern, if not a little longer,   obviously, because it's, like, two minutes to two   or whatever.  

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Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.